IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-03-09

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* guysoft42 had to restore an older revision of his deb-chroot with sound00:37
guysoft42hey, does anyone know how i can run a sequence of commands to execute something over chroot as a user?00:37
sp3000Shopper-rot sounds like a terrible disease :D00:39
Jaffaguysoft42: Something like `sudo gainroot <<EOM\nid -u\n'00:40
guysoft42Jaffa, i think i just found it , debbie ??00:41
lcuksp3000, after 4 hours following the missus round the town centre i get that disease00:41
Jaffaguysoft42: complete with trailing `EOM\n', of course00:41
guysoft42Jaffa, whats debbie ??00:42
lbtsp3000: incurable00:43
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Jaffaguysoft42: I've no idea. A girl's name?00:44
guysoft42Jaffa, yes.. they said that about ruby.. see where that ended00:45
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lbtStskeeps: bollock01:14
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lbtthat's like bollocks when you get "No space left on device"01:14
lbtwhilst building Qt01:14
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Mouseya new theme! yay!01:45
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joyrideranyone still awake that might know why i'm getting a connection refused message when trying to connect x11vnc on the tablet using vncviewer on the pc (i try to run it through usbnet if that matters)03:25
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* b-man getting frustrated with gftp - it disconnects me when i try to upload multiple files at a time XP04:07
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b-manhello qwerty12_N800 :)04:11
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Proteouspeople still use ftp?04:38
b-mani do :P04:43
b-manfor my ubuntu-n8x0 repository04:44
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Macerlenny is great05:34
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Proteousyes yes, we all like lenny, he's not too bright though06:19
Proteousalways asking about the rabbits...06:19
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johnxProteous, gftp does ssh as well06:42
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ProteousI like winscp06:49
Proteousit does ftp sftp and scp06:49
johnxah cool, where's the winscp package for maemo? :D06:51
jaemjohnx: *win*scp06:52
jaemI wasn't aware that Maemo was a MS OS06:53
johnxwas making a point :> though it could just be the word "win"...06:54
jaemfair enough, but El Goog says that it is Windows-only06:56
jaemdoes anyone know what distro this runs: ?06:56
jaemaside from the QVGA 3.5" LCD, it looks quite nice06:57
jaemwell, the proc could use a boost, too06:57
doc|workjaem: would be really nice if it was waterproof06:58
johnxmaybe something with qtopia?06:58
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jaemdoc|work, yeah, that would be important06:59
doc|workjaem: for people who do watersports06:59
jaemjohnx: that sounds reasonable06:59
doc|work? Water resistant06:59
jaemif it had a better screen, I would be quite interested in it.... Mer, anyone? :P06:59
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johnxyeah, though I have mixed feelings about wrist computers that big07:03
johnxnot just from a fashion point of view either07:04
jaemwell, it doesn't look massive - just ugly07:04
johnx3.5" is the screen diagonal07:04
johnxit's not exactly small :)07:05
jaemthen again, I usually walk around with several belt pouches, stuffed cargo pants, a gadget holster, and a few other things07:05
johnxyeah, but it's different when it's on your wrist vs on your waist07:05
jaemI'd rather have a decent sized screen than look fashionable07:06
jaemI don't anyway :P07:06
johnxlike I said, I'd be more worried about it being awkward and getting in the way and weighing more than a half pound07:07
jaemthat's true07:07
johnxbut I had a better idea anyways :)07:07
jaemas soon as it gets better specs, and a price I can afford, instead of "contact our sales dept", I'm on it :p07:07
johnxyou've seen the augmented reality stuff, right?07:07
jaemsome, yes07:07
jaema friend i showed that device to was joking about Star Wars style wrist holo-communicators07:08
johnxah :)07:08
johnxyeah, that's what I was thinking07:08
jaemI said you could just have augmented reality goggles an d a plain metal armband with marker dots on it07:08
jaemno electronics needed in the armband07:08
johnxactually, that does make more sense07:08
jaemyou'd just need to track it with a camera07:08
johnxI wouldn't mind having it be a functional watch when I didn't have goggles on though07:09
jaemI've seen a demo of that done with a kid's picture book turning 3D when you looked through goggles07:09
johnxnow all that's left is semi-transparent video glasses for some kind of reasonable price07:10
jaemyeah... have you seen anything close?07:11
jaemeven for a high price?07:11
johnxI've seen something that just covers the bottom of your vision07:12
johnxbut it's not stereo07:12
johnxsame picture in each monitor07:12
johnxand qvga07:13
johnxouch, forgot about that last part07:13
johnxyeah, was looking at that last night, but I don't have a webcam :)07:14
ProteousI do on my laptop but I don't have a printer07:15
johnxmaybe you could just draw the dots? :D07:15
johnxactually, I don't have a printer either, but I didn't even remember that last night ...07:15
jaemI read somewhere (pamphlet at the optometrist's?) that the average adult human eye is roughly analogous to 100MP07:19
jaemI'm not sure what that's based on07:19
jaembut QVGA is definitely not good enough07:19
Proteoussomeone pulled it out of their, er, backside07:20
Proteousmy eye's fstop is all messed up07:20
johnxI think I read that it was something like 2000px by 2000px07:21
johnxbut again, don't remember the source :)07:21
jaemit's better than QVGA, at any rate07:21
johnxif you were just using it for a HUD then maybe it wouldn't be so bad...07:22
jaemare those those MyVu glasses actually for augmented vision, or just a glance-down-for-your-movie-glance-up-before-you-walk-off-the-cliff deal?07:23
jaemif you have to switch back and forth, they wouldn't be of much use07:24
johnxthe latter :)07:24
johnxbut you have to glance down at your wrist intentionally anyways07:24
jaemyes, but you could do other things07:24
jaemlike paint markers on your friend's jackets that are invisible under normal light, and then have your HUD tag them with a special camera :P07:25
* johnx imagines jaem sneaking around his friends' closets with some type of IR visible paint ...07:26
jaemI /was/ kidding07:26
jaembut I'm really bad with names07:26
johnxbut now you're not? :P07:26
jaemthere are people at my uni who I met in first week, and have forgotten their names for over a year, despite seeing them several times a week >_<07:27
johnxyeah, I am too, but I can't picture the world presenting nice universal tags yet07:27
jaemso I end up finding excuses to ask their name, like putting their contact info into my PIM app, and asking them how they spell their name07:27
jaemme: "how do you spell that?"07:27
jaemthem: "B. O. B...."07:27
jaemme: >_<07:27
jaemit's happened07:28
ProteousI've used the same trick to similar results07:28
jaemgrr... we have these dials on the heat vents in our dorms07:29
johnxI guess at this point AR seems like an opportunistic, proof-of-concept type thing, not a world changing thing...yet07:29
jaemthe problem is, they don't seem to actually DO anything07:29
jaemjohnx: then we need to change the world :P07:29
johnxright, but in the meantime I want a usable proof of concept :)07:29
johnxalso, re: heat. My uni had central steam heat (!). They turned it on once a year and off once a year07:30
jaemoh yeah... that07:30
jaemwell, it's kind of bad.  In the dead of winter, you need to open and close your window about every 15 minutes, to keep it a liveable temperature07:30
jaemwhat that means in practice is that you end up cold, and still stinking of sweat07:31
johnxyeah, then there would be a sudden heat wave, and they would decide to turn it off, then it would get freezing again...07:31
fireuncentral steam heat is problematic07:31
fireunbut when it works, its so nice07:32
johnxre: AR. the world does present a lot of tags that are worth knowing, even if we're a little far from on the fly OCR still...07:32
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johnxeven if AR goggles could just parse out barcodes and qr codes it would be a nice step, and maybe provide a nice compass/map view when idle07:34
jaemI'm also interested in some of those augmented-senses experiments07:34
johnxthe compass-belt one?07:35
jaemyeah, that07:35
johnxthat looked quite neat :)07:35
jaemI was actually tempted to try it07:35
* jaem heads to Digikey to check digital compass prices07:35
johnxhave you seen the one where they were swinging a bat at the guy from behind and it triggered motion/range detectors that alerted him?07:35
jaemno - link?07:36
johnxerrr...was a while ago, let me find it07:36
jaemthen there was the one where they made people where video goggles that inverted everything, and after several weeks, their brains flipped it back automatically07:36
jaemthen when they took them off, everything was upside down again >_<07:36
jaemhmmm... I was looking for a compass in the *sub*-$800 range07:37
jaemand I don't need RS-48507:37
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johnxget that htc android powered digital compass. it comes with a cell phone :)07:38
jaemI think Android is an interesting phenomenon, and hopefully a good thing for the market, but I don't want one, personally07:38
johnxit's cheaper than an $800 compass though :)07:39
jaemdo you know how the OpenMoko OS is doing these days?  I haven't been following it for a while07:39
jaemwell, there are $35 compasses, too :)07:39
johnxalso, before I forget: I have the AR solution to forgetting names. have your device associate names with bluetooth devices that person carries :)07:39
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jaemisn't there a maemo package for that?07:40
jaemin Garage?07:40
johnxis there?07:40
jaemI think so07:40
jaemblue radar, or some such thing07:40
jaemthe one issue with that is that the devices either have to be always discoverable (bad) or you have to keep interrogating the vicinity for known MACs (also bad)07:41
benson[away]Or interrogate the vinicity only when you need some information (not quite as bad)07:42
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jaemtrue, but with BT's range, it's probably quicker to walk around the immediate area to see if your friends are there, rather than scanning for them07:43
jaemhello, qgil07:43
fauxmightAnyone use cairo clock much? (on maemo) Trying to change theme.07:44
qgilis it just me feeling that there has been a new wave of Maemo newbies?07:44
jaembenson: we need one of those BT mods that can throw a signal a few clicks07:44
bensonqgil: no07:44
jaemqgil: looks like it to me, too07:44
bensonqgil: it's because of the $220 price on a while back.07:44
qgilI wonder whether they are new N8*0 users, former ussers re-attracted by Fremantle announcements, both...07:45
qgilmany of them seem to have good linux skills07:45
luke-jr$220? I got mine for ~$19007:45
qgilbenson: ah ok07:45
johnx~$200 seems to be the magic price for an impulse purchase by linux users who want to hack/play07:46
bensonjaem: Yes! But those are mostly directional antennae, so we'll need a helmet with a radome...07:46
luke-jrhonestly, does anyone buy N8*0 for anything other than Linux?07:46
johnxluke-jr, yes07:46
jaembenson: this is sounding more and more like it might make the boys at your local telecom regulations office upset :P07:46
jaemluke-jr: I bought mine largely because it ran Linux, but it was also (IMO) one of the best options that wasn't a phone07:47
luke-jrI wouldn't mind phone tech builtin07:47
luke-jrI'm hoping to use it to keep me more organized07:48
luke-jrbut I don't run non-Linux :p07:48
jaemI wouldn't either, but I'm stuck on a plan with Telus, a Canadian cell carrier who doesn't actually run anything from this century07:48
jaemso if I bought a smartphone now, it would be rather useless07:48
luke-jrmy phone isn't from this century, I think07:48
bensonluke-jr: Yes, haven't you seen the rant threads on itT from people who bought it for other reasons than Linux and didn't like it?07:48
luke-jrbenson: haha, no, I let Google filter what I read at ITT ;)07:49
bensonThey're good for entertainment.07:49
jaemOT, but is Archos as bad as people say they are, in terms of being closed and unfriendly?  I'm trying to convince a friend to pick up an N8x0, but he's eyeing the Archos units07:50
luke-jrLinux was a good part of why I bought mine and I'm slightly disappointed; I can only imagine how bad it would be for someone who couldn't care less07:50
bensonBut it's hard to tell the sincere ones from the trolls sometimes. I just cannot understand a lot of (presumably honest) viewpoints.07:50
jaemI knew what I was buying, so I'm not disappointed07:50
jaemif the RX-51 was closer to coming out, I might have waited07:51
jaembut I'm pretty happy07:51
luke-jrjaem: my disappointment isn't N8*0-specific, tbh07:51
bensonjaem: I don't have any Archosen, but from everything I've read, yes.07:51
luke-jrit's more of my general disappointment in the low quality of every OS07:51
jaemit's just annoying that the RX-51 looks to fix all the things I /did/ find annoying about the N81007:51
jaembenson: thanks07:51
johnxbenson, lot's of people ascribe functionality to things they're planning to buy that has no basis in reality. It's an interesting phenomenon...07:51
luke-jrjaem: I think the biggest disappointment for me is the terrible keyboard07:52
* benson worries about the RX-51's D-pad and menu key...07:52
jaemluke-jr: I actually don't mind it07:52
luke-jrjaem: you must have never owned a Zaurus clamshell ;)07:52
jaemI wanted something I could stick in my pocket, not something to type essays on07:52
jaemno, I haven't07:52
luke-jrI enjoyed typing on my Zaurus, while it still fit in my pocket07:53
bensonKeyboard's fine, IMHO, but it's almost impossible to use when closed.07:53
luke-jrthe N810's keyboard is just a pain to use07:53
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luke-jrespecially without a number row, tab key, etc07:53
jaemthe lack of tab (and pipe) keys are my only disappointment07:53
LopLiiithats truly is for zaur07:53
bensonYou can't do fullscreen, because you can't get at the menu.07:53
fireunI like my 770 for carry around, then I've got a PSP game bag with charger and fold out keyboard that is lighter and smaller than any laptop I could take and still type up a paper outline.07:53
luke-jrI can't type useful stuff while I walk around with my wife shopping ;)07:54
fireunbecause you have to push the cart?07:55
luke-jrgenerally, I've found that I avoid typign on my N810-- switching to SSH from my desktop when possible07:55
luke-jrfireun: because I have to use the Fn key, and it's so easy to press the wrong keys07:55
luke-jrwith my Zaurus, it was comfortable enough for regular use as a laptop if need be07:55
LopLiiin810 keyb is just not tooo useful because lack of ergonomics design07:56
bensonMy only real complaint about the keyboard is the qwerty layout. It's retarded.07:56
luke-jrbenson: I'm sure you can remap it like on a normal PC07:56
LopLiiizaurus keyb is very good but not too good compared to jornada (btw the size is diff)07:57
bensonThis is *not* a typewriter, does *not* suffer from adjacent keys jamming, and my (presumed) touch-typing skills do *not* transfer!07:57
luke-jrbenson: that last point is very good07:58
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luke-jr(the first two are good, but obvious ;)07:59
luke-jrI suspect marketting likes QWERTY because people don't think up that last bit tho07:59
jaemluke-jr: tha is a good point - most people would balk at a Dvorak layout, before even trying it08:00
jaemare there any cheap deals for N810s that ship to Canada?08:00
luke-jrwell, not even necessarily Dvorak08:00
bensonIt's not alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*.08:00
luke-jrtyping on a N8*0 is so different from keyboard typing that it probably needs its own design08:00
luke-jrjaem: ebay ☺08:00
bensons/not/not as if/08:00
johnxhere's the other set of glasses I was looking at:
infobotbenson meant: It's not as if alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*.08:00
jaemluke-jr: somewhere reputable08:01
luke-jrjohnx: AR?08:01
johnxyeah. see-through08:01
luke-jrjohnx: but not fully AR?08:01
johnxit's not out yet, but they mention AR in the blurb I linked08:02
luke-jryeah, it sounds like a partial AR thing08:02
jaem"PCs & Laptops with S-Video".... Beagleboard, anyone?08:02
jaemit's small enough to be a wearable computer08:03
luke-jrI think my wife will kill me if I ever do get a wearable:p08:03
jaemluke-jr: that reminds me of a review of an AR system from PopSci several years back08:03
jaem"I felt like James Bond... until my wife said 'you're not actually going outside like that, are you?!'"08:04
johnxluke-jr, my wife said she would have to judge whether it was cool enough before I bought it :)08:04
luke-jrjaem: well, the problem would be in bed..08:04
jaemjohnx: hehe08:04
luke-jrI wonder how difficult it would be to get a wearable powered by body movement..08:05
LopLiiihi john, have you going back to us?08:05
johnxLopLiii, I am soon. April 2nd08:05
luke-jrmini generators in some gloves you wear while you pretend-type08:05
johnxin fact, I have to move a book shelf to someone else's house today ...08:05
luke-jrproviding both keyboard input and power source08:05
johnxluke-jr, better to do it with the shoes I think08:05
luke-jrjohnx: what moves inside your shoes?08:06
johnxluke-jr, depends on whether you ever walk anywhere I guess...08:06
LopLiii:) john, hope you already have all the latest gadg from ja before u go back :) ...08:06
luke-jrif walking, knees would probably be ideal08:06
jaemluke-jr: regarding that, let me find a link08:07
johnxluke-jr, but if you base it out of shoe compression it's "free" energy08:07
luke-jro i c08:07
Stskeepsqgil: 10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article08:07
johnxLopLiii, yeah, but stuff here is expensive. Did you have anything in mind? :)08:07
jaemfrom my uni08:07
jaemsts: which article is this?  I must have missed it somehow08:08
luke-jrpeople need to stop thinking of these ideas before me :<08:08
luke-jror at least implement them when they patent them08:08
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LopLiiiyeah too expensive, you right john :), actually there is much....08:10
LopLiiisory i guess i miss about nokia rx51 thing luke-jr, do u have any review link?08:13
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LopLiiihi anyone know about good "lib" repository address for os2006? its hard to find...08:14
jaemLopLiii: RX-51 is the code name for the new tablet, which hasn't been officially announced yet, hence, no review08:16
jaemyou can find some early information on maemo.org08:16
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qgilStskeeps: "10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article" - anybody has the URL?08:28
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* jaem was wondering the same thing08:29
Stskeepsthere was some mention on iTT.. lemme see08:31
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qgil for S60 - opinions?08:35
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jaemqgil: I saw that, and it looked quite interesting, but I don't have an S60 device :(08:35
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johnxI was thinking about a similar idea a couple times before, but I think a reverse proxy server would be an important part of any system that worked like that08:37
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jaemdoes anyone know how much space one would need for b-man's minimal Ubuntu install, with the E17 debs?08:38
jaemI don't have a spare card, and I can't wipe my 8GB at the moment08:39
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johnxjaem, ha! found it! haptic radar:
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Stskeepsyou know it's monday when you get dragged to work at 7:45am and the first thing your desktop does is refuse to turn on it's screens..09:00
Stskeepsforcing you to rreboot09:00
johnxhere, monday is 'move your bookshelf on public transportation' day :)09:01
Stskeepsdear god09:01
johnxthankfully it's disassembled and it's just the upright pieces, but still...09:01
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Stskeepssounds worse than dragging a tower pc across denmark in a train09:02
johnxyeah, i'm thinking it should be interesting09:02
johnxand actually I should go now to beat rush hour :)09:02
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Stskeepsblah, can't find the sysadmin article. there was one back in 2007 in red hat magazine but i doubt this is the one :)09:08
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RST38hremoo all09:14
c_j_curtisHey RST38h09:14
Stskeepsmoo RST38h09:14
RST38hAnyone with a TI84+ or TI84+SE?09:15
RST38hAnd willing to run a program?09:15
Stskeepssorry, TI83+ only at home09:15
RST38h(ah, TI83+SE is also interesting)09:15
Stskeepsse? hmm09:15
c_j_curtisHow have you been RST38h?09:16
RST38hok, thanks09:18
c_j_curtisGood to hear. :)09:22
radicgood morning Stskeeps09:23
Stskeepsmorning radic09:23
radicTI84? the calculator?09:24
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Stskeepshm-statusbar-container.c:177: warning: missing sentinel in function call09:32
timelE61iGoogle ;)09:32
geoaxisi hate Google, offically09:32
geoaxiswhere can i find T-shirts for that09:33
Stskeepsokay, so it may mean tag but still... a person or thing that watches or stands as if watching.09:33
Stskeepsi was pondering if for a second my code had become sentient(sp) :P09:34
RST38hdidn't it say "missing" though? :)09:37
Stskeepstrue, but if it compiled before and the sentient being had escaped.. ;)09:37
Stskeepsthat would truely be a monday.09:37
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Meiz_n810KDE 4 is still as slow as hell...09:52
Proteoushow slow is hell, really?09:52
ProteousI always though of it as a somewhat fast paces afterlife09:53
Proteouser pace09:53
StskeepsProteous: hell is slow because of all the bureaucrats ending there09:53
Proteousthey like to keep things moving down there09:53
geoaxisi used to have a scientific scale of measuring slow systems09:53
Proteousfrom one torture to the next09:53
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geoaxisif i started some thing and it was not firing up, i would say a long profanaity, and if i was able to complete that profanity  before it all started ..i would call it as hell slow09:54
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hahloHow much worst is jffs2 performance comparing to sd-card ext2 or ext3?10:11
hahloCan i notice the difference?10:11
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timelessso, that article tells me that half of mobile slashdot readers own n8x0s :)10:12
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hahloShould one always boot diablo from sdcard?10:15
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aquatixmorning all10:26
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cmugHi, fremantle newbie discussion here or somewhere else?10:31
cmugI'm having trouble getting it installed10:31
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timelesscmug: here10:33
cmugok, Im installing the nokia-binaries inside scratchbox, and it dies when installing libgles1-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb and libgles2-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb10:35
cmugI am following the instructions on maemo.org10:35
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Stskeeps , excepting some theme artefacts, it actually works10:40
Stskeepseven though i think i should have status bar going right-to-left10:40
Stskeepsand missing artwork, obviously10:40
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cmugAny ideas what can be wrong in my scratchbox?10:52
Stskeepscmug: pastebin your errors on and give us the url10:52
cmugStskeeps, ok sure10:52
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yergacmug, are you using fakeroot?10:54
cmugyerga, no10:55
yergatry with it10:55
cmug i'm following these10:55
cmugsame error with fakeroot10:55
cmugmy OS is Ubuntu 8.10 running Openbox.. that can't affect can it?10:58
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cmugactually, check out: if that makes sense to you guys11:00
Stskeepssame result with fakeroot?11:01
cmugno then it actually works11:01
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Stskeepshehe, neat11:02
X-FadeAutobuilder for Fremantle is now up and running! :)11:02
Stskeepswoo :)11:02
Stskeepsawkward question, what does fremantle SDK target processor wise?11:02
X-FadeI guess what cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 targets by default :)11:04
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X-FadeI kept thumb,vfp for now.11:04
X-FadeNot seen any other mandatory cpu options yet.11:05
Stskeepsyeah, .. i think it targets arm7 really11:05
Stskeepssince people had trouble using software from it on maemo411:05
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X-FadeIt is the first SDK to use a newer compiler set.11:06
Stskeepsyeah, which was needed :P11:06
X-FadeYeah, for sure ;)11:06
sansI have installed the Maemo  and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator?11:06
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crashanddieit's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot:
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sansI have installed the Maemo and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator?11:29
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crashanddiesans: you might want to qualify that request to be honest11:35
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sanscrashanddie:how do i  qualify that request to be honest?12:15
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lardmanmorning all12:15
crashanddiesans: explain more exactly what your problem is. Software versions, software denomination, all that12:17
lardmanI never even realised the browser was released for x8612:17
crashanddieneither did I12:19
lardmansans: are you trying this in the armel targer?12:19
sansno i am tryin on x8612:19
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JaffaI didn't think the browser was released in the SDK, let alone x8612:20
sansafter installation i got an browser icon on my maemo on the navigation bar of x86 givin an option open new browser but it doesn't response12:21
lardmansans: look and see if the target is there. i.e. look in the .desktop file for that link12:21
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crashanddiesans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such advancements12:22
infobotcrashanddie meant: sans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such features12:23
sansthanks :)12:24
zenvoidI've managed to crash gcc :D12:28
zenvoidtest.c:19: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault, Please submit a full bug report[...]12:28
zenvoidunder sbox212:29
zenvoidhello Stskeeps12:29
Stskeepszenvoid: did you read my jaiku about theme stuff?12:29
zenvoidoops, no, sorry12:29
Stskeepshehe, don't apologize :) basically, i've started to implement the new mer ui from wazd12:30
Stskeeps(bad artwork, obviously)12:30
Stskeepsit also makes the ui more scalable in resolution12:30
lardmanare the tabs part of vmware?12:32
lardmanok, a bit strange looking if not :D12:33
Stskeepsadmittedly it wouldn't look that bad as a theme though, but not very touch friendly12:33
Stskeepsand we might have to do some changes to liberty to get it to work ok :P12:34
Stskeepsi've had to set titlebar height to 0 for instance in theme.xml12:34
zenvoidit is matchbox1 or the now one?12:35
infobotzenvoid meant: it is matchbox1 or the new one?12:35
Stskeepswe don't adopt mb2 until there's MBX drivers12:35
Stskeepsalso there's some oddities with task bar icons as you can see :P12:36
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zenvoidI'll try to adapt the artwork12:37
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zenvoidand what happens when you push the Mer button at the left?12:39
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zenvoidok, I found the answer in your jaiku ;-)12:42
MyrttiJaiku ♥12:43
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Stskeepszenvoid: alright, lemme just see what diffs i made to the theme13:01
Stskeepsoh fucking yes. NIN at my favourite music festival13:02
* Myrtti wants to see Radiohead live, cries13:02
Stskeepssaw them at roskilde last year, was awesome :P13:02
zenvoidStskeeps: is your patched matchbox at
MyrttiStskeeps: shut up.13:03
Stskeepszenvoid: didn't patch matchbox specifically for the new ui13:04
Stskeepsi am uploading the different stuff atm13:04
Stskeepszenvoid: only modification i did to the theme13:06
Stskeeps(we don't have a title bar so)13:06
zenvoidit is needed a new hindon-theme-layout, suggestions for the name of the new package? :P13:10
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Stskeepshildon-theme-layout-4-mer? :P13:10
zenvoidhildon-theme-layout-mer1 ?13:10
zenvoidor -1mer13:11
Stskeepshildon-theme-layout-mer maybe13:11
CorsacStskeeps: you're updating mer with your new layout?13:11
X-Fademurrayc: Autobuilder is ready to accept your c++ libs etc.13:11
StskeepsCorsac: yeah13:11
murraycX-Fade. Thanks.13:12
CorsacStskeeps: so when upgrading tonight I'll have a new shiny UI? thanks!13:12
Stskeepshope to have it ready for 0.1013:12
StskeepsCorsac: maybe not directly, we still need artwork :)13:12
Stskeepsand you'd probably need to rm -rf .osso/hildon-desktop to catch the updated layout13:13
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CorsacStskeeps: ok13:16
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lcuk:D how many levels of repos are we gonna have before the end of today?13:22
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crashanddielcuk: 4.313:29
lcukahhh we have gone into complex quantities, the server cannot take it.13:30
lcukhow you doin crashanddie,  im stressing with a tooltip bug in winblows13:31
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crashanddielcuk: complex repositories wouldn't such a difficult thing. I've had imaginary repositories for quite some time!13:33
crashanddielcuk: pretty good, fucking busy, but good nonetheless13:34
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cmugbusy fucking sounds good13:44
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lcukcmug, whenever i try my laptop falls off my mistresses back and i have trouble answering the phone13:45
lardmanmistresses' ?!13:46
lcukwell i am a busy guy :D13:46
lardmanlaptop on one back, phone on another's13:46
cmugwrong paste13:46
cmug any ideas about this erro?13:46
cmuglcuk, sounds like fun13:47
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lardman~lart boundary conditions13:51
* infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives boundary conditions a good jolt13:51
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Stskeepswhy so many arm devices that i would like to have13:56
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lardmanwhat's the latest on your wishlist?13:56
lardmanjust don't go out on Friday night, and there you go :)13:59
Stskeepswell that's in bundles, 100$ for devel kit13:59
Stskeepsstill though14:00
lardmanah ok, well skip Sat night too then ;)14:00
suihkulokki11:19 < crashanddie> it's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot:
suihkulokkireally? I didn't see much complaining there14:02
suihkulokki</evil grin>14:02
lcukand thankfully theres no avatar images14:07
* lcuk shudders at what some folks might use14:07
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VDVsxwoow, another council candidate :P14:09
Stskeepstwo candidates mentioning mer, woo :P14:10
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VDVsxStskeeps, they are trying to buy votes from the Mer people :P14:12
Stskeepsheh, i already decided who i'd vote for14:12
lardmanyou saying $100k wouldn't sway your mind? ;)14:13
X-FadeYou can vote for multiple people ;)14:13
Stskeepsyou can?14:13
Stskeepswhat system did we end up on again?14:13
VDVsxsingle tranf vote, I think14:14
derflardman: I checked in a few updates to the QR code decoder, by the way.14:14
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derfIs anything actually happening with maemo-barcode these days?14:15
lardmanderf: ok, how fast does it run these days? dtmx is far too slow14:15
derfWell, it should be much faster now, I think.14:16
lardmanderf: yeah, in a branch, I've got something half working, but I'm severely time limited atm14:16
derfI didn't speed test it on the device.14:16
derflardman: Join the club.14:16
lardmanpita all this work that has to be done ;)14:16
derfThe only reason I had time was because I was waiting for a bunch of data to get generated for a different project.14:16
lardmanI've managed one morning's worth of programming in the last 2 weeks (where morning=7-8.30 before work)14:17
derfAnyway, the big change is the binarization method.14:17
lardmanok, will take a look14:17
zenvoidStskeeps, I need some help to understand the new UI14:17
derfIt turns out simple adaptive thresholding really is much better.14:17
lardmanI suppose I'll start up the QR and dtmx codes in a couple of threads and let them do their thing without stalling the fast 1D code14:17
Stskeepszenvoid: ok, did you read ?14:18
derfJust because all of the algorithms that try to estimate a "noise level" look at the high entropy region in code itself, and always over-filter it to some degree.14:18
lardmanderf: I've got a very hacky binary up:
lardmanneeds SQLite14:19
* lardman far prefers writing algorithmic code to UI code14:20
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derfYes, I believe I'm that club, too.14:20
Stskeepszenvoid: i've updated layout, hildon-desktop and apt-get install marquee-plugins14:20
* lcuk prefers writing algorithmic UI code14:21
lardmanderf: or perhaps it's just that I don't like GTK+ tree|listview code14:21
zenvoidStskeeps: ok, I think it is just me, I need to dig a bit into it to understand it better14:21
derfI can't say I blame you.14:21
derfTreeview code sucks in every toolkit I've ever seen.14:21
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lardmanlcuk: you're just weird though ;)14:21
roopemer ui designesr: have you considered getting rid of the status icons (moving them to some menu etc.) in the normal application views.14:21
lardmandrat, haven't done my Spanish homework14:22
Stskeepsroope: not yet, is it like that in fremantle? (can't remember)14:22
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roopestskeeps: the fremantle design isn't yet published, sorry. but.14:22
Stskeepsroope: ah, sorry, referred to devel theme :)14:22
roopehaving all those icons there clutters those ui's a fair amount.14:22
Stskeepsright now we're just trying out to see if wazd's mockup can work, and then hope to align further with fremantle when design is published14:23
roopeI mean do you really need to see them all the time vs. could you place them accessible behind something else.14:23
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roopeI personally liked the older mockups more.14:24
Stskeepsi think it wouldn't be half bad to have them in a way similar to switcher menu14:24
Stskeepsbut we'll see.. it is a tad more complicated to move out the statusbar icons than it is to move out let's say, running applications14:25
zenvoidI'm curious about the close and minimize buttons, they were in the title bar but it is zero size now (?)14:25
Stskeepszenvoid: yup. magic x idea14:25
zenvoidah, ok14:25
Stskeepszenvoid: the reason i need zero size is cos else menu button doesn't work14:25
roopesorry, what was the magic x?14:26
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lcukits something that occurs when you stop dating a witch14:26
Stskeepsroope: just an experiment really. instead of forcing an actual close when clicking x, it will present the old switcher menu - combined minimize and close menu14:26
* lcuk doesnt really know either 14:26
Stskeeps (ugly art)14:26
zenvoidI guess a plugin in the marquee sends a signal to the zero height title bar, or something like that...14:27
Stskeepszenvoid: yeah.. something like that14:27
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Stskeepsroope: in the old ui i had a bad bad tendancy to close accidentially14:29
lcukroope, you have obviously had hands on time with the other nokia touch devices: how comfy is the plectrum stylus on the (i think its) n9714:29
aquatix5800 xpressmusic i thought?14:30
glassn97 isn't out14:30
lcukmaybe, i just recall seeing it14:30
glass5800 is out14:30
* aquatix likes the n9714:30
glasslcuk: i've found out that most of the time i don't need the stylus14:30
aquatixthe looks of it14:30
RST38hglass: Any working video player (with xvid and divx) for 5800?14:31
lcukglass, yeah but im trying to work out if its comfy for writing with14:31
glasslcuk: text input is fine with maemostylish fullscreen input14:31
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glassRST38h: haven't been keeping up, usually it's best to transcode, at least was on n95 since it had accel on some decoding..14:31
glasslcuk: handwriting recog? can't comment on that, i hate that stuff on everything14:32
Stskeepsany mac users btw? good suggestions for cd rippers (into mp3, must not be itunes)14:32
roopelcuk: you mean the 5800, I guess. Well, it's a normal pleck, really. Guitarists find it comfy. :)14:32
* lcuk REALLY wants to strum his nokia using the plectrum14:32
roopenon-guitarists are probably not used to holding one. the tip shape isn't really optimal.14:32
lcuki dont use one lol, but i know a normal stylus is wrong shape14:32
roopebut non-optimal is still pretty ok.14:32
Stskeepslcuk: guitar hero on tablet? :P14:32
zenvoidStskeeps: hildon-theme-layout-4 is based on fixed size pixmaps, and I'm struggling to understand how change it for variable sized marquee14:32
Stskeepszenvoid: alright14:33
lcukill show you in the next vid/code drop14:33
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zenvoidStskeeps: probably the layout in ubuntu would be a better start? what do you think?14:33
roopeImho it's a gimmick to try to make the device look cool.14:33
lcukcalendar scrolls so sexily i keep strumming it up n down14:33
roopeNokia isn't terribly good in those gimmicks.14:33
Corsaclcuk: which calendar?14:33
lcukmine :)14:34
lcukthats a preprepreprepreprepre test14:34
lcukit all scrolls now ;)14:34
lcukand has editor (of sorts)14:34
lcukand other stuff missing from there14:34
* lcuk likes his kinetic map once again14:34
lcukthis time its my hometown!14:35
zenvoidStskeeps: I will look at the ubuntu mobile theme14:35
Corsacis it available to test on? :)14:35
lcukcorsac :) not yet, its being nurtured and fed and coaxed and trained on my little tablet :)14:36
lcukif its premature it wont work properly14:36
Stskeepszenvoid: well i think the most issue is a gradient background for the marquee (repeating background)14:36
lcukthere is the original released version which has the editors and other things in place14:37
* lcuk still wishes he could get more time to work on it14:37
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Stskeepszenvoid: and then the app switcher buttons (may be called something else)14:47
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Stskeepsand the switcher menu stuff14:47
Stskeepsthat's the "problems" i've seen so far14:47
Stskeepsif you apt-get dist-upgrade a vmdk you'd see it right away (and remember to apt-get install marquee-plugins), after rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop14:48
Stskeepsi'll work on getting rid of the Home bar..14:49
zenvoidwhat is the home bar?14:49
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zenvoidI see... is it draw by hildon-desktop?14:53
lcukthis reminds me of fremantle
Stskeepssome of it, heh14:53
Stskeepsheh, i just disabled the home bar..14:54
Stskeepswell, the menu14:54
Stskeepsobvious result:
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zenvoidwell done, hehe14:55
Stskeepsthere's really some challenges to adjusting this stuff :)14:56
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Stskeepszenvoid: is there any border stuff in theme that makes it resolution dependent? let's say we take the marquee background and repeat it14:58
zenvoideverything is resolution dependent at this moment ;-)14:59
lcukkeep the resolution, change the dpi :P14:59
Stskeepszenvoid: hmm14:59
zenvoida svg theme would be great :P15:00
lcukzenvoid, performance issues and the fact giving people the ability to make svg icons tends to make them make mona lisas for something that occupies 20 pixels square :D15:01
* lcuk dreads the day wazd can use svg :p15:02
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aquatixmona lisa isn't that large in real life15:02
lcukbut she has 60 years of changes covered over time and again15:02
zenvoidI've read some time ago that sometimes avg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons15:04
infobotzenvoid meant: I've read some time ago that sometimes svg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons15:04
Stskeepszenvoid: style "hildon-navigator"15:04
Stskeeps{ bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "../images/mb_marquee_background.png"15:04
zenvoidhmmm.. I see15:04
Stskeepscarsten@carsten-tablet:/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic$ file images/mb_marquee_background.png15:04
Stskeepsimages/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced15:04
zenvoidI'll try to mix mobilebasic with our theme-layout15:05
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Stskeepsta, appreciate the work15:06
lcukzenvoid, if you are reading and decompressing the png every single time you render it then something is wrong - but agreed, initial startup of png is greater than for a simple svg (but you can get more complex svg which will take longer)15:08
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hahlosome reason install-tools doesn't work, bootmenu doesn't come15:20
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zenvoidlcuk: oh, you are right about the initial startup times15:51
zenvoidlcuk: and svg files could also be saved as pixmaps in memory once read the first time, so in theory they should be rendered only when the screen resolution (or orientation) changes15:52
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zenvoidI'm not volunteering to implement that, though :P15:54
Stskeepszenvoid: i think there's a nokia thing that does that (closed source) though15:55
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kozakHi Stskeeps!16:01
Stskeepslo kozak16:01
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kozakits been a while since I got my hands on the beagle.... had lotss of stuff at work...16:02
Stskeepshehe, similar here16:02
kozakyeah and looks like things are going to be even more stuffed up in the coming months16:03
aquatixheh, interesting MID: en
kozakhows work on Mer coming16:03
Stskeepskozak: decent, we're implementing new desktop16:03
Stskeeps early ugly artwork :)16:05
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kozaklooks like a full fledged one under construction!16:07
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kozakIs it the app list on the right ? or is it a separate app for now16:07
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ignaciustake a look at this16:08
Stskeepsignacius: seen16:08
Stskeepswell, the top is Application Menu, Menu Button (the one formerly in title bar), and then it is Quick switch applications (as in, the last three-four-five-etc started), and then status bar applets, and the X has the rest of the apps16:08
Stskeepsand also closes applications16:08
GAN800keesj, glad to see your nomination. :)16:09
CorsacI love his french accent16:10
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StskeepsGAN800: did you get prodded by lwn guy btw?16:10
X-Fade~seen thp16:11
infobotthp <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 15m 3s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'.16:11
GAN800Stskeeps, not so far as I've notice, unless he hit my account.16:11
StskeepsGAN800: alright16:11
Stskeepsgot cc'ed on quim's answers to him so :)16:12
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JaffaLWN guy?16:12
Stskeepsyeah, someone writing an article on Mer16:12
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zenvoid(watching the netbook video) it's funny that I can understand much better a french person speaking english than an english speaking english, I'm not sure why16:19
johnxnative english speakers tend to have horrible enunciation :)16:20
johnxthey don't think about it at all16:20
Stskeeps'lo johnx16:20
johnxhey Stskeeps :)16:20
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zenvoidhey johnx! nice to "see" you again :)16:20
johnxyou too, zenvoid16:21
Stskeepsjohnx: implemented all "features"16:21
Stskeepsof the new UI16:21
johnxyeah, just looked at the screenshot16:21
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Stskeepswhat drags in liberty btw? hildon-desktop-env?16:22
Stskeepsand dragging in h-d-layout-alpha16:23
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johnxone sec, nothing booted to mer right now16:24
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rzranyone can provide a n8x0 product id , then i'll can download and image to test on qemu ? :)16:30
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zenvoidrzr, it is very easy to create one, it is just a MAC address between a range :P16:31
rzra range between 0 and 2^128 ?16:31
zenvoidI will say you the trick in private query, nokia may be reading ;-)16:32
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tank-manDamn you DST, you time thief. My n800 skipped forward 1 hour correctly, but all my alarms went forward 1 hr too16:36
tank-mani lost 2 hrs ! heh16:36
lcukzenvoid, liqbase implements vector drawings extensively at multiple resolutions per frame usually (duplications) the thinking time behind caching every instance or re-render at varying scale thereof makes it unfeasible.  simpler (and generally quicker) to just render as required - and its a LOT less memory16:37
Stskeeps"N8x0 caused me to lose my job"16:37
johnxwow! the pandora guys are actually working on making a real device!16:38
zenvoidlcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple them for the UI16:39
infobotzenvoid meant: lcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple theme for the UI16:39
Stskeepsjohnx: wasn't this last years news? :P16:39
johnxyeah, but they have a nice plastic case done up now :)16:39
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zenvoidlcuk: it would be really great to see your work with liqbase in the UI, though16:40
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johnxI've decided to just assume nothing and every time they make some positive step I'll be thrilled :)16:40
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inztank, alarmd only does UTC, sorry16:41
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inzbtw, is here anyone running into the offline&alarms not working16:45
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zenvoidfortunately I'm still using my palm for PIM16:45
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johnxheh :) There will be some people *always* using Palms for PIM I think16:46
zenvoidbut it is starting to be a problem: the N810, mobile phone for connectivity, and the palm for PIM... 3 devices16:47
lcukpalms make for the defacto standard in handheld pim dont they16:47
lcukzenvoid, plenty of time for that :) my work is growing stronger every day16:47
crashanddiethat's why palms are good, because they have good PIM16:47
crashanddiethough I won't drop my blackberry for PIM to be honest16:47
crashanddieunless I have another device that does PIM integration with Exchange and supports push email16:47
* lcuk kicks you in the blackberry16:47
crashanddieand is connected16:47
* lcuk wants local data - local to ALL my devices16:48
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crashanddieactually, my blackberry does music, PIM and phone calls, <quote george clowney>What else?</quote>16:48
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crashanddielcuk: bought my first hugo boss suit this weekend :D16:49
zenvoidcrashanddie: an xterm :P16:49
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ppireshi all16:49
crashanddiezenvoid: yeah, I really want xterm to place calls and check emails :P16:49
* Stskeeps ponders if there is any ARM stuff that does ZFS16:49
crashanddieStskeeps: good question, would be awesome...16:50
johnxthere's a fuse implementation of zfs IIRC16:50
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crashanddieStskeeps: though, considering ZFS comes from SPARC, they shouldn't be afraid of exotic architectures to implement it on16:50
johnxI'm happy enough with LVM2 though16:50
Stskeepshmm. freebsd arm..16:50
johnxfreebsd ARM? really?16:50
* johnx googles16:50
johnxwell I'll be...16:50
Stskeepsi have a huge argument for a sheevaplug then :P16:51
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ppireshow can i extract the kernel inside the latest OS version? i'm using macosx16:51
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ppiresi googled, but i'm unable to find it :-<16:51
lcukoooh crashanddie16:52
johnxppires, so you want to have just the kernel image?16:52
ppiresjohnx: yes16:52
ppiresi recompiled a kernel that's no longer needed. i want to go back to the official kernel16:52
ppiresi have the latest OS but i can't remember how to extract the kernel image from the .bin file16:52
johnxppires, ./flasher -u -F image-from-nokia.bin16:53
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crashanddielcuk: I'm the sexiest thing that hit this office since the bird with great tits that came in for an interview16:53
ppiresjohnx: oh yes the flasher.. thnks dude!16:54
johnxStskeeps, the chipset (and device) support on freebsd ARM seems really minimal16:54
johnxit's really too bad that sheeva board doesn't have more stuff brought out to headers and/or connectors16:55
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Stskeepswell, sdio, USB (with jtag) and gigabit ethernet..16:56
johnxbut it can also support pci express, and sata natively16:56
johnxand another gig-e port16:56
Stskeepsmaybe there's a variant16:56
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johnxwell, I'm sure they'll sell you a dev board with all this stuff for $$$$16:57
Stskeepswell there is stuff like poguplug etc16:57
Stskeepser, pogo16:58
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johnxwow...that looks the same right down to the case17:00
StskeepsComes With Software probably17:00
johnxand a web service17:00
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GeneralAntilleslardman, so. . . .17:14
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dnearyHi all17:17
dnearyLooking for volunteers to vote & test the preferential election voting17:17
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johnxvoting for nothing? sure sounds fun17:17
dnearyVoting is running over the next couple of hours, and I'm going to call the thing final sometime tonight17:17
lcukcrashanddie, did she get the job?17:17
GeneralAntillesdneary, sure, link?17:18
dnearyI can test for lots of people, but I only have 2 or 3 browsers :)17:18
johnxso, that ARM touch-book that keeps making the rounds, what do people think are the odds it will actually ship when it says it will?17:18
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: Your temp token and email address are the same17:18
X-FadeI voted already ;)17:18
dneary(so you can probably vote many times)17:18
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dnearyGo Ned Flanders!17:19
lcukjohnx, past performance with omap3 devices == its a tossup17:19
dnearyAll you need to do is guess someone's email address17:19
lcukdoes the same work for the real election?17:19
X-Fadelcuk: of course not ;)17:19
GeneralAntillesI still think we should float the preferences up to the right.17:19
X-Fadelcuk: We just don't want to send everybody a token by mail for this election testing thing ;)17:20
lcuki know, if  i could see things at more than 1bit/hour i would have a go17:20
lcukcan i make vnc do monochrome?17:21
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dnearylcuk: I bet you're a Ned Flanders man17:23
dnearyGeneralAntilles: That's a styling issue, and I'll gratefully accept patches :)17:23
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GeneralAntillesdneary, OK, I'll poke at it.17:23
lcukno, i bet ned flanders is a lcuk man :)17:23
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lcukthey even took my mannerisms, it makes me so ma-diddly-ad17:24
lcukgan: dont go shrinking the size of the other candidates :P17:25
dnearylcuk: Go vote then!17:25
lcukwhy does ned flanders matter ?17:26
lcukand i cant i dont know where my voting booth is17:26
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can we get full justified text on the wiki style?17:26
dnearylcuk: It doesn't matter.17:26
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I too accept patches ;)17:26
GeneralAntillesand goddamn you both. :P17:26
lcukx-fade, eye-patches or hair patches?17:27
* lcuk notices a bit of a chrome dome17:27
lcukdneary, voting link17:27
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Too much going on atm. Between election, mail importing, fremantle autobuilder and some random stuff, I'm a bit busy. ;)17:27
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I tried to set up a local copy to play around with the style, but I don't think I managed to ferret out all the necessary stylesheets.17:28
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I will look at it later this week.17:28
lcuki have no token for this test election17:29
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, if I can get a user local copy going (so I don't have to use an uploaded stylesheet) I can be much more useful.17:29
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dnearylcuk: Want one?17:31
lcukno, its ok i fired up gmail ;)17:31
dnearylcuk: I did look for an lcuk@ or birkett@ but didn't find you17:32
dnearyI can give anyone an email address, if there are people who'd like to help out17:32
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dnearyjohnx: Have you voted yet?17:33
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* qwerty12 just voted17:33
rmtBtw - what's the URL for the full RSS/ATOM feed of planet maemo?17:33
johnxdneary, one sec17:33
rmtI'm either blind, it's not listed, or there just isn't one.17:34
dnearyrmt: Do you get an RSS feed icon in the URL bar?17:34
X-FadeProbably the first option..
johnxdneary, yup. works great in ff3/linux. if there's a way to blank it I can try on microb/maemo17:35
lcukvoted: and the candidates make up BASS running downwards :)17:35
X-Fadejohnx: Just try again with the same email ;)17:35
lcukdneary, i am liquid@gmail17:35
crashanddiegotta head off, take care17:35
rmtdneary, Ahah, indeed, I do.. Browser intelligence is beating my own.17:35
dnearyjohnx: No, that won't work17:35
dnearyDo-overs aren't implemented17:36
johnxX-Fade, you tricked me :P17:36
dnearyI'll give you another email address17:36
crashanddieCan I vote with my 6 different maemo accounts?17:36
dnearyjohnx: Use aloisio dot almeida at openbossa dot org17:36
dnearycrashanddie: If they have over 25 karma, sure17:36
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crashanddieanyway, I'm off, ttyl17:37
X-Fadedneary: There is a nice feature in your client, it is called PM.17:37
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johnxmicrob seems perfectly happy with it17:38
dnearyX-Fade: In my web client?17:39
dnearyI don't understand17:39
X-FadeI don't know much about netiquette or whatever, but I don't find it nice to talk about other email adresses or spambait people.17:41
X-FadeThat kind if info is sensitive for me.17:41
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karasumanI'm sort of just getting started with Maemo; I just got a nokia n810 that runs it.  I'm hearing something about a wpa2 bug... does anyone know if Maemo has a bug with connecting securely with wpa2?17:56
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dnearyX-Fade: Ah - I see what you mean17:57
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dnearyMy IRC client17:57
dnearyI have this idea of IRC being ephemeral, but I forgot that this channel is logged17:57
n_nRST38h you there?17:57
johnx...and very popular with google...17:57
johnxkarasuman, hi. welcome aboard. :) I've heard of some people having issues connecting to the enterprise versions of WPA, but I believe most of those are in the past at this point. wpa2-psk should be fine (and always has, I think)17:58
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karasumanthanks for the reply, johnx.  :)  I'm not really sure what my issue is, then.  I can't get onto my university's wireless network, and the tech support guys said it was seemed to be that my nokia couldn't figure out wpa2.17:59
karasumanwe tried to manually configure a connection, but it wouldn't show up in the list of available connections.18:00
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karasumanyes, StsN80018:00
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StsN800edoroam per chance?18:00
karasumanI don't know.  :(  I don't have much experience with this stuff.18:00
dnearyStsN800: Voted yet?18:00
StsN800dneary, didn't get a mail about it yet?18:01
karasumanfirst thing I did when I got my nokia was to update the OS to the latest; is there maybe some other kind of patch for the problem I should be looking for?18:01
johnxkarasuman, you might want to google for eduroam and your school's name to see if that's what your school is using18:02
dnearyStsN800: It's a test election18:02
johnxif so, there are some instructions on making it work I believe18:02
karasumannothing is popping up in google, and I don't see that on the technology help page, either.  Is that a third party service that they might be using for their campus wifi?18:03
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karasumanthe info they have is that the security type is WPA-Enterprise, encryption type TKIP, authentication method EAP-MSCHAPv2.  I used all of those settings in configuring the connection, but we couldn't figure out how to actually apply the settings.  At that point, the tech support guy googled for a while and came back and said that this is a known problem with the n810/Maemo and I should look to Maemo support for a fix. :-/18:06
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qwerty12If you're in a compiling mood, there's a plugin that integrates the maemo connectivity manager with wpa_supplicant:
dnearyAnyone here running Windows with IE6 or 7?18:08
karasumanI'm afraid I don't have any experience with compiling.  Is this something I can learn how to do with google?18:08
inzdneary, I'm running linux with IE6 and IE718:08
dnearyinz: Nice trick18:09
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johnxkarasuman, I have no experience with wpa2 enterprise, but some googling brings up this if you want to give it a test:
johnxnot sure how close this is to your setup18:14
karasumanI appreciate the help.  :)  I've been googling, but not finding much that seems helpful.  Part of it is my lack of experience with wifi security; I don't really know what most of it means.18:14
johnxyeah, I'm lost on stuff that's beyond wpa/wpa2 psk18:15
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johnxdo you need a certificate? does your school provide one?18:15
karasumanI really have no idea.  :-/  The tech support guy didn't mention it to me.18:15
johnxdoes your school have a web page with generic instructions?18:16
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qwerty12X-Fade, is the diablo and chinook builders working? Getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." here.18:21
X-Fadeqwerty12: Should be..18:21
X-FadeDid you change anything?18:21
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qwerty12Not to my knowledge, I've got a backup of the keys anyway (which I know works for sure), lemme try restoring.18:22
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karasumantime for me to head to school.  thanks for the help; I'm going to give it another shot when I get to campus.18:22
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johnxok, best of luck18:23
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qwerty12X-Fade, no go.18:23
X-Fadeqwerty12: Ip ending with 231?18:24
MyrttiI'm ready to cry, the wiki didn't go kaboom18:24
qwerty12I'm not a spammer :)18:24
X-FadeMyrtti: Didn't go kaboom the last time. Before it did ;)18:24
X-Fadeqwerty12: You probably are. Well blocked for the moment..18:25
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qwerty12Maemo hospitality. Can't beat it.18:25
X-Fadeqwerty12: There is some kind of rate limit in the firewall.18:25
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X-Fadeqwerty12: But I see xchat is coming in via the assistant now ;)18:25
inzqwe, -ita+ti18:25
MyrttiX-Fade: I was afraid my homeserver's cpu/mobo/ram was going to go kaboom :-/18:25
Myrttipoor dell18:26
MyrttiI'll have to vacuum it tomorrow for being a good little homeserver18:26
qwerty12X-Fade, yep, may as well use all available resources ;)18:26
Myrttino wait18:26
MyrttiI can't18:26
inzDid your vacuum go kaboom?18:26
Myrttiinz: since I had to mail in my desktop computer to the Office, I don't have a display or keyboard so I can type in the encryption password after reboot18:27
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Myrttitechnically I'd need only keyboard18:27
Stskeepsflip the bits in the ram manually18:28
inzWhy would you loose perfectly good uptime for something as simple as vacuuming a computer?18:28
X-FadeOut for a while, bbl.18:28
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Myrttiinz: I'd rather not break anything though.18:30
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johnxlife's a gamble18:31
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Myrttijohnx: I've gambled enough, I fell in love with a gentoo/MACist18:32
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Stskeepsa ubuntunist and a gentoo/macist together? that sounds .. dangerous O_o18:41
Stskeeps(don't look too much into that statement, i just wonder about some of the argument this channel can have once in a while :P)18:43
johnxactually using gentoo and Mac sounds like a potential warning sign of split personalities :)18:43
Stskeepsdarwinports, maybe18:43
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Myrttiwell I don't personally like having ubuntu as a server either... so I'd have debian or maybe even that gentoo as a server myself18:46
Myrttiubuntu/mac is nice on the desktop18:46
MyrttiStskeeps: and it's really sweet, he's asking me for instructions on his ubuntu laptop and I ask him for hints with awk18:48
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johnxow! the cute is kiiilling me18:49
* johnx dies18:51
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lcukjohnx, don't die - we haven't taken a recent backup yet18:57
johnxlcuk, no worries. I actually plan to live forever.18:58
johnxin the woody allen sense :)18:58
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* RST38h asks Cthulhu what made linux people implement gpio_keys in such a stupid way19:00
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johnxcthulhu made them do it to make you crazy19:00
RST38hHas nobody told them that GPIO inputs occur in banks and there is only one IRQ line for each bank?19:00
RST38hthis stuff isn't crazy just stupid19:01
johnxthen which is the elder god that makes people stupid?19:01
RST38hThat would be Alzheimer.19:02
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johnxI wrote an uncyclopedia entry for Abestos, the Greek god of carcinogenic insulation once...19:03
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zenvoidoh, I'm a fan of cthulhu :)19:04
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zenvoidStskeeps: the marquee is completely independent of matchbox, isn't it?19:11
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igagisI wonder how ca I get my application deb to the maemo extras repository?19:13
igagisI've just released the final .deb package of my Maemo Theremin app, and I would like it to be in the repository...19:13
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, upload-extras is
igagisok, it says that I should have an 'invitation' to upload the app to extras...19:18
mikkov_has anybody tried new leafpad from extras-devel?19:19
qwerty12_N800I've installed it19:19
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qwerty12_N800haven't opened any files with it yet.19:20
mikkov_qwerty12, I made some changes to menus19:20
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qwerty12_N800Cool, seems to work really well19:21
mikkov_I removed the View manu and moved Quit under File19:21
mikkov_I had to make translations work19:22
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Jaffaigagis: and it gives a link to request an invite IIRC19:36
igagisyes, I requested that invitation, hope I'll get one.19:37
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igagisI also read that it is possible to upload the package to extras-devel19:37
JaffaX-Fade: can you poke igagis' invite along?19:37
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igagisdo I need the invitation for that too?19:37
mikkov_everybody gets one :)19:37
Jaffaigagis: one invite to bind them19:38
mikkov_igagis: your source in svn isn't currently buildable with dpkg-buildpackage19:39
udovdhanybody know why it is osso-gpsd on the n810 instead of the regular gpsd?19:39
mikkov_so it won't build in autobuilder19:39
igagismikkov_: is that necessary?19:39
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igagisok, I'll try making it buildable with dpkg-buildpackage19:41
Stskeepszenvoid: correct19:42
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, explaining why other people don't maintain legacy support for 20000 years like Microsoft is fun.19:45
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johnxGeneralAntilles, if he follows up, maybe I'll make a post on the topic19:46
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johnxI can at least link it later from a lot of places :)19:46
GeneralAntillesThe misconceptions many users carry are both fun and horrifying.19:46
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: you been reading -users again? ;-)19:47
GeneralAntillesJaffa, itT19:47
johnxit goes in the same basket as "Why do you use all that jargon instead of just making it simple?"19:47
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I only looked at the -users archives once since I unsubscribed. :D19:47
GeneralAntilles"Hi, my name is Ryan and I'm addicted to idiocy."19:48
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GeneralAntillesThere has got to be a better way for Jeremiah to track packaging help requests than a wiki page.19:49
GeneralAntillesI can't believe that somebody hasn't put together a reasonable solution for this problem.19:49
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RST38hNo sign of wazd yet?19:52
* Jaffa 'd point to but I never really finished it ( for example)19:52
JaffaOh, and it's down anyway.19:52
dnearyHi all19:52
dnearyJaffa: Want to vote in the test election?19:53
dnearyI'd be interested in tests on IE19:53
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lcukdneary, whos winning the fake election, and if this fake election gets more votes is it possible we could actually see Skinner as head of the council?19:58
dnearylcuk: I don't know yet19:59
dnearyWill know later19:59
dnearyWhen the election ends, you'll be able to download the ballots as a .blt file, which you can then import into OpenSTV and run the election with various options.19:59
lcukso no simple web page notification then :P20:00
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GeneralAntilleslardman|gone. . . .20:02
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Jaffadneary: was going to test in IE, but  --- ooh, no, I 've got time before the train20:04
Jaffadneary: still doesn't work in IE720:05
dnearyJaffa: OK20:05
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* Jaffa 'll hold off voting until you've had a chance to play and will re-test tomorrow.20:05
dnearyBetter fix that tomorrow then20:05
dnearyJaffa: I'll generate a HTML file for you to test20:05
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dnearyTomorrow the election will be over :)20:06
Jaffadneary: fair enough20:06
* Jaffa homes20:06
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johnxStskeeps, mer's upstart is causing problems on the zaurus...hmmm, looks like it's more than just upstart...20:27
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GeneralAntillesThe Zaurus is a problem. :P20:28
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johnxGeneralAntilles, platform insecurity? :P20:28
GeneralAntillesMy platform is so much <s>bigger</s> better than yours!!!20:29
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johnxalright, too much time on -users and iTT. time to detox20:29
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, acid wash for your eyes? ;)20:30
johnxI was referring to you actually :)20:30
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johnxplatform is bigger? :P sure sign of too much time on itt/-users20:31
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you're the one that brought up insecurities. :P20:31
GeneralAntillesBesides, I'm 2 days clean of -users!20:31
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johnx*hic* been clean for *hic* 5 minutes now20:32
* RST38h gathers, "platform" is something Mario jumps onto20:33
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zenvoidthay say that the size of the platform does not matter, but they lie. it does XD20:33
johnxRST38h, you're the guy who writes emus, not us. We'll leave you to define it :)20:33
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Jaffadneary: works fine on tablet browser with webkit engine20:34
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timelE61ijAffa: what's this?20:36
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, or ?20:41
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timelE61iright, but why need webkit?20:51
lcukadditional datapoint20:51
johnxtimelE61i, we are testing many different browsers20:51
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johnxi already checked with microb20:51
lcukjohnx, back from the dead then20:52
johnx'fraid so20:52
johnxbut I need to sleep actually20:52
timelE61ioh, to verify vote workks?20:52
timelE61iDid you try s60? :)20:52
timelE61iAnd opera(mini/mobile)20:53
lcukdont know, but you can20:53
timelE61iwHere's my test token?20:54
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lcukpoke dneary offline if you havent got one in your mailbox20:55
lcuki think20:55
timelE61ican i vote more than once? :@)20:56
lcukas long as its for marge simpson, yeah20:56
johnxtimelE61i, test token is your email address :)20:56
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johnxone vote per email20:56
* johnx sleeps20:56
lcukgnite johnx20:57
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RST38h...percentage of Americans identifying as Christians has dropped to 76 percent of the population, down from 86 percent in 1990...21:10
timelE61iErr, is the vote token the same as from the previous election?21:12
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, no, email address/email address.21:12
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rmt_RST38h, how're the other religions faring? Flying spaghettiism etc.21:13
RST38hno idea21:13
GeneralAntillesYou can vote as many times as you want as long as you can come up with member email addresses with more than 25 karma who haven't voted.21:13
RST38hbut they do provide some data on christian varieties:
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RST38hGeneral: So, the plan is to create 50-60 accounts, let each one create a project (like a command line app port or a background image for OS2008) and vote 50-60 times! =)21:15
t_s_oRST38h: thanks, that link makes me think there may be hope for that nation after all...21:15
RST38htso: that was my thought as well but you do not know what they are switching to21:16
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timelE61iThe voting system kicked me out21:18
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timelE61iIt in very obscure English tried to tell me the vote ended about 20mins ago21:19
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anidelhi guys anyone installed Jaunty on their tablet ?21:20
anidelfollowing the guide on ITT ?21:20
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lcukanidel, thats b-mans thing isnt it21:21
lcukhiya btw21:21
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, they also have to be 3 months old.21:22
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, interesting.21:22
lcukseems reasonable gan, he said it would end later21:22
timelE61iThe message is *awful*21:22
lcuki suppose 20 minutes ago is later21:22
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timelE61i1. It didn't tell me what time it is "now"21:23
timelE61i2. It told me the election *starts* (present tense)21:23
timelE61iWell present/future21:23
t_s_oRST38h: as long as its missing a label, it will likely to be less strict then what they left...21:25
t_s_ostill, if people was converting to this: it would be really interesting ;)21:26
anidellcuk yeah21:27
lcukhe normally comes on later21:27
anidelI'm trying to follow his thread, but some thing behave differently and the post is not clear in some points21:27
anidelok :)21:27
timelE61igan: btw, someone lied21:28
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, can you file a bug?21:28
timelE61iThey claimed my token for the previous vote would not be valid for any other21:28
timelE61iAnd yet it let me try to use it again for this one :)21:28
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, did you use the old token?21:28
timelE61ii couldn't find any others...21:29
GeneralAntillesWell, it was supposed to be the email address as the token.21:29
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, anyway, either somebody needs to poke dneary tomorrow or some bugs need to be filed.21:31
timelE61iWell, since the election expired21:31
timelE61iIt's unclear21:31
lcukGeneralAntilles, did you post your patch for "displaying everyone except yourself as small"21:32
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I need to poke at the CSS tomorrow.21:32
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timelE61iWhat component is voting?21:33
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, I ran into a couple GNOME-centric strings when voting for the referenda. Somebody could probably stand to run over it again.21:33
GeneralAntillesUm, General, I guess.21:33
GeneralAntillesThough we could probably use an election software or voting software component.21:34
GeneralAntillesJust reassign it to dneary.21:34
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sp3000ahh, time to mail elections at gnome!
timelE61iGan: 419321:39
timelE61ioh yes21:39
timelE61iI totally missed that21:40
timelE61iMail to elections@gnome.org21:40
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timelE61iSp3000: how are you doing?21:40
sp3000not running for a few days21:41
sp3000but fine21:41
sp3000btw I think the followup caller was a french-speaker, for variety21:41
timelE61iIt's still pretty neat service, right?21:42
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timelE61isp3000: are you filing or should i?21:44
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sp3000yeah except maybe for the two way voce-proxied form filling part ;)21:47
sp3000voice, even21:47
timelE61iYeah, well...21:48
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, yeah, I already caught a couple of those.21:50
GeneralAntillesI wonder if the source is in svn somewhere.21:50
sp3000oh my, I verbed a number21:50
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: It is.21:50
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, maemo2midgard project?21:51
GeneralAntillesBleh, Garage is sloooow21:52
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: load is 64 atm. looking into it ;)21:53
X-Fadetop - 21:53:39 up 6 days, 22:25,  1 user,  load average: 86.47, 69.94, 57.8321:53
anidel64! woah :)21:53
X-Fade86 ;)21:53
anidelskyrocketing... something spinning21:53
andre__hmm, bug numbers21:54
* andre__ expects nice new bugs tomorrow when officially being back from vacation21:54
sp3000spinning skyrockets, batman!21:54
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GeneralAntillesI wish jott would get back and give us his bugbot.21:54
Myrttiit must have been my wiki article!21:54
anidelhow can it be ?21:55
X-FadeNah, reindexing repos in a cron job ;)21:55
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anidelthat's fine then, I suppose21:55
X-FadeGot so slow that they started to pile up.21:55
lcukX-Fade, it runs better in performance mode :P21:55
Myrttianidel: because it's a MAGICAL wiki article21:55
Myrttiabout *cough* 900K big wiki article21:55
lcuki dont know why you keep it in on demand :D21:55
anidelMyrtti only text ? :)21:55
X-FadeLoad is back to _only_ 33 now ;)21:56
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Myrttianidel: only text :-)21:56
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Myrttithat's what articles are in the wiki, aren't they21:56
Myrttiit did have some html...21:56
anidelmy tablet's load is now 4.47 ;)21:58
sp3000it's part of the garage cluster? :P21:58
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anidelit's the main node :)21:58
X-Fadesp3000: Cluster? One tablet is enough for everything ;)21:58
* RST38h still has a chance to clone iPhone menu on the NIT21:58
RST38hEspecially if wazd helps a little bit21:59
anideltry to imagine then the new upcoming tablet what will be able to do!22:00
X-Fadeanidel: At least twice the speed! :)22:00
RST38hanidel: it will do some pseudo-pmp shit, badly22:01
GeneralAntillesWe might be able to serve 3 users simultaneously!22:01
RST38h+ cat22:01
* GeneralAntilles mutters about stupid DST.22:01
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* ljp lives in a place where there is no DST22:03
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RST38hwhich reminds me...22:13
RST38hAh, DST switch happens on the last Sunday of March22:14
n_nRST38h == author of several emus? =)22:15
* RST38h ducks22:15
* n_n geese22:16
n_nif you're interested in msx emu development, the openmsx dev channel is on this server22:16
n_nnot just openmsx related :p22:17
n_neg. i'm there and not one of their developers22:17
anidelbootstrap installed, let's continue22:20
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igagishi again22:23
igagisI'm trying to build my package with autobuilder22:24
igagisbut the build fails22:24
igagisfrom the logs I see that there are some libraries missing in the build environment22:24
igagise.g. hildonmm22:24
X-Fadeigagis: You need to specify them as Build-Depends22:25
igagisin debian/control?22:25
X-Fadeigagis: Yes22:25
X-Fadedpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b22:25
X-FadeCan help you with that.22:26
igagisthey are specified there22:26
igagisI'll try that in a moment22:26
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igagisno, I've just realized that the dependancies are not specified in control file at the moment the app is build22:27
igagisWill fix that, thanks22:28
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X-Fadeigagis: Cool application btw ;)22:29
anidelwhich one is it ?22:29
igagisanidel: have a look at http://theremin.garage.maemo.org22:30
anidelI've read a post about that app.. cool one.. never saw it in action, though..22:30
X-FadeThe youtube vid explain it all.22:30
igagisthere are videos on the app page22:31
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anidelahah funny the messages that keep coming :P22:32
anidelthe gesture contol is amazing22:32
igagisanidel: what do you mean 'gesture control' ?22:34
igagisit just plays the tone depending on the tapped point22:34
igagiswhen you move the finger it changes the pitch and volume because 'mouse' cursor moves22:35
igagisthere's no any gesture recognition here22:35
anideligagis: the way you control the finger movements on the keys22:35
anideligagis: I know that. You're using then the plain mouse coordinates ? When I use the stylus it often thinks I "raised" the stylus thus causing a new click to happen22:36
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igagisyes, exactly22:37
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anidelfor example when selecting text in the browser, it's very hard to select a long piece of text becuase of that. In Xournal I was thinking to ignore the random mouse click within a movement, but it's not that easy22:39
lcukanidel, with the theremin it doesnt matter, it will simply carry on where you reach in the next stroke22:39
anidelthat's true..22:39
lcukthe sensitivity of your screen is likely on the way out22:39
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lcukits similar with me on the left centre of the workhorse 81022:39
anidelmay be :( it happens mostly horizontally, is fine vertically22:39
lcukit doesnt respond to finger at all any more22:39
lcukdifferent pressure in the motion22:39
anidelI've got to re-calibrate it once a day22:40
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lcukyou may notice in my videos i can scroll one way easier than the other22:40
lcuknever recalbrate cos i know its just on its way out22:40
lcukits not out of position, but out of sensitivity22:40
RST38hright side is less sensitive?22:40
lcukif yours is losing position thats slightly different22:40
anidelwell yesterday I couldn't close the windows because it was not correctly calibrated.. and often I have to point down a few pixels to actually click on something.. very annoying22:41
lcukno, left its where i spent a year stroking it and stuff22:41
anidelno, on mine it happens on the whole screen...22:41
anidelI don't think it's losing sensitivity22:41
anidelit's been like that since the beginning...22:41
lcukanidel, it was the same with one of my old ones, but those sorts of errors become more or less visible usually depending on temp, so you calibrate when cold and it drifts again22:41
igagisbtw, with theremin I noticed one thing with vertical and horizontal movements: when tap and move horizontally for a long time without releasing the finger it eventually start updating the sound frequency rarely, looks like a touchscreen problem, nothing to do in the app with that22:42
anidelthat's may be the issue...22:42
lcukthat shouldv been rma'd as faulty then :P22:42
lcukigagis, no, the cpu is dropping back to idle speed22:42
lcukyou are hitting ondemand things22:42
anidelI have two years warranty on this baby, but I'll miss it and I can live with this annoyance22:42
lcukif you have liqbase installed, just test by going into options and changing cpu to performance and running your app again22:43
igagislcuk: but I did not see such behavior for vertical movement22:43
anidellibqbase as Maemo's Onyx :P22:43
anidelsorry, it's a Mac tweaking application22:43
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lcukdunno then igagis22:44
* lcuk is gonna make a stroking guitar instrument22:44
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* lcuk will give it kinetic columns as you strum22:44
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igagislcuk: btw, about the guitar, have you seen the guitar for iphone?22:44
lcuknot real interesting in iphone caps so no22:45
lcukinterested *22:45
igagisI saw it on youtube recently22:45
anidelit's an Apple AD? if it is, then it's fake :P22:45
lcukyou cant use a real plectrum with iphone :)22:45
igagisno, there are videos on you tube22:46
anideleheh I know, I was kidding Apple...22:46
zenvoidping Stskeeps :) are you still there?22:46
igagisI'm not interested in iPhone as well but it worth looking into the iPhone guitar video22:46
igagislet me find the link22:46
anidellcuk I imagine using a plectrum on the N810 for a guitar app would be quite difficult22:46
lcukanidel, the calendar ive got - its fluidly kinetic and has 7 columns (month view as in the video) and i keep strumming it up n down22:47
igagishere it is
lcukit lacks music only :)22:47
igagislcuk: can you give the link to your "silent guitar" video?22:48
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lcukthat plays more like a keyboard, your theremin is more the style - sliding actions22:48
anidellcuk: it's not the power, it's the screen.. light touches are out of question.. but I imagine you don't need to be light with the spectrum..22:48
Stskeepszenvoid: pong, still have guests but sneaked off to the laptop22:48
lcukigagis, the youtube video for liqbase:   it shows the startings of a calendar.   since that video i gave the calendar full kinetic view (like the graffiti wall)22:49
anidelStskeeps: do they know what they are doing? holding you off the laptop ?22:49
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Stskeepsanidel: hehe. i have my tablet too but can't always type that fast on it :P22:50
zenvoidStskeeps: :D22:50
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lcukanidel, i know they are doing multitouch, but the iphone guitar is being used from the frets end, i merely like strumming the other end (where they are picking at)22:51
* lcuk cant coordinate multiple fingers anyway22:51
zenvoidStskeeps: modifying the theme layout is going to take some time, but I think there is a way to make it much more easy...22:51
Stskeepszenvoid: sed? ;p22:52
zenvoidStskeeps: do you know if it is possible to configure the marquee so it is "floating" over the title bar like the old statusbar?22:52
anidelstskeeps: know the feeling...22:52
Stskeepszenvoid: hmm.. the idea was to remove titlebar though22:52
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Stskeepszenvoid: but maybe i don't understand it exactly22:53
Stskeepslemme just grab a layout, sec22:53
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zenvoidStskeeps: if the titlebar is kept below the marquee and it is made 100 px smaller at the right side, the close and minimize buttons of the titlebar could be used22:56
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zenvoidand the home menubar can be kept22:57
Stskeepsah - i would just (currently) scrap the titlebar info and implement close and minimize in the marquee22:57
zenvoidin fact, the marquee can be set to transparent theme and just use the themed titlebar22:57
* anidel goes to pick up his girlfriend from the english class.. ttyl22:58
igagislcuk: there's another guitar app for iPhone,
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igagislcuk: there you strum strings and switch the chords22:59
Stskeepszenvoid: mm.. well i'm not sure what our motivation for that would be, other than it being an alternative theme22:59
igagislcuk: no chords fingering, I think it is possible to make similar app for n810, it dies not need multitouch22:59
Stskeepszenvoid: my idea was primarily to adapt liberty to the new hildon layout and the app switcher buttons (and rightmost X and leftmost app menu button)23:00
zenvoidStskeeps: it was just a idea for having a quick port of the old theme, it would be very easy to port it this way23:00
Stskeepstitlebar height=0 is a nasty hack or? it seems to be described in data/theme.xml23:00
zenvoidlook at hildon-liberty-theme source, the file template.svg23:01
zenvoidthe programs in hildon-layout cut those drawings into the small pieces by using a set of coordinates23:02
Stskeepsyeah, i know23:02
* RST38h cackles evilly23:02
Stskeepszenvoid: it's basically seperating a tempate.svg into icon files23:03
Stskeepsas i understand it23:03
Stskeepsthe actual theme is described in data/ and rc/ in layout23:03
zenvoidStskeeps: yes... when doing the floating marquee trick, there is very little to change23:03
RST38h"If you canÁ23:03
zenvoidthe template could be used almost unchanged23:03
RST38ht reliably kill a deer, what chance do you have against a pack of desperate people?23:04
Stskeepszenvoid: but then titlebar would be invisible underneath marquee?23:04
zenvoidStskeeps: the marquee on top, like the statusbar in the current liberty-theme23:05
zenvoidactually I don't know if it is possible to do that, if changes in the source are required, then it may not worth the effort23:06
Stskeepsmm, might be difficult since it is a pretty hard panel23:07
zenvoidpretty hard panel :D23:08
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zenvoidwell... I'll continue with the longer way, then ;-)23:09
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Stskeepszenvoid: well, i think most of the stuff can be done in the theme rcs and theme.xml, instead of in the template part23:16
zenvoidlook at the blue area in the current liberty theme, it is actually the titlebar theme (or the home bar when no apps) and the status bar icons are floating on top. I think I found a way of making that part of variable size (all to the left, for example)23:17
zenvoidand the idea was to put the marquee on top with transparent background23:17
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Khertan_n810Hello !23:18
Stskeeps , this one?23:18
Stskeepsthe one with home on it23:19
zenvoidyes, and when you open an application, it is the titlebar23:20
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zenvoidthe blue area is just included in the titlebar, the statusbar icons are floating on top23:20
Stskeepsyeah - the idea was to avoid titlebar and this home bar thing, and just integrate it into the menu button (the wierd square)23:21
zenvoidwell.. It is an ugly concept, I know...23:21
Stskeepsand i was wondering how easily to get rid of titlebar and the home area bar, rc file wise :)23:22
zenvoidI think that the home area is just a pixmap drawn in top of the wallpaper (with an area for menu)23:23
Stskeepsso it may be rc based23:24
zenvoidhmm... probably23:24
Stskeepsor code based23:24
zenvoidI will look tomorrow23:25
Stskeepsk - ta for the effort23:25
thopiekarStskeeps: what the f**k is the button left from the terminal-icon for?23:25
Stskeepsthopiekar: ugly art, but it's the menu button23:26
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zenvoidStskeeps: heh, I'm also interested in this, I really want a variable sized theme with no left panel ;-)23:26
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Stskeepsfor openmoko? ;)23:27
zenvoidmaybe :D23:27
zenvoidand screen rotation23:27
thopiekarisn't it too much near the mer-menu-icon.. people could "mis-touch" it..23:28
thopiekar^ Stskeeps23:28
Stskeepswell i see it as getting rid of the home area bar and the title bar in matchbox, and then making a thing in layout for the different gradients/stuff for the new pieces  / buttons23:29
Stskeeps-> zenvoid23:29
Stskeepsthopiekar: that's what 0.10 test is for23:29
thopiekark :P23:29
Stskeepsbbl  sleep23:30
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thopiekarwhere is the location of mcalendar's config file?23:31
thopiekaror files..23:31
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thopiekarthanks ( needed for a thread on )23:32
thopiekargerman n8x0-forum :P23:32
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thopiekaryes Khertan_n810 very nice app :P23:34
Khertan_n810screenshot of the current developpment version of mCalendar23:34
* thopiekar thinks that Khertan_n810 should use a spam bot for that :P23:34
VDVsx~seen thp23:34
infobotthp <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 7h 38m 24s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'.23:34
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infobotthopiekar is currently on #maemo (41m 26s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen thopiekar'.23:35
Khertan_n810a spam bot ? for what ?23:35
thopiekarfor your screenshots :P23:35
Khertan_n810only two link23:35
Khertan_n810but i can easily write one in python23:36
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* Khertan_n810 is currently fighting with his mutualised hoster and this twitter limit !23:38
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thopiekarthere is a twitter plugin for pidgin on
Khertan_n810yep but i m fighting to made a good cache on my website :)23:42
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thopiekarok.. cu all tomorrow.. time to get some sleep.. [22:44|10:44PM]23:45
Myrttimmmm cherry ♥23:45
Myrttithopiekar: WUSS!23:45
thopiekarMyrtti: WUSS? :P23:45
Myrtti2009-03-09 23:45:4023:45
MyrttiI'm still working!23:45
thopiekarMyrtti: timezone +2?23:46
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* thopiekar is one of the students in germany, who have to be at 7:30 [AM] at school -.-'23:47
GeneralAntilles7:30 is nothing.23:47
GeneralAntillesI had to be at school at 6:4023:47
thopiekarGeneralAntilles: omg that sucks..23:47
thopiekarfor how long?23:47
GeneralAntilles4 years23:47
Myrttiok, I guess I'm blessed23:48
GeneralAntillesIn college now, so I pick my own time. ;)23:48
Myrttiwe don't have fixed working hours23:48
Khertan_n810i leaving home at 6:0023:48
thopiekarfor me since summer 2008.. I changed to a technical grammar school..23:48
Khertan_n810to arriving at work at 8:3023:48
thopiekarKhertan_n810: wow23:48
GeneralAntillesYeah, my school commute is about 3-5 minutes23:48
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thopiekarKhertan_n810: kilometers?23:48
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Khertan_n810this is while i dev onboard on my nit23:48
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GeneralAntillesThen 20 minutes to find a parking space, and another 20 to walk to class.23:48
Myrttiok, I guess I'm lucky. My work commute is about three meters.23:49
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Khertan_n810thopiekar : not so much, just stupid french train23:49
Myrttichoo, go to bed then23:49
Khertan_n810to travel paris from north to south it s a real pain23:49
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thopiekarGeneralAntilles: that is hearing terrible.. the same thing all day..23:50
Khertan_n810i ve 4 change nothing direct23:50
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Khertan_n810when i see how s-bahn work in berlin ... i just want to make the jump23:50
thopiekarmore organisation in germany?23:50
Khertan_n810in paris all train go to the center like a star23:51
Khertan_n810you cannot travel in circle  or around paris without going to the center23:52
thopiekarour russian teacher told us about train of moscow... what he told should be more worse than in paris :)23:52
Khertan_n810not sure23:52
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Khertan_n810do not fforget surprize strike23:53
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Khertan_n810and not just only from train driver23:53
thopiekar:) loved thing of the germans..23:53
Khertan_n810when student is in strike they block train23:53
Khertan_n810same thing for many other worker ...23:54
Khertan_n810electricity company cut the power for train :)23:54
thopiekarI remember when the rail was broken and we were driving over it slowly... :P23:54
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thopiekarbefore we were driving over it the said that it will take unlimited time to repair that "technical issue" while standing in the middle of fields.. :)23:56
thopiekarI never had that before ..23:56
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thopiekarok but I really have to leave now.. cu :P23:58
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