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| * Jaffa bingles mud - I got bored waiting for the auto-builder, so dropped in three more files and turned vala-sample into a proper menu-starting app with icons | 00:50 | |
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| sidnei | hello there, im looking at todays announcement of ubuntu running on the n810. i see there's a rootstrap image, but i have no idea how to get it into the device. what's the equivalent of flashing for that? | 00:52 |
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| * Brian- trys adding a fuew patches to his ubuntu image as a temporary fix for the sys-env-* dependence issue | 00:52 | |
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| Brian- | you'll need to partition, format, mount and, extract the image | 00:53 |
| Brian- | onto your mmc | 00:53 |
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| b-man | did you read the instructions? | 00:54 |
| sidnei | so, i extract it into the root of the mmc, and then how do i boot it? | 00:54 |
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| b-man | you'll need to install a desktop env | 00:55 |
| b-man | unless you want a console ;) | 00:55 |
| sidnei | b-man: a console is fine. | 00:55 |
| b-man | btw, i'll be releasing a newer version of that image soon that will be quite a bit more stable ;) | 00:56 |
| b-man | +so | 00:57 |
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| sidnei | b-man: i just don't get the part after extracting the image, how do i boot from that? | 00:57 |
| b-man | you'll need to install the deblet bootmenu | 00:57 |
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| sidnei | b-man: k | 01:00 |
| b-man | sidnei: you can grab the bootmenu from here; http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install | 01:01 |
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| b-man | you'll need to add the repository though | 01:01 |
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| sidnei | ah, now i see what is wrong. things are just out-of-order in the forum, so i though they were unrelated | 01:06 |
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| b-man | heh - i'm working on a better install method atm - it shouldn't be as complicated ;) | 01:08 |
| sidnei | cool! i'm happy to be your beta tester. this n810 here was just collecting dust anyway :) | 01:09 |
| b-man | sweet!! :D | 01:09 |
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| Mousey | my internal flash is =( | 01:10 |
| Mousey | and it's palco's fault )= | 01:10 |
| Mousey | now i'm outta warranty | 01:10 |
| b-man | dead? :( | 01:10 |
| Mousey | what do i do?? | 01:10 |
| Mousey | not dead, but sad about life.. bad blocks, io errors, multiple formats, no fixy | 01:10 |
| b-man | hmm :( | 01:11 |
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| Jaffa | b-man: if nothing else, instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubuntu (or something merinstaller inspired) | 01:16 |
| b-man | shure, as soon as i get better established - btw sys-env-base installs without errors now :D | 01:17 |
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| b-man | hmm libxsp is missing from the repo... i'll fix that! :D | 01:19 |
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| sidnei | b-man: do i have to go through the debootstrap steps, or does the rootstrap image take care of all that? | 01:22 |
| b-man | the rootstrap image takes care of that, but it's highly suggested that you bootstrap it - that image is pritty old | 01:24 |
| b-man | that's why i'mm making a new one ;) | 01:24 |
| b-man | *i'm | 01:24 |
| b-man | pluse the new image is going to use the sys-env system | 01:26 |
| b-man | so it's 1000% easier to install :) | 01:27 |
| sidnei | b-man: are you close to being done? i might just let this run otherwise | 01:28 |
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| b-man | i might be releasing it tonight or tomorrow depending on if i run into anything else | 01:29 |
| sidnei | b-man: cool. i will let it run just to see how it goes then. last time debootstrap failed in weird and unexpected ways :) | 01:30 |
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| b-man | i'll be back | 01:31 |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 01:57 |
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| jaem_afk | Mousey: ping! | 02:02 |
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| jaem | Mousey: what was your issue with the internal card, and Palco? | 02:03 |
| Mousey | hi | 02:05 |
| Mousey | the card won't write properly | 02:05 |
| Mousey | oh | 02:05 |
| Mousey | and it worked fine before i sent it off for service [for the display] | 02:05 |
| jaem | did the warranty expire since they sent it back, then? | 02:05 |
| Mousey | since then i think so, i haven't actually checked the little nokia warranty tool, but i got it not last christmas but the christmas before, so i imagine so | 02:06 |
| jaem | my issue a while ago is different, but I heard the words "palco" and "dead internal mmc" and my ears perked up | 02:06 |
| jaem | so it was mostly dead when you got it back? | 02:06 |
| Mousey | writes have been unreliable since i got it back, and i can't fsck and get a clean fsck | 02:07 |
| jaem | have you been having any issues reading the partition table? Any fs tools hanging on you? | 02:08 |
| Mousey | fsck won't complete without errors, repeatedly, and badblocks comes back with tons of sectors | 02:09 |
| jaem | ouch | 02:09 |
| jaem | any theories, or is it just out of the blue? | 02:09 |
| Mousey | that and writes generate i/o errors, so i can't apt-get upgrade reliably, if at all | 02:09 |
| jaem | oh wait - is this onboard flash, or internal mmc? | 02:09 |
| Mousey | it's gotta be something physically wrong with the media, the behavior isn't indicative of a software problem | 02:10 |
| Mousey | internal mmc | 02:10 |
| jaem | ah | 02:10 |
| Mousey | the mdblock is fine | 02:10 |
| jaem | for what it's (not) worth, I checked with Nokia support, and the "internal mmc" is soldered to the board | 02:10 |
| jaem | I normally say "Everything is user-serviceable to a sufficiently skilled user", but that's probably not worth it | 02:10 |
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| jaem | Mousey: do you have any reason to believe it's Palco's fault? | 02:22 |
| Mousey | yes. it worked before i sent it. and it doesn't work now. | 02:23 |
| jaem | hmm... you're in the US, then, since you sent it to Palco? | 02:23 |
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| Mousey | HAI! | 02:24 |
| Mousey | *ahem*, i mean yes | 02:24 |
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| jaem | mmm... well, if you think it's a botched repair... I don't know anyone in the US, but I have a contact in Canada who could probably refer you to someone who you could plead your case with | 02:25 |
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| jaem | Mousey: check my PM | 02:27 |
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| jaem | any idea why I have to log in to maemo.org, then click the login link again, in order to actually be logged in? | 02:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I have to do the same in firefox & on the tablet in MicroB :/ | 02:38 |
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| Proteous | hackers stealing your login | 02:44 |
| Proteous | sorry, next time I'll spend the extra time to have my keylogger actualy log you in after I steal your password | 02:44 |
| jaem | yeah, come on - what kind of shoddy keyloggers do you write, anyway?! | 02:45 |
| Proteous | I was pressed for time | 02:45 |
| Proteous | I really needed to pee | 02:45 |
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| jaem | has anyone in #here tried the InvisibleShield kit for the N810? | 03:17 |
| jaem | mine is looking slightly less new these days, and I'm thinking of buying it | 03:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Irritating protector | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd go with Boxwave anti-glare instead | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Re-applicable. | 03:21 |
| doc|work | boxwave are expensive for shipping however | 03:21 |
| jaem | what's the (dis/)advantage? | 03:21 |
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| jaem | I'd prefer cheap, but I'd also like to protect the initial investment (N810) | 03:27 |
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| jaem | oh my... in the latest "OH NOEZ! MY BATTERY EXPLODED!" lawsuit, some kid's mother is suing all the employees of an Apple retail store for acting "maliciously and fraudently" in the sale of an iPod Touch | 03:42 |
| jaem | that's just stupid | 03:42 |
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| jaem | hey b-man | 03:52 |
| b-man | hello, jaem :) | 03:52 |
| b-man | the ubuntu-n8x0 repo is functional now - and sys-env-x and sys-env-base is now instalable :D | 03:53 |
| jaem | I've been fiddling with Jaunty some more, but I'm still having issues | 03:53 |
| jaem | yay! | 03:53 |
| jaem | Fn still doesn't work for me, as of about two days ago | 03:53 |
| jaem | wasn't that fixed? | 03:53 |
| b-man | not yet, i might need to grab the newer version of evdev fm mer to fix that | 03:54 |
| jaem | ah | 03:55 |
| b-man | but the base system is now instalable from only a fuew packages now XD | 03:56 |
| jaem | would you say that it's ready for casual use? | 03:56 |
| b-man | not quite yet, but it'l be soon ;) | 03:57 |
| jaem | what's left to do? | 03:57 |
| b-man | make an installer, finish sys-env, and fine-toon the system | 03:58 |
| b-man | pluse add a fuew inhancements | 03:59 |
| jaem | what all is in sys-env? | 03:59 |
| jaem | that's a metapackage, right? | 03:59 |
| b-man | yup, kinda like nit-env in deblet | 03:59 |
| jaem | oh right | 04:00 |
| b-man | it's a lot more practical ;) | 04:00 |
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| jaem | dinner calls - bbl | 04:10 |
| b-man | see ya | 04:11 |
| jaem | oh - and b-man: I have a minimal install of Ubuntu on my tablet, so if you need me to test anything, I'd be more than happy to, time permitting | 04:11 |
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| jaem | send me a PM on itT if I'm not on here | 04:11 |
| b-man | k, thanks :D | 04:11 |
| jaem | I'm anxious to have it working well, so... | 04:11 |
| jaem | :P | 04:11 |
| b-man | :) | 04:12 |
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| RST38h | "On 01/??/20??, Dr. Jack Bright was 'given the bird' on his way to the movies by a passing motorist. As is fairly normal for Dr. Bright, he tracked down the owner of the vehicle through the cars license plate, then proceeded to drive the gentleman to suicide via the use of SCP-720." | 04:16 |
| b-man | heh | 04:17 |
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| b-man | hello, neatojones :) | 04:19 |
| neatojones | Hello | 04:19 |
| neatojones | I'm going to try out the new e17 pacakges... I think | 04:19 |
| neatojones | I beeen busy, but. Probably time I gave it another shot. | 04:19 |
| b-man | sys-env-x and sys-env-base are now installable btw | 04:20 |
| b-man | pluse i'm making a new image | 04:20 |
| b-man | and i have e17 in the repo :) | 04:21 |
| neatojones | Nice. The new packages will hopefully allow the keyboard to work. (which is a very nice feature). | 04:21 |
| b-man | awsome | 04:21 |
| neatojones | also, they'll hopefully fix the screen color bit problems | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | I have a nicer feature | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | I modded the open source wifi driver to talk GPRS | 04:22 |
| neatojones | that's sweet | 04:22 |
| b-man | wow, nice :D | 04:22 |
| luke-jr | j/k ☹ | 04:22 |
| b-man | XD | 04:23 |
| neatojones | cruel... | 04:23 |
| luke-jr | if only.. | 04:23 |
| * b-man will be back in about ½hour, bye :) | 04:24 | |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 04:44 |
| fireun | break out the beer | 04:45 |
| b-man | lol | 04:46 |
| * b-man notices that tar is trying to compress his ubuntu image in his ubuntu image... wtf!?!? 0o | 04:47 | |
| b-man | it's compressing an image that's in an image that's being compressed | 04:48 |
| b-man | >< | 04:48 |
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| b-man | it's a never ending compression loop XD | 04:49 |
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| * b-man kills tar before it's too late | 04:50 | |
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| fireun | the tar pits | 04:51 |
| b-man | XD | 04:52 |
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| b-man | this is funny, tar is compressing a tarball that's within a tarball that's being compressed that's in a tarball that's being compressing that's in a tarball that's being compressed....... | 04:54 |
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| * b-man wonders if the core is now starting to trigger fusion XD | 04:56 | |
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| b-man | ...nope it imploded XD | 04:58 |
| b-man | "tar: ./ubuntu_9.04_n8x0_rootfs.tgz: file changed as we read it" | 04:59 |
| Mousey | no shit, ubuntu on n810?? | 05:00 |
| b-man | yup :D | 05:00 |
| RST38h | tar isn't compressing anything | 05:00 |
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| b-man | nvm | 05:01 |
| b-man | Mousey: my project even made it to Engadget :D | 05:02 |
| * b-man grabs the link | 05:02 | |
| Mousey | lol | 05:02 |
| Mousey | really? | 05:03 |
| b-man | yes :D | 05:03 |
| Mousey | ok, you're going on the cool list | 05:03 |
| RST38h | wait until the news hit Slashdot =) | 05:03 |
| Mousey | RST38h: that'll be the ubuntu_n8x0 vs android shootout ;) | 05:04 |
| Mousey | will it have the nbr frontend? | 05:04 |
| Mousey | that would be funny, and awesome, and finger friendly | 05:04 |
| neatojones | Ubuntu is going to hit beta soon. | 05:04 |
| neatojones | That ought to make things better for us to work with it. | 05:04 |
| b-man | i know :D | 05:04 |
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| * b-man growls at his slow connection | 05:05 | |
| * RST38h wonders if audio will ever be possible | 05:06 | |
| RST38h | b-man: does wifi work btw? | 05:06 |
| Mousey | nbr tho? nbr?? | 05:06 |
| b-man | yes | 05:06 |
| Mousey | W00T!! | 05:06 |
| RST38h | coolness | 05:06 |
| Mousey | im not a big fan of it, but for touchscreens YES | 05:06 |
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| neatojones | RST38h: sound ought to work eventually. We got it going in deblet | 05:06 |
| Mousey | i might just buy another n810 | 05:07 |
| Mousey | *sniff* | 05:07 |
| Mousey | you guys rock | 05:07 |
| jaem_laptop | hey folks | 05:07 |
| b-man | hay :D | 05:07 |
| jaem_laptop | Mousey: new revelations? | 05:07 |
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| Mousey | jaem_laptop: no, mostly me playing catchup with the ubuntu-on-n810 stuff | 05:08 |
| RST38h | "...the item is a 3D manifestation of an extradimensional audio CD, which is currently playing in a CD player in the 5th dimension." | 05:08 |
| jaem_laptop | RST38h: um...? | 05:08 |
| RST38h | neato: ! | 05:08 |
| RST38h | jaemo: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-092 | 05:08 |
| b-man | ah, here we go; http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/ubuntu-9-04-ported-to-nokias-n8x0-internet-tablets/ | 05:08 |
| b-man | :) | 05:08 |
| neatojones | they stole your screenshot | 05:09 |
| neatojones | you should have copywrited it :) | 05:09 |
| b-man | i know XD | 05:09 |
| neatojones | Could've made money to fund further work :D | 05:10 |
| b-man | copyright © ubuntu-n8x0 All rights reserved. | 05:10 |
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| b-man | 2009 | 05:11 |
| b-man | :) | 05:11 |
| * b-man should get a GPL... or GNU XD | 05:12 | |
| neatojones | what is the x86 virtualbox root password? | 05:13 |
| neatojones | anyone know? | 05:13 |
| neatojones | I remember it was on the page... | 05:14 |
| b-man | it's rootme ;) | 05:14 |
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| neatojones | thanks | 05:15 |
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| ipndrmath | Question: I have a N810 with the newest OS/update. I've been trying to use the chat application to send text messages. This is my second N810 (manufacturing defect on the first) and it worked on the original. Now when I try to send an IM\Text I get the message "No permission for this operation" and the messages don't send. Any ideas? | 05:16 |
| * b-man thought he saw this message before.. | 05:17 | |
| ipndrmath | Yep, Last night. No one responded, so thought I would try again. Maybe someone new is on. | 05:17 |
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| ipndrmath | Brian-: You wouldn't happen to have any suggestions, would you? | 05:20 |
| Brian- | no, unfortunately :( | 05:20 |
| ipndrmath | Hmm... okay. I was hopeing to not write a forum post. Thanks. | 05:21 |
| jaem_laptop | didn't the forum thread say that Google had blocked third-party clients? | 05:22 |
| Brian- | what!?!? 0o....... @!?€& | 05:23 |
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| Mousey | theres a reason i run my own jabber server | 05:25 |
| Mousey | you can have an account if you lie | 05:26 |
| Mousey | if you liKe | 05:26 |
| Mousey | plus it interfaces with googletalk users all | 05:26 |
| Mousey | has ssl, and i won't log/sell your conversations for fun and profit | 05:26 |
| neatojones | ipndrmath : it seems like I tried it and got that message at first | 05:26 |
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| neatojones | I eventually fixed it. Don't remember how. | 05:27 |
| Mousey | maybe turn off ssl, or try ssl on port 5222 intead of 5223 | 05:27 |
| neatojones | Just did an google search and came across something. | 05:27 |
| Mousey | or vice versa | 05:27 |
| neatojones | it was something simple... | 05:27 |
| neatojones | like adding a "+" at the beginning of the lines for the number | 05:27 |
| neatojones | ipndrmath: My contacts look like this: "+1217XXXYYYZZZZ@sms.talk.google.com" | 05:28 |
| Brian- | hehe | 05:29 |
| neatojones | 217 is the area code | 05:29 |
| Mousey | oh wait | 05:29 |
| Mousey | wasn't there some iphone app that had google turning off their SMS gateway just recently? | 05:29 |
| Mousey | yah | 05:30 |
| Mousey | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/15/0056259 | 05:30 |
| fireun | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/652857/iphone-like-slot-machine-picker-select-box-for-the-web | 05:30 |
| neatojones | actually, I mean: "+1XXXYYYZZZZ@sms.talk.google.com" where XXX is the area code, YYY is the prefix and ZZZZ is the final 4 digits to the number | 05:30 |
| neatojones | should work. | 05:30 |
| neatojones | I remember reading that too. I don't think it applied to us. | 05:30 |
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| Mousey | but it's a 3rd party app | 05:31 |
| Mousey | doing sms! | 05:31 |
| Mousey | how does it not apply? | 05:31 |
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| fireun | SMS should be cheaper than it is | 05:43 |
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| neatojones | what is the terminal command to start hildon? | 05:51 |
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| Macer | wow they seriously need to get zack back on bones | 05:53 |
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| ipndrmath | wow, missed all that. Thanks, neatojone, Mousey, jaem_laptop. Let me check. I'm pretty sure that the contact is correct as I simply did a backup\restore. If Google did disable 3rd party apps, then I wouldn't be able to receive, no? | 06:00 |
| fireun | Macer: where are you watching Bones? | 06:01 |
| * fireun didnt think it was on tonight | 06:02 | |
| ipndrmath | neatojones: Yep, my contacts are correct. | 06:02 |
| neatojones | ok. It may be disabled. I thought I read on iTT that it didn't apply to us. | 06:02 |
| neatojones | Guess it does | 06:02 |
| ipndrmath | I'll take a look. Why would It receive, but not send? | 06:03 |
| neatojones | difference in what server is being used maybe? | 06:03 |
| ipndrmath | hmm... seems strange. I suppose I could set up a jabber server, but google was so convenient. | 06:05 |
| jaem_laptop | how would a private server circumvent the limitation? | 06:06 |
| ipndrmath | idk, haven't really looked into it. Google just stopped SMS, so maybe another service would work. | 06:07 |
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| ipndrmath | I'm not a big chatter, so idk | 06:07 |
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| ipndrmath | Mousey: you wouldn't happen to have a howto to your setup? | 06:09 |
| Mousey | not really. i just sort of apt-get install jabberd and went to town from there | 06:09 |
| Mousey | there's plugins for all the major transports including irc, sms, aim, msn, yahoo | 06:10 |
| Mousey | what you'd really need more than that is a static IP and/or a domain name | 06:10 |
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| ipndrmath | I've got a dyndns | 06:10 |
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| Mousey | you're set then | 06:11 |
| Mousey | also there's #jabber | 06:11 |
| Mousey | donno how much help it'd be, but setting up jabberd wasn't rocket surgery | 06:11 |
| ipndrmath | Where would I need to connect to send SMS. I suppose Gtalk was what you were using. | 06:11 |
| Mousey | there's also jabberd2 and ejabberd | 06:11 |
| Mousey | well it's just a mail gateway really | 06:11 |
| ipndrmath | good point. | 06:12 |
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| ipndrmath | I'll play around with it, thanks guys. | 06:13 |
| Mousey | good luck | 06:13 |
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| mdeanda | probably a silly question but has somebody setup a virtual appliance with all the stuff setup for developing for the n810? i'm not on ubunto/debian so i figure it'll be a lot of work to get it all setup. | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | mdeanda, well, um, Debian is the best supported platform the SDK. . . . | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, there's a VMWare image available. | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:26 |
| mdeanda | ahh... i kinda disregarded that page when i first saw it b/c it didn't seem "official" hehe | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's not official. | 06:27 |
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| mdeanda | but if you accept then its better than some random thing i find on the net.. not sure if you're an expert, but you were in this channel longer than me. :) | 06:29 |
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| DJCharlie | Morning all. | 06:44 |
| DJCharlie | Quick question... Has anyone here gotten lpr working on their 770? | 06:45 |
| jaem_laptop | mdeanda: GA is on the Council, so I would say he's qualified to judge :P | 06:46 |
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| mib_ol6gl8 | hi guys.installed rootsh.want to install debootstrap.apt-get install debootstrap ,does not recursiveley install dependencies.what am i missing?using n810. | 07:18 |
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| neatojones | mib_ol6gl8: try typing: sudo apt-get -f install | 07:20 |
| neatojones | or just apt-get -f install if you are already root | 07:21 |
| zakkm | neatojones: how goes your e17 ubuntu? | 07:22 |
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| neatojones | zakkm: I was running it earlier tonight. Works well. The simpler version, which just uses pre-built debs lacks a few features (which I am actually working on fixing right now). The other method works perfectly, except that it takes a while to compile. | 07:23 |
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| neatojones | So, most people seem to prefer the debs though to try it out. I'd really recommend the deb that uses the easy_e17 script to install. | 07:24 |
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| mib_ol6gl8 | neatojones:error:the following packages have unmet dependencies : wget . if it needs wget, why cannot it install it too? | 07:24 |
| zakkm | i want sound support :) | 07:24 |
| neatojones | hehe. | 07:24 |
| zakkm | got offered a sidekick 3, in box unlocked for my nokia n800 | 07:24 |
| neatojones | zakkm: There is a tutorial from deblet on iTT for getting sound. YOu can follow it to get sound in Mer/ubuntu as well | 07:25 |
| neatojones | mib_ol6gl8: Try sudo apt-get install wget | 07:25 |
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| zakkm | i could do with the cash so im trying to sell it | 07:25 |
| neatojones | but, it may not be ein the repos. | 07:25 |
| zakkm | maybe buy a n810/ future tablet one day | 07:25 |
| neatojones | so, try searching the internet with google: using the terms maemo and wget | 07:26 |
| neatojones | see what you come up with. | 07:27 |
| zakkm | isnt it in extras/extras-devel? | 07:27 |
| neatojones | he may not have it enabled. | 07:27 |
| neatojones | I don't think wget is available on mine. It is probably available somewhere though | 07:27 |
| mib_ol6gl8 | okay. i found a bunch of sources in /etc/sources/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list.d | 07:29 |
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| mib_ol6gl8 | am i missing a source?is there a list i can refer to, to get these basic utilities? my goal for the night is to debootstrap ubuntu :D | 07:31 |
| neatojones | zakkm: I bet we'll get sound eventually. So, I've been making the e17 with sound support. | 07:31 |
| zakkm | thinking i should use my tablet more | 07:32 |
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| neatojones | mib_ol6gl8: if you have rootsh install you should be able to open a terminal and type the following: | 07:34 |
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| neatojones | sudo gainroot (type your password) | 07:34 |
| neatojones | then type: apt-get install wget | 07:34 |
| neatojones | If that doesn't work, then try opening the application manager | 07:35 |
| neatojones | then click on the top of the screen where it says "application manager" | 07:35 |
| neatojones | a drop down list will appear | 07:35 |
| neatojones | select tools and then "application catalog" | 07:35 |
| neatojones | make sure you have entries for maemo Extras and maemo Extras-Devel | 07:36 |
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| neatojones | zakkm: I think b-man has gotten flash working in ubuntu/mer | 07:38 |
| zakkm | i use xvid downloads, but is it even fast enough | 07:38 |
| zakkm | even in maemo flash runs very slowly | 07:38 |
| neatojones | so, we've got flash/java etc, and reasonably fast browsers | 07:39 |
| neatojones | I've not really used it. But, b-man has compiz working, so it may be fine | 07:39 |
| mib_ol6gl8 | i have only scim-dev in 'devel' and 'autohome-applet' n 'microb-spellcheck' in extras. do i need additional repositories? | 07:40 |
| zakkm | i like your e17, it looks like a nice UI | 07:40 |
| zakkm | wish i had a n810 heh | 07:41 |
| zakkm | trying to sell my nokia n800, nobody wants to buy | 07:41 |
| neatojones | It is very nice. If you use the one install method, the n800 would be fine since it has a nice onscreen keyboard | 07:41 |
| zakkm | did b-man make a installer yet? | 07:42 |
| neatojones | Not for e17 yet. | 07:42 |
| neatojones | qole is working on it too. | 07:42 |
| neatojones | If we get this going it, may really make the 770 usuable again too. | 07:43 |
| neatojones | illume is pretty light on resources and has some pretty good features | 07:43 |
| neatojones | It reminds me a lot of android | 07:43 |
| zakkm | im still hoping for nitdroid, but the updates stopped ;p | 07:44 |
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| neatojones | I think that's more or less related to android than the nitdroid things. | 07:44 |
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| zakkm | no sound, no dsp.. | 07:45 |
| zakkm | still virtual keyboard problems | 07:45 |
| fireun | what what? 770 usable again? eh? | 07:46 |
| zakkm | mine got wsod, no warranty :( | 07:46 |
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| neatojones | fireun: If yours works...that's great. But, it looks like e17 is the only hope 770 has of having an up-to-date OS. | 07:47 |
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| zakkm | mer? :P | 07:47 |
| neatojones | basically. The newer hildon is gonna be a bit too heavy for it. | 07:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | e17 isn't an "OS" | 07:49 |
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| zakkm | Hey GeneralAntiles | 07:49 |
| zakkm | any ideas on how i can sell my n800? :D | 07:49 |
| neatojones | thanks for the clarification... I never siad it was ;) | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "it looks like e17 is the only hope 770 has of having an up-to-date OS." | 07:49 |
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| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: what are you rooting for? (mer, ubuntujaunty, fremantle, android) ? | 07:50 |
| neatojones | I know what i said. e17 is a window manager which make the newer OS's usable on the 770 | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | A newer OS with the Diablo Hildon works just fine. | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | See Mer. | 07:51 |
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| neatojones | last I checked...bash wasnt working so well in the newer os's | 07:51 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: i thought it would have the new look? thought that was the big thing for mer 0.10? | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, I don't care about cellphone OSes. | 07:51 |
| neatojones | GA: see my earlier comment | 07:52 |
| zakkm | GA: a "OS" bigger than maemo, more publicly used? | 07:52 |
| zakkm | why not? | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, A. Google, and B. Java. | 07:52 |
| zakkm | whats wrong with java? | 07:53 |
| zakkm | and google for that matter | 07:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lots | 07:53 |
| zakkm | its a beautiful OS | 07:53 |
| neatojones | GA: Would you rather have a wm on Mer that boots requiring 64Megs of ram of 32? | 07:54 |
| zakkm | hey is that vmware thing ever going to come true? | 07:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | neatojones, I'd rather have whatever's most functional. | 07:54 |
| zakkm | ui is the most important :P | 07:54 |
| zakkm | then speed ;p | 07:54 |
| neatojones | My argument is that e17 can be at least as functional and doesn't require wasted time with hildonization | 07:55 |
| neatojones | think about how much easier it'd be to bring new apps into Mer | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's also quite a bit less finger friendly. | 07:55 |
| neatojones | Have you used illume? | 07:55 |
| zakkm | i think hildon is awesome, like havingit hidden then you click and menu comes up / button | 07:55 |
| neatojones | I've found it just as finger friendly | 07:55 |
| zakkm | on dev side it might suck for coding, but using the app, it seems very nice :D | 07:56 |
| neatojones | and waists way less screen real estate than current (diablo) hildon | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested in Mer in the context of bringing Maemo to other devices | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | not as yet-another-random-mobile-distro. | 07:57 |
| zakkm | could you put e17 on top of mer? | 07:57 |
| zakkm | and have e17 with mer stuff? :P | 07:57 |
| neatojones | I'm using it in Mer | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's just Ubuntu. . . . | 07:57 |
| neatojones | it's in the mer repos | 07:57 |
| zakkm | really? | 07:57 |
| neatojones | yeah | 07:57 |
| neatojones | I built it and put it there | 07:57 |
| zakkm | so i could install mer, then apt-get e17 and it would work? | 07:57 |
| neatojones | yeah | 07:58 |
| neatojones | that's what I did | 07:58 |
| zakkm | sickk :D | 07:58 |
| neatojones | the keyboard isn't working yet | 07:58 |
| zakkm | i hate the whole ubuntu 9.04 guide | 07:58 |
| neatojones | It will soon | 07:58 |
| * neatojones crosses fingers | 07:58 | |
| zakkm | so whats wrong with that :D | 07:58 |
| zakkm | seems like a great idea | 07:58 |
| neatojones | it's in b-man's ubuntu and mer | 07:58 |
| neatojones | anyway, linux is all about choice. | 07:58 |
| neatojones | so, give people the choice of hildon and e17 | 07:59 |
| zakkm | how hard is it to do the e17, once you have mer installed | 07:59 |
| neatojones | really, hildon approaches things wrong ( I think) | 07:59 |
| neatojones | they need to be able to avoid hildonization | 07:59 |
| neatojones | and simply take the menu and stick it into a new location similar to the globalmenu project | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not something you can really realistically expect and actually get real mobile usability. | 08:00 |
| neatojones | [rant]... [/rant] | 08:00 |
| neatojones | why is that? | 08:00 |
| neatojones | The code is probably a bit heavy for now, but definately within reach for omap3 | 08:01 |
| neatojones | no problem | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most applications are going to require work to work on a mobile device. | 08:01 |
| neatojones | anyway, someone just needs to go and optimize it | 08:01 |
| zakkm | we're on omap2 now? | 08:01 |
| neatojones | I disagree | 08:01 |
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| neatojones | I think that is simply a result of poor implementation thus far. | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Encouraging people to just recompile everything gets you devices with battery life measured in terms of hours and poor usability. | 08:01 |
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| neatojones | ok... | 08:02 |
| neatojones | we're thinking a bit differently here | 08:02 |
| zakkm | cant beat maemo in battery life :) | 08:02 |
| zakkm | is there an estimated release date for the next tablet? | 08:03 |
| neatojones | I'm looking at getting as many programs into these devices as possible...making it as easy for developers as possible. You're worried about streamlining the devices. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your approach doesn't help consumers. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and consumers are what you need for a platform to be successful. | 08:03 |
| neatojones | I think that they'll get streamlined eventually. For now, lets just get them mainstream by getting the apps users want out there. | 08:03 |
| neatojones | which does. | 08:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then the users find out all the apps don't work well and kill their devices in about 5 hours. | 08:04 |
| neatojones | no, consumers want to be able to install apps to do what the need to do to get through their day. | 08:04 |
| neatojones | that's why they avoid N8x0 for now. | 08:04 |
| neatojones | they can't do what they need | 08:04 |
| zakkm | thats why android is a good choice :) also performance is nice :P | 08:04 |
| neatojones | most users are stupid when it comes to those things | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which makes sense, as Nokia hasn't positioned it as a consumer device. | 08:04 |
| neatojones | my wife, for example couldn't care less... she gets annoyed when it dies. But she'll never even use it if it can't do what she needs to get through her day. | 08:05 |
| neatojones | like I said, for now...end users just want function. Then we optimize to deliver quality performance. | 08:06 |
| zakkm | speed :D | 08:06 |
| zakkm | is very important | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll say again, problem is, they find out that function doesn't function very well, drop the device and don't come back. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, I just wish my neighbors would die. | 08:07 |
| neatojones | anyway, I think most programs don't behave as badly as you're making them out to. | 08:07 |
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| neatojones | besides, with my theory, you've got plenty of other choices...some of which will likely have good performance | 08:07 |
| neatojones | someone out there has done a good job coding...which is the argument for e17. | 08:07 |
| neatojones | they're goal is performance. | 08:08 |
| zakkm | android is faster :P | 08:08 |
| neatojones | they've gone through an amazing amount of pain to make it as effecient and light as possible. | 08:08 |
| neatojones | hehe | 08:08 |
| neatojones | zakkm: your mom's faster :P | 08:08 |
| zakkm | -.- | 08:09 |
| zakkm | shutup | 08:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what sort of insane person spends an hour and twenty minutes knocking on a door. | 08:09 | |
| neatojones | GA: You're sure they're "knocking on the door"? | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, quite. | 08:09 |
| neatojones | is that what they call it there? | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless maybe they're doing it through the door. | 08:10 |
| neatojones | ;) | 08:10 |
| fireun | yes, I agree that making resource sensitivity a high priority is essential to tablet popularity | 08:11 |
| neatojones | ~chirp, chirp~ ... ~cricket....cricket~ | 08:12 |
| fireun | making it able to be linux generic is the wrong focus beyond the developer crowd | 08:12 |
| fireun | neatojones: I have two 770s that mostly still work | 08:12 |
| fireun | one running 2008, which started out quicker than 2007HE, but is now slow as a dog | 08:12 |
| fireun | and the other with the later, and I only got annoyed once today after hours of browsing when it rebooted twice on the same website | 08:13 |
| fireun | browser stability and resonsiveness is key | 08:13 |
| zakkm | yes | 08:13 |
| zakkm | and android is reponsive :) | 08:13 |
| fireun | the only other thing I use it for is listening to streaming music, and typing with my bt keyboard | 08:14 |
| timelE61i | fIreun: what site? | 08:15 |
| fireun | hmm | 08:15 |
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| fireun | not sure anymore | 08:15 |
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| tekojo | morning all | 08:16 |
| fireun | is anything usable yet? nitdroid, mer? | 08:16 |
| tekojo | This is on really short notice, but the maemo.org wiki and the main site (partially) will be down for about 30 minutes | 08:16 |
| zakkm | i want to use nitdroid XD | 08:17 |
| neatojones | I think Mer is supposed to be somewhat usable. It's in heavy development. But can do basics. | 08:17 |
| zakkm | wish there was dsp and sound support | 08:17 |
| neatojones | No sound yet. | 08:17 |
| fireun | I need the aforementioned functionality, which necessitates wifi as well as onscreen keyboard (: | 08:17 |
| neatojones | you can do the deblet hacks though | 08:17 |
| neatojones | Seems like they might have gotten wifi now. | 08:17 |
| fireun | I dont mind being a tester, like I said, I've got two tablets | 08:17 |
| neatojones | onscreen keyboard was working. | 08:17 |
| fireun | when one is one the fritz, I take the other | 08:17 |
| neatojones | check out the Mer page...there is a 770 image | 08:18 |
| fireun | and the one running crappy 2008 is the one with a broken audio socket, so sound is not very important | 08:18 |
| zakkm | fireun, want to purchase a n800? :D | 08:18 |
| fireun | zakkm: no job, and school to pay for, so no. (: | 08:18 |
| fireun | but you can still send it to me | 08:18 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:18 |
| zakkm | trying to sell it | 08:18 |
| fireun | ah, good luck with that... gotta be better odds than selling a YLOD ps3 | 08:19 |
| jaem | zakkm: how much are you looking for? | 08:19 |
| neatojones | n810's are getting pretty cheap I've heard | 08:19 |
| fireun | I'll give ya 10bucks? | 08:19 |
| fireun | (; | 08:19 |
| jaem | I'm not in the market, but I have some friends that we're considering | 08:19 |
| zakkm | 150 Canadian? | 08:19 |
| fireun | right, so like 20bucksUS? | 08:19 |
| jaem | ...sounds a bit high to me | 08:19 |
| zakkm | $118 USD.. + $6 shipping i think it was | 08:19 |
| zakkm | will come with a 4gb SD, and female to female usb adapter.. and a extra case | 08:19 |
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| timelE61i | tekojo: why? | 08:20 |
| neatojones | looks like qole got e17 working *with the illume keyboard in diablo chroot | 08:20 |
| jaem | zakkm: that's not that bad, then, I guess | 08:20 |
| zakkm | debian chroot? | 08:20 |
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| jaem | but I can't afford it :P | 08:20 |
| neatojones | I mean mer | 08:20 |
| neatojones | my bad... | 08:20 |
| zakkm | ;o | 08:20 |
| neatojones | er...ubuntu | 08:20 |
| tekojo | timelE61i: filesystem needs a patch, it leaves stale NFS handles | 08:20 |
| timelE61i | yUm | 08:21 |
| zakkm | i should try that :) | 08:21 |
| zakkm | i need onscreen keyboard ;p | 08:22 |
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| * fireun wonders how long the maemo.org outage will be fore | 08:23 | |
| jaem | my uni uses the website TurnItIn.com for a lot of classes, which essentially forces you to sign over the rights to your papers in order to detect plagiarism... | 08:24 |
| jaem | my friend is in a CS ethics class, and is writing about OSS vs Free Software... | 08:24 |
| fireun | mine required me to write my final in pen, by hand, on wide ruled paper... | 08:24 |
| * fireun gags | 08:24 | |
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| jaem | and we all hate the site, so she's licensing the paper under CC, and claiming legal incompatibility of her license and the ToS as an excuse | 08:24 |
| jaem | :P | 08:24 |
| fireun | plagiarism is a huge stinky cow | 08:25 |
| fireun | no easy way around it | 08:26 |
| GAN800 | Death by a thousand paper cuts; | 08:27 |
| GAN800 | That'll solve it right quick. ;) | 08:27 |
| timelE61i | :( | 08:27 |
| jaem | yeah, but the problem is that paper cuts are hard to inflict on purpose... | 08:28 |
| * timelE61i got a papercut last night | 08:28 | |
| * jaem gives timelE61i another one to match | 08:28 | |
| GAN800 | jaem, clearly there's a weekend robotics project called for. | 08:28 |
| GAN800 | time | 08:28 |
| jaem | GAN800: that's a terrible, evil thing you're proposing, but I like it :D | 08:29 |
| fireun | oh sure, mer .09 on 770 install looks like a piece of cake | 08:29 |
| fireun | not | 08:29 |
| GAN800 | timelE61i, did you cut that evil paper right back? ;) | 08:29 |
| jaem | Scissors beat paper | 08:29 |
| jaem | but paper disproves Spock | 08:29 |
| timelE61i | no, i left it on a table and a coworker rolled it up | 08:29 |
| jaem | also, regarding projects: http://spritesmods.com/?art=swordfish | 08:29 |
| jaem | epic | 08:29 |
| fireun | GAN800: how do you decide who to give the papercuts to? | 08:29 |
| jaem | lottery | 08:29 |
| fireun | so, 10% get 10k papercuts just to put the fear in the rest? | 08:30 |
| jaem | *rigged* lottery | 08:30 |
| jaem | and yes | 08:31 |
| jaem | it's like the Roman practice of decimation | 08:31 |
| jaem | only with less randomness | 08:31 |
| GAN800 | No, we just give fireun all of the paper cuts. :p | 08:31 |
| jaem | OH NOEZ! SOMEONE USED UP THE ENTROPY! | 08:31 |
| fireun | speaking of lottery, when is the android distributed voting system coming out? | 08:31 |
| jaem | I guess we'll have to rig it | 08:31 |
| fireun | GAN800: I set your paper on FIRE | 08:31 |
| fireun | fire beats paper every time | 08:31 |
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| * jaem pulls out his anti-fire matches, strikes one, and #maemo implodes | 08:32 | |
| fireun | it doesnt implode, it just looks like that when it reboots | 08:32 |
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| * fireun is tired of lockups and reboots | 08:32 | |
| GAN800 | It's too bad infobot doesn't have a nuclear option. | 08:32 |
| GAN800 | 770s suck | 08:33 |
| neatojones | fireun: it'll get there. Need people with 770's to test it and make it better. | 08:34 |
| fireun | so mer is bigger than will fit on internal mem? gotta have the 1GB MMC and dual boot eh? | 08:34 |
| fireun | GAN800: its what I've got, and I want to keep using it.. I already have too many unusable tablets | 08:35 |
| fireun | all I use it for is looking up wikipedia, the news, and typing.. its a fraking internet enabled typewriter for me. that is all. | 08:35 |
| fireun | stability is more important than visual candy | 08:35 |
| fireun | the attractive thing about nitdroid is easy to build android apps | 08:36 |
| * fireun thinks dashboard apps should be the same thing | 08:36 | |
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| fireun | neatojones: that could be me | 08:37 |
| timelE61i | fIreun: disable flash | 08:38 |
| fireun | but I've only got one big RSMMC, and its currently in the nicer of the two | 08:38 |
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| fireun | timelE61i: eh? what? | 08:38 |
| zakkm | nitdroid is awesome, if it was only more stable ;p | 08:38 |
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| timelE61i | in your browser | 08:38 |
| fireun | which browser, and why? | 08:39 |
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| * fireun uses noscript in firefox, so only gets flash when he really wants it | 08:39 | |
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| vasily_pupkin | anybody know, why usb host on n810 is so slow? | 08:40 |
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| fireun | why does the mer page say N8x0 can just be flashed, but a 770 needs fancy boot menu and big MMC? | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | fireun: cos a 770 only has 64mb of internal flash? :P | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ok, 128mb | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it's not enough | 08:41 |
| fireun | eye sea | 08:42 |
| fireun | and whats with the 48Mhz kernel mention? | 08:42 |
| fireun | also, I'm guessing that the MMC setup is done in another PC? | 08:42 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: yeah, 128 millibits won't run much these days :P | 08:43 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: any gut feeling when .11 is slated for release? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: MMC setup can be done on 770 itself with a bit of blood sweat and tears, or just through usb mass storage | 08:44 |
| fireun | I've not had the best of luck with usb mass storage | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: 2 weeks from yesterday is the development period and then 1 week of testing, so 6th of april | 08:45 |
| fireun | transfering files over, lags, stops, leaves usb icon on when disconnect, ect. | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | the image wasn't functioning properly so we need to work more structured :/ | 08:45 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: ah, I'm back at school the 1st | 08:45 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: is it going to have the new maemo 5 sdk look? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: are you going to write us opengl drivers? :P | 08:45 |
| zakkm | oh, thats required? | 08:46 |
| fireun | uh | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, no, but we get closer | 08:46 |
| fireun | yikes | 08:46 |
| * neatojones drops out of med school to write opengl drivers | 08:46 | |
| fireun | how about a fully raytraced UI while we're at it | 08:46 |
| * jaem drops out of engineering to work as a doctor to fund it | 08:46 | |
| zakkm | neatojones: appreciate it :) | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: you probably wouldn't be the first | 08:46 |
| fireun | hah | 08:46 |
| * jaem is not sure how that would work | 08:46 | |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: we're going for a layout not unlike http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ | 08:46 |
| * fireun drops out of engineering to sit around in IRC and chat about it | 08:46 | |
| neatojones | lol | 08:46 |
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| * jaem gets the hint and goes to bed so he can get up for his lab >_< | 08:47 | |
| neatojones | Oh, good news for me... | 08:47 |
| jaem | oh? | 08:47 |
| zakkm | so going to make it rotated? | 08:47 |
| neatojones | I matched into Emergency medicine | 08:47 |
| * fireun got all his finals finished today | 08:47 | |
| neatojones | So, I get to be an ER doctor like I had hoped. | 08:47 |
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| neatojones | ...some year | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: no, works in both rotated and non-rotated | 08:48 |
| zakkm | when is testing for that ? | 08:48 |
| fireun | can we have the mer logo pulse while were at it? | 08:48 |
| jaem | neatojones: "this tablet's going into brown-out! Quick - get me the meter!" | 08:48 |
| fireun | "clear!" | 08:48 |
| neatojones | zakkm: Just wait til the day I pull a tablet out of a .... | 08:49 |
| * jaem high fives fireun | 08:49 | |
| zakkm | ? | 08:49 |
| fireun | bzzzert | 08:49 |
| fireun | "take it to 300!" | 08:49 |
| * jaem wonders if tablets are born in cable-tangle nests, like baby switches | 08:49 | |
| neatojones | no | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: only pulse is when it highlights when touched :P | 08:49 |
| neatojones | not 300 | 08:49 |
| neatojones | you'll fry the tablet. | 08:49 |
| neatojones | only 200 | 08:49 |
| neatojones | :D | 08:49 |
| jaem | you're the doctor | 08:49 |
| neatojones | and don't forget to use the gel | 08:50 |
| fireun | "she can take it, give it all ya got!" | 08:50 |
| fireun | ok | 08:50 |
| neatojones | don't wanna leave burn marks | 08:50 |
| jaem | what's the warranty on this patient, anyhow? | 08:50 |
| jaem | "I'm sorry, sir, but you will have to have a low-level format operation" | 08:50 |
| tekojo | wiki.maemo.org and everything else is now back online | 08:50 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: I was kidding, slightly. Dont get me started on UI critique, it'll go on for a while, and get philosophical. | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: my body has not yet touched caffeine this morning so most stuff goes over my head :P | 08:51 |
| jaem | "Reflashing could cause side-effects of lost data and preferences" | 08:51 |
| neatojones | I aviod caffiene...get shak7y | 08:51 |
| neatojones | shaky. | 08:51 |
| jaem | "take two red pills every morning with coffee" | 08:51 |
| jaem | :P | 08:51 |
| jaem | g'night! | 08:51 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: I'm still going on the second steeping of a tea I had at 4 | 08:51 |
| neatojones | people don't like it when you go to do a rectal or pelvic or stitch on someone and your hands are shaking | 08:52 |
| jaem | I wouldn't think so... | 08:52 |
| neatojones | ...not sure why | 08:52 |
| jaem | not that I have experience in that | 08:52 |
| jaem | go figure... | 08:52 |
| fireun | neatojones: coffee caffine, or any? | 08:52 |
| neatojones | I was gonna be an eye surgeon... | 08:52 |
| jaem | you'd fix iPhones? | 08:52 |
| fireun | green tea is the best of all caffine worlds imho | 08:52 |
| jaem | bad move | 08:53 |
| neatojones | really anything...too much stress, lack of sleep, caffeine. | 08:53 |
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| jaem | good thing you didn't | 08:53 |
| fireun | neatojones: remind me never to end up in >your< ER | 08:53 |
| fireun | considering ER doctors usually are on shift for Long Periods (tm) | 08:53 |
| neatojones | "now, let me just make an incision right on the cornea..." "Hey, have you ever seen my collection of glass eyes?" "I'm having a sale." | 08:53 |
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| jaem | haha | 08:54 |
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| fireun | neatojones: should be "and to think, I just got another shipment of 1000 glass eyeballs in yesterday" | 08:54 |
| neatojones | don't worry, they wouldn't have seen my mistakes | 08:54 |
| fireun | "they're giving me the bulk rate now" | 08:54 |
| fireun | har | 08:55 |
| neatojones | lol | 08:55 |
| neatojones | I know...it was so punny | 08:55 |
| fireun | you should see a doctor about that | 08:55 |
| neatojones | There's no helping me. | 08:55 |
| fireun | you may need a punnyplasty | 08:55 |
| neatojones | actually, I could take a medicine to help with the tremor. But, the side effects are junk like diarrhea... | 08:55 |
| fireun | which you would take more medicine to counteract... yadda yadda | 08:56 |
| neatojones | I think I'll take the tremor. Oddly enough, it doesn't have an effect on my suturing and stuff. | 08:56 |
| neatojones | I'm really good at it. | 08:56 |
| fireun | "may cause bleeding from sweat glands and encephalitis" | 08:56 |
| jaem | XD | 08:56 |
| jaem | that's minor in comparison to tremors | 08:56 |
| jaem | I'd take it any day | 08:57 |
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| jaem | how well does video from Ted work on the N810, if it's playing locally? | 08:57 |
| neatojones | they aren't bad. in certain positions. | 08:57 |
| neatojones | and only when I drink caffeine, don't sleep, or am too stressed. | 08:58 |
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| neatojones | alcohol is supposed to help...oddly enough I haven't done *too many pelvic or rectal exams when drunk | 08:58 |
| neatojones | suturing...that's another story. | 08:58 |
| neatojones | jk | 08:59 |
| fireun | I thought about going for a DI program, but then I realized there'd be a lot of old people needing contrast media - not a very pretty picture | 09:01 |
| fireun | so its engineering for me! (: | 09:01 |
| jaem | DI? | 09:01 |
| fireun | diagnostic imaging | 09:01 |
| jaem | ah | 09:01 |
| fireun | radiology | 09:01 |
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| neatojones | I'm an adrenaline junkie. | 09:02 |
| fireun | you wont be forever | 09:02 |
| neatojones | true. | 09:02 |
| jaem | the biomed engineering at my uni gives you premed as well, and a prof was saying that several of his students took an engineering Bachelor's and then went to med school | 09:03 |
| neatojones | luckily, good er docs learn to purge the adrenaline. Otherwise they make mistakes. | 09:03 |
| fireun | heh | 09:03 |
| jaem | I commented that they should have finished up with Law, to round it out | 09:03 |
| neatojones | probably. | 09:03 |
| fireun | jaem: I'm looking at bioengineering (minus the med) | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.forwardon.com/view.php?e=Id1200c8f6b7f5f813 | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh, so true.. | 09:03 |
| neatojones | I ahve a few MD/JD students in my class | 09:03 |
| fireun | jaem: its a young but growing field | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | wait, 40% in comp.sci? :P | 09:03 |
| neatojones | they get both degrees. Only takes 6 years at my school. In the states we have to get an undergrade degree first though | 09:04 |
| neatojones | so, it takes about 10 years + post high school education. | 09:04 |
| fireun | neatojones: the adrenaline does not do a body good | 09:05 |
| jaem | g'night, #maemo | 09:05 |
| neatojones | good night | 09:05 |
| neatojones | yeah. Not on a chronic basis. | 09:05 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: ah, good thing I waited till later in life to go back to school [8 | 09:05 |
| neatojones | short term, it can be a real good thing | 09:06 |
| fireun | bwahaha | 09:06 |
| fireun | neatojones: see definition of "adrenaline junkie" | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: i'm quite convinced the rate in my department is higher | 09:06 |
| neatojones | like when being chased by a bear or something | 09:06 |
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| neatojones | I was actually just joking about that. Like I said, good ER docs learn not to get excited. Keeping our cool is what makes us good in emergency situations. | 09:07 |
| fireun | neatojones: yeah, but you dont feel down that you didnt get chased by a bear today | 09:07 |
| jaem | I know I so | 09:07 |
| jaem | do* | 09:07 |
| neatojones | hmm | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | or being "meh" over a bear coming at you? ;) | 09:07 |
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| neatojones | depends...what kind of bear? | 09:08 |
| Proteous | GOOD BEER | 09:08 |
| fireun | jaem_afk: yeah, thats me | 09:08 |
| neatojones | My wife was wanting a pet grizzly. :) | 09:08 |
| Proteous | the kind that doesn't have a slogan of "drinkablity" | 09:08 |
| neatojones | they're so "cute" when their small, you know. | 09:08 |
| fireun | "I could really go for a good life threatening run from a bear today" | 09:08 |
| fireun | yeah, like racoons are cute when they're small | 09:09 |
| fireun | then they go freaky on ya | 09:09 |
| jaem_afk | well, they say you don't appreciate things until they're gone, and we could all do with appreciating life more :P | 09:09 |
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| jaem_afk | so yeah, being mauled by a bear could be healthy | 09:09 |
| neatojones | lol | 09:09 |
| fireun | sure, but its all appreciating the >past< life | 09:10 |
| fireun | "it was always better back then" | 09:10 |
| neatojones | "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." | 09:10 |
| fireun | "pain is just weakness leaving the body" | 09:10 |
| neatojones | or, maybe just stupid... | 09:10 |
| jaem_afk | fireun: well, presumably there isn't an infinite recursion of afterlives, so we should be fine there :P | 09:10 |
| neatojones | If at first you don't succeed. | 09:10 |
| jaem_afk | you fail | 09:10 |
| fireun | jaem_afk: or >is< there? | 09:10 |
| neatojones | skydiving probably isn't your sport. | 09:10 |
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| jaem_afk | fireun; I have my doubts | 09:11 |
| jaem_afk | neatojones: essentially what I said | 09:11 |
| fireun | jaem_afk: doubts are all you can be sure about ya know | 09:11 |
| jaem_afk | and I'm sure that I doubt that you can be sure of it | 09:11 |
| jaem_afk | gah - IRC kept me up all night last night - I'm >actually< going to bed now | 09:12 |
| * fireun would be a good philosophy major, but there's no money in being unproductive | 09:12 | |
| Proteous | think deep thoughts about being unemployed | 09:12 |
| neatojones | medicine pays well here for now* | 09:12 |
| neatojones | just wait till we go socialized. | 09:13 |
| fireun | Proteous: actually, ends up being mostly shallow thoughts, like "I could really go for a big bacon burger right about now" while eating ramen | 09:13 |
| Proteous | lol | 09:13 |
| Proteous | I gots a pot roast in the oven | 09:13 |
| Proteous | NO RAMEN FOR ME | 09:13 |
| fireun | neatojones: I've been in two bubbles now, I'm not falling for that old line of "if you can just get in the industry, you'll make good money" as soon as you do... *POP* | 09:13 |
| fireun | Proteous: beef roast? | 09:14 |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:14 |
| fireun | I did an great pork roast the other night, its all about the dry rub | 09:14 |
| * fireun had a revelation | 09:14 | |
| Proteous | I make some mean baby back ribs with a nice rub | 09:14 |
| neatojones | Ah, I didn't go into it for the money | 09:14 |
| fireun | I've always gone sauce/marinades... | 09:15 |
| neatojones | I'm actually more interested in international mission work | 09:15 |
| neatojones | Emergency medicine is perfect training for it. | 09:15 |
| Proteous | I do a rub then a BBQ sauce at the end | 09:15 |
| fireun | neatojones: I was interested in the >stability< and excellent support in the work environment | 09:15 |
| fireun | but now, I'm having doubts that it'll be the challenge that will keep me occupied | 09:15 |
| fireun | Proteous: isnt that kind of overkill? | 09:16 |
| Proteous | no no no | 09:16 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:16 |
| neatojones | forget roast...grill | 09:16 |
| fireun | Proteous: my dry rub was half brown sugar, its already glazed and sweetened | 09:16 |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:16 |
| fireun | neatojones: ya gotta be flexible with food | 09:16 |
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| Proteous | I've used a brown sugar based rub with good effect on beef steaks | 09:17 |
| neatojones | I pulled out my grill for the first time this year today. | 09:17 |
| fireun | Proteous: I did an apple concentrate glaze on some game hens for thanksgiving a couple years back, oh man.. that was some good gravy | 09:17 |
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| Proteous | I've never cooked a game hen | 09:17 |
| fireun | eh, I wouldnt recommend it, they were.... too gamey for me | 09:17 |
| Proteous | although we brined our turkey for the first time this year, was great | 09:17 |
| neatojones | I'm gonna end up with an ulcer though. I eat hot sauce on everything. I think I should've been mexican or something. | 09:18 |
| Proteous | you should see my fridge, gotta be 6 or 7 dif hot sauces in there... | 09:18 |
| fireun | Proteous: I'm not a big believer of the boxes of salt trick, it just seems so crazy | 09:18 |
| Proteous | just think juicy moist turkey | 09:19 |
| * fireun hearts home made pickles with jalapeno pepper | 09:19 | |
| neatojones | Proteus: nice. | 09:19 |
| Proteous | it really is the way to go | 09:19 |
| fireun | Proteous: yeah, again, I'm gonna go with a glaze | 09:19 |
| Proteous | although a little cumbersome | 09:19 |
| neatojones | I don't like hot for the sake of hot though. It's gotta have good flavor. | 09:19 |
| fireun | and orange chunks stuffed inside | 09:19 |
| Proteous | I've brined pork chops too, good stuff | 09:19 |
| Proteous | For hot sauce I recomend Tapatio http://www.tapatiohotsauce.com/ | 09:20 |
| fireun | >el< tapatio | 09:20 |
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| Proteous | and sriracha | 09:20 |
| fireun | jebus, if you want to scorch your tastebuds | 09:20 |
| Proteous | tapatio is one of the few hot sauces you get find without vinegar in it | 09:20 |
| fireun | you put that stuff on asian food you dont recognize | 09:21 |
| Proteous | lol | 09:21 |
| Proteous | it's great on eggs | 09:21 |
| fireun | and that stares back at you | 09:21 |
| Proteous | and pot roast sammiches | 09:21 |
| fireun | I can never taste anything BUT the sriracha | 09:21 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:21 |
| * fireun has a sudden crazing for a Vietnamese sandwich | 09:22 | |
| Proteous | this stuff is great on pot roast too: http://72.3.185.161/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TM&Product_Code=FSHM&Category_Code=MST | 09:22 |
| fireun | and a pork bun with an egg inside | 09:22 |
| Proteous | nice | 09:22 |
| fireun | ok, this is NOT #foodnetwork | 09:22 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:22 |
| neatojones | lol | 09:22 |
| * fireun loves watching Good Eats | 09:22 | |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:22 |
| Proteous | alton brown is great | 09:22 |
| fireun | he does Iron Chef America too | 09:22 |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:23 |
| Proteous | I used to watch the orig iron chef on the asian channel with an anntenna | 09:23 |
| Proteous | luckly there were subtitles | 09:23 |
| fireun | everyone should be required to only tv that subtly teaches you something at the same time as it entertains you | 09:23 |
| Proteous | some of the good eats episodes are almost too campy to watch | 09:24 |
| fireun | I got it with voiceover | 09:24 |
| * fireun notices the channel has abrutly been derailed into food | 09:24 | |
| Proteous | lol | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | bacon? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
| Proteous | so, how about those maemos | 09:24 |
| fireun | "my roast beef sandwich just rebooted!" | 09:24 |
| fireun | "how do I flash my hard boiled egg with the squash image?" | 09:25 |
| Proteous | fav mustard? | 09:25 |
| * fireun gets more senile the later it gets | 09:25 | |
| fireun | stone ground spicy | 09:26 |
| Proteous | beaver sweet hot mustard for me | 09:26 |
| fireun | or yeah, that exact stuff | 09:26 |
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| fireun | goes great on anything | 09:26 |
| Proteous | I need to find a souce that has bigger bottles of it | 09:26 |
| fireun | hah | 09:26 |
| fireun | "mustard never goes bad!" | 09:27 |
| fireun | this warehouse food market I used to go to, had a vendor out front during the summer that sold bbq hotdogs and chicken breast on a soft roll... add sweet hot mustard and I was good to go... so good. | 09:28 |
| Proteous | nice | 09:28 |
| fireun | simple eats | 09:28 |
| Proteous | farmers market in town starts up pretty soon, best corndogs ever | 09:29 |
| fireun | I'm getting more and more picky about my hot dogs every year | 09:29 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:30 |
| Proteous | no more $1.99 12 packs? | 09:30 |
| * fireun shudders | 09:30 | |
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| * fireun retches slightly at the thought of the smell | 09:30 | |
| Proteous | hah | 09:30 |
| Proteous | if you boil them long enough... | 09:30 |
| Proteous | change the water a few times | 09:31 |
| fireun | hah | 09:31 |
| fireun | "what are those long things swiming away from the hotdogs?" | 09:31 |
| Corsac | sorry to interrupt you guys, but I saw reports that kismet/aircrack-ng weren't playing nice with the chip driver used in n810/Diablo, is it still the case? | 09:31 |
| fireun | Corsac: I'm am afronted at your sense of OnTopicness! [; | 09:31 |
| Corsac | sorry :( | 09:32 |
| Corsac | can I add mustard to kismet, maybe? | 09:32 |
| fireun | heh | 09:32 |
| Proteous | lol | 09:32 |
| fireun | doesnt make it any more stable, sorry | 09:32 |
| fireun | just harder to clean up | 09:32 |
| Corsac | yeah, I guess so | 09:32 |
| fireun | a simple restart doesnt do the job | 09:32 |
| Proteous | you could use mustards slight abrasive properties to polish your screen | 09:32 |
| * fireun uses screen protectors | 09:33 | |
| Proteous | although you'd never get rid of the smell | 09:33 |
| fireun | yum | 09:33 |
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| * fireun considers a tablet that reaks of sriracha forever | 09:33 | |
| fireun | Corsac: in any case, cant help ya with the 810 on crack issues | 09:34 |
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| fireun | Corsac: I'd ask again when more people are awake | 09:34 |
| * fireun should soon join the reversion | 09:35 | |
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| fireun | Stskeeps: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ | 09:36 |
| fireun | are you suggesting that Mer run on a bic lighter? seriously, why is there a lighter in the pic? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | not my blog, it's wazds, and it's a joke on getting it to run on a lot of different platforms in terms of scalability | 09:37 |
| fireun | ah | 09:38 |
| fireun | whats the site to follow on Mer dev? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | tracking the RSS on http://www.jaiku.com/channel/mer maybe | 09:38 |
| fireun | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer doesnt seem to show a bugtracker link either | 09:39 |
| fireun | hmm, I dont really RSS | 09:39 |
| fireun | nor do I twit | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | well then :P | 09:39 |
| * fireun shrugs | 09:39 | |
| fireun | I'll have to sleep on it | 09:39 |
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| Corsac | mmhh, my UI still doesn't look like that :) | 09:43 |
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| StsN801 | Corsac, yeah, still missing artwork | 09:52 |
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| * rmt taps his foot impatiently.. DHL now says that my N810 is in Perugia and with the courier.. so it's just a waiting game now. | 11:06 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:06 |
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| rmt | I hope it's not a lemon, otherwise I'll be a little disappointed. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | i almost never part with my tablet. | 11:07 |
| rmt | My girlfriend will probably pry it from my hands when we go out together.. she's jealous of computers. ;) | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | don't show her the mahjong port. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | i ended up giving a 770 to mine ;) | 11:10 |
| * rmt grins. | 11:10 | |
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| rmt | You said that you'd upgraded the Gtk libs on diablo to those from Mer.. did it break any applications? They're meant to be API compatible changes, but... | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | so far not | 11:12 |
| rmt | Excellent. :-) | 11:12 |
| rmt | Also, interestingly, trying to do import gtk from python2.5 in scratchbox gives me a not found error.. using the original gtk libraries (my compiled ones require LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be set) | 11:13 |
| rmt | sys.path has the pygtk 2.5 dir | 11:13 |
| rmt | May have to strace it. | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | sb is a can of worms occasionally | 11:15 |
| rmt | I think the best setup may be an NFS mounted devkit on the device itself.. | 11:16 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, nfs mounted devkit... sounds interesting | 11:44 |
| beavis | http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/articles/How+to+be+a+True+b0g+Shitter hahaha, a spider | 11:45 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, arrive safe? | 12:22 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: fidding with my n800 as we speak :-D | 12:23 |
| Myrtti | taking "unboxing" pictures of all the junk I've bought | 12:23 |
| lcuk | you need to put the technology down and start widdling with your new wetware :P | 12:23 |
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| inz | myrtti, byou finally found reasonably priced one? | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | he's at work, and technically so am I | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | inz: @gerrymoth at Jaiku/twitter/identica sold me his old for £70 incl. 4GB MMC | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | I agree | 12:24 |
| Myrtti | technically it's not mine yet, I have to give the bf some backrubs for paying it since gerry didn't know his IBAN/SWIFT | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 12:26 |
| lcuk | heh, so your bf is paying off the n800 by giving proxy backrubs as well or has he paid in cash :p | 12:26 |
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| Myrtti | he paid in cash. in reality I'll probably pay for few times at Tesco etc. | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | my morality wont allow me to brush this off with mere backrubs | 12:28 |
| Myrtti | £70 is a lot of money | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ick, danish news claim 1700 getting laid off in nokia | 12:29 |
| cmug | yeah I saw the press release | 12:31 |
| lcuk | :( | 12:31 |
| x29a_ | backrubs? i want some! | 12:31 |
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| Myrtti | x29a: sorry | 12:31 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: and talking about wetware, he's at work and technically so am I | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | OMG. Numpty physics loads and WORKS. | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | lol :P | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | and down goes Myrtti's productivity | 12:32 |
| Myrtti | nah, just had to put it on to check what's innit | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | I'm going to flash it tomorrow so I'll get a clean slate | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | s/tomorrow/today/ | 12:33 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: I'm going to flash it today so I'll get a clean slate | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | infobot: I love you | 12:33 |
| infobot | You love you? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | what are you gonna do with your n800 while you are flashing? | 12:33 |
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| Myrtti | nuttin :-P | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | :D | 12:38 |
| sanchiii | hi. is there a way to remove packages from extras-devel repository? I built python-simplejson, but now i see it is already there (under simplejson/python-simplejson) | 12:39 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ^^ | 12:40 |
| lcuk | sanchiii, X-Fade is the man in the know i think | 12:40 |
| sanchiii | lcuk, thanks, I will ask him | 12:40 |
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| x29a | hm | 12:55 |
| x29a | is the extra repo down for normal maemo5.2? | 12:55 |
| x29a | i have "no applications available" in the application manager | 12:56 |
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| timelE61i | 5.2?? | 13:04 |
| x29a | thats what it says | 13:05 |
| timelE61i | where? | 13:05 |
| x29a | oh ups | 13:05 |
| x29a | 5.2008.43-7 | 13:05 |
| timelE61i | so... | 13:05 |
| timelE61i | The 2 is from the year :) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: you time travelled and maemo 5.2 is already out ;P | 13:06 |
| timelE61i | And the 5 is a service release number | 13:06 |
| x29a | timelE61i: true, got it | 13:06 |
| timelE61i | The 43 is a week number | 13:06 |
| timelE61i | The 7 is a randomish number | 13:06 |
| x29a | i booted my other version and updated the program cache, now applications seem to be there | 13:06 |
| timelE61i | And none of them tell you which ver of maemo you have :) | 13:06 |
| x29a | hm | 13:07 |
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| qgil | http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ - I swear I found yesterday information about the recommended accommodation from home, and now can't find any info from the office | 13:10 |
| qgil | victim of a big cache issue? | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels | 13:11 |
| qgil | what is the most recent date you see atb http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/index.php/Latest_news | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | "recommended accomendations" | 13:12 |
| qgil | http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels = Not Found for me.... weird | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | DNS issue maybe | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll save a copy, se | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | c | 13:12 |
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| qgil | I just need to know the official hotel name | 13:12 |
| murrayc | I remember some promise about very cheap accommodation. | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hotels1.htm , http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/hotels2.htm | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: "Fagata Hotel" is main hotel it seems | 13:13 |
| * hhahlo got beautiful big "44" blue screen 'bad_pool_caller' (vista sp1) | 13:14 | |
| Stskeeps | er. Fataga | 13:14 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: ah yes, that was the one - thanks! | 13:14 |
| andre__ | yeah, cheap accommodation was "promised" on the guadec mailing list iirc | 13:14 |
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| timelE61i | hhahlo: did you configure useful dmp files? | 13:14 |
| murrayc | andre__: That main hotel is 84.00 per night though. Grumble. | 13:15 |
| hhahlo | timelE61i: no :) | 13:16 |
| andre__ | uh | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo kozak | 13:51 |
| kozak | Hi Stskeeps! | 13:52 |
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| AStorm | hey guys | 13:54 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, esp. you | 13:55 |
| AStorm | you got a free ad | 13:55 |
| AStorm | http://tech.wp.pl/kat,1009781,title,Alternatywny-linuksowy-system-dla-urzadzen-Nokia,wid,10950394,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=17af5 | 13:55 |
| AStorm | (in Polish) | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have to show that to my fiancee :) | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | (she's polish :P) | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh. we made heise.de too | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.heise.de/developer/Alternatives-Linux-System-fuer-Nokias-Internet-Tablets--/news/meldung/134634 | 14:03 |
| RST38h | Instant fame! | 14:08 |
| florian | Stskeeps: Congrats! | 14:08 |
| florian | ah.. Mirko wrote that article | 14:09 |
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| AStorm | Stskeeps, so, they stole it? ;) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it references | 14:13 |
| AStorm | ah | 14:13 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timsamoff | 14:47 |
| timsamoff | Good morning. :) | 14:47 |
| * timsamoff sipped the boy off to school and enjoys yogurt and coffee. Almost paradise. :p | 14:48 | |
| Stskeeps | fish999: heh, a dane? :) | 14:48 |
| fish999 | yup | 14:48 |
| fish999 | why? | 14:48 |
| fish999 | and how? | 14:48 |
| fish999 | :) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | just curious, sitting over at AU and recognized your 130.125 :P | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, 225 | 14:49 |
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| fish999 | hehe :) | 14:50 |
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| Myrtti | dumdidumdidum | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | moop | 15:18 |
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| * lcuk scribbles a heavy circle above Myrtti's head and watches | 15:20 | |
| Myrtti | graah | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | have you started to make catapults yet | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | I could say something about the device first setup daemon in the n800... | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | but it's best that I don't | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | say lots | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | might hurt somebodys feelings | 15:21 |
| lcuk | we dont mind here as long as you code up a replacement yourself | 15:21 |
| Myrtti | exactly | 15:22 |
| lcuk | check out mer's first boot wizard, or even the liqbase one (H) | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | the problem isnt't the first boot wizard itself | 15:22 |
| lcuk | the problem with a firstboot wizard is that once its done its gone | 15:23 |
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| Myrtti | the problem is that the dialog that asks for the country for setting up the dialup configs is too small | 15:25 |
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| Myrtti | I'm seriously going to kill that owl | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. owl? | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | there's an owl hooting somewhere REALLY close | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | and it's doing my head in | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | wood pigeons are worse than owls | 15:33 |
| * lcuk thought owls were active dawn and dusk | 15:33 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, invest in a rocket launcher - nuke them from orbit. its the only way to be sure :) | 15:34 |
| Myrtti | sounds like a plan | 15:37 |
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| * rmt declares triumphantly, "It has arrived!" | 15:43 | |
| Stskeeps | woo | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | please state your initial reactions as a developer when you get to it :P | 15:44 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, will charge it up properly first.. going to search for and follow the website info to get into it now. :-) | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:58 |
| rmt | So will comment on any odd documentation also, although I expect it's pretty complete now. :) | 15:58 |
| rmt | Skype works well .. I was going to spend €100 on a Sennheiser USB headset, but I think I can put that off now. ;-) | 15:59 |
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| Jaffa | af'noon | 16:11 |
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| timsamoff | Hi Jaffa! | 16:13 |
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| timsamoff | jaffa: strep throat? | 16:20 |
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| Jaffa | timsamoff:stomach bug, I'll save you the details | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. ;) | 16:22 |
| timsamoff | Feel better then. | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | aqnd dont come back until you are better | 16:36 |
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| Jaffa | Been there. Done that. With a bucket *too* | 16:36 |
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| rzr_ | any n810 owner can dump a file for me ? | 17:19 |
| pferrill | what u need? | 17:19 |
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| rmt | rzr, what file do you need? I should have ssh in a sec. | 17:32 |
| Myrtti | lolhelp irssi | 17:32 |
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| rmt | And I've got it. :) Nice that the openssh package sets the rootpw for you. :) | 17:34 |
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| RzR | rmt: please join #nitdroid | 18:11 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is boggled http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27554 | 18:44 | |
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| RzR | anyone w/ a n810 please pm me | 18:46 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly what qole's post means | 18:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, which one? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272327&postcount=31 | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, it means no1 will object if you take a more considered overall approach and dont rush to make weekly releases of small stuff (i think) | 18:56 |
| lcuk | ask him | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ah, yeah, that's the 2 week + 1 week testing switch really.. i do have a considered overall approach | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | i've been keeping libraries up to date | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's the simple part, grunt work | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it breaks things, in this case, it was hildon input framework from fremantle | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't function without a finger keyboard :) | 18:58 |
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| mib_xfpda0 | Hello | 19:03 |
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| mib_xfpda0 | does there is some example of HildonTask in python using hildondesktop binding somewhere ? | 19:03 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, where are the Mer repos with all the newer libs? | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ | 19:05 |
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| guusano_ | hi | 19:17 |
| guusano_ | wow so many nicks for a n00b distro!! | 19:18 |
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| X-Fade | lol | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | noob? :P | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, arguably since we aren't all wasting our lives away trying to beat out distro of choice into submission, yeah, I'd say "n00b" applies. ;) | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | We seem to have a nice habit of attracting them | 19:20 |
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| vasily_pupkin | O_O | 19:21 |
| z4chh | guusano_, explain | 19:22 |
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| rmt | Woo, my app, and my compiled libs, all work. :-) | 19:23 |
| vasily_pupkin | maybe guusano_ advanced ubuntu user :D | 19:24 |
| rmt | Only missing extra lib from my scratchbox setup was libgee.. easy to fix. | 19:24 |
| rmt | Now I think it's time to find my MicroSD -> MiniSD adapter and plug in this 8gb card. :) | 19:25 |
| guusano_ | cat I install this on a PSP? it has a mips processor | 19:25 |
| vasily_pupkin | no | 19:26 |
| guusano_ | why not??!! | 19:26 |
| vasily_pupkin | because this is n00b distro :_: | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Because we're a n00b distro. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | s/we're/it's/ | 19:26 |
| lcuk | oooh q&a, guusano_ can you put a fruit pastel in your mouth without chewing it? | 19:26 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Because it's a n00b distro. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, Apple's justification for not allowing background apps is limited to "we can't manage to code ones that behave properly" | 19:26 |
| guusano_ | os only Nokia TM expen$$ive tablets? | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | guusano_, MIPS != ARM | 19:27 |
| lcuk | well technically gan, they have a damned good point | 19:27 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeah | 19:27 |
| lcuk | its those background apps that kill the battery | 19:27 |
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| guusano_ | ah I see | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's a cop-out. | 19:27 |
| lcuk | not really, also i bet theres problems with multiple binaries talking to the screen (sounds familiar) | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, anyway, it's better to leave the choice up to the user. | 19:28 |
| lcuk | ie their framework is the primary app ;) | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's totally not Apple's game, so. | 19:28 |
| lcuk | only if the user can actually draw something on the screen | 19:28 |
| guusano_ | was'n Symbian Nokias OS? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | are apple apps actual apps or just plugins | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, they're applications. . . . | 19:29 |
| lcuk | yeah - like my map and my recent pics and my editor | 19:29 |
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| guusano_ | apple apps are html with java if I am not mistaken | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | guusano_, you are mistaken. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | thats pre | 19:29 |
| guusano_ | ah lol | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're Objective-C for the most part | 19:30 |
| lcuk | id bet they are dynamically linked rather than true apps | 19:30 |
| lcuk | but anyway :) hometime, bbl | 19:31 |
| guusano_ | oh wait!! today's IPhone 3.0 Enent!! | 19:31 |
| vasily_pupkin | ah! this is device for TruЪ geeks ^_^ i want it )) | 19:31 |
| guusano_ | by the way what does Maemo mean? | 19:31 |
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| vasily_pupkin | maemo = distro for n00bs | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | guusano_, it's gibberish. | 19:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo was generated by a random password generator. | 19:32 |
| guusano_ | mm.. I thought might've been a Norway word or something | 19:32 |
| guusano_ | so where can install this besides Nokia's TM tablets? | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're probably interested in Mer, though. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 19:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | pwgen rules | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | ~pwgen | 19:36 |
| * mgedmin waits | 19:36 | |
| mgedmin | infobot: pwgen is the random password generator that was used to generate the name for Maemo | 19:37 |
| infobot | mgedmin: okay | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | ~pwgen | 19:37 |
| infobot | methinks pwgen is the random password generator that was used to generate the name for Maemo | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | cool, my first factoid | 19:37 |
| Meizirkki | ;P | 19:37 |
| guusano_ | oh it was not a joke | 19:38 |
| guusano_ | lol | 19:38 |
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| guusano_ | well it do sound a nordic work | 19:39 |
| guusano_ | isn't there a city somewhere there called Maemo? | 19:39 |
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| mgedmin | the way I've heard it told (by Nokia people) was that they generated random names until they found one that wasn't taken | 19:41 |
| guusano_ | I don't see a x86_64 image | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure if "wasn't taken" means $name.com/$name.org was free in DNS, or if it means 0 google hits | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I heard it was less deliberate than that. | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | It's explained by an Nokian somewhere on a blog | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 19:42 |
| jaska | it makes me think of mämo or mamo.. or emo | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody happened to be generating random passwords and somebody else noticed it, and asked if it were taken. | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | mæmo | 19:43 |
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| cmug | Mämmi. | 19:43 |
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| guusano_ | unicode for the win!! | 19:43 |
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| * rmt grumbles.. it was a MicroSD -> SD adapter I had, not a MicroSD -> MiniSD adapter.. I hope a camera shop here has one. | 19:45 | |
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| z4chh | forgive me if i sound like a complete n00b, is there a current cfdisk.deb anywhere? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | It's in extras-devel | 19:51 |
| z4chh | ahh must have that disabled o.o | 19:51 |
| z4chh | thanks qwert | 19:51 |
| Razumihin | Any ideas why new n810 won't flash? I just get some printout and flasher quits | 19:52 |
| Razumihin | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Extras-devel doesn't come with the device at all (in a disabled or enabled state), if it's not there: | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | ~extras | 19:52 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 19:52 |
| rmt | Btw, my N810 has N00 on it as the model number.. does that mean anything? | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | rmt, means it's a Nokia prototype. | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | z4chh, Also, you'll need to "apt-get install cfdisk" - the application manager wont show it | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | rmt, the Chinese took you in! | 19:53 |
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| rmt | GeneralAntilles, which means (aside from the number)? | 19:55 |
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| z4chh | qwerty12, i do have it but disabled (after i installed canola beta 100) because i tend to install stuff indiscriminately sometimes :D | 19:56 |
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| z4chh | 10* | 19:56 |
| X-Fade | rmt: It means it is not a retail version, so I'm guessing you didn't get it at a shop? :) | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | z4chh, hehe, I, indeed, share the same habit :D | 19:57 |
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| rmt | X-Fade, Expansys.it | 19:58 |
| z4chh | hey qwerty12, you old enough to do gsoc? | 19:58 |
| rmt | Shipped from a warehouse in Marseille. | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | rmt: ick | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | rmt: That is pretty weird. | 19:58 |
| rmt | Yes. | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | rmt: I don't think these devices were ever supposed to be sold. | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | z4chh, nope, two years too young. But my coding knowledge is really dodgy at best | 19:58 |
| rmt | Expansys looks quite legit, and seems quite large. | 19:58 |
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| rmt | Was packed quite well.. as you expect.. secured box. | 19:59 |
| rmt | So, any difference between the prototype and the actual? | 19:59 |
| sjgadsby | Expansys has a bad habit of selling used and open box items as new. | 19:59 |
| X-Fade | rmt: There can be. | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: you might have difficulties flashing firmware images | 19:59 |
| X-Fade | rmt: There is a possibility that you aren't able to flash your device. | 19:59 |
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| X-Fade | rmt: As these prototypes used slightly different hardware. | 20:00 |
| * rmt frowns. | 20:00 | |
| X-Fade | And I'm pretty sure that if you ever send it in for warranty, you will not get any. | 20:00 |
| z4chh | qwerty12, ahh ;p | 20:01 |
| z4chh | anyone else besides me doing gsoc here? >.< | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: what Model + Type does it say under the cover? | 20:02 |
| z4chh | as a student | 20:02 |
| z4chh | blah, you guys are all old farts xD | 20:02 |
| * z4chh hides | 20:02 | |
| * mgedmin strokes his grey beard | 20:02 | |
| mgedmin | ooh, the youth these days... hardly know any $insert_stone_age_computing_topic_here | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | our internet tablets were made from real stone and we had to use pidgeons for tcp/ip | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | and had no spell checkers, so didn't know how to spell pidgeon | 20:03 |
| slonopotamus_ | :D | 20:03 |
| z4chh | im f'ed w/o spell check >.< | 20:04 |
| rmt | Stskeeps, N810, RX-44 | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: that part seems sane.. where do you see the R00? | 20:04 |
| rmt | N00, on the front cover. | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | er, N00 | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | Well, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. | 20:04 |
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| vasily_pupkin | <GeneralAntilles> You're pWell, it's mostly open source, so wherever you want. | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <GeneralAntilles> You're probably interested in Mer, though. [19:34] | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <GeneralAntilles> ~mer | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <infobot> it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <mgedmin> pwgen rules [19:36] | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <mgedmin> ~pwgen | 20:04 |
| rmt | s/cover// | 20:04 |
| infobot | rmt meant: N00, on the front . | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | * mgedmin waits | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <mgedmin> infobot: pwgen is the random password generator that was used to | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | generate the name for Maemo [19:37] | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: wtf? :P | 20:04 |
| vasily_pupkin | <infobot> mgedmin: okay | 20:05 |
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| rmt | neat, infobot. :) | 20:05 |
| vasily_pupkin | <mgedmin> ~pwgen | 20:05 |
| * z4chh steals mgedmin vacuum tubes and punch hole tape | 20:05 | |
| vasily_pupkin | <infobot> methinks pwgen is the random password generator that was used to | 20:05 |
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| vasily_pupkin | generate the name for Maemo | 20:05 |
| *** vasily_pupkin was kicked by GeneralAntilles (Come back when you're done spamming.) | 20:05 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles sets mode: -o GeneralAntilles | 20:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid throttling clients don't let the services do their work. | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | looks like a copy & paste accident to me | 20:05 |
| z4chh | oh sexy GeneralAntilles showing some authority :D | 20:05 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles shows his muscles ;) | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, yeah, that's what I figured, and a little kick is an easy way to fix it. ;) | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | thanks, GeneralAntilles | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, should've been a wink on the end of the kick reason. | 20:06 |
| z4chh | yeah i was looking for it :( | 20:06 |
| z4chh | me: "wtf no smiley at the end?" | 20:06 |
| z4chh | then i was like "he has the one eyed smile .)" | 20:07 |
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| * z4chh stops quoting himself o_o | 20:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Welcome back. :P | 20:08 |
| vasily_pupkin | test | 20:08 |
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| vasily_pupkin | oh. emacs sometimes doing strange things (= | 20:08 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, I will have to try flashing it, I think. | 20:09 |
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| rmt | Stskeeps, Got an 810? Can you pastebin /proc & lspci / lsusb etc info? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: no, sorry, on a n800 | 20:10 |
| z4chh | i just had a "wear is my stylus" panic frenzy :| | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: what does cat /proc/component_version show? | 20:10 |
| z4chh | where* | 20:10 |
| lcuk | lol z4chh reminds me of: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-02-29.log.html | 20:11 |
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| lardman | evening | 20:12 |
| rmt | product RX-44 / hw-build 0805 / nolo 1.1.16 | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | rmt: I have a n810 | 20:13 |
| rmt | mgedmin, Does your component_version match? | 20:13 |
| X-Fade | rmt: I have the same in my N810 | 20:13 |
| z4chh | soap stylus? | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | yes | 20:13 |
| X-Fade | rmt: So it seems to be ok. | 20:14 |
| rmt | Will flash soon anyway.. just to make sure. :) | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | rmt, what's the output of "osso-product-info" as root? Should tell you everything. | 20:14 |
| * rmt still has to have a go at expansys for sending me a slower microsd card than I ordered.. they have the wrong image for their product, but the product codes match the order. | 20:15 | |
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| rmt | Germany, Austria & Switzerland region.. kein problem für mich.. but no italy region? :) | 20:16 |
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| rmt | http://dpaste.com/hold/15700/ | 20:17 |
| z4chh | does anyone here use a swap partition? what size? | 20:17 |
| * mgedmin sees the duke nukem 3d screenshot -- awesome | 20:17 | |
| * slonopotamus_ does. 256mb | 20:18 | |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, link? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | luck: interestingly enough, near the bottom of that irclog link you just pasted here | 20:18 |
| slonopotamus | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='<unknown>' | 20:18 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | slonopotamus: are you root? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | osso-product-info shows most of the fields <unknown> if you aren't | 20:19 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, interestingly enough, i didnt read the whole backlog lol | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | why, I've no clue | 20:19 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, better :) | 20:19 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, i'm root's dad :D | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: well, xchat stripped away everything after the # so I had no idea what you pasted | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | I just have this dangerous habit of clicking on everything that looks like a url | 20:19 |
| lcuk | mmm interesting | 20:20 |
| * RST38h goes over all the wonderful things that can be made to look like urls | 20:20 | |
| * lcuk waves @ lardman | 20:20 | |
| mgedmin | hey, actually lcuk's pasted url had no # | 20:20 |
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| z4chh | yay i got cfdisk installed now i can make a big ass swap partition | 20:21 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, n800 here. region and kb are <unknown> | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really liking eiffel's codenames idea. | 20:21 |
| lcuk | http://www.jonesbigasstruckrentalandstorage.com/ | 20:21 |
| lcuk | z4chh, i read your post in his voice! | 20:22 |
| * lardman waves back at lcuk | 20:22 | |
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| mgedmin | ... and that's because the interesting bit begins at the top of the log, duh | 20:22 |
| * mgedmin lost two palm tungsten t styluses... | 20:22 | |
| z4chh | lcuk, rofl | 20:23 |
| lcuk | ! | 20:23 |
| lcuk | styluses | 20:23 |
| lcuk | jake lost mine | 20:23 |
| lcuk | z4chh, you will never say "big ass swap partition" in your own minds voice again | 20:23 |
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| z4chh | that is hilarious >.< | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The googles, they do nothing! | 20:25 |
| * mgedmin wants a cool job title like "junk specialist" | 20:25 | |
| Stskeeps | sorry, too much red :P | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'll change it to a nicer color | 20:25 |
| lcuk | AWOOOOGA AWOOOGA RED ALERT! RED ALERT! | 20:25 |
| lcuk | THIS IS NOT A DRILL | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | there we go | 20:26 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, you page doesn't fit 800px | 20:26 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, "marius's big ass data military grade storage facility" | 20:26 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 20:27 |
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| * GeneralAntilles ponders what to make for lunch. | 20:27 | |
| * mgedmin thinks it's time for some dinner | 20:27 | |
| slonopotamus | mer's libosso is newer than in fremantle | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, so it goes | 20:27 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:27 |
| lcuk | kickass! | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | good job :) you're ahead per 0.1 | 20:28 |
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| slonopotamus | debian version numbers make me sad | 20:29 |
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| rmt | X-Fade, does your osso-product-info match http://dpaste.com/hold/15700/ also? | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | rmt: it matches mine right until we get to OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | and then, naturally, differs | 20:32 |
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| rmt | Okey. | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, who invented debian version numbers? | 20:33 |
| * mgedmin kinda likes debian version numbers | 20:33 | |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, dunno | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i bet it was something like "lord Harry Debian III" or something | 20:38 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe | 20:39 |
| z4chh | yay i created my "big ass swap partition" :D | 20:39 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i guess he was murdered by misbehaving init script | 20:40 |
| rmt | So, as far as I/we can tell, the only thing different on mine is that it has N00 instead of N810 on the front. I can write a nastygram to Expansys shortly about the microsd card, and bring this up too.. see if I can get some money back. | 20:40 |
| z4chh | 1gb baby...feels good...butter me up :) | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, yeah, but he was recovered from svn a few weeks later by another enthusiast | 20:40 |
| slonopotamus | z4chh, swap never feels good | 20:40 |
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| z4chh | it feels good when you run out of real memory | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | z4chh, have you actually got a use for it? | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | z4chh, that's when it feels worst of all :) | 20:41 |
| lcuk | depends what you are doing,. but i would rather swap out than crash out | 20:42 |
| lcuk | swap is only bad if you keep going in nad out of it | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | crashing can be fun. swapping can't | 20:42 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 20:42 |
| lcuk | depends WHAT you are swapping | 20:42 |
| lcuk | or rather who | 20:42 |
| z4chh | lcuk, not really..but when i do need it..i got it! | 20:42 |
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| z4chh | swap has saved my ass before | 20:43 |
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| slonopotamus | oh! recipe for endless swap: swapon /dev/null | 20:43 |
| lcuk | z4chh, ill make sure i put a special block of code in "if(user=='z4chh') waste_memory(); | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 20:43 |
| z4chh | rofl | 20:43 |
| z4chh | lcuk, give me your best shot, let's see you overflow my memory! | 20:44 |
| * slonopotamus got very weird behaviour when was untarring 100mb file on n800 | 20:45 | |
| lcuk | z4chh, dont try me :) i made liqbase occupy some amazingly high figure when testing the scrolling | 20:45 |
| lcuk | was still responsive though | 20:45 |
| z4chh | rofl | 20:45 |
| lcuk | until it crashed | 20:45 |
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| z4chh | had some leaks did you? | 20:45 |
| lcuk | no i was checking the limits | 20:46 |
| lcuk | someone was talking about listviews in different toolkits and slowdowns | 20:46 |
| lcuk | so i made it load every sketch ive drawn multiple times | 20:46 |
| lcuk | the old system is quite watertight :) | 20:46 |
| * slonopotamus optimized one function @ work from 2 mins to secs today. that's what i call optimization | 20:47 | |
| slonopotamus | to 6 secs | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody go heart dneary's post on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ so we can push it to the front page ASAP. | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | planet had 0 ratings today when i vitied | 20:49 |
| lcuk | did they break it and make hearts and downvotes moderator only :P | 20:50 |
| sjgadsby | Yep, I can't heart anything it seems. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | can you thumb yourself? | 20:52 |
| sjgadsby | Not in public. | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it IS moderators-only. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody else see the heart I put on dneary's post? | 20:53 |
| sjgadsby | No, it's zero hearts, zero thumbs. | 20:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hum, I can see my own heart here. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I see 2 | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | planet maemo is weird | 20:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if something's flubbed with the recent midgard upgrade. | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | with its silly fake redirecting permalinks etc | 20:54 |
| z4chh | what app hogs a lot of memory? | 20:54 |
| z4chh | what is the firefox of the tablet? | 20:54 |
| z4chh | >.< | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | z4chh: maemo mapper | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | zoom in and out a lot | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | and pan a lot | 20:54 |
| z4chh | rofl | 20:54 |
| z4chh | okj | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | well, the browser too if you find a large page | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | timeless had some nice pages for stress-testing browsers | 20:55 |
| lcuk | ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH z4chh stop moving the world around | 20:55 |
| lcuk | i just ate my tea | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272382&postcount=32 | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | only reasonable response | 20:55 |
| * mgedmin rofls @ lcuk | 20:55 | |
| lcuk | lol mgedmin his stress test is excellent | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hehe. | 20:56 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, found it :) http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | z4chh, on your tablet go there ^ | 20:57 |
| lcuk | NSFW though | 20:57 |
| * lcuk forgot that, could give the wrong kind of stress | 20:58 | |
| Razumihin | Great now I have working up to date n810 :) | 20:58 |
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| Razumihin | Hmm... can you suggest any calendar software for maemo? | 20:59 |
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| mgedmin | Dates looks nice, but doesn't do anything, iirc | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | GPE scares me, dunno why | 20:59 |
| lcuk | Razumihin, theres some coming | 21:00 |
| ||cw | GPE calender has worked well for me in the past | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | then there's deja-something, I think, but that one is not open source | 21:00 |
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| ||cw | not using anything now cause google cal sync broke | 21:00 |
| lcuk | fremantle has assets already for a calendar, theres khertans calendar | 21:00 |
| Razumihin | Ok... anyone tried porting evolution? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | and im making a special one :) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 21:00 |
| Razumihin | :) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:00 |
| ||cw | evo is a bit heavy, even for desktop use :P | 21:00 |
| Razumihin | ||cw: I like the calendar side of it. | 21:01 |
| ||cw | worse than outlook, as far as resource usage goes | 21:01 |
| Razumihin | That's true... | 21:01 |
| Razumihin | Yes, on a second thought it might be _bit_ heavy on maemo. | 21:01 |
| fireun | Razumihin: evolution to a tablet? gross | 21:02 |
| fireun | might as well port openoffice | 21:02 |
| Razumihin | :D | 21:02 |
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| Razumihin | Btw is vim-full package available? ;) | 21:03 |
| fireun | gah | 21:03 |
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| Razumihin | I didn't find anything but the default | 21:03 |
| z4chh | alright i opened like 18 apps...i used up almost all of the internal mem + 194mb swap | 21:03 |
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| z4chh | my n800 is now curiously warm >.< | 21:04 |
| Razumihin | :) | 21:05 |
| z4chh | it wonder what would happen if i turned off the swap | 21:05 |
| z4chh | i* | 21:05 |
| Razumihin | z4chh: On the fly? It would crash i think. | 21:05 |
| z4chh | ding ding diny Razumihin is right! :D | 21:06 |
| * z4chh holds down the power button >.< | 21:06 | |
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| Razumihin | Hard to guess what happens when your memoryspace that contained half of your processes drops? ;) | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'll start killing apps. | 21:08 |
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| z4chh | GeneralAntilles, probably, but it froze up pretty good..so i just rebooted | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | hahaha | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | did power button work for you? | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | sometimes I had to pull the battery | 21:09 |
| z4chh | it did | 21:09 |
| bjv[at_work] | So Diablo's "SSU" is just 'the kernel has been put in a .deb' | 21:09 |
| bjv[at_work] | and the Diablo repos periodically are updated with new kernels? | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | ssu is more than a kernel, but thats the gist | 21:10 |
| bjv[at_work] | but it's not like nokia is going to push stuff out to my tablet | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | no, they let you pull new stuff | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | via apt-get instead of downloading 130 mb blobs and reinstalling everything from scratch every time | 21:10 |
| bjv[at_work] | yeah | 21:10 |
| bjv[at_work] | i think ill dive in then, maemo mail client sucks and ive been wanting to see Modest running | 21:11 |
| lcuk | question: should i grow a beard? | 21:12 |
| Razumihin | yes | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you had one before? | 21:12 |
| mgedmin | modest is quite not bad | 21:12 |
| lcuk | no | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then yes. | 21:13 |
| z4chh | i don't like beards | 21:13 |
| lcuk | ive forgotten to shave for a couple of weeks lol | 21:13 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if they fixed the "you're gpg-signing your emails? then I won't show you the message body" bug yet | 21:13 |
| florian | re | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: definately. | 21:13 |
| lcuk | florian, beard or goatee? | 21:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Everybody should have a facial hair or long hair at least once. | 21:13 |
| lcuk | wont i become evil? | 21:13 |
| * mgedmin was disappointed in the whole 'beard' concept when he discovered that beards have to be trimmed periodically | 21:13 | |
| t_s_o | mgedmin: maybe fixed in fremantle... | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/a // | 21:13 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Everybody should have facial hair or long hair at least once. | 21:13 |
| florian | lcuk: uh? :) | 21:13 |
| z4chh | GeneralAntilles, you had both a little more than once it seems | 21:13 |
| z4chh | xD | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If I had a beard, I'd probably be classed as your typical paki... | 21:13 |
| aquatix | lcuk: i've got a goatee and i'm only moderately evil | 21:13 |
| * mgedmin has a ponytail ;-) | 21:14 | |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: facial hair for women? . | 21:14 |
| lcuk | lol - im thinking of you as a member of the facial fluff brigade | 21:14 |
| t_s_o | mgedmin: at least one can get away with trimming it less often then one have to shave... | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, or you could just go the RMS/hobo route. ;) | 21:14 |
| lcuk | florian, do you become less evil when you have a clean shaven chin? | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: what, learn to play a flute? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | :O aquatix thats just not true | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | z4chh, I had long hair for about a year in high school and have had a beard for about 2. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | lol @ female facial hair | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, full beard, then trim it down to a goatee. | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | help, interesting irc conversations don't let me go home! | 21:15 |
| * mgedmin is hungry | 21:15 | |
| sjgadsby | Bah, no goatees. | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hey, if you swing that way buddy, that's your deal. ;) | 21:15 |
| * mgedmin is starving even | 21:15 | |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: isnt that the classical hacker concept of letting it grow until your done with a project? | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | s/your/you're/ | 21:15 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, i did that, but had to get head hair cut when i couldnt drive | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't much care for goatees. | 21:15 |
| * lcuk hadnt cut it since the summit :$ | 21:15 | |
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| * lcuk does a combover with his nipplehair | 21:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, unless you've got a full-only crazy beard you generally have to shave everybody anyway. :( | 21:16 |
| * t_s_o is right now sporting a full beard and hair that have not been cut in 2-3 years... | 21:16 | |
| t_s_o | its become something of a habit... | 21:17 |
| lcuk | shave every day? | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, neck and upper cheeks. | 21:17 |
| t_s_o | nope, the long hair ;) | 21:17 |
| lcuk | why would i want to shave my ass? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | ohhhhhh, those cheeks | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, dunno, but, hey, if you swing that way buddy, that's your deal. :P | 21:18 |
| lcuk | i would just have a wild untamed beard i tihnk | 21:18 |
| lcuk | mrs lcuk wont like it though | 21:19 |
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| aquatix | 20:14:47 lcuk | :O aquatix thats just not true | 21:31 |
| aquatix | but i *have* a goatee! | 21:31 |
| aquatix | :) | 21:31 |
| aquatix | sorry, was afk | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | i meant about you being moderately evil | 21:32 |
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| aquatix | i was being modest | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | lol | 21:35 |
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| jhs_s | hi all! Is anyone else facing the problem that the makedev installation breaks at configure state and thus apt does not allow to install any package that depends on that? | 22:22 |
| sjgadsby | Grr. AccessoryLink still hasn't fixed their site to allow shipping to me. The next device will be out before I manage to buy a replacement N800 LCD. | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What'd you do to your old one? | 22:27 |
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| sjgadsby | I think it's what failed in my N800 that died just before the Summit. | 22:28 |
| sjgadsby | If I disconnect the cable to the LCD, the N800 seems to try to boot. At least, the blue LED does some interesting, POST code looking blinks. | 22:29 |
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| sjgadsby | With the LCD connected, the N800 won't start up at all. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much are they asking for a new LCD? | 22:30 |
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| sjgadsby | About $96. | 22:30 |
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| sjgadsby | Time to head home and take first child to physical therapy. *wavage* | 22:31 |
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| t-nor | someone know how could i fix this error on my N810 : http://pastebin.com/m128e59bd please | 22:40 |
| rmt | t-nor, hiya | 22:41 |
| rmt | t-nor, let me look at it.. | 22:41 |
| rmt | You've been playing with your root shell? | 22:41 |
| t-nor | yep | 22:42 |
| t-nor | through ssh | 22:42 |
| rmt | I suggest you do a dpkg --purge mysql-common then do the install again | 22:42 |
| rmt | It looks like the /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.list file has no contents, but exists.. very strange. | 22:43 |
| lardman | full flash? | 22:43 |
| t-nor | yes | 22:43 |
| t-nor | dual boot | 22:43 |
| t-nor | can't remove :( | 22:43 |
| t-nor | Errors were encountered while processing: | 22:43 |
| t-nor | mysql-common | 22:43 |
| lardman | isn't there a dpkg fix style command too? Might be worth a go | 22:43 |
| t-nor | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should | 22:44 |
| t-nor | reinstall it before attempting a removal. | 22:44 |
| * lardman heads back to the TV | 22:44 | |
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| lardman|afk | good luck though :) | 22:44 |
| RST38h | "Tentacle seen in on of the toilets when members of Kappa-8 were drowning a live rat. IÁ | 22:45 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you get stranger and stranger every day :D or at least since you found/created that site you keep referencing | 22:45 |
| rmt | t-nor, You could try that.. what were the removal errors? | 22:45 |
| RST38h | 've had to assure them that it won't harm them to sit on the toilet, just to stop them doing their business elsewhere" | 22:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I am mining deeper and deeper into the caverns of insanity | 22:46 |
| t-nor | if i do : dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge mysql-common is it ok ? | 22:46 |
| rmt | t-nor: Give it a go. :-P | 22:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In fact, some of the stuff from that site I am afraid to quote. It is not just weird but disturbing. | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | t-nor, you can only find out by trying :D | 22:46 |
| lcuk | RST38h, have you signed up yet and tried to post your own | 22:47 |
| t-nor | it work | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | or do you have to be qualified | 22:47 |
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| t-nor | but same problem when i try to reinstall mysql-common | 22:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No way I go in that direction. | 22:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You know how it will eventually end up, don't you? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | Uncyclopedia? | 22:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: this stuff is way worse than uncyclopedia or plain wiki, in psychiatric terms =) | 22:49 |
| lcuk | car crash tv bad? | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | bbl anyway | 22:51 |
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| * rmt also notes that he got his N810*cough*N00 with dutch instructions .. in Italy .. Het is wel geluk, dat ik nederlands kan praten! | 22:52 | |
| rmt | (It's good luck, that I can actually speak dutch) | 22:52 |
| Pavlov | my n810 isn't cooperating with me today | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick. | 22:53 |
| xnt | lol | 22:53 |
| * lcuk hits pavlov with a stick: cooperate damn you | 22:53 | |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: i have more broken n810s from doing that.. | 22:53 |
| t-nor | maybe package mysql-common on http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free is broken | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | Pavlov, the problem is not with the n810 :P | 22:54 |
| lcuk | but im gone | 22:54 |
| t-nor | someone could test it on his device pls | 22:54 |
| rmt | t-nor, unable to execute new preinstallation script is the error? | 22:54 |
| Pavlov | ;) | 22:54 |
| t-nor | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory | 22:54 |
| t-nor | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common_5.0.32-7etch6maemo0_all.deb (--unpack): | 22:54 |
| t-nor | subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 | 22:54 |
| t-nor | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory | 22:54 |
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| rmt | Post removal script .. edit it manually .. /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-common.postrm | 22:55 |
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| xnt | have any of you seen this? http://i.gizmodo.com/5160685/vmware-for-mobile-devices-lets-you-run-windows-and-android-simultaneously android+Mer+Maemo+OMAP3(Fremantle)=my dream NIT | 22:55 |
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| rmt | t-nor, Find what's causing the issue.. and how you/they screwed it up. If it's them, report a bug.. | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | xnt: yeah, old news | 22:56 |
| Pavlov | this one here i cracked its screen when i hit it with a stick ;( | 22:56 |
| Pavlov | now i just use it to charge my batteries | 22:56 |
| xnt | oh lol, I just saw this and I was like wtf | 22:56 |
| t-nor | rmt: how could i find the causing issue ? | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | xnt, Fremantle is a software codename, not a hardware codename. | 22:57 |
| xnt | GeneralAntilles: oh ok, I Meant to say android+mer+Maemo5(Fremantle)+OMAP3=my dream nit :P. thanks | 22:58 |
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| xnt | offtopic: http://i.gizmodo.com/5171829/the-one-place-you-definitely-dont-want-to-see-a-windows-error-message lol WindowsCE fail | 23:01 |
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| t_s_o | ye crap | 23:04 |
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| timeless | andre__: ping | 23:12 |
| andre__ | timeless, pong | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | t-nor, i *believe* the sqlite .deb you are trying to install includes something that is docpurged, i had the issue once, i karate chopped my way through it by copying ( a few times it got "got" at first) a dummy file into its expected place in the doc folder thingy | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i didnt know how to do any other kind of foo :$ | 23:33 |
| jaem_afk | poll: how many folders called "foo" do you have on your primary computer? | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | jaem: dear god. | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | too many. | 23:34 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: I know exactly what you mean | 23:34 |
| t-nor | i also have have this error : | 23:34 |
| t-nor | Unpacking libqt4-phonon (from .../libqt4-phonon_4.5.0-0maemo1_armel.deb) ... | 23:35 |
| t-nor | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-phonon_4.5.0-0maemo1_armel.deb (--unpack): | 23:35 |
| jaem | every once in a while I run across one I haven't seen in a while, and say to myself "I wonder what's in that" | 23:35 |
| t-nor | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libphonon.so.4', which is also in package libphonon4 | 23:35 |
| jaem | usually it's something I should have deleted weeks ago | 23:35 |
| * lcuk wont ask whats inside foo | 23:35 | |
| ShadowJK | z4chh, have you disabled the watchdog or something to be able to reach that high swap use.. | 23:36 |
| jaem | preliminary results for me: 5x foo, 1x foobar on primary computer, 2x foo, 1x bar on secondary computer | 23:37 |
| jaem | and probably a few more that I'm forgetting about | 23:37 |
| jaem | lcuk: nothing bad - just stuff that wasn't important enough to spend a few seconds thinking up a name for | 23:37 |
| lcuk | "new folder" | 23:38 |
| lcuk | foo is a name | 23:38 |
| jaem | but not a meaningful name | 23:38 |
| jaem | and it's one that takes no thought | 23:38 |
| jaem | except later when you forget what's in it | 23:38 |
| jaem | lol | 23:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:38 |
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| jaem | *poof* | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo opengeekv2 | 23:47 |
| opengeekv2 | Hi | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | how goes? | 23:48 |
| opengeekv2 | Im gooin to sleep right now i was only seeing who's there | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:48 |
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| opengeekv2 | I've seen that mer is growin quikly | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. still good need of hands though | 23:50 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: I'd be happy to help if I can, but I don't have much Linux programming experience in relevant languages (I'm trying to learn it, but I'm fairly busy) | 23:51 |
| jaem | so if there's anything else, I'd be happy to help | 23:51 |
| opengeekv2 | Yes i know but im so busy studying and my coding skills are not veryy good | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: hehe | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.11 | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | any of the components you'd match in? | 23:51 |
| jaem | I didn't know that sprint was out yet, or I would have checked - let me see | 23:51 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: What's the advantage of Xomap (and what are we using now?)? | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: .. currently using xserver-xorg-video-omapfb, and speed, and performance, and rotation | 23:53 |
| jaem | ah | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | downside is that it isn't Xorg. | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | P | 23:53 |
| jaem | how much better is it? | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | quite a fair bit, but HIM stops working on it | 23:54 |
| jaem | that would be an issue | 23:54 |
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| papagaj | hi, is there a common solution in Maemo to implement network communication via HTTP? | 23:55 |
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| papagaj | I've tried libsoup and gnome_vfs_read_entire_file so far | 23:56 |
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| Stskeeps | jaem: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27241&page=4 is also a possibility | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | it is mostly patch-and-merge stuff really | 23:56 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: I could probably help with Docs - are there more specifics anywhere on what want (formats, presentation style, level of detail, etc)? | 23:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, well, just some basic documentation on mer workings, such as installer / flashing the jffs / using the vmdk, .. i guess | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | wiki style documetnation | 23:58 |
| opengeekv2 | Maby i can help translating mer to catalan or spanish | 23:58 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: the repackaging sounds like something I could manage, although Debian packages give me headaches... :P But that part looks fairly trivial | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: it would be worth investigating infrastructures for cooperating with l10n at least, yeah | 23:58 |
| opengeekv2 | There are some people in catalonia that would be happy to use their tablets in catalan | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: it's mostly diffing, ignoring all the autoconf bullshit and applying and fixing up changelog | 23:59 |
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| jaem | lol | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | it is just time consuming, which i have little of | 23:59 |
| jaem | I could probably do that | 23:59 |
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| opengeekv2 | Ok i understand that you dont have the infrastruvture mounted yet | 23:59 |
| jaem | well, I don't have much time either, but I can try to get some stuff done there | 23:59 |
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