| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: but understand me right, i just wonder what exists that could be nice :) | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | like, i don't know of any localization infrastructure beyond launchpad | 00:01 |
| opengeekv2 | Ok, i know some gnome translators that i know andask them what they use to translate | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 00:01 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: I think that Mer Would benefit from a new ui, a ui that would adjust to..., say the nit, which is 800x480, the user would have an option to choose between hildon, and the Mer ui. the ui could adjust to be a cross between gnome/kde, and the mer nit ui, for Mer x86. what do you think? | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: well, did you see wazd's ideas? :P | 00:02 |
| xnt | no | 00:02 |
| opengeekv2 | Talking about mixng kde and gnome | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | opengeekv2, there's no point in translating until strings are stable. | 00:02 |
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| opengeekv2 | My father has an eeepc and the ui sucks and is a mix of gtk and qt and other things | 00:03 |
| xnt | stskeeps: that just inspired me to make my own mockup :) | 00:03 |
| jaem | opengeekv2: yeah, eeepc default is pretty lousy | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: hehe, well, if you have the skills :P | 00:03 |
| jaem | try UbuntuEEE, or whatever it's called these days | 00:03 |
| opengeekv2 | Ths only mskes the ui incondistent and confusing | 00:04 |
| xnt | jaem: easy peasy, I used to have it on my eee 701 | 00:04 |
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| jaem | also, Canonical is releasing the Netbook Remix properly with Jaunty, IIRC | 00:04 |
| opengeekv2 | Yes i know, now he has ububtu netbook remix installed | 00:04 |
| lardman|afk | night chaps | 00:05 |
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| prometoys | hi, I tried to flash a n800 and got an error http://pastebin.com/d1d4f02a3. wondering what to do know (or not)... | 00:05 |
| jaem | oh man, those "pastebin errors" are usually bad news | 00:06 |
| jaem | :P | 00:06 |
| opengeekv2 | Or maybe i would say ubuntu with some gnome-panel applets and a program that makes windiw borders disaperar and tto be ever maximized | 00:06 |
| jaem | Netbook Remix is basically just some mods and extensions to the GNOME desktop | 00:06 |
| xnt | opengeekv2: well IMO, the ui should have a universal menu scheme, like the Mer logo Menu in the top right corner for both x86 and nit uis, and I think the hildon menu system would work nicely with both uis | 00:06 |
| jaem | but the official "Netbook Remix" hasn't been released, last I checked - just its constituent parts, which you can install for the same effect | 00:07 |
| * xnt thinks that that error is bad news | 00:07 | |
| xnt | :( | 00:07 |
| jaem | xnt: it certainly doesn't look good | 00:07 |
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| opengeekv2 | If you only have a menu yo will need more clicks to run apps | 00:08 |
| xnt | ok the bootloader flashed ok (good news) the kernel flashed, then the initfs flash failed... | 00:09 |
| prometoys | jaem, xnt: about which error do you talk? | 00:09 |
| jaem | the last two lines | 00:09 |
| xnt | prometoys: the initfs flashing failed, the initfs is when you see the loading bar, when you boot, without it you cant boot maemo | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | actually initfs doesn't do anything with the loading bar :) | 00:10 |
| prometoys | xnt: ok. can I try to reflash it? can I disconnect it from usb now? | 00:10 |
| xnt | do not disconnect it from the usb yet | 00:10 |
| xnt | are you running this as root? | 00:11 |
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| prometoys | xnt: yes | 00:11 |
| xnt | ok, then what does the n800 show? | 00:11 |
| prometoys | xnt: the nokia logo and the usb logo in the upper right corner | 00:12 |
| prometoys | the LED is shining blue | 00:12 |
| xnt | ok ,so don't reboot it and dont disconnect it | 00:12 |
| prometoys | xnt: ok | 00:12 |
| opengeekv2 | Hey i go out of there ok? | 00:12 |
| xnt | run dmesg, and put it in pastebin, we need to see the kernel messages | 00:13 |
| opengeekv2 | Ill investigate abou onlone translating systems | 00:13 |
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| prometoys | xnt: voila http://pastebin.com/d66296404 | 00:15 |
| xnt | ok wait | 00:15 |
| jaem | pastebin length limit? | 00:16 |
| jaem | I don't see anything past the boot | 00:16 |
| prometoys | moment | 00:16 |
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| prometoys | maybe a problem of dmesg, i compare it with syslog | 00:16 |
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| jaem | prometoys: dmesg |tail -n 20 | 00:17 |
| jaem | or maybe more than 20 | 00:17 |
| jaem | we just need the last bunch of lines | 00:17 |
| mmatth | where could i ask a question about osso & registering your app so that it'll handle files opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ? | 00:17 |
| jaem | probably here | 00:18 |
| prometoys | how much lines do you see in pastebin, I see 687 and its complete | 00:18 |
| jaem | I do too... | 00:18 |
| jaem | hmm | 00:18 |
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| jaem | I'm getting used to Arch Linux logging format, and I can't remember quite how Ubuntu does it | 00:18 |
| mmatth | how do you register an app to handle a certain mime type? | 00:19 |
| * jaem doesn't feel like pulling up the remote Ubuntu VM | 00:19 | |
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| xnt | jaem: im running a ubuntu machine right now | 00:19 |
| jaem | xnt: what's your root password :P | 00:19 |
| jaem | just kidding | 00:19 |
| xnt | lol | 00:19 |
| xnt | my root pass is jaemwillnotgetmyrootpass | 00:20 |
| prometoys | hihi | 00:20 |
| jaem | ...counterintuitive... | 00:20 |
| xnt | ok back to work | 00:20 |
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| prometoys | I cant see anything useful/different in syslog | 00:21 |
| jaem | you have to run dmesg --show-useful-info | 00:21 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: should he try to reflash? | 00:22 |
| prometoys | right.. a second please ;) | 00:22 |
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| jaem | prometoys: you know I'm kidding... | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: hell if i know, was in another console | 00:22 |
| prometoys | what sounds a littlle bit promising is "Write failed after 0 bytes", or not? | 00:23 |
| prometoys | jaem: of course :D | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: i will assume you are running it as root? | 00:23 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps: yes | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | and you perform it in accordance to | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 00:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:23 |
| xnt | prometoys: well I wouldn't reccomend reboot your n800 with a new bl and kernel, and old initfs | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: and you use the nokia usb cable? | 00:24 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps: yes | 00:24 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps: yes | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | verify the image is actually for your tablet? :P | 00:24 |
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| prometoys | Stskeeps: yes, RX34 | 00:24 |
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| prometoys | I used RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:25 |
| * fireun wishes he had doublespace for his 770 | 00:25 | |
| ShadowJK | I think jffs2 does it anyway | 00:25 |
| lcuk | its already compressed isnt it | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | prometoys: what version were you upgrading from? | 00:25 |
| prometoys | qwerty12_N800: bora | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | prometoys: flash to chinook first | 00:26 |
| prometoys | it's a new n800, | 00:26 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: what? you mean these Nokia cables? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6764 | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | otherwise the initfs partition size wont get increaseed | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/increaseed/increased/ | 00:26 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: otherwise the initfs partition size wont get increased | 00:26 |
| jaem | I like how they excuse the obvious counterfeit by calling them "compatible", despite being a bit more than that :P | 00:26 |
| prometoys | but can I just right now start flashing with another image? | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | just pop battery and try again | 00:29 |
| xnt | qwerty12_n800: so the flasher wrote 0 bytes because it detected that is n800 is running bora? | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | prometoys: Cancel it, flash to chinook & then to diablo | 00:29 |
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| fireun | doublespace my ram | 00:29 |
| prometoys | ok, so it's not (totally) damaged right now? | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope | 00:29 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps: pop means put out and in ? | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:30 |
| prometoys | thank you all for your help, I will try chinook now | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | xnt: initfs partition size is too small to flash the initfs image so it wont even bother | 00:30 |
| xnt | qwerty12_n800: oh ok thanks :) | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with diablo, the initfs size was increased by about 2mb - 2mb more than bora or chinook had :) | 00:31 |
| xnt | ok :) | 00:32 |
| lcuk | you wouldv thought it would have been tested, is it something that everyone upgrading hits? | 00:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: the assumed upgrade path is chinook > diablo which works fine | 00:32 |
| lcuk | wow | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i know itsn ot an OS< but we have an upgrade path from release 0.1 of our work software, i think they made that sometime in '98 | 00:33 |
| lcuk | its not an | 00:33 |
| prometoys | I am just wondering, this complicated flashing-stuff it going on my nerves, but the only feature would be "no need for upgrade path" and they messed up this too :D | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | prometoys: | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 00:34 |
| infobot | ssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 00:34 |
| * mgedmin wants the N810 to have a LED setting "on while charging" | 00:34 | |
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| xnt | prometoysLbrb | 00:34 |
| prometoys | GeneralAntilles: I know .. :D | 00:34 |
| xnt | i mean br | 00:34 |
| xnt | brb , my keyboard is flaking out :( | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin: there's quite a few ways to achieve that | 00:35 |
| prometoys | which one is chinook? version 2.2007.51-3 ? | 00:35 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: you may be able to hack something like this on your own | 00:36 |
| xnt | mgedmin: Personally I would prefer to have the LED off while charging, it bugs me when I sleep | 00:36 |
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| mgedmin | I just want to see from a distance when it's done charging (or when the flakey power cord stopped working again and needs tweaking) | 00:36 |
| * RST38h rotates the tablet so that LED faces the wall, but it is kinda minor given the array of other LEDs present in the room | 00:36 | |
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| mgedmin | the leather pouch should works quite well, I think | 00:37 |
| xnt | mgedmin: http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/ but I wouldn't reccomend that you try it, one mistake and your tablet gone. | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | caution: may explode? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | it will grow legs and run away from you | 00:39 |
| * jaem loves blinkenlights | 00:39 | |
| prometoys | yeah, flashing runs :D | 00:39 |
| * jaem wants a rack of blinkenlights in his living room, which he would drape with garland and tinsel at Christmas time | 00:40 | |
| * b-man uploads the new ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 image | 00:40 | |
| jaem | the rack and the tinsel aren't the problem... it's the servers that are expensive :P | 00:40 |
| * jaem high fives b-man! | 00:40 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin: use something that responds to the dbus signal of charger connected (acmonitor, dbus-scripts-settings, adv-power) and echo to /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode | 00:41 |
| * b-man gives jeam a high five :D | 00:41 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hint of advice btw, your post should probably mention people shouldn't ask about ubuntu-n8x0 in ubuntu channels as it's not their product :P | 00:41 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: very good point | 00:41 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: i'll do that ;) | 00:41 |
| jaem | I seem to remember Ubuntu having a similar issue with something else a while back | 00:41 |
| jaem | where people drowned the forums in irrelevant requests | 00:42 |
| * b-man needs to make a ubuntu-n8x0 channel | 00:42 | |
| Stskeeps | jaem: technically b-man isn't even allowed to call it ubuntu, but that's another discussion | 00:42 |
| jaem | also a good point | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | jaem, looks like they don't have the plastic bit with the markings that make it look like Nokia (judging by the comments) | 00:42 |
| b-man | :P | 00:42 |
| jaem | ah... that's amusing | 00:42 |
| xnt | b-man: hopefully when solca creates nitselector, i can try ubuntu-n8x0, I never cared about the android sdk because I didn't have a android device, so I like the idea of full blown ubuntu on my n810 :P | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | jaem, actually in the picture there's no "Nokia" written on that plastic bit either, on the real thing there is :P | 00:43 |
| * b-man cannot find a better project name... | 00:43 | |
| b-man | any suggestions? | 00:43 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: have you seen their TM violation letters? Canonical's lawyers aren't just un-rabid - they're actually *friendly* | 00:43 |
| xnt | *correction* after android device, now I started developing for it | 00:43 |
| jaem | b-man: moblin | 00:44 |
| * b-man is not calling it tabuntu XD | 00:44 | |
| jaem | oh wait | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: ubkia :p | 00:44 |
| faso | Does any1 know where I can download and install debootstrap from on nokia n810? | 00:44 |
| jaem | ubumaekia | 00:44 |
| b-man | ubkia? XP | 00:44 |
| jaem | faso: I forget | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: still, nothing makes parents more happy than a lawyer letter.. | 00:44 |
| jaem | I would like to remember | 00:44 |
| xnt | b-man: I always had trouble finding names for my projects :P | 00:45 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: yeah, but they /are/ nice about it | 00:45 |
| xnt | tabuntu lol | 00:45 |
| jaem | which is unheard of | 00:45 |
| faso | I tried maemo-extras-devel but it doesnt help | 00:45 |
| prometoys | jaem, Stskeeps, xnt, thanks for your help. flashing worked and now diablo is annoying me with the setup wizard :D | 00:45 |
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| jaem | xnt: they have a wildcard trademark on *buntu, I believe | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: woo :) | 00:45 |
| xnt | prometoys: np | 00:45 |
| b-man | xnt: yeah people laughed when i suggested it XP | 00:45 |
| mib_2zv4kl | Hello ! | 00:45 |
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| jaem | prometoys: woot. | 00:45 |
| jaem | xnt, b-man: am I missing something? | 00:46 |
| b-man | and i remember Stskeeps being horified XD | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: btw, heads up, packages.tspre.org might be going away | 00:46 |
| b-man | jeam: the tabuntu suggestion | 00:46 |
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| Khertan | I'm trying to change a TaskNavigatorItem widget in the TaskNav does this one is cached by maemo launcher ? as i can do what i want i can't change it | 00:46 |
| * jaem doesn't get it | 00:46 | |
| prometoys | it's the second day with the n800 and I still try to pull out the keyboard (like in my n810) | 00:47 |
| jaem | prometoys: pull harder | 00:47 |
| faso | b-man : I am following ur tips on getting jaunty on n810...I dont have debootstrap...Do u know how I can get that? | 00:47 |
| Khertan | prometoys: lol | 00:47 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: noo! DX | 00:47 |
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| b-man | faso: apt-get install debootstrap | 00:47 |
| jaem | oh - it's in the repos? | 00:48 |
| jaem | huh | 00:48 |
| jaem | I forgot | 00:48 |
| faso | jaem, b-man : which repo is it ? | 00:48 |
| prometoys | jaem: definitely more useful then the handwriting recognition :) | 00:48 |
| Khertan | so noone have any idea ? | 00:48 |
| jaem | faso: in the absence of a repo name, generally assume Extras - although in this case I'm not sure | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: do me a favour sometime and see how much breaks if you simply bootstrap without pinning the mer repository, just having it alongside as a source.. | 00:49 |
| * b-man also cannot remember | 00:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: and what packages you need to force to be from mer (through package=ver) stuff | 00:49 |
| jaem | faso: extras-devel | 00:49 |
| jaem | just remember to remove the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software | 00:50 |
| jaem | s/remove/disable/ | 00:50 |
| infobot | jaem meant: just remember to disable the repo when you're done, as that's mostly unstable software | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: because then we should wrap the ubuntu stuff into mer, as a variant, really. | 00:50 |
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| faso | u mean maemo-extras-devel ? | 00:50 |
| faso | I tried it but it doesnt work | 00:51 |
| jaem | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel is the URL | 00:51 |
| jaem | what error did it give you? | 00:51 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: I use some of the kernel module and wireless firmware packages | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | i assume some of the tslib/-tslib and hal packages as well | 00:52 |
| b-man | yup | 00:52 |
| * b-man is working on getting it all in he repo | 00:52 | |
| b-man | *the | 00:52 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: I like to wget -r some of my favorite sites, when there about to be taken down :P | 00:52 |
| b-man | hmm | 00:53 |
| b-man | nah XD | 00:53 |
| xnt | jk | 00:54 |
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| xnt | although I can mirror a site if you want, I have a Dreamhost Hosting Plan with alot of bandwidth :P | 00:56 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: when you mean by wraping up mer and ubuntu do you mean merging? | 00:59 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: as in it really ought to be such that you can install gnome if you so want in mer or ubuntu core | 01:00 |
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| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 01:03 | |
| b-man | ..as in i could make a sys-env that's compatible with both systems | 01:03 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: wait! | 01:04 |
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| * xnt is bored | 01:04 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 starts on his Romeo & Juliet coursework that is due in tomorrow... >.< | 01:05 | |
| faso | I tried doing apt-get install debootstrap...then it gave me a broken package error | 01:05 |
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| faso | wonder how u guys did a debotostrap | 01:05 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_n800: your not allone, i had to do that last year as a freshman | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 01:06 |
| * xnt is supposed to be doing his homework instead of chatting in irc :P | 01:06 | |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: are you a sophmore? - just wondering.. | 01:06 |
| * fireun is bored, finals are over | 01:06 | |
| * fireun is watching the shuttle dock with the ISS | 01:07 | |
| z4chh | i got a final tomorrow o_o | 01:07 |
| fireun | just about to open the hatch | 01:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: dunno how the American system of British "years" work - all i know is that I'm in my last year of secondary school :) | 01:07 |
| b-man | 0o | 01:08 |
| b-man | i'm only in my second year | 01:08 |
| * mgedmin had 12 years of school and never understood where primary, secondary etc started and ended | 01:08 | |
| b-man | lol | 01:09 |
| * xnt is really bored with school | 01:09 | |
| b-man | primary - k-6 secondary - 7-12.. i think | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa | Not in the UK | 01:10 |
| * b-man is in 10th grade | 01:10 | |
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| xnt | I was bored in lunch so i went to the tech lab, and booted a linux livecd with the android sdk and coded the whole period | 01:10 |
| Jaffa | Primary = 5-11, Secondary = 11 - 116/18 | 01:10 |
| z4chh | hello Jaffa | 01:10 |
| derf | Jaffa: b-man means grade, not age. | 01:10 |
| * xnt is in the 8th grade | 01:11 | |
| b-man | oh | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | Ah. That's right then | 01:11 |
| derf | Yeah, they're just about the same. | 01:11 |
| derf | Except graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US. | 01:11 |
| b-man | yup XP | 01:12 |
| xnt | school is boring in the 8th grade | 01:12 |
| Khertan | good night | 01:12 |
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| b-man | xnt: 7th and 8th were the most interesting for me | 01:13 |
| z4chh | got a girlfriend did you? >.< | 01:14 |
| xnt | I hate my school, they force us to use windows and IE, and we have no wifi what so ever, and the only computers which can boot of of cd are the ones in the tech lab :( | 01:15 |
| z4chh | xnt, that is most schools o_O | 01:15 |
| derf | xnt: When I was in 8th grade, the only computers we had at _all_ were in a lab. | 01:16 |
| derf | And they were all Apple (not even Macs). | 01:16 |
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| z4chh | i remember using apples in 2nd grade or so...i was so brainwashed :\ | 01:17 |
| derf | It's all about the Oregon Trail. That's how they get you. | 01:17 |
| xnt | seriously I get so pissed when IE crashes on me, making me lose all my work, When I get to Highschool, Im going to try to switch my school over to linux, but it will be hard. | 01:17 |
| z4chh | not possible | 01:18 |
| z4chh | got to know what it is first >.< | 01:18 |
| xnt | or atleast I will sneak a FON router into the tech lab and hide it in the mess of wires :P | 01:18 |
| xnt | My school has a million legacy (Pentium) Computers, that they have no use for | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | my school has one ibm-comparible pc when I was there (a 486 iirc) | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | me's speling is becming atrocious | 01:22 |
| xnt | I will Just install LTSP on their server and boot edubuntu on all the computers at school | 01:22 |
| xnt | mgedmin: lol, when I was in preschool , we had a dos computer. | 01:23 |
| RST38h | we did not have computers at school | 01:23 |
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| RST38h | so you should all consider yourselves lucky, young men! | 01:24 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 01:24 | |
| xnt | brb | 01:24 |
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| z4chh | RST38h, ahhh because they were not invented yet? | 01:25 |
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| b-man | i'm back - got disconnected XP | 01:33 |
| fireun | xp points for disconnects? cool. | 01:33 |
| joyrider | how does the postinst file needs to be named in the debian directory ? is it appname.postinst or postinst or postinst.ex ? (dh_make makes the last one) | 01:34 |
| * Jaffa beds | 01:34 | |
| Jaffa | joyrider: "postinst" | 01:34 |
| joyrider | ok thanks | 01:34 |
| Jaffa | The ".ex"es mean "example" | 01:34 |
| joyrider | aha | 01:34 |
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| joyrider | also does one have to call that iconcache updater ? | 01:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: appname.postinst is for when you're making multiple binary packages from a single source (but that said, it doesn't hurt to use appname.postinst for a single binary package being made from a single source ;)) | 01:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: if installing new icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 01:36 |
| joyrider | ok | 01:36 |
| xnt | im back | 01:36 |
| joyrider | thanks | 01:36 |
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| joyrider | i finally figured out why my deb file was always empty cause i wasn't calling install but cp instead | 01:37 |
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| xnt | b-man: have you read Little Brother? http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ Its Licensed under the CreativeCommons | 01:37 |
| joyrider | thanks to lcuk :) | 01:38 |
| jaem | xnt: yeah, I read it on my N810, then went and bought the hard-cover | 01:38 |
| jaem | :D | 01:38 |
| b-man | xnt: your not in highschool yet? | 01:38 |
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| xnt | I can imagine his Phone being a N810 with a cell radio | 01:39 |
| xnt | b-man: no not yet, im in the 8th grade | 01:39 |
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| jaem | "<derf> Except graduating at 16 is pretty rare in the US.": I managed to :P... In Canada... in a private school, where they could do things like that | 01:39 |
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| jaem | my high school used to be all Windows machines | 01:40 |
| jaem | then they switched the primary classes to Mac, for some reason | 01:40 |
| xnt | jaem: Well I read the hard cover in my library, then googled it and found the site | 01:40 |
| * b-man grew up on mac... then windows came >< | 01:41 | |
| jaem | and now we have a couple of nice-ish Macs in the high school lab (it's a K-12 school), as well as a few Ubuntu boxen | 01:41 |
| b-man | jeam: sweet | 01:41 |
| xnt | jaem: Lucky, | 01:41 |
| jaem | well, I graduated before they put in Linux :( | 01:41 |
| xnt | jaem: I want to be in your school | 01:41 |
| xnt | :( | 01:42 |
| * b-man is allowed to install software on the computers at his school XD | 01:42 | |
| jaem | and we had to do C# in my IT class | 01:42 |
| jaem | for some reason | 01:42 |
| jaem | despite all the previous and following years doing C++, which is actually useful | 01:42 |
| * xnt is not allowed to execute exes on his school computer | 01:42 | |
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| b-man | jeam: we have quad-core desktops and laptops with powerful gpu's + laptops and a smartboard in every room XD | 01:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | xnt: same, although me & friends cracked admin password... But the bastards changed it & it's not worth cracking again as I've only got 2 months left | 01:43 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:44 |
| jaem | b-man: I hate you | 01:44 |
| b-man | lol | 01:44 |
| jaem | I hope you're joking | 01:44 |
| b-man | no XD | 01:44 |
| jaem | darn you! | 01:44 |
| b-man | lol | 01:44 |
| jaem | xnt: our IT guy was fairly lenient | 01:44 |
| jaem | if you /could/ do something you weren't supposed to do, and you didn't cause any trouble with it, it was ignored | 01:45 |
| jaem | but there still was some things that were "over the line" | 01:45 |
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| b-man | we don't even use chaklboards/whiteboards - it's all touchscreen XD | 01:46 |
| b-man | i'm serious | 01:46 |
| xnt | b-man: my school had a huge security hole, where anyone could open up word, go to office online help, that would open up firefox and then type in X:/admin, you can open up a cmd prompt with admin privlidges, Its all patched up now. | 01:46 |
| jaem | tricking him into letting me load a C# program I'd made on his work laptop, which popped the CD tray at random intervals only got me a "I want the source code" from him | 01:46 |
| jaem | and yeah, that's stupid | 01:46 |
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| jaem | but it was amusing to watch | 01:46 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:47 |
| xnt | b-man: we have smartboards | 01:47 |
| xnt | jaem: lol | 01:47 |
| jaem | he ended up rebooting - not that he couldn't have fixed it, but he didn't suspect anything from me, so I guess it was just easier than stopping in the middle of teaching to figure it out | 01:47 |
| b-man | xnt: nice :D | 01:47 |
| jaem | wow... | 01:48 |
| * b-man loves to mess around with google earth on the smartboards XD | 01:48 | |
| xnt | b-man: if my school switched to linux, I don't have to worry about compatability, SMARTtech has software for mac windows and linux. | 01:48 |
| jaem | Nasa's live video feeds load a *picture* of the WMP plugin (badly compressed) before they load the actual player | 01:48 |
| jaem | it made me doubletake when I saw WMP "running" in Linux/FF | 01:49 |
| jaem | that's just sad | 01:49 |
| RST38h | Life of a Linux geek is full of frustrations, it seems... | 01:50 |
| jaem | well, it should work with the MPlayer plugin | 01:50 |
| * b-man lounges on his poach while waching a sunset and chatting on xchat | 01:50 | |
| jaem | I just thought it ridiculous that they would do that | 01:50 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile in Boston: http://i.gizmodo.com/5172560/bigdog-quadruped-robot-turns-into-killer-spanish-bull | 01:50 |
| jaem | b-man: where's my sunset? I want one too | 01:50 |
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| b-man | loll | 01:51 |
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| * jaem steals b-man's sunset | 01:51 | |
| b-man | nooo!! | 01:51 |
| * b-man steals it back XD | 01:51 | |
| jaem | where's your envy-causing imagery now? huh? | 01:51 |
| jaem | oh wait | 01:51 |
| jaem | back where it started, apparently | 01:51 |
| * RST38h toggles the light switch on both. | 01:52 | |
| * jaem implodes the sun | 01:52 | |
| b-man | it's still uploading | 01:52 |
| jaem | the sun? | 01:52 |
| * jaem pulls his ethernet plug | 01:52 | |
| b-man | no XD | 01:52 |
| b-man | lol | 01:52 |
| Macor | i think i'm going to try to install android on my n800 | 01:52 |
| Macor | actually no i won't.. i don't think they have a soft keyboard for it | 01:52 |
| Macor | lame | 01:52 |
| xnt | b-man: some teachers are stupid, I loaded up ubuntu in the techlab and my english teacher said no hacking XD | 01:52 |
| * jaem actually *did* just pull his ethernet cord, but IRC didn't die | 01:52 | |
| jaem | lol | 01:52 |
| b-man | lol x100 | 01:53 |
| b-man | xnt: hehe, dolts XD | 01:53 |
| xnt | Macor: If you Install cupcake they have a soft keyboard | 01:53 |
| jaem | xnt: lol - you should have told him that hacking is a perfectly legitimate activity | 01:53 |
| jaem | it's not like you were /cracking/ anything | 01:53 |
| b-man | XD | 01:53 |
| * b-man secretary set up a chatting network XD | 01:54 | |
| xnt | Macor: I Installed Android Cupcake on my N810 and when I close my kb and tap on a text field, a soft keyborad comes up | 01:54 |
| jaem | how well does NITdroid work these days? | 01:55 |
| jaem | it still runs on top of Maemo, right? | 01:55 |
| xnt | Im running nitdroid | 01:55 |
| Macor | xnt: hm... interesting | 01:55 |
| jaem | I reiterate my question: ___ ___ ____ __ ____? | 01:55 |
| Macor | i might install it later today.. i like android more than maemo | 01:55 |
| Macor | how good is the hardware support? | 01:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no, you boot into it. you forfeit being able to boot maemo until you reflash maemo kernel | 01:56 |
| Macor | is there sound? :) | 01:56 |
| xnt | Macor: no sound :( | 01:56 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N800: does it install to jffs, then? | 01:56 |
| Macor | xnt: well.. that's kind of a deal breaker ;) | 01:56 |
| jaem | or is it an option? | 01:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jaem: nope, mmc partition 3 only | 01:56 |
| jaem | it /has/ to be p3? | 01:56 |
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| jaem | is there a rational explanation for that? | 01:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hardcoded in nitdroid kernel | 01:57 |
| jaem | huh | 01:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | as cmdline iirc | 01:57 |
| jaem | not quite what I'd call rational, from my ignorant point of view | 01:57 |
| jaem | lol | 01:57 |
| xnt | Macor, jaem: once kexec support is stable again, nitdroid will support booting back into maemo | 01:57 |
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| jaem | well, I should really go do homework | 01:58 |
| jaem | I've spent *way* too much time on IRC the last few days | 01:58 |
| xnt | Macor: You have to flash a patched kernel, and you have to partition your internal sd into fat32,fat32,ext3 | 01:59 |
| jaem | someone do me a favour and kick me if I sign in in the next 2 hours :P | 01:59 |
| * b-man doesn't have homework... ever XD | 01:59 | |
| * xnt is done with homework :P | 01:59 | |
| jaem | bye, everyone | 01:59 |
| Macor | xnt: i will use it when it has sound ;) | 01:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Too late for me - I'm doing my homework *while* chatting :p | 01:59 |
| xnt | jaem: bye | 01:59 |
| b-man | it's all done at school ;) | 01:59 |
| b-man | AA | 01:59 |
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| xnt | qwerty12: i just did the same. | 02:00 |
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| xnt | Macor: I really don't mind, I just use my blackberry for music. | 02:01 |
| Macor | i would use my g1 for music.. but no a2dp support ;) | 02:01 |
| xnt | Macor: whats the point of installing nitdroid if you already have a g1? | 02:01 |
| Macor | because i like android ;) | 02:02 |
| Macor | i want to see how well it works on the n800 | 02:02 |
| Macor | wonder if cupcake will have bt hid support | 02:02 |
| xnt | Macor: actually, I heard that the iphone just got copy/paste, mms, and a2dp. now the g1 needs a2dp, and easy root | 02:03 |
| xnt | i hope so | 02:03 |
| xnt | macor: ok | 02:03 |
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| Macor | i thought getting root was rather easy | 02:03 |
| Macor | i care more about the bluetooth hid support and a2dp support | 02:04 |
| * qwerty12_N800 types rm -rf / in the notepad | 02:04 | |
| Macor | especially if they get a good copy of andoffice working | 02:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | OH SHIT! | 02:04 |
| b-man | lol | 02:04 |
| Macor | or maybe even quickoffice.. quickoffice was great for my n95 | 02:05 |
| Macor | but i could also use my su8w on my n95 | 02:05 |
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| b-man | qwerty12_N800: did you really mess it up?, or are you joking? | 02:05 |
| Macer | wtf is with these random freenode dcc sends from random people on port 0? | 02:06 |
| Macer | some time of winnuking or something? :) | 02:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: lol, joking (remembering how stupidly easy it was to run root commands on an G1)... | 02:07 |
| pinback | anyone here how jaunty working from internal mmc on an n800? | 02:07 |
| pinback | b-man yay | 02:07 |
| xnt | well I don't keep up with the g1 recently. | 02:07 |
| Macer | i just updated mine.. jfupdater does everything for you now to update | 02:08 |
| pinback | Im stuck at the WSOD after trying to boot using Fanoush's bootmenu | 02:08 |
| pinback | just says "Booting from mmc1 (mmcblk0p1 ext3)..." | 02:09 |
| pinback | and hangs | 02:09 |
| pinback | any ideas? | 02:09 |
| xnt | pinback: reboot, and when it says press menu to enter the bootmenu, go to the usb networking option, and then try to setup usb networking and telnet into your nit and edit the bootmenu.conf file | 02:11 |
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| pinback | xnt: I've been ssh'ing in and doing that | 02:12 |
| xnt | b-man: do you mind if you help pinback? I have to eat dinner. :P, see you guys later! | 02:12 |
| pinback | Its booted into regular OS2008 - I'll ssh in now | 02:12 |
| xnt | oh ok then ask b-man for help | 02:13 |
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| pinback | got a 16Gb ext partition mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 02:13 |
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| pinback | with bman's rootstrap on it | 02:13 |
| xnt|eatingdinner | lol, i got a 8 gb sd, ok gotta go :P | 02:14 |
| pinback | :-) | 02:14 |
| pinback | bman u there? | 02:16 |
| b-man | i am now :) | 02:19 |
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| pinback | hi | 02:19 |
| b-man | hello | 02:19 |
| pinback | just tried removing jbd and reflashing didnt help but at least it didnt hang | 02:20 |
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| b-man | jbd? | 02:20 |
| pinback | bootmenu.conf looks like this: | 02:20 |
| pinback | MENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3" MENU_2_ID="mmc1" MENU_2_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1" MENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3" MENU_2_FSTYPE="ext3" MENU_2_FSOPTIONS="noatime" [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A" | 02:20 |
| pinback | hmmm... paste didnt work | 02:20 |
| pinback | MENU_2_NAME="Internal MMC card, partition 1, ext3" | 02:21 |
| pinback | MENU_2_ID="mmc1" | 02:21 |
| pinback | MENU_2_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1" | 02:21 |
| pinback | MENU_2_MODULES="mbcache ext3" | 02:21 |
| pinback | MENU_2_FSTYPE="ext3" | 02:21 |
| pinback | MENU_2_FSOPTIONS="noatime" | 02:21 |
| pinback | [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A" | 02:21 |
| pinback | Im adding jbd back into the modules now | 02:21 |
| b-man | are you using deblet's bootmenu? | 02:22 |
| pinback | was trying to use Fanoush's one | 02:22 |
| b-man | you can't | 02:22 |
| pinback | ooo | 02:22 |
| pinback | that will explain it | 02:22 |
| pinback | I dont know much about bootmenus | 02:23 |
| pinback | Is there an easy way to replace Fanoush's witth deblets? | 02:23 |
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| b-man | hold on.. | 02:23 |
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| joyrider | are applications build on the diablo sdk backwards compatible with older tablets like N800 & N770 ? | 02:25 |
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| b-man | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet - should help you with the bootmenu | 02:25 |
| pinback | thx - reading now | 02:26 |
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| joyrider | anyone care to test my znax game ? everything seems to be working on my N810 except for the unnamed window thing can't get it to display something else so i'll leave it like that atm. here's the deb : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax_1.0-1_armel.deb and here's a small flash swf of the game from when i was testing it http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html | 02:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: look at the Game Development page on wiki, mikkov wrote code which sets the title of sdl games removing the "<unnamed>" | 02:29 |
| joyrider | yeah i tried that but still can't get it to work i did change one thing though since i gave fullscreen flag to sdl i removed the windowed thingie unless it's really needed | 02:30 |
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| * b-man gets angry when gftp crashes right before completing the image upload........ arggghhh *throws book accross the room* | 02:31 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wfm, I just usually add it after the sdl set wmcaption | 02:31 |
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| joyrider | ah that might be my problem then i setted the caption after it | 02:32 |
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| joyrider | in case anyones testing : + & - keys change volume l changes skin | 02:33 |
| joyrider | and highscores have to be entered with the little DPad for now | 02:34 |
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| pinback | ok - got deblet bootmeny installed and flashed | 02:40 |
| pinback | do I need to install deblet as well? | 02:40 |
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| b-man | no | 02:42 |
| pinback | ok - so I edit /etc/bootmenu.conf now? | 02:42 |
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| b-man | you have to add an item file to /etc/bootmenu.d | 02:43 |
| pinback | yup - got the info on ITT | 02:43 |
| pinback | trying to work out where to put it in the file | 02:43 |
| b-man | put it in /etc/bootmenu.d and then run refresh_boottmenu.d | 02:44 |
| pinback | ah... create ubuntu.item | 02:44 |
| b-man | yes | 02:44 |
| b-man | re: refresh_bootmenu.d - sorry XP | 02:44 |
| pinback | ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro" ? | 02:45 |
| b-man | yup | 02:45 |
| pinback | do I need ",ro" ? | 02:45 |
| b-man | yes, if it's ext3 | 02:45 |
| pinback | it is - refreshing now | 02:45 |
| pinback | rebooting | 02:46 |
| pinback | "Starting linuxrc ..." | 02:46 |
| pinback | doh! rebooted | 02:47 |
| joyrider | going to bed see ya | 02:47 |
| b-man | see ya :) | 02:47 |
| pinback | hmmm... it just rebooted - how can I work out why? | 02:48 |
| pinback | dont see anything in dmesg | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1001 Carman Packages | 02:49 |
| b-man | pinback: try running 'apt-get update; apt-get dis-upgrade; apt-get install sys-env-x' and see if that helps | 02:52 |
| pinback | For n800 internal SD card partiton one its mmcblk0p1 during boot right? I have another card in the external slot. | 02:52 |
| pinback | apt-get dis-upgrade wants to remove busybox | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | DO NOT DIST-UPGRADE ON DEVICE! | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's currently unsupported and can lead to reboot loops with certain combinations of repositories. :) | 02:54 |
| pinback | Ok, I hit CTRL-C | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | In this case, the SDK repository (which you should never have on your device anyway). | 02:54 |
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| xnt | im back :) | 02:54 |
| b-man | GeneralAntillies: he's in ubuntu XP | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's trying to upgrade to gnutils. | 02:54 |
| pinback | sys-env-x has a lot of unmet dependencies | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man, this is #maemo | 02:55 |
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| b-man | yes, but i'm guiding him through installing ubuntu-n8x0 | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | #ubuntu-n8x0 | 02:58 |
| pinback | woohoo - found my typo in ubuntu.item | 02:58 |
| pinback | ...booting now (fingers crossed) | 02:58 |
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| pinback | taking a while in /sbin/init... | 02:59 |
| b-man | GeneralAntillies, fine. :P | 03:00 |
| pinback | how long does "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." usually take? | 03:01 |
| b-man | 1-2 seconds | 03:01 |
| pinback | eeek its hung then | 03:01 |
| pinback | reboot? | 03:02 |
| b-man | yup :( | 03:03 |
| pinback | hung again | 03:03 |
| pinback | I'll boot into maemo and ssh in | 03:03 |
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| pinback | I'll untar the rootfs tarball again - I probably messed something up | 03:05 |
| b-man | you might have to wait untill i get this new image up :( - that one is extremely buggy :( | 03:05 |
| pinback | hope not :-/ untarring now | 03:08 |
| b-man | xnt, you still here? can you help pinback?, i need to go, i'll be back in about ½ hour | 03:08 |
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| xnt | yea im still here | 03:08 |
| pinback | hi :-) | 03:08 |
| xnt | hi | 03:08 |
| pinback | I installed bootmenu and it is trying to boot ubuntu | 03:08 |
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| xnt | can you wait while I look through the chat log | 03:09 |
| xnt | thanks | 03:09 |
| pinback | sure | 03:09 |
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| pinback | waiting on it untarring now | 03:12 |
| xnt | untarring the ubuntu rootfs? | 03:12 |
| pinback | yup (wow - Thermaltake has a bluetooth mini mouse for $9.99 with free ship USA :-) | 03:13 |
| pinback | you think that will work in ubuntu n800? | 03:13 |
| xnt | well im not sure :P I run nitdroid, but I've tried ubuntu-n8x0, before. | 03:14 |
| pinback | nitdroid == android port? | 03:14 |
| xnt | well if the bt hid drivers work then it might work | 03:14 |
| pinback | ok its untarred | 03:14 |
| xnt | yea, nitdroid is an android 1.0 port | 03:14 |
| xnt | ok | 03:14 |
| pinback | Do I need to reflash before rebooting? | 03:14 |
| * xnt is going to the b-mans itt ubuntu post | 03:15 | |
| xnt | ok hold on a sec :) | 03:15 |
| xnt | is it me or is itt slow? | 03:15 |
| * pinback is itchign to reboot | 03:16 | |
| pinback | its u - fast for me | 03:16 |
| pinback | :-) | 03:16 |
| xnt | which image did you untar? | 03:18 |
| pinback | this one http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz | 03:19 |
| pinback | will I give it a whirl? | 03:20 |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 03:23 |
| pinback | hihihi | 03:23 |
| b-man | XD | 03:24 |
| xnt | b-man: am I missing something? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 are these the current instructions? | 03:24 |
| b-man | yes | 03:24 |
| b-man | but i'll be updating them soon | 03:25 |
| * pinback is going to try a quick reboot | 03:26 | |
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| pinback | still getting stuck in /sbin/init | 03:27 |
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| b-man | hmm :( | 03:28 |
| pinback | Im going to wipe the partition and untar again | 03:28 |
| b-man | pinback: i'd just wait for the new image | 03:28 |
| pinback | ok will do - one last try :-) | 03:29 |
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| b-man | :) | 03:29 |
| xnt | b-man: what is the easiest way to install ubuntu-n8x0 on a nokia n810 with 8gb sd? oh and with the tar image, does that mean that I don't have to create my own rootstrap? | 03:31 |
| * pinback is reformatting his ext3 partition | 03:32 | |
| b-man | xnt, partition and format it, and yes | 03:32 |
| xnt | nitdroid doesn't have good power managment, it drained my whole battery in my pocket :(, ill try nitdroid when it has suppourt for booting into maemo,mer,etc | 03:33 |
| xnt | so just partition, extract, and im good to go? | 03:33 |
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| pinback | busybox date uses a strange format to set the date/time: date -s MMDDHHMMYYYY | 03:35 |
| b-man | you'll need to configure it and install a desktop env ;) - but i'm recomending that you wait for the new image, it will be far easier to install :) | 03:35 |
| b-man | heh | 03:36 |
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| * b-man waches as the image reaches 12% upload completion - 1 hour, 20 minutes remaining... | 03:37 | |
| xnt | ok ill just reflash my nit to maemo diablo, and then ill install your new image | 03:37 |
| pinback | I see a post from someone on ITT having what might be the same problems as me: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264939&postcount=58 | 03:37 |
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| * pinback is going to check his Ubuntu /etc/fstab | 03:39 | |
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| * b-man is going to have a headache trying to awnser the questions that have accumulated in the ubuntu thread :P | 03:40 | |
| xnt | b-man: in one of your ubuntu screenshots, what screenlet is this? http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-6.png | 03:40 |
| xnt | b-man: ok I think I could help trying to answer some of them :) | 03:41 |
| b-man | thank you! | 03:42 |
| xnt | b-man: ubuntu-n8x0 has its own bootloader/recoverymenu | 03:42 |
| b-man | yup :) | 03:43 |
| b-man | artwork created by me :D | 03:43 |
| xnt | is it risky to install it? | 03:43 |
| xnt | nice artwork :) | 03:43 |
| b-man | thanks and no | 03:44 |
| * pinback just noticed b-man is uploading | 03:45 | |
| xnt | thanks | 03:45 |
| pinback | is that the new rootfs image? | 03:45 |
| xnt | b-man: whats the status on the new image? | 03:45 |
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| pinback | nah - stuck in "pivot root and starting /sbin/init..." :-( | 03:49 |
| pinback | whats it actually doing there? | 03:49 |
| pinback | is there a log someplace? | 03:49 |
| xnt | pinback:I thinks it hangs trying to start init, and it fails | 03:49 |
| pinback | could that be a problem with bootmenu.conf? | 03:50 |
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| xnt | maybe, init is the first process that linux starts pid 1 | 03:51 |
| z4chh | it is o_o | 03:51 |
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| * xnt is flashing the diablo kernel back to his n810, and disabling R&D mode | 03:56 | |
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| xnt | damn, can't wget the diablo image :( | 03:57 |
| pinback | ok giving up now - thanks for trying to help | 03:57 |
| pinback | whats the ETA for the new image? | 03:58 |
| xnt | pinback: I say wait for the new image, im waiting for it | 03:58 |
| b-man16 | pinback: like i said, wait for the new image ;) | 03:58 |
| xnt | wait are there two b-mans now? | 03:58 |
| pinback | he forked | 03:59 |
| xnt | oh ok | 03:59 |
| xnt | lol | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | my damn router crashed and i had to start over XP - 12 | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | % | 03:59 |
| xnt | damn :( | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | :( | 04:00 |
| xnt | firefox is slow with 700+ tabs open :P | 04:00 |
| Pavlov | lol | 04:00 |
| Pavlov | anything woudl be slow with 700+ tabs open | 04:00 |
| xnt | I know usually on any machine I have atleast 60 tabs open, I cant imagine my nit with 700 tabs | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | ? | 04:01 |
| * b-man16 only has two open | 04:01 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:01 |
| xnt | lol | 04:01 |
| pinback | nite - will try the new image when I see it on ITT - thx again ;-) | 04:02 |
| xnt | two? what is open in those tabs? | 04:02 |
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| xnt | pinback: bye | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | yup - FreeNode and #maemo | 04:02 |
| xnt | lol | 04:03 |
| xnt | ok diablo image done | 04:03 |
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| * b-man16 checks his contracts to pass the time | 04:04 | |
| b-man16 | 20% btw :) | 04:05 |
| xnt | b-man16: what irc client do you use anyways? | 04:05 |
| b-man16 | xchat | 04:06 |
| xnt | I sometimes I use pidgin, but I usually use irssi, ill try xchat | 04:06 |
| xnt | brb | 04:06 |
| z4chh | xchat ftw | 04:07 |
| z4chh | irssi is good to :) | 04:07 |
| b-man16 | it's a pritty good client :) | 04:07 |
| z4chh | i use pidgin for aim, msn, yahoo...it is great having it all in one, unlike winblows where you get aim client which comes with like 50 other spam apps | 04:10 |
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| IceFox3 | 30% done :) | 04:14 |
| z4chh | IceFox3, what's ya doing? | 04:14 |
| IceFox3 | uploading the new Ubuntu-n8x0 image :) | 04:15 |
| z4chh | oh good, i think ill install that this weekend! | 04:16 |
| * IceFox3 notices there acctually is an msn channel on FreeNode... lol | 04:16 | |
| IceFox3 | sweet :) | 04:16 |
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| IceFox3 | ....36% | 04:19 |
| IceFox3 | re: 37% | 04:20 |
| z4chh | night all, thanks for uploading IceFox3 <3 | 04:22 |
| IceFox3 | no problem :) c ya | 04:23 |
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| IceFox3 | 41% at 15.22kb/s, 00:49:26 est. minutes remaining btw | 04:25 |
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| IceFox3 | 43% | 04:25 |
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| xnt | yay! | 04:26 |
| xnt | im back | 04:26 |
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| IceFox3 | 44% :) | 04:27 |
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| IceFox3 | 45% | 04:27 |
| xnt | I think ill use pidgin+xchat on ubuntu, pidgin for gtalk/aim, and xchat for irc | 04:27 |
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| xnt | ok my nit's kernel is flashed, no im waiting for ubuntu :D | 04:29 |
| IceFox3 | :) | 04:29 |
| xnt | so far soo good :) | 04:30 |
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| IceFox3 | yup 50% | 04:31 |
| pinback | b-man how big is the ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz file? I see its @ 38Mb so far | 04:32 |
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| xnt | YAY! | 04:32 |
| xnt | I can't wait ! | 04:33 |
| Ice_Fox | lol | 04:33 |
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| Ice_Fox | 52% | 04:33 |
| Ice_Fox | pinback: somewhere between 100-150 mb - i'm guessing | 04:34 |
| pinback | 40Mb now - seems to be speeding up | 04:34 |
| xnt | :) | 04:34 |
| xnt | 100% (122496 of 122496 kB, avg. 7289 kB/s) | 04:34 |
| xnt | Finishing flashing... done | 04:34 |
| xnt | root@xs1:/dv/nit/flashing# | 04:34 |
| * pinback is formatting his ext3 partition in anticipation | 04:34 | |
| xnt | Flashed my nit to factory image | 04:35 |
| pinback | I recon I can start wgetting it soon then wget -c when/if it gets bigger | 04:35 |
| pinback | ok back to American idol for a bit... | 04:36 |
| xnt | It's bugging me with the operator wizard | 04:36 |
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| pinback | 42Mb... | 04:36 |
| Ice_Fox | lol | 04:36 |
| sidnei | where is it! | 04:36 |
| Ice_Fox | 57% | 04:37 |
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| xnt | Ice_Fox: How should my sd be partitioned? 2GB,Fat32 and 6GB, ext3? | 04:38 |
| Ice_Fox | re: 58% | 04:38 |
| Ice_Fox | shure | 04:38 |
| xnt | ok so then extract the tarball to ext3 then what? | 04:39 |
| Ice_Fox | 60% | 04:39 |
| Ice_Fox | run apt-get install sys-env-x and then install your desktop env | 04:40 |
| xnt | so boot it and then run the apt-get cmd | 04:41 |
| sidnei | Ice_Fox: where are you uploading to? | 04:41 |
| Ice_Fox | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/rootstrap | 04:42 |
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| Ice_Fox | 64% | 04:43 |
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| xnt | how do I merge partitions in gparted? *confused* | 04:44 |
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| pinback | 51Mb... | 04:46 |
| xnt | Ice_Fox: how much swap do I need? | 04:46 |
| xnt | 52MB | 04:47 |
| Ice_Fox | 258-365mb if your using a heavy desktop env like kde or gnome | 04:47 |
| Ice_Fox | 70% | 04:47 |
| * pinback has started downloading | 04:48 | |
| xnt | so Is 1GB enough for the system to run gnome and ubuntu fast :D | 04:48 |
| pinback | 400Kb/sec yay! | 04:48 |
| xnt | %#MB | 04:48 |
| xnt | i mean 53MB | 04:48 |
| xnt | pinback: what isp do you have? | 04:49 |
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| Ice_Fox | pinback: that slows down the upload | 04:49 |
| xnt | crap! I screwed up my sd, now I have to create a new partition table, (The Disadvantages of having an 8GB SD) | 04:50 |
| * Ice_Fox gets interupted by parents XP | 04:51 | |
| Ice_Fox | i'll be back | 04:52 |
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| * xnt 's Parents are telling him to go to sleep XP | 04:53 | |
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| xnt | 57MB | 04:53 |
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| xnt | still 57MB, I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on b-man's computer :( | 04:57 |
| xnt | or maybe its done :) | 04:57 |
| xnt | formating 5.41GB ext3 partition takes a long time | 05:00 |
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| xnt | 2.7MBPS downloading to see if its done yet | 05:03 |
| xnt | not done yet :( got an EOF | 05:03 |
| xnt | lets hope it will soon | 05:03 |
| xnt | pinback: did you stop the wget? | 05:04 |
| pinback | back now... sup? | 05:05 |
| pinback | 57Mb is that it? | 05:06 |
| xnt | yea, did you stop the wget | 05:06 |
| pinback | its stopped @ 55Mb | 05:06 |
| xnt | no, I just dled it | 05:06 |
| xnt | and I got an EOF when I tried to extract it | 05:06 |
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| pinback | I'll restart the wget to getthe rest | 05:06 |
| xnt | but I got 2.7MBPS | 05:06 |
| xnt | don't | 05:06 |
| pinback | ? | 05:07 |
| xnt | b-man said that if you dl it while its uploading it slows down the upload | 05:07 |
| pinback | it seems to have stopped @ 57Mb tho | 05:07 |
| xnt | but I got a fast connection and it downloaded in a few seconds, fios 5up/20down :D | 05:08 |
| xnt | right now its at 57mb | 05:08 |
| pinback | I got about 5secs of dling left | 05:08 |
| xnt | what isp do you have? | 05:08 |
| pinback | optimum basic | 05:08 |
| xnt | lol | 05:08 |
| pinback | works fine for most stuff | 05:09 |
| pinback | I use my neighbors wireless for any big downloads or torrents | 05:09 |
| xnt | yea, but optimum screwed me , they gave me phone, tv and internet, when I just ordered internet. :( | 05:09 |
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| xnt | now I have fios, but the router they give you sucks, I switched it for a modded linksys TM when the fios guy left :) | 05:11 |
| pinback | I have an old WRT54G flashed with DD-WRT that I use as a repeater bridge for far away wifi points | 05:11 |
| xnt | their router limits you to 3mbps, the router has powerful hardware, but I don't like the cap | 05:11 |
| xnt | WRT54TM is a WRT54GL with 32MB flash | 05:12 |
| pinback | Its still stuck @57Mb | 05:12 |
| xnt | I can flash anything to it, but you need jtag to flash it, t-mobile's fw check the md5 of fw files | 05:12 |
| xnt | wait | 05:13 |
| pinback | why are uploads so slow? | 05:13 |
| xnt | I don't know, but b-man got interupted by his parents XP | 05:13 |
| xnt | ok im getting bored | 05:14 |
| xnt | kill the wget | 05:14 |
| xnt | it makes the upload slower | 05:14 |
| pinback | Im not running wget right now | 05:14 |
| xnt | oh ok | 05:14 |
| xnt | lol | 05:14 |
| xnt | well I hope b-man's parents didn't pull the plug on his computer | 05:15 |
| pinback | doesnt he have other computers? I must have at least half a dozen | 05:16 |
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| xnt | Well I have an XPS 600 and a dreamhost account | 05:16 |
| pinback | Nice - I cant do web stuff because of job restrictions | 05:17 |
| xnt | go to http://xceleo.com/setup.html and yes I know that it looks bad on resolutions lower than 1600x1200, I wrote that site at 2AM | 05:17 |
| pinback | Im on 1920x1200 :-) | 05:18 |
| xnt | and My next update to my site will include fix for screen, NIT Section, And update to contact info | 05:19 |
| xnt | lol | 05:19 |
| xnt | im on 1600x1200 | 05:19 |
| xnt | brb | 05:19 |
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| xnt | still 57MB :( | 05:23 |
| xnt | damn, b-man isn't back | 05:24 |
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| * pinback only has 15mins before sleep time | 05:27 | |
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| xnt | Im Supposed to be asleep at 10:00 | 05:27 |
| pinback | I keep telling people that as well | 05:27 |
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| xnt | Now I have to shutoff my XPS, and go to sleep at 11:30 | 05:29 |
| xnt | :( | 05:29 |
| jaem | hey folks | 05:29 |
| xnt | jaem: hello | 05:29 |
| pinback | I may put my wget in a loop :-) | 05:29 |
| jaem | I just posted some N810 accessories for trade on itT, if anyone's interested | 05:30 |
| jaem | mostly brand new - I got a new N810, and don't need doubles of everything, and also have no expendable income | 05:30 |
| jaem | thus, trading sounds good | 05:30 |
| jaem | lol | 05:30 |
| xnt | jaem: b-man was uploading the ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 tarball, but he got interupted by his parents :(, now its stuck at 57MB | 05:30 |
| xnt | link? | 05:31 |
| jaem | aw man | 05:31 |
| jaem | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=272536#post272536 | 05:31 |
| xnt | thanks | 05:31 |
| pinback | The agents are probably raiding his house right now | 05:31 |
| jaem | as I said, it comes down to "I have it but I don't need it" and "I want it but I can't afford it", hopefully coinciding | 05:31 |
| jaem | ...I said that wrong | 05:31 |
| xnt | Firefox is slow with 1000 Tabs :( | 05:31 |
| jaem | I hope you are joking | 05:32 |
| pinback | I think I saw a black cat earlier | 05:32 |
| pinback | and my Ubuntu ext3 partition on my n800 mysteriously wouldnt boot | 05:32 |
| jaem | pinback: don't worry - I set your colour depth to 1b earlier, so it's quite likely harmless | 05:32 |
| jaem | I'm going offline, so if anyone's interested in the accessories, PM me as per the posting | 05:33 |
| jaem | cheers | 05:33 |
| xnt | I have a DIY OTG Kit (I made it my self :)) | 05:33 |
| pinback | true true - dont worry all is good, please continue to borrow and consume | 05:33 |
| jaem | xnt: I thought about doing that | 05:33 |
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| pinback | I made one as well - was pretty easy | 05:34 |
| xnt | jaem: its easy, I just took the usb dual connector for a motherboard and soldered the pins together. | 05:34 |
| pinback | got a mini-A to female-A and hacksawed the end - took about 30secs | 05:34 |
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| xnt | lol, Mine toook 23 Seconds | 05:35 |
| pinback | probably the FioS | 05:35 |
| xnt | ??? Im talking about the DIY USB OTG Adapter | 05:36 |
| pinback | I know - getting sleepy now | 05:36 |
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| pinback | nite all - back when I get my rootfs | 05:37 |
| pinback | thx for the help xnt | 05:37 |
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| xnt | well I have to go to sleep :(, I get up at 5AM, hopefully it would be up :), nite :) | 05:37 |
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| spectre | hello | 07:22 |
| spectre | anyone around? | 07:22 |
| spectre | got a problem with an n810 | 07:22 |
| johnx | hallo | 07:25 |
| spectre | ok | 07:25 |
| spectre | so my biggest problem is this constant reboot loop | 07:26 |
| spectre | it never boots successfully | 07:26 |
| spectre | maybe 5% of the time | 07:26 |
| spectre | normally it just goes into a boot loop where it crashes halfway through bootup | 07:26 |
| spectre | and reboots again | 07:26 |
| spectre | over and over | 07:26 |
| spectre | i've tried flashing the firmware (tried multiple versions as well) | 07:26 |
| johnx | what applications did you install since the last time it was able to boot successfully? | 07:26 |
| johnx | ah, nevermind | 07:26 |
| spectre | yeah, exactly | 07:26 |
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| spectre | and /var/log is empty so i can't trace the error cause in the way i normally would | 07:27 |
| johnx | and the firmware flashed successfully? | 07:27 |
| spectre | yeah | 07:27 |
| johnx | if you flashed it and it has problems still it's de facto a hardware problem | 07:27 |
| johnx | is it under warranty? | 07:27 |
| spectre | that's what i'm thinking | 07:27 |
| spectre | well, actually i got it from amazon -- wimax edition | 07:27 |
| spectre | guy sold as new but sent it as used | 07:27 |
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| johnx | ah, very rare :) | 07:28 |
| spectre | it already had custom repositories and there was handwriting in the manual | 07:28 |
| spectre | so i'm sure it's been bricked | 07:28 |
| spectre | he's sending me another one he claims is sealed | 07:28 |
| spectre | just wanted to see if i could fix this one | 07:28 |
| spectre | does maemo keep logs somewhere? | 07:29 |
| spectre | like where's the syslog file? | 07:29 |
| spectre | cause i can get it to boot ONCE IN A WHILE | 07:29 |
| spectre | and i'd love to be able to read logs | 07:29 |
| spectre | and find out wtf is going on | 07:29 |
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| spectre | can i enable logging on this thing somehow? | 07:35 |
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| luke-jr | spectre: yes | 07:37 |
| spectre | how!? :D | 07:37 |
| luke-jr | dunno, don't use xchat | 07:37 |
| spectre | not xchat | 07:37 |
| spectre | maemo on my n810 | 07:37 |
| luke-jr | o | 07:37 |
| luke-jr | let me know if you find out | 07:38 |
| spectre | :P | 07:38 |
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| luke-jr | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.shanzhaiji.cn/labs/20081219/6564.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0= | 07:42 |
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| luke-jr | :O | 07:42 |
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| spectre | lol | 07:43 |
| spectre | direct ripoff | 07:43 |
| spectre | <3 china | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | spectre: except it's a phone too? | 07:44 |
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| luke-jr | and has more controls from the looks of it | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | THat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the original | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | s/al/als/ | 07:44 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: THat's so awesome about the "ripoffs", they have better specs than the originals | 07:44 |
| spectre | yeah | 07:44 |
| spectre | i bought a phone in china for $200 like 4 years ago that had a touch-screen and handwriting recognition | 07:45 |
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| spectre | when shit like that here in the US was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | 07:45 |
| spectre | and brandy new | 07:45 |
| spectre | some generic brand but it worked great | 07:45 |
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| luke-jr | hum | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | wonder if I could get more $ for my N810 than I paid for it | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | XD | 07:47 |
| spectre | is it the wimax? | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:47 |
| spectre | ah | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | but I paid under $200 | 07:47 |
| spectre | ah that's a good deal | 07:47 |
| spectre | i'm pissed -- i hope this guy doesn't send me another refurbd wimax | 07:47 |
| spectre | i really don't want to have to buy the normal one | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | does he make you return the first one? | 07:48 |
| spectre | yeah i'm shipping it back tomorrow morning | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | aw | 07:48 |
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| Mousey | oh | 09:23 |
| Mousey | i have a request for the n900 | 09:23 |
| Mousey | SDXC!!!! | 09:23 |
| Mousey | thank you, that is all | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | anything but microsd.. i guess | 09:23 |
| Mousey | it can be microsd as long as it's microSDXC!! | 09:23 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 09:23 |
| Mousey | tho ya. i'd prefer full size SD | 09:24 |
| Mousey | and two of them | 09:24 |
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| Mousey | AND a hardware keyboard | 09:24 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 09:24 |
| Mousey | oh, and no gps, accelerometer and working 3d (drivers!) this time =) | 09:24 |
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| gomiam | Mousey: yup, two SD slots 4tw. That's one of the reasons I prefer N800 to N810 | 09:26 |
| Mousey | yes yes, i gladly sacrificed that for a hardware keyboard | 09:26 |
| * Mousey is having deja vu | 09:26 | |
| Mousey | i'm having this EXACT conversation in another window | 09:26 |
| slonopotamus | hehe. | 09:27 |
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| Mousey | what do you guyz think? looks legit | 09:31 |
| Mousey | http://tinyurl.com/cltpcn | 09:31 |
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| neatojones | For $80 dollars...i'd buy a spare normal battery | 09:33 |
| neatojones | or 4 | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | morning neatojones | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: you officially use the builder more than me :> | 09:34 |
| neatojones | ha... | 09:34 |
| neatojones | It's driving me crazy. | 09:34 |
| neatojones | Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get the chance to pass me up soon. :) | 09:34 |
| Mousey | if i had an external charger, i'd just get a regular spare battery | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morning meiz | 09:37 |
| neatojones | Stskeeps: Can you feed some caffeine to whatever is doing the native build of my package? It's killing me. | 09:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning Sts | 09:38 |
| neatojones | :) | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: e17 doesn't build natively? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | er, accelerated | 09:38 |
| neatojones | No, everytime it runs into problems with cpp somewhere | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 09:39 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 09:39 |
| neatojones | this is about the 5th or so time, I've tried it. It does native fine. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: it looks like it's going to finish soon though | 09:39 |
| neatojones | but, takes like 5 hours. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's a qemu instance | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | my beagleboard eats the SD cards. | 09:40 |
| neatojones | I'm just waitin on it to test e17. Hopefully, I've finally fixed the major bugs | 09:40 |
| neatojones | I'm also waiting on it to build a package with all of the major modules that make e17 fun to play with. | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to set a 20 minute timer and then i'll use it to build a internal 0.10 image | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | should be done then | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | any other stuff in queue for native? | 09:41 |
| neatojones | nope | 09:41 |
| * neatojones crosses fingers that he won't have to use it again. | 09:41 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:41 |
| neatojones | I can wait on the extra modules anyway | 09:41 |
| neatojones | just want to know all my work isn't in vain on the e17 build | 09:41 |
| neatojones | the right files got installed on my virtualbox, but i somehow botched the install. So, I have to start it over from scratch. | 09:42 |
| neatojones | Something between updating the kernel and additionalmodules package screwed up the xserver. | 09:43 |
| slonopotamus | neatojones, do not trust emulators :P they break in most mysterious ways | 09:43 |
| neatojones | I don't know much about virtualbox | 09:43 |
| neatojones | I know. but qemu breaks even easier | 09:44 |
| neatojones | ...i guess that's an emulator. | 09:44 |
| neatojones | doh | 09:44 |
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| neatojones | Stskeeps: Does the builder cache and wait to build anyway? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | it does queue, yes | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | so if you add a bunch of packages in right order it queues them | 09:47 |
| neatojones | ok. | 09:48 |
| neatojones | I noticed when I try to upload packages while it's building another, it once in a while crashes a build. | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, there's a race condition there :/ | 09:49 |
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| slonopotamus | ~date | 09:57 |
| infobot | It is now 2009.03.18 7:57:11 GMT | 09:57 |
| neatojones | ~date with sexy chick | 09:57 |
| infobot | you date with sexy chick | 09:57 |
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| Passeli_ | where can i find valgrind for diablo? | 10:25 |
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| inz | Passeli_, from the repo | 10:32 |
| inz | Passeli_, the repo being deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/tools free | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | x86-only though | 10:32 |
| inz | Yup | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | sadly | 10:32 |
| inz | I would do ppc too, but is no help for us | 10:33 |
| Passeli_ | yeah but i need to find armel version | 10:33 |
| inz | Passeli, then you'll need to code one | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Passeli_: doesn't exist, it doesn't build on armel | 10:34 |
| inz | Valgrind only supports x86, amd64 and ppc | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | that said, armel would be truely awesome :P | 10:34 |
| Passeli_ | ok, no wonder that i did not find it | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: pause builds for a sec, i'm cleaning out source trees | 10:36 |
| neatojones | sure | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | when a build fails it leaves the chroot for diagnosis so | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | k, go ahea | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | d | 10:38 |
| neatojones | It looks like I need to redo that last one anyway. | 10:38 |
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| neatojones | I'm probably gonna be done for a while. I need sleep. | 10:40 |
| neatojones | later. | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 10:40 |
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| darkblue_B | I have a python app that runs on an N800.. it uses python's sqlite for a datastore | 11:16 |
| darkblue_B | I am getting response times of 2-3 sec on a request | 11:16 |
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| darkblue_B | people talk about running open office other stuff.. but here is a small app.. that is pretty slow | 11:17 |
| darkblue_B | the response is served via http | 11:17 |
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| rmt | Can you access the internal memory card in the n810 via USB? | 11:44 |
| timeless | hello cruel world | 11:45 |
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| rmt | Thinking about how to repartition to have the entire thing as JFFS2. | 11:45 |
| timeless | rmt: sure, as long as it isn't in use | 11:45 |
| rmt | Hello cruel timeless. | 11:45 |
| timeless | both mmc1 and mmc2 are exposed by default over usb | 11:45 |
| timeless | so, i visited http://maemo.org/ and ... | 11:45 |
| timeless | it seems odd to me that there isn't a prominent item about the election on that page | 11:46 |
| rmt | Okay.. can you enlarge the jffs2 "partition" .. (I really need to learn exactly how jffs2 works) .. and figure out the maemo boot process and what's actually where.. | 11:46 |
| timeless | can someone please explain in plain English why there shouldn't be a prominent link to the election on that page | 11:46 |
| timeless | if you mean the default root partition | 11:46 |
| rmt | timeless: Not I. | 11:46 |
| rmt | Yes. | 11:46 |
| timeless | it's on an unrelated piece of hardware | 11:46 |
| rmt | Really? Okay, so 256mb is it for the root. | 11:47 |
| timeless | and it uses all the space available | 11:47 |
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| timeless | rmt: yep | 11:47 |
| timeless | better written 'rootfs' | 11:47 |
| rmt | I saw some comment where it sounded like they enlarged it. | 11:47 |
| timeless | not to be confused w/ the user 'root' | 11:47 |
| rmt | okay, rootfs is a filesystem? | 11:47 |
| timeless | which gets a tiny reservation | 11:47 |
| timeless | you can boot from an mmc | 11:48 |
| timeless | and most people who expect to run out of space on their rootfs should do that | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: internal SD card cannot have jffs | 11:48 |
| rmt | Was going to mount the mmc as /usr and have /usr/home as a quick fix.. | 11:48 |
| rmt | Stskeeps, thanks. ext3 it is, then. | 11:49 |
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| timeless | rather, there's no real reason to use jffs on something other than the internal flash | 11:49 |
| timeless | jffs2 is designed to do wear-leveling and certain other things | 11:49 |
| timeless | which are not necessary for normal media (the media do it themselves) | 11:50 |
| * Stskeeps is personally looking forward to ubifs. | 11:50 | |
| timeless | backport, please :) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | we might | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | think we're going to start putting out a mer kernel really - there's some really interesting patches now: RDNIS working, rotation, etc | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | i would love to have my tablet network properly with my xp like my 770 does :P | 11:51 |
| timeless | how's sound going? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | dependent on DSP tasks (afaik) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | i honestly haven't investigated it yet | 11:51 |
| * timeless grumbles | 11:52 | |
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| * timeless really doesn't like the way the vote was organized | 11:52 | |
| timeless | gah | 11:53 |
| timeless | incumbants aren't tagged? | 11:53 |
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| * timeless sighs | 11:54 | |
| timeless | such a terrible page layout | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | dear god, there's coming a macgyver movie | 11:55 |
| timeless | http://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_wiki:Current_events | 11:55 |
| timeless | doesn't exist | 11:55 |
| inz | Sts, is it going to have RDA? | 11:55 |
| rmt | Well, I think everything's a lot clearer now. :-) | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | inz: no clue, but that would be neat :P | 11:56 |
| inz | Sts, MacGyver is nothing without RDA and the mullet | 11:57 |
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| * timeless curses | 11:58 | |
| timeless | the lack of anchor higlight doesn't help | 11:58 |
| sefdsdfsdf | nothing a little chewing gum and a paperclip cant fix | 12:03 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, Is there any reason why I would want to keep the vfat filesystem on the internal sd card? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | make a 50mb fat partition, and rest ext3 | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | and there's maps on the internal sd card, so back them up | 12:10 |
| rmt | Done | 12:10 |
| rmt | Why the fat partition? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | keeps maemo from bitching | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:11 |
| rmt | Okay. :) | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | also it's handy once in a while | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Incumbents are Ryan, Tim and me. Agree with all of your comments above, BTW | 12:12 |
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| timeless | thanks | 12:34 |
| timeless | i eventually figured it out | 12:34 |
| timeless | but totally lame | 12:34 |
| timeless | i suppose i should file bugs | 12:35 |
| rmt | So, where is the kernel located on the N810? Some hidden place, only accessible by the flasher? | 12:35 |
| johnx | rmt, on a different partition of the NAND flash | 12:37 |
| rmt | Okey. onyl accessible by the flasher then, I guess. :) | 12:38 |
| johnx | should be able to dd it from /dev/mtdblockN where N is the right number ;) | 12:38 |
| johnx | you want to write it or read it? | 12:38 |
| rmt | Atm I'm just curious. :) It's dd'd directly there, then? | 12:39 |
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| rmt | And of course, when booting from the sd card, where the kernel is then.. (of course I'm probably just a screenful away from that on this wiki page) | 12:40 |
| _berto_ | rmt: flasher --unpack | 12:40 |
| * timeless grumbles | 12:40 | |
| timeless | jaffa? | 12:40 |
| timeless | is there any reason someone couldn't run a test election for me? | 12:40 |
| johnx | rmt, honestly I don't know if you could successfully dd it, but you could use the onboard flasher or the PC flasher | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: kernel is in flash, always | 12:41 |
| johnx | morning | 12:41 |
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| * johnx plans how best to live out of a suitcase for the next two weeks | 12:42 | |
| Stskeeps | tablet, charger, toothbrush, shirts and underwear, and toothpaste. | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:42 |
| johnx | and just throw away the rest of my clothes? :P | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:43 |
| rmt | Stskeeps, socks! always have a clean pair of socks! | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, socks, forgot that part | 12:43 |
| johnx | ah, well that changes everything :P | 12:44 |
| * rmt notices that socks tend to take up a disproportional amount of space in any travel bag.. summer's nice.. no socks necessary! :) | 12:44 | |
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| rmt | johnx, also, don't forget plane/train tickets and passport (even if you're staying within the country, you never know when you'll need to flee) | 12:45 |
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| sphenxes | i have written very simple programs in c++ using g++ and linux. I would like to transfer these programs to a Nokia smartphone. my question: 1. which Nokia series works with linux? 2. how can I transfer my g++ program to the smartphone? | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Dunno, dneary's the one to ask. It could confuse if it shows up on the front page | 12:49 |
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| AStorm | sphenxes, tried scratchbox already? | 12:50 |
| AStorm | you have to package your app as for debian | 12:50 |
| AStorm | then build the package in scratchbox | 12:50 |
| sphenxes | Astrom, no i have not tried scratchbox | 12:51 |
| AStorm | that's the best way | 12:51 |
| sphenxes | AStorm, thanks | 12:51 |
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| dneary | Hi there | 12:52 |
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| dneary | Someone called? | 12:52 |
| dneary | timeless, Jaffa: Yes? | 12:53 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: timeless asking about test elections | 12:55 |
| dneary | timeless: How can I be of service? | 12:55 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 12:57 |
| thresh | grr, still no pidging 2.5.5 :( | 12:57 |
| thresh | -g | 12:58 |
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| lardman | grr, bloody windows, reboot time | 12:59 |
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| rmt | Hmm.. are there any motion unlock type apps for maemo? Like for android's lock screen? | 13:07 |
| johnx | "motion" unlock? you mean that rely on an accelerometer? | 13:08 |
| rmt | I'd like to have some applications be partially secured, but not bother with real security (of course, it could be used for weak encryption) | 13:08 |
| rmt | No | 13:08 |
| rmt | I mean like drawing a figure on the screen | 13:08 |
| johnx | ah, not that I know of | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | rmt: there's an app which locks the screen if the light sensor gets covered... oh | 13:08 |
| rmt | Android has a 9x9 setup, you go to each of them in a particular order and it unlocks. | 13:08 |
| johnx | and one that unlocks when the keyboard is pulled out (IIRC) | 13:08 |
| rmt | This sounds like a fun app, then. :-) | 13:08 |
| * johnx has an N800 though | 13:09 | |
| rmt | Two images and some screen coordinates.. the app can return true or false on the cmdline. :) | 13:10 |
| lcuk | rmt, do not give the users a simulated security experience, if you are gonna do it make sure it can actually lock the screen and not unlock until re-entered. i dont think linux has a "gine.dll" equiv thou | 13:12 |
| lcuk | bad security is worse than no security | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: you can probably hack something up with powerlaunch.. | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: it's pretty easy on Maemo to open a window which the user can't get behind | 13:12 |
| lcuk | jaffa, i can draw on the screenith it locked in liqbase. the xsp library does not honour x11.. | 13:13 |
| rmt | lcuk, I'm thinking of it as a simple frontend to personal menu .. but it could probably work as a general purpose locking app too. | 13:13 |
| lcuk | freaked me out the first time i tried it :D | 13:14 |
| rmt | But powerlaunch looks interesting. | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: if you can come up with a better event-based language than powerlaunch, you're more than welcome | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | it's brillaint but the syntax is rotten | 13:14 |
| lcuk | yeah rmt, we *do* need something, (i dconsidered it a while ago) but it does need to actually lockup | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:14 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, :-) | 13:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, c has just as crappy syntax ;) | 13:15 |
| * lcuk was gonna do fingerprint detection on the touchscreen | 13:15 | |
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| dneary | timeless: Just reading your bugs | 13:24 |
| dneary | Interesting to get your take on the election process | 13:24 |
| dneary | (it differs from my Irish experiences, by the way) | 13:25 |
| dneary | lcuk: ): Unexpected token on line 1 | 13:25 |
| lcuk | ? | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | dneary, which token/app? | 13:33 |
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| xntbot | morning | 13:40 |
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| xnt | sorry damn, my irc clients screwing up :( | 13:40 |
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| xnt | jaem: hi | 13:42 |
| jaem_N810 | hey! | 13:42 |
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| xnt | b-mans tarball is only at 70MB now :( | 13:42 |
| jaem_N810 | I couldn't sleep... good thing my N810 is literally always within arm's reach | 13:42 |
| jaem_N810 | ouch | 13:43 |
| xnt | still got an eof | 13:43 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: ping! | 13:43 |
| xnt | I think b-mans router/gftp crasher | 13:43 |
| xnt | I mean crashed | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: pong | 13:43 |
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| jaem_N810 | any chance HAM in Mer is going to let me mark multiple apps for installation at once? | 13:44 |
| jaem_N810 | that's my biggest annoyance | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, we're going to upgrade it to fremantle basis soon | 13:44 |
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| xnt | Stskeeps: its going to be in 0.11? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, maybe | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | depends if anyone does anything about it :) | 13:45 |
| xnt | :) | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | the red ones need some loving | 13:46 |
| xnt | ok Im still bored, Im going to install the Fremantle SDK :) | 13:46 |
| rmt | The maemovmware image contains the SB2 based setup? | 13:46 |
| * xnt is clicking the link :) | 13:46 | |
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| xnt | damn, those are a lot of packages | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | every single of those we have adapted | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | in hand | 13:48 |
| timelE61i | dNeary.. :) | 13:49 |
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| timelE61i | Sorry, i got distracted | 13:49 |
| timelE61i | Gah | 13:49 |
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| Meiz_n810 | jaem_N810: at least adept lets you install more than one apps at once :) | 13:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | but adept is slOwWW | 13:50 |
| jaem_N810 | bleh @ adept | 13:50 |
| jaem_N810 | Shaman's where it's at | 13:50 |
| jaem_N810 | yay Arch | 13:50 |
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| * jaem_N810 stopped being a fan of apt after he tried pacman | 13:50 | |
| Stskeeps | xnt: ideally all packages should be blue, green or lime :P | 13:51 |
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| timelE61i | cOlor coded? | 13:52 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: Well how hard is it to adapt those packages? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: fairly easy, but it takes about 20 minutes per package | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | at least | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: meaning sharing same version root with female, same package version or ahead of fremantle SDK | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | female=fremantle.. | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:53 |
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| jaem_N810 | okay - if I can get a decent wifi signal at the other campus, I'll try to do some between classes, Sts | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: alright, just prod me anytime | 13:53 |
| jaem_N810 | sure | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27241&page=4 pretty much explains it | 13:53 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: well im in the 8th grade, So I have lots of free time after I finish my Homework, I Can help you adapt packages :) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | it's also completely boring work, a hint of autism helps. :P | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | (i know from myself.) | 13:54 |
| jaem_N810 | I'll probably be installing the SDK in a VM on my friend's server | 13:54 |
| jaem_N810 | and uni wifi stinks at the other campus | 13:55 |
| jaem_N810 | so we'll see how it goes | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: mm, you can basically do this on a ubuntu box really, building problems we'll take care of when it is patched | 13:55 |
| jaem_N810 | I don't have an *buntu box atm | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:55 |
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| jaem_N810 | I run Arch on all three, currently | 13:55 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: We don't have wifi at my school :( | 13:56 |
| jaem_N810 | well, except for the SPARCStation and the old 4MHz Epson laptop :P | 13:56 |
| AStorm | xnt, they you should get a data plan... too expensive? ;P | 13:56 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: will the SDK work on CP/M? XD | 13:57 |
| jaem_N810 | or Solaris? | 13:57 |
| jaem_N810 | hehe | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: doubt it, anyway, we don't really have a sdk, but we have a root fs you can chroot into really | 13:58 |
| jaem_N810 | I may need to get higher capacity tapes for my laptop | 13:58 |
| xnt | AStorm: well my parents won't let me get a plan based service, Im stuck to Prepaid, until im 18, then I have to pay of it myself, but Next Year, Ill sneak a fon router into school :) | 13:58 |
| jaem_N810 | man... compiling on a 4MHz Z80 will be a drag :P | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: trust me, prepaid is a good thing until you gain financial responsibility and sense | 13:59 |
| xnt | jaem_N810:P | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps ran up a huge bill. | 13:59 | |
| xnt | stskeeps:ok | 13:59 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, even better is flatrate | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: we got flatrate ISDN as some of the first in the country cos of the too big usage.. | 14:00 |
| * xnt wants a t-mobile prepaid flexpay plan to tether with his n810) | 14:00 | |
| AStorm | like prepaid, but less hassle - of course you need stable income | 14:00 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: alternatively, if you wanted to be a complete jerk (and break the law), you could find someone with a "compatible" phone, and run up a huge bill on that | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | and was first adaptors to adsl as well :P | 14:00 |
| AStorm | and/or enough buffer | 14:00 |
| jaem_N810 | but that would just be bad | 14:00 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: beware of fon router at school, IT departments are notoriously horrible with claiming students are "hacking" .. | 14:01 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: lol | 14:01 |
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| jaem_N810 | that's true - I've heard horror stories | 14:01 |
| AStorm | yeah | 14:01 |
| jaem_N810 | my IT dept was one guy, and he knew what "hacking" actually means | 14:01 |
| AStorm | people are stupid - e.g. don't enable secure bluetooth | 14:01 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: My tech teacher lets up play games/etc at lunch, so I can put it in his room :) | 14:01 |
| jaem_N810 | so he was cool | 14:01 |
| AStorm | (ask before accepting) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: yeah, but FON is technically also a commercial venture (bill type), so you can get in even bigger shitstorm | 14:02 |
| AStorm | still, abusing network connection might be not good anyway | 14:02 |
| AStorm | I recommend just asking them to set up wifi in a bunch of places | 14:02 |
| xnt | Stskeeps:well Ill mod the fon with openwrt :) | 14:02 |
| jaem_N810 | AStorm, well, the trouble is more the ones that are *supposed* to ask, but don't - the "compatible" ones I was referring to | 14:03 |
| AStorm | our did it in a few | 14:03 |
| AStorm | gets quite good coverage | 14:03 |
| AStorm | *got | 14:03 |
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| jaem_N810 | xnt: if you're getting a Fon anyway, you could always offer to pay for an AP or two for them | 14:03 |
| AStorm | bonus points for that wifi being WPA2-PSK | 14:03 |
| jaem_N810 | um what | 14:04 |
| AStorm | jaem_N810, you broke the topic | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: and then there's the whole issue that the MAC of fonera being trackable back to you :) | 14:04 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns and looks at some article | 14:04 | |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:04 |
| jaem_N810 | AStorm: the input glitched for a second, and I must have mistyped in the intervening time | 14:05 |
| jaem_N810 | sorry | 14:05 |
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| xnt | Stskeeps ok, how about a linux livecd that looks like windows, and a usb wifi card in Master mode :) | 14:05 |
| jaem_N810 | what is the command for that? looking at my history, I'm not quite sure what I did | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: probably clicking the topic field | 14:06 |
| lcuk | xnt, do you need a pony as well? | 14:06 |
| AStorm | xnt, short range | 14:06 |
| jaem_N810 | lcuk: if it helps boost the signal | 14:06 |
| xnt | lcuck: lol, no | 14:06 |
| AStorm | the cards get hundred meters at best | 14:06 |
| AStorm | even good access points don't go above that | 14:06 |
| * jaem_N810 slaps wlan cards in every third box | 14:06 | |
| AStorm | I suspect if you went and funded them a few access points and outlined the cabling, they'd bite ;P | 14:07 |
| lcuk | well the pony wouldnt be much use, but you could use the metal can it comes in as a waveguide i suppose :P | 14:07 |
| AStorm | no, you can't | 14:07 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: ah. as I said, the input went crazy for a second - I'll blame it on Maemo | 14:07 |
| lcuk | and how do you know, have you got a wifi pony? | 14:08 |
| AStorm | you'd need an actual parabolic antenna | 14:08 |
| xnt | All I want is Internet on my NIT at school. | 14:08 |
| lcuk | yeah cos a pringles can is a parabolic | 14:08 |
| AStorm | lcuk, isn't and doesn't work well with microwaves | 14:08 |
| * xnt pokes the pony, then runs | 14:08 | |
| * RST38h yawns | 14:08 | |
| AStorm | it'd destroy the range | 14:08 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:08 |
| RST38h | EHLO, AStorm,lcuk,jaem | 14:08 |
| jaem_N810 | http://www.google.com/search?q=wifi+pony | 14:08 |
| AStorm | RST38h, 200 OK | 14:08 |
| lcuk | cool! i didnt know our nokias supported microwave | 14:09 |
| xnt | RST38h: hello | 14:09 |
| jaem_N810 | hey RST38h | 14:09 |
| jaem_N810 | lcuk: yes, but they're a bit underpowered for pizza pockets | 14:09 |
| jaem_N810 | ;) | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | i always thought they missed a trick my not using a desktop cpu in the n810. you could use the slideout keyboard as a griddle for bacon | 14:10 |
| AStorm | lcuk, OTOH, a plate covered with aluminum foil worked very well ;P (smooth foil) | 14:10 |
| xnt | lcuk:some cops are stupid, they banned pringles antennas | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | thats cos they look like guns | 14:10 |
| jaem_N810 | lcuk: my retinas started smoking before I could turn down the backlight | 14:10 |
| lcuk | ju are the terrorist | 14:10 |
| RST38h | xnt: what for? | 14:10 |
| RST38h | was there a clear reason stated? | 14:11 |
| johnx | mmm...chipstar > pringles | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | "rocket propelled crunchy snacks | 14:11 |
| RST38h | heya johnx | 14:11 |
| xnt | RST38h: well I forgot :P | 14:11 |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 14:11 |
| AStorm | did I mention you could use an actual dinner plate instead? ;P | 14:11 |
| * xnt is Googling | 14:11 | |
| RST38h | Astorm: or a cereal bowl, sans cereal | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | wouldnt you spill the milk | 14:12 |
| lcuk | when you aimed it | 14:12 |
| AStorm | bowl is too deep and not close enough to parabolic | 14:12 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You would have to rotate the bowl at exactly the right speed | 14:12 |
| xnt | RST38h: http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/25/wifi-cantennas-now-illegal/ | 14:12 |
| lcuk | depends where the focal point is | 14:12 |
| AStorm | it's usually inside the bowl ;P | 14:12 |
| AStorm | (as they're deep) | 14:12 |
| lcuk | if cantennas are illegal, only criminals will eat pringles | 14:13 |
| RST38h | unsophisticated but reliable, and it's illegal to possess them | 14:13 |
| RST38h | xnt: I guess the PD is welcome to bring this to court | 14:13 |
| RST38h | xnt: and see its colective uniformed ass whipped | 14:13 |
| AStorm | lcuk, that and party people ;P | 14:14 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, point me a easy package just to try your intructions :) | 14:14 |
| xnt | RST38h: :) | 14:14 |
| AStorm | RST38h, it is legal to possess any antenna | 14:14 |
| lcuk | perhaps they think pringles cans are a gateway drug to bigger obesity problems | 14:14 |
| RST38h | AStorm: This depends on the country | 14:14 |
| AStorm | although it's illegal to transmit data over it | 14:14 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:15 |
| jaem_N810 | AStorm: what about orbital weapons satellites? | 14:15 |
| AStorm | because it's not FCC-certified | 14:15 |
| lcuk | the school using the word illegal is not the same as having a law | 14:15 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Also, while you can posess it, installing it is usually a matter of regulations | 14:15 |
| AStorm | only that | 14:15 |
| AStorm | yep | 14:15 |
| RST38h | AStorm: I suggest you try and install a 100m long wire antenna =) | 14:15 |
| lcuk | this is sounding like pupl fiction | 14:15 |
| lcuk | pulp | 14:15 |
| RST38h | AStorm: You can choose any country you want for that, US or PL and see what happends | 14:15 |
| AStorm | RST38h, sure, why not, I can install a remote microwave gun too | 14:16 |
| AStorm | EU | 14:16 |
| RST38h | (none of this applies to pringles antennas of course :)) | 14:16 |
| AStorm | 100m long is too long ;P | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Ok, make it 80m, exactly 1/2 of 160m band | 14:16 |
| AStorm | I mean, I'd need permission or would have to own the land it's on | 14:16 |
| AStorm | hahaha, I see where you're getting | 14:17 |
| AStorm | I can have any antenna | 14:17 |
| RST38h | AStorm: My guess is that even if you install it on your own land in US, you would eventually get problems :) | 14:17 |
| AStorm | I can't transmit with it | 14:17 |
| RST38h | AStorm: essentially correct | 14:17 |
| AStorm | obviously our control team would go and check up on me | 14:17 |
| AStorm | to see if I transmit anything | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: libhildonmime maybe | 14:17 |
| AStorm | still, 2.4 GHz is free spectrum | 14:18 |
| AStorm | so as long as I don't exceed allowed power, it should be fine | 14:18 |
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| johnx | (in the US) so long as you comply with the FCC regulations | 14:18 |
| AStorm | oh, and don't interfere with other equipment | 14:18 |
| AStorm | yep | 14:18 |
| jaem_N810 | what about those guys that were throwing bluetooth >1mile | 14:18 |
| AStorm | and antennas don't need FCC approval | 14:18 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: or simpler yet, osso-gnomevfs-extra :P | 14:19 |
| AStorm | transmitters do | 14:19 |
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| jaem_N810 | this reminds me of my old laptop | 14:19 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, you should put in the wiki some common places to grabe the pages :) | 14:19 |
| AStorm | bluetooth won't ever reach 1 mile | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah, sec | 14:19 |
| VDVsx | *packages | 14:19 |
| lcuk | course it will | 14:19 |
| AStorm | unless you're living on a flat desert | 14:19 |
| AStorm | it's max 100 mW | 14:20 |
| jaem_N810 | stupid HP, locking the BIOS to only accept recoded wlan cards sold for 3x the price | 14:20 |
| AStorm | and absorbed by most substances, esp. water vapor | 14:20 |
| AStorm | it's microwave after all ;P | 14:20 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: Same here, but I modded my card show up as the whitelisted card :) | 14:20 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: I would have, but the 3945s have provisions to prevent that :( | 14:21 |
| jaem_N810 | I couldn't find a hack for it | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: added | 14:22 |
| jaem_N810 | and the standard methods wouldn't work with the driver | 14:22 |
| AStorm | soldering iron and eeprom programmer always works | 14:22 |
| jaem_N810 | well, true | 14:22 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:22 |
| jaem_N810 | but that wasn't worth it to me at the time | 14:22 |
| AStorm | heck, you don't even probably need to unsolder that chip | 14:22 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, and your ITT instructions should be handy in this page too :) | 14:22 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: that was when I had a laptop, lol | 14:22 |
| jaem_N810 | AStorm: see second-latest post on http://ffejery.creativemisconfiguration.com | 14:23 |
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| jaem_N810 | anyhow, I'm going to see if I can get some sleep, now | 14:24 |
| jaem_N810 | g'night | 14:24 |
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| AStorm | haha | 14:25 |
| AStorm | not even *that* expensive | 14:26 |
| AStorm | EEPROM programmers are cheap | 14:26 |
| AStorm | heck, you can build one yourself | 14:26 |
| AStorm | though I'd need an USB/RS-232 dongle to make that work ;P | 14:26 |
| jaem_N810_afk | yeah, but I didn't have the time to mess around with it | 14:26 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I wish I had, though | 14:26 |
| jaem_N810_afk | oh well - that laptop's long gone anyhow | 14:26 |
| AStorm | ah, and you'd need an image of the original card EEPROM ;P or at least the PCI ID | 14:27 |
| AStorm | haha | 14:27 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I sold it and bought an N810 and a 24" LCD | 14:27 |
| jaem_N810_afk | then a cheapo desktop | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: updated | 14:28 |
| xnt | I gave my old laptop to my cousin | 14:28 |
| jaem_N810_afk | acquired a PIV box, and scored a free laptop | 14:28 |
| jaem_N810_afk | so I'm set | 14:28 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, :) | 14:28 |
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| AStorm | btw, id I owned most of that hardware he outlines later, I'd build my own devices | 14:28 |
| AStorm | better and w/o annoyances ;P | 14:28 |
| xnt | maybe ill buy a system76 | 14:28 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | AStorm: that who outlines? | 14:29 |
| * xnt is installing scratchbox | 14:29 | |
| * xnt is late for school | 14:30 | |
| xnt | crap! | 14:30 |
| AStorm | the guy of the blog | 14:30 |
| jaem_N810_afk | oh | 14:30 |
| jaem_N810_afk | that would be me | 14:30 |
| xnt | ok see ya all later!, Ill try to get on irc at school! | 14:30 |
| AStorm | ah, didn't make the link ;P different nick | 14:30 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I didn't catch what you meant the first time | 14:31 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | yeah - my normal nick was taken, and its origins are kind of stupid (from back in the day), albeit not obviously so | 14:31 |
| AStorm | btw, does anyone have a spare Xilinx or Altera FPGA card lying around? :P | 14:32 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I know someone who does, but I don't think he'd give it up :P | 14:32 |
| AStorm | boohoo | 14:32 |
| jaem_N810_afk | he got a few things like that free from his old job | 14:32 |
| jaem_N810_afk | lucky | 14:32 |
| AStorm | I'll probably have to steal^Wborrow one from our labs | 14:32 |
| jaem_N810_afk | haha | 14:32 |
| AStorm | the basic set is $800 or something | 14:33 |
| AStorm | or was it $1000 | 14:33 |
| jaem_N810_afk | the only thing we're allowed to steal/borrow is resistors and wire | 14:33 |
| jaem_N810_afk | if you're in 4th year, they might loan you some MCUs | 14:33 |
| AStorm | haha, we have better arrangements | 14:33 |
| jaem_N810_afk | they're pretty stingy | 14:33 |
| AStorm | there's a rule against taking out scopes | 14:33 |
| RST38h | "The weapon's ammunition initially appeared to be human-like teeth; DNA testing of the "bullets" results in no known match in any species known on Earth." | 14:34 |
| AStorm | after a few didn't make it back ;P | 14:34 |
| jaem_N810_afk | we had to talk them into even letting us use the scopes, in first year | 14:34 |
| AStorm | RST38h, huhwha? | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | "The weapon does not seem capable of reproduction at this time (scans showed no apparent reproductive organs) and requires no sustenance beyond water, calcium, and protein." | 14:34 |
| AStorm | jaem_N810_afk, hehe, fortunately, our old HP scopes have excellent protection | 14:34 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | RST38h: I don't want to know where you keep getting these from, but what is the nature of the site? | 14:34 |
| AStorm | the worst that happened was a blown secondary fuse once | 14:35 |
| jaem_N810_afk | AStorm: we have slightly old Tektronix digital scopes, mostly | 14:35 |
| RST38h | jaem: It is kind of a wiki where people submit "scientific reports" of various otherwordly objects | 14:35 |
| jaem_N810_afk | oh my | 14:35 |
| RST38h | jaem: Who thing is made to look like an Xiles database | 14:35 |
| AStorm | usually circuit breaker works well enough ;P | 14:35 |
| RST38h | XFiles | 14:35 |
| jaem_N810_afk | AStorm: at least, in the main lab | 14:35 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | they also block ssh in that lab | 14:35 |
| RST38h | jaem: This one was http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-127 | 14:35 |
| AStorm | RST38h, sounds fun ;P | 14:36 |
| AStorm | if it's serious, the guys are certainly... crazy | 14:36 |
| AStorm | hahahaha | 14:36 |
| RST38h | AStorm: prolly no more serious than uncyclopedia but crazy to the bone =) | 14:36 |
| AStorm | ok, this is going to be good ;P | 14:37 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | apparently because people were tunneling through the schools' file server (which has a darn fast connection) from that lab, so IT told them to block it :( | 14:37 |
| jaem_N810_afk | stupid... | 14:37 |
| jaem_N810_afk | and pointless, as it still works over the wifi | 14:37 |
| jaem_N810_afk | and every other lab | 14:37 |
| AStorm | heh | 14:37 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I'm not sure how they're doing it yet, but it's not something simple, like killing port 22 | 14:38 |
| jaem_N810_afk | more's the pity | 14:38 |
| AStorm | I probably had my shell account locked down... or had password changed and forgot it (unlikely - my passwords are schematic) | 14:38 |
| jaem_N810_afk | my uni uses Solaris on the file server | 14:39 |
| AStorm | jaem_N810_afk, it' probably that + host check | 14:39 |
| jaem_N810_afk | with Csh - blech | 14:39 |
| jaem_N810_afk | my .cshrc contains one line | 14:39 |
| jaem_N810_afk | /bin/bash | 14:39 |
| jaem_N810_afk | hehe | 14:39 |
| AStorm | ok, I've to go to the another lab, this one with pointless cards made by the people who made Matlab | 14:39 |
| AStorm | what was it called ;P | 14:39 |
| jaem_N810_afk | have fun :P | 14:40 |
| AStorm | right, SimuLink | 14:40 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2 in the old databook collection | 14:40 |
| jaem_N810_afk | lol | 14:40 |
| jaem_N810_afk | 4x 5-1/4" floppies | 14:41 |
| jaem_N810_afk | they said I could have them if I wanted | 14:41 |
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| AStorm | just some small cpu hooked up to ADCs, DACs, bunch of other IO pins, 4 timers and ;P RS-232 | 14:41 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I may go and pick them up later today, and take a look at it, for laughs | 14:41 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I'll have to see if my 5-1/4" drive-in-a-box-somewheres still works | 14:42 |
| jaem_N810_afk | and remember, folks - don't put your floppies in upside down - the bits will fall out and jam the drive | 14:43 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | great.... it's 6am, and I barely slept :( | 14:50 |
| jaem_N810_afk | I'll be back in an hour or so | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo wazd | 15:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hey( | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | any progress on icons? :) | 15:27 |
| * mgedmin stumbles upon http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27613 | 15:30 | |
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| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: about IRC logs, I'm certainly available for consultations, but I wouldn't say it's up to me to move them to maemo.org | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | first, I don't have root there (heh) | 15:31 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly why last.fm has dished up with "R2-D2 We Wish You a Merry Christmas" | 15:31 | |
| mgedmin | second, if the logs are there it makes sense for the bot to live there too | 15:31 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: :) | 15:34 |
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| ilovemistakes | hi all. is there a separate channel for maemo developers? i have a question about sdk and gconf =) | 15:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm very sorry, I had totally no time until now( | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | best place is here i guess, or maemo-developers | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, it's fine, there were code problems in 0.10 too so we skipped it | 15:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I was really overloaded with work( | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | it didn't want to boot whatsoever the whole monday :) | 15:37 |
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| wazd | But I had much time to think) | 15:38 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/smartq-5-mid-scores-itself-ubuntu-a-ridiculously-low-price-tag/ | 15:39 |
| ilovemistakes | well.. i use maemo-sdk+, xephyr starts, hildon starts, i am able to run my app inside emulator. but it cannot connect to gconf. it seems like gconf is not running. /var/log/ on target root is empty. where to dig? | 15:39 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: 132$, jesus | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: but yes, that should run Mer :P | 15:40 |
| wazd | Who needs Ubuntu when you have Mer :D | 15:40 |
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| wazd | I saw 3.0 iPhone release and realized that manufacturers became too lazy | 15:41 |
| wazd | Palm Pre too | 15:42 |
| * aquatix wondered why it took 3 versions to get search into the iphone | 15:42 | |
| wazd | Some basic stuff is presented to people as something extraordinary | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11#Component:_User_interface_.28artwork.29 - want to take mentorship of this component and mark out directions and what needs to be done for Mer in the user interface (visual, not code) department? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | so people come to you and use you as a mentor for what needs to be done | 15:43 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: sure) | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | because i'm horridly unimaginative in that area | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: k, page changed | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's your responsibility to keep that part of the sprint pages updated with status and such and who does what, and to manage people wanting to help out in that area :P | 15:46 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ok) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: otherwise, the layout actually functions quite nicely on tablet | 15:48 |
| jaem_N810_afk | hey wazd | 15:49 |
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| jaem_N810 | wazd: I haven't seen any other MIDs running LXDE... | 15:51 |
| jaem_N810 | that's interesting | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | except for n8x0 ;) | 15:51 |
| jaem_N810 | I meant stock | 15:51 |
| jaem_N810 | I personally like that Intel concept MID with the really wiiiiiiiiiide form factor | 15:52 |
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| jaem_N810 | as much as I'm not a fan of soft-keyboards, the slide-out action on that was pretty shiny | 15:53 |
| * aquatix rather likes the Vaio P | 15:53 | |
| aquatix | damn expensive though | 15:53 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah, and it's Sony | 15:53 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:53 |
| * mgedmin wants to see the slide out action | 15:53 | |
| jaem_N810 | which is something I've been wondering... | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | any urls to movies? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm also starting to be a big fan of the magic X | 15:54 |
| jaem_N810 | given how evil Sony is, why do they like Linux so much? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i can switch to home very quickly and close / switch | 15:54 |
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| jaem_N810 | mgedmin: see the Engadget post | 15:54 |
| jaem_N810 | I don't have a link handy | 15:54 |
| jaem_N810 | it's on itT somewheres | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and it lays comfortably in the top right corner, so my fingertip fits :P | 15:54 |
| * mgedmin tries to google Engadget | 15:54 | |
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| rm_you | jott? jott :( | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-liberty-mer.png | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | (there's a hidden menu button there too.) | 15:58 |
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| * lcuk ponders why menus and task switchers arent at the bottom | 16:07 | |
| lcuk | its so hard to reach with 810 | 16:07 |
| * lcuk has to stretch a finger ALL the way up the screen :P | 16:08 | |
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| mmatth | how do you register an app to handle a certain mime type? i'm particularly interested in registering an app so that it'll handle files of a certain mime type opened by osso_mime_open_file_with_mime_type ? | 16:13 |
| mmatth | if this is not the right channel for this question, can someone please let me know which channel to ask on? | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | mmatth: it's the right channel. Have a look at the freedesktop.org specs for it - I believe that's the manner in which it's done | 16:13 |
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| mmatth | ok, thanks. i'll look around there. | 16:17 |
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| jaem_N810 | bye | 16:21 |
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| wazd | lcuk: cause there are app controls on the bottom) | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | wazd, you are right of course :) | 16:27 |
| lcuk | hi btw | 16:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: hey) | 16:28 |
| rmt | http://dpaste.com/hold/16011/ .. super simple false security .. not at all sleek like google's unlock screen. | 16:35 |
| lcuk | rmt :D excellent | 16:38 |
| lardman | derf: ping | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | rmt, show your app and press+hold the menu button | 16:40 |
| lcuk | you need to hook properly into the lock screen stuff (not sure how ..) | 16:40 |
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| rmt | gotta run now.. catch you all later. | 16:44 |
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| Sho_ | Guys, I'm wondering, is there a trick to incorporate the old Opera engine from ITOS2007 into ITOS2008? | 16:49 |
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| Jaffa | Sho_: Not that I know of | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | rmt: mmm, vala | 16:49 |
| Sho_ | Hm, shame. Gecko and WebKit are obviously much more modern, but the Opera engine was just so much faster, particularly with regard to responsiveness during load. | 16:50 |
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| * rm_you <3 Opera | 17:00 | |
| * Myrtti loves her n800 | 17:00 | |
| rm_you | I wanted to do that too... supposedly there was a way to hack the old opera files in, but not sure if it still works | 17:01 |
| rm_you | someone had a project | 17:01 |
| rm_you | on the forum | 17:01 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: :) | 17:01 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: what's your favorite Yarn? :P | 17:01 |
| rm_you | just curious | 17:01 |
| * rm_you has fallen in love with Malabrigo Worsted | 17:02 | |
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| Myrtti | rm_you: I usually use Finnish handdyed ones | 17:04 |
| rm_you | ooo | 17:04 |
| rm_you | pure wool? | 17:04 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | 17:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: first shot) | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: 90 wool, 10 silk, 140tex | 17:05 |
| rm_you | which kind of sheep? :P | 17:05 |
| rm_you | do you have photos on your ravelry page? | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Slick! | 17:06 |
| Myrtti | Finnish ingenious organic lambs :-) | 17:06 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:06 |
| rm_you | soft? | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | wazd: nice | 17:06 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: yeah, the green Linden is of that | 17:06 |
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| Myrtti | and yes, very, very soft | 17:06 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 17:06 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, how long are you in the uk for this time? | 17:06 |
| Myrtti | also 7€/50g | 17:07 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: you tell me, haven't bought a ticket back yet | 17:07 |
| rm_you | you don't use stash? >_> | 17:07 |
| lcuk | :) and i hope you never have to | 17:07 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: if I started to photograph my about 200l stash of yarn, I'd be taking pictures next year | 17:07 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:07 |
| rm_you | well, you could start on some of it :P | 17:07 |
| rm_you | is there somewhere online I can buy said yarn? | 17:08 |
| Myrtti | I guess I could take photos of my current unspun project | 17:08 |
| lcuk | isnt that a sheep | 17:08 |
| Myrtti | http://utuna.fi/tuotelk.php For orders in English please send me an email: kerttu MEAOW utuna.fi | 17:09 |
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| thopiekar | who of you is familar with extras assistant? | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: I ;) | 17:11 |
| lardman | where's derf when you want him I wonder...? | 17:11 |
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| thopiekar | btw where is jere..? | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: Hasn't replied to me today, so probably not here.. | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, saw him on the mailing list a bit ago | 17:14 |
| lcuk | i think hes hiding from irc ;) | 17:14 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: please explain me why the i386 build fails at the second link.. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/x11proto-xf86vidmode_2.2.2-5maemo1/ https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/x11proto-xf86vidmode_2.2.2-5maemo2/ .. I just have changed the architecture from all to any.. | 17:14 |
| thopiekar | lcuk: think so, too :P | 17:14 |
| Khertan | HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! | 17:15 |
| thopiekar | guten tag, Khertan :P | 17:15 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: is that lace yarn? | 17:16 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: yes. | 17:16 |
| lardman | hi Khertan | 17:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: dpkg-genchanges fails. | 17:16 |
| Myrtti | they do have others with similar concistency | 17:16 |
| * rm_you just had to figure out what TEX meant | 17:16 | |
| Myrtti | s/they/she/ | 17:16 |
| Khertan | http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5716/screenshot18.png <<< yes it s maemo 4 ;) | 17:16 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: she do have others with similar concistency | 17:16 |
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| Myrtti | that almost made sense | 17:16 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: do you know why? | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: You can try to run it in your own scratchbox to see what happens? | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | Probably because it can't find any info for i386? | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | As it says "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | So now to find out why it doesn't generate a files list. | 17:18 |
| thopiekar | the same.. but why didn't failed the first build? | 17:18 |
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| rm_you | Myrtti: do they make anything like.... Worsted? :P | 17:18 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade: the same happens when building it on i386-Diablo but there are no differences in the two archs i think.. i386 hasn't failed before and now it's possible to build armel but not i386.. this isn't very logical for me.. | 17:21 |
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| x29a_ | bam | 17:21 |
| Khertan | shlack ! | 17:21 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade: have you read my message? | 17:23 |
| * thopiekar hates it when kornbluth.freenode.net is spamming.. | 17:24 | |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade: I need this package for mesa>glut>freeglut>ghostscript>graphviz.. I know there is already a graphviz package on extras-devel but the install conflicts with libtool.. | 17:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, well, what I mean is the final decision is yours. ;) | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, you've been providing this service for an awful long time and if you don't want to move to maemo.org, I'm certainly not gonna pre-empt you. ;) | 17:33 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 17:34 |
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| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: that's exactly my point -- it's not my decision | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | there's no monopoly on IRC logs | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | anybody can collect them and publish them | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | I'd like the logs to live on maemo.org | 17:35 |
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| mgedmin | but I don't have to be the one moving them | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | in fact I can't be the one moving them, since I have no admin access to maemo.org | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: We can set something up. | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, but my point wasn't a technical one. ;) | 17:36 |
| lcuk2 | then we should give you some access :) | 17:36 |
| * mgedmin never says no to root access :-) | 17:36 | |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: aha - you're there, see reply to "maintenance break" email about possible favourites breakage | 17:36 |
| lcuk2 | mgedmin, you have no monopoly but you have history and are an implicit part of maemo | 17:36 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: ^ | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: and my point is that you don't need *my* permission if you want to set up logs elsewhere | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | I won't mind, really! | 17:37 |
| * lcuk2 said as much at the summit :) | 17:37 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I talking more about synching really ;) | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: It'd require your co-operation to move the bot, copy the historic logs, put in a redirect etc though | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | And asking's just plain good ol' etiket. | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: I have no idea, we'd need to discuss it with Jeremiah. | 17:37 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: have you read my messages above? | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, I noticed that. Looking into it. | 17:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles has a Mini 9 to pick up from the office. FedEx didn't even attempt to delivery it. . . . | 17:38 | |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: k | 17:38 |
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| lardman | I didn't realise you were still waiting! | 17:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I feel like I'm getting entrenched on that title thread for no reason. | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Probably found the problem, patching now. | 17:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So I guess Intel's also using an "n-series" badge. | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | badge? | 17:49 |
| faso | Hi guys...I was trying to install debootstrap but it would just not install on n810 ...it says broken packages...My question is can I use my x86 box to debootstrap to the sd-card ..inorder to get jaunty on n810 | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | did you try out mer? it will grab all the stuff you need to do it | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1385/965816563_9ded2880c4.jpg | 17:50 |
| faso | stskeeps: u mean add mer to the repository? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | faso: no, just grab the .install for mer and it will grab the stuff :P | 17:51 |
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| faso | can u point me to that .install ? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.install | 17:52 |
| faso | ok Thanks...I will try this | 17:52 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: I tried again to build that package in verbose mode and it has worked on my sb1.x86.diablo, but not on mea.. | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: too many channels? ;) | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep, I started out on IRC as a one channel person ;) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: fair enough | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | (still am if I'm being true to myself) | 17:55 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: now getting Error: d is undefined | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Source File: http://static.maemo.org/jQuery/jquery-1.2.6.js | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Line: 11 | 17:57 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, the problem is somewhere else. I'm sitting next to bergie and we're trying to fix it ;) | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool :) | 17:59 |
| Khertan | Do you think that an gmail checker applet with a preview of unread mail in navigator instead of contact will interest someone ? | 17:59 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: One of the advantages of being in .fi atm ;) | 17:59 |
| Khertan | (i ask to know if i lost some of my time coding a pref interface to put password and login) | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: i.e. instead of the "Contact" plugin being second in Task Navigator? | 18:00 |
| Khertan | yep | 18:00 |
| Khertan | or elsewhere ... | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | it use gmail unread http atom feed to avoid blocking isp proxy .... | 18:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How do I change the font rendering settings in Ubuntu? | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: sounds good | 18:01 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts IIRC | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, got it, thanks Jaffa. | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: got your mini? | 18:02 |
| Khertan | jaffa > http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5716/screenshot18.png | 18:02 |
| z4chh | 3 hours until GSOC org list is out! | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, oh, that's hot. | 18:02 |
| Khertan | it could also change the position of some layout | 18:02 |
| z4chh | go maemo go! w00t w00t | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, poking at it as we speak. | 18:02 |
| * z4chh does the happy dance | 18:02 | |
| Khertan | it s a feature not a bug | 18:02 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: hmm, what have you played around with? | 18:02 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, right ;-) | 18:02 |
| faso | stskeeps, it says "Unable to install merinstaller. Some application packages required for the installation are missing." | 18:03 |
| faso | Stskeeps, I dont have dependencies for merinstaller | 18:03 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: flood the maemo-launcher with a stupid overloading a changing icon every millisecond navigator applet | 18:03 |
| Khertan | +and | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: O_o | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any chance of two-finger scrolling? | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | stskeep ... it s a feature not a bug ... | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | i ve forgotten that gobject.timeout_add() is in millisecond ... and not minute | 18:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:05 |
| faso | stskeeps: the application missing is libssl0.9.8(>=0.9.8e-1) ..Where can I find this package? Any clue ? | 18:06 |
| z4chh | Khertan, that is a huge time difference ;p | 18:06 |
| Khertan | z4chh: specially when you change an icon in maemo-launcher and do a queue_draw | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | faso: at this point i'd just reflash and try again.. | 18:07 |
| Razumihin | Can i somehow disable the javascript security warning on file:// documents? | 18:07 |
| Razumihin | It's pretty annoying while using js software that write on the device locally. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | maybe there was a trick in the thread on tiddlywiki(?) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | on itt | 18:09 |
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| Razumihin | Yeah tiddlywiki :) | 18:09 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: ooh. | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | excuse me for a second while i'm licking my screen. | 18:12 |
| * qwerty12 passes Stskeeps the tissues | 18:12 | |
| wazd | :) | 18:12 |
| z4chh | Stskeeps, are you hungry or something? | 18:12 |
| z4chh | >.< | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | z4chh: look at the jpg. | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | schweet | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | that's ... | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | wicked | 18:13 |
| Razumihin | Stskeeps: If you happen to remember some url/something drop a query, now i have to leave from the cafe ;) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: and this would work properly in 16-bit? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | (i can't see bpp info so) | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: would you be able to put elements into a svg theme template maybe? think i can add the various icons into some pixel positions | 18:23 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it looks pretty same on the tablet | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: am i odd for not understanding fully the theme templates? :) | 18:25 |
| aquatix | wazd: that looks lickable | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, how do we proceed? maybe we can continue on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout , seperate into different things like "background when button active" "background when button not active" and such | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | and associate the artwork with svg files so we can start making theme based on it | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | svg/png | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | then in the end we can feed it into a theme template and then we have our new ui :) | 18:30 |
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| wazd | In fact, UI and theme should be developed simulatenously) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i have most of the code already to get it ticking | 18:31 |
| wazd | cause it will give the freedom for both developer and designer :) | 18:32 |
| wazd | I've found my early Maemo 5 mockups on PC :) | 18:32 |
| Shadow__X | yay | 18:33 |
| wazd | http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/0903/dc/d5d59797f630.png <- copypaste :) | 18:33 |
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| Shadow__X | and i found that anything other than desktop shouldnt have write permission | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, if you can give me some pngs of the 3 (4, with the x's in the menu) icons in the mockup, i can start seeing what things we need done to make the theme work and support for | 18:34 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm on it :) | 18:35 |
| wazd | http://s53.radikal.ru/i142/0903/43/63877d0cf5a6.png <- finger friendly hildon menu) | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | and maybe the marquee gradient too | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, interesting | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | the fact you use darkened background is interesting as maemo5 actually ended up doing that :P | 18:36 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: and that's lame | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | anyone tried http://florence.sourceforge.net/? is it usable on tablet? | 18:36 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: cause Maemo guys ended up with what I've started :( | 18:37 |
| GAN800 | GNOME XChat seems ridiculously broken | 18:37 |
| Shadow__X | wazd, get the usb lazer keyboard | 18:38 |
| wazd | Shadow__X: for what?) | 18:38 |
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| Shadow__X | http://www.amazon.com/Celluon-CL800BT-Laser-Projection-Keyboard/dp/B000ESNE8S | 18:39 |
| Shadow__X | for maemo | 18:39 |
| GAN800 | That thing is the worst | 18:39 |
| mib_duhzot | even after adding extras and extras-devel, why cannot i see packages as part of those repositories. say rootsh or wget? | 18:39 |
| wazd | Here in russia we have "Lutch" (Beam) brand for that stuff :) | 18:40 |
| Shadow__X | GAN800, that thing doesnt work well | 18:41 |
| Shadow__X | i wanted to try one | 18:41 |
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| Shadow__X | see how it worked how i could break its ability | 18:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Mer icon: http://s51.radikal.ru/i133/0903/7d/f77074ef093e.png (it's there :D ) | 18:41 |
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| wazd | Application menu icon: http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0903/ca/21d1a72a64f5.png | 18:44 |
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| wazd | Magic close: http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/0903/84/e7c91bfbf9ce.png | 18:46 |
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| thresh | wazd: а ты пиджин используешь? | 18:47 |
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| slonopotamus | omg | 18:48 |
| slonopotamus | Ы | 18:48 |
| wazd | Better PM in russian :) | 18:48 |
| wazd | To be fair) | 18:48 |
| thresh | :) | 18:48 |
| wazd | thresh: yep, I use Pidgin and yes, ICQ doesn't work now for me( | 18:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Close: http://i013.radikal.ru/0903/e1/5c85d73dcb42.png | 18:49 |
| thresh | grr | 18:49 |
| wazd | It asks for newer version | 18:49 |
| thresh | i know. i wonder why there is no updates. | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | would it break diablo when I rebuild upstart from fremantle? | 18:50 |
| thresh | s/is/are/ | 18:50 |
| infobot | thresh meant: i know. i wonder why there are no updates. | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Fennec b1 is faster, but still too damn slow. | 18:51 |
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| wazd | http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/ Second video clearly shows, where Fennec took it's design xD | 18:52 |
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| thopiekar | why is fremantle'S pulseaudio using upstart? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | because? :P | 18:53 |
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| timelE61i | fremantle uses upstart | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot01.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png | 18:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that was fast xD | 18:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: why icons are smaller? | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: just put the icons in, the hard work i'll do together with zenvoid | 18:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: right now they are definitely not 48x48 :) | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: hmm. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | the marquee is 52pixel high | 18:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: they are like 32x32 | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 18:58 |
| wazd | http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png | 18:58 |
| wazd | See the difference) | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, you're right | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | must have a bug somewheere | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | the status bar icons are 48 px though, right? | 18:59 |
| wazd | 40x40 | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in mine on http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | the pc icon | 19:01 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 19:04 |
| wazd | http://i029.radikal.ru/0903/e8/c8d0adbabd43.png <- 40x40 statusbar icon | 19:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: moo :) | 19:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: sorry, hadn't time to continue work on skins, will begin tomorrow) | 19:06 |
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| Shadow__X | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211351 | 19:11 |
| Shadow__X | n810 worthy? | 19:11 |
| Shadow__X | its class 6 | 19:11 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: should the app's menu have a cutout (perhaps on both sides) to be closer to the maemo and hardware versions? | 19:13 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: it has, it's just thin | 19:15 |
| timelE61i | sts? What app is in the screen shot? | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | Really? All the bars of the gradient look the same width to my old eyes (on your first mockup of the new skin, anyway) | 19:15 |
| wazd | Jaffa: If I correctly cot what you're talking bout :P | 19:15 |
| timelE61i | "via" should be lowercase | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: maemopad | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | no idea which l10n it uses though | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | wazd: I think you call it "application menu icon" (which I avoided for being too similar to "applications menu icon" - which in mer is the mer logo | 19:16 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: oh, no I'm not :) | 19:16 |
| * timelE61i grumbles | 19:17 | |
| wazd | Jaffa: well, it can be whatever you want :) | 19:18 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I just wanted it not to be a total copy of maemo one :) | 19:18 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: you're the designer, zenvoid & Stskeeps are doing the theme - far above my layer that ;-) | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | actually i'm doing code, :P | 19:19 |
| timelE61i | sts: bug 4066 closed fixed | 19:19 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Well, who cares bout the design that nobody likes?)) | 19:19 |
| timelE61i | Can you please figure out why it's broken in your picture? | 19:19 |
| wazd | Jaffa: so feedback of ordinary user is very important | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | wazd: true, I like to think so :) | 19:20 |
| wazd | Jaffa: It's very difficult for me to see my work from the side | 19:20 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I usually just stare and wait for something) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: simple, it's an old version | 19:20 |
| timelE61i | uPgrade :) | 19:21 |
| wazd | Jaffa: Or I make a statement "Ok, my work is crap" and try to figre out why it's crap :) | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, who's ready to help shoot down another Java client for #maemo suggestion? ;) | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | Show 'em fuzzybunny's logs. Should be enough. | 19:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, good point. | 19:42 |
| glass | anyone with brain can use java.freenode.net anyhow? | 19:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can't get this Mini 9 to unsuspend. . . . | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i thought the unwashed masses was the people in here, fwiw .. ;P | 19:47 |
| RST38h | General: "Yes" for JavaScript, absolute "No" for Java | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: black screen of death? ;) | 19:51 |
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| timelE61i | mini 9? | 19:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, Dell, just got it today. Hopefully tiding me over until the next tablet is released. :( | 19:52 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: perhaps if it was limited to *just* those who have logged in, a web IRC interface wouldn't be *too* bad | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, better than anonymous anybody | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have to figure out a clean way to deal with nick collisions, though. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | if you limit it to talk.maemo.org users that can be recognized and publically humiliated.. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, my shoulder doesn't want to play nice today. | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw, it could even be set in their real name | 19:55 |
| timelE61i | what's wrong w/ mibbit? | 19:56 |
| timelE61i | Do we really need a minimal contained java client? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does anybody have any requests for the new repository.maemo.org index page? | 19:56 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Just auto append suffices | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade/bergie: how's the favourites JavaScript issue? | 19:58 |
| timelE61i | jAffa: which is that? | 20:00 |
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| timelE61i | Gan: could you offer sources.list and .install files :) | 20:01 |
| timelE61i | Also, i think i'd rather things be grouped by release not class | 20:02 |
| timelE61i | Having to jump to three sections to get diablo+sdk+extras | 20:02 |
| * thopiekar wonders why there are more and more repos on gronmayer, because he remembers that there was a plan of maemo.org to get all apps into maemo.org's repos.. | 20:02 | |
| timelE61i | No sane person wants extras / sdks for multiple releases at the beginning | 20:03 |
| timelE61i | Thopiekar: wishes ... Reality | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: prod | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | timelE61i: :| | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, well, most of the core stuff has moved. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: they claim emails about GSoC is going out atm :P | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even Fennec's in Extras now. | 20:05 |
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| VDVsx | we got accepted :) | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | woo! | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | any specifics on allocations or whatever? | 20:06 |
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| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: I think I should surrender these repos by removing them from my sources.. | 20:07 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, .installs were at the top of my list. | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | Hello again | 20:08 |
| Khertan_mibbit | does it s just my feeling or task navigator applet aren t threaded ? | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, only 150 out of 400 get accepted | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, nice! | 20:09 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | so they freeze maemo-launcher while doing stuff | 20:09 |
| timelE61i | khertan: tasknavigator is a single process gtk app | 20:10 |
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| timelE61i | Gtk apps are typically single thread locked/owns ui | 20:10 |
| Khertan_mibbit | hum strange idea | 20:10 |
| timelE61i | So.... Unless someone doesn't follow guidelines, they cooperate and share one thread | 20:10 |
| Khertan_mibbit | so you can t switch application | 20:11 |
| timelE61i | Please file bugs when they don't share nicely w/ the other little children | 20:11 |
| Khertan_mibbit | or open a new one | 20:11 |
| timelE61i | Also, iirc tasknav tends to toss up system modal ui elements | 20:11 |
| * Khertan_mibbit will notify Khertan that his task applet isn t smart | 20:12 | |
| timelE61i | These are mostly design "features" | 20:12 |
| Khertan_mibbit | :) | 20:12 |
| timelE61i | So, don't bother filing bugs | 20:12 |
| thopiekar | is it possible to make deb packages on the device? | 20:12 |
| thopiekar | dpkg-dev is not installable.. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg-deb, but you don't want to go down that dark alley | 20:12 |
| timelE61i | The alternative is the gomeapplet system where vm reqs for just them are unbearable | 20:12 |
| timelE61i | Thopiekar: it's possible | 20:13 |
| Khertan_mibbit | yep but i found that it s strange design 'feature' | 20:13 |
| timelE61i | Or you could use ar+tar ;) | 20:13 |
| Khertan_mibbit | say if i m wrong | 20:13 |
| Khertan_mibbit | i m doing a gmail unread mail checker | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: even darker allery | 20:13 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: I need it for one deb.. | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | -r | 20:13 |
| Khertan_mibbit | which launch a thread | 20:13 |
| thopiekar | libcrack :P | 20:13 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | to retrieve an atom feed | 20:13 |
| Khertan_mibbit | and once done this process update the icon | 20:14 |
| timelE61i | khertan: glib has some event system idle-loop-add or something | 20:14 |
| thopiekar | apt-get can't find dpkg-deb | 20:14 |
| Khertan_mibbit | thopiekar: look at py2deb or pypackager on wiki.maemo.org | 20:14 |
| timelE61i | You're supposed to proccess in pieces | 20:14 |
| timelE61i | Personally, i'd request you not do net io from the main thread | 20:14 |
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| thopiekar | Khertan_mibbit: are these packagers acting like dpkg-buildpackage? | 20:15 |
| Khertan_mibbit | timelE61i: this is why i launch a thread | 20:15 |
| timelE61i | Heck, if the processing of the data could be expensive, don't do that from main either :) | 20:15 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | thopiekar not really as dpkg-buildpackage can t run on nit | 20:15 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | and processing is done in the thread too | 20:15 |
| Khertan_mibbit | this why i don t understand why i got hang | 20:16 |
| Khertan_mibbit | sometimes | 20:16 |
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| thopiekar | the problem on sb1 is that the app xmlto can't get up a internet-connection.. | 20:16 |
| timelE61i | anyway, the alternative of processes is very ram expensive | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | thats why a builds fails on sb1 | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: verify your /etc/resolv.conf and such in sb1 | 20:16 |
| timelE61i | And would have meant you couldn't run apps on a 770 | 20:16 |
| Khertan_mibbit | thopiekar: py2deb build a deb source package ready to be submitted to autobuilder | 20:17 |
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| Khertan_mibbit | timelE61i: maybe but hildonlauncher binding isn t available anyway on 770 | 20:18 |
| Khertan_mibbit | nor hildondesktop | 20:18 |
| Khertan_mibbit | for python | 20:18 |
| Khertan_mibbit | at least if they don t run under a HE2008 | 20:18 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: is it needed to restart sb1? | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | by a command or just restarting the shell | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | ? | 20:19 |
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| timelE61i | ? | 20:20 |
| Khertan_mibbit | other question how to listen that the nit just got a connection, using dbus ? | 20:20 |
| Khertan_mibbit | does it s possible in python ? | 20:21 |
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| timelE61i | khertan: microb's open source code has code for that | 20:22 |
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| qwerty12 | Khertan_mibbit, find the connected string on CONNECTED com.nokia.icd.status_changed | 20:23 |
| Khertan_mibbit | question 3 : Does someone here have tryed mCalendar 0.5.0 ? if yes, what do you think about it ? | 20:23 |
| Khertan_mibbit | any dbus tutorial with python url somewhere ? | 20:24 |
| Khertan_mibbit | :) | 20:24 |
| Khertan_mibbit | or sample code ? | 20:24 |
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| timelE61i | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaconnectivity.c | 20:26 |
| timelE61i | Is the microb code | 20:26 |
| romullo | hello | 20:26 |
| timelE61i | It isn't too bad | 20:26 |
| thopiekar | romullo: hi | 20:26 |
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| romullo | there is a place where i can see the maemo GSoC ideas or something like that? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 | 20:26 |
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| romullo | lcuk thank you :) | 20:27 |
| * lcuk was just wondering if it had been updated | 20:27 | |
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| mib_21zrh5 | sorry peer kill me | 20:27 |
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| Khertan | 'hiya lcuk ! | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | it's kinda funny to watch #gsoc atm | 20:29 |
| lcuk | hi there khertan, you are spending too much time in mibbit, get a client :P | 20:29 |
| lcuk | shame you cant have mIRC ;) | 20:29 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: it looks like it working now.. thank you.. Is MEA configured like that, too? | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, chaos? | 20:30 |
| wazd | Jaffa is pretty excited with his buttons :D | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: imagine people who got told their country have been skipped for free RX-51's | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:31 |
| lcuk | i think the gsoc idea at first was ingenious and a cheap way to get new project ideas | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: curious, on http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg , when it's marked, do you mean the current process? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | or moving cursor when going down with dpad | 20:33 |
| timelE61i | Khertan: http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/search?string=status_changed&find=%5C.py | 20:33 |
| lcuk | wazd, his bright nice clean easy to understand buttons? | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, have you considered dropping the icon glow? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | the icon glow is nice | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it reduces contrast and hurts visibility. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad for blind old people. | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: these parts should (thank god) be themeable :) | 20:35 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, I don't know exactly how magic close works but in my variaant yes, it's the current process :) | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | wazd: VDVsx reused my bttons, honest. | 20:35 |
| wazd | Jaffa: :) | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu repos are slow. . . . | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: also, any reason for no home logo? | 20:36 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, glowing adds some underwater flavour I think) | 20:36 |
| * lcuk has a jaffa button widget | 20:36 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: no, just lazy to cut it out :) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, okay, thought it was interesting nevertheless | 20:37 |
| lcuk | wazd? magic close? you been on the mushrooms? | 20:37 |
| Jaffa | thopiekar: another option for building source packages is mud-builder. For example, to build a Maemo-compatible deb of a single Vala source file, complete with applications' menu integration and icons took about 6 files: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/?root=mud-builder (and three of them are icons) | 20:37 |
| * lcuk has never heard of magic close | 20:37 | |
| wazd | lcuk: acid :) | 20:37 |
| lcuk | we get asked at work to add magic buttons to our applications | 20:37 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, I think the screenshot describes it in basics :) | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it's the old switcher button that comes out when you have too many applications open | 20:38 |
| lcuk | "i need a button to do blah blah blah when i click it and im busy, and do blah blah blah when im using it in a different way" | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's an experiment, and is actually quite nice using in practice | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: this time around it comes out when apps > 0 | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i dont think ive ever had enough apps | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | and functions as a close app menu as well as switch-to-home and task-switcher | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | is there a screenie of the default maemo one | 20:39 |
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| thopiekar | Jaffa: the thing is that I allways want to test my debs before uploading them... | 20:39 |
| wazd | Btw, thanks everyone who helped me with A2DP, it works like a charm) | 20:39 |
| thopiekar | I hope that jeremaid will be here soon.. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png | 20:39 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, and your buttons are now in GSoC :P | 20:40 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, accepted? | 20:40 |
| thopiekar | there is a package (graphviz) which conflicts with libtool when installing one of them and I'm unable to build a i386 package on mea.. | 20:40 |
| VDVsx | yup | 20:40 |
| lcuk | which bits | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the one that comes up in bottom left that you can also click home from and close other apps? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | it functions really nicely up in the corner | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | i liked it in the bottom left :$ | 20:42 |
| lcuk | i like the icon replacement thingy - its a bit abstract but its certainly nicer | 20:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: is it possible to make hildon menu like this? http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/0903/d6/10ab2b78c863.png | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i guess so but that's going to take some time | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a bigger menu though. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | the current one is not so nice touch wise | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: menu button really needs to be bigger, doesn't it? | 20:46 |
| mikkov__ | thopiekar: graphviz doesn't work because somebody uploaded binaries in source Ãpackage | 20:47 |
| thopiekar | yes mikkov__ that what I noticed too.. | 20:47 |
| thopiekar | I wasn't beleaving it so I contacted the manitainer.. | 20:48 |
| thopiekar | and its true :P | 20:48 |
| thopiekar | there is a folder called graphvizsrc.. but there a still bins in it.. | 20:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Mer or hildon? | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: hildon | 20:48 |
| joyrider | is it possible to forcibly remove a package using apt ? i tried to create a script that would run after uninstallation but it doesn't really work and doesn't want to uninstall anymore | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | as in, on my scrshot | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png | 20:49 |
| thopiekar | I want to build a stable and older version of ubuntu into extras.. so I have to talk about that with jeremaid.. | 20:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, 52x52 is large enough I think | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | it just doesn't feel too right when touching | 20:50 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I actually don't use hildon menu much, don't know bout the otheres | 20:50 |
| wazd | others* | 20:50 |
| wazd | bbiab | 20:50 |
| * thopiekar needs to solve that problem before rebuilding all other dependences of mixxx, what he wants to build and maybe make his first porting job with it.. | 20:51 | |
| thopiekar | but now I'm wasting my time with building pulseaudio of ubuntu, because fremantle's is almost working with upstart.. | 20:51 |
| thopiekar | and I don't know how diablo would react with it.. | 20:52 |
| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 20:52 |
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| lardman | derf: ping | 20:53 |
| Jaffa | lardman: semi-pomg | 20:54 |
| derf | lardman: Pong. | 20:54 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I can't see a way I'm afraid | 20:54 |
| Jaffa | (with baby, one armed and dinner's on) | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | Fairenuf | 20:55 |
| lardman | derf: Do you happen to have a QR-code test binary up somewhere that I can link to? http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27508 | 20:55 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Sorry | 20:55 |
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| derf | Give me a minute. | 20:56 |
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| lardman | np | 20:57 |
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| lardman | ~lart Octave C++ build errors | 21:00 |
| * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Octave C++ build errors | 21:00 | |
| lardman | in fact ~lart GCC 3.x | 21:00 |
| derf | You can't build the code with GCC 3.x. | 21:01 |
| derf | It trips multiple compiler bugs. | 21:01 |
| lardman | yeah, just noticed that | 21:01 |
| derf | Do you want a version that dumps all kinds of fun debugging images, or just the decoded text? | 21:02 |
| lardman | probably just the text, but anything will do I think | 21:03 |
| lardman | for someone to try out, etc. | 21:03 |
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| lardman | QR codes have locator blocks don't they? | 21:03 |
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| derf | They have "finder patterns", if that's what you mean. | 21:04 |
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| lardman | yeah | 21:04 |
| lardman | how much work has to be done to find those? | 21:05 |
| derf | Depends on how reliably you want to actually detect them. | 21:05 |
| lardman | thinking of some quick identifier code to decide which proper decoder to call first, etc | 21:05 |
| derf | Well, a typical QR code image has lots of bits which _look_ like they might be finder patterns. | 21:06 |
| derf | And... for some reason this binary is segfaulting when the x86 one did not. | 21:06 |
| derf | Well, reverting to current svn still does, so it's not a new regression anyway. | 21:09 |
| * timelE61i runs out of battery | 21:09 | |
| derf | Only happens on ~a dozen images out of 200. | 21:09 |
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| derf | I don't have time to track it down right now, but I can hand you the binary as-is. | 21:09 |
| derf | http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/tmp/qrreader | 21:11 |
| lardman | ok cool, will pass that on | 21:11 |
| derf | Note that that's for PNG input only, and unless you have a version of iconv that supports SJIS (and maybe CP437), you'll have trouble decoding codes with data in those character sets. | 21:12 |
| lardman | ok | 21:12 |
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| derf | (it'll still produce output, just not converted to UTF-8) | 21:12 |
| lardman | ok | 21:12 |
| derf | Oh, I remember what this segfault is. | 21:13 |
| derf | libpng on the tablets is borken. | 21:13 |
| Proteous | stupid ping | 21:13 |
| rmt | Okey.. now I'm going to try setting up an NFS based chroot build environment. :-) | 21:13 |
| Proteous | png | 21:13 |
| lardman | hmm, is that a known bug? | 21:13 |
| Proteous | alpha channels are for loosers | 21:13 |
| Proteous | LOOOSERS | 21:13 |
| derf | Well, libpng knows about it. It's fixed in a later version. | 21:14 |
| lardman | fine | 21:14 |
| derf | No idea if maemo knows about it. | 21:14 |
| derf | And maybe I'm just running a really old version of maemo. | 21:14 |
| derf | That binary is for chinook, though it should work in theory on diablo. | 21:14 |
| lardman | my scratchbox has /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 | 21:14 |
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| lardman | yeah should be fine | 21:15 |
| derf | Yes, so does mine. | 21:15 |
| lardman | ok, so no updates to libpng for Diablo then | 21:15 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 ?? | 21:15 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=png for the list | 21:15 |
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| thopiekar | what is dh_prep usually doing? | 21:18 |
| Proteous | eating your lunch out of your locker | 21:18 |
| Proteous | sadly | 21:18 |
| lardman | no clue, Debian stuff ;) | 21:18 |
| thopiekar | :P | 21:18 |
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| Proteous | why did you give it your combination anyway? | 21:19 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe. /me used xf86-input-tslib with right-click patch from debian and now have perfect clicking in any app :P | 21:19 |
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| thopiekar | Proteous: cracklib2's rulez-file of ubuntu's sources is using it.. but sb1.diablo hasn't got it.. i'm thinking about commenting it out.. | 21:20 |
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| Proteous | Mmmm, crack | 21:22 |
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| geoaxis | neat ...maemo made it to GSOC | 21:32 |
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| florian | re | 21:56 |
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| xnt | hey all, im At after school :) | 22:02 |
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| xnt | ok i gotta switch computers :), brb | 22:02 |
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| Shadow__X | where do the program icons go | 22:03 |
| joyrider | i've put mine in a subdir of (i used scalable and a 64x64 png icon) /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ | 22:04 |
| Shadow__X | hmmn its the wizard mounter issue | 22:05 |
| joyrider | ah the no icon appearing in the menu ? | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | yup but rightfully placed in root | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | in ? | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | Shadow__X: http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: still around? | 22:06 |
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| joyrider | Shadow__X i had that also, but i went to the garage project site and downloaded the 1.2 version that fixed it | 22:06 |
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| Shadow__X | ah | 22:06 |
| joyrider | or you could just start a shell and start it manually | 22:06 |
| Shadow__X | too much of the typie | 22:07 |
| joyrider | :) | 22:07 |
| Shadow__X | i already do alot of typing on there would like to minimize it | 22:07 |
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| joyrider | btw Jaffa i used that site also for my icons but the 1st 3 lines are wrong it's missing the hi-color subdir at least i think so cause i have it on my N810 and it's there where i placed my icons (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/) | 22:10 |
| Shadow__X | thanks joyrider thanks Jaffa | 22:10 |
| Shadow__X | just did 1.2 | 22:10 |
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| Jaffa | joyrider: ah yes | 22:14 |
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| xnt | ok im back :) | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | joyrider/Shadow__X: I got it right here: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/pod/MUD/Package.html#extras (based on thp's info) | 22:16 |
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| xnt | has anyone seen b-man? | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | (apart from the .service line, doh!) | 22:17 |
| VDVsx | ~seeb b-man | 22:17 |
| VDVsx | ~seen b-man | 22:18 |
| infobot | b-man <n=b-man@adsl-90.dacor.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 18h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'thanks and no'. | 22:18 |
| joyrider | so anyone care to test my game before i post it on ITT forums ? http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax_1.0-1_armel.deb http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html everything should work now (icons are working as is the deb itself etc (took me a whole day to figure out how to create one)) | 22:18 |
| Shadow__X | what kind of game | 22:18 |
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| joyrider | just a simple game like bejeweled except that you just form rectangles | 22:18 |
| joyrider | http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/znax.html <- have a look | 22:19 |
| joyrider | it's a movie of the game | 22:19 |
| joyrider | it's just a recreation of a flash game i used to play | 22:20 |
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| yigal | i bought the g1 to use as a modem and a backup to my n800. However it has a terrible battery life, and it is far less open then I thought it would be, any suggestions for a TMo phone to use with the n800 for 3g? | 22:24 |
| yigal | also the g1 has no spell checking | 22:25 |
| yigal | terrible | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | yigal: they have sony-ericsson k610i? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's close to being a perfect tethering phone for me | 22:25 |
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| yigal | Stskeeps: ill check it out, ty. | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: it doesn't do US 3G frequencies. | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ah. | 22:27 |
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| yigal | owell | 22:27 |
| yigal | there has to be a better solution than the g1 | 22:30 |
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| jeff1f | I havent seen a good tmo tethering phone | 22:31 |
| jeff1f | with 3g | 22:31 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if there's anyone who's more capable of hacking up hildon-desktop as he's getting the creeps from gtk at the moment. | 22:34 | |
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| yigal | well the g1 has 3g & tethering - w/extra work - so I guess I'll keep the thing, it even improve w/age? whatever | 22:43 |
| jeff1f | i might have to get a second plan for the next tablet | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | yigal: maybe if you keep the firmware you can do 'reboot' or 'telnetd' on :P | 22:47 |
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| darkblue_B | (bad connection) | 22:50 |
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| ShadowJK | yigal, how terrible battery life is terrible? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | yigal: i'm actually surprised it has bad battery life, i thought android/dalvik would actually work better than hildon-like apps cos of the extensive use of event handlers.. | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, java.. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | and overarchitecturing things | 23:00 |
| ptargino | hi | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 23:02 |
| ptargino | is there any gsoc mentor there? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | i believe http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors has a list | 23:03 |
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| ptargino | thanks, but there only the names of mentors | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | nicknames in () too | 23:06 |
| ptargino | oh , thats true | 23:06 |
| ptargino | sorry | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 is probably relevant in general | 23:07 |
| ptargino | thanks again | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | derf/lardman ive not noticed a specific png problem with blending (the bacon was fully blended!) is it simply possible i worked round the damage myself when i was importing and just didnt notice? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | ie isnt it more likely to be a fault when rendering the png itself | 23:15 |
| derf | lcuk: AFAICT it has something to do with the set of conversion options you specify (programmatically) and is only triggered by paletted images. | 23:16 |
| derf | At least the segfault _I_ was experiencing. | 23:16 |
| lcuk | fair enough then | 23:16 |
| derf | There may be other blending problems. | 23:16 |
| lcuk | the blending itself is done by the app engine though isnt it rather than libpng itself | 23:17 |
| ptargino | VDVsx | 23:17 |
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| derf | Depends. The app can do it itself, or it can ask png to blend with the background color specified in the image. | 23:17 |
| derf | (I always do the latter, since I'm not planning on displaying these images on anything) | 23:17 |
| lcuk | ahh fair enough then | 23:17 |
| lcuk | i just leave an alpha channel | 23:18 |
| lcuk | and work it as required | 23:18 |
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| VDVsx | ptargino, yes :) | 23:19 |
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| lardman | re | 23:24 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is slowly beginning to hate Ubuntu. | 23:28 | |
| Stskeeps | lpia seems a bit wacky | 23:30 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, why ? :P | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, nothing works correctly. | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's generally a royal pain in the ass to use a desktop environment I'm not used to. | 23:31 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I don't have complains, but I use gnome for about 6~7 years :) | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | Yes, I started with KDE :) eheheh | 23:32 |
| * Stskeeps uses XP. but is most often in putty. | 23:33 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Very little about the arrangement of system settings and configuration makes sense. | 23:33 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 did claim to just mainly use ubuntu but Gta got me back into tha xp game | 23:33 | |
| xnt | b-man: Im trying xchat!, btw what happened to the upload? | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leopard + VMWare + Maemo SDK VM is looking more and more appealing. | 23:34 |
| ||cw | sure it does, things that affect only the user account are in one area, things that affect the whole system are in other | 23:34 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :D you dont need the sdk | 23:34 |
| b-man | xnt: i was kinda forced to disconnect :( | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that may very well turn out to be true with an OMAP3 device. | 23:35 |
| xnt | :(. can you reupload it ? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i mean normally :P | 23:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ||cw, go down a step. | 23:35 |
| b-man | xnt: yup, doing it now ;) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i really do think the o3 will be an amazing step | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ||cw, the individual control panels and their arrangement is just obnoxious. | 23:35 |
| lcuk | theres a control panel? | 23:35 |
| xnt | thanks!, lol I was getting more and more bored :P | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i thought it was just a menu | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The theme selector that goes 10 dialogs deep. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, _panels_ | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | _individual_ | 23:36 |
| lcuk | heh - i hope you remember to click outside the dialog to close it | 23:36 |
| timeless | gan: which is this? | 23:36 |
| b-man | xnt: heh | 23:36 |
| xnt | b-man: lol | 23:36 |
| b-man | :) | 23:36 |
| * xnt is liking xchat | 23:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, Dellbuntu 8.04 on the Mini 9 is slowly sapping me of all my strength and patience. | 23:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 23:37 | |
| * xnt is exploring the menus :) | 23:37 | |
| * GeneralAntilles just tried to tap the Mini 9's screen to close the application menu. | 23:37 | |
| b-man | lol | 23:37 |
| VDVsx | ehhehe | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 8.04 was a rushed pos | 23:37 |
| * lcuk is gonna get an asus eee top | 23:38 | |
| b-man | xnt: it's quite a nice client :) | 23:38 |
| xnt | b-man: I agree | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, unfortunately I don't think I have the energy to arrange installation of 8.10 or something newer. | 23:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, doesn't sound like you'll like it much better :/, but at the time for me; the 7.10 > 8.04 upgrade was the worst | 23:39 |
| b-man | hello, jaem_N810 :) | 23:40 |
| jaem_N810 | say... how easily serviceable are 5-1/4" floppy drives, for someone in Engineering? | 23:40 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: hi | 23:40 |
| jaem_N810 | hi, b-man, xnt | 23:40 |
| jaem_N810 | I think mine's toast :( | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 8.04 to 8.10 also brought its shi.. newer network manager so I had to pin the 8.04 version | 23:40 |
| jaem_N810 | I just found a copy of Electronics Workbench v2.0 :P | 23:41 |
| jaem_N810 | but it's on floppies | 23:41 |
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| xnt | jaem_N810: :P | 23:41 |
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| jaem_N810 | and my drive is half-dead | 23:41 |
| b-man | hmm | 23:41 |
| xnt | qwerty12_N800: lol | 23:41 |
| jaem_N810 | I wanted it for laughs, mainly, and out of interest | 23:42 |
| jaem_N810 | the drive spins down shortly after inserting a diskette, and won't spin up until you reinsert it | 23:42 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm not sure how far gone it is, but I could certainly de/solder things if I have the parts | 23:42 |
| jaem_N810 | then again, a used drive is probably ~$5 or less | 23:43 |
| xnt | 74MB on the upload :) | 23:43 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: what's the issue with the tarball? | 23:43 |
| xnt | jaem: why not buy a new one? | 23:44 |
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| b-man | the upload got interupted, but don't worry, i'm resuming the upload ;) | 23:44 |
| xnt | jaem: are you in the US? | 23:44 |
| b-man | at 99% now :) | 23:44 |
| xnt | :D YAY!, can't wait :) | 23:45 |
| xnt | 75MB | 23:45 |
| geoaxis | is there a seprate channel for maemo-gsoc | 23:45 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: Canada | 23:45 |
| xnt | wait, b-man, how big is it supposed to be? | 23:45 |
| xnt | jaem: us, specifically NY | 23:45 |
| jaem_N810 | and - ooh... the floppy drive has test point posts | 23:45 |
| jaem_N810 | this could be fun | 23:46 |
| xnt | jaem: lol, don't blow it up :P | 23:46 |
| * b-man is froom Bowling Green, Ohio | 23:46 | |
| b-man | *from | 23:46 |
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| xnt | b-man: you have verizon dsl? | 23:47 |
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| jaem_N810 | xnt: my old prof said I was lousy at troubleshooting, but he normally said things like that | 23:47 |
| b-man | version yes, kinda - i'm borwing my friend's secure connection who has it | 23:48 |
| b-man | *verizon :P | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps / yigal: it's entirely possible they're burning it all on the radios :) My older S40 based Nokia was like that, it ate battery in 3-6 hours acting as modem over bluetooth, even if there was absolutely 0 bytes moving the entire time | 23:49 |
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| * b-man dislikes his keyboard | 23:49 | |
| xnt | b-man: I have Verizon FiOS, 5MB up 20MB Down :P , although the router they give you sucks, I swapped it for a WRT54TM (WRT54GL /w 32mb flash) with dd-wrt | 23:50 |
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| b-man | nice :) | 23:50 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: bah! my WRT54GL has 512MB of flash | 23:51 |
| jaem_N810 | ...currently | 23:51 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 23:51 |
| jaem_N810 | yay SD mod | 23:51 |
| xnt | b-man: I have a g15, btw what computer do you have, I have this http://xceleo.com/setup.html , btw my site sucks on resolustions below 1600x1200, and im too lazy to fix it :P I wrote it at 2AM | 23:51 |
| jaem_N810 | it was fairly touchy soldering work, so a friend of mine did most of it | 23:51 |
| b-man | Upload complete: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/rootstrap/ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz :D | 23:51 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: lol | 23:51 |
| jaem_N810 | but it works well | 23:52 |
| xnt | b-man YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! | 23:52 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: %11111000 | 23:52 |
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| jaem_N810 | b-man: changelog link? | 23:52 |
| xnt | b-man: how big is it supposed to be? | 23:52 |
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| b-man | 74 mb | 23:54 |
| b-man | xnt: i'm getting a Dell Studio 15 | 23:54 |
| b-man | xnt: "picture comming soon"? XD | 23:54 |
| b-man | 74 mb | 23:54 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: ooh | 23:54 |
| xnt | its 75MB | 23:54 |
| xnt | b-man:yea Im to lazy to upload the pics, ill add them when I update my site :P | 23:55 |
| jaem_N810 | I have to have some lunch | 23:55 |
| jaem_N810 | I'll try the new release when I have a chance, b-man | 23:55 |
| b-man | k :) | 23:55 |
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| * xnt is really happy :) | 23:56 | |
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| b-man | XD | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg | 23:56 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: Beautiful :) I like it :) | 23:57 |
| xnt | It gives my ideas for my own Mer UI Concept :) | 23:57 |
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| xnt | Stskeeps: Im thinking of having a dedicated terminal tab, and have an option to remove it, for normal users, or have it disabled by default. | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: interesting effect of taskbar is that when a window in quick switcher has multiple sub-windows, it pops up vertically to let you select the right window | 23:59 |
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