IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-03-24

mgedmin	Neocognitron: I joined the channel too late to see your problem description	00:02
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mgedmin	:)	00:03
mgedmin	whoa, segfaul	00:03
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mgedmin	what os is this? 32 or 64 bit? what kernel version?	00:04
mgedmin	did you apply both sysctl workarounds? i.e. the vdso and the mmap_addr?	00:04
mgedmin	IIRC the second one resulted in some apps segfaulting	00:05
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mgedmin	Neocognitron: try sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 before you sb-login	00:05
mgedmin	what OSS canola?	00:06
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* mgedmin wants to go to Guademy...		00:07
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, new laptop?	00:09
timeless_mbp	yep	00:09
timeless_mbp	my dell will retire very soon	00:09
timeless_mbp	i'm setting up the last couple of things here	00:09
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GeneralAntilles	Haha. Leopard, finally, then. ;)	00:10
lbt	ooh, shiney: http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/03/canola-is-free.html	00:11
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timeless_mbp	yeah, corporate mac :)	00:17
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Neocognitron	i've got vm.vdso_enabled=0 and vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 set. In fact I couldn't install without those.	00:18
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gnuton	Hi	00:18
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, really? Interesting.	00:18
GeneralAntilles	Hey, gnuton!	00:18
lbt	hello gnuton :)	00:18
gnuton	hi guys! :	00:18
gnuton	lbt: are you david?	00:18
gnuton	David :D	00:18
lbt	:D	00:19
gnuton	great.. I'm looking for the closeEvent problem	00:19
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lbt	it's nasty	00:19
lbt	I posted an email earlier	00:19
lbt	did you see?	00:19
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gnuton	lbt: yes I did	00:19
Neocognitron	as to the previous questions, 32 bit Ubuntu	00:20
mgedmin	hmm	00:20
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lbt	OK	00:20
* mgedmin has 32-bit ubuntu		00:20
gnuton	lbt: have you received replies?	00:20
lbt	no :(	00:20
lbt	but it's monday :)	00:21
crashanddie	~ping	00:21
infobot	~pong	00:21
gnuton	lbt: I'm not sure.. but most probably there is something wrong in Qt or in the WM	00:21
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Neocognitron	kernel 2.6.27-11-generic	00:21
lbt	I think WM	00:21
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lbt	and I suspect it's not broken	00:21
lbt	just badly documented	00:21
lbt	I went into libosso	00:21
gnuton	lbt: Qt sets or at least it tries to set the WM_DELETE_WINDOW protocol	00:22
lbt	and found osso-rpc.c	00:22
gnuton	Are you sure that it's managed by libosso?	00:22
lbt	well, I think the osso-wm is not an Xlib WM :)	00:22
gnuton	ok :D	00:23
lbt	and osso-initialize() tells the WM to use DBus instead of WM_*	00:23
lbt	so it's freedesktop.org stuff	00:23
lbt	but I think there is a magic handshake	00:23
lbt	and we don't know it	00:24
lbt	I found com.nokia.hildon.hdwm.startupnotification	00:24
lbt	so my hunch (that's all it is) is that we are missing something like that	00:25
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lbt	i recall other non-gtk apps having similar problems	00:25
lbt	and things like X-Osso-service in .desktop files	00:26
gnuton	mmm....	00:26
lbt	Once I put that in, my app wouldn't even start!	00:26
lbt	until I added in the dbus-1 file...	00:26
lbt	so all just feelings and stuff at the moment	00:26
qwerty12_N800	Have you looked through hildon-desktop, when I was looking though it (for something else so I wasn't paying ATD to osso stuff), I'm pretty sure H-D is programed to do other stuff when finding x-osso-service in a desktop file	00:27
lbt	qwerty12_N800: it's a maze of twisty passages when you only have a laser beam for a torch!!!	00:27
lbt	I am looking there	00:27
qwerty12_N800	:)	00:28
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lbt	ideally I'd like Kimmo (?) to comment	00:29
lcuk	WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO THE LASER WITH YOUR REMAINING EYE!	00:29
lbt	he wrote most of it AFAICT	00:29
Neocognitron	I've never even heard of a segfault while compiling.	00:30
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lbt	lcuk: oh, I'm blind too - did I not mention that?	00:30
Neocognitron	That is normally reserved for fun with runtime.	00:30
gnuton	lbt: yes I think that Kimmo knows what we need... :D	00:30
lbt	so I think we've done the next best thing to solving the problem	00:30
lbt	find someone to blame :)	00:31
gnuton	ahah :D exactly! :D	00:32
crashanddie	After One Time Passwords, One Time Eye Authentication. Scanning burns out your first eye, authentication burns out the second one. Use your authentication wisely	00:32
lbt	gnuton: http://pastebin.com/d58d633c3	00:33
gnuton	lbt: Btw Qt sends the closeEvent only when qapplication_x11 receives a WM_DELETE_WINDOW atom...	00:34
crashanddie	AAAAAARRGGGH	00:34
crashanddie	QT	00:34
lbt	yes, I mentioned this in #qt	00:34
crashanddie	I die	00:34
lbt	and eventually we should go to QSession	00:34
gnuton	crashanddie: Do you prefer cocoa? :P	00:34
lbt	and add a HILDON_WS in there	00:34
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lbt	to add ossoConnection() or similar (as per that pastebin)	00:35
crashanddie	gnuton, never used cocoa to be honest, so can't judge	00:35
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crashanddie	gnuton, I've been trained to work with Qt, it's just I don't like it	00:35
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lbt	crashanddie probably doesn't like chips or bacon either	00:35
crashanddie	I love chips and bacon :)	00:36
lbt	sad, sad person	00:36
lbt	you can't	00:36
* lcuk likes some bits of qt and wonders if a new branch of widgets would work :)		00:36
crashanddie	chips dressed with vinegar, salt and pepper	00:36
lbt	they are reserved for Qt people	00:36
crashanddie	lbt, says who?	00:36
lbt	lcuk now has to become a Qt god to make up for all the bacon he's eaten	00:36
lbt	crashanddie: The Spaghetti Lord	00:37
lbt	anyhooo	00:37
lcuk	i have a whole project of q*, i did them years ago, i dont like its position personally	00:37
lcuk	i seem to like v* :)	00:37
crashanddie	lbt, keep asserting blasphemy like that and I'll be forced to trace you and kick you in the bollocks until they ressemble bacon	00:37
crashanddie	hmm... Human bacon	00:38
* crashanddie ponders...		00:38
lbt	don't tell me about blasphemy! I'll set his noodleness on you	00:38
lcuk	stop saying bacon! my irc looks like a blood bath	00:38
crashanddie	You can't touch me with noodles	00:38
crashanddie	I'm protected by the power of after eight!	00:38
lbt	noodles have a long reach	00:38
crashanddie	Subtle mint with chocolate extracts, and if you really want to push me, I'll have to invoke baileys!	00:39
lbt	now go read some gtk stuff until you feel better - I suggest libosso :)	00:39
lbt	I found a bottle of baileys last night	00:39
lcuk	did you give it back to her?	00:39
lbt	it's a sign	00:39
crashanddie	but to be honest, a chipmunk extinguisher doesn't qualify for olympic games in alternate universes nor does it in harry potter disguises	00:40
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lbt	are you trying to scare gnuton off again?	00:40
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crashanddie	and, as we all know, the most direct line between two entities is immensely disproportionate to the penguins requiring motherly care on a california highway patrol	00:41
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gnuton	:D	00:41
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lcuk	certainly not, gnuton hows qt on the whole doing	00:41
gnuton	hey lcuk! :D	00:42
crashanddie	anyway, I need to send teal'c through the chapa'hai	00:42
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lcuk	i read that as teal.c and wondered what functions it had	00:42
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crashanddie	I wonder why people would call their kids "Timothy"	00:43
crashanddie	it's like labeling the kid with weakness right from the start	00:43
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b-man	there are TWO b-mans!!!	00:44
lcuk	not agaiN!	00:45
lcuk	-cap	00:45
qwerty12_N800	Kill the fake! Shank or shoot him!	00:45
b-man	yup - me and b-man16	00:45
b-man	lol	00:45
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xnt	:P	00:46
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* qwerty12_N800 shoots xnt/b-man16 ;)		00:47
xnt	noooo	00:47
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* b-man16 cant be killed		00:48
qwerty12_N800	Bah. Time for the RPG.	00:48
b-man16	:P	00:48
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xnt	noooooo	00:51
xnt	:P	00:51
xnt	now there a copy of me :P	00:51
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xnt	yay	00:52
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xnt	nooooooooooo :P	00:55
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lcuk	BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!	00:56
xnt	:P	00:56
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xnt	wtf?	00:56
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lcuk	wont you disappear up your own ass?	00:57
xnt	:P	00:57
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xnt	:P	00:59
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b-man\|real	hehe	01:03
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gnuton	night GuyS!	01:05
xnt\|nexuiz	gnuton: bye	01:05
lcuk	gnite gnuton \o happy hacking	01:05
gnuton	gNite lcuk, xnt\|nexuiz! :D	01:05
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lbt	lcuk: did you see : http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/03/canola-is-free.html	01:09
lcuk	yes i did!	01:09
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timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: wow, virtualbox just worked w/ mer :)	01:20
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xnt`	hehe	01:21
b-man	:)	01:22
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b-man	dpkg-reconfigure locales?	01:33
timeless_mbp	i don't think so	01:34
b-man	hmm	01:35
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b-man	:P	01:36
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timeless_mbp	so, i set LC_ALL to en_US	01:47
timeless_mbp	and now i have no strings :(	01:48
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timeless_mbp	ah, setting LANG works a lot better :)	01:49
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timeless_mbp	actually, no	01:50
timeless_mbp	:(	01:50
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timeless_mbp	right, LC_ALL=en_US.utf8	02:11
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GeneralAntilles	Did we ever decide on a removal solution?	02:14
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GeneralAntilles	Why wasn't dpkg-divert an option?	02:14
timeless_mbp	it's a pretty bad option	02:14
timeless_mbp	jeremiah was supposed to look at some a week ago	02:14
timeless_mbp	he hasn't gotten back to me	02:14
timeless_mbp	i think triggers sounded like it might be promising	02:15
timeless_mbp	the problem w/ dpkg-divert is that it needs to be very automatic	02:15
timeless_mbp	and it will fail in all sorts of interesting ways	02:15
timeless_mbp	e.g. if you install my package before one of the things i've translated	02:15
timeless_mbp	because i can't know the name of the things i've translated	02:15
timeless_mbp	well, i can guess, but sometimes i'm wrong	02:16
timeless_mbp	since an app can always randomly change its packaging scheme	02:16
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timeless_mbp	andre__: do you file bugs against midori?	02:35
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xnt\|clone	~burn himself	02:50
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b-man	XD	02:50
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xnt\|real	:P	02:53
xnt\|clone	XD	02:54
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timeless_mbp	anyone alive?	03:19
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GeneralAntilles	Sorry, everybody's undead.	03:24
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faik	hello, is there someone to talk about GSoC projects?	03:50
b-man	ask z4chh ;)	03:50
faik	I am interested in "Videoconference environment based on BRisa UPnP" project	03:51
faik	I used ti work on similar project	03:52
z4chh	im a student bman ;p	03:52
z4chh	faik, i recommend trying to talk to the mentor for this project	03:53
faik	yes :)	03:53
z4chh	leandro, i think it is	03:54
faik	yes, I saw his/her name, and hope to find him here :)	03:55
faik	joke was good :D	03:55
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z4chh	faik_, just hang around, you'll probablt catch him	04:19
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faik_	are you going to apply?	04:20
faik_	@z4chh	04:21
z4chh	yes sir i am	04:21
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faik_	project? own idea?	04:22
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z4chh	faik_, it is not on the project list..so i suppose own idea ;P	04:23
faik_	nice	04:24
faik_	hope you will pass	04:24
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z4chh	have you participated in gsoc before?	04:26
faik_	no	04:26
faik_	I think that is - for me	04:27
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* timeless_mbp hates po files		04:52
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Pavlov	hm	05:17
tang_	is liblocation only provided binary?	05:19
Pavlov	i think so	05:19
Pavlov	unfortunately, since it is hard to debug;/	05:21
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tang_	i know it provides x86 binary,arm binary,it there mips binary	05:23
tang_	i try fennec1.0b1,error log said i need liblocation.it is so bad to hear no liblocation src	05:24
tang_	hard to debug,also no way to port	05:24
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GeneralAntilles	Fennec depends on liblocation?	05:26
GeneralAntilles	Huh	05:26
Pavlov	for geolocation stuff	05:26
GeneralAntilles	Pavlov, if you've got a justification for getting it openned (for Fennec, for instance), put a bug up on b.m.o	05:27
GeneralAntilles	(maemo.org)	05:27
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GeneralAntilles	I've heard more than a few "valid" (i.e., not just "open it because we're zealots and we say so") justifications for having it open, and Nokia tends to respond well to those (if not always rapidly).	05:27
Pavlov	tang_: if you build without liblocation it should just disable geolocation support	05:29
Pavlov	(at least via the gps)	05:29
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tang_	pavlov:i run fennec like this xulrunner ./application.ini	05:33
Pavlov	you can	05:33
Pavlov	'fennec' should also work	05:33
tang_	error log:error loading shared librayies	05:33
Pavlov	yeah it links against liblocation	05:33
Pavlov	you'd have to rebuild without it;/	05:33
* lpotter thinks "open it because we're zealots and we say so" is a valid reason...		05:33
tang_	run-mozilla.sh fennec	05:34
Pavlov	tang_: i can ask one of my guys if we can dynamically load it	05:34
GeneralAntilles	lpotter, unfortunately it's not very effective with Nokia's management.	05:34
tang_	error log:couldnt load xpcom	05:34
GeneralAntilles	Give them a business reason, though, and you're golden.	05:34
tang_	it fennec1.0beta	05:34
tang_	fenneca3 is ok to run	05:36
tang_	Pavlov:i try do compile again, thanks for help	05:38
Pavlov	a3 didn't have geolocation i think	05:38
Pavlov	wait, we didn't do a3	05:38
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RST38h	It is unimaginable how many little "helpful" dingleberries a manufacturer installs nowadays	06:42
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derkaiser	Is anyone here interested in "smart news reader on N800"? I once proposed it on the list, but still have not found a mentor yet.	06:57
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rockydd	I copied my private key to my N810: /home/user/.ssh/ , but everytime I run ssh REMOTEHOST , it request the passphrase. but that is not requested in other machine. and I can't remember the passphrase	07:45
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Macer	good evening	08:00
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zakkm	Macer: Evening? where in the world do you live? :p	08:03
Macer	chicago	08:03
Macer	it's 1am here :)	08:03
zakkm	lol	08:04
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qgil	about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3949 - can someone help telling me where exactly in .modest can I find the cached emails?	08:21
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zakkm	qgil: try du -h in that folder	08:25
zakkm	it should give you filesizes	08:25
zakkm	cached emails would probably be biggest filesize folder :P	08:25
qgil	thanks zakkm, getting there...	08:29
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qgil	I'm stuck in a cryptic /cache subdir with subfolders 04, 05, 17, 24, 25, 28, 38... How am I supposed to find whether the 5 emails I have deleted are cached or not? :)	08:34
zakkm	no idea	08:35
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zakkm	it was just a guess :p	08:35
zakkm	qgil:sorry	08:35
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zakkm	qgil : wish i knew	08:39
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x29a	qgil: do you know some content of the emails?	08:40
x29a	if yes, you could do a little recoursive bashscript with find, cat, grep	08:40
* StsN800 ponders the half snow storm outside		08:43
qgil	x29, it's easy to know a string in an email deleted, yes - but I don't know how to use find, cat, grep - I'm just a tester willing to help :)	08:45
x29a	StsN800: good morning, one question: what is the repository called that gets added when installing the installer for mer?	08:45
x29a	your own	08:45
StsN800	grep -r "string" cachedir	08:46
StsN800	x29a, tspre.org	08:46
qgil	StsN800: that commend in the cache folder and it will scan the subfolders?	08:46
x29a	thanks	08:46
x29a	sweet, didnt know grep could do -r	08:46
StsN800	qgil, yeah, recursive	08:47
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shishirmk	hi guys i want to work in one of the maemo projects for gsoc	08:51
shishirmk	i know good amount of c++ i can learn python and have good amount of computer basics knowledge	08:51
shishirmk	can you suggest some project?	08:52
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hhahlo	morning, how to get dpkg list all installed packages?	09:01
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Stskeeps	dpkg -l	09:03
Stskeeps	this may include non-purged packages	09:03
wnd	I prefer "dpkg --get-selections" (\| grep -v deinstall)	09:04
* Stskeeps notes that headlines online as "it's going to be felt like -15 C today" is not motivating one to go to work.		09:05
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qgil	Stskeeps: sorry for the basic question: what is the syntax for cachedir? I get either "No such file or directory" or [nothing]	09:15
Pavlov	mm	09:16
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x29a	qgil: the name of the directory	09:24
qgil	x29a: grep -r "wowway" cache = No such file or directory	09:28
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x29a	ls -la cache does show the directory tho?	09:29
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x29a	qgil: --^	09:31
StsN801	grep -r term ~/.modest/cache	09:33
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L0cutus	'giorno	09:42
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qgil	StsN801: I wanted to do this, how am I supposed to type the "~" in osso-xterm?	09:44
x29a	StsN801: i now took the installing instructions from the 0.9 release and put them in the docu-install article, how will people know that they should edit there?	09:45
x29a	qgil: fn+x	09:45
x29a	or are you on N800?	09:45
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qgil	x29a: I can select the whole patch but now it's selected... how do I paste with osso-xterm? (man, how embvarrassing to ask these questions publicly)	09:56
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qgil	the whole path, I mean	09:56
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qgil	AH, GOT IT	09:56
qgil	finally	09:56
x29a	congrats	09:57
qgil	so I can reproduce in Fremantle, mission completed	09:57
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Stskeeps	qgil: re embarassing public, it took me a year to realize how to disable flash in the browser through the interface :)	10:00
Stskeeps	some things just take time :P	10:00
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herzi	qgil: ping	10:04
herzi	qgil: is there a Maemo booth for Linuxtag planned?	10:04
herzi	if not, I could list Maemo in the gnome project and apply for a little more space, the call for projects ends March 31st	10:05
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Macer	ugh	10:09
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Pinger	Hi, bro. I try to install fremantle sdk in Scratchbox, but i got this message "Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources	10:10
Pinger	302 Found [IP: 193.184.164.146 80]	10:10
Pinger	Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages	10:10
Pinger	302 Found [IP: 193.184.164.146 80]" when i executed 'apt-get update'	10:10
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Stskeeps	Pinger: behind a proxy?	10:12
Pinger	oh, what's the address?	10:13
Stskeeps	i'm personally wondering why you're getting a elisa .fi address from a chinese address	10:14
Pinger	what do i do, how can get a chinese address?	10:17
Stskeeps	well what is happening is that something along the way is redirecting your http request	10:18
Stskeeps	and sending a 302 found, which apt cannot handle	10:18
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Pinger	i cannot use the apt-get command	10:19
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timelE61i	qgil: strace/grep :)	10:25
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timeless_mbp	193.184.164.146 is an akamai mirror	10:31
Stskeeps	weird that he gets 302 Foudn from it then. well, ok, not so much if it's akamai :P	10:31
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timeless_mbp	akamai's web servers are strange, try telnet 193.184.164.146 80 ; GET / HTTP/1.0	10:31
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timeless_mbp	not wierd really	10:32
Stskeeps	heh, interesting that canola went for gplv3	10:32
* Stskeeps can see positive sides to that, such as enforcing open devices with canola on it		10:33
timeless_mbp	i think he might need an extra / somewhere	10:33
timeless_mbp	e.g. if i use /pool i get a 302 for /pool/	10:33
Stskeeps	Pinger: do you use the script?	10:34
timeless_mbp	qgil: so um, can you get me a list of projects for which you want products in bugzilla?	10:35
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:55
Stskeeps	morning jaffa	10:55
JamieBennett	Morning Jaffa	10:55
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Stskeeps	x29a: good job on /Installation	11:00
x29a	thanks	11:00
* Stskeeps boots up inkscape		11:03
b0unc3	good morning	11:06
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qgil	http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/step-up/ getting 2 thumbs down in maemo.org - intriguing	11:22
qgil	maybe it's because the blog posts has that evil technology called Flash?	11:23
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qgil	timeless: it's not about the list of products "I" want, but about the projects wiling to use bugs.maemo.org and whether we-the-community make some kind of policy about that for software in extras	11:24
Stskeeps	hehe.. first thing we got taught on UI design courses was that it is good to have "alive" prototypes to be able to test/use as reference/play with, and flash is pretty much the only one that is good for easy and rapid prototyping :), don't think the OSS community has any good alternatives in that area	11:24
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timelE61i	qgil: alright, so if you have bugs you want to file, contact the maintainers and offer them products in bugzilla	11:26
qgil	timelE61i: sounds reasonable	11:28
qgil	Stskeeps: an alternative to Flash in the OSS community is to hack an alpha and come up with a screencast ;)	11:29
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timelE61i	a screencast using flash?	11:31
hhahlo	Is it this which replaced tux? http://www.flickr.com/photos/h_u_p/3363810546/	11:33
Stskeeps	hhahlo: now linux will be forever identified with satanism (devil, well, tasmanian devil) and communism. always good. :P	11:33
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* Stskeeps hugs the freebsd mascot.		11:34
hhahlo	Stskeeps: like bsd has	11:34
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Stskeeps	yeah, except that tux replacement doesn't look directly friendly	11:34
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hhahlo	btw is diablo ever going to get newer kernel or is it like debian systems that no newer kernels?	11:36
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Stskeeps	hhahlo: i think it's really up to community	11:37
Stskeeps	we can get 2.6.28 with a bit of work really	11:37
hhahlo	that would be good	11:37
Stskeeps	actually, we've been able to for ages, even with wifi, but noone has bothered that much	11:37
Stskeeps	there's a GSoC project for it as well	11:37
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Pinger	Stskeeps: i try to 'export http_proxy=202.158.161.39:9203' in scratchbox, but Failed.	11:38
Pinger	can you give me a http_proxy?	11:38
Stskeeps	Pinger: my question was if you used the installation script?	11:38
Pinger	what's script?	11:39
Stskeeps	the .sh that would install the SDK for you	11:39
Stskeeps	or if you did it manually	11:39
Pinger	manually	11:39
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Stskeeps	ok, any reason why? non-Debian/Ubuntu?	11:39
Pinger	i didn't use script	11:40
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Pinger	i use Debian lenny	11:40
Stskeeps	ok, i would recommend you to use the installation scripts included, they'll set up the target correctly	11:40
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Pinger	but my scratchbox dir in /home/pinger/scratchbox	11:42
Stskeeps	mm	11:42
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Stskeeps	can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?	11:42
Pinger	deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free	11:44
Pinger	deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free	11:44
Pinger	deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free	11:44
Pinger	deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free	11:44
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Stskeeps	looks fine to me	11:45
Stskeeps	check your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf and so forth matches eachother	11:45
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Pinger	Stskeeps: it works now, i changed the http_proxy in scratchbox	11:48
Stskeeps	k	11:49
Stskeeps	good	11:49
Pinger	i used 'export http_proxy=http://128.112.139.97:3127', this address is ok.	11:49
Pinger	thanks for your time, thank you, thank you very much.	11:49
Stskeeps	np	11:50
Stskeeps	i'm not entirely sure why your problem happens but it looks like you solved it by setting a http proxy to a open proxy or something :)	11:51
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x29a	Pinger: is this your home connection that you are using?	11:54
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Pinger	no, i'm company	11:56
Pinger	what's wrong	11:57
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florian	good morning	12:06
Stskeeps	morning	12:07
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Pinger	Stskeeps: Bye, i wanna to go home.	12:22
Stskeeps	cya	12:22
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faik_	hello, can I walk with someone about GSoC=	12:46
faik_	= -> ?	12:46
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X-Fade	faik_: I guess you have seen http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 ?	12:47
faik_	yes	12:48
faik_	I want to talk about one of project ideas	12:48
X-Fade	faik_: Which one? We might to be able to figure out who you would need to talk to..	12:49
kleist_	.	12:50
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faik_	It's one about videoconference, possible mentor leandro	12:51
faik_	I have some work on similar project	12:51
faik_	developing client and server side	12:51
faik_	using video, audio and whiteboard to communicate between students and profesors	12:53
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X-Fade	~seen leandroal	12:54
infobot	leandroal <n=leandro@200.223.178.254> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 11h 6m 17s ago, saying: 'qwerty12_N800, cool! :)'.	12:54
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X-Fade	Hmm he doesn't seem to be here much.	12:54
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faik_	do you know his e-mail address or other way to communicate	12:56
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VDVsx	morning	13:10
Stskeeps	morning	13:10
VDVsx	faik_, do you already have leandro's contact ?	13:13
faik_	yes, X-Fade provided me. tnx	13:14
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thopiekar	hi	14:07
*** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| The Maemo community is looking for talent students -> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009"		14:08
Stskeeps	talented	14:08
VDVsx	ups	14:08
*** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| The Maemo community is looking for talented students -> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009"		14:08
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thopiekar	at least canola is oss !	14:14
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lcuk	god i hate vnc sometimes	14:44
* lcuk kicks it		14:44
RST38h	moo lcuk	14:45
RST38h	if you kick it hard enough it will die.	14:45
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Stskeeps	lo RST38h	14:45
lcuk	RST38h, if i had long enough legs i would kick it properly	14:46
RST38h	"A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours bins."	14:46
RST38h	Fun	14:46
lcuk	the vnc protocol doesn't support violence	14:46
RST38h	Heya Sts	14:46
* lcuk reports RST38h		14:47
RST38h	lcuk: That is an obvious oversight	14:47
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* lcuk checks \\RST38h\c$\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-839522115-1958367476-725345543-1003		14:47
lardman	the wonders of Windows directory naming :p	14:48
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lcuk	yeah, i think the worst was the spaces in system paths	14:49
lcuk	cured now but wtf were they thinking	14:49
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* RST38h has been configuring the new laptop for the last day or so, almost got it under control		14:50
lcuk	which os have you chosen?	14:51
RST38h	It came with XP.	14:51
RST38h	Will put Ubuntu on it a bit later today if I get time	14:51
lcuk	xp is easy to wrangle	14:51
RST38h	Not if you have got dozens (!) of apps manufacturer installed	14:51
RST38h	But Symantec is gone now and I even fixed the registry it left broken	14:52
lcuk	ahhh norton antivirus trialware, they give you free viruses for a couple of months	14:52
RST38h	All those helpful Intel utils are gone too	14:52
lcuk	when traacys machine turned into a super system norton had a fit, it took more effort to get that removed than setting up the rest of it	14:52
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lcuk	dont u need those intel utilities though	14:53
RST38h	no	14:55
RST38h	useless crap	14:55
RST38h	also "converted" office trial =)	14:55
lcuk	not even the little one that monitors for microcode updates and reenvigorates your cpu in times of need	14:55
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lcuk	RST38h, you can be 98.99999997465% sure you need that monitor	14:56
RST38h	I havent got that one	14:57
lcuk	oh my, then you will have a problem - as long as you don't use your machine for production stuff though no1 will notice	14:58
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aquatix	lcuk: a monitor emulating the P90 bug?	15:02
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Stskeeps	morning timsamoff	15:14
timsamoff	Hey hey hey.	15:14
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GeneralAntilles	oh god	15:22
timelE61i	sO...	15:22
GeneralAntilles	timsamoff, we have a problem. :(	15:22
timelE61i	Can someone explain how LC_TIME should work?	15:22
GeneralAntilles	timsamoff, glaubert seems to have used Arial for the website graphics. . . . :(	15:22
timelE61i	There's an assumption that lang controls the user facing strings	15:22
timelE61i	And lc_* control formatting	15:23
timsamoff	GeneralAntilles: Hmmm...	15:23
timsamoff	But, in web design, it's pretty typical -- and accepted.	15:23
timsamoff	Maybe not in the "open" world, though, eh?	15:23
timelE61i	However, it seems that something (probably posix) mixed these two when it defined lc_time	15:23
GeneralAntilles	It's fake Helvetica from Microsoft, Inc.	15:23
GeneralAntilles	Evil.	15:23
timelE61i	The font is better	15:24
timsamoff	Right, but... The web sort of forced us into using it. Unfortunately.	15:24
GeneralAntilles	timsamoff, not in our graphics.	15:24
timelE61i	it's part of "core fonts for the web"	15:24
timsamoff	But, one must design for the lowest common denominator.	15:24
timsamoff	Everyone has Arial, so that is what we use.	15:24
GeneralAntilles	:shudder:	15:24
timsamoff	There's hardly a way to get around it -- unless we make maemo.org a Flahs site. :p	15:24
timsamoff	*Flash	15:25
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timelE61i	timsamoff: like ovi?	15:25
timelE61i	Awesome	15:25
timsamoff	;)	15:25
timelE61i	11 flash apps per page	15:25
timsamoff	Gotta love it.	15:25
timsamoff	register t1t2t3	15:26
timsamoff	^ Funny.	15:26
timsamoff	Blech. I'm typing in multiple dialogs.	15:26
* timsamoff is so sleepy this morning.		15:27
* RST38h queues web developers using flash for extermination		15:27
timsamoff	RST38h: Sorry, dude... It makes some of us money.	15:28
timelE61i	tAke ovi's first	15:28
timelE61i	Please	15:28
timsamoff	My first Flash site was in 1998. Wow.	15:29
timsamoff	It was hot too.	15:29
RST38h	timsamoff: that is the only way! =)	15:29
* timsamoff should put that old site back up. ActionScript 1 doing all sorts of things that people struggle with today with AS3!		15:29
* GeneralAntilles tries installing scratchbox again.		15:29
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* Stskeeps is considering OpenSUSE Build Service		15:30
timsamoff	Stskeeps: I LOVE that idea. Jerimiah is on to something.	15:31
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timsamoff	*Jeremiah	15:31
Stskeeps	timsamoff: we're investigating it for mer at the moment	15:31
Stskeeps	so we have a playground for it	15:31
timsamoff	Coolness. :)	15:31
Stskeeps	their ARM emulation and cross-compilation is light years ahead of maemo & scratchbox (1 and 2), to be honest	15:32
timsamoff	I wish OpenSuse had more exposure, really.	15:32
timsamoff	But, maybe Mer will help. ;)	15:32
* RST38h wonders how many of timsamoff's flash sites work on a tablet		15:33
Stskeeps	timsamoff: people should be threatened of opensuse on arm, really :)	15:33
timsamoff	RST38h: Try this: http://samoff.com/ps/	15:34
RST38h	Sts: How did SUSE cross paths with ARM, anyway? I thought they were a PC distro?	15:34
Stskeeps	RST38h: no clue, but they did a side project	15:34
timsamoff	Stskeeps: Why is that?	15:34
RST38h	timsamoff: how do I click through it so that it ends quicker? =)	15:34
Stskeeps	timsamoff: if they suddenly can put together arbitary distributions for arm hardware and custom-compile them within a couple of days..	15:35
RST38h	(that is really the only important thing about flash based trainings)	15:35
timsamoff	RST38h: Ha! :D	15:35
RST38h	Sts: Weird.	15:35
timsamoff	Stskeeps: Yeah, but...	15:35
RST38h	timsamoff: Well, let us just say that plain HTML with a table of contents would probably do a better job	15:36
timsamoff	RST38h: Not according to the client. ;)	15:36
RST38h	timsamoff: Yea, I know =(	15:36
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lopz	hi	15:44
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Stskeeps	timsamoff: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build#Scenarios - the scenarios we hope to support	15:59
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timsamoff	I like it/them.	16:01
Stskeeps	and that's how easy it should be really. if it builds on x86 sanely, it should cross-compile for armel too and work in exact same manner	16:01
Stskeeps	:P	16:02
lcuk	Stskeeps, "should" is a very key phrase, try it out and see how it works then scaleup if its comfy	16:05
timsamoff	Stskeeps: Are you guys working on this project full-time or something?	16:05
Stskeeps	timsamoff: nah, just when we have time i guess	16:05
timsamoff	Stskeeps: Well, it's impressive. You have created so much documentation. I love it.	16:06
lcuk	timsamoff, dont believe him, even I think he has early starts and late nights ;)	16:06
timsamoff	lcuk: Don't we all? ;)	16:06
* timsamoff thinks he is procrastinating with reading all of the Mer docs. :p		16:06
* timsamoff should probably get to work, but...		16:06
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derkaiser	hello all, is there anyone interested in the "Smart News Reader" on the GSOC project list?I have not found a mentor yet~	16:23
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X-Fade	VDVsx: Are you the king of GSOC here? :)	16:26
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VDVsx	derkaiser, I don't have enough machine learning knowledge in order to help you, but I will send you a possible mentor contact in pm	16:31
VDVsx	X-Fade, lol, I'm not a king :P	16:31
derkaiser	ok, thanks~actually it may much more be linked to context-aware and semantic. machine learning algorithm will not be used too much~	16:32
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derf	There isn't a lot of room to do much machine learning on a tablet.	16:33
derkaiser	yes , I know.so i don't want to do so much complex ML algorithm on tablet	16:33
derkaiser	More works would be done in context-aware and semantic.	16:34
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lcuk	X-Fade, :D thought it mightv been you	16:35
X-Fade	lcuk: Let's say that it was caused by a lack of sleep..	16:35
derkaiser	I hope this work can make some contributions in implementing a context-aware middleware and a tiny semantic engine on tablet. Just a experiment project. Test how maemo can be smart~	16:36
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lfelipe	derkaiser: cool	16:36
lcuk	derkaiser, maemo will become skynet?	16:37
* lcuk loves the idea		16:37
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derkaiser	Excuse me , but what is skynet? I have no idea about it...	16:39
lcuk	derkaiser, :) terminator movie series, intelligent robots taking over the world and destroying all humans, you know day to day normal stuff	16:40
X-Fade	derkaiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)	16:40
derkaiser	3x~I also find it~:)	16:40
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X-Fade	New Terminator movie will come out soon btw ;)	16:41
derkaiser	It's really cool. I think those mobile device should be smart enough to improve our quality of life in future pervasive environment. But they also should be under control, I believe.	16:42
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derkaiser	is there any chinese here?	16:45
Stskeeps	saw one earlier	16:45
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lcuk	X-Fade, more interested in the new star trek movie	16:47
X-Fade	lcuk: Yeah, me too.	16:48
lcuk	the enterprise looks so big on earth :O	16:49
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Sho_	lcuk: which is a canon violation! ;)	17:05
lcuk	yes i thought all enterprise models were built in spacedock, it seems odd that sam beckets enterprise started in space and yet when kirk comes around they bring it back down to earth	17:06
Sho_	lcuk: well plus it was said before that it was built in the "san francisco orbital fleet yards"	17:07
Sho_	and now they build it on the ground in iowa ..	17:07
lcuk	swamp gas	17:07
Sho_	but hey, it can hardly be worse than "Nemesis" ..	17:10
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thopiekar	why does downloading the armel rootsrap (maemo) fais to download with the maemo-sdk installer	17:56
thopiekar	I managed to create a i386-chroot and installed sb1..	17:56
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thopiekar	downloading the maemo5 rootstrap is working...	18:02
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thopiekar	just maemo 4.1 doesn't	18:02
thopiekar	:\|	18:02
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thopiekar	hmm it seems that downloading works just for the first time..	18:09
thopiekar	ok works now after removing the old and uncompleted files at /chroot/scratchbox/users/thopiekar/home/thopiekar	18:11
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fireun	http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/in-season-food-app-for-locavores-iphones.php	19:21
fireun	wow, thats neat	19:21
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keesj	fireun: indeed a nice idea	19:31
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fireun	I wonder where they get their data	19:35
fireun	or if its just hardcoded for times of the year	19:35
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Macer	well... xfering around 500G over 100mbit	20:16
Macer	fun fun	20:16
Stskeeps	again?	20:17
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Macer	again? :)	20:21
Macer	oh.. before it was usb2 drives.. i'm actually just moving a ton of stuff over to my popcornhour	20:21
Macer	i am going to give this one to my gf and get an a-110	20:21
Macer	this one has a 750G drive in it.. figured i'd get an a110 and put a 1.5TB drive in it	20:22
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v6sa	Hi	20:22
v6sa	any mentors here?	20:22
Stskeeps	possibly	20:22
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lcuk	possibly	20:23
v6sa	Students who want to participate are expected to have those Nokia internet tablets?	20:24
Macer	is this how the freemasons started?	20:24
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v6sa	I am talking about the GSoC	20:24
VDVsx	v6sa, no	20:24
lcuk	v6sa, since maemo is oriented around the nokia internet tablets i would think it would make sense	20:24
v6sa	haha two contradicting answers..	20:24
v6sa	so?	20:24
lcuk	obviously not lol	20:25
v6sa	but how are they going to test it? only on PC in some emulated environment?	20:25
lcuk	VDVsx, how can people work on maemo device code without testing	20:25
VDVsx	v6sa, we have a powerful SDK	20:25
VDVsx	:P	20:25
VDVsx	lcuk, depends on the project	20:26
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Stskeeps	VDVsx: any kind of serious development in sdk is kinda weird :P	20:26
lcuk	VDVsx, good point but without some sort of context the end result isnt gonna be too helpful	20:27
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VDVsx	lcuk, I know, but we dunno if we can get some sponsorship to offer devices to the students,	20:29
Stskeeps	in worst case scenario they can probably develop in a mer vmdk ;)	20:29
v6sa	But what am I supposed to write to application paper when I don't have a Maemo based internet tablet?	20:30
v6sa	Meaning that I have no experience with those machines	20:30
v6sa	I know what they are and what kind of software they run..	20:30
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VDVsx	v6sa, programming and some linux experience is enough for some projects, but it all depends on the project requirements	20:32
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_berto_	"Last.fm Radio will soon require a subscription of €3.00 per month" http://blog.last.fm/2009/03/24/lastfm-radio-announcement	20:58
_berto_	:(	20:58
Stskeeps	!	20:58
Stskeeps	then again	20:59
Stskeeps	if it gives access my loved tracks, my radio station, etc	20:59
Stskeeps	then i'm so up for it.	20:59
Stskeeps	for -just- 3 eur	21:00
bjv	damn, wish i had some bt gps	21:00
_berto_	well, i'm already a subscriber	21:00
bjv	apparently mm rules on 770 2008HE	21:00
_berto_	but there's a lot of users who won't pay that	21:00
bjv	instead all i see is crappy microB	21:00
Robot101	Stskeeps: I actually read it and thought, hrm I guess I use adblock and I always use a client and not the website, so I should probably subscribe :)	21:01
Stskeeps	Robot101: i have been considering to subscribe for quite a while after i got a taste of "My loved tracks"	21:01
Stskeeps	and the fact i can legally take my mp3 collection along on last.fm through my library	21:01
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RST38h	b-b-bback	21:05
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timelE61i	bJv: what's your beef?	21:06
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jpt9	Hey.	21:08
jpt9	Has anyone tried the Brando Mini Bluetooth Keyboard (here: http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00791&cat_id=034&dept_id=015 ) before?	21:08
jpt9	I'm thinking of getting one for my 770.	21:08
bjv	timelE61i: microB cant really function on only 64MB ram	21:08
jpt9	(There was an earlier, identically-named Bluetooth keyboard from Brando earlier, which is all I can find reviews of...)	21:08
Stskeeps	bjv: 2008HE is a bit of a ram taker, too	21:08
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bjv	Stskeeps: ive shut down alot of stuff like the media crawler	21:09
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bjv	right now im looking at tear, considering un-installing the stock browser	21:09
qwerty12_N800	bjv: if it's any consolation, you don't get major improvements on a n8x0	21:09
timelE61i	bJv: so...	21:09
timelE61i	You're not being fair	21:10
bjv	and maybe downgrading osso-xterm to an older version.	21:10
timelE61i	Microb isn't given 64mb of ram	21:10
timelE61i	The os/platform eats a huge chunk of that	21:10
bjv	timelE61i: imma try tear/webkit, then try microB without the realmedia plugin	21:11
timelE61i	realmedia ??	21:11
timelE61i	If you mean the default plugin, the description is to make web sites happy	21:11
* Stskeeps has a realmedia "default media" plugin too		21:11
Stskeeps	ah	21:12
timelE61i	same reason ie used to have mozilla in the ua..	21:12
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timelE61i	out of curiosity.... Do you use any home applets?	21:18
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JamieBennett	I have also volunteered to help out with the website	21:21
JamieBennett	doh wrong chat window :D	21:22
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RST38h	s/finall/finally	21:41
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joyrider	where can i get a-gps for the n810 from ? i tried the nokia betalabs .install file but it says it can't find packet agps-ui	21:44
lcuk	joyrider, i think its available from standard maemo extras repo	21:45
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lcuk	RST38h, have you left the multimedia buttons	21:45
joyrider	hmm weird don't see it listed in package manager	21:45
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qwerty12_N800	joyrider: it's available from application manager if you have the nokia repos enabled (and they should be by default)	21:45
joyrider	yeah i might have messed that up by going to gronmayer site	21:46
joyrider	lemme check if they are enabled	21:46
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lcuk	hahaha http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2379/84094790.jpg	21:51
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Stskeeps	http://www.pocketables.net/2008/11/mintpass-unveil.html <- neato	21:55
lcuk	Stskeeps, thats extremely nice	21:58
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joyrider	ah figured out the problem, the repos on the gronmayer's repos site where set to chinook instead of diablo changed it and it's availible now	22:00
aquatix	Stskeeps: that's rather cheap too	22:00
fireun	windows ce, what a mistake	22:00
Stskeeps	now if it is hackable...	22:00
Stskeeps	:P	22:00
lcuk	it already looks like its runnin liqbase :D	22:00
keesj	320x240..	22:00
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Stskeeps	still	22:01
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Stskeeps	i could find uses for it	22:01
lcuk	its tiny though keesj, just to keep a few around to just mess with	22:01
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keesj	at such a privce I would pics some ramdom hackable personal navigation device:p	22:02
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fireun	what distinguishes it from all the others?	22:02
keesj	liqbase is better anyway	22:02
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fireun	might as well get a DS	22:02
keesj	indeed DS...	22:03
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lcuk	what a damned fine idea	22:03
lcuk	anyone know if ds supports xv ;) :D	22:03
keesj	:P	22:03
aquatix	:)	22:03
keesj	it doesn need X and now big screen so things must be just fine	22:04
fireun	like what?	22:04
fireun	hmm	22:04
fireun	lag	22:04
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lcuk	keesj, i need yuv at this point though	22:10
* lcuk puts liqbase on a kindle		22:10
aquatix	heh, interesting	22:11
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bjv	well that was pretty hacky.	22:12
bjv	libwebkit depends on libglib2 osso10 build	22:13
bjv	which is not on chinook.	22:13
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bjv	so we --ignored-dependencies, and regressed through old versions until we got one that didnt immediatly crash.	22:13
Stskeeps	770's are funny :P	22:15
joyrider	how long does searching for satelites take generally	22:17
lcuk	Stskeeps, funny haha, or funny i'm sure i had an arm there before	22:17
lcuk	joyrider, depends on many things	22:17
lcuk	clear view of a clear sky is best	22:17
lcuk	i once left mine trying to lock all afternoon	22:18
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lcuk	when i came back popped the battery and tried again from same location it found em almost instantly	22:18
joyrider	hmm so it doesn't work inside the house then	22:18
joyrider	hmm weird :)	22:18
lcuk	can you see the sky from where your nokia is	22:18
Stskeeps	the GPS only works when there's a full moon and your guardian cheese is out to get aired.	22:18
lcuk	and i dont mean a tiny sliver if you crane your neck	22:18
joyrider	i can see the sky yes	22:19
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lcuk	Heman has the right idea: "as i hold aloft my magic n810 and say 'By the power of greyskull'	22:19
lcuk	he-man	22:19
joyrider	according to maemo mapper it found 11 satellites but no fix	22:19
lcuk	is it cloudy	22:19
joyrider	can't see it's too dark :)	22:19
lcuk	oh	22:19
lcuk	theres your problem	22:20
lcuk	it only works in the daytime	22:20
joyrider	for real ?	22:20
lcuk	you have to be able to SEE the sky	22:20
lcuk	if you can't see it how do you expect the nokia	22:20
lcuk	what signal strength are those sats	22:20
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joyrider	if you mean those bars with a number above them : 23/24 and 26	22:21
lcuk	the number is its ID i think, are the bars only small	22:22
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lcuk	im joking about the nighttime thing btw	22:22
joyrider	ah thought so :p	22:22
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joyrider	well i'm not certain how long they should be it's first time i tried the gps (again) since i couldn't get it to get a fix earlier tries	22:22
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joyrider	oh it just got a fix	22:26
joyrider	hell yeah	22:26
joyrider	signal quality SPS (what does sps stand for ?)	22:26
joyrider	fix quality i mean	22:26
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lcuk	dunno, but you got a fix!	22:27
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joyrider	true :)	22:28
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lcuk	ello TrueJournals \o ltns	22:30
TrueJournals	Hello	22:31
lcuk	jaffa is your baby making you more tired	22:31
lcuk	or are you gettin a bit more sleep nowadays	22:31
Jaffa	lcuk: Not too bad	22:31
lcuk	how are your nipples now, have they settled down :P	22:32
Jaffa	She's with my mother today, and 3 year old and missus came down to London, I had afternoon off, and we did touristy things like London Eye	22:32
lcuk	:D	22:32
lcuk	bonus	22:32
Jaffa	On train now and knackered. Beer and steak in Wetherspoons was good, tno	22:33
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lcuk	you let your 3yo have beer n steak!	22:33
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Jaffa	:)	22:33
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TrueJournals	Well, there sure is an intriguing conversation being held in here...	22:40
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TrueJournals	:P	22:40
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lcuk	heh TrueJournals yeah busy little beavers	22:40
lcuk	how have you been	22:41
TrueJournals	Been alright... busy with school :P	22:41
Stskeeps	TrueJournals: you like doing control panel like stuff btw?	22:41
TrueJournals	And yourself? New version of liqbase coming soon? :P	22:41
TrueJournals	Stskeeps: Haven't done much work with much of anything...	22:41
lcuk	im great, most tihngs that i want are coming together nicely and yeah it will be i think :)	22:42
lcuk	you have seen the "new" video havent you	22:42
TrueJournals	Uhh... maybe... how new is it?	22:42
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lcuk	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY	22:42
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lcuk	that one	22:42
lcuk	has anyone used ccache	22:44
TrueJournals	Yup :D Looks awesome (re: video)	22:44
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lcuk	yeah it does, im making it work with same kind of stability as before and then i can get everything into it and more (all the stuff i couldnt do before are seemingly available now)	22:46
* lcuk hopes he hasnt missed anything		22:46
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TrueJournals	Stskeeps: What did you have in mind...?	22:46
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Stskeeps	TrueJournals: ah, we're just starting slowly to start working on control panels for mer	22:47
TrueJournals	Ah	22:47
Stskeeps	we can do them in python, we have one in perl already and zenity, heh	22:47
TrueJournals	Hooray for mixing languages	22:47
qwerty12_N800	technically, the control panel applet isn't in perl	22:47
lcuk	perl is just there to throw you off track, the perl script runs, extracts the soruce and ocmpiler, rebuilds a new applet out of macro ASM, runs it and destroys it again, and the code is shaped like a cog	22:48
lcuk	soruce and ocmpiler <<<<<<<<< mm	22:49
lcuk	told you, fingers too fast	22:49
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summatusmentis	stupid question, is maemo still the 'best' option for the n8x0 tablets in terms of OS?	22:51
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TrueJournals	summatusmentis: I would say so, yes...	22:52
summatusmentis	TrueJournals: hrm	22:52
inz	Depends, obviously, on what you want to do with it	22:52
TrueJournals	Though, others might disagree with me...	22:52
summatusmentis	inz: well, yeah, clearly	22:52
summatusmentis	does ubuntu work at all? or is there still the issues with drivers?	22:53
TrueJournals	"What needs work:	22:54
TrueJournals	*Sound	22:54
TrueJournals	*Usplash (as a replacement for omap-fb-splash)"	22:54
TrueJournals	Seems like it's just sound that isn't working... http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27735	22:54
summatusmentis	hrm... contemplating reviving my n810 over purchasing a netbook	22:54
summatusmentis	but I found the maemo interface annoying	22:55
TrueJournals	Annoying how?	22:55
summatusmentis	just not intuitive	22:56
summatusmentis	and lacking apps, but that's not interface related	22:56
summatusmentis	that said, when I tried debian, it was way too desktoppy for me	22:56
Stskeeps	summatusmentis: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png , work in progres	22:58
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summatusmentis	Stskeeps: I'm just looking at the mer wiki page	22:58
summatusmentis	Stskeeps: is it usable?	22:59
Stskeeps	not 1.0 yet (day to day usable) :P	23:00
summatusmentis	heh	23:00
summatusmentis	maybe I'll look into after $mayhem_application_period ends	23:00
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summatusmentis	and there's nothing like the ubuntu netbook edition running or anything?	23:02
Stskeeps	would take too much cpu/mem/etc :P	23:02
summatusmentis	right, that's kinda what I thought	23:02
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summatusmentis	has the app depth increased with maemo proper?	23:03
* timeless_mbp cries		23:03
summatusmentis	word processing, browser speed up, etc.	23:03
* timeless_mbp wonders if the vpn client works in mer		23:03
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Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: if it works in ubuntu :P	23:06
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timeless_mbp	ever played kwarto?	23:11
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qwerty12_N800	~seen hannesw	23:18
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infobot	hannesw <n=hannes@chello062178166147.12.14.vie.surfer.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21d 23h 8m 44s ago, saying: 'lcuk: i seem to remember that glxgears performance is not really relevant, it's just some weird problems deep down in the drivers, and the x.org folks will eventually sort it out, but not in the near future...'.	23:18
qwerty12_N800	bollocks	23:19
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timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: so..... vpnc + vpnc-gui works	23:27
timeless_mbp	but networkmanager won't show me any vpn stuff	23:27
Stskeeps	mm, dunno - my vbox instance is a bit destroyed right now	23:28
Stskeeps	would surprise me it doesn't have connect to a VPN in the menu though	23:28
Pavlov	hrmp	23:29
timeless_mbp	err?	23:29
timeless_mbp	it does have an item	23:29
timeless_mbp	but the dialog (general prefs) doesn't enable 'add'	23:29
Stskeeps	ah	23:29
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timelE61i	uH oh	23:32
timelE61i	Something broke my mbp	23:33
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Stskeeps	wasn't me!	23:33
Stskeeps	:P	23:33
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summatusmentis	Stskeeps: so mer is based on ubuntu? presumably binary compatible?	23:37
Stskeeps	yeah, it is based on ubuntu, it's a bunch of packages overlaying, so you have most of ubuntu repository	23:37
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Stskeeps	and when i say ubuntu, i don't mean based on the n8x0 ubuntu port :P	23:37
Stskeeps	(which is actually based on mer..)	23:37
summatusmentis	Stskeeps: no, vanilla ubuntu arm	23:37
summatusmentis	is there more info on it than the wiki?	23:38
Stskeeps	and it is actually fairly binary compatible with maemo as well	23:38
Stskeeps	there's maybe the lwn and linuxdevices article and then the wiki, and that's that :P	23:38
summatusmentis	I don't care as much about maemo, because a lot of what I wanted was ported anyway	23:38
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summatusmentis	is it finger friendly?	23:41
Stskeeps	mer? yeah	23:41
Stskeeps	it is based off hildon, so	23:41
summatusmentis	so mostly	23:41
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gnuton	hello guys	23:44
Stskeeps	lo gnuton	23:44
lbt	hi	23:45
lbt	good catch on the close	23:45
lbt	I totally forgot about the menu interaction!	23:45
timeless_mbp_	Stskeeps: can i install virtualbox drivers into mer?	23:45
gnuton	hei Stskeeps, lbt :D	23:45
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp_: i actually never tried but i would assume it's possible.. if it being jaunty doesn't break it	23:45
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lbt	gnuton: have you uploaded 445 to extras-devel? I've noticed some differences in behaviour between the autobuilt Qt and my locally sbox built Qt (sbox works, autobuilder doesnt)	23:49
gnuton	lbt: which kind of differences?	23:49
lbt	mouse events and tablet events	23:50
lbt	my gesture code stopped working	23:50
gnuton	O_o	23:50
lbt	so I investigated and found I wasn't getting MouseMove	23:50
lbt	I was getting TabletMove	23:50
gnuton	O_o	23:51
Stskeeps	TabletMove?	23:51
Stskeeps	:P	23:51
lbt	however, when I did a manual configure	23:51
lbt	(same options)	23:51
lbt	and just copied the QtGui.so	23:51
lbt	it was perfect	23:51
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gnuton	lbt: TabletEvent in order to get the pressure event.	23:52
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lbt	I thought so	23:52
lbt	but it's supposed to be followed by a MouseMove	23:52
gnuton	lbt: I don't know how your program works.. but filter them are pretty simple...	23:52
lbt	if not accepted	23:52
lbt	nah	23:53
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lbt	this was a behaviour change from 4.4 to 4.5	23:53
lbt	and it only happened on the extras-devel build	23:53
lbt	my scratchbox build behaved as 4.4	23:53
lbt	I'm only mentioning it at this point	23:54
lbt	in case you heard/hear of similar things	23:54
lbt	I'll narrow it down more before I report it :)	23:54
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gnuton	The 4.4 was okay..	23:55
lbt	yes	23:55
gnuton	so if there are some changes on Qt 4.5 it could be a bug.	23:55
lbt	my gesture code is quite funky	23:55
lbt	yes but	23:55
lbt	my build of 4.5 was fine	23:55
lbt	so if there is a bug	23:55
lbt	it may be in the debianisation or rather maemoisation	23:56
lbt	eg the ./configure failure because of bash-ism	23:56
gnuton	which package version are you using?	23:56
lbt	err - looking for the right dpk- command	23:57
gnuton	hops It's right:P youa are using self-compiled libs :P	23:57
gnuton	haha I'm a bit multi tasking this evening.	23:58
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lbt	always!	23:58

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