| b-man | Stskeeps: wow 0.o extremely nice!! :D | 00:00 |
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| b-man | ...butiful | 00:00 |
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| * b-man drewls while looking at the screenshot | 00:00 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: that's a mockup but we're getting closer to it actually | 00:00 |
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| b-man | that's really nice :) | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | thanks to zenvoid and wazd :) | 00:01 |
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| b-man | brilliant!! :D | 00:02 |
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| xnt | b-man: im making my own mockup, the Idea is to have two UI's one for the desktop (kde/gnome/hildon mix) and the nit one (hildon/the radikal mockup/jaaz's mockup) | 00:02 |
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| b-man | xnt: nice :) | 00:03 |
| xnt | * tabletui's mockup | 00:03 |
| derf | lardman: Actually decoding a QR code is relatively fast. | 00:03 |
| derf | It's _finding_ it that takes forever. | 00:03 |
| b-man | xnt: :) | 00:03 |
| * xnt is going to install ubuntu right now :) | 00:04 | |
| b-man | :) | 00:05 |
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| xnt | so far so good :) | 00:07 |
| xnt | b-man btw, is it possible to install hildon in ubuntu? | 00:08 |
| lardman | derf: ok | 00:08 |
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| b-man | xnt: not quite yet | 00:09 |
| lardman | derf: I might try starting threads for the QR and dtmx decoders, hopefully then the ui will remain responsive | 00:09 |
| xnt | ok | 00:09 |
| b-man | but you could install ubuntu-mid - wich has it's own version of hildon :) | 00:09 |
| xnt | Damn! I got an EOF after ./lib/libslang.so.2.1.3 NOOOO! | 00:09 |
| b-man | what!?!? | 00:10 |
| * b-man gose nutz | 00:10 | |
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| xnt | b-man did you try downloading it from your maemobox, and extracting it ? | 00:10 |
| b-man | i'm trying it now | 00:10 |
| xnt | ok | 00:11 |
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| derf | lardman: Locating the code could probably be sped up a lot, but doing it without sacrificing its detection ability is a hard problem. | 00:11 |
| derf | (and I want to kill whoever decided that "Double QR" was a good idea) | 00:12 |
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| lardman | lol | 00:14 |
| lardman | anyone know if libgd is available? | 00:14 |
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| lardman | ah not to worry, I'm sure gnuplot will work without it | 00:16 |
| xnt | b-man: whats wrong with the tarball? | 00:17 |
| b-man | i'm looking into it now - it's allmost done downloading | 00:18 |
| xnt | ok :) | 00:18 |
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| neatojones | Jaffa, ping (auto-hildonization) | 00:19 |
| b-man | hay, neatojones :) | 00:19 |
| b-man | i'm guessing that it probibly got corrupted when my upload got interupted :( - but i haven't confermed that yet | 00:20 |
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| b-man | @xnt | 00:20 |
| xnt | b-man: :( | 00:20 |
| xnt | b-man: what do you mean by @xnt | 00:21 |
| neatojones | hey | 00:21 |
| neatojones | what's up b-man | 00:21 |
| lardman | is there a Debianism to not make docs? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i thought that was normal developer practice :D | 00:22 |
| jaska | haha | 00:22 |
| b-man | xnt: to let neatojones know that i was talking to you in the 2nd response | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nodocs" .. i think | 00:22 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: cool, thanks | 00:22 |
| xnt | oh ok | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if the package in question supports it | 00:22 |
| lardman | hmm | 00:22 |
| b-man | neatojones: i think i allmost have the ubuntu-n8x0 2.2 image up :) | 00:23 |
| lardman | can I comment the dh_installdocs lines or something like that? | 00:23 |
| xnt | b-man: :) | 00:23 |
| b-man | XD | 00:23 |
| neatojones | Nice. I'll give it a shot later. | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: nah, just installs docs that have already been made | 00:23 |
| * b-man gets done and tests out the archive | 00:24 | |
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| lardman | ok, so where is the doc making actually called frrm? | 00:24 |
| neatojones | I need someone who's really good with building debs to help me figure out why I keep getting problems with some part of my e17 packages | 00:24 |
| * xnt is waiting patiently :) | 00:24 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: configure scripts | 00:24 |
| neatojones | I think I've figured most of it out....but there are a few things that I just can't figure out. | 00:25 |
| * b-man waches as streams of filenames stream accros the screen | 00:26 | |
| xnt | :) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: in times of desperation, i have been known to remove "docs" from SUBDIRS in Makefile.am & configure (if there is not a flag for not doing so already) | 00:26 |
| z4chh | WOOHOOO MAEMO GOT IN!!!!! | 00:27 |
| * z4chh dances | 00:27 | |
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| * z4chh does a fist pump | 00:27 | |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2c7a58d7 curious | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: doctools devkit | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 00:30 |
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| b-man | xnt: i think i fixed it - it turned out that it was just 0.999% away from being fully uploaded - my ftp client malfunctioned for some odd reason | 00:31 |
| xnt | :) | 00:31 |
| * xnt formats his ext3 partition | 00:31 | |
| * b-man hopes he fixed it XD | 00:31 | |
| xnt | so its uploaded? | 00:31 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I think I have that installed anyway | 00:31 |
| lardman | not to worry, have hacked the innards of the rules file, fingers crossed | 00:32 |
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| b-man | xnt: yes, it's now (fully) uploaded XD | 00:33 |
| xnt | YAY! | 00:33 |
| * xnt extracts | 00:33 | |
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| * xnt downloads *then* untars | 00:33 | |
| xnt | lol | 00:33 |
| xnt | 2.35MBPS! | 00:34 |
| b-man | i was going to say - you have a fu*k*ng fast connection XD | 00:34 |
| xnt | eta 5seconds | 00:34 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting demo screenshot linked from the gnuplot page :) http://f3wm.free.fr/linux/gp_girl.html | 00:35 |
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| xnt | b-man: lol, but I can't host a webserver (port 80 blocked), but for that I have dreamhost :) | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: hah | 00:35 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I've been wasting my time with phase unwrapping diagrams! | 00:36 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, there's prettier curves in nature | 00:36 |
| * xnt watches streams of filenames scroll on my screen :P | 00:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Maths can be fun? | 00:36 |
| b-man | lol | 00:36 |
| xnt | b-man: so untar, then what? | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | lardman, your sketches are intruiging to me, i would like to subscribe to your newsletter! :D | 00:37 |
| b-man | apt-get install sys-env-x - to get the rest of the basic bootable system with xorg | 00:37 |
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| xnt | when? after I boot into it? | 00:37 |
| xnt | I boot into it with bootmenu> | 00:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: that's the problem with liqsketch, it remembers *everything*! | 00:38 |
| xnt | * > = ? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:38 |
| b-man | you will need to install a desktop first | 00:38 |
| * lardman hates it when the Debian build process fails right at the end | 00:38 | |
| b-man | unless you want the console XD | 00:38 |
| lcuk | lardman, thats why i need to be location aware (or context) | 00:38 |
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| xnt | b-man, so If I boot into it now, I get a console? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | i want to login to the system with a blank sketch password | 00:39 |
| lcuk | depending on the password i enter a different dataset | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | theres no visible clue i did something different | 00:39 |
| b-man | xnt: if you boot into it now, without sys-env-base or x, it will just reboot | 00:39 |
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| * b-man eats dinner | 00:40 | |
| lardman | I've always thought they should do that for ATMs, 2 PIN numbers, one for normal use, the other for potential muggers | 00:40 |
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| b-man | i'll be back | 00:40 |
| xnt | so I chroot into it? | 00:40 |
| z4chh | b-man, what's for dinner? :D | 00:40 |
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| xnt | b-man: WAIT | 00:40 |
| xnt | damn | 00:40 |
| z4chh | xnt, you wanted some food to? :D | 00:40 |
| b-man|away | z4chh: pasta | 00:40 |
| z4chh | pasta! | 00:40 |
| xnt | no, I wanted to know what to do after I untar it? | 00:40 |
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| b-man|away | with lots of sauce | 00:41 |
| lardman | mmm, making me hungry again | 00:41 |
| lcuk | lardman, a duress code | 00:42 |
| lardman | yep | 00:42 |
| xnt | b-man|away: ok I think I got it :) | 00:42 |
| * xnt is chrooting :) | 00:42 | |
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| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATM_SafetyPIN_software | 00:43 |
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| lardman | good good, gnuplot packaged ok | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | dont sound so surprised! | 00:43 |
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| lardman | ;) | 00:45 |
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| lardman | aaargh, slice again! | 00:48 |
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| lardman | ~pray that Octave stops using slice | 00:55 |
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| lardman | infobot: do you not pray!? | 00:55 |
| infobot | yes, I not pray!. | 00:55 |
| lardman | hmm | 00:55 |
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| b-man | i'm back :D | 01:03 |
| b-man | infobot: do you love to party!? | 01:04 |
| b-man | hmm XP | 01:04 |
| infobot | yes, I love to party!. | 01:04 |
| xnt | b-man : I do everything in the second post? | 01:04 |
| b-man | :D | 01:04 |
| b-man | in this image, you should only need to install sys-env-x to have a bootable base system | 01:05 |
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| xnt | so chroot in and run apt-get install sys-env-x | 01:06 |
| b-man | yup | 01:06 |
| xnt | ok :) | 01:06 |
| * b-man will make a new thread about the newly released 2.2 image when he gets the chance ;) | 01:06 | |
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| xnt | holy crap thats a lot of packages, b0man hit Y? | 01:07 |
| xnt | 255 to be newly installed | 01:07 |
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| xnt | ** b-man | 01:08 |
| lardman | which device is the external card on the n810 | 01:08 |
| lardman | ? | 01:08 |
| xnt | not b0man :P damn typos | 01:08 |
| xnt | lardman: on mine its mmcblk1p* | 01:09 |
| xnt | blk1 | 01:09 |
| lardman | thanks | 01:09 |
| xnt | np | 01:09 |
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| xnt | rzr: hi | 01:09 |
| * xnt hits Y :P | 01:10 | |
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| xnt | ok brb | 01:11 |
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| b-man | xnt: i'm back again XP - my connection is crappy today | 01:15 |
| xnt|Away | :P | 01:16 |
| b-man | sorry :P | 01:16 |
| rzr | hi xnt|Away * | 01:17 |
| z4chh | anyone seen morpheuz (spelled something like that)? | 01:18 |
| lbt | anyone here use garage git? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | lardman, before you run off, gnite :) | 01:18 |
| b-man | xnt: btw, while it's still downloading, i'd suggest that you mount /proc, /tmp, /dev/pts and, /dev in a new terminal window so dpkg can run properly | 01:18 |
| b-man | while configuring the packages | 01:19 |
| xnt|Away | k | 01:19 |
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| lbt | I asked Ferenc for access a while back and never chased up... is there another way to get git for my project | 01:20 |
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| lardman | lcuk: lol | 01:20 |
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| thresh | lbt: so you need git hosting or git hosting on garage? | 01:21 |
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| lbt | ideally on garage... | 01:22 |
| lbt | but do you know somewhere I could push to and then tidy-up/delete when I get garage working | 01:22 |
| thresh | sure, git.or.cz :) | 01:23 |
| thresh | i also use assembla | 01:23 |
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| pinback | still trying to do the n800 jaunty thing | 01:23 |
| thresh | err, repo.or.cz of course, also github | 01:23 |
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| pinback | anyone get b-mans new rootfs to work? | 01:24 |
| lbt | ta - never looked b4 :) | 01:24 |
| xnt|Away | pinback: im installing it right now :P | 01:25 |
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| pinback | xnt - its doesnt have a /linuxrc file? | 01:25 |
| xnt|Away | its uploaded | 01:25 |
| xnt|Away | rm the old tarball, and redownload | 01:25 |
| pinback | ok, I'll retry | 01:25 |
| * xnt|Away is *Away* | 01:25 | |
| xnt|Away | ok | 01:25 |
| pinback | where should linuxrc reside? | 01:27 |
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| pinback | untarring... | 01:29 |
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| pinback | sshing to my n800 over wifi is actually a better experience than sshing to my HP DL785 8-CPU (32-core) server in London | 01:30 |
| b-man | pinback: it'l have a /linuxrc file after sys-env-x installation ;) | 01:31 |
| pinback | ah - is there a new step? | 01:31 |
| xnt | pinback: lol | 01:31 |
| pinback | last time I tried to install sys-env-x it moaned about a bunch of stuff | 01:31 |
| b-man | pinback: yup, a entirely new and muc more practical way to install the base system | 01:32 |
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| pinback | do I install that in maemo or ubuntu? | 01:32 |
| b-man | *much | 01:32 |
| lardman | hmm, does one have to explicitly tell the linker to link libg2c? | 01:32 |
| b-man | ubuntu :P | 01:32 |
| pinback | so I need to do an apt-get install sys-env-x after untarring? | 01:32 |
| xnt | b-man: do I still have to uninstall the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? | 01:32 |
| b-man | nope | 01:32 |
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| b-man | xserver-xorg-tslib takes care of that | 01:33 |
| pinback | ok its untarred anything more before reboot? | 01:33 |
| xnt | b-man: so install sys-env-x and reboot? | 01:33 |
| pinback | I need to install sys-env-x:? | 01:34 |
| b-man | pinback, xnt, yes, apt-get install sys-env-x and then install a desktop env if you want | 01:34 |
| xnt | pinback: yea I think so | 01:34 |
| xnt | ubuntu-desktop :D | 01:34 |
| b-man | pinback: YES | 01:34 |
| pinback | in maemo? | 01:34 |
| b-man | xnt: shure :D | 01:34 |
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| xnt | no chroot into the ubuntu install (I think) | 01:34 |
| b-man | pinback: in ubuntu | 01:35 |
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| pinback | I get like a zillion unmet dependencies | 01:35 |
| b-man | 0o??? | 01:35 |
| pinback | sys-env-x: Depends: sys-env-base but it is not going to be installed | 01:35 |
| pinback | Depends: ubuntu-omap-fb-splash but it is not going to be installed | 01:35 |
| pinback | Depends: tablet-x (>= 1.8ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 01:35 |
| pinback | ... | 01:35 |
| b-man | xnt isn't having that issue | 01:35 |
| xnt | yup | 01:35 |
| xnt | damn | 01:35 |
| * b-man screams | 01:35 | |
| xnt | pinback still has problems | 01:35 |
| xnt | np here :P | 01:36 |
| pinback | why wont it install the dependencies? | 01:36 |
| xnt | b-man: no need to scream, lol | 01:36 |
| xnt | pinback: I don't know :( | 01:36 |
| xnt | do apt-get update, I had an unmet dep before | 01:37 |
| xnt | and that fixed it | 01:37 |
| b-man | oh :) | 01:37 |
| pinback | what repo do these live in? | 01:37 |
| * b-man is releaved | 01:37 | |
| * Stskeeps goes to bed | 01:37 | |
| b-man | pinback: ubuntu-n8x0, deblet, and mer | 01:37 |
| xnt | bmans maemo box, and ubuntu ports (I think) | 01:37 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: bye | 01:37 |
| b-man | See ya Stskeeps | 01:38 |
| pinback | whats the ubuntu ports repo? | 01:38 |
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| b-man | that's the acctual ubuntu jaunty repo | 01:39 |
| b-man | *actual :P | 01:39 |
| pinback | yes whats the sources.lst entry? | 01:39 |
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| b-man | deb http://ports.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse | 01:40 |
| b-man | deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse | 01:40 |
| lbt | thresh: ta http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/gestures | 01:41 |
| xnt | b-man: how long is installing sys-env-x going to take? | 01:41 |
| Proteous | on your 28.8 kbps modem, like 4 days | 01:41 |
| Proteous | hope you don't get charged by the minute | 01:41 |
| b-man | 20-45 minutes | 01:42 |
| thresh | lbt: cool! | 01:42 |
| xnt | b-man: thanks | 01:42 |
| thresh | lbt: nice tool, too. will install! :) | 01:42 |
| xnt | Proteous: im on fios :P | 01:42 |
| b-man | np :) | 01:42 |
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| pinback | my repo list is ridiculously long now - updating takes minutes | 01:43 |
| lbt | thresh: just make sure you don't have qt4.5 yet... | 01:43 |
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| xnt | irssi freezes at school :P, going to switch to xchat | 01:44 |
| b-man | heh | 01:44 |
| b-man | at least your school doesn't block you from installing an irc client | 01:44 |
| pinback | ok - only 2 missing dependencies now: | 01:45 |
| xnt | compiz works on the school computers, lol, my ss teacher shouted what the hell is that, when he saw the cube :P | 01:45 |
| pinback | sys-env-x: Depends: sys-env-base but it is not going to be installed | 01:45 |
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| pinback | Depends: tablet-x (>= 1.8ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 01:45 |
| b-man | xnt: lol | 01:45 |
| Mousey | so does this mean there's an ARM branch of ubuntu now? | 01:45 |
| Mousey | like debian armle and be? | 01:45 |
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| b-man | pinback: hmm | 01:45 |
| t-nor | hi | 01:45 |
| Mousey | lo | 01:45 |
| b-man | hold on | 01:45 |
| Mousey | k | 01:45 |
| xnt | Mousey: Yeah , I think so | 01:46 |
| Mousey | xnt: wee! | 01:46 |
| b-man | @pinback XD | 01:46 |
| pinback | ? | 01:46 |
| * lardman wonders how to package up Octave now not having used Debian tools to build it | 01:46 | |
| * xnt is bored | 01:46 | |
| t-nor | i have a probleme when i run "apt-get upgrade" on my flashed N810, it reboot when it install maemo-launcher and it don't boot anymore | 01:47 |
| b-man | pinback: works fine for me | 01:47 |
| pinback | what is tablet-x ? I think thats tghe problem | 01:47 |
| t-nor | i have to recopy the OS in the flash to the SD card to boot on SD | 01:47 |
| b-man | pinback: can you try running apt-get update again? | 01:48 |
| pinback | yup will retry | 01:48 |
| pinback | Im definately mising a repo someplace | 01:48 |
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| b-man | pinback: can you pastebin your sources.list file? | 01:49 |
| b-man | pastebin.ca | 01:49 |
| b-man | ^website | 01:50 |
| b-man | google it ;) | 01:50 |
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| pinback | http://pastebin.ca/1364787 | 01:59 |
| pinback | better still can you paste yours? | 02:00 |
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| b-man | shure | 02:00 |
| xnt | is removing sysv-rc bad in fremantle? | 02:01 |
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| b-man | pinback: ....are you using maemo's sources.list? XD | 02:01 |
| pinback | I have no idea - I accumulated them over time | 02:01 |
| * b-man posts the right sourcees.list file on pastebin | 02:02 | |
| xnt | is this bad? http://xceleo.com/fremantle.png | 02:02 |
| StsN800 | pinback, are you even doing this inside the chroot? .. | 02:03 |
| xnt | btw to b-man, this is fremantle not ubuntu, :P | 02:03 |
| pinback | chroot? doh! :-) | 02:03 |
| b-man | xnt: this is ubuntu :P | 02:04 |
| b-man | (ubuntu 9.04 - jaunty) | 02:04 |
| xnt | no that screenshot :P, im trying out fremantle | 02:04 |
| xnt | btw update on sys-env-x install http://xceleo.com/ubuntu-install.png | 02:04 |
| b-man | oh, never mind then XP | 02:04 |
| xnt | nevermnid, ITS DONE!!! | 02:05 |
| * xnt faints | 02:05 | |
| xnt | jk | 02:05 |
| StsN800 | i have officially lost my faith in humanity for tonight. :goes to sleep: | 02:05 |
| xnt | ok now what | 02:05 |
| xnt | StsN800: bye | 02:05 |
| b-man | StsN800: lol | 02:05 |
| xnt | lol | 02:05 |
| xnt | b-man: now what | 02:05 |
| pinback | oooo - zillion new packages need installed | 02:06 |
| pinback | this is good right? | 02:06 |
| lardman | night all | 02:06 |
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| b-man | xnt: test it out | 02:06 |
| xnt | http://xceleo.com/install-finished.png :D | 02:06 |
| b-man | :) | 02:07 |
| xnt | now reboot, right? | 02:07 |
| b-man | i ment boot XD | 02:07 |
| pinback | Need to get 76.4MB of archives. After this operation, 267MB of additional disk space will be used. | 02:07 |
| b-man | yup | 02:07 |
| pinback | this is cool right? | 02:07 |
| b-man | yes | 02:07 |
| xnt | pinstack: I got the exact same amount :P | 02:07 |
| xnt | yea | 02:07 |
| xnt | hit Y | 02:07 |
| * xnt is rebooting | 02:08 | |
| pinback | done - installing | 02:08 |
| * b-man crosses his fingers | 02:08 | |
| z4chh | xnt, what theme is that? | 02:08 |
| pinback | been working with Unix systems for ~20yrs and this install is the first time I used chroot :-) | 02:09 |
| z4chh | err | 02:09 |
| z4chh | that looks like xfce | 02:09 |
| practisevoodoo | aw soooo cool! ubuntu on n800! | 02:09 |
| b-man | yup :D | 02:09 |
| practisevoodoo | way too much hassle to actually install at the moment | 02:09 |
| pinback | I see some 404 errors while its installing sys-env-x | 02:09 |
| b-man | pinback: longer than i've been around XD | 02:10 |
| xnt | pinback: apt-get update | 02:10 |
| pinback | ok | 02:10 |
| xnt | that fixed it for me :P | 02:10 |
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| xnt | b-man: crap! I don't have bootmenu anymore!, where do I get it? | 02:10 |
| pinback | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet | 02:11 |
| b-man | you'll need to reboot | 02:11 |
| xnt | ok :) | 02:11 |
| xnt | thanks | 02:11 |
| * b-man needs to do something | 02:11 | |
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| pinback | do we really need /etc/apt/sources.lst - shouldnt there be a Google Repo or something? | 02:12 |
| xnt | pinstack: where is the deb files for the bootmenu? | 02:13 |
| xnt | * are | 02:13 |
| pinback | I used the .install file: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install | 02:13 |
| xnt | ok thanks, btww I have to eat dinner, so ill do this from my nit :) | 02:14 |
| xnt | * btw | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, Ubuntu 8.10 looks a lot nicer than 8.04. | 02:14 |
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| pinback | Ubuntu 8.10 known issues: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966436 | 02:18 |
| pinback | Mouse thing was a bummer for me | 02:19 |
| * wazd thinks that he just crapped his pants playing Dead Space | 02:19 | |
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| practisevoodoo | is there a way to increase the size of the program instal area? | 02:25 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, not simply, you can clean out a lot of unrequired files though | 02:25 |
| practisevoodoo | you mean just uninstal stuff? | 02:26 |
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| tank-man | you can install everything to a larger sdhc card | 02:31 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: ping! | 02:31 |
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| b-man | jeam: pong | 02:32 |
| jaem_N810 | did mine ears hear of a workaround for sound on Ubuntu? (even a poor one?) | 02:33 |
| b-man | not yet :( | 02:34 |
| * b-man eatss some cake | 02:34 | |
| neatojones | jaem: Try searching iTT for the deblet way. | 02:34 |
| neatojones | I heard it worked. | 02:34 |
| b-man | *eats :P | 02:34 |
| jaem_N810 | also, KDE pkgs are out for arm, but they bumped the revision, and they haven't pushed half of the new revision yet | 02:34 |
| * jaem_N810 whips the buildbots | 02:35 | |
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| jaem_N810 | "build harder!" | 02:36 |
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| neatojones | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22642&highlight=deblet+sound | 02:37 |
| jaem_N810 | because of that, I can't install things properly without using the Massive Metapackage of Massive | 02:37 |
| pinback | lol - I hope I didnt mistype my password when sys-x-env install prompted me | 02:37 |
| jaem_N810 | which pulls in lots I don't want :( | 02:37 |
| xnt | b-man: ubuntu-desktop is broken :( | 02:37 |
| neatojones | jaem_N810: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=211224&postcount=1 | 02:37 |
| neatojones | I haven't tried it, but I've heard it works. | 02:38 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: version mismatches? | 02:38 |
| pinback | xnt: what desktop did you install? | 02:39 |
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| jaem_N810 | pinback: ubuntu-desktop == GNOME | 02:39 |
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| xnt | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 02:39 |
| pinback | ooo - I thought you had a choice | 02:39 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback, you do | 02:39 |
| b-man | xnt: what errors did you incounter? | 02:39 |
| jaem_N810 | but stock Ubuntu uses GNOME | 02:40 |
| jaem_N810 | hence the metapackage | 02:40 |
| xnt | http://pastebin.com/d3c3cc59a | 02:40 |
| neatojones | We really need to find a way to use MamonaImageCreatory for Ubuntu/Mer | 02:40 |
| neatojones | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/MamonaImageCreator#installation | 02:40 |
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| neatojones | it would allow us to extract the closed source components from Maemo | 02:41 |
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| * jaem_N810 curses Arch Linux and their lack of arches | 02:42 | |
| b-man | lol | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | architectures*, that is | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | it would be nice on the NITs | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | slim | 02:42 |
| xnt | b-man: http://pastebin.com/d3c3cc59a , :( | 02:43 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: if I glue an Atom to my N810, I can run x86 code, right? :D | 02:44 |
| b-man | shure XD | 02:44 |
| xnt | jaem_N810: that made me lol | 02:44 |
| jaem_N810 | will it impact power consumption? | 02:44 |
| jaem_N810 | or give me superpowers? | 02:44 |
| pinback | yay - sys-env-x is installed!!! :-) now what? | 02:44 |
| * xnt is very sad right now :( | 02:44 | |
| * jaem_N810 smacks xnt over the head with the happy stick | 02:45 | |
| b-man | xnt: don't worrie ;) | 02:45 |
| b-man | lol | 02:45 |
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| pinback | do I reboot first or ap-get desktop? | 02:45 |
| xnt | b-man. jaem: thanks, lol, ubuntu-desktop is broken | 02:45 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: you'd probably want to install your desktop first | 02:45 |
| xnt | pinback try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 02:45 |
| b-man | i'll try and fix that ;) | 02:45 |
| pinback | ok - lets see what happens | 02:46 |
| xnt | pinback: wati | 02:46 |
| xnt | wait | 02:46 |
| pinback | ? | 02:46 |
| jaem_N810 | LXDE is more lightweight than GNOME - you could give that a try | 02:46 |
| * pinback almost hit enter | 02:46 | |
| xnt | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop matchbox-keyboard | 02:46 |
| xnt | thats just in case you have a n800 (no kb) | 02:46 |
| pinback | that it? | 02:46 |
| pinback | yup I do | 02:46 |
| xnt | then make a bootmenu entry | 02:47 |
| pinback | already got one | 02:47 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt, b-man: is there a popup OSK like the one in hildon | 02:47 |
| xnt | pinback: ok | 02:47 |
| pinback | I got the same error as you xnt | 02:47 |
| jaem_N810 | I have an N810, but I was curious | 02:47 |
| pinback | zillion Depens... | 02:47 |
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| jaem_N810 | pinback, xnt: check the timestamps on the pkgs in the repos | 02:48 |
| xnt | pinback: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=254257&postcount=2 | 02:48 |
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| jaem_N810 | maybe they're doing a rebuild of some other pkgs too | 02:48 |
| tank-man | Hi, I am trying to find my N800 in my house, I can ssh and I have the idea of playing a sound file from the commandline to find my device. Any Ideas? | 02:49 |
| jaem_N810 | KDE pkgs are in-progress | 02:49 |
| pinback | xnt: whats that for? | 02:49 |
| jaem_N810 | mplayer can be used from cli, right? | 02:49 |
| xnt | jaem: I have a N810, yea matchbox-keyboard is the soft kb | 02:49 |
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| tank-man | oh yea thanks jaem_N810 | 02:49 |
| xnt | tank-man: apt-get install sox, if you can | 02:49 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: but you have to manually open and close it,right? | 02:49 |
| tank-man | can't apt-get cause it says the gui package manager is open | 02:49 |
| xnt | killall hildon-application-manager | 02:50 |
| xnt | jaem: it starts at boot | 02:50 |
| pinback | xnt: any ideas how to fix the desktop? | 02:50 |
| xnt | no | 02:50 |
| xnt | b-man is trying to fix it :) | 02:51 |
| pinback | k | 02:51 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: the main thread said installing Mer xkb-data fixes Fn key | 02:52 |
| * xnt wants his ubuntu-n810, but is patient :) | 02:52 | |
| jaem_N810 | I already had it installed, and it didn't work, last I checked | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: me too, but I'm slightly less patient | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 02:52 |
| * pinback is totally impatient | 02:52 | |
| xnt | lol | 02:52 |
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| jaem_N810 | b-man's doing an excellent job, though | 02:52 |
| xnt | yea | 02:53 |
| b-man | :) | 02:53 |
| jaem_N810 | what the heck? If I type -> at the end of the msg entry box in xchat, focus jumps to the topic | 02:53 |
| jaem_N810 | which is why I borked it earlier, without noticing | 02:53 |
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| jaem_N810 | have you folks seen any good deals on BT folding keyboards? | 02:54 |
| b-man | -> | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | "good" as in "affordable on a student budget" | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: I meant right-arrow on the D-pad | 02:55 |
| b-man | oh, lol | 02:55 |
| * jaem_N810 laughs at b-man | 02:55 | |
| b-man | XD | 02:55 |
| * xnt presses right arrow on his n810 :P | 02:56 | |
| b-man | hmm... apparently ubuntu-desktop is broken in the ubuntu jaunty repositorys 0o nooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:56 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: to start KDE with KDM, it's just the normal inittab setting and all that, right? | 02:56 |
| xnt | b-man: any way to fix it? | 02:57 |
| b-man | apt-get install tablet-kdm-autologin - i believe | 02:57 |
| pinback | jaem: get a nice rubber one for $10 | 02:57 |
| b-man | xnt: not shure | 02:57 |
| pinback | with a usb connection | 02:57 |
| b-man | ::( | 02:57 |
| jaem_N810 | ah... but what if I don't want it to login in automatically | 02:57 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: I could, but they're pretty junky, are hard to type on, and don't roll small enough | 02:58 |
| b-man | kdm will stsrt automaticly then | 02:58 |
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| jaem_N810 | oh right - apt automagically sets that up, doesn't it | 02:58 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: I'd rather have a password | 02:59 |
| xnt | lol, everyone asks to see my nit, so I put the passcode lock, I could just setup a kb shortcut in ubuntu , to lock the screen | 02:59 |
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| xnt | * seem my nit at school | 02:59 |
| xnt | **see | 02:59 |
| xnt | lol | 02:59 |
| b-man | ? | 02:59 |
| b-man | oh lol | 03:00 |
| xnt | repost: lol, everyone at asks to see my nit, so I put the passcode lock, I could just setup a kb shortcut in ubuntu , to lock the screen | 03:00 |
| Pavlov | is there a windows flasher tool? | 03:00 |
| xnt | btw b-man, is it possible to lock the screen like in maemo, on ubuntu | 03:00 |
| jaem_N810 | pavlov: yes, but it's slow as heck | 03:00 |
| jaem_N810 | in my experience | 03:00 |
| Pavlov | ah | 03:00 |
| pinback | Nokia BT keyboard is $60 inc ship on Amazon | 03:01 |
| b-man | xnt: yes | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | check the Nokia website, under support | 03:01 |
| xnt | how? | 03:01 |
| b-man | suspend mode | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: USD? | 03:01 |
| pinback | yup | 03:01 |
| xnt | b-man: how fast is it? | 03:01 |
| xnt | ffrom on to suspens | 03:01 |
| b-man | pritty fast | 03:01 |
| xnt | * suspend | 03:01 |
| pinback | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HLWPGO | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: do you mean suspend as in s2ram, or "idle" like in Maemo | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: I think I saw that | 03:02 |
| jaem_N810 | it looked nice | 03:02 |
| xnt | so I can map it to the lock slider on my n810 to suspend? | 03:02 |
| jaem_N810 | but a bit more than I can afford right now | 03:02 |
| b-man | jeam: like in maemo | 03:02 |
| jaem_N810 | nice | 03:02 |
| pinback | I got an igo slim for $30 on sale once but they all seem to be ~$90 now | 03:02 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: it's jaem* :P | 03:02 |
| xnt | b-man: how long does your battery last in ubuntu? | 03:02 |
| * b-man can conferm ubuntu-desktop is broken in ubuntu 9.04 upstream btw :( | 03:02 | |
| pinback | bman: whats the plan with ubuntu-desktop? is there any hope? | 03:03 |
| xnt | :( | 03:03 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: someon on itT was selling an N800 bundle with the IGO | 03:03 |
| b-man | pinback: i'm shure it's just a temporary problem | 03:03 |
| jaem_N810 | I dropped him a PM to see if I could just get the kbd, but I haven't heard back | 03:03 |
| b-man | it'l be back ;) | 03:03 |
| pinback | apt0get update and retry? | 03:04 |
| * jaem_N810 's thumbs hurt :( | 03:04 | |
| b-man | lol | 03:04 |
| b-man | pinback: shure | 03:04 |
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| jaem_N810 | hmmm | 03:04 |
| * xnt does the same | 03:04 | |
| b-man | xnt: there's still definite hope | 03:04 |
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| xnt | b-man: what will happen if I reboot? | 03:05 |
| xnt | * boot into ubuntu | 03:05 |
| xnt | will I go to the shell? | 03:05 |
| b-man | you will see a splash | 03:06 |
| xnt | thats it? | 03:06 |
| b-man | but if you press home+menu you can go into the rescue menu to boot into the console | 03:06 |
| b-man | xnt: untill you get a desktop installed ;) | 03:07 |
| pinback | jaem: you can get a nice BT mini mouse for $9.99 right now | 03:07 |
| * xnt will try that :) | 03:07 | |
| b-man | :) | 03:07 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: where? | 03:08 |
| xnt | hopefully the ubuntu-desktop will be fixed soon :) | 03:08 |
| b-man | xnt: re; press home+power - sorry | 03:08 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: can I easily make the hw buttons do anything useful? | 03:08 |
| jaem_N810 | or do they already? | 03:08 |
| xnt | b-man: home button? | 03:08 |
| b-man | yes | 03:08 |
| xnt | do you mean the swap windows button? | 03:08 |
| pinback | http://thermaltakestore.com/year-end-sales.html - doh! all sold out - they were there this morning | 03:09 |
| b-man | yes | 03:09 |
| xnt | Im on an n810 | 03:09 |
| xnt | ok :) | 03:09 |
| wazd | I wonder why screen fades only on sub-hildon-menu in Maemo 5 | 03:10 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: are the hw keys just mapped to normal codes, or handled separately? | 03:11 |
| b-man | they're handled by xserver-xorg-input-evdev | 03:12 |
| b-man | +hal | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man the Ubuntu repos are slow. | 03:13 |
| jaem_N810 | GA: ports is, anyways | 03:13 |
| b-man | GeneralAntilles: ubuntu-desktop is broken in jaunty :( | 03:13 |
| jaem_N810 | they have some good mirrors for my area, normally | 03:13 |
| jaem_N810 | b-man: thanks | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been getting about 20-70KB/sec all day. | 03:13 |
| pinback | ubuntu-desktop dead dead dead | 03:14 |
| b-man | :( | 03:14 |
| jaem_N810 | GA: ouch - it's been around 120-400 for me | 03:14 |
| * b-man listens to his music | 03:14 | |
| jaem_N810 | but that's still slow, compared to what I'm used to | 03:14 |
| * jaem_N810 listens to b-man's music too | 03:14 | |
| b-man | lol | 03:15 |
| * jaem_N810 is not sure how he manages this | 03:15 | |
| * xnt turns on his surround sound system, and listens to his music | 03:15 | |
| b-man | "all amarican rejects gives you hell" | 03:15 |
| pinback | got any Motorhead? | 03:15 |
| b-man | nope | 03:16 |
| * jaem_N810 turns on his peizo buzzer, and cries at xnt's cruelty | 03:16 | |
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| xnt | jaem: moip (musicoverirc protocol :P | 03:16 |
| jaem_N810 | justt kidding - I have a respectable set of Logitech speakers, but nothing fancy | 03:16 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: can run that over IPoA? | 03:16 |
| * xnt has gone deaf, by listening to his music at insanely loud voumes | 03:17 | |
| b-man | lol | 03:17 |
| xnt | jaem: What? | 03:17 |
| b-man | ipod? :) | 03:17 |
| pinback | will kde-desktop work? | 03:17 |
| xnt | I cant hear you | 03:17 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt: google RFC 1149 | 03:17 |
| xnt | jaem : just kidding | 03:17 |
| jaem_N810 | pinback: if you wait a few minutes, I'll let you know | 03:17 |
| pinback | cool | 03:17 |
| * pinback likes fluxbox best | 03:18 | |
| b-man | xnt: you can see what i'm typing can't you? XD | 03:18 |
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| * xnt is using a screen reader , and has shut off his monitor | 03:19 | |
| xnt | :P | 03:19 |
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| jaem_N810 | it takes forever, so you may want to see how it works for me | 03:20 |
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| *** xnt` is now known as xnt | 03:20 | |
| pinback | Im surprised that Reuters didnt claim RFC 1149 violated their IP | 03:20 |
| jaem_N810 | oh? | 03:20 |
| jaem_N810 | why? | 03:20 |
| pinback | "Reuter saw there was an opportunity to speed up news service between Brussels and Berlin by using homing pigeons to bridge that gap in the telegraph lines." | 03:20 |
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| * xnt is bored | 03:20 | |
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| pinback | ended up in the largest digital network (outside of internet/military/academic) in the work | 03:21 |
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| sidnei | so what's the magic key combo to boot into ubuntu after running refresh_bootmenu.d and restarting? | 03:21 |
| pinback | s/work/world | 03:21 |
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| pinback | first data via pigeons => reuters | 03:21 |
| pinback | first data over undersea cable => reuters | 03:21 |
| pinback | first commercial data over satelite => reuters | 03:22 |
| jaem | oh really... | 03:22 |
| jaem | huh | 03:22 |
| pinback | all started with pigeons | 03:22 |
| jaem | that's actually rather interesting | 03:22 |
| Brian` | ~burn himself | 03:22 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 03:22 | |
| Brian` | lol | 03:22 |
| jaem | it's almost too bad, in a way, that they weren't sued... | 03:22 |
| jaem | if only because it would have made an awesome headline | 03:22 |
| xnt|bored | Brian`: lol | 03:22 |
| jaem | XD | 03:22 |
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| Brian` | lol | 03:22 |
| jaem | Brian`: wouldn't that create toxic fumes, that would make the marshmallows possibly unfit for human consumption? | 03:23 |
| jaem | or are we just burning infobot's bits | 03:23 |
| pinback | tehnically the pigoen thing was in prewar Germany and Reuters moved to London - that might have had something to do with it | 03:23 |
| Brian` | yes XD | 03:23 |
| jaem | and not they physical medium | 03:23 |
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| Brian` | but he's burning | 03:23 |
| Brian` | while eating marshmellows | 03:23 |
| jaem | gah | 03:23 |
| xnt|carfulbecaus | damn, they havea lmit on irc nicks | 03:23 |
| xnt|carfulbecaus | * length limit | 03:24 |
| jaem | man my thumbs were getting sore | 03:24 |
| xnt|carfulbecaus | ** limit | 03:24 |
| jaem | my laptop's wlan is having issues | 03:24 |
| pinback | they dont want nickflooding | 03:24 |
| jaem | or possibly it's NM's fault | 03:24 |
| jaem | anyhow, it took me a couple hours to remember that I keep 2x 30' cables around for a reason | 03:24 |
| Brian` | ~blow up | 03:24 |
| * infobot blows up | 03:24 | |
| * xnt|carfulbecaus uses an externel kb when he is on IRC with his n820, for extended periods of time | 03:24 | |
| xnt|carfulbecaus | *n810 | 03:24 |
| xnt|carfulbecaus | lol | 03:24 |
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| jaem | xnt: @n820 - you got my hopes up :( | 03:25 |
| jaem | lol | 03:25 |
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| xnt | lol | 03:25 |
| jaem | you know what I want? | 03:25 |
| sidnei | so home+power? | 03:25 |
| jaem | Openmoko, modded into a wrist-comptuer | 03:25 |
| xnt | sidnei: thats the recovery menu | 03:25 |
| jaem | that would be epic | 03:25 |
| xnt | but if you want to boot into a console you use that option | 03:26 |
| sidnei | xnt: oh. so does the boot menu come up automatically? or there's another combo? | 03:26 |
| jaem | there are only a couple of wrist computers out there, and they don't fit my taste | 03:26 |
| jaem | and the specs are lousy | 03:26 |
| xnt | you press the menu button | 03:26 |
| Brian` | infobot: attack everyone and everything | 03:26 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing everyone and everything | 03:26 | |
| jaem | and they cost a fortune | 03:26 |
| xnt | runs | 03:26 |
| Brian` | lol | 03:26 |
| sidnei | xnt: what's the menu button? | 03:26 |
| sidnei | xnt: erm, which one | 03:26 |
| xnt | are you on an n810 or n800 | 03:27 |
| jaem | infobot is female? | 03:27 |
| * infobot confuses all the nearby males | 03:27 | |
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| jaem | lol | 03:27 |
| Brian` | lol | 03:27 |
| jaem | that was a question | 03:27 |
| xnt | lol | 03:27 |
| jaem | that it apparently has provisions for | 03:27 |
| jaem | touche | 03:27 |
| Brian` | ~shag | 03:27 |
| * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) | 03:27 | |
| Brian` | XP | 03:27 |
| sidnei | xnt: n810 | 03:27 |
| xnt | slide out the keyboard, its there under the d-pad | 03:28 |
| sidnei | xnt: oh of course | 03:28 |
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| xnt | lol | 03:28 |
| Brian` | lol | 03:28 |
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| jaem | regarding the wrist computer I saw, if a handheld computer has a 3.5" *QVGA* screen, and not much else that's any better, I >do not< expect the price to say "contact our sales dept" | 03:28 |
| jaem | lol | 03:28 |
| Brian` | heh | 03:29 |
| xnt | lol | 03:29 |
| jaem | I'm waiting for a good one | 03:29 |
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| * xnt straps his n810 to his wrist, and uses that as a wrist computer | 03:30 | |
| jaem | it's too bad one-of runs are mind-bogglingly expensive... I'm in CompEng, after all, and by the time I'm done, trying to rework the Freerunner might be a reasonable goal | 03:30 |
| jaem | but getting it built would be ridiculous | 03:30 |
| jaem | xnt: yeah, but that doesn't work so well | 03:30 |
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| jaem | is there a Dasher input method available for Maemo? | 03:31 |
| jaem | I had completely forgot about Dasher, but I'vebeen wanting to try it on a touchscreen device for a while | 03:31 |
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| jaem | I think it's in the Ubuntu repos, but I was hoping for an integrated version, like the handwriting pad, and such | 03:32 |
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| jaem | pinback: it's till going to be a little while | 03:33 |
| jaem | there's a heck of a lot of packages in the kubuntu-desktop meta-package | 03:33 |
| jaem | which is why I advised you to wait :P | 03:33 |
| jaem | it will surely need to be slimmed down to run at all useably, if it will work well even then | 03:34 |
| jaem | we'll see | 03:34 |
| * jaem checks the plasma-mid commits agin | 03:34 | |
| jaem | again* | 03:34 |
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| Brian` | hay, qole :D | 03:35 |
| jaem | hey qole | 03:35 |
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| qole | hi all | 03:35 |
| xnt | hi qole | 03:36 |
| jaem | qole: regarding your post about UBC wifi, what type of encryption/auth do they use there? | 03:36 |
| jaem | I | 03:36 |
| jaem | I've only been down there once since I got my tablet | 03:36 |
| b-man | qole: it's been a while since you've been i irc | 03:36 |
| qole | hold on, i got a link | 03:37 |
| jaem | and I think that must have been while it was in for service, or I would have tried EDUROAM | 03:37 |
| qole | b-man: not a big fan of irc | 03:37 |
| jaem | qole: I am, but it can eat up SO much time... | 03:37 |
| qole | http://www.it.ubc.ca/internet/wireless/wpa/wirelesswpanokia.html | 03:39 |
| b-man | qloe: hehe | 03:39 |
| qole | jaem: that works for my n800 | 03:40 |
| jaem | ah... | 03:40 |
| * b-man needs to go - will be back in about 25-36 minutes | 03:40 | |
| jaem | yeah, we use TTLS-PAP | 03:40 |
| jaem | (at Sfoo, that is) | 03:40 |
| jaem | it's really annoying that Nokia doesn't seem to think that supporting that is a priority | 03:41 |
| qole | MS-CHAP | 03:41 |
| jaem | maybe it isn't the highest priority, but as my friend pointed out... it's an >internet< tablet | 03:41 |
| jaem | it should be able to connect to the internet by an common means | 03:41 |
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| jaem | oh well - Mer should support that, right? | 03:42 |
| jaem | qole: it would be more bearable if Maemo supported global SOCKS proxies | 03:42 |
| qole | meh, the NIT works at real universities | 03:42 |
| jaem | but most of the apps can't easily be tunneled | 03:42 |
| qole | ;) | 03:42 |
| * jaem glares at qole | 03:42 | |
| jaem | hehe | 03:42 |
| jaem | qole: what's your major? | 03:43 |
| qole | jaem: employee not student | 03:43 |
| pinback | still no ubuntu desktops? | 03:43 |
| * pinback is jumping in and out to watch Idol | 03:43 | |
| qole | tsocks can tunnel a lot of stuff, tho | 03:44 |
| neatojones | hey qole | 03:44 |
| neatojones | thanks for testing that e17 stuff | 03:44 |
| neatojones | Sorry, you didn't find the keyboard more useful. | 03:44 |
| jaem | qole: ah - my mistake | 03:44 |
| jaem | what's your job, in that case? | 03:44 |
| qole | neatojones, hi, I was just testing e17 as a replacement desktop | 03:44 |
| neatojones | It looks like it has a lot of potential. We just need to tweak it all a bit. | 03:44 |
| neatojones | yeah. | 03:45 |
| jaem | neatojones: are you using Illume, or normal E? | 03:45 |
| neatojones | Illume | 03:45 |
| jaem | it looked nice | 03:45 |
| neatojones | there's another keyboard available for normal illume | 03:45 |
| neatojones | but, it looks like a pretty version of the one mer is already using | 03:45 |
| jaem | can you put the slide-out whatchamacallits on the sides? | 03:45 |
| neatojones | huh? | 03:46 |
| neatojones | I just built ecore packages which I'm hoping will fix the 16bit issues. | 03:46 |
| neatojones | the 16bit libraries compiled...but I'm not sure if they made it into the debs or not (because I'm not sure what files I need to include) | 03:47 |
| jaem | I forget the E17 term, but I'm wondering if the panels that slide out from the top and bottom in the Illume demo video can be configured to appear on the left and right | 03:47 |
| neatojones | but, I'm pretty sure that is why the easy_e17 looks nicer than the debs | 03:47 |
| neatojones | I've not tried it, | 03:47 |
| neatojones | but I bet they could | 03:47 |
| jaem | hmm | 03:47 |
| jaem | methinks that might work better | 03:47 |
| neatojones | basically...android | 03:47 |
| neatojones | I mentioned that to Raster | 03:48 |
| neatojones | -the main e develop | 03:48 |
| neatojones | developer* | 03:48 |
| jaem | admittedly, I haven't tried it yet, but the demo I saw was on the Freerunner, and given the difference in form-factor | 03:48 |
| neatojones | he said he was planning on doing some stuff like that and overhauling illume | 03:48 |
| jaem | yeah, I know who Raster is | 03:48 |
| jaem | whata was that about Android, though? | 03:48 |
| jaem | oh, nice | 03:48 |
| jaem | it looks like it could be an awesome phone UI | 03:48 |
| neatojones | Well, checkout qoles screenshots | 03:48 |
| jaem | although I like my N810 more desktopy | 03:48 |
| neatojones | I think it does better in portrait | 03:49 |
| jaem | qole: are they on your flickr page? | 03:49 |
| neatojones | just need to make the keyboard bigger | 03:49 |
| jaem | neatojones: that's what I was getting at | 03:49 |
| neatojones | we don't have xrandr support yet in mer :( | 03:49 |
| qole | jaem: yes | 03:49 |
| neatojones | qole...did you see the page I linked to on iTT? | 03:49 |
| neatojones | it tells how to make custom keyboards | 03:49 |
| neatojones | I think we can make a custom one that will work better | 03:49 |
| neatojones | honestly, the landscape keyboard takes up less space on mine than the maemo one does. | 03:50 |
| neatojones | I can see a whole lot more screen when it's up. But I see the problem with scrolling too | 03:50 |
| neatojones | the main problem with it, to me, is that you haev to keep opening and closing it. | 03:50 |
| neatojones | so, I turned off the animations and that makes it all go a bit faster. | 03:51 |
| qole | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/ | 03:51 |
| qole | why's my Illume keyboard so fat, then? | 03:52 |
| qole | Way bigger than Maemo stylus kbd | 03:52 |
| neatojones | I'm referring to this one: http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:aUGNGDaQcsqhAM:http://pocketables.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/16/nokia_n800_thumboard.jpg | 03:54 |
| neatojones | qole: did you try switching to the terminal keyboard? | 03:54 |
| neatojones | I don't remember how much space it takes up. | 03:54 |
| neatojones | I actually prefer the terminal keyboard | 03:54 |
| xnt | what would happen if I removed the deblet bootmenu and installed the mer one, Im installing Mer on my Spare SD | 03:54 |
| qole | neatojones: same size, more keys | 03:55 |
| jaem | xnt: the sun would implode, obviously | 03:55 |
| jaem | why even ask | 03:55 |
| neatojones | qole: you must not be referring to the same one as I am (see the link I posted) | 03:55 |
| xnt | sooooo, will mer boot of of my deblet menu? | 03:55 |
| neatojones | re: the maemo onscreen keyboard | 03:55 |
| * xnt is bored of maemo | 03:56 | |
| * jaem is too | 03:56 | |
| * xnt wants mer | 03:56 | |
| xnt | +ubuntu | 03:56 |
| qole | I'm really looking fwd to Mer .11, with more Fremantle UI | 03:56 |
| * jaem wants a KDE mobile edition | 03:56 | |
| jaem | or mor | 03:56 |
| jaem | mer* | 03:56 |
| jaem | or both | 03:56 |
| xnt | qole: same here :P | 03:57 |
| jaem | QUADRUPLE BOOT! | 03:57 |
| * jaem will have to get some bigger SD cards | 03:57 | |
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| * xnt wants 32gb sd for maemo(cloned)+nitdroid+ubuntu+mer+kde(pb's) | 03:58 | |
| xnt | jaem: would mer boot on my deblet bootmenu? | 03:59 |
| jaem | yeah | 03:59 |
| * xnt installs mer | 03:59 | |
| jaem | xnt: as long as you write up the *.item properly, I would assume so | 03:59 |
| jaem | I'm not entirely sure what the bootmenu situation is | 03:59 |
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| xnt | I wish that stskeeps was here to clarify | 04:00 |
| * xnt doesn't want to screw up his nit | 04:01 | |
| jaem | say, I saw a package available for Arch that would allow you to feed an arbitrary video stream into Skype... is it possible to make the N810 serve as a networked webcam? | 04:01 |
| neatojones | jaem: Try going over to #e on freenode and make a request for side shelfs instead of top/bottom | 04:01 |
| neatojones | while your at it, as how we can change the onscreen keyboard size ;P | 04:02 |
| jaem | neatojones: willdo | 04:02 |
| pinback | anyone got an ubuntu desktop yet? | 04:02 |
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| neatojones | thanks | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | i'm back | 04:02 |
| xnt | jaem: yeah, I saw a gstreamer tut on the wiki, but it was slow | 04:02 |
| xnt | hi bman | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | hi, xnt | 04:02 |
| xnt | b-man: can I boot mer on my deblet bootmenu? | 04:03 |
| pinback | bman: still no desktops here - do you have any? | 04:03 |
| xnt | pinback: no still broken | 04:03 |
| b-man16 | nope :( | 04:03 |
| * b-man16 thinks that it could be ubuntu's servers | 04:04 | |
| neatojones | qole: The lack of a good option for a menu in e17 is a drawback too. | 04:04 |
| neatojones | Let me know if you come up with any good alternatives to gnome-menus | 04:04 |
| pinback | is the repo down or are the packes missing? | 04:04 |
| pinback | *packages | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | i think that the repo is partly down | 04:04 |
| Shadow__X | i want to rsync my old home directory back to my n810 but i need to avoid the remote filessyten folder would rsync source dest --ignore=/Mydocs/Remote_filesystem be it | 04:05 |
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| b-man16 | xnt: yes | 04:06 |
| xnt | thanks | 04:06 |
| * xnt continues installing mer | 04:07 | |
| Shadow__X | b-man, that look right | 04:07 |
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| b-man16 | i'm not quite shure, i haven't used rsynk | 04:08 |
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| pinback | rsync can use tar style -exclude /Mydocs/Remote_filesystem | 04:10 |
| pinback | regular Linux rsync anyway | 04:10 |
| Shadow__X | ah ok | 04:10 |
| pinback | http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/10/10/rsync-exclude-files-and-folders | 04:11 |
| * b-man wonders what the ubuntu jaunty people are up to with the repo | 04:12 | |
| * xnt had to dig through 38 tar archives to get the mer bootmenu.d files :P | 04:12 | |
| xnt | * tar and debfiles | 04:12 |
| b-man | hmm | 04:13 |
| xnt | damn | 04:13 |
| xnt | I didn't find it :( | 04:13 |
| xnt | does anyone have the mer bootmenu.d file? | 04:14 |
| * b-man grabs one | 04:14 | |
| xnt | b-man, d you have it? | 04:14 |
| pinback | I guess we can try this if we cant get the desktop up: http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=74 | 04:14 |
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| b-man | xnt: i'll pastebin one for you | 04:15 |
| xnt | thanks | 04:15 |
| xnt | pinback: lol | 04:16 |
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| pinback | lol, or this: http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/ | 04:17 |
| b-man | xnt: http://pastebin.ca/1364862 | 04:17 |
| b-man | meow.org.... lol XD | 04:18 |
| xnt | thanks :) | 04:18 |
| b-man | np :) | 04:18 |
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| z4chh | alright guys what do you think of this project idea...an app with GUI in a similar style to that of liqbase that can be used to monitor all of the systems on your network...you get updates on cpu usage, processes, ram usage, etc.. | 04:21 |
| jaem | pinback: that's amazing - I'll have to try that sometime | 04:22 |
| pinback | I wrote a proprietary realtime monitoring system for a large linux deployment not so long ago | 04:22 |
| z4chh | pinback, cool :D ..maybe i can come to you for pointers? | 04:23 |
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| pinback | sure :-) Im not on IRC much tho | 04:24 |
| pinback | you can get a ton of interesting stuff from /proc | 04:24 |
| z4chh | imagine little icons with the machine host name at the bottom..you click..and up pops up something similar to conky for that system...you can config what to monitor, view | 04:24 |
| z4chh | for example hah | 04:25 |
| pinback | as well as the usual CPU, nenory, disk, interrupt type stuff you can also get socket receive/transmit queues, Kernel I/O stats, etc. etc. | 04:25 |
| z4chh | i had pidgin with 94% cpu usage on my laptop...i didn't know it until my machine got warm/hot...if i had this app i could monitor it and possibly kill the process | 04:26 |
| jaem | pinback: my tablet didn't like installing that many packages at once, and rebooted itself >_< | 04:26 |
| jaem | need more swap | 04:26 |
| xnt | http://xceleo.com/ascii.png mplayer aa lol | 04:26 |
| pinback | doh! | 04:26 |
| z4chh | would anyone want to install an app like that? >.< | 04:28 |
| jaem | z4chh: I think it's a good idea, although I'm not sure if I would personally have much of a use for it on a tablet | 04:28 |
| jaem | only because I'm in and out of wifi so often that it would be less useful | 04:29 |
| jaem | but I'd say go for it | 04:29 |
| z4chh | :D | 04:29 |
| jaem | oh wait | 04:29 |
| jaem | I may have misread | 04:29 |
| jaem | were you suggesting an "info center" app for the tablet, or a way to remotely monitor other machines? | 04:29 |
| pinback | Actually I found it pretty interesting when I did it - you find all sorts of interesting things | 04:29 |
| pinback | i.e. ls -al /proc/<pid>/fd shows you all the open files and sockets for a process | 04:30 |
| * jaem just remembered something amusing, but can't remember where it came from | 04:31 | |
| pinback | just like lsof but nowhere near as expensive | 04:31 |
| z4chh | i was thinking of a system monitor type app. | 04:31 |
| pinback | system monitoring is really easy... | 04:31 |
| z4chh | what do you mean info center? o.o | 04:31 |
| jaem | "checking if build environment is sane. build environment is grinning and holding a spatula - guess not." -- was that from xkcd's alt text at some point? | 04:31 |
| neatojones | jaem: It sometimes runs out of memory and reboots. Try using more swap or activating it if it isn't already | 04:32 |
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| jaem | z4chh: I was asking if you were making an app that would give information about the local machine (e.g. tablet), or one to remotely monitor other machines (e.g. servers, etc.) | 04:32 |
| jaem | neatojones: I have 256MB as it is... I thought that would be enough :O | 04:32 |
| jaem | lol | 04:32 |
| z4chh | i would say both | 04:32 |
| jaem | I'm finishing it up nowe | 04:32 |
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| jaem | z4chh: then I probably would use it | 04:32 |
| neatojones | Yeah. I found that I need like 350 to not have that problem | 04:32 |
| z4chh | because id like to monitor all my machines on my network | 04:32 |
| neatojones | I used to use 256, but it crashed it bit on installs. | 04:33 |
| neatojones | and upgrades | 04:33 |
| neatojones | Now, I'm using e17 and it loads a full desktop using 32Mb or ram and swap... | 04:33 |
| neatojones | so I deactivated swap | 04:33 |
| neatojones | :) | 04:33 |
| jaem | z4chh: are you thinking of writing your own server for that, or piggybacking on existing ones? I'm not sure about GNOME, etc, but I KDE's Sytem Guard has a remote monitoring daemon | 04:33 |
| jaem | neatojones: nice! | 04:33 |
| neatojones | yeah. Raster claims he can start his with only 12Mb | 04:34 |
| jaem | wowz | 04:34 |
| jaem | wait - for E17, or total system usage? | 04:34 |
| z4chh | id probably write my own server daemon that runs on the remote systems..and the nxxo would be the client | 04:34 |
| neatojones | ...I might be ablet o get close to that if I turned off all but the necessary modules and bluetooth etc | 04:34 |
| neatojones | total | 04:34 |
| jaem | my goodness | 04:34 |
| neatojones | e17 plus system | 04:34 |
| jaem | heck -that would even run on my old Palm | 04:35 |
| neatojones | it does. | 04:35 |
| jaem | do you know if OpenEmbedded has Illume in it yet? | 04:35 |
| jaem | I haven't dealt with OE in quite a while | 04:35 |
| neatojones | he showed it off when it was brand new on a Treo 650 | 04:35 |
| neatojones | which only has 32megs of ram | 04:35 |
| neatojones | No. | 04:35 |
| neatojones | I haev to make my own debs. No one has packages of e17 that are up to date enough :( | 04:35 |
| xnt | http://xceleo.com/tb.png :P , got the script from meow.org | 04:36 |
| neatojones | it's killing me too, because there are a LOT of packages. | 04:36 |
| jaem | I meant, is it in the build system for OE | 04:36 |
| jaem | I'd have to make my own image anyways | 04:36 |
| pinback | The following /proc files give you a bunch of excellent system stats: /proc/net/dev, /proc/stat, /proc/net/snmp, /proc/diskstats, /proc/meminfo | 04:36 |
| neatojones | and I'm not familiar enough with deb packaging or e17 | 04:36 |
| * jaem hates debian packages | 04:36 | |
| jaem | they're too fiddly | 04:36 |
| jaem | and too much work | 04:36 |
| neatojones | so, it's going slow | 04:36 |
| neatojones | but, I think* I might have gotten somewhere now. | 04:37 |
| xnt | lol | 04:37 |
| xnt | pinback: check out the screenshot, lol kcabnip | 04:37 |
| xnt | b-man: check it out too, lol nam-b | 04:38 |
| pinback | z4chh: just stuff all the stats into a UDP packet and multicast it once every few seconds - no need for servers unless you want to collect - otherwise you end up with ganglia | 04:38 |
| jaem | wow: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/fujitsu-melts-faces-and-wallets-with-flepia-the-first-color-e-b/ | 04:38 |
| pinback | 1.8sec wipe | 04:39 |
| xnt | lol | 04:39 |
| xnt | brb | 04:39 |
| pinback | thats slower than vino | 04:39 |
| jaem | well, yeah, but it's still a pretty hot device | 04:39 |
| z4chh | pinback, ahh interesting, ill have to read up on tcp/ip sockets ;p | 04:39 |
| jaem | not suitable as a general computer, but with those kind of specs, it would be great for some things | 04:40 |
| jaem | it's just a bit much to pay for something that's only good for "some things" | 04:40 |
| pinback | z4chh: for socket info cat /proc/net/tcp or /proc/net/udp | 04:40 |
| pinback | z4chh: for easy publishing check out perl IO::Socket::Multicast | 04:41 |
| jaem | brb | 04:41 |
| pinback | or if you are into C - multicast is the same as UDP it just uses IP addresses in the range 224.0.0.0 .. 239.255.255.255 | 04:42 |
| pinback | ping 227.0.0.1 will do a multicast ping | 04:42 |
| z4chh | pinback, ill probably use c | 04:43 |
| pinback | actually pinging 227.0.0.1 will send a ping that will be received by all computers just like a broadcast because 227.0.0.1 has the same multicast MAC as 224.0.0.1 which every computer joins on every interface | 04:43 |
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| pinback | pinging 227.0.0.2 or any other address will go only to those who joined the group (assuming your routers/switch supports igmp snooping) | 04:44 |
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| z4chh | why not broadcast? :p | 04:46 |
| pinback | That works fine as long as you dont flood :-) | 04:47 |
| pinback | Code to send UDP datagram: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/data/6/client_udp.c | 04:47 |
| pinback | Code to receive: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/data/6/server_udp.c | 04:47 |
| xnt | b-man: what computer do you have? | 04:47 |
| RST38h | back | 04:47 |
| b-man | xnt: i'm currently using my parent's Acer - but like i said, i'm getting a dell | 04:49 |
| xnt | b-man: ok :) | 04:49 |
| * b-man is chatting from his N800 though | 04:49 | |
| pinback | z4chh: BTW - if you stick a timestamp in the data you can also check if any of your clocks are out | 04:49 |
| pinback | so, sit in loop - read /proc format some stats (i.e. ASCII) and then fire a datagram, then sleep and repeat | 04:49 |
| xnt | ok people I have to go to sleep, but ill try to install xchat on my n810, and go on after my parents go to sleep :) | 04:50 |
| b-man | lol | 04:50 |
| pinback | nite xnt: try not to dream of desktops | 04:50 |
| z4chh | pinback, ill take note of this points, thanks :) | 04:50 |
| b-man | see you latter xnt | 04:51 |
| xnt | sayanora (if you don't know what that means, google it :) ) I'll probally dream of me typing in apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it working :), nite | 04:51 |
| pinback | b-man are you running ubuntu right now? | 04:51 |
| * pinback is jealous | 04:51 | |
| b-man | yes | 04:51 |
| pinback | I prefer saki | 04:51 |
| xnt | lol | 04:52 |
| b-man | hehe | 04:52 |
| pinback | xnt: hopefully it will have finished installing by the time you wake up | 04:52 |
| * xnt steals b-man's n800, and locks his bedroom door :P | 04:52 | |
| xnt | nite | 04:52 |
| * b-man breaks down the door | 04:52 | |
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| luke-jr | WAIT | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | I didn't get to tell xnt | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | he spelled sayoonara wrong | 04:53 |
| b-man | lol | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | ☹ | 04:53 |
| b-man | XD | 04:53 |
| pinback | you've been drinking too much of that stuff | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | are bots allowed here? | 04:54 |
| b-man | ~infobot | 04:54 |
| infobot | [infobot] me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. gogogodzilla's pet | 04:54 |
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| luke-jr | ]later tell xnt you spelled sayoonara wrong, fyi | 04:55 |
| ljrbot | luke-jr: The operation succeeded. | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | ^^ | 04:55 |
| b-man | lol | 04:55 |
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| pinback | Im out as well - thx for the help - I;ll be back - need my desktop ;-) ttfn | 04:56 |
| jaem | pinback: it finished installing | 04:56 |
| pinback | ooooo | 04:56 |
| pinback | ? | 04:56 |
| pinback | and...? | 04:56 |
| jaem | I just have to clean up some stuff, and we'll see | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | someone remind me to have ljrbot part once xnt gets his msg | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 04:56 |
| pinback | boot it | 04:56 |
| pinback | how much swap did you use? | 04:56 |
| jaem | I'll need a minute | 04:56 |
| jaem | I have 256MB | 04:56 |
| jaem | it wasn't quite enough | 04:56 |
| pinback | ok thats fine I have about double that | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | :O | 04:57 |
| * jaem may need more | 04:57 | |
| luke-jr | what do you guys think of the new Linux mascot? | 04:57 |
| jaem | ? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | Tuz | 04:57 |
| jaem | um? | 04:57 |
| jaem | I didn't hear | 04:57 |
| jaem | are you serious | 04:57 |
| b-man | ???? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=8032b526d1a3bd91ad633dd3a3b5fdbc47ad54f1 | 04:57 |
| b-man | Tuzzzzzzz | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | he's a tasmanian devil | 04:58 |
| jaem | woah | 04:58 |
| b-man | like taz!! | 04:58 |
| jaem | Tux is on vacation? | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | b-man: Tuz | 04:58 |
| b-man | shure. | 04:59 |
| pinback | trippy: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3217510322_572b94a3cb.jpg | 05:00 |
| pinback | http://www.flickr.com/photos/x_jamesmorris/3213367817/ | 05:01 |
| jaem | pinback: here goes... | 05:02 |
| * pinback crosses his fingers & toes | 05:02 | |
| jaem | I can has Kubuntu bootsplash? | 05:03 |
| jaem | b-man: whose work is the bootsplash, anyway? | 05:03 |
| jaem | is that upstream? | 05:03 |
| pinback | got spash? | 05:03 |
| b-man | mine :D | 05:03 |
| jaem | it's nice :D | 05:03 |
| jaem | but it's not blue :( | 05:03 |
| b-man | thanks :D | 05:03 |
| b-man | ? | 05:03 |
| jaem | seriously, though - it's awesome | 05:03 |
| jaem | but there's no Kubuntu splash | 05:04 |
| jaem | lol | 05:04 |
| pinback | whats it doing? | 05:04 |
| jaem | well, I don't know how well it will work | 05:04 |
| jaem | it's booting | 05:04 |
| jaem | slowly | 05:04 |
| jaem | it takes a bit | 05:04 |
| jaem | s/bit/while/ | 05:04 |
| infobot | jaem meant: it takes a while | 05:04 |
| jaem | s/a while/eternity less one day/ | 05:04 |
| b-man | jaem: what desktop env did you install? | 05:04 |
| jaem | KDE4 | 05:05 |
| jaem | to try out | 05:05 |
| b-man | nice | 05:05 |
| jaem | almost done booting | 05:05 |
| jaem | b-man: methinks I will have to slim it down a lot | 05:05 |
| b-man | did you enable swap | 05:05 |
| jaem | *buntu isn't bloated, by any means, but it's no featherweight, either | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | does anyone make actual RAM MicroSD? | 05:05 |
| jaem | yes | 05:05 |
| b-man | k :) | 05:05 |
| jaem | ooh.... we have Oxygen busy cursor | 05:05 |
| jaem | we have Air background | 05:05 |
| jaem | KDM loaded | 05:05 |
| b-man | nice | 05:06 |
| jaem | touchscreen is inoperative, though :( | 05:06 |
| pinback | doh! | 05:06 |
| jaem | is there an easy way to open a console with the hardware keys available? | 05:06 |
| jaem | pinback: that may be my fault | 05:06 |
| jaem | I had a minimal install, and I was messing with some things | 05:06 |
| jaem | and then I forot what I did by the time today rolled around | 05:06 |
| jaem | lol | 05:07 |
| b-man | jaem: rescue-menu ;) | 05:07 |
| * b-man is just glad his new sys-env install method is working :) | 05:07 | |
| jaem | lol | 05:07 |
| jaem | Fn still isn't working | 05:08 |
| jaem | hmmz | 05:08 |
| pinback | ok, Im out - gl with kubuntu - hopefully the repos will be back for gnome tomorrow | 05:08 |
| jaem | that was fixed, wasn't it? | 05:08 |
| pinback | nite | 05:08 |
| jaem | pinback: cheers | 05:08 |
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| jaem | logging in | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/27/1322239 | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | can we use this? | 05:10 |
| jaem | it looks quite interesting | 05:12 |
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| jaem | hmm... well, plasma didn't load | 05:12 |
| jaem | darn | 05:12 |
| * jaem reboots | 05:12 | |
| jaem | oh right | 05:12 |
| jaem | b-man: can I set up the power button to control the power settings in KDE? | 05:13 |
| jaem | for example, to bring up the Leave/Shutdown dialog | 05:13 |
| b-man | shure | 05:13 |
| jaem | I was asking about that earlier... are they all just normal keys, then? | 05:14 |
| jaem | or are some of them handled specially? | 05:14 |
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| b-man | i'm not 100% shure | 05:14 |
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| sisto_n810 | hi | 05:22 |
| * Xnt_n800 is using b-mans n800 | 05:23 | |
| Xnt_n800 | hey all | 05:23 |
| sisto_n810 | nice :) | 05:23 |
| sisto_n810 | hi | 05:23 |
| Xnt_n800 | brb | 05:24 |
| * sisto_n810 is using his own n810 | 05:24 | |
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| Xnt_n800 | hey bman | 05:25 |
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| Xnt_n800 | youthere | 05:26 |
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| * Xnt_n800 hares | 05:26 | |
| Xnt_n800 | sorry | 05:26 |
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| jaem | b-man: framebuffer console doesn't work - it just loads KDM | 05:30 |
| Xnt_n800 | sorry about that | 05:31 |
| Xnt_n800 | i hate the soft kb | 05:31 |
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| Xnt_n800 | if i don't respond that means im hiding my n8x0 from my parents, and acting asleep :P btw b-man, now i know how n800 users suffer from lack of hw kb :) | 05:33 |
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| Xnt_n810 | is anyone here? | 05:37 |
| jaem | yep | 05:38 |
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| Xnt_n810 | lol now i know how n800 user feel with no hw keyboard | 05:46 |
| Xnt_n810 | ignore any typos | 05:46 |
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| jaem | waht, yoi mesn lkie tish? | 05:48 |
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| Xnt_n810 | lol | 05:54 |
| jaem_afk | who are you laughing at? I'm not here | 05:55 |
| jaem_afk | ostensibly, anyway | 05:55 |
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| jaem | Xnt_n810: ping! | 06:00 |
| Xnt_n810 | pong | 06:00 |
| jaem | I figured out what half of my problem was | 06:00 |
| jaem | 1) it was loading plasma... just slowly | 06:00 |
| jaem | (no login splash) | 06:01 |
| Xnt_n810 | jaem: connect, to irc.hak5.org, #hak5 | 06:01 |
| jaem | 2) I had installed the base system before b-man had finished the repos, so I was missing some rather important pacakges :P | 06:01 |
| Xnt_n810 | what kde | 06:01 |
| jaem | Xnt_n810: I know of it, but why now in particular? | 06:01 |
| jaem | v4.2.1 | 06:01 |
| Xnt_n810 | im on it readin slashdot | 06:02 |
| jaem | sorry? | 06:02 |
| Xnt_n810 | just join it | 06:03 |
| jaem | okay... | 06:03 |
| Xnt_n810 | comcast leaked 8000 passwords :P | 06:03 |
| jaem | oh my | 06:03 |
| jaem | they would be interested in that | 06:03 |
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| jaem | Xnt_n810: did b-man write an update how-to? I just want to make sure I didn't do anything else wrong | 06:08 |
| Xnt_n810 | not yet | 06:09 |
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| jaem | Xnt_n810: sys-env-x is the new metapackage, right? | 06:13 |
| jaem | anything else I need, aside from that and what's mentioned in the how-to? | 06:13 |
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| Xnt_n810 | yea | 06:18 |
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| Xnt_n810 | well i don't know, :p im waiting for the ubuntu-desktop to be fixed | 06:20 |
| jaem | why would you, when you could install Kubuntu-desktop :P | 06:21 |
| jaem | gah - I'm starving | 06:21 |
| jaem | I'll bbiab | 06:21 |
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| qole | 9:30pm here | 06:31 |
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| jaem | here as well | 06:34 |
| jaem | what a coincedence | 06:34 |
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| qole | well, not really | 06:34 |
| jaem | .) | 06:34 |
| jaem | ;)* | 06:34 |
| jaem | qole: I've got KDE4 more-or-less kind of working | 06:34 |
| qole | sadly, you're on Shaw :( | 06:35 |
| jaem | sadly? | 06:35 |
| jaem | why? | 06:35 |
| jaem | it actually runs at a speed from this decade | 06:35 |
| jaem | what is the cause of your sorrow? | 06:35 |
| qole | another one lost to coax... | 06:36 |
| jaem | lol | 06:36 |
| qole | another blow to the copper pair | 06:36 |
| jaem | lol | 06:36 |
| jaem | well, would you rather have 6Mbps or 15Mbps, if they're only a few dollars different in price? | 06:37 |
| jaem | last I checked, anyway | 06:37 |
| qole | huh? 35 vs 51 per month? | 06:37 |
| * jaem checks his facts | 06:38 | |
| qole | I don't have cable TV, see. Not since ever. | 06:38 |
| Xnt_n810 | qole:12:39pm here | 06:39 |
| jaem | oh wow... Telus' prices are almost reasonable | 06:39 |
| jaem | or would be, if they didn't fail in other ways :S | 06:40 |
| jaem | still, though, it's $30/month for "1.5 to 6Mbps" | 06:40 |
| jaem | so... what speed would I /actually/ get , I wonder? | 06:40 |
| jaem | or, I could get Shaw student plan for $32/month | 06:40 |
| qole | Xnt_n810, I don't understand, are you in HI? | 06:40 |
| jaem | which is 15Mbps with powerboost | 06:40 |
| qole | nice | 06:41 |
| jaem | at least they've realized that they have to lower their prices | 06:41 |
| Xnt_n810 | no in ny | 06:41 |
| jaem | but it sounds like you're still getting inferior prices | 06:41 |
| jaem | huh | 06:41 |
| jaem | s/prices/service/ | 06:41 |
| qole | In practice, my Telus speeds are comparable to my father's Shaw speeds | 06:42 |
| * jaem is not convinced | 06:42 | |
| jaem | I've had very bad experiences with Telus | 06:42 |
| jaem | and nothing could convince me to use their services | 06:42 |
| jaem | also, they're on a contract, so they're out right there | 06:42 |
| qole | Xnt_n810, then it is AM there, not PM | 06:42 |
| jaem | and they bundle their modems into the most useless route I have ever seen | 06:43 |
| Xnt_n810 | im sleepy,lol im not thinking straight | 06:43 |
| jaem | which they ship in the least possible secure state | 06:43 |
| jaem | gah | 06:43 |
| jaem | don't get me started | 06:43 |
| Xnt_n810 | :P | 06:43 |
| jaem | according to the call center rep, I'm >paying< to get >free< incoming text messages | 06:44 |
| qole | I'm still using my sturdy old mid-90s 3Com DSL modem | 06:44 |
| jaem | I asked the guy how that made any kind of sense, and he sheepishly admitted that it didn't | 06:44 |
| Xnt_n810 | im on prepaid, but no data :( | 06:44 |
| qole | I don't have a cell either, their mobile service might be crap | 06:44 |
| jaem | my phone isn't even worth paying for data | 06:44 |
| jaem | qole: oh, believe me, it is | 06:45 |
| jaem | half the mountain has poor reception, and some parts have none | 06:45 |
| qole | Ah, my wife has prepaid from Telus. $11 something a month, after tax | 06:45 |
| jaem | if I'm at the residence bus stop (far West), and a car drives by, my signal will often drope | 06:45 |
| Xnt_n810 | jaem: your in austraila? | 06:45 |
| jaem | no - BC, Canada | 06:45 |
| Xnt_n810 | oh ok | 06:46 |
| qole | we live about 45 minutes apart | 06:46 |
| jaem | yeah | 06:46 |
| Xnt_n810 | i forgot :P | 06:46 |
| jaem | well, a bit more by bus | 06:46 |
| qole | :D | 06:46 |
| jaem | qole: did you attend RMS' lecture a few weeks ago? | 06:46 |
| qole | I'm 8 minutes from the Broadway skytrain station | 06:47 |
| jaem | ah | 06:47 |
| qole | so you could probably get on that | 06:47 |
| qole | 8 min walk | 06:48 |
| jaem | hmm | 06:48 |
| qole | no, I wish I had gone to the RMS talk | 06:48 |
| jaem | it was interesting | 06:48 |
| qole | I bet. He's such a hard-ass about freedom | 06:49 |
| jaem | unfortunately, someone disregarded a note on a box, and sold a plush GNU that was meant to be auctioned | 06:49 |
| qole | free as in freedom | 06:49 |
| jaem | rms was quite cut up | 06:49 |
| jaem | yeah | 06:49 |
| jaem | I agree with him in many regards, but I think he takes things too far a lot of the time | 06:50 |
| qole | ha! screwed by capitalism again! | 06:50 |
| qole | waaaaay too far | 06:50 |
| jaem | that said, we wouldn't be chatting here right now if he hadn't been aroubd, so.... | 06:50 |
| qole | true | 06:50 |
| * jaem imagines a world without N810s | 06:51 | |
| * jaem shudders | 06:51 | |
| * Xnt_n810 winces | 06:51 | |
| fireun | fennec free! | 06:51 |
| qole | It takes a few extremists to make a place for the moderates | 06:51 |
| jaem | lol | 06:51 |
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| jaem | well put | 06:51 |
| Mousey | lol | 06:52 |
| Mousey | DEATH TO EXTREMISTS! | 06:52 |
| jaem | DEATH TO HYPOCRITS! | 06:52 |
| qole | No suicides on this channel please. | 06:52 |
| Xnt_n810 | lol | 06:52 |
| jaem | actually, I've always been of the opinion that hypocrits often have really good advice, but no one listens to them because, well... they're hypocrits | 06:53 |
| * Mousey imagines a world where the n900 has an accelerometer, good gps, hardware keyboard, two SDXC slots, 3D acceleration, and a choice of cel radios.. oh and 64gb internal | 06:53 | |
| qole | I'm typing slowly because I'm lying in bed using my N800 | 06:53 |
| Xnt_n810 | same here except n810 | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's an SDXC slot? | 06:53 |
| Mousey | oh and 800x600 | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4:3? :shudder: | 06:54 |
| * jaem imagines the N900 having all that, and coming with a linux-based UAV for free | 06:54 | |
| jaem | blech | 06:54 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: it's after SDHC, SDXC ranges from 32GB-2TB | 06:54 |
| qole | uav? | 06:54 |
| jaem | 5:4 is where it's at ;) | 06:54 |
| Mousey | jaem: lol uav | 06:54 |
| jaem | qole: Unmanned Aerial Vehicle | 06:54 |
| jaem | drone | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, slots come in "SD", "MiniSD" and "MicroSD". :) | 06:54 |
| Mousey | yes, but those are form factors, where HC and XC refer to capacities | 06:54 |
| * jaem wants a 2TB pico-SD card | 06:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, yes, and capacity has nothing at all to do with formfactor. | 06:55 |
| Mousey | it does when you want to stick a card in there that isn't supported =P | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | SD, SDHC, and SDXC are all software-only changes. | 06:55 |
| Mousey | on the slot side maybe | 06:55 |
| * Xnt_n810 wants a 8EB nanosdcard | 06:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | So talking about the slot as "SDXC" is kinda meaningless. | 06:55 |
| qole | I've actually pondered hooking one of those $35 foam airplanes up to a computer | 06:55 |
| Mousey | and that's fine with me =) | 06:55 |
| jaem | Xnt_n810: I'm waiting for the 64YB cards :P | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, current tablets support the important part of SDXC just fine. | 06:55 |
| Xnt_n810 | :P | 06:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | _All_ Linux devices with SDHC support do, in fact. | 06:56 |
| * jaem can't remember the next multiplier | 06:56 | |
| jaem | yay | 06:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's just exFAT that's the stumbling point. | 06:56 |
| Mousey | haha, FAT | 06:56 |
| Mousey | that was funny | 06:56 |
| Mousey | FAT | 06:56 |
| Mousey | the 90s called, they want their filesystem back! | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as you're not planning on using it in a non-Linux machine, then that's not an issue. | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | exFAT is recent. | 06:57 |
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| jaem | I don't know what's running on this Kubuntu install, but it *hammering* at my tablet | 06:57 |
| Xnt_n810 | isn't that vista's so called fat64? | 06:57 |
| jaem | the thing is burning up | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xnt_n810, yes, exFAT/FAT64. Same thing. | 06:57 |
| Xnt_n810 | jaem: lol, | 06:57 |
| jaem | it's called ObesityOS - following the core design principles of Vista | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not all that similar to FAT16/32. | 06:57 |
| jaem | FS* | 06:57 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, nice to see you're still up | 06:58 |
| Xnt_n810 | ga: ok (too lazy to type your name on soft kb, sorry :P) | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | qole, trying to get Ubuntu to play nice is like pounding my head into a brick wall. | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, unfortunately, unconsciousness is escaping me. | 06:58 |
| jaem | GA: is the brick wall FOSS? | 06:58 |
| qole | XChat has the cool Tab-completion thing | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, I'm far to busy ramming my head into it to read its license. | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/to/too/ | 06:59 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: jaem, I'm far too busy ramming my head into it to read its license. | 06:59 |
| jaem | um... | 06:59 |
| jaem | my Nokia charger just started making strange noises | 06:59 |
| jaem | that can't be good | 06:59 |
| qole | I type, Gen-TAB and I get... | 06:59 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, see? | 06:59 |
| jaem | when it's plugged in, it's making a sort of whirring, whining noise | 07:00 |
| jaem | it doesn't sound quite like the Targus adapter that trashed my laptop's motherboard | 07:00 |
| jaem | but it doesn't sound good :S | 07:00 |
| qole | jaem, watch for smoke, sniff for 'that smell' | 07:00 |
| jaem | ah, the Magic Smoke | 07:01 |
| jaem | well, I think I can still tell resistor from diode | 07:01 |
| jaem | but it's been a while | 07:01 |
| jaem | diode is definitely worse | 07:01 |
| Xnt_n810 | is it faint | 07:02 |
| Xnt_n810 | brb | 07:02 |
| jaem | the sound? yes | 07:02 |
| jaem | the smell of burning diode? no | 07:02 |
| qole | GeneralAntilles, I actually went back to 8.04 after fighting for hours with 8.10 | 07:02 |
| jaem | qole: have you heard of NexentaOS? | 07:03 |
| qole | damned PulseAudio | 07:03 |
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| qole | jaem, no | 07:03 |
| jaem | it's Debian/Ubuntu, but with the OpenSolaris kernel | 07:04 |
| jaem | go figure | 07:04 |
| jaem | the question that comes to mind is "why?" | 07:04 |
| * qole looks at his watch, almost bedtime | 07:04 | |
| jaem | mmhmm | 07:04 |
| qole | jaem, yes, why? | 07:04 |
| qole | there must be some advantage to that kernel... | 07:05 |
| jaem | that's what I'm wondering :S | 07:05 |
| Xnt_n810 | generalantilles: im using 8.10+also | 07:06 |
| Xnt_n810 | *alsa | 07:07 |
| qole | last post of the night: my head is full of greenish goo, and it is all coming out of my nose... :( | 07:07 |
| * qole blows his nose and leaves | 07:08 | |
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| Xnt_n810 | bye qole | 07:08 |
| jaem | night, qole | 07:08 |
| Xnt_n810 | ok, now i really bored | 07:09 |
| Xnt_n810 | * im | 07:09 |
| jaem | Xnt_n810: Google "virtual bubblewrap" | 07:09 |
| jaem | oh wait... maybe not the best idea in the circumstances :P | 07:09 |
| * jaem wishes the N810 has an Alt key | 07:10 | |
| * Xnt_n810 want virtualbubblewrap for maemo :P | 07:12 | |
| jaem | well, it's flash, so you can just download it... | 07:12 |
| Xnt_n810 | native app, with pressure detection | 07:12 |
| jaem | and run it locally | 07:13 |
| jaem | haha | 07:13 |
| jaem | that's almost funny, until you realize what an utter waste of time it would be | 07:13 |
| Xnt_n810 | exactly | 07:13 |
| jaem | does the N810 even really *have* much in the way of pressure sensing? Xournal doesn't seem to act any differently with pressure sensitivity on | 07:14 |
| Xnt_n810 | I don't know, but im assumingthat xjournal has a bug . | 07:16 |
| Xnt_n810 | or something | 07:16 |
| jaem | could be... it's a bit outdated | 07:16 |
| jaem | the chinook package, that is | 07:16 |
| Xnt_n810 | yeah | 07:16 |
| jaem | oh - right | 07:16 |
| jaem | that's what I wanted to work on... | 07:16 |
| * jaem pulls out obtuse, lengthy spec sheets, and goes to work | 07:17 | |
| jaem | darn you, standards organizations! | 07:17 |
| jaem | why can't you write your specs like Simple Wikipedia? | 07:17 |
| Xnt_n810 | lol | 07:18 |
| jaem | or at leasat use PDFs with hyperlinks, instead of MS Word docs with lousy formatting | 07:18 |
| jaem | gah | 07:18 |
| jaem | I suppose I should get used to it | 07:18 |
| jaem | it won't get any better once I graduate | 07:18 |
| jaem | lol | 07:18 |
| Xnt_n810 | I haven't opened word for 1.5 years | 07:19 |
| AndreLuiz | lucky you | 07:19 |
| AndreLuiz | =| | 07:19 |
| jaem | neither have I, in longer, except the odd time on school computers | 07:19 |
| AndreLuiz | i'd rather speak out all my presentations than edit it using word or something like that | 07:20 |
| Xnt_n810 | not even on the school computers | 07:20 |
| Xnt_n810 | i use google docs | 07:20 |
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| jaem | Xnt_n810: I don't like storing my data in the cloud | 07:22 |
| jaem | when I can help it | 07:22 |
| jaem | Gmail is a necessary evil | 07:22 |
| jaem | and a pretty good evil, at that | 07:22 |
| jaem | lol | 07:22 |
| AndreLuiz | you guys, gonna sleep | 07:23 |
| AndreLuiz | cya | 07:23 |
| Xnt_n810 | lol, i use dreamhost for email | 07:23 |
| Xnt_n810 | cya,im getting sleepy | 07:23 |
| jaem | me too | 07:24 |
| Xnt_n810 | bye jaem cya in the morning | 07:24 |
| jaem | see ya, Xnt_n810 | 07:24 |
| Xnt_n810 | bye | 07:24 |
| Xnt_n810 | nite everyone | 07:25 |
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| jaem | g'night, #maemo | 07:39 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone else having na issue updating carman? | 09:12 |
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| Shadow__X | put on music | 09:27 |
| Shadow__X | LOUD NOISES | 09:27 |
| Shadow__X | oh steve carell | 09:28 |
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| L0cutus | 'ndi | 09:44 |
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| zakkm | anyone here? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | no | 09:47 |
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| zakkm | i cant seem to get reflashing my tablet to work | 09:49 |
| zakkm | says version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 09:49 |
| zakkm | USB device found found at bus 005, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 | 09:49 |
| zakkm | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | 09:49 |
| zakkm | NOLO version 1.1.16 | 09:49 |
| zakkm | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 09:49 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: is the 0.10internal image safe to use? | 09:59 |
| jaem | hey Stskeeps | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yes, it is, but by getting you volunteer to testing it and reporting bugs | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: and it lacks artwork | 09:59 |
| zakkm | thats fine, i just meant in a wont brick my nokia sense | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't bricked my nokia yet :P | 10:00 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: I just finished watching the second Fantastic 4 movie | 10:00 |
| jaem | it was terrible | 10:00 |
| jaem | but one question | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: hehe | 10:00 |
| zakkm | does it have the ui thats in the screenshots? | 10:00 |
| jaem | how come the N770 used throughout the movie has a cooler-looking OS than Fremantle? | 10:00 |
| zakkm | http://www.jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/8ad832a7557941678ae3781ad2e7bc27 | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: film effects? :P | 10:00 |
| jaem | there's something wrong there :P | 10:00 |
| jaem | lol | 10:00 |
| zakkm | what the? | 10:01 |
| zakkm | wheres the n770? | 10:01 |
| zakkm | i own that movie | 10:01 |
| jaem | Reed Richards uses it all through the shwo | 10:01 |
| jaem | he pulls it out during the wedding | 10:01 |
| zakkm | ohh his little "pda" | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png is closer to the truth atm | 10:01 |
| jaem | zakkm: yes, the un-PDA | 10:01 |
| zakkm | hahh | 10:01 |
| zakkm | way different look :) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: we just got artwork yesterday though | 10:01 |
| jaem | also, I think the ratio of technobabble to real science was actually infinitie | 10:02 |
| jaem | infinite* | 10:02 |
| zakkm | i know but i just saw one screenshot im like sweettttt :D * downloads * | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: the code is there and it actually works | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | so try out that part. | 10:02 |
| zakkm | okay this is closer to the truth *less polished* | 10:02 |
| jaem | given that I didn't catch any real science at all ;) | 10:02 |
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| zakkm | its for little kids :) | 10:02 |
| zakkm | the movie | 10:02 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: try to convince Hollywood to use an N810 running Mer, next time ;) | 10:03 |
| jaem | zakkm: well, not *little* per se, but yeah, I didn't enjoy it much | 10:03 |
| jaem | it was cheesy | 10:03 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: 15min download reamining. | 10:03 |
| zakkm | i meant the audience isnt supposed to have much of a science knowledge. | 10:03 |
| zakkm | Its irrelevant | 10:03 |
| jaem | well, that's how Hollywood works | 10:04 |
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| zakkm | disney does better :) | 10:04 |
| jaem | they assume that most people won't know any better, and from that decide that the rest of the people don't matter | 10:04 |
| jaem | I remember watching Wall-E, and coming out of theatre, my first thought was, "there was a scene that violated Newton's laws of motion" | 10:05 |
| jaem | lol | 10:05 |
| zakkm | never seen wall-e | 10:05 |
| jaem | blatantly violated them, too | 10:05 |
| jaem | ah | 10:05 |
| jaem | the robot's flying around outside a spaceship by firing off a fire extinguisher | 10:05 |
| jaem | only, every time he lets up on the handle, he decelerates | 10:06 |
| jaem | fail | 10:06 |
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| jaem | anyhow, I need to get to bed | 10:06 |
| zakkm | i heard it was a cute movie | 10:06 |
| jaem | it wasa | 10:06 |
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| jaem | for Pixar, it was fairly well done | 10:06 |
| jaem | there's an interesting robot model of the main character on Instructables | 10:06 |
| jaem | look it up | 10:06 |
| jaem | night | 10:07 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: Do i install the image with flasher just like its a normal maemo image? | 10:13 |
| zakkm | reflash the image* | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | err.. which image are you downloading | 10:14 |
| zakkm | mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz 132mb | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'd use the mer installer, when it asks for URL= something, use URL=mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | er | 10:14 |
| zakkm | my nokia is "broken" though | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.10internal/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz | 10:15 |
| zakkm | and flash-only initfs doesnt work | 10:15 |
| zakkm | i get sw release <no version> | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | do a full flash maybe | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | do you remember the -F? (actual flash)? | 10:17 |
| zakkm | yes | 10:17 |
| zakkm | ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=initfs -R | 10:17 |
| zakkm | also i just finished downloading the image, and it was like a 20min download. | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's missing something there.. | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 10:18 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:18 |
| zakkm | i copied it straight from there | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you're missing a -f | 10:18 |
| zakkm | ohh lowercase too | 10:18 |
| zakkm | ohh maybe i backspaced it by mistake | 10:19 |
| zakkm | sweet ;p | 10:19 |
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| zakkm | omg it boots! :D | 10:20 |
| zakkm | but i already downloaded mer image ;p | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | the .tar.gz image isn't flashable directly anyway, :P | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | you need the mer installer probably | 10:20 |
| zakkm | could i copy it over to nokia? | 10:21 |
| zakkm | would that make me not have to redownload? | 10:21 |
| zakkm | -.- | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not directly no | 10:21 |
| zakkm | corrupted download? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the .install file and point the installer to the right URL= | 10:21 |
| zakkm | yeah doing check for updates ;p | 10:22 |
| zakkm | whats the newest merinstaller version do you know by heart? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the .install file from the 0.9 page | 10:22 |
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| zakkm | sorry havent used my nokia in weeks ;p | 10:23 |
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| zakkm | .install opened application manager, and it had high cpu for awhile then just stopped | 10:25 |
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| x29a | so is mer usable? | 10:35 |
| zakkm | x29a: why not? :D | 10:35 |
| x29a | dunno, backlight flicker, sound crappy, no wlan or whatever could not work | 10:35 |
| zakkm | heh | 10:35 |
| x29a | im thinking about ubuntu | 10:35 |
| zakkm | its better than ubuntu port :P | 10:36 |
| x29a | im not all that happy with the maemo i have on it | 10:36 |
| zakkm | me neither | 10:36 |
| zakkm | in midst of mer install | 10:36 |
| x29a | tell me wotcha think of it | 10:36 |
| zakkm | used a older version, was nice, but the newer versions are starting to change ui | 10:36 |
| x29a | i dont need big graphic click-and-colors, just a working, fast os for browsing, chatting, and so on | 10:37 |
| zakkm | which you have? 800 or 810? | 10:37 |
| x29a | 810 | 10:37 |
| zakkm | ah lucky you | 10:37 |
| zakkm | the new fennec beta came out yesterday you know | 10:37 |
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| x29a | thanks santa | 10:37 |
| zakkm | 810, you should try e17 on top of mer | 10:37 |
| zakkm | problem is the onscreen keyboard temporary, but you dont use onscreen | 10:38 |
| x29a | zakkm: im not involved in the development, and i get confused with all the different possibilities | 10:38 |
| zakkm | heh | 10:38 |
| x29a | yah, i have hardware which i would use | 10:38 |
| zakkm | its a really nice uhh | 10:38 |
| zakkm | linux desktop | 10:38 |
| x29a | X? | 10:38 |
| zakkm | X? | 10:39 |
| StsN801 | god.. parents at times. i'm in bus and there is a small boy with his mom and a plastic rifle and he's pointing it at random people.. in a couple we are going through the ghetto with a lot of ppl torn by war and traumatised. this will go well. | 10:39 |
| x29a | X11? | 10:39 |
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| zakkm | of course | 10:39 |
| zakkm | i think ;p | 10:39 |
| zakkm | x29a: its just very click and use | 10:39 |
| zakkm | not like maemo with "start menu" | 10:39 |
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| x29a | StsN801: u think theyll point back with a not-so-plastic-rifle? | 10:40 |
| StsN801 | x29a, nah. some just don't react mentally well to having a rifle in their faces . | 10:41 |
| x29a | so there is that pure ubuntu port, which ports ubuntu mobile to the N8x0, there is the "original" maemo, and there is mer, which is trying to combine and improve both? | 10:41 |
| x29a | StsN801: cant hold it against them ;) | 10:41 |
| zakkm | Stsn801: you planning for hildon input method in future mer? | 10:41 |
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| StsN801 | x29a, ubuntu port is mer without hildon and sanity.. | 10:42 |
| x29a | haha | 10:42 |
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| zakkm | i cant believe i dont have extras-devel installed -.- | 10:44 |
| zakkm | well "added" | 10:44 |
| StsN801 | honestly though. we had ubuntu ported in summer 08. decided not to go ahead with it for same reason as not going ahead with deblet. you are going to hit a wall of usability and battery problems | 10:44 |
| zakkm | how is mer on battery life? | 10:45 |
| x29a | how is mer on all aspects of a mobile device? | 10:45 |
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| x29a | battery, ram, performance, swap, usability, standby/resume, connectivity etc | 10:45 |
| StsN801 | better, but some things is needed still to be connected | 10:45 |
| x29a | i deeply respect people developing this kind of software, really, great work | 10:46 |
| x29a | too bad mer doesnt need a hello_world.c anymore ;) thats all i could contribute | 10:46 |
| StsN801 | x29a, wifi is fine with a small bug. standby/resume is useless to talk about on arm.. | 10:47 |
| x29a | StsN801: so could i keep my mer running like i do with maemo? | 10:47 |
| StsN801 | x29a, thats the hope yeah | 10:48 |
| x29a | ima get into this | 10:48 |
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| x29a | doing way to little with my tablet anyway | 10:48 |
| zakkm | :P | 10:49 |
| x29a | Network-Manager dies on N8x0 after sleep / idling | 10:49 |
| x29a | hahahaha | 10:49 |
| x29a | it does that on my ubuntu 8.04 on ibm x31 as well | 10:49 |
| StsN801 | nm should die but it does its job | 10:50 |
| x29a | im facing lots of problems with it | 10:51 |
| x29a | its doing "too much stuff on its own" | 10:51 |
| zakkm | x29a: you have mer already? | 10:51 |
| x29a | zakkm: na | 10:51 |
| x29a | reading about how to get it | 10:51 |
| zakkm | StsN801: it says Install update? merinstaller 2.0.0-mer6 ? is that right? | 10:52 |
| StsN801 | think so | 10:52 |
| x29a | zakkm: are you flashing it or on mmc? | 10:52 |
| zakkm | i want to use the newest 0.10 internal, so i have to use mmc | 10:52 |
| x29a | whats the "internal" stand for? | 10:52 |
| x29a | internal mmc? | 10:53 |
| zakkm | no | 10:53 |
| zakkm | internal = not public | 10:53 |
| zakkm | release | 10:53 |
| x29a | ah ok | 10:53 |
| StsN801 | testing only | 10:53 |
| x29a | are you installing on internal or external mmc tho? | 10:53 |
| zakkm | like its publicly avaliable | 10:53 |
| zakkm | internal. | 10:53 |
| zakkm | publicly avaliable.. not recommended at all/ no support / nothing.. | 10:54 |
| zakkm | by definition. | 10:54 |
| x29a | yeh, sounds great | 10:54 |
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| zakkm | different ui in 0.10 :P | 10:54 |
| zakkm | thats why i want to use it | 10:54 |
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| x29a | duh sweet, i can just install it into internal mmc,since i have my maemo on external mmc and in flash, so i can boot them alternativly? | 10:55 |
| zakkm | yeah | 10:55 |
| x29a | wicked | 10:55 |
| zakkm | just add a bootmenu entry for mer | 10:55 |
| zakkm | and do "install mer" | 10:55 |
| zakkm | i believe? | 10:55 |
| x29a | so theres no drawback | 10:55 |
| x29a | it says it in the wiki, ill just follow the instructions, or pester guys here | 10:56 |
| zakkm | yelling? throwing nokia across the room? | 10:56 |
| x29a | sounds like fuuuuuun | 10:56 |
| zakkm | StsN801: any chance theres one newer than that 0.10internal? | 10:56 |
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| woglinde | morning | 11:01 |
| x29a | hi | 11:02 |
| x29a | zakkm: installing installer | 11:06 |
| zakkm | :) | 11:07 |
| zakkm | x29a: sorry i left | 11:07 |
| zakkm | morning woglinde | 11:07 |
| zakkm | x29a: you want to use the new 0.10internal? | 11:07 |
| x29a | sure, why not | 11:08 |
| zakkm | in the installer, when it asks for url | 11:08 |
| zakkm | change it to | 11:08 |
| x29a | yeah | 11:08 |
| zakkm | URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.10internal/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.10internal.tar.gz | 11:08 |
| x29a | have that | 11:08 |
| x29a | i was present when that url was posted, thanks | 11:08 |
| zakkm | ah | 11:08 |
| zakkm | looks okay i suppose | 11:08 |
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| x29a | since i can always boot my "real" maemo, i have no fear in installing mer | 11:09 |
| zakkm | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png | 11:09 |
| x29a | wow | 11:09 |
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| x29a | looks impressive | 11:10 |
| zakkm | lol | 11:10 |
| x29a | probably draws the batt empty in 5min | 11:10 |
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| zakkm | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui/screenshot02.png <-- future apparantly | 11:10 |
| zakkm | http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg finale. | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: no, that's the neest | 11:11 |
| zakkm | neest? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | latest | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, just got into my office :) | 11:12 |
| zakkm | thats out? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: actually no, it is fairly static ui | 11:12 |
| x29a | nice | 11:12 |
| zakkm | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272382&postcount=32 just reading this | 11:12 |
| x29a | great, the bootloader overwrote my bootconfig, so i have to edit that | 11:13 |
| x29a | hm, lets see | 11:13 |
| zakkm | x29a: said to do it manually ;p | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it says so, it isn't compatible with clone-to-SD, you need to make your own clone .item | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | please pester penguinbait about it | 11:13 |
| x29a | zakkm: i guess i can do that with the system in flash | 11:14 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: still looking for help for the package thing? | 11:14 |
| x29a | gee, im getting stuff confused | 11:14 |
| zakkm | Grab the source package the Mer package is based on, and the new one from fremantle. diff -ruN them, and save the diff. | 11:14 |
| zakkm | ^ | 11:14 |
| x29a | i probably should install the installer in the flash image, since i can boot that afterwards, ok lets start again | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: until everything is lime, blue, green on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages#Current_package_status we do :P | 11:15 |
| zakkm | Kept back because of Fremantle HIM requiring a thumb keyboard | 11:16 |
| zakkm | ? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle only has thumb keyboard, not stylus | 11:16 |
| zakkm | oh | 11:16 |
| zakkm | im thinking all tablets have thumb keyboard support ;p | 11:16 |
| zakkm | and do ppl still use stylus? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily, but i think next version won't have stylus | 11:16 |
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| zakkm | my stylus just sits there | 11:17 |
| zakkm | always use thumbs | 11:17 |
| x29a | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Install_bootmenu thats what i should do before rebooting or? | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | did you use clone-to-SD before? | 11:18 |
| x29a | yes, but just for testing | 11:18 |
| x29a | so i have maemo on external sd and in internal flash | 11:18 |
| x29a | as long as i can boot one maemo im all set | 11:18 |
| x29a | as backup plan | 11:19 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: does mer do mplayer nicely? | 11:19 |
| zakkm | for video playback | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | probably not, cos of the X server | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | we hope to fix that though | 11:19 |
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| zakkm | is it possible to "steal" maemo's? | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but HIM stops working | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: sec. | 11:20 |
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| x29a | no rush, ima go do the dishes | 11:20 |
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| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: maemos mplayer shows videos somehow | 11:21 |
| zakkm | ? | 11:21 |
| zakkm | i know it works fine in maemo ;p | 11:21 |
| zakkm | i want to know if it works fine in mer | 11:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | it looks pretty much the same, that it looked with android kernel... | 11:21 |
| zakkm | android is cool | 11:21 |
| zakkm | wish it had sound support though | 11:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | i was talking about maemos mplayer in Mer | 11:21 |
| zakkm | ohh | 11:21 |
| zakkm | is it smooth enough tho | 11:22 |
| zakkm | i use it for xvid's | 11:22 |
| zakkm | my nokia. | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: i'll help you with the issue if you promise me to document it on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation afterwards. | 11:24 |
| zakkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Making_x86_Mer_Bootable lol :) | 11:25 |
| zakkm | do people do this? | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 11:25 |
| zakkm | why? | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mertop.jpg | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | cos there's a bunch of MIDs and touchscreen pcs that could use hildon | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | also, the VMDK is made in a similar fashion | 11:26 |
| zakkm | i guess | 11:26 |
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| zakkm | but im thinking normal computing | 11:26 |
| zakkm | a OS would be nicer | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | it might be ok as a netbook remix really. | 11:26 |
| zakkm | yeah actually i should get a friend to try, he might like it | 11:26 |
| zakkm | has a acer aspire one | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: when you have 0.10 running, do me a favour and test if HIM works. | 11:29 |
| zakkm | its unarchiving now | 11:29 |
| zakkm | have a n800 btw. | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 11:29 |
| zakkm | heh | 11:29 |
| zakkm | ill test whatever you like | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough, keep track of http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11 and change them into 100% if you verify it works, and change background color to LightGreen if 100% :P | 11:31 |
| zakkm | actually believe it or not, i have never edited a wiki. | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's fairly easy when you see it | 11:33 |
| zakkm | signing up for maemo garage now | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you can edit anonymously too | 11:33 |
| zakkm | i would like you to see it was me, if it is | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:34 |
| zakkm | that way if i put soemthing is right, and forothers it isnt | 11:34 |
| zakkm | you could know and ask? idkk | 11:35 |
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| zakkm | wooh mer booted | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok, Meizirkki will be mentoring the test component, so he'll assign tasks to be tested and such | 11:36 |
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| zakkm | halfway progress of bootsplash :) | 11:37 |
| zakkm | im a new tech addict :) | 11:37 |
| zakkm | i must have bleeding-edge | 11:37 |
| ElPollo | :P | 11:37 |
| zakkm | one of the reasons i got into linux | 11:37 |
| zakkm | some things are okay, like hardware i dont care about | 11:38 |
| zakkm | but if you tell me theres a new firefox 4, i must see it | 11:38 |
| woglinde | there is a new firefox5 | 11:38 |
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| x29a | back, in black | 11:39 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: hildon input popped up perfectly ( stylus type ) | 11:39 |
| zakkm | during "enter first name" of first startup | 11:40 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: sounds like a fair deal, lemme get an account | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: k | 11:40 |
| zakkm | is there thumb keyboard, or just stylus? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | just stylus | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | only open source so | 11:41 |
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| zakkm | k then yes, him fully works well | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: then i guess you can tell meiz it works fine so he can update the summary and indicate you tested that :) | 11:42 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: might just be me but why is midori in extras and not in "internet" ? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | cos life isn't fair :P | 11:42 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:42 |
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| zakkm | might be me, or just bad mer but i went to settings and then panels then organize | 11:43 |
| zakkm | and that froze. | 11:43 |
| hom3r | hi, sorry for the question but how can I send data via GET or POST using maemo C libraries? | 11:43 |
| zakkm | no fullscreen hardware buttons ? :( | 11:44 |
| zakkm | ohhh noo him in midori | 11:44 |
| zakkm | :( | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, so it goes | 11:45 |
| zakkm | works fine in terminal though | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: do me a favour and do what's said on wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People as well | 11:45 |
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| hom3r | i'm using Libconic to setup the connection... need to send parameters to an external URL over GET... a highscore for a game... | 11:46 |
| zakkm | i cant program or draw, i wont be any good :) | 11:46 |
| zakkm | could create a "bug" list though | 11:46 |
| aquatix | hom3r: just nitpicking, but shouldn't you POST that instead? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: testing is fine too | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's just so we keep track of the troops :P | 11:47 |
| zakkm | wow omg | 11:47 |
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| zakkm | i went to open file. i pressed < .. and now it shows nothing and frozen | 11:47 |
| zakkm | wont close :( | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | esc | 11:48 |
| zakkm | im on a n800 ;p | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's a esc button, the top one in the 3 button thing on the left side | 11:48 |
| zakkm | ooo theres load-applet ;p | 11:48 |
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| zakkm | ohh i so want to be a huge maemo person :) | 11:50 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: so i have a n810, external sd, maemo on internal flash and external sd, internal sd is totally empty, i want to try mer, i have an usb cable beside me, im a novice with tablets but with basic programming and advanced unix skills | 11:51 |
| zakkm | Affiliation (employer) or occupation - .. i think id be the only one with "high school student" | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: nah, think there's a couple | 11:51 |
| zakkm | x29a: so nice :D running now | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: oh, there you are | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: http://rafb.net/p/561r8843.html | 11:51 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: ok, will try that in a sec, facing wlan problem | 11:52 |
| x29a | s | 11:52 |
| zakkm | hehh | 11:53 |
| zakkm | easy-deb-chroot from mer :D | 11:53 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: are the repositories specfic to mer? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's maemo extras you see there | 11:55 |
| zakkm | ah | 11:55 |
| zakkm | can add extras-devel? | 11:55 |
| zakkm | ohh got him working in midori :D just starting working randomyl | 11:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkm: did you press enter when text space selected? :P | 11:57 |
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| zakkm | on a n800., | 11:57 |
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| zakkm | ohh thats why | 11:58 |
| zakkm | i cant click on a text field, but i can change url? | 11:58 |
| zakkm | like text field doesnt bring up him , but address bar does | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, two difference engines | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | different | 11:59 |
| zakkm | :( midori crased | 12:00 |
| hom3r | i don't need the answer... I need a way to send player high score to an external server. DBUS or What? Please, help me :) | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hom3r: maybe use libcurl | 12:00 |
| x29a | hom3r: sockets? | 12:01 |
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| hom3r | so... i need to setup the connection through Libconic and after that send data via sockets | 12:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkn, install arora :) | 12:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's way better than midori | 12:03 |
| zakkm | unable to install mplayer, package missing libsdl 1.2 | 12:03 |
| zakkm | thats not a good idea on a new unedited mer image :P | 12:03 |
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| zakkm | wheres arora? | 12:03 |
| hom3r | or maemo recognize my sockets calls and lets the user choose | 12:03 |
| zakkm | Meiz_n810: what repository would have it, that i would add | 12:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | zakkm, go to Xtem, sudo su, and apt-get install arora | 12:04 |
| zakkm | easy said then done, slow typing on n800, stylus methods | 12:04 |
| hom3r | wow... found it.. libc6 | 12:05 |
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| zakkm | Meiz_N810: downloading, will take a few minutes, thankss! :D | 12:06 |
| Seb | where can I find some doc on changing the way my n800 mount various partitions on the different /media/mmcX ? | 12:06 |
| zakkm | really want to use mer-only | 12:07 |
| x29a_ | finally the n810 is online | 12:07 |
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| zakkm | x29a: hows it going? | 12:07 |
| zakkm | i wish i had a n810 so much now | 12:07 |
| zakkm | should of bought one | 12:08 |
| woglinde | i wish I had the touchbook now | 12:08 |
| zakkm | touchbook? | 12:08 |
| wazd | hello everybody | 12:08 |
| x29a | zakkm: im facing internal network problems, slow things down | 12:08 |
| x29a | wazzup wazd | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 12:09 |
| woglinde | zakkm -> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | 12:09 |
| x29a | zakkm: think i will flash a fresh maemo to internal storage first, then do mer installing on internal sd | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: want a mailing list for mer-ui-artwork while i'm at it? | 12:09 |
| zakkm | could i signup to insane mailing lists for mer / maemo? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | there'll be a mer-testing list soon | 12:10 |
| zakkm | but even maemo itself | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, maemo | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | plenty | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | isn't there a pyrecipe for the desktop? | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | bah | 12:10 |
| zakkm | like i tend to visit internettablettalk daily , and see latest posts and such | 12:10 |
| zakkm | but i fear im still way behind | 12:11 |
| zakkm | mind linking me to a guide / signup page? | 12:11 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, why not :) | 12:11 |
| zakkm | where is the wallpaper located in mer? would like to replace.. not that its not a good wallpaper ;p | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | if you have 0.10 you're going to have difficulties changing it atm :P | 12:12 |
| zakkm | is it redone every bootup or something? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 12:12 |
| zakkm | i can scale to correct res? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | the menu just isn't visible :P | 12:12 |
| zakkm | oh | 12:13 |
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| zakkm | smart idea using 0.10 :D | 12:13 |
| zakkm | i think lcuk will be mad, i cant get it to startup :) | 12:14 |
| zakkm | in terminal it goes to "failed -1: canvas xsp raw mouse init failed | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:15 |
| zakkm | would there be a way for me to manually add new hildon input method, so i can have thumb keyboard? | 12:15 |
| zakkm | replacing stylus | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, if you write it :P | 12:16 |
| ElPollo | Hiya. Can anyone tell me what's handling the polling for external mmc on the n810? Is it hotplug? (I want to change to location where the external mmc is mounted). | 12:16 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: so it just not a matter of updating the package? | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: magnetic door and ke-recv | 12:17 |
| zakkm | the "update package to mer" guide? | 12:17 |
| zakkm | except not uploading | 12:17 |
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| zakkm | AHH arora i cant type at all, no input method comes up | 12:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | but it doesn't crash :P | 12:19 |
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| zakkm | well on a n810 i would so love it | 12:20 |
| zakkm | been just clicking bookmarks | 12:20 |
| zakkm | but on a n800, does me no good | 12:20 |
| zakkm | Meiz_n810: any other stuff worth trying? | 12:21 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: Ah thanks! | 12:22 |
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| zakkm | ahh snap rotation just screwed me up | 12:23 |
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| zakkm | hey this is going out in the dark but if i use my f-to-f usb .. would a usb keyboard be recognized in mer? | 12:25 |
| lcuk | zakkm, cant get what to startup | 12:26 |
| zakkm | ? | 12:26 |
| zakkm | it doesnt recognize it at all? | 12:26 |
| lcuk | ahhh you are in mer and trying to use liqbase | 12:28 |
| zakkm | yup :) | 12:28 |
| zakkm | wanted to test apps | 12:29 |
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| lcuk | heh, theres more incompatible on mer :( | 12:29 |
| lcuk | i think | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it will be on http://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/mer-artwork in 24 hours or so | 12:29 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 12:29 |
| * lcuk throws an xv overlay @ stskeeps | 12:29 | |
| zakkm | one of my fave apps, and thats only because i use mplayer for vid watching(teenager here..) and i need web browser :D | 12:29 |
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| lcuk | hi woglinde | 12:30 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: is that all the mailing lists?!??!?! | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: on garage.. | 12:30 |
| zakkm | is there main ones? | 12:30 |
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| zakkm | like memos/thoughts perhaps.. these seem to be package specific and commit changes | 12:30 |
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| zakkm | whats the difference between soft poweroff and switch off? | 12:31 |
| x29a | soft poweroff is like standby i think | 12:33 |
| x29a | or hibernate | 12:33 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if we just crashed garage | 12:33 | |
| x29a | it doesnt need to boot afterwards | 12:33 |
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| zakkm | x29a: how goes mer? | 12:42 |
| x29a | not at all | 12:42 |
| x29a | ive got a fresh maemo in my flash now | 12:43 |
| x29a | but my network has the hickups | 12:43 |
| zakkm | :( | 12:43 |
| x29a | non n810 related problem | 12:43 |
| zakkm | doesnt go fast enough? | 12:43 |
| x29a | doesnt work at all | 12:43 |
| x29a | its some weird router<->router communication or something | 12:43 |
| x29a | im switching to my mobile isp right now, that should be slow but work | 12:44 |
| zakkm | expensive too isnt it? | 12:45 |
| wazd | wow, OMAP3 can handle shaders 2.0! | 12:45 |
| x29a | nope | 12:45 |
| x29a | zakkm: downloading the installer again | 12:45 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: would installing "xserver-xomap" give any advant/disadvantages? | 12:46 |
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| wazd | Why no shaders in Maemo 5 UI then :( | 12:46 |
| zakkm | cause its still slow ;p | 12:46 |
| zakkm | its still alpha isnt it? | 12:47 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:54 |
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| zak | yay xchat in mer ;p | 12:55 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:57 |
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| zakkm | morning. | 12:58 |
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| wazd | florian, Jaffa: morning | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: no HIM | 13:09 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps:for what? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: neatojones was looking for you - he had quite an interesting idea regarding autohildonization | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: in general | 13:10 |
| Myrtti | no you | 13:10 |
| zakkm | oh i will lose him if i do that | 13:10 |
| zakkm | ? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:11 |
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| zakkm | wish i had a n810, would make mer so much more useful | 13:12 |
| zakkm | will it ever have thumb keyboard as good as maemo | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | we hope so | 13:14 |
| zakkm | wow | 13:15 |
| zakkm | abiword started up | 13:15 |
| zakkm | no HIM :( | 13:15 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: finally installed the installer, running that now, then booting back to flash and changing the bootmenu or? | 13:18 |
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| x29a | or should i change the bootmenu before even running the bootmenu installer? | 13:18 |
| zakkm | x29a : :o still working on it | 13:19 |
| x29a | my mobile isp is at 5kb/s | 13:19 |
| zakkm | woow | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: i would do it in between bootmenu installer and installing mer | 13:20 |
| x29a | ok | 13:20 |
| x29a | zakkm: can i download the .10 image to my laptop and adjust URL= so i dont have to load it with my mobile isp? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | but it has to have a http server on it :P | 13:21 |
| x29a | easy | 13:22 |
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| zakkm | sorry i left, x29a you do realize im no expert, and stskeeps i believe is the main maintainer of mer | 13:24 |
| x29a | yeah, i also figured he will read along | 13:24 |
| zakkm | true say | 13:24 |
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| zakkm | guess mer isn;t for me yet. | 13:29 |
| zakkm | no HIM, well for the most part cant do much | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's sadly not 1.0, but we're moving right ahead | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | please file bugs on the issues you met. | 13:29 |
| zakkm | ohh its moving fast | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | else we won't be able to fix the | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | m, | 13:30 |
| zakkm | do they have to be like proper documentation | 13:30 |
| zakkm | bug reports | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | just indicate what problems you ran into | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | in a bug report for each | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. ok, i guess i should edit versions, hmm | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ping | 13:31 |
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| ElPollo | Can I boot mer from other partitions than the 1st one? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | device? | 13:33 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 13:34 |
| Razumihin | 1 | 13:34 |
| x29a | openssh or dropbear sshd? | 13:34 |
| Razumihin | Damn :) | 13:34 |
| Razumihin | Hmm... anyone got idea why dpkg-buildpackage does not work on MicroB repos in scratchbox. | 13:35 |
| Razumihin | (i'm trying to build google gears) | 13:36 |
| ElPollo | I've installed mer on my n810 on mmc 0 partition 3, but after a few seconds, after selecting it from the bootmenu, it powercycles. Unfortunately I cannot see an error, so I'm having troubles figuring out what's wrong. | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: ok, can you check if /dev/mmcblk0p2 exists? | 13:38 |
| ElPollo | mmcblk0p1 is an vfat partition, mmcblk0p2 is a swap parition and mmcblk0p3 is an ext3 partition. | 13:38 |
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| ElPollo | From maemo I can mount the p1 and p3. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | and you used the installer? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | simple or advanced? | 13:39 |
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| ElPollo | I used the installer, but partitioned before starting the installer and skipped the partitioning part in the installer. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me the /etc/bootmenu.d/ .item file? | 13:41 |
| zakkm | how come everyone owns a n810 ;p | 13:42 |
| zakkm | i feel left out | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | i own a n800. | 13:42 |
| zakkm | oh really | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | i had to borrow a n810 to patch mer for it. | 13:42 |
| zakkm | heh | 13:42 |
| xnt | I have a N810 | 13:42 |
| xnt | im going to buy an n800 for the hell of it, and to have a spare nit :) | 13:43 |
| zakkm | want to buy mine? :D | 13:43 |
| xnt | zakkm:can't: don't have enough money :( , but im still saving up:) | 13:44 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: want a specific line? or the complete file? | 13:44 |
| * Myrtti is one of the weirdos that prefer n800 | 13:44 | |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: whole file | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: i'm not too fond of the n810 kbd else | 13:44 |
| zakkm | $150 cdn for tablet with f-f adapter and case etc | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | else=either | 13:44 |
| Razumihin | Myrtti: It has bigger screen i think? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: just pastebin it on rafb.net/paste | 13:45 |
| zakkm | i hate touchscreen keyboards. | 13:45 |
| * xnt had to use his n810's soft kb to avoid waking up his parents, with hw kb clicking noise, and knows nows how n800 users feel with no hw kb :) | 13:45 | |
| Razumihin | Same here... but if i could choose N810 would be 6 inches not four... | 13:45 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: the internal flash doesnt need an .item or? | 13:46 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: http://files.rune.nl/mer-item.txt | 13:46 |
| xnt | x29a: its in the bootmenu.conf | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: failsafe, it's always in the bootmenu.conf | 13:46 |
| x29a | ah ok, so the .item in bootmenu.d are just extra entries? | 13:46 |
| x29a | very good | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: ok, internal or external card? | 13:46 |
| * zakkm learns xnt needs a soundproof house :) | 13:46 | |
| x29a | or move out | 13:46 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: internal | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: edit the file and make it say ${INT_CARD} instead of mmcblk0 | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | and then run refresh_bootmenu.d | 13:47 |
| * xnt can't because he is in the 8th grade :( | 13:47 | |
| Stskeeps | do me a favour and check if /linuxrc exists on p3 first though | 13:47 |
| zakkm | 8th grade? wow | 13:47 |
| * zakkm is in 12th | 13:47 | |
| xnt | yeah . alot of people here are in highschool. | 13:48 |
| zakkm | would of thought a ipod community would have more ;p | 13:48 |
| Razumihin | Oh, I am in the oldies section as university student? :) | 13:49 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: hum... stupid question, but how do I modprobe ext2 from maemo? | 13:49 |
| x29a | smart kiddos around | 13:49 |
| Myrtti | Razumihin: no | 13:49 |
| * zakkm will trade his n800 + $50 for a n810 :D | 13:50 | |
| Stskeeps | Razumihin: i'm writing my masters thesis :P | 13:50 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: installed bootloader, now installing MER, i hope | 13:50 |
| Razumihin | Ok :) | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/{mbcache,jbd,ext3}.ko | 13:50 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: go with advanced? | 13:51 |
| * Myrtti feels old | 13:51 | |
| x29a | Myrtti: whats your age again? | 13:51 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: Ah. k. (installer did that for me earlier ;)) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: simple | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: if i recall your age correctly my fiancee is actually older than you, heh | 13:51 |
| Razumihin | Damn this scratchbox is confusing... I think i failed somewhere pretty well... | 13:52 |
| Myrtti | x29a: GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G e>+++ h- r x+ | 13:52 |
| Razumihin | :D | 13:52 |
| zakkm | wtf is that :P | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ze geek code | 13:52 |
| Myrtti | kids. | 13:52 |
| xnt | lol | 13:52 |
| Razumihin | :) | 13:52 |
| ElPollo | Ststkeeps: /linuxrc exists.. Trying bootmenu change. | 13:52 |
| Myrtti | don't recognize geekcode | 13:53 |
| pundiramit | does geek code still exist? i heard they dont update/use it any more | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: ok, one year difference | 13:53 |
| Razumihin | Hmh... do i even need MicroB to compile plugin packages for it... | 13:53 |
| xnt | Hes 28 :P | 13:54 |
| Razumihin | Some thorough developers manual for maemo would be great. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | Razumihin: it's impossible to document everything really | 13:55 |
| Razumihin | Stskeeps: Yes. I know. It's always this with new platform | 13:55 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: Ah.. The INT_CARD var did the trick. Why's that? | 13:55 |
| Razumihin | One must learn by trial and error. | 13:55 |
| ElPollo | Maemo uses different device map? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: kernel bug, there's a discussion somewhere about it on iTT | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: please report the bug :) | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | it should write INT_CARD, not mmcblk0 | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | mmcblkwhatever does -not- belong in bootmenu conf | 13:56 |
| Razumihin | The idea of getting involved in maemo platform for me was to port despotify on it :) | 13:56 |
| t3odor | Hi, this is out of deve-focus - but can N810 wlan act as AP to setup phone-connection sharing ? if does, any guides to do that ? | 13:57 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: Report the bug to whom? :P | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?producT=Mer | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer | 13:57 |
| x29a | downloading rootstrap | 13:57 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: Oki. Thanks! :) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | Razumihin: worthwhile cause | 13:58 |
| Razumihin | Stskeeps: Yes. I think it would bring lot's of new users to this platform. | 13:59 |
| Razumihin | (and maybe it would help nokia to realize that linux is better platform than symbian...) | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | Despotify has been blocked for users using 'Free' accounts. | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | You can still use Despotify using 'Premium' accounts. | 14:00 |
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| Razumihin | Yes. I bought the premium to develop. | 14:01 |
| Razumihin | (and use spotify at work as I just can't risk using p2p in our firm) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | i use last.fm extensively personally :P | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | i will hug the person who ports something like thelastripper. | 14:02 |
| Razumihin | It might be nice also. | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | (imagine offline last.fm ..) | 14:03 |
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| Razumihin | I like spotify better because of the sound quality and the possibility to choose your songs one by one | 14:03 |
| xnt | has anyone ported EtherApe? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | there's no spotify in .dk afaik, so | 14:03 |
| Razumihin | Yes :/ | 14:04 |
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| Razumihin | You coulduse despotify if you can get an account. | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, recording from radio -is- legal in .dk | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:04 |
| Razumihin | (as you can select the contrycode yourself :)) | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:05 |
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| Razumihin | Ok. Let's see now i should have working google gears. | 14:05 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: mer installer simple will put the system to p3 or? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:05 |
| Razumihin | ...or crashing browser. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | and swap on p2 and a fat on p1 | 14:05 |
| x29a | ok | 14:05 |
| x29a | extracting rootfs | 14:05 |
| x29a | i overheard linuxrc, so could i in principle just extract an gentoo-arm tarball to the partition and boot that? | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 14:06 |
| zakkm | is maemo quicker, booting from sd vs internal flash? | 14:07 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: Whats the difference between the Mer bootmenu, and the deblet bootmenu? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: nothing whatsoever | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | it is actually "bootmenu svn" | 14:07 |
| xnt | oh | 14:07 |
| xnt | thanks | 14:08 |
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| x29a | lunchtime | 14:08 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: you know if i can get mer liberty theme for maemo? | 14:09 |
| Razumihin | Ok.. crashing browser. Let's try this again... | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i think so, but i'm not sure where it is | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/DesigningForFingerUIs | 14:13 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: http://xceleo.com/vmware-mer.png Nice work :) | 14:16 |
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| xnt | just like that guide that stskeeps posted, I have small fingers :), I barely use my stylus | 14:17 |
| zakkm | heh 0.10 ui looks alot better | 14:18 |
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| xnt | zakkm: where? do you have it? (wasn't 0.10 dropped?) | 14:19 |
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| zakkm | it was internal. | 14:19 |
| xnt | zakkm: do you have a screenshot? | 14:19 |
| zakkm | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | xnt: ah, your screenshot | 14:21 |
| xnt | zakkm: yeah its better :) | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | +? | 14:21 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: I installed Mer in vmware server, and it works fine, so I wanted to compliment you in its adaptability :) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: ah, yes, it's intended to be used like that :) | 14:22 |
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| xnt | Stskeeps: ok, and btw are there any plans for a powerpc (cell) port? | 14:23 |
| RST38h | reMOO | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: we did have plans for a wii port, but i don't have a powerpc builder running | 14:24 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: no a ps3 port (cell = ps3 processor) the ps3 can run ubuntu http://psubuntu.com/ | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: yeah, i know | 14:25 |
| xnt | Stskeeps: so I can just cross compile it for the ps3? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu has a powerpc port. it's pretty trivial to get it porting, but i just don't have a builder going | 14:26 |
| xnt | or compile it on the ps3 | 14:26 |
| xnt | ok :) | 14:26 |
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| xnt | I just saw that ps3 on tabletui, and I said, that mer+ps3+controller drivers=fun | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:28 |
| xnt | How about an alternative xmb style interface? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | xmbwhat? | 14:29 |
| xnt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XrossMediaBar | 14:30 |
| xnt | ok I have to go to school :P | 14:30 |
| lcuk | why does mer remind me more of os2007 | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: because of the icons | 14:31 |
| lcuk | that would explain it | 14:31 |
| lcuk | mornin btw | 14:31 |
| ElPollo | Any plans for having mer run on JFFS2? | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ElPollo: it already does | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timelE61i | 14:35 |
| zakkm | is it slower off jffs2? | 14:35 |
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| ElPollo | Stskeeps: It does? I thought I just installed it on an ext3 part. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: we have a .jffs file too but it's more experimental and will naturally overwrite your maemo :P | 14:36 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: EXT3 it is, then. :P | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: ta for the bug report btw, added it to the list | 14:37 |
| lcuk | i suppose that would force people to stick at it | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god, not another flash-in-mer discussion | 14:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:38 |
| zakkm | anywho know why mediabox doesnt like to connect to internet? | 14:39 |
| zakkm | it will find out about stuff but wont play ;p | 14:39 |
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| zakkm | anyone have mplayer in mer? | 14:42 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 14:56 |
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| thopiekar | I started a adhoc-net with my n800.. is there a way to see all ip's which are connected to my device? | 15:06 |
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| ElPollo | thopiekar: Euh... perhaps a broadcast ping, or a nmap sweep. I don't know of any OOB method. | 15:11 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, i keep wanting the same, i see i have "something" ocnnected because it opens up but i dont know which machine ive left wifi enabled on | 15:13 |
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| thopiekar | is nmap available in maemo.repos? | 15:14 |
| thopiekar | it don't seem so.. | 15:14 |
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| * thopiekar isn't using extra-repos because he hates adding these extra repos and removing them when they are offline.. every repo-manitainer should add his stable packages at maemo-repos and unstable at his own if he want.. | 15:17 | |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: "lanmap" would be nice to provide on nit'S.. it is able to show your network in 2D (by graphviz it think).. | 15:21 |
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| thopiekar | btw graphviz.. where is jeremaid... | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, i can think of something i would like t orender it to - i was discussing an app using liqbase with someone last night which may provide similar network overviews | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ping | 15:29 |
| ElPollo | lanmap... will it compile? (atm it won't even check out :() | 15:29 |
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| ElPollo | thopiekar: about nmap, you could also download the deb to your tablet and install it from file. That way you don't need extra repos. | 15:30 |
| thopiekar | ElPollo: what about updates.. my app manager should care about that and not I.. | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | :P | 15:31 |
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| * thopiekar is learning now for a class test.. | 15:32 | |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: oh, what was neatojones' idea? | 15:45 |
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| neatojones | hey Jaffa | 15:45 |
| neatojones | just a sec | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | lo neatojones | 15:45 |
| neatojones | hello | 15:45 |
| thopiekar[afk] | hi all | 15:45 |
| neatojones | have you seen globalmen for gnome? | 15:46 |
| neatojones | @jaffa | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | globalmenu | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | No; is it like an OS X menu bar thing? | 15:46 |
| neatojones | http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | Aha, yes. | 15:47 |
| neatojones | yeah. But, basically if we implemented the same concept... | 15:47 |
| neatojones | we could get away without having to hildonize apps | 15:47 |
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| thopiekar[afk] | neatojones: + | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | This is what Nokia should''ve done | 15:48 |
| neatojones | We just need to take the same sort of idea and put the menu into a dropdown instead of a menu bar | 15:48 |
| neatojones | is there anyway we can do this? | 15:48 |
| zakkm | not all apps work with globalmenu. | 15:48 |
| neatojones | Hildon really needs it | 15:49 |
| neatojones | firefox and others down | 15:49 |
| neatojones | don't | 15:49 |
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| neatojones | but firefox and openoffice are too big for us and could be individually hildonized as before | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | neatojones: it's also fairly simple (theoretically) with LD_PRELOAD to intercept calls to GtkMenuBar being added to GtkWindow and turn them into hildin_menu calls to HildonWindows | 15:49 |
| neatojones | but, now, we don't waste time hildonizing everything | 15:49 |
| neatojones | Jaffa: The other important things is that once we hildonize apps | 15:49 |
| neatojones | we can't use them in lxde or gnome or e17 | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | Hildonizing is still useful for getting a usable mobile UI, but doing auto-menu bars and auto HildonWindows will help in things like Mer | 15:50 |
| neatojones | they are missing their menus | 15:50 |
| neatojones | so, our current method is a bad solution. | 15:50 |
| neatojones | I also had another idea...but I don't recall it atm. | 15:50 |
| lcuk | jaffa +1, running a native gtk application and having it appear in the deskt opand be usable with the hildon bits without specific package/app modifications would be a major benefit | 15:51 |
| neatojones | Stskeeps... do you remember what the other part was? | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | a centralized menu however wouldnt be useful since only one app at a time is shown | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: can dig out the log if you want me to | 15:51 |
| neatojones | nah...I could do that | 15:51 |
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| allen | hi, all | 15:52 |
| aquatix | shiny: http://blog.pixelbreaker.com/polarclock/ | 15:52 |
| thopiekar[afk] | hi allen | 15:52 |
| ElPollo | lcuk: isn't that the whole purpose of the globalmenu; providing the menu for the app currently focussed? | 15:53 |
| neatojones | oh. Since we are making a top bar (and doing away with the side bar). What is keeping us from resuming compatability with gtk themeing for hildon? | 15:53 |
| neatojones | ie: The top bar ought to be able to use the same theme as gtk | 15:53 |
| neatojones | theming seems a bit more complex than it will need to be currently. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: mm, that part is a bit of a can of worms though, cos of h-d | 15:54 |
| lcuk | ElPollo, isnt that what a menu does anyway? | 15:54 |
| neatojones | That's what I was thinking. | 15:54 |
| allen | VDVsx: hi, I am intresting in the SocialApp based on OpenSocial project applied to gsoc 2009 | 15:54 |
| neatojones | But, it seems like the newer style ought to allow better compatability. | 15:54 |
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| neatojones | we had to theme specific things in the previous version, like the side bar and that tray bar. | 15:55 |
| allen | VDVsx: ping? | 15:55 |
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| VDVsx | allen, hi | 15:55 |
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| neatojones | the single bar, could fix that. | 15:55 |
| ElPollo | lcuk: it does, but normally inside the application. Afaik globalmenu is the MacOS way of handling menu's. | 15:55 |
| allen | VDVsx: I am intresting in the SocialApp based on OpenSocial project applied to gsoc 2009 | 15:55 |
| x29a | im impressed | 15:55 |
| zakkm | MacOSX rules :) | 15:55 |
| x29a | mer looks really nice | 15:55 |
| zakkm | globalmenu was created to mimic mac's | 15:56 |
| zakkm | years ago ;p | 15:56 |
| zakkm | x29a: you got it installed? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: not thanks to me, thanks to the artists in residence :P | 15:56 |
| neatojones | yeah. what we have in hildon is teh same concept as globalmenu | 15:57 |
| x29a | zakkm: yepp, crashed twice already and nm is beeing a pita, but looks nice | 15:57 |
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| x29a | the "delay" i read somewhere is not lack of ressources but some driverissue? | 15:57 |
| zakkm | no hildon is different ;p | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: "delay"? | 15:57 |
| neatojones | lol | 15:57 |
| zakkm | bad X ;p | 15:58 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: you do the things that make the nice look possible, right? | 15:58 |
| zakkm | nm was perfect for me? | 15:58 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: the interface seems slow | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: ah, yes, xserver issue | 15:58 |
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| * lcuk would drag xserver kicking and screaming from diablo but i dont know the first thing about how :$ | 15:59 | |
| zakkm | me r 1.0 will be awesome :) | 15:59 |
| ElPollo | neatojones: if the menu can be 'caught' and put under the menu button without having to alter the code of the application, then that would be quite a nice feature. | 15:59 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: which part do you want documented? basically getting the install information out of the 0.9sprint into an own article? | 15:59 |
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| neatojones | Can we borrow from globalmenu or something? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: just document the process of making your SD item | 16:00 |
| neatojones | they already do exactly that. They even have the ability to do dropdown | 16:00 |
| * zakkm lost his 4gb sd card | 16:00 | |
| zakkm | sdhc* | 16:00 |
| x29a | zakkm: due to defect or literally lost it? | 16:00 |
| neatojones | I accidentally compiled with the wrong flags once a year or so ago and got a drop down by acccident | 16:00 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: ok, easypeasy | 16:00 |
| neatojones | I have used it since | 16:00 |
| neatojones | haven't* | 16:01 |
| zakkm | literaly lsot it | 16:02 |
| zakkm | i cant find it | 16:02 |
| zakkm | i put it on the table, cause i didnt want it to get erased while partitioning, formatting etc | 16:02 |
| zakkm | like two weeks ago | 16:02 |
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| zakkm | and my nokias not been working and ive been too busy and now i cant find it anywhere | 16:02 |
| neatojones | anyway. I think we need to do something because we currently have a poor solution for the long run. It'll be much easier to get new apps included if we don't have to modify for hildon...and like I said, once you hildonize, you can't use the apps for other window managers (ie mer using e17 or lxde) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | micro sd ones are worst for that | 16:03 |
| lcuk | if you abandon the need for hildon you need a new window manager - cos i think it only lists hildon apps as available | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | thats not a bad thing at all | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | he he | 16:04 |
| lcuk | s/new window manager/modification to the WM/ | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | I always put minisd cards into those large plastic cases so they wouldn't get lost | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | s/minisd/microsd/ | 16:05 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: I always put microsd cards into those large plastic cases so they wouldn't get lost | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | well, both actually | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | infobot: don't you think people here have learned what s/foo/bar/ means by now? | 16:05 |
| x29a | haha | 16:05 |
| x29a | garage fail: Warning: eregi() [function.eregi]: REG_BADRPT in /usr/local/gforge_v4_5_20/www/account/register.php on line 74 | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | at least 5 1/4 and 3.5 inch floppies couldnt easily be swallowed or lost | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | just bent | 16:05 |
| ElPollo | Do you really need to abandon hildon? Or can you also put a layer between hildon and the application to transfer a gtk menu to a hildon menu without having to alter the code? (the same way globalmenu does) | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | i tohught about making a little box for micro sd cards like you used to flip through for floppies | 16:06 |
| lcuk | but then i wondered how to get labels made for em | 16:06 |
| * mgedmin used to have multiple boxes of unlabeled foppies | 16:07 | |
| mgedmin | the contents changed all the time anyway | 16:07 |
| lcuk | i could recognise floppies from the general markings on them - torn off label bits and marks and stuff | 16:07 |
| neatojones | ElPollo: I don't think you need to abandon hildon | 16:07 |
| neatojones | why? | 16:07 |
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| ElPollo | neatojones: Lol.. (that was my point). should've mentioned it was a reply to lcuk. | 16:08 |
| lcuk | neatojones, if apps are already hildonized you dont want to have to redo it | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | theres nothing *wrong* with it as it stands now for apps, it just helps for future to be able to just use the generic offered features of apps without having to specifically mention its hildon | 16:09 |
| neatojones | yeah. I understand | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | ElPollo: I think we can do that with LD_PRELOAD, yes. | 16:09 |
| neatojones | lcuk, I misread before. | 16:09 |
| neatojones | lcuck: That would be important | 16:09 |
| lcuk | anyway bbiab | 16:09 |
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| neatojones | eventually, if new hildon apps are created with the new style, it won't matter. | 16:10 |
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| neatojones | old ones will get replaced. But we do need a fix for now. | 16:11 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: wonna keep the installer information in the 0.9sprint or should i start an article on how to install mer right away? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it could be useful to start putting things in Documentation/ | 16:23 |
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| x29a | agreed | 16:23 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: had that 64 by 64 for me? | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | just so i can test that's actually the problem | 16:39 |
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| rmt | So.. SB2 .. it emulates a read only filesystem? | 17:23 |
| StsN802 | no, just non-root user | 17:24 |
| StsN802 | use sb2 -R for root functions | 17:25 |
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| rmt | sb2 -R apt-get update reveals: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.maemo.org_dists_diablo_sdk_free_binary-i386_Packages - open (30 Read-only file system) | 17:26 |
| rmt | Running this in a 32bit ubuntu chroot. | 17:26 |
| rmt | I'm either being very daft (a possibility) or it's doing some very funny stuff. | 17:27 |
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| jumpula | rmt: sb2 -eR | 17:29 |
| rmt | Thanks! | 17:30 |
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| ElPollo | :S mer connection manager is giving me a headache. :P | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | networkmanager. the open source way to kill all hope in humanity | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| ElPollo | Heheheh :D | 17:42 |
| rmt | The way some connections just become unmanaged, and there's no obvious way to re-manage them.. | 17:43 |
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| ElPollo | Try setting up an ad-hoc connection with manual ipv4 parameters :P | 17:44 |
| ElPollo | (I think I will stick to the killall nm-applet && iwconfig wlan0 way for now) | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | Saturday April 04, Eindhoven: Aphex Twin, Florian Hecker, Venetian Squares, Luke Vibert, Tim Exile, Squarepusher http://www.strp.nl/strp/article/33 | 17:45 |
| pupnik | o/ | 17:45 |
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| hhahlo | Meizirkki: Moi | 17:57 |
| x29a_ | hehe,nice, vnc to big pc | 17:57 |
| hhahlo | Can scratchbox use 4 or more cores? | 17:58 |
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| ElPollo | Does the n810 have some magical 'vulcan neckgrip' to reboot the device? | 18:00 |
| Meizirkki | hhahlo, Moro | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | ElPollo, poppin' the battery | 18:00 |
| ElPollo | qwerty12: I was afraid someone would say that. :P | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :P | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | ElPollo: even the power button is all in software :P | 18:02 |
| ElPollo | Stskeeps: I'm missing the sysrq key :P At least then I would be able to eject the kernel (well, I would need an ALT key too). | 18:03 |
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| ElPollo | ubuntu: shift+alt+printscrn+b | 18:04 |
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| hhahlo | Mer is kind of ubuntu, maybe sysrq works mer? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | needs to be in kernel | 18:07 |
| hhahlo | forgot that mer got diabolic kernel | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | nokia_2420_defconfig has CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ enabled | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you be lured to head up patching a kernel source tree with rndis, rotation and whatever else would be really useful fixes (48mhz patch might be damaging for the internal mmc..) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | so we can bundle that with mer | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Bah, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff is the shit :p | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | But sure | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ta, much appreciated :) | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | Sts: How are things? Got full UI running in MeR? =) | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for 64x64 icons | 18:37 |
| vasily_pupkin | is curl for n810 aviable? | 18:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | (precompiled with the deb) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god. scanwiches.com. | 18:39 |
| pupnik | i built curl a while back, so it is possible | 18:39 |
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| vasily_pupkin | Yes, i know that it's possible ^_^ | 18:39 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: ++ | 18:40 |
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| RST38h | Sts: ugly! don't let lcuk near it! =) | 18:42 |
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| wazd | I'm back) | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, everybody is completely ambivalent to everything on Planet. ;) | 18:47 |
| wazd | Tried to learn flash for UI prototyping) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the hearts and thumbs down doesn't work | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I know, but it still looks funny. | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | cOol | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | Gan/sts... | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | Our latest release has an awesome feature | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exploding devices? | 18:48 |
| timelE61i | You're limited in window count to sides of a cube | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah. you're including compiz? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
| timelE61i | So if you've filled your cube and open a window, you get an emptyish window | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, that'd be one way to help keep RAM usage down. | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | If it crashes, you get another emptyish window from crash reporter | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | - yes, i did that | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | double :D :D | 18:49 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | oh, each nested dialog is assigned its own cube face :) | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | The cube fwiw is hypothetical, but it accurately describes the window limit | 18:50 |
| * RST38h preficts a total snafu when this is released | 18:50 | |
| RST38h | wazd: Still no chance to look at those ti83+ and ti82 images btw? I can probably put the selection menu together on my own but those two only you can do =) | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: is it broken again? | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, seems so, though it doesn't pretend to be working this time. | 18:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: Hey, I'll try to finish them tonight | 18:53 |
| timelE61i | i suppose a cube face is better than the sdk demo... | 18:53 |
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| timelE61i | Except the sdk probably allowed 8 nested dialogs from a single broken app :) | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | we didn't have task switching afaik :P | 18:54 |
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| ilovemistakes | hi all. i can | 18:55 |
| ilovemistakes | oops | 18:56 |
| ilovemistakes | i cant find any info about liblocation, is it closed library? | 18:56 |
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| VDVsx | ilovemistakes, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/alpha/liblocation/ | 19:00 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, uploaded gconf2 | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | alright, ta, i'll take a look | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: remember to reinstate the 1: | 19:02 |
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| Seb | where can I find some doc on changing the way my n800 mount various partitions on the different /media/mmcX ? | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ah, ok | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: otherwise looks good, tell me when the 1: is committed and i'll merge | 19:03 |
| ilovemistakes | VDVsx: thanks. i see that it can be used only on maemo platform. so, i cant use it on my laptop, right? and i can't use it's source code in my app | 19:03 |
| Seb | it insists on mounting mmcblk0p1 on /media/mcc2, how could I change that ? | 19:03 |
| Seb | mmc2* | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, docs aren't complete yet. | 19:03 |
| VDVsx | ilovemistakes, I dunno if will be open sourced, but is under development now, as GeneralAntilles said the docs are incomplete | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I thought that was a comment on the state of the docs. . . . | 19:06 |
| ilovemistakes | VDVsx: hmm. i can use liblocation on diablo 4.1.2 sdk. | 19:06 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, :P | 19:07 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, pushed | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: ta | 19:07 |
| VDVsx | ilovemistakes, only in fremantle alpha, I think | 19:07 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, you have to explain me the meaning of the 1: and 2: in the package versions :P | 19:09 |
| VDVsx | is to avoid conflits with the jaunty packages ? | 19:10 |
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| ilovemistakes | VDVsx: i've read out some examples from diablo sdk reference manual. [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/include/location/ | 19:10 |
| ilovemistakes | location-bt-device-manager.h location-bt-helper.h location-distance-utils.h location-gps-device.h location-gpsd-control.h location-misc.h | 19:10 |
| ilovemistakes | So, it's usable in stable version. quiestion is how can i use it ouside maemo. it seems noway. =( | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah, more like, convince the jaunty packages we're on a higher version.. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: (i need to make a list of packages we do -really- dirty tricks in) | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | gconf is one of them :P | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, could you please point me @ bluetooth init code? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm not sure we have any. it's in linuxrc | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | and maybe in boot basics | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus | k | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: ta, sent to builder, updating in table | 19:15 |
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| ilovemistakes | well, liblocation is a really nice wrapper for gps. but i want to make my maemo application work on x86 linux and i don't want to write liblocation's replacement. the only solution i see is to give up liblocation and use my own wrapper for gpsd, that work both under maemo and x86 linux. may be there is another solution? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | you have your own wrapper? | 19:18 |
| ilovemistakes | no | 19:18 |
| ilovemistakes | not yet =0 | 19:18 |
| ilovemistakes | =) | 19:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: cool =) | 19:18 |
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| * RST38h will try to do the menu then, although his artistic abilities are close to nil | 19:18 | |
| slonopotamus | programming is all about wrappers :) | 19:19 |
| RST38h | slono: rather "wrapper programming is all about wrappers" =) | 19:19 |
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| slonopotamus | i hate that i cannot click someone's nickname to add it to message box in xchat :( | 19:22 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, nope. just everything :) | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ilovemistakes, at the very least it'd be a good justification for opening it up. | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ilovemistakes, mind filing an enhancement request for on bugs.maemo.org? | 19:23 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: sound does not really depend on DSP, at least for 770: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/40692 | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | ssvb: hmm, that's interesting | 19:23 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: that's also one of my unfinished projects... | 19:24 |
| ilovemistakes | GeneralAntilles: "plz open liblocation lib" is an enhancement? =) | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ilovemistakes, with proper grammer and spelling and a good justification, yes. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | ssvb: if nokia didn't have to argue with TI over it, it could be a good thing i guess | 19:25 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: the problem is that new kernels use asoc framework and the audio drivers are rewritten, so here is a dilemma whether to fix old driver in 2.6.16 or start hacking asoc stuff | 19:25 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: what about TI? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ssvb: well (as far as i know) they're talking with TI to allow distribution of the DSP tasks, but if we can bypass that it wouldn't be bad | 19:26 |
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| ilovemistakes | GeneralAntilles: thanks, maybe some day. now it takes less time to write my own wrapper =) it's my graduation project | 19:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ilovemistakes, the likelihood of success goes down the longer you wait. | 19:27 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: maybe it is possible to implement switching ownership of audio hardware between asm and dsp at runtime, so that binary codecs are not completely lost | 19:28 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i found a funny thing - gtk already has hooks for virtual kb without any patches. at-spi. | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, but this is recent | 19:28 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, how recent? it is supported in java and too, and it is pretty slow in catching up with new stuff | 19:29 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: also C55x toolchain got recently updated, a good thing about it is that it has better license and the latest version of compiler | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: as in, HIM was written before this came in :P | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ssvb: sounds interesting, .. a bit out of my personal range, so someone should look at it | 19:31 |
| derf | ssvb: Link? | 19:31 |
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| ssvb | derf: link is all the same, it should be in maemo wiki dspprogramming page | 19:32 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it means that i won't need any 'slono-gentoo-whatever-zation' to have vkb work in all apps, i think. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: k | 19:35 |
| lardman | derf: yep it's on the dsp programming page, I updated it the other day | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ssvb: n800 is CONFIG_SPI_TSC2301_AUDIO , n810 is CONFIG_SND_AIC33 | 19:36 |
| lardman | shame the cpufreq stuff is broken for the omap2 in the latest kernels | 19:36 |
| ssvb | derf: just go to the mailing list archive thread that I have linked | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: happen to know if DSP tasks are required to play sound? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | like, in general | 19:36 |
| lardman | yes | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | they are? well, bollocks, i guess | 19:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTIzNzQ3Njc2N2ZQWU1ISXNZVkZfMV8xX2wuZ2lm Vacuum Tubes for sale. Glass Removed For Cleaning! | 19:37 |
| lardman | unless you happen to have the Linux kernel side driver compiled in, but I'm not sure there's one handy for the n810 | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: there's a AIC33 thing | 19:37 |
| ssvb | lardman: have you tried a new dsp toolchain already? | 19:37 |
| lardman | ssvb: no, not yet | 19:37 |
| lardman | ssvb: but I was talking to someone the other day who has (as the old one is now gone) | 19:38 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: wasn't solca trying to get the audio driver working, I think it's ok on the n800 (or at least I seem to remember thinking that) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'll prod him | 19:39 |
| lardman | I started chatting to him, was looking to get the driver working on the n810, but ran out of time + the omap2 stuff is deprecated now apparently | 19:39 |
| lardman | which is a bit crap | 19:39 |
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| lardman | it wuold be interesting to know if Nokia used the n810 at all for the Fremantle backend development, and therefore if they had an ARM-side kernel driver working | 19:40 |
| lardman | home time, bbl | 19:42 |
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| wazd | Weeee, I've made my very first flash UI demo :D | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 19:49 |
| wazd | It's 3 seconds long but I totaly love it xD | 19:50 |
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| wazd | Uploading it to YouTube) | 19:50 |
| RST38h | hehe | 19:51 |
| RST38h | now, we just need to persuade nokia to drop clutter for flash... | 19:51 |
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| wazd | Well, flash is nice tech for demoing but not for real UI :) | 19:52 |
| RST38h | Adobe seems to think otherwise :) | 19:53 |
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| RST38h | http://www.mediacynic.com/cgi-bin/mediacynic.pl?cynic=316091 | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Hehehe | 20:00 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well. Ihe doesn't look like Putin :\ | 20:06 |
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| vasily_pupkin | anybody know where i can find recent debian devkit for scratchbox? | 20:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: that was my thought as well | 20:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: the whole thing is just too good to be true =) | 20:12 |
| hanno | Hi. | 20:13 |
| thopiekar[afk] | hi | 20:13 |
| * hanno is going to ask the repeating question again, sorry. | 20:13 | |
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| hanno | So I can as well ask if there is a place that keeps an FAQ on this. | 20:14 |
| hanno | When will the next Maemo hardware ship? | 20:14 |
| hanno | I keep checking itt, but there's no faq location. | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | hanno: no clue. we're waiting too. | 20:14 |
| * hanno really wants that device. | 20:15 | |
| thopiekar[afk] | which? | 20:15 |
| hanno | the mystical n810 successor. | 20:15 |
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| Shadow__X | i love my n810 its a portable mini linux boxie for me | 20:16 |
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| Shadow__X | i wouldnt mind beable to watch videos on it without convrting though | 20:16 |
| thopiekar[afk] | hmm I don't know, too, why nokia has such problems giving even a date for the shipping.. | 20:16 |
| Shadow__X | although i do have temp solution for video | 20:17 |
| Shadow__X | tversity | 20:17 |
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| x29a_ | Shadow__X: what do you convert to? like resolution wise? or compression? | 20:21 |
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| Shadow__X | x29a, using what method | 20:21 |
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| x29a | your videos, for watching on the n810, what resolution/codec/etc. do you use? | 20:22 |
| Shadow__X | well if i am going to store them i use the nokie video converter that worked great | 20:22 |
| Shadow__X | takes care of everything | 20:23 |
| Shadow__X | other than that i have used super toconvert anything and it works great | 20:23 |
| Shadow__X | or just plain ffmpeg | 20:23 |
| Shadow__X | for streaming which i care more about tversity | 20:23 |
| suihkulokki | do accessing garage git repos work for people at the moment? | 20:23 |
| Shadow__X | which is a on the fly compression app for videos | 20:24 |
| Shadow__X | actually on the fly encoding | 20:24 |
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| ilovemistakes | hi all, i have gpsd running on my host linux machine on 127.0.0.1:2947, my app inside scratchbox fails to connect to it (gps_open: Unknown error 4294967291). is it normal? | 20:28 |
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| ilovemistakes | well, if i 'netcat -l -p 12345' on my host, should i be able to 'netcat 127.0.0.1 12345' from scratchbox? | 20:30 |
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| rmt | So, what uses less energy - listening to an mp3 or reading an eBook? :) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | at the volume i'm listening to them the first | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | streaming an mp3 definitely uses most power :) | 20:33 |
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| ShadowJK | unless you're constantly smoothscroling i'd suspect mp3 uses more... | 20:34 |
| rmt | So far, I'm quite happy with the battery life .. it lasts a whole day with me fiddling throughout. Once I get over the new toy syndrome, it will probably last 3-4. ;) | 20:34 |
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| ShadowJK | for constant webbrowsing it lasts me maybe 6 hours | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | 4-6 | 20:36 |
| fireun | I'd say reading an ebook, but that depends on the screen technology | 20:36 |
| rmt | I never constantly web browse.. my mind's far too chaotic for such things | 20:36 |
| fireun | mp3 decode nowdays is very optomized, also depends on the audio/cpu hardware used | 20:36 |
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| ShadowJK | the CPU gets locked to 333MHz playing mp3, it'd be able to drop down to 133/idle between flipping pages | 20:38 |
| rmt | Yup, but the screen's then in use. | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | though i imagine not many people read ebooks in .txt with less in xterm like I do | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | I'll see what ftd's bme stats say when I get home :) | 20:40 |
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| uE_ | ShadowJK: I use fbreader almost exclusively. But mainly because of the screen rotation feature | 20:47 |
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| rmt | I think I now have an acceptable build environment.. it's just a pity that diablo's so far behind with glib & gtk.. | 20:48 |
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| rmt | I'll have to be careful when writing programs. | 20:48 |
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| rmt | I like evince.. but I wish it had edge-whitespace detection for auto zooming.. | 20:50 |
| * fireun reads dead tree books | 20:50 | |
| fireun | tried fbreader, nice app n'all, just couldnt get into reading it on a tablet | 20:51 |
| * fireun <- oldskool | 20:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, did you invert the colors? | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and set it up properly? | 20:51 |
| fireun | GeneralAntilles: nosir | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | White-on-Black, get rid of the padding, fix the font, and rotate it so you can use the +/- keys for paging. | 20:52 |
| fireun | I do the last bit | 20:52 |
| fireun | rotated and using the rocker | 20:52 |
| fireun | which is nice | 20:52 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: i started the "installing mer" article, but gotta leave now, hope thats ok | 20:53 |
| fireun | maybe its the book browsing system, too klunky - I want a hulu like channel selection for reading material | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really don't love dead tree books. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't read in the dark, can't read one-handed. | 20:53 |
| fireun | the second you sure can | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only if you're willing to ruin paperbacks. | 20:53 |
| fireun | "ruin" ? | 20:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bend the spine. | 20:54 |
| fireun | no, when I've sold into used book slavery the books I've read, they're always amazed I've actually read them, still look new | 20:54 |
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| fireun | no creased spines | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't manage it, anyway. | 20:54 |
| fireun | I actually take the time to pre-stress a book before I read it | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other part of it is that working retail selling books started to make me hate them. ;) | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially paperbacks. | 20:55 |
| fireun | I cant "buy" ebooks either | 20:56 |
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| fireun | I like having a bookcase full of colorful titles | 20:56 |
| fireun | and ebooks are too easy to delete | 20:57 |
| uE_ | fireun: agree mightly on the klunky library browser. Calelibre on maemo might solve that. But fbreader suffers from too much portability. | 20:57 |
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| fireun | first one in, wins | 20:58 |
| * lcuk is rewriting his selecter | 20:58 | |
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| fireun | fbreader is the "viewer" | 20:58 |
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| uE_ | fireun: One bookcase of pretty books is fine. A house full of bookcases is excessive. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | put up some designs for a selecter on the maemo wiki and submit patches to fbreader | 21:00 |
| lcuk | a house built of bookcases is wicked though | 21:00 |
| uE_ | fireun: also books like quicksilver, at over a thousand pages are unmanageable while traveling | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | vivijim: - just wanted to say thanks for the cx3110x patches and much of the stuff in mamona, - it's very useful when we're doing Mer | 21:01 |
| fireun | he lost me at crytonomicon | 21:02 |
| fireun | lcuk: I agree with you | 21:02 |
| vivijim | Stskeeps: cool! good to know that it is helping someone :D | 21:02 |
| fireun | lcuk: I'd love to have a big ol "library" with the spiral staircase to the second level and all | 21:02 |
| uE_ | lcuk: I visited a guy in NYC once who literally had every wall of his apartment covered in bookcases. Even three of the kitchen walls and one of the bathroom. | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | vivijim: also helped to get cx3110x on a sane level on 770 as well, so :) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | this is the most innovative bookshelf ive ever seen | 21:03 |
| lcuk | http://weburbanist.com/2008/04/28/20-brilliant-bookcase-and-bookshelf-designs-creative-modular-and-unique-urban-furniture/ | 21:03 |
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| fireun | lcuk: I like http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/features/article_1359308.php/CBS_Moonlight_set_tour_in_photos | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | fireun, thats nice, but a bit more wasteful of space than traditional shelves | 21:10 |
| * konttori_ has been adding proper support for icons in theme maker. Now 50 icons are in a template and they cover pretty much all icons that need to be supported. | 21:10 | |
| konttori_ | probably need a bit more still, but it's pretty close to be there now. | 21:11 |
| konttori_ | I've been using kde oxygen as the basis for the icons. | 21:11 |
| konttori_ | so that they are nicely licensable base template | 21:11 |
| konttori_ | unlike nokia set would be :( | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | konttori_: sounds nice :) | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | meiz was looking at oxygen icons too for mer | 21:11 |
| konttori_ | ah. nice. | 21:12 |
| konttori_ | phew. tomorrow I'll take the device with me and make the layout template of the icons to extract correctly named icons. | 21:13 |
| konttori_ | man. the look of the fremantle is soooo kick ass. I just saw a really nice improvement to it that happened this week that improved the visual so much. | 21:13 |
| konttori_ | Of course cannot comment what it was, but teasing is always nice. | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | we amateurs (maybe not wazd) are playing a bit too, http://i041.radikal.ru/0903/5f/5cf0986d63e7.jpg , mockup, but code is there, so we're slowly integrating it | 21:14 |
| konttori_ | Stskeeps: looks really nice indeed! | 21:15 |
| konttori_ | I mean, you guys are making tremendously cool visuals | 21:15 |
| konttori_ | I like the menu icon a lot | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah - i'm wondering when someone headhunts wazd and steals him forever :P | 21:16 |
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| konttori_ | someone should do it! | 21:17 |
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| timelE61i | kontorri: do you mean the red outline w/ solid black empty dialogs :) | 21:21 |
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| konttori_ | timelE61i: lol! well, a different thing, but that's also fun | 21:22 |
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| timelE61i | kOntorri: btw, helpwanted fixing the ui engineers | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | They're being stupid (again) | 21:24 |
| fireun | did you tell em to stop it, or they wouldnt get desert? | 21:24 |
| Shadow__X | dc++ for maemo | 21:24 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 21:24 |
| Shadow__X | yes no maybe so> | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | I've tried to say it'll hurt the ability to sell the product | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | as long as there's a hello kitty theme.. | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | But they insist they're experts and know what they're doing | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | Have you used the valentine theme' | 21:26 |
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| fireun | in my experience, anyone who asserts that they're an expert and know what they're doing, usually isnt so much of an expert. Experts can convince you through rational explanation. | 21:27 |
| * qwerty12 has, fkn nasty | 21:27 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | Oxygen-based icon theme on Mer: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/oxygen/ | 21:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | i like it :) | 21:29 |
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| Shadow__X | is there a way to get linux dc++ on maemo? | 21:31 |
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| florian | re | 21:31 |
| fireun | Meiz_n810: meh | 21:32 |
| lcuk | Shadow__X, yeah, you can get the latest dc++ on your tablet, just grab the source from my hub ... | 21:32 |
| thopiekar | cu | 21:33 |
| Shadow__X | ah ok whats your info | 21:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, so you run lcuk's porn hub! | 21:33 |
| * lcuk was joking | 21:33 | |
| Shadow__X | :( | 21:33 |
| Shadow__X | so it doesnt work | 21:33 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | qwerty, ive already told you, you need to be sharing at least 120gb of high quality action with a decent ratio | 21:34 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 21:34 |
| lcuk | you failed by trying to share your windows folder | 21:34 |
| timelE61i | fIreun: that about covers it | 21:34 |
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| fireun | timelE61i: we're past the days when programmers could do their own UI graphic elements | 21:36 |
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| timelE61i | really | 21:38 |
| timelE61i | ? | 21:38 |
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| Shadow__X | lcuk, do you have dc running on the tablet | 21:39 |
| lcuk | no Shadow__X, i havent fired up dc for years now (I was a classic user, never moved to ++) | 21:39 |
| konttori_ | timelE61i: I haven't seen valentine theme | 21:39 |
| Shadow__X | ah just my campus uses it i prefer irc | 21:40 |
| qwerty12 | konttori, hildon-theme-ilona in some repo | 21:40 |
| * lcuk thinks it wouldv looked like slashdot omg! ponies!! | 21:40 | |
| qwerty12 | think of echo but in red and nastier | 21:40 |
| fireun | timelE61i: IMHO | 21:41 |
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| fireun | they generally dont make the best themes, something about artistic != logical | 21:42 |
| lcuk | fireun, its a lot easier now to produce an eyecatching usable algorithmic ui | 21:42 |
| fireun | cant argue with that | 21:43 |
| * ShadowJK thinks there are too many hard to use UIs around | 21:44 | |
| ShadowJK | or rather, hard to learn UIs | 21:44 |
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| konttori_ | Meiz_n810: those look really nice. | 21:45 |
| konttori_ | and yeah, oxygen is a great icon theme | 21:46 |
| lcuk | Shadow__X, how many are there? | 21:46 |
| Shadow__X | 5 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:46 |
| konttori_ | Meiz_n810: the settings icon doesn't look right | 21:46 |
| lcuk | which | 21:46 |
| konttori_ | but it looks quite nice as the default install application icon. | 21:47 |
| Shadow__X | i am pretty your your asking ShadowJK | 21:47 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:47 |
| lcuk | yeah i am | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | generally? loads | 21:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | konttori: es, the control-panel is strange in my tablet right now | 21:47 |
| lcuk | so how would you make an "easy" one? | 21:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | konttori_: it doesn't even have a correct name | 21:48 |
| lcuk | (and im sure every single one started asking that question) | 21:48 |
| ShadowJK | on desktop it gets worse when everything wants to look and behave differently, often in the name of user friendliness. the only usewr friendly thing is to behave like the rest of things do, then the user only has to learn one set of already complicated rules | 21:49 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk: i dont know the solution :) | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | mEinz: eh? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | changing for the sake of it is one thing, but what of the complete change liqbase made - i personally think the complete ui changeover was worth it | 21:50 |
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| ShadowJK | just from my experience trying to help/teach completely new computer users, after they've grasped how radio button slectors, drop down etc work, along comes some software that themes itself, printer software, media players, and the users no longer recognize or understand any of it | 21:52 |
| * fireun nods in agreement | 21:53 | |
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| fireun | yet there should be some allowance for change | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | totally understood ShadowJK and in windows i use the mouse oriented toolkit supplied | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | even though the same ui elements are basically there, it looks like a mass of pixels to them | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | or it looks like the desktop background changed and they think they git a virus and then try change desktop background back | 21:54 |
| vasily_pupkin | is there any notifying library for maemo? | 21:55 |
| vasily_pupkin | and how can i put something to clipboard (like with xsel)? | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | dunno vasily_pupkin, its x11 and gtk and normal libraries and stuff, how do you do it in regular linux | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | emm | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | I use xsel (= | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | but seems like maemo ignore X selection buffer | 21:58 |
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| timelE61i | liqbase is the only workable tablet/touch ui i've ever used | 22:00 |
| timelE61i | Touch voting and banking systems are also designed along similar lines | 22:01 |
| timelE61i | Big buttons w/ a grid | 22:01 |
| timelE61i | The reason for padding between buttons there is to avoid accidental misclicks | 22:02 |
| lcuk | visible from orbit :) | 22:03 |
| * lcuk loves that phrase | 22:03 | |
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| keesj | I am all for location based buttons and finger memory training | 22:08 |
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| keesj | I CAN remember sequences like left-top-right and that is how old Nokia's worked and how Teletext works | 22:09 |
| lcuk | keesj, have you seen me jump around liqbase | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | or have you played yourself | 22:09 |
| keesj | no not recently | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i find it very relaxing jumping and know the locations of each menu - its like playing an instrument | 22:10 |
| keesj | waching the video on your site | 22:10 |
| keesj | Impressive | 22:11 |
| lcuk | :) its just a start. once i get everything i want into it properly then it will be even better :) | 22:12 |
| timelE61i | muscle memory is good | 22:13 |
| timelE61i | Unless... You're taking a muscle relaxant | 22:13 |
| lcuk | lol, thats where the big buttons help :P | 22:13 |
| * timelE61i failed to properly operate heavy machinery: | 22:13 | |
| timelE61i | fork/knife/spoon/naan | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | Only useable finger UIs I've used have been in industrial equipment :) | 22:14 |
| lcuk | yeah, chainsaws are fingerfriendly | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | "are tablets usable while high" | 22:15 |
| lcuk | hell yeah | 22:15 |
| keesj | :p | 22:15 |
| lcuk | i used one on a plane | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | industrial equipment with touchscreens I meant :P | 22:15 |
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| keesj | My real problem is that I am only really intersted in programming and there is no finger ui for programming | 22:17 |
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| lcuk | keesj, what do you mean fingers for programming | 22:17 |
| keesj | perhaps I need some lego mindstorm clone language | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | oh now I know why I've never tried use finger on the tablet... | 22:18 |
| * lcuk would love to develop using real lego | 22:18 | |
| timelE61i | have you used touch based atms | 22:18 |
| keesj | lcuk: I am talking about muscle memory | 22:18 |
| * lcuk hopes to build up an interactive ide at some point | 22:19 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you should try and prod that lord raiden guy and see if he can be lured into helping out :P | 22:19 |
| lcuk | its the primary reason why i started on the framework | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | I fired up sketch and applied pressure with finger until the colours became distorted, then I used a little less pressure than that, so that the colors didn't distort, and drew lines across the screen, trying to paint the entire screen. I was left with a big circle in the middle where the touchscreen didn't register at all... | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, my screen is similar, though mines through abuse. my other tablets are finger sensitive just find | 22:20 |
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| ShadowJK | I only remember the finger input method activating on first day I had it, after that the stylus keyboard has come up even with finger tap.. | 22:21 |
| keesj | Indem here , not optimal funcioning touch screen | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | the stylus keyboard is mostly in the more sensitive part though, so it's usable with finger too, for some values of usable :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | technically, i find x11 mouse input cuts and splurts MUCH more than the xsp library, i think the cutoff point is a bit low for the x11 stuff | 22:25 |
| lcuk | in liqbase with the sketching it uses xsp and is pressure sensitive and is better | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | but if i compile it up to use just x11 its spluttery | 22:26 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 22:26 |
| keesj | I did and other experiment today using a beamer as screen for the beagle http://box.mmapps.net/p3193544.jpg | 22:26 |
| keesj | not really usable | 22:26 |
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| ShadowJK | the backlight dimmed and I touched the insensitive area and the backlight lit up, but nothing appeared in sketch | 22:27 |
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| keesj | the picture is moved but still, a PC screen is better | 22:27 |
| ShadowJK | I just assumed it ignored it because it was make-light-bright tap :) | 22:27 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, is there any program that would display pressure numerically or with a meter or whatever? | 22:28 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, not immediately | 22:28 |
| lcuk | but its fairly simple to implement in liqbase | 22:28 |
| keesj | evtest perhaps | 22:29 |
| * lcuk is now miffed i removed it from the multitouch sim | 22:29 | |
| Stskeeps | keesj: you should do a Mer on projector pic ;P | 22:29 |
| ShadowJK | heh, apt-cache rdepends libxsp0 output is a bit "eh?" | 22:30 |
| keesj | Stskeeps: this is gpe (the default angstrom wm when I run x11-image), but clearly big button and such are also good for "low-res" displays | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: hehe | 22:31 |
| timelE61i | mUltitouch sim? | 22:34 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, is there a finger-sized brush in the drawing thing in liqbase? :P | 22:36 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, no, unless your fingers are really really thin | 22:36 |
| lcuk | it does do pressure sensitive and fades if you are gentle | 22:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I noticed | 22:37 |
| ShadowJK | I drew a grid, it fades into a black hole in the middle | 22:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I apt-get install liqbase and got multitouch sim | 22:39 |
| lcuk | yeah it wont work too well with your fingers then if your screen is bad | 22:40 |
| lcuk | try with a pair of stylii | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | it seems fairly accurate in the noncrap parts of the screen | 22:40 |
| lcuk | it is :) | 22:41 |
| lcuk | for varying levels of pressure gradient | 22:41 |
| * ShadowJK confuses it with rapid movement of a single stylus | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | of course you will | 22:43 |
| lcuk | im gonna add a piece of code "OI ShadowJK stop f*ckin around!" | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | can you make the drawing feature slide the controls out of the way when you press fullscreen button | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | sHadowjk: away or jump to other side of screen? :) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | heh, at the moment you are taking screenshots with the fullscreen button | 22:45 |
| lcuk | the MENU button is gonna do something soon and you will be able to setup the ui how you want | 22:46 |
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| timelE61i | Can you make it drop down a menu? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | fullscreen will actually be used for its intended purpose ;) | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Heh | 22:46 |
| lcuk | now i beat xv and x11 into submission about how to do it | 22:46 |
| lcuk | does anyone actually mess with the screen resolution stuff | 22:47 |
| lcuk | cos i need to remove it - its hurting my head. | 22:47 |
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| timelE61i | you mean in liqbase? | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | what does it do.. | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | yes | 22:47 |
| timelE61i | Let you run faster w/ fewer logical pixels | 22:48 |
| lcuk | it still runs and renders at any sized window and scales correctly, but i decided to remove the options because making an xv display different to x11 was causing compilcations | 22:48 |
| lcuk | xv does that anyway | 22:48 |
| lcuk | thats what i have currently decided to put on a back burner - its mainly concerning being able to use 480*800 screens | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody think of any other "plain text" pages on maemo.org I need to look at besides repository.maemo.org, maemo.org/vote and maemo.org/maemo/meeting? | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/ts-blackhole.png | 22:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd want the toolbox oout of the way so I could see how far the blackhole extends :) | 22:52 |
| lcuk | thats acutally quite scary! | 22:52 |
| lcuk | mine is more to the left | 22:52 |
| lcuk | cos im a lefty | 22:52 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, how does that affect things? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i put most pressure in that centre left of the screen | 22:53 |
| lcuk | its where i instinctively stroke it | 22:53 |
| lcuk | and its also where tracy lent on it | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I get it, it's roughly centered around where stylus would be used for scrolling in the browser | 22:54 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: mpf, upgrading vim in mer is a pain because of the removed manpages :/ | 22:55 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: is there a way to clean that? | 22:55 |
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| ShadowJK | Mine's 9 months old | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: we don't use docpurge atm | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | so what version are you on? :P | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: so did you succumb to trying out Mer yet or are you scarred for life after trying Unreal? :P | 23:05 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: well, mer | 23:07 |
| Corsac | I installed using the 0.7 or 0.8 installer | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, they had docpurge | 23:07 |
| Corsac | and then upgraded/dist-upgraded | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bug standing about it | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | if you can find a way to make dpkg-divert work better.. | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:08 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, I think i need to find a free weekend for it :) | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Make docpurge replace the files with 0b ones instead of removing them. | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: possible | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: anything you can hack up? :> | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | (brilliant idea.) | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Possibly, my knowledge of apt hooks & scripting sucks ;p | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *:p | 23:11 |
| timelE61i | i could probably do that | 23:11 |
| timelE61i | if someone pointed me to docpurge on sunday | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | k, will try to remember | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | where's jeremiah? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's not the best solution with the 0 as we'll keep the filenames, but .. the benefit is probably large | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | He owes me a hook | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | actually | 23:13 |
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| timelE61i | What's the issue? | 23:13 |
| wguerra | Hi | 23:13 |
| timelE61i | Because dpkg -L should tell you which files are "managed" | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: issue is that dpkg-divert acts really weird if the file-to-be-diverted is missing | 23:14 |
| wguerra | how can I submit a bug at bugs.maemo.org with the patch that corrects it? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | wguerra: there's an attachment feature | 23:14 |
| timelE61i | Which means you could make a "doc-resurrect" | 23:14 |
| wguerra | Stskeeps: I could not find it | 23:14 |
| timelE61i | Which looks through dpkg -L | 23:14 |
| wguerra | :/ | 23:14 |
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| timelE61i | And touches the files that are missing | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | wguerra: associate it in a comment maybe | 23:14 |
| timelE61i | Err | 23:14 |
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| timelE61i | Wguerra | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: and for some strange reason people divert man pages :P | 23:15 |
| timelE61i | File bug first | 23:15 |
| timelE61i | Then attach the patch | 23:15 |
| wguerra | the bug is at the "Desktop platform" component, does it make any difference? | 23:15 |
| timelE61i | Bugzilla supports patches | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | wguerra: out of curiousity, what kind of patch is it? | 23:15 |
| wguerra | Stskeeps: to fix the x11vnc problem at diablo | 23:15 |
| timelE61i | Just create an attachment and mark x patch | 23:15 |
| wguerra | there is no such field here | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | repository.maemo.org, should Extras go on top? | 23:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wguerra: if you really can't find it, post a link to a pastebinned version & set patch keyword. then give the link :) | 23:17 |
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| sp3001 | hmm, a gnome ate my theme | 23:18 |
| timelE61i | wguerra: bug number? | 23:18 |
| timelE61i | And are you the reporter? | 23:18 |
| * sp3001 wonders if he should let mailWidgets.xml keep running a slow script | 23:18 | |
| timelE61i | Heh | 23:19 |
| wguerra | I'm the reporter | 23:19 |
| wguerra | :) | 23:19 |
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| timelE61i | Ok.. So bug #? | 23:19 |
| wguerra | it is a known bug, there are plenty of discussion about it | 23:19 |
| timelE61i | What the F*CK | 23:20 |
| timelE61i | Did you file a bug or not | 23:20 |
| timelE61i | Either you have a 4*CKING bug number or not | 23:20 |
| wguerra | I was waiting to try to file the bug with the patch | 23:20 |
| timelE61i | Ok | 23:20 |
| timelE61i | Sit down and listen carefully | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | First you file the bug | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | Then you visit the bug again | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | Then you attach the patch | 23:21 |
| wguerra | shit! | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | Is that clear? | 23:21 |
| wguerra | sorry about it | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonderful, unintuitive Bugzilla. Oh how we love you. | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | Bugzilla will helpfully take you to the bug directly after you file it | 23:21 |
| wguerra | it worked | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | Gan: newer bugzillas let you attach at filing time | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | That your bugzilla hasn't upgraded... | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, maybe we should throwing things at andre__, then. | 23:22 |
| wguerra | timelE61i: thank you, I should have tried that! | 23:23 |
| timelE61i | sorry for cursing | 23:23 |
| timelE61i | In the future, please consider listening to what people say instead of assuming | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | Gan: be my guest | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watching scratchbox install is about as fun as watching paint dry, and twice as slow. | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | Lol | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I'm averaging about 20KB/sec installing things in Ubuntu so far. | 23:25 |
| timelE61i | Hopefully monday i get to install debian or ubuntu or mer in xvm | 23:25 |
| sp3000 | yeah, the session manager decided to fall on its face at boot so things were being weird | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: did you get the wifi working? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I decided I couldn't deal with anymore broken themes or missing strings for the rest of today. ;) | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: that drove me sortof insane on my mertop too :P | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, mertop. i wonder how much battery that thing actually takes.. | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | er, power | 23:27 |
| timelE61i | fwiw | 23:27 |
| timelE61i | The new strings will suck | 23:27 |
| timelE61i | I've started using some apps | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | And they're stupid, as usuall | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | Today i was given yet another way to try to improve the ui | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | So i've filed one issue to test the icy waters | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | Election ends at 23:59 UTC, correct? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, so I guess you get to spend another 2 weeks improving them, then. ;) | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | I expect it to go nowhere | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, so it would seem. | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | Gan: not now | 23:29 |
| sp3000 | oh, yeah, should probably do the vote thing today | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | when will results go out? | 23:29 |
| * Jaffa ponders how quickly dneary's going to turn around the results, and whether he should sleep instead. Would make sense. | 23:29 | |
| Jaffa | sp3000: last chance! | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | Tomorrow i have a couple hundred pages of bondi spec to reread and criticise | 23:29 |
| sp3000 | I still have three hours to procrastrinate (sp?) | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I guess the results aren't automated for this one? | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | And maybe try to fix an arch doc to satisfy some annoying arch who can't write to save his life | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | The software stuck them on the website once the voting was closed last time. | 23:30 |
| timelE61i | Sadly, no one's out to kill him | 23:30 |
| * sp3000 eyes one of the rs suspiciously | 23:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, do it now so a time warp doesn't get you. | 23:30 |
| * sp3000 shoots one of the rs | 23:30 | |
| sp3000 | next time warp is sunday next week I think | 23:30 |
| timelE61i | gan: yeah, it isn't automated | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | oh, wait, two hours | 23:31 |
| timelE61i | That was documented in advance | 23:31 |
| sp3000 | three after the time warp, good point ;) | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | hm, mp3 playing vs displaying stuff is a close call :) | 23:31 |
| timelE61i | Gan: please poke jeremiah | 23:32 |
| timelE61i | I really want to get diablo users using my strings | 23:32 |
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| ShadowJK | playing mp3 from memory card at volume 10 with screen off seems to use about as much power as displaying the home screen at brightness set to ~50 | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, I was referring to roving reletavistic anomalies, but DST works too. ;) | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, last I saw him he was spamming itT a couple days ago. | 23:33 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: nah, I won't run into timeless until tomorrow | 23:33 |
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| timelE61i | sts: do you use xvm? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i use virtualbox :P | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, you're prodding will be just as effective as mine, by the way. | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just fire an email off at him. | 23:34 |
| * timelE61i wants someone on monday to hand hold setting up some vms | 23:34 | |
| timelE61i | sts: are they not the same thing? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be stressed out as hell monday, first thesis meeting with my advisor | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | otoh I think I was accused of using coffee to acuse time dialtation in school once upon a time | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | s/acuse/cause/ even | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i am honestly not sure | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how this page tells you to download scripts, but doesn't include links to those scripts. http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ | 23:35 |
| * timelE61i shoots at a t from sp3000's dial- | 23:35 | |
| sp3000 | s/the other typo/the other correction/ too | 23:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles would've used induce. :P | 23:36 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: no, that annoyed me too | 23:36 |
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| Shadow__X | how do i edit accounts in modest | 23:40 |
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| Shadow__X | i open up modest edit account but i cant edit the incoming server | 23:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, only problem with the maemo.org header for Talk is that the necessary hooks will need to be put in place. | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there's no plan to automatically connect user accounts for the time being, and Talk accounts are not equivalent to maemo.org accounts. | 23:51 |
| Shadow__X | anyone use Modest | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: can you see if this bug still exists? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4224 , he skipped partitioning part in simple | 23:55 |
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