| GeneralAntilles | I wonder who from. . . . | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I can't imagine :-/ | 00:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, ping? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | ouch jaffa, is that the first time anyones thumbed you | 00:08 |
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| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: pong | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Nah, had a few before | 00:10 |
| * Jaffa 'll live | 00:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, where are you guys tracking bugs? | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | Actually, I'll sleep. | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 00:10 |
| lcuk | gnite | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, Jaffa. | 00:10 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: we have a bug tracker at qt4.garage.maemo.org as any other project in garage... | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, ouch. . . . | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about bugs.maemo.org? | 00:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I'm assuming we'd be OK moving a Qt component from Extras to Official Platform around the time Harmattan rolls around, right? | 00:13 |
| andre__ | yepp, i think so | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, should we just go ahead and make the QA contacts @maemo.bugs to save pain transitioning later? | 00:16 |
| andre__ | i can do that, yupp | 00:17 |
| andre__ | any subcomponents in mind> | 00:17 |
| andre__ | ? | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton? | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, where is maemo-gtk? | 00:17 |
| andre__ | it's a component, no product | 00:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So eventually we'll need to turn Qt into a component instead of a product. | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I guess we only want one component. | 00:18 |
| andre__ | yepp, let's have a "general" | 00:18 |
| lcuk | isnt there like 9gazillion products within | 00:18 |
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| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: what's the problem to have our tracker? if that is the problem... | 00:19 |
| gnuton | ours | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the only problem is that Garage's tracker sucks ,and is user- and developer-hostile. ;) | 00:20 |
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| andre__ | in the long run (if qt becomes official) it will move to bugs.maemo.org | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/if/when/ | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | (when being Harmattan) | 00:20 |
| andre__ | but if you currently want to keep qt4.garage.maemo.org there's no urgent reason to move | 00:21 |
| andre__ | all as you like... at your service :) | 00:21 |
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| gnuton | I think that Qt is okay.. and the tracker ther is enought... I don't think that it's so developer -hostile | 00:22 |
| andre__ | as you like... | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, _I'm_ not filing bugs, then. :P | 00:23 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :( | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org or bust! ;) | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I will tell you that your dialog buttons are reversed compared to Hildon, though. | 00:24 |
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| * GeneralAntilles was going to move this one to a Qt product https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4159 | 00:25 | |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I can switch to bugs.maemo.org without no problem | 00:25 |
| gnuton | but I need a bit of time for the migration. I've to close some bugs.. | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can migrate bugs for you. | 00:26 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: ok, perfect. You can do it now. | 00:26 |
| gnuton | or ASA you have a bit of time | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see 3 open bugs, 2 feature requests, and 1 patch. | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sound about right? | 00:27 |
| gnuton | it's right | 00:27 |
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| andre__ | created general-bugs@qt.garage.bugs | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't we want @maemo.bugs? | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | When it comes time to make Qt an official product, we're going to have to change the QA contact and wont that be an issue for people watching? | 00:29 |
| andre__ | it won't be an issue | 00:30 |
| andre__ | i've tested that once | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 00:31 |
| VDVsx | noob question: the bugzilla have some equivalent to "feature requests" ? | 00:31 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, severity = enhancement | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, what versions do you want? | 00:32 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: version of what? MAemo? Qt? | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Qt | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | "4.5" ? | 00:33 |
| gnuton | Qt 4.4 and 4.5, | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 00:33 |
| VDVsx | ah right like trac :) | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, did you catch http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Administration_guide ? | 00:33 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, no. but it's cool. i have something here locally too and failed to put it into the wiki yet. hmm, can i watch every wikipage beginning with a "Bugs:" namespace? | 00:35 |
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| andre__ | yay, that is way better than my messy text file here :-P | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, somebody else asked about it and I think we need an extension. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be a good citizen and hit up http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges every few days. ;) | 00:36 |
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| pupnik | ty | 00:37 |
| * andre__ adds it to his startpage | 00:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Qt | 00:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, you've got a duplicate bugzilla account @gmai.com | 00:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, OK, migrated. | 00:48 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: Ok, great! :D Thank you very much | 00:49 |
| andre__ | if i shall merge some bugzill accounts just say... | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm predicting your bug filing is going to go up. ;) | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I say yes, but talk to gnuton. | 00:50 |
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| ragadoo | hi | 00:52 |
| ragadoo | i'd like my own programs to be able to take still image shots with the built-in camera of a N810 or N800 tablet running Maemo | 00:53 |
| ragadoo | how do i do that? | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenPSA notification on newstyle.maemo.org . . . | 00:55 |
| derf | Whoa, it just got dark. | 00:56 |
| lcuk | pssst derf, thats called nighttime | 00:56 |
| derf | No, I mean, in like 5 seconds. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Big storm? | 00:56 |
| lcuk | ahh, thunder on its way? | 00:56 |
| derf | We were supposed to get snow this afternoon. | 00:56 |
| derf | I guess it is here. | 00:57 |
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| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I'm still at the phone with my girl... but I'm in bugzilla.. | 00:57 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: it's okay.. but it looks like the old my bug tracker.. so what's new? why the old one sucks? :P | 00:58 |
| gnuton | ragadoo: you can use GStreamer. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, Garage is evil and painful | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is a lot better put together | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Easier on reporters and easier on developers | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, it's centralized. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll get a lot more potential reporters and a lot more eyes on your bugs. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people don't bother to visit the Garage trackers. | 00:59 |
| * lcuk wants bug tracking and reporting directly from the app | 01:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Whereas there are at least a half-dozen people who look at every bug that comes through Bugzilla. | 01:00 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :D ok. BTW I'm happy to use Bugzilla now.. | 01:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't. | 01:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuton, anyway, you were gonna have to move eventually. :P | 01:00 |
| gnuton | lcuk: me too :D | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not now, when Harmattan rolled around. | 01:00 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, obviously coupled with a normal web interface as well | 01:00 |
| andre__ | there is at least a crash reporter avilable in the repo | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, crash reporting is one thing and email "bug reports" are another. | 01:01 |
| andre__ | errrm | 01:01 |
| lcuk | im not thinking either :) | 01:01 |
| andre__ | bug reporting from the app directly can be dangerous. depends on the userbase | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, well, if the developers wants to process that then that's up to them. | 01:01 |
| andre__ | it's avilable in gnome evolution, and i once proposed to get rid of it | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | What I _don't_ want to see is bugzilla filing from the application. ;) | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since then you end up with tons and tons of dupes. | 01:02 |
| andre__ | ah. fine :) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | the user will have experessed an opinion that they are interested in seeing/reporting/helping/suggesting type | 01:02 |
| andre__ | because joe smith doesn't get the difference between software bug and misconfiguration | 01:02 |
| andre__ | and what forums are better suited for... | 01:02 |
| lcuk | and it shouldnt matter because the live documentation should let them know that | 01:02 |
| * andre__ has seen to many "cant send mail. plz help!!!" reports in his life | 01:03 | |
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| lcuk | doesnt that tell you theres something wrong with the app though? | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 01:04 |
| andre__ | yupp | 01:04 |
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| andre__ | in a kind of way it does | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes | 01:04 |
| andre__ | but still the amount of people unwilling to invest a very little bit of time is very high | 01:04 |
| andre__ | like your email provider telling you the ports and server url to use | 01:04 |
| lcuk | of course, if its out of their way they wont do it | 01:04 |
| andre__ | "hey, i just want to do email, why should i bother reading how it works?" | 01:05 |
| lcuk | andre__, we get that a lot in dayjob, "but outlook knows it" | 01:05 |
| lcuk | because the isp supplies a disk preconfigured with outlook settings | 01:05 |
| ragadoo | thx gnuton | 01:05 |
| andre__ | modest also provides default provider settings | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yes andre__ i know and im not knocking it, merely a response to your quote | 01:06 |
| ragadoo | is there some example code somewhere for accessing the N810/N800 camera with gstreamer? | 01:06 |
| andre__ | and i agree that software has to become more user friendly here :) | 01:06 |
| lcuk | the sooner we get fluid simple usable apps on this device, the better | 01:07 |
| * lcuk cant wait to see how fremantle is shaping up | 01:07 | |
| andre__ | well, fremantle alpha was planned for february. so it should be out soon hopefully... | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 01:11 |
| ragadoo | found it | 01:11 |
| lcuk | what? the fremantle alpha? | 01:11 |
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| andre__ | probably not :-) | 01:12 |
| gnuton | ragadoo: you r welcome | 01:14 |
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| rdesfo | I'm trying to run sudo mkfs.ext3 and I'm getting command not found, does any one know of an issue with this? | 01:17 |
| thresh | hey. how do i tell apt (or the frontend "application manager") to install software to custom paths? | 01:19 |
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| rdesfo | does any one know the command to create an ext3 partition | 01:23 |
| rdesfo | mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p$ creates a vfat partition | 01:24 |
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| rdesfo | but I don't know the equivalent for ext3 | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | rdesfo, did you install e2fsprogs? | 01:24 |
| rdesfo | no, do I need to for this? | 01:24 |
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| ragadoo | good night all | 01:42 |
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| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: I don't remember if I thanked you.. | 01:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For? | 01:53 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: for the migration to bugzilla | 01:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, sure, no worries. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's more selfish than anything. ;) | 01:53 |
| gnuton | GeneralAntilles: :D Btw where are you based? | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida, USA | 01:54 |
| gnuton | :D Ok, then I've a good memory.. | 01:55 |
| gnuton | :D | 01:55 |
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| hannesw | Quick question: is it possible to hos diablo, fremantle, and mer sdks on the same machine? in the same scratchbox installation? | 02:07 |
| hannesw | hos -> host | 02:07 |
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| andre__ | hannesw, http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/multiple_sdks_on_the_same_sbox/ | 02:12 |
| hannesw | thanks, andre__ | 02:12 |
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| rdesfo | hello | 03:05 |
| rdesfo | does anyone know where I can find e2fsprogs | 03:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 03:12 |
| rdesfo | diablo extras | 03:13 |
| rdesfo | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free | 03:13 |
| rdesfo | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free | 03:13 |
| rdesfo | ?? | 03:13 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 03:14 |
| rdesfo | awesome thanks | 03:16 |
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| rdesfo | e2fsprogs isn't in extras :( | 03:24 |
| andre__ | rdesfo, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 03:27 |
| andre__ | try extras-devel | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | rdesfo, that's why I said Extras-devel. | 03:33 |
| rdesfo | ok thx | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody's been thumbing candidate announcements | 03:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't get the whole Easy * stuff. | 03:35 |
| Macer | esx has me about to shoot someone | 03:42 |
| Macer | heh | 03:42 |
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| JasonWoof | I can't seem to get ethernet over usb to work while I've got my new 8GB sd card plugged in (to my n810) | 04:35 |
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| JasonWoof | I rebooted the n810, a few times, and it still didn't work (displayed "usb connected" then "usb disconnected" about a second or two later) | 04:36 |
| JasonWoof | even tried rebooting my PC. | 04:38 |
| JasonWoof | then I shut off my n810, removed the new SD card, and ethernet over usb worked as usual | 04:38 |
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| Macer | how do you kill that which has no life | 04:44 |
| JasonWoof | -9 | 04:45 |
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| dougt | zombies can not be -9'ed. | 04:45 |
| JasonWoof | too true | 04:46 |
| Macer | i'm watching the world of warcraft south park | 04:46 |
| dougt | Macer: you should spend that time leveling! | 04:47 |
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| Macer | dougt: haha | 04:48 |
| Macer | i couldn't get into wow that much | 04:49 |
| Macer | it got boring and i only got up to lvl 40 | 04:49 |
| fireun | Macer: its not on! man, I turned on the TV and went looking | 04:49 |
| fireun | hulu I guess | 04:49 |
| Macer | fireun: i'm watching it on my popcornhour | 04:49 |
| Macer | "we need to login and stay in the forest killing boars" | 04:50 |
| Macer | haha | 04:50 |
| dougt | Macer: that game starts when you are at the lvl 60, err.. 70, f@#$ 80. and have good gear. | 04:51 |
| Macer | dougt: and by the time i got to 80... it would be 90 | 04:51 |
| dougt | yeah, i feel the same. | 04:51 |
| Macer | :) and so on and so forth ... it is like chasing the dragon | 04:52 |
| dougt | yeah, you can do that too. | 04:52 |
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| Macer | blizzard had to have helped them with this episode | 04:54 |
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| Macer | their logo is correct.. it's almost like they allowed them to do it | 04:54 |
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| Mousey | nice | 05:56 |
| FireFox16 | hehe :) | 05:56 |
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| jchamm | Hello. Is it possible to have keyboard shortcuts with a USB keyoard? | 06:00 |
| jchamm | I cannot fnd a definitive answer. | 06:00 |
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| neatojones | I've got e17 packages that will get it running for anyone who wants to try them. I just need a place to upload them to | 06:15 |
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| neatojones | also, is anyone here good with .deb packaging? I got e17 up and running with my builds, but it didn't include some files I wanted it to include. | 06:16 |
| Mousey | packaging for maemo? (a matchbox replacement??) or deblet or something else? | 06:18 |
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| neatojones | Mer. They should work in deblet and might work in Maemo. If you tried them in maemo, you'd have to have a way to kill hildon and start enlightenmen_start | 06:20 |
| FireFox16 | neatojones: you can ask andrewfblack for some server space if you need a mirror ;) | 06:22 |
| neatojones | yeah. I would definitely need that. Otherwise, I'm sure I can find a spot to throw them into on the net for now. | 06:23 |
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| jchamm | Do shortcuts work with USB keyboards/ | 06:49 |
| jchamm | ? | 06:49 |
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| * neatojones just finished making a new e17 how to on ITT. If you want to try it, head on over and try the new way. | 07:25 | |
| fireun | I just download the image and flash the tablet... right? (; | 07:27 |
| neatojones | fireun: I'd probably avoid anything involving flashing and Mer right now ;) | 07:34 |
| neatojones | I could really use some people to help me by giving suggestions on how to fix the probs we're experiencing. | 07:35 |
| neatojones | By the way, just a hint for anyone reading this: No matter how good of an idea it may seem to use a pen for you tablet...it's not. | 07:37 |
| Proteous | what about sharp rocks? | 07:38 |
| neatojones | depends... | 07:38 |
| neatojones | if you're lost in the wilderness with your dead tablet and you need to strike a rock on something to make a fire... | 07:39 |
| neatojones | then it's ok. | 07:39 |
| Proteous | might be better off hitting the battery with the rock | 07:40 |
| Proteous | just don't get too close | 07:40 |
| neatojones | either way, pens don't make good firestarters and *apparently can also write on your screen if they happen to be open and you don't know it. | 07:41 |
| neatojones | :) | 07:41 |
| Proteous | doh | 07:41 |
| Proteous | just use some whiteout | 07:41 |
| neatojones | lol | 07:41 |
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| * neatojones carefully applies whiteout to his N810 screen, being careful to stay within the lines. | 07:43 | |
| neatojones | didn't work. I guess it's time for a new screen protector. | 07:44 |
| neatojones | Thing lasted me 5 months and I bought it at walmart as for 48cents for a cubic yard | 07:45 |
| Proteous | nice | 07:45 |
| Proteous | don't you mean a square yard though? | 07:45 |
| neatojones | no, it's a solid block. :) | 07:45 |
| Proteous | :P | 07:45 |
| neatojones | ok, fine, you're right | 07:45 |
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| luke-jr | wtf? | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | whiteout? | 08:04 |
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| neatojones | luke-rj: I was joking. | 08:18 |
| neatojones | I'm not THAT stupid. No, I'm only stupid enough to use a pen as a stylus while it was open. | 08:19 |
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| udovdh | hello | 09:00 |
| udovdh | how to debug a n810 booting itself? | 09:00 |
| udovdh | it had been sniffing wifi for over 1 hours | 09:00 |
| udovdh | and I started aircrack when it happened | 09:00 |
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| RST38h | that is probably due to the watchdog | 09:09 |
| RST38h | and my guess is that whatever you used to sniff wifi, leaks memory | 09:09 |
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| udovdh | RST38h, watchdog? | 09:19 |
| udovdh | oom killer ? | 09:19 |
| udovdh | maybe I should enable some swap and see if it happens less? | 09:19 |
| udovdh | airodump-ng is the tool | 09:20 |
| udovdh | and aircrack was started just before the reboot | 09:20 |
| udovdh | so check the free memory every now and then? | 09:20 |
| Proteous | not really a lot you can do even if you can tell what the problem is | 09:24 |
| udovdh | stop the leaking program? | 09:25 |
| udovdh | that should free the memory | 09:25 |
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| lardman | morning all | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | how's india? | 09:40 |
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| lardman | certainly better weather than back in the UK | 09:41 |
| lardman | I just got back last night | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | still jetlagged? | 09:41 |
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| Macer | awesome | 09:41 |
| Macer | i got my new esxi box up and running on my beast :) | 09:42 |
| Macer | with my areca raid working too.. 6.37TB of formatted space | 09:42 |
| * Macer pats himself on the back | 09:42 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yeah I think so, woke up early, but tired | 09:43 |
| lardman | Macer: 6.37TB is quite a few :) | 09:43 |
| Macer | heh | 09:44 |
| Macer | took me a while to get it going.. guys in #vmware were pretty helpful considering i wasn't to keen on how raids worked | 09:44 |
| lardman | anything exciting happen Maemo-wise in the last week? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | QTablet on planet.maemo.org seems interesting, the usual "nokia in hibernation" thread and council nominations | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and definately vmware on n800 if you didn't see the video | 09:46 |
| lardman | no alpha sdk yet? | 09:46 |
| lardman | no, didn't see that, will have to look for the video | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | pmo has it | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does jffs2 take more internal memory or something? | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | hmm? | 09:47 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12, how're you? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | like, taking up more memory when in use than lets say ext3 | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman :), I'm good thanks, how's India going? :) | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome back, lardman. | 09:48 |
| lardman | just got back, was good | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time to decide whether you want to run again. ;) | 09:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea. might do but I hear it's more about it taking CPU due to the compression | 09:49 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: hi, yes, will look through the email and see what people are saying | 09:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "We want lardman! We want lardman!" :P | 09:49 |
| lardman | I didn't think people would be campaigning for me, just wanted to see what the current applicants' plans were, etc | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | Who's gonna nominate him? ;) | 09:51 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I mean, which one of us is gonna send the email to nominate him | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of his other personalities, probably. | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | (1st sentence sounded rude, sorry) | 09:52 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I'm used to it ;) | 09:52 |
| hahlo | elections somewhere? | 09:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hahlo, http://maemo.org/community/council/996cbe4a032c11de828a4110ce25015a015a/ | 09:54 |
| jaem | hello | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | konttori__, in your install file, don't quote any of your paths | 09:56 |
| jaem | how does Canola's video player compare to MPlayer in terms of performance? e.g. if I encode using a preset for MPlayer, will I have any issues? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i -really- wonder if root-mounted, even if not existing, is just a tool to create a first connection to DSME. | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it doesn't WD | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | If you want to find out, I can make an stripped down initfs that you can gdb, strace whatever with | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, Canola uses MPlayer. | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, exactly the same (at least in fullscreen) | 10:00 |
| jaem | okay - thanks. I thought that, but then my misconception changed it's mind, and became wrong ;) | 10:00 |
| jaem | also, does Drano work to clear clogged pipes in Unix? | 10:01 |
| jaem | just kidding | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, spammer with the name of barackhnobama on itt | 10:01 |
| jaem | you never know, it could be him... | 10:01 |
| jaem | but that seems unlikely | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, sure, but only if you pour it directly on the mobo. ;) | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 10:02 |
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| jaem | ...last year, I was running an autoconf script for a program I was compiling from sources from the web, and it errored out because it couldn't find the data it had "cached" in /dev/null | 10:04 |
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| jaem | night everyone - thanks | 10:08 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:24 |
| RST38h | moo all | 10:24 |
| ukki | morning | 10:24 |
| RST38h | what is ne and exciting in maemo world? | 10:25 |
| RST38h | s/ne/new | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is OpenPSA new? | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Morning :)) | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, but why do you ask? | 10:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got a notice email with a newstyle.maemo.org link in it for adv-backlight | 10:26 |
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| X-Fade | Probably somebody worked on newstyle then ;) | 10:27 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: belated commiserations on your birthday ;-) | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Thanks ;) | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | I got to miss my own birthday party though ;( | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timelE61i | 10:29 |
| timelE61i | hi | 10:29 |
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| ukki | hmm, my karma got over doubled, now i can run for council | 10:34 |
| timelE61i | hEh | 10:38 |
| ukki | i'd rather not get karma from itt though | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | negative karma? ;) | 10:39 |
| ukki | heh, is that possible? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | not sure.. sometimes i wish i could downvote iTT posts though | 10:40 |
| X-Fade | if ($username == ukki) $itt_karma = $itt_karma * -1; | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ukki, did you add your profile link? | 10:40 |
| ukki | yes | 10:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather not | 10:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! | 10:40 |
| ukki | well, i know it's an option | 10:40 |
| ukki | but i guess it's just an attitude problem | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think my new karma whoring strategy is going to be migrating projects from the Garage tracker. ;) | 10:43 |
| ukki | :) | 10:43 |
| ukki | i just find the itt thanks a little unfair | 10:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 10:44 |
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| X-Fade | ukki: I see it as a rating by your peers. Gives better insight than just a large number of posts to a forum? | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's the whole opinion factor, I guess. | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's the same for Planet and Downloads. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, if we were to determine based on posts to forum, frank.wagner would get a lot of karma | 10:46 |
| monkeyiq | heh, karma whoring just seems like to good a paradox :) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | I can see that it can hurt people who are playing advocate of the devil the whole time though. | 10:46 |
| ukki | how is it calculated? | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma | 10:47 |
| ukki | thanks | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:50 |
| lardman | hmm, /me still has 44 karma for discussion | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | not a good morning, but morning none the less | 10:51 |
| lardman | Myrtti: why not good? | 10:52 |
| Myrtti | http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/54813620 <-- catches the essentials | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: i usually do one of these two on monday mornings: drop some coffee/cola in my work keyboard or 2) forget my password i just changed | 10:53 |
| RST38h | *almost* != *on* | 10:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, punching a hole in the wall is always fun. ;) | 10:53 |
| RST38h | so, not exactly a bad thing =) | 10:53 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: well, I did end up sweeping the floor dry with about the only clean t-shirt I had | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | since that was the closest thing at hand | 10:54 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: until you choose a concrete one rather than plasterboard ;) | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | General: not everyone has drywall | 10:54 |
| lardman | I imagine punching a plasterboard wall and managing to line up with one of the nails would also make your day even worse | 10:55 |
| lardman | :) | 10:55 |
| * RST38h makes a mental note on how the same building material has three completely different names in three countries | 10:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, then, either you succeed and feel like a major badass or you fail and break your hand. Either way, you're mind's off whatever made you punch the wall in the first place. :D | 10:55 |
| lardman | true :D | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | but anyway, I feel like a winner | 10:56 |
| hahlo | Myrtti: are you candidate in elections? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | General: "If you wake up thinking that something absolutely terrible is going to happen with you today, EAT A LIVE TOAD, thus insuring that nothing more terrible is going to happen" | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | hahlo: thank god, no | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | Myrrti for council chair! | 10:57 |
| hahlo | i second | 10:57 |
| Myrtti | I don't think I have enough karma | 10:58 |
| hahlo | that could bring more women for maemo | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 21 | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad. | 10:58 |
| ukki | go show some attitude at itt, you will get there quickly | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | how much karma do you need? :P | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 100 to stand | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just syndicate your Jaiku feed to Planet. ;) | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | that | 10:59 |
| hahlo | how you get karma? | 10:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma | 10:59 |
| inz | hahlo, you have to prove that you have no life | 10:59 |
| inz | hahlo, the less life, the more karma | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | If the password is not changed, the account will be locked on February | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | 9th, 2009. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | .. uh. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | (just got that e-mail) | 11:00 |
| inz | Sts, xD | 11:00 |
| hahlo | heh heh | 11:00 |
| Myrtti | whee. 21 karma | 11:00 |
| * ukki thanks inz for the useful post | 11:00 | |
| inz | ukki, which one? | 11:00 |
| ukki | the no life | 11:01 |
| inz | ukki, ahh, that one, I specialize in useful quips on IRc | 11:01 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I don't have enough maemo related jaikus or blog entries or anyting | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hurtful things, inz, hurtful things. :( | 11:01 |
| inz | GA, I'm sorry if I insulted you | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 11:02 |
| * Myrtti pokes X-Fade | 11:02 | |
| hahlo | but couldn't you bend the rules if candidate is beautiful woman like Myrtti :) | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Striking yet another major victory for equality of the sexes? ;) | 11:03 |
| Myrtti | "beautiful" can be discussed, I don't think I'm eligible in that category | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | then we would have to give 3x karma to GeneralAntilles, i mean, see that devious smile on his avatar :P | 11:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I fail on the "woman" part, though. :P | 11:03 |
| Myrtti | besides, I only just wiggled my way away from the board of FLUG etc. | 11:04 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo rzr_ | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Stop touching meeeeee! | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | Sorry, I have seen a lot of Jeff Dunham this weekend ;) | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: sorry, I used selfhelp and figured an answer to my own question | 11:06 |
| keesj | where can I by a cheap n810? | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | keesj: expansys.com had some | 11:06 |
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| rzr_ | hi | 11:07 |
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| rzr_ | I am back from vacations | 11:07 |
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| lardman | anyone happen to know why headphones with controls (e.g. the ones I think come with the N95) don't work with the n810 (the microphone bit only)? | 11:07 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Because there is no software support. | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | lardman: But there was this audio app which supported it. | 11:08 |
| lardman | I'd assumed the microphone was a direct connection? | 11:08 |
| lardman | ah, was there, do you happen to remember the name? | 11:08 |
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| Jaffa | timeless/timelE61i: ping | 11:10 |
| keesj | Jaffa: would you consider 250 pount cheap? | 11:10 |
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| lardman | right, I've updated bluez-utils with the latest patches for SBC from bluez-4.32 | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | keesj: http://www.expansys.nl/p.aspx?i=158520 | 11:11 |
| lardman | ARM-only atm | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | keesj: 234,99 | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | keesj: no | 11:11 |
| timelE61i | pOnhg | 11:12 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=18 | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Which code example ;) | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | *with | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no, sorry this was the BT one :( | 11:15 |
| lardman | yeah, avrcp stuff | 11:15 |
| lardman | thanks anyway | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Had to do something with resistance.. | 11:16 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg11397.html | 11:16 |
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| lardman | yep, for the controls, but the microphone doesn't seem to work either | 11:16 |
| lardman | cool, will re-read that thread, thanks :) | 11:17 |
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| * lardman is stunned at the cost of the WH-700 heaphones | 11:17 | |
| lardman | but perhaps they are just decent | 11:17 |
| lardman | the hs-48 doesn't seem to be listed as being included in the retail package any more (I had to actually find my broken pair and look for the number) | 11:18 |
| * RST38h ended up buying a pair of cheap BT headphones at the AT&T store (horror!) | 11:19 | |
| X-Fade | When I used skype when I was on holiday, I even noticed that when inserting a regular headset the mic got disabled too. | 11:19 |
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| RST38h | Theoretically, they are supposed to support A2DP, too bad that none of my devices can stream it | 11:19 |
| lardman | Yeah it works fine with a2dp on the GoogleTalk app, but I didn't want to take another charger for my headset | 11:20 |
| lardman | not a2dp, hsp of course | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: how was maemo-xkb-plugin? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | i forgot to include it in images | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | First Moorestown MID announced | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | By LG. Hmm | 11:27 |
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| lardman | bbl | 11:28 |
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| RST38h | Human being processed by one of our future robotic overlords: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/robot-transport-03-01-09.jpg =) | 11:47 |
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| inz | A little quick hack to play/pause the built-in media player with headphones button: http://pastebin.com/d790c7f28 | 12:03 |
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| inz | This probably works only with wired (bundled) headphones, not bt ones | 12:03 |
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| inz | Tried with N95 headphones which had many nice buttons, but they produce no signals. :/ | 12:04 |
| andre__ | inz: can you attach that piece of code to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 ? | 12:05 |
| inz | andre, I can, although I don't see it too useful as the bug is fixed in fremantle (and won't be in diablo) | 12:07 |
| andre__ | but there's people subscribed interested in this for diablo... | 12:07 |
| inz | andre, dat be true | 12:07 |
| * andre__ just trying to keep information in one place for the sake of easy sharing | 12:08 | |
| inz | andre, but still, it would probably be better to package and release the package | 12:08 |
| inz | andre, but I'll post there as-is, maybe the package comes later. | 12:08 |
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| inz | andre, there he goes. | 12:11 |
| andre__ | cool. thanks! | 12:11 |
| andre__ | well, maybe someone picks it up. hence the sharing :) | 12:12 |
| inz | I can surely package it myself, just didn't have the time atm | 12:16 |
| hannesw | *sigh* does dpkg-buildpackage always rebuild from scratch? | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: s/freemantle/fremantle/g :> | 12:18 |
| timelE61i | you forgot --no-clobber :) | 12:18 |
| hannesw | just waited an hour for webkit to build, then it complained about the missing Maintainer field in debian/control, and now it's starting again :-( | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | (i always think of free willy when i hear fremantle, not sure why.) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | hannesw: you can always -nc but it's not good :P | 12:18 |
| hannesw | Stskeeps: thanks, will use it next time | 12:19 |
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| inz | hannesw, I usually use fakeroot debian/rules binary when I don't want to build from scratch | 12:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Oops. Thanks Stskeeps. Always embarassing when you don't spell an Australian wind correctly. | 12:20 |
| hannesw | thanks, inz. | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i really wonder why we even say fremantle since in would be even more efficient to say maemo 5 :P | 12:22 |
| jeremiah_ | heh, good point. | 12:23 |
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| jeremiah_ | Well, every project has to have a 'code name' | 12:23 |
| * Stskeeps used to have codenames for his releases too but gave up on it | 12:23 | |
| Stskeeps | (in a former project) | 12:23 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: btw, do your responsibilities also include light changes to packages, like hildonization, making "right button" functionality work etc? | 12:24 |
| jeremiah_ | Though it can be useful when you get (version 5.4.1.1) | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: If you say maemo 5, there will be an instant controversy over maemo vs Maemo :) | 12:24 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Happy to help if I can, my repsonsibilities are not defined to prevent me. Though my knowledge of hildon might be a stumbling block. | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: I don't think it is THAT involved, basically just swapping an icon bar and moving the menu :) | 12:25 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Sounds fun actually. :) | 12:26 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: if that is something you consider part of the job, there is a bunch of GTK/Gnome desktop programs just waiting to be hildonized and packaged properly | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, your N810 is coming with a taser colar. You'll need to put on the colar in order to activate the tablet. Any future mistakes will be corrected with a small 50,000 volt shock. :D | 12:28 |
| jeremiah_ | w00t! | 12:28 |
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| jeremiah_ | Just what I need to wake up and concentrate - a taser blast | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: s/colar/collar/ ;-) | 12:28 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: The most obvious ones that come to mind are Qalculate and RoxFiler (qwerty12 has them compiled but not packaged and not in extras) | 12:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles zzzzzttzzzzzzsssszsssttt | 12:28 | |
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| jeremiah_ | AAIIIIIEEEEEE! | 12:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Those defintiely sound like things that should be in maemo. | 12:34 |
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| aantn | what's the proper way to uninstall scratchbox on ubuntu? | 12:37 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: there is plenty of GTK/Gnome packages that are simple and small enough to fit on the tablet but need a few small UI changes | 12:38 |
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| * RST38h 's personal request is of course LinuxDC++ (also compiled by qwerty12 but having UI problems) | 12:39 | |
| inz | Is anyone interested in a packaged headphonebutton-daemon? | 12:41 |
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| inz | Maybe if it had support for canola too; does canola have a D-Bus API (or does it use osso media server?) | 12:41 |
| RST38h | inz: Is it a good idea to run it as a daemon though? | 12:42 |
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| inz | RST, where should it be integrated then? (I kept it raw D-Bus to keep fingerprint as small as possible) | 12:44 |
| inz | RST, a status bar plugin would also be possible, but who'd like to waste one slot for such | 12:45 |
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| timelE61i | inz: i'm interested in packaging help ;) | 12:50 |
| RST38h | inz: ideally, it would have to run and quit together with the media player | 12:50 |
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| inz | RST, I can think two ways of doing that, neither of which are any good | 12:51 |
| RST38h | "Guinea-Bissau president 'killed in clash between rival soldiers'" <--- got in the way =) | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patch DSME or something? | 12:51 |
| RST38h | inz: yea :( | 12:51 |
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| RST38h | General: There are simpler ways but still not good | 12:52 |
| inz | RST, 1) create _another_ daemon that listens for start events and handles starting, and 2) dpkg-divert media engine start binary and replace with a script that does some magic | 12:52 |
| RST38h | inz: I was thinking about #2 but it is ugly | 12:52 |
| inz | RST, indeed it is | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.9 <- new mer release | 12:53 |
| inz | *graah* my laptop really hates the uni's WLAN... | 12:53 |
| inz | I get at least one crash / day | 12:54 |
| inz | 'tis really annoying | 12:54 |
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| RST38h | Some VPN software? | 12:55 |
| Macer | ugh | 12:57 |
| Macer | this esxi box is xfering at 6.3MB/s | 12:57 |
| Macer | wtf | 12:57 |
| Macer | i don't even know why... maybe it's the switch.. or the shuttle box | 12:57 |
| Macer | but 6.2MB/s is like... 100mbit speed | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's 11-12mb/s :P | 12:58 |
| Macer | haha | 12:58 |
| Macer | this is horrible | 12:58 |
| Macer | but it's the only practical way i can do this | 12:58 |
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| * Myrtti cries in desperation | 12:59 | |
| Myrtti | today isn't my day | 12:59 |
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| * Stskeeps makes Myrtti a calming cup of tea | 12:59 | |
| inz | RST, nope, just some enterprise WPA | 13:00 |
| thresh | grr, maemo mapper keeps crashing. is there a way from GUI to check why? | 13:00 |
| thresh | and will the device work fine if i symlink /usr/ to internal flash? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 13:02 |
| thresh | how do i install scummvm games then :) | 13:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | thresh, | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 13:03 |
| infobot | it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 13:03 |
| thresh | looks more like a workaround. thank you though. | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: nah, not a workaround, it is the way to do it | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | and the one most people use :P | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symlinking /usr is a workaround. | 13:05 |
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| thresh | right, i was more thinking of "after boot" unionfs | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | hm | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen Meizirkki | 13:06 |
| infobot | meizirkki <n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-fee7dc00-167.dhcp.inet.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 20h 32m 49s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: cx3110x working on 770 with 2.6.28 ??'. | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | thresh, there's no advantage | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: no unionfs :P | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NAND is small, slow (JFFS2), and tossing in the card kills battery life and adds failure points. | 13:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Booting from SD is faster and gives you a bootable backup. | 13:09 |
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| thresh | makes sense | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | is it alpha day today? | 13:15 |
| * Stskeeps just saw pool/ | 13:15 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, nice catch. | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's yerga with the screenshots? | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | whoa whoa | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | rx71 | 13:17 |
| * andre__ still waits for the announcement itself | 13:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, this is where they announce they're dropping Symbian. :P | 13:18 |
| glass | haha | 13:19 |
| hahlo | is sdcard booting really faster? | 13:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hahlo, depending on your card | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and mostly because it's not a compressed filesystem | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes. | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | And SD cards can be a lot faster than the internal flash card. | 13:24 |
| hahlo | oh cool didn't know that thought the opposite | 13:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, seriously, WTF is RX-71? | 13:25 |
| lbt | a mazda? | 13:25 |
| * timelE61i yells fire and asks people to change the subject | 13:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, -1 | 13:25 |
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| qgil | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_5_alpha_sdk_released/ | 13:26 |
| timelE61i | hi qgil | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, this is where Nokia shuts down Maemo SW and ships all of its engineers off to the moon. | 13:26 |
| timelE61i | All 3 of them | 13:26 |
| andre__ | yay, announcement | 13:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, qgil, kernel sources looks fun again. :) | 13:26 |
| lbt | qgil: oooh | 13:26 |
| * timelE61i notes that the lawyers complained about them over lunch :) | 13:27 | |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, caught it 10 minutes ago :> | 13:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, I say we print them out and launch them out of a cannon at them. ;) | 13:28 |
| qgil | and now time for me to lunch, I'vbe got 60" before the cantine closes | 13:28 |
| qgil | I'll be back here after that | 13:28 |
| timelE61i | 30min | 13:28 |
| timelE61i | Take an n810 and chat over lunch ;) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. vibra API | 13:29 |
| timelE61i | Hey, sts, you volunteered to test something for me | 13:29 |
| timelE61i | (new deb) | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | We know what Stskeeps is gonna do with that. :P | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: running a 30 min test on flashable Mer and it hasn't crashed yet, but after that and calming my nerves with coffee | 13:30 |
| timelE61i | I'm told you aren't supposed to engage in extended use | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | then sure | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_release_notes/ <- 404 | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | btw | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh. | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | OHM | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Rights issue, will be fixed. | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | yOur timing for releasing 0.9 is unfortunate ;) | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, 0.10 or 1.0? ;) | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | When do we get 0.10 ;? | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: No it is not. Now 1.0 can have all the fremantle goodies? :) | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | Or 0.10 | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | Read the announce | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | The alpha doesn't have all the goodies | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: no, it was a good time really | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooh, Stskeeps, where do you recognize that Hildon layout from? ;) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: new alpha has stuff in xserver-xorg-video-fbdev | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | New UI doesn't show well in screenshots. | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Those screenshots look like teasers to me ;) | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | new ui isn't really coming | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | (in alpha) | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | It's a secret :) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: no, but the code is there | 13:34 |
| timelE61i | The announcement should explain | 13:34 |
| roope | The alpha doesn't have the full new UI. But at least the sidebar is now officially gone. | 13:35 |
| timelE61i | Sts: i think it's semi-stubbed | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 13:35 |
| * timelE61i tries to figure out why to poke roope | 13:35 | |
| timelE61i | (and how and where) | 13:36 |
| roope | From the alpha version, at least. :) | 13:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm bored with the UI. | 13:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes around in sources some. | 13:37 | |
| * timelE61i ponders trying to xref the sources | 13:37 | |
| timelE61i | btw why doesn't /news/ show 5a sdk? | 13:38 |
| roope | ga: The UI is missing some quite important pieces. | 13:38 |
| timelE61i | (it's in Latest items) | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, thus, the boredom. :) | 13:38 |
| timelE61i | Roope: which don't work ;-? | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: Needs 3 votes. | 13:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "usb: musb: remove charger sysfs entry on failure path." | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | And an hourly cron.. | 13:39 |
| timelE61i | It has 7hearts | 13:39 |
| timelE61i | Please kick cron | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Cron runs just about now. | 13:39 |
| lcuk | roope, is the ui based in clutter or is that a themed up gtk? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | great its out btw :D | 13:40 |
| timelE61i | ui isn't out ;) | 13:40 |
| lcuk | its "out" | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | "Desktop edit mode" | 13:40 |
| lcuk | damn brb | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | finally, lockable applets again? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
| timelE61i | Sts: yes | 13:40 |
| timelE61i | Good luck unlocking them ;) | 13:40 |
| roope | lcuk: it uses clutter for certain things, but it's not fully in clutter. | 13:41 |
| timelE61i | oh brother | 13:41 |
| timelE61i | That error i saw @qgil's desk was real | 13:41 |
| timelE61i | X-fade? | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: Yep? | 13:42 |
| timelE61i | Can you fix the whitespace near the two links at the bottom of the announcement? | 13:42 |
| timelE61i | The first has a space before comma | 13:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries to figure out which model numbers he's already seen. . . . | 13:42 | |
| timelE61i | The second has space in link | 13:42 |
| timelE61i | (release notes*, *source code repository) | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | New WLAN chipset | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | WL1271 | 13:44 |
| JamieBennett | auto rotation stuff looked interesting | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | vs WL1251 | 13:44 |
| timelE61i | andre: i'm assuming 3752 is a dupe of 3592 | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | whoa | 13:44 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: oh, I need to check it | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | an actual changelogf | 13:44 |
| lcuk | roope, cool ill take a look later :) | 13:44 |
| roope | Lockable applets, yes. :) | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | WL1271 supports n. | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | roope: after i saw it on my newly acquired 770, i knew i wanted it :P | 13:45 |
| andre__ | timelE61i, might be, but i'm not sure. if you feel safe go ahead. you know the code :) | 13:46 |
| * RST38h gets a feeling there is a new Fremantle Alpha out | 13:46 | |
| roope | As the release notes say, the new status area is also missing from this version. | 13:46 |
| timelE61i | just reading summaries | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like the WL1271 is a single-chip WiFi/Bluetooth/FM tx+rx solution. | 13:46 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: damn the repository.maemo.org seems slow.. | 13:47 |
| wazd | Dude! | 13:47 |
| timelE61i | Gan: sounds right | 13:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, power saving. | 13:47 |
| wazd | It's out! | 13:47 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 13:47 |
| RST38h | URL? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's boring. ;) | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_5_alpha_sdk_released/ | 13:47 |
| RST38h | !!! thanks | 13:48 |
| wazd | Hello world :) | 13:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: hola) | 13:48 |
| RST38h | screenshots kinda dont impress | 13:48 |
| * timelE61i ponders | 13:48 | |
| timelE61i | how big is the sdk? | 13:49 |
| timelE61i | Does it fit into 700mb? | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hm, too many TLAs | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | PVR and DSS? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | PowerVR, .. DSS not sure | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "* DSS: Added support to change TV standard" | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, duh. | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess DSS is the video out? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: interesting fact: GLES libs actually come with SDK in maemo-explicit (not the name now) | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Add LIRC support for RX51 CIR" | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | infrared? wtf | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | TV channel switching from your device :) | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it. | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | CIR is receiving though | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello universal remote. ;) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No. Consumer IR.. | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:52 |
| timelE61i | does mer's ssh support port forwarding? | 13:52 |
| * timelE61i is getting an error: channel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port 6022 | 13:53 | |
| wazd | Looks like Canola :) | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | the token system for nokia-binaries is neat :P | 13:53 |
| timelE61i | ? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 13:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles has consumed. | 13:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Time to wait for Yerga to post some more interesting screenshots. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | bad background selection, frm PR point of view | 13:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles would've recommended including a little more glitz for your first UI release if you were going to delay anyway. | 13:57 | |
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| timelE61i | Rst: it was the bg we had one week | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to drop a link in there for <Alpha SDK announcement> | 13:58 |
| * Stskeeps wonders idly who decided hald-addon-bme-dev should be a nokia-binaries package | 13:58 | |
| timelE61i | It changes randomly every couple of weeks | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we have a UI for h-a-m? | 13:59 |
| RST38h | This version moved from gcc3 to gcc4 | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | hildon-home is new. | 13:59 |
| wazd | Well, looks like it will have massive shortcuts menu | 14:00 |
| wazd | iphone-like | 14:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: Canola like, I think | 14:00 |
| RST38h | for some reason, ffmpeg is removed..hmmm | 14:00 |
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| roope | ga: it's not really intended to wow yet. I'd guess the grays are there on purpose. | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell is a "Blues library" | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Muddy Waters? | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody really should've proofed the release notes. | 14:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: tat's even worse :) | 14:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders why vibra and orientation need to be closed. | 14:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice, closed source location API. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, new <Nokia>@maemo.org address, too. | 14:03 |
| lcuk | open sores spread diseases | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | you wouldnt want that with a vibrator | 14:04 |
| andre__ | blues? maybe bluez? | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, they meant BlueZ | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, I mean, look at the state of those release notes. . . . | 14:06 |
| andre__ | hey, we listed the bug IDs at least! :-P | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Links would've been nice. | 14:07 |
| lcuk | copy of internal database wouldv been even better :P | 14:08 |
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| wazd | I wonder, where's the statusbar | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | sigh | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | sfil_li_modified_earlier | 14:09 |
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| roope | wazd: release doesn't have the status bar, desktop edit mode or the task switching. | 14:10 |
| wazd | roope: cool) | 14:11 |
| * Stskeeps is probably going to adopt some of the libraries but not UI just yet | 14:11 | |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? | 14:11 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, hmm. i provided links. hopefully next time :-/ | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Asshole bug of the week: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4170 | 14:14 |
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| roope | ga: perhaps you could provide a link to the release notes you are referring to. :p | 14:15 |
| roope | Ah, it's in the URL field anyway | 14:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, that's why there's a URL field. ;) | 14:16 |
| roope | My bad. | 14:16 |
| roope | I just read the bugs. :) | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it, admittedly, isn't clickable. | 14:16 |
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| andre__ | i wonder how to resolve that one | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | RESOLVED REPORTERISANASSHOLE | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 14:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4169 | 14:19 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Is that the one that Timeless fixed? | 14:20 |
| qgil | back from lunch and indeed they close at 14h | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The one that is in use at maemo.org, but not on bugs yet for instance? | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that's the one I managed to dig up and put on the trademarks page. | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno what version it is. | 14:21 |
| qgil | it's good to release things on an IRC channel | 14:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was way more work than it should've been to collect what I managed to. | 14:21 |
| qgil | not a single postive comment :) | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | qgil: At least you get honest feedback? | 14:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, we're negative by nature. ;) | 14:22 |
| qgil | sure, I'm not complaining | 14:22 |
| qgil | I'm happy we got the most detailed release notes done ever | 14:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take it as a complement that people care as much as they do to complain in detail. ;) | 14:22 |
| qgil | about the UI, the objective of this alpha *SDK* release was to provide the full API, the full UI is secondary at this point | 14:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, yeah, my thought was that since it was delayed anyway, you might as well delay it to the point where it shows well. | 14:24 |
| qgil | (and I hope this time ITt catches the news at least) | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise there's not much point in delaying at all. | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, congratulations, Maemo SW, here's to a fantastic 1.0 release. :) | 14:24 |
| qgil | what do you mean, making app developers wait n weeks before they can start porting and coding? | 14:24 |
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| roope | ga: SDK doesn't try to be an advertisement. | 14:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, the argument I always heard for delaying the UI up until this point was that it would get bad press if released too early. | 14:25 |
| roope | There are separate mechanisms for that. | 14:25 |
| qgil | have you noticed the kernel version change and other significant upgrades? | 14:25 |
| qgil | it's not that we were delaying just for the fun of it | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, I noticed a new model number. ;) | 14:25 |
| qgil | the UI released is the UI needed for app developers to see how their apps behave *really* in Fremantle | 14:26 |
| qgil | the UI missing is the one users will see when booting, switching apps and so on, not crucial for developers | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, what i tried seems like a good developer base for that | 14:27 |
| qgil | also this alpha is real food for Mer | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* trying to grab a overview currently | 14:28 |
| qgil | (combined with the corresponding Beagle release that will come in few days) | 14:28 |
| qgil | if Mer gets the content of this alpha running on OMAP2 then you know you have done the most complicated part | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is hildon-home separating the applets from h-d? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: so far it seems like we can get many things going at least | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, and i absolutely love that | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | + notification plugins. | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, no more applets killing the desktop. | 14:29 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_overview/ | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: also, we don't have to rely on it being h-d new | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: any progress on the 3rd party HW stuff btw? (again, apologies for the whole turmoil in that thread :P) | 14:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles adds the new icons to his icon collection. | 14:31 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | addressbook_sim_contacts_group.png | 14:33 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: yes, I have to answer you properly on that | 14:33 |
| * Stskeeps starts grabbing diffs | 14:33 | |
| wazd | qgil: Does the menu behaves canola like?) | 14:34 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: basically ok for Nokia owned, let's discuss with TI what is TI related and really complicated for Adobe, Skype and etc | 14:34 |
| qgil | wazd: which menu? | 14:34 |
| wazd | qgil: http://static.maemo.org/static/m/Maemo5_alpha_SDK_ApplicationMenu.png | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yep, i don't care much for the flash stuff - Skype & Gizmo: they actually point to the Nokia .installs from skype.com and gizmo5.com point to the .deb | 14:35 |
| qgil | install the sdk and see for yourself | 14:35 |
| qgil | :) | 14:35 |
| wazd | qgil: thanks | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, 128x128 alarm on icon. | 14:35 |
| qgil | I haven't used Canola for a while wazd | 14:35 |
| wazd | qgil: I have never used linux :) | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No stylus keyboard? | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, sorry. :P | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better figure out how to type with your thumbs pronto. | 14:36 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: damn | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the fullscreen keyboard open source? | 14:37 |
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| qgil | btw, if you find closed stuff that you think it should be open, now it's a good time to file enhancement requests | 14:38 |
| qgil | with reasoning etc | 14:38 |
| lcuk | locationapi, and map provider - is there an api for bringing up a localized map? | 14:38 |
| roope | Keyboard would perhaps be a good candidate. I could imagine somebody doing stuff for it. | 14:39 |
| roope | New layouts etc. | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The home-grown location API that Nokia decided to use instead of the nice open source one. :\ | 14:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bad case of NIH | 14:39 |
| AndrewFBlack | Morning | 14:39 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure it's a case of NIH | 14:40 |
| * lcuk wouldnt mind being able to get a glyph of location from ovi | 14:40 | |
| lcuk | (be even better if the mapping api could be available without having to reinvent service | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not entirely sure there are any good OSS location APIs really | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | GeoClue? | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symbian is what's to blame here, though. :\ | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: first problem: no transforms between coordinate system | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | only a problem for interplanetary mapping | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Nokia's using their own setup because of ovi, and Symbian. | 14:42 |
| lcuk | they are most likely using it because its there and available and tested and works? | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's too new to be that. | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: interplantetary.. did you look at the amount of coordinate systems with global positions? heh :P | 14:43 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: can it be that GeoClue covers only a portion if what the Maemo API covers? I don't know myself in detail | 14:44 |
| lcuk | yeah i know, but i thought we have kinda centred on long/lat | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah.. you would think so, but trust me :P there's a difference to what google maps has in coordinates and GPS, etc :P | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, I'd rather see Nokia drop another $500k and 3 developers into another open source project to make it do what they want. ;) | 14:44 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: How does one change the default 'description' file in gitweb? | 14:45 |
| jeremiah_ | A git push is not doing it. | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Edit that welcome file? | 14:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Did that. Didn't work. | 14:45 |
| jeremiah_ | The description file in in the .git dir. | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | One would have to log on and hack on it directly. | 14:46 |
| * Stskeeps pushes libhildon from 5.0alpha to builder | 14:46 | |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Maybe it takes a while because of a cron job? | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe. | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, OK, so no issue if I go in and correct the release notes? | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | But the welcome file is updated immediately. | 14:46 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: All the description files remain un-edited: | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | https://git.maemo.org/projects/maemian/gitweb | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | I suppose one can login to the repo directly - but that might not be allowed. | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: I'd give it some more time. | 14:48 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: of course not, and apologies | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, more than happy to do it but I like to avoid messing with Nokia content on maemo.org. ;) | 14:49 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: and me too, but unstable releases are more maemo.org than Nokia | 14:50 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: I don't see how a cron job can be doing anything since you have to push the desc. file into the repo - and git does not see that as a file it is tracking. | 14:50 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_: That gitweb list is exported. | 14:51 |
| lcuk | if the chairman of the maemo.org community council is afraid to edit documents on maemo.org what does that say about the rest of us :P | 14:51 |
| qgil | proposal for a deal: I send en email to maemo-developers about the alpha targeted to those that survive being subcribed there and not following maemo.org... | 14:51 |
| qgil | ... and someone does the same in ITt for the same type of cases | 14:52 |
| RST38h | ehlo, qgil | 14:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it means Nokia hasn't quite exfiltrated from maemo.org. ;) | 14:55 |
| qgil | hi RST38h | 14:55 |
| qgil | by the way, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ contains the Fremantle code too, the project moves to open development and Gabriel is happy getting patches and even contributors getting involved in the project | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gabriel needs some face time with the community. | 14:57 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I guess her wife has a similar sentence | 14:59 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: do you know Gabriel? Maintainer of the pidgin port for Maemo | 15:00 |
| timelE61i | jEremiah: yeah, gitweb sucks, requires direct repo access | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, it's tough to foster collaboration when nobody in the community knows who the people involved Nokia-side are. | 15:00 |
| qgil | http://maemo.org/profile/view/nix_nix/ = Gabriel | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, not knowingly. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I may have poked about packaging once. | 15:01 |
| timelE61i | he's around | 15:01 |
| * timelE61i walks | 15:01 | |
| * GeneralAntilles stills needs a h-a-m update so he can spam the Extras maintainers again. :( | 15:01 | |
| * timelE61i grabs a badge or risks getting trapped | 15:01 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pronoun hell: Thereupon, he is given access to the Nokia binaries repository by providing him/her a specific token. | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, etrunko. | 15:02 |
| timelE61i | gan: that page wasn't reviewed by me :) | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, clearly. :P | 15:03 |
| timelE61i | Must be *fi-lawyer | 15:03 |
| timelE61i | One of the worst dialects imaginable | 15:03 |
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| timelE61i | Gan: meet nix | 15:04 |
| suihkulokki | naah, that doesn't resemble finnish word order | 15:04 |
| timelE61i | He works on osso xterm | 15:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles waves! :) | 15:04 | |
| timelE61i | Nix, meet generalantilles | 15:04 |
| suihkulokki | I think it's en_IN | 15:04 |
| etrunko | hya GeneralAntilles | 15:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hi! | 15:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | What's up? | 15:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | I gotta restart irssi in a screen ... | 15:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | BRB | 15:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "The token is for personal use only and may not be further distributed or disclosed." can I just drop "further"? | 15:05 |
| timelE61i | may is wrong | 15:05 |
| timelE61i | And yes, please | 15:06 |
| t_s_o | hmm, new SDK? | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | cannot implies that it's impossible to distribute or disclose. | 15:06 |
| timelE61i | The token is only for your personal use -- DO NOT DISTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | That works | 15:06 |
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| _|Nix|_ | OK. Here we go. | 15:07 |
| timelE61i | Maybe include an extra IT near the end | 15:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | What's up? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | _|Nix|_: post-SDK release chatter | 15:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | Aha ... | 15:07 |
| timelE61i | Nix: btw, do you watch your bugs.maemo.org component? | 15:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | Something about osso-xterm? | 15:07 |
| qgil | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268245 | 15:07 |
| _|Nix|_ | Not particularly closely. | 15:07 |
| t_s_o | i hate to say it qgil, but one of the images reminds me to much of canola for my liking... | 15:08 |
| timelE61i | Would someone walk nix through using user watching? | 15:08 |
| qgil | t_s_o: try the sdk and then we talk | 15:08 |
| _|Nix|_ | timelE61i: The problem is that, if it ends up sending me an email, it's not gonna be particularly effective. | 15:09 |
| t_s_o | qgil: noted | 15:09 |
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| timelE61i | nix: you can setup rss... | 15:09 |
| timelE61i | But yes, user watching =mail | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | btw, is stuff in free supposed to depend on nokia-explicit things? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | (i can't recall what the rule of thumb is) | 15:09 |
| qgil | Can you see http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog ? | 15:10 |
| qgil | (I can't, snif) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Yes. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | works for me | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works here. | 15:11 |
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| timelE61i | nokia wall? :) | 15:11 |
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| t_s_o | oh, this will go down "well" with some on the forum... | 15:13 |
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| qgil | ah, now I can see it (Epiphany won't let me, Fireworks will) | 15:14 |
| timelE61i | fireworks? | 15:14 |
| jeremiah_ | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/gallery.htm | 15:14 |
| qgil | maybe X-Fade is right and there is something wrong with my default browser | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: where would hildon-control-panel bugs go? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | can't seem to find it in Desktop platform | 15:14 |
| Myrtti | IT REBOOTS! ;_____; | 15:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Settings%20and%20Maintenance | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Interesting to see that while the stylus keyboard has been dropped, the stylus scrollbar remains? http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png | 15:15 |
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| * Myrtti huggles her work laptop | 15:15 | |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, settings and maintenance | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | re | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: OOH cute polarbear | 15:16 |
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| Myrtti | ♥ | 15:16 |
| qgil | ah, jeremiah_ you see: deb http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ fremantle extras | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles, andre__ : ta | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Bad planning on their part. | 15:16 |
| jeremiah_ | qgil: Yeah - I was around when X-Fade set it up this morning(ish) | 15:17 |
| * Jaffa sees "post-SDK chatter" in his scrollback. Have I missed something in the last 2 hours? | 15:17 | |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: This is not the repo.. | 15:17 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_: This is one they created themselves. | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: As in _BAD_ | 15:17 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: heh. I knew that, I was just testing you guys. | 15:17 |
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| Jaffa | That'd be the alpha SDK then. | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | Damn meetings | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Bti the Qt port has an "official" garage.maemo.org address. Confusing. | 15:19 |
| jeremiah_ | s/Bti/But | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Any project can upload to their web space? | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember how to do Midgard lists. . . . | 15:20 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Does not make it less confusing. ;) | 15:20 |
| t_s_o | how much space do a install of the sdk take up | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | Just because they can, it doesn't mean they should.. | 15:20 |
| t_s_o | ? | 15:20 |
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| jeremiah_ | In fact, aren't there some copyright restrictions? They are calling it qt, which is owned by trolltech, which is owned by Nokia . . . | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: It is a Nokia project ;) | 15:22 |
| timelE61i | x-fade: is it tagged? :) | 15:22 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Ah, okay! | 15:22 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, wasnt there similar discussions when the project started because he made it look "too" official | 15:24 |
| lcuk | with the image or something | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know where fremantle-feedback@maemo.org is pointing? | 15:25 |
| * lcuk has a recollection of such things | 15:25 | |
| timelE61i | /dev/null | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: QT4 will supported in Fremanlte by the community. (Which mostly consists of Nokia team members atm) | 15:26 |
| jeremiah_ | That is a good thing, no? | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Yes, basically the same thing as for Python. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: People responsible for SDK, documentation and testing. | 15:28 |
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| timelE61i | ok, i give up | 15:30 |
| timelE61i | How do i find out if a project is "nokia"' | 15:30 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: fremantle- | 15:30 |
| qgil | feedback points to humans like Soumya | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My real question was, shouldn't it be an @maemo.nokia.com address? | 15:31 |
| qgil | ah, good point | 15:31 |
| timelE61i | does maemo.nokia.com exist? | 15:31 |
| timelE61i | But yes | 15:31 |
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| qgil | well, you have that bug open and assigned to... Soumya :) | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | HTML lists make my eyes bleed. | 15:32 |
| qgil | I had reviewed that text a couple of times and didn't thin of it, my bad | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: Projects can tag itself a 'nokia' project. | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: But how would you tag a project which also has community members and is just 'blessed' by Nokia? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | frankenproject? :P | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "devilspawn" | 15:35 |
| timelE61i | "curse" | 15:37 |
| timelE61i | I'm pretty sure i'm on record as saying the tagging wouldn't work | 15:37 |
| * timelE61i stands by that position | 15:37 | |
| timeless | :) | 15:37 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 a bug in the alpha or the pre-alpha release? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: i just answered :) it's an alpha bug | 15:39 |
| qgil | but then you flagged it again as pre-alpha | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | oh ffs | 15:39 |
| qgil | we can keep playing tennis if you wish :) | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | changed it back, sorry | 15:39 |
| qgil | ok, time to go now | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, release notes are fixed. | 15:40 |
| qgil_afk | wow, thanks! | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, are these the first complete OMAP3 OpenGL drivers in the wild? | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say it is completely in the wild when it's nokia-binaries | 15:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, sure. | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not like you have to sell your soul to ImagTech to get 'em. | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | just to nokia | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, somebody could use these as-is on a Beagle, right? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | i guess EULA would be the answer to that | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | and the idea is to be able to develop for maemo5 on beagle so | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, have you gone through the Extras invite queue from the weekend? | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, you don't have to sign anything. ;) | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Only one left. Not sure if we can trust somebody called 'Nobody'. | 15:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you get one for Firebird8? | 15:44 |
| khertan | Hello ! | 15:44 |
| timelE61i | oh goody, it is going to destroy my browser | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nope. | 15:45 |
| inz | Anyone willing to test drive the headphone-clickything-pause-thingmabob: http://inz.fi/hp-btn_0.1.0_armel.deb | 15:46 |
| timelE61i | inz: does it work on mer-vmdk-intel ? :) | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, car batteries generally suck at extended low-level drain. | 15:46 |
| inz | timel, "yes" (it will likely start, but do nothing ;) | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're designed for intensive short bursts (starter motor) | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want a deep-cycle marine battery. ;) | 15:47 |
| inz | timel, 1) there's no blablabla_retu_blablabla to send the events. nor is there a osso-media-server to command | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and a range rover to go with it.. | 15:47 |
| inz | +2) | 15:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, still need to review the HTML for r.m.o | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need some ideas for more useful content to put on there. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah, just now I received the request ;) | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, told him to refile. | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess something went wrong with the one from Friday. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Invited. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 15:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have to play proxy for PokerTH uploads now. | 15:51 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You can send proposed updates for r.m.o to Marcell directly, as he manages it. | 15:52 |
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| * khertan want to come back to home to try the new sdk | 15:56 | |
| khertan | :) | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | awkward question, non-free in repository, that obviously means closed source, but does it also mean non-redistributable? | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not clear what license those are under really | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they're not behind an EULA | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | what's your icon list btw? | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Icon list? | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | you mentioned something earlier about you adding some icons to your list or something | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | Ah, the first picture of a Fremantle device on the Planet! =) | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | not first though | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird video discoloration. | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html | 16:09 |
| JamieBennett | //maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.htmlmaemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html | 16:09 |
| RST38h | General: This is the video cable problem | 16:09 |
| JamieBennett | oops ;) | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | JamieBennett: tsk :) | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: and i've had that exactly picture long ago on Mer :P | 16:09 |
| RST38h | General: namely, it has to be loaded with a resistor to the ground I think | 16:09 |
| RST38h | General: Another possible reason: one end of the cable is not grounded | 16:11 |
| khertan | or it s just a compiz/beryl effect with the new so powerfull 3D hardware powered chipset ? | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | khertan: i'm not 100% sure that we really need clutter/GL for this stuff.. | 16:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | khertan, so powerful it just LOOKS like a video defect. | 16:12 |
| lardman | re | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, more later. . . . | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, probably | 16:12 |
| lardman | so, is it pretty then? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i like liqbase better | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:12 |
| khertan | more its simple more it s harder to reproduct | 16:12 |
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| lardman | so it has libical, evolution server | 16:15 |
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| lardman | Interesting, from changelog: gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera, Removed fake autofocus in v4l2camsrc | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Mmmm, autofocus shiny. | 16:19 |
| * Jaffa now wants to know what happened to the RX-61 | 16:19 | |
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| lardman | Use hantromp4mux and omx_amrnbenc with gst-camera video recording | 16:19 |
| lardman | is that code in the kernel patch? | 16:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how the voting software's coming. | 16:24 |
| RST38h | There is some special voting software? Hm | 16:25 |
| lardman | I see there's SMS messaging | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | For STV | 16:25 |
| lardman | or at least I assume there is | 16:25 |
| RST38h | oh | 16:27 |
| RST38h | "Heh, things are starting to get really interesting. We have RX-71 now in kernel too :-) The keymap looks like there is no full QWERTY keyboard." -- fanoush | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a giant E55 | 16:28 |
| RST38h | It's a phone! It's a phone! | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | i still go with that the next tablet, is actually a huge land rover running Maemo. Windows Mobile out of cars. | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Has got a phone dialpad | 16:28 |
| lardman | hal changelog: Add support for jack video-out and physical insertion notifications. | 16:29 |
| lardman | good good | 16:29 |
| andre__ | it's a TV set, for sure :-P | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia TV | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: no, the next tablet will be made of mud and come with a stylus made of Iggdrasil | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a game consel. | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | console* | 16:29 |
| RST38h | andre: no, it's a fridge | 16:29 |
| RST38h | General: No dpad? | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | It's a moon! | 16:30 |
| roope | It's a coffee table book about coffee tables. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia Coffee Tablet, the competitor to Microsoft Surface | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | er | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Coffee Table | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's not an internet tablet. it's an internet table. | 16:30 |
| andre__ | fridge? mmm, finally nokia provides proper icecream support! | 16:30 |
| jaska | hope its spill resistant | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | andre__: fridge's are for storing bacon | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | s/'s/s/ | 16:31 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: andre__: fridges are for storing bacon | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | tskity | 16:31 |
| andre__ | icecream is more important than bacon in such crisis times! | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: All depends on how powerful the IR led is ;) | 16:31 |
| thresh | grr, scratchbox gurus? | 16:31 |
| khertan | ice crime ? http://www.benjerry.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/t-shirt-ice-crime-lafraise.jpg | 16:31 |
| khertan | ? | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | andre__: *ice* cream tends to melt in fridges ;-) | 16:31 |
| thresh | ERROR: Operation not permitted, chroot(/home/thresh/projects/maemo/scratchbox/users/thresh) | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | thresh: not sure there are any left, they probably ended up in a mental institution.. | 16:31 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, in that case your fridge is broken by design | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | 4 degC is what my fridge is set to, the freezer is at -18 degC. | 16:32 |
| andre__ | my fridge is able to handle icecream | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | What's the melting point of ice cream? | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | I feel this is much more important than me working on an key unit test. | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, then your fridge is set wrong. :P | 16:33 |
| andre__ | maybe nokia has a patch for non-melting icecream in 4 degC fridges | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or your definition of "ice" cream is funny. | 16:33 |
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| andre__ | give us the source! | 16:33 |
| RST38h | andre: the source for ice cream? | 16:33 |
| andre__ | my fridge has a section that is -18 degC | 16:33 |
| andre__ | yes! | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's called a freezer. :P | 16:34 |
| andre__ | no, it's all a fridge here :-P | 16:34 |
| timelE61i | well | 16:34 |
| timelE61i | We almost shipped internet table tutorial w/ diablo | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You loose internet table tutorial! | 16:35 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, having freezers and fridges separately is so 90es! like having both pagers and mobile phones... | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, it's all one appliance. | 16:35 |
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| concorr | hi | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 16:37 |
| concorr | anyone know the bluetooth driver name on n800? | 16:37 |
| timelE61i | actually, i can't remember if they fixed it completely | 16:37 |
| timelE61i | Iirc the internal bug tracking component had that name.. | 16:38 |
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| concorr | is not hci_h4p, true? | 16:39 |
| andre__ | heh, reminds me of all those "enchantment requests" in b.m.o | 16:39 |
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| Jaffa | Awww | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | I wanna be enchanted too | 16:39 |
| * RST38h enchants Jaffa with a 2x4 | 16:40 | |
| andre__ | *rrrrr* | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | heh, neat | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Oyj, sir! | 16:58 |
| RST38h | or "oyj oyj, sir!" =) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in dk it's A/S | 16:58 |
| jeremiah_ | In Sweden it is AB | 16:59 |
| thresh | meh. | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | AB Strakt was an awesome company name, but it took me a while to notice | 17:01 |
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| pupnik_ | btw guys, Thomas Woods "Meltdown" is probably the very top book I recommend at this time. Critically important information and analysis, and it is understandable by non-experts. | 17:21 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Free-Market-Collapsed-Government-Bailouts/dp/1596985879 | 17:22 |
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| dbs | hey, thought some of you might like to see http://coffeecode.net/archives/187-One-big-library,-one-little-device-Evergreen-staff-client-on-Nokia-N810.html | 17:24 |
| dbs | (Evergreen is an open source library system, with HQ at http://open-ils.org) | 17:24 |
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| sp3000 | dbs: your spelling of madhava seems to vary a bit from instance to instance :) | 17:33 |
| dbs | sp3000: crap, that's what I get for writing past midnight and not fact-checking | 17:33 |
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| dbs | sp3000: thanks, fixed :) | 17:35 |
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| sampo | is it possilbe to upgrade from pre alpha2 -> alpha just by running fakeroot apt-get upgrade on both targets ? | 17:36 |
| RST38h | 6922 | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, maemo-xkb-plugin is bolloxed - the applet gets installed to / | 17:38 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, haha, I'll be boycotting the next tablet until they bring me back my beloved stylus mode :P (or if it comes with a keyboard, who needs the stylus keyboard?!) | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, qalcuate could go into extras if someone wishes to put it there - it was packaged correctly. as for rox filer, have you tested it? | 17:40 |
| * GAN800 is already tired of waiting for UPS. | 17:40 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: jeremiah_ seems to be willing to do the packaging | 17:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ( and he is closer to the autobuilder than us :)) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: with roxfiler, I still need to run it, will get to it tonight | 17:41 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yes, I am happy to do the packaging - | 17:41 |
| jeremiah_ | what am I to package? | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | qalculate is already packaged | 17:42 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: qalculate from qwerty | 17:42 |
| RST38h | has to go into extras | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | (although may need cleaning - i'm not the most ethical or knowledgeable packager :)) | 17:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Aha? So move from Extras-devel -> Extras? | 17:42 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: No biggie, I will run lintian over it. :) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: next one in line is either pcmanfm and/or roxfiler | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, hehe, how's maemian going? :) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, what's wrong with emelfm2 btw? | 17:44 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: maemian is going pretty well actually. :p | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | wicked :) | 17:44 |
| jeremiah_ | Thanks for asking. | 17:44 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Okay, pcmanfm and roxfiler | 17:44 |
| jeremiah_ | I need to find a way to create some form or public queue and have people add package to it | 17:44 |
| jeremiah_ | and then I just pop things off the stack as it were. | 17:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: So, qalculate has to go from E-devel to E? | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, from lardman's repo: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/ to -devel :) | 17:45 |
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| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Alright, cool. I'll download that now. | 17:46 |
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| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: You just want me to check it and then upload to E-devel right? | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | It's not hildonized or anything though, only thing I did was add yerga's fullscreen code to it | 17:46 |
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| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, well, RST38h does :) | 17:47 |
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| jeremiah_ | Okay, cool. At least I know the scoop. | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: emelfm2 is unusable | 17:52 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: shitloads of tiny mysterious buttons, filenames do not fit the screen etc | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | dunno if rox-filer is any better... | 17:52 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, is this still a problem for you: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4162 ? | 17:53 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Russian n8xx.com has a forum where people request certian packages to be built and the guy who manages forum builds them | 17:53 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Would be cool to have something similar, except that resulting packages should be hildonized and placed into Extras (n8xx guy does not hildonize or package) | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah; Of course this will only work for packages that do not require extensive work (like AbiWord) and prioritized by popularity of requests | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | also, the guy who has all the spare time to hildonize packages on request could come over here and wash my dishes | 17:54 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: As I said, stuff that requires LOTS of work can't be processed in this way | 17:54 |
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| lardman | cheers qwerty12, jeremiah_ | 17:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Yeah, I think so | 17:56 |
| * lardman needs to sort out a build method for Octave | 17:57 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, no problem. Now work on dsp-sbc! (j/k) :P | 17:57 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: I am now going to try to install SB on a new clean lenny install and test it out. | 17:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I've updated the bluez-utils for ARM with ssvb's latest patches | 17:57 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, I'm having the same with the new SDK :( | 17:57 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: So maybe I will be in luck and we can isolcate that as an Ubuntu bug | 17:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, I'll try to roll a DSP version this evening, assuming I can stay awake | 17:57 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Hmm - which operating system? Ubuntu or debian? | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, really? I was only joking, you just got back! :) | 17:58 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, ubuntu | 17:58 |
| lardman | ;) | 17:58 |
| * lcuk wishes he could install the sdk directly on tablet | 17:58 | |
| lcuk | afternoon globetrotter | 17:58 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Yeah, that is where I was having troubles too. | 17:58 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 17:59 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Yeah, something like that sounds interesting. | 17:59 |
| lcuk | you managed to not get killed on the roads then | 17:59 |
| lardman | no, bloody scary though! | 17:59 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: That is, a public queue | 17:59 |
| * lcuk would not like to drive in india | 17:59 | |
| lardman | crosing roads is the worst bit | 17:59 |
| lardman | yeah, nor me, we were driven around | 17:59 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, have exactly the same errors that you had :) , but I'm running "af-sb-init.sh start" | 17:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, i saw a head on shot someone took recently walking across, scary as hell - cars are just big people | 18:00 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: I tried that too - same error. | 18:00 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: If you vote for that error on bugzilla it might get more love. :) | 18:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: best bit, I got upgraded to 1st class on the way out :) | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, voted :) | 18:01 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Cool beans | 18:01 |
| lcuk | ahhh you got an inside seat! | 18:01 |
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| lardman | lcuk: inside bed, and champagne | 18:02 |
| lardman | how the other half live... :) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | did they treat you as first class though, or were you looked down on as someone just put there to fill it up | 18:02 |
| lardman | no, they were none the wiser, the upgrade happened outside | 18:02 |
| lcuk | yeah, tell holly that she really should buiy 2 1st class tickets next time | 18:02 |
| lardman | well it was work, my boss wasn't so impressed that I got the upgrade and he didn't :D | 18:03 |
| lcuk | actually, its not such a bad hypothosis, they moved you based on your nickanme to distribute the weight ;) | 18:03 |
| lardman | oi! | 18:03 |
| * lcuk wafts a double bacon burger at you | 18:03 | |
| lardman | well they should really have placed me above the main gear, so half way through cattle | 18:03 |
| lardman | mmm, have to go and buy some bacon | 18:04 |
| lcuk | i lasted the whole weekend without any | 18:04 |
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| VDVsx | anyone had success running the new fremantle UI inside scratchbox/Ubuntu ? | 18:04 |
| lcuk | anyway, im gone again. speak later | 18:04 |
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| wazd | I assume that RX-51 screen will be smaller in diagonal | 18:05 |
| lardman | lcuk: cy later | 18:05 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, not yet, ill be trying later though | 18:05 |
| wazd | something like 3.5 inch | 18:05 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I'm having Xserver bugs :( | 18:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: No way | 18:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: you are scaring me | 18:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 18:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png | 18:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: look at the close button - it's super huge) | 18:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: this does not mean anything | 18:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: BUT there is something else | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | I've got 10gb left, may as well install the fremantle sdk ontop of my diablo sdk install ;) | 18:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: The image is 640x406 pixels, 640x360 when you remove Xephyr decorations | 18:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, essentially, we are looking at the Nokia 5800 / N97 display | 18:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: Funny, isn't it? ;) | 18:08 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, 3-4gb is fine :) | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, thanks :). My fault for giving the windows partition a bigger size... | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Ah, that's why it looks so cramped | 18:08 |
| * RST38h will be seriously offended if Nokia does it to him | 18:08 | |
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| RST38h | There are several explanations possible: | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: the Xephyr decorations - and the filename - seriously suggest a post-grab scaling | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Are they normally unaliased? | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, that's been shrunk | 18:09 |
| * RST38h checks out other screenshots | 18:09 | |
| RST38h | The father of one of the child stars of the Oscar-winning film "Slumdog Millionaire" slapped him for refusing to give media interviews, a report said. | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: no, they'd be antialiasded, but that's been antialiased and scaled, see the fuzzing on the body text and teh rendering of the underlines in the "Downloads" box | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Cute | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I just hope so... | 18:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep, that too. So it will be 3.5") | 18:12 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, my fremantle installation takes 3.6 Gb (dev packages + nokia binaries) | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, cool, sounds reasonable | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | I've started the sbox install, waiting on apt-get | 18:15 |
| jeremiah_ | qwerty12: Are you installing it on Ubuntu / Intrepid? | 18:15 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, I have only extra packages in the armel target | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, yeah, although I use a kernel from hardy | 18:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I'll be interested to see if you get that Xephyr error. | 18:16 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, I just check and my old SDK works fine | 18:16 |
| jeremiah_ | I think it is bug #4162 | 18:16 |
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| jeremiah_ | yep | 18:16 |
| jeremiah_ | BTW, do you guys want to build the package under Fremantle, (presuming I can get that to work) or the diablo SDK? | 18:17 |
| jeremiah_ | And by you guys I mean qwerty12 and RST38h and by 'want to build' I mean do you want me to build. | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jaffa,wazd: I checked it in the gfx editor, the CLOSE button is really antialiased | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah_, well, I guess the diablo sdk :) | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Diablo of course | 18:18 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Otherwise, nobody will be able to run it on the actual tablet :) | 18:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | I figured, I just like things to be explicit. :) | 18:18 |
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| * RST38h still builds his stuff on Chinook btw, because SB2 has got some problems with Diablo | 18:19 | |
| RST38h | Probably fixed by now, have to check | 18:19 |
| thresh | why does 5.0 alpha sdk wants to access /lib/modules/`uname -r/modules.dep ? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Or just use sb1 ;) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Can't - all my source code is on an NTFS partition | 18:20 |
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| jeremiah_ | Well, I am setting up a new clean lenny environment just for packaging for maemo, so I am going to stick to diablo for now. :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Absolutely NOT going to go through localhost NFS | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Oh. Why not just move it to your linux partition? | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Then I would not be able to develop it for Windows, DOS, S60, and UIQ | 18:21 |
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| thresh | here's the relevant output: http://dumpz.org/5941/ | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, let those platforms burn! It's all about maemo :P | 18:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: All of the above require Windows for development | 18:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And who is gonna pay for it? =) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Good question :) | 18:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: When I can sell you VGBA-Maemo, we will revisit it :) | 18:22 |
| * mgedmin gives RST38h a free virtual machine for installing windows with weird platform SDKs (or for installing Linux with weird platform SDKs for that matter ;) | 18:22 | |
| * RST38h sticks that free virtual machine where sun does not shine | 18:22 | |
| RST38h | Just want to develop normally. | 18:23 |
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| jeremiah_ | Okay you crazy bunch O hackers, I'll see you all later. Gotta go excercise so I don't calcify into a vague ball of flesh and weak bone. :) | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe. Have fun :P | 18:23 |
| RST38h | have fun =) | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | That should be an intermediate stage in the course of turning into a small PERL script. | 18:27 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, you've learned how to write readable code in perl? :) | 18:38 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, i think it's impossible | 18:39 |
| RST38h | slono: Yea, I have figured out the rule | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | slono: The rule of thumb is to persuade yourself that it is C and write as if it were C. | 18:39 |
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| qwerty12 | lol, nokia seem to have gotten paranoid about the closed source binaries... | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | argh. /me needs to learn C then | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty, why? | 18:40 |
| RST38h | some people say that the rules are now relaxed, no? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php - in diablo sdk, it's just a question in the installer | 18:40 |
| RST38h | slono: Besides YOU CAN WRITE FORTRAN IN ANY LANGUAGE END | 18:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Looks like they simply intend to "improve" the confirmation mechanism. Web site looks cuter than the script :) | 18:42 |
| * qwerty12 salivates at libgles1-sgx-img opengles-sgx-img-common opengles-sgx-img-common-dev libgles1-sgx-img-dev libgles2-sgx-img libgles2-sgx-img-dev | 18:42 | |
| * RST38h expects the need for a pump to keep saliva level low at this channel =) | 18:43 | |
| slonopotamus | omg | 18:44 |
| * pupnik_ gets out the champagne | 18:44 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, the alpha dev kit include driptray-0.9-maemo-wow | 18:44 |
| slonopotamus | they're gonna tracks everything you install :) | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | s/trackks/track/ | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | argh | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | you got it | 18:45 |
| RST38h | and include subliminal messages | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | what'll happen if i distribute my token? | 18:46 |
| RST38h | like the dreaded yak tsup tsop dance | 18:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You do not seriously believe a measly 0.9 driptray will help? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, nokia will send their sniper after you | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | ah, eula then just stops allowing me to use software | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | i need to accept eula in order to _obtain_ sdk. so. 1. obtain. 2. distribute token. 3. eula no longer allows me to obtain, but i already have it. | 18:49 |
| * mgedmin stares at the '*' meaning "proprietary blob, you can't have it" next to the OpenGL ES driver... | 18:49 | |
| slonopotamus | ~curse closed-source software | 18:49 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, closed-source software ! | 18:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: And if you try reverse engineering it, ImageTech will sue the hell out of you | 18:50 |
| * Jaffa is confused by http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268305#post268305 | 18:51 | |
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| sampo | have you guys already installed fremantle alpha sdk ? | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | no, for some of us | 18:54 |
| sampo | my installation did not install hildon-home at al | 18:54 |
| sampo | l | 18:54 |
| * mgedmin pitifully stares at the 170 megs of disk space left on his laptop | 18:55 | |
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| * qwerty12 cries as he runs killall5 instead of killall in scratchbox | 18:57 | |
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| mgedmin | 1024x576??? | 18:58 |
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| VDVsx | sampo, I have, but got error in xserver | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | does anybody else think the application menu screenshot looks like one from an early 3D RPG game? | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | a cave with twines or something | 18:59 |
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| VDVsx | sampo, do you get the fremantle UI running ? | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, fails here too | 19:01 |
| sampo | VDVsx: yeah i got it running | 19:01 |
| VDVsx | sampo, what distro ? | 19:01 |
| sampo | intrepid | 19:02 |
| sampo | VDVsx: but run-stand-alone.sh hildon-home & this doesnt work | 19:02 |
| VDVsx | sampo, I have problems with: af-sb-init.sh start | 19:03 |
| sampo | VDVsx: hmm i reinstalled the whole sdk and now it is working | 19:03 |
| sampo | VDVsx: you must be in x86 target | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps got the fremantle ui working fine. | 19:03 | |
| Stskeeps | xephyr + af-sb-init.sh | 19:03 |
| sampo | nice animations in the new UI | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | does it still want root access? | 19:04 |
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| sampo | slonopotamus: where? | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | sampo, err... to install | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | no way. | 19:05 |
| VDVsx | sampo, my diablo sdk work in both targets | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it's scratchbox 1. it needs binary emulation, you need to do that in kernel | 19:05 |
| sampo | VDVsx: it says in release notes that it works only in x86 | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:05 |
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| sampo | VDVsx: VDVsx 1. In armel target, the hildon UI does not come up while starting the hildon application framework. This is mainly due drawbacks in the user mode qemu.It is being worked upon. It is neither recommended to run applications on this target because qemu-arm-cvs-m has no threading support. | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and x86? | 19:06 |
| VDVsx | sampo, ahh, my fault :) | 19:06 |
| sampo | VDVsx: :) | 19:06 |
| VDVsx | I usual don't read anything :) | 19:06 |
| sampo | but i got this crashing in x86 also :) | 19:06 |
| sampo | but looks promising so far :) | 19:07 |
| VDVsx | ahh finaly :) | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: true | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | sampo, lol, thanks, got it working in x86 | 19:08 |
| VDVsx | the fremantle UI animation remember me the apple time machine app lol :) | 19:09 |
| sampo | qwerty12: RTFM :D | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | sampo, hehe, I'm lazy :D | 19:09 |
| * slonopotamus wonders what'll happen in different world, where people looked ad this thing ad said 'wtf? they still give us binary blobs? no way'. and completely ignored it :) | 19:09 | |
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| slonopotamus | what'd | 19:10 |
| sampo | qwerty12: :) | 19:11 |
| sampo | hmm maybe i should try those examples from garage | 19:11 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i guess you'll have problems soon :) either split mer to diablo-/fremantle-compatible or invent something completely diifferent :) | 19:13 |
| sampo | hmm what would that rx71 be | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: why, though? | 19:13 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, n8x0 do not have any funky opengl stuff | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we already knew this long ago. that's why we have hildon-desktop for fremantle API | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | also, hildon-home is a godsend | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and those binary blobs... | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | they're not that bad | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: besides that.. mer is something different, but it still stays compatible in many ways | 19:15 |
| sampo | best thing so far with this new sdk is that it is much easier to debug home widgets(applets) now | 19:15 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, source or binary? | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: scaringily enough both works still | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, we'll see | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | some of the stuff is just stupid that is closed source | 19:18 |
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| returnthis | is this the best place to ask about the n810? | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus | returnthis, absolutely | 19:22 |
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| returnthis | mine is failing to boot | 19:23 |
| returnthis | it does the NOKIA logo with the blue status bar | 19:23 |
| returnthis | but hangs there | 19:23 |
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| returnthis | oh wait! it finally finished | 19:24 |
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| returnthis | is it suppose to take 15min to boot? | 19:24 |
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| slonopotamus | nope. what did tou do with it before last reboot? | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | s/tou/you/ | 19:25 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: nope. what did you do with it before last reboot? | 19:25 |
| returnthis | slonopotamus: it has been doing this for a while | 19:25 |
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| returnthis | it takes about 3 tries to get it to boot | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | try to reflash it completely | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hehe. that's like windoze 'try rebooting' advice | 19:28 |
| Luke-Jr2 | any idea why maemo won't connect to jabber from panera? | 19:28 |
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| * returnthis head to find flashing instructins | 19:29 | |
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| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 19:33 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:33 |
| returnthis | found: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html | 19:33 |
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| * mgedmin got his old n810 back from repairs | 19:37 | |
| mgedmin | turns out it was fixed last november, but nobody bothered to give me a call or send an email | 19:37 |
| returnthis | is there any info on the next internet tablet? | 19:39 |
| * returnthis drooling over the 3.5G rumor | 19:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | 3.5? hsdpa is already announced | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | hsdpa is overrated | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | unless you have a cell tower in your apartment | 19:42 |
| lardman | better than nothing though | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | ... you could also use it to keep your coffee warm | 19:43 |
| returnthis | well, that is what wifi is for | 19:43 |
| * neatojones decides to take a short nap before his afternoon starts. | 19:43 | |
| returnthis | but wandering around hunting for open wifi sucks | 19:43 |
| * lardman decides his patched bluez-utils doens't sound too good | 19:44 | |
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| Myrtti | /me has now 4GB of RAM in her laptop, rolls | 19:44 |
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| inz | Myrtti, pfft, it's not yours, it's leased! | 19:44 |
| * mgedmin drools | 19:44 | |
| Myrtti | inz: technically the laptop, sans RAM is leased | 19:45 |
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| inz | I only have 2 GB :( | 19:45 |
| * lardman realises he was using hsp not a2dp... doh! | 19:45 | |
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| Myrtti | the RAM is 100% owned by the company | 19:45 |
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| inz | Myrtti, and will likely be "forgotten" once you buy the lappy ;) | 19:46 |
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| returnthis | Stskeeps: the reflash worked. it now boots in <1min :)) | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | returnthis: woo :) | 19:56 |
| returnthis | of course the nokia boot screen is now burned into the screen thanks to spontaneous overnight reboots and hangs | 19:57 |
| Myrtti | inz: http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3323429200 who would want this? srsly :-P | 19:59 |
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| Myrtti | ooh, I should add my business card on it though | 20:00 |
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| bongo|kup | looks like a business notebook ;) | 20:01 |
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| inz | Myrtti, ooh, hellokitty! | 20:06 |
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| * lcuk wonders how to sit his 12" tablet between keyboard and monitor and still be able to use it | 20:10 | |
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| lcuk | is this new sdk easy to configure or do i have to reformat my ubuntu and start again? | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | If you have scratchbox already installed, just use the apt-get line it says in the install instructions for manual install & just use the sdk installer script then | 20:11 |
| lcuk | ill try.. ive got it but i only fired it up once | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | 'twas what I did and I still have my beloved DIABLO_SDK as well as a shiny FREMANTLE_ARMEL ;) | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | s/DIABLO_SDK/DIABLO_ARMEL? | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | */ | 20:12 |
| * qwerty12 learns to type like a normal person, not a fuckwad | 20:12 | |
| inz | Why do the target names neet to be written in CAPS... | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | IT_IS_VERY_ENGINEERING_LIKE | 20:13 |
| lardman | yay for Engineers! | 20:13 |
| bongo|kup | THUMBS_UP | 20:13 |
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| inz | I like my diablo-armel -target... | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | HAVING_YOUR_TARGETS_IN_CAPS_MAKES_YOU_SOUND_LIKE_THE_SHIT | 20:14 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: want to write a wiki page on doing that and/or a blog post (syndicated planet blog?) | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | Would be handy (*cough*) | 20:16 |
| inz | So, seems no one was interested in controlling their media player with their "headphone button" | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | inz: canola or media player? | 20:16 |
| * Stskeeps went away from media player | 20:16 | |
| inz | Stskeeps, if canola uses osso-media-server, then both | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | inz, I wrote www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21182 a long time ago but yours seems better as it's in C :) | 20:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, TBH, all it was was: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsboxinstall and then http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#autosdkinstall :) | 20:17 |
| inz | qwerty, oh, cool; so canola does use osso-media-server? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | yep, by default | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | it can be manually changed to use mplayer but people who want to use a2dp do that | 20:18 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: I'll test it and may take the credit - I think you underestimate the karma for making a "how to install fremantle into your existing SDK" | 20:18 |
| inz | qwerty, well, my binary only listens to the wired headset button anyway | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | inz, same thing with the python :), but you seem to send the dbus signal directly - i do a os.system(dbus-send etc)... | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, hehe | 20:19 |
| inz | qwerty, well, I found system() (in any language) to be usually the wrong solution ;) | 20:20 |
| inz | qwerty, (except shell scripting, where it cannot be avoided ;) | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | inz, i'm a lazy bastard, couldn't be bothered to look up how python-dbus worked (and probably wouldn't understand it either) | 20:21 |
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| inz | qwerty, the python d-bus bindings are actually pretty neat; don't know how well they work with non-introspetable objects though | 20:23 |
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| qwerty12 | cool :) | 20:24 |
| timelE61i | backticks! | 20:26 |
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| inz | qwerty, som'n like dbus.Interface(dbus.SessionBus().get_object('com.nokia.osso_media_server', '/com/nokia/osso_media_server'), 'com.nokia.osso_media_server.music').pause() might do the trick | 20:33 |
| inz | Oops, he's gone | 20:34 |
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| * lcuk does not like scratchbox | 20:35 | |
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| * inz hasn't had troubles with it | 20:35 | |
| lcuk | inz i prefer on device building, it just relaxes my mind, too much of a brainfart to think about systems inside systems | 20:36 |
| inz | lcuk, well, that's quite simple way too, but depends of course how much and what are you compiling | 20:36 |
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| inz | lcuk, I wouldn't like to compile just about anything C++ on the device | 20:37 |
| * qwerty12 finds himself agitated with on-device compiling as it's effin' slow | 20:37 | |
| lcuk | i agree, c++ per file compilation time is prohibative on this device | 20:37 |
| lcuk | who knows though :) it might become reasonable for me on the new one ;) | 20:37 |
| * lcuk likes c and the build times are equivilent to net copuyy | 20:39 | |
| Macer | well.. it has been about 4 hours and this crap is still xfering | 20:39 |
| inz | I like C too | 20:39 |
| Macer | is scp supposed to be this slow? :) | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | s un8u9/. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it encrypts.. | 20:39 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: but damn... does it have that much overhead? | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, that really doesn't say much about your computer then... | 20:39 |
| lcuk | net copy ssh steps | 20:40 |
| Macer | at least the other VMs are smaller.. the shell box had a 200G vdisk | 20:40 |
| lcuk | was doing it in vmware as well | 20:40 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: it's topped out at 6.4MB/s on a gbit lan | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | sounds normal | 20:40 |
| Macer | that's normal?? | 20:40 |
| Macer | :) | 20:41 |
| Macer | well. i am stuck here waiting on this so i can get like 4 of my servers back up.. and i still have to xfer the dns | 20:41 |
| Macer | how lame heh | 20:41 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't have done it over ssh personally | 20:43 | |
| inz | Macer, you can always try to change to another cipher; but you probably don't want to restart now ;) | 20:43 |
| Macer | was the only way i could think to do it | 20:43 |
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| Macer | inz: sure don't. ;) | 20:43 |
| Macer | i'm going from one esxi box to another | 20:43 |
| Macer | my shuttle was running like absolute crap using esxi.. the VMs were going slow as hell and i couldn't figure out a way to make them better.. i tried everything | 20:44 |
| Macer | and i found a beta areca raid driver for esxi :) which is what my dual dual core 8G ram 8TB fileserver uses | 20:44 |
| Macer | so now esxi is running like a champ on that | 20:44 |
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| Macer | WARNING - Tech Support Mode is not supported unless used in | 20:46 |
| Macer | consultation with VMware Tech Support. | 20:46 |
| Macer | how cute | 20:46 |
| keesj | inz: the idea of the amd64 repository is that after that you can use the sdk installer directly? | 20:48 |
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| inz | keesj, no, you cannot use the installer, but you can easily install the sbox | 20:58 |
| wazd | back | 20:58 |
| wazd | any new exclusive info bout sdk?) | 20:59 |
| keesj | but it doens't show the cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 (only 2005) | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | wazd: refs to the RX-71 | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | (well, "ref") | 20:59 |
| wazd | Jaffa: RX-51 successor?) | 21:00 |
| wazd | Jaffa: or n97/maemo hybrid?) | 21:00 |
| qwerty12 | Going back to more than one device launched... | 21:00 |
| qwerty12 | Or maybe rx-51 was their devboard all this time :) | 21:00 |
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| lardman | I like the sound of 56 keys | 21:01 |
| wazd | qwerty12: I'm really scared of 3.5" screen possibility | 21:01 |
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| wazd | hello infobot! | 21:02 |
| lardman | wazd: yeah, same here | 21:02 |
| lardman | wazd: bring on 4.8"! | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Where's the 3.5" come from? | 21:02 |
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| wazd | lardman: well, bring maximum screen size in n810 case) | 21:02 |
| keesj | inz: but it's still 386? su I can install the compiler bianry myself?(sorry didn't really found the post very intuitive) | 21:03 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: well, 16:9 n97/5800 resolution of screenshots | 21:03 |
| lardman | wazd: I'd be happy with a bit bigger even, Psion 5 size | 21:03 |
| wazd | Jaffa: and huge close cross size | 21:03 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: bigger controls = smaller screen | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Which screenshot? The Arora one's obviously shrunk if you look at the titlebar and underlines | 21:04 |
| wazd | or Maemo UI designers are fans of big crosses :) | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | The big cross is fat-finger friendly | 21:04 |
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| Jaffa | ;-) | 21:04 |
| wazd | Jaffa: well, I want to press buttons with my toe :) | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | :) | 21:06 |
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| wazd | Well, alpha release brought more questions than answers :) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | how do i add stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list when i cant find the one i need to use :$ (/scratchbox/etc/... doesnt have it | 21:07 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, add it to the target's sources.list | 21:08 |
| qwerty12 | Or, rather, what are you trying to add? | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | the nokia binaries | 21:08 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, just run scratchbox, switch to FREMANTLE_ARMEL and vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 21:09 |
| lcuk | i just added the line to my /etc/apt/sources.list but i think that was ubuntus, and i cant find the ones for scratchbox | 21:09 |
| lcuk | nooooo last time i tried vi i almost reformatted the computer | 21:09 |
| wazd | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png <- does that row on the bottom is xephyr part or maemo 5? | 21:09 |
| qwerty12 | fine | 21:09 |
| lcuk | :$ | 21:10 |
| qwerty12 | /scratchbox/users/faheem/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/apt/sources.list | 21:10 |
| qwerty12 | s/faheem/$USER/ | 21:10 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/etc/apt/sources.list | 21:10 |
| lcuk | thanks ill find it that way :D | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i saw a post that said armel wasnt best for this one? | 21:10 |
| qwerty12 | Add it to both, but yes (thanks sampo) the gui wont start in armel :P | 21:10 |
| lcuk | thanks | 21:11 |
| wazd | ok maybe I'm wrong bout 3.5" | 21:12 |
| wazd | looks like top bar will be 50px height, same as maemo 4 | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, do all the nokia binaries download, im getting failures for gles | 21:17 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, they downloaded for me but I had to retry a few times | 21:17 |
| lcuk | i had to fakeroot and not sudo them | 21:19 |
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| lardman | wazd: well the screen size and res are not related really | 21:26 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, the installation instructions have some errors, I already submit a bug | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, i already had pre-alpha on, so im just muddling it in | 21:28 |
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| lardman | hi qgil | 21:29 |
| lcuk | is there any reason why it would run so slowly | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | is the background animated? | 21:31 |
| VDVsx | luck, ahh, I installed everthing again :), but the errors in the instructions are easy to resolve by linux users :) | 21:31 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, the UI is slow ? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | heh VDVsx that excludes me then :D | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | yeah, unbearably - ive got app manager main view on, clicking what i think is the minimize button takes ~5seconds to show "app mgr/settings/application" canola view | 21:33 |
| lcuk | the backgroundIS animated | 21:33 |
| VDVsx | are you using debian lenny ? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | im meant to be using the _x86 target arent i | 21:34 |
| lcuk | im using ubuntu | 21:34 |
| lcuk | direct on the tabletpc | 21:34 |
| lcuk | 8.10 | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | strange | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | am i meant to have a better experience than this then? | 21:34 |
| qwerty12 | if $USER = lcuk; then give_worst_experience_as_possible | 21:35 |
| lcuk | 6 seconds between clicking "settings" and actually having a settings window come up (with no content) | 21:35 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12, do you have 8.10 or 8.04 ? | 21:38 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, 8.10 but I use the kernel from 8.04 (dunno if it makes a difference) | 21:38 |
| VDVsx | I have also 8.04, can be a 8.10 issue | 21:38 |
| * RST38h moos | 21:40 | |
| qgil | Stskeeps: "some of the stuff is just stupid that is closed source" | 21:40 |
| * qwerty12 silences RST38h | 21:40 | |
| qgil | Stskeeps: file enhancement requests, some components might be meant to be open, just that the teams haven't got them through the process yet | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yep, i am making a list | 21:41 |
| qgil | others perhaps are indeed meant to be open, but we are anyway willing to hear reasons why it is a bad idea to have package X closed. | 21:41 |
| qgil | (back to backlog reading) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | but it was things like hald-addon-bme-dev, which essentially is a DBUS API :) | 21:42 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 21:43 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/arora-fremantle-640.png | 21:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: is that row on the bottom a Xephyr part? | 21:47 |
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| harbaum | Hi! | 21:48 |
| qgil | wazd: why are you so interested in that row? | 21:48 |
| wazd | qgil: if it's xephyr then the screen is 16:9 :) | 21:49 |
| wazd | qgil: if not then 16:10) | 21:49 |
| qgil | and what is 800x480? (sorry for my ignorance) | 21:49 |
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| wazd | qgil: 16:10 | 21:50 |
| qgil | so that is what matters to you | 21:50 |
| lcuk | wazd, you can run xephr with any resolution i believe | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, crazy designers ;) | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd: the bottom belongs to maemo | 21:51 |
| RST38h | not xephyr | 21:51 |
| wazd | qgil: well, if it's 16:9 then RX-51 will possibly have n97/5800 screen | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: in diablo, hildon not so much... | 21:51 |
| lcuk | hiya qgil btw, nice one on getting it out | 21:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, ok | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i personally didn't see it when i tried SDK | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | (the bottom thing) | 21:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: Would you care to enlighten us on one little thing? | 21:51 |
| qgil | wazd: and how many times do we need to write WVGA? :) | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Ok, you just did | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: WVGA actually means anything wider than 800x480 :P | 21:52 |
| harbaum | 800x480 == 16:10 ?? | 21:52 |
| RST38h | no problem | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | er, wider than VGA | 21:52 |
| wazd | qgil: 853x480 is wvga too) | 21:52 |
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| qgil | interesting | 21:52 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_VGA | 21:53 |
| qgil | well, I *think* this is about 800x480 business as usual | 21:53 |
| wazd | oh, 854, sorry | 21:53 |
| RST38h | qgil: as long as rx-51 does not have 640x360, I am at peace | 21:54 |
| qgil | http://static.maemo.org/static/m/Maemo5_alpha__SDK_Desktop.png = 800x480 | 21:54 |
| harbaum | Unfortunately none of the kernels released for the beagleboard support 800x480 ... | 21:54 |
| qgil | you seem to be interested reading between the source code lines than in the plain announcement :) | 21:55 |
| harbaum | So neither mer nor the fremantle sdk run at 800x480 there | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: then again the theme isn't half bad in 800x600 | 21:55 |
| RST38h | yeah | 21:55 |
| RST38h | qgil: in this case, we were analyzing the screenshots | 21:55 |
| wazd | qgil: ok, I'm satisfied :) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | qgil: which made very plausible case for 640x360 (because after resizing they fit that size exactly) | 21:56 |
| harbaum | But my screen on the bb is 800x480 ... | 21:56 |
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| harbaum | Speaking of the beagle board: When will there be a port of the alpha sdk for it? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | there is already one | 21:57 |
| qgil | guys, no idea about what Kate is doing with Xephyr, but if you want to know the resolution now you know it :) | 21:57 |
| qgil | harbaum: Juha Kallioinen is working on it and will release it as soon as he is done | 21:58 |
| qgil | hopefully in few days | 21:58 |
| qgil | we had to change the content of the alpha SDK several times last week | 21:58 |
| qgil | no big dal, just little details | 21:58 |
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| qgil | but enough to let understand Juha that it was better to let the SDK go out | 21:59 |
| qgil | and then align in the Beagle board edition | 21:59 |
| qgil | wow, that was fast: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29499609@N03/3323727244/ | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: mauku is really easy to port really, i even ran it on mer on x86 :P | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | but mauku is an essential part of maemo life :> | 22:01 |
| RST38h | qgil: Will the touchscreen surface protected the same way as in 5800 btw? | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | if only it would support identi.ca / laconi.ca as well... | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: & xchat :p | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | xchat for sure | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | we really should have a popularity contest application for maemo | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | seeing which apps are most in use :P | 22:02 |
| qgil | RST38h: no idea, maybe the case has a different color ;) | 22:02 |
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| Myrtti | though I don't understand what's so difficult in getting mauku to work with laconi.ca | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | IIRC it has twitter -compatible API and all | 22:03 |
| qgil | Myrtti: I'm sure Hnrik would welcome a patch :) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | qgil: ah, I don't care about the color (as long as it is not purple of course :)), but the new UI looks seriously finger oriented and none of the current tablet models have screen protection against extra pressure, dirt, etc | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: but you wouldn't mind a pink one? interesting | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | qgil: I know, but I'm only learning basics of python myself and I'm busy doing LaTeX and all that jazz | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | PINK? PINK? where's pink? | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | pink? | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: that goes under the definiotion of "light purple" as far as I care | 22:04 |
| wazd | call GeneralAntilles :) | 22:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: do you still have that hellokittycalc URL online? =) | 22:04 |
| sjgadsby | According to http://identi.ca/mauku Mauku does support identi.ca. Heh. | 22:05 |
| wazd | http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0903/35/b474b162c920.jpg | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: shutter came with some icons btw, so he's working on them | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: there! | 22:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: so how are they?) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: good, we gave him some advices and sent him back to drawing board i think | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | sjgadsby: might actually, my HE2008 is so unstable I can't use it at all. I should flash it back to OS2007HE2 | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | thoug | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Intel would port its Atom chip CPU cores to TSMC's technology platform. <=== hmmmmm | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | 2 weeks and I've got my n800 ♥ | 22:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: are there any examples online?) | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | wazd: :-DDDDDD | 22:07 |
| Myrtti | OMG I wantz a pink calculator! | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0902/91/ac99644bbaef.png (apps), http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0902/a5/a149f204a7bb.png (chat) , http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0902/c4/68d5568b8b01.jpg (web) | 22:07 |
| bongo|kup | myrtti sounds like a 14 years old girl | 22:07 |
| bongo|kup | :D | 22:07 |
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| Myrtti | bongo|kup: missed with 14 years, otherwise true | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti's 0? :o | 22:08 |
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| Myrtti | no, I'm ancient | 22:09 |
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| wazd | http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0902/a5/a149f204a7bb.png <- talking stomach :D | 22:09 |
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| harbaum | Who's responsible for the alpha-sdk-installation instructions? | 22:09 |
| harbaum | I am trying to follow it. It says: If you already have an existing scratchbox installation, jump to section 2.1 | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | wazd, urine bubble | 22:10 |
| qgil | RST38h: dunno and I have no other choice than trust the device engineers | 22:10 |
| harbaum | But section 2.1 is about installing scratchbox 1 | 22:10 |
| harbaum | This should probably refer to section 2.2 | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | harbaum: just add the repo & run the apt-get | 22:11 |
| harbaum | qwerty12_N800: I _have_ a scratchbox | 22:12 |
| harbaum | Or what are you referring to? | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | harbaum: and? the apt-get installs new devkits | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4927224/Pink-dolphin-appears-in-US-lake.html | 22:13 |
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| Myrtti | :-O | 22:14 |
| harbaum | I am trying to follow the instructions in section 2.2. But | 22:14 |
| harbaum | sb-conf st FREMANTLE_X86 -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 -d perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t none | 22:14 |
| harbaum | fails with sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 22:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I've been experimenting with bubble base for icons http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0903/25/bed0a0c7670e.png | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hmm, could be curious | 22:15 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: it's png so you can try it on different backgrounds | 22:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | harbaum: installed with the apt-get from 2.1. and you can use the fremantle *sdk* installer script even if you already have sbox installed | 22:16 |
| harbaum | qwerty12_N800: Ah ... perhaps the title of that section is just a little misleading | 22:17 |
| qgil | from all the comments I see the one that caught me more by surprise is the Canola remembrance | 22:18 |
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| aquatix | qgil: which is that? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: there is a bit of canola interaction over it yeah | 22:18 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: can you define "Canola interaction"? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: now this is the kind of thing that could be a lot easier to explain with a screenshot, waving hands and cardboard prototypes.. | 22:19 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: this is why I feel not worth to start discussing :) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | the canola challenge, we showed 20 users the preview and lots said "new canola"? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: hehe, yeah | 22:20 |
| qgil | until people see the behavior in the sdk | 22:20 |
| qgil | lcuk: just because they see 3 icons and a background behind | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:22 |
| lcuk | mind you, i cant see anything anymore :'( | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | like when people see _ v X and a titlebar and left corner icon.. | 22:22 |
| qgil | interesting conclusions like "i wonder if its a indication that nokia is aiming at the net enabled media player that archos have been showing of" | 22:23 |
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| ShadowJK | and world domination? | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | just as long as you don't start adding within-maemo advertisements for docking stations when they connect to a charger.. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | no Stskeeps those will be limited to the desktop you are closest to | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | unlike archos, nokia aren't desperate | 22:25 |
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| wazd | qgil: say thanks that they don't call it iphone-clone :) | 22:25 |
| qgil | well, the continuation of the quote above points to that direction | 22:25 |
| wazd | qgil: icons+background+touchscreen=iphoneclone | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, has there been any discussion here about the rumours of a symbian netbook? :-) | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | wazd, no way | 22:26 |
| rzr | ShadowJK: realy ? | 22:26 |
| rzr | +l | 22:26 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, that's what people say now) | 22:26 |
| wazd | http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0903/aa/33397043ca65.jpg | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, indeed | 22:27 |
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| ShadowJK | apple cloned everyone! | 22:28 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: testing 0.9, got the "Allow Access" prompt from gnome keyring again | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: wtf :P | 22:30 |
| qgil | quick survey: best/worst/most surprising bits of the alpha SDK announcement? | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | best = it came :) | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most surprising: the kernel changelog (again) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: orientation/rotation | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worst is the new closed source stuff that really doesn't seem justified. | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | oh, and the vibration API. | 22:32 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind his tablet vibrating upon xchat message for instance, when out walking | 22:32 | |
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| wazd | qgil: no statusbar/desktop widgets guidelines = we're smoking again :) | 22:33 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: about closed stuff see my comment above tot Stskeeps | 22:33 |
| wazd | qgil: good news: 800x480 :) | 22:34 |
| qgil | wazd: guidlines will come for the beta, or actually as soon as we have them ready | 22:34 |
| qgil | we didn't wait the code to wait the docs | 22:34 |
| qgil | we didn't want the code to wait the docs | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, yeah, it's just unfortunate we have to start out 2 steps back. :( | 22:34 |
| qgil | just start making a list enumerating components | 22:35 |
| VDVsx | best -> the new apis, especially the location stuff :) | 22:35 |
| qgil | many components are planned to be open for the final release, now the priority is to make them work | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, it would help if we could get an indicate of which ones those are from Nokia. | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/indicate/indication/ | 22:36 |
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| qgil | GeneralAntilles: another possibility is: don't panic and wait | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised the Beagle community hasn't noticed the drivers. | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: they might when maemo-beagle gets updated | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, been waiting for so long, though, already. :( | 22:38 |
| qgil | wait till the final release, I mean | 22:38 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: qgil, it would help if we could get an indication of which ones those are from Nokia. | 22:38 |
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| * Stskeeps wanders off to a game of chess with the fiancee | 22:38 | |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ok, now it's called "chess game" xD | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | Hehehe | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Geely is buying Volvo | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | ~lart me | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen! | 22:46 |
| lcuk | o_O | 22:46 |
| lcuk | fuckaduck | 22:47 |
| mikkov_ | "Calling maemo-select-menu-location is deprecated. It does nothing now." | 22:47 |
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| Jaffa | Excellent | 22:48 |
| * qwerty12_N800 knows not to visit the ponds in Manchester now | 22:48 | |
| Jaffa | Hopefully thinggs'll be filed by property | 22:48 |
| mikkov_ | but where did my application go? :| | 22:48 |
| Jaffa | s/by property/properly/ | 22:48 |
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| * lcuk kicks ubuntu | 22:49 | |
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| qgil | first review? http://www.slashgear.com/maemo-5-alpha-sdk-released-hardware-3d-acceleration-lbs-0236054/ | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | qgil: how're the device(s) progressing? | 22:51 |
| qgil | Jaffa: what do you mean? | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | Need shiny hardware to go with shiny OS ;-) | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here, fishy fishy fishy. | 22:52 |
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| qgil | ah, hardware | 22:52 |
| qgil | well, the Beagle board is doing well, thanks ;) | 22:52 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 22:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries to prod the wiki into life. | 22:54 | |
| qgil | interesting that the ITt thread that started talking about Nokia hibernation ended up discussing device hibernation... | 22:57 |
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| * GeneralAntilles begins kicking the wiki. | 22:57 | |
| Jaffa | qgil: hopefully more constructive that way, since no-one sensible thought you were idling | 22:58 |
| lcuk | kick my tabletpc as well please gan | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Silly people being silly (as usual). | 22:58 |
| mikkov_ | is there fullscreen button in maemo5? | 22:58 |
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| Jaffa | mikkov_: screens have been deprectaed; voice is the primary UI | 22:59 |
| qgil | mikkov_: mmm... that would be the power button ;) | 22:59 |
| mikkov_ | I mean 'HILDON_HARDKEY_FULLSCREEN' does not exist any more? | 23:00 |
| * wazd has made uber-bubble template) | 23:00 | |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 23:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Want to throw the roadmap at qole and the wiki wont load. | 23:00 |
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| qgil | mikkov_: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_overview/ "Removal of left side Task Navigator and plugins" | 23:03 |
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| Jaffa | mikkov_: i.e. it's mostly fullscreen all of the time | 23:04 |
| mikkov_ | OK, how do I switch between applications? | 23:06 |
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| wazd | mikkov_: later :) | 23:06 |
| wazd | mikkov_: multitasking is not supported now | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | telepathy :) | 23:07 |
| mikkov_ | well leafpad seems to work | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: what's the version number of libhildon in the latest alpha? maybe its changelog says something | 23:09 |
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| mikkov_ | 2.1.42-2 | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, hildon-defines.h still has it here | 23:12 |
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| qgil | alright, good evening and have fun (finally) with Fremantle! | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | evening (thanks for the sdk to all involved) | 23:15 |
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| * luke-jr wonders if there'd be a market for an extremely integrated GPS/directions/etc framework/toolkit | 23:17 | |
| roope | yah, no full screen key. | 23:18 |
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| Jaffa | roope: good to hear that, the task navigator was frustratingly wasteful | 23:22 |
| roope | jaffa: yes. | 23:23 |
| roope | we tried to reduce to bare minimum (as can be seen). | 23:23 |
| roope | i'm a big fan on one button. you can't press the wrone one. ;) | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | Although withe the 5" screen and 2048x1080 res, less so ;-) | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | games usually like more than one button ;) | 23:25 |
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| hannesw | is that multi-second gui response time normal, or is that just my laptop (and lcuk's, it seems)? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes things mighty inconvenient for FBReader, though. :\ | 23:26 |
| wazd | guys, what do you think bout that idea? http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg | 23:26 |
| roope | no, it's not normal. | 23:26 |
| wazd | icon stylization | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I don't care for the gumdrop icon style. | 23:26 |
| roope | ga: there are ways for apps to go full screen also without a hw key. | 23:27 |
| roope | but of course you do need to redesign something. | 23:27 |
| hannesw | hm, maybe related to this ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/288650 | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, requiring me to tap things on screen for my ebook reader when I've never had to before is obnoxious to me. | 23:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: I still hate the task switcher | 23:28 |
| RST38h | it is out of place | 23:28 |
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| roope | rst: where should it be? | 23:28 |
| hannesw | intel graphics driver has lots of performance issues in intrepid and jaunty... | 23:28 |
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| RST38h | roope: I would say it should pop up from the "Tasks" button at the top left | 23:29 |
| roope | ga: some hw keys do remain. | 23:29 |
| gratz|home | Hey, having a few problems flashing an n800 on linux to latest relase "RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", using flasher-3.0 just getting the message Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 23:29 |
| gratz|home | tried the perl patch, still no joy, n800 is working ok at the moment | 23:29 |
| roope | rst: umm, well, there isn't a switcher there in alpha at all. | 23:30 |
| gratz|home | any ideas? | 23:30 |
| roope | which switcher are you commenting? | 23:30 |
| RST38h | roope: I think you mistook my answer to wazd for something else | 23:30 |
| wazd | roope: http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0903/ad/d19169255138.jpg | 23:30 |
| roope | rst: oh, ok. | 23:30 |
| RST38h | roope: as to the alpha, do you mean there won't be a way to make app full screen? | 23:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: on "tasks" click there planned to be detailed switcher :) | 23:31 |
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| roope | rst: sure you can do it. | 23:31 |
| roope | don't just expect a hard key. | 23:31 |
| RST38h | roope: is there some other way? | 23:32 |
| RST38h | I mean, once the app if full screen, how do you get it back? | 23:32 |
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| roope | depends on the app. | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ssh + wmctrl :> | 23:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: file -> view -> application -> settings -> controls -> fullscreen -> on :) | 23:33 |
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| roope | but in general apps try to use the screen so that there's no need for a separate mode. | 23:33 |
| RST38h | roope: wait there is something wrong with this picture | 23:33 |
| RST38h | roope: let us say my app goes full screen and then hangs | 23:33 |
| roope | for an image viewer it's easy to guess how. | 23:33 |
| RST38h | roope: because there are no system managed hw buttons I can't get out of it | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Home key? | 23:34 |
| RST38h | roope: and I can't get out of full screen either? | 23:34 |
| hannesw | lcuk: you also have very slow response times with alpha sdk? do you happen to have intel graphics chip and ubuntu intrepid? | 23:34 |
| roope | i think there's a system that offers to kill hanged apps. | 23:34 |
| roope | not 100% sure though. | 23:34 |
| roope | but don't do hanging full screen apps. :) | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:35 |
| RST38h | roope: the whole thing sounds less reliable than os2008 | 23:35 |
| roope | the power key is still there. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's an answer. . . . | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: tbh, if the program is hung, a fullscreen wouldn't help. there should be a button to switch programs though, agreed | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Long-press on esc will probably do something. | 23:35 |
| RST38h | yes | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/fullscreen/fullscreen button/ | 23:35 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: RST38h: tbh, if the program is hung, a fullscreen button wouldn't help. there should be a button to switch programs though, agreed | 23:35 |
| * RST38h wonders if the device will have a blue symbian key | 23:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody else who's nominated so far has blogs to advertise on. | 23:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles just has the Council blog. :( | 23:36 | |
| gratz|home | forget that, sorted it :) | 23:36 |
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| roope | anyway i'm really happy to get rid of the full screen hw key. amongst other. | 23:37 |
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| wazd | more buttons - better :) | 23:38 |
| wazd | it's much easier not to use buttons than to add more :) | 23:38 |
| roope | full screen key made poor design possible for a long time. | 23:39 |
| wazd | roope: poor design of what? | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of the UI. | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but that's nokia's fault for taking advantage then | 23:40 |
| roope | much mode switching, for the users. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just think what a pain in the ass it is having to toggle fullscreen all the time. | 23:40 |
| roope | wasteful screen space usage. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Up, new email! Shit, missed the notification. <fullscreen>" | 23:40 |
| RST38h | what wasteful screen usage? | 23:40 |
| wazd | How does button connected with UI design?) | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | Browser & terminal both had to be fullscreened, most of the time | 23:40 |
| roope | the task bar, for instance. | 23:40 |
| roope | wazd: of course they are linked. | 23:41 |
| RST38h | oh you mean wasteful usage in windowed mode | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having the full horizontal resolution available will help a LOT. | 23:41 |
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| roope | the ui is the hw and the sw. | 23:41 |
| wazd | roope: it's not hardware design that rules the software | 23:41 |
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| roope | and how they play together. | 23:41 |
| wazd | roope: they are both | 23:41 |
| RST38h | roope: is there a dpad? =) | 23:42 |
| wazd | roope: there is no "oh shit, we have to have fullscreen button, lets make it do some stuff" :) | 23:42 |
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| roope | wazd: in a perfect world. | 23:43 |
| wazd | I don't know what's the problem was with making full-width UI with fullscreen button for maximizing) | 23:43 |
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| roope | anyways, the past is the past. | 23:43 |
| roope | rst: nothing prevents a device to have one. ;) | 23:45 |
| roope | but no, i can't tell. | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | eh | 23:47 |
| roope | the full screen button practically mandated every app to do full screen,even those where there was really no point. having a button that would work only sometimes wouldn't be good. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | See: Control Panel. | 23:49 |
| roope | that plus taking your fingers off the screen for switching back are not good things. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use my thumbs | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means my index finger rests along the top | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no issue there. | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah. no stylus kbd | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | no on screen kbd at all? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fullscreen only | 23:51 |
| roope | there's the finger one still. | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it actually works this time around. | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | that very well explains why fremantle HIM 'isn't' working in mer.. | 23:51 |
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| Anidel | hi all | 23:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles is amazed and astounded by the insane number of bugs Nokia shipped in the finger keyboard. | 23:52 | |
| b-man | hello | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Oh, we've got a hardware keyboard, N800 users can go fall down a cliff." | 23:52 |
| Anidel | ga like what? | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, like the return key only working about half the time. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or everything fingerkeyboard related being broken in MicroB | 23:52 |
| roope | there were some issues with the browser. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, and everything else. | 23:53 |
| Anidel | 'cause I didn't remember it sucked so much...it did, but actually it wasn't that bad | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, about 70% of the time I have to press the return key on the vkb to actually get it to send return. | 23:53 |
| roope | but well, there were lots of issues wuth the browser. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the return key on the finger keyboard doesn't work most of the time. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugs I filed in 2007, but which were never fixed. | 23:54 |
| Anidel | maybe in Fremantle :p | 23:54 |
| b-man | heh | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you can use the fingerkeyboard, though, right? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to get that open sourced. | 23:54 |
| Anidel | I'm gonna need a bt keyboard if i want to irc on the tablet | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: what, the closed one? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, it'll work, right? | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | should | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, I do it with the finger keyboard all the time. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | nothing else works atm | 23:55 |
| Anidel | one can write a new one, can't he? | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | not the example vkb either | 23:55 |
| Anidel | ga: gotta use it for a while... my hands hurt after too much use of the n810 keyboard | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I wonder how well getting the key and adding the nokia binaries repo to mer will work | 23:56 |
| Anidel | dinner's ready | 23:57 |
| Anidel | (having a late oneì | 23:58 |
| Anidel | ) | 23:58 |
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| Stskeeps | .. wtf at libcityinfo and clockd.. | 23:59 |
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