| Jaffa | lbt: nah, got my server under the telly | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | lbt, did you see the shellback thing | 00:01 |
| lbt | you're UK though? Check out the Overclocker 24" LCDs | 00:01 |
| lbt | lcuk: I did - rather good idea | 00:01 |
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| * mgedmin has a TV that can do 1920x1080, but it's a crappy monitor | 00:01 | |
| Jaffa | lbt: will do | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | the spaces between white pixels are larger than the pixels themselves | 00:01 |
| lbt | and if you want to see them in the flesh and you're down near Reading... | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | which is not noticeable when you're sitting on the other side of the room, but in that case you cannot read 10pt text in your terminal windows | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | Ebuyer have a 1920x1080 LG TV/monitor which is supposed to be good | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: size? | 00:02 |
| lbt | I thought you were a myth person Jaffa | 00:03 |
| mgedmin | either 30" or 32", whichever's the standard size | 00:03 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Freevo, historically. Now using xbmc as a new fronted | 00:03 |
| mgedmin | it's a samsung (I quite liked my 19" samsung 193p+ LCD monitor) | 00:03 |
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| * b-man notices qole is starting to highjack his ubuntu jaunty thread :P | 00:19 | |
| lcuk | b-man, dont worry, qole does have a lot of experience :) | 00:19 |
| b-man | true :) | 00:19 |
| b-man | i just hope he doesn't totally take over ;) | 00:20 |
| lcuk | not a chance, just bribe him with a bottle of absynthe, that should put him off track for a few days ;) | 00:20 |
| b-man | lol | 00:20 |
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| b-man | i'll be uploading a ton of new packages to the ubuntu-n8x0-repo soon btw | 00:21 |
| lcuk | excellent | 00:22 |
| b-man | i'll also pissibly be adding a package called osso-esd-support so we can have Adobe-flashplayer in both ubuntu and mer.. hopefully | 00:23 |
| lcuk | o_Ohow would you get the binary | 00:24 |
| b-man | i have the packages... and sirce :D | 00:25 |
| b-man | *sorce | 00:25 |
| lcuk | flash source? | 00:25 |
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| b-man | i only have binarys for flash, but sorce for esd | 00:25 |
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| lbt | oh - Qt font scaling kinda works... but I think there's a scaling problem. | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | lol lbt | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | font scaling was my biggest problem | 00:27 |
| lcuk | its still not perfect and ive learnt a lot along the way | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | it was tough making visual basic scale fonts how i wanted it as well | 00:28 |
| * lcuk thinks font designers just get in the way | 00:28 | |
| mgedmin | fonts are hard | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, i made my own font creator a couple of months ago | 00:29 |
| lcuk | before i managed to get scalable fonts | 00:30 |
| lcuk | reading the gpl in my own handwriting was a little odd | 00:30 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png | 00:30 |
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| lbt | heh | 00:31 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081129_121452.gary.scr.png | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | thats always fascinated me | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | ill be going back to that branch one day soon :) | 00:32 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | from gtk i can access the x11 Window handle. does anyone know if there is an inverse, ie access the GTK widget from the x11 handle | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | "Businessman Andrew Cheatle lost his Nokia cell phone during a visit to the local beach. A couple of weeks later he got a call from it. It had been found in the stomach of a Cod fish. A bit worse for wear, and smelly, it still worked." | 01:56 |
| pupnik | talk about an ad campaign opportunity... | 01:56 |
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| fauxmight | Does maemo mapper 'still' use google maps? Did it ever? | 02:18 |
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| Tammy | Hiya | 03:47 |
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| Tammy | I have a question if anyone is willing to indulge my noobness and help me out. I just got a n810 running Maemo and I have shared folders on my home network. Is there an application for Maemo that allows me to browse shared folders on a network and copy files wirelessly to my n810? | 03:49 |
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| luke-jr | Tammy: how are they shared? | 03:50 |
| Tammy | Uh specificly WinXP folder sharing | 03:50 |
| luke-jr | oh | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | windows crap | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | should just show up in the file manager then | 03:51 |
| Tammy | Ahh ok, thanks | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | if it doesn't, be sure you're on the right network ;) | 03:51 |
| Tammy | just wasnt sure where to look | 03:51 |
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| woodong50 | HI | 04:22 |
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| test34_ | hi | 04:30 |
| test34_ | how could I add a web link as a bookmarklet on the n810 browser? | 04:32 |
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| test34_ | nevermind | 04:33 |
| test34_ | i guess you have to "click" and hold the link | 04:34 |
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| * FireFox16 is getting irritated by the lousy bandwith of his connection :P | 04:49 | |
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| jaem | I have an app that I've been wanting to use on Maemo, but I have discovered that packaging DEBs gives me headaches. Would it be appropriate to post a note on the forums asking if anyone feels like packaging it? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, you can talk to jeremiah, our debmaster. ;) | 04:54 |
| jaem | any idea when he'd be around? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually during the day | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | you can email him, too. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or email -developers | 04:55 |
| jaem | what is this "day" you speak of? | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | EU timezone | 04:55 |
| jaem | ah | 04:55 |
| jaem | I must say that I prefer Arch's package building tools... they're much simpler. I tried building Debian packages, but it drove me crazy | 04:55 |
| jaem | Arch on a tablet would actually be quite nice... but I don't have the kind of time or skill needed to do that, even if there was a demand for it | 04:56 |
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| johnx | hello | 07:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx! | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where'd you run off to? :P | 07:31 |
| johnx | been so busy IRL that a pile of stuff ended up on top of my desktop keyboard. | 07:31 |
| johnx | haven't been on it in a week or so now...I've got over a thousand items piled up in my RSS reader :/ | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. ;) | 07:33 |
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| johnx | well, it was mostly. Had a friend visiting from waaaay out of town | 07:34 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: what do you think of moving the N810 internals into a C760 shell and wiring the C760 kb? | 07:39 |
| johnx | I know nothing about the hardware hacking needed for something like that but it sounds like it would be awesome | 07:40 |
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| luke-jr | even awesomer would be if I could fit the N810 in the LCD region and use the C760 as a coprocessor :o | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | dual-core ARM 400 MHz | 07:41 |
| johnx | battery draw would be a bit much I think ;) | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | :o | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | make it hot-pluggable then | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | only when crap like Maemo Mapper is running | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | (or am I the only one who's N810 is slow as molasses with it?) | 07:42 |
| johnx | find the version of maemo mapper that saves to image tiles | 07:43 |
| johnx | it's a bit older but should work just fine for most things | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | O.o? | 07:43 |
| johnx | it's mentioned on ITT | 07:44 |
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| luke-jr | ITT? O. | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | O.o* | 07:44 |
| johnx | internettablettalk.com/forums | 07:45 |
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| luke-jr | o that | 07:45 |
| johnx | anyways, so do you have much experience with modding/wiring/soldering stuff like the N810/Zaurus? | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:48 |
| johnx | ah, then my thoughts on n8x0 hardware in a clamshell zaurus is "nice but we'll never see it" | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, johnx, alpha's out. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Found a new model number: RX-71 | 07:50 |
| johnx | yup | 07:50 |
| johnx | read that thread | 07:50 |
| johnx | been off the desktop but doing some surfing on the n800 :) | 07:50 |
| johnx | just didn't have the spare energy to actually engage in communications with other people ;) | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | WL1271 seems to be a/the new WiFi chip. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So Bluetooth, WiFi, and FM all in one chip. | 07:50 |
| johnx | hot sauce | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nominations for Council are open, too. | 07:51 |
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| neatojones | johnx | 08:21 |
| johnx | neatojones | 08:21 |
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| neatojones | I'm trying to build something on #merbuilder | 08:21 |
| neatojones | and what I send keeps disappearing. | 08:22 |
| neatojones | any idea why? | 08:22 |
| johnx | it sometimes doesn't let you send exactly the same thing twice | 08:22 |
| neatojones | Hmm. It was similar | 08:22 |
| johnx | try tacking something on to the end | 08:22 |
| neatojones | like what? | 08:22 |
| johnx | like: build mypackage (anything you want) | 08:22 |
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| neatojones | ok | 08:23 |
| neatojones | thanks | 08:23 |
| johnx | and/or 'delete' your old build request (but it looks like you already did that?) | 08:23 |
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| neatojones | yeah | 08:24 |
| neatojones | I finally figured out what I was doing wrong...:D | 08:24 |
| neatojones | Sorry, I made the board messy | 08:24 |
| neatojones | I was using an _armel.changes instead of _source.changes file | 08:25 |
| johnx | ahaha...no worries (especially if the builder is otherwise idle) | 08:25 |
| johnx | you should see some of the rebuilds I did in the past... | 08:25 |
| neatojones | it's gotta build this package so I can go on to make the rest. | 08:25 |
| neatojones | I appreciate everyone's help. I'm new to using these things. | 08:26 |
| neatojones | I also realized that if I'm making _source.changes files, I don't have to use my n810 to make the debs...which is 3000000000000000000000x faster | 08:26 |
| AStorm | you forgot a few zeros | 08:27 |
| AStorm | btw, hi | 08:27 |
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| neatojones | possible. | 08:28 |
| neatojones | Hmm. It says it's missing the docs. Can I make it install doxygen? | 08:28 |
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| johnx | neatojones, you mean as a build depend? | 08:33 |
| neatojones | I guess, I can add that in as a build depend. | 08:34 |
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| neatojones | just add to the control file... | 08:35 |
| neatojones | I'll give that a shot and try again. | 08:35 |
| neatojones | what happens to the bad packages I've uploaded? (I guess this means I have to change the version number) | 08:35 |
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| johnx | yeah, you need to bump the version every time you use merbuilder | 08:37 |
| neatojones | muh...thanks | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | and good to see you're alive, johnx | 08:39 |
| johnx | yeah, just drained, but I figured I should dispel rumors of my demise :) | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, johnx, I forgot to tell you. We figured you were dead, so we gave all of your stuff to qwerty12. :P | 08:41 |
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| johnx | heh. that would be awesome. it would mean he can worry about getting it out of my apartment instead of me :) | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moving across the Pacific sounds horrifying, personally. | 08:43 |
| johnx | difficult: moving across the Pacific. challenge: do it without any type of automobile. | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? Seems like not having a car could make it less of a hassle. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: teleportation | 08:45 |
| johnx | yeah, it'll be awesome selling my bookshelves on craigslist/local equivalents and *carrying them on the train* to their new homes | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 08:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles was picturing a moving truck or something and not having to unload a car. | 08:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/unload/sell/ | 08:46 |
| johnx | the problem is that moving most of this stuff would cost more than replacing it, even if I can't sell it for much | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 08:46 |
| * neatojones crosses his fingers and wait to see if his package will actually build. | 08:48 | |
| johnx | neatojones, you don't have a scratchbox/merSDK install locally? | 08:48 |
| neatojones | No. I just got a computer with linux installed. My old one died. | 08:49 |
| neatojones | It's a pile too, but I've not had a chance yet. | 08:49 |
| * Stskeeps just uses a x86 chroot | 08:49 | |
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| * johnx dredges through his stuff looking for important paperwork | 08:50 | |
| neatojones | I used linux for years, but I got married about a half year ago and she made me get rid of my linux desktop before. "it's ugly." | 08:51 |
| * johnx 's wife is amused by his random hacking :) | 08:51 | |
| neatojones | woohoo a toaster! | 08:52 |
| trbs | neatojones, your wife forces you to use mac's ? wow :) | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: once in an argument the phrase "your stupid old computers" came up | 08:52 |
| neatojones | she'd like too | 08:52 |
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| neatojones | I tend to like saving the old dying things. She wants a pretty new mac. | 08:54 |
| neatojones | she also likes Vaio's | 08:54 |
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| neatojones | women... | 08:54 |
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| neatojones | anyone else out there that has a wife/s.o. that hates their tablet? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: i gave her a 770 :P | 08:55 |
| johnx | my other half doesn't care what kind of ancient equipment I use as long as she gets nice shiny new stuff :) | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, bribe equipment. | 08:55 |
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| johnx | heh. her laptop is easily twice as fast as my desktop... | 08:56 |
| neatojones | Hmm. I'll look into that. | 08:56 |
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| neatojones | It drives me crazy | 08:56 |
| neatojones | she just wants it to be "cute". | 08:56 |
| neatojones | I'm like, "ITS A RIP OFF!" | 08:56 |
| neatojones | ...but it's cute. | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | hello kitty rx-51 might do that | 08:57 |
| neatojones | lol | 08:58 |
| neatojones | women...can't live with 'em and (in most places) it's illegal to shoot 'em. :P | 08:59 |
| AStorm | use some spray paint on it | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | neatojones: instantly googleable | 09:02 |
| * neatojones goes on the hunt for an ip changer. | 09:03 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | or just register for a nick here | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:06 |
| definitely-not-n | :) | 09:07 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 09:17 |
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| johnx | m00f RST38h | 09:19 |
| pupnik | everybody has to hear my new speakers | 09:20 |
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| pupnik | well, those who like hifi | 09:20 |
| pupnik | maybe i need to make a showing room | 09:20 |
| pupnik | advertise, become a dealer | 09:21 |
| johnx | just record some sound out of them and I'll play the file here. :) | 09:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles sends his speakers to fight pupnik's. | 09:22 | |
| * johnx has the $5 special from the local used computer place | 09:23 | |
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| * ljp has new Bose desktop speakers that sound kick a** | 09:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . Bose. | 09:31 |
| ljp | indeed | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello, paper cones and shit electronics. | 09:33 |
| Proteous | bose, the monstercable of speakers | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except worse. | 09:33 |
| Proteous | don't knock paper cones | 09:33 |
| ljp | no, they are not hype | 09:33 |
| Proteous | some of my best speaker friends are paper cones | 09:33 |
| Proteous | bose?' | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Monster Cable gouges people for OK stuff. | 09:33 |
| Proteous | sorry, but yeah | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bose gouges people for shit. | 09:33 |
| ljp | i wouldnt say that at all. | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then, sorry, you wouldn't know what you're talking about. ;) | 09:34 |
| ljp | I did sound for a band once that had Bose speakers and they sounded excellent | 09:34 |
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| Proteous | I have the same problem with bose that I do with monstercable, their marketing is a bunch of lies and they charge way too much for what you get | 09:35 |
| Proteous | I used to do stereo repair | 09:36 |
| Proteous | bose equipment quality is okay | 09:36 |
| Proteous | way better then most | 09:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a fan of Axiom. | 09:36 | |
| Proteous | but some of the shit they sell, telling you you can get great sound reproduction range out of 4 2.5inch teeters and a sub | 09:36 |
| Proteous | and their whole "wave guide" shit | 09:37 |
| Proteous | it's a frickin 3in speaker with some plastic baffle | 09:38 |
| ljp | for 2.5 inch tweaks it does | 09:39 |
| Proteous | :P | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun covering the ports on the subwoofers in the surround sound demo setups at electronics stores with their pamphlets and comparing the sound. | 09:39 |
| Proteous | Well, yeah, I guess you can do some electronic distortion tricks to make my ear think it's hearing all that nice crisp midrange, but how about I just get some less exspensive nice speakers with a decent sized cone? maybe? | 09:40 |
| Proteous | if I lived in a 3'x3' cardboard box and didn't have room then, well, then I couldn't afford bose stuff | 09:41 |
| johnx | ah, man. one day I hope to get a nice big 3x3 cardboard box to move into | 09:42 |
| Proteous | lol | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you could even burn it for heat. | 09:42 |
| johnx | this 1x2 is getting small...especially with the massively big n800 in here too | 09:42 |
| Proteous | although the paradox is, it gets colder the more you burn it... | 09:42 |
| Proteous | http://tech2.nytimes.com/mem/technology/techreview.html?res=9C04E0DA1130F930A35755C0A96F958260 | 09:43 |
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| johnx | neat login screen :) | 09:43 |
| Proteous | heh, when it's linked from google you get to see it | 09:44 |
| Proteous | interesting | 09:44 |
| Proteous | sound just like expertexchange | 09:44 |
| Proteous | oh well | 09:44 |
| Proteous | I'll paste in some gems: The vibrations of the cone vibrate the air in the baffle, too. ''It matches the motion of the air with the motion of the speaker,'' Mr. Short said. | 09:45 |
| Proteous | explaining the wave guide tech | 09:45 |
| Proteous | THE SPEAKER IS SPECIALY DESIGNED TO MAKE AIR MOVE BY MOVING THE SPEAKER CONE!!!! | 09:46 |
| Proteous | OMFG | 09:46 |
| Proteous | BRILLIANT!!!! | 09:46 |
| Proteous | wait, wait, isn't that how all speakers work? | 09:46 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:47 |
| Macer | Proteous: haha | 09:48 |
| Macer | isn't that how all sound works? | 09:48 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:48 |
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| Macer | just moves air? | 09:48 |
| Macer | that's why you have to love it when space movies have these laser noises and shit | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bose probably has a patent. | 09:48 |
| Proteous | yeah | 09:48 |
| Proteous | in space, no one can hear your phasers/photon torpedos | 09:49 |
| Macer | and you have to love the laser that shoots as though it's going about as fast as a submarine torpedo | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, problem is, the alternative is heavy breathing like 2001. :P | 09:49 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: heh... where is our manned flight to jupiter? | 09:49 |
| Proteous | for some reason I don't think evasive manuvers are going to help with a computer aimed laser weapon | 09:49 |
| Macer | i think the previous generation was way too ambitious | 09:49 |
| Macer | Proteous: me neither | 09:50 |
| Macer | don't lasers move the speed of light? :) | 09:50 |
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| Proteous | heh | 09:50 |
| mgedmin | the lasers themselves don't ;) | 09:50 |
| Macer | i suppose if you were like..... 3 au away you might be able to dodge it | 09:50 |
| mgedmin | just the beam | 09:50 |
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| ljp | ahhh. but light is bendable | 09:50 |
| Macer | but they are fighting right next to each other | 09:50 |
| mgedmin | still, you'd have to have FTL to see what you're dodging | 09:50 |
| johnx | *if* for some reason there was ever armed combat between human manned vessels in deep space it would be just about the most boring thing ever to watch | 09:50 |
| Macer | ljp: heh... sure if you have a flying planet | 09:50 |
| Macer | then again i guess everything is "flying" in space | 09:50 |
| Macer | johnx: yeah. no dramatic music | 09:51 |
| Macer | it would be just as boring as naval fights | 09:51 |
| Proteous | that's why you have to beam down to the planet and fight a vulcan | 09:52 |
| johnx | Macer, except all of it would be beyond visible range and would involve at most one exchange. also: it would probably take years | 09:52 |
| Macer | telescopes can see pretty far .. but then again i do suppose there would be a time delay in the light received | 09:53 |
| Macer | or any other types of viewable spectrum | 09:53 |
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| johnx | s/visible/naked eye visible/ | 09:53 |
| infobot | johnx meant: Macer, except all of it would be beyond naked eye visible range and would involve at most one exchange. also: it would probably take years | 09:53 |
| Macer | johnx: like naval fights ;) | 09:53 |
| Proteous | if we never figure out faster then light travel then all of this is for nothing | 09:53 |
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| johnx | Proteous, if that happens a lot is going to "for nothing" :) | 09:54 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:54 |
| Proteous | true | 09:54 |
| definitely-not-n | ...theory of relativity | 09:54 |
| Macer | Proteous: you figure that an object in motion will stay in motion | 09:54 |
| Macer | so all you really need to do is just accelerate | 09:54 |
| Proteous | Macer, if only it was that easy | 09:54 |
| Macer | until you reach the speed of light :) | 09:54 |
| Proteous | never will | 09:54 |
| definitely-not-n | You can't technically | 09:54 |
| definitely-not-n | time changes the faster you travel | 09:55 |
| definitely-not-n | and things even change size | 09:55 |
| Macer | time slows | 09:55 |
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| Macer | actually though... i thought the gravitational force would be caused by the actual acceleration | 09:55 |
| Macer | so what happens if you stop acclerating? does that mean time returns to normal? | 09:56 |
| Macer | yet you continue to travel at the speed of light? | 09:56 |
| Macer | until you accidently smash into a micro black hole | 09:56 |
| Proteous | if you travel at the speed of light time stops | 09:56 |
| Proteous | for you anyway | 09:56 |
| Proteous | you could arive at any point in the universe in the same amount of time | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, or a speck of sand. ;) | 09:57 |
| Macer | but time would continue at a "normal" rate if you are the one traveling at the speed of light | 09:57 |
| Macer | so is aging simply the process of life traveling through time? | 09:58 |
| Macer | hard coded into dna or something? :) | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mass Effect actually had some interesting ideas about space combat. | 09:58 |
| Proteous | aging requires chemical reactions to happen | 09:58 |
| Proteous | which requires time | 09:59 |
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| Proteous | so does thinking | 09:59 |
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| Macer | it's all theory :) | 09:59 |
| mgedmin | gravity is a theory | 10:00 |
| Macer | and which chemical determines the speed at which you are traveling through time? | 10:00 |
| ljp | gravity is magic | 10:00 |
| Proteous | well, our perception of time is interesting to think of | 10:00 |
| Corsac | gravity kills | 10:00 |
| mgedmin | I don't think you can change the 60 seconds per minute time travel speed by munching chemicals | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all magic. | 10:01 |
| mgedmin | well, maybe the apparent speed... | 10:01 |
| Proteous | if you are unconscience it goes by really fast... | 10:01 |
| Proteous | er, unconscious | 10:01 |
| Proteous | damn three vowel words | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aw, Modest was a mistake. :( | 10:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants yerga's screenshots. | 10:02 | |
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| Proteous | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726391.500-is-time-an-illusion.html?full=true | 10:02 |
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| GAN800 | Super Mario War really needs a different jump button. | 10:06 |
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| pupnik | 09:05 < pupnik> you know who is in power during iraq and afghanistan invasions? | 10:08 |
| pupnik | 09:05 < pupnik> it is the 60s generation! | 10:08 |
| pupnik | 09:05 < pupnik> WHAT THE FUCK | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: not entirely sure what random politics is doing in here, heh | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | bbl bus | 10:09 |
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| Macer | pupnik: hahahaha! | 10:11 |
| Macer | even Jesus hated hypocrites :) | 10:11 |
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| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> if you think you can free the fuckin world in your pathetic | 10:14 |
| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> PATHETIC | 10:14 |
| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> tiny | 10:14 |
| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> handful of years | 10:14 |
| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> before you DIE | 10:14 |
| pupnik | 09:12 < pupnik> you are wrong | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously the only viable solution is to kill yourself. :P | 10:14 |
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| johnx | or live forever | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or kill yourself and live forever. | 10:15 |
| johnx | i don't buy that one. maybe after someone does a hands-on or a review of 'life after death' but until then it's vaporware as far as I'm concerned | 10:17 |
| ljp | or kill forever and live yourself | 10:17 |
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| StsN800 | strange, it actually feels like spring today | 10:20 |
| johnx | it snowed yesterday | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spring? | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's that? :P | 10:21 |
| StsN800 | warmer temperatures, no snow, sun | 10:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, pollen season | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 10:22 |
| StsN800 | yeah, i am already on a solid diet of antihistamines.. | 10:22 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx, long time no see | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | Morning Jaffa. | 10:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, been so busy in real life a heap of stuff piled up on my keyboard O_o | 10:49 |
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| neatojones | johnx: If I had a package the wouldn't build in SDK, but then built in native..do I need to do anything to it? | 10:55 |
| johnx | well, what does build log look like? | 10:57 |
| johnx | there's a million ways it can go wrong :) | 10:57 |
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| neatojones | johnx: not very specific. Said: dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. | 11:04 |
| neatojones | make: *** [clean] Error 1 | 11:04 |
| johnx | in debian/compat change 7 to 5 | 11:05 |
| neatojones | okay. Should I rebuild it despite the normal native build? | 11:05 |
| neatojones | I can without problem. Just seeing what I'm supposed to be doing. | 11:05 |
| neatojones | :D | 11:06 |
| johnx | only if you really want to test. :) | 11:06 |
| timelE61i | tHere's a way to change your build so it uses the env deb stuff | 11:06 |
| timelE61i | Instead of sbox | 11:06 |
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| timelE61i | But it's better not to rely on 7 features :) | 11:06 |
| neatojones | it is 6 | 11:07 |
| neatojones | changed to 5... | 11:07 |
| neatojones | will rebuild...heck, why not? | 11:07 |
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| timelE61i | since you're giving out dpkg help | 11:08 |
| timelE61i | Do preinst and postrm get something that dynamically list the files to be installed/removed? | 11:09 |
| johnx | timelE61i, I really couldn't tell you O_o | 11:10 |
| * neatojones lets scratchbox continue to install on his desktop while he sleeps. | 11:11 | |
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| RST38h | Hehehe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090303/bs_bw/feb2009tc20090228990934 | 11:11 |
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| johnx | RST38h, on /. it ran under the title 'smart immigrants are heading home' | 11:12 |
| johnx | great implications :) | 11:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: yes, that is how it got into my rss reader | 11:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: I kinda suspect he is overblowing it though | 11:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder when Ars's alpha article will come. | 11:14 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ask Ryan ;) | 11:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, he hang out in here? ;) | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Dunno, but he's not a scary person or anything like that ;) You _can_ just ask him. | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but I'm incredibly lazy and it'd be easier to just wait it out than hunt down an email address or something. :P | 11:32 |
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| timelE61i | hEh | 11:36 |
| fish_ | hi | 11:37 |
| glass | 'ey | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, got any fun new blogs coming down the pipe? | 11:39 |
| timelE61i | hRm... | 11:39 |
| timelE61i | I have unpublished ones looking for an editor | 11:40 |
| timelE61i | W/ an editor they could be published | 11:40 |
| timelE61i | Grab the feed and add 1 to the latest | 11:40 |
| timelE61i | Send me an email w/ notes and they can get out the door sooner | 11:40 |
| timelE61i | There wouldn't be anything maemo5 in there and i really don't plan to blog about linguistic gaffs | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | Except eventually to announce my localization | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | - once someone helps me resolve unintstall | 11:42 |
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| * timelE61i ponders kindergarTen | 11:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The city put some sort of traffic monitor in the road outside my window | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | now it sounds like a car crash whenever a truck goes by. | 11:51 |
| timelE61i | heh | 11:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Crashes aren't uncommon in the extremely dangerous intersection out there, so it keeps hitting my adrenaline. . . . | 11:53 |
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| johnx | traffic monitor that sounds like a car crash? | 11:54 |
| johnx | I think I'm missing something... | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I dunno, I haven't actually seen the damn thing yet. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's putting me on edge. | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Some kind of doppler ranging device? | 11:55 |
| johnx | it's probably just repeated traffic accidents | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 11:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It sounds like one of these for cars heading north: http://www.ci.knoxville.tn.us/images/engineering/traff_counter.jpg but one of these for cars heading south: http://blarg.hexplosion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/800px-japanese_car_accident.jpg | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | lol | 11:58 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm interesting concept: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups#Package_Details | 12:17 |
| qgil_afk | hi, anybody here having slow responsiveness in the SDK due to graphics "acceleration"? | 12:17 |
| qgil_afk | or different color schemes | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: I think lcuk has. | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting indeed | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some sort of application karma thing, I guess? | 12:18 |
| qgil_afk | X-Fade: indeed cool concept | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to find out if they are using it to define "Quality". | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | And if we can do automatic promotion based on karma given by users. | 12:18 |
| qgil_afk | lcuk: do you mind filing a bug (if nobody else has done before) so we can point other developers with the same/similar issues there and try to find what is going on? | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | If 5 people say: WORKSFORME, it probably would be good enough to promote.. | 12:19 |
| qgil_afk | (i'll post this in the ITt thread alpha sdik to be sure | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: Yerga talked about it too, I think. | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | thp talked about color inversion (gpodder) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268650&postcount=48 | 12:21 |
| * timelE61i chuckles | 12:21 | |
| timelE61i | color inversion was real last i looked :) | 12:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, corrections away. | 12:26 |
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| sans | can any body help me with this error "aclocal: configure.ac: 17: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library" | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | missing development tools? | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | do you have (the right version of) libtool installed? | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | unfortunately, I cannot tell offhand what's the right version | 12:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think our goal should be to have as many devices as possible running Maemo/Mer at the next Summit. ;) | 12:35 |
| * johnx should get back to work :) | 12:36 | |
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| Jaffa | Have we got a wiki page yet with declared candidates for the next election? | 12:39 |
| sans | thanks a lot - checking | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, not yet. | 12:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, working on it now. | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool. | 12:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, gotta kill the hard-wrapping from these emails | 12:44 |
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| sans | where do i get to install libtool :) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | In Hell. | 12:46 |
| RST38h | =) | 12:46 |
| mgedmin | fakeroot apt-get install, if we're talking about the sdk | 12:47 |
| * timelE61i pokes the mail app | 12:47 | |
| mgedmin | ... but shouldn't it be preinstalled? | 12:47 |
| timelE61i | gan: thx | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, sure thing. | 12:48 |
| RST38h | libtool probably shouldn't | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly, by running again I'm giving timsamoff another shot at the long walks on the beach line. . . . | 12:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2009 | 12:51 |
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| RST38h | The council consists of 5 people, right? | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...lardman isn't running | 12:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hot Topics updated, too. | 12:55 |
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| RST38h | [state-of-factly] Proposed Appmanager grid view still sucks. | 13:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, feel free to propose something better | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are two other options on that page | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | My goal with that document was to avoid anything to radical to make it easy for Nokia to swallow. | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | qgil_afk, sure, when i get home from work later ill create a bugzilla account on maemo with the same credentials as my maemo account and file a bug about it. | 13:10 |
| lcuk | but be warned: once i start being able to make bugs the floodgates may open :P | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "on maemo"? :P | 13:11 |
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| lcuk | yeah gen, i never did get round to creating a bugzilla account | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you're going to create it on your device, then? :P | 13:12 |
| andre__ | yay, flood me | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It'd be better all integrated into one categorised hierarchy (necessary to support subcategories). But, that needs to be coded. | 13:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did anybody poke at the Application Manager in the alpha? | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | How does it look? | 13:14 |
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| StsN800 | not yet personally.. hoping to prod jaffa to patch the mer one | 13:17 |
| qgil_afk | lcuk: and once you have a bugzilla account you could also let people file bugs against your beloved liqbase | 13:19 |
| qgil_afk | lcuk: sorry, I meant enhancement requests because I'm sure your software is unable to contain bugs :P | 13:20 |
| StsN800 | timelE61i, inversed colors.. does fremantle target 32 bit ? cos it sounds a bit like an artefact of running xephyr with 16 bpp | 13:20 |
| qgil_afk | GeneralAntilles: what document for Nokia to swallow? | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager | 13:21 |
| qgil_afk | 5 candidates only? I s the deadline closed? | 13:21 |
| lcuk | qgil_afk, you are right qgil, they are limitations outside my control which require hardware upgrades to cure :D | 13:22 |
| qgil_afk | GeneralAntilles: "Until we get more specifics on the new UI for Fremantle, let's set out some general features we'd like to see implemented. " have you got a look to the AM in the alpha sdk? | 13:22 |
| Myrtti | qgil_afk: do you think it would be possible to get Mediawiki Subpages enabled on the normal article namespace in the wiki? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages | 13:23 |
| qgil_afk | actually there are not many changes as for yet | 13:23 |
| qgil_afk | Myrtti: do you ask *me*? | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil_afk, nominations close on the 11th. | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | qgil_afk: just wondering... | 13:23 |
| qgil_afk | no idea Myrtti, sorry | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | atleast you in theory know better than me who to poke about it now that Jarmo is on holiday ;-) | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Subpages? Do you think it is a good idea? | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil_afk, I don't have any hardware to run the SDK on. | 13:24 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I assumed we already had them when I looked the first time | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | let me take a second look. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: I can install it of course, but only if people think it is a good idea ;) | 13:24 |
| qgil_afk | the wiki.maemo.org admins are here now, chatting | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: or alternatively, get a new namespace for the training material and reference manual | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: and enable subpages for them | 13:24 |
| qgil_afk | lardman: are you going for reelection? | 13:25 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: with subpages we'd get the breadcrumbs with http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_training_material/Getting_Started/Testing_the_installation etc. | 13:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, don't we already have this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.10 | 13:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles is missing something. | 13:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, OK | 13:26 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: those aren't subpages | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I seeeee it noooow. | 13:26 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: let me give an example | 13:26 |
| igagis | hi | 13:26 |
| lardman | qgil_afk: not sure, I don't feel I've really had enough time to do stuff that the other guys have been doing - website stuff, infrastructure, etc., so I'm not sure I've really contributed much | 13:26 |
| * igagis have uploaded maemo theremin video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJq6jjFK1Z4 | 13:26 | |
| lardman | lack of time being my own fault, due to being busy | 13:27 |
| qgil_afk | if I wouldn't work at Nokia I would have sent one of those flattering emails people is sending about nominations these days | 13:27 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: a book. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Formal_Logic | 13:27 |
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| lardman | qgil_afk: lol | 13:27 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: a chapter http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Formal_Logic/Sentential_Logic | 13:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, yeah, this looks like a good thing. | 13:27 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: subchapter http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Formal_Logic/Sentential_Logic/Goals | 13:28 |
| lcuk | qgil_afk, technically wasnt there someone saying nokians *can* put themselves up for election as long as they make it clear | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doooo it, lardman. | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's why there are 5 of us. ;) | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yes, Nokians can run. | 13:29 |
| qgil_afk | lcuk: I'm not talking about nokians presenting themselves but about nokians saying publicly who could be a good candidate | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I think it might come across as Nokia endorsing a particular candidate. | 13:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | People have a hard time separating Nokia from the Nokians. | 13:30 |
| qgil_afk | here I can confess that it's just that I like lardman's accent and sense of humor | 13:30 |
| qgil_afk | but in the mailing list... ;) | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles, Myrtti: Shall i just enable it for the main namespace? | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I can't see why not. | 13:31 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: would be lovely since everyone seems to be using it already :-) | 13:31 |
| lardman | I've not been very active on the ml recently, not getting and karma for it so why bother ;D | 13:31 |
| lardman | though I do need to send an email to get some GStreamer gurus' opinions | 13:32 |
| guysoft42 | hey, i have a bootmenu on my device. and an external minimmc card. is there a way i can flash Mer right on to the card and boot from it? can i just dd this the jjfs image? | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Ok, check if it makes a difference now ;) | 13:32 |
| StsN800 | i nominate infobot for council | 13:32 |
| lcuk | maemo council perks: bacon sandwiches for all nominees | 13:32 |
| lardman | I'm in! | 13:33 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: ♥ | 13:33 |
| StsN800 | GuySoft, use installer | 13:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:33 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, would it not kill the current OS i have? i have on on the internal flash.. | 13:34 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: when is the last time I've announced my eternal undying love for you? :-D | 13:34 |
| johnx | infobot, run for council | 13:34 |
| StsN800 | guysoft42, depends if you mean internal mmc or flash | 13:34 |
| lardman | Is irc karma implemented yet? I suppose infobot would score reasonably there :) | 13:34 |
| lardman | might make it over the threshold | 13:35 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, i mean immc is taken, i want to dump it to the mmc | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | Rules don't say anything about bots. | 13:35 |
| lcuk | i think the council principle works best when it has members from all areas. | 13:35 |
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| qgil_afk | there is always a need for someone insisting on the key aspects, why not a bot | 13:36 |
| StsN800 | guysoft; using bootmenu with .items? | 13:36 |
| * lcuk wouldnt like to have a council with no1 from the engineering department | 13:36 | |
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| concorr | hi | 13:36 |
| lardman | yeah, but I feel bad that I'm not really directly involved in many things, and therefore I'm not sure I could sell myself to the electorate - "I do stuff, but you never see the emails I send", etc. | 13:36 |
| StsN800 | guysoft42, and dump tar.gz is better | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | "hi, am in the engine room, kthx, bye! | 13:37 |
| * lardman looks for the info about when the nominations close | 13:37 | |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, i have the bootmenu from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 13:37 |
| concorr | a im trying setting up bluetooth from console... | 13:37 |
| lardman | end of Mar 11th | 13:37 |
| concorr | hciconfig say no devices | 13:38 |
| * Myrtti dances a little jig ♥ | 13:38 | |
| * lcuk confescates Myrtti's ♥ | 13:38 | |
| concorr | whats the kernel driver name for n800 bluetooth device? | 13:38 |
| RST38h | lardman: You are nominating yourself right? | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil_afk, I have a feeling he'd be too easy to corrupt. | 13:38 |
| * Myrtti gives lcuk ☕ | 13:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, Nokia? | 13:38 |
| infobot | i guess nokia is a cellphone company from FINLAND | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | oooh a box | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: it's a coffee cup. | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~no Nokia is Evil! Burn! Burn! Burn! | 13:39 |
| Myrtti | ☺ | 13:39 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot, Nokia? | 13:39 |
| infobot | methinks nokia is Evil! Burn! Burn! Burn! | 13:39 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, I'll send an email to the list eventually | 13:39 |
| lcuk | your cups are a bit square :P | 13:39 |
| johnx | infobot, I vote for you | 13:39 |
| infobot | You vote for you? | 13:39 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: your UTF8 is b0rked | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~no Nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. | 13:39 |
| infobot | okay, GeneralAntilles | 13:39 |
| Myrtti | ;______; | 13:39 |
| * Myrtti wants Nokia slippers | 13:39 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, blame windows xp \@/ | 13:39 |
| lcuk | rubber soles? | 13:40 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Two N810 sleeves will do the job | 13:40 |
| concorr | anyone can helpme? | 13:40 |
| RST38h | concorr: It depends on the nature of help you require | 13:40 |
| lcuk | concorr, i only use the GUI for anything on device | 13:40 |
| concorr | setting up bluetooth device | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, really, though, with 6 candidates, how can you lose? :P | 13:41 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: yeah | 13:41 |
| concorr | i boot n800 with my custom arm linux | 13:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you sound like the doctor from star trek voyager | 13:41 |
| StsN800 | concorr, ah, welcome to hell | 13:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i dunno, that infobot is lookin good | 13:42 |
| concorr | hehe | 13:42 |
| concorr | i have all bluetooth modules started ok | 13:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: that is how I always sound if I haven't yet decided on what to do to the patient | 13:42 |
| lcuk | concorr, im sorry then, if you are off the beaten track then you must take your own machete with you and create your path | 13:42 |
| lcuk | we can supply you with a wiki to write your experiences though | 13:42 |
| StsN800 | concorr, and firmware? | 13:42 |
| StsN800 | and bt-cal? | 13:42 |
| concorr | i have the nokia firmwares in my /lib/firmware | 13:43 |
| StsN800 | i nominate frank.wagner for maemo council;p | 13:43 |
| concorr | bt-cal? | 13:43 |
| Myrtti | lcuk, RST38h: http://www.taloussanomat.fi/img.php?f=elake.jpg&w=800 | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | back to work anyway :) catch you lot later | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | frank.wagner, Darius, David (freejazz28), Karel, Mark for Council! | 13:46 |
| StsN800 | concorr, why do you want custom arm linux btw ? | 13:46 |
| StsN800 | GeneralAntilles, sortof serious, qole? | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN800, he's managed to keep just this side of true trolldom. ;) | 13:46 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like I'll have to write an app in VB, *shiver* | 13:47 |
| concorr | StsN800: i port crux linux to arm | 13:47 |
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| concorr | StsN800: i have more system control and speed | 13:48 |
| StsN800 | concorr, usual hints: linuxrc, deblet packages | 13:48 |
| * Myrtti is partly happy, partly sad her karma isnt' enough to be eligble | 13:48 | |
| lardman | If anyone's interested, f2c and fort77 work fine (to compile Octave) | 13:48 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Are these made of netbook sleeves? =) | 13:48 |
| StsN800 | things to make your life way easier | 13:49 |
| RST38h | lardman: Just came from lunch, why are you doing this to me? =) | 13:49 |
| concorr | StsN800: i only need start ok all driver, another things are ok | 13:49 |
| lardman | RST38h: FORTRAN? | 13:50 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: those slippers were originally made by Nokian jalkineet, previously known as a part of a wellknown Finnish cable and rubberboot factory... | 13:50 |
| lardman | RST38h: I lack slice though, so the debian package won't build (and I can't be arsed to jump through the loops to make slice work) | 13:50 |
| lardman | s/loops/hoops | 13:50 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: ! | 13:51 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia#Pre-telecommunications_era :-P | 13:52 |
| RST38h | infobot, fortran | 13:52 |
| infobot | [fortran] This is a high-level programming language, a bit more advanced than BASIC, but not quite as complex as C. This language refuses to die because it is so huge in the scientific research community. It's not a tough language to learn and it's fairly powerful. About 60% of scientific programming is done in Fortran. | 13:52 |
| roope | Frank Wagner in the council would be poetry. | 13:52 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: I especially like the crazy fish logo | 13:53 |
| RST38h | lardman: it's probably not worth the effort, because Octabe should be pretty slow on NITs | 13:53 |
| RST38h | Who the hell is Frank Wagner? | 13:54 |
| lardman | RST38h: yes, it is pretty slow, but still useable | 13:54 |
| RST38h | iTT indicates he is some generic kind of troll | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I dunno, but he really likes hyphens. | 13:55 |
| roope | he asks questions. why is n900 late. watch out for the competition! first to the market - first to win. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | roope: that classifies him as a generic troll. | 13:56 |
| roope | (no, n900 is not a real name, I was just quoting the name of the thread that he wrote). | 13:56 |
| StsN800 | hyphen troll | 13:57 |
| RST38h | Now, if he were suggesting that Nokia hires him as the head of Maemo PR campaign or something similar, that would make him a geniune wacko | 13:57 |
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| Veggen | I'd say: bring on the competition. Competition on merits only makes things better. | 13:58 |
| StsN800 | darius did that? | 13:58 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, seems to not work with he ext3 boot.. it failes | 14:03 |
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| StsN800 | guysoft42, yes, you need bootmenu svn and a proper item | 14:10 |
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| timelE61i | so this is what i miss by not reading itt? | 14:33 |
| * timelE61i wonders why laptop was off today | 14:33 | |
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| timelE61i | gan: fwiw, i discovered what a menu item + dialog pair do in modest-diablo | 14:34 |
| * timelE61i was unpleasantly surprised | 14:34 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, there's more productive stuff too. | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like complaining that Nokia sucks. :P | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or complaining that Maemo is dying. | 14:36 |
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| AndrewFBlack | what Marmo is dying I heard it from GeneralAntilles I can't wait to go tell everyone :) | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Netcraft confirms it. | 14:39 |
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| mgedmin | each year there are fewer and fewer web servers running on maemo? | 14:40 |
| * AndrewFBlack runs to itt to post it | 14:40 | |
| roope | "Ma first emo machine" | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | AndrewFBlack, while you're at it, you could try start a rumour that symbian will replace the dying maemo | 14:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | No way next tablet is running Windows Mobile 7 | 14:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | that thread would last forever | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | bonus points for linking to article about nokia getting money to develop symbian further, and theinqurer speculating nokia is going to do laptops with symbian, then you just need to find some article questioning maemo's future and you're all set | 14:41 |
| roope | That would be the worst marketing campaign ever. Ma' Emo Tions | 14:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | if I really wanted to stir up trouble I could make a fake blog and link to it most people wouldn't even ready the address but if it looked like nokia blog they would beleave it | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | You know, the best evidence that maemo would be dying, is that gartner says maemo isn't dying | 14:43 |
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| timelE61i | heh | 14:44 |
| timelE61i | hey, could i borrow someone's mailbox? :) | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | eh? :-) | 14:45 |
| woglinde | nope | 14:45 |
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| lardman | urgh, vb it is.... | 14:46 |
| woglinde | hm sb2 is much better the sb1 | 14:46 |
| woglinde | but there are some glitches | 14:46 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, bootmenu svn? whats worng with the one i have? | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | timelE61i: I heard mailinator.com has a few spare mailbox | 14:47 |
| guysoft42 | StsN800, * | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | woglinde: does apt-get work in sb2 these days? | 14:47 |
| timelE61i | it needs mail -- but not too much | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | does Mer wifi work on 770? does it? Does it? *pokepokepoke* | 14:47 |
| * Myrtti jumps up and down | 14:47 | |
| timelE61i | Mgedmin: why wouldn't it? | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | at some point it didn't | 14:48 |
| woglinde | hm did someone port the drivers now? | 14:48 |
| * Myrtti pokes StsN800 | 14:48 | |
| woglinde | or still using the old kernel | 14:48 |
| Myrtti | *squeaak* | 14:48 |
| * timelE61i has had apt working on solaris among other places | 14:48 | |
| timelE61i | and even nexenta grabbing maemo-arm | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | lardman, nothing wrong with vb in context | 14:54 |
| woglinde | lcuk *g* | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: it does work but mer is raelly slow on it.. | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | working on getting xomap going, it may help a bit | 15:01 |
| Myrtti | ehrm. I'm supposed to know the Reference manual by heart, yet I can't remember if it had a chapter about flashing. | 15:01 |
| * Myrtti facepalms | 15:01 | |
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| woglinde | Stskeeps hm | 15:02 |
| woglinde | xomap was a xserver not a module right? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: correct, kdrive, well, it does work on n8x0 now but HIM fails to show up for strange reasons | 15:03 |
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| woglinde | stskeep okay | 15:04 |
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| johnx | yay for inexplicable problems! | 15:06 |
| woglinde | hi johnx | 15:06 |
| johnx | hi woglinde | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: managed to build xserver-xomap with new x11 headers so | 15:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, true, but I have to re-remember as I don't write much VB these days | 15:07 |
| lardman | lcuk: and I also have to support the (Linux) party line that it's rubbish ;) | 15:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nice. I'm going to try a newer version of xserver kdrive fbdev | 15:08 |
| lcuk | lol ok then, i wont port it to linux :P | 15:08 |
| lardman | well it would be pretty useful actually for quick apps | 15:08 |
| lcuk | indeed it would :) | 15:08 |
| lardman | certainly this thing I'm writing would be a pita to write in C (stepper motor controller on one PC), IR camera automation controller on another, comms via TCP/IP | 15:09 |
| lcuk | depending on how qt 4.5 ide looks and feels i might try an alternative anyway | 15:09 |
| woglinde | hehe | 15:09 |
| lcuk | you making another automated gun turret? | 15:10 |
| woglinde | lcuk did you see the video from qtablet? | 15:10 |
| lardman | nah, just something to time save doing laser spot ir testing | 15:10 |
| lcuk | yeah woglinde its nice thou looks a bit fiddly for my liking | 15:10 |
| lardman | hmm, laser spot, sound military hey | 15:10 |
| lcuk | especially considering your rocketry history :P | 15:10 |
| lardman | true :) | 15:11 |
| woglinde | lcuk fiddly? | 15:11 |
| woglinde | it was even build against older qtopia | 15:11 |
| lcuk | woglinde, i dont like panning for icons and stuff | 15:11 |
| woglinde | hm okay | 15:11 |
| woglinde | I think with next and last qt-extended version it will much faster | 15:12 |
| woglinde | but the sucky old gcc from maemo dont compiles qmake in a sane qay | 15:12 |
| woglinde | ups wa | 15:12 |
| woglinde | y | 15:12 |
| lcuk | gcc isnt sucky old | 15:13 |
| woglinde | gcc-3.4.4 is sucky old | 15:13 |
| woglinde | and have the linkonceage bug | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | its venerable and has built most of the entire stack you use :P | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: how far did you get with h-d patches btw? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Hmm cause of last week's plane crash is now published. | 15:17 |
| woglinde | hm qt creator looks nice | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: url? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I'll see if I can find English versions. | 15:17 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, was it related to the repairs done a couple of days before? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | woglinde, the qt ide thing for 4.5 looks nice | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: or just short summary :P | 15:18 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, almost nowhere. I got just far enough to realize I would need to apply the ubuntu patches to a whole horde of different packages at the same time | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | They came in too fast for the landing, slowed down by closing gas for 100 seconds and lost too much speed. Stalled, dropped out of the sky. | 15:18 |
| woglinde | lcuk thats the qt creator | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i'll take a grab on it as we need it to move closer to Fremantle UI | 15:19 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, pilot error then | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | got branch? | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | Co-pilot (in training) was flying, pilot reacted 6 seconds too late. | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: mm, wonder if that is going to look good on turkish airlines | 15:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, errr...so are you referring to the fremantle alpha patches or the ubuntu patches? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ubuntu patches | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | they are useful to create ui similar to wazd's :P | 15:22 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, id say it looks worse for the pilot himself for letting his apprentice take control | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | btw, https://code.launchpad.net/ , do you see m-r on there too? :P | 15:22 |
| johnx | ah, and fremantle totally dropped h-d, huh? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: our "ver" at least | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | they have a new h-d based on clutter | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | and seperated hildon-home out to a seperate process | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: There seemed to be a problem with their altitude gauge, but they didn't notice that. | 15:23 |
| johnx | I thought their wm was based on clutter, not their h-d | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: h-d is the WM, heh | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | using libmatchbox2 | 15:23 |
| johnx | aaaaah. well that's special | 15:23 |
| lcuk | no its not | 15:23 |
| lcuk | is it | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i can see | 15:23 |
| lcuk | the WM exists without h-d | 15:23 |
| lcuk | ie we have clutter wm now | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 15:23 |
| lcuk | but no desktop | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_overview/ | 15:24 |
| lcuk | yeah, read the logs (i have much time with 5sec framerate:D) | 15:24 |
| lardman | X-Fade: you got a link for that crash thing? | 15:25 |
| lcuk | by the way, regarding my frameproblem, can someone let me know how to find out my current resolution in linux (ill check it later) i think clutter isnt working because (i think) my display desktop might be 16 or 24bit | 15:26 |
| lcuk | instead of expected 32bit | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Dutch news paper: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3390051/__Fout_piloot_oorzaak_ramp__.html?p=2,1 | 15:26 |
| lardman | uurgh, not like any lang I know :) | 15:27 |
| johnx | lcuk, xdpyinfo from an xterm or there are some GUI tools | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: dear god at the amount of patches | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman: “rushed approach”. 'gashandles' 'idle' | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Says it all ;) | 15:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah O_o I tried but that was a bit beyond me... | 15:29 |
| lardman | for 100s? | 15:29 |
| lcuk | http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/03/04/323374/turkish-737-crash-investigation-focuses-on-crew-actions.html | 15:30 |
| lardman | thanks | 15:30 |
| lcuk | thanks johnx ill look later | 15:30 |
| lcuk | ill bbiab anyway \o | 15:30 |
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| woglinde | bye lcuk | 15:31 |
| lardman | sounds like another classic case of expecting the autopilot to sort it all out | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: they would have probably noticed, by just looking out of the window :( | 15:32 |
| lardman | perhaps | 15:32 |
| lardman | looks like the captain tried to push the throttles forward but they were still set in some or other control mode, so gave no thrust | 15:33 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, and that happened when they were _very_ low, so no time to compensate. | 15:33 |
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| lardman | always lots of accidents whenever I fly anywhere, and the Guardian had an article about surviving aircrashes weekend before last | 15:35 |
| lardman | :) | 15:35 |
| lardman | always reassuring | 15:36 |
| woglinde | haha | 15:36 |
| woglinde | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/performance-and-qt-45/ | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | Well, if it happens to others, it probably won't happen to you.. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | As it doesn't happen that often. | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK | surviving a crash, you mean? | 15:36 |
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| ShadowJK | ;) | 15:36 |
| lardman | yeah I know, I'm sure it's an awareness thing. I'm going flying so I pay attention to these things | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | no launchpad, right now isn't the time to start ignoring my requests... | 15:39 |
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| sisto | hi guys! | 16:00 |
| sisto | anyone can point me to a tutorial on how to sync thunderbird and gpe contacts using tsync and gpesyncd? | 16:01 |
| * sp3000 grumbles | 16:03 | |
| sp3000 | maemomapper ate my skiing lap | 16:03 |
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| sp3000 | the map autodownload while still tracking afterwards driving with tight zoom made it choke and die | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should autosave tracks. | 16:06 |
| sp3000 | I think it was only showing about six of those hourglasses and responding with a half minute delay before dying | 16:06 |
| sp3000 | yeah, I guess it might want to save every few minutes | 16:06 |
| sp3000 | or do you mean it does and I just have to find it? | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain it does, is what I mean. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should be somewhere in home. | 16:07 |
| sp3000 | it does retain them over normal exit | 16:08 |
| * lardman is once again amazed that VB doesn't have a bog standard pause() command | 16:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had tracks retained over a crash before, so. . . . | 16:08 |
| sisto | anyone was successful in syncing tbird and gpe contacts? | 16:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It used to be an issue for me when it'd crash if you turned off a Bluetooth GPS before disconnecting | 16:09 |
| woglinde | hi general | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd lose tracks all the time that way, but I'm fairly certain it's kept them through crashes recently. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe autosaving isn't on by default, though. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, woglinde. | 16:09 |
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| * sisto cries | 16:11 | |
| sp3000 | all I have is a .maemomapper/paths.db, but the ui doesn't show anything | 16:11 |
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| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: this is 2.5.1 fwiw | 16:16 |
| * sp3000 doesn't see an option for autosave | 16:17 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know, then. | 16:17 | |
| sp3000 | and since it wfm over normal exit, a pref would be finessing it a bit imo | 16:17 |
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| sp3000 | I guess it can just fail in some cases if it falls over at a particularily inconvenient moment | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | oh ffs | 16:20 |
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| * Stskeeps curses | 16:20 | |
| johnx | hmmm? | 16:20 |
| sp3000 | Unable to open database "in/n810home_2009-03-04/.maemo-mapper/paths-useme.db": file is encrypted or is not a database | 16:20 |
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| sp3000 | that's inconveninent | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i just found http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/hildon-desktop/ubuntu/changes/337?start_revid=357 | 16:20 |
| sp3000 | or something with a roughly similar spelling | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | (you know, the point where they -actually- put everything in nice patch files) | 16:20 |
| johnx | what were you looking at, if not the patches to 2.0.12? | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | start of tree.. :P | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | well that was 40 mins well wasted. | 16:23 |
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| johnx | ah, I just grabbed their latest package. It's still like ~20 patches that will end up applied out to ~3 or more of our packages | 16:24 |
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| Macer | hi | 16:27 |
| sisto | anyone know any hints on how to sync maemo gpe to gmail, thunderbird, symbian or evolution? | 16:32 |
| sisto | Macer: hi | 16:33 |
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| johnx | the gpe-contacts app? | 16:33 |
| johnx | no idea really, but it would certainly be nice | 16:33 |
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| johnx | you could try importing vcards I suppose, but that's not really a 'sync' | 16:33 |
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| sisto | johnx: thx! | 16:37 |
| sisto | the idea crossed my mind | 16:38 |
| sisto | I'll eventually do it one way or another :) | 16:38 |
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| johnx | I would dearly like better contacts import/sync from gmail as well :/ | 16:39 |
| sisto | I wonder if it'll take longer to find out how to sync than to import all the vcards. | 16:39 |
| johnx | we have ical/webcal, it surprises me there isn't something better for contacts | 16:39 |
| sisto | it's a bummer | 16:39 |
| sisto | Nokia doesn't want to do it | 16:40 |
| johnx | maybe apple will make us something nice and release it as open source ;) | 16:40 |
| RST38h | sisto: If I overheard things correctly, Maemo5 will have a new contacts app | 16:40 |
| johnx | and it will also be closed! woo! yay! | 16:41 |
| sisto | RST38h: hopefully they'll release maemo5 for the n810? | 16:41 |
| johnx | sisto, they won't | 16:41 |
| RST38h | they wil not | 16:41 |
| sisto | is there a syncml client for gpe? | 16:44 |
| sisto | that would make it possible to sync to google contacts | 16:45 |
| sisto | *with | 16:45 |
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| X-Fade | sisto: Check this software: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/erminig/ | 16:46 |
| sisto | X-Fade: will do thx | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Although that sycs caledars.. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | *calendars | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | sisto: This can help too: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpesyncd/ | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | And of course: | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/syncevolution/ | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Scientists make HIV strain that can infect monkeys! | 16:48 |
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| johnx | RST38h, yay scientists! save us from this plague of monkeys infecting our planet! now, to do something about the hairless apes or hu-mans as they call themselves... | 16:49 |
| sisto | X-Fade: thank you!! | 16:49 |
| sisto | are there any manuals for gpenyncd? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: revenge on it coming from the monkeys in the first place? :P | 16:50 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: How are you? :) | 16:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Of course, their ultimate goal is to make this stuff specific to, let us say, muslims =) | 16:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: (or you can insert any other group of people scheduled for destruction by another group of people) | 16:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, or Intel employees? viva la ARM revolution! | 16:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: [mental note: have to quit before this happens.] | 16:51 |
| sisto | "The slight problem is the monkeys don't go on to develop AIDS, they don't get sick," Bieniasz said. | 16:52 |
| johnx | the guide says; Intel employees: "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes." | 16:52 |
| RST38h | sisto: So they can continue happily infecting humans for the rest of their lives | 16:52 |
| sisto | nice | 16:53 |
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| johnx | RST38h, yeah, if they were monkey vampires, monkey blood donators or sexy monkey hookers... | 16:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: "40 kilos of evil minded muscled meat" (C)one of my friends who worked with chimps | 16:54 |
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| sisto | johnx: a commenter said this also works with thunderbird: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/syncevolution/ | 16:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: they had to catch runaway chimps while wearing biohazard suits, btw | 16:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, that sounds like it could be a sport | 16:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: apparently, chimps carry enough human-transmitable viruses to require the use of suits | 16:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: So, yes, it provided for hours of fun, according to her | 16:55 |
| johnx | it sounds like something you'd see on ESPN 8 | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: applied, most of them :) | 17:07 |
| johnx | O_o; | 17:07 |
| johnx | I mean congrats, but ... wow | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | the confusion was really because we have seperated out things into -layout | 17:08 |
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| johnx | the ones for layout and stuff looked like a real PITA to figure out what goes where | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't have known it if i wasn't a bit aware of how automake worked :P | 17:08 |
| johnx | ah, that might have helped | 17:08 |
| johnx | did you just open them in 3 windows and make new patches? or did a 3-way merge or something? | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | bzr checkout of our stuff and patch -p1 most things.. the only -really- irritating one was the layout patc | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | h | 17:09 |
| sp3000 | oh, I wanted sqlite3 | 17:09 |
| johnx | ah, that was the first one :) | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:09 |
| johnx | I never got past it | 17:09 |
| johnx | heh | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | the other ones were piece of cake :P | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | i might want to seperate some of them into confs though | 17:10 |
| sp3000 | but .dump track_path has no data in my backup, unlike the current where I let it track a few points | 17:10 |
| * rm_you waves at johnx | 17:12 | |
| johnx | hey rm_you :D | 17:12 |
| rm_you | :P | 17:12 |
| johnx | how've you been? | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Ah oh, Modest2 source code has been accidentally leaked | 17:12 |
| rm_you | really crazy busy again <_< | 17:12 |
| RST38h | rm_us | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it better be friggen better.. | 17:12 |
| rm_you | oh, i don't think I ever managed to mention to you | 17:12 |
| rm_you | I get to have dinner with RMS when he visits for a talk here in April :P | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: It will support more APIs with cool names | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: torch his beard! | 17:13 |
| johnx | rm_you, neat. you gonna grill him on the GPLv3? | 17:13 |
| rm_you | mentioned it in this channel but you were gone <_< | 17:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that would take away all his power | 17:13 |
| rm_you | I has some questions | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: exactly | 17:13 |
| RST38h | rm_you: Give him a Windows running netbook! | 17:13 |
| rm_you | i need to refine them | 17:13 |
| rm_you | also I need to remember to say GNU/Linux so he doesn't yell at me :P | 17:14 |
| * sp3000 didn't think gplv3 was long enough to grill anyone on a printout | 17:14 | |
| sp3000 | well, maybe a very small animal | 17:14 |
| RST38h | rm_you: please, please, make him yell at you! | 17:14 |
| johnx | sp3000, it's a lot bigger than the GPLv2 though | 17:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:14 |
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| RST38h | can we have a video of RMS throwing things of you for saying bad stuff? | 17:15 |
| RST38h | s/of/at | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop-um-patches/changes | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i really have my doubts on some of this stuff though | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you should just use "Ubuntu" instead of "GNU/Linux" | 17:16 |
| rm_you | and now i must run and buy paper/ink for printing photos for my photography midterm, and then take my russian midterm <_< | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | "weren't you that guy who wrote the Shared source license?" | 17:16 |
| rm_you | lol GA | 17:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:16 |
| rm_you | you guys are horrible :P | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | "i goddamn hate those gnubies." | 17:16 |
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| johnx | rm_you, just watch out. I think he carries around a katana or something O_o; | 17:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:17 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, you mean stuff we might not want to get stuck with long term or just stuff that's kinda hackish? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: as in looking like it would nuke a typical mer theme | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively you could just discuss how much you love the Windows 7 beta. | 17:18 |
| rm_you | i'll just be happy if i can manage an entire dinner + conversation and not look like an idiot :P | 17:18 |
| timelE61i | gan: it's better than the alternatives | 17:19 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, I don't think there's a way to avoid that. and wazd was just waiting for a the new layouts to make new graphics for | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, in my case, the alternatives are OS X or Ubuntu. | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, so, I think not. :P | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, just remember to use the fork | 17:19 |
| rm_you | yeah i never got my video drivers working right in OSX... and the sound stopped working randomly | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't talk with your mouth full. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you don't want your food to end up in his beard | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | the birds will eat it | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 17:20 |
| rm_you | aand sometime soon i need to find out why the i386 build failed for ABL | 17:21 |
| rm_you | so i can actually push this update | 17:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: He carries a kettle and some teabags, in a Safeway bag or something | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's because you're a bad person. | 17:21 |
| rm_you | i don't CARE about the i386 build >_< | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then don't have it build one? | 17:21 |
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| rm_you | can i just put "if (i386) then return(0);" ? >_> | 17:22 |
| johnx | rm_you, then how will you set the backlight when you use mer on your tablet pc? | 17:22 |
| rm_you | can i? | 17:22 |
| rm_you | <_< | 17:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain you can set the target in the source package. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, just adjust it in HAL instead | 17:22 |
| rm_you | i don't know if ABL will work for that anyway | 17:22 |
| rm_you | <_< | 17:22 |
| rm_you | k | 17:22 |
| rm_you | well anyway gotta run, i'll look at the build in a bit | 17:22 |
| rm_you | IE next week during spring break >_< | 17:23 |
| rm_you | when i'm not sprinting from class to class for all of my midterms <_< | 17:23 |
| johnx | 'later rm_you. good luck | 17:23 |
| * rm_you runs | 17:23 | |
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| woglinde | hi qwerty | 17:23 |
| johnx | hey qwerty12 | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | hi woglinde | 17:23 |
| lcuk | if you are doing anything other than ogling female breasts during spring break, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG | 17:23 |
| * rm_you waves at qwerty12 on his way out the door | 17:23 | |
| qwerty12 | hi johnx :) | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | heh, see ya later rm_you :) | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | (well, there are certain other activities permitted, but coding is not one of them) | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, hehe, was wondering what had happened to you :) | 17:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: jeremiah_ has been looking for you | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | of course hildon-theme-mobile-basic doesn't use a hildon theme layout.. | 17:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Looks like his qalculate package requires some dependencies it should not use | 17:25 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I discussed this with jeremiah y/day | 17:25 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yeah. I was just busy IRL. my keyboard ended up buried since I pretty much didn't touch my desktop in ~10 days | 17:26 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i has hildon desktop ubuntu mobile patches | 17:26 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, they're doing something quite different with theming | 17:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked! What benefits do they bring? :) | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: we can finally make the Mer theme :P | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | like wazd's stuff | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, that is wicked | 17:27 |
| johnx | also: resolution independence (!!) | 17:27 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: cool, have you resolved it? =) | 17:28 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Still some work to be done. :) | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, dunno, I think he's still working on it. But I find ATI85 easier to use than Qalculate personally :) | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i ponder if the synth guys can be lured into helping out | 17:30 |
| johnx | but what should we use as the bait? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | a replica tricorder | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | now if we can use fremantle themes that would be interesting | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, lured? | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just ask. :P | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been chatting with Ian a lot lately. | 17:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, via an image reslicer maybe? | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: =) | 17:36 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ATI85 can only get you that far, although it is cute =) | 17:37 |
| * RST38h really has to release the source code, maybe someone will fix TI83+ and the coordinate display in TI83 then | 17:37 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well, hildon layout + theme tools are slicer + slicing description | 17:39 |
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| konttori_ | what. no-one has uploaded anything to fremantle yet! | 17:48 |
| konttori_ | sigh | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | konttori_: Because they can't ;) | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's standing in the door with a pair of stale bread loaves. | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody can get past him. | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Muhahaahaaaaa. | 17:51 |
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| * RST38h browses through his book of wisdom looking for the genocyde spell | 17:53 | |
| johnx | so who else here has largely switched to a webkit-based browser on your tablet for day-to-day browsing? | 17:53 |
| RST38h | I kinda did | 17:53 |
| konttori_ | X-Fade: really? | 17:53 |
| RST38h | But having some problems with Tear | 17:53 |
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| konttori_ | at least the extras assistant has the fremantle listed as well https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2 | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | konttori_: The autobuilder hasn't been setup yet. | 17:54 |
| konttori_ | ah, ok. | 17:54 |
| konttori_ | shame | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | konttori_: Yes, that is the part I can do ;) | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | What about non-free uploading? | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I could set that up if there is a need for it? | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Not that I care personally, I've never uploaded (and never intend to) to non-free ;) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | X-Fade; There is, although not right away | 17:54 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: me | 17:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, the only complaint I have with Tear is that scrolling 'dead-zone' and accel/friction needs to be tweaked a litle | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ok, I'll try to set it up this week. | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I was using webkit-eal for a while, but there are just too many bug. | 17:55 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Once I get some spare time and the SDK gets more complete, will port all of my stuff and dput | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Text input is even more broken than MicroB. | 17:55 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, tried tear? | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | webkit-eal will never be good - it has to use browserd. | 17:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: yes, the kinetik scrolling goes bonkers way too often | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, not bothered. | 17:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I tried 0.2 last and it was too unstable. | 17:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: but the same holds true for other kinetic scrollers too (Canola, etc) | 17:56 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's seeing lots more work than webkit-eal and 0.3-5.1 is lots better | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, glad im not included in that list | 17:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am mostly pissed at the problem with space bar not working on virtual keyboard | 17:56 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm convinced that kinetic scrolling should have a toggle... | 17:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: What list? =) | 17:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268914&postcount=60 | 17:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: That goes without question | 17:57 |
| lcuk | canola etc | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, guess that old menu was a Qt thing. | 17:57 |
| lcuk | ;) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ah...I simply don't know, when I tried liqbase, it scrolled just fine | 17:57 |
| Direc_ | hi | 17:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | webkit-eal's kinetic scrolling works wonderfully. | 17:57 |
| RST38h | General: Is it still being developed though? | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I dunno, but it's kinetic scrolling is fantastic. | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Have to give it a try, if there is still space on / | 17:58 |
| johnx | yeah, probably just a case of copying some of the webkit eal numbers/formulas to tear | 17:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: One think I want from MicroB is the fit-to-width option =( | 17:58 |
| johnx | ugh | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Yea | 17:59 |
| RST38h | I know. But it does come handy. | 17:59 |
| Direc_ | I'm trying to install Deblet on Diablo, but I keep getting error message when starting to uncompress base-files: "/usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 521: ar: not found" | 17:59 |
| lcuk | theres lots of things microb has. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fit to width didn't even work on Opera. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: you don't want to install deblet, look at Mer instead | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | or b-man's Ubuntu Jaunty | 17:59 |
| lcuk | its amazing - as much as we bitch about standard browser just how much better it is ;) | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: you know that's going away due to it being broken? | 17:59 |
| RST38h | General: Well, MicroB version seems to work, most of the time. But it hangs browser for seconds | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Yes. Would rather like to have it fixed instead though | 18:00 |
| sp3000 | yeah, it can be quite expensive | 18:00 |
| Direc_ | Stskeeps, I tought Deblet was under active development | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Smooth, effective zooming is a better answer for me, personally. | 18:00 |
| Direc_ | or is it the status it is in? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles good that the app menu exists, i wonder if i could "alter" some of the layout routines using the generic liqbase methods | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: deblet will no longer be updated, Mer is the successor, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's the application menu you were commenting on from the Qt screenshots and not the Application Menu, of course. ;) | 18:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268914&postcount=60 | 18:01 |
| lcuk | that one which is gtk | 18:02 |
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| Direc_ | Roger that. I would appreciate if someone could add that in http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet too... | 18:03 |
| lcuk | bbl | 18:03 |
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| Meizirkki | ??? | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9339320882.html | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki | vmware for n8x0 :P | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Frets on Fire for Fremantle: http://blip.tv/file/1839929 ;) | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meizirkki, oooold. | 18:09 |
| Meizirkki | sorry | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that framerate is stunning. . . . | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Let's hope that the next device(s) have a good keypad layout that you can actually play the game with ;) | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I guess it is the capture software. | 18:09 |
| johnx | qwerty12, finally the strange key matrix for the RX-71 makes sense now! I bet it will even be shaped like a guitar hero controller | 18:10 |
| lcuk | x-fade, or he has his camera set to too many fps | 18:10 |
| * lcuk was strumming and plucking at his 810 the other night thinking | 18:11 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx, hehe, you're telling me that I've been waiting this long for a guitar of sorts!? :O :P | 18:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: it makes sense even as a keypad, if you consider that the matrix does not have to look like a rectangular grid | 18:11 |
| johnx | yup, and it'll have one of those tiger electronics black and white LCD screens | 18:12 |
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| wazd_n800 | hola world | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | ello wazd | 18:12 |
| johnx | hey wazd_n800 :D | 18:12 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 18:12 |
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| wazd_n800 | life sucks without laptop( | 18:15 |
| johnx | what happened to it? | 18:16 |
| lardman | hey wazd_n800 | 18:16 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: did you get a2dp working ok? | 18:16 |
| * lardman sits down and relaxes after clearing his desk, literally | 18:16 | |
| wazd_n800 | johnx: sister kidnapped it) | 18:16 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, nope( | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, mplayer kept telling 'no sound' | 18:17 |
| lardman | oh :( | 18:17 |
| lardman | was there an error from bluez which it spat out? | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | and drain battery superfast | 18:17 |
| johnx | aaah. my sister has a better computer than me. she wouldn't touch my old stuff :) | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, post the full error. mplayer file.mp3 > /media/mmc2/mplayerlog.txt and pastebin the contents of mplayerlog.txt | 18:18 |
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| * qwerty12 has the fastest computer here but that really isn't saying much... | 18:18 | |
| lardman | what is it qwerty12? :) | 18:19 |
| * lardman looks to buy a new one | 18:19 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, lol, 2.8ghz and 2gb ram. the masterpiece is the ati igp :P | 18:19 |
| lardman | ah :) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It's probably an AMD! | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | But, hey, it works for the Fremantle alpha SDK :P | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, hehe, your worst enemy and all? :P | 18:20 |
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| wazd_n800 | I have a desktop demon but my radeon died and I'm lazy to buy a new one | 18:20 |
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| RST38h | qwerty12: Not really - if they belly up, we become the monopolist, not a good thing | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, true :/ | 18:21 |
| johnx | wazd_n800, I'd give you a PCI VGA card if I was anywhere close...well actually, how far east are you? :D | 18:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I have an amd :) | 18:22 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, 64 X2 were great cores for their price) | 18:23 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, http://pastebin.com/d85ca3a | 18:24 |
| johnx | I think the last time I bought a processor anything with dual cores was running $200+... | 18:24 |
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| * RST38h has got a Centrino1 at home so he wouldn't know | 18:25 | |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, is a2dp actually enabled? | 18:25 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, rock on!) | 18:25 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, He tells me it is enabled) | 18:26 |
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| wazd_n800 | johnx, I was really surprised bout modern video power drain | 18:26 |
| wazd_n800 | 160W, dude! | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Urgh | 18:27 |
| johnx | heh...I run a fanless geforce 6600 :) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, hehe, that output looks suspiciously like the normal output i.e sound passing through the n800 and not to the bluetooth headphones :/ | 18:27 |
| * RST38h has got Trident mobile video chipset | 18:27 | |
| johnx | O_o | 18:27 |
| RST38h | Doesn't eat any power. Doesn't do any 3D. | 18:27 |
| johnx | wow...Trident. Been a *long* time since I heard that name | 18:28 |
| * qwerty12 used to have a riva tnt2. 32mb of ram! | 18:28 | |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I have S3 pci video) 4mb ram! | 18:28 |
| johnx | wazd_n800, yup. used to have one too. S3 Virge DX :) | 18:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: prolly ok for day to day work | 18:29 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, well, what should I do?) | 18:29 |
| johnx | bearly | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Well, the one I have got is from the time they shortly resurfaced after bankrupcy, produced a mobile chipset, then went off the radar | 18:29 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, day to day solitare gaming) | 18:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: For some reason Toshiba preferred them to Intel IGD | 18:30 |
| johnx | with 4MB of framebuffer you're stuck with 1024x768 @ 32bit or 1280x1024 @ 16bit if I remember my numbers | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | the one intel pairs with atom consumes 22W or something silly | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: Dunno, most of the time I just need a framebuffer, don't care who provides it to me :) | 18:30 |
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| wazd_n800 | ahahaha) | 18:30 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: That is probably wrong. | 18:31 |
| wazd_n800 | Artist: Daft Punk Genre: Gangsta) | 18:31 |
| sampo_ | hello, is it possible to remove yellow colour on the irc log page...it is very difficult to read yellow text on white bg | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | sampo: you need to talk to mgedmin | 18:31 |
| sampo_ | RST38h: ok | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | sampo_: Yeah, probably not the best combination ;) | 18:32 |
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| mgedmin | yellow text? hmm... | 18:32 |
| RST38h | N280+chipset+GN40 = 16.5W | 18:32 |
| sampo_ | or the background should be changed to black | 18:32 |
| wazd_n800 | Today I saw a man in a subway train who tried to sms from an iphone) | 18:32 |
| sampo_ | and remove dark coloured text | 18:32 |
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| mgedmin | sampo_: url of the line you find hard to read? | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, what does ~/.asoundrc say? What does ~/.mplayer/config say and is your headset correctly paired? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Simpler video will probably eat less, have to check | 18:33 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: how can i get url to single line ? it is always hard to read when the line is on yellow :) | 18:34 |
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| mgedmin | the timestamp on the right is a link | 18:34 |
| RST38h | N270 + N945GSE chipset = 11.8W | 18:34 |
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| sampo_ | mgedmin: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-03-04.log.html#t2009-03-04T10:06:11 | 18:34 |
| sampo_ | for example | 18:34 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, well, I can hear system sounds | 18:34 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, so I think it's paired | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | ok | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | it | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Those are TDP numbers too, so treat them carefully | 18:35 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: I can't do anything atm am at work, will you be about in ~2hrs? | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | it's readable for me if I look at a certain angle, and unreadable if I look from above | 18:35 |
| sampo_ | lol | 18:35 |
| * lardman has to go do work stuff now | 18:35 | |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, sure | 18:35 |
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| * mgedmin didn't come up with the color scheme, /me inherited it from jdub's perl script | 18:35 | |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, sounds good. but your headset shouldn't be connected when trying to use mplayer (the system will force hsp instead of a2dp - mplayer initiates the connection manually) | 18:35 |
| lardman|afk | wazd_n800: ok, will catch you then | 18:36 |
| lardman|afk | hsp - BT headset profile? | 18:36 |
| lardman|afk | bbiab anyway | 18:36 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: ok if it is not too hard to remove yellow colour, then you should think about changing the bg colour | 18:36 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Unless you have some personal preferences about the colors, I would suggest black background + 7 primary RGB colors | 18:36 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: i mean if it is too hard | 18:36 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, asoundrc says 'permission denied') | 18:36 |
| RST38h | mgdemin: It will look like a teletext screen but will become perfectly readable | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | I have personal preferences for web pages: black text on white background | 18:37 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: and i would be more satisfied if the timestamp were on the left side like it usually happens to be | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, odd, it should be readable by user (I'm talking about /home/user/.asoundrc and I assume you are running mplayer as non-root) | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | sampo_: the hard part is generating many distinguishable colours automatically and ensuring they're all readable | 18:38 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, no root at all | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, odd, can you do a "chown user:users /home/user/.asoundrc ; chmod 644 /home/user/.asoundrc" | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | sampo_: I'm definitely not against improving the logs, I just don't have the time :( | 18:38 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: yes but in this case you are not using black text anyway | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | the script lives here: | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ | 18:39 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: yeah that might be hard but i guess removing yellow on white bg would do the thing for now :) | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | it supports a couple of different templates | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, how come you don't have #maemo under output examples? :) | 18:39 |
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| mgedmin | the page is old ;) | 18:39 |
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| qwerty12 | fair enough ;) | 18:39 |
| * mgedmin checks the script | 18:39 | |
| mgedmin | oh, so I use <span style="color: ..."> instead of css :/ | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | maybe I should use class="color1" and a .css file | 18:40 |
| johnx | ok, started putting together a package for the newer xserver kdrive fbdev used in current stable angstrom and I'll work on that tomorrow (barring any more interventions of real life). 'night all | 18:42 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, denied | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, I think the only reasonable answer is for wazd to make you a Hello Kitty theme. :P | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | sampo_: if you know Python, take a look at the ColourChooser class in http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/svn/irclog2html.py | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | you'll see it's not that easy to remove yellow... | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | or maybe it is? | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, try "chown user:users /home/user/.asoundrc" as root and do "chmod 644 /home/user/.asoundrc" as the normal user | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | it's the (a, a, b) in the rgb list | 18:43 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: sorry but python is not something im familiar with :) | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | how about perl then? | 18:43 |
| sampo_ | neither that :) | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/svn/irclog2html.pl is the original code I converted to Python | 18:43 |
| sampo_ | i prefer c :) | 18:43 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, can you send me a link to the becomeroot.deb? | 18:43 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, I've lost it | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb :P | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | (Yes, I'm a biased bastard) | 18:44 |
| Direc_ | qwerty12, I find myself just as lost every now and then (how about a bootable windows vista with no rights to access C: drive?) | 18:45 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, and then 'sudo gainroot'? | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_n800, becomeroot? lol. | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Direc_, oh, that annoyed me from using vista the first time :). This time, I can write to the root of my C: drive! | 18:46 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: you know those irc stats genarators like pisg? that would be nice also | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, yep, or "root" | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | sampo_: no, I don't know them | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | unfortunately | 18:46 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: like http://elanor.mine.nu/daeron/script.fi.html | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | and I don't have the time to learn about them :/ | 18:46 |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: i had it running one of my channels some years ago, it is not very hard to configure | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | sampo_, jott did one a long time ago: http://outpo.st/irc/ | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | (still pissed off that I never made the swearing list) | 18:47 |
| sampo_ | qwerty12: it is not updating anymore? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | sampo_, think it was a one time thing | 18:47 |
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| sampo_ | hmm i could try running that statistic | 18:48 |
| sampo_ | if someone could put logfile online so i dont need my own bot here | 18:48 |
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| wazd_n800 | how the hell can I copy text from the xchat... | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, just highlight it | 18:48 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, and?) | 18:48 |
| wazd_n800 | aw | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | ...thats it | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | edit -> copy | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | ... right? | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Not in XChat :( | 18:49 |
| wazd_n800 | mgedmin, no edit in hhere) | 18:49 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | I could've sworn there was something | 18:49 |
| wazd_n800 | mgedmin, you need to wake the keyboard | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | but in the main menu bar? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | sampo_, there's http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ but they don't get updated on the fly like mgedmin's one does | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | (i presume logged by the wonderful infobot) | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | iirc if you use the virtual keyboard's copy, it doesn't copy from the xchat backlog | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | povbot`, meet qwerty12 | 18:50 |
| povbot` | mgedmin: Error: "meet" is not a valid command. | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | yeah, well, supybot is stupid | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:51 |
| sampo_ | qwerty12: if someone could provide me logfile i could try to put stats on | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | but it was the one simplest to configure logging for | 18:51 |
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| slonopotamus | povbot`, hello | 18:51 |
| povbot` | slonopotamus: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | all the log files are http-accessible from my site | 18:51 |
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| mgedmin | if you strip the .html from the url | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | povbot`, rm -rf / | 18:51 |
| povbot` | slonopotamus: Error: "rm" is not a valid command. | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | these are updated in realtime, the .htmls are updated from cron every 5 minutes | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | povbot`, stfu | 18:51 |
| povbot` | qwerty12: Error: "stfu" is not a valid command. | 18:51 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, ok it worked | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | unfortunately, the website is sitting behind an ADSL line, so uploading large amounts of data isn't going to work well | 18:52 |
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| mgedmin | and might get my coworkers angry at me | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | infobot, cat /etc/shadow | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, that's cool, didn't know that (tried tricking povbot` into getting me the logs once...) :) | 18:52 |
| * infobot shoves a feral cat down /etc/shadow's pants | 18:52 | |
| sampo_ | mgedmin: maybe i should run those logs from my irssi logfile so those would be on fast connection | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, contents please? :) | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | also, contents of .mplayer/config (which should exist if a2dp is enabled) | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | infobot: what? | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | infobot: ping localhost | 18:53 |
| infobot | pong localhost | 18:53 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, chroot worked but "/home/user/.asoundrc" still denied( | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, what does "ls -l /home/user/.asoundrc" say? | 18:54 |
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| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 71 Mar 3 21:35 /home/user/.asoundrc | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I'm a dumbshit. | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, cat /home/user/.asoundrc | 18:55 |
| lcuk | wazd- in windows, "window" menu and save text | 18:56 |
| lcuk | crap, scrollback | 18:56 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, pcm.bluetooth { | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | pastebin, meet wazd_n800 | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | wazd_n800, meet pastebin | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | that reminds me, I need to reupload pastebinit. fucking python-launcher. | 18:57 |
| wazd_n800 | profile a2dp, type bluetooth, device 00:13:17:71:4E:15 | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | ~pastebin | 18:57 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, screw pastebin | 18:57 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | ~nopaste | 18:57 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, nopaste is http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/, or preferably http://pastebin.ca/ | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | http://pastey.net isn't there | 18:57 |
| * mgedmin likes pastey.net | 18:58 | |
| qwerty12 | add it :) | 18:58 |
| * mgedmin finds the url easy to remember | 18:58 | |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, looks fine to me) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, correct address of your headset? | 18:59 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, yep | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | "a2dp enable ; cat ~/.mplayer/config > /media/mmc2/mplayerconfig.txt" and pastebin mplayerconfig.txt | 18:59 |
| Direc_ | yeah, Mer installer seems less immature than Deblets :] | 19:02 |
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| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, ao=alsa:device=bluetooth | 19:02 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, thats all) | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, it looks correct :/ | 19:03 |
| wazd_n800 | it could be a headset problem maybe | 19:03 |
| wazd_n800 | that's crap( | 19:04 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: you're on an n800 | 19:04 |
| lardman | ? | 19:04 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, yep | 19:05 |
| lardman | is your version of mplayer uptodate? | 19:05 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, yep | 19:05 |
| lardman | it's .29, where did that come from? | 19:05 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, extras) | 19:06 |
| lardman | ah ok, I have the same version | 19:06 |
| lardman | some of the older versions didn't support alsa output, is why I asked | 19:06 |
| lardman | but that's not the problem here | 19:06 |
| lardman | it's curious, as you'd usually see some mention of alsa when it's working (or even when it's not working) | 19:07 |
| wazd_n800 | I've nothing else to test a2dp( | 19:07 |
| lardman | e.g. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/25774 | 19:07 |
| lardman | am heading home now, will fire up PC when I get back and test what happens when hsp is enabled, then we can see where we go from there | 19:09 |
| lardman | 30min ok? | 19:09 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, k | 19:10 |
| lardman | cool | 19:10 |
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| wazd_n800 | oh, since I can be root now, can anybody remind me mediaplayer daemon restart command?) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | /etc/init.d/mediaplayer-daemon restart | 19:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | didn't work( | 19:18 |
| wazd_n800 | still old library | 19:18 |
| wazd_n800 | I think it's time to reflash) | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | oh, just run metalayer-crawler as the normal user and it'll refresh itself anyway | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Could have been possibly disabled (by reading one of the many guides?), "ln -s /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 /etc/rc2.d/D99metalayer-crawler0" & reboot should work if it has been stopped from running upon startup | 19:20 |
| wazd_n800 | albums still there | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | s/D99/S99/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Could have been possibly disabled (by reading one of the many guides?), "ln -s /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 /etc/rc2.d/S99metalayer-crawler0" & reboot should work if it has been stopped from running upon startup | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: we're ready to start playing with some of your Mer interface ideas code-wise now btw | 19:20 |
| wazd_n800 | I've removed bothh cards | 19:20 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, cool! | 19:20 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, time to install Mer) | 19:21 |
| Direc_ | wazd_n800, I'm just doing it ;) | 19:21 |
| Direc_ | a "pro tip": choose simple install :] | 19:21 |
| Direc_ | IMHO it could be a choise between "auto" and "manual" partitioning... | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: but we'll probably have to do a lot of theming work and so on | 19:22 |
| * Stskeeps goes see something | 19:22 | |
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| wazd_n800 | I've even rebooted without cards - player still shows the songs | 19:25 |
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| thopiekar | playing the files, too? | 19:27 |
| thopiekar | wazd_n800: ^ | 19:27 |
| wazd_n800 | thopiekar, no) | 19:27 |
| thopiekar | :) maybe installed well but the player hasn't updated his list yet.. | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: http://v1.moblin.org/toolkits/basicDevGuides/simpleApp/toolkits_DevGds_simpleApp_marqueePlugin.php is one of the gadget we have to play with | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, the abstract gadget | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | so if you can start work on where things actually should be placed and such :P | 19:32 |
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| Direc_ | Mer is quite shiny, but Midori seems to crash every 2 minutes, used or idle :I | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: yeah, well, it is a work in progress :) | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | and taken from a svn version | 19:34 |
| Direc_ | oh :) I'm gonna LOVE Mer | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | We need Tear in Mer. Only downside is that it uses a modified libwebkit | 19:35 |
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| thopiekar | even when the packages wouldn't such fresh as taken from SVN, right Direc_? :P | 19:35 |
| Direc_ | yeah :) | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | /wouldn't/wouldn't be/ | 19:36 |
| Direc_ | I like having/testing/digging bleeding edge :) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: did you notice sudo apt-get install whateverhellyouwant yet? :P | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | (entire ubuntu armel catalogue) | 19:36 |
| Direc_ | :o | 19:37 |
| Direc_ | I'm astonished by the awsomeness (is that a word?) of Mer | 19:38 |
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| Direc_ | I'll perform some serious diggin' tonite | 19:38 |
| lardman | re | 19:38 |
| thopiekar | Direc_: try playing with pulseaudio on mer... if you have pulseaudio on your linux-pc or a streaming app like vlc you can connect your n8x0 and use it as speakers.. | 19:38 |
| * thopiekar can't test it because his device is in a repair-shop for the next 2 weeks :| | 19:39 | |
| qwerty12 | You can also do the same in maemo with esd | 19:39 |
| Direc_ | nice, url? | 19:39 |
| thopiekar | pulseaudio.org or something like that | 19:39 |
| thopiekar | just use google ;) | 19:40 |
| Direc_ | any chance I could contribute? | 19:40 |
| thopiekar | Direc_: are you a linux user? | 19:41 |
| Direc_ | as in, what do you need? | 19:41 |
| Direc_ | yes | 19:41 |
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| lardman | thopiekar: what's wrong with it? | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Direc_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.10 | 19:41 |
| thopiekar | lardman with what? | 19:41 |
| thopiekar | my device? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: we need all hands and experimentation we can get really :P | 19:42 |
| Direc_ | cool! | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People have brief formalities | 19:42 |
| thopiekar | screen got buggy.. strange black thiny lines got longer and longer from the right side of the screen until they get as long as the hole screen.. | 19:43 |
| thopiekar | stange thing.. | 19:43 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: working output - http://maemo.pastebin.com/m178cbb31 | 19:43 |
| thopiekar | Direc_: install padevchooser on your pc and on mer.. | 19:43 |
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| thopiekar | and make the pulseaudio-server vensible on your network.. so you will be able to choose it with the padevchooser on your pc easiely.. | 19:45 |
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| lardman | hsp output - http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3338e6dd | 19:45 |
| * qwerty12 upset to see lethal bizzle isn't there | 19:45 | |
| lardman | I take back what I said about the little headphone symbol, this remains even when I'm running in a2dp mode | 19:45 |
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| lardman | anyone there? | 19:46 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: did you see any of those messages? | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Direc_: "current" goal is to have a version that is on par with fremantle APIs for n8x0s in terms of functionality etc when fremantle comes out | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | does anyone have that effectively-$6/mo cell internet? | 19:47 |
| thopiekar | lardman: a2dp-mode? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | but there's also some philosophical differences in mer versus fermantle, so it's not just a backport of the fremantle alpha for instance | 19:47 |
| lardman | thopiekar: yeah, trying to help wazd | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle, that is | 19:47 |
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| wazd_n800 | lardman, i'm back | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, thou shall not get fremantle wrong | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | where is this a2dp-mode icon? on mer? or where? I'm really interested in a2dp .. maemo 4.1 has no native support.. | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | fermentle ;) | 19:48 |
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| lardman | thopiekar: no a2dp icon, there's a headset icon which appears on the status bar when you attach a BT headset | 19:49 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: I can't seem to get the output you're seeing | 19:50 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: I'd be tempted to reboot, then try again and see if you get more output | 19:50 |
| lardman | the alternative which sometimes works, is to repair your headphones | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | nice.. so you are working on it to port that support to mer? or what? :P | 19:50 |
| wazd_n800 | fuck, hildon-desktop hanged again | 19:51 |
| lardman | thopiekar: no, it works on diablo | 19:51 |
| thopiekar | woohoo even better :P | 19:51 |
| lardman | thopiekar: I'm mainly fiddling about with the encoder on the DSP | 19:51 |
| thopiekar | but a must-have on mer.. | 19:51 |
| lardman | thopiekar: it's not very well integrated though, works with mplayer though | 19:51 |
| lardman | indeed for Mer | 19:51 |
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| thopiekar | johnx's method is using the alsa-emu on maemo's-esd, right? | 19:52 |
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| lardman | yes | 19:53 |
| thopiekar | will your method take less power / cpu-latency? | 19:53 |
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| lardman | well less power/less CPU were the goals | 19:53 |
| thopiekar | but currently? | 19:53 |
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| lardman | and it may well do both, but unfortunately there's some memory contention which means you can't watch videos + do SBC encoding on the DSP (which was the plan) | 19:54 |
| lardman | I've not tested the power consumption either | 19:54 |
| thopiekar | k | 19:54 |
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| lardman | wazd_n800: well I guess that produced a reboot then? :) | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, eiffel's comment is interesting | 19:56 |
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| Direc_ | Stskeeps, what's the state of localisation? Any strings to translate/check? | 19:56 |
| Direc_ | what about keyboard layouts? | 19:57 |
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| wazd_n800 | ok, now it got even worse | 19:57 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: pastebin the output please | 19:57 |
| wazd_n800 | now even hsp doesnt work) | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | Direc_: well, localisation hasn't been directly thought about, but there's a big hole there.. and we only have a stylus keyboard with english | 19:57 |
| thopiekar | wazd_n800: sdrasdvui tej! | 19:58 |
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| wazd_n800 | it shows headset connected but plays thru speakers | 19:58 |
| wazd_n800 | thopiekar, omg)) | 19:59 |
| lardman | interesting | 19:59 |
| GAN800 | Tableteer's down | 19:59 |
| lardman | does the BT applet show them still connected? | 19:59 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, yep | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i wonder what eiffel is talking about in the getting started thing | 19:59 |
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| thopiekar | wazd_n800: :P I don't have any kyrilic letters on my keyboard, excause me :D | 19:59 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: switch headphones off, then back on | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I was looking for. Maybe the tutorial home applet? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but where is that? | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | (didn't he say he was abandoning the platform?) | 20:00 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, oh, it helped) | 20:00 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, on the FIASCO image. | 20:00 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: what have you got now then? | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: what FIASCO image? :P | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | huhu housetier :P | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | greetings from Solingen/NRW | 20:03 |
| housetier | hello thopiekar | 20:03 |
| lardman | lol, sounds like someone's playing this song on a ukelele | 20:04 |
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| wazd_n800 | lardman, I'm stuck with speakers again | 20:05 |
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| lardman | hmm | 20:06 |
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| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6e1422f0 you have these correct | 20:07 |
| lardman | with your own MAC of course | 20:08 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, the tutorial home applet is on the 4.x FIASCO images. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | Don't think it's in a repo. | 20:09 |
| thopiekar | GAN800: maybe on nokia's offical repo? | 20:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Nope :(, but I have a dpkg-repacked copy if anyone wants it. (Who actually keeps it installed?) | 20:09 |
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| mib_hn1id8 | http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2563/screenshot08.png | 20:13 |
| mib_hn1id8 | Hello ! | 20:13 |
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| mib_hn1id8 | what do u think of this ? | 20:13 |
| thopiekar | mib_hn1id8: what'S that? a calender? | 20:14 |
| mib_hn1id8 | color still need some works :) | 20:14 |
| lardman | hey wazd_n800 | 20:14 |
| mib_hn1id8 | yep | 20:14 |
| mib_hn1id8 | mcalendar week view | 20:14 |
| wazd_n800 | screw this, I'm gonna reflash( | 20:14 |
| lardman | it's probably an applet which is killing hildon-desktop | 20:14 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, when I plug in/out the headphones - signal redirects to the bt headset for 5 secs and then returns back | 20:15 |
| lardman | strange | 20:15 |
| thopiekar | mib_hn1id8: from my point of view I would like to have a grid... | 20:15 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: sorry, am out of ideas | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | even an option to turn it on.. | 20:16 |
| mib_hn1id8 | there is a grid ... just white on white :) | 20:16 |
| wazd_n800 | dude! | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | aah k then :P | 20:16 |
| wazd_n800 | it works! | 20:16 |
| mib_hn1id8 | yep | 20:16 |
| lardman | lol | 20:16 |
| wazd_n800 | holy shhit) | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | wazd_n800: report? | 20:16 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: what did you do? | 20:16 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 20:16 |
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| mib_hn1id8 | there is still work as it s a custom widget | 20:17 |
| mib_hn1id8 | but it s works ... | 20:17 |
| mib_hn1id8 | sometimes | 20:17 |
| mib_hn1id8 | :) | 20:17 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, i don't know) | 20:17 |
| lardman | lol | 20:17 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:17 |
| lardman | nothing in between the 5s thing and it working? | 20:17 |
| mib_hn1id8 | oups what stupid nick i have | 20:17 |
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| thopiekar | aaah Khertan :D | 20:18 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, i just turned on a2dp and tried mplayer now) | 20:18 |
| Khertan | yeah better | 20:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:18 |
| Khertan | yep | 20:18 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: I've got to say, after I reflash it can be a real pita to get it working | 20:18 |
| Khertan | héhé surely the only one doing many try on 'how to display calendar' | 20:18 |
| Khertan | so anyway ... see you later | 20:19 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: and I can never work out what's wrong - so I reboot, enable/disable, re-pair headphones, and eventually it works | 20:19 |
| Khertan | connection will drop to lack of network coverage | 20:19 |
| Khertan | bye | 20:19 |
| wazd_n800 | report http://pastebin.com/d7811313d | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | Khertan: cu | 20:20 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, thanks 4 the help! | 20:21 |
| lardman | np, not sure I did much :) | 20:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | music is back! weee! | 20:22 |
| wazd_n800 | now i need mediabox | 20:23 |
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| lardman | wazd_n800: you might want to set the cpu_scaling_governor to performance to avoid strange tone changes | 20:25 |
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| lardman | though if you're decoding video at the same time I imagine it will be running at full pelt anyway | 20:26 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, how can I?) | 20:26 |
| wazd_n800 | lardman, video was just a test) | 20:26 |
| lardman | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 20:26 |
| lardman | then when you're done set it back to ondemand | 20:26 |
| lardman | echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 20:27 |
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| wazd_n800 | lardman, thanks, i'll try it | 20:33 |
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| trollasaurus | I need a quick favor, can someone send me the difference (cmp -b output) between /dev/mtd1ro on a Nokia N800 with the no-lifeguard-reset flag set/unset ? (Trying to update my page: http://www.rkeene.org/projects/info/wiki/106 and don't have my Nokia with me for a couple of weeks) | 20:51 |
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| mikkov_ | waht the heck? why isn't tear in maemo.org frontpage? you can actually use itt default style with it | 21:03 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 21:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you might be prodded by some guy from LWN regarding Mer, btw | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-marquee.png | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | playing a little bit.. | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-marquee2.png | 21:35 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4180 | 21:36 |
| * lcuk curses having to create another account | 21:36 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, nice | 21:40 |
| lcuk | you are playing with the options in matchbox? | 21:40 |
| andre__ | ...but for the next bug report, lcuk should use alpha and not the old pre-alpha2 ;-)) | 21:40 |
| lcuk | for the next release nokia should order their things properly | 21:41 |
| timelE61i | ? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | i went to the bottom one with highest number because i was under the impression that was the latest | 21:41 |
| andre__ | lcuk, err, blame me please, not nokia | 21:41 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: new hildon desktop patches from UM | 21:41 |
| lcuk | *nod* | 21:42 |
| andre__ | lcuk, problem is that bugzilla does not support arbitrary sorting for versions | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | bit of a pita | 21:42 |
| andre__ | yeah | 21:42 |
| lcuk | hopefully i wont ever have to file a bug again | 21:42 |
| * lcuk is bad at it | 21:42 | |
| andre__ | *shrug* we'll get it into a nice shape | 21:43 |
| andre__ | (hey, it's not always nokia's fault when something's wrong. i'm around too!) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | lol andre__ im not worried about that part | 21:43 |
| lcuk | ive been here long enough to know how things are :) its that i am simply crap at reporting bugs, so don't normally | 21:43 |
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| * lcuk normally finds bugs, makes a workaround and solves it client side so to speak | 21:44 | |
| andre__ | hehe | 21:44 |
| lcuk | but actually, now i have an account | 21:45 |
| lcuk | there have been a few things.. | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | remoo | 21:46 |
| lcuk | ello RST38h | 21:46 |
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| housetier | hehehe | 21:51 |
| housetier | unicode ftw! | 21:51 |
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| jeremiah_ | Nice unicode! | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | most unicode fails here | 22:00 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: noted earlier | 22:01 |
| lardman | bbl | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | i thought you were napping | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: fix your irssi and/or get a proper client, like irssi | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 22:01 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | i dont need stinking unicode though | 22:01 |
| lcuk | apart from when you post stuff :P | 22:02 |
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| fred23 | hi everybody... I' trying to profile fennec running on the N810 with oprofile-server / oprofile-viewer. Has anybody had any luck with this ? I'm asking 'cause i've got a problem concerning internet access : it seems that, as soon as I'm connecting by usb to the device (let's say for SSH), the wlan0 interface on the device just drops.. is that true ? | 22:06 |
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| fnordianslipeee | fred23, Hi. I have no idea about the actual answer to your question, but I can say that when I've wanted another network connection with my N800, say when running kismet, I've used bluetooth to carry an IP link | 22:09 |
| fred23 | cool, thanx fnordianslipeee ... I'll still wait some more here and repost my question in a while... there's gotta be someone with my exact problem. | 22:10 |
| fnordianslipeee | of course, i meant to say IP network, what with bluetooth being a link itself | 22:11 |
| fred23 | sure | 22:11 |
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| fnordianslipeee | i suppose i could see if i can replicate your problem | 22:12 |
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| yigal | How many colors does osso-xterm 0.14.mh12 - 8 or more? | 22:13 |
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| yigal | excuse me I meant to write: How many colors does osso-xterm 0.14.mh12 - 8 or more - support? | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | what is it that causes the window title with menu in it to go over the window itself? | 22:16 |
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| fnordianslipeee | fred23, when i try and run USN Networking on the tablet, I just get told that the USB connection is already in use. | 22:19 |
| fnordianslipeee | USB Notworking, more like it. There's no partitiion to share, so I'm baffled, although I can see the n800 in lsusb | 22:20 |
| fred23 | in my case, I don't get any message... firefox (or maemo browser) just don't seem to be able to connect to internet... but the wlan0 interface is still there in ifconfig...mhhh | 22:20 |
| fnordianslipeee | are you using Control Panel -> USB Networking to bring up the interface on the tablet? | 22:21 |
| fred23 | I know there's something in the N810 tech doc which states that the device can only be used as a mass-storage OR ssh-drivable server at any single time... that's why it's impossible to access the memoryCard while connected to it throught SSH. I don't know if this is related to my current problem.. | 22:22 |
| fred23 | fnordianslipeee: nope... I'm using console commands in xterm | 22:22 |
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| fred23 | fnordianslipeee: it's the same though | 22:23 |
| vasily_pupkin | Hi! Anybody build preempt kernel for n810? | 22:23 |
| fred23 | fnordianslipeee: thanx for your time anyway... I'll go on and read technical stuff out there... ;-) | 22:23 |
| fnordianslipeee | ah. got an interface now on the tablet | 22:24 |
| fnordianslipeee | no worries. laters | 22:24 |
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| yigal | so I guess no one here knows off the top of their head how many colors the standard osso-xterm supports - the move away from cli based apps. is complete then, ha. | 22:37 |
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| trollasaurus | I would guess 16 fg and 8 bg, like the standard Xterm -- but no ideaabout oss-xterm specifically. | 22:39 |
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| yigal | I'm having a problem with my BT keyboard interacting with MicroB :(. I am unable to highlight text in the location bar, nothing works C-A, even dragging the stylus has no effect. Is this a known bug, and is there a fix? | 23:11 |
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| yigal | Not using the BT keyboard is not a fix - it is an iGo Stowaway | 23:12 |
| yigal | I think it would be easier to start a thread in ITT, so don't respond here, thanks. | 23:15 |
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| cheng_99 | hi, does anyone know how to install maemo-cplusplus-env from apt-get? | 23:19 |
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| cheng_99 | i tried add extras repository, but i cannot update it. apt-update is always stop at 57% | 23:20 |
| thopiekar | cheng_99: have you root access? | 23:20 |
| cheng_99 | yep, i used fakeroot | 23:20 |
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| Macer_ | well. that kinda sucked | 23:21 |
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| thopiekar | :| don't know if that is the problem.. you should use the packges (rootsh and sudser) from the program manager ,... | 23:22 |
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| cheng_99 | oh, sorry, i am using apt-get inside scratchbox | 23:22 |
| thopiekar | then try "sudo apt-get clean";"sudo apt-get update" | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | aaah | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | then apt-get clean | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | and apt-get update.. | 23:23 |
| thopiekar | and wait at least 15min for an output.. | 23:23 |
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| thopiekar | paste it then on http://pastebin.com and add here the link... | 23:24 |
| thopiekar | the guys here will help you.. I have now to go sleeping while it'S 22:25 (10:25PM) | 23:25 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 23:25 |
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| thopiekar | * all the tips above are for scratchbox1.. | 23:25 |
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| thopiekar | cu tomorrow :P | 23:26 |
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| cheng_99 | no success, http://pastebin.com/m132aa339 | 23:27 |
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| woglinde | cheng_99 check your /etc/resolv.conf | 23:28 |
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| Macer | GNOME .... "The poor man's OSX" | 23:31 |
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| b-man | Macer: lol | 23:32 |
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| woglinde | cheng_99 check your /etc/resolv.conf | 23:43 |
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