| lcuk | b-man, my linux skills are still very low, bare minimum | 00:00 |
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| Anidel | sound good | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | but im not here now :P | 00:00 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've lost my taskbar | 00:01 |
| b-man | lcuk: but you make some brilliant software for maemo - liqbase :D | 00:01 |
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| Anidel | done qwerty :) useful | 00:02 |
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| lardman | anyone know where window manager errors should be reported (by the process, so I can work out why I have no taskbar)? | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | lardman, in maemo? | 00:08 |
| lardman | no, ubuntu | 00:08 |
| lcuk | ahhh dunno then lol | 00:09 |
| lcuk | btw: | 00:09 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> lardman|gone, i just noticed: on the tablets-dev page it shows our tablets have a qr code barcode :O | 00:09 |
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| lardman | yes, ask derf to see if his decoder works on it ;) | 00:09 |
| lardman | damn, no terminals and no taskbar | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: try killing gnome-panel and seeing if it pops bacj | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/bacj/back/ | 00:10 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: lardman: try killing gnome-panel and seeing if it pops back | 00:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: any ideas how to get a term? | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alt+f1 brings up a run dialog iirc | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | lol something worked | 00:11 |
| lcuk | anyway, back to x11test/ | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oops. alt-f1 logs you out and activates the bomb :/ | 00:11 |
| lcuk | hehe you the evi1 | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, it's alt-f2 as well :) | 00:13 |
| * qwerty12_N800 only knows 'is Win+R :) | 00:13 | |
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| lardman | re | 00:15 |
| lardman | switching VTs seemed to kill everything | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: finally cloned & i'm finding shopper really useful (well, as a general purpose list app) :) | 00:16 |
| lbt | I'm glad :) | 00:17 |
| lbt | it gets better with rotation... | 00:17 |
| lbt | coming soon | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe :) | 00:17 |
| lbt | mind you - I think you'll be the only other user until I get the Mer port working... | 00:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Not entirely sure my cloning method was clean though - browser complains about the storage location upon each startup... | 00:20 |
| lardman | aargh, no gnome-panel running at all | 00:21 |
| Anidel | b-man untarring the Ubuntu rootstrap using the tablet's TAR is gonna work ? | 00:21 |
| lardman | and it's unwilling to be started | 00:21 |
| b-man | Anidel: it should | 00:21 |
| Anidel | b-man: I'll let you know :) | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: what did you do to abuse the poor thing? :( | 00:22 |
| lardman | nothing, it just locked up all of a sudden so I killed the Xserver | 00:22 |
| Anidel | after that simply reboot ? or do I hve to rerun refresh_bootmenu.d ? don't think so.. should care less about the files in the partition | 00:23 |
| Anidel | *shouldn't | 00:23 |
| * Anidel is happy, probably tomorrow is new baby is going to arrive (mini 9) | 00:24 | |
| b-man | Anidel: you need to run refresh_bootmenu.d after adding the item file | 00:24 |
| Anidel | it's already there and configured | 00:24 |
| Anidel | watching 24 s1x1 ! (long way to go!:)) | 00:25 |
| lbt | Jack dies | 00:25 |
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| b-man | Anidel: you'll nedd to reboot, but before that apply the changes that i noted in the release note under the imsge link | 00:26 |
| b-man | *image | 00:26 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: starting then killing gnome-panel did the trick, it then respawned. No clue why it didn't do that after boot mind you | 00:27 |
| b-man | pluse i'd suggest running apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade also - that image is pritty old | 00:28 |
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| b-man | @Anidel | 00:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: heh | 00:28 |
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| lbt | so qwerty12_N800 - you got a big enough list to scroll yet? | 00:30 |
| lardman | right, I've added some fixed to maemo-barcode so that one can add/edit/delete data entries, though I still can't get the alterations to turn up in the list view for some reason (until I restart the app) | 00:30 |
| lardman | s/fixed/fixes | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: Heh, not yet :) | 00:30 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d549dccd6 | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: adding something like "dh_link /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps/shopper/shopper.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/shopper.png" to your debian/rules will get the correct size shopper icon displayed in the left task switcher (instead of the oversized one for that area) | 00:32 |
| Anidel | b-man will do | 00:33 |
| * Anidel my cat's Momo obscures the screen's view :) | 00:34 | |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: looking here and clicking on the left screenshot - is that 'oversize'? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ | 00:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: well, it's certainly the wrong size for that area :), open any of the default Maemo apps | 00:35 |
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| lbt | on that screenshot it's the same size (approx) as the globe, the men, the 4-squares... | 00:36 |
| lbt | but you're right | 00:37 |
| lbt | most apps are tiny | 00:37 |
| lbt | weird | 00:37 |
| lbt | well, Shopper has to be big to fit lots of things in... | 00:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Ooh, the scrolling is nice. :) | 00:40 |
| lbt | thankyou :) | 00:41 |
| lbt | it was hard work! | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 00:42 |
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| lbt | notice you can even scroll by touching a checkbox... | 00:42 |
| lbt | and it won't activate | 00:42 |
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| lbt | nigt | 00:43 |
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| GAN800 | Wow, the ghosting on penguinbait's post on this thread with minimalist on an N800 is pretty psychadelic. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=270540 | 00:46 |
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| Addison | Greetings everyone! | 01:29 |
| Addison | Hey, anyone want to help me figure out how to Hotsync Garnet VM for the first time? | 01:30 |
| Addison | This is as far as I can get... | 01:30 |
| Addison | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8641/46527042.jpg | 01:30 |
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| Addison | Any takers on helping me with Garnet? :) | 01:43 |
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| tank-man | where are you stuck? | 01:46 |
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| Addison | Trying to Hotsync for the first time. | 01:47 |
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| tank-man | i have never done it but i believe you have to set it to sync over lan | 01:47 |
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| Addison | I have USB and Network checked under connections. | 01:48 |
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| Addison | Not sure what to do next in getting Hotsync to work. | 01:50 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 01:56 |
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| Macer | what a wonderful day | 02:42 |
| Macer | if i win the mega millions lottery then it would be perfect :) | 02:42 |
| Macer | heh | 02:42 |
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| kaie | I wonder what root CA cert storage xchat uses on n810. xchat on fedora recognizes irc server gravel.mozilla.org, xchat on n810 says invalid, pidgin on n810 says valid | 03:14 |
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| * Firefox16 finally updates the ubuntu-n8x0 repo after fixing the upload issue | 04:12 | |
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| cactaur | Hey, anyone know what price a good deal on a bluetooth keyboard should be around? | 04:54 |
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| robink | cactaur: A standard one or a collapsable one? | 05:19 |
| cactaur | both | 05:20 |
| cactaur | I haven't actually been able to find a collapsable one. | 05:20 |
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| robink | ah | 05:26 |
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| cactaur | But do you know how much a standard should cost? | 05:27 |
| tank-man | the expensive apple one is about $70 | 05:28 |
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| zeptar | hi everybody | 05:39 |
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| zeptar | i got my nokia about 2 months ago | 05:39 |
| zeptar | can anyone give me any pointers, my n810 stopped taking passwords for ssh today and i cant figure out why | 05:40 |
| zeptar | i checked /etc/sshd_config and everything appears to be there | 05:40 |
| zeptar | i even added AllowUsers user and i still cant get in | 05:41 |
| zeptar | application manager won't let me uninstall OpenSSH | 05:42 |
| zeptar | pls help | 05:45 |
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| lpotter | any error messages? | 06:07 |
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| qgil | morning, anybody subscribed to maemo-users deleting systematically email threads lately and thinking that discussion would be better handled in ITt/talk.m.o? | 07:28 |
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| andre__ | it's been quite noisy and i admit that i simply marked some entire threads as read | 07:33 |
| andre__ | e.g. "device usage" etc | 07:33 |
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| Sunnydips | Is anyone online? | 07:49 |
| Sunnydips | I was hoping to get some tech support with the tablet update wizard... I get the windows clock message and nothing I do fixes it. I click back then next several times and nothing... Can anyone help me? | 07:50 |
| qgil | just noticed http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/06/nokia_text_art/ | 07:52 |
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| sisto | any news on the new tablet? | 07:58 |
| StsN802 | it'll have friggen lasers | 07:59 |
| sisto | miren esto! http://xkcd.com/528/ | 08:00 |
| sisto | i mean look at this | 08:01 |
| Myrtti | StsN802: I love you ;-) | 08:01 |
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| Sunnydips | hey, do yall know anything about the windows clock problem when trying to flash? | 08:02 |
| Myrtti | qgil: I had a similar kind of app in my phone... | 08:03 |
| Myrtti | it used the call/sms log | 08:06 |
| Myrtti | can't find the screenshot I took, of course | 08:07 |
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| Myrtti | oh, right | 08:08 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3130130375/ | 08:08 |
| Myrtti | ooooh, a Gwibber screencast! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WlXKlMXGxw | 08:13 |
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| RST38h | moo myrtti | 08:29 |
| johnx_ | Mx00f | 08:30 |
| * StsN802 curses the non working coffee | 08:31 | |
| RST38h | heya johnx | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: switch to ephedrine? =) | 08:31 |
| johnx_ | <- french press, strong coffee | 08:31 |
| * robink installs Gwibber | 08:34 | |
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| RST38h | johnx: btw, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10,0,6051682.story | 08:35 |
| RST38h | priceless | 08:35 |
| robink | Myrtti: Do you recommend Gwibber? | 08:36 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, been a long time since there was a clear example of highway robbery | 08:38 |
| Myrtti | robink: I've used it since June or so and have translated it to Finnish, so yes. | 08:38 |
| robink | Myrtti: Ah. | 08:41 |
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| RST38h | johnx: surely it happens just does not get onto dailyrotten =) | 08:43 |
| RST38h | "Whatever process the subject uses to convert organic matter into furnishings, it is apparently only facilitated by the introduction of living humans." | 08:43 |
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| robink | Hmm, gwibber wants mx.DateTime | 08:55 |
| robink | Oh, needs to be rebuilt for Python 2.5. | 08:57 |
| * johnx_ reads iTT, has trouble understanding the whole "us vs. them" fanboy psychology ... | 08:57 | |
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| hahlo | johnx_: what post in ITT? | 09:01 |
| johnx_ | any thread involving apple products or the pandora | 09:01 |
| robink | What are they saying about the Palm Pre? | 09:01 |
| johnx_ | depends on who you mean :) | 09:02 |
| robink | ah :-) | 09:02 |
| johnx_ | Palm's investors are saying everyone who bought an iPhone will be switching inside two months :) | 09:02 |
| robink | Hah, not likely. | 09:02 |
| johnx_ | that's what Palm said :D | 09:02 |
| * robink wants to see the GMA500 driver mess sorted out | 09:03 | |
| robink | Hopefully it'll mean better PowerVR drivers all around. | 09:04 |
| johnx_ | I'm betting binary libs will be involved in userspace | 09:04 |
| robink | That's a bummer. | 09:05 |
| johnx_ | I guess we'll see if Intel can stromgarm them into it or not | 09:05 |
| hahlo | one daughter got iphone but liked to switch 5800 | 09:06 |
| robink | johnx_: If they can, do you think we'll see opensource drivers for the other variants of the PowerVR chipset as well as an effort to get a hopefully unified driver ported to ARM? | 09:06 |
| johnx_ | I have no idea :) | 09:06 |
| robink | johnx_: Ah. | 09:06 |
| johnx_ | I don't know who different all the PVR variants are | 09:06 |
| robink | Ahh. | 09:06 |
| johnx_ | but some of the pandora community people have been looking at reverse engineering a pvr driver for the sgx | 09:07 |
| robink | johnx_: Neato. | 09:07 |
| * johnx_ finds a link | 09:07 | |
| robink | johnx_: That's the PowerVR chipset in the 3xxx? | 09:07 |
| johnx_ | yeah | 09:07 |
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| johnx_ | just googled the sgx535 / Intel "Poulsbo" chipset. Not looking very hopeful :/ | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, think they might be doing something in xserver-xorg-video-intel | 09:15 |
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| robink | Bah, I can't get Gwibber to display any status updates from Facebook or Twitter. | 09:18 |
| robink | Hell, I can't even get it to pull from RSS feeds. | 09:19 |
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| timelE61i | gOod morning | 09:56 |
| Myrtti | hello babeh | 09:57 |
| * Stskeeps ponders why Myrtti is in such a good mood today | 09:59 | |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: it's the painkillers | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | i know the feeling though, when i wake up in the morning and my back isn't killing me, i'm in a good mood :P | 10:01 |
| Myrtti | though... | 10:01 |
| Myrtti | I heard yesterday at the doctors that the painkiller that is my own favorite is on prescription in UK because it causes ulcers, and kills about 100 in Finland pa. | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand parcetamol painkillers kill much more.. when used for suicide attempts | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | so... I guess *cough* I should *cough* stop taking it in quadruple amounts *cough* and perhaps *cough* changing them to something else... | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: more than ketoprofen? | 10:03 |
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| Myrtti | though, paracetamol is over the counter in most countries | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:03 |
| Myrtti | ketoprofen is too in Finland | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | we have a large debate on it atm | 10:03 |
| Myrtti | the doc was nice enough to give me stomach protection pills too this time | 10:03 |
| Myrtti | so I can safely take 8 fold amount of the OTC amount... | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | my dad used to be addicted to painkillers unintentionally, so i have a golden rule i have to be in pain for atleast 4 hours before i take a painkiller :P | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I've been in pain for year and a half | 10:05 |
| Myrtti | next suggestion | 10:05 |
| Myrtti | does anyone know a good visual code merging tool? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a diff tool that actually understands C ASTs, so it can merge more sanely, heh | 10:06 |
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| johnx_ | heh...I bet AI will be a by product of smart merging tools eventually :) | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: if you're bored at some point, Accelerando isn't a bad ebook btw | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | comes in fbreader friendly format :P | 10:08 |
| johnx_ | yup, read it when it first came out :) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay | 10:08 |
| johnx_ | then read it like 4 times after that | 10:08 |
| johnx_ | lots of interesting concepts, huh? :D | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, plenty interesting company ideas :P | 10:09 |
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| johnx_ | it's legal to make a company like that in Maine IIRC :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | think my gf (who's an economist) might get a kick out of it | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: that SmartQ 5 needs Mer. | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| johnx_ | badly | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | anyhow, i'm off to get the bus | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | catch, i mean | 10:11 |
| johnx_ | they're where we were 6 months ago :) | 10:11 |
| johnx_ | yeah, i've gotta head out too | 10:11 |
| Pavlov | hrm | 10:12 |
| Pavlov | anyone know anything about how to build source deb packages? | 10:12 |
| johnx_ | a little bit | 10:12 |
| johnx_ | do you have a source tree you can build with ./configure ; make | 10:12 |
| johnx_ | ? | 10:12 |
| Pavlov | mm | 10:12 |
| Pavlov | no | 10:12 |
| Pavlov | basically, i want to push fennec beta 1 builds to extras, but there seems to be a requirement that we push source debs up as well | 10:13 |
| johnx_ | right | 10:13 |
| johnx_ | so you need to make .deb packaging for it? | 10:13 |
| Pavlov | well, we have the binary stuff done | 10:13 |
| Pavlov | for building the debs, just not sure how to do source stuff | 10:13 |
| Pavlov | no one really knows dpkg stuff here ;/ | 10:14 |
| johnx_ | well, how do you build fennec normally? what sequence of commands? | 10:14 |
| Pavlov | well, in scratchbox pull a couple trees from hg, make a slightly-non-trivial, but copyable "mozconfig" (mostly just configure flags and some environment variables), and then run our build command | 10:15 |
| Pavlov | its not super complicated, really | 10:16 |
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| timelE61i | johnx ... | 10:16 |
| Pavlov | but does have some compiler dependancies (cs2007q3), etc | 10:16 |
| timelE61i | pavlov: you want to push mozilla binaries, right? | 10:16 |
| Pavlov | yes | 10:16 |
| Pavlov | signed and whatnot | 10:16 |
| timelE61i | Because normally if you push source debs | 10:16 |
| timelE61i | An autobuilder makes binaries | 10:17 |
| Pavlov | ah | 10:17 |
| Pavlov | i'd prefer to push signed debs | 10:17 |
| timelE61i | I think you need to talk to whomever controls that stuff | 10:17 |
| timelE61i | Poke x-fade? | 10:17 |
| Pavlov | X-Fade: hi! | 10:17 |
| timelE61i | Yeah i'm well aware of what you want | 10:17 |
| johnx_ | Pavlov, if I were you I would take the ubuntu source packages from here: https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa | 10:17 |
| johnx_ | then just make the maemo specific tweaks | 10:17 |
| timelE61i | I've spoken to people from both sides | 10:18 |
| timelE61i | Afaict what you want can't be done | 10:18 |
| Pavlov | really? | 10:18 |
| johnx_ | dependencies go in debian/control. adjustments to the build process go in: debian/rules. | 10:18 |
| timelE61i | Otherwise i'd have outlined it in bmo | 10:18 |
| Pavlov | should we just push to, uh, nonfree? | 10:18 |
| Pavlov | (which would be dumb) | 10:18 |
| timelE61i | That's one approach that's been mentioned, yes | 10:18 |
| timelE61i | It isn't ideal since people will whine | 10:18 |
| Pavlov | right | 10:19 |
| timelE61i | But short of sidestepping the autobuilder, there isn't another way forward that satisfies your requirements | 10:19 |
| Pavlov | ok | 10:19 |
| Pavlov | so we can just continue to use our own repo | 10:20 |
| Pavlov | thats fine with me too | 10:20 |
| timelE61i | Gimme 10mins and i'll talk in person instead of typing in my overheating phone | 10:20 |
| Pavlov | was just hoping to put stuff in extras since several people had asked | 10:20 |
| * timelE61i knows | 10:20 | |
| johnx_ | so signed debs is a hard requirement? | 10:20 |
| timelE61i | yes | 10:20 |
| timelE61i | Err | 10:20 |
| timelE61i | Mozilla built+signed is | 10:20 |
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| timelE61i | i thought i made that clear last time we discussed this | 10:21 |
| timelE61i | Hey joduinn | 10:21 |
| johnx_ | timelE61i, I was asking Pavlov, but now I'm just confused :) | 10:22 |
| joduinn | timelE61i hey there | 10:23 |
| Pavlov | johnx_: its complicated ;/ ;) | 10:23 |
| johnx_ | yay, complicated :) | 10:23 |
| * joduinn baffled on what's needed, but will wait to hear more from Pavlov | 10:23 | |
| timelE61i | Johnx: i'm here, but i'm more of a mozilla person than a nokia/maemo person | 10:23 |
| johnx_ | ah, I always forget that | 10:23 |
| timelE61i | Nokia just pays the bills | 10:23 |
| johnx_ | so, if a 3rd party made unofficial source packages they could go in extras? :) | 10:23 |
| timelE61i | I'd get them kicked out | 10:24 |
| timelE61i | But ... | 10:24 |
| timelE61i | :) | 10:24 |
| johnx_ | ouch, that's kind harsh | 10:24 |
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| timelE61i | joduinn: basically short of someone cheating server-side or pushing to non-free, what you want isn't possible today | 10:25 |
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| timelE61i | If it was, i'd have explained how to do it in bmo last week | 10:26 |
| johnx_ | ah, right. I'd (hypothetically) have to call it something besides fennec, and remove all branding, correct? | 10:26 |
| StsN800 | signing resulting debs or? | 10:26 |
| joduinn | timelE61i yeah, its ok, I'm not looking to have someone cheat behind the curtains as a quick fix(!) ... mostly trying to clarify exactly what we are expecting to hand over to maemo. | 10:27 |
| timelE61i | mozilla built+signed debs | 10:27 |
| joduinn | as you can imagine, that changes what we in RelEng have to do | 10:27 |
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| timelE61i | Not autobuilder built+signed | 10:27 |
| StsN800 | ah | 10:27 |
| StsN800 | yeah, non-free | 10:28 |
| timelE61i | Well. If you're willing to compromise on who does building+signing | 10:28 |
| timelE61i | It's doable | 10:28 |
| Pavlov | can you ensure that the build machines are set up properly for what we need to do? | 10:28 |
| Pavlov | right compiler, etc/ | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 10:31 |
| hahlo | wonder why some pages ruin microb quite soon, and others play just fine, what features makes browserd mad? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ten bucks on flash | 10:33 |
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| wazd | hey everybody | 10:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: ping?) | 10:34 |
| hahlo | but youtube seems to work | 10:34 |
| StsN800 | hahlo, youtube is well behaved | 10:34 |
| hahlo | is there flashblock for microb? | 10:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0903/3c/0de04ca55c6c.png | 10:35 |
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| timeless | just turn off flash by clicking the magnifier, components | 10:37 |
| StsN800 | you can do that? | 10:37 |
| StsN800 | neat! | 10:37 |
| timeless | turn it on when you see a box you want | 10:37 |
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| aquatix | 'sup? | 10:39 |
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| X-Fade | Pavlov: The autobuilder has everything the regular SDK has. | 10:40 |
| Pavlov | X-Fade: ok, so the old compiler | 10:41 |
| Pavlov | unfortunate ;/ | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: So if it builds in the regular scratchbox SDK, it should build on autobuilder just fine. | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: Unless you build for Fremantle ;) | 10:41 |
| Pavlov | yeah, we don't build with cs2005-whatever. it generates duplicate asm labels | 10:41 |
| Pavlov | we've been using cs2007q3 for the last year or so, since it was the most stable thing we could find | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: That is the one used for Fremantle | 10:42 |
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| X-Fade | But Fremantle targets arm7. | 10:42 |
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| Pavlov | X-Fade: what would you suggest? | 10:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | Is there any way to update browser engenee in diablo to recent gecko versions? | 10:45 |
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| X-Fade | Pavlov: We could special case this. And allow you to upload binary + source packages to a special queue. The whole idea behind the autobuilder was to ensure we always had source available and the package at least builds.. | 10:47 |
| Pavlov | ok | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: It would be nice to see if it builds for Fremanlte though ;) | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | *Fremantle | 10:48 |
| Pavlov | it does | 10:48 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: On the autobuilder ;) | 10:49 |
| Pavlov | ah, yeah, well, we don't actually have source debs ;) | 10:49 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: is it safe to dist-upgrade Mer 0.9 now? | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: How do you generate your packages? | 10:50 |
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| Pavlov | X-Fade: we have a make deb step we can run at the end, and then manual signing | 10:50 |
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| X-Fade | Pavlov: Ah, so no dpkg-buildpackage etc? | 10:51 |
| Pavlov | yeah | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | Because you don't like doing debian packaging or are there other reasons? :) | 10:51 |
| Pavlov | well, we've never built them before | 10:52 |
| X-Fade | Pavlov: But you would accept patches? | 10:52 |
| Pavlov | probably, i'm not sure where they would go exactly.. | 10:53 |
| timeless | if it doesn't make things messy | 10:53 |
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| Pavlov | but i'm sure someone else might | 10:53 |
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| * X-Fade looks at Jeremiah? | 10:53 | |
| X-Fade | Hmm not here.. | 10:53 |
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| hahlo | disabling flash really seems to help | 11:04 |
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| aquatix | aquatix.apply(coffee); | 11:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: moo | 11:23 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0903/3c/0de04ca55c6c.png | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | "A test revealed the shirt to be edible, wearable, and with a taste similar to bacon." | 11:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: ! | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Too bland, if you ask me. It does not have to resemble an LCD, you can put any icons you want there | 11:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: As not all buttons are used, you can put the product name and our names in the middle, too | 11:28 |
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| RST38h | "These creatures, although cute and endearing, were apparently to be eaten alive. The research subject refused, and Dr. Rights promptly shoved three in her mouth at once." | 11:29 |
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| nameless` | hi | 11:41 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: buh? | 11:48 |
| t3odor | is there anyone other than lardman(gone) with N810 dsp toolchains knowledge ? | 11:50 |
| florian | good morning | 11:51 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps & co: aims Mer to be a Fremantle community edition or something different/else? | 11:55 |
| qgil | I'm asking because | 11:55 |
| qgil | of http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27420 | 11:55 |
| woglinde | t3odor I read yesterday in the manual | 11:56 |
| qgil | One possibility could be to have Mer directly under OS/Platform, under the same level than e.g. Maemo 5 and OS2008, and out of the Alternatives | 11:56 |
| qgil | but having "Mer" alone listed might be surprising / confusing for many users | 11:57 |
| woglinde | t3odor maybee I can answer a little bit | 11:57 |
| qgil | so this is why I was thinking about having it listed as "Mer / Fremantle community edition" | 11:57 |
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| qgil | or be a subforum of Maemo 5... | 11:57 |
| qgil | dunno | 11:57 |
| t3odor | ok woglinde and hi lardman. we exchanged some mails about N810 dsp yesterday.. | 11:58 |
| woglinde | t3odor hm is the n810 the same as in n800? | 11:58 |
| woglinde | hm compiler is the same from what I read | 11:59 |
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| t3odor | woglinde: I'm trying to deal with with latest compiler package, which seems to cause problems | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I think "Mer / Fremantle community edition" would be a good idea. | 12:00 |
| jeremiah_ | hello! | 12:00 |
| woglinde | t3odor oh okay I didnt try the compiler yet | 12:00 |
| woglinde | hi x-fade | 12:00 |
| woglinde | hi jeremiah | 12:00 |
| jeremiah_ | hello woglinde | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | Mer is probably different enough so people won't recognize is as Fremantle. | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | And I think that Mer users will be more of the technical type than typical end-users. (For now at least) | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | hi woglinde, everything ok? | 12:02 |
| woglinde | x-fade hehe yes | 12:03 |
| woglinde | x-fade in the near future I have to ask you a favour | 12:03 |
| t3odor | woglinde: as the LinuxDSPTools 1.0 is no longer available as used by lardman when he wroted those wiki pages - it seems to take some time to get in action with currently available packages | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Sure, I'm here.. | 12:03 |
| woglinde | to solve the hen/egg problem for openjdk | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Bootstrap problem? | 12:04 |
| woglinde | x-fade you need a working javacompiler for openjdk | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Ah, so we need to get that one in extras-devel first? | 12:04 |
| woglinde | nope the way we build the stuff in oe isnt working in scratchbox | 12:05 |
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| woglinde | so the solutions mightbe install the .deb we generate with oe without sources | 12:05 |
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| woglinde | and then build the openjdk again in scratchbox with sources | 12:05 |
| qgil | X-Fade: as long as Mer keeps trying being API compatible with Maemo 5... | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I think that is the plan. ;) | 12:06 |
| nameless` | i wonder where i can find a gcc compiler for my nokia N810 ? | 12:06 |
| woglinde | nameless in maemo-sdk | 12:06 |
| woglinde | and yes there are some freaks which compile stuff native on the n810 | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Extras | 12:07 |
| RST38h | native version is in Extras I think | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Well, just adding that deb to extras-devel and then use it as a Build-depend for openjdk can work.. | 12:08 |
| woglinde | there are even some guys who wants a javac native | 12:08 |
| ElPollo | Hey all. I've compiled the manaworld for my n810 and I recompiled SDL with vorbis support. So now I have the game up and running with music, but I can't seem to get the soundeffects to erm, sound. Does anyone have any experience with this? | 12:08 |
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| jeremiah_ | woglinde: Yeah, a javac might not be such a bad idea. | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Build-depends get installed in the sdk environment before complication of your package. | 12:08 |
| woglinde | jeremiah wahahahhaa | 12:09 |
| woglinde | x-fade hm can I upload binary only deb to the repos? | 12:09 |
| jeremiah_ | having java would bring a lot of apps and devs | 12:09 |
| woglinde | jeremiah we are working on it | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: No, but I can do that for you.. | 12:09 |
| woglinde | ;) | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: We would just remove the deb again after openjdk is in.. | 12:10 |
| woglinde | jeremiah you are aware of jalimo.org? | 12:10 |
| woglinde | x-fade right | 12:10 |
| jeremiah_ | Not yet | 12:10 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 12:10 |
| jeremiah_ | w00t, jalimo looks cool | 12:12 |
| qgil | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270530&postcount=1 updated | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: well, it's not a strict fremantle backport so it comes down to if we define Fremantle as fremantle apis, and fremantle ce might imply it is fremantle with very little community sw to just get things running../ | 12:12 |
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| woglinde | jeremiah_ unfornatly swtspeed is very low | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | mer is a strange creature:) | 12:13 |
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| StsN800 | Community Hacker OS? ;) | 12:17 |
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| StsN800 | but anyway, we do plan to stay fremantle api compatible. | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | Although if lots of fremantle apps start using Clutter or OpenGL ES APIs, there'll be a problem | 12:24 |
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| StsN800 | yeah, well | 12:25 |
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| StsN800 | mesa, gl on mer devices that support it | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 12:26 |
| StsN800 | i mean, i still want mer on the planning-to-buy rx-51 | 12:27 |
| hahlobit | Is mer coming to iphone also? | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | Most definitely! | 12:28 |
| RST38h | ;) | 12:28 |
| hahlobit | Cool | 12:28 |
| StsN800 | if they get kernel, sd, touchscreen, etc.. | 12:29 |
| StsN800 | on linux | 12:29 |
| RST38h | ...and if Apple approvies Mer for their app store... | 12:29 |
| * RST38h hides now | 12:29 | |
| StsN800 | hehe | 12:30 |
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| hahlobit | Hardware ain't so bad in iphone i think | 12:32 |
| glass | RST38h: you could view pron with mer, so it's out ":D". | 12:37 |
| StsN800 | ah, thats why they don't have flash | 12:39 |
| StsN800 | the huge amount of steamy streaming sites | 12:39 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: if users can install Maemo 5 apps on top of Mer, the it looks to me as a shameless Fremantle Community Edition, yes :) | 12:58 |
| qgil | ah, you are in StsN800 | 12:59 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, I have another idea | 13:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: to make stylized button array | 13:29 |
| lcuk | wazd, hwy not give a tile of actual images, i wouldnt know my 83 from my 91 and would just click randomly. but i know damned well what my calculator looked like | 13:34 |
| lcuk | why^ | 13:34 |
| aquatix | maybe the thumbnails will be too small to distuingish easily? | 13:35 |
| StsN800 | jesus, bright sunlight, n800, screen protector , and roses in reflective material covering roses doesn't match | 13:35 |
| wazd | lcuk: even 160x160 thumbnail will be very small | 13:35 |
| lcuk | yeah, but theres gotta be a better way to show them than just using the model numbers | 13:36 |
| aquatix | StsN800: sensory overload? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | do what porn sites do :D show a zoomed in headshot thumbnail :D | 13:36 |
| aquatix | lol | 13:36 |
| lbt | qgil: StsN800 it won't be a shameless Fremantle community edition until Hildonised Qt4.5 and the like are working....... oh wait http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png | 13:36 |
| lcuk | qt ftw! | 13:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: yes? | 13:42 |
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| StsN800 | lbt: neat! | 13:42 |
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| lbt | StsN800: now - how do I get it into a cross-compiler and onto my tablet... there are bugs and I want to make sure we get any hildonisation problems sorted... | 13:43 |
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| StsN800 | rather hard to type atm. home in 30 mins | 13:45 |
| lbt | NP | 13:45 |
| StsN800 | did you manage a straight compile? | 13:46 |
| lbt | fully packaged and dpkg -i | 13:46 |
| johnx | lbt, thatś made of pure awesome | 13:47 |
| lbt | and shopper built as a dpkg-buildpackage | 13:47 |
| lbt | as a test app :) | 13:47 |
| lbt | heh - all gnuton :) | 13:47 |
| woglinde | yeah gnuton rockz | 13:47 |
| StsN800 | fully dpkg-buildpackageable? | 13:47 |
| lbt | I found some tiny bugs in ./configure and that's it | 13:48 |
| lbt | StsN800: yes | 13:48 |
| woglinde | lbt hehe then I read you email | 13:48 |
| lbt | No, I didn't install the ubuntu one by mistake | 13:48 |
| woglinde | and you can lart the qt-devs | 13:48 |
| lbt | I think so... | 13:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: maybe you can make a flag to load chosen calculator by default? | 13:49 |
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| StsN800 | lbt, lets send it through builder then. i just wonder about vfp vs no vfp | 13:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have it already | 13:54 |
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| wazd | RST38h: cool) | 13:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: The menu only pops up when FullScreen button is pressed | 13:54 |
| lbt | will that affect 770? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: need to have one icon per calc model, one icon for reset and one for exit | 13:54 |
| StsN800 | lbt, how does it detect hildon btw? | 13:56 |
| lbt | ./configure ... -hildon | 13:57 |
| StsN800 | ah | 13:57 |
| lbt | yes | 13:57 |
| lbt | wasn't someone muttering about doing it dynamically | 13:57 |
| johnx | lbt, yeah the 770 doesn't do vfp and also other potential targets for mer might not have a vfp or fpu | 13:57 |
| * RST38h has seen a good if somewhat abstract example of the icons but can no longer locate it | 13:57 | |
| RST38h | searching | 13:57 |
| StsN800 | and vfp? deb build options? | 13:58 |
| lbt | well, I just used gnuton's - and of course I'm running x86 | 13:58 |
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| StsN800 | k | 13:58 |
| lbt | summary : dpkg-buildpackage; dpk -i ../*.deb | 13:58 |
| lbt | that easy | 13:59 |
| lbt | once you patch configure, some post-inst stuff and other things I have noted down | 13:59 |
| johnx | that is quite awesome. How long did the build take? | 13:59 |
| lbt | overnight, lemme see the timestamps | 13:59 |
| johnx | ah, no worries | 14:00 |
| johnx | just curious :) | 14:00 |
| lbt | finished at 03:54 so approx 3.5 hrs | 14:00 |
| johnx | hey, not bad at all | 14:00 |
| lbt | that's inside a virtualbox VM with a file-based disk | 14:01 |
| johnx | hopefully we'll be able to build it in scratchbox for arm :) | 14:01 |
| lbt | yes - I wasn't sure where Mer's ARM build env was up to... | 14:01 |
| lbt | sbox2? | 14:01 |
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| lbt | oh - kind of thing that need fixing http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Qt45-fileDialog.png | 14:02 |
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| johnx | lbt, still on scratchbox 1. There's some nice instructions on the mer wiki or google mer sdk. I can't seem to copy and paste from Tear right now (on the n800) | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: anyhow, grab me a fairly clean dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -uc | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | preferably without any .svn or .git or .bzr or whatever :P | 14:14 |
| lbt | -I .svn ?? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, if that exists :P | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | i usually just svn export the tree | 14:15 |
| lbt | I do git archive --format=tar --prefix=shopper-$TAG/ $TAG | (cd ../tmp/ && tar xf -) | 14:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Finally found ONE icon sample: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/heights/8272/icon92.gif | 14:16 |
| lbt | svn hurts my head | 14:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: pretty abstract and simplistic, I know =( | 14:16 |
| lbt | it's a roadsign... | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, just for formalities sake while i add your repository upload, could you do the "Get Involved" part of http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People ? it's just so we can keep track of who's actually interested to help out :) | 14:18 |
| lbt | of course | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9091358794.html | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | damnit, so many nice gadgets :( | 14:30 |
| GAN800 | eink seems pointless to me as a general computing solution until they can make the redraws not suck. | 14:31 |
| GAN800 | Animated gifs, for instance, wont be much fun. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | as general computing solution, yes | 14:31 |
| Corsac | animated gifs suck anyway :) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | still, ARM-based eink with microsd.. | 14:32 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, and there aint a whole lot of point to using Linux for just ebooks. | 14:32 |
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| RST38h | GAN: You can't make that with eink | 14:34 |
| RST38h | GAN: The whole thing is essentially mechanical, it does not change fast | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: still, i wouldn't mind a small bunch of thin displays | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | with network connectivity | 14:34 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, obviously at the moment, no, but that doesn't preclude future technological improvements. | 14:35 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, sounds great for $$$$. :P | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i have a fetish for ubiquitous computing. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | you should see my plans for me and the fiancées apartment | 14:36 |
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| GAN800 | Lets just install a chip in the back of your skull and be done with it then. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'd go for that in a heartbeat. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
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| GAN800 | So far my sister has driven my mother's new Miata more than my mother. | 14:38 |
| GAN800 | Awfully convenient that her cars goes to the shop right after it was purchased. . . . | 14:38 |
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| rmt_ | GAN800, I expect that Pixel Qi's technology will put a serious dent in E-Ink's uptake for ebooks.. sunlight readable B&W, plus a normal colour mode.. and higher res than E-Ink, to boot! | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Won't be called eink most likely | 14:46 |
| RST38h | rmt: Have they released any products? | 14:46 |
| lcuk | rmt_, olpc uses similar screen does it not. eink wins over any lcd tech at present due to the fact it only consumes power when updating | 14:47 |
| lcuk | ie the battery life can be stunning | 14:47 |
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| * lardman feels happy he's finished dealing with VB for the day | 15:04 | |
| * lcuk has another 4.5 hours of it | 15:05 | |
| * lardman wonders if lcuk has made a stepper motor stage raster scan, laser pulse heat and record thermal images, today ;) | 15:05 | |
| lardman | I wouldn't blame you if you've not mind you | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | no lol - ive been documenting actually. i hope to god you mounted that weapon on a shark | 15:07 |
| lardman | :) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | i have a computer controllable usb nerfgun turret | 15:07 |
| lardman | shark with welding laser, hmm :) | 15:08 |
| lardman | yes next step would be to have the laser automatically move backwards and forwards, all under the control of MATLAB | 15:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: hm, i have a regular Maverick | 15:09 |
| lcuk | no, in the spec you give, make sure its controllable by holding up various QR code flashcards. that way you get to play all day creating the highly important control mechanism | 15:09 |
| lardman | lol, yeah | 15:09 |
| nameless` | lcuk, huhu | 15:09 |
| GAN800 | lardman, I'm (hopefully) going to have to start shunning you next week. :P | 15:10 |
| rmt_ | lcuk, Yes, and then iRex comes along, uses eInk with a power wasting CPU setup. :-P | 15:10 |
| lcuk | i want to use a barcode as an input device :$ when i was playing i kept wondering what it would be like to dismiss and adjust dialogs and ui by just waving a barcode at it (simply for orientation) | 15:10 |
| lardman | GAN800: more than already!? At least I can quite happily not write blog articles now ;) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | when is the election btw? | 15:10 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, tomorrow | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 15:11 |
| lardman | no idea, but nominations have to be in by end of today I think | 15:11 |
| lcuk | midnight | 15:11 |
| lardman | GMT | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | damnit, now i have to decide who i like as 2 3 4 etc :P | 15:11 |
| lardman | which is still midnight, me forgets what timezone he's in | 15:11 |
| rmt_ | lcuk, I get the feeling that most geeks are unimpressed by Ebook/eInk tech when they have it in their hands.. doesn't mean that consumers won't lap it up, of course.. Pixel Qi is very low power.. and, like the OLPC, the machine could all but shut down when the screen is static. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | anyone leaving their nomination to last minute isnt helping their case really | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: and could you prod me your email (i assume you're not on jaiku?) | 15:12 |
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| rmt_ | Does jaiku have invitation codes? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | rmt_: i had odd experience with not getting a code when i joined when they claimed they had | 15:13 |
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| rmt_ | I think I'd like a smart phone with a fold/roll out low power/eink type screen for reading. :-P I guess a USB device for android could also do the trick.. but not quite as portable.. | 15:16 |
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| rmt_ | Hmm.. bluetooth rendered eink display. :-P | 15:16 |
| lcuk | rmt_, ive heard a bit about rollout screens and transforming systems - can you really see people doing that on the bus? the form factor we use now works | 15:16 |
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| * lcuk sits on bus | 15:17 | |
| * lcuk rolls out 24inch display | 15:17 | |
| * lcuk goes to pron site | 15:17 | |
| rmt_ | I don't.. but I think a small paperback sized sheet would do well.. interface that with the phone in your pocket (would bt be fast enough?) for processing... | 15:18 |
| rmt_ | Android Accessories. I could imagine it in the future. :-) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | the problem is the more complex you make the tech and the more hinges and flexy bits you put in the more faults you get | 15:19 |
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| Henry_Bean | Hello, is there some doc I can read about pros and cons of upgrade my 770 to os2008he? | 15:19 |
| Myrtti | Henry_Bean: I just reflashed mine to OS2007HE2 | 15:19 |
| Henry_Bean | Myrtti: do you recommend os2007 over os2008 for the 770? | 15:20 |
| Myrtti | I had it on OS2008HE for a while, but it kept crashing so badly it made baby kittens cry | 15:20 |
| Myrtti | of course, someone might have different experiences | 15:20 |
| Myrtti | but I couldn't justify using it over 2007HE2 | 15:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 has to have swap enabled. | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: I had it enabled... | 15:22 |
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| Henry_Bean | cool... I'll try os2008 to see it crash :) | 15:23 |
| rmt_ | http://www.teleread.org/2007/10/18/vista-linked-wireless-e-ink-e-reader-due-in-november-hint-of-other-better-possibilities/ .. similar idea | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder why some people seem to have a subforum fetish. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: any way to see if something is built with thumb? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | i have a sneaking suspicion mer in many cases isn't built with thumb.. | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: use file? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | nah, /rootstraps-cvm/mer-images-v0.9/mer-770-fs-only-image/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped | 15:27 |
| lcuk | bbl | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: people may only want to monitor areas of the forum of interest, rather than filtering through /all/ new posts like what we do | 15:28 |
| * Stskeeps usually just uses 'new posts' | 15:29 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:29 |
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| Macer | lol!! | 15:29 |
| Macer | you know it has to be alabama | 15:29 |
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| Macer | where a guy goes on a 10 people murder spree at a gas station.. and the only survivor is the guy who says, "his gun jammed so it gave me a moment to run behind a gas pump." | 15:30 |
| lardman | argh, the problem with doing dev work on the n800 is I always forget to charge the n810 to use at work | 15:31 |
| lardman | Macer: dense gas? | 15:32 |
| lardman | gas pump | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Macer: they want you to say "petrol". | 15:33 |
| RST38h | Evil brits | 15:33 |
| lardman | :) | 15:33 |
| lardman | I didn't mean that actually, I was wondering why the chap didn't shoot though the pump | 15:33 |
| lardman | but yes, saying petrol is of course better ;) | 15:33 |
| RST38h | lardman: didn't see his target, maybe those alabamians only shoot at moving targets... | 15:34 |
| lardman | like dinosaurs you reckon? | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | Vision based on movement | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | snap :-) | 15:34 |
| doc|work | no point in going on a killing spree if there's no challenge to it | 15:34 |
| lardman | although that's disproved isn't it, lower life form anyway | 15:34 |
| * RST38h has now switched from DailyRotten to CSP, real crap can't compare to imaginary one | 15:34 | |
| doc|work | "stationary targe | 15:34 |
| doc|work | *target? boring!" | 15:34 |
| Pavlov | i'm surprised people there didn't have ccw's and shoot back | 15:35 |
| doc|work | stupid fingers :( | 15:35 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Pavlov: Americans do not shoot back | 15:35 |
| * Jaffa ponders getting out of bed | 15:35 | |
| lardman | doc|work: surely shooting through a petrol/gas pump, killing chap on other side, not destroying self is a reasonable challenge? | 15:35 |
| Pavlov | RST38h: that is so not true | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Pavlov: Some will try to persuade you otherwise but it doesn't happen =) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: any idea how to check if a binary has thumb instructions? :P | 15:35 |
| Macer | dense gas? :) | 15:35 |
| doc|work | lardman: I said the like a challenge, not they're suicidal :) | 15:35 |
| Macer | goddamn euros | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ELF headers, perhaps? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, but can't seem to find them | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | objdump? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, been there | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 15:36 |
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| lardman | Macer: I'm not European, I'm English! | 15:39 |
| lardman | or were you moaning about the exchange rate? In which case I'll join in :) | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Stop quarreling, just bomb something | 15:40 |
| derf | No, no, that's the US approach. | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no wonder mer runs crap on the 770 | 15:41 |
| lardman | derf: I think he was saying bomb something and hit it | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: cracked it? | 15:42 |
| lardman | anyway, enough cross-Atlantic banter | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: readelf -a | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: no thumb in our usual builds | 15:42 |
| lardman | I have to concentrate on not spilling tomato soup on my nice white shirt | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | it takes up too much memory | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | or not.. wtf | 15:44 |
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| Macer | lardman: England isn't in europe? :) | 15:44 |
| Macer | it's ok. we call ourselves "Americans" when there are tons of countries in north and south america | 15:45 |
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| lardman | Macer: definitely no | 15:45 |
| lardman | ;) | 15:45 |
| ElPollo | o_O | 15:45 |
| Macer | i guess united statesians would be too much to say | 15:46 |
| RST38h | European separatists alert! | 15:46 |
| lardman | The UK has a thing against joining Europe, and for at least some good reasons | 15:46 |
| Macer | nice to see that the IRA is still killing people | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Macer: Just use the word "masters", it is shorter and more flattering | 15:46 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 15:46 |
| doc|work | Macer: different IRA, two in fact | 15:46 |
| lardman | Macer: yeah, nice that the US has stopped funding them at last though ;) | 15:47 |
| RST38h | doc: Like Web 2.0? | 15:47 |
| Macer | i know right. from now on RST38h when people ask where i'm from i'm goign to say "I'm a Master." | 15:47 |
| Macer | lardman: no we didn't. we just said we did | 15:47 |
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| Juhaz | lardman, best reason would be to save the rest of the europe from the crazy shit UK is constantly pressing through. | 15:47 |
| doc|work | Macer: the continuity IRA and the Real IRA, two splinter groups, separate from the initial Provisional IRA who agreed to a ceasefire and disarmament | 15:47 |
| Macer | they are still well funded by us :) we like keeping rebellion going in countries that don't concern us | 15:47 |
| lardman | Juhaz: yeah well Brown is a lost cause | 15:47 |
| doc|work | RST38h: like Web 2.0, only this AJAX will keeeeelll yooouu! | 15:48 |
| Macer | helps us make up for that whole revolution thing | 15:48 |
| lardman | Macer: if only that didn't ring so true! :p | 15:48 |
| Macer | lol | 15:48 |
| Macer | we really are a rotten country :) | 15:48 |
| RST38h | but so much fun! | 15:49 |
| Macer | just because we seem nice doesn't mean we aren't worse than hitler run Germany | 15:49 |
| lardman | better without Bush though, at least to everyone else in the world | 15:49 |
| doc|work | lardman: what has changed since Obama came into office? | 15:49 |
| Macer | doc|work: no more gitmo! | 15:49 |
| doc|work | Macer: it's still there | 15:49 |
| Macer | yeah but now we can pretend like bad things don't happen there a little better | 15:50 |
| doc|work | Macer: and there are still thousands of others held in secret prisons elsewhere in the world | 15:50 |
| doc|work | heh | 15:50 |
| Macer | doc|work: i know.. gitmo was like the area 51 of military prisons :) | 15:50 |
| lardman | doc|work: no more Bush | 15:50 |
| Macer | everyone can see that one so they don't complain about the other ones | 15:50 |
| doc|work | Macer: hah | 15:50 |
| doc|work | lardman: meh, different puppet, same puppet masters | 15:50 |
| doc|work | same end result | 15:50 |
| lardman | doc|work: Scientists can be listened to, FSM may not have to be introduced to Biology classes, etc | 15:51 |
| Macer | hey... obama is opening up stem cell research | 15:51 |
| Macer | have to give him that much at least | 15:51 |
| doc|work | lardman: unless those scientists are people who have any clue about economics? | 15:51 |
| andre__ | lardman, is bug 3418 "testable" in Fremantle alpha? (might have asked this before, if so sorry) | 15:51 |
| wiza | and IIRC obama is also closing secret prisons | 15:51 |
| lardman | hang on let me have a look see | 15:51 |
| wiza | which we of course cannot verify since those are secret in the first place... | 15:52 |
| lardman | andre__: get me a device and I'll let you know... ;) | 15:52 |
| andre__ | heh. damn, ok :) | 15:52 |
| lardman | and no, different communications between ARM and DSP | 15:52 |
| Macer | americans honestly could care less about torture of non-americans | 15:52 |
| doc|work | wiza: I wouldn't be holding my breath given he said he was going to end the war in Iraq, which apparently means leaving 50,000 troops in iraq by the end of his first term, while moving some of the rest to afghanistan. It's Silly. | 15:52 |
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| doc|work | hmmm | 15:53 |
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| RST38h | doc: It is not possible to withdraw them all at once | 15:53 |
| RST38h | So, give him at least a year or so. | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Then judge. | 15:53 |
| doc|home | RST38h: it takes months at the most | 15:53 |
| Macer | RST38h: sure it is.. see how well that worked in vietnam? | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Macer: Vietnamese HELPED that time =) | 15:53 |
| wiza | yeah, well, if I did my work like USA handled war in afghanistan, clients would be pissed... | 15:53 |
| Macer | haha | 15:53 |
| doc|home | kicking someone in the ass as they leave generally does :) | 15:53 |
| RST38h | wiza: Would they be alive to be pissed though? | 15:54 |
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| doc|home | wiza: my clients wouldn't have given me money to go into afghanistan or iraq in the first place. It's the beauty of taxation. You spend it how you like and demand more when you want it :) | 15:54 |
| andre__ | lardman, then it's probably WONTFIX for diablo, to be honest. very low priority for Nokia :-/ | 15:54 |
| wiza | RST38h: problem is that USA didn't finish the fight | 15:54 |
| Macer | i think one of hte best vietnam movies ever made was we were soldiers because it showed the other side | 15:54 |
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| wiza | that war was justified, Iraq, not so much | 15:54 |
| Macer | the communists weren't "bad" or "evil" | 15:54 |
| Macer | wiza: doesn't matter.. people forget it was a legal war | 15:55 |
| RST38h | wiza: there is no way to "finish" this fight, neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan | 15:55 |
| Macer | congress voted on it :) | 15:55 |
| doc|home | wiza: it can't be won. No foreign army has ever held afghanistan. The russians couldn't do it with 640,000 troops. The rest of us won't with less than 100,000 | 15:55 |
| RST38h | wiza: to avoid grossly offtopic discussion I would prefer not to elaborate | 15:55 |
| Macer | where did all the flags go? after 9/11 and the iraqi invasion you couldn't buy a US flag here | 15:55 |
| doc|home | anyway | 15:55 |
| * doc|home goes to work | 15:55 | |
| RST38h | wiza: let us just say that thesre is no end-game situation in these wars | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Macer: Obama bought them all and uses them for the toilet paper | 15:56 |
| wiza | RST38h: yeah, but ousting taleban could've been done better | 15:56 |
| lardman | andre__: I've added a comment to the effect that that patch has nothing to do with it | 15:56 |
| Macer | RST38h: i think it's great that he is always going to events dressed in $10,000 suits while his wife is dressed in a $15,000 dress wearing $30,000 worth of jewels | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Macer: He even had to give up the bidet which is a traditional Muslim way to wipe | 15:56 |
| Macer | then talking about how he is going ot help the average american :) | 15:56 |
| Macer | how about start by selling some of your wife's diamonds | 15:56 |
| andre__ | thanks | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Macer: Ah sorry, s/Obama/Osama | 15:57 |
| RST38h | see what one little typo does? | 15:57 |
| wiza | Macer: and you split that 30000 for 300 million americans... | 15:57 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 15:57 |
| benson | RST38h: No way! *Everything* could be ended nicely. | 15:57 |
| benson | We have the nukes -- all we lack is the willpower. | 15:57 |
| benson | :P | 15:57 |
| Macer | benson: but then all the other countries get all pissy | 15:58 |
| * benson pokes the hornet's nest and runs. | 15:58 | |
| wiza | war by definition is not "nice" | 15:58 |
| Macer | i bet they would all just condemn it for a week or so then not care | 15:58 |
| RST38h | benson: Yes, but nukes were not an acceptable move politically | 15:58 |
| benson | Macer: we have nukes for them, too! | 15:58 |
| Macer | benson: can't nuke everybody | 15:58 |
| RST38h | benson: Besides, there are certain doubts about nukes being effective in a place like .AF | 15:58 |
| Macer | who is going ot make our cheap asian goods when china gets pissed? | 15:58 |
| wiza | it however can most of the time achieve the objective | 15:58 |
| derf | Macer: We've spent a few billion building him a new helicopter to fly around in, and it doesn't even work yet. | 15:58 |
| * benson wonders what all this had to do wih Maemo, anyway. | 15:58 | |
| derf | $30,00 on jewels is small potatos. | 15:58 |
| benson | Macer: We can build machines to do that, and give them a networked AI! | 15:59 |
| RST38h | wiza: Nukes were only used twice, in a very special situation, and there are still arguments whether using them helped | 15:59 |
| benson | So they can finish the nuking for/on us! | 15:59 |
| Macer | derf: yes but you have to admit. when the entire nation is struggling you don't want to see a person advocating making things better strolling out looking like there is no end in sight to the amount of money he can spend on himself | 15:59 |
| wiza | benson: since it would be stupid to create #people-on-maemo-speaking-other-stuff | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | so, have you people had your daily bacon? | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:59 |
| Macer | seems hypocritical | 15:59 |
| benson | :( No. | 16:00 |
| wiza | RST38h: maybe because collateral damage was too great? | 16:00 |
| * benson fires up the nuke-skillet for some glowy-bacon! | 16:00 | |
| RST38h | wiza: Note that I am not against turning middle east into a huge glass bowl, but I doubt all the hype | 16:00 |
| Macer | anyways!.. how is Mer going? :) | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | forward | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | wiza: Screw the collateral damage, consider how many towelheads you are going to miss and how quickly they breed | 16:01 |
| Macer | made an icon for the menu i see | 16:01 |
| Macer | what's with the top menu thing you have going on? | 16:01 |
| Macer | moving it away from the side or something? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | wiza: Add to that the large masses of irradiated sand | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:01 |
| wiza | RST38h: there are assholes in all races :D | 16:01 |
| Macer | hm. you're going to lose a little space moving that to the top aren't you? | 16:02 |
| wiza | RST38h: but, if you shoot their father, those kids are coming after you(somewhat justified too...) | 16:02 |
| Macer | might need to make it a little thinner don't you think? :) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | wiza: That is why any sane occupying force will strive to kill all the males | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it's 52 pixels | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's better than a fat bar on the size | 16:03 |
| RST38h | wiza: That is what brits did, and russians too | 16:03 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: ah ... i see.. just figured it was more important to have vertical space than horizontal | 16:03 |
| Macer | then again. i may be wrong on that | 16:03 |
| Macer | did you solve the case of the double menus? :) | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | but we'll see | 16:03 |
| Macer | wow really? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, different type of panel :P | 16:04 |
| Macer | haha | 16:04 |
| Macer | you started from scratch? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | imported UM patches | 16:04 |
| Macer | well.. let me bust out the n800 from the closet and install new and improved mer! :) | 16:04 |
| wiza | RST38h: yes, then those hippies went and included moral to operations | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: wait for 0.10, we're not done yet | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
| Macer | oh | 16:06 |
| Macer | when is it due out? :) | 16:06 |
| Macer | you guys working on live updating at all? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | sunday, hopefully | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | what do you mean? | 16:06 |
| Macer | well.. i mean you release new versions quite a bit | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | we snapshot release every 14th day intentionally :P | 16:07 |
| Macer | figured you might want to work on something that lets you update to a newer version without having to re-install | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you can, but some things are not in place | 16:07 |
| Macer | i see... | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get dist-upgrade will get you latest code, but you will have to rm -rf .osso/hildon-deskto | 16:07 |
| Macer | i figured just something similar to android where you just use an update.zip on the sd | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | p | 16:07 |
| Macer | i see | 16:07 |
| Macer | well.. workin progress ... i will wait for the next ver | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | k, thumb isn't why it runs bad on 770 :P | 16:09 |
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| * lardman sees the topic has turned slightly non-PC in his absence | 16:13 | |
| lardman | any GStreamer gurus about? | 16:13 |
| lardman | any GTK+ TreeView gurus about? | 16:13 |
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| lardman | :) | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: vfp, perhaps? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: vfp isn't enabled, and vfp isn't 770-friendly is it? | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. Or is the 770 performance worse than Maemo? | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | well maemo is practically flying compared to mer :> | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | Oh | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | (on 770) | 16:21 |
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| zeptar | good morning | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 16:21 |
| zeptar | my nokia n810 stopped letting me use password to login via ssh, anyone else have this problem? | 16:21 |
| zeptar | it just wont take the password. i've reset the password a million times and even made it 'aaaaa' | 16:22 |
| zeptar | both root and user it just keeps reprompting for password | 16:22 |
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| ElPollo | zeptar: perhaps you need to recreate your ssl keys. Debian based linuxes have been prone to SSL key vulnerabilities and a lot of keys have been blacklisted. | 16:25 |
| zeptar | thanks elpollo i'll look into that | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie | Very quick question | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | I've been asked by my company if I wanted to go to Lebanon | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | (just to train one of our customers) | 16:48 |
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| crashanddie | now, the british foreign office is recommending against sending people there, due to the hezbollah and rockets and shit | 16:48 |
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| crashanddie | question: should I go? | 16:49 |
| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 16:49 |
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| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1021 | 16:51 |
| RST38h | crash: Depends on what you will be training them in | 16:51 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I'd say no, not as if you're going to enjoy the Med Riviera with all that going on | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: API training on one of our products | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | ok, one vote against it | 16:52 |
| lardman | I wonder if flak jackets can be claimed on company travel expenses? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | crash: Seriously, I would say you are not going to come to any harm | 16:53 |
| RST38h | crash: So, if it is for a few days only, by all means go and consider the trip educational | 16:53 |
| lardman | I suppose it depends if it's expected of you, or just an opportunity | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | well, I am a PS consultant so yeah, it's my job to go train people | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | can be anywhere around the world where we have business | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | but basically, I'm supposed to work in Northern Europe | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: just make sure travel insurances and such are in order | 16:54 |
| lardman | and flak jacket ;) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: your doubt doesn't reflect your nickname, btw :P | 16:56 |
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| torkiano | hello all, i've installed maemo sdk+ following http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html | 16:59 |
| torkiano | i select fremantle as default target | 16:59 |
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| torkiano | but when i start the emulator with maemo-sdk start gui | 16:59 |
| torkiano | none appears | 17:00 |
| torkiano | It works great with diablo | 17:00 |
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| torkiano | Anyone with this problem? | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, as long as they offer you a package which you comfortable risking your life for (insurance is bullshit, you might be dead and it wont help) then gfi | 17:03 |
| * lcuk wouldnt go for any money | 17:04 | |
| RST38h | You are all overblowing the risk | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Just because the place gets regularly bombed by Israel does not mean that his visit will 1) coincide with the bombing in time and 2) coincide with the bombing in space) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | would you go to do some training there? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | I would | 17:05 |
| RST38h | When paid of course. | 17:05 |
| lcuk | whats your price? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Are you making an offer or just fooling around? =) | 17:05 |
| lardman | RST38h: but the risk of either happening is higher than say on a trip to Berlin? | 17:06 |
| lardman | of course ;) | 17:06 |
| lcuk | im trying to see whether you are playing devils advocate or being serious. personally i wont risk my life for anything like that | 17:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: Yes, it is obviously higher but it is the threshold that matters | 17:06 |
| lardman | agreed | 17:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Lebanon is well below unacceptable risk threshold | 17:06 |
| lcuk | :) people have different levels of risk | 17:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Places that are above the threshold include pretty much everything in Africa, heavily islamic countries like Iran, general shitholes like Afhanistan | 17:07 |
| lcuk | or threshholds | 17:07 |
| lardman | South Africa? | 17:08 |
| * RST38h is inclined to include Germany on this list =) | 17:08 | |
| RST38h | lardman: no go | 17:08 |
| lardman | why not, I'd prefer that to the Lebanon | 17:08 |
| * lcuk 's boss is from SA :) | 17:08 | |
| RST38h | lardman: it is different now, google for some recent photos and reports | 17:08 |
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| lardman | Manchester is off my list ;) | 17:10 |
| lardman | mainly because of lcuk, not Moss Side or anything | 17:10 |
| lcuk | haha | 17:10 |
| lardman | where's qwerty when you want to be rude about London hey? | 17:11 |
| lardman | bbl | 17:11 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk & RST38h: no issurance, I asked my boss if I could expense a bulletproof vest and a bodyguard | 17:15 |
| timsamoff | Mornin'. Can anyone help me debug some Mac flasher stuff? I've never flashed from my Mac before and I'd like to try. | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, Safari likes to eat the binaries | 17:16 |
| RST38h | crash: Unless you intend to visit countryside, I doubt these will be needed :) | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's about the only thing that goes wrong. | 17:16 |
| RST38h | crash: Do ask for more pay though, more pay always helps morale :) | 17:16 |
| timsamoff | GeneralAntilles: Not a problem with the bin (besides, I never use Safari). When I open the flasher, I get: 2009-03-11 10:13:07.239 CocoaDialog[5075:717] Can't open input server /Library/InputManagers/MultiClutchInputManager.bundle | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 | 17:21 |
| qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, "open" the flasher? | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: earlier: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, you're running it from the console, right? | 17:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nice! | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 17:22 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: (by lbt) | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | Should I be doing it via Terminal? I was using the UI version (aflegg's). | 17:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what the flurry of /msgs is about. | 17:22 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, oh, 770Flasher is something different from the Nokia flasher. ;) | 17:22 |
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| AndrewFBlack | read mine and find out | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | Ah, ok. I'll download the Nokia flasher and try that way, then. | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | Thanks. ;) | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | is it just me or is frank.wagner restarting the hibernation thread? | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damnit, Tim. . . | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ping? | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong | 17:25 |
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| roope | the thread loops. | 17:30 |
| roope | the same argument over again. | 17:30 |
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| thopiekar | could someone please check whether it's possible to install streamripper? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | and that proves the rumour mill of iTT is turing complete.. | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | we could use the thread to solve the worlds energy crisis! | 17:31 |
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| benson | It generates its own infinite tape! | 17:31 |
| lcuk | its beyond a thread and made its own clothing line | 17:32 |
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| * Jaffa should really have a play with a new version of the GUI | 17:34 | |
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| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast/2009-03-10/ | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: sure, I won't mind going if I get a 50% salary increase :) | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, permanent | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: obviously | 17:38 |
| lcuk | but then you will become the fallguy | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps, lcuk: have you noticed @constantine's questionnaire in Jaiku | 17:39 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: well, obviously, I won't mind becoming the fall guy if I get a 50% raise everytime I have to go :D | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i dont jaiku in the daytime, i cant see webpages from home very well | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'll prod you later then | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: url? | 17:41 |
| lcuk | i dont tihnk ive got constantine anyway lol just giz a link | 17:41 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: http://constantine.jaiku.com/presence/55492676 | 17:41 |
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| timsamoff | More Mac flasher Q's... Anyone have a minute? | 17:51 |
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| Jaffa | timsamoff: Intel or PPC Mac? | 17:52 |
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| timsamoff | Intel | 17:53 |
| timsamoff | I'm trying to flash 43-7 and I'm getting this: | 17:54 |
| timsamoff | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | USB device found found at bus 004, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 | Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 | NOLO version 1.1.7 | Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 | To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | What's the command you're using? | 17:54 |
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| timsamoff | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F <FIASCO image> -f -R (from the wiki) | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | I can't remember - is there a flasher-3.0 for osx? | 17:56 |
| pyhimys | timsamoff: replace "<FIASCO image>" with the actual location of the image-file :) | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, nope. | 17:56 |
| timsamoff | Um, yeah... I know. | 17:56 |
| z4chh | hi Jaffa | 17:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey can I have Bluetooth Connection to internet and Adhoc Connection going at same time on n810? | 17:57 |
| z4chh | kree. | 17:57 |
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| timsamoff | qwerty12 & Jaffa: The image is being read (and parsed?) correctly, it seems, but then it ends with the info I pasted above. | 18:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | does maemo.org profile update anyone elese garage groups? | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | timsamoff, Under the line "Image 'xloader', size 9088 bytes", what hardware revision does it say the xloader is valid for? | 18:02 |
| timsamoff | qwerty12: Valid for RX-44: 0801, 0802, 0803, 0804, 0805, 0806, 0901, 0902 | Version 1.1.16-200844maemo2 | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | You're trying to flash an N810 image onto an N800. | 18:03 |
| timsamoff | Well, duh, that could be a problem, eh? | 18:04 |
| timsamoff | Sheesh. | 18:04 |
| timsamoff | Let me try this again. | 18:04 |
| * timsamoff should be shot, eh? | 18:04 | |
| * timsamoff is going to try again. | 18:05 | |
| qwerty12 | You should. For making me lose the thing I needed to copy into the text editor. :P | 18:05 |
| timsamoff | Arg. Sorry, qwerty12. :-/ | 18:07 |
| * timsamoff was actually going to flash the N810, but... Got sidetracked, and... | 18:07 | |
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| zeptar | i watched porn on my nokia it was so awesome | 18:15 |
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| * timsamoff thanks qwerty12 -- it worked. Really? Ummm... | 18:16 | |
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| zeptar | much better than the itouch | 18:19 |
| rmt_ | zeptar, In church? | 18:19 |
| zeptar | yes i was in the back row by the holy water | 18:19 |
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| zeptar | even though you'd think a product named itouch would be better for porn | 18:19 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, see Tim's error with 770Flasher? | 18:21 |
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| jeremiah_ | weee - just apt-get dist-upgraded my new N810, worked like a charm | 18:43 |
| jeremiah_ | Though the network daemon shut down and did not get back up for some reason. | 18:43 |
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| jeremiah_ | icd2 - which I guess stands for internet connect daemon 2 | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | s/connect/connectivity/ (the pedantic side of me points out :)) | 18:44 |
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| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Ooooh nice. I didn't know you were a pedant. :) | 18:45 |
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| qwerty12 | <- points to his badge: "Pedant and proud!" :P | 18:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh | 18:45 |
| jeremiah_ | (qwerty12)++ | 18:46 |
| jeremiah_ | arg! my internet connection keeps dropping | 18:46 |
| jeremiah_ | okay, I have a mount point called /dev/mmc* and it has 2 gigs on it. | 18:48 |
| jeremiah_ | That looks like a memorycard | 18:48 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, yeah it is, but check its formatted correctly, not sure about new models, but there was an issue where if you filled the card it became corrupt :O | 18:49 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: Okay | 18:49 |
| jeremiah_ | should I fsck it? | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: could you please check my streamripper package? someone of the ITT forum said that it isn't working... If i'm lucky I will get my device in this week back... | 18:50 |
| nameless` | how many times a n810 battery is supposed to live with wifi and online stream radio turn on ? | 18:50 |
| nameless` | because mine was empty after about 5h | 18:50 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Sure | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | thanks.. | 18:51 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: E: Couldn't find package streamripper | 18:51 |
| jeremiah_ | That might just be my setup though, let me dig in my sources.list file | 18:52 |
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| thresh | hey. anyone know when pidgin 2.5.5 will bbe available forn diablo? | 18:55 |
| thresh | sorry for typos, blooddy gprs | 18:55 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, do not believe anything anyone says online and certainly dont ever just randomly run commands on your filesystem at the word of someone in the forum, qwerty12 might be able to verify and a google search might find out why and how to fix it :P | 18:56 |
| lcuk | im not lying though, im just not sure about how to cure it | 18:56 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 | 18:56 |
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| timelE61i | aNyone in helsinki planning to get dinner nowish? | 18:58 |
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| jeremiah_ | timelE61i: I am sure someone in Helsinki wants to eat dinner. | 19:00 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah_: :| I asked you lastly why it isn't available on the promoter site.. and you told me that streamripper is in the repos... | 19:01 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Eh? | 19:03 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: I don't think I said that. | 19:04 |
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| thopiekar | :P k | 19:04 |
| jeremiah_ | I am logged into garage right now and I will check if it is in the repos. | 19:04 |
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| jeremiah_ | Yes - streamripper 1.63.5 is in extras for diablo | 19:05 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Now I will see if I can install it on my N810 | 19:05 |
| thopiekar | nice.. | 19:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, don't dist-upgrade. | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, with the wrong combination of repositories you'll end up with a brick. :) | 19:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also, 'grats on the new tablet. | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/brick/reboot loop/ | 19:07 |
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| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Really? Well, I was lucky this time I guess. :) | 19:08 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: But there were some issues. | 19:08 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: So I'll avoid it in the future. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, yes, if you have the SDK repository on the device, it'll install gnutils. | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means the boot scripts will fail when they expect busybox behaviors. | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, upgrading through the Application Manager is the only supported and recommended method. | 19:09 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: That is what I will stick to - though sometimes the temptation is strong . . . | 19:10 |
| jeremiah_ | to just do it the debian way. :) | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's a good way to find bugs. | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But just be warned that if you plan on relying heavily on your tablet you could run into trouble. ;) | 19:10 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: I have tons of bricked hardware hanging around, one more small piece should not piss off my wife too much | 19:12 |
| timelE61i | and it's unsupported - break at your own risk | 19:12 |
| lcuk | isnt that part of the maemo.org contract "all people working on maemo should exclusively run all computer systems using maemo hardware" | 19:12 |
| timelE61i | Maemo hardware? | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | hardware which runs a maemo os | 19:13 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 19:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Maemo SW hardware? :p | 19:13 |
| timelE61i | Vmware? | 19:13 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: does it work? | 19:14 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: I don't see it showing up on my tablet yet. Not sure why. | 19:14 |
| thopiekar | it is just a command.. try streamripper on xterm | 19:15 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: streamripper first has to be installed. | 19:16 |
| jeremiah_ | And I am not seeing it in the application manager. | 19:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Makes me suspect that it did not get built by the autobuilder | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | I uploaded it withe MEA... | 19:17 |
| thopiekar | MaemoExtrasAssistant | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, if the section isn't user/*, it wont show in the Application Manager. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally, anything that isn't user-relevant (which includes most commandline tools) isn't put in user/*. | 19:18 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: I am looking at "All" packages in AM | 19:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, All == user/* | 19:19 |
| yerga | and streamripper isn't in user/* ;) | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | libraries and shouldn't be visible to the user. | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/and/and such/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: libraries and such shouldn't be visible to the user. | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garage is slooow again. | 19:21 |
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| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: what is actually "slooow"? | 19:22 |
| jeremiah_ | garage has a load average of 5 something right now | 19:22 |
| jeremiah_ | But the other day it had a load average of 86! | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trying to load http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ to get the relevant info on section and h-a-m | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the bit about sections. | 19:24 |
| * thopiekar is thinking about putting it into user/* | 19:24 | |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 19:25 | |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: -> #mer | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:26 |
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| jeremiah_ | So what is the deal? Certain packages from maemo.org can be seen by application manager and certain packages can't? | 19:29 |
| * thopiekar really would like to work one of the GSoC suggested projects.. but he is too young for GSoC :| | 19:29 | |
| thopiekar | s/one/on one/ | 19:29 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Well have fun outdoors this summer then. :) | 19:29 |
| thopiekar | hehe | 19:29 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: streamripper installed anyway | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yeah, section user/ can be seen | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: without problems? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, libavcodec is boring to see in a AM :P | 19:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, so why isn't streamripper in section user? | 19:30 |
| samira | hi | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: my fault.. | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:30 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Yeah, I had no problems installing streamripper with apt-get | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | k | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | thanks.. | 19:31 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: You may want to add it to section user/ so that people can find it! :P | 19:31 |
| thopiekar | into which section should I put it in? | 19:31 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: How about "multimedia"? | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | user/multimedia? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a list of categories now or how was it? | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | yes | 19:32 |
| mib_946048 | Guten Tag ! | 19:32 |
| thopiekar | i thought that there was a link on the wiki page.. | 19:33 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo khertan | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | hallo Khertan :) | 19:33 |
| Khertan | 'lo Stskeeps | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | Khertan: wie gehts? | 19:33 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:33 |
| Khertan | 'lo thopiekar | 19:33 |
| * Khertan should really setup his vpn using mibbit on a nit is a real pain | 19:34 | |
| Khertan | alles is gut :) | 19:34 |
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| thopiekar | Khertan: bei mir auch :) | 19:34 |
| Khertan | 'just waiting the autobuilder :) | 19:34 |
| Khertan | héhé | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | :) | 19:35 |
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| Khertan | hoho a new email | 19:35 |
| Khertan | mibbit + gmail really slow down my nit | 19:35 |
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| Khertan | about that ... does someone know how to force modest to not stay on asmatic mode ? | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | how is mud working? aren't there packages for x86 and x64? | 19:37 |
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| samira | any one here is iranian? | 19:38 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Ping? | 19:38 |
| dneary | samira: Why? | 19:38 |
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| dneary | samira: I am not Iranian, but I know some people who are | 19:39 |
| samira | because im iranian | 19:39 |
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| jeremiah_ | So the N810 has a built-in memory card? | 19:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Cool | 19:41 |
| Khertan | yep | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | you finally got a tablet? | 19:41 |
| thopiekar | Khertan: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ #docmentation.. | 19:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I do, I have been playing with it a lot. | 19:41 |
| Khertan | and this one works under 20C | 19:41 |
| thopiekar | Khertan: there is a reference on svn... | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: of course you have. it's as addictive as heroin. | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:41 |
| jeremiah_ | I blogged about it but my blogs are not showing up on planet.m.o | 19:41 |
| Khertan | i mean -20C | 19:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: It is addictive! | 19:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Electronic crack | 19:42 |
| Khertan | thopiekar ? | 19:42 |
| thopiekar | I just searched for your question.. (about that ... does someone know how to force modest to not stay on asmatic mode ?).. | 19:42 |
| thopiekar | :) | 19:42 |
| Khertan | ah ? ok | 19:43 |
| Khertan | thx | 19:43 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. mer article up on lwn.net | 19:43 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Have you looked at the "aggregate your blog" link on pmo? | 19:43 |
| Khertan | i think you have just see the chaos on my mcalendar svn | 19:44 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ooh | 19:44 |
| woglinde | sts gratz!!!!!! | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | some of it is not correct, but yeah | 19:44 |
| * thopiekar is searching for it on lwn.. | 19:44 | |
| thopiekar | got it :) | 19:44 |
| Khertan | and you suggest me to read the svn documentation | 19:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Pussy mans want me to subscribe >.< | 19:44 |
| thopiekar | hehe a screen of the vmdk.. | 19:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:44 |
| thopiekar | omg its required to login for the "full story" | 19:45 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: I am stream ripping right now. | 19:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Everything seems to be working fine | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | thopiekar: It's a subscriber article | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | A subscriber can get a link to share | 19:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Yeah, it was being aggregated but stopped for some reason | 19:46 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah_: poke X-Fade ;-) | 19:46 |
| thopiekar | nice.. I will write the person now back who said that it isn't possible to use it.. | 19:46 |
| thopiekar | -> jeremiah_ | 19:46 |
| thopiekar | thanks again | 19:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Jaffa: Yeah, he seems to have a lot to do, but I will poke him later. :) | 19:46 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Sure thing, and nice job! | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | From bugmenot: user:ummmwhat and password: ummmwhat | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | *hellooo | 19:47 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah_: mine? rebuilding streamripper? | 19:47 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: You did a good job packaging it, it works! | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: not entirely correct article, but hey, publicity.. | 19:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Although I am not sure why one would want to do this on a tablet. :) It takes up so much space. | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | :) big thanks actually to ubuntu's packages which are making these source packages... | 19:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do you have a URL or is it on the front page? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: front page, but subscriber only until next week | 19:49 |
| thopiekar | just reediting [debain] | 19:49 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:49 |
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| * Jaffa will post a subscriber link to maemo-developers | 19:49 | |
| qwerty12 | user:ummmwhat & password: hellooo works | 19:50 |
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| * Khertan doesn t understand what all of you are talking about ... | 19:50 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: I'd rather not encourage people to fleece LWN | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | the user who i was talking about is spaming ITT full of threads.. | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4476727 | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, I didn't say to post *that* | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | so ITT mod's it would be nice cleaning up them.. | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/322693/386fdf3634a8457f/ | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | there are even no replies on them | 19:51 |
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| jeremiah_ | Thanks Jaffa! | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: there's one thing that i regret the guy didn't get along in article, which was in the answers from Quim when interviewed.. "Mer is also a proof point of the openness of the Nokia devices designed | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | for Maemo. For me one of the beauties of Maemo is that you can get rid | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | of it. It is not imposed." | 19:53 |
| Khertan | thx for the link | 19:53 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: let's go commentastic | 19:54 |
| * Jaffa is going to have to turn off his computer. Not making me feel better. Back to tablet I go | 19:54 | |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, I use synergy a lot, I might have to package that for maemo. | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: HIM is practically synergy :P | 19:55 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Aha, maybe I should just use that instead. | 19:56 |
| * jeremiah_ takes a look | 19:56 | |
| Stskeeps | there's a mode for "show all packages" too | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | err.. HAM, i mean | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | (yay, i can show my fiancée something tangible :P) | 19:57 |
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| Khertan | oh ! i m not the only one to use mibbit on a nit :) ... héhé | 19:58 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: is that category called? user/multimedia and if you want to use streamripper with a gui.. try my howto on ITT.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270824 .. | 19:59 |
| Khertan | someone know a tool that share the mouse and keyboard by network with a keyboard connected on linux ? | 20:00 |
| thopiekar | ? remote? | 20:00 |
| jeremiah_ | Khertan: Well, I was just talking about synergy, which does that. | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, as mentioned earlier, Synergy? :) | 20:00 |
| jeremiah_ | But Stskeeps says look at HIM which I guess does that on the NIT | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. synergy | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | not synaptic | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 20:01 |
| thopiekar | wasn't it available on maemo in the past? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: my bad, ignore me :) | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | HIM = Hildon Input Method which doesn't do that, it's the on screen keyboard and stuff | 20:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Cool, google wasn't helping me there with HIM | 20:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Cool, then I will try to package synergy since it is the bomb! | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: be aware it might be a bit lame without a cursor | 20:02 |
| Khertan | ahaha ... i read synaptic too | 20:02 |
| Khertan | great thx | 20:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I didn't even think of that. | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | A quick script could probably be made that toggles the cursor | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | (I could probably do it even) | 20:03 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Where does the cursor live? And would you write that script? | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, as root, edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme and comment the "Inherits=xcursor-transparent" line and reboot | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, sure | 20:04 |
| jeremiah_ | very cool | 20:04 |
| jeremiah_ | thanks qwerty12 | 20:04 |
| jeremiah_ | I have to leave for a bit to pull up my debian dev environment here, my old dev environment died :( | 20:05 |
| jeremiah_ | But I will be back, hopefully with news about synergy | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Also, if you get synergy into extras, I'll hildonize quicksynergy :) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | (Useful for noobs like me who can't be bothered to figure out the semantics of the synergy config file) | 20:05 |
| Khertan | can someone could compile a upload for me python-gtksourceview binding ? | 20:06 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: is it difficult to hildinize apps? | 20:06 |
| Khertan | is/a/and | 20:06 |
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| thopiekar | Khertan: you need python-gtksourceview on extras right? | 20:06 |
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| thopiekar | or just a deb? | 20:07 |
| thopiekar | -.-' | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, depends, I'm certainly not brilliant at it but I've gotten better (*points to maemo5 version of transmission*) | 20:07 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 20:07 |
| thopiekar | I don't know when you started hildonizing apps but I would be interesting in it, too.. whats about the source? is it usually C++ or python? | 20:08 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: why are you interested in hildonizing apps for maemo5? it wouldn't be available for n8x0's.. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: cos maemo4.1 is going to be left in the dust and fremantle APIs will be in Mer too, so | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, oh, lol the version of transmission happens to be maemo5. But I've got my eye on the next tablet anyway ;) | 20:10 |
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| thopiekar | :P | 20:10 |
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| * thopiekar is only interested in its price... if he will earn some money on gSoC next year he will buy one and sell his n800.. | 20:12 | |
| * thopiekar is atm looking for someone, who would like to buy his N800 and then buying a N810 of that money... :P | 20:13 | |
| thopiekar | but that isn't really possible.. | 20:13 |
| joyrider___ | hey how can i mount my (external) memcard it shows up if i connect it to my pc. but i want to mount it manually now using a command i tried mount /media/mmc2 but that didn't work probably cause (i think) it needs an entry in /etc/fstab | 20:14 |
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| thopiekar | joyrider___: is it really working on your pc and are you using a SD/MMC-card? | 20:15 |
| joyrider___ | well it showed up as a 8 (well 7.9 gig) card when i connected it to the pc so i thought it worked. i used a micro sd to sdmini convertor for my 8 gig micro sd card | 20:16 |
| joyrider___ | you see | 20:16 |
| joyrider___ | i had to unmount it first | 20:16 |
| joyrider___ | so i could rmmod g_file_storage and enable usbnet | 20:17 |
| thresh | half-russia for pidgin=2.5.5 on diablo, anyone! | 20:17 |
| joyrider___ | but now i can't figure out how to mount it again | 20:17 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:17 |
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| joyrider___ | although i could disable usbnet again and hook it up to the pc and run mount in terminal that should give me the right info i think | 20:18 |
| joyrider___ | will do that brb | 20:18 |
| thopiekar | thresh: " otschem priatna' " :P | 20:19 |
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| thresh | s/m/n/ :) | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | sry I should look into my book for the next time :D | 20:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Can anyone with a tablet tell me what the output of "ls -l /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme" is. Trying to decide if this script should run as root... | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar/Stskeeps/jeremiah_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | wy ljobitje ejct borsch? | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 20:21 |
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| luke-jr | how do I get swap to enable at boot? | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | ^ thresh | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw that the Mer article is up? (with some factual errors but yeah..) | 20:21 |
| thresh | thopiekar: yes, it looks like proper russian ;) | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, saw that it was mentioned, haven't gotten around to looking at it. | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: this link should be added at the end of the wiki how to upload to extras.. | 20:23 |
| thopiekar | I miss it there | 20:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, not yet. | 20:23 |
| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: why not? | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, Nokia hasn't actually shipped the necessary patches for h-a-m. :\ | 20:23 |
| thopiekar | h-a-m? | 20:23 |
| * thopiekar likes ham or even spam :P | 20:24 | |
| qwerty12 | But the more packages that use the new categories now makes it all the better when Nokia stop fucking around. I can imagine a few people being pissed off at the thought of reuploading for a category change ;) | 20:24 |
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| thopiekar | k I'm going to leave not.. see youu :) | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application Manager | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the new categories wont be localized. | 20:27 |
| thopiekar | k | 20:27 |
| thopiekar | *now | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, personally, I'm ready to implement it as a requirement for the autobuilder. | 20:27 |
| thopiekar | :DD | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The categories in h-a-m will then become all ugly and unlocalized and Nokia will get the blame. | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Which is deserved if they can't be arsed to put the update :/ | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | s/put/put out/ | 20:28 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Which is deserved if they can't be arsed to put out the update :/ | 20:28 |
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| joyrider___ | got it :) | 20:32 |
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| mikkov__ | Is Auto Indent in Leafpad working for anybody? | 20:34 |
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| sp3000 | Jaffa, Stskeeps, "standard Maemo .ipkg packages"? (lwn) | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | sp3000: hmm. | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | sp3000: feel free to comment on the article i guess, we don't use ipkg packages, we're hardly that insane :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | (i have no idea where he pulled that out of) | 20:36 |
| sp3000 | the ass of umption, I suppose :P | 20:37 |
| timeless | heh | 20:37 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, looks like I'd have to pay to comment :) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'll send him some errata i guess | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | sp3000: i personally wouldn't have touched maemo if it was running with ipkgs :P | 20:45 |
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| hahlobit | Why not ipkg? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh my | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | qole as candidate | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | now i have two to contest as my first selection.. | 20:51 |
| hahlobit | Familiar has ipkgs and openwrt | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 20:53 |
| hahlobit | They seems to work some depency problems like in slack | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly apt can do with a severe beating at times.. | 20:56 |
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| hahlobit | You install something but it doesn't run | 20:56 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: LWN are usually pretty good at corrections from comments | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i just mailed him directly | 21:00 |
| * Jaffa would comment, but if I sit in front og my computer I'll be sick | 21:00 | |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: that may work too; difficult to see evidence of that ;-) | 21:01 |
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| Jaffa | Nice. qole and sjgadsby standing | 21:04 |
| Spellada | anyone know the best game for maemo outthere? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | Spellada: mahjong.. :P | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i am not kidding. the amount of people addicted to that game.. | 21:04 |
| Spellada | well :) .... im not .... | 21:05 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: ping | 21:06 |
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| dneary | Yup? | 21:06 |
| dneary | Just adding sjgadsby & qole to the wiki | 21:06 |
| Jaffa | dneary: when the election tokens go out, can you include a link to the wiki page? | 21:06 |
| Jaffa | Ah, cool :) | 21:07 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Which one? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | what url is the wiki page at? | 21:07 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: the declarations | 21:07 |
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| dneary | There are several wiki pages... | 21:07 |
| dneary | Jaffa: How about http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Random ? | 21:08 |
| dneary | There's about a 500 to 1 shot that'll be the right page ;) | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | dneary: -----^ "the declarations" | 21:10 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I wasn't born a smart-arse you know | 21:10 |
| dneary | I had to work at it | 21:10 |
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| Jaffa | i.e. the one you're editing listing the candidates, their positions etc. | 21:10 |
| dneary | Jaffa: It's in there already | 21:11 |
| dneary | I sent this to Niels earlier | 21:11 |
| dneary | (now I need to add another couple of candidates, sheesh!) | 21:11 |
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| | | dneary@maemo.org | 21:12 |
| | | Maemo Community Council election - voting instructions | 21:12 |
| | | Dear <member> | 21:12 |
| | | The election of the Maemo Community Council is now open. | 21:12 |
| | | Voting will run from March 12th (today) until March 19th 2009, | 21:12 |
| | | 23:59 UTC. | 21:13 |
| | | To vote, please go to http://maemo.org/vote/ and follow the | 21:13 |
| | | instructions there. | 21:13 |
| | | A list of candidates and their reasons for running is available in the | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | pastebins | 21:13 |
| | | wiki at | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:13 |
| | | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2009 | 21:13 |
| | | When instructed to do so, enter the following details: | 21:13 |
| | | E-mail: | 21:13 |
| | | Vote token: | 21:13 |
| *** | is now known as Guest2881 | 21:13 | |
| Guest2881 | The election has 4 steps - first, you must identify yourself using the | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | voting token above. Then select your preferred candidates in order of | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | preference. A third step will show you your choice, and ask you to | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | confirm or return to the previous step. Finally, after confirming your | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | choice, a unique identifier will be given to you which will allow you to | 21:13 |
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| Guest2881 | verify after the election that your vote was counted correctly. To ensure | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | anonymity, no link will be kept between this token and your identifiers, | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | so please keep this token safe. Once you have voted, you will not be able | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | to vote again. | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | Thank you for your vote! | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | Regards, | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | Dave Neary, on behalf of the Maemo community. | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | Stskeeps: Thanks for the top | 21:13 |
| Guest2881 | I am now known as Guest2881? | 21:13 |
| *** Guest2881 is now known as dneary | 21:13 | |
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| dneary | Weeeird | 21:13 |
| dneary | I had, apparently, failed to register the password for | quickly enough | 21:14 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: Thanks, looks good. Did you sort out the IE issues? (I've been in bed all day so apologise if you wanted testing). | 21:17 |
| * dneary debates whether to leave "Express yourself! Make your messenger window look the way you want." in qole's declaration | 21:17 | |
| dneary | Jaffa: No, didn't | 21:17 |
| sp3000 | dneary: it's a wiki, you can hide the snark in history :P | 21:18 |
| dneary | sp3000: Ten seconds too late | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and one of the comments from the test run: change "select your preferred candidates in order of preference" to "vote for zero or more candidates in order of preference" (or similar)? | 21:18 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: I put "Choose your candidates in the order of your preference by clicking on them. Don't worry, if you click on someone by mistake you can correct it later. Once you are happy with the order, submit your vote. You will have the chance to review and confirm your ballot on the next page. | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Are you still looking at the IE problem? | 21:20 |
| dneary | then... You can vote for as few or as many candidates as you choose. Your vote will be counted for your first choice candidate as long as he is still in the race, and when he is eliminated, your vote will transfer to the next preference candidate still in the race. | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | Ah, cool | 21:20 |
| dneary | Jaffa: honestly? Low priority problem for this community | 21:21 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Spent the day working on getting the electorate right | 21:21 |
| dneary | There were a couple of new karma issues Patrik was working on | 21:21 |
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| dneary | But I have the importing the maemo user database down pat now, 10 minutes from receiving the CSV file to having the filtered electorate in the database | 21:22 |
| keesj | dneary: :p | 21:22 |
| dneary | keesj: Was that for the "low priority" comment? :) | 21:22 |
| dneary | I do want to think about the people who have locked down windows PCs at work, but I don't think there are many :) | 21:23 |
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| joyrider___ | hmm just installed console-tools and want to use my internal 2 gig memory to clone the os, now i created 1 fat32 primary partition (250 mb) the rest extended with 1 logical ext3 partition. however when i choose clone in the menu and select the source i get a new screen with an error on it : error : expected at least 7 tokens for --radiolist, have 4 is this normal ? | 21:23 |
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| keesj | no for the leave the "Express yourself" , /me is lagging a little | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I disagree it is a low priority. If it's not fixed, we can mitigate it with a comment on the page it won't work in IE, but will work in Firefox, tablet browser, Safari(?), Opera(?), ..., | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | I assume the "express yourself" was Hotmail spam | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Agreed, it's probably not the end of the world for people with locked down PCs at work | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | Just trying to think about what criticism we're going to get this year :-/ | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | .. people still use hotmail? scary | 21:26 |
| dneary | Jaffa: The "express yourself" is, of course, Hotmail spam | 21:26 |
| dneary | And "doesn't work on IE" is probably going to get met with "haw haw haw he uses IE" | 21:26 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I assume you're being a smart-arse, rather than serious :-) | 21:27 |
| joyrider___ | ah nvm just found out i had to run pbeasy instead of pb ;) | 21:29 |
| * Stskeeps hugs Octave for saving his ass in linear algebra again. | 21:30 | |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 21:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | IE might matter if we're looking at 10 karma points, but doubtful for 25. | 21:33 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is glad to see sjgadsby responded to his prodding. | 21:34 | |
| Stskeeps | qole for council chair! | 21:34 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 21:34 | |
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| RST38h | General: that was an over-generalizing statement =) | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I think people with enough karma to net a voting token can figure out how to open the link in Firefox if necessary. | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, candidate page is alphabetical by last name. | 21:38 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I assumed it was in the order of arrival of candidature statements | 21:39 |
| dneary | Didn't check | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I'll resort it. | 21:39 |
| dneary | Jaffa: And no, honestly, I think if someone went on maemo-community and said "doesn't work on IE", I suspect they'd be laughed at | 21:39 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I think I hace a fix | 21:40 |
| dneary | But it makes the whole thing look horrible | 21:40 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: there's a difference between ppl on -community laughing at someon and a maemo.org representative doing the same. | 21:41 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Are you trying to put me in a serious-jacket? | 21:42 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Can you test something for me, please? | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | I'd use the word "professional"; maemo.org sometimes has an image problem with less-involved people. | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | dneary: of course | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ". . . Hildon application toolkit developed for Maemo tablets, Munk says to expect GTK+ and Qt support as well." nice | 21:44 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I don't think you've ever seen me be nasty-rude to people | 21:44 |
| dneary | Jaffa: But I think we probably have different senses of what "professional" means | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I didn't say you had. I was referring to your hypothetical | 21:44 |
| dneary | And I definitely don't want to get put on a maemo.org pedestal | 21:45 |
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| dneary | I think that we should be held to the same standards as the rest of the community, no more no less | 21:45 |
| dneary | (beyond, you know, the expectation of availability & results) | 21:45 |
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| * Jaffa isn't going to get into a debate when a) I wasn't suggesting you'd done anything wrong and b) was talking about hypothetical "pointing and laughing" | 21:47 | |
| dneary | Jaffa: I didn't say *I* was going to do the pointing & laughing | 21:48 |
| dneary | But I think that would be the tone of the response | 21:48 |
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| dneary | Much as it would be if someone went to the GNOME Foundation list with the same concern | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Yes, you clarified that and I was happy. | 21:48 |
| dneary | *was* happy? | 21:48 |
| dneary | What did I do to upset you since? | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | Nothing. This happpened in the past. | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | I'm still happy. | 21:49 |
| dneary | Oh. | 21:49 |
| dneary | OK. | 21:49 |
| dneary | Night, then. | 21:49 |
| dneary | (I'll send the candidate list, and with Niels' help, start the election tomorrow at noon) | 21:50 |
| Jaffa | Ta muchly | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, sent GTK+ as a errata. QT: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-Mer.png | 21:51 |
| lcuk | http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/8/10/633540088021422073-happinessappleshapples.jpg | 21:51 |
| lcuk | (i couldnt find happy oranges, but heres a happy apple!) | 21:51 |
| Macer | anybody know how to move windows in screen? | 21:54 |
| Macer | i want to move 1 to 0 | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Is it even possible? | 21:55 |
| Macer | i don't know :) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Do ^A ? | 21:55 |
| RST38h | And see what it says | 21:55 |
| Macer | guess not :-\ | 21:56 |
| Macer | wish there was twin for fbsd | 21:57 |
| RST38h | ...tall, thin aluminum can, packaging in an unknown language. Opening the can caused a chemical reaction with the liquid inside the can. Liquid was apparently not intended for an oxygenated atmosphere, and detonated violently, causing several injuries and killing two researchers. Testing discontinued, and area cleared. Testing area observed to smell like citrus for several days... | 21:59 |
| Macer | RST38h: uhm. what is that? | 21:59 |
| Macer | napalm or something? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Macer: an energy drink vended by a machine | 21:59 |
| Macer | wtf?? | 22:00 |
| Macer | hahaha | 22:00 |
| Macer | where is that article? :) | 22:00 |
| Jaffa | dneary: No IE at home, I'm afraid. If it's just the links making things look nasty, have you tried style="text-decoration: none" on the a elements? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Macer: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-261 (Object SCP-261 aka magic vending machine from Japan) | 22:01 |
| Macer | i'm trying to put twin on my damn shell box | 22:01 |
| * qwerty12_N800 leads the "Fuck IE!" resistance movement | 22:01 | |
| Macer | i need something that's better than screen and can be detatched | 22:01 |
| * RST38h incarcerates qwerty12 making him use Lynx with a braille keyboard | 22:01 | |
| Jaffa | dneary: if that doesn't help, I'll test at work tomorrow if election's starting at noon (GMT?) | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Resistance supressed! | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:02 |
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| Jaffa | ev'ning, qgil | 22:02 |
| qgil | hi Jaffa | 22:02 |
| qgil | wow, voting 5 candidates in preferential sorting seemed relatively easy just few days (hours ago) | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, qgil. | 22:03 |
| qgil | but now suddenly it has become much more <del>complex</del> interesting | 22:04 |
| qgil | cool stuff | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, just think how many candidates we're going to get when the bacon benefits we talked about before get implemented. ;) | 22:04 |
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| qgil | I will give a complimentary vote to the candidate that manifests his preference for a vegan diet | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bigpot6.jpg | 22:06 |
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| Jaffa | Does having a vegetarian wife count? ;-) | 22:06 |
| lcuk | qgil, even vegans are tempted by bacon | 22:06 |
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| Jaffa | There was an article in Time magazine a few weeks ago about posh US restaurants using bacon in deserts | 22:07 |
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| Jaffa | Inspired by Heston Blumenthal's bacon & egg (and salmonella? ;-)) ice cream. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | chocolate coated bacon is quite appealing | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had the best sausage gravy and biscuits this morning. | 22:09 |
| * lcuk has had a rest from bacon this week though: tracys lemon n lime drizzle cake has distracted me | 22:09 | |
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| qgil | lcuk: maybe British vegans | 22:10 |
| * Jaffa remembers that GeneralAntilles' "biscuits" != UK biscuits. | 22:10 | |
| lcuk | heh gqil, more than likely | 22:10 |
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| Proteous | Mmmm, bacon | 22:12 |
| qgil | lcuk: in Spain vegans are tempted by http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/504912164/ - bacon can't simply compete with that | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | OH I'M SO HAPPY | 22:13 |
| guerby | to Nokia kernel hackers: if you want swapfile on vfat to work with recent kernels, pick up this patch http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0903.1/01510.html (or avoid the faulty nov 2008 patch) | 22:13 |
| Myrtti | my home server died and I had my testbed mediawiki on it ^____^ | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: for a non-native, which one is which? | 22:13 |
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| Myrtti | ;___________; | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: UK calls cookies "biscuits" | 22:13 |
| * Myrtti goes to strangle small furry animals | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | qgil, what is that? | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And what is the US variety? | 22:14 |
| * Jaffa isn't entirely sure what US biscuits are. A hard, dry, savoury disk, typically softened with gravy IIRC | 22:14 | |
| * RST38h never seen that one | 22:15 | |
| RST38h | Wiki to the rescue | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | heh | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Russian "biscuit" is closer to what you would call "pound cake" | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | And what'd I call "pound cake"? ;-) | 22:16 |
| RST38h | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit <-- ah, I have seen that one | 22:16 |
| lcuk | balls! cursed damn thing. i just stripped down my 810, took out the memory card took it out of the micro-mini thing, swapped it, put it back together, booted up and completely forgot to move the file i needed before booting | 22:16 |
| Macer | configure: error: GNU Make > 3.76.1 is required to compile twin | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_cake | 22:16 |
| joyrider___ | is it normal that the n810 is very very unstable after cloning the os ? | 22:17 |
| joyrider___ | when booting from the internal memory card of course | 22:17 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Why not use USB connector or scp or bt? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | joyrider___, not usually | 22:17 |
| lcuk | well i would but the data i needed was on the memory card i just dismantled | 22:18 |
| lcuk | before stripping it i thought "i need to copy that" | 22:18 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: ah, I see. I've got my mum's Christmas cake to finish which looks like it's a pound cake matured with rum, covered in marzipan and icing. | 22:20 |
| Macer | hm | 22:21 |
| Macer | i hate to manually move make and replace it with gmake | 22:21 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, that cake in the poundcake article looks ominous | 22:21 |
| lcuk | wayy too much icing | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, .RU version (aka biscuit) is actually much lighter | 22:22 |
| joyrider___ | bleh can't seem to get usbnet working either after booting from the internal memcard | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: with minimal icing/covering | 22:23 |
| RST38h | and some tasty crust | 22:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Sounds good | 22:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you shoud try US brownies | 22:24 |
| lcuk | isnt that illegal? | 22:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no that I am aware of | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: but it is guaranteed to leave your body in the same shape it entered | 22:25 |
| lcuk | related to twinkies then | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, buttermilk biscuits: http://southernfood.about.com/od/breakfastrecipes/ig/Delicious-Breakfasts/sausagebisci.htm | 22:27 |
| lcuk | gan, those aren't biscuits | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | US biscuits are soft. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | ours are soft if they are left out of the packet | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisquick | 22:29 |
| lcuk | you oculdnt exactly dunk them | 22:29 |
| lcuk | and why did i think of natalie portman | 22:29 |
| lcuk | ive always thought hot grits were actual stone grit - its confused me since i started reading slashdot | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . grits. | 22:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles had some of those too. | 22:30 | |
| lcuk | a whole whooosh of memes just clarified themselves in my head | 22:32 |
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| Macer | well.. got twin to run | 22:36 |
| Macer | don't know exactly how to use it yet but it looks promising :) | 22:36 |
| Macer | if only i can figure out how to use it in a tty instead of it opening an X interface | 22:37 |
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| jeremiah_ | Macer: What is twin? | 22:38 |
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| Macer | Twin runs perfectly on the linux console, inside itself, in a twin terminal and on X11: it opens a window and draws in it, does _not_ run inside an xterm or similar. | 22:42 |
| Macer | i'm wondering how gay it is now :) | 22:42 |
| Macer | i thought twin would be an ncurses style screen but i guess not | 22:42 |
| * Macer removes it | 22:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Alrighty then | 22:43 |
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| Macer | someone told me that it was a good replacement to screen with "desktop" and resizable windows etc | 22:44 |
| Macer | but it is a little different.. and seeing it doesn't run inside an xterm properly... isn't worth it | 22:44 |
| * RST38h now understands that he has seen a US-issue biscuit many times but never tasted it | 22:44 | |
| Macer | also it seems to require a mouse so that alone makes it not worth it | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're good. | 22:44 |
| Macer | i hate biscuits | 22:45 |
| Macer | and most of them are not good | 22:45 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: "US-issue Biscuit"? | 22:45 |
| Macer | they taste like poor people's bread | 22:45 |
| jeremiah_ | I love biscuits\ | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, as opposed to a UK "biscuit" | 22:46 |
| jeremiah_ | A good buttermilk biscuit is like manna from heaven. | 22:46 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Oh - UK biscuit == cookie | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, cover it in sausage gravy and it's even better. ;) | 22:46 |
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| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Exactly! :) | 22:47 |
| Macer | that was abrupt | 22:47 |
| Macer | :) | 22:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Mmmm | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Ah, the power of sausage gravy! | 22:47 |
| GAN800 | Installing updates | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Your wish to have a single icon to start ATI85 and a model selection menu has been granted | 22:49 |
| GAN800 | Poof! | 22:49 |
| * RST38h just tested the version where it works reliably | 22:49 | |
| RST38h | Can't release it until I have got TI-82, TI-83+ and the menu images though | 22:50 |
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| Macer | that's better | 23:00 |
| Macer | don't know why i waited so long to set up identd .. guess i just didn't care that much :) | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jeremiah_: if you haven't edited the file already, can you tell me what "ls -l /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme" returns for you? | 23:05 |
| jeremiah_ | where, on my NIT? | 23:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 23:05 |
| jeremiah_ | dumb question, I'll go check . . . | 23:05 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 are you just testing jeremiah_ :p | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no, genuine question :D | 23:06 |
| * lcuk curses not being able to get network connected in mer | 23:06 | |
| jeremiah_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42 Dec 22 2005 /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme | 23:06 |
| jeremiah_ | Viola! | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Got it, thanks :) | 23:07 |
| jeremiah_ | Sure. | 23:07 |
| jeremiah_ | What does it mean? :) | 23:07 |
| jeremiah_ | I mean I know what that line means, but what are you looking for? | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll have to execute the script to toggle the cursor as root :/ :) | 23:08 |
| jeremiah_ | ah. | 23:08 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe we can do that as a post-install in the deb package? | 23:08 |
| jeremiah_ | So if you install the synergy package you get the cursor added automagically | 23:08 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, do not trust anything qwerty puts in a postinst | 23:09 |
| jeremiah_ | I will look into that. | 23:09 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah, but you see, _I_ would put it into the postinst | 23:09 |
| jeremiah_ | =) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | phew! | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, I made the script a toggling one expecting it to be ran outside the install. No problems :) | 23:09 |
| * lcuk glares at qwerty | 23:09 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 glares back at the northerner | 23:10 | |
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| lcuk | :D | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm just grinning at the thought that it actually got included | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | That was the version you should have promoted ;P | 23:12 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/debian/preinst.qwerty12?view=markup&root=liqbase&pathrev=26 | 23:13 |
| lcuk | no, its not \o/ | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, it's more like w00t! | 23:14 |
| lcuk | lol only if done properly, the next version of liqbase is gonna includes something specifically for you lol | 23:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | i cant get mer net working, worst of all i cant even remember my wifi password | 23:16 |
| woglinde | lcuk haha | 23:21 |
| woglinde | reset your router | 23:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | router? *cough* | 23:21 |
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| GAN8001 | woglinde, he's freaking AdHoc at home. <_< | 23:23 |
| lcuk | and im adhoc in the car, and the hotel and at work and wherever i might be :) | 23:24 |
| lcuk | it works really well and my devices can see each other | 23:24 |
| lcuk | and v soon they will sync with each other as well | 23:24 |
| lcuk | whatever i see or draw or write will be available to me on any of my devices :) | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My devices can also see each other with a router too :) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | not on the bus they cant | 23:25 |
| lcuk | or out in the park | 23:25 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, you can use adhoc elsewhere and infrastructure at home. | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 23:26 |
| lcuk | why bother changing? | 23:26 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, nothing you do justifies your current setup other than being too goddamn cheap to buy a router. | 23:26 |
| GAN8001 | Because adhoc kills your battery. | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | i have a little wire for that | 23:26 |
| lcuk | when do you hear me complaining about running out of power when i need it | 23:26 |
| lcuk | the nokia even at 100% lasts longer on battery than my laptop | 23:27 |
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| lbt | is there a hack I'm missing? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | for what? | 23:32 |
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| lbt | eyes I guess - so my devices can see each other... | 23:32 |
| * lbt goes now | 23:32 | |
| lcuk | lol | 23:32 |
| thresh | hum hum | 23:33 |
| thresh | any working icq clients for diablo? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install the beta | 23:34 |
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| lbt | since Stskeeps is asleep ... does anyone here know about the Mer builder? | 23:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, it builds packages for Mer. | 23:45 |
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| lbt | ah, now if it did that I'd be happy | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:45 |
| lbt | actually it mainly prints error messages ;) | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, that's what I meant | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It prints error messages. :P | 23:47 |
| lcuk | sometimes those error messages give subtle clues to what its doing and why its not working ;) | 23:48 |
| lbt | here you go: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/qt4=4.5.0-0maemo0_x86-0903111955.log | 23:48 |
| lbt | it's missing libreadline-dev | 23:48 |
| lbt | OTOH http://pastebin.com/d33a2ac62 | 23:48 |
| lbt | it's in my deps | 23:48 |
| lbt | so, AFAIUI, it should have installed it for me :( | 23:48 |
| lbt | bad builder | 23:49 |
| lcuk | Setting up python2.6-minimal (2.6.1-1ubuntu1) ... | 23:49 |
| lcuk | Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> | 23:49 |
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| lbt | I'd missed that | 23:50 |
| lbt | what's odd is that it was fine on the vdk | 23:51 |
| lbt | and from what I can see it's the same system... | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | readline actually deps 2.6 and that doesnt give errors | 23:51 |
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| lbt | readline is OK... it's "package libreadline4-dev cannot be found" that is odd | 23:52 |
| lbt | it sounds like it isn't in the repo | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | Preparing to replace libreadline5 5.2-3.1 (using .../libreadline5_5.2-4_i386.deb) ... | 23:53 |
| lcuk | Unpacking replacement libreadline5 ... | 23:53 |
| lcuk | yeah 5 is there | 23:53 |
| lbt | autobuilders are cool - 'cept when they break | 23:53 |
| lcuk | autobuilders at least give a log | 23:53 |
| lcuk | its not quite so blackbox | 23:54 |
| lbt | actually, it hasn't tried to install *any* build-deps | 23:54 |
| lcuk | heh, "omg its qt - RUN!" | 23:55 |
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| lbt | :D | 23:56 |
| lcuk | "here i am, brain the size of a planet and you want me to build your applications" | 23:56 |
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