IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-03-01

lbtCarribean here I come...00:00
mavhcreceiving the return signal is the hard bit I imagine00:02
lcukin principle its the same problem00:02
oliit worked quite well when I didn't turn wrong way00:02
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oli gmaps can't be wrong : P00:05
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Macerblah... going to have to put debian on the main server00:11
Macerfbsd can't run vmware00:11
Macerwhat a shame00:12
Macerhope debian isn't too bad00:12
* aquatix rather likes debian00:14
aquatixbut it's a matter of taste i guess00:14
* b-man uploads sys-env-base and sys-env-x to ubuntu repo to make installing ubuntu from an installer easyer/faster00:14
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lcukoli, its no wonder it worked, your country is rendered at a lower dpi than other google earth countries, therefore the bits in your wifi transmission travel further00:15
aquatixoli: hm, you have composite and google earth? i gather the screen doesn't flicker?00:15
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oliaquatix: everything's ok00:18
olilcuk: i had a clear wlan channel and optic visibility... it had to work, imo00:18
aquatixoli: what graphical driver do you have?00:19
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oliaquatix: i'm not sure i'm using composite ;)00:21
olinvidia-glx-96 -> 96.43.09-0ubuntu1.100:22
aquatixah, nvidia00:23
* aquatix uses fglrx and intel on another machine00:24
aquatixthose tend to flicker when in composite mode :(00:24
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aquatixat least, with google earth00:24
aquatixoh well00:24
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oliold 4000mx, worth one beer :)00:25
bef0rdI can see some flicker on my GMA950 with compiz enabled when new windows appear, its fugly :< I prefer to disable compiz00:25
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neatojonesis anyone here good at ciphering config.log jibberish?00:41
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AndrewFBlackI just got that 770 that guy on itt sent me00:43
Jaffaneatojones: config.lo?00:44
Jaffaneatojones: config.log?00:44
neatojonesI'm working on making e17 debs.  I can make the debs, but I can't get the keyboard to work00:45
neatojones(onscreen keyboard)00:45
neatojonesand according to raster (the e17 guy), it's related to a problem somewhere in ecore00:45
neatojonesso, I'm looking at the config.log file for errors.  I've found some, but most don't make any sense00:45
neatojonesthey aren't giving me useful info (that I can tell)00:46
neatojonesthe frustrating thing is that he said he used mer to install it, just like I did and got it working, so he must be doing something slightly different, but the key is what?00:47
JaffaSo this is e17's config.log file?00:49
JaffaBecause "config.log" is fairly generic, y'know ;-)00:49
neatojonesyeah, but I figured one's ability to cipher them would be universal00:52
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JaffaNo. The format a random app logs in, and the specific useful messages it logs, are entirely specific to it.00:52
JaffaUnless there's a big message in it saying "THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FILE ....; PUT A ';' AT THE END OF LINE 24"; but I figure you'd see that yourself.00:53
neatojoneshmm.  Maybe so.00:53
neatojonesI know it'd help to have a hand in the code that you are compiling00:53
neatojonesbut, some errors can be generic00:53
neatojoneslike gcc errors or whatever00:53
JaffaSo this is the config.log generated by running ./configure?00:53
Jaffa(or dpkg-buildpackage?)00:54
neatojonesor "hey, idiot you need to install such and such"00:54
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JaffaLook through it, send it to raster - or ask him for his - and do a diff <shrug/>00:54
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neatojonesyeah. that's what I'm thinking on doing.  But it is  LONG.00:54
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neatojonesthe compile errors don't stop the compile00:55
neatojonesso, I don't even know if they are really a problem.00:55
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b-manhello, neatojones :)01:03
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neatojoneshey b-man01:03
b-mani'm switching to an easier install method for ubuntu by adding sys-env-base and sys-env-x to the ubuntu repo - witch basicly are metapackages like nit-env-basic and nit-env-x in deblet :)01:06
neatojonesvery nice01:06
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neatojonesallow easier setup01:07
b-manyou'll be able to install the base system with only a couple of commands XD01:07
neatojonesthat'll be sweet01:07
neatojonesI do a new install about every couple days just to keep testing stuff01:07
neatojonesspend most of the time hacking around in the same old stuff01:08
oli <- my super mp3-play script, test please :) req. bash, wget, mplayer01:08
b-mani'll also be adding sys-env-ubuntu-desktop, sys-env-kubuntu, sys-env-lxde and, sys-env-e17 eventually :)01:09
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neatojonesthat would be great.01:09
neatojonesI'm still working on the keyboard01:09
neatojonesand I'm a it's killing me.01:10
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AndrewFBlackhey where do you download HE editions of OS2007 and OS2008?01:10
neatojonesThe keyboard is supposedly really great.  I'll make some debs from what I've built.01:10
neatojonesI have the debian control files already setup.01:10
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
b-mani'm still working on getting a package up that will install most of the x11 configuration files in ubuntu :)01:12
b-mane.g. rc.local and xorg.conf01:13
AndrewFBlackbefore I feel like an idiot 770 only has the one mmc card slot right01:13
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neatojonesAndrewFBlack: sorry, don't know.01:13
b-mani think it only has one :p01:14
* b-man uploads new packages to repo01:15
b-mani've also included more stuff from deblet01:16
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AndrewFBlackI guess qole thinks I do because he put an empty txt file named thanks.andrew01:18
b-mansame with qwerty12 ;)01:18
AndrewFBlack well atleast he put something in his file lol01:19
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bef0rd what's the name of this theme?01:20
AndrewFBlacktritrilliam or something01:21
qwerty12_N800bef0rd: tritanium in extras01:21
AndrewFBlackhey I was close01:21
AndrewFBlackhey qwerty btw01:22
qwerty12_N800(although the fonts are the droid ones in that screenie)01:22
qwerty12_N800hi AndrewFBlack :)01:22
AndrewFBlackbef0rd more screenshots and their other themes at
bef0rdMy n810 needs some love heh01:23
AndrewFBlackI can't tell if this 770 has a mushy screen or a screen protector01:23
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pupnikthe screen on 770 is mushier feeling than N81001:24
b-manhello StsN800 :)01:24
pupnikyou can tighten up the feel by substituting a shorter 'click' tapping sound01:24
AndrewFBlackwell I really only got it for testing some stuff on so I wont be using it much01:25
neatojonesdid anyone ever find anything with the N810 keyboard status in Mer?01:25
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neatojonesI was just wondering if there is a place I can look to research it.01:26
neatojonesalso where is ignore_built_in_keyboards file located?01:26
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neatojonesWOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I got the onscreen keyboard going!!!01:44
fireungood job01:44
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neatojonesnow to make debs01:44
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lcukhow do we deal with development.  properly i mean. we have people working on all different parts, but each island doesnt know the codebase for the others, so solutions in one area arent relatable to others.  this is a direct linux problem as well in a way01:50
Maceroh good lord01:50
Macerit's over for twitter... they are showing it on the news about how cool it is01:50
lcukyeah they do lol01:50
* Macer adds twitter to the future lame list01:51
Macerlike myspace01:51
lcuktwitter is just irc where everyone is on /ignore by default01:51
Maceri hate when they show news stories about these sorts of things01:51
lcukthe thing is, it can work, theres more expected but twitter has it - location freedom and quick simple effects01:52
Macerruin it for everybody :) then they show arrogant white people doing things on their yuppie macbook talking about how cool they are because they use twitter01:52
lcuki saw a top 20 porn stars on twitter the other day01:52
Macertera patrick make the cut? :)01:52
lbt_twitter is for people who think that what they say is more important than what they listen to01:52
lcukmind you, i dont wanna know that they just took a crap01:53
lcukwasnt reading01:53
Macerlbt_: haha01:53
Macerlbt_: isn't that what blogging is for?01:53
Macerdon't even get me started on "blogging" i just want to systematically murder people that say it in public01:53
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Maceror people on tv who say "i'll put it on my blog ha ha ha ha ha"01:54
lbt_some blogging makes sense -01:54
lbt_family things01:54
* neatojones adds Macer to his list of people to avoid in dark alleys01:54
Maceryeah i suppose.. but most of it is like.... UGHHHH01:54
MacerSHUTUP!! :)01:54
Macerneatojones: just don't say "i'll blog it" and you'll be fine01:54
lbt_I read a blog once01:54
lcuklbt, liqbase is intended to be shared as well. the calendar and quick notes are perfect for this kind of thing01:55
* neatojones doesn't blog because he's too lazy.01:55
Macersome of them are OK.. like i don't mind review blogs or hardware blogs that have actual information about things01:55
lbt_some bloggers are good writers - funny01:55
lcukbut not really general public consumption - just between me and tracy usually, or between me and work ppl01:55
Macerbut to hear about a penis piercing and how peple want to kill themselves.. etc01:55
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lbt_Macer: what blogs are you looking for!!!01:55
Macerdon't tell the internet.. tell a shrink01:55
* neatojones avoids reading like the plague and doesn't think his life is worth others reading about (as he posts useless information about himself on xchat)01:55
lcuki use irc as my blog :D01:56
Macerlcuk: as you should!01:56
Macerbut irc is irc :) a blog is just lame01:56
lbt_lcuk: yep, I used to blog as a way of making notes01:56
lbt_it failed01:56
lcuki have a general public chan and my liqbase chan01:56
lcukwell thats the second part of whats being built :) we shall come to that later01:56
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* bef0rd waits for 'export to svg' feature on liqbase01:56
lcukbef0rd, but i did a convert to svg, and frankly i was not impressed with the results01:57
lcukthat is svg01:57
lcukdirect from sketches01:57
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lcukthe svgs are awful at being rendered01:58
lcukthey each take an age01:58
lcukand cant be resized in a "cool" manner01:58
neatojoneslcuk, your image posts to ITT nearly crashed my computer this morning.01:58
lcukand scrolling with them is crap01:58
bef0rdthey look nice for me heh01:58
lcuklolololol neatojones i made it a link01:58
lcukbef0rd, minimize and reshow the page, thers something wrong with refreshes for svg01:58
neatojonesit 100%01:59
lcukwhen i did that and saw how bad it was i redirected self elsewhere01:59
lcukbut - its easy to do and ill put it somewhere if you want it01:59
lcukneatojones, it rebooted my tablet once02:00
Macerugh. i need to start installing debian on this goddamn beast of a computer02:00
lcukand crashed the app the other times02:00
Macerbut taking it down is going to be a pain02:00
bef0rdlcuk, yea, thanks! I think about it more like a way to use those drawings in other applications heh, maybe printing them when needed02:00
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lcukwell bef0rd i *know* pdf has lines (i once wrote a pdf export tool for work), its just me not having enough fingers to catch up with what i want to achieve02:01
Maceri need to find some fast socket 940 cpus02:02
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* lcuk curses the dev direction he took sometimes02:02
Macertoo bad newegg only has 2.6GHz ones02:02
lcukbut its been an interesting year02:02
Maceri wanted 2.8 if i could find them02:02
lcukis bluemaemo a remote control app or a keyboard sim?02:03
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Macerdoes mer still have 2 menus?02:03
lcuk2 menus?02:04
lcukfor what?02:04
lcuki installed it the other night02:04
Macerlast i tried it02:04
Maceri was getting 2 app menus :)02:04
Macerwas just wondering if that was fixed02:05
lcuki only noticed one?02:05
Macerhm..well.. i had 2 :)02:05
MacerSts said it was a known problem02:05
lcukask him tomorrow then02:05
lcuksomeone else migth know tho02:06
Macerheh.. ok.. i'm off to lie down02:06
lcuki couldnt get very far with it though because i couldnt get onto wifi :$02:06
Macerthe wifi worked02:06
Macerit was very nice to tell you the truth.. but that double menu thing it had going on was going to drive me nuts02:07
lcuki use adhoc and needed to put additional settings in02:07
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neatojonesthe double menu occurs if you try changing the menu settings02:11
neatojonesIt annoyed me too, so I just reinstalled Mer and then avoided the menu settings02:12
b-manneatojones: do you mind if i add your e17 package to the ubuntu repo? :)02:15
neatojonesyeah.  But, I'm actually making real install debs right now.  They might be better02:15
neatojonesthat package downloads a script that downloads and builds e17 from svn. I'm making actual e17 packages right now that are prebuilt.02:16
neatojonesthe other method takes about 5 hours02:16
neatojones...a little less than ideal02:16
neatojonesIt'll be a while before they are done.  I did an update just prior and it's rebuilding with the latest from svn.02:19
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b-manyour building the whole env?02:19
lcukno, hes recoding it from scratch02:19
neatojonesno, just the parts that updated02:20
neatojoneshopefully, wont' take that long.  But, I figured if I was going to make packages, they ought to be the most uptodate first02:20
neatojonesbye the way.  this keyboard IS really neat02:21
bef0rdpicture or it didn't happen02:23
neatojonesI have screenshot, but I've not had a chance to upload it anywhere.  The system is busy building packages.02:26
neatojonesreally hard to explain anyway...02:26
neatojones(not my video, but it sort of explains it.02:27
lcukdo people like these popout keys02:28
bef0rdbut it seems hard to use with fingers02:28
lcuki never liked em so didnt do it lol02:28
neatojonesit's actually really easy on here.02:28
neatojonesthat's a "terminal" keyboard02:28
lcukbef0rd, it does adjacent tap tracking thing02:28
bef0rdoh, that's an openmoko02:28
neatojonesthe normal one has much larger letters02:28
bef0rdit has smaller screen I think02:28
b-manneatojones: wow 0_o02:28
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neatojonesand if you tap on the screen a magnifier pops up02:28
neatojonesthat shows you the letter you're pressing02:28
b-manthat's awsome :D02:29
neatojonesand it has word selection/correction02:29's hard to explain it all.  I may have to make a video02:29
neatojonesit does some amazing things.02:29
neatojonesuses gestures too02:29
neatojonesslide down the keyboard for enter02:29
neatojonesslide left is backspace...etc02:30
b-mandoes it use mesa?02:31
neatojonesI'll get the debs out as soon as possible.  You'll see it's pretty sweet.02:31
bef0rdit looks like edje02:31
neatojonesit is.02:31
neatojonesit's e1702:31
b-manoh :)02:31
neatojonesillume is a module for it.02:32
neatojonesraster claims his loaded with 12MB of RAM/swap total02:32
neatojonesusing Illume02:32
b-mannice :)02:32
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neatojonesbut, in order to get the keyboard on N810, you have to tell it to ignore all hardware keyboards. (works fine on N800).  So, I need to figure out a better way to do this).02:34
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qwerty12_N800neatojones: as the normal user would work03:19
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pupnikgoogle has no results for "centipede geyser" :(03:37
pupnik... fixed03:37
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neatojonesthanks qwerty12_N80003:54
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neatojonesI'll put that script with the E17 instructions when I get finished with the packages or eventually make it part of a package. (I was just going to have people make do it on their own.)04:00
qwerty12_N800Cool, glad it helped. :)04:01
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jaemhello everybody04:08
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alex_mayorgahi, is there a safe way to try android in a n800?04:56
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* neatojones begins making e17 packages...this is going to take a while05:35
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Macerdebian is absolutely awesome05:48
Macerit has been a long time since i used it last05:49
Macerbut it is....... wow05:49
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ranjithI am a prefinal year computer science engineering student from kerala/India, interested in open source development. And I would like to participate in this gsoc .. how can i contribute to you if your projects are still open..?06:04
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GeneralAntillesranjith, I don't think we're quite that far along yet.06:05
GeneralAntillesranjith, see
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx in here may be able to help, but it looks like he's offline right now.06:06
* neatojones is still on his first package of 32. (This is REALLY going to take a while)06:08
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* timeless wonders about the odds of a father and son contributing to the same project06:09
neatojones*neatojones is on #2...woohoo!06:15
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ranjithGeneralAntilles:sorry for replaying so late..06:26
ranjithGeneralAntilles: I have gone through the link you gave sometimes before But dint get a clear picture of your projects.. I am a little experienced with c and python programming .. And would like to know Can I start studying the existings codes for your projects now..?06:28
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ranjithor how can i start..?06:28
GeneralAntillesranjith, well, nothing's been finalized yet.06:29
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GeneralAntillesranjith, for now, it may help to familiarize yourself with Maemo as much as possible.06:34
ranjithGeneralAntilles: Ok I will try to familiarise myself to maemo as possible..06:42
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ranjithI will try to go through the existing projects in maemo and will try to understand the source codes available.. andI hope the mailing lists will be help full to understand the code base..06:52
ranjithany way thank you for your time..06:52
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neatojoneshey b-man07:01
b-mani'm at a party atm :)07:01
* b-man feels a bit sick - ate too much food ;p07:02
Macerdoes anybody mnow if ufs can be mounted ro in debian?07:02
Macermnow know07:03
neatojonesb-man the debs for e17 are going slow, but they are building.  Who/how should I send them for inclusion in a repo?07:04
Macerwhat a let down07:05
Maceri can't believe debian can't mount ufs07:05
b-manneatojones: you can upload them to a mirror ;)07:05
b-manso i can copy them over07:06
neatojonesat this rate, it may be a couple days.  But, I'll try and find a mirror to put them to.07:07
zakkmb-man: got ubuntu to boot and all, hate it i did uh lxde but i switched back to maemo ;p07:08
zakkmgreat port though :)07:09
zakkmneatojones: your e17 deb didnt work for me07:09
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neatojoneswhat failed?  deps?07:11
neatojonesthese ones should work better.07:12
neatojonesthat one simply downloads the code and compiles it.07:12
neatojonesthe ones i'm building now are the actual program07:12
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neatojoneszakkm:  give it another try with the next set.07:13
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zakkmneatojones: the e17 deb.07:15
zakkmprobably bad old image ;p07:15
zakkmits okay, dont use my nokia anymore, just wanted to try it out, saw your e17 screenshots and im like wow got to try this, hate e17 on desktop though07:16
neatojonesNo, it downloads whatever the current ones are from svn07:16
neatojonesyou'll have to see the new illume module.  it's a bit different07:16
neatojoneslike I said, just give me a bit of time to get these done and give it a try then.07:17
neatojonesshould work better.  B-man is working on an even simpler way to get it going.07:17
neatojonesshould eventually be pretty automated install/setup07:17
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geoaxishello people, offtopic question : my new n810 NIT's screen is feeling a bit loose on the right side08:19
geoaxisit stays in its position while typing , but its irritating08:19
geoaxis(i just started noticing it ...hope i wasnt the cause for did suffer some wheat of a jerk a while aago falling though)08:20
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AStormgeoaxis: common problem08:21
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AStormscreen mounts aren't all that great08:21
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fuzzenis it possible to make the microb browser in os2008 not display the warning about javascript scripts running slow?08:23
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AStormso fast I can't respond. oh well...08:27
neatojonesgeoaxis: Mine is the same way08:30
neatojonesthe right side is looser08:30
Macerwow this sucks08:30
Macerhave to move shit to external hard drives08:30
Macerthank god i only got up to 1.5TB on the raid08:31
fireunmaybe delete a couple movies?08:31
Maceri am ;)08:31
Maceri'm going to lose a FEW things08:31
fireunspring cleaning08:32
Macerit's ok tho.. i can just download them later08:32
Macerstill sucks tho08:32
Macertrying to get rid of fbsd on the box and install debian08:32
fireunyou wont miss em08:32
Macerdebian is awesome now08:32
Macerfireun: yeah... i won't08:32
Maceri hardly watch the movies anyways.. but the shows.. i do watch the shows ;)08:32
Macerso now i have to move them to external usb drives08:32
Macermight as well take a nap while this does this08:32
Macerthen i have to hook up the other hd and hope it works08:33
Macerraid 108:33
fireunI should never gotten rid of my deadwood collection08:33
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Macerfireun: re-downloding would be easy08:33
Macerit still sucks tho.. i'm trying to save as much as i can08:33
Macerotherwise i'm going to be burning out my cable modem ;)08:33
fireundeleting is faster than copying08:33
Macersure is08:34
Macer:) but i can't start from scratch08:34
Maceri need to save a few things08:34
Macerespecially my zimbra stuff08:34
Macerthis is a harsh move for me considering it's an 8TB file server08:34
Maceronly thing that doesn't make it so bad is that i only used 1.5TB08:35
Macerand i just noticed my shell box is off with the time.. wtf? :)08:35
Maceri am trying to install vmware on this thing and eliminate the esx shuttle k4508:36
Macerone of my other shuttle's died so i figured having just normal vmware on a server that is redundant would be a better idea08:36
Maceri just hope i can move the esx stuff over without problems in vmware.. which i don't see why i would have problems but you never knwo08:37
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elliottslaughterIs this the right place to ask about a redirection problem in scratchbox?09:34
RST38hyour chances of getting a useful answer are low though.09:47
elliottslaughterI'm trying to run a program which exists outside of scratchbox inside.09:48
elliottslaughterBut it can't find the program.09:48
RST38hit will not09:49
RST38hscratchbox1 is completely insulated from the outside filesystem09:49
RST38hUse scratchbox2 instead.09:50
elliottslaughterAbout how much work would it be to get the Maemo SDK working on scratchbox 2?09:52
RST38hnone, it already works09:52
RST38hgimme a moment09:52
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RST38hheya pupnik09:53
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elliottslaughterDoes this include scratchbox or should I install that first and then the SDK?09:54
jaemRST38h: it's you that's working on Almost-TI, right?09:55
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infobotit has been said that deblet is
timelE61iAlex: note the command char...10:06
alex_mayorganote taken10:07
alex_mayorgaI've just recently got my n800, is there a good podcatcher?10:08
GeneralAntillesor GPodder if you want lightweight10:10
RST38helliott: it includes sb210:16
RST38hjaem: Yes, what?10:16
alex_mayorgaGeneralAntilles, any that can schedule the downloads?10:17
jaemjust a thought...  would it be feasible to allow 180 deg rotation of the calc on-screen?  I generally hold my N810 with my hand through the kickstand when using the stylus only, which is convenient for Almost-TI, but left-handed people might have an issue with that10:17
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RST38hjaem: not easily possible10:19
jaemthat's what I figured - I just thought I would check10:19
* neatojones has built 41 debs tonight and is still going strong...10:19
RST38hjaem: the display driver is optimized to draw TI display at the current angle10:19
jaemI guess screen roatation takes care of that, in any case10:19
jaemthat makes sense10:19
RST38hI can, of course, rotate the whole thing post factum, but it will waste cpu10:19
jaemI do love the program, though10:19
jaemis there a deb of a version newer than the 83/5/6 available?10:20
jaemor is that not done yet?10:20
RST38hextras repo has the latest deb10:20
RST38hStill need to do the source code release10:21
alex_mayorgaany tips for smoother flash playback?10:22
jaemalex: if you want to play Flash Video, such as Youtube, use a stand-alone player, such as Canola + Youtube plugin10:23
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jaemAFAIK, Vimeo HD is a lost cause, with the N8x010:23
alex_mayorgaso there's no much hope inside the browser then?10:26
jaemmicroB is a bit slow on flash-heavy websites10:26
jaemalso with really intensive AJAX/JS (try to see what I mean)10:26
jaembut it can do most common websites fine10:26
alex_mayorgaany other options?10:26
jaemyou might want to check out Tear, which is in development10:26
jaemcheck the forums10:26
jaemit's not fully usable yet, but it might work better for some websites10:27
jaemwhat are you trying to view?10:27
alex_mayorgayoutube like site10:33
jaemokay - well, see if you can find a way of downloading the FLV files (I don't know if Greasemonkey works, but there's probably a way that would work on the tablet), and I think MPlayer (in the Extras repo) can play the files10:34
jaemthat's probably your best bet, if it doesn't play well in the browser10:34
jaemI'd help you more, but I'm watching a movie10:35
jaemsearch the forums - there's likely several threads on the topic, and some may be helpful10:35
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alex_mayorganot in a nit I assume =)10:36
jaem_afkwell, I did last night10:36
jaem_afkbut then the fire alarm in my dorm rang, because someone burned their food at 2am, and we all had to evacuate10:36
alex_mayorgathanks on the pointers10:36
jaem_afkyou're welcome ;)  If you find a good solution that hasn't been found before, please post it to the forums, so that we may all share in the knowledge ;)10:37
jaem_afkwait... hmm... I'm not technically afk, more like away-from-primary monitor10:37
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hahlo_n800-43-7hi, partly broke my system with apt-get install osso-software-version-unlocked choosed wrong number :P11:54
timelessmishandling a loaded gun...11:55
Stskeeps.. one of those statements if you are referring to either 1) o-s-v or 2) your new hobby reenacting dick cheney shooting people scenes11:56
Stskeeps+making me wonder11:56
hahlo_n800-43-7some packages left uninstalled, should i reflash?11:56
timelesssts: believe me, i thought about it when i said it :)11:57
hahlo_n800-43-7apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a went through so partly apt still works11:58
Stskeepshahlo_n800-43-7: re-install osso-software-version mayby11:59
hahlo_n800-43-7tried to install rx-4811:59
Stskeepson a rx-34? :P12:00
hahlo_n800-43-7what version is correct?12:00
timeless very much not that one :)12:00
hahlo_n800-43-7it was in repository12:01
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Stskeepsyeah, but that package is for N810 wimax :P12:02
timelessi'm pretty sure you have to break the safety seal to see it..12:02
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, how's Mertop these days?12:04
hahlo_n800-43-7but usually debians doesn't have diffrent hardware software in their repositories12:04
qwerty12But this isn't debian/12:04
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i got my normal laptop back, and my fiancée home again so, the mertop is sitting nicely, turned off :P12:04
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GeneralAntillesDell Mini 9 + Mer == fun??? ;)12:05
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: hehe, yeah, possibly, should be trivial to try out12:05
Stskeeps(grab a ubuntu live cd/usb stick)12:05
Stskeeps249$ hm, that's cheap12:06
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GeneralAntillesMore like $20012:08
Stskeepseven more terrifying :P12:09
Stskeepsthen again, battery life? :P12:09
GeneralAntillesUp, looks like it went back up.12:09
GeneralAntillesIt's not something I'm going to be mobile with much.12:09
GeneralAntillesMostly just a way to get a cheap x86 machine.12:10
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GeneralAntillesGet a Rev C Beagle and swap the guts out.12:11
GeneralAntillesI wonder how long it'll run on a ~2 watt mobo.12:12
timelesshey, who's been checking into mer as root?12:12
Stskeepspotentially me :P12:13
Stskeepsi just forgot to set the bzr name12:14
Stskeeps(i have a chroot i work out of)12:14
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Stskeepsdid you have any luck with RNDIS, btw?12:22
Stskeepsif you want a XP tester i can probably do that tomorrow12:22
qwerty12Thanks. I haven't tried again since :/12:22
Stskeepsbtw, think my wifi power saving stuff can be written as a powerlaunch script? (it's basically receive DeviceActivated dbus from NM then iwconfig power, and then depending on system activity, two different iwconfig commands12:25
Stskeepsnot sure how much you've looked ati t12:25
qwerty12In all honesty, I wouldn't know :/. Powerlaunch's docs on dbus are a little lacking...12:25
timelesssts: should my network manager be 'kept back' by apt?12:28
Stskeepsare we speaking of NM?12:28
timelessjust asking12:28
Stskeepswell, kept back normally means the new package's dependancies can't be satisfied or something12:29
Stskeepsand i hope ubuntu didn't mess up something :P12:29
* timeless wonders if alarmd ever got fixed12:30
timelesswtf does hildon-theme-cacher get run from post* ?12:30
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AStormStskeeps, ubuntu not messing up? impossible!12:30
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StskeepsAStorm: i think there is some law stating a linux distribution will at any given moment destroy your system or preserve it12:31
timelessThe following packages have been kept back:12:31
AStormactually, that's always true12:31
AStormthis "law" is a tautology12:31
timeless  dmse esound-clients network-manager-gnome osso-wlan tracker xkb-data12:31
StskeepsAStorm: hehe, yeah :P12:32
Stskeepstimeless: true, on a frankenmer it will possibly cause issues :P12:32
timelessnmg wants libnm-glib0 (>= 0.7.1~ v. 0.7-0ubuntu1)12:32
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suihkulokkitimeless: apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ?12:33
timelessi typically only do upgrade12:33
Stskeepstimeless: i'm still surprised a mer+maemo combination doesn't fall apart more often12:34
aquatixsomething is going right :)12:34
AStormbtw guys, why don't we improve wicd?12:34
suihkulokkitimeless: with only "upgrade", no new packages are installed or installed packages removed12:34
Stskeepsah, i actually didn't know that12:35
suihkulokkiit's even on the manpage (I just checked it ;)12:35
timelessok, w/ dist-upgrade, i'm now only pinned to dsme, nmg and tracker12:36
timelessupgrading tracker will remove libgmime-2.0-2a and give me libgmime-2.0-2 instead12:36
Stskeepsyeah, get rid of tracker12:37
Stskeepsit breaks currently afaik12:37
timelessjust uninstall it?12:37
Stskeepsi had to remove it from the images atm12:37
timelessok, so just dsme and nmg12:38
timelesscan i get someone to sacrifice 10-60mins of sanity? :)12:38
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timelesstrying gizmo ;-)12:39
Stskeepsi'm personally looking forward to the moment i can click .install/.deb for Gizmo & Skype in Mer/n8x012:40
Stskeepsas they are available from their own homepages12:40
AStormdepends on what?12:40
AStormuh, no, thank you12:40
AStormbehind NAT myself12:40
timelessthey're in a repo12:40
timelessi grabbed the files using apt...12:40
hahlo_n800-43-7can gizmo iconify in upper panel like xchat or pidgin?12:40
* timeless doesn't think so12:41
GeneralAntilleshahlo_n800-43-7, no, but rtcomm does.12:41
hahlo_n800-43-7yes i haven't find settings to do that12:41
hahlo_n800-43-7gizmo and fring would be nice otherwise12:42
GeneralAntillesEvil, evil Fring.12:42
GeneralAntillesThose developers should be drawn and quartered.12:42
GeneralAntillesSDK repo in a .install.12:43
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timelessthe url you gave me tried to send me WinGizmoInstall.exe12:44
AStormI concur.12:44
timelessi'd rather draw and quarter them for that12:44
GeneralAntillestimeless, on Mer in Midori?12:44
timelessChrome - wXP12:44
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, it happened to me in firefox too12:44
Stskeepsjust cancel it12:44
timelesssts: so, can you try my zip and tell me how gizmo feels?12:45
GeneralAntillesYeah, the autodetection/autodownload is obnoxious.12:45
GeneralAntillesBut most users probably appreciate it.12:45
Stskeepstimeless: i actually don't run gizmo :('12:45
Stskeepsskype i do12:45
GeneralAntillesWho would run Gizmo?12:45
GeneralAntillesrtcomm all the way. ;)12:45
timelesssts: i've translated skype too :)12:45
timelesstesting wanted12:46
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ui is still closed for contacts etc i guess12:46
timelesskeep in mind, that in general, you can't go back to Nokia translations ;-)12:46
Stskeepstimeless: i have a n800 at work i can use for experiments12:46
timelessalright... lemme know :)12:47
timelessi actually at some point need to make a change list12:47
timelessto explain to the internals why their strings are so bad12:47
GeneralAntillesJust hand 'em that.12:48
* timeless tried that12:48
timelessit didn't work12:48
GeneralAntillesAlternatively burn it into a 2x4 and beat them about the head and shoulders with it.12:49
timelessso... i still need a solution to the 'uninstall' requirement12:49
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timelesswould you object to my packages refusing to uninstall?12:49
GeneralAntillesdpkg-divert is too evil?12:49
timelessi could make the initial meta package installer include an annoying "license" "this package can not be uninstalled"12:50
Stskeepstimeless: radical solution: your own locale name12:50
timelessdpkg-divert is a royal pain and m-vo doesn't think it's appropriate12:50
Stskeepswill install alongside12:50
qwerty12timeless, but it works though...12:50
timelesssts: it'd break all apps i don't localize12:50
Stskeepsthat's true12:50
timelessthat's not ok.12:50
timeless(English: that isn't acceptable)12:51
Stskeepsit's really down to dpkg-divert or to mv'ing thing to .OLD and moving them back on rm12:54
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Stskeepsto make it a sane solution12:54
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timelessif someone writes code that can automatically do this for each package12:54
timelessw/o requiring any maintenance, that's fine12:54
timelessi'll include it12:54
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timelessbut it as to work for an arbitrary locale and an arbitrary package12:55
timeless(i.e. ~4 common lines which magically work no matter into which localization package i dump it)12:55
rmtAre there any apps to download/cache web pages?  ie. sync in the morning before going out then spend the day reading news & articles.12:55
timeless(2 lines, one for preinst and one for postinst would be better)12:56
Stskeepstimeless: your own debhelper extension maybe..12:56
timelesssts: i have a package all of my locale packages define12:56
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timelessso it's not a problem to stick a shell script into that12:56
timelessi'd rather it be figured out at install time instead of at build time12:57
GeneralAntillesPackaging, for all the benefits it's supposed to bring, is far too often just a pain in the ass.12:58
* rmt discovered a reasonably priced source of the N810 in Italy.. €250 with shipping.. I think this particular website must go out of its way to not be found by google.12:58
Stskeepsyou up for hacking? i mean, we have Mer x86..12:58
Stskeepsit should be fairly trivial to do12:58
GeneralAntillesWhat's the point?12:59
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: geekiness12:59
GeneralAntillesFairly trivial and fairly pointless. :P12:59
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i could see a benefit if it enacted some kind of symbiosis personally, but yeah12:59
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: trivial for you perhaps :)13:00
StskeepsPC as a docking station for tablet13:00
GeneralAntillesIs it just me, or do maemo-qt applications all seem to have overly large taskbar icons?13:00
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: Making_x86_mer_bootable + image file exported over usb storage maybe13:00
* Stskeeps starts generating 0.9 test images13:01
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timelessqwerty/sts: so, either of you willing to write this helper script? :)13:02
GeneralAntillestimeless, they're all scum whose ultimate goal is to screw everybody else over. ;)13:03
timelessspeaking of which, are you running for office?13:04
Stskeepstimeless: and the effect would basically be moving away the old .mo replace it with our installed, for any package it's in13:04
GeneralAntillesI usually drive.13:04
* Stskeeps isn't, crap at community stuf13:04
timelesssts: yep13:04
timelesspreferably not including the same localization package ;-)13:04
GeneralAntillesMy own personal goal is to screw qwerty12_N800 over. :P13:05
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800 for council chair13:05
timelessthat'd do it ;-)13:05
qwerty12_N800Aww, see how much GeneralAntilles likes me? :p13:05
qwerty12_N800Why am I reminded of $100 & infobot...13:06
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* Stskeeps tries to understand if there is at all any sense in the powerlaunch language13:08
GeneralAntillesAwful lot of work for something exactly 3 people can manage to use. ;013:09
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infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Awful lot of work for something exactly 3 people can manage to use. ;)13:09
Stskeepsit's basically a state machine language as far as i can see :P13:10
timelessso, in my mer, there are 7 packages doing divergences, dash, vim, dictionaries, screen, theme-fixes?, lcars-sounds (19!) and lcars-complete13:10
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Stskeepssounds normal13:11
Stskeepsdpkg-divert is good until it comes to deal with docpurge13:11
timelesswhat happens?13:11
Stskeepsdpkg-divert fails when diverting docs, as they don't exist cos docpurge removed them :P13:12
Stskeepsand breaks package installation13:12
timelessisn't that a missing set -e or exit 0 or something?13:12
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Stskeepsmore like dpkg-divert treats a missing file to divert as an error, which makes sense13:13
qwerty12_N800but it returns non-zero which is what i think timeless is saying13:13
bensonGeneralAntilles: Austin, me, and... you?13:15
benson(Can use powerlaunch language, that is)13:16
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GeneralAntillesbenson, definitely not me. ;)13:17
* GeneralAntilles isn't sure what's more irritating automated linux-omap membership spam or human-generated membership spam.13:18
suihkulokkihappy mailman day to you too13:19
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timelesssuihk: to you too13:22
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lbt_GeneralAntilles:  hmm... I wonder if Maemo-Upgrade-Description shouldn't be in control, it should be in changelog...13:49
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.13:49
GeneralAntillesNot a fun patch to implement at this point. ;)13:49
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lbt_meh - if you want people to use them then they need to be easy to use - I update changelog for each revision, not control... just thoughts...13:50
* Stskeeps 's with lbt on that one13:51
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GeneralAntillesThe problem with the changelog, though, is that it's often not end-user appropriate.14:00
Stskeepsit really ought to be though14:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: or maybe have a part of it which is Maemo-upgrade-description: headered14:01
GeneralAntillesI'd like to see decently formated package information in h-a-m14:02
GeneralAntillesIt's all rather nasty as it stands.14:02
GeneralAntilleshard-wrapped descriptions14:02
GeneralAntillesugly package names14:02
GeneralAntillesugly version strings14:02
lcukwhat do you think then, html+css formatted changelogs?14:03
GeneralAntillesWhat would be the point of CSS?14:03
GeneralAntillesHTML doesn't sound unreasonable.14:03
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lcukbecause your idea of style doesnt match mine :P14:03
GeneralAntilleslcuk, package managers aren't the place to go nuts with the individual creativity.14:04
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GeneralAntillesPackage managers are the place to be consistant.14:04
* GeneralAntilles would like to see a packaging style guide.14:04
lcukyes, normal debian styling is fine for apps.  the app-store errr h-a-m should take that formatting and do the best it can14:05
GeneralAntillesIs there a pretty package management solution on desktop Linux or do they just put up with shitty looking hard-wrapped descriptions and nasty package names?14:05
lcukit should also where possible use the html descriptions from downloads/maemo14:05
GeneralAntillesThat's just more work for maintainers14:06
lcukie if there is a matching pretty version14:06
lcuknot really, they do that already14:06
GeneralAntillesI'd rather see Downloads and h-a-m using pretty descriptions from the package.14:06
AStormGeneralAntilles, there is, synaptics I guess14:06
AStormother than that, who sane uses graphical tools for package management anyway?14:06
GeneralAntillesDoesn't look particularly pretty.14:07
GeneralAntillesAStorm, users. ;)14:07
GeneralAntilleslowercase-only hyphenated package names.14:07
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AStormwell, can't do better, descriptions are fairly bad too14:07
AStormnon-descriptive that is14:08
GeneralAntillesUsers don't like ugly things, no matter how functional they are.14:08
GeneralAntillesThere must be somebody out there considering style.14:08
GeneralAntillesAlso Synaptic, no?14:09
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GeneralAntillesWhat's a good solution here?14:10
GeneralAntillesAdding more Maemo-specific fields to the control file14:11
GeneralAntillesor fetching something from the web?14:11
Stskeepsmetaindex on repository i'd say14:11
GeneralAntillesCompiled and edited how?14:12
GeneralAntillesThrough Downloads?14:12
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suihkulokkire: descriptiosn, how is do ?
igagis1I have problem: my application is closed after a few seconds after it is started14:15
igagis1looks like there's something wrong with dbus service name or something14:15
GeneralAntillesAnyway, moving forward, I don't want to end up having to be compared unfavorable to Apple and Google's pretty application listings complete with tidy little screenshots and ratings. ;)14:15
qwerty12_N800igagis1: it's been osso_initalized correctly?14:15
igagis1but I checked, everything looks right, don't know where's the problem... ^-(14:15
igagis1yes, it looks correct14:16
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igagis1just a minute, I'll try posting my .service and  .desktop files14:17
igagis1here they are:
igagis1the first time app launches and closes after few seconds and all cubsequent times the app doesn't launch at all14:21
qwerty12_N800I thought it should always be false? but it's been a while since I looked at libosso docs. But "theremin" in your osso_initalize assumes afaik. it should be your full dbus service name14:22
lbt_sorry, GeneralAntilles Stskeeps .. got caught in a problem...14:22
igagis1ok, I'll try that, thanks for the idea14:22
lbt_I actually meant to include Maemo-Upgrade-Description in the changelog14:22
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lbteither on a per line basis14:23
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lbtor on a 'include after this' basis14:23
lbtand since it's new... just User-Upgrade-Description is fine:14:24
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GeneralAntilleslbt, maybe hit -developers14:24
GeneralAntillesm-vo may have some input14:24
lbtMost of that is *not* for end users14:27
lbtas for HTML - I say *NO*   :)14:27
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GeneralAntillesNot for the changelog14:28
GeneralAntillesBut for the description14:28
GeneralAntillesThe hardwrapping's gotta go, anyway.14:29
lbtchangelog is a good place to put a breif user comment maybe including a link. The use of * to mark a para start is well understood14:30
lbtIncluding a link would be easy14:30
lbtBut this may be shown in a variety of places and txt is the most portable14:31
igagis1qwerty12_N800: here are the docs for osso_initialize: , its description is not very clear about that only works with short app name. But anyway, I changed it to full dbus service name and now it works, Thanks for help!14:32
qwerty12_N800igagis: you should look at the 4.1 version, those are for OS2007 :) (I guess a lot hasn't changed in libosso but best to stay current :))14:33
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* igagis1 has just uploaded the relatively stable .deb release of theremin app:
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lcukigagis, :( wont install14:47
igagis1lcuk: :-(14:47
igagis1must be some issues  with dependancies?14:48
lcuki like instruments, have you played with boxar?14:48
lcukyeah im just seeing now14:48
igagis1yes I did14:48
lcukive been doing lots of nice graphical stuff and think a strumming guitar style can work (i keep strumming my kinetic calendar and thinking it needs music with it14:49
igagis1sound produced by boxar is somewhat metallic14:49
igagis1lcuk: let me know if you come up with some idea why it does not install on your tablet.14:50
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lcuklibcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++14:50
igagis1guitar does not look possible on N810 because there is no multitouch, don't know how to finger chords14:50
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igagis1yes, these are required libs14:51
lcukwhy finger chords, if it gets into place ill show you :)14:51
igagis1ok ;-)14:51
lcukyou can only strum with one plectrum at once :P14:52
igagis1so, you try to install the deb and it does not know where to get libcairomm etc.?14:52
lcukand you can just strum different locations for things14:52
lcukive got the usual suspects14:52
* lcuk puts down his wm stuff for a bit14:53
qwerty12_N800igagis1: app manager will only install dependencies if you are installing your program from a repository14:53
igagis1lcuk: a workaround would be to do 'apt-get install maemo-cplusplus-device-env'14:53
igagis1qwerty12_N800: yes, I understand that14:54
lcukqwerty12_N800, what about if i apt-get it from the .deb, same effect?14:54
* lcuk personally doesnt want all this c++ stuff poluting his machine anyway :P14:55
GeneralAntilleslcuk, lol?14:55
qwerty12_N800lcuk: hmm? you can't apt-get install a deb. a dodgy workaround is dpkg -i deb ; apt-get -f install14:56
lcuk:D just what i need, a dodgy path14:56
lcuki keep telling you qwerty, i am a n00b with linux stuff, its all handwaving, im still used to msi packages and stuff14:56
qwerty12_N800msi's suck :p14:57
lcuk:O 25mb to install maemo-cplusplus-device-env14:58
lcukive got no hope of that, i couldnt copy a 15mb image yesterday14:58
qwerty12_N800better off installing the individual libs it needs via the "method"14:59
bensonGuitar could use N810 or bluetooth keyboard for frets, touchscreen for strumming.14:59
bensonOr hook up a GH controller for one-string frets...14:59
igagis125mb, that's a lot, I did not think about it actually :-) just installed it. I think the .so libs itself libcairomm libglibmm libgtkmm libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++ would weigh much less, supose there are lots of other stuff in maemo-cplusplus-device-env14:59
lcukor it could possibly use some variation on the multitouch15:00
AStormbenson, no, it's the feedback that matters15:00
AStormnothing that doesn't have actual strings will do15:00
lcukastorm, its a wonderful feeling with full kinetic and rapid updates15:00
AStormlcuk, gimme!15:01
* lcuk had a tune in his head and everything15:01
lcukas you know ive got a few things to sort out, ive abandoned one thing because i dont think i need it any more15:01
derfAStorm: I've seen force-feedback devices that can do a pretty good imitation of picking an actual string, without an actual string.15:02
AStormderf, but how do you hit a nonexistent object? ;P15:03
derfIt's force-feedback.15:03
AStormtoo late, I missed the string/fret15:03
derfThe entire _point_ of the device is hitting non-existent objects.15:03
AStormand the trick is that you can do much more with an actual string15:04
lcukastorm, also if all you are doing is moving columns using strumming motion and getting a feedback sound in line with what you are doing its all good15:04
lcukdoes the 810 keyboard do chording?15:04
derfThe buttons on the N810 keyboard are as hard or harder to press than the N800's dpad.15:05
AStormalthoguh I did beat OpenTyrian with it15:06
AStormmy left thumb got sore though15:07
AStormdpad could use a better design15:08
lcukit appears as though it does, but x11 sends multiple down/up combos15:08
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Stskeepsmorning kozak15:23
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igagis1lcuk: I come up with 3Mb solution to C++ libs instead of 25 mb15:24
igagis1apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a15:25
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KayDeeEeJonwhat's the status of qt integration in maemo (i heard that since nokia bought qt, there were plans to make maemo more qt-based) ?15:29
kozakEvening Stskeeps!15:31
lbtKayDeeEeJon: Qt4.4 is available as a runtime - 4.5 is in rc15:32
lbthowever most of the heathens around here don't appreciate a good framework ;)15:33
* Stskeeps would still like to see if qt-maemo runs sanely on mer.15:34
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StskeepsKayDeeEeJon: think official support comes in Harmattan (not next version but next again)15:37
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KayDeeEeJonok thx15:37
lbtStskeeps: what do you need to try that?15:37
KayDeeEeJonis any successor to the N810 on the way?15:37
Stskeepslbt: i think compiling it on the vmdk should do the trick really15:38
Stskeeps(i just havent done it but would love someone experiment)15:38
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lcukigagis, fair enough, trying now :)15:41
lcukigagis, impressive! the columns are about the same size as the ones i was kineticing15:44
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: btw, apt works fine on x8615:45
timelesshrm, do i need /usr/bin/dbus-daemon ?15:48
igagis1lcuk: you can press the Esc button and there will be options (also accessible from app menu) and there you can set the mode of 1, 2 or 3 octaves on the screen15:49
timelessnice,  maemolauncher died (itdidn't like gtkhtml)15:49
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, fairly, most OSSO communication dies without :P15:49
timelessso, why would i be missing it? :)15:49
igagis1lcuk: also you can change tuning by arrow keys15:50
Stskeepstimeless: hmm.15:50
lcukigagis, quick, simple, effective :) i like it, only thing, esc takes people back - have enter? or dpad centre? bringing up options dialog?15:50
timelessi only have dbus-{launch,monitor,send}15:51
Stskeepstimeless: ah, i think it's in /bin/dbus-daemon for some disturbed reason15:51
Stskeepsnot entirely sure why15:51
igagis1lcuk: well It is possible to make enter bring options instead of esc, but there is nowhere to get back from the app, but never the less, I can do enter key to open options also15:52
timelessi have something which on startup is looking fof /usr/bin/....15:52
timelessi do have /bin/...15:52
lcukigagis, im getting used to a single key to go back and escape has naturally always been "get me out of here".  i am confused when people use it to go forwards15:53
igagis1ok, I might close the app by pressing the esc key, is that the behavior you expect by esc key?15:53
timeless/etc/osso/af-init/ looks for /usr/bin/dbus-daemon15:53
lbtStskeeps:  Mer is on my list15:54
timelessi have osso-af-startup 1.74-115:54
lcukigagis, yes, but dont have your closing yet (unless you want).   have a look at liqbase to see why i say what i do :)15:54
timelesssts: this seems to be the problem...15:54
igagis1lcuk: ok, I'll have a look15:54
geoaxisguys, offtopic, a wobbling screen on my nokia n81015:55
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Stskeepsgeoaxis: do you have 48mhz kernel installed or rotation?15:56
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, the /bin thing is an error i think15:56
geoaxisStskeeps: i just bought mine 2 weeks ago, its vanilla15:57
Stskeepsgeoaxis: newest diablo update?15:57
geoaxisthe screen is portion is physically damaged ..its loose15:57
lcukgeoaxis, wtf? can i have a few seconds of my life back.  its a drawer mechanism, there is a small amount of give in every similar mechanism?15:57
geoaxislcuk :)15:57
geoaxisso its like that15:57
timelesswhat lcuk said15:57
* lcuk posts videos about his kitchen drawers wobbling15:57
* geoaxis is laughing at himself15:58
geoaxiswell i got very touchy about my new toy ...15:58
lcuk:D can we say "fixed in n800"15:58
geoaxisthought i had broken it like my other toys15:59
timelessno, sadly most people call it a regression15:59
timeless'my n800 didn't wobble'15:59
timelessreally? did it extend? well no, now that you mention it, it didn't15:59
lcukif anything is wrong with the build on the 810 its the battery cover and assoc. unit.  its flimsy doesnt fit like most other phone backs and the battery falls out16:00
timelesshey, is it a phone? :)16:00
timeless(but yeah, it's true, the back's a bit odd)16:00
lcukno, but you would expect some communication between the other departments :P16:01
timelessi work here!16:01
lcuki know!16:01
lcukfixed in fremantle?16:01
* timeless actually took a video of the device opening a few months ago16:01
timelesslet's pretend "opening" could mean "booting" or "extending" or something totally unrelated16:02
timeless(like showing 'opning' when applications start...)16:02
lcuk? transformersesq hardware morphing to open apps?16:02
Stskeepslcuk: which lends to the thought that RX-51, will, indeed, take over the world16:03
Stskeepsbut not as we originally thought.16:03
lcukopening a browser flips down additional screens and an outer dpad (much to roopes chargrin)16:03
* timeless shrugs16:03
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lcukopening the camera app unveils a full flash unit and old fashioned hood16:04
lcukigagis, is this using gtkmm for the sound?16:04
timelesssts: do you have /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs?16:05
igagis1lcuk: no it uses ALSA16:05
* igagis1 looking at liqbase16:06
Stskeepstimeless: nop, we have scrapped osso-af-init :P16:06
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timelesswhy do people file bugs about about:config?16:15
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lcukcos htey want to use it16:16
Stskeepstimeless: yeah, but some of it may be good16:16
lcukand it takes about a fortnight to come up :P16:16
timelesssts: what replaces it?16:17
Stskeepstimeless: well, it's a work in progress, but the inexistence of it is from that we want to see hildon as a typical session (just like GNOME, KDE, FVWM, etc), not the entire OS16:18
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Stskeepsosso-af-init is .. a mess, to say th eleast :P16:19
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Stskeepsmorning VDVsx16:25
VDVsxhello Stskeeps :)16:25
* Stskeeps tries to strip down mer in memory a little bit16:26
Stskeepsnoticed auto-startx keeps a bash active, heh16:26
Stskeeps1.0% memory. lovely.16:26
jaskait doesnt exec the last part?16:27
Stskeepsbasically the su - line was written in a weird way16:28
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StskeepsVDVsx: i wonder if it would be possible to make a wide range of hildon-desktop replacements, and maybe still keep the applet API and such16:39
VDVsxStskeeps, like redesign the hildon desktop or change the hildon desktop for something else , keeping some elements ?16:42
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StskeepsVDVsx: well, QTablet as an example - hildon-desktop is already quite flexible if you look closely enough, but if there was a skeleton to build on top of that still exported the same API elements it would be trivial to create different hildon desktops :P16:43
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VDVsxStskeeps, yup, like QTablet (a framework), I think is possible, but sould be a lot of works16:45
VDVsxbut is a very good idea :)16:45
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VDVsxif you use hildon as a base, perhaps will reduce the a lot the work needed16:47
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VDVsxStskeeps, perhaps the ubuntu MID interface can help here, it claims to be very customizable, and use hildon16:51
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StskeepsVDVsx: we are slowly including the h-d patches from ubuntu though16:56
guysoft42hey all, i am going to try ask again : does anyone here sync GPE without ssh?16:56
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Stskeepswb qwerty1217:53
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user_all hi18:05
user_all hi18:06
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woodong50i am using GPE calender ppl18:07
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woodong50but memo to legister on GPE dont come me to email18:09
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woodong50To legister it on google webpqge come me well to email18:12
woodong50i dont know well18:13
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woodong50what is name of n800 battery18:14
Stskeepsbp-5l or something, or -4l18:15
Stskeepscannot remember18:15
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woodong50thank you18:15
JuhazBP-5L, yes.18:15
slonopotamusStskeeps, hi. i'm trying to get wifi work but get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported. any ideas?18:15
Stskeepsslonopotamus: which cx3110x do you employ?18:16
Stskeepsslonopotamus: btw i have a xomap that works with modern headers18:17
slonopotamusStskeeps, during wpa_supplicant connection. using cx3110x 2.0.15 driver.18:17
Stskeepsok, so straight from source 2.0.1518:17
Stskeepsyou need two patches18:17
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slonopotamusStskeeps, what's 'modern headers'? you're updating kernel?18:18
Stskeepsslonopotamus: no, modern X11 headers18:18
slonopotamusStskeeps, then what's 'modern'?18:18
slonopotamusStskeeps, i'm on 1.318:19
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: whatever isn't back in the 2005s ;)18:19
slonopotamusStskeeps, i didn't see any patches on r.t.o18:20
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yeah, trying to find it, sec18:21
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slonopotamusand wpa_supplicant sais it associated and immediately got 'dissasciate trap'18:23
slonopotamusStskeeps, you started using own umac.ko?18:27
slonopotamusdiscard my previous message18:28
Stskeepsslonopotamus:;a=tree;f=packages/mamona/cx3110x-diablo-2.0.15;h=72b1e0ceedf1be63b6af7f5a948d3657746a0010;hb=HEAD , these patches plus (not a patch)18:29
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Stskeepsthat's the equivalent of mer cx3110x18:30
slonopotamusStskeeps, do you have source package?18:31
Stskeepsi think the one on cx3110x-module on r.m.t.o should be accurate18:32
Stskeepscheck if the latest patch is in it18:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, cx3110x-module-src?18:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, i built from it18:33
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Stskeepsfair enough, not accurate then18:34
slonopotamusit doesn't have your patch-that-is-not-a-patch18:35
slonopotamusStskeeps, you're building unrebuildable distro :)18:35
Stskeepsthose specific packages are touchy, as i said :P18:36
VDVsxStskeeps, is already any tarball made for mer 0.9 ?18:36
lcukigagis, did you have a look18:36
slonopotamusoh. you get 0.9 this weekend?18:36
StskeepsVDVsx: yeah, want one?18:37
Stskeepsslonopotamus: tomorrow, but generating one today18:37
VDVsxyup, I'm doing a fresh install, just point me the link :)18:37
VDVsxStskeeps, if it is in the same usual place, don't need the link :)18:38
StskeepsVDVsx: nah, it's not yet18:39
Stskeepsthat is definately the patch :P18:41
slonopotamusStskeeps, could you generate it with diff -u -r, please?18:42
Stskeepsit is a diff -u -r patch18:42
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Stskeepsb-man: can you push a 0.9 update to the bzr btw?18:45
b-manshure :)18:45
lcukVDVsx, what do you think the chances of mixing up bluemaemo with an alternative backend.  i currently use a really simple wifi socket based remote between my 810 and my windows desktop18:45
lcuki wrote it last year before starting liqbase and its worked perfectly ever since18:45
slonopotamusStskeeps, applied cleanly :) strange18:46
lcukive seen a few ppl asking for something similar18:46
Stskeepsslonopotamus: you did hear about my umac experiments?18:46
b-manStskeeps: as soon as i get done with updating sys-env-base and sys-env-x in the ubuntu-n8x0 repo ;)18:46
qwerty12Stskeeps, think it's worth making the mmap.patch a quilt managed one?18:46
slonopotamusStskeeps, nope18:46
b-manhad a fuew dependence issues)18:47
Stskeepsslonopotamus: basically i figured out that it is possible to push umac.ko to higher versions of kernel and i got cx3110x 1.2 (for 770) building for 2.6.28, heh18:47
VDVsxlcuk, you will need a backend different backend for each OS, but can be done18:47
Stskeepsb-man: alright, but ideally within 12 hours :P18:47
b-manok :)18:47
b-manit won't take that long :)18:48
VDVsxlcuk, windows programming is a mystery for me :)18:48
slonopotamusStskeeps, well, i'm not interested in 770 at least because i don't have it :)18:48
lcukVDVsx, from the bluemaemo perpective, it could just have alternatives BT/wifi - most socket ops are standard18:48
Stskeepsslonopotamus: 770 would be a good target for gentoo, not from compiling POV, but for super optimized target :P18:48
lcuklol i cant do windows c, i hate the api.  vb is ismple enough18:49
lcukremote control via smtp!18:49
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VDVsxlcuk, but you will need code to eject the events (mouse, keyboard, etc...)18:49
VDVsxbluemaemo use a standart right now, no need for extra code :)18:50
lcukyeah - technically its a VNC server you want to talk to18:50
lcukjust ignore recv of the screen18:50
t_s_otesting bluemaemo as keyboard for my pc right now18:50
lcukmmm, that would probably work18:51
qwerty12Jaffa, did you ever get anywhere with ArcEm btw? (I'm feeling slightly nostalgic :))18:51
slonopotamusStskeeps, i have what i have :) and, for example, gentoo-on-n8x0 won't be able to use n810 kb until someone with n810 will join. simply because i can't test whether it works18:51
lcuksince vnc is ported to lots of systems and uses standard things18:51
t_s_oit seems a bit confused about symbols...18:51
VDVsxt_s_o, only US-EN at this time18:51
* slonopotamus gone cooking dinner :)18:51
t_s_oguess its a effect of mismatched layouts18:52
lcukVDVsx, im just pondering outloud, ive heard lots of nice things about BM (though i dont use bluetooth for anything)18:52
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yeah, i had same issue18:52
t_s_oah, bingo18:52
t_s_oit was almost silly easy to set up ones i upgraded to bluez4 at the pc end ;)18:52
slonopotamusanybody have time/will to hack  gentoo on n810? :)18:52
b0unc3Hi, i'm trying to develop a status bar plugin following the documention on
t_s_obut that keyboard takes a bit getting used to, i find the keys a bit small...18:53
b0unc3..but the documentation says to run "pkg-config osso-af-settings --variable=hildondesktoplibdir" to automatically obtain the right place where to put the lib..18:53
b0unc3and the location should be something like /usr/share/application/hildon-status-bar but the following command return the right place where to put the .desktop file for a desktop plugin and not where to put the lib of a statusbar plugin18:53
VDVsxt_s_o, the VKB ?18:54
b0unc3how can I obtain the right place ?18:54
VDVsxt_s_o, the hildon VKB have smaller keys :)18:54
t_s_othe full screen one?18:55
VDVsxno :)18:56
VDVsxI don't ever use the full screen VKB, I don't know why18:56
t_s_oi use the full screen one as much as possible. i guess thats why the webkit related issues are so noticeable to me ;)18:59
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t_s_oi didnt bother trying to use a stylus with the bluemaemo keyboard btw, so that could be why i found it small...18:59
pupnik17:34 < GreyGhost> is there an official symbian port?19:01
pupnik17:35 <@Harekiet> we only support girls riding the symbian19:01
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Stskeepsmaybe a lirc plugin19:02
VDVsxt_s_o, If you have a n810 you can also use the HW keyboard ;)19:03
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t_s_ono so "fortunate". N800 here19:05
lcukpupnik, theres no 'n' in it lol.  and i think they have a dual core version now lol19:06
t_s_o hmm, email vs mms, the saga continues...19:11
t_s_oboredom and slashdot comments are a bad combo...19:11
lcukdepends if you are the poster or not19:11
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Stskeepsheh, the "Where is Nokia.." thread, 22k views, but not a single thanks to thread starter (frank.wagner) :>19:20
qwerty12Maybe someone will thank him when he writes a post that you can actually understand19:20
b-manStskeeps: updated merinstaller for 0.9 :)19:21
Stskeepsb-man: ta19:21
Stskeepsqwerty12: i think it's actually just stenography sending out confidential nokia information19:21
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mbroadsthi, is the best resource to use for getting qt apps running on my n810?19:22
* Stskeeps believes so19:22
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mbroadstjust figured when nokia bought tt qt might be integrated19:24
Stskeepsit'll come in harmattan officially :P19:24
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mbroadstis that r5?19:25
pupniki think Stskeeps gets my #1 hero award atm19:25
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Stskeepsmbroadst: it's not next release but next again19:25
mbroadstcool, well thanks a lot Stskeeps19:25
Stskeepsbut the qt part itself is maturing rapidly it seems19:26
AStormso g will be skipped like e was? ;P19:26
* konttori__ has been working this weekend with fremantle theme support. Also made the debian source package creation to be part of theme maker. 19:26
VDVsxmbroadst, next release is fremantle (maemo 5) after that harmattan :)19:26
Stskeepskonttori__: woo, :)19:26
* konttori__ hasn't yet tested the new source package upload to the servers, but that's up next. 19:27
konttori__probably still stuff missing.19:27
* konttori__ will test with diablo theme packages, so nothing to see on those tests. 19:27
* Stskeeps ponders if theme maker would run on top of openjdk on top of mer on tablets19:28
bensonStskeeps: Stenography or steganography?19:28
konttori__Stskeeps: well, it's really quite easy to just re-write theme maker on python and just use that19:28
bensonIt looks like shorthand, but any actual Nokia info is obviously concealed, so maybe both.19:28
Stskeepsbenson: heheh :>19:29
konttori__or, just instead to use the nokias own theme tools that are available as well.19:29
Stskeepskonttori__: probably :)19:29
Stskeepskonttori__: still cool if possible :>19:29
konttori__otoh, the pixmap used in the source image is so big that n810 probably would run out of heap size when handling it19:29
konttori__(rover theme is 10 000 pixels wide source image)19:29
konttori__eh. my test theme.19:30
Stskeepsyeah.. really looking forward to seeing the ui when time is19:30
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konttori__It will be revelaled in steps, I can tell you only that now.19:31
konttori__but, the first display is already really nice to see.  - and should come in the alpha sdk afaik.19:31
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Stskeepshehe, hildon-welcome with animated startup screen sounds fun already :P19:32
konttori__what was the web based interface to upload source packages to the servers?19:32
konttori__umm,,, what is that? (the welcome part)19:32
t_s_ohey qwerty12, guess what just got updated ;)19:32
konttori__and thanks for the extras assistant19:32
konttori__why does that require a changes file?19:32
Stskeepskonttori__: well there's code laying on stage for playing a media file at startup or something :P19:33
* konttori__ needs to add that not to the to-do as well. 19:33
qwerty12t_s_o, no idea, but you've got me curious now ;)19:33
t_s_oepdfview :)19:33
qwerty12lol, that actually works for you? I gave up when it segfaulted on my tablet when I pressed down19:33
Stskeepskonttori__: (.. probably because the nokia hands logo is exceedingily boring to watch for more then 5 seconds ;)19:33
konttori__Stskeeps: sounds good. so, now I can have entire season of frasier to show before my tablet starts?19:34
Stskeepssomething like that, yeah19:34
t_s_oqwerty12: it works, it just depends on the size of the pdf in question ;)19:34
Stskeepsor teletubbies episodes19:34
qwerty12t_s_o, the update does sound good. let me see if I can apply the hildonisations to it easily19:35
RST38h"We don't provide the "easy to program for" console that (developers) want, because "easy to program for" means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" -- Sony Computer Entertainment CEO19:35
konttori__Stskeeps: I would have something like this to start...
konttori__the HQ version is just stunning.19:35
pupnikthat is real or a joke, RST38h19:35
RST38hpupnik: Real, as always with Sony19:36
StskeepsRST38h: wtf :P19:36
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RST38hSts: Just shows how detached from reality Sony execs are19:37
StskeepsRST38h: they are actually lobsters uploaded into the internet.19:38
RST38hcan't exclude this possibility19:38
RST38hAfter all the "statements" they made like the statement that "PS3 will be expensive, very expensive, because it is such a good console"19:39
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bensonIt was true - PS3 is expensive, very expensive.19:40
bensonNobody knows if it's a good console, because they can't afford it. ;)19:41
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* RST38h can say the same about Wii: wherever he looked in the US, it is out of stock19:45
Stskeepswii is actually more tangible than ps3 for me.. i've seen them in action several times19:46
MacerRST38h: they are in stock now19:46
Stskeepsonly time i saw ps3 was on research on multicore :P19:46
Macerbenson: it has an option to install linux19:46
Macerwonder how that works19:47
Macerconsidering it uses a cell cpu19:47
MacerSonyLINUX ?19:47
qwerty12iirc, linux doesn't get full access to the hardware19:47
Macerwith a lgpl lic :)19:47
Macerqwerty12: such as?19:48
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qwerty12you can't use the hardware acceleration or something19:49
bensonJust runs PPC Linux, I think. As a slowish PPC.19:49
bensonBecause the Cell has PPC compatibility, or one of it's cores is a PPC, or something like that.19:50
* benson wonders if any of the consoles are worth buying as a PC these days.19:50
Jaffaqwerty12: Never solved RISC OS needing relative movements which doesn't fit well with a touchscreen, and since it was pre-N810, input was tricky19:51
qwerty12Jaffa, ah :/19:51
suihkulokkidudes, you just google "playstation 3 linux" instead of just guessing19:51
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bensonBack when the xbox (original) came out, I was semi-seriously considering one to run Linux -- it was cheaper than equivalent hardware, but it was also not very impressive hardware.19:52
qwerty12In my defence, I did google "linux ps3 restrictions" :)19:52
Stskeepsbenson: xbmc looks amazing though :P19:53
* qwerty12 old xbox has the sole purpose of running xbmc19:53
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RST38hMacer: Really? Crisis? =)20:01
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pupnik!seen lardman20:09
qwerty12~seen lardman20:10
infobotlardman <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 5h 33m 19s ago, saying: 'the one I have installed is supposed to work with the built-in browser, and it does, but has issues'.20:10
lcukpupnik, hes globetrotting20:10
lcukwill be back in a couple of days20:10
qwerty12t_s_o, untested:
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t_s_othe wonders of internet and wireless connections. downloaded to pc, bluetooth transfer and now installing20:15
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ssvbbenson: having played with it a bit, I don't think PS3 is a good replacement for desktop PC, you are probably better getting a quad core x86 system :)20:16
ssvbbenson: anyway, it is interesting to experiment with ppc64 linux20:17
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t_s_oqwerty12: seems to work ok, except that when using full screen it defaults to "zoom to fit" and the toolbar is hidden even tho its still checked in the menu...20:18
qwerty12odd, toolbar should work (the arguments passed to hildon_window_add_toolbar seem to be the same in this version) but I'll take a proper look at it sometime later20:20
t_s_oerr, it works in window mode, but goes hidden in full screen even tho its still seen as activated in the menu20:24
qwerty12Oh, that's not specific to the hildon version20:25
t_s_oah, i see. its the default behavior of the desktop version. hide menus and go zoom to fit when switching to full screen20:25
t_s_oi wonder if there is some way to speed up its page rendering, as its clearly slower then evince...20:26
t_s_ostill, just being able to have a toolbar in fullscreen mode is useful...20:30
qwerty12I may make it look up the setting but I really don't see the point in any more work when Evince clearly excels it in terms of performance20:31
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t_s_oheh, true. it could be simpler to get evince to show the toolbar in full screen mode20:34
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timelessdoes evince do find?20:34
timelessand fit content area to screen?20:34
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timelessand view as text?20:35
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t_s_ofind yes, select, only the whole page20:36
t_s_oas for show as text, neither evince nor epdfviewer do that from what i can tell20:36
t_s_oor maybe i was a bit quick giving evince the speed price...20:37
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slonopotamusStskeeps, with patch you gave me i get WPA: Invalid EAPOL-Key MIC when using TPTK - ignoring TPTK after association with AP20:48
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* slonopotamus hit
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binkyCan someone help me with this? I cloned the OS to my MMC, but don't know why now there are 4 partitions: one with the OS, another FAT (which mounts as MMC), swap and another OS! don't know  why. Now I want to remove the second OS and use it as another "memory card" mounting it at /media/mmc2 and using a symlink. How can I erase it? mkfs.vfat and where it's mounted?21:17
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binkywell, I guess I'd have to  unmount it first...21:20
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Maceri'm watching the fed chair get drilled by the senate banking committee21:28
Macer:) how fun21:28
binkyMacer, lol!21:30
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Maceruh oh.... senator schumer :)21:32
ShadowJKAre they asking anything intelligent and relevant, or are they still focusing on the past?21:32
MacerShadowJK: senator schumer is21:32
binkyCan someone tell me a command like "df" to see where things go mounted?21:33
Maceryou can tell he knows what he is talking about21:33
Macerthe rest of the committee is only there to say they are on the banking committee and add it to their resume21:33
binkyShadowJK, thank you.21:33
ShadowJKcat /proc/mounts21:33
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ShadowJKcat /etc/fstab21:33
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Macerif senator schumer wasn't from new york. he would have made a good fed chair haha21:34
binkyShadowJK, I don't know almost anything about USA (I don't know even if Schumer is from USA), but sure they're most intelligent than spanish ones.21:34
binkyLast electoral debate (debate? I said it right?), both candidates  made a bet to see  who'd get fastest  in a context  the name of Javier Bardem and say it there.21:35
Maceroh wait.. i was wrong.. they are still blaming him :)21:35
udovdhdmesg says: [49449.320312] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change!21:35
udovdhwhile dumping from wlan21:36
Maceryou have to love it when a senator opens up with "you studied the great depression"21:36
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lcukive just been reading an article about tweaking and optimizing windows, and something struck a nerve - we are about to have tracker on the next device to parse and monitor our media21:37
udovdhbut did *he* learn from it?21:37
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lcukreading this:21:37
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lcukVista's file indexing sounds like a good idea in theory: maintaining an index of files contained on the hard drive along with details of their properties to help speed up searching. But in reality searching for files is something that most people do on a very infrequent basis, so it's wasteful for Windows to spend any time monitoring files when that processor time could be put to much better use.21:37
qwerty12_N800ukki: what's happened to solmumaha? :p21:37
t_s_oi really love how google is able to correct something as "obscure" as cthulhu ;)21:37
lcukare we gonna encounter similar issues with the indexer mashing its way through?21:37
udovdhimplement desktop search that way21:38
udovdhmarket clevery21:38
ukkiqwerty12_N800: he left the maemo scene21:38
qwerty12_N800t_s_o: hey, it corrects maemo too, don't knock it! ;)21:38
Macerlcuk: does indexing take up that much of the cpu?21:38
qwerty12_N800ukki: hehe, shame, i liked that guy :p21:38
konttori__lcuk: tracker runs at idle priority. thus, it will not hit app perf.21:38
lcukMacer, not sure yet, but on a desktop system it appears to21:39
Maceri could understand the initial indexing. but afterwards :) it probably uses .001% of the cpu21:39
udovdhcheck out e.g. beagle for an idea?21:39
konttori__well, indexing runs at idle. when queries are made, tracker runs at higher prio21:39
Macerit probably taxes the hd much more than the c pu21:39
lcukhiya konttori__, it just twinges a nerve (same one we half discussed at the summit lol)21:39
binkyShadowJK, ok, and to see the size or the used bytes of /dev/mmcblk0p* (where * is 1, 2...)21:39
lcukas long as we are safe from runaway processes thats alright21:39
konttori__lcuk: well, tracker only indexes the user files, so any hidden directories, or application data is not indexed - nor monitored21:40
konttori__thus, it's not handling inotify events all the time.21:40
lcukyeah and if i swap memory cards often or change data a lot21:40
lcukie lots of new photos..21:40
lcukbig 5mp photos21:40
konttori__sure, those are the processor consuming times21:40
lcukyes, the tracker will be reading it whilst the photo app is trying to read it to show it21:41
ShadowJKdouble the memory pressure :)21:41
lcukthats what im thinking, its why it twinges21:41
lcuki hope its fine :)21:41
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konttori__lcuk: if both are accessign it at the same time, kernel caches the data and it's very efficient for both to access it at the same time21:42
Macerthis bank nationalization will not work21:42
ShadowJKPerhaps worse than memory pressure is that SD/MMC dislikes non-sequential reads :)21:42
lcukdoes tracker do the thumbnailing as well?21:42
konttori__yeah, it does thumbs as well21:42
konttori__for videos, images and album art for music files21:43
lcuki think you mentioned there was a way to do a manual update21:43
ShadowJKkonttori__, that only works as long as they're both accessing files within a tiny window afforded by RAM21:43
lcukie take picture, call in sync the thumbnailer, then show it all in sequence?21:43
konttori__ShadowJK: sure, but that was the case lcuk was presenting21:43
lcukit becomes useful if its in sync because then the thumbnail is available for use directly by the app generating the data21:44
timelesswill mmap do something remotely sane if you're lucky?21:44
konttori__lcuk: we use epeg for thumbnailing, so it's blazing fast for photos21:44
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ShadowJKkonttori__, but will he be viewing photos at the same speed as they're indexed? :-)21:44
konttori__ShadowJK: sorry, I don't get it. what do you mean?21:45
* timeless objects to assigning gender to a device21:45
binkyany ideas for that? I want to see the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* because I can't mount them and i want to format  one of them (although I don't know which)21:45
lcuki have a gstreamer stream.  i tell it to save an image.  that call is in sync.  i want my next action to be something like tracker_ensureupdated(newfilename);  and to have everything in sync so i can at my next operation grab a thumbnail and render iit on the canvas21:46
timelesslcuk: i hope you aren't blocking the ui waiting on tracker21:46
lcuki can *only* grab a thumbnail if the tracker caching has occured21:46
timelessbecause that'd always be bad21:47
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ShadowJKkonttori__, 2 or more gigabytes of new data to go through. Doesn't fit in ram. Once the thumbnail making and indexing has processed 30 megs or so, the first pictures start getting evicted from ram, and if he then tries to view things, the two processes will be fighting for disk access and ram.. I'm saying caching doesn't help much here :)21:47
konttori__sure, there will always be cases, where there are io issues.21:47
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timelessshadowjk: i think it's reasonable to hope that they'll test these cases21:48
lcuktimeless, no, but the alternative is to simply load the jpeg in realtime as i do now21:48
konttori__otoh, SD cards are pretty fast these days21:48
timelessif you're truly afraid, write up a testcase21:48
timelesswe can make sure it's tested21:48
lcuktimeless, tis discussion for now21:48
ukkimy house has been invaded by lesbian shrews :(21:48
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lcukphotos or it didnt happen21:49
timelessukki: tame one and keep her?21:49
ShadowJKkonttori__, be sure to test them on non-sequential access.. those I have really hate it, they degrade to 4-30kbyte/s if many apps are trying to read at teh same time :/21:49
ukkii've been catching them the whole weekend21:49
lcukhow do you know they are lesbians?21:49
ukkii take them out and soon they are munching my living room carpet again21:49
* timeless looks at a wikipedia article for someone matching ukki's real name21:50
* lcuk now gets it21:50
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timelessis that person still MIA?21:50
ukkiand it woke my wife up by sniffing her hair21:50
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* timeless pokes ukki about his namesake21:52
konttori__ShadowJK: well, indexing really is usually quite fast operation. Tracker extract extracts about 50 songs a sec. I cannot recall the speed of image indexing, but thumbnailing takes about 0.1 secs or 0.2 secs for 5 MP image (that you or lcuk mentioned), if my memory serves me right). So, 50 songs is about 250 MB of music per sec, so your case of 2 Gb would take about 10 secs. Of course, there are slow downs in certain cases, e.g. vb21:52
Macerrihanna has the herpes21:52
ShadowJK"e.g. v"<cutoff>21:53
lcuklol macer, thats a strange continuation to konttori__'s post21:53
timelessbtw, a 2gb module is a joke21:53
timelessif you aren't handling 8gb ...21:53
ukkitimeless: what do you mean mia?21:54
timelessmissing in action21:54
ukkiyes, that i know :)21:54
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timelessand you know your name, so look it up in en.wikipedia21:54
konttori__timeless: vbr variable bit rate - thus, to calculate the total length somewhat correctly, you need to evaluate a lot of frames of music to come up with average bit rate to do the calculation of total duration of a song.21:54
timelessi can't paste a link because my irc connection isn't utf8 safe21:55
konttori__of course, mp3 files do not actually contain the duration in the headers at all.21:55
timelesskonttori: even my media collection is 7g21:55
konttori__well, next to never.21:55
ukkiwell i'm not that guy :)21:55
timelessukki: i assumed as much21:55
timelessbut that wasn't the question21:55
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ShadowJKkonttori__, actually wouldn't it be wiser to try make sure that background indexing doesn't add to memory pressure, that is, make sure what it goes through doesn't get cached in ram?21:56
ukkihe did the richey edwards21:56
konttori__timeless: yeah, and I have test data of so and so many gigs, but really, I just mentioned the 2 because someone else was referring to that21:56
* timeless asks windows how much space this 6.9gb collection o f mp3s would cost21:56
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timeless:(. mp3s don't get very good compression21:57
timelessit's the difference between 6.9gb on disk and 6.91gb21:57
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* timeless ponders21:58
timelesswhat portion of content is vbr these days?21:58
timelessi have 250 'songs' in my ~7gb 'collection'21:58
konttori__ShadowJK: well, tracker really only reads as few blocks of data as possible. e.g. for a mp3 it first tries to read the first and last 512 bytes to see id3 format. then, if needed, it will read a few blocks more and that's it for a music file.21:59
konttori__really doens't do much io21:59
bensonYay! My new N810 survived a bath!21:59
* timeless has ~2000 pictures in ~2gb of data21:59
timelessbenson: you clearly haven't read the owners manual21:59
timelessbecause it's listed as a No No21:59
ShadowJKSometimes after I've put my tablet down and the screen has switched off, it has watchdog-rebooted. I never investigated, but assumed it was because of the memory pressure from indexing pushing stuff to swap, ending up in reboot when dsme (or whatever pokes the watchdog) got blocked waiting for swapin, and the average queue length exceeding 30sec or so at that point21:59
derfIf mp3s got good compression, something would be seriously wrong with them.22:00
ShadowJK(and it stopped doing that after I reduced the queue length for the memory cards)22:00
bensontimeless: Hence the yay; surviving no-nos is remarkable.22:00
ShadowJKRodney in stargate atlantis was bathing with his tablet, they should cope with it!22:01
lcukegyptian stone tablets CAN be bathed22:02
bensonN800s have been known to function and play music while fully submerged; N810s apparently not so good.22:02
bensonThe screen was already starting to short before I go the battery pulled.22:02
ShadowJKit has openings everywhere, how could it not short being submerged :)22:03
bensonBut a few hours of hot air drying later, and it seems fine.22:03
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bensonWell, water is a good insulator. _Anything_ dissolved in water isn't.22:03
bensonSo maybe that guy's pond was purer than my bathwater.22:04
ShadowJKiirc there was a note in the N810 box, or maybe the manual, that said Nokia had used the same size screws everywhere22:04
ShadowJKif that's true that's nice for times like that :)22:04
bensonYeah, but I couldn't find my bitty torxes anyway, so I just dried it whole. Woulda been faster if I could have disassembled it.22:05
ShadowJKI have a bunch of torxes, but they're all the wrong size whenever I need one.22:06
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binkyIf I didn't get an answer before, why'd I get it now? Meh. Does anybody know a command to know the size of /dev/mmcblk0p* without mounting it?22:14
* binky feels idiot because of asking the same thing 4 times.22:14
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Jaffabinky: fdisk? cat /proc/partitions?22:16
binkysh: fdisk: not found (...shit...)22:16
binkyOOOK! It worked22:17
binkyThank you veryyyy much, Jaffa!22:17
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wazdhey-hey world)22:44
Stskeepslo wazd22:45
Stskeepswazd: saw ?22:45
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binkyhi wazd22:46
wazdany brainsmashing news while I was offline?)22:46
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binkyBBC said that Obama announced worldwide peace, but it linked to Never Gonna Give You Up, so...22:47
binkynothing new.22:47
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wazdStskeeps, yep, already saw that22:48
wazdRST38bis: hola)22:48
binkybtw, can you guys help  me? I want to  get a partition mounted at boot instead of another one as the memory card (I'm booting from OS)22:49
RST38bisheya wazd22:49
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binky(from MMC, I mean)22:49
wazdStskeeps: Well, taskswitcher looks nice22:49
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binkyideas, anyone?22:51
wazdStskeeps: btw, any good news from Shutter77 with icons?)22:51
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konttori__can anyone help me: why am I getting this error: "dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./nuvopearl' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `nuvopearl-1.35'"22:57
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RST38bisyou have to rename source dir22:59
RST38bisso that it corresponds to the package name23:00
Maceri think i will get a ps323:00
Macerjust for sf423:00
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fireunMacer: and killzone2!23:02
Macerflorida is going to lose... too bad23:03
mbroadstany ideas why "sudo gainroot" wouldn't work? trying to follow this guide for cpu transparency here...23:03
konttori__RST38bis: so, I'll have to have source dir so that it includes the version number?23:03
Maceralmost done! i hope this crap works23:04
konttori__thanks. seems to be working. ... perhaps.23:04
Macerwow.. the dude from firefly/serenity is in a new show23:05
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konttori__RST38bis: thanks for the help23:06
RST38biskonttori: yep23:06
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threshhey folks, keep getting: Write failed after 0 bytes when trying to flash n810 with "latest" release from any clues?23:09
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lcukigagis, theremin loses sound capability after minimized for a while and restored. i just brought it back and its silent23:12
igagis1lcuk: hm, I did not see such bug, will investigate23:13
lcukit works again correctly after restarting23:14
igagis1lcuk: btw I looked at liqbase, very nice and incredibly fast23:14
lcukyeah, tis :)23:14
igagis1ok, that's better that restart restores the sound23:14
konttori__RST38h: so, what is the root for the debian install file? my first line is: "images" "/usr/share/themes/nuvopearl/images/"23:14
igagis1looks like you are trying to come up with some new ui concept for mibile devices?23:15
konttori__but I'm getting: cp: cannot stat `./"images"': No such file or directory23:15
lcukigagis, its not new to me :)23:15
konttori__while, images is in the root of the source package.23:15
igagis1lcuk: I saw your video on youtube about your new thing under development23:15
igagis1where you mess the images on the screen :-) that's fun23:16
lcukyeah, its relaxing23:16
konttori__thresh: sorry, I don't have any idea. perhaps USB. Or perhaps old version of the flasher tool23:17
konttori__or, perhaps invalid file23:17
threshi think i'll boot to linux23:17
igagis1lcuk: btw, I think that the future is finger friandly ui23:17
igagis1lcuk: stylus is almost dead23:17
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lcukfingerpainting is for kids23:18
lcukbut a big touch friendly ui (which i can still use just as well with my stylus) is required23:19
igagis1well, painting is not a finger task, agree, but much of the other stuff is more convenient when there's large buttons and you can easily hit them and no need to take the stilys every time23:19
binkyigagis, wth is theremin? Tell me it's a theremin-like app for the tablets! It would be amazing!23:20
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igagis1lcuk: yes, finger ui is good, but stylus should be present also for such tasks as sketching23:20
igagis1binky: it is my new app23:20
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lcuki like the plectrum on new devices23:21
igagis1binky: a musical instrument much like a theremin23:21
* lcuk was strumming his 810 last night23:21
binkybut tablets hasn't a acelerometer or something like it23:21
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binky(I built myself a crappy theremin, I know how it works like)23:21
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binkyHow does it work then?23:22
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lcukbinky, igagis's theremin and jagernot's boxar prove this device has potential23:22
lcuknicely actually23:22
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lcukigagis, give him a link23:22
igagis1binky: well theremin similarity is only that the app allows controlling pitch and volume continuously23:22
binkywill them work with 770 with OS2008HE?23:22
igagis1just a minute23:22
binkybut you can't multitouch23:22
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binkywell, you can emulate it with liqbase, but... it isn't the same23:23
lcukbinky, mmmn technicality - BUT i have multitouch type thing in liqbase23:23
lcukbinky, the multitouch i have (i believe) will feasibly work for 2 fingered drumming23:23
igagis1binky: you will need installing some C++ stuff also, gtkmm libs etc.23:24
lcuksince drums are poking the screen and dont act as strokes23:24
binkyI'll give it a try JUST now. =)23:24
binkythank you, I'll see.23:24
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binkylooks promising.23:24
igagis1apt-get install libcairomm-1.0-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libhildon-fmmm libhildonmm libsigc++-2.0-0c2a23:24
igagis1will install all that is needed for C++ libs23:24
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* igagis1 thinks about recording a video, playing simple melody with maemo theremin. Maybe next week... :-)23:27
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threshyeah, as always, linux works fine23:28
threshbloody osx23:28
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igagis1btw, some time ago, quite recently, I made USB mouse working with tablet, but after that I lost interest and did not public the solution, if anyone interested I can say how to do it, it is easy, but requires recompiling xomap.23:47
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Macersome dude stopped to help people on the highway that flipped over.. they jumped him and stole his car23:48
Macerbet that's the last time he ever stops for someone on the highway ever again23:48
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Maceronly in the burbs.. people in the city know better than to stop for strangers in a flipped car on the side of the road23:49
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t_s_othe behavior seems nearly savage :(23:50
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GeneralAntilleslol, Jaffa got a thumb23:59

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