IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-03-18

Stskeepsopengeekv2: but understand me right, i just wonder what exists that could be nice :)00:00
Stskeepslike, i don't know of any localization infrastructure beyond launchpad00:01
opengeekv2Ok, i know some gnome translators that i know andask them what they use to translate00:01
xntStskeeps: I think that Mer Would benefit from a new ui, a ui that would adjust to..., say the nit, which is 800x480, the user would have an option to choose between hildon, and the Mer ui. the ui could adjust to be a cross between gnome/kde, and the mer nit ui, for Mer x86. what do you think?00:01
Stskeepsxnt: well, did you see wazd's ideas? :P00:02
opengeekv2Talking about mixng kde and gnome00:02
GeneralAntillesopengeekv2, there's no point in translating until strings are stable.00:02
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opengeekv2My father has an eeepc and the ui sucks and is a mix of gtk and qt and other things00:03
xntstskeeps: that just inspired me to make my own mockup :)00:03
jaemopengeekv2: yeah, eeepc default is pretty lousy00:03
Stskeepsxnt: hehe, well, if you have the skills :P00:03
jaemtry UbuntuEEE, or whatever it's called these days00:03
opengeekv2Ths only mskes the ui incondistent and confusing00:04
xntjaem: easy peasy, I used to have it on my eee 70100:04
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jaemalso, Canonical is releasing the Netbook Remix properly with Jaunty, IIRC00:04
opengeekv2Yes i know, now he has ububtu netbook remix installed00:04
lardman|afknight chaps00:05
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prometoyshi, I tried to flash a n800 and got an error wondering what to do know (or not)...00:05
jaemoh man, those "pastebin errors" are usually bad news00:06
opengeekv2Or maybe i would say ubuntu  with some gnome-panel applets and a program that makes windiw borders disaperar and tto be ever maximized00:06
jaemNetbook Remix is basically just some mods and extensions to the GNOME desktop00:06
xntopengeekv2: well IMO, the ui should have a  universal menu scheme, like the Mer logo Menu in the top right corner for both x86 and nit uis, and I think the hildon menu system would work nicely with both uis00:06
jaembut the official "Netbook Remix" hasn't been released, last I checked - just its constituent parts, which you can install for the same effect00:07
* xnt thinks that that error is bad news00:07
jaemxnt: it certainly doesn't look good00:07
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opengeekv2If you only have a menu yo will need more clicks to run apps00:08
xntok the bootloader flashed ok (good news) the kernel flashed, then the initfs flash failed...00:09
prometoysjaem, xnt: about which error do you talk?00:09
jaemthe last two lines00:09
xntprometoys: the initfs flashing failed, the initfs is when you see the loading bar, when you boot, without it you cant boot maemo00:10
Stskeepsactually initfs doesn't do anything with the loading bar :)00:10
prometoysxnt: ok. can I try to reflash it? can I disconnect it from usb now?00:10
xntdo not disconnect it from the usb yet00:10
xntare you running this as root?00:11
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prometoysxnt: yes00:11
xntok, then what does the n800 show?00:11
prometoysxnt: the nokia logo and the usb logo in the upper right corner00:12
prometoysthe LED is shining blue00:12
xntok ,so don't reboot it and dont disconnect it00:12
prometoysxnt: ok00:12
opengeekv2Hey i go out of there ok?00:12
xntrun dmesg, and put it in pastebin, we need to see the kernel messages00:13
opengeekv2Ill investigate abou onlone translating systems00:13
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prometoysxnt: voila
xntok wait00:15
jaempastebin length limit?00:16
jaemI don't see anything past the boot00:16
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prometoysmaybe a problem of dmesg, i compare it with syslog00:16
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jaemprometoys: dmesg |tail -n 2000:17
jaemor maybe more than 2000:17
jaemwe just need the last bunch of lines00:17
mmatthwhere could i ask a question about osso & registering your app so that it'll handle files opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ?00:17
jaemprobably here00:18
prometoyshow much lines do you see in pastebin, I see 687 and its complete00:18
jaemI do too...00:18
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jaemI'm getting used to Arch Linux logging format, and I can't remember quite how Ubuntu does it00:18
mmatthhow do you register an app to handle a certain mime type?00:19
* jaem doesn't feel like pulling up the remote Ubuntu VM00:19
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xntjaem: im running a ubuntu machine right now00:19
jaemxnt: what's your root password :P00:19
jaemjust kidding00:19
xntmy root pass is jaemwillnotgetmyrootpass00:20
xntok back to work00:20
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prometoysI cant see anything useful/different in syslog00:21
jaemyou have to run dmesg --show-useful-info00:21
xntStskeeps: should he try to reflash?00:22
prometoysright.. a second please ;)00:22
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jaemprometoys: you know I'm kidding...00:22
Stskeepsxnt: hell if i know, was in another console00:22
prometoyswhat sounds a littlle bit promising is "Write failed after 0 bytes", or not?00:23
prometoysjaem: of course :D00:23
Stskeepsprometoys: i will assume you are running it as root?00:23
prometoysStskeeps: yes00:23
Stskeepsand you perform it in accordance to00:23
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
xntprometoys: well I wouldn't reccomend reboot your n800 with a new bl and kernel, and old initfs00:23
Stskeepsprometoys: and you use the nokia usb cable?00:24
prometoysStskeeps: yes00:24
prometoysStskeeps: yes00:24
Stskeepsverify the image is actually for your tablet? :P00:24
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prometoysStskeeps: yes, RX3400:24
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prometoysI used  RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin00:25
* fireun wishes he had doublespace for his 77000:25
ShadowJKI think jffs2 does it anyway00:25
lcukits already compressed isnt it00:25
qwerty12_N800prometoys: what version were you upgrading from?00:25
prometoysqwerty12_N800: bora00:26
qwerty12_N800prometoys: flash to chinook first00:26
prometoysit's a new n800,00:26
jaemStskeeps: what? you mean these Nokia cables?
qwerty12_N800otherwise the  initfs partition size wont get increaseed00:26
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: otherwise the  initfs partition size wont get increased00:26
jaemI like how they excuse the obvious counterfeit by calling them "compatible", despite being a bit more than that :P00:26
prometoysbut can I just right now start flashing with another image?00:28
Stskeepsjust pop battery and try again00:29
xntqwerty12_n800: so the flasher wrote 0 bytes because it detected that is n800 is running bora?00:29
qwerty12_N800prometoys: Cancel it, flash to chinook & then to diablo00:29
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fireundoublespace my ram00:29
prometoysok, so it's not (totally) damaged right now?00:29
prometoysStskeeps: pop means put out and in ?00:30
prometoysthank you all for your help, I will try chinook now00:30
qwerty12_N800xnt: initfs partition size is too small to flash the initfs image so it wont even bother00:30
xntqwerty12_n800: oh ok thanks :)00:31
qwerty12_N800with diablo, the initfs size was increased by about 2mb - 2mb more than bora or chinook had :)00:31
xntok :)00:32
lcukyou wouldv thought it would have been tested, is it something that everyone upgrading hits?00:32
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qwerty12_N800lcuk: the assumed upgrade path  is chinook > diablo which works fine00:32
lcuki know itsn ot an OS< but we have an upgrade path from release 0.1 of our work software, i think they made that sometime in '9800:33
lcukits not an00:33
prometoysI am just wondering, this complicated flashing-stuff it going on my nerves, but the only feature would be "no need for upgrade path" and they messed up this too :D00:34
infobotssu is probably
* mgedmin wants the N810 to have a LED setting "on while charging"00:34
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prometoysGeneralAntilles: I know .. :D00:34
xnti mean br00:34
xntbrb , my keyboard is flaking out :(00:35
qwerty12_N800mgedmin: there's quite a few ways to achieve that00:35
prometoyswhich one is chinook? version 2.2007.51-3 ?00:35
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RST38hmgedmin: you may be able to hack something like this on your own00:36
xntmgedmin: Personally I would prefer to have the LED off while charging, it bugs me when I sleep00:36
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mgedminI just want to see from a distance when it's done charging (or when the flakey power cord stopped working again and needs tweaking)00:36
* RST38h rotates the tablet so that LED faces the wall, but it is kinda minor given the array of other LEDs present in the room00:36
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mgedminthe leather pouch should works quite well, I think00:37
xntmgedmin: but I wouldn't reccomend that you try it, one mistake and your tablet gone.00:38
mgedmincaution: may explode?00:38
Stskeepsit will grow legs and run away from you00:39
* jaem loves blinkenlights00:39
prometoysyeah, flashing runs :D00:39
* jaem wants a rack of blinkenlights in his living room, which he would drape with garland and tinsel at Christmas time00:40
* b-man uploads the new ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 image00:40
jaemthe rack and the tinsel aren't the problem... it's the servers that are expensive :P00:40
* jaem high fives b-man!00:40
qwerty12_N800mgedmin: use something  that responds to the dbus  signal of charger connected (acmonitor, dbus-scripts-settings, adv-power) and echo to /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode00:41
* b-man gives jeam a high five :D00:41
Stskeepsb-man: hint of advice btw, your post should probably mention people shouldn't ask about ubuntu-n8x0 in ubuntu channels as it's not their product :P00:41
jaemStskeeps: very good point00:41
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b-manStskeeps: i'll do that ;)00:41
jaemI seem to remember Ubuntu having a similar issue with something else a while back00:41
jaemwhere people drowned the forums in irrelevant requests00:42
* b-man needs to make a ubuntu-n8x0 channel00:42
Stskeepsjaem: technically b-man isn't even allowed to call it ubuntu, but that's another discussion00:42
jaemalso a good point00:42
ShadowJKjaem, looks like they don't have the plastic bit with the markings that make it look like Nokia (judging by the comments)00:42
jaemah... that's amusing00:42
xntb-man: hopefully when solca creates nitselector, i can try ubuntu-n8x0, I never cared about the android sdk because I didn't have a android device, so I like the idea of full blown ubuntu on my n810 :P00:43
ShadowJKjaem, actually in the picture there's no "Nokia" written on that plastic bit either, on the real thing there is :P00:43
* b-man cannot find a better project name... 00:43
b-manany suggestions?00:43
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jaemStskeeps: have you seen their TM violation letters?  Canonical's lawyers aren't just un-rabid - they're actually *friendly*00:43
xnt*correction* after android device, now I started developing for it00:43
jaemb-man: moblin00:44
* b-man is not calling it tabuntu XD00:44
jaemoh wait00:44
qwerty12_N800b-man: ubkia :p00:44
fasoDoes any1 know where I can download and install debootstrap from on nokia n810?00:44
b-manubkia? XP00:44
jaemfaso: I forget00:44
Stskeepsjaem: still, nothing makes parents more happy than a lawyer letter..00:44
jaemI would like to remember00:44
xntb-man: I always had trouble finding names for my projects :P00:45
jaemStskeeps: yeah, but they /are/ nice about it00:45
xnttabuntu lol00:45
jaemwhich is unheard of00:45
fasoI tried maemo-extras-devel but it doesnt help00:45
prometoysjaem, Stskeeps, xnt, thanks for your help. flashing worked and now diablo is annoying me with the setup wizard :D00:45
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jaemxnt: they have a wildcard trademark on *buntu, I believe00:45
Stskeepsprometoys: woo :)00:45
xntprometoys: np00:45
b-manxnt: yeah people laughed when i suggested it XP00:45
mib_2zv4klHello !00:45
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jaemprometoys: woot.00:45
jaemxnt, b-man: am I missing something?00:46
b-manand i remember Stskeeps being horified XD00:46
Stskeepsb-man: btw, heads up, might be going away00:46
b-manjeam: the tabuntu suggestion00:46
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KhertanI'm trying to change a TaskNavigatorItem widget in the TaskNav does this one is cached by maemo launcher ? as i can do what i want i can't change it00:46
* jaem doesn't get it00:46
prometoysit's the second day with the n800 and I still try to pull out the keyboard (like in my n810)00:47
jaemprometoys: pull harder00:47
fasob-man : I am following ur tips on getting jaunty on n810...I dont have debootstrap...Do u know how I can get that?00:47
Khertanprometoys: lol00:47
b-manStskeeps: noo! DX00:47
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b-manfaso: apt-get install debootstrap00:47
jaemoh - it's in the repos?00:48
jaemI forgot00:48
fasojaem, b-man : which repo is it ?00:48
prometoysjaem: definitely more useful then the handwriting recognition :)00:48
Khertanso noone have any idea ?00:48
jaemfaso: in the absence of a repo name, generally assume Extras - although in this case I'm not sure00:48
Stskeepsb-man: do me a favour sometime and see how much breaks if you simply bootstrap without pinning the mer repository, just having it alongside as a source..00:49
* b-man also cannot remember00:49
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Stskeepsb-man: and what packages you need to force to be from mer (through package=ver) stuff00:49
jaemfaso: extras-devel00:49
jaemjust remember to remove the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software00:50
infobotjaem meant: just remember to disable the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software00:50
Stskeepsb-man: because then we should wrap the ubuntu stuff into mer, as a variant, really.00:50
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fasou mean maemo-extras-devel ?00:50
fasoI tried it but it doesnt work00:51
jaem is the URL00:51
jaemwhat error did it give you?00:51
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b-manStskeeps: I use some of the kernel module and wireless firmware packages00:51
Stskeepsi assume some of the tslib/-tslib and hal packages as well00:52
* b-man is working on getting it all in he repo00:52
xntStskeeps: I like to wget -r some of my favorite sites, when there about to be taken down :P00:52
b-mannah XD00:53
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xntalthough I can mirror a site if you want, I have a Dreamhost Hosting Plan with alot of bandwidth :P00:56
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b-manStskeeps: when you mean by wraping up mer and ubuntu do you mean merging?00:59
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Stskeepsb-man: as in it really ought to be such that you can install gnome if you so want in mer or ubuntu core01:00
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* Stskeeps heads to bed01:03 in i could make a sys-env that's compatible with both systems01:03
b-manStskeeps: wait!01:04
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* xnt is bored01:04
* qwerty12_N800 starts on his Romeo & Juliet coursework that is due in tomorrow... >.<01:05
fasoI tried doing apt-get install debootstrap...then it gave me a broken package error01:05
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fasowonder how u guys did a debotostrap01:05
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b-manqwerty12_n800: your not allone, i had to do that last year as a freshman01:05
* xnt is supposed to be doing his homework instead of chatting in irc :P01:06
b-manqwerty12_N800: are you a sophmore? - just wondering..01:06
* fireun is bored, finals are over01:06
* fireun is watching the shuttle dock with the ISS01:07
z4chhi got a final tomorrow o_o01:07
fireunjust about to open the hatch01:07
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qwerty12_N800b-man: dunno how the American system of British "years" work - all i know is that I'm in my last year of secondary school :)01:07
b-mani'm only in my second year01:08
* mgedmin had 12 years of school and never understood where primary, secondary etc started and ended01:08
* xnt is really bored with school01:09
b-manprimary - k-6 secondary - 7-12.. i think01:09
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JaffaNot in the UK01:10
* b-man is in 10th grade01:10
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xntI was bored in lunch so i went to the tech lab, and booted a linux livecd with the android sdk and coded the whole period01:10
JaffaPrimary = 5-11, Secondary = 11 - 116/1801:10
z4chhhello Jaffa01:10
derfJaffa: b-man means grade, not age.01:10
* xnt is in the 8th grade01:11
JaffaAh. That's right then01:11
derfYeah, they're just about the same.01:11
derfExcept graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US.01:11
b-manyup XP01:12
xntschool is boring in the 8th grade01:12
Khertangood night01:12
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b-manxnt: 7th and 8th were the most interesting for me01:13
z4chhgot a girlfriend did you? >.<01:14
xntI hate my school, they force us to use windows and IE, and we have no wifi what so ever, and the only computers which can boot of of cd are the ones in the tech lab :(01:15
z4chhxnt, that is most schools o_O01:15
derfxnt: When I was in 8th grade, the only computers we had at _all_ were in a lab.01:16
derfAnd they were all Apple (not even Macs).01:16
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z4chhi remember using apples in 2nd grade or so...i was so brainwashed :\01:17
derfIt's all about the Oregon Trail. That's how they get you.01:17
xntseriously I get so pissed when IE crashes on me, making me lose all my work, When I get to Highschool, Im going to try to switch my school over to linux, but it will be hard.01:17
z4chhnot possible01:18
z4chhgot to know what it is first >.<01:18
xntor atleast I will sneak a FON router into the tech lab and hide it in the mess of wires :P01:18
xntMy school has a million legacy (Pentium) Computers, that they have no use for01:21
mgedminmy school has one ibm-comparible pc when I was there (a 486 iirc)01:21
mgedminme's speling is becming atrocious01:22
xntI will Just install LTSP on their server and boot edubuntu on all the computers at school01:22
xntmgedmin: lol, when I was in preschool , we had a dos computer.01:23
RST38hwe did not have computers at school01:23
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RST38hso you should all consider yourselves lucky, young men!01:24
* RST38h cackles evilly01:24
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z4chhRST38h, ahhh because they were not invented yet?01:25
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b-mani'm back - got disconnected XP01:33
fireunxp points for disconnects? cool.01:33
joyriderhow does the postinst file needs to be named in the debian directory ? is it appname.postinst or postinst or postinst.ex ? (dh_make makes the last one)01:34
* Jaffa beds01:34
Jaffajoyrider: "postinst"01:34
joyriderok thanks01:34
JaffaThe ".ex"es mean "example"01:34
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joyrideralso does one have to call that iconcache updater ?01:35
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qwerty12_N800joyrider: appname.postinst is for when you're making multiple binary packages from a single source (but that said, it  doesn't hurt to use appname.postinst for a single binary package being made from a single source ;))01:36
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qwerty12_N800joyrider: if installing new icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor01:36
xntim back01:36
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joyrideri finally figured out why my deb file was always empty cause i wasn't calling install but cp instead01:37
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xntb-man: have you read Little Brother? Its Licensed under the CreativeCommons01:37
joyriderthanks to lcuk :)01:38
jaemxnt: yeah, I read it on my N810, then went and bought the hard-cover01:38
b-manxnt: your not in highschool yet?01:38
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xntI can imagine his Phone being a N810 with a cell radio01:39
xntb-man: no not yet, im in the 8th grade01:39
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jaem"<derf> Except graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US.": I managed to :P... In Canada... in a private school, where they could do things like that01:39
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jaemmy high school used to be all Windows machines01:40
jaemthen they switched the primary classes to Mac, for some reason01:40
xntjaem: Well I read the hard cover in my library, then googled it and found the site01:40
* b-man grew up on mac... then windows came ><01:41
jaemand now we have a couple of nice-ish Macs in the high school lab (it's a K-12 school), as well as a few Ubuntu boxen01:41
b-manjeam: sweet01:41
xntjaem: Lucky,01:41
jaemwell, I graduated before they put in Linux :(01:41
xntjaem: I want to be in your school01:41
* b-man is allowed to install software on the computers at his school XD01:42
jaemand we had to do C# in my IT class01:42
jaemfor some reason01:42
jaemdespite all the previous and following years doing C++, which is actually useful01:42
* xnt is not allowed to execute exes on his school computer01:42
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b-manjeam: we have quad-core desktops and laptops with powerful gpu's + laptops and a smartboard in every room XD01:43
qwerty12_N800xnt: same, although me & friends cracked admin password... But the bastards changed it & it's not worth cracking again as I've only got 2 months left01:43
jaemb-man: I hate you01:44
jaemI hope you're joking01:44
b-manno XD01:44
jaemdarn you!01:44
jaemxnt: our IT guy was fairly lenient01:44
jaemif you /could/ do something you weren't supposed to do, and you didn't cause any trouble with it, it was ignored01:45
jaembut there still was some things that were "over the line"01:45
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b-manwe don't even use chaklboards/whiteboards - it's all touchscreen XD01:46
b-mani'm serious01:46
xntb-man: my school had a huge security hole, where anyone could open up word, go to office online help, that would open up firefox and then type in X:/admin, you can open up a cmd prompt with admin privlidges, Its all patched up now.01:46
jaemtricking him into letting me load a C# program I'd made on his work laptop, which popped the CD tray at random intervals only got me a "I want the source code" from him01:46
jaemand yeah, that's stupid01:46
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jaembut it was amusing to watch01:46
xntb-man: we have smartboards01:47
xntjaem: lol01:47
jaemhe ended up rebooting - not that he couldn't have fixed it, but he didn't suspect anything from me, so I guess it was just easier than stopping in the middle of teaching to figure it out01:47
b-manxnt: nice :D01:47
* b-man loves to mess around with google earth on the smartboards XD01:48
xntb-man: if my school switched to linux, I don't have to worry about compatability, SMARTtech has software for mac windows and linux.01:48
jaemNasa's live video feeds load a *picture* of the WMP plugin (badly compressed) before they load the actual player01:48
jaemit made me doubletake when I saw WMP "running" in Linux/FF01:49
jaemthat's just sad01:49
RST38hLife of a Linux geek is full of frustrations, it seems...01:50
jaemwell, it should work with the MPlayer plugin01:50
* b-man lounges on his poach while waching a sunset and chatting on xchat01:50
jaemI just thought it ridiculous that they would do that01:50
RST38hMeanwhile in Boston:
jaemb-man: where's my sunset?  I want one too01:50
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* jaem steals b-man's sunset01:51
* b-man steals it back XD01:51
jaemwhere's your envy-causing imagery now? huh?01:51
jaemoh wait01:51
jaemback where it started, apparently01:51
* RST38h toggles the light switch on both.01:52
* jaem implodes the sun01:52
b-manit's still uploading01:52
jaemthe sun?01:52
* jaem pulls his ethernet plug01:52
b-manno XD01:52
Macori think i'm going to try to install android on my n80001:52
Macoractually no i won't.. i don't think they have a soft keyboard for it01:52
xntb-man: some teachers are stupid, I loaded up ubuntu in the techlab and my english teacher said no hacking XD01:52
* jaem actually *did* just pull his ethernet cord, but IRC didn't die01:52
b-manlol x10001:53
b-manxnt: hehe, dolts XD01:53
xntMacor: If you Install cupcake they have a soft keyboard01:53
jaemxnt: lol - you should have told him that hacking is a perfectly legitimate activity01:53
jaemit's not like you were /cracking/ anything01:53
* b-man secretary set up a chatting network XD01:54
xntMacor: I Installed Android Cupcake on my N810 and when I close my kb and tap on a text field, a soft keyborad comes up01:54
jaemhow well does NITdroid work these days?01:55
jaemit still runs on top of Maemo, right?01:55
xntIm running nitdroid01:55
Macorxnt: hm... interesting01:55
jaemI reiterate my question: ___ ___ ____ __ ____?01:55
Macori might install it later today.. i like android more than maemo01:55
Macorhow good is the hardware support?01:55
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qwerty12_N800no, you boot into it. you forfeit being able to boot maemo until you reflash maemo kernel01:56
Macoris there sound? :)01:56
xntMacor: no sound :(01:56
jaemqwerty12_N800: does it install to jffs, then?01:56
Macorxnt: well.. that's kind of a deal breaker ;)01:56
jaemor is it an option?01:56
qwerty12_N800jaem: nope, mmc partition 3 only01:56
jaemit /has/ to be p3?01:56
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jaemis there a rational explanation for that?01:56
qwerty12_N800hardcoded in nitdroid kernel01:57
qwerty12_N800as cmdline iirc01:57
jaemnot quite what I'd call rational, from my ignorant point of view01:57
xntMacor, jaem:  once kexec support is stable again, nitdroid will support booting back into maemo01:57
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jaemwell, I should really go do homework01:58
jaemI've spent *way* too much time on IRC the last few days01:58
xntMacor: You have to flash a patched kernel, and  you have to partition your internal sd into fat32,fat32,ext301:59
jaemsomeone do me a favour and kick me if I sign in in the next 2 hours :P01:59
* b-man doesn't have homework... ever XD01:59
* xnt is done with homework :P01:59
jaembye, everyone01:59
Macorxnt: i will use it when it has sound ;)01:59
qwerty12_N800Too late for me - I'm doing my homework *while* chatting :p01:59
xntjaem: bye01:59
b-manit's all done at school ;)01:59
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xntqwerty12: i just did the same.02:00
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xntMacor: I really don't mind, I just use my blackberry for music.02:01
Macori would use my g1 for music.. but no a2dp support ;)02:01
xntMacor: whats the point of installing nitdroid if you already have a g1?02:01
Macorbecause i like android ;)02:02
Macori want to see how well it works on the n80002:02
Macorwonder if cupcake will have bt hid support02:02
xntMacor: actually, I heard that the iphone just got copy/paste, mms, and a2dp. now the g1 needs a2dp, and easy root02:03
xnti hope so02:03
xntmacor: ok02:03
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Macori thought getting root was rather easy02:03
Macori care more about the bluetooth hid support and a2dp support02:04
* qwerty12_N800 types rm -rf / in the notepad02:04
Macorespecially if they get a good copy of andoffice working02:04
qwerty12_N800OH SHIT!02:04
Macoror maybe even quickoffice.. quickoffice was great for my n9502:05
Macorbut i could also use my su8w on my n9502:05
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b-manqwerty12_N800: did you really mess it up?, or are you joking?02:05
Macerwtf is with these random freenode dcc sends from random people on port 0?02:06
Macersome time of winnuking or something? :)02:06
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qwerty12_N800b-man: lol, joking (remembering how stupidly easy it was to run root commands on an G1)...02:07
pinbackanyone here how jaunty working from internal mmc on an n800?02:07
pinbackb-man yay02:07
xntwell I don't keep up with the g1 recently.02:07
Maceri just updated mine.. jfupdater does everything for you now to update02:08
pinbackIm stuck at the WSOD after trying to boot using Fanoush's bootmenu02:08
pinbackjust says "Booting from mmc1 (mmcblk0p1 ext3)..."02:09
pinbackand hangs02:09
pinbackany ideas?02:09
xntpinback: reboot, and when it says press menu to enter the bootmenu, go to the usb networking option, and then try to setup usb networking and telnet into your nit and edit the bootmenu.conf file02:11
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pinbackxnt: I've been ssh'ing in and doing that02:12
xntb-man: do you mind if you help pinback? I have to eat dinner. :P, see you guys later!02:12
pinbackIts booted into regular OS2008 - I'll ssh in now02:12
xntoh ok then ask b-man for help02:13
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pinbackgot a 16Gb ext partition mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p102:13
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pinbackwith bman's rootstrap on it02:13
xnt|eatingdinnerlol, i got a 8 gb sd, ok gotta go :P02:14
pinbackbman u there?02:16
b-mani am now :)02:19
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pinbackjust tried removing jbd and reflashing didnt help but at least it didnt hang02:20
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pinbackbootmenu.conf looks like this:02:20
pinbackMENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3" MENU_2_ID="mmc1" MENU_2_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1" MENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3" MENU_2_FSTYPE="ext3" MENU_2_FSOPTIONS="noatime" [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A"02:20
pinbackhmmm... paste didnt work02:20
pinbackMENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3"02:21
pinbackMENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3"02:21
pinback[ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A"02:21
pinbackIm adding jbd back into the modules now02:21
b-manare you using deblet's bootmenu?02:22
pinbackwas trying to use Fanoush's one02:22
b-manyou can't02:22
pinbackthat will explain it02:22
pinbackI dont know much about bootmenus02:23
pinbackIs there an easy way to replace Fanoush's witth deblets?02:23
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b-manhold on..02:23
* b-man grabs a link02:24
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joyriderare applications build on the diablo sdk backwards compatible with older tablets like N800 & N770 ?02:25
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b-man - should help you with the bootmenu02:25
pinbackthx - reading now02:26
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joyrideranyone care to test my znax game ? everything seems to be working on my N810 except for the unnamed window thing can't get it to display something else so i'll leave it like that atm. here's the deb : and here's a small flash swf of the game from when i was testing it
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qwerty12_N800joyrider: look at the Game Development page on wiki, mikkov wrote code which sets the title of sdl games removing the "<unnamed>"02:29
joyrideryeah i tried that but still can't get it to work i did change one thing though since i gave fullscreen flag to sdl i removed the windowed thingie unless it's really needed02:30
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* b-man gets angry when gftp crashes right before completing the image upload........ arggghhh *throws book accross the room*02:31
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qwerty12_N800wfm, I just usually add it after the sdl set wmcaption02:31
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joyriderah that might be my problem then i setted the caption after it02:32
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joyriderin case anyones testing : + & - keys change volume l changes skin02:33
joyriderand highscores have to be entered with the little DPad for now02:34
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pinbackok - got deblet bootmeny installed and flashed02:40
pinbackdo I need to install deblet as well?02:40
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pinbackok - so I edit /etc/bootmenu.conf now?02:42
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b-manyou have to add an item file to /etc/bootmenu.d02:43
pinbackyup - got the info on ITT02:43
pinbacktrying to work out where to put it in the file02:43
b-manput it in /etc/bootmenu.d and then run refresh_boottmenu.d02:44
pinbackah... create ubuntu.item02:44
b-manre: refresh_bootmenu.d - sorry XP02:44
pinbackITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro" ?02:45
pinbackdo I need ",ro" ?02:45
b-manyes, if it's ext302:45
pinbackit is - refreshing now02:45
pinback"Starting linuxrc ..."02:46
pinbackdoh! rebooted02:47
joyridergoing to bed see ya02:47
b-mansee ya :)02:47
pinbackhmmm... it just rebooted - how can I work out why?02:48
pinbackdont see anything in dmesg02:49
GeneralAntilles1001 Carman Packages02:49
b-manpinback: try running 'apt-get update; apt-get dis-upgrade; apt-get install sys-env-x' and see if that helps02:52
pinbackFor n800 internal SD card partiton one its mmcblk0p1 during boot right? I have another card in the external slot.02:52
pinbackapt-get dis-upgrade wants to remove busybox02:54
GeneralAntillesIt's currently unsupported and can lead to reboot loops with certain combinations of repositories. :)02:54
pinbackOk, I hit CTRL-C02:54
GeneralAntillesIn this case, the SDK repository (which you should never have on your device anyway).02:54
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xntim back :)02:54
b-manGeneralAntillies: he's in ubuntu XP02:54
GeneralAntillesIt's trying to upgrade to gnutils.02:54
pinbacksys-env-x has a lot of unmet dependencies02:55
GeneralAntillesb-man, this is #maemo02:55
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b-manyes, but i'm guiding him through installing ubuntu-n8x002:58
pinbackwoohoo - found my typo in ubuntu.item02:58
pinback...booting now (fingers crossed)02:58
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pinbacktaking a while in /sbin/init...02:59
b-manGeneralAntillies, fine. :P03:00
pinbackhow long does "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." usually take?03:01
b-man1-2 seconds03:01
pinbackeeek its hung then03:01
b-manyup :(03:03
pinbackhung again03:03
pinbackI'll boot into maemo and ssh in03:03
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pinbackI'll untar the rootfs tarball again - I probably messed something up03:05
b-manyou might have to wait untill i get this new image up :( - that one is extremely buggy :(03:05
pinbackhope not :-/ untarring now03:08
b-manxnt, you still here? can you help pinback?, i need to go, i'll be back in about ½ hour03:08
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xntyea im still here03:08
pinbackhi :-)03:08
pinbackI installed bootmenu and it is trying to boot ubuntu03:08
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xntcan you wait while I look through the chat log03:09
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pinbackwaiting on it untarring now03:12
xntuntarring the ubuntu rootfs?03:12
pinbackyup (wow - Thermaltake has a bluetooth mini mouse for $9.99 with free ship USA :-)03:13
pinbackyou think that will work in ubuntu n800?03:13
xntwell im not sure :P I run nitdroid, but I've tried ubuntu-n8x0, before.03:14
pinbacknitdroid == android port?03:14
xntwell if the bt hid drivers work then it might work03:14
pinbackok its untarred03:14
xntyea, nitdroid is an android 1.0 port03:14
pinbackDo I need to reflash before rebooting?03:14
* xnt is going to the b-mans itt ubuntu post03:15
xntok hold on a sec :)03:15
xntis it me or is itt slow?03:15
* pinback is itchign to reboot03:16
pinbackits u - fast for me03:16
xntwhich image did you untar?03:18
pinbackthis one
pinbackwill I give it a whirl?03:20
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b-mani'm back :)03:23
xntb-man: am I missing something? are these the current instructions?03:24
b-manbut i'll be updating them soon03:25
* pinback is going to try a quick reboot03:26
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pinbackstill getting stuck in /sbin/init03:27
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b-manhmm :(03:28
pinbackIm going to wipe the partition and untar again03:28
b-manpinback: i'd just wait for the new image03:28
pinbackok will do - one last try :-)03:29
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xntb-man: what is the easiest way to install ubuntu-n8x0 on a nokia n810 with 8gb sd? oh and with the tar image, does that mean that I don't have to create my own rootstrap?03:31
* pinback is reformatting his ext3 partition03:32
b-manxnt, partition and format it, and yes03:32
xntnitdroid doesn't have good power managment, it drained my whole battery in my pocket :(, ill try nitdroid when it has suppourt for booting into maemo,mer,etc03:33
xntso just partition, extract, and im good to go?03:33
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pinbackbusybox date uses a strange format to set the date/time: date -s MMDDHHMMYYYY03:35
b-manyou'll need to configure it and install a desktop env ;) - but i'm recomending that you wait for the new image, it will be far easier to install :)03:35
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* b-man waches as the image reaches 12% upload completion - 1 hour, 20 minutes remaining...03:37
xntok ill just reflash my nit to maemo diablo, and then ill install your new image03:37
pinbackI see a post from someone on ITT having what might be the same problems as me:
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* b-man is going to have a headache trying to awnser the questions that have accumulated in the ubuntu thread :P03:40
xntb-man: in one of your ubuntu screenshots, what screenlet is this?
xntb-man: ok I think I could help trying to answer some of them :)03:41
b-manthank you!03:42
xntb-man: ubuntu-n8x0 has its own bootloader/recoverymenu03:42
b-manyup :)03:43
b-manartwork created by me :D03:43
xntis it risky to install it?03:43
xntnice artwork :)03:43
b-manthanks and no03:44
* pinback just noticed b-man is uploading03:45
pinbackis that the new rootfs image?03:45
xntb-man: whats the status on the new image?03:45
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pinbacknah - stuck in "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." :-(03:49
pinbackwhats it actually doing there?03:49
pinbackis there a log someplace?03:49
xntpinback:I thinks it hangs trying to start init, and it fails03:49
pinbackcould that be a problem with bootmenu.conf?03:50
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xntmaybe, init is the first process that linux starts pid 103:51
z4chhit is o_o03:51
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* xnt is flashing the diablo kernel back to his n810, and disabling R&D mode03:56
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xntdamn, can't wget the diablo image :(03:57
pinbackok giving up now - thanks for trying to help03:57
pinbackwhats the ETA for the new image?03:58
xntpinback: I say wait for the new image, im waiting for it03:58
b-man16pinback: like i said, wait for the new image ;)03:58
xntwait are there two b-mans now?03:58
pinbackhe forked03:59
xntoh ok03:59
b-man16my damn router crashed and i had to start over XP - 1203:59
xntdamn :(03:59
xntfirefox is slow with 700+ tabs open :P04:00
Pavlovanything woudl be slow with 700+ tabs open04:00
xntI know usually on any machine I have atleast 60 tabs open, I cant imagine my nit with 700 tabs04:01
* b-man16 only has two open04:01
pinbacknite - will try the new image when I see it on ITT - thx again ;-)04:02
xnttwo? what is open in those tabs?04:02
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xntpinback: bye04:02
b-man16yup - FreeNode and #maemo04:02
xntok diablo image done04:03
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b-man1620% btw :)04:05
xntb-man16: what irc client do you use anyways?04:05
xntI sometimes I use pidgin, but I usually use irssi, ill try xchat04:06
z4chhxchat ftw04:07
z4chhirssi is good to :)04:07
b-man16it's a pritty good client :)04:07
z4chhi use pidgin for aim, msn, is great having it all in one, unlike winblows where you get aim client which comes with like 50 other spam apps04:10
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IceFox330% done :)04:14
z4chhIceFox3, what's ya doing?04:14
IceFox3uploading the new Ubuntu-n8x0 image :)04:15
z4chhoh good, i think ill install that this weekend!04:16
* IceFox3 notices there acctually is an msn channel on FreeNode... lol04:16
IceFox3sweet :)04:16
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IceFox3re: 37%04:20
z4chhnight all, thanks for uploading IceFox3 <304:22
IceFox3no problem :) c ya04:23
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IceFox341% at 15.22kb/s, 00:49:26 est. minutes remaining btw04:25
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xntim back04:26
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IceFox344% :)04:27
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xntI think ill use pidgin+xchat on ubuntu, pidgin for gtalk/aim, and xchat for irc04:27
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xntok my nit's kernel is flashed, no im waiting for ubuntu :D04:29
xntso far soo good :)04:30
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IceFox3yup 50%04:31
pinbackb-man how big is the ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz file? I see its @ 38Mb so far04:32
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xntI can't wait !04:33
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Ice_Foxpinback: somewhere between 100-150 mb - i'm guessing04:34
pinback40Mb now - seems to be speeding up04:34
xnt100% (122496 of 122496 kB, avg. 7289 kB/s)04:34
xntFinishing flashing... done04:34
* pinback is formatting his ext3 partition in anticipation04:34
xntFlashed my nit to factory image04:35
pinbackI recon I can start wgetting it soon then wget -c when/if it gets bigger04:35
pinbackok back to American idol for a bit...04:36
xntIt's bugging me with the operator wizard04:36
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sidneiwhere is it!04:36
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xntIce_Fox: How should my sd be partitioned? 2GB,Fat32 and 6GB, ext3?04:38
Ice_Foxre: 58%04:38
xntok so then extract the tarball to ext3 then what?04:39
Ice_Foxrun apt-get install sys-env-x and then install your desktop env04:40
xntso boot it and then run the apt-get cmd04:41
sidneiIce_Fox: where are you uploading to?04:41
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xnthow do I merge partitions in gparted? *confused*04:44
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xntIce_Fox: how much swap do I need?04:46
Ice_Fox258-365mb if your using a heavy desktop env like kde or gnome04:47
* pinback has started downloading04:48
xntso Is 1GB enough for the system to run gnome and ubuntu fast :D04:48
pinback400Kb/sec yay!04:48
xnti mean 53MB04:48
xntpinback: what isp do you have?04:49
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Ice_Foxpinback: that slows down the upload04:49
xntcrap! I screwed up my sd, now I have to create a new partition table, (The Disadvantages of having an 8GB SD)04:50
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Ice_Foxi'll be back04:52
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xntstill 57MB, I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on b-man's computer :(04:57
xntor maybe its done :)04:57
xntformating 5.41GB ext3 partition takes a long time05:00
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xnt2.7MBPS downloading to see if its done yet05:03
xntnot done yet :( got an EOF05:03
xntlets hope it will soon05:03
xntpinback: did you stop the wget?05:04
pinbackback now... sup?05:05
pinback57Mb is that it?05:06
xntyea, did you stop the wget05:06
pinbackits stopped @ 55Mb05:06
xntno, I just dled it05:06
xntand I got an EOF when I tried to extract it05:06
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pinbackI'll restart the wget to getthe rest05:06
xntbut I got 2.7MBPS05:06
xntb-man said that if you dl it while its uploading it slows down the upload05:07
pinbackit seems to have stopped @ 57Mb tho05:07
xntbut I got a fast connection and it downloaded in a few seconds, fios 5up/20down :D05:08
xntright now its at 57mb05:08
pinbackI got about 5secs of dling left05:08
xntwhat isp do you have?05:08
pinbackoptimum basic05:08
pinbackworks fine for most stuff05:09
pinbackI use my neighbors wireless for any big downloads or torrents05:09
xntyea, but optimum screwed me , they gave me phone, tv and internet, when I just ordered internet. :(05:09
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xntnow I have fios, but the router they give you sucks, I switched it for a modded linksys TM when the fios guy left :)05:11
pinbackI have an old WRT54G flashed with DD-WRT that I use as a repeater bridge for far away wifi points05:11
xnttheir router limits you to 3mbps, the router has powerful hardware, but I don't like the cap05:11
xntWRT54TM is a WRT54GL with 32MB flash05:12
pinbackIts still stuck @57Mb05:12
xntI can flash anything to it, but you need jtag to flash it, t-mobile's fw check the md5 of fw files05:12
pinbackwhy are uploads so slow?05:13
xntI don't know, but b-man got interupted by his parents XP05:13
xntok im getting bored05:14
xntkill the wget05:14
xntit makes the upload slower05:14
pinbackIm not running wget right now05:14
xntoh ok05:14
xntwell I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on his computer05:15
pinbackdoesnt he have other computers? I must have at least half a dozen05:16
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xntWell I have an XPS 600 and a dreamhost account05:16
pinbackNice - I cant do web stuff because of job restrictions05:17
xntgo to and yes I know that it looks bad on resolutions lower than 1600x1200, I wrote that site at 2AM05:17
pinbackIm on 1920x1200 :-)05:18
xntand My next update to my site will include fix for screen, NIT Section, And update to contact info05:19
xntim on 1600x120005:19
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xntstill 57MB :(05:23
xntdamn, b-man isn't back05:24
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* pinback only has 15mins before sleep time05:27
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xntIm Supposed to be asleep at 10:0005:27
pinbackI keep telling people that as well05:27
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xntNow I have to shutoff my XPS, and go to sleep at 11:3005:29
jaemhey folks05:29
xntjaem:  hello05:29
pinbackI may put my wget in a loop :-)05:29
jaemI just posted some N810 accessories for trade on itT, if anyone's interested05:30
jaemmostly brand new - I got a new N810, and don't need doubles of everything, and also have no expendable income05:30
jaemthus, trading sounds good05:30
xntjaem: b-man was uploading the ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 tarball, but he got interupted by his parents :(, now its stuck at 57MB05:30
jaemaw man05:31
pinbackThe agents are probably raiding his house right now05:31
jaemas I said, it comes down to "I have it but I don't need it" and "I want it but I can't afford it", hopefully coinciding05:31
jaem...I said that wrong05:31
xntFirefox is slow with 1000 Tabs :(05:31
jaemI hope you are joking05:32
pinbackI think I saw a black cat earlier05:32
pinbackand my Ubuntu ext3 partition on my n800 mysteriously wouldnt boot05:32
jaempinback: don't worry - I set your colour depth to 1b earlier, so it's quite likely harmless05:32
jaemI'm going offline, so if anyone's interested in the accessories, PM me as per the posting05:33
xntI have a DIY OTG Kit (I made it my self :))05:33
pinbacktrue true - dont worry all is good, please continue to borrow and consume05:33
jaemxnt: I thought about doing that05:33
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pinbackI made one as well - was pretty easy05:34
xntjaem: its easy, I just took the usb dual connector for a motherboard and soldered the pins together.05:34
pinbackgot a mini-A to female-A and hacksawed the end - took about 30secs05:34
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xntlol, Mine toook 23 Seconds05:35
pinbackprobably the FioS05:35
xnt??? Im talking about the DIY USB OTG Adapter05:36
pinbackI know - getting sleepy now05:36
* pinback keels over and begins to snore05:36
pinbacknite all - back when I get my rootfs05:37
pinbackthx for the help xnt05:37
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xntwell I have to go to sleep :(, I get up at 5AM, hopefully it would be up :), nite :)05:37
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spectreanyone around?07:22
spectregot a problem with an n81007:22
spectreso my biggest problem is this constant reboot loop07:26
spectreit never boots successfully07:26
spectremaybe 5% of the time07:26
spectrenormally it just goes into a boot loop where it crashes halfway through bootup07:26
spectreand reboots again07:26
spectreover and over07:26
spectrei've tried flashing the firmware (tried multiple versions as well)07:26
johnxwhat applications did you install since the last time it was able to boot successfully?07:26
johnxah, nevermind07:26
spectreyeah, exactly07:26
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spectreand /var/log is empty so i can't trace the error cause in the way i normally would07:27
johnxand the firmware flashed successfully?07:27
johnxif you flashed it and it has problems still it's de facto a hardware problem07:27
johnxis it under warranty?07:27
spectrethat's what i'm thinking07:27
spectrewell, actually i got it from amazon -- wimax edition07:27
spectreguy sold as new but sent it as used07:27
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johnxah, very rare :)07:28
spectreit already had custom repositories and there was handwriting in the manual07:28
spectreso i'm sure it's been bricked07:28
spectrehe's sending me another one he claims is sealed07:28
spectrejust wanted to see if i could fix this one07:28
spectredoes maemo keep logs somewhere?07:29
spectrelike where's the syslog file?07:29
spectrecause i can get it to boot ONCE IN A WHILE07:29
spectreand i'd love to be able to read logs07:29
spectreand find out wtf is going on07:29
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spectrecan i enable logging on this thing somehow?07:35
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luke-jrspectre: yes07:37
spectrehow!? :D07:37
luke-jrdunno, don't use xchat07:37
spectrenot xchat07:37
spectremaemo on my n81007:37
luke-jrlet me know if you find out07:38
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spectredirect ripoff07:43
spectre<3 china07:43
luke-jrspectre: except it's a phone too?07:44
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luke-jrand has more controls from the looks of it07:44
ShadowJKTHat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the original07:44
infobotShadowJK meant: THat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the originals07:44
spectrei bought a phone in china for $200 like 4 years ago that had a touch-screen and handwriting recognition07:45
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spectrewhen shit like that here in the US was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$07:45
spectreand brandy new07:45
spectresome generic brand but it worked great07:45
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luke-jrwonder if I could get more $ for my N810 than I paid for it07:47
spectreis it the wimax?07:47
luke-jrbut I paid under $20007:47
spectreah that's a good deal07:47
spectrei'm pissed -- i hope this guy doesn't send me another refurbd wimax07:47
spectrei really don't want to have to buy the normal one07:47
luke-jrdoes he make you return the first one?07:48
spectreyeah i'm shipping it back tomorrow morning07:48
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Mouseyi have a request for the n90009:23
Mouseythank you, that is all09:23
Stskeepsanything but microsd.. i guess09:23
Mouseyit can be microsd as long as it's microSDXC!!09:23
Mouseytho ya. i'd prefer full size SD09:24
Mouseyand two of them09:24
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MouseyAND a hardware keyboard09:24
Mouseyoh, and no gps, accelerometer and working 3d (drivers!) this time =)09:24
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gomiamMousey: yup, two SD slots 4tw. That's one of the reasons I prefer N800 to N81009:26
Mouseyyes yes, i gladly sacrificed that for a hardware keyboard09:26
* Mousey is having deja vu09:26
Mouseyi'm having this EXACT conversation in another window09:26
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Mouseywhat do you guyz think? looks legit09:31
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neatojonesFor $80 dollars...i'd buy a spare normal battery09:33
neatojonesor 409:33
Stskeepsmorning neatojones09:34
Stskeepsneatojones: you officially use the builder more than me :>09:34
neatojonesIt's driving me crazy.09:34
neatojonesDon't worry, I'm sure you'll get the chance to pass me up soon. :)09:34
Mouseyif i had an external charger, i'd just get a regular spare battery09:35
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Stskeepsmorning meiz09:37
neatojonesStskeeps:  Can you feed some caffeine to whatever is doing the native build of my package?  It's killing me.09:37
Meiz_n810morning Sts09:38
Stskeepsneatojones: e17 doesn't build natively?09:38
Stskeepser, accelerated09:38
neatojonesNo, everytime it runs into problems with cpp somewhere09:39
neatojonesthis is about the 5th or so time, I've tried it.  It does native fine.09:39
Stskeepsneatojones: it looks like it's going to finish soon though09:39
neatojonesbut, takes like 5 hours.09:39
Stskeepsit's a qemu instance09:39
Stskeepsmy beagleboard eats the SD cards.09:40
neatojonesI'm just waitin on it to test e17.  Hopefully, I've finally fixed the major bugs09:40
neatojonesI'm also waiting on it to build a package with all of the major modules that make e17 fun to play with.09:40
Stskeepsi'm going to set a 20 minute timer and then i'll use it to build a internal 0.10 image09:40
Stskeepsshould be done then09:41
Stskeepsany other stuff in queue for native?09:41
* neatojones crosses fingers that he won't have to use it again.09:41
neatojonesI can wait on the extra modules anyway09:41
neatojonesjust want to know all my work isn't in vain on the e17 build09:41
neatojonesthe right files got installed on my virtualbox, but i somehow botched the install.  So, I have to start it over from scratch.09:42
neatojonesSomething between updating the kernel and additionalmodules package screwed up the xserver.09:43
slonopotamusneatojones, do not trust emulators :P they break in most mysterious ways09:43
neatojonesI don't know much about virtualbox09:43
neatojonesI know.  but qemu breaks even easier09:44
neatojones...i guess that's an emulator.09:44
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neatojonesStskeeps:  Does the builder cache and wait to build anyway?09:46
Stskeepsit does queue, yes09:46
Stskeepsso if you add a bunch of packages in right order it queues them09:47
neatojonesI noticed when I try to upload packages while it's building another, it once in a while crashes a build.09:48
Stskeepsyeah, there's a race condition there :/09:49
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infobotIt is now 2009.03.18  7:57:11 GMT09:57
neatojones~date with sexy chick09:57
infobotyou date with sexy chick09:57
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Passeli_where can i find valgrind for diablo?10:25
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inzPasseli_, from the repo10:32
inzPasseli_, the repo being deb diablo/tools free10:32
Stskeepsx86-only though10:32
inzI would do ppc too, but is no help for us10:33
Passeli_yeah but i need to find armel version10:33
inzPasseli, then you'll need to code one10:34
StskeepsPasseli_: doesn't exist, it doesn't build on armel10:34
inzValgrind only supports x86, amd64 and ppc10:34
Stskeepsthat said, armel would be truely awesome :P10:34
Passeli_ok, no wonder that i did not find it10:35
Stskeepsneatojones: pause builds for a sec, i'm cleaning out source trees10:36
Stskeepswhen a build fails it leaves the chroot for diagnosis so10:37
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Stskeepsk, go ahea10:38
neatojonesIt looks like I need to redo that last one anyway.10:38
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neatojonesI'm probably gonna be done for  a while.  I need sleep.10:40
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darkblue_BI have a python app that runs on an N800.. it uses python's sqlite for a datastore11:16
darkblue_BI am getting response times of 2-3 sec on a request11:16
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darkblue_Bpeople talk about running open office other stuff.. but here is a small app.. that is pretty slow11:17
darkblue_Bthe response is served via http11:17
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rmtCan you access the internal memory card in the n810 via USB?11:44
timelesshello cruel world11:45
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rmtThinking about how to repartition to have the entire thing as JFFS2.11:45
timelessrmt: sure, as long as it isn't in use11:45
rmtHello cruel timeless.11:45
timelessboth mmc1 and mmc2 are exposed by default over usb11:45
timelessso, i visited and ...11:45
timelessit seems odd to me that there isn't a prominent item about the election on that page11:46
rmtOkay.. can you enlarge the jffs2 "partition" .. (I really need to learn exactly how jffs2 works) .. and figure out the maemo boot process and what's actually where..11:46
timelesscan someone please explain in plain English why there shouldn't be a prominent link to the election on that page11:46
timelessif you mean the default root partition11:46
rmttimeless: Not I.11:46
timelessit's on an unrelated piece of hardware11:46
rmtReally? Okay, so 256mb is it for the root.11:47
timelessand it uses all the space available11:47
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timelessrmt: yep11:47
timelessbetter written 'rootfs'11:47
rmtI saw some comment where it sounded like they enlarged it.11:47
timelessnot to be confused w/ the user 'root'11:47
rmtokay, rootfs is a filesystem?11:47
timelesswhich gets a tiny reservation11:47
timelessyou can boot from an mmc11:48
timelessand most people who expect to run out of space on their rootfs should do that11:48
Stskeepsrmt: internal SD card cannot have jffs11:48
rmtWas going to mount the mmc as /usr and have /usr/home as a quick fix..11:48
rmtStskeeps, thanks. ext3 it is, then.11:49
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timelessrather, there's no real reason to use jffs on something other than the internal flash11:49
timelessjffs2 is designed to do wear-leveling and certain other things11:49
timelesswhich are not necessary for normal media (the media do it themselves)11:50
* Stskeeps is personally looking forward to ubifs.11:50
timelessbackport, please :)11:50
Stskeepswe might11:50
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Stskeepsthink we're going to start putting out a mer kernel really - there's some really interesting patches now: RDNIS working, rotation, etc11:50
Stskeepsi would love to have my tablet network properly with my xp like my 770 does :P11:51
timelesshow's sound going?11:51
Stskeepsdependent on DSP tasks (afaik)11:51
Stskeepsi honestly haven't investigated it yet11:51
* timeless grumbles11:52
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* timeless really doesn't like the way the vote was organized11:52
timelessincumbants aren't tagged?11:53
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* timeless sighs11:54
timelesssuch a terrible page layout11:54
Stskeepsdear god, there's coming a macgyver movie11:55
timelessdoesn't exist11:55
inzSts, is it going to have RDA?11:55
rmtWell, I think everything's a lot clearer now. :-)11:56
Stskeepsinz: no clue, but that would be neat :P11:56
inzSts, MacGyver is nothing without RDA and the mullet11:57
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* timeless curses11:58
timelessthe lack of anchor higlight doesn't help11:58
sefdsdfsdfnothing a little chewing gum and a paperclip cant fix12:03
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rmtStskeeps, Is there any reason why I would want to keep the vfat filesystem on the internal sd card?12:09
Stskeepsmake a 50mb fat partition, and rest ext312:10
Stskeepsand there's maps on the internal sd card, so back them up12:10
rmtWhy the fat partition?12:11
Stskeepskeeps maemo from bitching12:11
rmtOkay. :)12:11
Stskeepsalso it's handy once in a while12:11
Jaffatimeless: Incumbents are Ryan, Tim and me. Agree with all of your comments above, BTW12:12
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timelessi eventually figured it out12:34
timelessbut totally lame12:34
timelessi suppose i should file bugs12:35
rmtSo, where is the kernel located on the N810?  Some hidden place, only accessible by the flasher?12:35
johnxrmt, on a different partition of the NAND flash12:37
rmtOkey. onyl accessible by the flasher then, I guess. :)12:38
johnxshould be able to dd it from /dev/mtdblockN where N is the right number ;)12:38
johnxyou want to write it or read it?12:38
rmtAtm I'm just curious. :)  It's dd'd directly there, then?12:39
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rmtAnd of course, when booting from the sd card, where the kernel is then.. (of course I'm probably just a screenful away from that on this wiki page)12:40
_berto_rmt: flasher --unpack12:40
* timeless grumbles12:40
timelessis there any reason someone couldn't run a test election for me?12:40
johnxrmt, honestly I don't know if you could successfully dd it, but you could use the onboard flasher or the PC flasher12:41
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Stskeepsmorning johnx12:41
Stskeepsrmt: kernel is in flash, always12:41
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* johnx plans how best to live out of a suitcase for the next two weeks12:42
Stskeepstablet, charger, toothbrush, shirts and underwear, and toothpaste.12:42
johnxand just throw away the rest of my clothes? :P12:43
rmtStskeeps, socks! always have a clean pair of socks!12:43
Stskeepsyes, socks, forgot that part12:43
johnxah, well that changes everything :P12:44
* rmt notices that socks tend to take up a disproportional amount of space in any travel bag.. summer's nice.. no socks necessary! :)12:44
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rmtjohnx, also, don't forget plane/train tickets and passport (even if you're staying within the country, you never know when you'll need to flee)12:45
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sphenxesi have written very simple programs in c++ using g++ and linux. I would like to transfer these programs to a Nokia smartphone. my question: 1. which Nokia series works with linux? 2. how can I transfer my g++ program to the smartphone?12:49
Jaffatimeless: Dunno, dneary's the one to ask. It could confuse if it shows up on the front page12:49
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AStormsphenxes, tried scratchbox already?12:50
AStormyou have to package your app as for debian12:50
AStormthen build the package in scratchbox12:50
sphenxesAstrom, no i have not tried scratchbox12:51
AStormthat's the best way12:51
sphenxesAStorm, thanks12:51
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dnearyHi there12:52
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dnearySomeone called?12:52
dnearytimeless, Jaffa: Yes?12:53
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Jaffadneary: timeless asking about test elections12:55
dnearytimeless: How can I be of service?12:55
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lardmanmorning chaps12:57
threshgrr, still no pidging 2.5.5 :(12:57
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lardmangrr, bloody windows, reboot time12:59
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rmtHmm.. are there any motion unlock type apps for maemo?  Like for android's lock screen?13:07
johnx"motion" unlock? you mean that rely on an accelerometer?13:08
rmtI'd like to have some applications be partially secured, but not bother with real security (of course, it could be used for weak encryption)13:08
rmtI mean like drawing a figure on the screen13:08
johnxah, not that I know of13:08
Jaffarmt: there's an app which locks the screen if the light sensor gets covered... oh13:08
rmtAndroid has a 9x9 setup, you go to each of them in a particular order and it unlocks.13:08
johnxand one that unlocks when the keyboard is pulled out (IIRC)13:08
rmtThis sounds like a fun app, then. :-)13:08
* johnx has an N800 though13:09
rmtTwo images and some screen coordinates.. the app can return true or false on the cmdline. :)13:10
lcukrmt, do not give the users a simulated security experience, if you are gonna do it make sure it can actually lock the screen and not unlock until re-entered.  i dont think linux has a "gine.dll" equiv thou13:12
lcukbad security is worse than no security13:12
Stskeepsrmt: you can probably hack something up with powerlaunch..13:12
Jaffalcuk: it's pretty easy on Maemo to open a window which the user can't get behind13:12
lcukjaffa, i can draw on the screenith it locked in liqbase.  the xsp library does not honour x11..13:13
rmtlcuk, I'm thinking of it as a simple frontend to personal menu .. but it could probably work as a general purpose locking app too.13:13
lcukfreaked me out the first time i tried it :D13:14
rmtBut powerlaunch looks interesting.13:14
Stskeepsrmt: if you can come up with a better event-based language than powerlaunch, you're more than welcome13:14
Stskeepsit's brillaint but the syntax is rotten13:14
lcukyeah rmt, we *do* need something, (i dconsidered it a while ago) but it does need to actually lockup13:14
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rmtStskeeps, :-)13:14
lcukStskeeps, c has just as crappy syntax ;)13:15
* lcuk was gonna do fingerprint detection on the touchscreen13:15
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dnearytimeless: Just reading your bugs13:24
dnearyInteresting to get your take on the election process13:24
dneary(it differs from my Irish experiences, by the way)13:25
dnearylcuk: ): Unexpected token on line 113:25
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lcukdneary, which token/app?13:33
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xntsorry damn, my irc clients screwing up :(13:40
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xntjaem: hi13:42
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xntb-mans tarball is only at 70MB now :(13:42
jaem_N810I couldn't sleep... good thing my N810 is literally always within arm's reach13:42
xntstill got an eof13:43
jaem_N810Stskeeps: ping!13:43
xntI think b-mans router/gftp crasher13:43
xntI mean crashed13:43
Stskeepsjaem_N810: pong13:43
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jaem_N810any chance HAM in Mer is going to let me mark multiple apps for installation at once?13:44
jaem_N810that's my biggest annoyance13:44
Stskeepsno clue, we're going to upgrade it to fremantle basis soon13:44
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xntStskeeps: its going to be in 0.11?13:45
Stskeepsdunno, maybe13:45
Stskeepsdepends if anyone does anything about it :)13:45
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Stskeepsthe red ones need some loving13:46
xntok Im still bored, Im going to install the Fremantle SDK :)13:46
rmtThe maemovmware image contains the SB2 based setup?13:46
* xnt is clicking the link :)13:46
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xntdamn, those are a lot of packages13:47
Stskeepsevery single of those we have adapted13:48
Stskeepsin hand13:48
timelE61idNeary.. :)13:49
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timelE61iSorry, i got distracted13:49
timelE61iHe left13:49
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Meiz_n810jaem_N810: at least adept lets you install more than one apps at once :)13:49
Meiz_n810but adept is slOwWW13:50
jaem_N810bleh @ adept13:50
jaem_N810Shaman's where it's at13:50
jaem_N810yay Arch13:50
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* jaem_N810 stopped being a fan of apt after he tried pacman13:50
Stskeepsxnt: ideally all packages should be blue, green or lime :P13:51
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timelE61icOlor coded?13:52
xntStskeeps: Well how hard is it to adapt those packages?13:52
Stskeepsxnt: fairly easy, but it takes about 20 minutes per package13:52
Stskeepsat least13:52
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StskeepstimelE61i: meaning sharing same version root with female, same package version or ahead of fremantle SDK13:53
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jaem_N810okay - if I can get a decent wifi signal at the other campus, I'll try to do some between classes, Sts13:53
Stskeepsjaem_N810: alright, just prod me anytime13:53
Stskeepsxnt: pretty much explains it13:53
xntStskeeps: well im in the 8th grade, So I have lots of free time after I finish my Homework, I  Can help you adapt packages :)13:54
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Stskeepsit's also completely boring work, a hint of autism helps. :P13:54
Stskeeps(i know from myself.)13:54
jaem_N810I'll probably be installing the SDK in a VM on my friend's server13:54
jaem_N810and uni wifi stinks at the other campus13:55
jaem_N810so we'll see how it goes13:55
Stskeepsjaem_N810: mm, you can basically do this on a ubuntu box really, building problems we'll take care of when it is patched13:55
jaem_N810I don't have an *buntu box atm13:55
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jaem_N810I run Arch on all three, currently13:55
xntjaem_N810: We don't have wifi at my school :(13:56
jaem_N810well, except for the SPARCStation and the old 4MHz Epson laptop :P13:56
AStormxnt, they you should get a data plan... too expensive? ;P13:56
jaem_N810Stskeeps: will the SDK work on CP/M? XD13:57
jaem_N810or Solaris?13:57
Stskeepsjaem_N810: doubt it, anyway, we don't really have a sdk, but we have a root fs you can chroot into really13:58
jaem_N810I may need to get higher capacity tapes for my laptop13:58
xntAStorm: well my parents won't let me get a plan based service, Im stuck to Prepaid, until im 18, then I have to pay of it myself, but Next Year, Ill sneak a fon router into school :)13:58
jaem_N810man... compiling on a 4MHz Z80 will be a drag :P13:59
Stskeepsxnt: trust me, prepaid is a good thing until you gain financial responsibility and sense13:59
* Stskeeps ran up a huge bill.13:59
AStormStskeeps, even better is flatrate13:59
StskeepsAStorm: we got flatrate ISDN as some of the first in the country cos of the too big usage..14:00
* xnt wants a t-mobile prepaid flexpay plan to tether with his n810)14:00
AStormlike prepaid, but less hassle - of course you need stable income14:00
jaem_N810xnt: alternatively, if you wanted to be a complete jerk (and break the law), you could find someone with a "compatible" phone, and run up a huge bill on that14:00
Stskeepsand was first adaptors to adsl as well :P14:00
AStormand/or enough buffer14:00
jaem_N810but that would just be bad14:00
Stskeepsxnt: beware of fon router at school, IT departments are notoriously horrible with claiming students are "hacking" ..14:01
xntjaem_N810: lol14:01
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jaem_N810that's true - I've heard horror stories14:01
jaem_N810my IT dept was one guy, and he knew what "hacking" actually means14:01
AStormpeople are stupid - e.g. don't enable secure bluetooth14:01
xntStskeeps: My tech teacher lets up play games/etc at lunch, so I can put it in his room :)14:01
jaem_N810so he was cool14:01
AStorm(ask before accepting)14:02
Stskeepsxnt: yeah, but FON is technically also a commercial venture (bill type), so you can get in even bigger shitstorm14:02
AStormstill, abusing network connection might be not good anyway14:02
AStormI recommend just asking them to  set up wifi in a bunch of places14:02
xntStskeeps:well Ill mod the fon with openwrt :)14:02
jaem_N810AStorm, well, the trouble is more the ones that are *supposed* to ask, but don't - the "compatible" ones I was referring to14:03
AStormour did it in a few14:03
AStormgets quite good coverage14:03
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jaem_N810xnt: if you're getting a Fon anyway, you could always offer to pay for an AP or two for them14:03
AStormbonus points for that wifi being WPA2-PSK14:03
jaem_N810um what14:04
AStormjaem_N810, you broke the topic14:04
Stskeepsxnt: and then there's the whole issue that the MAC of fonera being trackable back to you :)14:04
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* Stskeeps yawns and looks at some article14:04
jaem_N810AStorm: the input glitched for a second, and I must have mistyped in the intervening time14:05
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xntStskeeps ok, how about a linux livecd that looks like windows, and a usb wifi card in Master mode :)14:05
jaem_N810what is the command for that? looking at my history, I'm not quite sure what I did14:06
Stskeepsjaem_N810: probably clicking the topic field14:06
lcukxnt, do you need a pony as well?14:06
AStormxnt, short range14:06
jaem_N810lcuk: if it helps boost the signal14:06
xntlcuck: lol, no14:06
AStormthe cards get hundred meters at best14:06
AStormeven good access points don't go above that14:06
* jaem_N810 slaps wlan cards in every third box14:06
AStormI suspect if you went and funded them a few access points and outlined the cabling, they'd bite ;P14:07
lcukwell the pony wouldnt be much use, but  you could use the metal can it comes  in as a waveguide i suppose :P14:07
AStormno, you can't14:07
jaem_N810Stskeeps: ah. as I said, the input went crazy for a second - I'll blame it on Maemo14:07
lcukand how do you know, have you got a wifi pony?14:08
AStormyou'd need an actual parabolic antenna14:08
xntAll I want is Internet on my NIT at school.14:08
lcukyeah cos a pringles can is a parabolic14:08
AStormlcuk, isn't and doesn't work well with microwaves14:08
* xnt pokes the pony, then runs14:08
* RST38h yawns14:08
AStormit'd destroy the range14:08
RST38hEHLO, AStorm,lcuk,jaem14:08
AStormRST38h, 200 OK14:08
lcukcool! i didnt know our nokias supported microwave14:09
xntRST38h: hello14:09
jaem_N810hey RST38h14:09
jaem_N810lcuk: yes, but they're a bit underpowered for pizza pockets14:09
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lcuki always thought they missed a trick my not using a desktop cpu in the n810.  you could use the slideout keyboard as a griddle for bacon14:10
AStormlcuk, OTOH, a plate covered with aluminum foil worked very well ;P (smooth foil)14:10
xntlcuk:some cops are stupid, they banned pringles antennas14:10
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lcukthats cos they look like guns14:10
jaem_N810lcuk: my retinas started smoking before I could turn down the backlight14:10
lcukju are the terrorist14:10
RST38hxnt: what for?14:10
RST38hwas there a clear reason stated?14:11
johnxmmm...chipstar > pringles14:11
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lcuk"rocket propelled crunchy snacks14:11
RST38hheya johnx14:11
xntRST38h: well I forgot :P14:11
johnxhey RST38h14:11
AStormdid I mention you could use an actual dinner plate instead? ;P14:11
* xnt is Googling14:11
RST38hAstorm: or a cereal bowl, sans cereal14:11
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lcukwouldnt you spill the milk14:12
lcukwhen you aimed it14:12
AStormbowl is too deep and not close enough to parabolic14:12
RST38hlcuk: You would have to rotate the bowl at exactly the right speed14:12
lcukdepends where the focal point is14:12
AStormit's usually inside the bowl ;P14:12
AStorm(as they're deep)14:12
lcukif cantennas are illegal, only criminals will eat pringles14:13
RST38hunsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them14:13
RST38hxnt: I guess the PD is welcome to bring this to court14:13
RST38hxnt: and see its colective uniformed ass whipped14:13
AStormlcuk, that and party people ;P14:14
VDVsxStskeeps, point me a easy package just to try your intructions :)14:14
xntRST38h: :)14:14
AStormRST38h, it is legal to possess any antenna14:14
lcukperhaps they think pringles cans are a gateway drug to bigger obesity problems14:14
RST38hAStorm: This depends on the country14:14
AStormalthough it's illegal to transmit data over it14:14
jaem_N810AStorm: what about orbital weapons satellites?14:15
AStormbecause it's not FCC-certified14:15
lcukthe school using the word illegal is not the same as having a law14:15
RST38hAStorm: Also, while you can posess it, installing it is usually a matter of regulations14:15
AStormonly that14:15
RST38hAStorm: I suggest you try and install a 100m long wire antenna =)14:15
lcukthis is sounding like pupl fiction14:15
RST38hAStorm: You can choose any country you want for that, US or PL and see what happends14:15
AStormRST38h, sure, why not, I can install a remote microwave gun too14:16
RST38h(none of this applies to pringles antennas of course :))14:16
AStorm100m long is too long ;P14:16
RST38hOk, make it 80m, exactly 1/2 of 160m band14:16
AStormI mean, I'd need permission or would have to own the land it's on14:16
AStormhahaha, I see where you're getting14:17
AStormI can have any antenna14:17
RST38hAStorm: My guess is that even if you install it on your own land in US, you would eventually get problems :)14:17
AStormI can't transmit with it14:17
RST38hAStorm: essentially correct14:17
AStormobviously our control team would go and check up on me14:17
AStormto see if I transmit anything14:17
StskeepsVDVsx: libhildonmime maybe14:17
AStormstill, 2.4 GHz is free spectrum14:18
AStormso as long as I don't exceed allowed power, it should be fine14:18
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johnx(in the US) so long as you comply with the FCC regulations14:18
AStormoh, and don't interfere with other equipment14:18
jaem_N810what about those guys that were throwing bluetooth >1mile14:18
AStormand antennas don't need FCC approval14:18
StskeepsVDVsx: or simpler yet, osso-gnomevfs-extra :P14:19
AStormtransmitters do14:19
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jaem_N810this reminds me of my old laptop14:19
VDVsxStskeeps, you should put in the wiki some common places to grabe the pages :)14:19
AStormbluetooth won't ever reach 1 mile14:19
StskeepsVDVsx: yeah, sec14:19
lcukcourse it will14:19
AStormunless you're living on a flat desert14:19
AStormit's max 100 mW14:20
jaem_N810stupid HP, locking the BIOS to only accept recoded wlan cards sold for 3x the price14:20
AStormand absorbed by most substances, esp. water vapor14:20
AStormit's microwave after all ;P14:20
xntjaem_N810: Same here, but I modded my card show up as the whitelisted card :)14:20
jaem_N810xnt: I would have, but the 3945s have provisions to prevent that :(14:21
jaem_N810I couldn't find a hack for it14:21
StskeepsVDVsx: added14:22
jaem_N810and the standard methods wouldn't work with the driver14:22
AStormsoldering iron and eeprom programmer always works14:22
jaem_N810well, true14:22
jaem_N810but that wasn't worth it to me at the time14:22
AStormheck, you don't even probably need to unsolder that chip14:22
VDVsxStskeeps, and your ITT instructions should be handy in this page too :)14:22
xntjaem_N810: that was when I had a laptop, lol14:22
jaem_N810AStorm: see second-latest post on http://ffejery.creativemisconfiguration.com14:23
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jaem_N810anyhow, I'm going to see if I can get some sleep, now14:24
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AStormnot even *that* expensive14:26
AStormEEPROM programmers are cheap14:26
AStormheck, you can build one yourself14:26
AStormthough I'd need an USB/RS-232 dongle to make that work ;P14:26
jaem_N810_afkyeah, but I didn't have the time to mess around with it14:26
jaem_N810_afkI wish I had, though14:26
jaem_N810_afkoh well - that laptop's long gone anyhow14:26
AStormah, and you'd need an image of the original card EEPROM ;P or at least the PCI ID14:27
jaem_N810_afkI sold it and bought an N810 and a 24" LCD14:27
jaem_N810_afkthen a cheapo desktop14:27
StskeepsVDVsx: updated14:28
xntI gave my old laptop to my cousin14:28
jaem_N810_afkacquired a PIV box, and scored a free laptop14:28
jaem_N810_afkso I'm set14:28
VDVsxStskeeps, :)14:28
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AStormbtw, id I owned most of that hardware he outlines later, I'd build my own devices14:28
AStormbetter and w/o annoyances ;P14:28
xntmaybe ill buy a system7614:28
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jaem_N810_afkAStorm: that who outlines?14:29
* xnt is installing scratchbox14:29
* xnt is late for school14:30
AStormthe guy of the blog14:30
jaem_N810_afkthat would be me14:30
xntok see ya all later!, Ill try to get on irc at school!14:30
AStormah, didn't make the link ;P different nick14:30
jaem_N810_afkI didn't catch what you meant the first time14:31
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jaem_N810_afkyeah - my normal nick was taken, and its origins are kind of stupid (from back in the day), albeit not obviously so14:31
AStormbtw, does anyone have a spare Xilinx or Altera FPGA card lying around? :P14:32
jaem_N810_afkI know someone who does, but I don't think he'd give it up :P14:32
jaem_N810_afkhe got a few things like that free from his old job14:32
AStormI'll probably have to steal^Wborrow one from our labs14:32
AStormthe basic set is $800 or something14:33
AStormor was it $100014:33
jaem_N810_afkthe only thing we're allowed to steal/borrow is resistors and wire14:33
jaem_N810_afkif you're in 4th year, they might loan you some MCUs14:33
AStormhaha, we have better arrangements14:33
jaem_N810_afkthey're pretty stingy14:33
AStormthere's a rule against taking out scopes14:33
RST38h"The weapon's ammunition initially appeared to be human-like teeth; DNA testing of the "bullets" results in no known match in any species known on Earth."14:34
AStormafter a few didn't make it back ;P14:34
jaem_N810_afkwe had to talk them into even letting us use the scopes, in first year14:34
AStormRST38h, huhwha?14:34
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RST38h"The weapon does not seem capable of reproduction at this time (scans showed no apparent reproductive organs) and requires no sustenance beyond water, calcium, and protein."14:34
AStormjaem_N810_afk, hehe, fortunately, our old HP scopes have excellent protection14:34
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jaem_N810_afkRST38h: I don't want to know where you keep getting these from, but what is the nature of the site?14:34
AStormthe worst that happened was a blown secondary fuse once14:35
jaem_N810_afkAStorm: we have slightly old Tektronix digital scopes, mostly14:35
RST38hjaem: It is kind of a wiki where people submit "scientific reports" of various otherwordly objects14:35
jaem_N810_afkoh my14:35
RST38hjaem: Who thing is made to look like an Xiles database14:35
AStormusually circuit breaker works well enough ;P14:35
jaem_N810_afkAStorm: at least, in the main lab14:35
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jaem_N810_afkthey also block ssh in that lab14:35
RST38hjaem: This one was
AStormRST38h, sounds fun ;P14:36
AStormif it's serious, the guys are certainly... crazy14:36
RST38hAStorm: prolly no more serious than uncyclopedia but crazy to the bone =)14:36
AStormok, this is going to be good ;P14:37
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jaem_N810_afkapparently because people were tunneling through the schools' file server (which has a darn fast connection) from that lab, so IT told them to block it :(14:37
jaem_N810_afkand pointless, as it still works over the wifi14:37
jaem_N810_afkand every other lab14:37
jaem_N810_afkI'm not sure how they're doing it yet, but it's not something simple, like killing port 2214:38
jaem_N810_afkmore's the pity14:38
AStormI probably had my shell account locked down... or had password changed and forgot it (unlikely - my passwords are schematic)14:38
jaem_N810_afkmy uni uses Solaris on the file server14:39
AStormjaem_N810_afk, it' probably that + host check14:39
jaem_N810_afkwith Csh - blech14:39
jaem_N810_afkmy .cshrc contains one line14:39
AStormok, I've to go to the another lab, this one with pointless cards made by the people who made Matlab14:39
AStormwhat was it called ;P14:39
jaem_N810_afkhave fun :P14:40
AStormright, SimuLink14:40
jaem_N810_afkI found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2 in the old databook collection14:40
jaem_N810_afk4x 5-1/4" floppies14:41
jaem_N810_afkthey said I could have them if I wanted14:41
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AStormjust some small cpu hooked up to ADCs, DACs, bunch of other IO pins, 4 timers and ;P RS-23214:41
jaem_N810_afkI may go and pick them up later today, and take a look at it, for laughs14:41
jaem_N810_afkI'll have to see if my 5-1/4" drive-in-a-box-somewheres still works14:42
jaem_N810_afkand remember, folks - don't put your floppies in upside down - the bits will fall out and jam the drive14:43
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jaem_N810_afkgreat.... it's 6am, and I barely slept :(14:50
jaem_N810_afkI'll be back in an hour or so14:50
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Stskeeps'lo wazd15:26
wazdStskeeps: hey(15:26
Stskeepsany progress on icons? :)15:27
* mgedmin stumbles upon
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mgedminGeneralAntilles: about IRC logs, I'm certainly available for consultations, but I wouldn't say it's up to me to move them to maemo.org15:31
mgedminfirst, I don't have root there (heh)15:31
* Stskeeps ponders idly why has dished up with "R2-D2 We Wish You a Merry Christmas"15:31
mgedminsecond, if the logs are there it makes sense for the bot to live there too15:31
aquatixStskeeps: :)15:34
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ilovemistakeshi all. is there a separate channel for maemo developers? i have a question about sdk and gconf =)15:36
wazdStskeeps: I'm very sorry, I had totally no time until now(15:36
Stskeepsbest place is here i guess, or maemo-developers15:36
Stskeepswazd: hehe, it's fine, there were code problems in 0.10 too so we skipped it15:36
wazdStskeeps: I was really overloaded with work(15:37
Stskeepsit didn't want to boot whatsoever the whole monday :)15:37
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wazdBut I had much time to think)15:38
ilovemistakeswell.. i use maemo-sdk+, xephyr starts, hildon starts, i am able to run my app inside emulator. but it cannot connect to gconf. it seems like gconf is not running. /var/log/ on target root is empty. where to dig?15:39
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Stskeepswazd: 132$, jesus15:39
Stskeepswazd: but yes, that should run Mer :P15:40
wazdWho needs Ubuntu when you have Mer :D15:40
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wazdI saw 3.0 iPhone release and realized that manufacturers became too lazy15:41
wazdPalm Pre too15:42
* aquatix wondered why it took 3 versions to get search into the iphone15:42
wazdSome basic stuff is presented to people as something extraordinary15:42
Stskeepswazd: anyway, - want to take mentorship of this component and mark out directions and what needs to be done for Mer in the user interface (visual, not code) department?15:43
Stskeepsso people come to you and use you as a mentor for what needs to be done15:43
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wazdStskeeps: sure)15:43
Stskeepsbecause i'm horridly unimaginative in that area15:43
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Stskeepswazd: k, page changed15:44
Stskeepsit's your responsibility to keep that part of the sprint pages updated with status and such and who does what, and to manage people wanting to help out in that area :P15:46
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wazdStskeeps: ok)15:48
Stskeepswazd: otherwise, the layout actually functions quite nicely on tablet15:48
jaem_N810_afkhey wazd15:49
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jaem_N810wazd: I haven't seen any other MIDs running LXDE...15:51
jaem_N810that's interesting15:51
Stskeepsexcept for n8x0 ;)15:51
jaem_N810I meant stock15:51
jaem_N810I personally like that Intel concept MID with the really wiiiiiiiiiide form factor15:52
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jaem_N810as much as I'm not a fan of soft-keyboards, the slide-out action on that was pretty shiny15:53
* aquatix rather likes the Vaio P15:53
aquatixdamn expensive though15:53
jaem_N810yeah, and it's Sony15:53
* mgedmin wants to see the slide out action15:53
jaem_N810which is something I've been wondering...15:53
mgedminany urls to movies?15:53
Stskeepswazd: i'm also starting to be a big fan of the magic X15:54
jaem_N810given how evil Sony is, why do they like Linux so much?15:54
Stskeepswazd: i can switch to home very quickly and close / switch15:54
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jaem_N810mgedmin: see the Engadget post15:54
jaem_N810I don't have a link handy15:54
jaem_N810it's on itT somewheres15:54
Stskeepswazd: and it lays comfortably in the top right corner, so my fingertip fits :P15:54
* mgedmin tries to google Engadget15:54
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rm_youjott? jott :(15:56
Stskeeps(there's a hidden menu button there too.)15:58
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* lcuk ponders why menus and task switchers arent at the bottom16:07
lcukits so hard to reach with 81016:07
* lcuk has to stretch a finger ALL the way up the screen :P16:08
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mmatthhow do you register an app to handle a certain mime type?   i'm particularly interested in registering an app so that  it'll handle files of a certain mime type opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ?16:13
mmatthif this is not the right channel for this question, can someone please let me know which channel to ask on?16:13
Jaffammatth: it's the right channel. Have a look at the specs for it - I believe that's the manner in which it's done16:13
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mmatthok, thanks.  i'll look around there.16:17
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wazdlcuk: cause there are app controls on the bottom)16:25
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lcukwazd, you are right of course :)16:27
lcukhi btw16:27
wazdlcuk: hey)16:28
rmt .. super simple false security .. not at all sleek like google's unlock screen.16:35
lcukrmt :D excellent16:38
lardmanderf: ping16:38
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lcukrmt, show your app and press+hold the menu button16:40
lcukyou need to hook properly into the lock screen stuff (not sure how ..)16:40
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rmtgotta run now.. catch you all later.16:44
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Sho_Guys, I'm wondering, is there a trick to incorporate the old Opera engine from ITOS2007 into ITOS2008?16:49
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JaffaSho_: Not that I know of16:49
Jaffarmt: mmm, vala16:49
Sho_Hm, shame. Gecko and WebKit are obviously much more modern, but the Opera engine was just so much faster, particularly with regard to responsiveness during load.16:50
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* rm_you <3 Opera17:00
* Myrtti loves her n80017:00
rm_youI wanted to do that too... supposedly there was a way to hack the old opera files in, but not sure if it still works17:01
rm_yousomeone had a project17:01
rm_youon the forum17:01
rm_youMyrtti: :)17:01
rm_youMyrtti: what's your favorite Yarn? :P17:01
rm_youjust curious17:01
* rm_you has fallen in love with Malabrigo Worsted17:02
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Myrttirm_you: I usually use Finnish handdyed ones17:04
rm_youpure wool?17:04
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wazdStskeeps: first shot)17:04
Myrttirm_you: 90 wool, 10 silk, 140tex17:05
rm_youwhich kind of sheep? :P17:05
rm_youdo you have photos on your ravelry page?17:05
X-Fadewazd: Slick!17:06
MyrttiFinnish ingenious organic lambs :-)17:06
Jaffawazd: nice17:06
Myrttirm_you: yeah, the green Linden is of that17:06
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Myrttiand yes, very, very soft17:06
lcukMyrtti, how long are you in the uk for this time?17:06
Myrttialso 7€/50g17:07
Myrttilcuk: you tell me, haven't bought a ticket back yet17:07
rm_youyou don't use stash? >_>17:07
lcuk:) and i hope you never have to17:07
Myrttirm_you: if I started to photograph my about 200l stash of yarn, I'd be taking pictures next year17:07
rm_youwell, you could start on some of it :P17:07
rm_youis there somewhere online I can buy said yarn?17:08
MyrttiI guess I could take photos of my current unspun project17:08
lcukisnt that a sheep17:08
Myrtti For orders in English please send me an email: kerttu  MEAOW  utuna.fi17:09
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thopiekarwho of you is familar with extras assistant?17:11
X-Fadethopiekar: I ;)17:11
lardmanwhere's derf when you want him I wonder...?17:11
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thopiekarbtw where is jere..?17:12
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X-Fadethopiekar: Hasn't replied to me today, so probably not here..17:12
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lcukthopiekar, saw him on  the mailing list a bit ago17:14
lcuki think hes hiding from irc ;)17:14
thopiekarX-Fade: please explain me why the i386 build fails at the second link.. .. I just have changed the architecture from all to any..17:14
thopiekarlcuk: think so, too :P17:14
thopiekarguten tag, Khertan :P17:15
rm_youMyrtti: is that lace yarn?17:16
Myrttirm_you: yes.17:16
lardmanhi Khertan17:16
X-Fadethopiekar: dpkg-genchanges fails.17:16
Myrttithey do have others with similar concistency17:16
* rm_you just had to figure out what TEX meant17:16
Khertan <<< yes it s maemo 4 ;)17:16
infobotMyrtti meant: she do have others with similar concistency17:16
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Myrttithat almost made sense17:16
thopiekarX-Fade: do you know why?17:16
X-Fadethopiekar: You can try to run it in your own scratchbox to see what happens?17:16
X-FadeProbably because it can't find any info for i386?17:17
X-FadeAs it says "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory"17:17
X-FadeSo now to find out why it doesn't generate a files list.17:18
thopiekarthe same.. but why didn't failed the first build?17:18
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rm_youMyrtti: do they make anything like.... Worsted? :P17:18
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thopiekarX-Fade: the same happens when building it on i386-Diablo but there are no differences in the two archs i think.. i386 hasn't failed before and now it's possible to build armel but not i386.. this isn't very logical for me..17:21
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Khertanshlack !17:21
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thopiekarX-Fade: have you read my message?17:23
* thopiekar hates it when is spamming..17:24
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thopiekarX-Fade: I need this package for mesa>glut>freeglut>ghostscript>graphviz.. I know there is already a graphviz package on extras-devel but the install conflicts with libtool..17:27
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GeneralAntillesmgedmin, well, what I mean is the final decision is yours. ;)17:33
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GeneralAntillesmgedmin, you've been providing this service for an awful long time and if you don't want to move to, I'm certainly not gonna pre-empt you. ;)17:33
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JaffaX-Fade: ping17:34
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mgedminGeneralAntilles: that's exactly my point -- it's not my decision17:34
mgedminthere's no monopoly on IRC logs17:34
mgedminanybody can collect them and publish them17:34
mgedminI'd like the logs to live on maemo.org17:35
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mgedminbut I don't have to be the one moving them17:35
mgedminin fact I can't be the one moving them, since I have no admin access to maemo.org17:35
X-Fademgedmin: We can set something up.17:36
GeneralAntillesRight, but my point wasn't a technical one. ;)17:36
lcuk2then we should give you some access :)17:36
* mgedmin never says no to root access :-)17:36
JaffaX-Fade: aha - you're there, see reply to "maintenance break" email about possible favourites breakage17:36
lcuk2mgedmin, you have no monopoly but you have history and are an implicit part of maemo17:36
thopiekarX-Fade: ^17:36
mgedminGeneralAntilles: and my point is that you don't need *my* permission if you want to set up logs elsewhere17:36
mgedminI won't mind, really!17:37
* lcuk2 said as much at the summit :)17:37
X-Fademgedmin: I talking more about synching really ;)17:37
Jaffamgedmin: It'd require your co-operation to move the bot, copy the historic logs, put in a redirect etc though17:37
JaffaAnd asking's just plain good ol' etiket.17:37
X-Fadethopiekar: I have no idea, we'd need to discuss it with Jeremiah.17:37
thopiekarX-Fade: have you read my messages above?17:37
X-FadeJaffa: Yes, I noticed that. Looking into it.17:38
* GeneralAntilles has a Mini 9 to pick up from the office. FedEx didn't even attempt to delivery it. . . .17:38
thopiekarX-Fade: k17:38
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lardmanI didn't realise you were still waiting!17:40
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GeneralAntillesI feel like I'm getting entrenched on that title thread for no reason.17:45
X-FadeJaffa: Probably found the problem, patching now.17:45
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GeneralAntillesSo I guess Intel's also using an "n-series" badge.17:47
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fasoHi guys...I was trying to install debootstrap but it would just not install on n810 says broken packages...My question is can I use my x86 box to debootstrap to the sd-card ..inorder to get jaunty on n81017:49
Stskeepsdid you try out mer? it will grab all the stuff you need to do it17:50
fasostskeeps: u mean add mer to the repository?17:51
Stskeepsfaso: no, just grab the .install for mer and it will grab the stuff :P17:51
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fasocan u point me to that .install ?17:51
fasook Thanks...I will try this17:52
thopiekarX-Fade: I tried again to build that package in verbose mode and it has worked on my sb1.x86.diablo, but not on mea..17:53
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Stskeepsqwerty12: too many channels? ;)17:54
qwerty12Stskeeps, yep, I started out on IRC as a one channel person ;)17:55
Stskeepsqwerty12: fair enough17:55
qwerty12(still am if I'm being true to myself)17:55
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JaffaX-Fade: now getting Error: d is undefined17:57
JaffaSource File:
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X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, the problem is somewhere else. I'm sitting next to bergie and we're trying to fix it ;)17:59
JaffaX-Fade: cool :)17:59
KhertanDo you think that an gmail checker applet with a preview of unread mail in navigator instead of contact will interest someone ?17:59
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X-FadeJaffa: One of the advantages of being in .fi atm ;)17:59
Khertan(i ask to know if i lost some of my time coding a pref interface to put password and login)17:59
JaffaKhertan: i.e. instead of the "Contact" plugin being second in Task Navigator?18:00
Khertanor elsewhere ...18:00
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Khertanit use gmail unread http atom feed to avoid blocking isp proxy ....18:00
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GeneralAntillesHow do I change the font rendering settings in Ubuntu?18:01
JaffaKhertan: sounds good18:01
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts IIRC18:01
GeneralAntillesAh, got it, thanks Jaffa.18:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: got your mini?18:02
Khertanjaffa >
z4chh3 hours until GSOC org list is out!18:02
qwerty12Khertan, oh, that's hot.18:02
Khertanit could also change the position of some layout18:02
z4chhgo maemo go! w00t w00t18:02
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, yeah, poking at it as we speak.18:02
* z4chh does the happy dance18:02
Khertanit s a feature not a bug18:02
StskeepsKhertan: hmm, what have you played around with?18:02
JaffaYeah, right ;-)18:02
fasostskeeps, it says "Unable to install merinstaller. Some application packages required for the installation are missing."18:03
fasoStskeeps, I dont have dependencies for merinstaller18:03
KhertanStskeeps: flood the maemo-launcher with a stupid overloading a changing icon every millisecond navigator applet18:03
StskeepsKhertan: O_o18:04
GeneralAntillesAny chance of two-finger scrolling?18:04
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Khertanstskeep ... it s a feature not a bug ...18:05
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Khertani ve forgotten that gobject.timeout_add() is in millisecond ... and not minute18:05
fasostskeeps: the application missing is libssl0.9.8(>=0.9.8e-1) ..Where can I find this package? Any clue ?18:06
z4chhKhertan, that is a huge time difference ;p18:06
Khertanz4chh: specially when you change an icon in maemo-launcher and do a queue_draw18:06
Stskeepsfaso: at this point i'd just reflash and try again..18:07
RazumihinCan i somehow disable the javascript security warning on file:// documents?18:07
RazumihinIt's pretty annoying while using js software that write on the device locally.18:08
Stskeepsmaybe there was a trick in the thread on tiddlywiki(?)18:09
Stskeepson itt18:09
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RazumihinYeah tiddlywiki :)18:09
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Stskeepswazd: ooh.18:11
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Stskeepsexcuse me for a second while i'm licking my screen.18:12
* qwerty12 passes Stskeeps the tissues18:12
z4chhStskeeps, are you hungry or something?18:12
Stskeepsz4chh: look at the jpg.18:13
Myrttithat's ...18:13
RazumihinStskeeps:  If you happen to remember some url/something drop a query, now i have to leave from  the cafe ;)18:13
Stskeepswazd: and this would work properly in 16-bit?18:13
Stskeeps(i can't see bpp info so)18:14
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Stskeepswazd: would you be able to put elements into a svg theme template maybe? think i can add the various icons into some pixel positions18:23
wazdStskeeps: well, it looks pretty same on the tablet18:24
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Stskeepswazd: am i odd for not understanding fully the theme templates? :)18:25
aquatixwazd: that looks lickable18:25
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Stskeepswazd: anyway, how do we proceed? maybe we can continue on , seperate into different things like "background when button active" "background when button not active" and such18:29
Stskeepsand associate the artwork with svg files so we can start making theme based on it18:29
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Stskeepsthen in the end we can feed it into a theme template and then we have our new ui :)18:30
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wazdIn fact, UI and theme should be developed simulatenously)18:31
Stskeepsyeah, i have most of the code already to get it ticking18:31
wazdcause it will give the freedom for both developer and designer :)18:32
wazdI've found my early Maemo 5 mockups on PC :)18:32
wazd <- copypaste :)18:33
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Shadow__Xand i found that anything other than desktop shouldnt have write permission18:33
Stskeepswazd: anyway, if you can give me some pngs of the 3 (4, with the x's in the menu) icons in the mockup, i can start seeing what things we need done to make the theme work and support for18:34
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wazdStskeeps: I'm on it :)18:35
wazd <- finger friendly hildon menu)18:35
Stskeepsand maybe the marquee gradient too18:35
Stskeepswazd: hehe, interesting18:36
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Stskeepsthe fact you use darkened background is interesting as maemo5 actually ended up doing that :P18:36
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wazdStskeeps: and that's lame18:36
slonopotamusanyone tried is it usable on tablet?18:36
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wazdStskeeps: cause Maemo guys ended up with what I've started :(18:37
GAN800GNOME XChat seems ridiculously broken18:37
Shadow__Xwazd, get the usb lazer keyboard18:38
wazdShadow__X: for what?)18:38
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Shadow__Xfor maemo18:39
GAN800That thing is the worst18:39
mib_duhzoteven after adding extras and extras-devel, why cannot i see packages as part of those repositories. say rootsh or wget?18:39
wazdHere in russia we have "Lutch" (Beam) brand for that stuff :)18:40
Shadow__XGAN800, that thing doesnt work well18:41
Shadow__Xi wanted to try one18:41
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Shadow__Xsee how it worked how i could break its ability18:41
wazdStskeeps: Mer icon: (it's there :D )18:41
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wazdApplication menu icon:
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wazdMagic close:
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threshwazd: а ты пиджин используешь?18:47
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wazdBetter PM in russian :)18:48
wazdTo be fair)18:48
wazdthresh: yep, I use Pidgin and yes, ICQ doesn't work now for me(18:48
wazdStskeeps: Close:
wazdIt asks for newer version18:49
threshi know. i wonder why there is no updates.18:50
thopiekarwould it break diablo when I rebuild upstart from fremantle?18:50
infobotthresh meant: i know. i wonder why there are no updates.18:50
GeneralAntillesWell, Fennec b1 is faster, but still too damn slow.18:51
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wazd Second video clearly shows, where Fennec took it's design xD18:52
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thopiekarwhy is fremantle'S pulseaudio using upstart?18:53
Stskeepsbecause? :P18:53
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timelE61ifremantle uses upstart18:53
Stskeepswazd: ,
wazdStskeeps: that was fast xD18:55
wazdStskeeps: why icons are smaller?18:56
Stskeepswazd: just put the icons in, the hard work i'll do together with zenvoid18:56
wazdStskeeps: right now they are definitely not 48x48 :)18:56
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Stskeepswazd: hmm.18:57
Stskeepsthe marquee is 52pixel high18:57
wazdStskeeps: they are like 32x3218:57
wazd |
wazdSee the difference)18:58
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Stskeepsyeah, you're right18:58
Stskeepsmust have a bug somewheere18:59
Stskeepsthe status bar icons are 48 px though, right?18:59
Stskeepsas in mine on
Stskeepsthe pc icon19:01
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RST38hheya wazd19:04
wazd <- 40x40 statusbar icon19:05
wazdRST38h: moo :)19:05
wazdRST38h: sorry, hadn't time to continue work on skins, will begin tomorrow)19:06
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Shadow__Xn810 worthy?19:11
Shadow__Xits class 619:11
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Jaffawazd: should the app's menu have a cutout (perhaps on both sides) to be closer to the maemo and hardware versions?19:13
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wazdJaffa: it has, it's just thin19:15
timelE61ists? What app is in the screen shot?19:15
JaffaReally? All the bars of the gradient look the same width to my old eyes (on your first mockup of the new skin, anyway)19:15
wazdJaffa: If I correctly cot what you're talking bout :P19:15
timelE61i"via" should be lowercase19:16
StskeepstimelE61i: maemopad19:16
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Stskeepsno idea which l10n it uses though19:16
Jaffawazd: I think you call it "application menu icon" (which I avoided for being too similar to "applications menu icon" - which in mer is the mer logo19:16
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wazdJaffa: oh, no I'm not :)19:16
* timelE61i grumbles19:17
wazdJaffa: well, it can be whatever you want :)19:18
wazdJaffa: I just wanted it not to be a total copy of maemo one :)19:18
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Jaffawazd: you're the designer, zenvoid & Stskeeps are doing the theme - far above my layer that ;-)19:19
Stskeepsactually i'm doing code, :P19:19
timelE61ists: bug 4066 closed fixed19:19
wazdJaffa: Well, who cares bout the design that nobody likes?))19:19
timelE61iCan you please figure out why it's broken in your picture?19:19
wazdJaffa: so feedback of ordinary user is very important19:19
Jaffawazd: true, I like to think so :)19:20
wazdJaffa: It's very difficult for me to see my work from the side19:20
wazdJaffa: I usually just stare and wait for something)19:20
StskeepstimelE61i: simple, it's an old version19:20
timelE61iuPgrade :)19:21
wazdJaffa: Or I make a statement "Ok, my work is crap" and try to figre out why it's crap :)19:22
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GeneralAntillesSo, who's ready to help shoot down another Java client for #maemo suggestion? ;)19:40
qwerty12Show 'em fuzzybunny's logs. Should be enough.19:41
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GeneralAntillesAh, good point.19:42
glassanyone with brain can use anyhow?19:43
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GeneralAntillesCan't get this Mini 9 to unsuspend. . . .19:45
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i thought the unwashed masses was the people in here, fwiw .. ;P19:47
RST38hGeneral: "Yes" for JavaScript, absolute "No" for Java19:50
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: black screen of death? ;)19:51
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timelE61imini 9?19:51
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, Dell, just got it today. Hopefully tiding me over until the next tablet is released. :(19:52
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: perhaps if it was limited to *just* those who have logged in, a web IRC interface wouldn't be *too* bad19:53
GeneralAntillesYeah, better than anonymous anybody19:54
GeneralAntillesHave to figure out a clean way to deal with nick collisions, though.19:54
Stskeepsif you limit it to users that can be recognized and publically humiliated..19:54
GeneralAntillesUgh, my shoulder doesn't want to play nice today.19:55
Stskeepsfwiw, it could even be set in their real name19:55
timelE61iwhat's wrong w/ mibbit?19:56
timelE61iDo we really need a minimal contained java client?19:56
GeneralAntillesDoes anybody have any requests for the new index page?19:56
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Just auto append suffices19:58
JaffaX-Fade/bergie: how's the favourites JavaScript issue?19:58
timelE61ijAffa: which is that?20:00
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timelE61iGan: could you offer sources.list and .install files :)20:01
timelE61iAlso, i think i'd rather things be grouped by release not class20:02
timelE61iHaving to jump to three sections to get diablo+sdk+extras20:02
* thopiekar wonders why there are more and more repos on gronmayer, because he remembers that there was a plan of to get all apps into's repos..20:02
timelE61iNo sane person wants extras / sdks for multiple releases at the beginning20:03
timelE61iThopiekar: wishes ... Reality20:03
StskeepsVDVsx: prod20:03
thopiekartimelE61i: :|20:04
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GeneralAntillesthopiekar, well, most of the core stuff has moved.20:05
StskeepsVDVsx: they claim emails about GSoC is going out atm :P20:05
GeneralAntillesEven Fennec's in Extras now.20:05
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VDVsxwe got accepted :)20:05
Stskeepsany specifics on allocations or whatever?20:06
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thopiekarGeneralAntilles: I think I should surrender these repos by removing them from my sources..20:07
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, .installs were at the top of my list.20:07
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Khertan_mibbitHello again20:08
Khertan_mibbitdoes it s just my feeling or task navigator applet aren t threaded ?20:08
VDVsxStskeeps, only 150 out of 400 get accepted20:08
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, nice!20:09
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Khertan_mibbitso they freeze maemo-launcher while doing stuff20:09
timelE61ikhertan: tasknavigator is a single process gtk app20:10
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timelE61iGtk apps are typically single thread locked/owns ui20:10
Khertan_mibbithum strange idea20:10
timelE61iSo.... Unless someone doesn't follow guidelines, they cooperate and share one thread20:10
Khertan_mibbitso you can t  switch application20:11
timelE61iPlease file bugs when they don't share nicely w/ the other little children20:11
Khertan_mibbitor open a new one20:11
timelE61iAlso, iirc tasknav tends to toss up system modal ui elements20:11
* Khertan_mibbit will notify Khertan that his task applet isn t smart20:12
timelE61iThese are mostly design "features"20:12
timelE61iSo, don't bother filing bugs20:12
thopiekaris it possible to make deb packages on the device?20:12
thopiekardpkg-dev is not installable..20:12
Stskeepsdpkg-deb, but you don't want to go down that dark alley20:12
timelE61iThe alternative is the gomeapplet system where vm reqs for just them are unbearable20:12
timelE61iThopiekar: it's possible20:13
Khertan_mibbityep but i found that it s strange design 'feature'20:13
timelE61iOr you could use ar+tar ;)20:13
Khertan_mibbitsay if i m wrong20:13
Khertan_mibbiti m doing a gmail unread mail checker20:13
StskeepstimelE61i: even darker allery20:13
thopiekarStskeeps: I need it for one deb..20:13
Khertan_mibbitwhich launch a thread20:13
thopiekarlibcrack :P20:13
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Khertan_mibbitto retrieve an atom feed20:13
Khertan_mibbitand once done this process update the icon20:14
timelE61ikhertan: glib has some event system idle-loop-add or something20:14
thopiekarapt-get can't find dpkg-deb20:14
Khertan_mibbitthopiekar: look at py2deb or pypackager on wiki.maemo.org20:14
timelE61iYou're supposed to proccess in pieces20:14
timelE61iPersonally, i'd request you not do net io from the main thread20:14
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thopiekarKhertan_mibbit: are these packagers acting like dpkg-buildpackage?20:15
Khertan_mibbittimelE61i: this is why i launch a thread20:15
timelE61iHeck, if the processing of the data could be expensive, don't do that from main either :)20:15
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Khertan_mibbitthopiekar not really as dpkg-buildpackage can t run on nit20:15
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Khertan_mibbitand processing is done in the thread too20:15
Khertan_mibbitthis why i don t understand why i got hang20:16
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thopiekarthe problem on sb1 is that the app xmlto can't get up a internet-connection..20:16
timelE61ianyway, the alternative of processes is very ram expensive20:16
thopiekarthats why a builds fails on sb120:16
Stskeepsthopiekar: verify your /etc/resolv.conf and such in sb120:16
timelE61iAnd would have meant you couldn't run apps  on a 77020:16
Khertan_mibbitthopiekar: py2deb build a deb source package ready to be submitted to autobuilder20:17
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Khertan_mibbittimelE61i: maybe but hildonlauncher binding isn t available anyway on 77020:18
Khertan_mibbitnor hildondesktop20:18
Khertan_mibbitfor python20:18
Khertan_mibbitat least if they don t run under a HE200820:18
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thopiekarStskeeps: is it needed to restart sb1?20:19
thopiekarby a command or just restarting the shell20:19
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Khertan_mibbitother question how to listen that the nit just got a connection, using dbus ?20:20
Khertan_mibbitdoes it s possible in python ?20:21
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timelE61ikhertan: microb's open source code has code for that20:22
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qwerty12Khertan_mibbit, find the connected string on CONNECTED
Khertan_mibbitquestion 3 : Does someone here have tryed mCalendar 0.5.0 ? if yes, what do you think about it ?20:23
Khertan_mibbitany dbus tutorial with python url somewhere ?20:24
Khertan_mibbitor sample code ?20:24
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timelE61iIs the microb code20:26
timelE61iIt isn't too bad20:26
thopiekarromullo: hi20:26
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romullothere is a place where i can see the maemo GSoC ideas or something like that?20:26
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romullolcuk thank you :)20:27
* lcuk was just wondering if it had been updated20:27
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mib_21zrh5sorry peer kill me20:27
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Khertan'hiya lcuk !20:28
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Stskeepsit's kinda funny to watch #gsoc atm20:29
lcukhi there khertan, you are spending too much time in mibbit, get a client :P20:29
lcukshame you cant have mIRC ;)20:29
thopiekarStskeeps: it looks like it working now.. thank you.. Is MEA configured like that, too?20:30
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, chaos?20:30
wazdJaffa is pretty excited with his buttons :D20:30
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: imagine people who got told their country have been skipped for free RX-51's20:30
lcuki think the gsoc idea at first was ingenious and a cheap way to get new project ideas20:31
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Stskeepswazd: curious, on , when it's marked, do you mean the current process?20:33
Stskeepsor moving cursor when going down with dpad20:33
lcukwazd, his bright nice clean easy to understand buttons?20:34
GeneralAntilleswazd, have you considered dropping the icon glow?20:34
lcukthe icon glow is nice20:34
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GeneralAntillesUnfortunately it reduces contrast and hurts visibility.20:35
GeneralAntillesBad for blind old people.20:35
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: these parts should (thank god) be themeable :)20:35
wazdlcuk: well, I don't know exactly how magic close works but in my variaant yes, it's the current process :)20:35
Jaffawazd: VDVsx reused my bttons, honest.20:35
wazdJaffa: :)20:36
GeneralAntillesUbuntu repos are slow. . . .20:36
Stskeepswazd: also, any reason for no home logo?20:36
wazdGeneralAntilles: well, glowing adds some underwater flavour I think)20:36
* lcuk has a jaffa button widget20:36
wazdStskeeps: no, just lazy to cut it out :)20:36
Stskeepswazd: hehe, okay, thought it was interesting nevertheless20:37
lcukwazd? magic close?  you been on the mushrooms?20:37
Jaffathopiekar: another option for building source packages is mud-builder. For example, to build a Maemo-compatible deb of a single Vala source file, complete with applications' menu integration and icons took about 6 files: (and three of them are icons)20:37
* lcuk has never heard of magic close20:37
wazdlcuk: acid :)20:37
lcukwe get asked at work to add magic buttons to our applications20:37
wazdlcuk: well, I think the screenshot describes it in basics :)20:37
Stskeepslcuk: it's the old switcher button that comes out when you have too many applications open20:38
lcuk"i need a button to do blah blah blah when i click it and im busy, and do blah blah blah when im using it in a different way"20:38
Stskeepsit's an experiment, and is actually quite nice using in practice20:38
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Stskeepslcuk: this time around it comes out when apps > 020:38
lcuki dont think ive ever had enough apps20:38
Stskeepsand functions as a close app menu as well as switch-to-home and task-switcher20:38
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lcukis there a screenie of the default maemo one20:39
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thopiekarJaffa: the thing is that I allways want to test my debs before uploading them...20:39
wazdBtw, thanks everyone who helped me with A2DP, it works like a charm)20:39
thopiekarI hope that jeremaid will be here soon..20:39
VDVsxJaffa, and your buttons are now in GSoC :P20:40
lcukVDVsx, accepted?20:40
thopiekarthere is a package (graphviz) which conflicts with libtool when installing one of them and I'm unable to build a i386 package on mea..20:40
lcukwhich bits20:40
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lcukStskeeps, the one that comes up in bottom left that you can also click home from and close other apps?20:41
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Stskeepsit functions really nicely up in the corner20:42
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lcuki liked it in the bottom left :$20:42
lcuki like the icon replacement thingy - its a bit abstract but its certainly nicer20:43
wazdStskeeps: is it possible to make hildon menu like this?
Stskeepswazd: i guess so but that's going to take some time20:43
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind a bigger menu though.20:44
Stskeepsthe current one is not so nice touch wise20:44
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Stskeepswazd: menu button really needs to be bigger, doesn't it?20:46
mikkov__thopiekar: graphviz doesn't work because somebody uploaded binaries in source Ãpackage20:47
thopiekaryes mikkov__ that what I noticed too..20:47
thopiekarI wasn't beleaving it so I contacted the manitainer..20:48
thopiekarand its true :P20:48
thopiekarthere is a folder called graphvizsrc.. but there a still bins in it..20:48
wazdStskeeps: Mer or hildon?20:48
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Stskeepswazd: hildon20:48
joyrideris it possible to forcibly remove a package using apt ? i tried to create a script that would run after uninstallation but it doesn't really work and doesn't want to uninstall anymore20:49
Stskeepsas in, on my scrshot20:49
thopiekarI want to build a stable and older version of ubuntu into extras.. so I have to talk about that with jeremaid..20:49
wazdStskeeps: well, 52x52 is large enough I think20:49
Stskeepsit just doesn't feel too right when touching20:50
wazdStskeeps: I actually don't use hildon menu much, don't know bout the otheres20:50
* thopiekar needs to solve that problem before rebuilding all other dependences of mixxx, what he wants to build and maybe make his first porting job with it..20:51
thopiekarbut now I'm wasting my time with building pulseaudio of ubuntu, because fremantle's is almost working with upstart..20:51
thopiekarand I don't know how diablo would react with it..20:52
lardmanJaffa: ping20:52
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lardmanderf: ping20:53
Jaffalardman: semi-pomg20:54
derflardman: Pong.20:54
lardmanJaffa: I can't see a way I'm afraid20:54
Jaffa(with baby, one armed and dinner's on)20:55
lardmanderf: Do you happen to have a QR-code test binary up somewhere that I can link to?
lardmanJaffa: Sorry20:55
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derfGive me a minute.20:56
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lardman~lart Octave C++ build errors21:00
* infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Octave C++ build errors21:00
lardmanin fact ~lart GCC 3.x21:00
derfYou can't build the code with GCC 3.x.21:01
derfIt trips multiple compiler bugs.21:01
lardmanyeah, just noticed that21:01
derfDo you want a version that dumps all kinds of fun debugging images, or just the decoded text?21:02
lardmanprobably just the text, but anything will do I think21:03
lardmanfor someone to try out, etc.21:03
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lardmanQR codes have locator blocks don't they?21:03
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derfThey have "finder patterns", if that's what you mean.21:04
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lardmanhow much work has to be done to find those?21:05
derfDepends on how reliably you want to actually detect them.21:05
lardmanthinking of some quick identifier code to decide which proper decoder to call first, etc21:05
derfWell, a typical QR code image has lots of bits which _look_ like they might be finder patterns.21:06
derfAnd... for some reason this binary is segfaulting when the x86 one did not.21:06
derfWell, reverting to current svn still does, so it's not a new regression anyway.21:09
* timelE61i runs out of battery21:09
derfOnly happens on ~a dozen images out of 200.21:09
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derfI don't have time to track it down right now, but I can hand you the binary as-is.21:09
lardmanok cool, will pass that on21:11
derfNote that that's for PNG input only, and unless you have a version of iconv that supports SJIS (and maybe CP437), you'll have trouble decoding codes with data in those character sets.21:12
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derf(it'll still produce output, just not converted to UTF-8)21:12
derfOh, I remember what this segfault is.21:13
derflibpng on the tablets is borken.21:13
Proteousstupid ping21:13
rmtOkey.. now I'm going to try setting up an NFS based chroot build environment. :-)21:13
lardmanhmm, is that a known bug?21:13
Proteousalpha channels are for loosers21:13
derfWell, libpng knows about it. It's fixed in a later version.21:14
derfNo idea if maemo knows about it.21:14
derfAnd maybe I'm just running a really old version of maemo.21:14
derfThat binary is for chinook, though it should work in theory on diablo.21:14
lardmanmy scratchbox has /usr/lib/
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lardmanyeah should be fine21:15
derfYes, so does mine.21:15
lardmanok, so no updates to libpng for Diablo then21:15
lardman ??21:15
lardman for the list21:15
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thopiekarwhat is dh_prep usually doing?21:18
Proteouseating your lunch out of your locker21:18
lardmanno clue, Debian stuff ;)21:18
* lardman heads off to eat21:19
Proteouswhy did you give it your combination anyway?21:19
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slonopotamushehe. /me used xf86-input-tslib with right-click patch from debian and now have perfect clicking in any app :P21:19
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thopiekarProteous: cracklib2's rulez-file of ubuntu's sources is using it.. but sb1.diablo hasn't got it.. i'm thinking about commenting it out..21:20
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ProteousMmmm, crack21:22
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geoaxisneat ...maemo made it to GSOC21:32
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xnthey all, im At after school :)22:02
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xntok i gotta switch computers :), brb22:02
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Shadow__Xwhere do the program icons go22:03
joyrideri've put mine in a subdir of (i used scalable and a 64x64 png icon) /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22:04
Shadow__Xhmmn its the wizard mounter issue22:05
joyriderah the no icon appearing in the menu ?22:05
Shadow__Xyup but rightfully placed in root22:05
Shadow__Xin ?22:06
Stskeepswazd: still around?22:06
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joyriderShadow__X i had that also, but i went to the garage project site and downloaded the 1.2 version that fixed it22:06
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joyrideror you could just start a shell and start it manually22:06
Shadow__Xtoo much of the typie22:07
Shadow__Xi already do alot of typing on there would like to minimize it22:07
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joyriderbtw Jaffa i used that site also for my icons but the 1st 3 lines are wrong it's missing the hi-color subdir at least i think so cause i have it on my N810 and it's there where i placed my icons (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/)22:10
Shadow__Xthanks joyrider thanks Jaffa22:10
Shadow__Xjust did 1.222:10
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Jaffajoyrider: ah yes22:14
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xntok im back :)22:16
Jaffajoyrider/Shadow__X: I got it right here: (based on thp's info)22:16
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xnthas anyone seen b-man?22:17
Jaffa(apart from the .service line, doh!)22:17
VDVsx~seeb b-man22:17
VDVsx~seen b-man22:18
infobotb-man <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 18h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'thanks and no'.22:18
joyriderso anyone care to test my game before i post it on ITT forums ? everything should work now (icons are working as is the deb itself etc (took me a whole day to figure out how to create one))22:18
Shadow__Xwhat kind of game22:18
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joyriderjust a simple game like bejeweled except that you just form rectangles22:18
joyrider <- have a look22:19
joyriderit's a movie of the game22:19
joyriderit's just a recreation of a flash game i used to play22:20
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yigali bought the g1 to use as a modem and a backup to my n800.  However it has a terrible battery life, and it is far less open then I thought it would be, any suggestions for a TMo phone to use with the n800 for 3g?22:24
yigalalso the g1 has no spell checking22:25
Stskeepsyigal: they have sony-ericsson k610i?22:25
Stskeepsit's close to being a perfect tethering phone for me22:25
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yigalStskeeps: ill check it out, ty.22:26
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: it doesn't do US 3G frequencies.22:27
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: ah.22:27
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yigalthere has to be a better solution than the g122:30
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jeff1fI havent seen a good tmo tethering phone22:31
jeff1fwith 3g22:31
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* Stskeeps ponders if there's anyone who's more capable of hacking up hildon-desktop as he's getting the creeps from gtk at the moment.22:34
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yigalwell the g1 has 3g & tethering - w/extra work - so I guess I'll keep the thing, it even improve w/age? whatever22:43
jeff1fi might have to get a second plan for the next tablet22:46
Stskeepsyigal: maybe if you keep the firmware you can do 'reboot' or 'telnetd' on :P22:47
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ShadowJKyigal, how terrible battery life is terrible?22:58
Stskeepsyigal: i'm actually surprised it has bad battery life, i thought android/dalvik would actually work better than hildon-like apps cos of the extensive use of event handlers..22:59
Stskeepsbut then again, java..23:00
Stskeepsand overarchitecturing things23:00
ptarginois there any gsoc mentor there?23:02
Stskeepsi believe has a list23:03
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ptarginothanks, but there only the names of mentors23:06
Stskeepsnicknames in () too23:06
ptarginooh , thats true23:06
Stskeeps is probably relevant in general23:07
ptarginothanks again23:08
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lcukderf/lardman ive not noticed a specific png problem with blending (the bacon was fully blended!) is it simply possible i worked round the damage myself when i was importing and just didnt notice?23:14
lcukie isnt it more likely to be a fault when rendering the png itself23:15
derflcuk: AFAICT it has something to do with the set of conversion options you specify (programmatically) and is only triggered by paletted images.23:16
derfAt least the segfault _I_ was experiencing.23:16
lcukfair enough then23:16
derfThere may be other blending problems.23:16
lcukthe blending itself is done by the app engine though isnt it rather than libpng itself23:17
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derfDepends. The app can do it itself, or it can ask png to blend with the background color specified in the image.23:17
derf(I always do the latter, since I'm not planning on displaying these images on anything)23:17
lcukahh fair enough then23:17
lcuki just leave an alpha channel23:18
lcukand work it as required23:18
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VDVsxptargino, yes :)23:19
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* GeneralAntilles is slowly beginning to hate Ubuntu.23:28
Stskeepslpia seems a bit wacky23:30
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, why ? :P23:31
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, nothing works correctly.23:31
GeneralAntillesand it's generally a royal pain in the ass to use a desktop environment I'm not used to.23:31
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, I don't have complains, but I use gnome for about 6~7 years :)23:32
VDVsxYes, I started with KDE :) eheheh23:32
* Stskeeps uses XP. but is most often in putty.23:33
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GeneralAntillesVery little about the arrangement of system settings and configuration makes sense.23:33
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* qwerty12_N800 did claim to just mainly use ubuntu but Gta got me back into tha xp game23:33
xntb-man: Im trying xchat!, btw what happened to the upload?23:34
GeneralAntillesLeopard + VMWare + Maemo SDK VM is looking more and more appealing.23:34
||cwsure it does, things that affect only the user account are in one area, things that affect the whole system are in other23:34
lcukGeneralAntilles, :D you dont need the sdk23:34
b-manxnt: i was kinda forced to disconnect :(23:34
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that may very well turn out to be true with an OMAP3 device.23:35
xnt:(. can you reupload it ?23:35
lcuki mean normally :P23:35
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GeneralAntilles||cw, go down a step.23:35
b-manxnt: yup, doing it now ;)23:35
lcuki really do think the o3 will be an amazing step23:35
GeneralAntilles||cw, the individual control panels and their arrangement is just obnoxious.23:35
lcuktheres a control panel?23:35
xntthanks!, lol I was getting more and more bored :P23:35
lcuki thought it was just a menu23:35
GeneralAntillesThe theme selector that goes 10 dialogs deep.23:35
GeneralAntilleslcuk, _panels_23:36
lcukheh - i hope you remember to click outside the dialog to close it23:36
timelessgan: which is this?23:36
b-manxnt: heh23:36
xntb-man: lol23:36
* xnt is liking xchat23:36
GeneralAntillestimeless, Dellbuntu 8.04 on the Mini 9 is slowly sapping me of all my strength and patience.23:37
* GeneralAntilles sighs.23:37
* xnt is exploring the menus :)23:37
* GeneralAntilles just tried to tap the Mini 9's screen to close the application menu.23:37
qwerty12_N8008.04 was a rushed pos23:37
* lcuk is gonna get an asus eee top 23:38
b-manxnt: it's quite a nice client :)23:38
xntb-man: I agree23:38
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, unfortunately I don't think I have the energy to arrange installation of 8.10 or something newer.23:38
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qwerty12_N800Heh, doesn't sound like you'll like it much better :/, but at the time for me; the 7.10 > 8.04 upgrade was the worst23:39
b-manhello, jaem_N810 :)23:40
jaem_N810say... how easily serviceable are 5-1/4" floppy drives, for someone in Engineering?23:40
xntjaem_N810: hi23:40
jaem_N810hi, b-man, xnt23:40
jaem_N810I think mine's toast :(23:40
qwerty12_N8008.04 to 8.10 also brought its shi.. newer network manager so I had to pin the 8.04 version23:40
jaem_N810I just found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2.0 :P23:41
jaem_N810but it's on floppies23:41
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xntjaem_N810: :P23:41
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jaem_N810and my drive is half-dead23:41
xntqwerty12_N800: lol23:41
jaem_N810I wanted it for laughs, mainly, and out of interest23:42
jaem_N810the drive spins down shortly after inserting a diskette, and won't spin up until you reinsert it23:42
jaem_N810I'm not sure how far gone it is, but I could certainly de/solder things if I have the parts23:42
jaem_N810then again, a used drive is probably ~$5 or less23:43
xnt74MB on the upload :)23:43
jaem_N810b-man: what's the issue with the tarball?23:43
xntjaem: why not buy a new one?23:44
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b-manthe upload got interupted, but don't worry, i'm resuming the upload ;)23:44
xntjaem: are you in the US?23:44
b-manat 99% now :)23:44
xnt:D YAY!, can't wait :)23:45
geoaxisis there a seprate channel for maemo-gsoc23:45
jaem_N810xnt: Canada23:45
xntwait, b-man, how big is it supposed to be?23:45
xntjaem: us, specifically NY23:45
jaem_N810and - ooh... the floppy drive has test point posts23:45
jaem_N810this could be fun23:46
xntjaem: lol, don't blow it up :P23:46
* b-man is froom Bowling Green, Ohio23:46
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xntb-man: you have verizon dsl?23:47
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jaem_N810xnt: my old prof said I was lousy at troubleshooting, but he normally said things like that23:47
b-manversion yes, kinda - i'm borwing my friend's secure connection who has it23:48
b-man*verizon :P23:48
ShadowJKStskeeps / yigal: it's entirely possible they're burning it all on the radios :) My older S40 based Nokia was like that, it ate battery in 3-6 hours acting as modem over bluetooth, even if there was absolutely 0 bytes moving the entire time23:49
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xntb-man: I have Verizon FiOS, 5MB up 20MB Down :P , although the router they give you sucks, I swapped it for a WRT54TM (WRT54GL /w 32mb flash) with dd-wrt23:50
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b-mannice :)23:50
jaem_N810xnt: bah! my WRT54GL has 512MB of flash23:51
jaem_N810yay SD mod23:51
xntb-man: I have a g15, btw what computer do you have, I have this , btw my site sucks on resolustions below 1600x1200, and im too lazy to fix it :P I wrote it at 2AM23:51
jaem_N810it was fairly touchy soldering work, so a friend of mine did most of it23:51
b-manUpload complete: :D23:51
xntjaem_N810: lol23:51
jaem_N810but it works well23:52
jaem_N810b-man: %1111100023:52
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jaem_N810b-man: changelog link?23:52
xntb-man: how big is it supposed to be?23:52
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b-man74 mb23:54
b-manxnt: i'm getting a Dell Studio 1523:54
b-manxnt: "picture comming soon"? XD23:54
b-man74 mb23:54
jaem_N810b-man: ooh23:54
xntits 75MB23:54
xntb-man:yea Im to lazy to upload the pics, ill add them when I update my site :P23:55
jaem_N810I have to have some lunch23:55
jaem_N810I'll try the new release when I have a chance, b-man23:55
b-mank :)23:55
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* xnt is really happy :)23:56
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xntStskeeps: Beautiful :) I like it :)23:57
xntIt gives my ideas for my own Mer UI Concept :)23:57
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xntStskeeps: Im thinking of having a dedicated terminal tab, and have an option to remove it, for normal users, or have it disabled by default.23:58
Stskeepsxnt: interesting effect of taskbar is that when a window in quick switcher has multiple sub-windows, it pops up vertically to let you select the right window23:59
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