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| Khertan_n810 | rah !!! i hate php | 00:03 |
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| VDVsx | me too :P | 00:04 |
| VDVsx | Khertan_n810, switch to Django :P | 00:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t have a hoster which offer python on low hosting price | 00:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | else i will use my own python framework :) | 00:05 |
| VDVsx | I have this problem too :( | 00:05 |
| VDVsx | but I usually hijack my university servers :) | 00:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | look at khertan.net | 00:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is an error 400 on the requested server | 00:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | and there is a try catch ! | 00:07 |
| VDVsx | the warning in the left ? | 00:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 00:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a sadly writted script | 00:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | but something i don t understand is why warning is show on a production server | 00:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think i ve again choose the worst hoster | 00:11 |
| VDVsx | I like your design, very simple :) | 00:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 00:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | on nginx the script doesn t made any problem | 00:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i didn t show warning in the config of nginx on my nit | 00:14 |
| joyrider-- | i've read somewhere that we can't use SDL_flip but i just compiled one of my gp2x games (with a few modifications) for the n810 and it doesn't seem to give a problem. Although the game isn't very demanding | 00:15 |
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| joyrider-- | so should i change it to not use sdl_flip ? | 00:15 |
| joyrider-- | cause it's running without problems as far as i can so | 00:15 |
| joyrider-- | see* | 00:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | rah i still don t understand how to not show this stupid warning | 00:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | grrr | 00:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | RAHHHHH ME WILL KILL THE INVENTOR OF PHP !!!!!! | 00:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok no way to remove warning | 00:28 |
| * Khertan_n810 will rewrite the method | 00:28 | |
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| wladi | hello! | 00:35 |
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| _Brian_ | hi | 00:36 |
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| vincent___ | hi there. somebody could help me with a failing scratchbox install ? | 00:39 |
| vincent___ | 404 on downloading scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007 (arm) | 00:40 |
| anidel | hi bman | 00:40 |
| anidel | you're here ? | 00:40 |
| anidel | I mean, actively :) | 00:40 |
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| wladi | I've a problem...anyone know gpg?? ;) | 00:49 |
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| wladi | i don't use the public keys for encrypt my mesages...and i use this keys in my pc perfectly... | 00:51 |
| wladi | and don't create a key | 00:52 |
| anidel | b-man I just added a post on your thread abour installing Ubuntu on the tablets: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270281&postcount=112 | 00:52 |
| wladi | and don't can** create a key | 00:52 |
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| Khertan_n810 | good night everyone | 00:54 |
| b-man | see ya | 00:55 |
| anidel | g'night Khertan | 00:55 |
| b-man | anidel: yes, you need the deblet bootmenu | 00:56 |
| anidel | how do I install it ? is as simple as apt-get ? | 00:56 |
| b-man | i'll get you a link, hold on | 00:56 |
| anidel | thanks mate | 00:56 |
| b-man | np ^^ | 00:57 |
| b-man | you'll need to add the deblet repo | 00:57 |
| anidel | k | 00:58 |
| anidel | I'll check their homepage | 00:58 |
| b-man | most of the stuff you'll need is here; http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet ;) | 00:58 |
| anidel | the deblet repositories are already in the sources.list you make us edit (btw, you write .lst instead of .list) | 01:01 |
| anidel | I need to install also the "installer" dist ? | 01:02 |
| anidel | sorry the "user" | 01:02 |
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| anidel | how the package's called ? | 01:04 |
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| b-man | anidel: you can get the package directly from here http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/ --sorry for the slow response :( | 01:13 |
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| anidel | I tried to install it (bootmenu 1 5 2) | 01:14 |
| anidel | but complains.. ok :) have dinner | 01:14 |
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| anidel | I think I got it, I'll do tomorrow in the morning.. Thanks :) good night | 01:28 |
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| b-man | i'm back :) | 01:41 |
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| t_s_o | who was it that did the evince port to maemo? | 01:47 |
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| sisto | t_s_o: Ed Bartosh? | 01:51 |
| sisto | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ | 01:51 |
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| t_s_o | i wonder if it would make any sense to poke him about a update... | 01:53 |
| sisto | t_s_o: is it buggy? | 01:54 |
| t_s_o | i ran into a couple of pdfs that shows fine in 2.24, and the osso reader, but that have no text in evince 2.21 | 01:55 |
| t_s_o | still, it could be related to the poppler version used, 0.6.something | 01:55 |
| t_s_o | latest i have installed locally is poppler 0.10 | 01:55 |
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| t_s_o | seems the question had been raised in the download comments, about plans for a update | 01:56 |
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| b-man | ~seen AndrewFBlack | 02:34 |
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| b-man | hm | 02:34 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 02:39 | |
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| ScreamingN800 | Wotcher guyz. Who likes OSX? It's latest stupidity... | 04:12 |
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| ScreamingN800 | ...boils down to "Your car failed to stop. Would you like to force your car to stop?" God YES!!!! | 04:14 |
| ScreamingN800 | "Are you SURE you want your car to stop?" | 04:14 |
| ScreamingN800 | FFS! | 04:15 |
| ScreamingN800 | I really wish programmers(I am one) would think like car makers! | 04:17 |
| ds3 | but that is a Friendly Car ;) | 04:17 |
| ScreamingN800 | A DEAD friendly car? | 04:18 |
| ds3 | friendly cars sell; living ones don't ;) | 04:18 |
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| ScreamingN800 | Aaaaah! I get it. If your car runs off the road they get to sell another. | 04:19 |
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| ds3 | who cares about the pile of dead cars in the ditch... besides, it is good for the economy as tow truck drivers needs to make a living! | 04:20 |
| ScreamingN800 | A living? Was that not a dying? | 04:22 |
| ds3 | for the tow truck driver! | 04:22 |
| ds3 | plus then you also keep food on the table for the worms, for the undertaker, etc. | 04:22 |
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| ScreamingN800 | Sauce for the goose is bread and butter for the gander then. | 04:23 |
| ds3 | :D | 04:23 |
| ScreamingN800 | On topic: Anyone recommend swapping totally from Diablo to mer yet? | 04:25 |
| ScreamingN800 | That's a "No" I guess. Seems too be getting pretty close though My breath is so baited I smell of gorgonzola. | 04:28 |
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| yigal | ooh I'm using my new G1, can't wait to rootit and tether with my n800 | 05:49 |
| Sunnydips | so if i allocate 1gb of my card's space to swap will that be like having 1gb ram? | 05:51 |
| b-man16 | ...kinda | 05:52 |
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| Sunnydips | great! | 05:53 |
| Sunnydips | is there any downside to doing so? | 05:53 |
| yigal | are the speeds comparable - I know even less than you, also swap isn't used for the exact things ram is, usually I'm out of context here | 05:54 |
| yigal | virtual ram disk ok | 05:54 |
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| Sunnydips | hm | 05:55 |
| Sunnydips | idk what u say... lol | 05:55 |
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| Sunnydips | so it helps some process but not all | 05:57 |
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| b-man | i use it to run Gnome in Ubuntu on my tablet - without it, it would be unusable ;) | 05:59 |
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| wladi | hi, anyone can help me?? i have problems with the gpg... | 06:03 |
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| wladi | I can't create a key, and can't encrypt files whit the imports keys | 06:05 |
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| wladi | I have a n810...anyone there?? | 06:08 |
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| bef0rd | I have it too | 06:14 |
| bef0rd | oh, sorry, can't help you there, never used gnupg | 06:14 |
| bef0rd | Hablo español tambien, pero no he usado nunca gnupg :( | 06:15 |
| wladi | thanks, no se como arreglar esto!! | 06:19 |
| wladi | bef0rd: como supiste que hablo español?? tan malo es mi ingles, jejeje | 06:21 |
| bef0rd | no.. bueno, si xD ademas, en el whois sale .cl, chile | 06:21 |
| wladi | jajajajajaja, toda la razon | 06:22 |
| bef0rd | yo he estado trabajando en la traduccion de varios articulos de la wiki en http://wiki.maemo-es.org pero no recuerdo haber hecho nada sobre gpg | 06:25 |
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| torkiano | wladi: Did you try gpg --gen-key ? | 06:26 |
| wladi | yes, and after the passphrase input I get the error message: "gpg: [Internal]:0: invalid algorithm" | 06:28 |
| torkiano | wladi: what strange, maybe a bug? | 06:30 |
| wladi | and when a try whit the import key...the error message is: unusable public key | 06:31 |
| wladi | i don't know...meabe is a bug...:S | 06:33 |
| wladi | but, in the n800 is same | 06:34 |
| wladi | i think...that i'm the problem | 06:35 |
| bef0rd | could you try to generate the key on your computer and import it on the n810? | 06:35 |
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| wladi | yes, but when a try whit the import key...the error message is (for encrypt any file): unusable public key | 06:37 |
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| wladi | but, if I want create a key, only for sing (opcion 2), i haven't problem | 06:41 |
| wladi | i whit the first (for encrypt)...and only whit this opcion i can encrypt files | 06:42 |
| wladi | but i can't!! | 06:42 |
| wladi | jejeje | 06:42 |
| bef0rd | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/34803 | 06:43 |
| wladi | bef0rd: thanks!! | 06:46 |
| bef0rd | although there's no solution there heh, | 06:47 |
| bef0rd | that seems to be your problem, the gnupg package that comes with maemo seems to be limited | 06:47 |
| bef0rd | it only allows signing stuff but not encrypting them | 06:48 |
| wladi | so...i can't encrypt wiht gpg in my n810... | 06:49 |
| bef0rd | I could be wrong | 06:49 |
| bef0rd | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3776&page=2 | 06:52 |
| wladi | thanks, i'm reading this page | 06:54 |
| wladi | I will continue trying...more per read and study | 06:55 |
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| bef0rd | I think it'll only work for signing stuff, there are some apps on garage.maemo.org in the cryptographt section | 06:59 |
| wladi | yes...:( i'm waiting for new version | 07:04 |
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| wladi | thanks, I will see into the cryptographt section | 07:05 |
| bef0rd | yep, I read somewhere that osso-gnupg (stripped down version of gnupg) will be replaced by the real thing | 07:06 |
| wladi | mmm...so the osso-gnupg isn't trustful?? | 07:08 |
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| bef0rd | erm, what do you mean? | 07:16 |
| bef0rd | stripped down version means that it has less features | 07:16 |
| wladi | yes, but if be replaced by the real thing...?? | 07:18 |
| bef0rd | by the full version of gnupg, with all the features.. | 07:18 |
| wladi | ok, understand | 07:19 |
| wladi | fine, then i wait the next version... | 07:20 |
| wladi | thank you!! | 07:21 |
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| lamo | hello, i always forget where is the sources.list stored? | 07:39 |
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| cmug | /etc/apt/ | 07:41 |
| qgil | lamo: for the next time you forget, searching for 'sources.list' in maemo.org or wiki.maemo.org gives you the answer :) | 07:42 |
| lamo | right o but the one in /etc/apt is blank | 07:43 |
| lamo | i want the one the package manager uses | 07:43 |
| qgil | lamo: have you tried searching "hildon application manager sources.list" in maemo.org then? | 07:45 |
| qgil | the first result I get: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/apt-get_vs-hildon-application-manager_in_diablo/ | 07:45 |
| qgil | maybe it's exactly what you're trying to do | 07:45 |
| lamo | i understand its just that the browser on this n810 is way too slow | 07:45 |
| johnx | lamo, ah, well that's a different problem: try the Tear web browser :) | 07:46 |
| qgil | "hildon-application-manager reads a catalogue list out of | 07:46 |
| qgil | /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues (an XML file), and | 07:46 |
| qgil | creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list each | 07:46 |
| qgil | time." | 07:46 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:49 |
| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-382 | 07:49 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 07:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, W. T. F. | 07:51 |
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| RST38h | johnx: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-777 | 08:06 |
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| johnx | s/W/W (Why)/ | 08:06 |
| infobot | johnx meant: RST38h, W (Why). T. F. | 08:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: Should there be a reason for something like this? =) | 08:08 |
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| * johnx shakes his head | 08:09 | |
| inz | 02:18 < CIA-20> Fixes: NB#103954. | 08:15 |
| inz | 02:18 < CIA-20> * matchbox/core/mb-window-manager.c: although any window which | 08:15 |
| inz | 02:18 < CIA-20> has no parents is considered system-modal, this does not include | 08:15 |
| inz | 02:18 < CIA-20> the desktop! | 08:15 |
| inz | sounds like a fun(tm) bug =) | 08:15 |
| johnx | ahaha :D | 08:15 |
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| * RST38h isn't sure desktop should be system moal | 08:34 | |
| RST38h | all kinds of weird behaviour changes may occur | 08:34 |
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| johnx | yes, I think the point of the bug is that it *shouldn't* be considered system modal | 08:35 |
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| johnx | morning StsN801 :) | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, seems like my tablet knows better than me when i'm at work :P | 08:49 |
| johnx | at work early again today? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | fiancée home in the country | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | until sunday so | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | her company has offices nearby mine so | 08:50 |
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| johnx | international moving is expensive :( | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i just wonder how much equipment i have to get rid of if the poland plans goes through | 08:52 |
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| johnx | ugh, for me it would be me trying to convince my wife to get rid of her favorite books: not gonna happen | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | give her a kindle? ;p | 08:53 |
| johnx | terrifyingly kindle DRMed ebooks are marginally more expensive than paperbacks it seems... | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | true | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | but like i have to change my entire home infrastructure when we move as i don't have sane server rooms anymore, heh | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Yesss: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-914 | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Imaging placing your N8x0 into this | 09:01 |
| RST38h | johnx: Torrent. | 09:01 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, your basement, I-have-to-go-outside-and-reboot, "server room" is *sane*? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it's saner than a server-in-my-top-closet | 09:02 |
| RST38h | Sts: where are you moving? | 09:02 |
| johnx | with any luck my next server will be a sheevaplug and my next buildbox will be hundreds of km away | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: possibly poland | 09:08 |
| * RST38h rotfls a bit | 09:09 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: girlfriend and we own an apartment there, so | 09:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: Warsaw? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:10 |
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| RST38h | At least you will be able to track down that insane troll guy and show us the exclusive photos! =) | 09:12 |
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| * johnx thinks a replacement zaurus might be somewhere in his future :/ | 09:15 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, the work psychological environment test is sent out in docx, and hence noone can read it with regular university computers | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | (no 2007 yet, and the filters aren't pervasively installed) | 09:17 |
| johnx | but how does that make you feel? :D | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | i ignore it, unreadable format ;) | 09:18 |
| * johnx is really liking even the "intermediate" panels-on-top in h-d on the zaurus | 09:19 | |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | oh, the new UI stuff? | 09:19 |
| johnx | yeah, but it's kind of halfway if you pull from the repository | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | did you apt-get install marquee-plugins? | 09:20 |
| johnx | nope :) | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | well it helps. | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:20 |
| hahlo | Stskeeps: does mer make device hotter than diablo? feels warmer | 09:20 |
| johnx | been too busy trying to chase down this random suspend problem my zaurus is having | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | if it's hildon-desktop-env that pulls in theme and layout and such, drag in marquee-plugins in too | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: version? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: and potentially since it scans .. | 09:20 |
| johnx | ah, will do | 09:20 |
| hahlo | latest ok | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: well, it's probably wifi related.. networkmanager is fairly interesting when it comes to power saving | 09:21 |
| hahlo | ok | 09:22 |
| hahlo | but it doesn't melt :) no? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | There is -no- warranty. This may blow up your MMC, steal your wife or cause doomsday to come around. But if you find some bugs, please report them on bugs.maemo.org and we'll try to see what we can do to fix the bug causing it. | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | honestly though, report a bug and state the issue and so on so we can keep track of it :) | 09:24 |
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| hahlo | ok i try | 09:25 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders to get some more coffee | 09:30 | |
| Stskeeps | ~seen wzd | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen wazd | 09:31 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'wzd', Stskeeps | 09:32 |
| infobot | wazd <n=az@gwh-1-22-val21.ln.rinet.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 14h 26m 52s ago, saying: 'RST38h, yes :)'. | 09:32 |
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| johnx | heh...installed marquee-plugins. That certainly made the topbar thicker :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm not sure why | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | (i had it working in my original patch) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | any reactions on the magic X? | 09:33 |
| johnx | somewhat hard to hit with thumbs on the zaurus, but otherwise. definitely workable | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | it should be as wide as the app icon | 09:35 |
| johnx | ah, I should say the 'x' in the dropdown list is hard to hit | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:35 |
| johnx | it's easy to get the menu but kind of a pain to actually kill an app | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | well we can look into that i guess | 09:35 |
| liri | there are open positions for Nokia's Maemo team -> http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, a fair bit | 09:35 |
| johnx | always a a tough balance to make it easy to kill an app, but not *too* easy :) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | liri: i'd probably apply but i need to finish my masters degree first :) | 09:37 |
| johnx | those are all a little over my head :) | 09:37 |
| johnx | need any mid-level sys admins? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | hm, Maemo Update | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: maybe if the X was bigger ? | 09:39 |
| johnx | yeah, that'd do it | 09:39 |
| johnx | I'm still deciding if one click to close an app is best, or if two clicks is ok | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, definately not any more accidential closures | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | and there's a fast app switcher at hand | 09:40 |
| johnx | except when switching... | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | there is already really - minimize | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, this current implementation is up for discussion :) | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | if we don't provoke people a little they won't engage :> | 09:41 |
| johnx | I think a vote might be the right venue, with exactly two choices: x in the top right of the panel or x in the fast app switcher dropdown | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 09:42 |
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| johnx | eep! xchat: 16MB RES on startup | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, the new layout helps on 640x? | 09:49 |
| johnx | yeah. I still have two bars but it's lots better | 09:49 |
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| johnx | now if my zaurus would stop randomly suspending ... | 09:49 |
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| johnx | what is xchat linked against to make it 25MB RES... | 09:50 |
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| johnx | heh...now I need to figure out why the zaurus keymap is messed up | 09:52 |
| johnx | wheee | 09:52 |
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| johnx | well, it's settled down at 21MB RES or *1/3 of the RAM* | 09:53 |
| johnx | not very background friendly | 09:54 |
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| * Stskeeps still ponders wtf to do with his two disk arrays when moving | 10:00 | |
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| liri | Stskeeps: apply apply... I'm sure you'll do wonders :) | 10:00 |
| johnx | you moving by car? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:00 |
| johnx | not so bad then | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: problem isn't so much the transporting, the problem is how to integrate it into the apartment and avoid having it on all the time :P | 10:01 |
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| johnx | yeah, suppose so. small apartment? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not a place where you can put my server at least | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | but not a small-ish apartment | 10:02 |
| johnx | is your server a rackmount or something? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | nah, more like noisy | 10:03 |
| johnx | ah. there's always that | 10:03 |
| johnx | I'm really looking forward to something fanless I must say | 10:03 |
| murrayc | I am eager to have an Atom-based fanless server, but they don't seem quite widespread enough yet. | 10:08 |
| johnx | ARM is where it's at :) | 10:08 |
| johnx | off to work! | 10:10 |
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| qgil | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/developer-ports-frets-on-fire-to-maemo-5.ars | 10:21 |
| gomiam | btw, I keep wondering... will Fremantle work on N8xx? | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | gomiam: not with an officially supported version, but Mer will hopefully fill that void, and provide Fremantle APIs | 10:24 |
| gomiam | oh | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | and if Nokia actually succeeds in getting OMAP2 MBX drivers, we might actually get some of the UI too | 10:24 |
| gomiam | does Mer provide multitouch to N8xx? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, as far as i know Fremantle doesn't have multitouch :P | 10:25 |
| gomiam | Stskeeps: oh. I don't understand, then how anybody will be able to play Frets on Fire on Maemo :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | on Maemo5 on beagleboard or on RX-51 probably. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | in this example it was in SDK i think | 10:26 |
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| gomiam | oh, ok, thanks :) | 10:29 |
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| florian | good morning | 10:50 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | morning X-Fade | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. USB charging possibility | 10:59 |
| * Stskeeps would love that. | 10:59 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Very likely for RX-51. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Most phone makers have now signed an agreement to introduce that. | 11:01 |
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| * RST38h moos | 11:07 | |
| * timelE61i chuckles | 11:07 | |
| timelE61i | nokia devies had already been using usb charging | 11:07 |
| timelE61i | s/ie/ice/ | 11:07 |
| infobot | timelE61i meant: nokia devices had already been using usb charging | 11:07 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: They were certainly not the first ;) | 11:08 |
| * timelE61i shrugs | 11:08 | |
| * Stskeeps has much fun trying to design a new apartment where beagleboard(s), a 770, n800, asus wl-500gp, etc. | 11:08 | |
| * timelE61i fines sts for lack of a verb | 11:09 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, happens :P | 11:09 |
| * timelE61i considers waking up | 11:10 | |
| RST38h | Another indication of no more Diablo updates: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3748 | 11:10 |
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| RST38h | *timelE61i* do you use those flowers as tea leaves? <Tue Mar 10 05:15> | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | tHe timestamp means your client is /away | 11:18 |
| RST38h | <what was that about? hmm> | 11:19 |
| timelE61i | And the *-*s mean it's a private message | 11:19 |
| RST38h | You got it opposite. My client is always /away because I like seeing timestamps. | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
| timelE61i | Well, go read your away message | 11:20 |
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| RST38h | Ah, those flowers.... No, all necessary substances are produced in my body naturally, as a byproduct of metabolism. | 11:21 |
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| florian | timeless: I don't share your opinion about maps. | 11:33 |
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| timelE61i | ever translated it? | 11:43 |
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| RST38h | "SCP personal below Level 3 are now banned from handling SCP-500. This is not to be used to cure a hangover. Get AIDS and then ask permission." | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | "The entire AI was on a well-worn, but still workable cassette tape." | 11:52 |
| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-079 | 11:54 |
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| zap | RST38h: "SCP-1021 Object is an Apple Inc brand portable media player [...] Carbon dating suggests the object is 430-440 years old" har-har, does ipod have any carbon in it? :) | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | zap: You need 14C for carbon dating afaik and yes, it does | 12:03 |
| zap | isnt it made of alluminium? | 12:04 |
| RST38h | it's made of various shit | 12:04 |
| zap | :) | 12:04 |
| lcuk | i thought you were talking about ipod, not the zune | 12:04 |
| zap | whats that schisophrenic site? | 12:04 |
| RST38h | as the company is US based though, it is made of aluminum, not aluminium =) | 12:04 |
| RST38h | zap: Best waste of time I have seen in the last 3 months | 12:04 |
| RST38h | zap: English version of Piknik na Obochine =) | 12:05 |
| dneary | Hi all | 12:06 |
| dneary | Want to know the results? | 12:06 |
| dneary | lcuk: The top 3 favourite Simpsons characters... care to make a guess before looking? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | Skinner for Council Chair? :P | 12:06 |
| lcuk | bart homer lisa | 12:07 |
| RST38h | dneary: Ok, who isn't gonna make it? | 12:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, we already have jaffa | 12:07 |
| dneary | lcuk: 2 out of 3 ain't bad | 12:07 |
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| dneary | RST38h: Guess dude | 12:07 |
| * lcuk voted for ones which said BASS downwards just because it was a random poll might as well add order to it | 12:08 | |
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| RST38h | BTW I have not voted yet | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Never got the email | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | then you miss out and if apu becomes council member its YOUR fault | 12:09 |
| lcuk | lol actually @ apu running the ovi app store :D | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | dneary: Where do I vote? | 12:11 |
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| dneary | RST38h: The test election's closed | 12:11 |
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| * RST38h does not know who apu is but is already scared | 12:11 | |
| RST38h | Ah it was a test election... No problem then | 12:12 |
| dneary | We got about 30 ballots, which wasn't really enough to have a realistic type of election, everyone was bunched around 3 or 4 votes after the 2 most popular | 12:12 |
| RzR | any of you played along qemu + arm ? | 12:12 |
| dneary | lcuk: Bart, Apu, Smithers, Someone else? | 12:12 |
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| dneary | lcuk: I was originally going to make it "who is your favourite maemo.org staff member?" but thought that would be a bit close to home :) | 12:13 |
| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173 | 12:15 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:18 |
| RST38h | moorning lardman | 12:21 |
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| lbt | morning all... I'm having a problem with dpkg-shlibdeps: http://pastebin.com/d13437346 any ideas? | 12:31 |
| RST38h | lbt: missing Depends line somewhere? =) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | maybe qt45-demos ought to depend on qt scriptools package or something? | 12:32 |
| lbt | most of the dpkg-shlibdeps work | 12:32 |
| lbt | this isn't picking up deps | 12:32 |
| lbt | on stuff I just built | 12:33 |
| lbt | I tried a manual run with -S | 12:33 |
| lbt | and setting LD_...PATH | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | mm, that's usually bound to mess things up though | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | bbl lunch | 12:34 |
| lbt | OK | 12:34 |
| lardman | any Nokians about? | 12:38 |
| lardman | the dspgateway.sourceforge.net site is broken | 12:39 |
| lardman | and at a slight tangent, it appears Ti have removed the DSP toolchain completely now (too old I guess) | 12:40 |
| timelE61i | Um | 12:49 |
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| wazd | hello everybody! | 12:49 |
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| lardman | hi wazd | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd! | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i have artwork job for you | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout , see screenshots | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | (read: i actually implemented your UI mockup.) | 12:55 |
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| Jaffa | lo wazd | 13:00 |
| * Jaffa really looks forward to seeing an artowkred version of the Mer UI | 13:00 | |
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| lcuk | wazd, i hope you have had a nice break lol. | 13:07 |
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| lcuk | lardman, the dspgateway stuff, is that the omap2 toolchain you normally use, or the newer one? | 13:08 |
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| lardman | I think it was called a toolchain for the OMAP1 actually | 13:10 |
| lardman | same one as I used for the 770 anyway | 13:10 |
| lardman | Someone is trying to get started right now, so he'll report back if one of the newer toolchains works | 13:10 |
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| wazd | ok, thats actually looks very nice | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | we do however need some better icons than my bullshit ones :) | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | and marquee background | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morning b-man | 13:17 |
| b-man | hello Stskeeps :) | 13:17 |
| wazd | but there's 1 mistake | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:19 |
| wazd | last icon in a row is load-applet I suppose | 13:19 |
| wazd | it's statusbar applet | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i would really prefer the statusbar applets to go right to left | 13:20 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yes, exactly | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | the amount of applications shown vs statusbar applets shown is adjustable btw | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | right now it's 1/3 apps, 2/3 statusbar applets | 13:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I think it's better to set exact numbers of items :) Like 6/4 7/3 and so on :) | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it is difficult when it has to be resolution independent code | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | and it has to match up with the other elements | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | sadly | 13:22 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: can it calculate available numbers of items, like for example (*resolution width*-150)/40 ? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what it does | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | look at desktop layout wiki page :) | 13:24 |
| RST38h | "SCP-343, colloquially nicknamed "God" by the staff here, looks like an older man, although his features are different to each observer." | 13:25 |
| RST38h | WAZD! | 13:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: Got some news | 13:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: moo :) | 13:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: so what's the problem with showing this number to user?) | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, it is configurable so we'll look into it when we have artwork in place :) | 13:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and making some volumebar or seekbar to setup the ratio | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: anyway, if you have time to work on the icons mentioned in the wiki page (sizes are described) and a 18x52 repeating background for the marquee it would be really interesting | 13:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: 1. TI83+ works and needs a skin 2. TI82 also works (incredibly) and also needs a skin | 13:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: 3. I had to start on an iphone-like selection menu because having so many icons in the app menu is just insane (need the menu image) | 13:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: 4. Weird two-vertical-lines character is actually quotation marks :) | 13:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: Well, Ti83+ skin is already done) | 13:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: And, finally, this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ will kill your productivity for a week in advanc3e | 13:28 |
| RST38h | [out for lunch] | 13:30 |
| qgil | X-Fade: hi, how is it possible that http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/gpodder/ made it when there are unmet dependencies? | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Because the package 'cheated'. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | qgil: It is a python package, which needs no compilation. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | qgil: But it doesn't tell it requires python. | 13:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: I actually don't know what's "iPhone like selection menu" :) That sliding tj the right thing?) | 13:32 |
| qgil | I see | 13:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ok, got the task will do :) | 13:32 |
| qgil | thanks X-Fade | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: also, i was wondering, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-appmenu.png <- why isn't this actually filling the entire thing? | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, underneath marquee | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Obviously, something needs to be done to prevent things like that from happening ;) | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | I just don't know what.. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: s/why isn't/why not/ | 13:33 |
| qgil | anyway, fwiw I can see gPodder and rootsh available to be installed in the application manager after activating fremantle extras-devel | 13:33 |
| lcuk | x-fade, is there something like a python grammar check that you can force things through | 13:34 |
| lcuk | ie something not for compiling, but for validating | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I think his control file doesn't tell anything about 'make'. | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | So it gets copied, just like it was a documentation package or something like that. | 13:34 |
| lcuk | ahhh similar to a language pack | 13:35 |
| lcuk | might be worth checking how other distros do it | 13:35 |
| qgil | at least in real life a package like this would never make it to extras-testing | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, it would not get 'promoted' | 13:36 |
| qgil | because someone like me would vote -1 or flag "doesn't build" or file a blocker bug | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | in the production system python would normally exist would it not | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Sure, but it is not available _yet_ ;) | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | Once the indt guys upload python, we are ready ;) | 13:37 |
| lcuk | yeah, thats what im saying though, qgil saying they wouldnt make it isnt right, they will and people wont care because they will work. expidite python into fremantle? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | Well python is not an officially supported runtime, yet. | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | It is community supported through Extras. | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | I would imagine that one day it will be included in the sdk by default. | 13:38 |
| lardman | I thought part of the masterplan was for it to be supported? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | based on number of apps using it, the sooner the better ;) | 13:39 |
| lcuk | bbl anyway | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | But if it is in Extras from the start, the result is about the same. | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | As long as it is available. | 13:40 |
| lcuk | +1 but im not here :P | 13:42 |
| GAN800 | lardman, not yet | 13:44 |
| lardman | X-Fade: sure, I was just remembering that talk at the summit | 13:45 |
| lardman | though I was standing by the bar, so my memory may be slightly clouded ;) | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | lardman: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle doesn't mention it. | 13:47 |
| lardman | ok | 13:47 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, if you're talking bout the mer menu then I don't know, I have it fullscreen in my last mockups :) | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, so that is what the mer menu is | 13:50 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/task_man_3items1.jpg?w=480&h=640 | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | i just got confused by the tasks bar really | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: what do you think about the x menu? | 13:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it's tricky | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | it would be more useful with bigger x'es i guess | 13:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: on the one hand it's a good handy idea | 13:51 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and it eliminates large taskswitcher from mer menu | 13:52 |
| GAN800 | The X's need to be easier to hit. I end up closing channels in XChat instead of removing email notifications half the time. | 13:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but on the other user would expect app to close on cross-tap, not to open some another task switcher | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | true | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, but on the other hand, Windows Mobile has a completely different view on X for instance | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | and i often accidentially close stuff | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | when i normally don't want to | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | (cos i hit close instead of minimize) | 13:54 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: WinMo is not the best example to follow xD | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | of course not | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | i hate WM's way :) | 13:54 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I don't think that you use "minimize" button very often on a mobile device | 13:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you switch to the app directly | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I don't even use minimize on the desktop) | 13:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: win+D only :) | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | i think it would be useful to see how it could be done, and potentially remove it.. i just wonder where the hell we would put the overflow of applications otherwise | 13:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep, it would be interesting to see how it would behave | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | i think we might put it in 0.10, and put up a "Love the X or hate the X" poll ;) | 13:57 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: mm, I saw nice kinetic scrolling in fremantle prealphas. is it crappy on the old hardware? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | the file chooser? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i think it would be better if our X server was faster | 13:58 |
| lcuk | yo dawg, i heard you loved the X, so i put an X on your X so you can close your close button :D | 13:58 |
| wazd | or minimize it) | 13:58 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: So I should draw separate elements of the UI, right?) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the icons | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's first step at least | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | because then we can start seeing the quirks in theme | 14:02 |
| RST38h | back | 14:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: "iPhone like selection menu" is a black background with 3x5 icons, each 100x100 pixels in size | 14:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: the icons should represent calc models (82,83,83+,85,86 right now), one icon to reset the calc and one icon for exit | 14:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have got the code working, as for the image it is all up to you :) | 14:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: you have got ti83+ skin somewhere? =) | 14:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: ahh | 14:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: got it | 14:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have it on my mini, sister still got it kidnapped :) | 14:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll send it to you asap | 14:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ati85_2.jpg?w=800&h=480 | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | lunch today: jacket potato with cheese n beans, and a 1litre bottle of vodka! | 14:17 |
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| glass | haha | 14:17 |
| lcuk | total price: £2 :) | 14:17 |
| glass | not bad | 14:18 |
| glass | does the vodka bottle have a cap thats resealable? | 14:18 |
| lcuk | yeah screw top vladivar blue | 14:19 |
| glass | i thought that the plastic cups with a rip-off lid were hilarious in estonia(1dl in size) | 14:19 |
| lcuk | im waiting for vodka with a sport top | 14:20 |
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| glass | lcuk: sport top? you just rip it off and it doesn't go back? | 14:21 |
| glass | lcuk: they got those in russia | 14:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Thanks! The MATRX button is wrong (I think) | 14:21 |
| RST38h | wazd | 14:22 |
| lcuk | no, http://www.ems.com/media/images/products/210/21028/2102802/210280218/210280218_DEEPBLACK_200_v1_m56577569830721875.jpg | 14:22 |
| glass | oh | 14:22 |
| glass | thats quite the opposite then | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | lo zenvoid | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: think i might have found the key to the theme issue | 14:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: The image you have got is TI83+SE, TI83+ is here: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/usinga/mainpic01.jpg | 14:23 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps, insted of getting rid of the home titlebar, have you considered the posibility of getting rid of the whole hildon-desktop? :) | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: once or twice and at the same time, learning QT. | 14:24 |
| zenvoid | :D | 14:24 |
| zenvoid | qtablet? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw it | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | but i think it would be helpful to adoption to have hildon stuff working, as in, with home applets and such, and not stray too far from fremantle in the standard setup, but allow flexibility | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: anyhow. with the new hildon-desktop i just put in, it is a matter of commenting out rc/hildonhome.rc in the layout | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | then it doesn't heed the home status bar background anymore | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | and we can probably remove it from gfx too if need be | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | and then in data/theme.xml set title height to 0 | 14:29 |
| zenvoid | yes it would be helpful to adopt it for compatibility with applets, though | 14:30 |
| zenvoid | got rid of the hildon_home_titlebar_* calls in hildon_home_window.c? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's a gconf schema i forgot to commit | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | but it is in there now | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i also had marquee height set wrong | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | (armel still building) | 14:31 |
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| zenvoid | there are some things that should be removed in the template and the theme-layout, but most important now is to add the missing parts for the marquee | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd has started working on the icons | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | so we just need some nice way to include them into template.svg/png i guess | 14:35 |
| zenvoid | yes, and then remove all the unused things | 14:35 |
| zenvoid | the file data/layout.txt should be changed, be warned that it is a really boring task to adjust this file :) | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | that's just the positions where to cut isn't it? | 14:38 |
| zenvoid | yes, a lot of coordinates for the pieces | 14:38 |
| zenvoid | btw, what does it mean the qgn_plat_ prefix? | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | zenvoid, the qgn_ prefixes were discussed the other day | 14:48 |
| lcuk | i dunno if a resolution was found | 14:49 |
| lcuk | some folks thought it was quim gil something or other, but afaik quim wasnt around when this lot started | 14:49 |
| zenvoid | so nobody really knows what they mean XD | 14:50 |
| lcuk | lost in the mists of time, it appears as though they come from other nokia departments as well | 14:50 |
| sp3000 | hi | 14:50 |
| sp3000 | I used categories in appmgr for the first time today, whil playing with themes | 14:51 |
| sp3000 | I thought this would be worth an announcement | 14:51 |
| lcuk | ie from symbian: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31140&page=33 | 14:52 |
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| * lcuk ponders downing the whole litre bottole of vodka this afternoon | 14:54 | |
| timsamoff | lcuk makes my people proud. ;) | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | ahhh tim, the voice of experience, should i have the whole bottle or just part of it? | 14:55 |
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| timsamoff | I'd wager that just a prt would be plenty... And mix it with something. Don't want to waste the night feeling like a turd. | 14:56 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hildon-liberty-theme looks different in Mer than in diablo, there are some glitches and many unthemed widgets. No idea of what is the cause | 14:56 |
| lcuk | heh, i should be ok to have about half then. i dont think my boss will notice too much | 14:57 |
| timsamoff | Haha. | 14:57 |
| * hahlo wish all the linux installers were like merinstaller, just click click inside windows | 14:59 | |
| lcuk | hahlo, gentoo has a similar install system | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yeah.. we'll figure it out eventually. maybe because of lacking icons | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | we don't exactly have osso-icons so | 15:03 |
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| kartik_rustagi | Hi, I am interested in working for maemo in this year's Gsoc | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | ok | 15:12 |
| lcuk | kartik_rustagi, are you the same one google gives results for regarding evince development? | 15:12 |
| kartik_rustagi | I did submit a patch to evince last year regarding .cb7 | 15:12 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I'm doing an "apt-get upgrade" inside the virtualbox image, my scratchbox installation is currently dead :) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | ok, im not sure if you are too late, check the maemo wiki for gsoc stuff | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: should be safe | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | kartik_rustagi: Yeah, the wiki has more info on GSoC, and I don't think it is too late | 15:14 |
| lcuk | vdvsx (i think thats his nick) has been pushing this, but i just heard someone asking about evince coding the other day - you might be compatible and have a chance of doing something??? | 15:14 |
| kartik_rustagi | lcuk, I did and I am interested in working for the 'Barcode Scanner' | 15:14 |
| lcuk | lardman|lunch, come off lunch | 15:14 |
| lcuk | speak to him ^ | 15:14 |
| jeremiah_ | kartik_rustagi: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009 | 15:14 |
| lcuk | back later | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ :) | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Hello Stskeeps! And everyone else | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: apt-get install marquee-plugins is a good idea too | 15:15 |
| kartik_rustagi | We had a presentation in our in college from maemo India team | 15:15 |
| zenvoid | ok | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | I had a hardware failure which is why I havne't been around much last few days | 15:15 |
| RST38h | moo jeremiah | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Hey RST38h! How goes it? | 15:16 |
| zenvoid | I'm getting used to typing with a spanish keyboard and an english keyboard layout :) | 15:16 |
| RST38h | which part of your hardware broke? did it require surgery? =) | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 15:16 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: meeting | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh no big deal, just the motherboard | 15:16 |
| kartik_rustagi | Has any other student started working for the 'Barcode Scanner' listed on http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I was just in the #maemo-meeting channel, seems quiet | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: It is abandoned except for official meetings | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | danielwilms: good idea with the introduction post :) | 16:06 |
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| X-Fade | danielwilms: No full content in your feed ;) | 16:10 |
| danielwilms | X-Fade: saw that...but it is in the content field of the feed...don't know how to tell wordpress to put it into the description field | 16:12 |
| danielwilms | X-Fade: there's only the option show full text in feed....hmmm...have to figure it out how to change that :) | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I think it needs a change on our side.. | 16:14 |
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| wazd | RST38h: Can you give me a list of available emuls now? | 16:16 |
| etrunko_lap | http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maemoorg.png | 16:16 |
| etrunko_lap | wallpaper goodness | 16:16 |
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| danielwilms | X-Fade: ok, otherwise tell me when I should have a further look on my side | 16:20 |
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| timsamoff | etrunko_lap: Nice. ;) | 16:24 |
| etrunko_lap | timsamoff: yeah | 16:25 |
| * Jaffa should redo http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo2.jpg to involve Maemo and Mer somehow | 16:25 | |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Haha! :D | 16:25 |
| deco | someone at bossa right now ? | 16:25 |
| etrunko_lap | timsamoff: : asked glaubert for this | 16:26 |
| etrunko_lap | and he also provided a nice oo.o presentation template | 16:26 |
| etrunko_lap | deco: sure | 16:26 |
| etrunko_lap | I'll upload my slides somewhere | 16:26 |
| timsamoff | etrunko_lap: glaubert roacks. ;) | 16:26 |
| etrunko_lap | time to sign up for slideshare | 16:26 |
| deco | the internet is kinda lazy, isnt ? | 16:27 |
| deco | im going nut | 16:27 |
| etrunko_lap | Jaffa: LOL | 16:27 |
| * Jaffa would like to see all the presentations at the next summit use a common template wherever possible (i.e. let's have HTML, OOo, PPT, Keynote formats on wiki.maemo.org) | 16:27 | |
| etrunko_lap | Jaffa: time to start it then | 16:27 |
| etrunko_lap | i have the artwork | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | Not mandataed, of course. But would be nice, I think. | 16:28 |
| etrunko_lap | don't know how to properly create a template | 16:28 |
| kynde | a quick question, how to wake the screen up from software? send some d-bus signal somewhere, but where? (talking about a C application here) | 16:28 |
| * Jaffa did with his OOo presentation for the summit, thinking it might do that - but I ain't no designer | 16:28 | |
| etrunko_lap | all i do is to set background pictures and so | 16:28 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the evil home titlebar is still there | 16:28 |
| lcuk | if people know early enough there will be a machine capable of playing back all those formats it would be easier, its not so much formatting that killed people it was getting it working | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hmm,s ec | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | etrunko_lap: I'd suggest we come up with a master (say in OOo) and then produce variants in different formats (S5 etc) | 16:29 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa, etrunko_lap: I liked the background I cam up with, but... I'm all for other versions. ;) | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: ah, i think i forgot a dh_gconf in h-d | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:30 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: has the hildon-desktop package at repository.mer.tspre.org all changes? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | building mer21 | 16:32 |
| zenvoid | ok | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff/etrunko: I like mostly white backgrounds for the content, but with a whizzy title. A faded version of that wallpaper could also make a good content background | 16:33 |
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| timsamoff | Jaffa: Agreed. Dark backgrounds can be tough -- especially with bad projectors. :-/ | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: easy fix is gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/titlebar/hide true; gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/menu/hide true | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | OK, here is the template I used: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/template.otp - etrunko_lap it may get you up to speed. | 16:34 |
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| Jaffa | etrunko_lap: if you put some of the artwork online (wiki.maemo.org/Artwork perhaps?), I'll start the conversation rolling on-community | 16:35 |
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| etrunko_lap | Jaffa: ok | 16:36 |
| etrunko_lap | i'll export the pictures and upload | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: mer21 uploaded | 16:38 |
| * zenvoid trying the easy fix ;) | 16:39 | |
| kynde | found it, from an obvious source libosso, sorry to have bothered, I managed to overlook it at my first glance... | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: you'll prolly have to /etc/init.d/auto-startx restart at least | 16:39 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I restarted the whole virtual machine, thanks for pointing the auto-startx script :D | 16:40 |
| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-015 | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: is that the carnate form of that windows 3d screensaver with the pipes? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the home titlebar is dead :) so, there was no need to change libhildondesktop sources, just a gconf setting? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | aye, it was a u-m patch i had forgotten to activate | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I do suspect that the screensaver is the result of this artefact getting to some optic cable and spreading... | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe | 16:57 |
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| dlnh | i have n800 working as my touchpad, but it's pain to try to click on anything small. is there some thing i can use to lay my computer screen on n800 screen? i see there's xtv, but can i force its window fullscreen? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | vnc with resize patch? maybe | 17:02 |
| dlnh | ok it would help a lot if i didn't need to install anything on n800 but i'll look into that | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm, the iPhone prototype UI looked like StarTrek PADD.... | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't all prototype tablet UIs do that initially? | 17:12 |
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| RST38h | Sts: No idea, although my internal sceptic says "no? | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | " | 17:13 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: do you know if the layout package for hildon-theme-mobile-basic is public? looks it is not | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, not stopping, that iphone test thing has a playground o_O | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, you are slowly progressing toward iPhone-like UI with liqbase? B) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: don't think they have one | 17:54 |
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| zenvoid | ? | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, they had more manpower than me :p | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | http://www.streamingcolour.com/blog/2009/03/09/the-numbers-post-aka-brutal-honesty/ | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | YESSS, YESS | 18:01 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: do you think each pixmap icon has been drawn individually? | 18:01 |
| * RST38h wonders what that guy was thinking about | 18:01 | |
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| RST38h | Making another color matching game for freaking $32k (!), selling it at $5 apiece through a mightily crowded site | 18:04 |
| johnx_ | most of that money is probably his 'small salary' | 18:06 |
| RST38h | he hired contractors to write it | 18:07 |
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| johnx_ | ah. I didn't quite catch that. just skimmed the article ... | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: as in they prolly used something like theme maker | 18:40 |
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| lardman | re | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 19:01 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, the GSoC students really like the maemo-barcode idea, 4 students contact me about this till now :) | 19:07 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: good stuff | 19:08 |
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| woglinde | vdvsx hehe good | 19:08 |
| lardman | VDVsx: so I suppose wrapping the barcode functionality would be a good thing, so people can use it in their apps | 19:09 |
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| GAN800 | lardman, gotta fix the name. . . . | 19:09 |
| lardman | yeah I know | 19:10 |
| lardman | any suggestions | 19:10 |
| lardman | ? | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | lardman, yup, this can be used also in other linux systems | 19:10 |
| lardman | well the actual processing code is largely pulled from other projects anyway, other than derf's re-written QR code handler | 19:11 |
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| derf | My code turned out not to be so much of a re-write. | 19:11 |
| lardman | ah ok | 19:11 |
| derf | As a "throwing all that code away and starting over". | 19:11 |
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| lardman | complete re-write then :) | 19:11 |
| derf | Yes. | 19:12 |
| derf | I told the guy his Reed-Solomon decoder was totally broken, too. I don't know if he ever fixed it. | 19:12 |
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| woglinde | hi qwerty | 19:13 |
| lardman | the question then, is whether these functions need to be wrapped up in something like the Zebra Xing library | 19:13 |
| derf | That's probably a good idea. | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | hey woglinde | 19:13 |
| derf | There's no reason for them to be tied to the UI, or to maemo in particular. | 19:13 |
| woglinde | lardman is there an easy tutorial for the n8xx dsp programming? | 19:13 |
| lardman | certainly the Python programmers would like some interface, and we should probably try to write a rough guess algorithm to decide what type of code is in view | 19:14 |
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| lardman | woglinde: not really, wiki page should give you some basics, then I can point you at some basic code | 19:14 |
| woglinde | lardman yes would be nice | 19:14 |
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| lardman | woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_the_DSP though the toolchain name is not right any more | 19:15 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, python bindings are easy to archive with cython or pyrex | 19:15 |
| lardman | woglinde: also the DSP Gateway download page is broken, though hopefully they'll fix it as I've emailed someone about it | 19:15 |
| lardman | VDVsx: yes | 19:16 |
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| * thopiekar is searching for a summer job.. do you now here he could earn some money in his holidays? [Germany] | 19:17 | |
| woglinde | thanks lardman | 19:17 |
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| lardman | woglinde: I was talking to someone today, I think the best bet for the toolchain is cg55x_4_3_1 from https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/LinuxDspTools/download.html | 19:18 |
| lardman | I need to test and update the wiki | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | lo qwerty12 | 19:18 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, if you are a student you can try Google summer of code :) | 19:19 |
| lardman | So, how do we establish what the library calls should look like? | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 19:20 |
| derf | VDVsx, lardman: Where is maemo-barcode's GSoC idea? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | nick the api from an existing barcode library and let people scratch heads for years to come about how to use it ;) | 19:20 |
| lardman | derf: I think there's a page on the wiki somewhere | 19:20 |
| derf | Yes, I was hoping someone had a link. | 19:21 |
| woglinde | lardman hm it works with push and pop | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | derf, http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas | 19:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah except this is 4 sets of code, we should standardise it | 19:21 |
| derf | VDVsx: Thanks. | 19:21 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: I don't understand GSoC really.. If I would work for the project maemo.. I have to do what? | 19:22 |
| lardman | well you could just do like the rest of us and work on it | 19:22 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, start here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs | 19:22 |
| lardman | Do the GSoC students get paid to work? | 19:22 |
| lcuk | lardman, same front end, you want to accept a bitmap of data and return a token from the function | 19:22 |
| VDVsx | yup | 19:22 |
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| VDVsx | $4500 | 19:22 |
| lcuk | does the calling program care what kind of barcode it found? | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | plus book and t-shirts | 19:23 |
| lcuk | or are you making the whole thing available for the client to deal with | 19:23 |
| thopiekar | YES! | 19:23 |
| thopiekar | .. we can... | 19:23 |
| lardman | lcuk: it probably ought to, otherwise not worth wrapping it in a library | 19:23 |
| lcuk | lardman, xml result set which can be processed as required? | 19:24 |
| lardman | pah, xml | 19:24 |
| thopiekar | some of the descriptions are very interesting.. | 19:24 |
| lcuk | so the client could feasibly do something with the isbn if found | 19:24 |
| lardman | lcuk: web-lookup should be part of the library then? I'd say not, or at least not the same library | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | xml is worthwhile for many things, and since its a universal lookup | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | lardman, agree | 19:24 |
| thopiekar | "Bittorrent plugin for Canola" - maybe the python-bittorrent module would be useful.. | 19:25 |
| lcuk | lardman, it depends if your library is having any ui or not | 19:25 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yes, but at the moment you can just call a single fn and it will return the barcode to you, not much need for a wrapper | 19:25 |
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| derf | I think it would be a lot of fun to do something like OpenCV from an embedded perspective (no floating point, minimize memory usage), but who has the time... | 19:25 |
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| lardman | derf: +1 | 19:25 |
| lcuk | lardman, sure there is: what kind of barcode was it, is the code matching, what about original vs baked code? | 19:25 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: when will they start with it? | 19:26 |
| woglinde | def opencv with wthe dsp? | 19:26 |
| woglinde | ups derf I meant | 19:26 |
| derf | woglinde: Not the dsp necessarily. | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, the coding ? mid may | 19:26 |
| derf | But even on ARM, floating point sucks. | 19:26 |
| woglinde | derf hm? | 19:26 |
| derf | It's very slow. | 19:26 |
| woglinde | with neon it should be fine | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: so they are not starting as i have my holidays? | 19:27 |
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| ccooke | derf: "even on"? Most ARM chips in embedded environments don't have an FPU | 19:27 |
| lcuk | currently in liqbase ive got a barcode button, it does nothing at all yet but can be made to pass in a bitmap to any function. the same button can be used from the camera module as well. however the app that comes up post processing - should that simply be a binary with a code as a parameter? | 19:27 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, no, all the student have the same schedule | 19:27 |
| derf | ccooke: Yes, that too. | 19:27 |
| derf | The N800's does, but that doesn't mean it's fast. | 19:27 |
| derf | It's just faster than software emulation. | 19:28 |
| lcuk | ill talk later, driving back | 19:28 |
| derf | It's still slowe than dedicated fixed-point code. | 19:28 |
| VDVsx | derf, the opencv idea was proposed by a nokian :) | 19:28 |
| derf | *slower | 19:28 |
| woglinde | bye lcuk | 19:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: ok | 19:28 |
| ccooke | derf: ... well, yes. Floating point is orders of magniture more complex than integers. | 19:28 |
| derf | VDVsx: Well, it's not the first time I've thought about it. | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: thanks for the info... do I have to send something like a letter of application? | 19:29 |
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| VDVsx | deejoe, and someting is already done, I think, let me check | 19:29 |
| ccooke | derf: However, that's no reason to say that they suck. They solve the problem they're intended to solve very well. | 19:29 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, all the info is in the link that I sent | 19:29 |
| derf | maemo-barcode would benefit substantially from being able to re-use OpenCV code... but it's not designed for an embedded platform. | 19:29 |
| lardman | ~lart ActiveX | 19:29 |
| * infobot throws ActiveX's poor little doggy off a cliff | 19:29 | |
| ccooke | Using floating point for something where fixed point is faster *where you don't need the range that floating point gives you* could be described as sucking, I guess. | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: k thanks again :) | 19:30 |
| derf | Some day I will be able to have a conversation in this channel without getting into a philosophical debate. | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | derf, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/opencv/ | 19:30 |
| lardman | :) | 19:30 |
| derf | VDVsx: I'm not saying you can't compile it for maemo. | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | I know :) | 19:30 |
| derf | That's not the same thing as it being any good. | 19:30 |
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| VDVsx | derf, the rx-51 will have a super fast FPU :) | 19:31 |
| ccooke | VDVsx: Oh? Haven't heard much about floating point performance on the cortex. What's known? | 19:31 |
| derf | Well, that is the other reason I don't want to do it. Faster hardware will eventually obviate the need. | 19:32 |
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| VDVsx | ccooke, nothing :( just kidding | 19:32 |
| lardman | ccooke: it's not that fast according to the Pandora people | 19:32 |
| ccooke | Drat. | 19:32 |
| derf | Then again, I thought that back in the 386 days, and here we are, with all the same problems on smaller devices. | 19:32 |
| ccooke | Oh, well | 19:32 |
| lardman | in fact I seem to remember seeing that the n810 was faster | 19:32 |
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| lardman | there's a thread on the Pandora forums with some benchmark data, I'll look for a linky | 19:33 |
| z4chh | what do you guys think of a mythtv plugin as a gsoc proposal for maemo org, canola mentor? im a student btw o.o | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | plays glquake2 fast enough with no real optimizations | 19:33 |
| ccooke | z4chh: sounds a great idea. | 19:33 |
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| lardman | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45583&hl= | 19:34 |
| lardman | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45673&hl= | 19:34 |
| lardman | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=46513&hl= | 19:34 |
| lardman | might be of interest re floating point (and first one overall speed fp and integer) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | evening johnx_ | 19:35 |
| lardman | hey johnx_ | 19:35 |
| z4chh | ccooke, thanks, i know there are already apps out there to do mythtv stuff..but why not make a great app, greater? >.< | 19:35 |
| rmt_ | The rx-51 will have freakin' lasers on its head, baby! | 19:36 |
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| lardman | cu all later on | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: how's it going with it? | 19:40 |
| johnx_ | hey Stskeeps, lardman :) | 19:42 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 19:43 | |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I almost have one of the 66 marquee pixmaps integrated into the template, and it only took 4 hours :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, okay.. 66? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. why 66? | 19:44 |
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| zenvoid | ls hildon-theme-mobile-basic-0.37/images/mb_marquee_* | wc -l | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: you only need to do one really, images/mb_marquee_background.png | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | images/mb_marquee_background.png | 19:49 |
| t_s_o | kinda fun that the downloads page on maemo.org defaults to os2007, even tho im using os08 on my N800... | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: .. atleast atm | 19:49 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: sure? it looks that is is used only for the statusbar area | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: images/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced | 19:50 |
| zenvoid | anyway, that is the one that I've started with | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i hoped it was ;) | 19:50 |
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| sp3001 | heh, this maemo mapper update is interesting | 19:50 |
| sp3001 | all button presses pan north :D | 19:50 |
| zenvoid | the maintenance of the template and its coordinates and rc files is going to be painful, I guess that nokia have some kind of tool to do the work | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: it is in hildon-navigator which is the one used for marquee i think | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | the background that is | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | atm it's just black | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | lemme try to add it | 19:51 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: if you do not have too much objections, I think I will try to use a standard gtk theme like ubuntulooks for most widgets and use the template for panels only | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | be aware we might have to wrap all this possibly over again once fremantle themes come out, but we'll see :P | 19:53 |
| zenvoid | ? | 19:53 |
| zenvoid | the new UI? | 19:54 |
| zenvoid | do you plan to integrate the new fremantle UI in Mer? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | well as in, we'll possibly be able to adapt fremantle themes, but we'll see | 19:55 |
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| * Stskeeps doesn't know yet | 19:56 | |
| Stskeeps | curious, can't seem to get the background to work | 19:58 |
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| zenvoid | and do you think that the Clutter library could work in OMAP1/OMAP2 devices? | 20:01 |
| zenvoid | without GPU | 20:01 |
| zenvoid | it would be great since it looks very much like the marquee, with a panel on top | 20:01 |
| zenvoid | and no left panel | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | b-man claimed he had compiz going actually | 20:02 |
| zenvoid | !!!! | 20:02 |
| johnx_ | I can't picture a way in which clutter would be smooth on the omap2, but I'd love to be proven wrong | 20:02 |
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| zenvoid | really? | 20:02 |
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| johnx_ | anything will work if you're patient enough :) | 20:02 |
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| zenvoid | using software opengl like the mesa libs, I guess | 20:03 |
| zenvoid | probably lcuk will be able to create an alternative Clutter library with smooth software render ;-) | 20:06 |
| lcuk | clutter could be somewhat implemented as long as we arent talking about rotation ;) | 20:07 |
| zenvoid | :) | 20:08 |
| lcuk | it all depends on how its used. im attacking things from a different direction | 20:08 |
| lcuk | ie im hopeful to have liqbase rendering on opengl where available | 20:09 |
| lcuk | but thats in a parallel dimension for now ;) | 20:09 |
| zenvoid | I don't know what operations does Clutter provide in the API | 20:10 |
| lcuk | i do | 20:11 |
| zenvoid | rotations? ;) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:11 |
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| zenvoid | wow... | 20:15 |
| zenvoid | I'm looking at its sources | 20:15 |
| zenvoid | more complex than I've though | 20:15 |
| zenvoid | t | 20:15 |
| lcuk | yeah muchly | 20:15 |
| lcuk | mightv been mangled more since i saw it as well | 20:16 |
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| zenvoid | it even handles shaders and such things... Stskeeps I don't think it would be easy to port this to devices without GPU | 20:17 |
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| zenvoid | ... so I'm afraid I need to continue with the fucking pixmap template XD | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: nokia is still working on getting mbx drivers btw | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | zenvoid, just because something supports shaders does not mean they have to be totally implemented | 20:20 |
| lcuk | it depends on primary utilization | 20:21 |
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| johnx_ | zenvoid, using nokia's clutter-based UI and using nokia's theme resources are very different things :) | 20:21 |
| * johnx_ heads off to watch some anime, then bed | 20:22 | |
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| woglinde | johny haha yesterday I watched 5 hours one piece or so | 20:24 |
| woglinde | ups johnx | 20:24 |
| zenvoid | johnx_: yeah, but a theme for scratchbox/marquee/hildon-desktop and a theme for a clutter-based UI may not be very compatible, I think | 20:24 |
| GAN800 | Oh poo on lardman|gone. | 20:25 |
| GAN800 | etrunko_lap, ping? | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: still sharing a lot of characteristics, like gtk themes etc | 20:25 |
| lcuk | im surprised clutter is themable - what i know is clutter can rehouse gtk within it (varying degrees of success) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | and backgrounds | 20:25 |
| zenvoid | is clutter using gtk? | 20:25 |
| zenvoid | for themes? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | no, but rest of UI is ;) | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | well the matchbox desktop menus come from it | 20:26 |
| lcuk | errr matchbox WM | 20:26 |
| lcuk | thingy | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | unless they rewrote matchbox to be clutter then it HAS to be compositing x11/gtk at some level | 20:26 |
| zenvoid | I was thinking that matchbox won't be used at all | 20:27 |
| GAN800 | hildon-desktop | 20:27 |
| zenvoid | but well... I don't know much about clutter, I just looked at it a few minutes ago for the first time :) | 20:27 |
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| inz | zenvoid, at least matchbox maemo svn is receiving quite frequent updates | 20:28 |
| lcuk | clutter == game engine == glut | 20:28 |
| lcuk | == liqbase | 20:28 |
| inz | Only better... oh wait... | 20:28 |
| lcuk | even == flash lol | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | but world+dog has wanted to use linux apps so compositing has been added | 20:29 |
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| vasily_pupkin | Hi! | 20:32 |
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| vasily_pupkin | Anybody have problem with WPA/PSK with n810? | 20:32 |
| vasily_pupkin | I get something strange | 20:32 |
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| vasily_pupkin | I couldn't connect to Wi-Fi point with standart wifi util | 20:33 |
| woglinde | vasily with the latets updates I had problems with WPA | 20:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | but successfully connect with wpa_supplicant | 20:33 |
| woglinde | worked fine before | 20:33 |
| vasily_pupkin | hmm | 20:33 |
| woglinde | I just imported the cert | 20:33 |
| woglinde | and it worked | 20:33 |
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| woglinde | but now I seems not wot work anymore | 20:34 |
| woglinde | but I have to go now | 20:34 |
| woglinde | bye till later | 20:34 |
| vasily_pupkin | we have no certs at that problem point | 20:34 |
| zenvoid | quote: "It is assumed that we will have only one OpenGL drawing context, and thus a single process running in the system will be using Clutter at a time. This process will be the window manager[...]" | 20:35 |
| zenvoid | I'm not sure if I'm reding that right... | 20:35 |
| zenvoid | does it mean that only the window manager will be able to use clutter? | 20:36 |
| zenvoid | or what? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 20:36 |
| vasily_pupkin | simple pre-shared key | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | zenvoid, :) thats in line with what ive read about single process stuff :) | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: ok, so the bg of the marquee seems to work -just fine-.. until the elements of it show up, heh | 20:38 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: each element has to be included in the theme :/ | 20:38 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, without some form of plugin arch or serious client server/WM handling you cannot really share the necessary data | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: well, or at least their background | 20:39 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: ??? I'm lost XD | 20:39 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:40 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, you cannot share the memory necessary to share clutter actors between different applications | 20:40 |
| zenvoid | ah, ok | 20:40 |
| lcuk | ie to have one actor pop up within another app | 20:40 |
| lcuk | and to make a fully fluid WM work means you lose some of the niceness of using actors | 20:41 |
| lcuk | and it would also be VERY difficult to make a WM act like you want beyond just moving windows around | 20:41 |
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| * lcuk gets round it by using plugins which share memory but live on their own threads | 20:42 | |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: it seems that each icon on top of the marquee is required to draw its portion of background | 20:42 |
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| zenvoid | it would be much easier if there was only one background and all icons on top where png with transparency | 20:43 |
| vasily_pupkin | how do you think, release version of Maemo 5 will work on OMAP2? | 20:43 |
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| lardman | re | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: without even trying, i can only imagine Qt would be nicer. | 20:43 |
| lcuk | hey ho simon | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | vasily_pupkin: won't | 20:43 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 20:43 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: just like all normal panels in X, gnome-apnel, fbpanel, lxde panel... | 20:43 |
| lardman | lcuk: I got what you were saying, it's just a question of how many extra layers are needed above for the barcode lib | 20:44 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, the damage library from x11 manages the corruption a window causes and then you draw as required | 20:44 |
| * zenvoid wonders why the marquee themes are implemented this way | 20:44 | |
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| lcuk | zenvoid, i think all windows in maemo have to manage their own transparency | 20:44 |
| lcuk | dont the desktop plugins have similar redraw thingies | 20:45 |
| zenvoid | ? | 20:46 |
| zenvoid | lost again :D | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | when you move an applet on the maemo desktop the applet itself is in charge of managing its own transparency | 20:47 |
| zenvoid | ah, ok | 20:47 |
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| zenvoid | because it is "fake" transparency | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:47 |
| inz | No it isn't | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i thought it was? | 20:47 |
| zenvoid | no? | 20:47 |
| * lcuk puts an applet on | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | lardman, i keep trying to write an answer to you lol | 20:48 |
| inz | In the applet you just draw with a rgba colorspace and it just works | 20:49 |
| inz | The desktop libraries take care of the composite-stuff | 20:49 |
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| lardman | lcuk: no rush, am going to go and eat in a mo | 20:50 |
| zenvoid | anyway, the icons that are on top on a panel shouldn't be required to be responsible of the panel background, I think | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | code for omweather grabs the background desktop picture and does stuff with it | 20:51 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/omweather/src/weather-applet-expose.c?revision=2254&root=omweather&view=markup | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: well, their own background i guess | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: anyhow, i can't solve the gtkrc stuff for background on the individual pieces.. | 20:51 |
| zenvoid | why? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | cos i'm lost in gtkrc ;) | 20:52 |
| lcuk | lardman, it all depends on whether you expect UI to come up. the core "heres a picture, what can you detect from it" needs no UI, it just requires a standard way of passing data. | 20:53 |
| lcuk | the actual barcode manager app though requires something more | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's HDApplicationsMenu, HNAppSwitcher (items of HNAppButton) ,StatusbarContainer, HDSwitcherMenu) | 20:54 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: yes, me too :) | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | -> zenvoid | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | the ones in panel | 20:54 |
| lcuk | the manager app could be in the same library with an entry point of "show the UI manager using %barcoderesults%" | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: as in classes | 20:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: ui should be completely separate from the algorithmic stuff | 20:55 |
| woglinde | re | 20:55 |
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| lardman | wb woglinde | 20:55 |
| woglinde | mvc? | 20:55 |
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| woglinde | lardman did you wrote the dsp stuff in assembler or the c/c++ dialekt? | 20:56 |
| lardman | woglinde: C | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | lardman, agreed in principle, libbarcode and barcode-manager could be 2 totally different projects. and lbt can use libbarcode within his shopper to automatically tick off things, and i can use it in liqbase to play with and others can use it for whatever they want | 20:57 |
| lardman | yrp | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, do you want a generic name or something interesting and more brand worthy? | 20:57 |
| lardman | yep even | 20:57 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: HDPanelWindow has been renamed to HildonDesktopPanelWindow ? | 20:57 |
| * lcuk can see so many little apps using scanned things | 20:57 | |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'm not too bothered, I'm writing an app I want to use | 20:57 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: though I need to remove the maemo- bit I know | 20:58 |
| StsN802 | zenvoid, hmm | 20:58 |
| lcuk | lardcode | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, libbarcode and Barcode for Maemo maybe. | 20:58 |
| woglinde | lcuk lol | 20:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yep | 20:58 |
| lcuk | thats slick! | 20:58 |
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| lardman | barlard doesn't have quite the same ring | 20:58 |
| lcuk | barman does | 20:59 |
| woglinde | barwoman | 20:59 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ok, time to fully reinstall my scratchbox | 20:59 |
| lardman | specially made to let you scan your bottles of spirits and come up with cocktail recipes :) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, dont worry about the name yet, whats important is does it scan | 20:59 |
| lardman | of course | 21:00 |
| * lcuk got a 1litre bottle of vodka today | 21:00 | |
| lardman | it's always done that | 21:00 |
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| vasily_pupkin | Can I change hw MAC with cx3110x driver? | 21:00 |
| StsN802 | zenvoid, hehe.. i prefer vmdk coding. less sb hassle | 21:00 |
| lcuk | ok, so if you made yourself a 3 function library | 21:00 |
| lcuk | _open, _scan and _close | 21:00 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I will install it too | 21:01 |
| lardman | no need for open really, just scan() | 21:01 |
| lcuk | and tie it in with your GUI app - you can adjust the api as required | 21:01 |
| lardman | anyway, am being beckoned for food, bbiab | 21:01 |
| lcuk | have open, in future you might need to initialize some things | 21:01 |
| lcuk | better to be prepared: libraries open and close | 21:01 |
| lcuk | brb myself testing hard drive | 21:02 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I think I'll keep trying tomorrow... can't build packages right now, I have a bad cold, and just discovered a few minutes ago that my partner has gone with another boy without even saying goodbye. Not the best day for editing the fucking hildon theme template | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yeah, i know the feeling | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: take your time, no rush :) | 21:05 |
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| * Stskeeps sits down and glances at his linear algebra homework | 21:06 | |
| woglinde | stskeeps whats wrong with it? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: what's wrong with my linear algebra homework? well.. where to start ;) | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | as in: it's my last course ever and i don't really want to have it :P | 21:08 |
| woglinde | hihi by the way I am free of the homeworks | 21:08 |
| woglinde | only 3 oral exams and master/diploma thesis | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i am writing my masters thesis atm and i have one last exam, - linear algebra :P | 21:09 |
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| woglinde | stskeeps hm whats your topic? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: improving rehabiliation through the use of multiple positioning techniques | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | .. mix of pervasive healthcare and positioning/localization | 21:10 |
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| woglinde | hm | 21:14 |
| woglinde | sounds intressting | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | it will probably be once i figure out what the heck it means | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:15 |
| woglinde | lol | 21:15 |
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| cmug | what IDE is everybody using? | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | joe, bash. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
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| cmug | I only use sed myself | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:28 |
| * lcuk managed to wipe out 200gb of data | 21:29 | |
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| cmug | lcuk, good job. did you find it a hard task to accomplish? | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | no, windows automated the whole process, it has this wizard to help. | 21:30 |
| cmug | ah, thank god for Bill | 21:30 |
| cmug | nextnextnextnextrebootnextnextoopsnextnextrebootrebootfinish | 21:31 |
| lcuk | bill? this has sweaty prints and chair dents in it | 21:31 |
| nomis | bah. you <derogative adjective for young people>, you don't know how <term describing the favorable position the current generation is in>. We had to use <obscure reference to ancient technology> in our time! | 21:31 |
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| cmug | rotfl | 21:32 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: see the effect you have on people?! ;) | 21:32 |
| lcuk | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1152115&cid=27101809 | 21:32 |
| lcuk | nomis read that | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: hmm? :) | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1152115&cid=27098407 | 21:33 |
| lcuk | actually it starts tehre | 21:33 |
| lardman | ~curse treeview and all its associated lists and thingies | 21:33 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, treeview and all its associated lists and thingies ! | 21:33 |
| nomis | lcuk: heh :) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | heh lardman | 21:33 |
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| cmug | I once bought a pron DVD just because it was supposed to have multiple angles | 21:35 |
| cmug | The scene with multiple angles, angle 1 in a living room, angle 2 on a sea shore | 21:35 |
| cmug | I was a little bit disappointed | 21:36 |
| lardman | anyone know if a tree/list view is supposed to refresh itself automatically if you change its contents? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, i bet you still have a better experience than i had with a scratch n sniff porno | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | lardman, what bit of the contents have you changed, and from a logical perspective i would say it might get a bit heavy if its automatic with no way to disable it | 21:37 |
| lardman | I've added a row, but it doesn't realise it | 21:37 |
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| Anidel | re | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | Anidel: you sure have trouble with ubuntu :P | 21:40 |
| Anidel | stskeeps :) it won't boot :P and now I can't even boot from my internal SD :D | 21:40 |
| Anidel | I was looking for the flasher command to tell it to boot from the mmc | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet your problem has to deal with having a non-deblet bootmenu before, trying to boot the ubuntu distribution, and then flashing deblet bootmenu and trying then, but failing cos the ubuntu installation is already dead | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
| Anidel | why the ubuntu installation should be dead ? | 21:42 |
| lcuk | lardman, nothing jumping out at me from searches apart from "arghhhh this fscking treeview" | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | non-deblet bootmenu kills the installation | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | it gets unbootable | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | but it must be possible | 21:42 |
| Anidel | ahhh | 21:42 |
| Anidel | that's why it can't mount the ext3 partition when booting from internal flash! | 21:42 |
| Anidel | I knew, in fact, that you could mount it with ext2 with no problems | 21:42 |
| Anidel | but it wouldn't | 21:42 |
| Anidel | that's nice :D | 21:43 |
| lardman | lcuk: thanks :) | 21:45 |
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| Macer | i think they should adjust movie gross income for inflation | 21:50 |
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| lardman | don't they already, unless "they" are newspapers looking for a headline? | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | there might be an article on Mer in tomorrow's LWN.net btw, if i managed to answer him quick enough :) | 21:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 'gratz | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm just looking forward to be able to show the fiancée something tangible of the time i spend on the laptop :P | 21:55 |
| lardman | lol | 21:56 |
| lardman | I know the feeling | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | it was easier with one of my exes who was actually logged into a irc server i wrote, but this stuff is a lot more high level :P | 21:57 |
| Macer | does she know you code stuff? | 21:57 |
| Macer | :) | 21:57 |
| Macer | your current fiance? | 21:57 |
| Macer | just slap her around a little bit if she gets testy | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | my fiancée knows, yeah, it kinda comes with the fact i'm working at the dept. of computer science.. | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:58 |
| Macer | then she should understand ;) | 21:58 |
| Macer | when you first met and she asked what you do did you say "I work at the department of computer science..." | 21:58 |
| Macer | ? :) | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, nah | 22:00 |
| * lcuk will have a calendar for tracy soon and we will be able to scribble notes and talk to each other and take photos and draw silly shit on them (mustaches mainly) and make lol cats and motivational photos and i would like to get her recipe timer working and integrate shopper and stuff but doing it all with little lego blocks. | 22:00 | |
| * lcuk takes a breath | 22:00 | |
| Anidel | I do feel the same :) she had a tangible show of the time I spend here, when we went to the Summit :D | 22:00 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: :) i used to wonder if someone who was a janitor at MS would meet women at a bar and lead with "I work for Microsoft." | 22:01 |
| Macer | she knows you work a the dept of computer science.. i'm sure she understands why you use your laptop so much | 22:02 |
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| Macer | lcuk: uhm. this your baby daughter or something? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | no tracy is gf :) theres more i wanna do re educational stuff for youngest | 22:04 |
| suihkulokki | Macer: MS unlikely has janitor on payroll - they probably buy janitorial services from another company | 22:04 |
| lardman | hmm, if I place things in a GtkHBox, for example some buttons and a GtkTreeView, why do my buttons get forced off the edge of the screen, can I stop the TreeView from expanding? | 22:05 |
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| Macer | suihkulokki: maybe a door man or receptionist guy? | 22:05 |
| suihkulokki | security services :) | 22:05 |
| Macer | there has to be some sort of absolute low level position at MS that has some $9/hr guy walking around in bars saying "I work for Microsoft." | 22:05 |
| lcuk | lardman, are you re-weighing your contents after modifying the required columns etc | 22:06 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: haha.. wtf? :) So MS only employs coders and high power business men huh? | 22:06 |
| lardman | my columns are just too wide with data in them | 22:06 |
| * lardman wonders how to get a GtkTreeView widget to display and use scrollbars | 22:07 | |
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| suihkulokki | Macer: and lawyers | 22:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, grab some source from an app which does and peek inside is best suggestion without reading the entire gtk manual | 22:08 |
| lardman | yeah, no idea which apps do that though, back to the manual :) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | lawyers arent directly employed, they are grown | 22:08 |
| lcuk | shame khertan isnt here, he goes through similar pains | 22:09 |
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| lardman | hmm, Xserver;s gone mad, reboot time | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile somewhere in UK: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/10/bloke_duck_mounting/ | 22:34 |
| woglinde | lardman the parallel assembler instrcutions looks funny | 22:37 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: which folder should I clean after upgrading hildon in mre? | 22:44 |
| Corsac | mer* | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: ~/.osso/hildon-desktop | 22:49 |
| Corsac | oki thanks | 22:50 |
| Corsac | then restart? | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:51 |
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| nameless` | hi | 22:52 |
| nameless` | how can i enable the root user with maemo onto a nokia N810 ? | 22:53 |
| oli | nameless`: just install rootsh from repository | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 22:54 |
| infobot | hmm... root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 22:54 |
| Corsac | hmhm, still look weird | 22:54 |
| nameless` | which repository ? the one on nokia.com/os2008 ? | 22:54 |
| lbt | ~root | 22:54 |
| infobot | [root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 22:54 |
| nameless` | what is the goal of flasher3.0 ? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | nameless`, look at the root access link. | 22:55 |
| nameless` | i saw this on multiple website | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | Anidel: just to be fair to fanoush, it's not his bootmenu that messes up things, it's the traditional maemo boot process | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | which we subvert to get ubuntu/debian/etc booting correctly | 22:58 |
| nameless` | i've got a problem with maemo extra : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz : sub-process gzip return an error code (1) | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza | 23:07 |
| thopiekar | :P | 23:07 |
| lcuk | deformed, modern art esq pizza was delicious | 23:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nameless`, you should upgrade to Diablo. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 23:09 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:09 |
| nameless` | GeneralAntilles, can you explain me more about diablo ? | 23:10 |
| nameless` | what are you talking about ? :) | 23:10 |
| joyrider__ | update your firmware :) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | nameless`, diablo is the newest update for your n810. you posted a link to a repository which was for older chinook | 23:11 |
| lcuk | hey joyrider__ did you solve your disconnect crisis | 23:11 |
| cmug | Hey, I'm fooling around with fremantle again, but I am unable to start hildon-home. run-standalone.sh reports "hildon-home: command not found". What would that indicate? | 23:11 |
| joyrider__ | lcuk hey :) nope but i just ssh into it now :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 23:12 |
| lcuk | over usb still? | 23:12 |
| joyrider__ | yes | 23:12 |
| lcuk | was the documentation on the maemo wiki valid ? | 23:12 |
| cmug | should it be hildon-desktop and not hildon-home? | 23:12 |
| nameless` | lcuk, n810 = the hardware, maemo = the OS, diablo = ? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | diablo = the specific release of the os | 23:13 |
| nameless` | ok | 23:13 |
| nameless` | so for the moment i got maemo chinook | 23:13 |
| nameless` | and you want me to upgrade to maemo diablo | 23:14 |
| lcuk | i dunno what you have | 23:14 |
| lcuk | but the link you gave referenced chinook | 23:14 |
| nameless` | huhu | 23:14 |
| nameless` | ok | 23:14 |
| joyrider__ | about usbnet ? yes most of it was although i did a lot of error & trialing myselve first. the notes about adding it to the /etc/network/interface on pc itself were right. although i had to unmount memcards and rmmod g_storage.ko to make it work. haven't turned of the device since then ;) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, how does someone know which version they have? | 23:14 |
| nameless` | uname -r no ? | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, About in the Control Panel. . . . | 23:14 |
| cmug | oh porka troja.. I know what causes all my problems now | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, thanks . . . :D | 23:15 |
| cmug | my virtual machines / filesystem is 100% full.. probably maemo sdk installation is borked because of that | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anyone using XChat-2.8.6-maemo5 from extras-devel? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | joyrider__, good, was just wondering because not so many do usb net, wifi is easier | 23:16 |
| joyrider__ | yeah but the wifi connection isn't persistent. i mean it disconnects quickly and i don't like the workaround of pinging www.google.com or something to keep it up :) but hey i'm happy with usbnet and it's just like my gp2x dev setup was :) | 23:17 |
| lcuk | joyrider__, theres a setting for that, mine never disconnects unless i tell it to | 23:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, how would i know, ive got one version or other from extras | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider__: diablo shouldn't require that but derf's acmonitor can ping google automatically | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: by seeing if xchat's version is 2.8.6. | 23:19 |
| derf | Hah, people still use that? | 23:19 |
| joyrider__ | hmm really ? damn couldn't find it though (probably because i got my device in dutch) and until today i didn't had internet on my linux pc either nor wifi. i could change it all now if i wanted but i quite like the setup how it is :) | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | derf: indeed. :) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | 2.8.4 | 23:20 |
| * lcuk will get haxx0red | 23:20 | |
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| joyrider__ | btw about SDL and games, i read that one can't or at least shouldn't use SDL_flip because it does fullscreen updates. Is it that bad to do it ? because i don't notice any major concequences by doing it. but then again the game isn't that demanding either | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You're using the extras version. I've been applying skyhusker's hildonizing patches to 2.8.6 and making improvements of my own to the xchat in extras-devel. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | joyrider__, not bad - try it and if it works for you, great. it just tears | 23:22 |
| lcuk | nice | 23:22 |
| joyrider__ | hmm don't see any tearing either | 23:22 |
| joyrider__ | but i do use a kind of double buffering method | 23:22 |
| joyrider__ | have an extra buffer where i draw everything to then flip then draw it to the screen and flip the scren | 23:23 |
| joyrider__ | screen* | 23:23 |
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| joyrider__ | sorry ment draw to buffer -> draw buffer to screen -> sdl_flip(screen) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:24 |
| Myrtti | hello, I'm stupid. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | officially, or just practicing? | 23:25 |
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| Myrtti | I've been using my 770 since 2006 and I just today realised I could setup ssh keys to my tablet to get passwordless login to my shell provider | 23:25 |
| Myrtti | d'oh. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:25 |
| lcuk | think of all those seconds you couldv saved | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | (my tablet locks itself) | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | yeah... | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | since my passwords are 14 or so chars with special chars | 23:26 |
| joyrider__ | could be my game is just too simple to make it tear have no clue i'm just an average joe hobbyist programmer anyway ;) only started with sdl & linux stuff due to the gp2x | 23:26 |
| keesj | ssh + screen is strong | 23:26 |
| Myrtti | better late than never I guess... | 23:27 |
| lcuk | joyrider__, dont fret really, if the device is doing exactly what you want then PERFECT | 23:27 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, just consider it practice | 23:27 |
| joyrider__ | indeed :) | 23:27 |
| joyrider__ | will have to learn about making packages etc though but the wiki has a nice page about that | 23:27 |
| joyrider__ | it's been really helpfull :) | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | joyrider__, what spec was the gp2x? | 23:30 |
| nameless` | GeneralAntilles, how do i upgrade to diablo ? | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flash | 23:30 |
| lcuk | ~flashing | 23:30 |
| infobot | from memory, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap | 23:30 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 23:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:31 |
| * lbt flashes | 23:31 | |
| lcuk | how comes we have shared keywords? | 23:31 |
| nameless` | GeneralAntilles, do you have a pointer ? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | put it away! | 23:31 |
| nameless` | GeneralAntilles, a howto i mean | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 23:31 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | (for the third time) | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because infobot is in several channels. | 23:31 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:32 |
| nameless` | thanks :) | 23:32 |
| joyrider__ | arm 920t 200mhz (i think it was) as well with 64 ram but the 32mb was reserved, lemme look up a page with the specs | 23:32 |
| joyrider__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X | 23:32 |
| joyrider__ | i think most of the gp2x sdl games for the f200 (the same device but with touch screen support) can be easily ported over the nokia n810 | 23:32 |
| lcuk | joyrider__, are you running at the lower gp2x resolution | 23:32 |
| joyrider__ | no changed that already | 23:33 |
| joyrider__ | to 640x480 (centered on the screen) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | you could do with finding pupnik and seeing who and what you two can get organised gaming wise :) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | that explains why tearing isnt as much of a problem | 23:34 |
| joyrider__ | ah i see so it's only when you do a full screen 800x480 game then ? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | no, its a problem for you as well, but nowhere near as noticable. the refresh from computer memory to lcd hardware occurs too slowly | 23:35 |
| joyrider__ | i see | 23:35 |
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| joyrider__ | anyway really loving the device :) will keep me busy for a while | 23:37 |
| nameless` | once i have the latest diablo arm.bin, where do i put it and how do i install it ? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | nameless`, the page explains it all | 23:39 |
| nameless` | ho sorry yep | 23:39 |
| joyrider__ | i did make one mistake bought myself micro sdhc mem card instead of mini sd, the site where i bought it from wasn't really clear about it. but just orderd a micro -> mini sd adaptor and hope that it'll work | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | dont see why not, i use one myself | 23:41 |
| joyrider__ | ah cool good to know that it'll work | 23:41 |
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| joyrider__ | btw what are good "community" sites about the n8x0 devices ? i already found internet tablet talk | 23:45 |
| nameless` | lcuk, is there a flasher for n810 ? | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing | 23:45 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and ~flashing | 23:46 |
| lcuk | ~flashing | 23:46 |
| nameless` | i know | 23:46 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i think you forgot ~flashing | 23:46 |
| nameless` | but they said Download the Flasher for your platform and tablet model from Nokia's Tablet Dev site | 23:46 |
| nameless` | and then | 23:46 |
| nameless` | on this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ i don't see a flasher for n810 | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: damn! Must be the time of day :) | 23:46 |
| nameless` | just some diablo release | 23:46 |
| * Anidel thinks playing with ubuntu installation has destroyed is diablo installation on the internal flash :( | 23:47 | |
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| thopiekar | niet! to participate in GSoC I should be 18 years old, right? but I'm 17 :| | 23:47 |
| b-man | Anidel: what happened? :( | 23:48 |
| lcuk | lardman|gone, i just noticed: on the tablets-dev page it shows our tablets have a qr code barcode :O | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar: "old date of birth" - 1 year = "date of birth" :p | 23:48 |
| Anidel | not your fault.. I had a different bootmenu installed | 23:48 |
| lfelipe | thopiekar: will you be 18 by the time it ends ? | 23:48 |
| * b-man is 16 | 23:48 | |
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| Anidel | Anyway, to make it short, I rebooted with Diablo into the internal flash and it won't mount neither of my Linux partition (/dev/mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk1p2) | 23:49 |
| thopiekar | 18 at the 6th of December :| | 23:49 |
| Anidel | but weird is that I just reformatted mmcblk1p2 and it won't mount it anyway.. uhm | 23:49 |
| b-man | i'll be 17 next fall | 23:50 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12_N800: is that really allowed? | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar: probably not... :p | 23:50 |
| * b-man is 1 day younger than qwerty12 | 23:50 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:50 |
| * thopiekar gets angry :P | 23:50 | |
| b-man | lol | 23:50 |
| joyrider__ | hmm <- 28 :( | 23:50 |
| Anidel | oh got it.. it won't load the ext[2|3].ko modules | 23:51 |
| b-man | qwerty12: october, 11 is mine :) | 23:51 |
| lcuk | youngsters | 23:51 |
| Anidel | probably it's because now they're the ones from a different kernel? | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: hehe, as you know, 10/10 here :D :) | 23:51 |
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| b-man | :) | 23:52 |
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| Anidel | someone as an ext3 or ext2.ko that can send to me and that I can load into a plain Diablo kernel ? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | Anidel, its in extras i believe | 23:52 |
| Anidel | they are ? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | dont quote me on that tho | 23:53 |
| lcuk | it just sounds familiar | 23:53 |
| lcuk | qwerty will know | 23:53 |
| * thopiekar joins now #gsco to talk with the people about that.. but before that he is going to change his nickname | 23:53 | |
| Anidel | the kernel modules in extras ? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | hes not gone senile yet | 23:53 |
| Anidel | :D | 23:53 |
| Anidel | qwerty12 ? | 23:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Anidel: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 | 23:53 |
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| Anidel | I know | 23:53 |
| Anidel | but they won't load | 23:54 |
| lcuk | e2fslibs - ext2 filesystem libraries | 23:54 |
| lcuk | isnt that it ^ | 23:54 |
| Anidel | don't think so... | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anidel: wait a sec, module dependencies | 23:54 |
| Anidel | different kernel I think qwerty | 23:54 |
| Anidel | it says it can't find a symbol when loading the module | 23:54 |
| Anidel | I've been messing with the ubuntu installation | 23:54 |
| Anidel | and I think they were overwritten ? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | bbl | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anidel: for m in mbcache.ko jbd.ko ext2.ko ext3.ko; do insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/$m; done | 23:56 |
| Anidel | lcuk those are for user space programs | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ahhh anidel, i know i needed em for something :$ | 23:56 |
| * lcuk is still a n00b | 23:56 | |
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| Anidel | why they don't use depmod :D thanks qwerty! | 23:56 |
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| tomeKK1 | hehe there is a way to solve that age problem.. I should be a mentor then.. :PP | 23:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Anidel: I use modprobe on my tablet :) | 23:58 |
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| Anidel | I tried depmod and it wasn't there.. so I thought modprobe won't work | 23:58 |
| b-man | lcuk: i don't consider you one :) | 23:58 |
| Anidel | actually there's no modules.dep file... did you create it ? | 23:58 |
| Anidel | not considering, doesn't measn the reality is different :P :P eheh | 23:59 |
| Anidel | just kidding :) | 23:59 |
| Anidel | well downloading the Ubuntu rootstrap.. I'll untar that one | 23:59 |
| tomeKK1 | hey-- what is actually FOSS? | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anidel: i symlink the modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 to /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 and then grab http://sse2.net/depmod and then do a 'depmod -a' :) | 23:59 |
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