| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What _were_ they thinking? | 00:01 |
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| Luke-Jr2 | rebooted N810 | 00:12 |
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| Luke-Jr2 | problem persists | 00:12 |
| Luke-Jr2 | wep200 refuses to turn off even | 00:13 |
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| Luke-Jr2 | lcuk rebooted N810 | 00:16 |
| Luke-Jr2 | wep200 refuses to turn off even | 00:16 |
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| benson | Luke-Jr2: Get a bigger hammer. | 00:17 |
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| benson | More seriously, can you pull the battery? | 00:18 |
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| lbt | does the N800 have a builtin mic? | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | At the top | 00:20 |
| lbt | ta :) | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, how serious are you | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you even known Jaffa to kid? | 00:30 |
| Luke-Jr2 | benson, no battery removable | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | evening woglinde | 00:49 |
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| woglinde | hi stskeeps | 00:53 |
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| lbt | Is the nokia "Internet Call software" removed in fremantle? | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, we haven't seen any of the apps yet | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, your guess is as good as anybody's. | 01:00 |
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| lbt | saw a comment that they were "stopping support" | 01:01 |
| lbt | and just wondered if I'd missed anything | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did somebody setup a cronjob to spam the builder with midgard? | 01:01 |
| lbt | (since it's clearly not been removed) | 01:01 |
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| midgard | upgrade me! upgrade me! | 01:03 |
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| woglinde | hi qwerty | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey woglinde | 01:03 |
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| woglinde | jo lcuk | 01:05 |
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| woglinde | hm I bought me a 4-core phenom2 | 01:05 |
| woglinde | after nearly 6 six years | 01:05 |
| woglinde | using an athlon | 01:05 |
| lcuk | and is it the dogs bollocks? | 01:06 |
| lbt | make -j4 | 01:06 |
| woglinde | lbt yes | 01:06 |
| woglinde | for oe its nice | 01:06 |
| * lbt only gets to do make -j3 | 01:06 | |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: within bounds of decency (i.e. dressing up as Apollo or something is out), but anything which might get me more beer is fine. And I said *some*, i.e. a period of time >0s ;-) | 01:07 |
| lbt | how do you find it day to day (linux desktop I assume?) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | heh thats the spirit | 01:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3386655708.html <- rzr's qemu-nitdroid | 01:08 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hits the cancel button on his post for 'gimp suit' | 01:09 | |
| rzr | lemme see | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | and QWERTY-12 mention.. ;) | 01:09 |
| rzr | Stskeeps: i tested mer | 01:09 |
| rzr | i but didnt not manage to boot it | 01:09 |
| rzr | i'll have to investigate | 01:09 |
| rzr | but i am short on time | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's a bit awkward | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | nitdroid is easier as it has it's own kernel and such | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | grab the zImage and the jffs2, might work .P | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erg | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. | 01:12 |
| rzr | that one is wrong too : as demonstrated in the video (see image at top), Coval was able to use his NITdroid-emulator code with Qemu, to boot and run Maemo and then run the latest release of NITdroid | 01:13 |
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| rzr | Stskeeps: i should hire thoses guys to make my resume | 01:15 |
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| rzr | Stskeeps: why did they put my name everywhere ? i did nothing | 01:15 |
| Macer | hm. i need a good show to watch | 01:19 |
| lcuk | hahahahahaha @ the pic on the costume thread | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, 30 Rock? :P | 01:19 |
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| Macer | 30 rock? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0496424/ | 01:23 |
| rzr | <GeneralAntilles> Second to last paragraph in that article is . . . wrong. | 01:23 |
| rzr | can we fix it ? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | rzr, I just fired off a correction. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'll probably fix it in a day or two. | 01:24 |
| rzr | ok | 01:24 |
| rzr | i am updating on my page, | 01:24 |
| rzr | can you cc me | 01:24 |
| rzr | rzr @ gna . org | 01:24 |
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| rzr | update section @ http://www.newlc.com/en/eeedroid-emulator-nokia-tablet-desktop-ready-test-android | 01:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rzr, they're correcting. | 01:35 |
| rzr | great | 01:35 |
| rzr | i'd like they to remove my name too | 01:36 |
| rzr | well i'll email them in case | 01:36 |
| rzr | did you cc'ed your correction ? | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I forwarded it to you. | 01:37 |
| rzr | ok | 01:37 |
| rzr | they did this the day we upgraded the server :) | 01:37 |
| Macer | hm. gentoo seems to act funny in fbsd | 01:41 |
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| cavallacciocatti | ciao a tutti | 02:20 |
| cavallacciocatti | !list | 02:21 |
| cavallacciocatti | help | 02:21 |
| cavallacciocatti | ma non risponde nessuno | 02:21 |
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| Proteous | uh huh | 02:34 |
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| GuySoft | this is rich.. someone just e-mailed me asking what to do with this error message: you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. | 03:12 |
| GuySoft | i said the answer is in the question | 03:12 |
| doc|work | heh | 03:12 |
| Robot101 | yeah seriously, not a trick question :) | 03:12 |
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| xnt | hello all | 03:19 |
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| xnt | sorry, my gnome flaked out :P | 03:26 |
| xnt | is it possible to run openwrt on an n810? | 03:26 |
| xnt | or install openwrt packages? | 03:28 |
| * xnt wants to run this http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-505 | 03:28 | |
| xnt | one problem, no lan/wan ports :( | 03:29 |
| nomis | why use the n810 then? | 03:29 |
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| xnt | just had the idea | 03:30 |
| xnt | how about this http://www.digininja.org/jasager/ | 03:30 |
| nomis | sounds like an awful amount of hacking to get this somehow working. | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt, no master mode. | 03:30 |
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| xnt | ok if vmware releases vmware for the n8x0 , then maybe we can run it in a vm? | 03:30 |
| nomis | uhm. | 03:31 |
| xnt | mastermode=ap mode right? | 03:31 |
| nomis | xnt: really, the easiest way is to just order a fon router. | 03:31 |
| xnt | umm, ok | 03:32 |
| nomis | ... and is there a vmware for ARM processors? | 03:32 |
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| xnt | btw hak5 had a segment on the 770 before, and referenced itt :) | 03:32 |
| xnt | b-man: hi! | 03:32 |
| b-man | hay, xnt :D | 03:32 |
| xnt | nomis: http://i.gizmodo.com/5160685/vmware-for-mobile-devices-lets-you-run-windows-and-android-simultaneously | 03:33 |
| xnt | :P | 03:33 |
| b-man | hehe | 03:33 |
| xnt | b-man: did you watch the latest hak5? http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-505 ? | 03:33 |
| xnt | I am never accepting plushes with ethernet ports :P | 03:34 |
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| b-man | heh | 03:34 |
| b-man | xnt: yes :)) | 03:35 |
| xnt | :) | 03:35 |
| nomis | that mvp hypervisor stuff sounds like serious crack. | 03:35 |
| xnt | nomis: :P | 03:36 |
| * b-man is writting the new guide for ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 for tomorrow's release :) | 03:37 | |
| xnt | b-man: is ubuntu-desktop working? | 03:37 |
| * xnt still hasn't gotten his n810 back :( | 03:38 | |
| b-man | xnt: i'm not shure yet, i haven't tested it yet | 03:38 |
| xnt | ok :) | 03:38 |
| b-man | xnt: :( | 03:38 |
| xnt | :( | 03:38 |
| b-man | when will you be getting it back? | 03:38 |
| xnt | I don't know :( either my parents pick it up or I wait until the end of the year :( | 03:39 |
| b-man | ouch >.< | 03:39 |
| * xnt can't live without his nit for more than a month :( | 03:40 | |
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| xnt | jk, but ill get bored | 03:40 |
| xnt | today I went to school with only my blackberry, It was boring. | 03:40 |
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| xnt | but My tech teacher had a spare AMD Duron 512MB ram 40GB machine, and I installed ubuntu on it :D | 03:41 |
| b-man | sweet! | 03:41 |
| xnt | 1.2GHz | 03:41 |
| b-man | nice | 03:41 |
| xnt | so now im setting up webmin, and apache (web ssh) | 03:42 |
| b-man | heh | 03:42 |
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| xnt | well ill set it up tuesday, no school monday | 03:42 |
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| * xnt is learning ruby on rails | 03:42 | |
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| xnt | oh and I got a nice web dev tut from net.tutsplus.com , my school tech final site http://sp.xceleo.com/tplte/demo.html | 03:43 |
| b-man | xnt: i saw that, you said that on irc sometime this morning :) | 03:43 |
| * b-man was browsing irc logs | 03:43 | |
| xnt | :P | 03:43 |
| b-man | lol | 03:44 |
| xnt | im still working on it :P | 03:44 |
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| b-man | xnt: nice | 03:45 |
| xnt | I got that hack to learn thing off of some forum | 03:45 |
| xnt | I think hak.5 | 03:45 |
| xnt | I need a better slogan | 03:45 |
| * b-man has tryed to learn ruby but got lazy :P | 03:45 | |
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| xnt | :P | 03:46 |
| b-man | i use bash and python :) | 03:46 |
| * xnt is ruby available for the nit? | 03:46 | |
| b-man | yes | 03:47 |
| xnt | ok :P | 03:47 |
| * xnt tried to learn python but got lazy (7th grade) | 03:47 | |
| b-man | lol | 03:48 |
| xnt | I spent most of the 7th grade installing firefox and nexuiz on the school computers :P | 03:49 |
| xnt | only to have the admins remove it :P | 03:49 |
| xnt | now we have deep freeze :(, so at every logout/login the fs is restored | 03:49 |
| * b-man has the same thing | 03:50 | |
| * b-man notices that d-bus is screwing up on his tablet - i'll be back in a sec | 03:50 | |
| b-man | *rebooting | 03:50 |
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| b-man | i'll be back online in 15 minutes - going to a coffie shop :) | 03:53 |
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| xnt | our server uses novell netware, its unix-based (I think) | 03:54 |
| xnt | oh ok never mind :P | 03:54 |
| * xnt is bored again | 03:54 | |
| * Proteous hands xnt a shiny object | 03:56 | |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 04:02 |
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| fireun | quick reboot | 04:09 |
| b-man | firun: i had to reboot and | 04:11 |
| * b-man hates hildon-input-method | 04:11 | |
| * xnt has died of boredom | 04:13 | |
| b-man | lol | 04:13 |
| xnt | X_X | 04:13 |
| xnt | :P jk | 04:13 |
| b-man | go on youtube XD | 04:13 |
| xnt | repost: b-man: our server uses novell netware, its unix-based (I think) | 04:13 |
| * b-man 's school uses novell too | 04:14 | |
| xnt | b-man: we have novell ZENworks, Novell Groupwise, Deepfreeze, And Vision | 04:14 |
| * b-man thinks that we have blocker software for just about everything XP | 04:16 | |
| * xnt always uses the admin computer (admin has his own little office) in the 2nd tech lab, which has vision,and screws aroud with students all over the district, and It also runs with admin privileges :P | 04:16 | |
| b-man | you can't even log out or change the start menu - only shutdown/restart | 04:16 |
| b-man | xnt: hehe | 04:17 |
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| * b-man has a lab at his school that is full of high-end gaming computers XD | 04:18 | |
| xnt | :P, than your IT is more retarded than mine :P, we can't right click, don't have explorer, no shutdown(power button suspends) no exe's | 04:18 |
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| * xnt is jealous | 04:18 | |
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| b-man | it's only for upper-classmen though :P | 04:19 |
| xnt | we have a dell optiplex gx270s in the newer labs, and optiplex 265s in all the other rooms | 04:19 |
| xnt | * -a | 04:19 |
| xnt | b-man: do you have any programming classes? | 04:20 |
| * b-man also has a lab full of macs :) | 04:20 | |
| * xnt is Really jealous | 04:20 | |
| * xnt where is your school | 04:20 | |
| b-man | yes, but it's for 11th and 12th grade only | 04:20 |
| xnt | I mean b-man: where is your school | 04:20 |
| b-man | Perrysburg, ohio | 04:21 |
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| xnt | oh ok, | 04:21 |
| * xnt thinks of moving to ohio next year :P | 04:21 | |
| b-man | and that other comment was about your programming class question | 04:21 |
| xnt | so you learn obj-c? | 04:22 |
| xnt | oh ok nvm | 04:22 |
| xnt | b-man: how do the students run the programs? | 04:22 |
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| b-man | thay have a seprate network | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how much studios pay to troll places like YouTube to find things to send takedown notices for. | 04:23 |
| * xnt thinks that giving students admin privileges is a bad idea :P | 04:23 | |
| b-man | lol | 04:23 |
| * b-man gose to a school called PENTA btw - google it ;) | 04:23 | |
| xnt | I remember a school where everyone had admin | 04:23 |
| b-man | heh | 04:24 |
| xnt | was a total disaster, computers were full of popup virus's | 04:24 |
| b-man | lol XD | 04:25 |
| b-man | xnt: what do you mean by obj-c btw? | 04:26 |
| b-man | just wondering | 04:26 |
| xnt | objective-c: the iphone/mac programing language | 04:26 |
| b-man | oh | 04:27 |
| xnt | http://xceleo.com/penta-screenshot.png :P, I could just copy the source :P | 04:27 |
| b-man | yes, that's it! XD | 04:28 |
| xnt | lol :P | 04:28 |
| b-man | yeah - crappy website :P | 04:28 |
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| xnt | MY schools site is even crappier | 04:29 |
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| b-man | hehe | 04:31 |
| * b-man acctually goes to two schools - Bowling Green High, and penta | 04:31 | |
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| xnt | http://blog.xceleo.com/?p=24 | 05:39 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks! | 07:23 |
| jaem_N810 | what? everybody hates me now? | 07:24 |
| jaem_N810 | :P | 07:24 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: ping! | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | /ignore jaem_N810 | 07:26 |
| jaem_N810 | :( | 07:27 |
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| xnt | jaem:pong! | 07:38 |
| xnt | sorry i was cooking some food , parents are asleeps | 07:39 |
| xnt | *asleep | 07:39 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: http://xceleo.com/setup.html | 07:39 |
| xnt | it will be slow :( | 07:39 |
| xnt | I have to optimize the images | 07:40 |
| Macer | damn G1 is flying along at 120K/s | 07:40 |
| Macer | it's nice | 07:40 |
| xnt | :) | 07:40 |
| Macer | i'm so happy i ditched att | 07:41 |
| Macer | i HATE att | 07:41 |
| * xnt hates ATT | 07:41 | |
| Macer | it is a level of absolute disgust | 07:41 |
| xnt | t-mobile ftw | 07:41 |
| Macer | yeah.. in chicago tmobile is the shit :) | 07:41 |
| * xnt got screwed by att | 07:41 | |
| Macer | so did i | 07:41 |
| jaem_N810 | my laptop freaked out at me a few minutes ago | 07:41 |
| Macer | i had to fight them for months to get my refund on a contract i gave no authorization for | 07:42 |
| jaem_N810 | good thing I wanted to redo the install anyway - saves me troubleshooting it | 07:42 |
| Macer | all i did was change my number and they started a 2 yr contract when i specifically told them NO CONTRACT. | 07:42 |
| xnt | thay said on the web ui that I had unlimited data, but in reality I hada pay as you go :( | 07:42 |
| jaem_N810 | do any of you folks now anything about smart card auth on Linux? | 07:42 |
| Macer | xnt: yeah.. they are HORRIBLE | 07:42 |
| Macer | i hate everything att related.. there is nothing that is good about att | 07:43 |
| xnt | jaem: no | 07:43 |
| jaem_N810 | hmm | 07:43 |
| * xnt wants the iphone+android+t-mobile | 07:43 | |
| Macer | their cell phones... dish network... landlines... dsl.. it all SUCKS and the company is horrible | 07:43 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm going to do an encrypted install, with other fun things | 07:43 |
| Macer | i hope they go under :) | 07:43 |
| Macer | so help me God NOBODY should ever bail out att | 07:43 |
| xnt | jaem: I did a encrypted install once :) | 07:43 |
| Macer | use debian | 07:44 |
| Macer | they have an encrypted lvm install option | 07:44 |
| xnt | Macer: So does ubuntu | 07:44 |
| Macer | which i guess would be good for laptops ... or smut porn containing machines | 07:45 |
| xnt | alternate cd | 07:45 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: nice. fyi, the blackberry Pe*a*rl wasn't made by Larry Wall ;) | 07:45 |
| Macer | aren't they the same? | 07:45 |
| xnt | jaem: download the ubuntu alternate cd or debian | 07:45 |
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| jaem_N810 | I use Arch Linux | 07:45 |
| jaem_N810 | Arch FTW | 07:45 |
| Macer | ubuntu = unstable debian :) | 07:45 |
| * xnt uses gentoo on powerful machines, my xps is an exception | 07:46 | |
| Macer | i used gentoo for quite a while | 07:46 |
| Macer | but i started to hate it.. it's not really good as a server | 07:46 |
| fireun | gentoo for nit? | 07:46 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: Arch is Gentoo without the Gentoo | 07:46 |
| jaem_N810 | fireun: yep, google it | 07:46 |
| Macer | heh | 07:46 |
| Macer | you mean without portage? | 07:46 |
| fireun | building a kernel may take awhile | 07:47 |
| jaem_N810 | Macer: have you used Arch? | 07:47 |
| * xnt will try arch... maybe tomorrow | 07:47 | |
| Macer | it took 20 gentoo installs to actually figure out how to fly through the process | 07:47 |
| fireun | how about freebsd for nit? | 07:47 |
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| jaem_N810 | it's meant for experienced users, but it's not masochistic | 07:47 |
| Macer | no.. never used arch.. but then again i use fbsd for most of the servers i have | 07:47 |
| fireun | how about.... | 07:47 |
| jaem_N810 | Macer: it's really very nice | 07:47 |
| Macer | so is debian ;) | 07:47 |
| xnt | and ubuntu | 07:48 |
| jaem_N810 | their primary philosophy is KISS - much more than any other distro I've tried | 07:48 |
| Macer | then again.. for real world use i'd rather use centos or rhel | 07:48 |
| jaem_N810 | and it makes *buntu seem bloated (even though it isn't) | 07:48 |
| xnt | Macer: I use centos for my server (dell poweredge 2800) | 07:48 |
| fireun | ubuntu just gets it done | 07:48 |
| fireun | not much time spent at a debug view | 07:49 |
| jaem_N810 | fireun: I'm not criticizing Ubuntu | 07:49 |
| Macer | ubuntu kind of reminds me of redhat when linux was young | 07:49 |
| Macer | "the easy one" | 07:49 |
| Macer | heh | 07:49 |
| fireun | jaem_N810: and I'm just contrasting (: | 07:49 |
| Macer | it isn't bad though | 07:49 |
| jaem_N810 | it just doesn't suit me these days | 07:49 |
| Macer | i would just rather use debian | 07:49 |
| jaem_N810 | pacman > apt | 07:49 |
| jaem_N810 | waka waka | 07:49 |
| fireun | every fever for a flavor of a linux | 07:49 |
| xnt | personally I prefer apt, but I've seen pacman it's nice :) | 07:50 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah | 07:50 |
| jaem_N810 | Arch has nice schwag, too | 07:50 |
| xnt | but compiling from source is better but its faster to apt | 07:50 |
| fireun | apt's backend works, its front end is... a mismash and not allways smart | 07:50 |
| * jaem_N810 wants the handmade silver necklace | 07:50 | |
| jaem_N810 | fireun: agreed | 07:51 |
| Macer | i wouldn't go so far as to say compiling from source is better | 07:51 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: pacman uses binaries | 07:51 |
| xnt | agreed | 07:51 |
| xnt | oh ok :) | 07:51 |
| Macer | i suppose you could tweak gcc settings a bit to get it to go .00001 faster.. but it isn't worth it | 07:51 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: yaourt is a frontend to pacman (bin) and AUR (community build scripts) | 07:51 |
| Macer | only time i could see compiling from source is when your distro doesn't have bins for your cpu | 07:51 |
| jaem_N810 | so anything that hasn't been accepted into repos can be automatically built if there's a script | 07:52 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: is arch available for powerpc/ps3? | 07:52 |
| jaem_N810 | and packaging in Arch is dead easy | 07:52 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: I believe there is a ppc port, but I don't think it's official | 07:52 |
| jaem_N810 | I think it's unofficially-official | 07:52 |
| * xnt arch will run perfectly on my ps3 | 07:53 | |
| jaem_N810 | http://archlinuxppc.org/ | 07:53 |
| xnt | * thinks | 07:53 |
| xnt | thanks | 07:53 |
| jaem_N810 | my friend is going to dual-boot his Alienware laptop with Arch tonight :D | 07:54 |
| xnt | jaem: ubuntu is too slow on my ps3: 3.2 Cell proc, 256mb ram, and no gfx card access | 07:55 |
| xnt | : | 07:55 |
| xnt | :) | 07:55 |
| jaem_N810 | what's the best way to resize ntfs? GParted LiveCD? | 07:55 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: arch should work, but it may be fun | 07:55 |
| xnt | jaem: do you think arch will work on my IBM R32? | 07:55 |
| jaem_N810 | no idea | 07:55 |
| xnt | does it support ibm_acpi? | 07:55 |
| jaem_N810 | I've only used x86[_64] | 07:56 |
| * xnt 's IBM overheats with linux :( | 07:56 | |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: let me remote one of my machines and check | 07:56 |
| xnt | ok :) | 07:56 |
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| jaem_N810 | are you talking about a kernel module? | 07:56 |
| xnt | ibm-acpi.sf.net | 07:57 |
| xnt | I think so | 07:57 |
| xnt | search ibm-acpi | 07:57 |
| xnt | or just ibm | 07:57 |
| * jaem_N810 is checking | 07:58 | |
| * xnt is sick of windows on his IBM | 07:58 | |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 07:58 |
| xnt | :) | 07:58 |
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| xnt | jaem_N810: does arch have compiz? | 07:59 |
| jaem_N810 | thinkpad acpi is there. I don't see anything else in the default kernel config | 07:59 |
| jaem_N810 | you may have to recompile | 07:59 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: of course | 08:00 |
| xnt | ok thanks, np I can recompile kernels :) | 08:00 |
| jaem_N810 | the Arch repos are fairly large, but the AUR (buildscript repo) is massive | 08:00 |
| jaem_N810 | so you can get most things | 08:00 |
| xnt | ok now , my next reinstall on my xps will be arch :) | 08:01 |
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| jaem_N810 | and if you can't, write a buildscript, post it to AUR, and eventually, it might get moved to the repos | 08:01 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm not sure of the process | 08:01 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: it's nice | 08:01 |
| jaem_N810 | it's also cutting-edge | 08:01 |
| jaem_N810 | although they generally keep the stable stuff too | 08:02 |
| jaem_N810 | but it's rolling-release | 08:02 |
| xnt | ibm-arch xps-arch eee-debian or arch(it depends on the usability on eee701) server-centos ps3-arch :) | 08:03 |
| fireun | blanix | 08:04 |
| xnt | oh and school server arch (ubuntu is to slow for amd duron 1.2ghz 512mb ram, and crappy graphics card) | 08:04 |
| jaem_N810 | all my machines except my N810 and Palm run Arch | 08:04 |
| jaem_N810 | I don't have my Palm running Linux atm | 08:05 |
| jaem_N810 | I need to buy a new SD card - they're cheap | 08:05 |
| xnt | jaem: which palm do you have? | 08:05 |
| jaem_N810 | but not at the stores that are < 45 minutes away by bus | 08:05 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: Zire 72 | 08:05 |
| xnt | oh ok | 08:05 |
| jaem_N810 | is there an easy way to map my menu key on my N810 to Tab? | 08:06 |
| jaem_N810 | it's annoying as heck typing in the console without a tab key | 08:06 |
| xnt | dunno, don't have n810 with me | 08:06 |
| * xnt uses an external usb keyboard when on irc or terminal for extended periods of time | 08:07 | |
| jaem_N810 | I'd like to, but I often spontaneously remote things while around campus | 08:07 |
| xnt | jaem: is this maemo? | 08:08 |
| xnt | or mer,ubuntu | 08:08 |
| jaem_N810 | maemo | 08:09 |
| xnt | jaem: sorry have to go to sleep, parents woke up :(, ask someone around here, GeneralAntilles , do you mind if you hel p him | 08:11 |
| jaem_N810 | kk | 08:11 |
| jaem_N810 | night | 08:11 |
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| JackaLX | I installed a couple of things yesterday via the app manager to my n810. Everything was working fine until this morning when I turned it on again. It wouldn't go past the splash screen progress bar thingy dingy. :-( | 08:38 |
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| JackaLX | so I had the brilliant idea of re-flashing the thing | 08:39 |
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| JackaLX | famous last words | 08:39 |
| JackaLX | I now have a n810 that won't boot, and I can't flash | 08:40 |
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| JackaLX | oh and the weird bit... the only way I can turn the pig off is by taking the battery out! :-O | 08:41 |
| JackaLX | ok I understand that I've completely fubar'd my toy and that it's all me own stupid fault. But is there anything I can do to fix this? | 08:43 |
| JackaLX | ./flasher-3.0 -F ./RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f sends the xloader image ok, but then it dies sending the secondary image with... Write failed after 0 bytes usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 08:46 |
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| JackaLX | anyone have any suggestions? | 08:49 |
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| TPC | argh | 09:42 |
| TPC | my N800 just got stuck in a reboot loop, when booting it goes part of the way of the progress bar, then reboots | 09:42 |
| TPC | I'm heading out for a long trip in 30 minutes and was planning on using it for entertainment during the trip | 09:43 |
| TPC | but there is no hope of getting it reflashed and have all the apps I had installed before then :( | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | TPC: if you get progress bar it's hardly hosed :P | 09:57 |
| TPC | Stskeeps, you have any suggestions then? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | TPC: well, if you get progress bar then you can definately reflash it, but yes, you're right, you need to reinstall and stuff :/ | 10:00 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a look at his n800 which has vertical scrolling issue. | 10:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=273468&postcount=9 <- sigh. | 10:44 |
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| `0660 | :/ | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks Stskeeps | 10:53 |
| * Stskeeps is currently preparing to reflash his n800 to see if the scrolling problem disappears | 10:54 | |
| qwerty12 | I fear I may reap the "benefits" of treating my N800's screen badly soon too... | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | i was really cursing all through last night after i realized what it was doing | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | felt like my dog died or something :P | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | then again. i'm sure it will be just excellent for rolling text display, hmm :P | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure lcuk can make some kind of effect exploiting that. | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wb meiz | 11:34 |
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| Shadow__X | can i run fsck on a mounted drive | 11:35 |
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| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3372596780/ | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3372596788/ | 12:24 |
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| cmug | Myrtti, do you use ovi? | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | no, not really | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | hate it | 12:33 |
| cmug | you can integrate flickr to ovi | 12:33 |
| cmug | Why? :-) | 12:34 |
| cmug | It has problems I agree | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | haven't seen any tools to integrate it to my Linux | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | not that I've looked | 12:34 |
| cmug | there are none, only email | 12:34 |
| cmug | afaik | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | the last time I looked at it I couldn't find anything from there :-/ | 12:35 |
| cmug | Yeah | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | I like the fact that flickr search is on search.creativecommons.org | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | and that the licenses are sane | 12:35 |
| cmug | OK, I can't comment about licenses because I am oblivious | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | my pictures are licensed by default on upload as cc-by-sa | 12:36 |
| cmug | ovi doesn't have a size limit, does flickr? | 12:36 |
| Myrtti | I don't remember the current terms, since I've paid for flickr for several years | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | but the pro accounts don't have restrictions | 12:37 |
| cmug | oh it costs | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | there is an option of not paying :-) | 12:37 |
| cmug | ok, just a thought about the flickr integration on ovi.. I have to run now | 12:37 |
| cmug | I mean I just thought about it | 12:37 |
| cmug | Toodles | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | hehe | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | tata | 12:39 |
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| Myrtti | CAEK. omnomnom | 12:56 |
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| suihkulokki | damn myrtti | 13:03 |
| suihkulokki | now I want cake | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morning VDVsx | 13:34 |
| VDVsx | morning Stskeeps | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, do you have beagleboard's at your univ lab ? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | in my office, yeah | 13:36 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ah you have a office :P | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - student programmer at a research centre | 13:37 |
| * Stskeeps glances at his tablet doing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU and sighs. | 13:37 | |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, besides the board, what should I need more, in terms of cables ? | 13:37 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, wooo, nice hack | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | lol | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: no, not nice hack, my tablet is broken :( | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | it does it in mer too :( | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | :( | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | but thank god i can still use it for skype, with a bit of target practice.. | 13:39 |
| VDVsx | I seen something similar in a old CRT screen | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: That can be the flat cable that is a bit lose, I think. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah.. i don't have a proper thing to open it with though | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | but may be able to find one | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | I guess that is your best option.. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/order.htm , IDC10 to DB9M bulkhead | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | There is this website showing nudies of the tablet, so you know how to open it and put it back together ;) | 13:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Or just grab the nokia l1 service manual ;) | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/DSCN0394.JPG is pretty much what you need for extensive use , https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/DSCN0394.JPG | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | er, double paste | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Or that. | 13:42 |
| _allen_ | VDVsx: hi, all | 13:43 |
| VDVsx | hello _allen_ | 13:43 |
| _allen_ | VDVsx: I don't have an Nokia N800 mobile, is this an requirement to apply the socialApp? | 13:44 |
| VDVsx | _allen_, no, you can use the maemo SDK :) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: on the other hand, this thing is excellent for detecting if something is doing too many screen updates.. | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | _allen_: It probably won't be as fun as when you have a tablet, but it can be done. | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: cos the image is stable when a lot of updates are being done ;) | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Heh ;) | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it is synchro which is off probably.. | 13:45 |
| _allen_ | VDVsx: can SDK be used to test the application? | 13:46 |
| keesj | Stskeeps: I used to do the same in the window3.1 timeframe using a TSR program | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. if this was intentional it would be interesting | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if mer with the automatic updates works ok | 13:51 |
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| keesj | does it shift for every screeen update? | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's really when it doesn't update or something | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | but it's awkward | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'm going to install mer to see something | 13:53 |
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| VDVsx | _allen_, yes | 14:04 |
| VDVsx | the majority of the GSoC projects don't require the actual device, the sdk should be enough :) | 14:05 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12 and b-man, are on the news again :) | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, I am? I didn't shoot him! :P | 14:06 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3386655708.html?kc=rss | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 14:06 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, going price locally for N800 seems to be 100-150E | 14:20 |
| ShadowJK | (used) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah, used | 14:21 |
| ShadowJK | It seems slightly unobtainable as new | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i guess so | 14:22 |
| ShadowJK | ah wait, one store at 200 | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | still, a lot of cash :P | 14:22 |
| thresh | i bought 810 for 180 EUR a month ago here | 14:22 |
| thresh | aftermarket, but unused | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: funny fact, it doesnt act up with automatic update mode, heh | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 14:27 |
| ShadowJK | The question is, is it software problem or hw problem? :-) You'd think sw would reset with pulling out battery though | 14:27 |
| diega | Hi, the proposals for GSoC are closed and atm you have to apply to some published idea, right? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i think it's a HW or a kernel problem | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Hmm then it sounds more like a software issue indeed. | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yes or no .. fb_update_mode auto heals the problem | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | but is arse slow obviously | 14:30 |
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| VDVsx | diega, no | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | diega, you can propose your own idea | 14:34 |
| diega | VDVsx: thanks, porting some application could apply or is just to easy? | 14:35 |
| VDVsx | diega, depends | 14:35 |
| VDVsx | diega, which app do you have in mind | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | ? | 14:36 |
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| diega | VDVsx, I was thinking on porting Comix 4.0 which is a totally rewritten of the already 3.6 ported | 14:37 |
| VDVsx | diega, it should be a very easy task for a 3 month project | 14:38 |
| diega | VDVsx, yes, I though that | 14:39 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hey yerga | 14:45 |
| yerga | Hi qwerty12_N800 | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, tearfree fullscreen rgb scrolling o_O | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes.. | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| lcuk | have you removed the battery and stuff | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but now i've found that fb_update_mode auto will cure the problem.. not best way, but i dont want video on my tablet anyhow | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 15:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | baa RST38h | 15:02 |
| PugVader | it's like "yaay. no pants today" | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, manual vs auto mode. which is default in use in diablo | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | manual | 15:05 |
| lcuk | ie the software itself decides when to call a refresh | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:06 |
| lcuk | which generally does a small patch update | 15:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Auto, I've noticed, doesn't play nice with XSP. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, it's better than a dead n800 | 15:07 |
| RST38h | oh yessss | 15:07 |
| RST38h | fbreader updated | 15:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 recommends to backup /usr/share/FBReader/icons before updating... | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, so is this with default diablo itself or some frankenbuild | 15:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Also, their version of libbz2 on their site is older than Nokia's version. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: default diablo | 15:12 |
| lcuk | you got bootmenu thing installed | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, now i do | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | had to test mer | 15:14 |
| lcuk | and does that croll | 15:15 |
| lcuk | s | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it does, occasionally | 15:15 |
| lcuk | congratulations! you have created an alien | 15:16 |
| lcuk | anyway, vanishing will bbl | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: new icons look ok | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: not to me imho | 15:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: although I understand what you mean, they aren't that likeable | 15:59 |
| RST38h | just "ok" | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 15:59 |
| * RST38h does not like what has been done to the progress bar though | 15:59 | |
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| RST38h | the original progress bar (with chapter marks) looks way uglier now | 16:00 |
| * rmt yawns. | 16:07 | |
| rmt | It's been a tough morning. | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 16:07 |
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| * Jaffa yawns | 16:17 | |
| Stskeeps | morning | 16:17 |
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| * Stskeeps is updating theme stuffies | 16:18 | |
| * Jaffa thinks it might be "package libgee into extras" night tonight. | 16:18 | |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: any new screenshots showing consistent icon sizes in the top bar, and using wazd's new templates? (Saw the artwork page: nice) | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | working on the theme right now | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/screenshot03.png | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | is quite close | 16:20 |
| RST38h | the personalisation window thing should really be transparent =) | 16:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: like http://i42.tinypic.com/2ce3pz5.png :p | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Naah, the background has to show through but not the other windows | 16:40 |
| lbt | anyone know what puts the 'X' in the top left corner of an app - window manager - is it "hildon desktop" ? | 16:41 |
| lbt | top right | 16:41 |
| RST38h | probably matchbox | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matchbox | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: usually, but in mer it's HD | 16:41 |
| lbt | ta - I'm debugging why Qt apps are kill -9'ed when X is hit... it's rude | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | lbt: because if you kill 'em gently they are not guaranteed to die? | 16:47 |
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| lbt | it should send WM signals AFAIK... it's a bug | 16:47 |
| lbt | probably in the maemo-isation of QT | 16:48 |
| * RST38h scream DIE! DIE! and kills a QT application with extreme prejudice | 16:48 | |
| RST38h | s/scream/screams | 16:48 |
| lbt | oh so you do run Qt apps then :) | 16:49 |
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| * RST38h does it hypothetically =) | 16:52 | |
| RST38h | (in WindowsXP right now) | 16:52 |
| * lbt feels for RST38h and quietly lights a candle whilst offering up a few words to The Spaghetti Lord | 16:54 | |
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| PugVader_ | is there xkill for maemo? :) | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | theres always something in the way of relaxing | 17:38 |
| lcuk | now the wii has stopped eating games disks | 17:38 |
| * qwerty12_N800 's philosophy: iso's over disks | 17:38 | |
| lcuk | somehow i dont think an iso would help | 17:39 |
| lcuk | or can i play from memory card | 17:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I *think* you can play from memory card (don't own a wii). When I played on my old xbox, I'd transfer iso's over the network onto its hard drive :) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | no hard drive | 17:41 |
| lcuk | and no triwing screwdriver == unhappy jacob | 17:41 |
| lbt | have you tried blowing into the slot? | 17:42 |
| lbt | dust | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | .. or toys | 17:42 |
| lcuk | i think its a sticker, some disks play, others make a growling noise that wakes the dead | 17:43 |
| lcuk | kinda like puttin a lolly stick in your bike ;) | 17:43 |
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| lbt | go to maplin and buy a tri-wing.... | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | lbt, maplin kit with triwings are head adapters and are too large (girth) for the holes | 17:48 |
| * lcuk investigated earlier | 17:48 | |
| lcuk | ive ordered one from ebay | 17:48 |
| lbt | lemme go look at mine | 17:49 |
| lbt | I was going to say | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you know much about themes? | 17:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: not a lot | 17:56 |
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| qwerty12 | But, out of interest, why? :) | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | i just wonder cos well, i have a icon file in themes/X/images, but it doesn't override the icon from /usr/share/icons/hildon | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | What icon is this meant to replace? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | qgn_grid_tasknavigator_others for instance | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Have you refreshed icon cache and rebooted? | 17:58 |
| joyrider | say how come default installed SDL lib doesn't play ogg ? | 17:58 |
| joyrider | mean sdl_mixer | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hildon , yeah | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | and rebooted | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm :/ | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | and the theme did hildon-theme-cache | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | r | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | joyrider: OS2008 doesn't support OGG by default - only by way of a community package by kulve. I built the diablo sdlmixer which supports OGG here: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/sdl/ but I wouldn't pass that deb around for people to install - I didn't do much testing on it | 18:00 |
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| joyrider | i see so no ogg support basicly :/ | 18:01 |
| joyrider | what about mp3 files it doesn't seem to be willing to play that either | 18:01 |
| joyrider | or do i have to get the smpeg lib | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, it's not built with smpeg support either. I think I built one with smpeg for ukki somewhere | 18:02 |
| joyrider | i see so only mods then | 18:02 |
| joyrider | and i can't find any wav to mod converter, if that even exists :/ | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | But for oggs, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/s/sdl-mixeroggwav1.2/ exists - afaik, you use that as your build dep instead when building for extras | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I guess wavs too looking at the name | 18:04 |
| joyrider | hmm it already played wav's at least for sound | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | bblater | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Ok, I think I got it. In /usr/share/icons/, make a folder with the name of your theme and place the icon you want replacing in your icons/<theme> folder with the same structure as hicolor and do a "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/<theme>" and reboot | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, that's interesting | 18:24 |
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| TPC | when trying to flash the firmware of my N800 on linux I get the following error: "Unable to enumerate USB buses! | 18:30 |
| TPC | " | 18:31 |
| TPC | any ideas what could be wrong? the device shows up fine in dmesg, and usbfs is mounted | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. and you're root? | 18:31 |
| TPC | yes | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | w | 18:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tried the perl trick here: | 18:32 |
| TPC | note that this is on a home-made linux distro (loosely based on linuxfromscratch) so I may not have some udev rules or something that most distros have | 18:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing | 18:32 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | TPC: ah, all bets are off then | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | usbfs sounds a bit fucky | 18:33 |
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| TPC | qwerty12_N800, I'll try it | 18:34 |
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| TPC | qwerty12_N800, that perl trick doesn't seem to do anything | 18:37 |
| TPC | qwerty12_N800, the md5sum of the flasher is identical after running the script | 18:37 |
| TPC | and when I do a manual grep for the string its supposed to change on the flasher it doesn't find anything | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Odd. I haven't actually had a need to use it myself though, so I dunno how/if it works :/ | 18:38 |
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| TPC | I guess I'll try doing it in some more common linux distro in a virtual machine | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone good with Inkscape? :P | 18:52 |
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| TPC | hah, figured out the problem | 18:55 |
| TPC | I had the wrong version of libusb, the flasher requires the older version | 18:55 |
| TPC | I guess I'll report it as a bug to libusb, since the libusb website says that the new version + their compatiblity library should make all apps that used the old version work, even without a recompile | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:58 |
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| TPC | and more importantly, it was successful, its not stuck in a reboot loop anymore after doing ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R | 19:03 |
| TPC | :) | 19:03 |
| TPC | what does that do, tell it to still boot even if some init script is failing? | 19:03 |
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| TPC | and if my guess was correct, is there some log file or something where I can check exactly what the problem was? | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | if it gets stuck in a reboot loop something is usually wrong :P | 19:04 |
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| TPC | well, I ran an update last night, it updated 6 packages, so maybe that did something | 19:05 |
| TPC | or maybe it was the fact that I disabled metalayer-crawler from starting | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | there aren't really logs - you can install ksyslog, enable framebuffer to see boot messages on screen or boot from initfs to see boot messages being dumped to your console | 19:06 |
| TPC | ok | 19:06 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, ping | 19:42 |
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| slonopotamus | i crashed drawing app :) tried to doubletouch it :) | 19:42 |
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| Cruelkix | anybody here? | 20:02 |
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| slonopotamus | yep | 20:02 |
| Cruelkix | hi | 20:02 |
| Cruelkix | this is my first time on the irc channel | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 20:02 |
| Cruelkix | yes im a noob and im sorry | 20:02 |
| Cruelkix | ive been on the forums a lot | 20:02 |
| slonopotamus | irc is simple from user perspective | 20:03 |
| Cruelkix | im having problems setting up my scratchbox environment on my ubuntu 8.10 install | 20:03 |
| Cruelkix | for some reason scratchbox wont let me switch to the X86 | 20:04 |
| slonopotamus | ~greet Cruelkix | 20:04 |
| * infobot dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Cruelkix | 20:04 | |
| Cruelkix | haha | 20:04 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | Cruelkix: did you apply the vdso stuff? | 20:05 |
| Cruelkix | yeah | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | infobot, and you call that a greeting? :-/ | 20:05 |
| Cruelkix | i used sudo sysctl vm.vdso_enabled=0 | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it's some sortof greeting | 20:06 |
| Cruelkix | nothin like an oatmeal shower | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: saw my fantastic video? :P | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope | 20:06 |
| Cruelkix | i also went into grub and changed that, but im not sure i did it right. pressed "e" on the kernal and added vsdo=0 | 20:07 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you & two blondes? :P | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU , and think for a second if that happened to your tablet. it's a bit like watching someone getting their balls kicked. :P | 20:07 |
| Cruelkix | haha | 20:08 |
| Cruelkix | nice vid | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | omg | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | Cruelkix: this is what my tablet is doing right now. | 20:08 |
| Cruelkix | oh | 20:08 |
| slonopotamus | how you did that? | 20:09 |
| Cruelkix | i thought you wrote something to make that happen | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no idea, but i'm not happy. | 20:09 |
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| Cruelkix | that sucks | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, reboot didn't help? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: nop. it even happens in mer splash. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i've discovered fb_update_mode auto fixes it for the while. | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, isn't it in auto by default? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | nop, manual | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | which is a lot faster | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hacked kernel? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | nop. | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | straight flash. | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | ah, right | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | so yeah | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | at least i can develop on mer with omapfb, but not with xserver-xomap, heh | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | xserver-xorg-video-omapfb uses automatic mode, it doesn't do manual updates | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | and hence the picture is stable | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | err. i didn't know that. so things will break if i enable manual mode with omapfb? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:13 |
| Cruelkix | Stskeeps: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=273551&postcount=13 | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | sad. we need someone to patch omapfb so it works in manual mode | 20:14 |
| Cruelkix | thats where i listed some of the error messages im getting | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Cruelkix: libGLES? O_o | 20:14 |
| Cruelkix | im assuming its because i am in armel | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, it is. | 20:16 |
| Cruelkix | hi qwerty | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | Hey Cruelkix | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: did i tell you our source xserver-xomap builds in normal environments now? | 20:16 |
| Cruelkix | i cant switch out of it though | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | sb-conf select DIABLO_X86 | 20:16 |
| Cruelkix | scratchbox wont let me | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | kill all processes in scratchbox | 20:17 |
| Cruelkix | did that | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's a menu point for it | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | reboot machine | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:17 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, no. it didn't? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: nop, but it does now | 20:17 |
| Cruelkix | :) | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Cruelkix, Use sb-menu and choose signal 9 for killing | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | And are you trying to use Fremantle SDK or Diablo's one? | 20:17 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, does it have anything yseful but manual update mode support? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it's a hell lot faster. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's a tradeoff | 20:18 |
| Cruelkix | 9 did it | 20:18 |
| Cruelkix | thanks qwerty | 20:18 |
| slonopotamus | how you measure speed? | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it feels faster and i can actually see myself typing on HIM. | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | with the feedback colors | 20:19 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, huh. do you know what's the difference between auto/manual? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it isn't 'faster'. it just has smarter screen update logic | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | right, but the image gets to me faster. | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i think you can set auto refresh to 60gz and everything will feeled as fast | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, of course it'll eat battery | 20:22 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, the right solution is to teach omapfb driver to do manual refreshes | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not the man for that :) | 20:23 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, maybe someone should get in touch with omapfb devs | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: they're sitting in here.. | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | who? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, kulve and zuh (in another channel) | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | how's gentoo going btw? | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | we've been much been around nitdroid, ubuntu, mer, maemo the latest month in the online newscycle :P | 20:25 |
| kulve | plop | 20:26 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, good. tslib with debian patches was added to main tree. next candidate is omapfb driver | 20:26 |
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| slonopotamus | kulve, hello, mister :) are you really developing xf86-video-omapfb? | 20:27 |
| kulve | not very actively.. | 20:28 |
| kulve | because it works enough currently | 20:30 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, first, gcc-4 compat fix: http://rafb.net/p/gmxUnx30.html | 20:30 |
| kulve | that's no gcc-4 compat fix, that just a generic bug fix ;) | 20:31 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, second, could you estimate how hard it would be to implement manual update mode that is present in xomap? | 20:31 |
| kulve | when to do the manual update? | 20:32 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, dunno, i wrote it to build omapfb and i used gcc-4 while others (mer/maemo) are on gcc-3. | 20:32 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, when image changes :) | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's a hint of manual updates in xv already but not in general | 20:33 |
| kulve | I guess nothing happens unless the image changes. I think the manual update is done to skip some updates and do them a bit later.. | 20:33 |
| kulve | i.e. the updates are already done when the image changes. The manual update is there to override this behaviour | 20:34 |
| kulve | but I'm not completely sure | 20:34 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, auto mode refreshes screen with N frequency (20hz) by default. it is too slow for intensive video but too fast to eat battery | 20:34 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, and in manual mode xomap tells screen to refresh | 20:35 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, sorry for not-very-technical terms, i didn't not develop such low-level things | 20:38 |
| kulve | I don't see how the manual mode would improve the situation.. And actually I'm not sure what it does.. Instructs the LCD controller to update the screen from the framebuffer memory? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | basically, yeah | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | you see, when we use xf86-video-omapfb, it doesn't update as frequently and hence feels sluggish | 20:40 |
| kulve | and how often the LCD can update the screen? | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | anytime you ask it to i guess | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | so when you have changed something in framebuffer you can ask it to refresh | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, lower battery usage when image is static and smoother image when it is actively changing (video playback, for example) | 20:41 |
| kulve | I don't believe that would work. There's no bandwitdh to update it too fastly | 20:41 |
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| slonopotamus | kulve, too - right. but 20hz isn't max limit i think | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, xomap is actively asking for updates | 20:41 |
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| kulve | from whom..? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:42 |
| kulve | the application draws when it has something to draw | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, at least manual mode with omapfb/xomap is visually slower than auto mode with xomap | 20:43 |
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| kulve | manual mode is slower? | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | err | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: other way around :) | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | right | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, the question is when image comes to screen. 20hz introduces some lag | 20:44 |
| kulve | when e.g. a browser starts to draw something to the screen, it may do it in several operations | 20:45 |
| kulve | instructing the LCD controller refresh the screen on every draw might make things even more wrong | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, it looks like xomap does it in a bit saner way | 20:46 |
| kulve | so I guess some sort of delay in certain cases might be neede | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | but it is not waiting for the lcd to update at the "automatic" interval | 20:46 |
| kulve | but I'm not sure where to implement this manual update as I'm not sure if the drawing commands go through the xf86-video-omapfb at all since it's not implementing EXA/etc.. | 20:47 |
| kulve | I can try asking zuh, he's more expert on this | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, okay. maybe someone should dig xomap source to see how they implement it | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hw/kdrive/omap looks like a good place to start | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | in it | 20:49 |
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| * slonopotamus should mention he never wrote a line of code in C :) | 20:49 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | but the manual update issue is really the only showstopper, - for the 770/n8x0 | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | as it makes any system using it feel sluggish :) | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | showstopper for throwing out xomap, right? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, that and rotation, but that's probably another issue | 20:51 |
| kulve | I haven't noticed such "slugginess", at least not something I could identify being cause by this manual update | 20:51 |
| kulve | but I haven't used n8x0 much with something else that maemo | 20:51 |
| kulve | just some testing every now and then | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* it's usable, but you can see there's some frames missing occasionally | 20:52 |
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| slonopotamus | kulve, try enabling auto mode and press vvkb buttons. you can easily see that buttons are showed as pressed slower than in auto mode. | 21:00 |
| slonopotamus | and minimizing/maximising windows produces frames with parts of window | 21:01 |
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| kulve | the avarage delay because of the manual update is 10ms.. | 21:03 |
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| kulve | sorry, auto update | 21:03 |
| kulve | even my LCD at home can't do anything in that time | 21:04 |
| kulve | (a bit older lcd..) | 21:04 |
| kulve | are there some facts about how the LCD works in manual/auto mode? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | theres problably some x11isms in there with the updating which slows it down further, ie x11 doing the normal transfer and wasting cpu writing to its offscreen buffer before its transfered | 21:07 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, can you point at kernel place with 20hz info? | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kulve: apart from speed, it's also a matter of compat. In Maemo, mplayer won't work when in auto mode properly and games using XSP only render in a 1/4 sized area. | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | i don't have sources here | 21:08 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, cant you put mplayer into a different render mode (xv) and see | 21:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | -vo xv? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: some here , http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/44808 , http://tinyurl.com/c3gx34 | 21:09 |
| lcuk | yeah i think so | 21:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: in xv output, it does show the video properly (albeit slowly) in auto mode | 21:11 |
| lcuk | curious, liqbase should run then as well.. ;) | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | woo! Stskeeps, cool link | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, anyway. people are interested in using omapfb but this issue makes it problematic | 21:21 |
| lcuk | especially frustrating because the diablo one works | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | *for most values of work | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 21:27 |
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| kulve | testing manual mode with XV would be trivial as there the frame is drawn through the x-v-o, but I don't know how hard it would be to do it with normal draws | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-newui.png <- the 64x64 icons really help :P | 21:34 |
| kulve | so, the manual updates tells when to feed the data to the LCD controller (and not the way I guessed earlier) | 21:38 |
| kulve | afaik, the n8x0 memory bandwidth to the lcd controller is too slow for many things, so the manual update can't be done too often | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think xomap tries to push as much through up to a certain limit | 21:39 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, the question here in not 'how often' but 'when'. | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i think it's an optimization algorithm over damaged areas really | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, X knows when pressed button was drawn. asynchronous update doesn't | 21:41 |
| kulve | yeah, so there needs to be a timer and if enough time has passed since the last update, then a new update can be done immediately. Otherwise we need to wait until the minimum time has passed | 21:41 |
| kulve | slonopotamus: X knows, xf86-video-omapfb might not.. | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, you can even see half-pressed buttons in auto mde, btw. because asynchronous update happened in the middle of draw | 21:42 |
| kulve | yea | 21:43 |
| kulve | h | 21:43 |
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| xnt | hello all | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, are there any docs on events that X video driver receives? | 21:45 |
| kulve | slonopotamus: yup. But it depends what the driver does | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, err... what omapfb does? :) | 21:45 |
| kulve | e.g. the maemo 5 X does EXA, so every operation is passed through it. But the x-v-o doesn't | 21:45 |
| * timeless sighs | 21:46 | |
| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ Gtk IM? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | evening timeless | 21:46 |
| timeless | things like 'precomit' | 21:46 |
| kulve | slonopotamus: I think x-v-o leaves all the operations to be handled generically by the X | 21:46 |
| timeless | or commit | 21:46 |
| timeless | whatever | 21:46 |
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| xnt|gaming | ok im bored, so im going to play lbp | 21:47 |
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| kulve | slonopotamus: there's empty EXA implementation, where the x-v-o just asks X to fallback to default (all operations are done by pixman), but that adds quite a overhead because of extra function calls. I guess only one operation would be needed though (something that actually pushes the data to the screen) but I'm don't know how to doit | 21:49 |
| timeless | anyone here have firefox, thunderbird, or fennec available for their n8x0? | 21:51 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 21:59 | |
| timeless | so... | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: last time i saw tb died on the spot, afaik | 22:00 |
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| slonopotamus | kulve, i'll try to dig xomap source | 22:00 |
| * Stskeeps continues burying himself in theme stuff. | 22:00 | |
| slonopotamus | kulve, please don't forget about my patch with stdint.h :) | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, btw. is that intentional that x-v-o doesn't have any releases? | 22:01 |
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| timeless | sts: can you try firefox? | 22:03 |
| timeless | i'm perfectly fine w/ using ssh forwarding | 22:03 |
| timeless | it doesn't need to be a local firefox/thunderbird | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: did you see my brilliant video btw? i have a bit of trouble with my N800 atm :) | 22:03 |
| kulve | slonopotamus: the developtment isn't active enough to have releases (imo) | 22:03 |
| timeless | i just need you to be foolish enough to use the Maemo4 input methods w/ a Gecko | 22:03 |
| timeless | sts: no, url? | 22:03 |
| * timeless pokes kulve | 22:03 | |
| kulve | slonopotamus: and no, I or zuh will apply your patch "soonish".. | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU | 22:04 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, 'releases' are good for adding to distros. | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: then again, so are revisions | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, well, tarballs are more simple to use :) | 22:06 |
| timeless | sts: scrolling, awesome | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, of course they are not strictly required, but _usually_ if one opens project page, he sees 'download' area with source tarballs | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | s/project/opensource project/ | 22:08 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: Stskeeps, of course they are not strictly required, but _usually_ if one opens opensource project page, he sees 'download' area with source tarballs | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | and developer list with their contacts :) | 22:09 |
| kulve | slonopotamus: that's true | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | What's /sys/class/graphics/fb0/pan ? | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:11 |
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| timelE61i | sTs: actually, i think i need an n810 for this test | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, HW issue, not SW it seems like. Setting automatic update mode fixes it but slows down things obviously | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | kulve, x-v-o will soon be added to Gentoo main tree :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: it's excellent for finding apps which doesn't do many screen updates, as the image stabilizes then, heh | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | er, reverse, that does many updates | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, firefox2 ok? | 22:15 |
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| timelE61i | sUre | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | Moz1.0 would be too | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | Sts: heh | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | firefox/iceweasel running on my debian machine, display over X on N810.. | 22:19 |
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| * ShadowJK googles maemo4 input methods in said firefox and notices Fn key isn't sticky | 22:21 | |
| timelE61i | wElcome to maemo | 22:23 |
| timelE61i | Where everything is done wrong | 22:23 |
| timelE61i | We endeavor to break as many x and gtk conentions as possible | 22:23 |
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| timelE61i | s/nen/nven/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | timelE61i meant: We endeavor to break as many x and gtk conventions as possible | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody confirm that the last two edits are both valid and safe? http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Booting_from_a_flash_card&action=history | 22:28 |
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| * Stskeeps looks | 22:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i guess there's the possibily that the 'current' link gets broken | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm somewhat inclined to switch back to a true manual method from that script. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish penguinbait would document one of his automated methods already. . . . | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i don't have the guts to even try out that script. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the one I've used since way back when | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine | 22:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not sure how interested milhouse (prod) is in maintaining it | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and penguinbait's methods are slightly more automatic. | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but .. linus.wav | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The script does need to be changed to insert the modules properly | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | i still go -wtf- each time canola picks it up | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 sounds like just the person to provide a patch, doesn't he, Stskeeps? :P | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: from /media/mmc2/myloves? :P | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'd put 10 quid on his paypal if he did a version with bootmenu items instead | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not on a tablet I'm not :P | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | USPS seems to be shipping my package in reverse. . . . | 22:34 |
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| timelE61i | reverse? Cool. | 22:34 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if his scrolling lcd changes direction when rotated. | 22:35 | |
| Stskeeps | (i doubt it, but hey..) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | does your scrolling lcd work properly - do mouse events occur in their "normal" place, or do they roll as well | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, first it was moving about their facilities, now they're receiving shipping information. | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | nah, they don't roll, but usability wise it sucks having to consider if you're going to chase the display or stay in place. | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: Next time you have iPod Touch vs. N800: Pretend the N800 has a accelerometer :P | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | lol | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i have asked lcuk if he can make some nice effects based on this :P | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | "The dodgy Northerner" | 22:38 |
| lcuk | well, i COULD invert the effect and give you a nice tearfree unscrolling display :D | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | but everyone would think i was mad for even attempting such a thing. "the n8x0 cannot do tearfree static images" they will say | 22:38 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800, Stskeeps: what do you think of my new guide? :) | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: looks good, but after trying it, my tablet is scrolling it's LCD. | 22:39 |
| b-man | scroling it's lcd? | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: looks great :) | 22:40 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: thanks :) | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU | 22:41 |
| b-man | wtf!?!? 0.o | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i'm sure it's your guide's fault. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm kidding. this happened last night.) | 22:42 |
| b-man | oh :P | 22:43 |
| b-man | that's still verry strange XD | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and i don't have warranty. but it works when fb_update_mode auto, heh | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | good thing i don't use my tablet for videos.. | 22:44 |
| b-man | lol | 22:44 |
| * b-man bookmarks the video XD | 22:45 | |
| Stskeeps | now, imagine if that happened to your tablet. | 22:46 |
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| * Stskeeps gets back to working on the mer theme - http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-newui2.png so far | 22:46 | |
| ShadowJK | So what's the pan thing in omapfb/*/pan? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | Hardware scrolling? that'd be neat for, uh, scrolling things fullscreen | 22:46 |
| b-man | lol | 22:47 |
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| ShadowJK | no seriously, that's how it was done in VGA days, the graphics card had register for a offset | 22:48 |
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| ShadowJK | so the hw scrolled for you, and you filled in the new pixels, instead of moving bunch of data around | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'll check, sec | 22:49 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's too good to be hardware issue. tried reflashing kernel/initfs? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: complete flash. it even does it in mer. | 22:49 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, or pulling out battery | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | tried different batteries | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: that's btw only one of the things it does | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it shakes instead | 22:50 |
| slonopotamus | uh. very strange behaviour. when hardware failt, it usually... err... fails. | 22:50 |
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| ShadowJK | indeed | 22:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: for a mer kernel; I'll disable OTG device whitelisting, add pH5's patch to change opmode on the fly, fanoush's patch to remove "menelaus: Setting voltage..." messages in dmesg, fanoush's patch which correctly gives device nodes for mmcs on N810, rndis patch, jott's rotation and a quickie patch of mine to remove "EAC mode..." messages from dmesg | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | RNDIS, rotation? | 22:52 |
| slonopotamus | mer kernel? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we're basically establishing a good patchset | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Oh, and produce a separate image with it set to boot from mtdblock4 | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus: 2.6.21 | 22:52 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: rndis windows fix and you know what rotation is | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | there it was, sorry | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't read it through completely | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | correct device nodes? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | i was temporarily seasick from the rotating display | 22:53 |
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| slonopotamus | that should first n800 virus | 22:55 |
| slonopotamus | n8x0 | 22:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, did you kick/drop it recently? | 22:56 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, did it start scrolling after reboot? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK: not sure on the specifics but it fixes it when the (internal/external?) card is sometimes mmcblk0 and sometimes it's mmcblk1 | 22:57 |
| thopiekar | what are the n8x0'S using? alsa or oss? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | magic fairies, i think | 22:57 |
| slonopotamus | oss is dead | 22:57 |
| Cruelkix | can you add the extras-devel repo to your scratchbox eviornment? | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | thopiekar, gstreamer ;) | 22:58 |
| thopiekar | :| | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cruelkix: yep | 22:58 |
| Cruelkix | qwerty12_N800: so ummm how would you go about doing it? | 22:58 |
| thopiekar | so alsa or oss? if alsa I would need a new version of alsa-lib to build pulseaudio for diablo.. | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cruelkix: look @ http://repository.maemo.org/#extras and place relevant entries in /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:59 |
| Cruelkix | ah | 22:59 |
| Cruelkix | ok | 22:59 |
| slonopotamus | thopiekar, alsa | 23:00 |
| thopiekar | k | 23:00 |
| thopiekar | thx | 23:00 |
| slonopotamus | thopiekar, libasound2-dev - headers package | 23:00 |
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| thopiekar | kk but diablos libasound-dev is outdated for the version of pulseaudio of fremantle | 23:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, and? | 23:03 |
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| thopiekar | configure fails when searching for asound-dev.. | 23:03 |
| b-man | xnt|gaming: are you here? - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=273595 | 23:04 |
| b-man | ^new guide | 23:04 |
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| * b-man wonders what he can do with http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubuntu | 23:09 | |
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| b-man | ~seen xnt|gaming | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | [[Redirect:Mer]]? | 23:11 |
| infobot | xnt|gaming is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 23m 56s, last said: 'ok im bored, so im going to play lbp'. | 23:11 |
| * Stskeeps ducks. | 23:11 | |
| b-man | lol | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: did you get the icons issue sorted? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: not yet, but you're right, that's the direction to go | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm just pondering how to include it in the theme | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | probably .links or whatever | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Packaging wise? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Do you have your current work uploaded, I can take a gander tomorrow? | 23:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-theme-liberty-mer | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'll continue figuring out the active buttons, hh | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 23:16 |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 23:26 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, did you try echo things into that pan file? would be interesting | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | I'm too scared to try :P | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:28 |
| Cruelkix | whats the command to list available apps that are in your repositories from the command line? | 23:30 |
| Cruelkix | cant figure it out | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get search | 23:31 |
| Cruelkix | ty | 23:31 |
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| Cruelkix | in my scratchbox enviornment its says that that is an invalid operation | 23:31 |
| Cruelkix | ? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no effect | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK: echoing 0,0 (the default) works, echoing any other number says "invalid argument" | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | aw | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: there's a FBIOPAN_DISPLAY ioctl though | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:_MW5QZevXtAJ:https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/osso-af-utils/1.6-1/src/fb-progress.c+omapfb+pan&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=dk | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | er | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/osso-af-utils/1.6-1/src/fb-progress.c | 23:32 |
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| Cruelkix | so i added deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel free non-free to my sources.list | 23:50 |
| b-man | hay, z4chh :) | 23:50 |
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| Cruelkix | but when i try to apt-get hex-a-hop or something it says E: Couldnt find package hex-a-hop | 23:51 |
| Cruelkix | anyone want to tell me what im doing wrong cuz im an idiot | 23:51 |
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| xnt | b-man: im here :) | 23:53 |
| * xnt clicks link | 23:53 | |
| b-man | XD | 23:53 |
| * xnt notices his name in credits :) | 23:54 | |
| b-man | :) | 23:54 |
| xnt | b-man: thanks :) | 23:54 |
| b-man | np :) | 23:54 |
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| b-man | xnt: btw, sorry for not responding last night, i fell asleep XP | 23:55 |
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| * xnt knows how b-man feels | 23:56 | |
| xnt | I didn't wakup untill 2:00 | 23:56 |
| b-man | heh | 23:56 |
| b-man | xnt: btw, i noticed you have an eee pc | 23:57 |
| xnt | lol | 23:57 |
| b-man | XD | 23:57 |
| xnt | how fast was that page on your connection? | 23:58 |
| b-man | it was fast | 23:58 |
| xnt | it took 21 seconds on my desktop pc with fios? | 23:59 |
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