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| z4chh | xnt|in_gimp, you should have never given it up >.< | 00:24 |
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| xnt|in_gimp | :P | 00:25 |
| xnt|in_gimp | im talking about wacom tablets | 00:26 |
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| xnt|in_gimp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet | 00:26 |
| lcuk | xnt|in_gimp, just get a touch laptop | 00:27 |
| lcuk | even better | 00:27 |
| xnt|in_gimp | yeah | 00:27 |
| xnt|in_gimp | anyone know where to get the microb icon? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | *weba_ap_web_browser* in the icons folder | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i take it you mean the globe | 00:29 |
| * xnt|in_gimp doesn't have his tablet with him :( | 00:29 | |
| xnt|in_gimp | yeah I mean the globe | 00:29 |
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| lbt | so, my Qt app is handling dbus acceptably | 00:49 |
| lbt | but something is not right in registering with the WM | 00:49 |
| lbt | X-Osso-Service is set | 00:50 |
| xnt|in_gimp | almost done :) | 00:54 |
| lcuk | lbt, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/liqbase_hildon.c?revision=68&root=liqbase&view=markup | 00:55 |
| xnt|in_gimp | currently without browser icon | 00:55 |
| lcuk | thats the reg code for osso from liqbase perspective | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Doesn't he want to use something that isn't libosso? | 00:56 |
| lbt | yeah, I know :) I'm digging into the libosso source for osso_initialize | 00:56 |
| lbt | the problem is that osso_initialize hooks into glib (ie gtk) | 00:57 |
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| lbt | here is some scribbling I've been doing to map osso_initialize to QtDBus http://pastebin.com/d25781fbf | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | well, that makes sense, hildon *IS* gtk and thats the closest even I come to gtk | 00:59 |
| lcuk | remember, liqbase is as far from gtk as qt is | 00:59 |
| lbt | yeah - but you're in bed with it :) | 00:59 |
| lbt | liqbase will depend on glib | 00:59 |
| lbt | glib == QtCore | 01:00 |
| lcuk | yes and to be compatible you have to connect at some level | 01:00 |
| lbt | no, Qt has no glib dependency AFAIK | 01:01 |
| lbt | (it may be that dbusd is implemented in glib though) | 01:01 |
| lbt | dbus provides the abstraction | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | :) ahh | 01:02 |
| lbt | dbus == corba | 01:02 |
| * lcuk never knew that | 01:02 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Netbook Remix just makes me wish for Hildon | 01:08 |
| xnt|in_gimp | GA: :P | 01:11 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, this article needs your attention :P http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/22/2126206 | 01:12 |
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| * GeneralAntilles gives up and orders a pizza. | 01:13 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk, lol | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, Nautilus opens windows for my SD card everytime I open the lid. | 01:17 |
| xnt|in_gimp | :P:P | 01:17 |
| lcuk | omg ive got people following me on twitter | 01:17 |
| lcuk | i dont think ive ever made a posting! | 01:17 |
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| xnt|in_gimp | my sucky Mer UI Mockup Minus browser icon :P http://xceleo.com/mer-ui-mockup.png | 01:20 |
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| xnt|in_gimp | Stskeeps: What do you think | 01:20 |
| xnt|in_gimp | Stskeeps: that bar under the time will pull down a stats/lockscreen/wifi toggle menu like android | 01:22 |
| lcuk | xnt|in_gimp, thats very nice :) | 01:23 |
| xnt|in_gimp | lcuk: thanks :) | 01:23 |
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| xnt|eating | ok I have to eat something | 01:24 |
| * xnt|eating orders pizza | 01:24 | |
| lcuk | you deserve it, that looks really slick :) | 01:24 |
| xnt|eating | I'll make one with the dropdown afer I eat | 01:24 |
| lcuk | i'm glad someone thinks the sidebar works in certain situations | 01:25 |
| xnt|eating | and then Ill make a blogpost about it | 01:25 |
| xnt|eating | the terminal has a dedicated icon, and the menu is Horizontal | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it doesn't. :P | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | general if you want people to use their thumbs having easy to hit targets is a win | 01:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the sidebar isn't that | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's a nice way to waste valuable application space. | 01:27 |
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| xnt|eating | :P | 01:28 |
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| xnt|eating | I know it looks like crap right now :P | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man there's a lot of builder spam | 01:29 |
| xnt|eating | Maybe there will be a button which hides the sidebar, like kde | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is, it's called the fullscreen button. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't work very well. | 01:29 |
| * xnt|eating hates the fs button :P | 01:30 | |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, different people have different focus, it would be nice to have proper choice about which panels go where and to what alignment :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | so a user who wants a simple topbar can have it, and others who might want a bottom bar or sidebars can also have it | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, we don't have enough space for that. | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the touch-context argument | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | it adds too much complexity to be cost-effective. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i merely said it would be nice, i dont need it justifying :) | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application developers need to be able to predict how much space they're going to be able to work with when it's as little as we have. | 01:34 |
| lcuk | no they dont | 01:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lots of things would be nice, most of them aren't feasible in reality. :) | 01:34 |
| lcuk | applications need to handle change | 01:34 |
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| xnt | lifehacker needs to update more | 01:40 |
| NiggaJewChink | hai guise. wtf is this channel all bout? | 01:40 |
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| xnt | :P | 01:41 |
| NiggaJewChink | hai xnt soup? | 01:41 |
| xnt | http://maemo.org/ | 01:41 |
| xnt | :P | 01:41 |
| NiggaJewChink | development for the internets? | 01:42 |
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| NiggaJewChink | ohh looks kewl | 01:42 |
| xnt | Internet tablets | 01:42 |
| NiggaJewChink | it's bad I is have a motorola f3 | 01:43 |
| xnt | http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,n810 | 01:43 |
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| xnt | :P thanks | 01:46 |
| SeatNigra | damn they banned me | 01:46 |
| xnt | :P:P:P | 01:46 |
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| xnt | zombie irc users | 01:46 |
| OffensiveNick | no... i have 2 connections | 01:47 |
| OffensiveNick | hehe my nick is now a paradox | 01:47 |
| OffensiveNick | speaking of multiple internet connections, i'll do my supreme multiple gateway manager for the internets :D | 01:48 |
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| OffensiveNick | ignorant... | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ignore-ant | 01:50 |
| OffensiveNick | what? | 01:50 |
| * xnt has a headache | 01:50 | |
| OffensiveNick | take 1g paracetamol | 01:50 |
| lbt | night all | 01:50 |
| OffensiveNick | bye | 01:51 |
| xnt | lbt: night | 01:51 |
| t_s_o | thats quite a bit, no? | 01:53 |
| OffensiveNick | t_s_o wut? | 01:53 |
| t_s_o | 1 gram of painkillers... | 01:53 |
| OffensiveNick | it's just paracetamol | 01:54 |
| OffensiveNick | your body can take much more | 01:54 |
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| OffensiveNick | but if you want a nice painkiller try dihydrocodeinone or oxycodone and stuff like this | 01:54 |
| t_s_o | heh | 01:55 |
| xnt | OffensiveNick: Please Spell Correctly , Please? | 01:55 |
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| t_s_o | im not much of a painkiller user | 01:55 |
| OffensiveNick | xnt are the chemichal substances misspelled? | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | who needs a liver anyway | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sp3000! | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yoink! | 01:56 |
| xnt | :P | 01:56 |
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| OffensiveNick | nice stuff is diazepam with alcohol | 01:58 |
| OffensiveNick | you've got all to try this | 01:58 |
| OffensiveNick | try it* | 01:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OffensiveNick, you're looking for ##drugs. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is #maemo, try to stick to the topic, please. | 01:59 |
| xnt | :P:P | 01:59 |
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| OffensiveNick | nobody is on drugs here :( | 02:00 |
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| t_s_o | caffeine forever ;) | 02:00 |
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| OffensiveNick | that's a drug! | 02:01 |
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| OffensiveNick | t_s_o have you ever tried caffeine with tobacco with ginkgo biloba? tons of fun | 02:01 |
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| slypheed | hey guys...application menu went blank...any tips/links on rebuilding it (i.e. besides update-desktop-database)? | 02:03 |
| slypheed | on an n810/diablo/os2008 | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | slypheed, there's a default file somewhere you can copy. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | slypheed, did you run out of space during an install or something? | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slypheed: cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /home/user/.osso/menus/applications.menu && update-desktop-database :p | 02:04 |
| slypheed | quite possible...moved my root to the 2gb internal instead of flash...so been installing apps a bit heedlessly.. | 02:04 |
| slypheed | thanks much, i'll give it a try | 02:04 |
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| PedoBear | qwerty12_N800 hmmm are you talking about cp? | 02:05 |
| * PedoBear puts his coolface | 02:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, can you add a comment for it here? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3795 | 02:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | PedoBear: lol, cp as in copy - not some dirty concotion | 02:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: sure | 02:06 |
| PedoBear | what a shame qwerty12_N800 :( | 02:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: hmm, not sure what to comment on, you already say how to get the menus back | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, oh, did I? | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well then. . . . | 02:09 |
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| slypheed | awesome, thanks so much qwerty12_N800..so much nicer :p | 02:09 |
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| * xnt wants his own diy uav | 02:30 | |
| xnt | http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A44814 | 02:30 |
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| xnt | maybe I can control it with maemo? | 02:31 |
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| DavidePalm | is there an irc channel for maemo mapper? | 02:38 |
| fireun | that seems a little specific for irc | 02:38 |
| DavidePalm | :D | 02:38 |
| DavidePalm | well there is for canola and xchat | 02:39 |
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| DavidePalm | anyone know what the 'generic error' issue with maemo mapper is about? Happens when trying to download a route | 02:41 |
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| xnt | b-man: http://xceleo.com/mer-ui-mockup.png Mer UI Mockup :) | 03:35 |
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| xnt | b-man16: http://xceleo.com/mer-ui-mockup.png Mer UI Mockup :) | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | you *just* said that :o | 03:42 |
| xnt | :P | 03:42 |
| xnt | yeah | 03:42 |
| xnt | b-man|compiling: hello :P | 03:43 |
| b-man|compiling | hello | 03:44 |
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| xnt | b-man|compiling: http://xceleo.com/mer-ui-mockup.png :P | 03:45 |
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| b-man|compiling | nice :) | 03:45 |
| xnt | :) | 03:45 |
| * b-man|compiling 's tablet is getting pushed to it's limits atm XD | 03:46 | |
| b-man|compiling | compiling LFS | 03:46 |
| b-man|compiling | on my tablet XD | 03:47 |
| xnt | :P:P XD | 03:47 |
| * b-man|compiling is still having issues with binutils :P | 03:48 | |
| xnt | :P | 03:48 |
| b-man|compiling | but i made more progress :) | 03:48 |
| b-man|compiling | xnt: what have you been up to? :) | 03:49 |
| b-man|compiling | besides making that mock-up XP | 03:50 |
| b-man|compiling | wich is awsome btw | 03:51 |
| b-man|compiling | *witch :P | 03:52 |
| xnt | nothing, just looking at this :P http://www.avbrand.com/projects/carpc/ | 03:52 |
| b-man|compiling | heh | 03:52 |
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| * b-man|compiling gets an " BFD does not support target {armv6l-unknown-linux-gnueabi}" error :P | 03:54 | |
| * b-man|compiling is going crazy | 03:55 | |
| xnt | :P | 03:55 |
| b-man|compiling | :P:P | 03:55 |
| * b-man|compiling trys again | 03:56 | |
| xnt | :P | 03:57 |
| b-man|compiling | i don't give up easily ;) | 03:57 |
| xnt | :) | 03:57 |
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| b-man|compiling | XD | 03:58 |
| * xnt wants a car :P | 03:59 | |
| xnt | with a linux carpc | 03:59 |
| b-man|compiling | lol | 03:59 |
| z4chh | bman what's you compiling? | 04:00 |
| b-man|compiling | binutils | 04:00 |
| b-man|compiling | :P | 04:00 |
| b-man|compiling | it's complaining about the system architecture | 04:00 |
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| xnt | omfg I must get this on my car when I get mine :) | 04:01 |
| b-man|compiling | xnt: how old are you btw? | 04:01 |
| xnt | https://www.timekiller.org/carpc/index.php | 04:01 |
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| JackaLX | So what do you do when your n810 won't boot, the initial "Nokia" splash screen is as far as it gets and that is borked, and reflashing just results in a usb write error (resource temp unavailable), and the only way to turn the pig off is to pull the battery? | 04:21 |
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| z4chh | b-man, what does the b stand for? | 04:36 |
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| b-man | Brian :) | 04:47 |
| b-man | my real name | 04:47 |
| b-man | b -(brian) m -(mckenzie) an | 04:47 |
| b-man | the "an" means adam - my middle name | 04:47 |
| b-man | and the 16 i occasionally use is my age :P | 04:47 |
| * b-man didn't chose his username for nothing :) | 04:47 | |
| boredom | :P | 04:48 |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 05:06 |
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| JackaLX | I'm getting `usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable' when trying to reflash my n810. Anyone have any ideas/suggestions? | 05:30 |
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| zakkm | JackaLX: what you using to reflash? whats the line | 05:54 |
| JackaLX | ./flasher-3.0 -F image -f -R | 05:55 |
| zakkm | are you running as root? | 05:56 |
| JackaLX | yes | 05:56 |
| zakkm | the nokia has the usb logo when reflashing? | 05:56 |
| JackaLX | yes | 05:56 |
| JackaLX | it sends the xloader ok, and dies on secondary image with 0 bytes sent | 05:57 |
| zakkm | try other usb slot? | 05:57 |
| JackaLX | yes | 05:57 |
| zakkm | is maemo installed fine? | 05:57 |
| JackaLX | it was :-) | 05:58 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:58 |
| zakkm | im thinking you could of tried fiasco-flasher | 05:58 |
| JackaLX | it won't boot :-( | 05:58 |
| zakkm | so do initfs? | 05:59 |
| zakkm | not whole image | 05:59 |
| zakkm | linux? | 05:59 |
| JackaLX | I'll give it a try... what flasher opts do I need for that --flash-only initfs? anything else | 05:59 |
| JackaLX | yes | 06:00 |
| zakkm | --flash-only=initfs | 06:00 |
| zakkm | it would redo "bootloader" | 06:00 |
| JackaLX | ok | 06:00 |
| zakkm | otherwise you would have to redownload/reinstall shit if you do whole image ;p | 06:00 |
| zakkm | JackaLX: did you try taking out battery for a few seconds | 06:01 |
| zakkm | put back in .. and try | 06:01 |
| JackaLX | yeah... atm it's the only way to turn the pig off :-O | 06:02 |
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| zakkm | it will auto turn off from nokia screen in like 2 min.. btw | 06:02 |
| zakkm | but uhh | 06:02 |
| zakkm | can you show me whole line | 06:03 |
| zakkm | counting the __$: and image name | 06:03 |
| JackaLX | # ../tools/flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 06:03 |
| zakkm | try without root | 06:04 |
| zakkm | mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb | 06:05 |
| zakkm | try that too | 06:05 |
| zakkm | that as root, of course | 06:05 |
| JackaLX | yeah I mount that normally anyway | 06:05 |
| JackaLX | my UPS needs it | 06:05 |
| zakkm | im just taking educated guesses here you know | 06:05 |
| JackaLX | sure, that's cool | 06:06 |
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| zakkm | try without root | 06:06 |
| zakkm | or if it really needs do sudo.. dont become root | 06:06 |
| JackaLX | non-root is no good... perms. | 06:06 |
| JackaLX | may I ask why? | 06:07 |
| zakkm | you did chmod +x flasher .. right? | 06:07 |
| JackaLX | yes :-) | 06:07 |
| zakkm | why as sudo? | 06:08 |
| zakkm | run as user with root permissions, rather than run as root | 06:08 |
| zakkm | user specifics settings might of been an obstacle | 06:08 |
| JackaLX | yeah I know what sudo is... I'm wondering why you want me to avoid root here | 06:08 |
| JackaLX | BTW, sudo won't do that | 06:08 |
| JackaLX | the processes you run via sudo run as the user you sudo to (root if you don't specify a user) | 06:09 |
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| zakkm | then am i referring to su? | 06:09 |
| JackaLX | same thing basically | 06:09 |
| zakkm | i swear one of them is just permission, not as the user | 06:10 |
| JackaLX | crap, this bloody thing won't even power up now | 06:10 |
| zakkm | you can try unpacking the binary | 06:11 |
| zakkm | and then install the initfs.jff2 | 06:11 |
| zakkm | lol | 06:11 |
| zakkm | out of batteries? | 06:11 |
| JackaLX | it's a little low... 2.9 volts | 06:12 |
| zakkm | takes alot to power on and off | 06:12 |
| zakkm | and battery removed | 06:12 |
| JackaLX | had it on charge all fooking night last night | 06:12 |
| zakkm | why do you think they say not to turn off nokia | 06:13 |
| zakkm | just to leave it in sleep | 06:13 |
| JackaLX | it'd be dead flat before I woke up | 06:13 |
| zakkm | do you have a memory card inserted to nokia? | 06:13 |
| JackaLX | but I normally do leave it on all the time anyway | 06:13 |
| JackaLX | not atm | 06:14 |
| zakkm | bad linux install? | 06:15 |
| JackaLX | no | 06:15 |
| zakkm | have you tried a livecd or something? | 06:15 |
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| Macer | blah | 06:16 |
| JackaLX | erm, no | 06:17 |
| Macer | hm | 06:17 |
| zakkm | just try it | 06:17 |
| zakkm | mount it, so you dont have to redownload image | 06:17 |
| zakkm | chmod again and yeah | 06:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, qgil. | 06:57 |
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| qgil | hi GeneralAntilles, just read your email | 06:59 |
| qgil | good call in maemo-community | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably should've started sooner, but hopefully it'll pick up steam. | 07:00 |
| qgil | what do you think about this thread moves in ITt, worth doing and helping people to post in the right places? | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The initial reaction is probably going to be negative (itT has been a bit wild west for most of its life), but people actually being able to find what they're looking for in logical places is incredibly important. | 07:03 |
| qgil | ok, good to know your opinion :) | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially with the big traffic bump we're probably going to see (RSN, right? ;)) | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should also look at merging and splitting threads. | 07:03 |
| qgil | it's not the most intellectually challenging task I'm doin'g these days... ;) | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try the jumble. :P | 07:04 |
| qgil | RSN? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Real Soon Now. Sorry, fishing for hints. :P | 07:04 |
| qgil | In a universal scale, everything is RSN anyways ;) | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:05 |
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| qgil | splitting threads, I thought about it in some cases but the fact that I'm a Nokian might not help........ | 07:06 |
| qgil | so I'm just doin' the obvious sorting | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe prod the other mods to be on the lookout then they can do it for a while until people acclimate. | 07:07 |
| qgil | Cancel issue in Alpha SDK thread, N8*0 support issue in Maemo 5 features thread... if you go for the split they would deserve someone might even be more encouraged to keep the discussion unite | 07:08 |
| qgil | or maybe I'm just paranoid, but web forums are a good place for paranoia | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to start pushing to keep people on-topic. | 07:08 |
| timelE61i | good place to avoid, like dark alleys | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Running rampant with the topic is fun and all, and it's alright for smaller forums, but gets a little out of hand when they start really growing. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Until you end up with 1000 page threads going all over the place. | 07:09 |
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| qgil | agreed, but many times when that happens there is some Nokia-hot-issue involved, so this is why I won't be the one touching that | 07:12 |
| qgil | those threads are seen by the rest of moderators anyway, so no need to ping them myself | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like beekeeping. ;) | 07:13 |
| qgil | also, I think it's good to leave thore redirects with a 1 month life, at least now for the first weeks before we have forum descriptions and sticky topics, and people get more used to post in the right place | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as the redirects expire. | 07:15 |
| qgil | I agree now they look silly... but they reflect the current "silliness" (no offense to anyone) :) | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | One thing I've noticed about the Ubuntu forums is that google results tend to be populated by threads with either no responses or no useful responses. | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if it would be bad to kill threads that don't get resolved after a certain time period. | 07:18 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: it takes enough time to follow what is living, to follow as well what is dead... | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it could be automated somehow, but, yeah, a fair point. | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Googling for answers and running across dead Ubuntu threads over and over again has gotten old, I guess. ;) | 07:23 |
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| z4chh | w00t finished my gsoc proposal rough draft! :D | 07:32 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: hum ... the french ubuntu community don't have so much dead thread ... | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, what's their strategy? Being French? :P | 07:52 |
| Khertan | there is two solution ... some guys use there time to answer | 07:52 |
| Khertan | s/there/their | 07:52 |
| Khertan | or some use their time to delete it | 07:52 |
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| Khertan | ok i' ll try to see why it s like that | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I suspect dead thread deletion is a good strategy. | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The manual overhead on it can probably be reduced, too, with a little scripting. | 07:53 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: maybe | 07:53 |
| Khertan | but i see an other solution instead of deletion | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We could probably get the software to generate a "digest" of threads meeting the deletion criteria for mods. | 07:54 |
| Khertan | to push them to archive and force robot to not index it | 07:54 |
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| Khertan | so there is no deleting .. | 07:54 |
| Khertan | and when people search answer with google ... no dead thread without any answer | 07:55 |
| Khertan | and as it s archive ... same things for the internal search engine | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that'd work. | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, since there's no deletion, it can be automated without any guilt. | 07:56 |
| Khertan | yep | 07:56 |
| Khertan | happy to help the community :) | 07:56 |
| Khertan | so now ... i ll run .... i ll be to late to take my train ... | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just gotta remember to write this up for -community later. | 07:57 |
| Khertan | have a good day ... | 07:57 |
| Khertan | ::) | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or itT, I guess. | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later. | 07:58 |
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| qgil | extras-devel is getting populated (16 items now) and I can see already evident bugs e.g. libraries visible to the user and installed apps not showing any icon and needing to be booted via console | 08:56 |
| qgil | (Fremantle, I mean) | 08:56 |
| qgil | I wonder whether we should start pushing those apps to bugs.maemo.org, or at least show in the package info a URL or the project to file a bug | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, I was waiting on the h-a-m categories patches to ship to start bugging maintainers again. :( | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, timeless, jeremiah and myself have been projects to b.m.o here and there as things come up. | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But until we get some bugzilla updates there's a lot of manual overhead involved. | 08:58 |
| timelE61i | quim: i'm willing to add the products | 08:59 |
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| timelE61i | But someone needs to give me a list | 08:59 |
| timelE61i | I'm not running maemo5 :) | 08:59 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: ok, but we could say that a package needs to state a project URL in info if it wants to ever be promoted to extras-testing | 08:59 |
| qgil | now I want to file bugs and the onyl thing I see in some cases is an email of a maintaner | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does Debian provide a facility for that in debs? | 08:59 |
| timelE61i | Gan: did you post the instructions i gave you? | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, yeah, they're on the wiki. | 09:00 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: give me a list of products and i'll deal w/ them now | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's a Homepage: field in debs | 09:00 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: don't ask me, but at least they let you add a description where a URL can be added | 09:00 |
| qgil | ah, Stskeeps gave a better answer | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Administration_guide | 09:01 |
| timelE61i | My computer is killing itsewlf! | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: it's monday. it's perfectly natural. | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | i expect disasters when i sit down at my machine today. | 09:02 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: better hold off that list until my computer reincarnates | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, for now, emailing the maintainers is fairly effective. | 09:03 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: i'd rather setup bugzilla | 09:03 |
| timelE61i | That way you can walk them through using it | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, does Fremantle's h-a-m have the patches (I think I've asked before, but I don't recall the answer)? | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still no Fremantle on MXR? :( | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i can't tell currently, - HAM is one of the packages we didn't update yet | 09:04 |
| timelE61i | Gan? | 09:05 |
| timelE61i | Why doesn't repo.m.o support directory listings? | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, doesn't it? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: it does in most places except for the nokia-closed stuff | 09:06 |
| timely | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/Packages | 09:06 |
| timely | err | 09:06 |
| timely | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess Fremantle Extras-devel is setup funkily | 09:07 |
| timely | qgil: so um... | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ | 09:08 |
| timely | do you want to give me a list of products in order | 09:08 |
| timely | or should i just create one for each i can find in extras-devel? | 09:08 |
| timely | gan: re mxr, i'm halfway through reincarnating the xref builder | 09:08 |
| timely | but sadly this week i have to waste the entire week writing meaningless documentation | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | My pathetic r.m.o pre-draft if anybody feels like looking: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | "Chinook eEtras" | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 09:13 |
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| timely | i don't like it :) | 09:15 |
| timely | are you opposed to tables? :) | 09:16 |
| timely | oddly, people can easily scan tables | 09:16 |
| timely | tablets are a different matter | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless the data actually calls for it. | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, what's your proposal? | 09:16 |
| timely | one column per release | 09:17 |
| timely | releases which are latest for their thing get a <th> instead of a <td> for the head | 09:17 |
| timely | that draws attn to the important releases | 09:17 |
| timely | alternatively relegate the older ones to a second table | 09:17 |
| timely | (probably better) | 09:17 |
| timely | then you stick the repositories as rows | 09:17 |
| timely | w/ extras as a dedicated row | 09:17 |
| timely | (and extras-devel and ...) | 09:18 |
| timely | so... is "dialcentral" really something in 5.0 extras-devel that needs a product? | 09:18 |
| timely | qgil: actually, how about this | 09:19 |
| timely | we give you a generic product for "extras-devel" | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's likely to go unmaintained. | 09:19 |
| timely | you file your first bug for each product there | 09:19 |
| timely | and we hunt down assignees | 09:19 |
| timely | (mostly you, actually) | 09:19 |
| timely | when you find an assignee and have filed a bug, then someone (gan/myself) creates a product | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can Extras go at the top of the page? | 09:19 |
| timely | this way products only grow when bugs are reported | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a bit against product requirements for extras nomination, as there might be porters like qwerty12 who do general ports and it is in such a wide range that it might not fit in a single product.. how about bugs against maintainers? :P | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | / uploaders | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, requirements? | 09:20 |
| timely | products=packages w/o versions | 09:20 |
| timely | Stskeeps: what i'm offering is that the first bug is filed in 'extras-devel' | 09:21 |
| timely | and then someone like me creates a product | 09:21 |
| timely | having seen demand | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: as in that if a package needs to go into extras you have to link it to a garage product? | 09:21 |
| timely | instead of someone like me creating all possible products and most of them being empty and a waste of time | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | .. if i understand this conversation | 09:21 |
| timely | Stskeeps: oh, that's different | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, new order is: Extras repository for community applications, SDK releases, Repositories for SDKs | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, these are bugzilla products. | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garage has projects, Bugzilla has products. | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough, i misunderstood :) | 09:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to think up a clever title? | 09:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org - Repositories ? | 09:24 |
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| timelE61i | sure | 09:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | .installs were new in Bora, correct? | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | http://everythingrandom.net/post/50714879/via-joy-of-tech | 09:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, updated: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html | 10:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | HTML's default tab length is ma-ma-ma-massive. | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | I personally go to the pool folder than I do the dists | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore the URLs | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're mostly just copy-paste monstrosities | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | formatting and layout for now. | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, fair enough :) | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | Seems to work for me imo :) | 10:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel needs to go in there, too. | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna make it a bit tall. . . . | 10:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Updated again: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/repository.maemo.org.html | 10:23 |
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| X-Fade | Looks great ;) | 10:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just need some .installs, now. | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, i officially don't understand my screen anymore :P | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, see, it's a big grid of these tiny things called pixels. . . | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i know that :P | 10:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No wonder my web browsing experience was sucking | 10:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | forgot to switch back to Monaco 9 | 10:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles <3 Monaco 9 | 10:35 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: (from my perspective) it could be interesting to have the new council determine what it's role in the Mer project is/what it ought to be - as Mer does fit under the maemo.org auspices (sp) | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: there should be a thread about this on maemo-community shorlty | 11:12 |
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| Jaffa | Feel free to chip in thre | 11:20 |
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| StsN801 | on the one day i forget my tablet headphones there's a primary school class in bus.. | 11:23 |
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| x29a | haaahaaa </nelson> | 11:27 |
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| StsN801 | lo yerga | 11:29 |
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| yerga | Morning | 11:30 |
| b0unc3_ | good morning | 11:31 |
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| Myrtti | good morning! | 11:58 |
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| _berto_ | hi Myrtti | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: your jaiku URL on amsterdam summit has awkward <i>Summit</i> in it | 12:26 |
| florian | good morning | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | morning florian | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | florian: you can probably utilize http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages#Current_package_status in the GSoC OE+Maemo idea - the packages are modified to be built in modern OS'es/build environments | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | happiness is warm fuzzy slippers in the morning. srsly. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: but coffee comes in on a great second | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I read that as "spiders" for some reason. | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I bought a 6-cup Bialletti moka pot on Saturday, some decent fairtrade espresso roast and a thermos mug that holds the whole pot and some milk | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | bliss | 12:31 |
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| Khertan_At_Work | Hello ! | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | lo khertan | 12:37 |
| Khertan_At_Work | lo Stskeeps | 12:38 |
| florian | Stskeeps: yes indeed, that would be a pretty good base. | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | florian: from my perspective the OE stuff would be interesting for those systems we cannot reliably put a ubuntu base on, at least | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | and we increase the portability of the hildon/maemo code | 12:50 |
| florian | Stskeeps: Yes indeed - we should try to make sure to keep things binary compatible. It shouldn't be hard to achieve - some people build packages for Maemo using OE already. | 12:51 |
| florian | Stskeeps: Portability is quite a problem currently, every single bit that improves Maemo portability will be win for it. | 12:52 |
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| timelE61i | hey | 14:00 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here familiar w/ code analysis tools? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | only from theoretical pov :P | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I'm asking about another batch of t-shirts to spread around. | 14:01 |
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| timelE61i | there's a tool depends.exe (dependency walker) | 14:01 |
| timelE61i | Which lets one find out which external functions are provided by which libraries | 14:02 |
| timelE61i | It's kinda a cross between nm and ldd/ld | 14:02 |
| timelE61i | I'm wondering if there's a similar tool for unix | 14:03 |
| timelE61i | My guess is there isn't and that i'll basically have to run nm on everything and use perl/python to answer questions | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | or use libelf | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | apt-get bacon | 15:20 |
| lbt | timelE61i: when building debian packages there is some debug info that says "needlessly depends" and seems to be based on library function analysis. Clearly something in the packaging is doing this - maybe a starter for 10.... | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | lbt, maybe thats a difference between the makefile and the /debian contents | 15:21 |
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| lbt | don't think so - it's quite detailed IIRC - sounds like an analysis | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | oooh | 15:24 |
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| lopz | hi | 15:27 |
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| salty_horse | hi. I just received an email from hudson.fremantle@nokia.com about a successful build of microb-engine. it was sent to me and many others. anyone know what's it about? | 15:29 |
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| lcuk | salty_horse, at a guess its a mail telling you about a successful build of microb-engine | 15:31 |
| lcuk | dont take my word for it though :D | 15:32 |
| salty_horse | it kind of looks like spam, since it was sent to 136 addresses.. some appear to be mozilla devs, and googling tells me the project is related to maemo | 15:33 |
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| lbt | sounds like your email got added to an autobuilder | 15:34 |
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| salty_horse | lbt, an autobuilder which lists all of its recipients in CC? :) | 15:34 |
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| salty_horse | never mind. I'll see if it happens again | 15:34 |
| lbt | it's highly unlikely to be 'spam' | 15:35 |
| lbt | as such | 15:35 |
| lbt | salty_horse: but if it does happen again and you want help getting off the list then someone here may be able to help | 15:35 |
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| salty_horse | you're probably right. it points to a LAN ip address | 15:36 |
| salty_horse | do you know who Hudson Fremantle is? | 15:36 |
| GAN800 | Codename for a Fremantle autobuilder, probably. | 15:37 |
| andre__ | i'm sure it's not a real person. but fremantle is the name of the next software version | 15:37 |
| andre__ | (at least i can't find any dev with that name in the list) | 15:38 |
| salty_horse | ah :) | 15:38 |
| salty_horse | anyway, thanks for the help | 15:39 |
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| lbt | andre__: are you a libosso ossowm dbus guru? | 15:45 |
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| andre__ | lbt, no. maybe in next life. but still i'd love to read your question though i won't be able to answer it :-P | 15:51 |
| hhahlo | hi, i usually keep volume off but now i boot volume on, and heard linus voice? if i recall right stock diablo doesn't speak at linus voice? what caused that, virus ;) | 15:52 |
| lbt | ah, I thought you were, hence the ping - question posted to maemo-dev :) | 15:52 |
| lbt | or drugs | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | hhahlo: no, just insane clone-to-SD authors | 15:53 |
| hhahlo | hehe, cool | 15:53 |
| hhahlo | i was really surprised :) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | not half as surprised at linus. waking up one morning squashed in a little nokia tablet | 15:56 |
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| ccooke | Huh. Has the fluff about the Next Device actually calmed down finally, then? Or am I just not looking in the right places? :-) | 16:45 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: :) | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ccooke: time to start new rumours! | 16:49 |
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| lardman | ccooke: yep, people are now excited about the sw on the next device, as a stand-in | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png :) | 16:54 |
| ccooke | lardman: even that seems to have died down quite a bit. I guess the interested folk are busy porting stuff, giving the naysayers a break from things to react to ;-) | 16:54 |
| lardman | ccooke: yeah, though we're all waiting really, wanting to see the finished product (both hw and sw) | 16:54 |
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| ccooke | *nod8 | 16:55 |
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| ccooke | It never ceases to amuse me, though, how many people get outraged about this stuff :-) | 16:55 |
| lardman | what? the delay? ;) | 16:56 |
| ccooke | Every single little delta between the next system and the n800? ;-) | 16:56 |
| lardman | well people need something to fill their time :) | 16:57 |
| ccooke | I guess so... | 16:57 |
| lardman | I'm sure I'd be doing the same, more than I am, if I weren't pretty busy | 16:57 |
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| ccooke | Oh, yes... I keep meaning to ask. | 17:08 |
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| ccooke | I've not yet been able to find any reference to the stability of Mer. Is it actually ready for (semi-)general use? | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's not 1.0 (day to day usable) just yet :P | 17:10 |
| ccooke | heh. If you're using 1.0 to mean 'usable', you might want to state that somewhere. We use hundreds of not-yet-and-likely-never-1.0 software every day :-) | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | but it is in good development | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:11 |
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| ccooke | (I remember when 1.0 actually *meant* something... :-) | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: as in you can put it on your tablet and use it without contemplating booting to maemo :P | 17:12 |
| Sho_ | ccooke: there's a 0.9 review on lwn.net that calls it "not ready for end-users yet" | 17:12 |
| Sho_ | (or something along those lines) | 17:12 |
| ccooke | Sho_: Ah ha. thanks. | 17:12 |
| Sho_ | ccooke: http://lwn.net/Articles/322693/ | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: best way to see it really is to try it out - we've made huge leaps, and 0.11 will be a huge leap as well | 17:13 |
| Sho_ | ccooke: Stuff like email, instant messenging, etc. are missing, I guess | 17:13 |
| ccooke | (I use my tablet too much to put a dev environment on it, unfortunately) | 17:13 |
| Sho_ | (personally, though, I don't use email on the tablet, and prefer Pidgin for IM anyway) | 17:13 |
| lardman | ccooke: me too | 17:13 |
| ccooke | I use the built-in IM. it does the job very well. | 17:14 |
| lardman | but with some instructions about which repos to add and which packages to install it can be made usable | 17:14 |
| ccooke | what's more, I use it for SIP | 17:14 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: Working on Mer? Kudos - nice to know my N810 will have an upgrade path | 17:14 |
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| ccooke | I'll be buying the next device when it's out. I'll probably put Mer onto the n810 after that. | 17:14 |
| jeremiah_ | moo | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: yeah, i guess i'm lead developer, but i think of myself of just a faciliator of the project bringing together the pre-existing efforts in the community | 17:15 |
| jeremiah_ | seen X-Fade | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ | 17:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Hey Stskeeps, How are you? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i'm good, had first masters thesis meeting with my advisor today and it went fine | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's nice that you feel your brain waking up and feeling intellectual again for once :P | 17:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Excellent, glad to hear it! | 17:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Good for you. | 17:15 |
| lardman | jeremiah_: ~seen you mean? | 17:16 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: Nice, rock on then :-) I don't doubt my tablet will end up running Mer pretty soon | 17:16 |
| jeremiah_ | BTW, you will most like be in Copenhagen? | 17:16 |
| jeremiah_ | lardman: Yes, that is what I mean. :) | 17:16 |
| jeremiah_ | ~seen X-Fade | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yeah, wouldn't miss it | 17:16 |
| lardman | this is where infobot is asleep | 17:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Excellent, I will be there too. :) | 17:16 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (7d 12h 47s). Has said a total of 57 messages. Is idling for 6h 50m 14s, last said: 'Looks great ;)'. | 17:16 |
| * lardman would like to be, but is getting married that weekend, not sure my wife-to-be would be happy with me delaying things | 17:17 | |
| aquatix | lardman: congrats in advance :) | 17:18 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:18 |
| * Stskeeps wonders when he and the fiancee will find time for the wedding | 17:18 | |
| lbt | my suggestion... | 17:18 |
| lardman | don't do it too soon, really cramps your evening programming time | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: ah, we already live together for 1 1/2 year | 17:19 |
| lbt | pick a date you can remember - we both have birthdays on 20th - so 20th it was.... then find a suitable 20th | 17:19 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: Same here, just lots of extra planning/organising now | 17:19 |
| lardman | lbt: lol | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so far relationship start at 16/2, and engagement day on 1/1, so nice numbers | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:19 |
| lardman | lbt: or get it tattoo'd on your palm? | 17:20 |
| aquatix | 22/7 is also nice, approximating pi ;) | 17:20 |
| lbt | hey - she just laughs 'cos I never remember how many years | 17:20 |
| aquatix | (and summer weather and stuff generally) | 17:20 |
| lbt | its >10 < 20 | 17:20 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Ping: Can we put a new ssh key on g.m.o? | 17:20 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: Btw, is Mer compatible with Maemo themes? | 17:21 |
| jeremiah_ | So I 'cloned' my debian machine in virtualbox so I could take it with me as I travelled. | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: somewhat. fact is that we're applying a new hildon desktop ui | 17:21 |
| ccooke | Oh, god, wedding planning. We're nearly at our fourth anniversary and I can still bait my wife out by suggesting we organise another get-together "like the wedding" ;-) | 17:22 |
| jeremiah_ | But, when you do that, Virtualbox changes the disk ID, and linux uses a UUID for the disk - so my vdi machine won't boot! | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png | 17:22 |
| jeremiah_ | heh, we are going on our ten year anniversary trip this year. :P | 17:22 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: Basically my question aims at my love for the LCARS themes ;) | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: personal launcher maybe.. but yeah, LCARS is difficult with this layout | 17:23 |
| * Myrtti blinks at men talking about wedding planning | 17:23 | |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: geeks love their girls :P | 17:23 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: personal launcher? | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Sho_: well, the problem is that in both fremantle (i think) and mer we have done away with the sidebar | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | and a sidebar is pretty usual in LCARS themes, isn't it? | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | if i remember my trek corretly | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | +c | 17:25 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: geeks never cease to amaze ;) | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | "can't you just go to the magistrate and get the official stuff done, roast a pig, give people paper plates and mugs, then start getting people drunk?" | 17:25 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: yep, indeed | 17:25 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: so you mean for LCARS I'd need to run a personal as in alternative launcher? | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Sho_: no, as in, make some hack to get a similar experience .. i honestly don't know | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there some Trek-acceptable non-sidebar theme? ;) | 17:26 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: huh. So all apps are now full-screen all the time? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: semi - there's always the marquee | 17:26 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: ah well, we'll see ... I'm sure the LCARS theme authors will probably switch to Mer at some point as well ;) | 17:26 |
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| ccooke | Stskeeps: ah ha. | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: see the png above | 17:26 |
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| ccooke | Stskeeps: so it's now a case of showing or hiding that? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | so you have the whole 800px width | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | rotation is also a lot nicer i guess | 17:27 |
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| Stskeeps | whole 640px | 17:27 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: is there a mer installer, for x86, like a disc I insert into a machine? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: no, it takes a bit more effort to make something like that :P | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: there's a guide for it on Mer/Documentation | 17:28 |
| xnt | so I have to extract the fs? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | and set up grub | 17:28 |
| ccooke | (Today appears to be 'interrogate Stskeeps' day) | 17:29 |
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| xnt | so I have to hook up an external cd rom to my eeepc download and extract the mer rootfs and setup grub | 17:29 |
| xnt | from a live cd | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: anyhow, noone says the sidebar has to be a hildons style sidebar | 17:30 |
| ccooke | (and as such...) Stskeeps: This is starting to get really quite interesting. From what I've read, Mer coexists nicely with Meamo? Might be worth grabbing a copy as long as I don't have to run it during the day :-) | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: yeah, dual-boot | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | you can flash to jffs2 too but it's not that good yet | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Sho_: lcars seem to implicate the toolbar is on the left in an application | 17:31 |
| ccooke | Right. Time I spent a while researching dual boot on the tablets, then :-/ | 17:31 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: well, check out http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: yeah, i know, ian hangs out in here occasionally | 17:31 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: http://synthesize.us/Image:PADD_media.png - the existing ITOS UI caters well to LCARS | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | yes.. i wouldn't be surprised if the sidebar was influenced by trekkies | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:32 |
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| xnt | qwerty12: :P | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: we'll see what happens. maybe we'll morph the code to take multiple hildon desktop layouts. i dunno | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | xnt, lol, what? :P | 17:33 |
| xnt | maEMO :P | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, hehe :p | 17:33 |
| xnt | heh | 17:33 |
| Sho_ | Stskeeps: Well, just keep us poor Trekkies in mind while you develop Mer. Consider we currently have no Trek series on TV, and the upcoming movie looks to be rather bad. The internet tablets are our only source of joy! ;-) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: i used to have entire TNG,DS9 and voyager laying around :P | 17:34 |
| Sho_ | Oh, I have all the DVDs as well ;) | 17:34 |
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| ccooke | Bah. Sometimes I wish I was less of a server-side type. There's a lot of interesting work going on here, but I doubt I can be any help :-/ | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt i can find interest in it, but i wouldn't mind a more pervasive computing angle to tablets. i mean, why shouldn't my tablets be a part of my existing home infrastructure | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | but that's maybe a longer term goal | 17:36 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: Interesting idea. | 17:36 |
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| ccooke | It's one that's already somewhat there, though | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:36 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: will advanced-power work in x86 | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | and why shouldn't my two tablets running mer be able to cooperate | 17:36 |
| ccooke | me and my wife use our tablets as remote controls, for instance | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: no | 17:36 |
| xnt | so I can't see my batter status? | 17:37 |
| xnt | *battery | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: with a bit of rewrite maybe | 17:37 |
| xnt | ok | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | and why shouldn't my tablet be able to use the power of the sheevaplug in the corner :) | 17:37 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Cool idea | 17:37 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: well, with avahi... | 17:37 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do you have a sheevaplug? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: no, but i am considering to get one | 17:37 |
| Myrtti | I so want one | 17:38 |
| ccooke | (it's often occurred to me that [lots of people] could do a lot more with avahi. | 17:38 |
| Myrtti | or the vigan whatever with xubuntu | 17:38 |
| ccooke | With a few standardised protocols, say, you could get an automatic remote control interface working | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | my current shopping list is rx-51, beagleboard (for home), sheevaplug and touch book | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:38 |
| ccooke | and that would be *fun*. | 17:38 |
| jeremiah_ | I want one too. | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: one thing i find interesting is that OSSO/hildon has support for hibernation | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | why shouldn | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | 't this be usable for moving state of the app to another machine | 17:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Touch Book? | 17:39 |
| jeremiah_ | Have to ask google | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yes, you have to | 17:39 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: um. Because that's a horrifically difficult proposition? :-) | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: http://gizmodo.com/5162584/always-innovating-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet-open-source-frankenstein | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: sortof. people are researching cyber foraging at my work atm | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | things like python stackless looks extremely interesting for stuff like this | 17:39 |
| ccooke | hibernation might get you able to move your entire running image from one identical machine to another, but you're still at serious risk of data loss if your storage isn't identical | 17:39 |
| ccooke | however, there have been tools to move unix *processes* between systems. | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and that's the problem of posix :) | 17:40 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, can't one do iSCSI and virtual machines with VLAN? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: think mobile beagleboard, part laptop, part tablet | 17:40 |
| ccooke | they're fraught with dangers and I haven't seen one that was actually maintained in the last five years, but they did work (for a limited class of things :-) | 17:40 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: But big, with a sorta weak processor. OMAP 3 | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yeah - and (at least) 10-12 hour battery lifetime | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | .. for 300$ | 17:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, that is actually a good deal | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | i want one. i dont want it to replace my tablet, but it would be useful for work | 17:41 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: indeed | 17:46 |
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| andre__ | sigh... people closing bug reports as invalid because it's less work than correctly reassigning them... nice attitude :-/ | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | andre__: nice | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade/bergie: seen the "duplicated hearts/favourites" on p.m.o and the right-side of /news/? | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | Oh no. My fault. | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | JS turned off. | 17:50 |
| bergie | Jaffa: yeah, it could degrade more nicely to those situations | 17:51 |
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| jeremiah_ | How waoping | 17:51 |
| jeremiah_ | whoops | 17:51 |
| jeremiah_ | how was linkoping_ | 17:52 |
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| jeremiah_ | Sorry I couldn't be there. | 17:52 |
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| z4chh | any gsoc mentors here able to answer a question about the maemo student proposal template? | 17:52 |
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| andre__ | z4chh, please don't ask to ask, just ask the question itself (though i'm not a mentor) | 17:53 |
| z4chh | andre__, well im looking more for someone to raise their hand..so i can pm them, it is kind of personal :P | 17:54 |
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| andre__ | ah, ok | 17:54 |
| z4chh | thanks though, ask to ask can be highly inefficient :D | 17:55 |
| z4chh | !ask | 17:55 |
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| z4chh | speaking of ask to ask...this is a funny question | 17:59 |
| z4chh | can i ask a question about asking a question? | 17:59 |
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| rkirti | z4chh, andre__ : May I join in if there are guidelines being discussed.I am applying as well and would be glad to get some pointers. | 18:00 |
| z4chh | rkirti, you a student? | 18:00 |
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| rkirti | z4chh, yes. [Computer Science, undergrad] | 18:01 |
| andre__ | if i remember correctly vdvsx was the main guy working on that, but not sure | 18:01 |
| z4chh | he is the org admin | 18:01 |
| z4chh | i was going to shoot him a pm, but he no here :'( | 18:02 |
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| lfelipe | z4chh: I'm helping to admin as well, what do you need ? | 18:26 |
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| jeremiah_ | Do people use Gizmo? | 18:36 |
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| jeremiah_ | Or do people not really care about video on their NITs? | 18:36 |
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| thopiekar | is someone of you familar with chroot? | 18:37 |
| till- | sometimes ppl use gizmo | 18:37 |
| till- | but the image quality is bad | 18:37 |
| thopiekar | aaah jeremiah_.. | 18:37 |
| thopiekar | I waited for you sooo long... | 18:37 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Hi there | 18:37 |
| * mgedmin would say that video on my NIT doesn't work well enough for me to care about it | 18:38 | |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Sorry, I have been traveling and haveing hardware issues | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | the google talk video calls work fine, but only if you recipient also has a NIT | 18:38 |
| * Stskeeps can't view video, or use canola in a reasonable manner on his n800 | 18:38 | |
| jeremiah_ | mgedmin till- okay, thanks for the info | 18:38 |
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| thopiekar | there is a package in extras-devel called graphviz.. it conflicts with libltdl3 (libtool)... | 18:38 |
| * mgedmin lost an r in his last sentence | 18:38 | |
| mgedmin | graphviz conflicts with libtool? hwy? | 18:39 |
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| thopiekar | I would like to fix that but sources of graphviz from ubuntu need mesa | 18:39 |
| thopiekar | there are files in graphviz which are also in libltdl.. | 18:40 |
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| till- | i used gizmo mainly to call home while i was on vacation | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | I'm sure you can remove that from build-depends: and the package will build | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | maybe with some tweaking of the ./configure line in debian/rules | 18:40 |
| till- | but with my mobile :) | 18:40 |
| jeremiah_ | mgedmin: Hmm, that is what makes maemo weird, it should not build if it does not have build-depends satisfied. | 18:40 |
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| jeremiah_ | That is what build-depends is for, creating a dependency on a package at build time | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | well, I'm assuming graphviz in maemo extras-devel was not build from pristine ubuntu packages then | 18:41 |
| jeremiah_ | mgedmin: What would it have been built from instead? | 18:41 |
| * mgedmin installs graphviz with no conflicts | 18:41 | |
| mgedmin | a good question | 18:41 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | ask the person who built it | 18:42 |
| jeremiah_ | So thopiekar, did you add a build-depends? | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, nope, binaries uploaded in a "source package" with cp in its rules... | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | I'd guess the package from debian, with maybe patches | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | I mailed with the maintainer of graphviz he told me that he rates him self as a noob in debianizing.. | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | ouch and yes, that explains it | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | YIKES, graphviz's deb ships /usr/lib/libltdl.so.3 !!! | 18:43 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: no but I'm thinking of making a newer package of ubuntu or debain.. | 18:43 |
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| * mgedmin apt-get removes it asap | 18:43 | |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Take it from debian first | 18:43 |
| jeremiah_ | Try and build it in scratchbox | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | would mud-builder help here? | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | it's supposed to make porting debian packages to maemo easy | 18:44 |
| thopiekar | I'm myself maybe not better than the maintainer of graphviz but I use others source-folders instead of making mayself starnge ones.. | 18:44 |
| jeremiah_ | I have little experience with mud-builder so I can't answer that. | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if it can do things like remove build-deps | 18:44 |
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| jeremiah_ | Removing build-depends should never work. | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I once built a vim package with mud, but it was a horrible package (version number: 70. Just '70'. no 7.0-1 or anything) | 18:44 |
| jeremiah_ | That line is designed to specify which package you need to build your package. | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | jeremiah_: it works when those deps are optional for the upstream sources | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | ./configure often checks for the presence of various libraries | 18:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | Then they should not be in build-depends | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | and builds optional components when those are present | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | debian wants to build those optional components always | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | it all makes perfect sense, really | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | debian splits optional parts into different .deb files, but wants to build all of them from a single source package | 18:46 |
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| mgedmin | otherwise it would be building the same sources again and again | 18:46 |
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| mgedmin | but if maemo doesn't have mesa (or opengl at all, at least currently), then we never want to build the optional opengl backend for graphviz | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | therefore maemo graphviz package shouldn't depend (or build-depend) on mesa | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | and if debian/rules explicitly says ./configure --with-mesa, then we should strip that out | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | that's assuming graphviz even uses autoconf | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | I haven't checked | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | I just sort of assume every self-respecting unix tarball uses autoconf nowadays | 18:47 |
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| jeremiah_ | Most tarballs do use autoconf it seems | 18:49 |
| * qwerty12 cries at midori using waf | 18:49 | |
| jeremiah_ | I don't understand thopiekar why you would want graphviz on the tablet. Do you have a use case? | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: wtf is waf | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | not actually jeremiah_ I only need it for a package needed for pulseaudio.. | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Some python autoconf wannabe | 18:51 |
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| qwerty12 | I remember the shit I had to do to get it to accept an extra define last time :( | 18:51 |
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| andre__ | geez. where in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ is the metalayer-crawler package?! am i blind, or am i just stupid? | 18:53 |
| * thopiekar hates it working with corrupt packages.. | 18:53 | |
| qwerty12 | andre__, it's closed source | 18:53 |
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| andre__ | qwerty12, i know, but there's still a non-free section | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, you want to reinstall it? | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | It's in the update repo | 18:54 |
| andre__ | theoretically :-P (= not me myself) | 18:54 |
| andre__ | update repo?! | 18:54 |
| andre__ | i want something http'ish :-) | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Going through the update repo means knowing nokia password but Eero has attached a newer version to a bug somewhere | 18:54 |
| andre__ | that wasn't browsable iirc... :-/ | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Download the packages file ;) | 18:54 |
| andre__ | yeah, that's the bug i refer to. ok. so i can't help... hmmpf | 18:55 |
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| * Myrtti hates her brain | 19:11 | |
| xnt | :P | 19:11 |
| * Stskeeps hates the lack of coffee, but is getting strangely addicted to this tea his gf brought home. | 19:11 | |
| Myrtti | I've got my own moka pot ā„ | 19:12 |
| * xnt hates asus for soldering on the ssd onto the motherboard | 19:12 | |
| Myrtti | a Real Bialletti one ā„ | 19:12 |
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| * xnt has compiz working out of the box for some strange reason | 19:13 | |
| xnt | on my eee | 19:13 |
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| xnt | http://xceleo.com/mer/eee-images/DSC02490.JPG ??? | 19:15 |
| xnt | stskeeps: mer+compiz? | 19:15 |
| * qwerty12 learns his lesson: don't leave dist-upgrading your scratchbox targets to the last minute. | 19:16 | |
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| Veggen | qwerty: I once had to let my Linux laptop compile a kernel while sitting in my backback on my way to a networking talk that depended on that kernel :) | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | Ouch :) | 19:18 |
| xnt | Veggen: :P | 19:18 |
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| xnt | in your backpack? | 19:18 |
| xnt | didn'y it overheat | 19:19 |
| Veggen | xnt: nah, it wasn't a very new and powerful one. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: not impossible, but then newer hildon-desktop would be more useful | 19:19 |
| * xnt will never put a laptop on in his backpack, especially one compiling a kernel | 19:19 | |
| xnt | Stskeeps: ok | 19:19 |
| xnt | brb | 19:20 |
| * xnt has to go to the router room to connect his ee to the internet to download the mer x86 image because ubuntu doesn;t have atheros drivers by default :P | 19:21 | |
| xnt | *eeePC | 19:21 |
| xnt | oh wait | 19:21 |
| xnt | damn usb cd :P | 19:21 |
| fireun | I put my laptop in a padded sleeve, it would certainly overheat if it was compiling a kernel there | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, this is almost for a movie | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk, there's a criminal case.. a woman who is a terminal cancer patient | 19:24 |
| * xnt once put his powerbook in his backpack, with the insomnia app (shuts off screen only) and I had an ssh session open , when I took it out it was extremely hot (as hot as a gpu heatsink when running a game such as crysis :P)) | 19:24 | |
| Stskeeps | who starts poisoning people around her | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | including her husband | 19:24 |
| xnt | :P | 19:25 |
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| * xnt has to run an ethernet cable from his router room to his eeepc | 19:25 | |
| * xnt wishes that his parents would let him put the router in his room :P | 19:25 | |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i had a cable upstairs and that was that | 19:26 |
| xnt | :P | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i even didn't have a cable until i was like 16 or something | 19:26 |
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| xnt | Im 14 and i have fios, who know when im 16 Ill have a 4GBPS up/down connection :P | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | no wifi? | 19:29 |
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| xnt | yeah | 19:29 |
| xnt | no wifi on my eee | 19:29 |
| xnt | but I have 3 wifi aps :P | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | ah, atheros | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | won't new ubuntu release have free drivers for that one? | 19:30 |
| * xnt hates asus for not putting an orinoco card on the eee | 19:30 | |
| * mgedmin thinks he might have heard something in passing | 19:30 | |
| xnt | mgedmin: 8.10? | 19:30 |
| mgedmin | 9.04 perhaps | 19:31 |
| * xnt just booted up 8.10 on his eee | 19:31 | |
| xnt | well... | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | intel wifi drivers are kind of nice | 19:31 |
| xnt | brb | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | at least when you run in managed mode | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea if ap mode is even possible | 19:32 |
| xnt | :P | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't madwifi do atheros? At least madwifi was used on my old Netgear DG834GT. | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | and adhoc had problems talking to my n810 | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: madwifi does atheros; madwifi isn't free (big binary blob in the middle), therefore probably disabled by default in ubuntu | 19:32 |
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| mgedmin | hey, doesn't ubuntu have all the restricted drivers on cd? installable with a single gui mouse click? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, aha, thanks, I was always under impression it was fully free | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | well, where I say "cd", read "the sd card that you copied your cd onto" | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: I think it may have recently rewritten to be fully free | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | madwifi.org is b0rked | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | s/.org/.net/ | 19:34 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: madwifi.net is b0rked | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | wait, it's .org in the url, but .net in the page title | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | waaah, b0rked | 19:35 |
| xnt | :P | 19:35 |
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| jeremiah_ | wow, gizmo video quality is pretty bad | 19:37 |
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| till- | yep :) | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | To be fair, the tablet isn't much cop wrt video playing anyway and the included camera is a joke :) | 19:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, I suppose it is more of a proof of concenpt for the next device. :) | 19:38 |
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| xnt | qwerty12: so the next nit will have an hd quality cammer | 19:42 |
| xnt | *camera | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I can't be arsed with rumors personally, I like to see the real thing :) | 19:42 |
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| xnt | ok :) | 19:43 |
| * xnt is hungry | 19:43 | |
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| * xnt gets a snack | 19:43 | |
| z4chh | shouldn't you be in school xnt >.< | 19:45 |
| xnt | z4chh: I don't have school, its a rating day :P | 19:47 |
| xnt | *today | 19:47 |
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| z4chh | xnt, where do you live? | 19:48 |
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| xnt | z4chh: NY | 19:49 |
| z4chh | cool :D | 19:49 |
| z4chh | in ohio with bman xD | 19:49 |
| xnt | :P | 19:49 |
| z4chh | im in* | 19:50 |
| khertan_mibbit_f | Hello ! | 19:50 |
| z4chh | khertan_mibbit_f, sup man | 19:50 |
| * khertan_mibbit_f is using mibbit on fennec | 19:50 | |
| khertan_mibbit_f | :) | 19:50 |
| khertan_mibbit_f | seems to work better than on micrpb | 19:50 |
| xnt | khertan_mibbit_f: hi | 19:51 |
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| khertan_mibbit_f | does there is some python guru in the room ? | 19:51 |
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| xnt | :P | 19:52 |
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| khertan_on_micro | fennec is unusable with this stuid gesture | 19:56 |
| khertan_on_micro | and the delete key binded to previous page is really a stupid idea | 19:56 |
| khertan_on_micro | how i delete a char on a word ! | 19:57 |
| khertan_on_micro | really silly idea | 19:57 |
| xnt | :P | 19:58 |
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| jeremiah_ | khertan_on_micro: Which version of fennec? | 19:59 |
| jeremiah_ | Did you pull it from the repos? | 19:59 |
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| xnt | is it alpha or beta? | 20:00 |
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| xnt | :P | 20:00 |
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| asasaki | speaking of, jeremiah_ X-Fade did you get a chance to get the beta in extras? =) | 20:05 |
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| benson | emoli | 20:06 |
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| benson | sry, wrong window | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | lo benson | 20:07 |
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| wazd | Hey everybody :) | 20:15 |
| wazd | http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw.html <- it works!) | 20:15 |
| wazd | Not dynamic though :( | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: thumbs up :) | 20:17 |
| jeremiah_ | asasaki: Not yet, I think we are still waiting from word from Mozilla | 20:18 |
| jeremiah_ | wazd: Two thumbs up! | 20:18 |
| asasaki | jeremiah_: i think stuart gave the thumbs up in email last week | 20:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Not sure if Niels has added the beta yet. | 20:18 |
| asasaki | k | 20:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | asasaki: Well, I had heard from Pavlov and from someone else that they were going to wait | 20:19 |
| jeremiah_ | I think they are shooting for this week | 20:19 |
| jeremiah_ | I am going to have to upload it by hand | 20:19 |
| jeremiah_ | And no one has contacted me about it yet so I don't think it is ready | 20:19 |
| asasaki | that was me =) we're ready... we released on ftp.mozilla.org last week | 20:19 |
| jeremiah_ | asasaki: Cool! :) | 20:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Great, I had heard something about documentation, but I guess that is resolved? | 20:20 |
| asasaki | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fennec/1.0b1/releasenotes/ | 20:20 |
| jeremiah_ | asasaki: Fabulous. | 20:20 |
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| asasaki | stuart was working on the above link | 20:20 |
| asasaki | anyway, when you get a chance. i know it's late over there. | 20:20 |
| jeremiah_ | asasaki: I have traveled to the US, so it is not late :) | 20:21 |
| jeremiah_ | I am in EST | 20:21 |
| jeremiah_ | I would like to co-ordinate with X-Fade however, so perhaps it will wait until tomorrow? | 20:22 |
| jeremiah_ | He is currently not around. | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | What fennec is in extra right now? apt-cache show fennec says "1.0b1" | 20:22 |
| Pavlov | ah, yeah, i think email was sent to x-fade | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw a fennec in extras | 20:22 |
| asasaki | jeremiah_: sounds good, thanks | 20:23 |
| Pavlov | jeremiah_: x-fade may have pushed it to extras | 20:23 |
| Pavlov | sorry for confusion! | 20:23 |
| asasaki | oh, cool | 20:23 |
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| jeremiah_ | No problem, I thought he might have | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | I have a vague memory of one of the browser things doing something dubious and not uninstalling cleanly | 20:24 |
| jeremiah_ | I was travelling so I think he went ahead and uploaded. | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | was that fennec or was it something else? maybe the webkit engine for microb | 20:24 |
| jeremiah_ | I will test it now actually. | 20:25 |
| Pavlov | ShadowJK: i don't think it is fennec, but who knows | 20:25 |
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| Myrtti | re skibur's quit message: NO IT'S EVEN | 20:25 |
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| yerga | fennec is in extras-devel from the 18th | 20:28 |
| yerga | here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/f/fennec/ | 20:28 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmmm. | 20:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Is that the latest? | 20:29 |
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| timelE61i | yOu guys only wanted releases | 20:29 |
| timelE61i | Not nightlies | 20:29 |
| timelE61i | So hopefully they aren't releasing releases more often than monthly :) | 20:30 |
| Pavlov | that looks like the right builds | 20:30 |
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| jeremiah_ | I thought that was supposed to go to extras, not extras-devel. | 20:31 |
| jeremiah_ | But I may be confsed. | 20:31 |
| jeremiah_ | confused even | 20:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Have to talk to X-Fade about it | 20:32 |
| Pavlov | yeah, was supposed to be in extras | 20:32 |
| Pavlov | heh | 20:32 |
| Pavlov | we'll sort it all out soon enough | 20:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Pavlov: Yes indeed. :) | 20:32 |
| timelE61i | did you guys figure out how to get it there w/o ruffling too many feathers? | 20:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | timelE61i: I suppose, my feathers certainly are not ruffled, but whomever has any ruffled feathers, please speak up! | 20:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | =) | 20:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | Has anyone installed fennec from extras-devel? | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | i just did | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | yup | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | help! | 20:43 |
| mgedmin | yes? | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's stealing focus like crazy | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | or was | 20:43 |
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| mgedmin | huh | 20:44 |
| jeremiah_ | It is not showing up here in apt or in AM. Hmmm | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I switched to xterm, i typed one or two chars, then xterm froze, fennec forced itself ontop | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | heh | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | microb also likes to do that | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | precisely twice | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | i switch back to xterm, manage to type anothe few chars, and fennec pops up again | 20:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | That is annoying. | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | fennec did it about 12 times before it stopped :( | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, extremely | 20:46 |
| jeremiah_ | fennec may be downloading items in the background and when it completes it lets you know, by stealing focus | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | well, 12 times is excessive | 20:46 |
| * Stskeeps dislikes stealing focus | 20:46 | |
| mgedmin | actually, even 2 times is 2 times too many | 20:46 |
| jeremiah_ | stealing focus is bad | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | notification, maybe, but not focus stealing :P | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | but there's probaby some holy book called "UI Spec" in a Nokia shrine somewhere that requires it... | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | flashing taskbar icon would be sufficient | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | "now the page is fully loaded" | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | firefox does it too | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | on desktop modern window managers disallow focus stealing by default | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | revolution time, get out your pitchforks | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | some of them do it badly | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | e.g. compiz lets firefox steal the focus, but not raise the window | 20:48 |
| ShadowJK | but most windowmanagers on linux desktop proper have focus theft prevention specifically for firefox | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | so I get a focused background window and I cannot see where my keys go | 20:48 |
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| ShadowJK | oh and it hasnt loaded the pahe i tried to load :) | 20:50 |
| mgedmin | yes, that's the most irritating thing: it steals focus before the page is ready | 20:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I cant figure out how to scroll in a page (this sentence interrupted 5 times by focus theft) | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | 6 | 20:54 |
| jeremiah_ | Sounds like time to file a bug or two | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:55 |
| asasaki | yup | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | panning? | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | now, if you figure out how to select text in an input box, tell me | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | it's all panning as far as fennec is concerned | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | or, better yet, how to get it to use a larger font size | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | it scrolled a bit with stylus tap-drag but then it went completely white and reloaded the page and placed me at the top again | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | +/- (or double-tap) work fine for zooming, but horizonal scrolling is incompatible with reading text | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: heh, directly missing microb again? ;) | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | i might add that microb loads the same page faster ;) | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | I got no response from the zoom keys | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | I have a feeling that fennec spends a noticeable bit of cpu scaling fonts (or perhaps images) | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | what page are you looking at? and how near are you to running out of RAM? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | that's the other thing fennec is good spending time on: swapping | 20:59 |
| sp3000 | ShadowJK: it thinks you double-tapped, probably | 21:00 |
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| ShadowJK | tablet got somewhat warm on the back so it was probably swapping | 21:01 |
| jeremiah_ | It would be good if you guys passed some of this info back to mozilla, this is a testing release and they will want the feedback. | 21:02 |
| ShadowJK | I think it needs to come with a tutorial video on how to use the interface | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | ShadowJK: Good idea actually | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: do you know of any tshirt sites that could make tshirts not unlike the mer wallpaper + logo, btw? | 21:06 |
| asasaki | ShadowJK: there are a couple videos here: http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/ | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | i know it's probably easier to do in hand with batique but .. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:07 |
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| born2wonder | hi all, my fn key isnt recognized in latest ubuntu (b-mans latest instructions), i tried instaling xkb-data from mer repo but that breaks my sys-env-x as it requires a newer version of xkb-data. any ideas? | 21:08 |
| born2wonder | fn key isnt recognized in xev as well | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | poke b-man to learn what version dependancies have of consequences :P | 21:09 |
| born2wonder | ok thanks | 21:10 |
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| ShadowJK | microb feels heavenish now :) | 21:14 |
| * ShadowJK guesses he needs more ram | 21:14 | |
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| VDVsx | hello :) | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | lo VDVsx | 21:18 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: nope, sorry( | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: k | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | alternative would be dark blue tshirt with logo i guess | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yo! VDVsx | 21:32 |
| lcuk | did you beat them up about the remote control thing last night | 21:33 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, nah | 21:33 |
| VDVsx | I don't like universal remotes too :) | 21:33 |
| * lcuk has a tcp remote control that just works here | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | it would be nice to add some other connection methods to it one day :) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | but i have no need just yet | 21:34 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, but talking about TV,Video, hi-fi, do you like a universal remote for everything, or just one for each of those :) ? | 21:39 |
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| VDVsx | some of the discussion was about it :P | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, sometimes i wish i had a remote for everything :) | 21:41 |
| xnt | :P this is the time I get home from school :) | 21:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 7:41? Your school sucks :P | 21:42 |
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| xnt | qwerty12_N800: over here its 3:40 :P | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, gathered :D :P | 21:53 |
| xnt | Im in NY where are you? | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | London :) | 21:53 |
| xnt | :P | 21:53 |
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| joyrider | is it normal that i still can't login in the maemo.org website when i created and actived my account on garage.maemo.org like yesterday | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | maemo.org & garage accounts are separate iirc | 22:00 |
| joyrider | yes but it doesn't allow one to create one on maemo.org it says to create a garage account and it should allow you to login in maemo.org after a few minutes | 22:01 |
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| joyrider | which it obviously doesn't (given it's an automated system) might be normal if it's not automated | 22:02 |
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| VDVsx | joyrider, do you have upper cases chars in your garage login ? | 22:07 |
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| joyrider | VDVsx no i used all lower case | 22:29 |
| VDVsx | joyrider, and when you log in maemo.org, what message do you got ? | 22:30 |
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| joyrider | Username or password was invalid. | 22:31 |
| joyrider | Note to new users | 22:31 |
| joyrider | If you just created your account in garage.maemo.org, try again in a few minutes.Thank you. | 22:31 |
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| joyrider | i can login in to garage just fine with same username and password though | 22:31 |
| VDVsx | humm,but garage works fine for you ? | 22:32 |
| joyrider | yes | 22:32 |
| VDVsx | you have to talk with x-fade :P | 22:33 |
| joyrider | ok | 22:33 |
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| soussou | hi | 22:48 |
| soussou | is there any one??? | 22:48 |
| VDVsx | hello soussou | 22:50 |
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| Neocognitron | Hello, I have an apparently odd issue when compiling the "gtk_helloworld" test program in Scratchbox/Maemo | 23:23 |
| Neocognitron | this is my error message upon attempting to compile: http://pastebin.com/d23e39b69 | 23:24 |
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| Neocognitron | and then scratchbox exits (logout) | 23:25 |
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| Terr[593] | ola | 23:29 |
| Terr[593] | alguien habla espaƱol | 23:29 |
| Neocognitron | any bites? | 23:30 |
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| mgedmin | I want a remote control for a N810 :-) | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | can I tell the osso media player to start playing an internet radio station over dbus? | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | set up anyremote & use your phone :P | 23:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | mgedmin: it should be possible | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | dbus is not easily introspectable from the cmdline | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | it'll be shorter for me to get my ass off the couch and walk to the other side of the room and push the button | 23:36 |
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| matahari | hi all | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.video.play_media string:"http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/realaudio/media/r1live.ram" | 23:36 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 is glad to see he has shortened his time to make dbus-send cmds | 23:37 | |
| mgedmin | hmm | 23:37 |
| mgedmin | when you add a multimedia bookmark, you get a dropdown choice: internet radio, or video stream | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | yet here I see you call video.play_media with a url that looks like radio | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | I suppose it doesn't matter to the backend? | 23:38 |
| matahari | i am having problems with dualbooting my n810. It worked for several months now, but today i switched the nokia off, and when switching it on again, it hangs at the Nokia screen with the progress bar. I am botting from external sd Card. I already took the card out of the nokia and run e2fsck on my laptop and indeed it found some broken inodes, but after fixing them it still won't work. Is there something i can do further? | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | how long does it hang? | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | perhaps it's simply the jffs2 garbage collector being busy? | 23:39 |
| Neocognitron | Any ideas on what is wrong with my scratchbox/maemo installation? | 23:39 |
| matahari | mgedmin: it hangs about 1 min and then reboots automatically (i can see the bootmenu again and select a different entry) | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | I've seen that with the jffs2 gc | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | it blocks the cpu so hard the watchdog reboots it | 23:39 |
| Neocognitron | scratchbox crashes with a segfault upon attempting to compile a simple GTK program (gtk_helloworld). | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | I think mine fixed itself after a couple of reboots | 23:40 |
| matahari | mgedmin: that means? | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | matahari: pulll the battery | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin: I guess not, this is just one of the default feeds and it's just an real audio stream if memory serves me correctly | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | then put it back | 23:40 |
| matahari | mgedmin: well, i am sure i rebooted it about 20 times now | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | try the battery thing then | 23:40 |
| Terr[593] | skyhusker | 23:40 |
| matahari | timeless_mbp: also with pulling battery outside it won't change | 23:40 |
| matahari | or do you mean removing the battery when booting (before it hangs)? | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | if that fails, maybe it's time to pull out the flasher and disable the watchdog? the wiki had instructions somewhere... | 23:41 |
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| Terr[593] | someone knows skyhusker | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matahari: tried booting with the charger plugged in? odd but such a simple action has saved my ass so many times | 23:42 |
| florian | re | 23:42 |
| florian | Terr[593]: a little bit... why? | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | my accesspoint probably implements power saving incorrectly... ssh to a n810 is painful | 23:43 |
| matahari | qwerty12_N800: you are my king for today | 23:44 |
| matahari | qwerty12_N800: IT WORKED!!!!!!! | 23:44 |
| matahari | :-) | 23:44 |
| matahari | thanks a lot | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, np :) | 23:44 |
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| * RST38h has finally got a new laptop | 23:45 | |
| matahari | thanks a lot guys! now i can go to bed and sleep calm :-) | 23:46 |
| RST38h | Ugly little thing, all fake aluminium with little shiny parts | 23:46 |
| matahari | bye! | 23:46 |
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| Neocognitron | anyone here with experience building apps in scratchbox? | 23:49 |
| fie | bradsucks.net | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. OSS Canola | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | the end times must be near! | 23:51 |
| fie | efin <3 | 23:51 |
| Neocognitron | or at least this: If I am having a problem with the dev-env, and I need to compile my own programs, but I am not modifying Maemo, -- should I subscribe to the developer's mailing list or the user's? | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | -developers | 23:53 |
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| Neocognitron | cool, thanks | 23:53 |
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