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| fartlrdsauron | hi is there a usb current measuring device | 00:05 |
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| fartlrdsauron | for tablet/usb | 00:05 |
| thresh | GeneralAntilles: apt fails to found telepathy-haze when trying to install rtcomm | 00:06 |
| thresh | wants >= 0.2.something, has 0.1.4 | 00:07 |
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| thresh | probably some bug in the repo | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thresh, you'll need to find the Collabora repo. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | thresh, it should be listed on gronmayer. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | thresh, Nokia never got around to actually uploading all of the parts necessary to install the rtcomm-beta from Extras | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a PITA but what can you do. | 00:10 |
| fartlrdsauron | discard shit, focus on progress | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | thresh, see this bug for some background anyway: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4032 | 00:11 |
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| thresh | i was asked if i want to use Collabora repository... | 00:12 |
| thresh | thanks | 00:12 |
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| Macer | i really have a place in my heart for my G1 | 00:14 |
| Robot101 | from time to time they ask us why we've not updated the packaging for haze etc in extras | 00:14 |
| Robot101 | but they don't give us any time to work on it :P | 00:15 |
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| GAN8001 | Robot101, clearly a Saturday night is called for. ;) | 00:24 |
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| joyrider___ | lol figured a way around my problem : got my projects located on a my windows pc and shared it, got the share mounted on my ubuntu box, made symbolic link in home dir of scratchbox to the windows share and mount the share on my n810 as well. dev on windows, compile on unix box (using ssh) and directly run it on the device ^^ | 01:14 |
| lcuk | dev on windows, compile natively on arm, run :) | 01:18 |
| joyrider___ | :) | 01:19 |
| joyrider___ | do u compile on the device itself ? | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk is an insane person | 01:20 |
| joyrider___ | hehe | 01:20 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i might be insane, but i know the limits of my machine and what its capable of | 01:21 |
| thresh | i wish i had cluster of arm | 01:21 |
| lcuk | you have at least 2 | 01:21 |
| thresh | i can only compile bikes with those | 01:21 |
| * b-man has compiled allmost every single package in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo from his tablet | 01:23 | |
| lcuk | gan, you nervous about the election yet?> | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nah, why? | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | cos its tomorrow | 01:26 |
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| mavhc | if you fail you'll have to go back to alaska | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Back to? | 01:29 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:30 |
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| lbt | 'night all - another Qt is uploading - see if I've fixed my build-deps :) | 02:07 |
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| robink | Myrtti: Could you help me with a Gwibber issue? | 02:14 |
| Myrtti | sure, but if it's a biggie I'd rather wait six hours or so | 02:14 |
| Myrtti | shoot | 02:15 |
| Myrtti | I'll have it in my backlog if nothing else | 02:15 |
| robink | Myrtti: I dunno if it's a biggie; no status updates from any of my accounts will show. | 02:15 |
| Myrtti | robink: hardy? | 02:15 |
| robink | Myrtti: Gentoo | 02:15 |
| Myrtti | oh. | 02:15 |
| robink | Gwibber 0.7.3 | 02:15 |
| robink | *0.7.2 | 02:15 |
| Myrtti | check which version of python-webkit you've got | 02:15 |
| robink | I can give you versions of any of Gwibber's deps if you'd like. | 02:15 |
| robink | Myrtti: 1.0.2 | 02:15 |
| Myrtti | there's a specific version of python-webkit I think is incompatible | 02:16 |
| robink | Myrtti: I'm using a fairly recent SVN build of Webkit-GTK. | 02:16 |
| robink | ah | 02:16 |
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| Myrtti | robink: Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu2 | 02:17 |
| Myrtti | that's what I have | 02:17 |
| robink | I'm using version 2.0.5 of egenix-mx-base. | 02:17 |
| robink | Myrtti: hmm | 02:17 |
| robink | Myrtti: 1.0.2 is the only version in the Gentoo ebuild tree. | 02:17 |
| Myrtti | if you're in identica, poke @segphault :-) | 02:17 |
| Myrtti | I recon he should be awake at this hour | 02:18 |
| robink | I don't think I am. | 02:18 |
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| Myrtti | or alternatively | 02:18 |
| Myrtti | /connect irc.arstechnica.com and /join #gwibber | 02:18 |
| Myrtti | or poke him in twitter or whatever. He's on most places | 02:19 |
| robink | Ah, OK | 02:19 |
| robink | I just signed up on identi.ca (I'm Haifen). | 02:20 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone know where i can find rdiff-backup | 02:38 |
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| Shadow__X | b-man, do you know where i can get rdiff backup | 03:02 |
| Shadow__X | for maemo | 03:02 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone | 03:21 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 03:21 |
| Shadow__X | rdiff-backup | 03:22 |
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| b-man | even apt-get and wget won't work in my ubuntu chroot - even when connected - pluse wifi-radar errors out when i'm booted in ubuntu now :( | 03:24 |
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| Shadow__X | how do i get maemo to use this repo | 03:33 |
| Shadow__X | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rdiff-backup/ | 03:33 |
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| Shadow__X | b-man, what have you done | 03:42 |
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| b-man | Shadow_X: i'm not shure what's wrong, this just happened :P | 03:45 |
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| Shadow__X | b-man, hmm thats weird and odd i have had weird issues before hey do you know how to add a debian repo to maemo and maybe you are having storage issues | 03:46 |
| Shadow__X | that caused the breaks | 03:46 |
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| b-man | Shadow_X: you can add the mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list, also, i have allmost 1 gb free | 03:48 |
| b-man | 1005 mb | 03:48 |
| Shadow__X | what do i put under the other stuff | 03:49 |
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| Shadow__X | and i didnt mean what you ahd free | 03:49 |
| Shadow__X | i meant the integrety of the medium | 03:49 |
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| b-man | i'm running it on a sandisk card on an ext3 partition | 03:50 |
| Shadow__X | error check it | 03:50 |
| b-man | it's clean | 03:51 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 03:51 |
| b-man | it also boots fine | 03:51 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 03:52 |
| b-man | but i can't get network acsess booted or in a chroot - even when i'm connected | 03:52 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 03:52 |
| b-man | in maemo | 03:52 |
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| Shadow__X | my issue first? | 03:53 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 03:53 |
| b-man | k, hold on... | 03:53 |
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| b-man | Shadow_X; add 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main' to the file and then make a file called /etc/apt/preferences and add the following: | 03:58 |
| b-man | Package: * | 03:58 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 03:59 |
| b-man | Pin: release a=sid | 03:59 |
| Shadow__X | where did you get squeeze from | 03:59 |
| b-man | Pin-Priority: 300 | 03:59 |
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| b-man | i copyed it from the packages debian website | 04:00 |
| Shadow__X | ah i just want rdiff backup though | 04:00 |
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| doc|home | slightly off-topic, but can anyone suggest a cheap ($1-200) gps that will show speed on even a monochrome screen and can interface with an n800? Cheaper is better. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, can't recommend anything specific, but I'm sure Garmin has something. | 04:03 |
| doc|home | any keywords for the interface? | 04:03 |
| b-man | Shadow_X: then change Package: * to Package: rdiff-backup - i think | 04:03 |
| * doc|home has never done stuff with gps before | 04:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Etrex is the line. | 04:04 |
| doc|home | oh, needs to be waterproof too. For watersport speed recording | 04:04 |
| doc|home | brb | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, I could recommend Bluetooth units and I could recommend color navigation units, but not monochrome stuff. ;) | 04:05 |
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| Shadow__X | b-man there is nothing in sources.list | 04:05 |
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| Shadow__X | GeneralAntilles, any ideas to get rdiff-backup on maemo | 04:06 |
| b-man | you need to add the mirror i provided ;) | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, if you've got a West Marine in the area they should have some marine models on hand that you can play with before you buy. | 04:07 |
| b-man | Shadow_X, any ideas with my problem btw? | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shadow__X, um, no? | 04:07 |
| Shadow__X | b-man, sounds like something broek | 04:07 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 04:07 |
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| Shadow__X | i would reinstall | 04:07 |
| Shadow__X | thats me | 04:07 |
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| b-man | :( i've had this same install for 3 months - and it has all of my dev software on it :( | 04:08 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 04:09 |
| b-man | it's pritty important to me.. | 04:09 |
| Shadow__X | right | 04:09 |
| Shadow__X | no backups? | 04:09 |
| b-man | mm | 04:09 |
| b-man | but it runs fine - even without network acsess | 04:10 |
| b-man | i'm hoping that i can repair the problem without reinstallingubuntu | 04:11 |
| b-man | *reinstalling ubuntu | 04:11 |
| Shadow__X | right | 04:13 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 04:13 |
| Shadow__X | did you mess up with permissions | 04:13 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: well, it's not a requirement that it be monochrome, just I'd expect it to be cheaper :) thanks, will look into them | 04:13 |
| b-man | nope | 04:13 |
| Shadow__X | b-man on my sources.list file i get an error saying malformed line 1 dist parse | 04:14 |
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| b-man | hmm | 04:14 |
| Shadow__X | it was a spacing error | 04:15 |
| Shadow__X | i messed up | 04:15 |
| b-man | oh | 04:15 |
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| Shadow__X | if its not in the source.list where else does it keep repos | 04:16 |
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| b-man | Shadow_X: /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 04:21 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 04:22 |
| Shadow__X | also now it says invalid record in preferences file | 04:23 |
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| Shadow__X | no package header | 04:23 |
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| b-man | hmm | 04:23 |
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| Shadow__X | i have Package rdiff-backup | 04:24 |
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| Shadow__X | Pin : release a=sid | 04:24 |
| Shadow__X | Pin-Priority:300 | 04:24 |
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| Shadow__X | is that right | 04:26 |
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| Shadow__X | now it says python-support (>= 0.7.1) | 04:29 |
| Shadow__X | broekn packages | 04:29 |
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| wald0 | where i can get EFL* packages for my n800 ? | 04:37 |
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| b-man16 | Shadow_X: i'm back, sorry for disappearing - got interupted by parents :P | 04:38 |
| Shadow__X | its ok | 04:39 |
| Shadow__X | still isnt working | 04:39 |
| Shadow__X | :( | 04:39 |
| b-man16 | hmm :( | 04:39 |
| b-man16 | i'll pastebin what you need, hold on | 04:40 |
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| Shadow__X | k thanks | 04:42 |
| Macer | yawn | 04:42 |
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| Macer | The team has been braving temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit/Celsius | 04:45 |
| Macer | wtf is Fahrenheit/Celsius? did they merge or something? | 04:45 |
| Macer | new dev version of temperature 5.3? | 04:45 |
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| derf | -40F is also -40C. | 04:46 |
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| b-man16 | Shadow_X: http://pastebin.ca/1358722 - i hope this works | 04:47 |
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| b-man16 | re: http://pastebin.ca/1358724 | 04:48 |
| Shadow__X | how do i make sure it stays all in one line | 04:51 |
| Macer | er.... | 04:52 |
| Macer | 40F is 4C | 04:53 |
| b-man16 | Shadow_X: just copy and paste that information into those files | 04:55 |
| derf | Macer: Great. What does that have to do with -40F/C? | 04:56 |
| Macer | ok.. that makes a little more sense | 04:58 |
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| Macer | i just thought it was odd | 04:58 |
| Shadow__X | b-man16, i typed it in but i am running update now it just takes so long | 04:59 |
| b-man16 | k | 04:59 |
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| Addison | Hi, this is Derek | 05:31 |
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| Addison5 | Greetings gentlemen! | 05:32 |
| Addison | Never used this before so not sure how it all works | 05:32 |
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| Addison5 | Hey, who's the weird guy named Addison here? *lol* | 05:33 |
| Addison | An imposter! | 05:33 |
| Addison5 | I never liked you! :) | 05:34 |
| Addison5 | Who are you anyway? | 05:34 |
| Addison | Still Derek from ITT | 05:34 |
| Addison5 | You're Dfinch? | 05:34 |
| Addison | Yup (you had some questions on Palm/Garnet install? | 05:35 |
| Addison5 | Why on earth are you using my name? Weirdo. *lol* | 05:35 |
| Addison5 | Yeah, I'd love to chat if you got a moment. | 05:35 |
| Addison | Sure if I can be of help! | 05:36 |
| Addison5 | Excellent! | 05:36 |
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| Addison | are all the people on the right 'listening' in? | 05:38 |
| Shadow__X | i dont know about the rest but i definitely am | 05:39 |
| Addison5 | I think they all are campers or something. Don't know, I only come here about once every month or so. | 05:39 |
| Addison5 | Hey Derek, check you private message box on the bottom of the screen. It should be highlighted red. | 05:39 |
| Addison | ok. So did you try any of my suggestions - you haven't had much time I realise | 05:39 |
| Addison5 | Yeah, I uninstalled and reinstalled Garnet VM. I'm still looking through the folders on my desktop trying to find exactly what I need to erase. | 05:40 |
| Addison5 | This is too weird. I feel like I'm talking to myself. *lol* | 05:40 |
| tank-man | multiplayer notepad | 05:42 |
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| tank-man | I don't put too much time into using the garnet vm cause I haven't heard anything about long term access beyond the time limited betas | 05:44 |
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| Addison5 | I'm just trying to put some med programs on it if possible. Bunason (sp?) seems to have made it work quite well. | 05:45 |
| Shadow__X | i am trying ti install rdiff-backup | 05:45 |
| Shadow__X | i used a debian repo | 05:46 |
| Shadow__X | and when i goto install it it depends python-support >-0.7.1 | 05:46 |
| Shadow__X | how do i update it | 05:46 |
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| Shadow__X | damn it freaking rdiff | 06:12 |
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| kaie | I want to help with the pidgin icq issue. garage bug 3586. I don't have a build environment for maemo. But I have done a merge attempt based on the diffs between maemo-pidgin-2.5.1 and pidgin-2.5.1, applied to pidgin-2.5.5, merged the rejects, and have a tarball that might build on maemo | 07:21 |
| kaie | I found http://stage.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/source/p/pidgin/pidgin_2.5.1-0nix2.tar.gz | 07:22 |
| kaie | and I produced an equivalent pidgin_2.5.5-0nix2.tar.gz - anyone wants to try to build it? | 07:22 |
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| kaie | ... got disconnected. I realize that my source archive is not yet complete, because there are files that are only on one hand side of orig-pidgin and maemo-pidgin.... I'll at least attach that merge patch as a starting point | 07:40 |
| * StsN800 tries to wake up, method coffee | 07:52 | |
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| threethirty | hello all, is this a support channel? | 08:35 |
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| Myrtti | depends on your issue | 08:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ping? | 08:36 |
| threethirty | i am trying to get diablo on my n800 and am failing | 08:37 |
| threethirty | i followed this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and got this out error Write failed after 0 bytes | 08:37 |
| threethirty | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable | 08:37 |
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| Meiz_n810 | threethirty: did you flash as a root? | 08:41 |
| threethirty | i did as sudo should i do it as proper root? | 08:42 |
| threethirty | just did it as root and it still didnt work | 08:42 |
| RST38h | EHLO ALL | 08:43 |
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| Myrtti | sudo should work | 08:44 |
| Myrtti | as long as the user has permissions to use usb devices | 08:44 |
| threethirty | im the only user, and i do | 08:45 |
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| threethirty | for those who are thinking on my issue i also tried this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94459&postcount=2 and it fails at the second command on #14 with a similar error | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: pong | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop should bring you new UI, but with problems still | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | (and reboot) | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and apt-get install marquee-plugins | 08:54 |
| fireun | http://i.gizmodo.com/5167790/sixth-sense-technology-may-change-how-we-look-at-the-world-forever | 08:55 |
| fireun | nokia needs to be on this bandwagon | 08:55 |
| fireun | ~minute 4 | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, interesting mix | 08:56 |
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| fireun | makes a lot of sense, but depends on high visibility projectors, the _idea_ has merit | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | the main problem of pervasive/ubiqutious computing is the lack of infrastructure really | 09:00 |
| fireun | one of the more coherent exhibit of the core ideals behind tomorrows integration | 09:00 |
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| fireun | Stskeeps: that is an imprecise statement | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and i haven't had my coffee yet :P | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | what i meant to say is the main difficulty of pervasive computing is the fact that there's no established standards for communication and interoperability, and the high initial cost of infrastructure to support a pervasive environment. the signs are there to see cheap pervasive computing infrastructure coming, beagleboards, tablets, sheevaplug, cloud computing, etc etc.. | 09:04 |
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| fireun | if you get too many groups standardizing to the exclusion of others, you risk raising the monopoly flag - on the other hand, if you have absolute competition you have no interoperability save for where there has been reverse engineering from the "followers of tech leaders" ; establishing a middle ground forces a new market to be created, in which standardization allows seperate groups to compete on realtively equal footing (the internet idea | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | hence my emphasis of interoperability :) | 09:10 |
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| fireun | social communication is on the cusp here, technologies like jabber and now even transcellnetwork sms are securing a foundation to involve more context rich technologies as in twitter, et al. | 09:11 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: I agree, interoperability has always shown to be a win win | 09:11 |
| fireun | but some companies like monopolies, they think it brings the ultimate rewards - the short view of capatilism | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | my personal belief is that modern healthcare services will help to push pervasive computing into the home though :P | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | (though i'm a bit biased in that regard) | 09:14 |
| hahlo | you do medical software? | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | working for a research center which deals with pervasive healthcare | 09:15 |
| fireun | thats a tough gig | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | but also very giving, we're making up technologies and try out research ideas that can help a wide range of people :P | 09:16 |
| hahlo | ok, there is lot of money in medical software business | 09:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: how did you change the size of the marquee-panel? no matter what size i set in /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf or .osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf, it's always the same 80px :( | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: hmm. | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: after upgrade? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | i fixed that bug i thought | 09:17 |
| * fireun thinks all records should be identified by private key, and unlocked by several layers of biometric information not kept as phsiological data in the records themselves, or something to that effect | 09:17 | |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll try again then | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: it's a tough one.. because, who owns medical data about you? | 09:17 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: exactly | 09:17 |
| fireun | profiling->infinity | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | let's say someone bases data on your actual blood, the person making the data then owns it? :P | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. it gives an interesting perspective on advertisers making data about your behaviour | 09:18 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: well, only if I release my information as public domain... | 09:18 |
| fireun | and if I license its use, I should get a kickback | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | my god, creative commons for blood. | 09:19 |
| fireun | mining data on people is an industry to itself, and has little regulation (or even possibility to be regulated, other than to cut off the source) | 09:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: hildon-theme-mobile-basic is ok theme i think | 09:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it will probably break | 09:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | it didn't for me yesterday, i just had to add the fallback icon theme | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | screenshots when you have time | 09:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes | 09:20 |
| threethirty | well ladies and gents im off to bed if anyone has any other ideas of what i can do just pm me im always somewhere on freenode, for those that have no idea what my issue was i blogged about it http://threethirty.us/2009/03/tried-to-flash-my-n800-to-diablo-tried.html | 09:23 |
| threethirty | thanks for the help i did get | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: did you see the LWN article about Mer yet? | 09:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | nope | 09:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | url? | 09:24 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone here use rdiff-backup | 09:29 |
| Shadow__X | on maemo | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 09:29 |
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| Shadow__X | how do you backup your n8x0 then | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. rsync | 09:33 |
| Shadow__X | but | 09:33 |
| Shadow__X | but | 09:33 |
| Shadow__X | rdiff-backup allows you to keep backing up while using about the same space | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | i've personally given up on maemo software porting, but that's just because i'm a fanatic :p | 09:34 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 09:34 |
| Shadow__X | so what do yo udo then | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | using Mer :P | 09:34 |
| Shadow__X | whats that | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | research / community hacker OS based on top of ubuntu, which means we have 90% of most ubuntu arm software :P | 09:35 |
| Shadow__X | ah nice | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | but it's not ready for day-to-day usage yet | 09:35 |
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| Shadow__X | right | 09:35 |
| Shadow__X | can i install it to mem card? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:36 |
| Shadow__X | i am going to check out the wmdk | 09:36 |
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| Shadow__X | seems interesting | 09:37 |
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| Shadow__X | how does it run | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | could run better obviously :) | 09:38 |
| Shadow__X | compared to os2008 | 09:38 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | but it's neat being able to just apt-get install abiword. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:38 |
| Shadow__X | i have abiword though | 09:39 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but without having to rely on weird patches :) | 09:39 |
| Shadow__X | ah right | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | or just apt-get install rdiff-backup ;) | 09:39 |
| Shadow__X | had to go there didnt you | 09:39 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 09:39 |
| Shadow__X | have you used rdiff before | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 09:40 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 09:40 |
| Shadow__X | because i thought technically you shouldnt have to have it but apprently i am wrong | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | oh fuck | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | i have to compile qt4 natively cos of the fact it's c++ | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 09:44 |
| RST38h | hehehehe | 09:44 |
| * Stskeeps glances at the beagleboard | 09:44 | |
| RST38h | Why native compilation though? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: our SDK messes up when it comes to C++ :/ | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | and native can be defined as emulation too :P | 09:45 |
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| Shadow__X | hmm tried to install ATHF statup images missing osso-icons | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | within where? | 09:48 |
| Shadow__X | mer app manager | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we don't have the non-free nokia icons | 09:48 |
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| Shadow__X | ah | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | we have the extras added for experimentations sake | 09:48 |
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| Shadow__X | a browser>? | 09:51 |
| Shadow__X | any mobile specific browser? | 09:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | fennec :P | 09:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | but it sucks | 09:54 |
| Shadow__X | but its slow | 09:54 |
| Shadow__X | i can run through the interwebs faster | 09:54 |
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| Shadow__X | what really sucks is i have to find something to write about | 10:00 |
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| Shadow__X | or more importantly want to write about then make a ppt of it and a biblio | 10:01 |
| Shadow__X | about technical writing | 10:01 |
| Shadow__X | or something correlated | 10:01 |
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| Shadow__X | def not ready but great direction | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 10:12 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 10:12 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:13 |
| Shadow__X | mourning | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, feeling better yet? | 10:13 |
| qwerty12 | hi Jaffa | 10:13 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | and is it just me or was the voting supposed to be today, or did i misunderstand something? :P | 10:13 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think the mails will go out today, yes. | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:14 |
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| X-Fade | Heh, Rover shows it's head again ;) | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo-commits? | 10:17 |
| X-Fade | yep | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | what we don't know is if RX-51 = Rover or it's = RX-71 though | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Well, we know now that Rover has a SGX ;) | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but most OMAP3 does :P | 10:19 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Bit better, thanks | 10:20 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I think dneary said he'd send the emails around noon | 10:22 |
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| Jaffa | (assuming GMT, but maybe local noon) | 10:22 |
| * Stskeeps is building qt for mer/x86 atm, heh | 10:23 | |
| Stskeeps | and overnight i will build it in a qemu i think | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morning _BuBU | 10:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Ain't they all going to have that? | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You tell me ;) | 10:28 |
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| RST38h | OMAP3430...hmmm | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, interesting - i never realized you could do a blanket service discovery through bluetooth | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | as in find all services open | 10:38 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Isn't it what BT scan does in your phone? :) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: usually it just searches for phones | 10:39 |
| RST38h | oh but it can also check which services each bt devices exposes :) | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:40 |
| RST38h | the more thorough PC version of BT stack does that | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i just discovered bluetooth.find_service() in pybluez so :P | 10:40 |
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| RST38h | joy! | 10:44 |
| Shadow__X | i found a way to twist a hw assignment to help me teach myself more backup techniques | 10:47 |
| Shadow__X | :) | 10:47 |
| dneary | Morning | 10:50 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Did that work yesterday? | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | dneary: see email. Short answer: no; long answer: no, but I can solve the fuglyness | 10:55 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Can you get it working? :) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | huh @ patrik flykt's statement | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I can try, but trying to catch up on the day job atm | 10:57 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wl1251, eh? :P | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 10:57 |
| RST38h | "On average, MIPS executes a little over twice as many instructions as the VAX, but the CPI for the | 10:58 |
| RST38h | VAX is almost six times the MIPS CPI, yielding almost a threefold performance advantage." | 10:58 |
| Shadow__X | Jaffa, hire an intern to take care of that | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it isn't a WL1251 in the N8x0 is it? | 10:58 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, No, it's some STMicroelectronics chip | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'd think so too | 10:59 |
| qwerty12 | 770 has the STLC4370 and the N8x0 with the STLC4550 chip | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | which makes patrik's statement more odd :P | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | wl1251 couldn't possibly replace cx3110x | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | Shadow__X: I've got underlings who | 11:00 |
| qwerty12 | He did say (sp)... | 11:00 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:00 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: OK, let's wait and see then | 11:02 |
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| goshawk | hi | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 11:25 |
| goshawk | does anybody worked to port maemo in not nokia phones/tablets like openmoko freerunner which has the same hardware as a n810? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 11:25 |
| infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | freerunner is a bit bad example since it's actually worse than a 770, instruction set wise :P | 11:26 |
| goshawk | :) happy to ear that someone is working on it :) | 11:26 |
| goshawk | yep, well you are right | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | what hardware did you have in mind, besides the freerunner? | 11:27 |
| goshawk | but debian runs there too :) | 11:27 |
| goshawk | well | 11:27 |
| goshawk | for now freerunner and freerunner gta03 | 11:27 |
| goshawk | i'm Vincenzo Ampolo, it manager at eshopen.com | 11:27 |
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| goshawk | we sell this devices in europe | 11:27 |
| goshawk | and we would like working on maemo on the freerunner | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid was working on similar, but the problem mainly lies in that mer is built for armv5te, whereas freerunner only does armv4t | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | we -can- however build on top of debian-armel as well | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | which is armv4t | 11:29 |
| goshawk | gta03 will be armv5 and we hope will be released | 11:29 |
| goshawk | at the end of the year | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | it should be trivial to put mer on top of it | 11:29 |
| goshawk | :) | 11:29 |
| goshawk | thanks for the link you posted | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the LWN article on Mer? | 11:30 |
| goshawk | no | 11:30 |
| goshawk | let me google for it | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | lemme just paste you a link in private, sec | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | some factual incorrect things in it but otherwise mostly correct | 11:30 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Can you try another version now? Modifying HTML & sending, if it works, we'll go with it | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: we are also working on smaller-resolution interfaces | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | armv5? In 2009? | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | Who is OpenMoko kidding? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ | 11:32 |
| goshawk | GAN800: i think they will not respect the deadline too, but they said us so as distributors | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | They gotta ship hardware that isn't 4 years behind current if they want to make any progress. I respect their ideals and all, but that's a bit silly. | 11:34 |
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| goshawk | Stskeeps: thanks for the other link too | 11:34 |
| Shadow__X | how do you get the ti app to work | 11:35 |
| Shadow__X | i have a ti 89 and wouldnt mind having my n810 to work like it | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: but anyway, if devel boards start showing up, donations of one of those would be a good way to get Mer going on them, when time is :) | 11:35 |
| GAN800 | Um? Install it. Start it. ? | 11:35 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: how much dev boards do you think to need? | 11:36 |
| goshawk | how many | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: hehe, dunno, one is probably good enough for getting a port running :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | when there was a linux kernel for my Pocket Loox 720, and X running, i pretty much had Mer going in a day | 11:37 |
| goshawk | uhm... i'll speak with my chief about a freerunner + a dev board | 11:38 |
| goshawk | to give to start a port | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright, sounds interesting | 11:38 |
| goshawk | are you planning to put ubuntu as a base to mer after the release of ubunt ubuntu jaunty (armv5 support) ? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | we already have it as base :) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | we started with mojo handhelds distribution initially | 11:39 |
| goshawk | :) | 11:39 |
| goshawk | ah.. so it's the same team | 11:40 |
| goshawk | well done | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | but we can compile hildon and maemo desktop on debian too for instance | 11:40 |
| hahlo | Stskeeps: mer xterm, how to stop cursor blinking and set matrix colors? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: it's a todo, and patch gladly welcome | 11:40 |
| hahlo | ok | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: we have nothing directly to do with ubuntu nor mojo, but we do talk to them, and use their efforts | 11:40 |
| goshawk | ah.. | 11:41 |
| Shadow__X | can someone possible help me get rdiff backup on maemo 2008 | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | mer is basically maemo but with the power of ubuntu | 11:41 |
| hahlo | just thought i missed some settings | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | so you can grab most ubuntu apps you want | 11:41 |
| Shadow__X | can i get rdiff-backup without using mer? | 11:42 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow__X: if you donate stuff to qwerty12, probably | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: what about the closed parts of maemo? | 11:42 |
| Shadow__X | like what | 11:42 |
| hahlo | ctrl +ad seems to not work | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: well, the question is really what is closed that is usable.. | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hahlo: yeah, need patch | 11:43 |
| hahlo | ok | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: we are API compatible, but we can't put nokia closed stuff on a freerunner, obviously | 11:43 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Mail sent | 11:43 |
| dneary | If you get a second to test, I'd appreciate it | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk: but when fremantle comes out the browser will be open source as well, but we also have Midori | 11:43 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: of course, but are there core parts of the system that are closed source? | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | goshawk: well, if you try out for example our VMDK, you see that the basic system, UI, etc, is open source | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | and the main APIs | 11:44 |
| * goshawk starts his qemu :) | 11:44 | |
| goshawk | what is the relationship between mer and freesmartphone.org? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | none whatsoever currently | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | but we can probably share components and such. | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | we're always open for discussions and cooperation though | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | dneary: will do | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | (read: we haven't had to deal with phone stuff yet) | 11:46 |
| goshawk | Stskeeps: well, openmoko community did a framework called fso | 11:46 |
| goshawk | that is 100% freedesktop.org compatible | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:47 |
| goshawk | to deal with gsm | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 11:47 |
| goshawk | oops freesmartphone.org | 11:47 |
| goshawk | and it's in a debian repository of the debian port for freerunner.. | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | then it is probably easily adaptable to mer | 11:47 |
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| goshawk | yep, it is just a framework that uses dbus... nothing more, very easy | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | it would be stupid to reinvent the wheel for us, at least :) | 11:48 |
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| goshawk | well... | 11:49 |
| goshawk | ok now i've to go... tomorrow we will have a meeting with the chiefs | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | if you have additional questions, feel free to prod me | 11:49 |
| goshawk | i'll point out the proposal of putting mer on a freerunner | 11:49 |
| goshawk | and starting working giving to the mer community a dev board + a freerunner | 11:50 |
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| goshawk | see you and thanks for all the answers you gave me | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 11:50 |
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| Shadow__X | http://pastebin.ca/1358888 | 11:51 |
| Shadow__X | can someone help me with that issue | 11:51 |
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| Shadow__X | any ideas? | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Shadow__X: you have SDK repo on your tablet? | 11:58 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Marquee-plugins is needed for the new ui, right? (dist-upgrade didn't install it) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yup | 11:58 |
| Meizirkki | tnx | 11:59 |
| Shadow__X | Stskeeps, i was trying to install rdiffbackup so i threw a debian repo in there | 11:59 |
| Shadow__X | and a bora repo | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Shadow__X: ah. bad idea :P | 12:00 |
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| Shadow__X | Stskeeps, yes now i know this lol | 12:00 |
| Shadow__X | where do i go from here | 12:00 |
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| Shadow__X | how do i deselect 2 packages | 12:04 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg --remove? :P | 12:04 |
| till__ | hi there, anyone got a pidgin 2.5.5 package for maemo? | 12:04 |
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| Shadow__X | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.ca/1358898 | 12:08 |
| Shadow__X | how about now | 12:08 |
| Shadow__X | funny guy | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow__X: ow | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow__X: reflash time | 12:08 |
| Shadow__X | mhm | 12:08 |
| Shadow__X | wha | 12:08 |
| Shadow__X | no seriously comon | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | or reinstall libgcc1 deb | 12:09 |
| Shadow__X | ok | 12:09 |
| Shadow__X | i can do that | 12:09 |
| Shadow__X | where should i go for that | 12:09 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | the real one | 12:09 |
| Shadow__X | dont want to mess it up AGAIN | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | when you fiddle with repositories any damage caused is your own fault though :P | 12:10 |
| Shadow__X | oh yeas i know | 12:10 |
| Shadow__X | i am not denying this truth | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | remove all other repositories than the nokia ones and update ones, and apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean; apt-get install --reinstall libgcc1 | 12:12 |
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| Shadow__X | hmm all of them | 12:13 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 12:13 |
| Shadow__X | i have like 50 | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | well there's the probable reason your tablet is keeling over | 12:13 |
| Shadow__X | the reason its messing up is because i added bora from maemo and a debian one | 12:14 |
| Shadow__X | and it didnt like my ignorance | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm. | 12:14 |
| Shadow__X | i think all is not lost though | 12:15 |
| Shadow__X | i believe i can fix it | 12:15 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 12:23 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 12:25 |
| Shadow__X | Stskeeps, cant run --reinstall | 12:25 |
| Shadow__X | Reinstallation of libgcc1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 12:26 |
| Shadow__X | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | well then | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | reflash time :P | 12:26 |
| Shadow__X | aww shucks | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timelE61i | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | the mad scientist | 12:31 |
| RST38h | "Interviewer: Is there any reason why you chose to personally lobotomize the subject using a railroad spike driver? It seems that the sniper could have done so from a distance." | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:32 |
| RST38h | "Clef: Therapy." | 12:33 |
| RST38h | "...and was slated for termination, as subject's violent tendencies make him a less useful example of this type than the Foundation's other examples..." | 12:35 |
| GAN800 | Shadow__X, it's called: | 12:36 |
| GAN800 | ~extras | 12:36 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 12:36 |
| Shadow__X | GAN800, what do you mean | 12:37 |
| Shadow__X | rdiff is in extras? | 12:37 |
| GAN800 | Don't add every freaking repo you can lay your hands on. | 12:37 |
| Shadow__X | and why not | 12:38 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 12:38 |
| GAN800 | That's stupid and leads to situations like this. | 12:38 |
| Shadow__X | right | 12:38 |
| GAN800 | They aren't Pokemon, you don't need to collect them all. | 12:38 |
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| GAN800 | Enable Extras, then go from there if there's anything SPECIFIC you have to have. | 12:39 |
| Shadow__X | but they all look so tempting esp shoe | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | Besides, somebody already collected 'em all for you (see Gronmayer) | 12:39 |
| GAN800 | Don't just immediately add every repo you can find (or, at least, don't do so expecting anybody else to bail you out when it all goes wrong). | 12:40 |
| Shadow__X | GAN800, i gotcha | 12:40 |
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| Shadow__X | GAN800, is there a way to delete libgcc1 | 12:47 |
| lcuk | GAN800, with those damned .install files its all too easy to add in repos. | 12:50 |
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| Shadow__X | lol | 12:50 |
| Shadow__X | thats not why i messed up | 12:50 |
| Shadow__X | looking for rdiff-backup | 12:50 |
| Shadow__X | messed me up | 12:51 |
| lcuk | no Shadow__X you are just a pokemon collector as gan says, im on about not knowing what sources they are from | 12:53 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 12:53 |
| lcuk | the shiny green .install link makes maemo appear like windows, click this download this install this. people dont realise it adds the repos which mess up other things | 12:54 |
| Shadow__X | lcuk, yes i know that | 12:54 |
| Shadow__X | but believe it or not THOSE repos didnt mess it up | 12:55 |
| lcuk | i know | 12:55 |
| Shadow__X | i know its my fault | 12:55 |
| lcuk | WE know its your fault as well | 12:55 |
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| Shadow__X | eh | 12:55 |
| lcuk | :D | 12:55 |
| lcuk | can it be cured | 12:55 |
| Shadow__X | i am working on it | 12:56 |
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| Shadow__X | cant boot ito it anymore | 12:56 |
| Shadow__X | i am on the original install now | 12:56 |
| Shadow__X | not the 2 gig install mem | 12:56 |
| lcuk | ahh | 12:57 |
| * lcuk vanishes again, hope you sort it shadow | 12:57 | |
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| Shadow__X | yeah thanks | 12:57 |
| Shadow__X | as do i | 12:57 |
| Shadow__X | you know a repo with rdiff | 12:57 |
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| Shadow__X | is there a way to mount my mem card and delete the errored package | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | morning b-man | 13:11 |
| b-man | morning Stskeeps :) | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | read the lwn article on mer yet? | 13:12 |
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| b-man | not yet | 13:13 |
| * b-man checks | 13:13 | |
| Stskeeps | there's a subscriber link on iTT as well | 13:13 |
| Shadow__X | is there a way to do what i want? | 13:14 |
| Shadow__X | b-man, i ruined my install it wont boot anymore i went back to my original install is there a way to fix the install thats on the 2gb memcard while on the internal mem install | 13:16 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 13:16 |
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| jeremiah_ | hallo | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah_ | 13:18 |
| Shadow__X | mourning jeremiah_ | 13:18 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty: Nice script. :) | 13:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Hey Stskeeps, Shadow__X :) | 13:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | I installed synergy from the deb I built in my scratchbox | 13:19 |
| jeremiah_ | but I cannot install it on the NIT because of dependency issues. | 13:19 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't understand why there are tools in the scratchbox that are not in the NIT | 13:19 |
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| * b-man needs to go to school now, Shadow_X, i'll help you on that later | 13:20 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i dist-upgrade, and Mer fails to boot :( | 13:21 |
| Meiz_n810 | now happened 4 times in a row :( | 13:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | it might have something to do with SegFault during console-setup configuration | 13:21 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: NIT has only got 256MB / | 13:22 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: do du on your SB environment and weep | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: mm, sucks | 13:25 |
| jeremiah_ | hmm | 13:28 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: So there _are_ things missing on the NIT? I suppose then I just have to take them from the sb environment and pull them over. | 13:38 |
| jeremiah_ | No big deal really. | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: welcome to maemo | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I blame you ! :) Its Mer's fault! | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | once you've gone Mer, you can't go back | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
| jeremiah_ | A little bit of press and all of a sudden you are a big shot! :P | 13:39 |
| jeremiah_ | sheesh | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, kidding ;) | 13:39 |
| jeremiah_ | he me too | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | maemo has advantages in some things | 13:39 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I am just joking with you, you know that right? | 13:40 |
| jeremiah_ | emoticons are not good at representing sarcasm | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: yup | 13:40 |
| jeremiah_ | Cool :) | 13:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, the environment has to be small, that I understand | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. my main gripe is really that.. well, sure, it has to be small, but not -too- small :P | 13:41 |
| jeremiah_ | But those inconsistencies are a bit of hassle when you have some tools in sb and are missing them on the NIT itself. | 13:41 |
| jeremiah_ | yeah | 13:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Then again, is synergy something that a lot of people will install? I dunno | 13:42 |
| * Stskeeps waits idly for voting token | 13:42 | |
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| jeremiah_ | Pavlov: Ping | 13:45 |
| jeremiah_ | Pavlov: If there is something I can do to get Fennec into maemo, please let me know - I am happy to help | 13:46 |
| * thresh is hilited | 13:46 | |
| * Myrtti thinks there's something very profoundly funny about pinging "Pavlov" | 13:47 | |
| * RST38h does not even know what Synergy is | 13:48 | |
| RST38h | mouse/keyboard sharing thingie? | 13:48 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yepper! | 13:50 |
| RST38h | cool | 13:50 |
| jeremiah_ | Myrtti: woof woof woof! | 13:50 |
| RST38h | Would be interesting to find out oif the keyboard latency bug shows up with synergy as well | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | sure keyboard latency isn't a HIM issue, btw? | 13:51 |
| * RST38h does not know and nokia engineers seem to be elusive about this | 13:51 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure but i think i might see it on i386 too.. | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:51 |
| RST38h | It does appear to happen with both BT and USB keyboards. Not sure about the virtual one because it is so slow to type on anyway | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | well BT and USB goes in through HIM anyway | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lo vdvsx | 13:54 |
| VDVsx | hi Stskeeps | 13:54 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, do you already voted ? hurry up :P | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: voting now :P | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | voted :P | 13:56 |
| Seb | hi fellows | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 13:56 |
| Seb | all i'm getting from the SIP client is "network error" when trying to connect to ekiga.net (other SIP accounts work fine) | 13:56 |
| Seb | can I somehow get a more detailed error from a log file or something ? | 13:57 |
| Seb | so Iget a decent chance at troubleshooting this | 13:57 |
| VDVsx | ohhhhhh, http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/10/caption-contest-cricket-builds-the-worlds-largest-cellphone/ | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, how much latency are you seeing? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: read the Mer article yet? :) | 14:00 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup | 14:00 |
| qgil | dneary: hum, Peter can't select candidates with Firefox in Windows. I have no problems with Epiphany in Ubuntu | 14:00 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, with the ipkg's :) | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah. hmm :P | 14:01 |
| * Stskeeps didn't claim ipkgs anywhere | 14:01 | |
| Jaffa | qgil: I just voted with Firefox 3.0 in Windows | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: from .5s to 2s | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | qgil: It requires JavaScript, so if that's off for whatever reason (e.g. NoScript or Adblock) | 14:02 |
| qgil | I'll ask, thanks Jaffa | 14:03 |
| VDVsx | firefox 3 in ubuntu works fine too | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | silly question, why didn't you just go for text field with number of preference? :P | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | next to every candidate | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | or "priority" | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I guess because then there's a validation framework to write | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | qgil: It worked for me in Firefox 3. | 14:04 |
| lcuk | RST38h, normally or with specific things/ | 14:05 |
| lcuk | i just voted with firefox 1.5 in windows | 14:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: normally although having a lot of ui elements on screen makes it worse | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | of course it does, there is so much bottleneck things get sidetracked, as a test put your cpu into performance and see how much of a difference it makes | 14:07 |
| Seb | so, no chance to get something more detail as far as SIP errors go ? | 14:07 |
| Seb | detailed* | 14:08 |
| lcuk | seb, have you run your sip client from the command line and checked its output | 14:08 |
| Seb | lcuk: it's the default one, i'm not even sure what its name is :\ | 14:08 |
| lcuk | does the domain exist from your tablet | 14:09 |
| Seb | yeah, it definitely does | 14:09 |
| lcuk | how have you confirmed it? | 14:09 |
| Seb | pinging it | 14:10 |
| lcuk | is the tablet the only place you use sip stuff or have you got another machine to test it from | 14:11 |
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| Seb | i have another debian box where it works fine (same ekiga account) | 14:11 |
| Seb | on that machine, ekiga recommends I use an stun server, which I've happily set for my ekiga account on the tablet as well | 14:12 |
| Seb | that stun server does exist too, since another of my SIP accounts use that same one on the table without any problems | 14:12 |
| lcuk | pass then unfortunately | 14:13 |
| VDVsx | by guys and good luck with the voting :), gonna rest a little bit for another round of interviews :P | 14:13 |
| Seb | lcuk: ok | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | interviews? | 14:14 |
| Seb | lcuk: thanks for trying :) | 14:14 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, stranges things happens in my live :P | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay | 14:14 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: it really should not lag though | 14:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not with CPU at 0% load | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, ive always taken it and seen from experience as: if the cpu doesnt think it needs to scale up, then the "normal" drawing operations go much slower and saturate whatever needs saturating | 14:19 |
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| * RST38h remembers trying it at full clock, still lags | 14:20 | |
| RST38h | Try playing a game (there is a space shooter whose name I do not remember) using external keyboard | 14:21 |
| RST38h | You will see how impossible it is | 14:21 |
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| Pavlov | jeremiah_: ok, ill ping you shortly | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, because that's a pain in the ass. | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, "Why can't I put a 2 in this box?" | 14:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, this is the most elegant and pain free implementation of ranking in any web form I've seen yet. | 14:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, maybe Patrik was just confusing the two open source drivers? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 14:31 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, I can't see candidates in Konqueror/4.1.4 | 14:47 |
| sp3000 | Firefox/2.0.0.16, Firefox/3.2a1pre, Opera/9.63 are fine | 14:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Time to get creative: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=271100 | 14:54 |
| sp3000 | oh, looks like I had js disabled in konq for whatever I was testing once upon a time | 14:56 |
| * sp3000 files a bug, the vote ui should warn | 14:56 | |
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| * Jaffa suggested to dneary that the page should include "does not work in IE" and "requires JS" | 14:58 | |
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| dneary | Jaffa: I can include a mention, it'll be a one-time hack. | 15:01 |
| dneary | (or, in fact, could stay there for other elections too) | 15:02 |
| sp3000 | well, usually you remove the js warning using js | 15:02 |
| dneary | sp3000: How does that work if js isn't working? | 15:02 |
| Jaffa | One time hack is fine. Next council election we could start work on a working version earlier | 15:02 |
| sp3000 | dneary: ... | 15:02 |
| sp3000 | it works perfectly, the warning remains in place when appropriate | 15:03 |
| Jaffa | dneary: <iv id ="warning">This page requires JavaScript</div> <script>document.getElementById('warning').style = 'display: none';</script> | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | Or <noscript>This page requires JS</noscript> should work | 15:05 |
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| * sp3000 forgot about <noscript> | 15:06 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles didn't get a token yet. | 15:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, nevermind | 15:10 |
| Macer | blah. i hate waiting on an rma | 15:10 |
| Macer | and i'm still pissed that newegg sent me the wrong damn video card | 15:10 |
| Macer | bastards | 15:10 |
| * sp3000 contemplates venturing outside | 15:11 | |
| * GeneralAntilles voted. | 15:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, where's my sticker? :P | 15:13 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Which sticker? | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe they don't give them out over there, but: http://tigger500.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834a59fa869e2010535d17032970b-800wi | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | Anyone doing exit polling? ;-) | 15:19 |
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| Passeli_ | what is the best way to see how much application is using memory? in maemo + N810 | 15:53 |
| Corsac | top? | 15:54 |
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| wazd | hey hey world) | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, top lies. | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | htop | 15:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sorry for my artwork delay, have too much local work to do( | 15:56 |
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| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: lies? | 15:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, it memory usage numbers are way inflated by shared libs and such. | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | htop is much more "accurate" | 15:57 |
| Corsac | top and htop give exactly the same results here | 15:58 |
| Corsac | well, except that process are there multiple time | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, you're looking at the wrong column then. | 15:58 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: all cols | 15:58 |
| Corsac | rah, and it doesnt let me copy/paste | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Moo! | 15:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: Sorry for delays yesterday, have been busy at work | 15:59 |
| Corsac | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/top.png vs. http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/htop.png | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it's fine | 16:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: hey, I've came up with new icons idea) | 16:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: yes? =) | 16:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0903/db/ba19a9852df4.png | 16:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, icons mimic calculator body) | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: even some preliminary icons would be good, so we can have example interface for 0.10 (for monday) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: ! | 16:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: don't know if it's recognizable enough for TI user, cause I'm not the one) | 16:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm making em right now, don't worry! | 16:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do not think it is recognizable as a calc body but the idea of using simple two colored icons like that is good IMHO | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe ;) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: maybe we should make all the icons like the first one but paint them in different colors? | 16:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: good point) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, photos of all models here: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/usinga/mainpic01.jpg | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: Still need TI83+ and TI82 | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: But TI83+ is easy to make by combining TI83 and TI83+SE images (it is black body and the MATRIX key is replaced with the blue APPS key) | 16:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: first one looks like nvidia signs) | 16:05 |
| RST38h | TI82 is somewhat like TI85 but look for yourself | 16:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: Or Intel Inside signs of late | 16:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/simply-nvidia-wallpapers_3866_1152.jpg | 16:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do not think these guys have copyright on the two-colored scheme though :) | 16:06 |
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| wazd | new ipod shuffle is totally ridiculous | 16:09 |
| wazd | I think it was the first device designed with Cook as an Apple CEO | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | heheh | 16:10 |
| jaska | iphone shuffle | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Ear buds are almost larger than the device itself ;) | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | the nvidia wallpaper thing does not load for some reason | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Just move the damn mp3 player to the ear buds and be done with it. | 16:10 |
| wazd | and current "design" reminds me my Titan theme somehow)) | 16:12 |
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| wazd | RST38h: you can't browse enemy images at work :D | 16:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: quite possible =) | 16:14 |
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| * lcuk wants a landscape calculator - since thats how device sits most of the time | 16:15 | |
| wazd | Photoshop CS4 rocks | 16:15 |
| wazd | But I just understood how harmful can be even tiny changes in UI for pros | 16:16 |
| zeptar | good morning | 16:16 |
| wazd | zeptar: hello | 16:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: TI92 emulator is your friend :) | 16:16 |
| zeptar | thanks to alterego for helping me with my ssh problem | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: We really need a text based graphics manipulation program with command line based interface ;) | 16:16 |
| zeptar | does SSL have anything to do with SSH ? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | they both start with SS | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:17 |
| AStorm | SSH uses SSL. Other than that, no. | 16:17 |
| zenvoid | RST38h: it is called imagemagick | 16:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, pics? | 16:17 |
| zeptar | oh ok cause elpollo said to reinstall ssl but i just reinstalled ssh a couple of times and it fixed itself | 16:17 |
| lcuk | and RST38h text based manipulation can be done technically with python and cairo | 16:17 |
| AStorm | well, not even really SSL, blah, I failed | 16:17 |
| AStorm | "technically" | 16:18 |
| AStorm | I recommend pango instead of cairo | 16:18 |
| lcuk | ok but principle is there, new python script load images in it, manipulate, save | 16:18 |
| ElPollo | Lol.. I did not mean for you to reinstall SSL, but rather to recreate your keys. :P | 16:18 |
| zeptar | how is the progress on making themes for Maemo coming along? | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | theme designer is on its way | 16:18 |
| lcuk | by the way, is the iphone "themable" | 16:18 |
| lcuk | or is it one interface multiple apps | 16:19 |
| zeptar | cool lcuk, i'd relly like to see more themes, i do like the default one though | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | zenvoid: imagemagick does not have enough functions | 16:20 |
| zenvoid | what funnctions do you need? | 16:20 |
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| zeptar | ElPollo: oh, thanks for the advice. do you think i should still regenerate those ssl keys? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | same as photoshop | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo zenvoid | 16:21 |
| zenvoid | RST38h: don't know photoshop, but it can handle most operations that gimp has | 16:22 |
| zenvoid | RST38h: and even more than gimp, sometimes I use imagemagick because a filter that gimp lacks | 16:23 |
| ElPollo | zeptar: If you SSH problem is solved, don't touch it any further. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. ;) One of those SSH reinstalls probably did that for you. | 16:23 |
| zeptar | yeah it was just really wierd elpollo, it was working in the day, then evening time it wouldn't let me login, now i'm using ssh keys which i should have been doing before | 16:24 |
| zenvoid | RST38h: though I hate the interface of imagemagick... I wish all the operations ported to gimp some day | 16:24 |
| * Stskeeps waits for newer gtk to build on mer-lenny | 16:25 | |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hello, I'm having some trouble with the new theme layout... | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, join the club | 16:26 |
| zenvoid | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png | 16:26 |
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| zenvoid | why does the home bar resurrected???? | 16:26 |
| zenvoid | at least a fragment of it... | 16:26 |
| zenvoid | don't know | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:27 |
| zeptar | hey is there anyway to bookmark what page you are on in a pdf in maemo 2008? | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: it doesn't die when you remove the hildon-home area stuff? | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | in .. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:28 |
| zeptar | because right now what i do is open up sketch and make a quick note on what page i'm on to ensure i don't forget | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: grab me a screenshot of how it looks atm and i might be able to tell you :) | 16:29 |
| wazd | don't compare gimp and ps please :) | 16:29 |
| wazd | gimp is not bad but... :) | 16:29 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I don't know what I've done to resurrect it... | 16:30 |
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| zenvoid | the screenshot: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm blind, been a way too long day :P | 16:31 |
| zenvoid | it is just a fragment of the home titlebar | 16:31 |
| * RST38h has not found how to draw shapes in gimp | 16:32 | |
| zenvoid | and a black background below the marque that I don't know where it cames from | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-theme-layout-4ex/annotate/head%3A/rc//hildonhome.rc <- is this gone? | 16:32 |
| zenvoid | wazd: I has comparing gimp and imagemagick, not gimp and photoshop ;-) | 16:33 |
| zeptar | i don't like how gimp buts a yellow textbox around text, it messes with the design because its not there in the final image | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably just a lost 80 vs 52px option in the code | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: s/gone/commented/ | 16:33 |
| zenvoid | hmmm... it was, but let me see... | 16:35 |
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| zenvoid | SHIT | 16:38 |
| zenvoid | no it wasn't :P | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah, well, that might help it then | 16:38 |
| zenvoid | thanks :D | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, thanks to you too really :P | 16:38 |
| zenvoid | ???????? | 16:39 |
| zenvoid | now I'm confused again... | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | (read: as in, you actually got the background of the statusbar working.) | 16:39 |
| zenvoid | it is not commented because it is not included | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:39 |
| zenvoid | I've excluded the file from the Makefile.am | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | sure it doesn't end up merged anyway? | 16:40 |
| zenvoid | not sure... I will verify | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | (and remembered to rebuild the theme?) | 16:41 |
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| rmt_ | Ok .. I'm about to order the N810 .. if anybody has some information that would make me regret it in the next month, let me know now please. :-) | 16:42 |
| till__ | only one mini-sd slot | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | rmt_: excepting the fact there'll probably be no more Maemo updates, from Nokia for the N810, but we do have a entire new and exciting OS in the brewer, and the GPS tends to suck, and only one mini-sd slot, no :P | 16:43 |
| zenvoid | hahaha XD | 16:43 |
| rmt_ | A new OS means nothing without the hardware to run it on. | 16:43 |
| zenvoid | the GPS takes forever to sync | 16:43 |
| rmt_ | What's forever? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | we're not sure we'll live to see it sync.. :P | 16:44 |
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| zenvoid | sometimes I'm unable to get it work during the whole day | 16:44 |
| thresh | mine doesnt work i think | 16:44 |
| thresh | or it's common? :) | 16:45 |
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| till__ | are you moving while waiting for the fix? | 16:45 |
| thresh | not me | 16:45 |
| zenvoid | *if* it is a clear day and *if* there are no interferences and *if* you are not in a zone with tall buildings, it *may* work | 16:45 |
| till__ | the gps in my n82 need much more time if i'm moving | 16:46 |
| zeptar | zenvoid install A-GPS it helps the gps get a signal based on your wifi connection too | 16:46 |
| tank-man | didnt agps make it quicker to get a signal? | 16:46 |
| zeptar | i think it helps it get a signal fasster | 16:46 |
| glass | agps helps a lot | 16:46 |
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| thresh | somehow doesnt work here | 16:46 |
| rmt_ | One post says that it's quite good, just slow to get the initial fix.. AGPS should improve it, I imagine. | 16:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: why marquee is 52px high btw? | 16:47 |
| zenvoid | yes, the initial fix is the problem | 16:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: maemo has 50px I thought | 16:47 |
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| zeptar | also use Maemo Mapper for maps | 16:47 |
| zeptar | it remembers where you were last time, it might help a bit | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: allows us to use 48x48 icons | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'm not sure what the reason is, but 52 seems like a nice number | 16:47 |
| rmt_ | So, given the available options today, the N810 is a reasonable purchase? | 16:48 |
| zeptar | i ditched the origional map program | 16:48 |
| zeptar | the maps took up the whole 2 GB internal | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: also your ui mockups are 52 i think | 16:48 |
| rmt_ | N810 + 8GB minisd (micro, actually.. I have an adapter here somewhere) | 16:48 |
| till__ | i put the maps on the memory card | 16:48 |
| rmt_ | And a leather case for it.. | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: when working with it it doesn't seem cramped and seems touchable, at least | 16:49 |
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| rmt_ | I have an awful habit of putting devices in my pockets along with keys.. so N810 + leather case + 8GB Sandisk (4) | 16:49 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ok) | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | rmt_: you -really- want to grab a boxwave screen protector asap | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | it did wonders for my n800 | 16:50 |
| rmt_ | Stskeeps, Still relevant with a case? How does it affect sunlight readability? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | rmt_: n810 screen is better in sunlight at least | 16:50 |
| till__ | i've got one for my n800 too | 16:50 |
| * Jaffa 's N810's GPS is much better with AGPS now, and as long as I want a fix a while after realising I want one | 16:50 | |
| Stskeeps | and my screen protector actually improves my readability | 16:51 |
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| zenvoid | Jaffa: does agps require a full stablished wifi connection to work? | 16:54 |
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| Jaffa | zenvoid: you have to have had a data connection within 30 minutes | 16:55 |
| Khertna | Hello ! | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | It downloads all the satellite positions | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | lo Khertna | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | lo Khertna | 16:55 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: and I was thinking of making (x) button same size as (mer) | 16:55 |
| wazd | 86 | 16:55 |
| zenvoid | Jaffa: ah, ok... hmmm... probably won't work for me, it is almost impossible to find open wifi spots in madrid | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | not even FON? | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | or is that just a myth? :P | 16:56 |
| * Khertan see that stskeeps doesn't speel his name correctly ... and after just see that khertan was the dumb | 16:56 | |
| Khertan | :) | 16:56 |
| zenvoid | no | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it will be at least 52 and the remainder of the rest, at least | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | we can probably adjust it to be at least 86 but let's see how a 48x48 looks in it | 16:57 |
| Khertan | someone know how to unlock the nit keyboard with vnc ? | 16:57 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: The only one place with an open wifi connection that I know is the "Biblioteca Nacional" (the national library) | 16:57 |
| zenvoid | ... and you have to enter inside the building | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/screenshot1.png , our work in progress btw | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | (from theme point of view) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: i wonder what causes the nm-applet problem | 16:58 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: also bout applet/program icon, Why 42, not 40? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i guess estimation from your task_man_3items | 17:01 |
| luke-jr | wazd: because 42 is the Answer, obviously | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: in either case the icons will be 32x32 or 48x48, and the buttons we can always change | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | cos it's in the code | 17:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, CS4 got rid of cmd-h. :( | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Voyage 200 | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised nobody's sent out any questions for the candidates yet. | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | meh, as long as we get qole elected.. | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:04 |
| * Khertan is a bit busy this days | 17:05 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ? | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, arent we all | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, landscape calculator. | 17:06 |
| Khertan | 'lu lcuk | 17:06 |
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| Khertan | so noone know if there is any fkey of some other shortcut that can unlock screen and key by vnc ? | 17:07 |
| Khertan | i ve found f11 to lock it | 17:07 |
| lcuk | ive got the osso one that i use when needed, but i was thinking about rsts super cool ti engine with a custom frontend | 17:07 |
| lcuk | ouch Khertan never tried to lock NIT with vnc | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder what the "success" rate is for people who say they're leaving communities. | 17:07 |
| Khertan | this is the problem ... i don't want to lock it :) | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It generally seems really low. | 17:07 |
| Khertan | but unlock it :) | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | can you ssh into it? | 17:08 |
| wazd_pc | god fucking damned | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 17:08 |
| lcuk | bbiab anyway | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_pc: [16:01] <Stskeeps> wazd: in either case the icons will be 32x32 or 48x48, and the buttons we can always change | 17:09 |
| wazd_pc | Seems like I'm living in the center of fucking zimbabwe | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | [16:01] <Stskeeps> cos it's in the code | 17:09 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, +1 for qole comment | 17:09 |
| Khertan | 16:09Stskeeps[16:01] <Stskeeps> cos it's in the code | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nice, XO-2 might use ARM. | 17:09 |
| Khertan | XO ? | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno why Windows should be a requirement on the damn thing | 17:09 |
| Khertan | the toy for MIT Guy ? | 17:09 |
| aquatix | one-laptop-per-child | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/12/olpc-eyes-arm-processors-for-the-xo-2/ | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i really wonder why they didn't go for that before. power usage is a huge issue in developing countries. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than because Microsoft is giving them massive bacon kickbacks. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, because they're stupid, I guess. | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i would really go for selling Touch Book in developing countries instead really :P | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, and ARM wasn't what it is today 3-4 years ago. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Real official ARM support in the major distros is fairly recent, so. . . . | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | true | 17:11 |
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| Khertan | what i don't understand is why they do a such thing with their os ... if they want to teach thing why not give a real linux distribution | 17:11 |
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| Khertan | but this is my point of view | 17:14 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, because they're silly people. | 17:14 |
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| rmt_ | Ok .. I have placed the order.. | 17:15 |
| Khertan | ?0 | 17:16 |
| rmt_ | Stskeeps, Isn't the XO-2 meant to be a touchbook? | 17:16 |
| Khertan | oh ... election open ! | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | rmt_: http://i.gizmodo.com/5162584/first-hands-on-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet | 17:16 |
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| rmt_ | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-2 | 17:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, vote for meeeee. :P | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | That touchscreen is just silly. | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna work great when it's filled with sand | 17:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What they need to do is get Panasonic's Toughbook division to help them build a laptop. | 17:20 |
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| rmt_ | Most reports are that the XO 1 is pretty robust.. don't expect anything less from 2. | 17:20 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: do you have do something for mer ? | 17:20 |
| rmt_ | I actually would much rather something like that for an ebook reader than an eInk display.. | 17:21 |
| Khertan | or are you doing something in Mer | 17:21 |
| Corsac | what's the problem with the touchscreen? | 17:21 |
| Khertan | or do you plan to do it ? | 17:21 |
| Khertan | Corsac: doesn't enter in my pant pocket :) | 17:21 |
| RST38h | back | 17:22 |
| Corsac | well, I guess not many laptops do? :) | 17:22 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: as if you are doing something or code something for Mer i ll not vote for you :) as anyway in take you time and slowing the dev of Mer ! (of course i'm joking) | 17:22 |
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| Khertan | s/in/it ll | 17:23 |
| Khertan | s/you/your | 17:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:23 |
| * Jaffa won't pander to get votes: I did some work on Mer and I'm proud :-) | 17:23 | |
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| rmt_ | What are the binary kernel modules for the N810? Or do we have all the source? | 17:24 |
| Khertan | héhé | 17:24 |
| Khertan | rmt_: of course no ! we don't have source ... nit is done by nokia ... so nit is EVIL ! | 17:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:25 |
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| * Khertan should stop drinking coffe | 17:25 | |
| Khertan | e | 17:25 |
| rmt_ | Binary modules for the 802.11 ? | 17:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I play sometimes PR man and advocate for Mer. :P | 17:27 |
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| zenvoid | Khertan: after nokia called their release "diablo" (spanish word for "devil") I thought to fork it with a name of "santo" (saint) :D | 17:28 |
| Khertan | zenvoid: :) héhé one point | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | rmt_: if i remember well the source is available now | 17:29 |
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| rmt_ | Excellent. | 17:31 |
| thresh | this reminds me i havent watched latest futurama yet | 17:31 |
| rmt_ | Okay.. so I will install gcc + vala on it, when I get it. | 17:31 |
| rmt_ | May have to do some hacking to the get right vapi files for the versions, though. | 17:31 |
| rmt_ | I really like vala. :) | 17:32 |
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| AndrewFBlack | get ready for this thread http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27465 to get stupid really fast lol | 17:32 |
| AndrewFBlack | I bet there will be some crasy suggestions | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, FIOS sucks. :P | 17:33 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol yeah but its the fastest on the list | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also, I'd roll over at *0 instead of *1. | 17:33 |
| AndrewFBlack | ahh make them earn the next rank | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my cable is only 20/2, but at least it doesn't get killed every 15 minutes to keep you from running a server like FiOS's 20/20. | 17:34 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50-249, 250-499, etc. | 17:35 |
| AndrewFBlack | come on make them post once more post and really earn the rank :) | 17:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to know how versatile vBulletin's ranking system is, actually. | 17:36 |
| AndrewFBlack | btw who do I need to kill to make someone fix garage karma for me | 17:36 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: its rather versatile | 17:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, well, maybe if you line up a bunch of Nokians in front of X-Fade and do them in one-by-one it'll help | 17:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | just be sure not to kill X-Fade. :P | 17:37 |
| AndrewFBlack | you know reggie has a test forum setup I used to use for building minimalist theme if you want in to play around in backend | 17:37 |
| AndrewFBlack | once I start don't know if I can stop | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you know if it can do custom titles after a certain post count? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Kill the rest of Garage users and your karma will be fixed | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The AmbrosiaSW forums lets you choose your own title string after 1000 posts. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | that's known as cruel and unusual punishment | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/lets/let/ | 17:38 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: The AmbrosiaSW forums let you choose your own title string after 1000 posts. | 17:38 |
| AndrewFBlack | you can set it to allow members custom titles not sure on the set after certain post counts | 17:38 |
| Khertan | AmbrosiaSW ? an Escape Velocity fan ? | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I played my youth away on EV. | 17:38 |
| Khertan | héhé ;) so i m not the only one , | 17:38 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:38 |
| Khertan | today ... i ve only one game on my computer :) | 17:39 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: looking now to see if I can allow custom on post count | 17:39 |
| Khertan | and the only game i ever bought ev nova | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Python? | 17:39 |
| Khertan | RST38h: true .... i ve forgotten the game python ;) | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Avara, Ares, Mars Rising, Harry, Bubble Trouble, Barrack, Apeiron, Chiral, Maelstrom, Cythera, Ferazel, EVO, EVN, etc, etc ,etc. ;) | 17:39 |
| Khertan | and ev first edition on my mac IIsi :) | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I <3 Ambrosia SW | 17:40 |
| Khertan | only EV,EVO,EVN :) | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Avara and Ares are the ones I miss most, I think. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 17:40 |
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| Khertan | avara was a sort of mecha warrior game ? | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, yeah. | 17:41 |
| Khertan | bug don't remember ares | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | With really awesome physics. | 17:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: yes you can allow custom title after a certain post count just need to create custom user group first and allow that user group to set there own then make a user rank that puts you in that group once you reach that post level | 17:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There was an ice cub map where you could launch ice cubes into other players to kill them. | 17:41 |
| Khertan | remember now ... this have never well work on my IIsi ;) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | This looks like some relatively recent Elite clone | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, that sounds nice. Go propose it in the thread. ;) | 17:41 |
| Khertan | RST38h: not really recent :) | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, not really. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the whole untextured polygons thing. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Elite clone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oolite_(computer_game) | 17:43 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: suggested btw just make me a forums admin on talk.maemo.org and I'll set it up for you :) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | General: =) | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, talk to Reggie. ;) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Something like this needs to be on the tablet =) | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet I could talk the devs into it. | 17:44 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: Reggie doesn't return my PMs anymore | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, the goal of that thread is to reduce the appearance of it as a "rating" system (Junior, Senior, etc.) and make it a simple indicator of post count. | 17:45 |
| RST38h | General: By all means try! | 17:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles: BTW you can use images like a badge instead of words in Vbulletin | 17:46 |
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| Myrtti | ew. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, maybe just a box for every 250 posts? | 17:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | a little photo of tablet | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 0-249 == 1 box, 250-499 == 2 boxes, etc. | 17:47 |
| AndrewFBlack | that would work | 17:47 |
| * Myrtti is thinking about the wasted bandwidth on mobile dialup | 17:47 | |
| AndrewFBlack | have 5 boxes and just shade one in each level | 17:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, on little multi-byte GIFs? | 17:48 |
| AndrewFBlack | that image would be about 5kb if that | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/style_images/1/pip.gif | 17:48 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: EEEEEVVRY byte is saaacred, evvry byte is great, if a byte is wasted, god get quite irate! | 17:49 |
| * Khertan is listening http://www.deezer.com/track/5003 | 17:49 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, maybe if we make little pink kittens for your account? :P | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | I don't think I even have an account on the forums, idk | 17:50 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: but this isn't really usefull | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, nothing is useful. It's all pointless. :P | 17:50 |
| AndrewFBlack | I don't know GeneralAntilles 125 bytes is a lot of wasted bandwidth :) | 17:50 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: right ... just point of view | 17:50 |
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| Khertan | lol | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, but, yes, you're right, it's completely pointless. | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pointless, stupid fun, but some people get a kick out of it. ;) | 17:51 |
| * AndrewFBlack is driving his post count up by suggestion ideas for ranks | 17:51 | |
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| fred23 | Hi everybody ! I'm stuck and maybe someone here can help me out. | 17:54 |
| fred23 | I've installed scratchbox with the recent cs2007q3 toolchain. I'm building a DEBUG version of fennec for CHINOOK-ARMEL-2007 target. | 17:54 |
| fred23 | There's something very strange about the way AR packs the output .so libs... | 17:54 |
| fred23 | Using 'nm' on the nokia N810, I cannot see the debug symbols (it says "File Format not recognized"), WHILE I can perfectly see them from inside scratchbox!... | 17:54 |
| fred23 | The libs stay 'not-stripped' in the packaging process, so it should be ok... | 17:54 |
| fred23 | Any hint ? | 17:54 |
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| lardman | re | 17:57 |
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| fred23 | Hi everybody ! I'm stuck and maybe someone here can help me out. | 18:03 |
| fred23 | I've installed scratchbox with the recent cs2007q3 toolchain. I'm building a DEBUG version of fennec for CHINOOK-ARMEL-2007 target. | 18:03 |
| fred23 | There's something very strange about the way AR packs the output .so libs... | 18:03 |
| fred23 | Using 'nm' on the nokia N810, I cannot see the debug symbols (it says "File Format not recognized"), WHILE I can perfectly see them from inside scratchbox!... | 18:03 |
| fred23 | The libs stay 'not-stripped' in the packaging process, so it should be ok... | 18:03 |
| fred23 | Any hint ? | 18:03 |
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| lardman | fred23: I guess you're pinning all your hopes on t_s_o's answering your question? | 18:08 |
| t_s_o | do not get me mixed up in this :P | 18:09 |
| lardman | lol | 18:09 |
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| fred23 | lardman: lol | 18:10 |
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| lardman | fred23: what about objdump? | 18:12 |
| fred23 | lardman: sorry, I'll be back (on the phone) | 18:13 |
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| lardman | np | 18:13 |
| rm_you | mmm, voting season :P | 18:13 |
| lcuk | you cant vote, you havent been active :P | 18:13 |
| rm_you | piff | 18:14 |
| rm_you | i suppose I'll try again at submitting ABL to the autobuilder | 18:14 |
| rm_you | maybe it won't randomly break this time :P | 18:14 |
| lardman | X-Fade: is this the issue you and GeneralAntilles were talking about, or something else? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | lardman, what do you plan on doing with the extra time you will have noww | 18:15 |
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| lardman | lcuk: eating more bacon, and perhaps actually doing some programming rather than thinking about it all the time | 18:15 |
| lcuk | excellent, finding new ways to skip out on blog postings mustv been hard work | 18:15 |
| lcuk | perhaps you should go out wit ha bang and actually make a posting :D | 18:16 |
| lardman | sure was, though it was more the guilt eating away at me that was problematic | 18:16 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, the issue is specific to Fennec. | 18:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: nah, I might get co-opted or something, at least this way they don't think I can blog at all | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No, not that I know. I think it is just that it doesn't like rm_you ;) | 18:16 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: I meant fred23's issue actually :) | 18:17 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ok | 18:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:17 |
| lcuk | lol yeah, best not to let them think you are superblogger | 18:17 |
| rm_you | i need it to let me build armel only, no x86 >_> | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | Set your arch to be armel in debian/control | 18:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah right! ;) | 18:18 |
| rm_you | k | 18:18 |
| fred23 | ok guys.. sorry, I was on the phone. | 18:18 |
| fred23 | GeneralAntilles: you think the issue is specific to Fennec ? | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | fred23: Are you sure you aren't looking at the i386 version inside scratchbox? | 18:18 |
| * lcuk had bad bacon the other night | 18:19 | |
| lcuk | i couldnt finish it | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | fred23: you are already using the cs2007 version, so no problems there. | 18:19 |
| fred23 | mhh... I'm in scratchbox, I've selected my ARMEL-2007 target, and I'm using 'nm' from there... | 18:19 |
| lardman | 2007...? | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Scroll up ;) | 18:19 |
| fred23 | if I type 'which ar' from my scratchbox logged-in ARMEL target, it says /scratchbox/compilers/bin/ar | 18:20 |
| lardman | ah ok, not the Maemo target year then | 18:20 |
| lcuk | to scroll all the way back to 2007 will take a massive buffer! | 18:20 |
| rm_you | lol someone mentioned maemo-barcode O_o | 18:20 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/0eb8fdfeedec11ddb28e1b3c4d7b308a308a/ | 18:20 |
| rm_you | has anyone touched that in months? >_> | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: You really have been away for a while, have you ;) | 18:21 |
| lardman | rm_you: no worries, I'm hacking away at it | 18:21 |
| rm_you | i guess <_< | 18:21 |
| rm_you | nice | 18:21 |
| rm_you | glad someone picked it up | 18:21 |
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| rm_you | yeah I wish I could be around more :/ | 18:21 |
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| rm_you | most of my activity is basically limited to... summer. | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Someone even wants to do a google summer of code project for it. | 18:22 |
| johnx_ | hi rm_you | 18:22 |
| rm_you | and major breaks | 18:22 |
| rm_you | sup johnx :P | 18:22 |
| lardman | rm_you: hibernation? ;) | 18:22 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: nice :P | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx_ | 18:22 |
| rm_you | lardman: my teachers trying to murder me | 18:22 |
| johnx_ | hey, just stopping through between work and bed O_o; | 18:22 |
| rm_you | I have to lie low | 18:22 |
| lardman | rm_you: hard to type when running I'm sure :) | 18:22 |
| rm_you | actually | 18:22 |
| johnx_ | my life is far more interesting than I want it to be recently ... | 18:22 |
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| johnx_ | rm_you, if someone tries to kill you, you try and kill them right back :) | 18:23 |
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| rm_you | I made a recommendation for an independent study type seminar class, wherein students would pick a favorite or interesting piece of open source software and learn to apply patches, triage bugs, work in a community, maintain an existing codebase, use popular build tools, etc | 18:23 |
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| rm_you | I am secretly hoping I can get people to pick maemo projects :P | 18:24 |
| VDVsx | lardman, pm ? | 18:24 |
| johnx_ | rm_you, that's terrifyingly progressive for comp sci :P | 18:24 |
| lardman | VDVsx: go for it | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: major highlights are mer lwn article and freerunner distributor guy coming by and we might get a freerunner and a next-ver board to play with | 18:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:25 |
| fireun | ah, I remember the years where the undergraduate CS project was to write an IRC client | 18:25 |
| rm_you | lardman: so how is development going on barcode? | 18:25 |
| rm_you | i still show the old version to people periodically... | 18:25 |
| rm_you | had a new use-case idea for it too | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | read dvd barcode in shop, torrent it with open wifi as you walk home? | 18:26 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, madness! as for me, I might have to put zaurus work on hold until I have time to either fix mine or money to buy a new one :( | 18:26 |
| lardman | rm_you: has been slow, but got something that is mainly working now | 18:26 |
| rm_you | lol Stskeeps | 18:27 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, cool :) | 18:27 |
| lardman | rm_you: added in db functionality, multiple tables, etc. Still need to do the webscraping code (or encourage others to help!) | 18:27 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, actually, most stuff I'm looking at will be on hold for a while as I get ready to move back to the US... | 18:27 |
| rm_you | lardman: if i have any time at all, that is what i was planning on doing in the first place for the project. i believe i had started something with libcurl... | 18:27 |
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| rm_you | lardman: i'm generally fairly decent at webscraping :P | 18:28 |
| rm_you | johnx_: your Z break? | 18:28 |
| lardman | I've been doing all this in a branch here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode | 18:28 |
| lardman | rm_you: take a look, the hooks are there and pretty much ready | 18:29 |
| johnx_ | yeah, got caught out in the rain with it in a backpack pocket and now it won't charge the battery past 2.8v and it suspends randomly :( | 18:29 |
| lardman | slightly out of date binary (but shows main idea) here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ | 18:29 |
| rm_you | anyway, I was thinking, someone tells you to go buy a bunch of stuff thats really generic, like... bagels / sour cream / polish sausage | 18:29 |
| lardman | needs libsqlite and libdtmx (both in extras) | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: yeah, .. i should be able to do a lot in next sprint | 18:29 |
| rm_you | you put those in a list, scan the thing in the store, it does a regex match on the product name and if it is close enough it is like "yes! buy this!" | 18:30 |
| lardman | VDVsx: sorry my client seems to be playing up and won't allow PMs | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | gf going back to berlin so | 18:30 |
| rm_you | this idea after talking to someone who told their husband to go buy bagels 3 days in a row and every day he came back with some sort of random other bread product :P | 18:30 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I feel bad not being involved right now, but real life is demanding most of my waking hours and some of my should-be-sleeping hours :/ | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: no worries | 18:30 |
| lardman | rm_you: lol | 18:30 |
| VDVsx | lardman, np, I will send you a mail | 18:31 |
| lardman | ok | 18:31 |
| rm_you | lardman: so you got libdtmx working nicely? | 18:31 |
| lardman | actually hang on a tick and I'll restart it | 18:31 |
| lardman | rm_you: repeat that in a tick | 18:31 |
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| johnx_ | alright, need to catch some sleep | 18:32 |
| johnx_ | 'night all | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 18:32 |
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| lardman | re | 18:32 |
| lardman | VDVsx: try now | 18:32 |
| rm_you | lardman: so you got libdtmx working nicely? | 18:32 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes it works, I think, but is veeeerrrryyyy slow | 18:32 |
| rm_you | yeah it is kinda... | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | zeptar: still issues? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | er | 18:32 |
| rm_you | it needs to be a click and check | 18:32 |
| rm_you | not a constant scan | 18:32 |
| rm_you | did you switch the interface to click+check? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: still issues? | 18:32 |
| lardman | rm_you: atm I'm looking at 1D mainly, but the dtmx and QR should be in there too | 18:33 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: new ones :) | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, like what? | 18:33 |
| rm_you | lardman: yeah... what did you decide on for QR? are you going to try to port/compile that objective C code that i checked in? | 18:33 |
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| rm_you | from the iphone project? | 18:33 |
| lardman | rm_you: atm I do 1D while the user has pressed a scan button, until it finds something or the user gets bored and tells it to stop | 18:33 |
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| rm_you | lol | 18:33 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps, here are the packages http://zenvoid.org/tmp/mer-new-layout/ | 18:33 |
| rm_you | i might be tempted to make it camera-click | 18:34 |
| lardman | rm_you: was going to then pass data to libdtmx, but it just stops the whole show, so probably need either a guess fn to work out what type of code we have or to do that in its own thread | 18:34 |
| rm_you | is the dtmx an option in the UI somehow or does it autocheck or do you need to change the code to do them | 18:34 |
| rm_you | ah yeah i was saying that one option would be to check against the 1d algorithm because that is fairly quick then check the other two in succession, which works if it's a one-click-check | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: alright, and we solved home area? | 18:35 |
| rm_you | but it is kinda slow... | 18:35 |
| lardman | rm_you: I've commented out the code to use it atm, if you uncomment it tried 1D, then dtmx | 18:35 |
| rm_you | you can pull out the checks for the guardbars, then the checks for the corner squares... | 18:35 |
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| rm_you | and only run those checks first, then pass to the appropriate function | 18:35 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: sorry for the liberty-mer theme name, rename them to whatever name do you want, my inspiration is not great today... | 18:35 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 18:36 |
| lardman | rm_you: exactly, that would be ideal | 18:36 |
| rm_you | so it doesnt have to try to interpret every single bar + a checksum every time | 18:36 |
| lardman | rm_you: it's what zebra crossing does | 18:36 |
| rm_you | yeah, not sure how easy that will be to actually DO though :P | 18:36 |
| rm_you | is that the one in Obj C? | 18:36 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps, yes there was an "include hildonhome.rc" that I've missed | 18:36 |
| lardman | rm_you: Java | 18:37 |
| StsN800 | zenvoid, is layout based on the one in mer repo btw? | 18:37 |
| rm_you | ohwtf | 18:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:37 |
| lardman | yeah :) | 18:37 |
| rm_you | well, I can figure out Java way better than Obj C :P | 18:37 |
| rm_you | *THAT* i might have the ability to port | 18:37 |
| rm_you | sadly enough 95% of my coding has been done in Java >_> | 18:37 |
| rm_you | and like 4% Python, 1% C | 18:38 |
| lardman | lol | 18:38 |
| lardman | well take a look, at least at the structure | 18:38 |
| lardman | http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ | 18:38 |
| rm_you | so that's why i seem terrible with C fyi :P it really isn't a reflection on my actual programming abilities, I promise :P | 18:38 |
| lardman | certainly their idea of an initial check is worth doing | 18:38 |
| lardman | rotfl | 18:38 |
| zenvoid | StsN800: it is based on 4ex, just added marque_background, removed some other pngs to make room in the template, and got rid of hildonhome | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 18:38 |
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| rm_you | lardman: so you just branched? | 18:39 |
| rm_you | looks like all the code in trunk is the old stuff | 18:39 |
| rm_you | except for the QR | 18:39 |
| rm_you | i guess someone is working on that? | 18:39 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: there is a black "thing" behind the marquee | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i might have the solution for that | 18:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes, I didn't want to step on toes or break the test codes | 18:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: derf wrote the new QR code | 18:40 |
| rm_you | AH | 18:40 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: this new marquee_backgound is partially transparent, it should show the wallpaper | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 18:40 |
| zenvoid | but it is black instead because of the black widget | 18:41 |
| lardman | rm_you: plus my code was just work in progress, I was hacking about with it, until fairly recently (and even now there are some issues) | 18:41 |
| rm_you | wow this web code is done... what's the word.... PROPERLY? :P | 18:41 |
| rm_you | with libconic support? :P | 18:41 |
| rm_you | that's random :P | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: code element in http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout might do the trick | 18:41 |
| rm_you | wow yeah this framework is nice, i will take a look at this if i have time | 18:42 |
| lardman | rm_you: where's that? Mine, not sure it even works, no need for it yet ;) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: good job though :) | 18:42 |
| rm_you | i looked briefly at scraping amazon... might look at the google barcode reader to see what they scrape | 18:42 |
| rm_you | lardman: looking at the web.c in your branch :P | 18:43 |
| rm_you | it prolly doesnt work yet | 18:43 |
| rm_you | but the framework looks much nicer than what i was doing :P lol | 18:43 |
| lardman | scraping Amazon is easy for ISBNs, just parsing the html to do, which I was going to try next week | 18:43 |
| lardman | I wrote most of it without running anything, I wanted a fairly decent framework | 18:43 |
| rm_you | yeah it does look that way, but i'd say you did a good job at accomplishing your goal :) | 18:44 |
| rm_you | strcpy? >_> | 18:44 |
| * rm_you looks at definition of variables | 18:44 | |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 18:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:45 |
| lardman | rm_you: yeah probably some awkwardness with some of the types | 18:45 |
| rm_you | ~pong | 18:45 |
| infobot | ~ping | 18:45 |
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| lardman | I should also add I learned GTK+ and SQLite along the way, so there are probably some bits of bad form in there | 18:46 |
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| lardman | s/some/lots and lots ;) | 18:46 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:46 |
| rm_you | well, brb, shower O_o | 18:46 |
| lardman | ok, might be heading home but will catch you later | 18:46 |
| rm_you | k | 18:47 |
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| jeremiah | Has anyone used libx11-dev? I see that maemo/nokia has changed the name, but I don't know what package it is in now. | 18:48 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: template.svg has many unused things, and the size and coordinates of elements should be changed, that's the reason for gliches in the icons | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yep, we'll look into it i guess | 18:50 |
| zenvoid | marquee elements and old panel has different dimmensions | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, it's in the sdk repo for diablo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libx11/ | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: 1. Thanks for the link. 2. Thanks for the script. | 18:51 |
| timelE61i | hello world | 18:51 |
| jeremiah | I downloaded the script but have not tested it yet | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: uploading to repo | 18:51 |
| jeremiah | hi timeless, how are you? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, :) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | hey timeless | 18:51 |
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| derf | lardman: I know _some_ amount of GTK, though I have stayed the gekk away from tree-views. | 18:52 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: (?) are you sure? it is not much usable currently | 18:52 |
| timelE61i | Jeremiah, still waiting for help | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yeah, so i can start testing it too, since we have different theme names, it doesn't matter that we just upload it :) | 18:52 |
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| zenvoid | ah, ok | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, I realized in the other day, that I was seated next to you in fosdem, but I didn't know who you are at this time :) ehehe | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: Really? | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | Where were we? | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | In the debian room? | 18:53 |
| VDVsx | yes | 18:54 |
| VDVsx | you are announcing, aren't you ? | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Was that you on my left? The guy who knew a lot about everything? | 18:54 |
| Pavlov | jeremiah: hey.. | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I announced the second half of Saturday. | 18:54 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah, nah | 18:54 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | VDVsx: You seemed pretty knowledgeable to me. :) | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Hey Pavlov! | 18:55 |
| jeremiah | How goes things? | 18:55 |
| Pavlov | good -- tired :) | 18:55 |
| jeremiah | ah, well those damn bells always ringing, no wonder. | 18:55 |
| timelE61i | Jeremiah: pavlov and i just finished camping :) | 18:56 |
| jeremiah | timelE61i: Really? In the Finnish winter? | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, so I was thinking about tracking tasks for packaging help. How evil would it be to do so in Bugzilla? | 18:56 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, we camp indoors :) | 18:57 |
| Myrtti | woof. | 18:57 |
| timelE61i | Gan: sounds good to me :) | 18:57 |
| Pavlov | i prefer california winters | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki is just massive overhead and a goddamn pain in the ass. | 18:57 |
| jeremiah | Indoor camping. I love that. Used to do a lot of it when I was in New York City. | 18:57 |
| timelE61i | heh | 18:57 |
| * Myrtti goes to make a quilt fortress | 18:58 | |
| timelE61i | I remember visiting nyc for weekends | 18:58 |
| jeremiah | debconf10 is going to be in NYC - hope to see everyone there! | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's perfect convertible weather down here. | 18:58 |
| timelE61i | I'd stay over w/ people after attending a conf on friday | 18:58 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: I started an RGBlanket a couple days ago :P | 18:58 |
| lardman | jeremiah: when is it? | 18:58 |
| timelE61i | s/friday/a Friday/ | 18:58 |
| jeremiah | 2010 summer | 18:58 |
| infobot | timelE61i meant: I'd stay over w/ people after attending a conf on a Friday | 18:59 |
| jeremiah | timelE61i: Did you live in the States for a while? | 18:59 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: linky? | 18:59 |
| timelE61i | until i moved here 3yrs ago... | 18:59 |
| Myrtti | I'm knitting a laptop sleeve myself... of pink unspun... | 18:59 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: http://images4cf.ravelry.com/uploads/magicfest2/6517416/8715-3_medium.png | 18:59 |
| rm_you | well thats the yarn | 18:59 |
| jeremiah | omigawd! You're a new yawker! | 18:59 |
| rm_you | all Malabrigo | 18:59 |
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| Myrtti | ooh, nommy | 18:59 |
| Pavlov | jeremiah: so, x-fade and i were discussing trying to get the fennec beta on to extras.. | 19:00 |
| Pavlov | basically, we'd like to push a signed binary package up | 19:00 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: it isn't really a pattern, just an idea i had :P | 19:00 |
| Pavlov | we'd be happy to also put a source package up, except we don't actually have a source package | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, rm_you, by the way. :) | 19:01 |
| Myrtti | I just realised I might have to knit something with http://www.physics.utah.edu/~cassiday/p1080/lec06_files/image002.jpg as the pattern | 19:01 |
| rm_you | two skeins of each color, started with the R, then tie on the G and then the B :P | 19:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol hey | 19:01 |
| Pavlov | we'd like it to be in free, because well, it is free | 19:01 |
| Pavlov | but it sounds like the free stuff isn't set up to take signed debs | 19:01 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: i'm not good enough to do much else yet <_< like i said last time, i'm still mastering the knit one row, purl one row concept :P lol | 19:01 |
| Pavlov | the auto-build stuff won't work because we need cs2007q3 to compile, and we'd really prefer to push debs that we've actually tested | 19:02 |
| Myrtti | hehe, rm_you, it's a start :-) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: ok, in repo | 19:02 |
| rm_you | well, project page: http://www.ravelry.com/projects/magicfest2/rgblanket | 19:02 |
| jeremiah | Pavlov: Sounds good | 19:02 |
| Pavlov | jeremiah: yeah, i mean, it should be fine. problem is there is no way to push a signed deb to free | 19:03 |
| jeremiah | Pavlov: Always nice to have source, but hey, Iunderstand. | 19:03 |
| jeremiah | Pavlov: Well, if you give me a URL I can scp it over. | 19:03 |
| Pavlov | OK! | 19:03 |
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| Pavlov | we're respinning for a flash crash right now and doing some more testing, but will be pushing live.. uh, sometime soon | 19:03 |
| jeremiah | Pavlov: Very cool. | 19:03 |
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| jeremiah | I'll be around pretty much whenever. I am trying to get synergy into the repos | 19:04 |
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| Myrtti | hehe, I've been mentioned in Ravelry/FOSDEM thread :-D | 19:04 |
| Myrtti | lol | 19:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Would a "Packaging" product under Extras work? | 19:05 |
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| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: What do you mean? | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, to track packaging tasks in Bugzilla. | 19:06 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, actually I think that would be good. | 19:06 |
| jeremiah | In debian you can add a wishlist bug | 19:06 |
| jeremiah | which is nice to have | 19:06 |
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| rm_you | Myrtti: where is that? :P | 19:06 |
| Myrtti | I love these Mozilla Firefox wrist bands ♥ lovely to use as hairbobs | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: http://www.ravelry.com/discuss/linux-knitters--crocheters/504873/1-25#2 | 19:07 |
| rm_you | If i ever get over to FI with my GF we can all have a knitting party :P | 19:07 |
| rm_you | ah yeah i'm in that group | 19:08 |
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| rm_you | oh right i was going to go take a shower like 30 mins ago <_< brb | 19:09 |
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| Myrtti | and I need food | 19:10 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, is jaiku back yet | 19:12 |
| fireun | food needs you | 19:12 |
| Myrtti | no | 19:12 |
| lcuk | thats a bit bob, i wonder what miracles the google app server will bring, and i wonder if they are doing it as customers of google now | 19:12 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: they promised that it'll be back after 24h | 19:15 |
| Myrtti | so that's... | 19:15 |
| Myrtti | 5h more | 19:15 |
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| vlad_ | anyone have any thoughts as to why I can't seem to handle SIGILL with a custom signal handler? it always gets delivered and kills my process | 19:17 |
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| vlad_ | oddly, it seems to be related to libc and/or ld.so version.. a -static build works fine | 19:17 |
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| murrayc | vlad_: Does it work outside of Maemo? | 19:18 |
| murrayc | vlad_: Maybe something else is catching it. | 19:18 |
| vlad_ | well.. additional oddness is that with an identical qemu, things work fine in my generic ubuntu armv7 scratchbox, but not in my maemo scratchbox | 19:19 |
| vlad_ | but yeah, something else could be catching it, though I have no idea what -- I'm just working with a simple test program atm | 19:19 |
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| timeless | so... | 19:32 |
| timeless | how much electioneering has there been? :) | 19:32 |
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| lardman | bbl | 19:33 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: Vote for meeee! | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles was buying votes by disowning mer earlier ;-) | 19:33 |
| Khertan | jaffa ... nope ... you have some thing to do on mer | 19:33 |
| Khertan | and to finish | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | Ah. I "did" HAM, and the website. | 19:34 |
| marissa | hi | 19:34 |
| * Jaffa is buying votes by not disowning mer, then | 19:34 | |
| Khertan | yep ... but there is so many other things to do ... that you can't lost your time in the maemo council ... | 19:34 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:35 |
| Khertan | of course i'm joking | 19:35 |
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| marissa | ;-) i am new to the chat place | 19:36 |
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| cmug | so has anybody done anything with fremantle yet that they could demo? | 19:36 |
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| lbt | hi marissa | 19:37 |
| marissa | hi | 19:37 |
| marissa | thank you | 19:37 |
| lbt | you have an N800 or N810? | 19:37 |
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| marissa | N810 | 19:37 |
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| lbt | cool | 19:38 |
| lbt | like it? | 19:38 |
| marissa | well just getting the hang of things | 19:38 |
| lbt | this place is usually much rowdier... and pretty friendly too! | 19:38 |
| marissa | cool | 19:38 |
| marissa | what are the topics? | 19:39 |
| Khertan | cmug by done you mean just to see what it look like ? if i remember there is somewhere something about gpodder | 19:39 |
| lbt | have you seen https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 19:39 |
| marissa | no | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, does a "Packaging" product under Extras seem reasonable for tracking jeremiah's packaging tasks? | 19:39 |
| cmug | khertan, yeah some kind of feature demo | 19:39 |
| lbt | this place we focus on the community side of the tablets | 19:40 |
| rm_you | lol, GA disowning Mer? pft | 19:40 |
| marissa | tablets | 19:40 |
| RST38h | marissa: current topic is elections | 19:40 |
| RST38h | marissa: what topic are you interested in anyway? | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I dun want kno ess tee dees. | 19:40 |
| RST38h | rm_me! | 19:41 |
| Khertan | cmug > i ven't see more than that | 19:41 |
| cmug | sorry if ki miss spelled your name my irssi theme sucks on this terminal. yellow on white | 19:41 |
| cmug | -k, stupid e75 keyb | 19:41 |
| lbt | cmug: you should kick my real keyb - it's gone all Yankee on me! | 19:41 |
| Khertan | try mibbit.org on an nit on 3g network | 19:42 |
| cmug | khermel, ok. i'll look at that | 19:42 |
| Khertan | not so much better :) | 19:42 |
| cmug | stop highlighting me :D | 19:42 |
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| Khertan | héhé | 19:42 |
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| lbt | cmug: why? | 19:42 |
| cmug | mibbit.org not responding | 19:42 |
| Khertan | mibbit.com :) | 19:43 |
| Khertan | sorry | 19:43 |
| cmug | lhc, I can't read your name | 19:43 |
| Khertan | cmug: you | 19:43 |
| Khertan | cmug: don't | 19:43 |
| Khertan | cmug: like | 19:43 |
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| cmug | khertan, :D | 19:43 |
| Khertan | cmug: highlight ? | 19:43 |
| Khertan | ok | 19:43 |
| cmug | let me disable highlight somehow | 19:43 |
| lbt | Khertan: I think cmug means mentioning his nick | 19:43 |
| cmug | or the words beer, titties,spirits | 19:44 |
| Khertan | lbt: yep i ve understand ... as cmug have some strange color setting | 19:44 |
| Khertan | s | 19:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:44 |
| Khertan | maybe we should stop :) | 19:44 |
| cmug | it might be ok now | 19:44 |
| rm_you | no beer!? | 19:44 |
| * rm_you kries | 19:44 | |
| lbt | OK, I won't say cmug if you don't | 19:45 |
| cmug | but I can talk to you better if I know who I am talking to | 19:45 |
| cmug | ok looks like default the is no good | 19:45 |
| lbt | bbl | 19:45 |
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| * Myrtti uses irssi proxy with proper irc client meant for mobile phones, if she wants to irc from her phone | 19:46 | |
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| cmug | try now | 19:46 |
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| * RST38h 's phone comes with a netbook-sized qwerty keyboard | 19:46 | |
| cmug | myrtti, proxies dont give you backlog | 19:47 |
| * rm_you 's phone comes with no internet :P | 19:47 | |
| * Khertan phone isp block everything encapsulated in http and every other protocols that http and https | 19:47 | |
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| Myrtti | cmug: awayproxy gives you awaylog | 19:48 |
| Myrtti | bah | 19:48 |
| Myrtti | awayproxy gives you awaylog | 19:48 |
| cmug | myrtti, cool. didn't know of taht | 19:48 |
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| Myrtti | though, it has its limitations | 19:48 |
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| cmug | actually i cant use irssi proxy :( | 19:49 |
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| cmug | i buy irssi as a service, i bet they dont allow it | 19:49 |
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| cmug | they do offer bnc etc though | 19:50 |
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| marissa | hi what is the topic usually hear?:) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | marissa: it ranges, but it's often tablet community related, or bacon, really | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:52 |
| Myrtti | oh for gods sake, epiphany doesn't remember my wiki password | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick! | 19:53 |
| cmug | acon and beer, mmm | 19:53 |
| * Myrtti hits it with a stick, goes to have a sneak peak at Firefoxs' password manager | 19:53 | |
| cmug | acon with a b as in beer | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | bacon is not a topic | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | why? | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | It's a way of life for lcuk :) | 20:09 |
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| * lcuk curses the day he had bad bacon | 20:12 | |
| qwerty12 | Damn, I'm a spaz. Need to learn the difference between ifeq and ifneq >.< | 20:13 |
| cmug | i love bacon | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | "ifeq" is that something from father ted? | 20:14 |
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| lardman | interesting http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | No, Makefiles. (Although Father Ted is jokes) | 20:17 |
| lardman | I wonder if Nokia would provide server resources for Maemo apps? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, Sony Ericsson have similar with "TrackID" | 20:18 |
| lardman | Things like webscraping would be better done on a fast server than a slow 3G connection | 20:18 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: looks cool, I wonder if it could be replicated | 20:19 |
| * lardman fires up MATLAB | 20:19 | |
| fireun | oooh, fancy | 20:19 |
| sp3000 | lardman, how people manage to refer to that paper without giggling is another thing | 20:19 |
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| lardman | sp3000: I've not read all of it yet, but I guess it doesn't give all the secrets away? | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | sp3000, http://www.beerorkid.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/525puzd.jpg | 20:20 |
| fireun | it amazes me that there can be so many patents on audio fingerprinting | 20:20 |
| sp3000 | lardman, hah, I'm just referring to the wang-shazam part | 20:21 |
| derf | lardman: By the way, I did some quick testing, and on the zxing test set, my code decodes 25% more codes correctly than zxing itself does. | 20:21 |
| lardman | derf: good stuff :) | 20:21 |
| lcuk | lardman, biggest problem with audio fingerprinting is that so many songs are composed of pieces and notes and chords and blocks and samples of other music the false positives are quite extreme | 20:22 |
| lardman | sp3000: ah right, yeah made me smile | 20:22 |
| derf | On my full dataset it's over 40% more. | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | fireun, well, everything is patented :) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | whoa | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | no wonder my last.fm was laggy | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | my tablet was actually on my 3g mobile O_o | 20:22 |
| lardman | lcuk: even narrowing down to 10 possibles would be good, then link to those 10 so you can listen and see if it matches, etc | 20:22 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 20:22 |
| * Myrtti has forgotten to pay her last.fm subscription | 20:22 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm considering to sign up for it | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | so when it finds a recording of me singing in the shower it will match with cat wailing, dying hippo etc | 20:23 |
| Myrtti | I like it more than spotify no matter what | 20:23 |
| lardman | probably all three overlaid ;) | 20:23 |
| cmug | about connectivit with n810, does it support connection pools and does it actually work? | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | What are connection pools? :-) | 20:24 |
| lcuk | OI! | 20:24 |
| lardman | :p | 20:24 |
| lardman | :D | 20:25 |
| * lardman is happy to have stumbled upon that paper, and noticed a whole new area of algorithmic stuff to look at | 20:26 | |
| lardman | and all from an Apple iPhone advert, they have their uses :) | 20:26 |
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| fireun | Stskeeps: that could get to be an expensive radio | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: yeah, but i do have sane data plan | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | still, ouch | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
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| lardman | hmm, lots of techniques, and a few open-source providers too | 20:49 |
| lardman | would be cool in a Maemo app | 20:49 |
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| lardman | for choosing similiar songs from the ones you already have, suggesting new ones to try and also working out what you've just heard | 20:50 |
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| joyrider | is it possible to mount a smb share inside the scratchbox environment ? | 20:53 |
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| mgedmin | it's definitely possible to do that if you do it from outside the scratchbox environment | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | lardman, sounds good - would this kind of lookup be possible to use with the mafw eventually | 20:59 |
| lcuk | hiya marius | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | hoy | 21:00 |
| RST38h | "Personnel under the influence of SCP-323 experience overwhelming urges to howl and to forcibly remove their lower jaw. Since incident NCan-I26, all personnel entering the room have been outfitted with a jaw-locking mechanism" | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, are these things real or just onionish things | 21:03 |
| lardman | lcuk: mafw? | 21:03 |
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| zenvoid | does anyone know what is libiphb library? and is it proprietary by nokia? | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/885/368/mafw-maemo-fremantle-draft.pdf | 21:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: What do you think? =) | 21:03 |
| lardman | ah ok, midas? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: nokia-binaries it seems | 21:04 |
| lardman | no idea, would be good if something like this could plug in though | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, maemo.org? | 21:04 |
| lardman | ? | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, for server space? | 21:04 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: :( | 21:04 |
| lcuk | lardman, its the generic system interface to the media player | 21:04 |
| * RST38h hehes at yet another media framework | 21:04 | |
| lardman | ah, not space per se, processing | 21:04 |
| lardman | lcuk: yep | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, whatever it is, anyway. :P | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Although this one is basically a way to add plugins to Osso Media Player, so it is relatively harmless | 21:05 |
| florian | re | 21:05 |
| lcuk | so if it could support it then "helloworld.mediaplayer.c" could include it | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade first, then tekojo if more is needed. | 21:05 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes, will have to see how much bandwidth could be saved | 21:05 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: will do, cheers | 21:05 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the current libhildondesktop from fremantle depends on it :( | 21:06 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: is the package available somewhere? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: make a bug report :/ newest libhildondesktop from fremantle uses clutter extensively etc. package is availiable in fremantle SDK, through adding nokia-binaries token repository | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i updated debian-lenny gtk to the newest gtk btw | 21:08 |
| zenvoid | i was trying to build it on top of Mer to test the new UI | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug, it definately shouldn't be like this | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | cos that makes it rather impossible even if we did have OMAP2 MBX drivers, to run hildon desktop | 21:09 |
| zenvoid | clutter can be built with mesagl libraries, though I guess it will be slow (lcuk, did you tried it with mesa?) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | dunno what backend it all used | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i just grabbed clutter for my ubuntu install and played | 21:10 |
| lcuk | isnt mbx on omap2 like a deus ex machina? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but then again it has probably taken ungodly long time to get there.. | 21:11 |
| lcuk | well, sorry on our omap2 | 21:11 |
| zenvoid | the poor 770 will have some problems with Clutter :) | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | zenvoid, the 770 will have problems with more than Clutter. ;) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | surprisingly, its not a slouch in the 2d graphics department though | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/will have/has/ | 21:13 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: zenvoid, the 770 has problems with more than Clutter. ;) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i really want one to see whether i can get liqbase running on it | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the LCD controller interface just isn't broken. | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That doesn't make it particularly fast with 2d. | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | what kind of framerate can it pull then for videos? | 21:14 |
| zenvoid | I've been looking at the new UI, the window manager is now inside the hildon-desktop package, based on matchbox but is now a different thing | 21:14 |
| lcuk | do they jerk or can it play them at 25fps | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: matchbox2 | 21:15 |
| zenvoid | matchbox-window-manager-2 creates only the libraries (libmatchbox) | 21:15 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you will know | 21:15 |
| Myrtti | huh? | 21:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's CPU-bound. | 21:16 |
| lcuk | can you play movies with your 770 | 21:16 |
| lcuk | so is the 810# | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It certainly can't decode full resolution. | 21:16 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: haven't tried, I've got a pesky memcard and haven't managed to get nfs mounts to work | 21:17 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, liqbase doesnt do much video decoding, most operations have cpu time to spare | 21:17 |
| zenvoid | now I wonder, if the window manager is replaced with another (our current matchbox1), will the desktop still work? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | those that dont have a slower framerate | 21:18 |
| zenvoid | the desktop has the background and applets | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: you should look into how seperated hildon-home is from hildon-desktop | 21:18 |
| zenvoid | I'll look, but I'll need the libipbh library first | 21:19 |
| zenvoid | I tried to lauch openbox as the window manager in the old hildondestop and the panels are not conformant to the freedesktop standard... | 21:20 |
| zenvoid | so no much hope here, but anyways... | 21:20 |
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| zenvoid | also noticed that GTK apps do not work well when hildon-desktop is not running, probably because of the modified GPL libs | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | we use same GTK as them btw | 21:22 |
| zenvoid | s/GPL/GTK/ | 21:22 |
| infobot | zenvoid meant: also noticed that GTK apps do not work well when hildon-desktop is not running, probably because of the modified GTK libs | 21:22 |
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| zenvoid | yes, I know, if you run an openbox session in Mer, and the run leafpad, input does not seem to work | 21:23 |
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| zenvoid | I think it is because the hildon input method is required | 21:24 |
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| zenvoid | I somewhat dislike those non-standard changes in hildon apps... | 21:25 |
| zenvoid | apps broke when used in a standard desktop | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, HIM is a problem, i agree | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can disable it in /etc/gtk+2.0/ somewhere | 21:26 |
| zenvoid | just hope the new one is better | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | it should just disable itself when HIM isn't connectable | 21:26 |
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| zenvoid | yes it should. Do I make another bug report? :) | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | give them some time, because we aren't using fremantle HIM, only HIMF atm | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | as we don't get their thumb keyboard yet | 21:28 |
| zenvoid | ok | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | file it as a mer bug | 21:28 |
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| cmug | ShadowJK, i mean that you can define "Internet" and into the conn pool you can put WLAN and GPRS with different priorities | 22:11 |
| cmug | hilighting is allowed again btw | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | It let's you pick between no autoconnect, wlan autoconnect, phone autoconnect, wlan&phone autoconnect | 22:13 |
| cmug | and it works properly? | 22:13 |
| cmug | if you have an idle 3g connection open, will it switch to wlan? | 22:13 |
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| ShadowJK | I think it only ever switches if it finds itself without connectivity | 22:14 |
| cmug | ok | 22:14 |
| ||cw | bt has a tendancy to disconnect when idle though, at least with my phone | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i've had it discover my wlan while on phone though | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | ||cw, stays connected almost forever for me | 22:16 |
| ||cw | I have att and LG shine, it disconnects after about 30 seconds idle.... I haven't looked to see if it's a phone setting though | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | Mine sits idle for days as long as bluetooth doesn't break :) | 22:18 |
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| fauxmight | Anyone know where to find the cx3110 patched for usability with wpa_supp.? Google's not being friendly, today. | 22:43 |
| fauxmight | (for diablo) | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | fauxmight: there's one in mer at least | 22:45 |
| fauxmight | Stskeeps: thanks. Does wpa_supp + patched cx3110 in Mer eat more battery than maemo with icd? | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, free 1.6GHz G5. | 22:57 |
| fauxmight | Do tell. | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | fauxmight: i suspect wpa_supplicant doesn't do the power saving measures like ICD does | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're kidding about "No Thanks!", right? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's going to descend into chaos _very_ quickly. | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i occasionally wouldn't mind a "No Thanks" button :P | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, really, that's what moderators are for. | 23:07 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles im serious | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to disagree with a post, hit the reply button. | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:07 |
| lcuk | no1 ever moderates and nothing is ever offtopic | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But a No Thanks button wouldn't be motivated by positive things. | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there will be more moderators with Talk. | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not necessarily pro a Mer forum until we start getting users using it day to day btw | 23:08 |
| lcuk | the wording might be wrong, butthe intent is there - its exactly the same as the thumbs down | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | "GTFO this post is shit" | 23:08 |
| lcuk | and isnt that exactly what moderators are gonna have to press anyway? | 23:09 |
| * thopiekar voted for MCC | 23:09 | |
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| lcuk | having only a few selected milk monitors is a bit elitist and exclusionary anyway | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | who are the mods anyway? | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's up to Reggie, mostly. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | none at the mo | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's how forums work. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i might be new to linux but im not new to the internet | 23:10 |
| lcuk | well, technically linux aint new | 23:11 |
| lcuk | we have thumbs up and down on the planet to indicate what we like and dont like | 23:11 |
| lcuk | and gan, lots and lots of community forums have both up and down mods | 23:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hiya again ! | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, time to swap out machines. | 23:14 |
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| thopiekar | hi Khertan_n810 :) | 23:16 |
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| Myrtti | WORK! | 23:17 |
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| GAN800 | Ew . . . 10.3 | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:22 |
| * GAN800 tries to find a Leopard disk. | 23:22 | |
| cmug | I'm looking for the same thing | 23:23 |
| * RST38h wonders if he can claim airplane tickets as expense on the tax form | 23:23 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, depends if it was an expense or not | 23:24 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Well, I had business to do there, I have business to do here | 23:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So it is formally a business expense | 23:24 |
| lcuk | then its not deducted on your personal taxes | 23:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: How so? | 23:25 |
| lcuk | your company should have sorted it | 23:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I am my own company every now and then | 23:25 |
| lcuk | then you should file your company taxes every now and then then | 23:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: mm, it is a bit different in the US | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: you *can* be an individual and still have business expenses | 23:26 |
| lcuk | it might be different over here lol | 23:26 |
| lcuk | yeah but you claim back from your company | 23:27 |
| RST38h | I can't | 23:27 |
| lcuk | unless you work for the gov :d | 23:27 |
| RST38h | I can't ask UMD.EDU to pay for my tickets :) | 23:27 |
| RST38h | That would be way too much to ask. But I can probably write them off as expense | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | dunno | 23:28 |
| RST38h | All comes down to finding an accountant to do it for me then =( | 23:28 |
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| b-man | hello | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | good evening b-man | 23:35 |
| b-man | hello lcuk :) | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey b-man | 23:36 |
| cmug | How much space does the maemo fremantle environment require? | 23:36 |
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| b-man | hi qwerty12_N800 :) | 23:36 |
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| lbt | heh lcuk I forgot about your mouseEvent question on itt - sorry | 23:38 |
| lbt | I was just going through my issues list and seeing if I'd missed any gripes | 23:38 |
| lcuk | lbt, dont worry :D i waffle about lots of things | 23:38 |
| lbt | lets take a look after I get my next release out | 23:38 |
| * Myrtti prods Jaiku with a stick | 23:39 | |
| lbt | I did some debug stuff which may hel | 23:39 |
| lbt | p | 23:39 |
| lcuk | its just something i have to keep my eye on, im actually suffering from it myself in the new system | 23:39 |
| lbt | new? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | i had a load of fixes in the old framework to account for it | 23:39 |
| lcuk | yeah, the library rebuild | 23:39 |
| lbt | gotcha | 23:39 |
| lcuk | zooming fancy pants version | 23:39 |
| lcuk | "now with color!" | 23:40 |
| lbt | yeah - I hold a history of lastEvent type thing | 23:40 |
| lbt | <grin> | 23:40 |
| lcuk | you said, and a 0.1second thing | 23:40 |
| lcuk | it doesnt always work cos people pause | 23:40 |
| derf | RST38h: Yes, you should be able to claim airfare on your Schedule C. | 23:40 |
| lbt | yes | 23:40 |
| derf | But I wouldn't get tax advice from IRC if I were you. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i did it based on distance as well | 23:40 |
| lbt | what's the difference between a stroke and a gesture? | 23:41 |
| lbt | A: nothing | 23:41 |
| lbt | but | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | a gesture is a stroke you use to trigger some other interaction | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but normally with gestures you have to hold back performing intermediate mousing events | 23:41 |
| lbt | I meant from a physical finger-on-glass PoV | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ie no drawing or scrolling etc | 23:41 |
| lbt | *I* think... | 23:42 |
| lbt | that a gesture is like a pen stroke | 23:42 |
| lcuk | there isnt a difference, in liqbase on mousedown i create a stroke object and build it up for the duration of the stroke | 23:42 |
| lbt | you move, lower to the glass, raise | 23:42 |
| lcuk | i dont have gestures so much | 23:42 |
| lbt | a scroll stroke OTOH | 23:42 |
| lcuk | its just how the widget responds to the stroke | 23:42 |
| lbt | you touch and *then* start to move | 23:42 |
| lbt | yes, yes | 23:43 |
| lcuk | not always | 23:43 |
| lcuk | you hit the ground running sometimes | 23:43 |
| lbt | and that's my problem | 23:43 |
| lbt | I support both stroke and gesture | 23:43 |
| lcuk | what actions are you trying to share | 23:43 |
| lbt | using 2 mechanisms | 23:43 |
| lcuk | what gestures do you have? | 23:43 |
| lbt | finger scrolling the paper | 23:44 |
| lbt | and scribbling a widget | 23:44 |
| lbt | so my only solution right now | 23:44 |
| lcuk | so, what - up and down is a scroll motion, and side to side is a completion indicator for item | 23:44 |
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| * lcuk does something similar | 23:44 | |
| lbt | no, the gesture recogniser is fully defineable | 23:44 |
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| lbt | so "l r " | 23:44 |
| lbt | is a left right movement | 23:45 |
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| lbt | "u d r" | 23:45 |
| lcuk | realistically with your app you only need side to side - "l r" | 23:45 |
| lbt | is a letter L | 23:45 |
| lbt | true | 23:45 |
| lbt | but I wrote a full-on one :) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | up down is for scrolling | 23:45 |
| joyrider | djeez finally managed to get my windows share to show up in the scratchbox environement | 23:45 |
| lcuk | only start doing it when you have > about 5-10 pixels | 23:45 |
| lbt | it can do handwriting in theory | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | but in practic that complicates your app cos you have to try to work out what the mouse is doing instead of instincively and decisively knowing | 23:46 |
| lbt | err, yes, I noticed! | 23:46 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:46 |
| lbt | anyhow, back to bugs... I need Shopper 0.5.6 and then I can do Mer/Qt/Shopper | 23:47 |
| lbt | BTW has tracy got the randr kernel? | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | shes got a beer in her hand | 23:47 |
| lcuk | *alcopop | 23:47 |
| lcuk | ill find out later | 23:48 |
| lbt | that's about the right mood | 23:48 |
| lcuk | i think it has actually | 23:48 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation | 23:48 |
| lbt | cool | 23:48 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 23:48 |
| lcuk | ive got it on here | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but no room for qt | 23:48 |
| lbt | ok l8r | 23:48 |
| lcuk | cya | 23:48 |
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| b-man | lcuk: i'm in a really random mood today | 23:57 |
| lcuk | im in a tired mood today | 23:58 |
| GAN800 | lbt, looking at iPhone grocery store apps and getting some UI ideas. | 23:58 |
| GAN800 | Integrating a recipe manager might be good. | 23:59 |
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