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| guysoft42 | hey, does anyone know how i can run a sequence of commands to execute something over chroot as a user? | 00:37 |
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| sp3000 | Shopper-rot sounds like a terrible disease :D | 00:39 |
| Jaffa | guysoft42: Something like `sudo gainroot <<EOM\nid -u\n' | 00:40 |
| guysoft42 | Jaffa, i think i just found it , debbie ?? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | sp3000, after 4 hours following the missus round the town centre i get that disease | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | guysoft42: complete with trailing `EOM\n', of course | 00:41 |
| guysoft42 | Jaffa, whats debbie ?? | 00:42 |
| lbt | sp3000: incurable | 00:43 |
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| guysoft42 | Jaffa, yes.. they said that about ruby.. see where that ended | 00:45 |
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| lbt | whilst building Qt | 01:14 |
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| * b-man getting frustrated with gftp - it disconnects me when i try to upload multiple files at a time XP | 04:07 | |
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| Proteous | people still use ftp? | 04:38 |
| b-man | i do :P | 04:43 |
| b-man | for my ubuntu-n8x0 repository | 04:44 |
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| Macer | lenny is great | 05:34 |
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| Proteous | yes yes, we all like lenny, he's not too bright though | 06:19 |
| Proteous | always asking about the rabbits... | 06:19 |
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| johnx | Proteous, gftp does ssh as well | 06:42 |
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| Proteous | I like winscp | 06:49 |
| Proteous | it does ftp sftp and scp | 06:49 |
| johnx | ah cool, where's the winscp package for maemo? :D | 06:51 |
| jaem | johnx: *win*scp | 06:52 |
| jaem | ;) | 06:52 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:52 |
| jaem | I wasn't aware that Maemo was a MS OS | 06:53 |
| jaem | hehe | 06:53 |
| johnx | was making a point :> though it could just be the word "win"... | 06:54 |
| jaem | fair enough, but El Goog says that it is Windows-only | 06:56 |
| jaem | does anyone know what distro this runs: http://www.eurotech.com/EN/products.aspx?pg=Zypad%20WL%2011XX&pc=414 ? | 06:56 |
| jaem | aside from the QVGA 3.5" LCD, it looks quite nice | 06:57 |
| jaem | well, the proc could use a boost, too | 06:57 |
| doc|work | jaem: would be really nice if it was waterproof | 06:58 |
| johnx | maybe something with qtopia? | 06:58 |
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| jaem | doc|work, yeah, that would be important | 06:59 |
| doc|work | jaem: for people who do watersports | 06:59 |
| jaem | johnx: that sounds reasonable | 06:59 |
| doc|work | especially | 06:59 |
| doc|work | jaem: | 06:59 |
| doc|work | Environmental: | 06:59 |
| doc|work | ? Water resistant | 06:59 |
| jaem | if it had a better screen, I would be quite interested in it.... Mer, anyone? :P | 06:59 |
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| johnx | yeah, though I have mixed feelings about wrist computers that big | 07:03 |
| johnx | not just from a fashion point of view either | 07:04 |
| jaem | well, it doesn't look massive - just ugly | 07:04 |
| johnx | 3.5" is the screen diagonal | 07:04 |
| jaem | yes | 07:04 |
| johnx | it's not exactly small :) | 07:05 |
| jaem | then again, I usually walk around with several belt pouches, stuffed cargo pants, a gadget holster, and a few other things | 07:05 |
| johnx | yeah, but it's different when it's on your wrist vs on your waist | 07:05 |
| jaem | I'd rather have a decent sized screen than look fashionable | 07:06 |
| jaem | I don't anyway :P | 07:06 |
| johnx | like I said, I'd be more worried about it being awkward and getting in the way and weighing more than a half pound | 07:07 |
| jaem | that's true | 07:07 |
| johnx | but I had a better idea anyways :) | 07:07 |
| jaem | as soon as it gets better specs, and a price I can afford, instead of "contact our sales dept", I'm on it :p | 07:07 |
| jaem | oh? | 07:07 |
| johnx | you've seen the augmented reality stuff, right? | 07:07 |
| jaem | some, yes | 07:07 |
| jaem | a friend i showed that device to was joking about Star Wars style wrist holo-communicators | 07:08 |
| johnx | ah :) | 07:08 |
| johnx | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 07:08 |
| jaem | I said you could just have augmented reality goggles an d a plain metal armband with marker dots on it | 07:08 |
| jaem | no electronics needed in the armband | 07:08 |
| johnx | actually, that does make more sense | 07:08 |
| jaem | you'd just need to track it with a camera | 07:08 |
| johnx | I wouldn't mind having it be a functional watch when I didn't have goggles on though | 07:09 |
| jaem | I've seen a demo of that done with a kid's picture book turning 3D when you looked through goggles | 07:09 |
| jaem | haha | 07:09 |
| johnx | now all that's left is semi-transparent video glasses for some kind of reasonable price | 07:10 |
| jaem | yeah... have you seen anything close? | 07:11 |
| jaem | even for a high price? | 07:11 |
| Macer | hm | 07:12 |
| johnx | I've seen something that just covers the bottom of your vision | 07:12 |
| johnx | but it's not stereo | 07:12 |
| johnx | same picture in each monitor | 07:12 |
| johnx | and qvga | 07:13 |
| johnx | ouch, forgot about that last part | 07:13 |
| johnx | http://www.myvu.com/Shades-C25.aspx | 07:14 |
| Proteous | http://www.formfiftyfive.com/?s=GE+augments | 07:14 |
| johnx | yeah, was looking at that last night, but I don't have a webcam :) | 07:14 |
| Proteous | I do on my laptop but I don't have a printer | 07:15 |
| Proteous | lol | 07:15 |
| johnx | maybe you could just draw the dots? :D | 07:15 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:15 |
| johnx | actually, I don't have a printer either, but I didn't even remember that last night ... | 07:15 |
| jaem | I read somewhere (pamphlet at the optometrist's?) that the average adult human eye is roughly analogous to 100MP | 07:19 |
| jaem | I'm not sure what that's based on | 07:19 |
| jaem | but QVGA is definitely not good enough | 07:19 |
| Proteous | someone pulled it out of their, er, backside | 07:20 |
| Proteous | my eye's fstop is all messed up | 07:20 |
| johnx | I think I read that it was something like 2000px by 2000px | 07:21 |
| johnx | but again, don't remember the source :) | 07:21 |
| jaem | it's better than QVGA, at any rate | 07:21 |
| johnx | if you were just using it for a HUD then maybe it wouldn't be so bad... | 07:22 |
| jaem | mmhmm | 07:22 |
| jaem | are those those MyVu glasses actually for augmented vision, or just a glance-down-for-your-movie-glance-up-before-you-walk-off-the-cliff deal? | 07:23 |
| jaem | if you have to switch back and forth, they wouldn't be of much use | 07:24 |
| johnx | the latter :) | 07:24 |
| johnx | but you have to glance down at your wrist intentionally anyways | 07:24 |
| jaem | yes, but you could do other things | 07:24 |
| jaem | like paint markers on your friend's jackets that are invisible under normal light, and then have your HUD tag them with a special camera :P | 07:25 |
| * johnx imagines jaem sneaking around his friends' closets with some type of IR visible paint ... | 07:26 | |
| jaem | I /was/ kidding | 07:26 |
| jaem | but I'm really bad with names | 07:26 |
| johnx | but now you're not? :P | 07:26 |
| jaem | there are people at my uni who I met in first week, and have forgotten their names for over a year, despite seeing them several times a week >_< | 07:27 |
| johnx | yeah, I am too, but I can't picture the world presenting nice universal tags yet | 07:27 |
| jaem | so I end up finding excuses to ask their name, like putting their contact info into my PIM app, and asking them how they spell their name | 07:27 |
| jaem | me: "how do you spell that?" | 07:27 |
| jaem | them: "B. O. B...." | 07:27 |
| jaem | me: >_< | 07:27 |
| Proteous | lol | 07:28 |
| jaem | it's happened | 07:28 |
| Proteous | yeah | 07:28 |
| Proteous | I've used the same trick to similar results | 07:28 |
| jaem | grr... we have these dials on the heat vents in our dorms | 07:29 |
| johnx | I guess at this point AR seems like an opportunistic, proof-of-concept type thing, not a world changing thing...yet | 07:29 |
| jaem | the problem is, they don't seem to actually DO anything | 07:29 |
| jaem | johnx: then we need to change the world :P | 07:29 |
| johnx | right, but in the meantime I want a usable proof of concept :) | 07:29 |
| johnx | also, re: heat. My uni had central steam heat (!). They turned it on once a year and off once a year | 07:30 |
| jaem | oh yeah... that | 07:30 |
| jaem | well, it's kind of bad. In the dead of winter, you need to open and close your window about every 15 minutes, to keep it a liveable temperature | 07:30 |
| jaem | what that means in practice is that you end up cold, and still stinking of sweat | 07:31 |
| johnx | yeah, then there would be a sudden heat wave, and they would decide to turn it off, then it would get freezing again... | 07:31 |
| fireun | central steam heat is problematic | 07:31 |
| fireun | but when it works, its so nice | 07:32 |
| johnx | re: AR. the world does present a lot of tags that are worth knowing, even if we're a little far from on the fly OCR still... | 07:32 |
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| johnx | even if AR goggles could just parse out barcodes and qr codes it would be a nice step, and maybe provide a nice compass/map view when idle | 07:34 |
| jaem | I'm also interested in some of those augmented-senses experiments | 07:34 |
| johnx | the compass-belt one? | 07:35 |
| jaem | yeah, that | 07:35 |
| johnx | that looked quite neat :) | 07:35 |
| jaem | I was actually tempted to try it | 07:35 |
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| johnx | have you seen the one where they were swinging a bat at the guy from behind and it triggered motion/range detectors that alerted him? | 07:35 |
| jaem | no - link? | 07:36 |
| johnx | errr...was a while ago, let me find it | 07:36 |
| jaem | then there was the one where they made people where video goggles that inverted everything, and after several weeks, their brains flipped it back automatically | 07:36 |
| jaem | then when they took them off, everything was upside down again >_< | 07:36 |
| jaem | hmmm... I was looking for a compass in the *sub*-$800 range | 07:37 |
| jaem | and I don't need RS-485 | 07:37 |
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| johnx | get that htc android powered digital compass. it comes with a cell phone :) | 07:38 |
| jaem | haha | 07:38 |
| jaem | I think Android is an interesting phenomenon, and hopefully a good thing for the market, but I don't want one, personally | 07:38 |
| johnx | it's cheaper than an $800 compass though :) | 07:39 |
| jaem | do you know how the OpenMoko OS is doing these days? I haven't been following it for a while | 07:39 |
| jaem | well, there are $35 compasses, too :) | 07:39 |
| johnx | also, before I forget: I have the AR solution to forgetting names. have your device associate names with bluetooth devices that person carries :) | 07:39 |
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| jaem | isn't there a maemo package for that? | 07:40 |
| jaem | in Garage? | 07:40 |
| johnx | is there? | 07:40 |
| jaem | I think so | 07:40 |
| jaem | blue radar, or some such thing | 07:40 |
| jaem | the one issue with that is that the devices either have to be always discoverable (bad) or you have to keep interrogating the vicinity for known MACs (also bad) | 07:41 |
| benson[away] | Or interrogate the vinicity only when you need some information (not quite as bad) | 07:42 |
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| jaem | true, but with BT's range, it's probably quicker to walk around the immediate area to see if your friends are there, rather than scanning for them | 07:43 |
| jaem | hello, qgil | 07:43 |
| qgil | mornin' | 07:43 |
| fauxmight | Anyone use cairo clock much? (on maemo) Trying to change theme. | 07:44 |
| qgil | is it just me feeling that there has been a new wave of Maemo newbies? | 07:44 |
| jaem | benson: we need one of those BT mods that can throw a signal a few clicks | 07:44 |
| benson | qgil: no | 07:44 |
| jaem | qgil: looks like it to me, too | 07:44 |
| benson | qgil: it's because of the $220 price on buy.com a while back. | 07:44 |
| qgil | I wonder whether they are new N8*0 users, former ussers re-attracted by Fremantle announcements, both... | 07:45 |
| qgil | many of them seem to have good linux skills | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | $220? I got mine for ~$190 | 07:45 |
| qgil | benson: ah ok | 07:45 |
| johnx | ~$200 seems to be the magic price for an impulse purchase by linux users who want to hack/play | 07:46 |
| benson | jaem: Yes! But those are mostly directional antennae, so we'll need a helmet with a radome... | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | honestly, does anyone buy N8*0 for anything other than Linux? | 07:46 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yes | 07:46 |
| jaem | benson: this is sounding more and more like it might make the boys at your local telecom regulations office upset :P | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 07:47 |
| jaem | luke-jr: I bought mine largely because it ran Linux, but it was also (IMO) one of the best options that wasn't a phone | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't mind phone tech builtin | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | I'm hoping to use it to keep me more organized | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | but I don't run non-Linux :p | 07:48 |
| jaem | I wouldn't either, but I'm stuck on a plan with Telus, a Canadian cell carrier who doesn't actually run anything from this century | 07:48 |
| jaem | so if I bought a smartphone now, it would be rather useless | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | my phone isn't from this century, I think | 07:48 |
| benson | luke-jr: Yes, haven't you seen the rant threads on itT from people who bought it for other reasons than Linux and didn't like it? | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | benson: haha, no, I let Google filter what I read at ITT ;) | 07:49 |
| benson | They're good for entertainment. | 07:49 |
| jaem | OT, but is Archos as bad as people say they are, in terms of being closed and unfriendly? I'm trying to convince a friend to pick up an N8x0, but he's eyeing the Archos units | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | Linux was a good part of why I bought mine and I'm slightly disappointed; I can only imagine how bad it would be for someone who couldn't care less | 07:50 |
| benson | But it's hard to tell the sincere ones from the trolls sometimes. I just cannot understand a lot of (presumably honest) viewpoints. | 07:50 |
| jaem | I knew what I was buying, so I'm not disappointed | 07:50 |
| jaem | if the RX-51 was closer to coming out, I might have waited | 07:51 |
| jaem | but I'm pretty happy | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | jaem: my disappointment isn't N8*0-specific, tbh | 07:51 |
| benson | jaem: I don't have any Archosen, but from everything I've read, yes. | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | it's more of my general disappointment in the low quality of every OS | 07:51 |
| jaem | it's just annoying that the RX-51 looks to fix all the things I /did/ find annoying about the N810 | 07:51 |
| jaem | benson: thanks | 07:51 |
| johnx | benson, lot's of people ascribe functionality to things they're planning to buy that has no basis in reality. It's an interesting phenomenon... | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | jaem: I think the biggest disappointment for me is the terrible keyboard | 07:52 |
| * benson worries about the RX-51's D-pad and menu key... | 07:52 | |
| jaem | luke-jr: I actually don't mind it | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | jaem: you must have never owned a Zaurus clamshell ;) | 07:52 |
| jaem | I wanted something I could stick in my pocket, not something to type essays on | 07:52 |
| jaem | no, I haven't | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | I enjoyed typing on my Zaurus, while it still fit in my pocket | 07:53 |
| benson | Keyboard's fine, IMHO, but it's almost impossible to use when closed. | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | the N810's keyboard is just a pain to use | 07:53 |
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| luke-jr | especially without a number row, tab key, etc | 07:53 |
| jaem | the lack of tab (and pipe) keys are my only disappointment | 07:53 |
| LopLiii | thats truly is for zaur | 07:53 |
| benson | You can't do fullscreen, because you can't get at the menu. | 07:53 |
| fireun | I like my 770 for carry around, then I've got a PSP game bag with charger and fold out keyboard that is lighter and smaller than any laptop I could take and still type up a paper outline. | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | I can't type useful stuff while I walk around with my wife shopping ;) | 07:54 |
| fireun | because you have to push the cart? | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | generally, I've found that I avoid typign on my N810-- switching to SSH from my desktop when possible | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | fireun: because I have to use the Fn key, and it's so easy to press the wrong keys | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | with my Zaurus, it was comfortable enough for regular use as a laptop if need be | 07:55 |
| LopLiii | n810 keyb is just not tooo useful because lack of ergonomics design | 07:56 |
| benson | My only real complaint about the keyboard is the qwerty layout. It's retarded. | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | benson: I'm sure you can remap it like on a normal PC | 07:56 |
| LopLiii | zaurus keyb is very good but not too good compared to jornada (btw the size is diff) | 07:57 |
| benson | This is *not* a typewriter, does *not* suffer from adjacent keys jamming, and my (presumed) touch-typing skills do *not* transfer! | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | benson: that last point is very good | 07:58 |
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| luke-jr | (the first two are good, but obvious ;) | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | I suspect marketting likes QWERTY because people don't think up that last bit tho | 07:59 |
| jaem | luke-jr: tha is a good point - most people would balk at a Dvorak layout, before even trying it | 08:00 |
| jaem | are there any cheap deals for N810s that ship to Canada? | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | well, not even necessarily Dvorak | 08:00 |
| benson | It's not alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*. | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | typing on a N8*0 is so different from keyboard typing that it probably needs its own design | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | jaem: ebay ☺ | 08:00 |
| benson | s/not/not as if/ | 08:00 |
| johnx | here's the other set of glasses I was looking at: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_wrap920av.html | 08:00 |
| infobot | benson meant: It's not as if alphabetic (my preference) is any _faster_, but it's no slower, and it's more *logical* and *sane*. | 08:00 |
| jaem | luke-jr: somewhere reputable | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | johnx: AR? | 08:01 |
| johnx | yeah. see-through | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | johnx: but not fully AR? | 08:01 |
| johnx | it's not out yet, but they mention AR in the blurb I linked | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | yeah, it sounds like a partial AR thing | 08:02 |
| jaem | "PCs & Laptops with S-Video".... Beagleboard, anyone? | 08:02 |
| jaem | it's small enough to be a wearable computer | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | I think my wife will kill me if I ever do get a wearable:p | 08:03 |
| jaem | luke-jr: that reminds me of a review of an AR system from PopSci several years back | 08:03 |
| jaem | "I felt like James Bond... until my wife said 'you're not actually going outside like that, are you?!'" | 08:04 |
| johnx | luke-jr, my wife said she would have to judge whether it was cool enough before I bought it :) | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | jaem: well, the problem would be in bed.. | 08:04 |
| jaem | johnx: hehe | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | I wonder how difficult it would be to get a wearable powered by body movement.. | 08:05 |
| LopLiii | hi john, have you going back to us? | 08:05 |
| johnx | LopLiii, I am soon. April 2nd | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | mini generators in some gloves you wear while you pretend-type | 08:05 |
| johnx | in fact, I have to move a book shelf to someone else's house today ... | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | providing both keyboard input and power source | 08:05 |
| johnx | luke-jr, better to do it with the shoes I think | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | johnx: what moves inside your shoes? | 08:06 |
| johnx | luke-jr, depends on whether you ever walk anywhere I guess... | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 08:06 |
| LopLiii | :) john, hope you already have all the latest gadg from ja before u go back :) ... | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | if walking, knees would probably be ideal | 08:06 |
| jaem | luke-jr: regarding that, let me find a link | 08:07 |
| johnx | luke-jr, but if you base it out of shoe compression it's "free" energy | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | o i c | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | true | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: 10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article | 08:07 |
| johnx | LopLiii, yeah, but stuff here is expensive. Did you have anything in mind? :) | 08:07 |
| jaem | luke-jr: http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/media_releases/media_releases_archive/media_release02070801.html | 08:07 |
| jaem | from my uni | 08:07 |
| jaem | sts: which article is this? I must have missed it somehow | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | people need to stop thinking of these ideas before me :< | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | or at least implement them when they patent them | 08:08 |
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| LopLiii | yeah too expensive, you right john :), actually there is much.... | 08:10 |
| LopLiii | sory i guess i miss about nokia rx51 thing luke-jr, do u have any review link? | 08:13 |
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| LopLiii | hi anyone know about good "lib" repository address for os2006? its hard to find... | 08:14 |
| jaem | LopLiii: RX-51 is the code name for the new tablet, which hasn't been officially announced yet, hence, no review | 08:16 |
| jaem | you can find some early information on maemo.org | 08:16 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: "10 bucks some of the knowledged newbies comes from that n810 as sys admins tool article" - anybody has the URL? | 08:28 |
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| * jaem was wondering the same thing | 08:29 | |
| Stskeeps | there was some mention on iTT.. lemme see | 08:31 |
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| qgil | http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/mobile-web-server for S60 - opinions? | 08:35 |
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| jaem | qgil: I saw that, and it looked quite interesting, but I don't have an S60 device :( | 08:35 |
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| johnx | I was thinking about a similar idea a couple times before, but I think a reverse proxy server would be an important part of any system that worked like that | 08:37 |
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| jaem | does anyone know how much space one would need for b-man's minimal Ubuntu install, with the E17 debs? | 08:38 |
| jaem | I don't have a spare card, and I can't wipe my 8GB at the moment | 08:39 |
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| johnx | jaem, ha! found it! haptic radar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_MwrkDOVU | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | you know it's monday when you get dragged to work at 7:45am and the first thing your desktop does is refuse to turn on it's screens.. | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | forcing you to rreboot | 09:00 |
| johnx | here, monday is 'move your bookshelf on public transportation' day :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | dear god | 09:01 |
| johnx | thankfully it's disassembled and it's just the upright pieces, but still... | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds worse than dragging a tower pc across denmark in a train | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:02 |
| johnx | yeah, i'm thinking it should be interesting | 09:02 |
| johnx | and actually I should go now to beat rush hour :) | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | blah, can't find the sysadmin article. there was one back in 2007 in red hat magazine but i doubt this is the one :) | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | remoo all | 09:14 |
| c_j_curtis | Hey RST38h | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Anyone with a TI84+ or TI84+SE? | 09:15 |
| RST38h | And willing to run a program? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, TI83+ only at home | 09:15 |
| RST38h | (ah, TI83+SE is also interesting) | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | se? hmm | 09:15 |
| c_j_curtis | How have you been RST38h? | 09:16 |
| RST38h | ok, thanks | 09:18 |
| c_j_curtis | Good to hear. :) | 09:22 |
| radic | good morning Stskeeps | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | morning radic | 09:23 |
| radic | TI84? the calculator? | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hm-statusbar-container.c:177: warning: missing sentinel in function call | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | wtf. | 09:32 |
| timelE61i | cool | 09:32 |
| timelE61i | Google ;) | 09:32 |
| geoaxis | i hate Google, offically | 09:32 |
| geoaxis | where can i find T-shirts for that | 09:33 |
| timelE61i | Cafepress? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so it may mean tag but still... a person or thing that watches or stands as if watching. | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | i was pondering if for a second my code had become sentient(sp) :P | 09:34 |
| RST38h | didn't it say "missing" though? :) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | true, but if it compiled before and the sentient being had escaped.. ;) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | that would truely be a monday. | 09:37 |
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| Meiz_n810 | KDE 4 is still as slow as hell... | 09:52 |
| Proteous | how slow is hell, really? | 09:52 |
| Proteous | I always though of it as a somewhat fast paces afterlife | 09:53 |
| Proteous | er pace | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: hell is slow because of all the bureaucrats ending there | 09:53 |
| Proteous | they like to keep things moving down there | 09:53 |
| geoaxis | i used to have a scientific scale of measuring slow systems | 09:53 |
| Proteous | from one torture to the next | 09:53 |
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| geoaxis | if i started some thing and it was not firing up, i would say a long profanaity, and if i was able to complete that profanity before it all started ..i would call it as hell slow | 09:54 |
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| timeless | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27117305 | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:09 |
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| hahlo | How much worst is jffs2 performance comparing to sd-card ext2 or ext3? | 10:11 |
| hahlo | Can i notice the difference? | 10:11 |
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| timeless | so, that article tells me that half of mobile slashdot readers own n8x0s :) | 10:12 |
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| hahlo | Should one always boot diablo from sdcard? | 10:15 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:26 |
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| cmug | Hi, fremantle newbie discussion here or somewhere else? | 10:31 |
| cmug | I'm having trouble getting it installed | 10:31 |
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| timeless | cmug: here | 10:33 |
| cmug | ok, Im installing the nokia-binaries inside scratchbox, and it dies when installing libgles1-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb and libgles2-sgx-img_0.20081031.1-18_armel.deb | 10:35 |
| cmug | I am following the instructions on maemo.org | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png , excepting some theme artefacts, it actually works | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | even though i think i should have status bar going right-to-left | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | and missing artwork, obviously | 10:40 |
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| cmug | Any ideas what can be wrong in my scratchbox? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | cmug: pastebin your errors on http://rafb.net/paste and give us the url | 10:52 |
| cmug | Stskeeps, ok sure | 10:52 |
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| cmug | http://rafb.net/p/1nLkvk98.html | 10:54 |
| yerga | cmug, are you using fakeroot? | 10:54 |
| cmug | yerga, no | 10:55 |
| yerga | try with it | 10:55 |
| cmug | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ i'm following these | 10:55 |
| cmug | same error with fakeroot | 10:55 |
| cmug | my OS is Ubuntu 8.10 running Openbox.. that can't affect can it? | 10:58 |
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| cmug | actually, check out: http://rafb.net/p/3v1A3v39.html if that makes sense to you guys | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | same result with fakeroot? | 11:01 |
| cmug | no then it actually works | 11:01 |
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| X-Fade | Sweet! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-March/005465.html | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, neat | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | Autobuilder for Fremantle is now up and running! :) | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | awkward question, what does fremantle SDK target processor wise? | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | I guess what cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 targets by default :) | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:04 |
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| X-Fade | I kept thumb,vfp for now. | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | Not seen any other mandatory cpu options yet. | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, .. i think it targets arm7 really | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | since people had trouble using software from it on maemo4 | 11:05 |
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| X-Fade | It is the first SDK to use a newer compiler set. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, which was needed :P | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, for sure ;) | 11:06 |
| sans | I have installed the Maemo and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator? | 11:06 |
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| crashanddie | it's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27115967 | 11:19 |
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| sans | I have installed the Maemo and installed Nokia binaries on top of it. When I run the emulator and open the web browser on it, it does not respond at all. Can somebody help me how should I browse using the emulator? | 11:29 |
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| crashanddie | sans: you might want to qualify that request to be honest | 11:35 |
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| sans | crashanddie:how do i qualify that request to be honest? | 12:15 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | sans: explain more exactly what your problem is. Software versions, software denomination, all that | 12:17 |
| lardman | I never even realised the browser was released for x86 | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | neither did I | 12:19 |
| lardman | sans: are you trying this in the armel targer? | 12:19 |
| sans | no i am tryin on x86 | 12:19 |
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| Jaffa | I didn't think the browser was released in the SDK, let alone x86 | 12:20 |
| sans | after installation i got an browser icon on my maemo on the navigation bar of x86 givin an option open new browser but it doesn't response | 12:21 |
| lardman | sans: look and see if the target is there. i.e. look in the .desktop file for that link | 12:21 |
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| crashanddie | sans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such advancements | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | s/advancements/features/ | 12:23 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: sans: I doubt that will work, the QEMU version of Maemo is extremely limited compared to what we get on the device, the reason behind this is that there are no specific use cases requiring such features | 12:23 |
| sans | thanks :) | 12:24 |
| zenvoid | I've managed to crash gcc :D | 12:28 |
| zenvoid | test.c:19: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault, Please submit a full bug report[...] | 12:28 |
| zenvoid | under sbox2 | 12:29 |
| zenvoid | XD | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid! | 12:29 |
| zenvoid | hello Stskeeps | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: did you read my jaiku about theme stuff? | 12:29 |
| zenvoid | oops, no, sorry | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, don't apologize :) basically, i've started to implement the new mer ui from wazd | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | (bad artwork, obviously) | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | it also makes the ui more scalable in resolution | 12:30 |
| lardman | are the tabs part of vmware? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:32 |
| lardman | ok, a bit strange looking if not :D | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly it wouldn't look that bad as a theme though, but not very touch friendly | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:33 |
| zenvoid | OK | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | and we might have to do some changes to liberty to get it to work ok :P | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | i've had to set titlebar height to 0 for instance in theme.xml | 12:34 |
| zenvoid | it is matchbox1 or the now one? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | mb1 | 12:35 |
| zenvoid | s/now/new/ | 12:35 |
| infobot | zenvoid meant: it is matchbox1 or the new one? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | we don't adopt mb2 until there's MBX drivers | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | also there's some oddities with task bar icons as you can see :P | 12:36 |
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| zenvoid | I'll try to adapt the artwork | 12:37 |
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| zenvoid | and what happens when you push the Mer button at the left? | 12:39 |
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| zenvoid | ok, I found the answer in your jaiku ;-) | 12:42 |
| Myrtti | Jaiku ♥ | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: alright, lemme just see what diffs i made to the theme | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | oh fucking yes. NIN at my favourite music festival | 13:02 |
| * Myrtti wants to see Radiohead live, cries | 13:02 | |
| Stskeeps | saw them at roskilde last year, was awesome :P | 13:02 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: is your patched matchbox at repository.mer.tspre.org? | 13:02 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: shut up. | 13:03 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: didn't patch matchbox specifically for the new ui | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i am uploading the different stuff atm | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: http://rafb.net/p/hBXTuw12.html only modification i did to the theme | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | (we don't have a title bar so) | 13:06 |
| zenvoid | ok | 13:07 |
| zenvoid | it is needed a new hindon-theme-layout, suggestions for the name of the new package? :P | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | hildon-theme-layout-4-mer? :P | 13:10 |
| zenvoid | hildon-theme-layout-mer1 ? | 13:10 |
| zenvoid | or -1mer | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-theme-layout-mer maybe | 13:11 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: you're updating mer with your new layout? | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | murrayc: Autobuilder is ready to accept your c++ libs etc. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: yeah | 13:11 |
| murrayc | X-Fade. Thanks. | 13:12 |
| Corsac | woot | 13:12 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: so when upgrading tonight I'll have a new shiny UI? thanks! | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | hope to have it ready for 0.10 | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: maybe not directly, we still need artwork :) | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | and you'd probably need to rm -rf .osso/hildon-desktop to catch the updated layout | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png | 13:14 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: ok | 13:16 |
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| lcuk | :D how many levels of repos are we gonna have before the end of today? | 13:22 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: 4.3 | 13:29 |
| lcuk | ahhh we have gone into complex quantities, the server cannot take it. | 13:30 |
| lcuk | how you doin crashanddie, im stressing with a tooltip bug in winblows | 13:31 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: complex repositories wouldn't such a difficult thing. I've had imaginary repositories for quite some time! | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: pretty good, fucking busy, but good nonetheless | 13:34 |
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| cmug | busy fucking sounds good | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | cmug, whenever i try my laptop falls off my mistresses back and i have trouble answering the phone | 13:45 |
| lardman | mistresses' ?! | 13:46 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:46 |
| lcuk | well i am a busy guy :D | 13:46 |
| lardman | laptop on one back, phone on another's | 13:46 |
| cmug | http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/03/06/beta-to-rc-changes-turning-windows-features-on-or-off.aspx | 13:46 |
| cmug | wrong paste | 13:46 |
| cmug | http://rafb.net/p/gMYqVd14.html any ideas about this erro? | 13:46 |
| cmug | lcuk, sounds like fun | 13:47 |
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| lardman | ~lart boundary conditions | 13:51 |
| * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives boundary conditions a good jolt | 13:51 | |
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| Stskeeps | damnit | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | why so many arm devices that i would like to have | 13:56 |
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| lardman | what's the latest on your wishlist? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | sheevaplug | 13:56 |
| lardman | $50 | 13:59 |
| lardman | just don't go out on Friday night, and there you go :) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | well that's in bundles, 100$ for devel kit | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | still though | 14:00 |
| lardman | ah ok, well skip Sat night too then ;) | 14:00 |
| suihkulokki | 11:19 < crashanddie> it's like itT or #maemo invaded slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1153421&cid=27115967 | 14:01 |
| suihkulokki | really? I didn't see much complaining there | 14:02 |
| suihkulokki | </evil grin> | 14:02 |
| lcuk | and thankfully theres no avatar images | 14:07 |
| * lcuk shudders at what some folks might use | 14:07 | |
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| VDVsx | woow, another council candidate :P | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | two candidates mentioning mer, woo :P | 14:10 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, they are trying to buy votes from the Mer people :P | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i already decided who i'd vote for | 14:12 |
| lardman | you saying $100k wouldn't sway your mind? ;) | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | You can vote for multiple people ;) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | you can? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | what system did we end up on again? | 14:13 |
| VDVsx | single tranf vote, I think | 14:14 |
| X-Fade | preferential | 14:14 |
| derf | lardman: I checked in a few updates to the QR code decoder, by the way. | 14:14 |
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| derf | Is anything actually happening with maemo-barcode these days? | 14:15 |
| lardman | derf: ok, how fast does it run these days? dtmx is far too slow | 14:15 |
| derf | Well, it should be much faster now, I think. | 14:16 |
| lardman | derf: yeah, in a branch, I've got something half working, but I'm severely time limited atm | 14:16 |
| derf | I didn't speed test it on the device. | 14:16 |
| derf | lardman: Join the club. | 14:16 |
| lardman | pita all this work that has to be done ;) | 14:16 |
| derf | The only reason I had time was because I was waiting for a bunch of data to get generated for a different project. | 14:16 |
| lardman | I've managed one morning's worth of programming in the last 2 weeks (where morning=7-8.30 before work) | 14:17 |
| derf | Anyway, the big change is the binarization method. | 14:17 |
| lardman | ok, will take a look | 14:17 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps, I need some help to understand the new UI | 14:17 |
| derf | It turns out simple adaptive thresholding really is much better. | 14:17 |
| lardman | I suppose I'll start up the QR and dtmx codes in a couple of threads and let them do their thing without stalling the fast 1D code | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: ok, did you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Desktop_layout ? | 14:18 |
| derf | Just because all of the algorithms that try to estimate a "noise level" look at the high entropy region in code itself, and always over-filter it to some degree. | 14:18 |
| lardman | derf: I've got a very hacky binary up: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ | 14:18 |
| lardman | needs SQLite | 14:19 |
| * lardman far prefers writing algorithmic code to UI code | 14:20 | |
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| derf | Yes, I believe I'm that club, too. | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: i've updated layout, hildon-desktop and apt-get install marquee-plugins | 14:20 |
| * lcuk prefers writing algorithmic UI code | 14:21 | |
| lardman | derf: or perhaps it's just that I don't like GTK+ tree|listview code | 14:21 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ok, I think it is just me, I need to dig a bit into it to understand it better | 14:21 |
| derf | I can't say I blame you. | 14:21 |
| derf | Treeview code sucks in every toolkit I've ever seen. | 14:21 |
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| lardman | lcuk: you're just weird though ;) | 14:21 |
| roope | mer ui designesr: have you considered getting rid of the status icons (moving them to some menu etc.) in the normal application views. | 14:21 |
| lardman | drat, haven't done my Spanish homework | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | roope: not yet, is it like that in fremantle? (can't remember) | 14:22 |
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| roope | stskeeps: the fremantle design isn't yet published, sorry. but. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | roope: ah, sorry, referred to devel theme :) | 14:22 |
| roope | having all those icons there clutters those ui's a fair amount. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | right now we're just trying out to see if wazd's mockup can work, and then hope to align further with fremantle when design is published | 14:23 |
| roope | I mean do you really need to see them all the time vs. could you place them accessible behind something else. | 14:23 |
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| roope | I personally liked the older mockups more. | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | i think it wouldn't be half bad to have them in a way similar to switcher menu | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | but we'll see.. it is a tad more complicated to move out the statusbar icons than it is to move out let's say, running applications | 14:25 |
| zenvoid | I'm curious about the close and minimize buttons, they were in the title bar but it is zero size now (?) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yup. magic x idea | 14:25 |
| zenvoid | ah, ok | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: the reason i need zero size is cos else menu button doesn't work | 14:25 |
| roope | sorry, what was the magic x? | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | its something that occurs when you stop dating a witch | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | roope: just an experiment really. instead of forcing an actual close when clicking x, it will present the old switcher menu - combined minimize and close menu | 14:26 |
| * lcuk doesnt really know either | 14:26 | |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png (ugly art) | 14:26 |
| zenvoid | I guess a plugin in the marquee sends a signal to the zero height title bar, or something like that... | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: yeah.. something like that | 14:27 |
| zenvoid | :) | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | roope: in the old ui i had a bad bad tendancy to close accidentially | 14:29 |
| lcuk | roope, you have obviously had hands on time with the other nokia touch devices: how comfy is the plectrum stylus on the (i think its) n97 | 14:29 |
| aquatix | 5800 xpressmusic i thought? | 14:30 |
| glass | n97 isn't out | 14:30 |
| lcuk | maybe, i just recall seeing it | 14:30 |
| glass | 5800 is out | 14:30 |
| * aquatix likes the n97 | 14:30 | |
| glass | lcuk: i've found out that most of the time i don't need the stylus | 14:30 |
| aquatix | the looks of it | 14:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Any working video player (with xvid and divx) for 5800? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | glass, yeah but im trying to work out if its comfy for writing with | 14:31 |
| glass | lcuk: text input is fine with maemostylish fullscreen input | 14:31 |
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| glass | RST38h: haven't been keeping up, usually it's best to transcode, at least was on n95 since it had accel on some decoding.. | 14:31 |
| glass | lcuk: handwriting recog? can't comment on that, i hate that stuff on everything | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | any mac users btw? good suggestions for cd rippers (into mp3, must not be itunes) | 14:32 |
| roope | lcuk: you mean the 5800, I guess. Well, it's a normal pleck, really. Guitarists find it comfy. :) | 14:32 |
| * lcuk REALLY wants to strum his nokia using the plectrum | 14:32 | |
| roope | non-guitarists are probably not used to holding one. the tip shape isn't really optimal. | 14:32 |
| lcuk | i dont use one lol, but i know a normal stylus is wrong shape | 14:32 |
| roope | but non-optimal is still pretty ok. | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: guitar hero on tablet? :P | 14:32 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hildon-theme-layout-4 is based on fixed size pixmaps, and I'm struggling to understand how change it for variable sized marquee | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: alright | 14:33 |
| lcuk | ill show you in the next vid/code drop | 14:33 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: probably the layout in ubuntu would be a better start? what do you think? | 14:33 |
| roope | Imho it's a gimmick to try to make the device look cool. | 14:33 |
| lcuk | calendar scrolls so sexily i keep strumming it up n down | 14:33 |
| roope | Nokia isn't terribly good in those gimmicks. | 14:33 |
| Corsac | lcuk: which calendar? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 14:34 |
| lcuk | mine :) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | thats a preprepreprepreprepre test | 14:34 |
| lcuk | it all scrolls now ;) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | and has editor (of sorts) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | and other stuff missing from there | 14:34 |
| * lcuk likes his kinetic map once again | 14:34 | |
| lcuk | this time its my hometown! | 14:35 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I will look at the ubuntu mobile theme | 14:35 |
| Corsac | is it available to test on? :) | 14:35 |
| lcuk | corsac :) not yet, its being nurtured and fed and coaxed and trained on my little tablet :) | 14:36 |
| lcuk | if its premature it wont work properly | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: well i think the most issue is a gradient background for the marquee (repeating background) | 14:36 |
| lcuk | there is the original released version which has the editors and other things in place | 14:37 |
| * lcuk still wishes he could get more time to work on it | 14:37 | |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: and then the app switcher buttons (may be called something else) | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and the switcher menu stuff | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's the "problems" i've seen so far | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you apt-get dist-upgrade a vmdk you'd see it right away (and remember to apt-get install marquee-plugins), after rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop | 14:48 |
| zenvoid | ok | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'll work on getting rid of the Home bar.. | 14:49 |
| zenvoid | ? | 14:49 |
| zenvoid | what is the home bar? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png | 14:50 |
| zenvoid | :D | 14:50 |
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| zenvoid | I see... is it draw by hildon-desktop? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | this reminds me of fremantle http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16706-shocking-cancer-treatment-may-also-yield-weapon.html | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | some of it, heh | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i just disabled the home bar.. | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, the menu | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | obvious result: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/nohomebar.png | 14:54 |
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| zenvoid | well done, hehe | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's really some challenges to adjusting this stuff :) | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: is there any border stuff in theme that makes it resolution dependent? let's say we take the marquee background and repeat it | 14:58 |
| zenvoid | everything is resolution dependent at this moment ;-) | 14:59 |
| lcuk | keep the resolution, change the dpi :P | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hmm | 14:59 |
| zenvoid | a svg theme would be great :P | 15:00 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, performance issues and the fact giving people the ability to make svg icons tends to make them make mona lisas for something that occupies 20 pixels square :D | 15:01 |
| * lcuk dreads the day wazd can use svg :p | 15:02 | |
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| aquatix | mona lisa isn't that large in real life | 15:02 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | but she has 60 years of changes covered over time and again | 15:02 |
| zenvoid | I've read some time ago that sometimes avg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons | 15:04 |
| zenvoid | s/avg/svg/ | 15:04 |
| infobot | zenvoid meant: I've read some time ago that sometimes svg takes less time to render than png files, because of the png compression algorithm. Obviosly, it depends on the complexity of the svg icons | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: style "hildon-navigator" | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | { bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = "../images/mb_marquee_background.png" | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | } | 15:04 |
| zenvoid | hmmm.. I see | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@carsten-tablet:/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic$ file images/mb_marquee_background.png | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | images/mb_marquee_background.png: PNG image, 18 x 52, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced | 15:04 |
| zenvoid | I'll try to mix mobilebasic with our theme-layout | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | ta, appreciate the work | 15:06 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, if you are reading and decompressing the png every single time you render it then something is wrong - but agreed, initial startup of png is greater than for a simple svg (but you can get more complex svg which will take longer) | 15:08 |
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| zenvoid | lcuk: oh, you are right about the initial startup times | 15:51 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: and svg files could also be saved as pixmaps in memory once read the first time, so in theory they should be rendered only when the screen resolution (or orientation) changes | 15:52 |
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| zenvoid | I'm not volunteering to implement that, though :P | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: i think there's a nokia thing that does that (closed source) though | 15:55 |
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| kozak | Hi Stskeeps! | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | lo kozak | 16:01 |
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| kozak | its been a while since I got my hands on the beagle.... had lotss of stuff at work... | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, similar here | 16:02 |
| kozak | yeah and looks like things are going to be even more stuffed up in the coming months | 16:03 |
| aquatix | heh, interesting MID: http://www.slashgear.com/umid-m1-mid-hands-on-1734755/ en http://www.slashgear.com/umid-m1-mid-typing-demo-video-gallery-2135296/ | 16:03 |
| aquatix | s/en/and | 16:03 |
| kozak | hows work on Mer coming | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | kozak: decent, we're implementing new desktop | 16:03 |
| kozak | cool | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-ui-implemented.png early ugly artwork :) | 16:05 |
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| kozak | looks like a full fledged one under construction! | 16:07 |
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| kozak | Is it the app list on the right ? or is it a separate app for now | 16:07 |
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| ignacius | take a look at this | 16:08 |
| ignacius | http://www.osnews.com/story/21075/Want_Touch_Book | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ignacius: seen | 16:08 |
| ignacius | :-) | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, the top is Application Menu, Menu Button (the one formerly in title bar), and then it is Quick switch applications (as in, the last three-four-five-etc started), and then status bar applets, and the X has the rest of the apps | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | and also closes applications | 16:08 |
| GAN800 | keesj, glad to see your nomination. :) | 16:09 |
| Corsac | I love his french accent | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: did you get prodded by lwn guy btw? | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | ~seen thp | 16:11 |
| infobot | thp <n=thp@khan.thpinfo.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 15m 3s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'. | 16:11 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, not so far as I've notice, unless he hit my mac.com account. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: alright | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | got cc'ed on quim's answers to him so :) | 16:12 |
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| Jaffa | LWN guy? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, someone writing an article on Mer | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 16:14 |
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| zenvoid | (watching the netbook video) it's funny that I can understand much better a french person speaking english than an english speaking english, I'm not sure why | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:19 |
| johnx | native english speakers tend to have horrible enunciation :) | 16:20 |
| johnx | they don't think about it at all | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo johnx | 16:20 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps :) | 16:20 |
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| zenvoid | hey johnx! nice to "see" you again :) | 16:20 |
| johnx | you too, zenvoid | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: implemented all "features" | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | of the new UI | 16:21 |
| johnx | yeah, just looked at the screenshot | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | what drags in liberty btw? hildon-desktop-env? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | and dragging in h-d-layout-alpha | 16:23 |
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| johnx | one sec, nothing booted to mer right now | 16:24 |
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| rzr | anyone can provide a n8x0 product id , then i'll can download and image to test on qemu ? :) | 16:30 |
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| zenvoid | rzr, it is very easy to create one, it is just a MAC address between a range :P | 16:31 |
| rzr | a range between 0 and 2^128 ? | 16:31 |
| zenvoid | I will say you the trick in private query, nokia may be reading ;-) | 16:32 |
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| tank-man | Damn you DST, you time thief. My n800 skipped forward 1 hour correctly, but all my alarms went forward 1 hr too | 16:36 |
| tank-man | i lost 2 hrs ! heh | 16:36 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, liqbase implements vector drawings extensively at multiple resolutions per frame usually (duplications) the thinking time behind caching every instance or re-render at varying scale thereof makes it unfeasible. simpler (and generally quicker) to just render as required - and its a LOT less memory | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | "N8x0 caused me to lose my job" | 16:37 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: | 16:38 |
| johnx | wow! the pandora guys are actually working on making a real device! | 16:38 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple them for the UI | 16:39 |
| zenvoid | s/them/theme/ | 16:39 |
| infobot | zenvoid meant: lcuk: I guess, but it is very differnt than a simple theme for the UI | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: wasn't this last years news? :P | 16:39 |
| johnx | yeah, but they have a nice plastic case done up now :) | 16:39 |
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| zenvoid | lcuk: it would be really great to see your work with liqbase in the UI, though | 16:40 |
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| johnx | I've decided to just assume nothing and every time they make some positive step I'll be thrilled :) | 16:40 |
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| inz | tank, alarmd only does UTC, sorry | 16:41 |
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| inz | btw, is here anyone running into the offline&alarms not working | 16:45 |
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| zenvoid | fortunately I'm still using my palm for PIM | 16:45 |
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| johnx | heh :) There will be some people *always* using Palms for PIM I think | 16:46 |
| zenvoid | but it is starting to be a problem: the N810, mobile phone for connectivity, and the palm for PIM... 3 devices | 16:47 |
| lcuk | palms make for the defacto standard in handheld pim dont they | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | yes | 16:47 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, plenty of time for that :) my work is growing stronger every day | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | that's why palms are good, because they have good PIM | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | though I won't drop my blackberry for PIM to be honest | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | unless I have another device that does PIM integration with Exchange and supports push email | 16:47 |
| * lcuk kicks you in the blackberry | 16:47 | |
| crashanddie | and is connected | 16:47 |
| * lcuk wants local data - local to ALL my devices | 16:48 | |
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| crashanddie | actually, my blackberry does music, PIM and phone calls, <quote george clowney>What else?</quote> | 16:48 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: bought my first hugo boss suit this weekend :D | 16:49 |
| zenvoid | crashanddie: an xterm :P | 16:49 |
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| ppires | hi all | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | zenvoid: yeah, I really want xterm to place calls and check emails :P | 16:49 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there is any ARM stuff that does ZFS | 16:49 | |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: good question, would be awesome... | 16:50 |
| johnx | there's a fuse implementation of zfs IIRC | 16:50 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: though, considering ZFS comes from SPARC, they shouldn't be afraid of exotic architectures to implement it on | 16:50 |
| johnx | I'm happy enough with LVM2 though | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. freebsd arm.. | 16:50 |
| johnx | freebsd ARM? really? | 16:50 |
| * johnx googles | 16:50 | |
| johnx | well I'll be... | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | i have a huge argument for a sheevaplug then :P | 16:51 |
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| ppires | how can i extract the kernel inside the latest OS version? i'm using macosx | 16:51 |
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| ppires | i googled, but i'm unable to find it :-< | 16:51 |
| lcuk | oooh crashanddie | 16:52 |
| johnx | ppires, so you want to have just the kernel image? | 16:52 |
| ppires | johnx: yes | 16:52 |
| ppires | i recompiled a kernel that's no longer needed. i want to go back to the official kernel | 16:52 |
| ppires | i have the latest OS but i can't remember how to extract the kernel image from the .bin file | 16:52 |
| johnx | ppires, ./flasher -u -F image-from-nokia.bin | 16:53 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: I'm the sexiest thing that hit this office since the bird with great tits that came in for an interview | 16:53 |
| ppires | johnx: oh yes the flasher.. thnks dude! | 16:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, the chipset (and device) support on freebsd ARM seems really minimal | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:54 |
| johnx | it's really too bad that sheeva board doesn't have more stuff brought out to headers and/or connectors | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | well, sdio, USB (with jtag) and gigabit ethernet.. | 16:56 |
| johnx | but it can also support pci express, and sata natively | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:56 |
| johnx | and another gig-e port | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | maybe there's a variant | 16:56 |
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| johnx | well, I'm sure they'll sell you a dev board with all this stuff for $$$$ | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | well there is stuff like poguplug etc | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | er, pogo | 16:58 |
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| johnx | wow...that looks the same right down to the case | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | Comes With Software probably | 17:00 |
| johnx | and a web service | 17:00 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, so. . . . | 17:14 |
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| dneary | Hi all | 17:17 |
| dneary | Looking for volunteers to vote & test the preferential election voting | 17:17 |
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| johnx | voting for nothing? sure sounds fun | 17:17 |
| dneary | Voting is running over the next couple of hours, and I'm going to call the thing final sometime tonight | 17:17 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, did she get the job? | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, sure, link? | 17:18 |
| dneary | I can test for lots of people, but I only have 2 or 3 browsers :) | 17:18 |
| johnx | so, that ARM touch-book that keeps making the rounds, what do people think are the odds it will actually ship when it says it will? | 17:18 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: maemo.org/vote | 17:18 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Your temp token and email address are the same | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | I voted already ;) | 17:18 |
| dneary | (so you can probably vote many times) | 17:18 |
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| dneary | Go Ned Flanders! | 17:19 |
| lcuk | johnx, past performance with omap3 devices == its a tossup | 17:19 |
| dneary | All you need to do is guess someone's email address | 17:19 |
| lcuk | does the same work for the real election? | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: of course not ;) | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still think we should float the preferences up to the right. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: We just don't want to send everybody a token by mail for this election testing thing ;) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | i know, if i could see things at more than 1bit/hour i would have a go | 17:20 |
| lcuk | can i make vnc do monochrome? | 17:21 |
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| dneary | lcuk: I bet you're a Ned Flanders man | 17:23 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: That's a styling issue, and I'll gratefully accept patches :) | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, OK, I'll poke at it. | 17:23 |
| lcuk | no, i bet ned flanders is a lcuk man :) | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | they even took my mannerisms, it makes me so ma-diddly-ad | 17:24 |
| dneary | kewl | 17:25 |
| lcuk | gan: dont go shrinking the size of the other candidates :P | 17:25 |
| dneary | lcuk: Go vote then! | 17:25 |
| lcuk | why does ned flanders matter ? | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and i cant i dont know where my voting booth is | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can we get full justified text on the wiki style? | 17:26 |
| dneary | lcuk: It doesn't matter. | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I too accept patches ;) | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and goddamn you both. :P | 17:26 |
| lcuk | x-fade, eye-patches or hair patches? | 17:27 |
| * lcuk notices a bit of a chrome dome | 17:27 | |
| lcuk | dneary, voting link | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Too much going on atm. Between election, mail importing, fremantle autobuilder and some random stuff, I'm a bit busy. ;) | 17:27 |
| dneary | lcuk: http://maemo.org/vote | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I tried to set up a local copy to play around with the style, but I don't think I managed to ferret out all the necessary stylesheets. | 17:28 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I will look at it later this week. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | i have no token for this test election | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, if I can get a user local copy going (so I don't have to use an uploaded stylesheet) I can be much more useful. | 17:29 |
| lcuk | ahh | 17:29 |
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| dneary | lcuk: Want one? | 17:31 |
| lcuk | no, its ok i fired up gmail ;) | 17:31 |
| dneary | lcuk: I did look for an lcuk@ or birkett@ but didn't find you | 17:32 |
| dneary | I can give anyone an email address, if there are people who'd like to help out | 17:32 |
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| dneary | johnx: Have you voted yet? | 17:33 |
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| * qwerty12 just voted | 17:33 | |
| rmt | Btw - what's the URL for the full RSS/ATOM feed of planet maemo? | 17:33 |
| johnx | dneary, one sec | 17:33 |
| rmt | I'm either blind, it's not listed, or there just isn't one. | 17:34 |
| dneary | rmt: Do you get an RSS feed icon in the URL bar? | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | Probably the first option.. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml | 17:34 |
| johnx | dneary, yup. works great in ff3/linux. if there's a way to blank it I can try on microb/maemo | 17:35 |
| lcuk | voted: and the candidates make up BASS running downwards :) | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Just try again with the same email ;) | 17:35 |
| lcuk | dneary, i am liquid@gmail | 17:35 |
| johnx | win! | 17:35 |
| johnx | do-overs! | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | gotta head off, take care | 17:35 |
| rmt | dneary, Ahah, indeed, I do.. Browser intelligence is beating my own. | 17:35 |
| dneary | johnx: No, that won't work | 17:35 |
| dneary | Do-overs aren't implemented | 17:36 |
| johnx | X-Fade, you tricked me :P | 17:36 |
| dneary | I'll give you another email address | 17:36 |
| crashanddie | Can I vote with my 6 different maemo accounts? | 17:36 |
| dneary | johnx: Use aloisio dot almeida at openbossa dot org | 17:36 |
| dneary | crashanddie: If they have over 25 karma, sure | 17:36 |
| johnx | k | 17:36 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off, ttyl | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | dneary: There is a nice feature in your client, it is called PM. | 17:37 |
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| johnx | microb seems perfectly happy with it | 17:38 |
| dneary | X-Fade: In my web client? | 17:39 |
| dneary | I don't understand | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | I don't know much about netiquette or whatever, but I don't find it nice to talk about other email adresses or spambait people. | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | That kind if info is sensitive for me. | 17:41 |
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| karasuman | I'm sort of just getting started with Maemo; I just got a nokia n810 that runs it. I'm hearing something about a wpa2 bug... does anyone know if Maemo has a bug with connecting securely with wpa2? | 17:56 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: Ah - I see what you mean | 17:57 |
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| dneary | My IRC client | 17:57 |
| dneary | /msg | 17:57 |
| dneary | Sorry | 17:57 |
| dneary | I have this idea of IRC being ephemeral, but I forgot that this channel is logged | 17:57 |
| n_n | RST38h you there? | 17:57 |
| johnx | ...and very popular with google... | 17:57 |
| johnx | karasuman, hi. welcome aboard. :) I've heard of some people having issues connecting to the enterprise versions of WPA, but I believe most of those are in the past at this point. wpa2-psk should be fine (and always has, I think) | 17:58 |
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| karasuman | thanks for the reply, johnx. :) I'm not really sure what my issue is, then. I can't get onto my university's wireless network, and the tech support guys said it was seemed to be that my nokia couldn't figure out wpa2. | 17:59 |
| StsN800 | eap-tls? | 18:00 |
| karasuman | we tried to manually configure a connection, but it wouldn't show up in the list of available connections. | 18:00 |
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| karasuman | yes, StsN800 | 18:00 |
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| StsN800 | edoroam per chance? | 18:00 |
| karasuman | I don't know. :( I don't have much experience with this stuff. | 18:00 |
| dneary | StsN800: Voted yet? | 18:00 |
| StsN800 | dneary, didn't get a mail about it yet? | 18:01 |
| karasuman | first thing I did when I got my nokia was to update the OS to the latest; is there maybe some other kind of patch for the problem I should be looking for? | 18:01 |
| johnx | karasuman, you might want to google for eduroam and your school's name to see if that's what your school is using | 18:02 |
| dneary | StsN800: It's a test election | 18:02 |
| johnx | if so, there are some instructions on making it work I believe | 18:02 |
| StsN800 | ah. | 18:02 |
| karasuman | nothing is popping up in google, and I don't see that on the technology help page, either. Is that a third party service that they might be using for their campus wifi? | 18:03 |
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| karasuman | the info they have is that the security type is WPA-Enterprise, encryption type TKIP, authentication method EAP-MSCHAPv2. I used all of those settings in configuring the connection, but we couldn't figure out how to actually apply the settings. At that point, the tech support guy googled for a while and came back and said that this is a known problem with the n810/Maemo and I should look to Maemo support for a fix. :-/ | 18:06 |
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| qwerty12 | If you're in a compiling mood, there's a plugin that integrates the maemo connectivity manager with wpa_supplicant: http://svn.javispedro.com/libicd-network-wpa/trunk/ | 18:08 |
| dneary | Anyone here running Windows with IE6 or 7? | 18:08 |
| karasuman | I'm afraid I don't have any experience with compiling. Is this something I can learn how to do with google? | 18:08 |
| inz | dneary, I'm running linux with IE6 and IE7 | 18:08 |
| dneary | inz: Nice trick | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | topical: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090308 | 18:11 |
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| johnx | karasuman, I have no experience with wpa2 enterprise, but some googling brings up this if you want to give it a test: http://smarterthan.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/n800-certificate-based-peap-authentication/ | 18:13 |
| johnx | not sure how close this is to your setup | 18:14 |
| karasuman | I appreciate the help. :) I've been googling, but not finding much that seems helpful. Part of it is my lack of experience with wifi security; I don't really know what most of it means. | 18:14 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm lost on stuff that's beyond wpa/wpa2 psk | 18:15 |
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| johnx | do you need a certificate? does your school provide one? | 18:15 |
| karasuman | I really have no idea. :-/ The tech support guy didn't mention it to me. | 18:15 |
| johnx | does your school have a web page with generic instructions? | 18:16 |
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| karasuman | http://www.technology.pitt.edu/network-web/wireless/configure-manually.html | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, is the diablo and chinook builders working? Getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." here. | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Should be.. | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | Did you change anything? | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Not to my knowledge, I've got a backup of the keys anyway (which I know works for sure), lemme try restoring. | 18:22 |
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| karasuman | time for me to head to school. thanks for the help; I'm going to give it another shot when I get to campus. | 18:22 |
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| johnx | ok, best of luck | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, no go. | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Ip ending with 231? | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 18:24 |
| Myrtti | I'm ready to cry, the wiki didn't go kaboom | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not a spammer :) | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Didn't go kaboom the last time. Before it did ;) | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: You probably are. Well blocked for the moment.. | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Maemo hospitality. Can't beat it. | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: There is some kind of rate limit in the firewall. | 18:25 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: But I see xchat is coming in via the assistant now ;) | 18:25 |
| inz | qwe, -ita+ti | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: I was afraid my homeserver's cpu/mobo/ram was going to go kaboom :-/ | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | poor dell | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | I'll have to vacuum it tomorrow for being a good little homeserver | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, yep, may as well use all available resources ;) | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | no wait | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | I can't | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | damnit | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | ;___; | 18:26 |
| inz | Did your vacuum go kaboom? | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | inz: since I had to mail in my desktop computer to the Office, I don't have a display or keyboard so I can type in the encryption password after reboot | 18:27 |
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| Myrtti | technically I'd need only keyboard | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | flip the bits in the ram manually | 18:28 |
| inz | Why would you loose perfectly good uptime for something as simple as vacuuming a computer? | 18:28 |
| johnx | inz++ | 18:28 |
| X-Fade | Out for a while, bbl. | 18:28 |
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| Myrtti | inz: I'd rather not break anything though. | 18:30 |
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| johnx | life's a gamble | 18:31 |
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| Myrtti | johnx: I've gambled enough, I fell in love with a gentoo/MACist | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | a ubuntunist and a gentoo/macist together? that sounds .. dangerous O_o | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | (don't look too much into that statement, i just wonder about some of the argument this channel can have once in a while :P) | 18:43 |
| johnx | actually using gentoo and Mac sounds like a potential warning sign of split personalities :) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | darwinports, maybe | 18:43 |
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| Myrtti | well I don't personally like having ubuntu as a server either... so I'd have debian or maybe even that gentoo as a server myself | 18:46 |
| Myrtti | ubuntu/mac is nice on the desktop | 18:46 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: and it's really sweet, he's asking me for instructions on his ubuntu laptop and I ask him for hints with awk | 18:48 |
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| Myrtti | ♥ | 18:48 |
| johnx | ow! the cute is kiiilling me | 18:49 |
| Myrtti | johnx: http://dy.fi/d45 | 18:50 |
| Myrtti | badumtish | 18:50 |
| * johnx dies | 18:51 | |
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| lcuk | johnx, don't die - we haven't taken a recent backup yet | 18:57 |
| johnx | lcuk, no worries. I actually plan to live forever. | 18:58 |
| RST38h | umgh | 18:58 |
| johnx | in the woody allen sense :) | 18:58 |
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| * RST38h asks Cthulhu what made linux people implement gpio_keys in such a stupid way | 19:00 | |
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| johnx | cthulhu made them do it to make you crazy | 19:00 |
| RST38h | Has nobody told them that GPIO inputs occur in banks and there is only one IRQ line for each bank? | 19:00 |
| RST38h | this stuff isn't crazy just stupid | 19:01 |
| johnx | then which is the elder god that makes people stupid? | 19:01 |
| RST38h | That would be Alzheimer. | 19:02 |
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| johnx | I wrote an uncyclopedia entry for Abestos, the Greek god of carcinogenic insulation once... | 19:03 |
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| zenvoid | oh, I'm a fan of cthulhu :) | 19:04 |
| zenvoid | lovecraft | 19:04 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the marquee is completely independent of matchbox, isn't it? | 19:11 |
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| igagis | hi | 19:12 |
| igagis | I wonder how ca I get my application deb to the maemo extras repository? | 19:13 |
| igagis | I've just released the final .deb package of my Maemo Theremin app, and I would like it to be in the repository... | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~upload-extras | 19:17 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 19:17 |
| igagis | ok, it says that I should have an 'invitation' to upload the app to extras... | 19:18 |
| mikkov_ | has anybody tried new leafpad from extras-devel? | 19:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've installed it | 19:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | haven't opened any files with it yet. | 19:20 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12, I made some changes to menus | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Cool, seems to work really well | 19:21 |
| mikkov_ | I removed the View manu and moved Quit under File | 19:21 |
| mikkov_ | I had to make translations work | 19:22 |
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| Jaffa | igagis: and it gives a link to request an invite IIRC | 19:36 |
| igagis | yes, I requested that invitation, hope I'll get one. | 19:37 |
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| igagis | I also read that it is possible to upload the package to extras-devel | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: can you poke igagis' invite along? | 19:37 |
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| igagis | do I need the invitation for that too? | 19:37 |
| mikkov_ | everybody gets one :) | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | igagis: one invite to bind them | 19:38 |
| igagis | ok | 19:38 |
| mikkov_ | igagis: your source in svn isn't currently buildable with dpkg-buildpackage | 19:39 |
| udovdh | anybody know why it is osso-gpsd on the n810 instead of the regular gpsd? | 19:39 |
| mikkov_ | so it won't build in autobuilder | 19:39 |
| igagis | mikkov_: is that necessary? | 19:39 |
| mikkov_ | yes | 19:39 |
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| igagis | ok, I'll try making it buildable with dpkg-buildpackage | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: correct | 19:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, explaining why other people don't maintain legacy support for 20000 years like Microsoft is fun. | 19:45 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, if he follows up, maybe I'll make a post on the topic | 19:46 |
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| johnx | I can at least link it later from a lot of places :) | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The misconceptions many users carry are both fun and horrifying. | 19:46 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you been reading -users again? ;-) | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, itT | 19:47 |
| johnx | it goes in the same basket as "Why do you use all that jargon instead of just making it simple?" | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I only looked at the -users archives once since I unsubscribed. :D | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hi, my name is Ryan and I'm addicted to idiocy." | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There has got to be a better way for Jeremiah to track packaging help requests than a wiki page. | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe that somebody hasn't put together a reasonable solution for this problem. | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | No sign of wazd yet? | 19:52 |
| * Jaffa 'd point to taskt.com but I never really finished it (taskt.com/aflegg for example) | 19:52 | |
| Jaffa | Oh, and it's down anyway. | 19:52 |
| dneary | Hi all | 19:52 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Want to vote in the test election? | 19:53 |
| dneary | I'd be interested in tests on IE | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | dneary, whos winning the fake election, and if this fake election gets more votes is it possible we could actually see Skinner as head of the council? | 19:58 |
| dneary | lcuk: I don't know yet | 19:59 |
| dneary | Will know later | 19:59 |
| dneary | When the election ends, you'll be able to download the ballots as a .blt file, which you can then import into OpenSTV and run the election with various options. | 19:59 |
| lcuk | so no simple web page notification then :P | 20:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone. . . . | 20:02 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: was going to test in IE, but --- ooh, no, I 've got time before the train | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | dneary: still doesn't work in IE7 | 20:05 |
| dneary | Jaffa: OK | 20:05 |
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| * Jaffa 'll hold off voting until you've had a chance to play and will re-test tomorrow. | 20:05 | |
| dneary | Better fix that tomorrow then | 20:05 |
| dneary | Jaffa: I'll generate a HTML file for you to test | 20:05 |
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| dneary | Tomorrow the election will be over :) | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | dneary: fair enough | 20:06 |
| * Jaffa homes | 20:06 | |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, mer's upstart is causing problems on the zaurus...hmmm, looks like it's more than just upstart... | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Zaurus is a problem. :P | 20:28 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, platform insecurity? :P | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | My platform is so much <s>bigger</s> better than yours!!! | 20:29 |
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| johnx | O_o; | 20:29 |
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| johnx | alright, too much time on -users and iTT. time to detox | 20:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, acid wash for your eyes? ;) | 20:30 |
| johnx | I was referring to you actually :) | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | :( | 20:30 |
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| johnx | platform is bigger? :P sure sign of too much time on itt/-users | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you're the one that brought up insecurities. :P | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I'm 2 days clean of -users! | 20:31 |
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| johnx | *hic* been clean for *hic* 5 minutes now | 20:32 |
| * RST38h gathers, "platform" is something Mario jumps onto | 20:33 | |
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| zenvoid | thay say that the size of the platform does not matter, but they lie. it does XD | 20:33 |
| johnx | RST38h, you're the guy who writes emus, not us. We'll leave you to define it :) | 20:33 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: works fine on tablet browser with webkit engine | 20:34 |
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| timelE61i | jAffa: what's this? | 20:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, http://maemo.org/vote or https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ ? | 20:41 |
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| timelE61i | right, but why need webkit? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | additional datapoint | 20:51 |
| johnx | timelE61i, we are testing many different browsers | 20:51 |
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| johnx | i already checked with microb | 20:51 |
| lcuk | johnx, back from the dead then | 20:52 |
| johnx | 'fraid so | 20:52 |
| johnx | but I need to sleep actually | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | oh, to verify vote workks? | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | Did you try s60? :) | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | And opera(mini/mobile) | 20:53 |
| lcuk | dont know, but you can | 20:53 |
| timelE61i | wHere's my test token? | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | poke dneary offline if you havent got one in your mailbox | 20:55 |
| lcuk | i think | 20:55 |
| timelE61i | can i vote more than once? :@) | 20:56 |
| lcuk | as long as its for marge simpson, yeah | 20:56 |
| johnx | timelE61i, test token is your email address :) | 20:56 |
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| johnx | one vote per email | 20:56 |
| * johnx sleeps | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | ballot | 20:57 |
| lcuk | gnite johnx | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | ...percentage of Americans identifying as Christians has dropped to 76 percent of the population, down from 86 percent in 1990... | 21:10 |
| timelE61i | Err, is the vote token the same as from the previous election? | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, no, email address/email address. | 21:12 |
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| rmt_ | RST38h, how're the other religions faring? Flying spaghettiism etc. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | no idea | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can vote as many times as you want as long as you can come up with maemo.org member email addresses with more than 25 karma who haven't voted. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | but they do provide some data on christian varieties: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/08/AR2009030801967.html?nav=igoogle | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | General: So, the plan is to create 50-60 maemo.org accounts, let each one create a project (like a command line app port or a background image for OS2008) and vote 50-60 times! =) | 21:15 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: thanks, that link makes me think there may be hope for that nation after all... | 21:15 |
| RST38h | tso: that was my thought as well but you do not know what they are switching to | 21:16 |
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| timelE61i | uM | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | The voting system kicked me out | 21:18 |
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| timelE61i | It in very obscure English tried to tell me the vote ended about 20mins ago | 21:19 |
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| anidel | hi guys anyone installed Jaunty on their tablet ? | 21:20 |
| anidel | following the guide on ITT ? | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | anidel, thats b-mans thing isnt it | 21:21 |
| lcuk | hiya btw | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, they also have to be 3 months old. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, interesting. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | seems reasonable gan, he said it would end later | 21:22 |
| timelE61i | The message is *awful* | 21:22 |
| lcuk | i suppose 20 minutes ago is later | 21:22 |
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| timelE61i | 1. It didn't tell me what time it is "now" | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | 2. It told me the election *starts* (present tense) | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | Well present/future | 21:23 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: as long as its missing a label, it will likely to be less strict then what they left... | 21:25 |
| t_s_o | still, if people was converting to this: http://www.venganza.org/ it would be really interesting ;) | 21:26 |
| anidel | lcuk yeah | 21:27 |
| lcuk | he normally comes on later | 21:27 |
| anidel | I'm trying to follow his thread, but some thing behave differently and the post is not clear in some points | 21:27 |
| anidel | ok :) | 21:27 |
| timelE61i | gan: btw, someone lied | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, can you file a bug? | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | They claimed my token for the previous vote would not be valid for any other | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | And yet it let me try to use it again for this one :) | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, did you use the old token? | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | i couldn't find any others... | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it was supposed to be the email address as the token. | 21:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, anyway, either somebody needs to poke dneary tomorrow or some bugs need to be filed. | 21:31 |
| timelE61i | Well, since the election expired | 21:31 |
| timelE61i | It's unclear | 21:31 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, did you post your patch for "displaying everyone except yourself as small" | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I need to poke at the CSS tomorrow. | 21:32 |
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| timelE61i | What component is voting? | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I ran into a couple GNOME-centric strings when voting for the referenda. Somebody could probably stand to run over it again. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, General, I guess. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though we could probably use an election software or voting software component. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just reassign it to dneary. | 21:34 |
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| sp3000 | ahh, time to mail elections at gnome! http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=5 | 21:37 |
| timelE61i | Gan: 4193 | 21:39 |
| timelE61i | oh yes | 21:39 |
| timelE61i | I totally missed that | 21:40 |
| timelE61i | Mail to elections@gnome.org | 21:40 |
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| timelE61i | Sp3000: how are you doing? | 21:40 |
| sp3000 | not running for a few days | 21:41 |
| sp3000 | but fine | 21:41 |
| sp3000 | btw I think the followup caller was a french-speaker, for variety | 21:41 |
| timelE61i | hEh | 21:41 |
| timelE61i | It's still pretty neat service, right? | 21:42 |
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| timelE61i | sp3000: are you filing or should i? | 21:44 |
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| sp3000 | yeah except maybe for the two way voce-proxied form filling part ;) | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | voice, even | 21:47 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, well... | 21:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, yeah, I already caught a couple of those. | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the source is in svn somewhere. | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | 4194'd | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | oh my, I verbed a number | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It is. | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, maemo2midgard project? | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | yep | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, Garage is sloooow | 21:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: load is 64 atm. looking into it ;) | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | top - 21:53:39 up 6 days, 22:25, 1 user, load average: 86.47, 69.94, 57.83 | 21:53 |
| anidel | 64! woah :) | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | 86 ;) | 21:53 |
| anidel | skyrocketing... something spinning | 21:53 |
| andre__ | hmm, bug numbers | 21:54 |
| * andre__ expects nice new bugs tomorrow when officially being back from vacation | 21:54 | |
| sp3000 | spinning skyrockets, batman! | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish jott would get back and give us his bugbot. | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | oops. | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | it must have been my wiki article! | 21:54 |
| anidel | how can it be ? | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | Nah, reindexing repos in a cron job ;) | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 21:55 |
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| anidel | that's fine then, I suppose | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | Got so slow that they started to pile up. | 21:55 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, it runs better in performance mode :P | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | anidel: because it's a MAGICAL wiki article | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | about *cough* 900K big wiki article | 21:55 |
| lcuk | i dont know why you keep it in on demand :D | 21:55 |
| anidel | Myrtti only text ? :) | 21:55 |
| X-Fade | Load is back to _only_ 33 now ;) | 21:56 |
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| Myrtti | anidel: only text :-) | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | well... | 21:56 |
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| Myrtti | that's what articles are in the wiki, aren't they | 21:56 |
| anidel | yep | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | it did have some html... | 21:56 |
| Myrtti | *Shrug* | 21:56 |
| anidel | my tablet's load is now 4.47 ;) | 21:58 |
| sp3000 | it's part of the garage cluster? :P | 21:58 |
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| anidel | it's the main node :) | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: Cluster? One tablet is enough for everything ;) | 21:58 |
| * RST38h still has a chance to clone iPhone menu on the NIT | 21:58 | |
| RST38h | Especially if wazd helps a little bit | 21:59 |
| anidel | try to imagine then the new upcoming tablet what will be able to do! | 22:00 |
| anidel | :p | 22:00 |
| X-Fade | anidel: At least twice the speed! :) | 22:00 |
| RST38h | anidel: it will do some pseudo-pmp shit, badly | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | We might be able to serve 3 users simultaneously! | 22:01 |
| anidel | eheh | 22:01 |
| X-Fade | yay! | 22:01 |
| RST38h | + cat | 22:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles mutters about stupid DST. | 22:01 | |
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| florian | re | 22:03 |
| anidel | re | 22:03 |
| * ljp lives in a place where there is no DST | 22:03 | |
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| RST38h | which reminds me... | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Ah, DST switch happens on the last Sunday of March | 22:14 |
| n_n | RST38h == author of several emus? =) | 22:15 |
| * RST38h ducks | 22:15 | |
| * n_n geese | 22:16 | |
| n_n | if you're interested in msx emu development, the openmsx dev channel is on this server | 22:16 |
| n_n | not just openmsx related :p | 22:17 |
| n_n | eg. i'm there and not one of their developers | 22:17 |
| anidel | bootstrap installed, let's continue | 22:20 |
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| igagis | hi again | 22:23 |
| igagis | I'm trying to build my package with autobuilder | 22:24 |
| igagis | but the build fails | 22:24 |
| igagis | from the logs I see that there are some libraries missing in the build environment | 22:24 |
| igagis | e.g. hildonmm | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Build-Depends | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | igagis: You need to specify them as Build-Depends | 22:25 |
| igagis | in debian/control? | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | igagis: Yes | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | dpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | Can help you with that. | 22:26 |
| igagis | they are specified there | 22:26 |
| igagis | I'll try that in a moment | 22:26 |
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| igagis | hm | 22:27 |
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| igagis | no, I've just realized that the dependancies are not specified in control file at the moment the app is build | 22:27 |
| igagis | Will fix that, thanks | 22:28 |
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| X-Fade | igagis: Cool application btw ;) | 22:29 |
| igagis | :-) | 22:29 |
| anidel | which one is it ? | 22:29 |
| igagis | anidel: have a look at http://theremin.garage.maemo.org | 22:30 |
| anidel | I've read a post about that app.. cool one.. never saw it in action, though.. | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | The youtube vid explain it all. | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | *explains | 22:31 |
| igagis | there are videos on the app page | 22:31 |
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| anidel | ahah funny the messages that keep coming :P | 22:32 |
| anidel | the gesture contol is amazing | 22:32 |
| anidel | *control | 22:34 |
| igagis | anidel: what do you mean 'gesture control' ? | 22:34 |
| igagis | it just plays the tone depending on the tapped point | 22:34 |
| igagis | when you move the finger it changes the pitch and volume because 'mouse' cursor moves | 22:35 |
| igagis | there's no any gesture recognition here | 22:35 |
| anidel | igagis: the way you control the finger movements on the keys | 22:35 |
| anidel | igagis: I know that. You're using then the plain mouse coordinates ? When I use the stylus it often thinks I "raised" the stylus thus causing a new click to happen | 22:36 |
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| igagis | yes, exactly | 22:37 |
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| anidel | for example when selecting text in the browser, it's very hard to select a long piece of text becuase of that. In Xournal I was thinking to ignore the random mouse click within a movement, but it's not that easy | 22:39 |
| lcuk | anidel, with the theremin it doesnt matter, it will simply carry on where you reach in the next stroke | 22:39 |
| anidel | that's true.. | 22:39 |
| lcuk | the sensitivity of your screen is likely on the way out | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | its similar with me on the left centre of the workhorse 810 | 22:39 |
| anidel | may be :( it happens mostly horizontally, is fine vertically | 22:39 |
| lcuk | it doesnt respond to finger at all any more | 22:39 |
| lcuk | different pressure in the motion | 22:39 |
| anidel | I've got to re-calibrate it once a day | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | you may notice in my videos i can scroll one way easier than the other | 22:40 |
| lcuk | never recalbrate cos i know its just on its way out | 22:40 |
| lcuk | its not out of position, but out of sensitivity | 22:40 |
| RST38h | right side is less sensitive? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | if yours is losing position thats slightly different | 22:40 |
| anidel | well yesterday I couldn't close the windows because it was not correctly calibrated.. and often I have to point down a few pixels to actually click on something.. very annoying | 22:41 |
| lcuk | no, left its where i spent a year stroking it and stuff | 22:41 |
| anidel | no, on mine it happens on the whole screen... | 22:41 |
| anidel | I don't think it's losing sensitivity | 22:41 |
| anidel | it's been like that since the beginning... | 22:41 |
| lcuk | anidel, it was the same with one of my old ones, but those sorts of errors become more or less visible usually depending on temp, so you calibrate when cold and it drifts again | 22:41 |
| igagis | btw, with theremin I noticed one thing with vertical and horizontal movements: when tap and move horizontally for a long time without releasing the finger it eventually start updating the sound frequency rarely, looks like a touchscreen problem, nothing to do in the app with that | 22:42 |
| anidel | that's may be the issue... | 22:42 |
| lcuk | that shouldv been rma'd as faulty then :P | 22:42 |
| lcuk | igagis, no, the cpu is dropping back to idle speed | 22:42 |
| lcuk | you are hitting ondemand things | 22:42 |
| anidel | I have two years warranty on this baby, but I'll miss it and I can live with this annoyance | 22:42 |
| lcuk | if you have liqbase installed, just test by going into options and changing cpu to performance and running your app again | 22:43 |
| igagis | lcuk: but I did not see such behavior for vertical movement | 22:43 |
| anidel | libqbase as Maemo's Onyx :P | 22:43 |
| lcuk | onyx? | 22:43 |
| anidel | sorry, it's a Mac tweaking application | 22:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:43 |
| anidel | :) | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | dunno then igagis | 22:44 |
| * lcuk is gonna make a stroking guitar instrument | 22:44 | |
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| * lcuk will give it kinetic columns as you strum | 22:44 | |
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| igagis | lcuk: btw, about the guitar, have you seen the guitar for iphone? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | not real interesting in iphone caps so no | 22:45 |
| lcuk | interested * | 22:45 |
| igagis | I saw it on youtube recently | 22:45 |
| anidel | it's an Apple AD? if it is, then it's fake :P | 22:45 |
| lcuk | you cant use a real plectrum with iphone :) | 22:45 |
| igagis | no, there are videos on you tube | 22:46 |
| anidel | eheh I know, I was kidding Apple... | 22:46 |
| zenvoid | ping Stskeeps :) are you still there? | 22:46 |
| igagis | I'm not interested in iPhone as well but it worth looking into the iPhone guitar video | 22:46 |
| igagis | let me find the link | 22:46 |
| anidel | lcuk I imagine using a plectrum on the N810 for a guitar app would be quite difficult | 22:46 |
| lcuk | anidel, the calendar ive got - its fluidly kinetic and has 7 columns (month view as in the video) and i keep strumming it up n down | 22:47 |
| igagis | here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51cWRrZdkwk | 22:47 |
| lcuk | it lacks music only :) | 22:47 |
| igagis | lcuk: can you give the link to your "silent guitar" video? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | that plays more like a keyboard, your theremin is more the style - sliding actions | 22:48 |
| anidel | lcuk: it's not the power, it's the screen.. light touches are out of question.. but I imagine you don't need to be light with the spectrum.. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: pong, still have guests but sneaked off to the laptop | 22:48 |
| lcuk | igagis, the youtube video for liqbase: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY it shows the startings of a calendar. since that video i gave the calendar full kinetic view (like the graffiti wall) | 22:49 |
| anidel | Stskeeps: do they know what they are doing? holding you off the laptop ? | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | anidel: hehe. i have my tablet too but can't always type that fast on it :P | 22:50 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: :D | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | anidel, i know they are doing multitouch, but the iphone guitar is being used from the frets end, i merely like strumming the other end (where they are picking at) | 22:51 |
| * lcuk cant coordinate multiple fingers anyway | 22:51 | |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: modifying the theme layout is going to take some time, but I think there is a way to make it much more easy... | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: sed? ;p | 22:52 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: do you know if it is possible to configure the marquee so it is "floating" over the title bar like the old statusbar? | 22:52 |
| anidel | stskeeps: know the feeling... | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hmm.. the idea was to remove titlebar though | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: but maybe i don't understand it exactly | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | lemme just grab a layout, sec | 22:53 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: if the titlebar is kept below the marquee and it is made 100 px smaller at the right side, the close and minimize buttons of the titlebar could be used | 22:56 |
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| zenvoid | and the home menubar can be kept | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah - i would just (currently) scrap the titlebar info and implement close and minimize in the marquee | 22:57 |
| zenvoid | in fact, the marquee can be set to transparent theme and just use the themed titlebar | 22:57 |
| * anidel goes to pick up his girlfriend from the english class.. ttyl | 22:58 | |
| igagis | lcuk: there's another guitar app for iPhone, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23WEqqrP0I | 22:58 |
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| igagis | lcuk: there you strum strings and switch the chords | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: mm.. well i'm not sure what our motivation for that would be, other than it being an alternative theme | 22:59 |
| igagis | lcuk: no chords fingering, I think it is possible to make similar app for n810, it dies not need multitouch | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: my idea was primarily to adapt liberty to the new hildon layout and the app switcher buttons (and rightmost X and leftmost app menu button) | 23:00 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: it was just a idea for having a quick port of the old theme, it would be very easy to port it this way | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | titlebar height=0 is a nasty hack or? it seems to be described in data/theme.xml | 23:00 |
| zenvoid | look at hildon-liberty-theme source, the file template.svg | 23:01 |
| zenvoid | the programs in hildon-layout cut those drawings into the small pieces by using a set of coordinates | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 23:02 |
| zenvoid | ok | 23:02 |
| RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/class-war-survival-tips-gun-shopping-guide/ | 23:02 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 23:02 | |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: it's basically seperating a tempate.svg into icon files | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | as i understand it | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | the actual theme is described in data/ and rc/ in layout | 23:03 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: yes... when doing the floating marquee trick, there is very little to change | 23:03 |
| RST38h | "If you canÁ | 23:03 |
| zenvoid | the template could be used almost unchanged | 23:03 |
| RST38h | t reliably kill a deer, what chance do you have against a pack of desperate people? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: but then titlebar would be invisible underneath marquee? | 23:04 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the marquee on top, like the statusbar in the current liberty-theme | 23:05 |
| zenvoid | actually I don't know if it is possible to do that, if changes in the source are required, then it may not worth the effort | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | mm, might be difficult since it is a pretty hard panel | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 23:07 |
| zenvoid | pretty hard panel :D | 23:08 |
| zenvoid | ok | 23:08 |
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| zenvoid | well... I'll continue with the longer way, then ;-) | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: well, i think most of the stuff can be done in the theme rcs and theme.xml, instead of in the template part | 23:16 |
| zenvoid | look at the blue area in the current liberty theme, it is actually the titlebar theme (or the home bar when no apps) and the status bar icons are floating on top. I think I found a way of making that part of variable size (all to the left, for example) | 23:17 |
| zenvoid | and the idea was to put the marquee on top with transparent background | 23:17 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png , this one? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | the one with home on it | 23:19 |
| zenvoid | yes, and when you open an application, it is the titlebar | 23:20 |
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| zenvoid | the blue area is just included in the titlebar, the statusbar icons are floating on top | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - the idea was to avoid titlebar and this home bar thing, and just integrate it into the menu button (the wierd square) | 23:21 |
| zenvoid | well.. It is an ugly concept, I know... | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | and i was wondering how easily to get rid of titlebar and the home area bar, rc file wise :) | 23:22 |
| zenvoid | I think that the home area is just a pixmap drawn in top of the wallpaper (with an area for menu) | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | so it may be rc based | 23:24 |
| zenvoid | hmm... probably | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | or code based | 23:24 |
| zenvoid | I will look tomorrow | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | k - ta for the effort | 23:25 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: what the f**k is the button left from the terminal-icon for? | 23:25 |
| thopiekar | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/homebar.png | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: ugly art, but it's the menu button | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-menubutton.png | 23:26 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: heh, I'm also interested in this, I really want a variable sized theme with no left panel ;-) | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | for openmoko? ;) | 23:27 |
| zenvoid | maybe :D | 23:27 |
| zenvoid | and screen rotation | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:27 |
| thopiekar | isn't it too much near the mer-menu-icon.. people could "mis-touch" it.. | 23:28 |
| thopiekar | ^ Stskeeps | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | well i see it as getting rid of the home area bar and the title bar in matchbox, and then making a thing in layout for the different gradients/stuff for the new pieces / buttons | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | -> zenvoid | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: that's what 0.10 test is for | 23:29 |
| thopiekar | k :P | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 23:30 |
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| thopiekar | cu | 23:30 |
| thopiekar | where is the location of mcalendar's config file? | 23:31 |
| thopiekar | or files.. | 23:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | /home/user/.mPIM/mcalendar.db | 23:32 |
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| thopiekar | thanks ( needed for a thread on n800.de.. ) | 23:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé | 23:32 |
| thopiekar | german n8x0-forum :P | 23:32 |
| thopiekar | http://www.n800.de/viewtopic.php?t=1069 | 23:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://www.khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot17.png | 23:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://www.khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot16.png | 23:33 |
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| thopiekar | yes Khertan_n810 very nice app :P | 23:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | screenshot of the current developpment version of mCalendar | 23:34 |
| * thopiekar thinks that Khertan_n810 should use a spam bot for that :P | 23:34 | |
| VDVsx | ~seen thp | 23:34 |
| infobot | thp <n=thp@khan.thpinfo.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 28d 7h 38m 24s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: ok. will try that. my last attempt with 0.7 failed, so i'll try again today'. | 23:34 |
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| thopiekar | thp? | 23:35 |
| thopiekar | ~seen thopiekar | 23:35 |
| infobot | thopiekar is currently on #maemo (41m 26s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen thopiekar'. | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | a spam bot ? for what ? | 23:35 |
| thopiekar | for your screenshots :P | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | only two link | 23:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 23:35 |
| thopiekar | hehe | 23:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i can easily write one in python | 23:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 23:36 |
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| * Khertan_n810 is currently fighting with his mutualised hoster and this twitter limit ! | 23:38 | |
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| thopiekar | there is a twitter plugin for pidgin on getdeb.org.. | 23:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | ... | 23:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep but i m fighting to made a good cache on my website :) | 23:42 |
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| thopiekar | ok.. cu all tomorrow.. time to get some sleep.. [22:44|10:44PM] | 23:45 |
| Myrtti | mmmm cherry ♥ | 23:45 |
| Myrtti | thopiekar: WUSS! | 23:45 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 23:45 |
| thopiekar | Myrtti: WUSS? :P | 23:45 |
| Myrtti | 2009-03-09 23:45:40 | 23:45 |
| Myrtti | I'm still working! | 23:45 |
| thopiekar | Myrtti: timezone +2? | 23:46 |
| Myrtti | yup | 23:46 |
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| * thopiekar is one of the students in germany, who have to be at 7:30 [AM] at school -.-' | 23:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 7:30 is nothing. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had to be at school at 6:40 | 23:47 |
| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: omg that sucks.. | 23:47 |
| thopiekar | for how long? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4 years | 23:47 |
| Myrtti | ok, I guess I'm blessed | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | In college now, so I pick my own time. ;) | 23:48 |
| Myrtti | we don't have fixed working hours | 23:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | i leaving home at 6:00 | 23:48 |
| thopiekar | for me since summer 2008.. I changed to a technical grammar school.. | 23:48 |
| thopiekar | :) | 23:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | to arriving at work at 8:30 | 23:48 |
| thopiekar | Khertan_n810: wow | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, my school commute is about 3-5 minutes | 23:48 |
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| thopiekar | Khertan_n810: kilometers? | 23:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | this is while i dev onboard on my nit | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then 20 minutes to find a parking space, and another 20 to walk to class. | 23:48 |
| Myrtti | ok, I guess I'm lucky. My work commute is about three meters. | 23:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | thopiekar : not so much, just stupid french train | 23:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | 70km | 23:49 |
| thopiekar | :) | 23:49 |
| Myrtti | choo, go to bed then | 23:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | to travel paris from north to south it s a real pain | 23:49 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 23:49 |
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| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: that is hearing terrible.. the same thing all day.. | 23:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve 4 change nothing direct | 23:50 |
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| Khertan_n810 | when i see how s-bahn work in berlin ... i just want to make the jump | 23:50 |
| thopiekar | more organisation in germany? | 23:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 23:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | in paris all train go to the center like a star | 23:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | you cannot travel in circle or around paris without going to the center | 23:52 |
| thopiekar | our russian teacher told us about train of moscow... what he told should be more worse than in paris :) | 23:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | not sure | 23:52 |
| thopiekar | hehe | 23:52 |
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| Khertan_n810 | do not fforget surprize strike | 23:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and not just only from train driver | 23:53 |
| thopiekar | :) loved thing of the germans.. | 23:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | when student is in strike they block train | 23:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | same thing for many other worker ... | 23:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | electricity company cut the power for train :) | 23:54 |
| thopiekar | I remember when the rail was broken and we were driving over it slowly... :P | 23:54 |
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| thopiekar | xD | 23:54 |
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| thopiekar | before we were driving over it the said that it will take unlimited time to repair that "technical issue" while standing in the middle of fields.. :) | 23:56 |
| thopiekar | I never had that before .. | 23:56 |
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| thopiekar | s/the/they/ | 23:57 |
| thopiekar | *nod* | 23:57 |
| thopiekar | ok but I really have to leave now.. cu :P | 23:58 |
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