IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-03-07

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Jaffayerga: presumably modest, given the diablo version is already multi-window?00:10
Jaffaand from what you said on ITT ;-)00:10
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yergaJaffa, modest in diablo is multi window but in fremantle not00:11
yergamulti-screen but in the same window ;)00:11
beneditoNeto1hello all00:14
beneditoNeto1I have a doubt about the maemo application manager00:14
Jaffayerga: did it look promising?00:14
beneditoNeto1How can I install one .deb package by command line with hildon-application-manager00:14
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beneditoNeto1please anyone help me00:14
yergaJaffa, imho yes00:14
JaffabeneditoNeto1: you don't, you just use dpkg -i from the cli00:14
JaffabeneditoNeto1: h-a-m is just a GUI front end to apt and dpkg00:15
sementeqwerty12_N800: I see that passwords are in plain text. :-/00:16
qwerty12_N800semente: yep :/00:16
beneditoNeto1I know but I had to be a root user00:17
qwerty12_N800semente: don't think diablo is very security conscious - lock code is plan text (changing for next device as I understand it) :/00:17
beneditoNeto1jaffa:  In the case my application had to execute this command00:18
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sementeqwerty12_N800: I think is need I gnome-keyring for Maemo thats are integrated with lock code.00:19
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yergait seems there will be a calendar in Maemo 500:23
yergathough it could seems obvious ;)00:23
yergaand nokia maps too00:24
JaffabeneditoNeto1: if your app wants to install something, make it have a setuid binary00:24
Jaffayerga: where'd you find that?00:25
yergain hildon-desktop code00:25
qwerty12_N800beneditoNeto1: because you like long commands... dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/hildon_application_manager string:"file:///location/to/.deb"00:25
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yergait has hardcoded the applications will be in the first screen of the menu00:25
qwerty12_N800but user has to click ok like normal...00:26
yergawhere now it's control-panel and app manager, etc.00:26
Jaffayerga:: hildon-desktop's got refs to Nokia Maps?! Location-awareness stuff, I 'spose?00:26
yergag_datalist_set_data (&main_apps, "nokia-maps", (gpointer)7);00:26
yergaexactly it00:27
yergain line ~35000:30
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yergaAlso it's interesting this file in the SDK: /usr/share/applicattions/uri-action-defaults.list00:32
qwerty12_N800its existence or its contents?00:32
yergaits contents00:33
yergasms and call actions00:33
qwerty12_N800call, eh?00:34
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JaffaThe conf call stuff in was another giveaway00:36
JaffaThe iPhone/ advert with integrated calling is simple, but impressive00:36
Jaffayerga: that's lovely abstraction btw, allowing easy reuse in, say, Mer or Ubuntu MID (not)00:37
GeneralAntillesAlright, totally unsubscribing from -users.00:38
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beneditoNeto1Jaffa: tks so much00:39
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GeneralAntillesI don't really feel like dealing with off-list flames.00:40
JaffaGeneralAntilles: oh, fun.00:40
* GeneralAntilles can already feel his blood pressure dropping.00:42
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GeneralAntillesHello, Anidel.00:45
Anidelhey GA00:46
lcukyerga, thats a great list of apps.  reminds me of :)00:46
Anidelso strange that solution for flashing is not as safe as a full charged battery00:46
Anidelyerga, you wrote erminig, don't you?00:47
yergaAnidel, not.00:47
Anidelshoot :)00:47
yergaI helped to the dev to upload it to extras00:47
yergawell, to the second delevoper00:47
yergathe first was tahitibob00:48
Anideldoes the latest in extras work?00:48
AnidelI mean00:48
Anidelis it updated with gmail's API?00:48
Anidel'cause it doesn't work for me00:48
yergaI think so00:49
yergaat least with the last update of the api I uploaded to the repo00:49
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yergawhat version of python-gdata have you?00:49
AnidelI'll have to spend some more time on it00:50
Anidellet me check00:50
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Anidel(terminal won't start either...think Debain ruined something)00:53
yergacan you to do apt-get?00:54
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Anidelyupe... sorry it's maemo200:56
yergayeah, it's the last one.00:56
yergaplease, do apt-get install python-gdata=1.1.1-0maemo100:57
Anidelwill try00:57
yergaif it works with that version, then isnt updated00:57
Anidelsays can't find that version00:58
AnidelI think I have some extras-devel library installed00:58
yergaah, that version it's in -devel only00:59
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zakkmnHEADS UP: hildon-desktop will be broken in repository, as we are preparing to switch to new base UI.00:59
zakkmndoes that mean your changing to the new ui i saw in maemo 5 sdk screenshots?00:59
Anidelwhich one?01:00
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yergaI'll take a look tomorrow to Erminig01:02
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Anidelok... if 1.1.1 is in devel, why a newer version is in extras?01:03
Anidellast line of the error says: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'value'01:04
yergathe 1.1.1 version didn't do extras, it seems, or was deleted from there01:05
yergathe error is the one you write in iTT?01:05
Anidelit's always the same01:05
Anidelcan't wait to receive my dell mini 901:06
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Anidelyerga, which version of erminig is the latest stable, if you remember01:13
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Anidelgoing to sleep...good night01:38
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PavlovGeneralAntilles: you there?03:27
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jaem_N810does anybody know if maemo-wordpy's connection is encrypted03:39
jaem_N810*connection to WP03:39
jaem_N810I thought I'd ask, since I don't have the time to fire up Wireshark at the moment03:40
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Macerugh newegg sucks04:06
Maceri ordered that for the sole purpose of it having NO FAN04:06
Macerand i get a card with a flimsy ass heatsink and a crappy fan on it04:06
Maceri know right04:07
* fireun hates that04:07
Macerwtf :) it says PASSIVE Right in its name04:07
fireunI wont ever buy iomega products because of that04:07
Maceri just need it for a server. i am trying to eliminate having a video card with a fan on it in my server04:07
fireungeforce card, for a server?04:07
Macerone that i had didn't work in the box. and the one that's in there sounds like a damn jet engine04:07
Macerfireun: yah.. but it was an older 8400 and was $4004:08
* fireun would go scrounge a local pc shop04:08
Maceri really got it just because it didn't have a fan04:08
Macerfireun: local pc shop? if circuit city went under what makes you think there is a local pc shop anymore anywhere?04:08
fireunbecause there are like two in town here?04:09
Macerwow seriously?04:09
fireunmilage may vary04:09
Macerit's just a front. they are peddaling drugs out the back door :)04:09
fireunthere was never a circuit city here, is why04:09
Macersmall town?04:09
fireunwarehouse businesses DO kill small businesses04:09
fireunlocal cities dont like big box shops, although there is a walmart and a costco nearby04:10
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Maceryeah they sure do.. but stuff is so cheap :) although i suppose nobody can buy it if they don't have jobs04:10
Macerthere's always a walmart ... it's in infestation04:10
Macerhaven't you seen the walmart southpark?04:10
fireunyou'd be suprised how many people still dont know how to shop online04:10
fireunmy grandmother bought her pc at >SEARS<04:10
Maceroh i'm sure a ton of them don't.. or are rather scared04:10
fireunstupid old people04:10
Macerold people keep sears in business04:10
Macerplus. sears sells a lot of craftsman tools.. which i think is their real bread and butter04:11
* Macer thinks about all the US car makers going under.... 04:11
Macerwell.. maybe not for long :)04:11
Maceryou know what really sucks.. if you find an actual american made product.. then they are usually very high quality products04:12
Macereven canadian stuff is pretty good too04:12
fireunit seems like we're stop just short of outright collapse... but if you read/watch too much finance talk, we're really headed for the ringer.04:12
fireunlike, buying FOOD next year is going to be a concern04:12
fireunbut you cant believe everything you read04:12
Maceryeah.. from 14000 to 6800 for the dow04:12
Macerholy crap :)04:12
* fireun is not employed, since last summer04:12
* fireun is worried about school loans disappearing04:13
* fireun has little left to lose, so isnt too worried04:13
Macerheh.. my company was able to adjust before the shit really hit the fan04:14
fireunI wonder what career hobos have to think about the current economic mess?04:14
Macerbut their stock took a major hit when people were selling them off in order to make up for bankrupt hedge funds04:14
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Macereven the good stocks got hit because people had to make the money up elsewhere04:14
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fireunyup, cant watch stock markets, they're insane and cant be used to predict the future, unfortunatly, many many many people >are< in fact gauging the future by the activity of the stock market04:15
Macerfireun: private business is the only thing that is going to save the economy04:15
fireunkinda like using a roulette table to predict what food to buy04:15
Macerthe stock market has always been nothing more than fake money :)04:15
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Macerunfortunately the credit lines are given by a banking system that survives in the market04:16
fireunMacer: at a certain level, a basic lifestyle demands basic services - so for instance, "the pampered chef" market is pulling in big profits right now, everyone is cooking at home.04:16
Maceryeah... i suppose so04:17
fireunMacer: there are still localized sources of capital that will want an outlet, and those that dont trust the credit markets to see their money put to good use will invest in local business04:17
Maceron the brighter side.. we have free trade for not turning us into the new mexico :)04:17
fireunhopefully we wont slump back to barter markets04:17
benson[away]fireun: And everyone still has enough money to buy fancy cookware.04:17
Macerbarter! haha04:17
Macermaybe that was the way to go in the first place04:17
Macerat least people would all learn a skill04:17
benson[away]Pampered Chef dies when times get worse, and people make do with one skiller.04:18
fireunbenson[away]: americans buy stuff, to comfort themselves... cooking supplies, books, ect, seem like a safe bet04:18
infobotbenson[away] meant: Pampeted Chef dies when times get worse, and people make do with one skiller.04:18
fireunbenson[away]: yes, all markets are transitionary04:18
benson[away]skillet, anyway.04:18
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fireunfinance is the ability to make profit from a given market environment04:19
fireun"financial weather"04:19
* fireun is reading books on economics fundamentals to better understand what the hell market people are talking about04:19
fireunits all a bunch of mathmatical models nowdays04:20
fireunwhich is not always relatable to common sense reality04:20
fireununfortunatly, the more I know about the situation, the easier it is to scare people with it (:04:21
fireunespecially people who start a discussion with "goverment has never done any good"04:21
fireunfrightening how many people think obama is a commie04:22
bensonOversimplifications FTW!04:22
* fireun mutters04:22
fireunbenson: the financial industry / economics theory is freaking madness04:22
fireunthe more you look at it, the more there is to wonder about04:23
fireunif you really want to blow your mind, look at what Iceland is like04:24
fireun890% debt over GDP as they currently stand04:25
fireunthey are FUBAR04:25
fireunthe US is still only at like 30-40% even with current TARP spending04:25
* fireun stops himself04:26
doc|workstill... but for now04:26
bensonThat's pretty impressive.04:26
fireundoc|work: the US >does< have a pretty imense GDP, despite current losses04:26
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fireunitaly is supposed to be at like 90% GDP04:27
doc|workfireun: sure, and 70% of it built on people buying stuff.04:27
doc|workwhich they're no longer doing04:27
fireunagain, finance is crazy, they've been trying to figure out what causes GDP growth in different countries *forever*04:27
* benson tends not to research economics too much. No point making myself raging mad or suicidally depressed. ;)04:27
doc|workfireun: inflation does, but not for good reasons :)04:28
fireunbenson: I cant sit buy and believe anything the talking heads on tv say, so... I spend that time reading04:28
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fireundoc|work: again, the more I learn, the more confusing it gets...04:28
fireunit can NOT be sumed up in a 2 minute "discussion" with a news anchor and his guest04:29
doc|workfireun: it's good for those who pull the strings that it's confusing. Means you can't question it.04:29
bensonTV?! No way.04:29
fireunthere is so much more the most people dont understand04:29
doc|workthe entire thing is a pyramid scheme, and the bottom cards are falling now04:29
bensonReading definitely is the way to go about it.04:29
fireunbenson: most americans get their "opinions" on whats going on from the TV04:29
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fireundoc|work: I cant side with any broad statement like that04:30
bensonBut I already know enough to have one of the aforementioned effects.04:30
fireundoc|work: but I will agree there are similarities04:30
doc|workfireun: start reading about money. History of it, and the past results of using fiat currencies.04:30
fireunbenson: education is the only way to form an opinion, a trust network fails every time04:30
fireunlike a game of telephone04:30
fireundoc|work: I saw something today.. hold on..04:31
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fireunthe fiat dollar system allows the fed to alter economic balance, which is key to how the US's markets work04:32
fireunit enabled strange models to be used04:32
fireunnot that I'm saying its a good thing, it was just a new technology04:33
doc|workfireun: sure, and it's a bad thing04:33
doc|workthey can print money whenever they want, spend the money however they want04:33
fireundoc|work: looking at today's numbers, yeah, doesnt seem to currently be doing any good, but for awhile it allowed some extraordinary things to exist04:33
fireundoc|work: running out of money does freakist things to a country04:34
doc|workfireun: the money's not running out04:34
doc|workthe credit is04:34
fireunso its a useable recovery tool, but again, not necessarily good in the long run04:34
doc|workyou should read that04:34
fireundoc|work: right, the trap of using a fiat currency04:34
fireuneverything has a cost04:34
doc|workhaving bad times? create more credit! having good times? hey, things are going well! more credit for everyone!04:35
doc|workoh look, a crack...04:35
fireunheard a quote the other day, that the US loves new technology, has always adopted new things and new ways of doing things without understanding the impact/costs..04:35
fireunlike cars, for instance04:35
fireunwe fall in love with a technology, and then get angry when it burns us down the road04:35
fireun"its my RIGHT to be able to drive my 8L hemi down the road as fast as I wanna"04:36
doc|workif they could have the industrial revolution without fiat currency they could have had growth in the last 100 years without it04:36
doc|workI'd even suggest it would be better growth as there'd be more malinvestment04:36
doc|workwith credit04:36
doc|worke.g. housing bubbles04:36
fireundoc|work: all moot at this day (:04:36
doc|workno, could04:36
fireunhindsight is a bitch04:36
doc|workfireun: not at all, to fix the problem you first need to understand what caused it04:36
fireunknowledge is power04:37
doc|worknot understanding it and trying to fix it makes you a  .... politician...04:37
fireunno doubt04:37
doc|workanyway, read that link04:37
doc|worklots of other stuff there too04:37
fireunthe technology of politicians is "people"04:37
fireunyeah, I appologize for derailing #maemo onto current economics topics04:37
fireunits easy to get passionate about it these days04:38
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Maceri tell you if it's not one thing it's another :)05:12
Macerfilezilla won't xfer unless i am moving the mouse haha05:13
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bensonMacer, do like
bensonFortunately there's no girl involved. ;)05:24
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GeneralAntillesPavlov, pong?07:58
Pavlovso, for uploading to extras it looks like we're supposed to upload a src deb.. know who i should ask a few questions about?07:59
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GeneralAntillesAbout creating a source deb or about uploading one?08:00
Pavlovmore the former i guess08:00
GeneralAntillesWell, jeremiah is the official debmaster.08:00
GeneralAntillesBut a lot of the people in here can help.08:01
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800 might be around.08:01
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RST38hAnyone knows how to parse .8Xu format?08:49
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ENTERANICKis there where you get help with web2irc08:54
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johnx_jbodman, what kind of help do you need?09:24
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Jaffamorning, all10:06
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RST38hmoo johnx10:06
johnx_m00f RST38h10:07
johnx_morning Jaffa10:07
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RST38hWashPost at its best =)10:28
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sansHow to set proxy from my application in maemo?10:34
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RST38hwhat proxy?10:41
udovdhanybody know where to find documentation10:43
udovdhon the n810 gps? (configuration, features, etc)10:43
RST38hyou have no direct access to n810 gps10:43
sansnetwork proxy10:43
RST38hBut it is TI NaviLink GPS5300 part10:44
udovdhok and how do I set what sentences I want?10:44
udovdhI know for navit that there are a few deamons in between10:44
RST38ha moment.10:44
udovdhbut I want to check the raw gps device10:44
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udovdhRST38h,  thanks, will have a look10:45
sansi want to do proxy settings within  my application for checking it on X8610:45
RST38hsans: 1. Install proxy, 2. make your application route accesses to localhost:<proxyport>10:46
udovdhRST38h, I just got navit to build for n810 using OpenEmbedded:
udovdhso I am now looking into these things10:46
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sansInstall proxy ?10:47
sansRST38h:how do i install proxy?10:49
sansis there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application10:51
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sansis there any api to set hostname and port number of proxy in my application10:57
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RST38hsans: No, should there be?11:02
jaem_awayhey, all11:04
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jaemI just found an uber-cheap source for erbium-doped laser rods11:05
RST38hAm I missing something or is it simply a case of another nigerian using automatic translation?11:05
jaemand even cheaper xenon flash strobes11:05
RST38hjaem: You know what to do!11:05
jaemhehe... I do indeed11:05
jaemI'm not sure if we'll be able to get them across the border easily, though :(11:05
sansyeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application11:06
RST38hLaunch them straight into space.11:06
jaemI was thinking more like "build a laser"11:06
* RST38h was thinking more like "build a freaking huge arrays of lasers and DESTROY DESTROY"11:06
jaemthe rods are $20 each, presumably in decent condition, but sold "as-is"11:06
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jaemand the strobe to pump it is another $2011:07
RST38hafaik, end surfaces have to be treated in a special way11:07
sansyeah it would be helpfull for me as i am deploping an app in GTK for which i have to connect to net but for that have to do proxy settings for my application11:07
jaemyes, most likely11:07
jaemwe're looking into it11:07
jaembut hey - it would be fun11:07
RST38hsnas: You do all network access on your own11:07
RST38hsans: this includes proxying11:07
RST38hjaem: Depends on which government you are going to blackmail I guess...11:08
jaemlol... they're not *that* dangerous11:08
RST38hjaem: Or are you going for a planet-destroying-scale device?11:08
jaemthey're the "burn your eyes clear through the back of your head" type, not the Death Star type11:08
jaemwe're seriously considering it, and I have some contacts at my uni, and elsewhere11:09
jaemso it might work out :D11:09
RST38hNow if someone told methe format of the .8xu file...11:10
jaemand dirt cheap, too11:10
jaemalthough the optics might be pricey11:10
jaemRST38h: did you try the usual places?11:10
jaemyou could always try grovelling at TI - they won't give you the format spec, but they'd probably appreciate it ;)11:11
* RST38h tried all possible places, no doughnut.11:12
* RST38h is currently reverse engineering the damn format and it looks easy except that some data seems to go to the same location in rom11:12
jaemis Jeremiah's e-mail address listed somewhere?11:12
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sansRST38h: Didn't get u11:13
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RST38hsans: How do you access a web site?11:23
sansby typing its name :)11:28
udovdhafter an apt-get update/upgrade I get:11:29
udovdhThe following packages have been kept back:11:29
udovdh  libdb4.2 libxml211:29
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udovdhany idea why?11:29
sanswhat r u tryin to install11:31
sansudovdh:what r u tryin to install11:31
udovdhsans, just an update/upgrade thing11:31
udovdhnothing special11:32
udovdhI did11:32
udovdhapt-get update11:32
udovdhapt-get upgrade11:32
Jaffajaem: not sure, google "jeremiah foster" and find his blog?11:32
udovdhand in upgrade I get these lines as part of the output11:32
RST38hsans: ok. what do you call "my program" then?11:32
udovdhThe following packages have been kept back:11:32
udovdh  libdb4.2 libxml211:32
* Stskeeps pokes his coffee11:33
udovdhapt-get dist-upgrade helps here!11:34
jaemJaffa: I did, and it had his IM addresses, but no e-mail contact that I could see11:34
jaemSts: what does poking do, aside from scald your finger :P11:34
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qwerty12jaem, you can try jeremiah AT devmodul.com11:38
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sansRST38h: I am trying to get data from web and display in an application11:41
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RST38hsans: Sorry, either I do not understand what you are doing or you do not understand what you want to do yourself11:55
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TCMAN-dmgi am kind of a n810 noob and i have bunch of questions12:11
TCMAN-dmgis anyone maintaining pidgin? it seems a bit outdated?12:11
* qwerty12 blinks as his function to launch the file manager with the correct folder in transmission actually works12:12
TCMAN-dmgand is there any simple x11+openbox/fbpanel or lxde type gui for n810 instead of maemo?12:13
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AStormI'm having a problem with battery monitor12:18
AStormit seems locked up - either always says battery low12:19
AStormor that it's always charging12:19
AStormhappened recently, after an invalid shutdown I guess12:20
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qwerty12The icon or when you tap it?12:20
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AStormalways, both12:21
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AStormit responds to charger being connected12:21
AStormbut not to it being disconnected12:22
qwerty12Odd. If the icon doesn't animate when charging, "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" works for me but you may have a different problem12:22
AStormyeah, it's some bme failure12:22
AStormI'd like some help with this...12:27
AStormdon't know what to look for12:27
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papagajwhich repository do I have to enable in order to install sqlite3 cli12:35
papagajinto the scratchbox X86 environment?12:36
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thopiekarwhy is it not possible to remove a project from
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RST38hbecause nobody needed it so far?12:52
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Corsacmhm, with my last dist-upgrade on mer, the left buttons are not visible anymore13:12
Corsacit seems that all the “desktop” is shifted, in fact13:13
Corsacthat's why :)13:15
AStormqwerty12, seems like refreshing the cache fixed it... wicked13:15
qwerty12X-Fade, you broke the chinook builder at least: :)13:16
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Corsacwow :)13:24
Corsacis there an ETA?13:24
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AStormStskeeps, build me Deluge13:26
AStormtransmission is worse13:27
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StskeepsCorsac: all depends on when wazd shows up ;)13:32
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Corsacok :)13:32
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qwerty12X-Fade, I lied. Sorry.13:37
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* Jaffa sticks sofa beds, desks and office chairs up on ebay14:17
Stskeepsselling all your possessions for the preorder of RX-51? :P14:21
JaffaNot quite :)14:21
RST38hTI82 added.14:23
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Stskeepsmorning Meizirkki15:46
Stskeepsnew ISP?15:46
Meizirkkino, i'm just not at home15:46
Stskeepswhoever came up with gobject will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes15:47
MyrttiI set my editor at my shellproviders to emacs and still my crontab -e throws me into vi ;____;15:49
* Myrtti whimpers15:49
Stskeepsexport VISUAL=emacs? export EDITOR=emacs?15:49
* Stskeeps is a vim user but believes in choice :P15:50
MyrttiStskeeps: I put it in .zshrc and started a new instance.15:50
Stskeeps(we were forced to use emacs at uni .. :P)15:50
ShadowJKwe could use whatever we wanted at uni15:50
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ShadowJKthey didn't particulary care about programming langue either :-)15:50
MyrttiI was taught how to do SQL92 with emacs and have loved it since15:51
Myrttithe professor is quite well known in emacsen, I believe... so I guess he was a bit partial15:51
StskeepsShadowJK: yeah, it was like that after a bit15:51
* Stskeeps tries to find the needle in the haystack with hn-app-switcher15:52
Myrttibah. I did manage to get the crontab there anyway15:53
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StskeepsMyrtti: any good shopping list utilities for 770?15:58
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* Stskeeps is trying to tablet-addict his fiancee :P15:59
qwerty12_N800build qt for 770 :p15:59
Stskeepsyeah, i was actually pondering that16:00
qwerty12_N800iirc, lbt has a older gtk version of shopper actually16:00
MyrttiStskeeps: not that I know of, haven't looked. I'm usually happy if my tablet has pdf reader for viewing knitting patterns, mauku for microblog and osso-xterm and ssh for irssi16:00
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lbtI have16:01
Stskeepshmm, that could be interesting16:01
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lbtThere's a deb if you want it - it works well16:02
Myrttiit does sadden me that the amount of apps for 2007 (or OS2007HE2) is so small and installing the apps is such a pain in the rear16:02
lbtI think Mer is about making sure that's not a problem for the N8x016:02
qwerty12_N800lbt: i may go for it - I don't have enough space for qt libs :)16:03
Stskeepslbt: sure, url16:03
lbtone minute16:03
StskeepsMyrtti: i'm worried that Mer is slow on 770s :/ i am really amazed how 2007he runs on it though16:03
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JaffaStskeeps: wow, getting there :-)16:05
JaffaWhere've the status bar applets gone?16:05
lbtStskeeps:  I hope :
johnxdid it take much hacking to make the task switcher work horizontal?16:06
Stskeepsjohnx: i have considered once or twice getting whoever did hn-app-switcher drunk and getting him/her to do it for me.16:06
johnxthe 'drunk' part is a bribe or a comment about the code?16:07
Stskeepsboth, i guess16:07
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lbtqwerty12_N800: how much does it say it must download for the Qt version of shopper?16:08
qwerty12_N800lbt: ~16MB, will take ~40MB when installed16:09
lbtI'll look at the dependencies - it's supposed to only need a subset of Qt16:09
Stskeepslbt: ok, doesn't work in 2007he, but that's what i get for running an old OS :P16:11
lbtshame - I did have a chinook version IIRC16:11
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Stskeepsi'll just have to get Mer working on it properly :P16:14
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Stskeepsjohnx: i'm just not sure if i like a constant dropdown instead like..16:19
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incinerator_hello, can anyone help me with bluetooth DUN setup?16:20
johnxStskeeps, have you used anything with normal matchbox where you click on the titlebar to switch apps?16:20
Stskeepsno idea, i disabled the mb titlebar16:20
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johnxIMNSHO one click to switch apps is nicer16:21
johnxbut it depends on how many you're running I guess16:21
johnxaaah, and have that in addition?16:21
incinerator_i'm trying to let my brand-new n810 connect to the PC via bluetooth DUN and pppd16:21
johnxI do like that16:21
incinerator_but pppd always does a modem hangup16:21
Stskeepsincinerator_: Bluetooth PAN might be easier16:22
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thopiekarStskeeps: -> #mer :P16:24
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Stskeepsjohnx: i think wazd's idea is basically Applications Menu, Menu (formerly titlebar), Running apps (+ switcher), Statusbar16:31
lbthmm qwerty12_N800 I removed all the qt libraries and it still needs 7/19Mb - I think that's as modular as it gets right now :)16:31
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qwerty12_N800lbt: hehe, I really need to clone :D (although this card is slow :(, on a diablo extracted from the rootfs, I get stalling when booted from card :/)16:33
Stskeepsjohnx: and adjustment of how many apps can be contained in running apps (number of items)16:33
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JaffaStskeeps: agreed, that's how I understand his mockup16:37
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lbtso about xrandr...16:48
lbtsomeone said the new kernel has i16:48
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lbtjott: ping17:01
qwerty12_N800~seen jott17:01
infobotjott is currently on #maemo, last said: ':)'.17:01
lbt refers to osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb which isn't there...17:02
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qwerty12_N800He hasn't said anything on #maemo for a few months :/17:03
lbtjust a ghost presence then...17:03
lbtI think the %3a in that url may be wrong17:04
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lcuklbt, he is not a ghost presence, however the fontsize of his responses is measured using complex numbers17:14
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lbtwell, if he's not here you'll do ....17:15
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lcukqwerty knows more about rotation lol17:15
qwerty12_N800not really :)17:16
lbtoh well...17:16
lcukjott managed to almost kill liqbase at the summit17:16
qwerty12_N800<-- never dealed with libxrandr17:16
lbtthis page of jott's17:16
lcukmy mmc could not handle the speed boost17:16
lbthas 2 debs17:16
lbt refers to 317:16
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qwerty12_N800lcuk: burn your weakling mmc!17:16
lbtosso-software-version-rx34-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb is missing17:17
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lcukwasnt there meant to be a kernel quilt built up of all these patches17:17
lcukand wasnt qwerty involved :P17:17
qwerty12_N800i'm a member of community kernels but I dunno if that's ever gonna be active :/ : here's what I came up with :
lcuklbt ^17:19
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lbt%3a is a ":"17:20
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lbtI thought Diablo updates didn't need flash anymore and happened through the net...17:25
lbtso why am I on OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='4.2008.30-2'17:25
lcukyou still need a flashable version to get started17:26
lbthmm I think my memory is going... do I need to do 'one last flash'17:27
lcuki dont think so17:30
lbtapt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked17:30
lcuki recall something about people having a backass version number but still being updated17:30
lcuk34 is the 800 isnt it17:30
* lcuk thought you had an 81017:30
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lbtexternal GPS17:31
lbtso when I mentioned shopper+GPS you probably linked it to 81017:31
lcukyou have gps for shopper?17:32
lcukis that so you can find your way back to the cheese?17:32
lbtit was supposed to be17:32
lcuklol need indoor gps17:32
lbtbut GPS and Sainsburys don't work17:32
lbtI tried17:32
lcukyou could have your helpers standing with mirrors to deflect signals around and out the windows17:33
* lcuk enlists his children17:33
lbthmm, my ssh based install just said:17:34
lbtStopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd217:34
lbtand then nothing...17:34
lcukwhy does it cull icd?17:35
lbtI just did17:35
lbtapt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked17:35
qwerty12Leave it, it'll reconnect17:35
lbtwhich appears to be doing a catchup17:35
lbtqwerty12: yep - I ran top on the machine17:35
lbtand dpkg is busy17:35
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lbtmy tablet is telling me football scores17:38
lbtI bloody hate football17:38
lbtI'd rather have Skype17:39
lbtstill, I guess the upgrade didn't brick anything...17:39
lbthey lcuk - have you tried shopper 0.5.5 ?17:40
lcukive not got *any* space on my /, certainly not enough for qt17:41
* lcuk will do soon17:41
lcukshopper is the principle hello world app for qt :) you are a gateway drug17:41
lcuktisnt excuses david, very impressed you have got something simple and usable in qt, it will be important to adoption17:41
lbttrolltech bribed me17:41
lbtI just want your opinion on the finger scrolling and gestures17:42
lcukis it in extras?17:42
* lcuk will put it on the other one17:42
lbtit is17:43
lcukcool, ill get tracy to do it whilst im rebuilding her pooter17:43
lcukno good now, she can search lol17:43
lcukhave you left both versions of shopper available?17:43
lbtit's still on the downloads page17:43
lcukor is there only 1 listed17:44
lbtonly 117:44
lbtI just uploaded the gtk version though17:44
lbtif anyone needs it17:44
lcukwhat so if i install from extras now its the gtk one?17:44
lbtBut let me say I hate Antony Dovgal17:44
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lbtno, sorry, extras is qt17:45
lbtbut someone asked for the gtk17:45
lbtso I uploaded the deb to the website17:45
lcukMyrtti and her 77017:45
lbtno links to it or anything17:45
lbtyes that was it17:45
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lcukill bbl :) ill let you know17:45
lbtis Chinook == 770 ?17:46
MyrttiI've got bora since I'm using OS2007HE217:46
lbtOK - hmmm17:46
qwerty12Chinook is the first edition of OS2008, 4.0. Diablo is the second edition, 4.1.17:46
lbtnot sure if I can build shopper for Bora17:46
lbtqwerty12:  you'll know... can I setup a scratchbox for Bora17:47
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qwerty12You should be able to, I've got my scratchbox set up for the Fremantle alpha & Diablo.17:48
lbtMyrtti: do you want shopper/gtk?17:48
Myrttilbt: pls ♥17:48
lbtOK  - no promises...17:48
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qwerty12lbt, you can run the script17:49
qwerty12But check you have the scratchbox packages mentioned in installed17:50
lbtI'm mostly worried about the gtkmm bits17:51
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lcuklbt - shopper is there but qt isnt18:11
thopiekarqt is in extras-devel....18:11
thopiekareven not ready for extras i think..18:11
thopiekaror what do you mean?18:12
lcukthats the point - shopper cqannot be installed without needing devel18:12
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b-manthopiekar: i herd you said i could not get AWN running on my tablet, so i did XD -
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lbtlcuk: oh, I didn't realise that - grr - this is another reason we need extras, extras-test and extras-experimental18:20
lcuklbt no, its the problem of using thne unreleased lib unfortunately, and its outside yyourf ontrol18:22
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lcuki would like to signup for specific testing of specific apps18:23
lcukinsstead of all apps from -devel18:23
lbtthat's hard18:23
lcukand i hate 810 kb lol18:23
lcukbbl anyway18:23
lbt'k l8r18:24
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lbtGeneralAntilles: ping18:24
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lcuklbt 7 mb download18:27
lcuki see cheese bacon18:27
lbtthought you might...18:27
lcuki click add new18:27
lcukkeyboard is locked in Fn mode18:28
lbtah, now that I can't test...18:28
lcukit wont let me type letters18:28
lbtmaybe that's why Qt isn't in extras <grin>18:29
lbtwhat happens if you close the keyboard?18:30
lbtdo you get the virtual one?18:30
lcukdavid im vncing from tracys machine cant click18:31
lbton what?18:32
lbtvirt keyb?18:33
JaffaHmm, I can't run start on my fremantle install; all that happens is a whole load of messages with two looking particularly nasty18:34
lcuk810 im touchtyping on the thumbboard lol18:34
Jaffamatchbox: No composite extension18:34
Jaffamatchbox-window-manager: *Error*  OOM?18:34
JaffaSo, any thoughts on how I get Xephyr to have a composite extension?18:36
qwerty12Jaffa, in FREMANTLE_X86? Also, use "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac &" to launch Xephyr. (Mainly, don't have -extension Composite in there - sounds counterproductive but it only works if I don't have it in there)18:36
Jaffaqwerty12: Ah, I didn't think I did have it, but I do. Ta. Will remove & retry18:37
JaffaAha, much better.18:38
JaffaTa muchly18:38
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lbtlcuk: is it working yet?18:43
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b-manStskeeps: how did you get the camera to work in cheese? - i remember you doing it but i've forgotten how18:57
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lbtwell rotation in Shopper 'just works' after installing the right kernel ;)19:08
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sp3000GeneralAntilles, the Rabid Defender :P19:28
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guysoft42hey, i seem to have lost audio capability in the debian chroot. does anyone know what could be the cause?19:56
* FireFox3 needs to find a more practical way to manage his repository - it's getting larger wich means it's taking longer to re-image20:05
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FireFox3(i'm on average uploading 300-450 files every time :P)20:05
guysoft42FireFox3, what repo?20:06
FireFox3i'm adding e17 to it atm20:07
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FireFox3i need a way to just upload individual packages without having to re-upload the entire repository20:10
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GeneralAntilleslbt, pong?20:22
GeneralAntillessp3000, rawr!20:22
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GeneralAntillessp3000, I had to unsubscribe after I started getting off-list flames.20:26
GeneralAntillesJust not worth it.20:26
sp3000that's ...nice20:27
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if Nokia's going to fuck us with the new categories.20:29
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FireFox3wb qwerty12_N80020:33
qwerty12_N800hi FireFox320:33
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GeneralAntillesI will laugh so hard if Nokia ships before the Pandora.20:46
qwerty12_N800Pandora shipping? In another world... :)20:46
GeneralAntillesIn the 7th dimension.20:47
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GeneralAntillesI'll laugh even harder if they ship it and the damn things fall to pieces.20:48
fireunbuckaroo bonzai20:48
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FireFox3in  a parallel universe20:48
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I'd put a fiver on Nokia shipping first now20:49
* qwerty12_N800 has an itch for an WinMo phone after playing with my sister's Xperia X1. Shame MS's bluetooth stack sucks balls20:50
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah, it seems likely.20:50
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, get a life.20:50
RST38hqwerty: WinMo is pure horror. Avoid.20:50
* GeneralAntilles chuckles at qwerty12_N800 picking the Bluetooth stack of all things.20:50
FireFox3qwerty12_n800: bad idea20:50
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, it's just the unfed gadget addiction talking.20:51
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, wait for Nokia to get you a real fix. :P20:51
qwerty12_N800RST38h: sorry, was an avid winmo user before I had a tablet :p20:52
RST38hqwerty: My condolences =)20:52
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: yeah, I'll see if the next device is the shit :p20:52
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* FireFox3 allmost bough a ipod touch before he bough his N800, thank god i didn't buy thr ipod touch XD20:52
FireFox3*bought :P20:53
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b-manhello, Meizirkki :)20:58
* b-man wonders why no one has botherd packaging the murrine configuration editor, ti should not be too hard to do :P20:58
* b-man hates his keyboard today :P20:58
Meizirkkib-man, hi :P20:59
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MeizirkkiDoes Mers first-boot-wizard store username in some file???21:04
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Meizirkkior, is there any file that all usernames are stored?21:08
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slonopotamusMeizirkki, /etc/passwd?21:10
Meizirkkithanks :)21:11
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GeneralAntilleslardman|gone, the Halo Wars box has a barcode for mobile phones on it.21:23
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lcukx41~lart windowsxp21:39
* infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs windowsxp21:39
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lbtGeneralAntilles:  I forgot why I pinged you - possibly to ask about Qt and extras-devel....21:41
lbtOh yes - do you have an 800 or an 810? lcuk is having keyboard problems and I wondered if you were too21:43
lbtoh, and do you have the xrandr kernel installed?21:43
lcukx41lol im having a different keyboard problem, jake just got hold of my desktop again21:43
lbtI'll be back in a bit - got to beat the wife21:44
lbtat wii tennis21:44
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Jaffalby: esddup?21:54
Jaffalbt: wassup?21:54
Jaffa(with extras-devel and qt)21:55
timelE61ihello world21:55
Jaffalo timelE61i21:55
lcukx41jaffa, i installed shopper on my 810, but clicking new gave me ONLY numerics and "£$£$^$% type characters21:56
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timelE61ibTw, why did shopper spam community?21:59
lcukx41spam?  it was an announcment from the community to the community i  thought22:00
timelE61ishould each app do that?22:01
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lcukx41timelE61i upto community members depending on if its listened to or not22:04
lcukx41ie their choice22:04
lcukx41surely more traffic to a community discussion mailing list which is NOT about bitching and moaning is a good thing22:05
timelE61ii suppose it could be worse22:06
timelE61iMozilla dev planning has people complaining that the firefox after 3.0 will be 3.5 instead of 3:122:06
sp3000we could have a flamewar about announcements :P22:06
* timelE61i imagines maemo people insisting maemo 5.0 should be 4.222:07
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timelE61isp3000: btw, we've been asked to do daily reporting22:08
sp3000oh joy22:08
timelE61iPredicting using our tea leave reading skills all the bugs we'll fix that day22:08
timelE61iSo i suggest you buy some tea leaves and get some practice time in22:09
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sp3000me fix bugs? :P22:09
timelE61iThe requirement was for everyone :)22:10
* timelE61i fixed one bug for the week22:10
* sp3000 grumbles22:10
sp3000I should get a new chair22:10
lcukx41gah timeless, you could just put yourself on 1 simple one per day but constantly do more than you say and gain a rep as a superman!22:10
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derfStart with, "Today I will dork around on the internet."22:11
timelE61isp3000, i didn't know you were a good chair thrower22:11
RST38hAnyone wants to test the new AT85?22:11
sp3000this one feels like an irc rofl will turn into a real rofl all of a sudden at some point22:11
RST38h(still missing faceplates for TI82 and TI83+, so it is not going to extras yet)22:11
timelE61iLcuk: we predict we'll spend all day predicting instead of getting work done22:11
lcukx41yeah sounds like policy in some places ive worked22:12
derfWhy is it missing faceplates?22:12
sp3000well, you just need to apply more buzwords22:12
derfJust haven't gotten to them yet, or...?22:12
sp3000timebox the predicting! :D22:12
RST38hderf: Wazd is doing the faceplates and I am afraid he is out of town for the long weekend22:12
lcukx41faceplate designer has gone awol lol22:12
sp3000buzz even22:12
derfAh, okay.22:12
timelE61isp3000: well, i finished my arch doc on friday22:13
* sp3000 suggests a timebox of 20 seconds22:13
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timelE61iQa complained it had too many buzzwords in the first paragraph22:13
timelE61iSomething about html/xhtml useragent22:13
Stskeepshow can you avoid buzzwords in a browser arch doc? :P22:14
lcukx41easy, make up your new ones22:14
* sp3000 idly wonders what a facepalmtree looks like22:14
timelE61ists: by saving everyone time by not writing/having one22:15
sp3000oddly, google image search fails me22:15
timelE61iIt's not like anyone will read it22:15
timelE61iSadly, one of our engineers said he could have used it when he first arrived22:15
Stskeepsi'd love to see the spec doc on hn-app-switcher.c, especially since i can't make heads or tails of it..22:15
lcukx41does it work on device now22:16
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* Stskeeps goes dive back into it22:16
lbtJaffa: Qt is (apparently) in extras-devel but shopper (in extras) depends on it...22:16
lbttimelE61i: what I can't market my product with an ANNOUNCE ;)22:17
timelE61iIf it doesn't work out of the box?22:17
timelE61iNo ;)22:17
lbtwhich box?22:17
timelE61iBut i think you want -announce@22:18
* suihkulokki wonders when the word "facepalm" slipped into common use22:18
lbtwasn't aware of an -announce22:18
timelE61iyou could make one :)22:18
derfsuihkulokki: About 3 years ago?22:18
lbtI just merged it into community22:18
timelE61iDerf: i think it was older22:19
derfIt has existed for longer, sure.22:19
derfBut he said "common".22:19
lbtStskeeps: it's looking really really good :)22:19
timelE61isTs: i'm assuming that file is a stub22:19
lcukx41lbt, im surprised the extras promotion let your app thorough since its deps are not available from extras22:19
Stskeepslbt: i'm not at all happy with the code i had to manipulate to get that working though22:19
lcukx41Stskeeps: yeah agree with lbt :)22:20
lbtlcukx41: I agree - I'm not happy22:20
StskeepstimelE61i: well, this particular interface is just functionality, artwork is when i grab wazd22:20
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timelE61iYeah please file a bug against promoter22:20
timelE61iIt's clearly broken22:20
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StskeepstimelE61i: this is hildon-desktop non-fremantle, multitasking isn't in fremantle just yet22:20
lbtStskeeps: OK where's Mer at? what's the best way to help? Porting things? testing things?22:20
lcukx41lbt, its something that we should get solved asap because if others start adding randomly to -devel it causes problems22:21
Stskeepslbt: grab a vmdk and start playing, really22:21
StskeepstimelE61i: namespace clash, sorry :)22:21
lbtvmdk.... not scratchbox?22:21
Meizirkkilbt: make a "tablet-gdm", that shows a user list and doesn't ask for a password :P22:22
Meizirkkijust a suggestion22:22
Meizirkkiit would be good for n800 users ;)22:22
Stskeepslbt: correct, mer on x86 is practically the same as on tablet.. scratchbox is just a cross-compilation accelerator22:22
Stskeepsyou could also compile natively22:22
Stskeepsour builders go x86 (has to compile) -> scratchbox (do an accelerated build if possible) -> native armel (if sb failed)22:23
Stskeepsso if you implement some feature or whatever on the vmdk, it most likely is buildable on tablet too22:23
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lbtstart here:   ?22:23
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Stskeepsi'd start out by grabbing a vmdk really and trying it out, and then if it fits your ideas of a sane system to start helping out with, and then the sprints :)22:24
Stskeepsvmdk can run in virtualbox & vmware, and we provide raw images for the rest22:24
Stskeepsvmdk = the -actual- mer system22:24
lbtI was/am actually looking for a vmdk link...22:25
lbtget the release 0.9 one?22:25
Stskeepsit helps a lot on development you can practically test it right away on the actual system :P22:27
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lbtalright - I'll start dl'ing and setting up...22:30
timelE61isetup? Double click22:31
lbtdouble click - just higlights a word22:31
timelE61iyou need  xmlterm :)22:32
lbtright now I'm on a vanilla kernel and don't have vmware or virtualbox...22:32
timelE61iSp3000, ever used it?22:32
lbtI run xen on another machine but that isn't ideal22:32
sp3000for several minutes, a few years ago22:33
lcukx41lbt, it installs on device almost painlessly, ive even managed it/122:33
lbteven though I've got a hacked bootmenu?22:33
lcukx41oooer then if you already hacked that you should know lol22:33
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lbtyeah - I forgot ... it's the alzhei    oooh pretty..... hey - Mer looks cool22:34
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timelE61ipeople seem to like virtualbox...22:34
* timelE61i practices stair climbing22:35
* qwerty12_N800 a vmware person 22:35
* lbt a debian person22:35
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* timelE61i grumbles22:35
* qwerty12_N800 a ms-dos person22:35
timelE61idebian hurt my xen prospects22:35
lbt? I run xen on debian22:36
lbtI run xen *because* of debian22:36
* timelE61i wants to run debian on xen22:36
lbtI do that - it's easy22:36
lbtyou need 2.6.26-1-xen-68622:37
timelE61iWanna walk me through it some time?22:38
lbtto make life easy prep some lvm2 space22:39
timelE61iUm host =snv107 iirc22:40
lbtoh - that pastebin is from when I ran 2.6.222:40
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timelE61iSo the store is zfs...22:40
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lbtqwerty12_N800: I don't think bora has libgtkmm - where's the bora pool?22:51
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* lbt facepalms22:57
lbtnah - there's no gtkmm in there ...22:58
lbtSorry Myrtti - looks like we'll need Qt on Mer on 77022:59
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Myrttilbt: ok, I'll just wait until I get my hands on my n800 and enjoy23:01
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lbtdon't forget you'll need extras-devel accessible in order to get Qt23:02
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RST38hehlo, Myrtti23:07
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Stskeepsi think after spending a couple of hours together with GTK, i actually want to learn Qt.23:10
MyrttiRST38h: ack23:10
lbtStskeeps: I spent a long time learning gtk for shopper and binned it :) IMHO it's not a decision you'll regret23:11
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lcukdavid, your experiences with gtk and qt do make a compelling case for switching.23:15
lcuklbt, what was your biggest problem with gtk though23:16
lbtit wasn't as well designed, the docs were poor and there was no-one to help23:17
lbtthat's for C++23:17
lbtI wrote a few lines of C based gtk and went to find alcohol23:17
lbtand I'm almost teetotal !23:17
Stskeepsah, so that's what that feeling is23:17
lcuk+1 lol23:18
lbtgtk per se *isn't* bad23:18
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lbtthe wrappings let it down for mw23:18
lbtwhen I converted my gtk app to Qt I almost did a text replace on the functions23:19
lbtthey are eerily similar23:19
lcuki can see how that would be23:19
lbthowever - all the "this hack 'cos this doesn't work" bits23:19
lcukisn't vala geared around giving the c++ style coding but also giving gtk at your fingertips23:19
lbtwere commented out :)23:19
lcukheh, thats not the widget set, thats your mind :P23:20
lbtnah - there were some genuine gtk bugs that I hit too easily23:20
lcukJaffa, am i right about vala being geared towards gtk and gobject in general?23:20
lbtheck - helloworld shouldn't find bugs in a toolkit!23:20
lcukqwerty12_N800, tracy FINALLY has a rebuilt computer btw23:21
qwerty12_N800hehe :)23:21
lcuki ended up physically installing xp on it first then wiping all files and replacing with hers (cos no matter what i couldnt get the mbr/boot sector working)23:22
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lcuklbt, would you consider hacking at the default widgets to give touch fingerability to be easier than making new/subclassing alternatives?23:23
qwerty12_N800was this the computer that wouldn't run much?23:24
lcukits the computer that runs sims perfectly23:24
lcukits the answer to everyones prayers, cos there is not enough windows to be hacked23:24
lbtdepends what you mean23:24
lcukgestures kinetics etc23:25
lcuksize is style based23:25
woglindeqt kinetcs will be part of qt release in 4.6 or so23:25
woglindeanimationframework too23:25
lbtoh - Stskeeps you ought to skim the Qt docs - you'll cream yourself...23:26
lcuksize doesnt really bother me, ill have to look more closely but the thought of just using the default widgets but with a touch basis would be nice23:26
lbtwoglinde: you do Qt don't you...23:26
lcukhowever the default events fire incorrectly for lists etc (ie you get the click instead of it moving the list)23:26
woglindelbt I read the blogs23:26
lbtoh, OK23:26
lbtI was looking for info about Qt 4.4 and extras23:27
woglindelbt hm?23:27
lcuki think its gnutons domain23:27
woglindelcuk jupp23:27
woglindein the diablo extras-devel is qt4.5 now23:27
lbtI've been a bit embarassed - I released shopper to extras only to find the dependencies are in extras-devel23:27
lcuklbt, and i had to enable it to get it on, btw 7mb for the install was reasonable23:28
woglindeand after mysql hitting the repo too you have the qt-sql driver for it too23:28
lbtI really must get back to porting ldap23:28
lcuki always thought a widget toolkit should use libraries where possible, why does qt need complete internal versions thereof23:28
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lbtthey're multi-platform23:29
lcukie webkit sqlite etc23:29
woglindelcuk hm?23:29
lcuklbt, the libraries are as well23:29
lcukie just makes the footprint larger for your apps23:29
lbtnot always23:29
woglindewebkit team is part of formerly know trolltech23:29
woglindelcuk abstraction23:30
lcukwoglinde, ahh23:30
woglindeyou have a well definied way in qt how to access sql stuff23:30
lbtback to the widgets - if you want the behaviour to be different then yes, you need to subclass23:30
woglindeso you can change the backend as you want23:30
lcukwoglinde, surely they can have their own wrappers (like i do)23:30
woglindeI guess23:30
lbtbut I think there's a fair effort to make it touchable23:30
lcuki understand it from one perspective, but from another it doesnt help23:31
lcukie if sqlite needs bugfixes, and i update libsqlite on my machine it should fix all apps using sqlite, but in qt's case it doesnt23:32
lbtare you sure?23:32
lbtwhat OS?23:32
lcukfrom that i gathered i might be wrong on the specific but its what ive heard23:32
* lcuk factchecks23:33
woglindeyou might have to relink other apps too23:33
lbtin general it would use the shared library23:33
lbtit's pretty rare to be statically linked23:33
lcukis it just webkit then that im mixing up?>23:33
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lbtmaybe - that's a bit special23:33
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lbtI could excuse that it needs to be hacked to fit into a completely alien gui framework23:34
woglindelcuk you have to have in mind that there are serval firms which bought a commercial license from qt and dont know much about linux stuff23:34
lcukheh, sounds like a microsoft excuse for internet explorer ;)23:34
woglindefor them they have packed the picture libs and sql inside23:34
lcukwoglinde, im just pondering out loud, as i said i can see both sides23:35
lcuki would just love to have qt baseline - which is the core widgets themselves23:35
lbttimelE61i: oh virtualbox is up and looking pretty ... waiting for the vdk now...23:35
woglindeand I think qt is a great toolkit23:35
lcuki agree woglinde23:36
* lcuk writes some drunken code23:36
lbtlcuk: don't forget you can write Qt apps and have them run native on 'the other thing'23:36
woglindelcuk hm but it is capsulated a lot23:36
woglindeyou dont need a whole .net framework23:36
lcukheh woglinde, i have the same issues with that23:37
woglindeso time for another epsidode of one piece23:37
lcukyeah lbt, thats a REAL benefit of qt, but when you tell businesses it does that, they write a big complex windows app and complain when it doesnt run on something smaller23:38
* lcuk prefers to scale upwards23:38
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dick-richardsoncan someone ls -lha on the symlink in the home directory?23:41
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timelesslbt: so um... are those 10. addresses magical for xen?23:47
timelesswow, i had a 'repair wifi' dialog from wXP which got stuck, and it prevented my laptop from suspending23:48
Stskeepsi kinda think it's sad that Nokia seems to be the only ones who have gotten a internet connection daemon which actually seems fairly sane.. :P23:49
lbttimeless no, my LAN is
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lbtStskeeps: Mer1 is alive - that was actually too easy (once I'd compiled an installed a virtual machine kernel driver for my running kernel without rebooting - god I love linux... no, "please restart now" crap!!)23:51
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Stskeepslbt: neato :)23:53
lbtyeah - now, where's the code!!23:53
lbtunless timeless wants to play with Xen?23:53
Stskeepshehe, all around :P is a start23:53
lbtoh my deity23:53
lbtare you using a build system like, erm...23:54
woglindeyou mean oe23:54
Stskeepsbasically they're debian source packages all of them, and we have an imager of sorts that generate the various OS'es..23:54
Stskeepsso we build them like debian packages should be built, dpkg-buildpackage and upload to a repo ;)23:55
lbtyep - oe is a meta build system23:55
Stskeepsthat approach does have problems but it works23:55
lbtit runs dpkg-build on all the sources...23:56
lbtbut you're not and that's OK23:56
Stskeepswe pin on top of ubuntu so it makes it difficult23:56
lbtyou have seen it though :
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Stskeepsi figured if we were going to use OE or anything we might as well be doing Mamona :P23:57
woglindemaona is based on oe23:58
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lbtI only know it from my openzaurus days23:58

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