IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-03-10

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Khertan_n810rah !!! i hate php00:03
VDVsxme too :P00:04
VDVsxKhertan_n810, switch to Django :P00:04
Khertan_n810don t have a hoster which offer python on low hosting price00:05
Khertan_n810else i will use my own python framework :)00:05
VDVsxI have this problem too :(00:05
VDVsxbut I usually hijack my university servers :)00:06
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Khertan_n810look at khertan.net00:06
Khertan_n810there is an error 400 on the requested server00:07
Khertan_n810and there is a try catch !00:07
VDVsxthe warning in the left ?00:08
Khertan_n810it s a sadly writted script00:11
Khertan_n810but something i don t understand is why warning is show on a production server00:11
Khertan_n810i think i ve again choose the worst hoster00:11
VDVsxI like your design, very simple :)00:12
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Khertan_n810on nginx the script doesn t made any problem00:14
Khertan_n810but i didn t show warning in the config of nginx on my nit00:14
joyrider--i've read somewhere that we can't use SDL_flip but i just compiled one of my gp2x games (with a few modifications) for the n810 and it doesn't seem to give a problem. Although the game isn't very demanding00:15
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joyrider--so should i change it to not use sdl_flip ?00:15
joyrider--cause it's running without problems as far as i can so00:15
Khertan_n810rah i still don t understand how to not show this stupid warning00:17
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Khertan_n810ok no way to remove warning00:28
* Khertan_n810 will rewrite the method00:28
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vincent___hi there. somebody could help me with a failing scratchbox install ?00:39
vincent___404 on downloading  scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007 (arm)00:40
anidelhi bman00:40
anidelyou're here ?00:40
anidelI mean, actively :)00:40
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wladiI've a problem...anyone know gpg?? ;)00:49
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wladii don't use the public keys for encrypt my mesages...and i use this keys in my pc perfectly...00:51
wladiand don't create a key00:52
anidelb-man I just added a post on your thread abour installing Ubuntu on the tablets:
wladiand don't can** create a key00:52
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Khertan_n810good night everyone00:54
b-mansee ya00:55
anidelg'night Khertan00:55
b-mananidel: yes, you need the deblet bootmenu00:56
anidelhow do I install it ? is as simple as apt-get ?00:56
b-mani'll get you a link, hold on00:56
anidelthanks mate00:56
b-mannp ^^00:57
b-manyou'll need to add the deblet repo00:57
anidelI'll check their homepage00:58
b-manmost of the stuff you'll need is here; ;)00:58
anidelthe deblet repositories are already in the sources.list you make us edit (btw, you write .lst instead of .list)01:01
anidelI need to install also the "installer" dist ?01:02
anidelsorry the "user"01:02
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anidelhow the package's called ?01:04
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b-mananidel: you can get the package directly from here    --sorry for the slow response :(01:13
* b-man needs to eat dinner now, i'll be back01:14
anidelI tried to install it (bootmenu 1 5 2)01:14
anidelbut complains.. ok :) have dinner01:14
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anidelI think I got it, I'll do tomorrow in the morning.. Thanks :) good night01:28
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b-mani'm back :)01:41
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t_s_owho was it that did the evince port to maemo?01:47
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sistot_s_o: Ed Bartosh?01:51
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t_s_oi wonder if it would make any sense to poke him about a update...01:53
sistot_s_o: is it buggy?01:54
t_s_oi ran into a couple of pdfs that shows fine in 2.24, and the osso reader, but that have no text in evince 2.2101:55
t_s_ostill, it could be related to the poppler version used, 0.6.something01:55
t_s_olatest i have installed locally is poppler 0.1001:55
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t_s_oseems the question had been raised in the download comments, about plans for a update01:56
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b-man~seen AndrewFBlack02:34
infobotandrewfblack <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 22m 11s ago, saying: 'Hello'.02:34
* Myrtti yawns02:39
* b-man really needs to contact AndrewFBlack about a server upload problem02:41
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ScreamingN800Wotcher guyz. Who likes OSX? It's latest stupidity...04:12
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ScreamingN800...boils down to "Your car failed to stop. Would you like to force your car to stop?" God YES!!!!04:14
ScreamingN800"Are you SURE you want your car to stop?"04:14
ScreamingN800I really wish programmers(I am one) would think like car makers!04:17
ds3but that is a Friendly Car ;)04:17
ScreamingN800A  DEAD friendly  car?04:18
ds3friendly cars sell; living ones don't ;)04:18
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ScreamingN800Aaaaah! I get it. If your car runs off the road they get to sell another.04:19
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ds3who cares about the pile of dead cars in the ditch... besides, it is good for the economy as tow truck drivers needs to make a living!04:20
ScreamingN800A living? Was that not a dying?04:22
ds3for the tow truck driver!04:22
ds3plus then you also keep food on the table for the worms, for the undertaker, etc.04:22
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ScreamingN800Sauce for the goose is bread and butter for the gander then.04:23
ScreamingN800On topic: Anyone recommend swapping totally from Diablo to mer yet?04:25
ScreamingN800That's a "No" I guess. Seems too be getting pretty close though  My breath is so baited I smell of gorgonzola.04:28
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yigalooh I'm using my new G1, can't wait to rootit and tether with my n80005:49
Sunnydipsso if i allocate 1gb of my card's space to swap will that be like having 1gb ram?05:51
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Sunnydipsis there any downside to doing so?05:53
yigalare the speeds comparable - I know even less than you, also swap isn't used for the exact things ram is, usually I'm out of context here05:54
yigalvirtual ram disk ok05:54
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Sunnydipsidk what u say... lol05:55
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Sunnydipsso it helps some process but not all05:57
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b-mani use it to run Gnome in Ubuntu on my tablet - without it, it would be unusable ;)05:59
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wladihi, anyone can help me?? i have problems with the gpg...06:03
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wladiI can't create a key, and can't encrypt files whit the imports keys06:05
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wladiI have a n810...anyone there??06:08
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bef0rdI have it too06:14
bef0rdoh, sorry, can't help you there, never used gnupg06:14
bef0rdHablo español tambien, pero no he usado nunca gnupg :(06:15
wladithanks, no se como arreglar esto!!06:19
wladibef0rd: como supiste que hablo español?? tan malo es mi ingles, jejeje06:21
bef0rdno.. bueno, si xD ademas, en el whois sale .cl, chile06:21
wladijajajajajaja, toda la razon06:22
bef0rdyo he estado trabajando en la traduccion de varios articulos de la wiki en pero no recuerdo haber hecho nada sobre gpg06:25
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* b-man wishes he could understand spanish XP06:26
torkianowladi: Did you try gpg --gen-key ?06:26
wladiyes, and after the passphrase input I get the error message: "gpg: [Internal]:0: invalid algorithm"06:28
torkianowladi: what strange, maybe a bug?06:30
wladiand when a try whit the import key...the error message is: unusable public key06:31
wladii don't know...meabe is a bug...:S06:33
wladibut, in the n800 is same06:34
wladii think...that i'm the problem06:35
bef0rdcould you try to generate the key on your computer and import it on the n810?06:35
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wladiyes, but when a try whit the import key...the error message is (for encrypt any file): unusable public key06:37
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wladibut, if I want create a key, only for sing (opcion 2), i haven't problem06:41
wladii whit the first (for encrypt)...and only whit this opcion i can encrypt files06:42
wladibut i can't!!06:42
wladibef0rd: thanks!!06:46
bef0rdalthough there's no solution there heh,06:47
bef0rdthat seems to be your problem, the gnupg package that comes with maemo seems to be limited06:47
bef0rdit only allows signing stuff but not encrypting them06:48
wladiso...i can't encrypt wiht gpg in my n810...06:49
bef0rdI could be wrong06:49
wladithanks, i'm reading this page06:54
wladiI will continue trying...more per read and study06:55
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bef0rdI think it'll only work for signing stuff, there are some apps on in the cryptographt section06:59
wladiyes...:( i'm waiting for new version07:04
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wladithanks, I will see into the cryptographt section07:05
bef0rdyep, I read somewhere that osso-gnupg (stripped down version of gnupg) will be replaced by the real thing07:06 the osso-gnupg isn't trustful??07:08
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bef0rderm, what do you mean?07:16
bef0rdstripped down version means that it has less features07:16
wladiyes, but if  be replaced by the real thing...??07:18
bef0rdby the full version of gnupg, with all the features..07:18
wladiok, understand07:19
wladifine, then i wait the next version...07:20
wladithank you!!07:21
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lamohello, i always forget where is the sources.list stored?07:39
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qgillamo: for the next time you forget, searching for 'sources.list' in or gives you the answer  :)07:42
lamoright o but the one in /etc/apt is blank07:43
lamoi want the one the package manager uses07:43
qgillamo: have you tried searching "hildon application manager sources.list" in then?07:45
qgilthe first result I get:
qgilmaybe it's exactly what you're trying to do07:45
lamoi understand its just that the browser on this n810 is way too slow07:45
johnxlamo, ah, well that's a different problem: try the Tear web browser :)07:46
qgil"hildon-application-manager reads a catalogue list out of07:46
qgil/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues (an XML file), and07:46
qgilcreates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list each07:46
RST38hmoo all07:49
johnxm00f RST38h07:49
johnxRST38h, W. T. F.07:51
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johnxs/W/W (Why)/08:06
infobotjohnx meant: RST38h, W (Why). T. F.08:06
RST38hjohnx: Should there be a reason for something like this? =)08:08
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* johnx shakes his head08:09
inz02:18 < CIA-20> Fixes: NB#103954.08:15
inz02:18 < CIA-20> * matchbox/core/mb-window-manager.c: although any window which08:15
inz02:18 < CIA-20> has no parents is considered system-modal, this does not include08:15
inz02:18 < CIA-20> the desktop!08:15
inzsounds like a fun(tm) bug =)08:15
johnxahaha :D08:15
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* RST38h isn't sure desktop should be system moal08:34
RST38hall kinds of weird behaviour changes may occur08:34
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johnxyes, I think the point of the bug is that it *shouldn't* be considered system modal08:35
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johnxmorning StsN801 :)08:49
Stskeepshehe, seems like my tablet knows better than me when i'm at work :P08:49
johnxat work early again today?08:49
Stskeepsfiancée home in the country08:49
Stskeepsuntil sunday so08:50
Stskeepsher company has offices nearby mine so08:50
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johnxinternational moving is expensive :(08:51
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Stskeepsi just wonder how much equipment i have to get rid of if the poland plans goes through08:52
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johnxugh, for me it would be me trying to convince my wife to get rid of her favorite books: not gonna happen08:52
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Stskeepsgive her a kindle? ;p08:53
johnxterrifyingly kindle DRMed ebooks are marginally more expensive than paperbacks it seems...08:54
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Stskeepsbut like i have to change my entire home infrastructure when we move as i don't have sane server rooms anymore, heh09:01
RST38hImaging placing your N8x0 into this09:01
RST38hjohnx: Torrent.09:01
johnxStskeeps, your basement, I-have-to-go-outside-and-reboot, "server room" is *sane*?09:01
Stskeepsjohnx: it's saner than a server-in-my-top-closet09:02
RST38hSts: where are you moving?09:02
johnxwith any luck my next server will be a sheevaplug and my next buildbox will be hundreds of km away09:04
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StskeepsRST38h: possibly poland09:08
* RST38h rotfls a bit09:09
StskeepsRST38h: girlfriend and we own an apartment there, so09:09
RST38hSts: Warsaw?09:10
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RST38hAt least you will be able to track down that insane troll guy and show us the exclusive photos! =)09:12
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* johnx thinks a replacement zaurus might be somewhere in his future :/09:15
Stskeepsheh, the work psychological environment test is sent out in docx, and hence noone can read it with regular university computers09:17
Stskeeps(no 2007 yet, and the filters aren't pervasively installed)09:17
johnxbut how does that make you feel? :D09:18
Stskeepsi ignore it, unreadable format ;)09:18
* johnx is really liking even the "intermediate" panels-on-top in h-d on the zaurus09:19
Stskeepsoh, the new UI stuff?09:19
johnxyeah, but it's kind of halfway if you pull from the repository09:20
Stskeepsdid you apt-get install marquee-plugins?09:20
johnxnope :)09:20
Stskeepswell it helps.09:20
hahloStskeeps: does mer make device hotter than diablo? feels warmer09:20
johnxbeen too busy trying to chase down this random suspend problem my zaurus is having09:20
Stskeepsif it's hildon-desktop-env that pulls in theme and layout and such, drag in marquee-plugins in too09:20
Stskeepshahlo: version?09:20
Stskeepshahlo: and potentially since it scans ..09:20
johnxah, will do09:20
hahlolatest ok09:21
Stskeepshahlo: well, it's probably wifi related.. networkmanager is fairly interesting when it comes to power saving09:21
hahlobut it doesn't melt :) no?09:22
StskeepsThere is -no- warranty. This may blow up your MMC, steal your wife or cause doomsday to come around. But if you find some bugs, please report them on and we'll try to see what we can do to fix the bug causing it.09:23
Stskeepshonestly though, report a bug and state the issue and so on so we can keep track of it :)09:24
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hahlook i try09:25
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* Stskeeps ponders to get some more coffee09:30
Stskeeps~seen wzd09:31
Stskeeps~seen wazd09:31
infoboti haven't seen 'wzd', Stskeeps09:32
infobotwazd <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 14h 26m 52s ago, saying: 'RST38h, yes :)'.09:32
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johnxheh...installed marquee-plugins. That certainly made the topbar thicker :)09:33
Stskeeps yeah, i'm not sure why09:33
Stskeepsit shouldn't09:33
Stskeeps(i had it working in my original patch)09:33
Stskeepsany reactions on the magic X?09:33
johnxsomewhat hard to hit with thumbs on the zaurus, but otherwise. definitely workable09:34
Stskeepsit should be as wide as the app icon09:35
johnxah, I should say the 'x' in the dropdown list is hard to hit09:35
johnxit's easy to get the menu but kind of a pain to actually kill an app09:35
Stskeepswell we can look into that i guess09:35
lirithere are open positions for Nokia's Maemo team ->
Stskeepsyeah, a fair bit09:35
johnxalways a a tough balance to make it easy to kill an app, but not *too* easy :)09:36
Stskeepsliri: i'd probably apply but i need to finish my masters degree first :)09:37
johnxthose are all a little over my head :)09:37
johnxneed any mid-level sys admins?09:37
Stskeepshm, Maemo Update09:38
Stskeepsjohnx: maybe if the X was bigger ?09:39
johnxyeah, that'd do it09:39
johnxI'm still deciding if one click to close an app is best, or if two clicks is ok09:40
Stskeepswell, definately not any more accidential closures09:40
Stskeepsand there's a fast app switcher at hand09:40
johnxexcept when switching...09:40
Stskeepsthere is already really - minimize09:40
Stskeepsbut anyway, this current implementation is up for discussion :)09:41
Stskeepsif we don't provoke people a little they won't engage :>09:41
johnxI think a vote might be the right venue, with exactly two choices: x in the top right of the panel or x in the fast app switcher dropdown09:42
Stskeepshehe, yeah09:42
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johnxeep! xchat: 16MB RES on startup09:47
Stskeepsbut anyway, the new layout helps on 640x?09:49
johnxyeah. I still have two bars but it's lots better09:49
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johnxnow if my zaurus would stop randomly suspending ...09:49
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johnxwhat is xchat linked against to make it 25MB RES...09:50
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johnxwell, it's settled down at 21MB RES or *1/3 of the RAM*09:53
johnxnot very background friendly09:54
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* Stskeeps still ponders wtf to do with his two disk arrays when moving10:00
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liriStskeeps: apply apply... I'm sure you'll do wonders :)10:00
johnxyou moving by car?10:00
johnxnot so bad then10:00
Stskeepsjohnx: problem isn't so much the transporting, the problem is how to integrate it into the apartment and avoid having it on all the time :P10:01
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johnxyeah, suppose so. small apartment?10:01
Stskeepsmm, not a place where you can put my server at least10:02
Stskeepsbut not a small-ish apartment10:02
johnxis your server a rackmount or something?10:03
Stskeepsnah, more like noisy10:03
johnxah. there's always that10:03
johnxI'm really looking forward to something fanless I must say10:03
murraycI am eager to have an Atom-based fanless server, but they don't seem quite widespread enough yet.10:08
johnxARM is where it's at :)10:08
johnxoff to work!10:10
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gomiambtw, I keep wondering... will Fremantle work on N8xx?10:23
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Stskeepsgomiam: not with an officially supported version, but Mer will hopefully fill that void, and provide Fremantle APIs10:24
Stskeepsand if Nokia actually succeeds in getting OMAP2 MBX drivers, we might actually get some of the UI too10:24
gomiamdoes Mer provide multitouch to N8xx?10:25
Stskeepswell, as far as i know Fremantle doesn't have multitouch :P10:25
gomiamStskeeps: oh. I don't understand, then how anybody will be able to play Frets on Fire on Maemo :)10:26
Stskeepson Maemo5 on beagleboard or on RX-51 probably.10:26
Stskeepsin this example it was in SDK i think10:26
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gomiamoh, ok, thanks :)10:29
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floriangood morning10:50
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Stskeepsmorning X-Fade10:56
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Stskeepshmm. USB charging possibility10:59
* Stskeeps would love that.10:59
X-FadeStskeeps: Very likely for RX-51.11:00
X-FadeMost phone makers have now signed an agreement to introduce that.11:01
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* RST38h moos11:07
* timelE61i chuckles11:07
timelE61inokia devies had already been using usb charging11:07
infobottimelE61i meant: nokia devices had already been using usb charging11:07
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X-FadetimelE61i: They were certainly not the first ;)11:08
* timelE61i shrugs11:08
* Stskeeps has much fun trying to design a new apartment where beagleboard(s), a 770, n800, asus wl-500gp, etc. 11:08
* timelE61i fines sts for lack of a verb11:09
Stskeepsyeah, happens :P11:09
* timelE61i considers waking up11:10
RST38hAnother indication of no more Diablo updates:
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RST38h*timelE61i* do you use those flowers as tea leaves? <Tue Mar 10 05:15>11:18
timelE61itHe timestamp means your client is /away11:18
RST38h<what was that about? hmm>11:19
timelE61iAnd the *-*s mean it's a private message11:19
RST38hYou got it opposite. My client is always /away because I like seeing timestamps.11:19
JaffaMorning, all11:19
timelE61iWell, go read your away message11:20
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RST38hAh, those flowers.... No, all necessary substances are produced in my body naturally, as a byproduct of metabolism.11:21
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floriantimeless: I don't share your opinion about maps.11:33
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timelE61iever translated it?11:43
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RST38h"SCP personal below Level 3 are now banned from handling SCP-500. This is not to be used to cure a hangover. Get AIDS and then ask permission."11:45
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RST38h"The entire AI was on a well-worn, but still workable cassette tape."11:52
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zapRST38h: "SCP-1021  Object is an Apple Inc brand portable media player [...] Carbon dating suggests the object is 430-440 years old" har-har, does ipod have any carbon in it? :)12:01
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RST38hzap: You need 14C for carbon dating afaik and yes, it does12:03
zapisnt it made of alluminium?12:04
RST38hit's made of various shit12:04
lcuki thought you were talking about ipod, not the zune12:04
zapwhats that schisophrenic site?12:04
RST38has the company is US based though, it is made of aluminum, not aluminium =)12:04
RST38hzap: Best waste of time I have seen in the last 3 months12:04
RST38hzap: English version of Piknik na Obochine =)12:05
dnearyHi all12:06
dnearyWant to know the results?12:06
dnearylcuk: The top 3 favourite Simpsons characters... care to make a guess before looking?12:06
StskeepsSkinner for Council Chair? :P12:06
lcukbart homer lisa12:07
RST38hdneary: Ok, who isn't gonna make it?12:07
lcukStskeeps, we already have jaffa12:07
dnearylcuk: 2 out of 3 ain't bad12:07
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dnearyRST38h: Guess dude12:07
* lcuk voted for ones which said BASS downwards just because it was a random poll might as well add order to it12:08
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RST38hBTW I have not voted yet12:09
RST38hNever got the email12:09
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lcukthen you miss out and if apu becomes council member its YOUR fault12:09
lcuklol actually @ apu running the ovi app store :D12:10
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RST38hdneary: Where do I vote?12:11
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dnearyRST38h: The test election's closed12:11
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* RST38h does not know who apu is but is already scared12:11
RST38hAh it was a test election... No problem then12:12
dnearyWe got about 30 ballots, which wasn't really enough to have a realistic type of election, everyone was bunched around 3 or 4 votes after the 2 most popular12:12
RzRany of you played along qemu + arm ?12:12
dnearylcuk: Bart, Apu, Smithers, Someone else?12:12
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dnearylcuk: I was originally going to make it "who is your favourite staff member?" but thought that would be a bit close to home :)12:13
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RST38hmoorning lardman12:21
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lbtmorning all...  I'm having a problem with dpkg-shlibdeps:  any ideas?12:31
RST38hlbt: missing Depends line somewhere? =)12:31
Stskeepsmaybe qt45-demos ought to depend on qt scriptools package or something?12:32
lbtmost of the dpkg-shlibdeps work12:32
lbtthis isn't picking up deps12:32
lbton stuff I just built12:33
lbtI tried a manual run with -S12:33
lbtand setting LD_...PATH12:33
Stskeepsmm, that's usually bound to mess things up though12:33
Stskeepsbbl lunch12:34
lardmanany Nokians about?12:38
lardmanthe site is broken12:39
lardmanand at a slight tangent, it appears Ti have removed the DSP toolchain completely now (too old I guess)12:40
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wazdhello everybody!12:49
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lardmanhi wazd12:52
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Stskeepswazd: i have artwork job for you12:53
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Stskeepswazd: , see screenshots12:54
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Stskeeps(read: i actually implemented your UI mockup.)12:55
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Jaffalo wazd13:00
* Jaffa really looks forward to seeing an artowkred version of the Mer UI13:00
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lcukwazd, i hope you have had a nice break lol.13:07
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lcuklardman, the dspgateway stuff, is that the omap2 toolchain you normally use, or the newer one?13:08
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lardmanI think it was called a toolchain for the OMAP1 actually13:10
lardmansame one as I used for the 770 anyway13:10
lardmanSomeone is trying to get started right now, so he'll report back if one of the newer toolchains works13:10
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wazdok, thats actually looks very nice13:15
Stskeepswe do however need some better icons than my bullshit ones :)13:16
Stskeepsand marquee background13:17
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Stskeepsmorning b-man13:17
b-manhello Stskeeps :)13:17
wazdbut there's 1 mistake13:19
wazdlast icon in a row is load-applet I suppose13:19
wazdit's statusbar applet13:20
Stskeepsyeah, i would really prefer the statusbar applets to go right to left13:20
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wazdStskeeps: yes, exactly13:20
Stskeepsthe amount of applications shown vs statusbar applets shown is adjustable btw13:21
Stskeepsright now it's 1/3 apps, 2/3 statusbar applets13:21
wazdStskeeps: I think it's better to set exact numbers of items :) Like 6/4 7/3 and so on :)13:21
Stskeepsyeah, but it is difficult when it has to be resolution independent code13:22
Stskeepsand it has to match up with the other elements13:22
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wazdStskeeps: can it calculate available numbers of items, like for example (*resolution width*-150)/40 ?13:24
Stskeepsyeah, that's what it does13:24
Stskeepslook at desktop layout wiki page :)13:24
RST38h"SCP-343, colloquially nicknamed "God" by the staff here, looks like an older man, although his features are different to each observer."13:25
RST38hwazd: Got some news13:25
wazdRST38h: moo :)13:25
wazdStskeeps: so what's the problem with showing this number to user?)13:26
Stskeepswazd: hehe, it is configurable so we'll look into it when we have artwork in place :)13:26
wazdStskeeps: and making some volumebar or seekbar to setup the ratio13:26
Stskeepswazd: anyway, if you have time to work on the icons mentioned in the wiki page (sizes are described) and a 18x52 repeating background for the marquee it would be really interesting13:27
RST38hwazd: 1. TI83+ works and needs a skin 2. TI82 also works (incredibly) and also needs a skin13:27
RST38hwazd: 3. I had to start on an iphone-like selection menu because having so many icons in the app menu is just insane (need the menu image)13:27
RST38hwazd: 4. Weird two-vertical-lines character is actually quotation marks :)13:28
wazdRST38h: Well, Ti83+ skin is already done)13:28
RST38hwazd: And, finally, this: will kill your productivity for a week in advanc3e13:28
RST38h[out for lunch]13:30
qgilX-Fade: hi, how is it possible that made it when there are unmet dependencies?13:30
X-Fadeqgil: Because the package 'cheated'.13:31
X-Fadeqgil: It is a python package, which needs no compilation.13:31
X-Fadeqgil: But it doesn't tell it requires python.13:32
wazdRST38h: I actually don't know what's "iPhone like selection menu" :) That sliding tj the right thing?)13:32
qgilI see13:32
wazdStskeeps: ok, got the task will do :)13:32
qgilthanks X-Fade13:32
Stskeepswazd: also, i was wondering, <- why isn't this actually filling the entire thing?13:33
Stskeepsi mean, underneath marquee13:33
X-Fadeqgil: Obviously, something needs to be done to prevent things like that from happening ;)13:33
X-FadeI just don't know what..13:33
Stskeepswazd: s/why isn't/why not/13:33
qgilanyway, fwiw I can see gPodder and rootsh available to be installed in the application manager after activating fremantle extras-devel13:33
lcukx-fade, is there something like a python grammar check that you can force things through13:34
lcukie something not for compiling, but for validating13:34
X-Fadelcuk: I think his control file doesn't tell anything about 'make'.13:34
X-FadeSo it gets copied, just like it was a documentation package or something like that.13:34
lcukahhh similar to a language pack13:35
lcukmight be worth checking how other distros do it13:35
qgilat least in real life a package like this would never make it to extras-testing13:35
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X-FadeYeah, it would not get 'promoted'13:36
qgilbecause someone like me would vote -1 or flag "doesn't build" or file a blocker bug13:36
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lcukin the production system python would normally exist would it not13:36
X-Fadelcuk: Sure, but it is not available _yet_ ;)13:37
X-FadeOnce the indt guys upload python, we are ready ;)13:37
lcukyeah, thats what im saying though, qgil saying they wouldnt make it isnt right, they will and people wont care because they will work.  expidite python into fremantle?13:37
X-FadeWell python is not an officially supported runtime, yet.13:38
X-FadeIt is community supported through Extras.13:38
X-FadeI would imagine that one day it will be included in the sdk by default.13:38
lardmanI thought part of the masterplan was for it to be supported?13:39
lcukbased on number of apps using it, the sooner the better ;)13:39
lcukbbl anyway13:39
X-FadeBut if it is in Extras from the start, the result is about the same.13:39
X-FadeAs long as it is available.13:40
lcuk+1 but im not here :P13:42
GAN800lardman, not yet13:44
lardmanX-Fade: sure, I was just remembering that talk at the summit13:45
lardmanthough I was standing by the bar, so my memory may be slightly clouded ;)13:45
X-Fadelardman: doesn't mention it.13:47
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wazdStskeeps: well, if you're talking bout the mer menu then I don't know, I have it fullscreen in my last mockups :)13:50
Stskeepswazd: ah, so that is what the mer menu is13:50
Stskeepsi just got confused by the tasks bar really13:51
Stskeepswazd: what do you think about the x menu?13:51
wazdStskeeps: well, it's tricky13:51
Stskeepsit would be more useful with bigger x'es i guess13:51
wazdStskeeps: on the one hand it's a good handy idea13:51
wazdStskeeps: and it eliminates large taskswitcher from mer menu13:52
GAN800The X's need to be easier to hit. I end up closing channels in XChat instead of removing email notifications half the time.13:53
wazdStskeeps: but on the other user would expect app to close on cross-tap, not to open some  another task switcher13:53
Stskeepswazd: yeah, but on the other hand, Windows Mobile has a completely different view on X for instance13:54
Stskeepsand i often accidentially close stuff13:54
Stskeepswhen i normally don't want to13:54
Stskeeps(cos i hit close instead of minimize)13:54
wazdStskeeps: WinMo is not the best example to follow xD13:54
Stskeepsof course not13:54
Stskeepsi hate WM's way :)13:54
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wazdStskeeps: I don't think that you use "minimize" button very often on a mobile device13:55
wazdStskeeps: you switch to the app directly13:55
wazdStskeeps: I don't even use minimize on the desktop)13:56
wazdStskeeps: win+D only :)13:56
Stskeepsi think it would be useful to see how it could be done, and potentially remove it.. i just wonder where the hell we would put the overflow of applications otherwise13:56
wazdStskeeps: yep, it would be interesting to see how it would behave13:56
Stskeepsi think we might put it in 0.10, and put up a "Love the X or hate the X" poll ;)13:57
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wazdStskeeps: mm, I saw nice kinetic scrolling in fremantle prealphas. is it crappy on the old hardware?13:57
Stskeepsthe file chooser?13:57
Stskeepshmm, i think it would be better if our X server was faster13:58
lcukyo dawg, i heard you loved the X, so i put an X on your X so you can close your close button :D13:58
wazdor minimize it)13:58
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wazdStskeeps: So I should draw separate elements of the UI, right?)14:01
Stskeepsyeah, the icons14:01
Stskeepsthat's first step at least14:01
Stskeepsbecause then we can start seeing the quirks in theme14:02
RST38hwazd: "iPhone like selection menu" is a black background with 3x5 icons, each 100x100 pixels in size14:05
RST38hwazd: the icons should represent calc models (82,83,83+,85,86 right now), one icon to reset the calc and one icon for exit14:06
RST38hwazd: I have got the code working, as for the image it is all up to you :)14:06
RST38hwazd: you have got ti83+ skin somewhere? =)14:06
wazdRST38h: ahh14:07
wazdRST38h: got it14:07
wazdRST38h: I have it on my mini, sister still got it kidnapped :)14:07
wazdRST38h: I'll send it to you asap14:07
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lcuklunch today: jacket potato with cheese n beans, and a 1litre bottle of vodka!14:17
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lcuktotal price: £2 :)14:17
glassnot bad14:18
glassdoes the vodka bottle have a cap thats resealable?14:18
lcukyeah screw top vladivar blue14:19
glassi thought that the plastic cups with a rip-off lid were hilarious in estonia(1dl in size)14:19
lcukim waiting for vodka with a sport top14:20
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glasslcuk: sport top? you just rip it off and it doesn't go back?14:21
glasslcuk: they got those in russia14:21
RST38hwazd: Thanks! The MATRX button is wrong (I think)14:21
glassthats quite the opposite then14:22
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Stskeepslo zenvoid14:22
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Stskeepszenvoid: think i might have found the key to the theme issue14:23
RST38hwazd: The image you have got is TI83+SE, TI83+ is here:
zenvoidStskeeps, insted of getting rid of the home titlebar, have you considered the posibility of getting rid of the whole hildon-desktop? :)14:23
Stskeepszenvoid: once or twice and at the same time, learning QT.14:24
Stskeepsyeah, i saw it14:24
Stskeepsbut i think it would be helpful to adoption to have hildon stuff working, as in, with home applets and such, and not stray too far from fremantle in the standard setup, but allow flexibility14:25
Stskeepszenvoid: anyhow. with the new hildon-desktop i just put in, it is a matter of commenting out rc/hildonhome.rc in the layout14:28
Stskeepsthen it doesn't heed the home status bar background anymore14:28
Stskeepsand we can probably remove it from gfx too if need be14:28
Stskeepsand then in data/theme.xml set title height to 014:29
zenvoidyes it would be helpful to adopt it for compatibility with applets, though14:30
zenvoidgot rid of the hildon_home_titlebar_* calls in hildon_home_window.c?14:30
Stskeepsthere's a gconf schema i forgot to commit14:30
Stskeepsbut it is in there now14:30
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Stskeepsi also had marquee height set wrong14:31
Stskeeps(armel still building)14:31
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zenvoidthere are some things that should be removed in the template and the theme-layout, but most important now is to add the missing parts for the marquee14:34
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Stskeepswazd has started working on the icons14:34
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Stskeepsso we just need some nice way to include them into template.svg/png i guess14:35
zenvoidyes, and then remove all the unused things14:35
zenvoidthe file data/layout.txt should be changed, be warned that it is a really boring task to adjust this file :)14:37
Stskeepsthat's just the positions where to cut isn't it?14:38
zenvoidyes, a lot of coordinates for the pieces14:38
zenvoidbtw, what does it mean the qgn_plat_ prefix?14:38
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Stskeepsnot sure14:46
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lcukzenvoid, the qgn_ prefixes were discussed the other day14:48
lcuki dunno if a resolution was found14:49
lcuksome folks thought  it was quim gil something or other, but afaik quim wasnt around when this lot started14:49
zenvoidso nobody really knows what they mean XD14:50
lcuklost in the mists of time, it appears as though they come from other nokia departments as well14:50
sp3000I used categories in appmgr for the first time today, whil playing with themes14:51
sp3000I thought this would be worth an announcement14:51
lcukie from symbian:
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* lcuk ponders downing the whole litre bottole of vodka this afternoon14:54
timsamofflcuk makes my people proud. ;)14:55
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lcukahhh tim, the voice of experience, should i have the whole bottle or just part of it?14:55
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timsamoffI'd wager that just a prt would be plenty... And mix it with something. Don't want to waste the night feeling like a turd.14:56
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zenvoidStskeeps: hildon-liberty-theme looks different in Mer than in diablo, there are some glitches and many unthemed widgets. No idea of what is the cause14:56
lcukheh, i should be ok to have about half then.  i dont think my boss will notice too much14:57
* hahlo wish all the linux installers were like merinstaller, just click click inside windows14:59
lcukhahlo, gentoo has a similar install system15:01
Stskeepszenvoid: yeah.. we'll figure it out eventually. maybe because of lacking icons15:02
Stskeepswe don't exactly have osso-icons so15:03
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kartik_rustagiHi, I am interested in working for maemo in this year's Gsoc15:09
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lcukkartik_rustagi, are you the same one google gives results for regarding evince development?15:12
kartik_rustagiI did submit a patch to evince last year regarding .cb715:12
zenvoidStskeeps: I'm doing an "apt-get upgrade" inside the virtualbox image, my scratchbox installation is currently dead :)15:13
lcukok, im not sure if you are too late, check the maemo wiki for gsoc stuff15:13
Stskeepszenvoid: should be safe15:13
jeremiah_kartik_rustagi: Yeah, the wiki has more info on GSoC, and I don't think it is too late15:14
lcukvdvsx  (i think thats his nick) has been pushing this, but i just heard someone asking about evince coding the other day - you might be compatible and have a chance of doing something???15:14
kartik_rustagilcuk, I did and I am interested in working for the 'Barcode Scanner'15:14
lcuklardman|lunch, come off lunch15:14
lcukspeak to him ^15:14
lcukback later15:15
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Stskeeps'lo jeremiah_ :)15:15
jeremiah_Hello Stskeeps! And everyone else15:15
Stskeepszenvoid: apt-get install marquee-plugins is a good idea too15:15
kartik_rustagiWe had a presentation in our in college from maemo India team15:15
jeremiah_I had a hardware failure which is why I havne't been around much last few days15:15
RST38hmoo jeremiah15:15
jeremiah_Hey RST38h! How goes it?15:16
zenvoidI'm getting used to typing with a spanish keyboard and an english keyboard layout :)15:16
RST38hwhich part of your hardware broke? did it require surgery? =)15:16
RST38hjeremiah: meeting15:16
jeremiah_Oh no big deal, just the motherboard15:16
kartik_rustagiHas any other student started working for the 'Barcode Scanner' listed on
jeremiah_I was just in the #maemo-meeting channel, seems quiet15:17
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RST38hjeremiah: It is abandoned except for official meetings15:24
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Stskeepsdanielwilms: good idea with the introduction post :)16:06
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X-Fadedanielwilms: No full content in your feed ;)16:10
danielwilmsX-Fade: saw that...but it is in the content field of the feed...don't know how to tell wordpress to put it into the description field16:12
danielwilmsX-Fade: there's only the option show full text in feed....hmmm...have to figure it out how to change that :)16:13
X-FadeYeah, I think it needs a change on our side..16:14
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wazdRST38h: Can you give me a list of available emuls now?16:16
etrunko_lapwallpaper goodness16:16
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danielwilmsX-Fade: ok, otherwise tell me when I should have a further look on my side16:20
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timsamoffetrunko_lap: Nice. ;)16:24
etrunko_laptimsamoff: yeah16:25
* Jaffa should redo to involve Maemo and Mer somehow16:25
timsamoffJaffa: Haha! :D16:25
decosomeone at bossa right now ?16:25
etrunko_laptimsamoff: : asked glaubert for this16:26
etrunko_lapand he also provided a nice oo.o presentation template16:26
etrunko_lapdeco: sure16:26
etrunko_lapI'll upload my slides somewhere16:26
timsamoffetrunko_lap: glaubert roacks. ;)16:26
etrunko_laptime to sign up for slideshare16:26
decothe internet is kinda lazy, isnt ?16:27
decoim going nut16:27
etrunko_lapJaffa: LOL16:27
* Jaffa would like to see all the presentations at the next summit use a common template wherever possible (i.e. let's have HTML, OOo, PPT, Keynote formats on
etrunko_lapJaffa: time to start it then16:27
etrunko_lapi have the artwork16:28
JaffaNot mandataed, of course. But would be nice, I think.16:28
etrunko_lapdon't know how to properly create a template16:28
kyndea quick question, how to wake the screen up from software? send some d-bus signal somewhere, but where? (talking about a C application here)16:28
* Jaffa did with his OOo presentation for the summit, thinking it might do that - but I ain't no designer16:28
etrunko_lapall i do is to set background pictures and so16:28
zenvoidStskeeps: the evil home titlebar is still there16:28
lcukif people know early enough there will be a machine capable of playing back all those formats it would be easier, its not so much formatting that killed people it was getting it working16:29
Stskeepszenvoid: hmm,s ec16:29
Jaffaetrunko_lap: I'd suggest we come up with a master (say in OOo) and then produce variants in different formats (S5 etc)16:29
timsamoffJaffa, etrunko_lap: I liked the background I cam up with, but... I'm all for other versions. ;)16:30
Stskeepszenvoid: ah, i think i forgot a dh_gconf in h-d16:30
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zenvoidStskeeps: has the hildon-desktop package at all changes?16:31
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Stskeepsbuilding mer2116:32
Jaffatimsamoff/etrunko: I like mostly white backgrounds for the content, but with a whizzy title. A faded version of that wallpaper could also make a good content background16:33
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timsamoffJaffa: Agreed. Dark backgrounds can be tough -- especially with bad projectors. :-/16:33
Stskeepszenvoid: easy fix is gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/titlebar/hide true; gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/hildon/homewindow/menu/hide true16:34
JaffaOK, here is the template I used: - etrunko_lap it may get you up to speed.16:34
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Jaffaetrunko_lap: if you put some of the artwork online ( perhaps?), I'll start the conversation rolling on-community16:35
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etrunko_lapJaffa: ok16:36
etrunko_lapi'll export the pictures and upload16:36
Stskeepszenvoid: mer21 uploaded16:38
* zenvoid trying the easy fix ;)16:39
kyndefound it, from an obvious source libosso, sorry to have bothered, I managed to overlook it at my first glance...16:39
Stskeepszenvoid: you'll prolly have to /etc/init.d/auto-startx restart at least16:39
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zenvoidStskeeps: I restarted the whole virtual machine, thanks for pointing the auto-startx script :D16:40
StskeepsRST38h: is that the carnate form of that windows 3d screensaver with the pipes?16:42
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zenvoidStskeeps: the home titlebar is dead :) so, there was no need to change libhildondesktop sources, just a gconf setting?16:44
Stskeepsaye, it was a u-m patch i had forgotten to activate16:45
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RST38hSts: I do suspect that the screensaver is the result of this artefact getting to some optic cable and spreading...16:56
StskeepsRST38h: hehe16:57
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dlnhi have n800 working as my touchpad, but it's pain to try to click on anything small. is there some thing i can use to lay my computer screen on n800 screen? i see there's xtv, but can i force its window fullscreen?17:01
Stskeepsvnc with resize patch? maybe17:02
dlnhok it would help a lot if i didn't need to install anything on n800 but i'll look into that17:03
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RST38hHmmm, the iPhone prototype UI looked like StarTrek PADD....17:12
Stskeepsdoesn't all prototype tablet UIs do that initially?17:12
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RST38hSts: No idea, although my internal sceptic says "no?17:13
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zenvoidStskeeps: do you know if the layout package for hildon-theme-mobile-basic is public? looks it is not17:25
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lcukRST38h, not stopping,  that iphone test thing has a playground o_O17:41
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RST38hlcuk: You mean, you are slowly progressing toward iPhone-like UI with liqbase? B)17:54
Stskeepszenvoid: don't think they have one17:54
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lcukRST38h, they had more manpower than me :p18:01
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zenvoidStskeeps: do you think each pixmap icon has been drawn individually?18:01
* RST38h wonders what that guy was thinking about18:01
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RST38hMaking another color matching game for freaking $32k (!), selling it at $5 apiece through a mightily crowded site18:04
johnx_most of that money is probably his 'small salary'18:06
RST38hhe hired contractors to write it18:07
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johnx_ah. I didn't quite catch that. just skimmed the article ...18:12
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Stskeepszenvoid: as in they prolly used something like theme maker18:40
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VDVsxlardman, the GSoC students really like the maemo-barcode idea, 4 students contact me about this till now :)19:07
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lardmanVDVsx: good stuff19:08
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woglindevdvsx hehe good19:08
lardmanVDVsx: so I suppose wrapping the barcode functionality would be a good thing, so people can use it in their apps19:09
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GAN800lardman, gotta fix the name. . . .19:09
lardmanyeah I know19:10
lardmanany suggestions19:10
VDVsxlardman, yup, this can be used also in other linux systems19:10
lardmanwell the actual processing code is largely pulled from other projects anyway, other than derf's re-written QR code handler19:11
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derfMy code turned out not to be so much of a re-write.19:11
lardmanah ok19:11
derfAs a "throwing all that code away and starting over".19:11
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lardmancomplete re-write then :)19:11
derfI told the guy his Reed-Solomon decoder was totally broken, too. I don't know if he ever fixed it.19:12
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woglindehi qwerty19:13
lardmanthe question then, is whether these functions need to be wrapped up in something like the Zebra Xing library19:13
derfThat's probably a good idea.19:13
qwerty12hey woglinde19:13
derfThere's no reason for them to be tied to the UI, or to maemo in particular.19:13
woglindelardman is there an easy tutorial for the n8xx dsp programming?19:13
lardmancertainly the Python programmers would like some interface, and we should probably try to write a rough guess algorithm to decide what type of code is in view19:14
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lardmanwoglinde: not really, wiki page should give you some basics, then I can point you at some basic code19:14
woglindelardman yes would be nice19:14
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lardmanwoglinde: though the toolchain name is not right any more19:15
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VDVsxlardman, python bindings are easy to archive with cython or pyrex19:15
lardmanwoglinde: also the DSP Gateway download page is broken, though hopefully they'll fix it as I've emailed someone about it19:15
lardmanVDVsx: yes19:16
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* thopiekar is searching for a summer job.. do you now here he could earn some money in his holidays? [Germany]19:17
woglindethanks lardman19:17
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lardmanwoglinde: I was talking to someone today, I think the best bet for the toolchain is cg55x_4_3_1 from
lardmanI need to test and update the wiki19:18
Stskeepslo qwerty1219:18
VDVsxthopiekar, if you are a student you can try Google summer of code :)19:19
lardmanSo, how do we establish what the library calls should look like?19:20
qwerty12hi Stskeeps19:20
derfVDVsx, lardman: Where is maemo-barcode's GSoC idea?19:20
lcuknick the api from an existing barcode library and let people scratch heads for years to come about how to use it ;)19:20
lardmanderf: I think there's a page on the wiki somewhere19:20
derfYes, I was hoping someone had a link.19:21
woglindelardman hm it works with push and pop19:21
lardmanlcuk: yeah except this is 4 sets of code, we should standardise it19:21
derfVDVsx: Thanks.19:21
thopiekarVDVsx: I don't understand GSoC really.. If I would work for the project maemo.. I have to do what?19:22
lardmanwell you could just do like the rest of us and work on it19:22
VDVsxthopiekar, start here:
lardmanDo the GSoC students get paid to work?19:22
lcuklardman, same front end, you want to accept a bitmap of data and return a token from the function19:22
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lcukdoes the calling program care what kind of barcode it found?19:23
VDVsxplus book and t-shirts19:23
lcukor are you making the whole thing available for the client to deal with19:23
thopiekar.. we can...19:23
lardmanlcuk: it probably ought to, otherwise not worth wrapping it in a library19:23
lcuklardman, xml result set which can be processed as required?19:24
lardmanpah, xml19:24
thopiekarsome of the descriptions are very interesting..19:24
lcukso the client could feasibly do something with the isbn if found19:24
lardmanlcuk: web-lookup should be part of the library then? I'd say not, or at least not the same library19:24
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lcukxml is worthwhile for many things, and since its a universal lookup19:24
VDVsxlardman, agree19:24
thopiekar"Bittorrent plugin for Canola" - maybe the python-bittorrent module would be useful..19:25
lcuklardman, it depends if your library is having any ui or not19:25
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lardmanlcuk: yes, but at the moment you can just call a single fn and it will return the barcode to you, not much need for a wrapper19:25
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derfI think it would be a lot of fun to do something like OpenCV from an embedded perspective (no floating point, minimize memory usage), but who has the time...19:25
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lardmanderf: +119:25
lcuklardman, sure there is: what kind of barcode was it, is the code matching, what about original vs baked code?19:25
thopiekarVDVsx: when will they start with it?19:26
woglindedef opencv with wthe dsp?19:26
woglindeups derf I meant19:26
derfwoglinde: Not the dsp necessarily.19:26
VDVsxthopiekar, the coding ? mid may19:26
derfBut even on ARM, floating point sucks.19:26
woglindederf hm?19:26
derfIt's very slow.19:26
woglindewith neon it should be fine19:26
thopiekarVDVsx: so they are not starting as i have my holidays?19:27
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ccookederf: "even on"? Most ARM chips in embedded environments don't have an FPU19:27
lcukcurrently in liqbase ive got a barcode button, it does nothing at all yet but can be made to pass in a bitmap to any function.  the same button can be used from the camera module as well.  however the app that comes up post processing - should that simply be a binary with a code as a parameter?19:27
VDVsxthopiekar, no, all the student have the same schedule19:27
derfccooke: Yes, that too.19:27
derfThe N800's does, but that doesn't mean it's fast.19:27
derfIt's just faster than software emulation.19:28
lcukill talk later, driving back19:28
derfIt's still slowe than dedicated fixed-point code.19:28
VDVsxderf, the opencv idea was proposed by a nokian :)19:28
woglindebye lcuk19:28
lardmanlcuk: ok19:28
ccookederf: ... well, yes. Floating point is orders of magniture more complex than integers.19:28
derfVDVsx: Well, it's not the first time I've thought about it.19:28
thopiekarVDVsx: thanks for the info... do I have to send something like a letter of application?19:29
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VDVsxdeejoe, and someting is already done, I think, let me check19:29
ccookederf: However, that's no reason to say that they suck. They solve the problem they're intended to solve very well.19:29
VDVsxthopiekar, all the info is in the link that I sent19:29
derfmaemo-barcode would benefit substantially from being able to re-use OpenCV code... but it's not designed for an embedded platform.19:29
lardman~lart ActiveX19:29
* infobot throws ActiveX's poor little doggy off a cliff19:29
ccookeUsing floating point for something where fixed point is faster *where you don't need the range that floating point gives you* could be described as sucking, I guess.19:30
thopiekarVDVsx: k thanks again :)19:30
derfSome day I will be able to have a conversation in this channel without getting into a philosophical debate.19:30
derfVDVsx: I'm not saying you can't compile it for maemo.19:30
VDVsxI know :)19:30
derfThat's not the same thing as it being any good.19:30
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VDVsxderf, the rx-51 will have a super fast FPU :)19:31
ccookeVDVsx: Oh? Haven't heard much about floating point performance on the cortex. What's known?19:31
derfWell, that is the other reason I don't want to do it. Faster hardware will eventually obviate the need.19:32
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VDVsxccooke, nothing :( just kidding19:32
lardmanccooke: it's not that fast according to the Pandora people19:32
derfThen again, I thought that back in the 386 days, and here we are, with all the same problems on smaller devices.19:32
ccookeOh, well19:32
lardmanin fact I seem to remember seeing that the n810 was faster19:32
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lardmanthere's a thread on the Pandora forums with some benchmark data, I'll look for a linky19:33
z4chhwhat do you guys think of a mythtv plugin as a gsoc proposal for maemo org, canola mentor? im a student btw o.o19:33
johnx_plays glquake2 fast enough with no real optimizations19:33
ccookez4chh: sounds a great idea.19:33
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lardmanmight be of interest re floating point (and first one overall speed fp and integer)19:34
Stskeepsevening johnx_19:35
lardmanhey johnx_19:35
z4chhccooke, thanks, i know there are already apps out there to do mythtv stuff..but why not make a great app, greater? >.<19:35
rmt_The rx-51 will have freakin' lasers on its head, baby!19:36
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lardmancu all later on19:39
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Stskeepszenvoid: how's it going with it?19:40
johnx_hey Stskeeps, lardman :)19:42
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zenvoidStskeeps: I almost have one of the 66 marquee pixmaps integrated into the template, and it only took 4 hours :P19:43
Stskeepszenvoid: hehe, okay.. 66?19:44
Stskeeps.. why 66?19:44
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zenvoidls hildon-theme-mobile-basic-0.37/images/mb_marquee_* | wc -l19:45
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Stskeepszenvoid: you only need to do one really, images/mb_marquee_background.png19:49
t_s_okinda fun that the downloads page on defaults to os2007, even tho im using os08 on my N800...19:49
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Stskeepszenvoid: .. atleast atm19:49
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zenvoidStskeeps: sure? it looks that is is used only for the statusbar area19:49
Stskeepszenvoid: images/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced19:50
zenvoidanyway, that is the one that I've started with19:50
Stskeepsi hoped it was ;)19:50
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sp3001heh, this maemo mapper update is interesting19:50
sp3001all button presses pan north :D19:50
zenvoidthe maintenance of the template and its coordinates and rc files is going to be painful, I guess that nokia have some kind of tool to do the work19:50
Stskeepszenvoid: it is in hildon-navigator which is the one used for marquee i think19:51
Stskeepsthe background that is19:51
Stskeepsatm it's just black19:51
Stskeepslemme try to add it19:51
zenvoidStskeeps: if you do not have too much objections, I think I will try to use a standard gtk theme like ubuntulooks for most widgets and use the template for panels only19:52
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Stskeepsbe aware we might have to wrap all this possibly over again once fremantle themes come out, but we'll see :P19:53
zenvoidthe new UI?19:54
zenvoiddo you plan to integrate the new fremantle UI in Mer?19:55
Stskeepswell as in, we'll possibly be able to adapt fremantle themes, but we'll see19:55
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* Stskeeps doesn't know yet19:56
Stskeepscurious, can't seem to get the background to work19:58
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zenvoidand do you think that the Clutter library could work in OMAP1/OMAP2 devices?20:01
zenvoidwithout GPU20:01
zenvoidit would be great since it looks very much like the marquee, with a panel on top20:01
zenvoidand no left panel20:01
Stskeepsi'm not sure20:02
Stskeepsb-man claimed he had compiz going actually20:02
johnx_I can't picture a way in which clutter would be smooth on the omap2, but I'd love to be proven wrong20:02
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johnx_anything will work if you're patient enough :)20:02
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zenvoidusing software opengl like the mesa libs, I guess20:03
zenvoidprobably lcuk will be able to create an alternative Clutter library with smooth software render ;-)20:06
lcukclutter could be somewhat implemented as long as we arent talking about rotation ;)20:07
lcukit all depends on how its used.  im attacking things from a different direction20:08
lcukie im hopeful to have liqbase rendering on opengl where available20:09
lcukbut thats in a parallel dimension for now ;)20:09
zenvoidI don't know what operations does Clutter provide in the API20:10
lcuki do20:11
zenvoidrotations? ;)20:11
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zenvoidI'm looking at its sources20:15
zenvoidmore complex than I've though20:15
lcukyeah muchly20:15
lcukmightv been mangled more since i saw it as well20:16
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zenvoidit even handles shaders and such things... Stskeeps I don't think it would be easy to port this to devices without GPU20:17
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zenvoid... so I'm afraid I need to continue with the fucking pixmap template XD20:18
Stskeepszenvoid: hehe20:19
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Stskeepszenvoid: nokia is still working on getting mbx drivers btw20:19
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lcukzenvoid, just because something supports shaders does not mean they have to be totally implemented20:20
lcukit depends on primary utilization20:21
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johnx_zenvoid, using nokia's clutter-based UI and using nokia's theme resources are very different things :)20:21
* johnx_ heads off to watch some anime, then bed20:22
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woglindejohny haha yesterday I watched 5 hours one piece or so20:24
woglindeups johnx20:24
zenvoidjohnx_: yeah, but a theme for scratchbox/marquee/hildon-desktop and a theme for a clutter-based UI may not be very compatible, I think20:24
GAN800Oh poo on lardman|gone.20:25
GAN800etrunko_lap, ping?20:25
Stskeepszenvoid: still sharing a lot of characteristics, like gtk themes etc20:25
lcukim surprised clutter is themable - what i know is clutter can rehouse gtk within it (varying degrees of success)20:25
Stskeepsand backgrounds20:25
zenvoidis clutter using gtk?20:25
zenvoidfor themes?20:26
Stskeepsno, but rest of UI is ;)20:26
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lcukwell the matchbox desktop menus come from it20:26
lcukerrr matchbox WM20:26
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lcukunless they rewrote matchbox to be clutter then it HAS to be compositing x11/gtk at some level20:26
zenvoidI was thinking that matchbox won't be used at all20:27
zenvoidbut well... I don't know much about clutter, I just looked at it a few minutes ago for the first time :)20:27
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inzzenvoid, at least matchbox maemo svn is receiving quite frequent updates20:28
lcukclutter == game engine == glut20:28
lcuk== liqbase20:28
inzOnly better... oh wait...20:28
lcukeven == flash lol20:28
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lcukbut world+dog has wanted to use linux apps so compositing has been added20:29
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vasily_pupkinAnybody have problem with WPA/PSK with n810?20:32
vasily_pupkinI get something strange20:32
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vasily_pupkinI couldn't connect to Wi-Fi point with standart wifi util20:33
woglindevasily with the latets updates I had problems with WPA20:33
vasily_pupkinbut successfully connect with wpa_supplicant20:33
woglindeworked fine before20:33
woglindeI just imported the cert20:33
woglindeand it worked20:33
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woglindebut now I seems not wot work anymore20:34
woglindebut I have to go now20:34
woglindebye till later20:34
vasily_pupkinwe have no certs at that problem point20:34
zenvoidquote: "It is assumed that we will have only one OpenGL drawing context, and thus a single process running in the system will be using Clutter at a time. This process will be the window manager[...]"20:35
zenvoidI'm not sure if I'm reding that right...20:35
zenvoiddoes it mean that only the window manager will be able to use clutter?20:36
zenvoidor what?20:36
Stskeepsno clue20:36
vasily_pupkinsimple pre-shared key20:36
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lcukzenvoid, :) thats in line with what ive read about single process stuff :)20:37
Stskeepszenvoid: ok, so the bg of the marquee seems to work -just fine-.. until the elements of it show up, heh20:38
zenvoidStskeeps: each element has to be included in the theme :/20:38
lcukzenvoid, without some form of plugin arch or serious client server/WM handling you cannot really share the necessary data20:39
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Stskeepszenvoid: well, or at least their background20:39
zenvoidlcuk: ??? I'm lost XD20:39
lcukzenvoid, you cannot share the memory necessary to share clutter actors between different applications20:40
zenvoidah, ok20:40
lcukie to have one actor pop up within another app20:40
lcukand to make a fully fluid WM work means you lose some of the niceness of using actors20:41
lcukand it would also be VERY difficult to make a WM act like you want beyond just moving windows around20:41
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* lcuk gets round it by using plugins which share memory but live on their own threads20:42
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zenvoidStskeeps: it seems that each icon on top of the marquee is required to draw its portion of background20:42
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zenvoidit would be much easier if there was only one background and all icons on top where png with transparency20:43
vasily_pupkinhow do you think, release version of Maemo 5 will work on OMAP2?20:43
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Stskeepszenvoid: without even trying, i can only imagine Qt would be nicer.20:43
lcukhey ho simon20:43
Stskeepsvasily_pupkin: won't20:43
lardmanhey lcuk20:43
zenvoidStskeeps: just like all normal panels in X, gnome-apnel, fbpanel, lxde panel...20:43
lardmanlcuk: I got what you were saying, it's just a question of how many extra layers are needed above for the barcode lib20:44
lcukzenvoid, the damage library from x11 manages the corruption a window causes and then you draw as required20:44
* zenvoid wonders why the marquee themes are implemented this way20:44
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lcukzenvoid, i think all windows in maemo have to manage their own transparency20:44
lcukdont the desktop plugins have similar redraw thingies20:45
zenvoidlost again :D20:46
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lcukwhen you move an applet on the maemo desktop the applet itself is in charge of managing its own transparency20:47
zenvoidah, ok20:47
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zenvoidbecause it is "fake" transparency20:47
inzNo it isn't20:47
lcuki thought it was?20:47
* lcuk puts an applet on20:48
lcuklardman, i keep trying to write an answer to you lol20:48
inzIn the applet you just draw with a rgba colorspace  and it just works20:49
inzThe desktop libraries take care of the composite-stuff20:49
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lardmanlcuk: no rush, am going to go and eat in a mo20:50
zenvoidanyway, the icons that are on top on a panel shouldn't be required to be responsible of the panel background, I think20:50
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lcukcode for omweather grabs the background desktop picture and does stuff with it20:51
Stskeepszenvoid: well, their own background i guess20:51
Stskeepszenvoid: anyhow, i can't solve the gtkrc stuff for background on the individual pieces..20:51
Stskeepscos i'm lost in gtkrc ;)20:52
lcuklardman, it all depends on whether you expect UI to come up.  the core "heres a picture, what can you detect from it" needs no UI, it just requires a standard way of passing data.20:53
lcukthe actual barcode manager app though requires something more20:54
Stskeepsit's HDApplicationsMenu, HNAppSwitcher (items of HNAppButton) ,StatusbarContainer, HDSwitcherMenu)20:54
zenvoidStskeeps: yes, me too :)20:54
Stskeeps-> zenvoid20:54
Stskeepsthe ones in panel20:54
lcukthe manager app could be in the same library with an entry point of "show the UI manager using %barcoderesults%"20:54
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Stskeepszenvoid: as in classes20:55
lardmanlcuk: ui should be completely separate from the algorithmic stuff20:55
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lardmanwb woglinde20:55
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woglindelardman did you wrote the dsp stuff in assembler or the c/c++ dialekt?20:56
lardmanwoglinde: C20:56
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lcuklardman, agreed in principle, libbarcode and barcode-manager could be 2 totally different projects.  and lbt can use libbarcode within his shopper to automatically tick off things, and i can use it in liqbase to play with and others can use it for whatever they want20:57
GeneralAntilleslardman, do you want a generic name or something interesting and more brand worthy?20:57
lardmanyep even20:57
zenvoidStskeeps: HDPanelWindow has been renamed to HildonDesktopPanelWindow ?20:57
* lcuk can see so many little apps using scanned things20:57
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I'm not too bothered, I'm writing an app I want to use20:57
lardmanGeneralAntilles: though I need to remove the maemo- bit I know20:58
StsN802zenvoid, hmm20:58
GeneralAntilleslardman, libbarcode and Barcode for Maemo maybe.20:58
woglindelcuk lol20:58
lardmanGeneralAntilles: yep20:58
lcukthats slick!20:58
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lardmanbarlard doesn't have quite the same ring20:58
lcukbarman does20:59
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zenvoidStskeeps: ok, time to fully reinstall my scratchbox20:59
lardmanspecially made to let you scan your bottles of spirits and come up with cocktail recipes :)20:59
lcuklardman, dont worry about the name yet, whats important is does it scan20:59
lardmanof course21:00
* lcuk got a 1litre bottle of vodka today21:00
lardmanit's always done that21:00
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vasily_pupkinCan I change hw MAC with cx3110x driver?21:00
StsN802zenvoid, hehe.. i prefer vmdk coding. less sb hassle21:00
lcukok, so if you made yourself a 3 function library21:00
lcuk_open,   _scan and _close21:00
zenvoidStskeeps: I will install it too21:01
lardmanno need for open really, just scan()21:01
lcukand tie it in with your GUI app - you can adjust the api as required21:01
lardmananyway, am being beckoned for food, bbiab21:01
lcukhave open, in future you might need to initialize some things21:01
lcukbetter to be prepared: libraries open and close21:01
lcukbrb myself testing hard drive21:02
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zenvoidStskeeps: I think I'll keep trying tomorrow... can't build packages right now, I have a bad cold, and just discovered a few minutes ago that my partner has gone with another boy without even saying goodbye. Not the best day for editing the fucking hildon theme template21:05
Stskeepszenvoid: yeah, i know the feeling21:05
Stskeepszenvoid: take your time, no rush :)21:05
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* Stskeeps sits down and glances at his linear algebra homework21:06
woglindestskeeps whats wrong with it?21:07
Stskeepswoglinde: what's wrong with my linear algebra homework? well.. where to start ;)21:07
Stskeepsas in: it's my last course ever and i don't really want to have it :P21:08
woglindehihi by the way I am free of the homeworks21:08
woglindeonly 3 oral exams and master/diploma thesis21:08
Stskeepsmm, i am writing my masters thesis atm and i have one last exam, - linear algebra :P21:09
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woglindestskeeps hm whats your topic?21:10
Stskeepswoglinde: improving rehabiliation through the use of multiple positioning techniques21:10
Stskeeps.. mix of pervasive healthcare and positioning/localization21:10
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woglindesounds intressting21:14
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Stskeepsit will probably be once i figure out what the heck it means21:15
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cmugwhat IDE is everybody using?21:25
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Stskeepsjoe, bash.21:26
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cmugI only use sed myself21:27
* lcuk managed to wipe out 200gb of data21:29
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cmuglcuk, good job. did you find it a hard task to accomplish?21:30
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lcukno, windows automated the whole process, it has this wizard to help.21:30
cmugah, thank god for Bill21:30
lcukbill? this has sweaty prints and chair dents in it21:31
nomisbah. you <derogative adjective for young people>, you don't know how <term describing the favorable position the current generation is in>. We had to use <obscure reference to ancient technology> in our time!21:31
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: see the effect you have on people?! ;)21:32
lcuknomis read that21:32
qwerty12_N800lardman: hmm? :)21:33
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lcukactually it starts tehre21:33
lardman~curse treeview and all its associated lists and thingies21:33
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, treeview and all its associated lists and thingies !21:33
nomislcuk: heh  :)21:33
lcukheh lardman21:33
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cmugI once bought a pron DVD just because it was supposed to have multiple angles21:35
cmugThe scene with multiple angles, angle 1 in a living room, angle 2 on a sea shore21:35
cmugI was a little bit disappointed21:36
lardmananyone know if a tree/list view is supposed to refresh itself automatically if you change its contents?21:36
lcukahhh well, i bet you still have a better experience than i had with a scratch n sniff porno21:36
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lcuklardman, what bit of the contents have you changed, and from a logical perspective i would say it might get a bit heavy if its automatic with no way to disable it21:37
lardmanI've added a row, but it doesn't realise it21:37
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StskeepsAnidel: you sure have trouble with ubuntu :P21:40
Anidelstskeeps :) it won't boot :P and now I can't even boot from my internal SD :D21:40
AnidelI was looking for the flasher command to tell it to boot from the mmc21:41
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Stskeepsi'm willing to bet your problem has to deal with having a non-deblet bootmenu before, trying to boot the ubuntu distribution, and then flashing deblet bootmenu and trying then, but failing cos the ubuntu installation is already dead21:41
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Anidelwhy the ubuntu installation should be dead ?21:42
lcuklardman, nothing jumping out at me from searches apart from "arghhhh this fscking treeview"21:42
Stskeepsnon-deblet bootmenu kills the installation21:42
Stskeepsit gets unbootable21:42
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lcukbut it must be possible21:42
Anidelthat's why it can't mount the ext3 partition when booting from internal flash!21:42
AnidelI knew, in fact, that you could mount it with ext2 with no problems21:42
Anidelbut it wouldn't21:42
Anidelthat's nice :D21:43
lardmanlcuk: thanks :)21:45
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Maceri think they should adjust movie gross income for inflation21:50
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lardmandon't they already, unless "they" are newspapers looking for a headline?21:51
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Stskeepsthere might be an article on Mer in tomorrow's btw, if i managed to answer him quick enough :)21:53
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Stskeepsi'm just looking forward to be able to show the fiancée something tangible of the time i spend on the laptop :P21:55
lardmanI know the feeling21:56
Stskeepsit was easier with one of my exes who was actually logged into a irc server i wrote, but this stuff is a lot more high level :P21:57
Macerdoes she know you code stuff?21:57
Maceryour current fiance?21:57
Macerjust slap her around a little bit if she gets testy21:57
Stskeepsmy fiancée knows, yeah, it kinda comes with the fact i'm working at the dept. of computer science..21:58
Macerthen she should understand ;)21:58
Macerwhen you first met and she asked what you do did you say "I work at the department of computer science..."21:58
Macer? :)21:59
Stskeepshehe, nah22:00
* lcuk will have a calendar for tracy soon and we will be able to scribble notes and talk to each other and take photos and draw silly shit on them (mustaches mainly) and make lol cats and motivational photos and i would like to get her recipe timer working and integrate shopper and stuff but doing it all with little lego blocks. 22:00
* lcuk takes a breath22:00
AnidelI do feel the same :) she had a tangible show of the time I spend here, when we went to the Summit :D22:00
MacerStskeeps: :) i used to wonder if someone who was a janitor at MS would meet women at a bar and lead with "I work for Microsoft."22:01
Macershe knows you work a the dept of computer science.. i'm sure she understands why you use your laptop so much22:02
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Macerlcuk: uhm. this your baby daughter or something?22:03
lcukno tracy is gf :) theres more i wanna do re educational stuff for youngest22:04
suihkulokkiMacer: MS unlikely has janitor on payroll - they probably buy janitorial services from another company22:04
lardmanhmm, if I place things in a GtkHBox, for example some buttons and a GtkTreeView, why do my buttons get forced off the edge of the screen, can I stop the TreeView from expanding?22:05
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Macersuihkulokki: maybe a door man or receptionist guy?22:05
suihkulokkisecurity services :)22:05
Macerthere has to be some sort of absolute low level position at MS that has some $9/hr guy walking around in bars saying "I work for Microsoft."22:05
lcuklardman, are you re-weighing your contents after modifying the required columns etc22:06
Macersuihkulokki: haha.. wtf? :) So MS only employs coders and high power business men huh?22:06
lardmanmy columns are just too wide with data in them22:06
* lardman wonders how to get a GtkTreeView widget to display and use scrollbars22:07
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suihkulokkiMacer: and lawyers22:08
lcuklardman, grab some source from an app which does and peek inside is best suggestion without reading the entire gtk manual22:08
lardmanyeah, no idea which apps do that though, back to the manual :)22:08
lcuklawyers arent directly employed, they are grown22:08
lcukshame khertan isnt here, he goes through similar pains22:09
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lardmanhmm, Xserver;s gone mad, reboot time22:33
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RST38hMeanwhile somewhere in UK:
woglindelardman the parallel assembler instrcutions looks funny22:37
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CorsacStskeeps: which folder should I clean after upgrading hildon in mre?22:44
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StskeepsCorsac: ~/.osso/hildon-desktop22:49
Corsacoki thanks22:50
Corsacthen restart?22:50
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nameless`how can i enable the root user with maemo onto a nokia N810 ?22:53
olinameless`: just install rootsh from repository22:53
infobothmm... root-access is
Corsachmhm, still look weird22:54
nameless`which repository ? the one on ?22:54
infobot[root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.22:54
nameless`what is the goal of flasher3.0 ?22:54
GeneralAntillesnameless`, look at the root access link.22:55
nameless`i saw this on multiple website22:55
StskeepsAnidel: just to be fair to fanoush, it's not his bootmenu that messes up things, it's the traditional maemo boot process22:58
Stskeepswhich we subvert to get ubuntu/debian/etc booting correctly22:58
nameless`i've got a problem with maemo extra : : sub-process gzip return an error code (1)23:03
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lcukdeformed, modern art esq pizza was delicious23:07
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GeneralAntillesnameless`, you should upgrade to Diablo.23:09
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
nameless`GeneralAntilles, can you explain me more about diablo ?23:10
nameless`what are you talking about ? :)23:10
joyrider__update your firmware :)23:10
lcuknameless`, diablo is the newest update for your n810.  you posted a link to a repository which was for older chinook23:11
lcukhey joyrider__ did you solve your disconnect crisis23:11
cmugHey, I'm fooling around with fremantle again, but I am unable to start hildon-home. reports "hildon-home: command not found". What would that indicate?23:11
joyrider__lcuk hey :) nope but i just ssh into it now :)23:11
lcuk:D excellent23:12
lcukover usb still?23:12
lcukwas the documentation on the maemo wiki valid ?23:12
cmugshould it be hildon-desktop and not hildon-home?23:12
nameless`lcuk, n810 = the hardware, maemo = the OS, diablo = ?23:13
lcukdiablo = the specific release of the os23:13
nameless`so for the moment i got maemo chinook23:13
nameless`and you want me to upgrade to maemo diablo23:14
lcuki dunno what you have23:14
lcukbut the link you gave referenced chinook23:14
joyrider__about usbnet ? yes most of it was although i did a lot of error & trialing myselve first. the notes about adding it to the /etc/network/interface on pc itself were right. although i had to unmount memcards and rmmod g_storage.ko to make it work. haven't turned of the device since then ;)23:14
lcukGeneralAntilles, how does someone know which version they have?23:14
nameless`uname -r no ?23:14
GeneralAntilleslcuk, About in the Control Panel. . . .23:14
cmugoh porka troja.. I know what causes all my problems now23:15
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lcukGeneralAntilles, thanks . . . :D23:15
cmugmy virtual machines / filesystem is 100% full.. probably maemo sdk installation is borked because of that23:15
qwerty12_N800Anyone using XChat-2.8.6-maemo5 from extras-devel?23:16
lcukjoyrider__, good, was just wondering because not so many do usb net, wifi is easier23:16
joyrider__yeah but the wifi connection isn't persistent. i mean it disconnects quickly and i don't like the workaround of pinging or something to keep it up :) but hey i'm happy with usbnet and it's just like my gp2x dev setup was :)23:17
lcukjoyrider__, theres a setting for that, mine never disconnects unless i tell it to23:18
lcukqwerty12_N800, how would i know, ive got one version or other from extras23:18
qwerty12_N800joyrider__: diablo shouldn't require that but derf's acmonitor can ping google automatically23:18
qwerty12_N800lcuk: by seeing if xchat's version is
derfHah, people still use that?23:19
joyrider__hmm really ? damn couldn't find it though (probably because i got my device in dutch) and until today i didn't had internet on my linux pc either nor wifi. i could change it all now if i wanted but i quite like the setup how it is :)23:19
qwerty12_N800derf: indeed. :)23:20
* lcuk will get haxx0red23:20
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joyrider__btw about SDL and games, i read that one can't or at least shouldn't use SDL_flip because it does fullscreen updates. Is it that bad to do it ? because i don't notice any major concequences by doing it. but then again the game isn't that demanding either23:21
qwerty12_N800You're using the extras version. I've been applying skyhusker's hildonizing patches to 2.8.6 and making improvements of my own to the xchat in extras-devel.23:22
lcukjoyrider__, not bad - try it and if it works for you, great.  it just tears23:22
joyrider__hmm don't see any tearing either23:22
joyrider__but i do use a kind of double buffering method23:22
joyrider__have an extra buffer where i draw everything to then flip then draw it to the screen and flip the scren23:23
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joyrider__sorry ment draw to buffer -> draw buffer to screen -> sdl_flip(screen)23:23
Myrttihello, I'm stupid.23:25
lcukofficially, or just practicing?23:25
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MyrttiI've been using my 770 since 2006 and I just today realised I could setup ssh keys to my tablet to get passwordless login to my shell provider23:25
lcukthink of all those seconds you couldv saved23:26
Myrtti(my tablet locks itself)23:26
Myrttisince my passwords are 14 or so chars with special chars23:26
joyrider__could be my game is just too simple to make it tear have no clue i'm just an average joe hobbyist programmer anyway ;) only started with sdl & linux stuff due to the gp2x23:26
keesjssh + screen is strong23:26
Myrttibetter late than never I guess...23:27
lcukjoyrider__, dont fret really, if the device is doing exactly what you want then PERFECT23:27
lcukMyrtti, just consider it practice23:27
joyrider__indeed :)23:27
joyrider__will have to learn about making packages etc though but the wiki has a nice page about that23:27
joyrider__it's been really helpfull :)23:28
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lcukjoyrider__, what spec was the gp2x?23:30
nameless`GeneralAntilles, how do i upgrade to diablo ?23:30
infobotfrom memory, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @, or wget, or ap23:30
infobothmm... flashing is
* lbt flashes23:31
lcukhow comes we have shared keywords?23:31
nameless`GeneralAntilles, do you have a pointer ?23:31
lcukput it away!23:31
nameless`GeneralAntilles, a howto i mean23:31
infobotflashing is probably
GeneralAntilles(for the third time)23:31
GeneralAntilleslcuk, because infobot is in several channels.23:31
nameless`thanks :)23:32
joyrider__arm 920t 200mhz (i think it was) as well with 64 ram but the 32mb was reserved, lemme look up a page with the specs23:32
joyrider__i think most of the gp2x sdl games for the f200 (the same device but with touch screen support) can be easily ported over the nokia n81023:32
lcukjoyrider__, are you running at the lower gp2x resolution23:32
joyrider__no changed that already23:33
joyrider__to 640x480 (centered on the screen)23:33
lcukyou could do with finding pupnik and seeing who and what you two can get organised gaming wise :)23:33
lcukthat explains why tearing isnt as much of a problem23:34
joyrider__ah i see so it's only when you do a full screen 800x480 game then ?23:34
lcukno, its a problem for you as well, but nowhere near as noticable.  the refresh from computer memory to lcd hardware occurs too slowly23:35
joyrider__i see23:35
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joyrider__anyway really loving the device :) will keep me busy for a while23:37
nameless`once i have the latest diablo arm.bin, where do i put it and how do i install it ?23:38
lcuknameless`, the page explains it all23:39
nameless`ho sorry yep23:39
joyrider__i did make one mistake bought myself micro sdhc mem card instead of mini sd, the site where i bought it from wasn't really clear about it. but just orderd a micro -> mini sd adaptor and hope that it'll work23:40
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lcukdont see why not, i use one myself23:41
joyrider__ah cool good to know that it'll work23:41
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joyrider__btw what are good "community" sites about the n8x0 devices ? i already found internet tablet talk23:45
nameless`lcuk, is there a flasher for n810 ?23:45
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
qwerty12_N800and ~flashing23:46
nameless`i know23:46
lcukqwerty12_N800, i think you forgot ~flashing23:46
nameless`but they said Download the Flasher for your platform and tablet model from Nokia's Tablet Dev site23:46
nameless`and then23:46
nameless`on this page i don't see a flasher for n81023:46
qwerty12_N800lcuk: damn! Must be the time of day :)23:46
nameless`just some diablo release23:46
* Anidel thinks playing with ubuntu installation has destroyed is diablo installation on the internal flash :(23:47
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thopiekarniet! to participate in GSoC I should be 18 years old, right? but I'm 17 :|23:47
b-manAnidel: what happened? :(23:48
lcuklardman|gone, i just noticed: on the tablets-dev page it shows our tablets have a qr code barcode :O23:48
qwerty12_N800thopiekar: "old date of birth" - 1 year = "date of birth" :p23:48
Anidelnot your fault.. I had a different bootmenu installed23:48
lfelipethopiekar: will you be 18 by the time it ends ?23:48
* b-man is 16 23:48
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AnidelAnyway, to make it short, I rebooted with Diablo into the internal flash and it won't mount neither of my Linux partition (/dev/mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk1p2)23:49
thopiekar18 at the 6th of December :|23:49
Anidelbut weird is that I just reformatted mmcblk1p2 and it won't mount it anyway.. uhm23:49
b-mani'll be 17 next fall23:50
thopiekarqwerty12_N800: is that really allowed?23:50
qwerty12_N800thopiekar: probably not... :p23:50
* b-man is 1 day younger than qwerty1223:50
* thopiekar gets angry :P23:50
joyrider__hmm <- 28 :(23:50
Anideloh got it.. it won't load the ext[2|3].ko modules23:51
b-manqwerty12: october, 11 is mine :)23:51
Anidelprobably it's because now they're the ones from a different kernel?23:51
qwerty12_N800b-man: hehe, as you know, 10/10 here :D :)23:51
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Anidelsomeone as an ext3 or ext2.ko that can send to me and that I can load into a plain Diablo kernel ?23:52
lcukAnidel, its in extras i believe23:52
Anidelthey are ?23:53
lcukdont quote me on that tho23:53
lcukit just sounds familiar23:53
lcukqwerty will know23:53
* thopiekar joins now #gsco to talk with the people about that.. but before that he is going to change his nickname23:53
Anidelthe kernel modules in extras ?23:53
lcukhes not gone senile yet23:53
Anidelqwerty12 ?23:53
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qwerty12_N800Anidel: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap123:53
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AnidelI know23:53
Anidelbut they won't load23:54
lcuke2fslibs - ext2 filesystem libraries23:54
lcukisnt that it ^23:54
Anideldon't think so...23:54
qwerty12_N800Anidel: wait a sec, module dependencies23:54
Anideldifferent kernel I think qwerty23:54
Anidelit says it can't find a symbol when loading the module23:54
AnidelI've been messing with the ubuntu installation23:54
Anideland I think they were overwritten ?23:55
qwerty12_N800Anidel: for m in mbcache.ko jbd.ko ext2.ko ext3.ko; do insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/$m; done23:56
Anidellcuk those are for user space programs23:56
lcukahhh anidel, i know i needed em for something :$23:56
* lcuk is still a n00b23:56
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Anidelwhy they don't use depmod :D thanks qwerty!23:56
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tomeKK1hehe there is a way to solve that age problem.. I should be a mentor then.. :PP23:57
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qwerty12_N800Anidel: I use modprobe on my tablet :)23:58
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AnidelI tried depmod and it wasn't there.. so I thought modprobe won't work23:58
b-manlcuk: i don't consider you one :)23:58
Anidelactually there's no modules.dep file... did you create it ?23:58
Anidelnot considering, doesn't measn the reality is different :P :P eheh23:59
Anideljust kidding :)23:59
Anidelwell downloading the Ubuntu rootstrap.. I'll untar that one23:59
tomeKK1hey-- what is actually FOSS?23:59
qwerty12_N800Anidel: i symlink the modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 to /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 and  then grab and then do a 'depmod -a' :)23:59

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