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| * xnt notices that dreamhost is slow today | 00:00 | |
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| xnt | b-man: http://blog.xceleo.com/?p=24 Updated :) | 00:01 |
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| z4chh | yo b-man, sup? | 00:02 |
| z4chh | glad to be done with ogt's? hahaha | 00:02 |
| z4chh | sophomores >.> | 00:03 |
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| xnt | :P | 00:04 |
| b-man16 | my tablet randomly locked up and rebooted XP | 00:04 |
| xnt | :P | 00:04 |
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| b-man16 | xnt: awsome btw | 00:05 |
| xnt | my ps3 does that when a game locks up, it three beeps then reboots | 00:05 |
| xnt | :P:P | 00:05 |
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| b-man16 | hmm :P:P:P | 00:06 |
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| * xnt would try the new instructions but his nit is still confiscated :( | 00:08 | |
| b-man16 | X( | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | xnt: what on earth did you do? :P | 00:08 |
| b-man16 | he brought it to his gym class and his teacher caught him when it fell out of his pocket | 00:09 |
| xnt | :P | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, trying to impress the girls | 00:09 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: :P | 00:09 |
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| b-man16 | xnt: are your parents going to get it? :P | 00:11 |
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| xnt | b-man16: well im not sure yet :( | 00:11 |
| b-man16 | :( | 00:11 |
| * xnt will probably die of boredom if he doesn't get his nit back | 00:12 | |
| b-man16 | do your parents know? | 00:13 |
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| Stskeeps | besides that, tablets are probably not happy about sweat | 00:14 |
| b-man16 | lol | 00:14 |
| xnt | yeah | 00:14 |
| b-man16 | hmm :( | 00:14 |
| xnt | I don't play a lot in gym | 00:14 |
| xnt | I mostly bike in the summer | 00:14 |
| * b-man16 does the same | 00:16 | |
| xnt | b-man16: where do you keep your n800 when you go to gym? | 00:16 |
| * b-man16 doesn't have gym - but i keep it in my backpack | 00:16 | |
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| * b-man16 does a LOT of running sports though XD | 00:17 | |
| xnt | I don't reccomend that you keep it there, I know a girl who had 3 psps (1 her own, 2 her friends), and they got stolen | 00:18 |
| xnt | XD | 00:18 |
| b-man16 | xnt: i keep my backpack locked away | 00:18 |
| b-man16 | ;) | 00:18 |
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| xnt | and if someone steals the bag? | 00:19 |
| xnt | oh ok neverminf | 00:19 |
| * xnt rereads the post | 00:19 | |
| * xnt has crappy school issued locks | 00:19 | |
| xnt | b-man16: have you seen this? http://lifehacker.com/5177329/synapse-brings-elegant-jabbergoogle-talk-to-linux | 00:20 |
| xnt | brb | 00:20 |
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| b-man16 | heh | 00:22 |
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| * xnt is running ubuntu jaunty notifications | 00:23 | |
| b-man | user-password stage? :) | 00:23 |
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| * xnt wants synapse maemo/mer/ubuntu port :) | 00:26 | |
| xnt | well it probabbly arlready runs on ubuntu | 00:26 |
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| b-man | synapse? | 00:28 |
| b-man | oh | 00:28 |
| xnt | *facepalm* http://lifehacker.com/5177329/synapse-brings-elegant-jabbergoogle-talk-to-linux | 00:28 |
| xnt | oh ok :P | 00:29 |
| deepwave | Ok, weird question... but... Is there anyway to open up the application menu on a N810 using only the keyboard? My touchscreen died. :( | 00:29 |
| xnt | :( | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | define died? | 00:29 |
| b-man | ouch :( | 00:30 |
| deepwave | As in the touchscreen doesn't react at all to the stylus. | 00:30 |
| deepwave | I think I'm going to need to send the device in for repair or replacement. But I'd really like to get some of the data off it, before I do. | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | and you're not just locked or something silly, right? :P | 00:32 |
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| deepwave | Nope. I wish that was the case. | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably a loose cable. | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | deepwave: and i don't presume you had bootmenu installed with telnetd on? | 00:34 |
| deepwave | Earlier I had the problem where the touchscreen would need to be recaliberated every time I unlocked it. | 00:34 |
| deepwave | I have ssh installed on it. | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | but it doesn't auto-connect? | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | or ssh on the bootmen | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | u | 00:34 |
| * b-man is curious about LFS (linux from scratch) | 00:35 | |
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| deepwave | Well I'll try to connect to it via ssh... if I can remember the default password for it. But I was wondering if there was some weird key combination I could use to open up the app menu and just use the arrow keypad and keyboard from there. | 00:36 |
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| Stskeeps | alt-f? dunno :P | 00:37 |
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| LoialOtter | Hi all... has there been any progress getting volume levels fixed for OS2008HE on the 770? | 00:38 |
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| deepwave | Alt-F? But there is no ALT key on an IT's keyboard. :P | 00:41 |
| b-man | xnt: have you ever herd of LFS? | 00:41 |
| xnt | b-man: http://xceleo.com/synapse/ :) | 00:41 |
| * xnt is googling | 00:41 | |
| * xnt is interested | 00:42 | |
| b-man | :) | 00:42 |
| b-man | it's whare you can make your own linux distribution | 00:43 |
| xnt | I want to create a distro which looks like the windows my school uses, so I can use linux right under the sysadmins nose :) | 00:43 |
| b-man | XD | 00:43 |
| xnt | Add two accounts one is just like my school account | 00:43 |
| xnt | then the second one which is a killer compiz desktop | 00:43 |
| b-man | lol | 00:44 |
| xnt | or I can Create xnt-linux and have the stealth version | 00:44 |
| b-man | xnt-linux hmm :) | 00:44 |
| xnt | :P | 00:45 |
| * xnt thinks of a cool linux distro name... | 00:45 | |
| xnt | b-man: what distro do you use btw | 00:45 |
| b-man | ubuntu | 00:46 |
| b-man | XD | 00:46 |
| xnt | :P | 00:46 |
| deepwave | xnt: How about CLD! Cool Linux Distro :P | 00:46 |
| xnt | same here | 00:46 |
| xnt | deepwave: :P:P:P | 00:46 |
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| deepwave | As a name that is. | 00:46 |
| xnt | I want something like stealth linux | 00:46 |
| xnt | :P | 00:46 |
| b-man | bluestar? :P | 00:47 |
| xnt | well ill see | 00:47 |
| * b-man thinks of a high-tech name | 00:48 | |
| xnt | http://paranoidlinux.org/ have you seen this | 00:48 |
| * xnt notices that the site has a 500 error :( | 00:48 | |
| b-man | yes, i've seen pandora | 00:48 |
| b-man | oh, wait | 00:49 |
| xnt | b-man: you mean paranoid linux :P | 00:49 |
| Proteous | oh hai | 00:49 |
| xnt | b-man: http://craphound.com/littlebrother/Cory_Doctorow_-_Little_Brother.htm | 00:49 |
| b-man | yeah, i was about to correct myself | 00:49 |
| xnt | CC book | 00:49 |
| xnt | Proteous | 00:49 |
| xnt | hi | 00:50 |
| xnt | b-man: hae you read it | 00:50 |
| xnt | http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ | 00:50 |
| Proteous | LINUX X-13 is the coolest!! | 00:50 |
| xnt | *have | 00:50 |
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| * b-man is reading it now | 00:50 | |
| xnt | :P | 00:51 |
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| b-man | hmm | 00:51 |
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| * b-man really wants to try LFS | 00:54 | |
| * xnt is trying it | 00:54 | |
| xnt | well is going t o try it in 3 mins | 00:54 |
| * b-man is getting the sorce | 00:54 | |
| xnt | *to | 00:54 |
| xnt | :P | 00:54 |
| b-man | brb | 00:55 |
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| deepwave | Stskeeps: Thanks. I managed to ssh into the device, and I'm just copying over my /home. So everything is cool. | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 00:58 |
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| xnt|lfs | deepwave: :) | 00:58 |
| b-man | xnt: lol | 00:58 |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 00:59 |
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| b-man | :P:P | 00:59 |
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| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:03 |
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| b-man | hmm | 01:11 |
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| * b-man hates his slow connection | 01:15 | |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:16 |
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| b-man | ...eta 50 m 15s :P | 01:24 |
| b-man | 9% | 01:25 |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:27 |
| * xnt|lfs is glad he has fios and an xps | 01:27 | |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:27 |
| * xnt|lfs is still reading | 01:27 | |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:27 |
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| b-man | :P | 01:28 |
| xnt|lfs | b-man: do we have to create a new partition? | 01:29 |
| * xnt|lfs is too lazy to repartition :P | 01:29 | |
| b-man | for lfs? you can probibly just make an image | 01:30 |
| xnt|lfs | so mkdir /dv/lfs/fs | 01:30 |
| b-man | shure | 01:30 |
| xnt|lfs | then later tar it? | 01:30 |
| b-man | yup | 01:30 |
| xnt|lfs | and extract to externel hdd and boot | 01:31 |
| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:31 |
| xnt|lfs | ok | 01:31 |
| b-man | xnt: i'd just make an image file to boot it - so you don't have to repartition your drive | 01:32 |
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| * b-man hopes it will build for armel | 01:34 | |
| b-man | it should | 01:34 |
| b-man | hmm 23% at 95kb/s - eta 44 m 36 s :P | 01:36 |
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| xnt|lfs | :P | 01:50 |
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| * xnt|lfs 's computer is running at full speed | 01:51 | |
| xnt|lfs | fans | 01:51 |
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| xnt | ok Im going to do this on monday with my poweredge | 01:52 |
| b-man | i'm back | 02:00 |
| * b-man notices his download has stalled at 66% :P | 02:00 | |
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| xnt | :P | 02:01 |
| b-man | update: download resumed - now at 70% :P | 02:02 |
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| b-man | xnt: compiling? :) | 02:10 |
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| xnt | well I was compilling gawk | 02:25 |
| xnt | Im rewatching http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-502 I want to make a hakhouse rover :) | 02:25 |
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| GAN800 | That's fun. Trying to play a movie crashed x. | 02:27 |
| xnt | same here :( | 02:27 |
| xnt | :P revision3 needs to update their player code | 02:27 |
| xnt | :P again | 02:28 |
| b-man | hmm :P | 02:28 |
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| xnt | rebooting... | 02:39 |
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| b-man | wb xnt | 02:43 |
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| * b-man goes by the book and builds binutils first | 02:46 | |
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| fireun | hmm, usually when you upgrade, you expect faster video | 03:06 |
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| FireFox16 | ~seen xnt | 05:14 |
| infobot | xnt is currently on #maemo (2h 31m 12s), last said: 'rebooting...'. | 05:14 |
| FireFox16 | :P | 05:14 |
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| Fledge | Anybody up for helping me out a bit? | 05:19 |
| z4chh | with what? >.< | 05:20 |
| Fledge | I'm messing with my nokia n810 and I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm trying to get ROMS onto it to use with the VGBA emulator and I don't know where to put them. | 05:21 |
| FireFox16 | hello, z4chh | 05:22 |
| * FireFox16 is in the middle of attempting to make his own linux distribution from scratch :) | 05:23 | |
| Fledge | So does anybody know what to do? | 05:23 |
| z4chh | /home/user/MyDocs should work fine | 05:24 |
| z4chh | FireFox16, very nice, LFS? | 05:24 |
| FireFox16 | yes :) | 05:24 |
| Fledge | Well, I plug it in with the USB cord it came with, and it comes up with a set of folders that I can't even see from inside of the device. I don't know how to get to the folders that the OS uses. | 05:25 |
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| z4chh | you probably see your sd cards | 05:26 |
| z4chh | you can put the files on there to | 05:26 |
| z4chh | and then when you open the file with the emulator...browse to either interal memory card or external memory card | 05:27 |
| Fledge | No, I don't have one in there right now. Basically VGBA is looking at just the nokia thing itself, and it lists "documents, games," etc and folders like that, but it doesn't list SD cards or anything | 05:27 |
| Fledge | and when I plug it in it gives me a set of folders I don't see on the device anywhere | 05:27 |
| * FireFox16 is getting annoyed by gcc extraction issues >.< | 05:28 | |
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| z4chh | what folders do you see? | 05:30 |
| z4chh | i always use scp to transfer files >.< | 05:30 |
| Fledge | Well maybe I should try that then | 05:31 |
| Fledge | how do I do that | 05:31 |
| z4chh | do you have sshd running? (openssh installed?) | 05:32 |
| Fledge | Haha I have no idea what that means, I'm a windows user and this nokia is the only linux based device I've ever come into contact with | 05:33 |
| ferdinand_ | heh | 05:33 |
| Fledge | Which is why I have no idea what I'm doing | 05:33 |
| ferdinand_ | :) | 05:33 |
| Fledge | and why I figured you guys could help :) | 05:33 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 05:33 |
| ferdinand_ | install maemo openssh server package, use winscp or putty scp from windows machine to transfer file | 05:34 |
| Fledge | Sweet, I'll try that. | 05:35 |
| Fledge | thanks | 05:35 |
| ferdinand_ | i imagine you'll also have to create a user before doing that | 05:36 |
| ferdinand_ | i don't actually own any of the nokia devices yet, just researching right now :) | 05:36 |
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| Fledge1 | So how do I connect to the n810 with PuTTY? | 05:52 |
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| tank-man | back to your original question ... the file manager hides the files inside ( like in windows hiding the files on c:) and only shows you the files in /home/user/.MyDocs (I think) | 05:56 |
| tank-man | Fledge1 | 05:56 |
| Fledge1 | VGBA gives me these folders to look through for roms | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Audio Clips | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Documents | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Games | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Images | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Video Clips | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | Shared Folders | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | and then when I plug it in with usb, all that's in the drive that pops up is | 05:57 |
| tank-man | do you have a sd/microsd ? | 05:57 |
| Fledge1 | .apt-archive-cache, backups, map, tmp, video, videocenter, .swap | 05:57 |
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| Fledge1 | I have an SD card right next to me but I don't think it fits those | 05:58 |
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| tank-man | well when you plug it in with usb, it looks like you have a microsd card insde right now | 05:59 |
| tank-man | is it? | 05:59 |
| Fledge1 | No, there's nothing in it | 06:00 |
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| Fledge1 | On stuff I read there was mention of an internal memory card and an external memory card | 06:00 |
| tank-man | ive never pluged mine into my usb port on pc except to flash it | 06:00 |
| z4chh | same | 06:00 |
| z4chh | :D | 06:00 |
| Fledge1 | What would you suggest for the roms then | 06:01 |
| Fledge1 | Do I need a microsd? | 06:01 |
| tank-man | Fledge1, make a windows shared folder and on your n810, it should be under "Shared Folders" | 06:01 |
| tank-man | shared folder on your desktop pc running windows xp | 06:02 |
| Fledge1 | Alright, and then afterwards is there a way to pull them from the shared folder onto the device? | 06:02 |
| tank-man | drag and drop from the file manager | 06:02 |
| tank-man | or select the files you want to copy, pick copy from menu, then paste where you want | 06:03 |
| Fledge1 | ok | 06:03 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 06:19 |
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| z4chh | hi | 06:21 |
| FireFox16 | hello, jeam | 06:23 |
| * FireFox16 really needs to sleep -_- | 06:26 | |
| FireFox16 | g'night all | 06:26 |
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| jaem | so... are there are any alternative OSes available for the N810 that are suitable for general use yet? | 07:07 |
| jaem | or even casual use? | 07:08 |
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| jaem | lol... good to see this in a howto: "Warning: This would save your data only, you'd get killed either way. If the data is more important than your life it would be stupid for you to rely on the information presented in this amateur document." | 07:09 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa | 10:21 |
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| timelE61i | fLedge: so... The n800 had two mmc slots. And usb behaviors relate to it | 11:14 |
| timelE61i | For the n810, one of those slots was replaced by a non-removable media | 11:15 |
| timelE61i | This is partially to simplify how things like maps work | 11:15 |
| timelE61i | maps would never fit on the "root filesystem", instead by default they're stored on that non-removable volume | 11:17 |
| GuySoft | however my OS never really fit 250MB of the internal anyway, so i had to install on the 2GB internal card my OS | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | The same general restrictions apply to the other folders you see when you plug your device in w/ usb | 11:18 |
| GuySoft | i would not be surprised if anyone else did it | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | tHe last important detail is that whichever "drives" are exposed over usb are not available to the device until it disconnects. | 11:20 |
| timelE61i | Can you imagine what would happen if that applied to the root file system? | 11:20 |
| timelE61i | oH... One other fun detail... | 11:22 |
| timelE61i | /home/user/MyDocs is the basic root of what you see in the tablet's filepicker. But the tablet is multi-lingual, so if you asked it to speak Finnish, it wouldn't show you a folder named "Games". The real folder's name is .games | 11:24 |
| timelE61i | And the display name for the folder is controlled by a translator | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morning MoonTiger | 12:00 |
| MoonTiger | hey!! :) | 12:00 |
| MoonTiger | just got back from the coast | 12:00 |
| MoonTiger | got to pack ready to move there in 2 weeks | 12:00 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, sounds like a good plan | 12:01 |
| MoonTiger | yah we found a place ON the beach | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 12:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Was there ever a more appropriately named company than Urban Tool? | 12:06 |
| MoonTiger | hey lcuk | 12:07 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 12:07 |
| lcuk | hiya MoonTiger \o hows tricks | 12:07 |
| MoonTiger | just told Stskeeps ... im moving to the seaside in 2 weeks ... living ON the beach :) | 12:07 |
| MoonTiger | cant get much better | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | itooh not bad | 12:09 |
| lcuk | -it | 12:09 |
| MoonTiger | yah madrid didn't work for me | 12:09 |
| MoonTiger | so the south coast it is | 12:09 |
| lcuk | are you living in a real house or a beachshack | 12:09 |
| MoonTiger | a real apartment with 2 bedrooms and all that stuff ... can get dsl there | 12:09 |
| MoonTiger | has electricity | 12:10 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 12:10 |
| timeless | BCN? :) | 12:10 |
| lcuk | heh, and at high tide you even have running water :D | 12:10 |
| MoonTiger | haha | 12:10 |
| MoonTiger | its literally 25yds from the ocean | 12:10 |
| MoonTiger | up a high enough bank that flooding should be no worries | 12:11 |
| lcuk | invest in a snorkle | 12:11 |
| MoonTiger | besidea we're on the 1st floor | 12:11 |
| timeless | 0 based? | 12:11 |
| MoonTiger | yup | 12:11 |
| MoonTiger | :) | 12:11 |
| MoonTiger | you can see some pics of the town on my website ... gagfoot.com/lauren | 12:12 |
| timeless | wow | 12:13 |
| MoonTiger | cool huh? | 12:15 |
| timeless | yes | 12:15 |
| lcuk | you're moving into the amphitheatre !!??!! | 12:15 |
| MoonTiger | haha yah | 12:15 |
| MoonTiger | thats actually cartagena ... we're moving to almeria | 12:15 |
| MoonTiger | we are members of couchsurfing.com so we travel around | 12:16 |
| MoonTiger | and we let ppl come stay for free too | 12:16 |
| lcuk | i think crashanddie is a couchsurfer too | 12:16 |
| MoonTiger | awesome | 12:17 |
| lcuk | sounds like a fun way to live | 12:17 |
| lcuk | or at least a cheap holiday | 12:17 |
| MoonTiger | cheap holidays for us | 12:17 |
| * Stskeeps notes to himself he doesn't understand hildon desktop theming anymore. | 12:18 | |
| MoonTiger | and we get to meet cool ppl | 12:18 |
| * lcuk notes to himself he never understood hildon theming | 12:18 | |
| lcuk | is it the theme, or the desktop app using the theme thats the problem | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | not entirely sure | 12:19 |
| lcuk | whats goin wrong | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | just the background of the app switcher buttons | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're slightly molesting the existing app switcher so | 12:23 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 12:33 |
| joyrider | hey | 12:34 |
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| MoonTiger | hey khertan! :) | 12:38 |
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| edbartosh | hi, do you happen to know whom to ask for help with maemo wiki? I'm unable to login there with my garage creds. | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, probably X-Fade and co | 12:55 |
| edbartosh | thanks | 12:55 |
| edbartosh | another question: where GSoc ideas are suppose to be discussed? I only found couple of messages in maemo-developers ml. Is there any special place for that or students are just not interested? | 12:56 |
| * Stskeeps pokes VDVsx for that | 12:57 | |
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| VDVsx | edbartosh, here is a good place, the ML is also a good place | 12:58 |
| VDVsx | lardman|gone, lcuk, fill your GSoC mentor profile asap, some changes will happens tomorrow :) | 13:00 |
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| edbartosh | VDVsx: where to fill it? | 13:04 |
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| VDVsx | edbartosh, if you are a GSoC mentor, you should have instructions for that in your e-mail :) | 13:05 |
| edbartosh | Not yet. But I'd like to be. What should I do? | 13:06 |
| VDVsx | edbartosh, is a little bit late now :( | 13:06 |
| edbartosh | Oops. Why? | 13:07 |
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| VDVsx | check you the GSoC timeline: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline | 13:08 |
| VDVsx | s/you/out | 13:08 |
| VDVsx | grrr | 13:08 |
| VDVsx | Mentoring organization application deadline -> 13 March | 13:09 |
| edbartosh | I can see only deadline for mentoring organization, not for mentors. | 13:09 |
| VDVsx | edbartosh, but if you are a mentor for other org, you can also join us | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: i see a 15 apr deadline that may apply better? i dunno | 13:10 |
| edbartosh | I'm not. I'd like to be a mentor for maemo. | 13:10 |
| edbartosh | I have an idea and would like to add it to maemo GSoc ideas list and so on. | 13:11 |
| VDVsx | edbartosh, I can try to do something | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | edbartosh: openssh port is much appreciated btw :) | 13:12 |
| edbartosh | Just in case it's needed. I'm long term maemo-community member. | 13:12 |
| edbartosh | Stskeeps: Thanks. How about evince and autobuilder :)? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | edbartosh: hehe, i've never touched evince and autobuilder is a good thing too ;) | 13:13 |
| VDVsx | edbartosh, pm ? | 13:13 |
| * Stskeeps continues hacking away at hildon-desktop | 13:14 | |
| edbartosh | VDVsx: gtalk? | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | edbartosh: I'm here.. | 13:15 |
| VDVsx | edbartosh, vdv 100 at gmail com | 13:15 |
| suihkulokki | Hi edbartosh :) | 13:15 |
| edbartosh | VDVsx: OK. bartosh at gmail.com | 13:15 |
| edbartosh | suihkulokki: Hi | 13:15 |
| suihkulokki | I think the Apr 15th (when proposals are sent to google) is the deadline for mentors | 13:16 |
| suihkulokki | Atleat that would match the case laste year (I was mentoring in debian project) | 13:16 |
| edbartosh | Cool, I'm not late then! | 13:17 |
| VDVsx | suihkulokki, nop, who review the proposals and select them in that case ? :P | 13:17 |
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| edbartosh | wazd: Hi! | 13:18 |
| wazd | edbartosh: oh! Hello there!) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | morning waz | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | d | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui2.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | (warning: work in progress) | 13:20 |
| wazd | http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw_demo.html | 13:23 |
| wazd | working demo! xD | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | Pretty :) | 13:24 |
| wazd | It can't load weather from the website but beleive me it really works on my desktop) | 13:24 |
| wazd | I'll try to figure out why there's the problem | 13:24 |
| suihkulokki | VDVsx: mentoring organization (so some mentors have to be signed up already) | 13:25 |
| wazd | Spent whole day learning ActionScript 3 :) | 13:26 |
| derkaiser | hello all~ | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what's the word on hardware keyboard detection? | 13:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I think close button on the right is too far away from right border :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hmm? | 13:29 |
| wazd | derkaiser: hello | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, there's something weird going on, it's very appearant on one of the screenshots | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, it's kinda a pain having the vkb pop up all over the place on a device that has a hardware keyboard and doesn't have a touchscreen. ;) | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah, yes | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | at least the enter button works now in that scenario, heh | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the problem is really that all the things we assume to be normal maemo behaviour of VKB is actually closed source :P | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | so someone needs to step up and work on replacements | 13:32 |
| GAN800 | Bleh, that | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. or wait for a thumb keyboard | 13:32 |
| GAN800 | 's obnoxious | 13:32 |
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| GAN800 | The h-i-m open sourcing was less generous than it was made out to be then, eh? ;) | 13:33 |
| GAN800 | We should harass them about it a bit | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | well the framework is fine | 13:35 |
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| Macer | hm. i wonder how difficult it would be to distill dxm from this bottle of couth syrup | 13:36 |
| Macer | it has 15mg in it... it probably isn't worth it :) | 13:36 |
| Macer | oh.. that's per tablespoon | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | next up: children and youth cheesing | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | Heh, the 118 247 advert uses the Magical Trevor theme :) | 13:41 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, you want to imagify the images in your desktop spec? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: the wiki is acting up and showing stuff in the rendered page that isn't in source atm, heh | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm going to clean it up when it actually fits what we have | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ooh, congrats on chair | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta :) | 13:53 |
| Macer | next up: children and youth cheesing | 13:53 |
| Macer | haha | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can all go sit on Jaffa now. ;) | 13:53 |
| Macer | i just thought it was kind of funny that this stuf has such a high concentration of dxm | 13:53 |
| Macer | there was a guy a long time ago who was selling pills of it on ebay | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, use thumb instead of 100px | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it makes awkward boxes | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | but if you want to shine it up, feel free - i'm not a wiki master :P | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | just wanted to upload it before it got lost in a horrible radikal.ru crash:> | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine, fine. :P | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slonopotamus | 14:14 |
| slonopotamus | if 15:15 can be treated as morning... then morning, Stskeeps :) | 14:15 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i still wonder how you compile x-v-o without stdint.h include :) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no clue. it does. :P | 14:17 |
| Khertan | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/7/7a/Mer_Theme_Outline.jpg <- is it a mockup or the actual look ? | 14:17 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, but it can't :) | 14:17 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, maybe your gcc is cheating? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: mockup, but http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | we're in the midst of implementing it | 14:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui2.png | 14:19 |
| wazd | http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw_demo.html <- I guess noone can see actual weather here?( | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: correct | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | wazd, thats very impressive but how will it work on device | 14:25 |
| wazd | and it writes "transfering data from xoap.weather.com..." on the bottom | 14:25 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's not for the device) | 14:25 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's UI prototyping | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: test it? :P | 14:26 |
| wazd | I laggs very much on nokia btw) | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | it shouldnt, its only because you are doing a solid transformation | 14:26 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's because of heavy alpha-channeling | 14:27 |
| lcuk | its not that heavy | 14:27 |
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| wazd | lcuk: for flash on the tablet it is :D | 14:28 |
| lcuk | also, the direction feels wrong somehow, when you click the mini desktop widget shouldnt the background zoom in slightly | 14:28 |
| lcuk | (its VERY effective btw) | 14:28 |
| wazd | Anyway, it's not for tablet :) | 14:29 |
| wazd | lcuk: no it shouldn't :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | zooming in to focus on the content? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | or have you taken it as stepping back to see the bigger picture :) | 14:32 |
| wazd | it acts like maemo5 does now) | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, reading about chernobyl disaster.. happened at 1:23.45am O_o | 14:37 |
| lcuk | wazd the apps themselves dont but i see your point - the menu is layered, id missed that effect :) | 14:38 |
| RzR | Stskeeps: sounds like if it was joke that turned bad | 14:39 |
| lcuk | :O sts | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | RzR: nah, just makes me wonder if there was some debugging code gone bad :P | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | code? you think they had code... | 14:39 |
| lcuk | wazd, if its not for the tablet whats its for then o_O is the new device using flash by default | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: debugging code in the handswing.. :P | 14:40 |
| lcuk | the egyptians had code, it just wasnt driven by silicon | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | Wasn't the issue that they put a bunch of coal powerplant operators running a nuclear powerplant, and had them conduct tests which involved throttling the plant up and down repeatedly (which that type of plant can't cope with), and disconnecting itself from the external grid to see how long they could supply their critical systems with the inertial power stored in the generators? | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | i thought it was catalog of problems and no single action caused it | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | right | 14:41 |
| lcuk | at least now they have a massive wildlife reserve :) watching the deer jumping over houses and getting caught in the 25 foot spiders webbs is impressive | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | actually there are less insects than before | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | But there's a large amount of wild horses roaming free | 14:44 |
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| rahul_cool | hello everybody | 15:17 |
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| rahul_cool | i have problem in installing sdk | 15:18 |
| rahul_cool | when i gave dis command sudo sh ./maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh -u user | 15:19 |
| rahul_cool | it says sh: Can't open ./maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh | 15:19 |
| rahul_cool | i am using ubuntu 8.10 | 15:21 |
| rahul_cool | any one here | 15:22 |
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| ShadowJK | That's funny, Nokia's device specs page claims N800 has qwerty keymat :-) | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | I guess besides things missing after they redid the site, now there's things outright wrong too :/ | 15:32 |
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| joyrider | hey guys, i've setup a small repository with my game deb's now i created a .install file which works fine but since my games depends on libsdl_gfx and lib_sdlttf i was wondering if it's possible to add multiple repositories to the .install file ? (like my repository where the actual game is and the maemo extra's repositry where the dependencies can be located from) | 15:40 |
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| joyrider | so that when somebody opens the install file both my repo as the maemo extras repo gets added to their repo list | 15:40 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, it should be related to exec premissions | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | What about putting the games into maemo extra's? :-) | 15:41 |
| joyrider | i would if i knew how :) | 15:41 |
| rahul_cool | no i have changed it | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~upload-extras | 15:42 |
| infobot | well, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 15:42 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, remove the ./ | 15:42 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, sudo sh maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh -u user | 15:42 |
| rahul_cool | ok i try | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: since you've packaged the games properly, you're already 1/2 way there | 15:42 |
| joyrider | i see will check out the page | 15:43 |
| rahul_cool | command not found | 15:44 |
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| rahul_cool | sorry something is going on | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u USER sorry :( | 15:45 |
| rahul_cool | ok | 15:45 |
| rahul_cool | cant open | 15:46 |
| VDVsx | ?? | 15:46 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | did you download maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh? :P | 15:47 |
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| VDVsx | rahul_cool, are you trying to install the maemo SDK for diablo or for fremantle ? | 15:49 |
| rahul_cool | i m new to this ... | 15:51 |
| rahul_cool | i m just trying to install the environment so that i can see the project in ehich i m intersted | 15:52 |
| VDVsx | rahul_cool, you have to follow one of this tutorials: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.2/INSTALL.txt (diablo) or http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ (fremantle) | 15:53 |
| VDVsx | more info here: http://maemo.org/development | 15:53 |
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| joyrider | ok requested upload privelidges will have to wait now :) guess i'll remove my repo then it's of no use if i'll get to upload to maemo extra's | 15:54 |
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| joyrider | i do have one more question how does one get an icon to show in the deb file itself i mean some of the package show an icon in the package manager whereas others show a default icon | 15:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: base64 encode a 26x26 png and add it to your control with the field of "XB-Maemo-Icon-26" | 15:57 |
| joyrider | ok thanks | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | XB-Maemo-Display-Name is also nice | 15:58 |
| VDVsx | joyrider, more info here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html#SECTION001427000000000000000 | 15:59 |
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| joyrider | ok thanks guys | 15:59 |
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| rahul_cool | Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:08 |
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| rahul_cool | Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) | 16:09 |
| Jasu_M | are you running apt-get or aptitude or synaptic etc? | 16:10 |
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| rahul_cool | i sudo apt-get update | 16:10 |
| Jasu_M | there can only be 1 apt-get/synaptic/other package management thingie running simultaneously | 16:11 |
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| Jasu_M | the maemo sdk installer runs apt-get too | 16:11 |
| rahul_cool | ok... | 16:13 |
| cpmgdb | Hi. I've just been prompted to upgrade easy-deb-chroot to 0.9.17 and it fails to install. Running apt-get from a terminal returns the following: easy-deb-chroot.postinst: line 133: syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi"). Anyone else see this? Thanks. | 16:16 |
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| thopiekar_vm | hi again.. | 16:24 |
| thopiekar_vm | where is jeremaid ?! ( X-Fade ) | 16:25 |
| thopiekar_vm | I'm still waiting for him a whole week long to fix the graphviz|libltdl (libtool) problem.. | 16:27 |
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| thopiekar_vm | hi lcuk | 16:27 |
| lcuk | hi \o | 16:27 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, you hollered yesterday | 16:27 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, did what? | 16:28 |
| lcuk | wanted me | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Called for him, G. | 16:28 |
| slonopotamus | ah | 16:28 |
| thopiekar_vm | :P | 16:28 |
| * lcuk laughs at the qwerty_translation_service | 16:28 | |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i segfaulted drawing app in liqbase by applying doubletouch to it :) | 16:29 |
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| * lcuk raises an eyebrow, did it give a "BAD TOUCH!" error message? | 16:29 | |
| lcuk | what do you mean applying doubletouch | 16:29 |
| slonopotamus | nope, just died | 16:29 |
| lcuk | locked up completely? | 16:30 |
| slonopotamus | err... i put 2 fingers on screen | 16:30 |
| lcuk | or you crashed it! | 16:30 |
| lcuk | oh that wont have been the cause | 16:30 |
| lcuk | that just moves the cursor | 16:30 |
| lcuk | deeper issue maybe | 16:30 |
| lcuk | i did the testing for multitouch on there before applying it - it just lets you see where the COG is, its not danger | 16:30 |
| slonopotamus | hmm. doesn't crash anymore | 16:32 |
| * thopiekar_vm has fresh sources from fremantle and ubuntu to upload to mea into diablo's extras-devel, such as glib, bluez and libasound.. but jeremaid idn't on to test these packages before I can upload them.. | 16:33 | |
| thopiekar_vm | *isn't | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar_vm: that sounds like a recipe for disaster | 16:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Upload glib? You know how much shit will break? | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hence my "recipe for disaster" | 16:34 |
| thopiekar_vm | Stskeeps yes.. know (now) how simple it is to break others builds on mea so I would better ask him before uploading them.. | 16:34 |
| thopiekar_vm | qwerty12_N800: yes I know.. | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar_vm: last time someone tried to upload any bluez related stuff he got nearly decapitated | 16:35 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, which build are you using, the one from the repo | 16:35 |
| lcuk | or from source | 16:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Extras isn't a project to update diablo's libs & programs. | 16:35 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, repo | 16:35 |
| lcuk | thats odd you have a problem then, ive got thousands in there and i make sure its "strong" | 16:36 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar_vm, bluez stuff > 3.6 will break all the diablo bluetooth stuff :P | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, your gmail account requires your attention :P | 16:40 |
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| * lcuk checks | 16:41 | |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: how is it done anyway? a project gets a certain allocation on number of students? | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup, depends on the number of students that apply for this project | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | after that the mentors and backup mentors choose the best projects | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I expect something around 10 slots for students, just a guess :P | 16:44 |
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| thopiekar_vm | VDVsx: hmm I want to build pulseaudio (0.9.14) into diablo, but if there is no way to get a newer version of bluez I should build it without bluez support.. | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar_vm, bluez 4.0 introduce a lot of changes, d-bus api, services, ... | 16:45 |
| thopiekar_vm | btw. why is it so simple to break the system with fresh libs? I uploaded libasound and installed it by apt-get --reinstall install libasound2.. and my device itsn't restarting now.. | 16:46 |
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| thopiekar_vm | hi b-man | 16:46 |
| * timelE61i kicks S60 | 16:46 | |
| timelE61i | it does a great job of background killing apps i need | 16:47 |
| b-man | lol | 16:47 |
| timelE61i | While keepng apps i don't need | 16:47 |
| b-man | heh | 16:47 |
| timelE61i | Irc? Kill. Address book? Keep. Web w/ no useful history? Keep | 16:48 |
| thopiekar_vm | could someone give me a logical answer to my question above? | 16:48 |
| inz | timel, it's optimized for user annoyance | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: it's turning into an iphone. | 16:48 |
| timelE61i | I think it also killed maps, although i'm not certain | 16:49 |
| * b-man resumes building LFS on his tablet | 16:49 | |
| timelE61i | Sts: i got these s60 things when nokia told me they were multimedia computers | 16:49 |
| timelE61i | ... A coworker noted we haven't been told that recently | 16:50 |
| timelE61i | Sts: an iphone would come w/ apps that use remote hosting for network connections | 16:51 |
| timelE61i | So if the app closed, when it opened again it could get the irc scrollback and not have lost the irc presence | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 16:52 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar_vm, the new packages aren't retro compatibly, probably (this happens between bluez 3 and bluez 4 for e.g) | 16:52 |
| timelE61i | The design rules w/ iphone are clear, so apps are built around the constraints | 16:52 |
| timelE61i | S60 devs otoh drink the cool aid | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | i must honestly admit that i'm not sure that posix will settle well in a pervasive computing world | 16:53 |
| timelE61i | Which everyone admits tastes awful | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | and there's needs for layers above it | 16:53 |
| timelE61i | Oh, posix sucks | 16:54 |
| thopiekar_vm | hmm.. thanks VDVsx | 16:54 |
| timelE61i | C.f. Ext4 promises about file i/o | 16:54 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, we'll write something, maybe. | 16:54 |
| thopiekar_vm | who of you was working on the a2dp support for diablo.. | 16:54 |
| timelE61i | Why don't you fsync() every ns ;) | 16:54 |
| timelE61i | We're cheating for a perf win | 16:54 |
| lcuk | we have ns timers now :D | 16:55 |
| timelE61i | Because we're too shortsighted to realize this arms race only leads to the nuclear option: fsync() | 16:55 |
| timelE61i | Idiots. | 16:55 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 16:56 |
| * thopiekar_vm don't mean johnx' method.. he is searching for the man, who had a2dp-support working from fremantle.. | 16:56 | |
| thopiekar_vm | hi Khertan | 16:56 |
| lcuk | hi there khertan | 16:56 |
| timelE61i | If they think things are bad now when only a few apps call sync, and they are trying to improve perf by cheating | 16:56 |
| timelE61i | Just wait until each api call includes a sync | 16:56 |
| timelE61i | And posix won't let them cheat as much there | 16:57 |
| Khertan | 'lu lcuk | 16:57 |
| timelE61i | -- actually, iirc apple's sync already cheats | 16:57 |
| * Khertan is waiting the subs for the zode of Battlestar Galactica | 16:57 | |
| Khertan | apple's sync ... <= not possible | 16:57 |
| timelE61i | Zode? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | i like the idea of networked irc :D shall we call it twotter or twatter or something | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | twatter.. | 16:58 |
| timelE61i | Lcuk: sp3000 already uses it | 16:58 |
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| Khertan | ha hum ... it s how who name 'an episode of a tv serie'' on some network in french | 16:58 |
| lcuk | Khertan, if you get the translations, dont post them i still havent seen it | 16:59 |
| timelE61i | what's wrong w/ the original english? | 16:59 |
| timelE61i | Would yu prefer klingon? | 16:59 |
| Khertan | lcuk: héhé if i say that it s because i don't want someone else say how it s end | 16:59 |
| * lcuk once redid the credits for star wars - i translated it from sci-fi into human for the missus | 16:59 | |
| timelE61i | wow | 17:00 |
| Khertan | timelE61i: if i can understood it more than english why not | 17:00 |
| timelE61i | Have you seen the en to chinese to en of star wars? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:00 |
| timelE61i | Khertan: understAnd :( | 17:00 |
| lcuk | everyone sounds like yoda except yoda himself :D | 17:00 |
| Khertan | timelE61i: :) | 17:01 |
| timelE61i | I haven't watched it all the way, i need to catch it someday | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | i was a bit lost when starbuck came back from the dead | 17:01 |
| * timelE61i rhymes to pass the times | 17:01 | |
| Khertan | lcuk: same | 17:01 |
| timelE61i | hey, no spoilersd | 17:02 |
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| Khertan | :) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | that was about 2 years ago | 17:02 |
| timelE61i | what can i say? .fi is way behind :) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | and spoiler avoidance has an expiry date | 17:02 |
| Khertan | on fr channel wee have just see the pilot and nothing more | 17:03 |
| Khertan | -e | 17:03 |
| timelE61i | were you around when i mentioned seeing the dancing baby? | 17:03 |
| lcuk | babies can dance? | 17:03 |
| * timelE61i wonders if that ever landed in france | 17:03 | |
| Khertan | lcuk: in a mixer ... of course | 17:03 |
| timelE61i | lcuk: is that reference truly foreign to you, or are you too young? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | i gather you mean oogachacka | 17:04 |
| Khertan | timelE61i: you are one of the guy with an access to bugs.maemo.org ? right ? | 17:05 |
| Khertan | is it possible to ask you how it s possible to migrate things from garage bugtracker to bugs.maemo.org ? | 17:05 |
| timelE61i | Yes i have access | 17:06 |
| timelE61i | And i'd do manual migration | 17:06 |
| Khertan | as i would like that all my project bugstracker stuck in the same place | 17:06 |
| Khertan | timelE61i: ouch | 17:06 |
| Khertan | so will do it myself :) | 17:06 |
| Khertan | +i | 17:06 |
| timelE61i | ok | 17:07 |
| timelE61i | Do you need any projects created? | 17:07 |
| Khertan | is it possible that you open a project for mCalendar | 17:07 |
| Khertan | PyGTKEditor | 17:07 |
| timelE61i | Speak now or wait for me to deChlorinate | 17:07 |
| Khertan | mTodos | 17:08 |
| lcuk | why does a browser take so long to open | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: while you're at it, can you add 0.10..0.14 versions of Mer? | 17:08 |
| timelE61i | Yes | 17:08 |
| Khertan | pls :) | 17:08 |
| Khertan | thx | 17:08 |
| Khertan | there isn't any urgency | 17:08 |
| timeless | khertan: do you need www or just generale? | 17:09 |
| timeless | sts: do you need vers and tm's to 0.14? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | tm's? | 17:10 |
| timeless | target milestones | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | i just realized we are having internal 0.10 snapshots but no 0.10 version :P | 17:11 |
| Khertan | timeless: what do you mean by www ? | 17:12 |
| Khertan | a web site ? | 17:12 |
| timeless | yes | 17:12 |
| Khertan | i just need the tracker :) | 17:12 |
| timeless | mnotes has general and website | 17:13 |
| Khertan | thx | 17:13 |
| Khertan | oh ? | 17:13 |
| Khertan | haven't see :) | 17:13 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=mNotes | 17:13 |
| timeless | see the component field | 17:13 |
| Khertan | ah ok | 17:13 |
| Khertan | nope just general | 17:13 |
| Khertan | is enough | 17:14 |
| Khertan | thx | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, what irc client do you use on S60? | 17:15 |
| Khertan | does it s available for s40 ? :) | 17:16 |
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| ShadowJK | There's jmirc and wlirc for s40/j2me | 17:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan: Pretty sure j2me clients exist | 17:17 |
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| Khertan | ah thx | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | ime with mirggi on s60, when s60 tries to kill mirggi, it thinks it's user quit, and asks if I'm sure. It stays alive waiting for me to answer :-) | 17:17 |
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| ShadowJK | unfortunately mirggi has a tendency to crash on its own too, without murerous assistance from s60 :) | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | s/murerous/murderous/ | 17:19 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: unfortunately mirggi has a tendency to crash on its own too, without murderous assistance from s60 :) | 17:19 |
| timeless | um | 17:19 |
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| timeless | where's the mtodos thing in garage? | 17:19 |
| timeless | shadowjk: /ctcp version timelE61i :) | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | right :-) | 17:19 |
| timeless | oh yes, mirggi will kill itself if it tries to connect to a network and my nick is taken | 17:20 |
| timeless | even if i have open connections to other servers | 17:20 |
| timeless | (very nice of it) | 17:20 |
| * timeless pokes Khertan | 17:20 | |
| * Khertan have just been poked | 17:21 | |
| ShadowJK | Also sometimes it stops updating the chat window, and network input gets queued up. Then when you try type something it suddenly realizes there's stuff to add to the chat window, and it starts rendering chat at a pace slower than xchat, which I had previously thought was the ultimate fubar in slow rendering :-) | 17:21 |
| Khertan | seems i ve forgotten to open a garage project ... | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect that if it stays long enough in the not-rendering-anything state, it eventually crashes when there's too much queued up | 17:22 |
| timeless | khertan: ok, i'll assume it has the obvious names | 17:23 |
| Khertan | project just submitted ... | 17:23 |
| Khertan | the unix name is mtodos | 17:24 |
| Khertan | and official one is mTodos ... | 17:24 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:24 |
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| timeless | ok, i think i've got all of them | 17:25 |
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| b-man | wb Meizirkki | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | putty s60 port and irssi in screen works nicely for persistent state.. though it might be quite cumbersome without qwerty keypad :) | 17:28 |
| Meizirkki | hi, b-man | 17:28 |
| Khertan | thx timeless | 17:28 |
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| timeless | shadowjk: what bothers me about that is that it resets my screen dimensions | 17:29 |
| timeless | but yes, in a pinch i can use it | 17:29 |
| timeless | (this session is in a screen) | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 17:29 |
| timeless | anyone else need a project? | 17:29 |
| Khertan | does there is someone which have time to spent to compile and push gtksourceview to extras-devel | 17:29 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:29 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, irssi/screen does seem to scale gracefully for me, considering I use it both in S60 where I'm constantly flipping between portrait and landscape, and on N810 where the Sticky key and word suggestions bar pops up and vanishes regulary, changing window size | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | having the screen session attached on more than one device/computer at a time seems less of a success story though :) | 17:31 |
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| timelE61i | your s60 dims must not match mine | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | E70 | 17:32 |
| timelE61i | my concern is that you get the narrowest or widest col count | 17:32 |
| * sp3000 turns off the bar features, they're just a distraction when you have a hw kb imo | 17:32 | |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 17:33 |
| timelE61i | Plus pay for a stupid (expensive) reflow | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | switching between portrait/landscape does cause a redraw for me | 17:33 |
| sp3000 | yeah, when roaming you hope you could pay for a screen reflow in cash, it'd lighten the load | 17:33 |
| timeless | speaking of getting ripped off | 17:34 |
| timeless | i went to that pool | 17:34 |
| timeless | 4.40 eur bought me entrance | 17:34 |
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| timeless | 2.00 eur bought me a towel (one time use, non refundable) | 17:34 |
| timeless | and together that got me to the pool where the life guard insisted that swim trunks aren't ok in the pool | 17:34 |
| timeless | there's a sign in the locker which says no swim suit in the sauna | 17:35 |
| timeless | whereas the sign for the pool says something about shorts | 17:35 |
| timeless | but it was a changing area, so i didn't feel right taking photos of the signs | 17:35 |
| timeless | oh, and the sign for the sauna (in English) was nowhere near the sauna | 17:35 |
| b-man | lol | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | where was this? | 17:35 |
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| timeless | it's like sticking a 'you must wear a seatbelt' sticker inside the trunk of a car | 17:36 |
| timeless | http://www.hel.fi/wps/portal/Liikuntavirasto_en/Artikkeli?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/Liv/en/sports+facilities/swimming+halls/ruoholahti+kuntotalo+swimming+hall | 17:36 |
| timeless | oh, to complete the analogy | 17:36 |
| sp3000 | well, if you were to travel in the trunk, you might still want to consider a seatbelt, right? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: maybe it was for pushing tourists towards a sauna with lower degrees, to avoid heart attacks? :P | 17:37 |
| sp3000 | trunkbelt, whatever | 17:37 |
| timeless | the car would have dozens of stickers all over the place, most of the stickers aren't in English | 17:37 |
| timeless | sts: nope, there are only two, and given that i've been in one and it was single sex, i'm fairly certain i know where the other one is | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:37 |
| timeless | it's odd, there were i think a total of 2 signs in the entire building in English | 17:38 |
| timeless | which didn't include the elevator (you need to get to the fourth floor to get to the pool) | 17:38 |
| timeless | or the lobby of the fourth floor (you need to go along side the upper area of a basketball/socker court to get to the lockers for the pool | 17:39 |
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| timeless | don't get me wrong, it's nice to have a pool | 17:39 |
| timeless | but well | 17:39 |
| timeless | given that i rash up in moisture, it's not actually that pleasant anyway | 17:39 |
| * sp3000 would expect pictographs | 17:39 | |
| timeless | sp3000: ETOOLOGICAL | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | They need to get iso9001 certified, the auditing people want signs on absolutely everything :-) | 17:40 |
| timeless | it's so much more fun to have signs in Finnish, Swedish, and then randomly placed signs in English | 17:40 |
| wazd | Guys: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw_demo.html <- still no work? | 17:40 |
| * Stskeeps brews a pot of coffee | 17:40 | |
| timeless | didn't you read the signs? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: nop | 17:40 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I think the problem is with hosting itself( | 17:41 |
| timeless | "well... i saw a bunch of signs i couldn't read which were clearly multilingual, and stopped looking, i didn't really feel an exhaustive egg[err sign]-hunt was appropriate | 17:41 |
| sp3000 | it's *°C in mozcor apparently | 17:41 |
| timeless | ?? | 17:41 |
| sp3000 | moscow even | 17:41 |
| timeless | <star>;<hat'd-caps>-A;<deg>;C | 17:42 |
| timeless | ? | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | star deg C | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | was what I saw | 17:43 |
| timeless | silly unicode user | 17:43 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: yep, not working( | 17:43 |
| timeless | anyway, i'll be back,i need to dechlorinate | 17:44 |
| wazd | but you can still click it to see silly effect xD | 17:44 |
| timeless | enjoy your new products/versions | 17:44 |
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| Khertan | thx | 17:45 |
| Khertan | gpsbt.gps.get_position() | 17:51 |
| Khertan | oups ww | 17:51 |
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| Khertan | someone have already play with the gps and bluetooth ? | 17:54 |
| Khertan | oh i mean -bluetooth / python | 17:54 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | I had this crazy idea yesterday, what if you left a bluetooth receiver in the same spot for a few days, and plotted the SNR of a satellite on a skymap, so that it covers a significant amount of it.. Would you see a pattern emerging, and would that pattern look like the buildings/obstructions near the GPS receiver? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like something to be tried. :P | 17:57 |
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| Khertan | i didn't understand | 17:58 |
| Khertan | you mean trying to discover the building 3D representation ? | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | Well, a 2D photograph | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | If satellite goes behind a building, the signal strength would drop, right? So if you took satellite's azimuth and elevation | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | uh, its position in the sky, and plotted that onto a picture, and changed the color of the pixel you plot depending on how strong the signal is | 18:01 |
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| ShadowJK | would you see a sharp outline of a building, or a big blurry area with a bit worse signal? | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine it would take days if not weeks to do this :) | 18:02 |
| Khertan | hum ... but signal reverb also on some structure ... | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | so it might just look like random patterns :) | 18:03 |
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| timeless | lol | 18:07 |
| timeless | there's a report from the university of lapland | 18:07 |
| timeless | and they did testing on the lederly | 18:07 |
| timeless | s/led/eld/ | 18:07 |
| infobot | timeless meant: and they did testing on the elderly | 18:07 |
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| * timeless is watching some very strange british show which might be called 'braniac' | 18:09 | |
| qwerty12 | Lol, the one where they blow shit up? | 18:10 |
| timeless | they're about to blow up a photocopier | 18:10 |
| timeless | w/ tnt | 18:10 |
| * b-man can't believe how huge the gcc-4.3.2 package is - it's so large that i'm having issues with space >.< | 18:11 | |
| b-man | (sorce package) | 18:12 |
| * Khertan is hearing a remake of Ein Lied by Nena | 18:13 | |
| Khertan | an other poor remake | 18:13 |
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| timeless | sp3000: is it too much to ask for a dvr that doesn't hang if i open the program guide? | 18:15 |
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| sp3000 | mine doesn't | 18:16 |
| sp3000 | it might take closer to 10s to bother sometimes though | 18:16 |
| timeless | mine takes much longer than 10s at times | 18:16 |
| timeless | and queues all of the events | 18:16 |
| Khertan | hum 10 min waiting that this stupid n810 s gps get a position ... | 18:16 |
| Khertan | and still nothing ... | 18:17 |
| Khertan | really useless | 18:17 |
| mavhc | are you outside? | 18:17 |
| mavhc | if gps has no data all it it by definition takes 12 mins at least to connect | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | yep the n810 is outside | 18:30 |
| Khertan | and i'm connected to it via ssh by wifi | 18:31 |
| Pavlov | the gps is bad on the n810 | 18:31 |
| Pavlov | i tried using it for directions home once, it locked on as i turned in my driveway | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | but it did get you safely home ;P | 18:33 |
| Khertan | i m trying to use it to do some script running depending on geolocalisation | 18:34 |
| Khertan | but it s so slow that it s useless | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: you use a phone for tethering btw? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | my sony-ericsson supports reporting me the cell ids and such it goes through | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | over bluetooth rfcomm | 18:34 |
| Khertan | i home i use the wifi | 18:35 |
| Khertan | not my phone | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:35 |
| Khertan | and i ven't any network mobile phone coverage at home :) | 18:35 |
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| mgwpub | hi. i just installed my maemo 5 sdk and when starting hildon-home there is no application in the app-menue | 18:45 |
| mgwpub | what could be the problem? | 18:45 |
| mgwpub | there is even nothing in the app mgr. | 18:45 |
| timeless | mgwpub: ime it enerates apps very slowly | 18:46 |
| timeless | but if you have app mgr, then you have an app... | 18:46 |
| mgwpub | but in app-manager i can not find any application. | 18:46 |
| timeless | well, what app were you expecting? | 18:46 |
| mgwpub | e.g. a browser | 18:47 |
| mgwpub | sorry, it is my first installation of maemo | 18:48 |
| timeless | i have no idea when the browser will reach the sdk | 18:48 |
| timeless | it's quite possible it won't arrive until the product ships | 18:48 |
| timeless | since it has 'secret' stuff | 18:48 |
| timeless | (including a minor detail of none of us actually knowing what we're going to ship) | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | instant goatse.cx hotkey? :P | 18:50 |
| timeless | the sdk is not designed for use as a system | 18:50 |
| timeless | it's for developing apps of your own | 18:50 |
| mgwpub | ok, and there are no more applications to test / use with the sdk at the moment? only app mgr | 18:50 |
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| timeless | the sdk should have included maemopad | 18:51 |
| timeless | the sdk is not a testbed for giving feedback on shipped apps | 18:51 |
| timeless | it's a way for you to develop your own apps | 18:51 |
| timeless | if you're trying to do something else. you have the wrong idea of what an sdk is | 18:51 |
| timeless | do yourself a favor and get Mer instead | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | mgwpub, you can also test some app inside the fremantle SDk, if you add the extras repo | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | right, it's raining like hell outside and i'm not inclined to go to the shop to buy stuff to eat.. hmm | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | time to order pizza | 18:55 |
| VDVsx | mgwpub, I meant extras-devel repo | 18:56 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: :P | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | xnt: sometimes it's good being an adult and home alone. you can also have bacon anytime you want. | 18:58 |
| xnt | :P | 18:58 |
| timeless | gan: when will you fix the stupid repository.m.o landing page? | 18:58 |
| xnt | brb | 18:59 |
| thopiekar_vm | hmm a normal build of pulseaudio fails.. building it with dpkg-buildpackage says that libtool v7 is needed but only v3 is available in repos..http://pastebin.com/d3029d45e | 19:00 |
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| thopiekar_vm | hi b-man :) | 19:01 |
| b-man | hello, thopiekar_vm :) | 19:02 |
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| mgwpub | timeless: thanks for your hint to Mer :) | 19:03 |
| * b-man gives up on LFS - requires way too many resources and takes too much time :( | 19:03 | |
| mgwpub | VDVsx: ok, i will check this repo. thanks | 19:04 |
| b-man | pluse binutils failed to compile 5 or 6 times | 19:04 |
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| VDVsx | mgwpub, don't expect much more than this, for now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiNF4C1p030 | 19:05 |
| b-man | even though i had all of the build dependences for the entire LFS system :P | 19:05 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 19:06 |
| b-man | i even tryed to apply patches but still had no luck | 19:07 |
| b-man | hello, Andy80 | 19:07 |
| * b-man checks his ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 thread | 19:09 | |
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| b-man | hmm | 19:10 |
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| Lovelife | hello every1 | 19:46 |
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| Lovelife | can we get the simulator or something for testing the maemo apps we design | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | huh. you can. | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | Lovelife: You can download the SDK, which contains both x86 and emulated versions of Maemo | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | either Maemo SDK or qemu. | 19:48 |
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| * b-man reminds himself to never use wget -r again :P | 19:50 | |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 19:51 |
| Lovelife | thanks | 19:52 |
| * b-man is now going to run out of space soon.. | 19:52 | |
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| * Proteous is going to run out of the house screaming and naked soon | 19:57 | |
| z4chh | o_o | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | For the love of God, no pics please! | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: yay prison | 19:57 |
| slonopotamus | 0.7.1~rc1+20090219+bzr974-0ubuntu1mer1 muahaha! insane version numbering | 19:58 |
| z4chh | Stskeeps, more like the loony house, then prison ;p | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | i'll add -r1, i think :D | 19:59 |
| trofi | [: | 19:59 |
| dick-richardson | is there a notification app for google voice? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what is that package, btw? | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nm-applet | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i wonder what package will hit length limit first | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i've had to change messages in mer builder in the past to not exceed the jaiku limit | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | (we switched away from jaiku in that area now) | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, it's insane occasionally | 20:03 |
| * b-man gives into boardom and decides to try the ARM port of LFS one_more_time | 20:05 | |
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| timelE61i | sLo. What length limit? | 20:13 |
| timelE61i | B-man: boredom :( | 20:13 |
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| b-man | yup :( | 20:17 |
| * b-man messes around with http://www.wipeoutpure.com/ | 20:18 | |
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| * timelE61i cries | 20:30 | |
| b-man | lol | 20:30 |
| timelE61i | i meant soccer above btw... It looked wrong when i wrote it, but it's a word i don't see much outside the us | 20:30 |
| * timelE61i pokes andre | 20:32 | |
| * timelE61i pokes jeremiah | 20:33 | |
| b-man | lol | 20:33 |
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| joyrider | how long does it generally take before accounts created on maemo garage also allows you to login in the maemo general site ? (i had activated my account like 5 hours ago) and the login system says if one created a new garage account please try again in a "few minutes" (so not hours) | 20:42 |
| lbt | oh, what provides hildon-desktop-dev | 20:46 |
| lbt | oops, not #mer | 20:46 |
| b-man | :) | 20:46 |
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| xnt | hello all :) | 20:55 |
| xnt | b-man: hi | 20:55 |
| b-man | hello | 20:55 |
| b-man | any luck with LFS? | 20:55 |
| xnt | no | 20:56 |
| b-man | same here :( | 20:56 |
| joyrider | whats lfs ? | 20:56 |
| b-man | Linux From Scratch | 20:56 |
| timelE61i | wHy not use slackware? | 20:57 |
| xnt | I've been looking at palm's webos, and its based off of linux, so, I was thinking once they have a sdk , we can port it to the nit | 20:57 |
| dob | anyone have the sdk+ working on a 64 bit machine without a chroot? | 20:57 |
| timelE61i | Dob: like w/ sb2? | 20:57 |
| b-man | xnt: that might be verry difficult due to some closed components | 20:58 |
| b-man | :( | 20:58 |
| xnt | yeah... | 20:58 |
| xnt | :( | 20:58 |
| dob | timelE61i: well, sb2 is part of sdk+, but they don't officially have 64-bit support. (even though sb2 does) | 20:59 |
| xnt | does microb support html5? | 20:59 |
| * xnt wants bespin on microb | 20:59 | |
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| * b-man is not shure | 21:00 | |
| xnt | for no apparent reason | 21:00 |
| b-man | hehe :) | 21:00 |
| timelE61i | xnt: heh | 21:00 |
| xnt | does anyone have any luck on installing ubiquity on microb? | 21:00 |
| * xnt is mozilla crazed today | 21:00 | |
| timelE61i | I still haven't grabbed an account for bespin | 21:00 |
| xnt | :P | 21:00 |
| andre__ | timelE61i, pong | 21:01 |
| timelE61i | I think i got an account for the cloud profiling | 21:01 |
| timelE61i | Andre: please import a bug complaining about keyhandling :) | 21:01 |
| b-man | xnt: http://www.wipeoutpure.com/ :) | 21:02 |
| xnt | b-man: :P | 21:02 |
| * xnt has demo on his ps3 | 21:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | mm, pizza | 21:03 |
| * b-man has the game | 21:03 | |
| xnt | Stskeeps: :) | 21:03 |
| * b-man grabs a piece | 21:03 | |
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| * xnt steals Stskeeps, pizza :P | 21:04 | |
| Stskeeps | all eaten, already | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
| xnt | :P | 21:04 |
| b-man | lol | 21:04 |
| xnt | lol | 21:04 |
| * xnt is bored... | 21:05 | |
| * xnt ponders on playing warhawk | 21:05 | |
| xnt | or lbp | 21:05 |
| * b-man is bored | 21:05 | |
| timelE61i | lbp' | 21:05 |
| timelE61i | ? | 21:05 |
| b-man | :P | 21:05 |
| * xnt has 60 people sending him messages on psn to join their game :P | 21:05 | |
| b-man | lol | 21:06 |
| xnt | timeE6li: LittleBigPlanet | 21:06 |
| * b-man wants that game | 21:06 | |
| xnt | what lbp or warhawk? | 21:06 |
| b-man | lbp | 21:07 |
| xnt | b-man: you have a ps3? | 21:07 |
| b-man | ..not atm - i want one though | 21:07 |
| xnt | :P | 21:08 |
| * b-man 's friend has one | 21:08 | |
| b-man | :P | 21:08 |
| xnt | make sure no one steals your psn id | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | less playing more coding | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:08 |
| b-man | lol | 21:08 |
| xnt | :P | 21:08 |
| * xnt want his n810 back to use bluemaemo | 21:09 | |
| xnt | although I already have a usb keyboard | 21:09 |
| * xnt wants mer on ps3 | 21:10 | |
| xnt | but i can wait :P | 21:10 |
| fireun | the next nit uses the ps3 chip | 21:10 |
| b-man | mer on ps3.. hmm | 21:10 |
| xnt | :P | 21:11 |
| b-man | :P | 21:11 |
| xnt | Cell on the n900 | 21:11 |
| fireun | cell.lite | 21:11 |
| fireun | only takes 1mW | 21:11 |
| b-man | fireun: ARMv7 - omap3 | 21:11 |
| b-man | not cell | 21:11 |
| * fireun is in denial | 21:12 | |
| b-man | :P | 21:12 |
| * xnt wants his xps with cell :P | 21:12 | |
| * Stskeeps will be happy with a touch book. | 21:12 | |
| b-man | heh | 21:12 |
| xnt | lol | 21:12 |
| fireun | keep your hands to yourself | 21:12 |
| b-man | lol XD | 21:12 |
| xnt | XD | 21:12 |
| * xnt has a friend on psn whose id is GrrrrrxD | 21:13 | |
| b-man | ?????? | 21:13 |
| b-man | GrrrrxD | 21:13 |
| b-man | why? | 21:13 |
| xnt | dunno | 21:13 |
| b-man | lol | 21:14 |
| xnt | lol | 21:14 |
| xnt | warhawk command center in home is boring... | 21:14 |
| xnt | :P | 21:14 |
| timelE61i | Silly rabbit, trix are for kids? | 21:14 |
| xnt | :P | 21:14 |
| b-man | :P | 21:14 |
| timelE61i | is that the right reference? | 21:15 |
| * xnt just noticed http://twitter.com/SonyPlaystation | 21:15 | |
| b-man | heh | 21:15 |
| * timelE61i hasn't seen those commercials in 3 years | 21:15 | |
| fireun | the attention span of you folks is about 4 lines of text | 21:15 |
| * xnt doesn't watch much tv | 21:15 | |
| timelE61i | we don't get good commercials here | 21:16 |
| timelE61i | Just old fat naked men | 21:16 |
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| * b-man doesn't either | 21:16 | |
| b-man | XP | 21:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Finnish adverts = meatfest? >.< | 21:16 |
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| timelE61i | no, just gross | 21:17 |
| timelE61i | The current one is a bunch of men in a sauna | 21:17 |
| timelE61i | Don't ask me why | 21:17 |
| * xnt forgot his psn password :P | 21:17 | |
| b-man | :P | 21:17 |
| xnt | :P:P:P:P:P | 21:18 |
| * xnt is going to game... | 21:18 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: lol, think I saw a Swedish one that was similar (supposidly banned) | 21:18 |
| b-man | :P:P:P:P:P:P | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ehxterm.png | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | where did -that- xterm icon come from. | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | The movie theater chain here used to have a naked oversized guy leaving a sauna and doing a cannonball into a lake | 21:18 |
| * b-man listens to his music | 21:18 | |
| xnt|gaming | :P | 21:19 |
| timelE61i | Don't you like how we still have 770 art? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm just curious since we have pretty sane xterm icon otherwise | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: replace that goddamn awful themes icon :) | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i will | 21:21 |
| timelE61i | what's the screen res in that shot? | 21:21 |
| timelE61i | Personally, i like how the active app has no icon | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: 800x600 | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | it is resolution independent so it can scale, too :P | 21:23 |
| b-man | XP | 21:23 |
| * b-man has nothing better to do.. | 21:23 | |
| b-man | atm | 21:23 |
| keesj | Stskeeps: sun xVM ? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: virtualbox, yea | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | keesj: sun software "just works" | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | Sts: so i tried enabling hypervisor on my snv-indiana-110 box | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | Next week i want to try to get that happy | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | wait... In that picture... | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | There are two selections, one for a generic app, and one for an empty icon | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | Which is active, and what does the other thing indicate? | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | Sts: btw, why does your vm say 0.6? :) | 21:27 |
| timelE61i | Something tells me it isn't 0.6 anymore :) | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | from left to right it's application launcher, menu button, the active application, two inactive (one of them an xterm), .. then a theme error (the theme rc doesn't support more than 3 elements (...)), statusbar, and the magic X | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: yeah, i reused machine description | 21:27 |
| timelE61i | And the floating moon is the magic x? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:29 |
| timelE61i | How important is it to close an app, and why? | 21:32 |
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| * timelE61i misses sugar | 21:32 | |
| timelE61i | would one of you bored people please port sugar? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui2.png | 21:33 |
| timelE61i | The only part i care about is a task launch-switcher which is resource aware | 21:33 |
| sp3000 | or boared, whichever | 21:33 |
| timelE61i | Sugar did this in theory by presenting resource usage as a pie-ring | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you could potentially do that with the magic | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | x | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | showing how intensely the app is running with color :P | 21:34 |
| timelE61i | Showing resource exhaustion by the inability to provide enough space for another pie-arc | 21:34 |
| timelE61i | Seriously, what do you need to know when launching or considering discarding apps? | 21:35 |
| * xnt|gaming notes that warhawk is very crashy today :( | 21:35 | |
| timelE61i | Graphically how much load they cause | 21:35 |
| timelE61i | Primarily wrt free/used memory in proportion to other running apps | 21:36 |
| timelE61i | And secondarily whether any apps are unexpectedly killing your battery | 21:37 |
| timelE61i | w/ sugar, that secondary thing was less of an issue, the children could just crank up the juice | 21:37 |
| timelE61i | Nokia@ tablets don't come w/ hand cranks... Seems to cramp nokia style :) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | but isn't hand cranks good for the environment | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:39 |
| timelE61i | s/is/are/ | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | .. yeah | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah. now i know what the charger message should be: "Get a Nokia-authorized hand crank next time instead of wasting precious electricity, you bastard" | 21:40 |
| Robot101 | timelE61i: OLPC deployments never really came with hand cranks thus far | 21:43 |
| Robot101 | I think most of the deployments are in places that at least sporadically have power | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | solar/generators/etc | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | and kids can put their batteries in bulk chargers | 21:44 |
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| timelE61i | robot: blah... Minor detail | 21:45 |
| timelE61i | Sts: so... Who's going to make a useful switcher | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i think i'm going to get this layout right and then we can start making it smart beyond just being magic | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i' | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | m thinking something like a heart animation beating, if it beats very fast.. | 21:48 |
| Robot101 | also I'm not sure if sugar ever had the ring resource thing working | 21:48 |
| timelE61i | I don' think they did | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | But it was in the spec | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | it'll actually fail miserably in maemo | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no wonder nothing worked with my icons | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | Because most apps use shared daemons | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Inherts != Inherits | 21:49 |
| Robot101 | timelE61i: monitor dbus traffic to work out who causes what activity? :) | 21:50 |
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| timelE61i | robot: i'd go w/ an advisory system actually | 21:52 |
| timelE61i | Just provide an api where apps can say "pid x is mine" | 21:52 |
| timelE61i | It'd at least work for browser | 21:53 |
| Robot101 | hmm | 21:56 |
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| Smosher | hello ther... does anyone know how can i get the device name/version and installed OS from a Nokia N8x0? | 22:23 |
| timeless | cat /etc/osso_software_version | 22:23 |
| timeless | uname -a ? | 22:23 |
| timeless | hostname ? | 22:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Control panel > about | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | cat /proc/component_version , as well | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | osso-product-info as root | 22:24 |
| timeless | qwerty: how dare you provide a proper api? | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | getting device name should be a call to bluez | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless: :P | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ok .. gtk-icon-theme "themedir", make hildon icon theme inherit hicolor instead of gnome, and make liberty-mer's fallback theme be gnome.. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | i think this is about as insane as it gets. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | and make liberty-mer icon theme inherit hildon | 22:26 |
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| Smosher | osso-product-info did exactly what i need, tyvm | 22:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that's some funky shit right there :/ | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: .. but now the Network Connections icon disappeared, but everything else is ok | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, wtf.. | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Oh, it's just network manager. I'll live. :P | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | swear to god, i'm going to learn Qt one of these days. GTK has scarred me forever. | 22:34 |
| lbt | :D | 22:34 |
| derf | If you want to be scarred forever, learn the Java AWT. | 22:34 |
| z4chh | omg no | 22:34 |
| derf | A past victim, I see. | 22:35 |
| z4chh | derf, don't recommend that ever gain o_o | 22:35 |
| lbt | I'm trying to hack a Qt equivalent to libosso | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | derf: i had a tad of it at uni and we switched quickly to swing.. :P | 22:35 |
| z4chh | i written a few programs using java awt/swing... | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: why equivalent? | 22:35 |
| z4chh | i almost died | 22:35 |
| lbt | libosso is tied into glib | 22:35 |
| derf | Swing is an order of magnitude better. But still pretty bad. | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ah. | 22:35 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:35 |
| derf | At least it's not MFC. | 22:35 |
| lbt | ah! | 22:35 |
| lbt | mmm yummy dbus | 22:36 |
| lbt | mmm lovely docs | 22:36 |
| lbt | mmm nice gtk | 22:36 |
| * lbt comes back from that reality into this one | 22:37 | |
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| derf | I've used lots of GUI toolkits. GTK isn't awful. | 22:37 |
| lbt | no, it's not. | 22:37 |
| derf | It's got its warts, true. But it could be worse. | 22:37 |
| derf | It could be Motif. | 22:38 |
| lbt | but for guis, Qt and C++ is a bit better than C and gtk .... IMHO. | 22:38 |
| derf | Yeah, I obviously hold the exact opposite opinion. | 22:39 |
| lbt | fair enough. | 22:39 |
| lbt | why obviously? | 22:39 |
| derf | Because I've said it in here before multiple times. | 22:39 |
| lbt | oh, I never try and remember what people say. NP | 22:39 |
| derf | But really, these days I generally avoid GUI programming altogether. | 22:40 |
| lbt | are you familiar with gtk and dbus and osso by any chance then? | 22:40 |
| derf | GTK yes, dbus and osso a very small amount. | 22:40 |
| lbt | I need to understand what dbus messages make up the osso 'contract' | 22:41 |
| derf | Yeah, good luck with that. | 22:41 |
| lbt | I'm stepping through libosso and running dbus-monitor... | 22:41 |
| lbt | Oh, OK :) | 22:41 |
| derf | I mean, that is what I'd do. | 22:42 |
| derf | AFAIK, none of it is documented anywhere. | 22:42 |
| lbt | yeah - it's just in case someone has been there and can throw me some pointers | 22:42 |
| lbt | I'll get back to it.... dbus is now sending me messages when I hit close | 22:43 |
| lbt | thats better than an hour ago | 22:43 |
| derf | The only dbus I touched in maemo was acmonitor. | 22:43 |
| derf | Which convinced me I didn't want to do any more. | 22:43 |
| lbt | TBH it is wonderful | 22:43 |
| lbt | but it's badly documented | 22:43 |
| lbt | the barcode reader should use it for example | 22:43 |
| derf | The barcode reader should exist first. | 22:44 |
| lbt | we have a gsoc victim on the mailing list | 22:44 |
| Robot101 | lbt: do you mean between task navigator/desktop and an osso app? | 22:44 |
| derf | Excellent. | 22:44 |
| lbt | yes | 22:44 |
| lbt | Robot101: you know anything? | 22:44 |
| derf | Which mailing list? | 22:44 |
| lbt | maemo-developers@maemo.org | 22:45 |
| Robot101 | no but I know some people who might, marcoil has been hacking that code recently I think | 22:45 |
| lbt | ooh | 22:45 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d1dc6069a | 22:46 |
| lbt | my hacking and some cross refs | 22:46 |
| lbt | including links to freedesktop.org docs | 22:46 |
| lbt | and lines in libosso | 22:46 |
| derf | Ugh, Python. | 22:46 |
| lbt | Robot101: the problem is that the maemo/hildon WM just does kill -9 on Qt apps. I want to get the dbus mesg and do a closeEvent() | 22:47 |
| lcuk | barcode should be enablable whenever the camera is switched on | 22:47 |
| lbt | see - I knew lcuk would be watching barcode | 22:47 |
| lbt | hi mate | 22:47 |
| lcuk | lbt, i just had to add something similar into liqbase at the x11 level | 22:48 |
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| lbt | dbus? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | its not an osso or dbus thing | 22:48 |
| lcuk | hang on a mo ive got the base xv example with it in | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | without this it just falls out and blows up | 22:48 |
| lbt | I was just saying that you need to emit a dbus signal when you spot a barcode | 22:49 |
| lbt | kinda thing | 22:49 |
| derf | The camera drains battery fast enough without _always_ running the barcode scanner. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | problem is that with a barcode identification how often do you send them | 22:49 |
| lcuk | based on this preview shot: http://liqbase.net/liq.20081026_204523.gary.cam.png | 22:49 |
| lbt | when I'm shopping. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | i get a few possible identifications | 22:49 |
| lcuk | do you send one dbus per frame? | 22:49 |
| lbt | you're just going to have to get Stskeeps to do power mgmt on it | 22:50 |
| lbt | and use the motion sensor to turn the camera on when I shake it | 22:50 |
| lcuk | camera startup time is about 15 seconds | 22:50 |
| lcuk | try it, open any of the camera apps | 22:50 |
| lcuk | the light comes on much sooner than gstreamer sends data | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | (maybe not 15 secs, but it feels like it | 22:50 |
| lcuk | oh, 3 seconds | 22:51 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:51 |
| lcuk | maybe its first first time per bootup | 22:51 |
| lcuk | we need laser scanners on our nokias | 22:52 |
| lcuk | sod the camera | 22:52 |
| derf | Anyway, having mentored GSoC for several years now, my expectations are pretty low. | 22:52 |
| z4chh | why? | 22:53 |
| lbt | Robot101: could you mention to whoever that I'm working on this - I'll post more to qt4-devel garage list with Antonio | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo ian_at_synth | 23:09 |
| ian_at_synth | hi stskeeps | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 23:10 |
| ian_at_synth | pretty good. spring break. | 23:10 |
| ian_at_synth | you? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, same here. playing with the new mer desktop layout | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | (work in progress) | 23:10 |
| ian_at_synth | wow, nice | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | only downside is that stuff like LCARS is bloody difficult unless you add a extra panel to the layout :P | 23:11 |
| ian_at_synth | yep heh, same in fremantle | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | target is http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | .. wb | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | target is http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | 23:12 |
| mavhc | pffft, LCARS, where's my babylon 5 interface? | 23:12 |
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| ian_at_synth_ | lol sorry, i never got into b5, so you're on your own there | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth_: and we've implemented a saner way to override icons as well | 23:13 |
| ian_at_synth_ | oh? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | as in, we have them in our template and we overlay on top of the hildon icons | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, icon namespace) | 23:14 |
| ian_at_synth_ | stskeeps, are you aiming for theme compatibility with fremantle eventually? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth_: maybe. but the problem is that hildon-theme-layout-5 isn't out | 23:15 |
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| ian_at_synth_ | yeah that's pretty lame. i asked konttori about when the new layout might be released and he said soon, but not yet. that was a couple weeks ago, so hopefully it's coming along. | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - they want to keep their cards close | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's brilliant we're even getting betas and alpha/pre-alpha's | 23:17 |
| ian_at_synth_ | yeah it could be worse, but i should be able to start theming now, and i can't :/ | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | for Mer we're keeping the -layout stuff, so it should be trivial to make themes from at least | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | i even taught myself a bit of inkscape, heh | 23:18 |
| ian_at_synth_ | do you guys have a layout/template i could start playing with? | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, this week. | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | ian_at_synth_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-theme-liberty-mer/annotate/head%3A/template//template.svg , but it is changing quite often atm | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's a fairly standard template but some things are no longer in use | 23:21 |
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| ian_at_synth_ | i'll check it out. | 23:22 |
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| konttori_ | ian_at_synth: I'm pretty sure I can release the layout as soon as I get theme maker properly converted to it. | 23:28 |
| konttori_ | one of the problems is that it's still changing a bit | 23:28 |
| konttori_ | (layout) | 23:28 |
| konttori_ | and it's better to publish it once it has been finalized. | 23:28 |
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| konttori_ | in the meanwhile, I'm working on really nice default icon set to be the basis of the icon template | 23:29 |
| * konttori_ was apparently talking to the air | 23:29 | |
| * konttori_ goes to bed. | 23:29 | |
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| ian_at_synth_ | heh thanks konttori | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I've finished the big layout cleanup, but I'm sort of stuck on the content now. | 23:33 |
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| * xnt had fun gaming :P | 23:36 | |
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| xnt | Stskeeps: wait is http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ehxterm.png the same as http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg ??? | 23:41 |
| * xnt is confused | 23:41 | |
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| Stskeeps | latter one is the target | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | still some things to be implement | 23:41 |
| xnt | so that is 0.11 | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:42 |
| xnt | still in dev | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 23:42 |
| xnt | oh ok | 23:42 |
| * xnt waits in anticipation | 23:42 | |
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| xnt | Stskeeps: where can I get the mer wallpaper? | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 23:44 |
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| xnt | :) thanks | 23:44 |
| Robot101 | grr stupid vodafone is filtering my access to your images | 23:45 |
| Robot101 | not even saying its blocked byc ontent control, but due to a temporary failure they can't see if I have content control | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 23:45 |
| Robot101 | epic fail | 23:45 |
| xnt | lol | 23:46 |
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| xnt | :) http://xceleo.com/merwp.png now to create that mockup... | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | i think a blue mer logo tshirt and then batique would be excellent.. or something | 23:48 |
| xnt | :) | 23:48 |
| * xnt would buy mer t-shirt | 23:48 | |
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| xnt|in_gimp | :P | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how about: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i just saw it, looks fine | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, tag your pages with [[Category:Mer]] at the bottom. | 23:54 |
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