| wazd | Stskeeps: http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg | 00:00 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: something like that | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, the problem with that icon style is that you can't spot things by shape. | 00:00 |
| lcuk | hannesw, REALLY poor performance, 5 seconds per frame, its an ibm thinkpad tabletpc, its got ubuntu 8.10 on, and i run with no special effects, BUT if i do enable them i get perfect high speed fancy wobbly windows (ie the driver "works") | 00:01 |
| hannesw | lcuk: yes, sounds pretty much like my situation | 00:02 |
| hannesw | i think it's related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094 | 00:03 |
| lcuk | will my ibm/lenovo have ibm chipset? | 00:03 |
| hannesw | i have a thinkpad t61, intel chipset, also ubuntu 8.10 | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | oooh yeah | 00:04 |
| hannesw | and I've had similar problems with some apps before. | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | but i have 3d capabilities and can (but choose not to) do compositing with wobble? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | and isnt clutter now targetting intel :p | 00:05 |
| hannesw | yes, compiz works ok. but some graphics operations are just incredibly slow. | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | tis a bit screwy | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | roope, henrick just posted something about pressing hardware fullscreen button | 00:06 |
| lcuk | hows he got it on hardware and we havent | 00:06 |
| wazd | I've found sinked nokian tire replacement! http://i005.radikal.ru/0903/a5/671385d3b35a.jpg | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:07 |
| wazd | sank* | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | hannesw, glxgears (its a tiny window by default, is that normal ive never run it before) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | gives: 3611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 722.059 FPS | 00:07 |
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| b-man | wazd: lol | 00:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Oh YESSSS | 00:08 |
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| AFB770 | Hello | 00:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: sunk | 00:10 |
| hannesw | lcuk: i seem to remember that glxgears performance is not really relevant, it's just some weird problems deep down in the drivers, and the x.org folks will eventually sort it out, but not in the near future... | 00:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn | 00:10 |
| * b-man wonders why glxgears works from a chroot in maemo but doesn't in booted ubuntu ;p | 00:10 | |
| neatojones | it worked in my ubuntu | 00:11 |
| lcuk | does the fremantle ui run smoothly for other people? | 00:11 |
| neatojones | without chroot | 00:11 |
| lcuk | as in at expected speed | 00:11 |
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| neatojones | I don't get it. I thought the debs would include everything that I built originally. Apparently not. | 00:15 |
| neatojones | I also found that debian has a relatively new version on their experimental repos. I'm considering trying them out. | 00:16 |
| b-man | neatojones: are you using dpkg-dev? | 00:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think they intend it to be pressed with a finger, like the rest of the ui | 00:16 |
| neatojones | no. just dpkg-buildpackage -S ...etc | 00:16 |
| neatojones | e17 makes the debian files automatically | 00:16 |
| neatojones | it detects debian distro and makes the control and rules files automatically. | 00:17 |
| b-man | that's what i've been using | 00:17 |
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| neatojones | I'm really hoping someone else will use the original deb I linked to and troubleshoot the problem with me. | 00:18 |
| b-man | neatojones: have the #e17 people helped? | 00:19 |
| neatojones | The said they don't know anything about debian | 00:19 |
| b-man | lol | 00:19 |
| neatojones | ...i tried :D | 00:19 |
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| b-man | :) | 00:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: it's just a sign, jou don't have to make sign to fill the whole button zone :) | 00:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: just make the button itself large enough for finger | 00:20 |
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| neatojones | But, I think since my builds are working fine (outside of the debs). Maybe I can build it into /opt/e17 and then tar that image and just have people upack it and add /opt/e17/bin to their path for bash | 00:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: maybe this rather ugly black theme is just a temporary placeholder... | 00:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: hope so) | 00:23 |
| neatojones | I'm working to see how low of a memory requirement I can get on start up with Mer using e17. | 00:25 |
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| * b-man adds a new package called xorg-config to the ubuntu repo witch will automaticly configure xorg.conf, Xwrapper.config, and rc.local to make installing ubuntu even simpler | 00:26 | |
| neatojones | b-man: nice | 00:26 |
| b-man | i just hope it works properly :) | 00:26 |
| b-man | i tested it on mine ;) | 00:27 |
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| b-man | i'm also creating a package called tablet-hwclock to fix the hardware clock problem :) | 00:28 |
| * neatojones prepares to make a video of using e17 to make it easier to understand what it is like without installing. | 00:29 | |
| b-man | sweet :) | 00:29 |
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| Macer | oh man this is great | 00:34 |
| Macer | this system runs esxi 10x better than my shuttle | 00:34 |
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| bogdanr | Hello | 01:02 |
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| bogdanr | I recently installed Mer and I know it might sound stupid but how do I shut it down or reboot it? | 01:03 |
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| VDVsx | bogdanr, which release ? | 01:04 |
| bogdanr | 0.9 | 01:04 |
| guysoft42 | hi all question - is there a way to get a taskbar in hildon? so i could see apps like dosbox? | 01:05 |
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| bogdanr | nope | 01:06 |
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| VDVsx | bogdanr, in mine 0.9 it appears, but I have a pre-build of 0.9 | 01:06 |
| bogdanr | In mine I am sure it doesn't appear | 01:07 |
| VDVsx | so the only option is type sudo halt in a terminal :) | 01:07 |
| VDVsx | or try to start powerluncher | 01:08 |
| bogdanr | VDVsx: What is powerluncher? | 01:08 |
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| VDVsx | bogdanr, Mer use powerlauncher instead of the close nokia power manager: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/powerlaunch/ | 01:09 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, are you there ? :) | 01:10 |
| VDVsx | bogdanr, is your first boot of Mer 0.9 ? | 01:12 |
| bogdanr | no | 01:12 |
| bogdanr | I think it's the 5'th or something like this | 01:12 |
| VDVsx | so is really broken :( | 01:13 |
| bogdanr | I kinda like it but there are many things that have to be improoved | 01:13 |
| bogdanr | I wonder if this also happens in 0.10 | 01:14 |
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| VDVsx | Mer 0.10 isn't released yet | 01:15 |
| bogdanr | Interesting | 01:15 |
| VDVsx | 0.9 is released today, I think | 01:15 |
| bogdanr | I thought I saw an announcement | 01:15 |
| bogdanr | My bad | 01:16 |
| bogdanr | I have 0.8 | 01:16 |
| bogdanr | Sorry | 01:16 |
| VDVsx | :) | 01:17 |
| bogdanr | I will install 0.9 now | 01:18 |
| bogdanr | Do you know if libsdl is included? | 01:18 |
| bogdanr | or of it's in the repo? | 01:18 |
| VDVsx | download the new Mer installer | 01:18 |
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| VDVsx | yes it is, I installed frozen bubble yesterday | 01:19 |
| bogdanr | cool | 01:19 |
| VDVsx | you have almost the same packages that you have in ubuntu | 01:19 |
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| bogdanr | excellent | 01:20 |
| bogdanr | If I want to help... what should I do? | 01:20 |
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| VDVsx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints | 01:21 |
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| zakkm | neatojones: how long does the original e17 take? | 01:25 |
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| neatojones | I think it took me about 5 hours to build. | 01:26 |
| neatojones | the debs are quicker. | 01:26 |
| zakkm | does onscreen keyboard still work in the 2nd way? | 01:26 |
| zakkm | im running dpkg *.* now | 01:26 |
| zakkm | you said the default profile doesnt work for onscreen keyboard | 01:26 |
| zakkm | i have a n800 | 01:26 |
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| neatojones | nope. I can't figure it out. You can make it work by downloading the .kbd files and manually placing them though | 01:27 |
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| zakkm | onscreen keyboard doesnt work at all? | 01:27 |
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| neatojones | Well, it pops up only partially. The .kbd files and .png's that tell it what the keyboard is supposed to look like didn't make it into the install for some reason. | 01:28 |
| neatojones | I can probably send the files to you if you have a place. | 01:28 |
| zakkm | can you send over irc? | 01:28 |
| neatojones | also, the screen seems to be using the wrong bit format. | 01:28 |
| zakkm | pkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libecore-dbg: | 01:28 |
| zakkm | libecore-dbg depends on libecore0 (= 0.9.9.050-1); however: | 01:28 |
| zakkm | Package libecore0 is not configured yet. | 01:28 |
| zakkm | no packages installed. | 01:29 |
| neatojones | yeah. | 01:29 |
| neatojones | Hmm | 01:29 |
| neatojones | is the libecore0 file there? | 01:29 |
| zakkm | im running dpkg --configure -a | 01:29 |
| zakkm | hopefully that will help | 01:29 |
| zakkm | it should be | 01:29 |
| neatojones | try dpkg -i libecore0* | 01:29 |
| zakkm | its going | 01:29 |
| neatojones | sweet. that should install | 01:30 |
| neatojones | unless I somehow forgot it. | 01:30 |
| zakkm | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libecore0-all: | 01:30 |
| zakkm | the libecore0 installed fine though i think | 01:30 |
| neatojones | try apt-get -f install | 01:30 |
| zakkm | oh no it didnt | 01:30 |
| neatojones | you may have some dependency's missing | 01:31 |
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| zakkm | wow that makes me want to download install alot | 01:31 |
| zakkm | 77 not fully installed or removed | 01:31 |
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| neatojones | It's installing a lot of stuff. Some of it may not be related to E17 | 01:32 |
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| zakkm | nothing is related ;p | 01:32 |
| zakkm | pretty much | 01:32 |
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| neatojones | you mean that they are for other programs? | 01:36 |
| zakkm | yeah | 01:36 |
| zakkm | libs, gcc and such | 01:36 |
| neatojones | It should install, but there are a few that you'll need | 01:36 |
| zakkm | X related | 01:36 |
| neatojones | ok | 01:36 |
| zakkm | x11proto.. | 01:36 |
| neatojones | a lot of those you don't need | 01:37 |
| neatojones | remove the -dev ones | 01:37 |
| neatojones | and you won't have to install all of those | 01:37 |
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| zakkm | ah its okay | 01:37 |
| neatojones | you dont really need them any way. | 01:37 |
| neatojones | they're developer files. | 01:37 |
| zakkm | i know linux :) | 01:37 |
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| zakkm | just bad at tablet work | 01:37 |
| neatojones | I figured. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there for you | 01:37 |
| zakkm | im going to shrink everything after i get desktop going and all | 01:38 |
| zakkm | like once im done | 01:38 |
| zakkm | going to see all packagesi have, and start removing what i dont want | 01:38 |
| zakkm | like manpages, i never use those | 01:38 |
| zakkm | would a n800 make a good webserver? | 01:39 |
| neatojones | ha | 01:40 |
| neatojones | I've started doing that | 01:40 |
| neatojones | I'm trying to get a really low memory footprint | 01:40 |
| neatojones | it's sitting at 40 right now, but I think if I get rid of several useless things like getty's and cups, gnome-keyring-manager, etc | 01:40 |
| neatojones | it'll get down to around 20 or less | 01:41 |
| neatojones | I'd also like to get enna going http://exchange.enlightenment.org/application/show/164 | 01:41 |
| neatojones | it seems to be a cousin to canola | 01:41 |
| neatojones | canola was probably derived from it | 01:41 |
| zakkm | oh i could help with that | 01:42 |
| zakkm | if you'll like | 01:42 |
| neatojones | that'd be great. | 01:42 |
| neatojones | I'm going to try to rebuild it in a bit. | 01:42 |
| neatojones | I'm working on a video of e17 right now. | 01:42 |
| neatojones | if you like e17, then I'd really suggest using the original deb. The results are much better. | 01:43 |
| zakkm | really? | 01:43 |
| zakkm | i dont have 5 hours though | 01:43 |
| neatojones | but, those packages are a nice way to test it. | 01:43 |
| neatojones | it'll run over night | 01:43 |
| zakkm | ill do it overnight | 01:43 |
| zakkm | ;p | 01:43 |
| zakkm | yeah | 01:43 |
| zakkm | but now i just want to see it done ;p | 01:43 |
| neatojones | yeah | 01:43 |
| neatojones | I understand | 01:43 |
| neatojones | that's what I was thinking | 01:43 |
| neatojones | :D | 01:43 |
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| neatojones | don't forget to install gnome-menus or something or you won't have any applications on the desktop | 01:44 |
| neatojones | if that happens, let me know and I'll walk you though getting around it | 01:44 |
| zakkm | if what happens? | 01:44 |
| neatojones | if you have no programs on the desktop | 01:45 |
| neatojones | you won't be able to do anything useful :D | 01:45 |
| neatojones | not even connect to the internet | 01:45 |
| zakkm | oh | 01:45 |
| zakkm | doing the apt-get -f install still -.- | 01:46 |
| neatojones | hehe | 01:46 |
| neatojones | at least it installs them. | 01:46 |
| neatojones | the other deb has a lot of conflicts with the mer repo. So, you have to uninstall virtually everything to get it to install. | 01:47 |
| neatojones | (everything hildon and gtk related anyway) | 01:47 |
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| neatojones | hmm. There is no mplayer for Mer??? | 01:47 |
| neatojones | can anyone confirm this? | 01:47 |
| zakkm | we're get it working | 01:48 |
| neatojones | is it in maemo extras? | 01:48 |
| zakkm | mplayer, yes | 01:49 |
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| neatojones | it may be what's missing for enna | 01:50 |
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| zakkm | i dont know debian all too well | 01:51 |
| zakkm | but there is a way to see what packages are dependent on what | 01:51 |
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| zakkm | neatojones: may i pm you | 01:52 |
| neatojones | sure | 01:52 |
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| neatojones | b-man, any idea where I can post the video? | 02:23 |
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| b-man | youtube | 02:23 |
| b-man | ;) | 02:24 |
| neatojones | k | 02:24 |
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| zakkm | b-man: how come with your rootstrap, i cant get the keyboard to popup | 02:25 |
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| b-man | because it doesn't use hildon-input-method | 02:26 |
| b-man | but you can use xkbd or matchbox-keyboard ;) | 02:26 |
| andre__ | hmm... "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" in scratchbox :-( | 02:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | andre__: usual things are, is /etc/nsswitch.conf & /etc/resolv.conf correct. And what does 'which apt-get' say? :) | 02:30 |
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| neatojones | E17 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34 | 02:32 |
| neatojones | it's not the best... | 02:32 |
| neatojones | but it worked | 02:32 |
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| andre__ | qwerty12_N800, /etc/nsswitch.conf didn't exist, added what was proposed by scratchbox, still not working | 02:33 |
| andre__ | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > which apt-get : /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/apt-get | 02:33 |
| andre__ | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > more /etc/resolv.conf : nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 02:33 |
| andre__ | grrr. pre-alpha2 worked for me :-P | 02:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | odd, apt-get is the correct binary. have you tried adding your current dns server(s) into the resolv.conf? | 02:34 |
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| b-man | neatojones: awsome! :D | 02:35 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N800, will try tmrw... thanks. probably going to sleep now, easier and less error-prone :-P | 02:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, 'night :) | 02:36 |
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| alex_mayorga | hi, how do I deactivate volume/bright indicators if I installed advanced-backlight? | 02:37 |
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| neatojones | is there anyway to embed a video in iTT? | 02:37 |
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| * b-man has seen people do it, but doesn't quite remember how :( | 02:37 | |
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| b-man | maybe [IMG]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34[/IMG]? - random guess | 02:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: btw, what's wrong with your current e17 debs? | 02:39 |
| neatojones | the keyboard plugins don't get installed | 02:39 |
| neatojones | and the bit rate seems wrong | 02:39 |
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| b-man | neatojones: btw, what app did you use to record that video? | 02:40 |
| alex_mayorga | never mind, newbie, settings - control panel - panels - status bar | 02:40 |
| neatojones | there are lines that go across the screen (like X is trying to use 16bit, instead of 32 and then converting...or something wierd) | 02:40 |
| neatojones | recordmydesktop | 02:41 |
| neatojones | b-man: recordmydesktop | 02:41 |
| b-man | got it ;) | 02:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | got a source package up? I can at least look into the keyboard thing | 02:41 |
| milhouse | hmmm... wassup with maemo.org? | 02:41 |
| milhouse | site knackered? | 02:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | think the 770 > N800 upgrade is in progress | 02:42 |
| milhouse | probably didn't enable swap | 02:47 |
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| neatojones | querty12_N800 I uploaded them to /incoming last night | 02:48 |
| wazd_hp | dude, I came up with revolutionary idea! | 02:48 |
| neatojones | They are also in zip format. | 02:48 |
| alex_mayorga | would there be maemo 5 for n800? | 02:48 |
| wazd_hp | wtf with my nick... | 02:48 |
| neatojones | I'll get the web addy | 02:48 |
| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 02:49 |
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| wazd_hp | AndrewFBlack: hola | 02:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi AndrewFBlack | 02:49 |
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| neatojones | qwerty12_N800: http://www.savefile.com/files/2022795 | 02:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: cool, http://repository.mer.tspre.org seems to be down :) | 02:50 |
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| neatojones | np | 02:51 |
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| neatojones | qwerty12_N800: If you don't mind letting it compile while you sleep try installing this deb: http://cafelinux.org/Downloads/oz-os/pool/main/e/e17-svn/e17-svn_1.2.3-3_all.deb | 02:52 |
| neatojones | it will download the svn source code, compile, build and install it. | 02:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I don't have mer installed atm :/ | 02:52 |
| neatojones | it actually works * | 02:52 |
| neatojones | muh...nm then | 02:52 |
| neatojones | well, when you do :) ... | 02:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :) | 02:53 |
| wazd_hp | it's not the letter on the keyboard itself to blink everytime you press it | 02:54 |
| wazd_hp | it's annoying | 02:54 |
| wazd_hp | there should be a letter ghost right where you actually type | 02:54 |
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| wazd_hp | gray or something | 02:54 |
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| * Mousey gives neatojones a medal | 03:06 | |
| neatojones | Thanks Mousey! | 03:06 |
| Mousey | thank YOU | 03:07 |
| Mousey | i just wish somebody would package it for debian proper ^_^ | 03:07 |
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| neatojones | it may be. | 03:09 |
| neatojones | look in debian experimental | 03:09 |
| Mousey | it isn't | 03:09 |
| * Mousey waves fist | 03:10 | |
| Mousey | oh experimental | 03:10 |
| Mousey | i consider myself a debian almost-expert | 03:10 |
| Mousey | but i don't have any experimental branches in my sources.list | 03:10 |
| neatojones | Yeah, I added the debian experimental repo and it is installable on my N810 in Ubuntu | 03:10 |
| Mousey | fascinating, captain | 03:10 |
| neatojones | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main | 03:11 |
| neatojones | then simply sudo apt-get install e17 | 03:12 |
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| neatojones | I'm thinking about seeing if those packages work and using them temporarily until the ones I made are working better. | 03:12 |
| * b-man can't wait untill he can upload the e17 debs to the ubuntu-n8x0 repo :) | 03:14 | |
| b-man | then i can make a sys-env-e17 :D | 03:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: what are the names of the keyboard plugins & where are they installed to with your svn deb? | 03:16 |
| neatojones | querty12_N800: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ is the directory | 03:17 |
| neatojones | there is also a /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts directory missing which should handle dictionaries. | 03:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 03:19 |
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| neatojones | the files missing from keyboards directory are alpha.png backspace.png, Default.kbd, down.png enter.png , ignore_built_in_keyboards, left.png, Numbers.kbd, numeric.png, qwerty.png, right.png, shift.png, tab.png, Terminal.kbd, up.png | 03:20 |
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| * AndrewFBlack finally over loaded his server today lol | 03:22 | |
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| b-man | AndrewFBlack: lol XD | 03:24 |
| b-man | what did you do? | 03:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | Tried to run a Teamspeak server on it for some friends Locked it Slam up | 03:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | so lets just say that isnt' happening now lol | 03:25 |
| b-man | hehe :) | 03:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | btw maemobox.org name has got to go I'm working on a few ideas for changes right now | 03:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: in debian/e17-data.install, add "debian/tmp/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/" (w/out quotes) | 03:28 |
| neatojones | ok | 03:28 |
| neatojones | and the same for /dicts? | 03:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sure | 03:29 |
| neatojones | lol | 03:29 |
| b-man | AndrewFBlack: will that effect anything in my section? | 03:29 |
| b-man | ...besides having to re-name the ubuntu-n8x0 repo | 03:30 |
| b-man | url | 03:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | everyones domain will change but thats it | 03:30 |
| b-man | k | 03:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | I hope to make it was easy for everyone as I can | 03:31 |
| neatojones | qwerty12_N800: If you watch the video I post, you'll notice that there are lines on the desktop. That's what I'm takling about (the resolution or patelle is wrong) with the deb files. | 03:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you sure it's not a isolated problem? easy_e17.sh doesn't seem to do anything wrt resolution | 03:34 |
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| neatojones | qwerty12_N800: It doesn't make sense to me either. The thing is that the easy_e17.sh looks right. The debs don't for me. | 03:43 |
| neatojones | same N810. Same source files | 03:43 |
| neatojones | No clue why it would look different | 03:44 |
| neatojones | They don't stand out too badly. But, it just annoys me because I know they don't have to be there. | 03:44 |
| neatojones | Does anyone know how to annotate YouTube. I tried and failed miserably | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | how do I set the DNS search for my N810? | 03:50 |
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| neatojones | Ah, I guess they didn't turn out too badly | 03:52 |
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| neatojones | qwerty12_N800: I took a look at that file... should it be just e17.install and not e17-data.install? | 04:00 |
| neatojones | e17 has the rest of the /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume e17-data has /usr/share ...etc | 04:01 |
| zakkm | Where would i find apache/php/mysql .. for diablo? | 04:03 |
| zakkm | want to use nokia as webserver | 04:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: e17....deb has just the .so files & e binary. data contains other stuff (and png's count as data imho if not directly needed by main app) | 04:04 |
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| luke-jr | how do I debug Telepathy's SIP interface? | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | "Network error" is very vague | 04:07 |
| test34 | Is there any command line utility for scanning for available bluetooth devices ? | 04:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | install bluez-utils-test (google) and then the standard 'hcitool scan' | 04:10 |
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| test34 | thanks qwerty12_N800 | 04:11 |
| neatojones | ok | 04:13 |
| neatojones | thanks qwerty12 | 04:14 |
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| zakkm | anyone know where i can get apache? | 04:16 |
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| zakkm | where can i find php for diablo ( web server running ) | 04:32 |
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| sisto | anyone online? | 04:39 |
| zakkm | me | 04:39 |
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| tank-man | nobody here but us chickens | 04:40 |
| zakkm | any of you know how i can get php? | 04:40 |
| zakkm | really need to turn tabletinto web server | 04:40 |
| benson | sisto: not me. :p | 04:41 |
| sisto | :) | 04:41 |
| sisto | zakkm: first result on google: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/16/new-php-package-for-maemo/ | 04:42 |
| sisto | no idea how stable that is though | 04:42 |
| sisto | I just got my n810... what should I try first? | 04:42 |
| * sisto is confused by all the possibilities | 04:43 | |
| zakkm | theres alot to try :D | 04:43 |
| sisto | is the firefox port better than the built in browser? | 04:46 |
| disco_stu | hi zakkm | 04:47 |
| zakkm | hi disco_stu :D | 04:47 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: i've been away from #maemo for a while.. | 04:48 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: whats new ? i saw a cool video of virtualbox running on a n800 | 04:49 |
| zakkm | virtualbox/ | 04:49 |
| zakkm | isnt it vmware | 04:49 |
| disco_stu | yeah.. that piece of crap | 04:49 |
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| disco_stu | my mind loves virtualbox.. | 04:49 |
| zakkm | lol | 04:49 |
| zakkm | i have virtualbox on my mac | 04:49 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: vbox is awesome | 04:50 |
| zakkm | im just trying to turn my nokia into a webserver, but i cant find a php package ;p | 04:50 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: i gues there's a packeage @maemo.org | 04:50 |
| disco_stu | guess* | 04:51 |
| zakkm | there is no php package | 04:51 |
| zakkm | just apache | 04:51 |
| zakkm | which i think is odd | 04:51 |
| sisto | zakkm: what about my link? | 04:51 |
| zakkm | sisto thats nginx, not apache ;p | 04:51 |
| zakkm | http://nginx.net/ | 04:51 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: i'm using thttpd on my nit, but dunno if it has a plugin for php | 04:52 |
| zakkm | i need php include ;p | 04:53 |
| sisto | what repos do you suggest for the n810? | 04:53 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: did you check gronmayer's ? | 04:53 |
| zakkm | yes | 04:53 |
| zakkm | i added all repos too | 04:53 |
| zakkm | :p | 04:53 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=124 | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | ;);) | 04:54 |
| zakkm | what is that | 04:54 |
| disco_stu | its a .install to add a repo that holds php | 04:54 |
| zakkm | seriousss | 04:55 |
| sisto | it's a virus! | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | told ya to check gronmayer | 04:55 |
| sisto | kidding | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | it says chinook.. but should work | 04:55 |
| zakkm | my friend is going to freak | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | www.gronmayer.com/it/ | 04:55 |
| disco_stu | and search for php | 04:55 |
| zakkm | ohh | 04:56 |
| zakkm | i didnt see the -cli | 04:56 |
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| yigal | is ghostscript available for os2008? I've used my digital camera to copy a chapter from a book I'm reading. I've cropped the images so they are easy enough to read, I'm using Evince to read them. I installed graphicmagic to use montage to combine the images but gm complains about there being no gs, and so I'm at a lack for easily moving from page to page, qiv and mirage are fine but as far as I can tell one can't tell them to sho | 05:00 |
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| zakkm | disco_stu: its not working, the php | 05:03 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: i'll search another | 05:04 |
| zakkm | i did php5-cli | 05:04 |
| zakkm | i assumed that would be all | 05:04 |
| yigal | excuse me one can easily fit to width in mirage, it's just that scrolling by dragging a piece of a picture is nearly impossible in mirage | 05:04 |
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| disco_stu | yigal: i dont even know what mirage is | 05:05 |
| zakkm | its a image viewer. | 05:05 |
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| yigal | are there any cli tools other than graphicmagic on n8x0 that can poduce an ordered montage from a set of pictures? | 05:09 |
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| disco_stu | zakkm: i'll head to bed.. i think i cannot help you with php | 05:12 |
| zakkm | :( thanks | 05:12 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: maybe the dynos here | 05:12 |
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| zakkm | :D | 05:13 |
| zakkm | goodnightt | 05:13 |
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| yigal | night | 05:13 |
| disco_stu | see you boys | 05:14 |
| yigal | well nothing at all about ghostscript on http://www.gronmayer.com/ but from itt searches i see it did exist at some point. | 05:16 |
| yigal | so no one here has used gs on their it or even knows about what happened to it? | 05:17 |
| yigal | sucky for me | 05:18 |
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| yigal | i guess a deb-untu chroot could ameleorate my condition | 05:21 |
| yigal | imagemagick + gs easily + throw in texlive | 05:21 |
| yigal | ok, ty self | 05:21 |
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| yigal | no chatting, I c | 05:24 |
| pupnik | yigal: does evince work for you? | 05:24 |
| yigal | yes | 05:24 |
| pupnik | ah nm, i see | 05:24 |
| yigal | it doesnt for u? | 05:25 |
| pupnik | i didnt understand what you wanted ghostscript for | 05:25 |
| yigal | yes to make a montage of pictures | 05:25 |
| pupnik | i wish postscript had not gotten bloated past where it was in 1992 | 05:25 |
| yigal | ya, it was promising | 05:26 |
| pupnik | back then you could parse postscript with any programming language, fix up things manually | 05:26 |
| pupnik | just by reading the code | 05:26 |
| yigal | i remember trying to code a picture using ps not pretty | 05:27 |
| pupnik | :) | 05:27 |
| pupnik | the NeXT drew to screen with postscript | 05:27 |
| pupnik | wysiwyg | 05:28 |
| yigal | wow | 05:28 |
| yigal | forget tex almost | 05:28 |
| pupnik | so how do you want to use gs on IT? | 05:29 |
| pupnik | i don't understand | 05:29 |
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| yigal | with graphicmagick and its montage tool | 05:30 |
| yigal | glue lots of images together, each being a page in a book i'm reading | 05:31 |
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| yigal | then use evince to read the single file | 05:31 |
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| yigal | this is of course a trivial task on a computer using pdftools + convert or what ever tools one uses but seemingly not on the n8x0 | 05:33 |
| yigal | pupnik: make sense? | 05:34 |
| pupnik | ah | 05:35 |
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| benson | Are the images PS files or what? | 05:35 |
| pupnik | so you don't want to do the gluing *on* the tablet tself? | 05:35 |
| yigal | i want to glue on the tablet, but can't find a way | 05:36 |
| yigal | benson: jpg | 05:37 |
| benson | You could do imagemagick, or I think netpbm is a bit smaller. | 05:37 |
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| yigal | benson: is there imagemagick or just graphicmagick, which is what i have but requires gs to create a montage | 05:39 |
| benson | I have imagemagick on my N800. | 05:39 |
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| yigal | benson: does montage work for you? | 05:40 |
| yigal | w/im? | 05:40 |
| benson | Hmm... turns out I _don't_ have imagemagick installed here. Must be another boot image. | 05:42 |
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| * benson looks around to find and install imagemagick. | 05:43 | |
| yigal | ok i'll play, i imagine imagemagick is in devel? | 05:43 |
| benson | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/imagemagick/ | 05:44 |
| yigal | cool! | 05:45 |
| yigal | although the comment on the top is less than inspiring | 05:46 |
| Mousey | will liqbase do pdf bookreader yet? | 05:47 |
| * Mousey taps foot | 05:47 | |
| yigal | i want that, liqbase is sweet | 05:47 |
| yigal | this being the comment | 05:48 |
| * Mousey starts riot in street | 05:48 | |
| yigal | Does this work on Diablo too? I have installed it and got no errors, but when I try to resize and image: mogrify -resize 1280x1024 XXX.jpg I get the following responce: Killed | 05:48 |
| yigal | Mousey: lol | 05:48 |
| benson | It's worked for me in Diablo... | 05:49 |
| yigal | will install i guess | 05:49 |
| yigal | great! | 05:49 |
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| yigal | imagemagick does not appear to be inallable? | 06:07 |
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| benson | Yeah, it' looks like Anidel's repo has disappeared or moved... I've been trying to track it down. | 06:08 |
| yigal | ty | 06:08 |
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| yigal | i wonder if imagemagick was abandoned after graphicmagick was put into the official repos.? | 06:11 |
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| yigal | a chroot w/ imagemagick + gs will do it, though right now I'm too lazy to do this. | 06:20 |
| benson | Well, I can't find it anywhere, so I just emailed Anidel about it. | 06:20 |
| yigal | kind of you | 06:22 |
| benson | It irks me, because imagemagick is one of those things I don't need often, but it's really handy to have when I do need it. | 06:22 |
| benson | I hope it | 06:22 |
| benson | isn't gone. | 06:22 |
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| yigal | graphicmagick is complaining about not having gs installed but it is actually working, sigh of relief at least for my book reading goal. I guess I might decide to use /dev/null if I make a script to automate the process. | 06:43 |
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| yigal | benson: use graphicsmagick it's almost or as awesome as imagemagick | 07:02 |
| benson | Hmmphh. It's *not the same*! | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, why not package it up and toss it at the autobuilder? ;) | 07:04 |
| benson | But if I don't hear back (or if I hear back in the negative) from Aniello, I'll probably learn to live with it. | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, it shouldn't be too challenging to package. | 07:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's even a fulltime employee to help you if you get in trouble. :P | 07:05 |
| benson | Probably not. It'd be as good an exercise as any. | 07:05 |
| * benson is too lazy for his own good sometimes. | 07:05 | |
| neatojones | benson: I'm new at the autobuilder...how do I make it build a package that I've uploaded? | 07:07 |
| benson | Don't ask me -- I'm newer than new at the autobuilder. | 07:08 |
| neatojones | lol | 07:08 |
| neatojones | you too. | 07:08 |
| neatojones | Hmm. | 07:08 |
| benson | I just build what I need on-device and mostly don't even package it at all. | 07:08 |
| neatojones | GeneralAntilles: Is there a how to somewhere on it? | 07:08 |
| neatojones | yeah. that's what I usually do. | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | !upload-extras | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 07:08 |
| infobot | upload-extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 07:09 |
| yigal | the only operative diff between imagemagick and graphicsmagick is that in the latter one must prefix each command with 'gm ', but a little work with bash aliases would take care of that, or. | 07:09 |
| benson | Well, there's some syntax and semantic differences due to being a fork and changes made since. | 07:09 |
| benson | Mostly I don't want to mess with differences between my desktops and the N8x0s, although I suppose I could go all graphicsmagick on them, too. | 07:10 |
| yigal | agreed | 07:10 |
| yigal | differences get confusing desktop/tablet when it comes to cli programs | 07:12 |
| yigal | hmm great that prompted me to rsync my .vim/vimrc over to the itt I've been meaning to do that for some time, thanks | 07:16 |
| * timelE61i looks for an apt-guru | 07:16 | |
| yigal | i'm using arch so package management is going to be different for the two devices, owell | 07:18 |
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| mbroadst | can anyone here help out with getting usb networking with a n810 and k/ubuntu? | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seen http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking ? | 07:22 |
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| mbroadst | ah, hadn't seen that, so many sources of info :) I was trying to follow the maemo release handbook, thanks | 07:23 |
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| timeless | hi avs | 07:27 |
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| mbroadst | GeneralAntilles: see I think NetworkManager is interfering with the instructions given, have you done this in ubuntu by chance? | 07:32 |
| GAN800 | OS X here. | 07:33 |
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| Macer | anybody here use fbsd? | 09:10 |
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| pyhimys | Macer: i've used, but i'ts long ago ( in a galaxy far away...) | 09:13 |
| Macer | hm | 09:13 |
| Macer | was wondering if you knew the command to change the reserve on a partition | 09:14 |
| Macer | well.. on a fs actually i'd guess | 09:14 |
| Macer | i formatted it ufs and i'm missing 300G :) i figured it was just a reserve thing like linux does | 09:14 |
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| Macer | just didnt' think about it before and want to mod it to get rid of the reserve | 09:14 |
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| pyhimys | fdisk? | 09:14 |
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| timeless | macer: why not use zfs? | 09:15 |
| timeless | reserves are much easier there :) | 09:15 |
| timeless | rpool reservation none default | 09:15 |
| Macer | too late now ;) | 09:16 |
| Macer | and if you knew how i had to do this in esxi you might vommit | 09:16 |
| timeless | how much data do you really have? | 09:16 |
| Macer | enough to not want to copy it again | 09:16 |
| timeless | heh | 09:16 |
| Macer | i had to make 5 1TB vdisks and software raid it in a vm to get all the space in the fbsd "nas" vm i'm making on my esxi box | 09:17 |
| timeless | i've just about finished staging a replacement computer | 09:17 |
| Macer | /dev/stripe/storage 4.8T 2.6G 4.5T 0% /mnt/storage | 09:17 |
| Macer | i want to get the full 4.8 but don't know how to mod the fs to do it... i'll keep looking | 09:17 |
| pyhimys | tunefs | 09:17 |
| pyhimys | http://www.manpages.info/freebsd/tunefs.8.html | 09:18 |
| Macer | wel... :) | 09:18 |
| Macer | didn't know it was like linux | 09:18 |
| Macer | i was looking around now just didn't know what fbsd used | 09:18 |
| pyhimys | tunefs -m 0 /mnt/foo | 09:18 |
| Macer | tunefs: /dev/stripe/storage: failed to write superblock | 09:19 |
| Macer | well.. that can't be good | 09:19 |
| Macer | :) | 09:20 |
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| pyhimys | It think the tunefs is applied straight to mount-point? | 09:20 |
| Macer | have to umount it | 09:20 |
| Macer | hm... it can wait until later | 09:21 |
| Macer | i'm half way copying 200G to it and don't want to stop | 09:21 |
| pyhimys | It might hurt your performance. | 09:21 |
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| Macer | why? | 09:21 |
| pyhimys | On the manpage it says "Settings of 5% and less force space optimization to always be used which will greatly increase the overhead for file writes. | 09:22 |
| Macer | i don't think it's the mount point i think it's the dev while it is unmounted | 09:22 |
| Macer | hm... then i'll lower it to 5 instead of 8 | 09:23 |
| Macer | i think it defaults at 8 | 09:23 |
| pyhimys | I'd set it to 10! ;) Disk is cheap and life is short. | 09:23 |
| benson | It said 5% and less. 5% would still trigger this, right? Set it to 6 maybe. | 09:24 |
| Macer | any percent will trigger it ;) heh depending on what you are moving | 09:24 |
| benson | (Yeah, or 10; when you get that close to capacity, you really need to be ordering the next array anyhow. | 09:24 |
| Macer | pyhimys: i'm hoping the raid will make up for the space optimization .. but i suppose i can keep it like this for a while | 09:24 |
| benson | ) | 09:24 |
| Macer | benson: true | 09:24 |
| Macer | i guess it really isn't that important considering i'm only up to about 10G on it ;) | 09:25 |
| Macer | but i do have to move around 1TB back to it which is a pain all on its own.. i'm just thinking future heh | 09:25 |
| pyhimys | "As free space approaches zero, throughput can degrade by up to a factor of three over the performance obtained at a 10% threshold. | 09:26 |
| Macer | yeah.. i'm reading it now | 09:27 |
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| Macer | wtf | 09:28 |
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| Macer | -s avgfpdir Specify the expected number of files per directory. | 09:28 |
| Macer | wow | 09:28 |
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| sisto | how do i use handwriting recognition on a text input area? | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 09:50 |
| sisto | morning guys | 09:50 |
| sisto | anyone can help me out? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4176 , heh | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | let's hope the "we already documented this long ago, so why is it suddenly in a closed source header" argument works.. | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, voted :P | 09:51 |
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| L0cutus | 'giorno | 09:54 |
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| udovdh | hmmm... | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, tbh, dbus-names.h doesn't really contain anything new | 09:55 |
| udovdh | does the n810 have a kswapd etc by default? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, i know | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: which is why it's silly | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: like all linux kernels? :P | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | Which is why I couldn't really care if it's moved to free :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: it's better to have a header if suddenly a API change is needed | 09:55 |
| udovdh | dunno? this is a smallish system... | 09:56 |
| udovdh | and it did not yet swap | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: there's "virtual memory" configuration in control panel somewhere, and vm.swapiness=1 or something | 09:56 |
| udovdh | ah, ok. thanks Stskeeps | 09:57 |
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| sisto | ok i found handwriting | 10:00 |
| sisto | but I can't write a j :( | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | train it? :P | 10:00 |
| sisto | Stskeeps: ok! I forgot about that :) | 10:01 |
| sisto | I can't find the train option | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's in settings somewhere :P | 10:05 |
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| sisto | I'm watching this video: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2007/10/nokia-n800-how-to-set-up-and-use.html | 10:09 |
| sisto | it shows where it is | 10:09 |
| sisto | but it's not there on my device | 10:09 |
| sisto | I guess I have a different version | 10:09 |
| sisto | that's probably for os2007 | 10:10 |
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| sisto | anyone know how to find the train option? | 10:14 |
| lardman | hwr? | 10:14 |
| Macer | wow copying these hard drives | 10:14 |
| Macer | this shit is going to take 10 years | 10:14 |
| lardman | sisto: Settings menu | 10:14 |
| Macer | this is what i get for only having usb drives around | 10:15 |
| Macer | wonder what kind of nic a drobo has | 10:15 |
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| sisto | lardman: oh I think I found it | 10:17 |
| sisto | It's called "Add" now | 10:17 |
| sisto | under handwriting | 10:17 |
| sisto | I clicked on add | 10:17 |
| lardman | oh, Fremantle is this? | 10:17 |
| sisto | and it allows you to add a gliph | 10:17 |
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| * Stskeeps notes to himself that at this moment in time, a simple n8x0 backport of fremantle sdk would have been easier than what Mer is, but not as fun in the long run. | 10:20 | |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: new fun way of poking toothpicks under your toe nails? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: hehe.. maybe. but i don't personally believe in the direction of maemo, it's not the right world anymore to stand with your own alone platform | 10:25 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: the idea behind poking toothpicks under your toe nails is that if you then kick a wall, you forget the constant headache for a while | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 10:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms @ the comments on Gizmodo re the Touch Book. | 10:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad TI doesn't offer an OMAP3540. | 10:27 |
| * Stskeeps ponders on the hard-wiredness of finger kb in HIM | 10:29 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles pokes jeremiah_ for starting a new sprint page early. :P | 10:31 | |
| Myrtti | OY! | 10:32 |
| Myrtti | don't poke him | 10:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, would you feel better if I whittled an Official maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Stick for you? :P | 10:33 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: which reminds me that I just found my Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ again | 10:34 |
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| * Myrtti pokes GeneralAntilles with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ | 10:35 | |
| Myrtti | *SQUEEEAK* | 10:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, how's the TI-84+ coming? | 10:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles dodges and hides under the bed. | 10:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I once stabbed myself with a pen trying to get a stubborn pencap off and now I have a black mark on the end of my index finger. | 10:36 |
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| bongo|kup | good morning | 10:40 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
| JamieBennett | morning Jaffa | 10:57 |
| udovdh | does the n810 have some sort of | 10:57 |
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| udovdh | rc.sysinit script? | 10:57 |
| udovdh | or rc.local? | 10:57 |
| mgedmin | some sort of, yes | 10:58 |
| udovdh | what/where is it? | 10:58 |
| mgedmin | /etc/ somewhere | 10:58 |
| udovdh | hmm :-( | 10:58 |
| * mgedmin is trying to ssh into his n810 and see | 10:59 | |
| udovdh | want to do some stuff there | 10:59 |
| udovdh | like modprobe ext3 etc | 11:00 |
| mgedmin | ls /etc/rc* /etc/init.d/* would be quicker | 11:00 |
| mgedmin | avahi is acting up again | 11:00 |
| udovdh | I have a swapfile on the miniSD card | 11:00 |
| udovdh | and have to load ext3 before I can use it | 11:00 |
| udovdh | (yes, nice feature module autoloading) | 11:00 |
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| qgil_afk | jeremiah_: morning! how are things going with Fremantle extra-devel? More people is asking: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268537&postcount=21 | 11:11 |
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| kynde | does anyone have a good idea as to how a gtk app could notice the screen orientation change? | 11:34 |
| RST38h | kynde: it can't | 11:34 |
| pupnik_ | current resolution? | 11:34 |
| RST38h | kynde: because tablets have no orientation sensor | 11:34 |
| pupnik_ | 800x480 or 480x800 | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, just query root window dimensions | 11:34 |
| pupnik_ | da | 11:35 |
| kynde | right, that's what I'm looking for, but I wouldn't want to go polling around. I can't seem to find a gtk signal that's emitted on a screen orientation change | 11:37 |
| kynde | (to be clear, I'm not looking for a sensor, just an indication that the app should relayout the buttons etc) | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | kynde: fremantle has an API for it | 11:38 |
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| kynde | right, I am about to move to that, it's just the my apps need the feature for Diablo. maybe the gdbscreen size-changed could be the way to go... (oddly enough, the main window size allocations and requests remain horizontal (i.e. width > height) regardless of the orientation) | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh. LyX or raw LaTeX for my masters thesis.. | 11:44 |
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| kynde | got it. gdkscreen provides size-changed signal which is emitted on orientation change. | 11:47 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:49 |
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| bongo|kup | good morning | 11:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you tried the 3D drivers on the Beagle yet? | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Raw Latex | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: no, i don't have a powered usb hub so it's no fun | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i ended up on that too | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | afaik LyX isn't exactly SVN friendly | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how they hell can you not have a powered USB hub? | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have, like, a dozen. . . . | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm a poor bastard. | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should I bring one to the Summit for you? :P | 12:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I have powered hubs going all the way back to 2000 | 12:12 |
| RST38h | btw where is johnx? is he ok? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not sure :/ | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I never needed any.. ever. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen johnx | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i don't even own a usb hub outside the ones in my computers | 12:12 |
| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 15h 38m 6s ago, saying: 'wazd, nice find :)'. | 12:12 |
| bongo|kup | stskeeps: same here ;) | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, at the moment (not counting hubs) I've got 13 USB devices attached. | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: My guess is that this is a MAC vs PC thing ;) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure my screen at home counts as a USB hub | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: My pc has 8 ports or so, more than enough for me. | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: He may have opened whatever he found =) | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, MAC address? :P | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Sts: and then pressed the Red Button inside! | 12:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hum, the current Fremantle theme looks a lot like Ubuntu MID | 12:21 |
| * Stskeeps is waiting for kontorri's theme maker personally | 12:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically the same top toolbar | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-theme-devel in non-free is not exactly a nice reason to take it up | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I suspect will look even more similar with the rest of Hildon. | 12:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the Maemo article gets a C from a guy who can't spell. | 12:27 |
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| Myrtti | I deny all knowledge of everything. | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | General: leaking a rumor to iTT that Fremantle app suite will be taken straight from Ubuntu MID | 12:34 |
| RST38h | ;) | 12:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You know, I'm inundated with Windows machines when I don't want to be but can't seem to find just one to use when I need it. | 12:34 |
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| JamieBennett | RST38h Already did that last November (http://www.linuxuk.org/ubuntu_on_maemo) | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | hrm | 12:38 |
| RST38h | Jamie: no the idea is to spread rumors that Nokia is gonna do it in their official distro =) | 12:38 |
| JamieBennett | :) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | it is trivial to move MID apps from Ubuntu MID. | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | provided the non-hildon libraries is ported which is more of a clusterfuck.. | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | hmmmm | 12:39 |
| RST38h | even better idea: Fremantle is going all Moblin2, with RedHat at the bottom | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | I just noticed one little thing about the w.m.o | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh eww | 12:39 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 12:39 | |
| Myrtti | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages isn't on in the regular namespace | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | I know that the training material would greatly benefit from it | 12:40 |
| suihkulokki | intel would be happy for the major moblin2 user being a omap3 device :P | 12:40 |
| RST38h | suihk: maybe there is going to be a last minute cpu change! | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: funny news article today in danish news.. one of the bigger mobile phone companies says "need for data quotas on mobile broadband" | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | their networks can't handle it :P | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Sts: which is easily fixable by chargin per megabyte | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Sts: and setting *reasonable* price | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | which they do often, but they've tried to grab big portions of connectivity market with HSDPA broadband | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: reasonable price i agree on .. 1.5 dollars for a mb is horrid | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I guess that can be pulled off in Denmark, but people in Finland would throw a hissy fit | 12:43 |
| parazitus | just another reason to grab more money... | 12:43 |
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| Myrtti | because the telco's are coiling up their copper and telling people on the outskirts to get HSDPA modems | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true, different circumstances | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: rur4.25 here | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: i.e. $.11/MB | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | heh, nokia has their day with the telco companies over skype | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | no surprises | 12:45 |
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| * RST38h considers Skype overrated | 12:53 | |
| * lardman gives a small curse to 16bit-byte architectures | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | be thankful they let you have even numbes of bits | 12:54 |
| lcuk | numbers^ | 12:54 |
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| lardman | yeah, shame the codec writers don't though | 12:55 |
| RST38h | lardman: hacking DSP again? | 12:56 |
| lardman | yeah, putting/porting ssvb's patches to the DSP | 12:56 |
| lardman | a2dp stuff | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Itanic has a variable instruction length btw | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Variable number of bits that is, if I remember correctly | 12:57 |
| lardman | I'm just doing C atm | 12:57 |
| RST38h | lardman: Right now, how much effort it is to make a2dp work on Diablo? | 12:58 |
| lardman | how much effort? | 12:58 |
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| lardman | install johnx's a2dp scripts and you're off | 12:58 |
| RST38h | I mean, it is not just installing your codec right? | 12:58 |
| lardman | and if you want a better implementation you can install an updated bluez-utils to which I "ported" the latest sbc patches (/me laughs at the word ported, s/ported/copied and pasted) | 12:59 |
| lardman | no, no need to use the DSP at all | 12:59 |
| RST38h | ah | 12:59 |
| RST38h | so encoding happens on the main cpu now? | 12:59 |
| lardman | take a look on itt, there's a thread about a2dp/stereo headsets, I posted a link to the latest bluez-utils (which is the same version so won't break updates) | 13:00 |
| lardman | yes | 13:00 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 13:00 |
| lardman | np | 13:00 |
| lardman | let me know how you get on | 13:00 |
| * RST38h wonders if he should try making a2dp work again | 13:00 | |
| lardman | how do you mean work again? | 13:00 |
| lardman | ah, on your device | 13:00 |
| * lardman is a bit slow, jetlag still | 13:00 | |
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| RST38h | johnx's stuff seems to be really hungry on the CPU, right? | 13:01 |
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| singesang | hi | 13:01 |
| RST38h | and needs command line too | 13:01 |
| lardman | well his stuff is just a couple of scripts to enable it | 13:01 |
| lardman | so it's not his fault | 13:01 |
| RST38h | ok | 13:01 |
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| lardman | yes, needs command line, but the scripts could be wrapped easily enough | 13:01 |
| lardman | a2dp enable|disable are the main things | 13:02 |
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| lardman | and there's a command which you issue once to tell it what the MAC is - all of the above could be done with dialogs quite simply | 13:02 |
| lardman | I never have to type anything now, as soon as I connect the headset it goes to a2dp mode | 13:03 |
| lardman | so not too painful :) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | =) | 13:03 |
| * RST38h checked the tail of the a2dp thread and it looks incredibly messy | 13:03 | |
| RST38h | Kernel patches, hacked bluez utils, command line scripts | 13:03 |
| lardman | no kernel patches needed | 13:04 |
| lardman | no hacked bluez-utils needed, though I'd install my latest one as it uses less cpu and sounds better, thanks to ssvb | 13:04 |
| wazd | hola world) | 13:04 |
| singesang | hola | 13:04 |
| RST38h | ah | 13:04 |
| lardman | hi wazd | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | As a2dp is officially supported in Fremanlte, did you look in the the sdk? | 13:04 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 13:04 |
| lardman | I've only had a quick look, am still using the old SDK so didn't get a chance to install it | 13:05 |
| timeless | fwiw, i'm trying to get my xref'r working again | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | I would guess it should work a in the alpha, or they have their work cut out for them.. | 13:05 |
| wazd | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/beagle_gl640.jpg <- that hildon menu is totally not finger-friendly I bet :) | 13:06 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I don't have BT on my PC :) | 13:06 |
| lardman | will have to get a dongle which doesn't produce kernel errors | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Just bought a USB bt dongle for $2 on ebay, just to see if something that cheap actually works ;) | 13:07 |
| lardman | :) | 13:07 |
| lcuk | wazd, no but also its a big heavy carrying a 19" monitor and a box of kit | 13:07 |
| lardman | I've not had any need thus far, but will get round to it | 13:07 |
| lcuk | the finger bar at the bottom should be though (I assume its a scroller for rotating cube?) | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | lardman: btw, business or pleasure trip? | 13:08 |
| glass | X-Fade: they should work just fine | 13:08 |
| lardman | X-Fade: business | 13:08 |
| lcuk | lardman always goes on pleasure trips, he takes a few rashers and a frying pan through customs | 13:08 |
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| glass | X-Fade: you can get new bt dongles shipped from china for under 5 bucks.. | 13:09 |
| glass | 2.0 | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | glass: Yeah, I guess so. Pretty amazing that one can send that from HK to NL and create that thing for $2 total ;) | 13:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: I did take a bag full of frozen bacon to Switzerland once, no decent bacon there | 13:09 |
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| X-Fade | glass: 2.0 EDR, the whole 9 yards. | 13:09 |
| lcuk | lol @ bacon lollies! | 13:09 |
| glass | X-Fade: yeah it's ridiculous, it's cheaper to buy and post stuff from hk to finland too than it's to post anything inside finland.. | 13:09 |
| lcuk | i hope the fix discussed in itt for the fremantle alpha works. i wanna see all this properly | 13:10 |
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| wazd | I thought that slightly improved canola2 menu system would be just fine | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | glass: Yep, the postman isn't surprised with me anymore. _and_ you get nice stamps ;) | 13:10 |
| glass | X-Fade: haha :p | 13:10 |
| glass | X-Fade: i don't think dx uses stamps though and they've the place i've bought stuff from | 13:10 |
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| glass | not that i care for stamps anyways :p | 13:10 |
| glass | i just hope they would add microcontrollers etc stuff too | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | glass: dx is one of the more expensive ones ;) | 13:11 |
| glass | X-Fade: yea i suppose with it's popularity.. got some links to share?-D | 13:11 |
| glass | X-Fade: i'm looking for electronics hobby suppliers mainly, microcontrollers, usb jtag programmers and shit like that | 13:12 |
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| X-Fade | glass: I had a lot of good results on ebay by searching things from HK. But it all depends on the product, some google foo helps too. | 13:14 |
| Myrtti | I want my sed/awk pocket reference :-< | 13:14 |
| glass | X-Fade: yeah i'm mainly looking for straight webstores rather than ebay - i like browsing catalogs for ideas | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | glass: Yeah, you need a digi-key like shop ;) | 13:16 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/12.jpg <- remove statusbar :) | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Striking resemblance ;) | 13:16 |
| wazd | X-Fade: well, that's pretty simple layout so nothing offencive :) | 13:17 |
| glass | X-Fade: ye | 13:17 |
| glass | X-Fade: actually i'm looking for places that sell arduino/boarduino stuff too | 13:17 |
| glass | and motor control shields for them and such | 13:17 |
| glass | i'm a lazy mofo | 13:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, you didn't have a look at internal builds, did you? :P | 13:19 |
| wazd | web-bar would still be great :) | 13:19 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: heh :) | 13:20 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: You don't need to be a rocket scientist to make row with menu, title and close button :) | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, wazd, I think we've all decided that you're a plagiarist. :P ;) | 13:21 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: not for the first time xD | 13:22 |
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| timeless | hey, is it normal for apt-get build-dep apt to pull in libx11-6 ? | 13:23 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: oh, faded backgrounds of menus too :) | 13:23 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: but mine also has blur shader to make OpenGL acceleration something sensible) | 13:24 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm unstable version of quassel :) | 13:25 |
| wazd | http://maemo.org/static/e/e5e0335a068e11dead9b9375874c6f156f15_open_homeapplet.png | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/3.jpg?w=800&h=480 | 13:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I say we drop about 200 px on the sides so we can have your Christmas decorations on the actual device. D: | 13:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/D:/:D/ | 13:28 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: wazd, I say we drop about 200 px on the sides so we can have your Christmas decorations on the actual device. :D | 13:28 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: christmas decorations are a part of the UI! | 13:29 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: :D | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs to change by the holiday, though. | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we need a Hello Kitty day. | 13:29 |
| Myrtti | HELLO KITTY DAY! | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | uh-oh. | 13:30 |
| lcuk | replace all buttons with wazd's balls! | 13:30 |
| lcuk | his shiney balls at that! | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | on the scale of 4 to 10, how bad is it when I get a sick and perverse joy from looking at the w.m.o's recent changes? | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | just checkin | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, ? World Meteorological Organization (WMO) ? | 13:31 |
| Myrtti | bwahahahah DELETE THEM ALL! <evil laughter /> | 13:31 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: no, something that actually has something to do with this channel | 13:32 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/14.jpg <- that's how I wanted hildon menu to look | 13:32 |
| timeless | presumably one dep pulled in the rest (possibly as a chain) | 13:32 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, w.m.o. then? | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges | 13:33 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: ^ | 13:34 |
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| lcuk | ahhhh wiki.maemo.org | 13:36 |
| * lcuk installs the lightbulb sdk and runs helloworld! | 13:36 | |
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| Myrtti | meh, subpages would be so nice to have | 13:37 |
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| qgil_afk | jeremiah_: X-Fade any news on the fremantle extras-devel? | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: Repo is there, no autobuilder yet. | 13:53 |
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| * Stskeeps reverts to older hildon-input-method as it is rather difficult to get stylus plugins working again | 13:58 | |
| wazd | I have a wierd question: does anybody knows where to search for monochrome oled screen prices? | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: your designs has the sidebar gone too btw? can't recall | 13:59 |
| RST38h | yeek | 13:59 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sure) | 14:00 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:06 |
| Macer | cant ssh to my fs and have no idea why heh | 14:06 |
| Macer | maybe some sort of auth i didnt set it up | 14:07 |
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| ccooke | ... internettablettalk don't really go in for timely updates to the front page, do they? | 14:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ccooke, Reggie's been quite lately. | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/quite/quiet/ | 14:09 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: ccooke, Reggie's been quiet lately. | 14:09 |
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| Macer | oh.. guess my g1 wasnt sending a character correctly | 14:13 |
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| Macer | that would have sucked =) | 14:14 |
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| ccooke | (What little we've seen of) The new UI looks interesting | 14:15 |
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| * Stskeeps reports a bug that is possibly a bug or just a fault 40.. | 14:22 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, bugs dont exist | 14:24 |
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| qgil_afk | X-Fade: Repo is there, also advertised? | 14:28 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Morning | 14:30 |
| * AndrewFBlack Hopes talk.maemo.org is ran a little better then itt | 14:31 | |
| Stskeeps | morning AFB | 14:31 |
| * AndrewFBlack tries to decided what to work on today | 14:34 | |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: No, as you can't upload to it. It is empty. We need an autobuilder first. | 14:34 |
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| X-Fade | qgil_afk: I can enable direct upload to the queue for now, so people can upload debs there. | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: But I'm waiting for a timeline from Ed to see when the builder is up. | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | qgil_afk: Which is something we don't have access to ourselves. | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, intellisync | 14:46 |
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| wazd | Will there be some kind of VM image of installed SDK for dumbest like me?) | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | there is | 14:51 |
| RST38h | or are you asking for Fremantle? | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, presumably once it stabilizes a bit more. | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to the Maemo vmware guys if you want real details, though. | 14:52 |
| lcuk | my old vmware image did not have access to opengl | 14:52 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep, that alpha release | 14:53 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ping? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 14:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://i037.radikal.ru/0903/5f/77c737435625.jpg <- what do you think?) | 14:58 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yes, I know, task switcher is evil :) | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: how would it look in 16-bit color? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | (if it isn't already) | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, gradients are problematic. | 15:00 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, looks the same)) | 15:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: for some strange reason i think a white background would work | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: saw neatojones's e17 video? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34 | 15:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, they are visible on any background) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it was more like shininess :P | 15:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep, saw that video. Keyboard is slightly annoyung) | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: besides that, it's interesting | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | but it might get too much if there's suddenly a huge amount of bubbles | 15:14 |
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| aquatix | the bubbly icons are kinda nice, but i think one of the factors in an icon is its shape | 15:18 |
| aquatix | sets it apart | 15:18 |
| aquatix | so if you have a lot of bubbly icons, you will have to look extra hard at the picture for finding the app you want | 15:19 |
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| * RST38h does not like bubble icons either | 15:20 | |
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| RST38h | no need to turn every icon into an egg | 15:20 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: your name is joey hess in upstart, debian/dh/dh_installxsession btw | 15:20 |
| aquatix | maybe the bubble icons are nice for some quickstart bar | 15:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, yeah, that's the point I was making yesterday. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty, but in the end mostly just less usable. | 15:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish Canola hadn't picked a round-icon theme as their default. | 15:24 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah, i missed your discussion on that | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, it was only a few lines long. ;) | 15:25 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Round icons are mean to the colorblind and those with generally poor vision. | 15:26 |
| aquatix | apart from that, people are better in recognising shape than colours and such | 15:26 |
| aquatix | so it's just easier to have distinctive shapes too | 15:26 |
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| * aquatix uses the Graphite theme in Canola2 btw | 15:27 | |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: building upstart with upstart-dev now btw so we can probably get fremantle HAM | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't wait to see what sort of insanity INdT is going to churn out with RX-51 hardware. | 15:29 |
| RST38h | whatever it is gonna be, it won't use the fullscreen button =) | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Canola doesn't use the fullscreen button anyway. | 15:30 |
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| RST38h | and won't :) | 15:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hendrick was saying the system responds to fullscreen key | 15:30 |
| dneary | Hi | 15:30 |
| lcuk | hendrik | 15:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He just made it react to F6 | 15:30 |
| dneary | I'm about, by the way, if anyone is looking for me in about 28 minutes | 15:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: manually | 15:31 |
| lcuk | yeah, but if its getting rid of the titlebar isnt that doing fullscreen stuff properly.. | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: In order to go to full screen mode, you call a function go_to_fullscreen_something() | 15:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, he reacts to f6 by calling this function | 15:31 |
| hahlo | fullscreen button does some program have one? | 15:32 |
| * wazd wonders if monochrome oled screen is cheap | 15:32 | |
| RST38h | wazd: why monocrhome oled? | 15:32 |
| hahlo | button size of fullscreen | 15:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have a stupid idea of an ol'skool'ish touchscreen phone with large monochrome oled display :D | 15:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: Like those on cheap mp3 players but larger | 15:33 |
| aquatix | wazd: go with old-skool lcd :) | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | wazd: http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=monochrome%20oled&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wf | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | greyscale maybe better? :P | 15:33 |
| lcuk | old skool red LEDs would be better | 15:34 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ooh | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | i want a green screen LED screen | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:34 |
| lcuk | http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11017554/LED_Digital_Watch_Red_70s_retro.jpg | 15:34 |
| hahlo | i would like to see source of fullscreen button | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | probably in libosso | 15:35 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yeah, those calculators where nifty too | 15:35 |
| aquatix | hahlo: i think they meant the hardware fullscreen button on the top of the n810 for example | 15:35 |
| lcuk | hahlo, it makes the window the same size as its display and hides the window decoration | 15:35 |
| hahlo | ah ok | 15:36 |
| lcuk | its nothing special, its only up for discussion because roope said there wasnt gonna be a buytton to make it do it | 15:36 |
| hahlo | ok | 15:36 |
| lcuk | then 2 minutes later hendrik said "my app does fullscreen | 15:36 |
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| wazd | http://www.ewirelessexperts.com/images/T209%20RedL1.jpg something like that but much larger and touchscreen :) | 15:38 |
| wazd | for 50 bucks) | 15:38 |
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| wazd | running Mer :) | 15:39 |
| lcuk | on a lighter | 15:39 |
| wazd | I think this device could be a real punk in mobile world) | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's going to port Mer to a badger first? | 15:39 |
| lcuk | a badger! are you insane, we haven't finished regression testing on the mouse yet. | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | Ooooh, a snake! | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | apt-get install mushroom | 15:43 |
| lcuk | "Please turn off all and disconnect the wifi from your snake devices before embarking this aircraft | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | while (true); do echo badger; done | 15:43 |
| lcuk | you need a lower priority fork to run the "mushroom" thread | 15:44 |
| RST38h | What is it? A spontaneous toadstool party? | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | lcu7k: harder to type one handed whilst eating an apple | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | cool, i just saw an advert about them apple being the greenest yet, with no dodgy chemicals. though i have to say i wouldnt eat one | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, next fremantle release should have RX-91, RX-666, N100, etc, just to confuse people :> | 15:55 |
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| RST38h | N100 already exists, no? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/05/0501_dream_phones/image/nokia-n100.jpg ;P | 15:57 |
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| tank-man | lol, what is this mock up? real | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, it was found hidden in hildon-desktop ;p | 15:58 |
| tank-man | qwerty keypad looks lame, only accessable from left hand | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder when the rumor mill is just going to implode. | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh god, this is where the marketing department implodes: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268570#post268570 | 15:59 |
| RST38h | General: If all goes on like this with no products announced - 2-3 years | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hence my idea of seeding RX-666. | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Meizirkki | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | thought you died or something :P | 15:59 |
| RST38h | General: I would be more afraid of what happens when the final RX-51 does not meet everybody's inflated expectations | 16:00 |
| RST38h | THAT is where real shit will hit the fans | 16:00 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, i spent week in Egypt :P | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ah, fair enough | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | close enough | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:00 |
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| Meizirkki | internet-cafe = 6€/h | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | and no wifi to grab? or they didn't allow you to take your tablet | 16:01 |
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| Meizirkki | my tablet is still being repaired ;( | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | what happened? | 16:01 |
| tank-man | speculation on what keys the device might have lol | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | tank-man: well if it has a numeric keypad.. then it probably is a phone | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's why people are so up in arms over it | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: honestly though, why do we need kernel releases? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | like, as part of the alpha beta stuff | 16:02 |
| roope | well, the n810 also has a numeric keypad. | 16:02 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, pwr and lock button gone insane and i was unable to turn it off. (it automatically started up) | 16:02 |
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| Meizirkki | it just takes 2 weeks because they had to send it to the factory or something | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | roope: yeah, but not one where it looks a bit like the click-three-times-to-get-C :P | 16:03 |
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| wazd | if rx-51 will have a numeric keypad then it would be a calculatoer | 16:04 |
| * Stskeeps is eagerly awaiting next tablet anyway. | 16:04 | |
| roope | umm, how do you draw that conclusion from the text. | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | roope: hmm, fair enough, my statement was unfounded :) | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, dunno, but it is an open source component and it is part of the platform. | 16:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and I'm just as glad they're putting it out there. :P | 16:05 |
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| wazd | http://www.skippari.net/projects/wp-content/uploads/usboledcalgary_4-bit.jpg | 16:06 |
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| wazd | Here' the screen I was talking bout) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:06 |
| wazd | but larger | 16:07 |
| wazd | I don't even need 4 bit, 2 would be enough) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: why not mono lcd? | 16:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: they're not so stylish :) | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | General: MacMinis got updated if you are interested | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just got a Mini 9. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rest of my free cash is waiting on the RX-51 | 16:11 |
| wazd | I think the concept of retroesque cheap hackable phone with some basic connectivity is great) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you mean the neo freerunner? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| roope | :) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | oh, wait, connectivity.. | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | does usb count | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| RST38h | well freerunner has got some basic connectivity =) | 16:12 |
| RST38h | it can make calls! | 16:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's not retroesque) | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if they've improved the PCIe bus on the new Mac Pro. | 16:12 |
| RST38h | got any pcie peripherals? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if you see it in person, .. it is a bit retro | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, but can you hear anything through the lag? :P | 16:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: will this satisfy you? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: But it is open source! | 16:14 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: building qalculate for maemo requires lots of dependencies, that are hard to satisfy. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the problem before was that there wasn't even enough channels for two 16x slots. | 16:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's too retro)) | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i stopped believing in the "but it's open source" argument when i saw openssl documentation | 16:14 |
| wazd | I wonder who the hell needs mac pro) | 16:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Probably made of cheap chinese plastic too, not the obligatory bakelite | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: there were 2-3, no? | 16:15 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Well, there were actually about four or five. | 16:16 |
| jeremiah_ | And they were biggies, each of them depending on lots of other packages | 16:17 |
| RST38h | libqalculate,libreadline,libcln | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, me. | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | libgnome2, | 16:17 |
| jeremiah_ | libqalculate-dev | 16:17 |
| RST38h | libqalculate-dev should not be needed | 16:17 |
| RST38h | libgnome2 is kinda troubling though | 16:17 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Ah, I know what it needs libgnome | 16:19 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: looks like there is a different package, libqalculate-gtk, which does not depend on gnome | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | libgnome-dev | 16:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Let me get the full list . . . | 16:20 |
| RST38h | -dev stuff should not be on the dependency list, really | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | Unmet dependencies: libqaliculate-dev, libcln-dev libgmp3-dev libgnome2-dev scrollkeeper | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yes it should. | 16:21 |
| jeremiah_ | All those -dev packages are needed. | 16:22 |
| jeremiah_ | At least, whoever developed qalculate wants all that functionality. | 16:22 |
| jeremiah_ | This will make for a very large "simple calculator" :)) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a qalculate-hildon? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | qalculator | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | galculator, too | 16:24 |
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| jeremiah_ | So there already is a small calculator app, I don't feel so bad about not packaging qalculate. | 16:25 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: When qwerty12 compiled qalculate, I do not think it required all these packages | 16:26 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Hmm. I should talk to him I suppose then. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: -dev stuff is developer versions of the libraries (with headers, etc), it should not be necessary for a binary .deb | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | He may have done something differently than I did. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: looks so | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Okay, if they are not needed I will try building without them. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: my guess is that you have got the source package which requires all -dev lib packages to build | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yeah, is there another package? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: But once it is built, non of the -dev stuff should be required | 16:27 |
| jeremiah_ | It still requires things like scrollkeeper, which might be huge. | 16:28 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: the Maemo binary package should only refer to non-dev libs | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: scrollkeeper and gnome2 are new to me, I would talk to qwerty to check | 16:29 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: That's what I'll do. :) | 16:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe we can work something out. | 16:29 |
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| jeremiah_ | Meanwhile, I'll take a look at scrollkeeper (just in case) and rox-filer | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: An alternative to roxfile is pcmanfm | 16:37 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: And the real reason is lack of usable file manager | 16:37 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/03/hobbyist-brings-multitouch-to-the-nokia-5800-doesnt-fix-3g-rec/ | 16:37 |
| wazd | cool | 16:37 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: built-in is very limited, Midnight Commander doesn't quite like Maemo xterm (virt keyboard jumps out) | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: emelfm2 is just plain scary | 16:38 |
| aquatix | thunar? | 16:39 |
| RST38h | aquatix: third alternative, except I do not know of anyone compiling it for Maemo | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there some ubuntu-mid file manager? :P | 16:39 |
| RST38h | both pcmanfm and roxfiler were compiled before, with problems | 16:39 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: i hope they used some existing one | 16:41 |
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| AStorm | thunar drags in xfce deps | 16:43 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: pcmanfm, okay. | 16:44 |
| AStorm | and pcmanfm is similar to it | 16:44 |
| jeremiah_ | What about emacs? I am very tempted to try to package that. | 16:44 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't think it should be too, too hard. | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | emacs has been packaged before | 16:45 |
| jeremiah_ | Then again, it is written in emacs-lisp, so that could be a pure nightmare | 16:45 |
| RST38h | isn't it in Extras? | 16:45 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Aha? Really? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | let me find it | 16:45 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I am not sure I looked, but doing a apt-get install emacs returns nothing | 16:45 |
| RST38h | http://danielsz.freeshell.org/code/mine/emacs-for-maemo/index.shtml | 16:45 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Awesome RST38h - you rock. | 16:46 |
| RST38h | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189 | 16:46 |
| jeremiah_ | I wil try to get that in Extras-devel today, looks like it is in someone's private repo. | 16:46 |
| RST38h | has to build from the source code though | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | there is also a port of Octave, which is not in Extras either | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Dunno how useful it is though | 16:47 |
| jeremiah_ | I think I might try to port emacs21-nox, which should be significantly smaller than emacs | 16:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Plus it does not use X Windows so you can use it from the terminal. | 16:48 |
| jeremiah_ | But that is not a high priority. | 16:48 |
| jeremiah_ | I think that pcmanfm is first in line. | 16:48 |
| Myrtti | emacs ♥ | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | damn I need a emacs sticker | 16:49 |
| jeremiah_ | BTW, can you have qwerty email me at jeremiah at maemo.org so that we can talk about qalculate? If you see him first that is? | 16:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Myrtti: Are you an Emacs huggler? | 16:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Like me? | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: with pink_bliss.el | 16:49 |
| jeremiah_ | eh? what is that? | 16:50 |
| jeremiah_ | I use debian.el, but never heard of pink_bliss.el | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2856684660/ | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 16:50 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: I will try to catch him here tonight | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2903627155/ | 16:50 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Me too, and thanks for the feedback RST38h | 16:51 |
| jeremiah_ | Myrtti: Okay, that is just too much pink for me. | 16:51 |
| lardman | any scratchbox gurus about? | 16:52 |
| lardman | I need help installing slice | 16:52 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: NEVAH too much pink :-P | 16:52 |
| Myrtti | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/PinkBliss | 16:52 |
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| * RST38h chokes and quickly closes the browser tab | 16:52 | |
| AStorm | yuck! | 16:53 |
| RST38h | From the comments: "My next challenge is a color theme called Eye Cancer." | 16:53 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: if you'd only know what I've done for maemo with mah pink emacs :-P | 16:53 |
| jeremiah_ | lol 'Eye Cancer' | 16:53 |
| AStorm | Burning Death | 16:53 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: I am now starting to understand the reasons for some design decisions... =) | 16:53 |
| jeremiah_ | CAN I HAZ BRIGHT PINK EVRYTHING?! | 16:54 |
| * Myrtti looks at her wardrobe and blushes | 16:54 | |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 16:54 |
| jeremiah_ | lulz | 16:54 |
| Myrtti | in reality pink is my way of groping at my last traces of being young :-> | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | wazd, clever - uses multitouch like me (can TOUCH, cannot drag/pinch) | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Does it mean that Maemo will actually send multiple pen-down events without pen-ups? | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | pressure maybe? | 17:01 |
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| mavhc | has anyone built the Newton emulator for maemo? http://code.google.com/p/einstein/wiki/NokiaBuildInstructions | 17:22 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, re 4176: "Does this cause some compilation issues or is it just an annoyance?" | 17:23 |
| * andre__ loves being a proxy | 17:23 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | We just need to plug a Nokia hardline into the back of andre__'s skull and attach him to a keyboard. :P | 17:26 |
| andre__ | yay | 17:27 |
| andre__ | "patch me if you can!" :-P | 17:27 |
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| GAN800 | I can't believe they gave Jimmy Fallon his own freaking show. | 17:37 |
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| * RST38h calls to the Tentacled One to punish that pesky god of internet for causing splits | 17:43 | |
| LinuxCode | probably some kiddo ddosing | 17:44 |
| lcuk | RST38h, when i did it i had 2 distinct finger objects available (which had their visible flag to indicate in use) | 17:44 |
| lcuk | that guy will simply be using the midpoint and a single location, its quite simple with the grid hes got to determine the applicable ranges for even a normal single trigger | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | ie if a user pressed a single finger between the midpoint of his triggers it will more than likely show as being 2 pressed | 17:45 |
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| rmt | So, maemo5 won't run on the N810, but there is a backporting attempt? | 17:55 |
| lardman | yes, Mer | 17:56 |
| lardman | or at least parts will be backported | 17:56 |
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| * Jucato sniffs.. still no opengl stuff :( | 17:57 | |
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| lardman | well, gives us something to work on then ;) | 18:08 |
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| lardman | so, does anyone know how I should add a Perl module to scratchbox? | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | find a directory with perl modules and copy? | 18:09 |
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| lardman | done that, didn't work | 18:09 |
| lardman | I had to compile the module too, it's written in C | 18:10 |
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| RST38h | http://www.iac.es/sieinvens/siepedia/pmwiki.php?n=HOWTOs.AddingPerlModules | 18:10 |
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| lardman | well although the make install didn't work, I did copy it to the correct location and it's found, but it's not possible to run it for some reason | 18:12 |
| lardman | not a permissions thing afaict | 18:12 |
| lardman | just a general pita | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | prolly needs to be registered | 18:13 |
| lardman | hmm, it was found though, then Perl just complained about it | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Apple cut all extended keys off its wired keyboard | 18:15 |
| RST38h | the result looks like a BT one but with a wire | 18:15 |
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| GAN800 | Idiocy | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | Aq keyboard without a dpad is worthless. | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | s/Aq/A/ | 18:15 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: A keyboard without a dpad is worthless. | 18:15 |
| * RST38h guesses the extended part had cancer | 18:15 | |
| RST38h | Well, they have got some measly, original-mac-style dpad | 18:16 |
| lcuk | wasd | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: mostly cos it's silly to have something that is essentially public knowledge since 2007 hidden behind a EULA and a token.. | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: More paperwork keeps legal department asses clean. | 18:17 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, but no complilation issues? come on, having compilation issues makes it easier to discuss/convince people ;-)) | 18:17 |
| andre__ | invent some!!! | 18:17 |
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| RST38h | Ironically, he is right. | 18:18 |
| * mgedmin teaches GAN800 about h/j/k/l | 18:18 | |
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| mgedmin | wasd is the modern reincarnation ;) | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: no compilation issues other than the fact that it's stupid to have a DBus interface hidden behind a EULA and a token and the fact if i was some random GPL coder (which i thank god am not), i couldn't make a battery meter cos the DBus interface is closed source technically.. | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | PoS is impossible without a dpad. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: it was mostly in response to an encouragement that we should report stuff that ought to be open source :) | 18:19 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah, and I do want these reports. it's sometimes just about explaining some people in some buildings the needs of an open source outside world called reality ;-P | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: the existing examples of proper conduct is for example mce-dev (open source interface to closed source dbus daemon), and others | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | .. but don't spend -too- much time on it, i am just wondering about the rationale regarding some of the things to be closed source :) | 18:23 |
| andre__ | examples? urls? :) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | mce-dev is used by libosso, which every single hildon application uses, for example, and mce-dev is seperated from it's closed source component mce | 18:24 |
| andre__ | dunno if i leak by quoting, but "hald-addon-bme-dev was not supposed to be in Fremantle SDK" :-P | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god. | 18:25 |
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| andre__ | i never wrote that ;-)) | 18:26 |
| wazd_n800 | Damn, sister took my netbook away( | 18:26 |
| * mgedmin too | 18:26 | |
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| * mgedmin wonders why GeneralAntilles thinks a Point of Sale system needs a dpad | 18:27 | |
| wazd_n800 | can anybody tell me the link to a2dp setup guide for dumb monkeys?) | 18:27 |
| wazd_n800 | cause reading 300 pages of itt topic is insane) | 18:28 |
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| rmt | I really would like to know something about the next Maemo device .. it would make me a lot happier. | 18:30 |
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| rmt | In fact, knowledge of it may be linked to my intrinsic self worth. It's quite awful, I must say. | 18:30 |
| wazd_n800 | rmt, it would be a dishwasher | 18:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, you ever worked a register? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | s/worked for/wrote software for/ | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the same thing as working one. | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | but what was the PoS that you meant? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | the only other PoS acronym I know is "Piece of S**t" | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tell me how well entering UPCs/ISBNs works with the row of numbers on the top. | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | oh, you actually meant a point of sale? | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What else would work with dpad + PoS? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | then I think you misspelled "numeric keypad" as "dpad" | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh hell | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | dpad is arrow keys | 18:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles is in retard mode. | 18:32 | |
| * mgedmin scores! | 18:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's that damn dpad discussion on itT. | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turned my brain to mud. | 18:33 |
| lcuk | with accel hardware aren't cursor keys just a case of tilting (H) | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | dpad . . . keypad | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they're both pads. <_< | 18:33 |
| lcuk | OSKP | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | numpad... | 18:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles is just going to kill himself. | 18:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, just respond with "Nokia sucks". | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: anyway, prior art: mce-dev, osso-systemui-dbus-dev, icd2-osso-ic-dev, libconic, if you want a tendancy of dbus interfaces :) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | killall -9 GeneralAntilles | 18:35 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, i don't think they suck. they're just funny sometimes :-P | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, give it another 6 months. :P | 18:36 |
| * Stskeeps actually mostly cares about the possible hardwired-finger-keyboard in HIM bug | 18:36 | |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if i can find anyone as insane as to implement a finger keyboard in HIM.. | 18:37 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: first post is the only one you need | 18:38 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: for a2dp stuff | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should move the A2DP instructions to the wiki and make it easy. :P | 18:38 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: just install johnx's scripts and follow his instructions in that thread | 18:38 |
| lardman | yeah | 18:38 |
| lardman | wazd_n800: if you want a better implementation, go to the last page and find the link I posted to an updated version of bluez-utils (in contents not version number) | 18:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | lardman, thanks | 18:39 |
| lardman | np | 18:39 |
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| lardman | but you still need johnx's scripts no matter what you do | 18:40 |
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| wazd_n800 | hmm, I have sound in mplayer disappeared after the instructions) | 18:49 |
| lardman | yeah, it should be output over the headphones now | 18:49 |
| wazd_n800 | no it's not( | 18:50 |
| wazd_n800 | I can hear system sounds in poor quality | 18:50 |
| lardman | ah, it's in hsp mode then | 18:51 |
| wazd_n800 | but mplayer is silent and plays video very fast | 18:51 |
| lardman | can you see a little headset icon on the status bar? | 18:51 |
| wazd_n800 | no | 18:51 |
| wazd_n800 | i have it disabled) | 18:51 |
| lardman | what do you mean disabled? | 18:51 |
| wazd_n800 | headset is a volume applet | 18:52 |
| lardman | yes, but it only appears when in hsp mode | 18:52 |
| lardman | which you don't want | 18:53 |
| wazd_n800 | I have advanced backlight | 18:53 |
| lardman | try "a2dp enable" in the terminal | 18:53 |
| wazd_n800 | already done that, 'rock on') | 18:53 |
| lardman | good good | 18:54 |
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| lardman | so where are the system sounds coming from? The headphones or the main speakers? | 18:57 |
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| wazd_n800 | headphones | 18:58 |
| lardman | try a plain mp3 | 18:59 |
| wazd_n800 | hildon-desktop hanged... | 19:00 |
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| wazd_n800 | all seems to be setup correctly | 19:03 |
| lardman | so do you get the headphone icon? | 19:03 |
| wazd_n800 | yes | 19:03 |
| lardman | ok, that;s bad | 19:03 |
| lardman | try enabling ad2p again | 19:03 |
| lardman | s/ad2p/a2dp | 19:03 |
| lardman | I'd also be tempted to turn the headphones off (don't issue any more a2dp commands on the n800), then turn them back on and see if they go straight to a2dp mode | 19:04 |
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| lardman | am off, should be back online a bit later, try to catch me then if you're still having troubles and I'll have my headset handy | 19:08 |
| lardman | bye all | 19:08 |
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| Myrtti | lolhelp there's a swedenized american trolling in my photos! :-D | 19:10 |
| Myrtti | "... added tags: Moomin, troll" | 19:11 |
| Myrtti | oh wow. That just cracked me up. I must be tired | 19:11 |
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| wazd_n800 | when i disable a2dp all works just like ordinary HSP, including mplayer | 19:22 |
| wazd_n800 | when ii enable a2dp mplayer tells me "no sound" | 19:23 |
| wazd_n800 | any ideas? | 19:23 |
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| mbroadst | hey I finally got this n810 set up for pc connectivity, but when I try to sbrsh a graphical application it says "cannot connect to X server" any ideas? my scratchbox executes things perfectly fine via sbrsh, I can execute normal apps on the tablet.. | 19:26 |
| nikosapi | How long does it normally take for a Maemo Extras invite request take to process? | 19:26 |
| nikosapi | t_s_o: hello :) | 19:26 |
| mbroadst | should X11 forwarding be enabled, and if so that should definitely be added to the instructions :) | 19:27 |
| t_s_o | nikosapi | 19:27 |
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| lbt | does anyone know of any issues with stylesheets on Qt on maemo? | 19:30 |
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| lbt | forget it - user error - sorry | 19:31 |
| mbroadst | is anyone here successfully running graphical apps from scratchbox on their tablet? | 19:31 |
| nikosapi | I can't even get a relatively simple pygtk app to start in scratchbox | 19:32 |
| nikosapi | mind you, I haven't really tried too hard | 19:32 |
| lbt | mbroadst: via Xephyr? | 19:32 |
| mbroadst | heh, the documentation is certainly lacking.. | 19:32 |
| mbroadst | lbt: no actually on the tablet | 19:32 |
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| mbroadst | I can get development with Xephyr working just fine | 19:33 |
| lbt | you mean develop in scratchbox and deploy? | 19:33 |
| lbt | Oh, I see | 19:33 |
| mbroadst | I've been following an almalgam of tutorials on pc connectivity | 19:33 |
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| lbt | reading backlog - do you mean remote X to tablet? | 19:34 |
| mbroadst | it seems that over usb networking to the tablet I should be able to use sbrsh in scratchbox to execute applications on my host pc's scratchbox on my tablet | 19:34 |
| mbroadst | yeah | 19:34 |
| lbt | never tried :) | 19:34 |
| nikosapi | that sounds cool | 19:34 |
| mbroadst | yeah it definitely does sound cool | 19:34 |
| mbroadst | wish it worked | 19:34 |
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| mbroadst | it would make it much easier to test out things I've developed rather than having to package it | 19:35 |
| rmt | Hmm.. whenever you have an interesting idea, it's a good idea to google first, 'cause somebody probably had it before you. http://hotwire-shell.org/ | 19:35 |
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| lbt | fwiw I just scp the binary over and run it | 19:37 |
| mbroadst | lbt: I've just resolved to do that.. seems like it still can't find libQt4...so | 19:38 |
| mbroadst | thought I had installed those on the tablet.. | 19:38 |
| mbroadst | even with extras added to the application catalogue it doesn't show up there | 19:39 |
| mbroadst | did you have to install it via command line? | 19:39 |
| lbt | I've been doing a lot of Qt stuff recently | 19:40 |
| lbt | you need the qt runtime (obviously) | 19:40 |
| lbt | lemme see | 19:40 |
| mbroadst | right how did you get that on your tablet | 19:40 |
| mbroadst | I have it in my scratchbox | 19:40 |
| mbroadst | but can't seem to find those packages even when I add the extras package.. | 19:40 |
| lbt | apt-get install libqt4-gui | 19:41 |
| mbroadst | yeah, that would work if it was in my list of apps, one sec maybe I forgot to add a source correctly | 19:41 |
| lbt | it's in extras AFAIK | 19:41 |
| lbt | what release? Diablo? | 19:42 |
| mbroadst | well my scratchbox is definitely diablo | 19:42 |
| mbroadst | it looks like my tablet is chinook though | 19:42 |
| mbroadst | that might be the issue :) | 19:42 |
| lbt | rofl | 19:42 |
| lbt | what are you writing? | 19:43 |
| mbroadst | I just got one of these for free, I was going to play around with it | 19:43 |
| lbt | I just got some gestures working in Qt on the tablet if you're interested... | 19:43 |
| mbroadst | its been a hell of time getting things working on it | 19:43 |
| lbt | really? I found the docs pretty good | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how is qt performance on tablets btw? | 19:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nice - lot better than gtkmm | 19:44 |
| lbt | mmm, s/lot better/better/ | 19:44 |
| mbroadst | hmm | 19:45 |
| mbroadst | is there an easy way to just update my n810 to diablo | 19:45 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you see my video of Shopper? | 19:45 |
| mbroadst | there's probably a tutorial on this... brb | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nop, url? | 19:45 |
| lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU | 19:45 |
| lbt | (high quality is worth it) | 19:46 |
| lbt | mbroadst: http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 19:46 |
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| mbroadst | lbt: should I be flashing it? | 19:47 |
| lbt | IIRC chinook to Diablo is the last time you need to flash | 19:48 |
| mbroadst | see whats weird though is when I first turned this thing on it had something about "OS2008" on the screen | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: interesting.. i should build qt-maemo for mer | 19:48 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yep :) | 19:48 |
| mbroadst | but the apt sources list definitely specifies chinook | 19:48 |
| lbt | I'd love to help! | 19:48 |
| lbt | mbroadst: that could just be an advert | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i actually built it already under x86 chroot, so i guess there's hope | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | even if we have to compile it natively and not under scratchbox | 19:49 |
| lbt | well -hold off | 19:49 |
| lbt | Qt4.5 was released today | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:49 |
| lbt | and Antonio is doing the maemo release RSN | 19:49 |
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| lbt | and they include the animation framework in there | 19:50 |
| lbt | which is nice | 19:50 |
| lbt | again, AFAIK | 19:50 |
| mbroadst | lbt: About product says "maemo Linux based OS2008" | 19:50 |
| lbt | mbroadst: what's uname -a say on your tablet | 19:51 |
| mbroadst | 2.6.21-omap1 | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | mbroadst, "cat /etc/osso_software_version" | 19:51 |
| lbt | yeah that's diablo | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | It's also chinook ;) | 19:51 |
| lbt | oh - sorry | 19:51 |
| lbt | I need to geek up a level | 19:51 |
| mbroadst | RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0 | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | chinook | 19:51 |
| mbroadst | right | 19:52 |
| mbroadst | qwerty12: what needs to be done to up this to diablo | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | ~flashing | 19:52 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:52 |
| mbroadst | ok cool I'm on that page | 19:52 |
| jeremiah_ | hey qwerty. | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | hi jeremiah_ | 19:52 |
| mbroadst | but should I just get the firmware for OS2008? | 19:52 |
| jeremiah_ | I was fooling around a bit with qalculate. :) | 19:52 |
| mbroadst | it doesn't really specify chinook or diablo | 19:52 |
| jeremiah_ | It has some dependencies that need to satified, but RST38h seems to think they don't need to be the -dev versions. | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | mbroadst, n810 or n800? | 19:53 |
| mbroadst | qwerty12: n810 | 19:53 |
| mbroadst | I'm at: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | mbroadst, you want RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, hmm, interesting, it's been a while since I've looked at the build-deps for qalculate :/ | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i wonder if qt would be more efficient than gtk on 770, hm :P | 19:57 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Things like libqalculate-dev, libgnome2-dev | 19:58 |
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| jeremiah_ | A couple of others. | 19:58 |
| lbt | I'm not really sure it's Qt vs gtk - one is C, one is C++ | 19:58 |
| lbt | I used the C++ version of gtk which is probably not as optimised | 19:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, they both mix a lot of C with C++ code | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, libqalculate-dev is provided by http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/libqalculate_0.9.6-2.dsc | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | libgnome2-dev - don't remember needing that :/ | 19:59 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Okay, looks like I should package that first then . . . | 19:59 |
| lbt | and the 770 vs 8x0 probably won't matter at all - no HW difference that matters is there | 19:59 |
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| lbt | but Stskeeps, I reckon Qt will be heavily optimised to work on mobile devices | 20:00 |
| lbt | so for Mer's future... | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:00 |
| lbt | well, it's where Nokia/Qt are aiming isn't it? :) | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it is | 20:01 |
| lbt | and they have more focus/resource than gtk | 20:01 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: One also needs libcln-dev and libgmp3-dev too. | 20:01 |
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| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: A lot of dependencies, which might have a lot of further dependencies. | 20:01 |
| jeremiah_ | :/ | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | evening konttori__ | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, I may have used dpkg-buildpackage -d... libgmp3-dev wont compile for diablo | 20:02 |
| konttori__ | hi | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | konttori__: i forgot, your theme maker with fremantle theme support, alpha or beta target? | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | (time wise) | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, as for cln, it's there in the same place as libcalculate | 20:02 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Yeah, I might have to try that and put that in the repos and see what happens. Might break stuff. | 20:02 |
| konttori__ | Stskeeps: well, it should work, but I wanted to get a bit more finesse to it before launch | 20:02 |
| mbroadst | alrighty, sweet thanks guys | 20:02 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: What about libcln? | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, cln compiles fine: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/cln_1.2.2-2.dsc | 20:03 |
| jeremiah_ | (I saw cln at people.bath*) | 20:03 |
| konttori__ | I only invested about 5 hours for the conversion and testing of teh fremantle theme and it wasn't enough (most spent in tar issues) | 20:03 |
| konttori__ | Someone should fix tar before I can publish theme maker | 20:03 |
| konttori__ | anyway, I'm today getting the first theme that *should* work on the device (and is created with theme maker) | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | alright, - currently we have a hildon theme in non-free which we cannot use so :P | 20:04 |
| konttori__ | As I am not working on fremantle on any UI component, I really haven't wanted to do anything on theme maker until the theme is stable enough | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | and no -layout packages published (yet), hence my interest in theme maker | 20:04 |
| konttori__ | and now it is | 20:04 |
| konttori__ | Stskeeps: I'll make sure you'll get the layout | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | konttori__, btw, you should remove the quotes from your install file in nuvopearl - dh_install doesn't seem to like them being used anywhere :? | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | *:/ | 20:05 |
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| konttori__ | qwerty12: I'm fixing that atm | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | konttori__, cool. Always good to see another theme in extras :) | 20:09 |
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| wazd_n800 | why it's not working( | 20:14 |
| mbroadst | lbt: hmm went to application manager, enabled maemo extras and libqt's still not there | 20:16 |
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| * konttori__ will also need to drop all the hushhush content from the theme maker before making the release (just realized) | 20:20 | |
| qwerty12 | Don't worry, we wont mind if you don't | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | what, hushhush content on the new RX-666? :P | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | (tablet world domination lead device, obviously) | 20:21 |
| wazd_n800 | mplayer log tells me "no sound" - why so? | 20:22 |
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| lbt | mbroadst: I'm not sure it'll appear in the app mgr - it's not an app :) | 20:27 |
| lbt | if you like, install shopper - that'll pull it in | 20:27 |
| mbroadst | yeah doesn't even install with apt-get.. | 20:27 |
| mbroadst | ok well I added extras-devel, maybe its in there | 20:27 |
| sampo_ | if you like, install shopper - that'll pull it in | 20:27 |
| sampo_ | 20:27 < mbroadst> yeah doesn't even install with apt-get.. | 20:27 |
| sampo_ | huh | 20:27 |
| sampo_ | :D | 20:28 |
| sampo_ | copy paste accident | 20:28 |
| mbroadst | lbt: yeah there it is, in extras-devel | 20:28 |
| lbt | hmm - I thought it was supposed to be in extras... | 20:29 |
| lbt | maybe it's still too beta for that... | 20:29 |
| mbroadst | yeah I think so | 20:29 |
| mbroadst | definitely not in the repo for diablo on my system | 20:29 |
| mbroadst | it worked as soon as I apt-get updated with extras-devel added | 20:29 |
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| thopiekar | has someone got scratchbox1 working on x64? | 20:35 |
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| mgedmin | I've seen success reports on the list | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | there's a vdso hack thing mentioned on planet | 20:35 |
| timeless | most people just use a nested chroot to 32bit | 20:35 |
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| thopiekar | hmm | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | maemo.org is not cozy | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | I just realized I avoid it when I want to search for information about maemo | 20:36 |
| mgedmin | this is Not Right | 20:36 |
| thopiekar | I've added the repo of the sb1 x64 packages to my apt but there are still packages like the perl-devkit missing to install even the m4.1 sdk... | 20:37 |
| timeless | lol | 20:37 |
| timeless | so... you're better served w/ native perl anyway | 20:37 |
| timeless | all you really want is enough to get your thing bootstrapped :) | 20:38 |
| wazd_n800 | ok, nnow I dont have hsp icon and system sound goes thru dynamics | 20:38 |
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| wazd_n800 | but mplayer still tells 'no sound' | 20:39 |
| mbroadst | lbt: thanks a lot for your help, got it all workin :) | 20:39 |
| lbt | cool | 20:39 |
| * thopiekar wonders why there are so much repos without x64-packages... x64 is even faster than x32.. | 20:39 | |
| * thopiekar just installed ubuntu x64 for faster deb rebuilding on sb1, but he hasn't thought about an incompitability... :P | 20:41 | |
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| mgedmin | thopiekar: how much faster | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | ? | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | numbers pls | 20:47 |
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| thopiekar | there are people on the net who say that its around x3 faster.. | 20:49 |
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| thopiekar | .. compiling code in x64-systems | 20:49 |
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| thopiekar | mgedmin: ^ | 20:50 |
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| mgedmin | sounds too good to be true | 20:52 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | 10% I would believe | 20:52 |
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| mgedmin | note that 64-bit apps generally require more RAM | 20:52 |
| * thopiekar just want to try out, what mgedmin can't believe :P | 20:52 | |
| thopiekar | true | 20:53 |
| lcuk | in the vmware scratchbox i used yonks ago there is a small script which does voodoo magic and opens xepyhr logs into scratchbox and gives me a console. does anyone have the vmware image available with that script so i can put it on my laptop ? :$ | 20:54 |
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| VDVsx | solution to accept nokia binaries EULA -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/18/1817221 :) | 20:55 |
| * thopiekar doesn't understand lcuk .. | 20:55 | |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: hehe | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: but then you're not legally able to use the rights eula gives.. | 20:55 |
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| mgedmin | there's a missing comma between 'xepyhr' [sp] and 'logs' | 20:56 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, how knows | 20:56 |
| VDVsx | :) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: geek solution.. i doubt it would hold up in court :P | 20:56 |
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| mbroadst | man, qgraphicsview is sllllow on this guy :) | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, to open the sdk i have to have 2 console windows open (1 inside scratchbox and one outside) and have to switch and paste different commands into each | 20:59 |
| lcuk | on the maemovmware image i had early last year there was a single icon on its desktop which ran a script to do all this in one go.. | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | mbroadst, on which guy | 21:02 |
| mbroadst | n810 | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ahh | 21:03 |
| lcuk | thought you were looking in the sdk | 21:03 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/03/173255 | 21:04 |
| lcuk | wasnt that what you were asking for | 21:04 |
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| tank-man | thopiekar, but the scratchbox most ppl use doesnt work with 64bit linux | 21:07 |
| tank-man | lol | 21:07 |
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| tank-man | nm, that was what you first said | 21:07 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: don't remember I was asking bout epaper) | 21:07 |
| thopiekar | tank-man: :| | 21:08 |
| lcuk | oh my (slight mistake) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | <wazd> RST38h: I have a stupid idea of an ol'skool'ish touchscreen phone with large monochrome oled display :D | 21:09 |
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| * lcuk thought he was being helpful :) | 21:09 | |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: I'll make this phone my first 3d concept :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | why does it need to be 3d? i thought the trend was thinner and thinner. a fully 2d phone is the obvious endgame | 21:12 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: trends are not always good) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | would be interesting to lose4 your fingers trying to pick it up | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | btw, am i the only one here in the chan who has performance problems running the fremantle ui in scratchbox | 21:23 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: well i ran mine over a NX link so i am probably biased.. | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | nx link? | 21:26 |
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| tank-man | remote desktop i believe | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 21:28 |
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| florian | re | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | evening qgil | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | sleepy time | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | nini timeless | 21:56 |
| qgil | hi Stskeeps & co | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | oh, i'm still eating dinner | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: seems like (finally) that app developers are grabbing the chance to try out their software in fremantle environment | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot more buzz about it than the pre-alphas at least :) | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, a lot of interest in qt as well since 4.5 was released as well | 22:00 |
| * lcuk is getting it on his desktop machine | 22:01 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:01 |
| qgil | well, sure, it's understandable | 22:01 |
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| luke-jr | how long till GTK is dropped? ;) | 22:02 |
| qgil | isn't benny1967 a developer? | 22:02 |
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| qgil | I'm surprised about his comments e.g. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268644&postcount=43 | 22:03 |
| lcuk | havent seen anything specific code wise | 22:03 |
| qgil | on a system you have the UI, what is underneath, several applications... and users expect decent performance and battery life | 22:03 |
| timelE61i | uSers expect the world :) | 22:04 |
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| qgil | and still it might be that the N800/N810 can make it with Fremantle inside via Mer or something | 22:04 |
| lcuk | qgil, he does have a point though, so far the ui can be seen as nothing more than a new gtk theme. using clutter for it *as it stands* seems like a waste. obviously as things ramp up and more apps make use of it that will change | 22:04 |
| qgil | but at a level that wouldn't bring a big return rate in the shops by normal users, that I don't know | 22:05 |
| timelE61i | W/ a pretty bow :) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: i'm happy with the code given so far, i can't promise wiz-bang shiny as on the new device obviously, but something that mimics it should be absolutely possible | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | i'd even say nokia could pull a direct backport off without big effort :P | 22:05 |
| * timelE61i chuckles | 22:06 | |
| timelE61i | EBUSY | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah ;) | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | at this point Stskeeps i agree. but even i know that we can use clutter for more nice stuff soon | 22:06 |
| * lcuk would like to do some pretty window management zooming | 22:06 | |
| qgil | another element to consider is that even if the OMAP acceleration drivers can be obtained (still working on it and with a chance) | 22:06 |
| qgil | the stability of such software is not assured, or at least not at the level productized drivers are supposed to be | 22:07 |
| * timelE61i rotfl | 22:07 | |
| qgil | with this cocktail is really complex to go ahead with an official release, you have to invest a lot mor than 'just make it work' | 22:07 |
| timelE61i | given how unstable the frem drivers are | 22:07 |
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| * timelE61i can vouch for that concern | 22:07 | |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah.. i can understand the warning in the hacker editions "about" box :) | 22:08 |
| timelE61i | One of the browser managers came to me today or yesterday demoing an n810 w/ rotation... | 22:08 |
| * wazd_n800 surrenders( | 22:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: you are without laptop again or you're designing in sketch on tablet? :P | 22:09 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, without laptop, without a2dp( | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: my plan is to buy the next device just to have sweet sweet a2dp. | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't used my a2dp headphones for ages and they're so much better for my ears | 22:11 |
| * lcuk can't wait for the camera | 22:11 | |
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| * wazd_n800 can't wait for guidelines) | 22:13 | |
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| qgil | about Qt, it's actually cool that http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ had Fremantle binding for 4.5 a day before the official Qt release :) | 22:16 |
| wazd_n800 | time to pick my good'ol pencil and paper) | 22:17 |
| lcuk | yeah qgil, lots of hard work coming from that direction :) | 22:17 |
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| * lcuk really likes the qtablet stuff | 22:20 | |
| qgil | oh my, as if it wouldn't be enough with patent litigations | 22:20 |
| qgil | that now we must read about copyright litigations about the word "netbook" | 22:21 |
| lcuk | a fishing book? | 22:21 |
| qgil | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/03/psion-countersues-flames-intel-for-unclean-hands.ars | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | i am still eagerly awaiting my Internet Table. :P | 22:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | HP was smarter than others | 22:22 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: that was a good one | 22:22 |
| lcuk | lol Stskeeps i signed up to internettabletalk once | 22:22 |
| wazd_n800 | HP made 'mininotte') | 22:22 |
| qgil | 'bonetok' | 22:25 |
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| timelE61i | sTs: i want ms surface | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: just so you can run maemo on it? ;) | 22:26 |
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| timelE61i | qGil: internet table was bad because we almost shipped an internet table tutorial | 22:27 |
| timelE61i | Sts: vmware | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: and that xkcd comic? :P | 22:28 |
| timelE61i | Actually, sun had a similar thing before ms | 22:28 |
| timelE61i | But i have had trouble finding it | 22:28 |
| lcuk | there was a futuristic multitouch table in c-base :) that was cool to mess with, we shouldv hacked it whilst we had the chance | 22:29 |
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| * timelE61i nods | 22:30 | |
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| qgil | ah, hadn't seen http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/03/maemo-5-gets-alpha-sdk-nokia-fans-rejoice/ | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | comments are always fun to read | 22:35 |
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| qgil | you don't know how fun :) | 22:35 |
| qgil | but anyway, many have a point | 22:36 |
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| binky | hi eeeeveryone. | 22:37 |
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| * RST38h moos | 22:50 | |
| * binky bahs. | 22:51 | |
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| lbt | what fonts are included in Diablo? | 22:54 |
| binky | lbt, no idea, sorry =| | 22:54 |
| lbt | I'm trying to increase the font size in a Qt app and it doesn't want to.. :( | 22:54 |
| lbt | works on the desktop | 22:55 |
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| binky | Why don't you just put a settings panel where users can set the fontsize? lol | 22:55 |
| lbt | what choices do I give them? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | lbt, its a handheld device :D users can move it closer to their head. macro zoom | 22:56 |
| lbt | <pfft> | 22:56 |
| binky | LOL! | 22:56 |
| binky | choices: larger, smaller. | 22:56 |
| lbt | I don't want 14pt font | 22:56 |
| lbt | I want 1 finger font | 22:56 |
| lcuk | and with a few minor adjustments we can turn their nipples into a radio tuner | 22:57 |
| lbt | or maybe 1 fat finger font for people who eat too much bacon! | 22:57 |
| binky | just make that when they pulse [+] letters go larger | 22:57 |
| binky | lol | 22:57 |
| binky | people, tomorrow I'm going to a travel I my OS2008HE doesn't want to copy to my MMC, what can I do? I describe the fail: | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: http://pastebin.com/f3d425d66 | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | lbt, is the problem simply not listening to your developer command | 22:57 |
| lcuk | and using the theming? | 22:57 |
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| binky | /root/install-tools/tar: ./usr/share/osso-help/mehmehmeh : Cannot Open:; No such File Or Directory | 22:58 |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: ta - I'm actually just trying to increase the size | 22:58 |
| binky | and all the locales or all help files fail. | 22:58 |
| lbt | lcuk: yep | 22:58 |
| binky | any ideas? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | it could be something specific to the qt port, might be worth making a bug for it | 22:58 |
| lcuk | maemo * | 22:58 |
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| lbt | I'm thinking that - so just checking to make sure Diablo actually has other fonts - I recalled some discussion on font redistribution a while back | 23:00 |
| lbt | at least now the text is green | 23:00 |
| lbt | much healthier | 23:00 |
| lbt | unless you're buying cheese | 23:00 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i was playing around wit hx windows last night | 23:01 |
| lcuk | with x | 23:01 |
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| * lcuk forgot what he was gonna say about it tho lol | 23:02 | |
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| lbt | hmm - thanks qwerty12_N800 I got it to select NewCourier but it wont change size... hmmm | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 23:03 |
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| binky | Why don't you just install a smaller font from extras, put it on dependencies, and people'll have it when they install the app. | 23:05 |
| binky | (don't forget to make it the default font then) | 23:05 |
| binky | my solutions are the crappies. | 23:05 |
| binky | est* | 23:05 |
| lbt | true | 23:06 |
| lcuk | a smaller font? do fonts come in single sizees any more? | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | a font can be smaller at one point size compared to another | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/another/another font at the same size/ | 23:07 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: a font can be smaller at one point size compared to another font at the same size | 23:07 |
| lbt | yep - I just want to verify that the Qt stylesheet engine is working... | 23:08 |
| lbt | A) kinda | 23:08 |
| lbt | using a .css I can select a different face | 23:08 |
| lbt | but it seems to ignore the point size | 23:08 |
| lbt | I wasn't sure how Diablo implemented fonts | 23:09 |
| lcuk | ie: no matter how good the code is, it kinda misses the point :P | 23:09 |
| lbt | X used to do fixed and only later did vectors | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | ttfs mainly | 23:09 |
| lbt | yes - aren't ttfs scalable? | 23:09 |
| lbt | so it should render any pointsize | 23:10 |
| lcuk | yes font program renders to correct res with adjustments | 23:10 |
| lcuk | yes i think theres nothing wrong with the deep core system | 23:10 |
| lcuk | this is liekly an interaction with either the specific widget or with qt's understanding of theme changes themselves | 23:10 |
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| lbt | so what's odd is that the css is changing the face from sansserif to courier but ignoring the 'large' | 23:10 |
| lbt | or 14pt | 23:10 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: I just left a link to Mer in the engadget comments :) | 23:11 |
| lbt | "Additionally, the new OS supports hardware-accelerated 3D graphics" - but this isn't on the 3D HW in the N800 is it? | 23:12 |
| mikkov_ | qgil: who is responsible for http://tableteer.nokia.com/? It's been down for 2 days | 23:12 |
| lcuk | lbt, which widget are you altering here | 23:12 |
| lbt | QLabel | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | and have you tried doing font changes on something as simple as a label. oh | 23:12 |
| lbt | it works on the desktop | 23:13 |
| lcuk | do you fancy trying a qcanvas and manually drawing some text onto it at random sizes | 23:13 |
| lbt | ie same code crosscompiled for x86 | 23:13 |
| lcuk | if you can do a quick dirty test case i'd do a bug report | 23:13 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d5f0d337d | 23:13 |
| lcuk | most likely missed when trying to get the theming engine to work | 23:14 |
| lbt | agreed | 23:14 |
| lcuk | hang on | 23:14 |
| lcuk | you are specifying "large" and a specific pointsize | 23:14 |
| lcuk | which do you want to happen? | 23:14 |
| lbt | doing all sorts :) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:15 |
| lcuk | just set it to something like 21pt without extra large stuff | 23:15 |
| lbt | trying to get *some* reaction | 23:15 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | font: large "Nokia Sans:WHY WON'T YOU WORK...."; | 23:15 |
| lcuk | "im sorry dave, i'm afraid i can't do that" | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ;) | 23:16 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d50ab2b45 | 23:16 |
| lbt | Oh I tried to call QWidget.JustBloodyWork(); the other day. | 23:17 |
| qgil | mikkov_: jussi, i'll tell him tomorrow | 23:17 |
| qgil | thanks! | 23:17 |
| qgil | and bonne nuit zzzzzzzzz | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | lol lbt | 23:17 |
| lcuk | ask gnuton (i think hes the right gnu lol) or file a bug | 23:18 |
| lcuk | so do you do all dialogs and stuff using css | 23:19 |
| lcuk | or are these ontop of the normal properties | 23:19 |
| lbt | you write the app and use css to address the objects and set style properties | 23:19 |
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| lbt | Shopper--CategoryView > QFrame { color : black;} | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | do you do most manually, or are you using the new swanky 4.5 ide | 23:20 |
| lbt | means set the colour of the QFrame which is the direct child of the CategoryView to black | 23:20 |
| lbt | all manual | 23:20 |
| lbt | learn more that way | 23:20 |
| lcuk | the ide looks quite impressive tbh | 23:21 |
| lbt | there's no way I'd have gestures and scrolling using the ide | 23:21 |
| lcuk | well, you would if somebody fixed up the core list/memo/check widgets | 23:21 |
| lbt | thing is my gui is dynamic | 23:21 |
| lcuk | but still built from widgets | 23:21 |
| lbt | yeah, but IME dynamic guis need coding | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | heh, you sound like me moaning about visual studio .net | 23:22 |
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| lbt | It'd make sense to do dialogs using it though | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i prefer to hand craft my relationships | 23:22 |
| lbt | same thing | 23:22 |
| lbt | I have a graphical UI to my code - my imagination | 23:22 |
| lcuk | i hope we get some decent speedups on the fremantle device. it would be interesting to see what i can do with qt | 23:23 |
| lbt | I'm hitting CPU limits | 23:23 |
| lbt | it takes an age to render shadings | 23:23 |
| lcuk | is that through rendering? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:23 |
| lbt | gradients | 23:23 |
| lcuk | i *knew* why i mentioned x11. do qt widgets sit ontop of x11 windows (like other normal widgetsets) | 23:24 |
| lbt | 16 seconds to start up | 23:24 |
| lcuk | ouch! | 23:24 |
| lbt | <2 secs without gradients | 23:24 |
| lbt | x11 - yes | 23:25 |
| lcuk | i got liqbase up to that the other day - i had every widget id started on screen at once, loading all recent pics and images and maps and editors and recursive stuff :D | 23:25 |
| lbt | I *think* all Qt widgets have an X11 window | 23:25 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:25 |
| lcuk | its normal | 23:25 |
| lbt | unlike Gtk where only most have | 23:25 |
| derf | That's because GTK needs 18,000 boxes to put things in. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | ive started to look closely at writing a WM (after comments based on the liqbase video) | 23:26 |
| lbt | the problem with gtk is that X generates mouse events at the window level | 23:26 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090303_033416.lib.scr.png | 23:26 |
| lcuk | so i enerated the windows running on my tablet and liqbaseified them :) | 23:26 |
| lcuk | (well, started to) | 23:26 |
| lcuk | it should generate at hte window level | 23:26 |
| lcuk | but i thought qt was not based on rectangles any more (cos of 3d stuff) | 23:27 |
| lbt | I dunno - maybe you should make Qt do that stuff - then get a job at Nokia... | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and so you cant use the x11 event chain | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | yeah, the qtablet stuff looks nice - i could see myself enjoying myself with all that | 23:30 |
| lbt | lcuk : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZDG1wvvTbo | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | do people remember to set bpp 32 for fremantle btw? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:31 |
| lcuk | !! | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | that might be why everything looks crap.. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | dunno Stskeeps my fremantle feels like its rendered at 512bpp | 23:32 |
| * lcuk has tried everything suggested and still cant get it running | 23:32 | |
| lcuk | at faster than a snailspace | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | blame intel for shit drivers | 23:33 |
| jaska | 128 bits per channel? doubt the universe has that much colorspace :) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | they arent shit though | 23:33 |
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| mgedmin | the universe has more channels... | 23:33 |
| lcuk | jaska, at 5 seconds per frame in fremantle i doubt its much less | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | your experience suggests otherwise | 23:33 |
| lcuk | no, cos full screen wobbly windows run well | 23:33 |
| lcuk | and all gl stuff runs well | 23:33 |
| lcuk | but ive never had a good experience with clutter | 23:34 |
| lcuk | infact, can still blame intel :P :D | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | well, if you use compiz, you may not use any other 3d apps | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | sadly | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | they fight over the graphics hardware | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | unless you disable 3d accel for all but one of them | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | this will get fixed some day real soon | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | and the fix is called DRI2 | 23:35 |
| lbt | they both run but they fight | 23:35 |
| lbt | I run NeverWinterNights + Compiz | 23:35 |
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| lbt | compiz @ 3800x1200 is quite cool | 23:36 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, i have it switched off normally, no effects. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i only turned it on after seeing the comments about drivers - i needed a way to confirm it was working | 23:36 |
| lcuk | so i wobbled them for a bit and turned em off again | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | i even wobbled the xephyr window around a bit :D | 23:37 |
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| mgedmin | :) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | lbt, thats an insane resolution, what size display(s) are you using? | 23:40 |
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| mgedmin | 2 * 1600x1200 | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | no, 1900x1200 | 23:41 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | is there a 1900x1200? | 23:41 |
| * lcuk was waiting for that | 23:41 | |
| mgedmin | I thought the standard was 1920x1200 | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | who stole the missing 40 pixels? | 23:41 |
| lbt | yep | 23:41 |
| lbt | sidebar | 23:41 |
| lcuk | a whole 40 pixels? | 23:41 |
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| lbt | like I care ;) | 23:41 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:41 |
| lbt | 2x 24" LCDs | 23:42 |
| lcuk | im gonna have a wallmounted display soon | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | to put calendar and notes on | 23:42 |
| lbt | these are excellent - £200 each from Overclockers | 23:42 |
| * lcuk can finally take down the paper notes | 23:42 | |
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| lbt | I have one in my bathroom | 23:42 |
| lcuk | flexible e-ink display for when you are out of normal paper? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | or would that be eugh-ink | 23:43 |
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| lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ | 23:44 |
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| mgedmin | ooh | 23:44 |
| lbt | aah | 23:44 |
| lcuk | VERY nice | 23:44 |
| lbt | I am rather proud of that :) | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | what happens when you drop your remote into the water? | 23:45 |
| b-man | wow | 23:45 |
| lbt | buy another | 23:45 |
| lbt | it's lirc so you just program it to understand the remote | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | you dont want remote - you need (though other aspects will make it impractical) to have a camera and have it detecting you waving a rubber duck lol | 23:46 |
| lbt | I use the HP multimedia ones off eBay | 23:46 |
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| b-man | lol | 23:46 |
| b-man | lcuk: XD | 23:46 |
| lbt | hmm - if I did that I could do a live webcam! | 23:46 |
| lcuk | thats seriously impressive though david | 23:46 |
| lcuk | for the love of god NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 23:47 |
| lbt | I looked at a waterproof lcd and it was £1700+vat | 23:47 |
| lbt | this was really cheap by comparison - bloody hard work though! | 23:47 |
| wazd_n800 | me wants 2 30" hp purecolors :( | 23:47 |
| lcuk | what about getting a waterproof remote instead | 23:47 |
| lcuk | infact, isnt there an immersable treatment now | 23:47 |
| lbt | http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/House/bathroom/14-bathroom-pixies-drilling_Lg.jpg | 23:48 |
| lcuk | golden shellback! (omg the name is bad) | 23:48 |
| lcuk | http://mobileroar.com/2008/07/25/waterproof-phones-with-golden-shellback | 23:48 |
| lcuk | errrr david, isnt the intention to keep the water IN the bath | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | that is a seriously geeky bathroom. good job! | 23:50 |
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| * Jaffa 's just paid the deposit for a new fitted study | 23:52 | |
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| lcuk | who are you fitting in your study? | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | Me, primarily | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | heh jaffa | 23:57 |
| lcuk | are you having a waterproof telly in the ceiling as well? | 23:57 |
| b-man | lol | 23:58 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: are you having a server cupboard? | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: new 22" TV/monitor | 23:59 |
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