| zakkm | mac uses X.org too | 00:00 |
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| Macer | so it's just a mach kernel with a shitty wm? | 00:00 |
| Macer | heh | 00:00 |
| zakkm | yup :) | 00:00 |
| Macer | sounds like fbsd running aqua :) | 00:00 |
| zakkm | can it really? | 00:00 |
| jeremiah_ | That is what it is, FreeBSD with Aqua | 00:00 |
| Macer | haha | 00:00 |
| zakkm | oh | 00:00 |
| jeremiah_ | And a bunch of proprietary apps | 00:00 |
| zakkm | talking that way | 00:00 |
| jeremiah_ | But they are damn consistent. | 00:00 |
| zakkm | i thought you can get like freebsd 7.0 and install aqua as a package.. and yeah :D | 00:01 |
| Macer | i was turned off by little things about it | 00:01 |
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| jeremiah_ | Especially with their user interface. | 00:01 |
| zakkm | the new safari 4 beta is beauitful | 00:01 |
| Macer | like the inability to keep the thing turned on with the lid closed without installing a 3rd party app | 00:01 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, apart from all the changes and incompatibilities along the way :P | 00:01 |
| zakkm | Macer :would be happy to take it off your hands :) | 00:01 |
| Macer | then there was the inability to change the color of the desktop icon fonts | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, really? I can't stand that Windows laptops absolutely refuse to sleep properly. | 00:01 |
| * Myrtti huggles her xubuntu ♥ | 00:01 | |
| Macer | zakkm: naw.. i still use it.. ;) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | but an intelligent person asks why you are changing the desktop background? | 00:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Awwww, huggles. | 00:02 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: i had a few.. i think the only one that was a total piece of shit was the averatec | 00:02 |
| Macer | :) | 00:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Jeremiah huggles his debian machines(s) | 00:02 |
| Myrtti | I just put Debian Women sticker I bought from Steve at FOSDEM on my laptop lid! | 00:02 |
| jeremiah_ | kiitos Myrtti for the new word! | 00:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Did we meet at FOSDEM? | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: np :-) | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | we did :-P | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | I think we did! | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | That was fun | 00:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Good to speak to you again. :) | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | indeed :-) | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | I need more stickers on my laptop :-/ | 00:04 |
| Myrtti | it still has vacant spots | 00:04 |
| jeremiah_ | Me too. | 00:04 |
| * jeremiah_ is reading the maemo training material | 00:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a maemo.org bumper sticker to slap on my Camry. | 00:04 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah_: uh-oh :-D | 00:04 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that wont fool anyone, they will still know its a crappy car | 00:05 |
| lcuk | you would need a MASSIVE sticker to hide it | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | lol | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | tgif | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, crappy? | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | actually, damn | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | it's already Saturday | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you're confusing Civic with Camry. | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | Umm, this is a tablet channel, not a car channel. | 00:06 |
| jeremiah_ | :) | 00:06 |
| Macer | have to love it when every article is missing in hella | 00:06 |
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| Macer | ah well.. i'm going to take a nap. spent a day with the gf .. she wanted to take me shopping to get myself some clothes | 00:07 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, we are also geeks and slashdot readers, car analogies are important | 00:07 |
| Macer | it was just one of those things you put up with | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, hey, I has ops! I decides what's on topic! :P | 00:07 |
| * b-man sees mac osx as just being a semi closed-sorce variant of linux.. kinda | 00:07 | |
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| Macer | b-man: fbsd | 00:07 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 00:07 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: ... you think | 00:07 |
| jeremiah_ | CAN I HAZ OPS?! | 00:07 |
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| Macer | if it were a variant of linux it would be a linux kernel not a mach kernel | 00:08 |
| * Myrtti huggles GeneralAntilles | 00:08 | |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 00:08 |
| jeremiah_ | b-man: Not at all - the kernels are completely different, as is the runtime | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | love is in the air! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo | 00:08 |
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| jeremiah_ | b-man: Thread handling is different | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | (though I associate that song to when my compiling craps out) | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, we've driven at least one user to idle in here on a totally separate account thanks to the spam. ;) | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | or when my firefox hangs and I have to kill -9 it | 00:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We've got expectations to meet and an image to consider. :P | 00:09 |
| jeremiah_ | b-man: Plus, linux performs 30% faster than OS X on the same hardware! | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash just seems to get worse and worse on this computer with every upgrade. | 00:09 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Heh, can't handle the spam, get off the net. :) | 00:09 |
| Macer | jeremiah_: uhm... | 00:09 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: 64-bit system? | 00:09 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: flash10? | 00:09 |
| zakkm | b-man: your guide mentions a "rootstrap" would that be okay to use? | 00:09 |
| jeremiah_ | Macer: Err . . . | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, OS X, PPC. | 00:09 |
| Myrtti | oh. | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Flash 10. | 00:09 |
| * Myrtti shuts up | 00:09 | |
| lcuk | windows runs faster than linux :P | 00:10 |
| Macer | haha | 00:10 |
| Macer | lcuk: i was waiting for someone to say it | 00:10 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: Yes, true, but only when it is in a linux virtual machine. | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | my MUM runs faster than Windows | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole browser comes screeching to a halt for about 30 seconds while Flash loads. | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~burn the heretic that is lcuk | 00:10 |
| Macer | xp is going faster on my artigo :) | 00:10 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over the heretic that is lcuk, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 00:10 | |
| b-man | zakkm: shure, but remember to run apt-get dist-upgrade ;) | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, none of these "x is faster than x" comparisons are the least bit valid. | 00:10 |
| jeremiah_ | BURN HIM! | 00:10 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, no way, a well tuned xp desktop is superior | 00:10 |
| jeremiah_ | BURN THE WITCH! | 00:10 |
| b-man | lol | 00:10 |
| b-man | XD | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | BURN THE HERETIC | 00:11 |
| zakkm | guys, how do i stop a ssh in terminal? | 00:11 |
| b-man | >:D | 00:11 |
| zakkm | ctrl D doesnt work? | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, according to your limited experience. | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | ctrl-c? | 00:11 |
| zakkm | ohh C -.- | 00:11 |
| lcuk | and liqbase is EVEN faster than that! | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/jeremiah_/lcuk/ | 00:11 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lcuk, according to your limited experience. | 00:11 |
| zakkm | i feel stupid | 00:11 |
| Macer | i think linux wold have possibly ran faster on this thing if i had not used kubuntu | 00:11 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Type 'reset' then control-D | 00:11 |
| Macer | what a mistake that was | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if you want to bring out the scientific studies to prove your point, please do. ;) | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gnome ftw | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | zakkm: don't, it's part of the natural learning process | 00:11 |
| Macer | ie didn't have tabbed browsing until ie7? | 00:11 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | Macer: welcome! to the future! | 00:12 |
| zakkm | no i been using linux along time and such and cli and i kept typing D im like -.- woorrkkk | 00:12 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, easy one, scrollbars - in linux they dont reach the very edge of the screen - i cannot just move mouse to right hand edge and click | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | oh, this reminds me of... ZOMBO.COM! | 00:12 |
| Macer | Myrtti: i don't like ie7... i guess i'll install chrome on this thing | 00:12 |
| lcuk | (prob down to windowmanager over linux itself) | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | you can do anything at ZOMBO.COM | 00:12 |
| Macer | they still let you get rid of ie completely in xp right? | 00:12 |
| Macer | :) | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | Macer: I haven't used IE since 5.5 | 00:12 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: In fact recent studies and benchmarks show that certain parts of the Windows runtime run _faster_ in WINE than in Windows. | 00:12 |
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| jeremiah_ | :P | 00:12 |
| Macer | Myrtti: i usually use it but i hate ie7.. but i think installing other browsers with ie installed is redundant | 00:12 |
| lcuk | but that still doesnt say linux runs faster | 00:12 |
| lcuk | that just shows that windows can be optimized more | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeremiah_: some viruses work better in wine :p | 00:13 |
| Macer | ie7 is horribly slow | 00:13 |
| b-man | lol | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | i solved a windows technical problem using wine the other day | 00:13 |
| Macer | wonder if they have ie listed in windows components | 00:13 |
| lcuk | i would genuinely be interested to start to replace the MS libraries with the wine equivs | 00:13 |
| zakkm | windows has always been faster in my opinion but overtime comes to a crawl, while linux stays persistent doesnt matter when you last reformatted | 00:13 |
| zakkm | :D | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | the problem with windows is the constant reboots | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | that make you want to bash someone's head in with a Windows 3.11 for Workgroups manual | 00:14 |
| jeremiah_ | and the virii, and the cost, and the license, and the FUD, and the bloat | 00:14 |
| lcuk | zakkm good point, but windows generally doesnt fall over if you keep it cleaned up, linux has a hickup and you lose your WM and are sat at a console going WTF? | 00:14 |
| * b-man doesn't use windows :) | 00:14 | |
| lcuk | doesnt it get cold? | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | indeed, although it's a *bit* better in nt. 98/me would drive me crazy with the reboot level in that | 00:15 |
| * jeremiah_ doesn't use Windows either. | 00:15 | |
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| zakkm | i know theres ccleaner and all , it was just something i used to say about the speed difference between linux and windows | 00:15 |
| Macer | well. i'll be damned.. you can get rid of ie | 00:15 |
| Macer | :) | 00:15 |
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| zakkm | theres obviously exceptions but it is a general rule accepted by most ;p | 00:15 |
| * Myrtti doesn't use Windows without being forced | 00:15 | |
| Macer | was that part of the anti trust settlement or something? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | windows doesnt get dirty unless you walk round with your muddy feet | 00:15 |
| * oli used to use windows to play CS | 00:15 | |
| lcuk | if you keep the ship clean and tidy it runs well | 00:15 |
| b-man | Myrtti: same here :) | 00:16 |
| Myrtti | I was forced in June ;____; | 00:16 |
| Macer | wtf! hahaha | 00:16 |
| oli | lcuk: hijackthis and combofix do the thing | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: say that to the vista update that fucked up on every comp | 00:16 |
| lcuk | im gonna vanish anyway, theres a curry leakage in the fridge | 00:16 |
| Myrtti | and I'm still the only one who takes care of my sisters PC (w2k) | 00:16 |
| Macer | i just got rid of ie from the windows components .. then go to a web site address in explorer.. and go to help and about and it says "about internet explorer" | 00:16 |
| Macer | so what does it do? just get rid of the icons? :) | 00:17 |
| Myrtti | my niece and nephew know they can go asking for support for their Vista laptops from someone else than me | 00:17 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, 1000000000% agree, everything of microsofts since 2003 has been downhill, i hate the OTT .net initiative and every single overloaded bloated pile of crap since | 00:17 |
| zakkm | whats combofix? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | actually, i dont hate .net, i hate visual studio | 00:17 |
| lcuk | it feels like eclipse | 00:17 |
| zakkm | what you talking about, windows 7 is fast :) | 00:17 |
| * lcuk spits | 00:17 | |
| * b-man finishes updating ubuntu-n8x0 repo | 00:17 | |
| lcuk | zakkm, cool so ill put it on my eee | 00:17 |
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| zakkm | honestly they really did fix it up | 00:18 |
| lcuk | polishing a turd | 00:18 |
| lcuk | vista sp2 | 00:18 |
| zakkm | its not as eyecandy as vista though, but its like half way.. and veryy nice speed | 00:18 |
| zakkm | b-man: getting 10kb/s off that link for the rootstrap | 00:18 |
| * lcuk goes currying | 00:19 | |
| zakkm | http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz | 00:19 |
| b-man | mhm | 00:19 |
| zakkm | b-man:im getting like 2.2kb/s now? | 00:22 |
| b-man | try re-connecting? | 00:22 |
| zakkm | i did | 00:22 |
| zakkm | and its my home wifi, and my dekstop is going fine | 00:23 |
| zakkm | i re ssh'd too | 00:23 |
| zakkm | differnet partition on nokia | 00:23 |
| b-man | hmm - maybe AndrewFBlack's server is being slow ;p | 00:23 |
| zakkm | it says b-man in the url? | 00:23 |
| * oli reporting 127kB/s - max ;) | 00:24 | |
| b-man | but it's not my server :) - he's just letting me use it ;) | 00:24 |
| b-man | over 500GB :D | 00:24 |
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| zakkm | oli: i got that bandwidth too | 00:25 |
| zakkm | but its not letting me download that fast, it did at first for like 2 seconds | 00:25 |
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| zakkm | Nokia-N800-43-7:/mnt/ubuntu# wget http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-v2.1.tar.gz | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | save to your computer & untar it over usb | 00:26 |
| zakkm | oh works from desktop :) | 00:26 |
| zakkm | yeah | 00:26 |
| b-man | :) | 00:26 |
| * Myrtti crawls into her bed | 00:26 | |
| Myrtti | nini everyone | 00:27 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_n800: just started download, and then switched to irc, and saw your post ;p | 00:27 |
| zakkm | b-man: where in the guide would i skip to? | 00:27 |
| b-man | g'night Myrtti :) | 00:27 |
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| b-man | zakkm: skip to step 6 | 00:28 |
| b-man | but remember to run apt-get dist-upgrade before doingo ;) | 00:29 |
| b-man | *doing so | 00:29 |
| zakkm | oh wow thats a big skip | 00:29 |
| zakkm | do i have to? | 00:29 |
| zakkm | im sure i will evantually, but does it matter for now? | 00:29 |
| b-man | it's highly suggested - that image is getting old | 00:30 |
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| * b-man needs to make a new one soon | 00:30 | |
| zakkm | want to see it at a desktop and all ;p and then update if that would work out | 00:30 |
| zakkm | i want to use the e17 :D | 00:30 |
| b-man | :) | 00:31 |
| zakkm | hows battery life in it? | 00:31 |
| zakkm | compared to maemo? | 00:31 |
| b-man | 1-2 hours for heavy use, 2-3 hours for idle - with powersave | 00:32 |
| b-man | withh gnome) | 00:32 |
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| * oli would like to try fluxbox on tablet | 00:32 | |
| zakkm | wow thats terrible? | 00:32 |
| zakkm | why so bad? | 00:32 |
| zakkm | maemo is like 5-6 hours use ? | 00:32 |
| b-man | i'm using a heavy desktop ;) | 00:32 |
| zakkm | 2-3 hours idle though. | 00:33 |
| b-man | it's more like 2-3 hours standard use | 00:33 |
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| zakkm | hopefully e17 would help battery life ;p | 00:33 |
| b-man | i'll bet it will make a huge diffrence ;) | 00:33 |
| * Jaffa remembers when Enlightenment was viewed as the heavy, overly pretty, slow, bloated option | 00:33 | |
| b-man | hehe | 00:34 |
| zakkm | XD | 00:34 |
| * qwerty12_N800 remembers using it in BeOS... | 00:34 | |
| zakkm | 20 minutes reamining for rootstrap | 00:34 |
| b-man | zakkm: i would not worry too much about battery usage - it basicly uses the same ammount as deblet ;) | 00:36 |
| zakkm | never did try deblet | 00:36 |
| zakkm | attempted but failed | 00:36 |
| b-man | it's not bad ;) | 00:36 |
| b-man | 1624 b/s... hmmm :( | 00:38 |
| b-man | (b/s) | 00:39 |
| zakkm | getting what? | 00:39 |
| b-man | running apt-get update | 00:39 |
| zakkm | thats okay isnt it | 00:39 |
| zakkm | that meter is always wrong | 00:40 |
| b-man | not for my standards :D | 00:40 |
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| b-man | 488 b/s O_o | 00:41 |
| b-man | now it spiked to 95 kb/s.. lol XD | 00:42 |
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| zakkm | i extract the rootstrap to mmcblk0p2 | 00:43 |
| zakkm | ? | 00:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | well, the mountpoint of /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 00:44 |
| oli | how do i make pop-ups? like in merinstaller script? | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | notification bubbles? | 00:44 |
| b-man | e.g. - mount /deev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/jaunty ;) | 00:45 |
| zakkm | yeah i know | 00:45 |
| zakkm | but lets say i changed it | 00:45 |
| zakkm | is mmcblk0p2 the right partition | 00:45 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: no, little dialog boxes with some text field or/and buttons | 00:45 |
| b-man | zenity? :P | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli: oh, i've uploaded zenity to extras - apt-get install zenuty | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/zenuty/zenity/ | 00:45 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: oli: oh, i've uploaded zenity to extras - apt-get install zenity | 00:45 |
| zakkm | Step 6 ~ activating swap (recomended for ubuntu-desktop) | 00:46 |
| b-man | ~burn his N800 | 00:46 |
| zakkm | This is assental for ubuntu-desktop to run smothly/sainly. | 00:46 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over his N800, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 00:46 | |
| zakkm | what is wrong with that sentence ;p | 00:46 |
| b-man | it didn't work ;p | 00:46 |
| zakkm | is assental a real word? | 00:46 |
| oli | got it installed , now I'll learn how to use it ;] | 00:47 |
| b-man | infobot | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT is just getting silly. | 00:47 |
| zakkm | :) | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: Use your powers to subdue the population! | 00:48 |
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| b-man | zakkm: yes, it is :P - gnome will run horrible without it :p | 00:48 |
| zakkm | noo | 00:48 |
| zakkm | it says assental .. which isnt a real word.. | 00:49 |
| zakkm | its essential | 00:49 |
| zakkm | This is assental for ubuntu-desktop to run smothly/sainly. | 00:49 |
| b-man | oh - spelling mistake.. i'll correct it | 00:49 |
| * Jaffa boggles at the number of people on ITT jumping up and down about how Nokia are not doing anything, how they're slipping, how the next tablet is like Duke Nukem Forever. | 00:49 | |
| Jaffa | Have I gone through the looking glass? | 00:49 |
| zakkm | i do highly believe gnome on the tablet would need swap :P | 00:49 |
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| b-man | hehe ;) | 00:50 |
| zakkm | isnt maemo speeding up alot lately? | 00:50 |
| zakkm | ubuntu port, mer is going fast.. | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I've pointed out all of the highly visible progress to danramos several times to no effect. | 00:50 |
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| b-man | ...because there using hildon? :) | 00:51 |
| b-man | @zakkm | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems to be his only supporting argument for the "silence" is emphatic declaration. | 00:51 |
| zakkm | i know im just saying in the whole tablet sense | 00:51 |
| zakkm | things are going alot faster, in my mind | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Nothing's happening because I say nothing's and there's nothing you can do to change my mind!!!" | 00:51 |
| RST38h | Jaffa,General: As I said, releasing a Diablo update with some of the upcoming Fremantle features (like kinetic scrolling) would go a long way toward proving all the fearmongers wrong | 00:51 |
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| zakkm | what is kinetic scrolling? | 00:52 |
| zakkm | is that the after effect where it keeps going? | 00:52 |
| * Jaffa isn't convinced about multiple Maemo devices *yet*. Peter's view is always longer term than the next device; and I think fremantle'll be the stepping stone to the multi-device ground-break Harmattan | 00:52 | |
| b-man | yes | 00:52 |
| zakkm | that was so cool in android :) | 00:52 |
| zakkm | used to do it for fun | 00:52 |
| RST38h | But, as things are, *nothing* is happening with the tablets everybody has at hands, and there isn't much to be done about it =( | 00:52 |
| b-man | agreed :) | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: agreed, an OS2008.75 would've been good. But the next device could have had an OS which made as much use of it as OS2005 did on a 770 | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I don't buy it either. | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: install mer and you get kinetic scrolling goodness | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | Perfect for the desperate end-user ;-) | 00:53 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Mer isn't fully functional on the tablet and it does not come from Nokia, so it will only further public view that "Nokia is doing nothing" | 00:53 |
| zakkm | definitely fremantle wont work on n800? | 00:53 |
| * RST38h isn't a desperate end user really. | 00:54 | |
| zakkm | its not just rumoured? | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Got plenty of hardware to play with, much more so than time available for the play | 00:54 |
| b-man | zakkm, most likely not unfortunately | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: It is looking very likely, that unless something changes, Nokia will not provide an end-user installable Fremantle image for N8x0 users. | 00:54 |
| zakkm | awesome its done downoading | 00:54 |
| zakkm | it could always turn out to be "hacker editions" ? | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer is the Hacker Edition. | 00:55 |
| b-man | it's looking likely?? | 00:55 |
| zchydem | zakkm, RST38h, Jaffa: For kinetic scrolling and other Qt based stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAwmW6_G0TM | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: Much of Fremantle's tech is already being delivered through Mer, which is the proper- community-owned - Hacker Edition. http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 00:55 |
| b-man | oh ;p | 00:55 |
| RST38h | General: Remember, N800 and N810 were once marketed as multiple devices | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | b-man: there was a negative in there ;-) | 00:55 |
| zchydem | couldn't resist to put that link.. | 00:55 |
| RST38h | General: But N800 soon faded into marketing oblivion | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Not by Nokia IIRC | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Didn't Nokia said that N800/N810 are two equivalent harware-wise devices for slightly different needs? | 00:56 |
| RST38h | didn/hasn/ | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | zchydem: I saw earlier, very swish. I think the background should move slightly (giving a parallax effect) when panning through the launcher left-to-right. Looked very odd with the static background. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish we could fast forward a month or two and just be done with it. | 00:57 |
| zchydem | Jaffa: yeah, it's just in quite beginning.. | 00:57 |
| RST38h | Besides, it would be spring then =) | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I honestly only remember Thoughtfix/Texrat et al saying that. Now, that could've come from Nokia briefing them, but I really don't remember anything from Nokia about it. Indeed, at the N810 launch it was all "who'd want an N800? The N810 has a keyboard, GPS and is smaller" | 00:57 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, I also remember thoughtfix saying this stuff | 00:58 |
| zakkm | b-man: does the root partition have to be ext3 , can it be ext2? | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | "who'd want an N800?" - people who don't want a fixed size internal card :) | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Anyway, multiple Maemo devices seem unlikely unless Nokia really decides to ditch S60 for Maemo on high-end devices | 00:58 |
| b-man | it can be ext2 but ext3 is a better format :) | 00:58 |
| b-man | less likely to ruin your system after a crash) | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: agreed. I bet there are people high up in Nokia who may be paying more attention to Maemo in the next 12 months or so. | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | Depending on how well open sourcing Symbian goes. | 00:59 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Dunno, I am getting an impression that Maemo is more like a semi-research side project for Nokia | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: More or less like that Itsy tablet (?) that ended up as iPaq | 01:00 |
| zakkm | b-man: according to your guide mmcblk0p2 = root... but it becomes 6mb? when you do 356,6 ? | 01:02 |
| zakkm | and the large one, becomes swap? 3.7gb of swap? | 01:02 |
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| b-man | that's your userspace witch is 356mb with fat16, your linux partition will be ,,L for linux83 (,, meaning the rest) | 01:04 |
| zakkm | sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 | 01:04 |
| zakkm | 356,6 | 01:04 |
| zakkm | ,,L | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It started like that, and that's how (I think) Maemo SW still - to an extent - view themselves. But I bet there are more senior managers paying it attention as a "we need something to compete with iPhone/Android/webOS and Symbian isn't cutting the mustard". Internal politics is fun, and I know how big companies work (recommended read: "Big Blue: The Unmaking of IBM" - unfortunately written in the early 90s before IBM's comeback, but still fascinating | 01:04 |
| zakkm | partition 1 - 356mb.. partition 2 - 6mb partition 3 - rest | 01:04 |
| zakkm | end of guide you put partition 3 = swap? | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | internal politics between the PC and mainframe guys scuppered everything they were doing, and handed the PC business to Microsoft on a silver platter). | 01:05 |
| b-man | partition 1 = 356mb fat partition 2 = the rest is linux83 | 01:05 |
| zakkm | exactly | 01:05 |
| zakkm | so rest linux83 = root right? | 01:05 |
| zakkm | rest would be partition 3? | 01:05 |
| b-man | ,, = empty | 01:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: well, product lineup indicates that the big cheeses are all centered on S60e5 | 01:05 |
| zakkm | mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p3 ? | 01:05 |
| zakkm | that doesnt make sense then | 01:06 |
| b-man | S = swap | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: true | 01:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Interesting that tablets are not even on the list of developer samples leaked a while ago | 01:06 |
| zakkm | nonono 2 and 3 are wrongly ordered | 01:06 |
| zakkm | the way i see it | 01:06 |
| b-man | how big is your card? | 01:06 |
| zakkm | 4gb | 01:06 |
| RST38h | SLEEP. | 01:06 |
| b-man | how big do you want swap? | 01:06 |
| zakkm | 512 ? | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed. Suppose it depends from what level in the org it was leaked (although post-restructure isn't it all a bit less siloed?) | 01:07 |
| b-man | k, hold on.. | 01:07 |
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| zakkm | dev/mmcblk0p3 :,, | 01:07 |
| zakkm | dev/mmcblk0p3 362 3827 3466 3549184 83 Linux | 01:08 |
| zakkm | according to your guide | 01:08 |
| zakkm | 3466mb for swap? | 01:08 |
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| b-man | partition 1 = 356,6 partition 2 = 3644,L partition 3 = 512, S | 01:08 |
| zakkm | 3644,L trailing junk after number | 01:09 |
| zakkm | there we go :) | 01:09 |
| zakkm | thank you | 01:09 |
| b-man | np :) | 01:09 |
| zakkm | Nokia-N800-43-7:~# umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 01:10 |
| zakkm | umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The comment about Linux being an option on high-end phones was interesting. | 01:10 |
| zakkm | arent phones always some form of linux? | 01:11 |
| b-man | do you have virtual memory ennabled? | 01:11 |
| zakkm | except pda style ones | 01:11 |
| zakkm | ohh that might be it | 01:11 |
| b-man | :) | 01:11 |
| zakkm | i restarted hildon desktop im like.. whats taking it | 01:11 |
| b-man | :D | 01:12 |
| zakkm | yes its working :) | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, um, no? | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is Symbian Linux? | 01:12 |
| zakkm | isnt it? | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 01:13 |
| zakkm | always thought it was | 01:13 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor is Windows Mobile | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor iPhone OS | 01:13 |
| zakkm | well i said besides pda style | 01:13 |
| zakkm | that meant windows mobile ;p | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then there's a dozen and one proprietary OSes. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Motorola being the only vendor that even dabbles a little bit in Linux there. | 01:13 |
| zakkm | i meant like old flip phones, $50 w.e | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nor ENEA OSE, which can be found on even k750 ;) | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, yeah, proprietary stuff. | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely not Linux. . . . | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | s40 | 01:14 |
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| zakkm | ah mann | 01:15 |
| zakkm | i made mmcblk0p4 - 3.2gb | 01:15 |
| oli | i've got little problem with zanity | 01:18 |
| b-man | DX | 01:18 |
| oli | i want to make a radio list with one column hidden (number to report to script: 1,2,3) and other with descriptions of numbers | 01:19 |
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| oli | when i use --column=No true 1 false 2 false 3 it's ok | 01:21 |
| oli | but when i try to add 2nd column it's mixing with prev. one | 01:22 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: what do you use to read ext3 on mac? | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The crappy, broken EXT* driver that's floating around out there. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use SFTP to transfer files. | 01:23 |
| oli | got it! | 01:23 |
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| zakkm | can you transfer files over ssh? | 01:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That'd be SFTP | 01:26 |
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| derf | sftp is for losers. | 01:26 |
| derf | Use scp. | 01:26 |
| zakkm | how do i set up? | 01:26 |
| zakkm | simple setup | 01:27 |
| derf | scp is like cp, except you put user@host: in front of your file names. | 01:27 |
| zakkm | ? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | lol derf, i think zakkm is more a gui person ;) | 01:28 |
| * benson likes being a loser | 01:28 | |
| zakkm | no lol i just get confused by that | 01:28 |
| lcuk | benson, why are you a loser? | 01:29 |
| zakkm | im sorry im not as old as you guys :) | 01:29 |
| benson | I use sftp. | 01:29 |
| lcuk | zakkm, dont worry i hate the console as well | 01:29 |
| * lcuk uses winftp | 01:29 | |
| lcuk | winscp | 01:29 |
| lcuk | rather | 01:29 |
| lbt | scp has less letters than sftp | 01:29 |
| derf | lcuk: You're a recovering Windows user, you don't count. | 01:30 |
| lcuk | heck no, im not recovering | 01:30 |
| lcuk | i fall off the wagon every day | 01:30 |
| benson | sftp has ls, rm, etc. | 01:30 |
| * Jaffa decides that free time is for losers and emails maemo-community. | 01:30 | |
| derf | Give it 5 years. | 01:30 |
| lcuk | yeah ill have liqos to use then :) | 01:30 |
| lbt | scp has ssh | 01:30 |
| lbt | and autocomletion in bash | 01:31 |
| lbt | see | 01:31 |
| lbt | if this was bash it would have spelt that right | 01:31 |
| benson | sftp has _heritage_! :p | 01:31 |
| lbt | so has windows | 01:31 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:31 |
| zakkm | i have mac? | 01:31 |
| lcuk | cp existed before ftp? | 01:31 |
| zakkm | theres built in ssh and all | 01:32 |
| lbt | zakkm: why are you asking, you don't know? | 01:32 |
| zakkm | i tend to do ? after a sentence, habit. | 01:32 |
| lbt | ah? | 01:32 |
| benson | cp didn't exist over the network, I think... | 01:32 |
| zakkm | how do i copy something from mac to nokia ;( | 01:32 |
| lbt | sd card | 01:32 |
| zakkm | got scp on mac and nokia :( | 01:33 |
| zakkm | i cant, mac cant read the ext3 | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Transmit | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | SFTP | 01:33 |
| lbt | nfs | 01:33 |
| lbt | smb | 01:33 |
| zakkm | samba? i dont use windows ;p | 01:33 |
| lcuk | zakkm, print it out, put it through the fax machine, at the other end place it onto a wooden table, take a photo, scan it into word, export as pdf, upload to some webservice and then browse to it from your nokia | 01:33 |
| benson | Carrier pigeons. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | simple! | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | format the mac partition & install linux | 01:34 |
| zakkm | omg ;p | 01:34 |
| derf | lcuk: You forgot "Embed it in a Word file." | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.panic.com/transmit/ | 01:34 |
| lcuk | "scan it into word, export as pdf," | 01:34 |
| lbt | I had a broken samsung hdd | 01:34 |
| lbt | the man from samsung sent me a new firmware | 01:34 |
| derf | Oh, sorry, I must've skipped some in the middle. | 01:34 |
| lbt | embedded in a powerpoint file | 01:34 |
| lbt | for real | 01:34 |
| lcuk | you - they are called transmission errors | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | ppt doesnt play too well on tablet | 01:35 |
| benson | zakkm: My folks use ~80% Linux machines on their network, and use smb for all systems. | 01:35 |
| lbt | http | 01:35 |
| lcuk | not without conversion again | 01:35 |
| derf | lbt: It's quite sad how often such things happen. | 01:35 |
| lbt | lcuk: you have no idea how *hard* that was to get out!!! | 01:35 |
| lcuk | screenshot photos in word documents really piss me off! | 01:35 |
| lbt | OO doesn't deal well with firmware in presentations | 01:35 |
| lcuk | :O | 01:36 |
| lcuk | i missed a line | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, now imagine a world with Microsoft. | 01:36 |
| zakkm | OO hates me :) | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/with/without/ ;) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | wtf @ firmware in ppt | 01:36 |
| * lcuk shakes head | 01:36 | |
| benson | Wasn't taking much imagination for a minute. | 01:36 |
| lcuk | see - having all these technogical things just makes you use em for stupid crap! | 01:36 |
| lbt | samsung engineer.... I have *so* much more confidence in them now... | 01:36 |
| lcuk | back to basics! | 01:37 |
| lbt | GW? | 01:37 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: So IBM is still the big bad megacorp? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | could do | 01:37 |
| benson | Or someone different by now? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | monkey.bas (i seem to recall?) | 01:37 |
| derf | benson: You trying to tell me they're not _now_? | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, it's actually an interesting question. | 01:37 |
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| benson | _the_ big bad megacorp | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would Linux have developed to where it is today without Microsoft? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | sure, linus didnt do it to beat windows | 01:38 |
| lcuk | some of the window managers however might not be where they are | 01:38 |
| benson | No, not Linux. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Linux didn't happen just by Linus's hand. | 01:38 |
| derf | It's not just Linus. | 01:38 |
| derf | Yeah, Gnome and KDE would be very different. | 01:38 |
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| derf | And we'd probably all be ruled by Apple. | 01:38 |
| benson | You can't shuffle history that much and expect the same guy's pet project to take off like that. | 01:38 |
| benson | butterfly effect and all. | 01:38 |
| lcuk | linux itself is not a competitor for windows | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's assuming I'm not an RMS subscriber and by "Linux" I mean "not just the kernel". ;) | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: I can type. | 01:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up. | 01:39 | |
| * lcuk can REALLY see some far flung future where microsoft could have a linux kernel.. ;) | 01:39 | |
| derf | I can see some far-flung future where they're bankrupt. | 01:40 |
| benson | In that case, it's an interesting question. Without Linux kernel, either HURD would be completed by now, or one/several BSDs would have taken off big. | 01:40 |
| benson | But w/o MS... who knows? | 01:40 |
| lbt | pointless speculation | 01:40 |
| lcuk | or something new wouldv emerged | 01:40 |
| derf | The BSDs had their shot. | 01:40 |
| derf | They existed long before Linux did. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | of course its pointless lbt, its friday night, i have beer | 01:40 |
| lbt | unless you know who's running the Matrix and where the checkpoints are stored | 01:40 |
| zakkm | Nokia-N800-43-7:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/mer | 01:41 |
| zakkm | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/mer failed | 01:41 |
| lbt | is that how they made was that groundhog day | 01:41 |
| lcuk | derf, sometimes you overlook the things you need | 01:41 |
| benson | Sure, the BSDs existed before people wanted a free UNIX on gazillions of cheap, internet-connected PCs. | 01:41 |
| benson | And it didn't take off... | 01:41 |
| derf | lcuk: Like beer? | 01:41 |
| lbt | beer doesn't take off | 01:41 |
| * lcuk doesnt overlook it | 01:41 | |
| benson | You could blame them, or you could blame the lack of widespread internet+PCs. | 01:42 |
| derf | The computer industry was much smaller, sure, but you know everyone at universities has had a network for a long time. | 01:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles waves at Jaffa. | 01:43 | |
| benson | I'm more inclined to suppose Linux beat them, as conditions for free UNIX proliferation appeared, through luck than any serious improvement. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna have to take the weekend to wait and ponder. | 01:43 |
| lbt | Tim BL made Linux succesful | 01:43 |
| benson | Without Linus, I think they'd have had a shot. | 01:43 |
| benson | s/us/ux/ | 01:44 |
| infobot | benson meant: Without Linux, I think they'd have had a shot. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, considered running for Council? | 01:44 |
| derf | Well, I won't get into a GPL vs. BSD license debate. | 01:44 |
| lbt | aw | 01:44 |
| derf | Because I don't actually know how much that mattered. | 01:44 |
| benson | (Although it follows.) | 01:44 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: No way, don't have time. | 01:44 |
| derf | But that's also a factor you can't ignore. | 01:44 |
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| lbt | forcing people to share and making greed harder helped Linux | 01:45 |
| derf | But it didn't help HURD. | 01:45 |
| lbt | which counters the university arguement | 01:45 |
| lbt | s/uem/um/ | 01:46 |
| lcuk | was it hurd that was started/in progress when amigas were going strong | 01:46 |
| infobot | lbt meant: which counters the university argument | 01:46 |
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| zakkm | omg this is stupid ;p | 01:46 |
| lbt | your Mac? | 01:46 |
| derf | My argument was not that innovation comes from universities, but that a large proportion of the industry _did_ have cheap (free to them) net connected PCs. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | zakkm, what is? | 01:46 |
| lbt | indeed - and yet it still didn't happen | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | thats cos universities are lazy places :D | 01:47 |
| benson | What didn't happen? Universities didn't run BSD? | 01:47 |
| lbt | you need bored people on friday nights with beer on irc | 01:47 |
| lbt | no, the explosion of Linux didn't happen | 01:47 |
| benson | Bored people with Dr. Pepper are good, too. | 01:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles has got the new gadget withdrawal shakes. | 01:48 | |
| derf | Dr Pepper has no period. | 01:48 |
| zakkm | this ubuntu intall | 01:48 |
| lbt | Dr Pepper must be a man then | 01:48 |
| * lbt ducks | 01:48 | |
| lcuk | in 2000 when i was last in edu, a linux install was barely more than a console, there was quick simple copyable windows 9x or nt available | 01:48 |
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| benson | True, but I would care why? | 01:48 |
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| zakkm | dr pepper runs :) (only drinks drpepper, for pop that is) | 01:48 |
| benson | Abusing trademarks is fun! | 01:48 |
| lcuk | what do you think ppl used | 01:48 |
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| derf | Okay, dinner is over. Enough time wasting. | 01:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, fountain pens? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:49 |
| lbt | yep - night all... GeneralAntilles bugzilla? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | derf :) its fun sometimes, have a good evening | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, context? | 01:49 |
| lbt | and don't hold your breath for 2-column - it's bloody hard! | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, it's there, isn't it? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I created it a few days ago. | 01:49 |
| lbt | oh, expected an email or something | 01:50 |
| lcuk | lbt, the missus took me shopping tonight, its braindraining, no wonder you play with nokia whilst aimlessly wandering around | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Shopper | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, nah, not that organized. ;) | 01:50 |
| lbt | :D | 01:50 |
| lbt | not from you - from it | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, let me know if you want some more stuff. | 01:50 |
| lcuk | jake has the right idea: straight for the toys | 01:50 |
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| zakkm | Nokia-N800-43-7:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/mer | 01:51 |
| zakkm | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/mer failed | 01:51 |
| zakkm | why cant i mount it? | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, you'll get one once somebody files a bug. ;) | 01:51 |
| zakkm | proper linux ext3 , and /mnt/mer exists | 01:51 |
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| benson | mount -t ext3 ... | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you load the modules? | 01:51 |
| lbt | woohoo - shopper is perfect | 01:51 |
| benson | Load the kernel modules? | 01:52 |
| zakkm | oh | 01:52 |
| zakkm | that could do it | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I guess it's time to retire to a nice place in the Caribbean. | 01:52 |
| lbt | somewhere more snowy I think... | 01:52 |
| lcuk | jaffa :) | 01:52 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: someone had to go first... | 01:52 |
| zakkm | file exists, when i do insmod? | 01:53 |
| * qwerty12_N800 grins gleefully at the idea of nomination | 01:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800's gonna nominate Darius. | 01:53 |
| * Jaffa hopes baloo will stand again | 01:54 | |
| benson | zakkm: means the module's loaded. | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 01:54 |
| * Jaffa gets dneary to hack the electoral db | 01:54 | |
| zakkm | mkdir: cannot create directory '/mnt/jaunty': File exists | 01:54 |
| zakkm | Nokia-N800-43-7:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/jaunty -o noatime | 01:54 |
| zakkm | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/jaunty failed | 01:54 |
| * lbt is really going | 01:55 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | -t exists for a reason ;) | 01:55 |
| zakkm | oo just redid mkfs.ext | 01:55 |
| zakkm | that worked | 01:55 |
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| zakkm | now transfer time :) | 01:55 |
| zakkm | sweet its sending | 01:56 |
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| * b-man is back | 01:56 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, did you see my post about the puppy, you were around when it first arrived - how was the buzz about it | 01:56 |
| zakkm | b-man: when i unzipped the .tar .. it ggave me a 480.9mb gzip file | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, context? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | puppy robot | 01:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles missed the post. | 01:57 | |
| benson | The Nokia tablet-headed puppy bot? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27178 | 01:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, we had decided that I was going to attend the Summit as one last year. :P | 01:57 |
| benson | I think it's actually got an N810 these days. | 01:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i got talking to someone about robotics earlier | 01:58 |
| lcuk | hence the post.. | 01:58 |
| b-man | zakkm: you might need to unzip that using gzip - allthough it shuld have done that automaticly | 01:58 |
| zakkm | ohh ill do on tablet then | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There wasn't really all that much buzz. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just another research project that'd never really see the light of day. | 01:58 |
| lcuk | that would explain it | 01:59 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:59 |
| * lcuk is glad some research projects exist outside the lab | 01:59 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 remembers that N800 controlled "voip robot" | 01:59 | |
| benson | Maybe only N800. | 02:00 |
| zakkm | b-man: what command should i use to unzip the tar properly? | 02:00 |
| benson | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/nokia-decapitates-tablet-puppy-upgrades-to-n800/ | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it called you up and made mechanical noises down the line at you? | 02:00 |
| zakkm | just tar filename.tar ? | 02:00 |
| b-man | zakkm: gzip -d? | 02:00 |
| zakkm | so i do tar __.tar .. then gzip -d on the gzip file? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | im gonna get me some robot kit | 02:01 |
| benson | zakkm: tar xf filename.tar | 02:01 |
| benson | tar xzf filename.tar.gz | 02:01 |
| benson | (or .tgz, same thing.) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | right click, goto "send to" then click "compressed folder" | 02:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles files some bugs for lbt. | 02:02 | |
| b-man | zakkm: tar -zvxf filename.tar.gz gzip -d filename | 02:03 |
| lcuk | with a pipe | 02:03 |
| b-man | tar -zvxf filename.tar.gz | gzip -d filename ;) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | tar -cp "$FOLDER" | gzip -c > "$FULLNAME" | 02:03 |
| zakkm | lcuk: is that to me? | 02:04 |
| b-man | yes | 02:04 |
| zakkm | didnt work ;p | 02:04 |
| lcuk | thats part what my ./kcup.sh does every time i want to .tar.gz my source folder | 02:04 |
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| zakkm | oh your doing it other way ;p | 02:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that could be simplified, lcuk: tar czf "$FULLNAME" "$FOLDER" | 02:05 |
| lcuk | tars the folder, pipes the contents into gzip and sends the output to fullname | 02:05 |
| lcuk | probably can lol, thats the first time ive managed to understand it though! | 02:06 |
| b-man | hehe | 02:06 |
| * lcuk saw it as gobbledegoop until this evening | 02:06 | |
| b-man | lol XD | 02:06 |
| zakkm | how long should this unzip take you think? | 02:07 |
| b-man | 5-10 minutes | 02:07 |
| zakkm | oh not bad | 02:07 |
| zakkm | is 2gb enough for linux partition ? | 02:08 |
| b-man | shure - but 3+ is recommended for gnome ;) | 02:09 |
| zakkm | well i want to use e17, but i mean would the unzip stop cause its more than 2gb? | 02:09 |
| zakkm | dont want gnome | 02:09 |
| b-man | no | 02:10 |
| b-man | it should not stop, unless you run out of space | 02:10 |
| zakkm | thats what i mean | 02:11 |
| b-man | witch is unlikely | 02:11 |
| zakkm | is 2gb enough space | 02:11 |
| b-man | shure | 02:11 |
| zakkm | aweesome | 02:11 |
| b-man | :D | 02:12 |
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| zakkm | hows speed? | 02:12 |
| * Jaffa wants to give sjgadsby double-thanks for http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=267719&postcount=432 | 02:13 | |
| b-man | it's pritty fast, as long as you have some swap :) | 02:13 |
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| * b-man uses gnome and it's verry responssive :) | 02:14 | |
| zakkm | wow its done already | 02:14 |
| zakkm | okay :) | 02:14 |
| zakkm | so all the linux folders are in /mnt/jaunty | 02:15 |
| zakkm | now i do swap and bootmenu? | 02:15 |
| b-man | yes | 02:15 |
| zakkm | mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:15 |
| zakkm | should be 0p1... | 02:16 |
| zakkm | ahh | 02:16 |
| zakkm | 0p3 , not 1p3 | 02:16 |
| zakkm | i think? | 02:16 |
| b-man | yup | 02:16 |
| b-man | but also, remember to read the release notes for the rootstrap - there are some pritty important stuff you need to do first before booting;) | 02:17 |
| pupnik | i want to become the first man on earth to get laid | 02:17 |
| b-man | lol - too late XD | 02:17 |
| lcuk | arent you a bit late | 02:17 |
| pupnik | by holding up a card reading "mnt fsck?" to a girl at a bar | 02:17 |
| b-man | lol | 02:17 |
| lcuk | you would prolly still be late | 02:17 |
| pupnik | you might be right | 02:18 |
| lcuk | havent those commands come through from the '60s | 02:18 |
| b-man | XD | 02:18 |
| Jaffa | Wow, I think I might've got through to danramos (or, at least got a thanks ;-)) | 02:18 |
| guysoft42 | hey, i have installed install-tools.deb to flash my system to internal flash. but i upgraded the system and it wiped the bootloarder, how can i restore it? | 02:18 |
| b-man | ouch.. you might need to reflash | 02:19 |
| guysoft42 | b-man, reflash the initramfs? or the system? | 02:20 |
| guysoft42 | i b-man i can boot to the internal flash | 02:20 |
| b-man | system reflash, and yes you can | 02:20 |
| * b-man needs to go now, bye all | 02:22 | |
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| guysoft42 | b-man the system is fine.. i its just i carn't access the cloned system | 02:22 |
| guysoft42 | er - anyone else? how can one install the bootloader? | 02:23 |
| zakkm | sweet | 02:23 |
| zakkm | b-man: the bootmenu didnt add ubuntu? | 02:24 |
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| zakkm | b-man: i made the ubuntu.item and did refresh_bootmenu.d and went through it went fine but on reboot, theres no ubuntu choice | 02:31 |
| guysoft42 | um, what does "no dropbear in rootfs" mean when regarding the ssh keys? | 02:33 |
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| lcuk | car analogy for the n900 >>>> http://www.ejb.com/video/19972/The_stinger.html | 02:35 |
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| tank-man | guysoft42, i think it means it will make new keys everytime you start dropbear from the bootmenu | 02:36 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, its not the end of the world then, i thought it might need every boot | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I've gotten Thanks! before, too, but it doesn't seem to mean much. | 02:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "maemo and Freemantle" | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean . . . really. | 02:44 |
| zakkm | ahh b-man it wont boot | 02:44 |
| zakkm | pivot root and start /sbin/init.. | 02:45 |
| zakkm | it stays at | 02:45 |
| * lcuk ponders | 02:46 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Council declaration? ;-) | 02:46 |
| lcuk | nahhh jaffa, im tired. mentally drained. | 02:47 |
| * Jaffa is pondering sleep (especially since reading http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2009/02/10-tricks-to-ge.html) | 02:47 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, damn good ideas! | 02:48 |
| lcuk | best being the books :) i havent finished the niven book i got a few months back | 02:48 |
| lcuk | mainly because the part i was upto was extracted from one of his short stories from years ago so ive already read it | 02:49 |
| * lcuk doesnt like rereading most books | 02:49 | |
| zakkm | would anyone know how to fix my "booting ubuntu .. enabling ondemand governor, pushing the bt address, setting time from tu.. pivot root and starting /sbin/init | 02:50 |
| zakkm | all that happens instantly.. and freezes at the last "pivot root and starting /sbin/init" | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, dunno never tried ubuntu on tablet | 02:54 |
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| andre__ | everybody writing Fremantle with 3 e must buy me icecream. | 02:55 |
| Pavlov | lol | 02:55 |
| * lcuk cant wait for the open source freemantle application to come out ;) | 02:56 | |
| Jaffa | Similarly, I pondered a "$GOOD_THING" referendum for Council members | 02:56 |
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| Jaffa | "Bacon/ice-cream/free tablets for life" | 02:57 |
| andre__ | lcuk! icecream! now! | 02:57 |
| Jaffa | Reckon we could get that through? | 02:57 |
| Jaffa | Freemantle makes me start thinking of freemasons. | 02:57 |
| lcuk | andre__, ill try to get you some bacon icecream at the summit | 02:57 |
| * Jaffa saw baconaisse on The Daily Show (and, not forgetting, baconaisse *lite*) | 02:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa! | 02:58 |
| lcuk | haha | 02:58 |
| andre__ | lcuk, cool. i'm also fine with either cucumber, cheese or fish flavoured icecream | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It all becomes clear now. . . . | 02:58 |
| Jaffa | Oh shit. I've just opened wikipedia. | 02:58 |
| Jaffa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasons looks interesting | 02:58 |
| lcuk | jaffa :) did you see xkcd - its a very interesting kindle fact | 02:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles sees through Nokia's Freemason plotting. | 02:59 | |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/548/ | 02:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yup :) | 02:59 |
| lcuk | is the os on kindle hackable? | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something makes me think this doesn't belong on Planet http://www.libertatia.org/blog/?p=94 | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, anything's hackable. | 02:59 |
| lcuk | excellent | 03:00 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: it may not be feasible before the heat death of the universe, howeve.r | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really only a function of time. | 03:00 |
| lcuk | http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/hacking-kindle-part-3-root-shell-and.html | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Additional resources can assist with the time factor, though. | 03:00 |
| andre__ | hmm. spanish. another interesting language. i should drink a few beer so i can understand it | 03:00 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: cool | 03:01 |
| lcuk | makes liqbase a bit more interesting jaffa - at its core its a greyscale engine | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if you think the tablet's refresh rate is a problem, I don't think you're gonna enjoy eink very much. | 03:01 |
| lcuk | i dont thought gen | 03:01 |
| lcuk | i see eink as quite reasonable | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i was never against greyscale | 03:02 |
| zakkm | ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p2" | 03:02 |
| zakkm | that would be mmcblk0p2 right? | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you actually used one? | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "OK, let's watch the screen redraw." | 03:02 |
| lcuk | no, refresh is about 2fps | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i know how bad it is | 03:03 |
| lcuk | and besides gan, its not touchscreen, so i dont have to try to make it kinetic | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you really know how bad it is? | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because, really, it's bad. | 03:03 |
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| lfelipe | fck | 03:05 |
| lfelipe | planet.maemo caught a completely unrelated post from my blog :( | 03:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles thumbs gleefully for karma. :P | 03:08 | |
| lfelipe | even I'd like to give me a thumbs down for that post being there | 03:08 |
| lfelipe | problem is, not my fault hehehe | 03:08 |
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| Jaffa | lfelipe: by rating it you'll get karma, and your overall karma won't suffer for the -ves ;-) | 03:09 |
| Jaffa | Thumb it, then get it out of your feed ;-) | 03:09 |
| lfelipe | fck | 03:10 |
| lfelipe | it kinda is my fault | 03:10 |
| lfelipe | :( | 03:10 |
| lfelipe | well, it seems the rss feed got screwed by the wordpress update | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still say we blame X-Fade. :P | 03:10 |
| Jaffa | Right. Bed time. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else tired of seeing fat stomachs on itT? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, Jaffa. | 03:11 |
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| lfelipe | the rss url got changed, I can certainly blame X-Fade for that :P | 03:13 |
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| andre__ | lfelipe, i already gave you all "thumbs down" i had on planet maemo. you're welcome :-P | 03:18 |
| lfelipe | heheh, thank god it wasn't any kind of porn or anything :P | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that'd probably have netted you karma. ;) | 03:23 |
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| zakkm | wow is that vmware thing real? | 03:24 |
| lcuk | mmmmmm close enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaconsfield,_Western_Australia | 03:25 |
| lcuk | theres bacon in fremantle | 03:25 |
| zakkm | omg ubuntu boots but at end of bootsplash, it "freezes" | 03:27 |
| zakkm | end of progress bar | 03:28 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, you could organize a bacon deathmatch for maemo summit | 03:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:44 |
| zakkm | for a bootmenu.d item ... mmcblk1p2 ... refers to internal or external ( n800 ) | 03:45 |
| lcuk | im turnin in for the night anyway, gnite folks | 03:45 |
| zakkm | night lcuk | 03:45 |
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| * benson better practice his uberleet Bacon Fraggin' Gun skillz. | 03:57 | |
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| zakkm | benson; did you try ubuntu jaunty? | 03:59 |
| benson | No | 04:00 |
| zakkm | :( cant get it to boot fully | 04:00 |
| fireun | did you use socks? | 04:01 |
| fireun | sorry, that wasnt helpful. | 04:01 |
| zakkm | socks? | 04:01 |
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| fireun | http://i.gizmodo.com/5161421/dell-mini-9-is-down-to-200-for-one-day-only | 06:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fireun, I might just do it. | 07:07 |
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| fireun | GeneralAntilles: so tempting, I know | 07:11 |
| fireun | I just.cant.justify.it | 07:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I think I can. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need an x86 machine | 07:11 |
| fireun | ubuntu AND osx, so sweet. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I was looking at a barebones Atom rig (maybe an MSI nettop) | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | But this is just a bit more useful. | 07:12 |
| fireun | I've got the trio, AND two nokias, so.. I'm flush. | 07:12 |
| fireun | and at only 186+ram, a golden deal | 07:12 |
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| fireun | wasnt there someone about to buy a laptop? | 07:20 |
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| AStorm | I already have a portable desktop :) | 07:20 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | *ordered* | 07:28 |
| fireun | you get my address right? | 07:33 |
| AStorm | ;) | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, sure, I'll ship you the box with the cardboard and duct tape "PSthree" I got as a gag gift last year inside. :P | 07:35 |
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| fireun | hah, no. | 07:38 |
| Macer | i love the police chase where the guy corrects himself like 3 times before they get him | 07:48 |
| Macer | awesome driving | 07:48 |
| * AndrewFBlack wonders if android market apps will ever be available for Nitdroid | 07:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Aren't they signed or something? | 07:50 |
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| AStorm | signature != encryption | 07:52 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViO-00nYaE&feature=related | 07:52 |
| Macer | HAHAHAHAHA!! | 07:52 |
| Macer | talk about picking the right vehicle for a getaway! | 07:53 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, when is talk.maemo.org supose to come about? | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, sometime around the time the new style goes live. | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~1 month, I guess. | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie's kinda gone dark | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and he's the one working on the templates, sooo. . . . | 07:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah, I gave up on Minimalist theme a long time ago he quit talking to me right after I gave him the first version of the one there now | 07:55 |
| AndrewFBlack | I know reggie runs like 5 forums sites | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT's the only one with any hits. | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | He gave some numbers when we were talking servers itT makes up, like, 90% of the server usage. | 07:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah I notice alot of stuff on http://micropctalk.com/forums/ also | 07:58 |
| AndrewFBlack | no where near as much talk as on itt but some | 07:59 |
| b-man | hello, AndrewFBlack :) | 08:02 |
| AndrewFBlack | I wonder who uses more bandwidth all of itT or Qole on my server lol | 08:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey B-man | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why doesn't he just use Garage? | 08:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | I don't think garage will let him upload entire Easy Debian Project | 08:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | or allow him to use around a TB of bandwidth a month | 08:04 |
| b-man | AndrewFBlack: more like me, qole, or itt - i have a repository + ubuntu rootstrap + gallery XD | 08:05 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhn7rkOn8Q&feature=related | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think there are limits. | 08:05 |
| Macer | ouch! | 08:05 |
| AndrewFBlack | b-man yeah I havn't even been watching your bandwidth usage | 08:05 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, I would think there would be some kind of limit | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's paying for the bandwidth. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, though. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade'd be able to say. | 08:06 |
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| AndrewFBlack | b-man you only used 10th of what qole used this month | 08:07 |
| b-man | how much did he use??? | 08:07 |
| AndrewFBlack | only about 300GB this month | 08:07 |
| AndrewFBlack | but still 2 days left lol | 08:08 |
| b-man | 0_o | 08:08 |
| AndrewFBlack | really I have no problem with garage all my projects are there and not my server | 08:08 |
| AndrewFBlack | you had about 30GB downloaded this month | 08:09 |
| b-man | lol- he copyed my idea for a repository XD | 08:09 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol | 08:09 |
| b-man | http://qole.maemobox.org/repository | 08:09 |
| AndrewFBlack | you shouldn't have told him | 08:11 |
| AndrewFBlack | I set stskeeps an account for mer but I don't think he ever put anything up on it | 08:12 |
| b-man | hehe - he allwase copys someones ideas XD | 08:12 |
| b-man | Stskeeps has his own servers | 08:12 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah but he asked about using some of my bandwidth to share the load some | 08:13 |
| b-man | i even have an account on his - but it's for mer development only | 08:13 |
| b-man | How much server space do you have btw? :) | 08:14 |
| AndrewFBlack | about 700GB of Hard Drive space | 08:15 |
| AndrewFBlack | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/02/vmware-for-mobile.html god help us we will get 100 new how do I put Windows CE on my tablet threads now | 08:16 |
| b-man | lol | 08:16 |
| AndrewFBlack | I was hoping not to see a million blogs about that | 08:16 |
| * b-man would not mind trying it out though :) | 08:17 | |
| AndrewFBlack | I wouldn't mind trying it either but I don't see it happening lol | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the easy answer is: "Call VMWare" | 08:17 |
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| b-man16 | i'm back, my tablet crashed :P | 08:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | wb my tablet wont boot right now, well wont boot anything but android lol | 08:23 |
| b-man16 | hehe :) | 08:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | I would flash back to maemo but I'm just to last lol | 08:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | lasy | 08:27 |
| b-man16 | :) | 08:27 |
| * b-man16 is still waiting on nitboot :) | 08:28 | |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah wonder if he is ever going to get around to that | 08:28 |
| AndrewFBlack | I don't thikn solca has even updated android in a while | 08:28 |
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| b-man16 | yeah :( | 08:29 |
| AndrewFBlack | I mainly install Nitdroid just to see my artwork I did for it | 08:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | I still think he should have used the boot screen I made with the android robot holding a n810 | 08:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/Images/android800x480v8.png I just love that | 08:31 |
| b-man16 | sweet :) | 08:31 |
| b-man16 | awsome homepage btw :) | 08:32 |
| AndrewFBlack | thanks | 08:33 |
| AndrewFBlack | just another one of my uncompleted projects | 08:33 |
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| b-man16 | hello neatojones :) | 08:39 |
| neatojones | hey | 08:39 |
| neatojones | How's it going, b-man16? | 08:40 |
| b-man16 | pritty well, i've updated tablet-wireless and tablet-network-setup :) | 08:41 |
| Macer | hm... downloading the hd heroes.. i stopped watching half way through the first season | 08:41 |
| neatojones | nice. | 08:41 |
| neatojones | I just reinstalled Mer. | 08:41 |
| Macer | heh | 08:42 |
| Macer | does it have 2 menus? :) | 08:42 |
| neatojones | To try and setup E17 on it from a fresh install. | 08:42 |
| Macer | haven't use enlightenment in years | 08:42 |
| neatojones | Ran into dep probs galore due to Mer package conflicts | 08:42 |
| * b-man16 trys to compile dalvik | 08:42 | |
| neatojones | I've been talking to raster to see if I can get teh keyboard going in the Illume module | 08:42 |
| Macer | the new fray cd kinda sucks | 08:43 |
| neatojones | no such luck yet | 08:43 |
| neatojones | Macer, the Illume module is pretty sweet | 08:43 |
| neatojones | I like it better than Hildon | 08:43 |
| neatojones | check out the pics I posted on the screenshots part of ITT | 08:44 |
| Macer | running on an n800? | 08:44 |
| neatojones | on a n810 | 08:44 |
| neatojones | yeah | 08:44 |
| neatojones | the keyboard I'm especially interested in because it's supposed to be pretty nice. | 08:45 |
| Macer | i need an n810 for the qwerty | 08:45 |
| neatojones | magnifies where you press and has auto word correction | 08:45 |
| neatojones | (in e17) | 08:45 |
| Macer | i all but ditched my n800 because my g1 has a qwerty | 08:45 |
| Macer | :) | 08:45 |
| neatojones | anyway. Was working with raster last night to see if I could get 'er going. He was still building last I knew. | 08:46 |
| neatojones | understandable | 08:46 |
| neatojones | how's the diff in screen size? | 08:46 |
| neatojones | nice to have 1 dev that does it all I bet | 08:46 |
| Macer | i dunno.. like 20% | 08:46 |
| Macer | maybe 15 | 08:46 |
| Macer | it's pretty close to the n800 screen if you ask me | 08:47 |
| Macer | i rooted it | 08:47 |
| Macer | speaking ofwhich.. i just installed the modded rc33 | 08:47 |
| Macer | it should have a2dp support :) i should try it out | 08:47 |
| Macer | people are charging for dumb apps on the android market now | 08:47 |
| Macer | someone is charging $8 for a gui interface to iptable scripts | 08:48 |
| Macer | wtf? it's like apple shit | 08:48 |
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| * neatojones gets frustrated because firefox keeps closing in his desktop. | 08:49 | |
| Macer | what is the desktop running? | 08:49 |
| neatojones | pubuntu | 08:49 |
| Macer | p? | 08:49 |
| neatojones | it has ram issues. | 08:49 |
| Macer | wtf is p? :) | 08:49 |
| neatojones | but, I just adopted it from a friend | 08:49 |
| neatojones | say it out loud... | 08:50 |
| neatojones | it's regular ubuntu. | 08:50 |
| Macer | so what is the p for? public? | 08:50 |
| Macer | heh | 08:50 |
| neatojones | no, for "poo" | 08:50 |
| Macer | HAHA | 08:50 |
| Macer | run debian | 08:50 |
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| neatojones | the system is crapping out | 08:51 |
| Macer | kubuntu ran like shit on my artigo | 08:51 |
| Macer | i think it is because of the video chipset tho | 08:51 |
| Macer | xp is running great on it :) | 08:51 |
| neatojones | I've Oc'ed it to and athlon XP 3200 from 2500 | 08:51 |
| Macer | it uses a unichrome | 08:51 |
| Macer | ouch | 08:51 |
| Macer | do you have it in a freezer or something? | 08:51 |
| neatojones | the RAM has serious problems | 08:51 |
| neatojones | no 3 fans blowing on it | 08:52 |
| Macer | i would guess so :) | 08:52 |
| neatojones | running 42C | 08:52 |
| Macer | that's not too bad | 08:52 |
| neatojones | cooler than the non oc'ed | 08:52 |
| Macer | my athlons run around 60 | 08:52 |
| Macer | but that's a pretty stressed system | 08:52 |
| neatojones | yep...actually she's running 40 right now... but only gets up to 43 on heavy load | 08:53 |
| neatojones | she's got some serious fannage going on. | 08:53 |
| Macer | sounds like an airplane taking off huh? :) | 08:53 |
| neatojones | ran at 52 to 60 prior to overclock and fans | 08:53 |
| Macer | i have 8 fans in my fileserver | 08:53 |
| neatojones | yep | 08:53 |
| neatojones | it desperately needs RAM | 08:53 |
| Macer | 9 if you include the video card that i need to replace with a cheap heat sink only one | 08:54 |
| neatojones | I have to specify the RAM to prevent errors | 08:54 |
| Macer | get some ram for it then ;) | 08:54 |
| neatojones | it's a pile. Gonna get a new one in a few months. | 08:54 |
| neatojones | not worth the money. | 08:54 |
| Macer | :) | 08:54 |
| neatojones | if i find some...then we'll talk | 08:55 |
| neatojones | :D | 08:55 |
| Macer | i should see if i can get $10 for my old dual p3 | 08:55 |
| neatojones | the grub is screwed up though | 08:55 |
| neatojones | it had an xp partition, and I have to hit e at grub and change it from (hd1,0) to hd(0,0) | 08:56 |
| neatojones | not sure how to fix it permanently though | 08:56 |
| Macer | edit the grub.conf | 08:56 |
| Macer | bbl.. have to work a little more on this artigo.. i have like.. 10 usb things hooked up to it | 08:57 |
| Macer | i'm trying to find its breaking point haha | 08:57 |
| neatojones | it's been a while since I've messed with them...used to konw it inside and out. | 08:57 |
| neatojones | k | 08:57 |
| neatojones | later | 08:57 |
| Macer | have to find out why this monitor isn't going 1400x1050 too | 08:57 |
| Macer | wtf :) plug n play my ass | 08:57 |
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| AStorm | probably faulty EDID | 08:59 |
| AStorm | or gfx card doesn't support this mode | 08:59 |
| Macer | the gfx card does | 08:59 |
| Macer | it worked in kubuntu at that res | 08:59 |
| Macer | xp doesn't seem to be accepting it too well | 08:59 |
| AStorm | Radeon? | 09:01 |
| Macer | unichrome | 09:02 |
| Macer | monitor is a westinghouse | 09:02 |
| AStorm | oh, can't help you with VIA | 09:02 |
| Macer | yah | 09:02 |
| Macer | artigo is all via chipset | 09:02 |
| Macer | via everything.. i think it's pretty awesome tho for what it is | 09:03 |
| AStorm | about the only good thing Via has right now is Envy24 audio chip | 09:03 |
| Macer | i honestly bet i just have to get some crap driver from westinghouse to get xp to see it for what it is | 09:04 |
| AStorm | and it wasn't theirs in the first place ;P | 09:04 |
| Macer | neither was the unichrome ;) | 09:04 |
| Macer | or the C7 | 09:04 |
| AStorm | yup | 09:04 |
| Macer | i think everythign via has is acquired | 09:04 |
| AStorm | except chipsets | 09:05 |
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| AStorm | poor S3 - made one of the best gfx cards at the time | 09:06 |
| Macer | the virge? | 09:12 |
| Macer | heh | 09:12 |
| Macer | ugh this monitor thing is driving me nuts | 09:12 |
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| Macer | i have to figure out how to get it to its native but i have shit goign on in the background.. i was just going to try to delete the drivers for the video and monitors and restart and see if it picks it up | 09:13 |
| Macer | this artigo wasn't meant for video encoding anywyas.. i think i'll just start up my xp vm on the esx box | 09:13 |
| AStorm | Macer: Savage, not Virge | 09:15 |
| AStorm | although Virge was first 3D accelerated card | 09:15 |
| Macer | never had a savage to tell you the truth | 09:16 |
| AStorm | it was better than TNT2... | 09:17 |
| Macer | i had a tnt2 ;) | 09:17 |
| Macer | i had a couple voodoo2s | 09:17 |
| Macer | when that had came out | 09:18 |
| Macer | who bought the physX? | 09:18 |
| Macer | AMD? | 09:18 |
| bef0rd | ati | 09:18 |
| bef0rd | erm | 09:18 |
| bef0rd | nvidia | 09:18 |
| Macer | oh | 09:18 |
| Macer | do they actually use it for anything? :) | 09:18 |
| bef0rd | I think so | 09:18 |
| AStorm | almost | 09:18 |
| AStorm | that idea is extremely old really | 09:18 |
| Macer | having a physics co-processor? | 09:19 |
| bef0rd | I remember my card installed some driverthing called physx | 09:19 |
| Macer | i don't understand why they made a whole card for it | 09:19 |
| Macer | they should have just sold the tech to nvidia to begin with | 09:19 |
| Macer | there were like 2 games that used it and one came with the card | 09:19 |
| AStorm | because they tried to keep on the market... or maybe some executive meddling was the cause | 09:20 |
| AStorm | like, execs trying to drop shares | 09:20 |
| Macer | i thought it was a good ida | 09:21 |
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| Macer | idea too | 09:21 |
| AStorm | it's not really - I'd prefer having the engine in the CPU | 09:21 |
| AStorm | SSE 5 anyone? :> | 09:22 |
| Macer | heh | 09:22 |
| Macer | i7 physX EXTREME | 09:23 |
| Macer | you ahve to make it sound cool like that | 09:23 |
| Macer | this esx box just doesn't seem to be giving me the power i'm looking for | 09:25 |
| Macer | wtf | 09:25 |
| Macer | it has a 2.8GHz core2duo and i'm getting like 700MHz out of it | 09:25 |
| Macer | i think i should check the bios on it and see if there are dumb things set | 09:25 |
| Macer | like "throttle down whenever possible when not running a microsoft product YES/NO" | 09:26 |
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| Macer | it has to be stepping the cpu down | 09:26 |
| AStorm | it's called cpufreq | 09:26 |
| AStorm | enable the acpi version | 09:26 |
| Macer | is that an esx thing or a bios thing? | 09:27 |
| AStorm | ? | 09:27 |
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| AStorm | linux kernel | 09:27 |
| Macer | i'm not running linux on it (well.. technically) | 09:27 |
| Macer | i'm running esx on it | 09:27 |
| Macer | i will just see if i can turn it off in the bios and bitchslap the electric bill running the cpu full speed the whole time | 09:28 |
| Macer | if you were to see my esx VM speeds right now.. it makes no sense | 09:28 |
| Macer | and i tweaked esx the best i can.. i have to disable power saving crap in the bios :) bbl | 09:29 |
| Macer | actually.. crap ican't do it right now | 09:29 |
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| Macer | argh! wtf :) | 09:31 |
| Macer | i think i know what it is | 09:31 |
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| RST38h | moo pupnik | 10:01 |
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| pupnik_ | morning | 10:06 |
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| robink | Good morning. | 10:18 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:37 |
| RST38h | moorning, jaffa | 10:40 |
| * Jaffa hasn't triggered a torrent of other candidates in the last 7 hours | 10:41 | |
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| RST38h | is there a list? | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | Sure. | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa. | 10:46 |
| * RST38h read "hasn't" as "has". Getting old or something. | 10:49 | |
| RST38h | oh well | 10:49 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:50 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, any things you want into 0.9 before monday release? | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | nothing I can think of | 10:54 |
| StsN800 | k | 10:55 |
| keesj | Jaffa: it was sent only to the community list. | 10:59 |
| keesj | how many people are on that list? | 11:00 |
| StsN800 | i'm personally satisfied with 770 wifi support in this release | 11:00 |
| Jaffa | keesj: as the nominations are supposed to be, doesn't seem right spamming -dev & -users | 11:00 |
| StsN800 | call for nominees at iTT? ;) | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, Planet, too. | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, they're all busy trying to get it up over nokia's apparent lack of silence over the N900 | 11:02 |
| * Myrtti yawns | 11:03 | |
| StsN800 | lack of silence? :P | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | Eurgh. | 11:03 |
| * qwerty12 learns to type | 11:03 | |
| * Myrtti rubs her eyes. I need coffee | 11:04 | |
| Jaffa | Take a blurry photo of an N810W, flip it horizontally, send it to Engadget with: "this features an OMAP3430, capable of HD video playback; a 5MP camera; HSPA; GPS and a revamped Maemo UI" and they'lll be happy | 11:04 |
| StsN800 | i swear, there has to be some computational ability in the rumour mills itt has once in a while.. | 11:04 |
| * Jaffa realises he left the camera off his absolutely-definitely-getting list to danramos | 11:05 | |
| Jaffa | Myrtti: nice hot strong cup of tea and a bacon butty: perfect start to a Saturday | 11:05 |
| StsN800 | 'Proof of turing-completeness of internet rumour mills' | 11:05 |
| StsN800 | baconaise bun? | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | I'll have rye bread with leek and cottage cheese, flushed with good café au lait | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | Errr, no ;-) | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | Myrtti: sounds good, but not enough bacon | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | Jaffa: will frankfurters do? | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | StsN800: The worst thing about baconaisse was when Jon Stewart dunked a blueberry sausage-in-a-pancake in it, and took a bite. That /can't/ be kosher, surely (assuming either of them do contain any meat) | 11:08 |
| Macer | awesome | 11:08 |
| Macer | damnit | 11:11 |
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| StsN800 | Jaffa, yeah, saw:) | 11:13 |
| roope | It's easier to announce something when there's something previously unseen to announce. | 11:17 |
| mavhc | Jaffa: are non food items covered by this kosher? cause that's not food | 11:21 |
| Macer | this esx box is running like absolute shit | 11:21 |
| mavhc | what's with that vmware on maemo thing? | 11:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, like all the remaining details about Fremantle and the RX-51, for instance? | 11:30 |
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| roope | ga: well, yeah. RX-51 especially. | 11:31 |
| roope | Nokia likes to keep the devices secret. | 11:31 |
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| roope | Well, also the new UI. | 11:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, basically everything relevant to end users and consumers. ;) | 11:43 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: so much for the Caribbean. | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, sorry. :( :P | 11:44 |
| roope | ga: basically yes. | 11:47 |
| roope | Nokia likes to keep control of those messages and their marketnig. | 11:47 |
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| udovdh | hello | 12:07 |
| udovdh | I am trying an apt-get install camera | 12:07 |
| udovdh | on my n810 | 12:07 |
| udovdh | the unpacking stalls more or less | 12:07 |
| udovdh | any ideas on how to find out what is wrong? | 12:07 |
| udovdh | ah... it asks stuff on the screen of the n810 | 12:08 |
| udovdh | how usefull if I am using a cli app via ssh | 12:09 |
| AStorm | heh | 12:09 |
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| udovdh | so I can't ssh in from the other side of the world and use apt-get | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | x11vnc | 12:10 |
| udovdh | or is there a way around this? | 12:10 |
| udovdh | yes | 12:10 |
| udovdh | but text-mode? | 12:10 |
| udovdh | some switch? (`say yes to anything`) | 12:11 |
| lbt | udovdh: I've come up against that occasionally | 12:12 |
| udovdh | and your fix? | 12:13 |
| lbt | stay on the right side of the world ;) | 12:13 |
| lbt | is it a real issue? | 12:13 |
| lbt | eg bulk installs? | 12:13 |
| lbt | or just a niggle? | 12:13 |
| udovdh | just one occasion | 12:14 |
| udovdh | I recently got my n810 | 12:14 |
| lbt | maemo-select-menu-location is the app that is called I think | 12:14 |
| lbt | during the debian postinst | 12:14 |
| udovdh | and found out that the cli environment needs work | 12:14 |
| udovdh | the n810 is now charging | 12:15 |
| udovdh | so the screen could stay on | 12:15 |
| udovdh | instead it goes black | 12:15 |
| udovdh | (needs configuring I guess?) | 12:15 |
| lbt | there's a switch IIRC | 12:15 |
| lbt | control panel/display/ | 12:15 |
| lbt | Display stays lit : never/when charging | 12:16 |
| lbt | :D | 12:16 |
| udovdh | indeed | 12:16 |
| udovdh | thanks | 12:16 |
| lbt | np | 12:16 |
| udovdh | about removing navicore: | 12:17 |
| udovdh | just delete all files with that name in the path? | 12:17 |
| udovdh | dpkg doesn't know about navicore... | 12:17 |
| lbt | mmm | 12:17 |
| lbt | in general I wouldn't advise rm | 12:18 |
| udovdh | I don't use navicore | 12:18 |
| udovdh | I am trying navit | 12:18 |
| udovdh | and I can reflash when disaster occurs | 12:18 |
| AStorm | it's called "map" | 12:18 |
| udovdh | or tar before removing | 12:18 |
| udovdh | oh.. will dig into it more | 12:19 |
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| udovdh | ah indeed; thanks | 12:19 |
| lbt | dpkg-query -S navicore | 12:20 |
| udovdh | dpkg -r map | 12:21 |
| lbt | there is also maemo-mapper | 12:21 |
| udovdh | I heard about that yes | 12:22 |
| udovdh | differences? | 12:22 |
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| lbt | pretty good depending on needs | 12:22 |
| udovdh | not installed standard? | 12:22 |
| lbt | no, it's a community app | 12:22 |
| udovdh | navit is more or less a tomtom replacement in progress | 12:22 |
| udovdh | but more flexible etc | 12:22 |
| lbt | interesting | 12:22 |
| lbt | ah, no maps | 12:23 |
| udovdh | osm! | 12:23 |
| udovdh | pretty good, depending on where you are | 12:23 |
| udovdh | and you cna also add to the map | 12:23 |
| udovdh | just drive around with a gps and upload the logs | 12:24 |
| lbt | looks interesting... | 12:25 |
| udovdh | just try it out | 12:25 |
| udovdh | I have it working on an ipaq h2210 | 12:25 |
| udovdh | except for the audio | 12:25 |
| wnd | personally I think maemo-mapper over greatly overrated. it's the best (if not only) option if you want satellite maps, but the UI is awfully slow (as it seems to allocate huge amounts of memory) as soon as you start panning around or zooming in and out. | 12:25 |
| udovdh | and now on the n810 | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: woo! | 12:25 |
| udovdh | ? | 12:25 |
| lbt | he's copying Jaffa ;) | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | See, there's a benefit to declaring first ;-) | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I was going to put (shamelessly plagiarised from Andrew) at the top | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But decided against it. ;) | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Although it's not so much a fight for a person's vote with the preferential ranked voting this time. | 12:26 |
| lbt | (serves him right for reporting bugs in shopper) | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | A formates a format and might as well stick with it. ;) | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/gibberish/something resembling English/ | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, now we've at least got a 2-person council. . . . | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, I was hoping for a autocracy. | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Still need one more person to declare for the election to be valid :-/ | 12:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles hopes Dell's shipping estimate on his Mini 9 is pessimistic. | 12:28 | |
| Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process - point 11. | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, Darius, remember? :P | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | Oh, yeah. And 3 candidates would, according to this rule, all become the council *without* a vote. | 12:28 |
| * Myrtti wants a pink Asus Aspire 1 | 12:29 | |
| lbt | wnd: I tend to agree it's more pretty than really useful | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used Maemo Mapper on a 770 in the early days. | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It only feels faster to me these days. ;) | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | That comes with the upgrade of 770 to N800 ;P | 12:30 |
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| qwerty12 | hmm... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/02/cellular-providers-want-nokia-to-drop-skype-from-cell-phones.ars | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | how surprising... NOT | 12:39 |
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| qwerty12 | I thought our networks were decent *cries* | 12:40 |
| Macer | think i give up on trying to tweak this | 12:40 |
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| Macer | i have no idea why the hell the damn thing is going so damn slow :) | 12:41 |
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| udovdh | any opinions on kismet for n810? | 12:44 |
| udovdh | best? worst? | 12:44 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to change the bootloaders default option? | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Set_the_default_boot_device | 13:34 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12, thanks, i am also using your fb mode in the wiki :) | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, it's fanoush's stuff and lbt tidied up the steps for the wiki :) | 13:48 |
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| udovdh | can the n810 file manager browse the sd card? | 13:50 |
| udovdh | or just the internal memory? | 13:51 |
| udovdh | (it is not very intuitive...) | 13:51 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, strange, the bootmenu vanishede,.. but it boots to immc2 | 13:54 |
| guysoft42 | vanished* | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | you did use *ask*:immc2 right? | 13:56 |
| guysoft42 | er - which key sis the home key in nokia n180? | 13:56 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, i did.. let me try again, maybe i was stupid | 13:56 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, right. i guess the second time i messed | 13:57 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, do you know if there is a way to use the USB recovery mode to dump the internal memory flash in a nice quick way? i want to backup after i recovered | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I can't promise a nice way... | 14:01 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, i guess ill have to use the internal flash to do it hen | 14:01 |
| guysoft42 | then* | 14:01 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12, how did you get the kernel output during boot to work? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | "softcursor bitblit font fbcon" modules in initfs's /lib/modules/`uname -r` and adding ITEM_MODULES="softcursor bitblit font fbcon" and ITEM_FBMODE="auto" to my bootmenu.conf | 14:03 |
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| hahlo | hi, is there bitlbee for maemo somewhere? | 14:06 |
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| udovdh | hahlo, interesting concept... | 14:09 |
| hahlo | yes could be light to run background | 14:11 |
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| inz | hahlo, why do you need it to run locally? | 14:20 |
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| ShadowJK | udovdh, yes the file manager can browse the internal memory and the cards. On the left you have several folders. "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card", "Bluetooth", "Shared folders" | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | "Removable memory card" is the minisd slot | 14:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Bluetooth browses any bluetooth device with an obexftp server in range, for example your cellphone. "Shared folders" is whatever SMB/CIFS shares found through wlan, though it only works if you don't need a user/pass to access it | 14:52 |
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| binky | Hi everyone. | 15:17 |
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| binky | I'm an idiot that enters here just to being helped, although I can't help nobody... | 15:36 |
| binky | so... | 15:36 |
| binky | can anybody help me with my problem? | 15:36 |
| binky | I was installing KDE 3.5.6 on my 7700 | 15:36 |
| binky | 770* | 15:37 |
| binky | and when I enter the last step in Xterm as root I get: | 15:37 |
| keesj | :P | 15:37 |
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| binky | # /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf KDE356FINAL1.tar.bz2 | 15:37 |
| binky | /bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/tar: not found | 15:38 |
| binky | so, what do I do now? | 15:38 |
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| binky | also, if i do tar jxfv KDE....tar.bz2 I get a tar: invalid option --j and the usage | 15:40 |
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| binky | any ideas? | 15:42 |
| RST38h | binky: does the usage information mention j? | 15:47 |
| binky | [wait, I'm rebooting, the tablet, please] | 15:47 |
| binky | usage says: tar -[czxtv0] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] | 15:49 |
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| binky | I don't put the whole path to the file, because it's in /, and I cded to it. | 15:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: god knows why you want linuxdc++... shittest client i've ever seen. on my tablet, it segfaults when pressing ok in settings... but i've added one way fullscreen & in theory (untested) right click functionality in search to menu button: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/linuxdcpp_1.0.2-1_armel.deb but untested | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: !! =) | 15:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It works very very well on the desktop | 15:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Thanks! Getting it... | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can't get it to do a search :/ | 15:51 |
| RST38h | The version compiled by n8xx.com guys does search just fine | 15:52 |
| binky | RST38h, do you know another way to do the same operation as jxvf does? | 15:52 |
| RST38h | but is kinda useless because of the right button | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | searching on the desktop that is | 15:52 |
| RST38h | binky: Your tar does not support j option | 15:52 |
| RST38h | binky: Alternatively, you may not have bzip2 installed | 15:52 |
| binky | I have. | 15:52 |
| binky | Just installed it before this step. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | binky: do bzcat2 file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - | 15:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can't vouch for that deb though.. dc++ segfaults when i press ok in settings | 15:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: n8xx version seems to have working settings but the settings layout is completely broken | 15:53 |
| binky | Ok, It's working now. Thank you VEEEEEEEERY much, RST38h (what does the nick mean?) | 15:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: settings layout is broken here too - it uses fucking glade which i don't have time for | 15:54 |
| RST38h | yea | 15:54 |
| binky | It will take a lot of time to complete, I'm going to it, I'll tell you if it works so I can thank you even more (?) | 15:54 |
| RST38h | qwerty: My guess is that reducing the font size should automagically fix the layout | 15:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | font size is determined from the theme | 15:55 |
| RST38h | ah | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but it's not hard to add a scrollbar to a glade window but I'm not well versed in these things anyway | 15:56 |
| RST38h | it is strange that there is no way to override theme font size | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there's a pack of the nokia default themes that use 12pt fonts somewhere (maemo.lancode.de ?) | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | btw, scons isn't a problem in sbox1 - it's provided internally | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Wow, Bundyo adds the add blocker to tear! | 15:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ! | 15:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Too bad I do not have sbox1 any more... | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sbox1 will be all that i have wrt the sbox's :p | 16:00 |
| RST38h | This is to inform you that we are in | 16:01 |
| RST38h | possession of your Parcel (which includes a certified cheque worth of | 16:01 |
| RST38h | ¸650,000.00 [Six Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pounds Sterlings]and other vital | 16:01 |
| RST38h | documents) (some african posing as DHL) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Where do they find suckers for all these scams? | 16:02 |
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| binky | RST38h, when I came back I found Xterm closed.... | 16:08 |
| RST38h | binky: I didn't cose your xterm. | 16:09 |
| binky | ...sure... | 16:09 |
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| binky | was that the same action that the jxvf command did or was it just to look the files inside the tar? | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | Well, we're definitely having another council now, with Andy80's candidature. | 16:10 |
| binky | but I keep believing, that, as the command did not suceed, you closed my xterm, so I couldn't see the results! HA-HA! | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: entering nickname and pressing ok in settings worked for me | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | odd, it keeps crashing here. | 16:13 |
| RST38h | qwerty: it is not showing cyrillics but I guess it is normal | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (which is why I can't test the menu thing - I don't have a nick so no hub will let me in) | 16:14 |
| binky | RST38h, /bin/sh: bzcat2: not found ___ wtf? it worked 5 minutes ago! | 16:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: search does not work because the search button is off screen | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | enter doesn't work? :( | 16:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I have not tried the hw enter button but the virt keyboard one does not | 16:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bollocks | 16:18 |
| RST38h | weird | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | time to make a dc++ emulator? =) | 16:20 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Morngin | 16:23 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, Why you say that ? the current council can win again :) | 16:24 |
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| binky | RST38h, I've ran it (ran or run? I'm learning irregular english verbs at school lol) as bzcat, not bzcat2 and it seems to be working now, it's well done? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | binky: as long as it works, yes | 16:31 |
| binky | It lists all the files that are being extracted, true? | 16:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: naaah, although a glade/gtk wrapper that automatically hildonizes things would be helpful | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | isntt here some gtk/hildony progress being made? | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | sudo apt-get install bacon | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: We've got 3 candidates, if no one else stands, they become the council | 16:43 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: You mean, our good General is not running? | 16:43 |
| neostrider | hey folks | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: 3 candidates = Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, Andy80 | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, the deadline is in the end of the next week right ? | 16:44 |
| neostrider | how's freemantle roadmap going? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:45 |
| tank-man-inbed | freeeeemantle | 16:45 |
| RST38h | neo: With a single E. | 16:45 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: err, can't remember and have screaming baby. Sounds about right | 16:45 |
| VDVsx | other candidates will appear :) | 16:45 |
| neostrider | RST38h: oh, sorry. I never get those names. I still type Gregalle sometimes... | 16:46 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, in my very personal opinion I think the current council did a good job :) | 16:47 |
| VDVsx | and if the core of the current council maintain, will be good, because those persons learned a lot during the last 6 months | 16:48 |
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| binky | neostrider, do you know where do those names come from? Diablo means Devil in spanish, Bora is a island where there were atomic tests in the Pacific ocean, but I don't know anymore. Gregale, Chinook, Fremantle... | 16:54 |
| neostrider | those | 16:54 |
| neostrider | those maemo 2 names are wind names | 16:54 |
| neostrider | famous european wind flows | 16:54 |
| neostrider | I dont know about chinook and frEmantle ;-) | 16:55 |
| neostrider | (but I would love to see a wind called IT2005 =-P) | 16:55 |
| Myrtti | ilmatar would be wicked for Harmattan+1 | 16:56 |
| Myrtti | chinook sounds like inuit | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | neostrider, they are all wind names | 16:57 |
| VDVsx | (I nokia guy said that in a presentation :)) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | And Elephanta is a female elephant god of bodily pleasure? | 16:57 |
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| neostrider | (I wish the nokia guys that come to Rio would give some maemo presentations instead of only S60 presentations...) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: not inuit, but indians form American west | 16:58 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: IIRC inuits are generally listed as descendants of native americans, but yeah, said it only *sounds* like inuit :-P | 16:59 |
| RST38h | they are native americans, ain't they? =) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Tear block list does not work =( | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | heheh : http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/255457/harmattan | 17:00 |
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| Myrtti | http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/73774/bora :-P | 17:03 |
| RST38h | known to knock people down and overturn vehicles | 17:04 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 17:04 |
| neostrider | maybe a 770 controlled car? | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | google gave me more rating to britannica than to wikipedia, this info also exist in wikipedia :) | 17:06 |
| pupnik_ | there are germans making autonomous arm-based UAVs | 17:06 |
| pupnik_ | http://ng.uavp.ch and swiss etc | 17:06 |
| pupnik_ | #uavp on freenode <endspam> | 17:06 |
| neostrider | pupnik_: Pupnik! long time no see you, my friend! | 17:07 |
| pupnik_ | hola neostrider | 17:07 |
| pupnik_ | como vai? | 17:08 |
| neostrider | (hola is spanish ;-) use "oi" ) | 17:09 |
| neostrider | muito bem! | 17:09 |
| neostrider | and how about your game ports? | 17:09 |
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| binky | neostrider, I'm back, thank you for the answer. | 17:14 |
| binky | do you speak spanish? | 17:14 |
| VDVsx | pupnik_, you can use -> "Olá" too :) | 17:15 |
| neostrider | Brazillian Portuguese | 17:15 |
| neostrider | but my girlfriend's father is uruguayan, so Im learning it again | 17:16 |
| pupnik_ | i have no game progress sorry neostrider | 17:16 |
| neostrider | (I used to study it back in junior high) | 17:16 |
| pupnik_ | i want to make flying killer robots now | 17:16 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 17:17 |
| binky | neostrider, If you don't understand some expression or something, ask me, I' m spanish | 17:17 |
| binky | I only can say "obrigado" in portuguese. | 17:17 |
| neostrider | binky: gracias for your support ;-) | 17:19 |
| binky | lol! | 17:19 |
| neostrider | pupnik_: you mean, a real robot or a robot game? | 17:19 |
| VDVsx | binky, you are from spain or latin america ? | 17:20 |
| binky | VDVsx, I'm from spain, but I talk to latin americans very often, so i know some expressions from there | 17:21 |
| binky | I'm from El Ejido, Almería, Spain. | 17:21 |
| binky | and you? | 17:21 |
| VDVsx | Portugal, we are almost neighbors :) lol | 17:21 |
| neostrider | VDVsx: where in portugal? | 17:22 |
| binky | I've never crossed the frontier lol | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | south, near to Faro | 17:22 |
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| neostrider | cool | 17:22 |
| binky | What's there? There's a city called Vila Gordo do Antonio or something like that, near Ayamonte in Huelva, there's a ... valla? (wall of iron) | 17:22 |
| neostrider | my family are mostly from Vila Real , Tras-os-montes | 17:22 |
| neostrider | my grand-father is from Porto | 17:23 |
| neostrider | but Im sure I couldn't understand you. I went to the portuguese neighbourhood in Toronto and I couldnt understand a word they said | 17:23 |
| binky | lol | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | binky, Vila real de santo antonio is one city, monte gordo another :) eheheh | 17:23 |
| binky | Lol! | 17:24 |
| binky | My favourite band is coming to Portugal and I can't go to the show in spain... -_- | 17:24 |
| neostrider | whats the band? | 17:24 |
| VDVsx | neostrider, I understand very well brazilian persons :) Its almost the same with some accent :) | 17:25 |
| binky | SlipKnoT | 17:25 |
| binky | Nu-Metal music | 17:25 |
| binky | what music do you listen to? | 17:25 |
| binky | (I also like jazz, trip-hop and hard rock, but I mainly listen to Nu-metal, progressive metal or thrash) | 17:26 |
| neostrider | Im listening to NIN right now | 17:27 |
| neostrider | but its a Gary Numan cover | 17:27 |
| VDVsx | binky, I went once to Almeria (In a trip to Granada and Serra nevada), but didn't remember very well the city :) (I'm listen Stone sour right now, curious) | 17:27 |
| neostrider | I love technopop | 17:27 |
| binky | VDVsx, sometimes I prefer Stone Sour over SlipKnoT, don't know why | 17:28 |
| binky | neostrider, I love NIN, they are one of the few Industrial Metal bands I like | 17:29 |
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| neostrider | same here | 17:29 |
| binky | VDVsx, I played my first show with our band yesterday. Policemen went to stop as at the 5th song... | 17:29 |
| neostrider | but I like David Bowies's industrial rock albums | 17:29 |
| binky | Just when we were going to play Inhale by Stone Sour | 17:30 |
| VDVsx | binky, I didn't know that SlipKnot will come to Portugal :) | 17:30 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:30 |
| neostrider | binky: this is a coolness factor meter ;-) | 17:30 |
| binky | neostrider, people tell me I look like David Bowie lol | 17:30 |
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| neostrider | binky: wich age Bowie? | 17:30 |
| binky | Which age I am? | 17:31 |
| binky | I'm 13. | 17:31 |
| VDVsx | binky, Metallica and SlipKnot at the same festival, cool :) | 17:31 |
| binky | VDVsx, Metallica, SlipKnoT, Lamb Of God and Mastodon in Barcelona, 19th July | 17:31 |
| neostrider | no no... I mean, what bowie persona do you resemble? | 17:31 |
| binky | neostrider, I don't know. I've listened to almost the whole discography of David Bowie, but only saw a picture of him once. | 17:32 |
| neostrider | wow | 17:34 |
| neostrider | do you know the "Outside" album? | 17:34 |
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| binky | ...Heard of it, but.. I believe I never listened to it, why? | 17:35 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, question: when i connect the device over USB, and try to do a dump from immc with dd it goes really slow (about 1bm a min). is there a way to speed it up? | 17:38 |
| neostrider | binky: try it...its the best | 17:38 |
| binky | neostrider, what style? | 17:38 |
| neostrider | guysoft42: the USB is very slow... | 17:38 |
| neostrider | binky: industrial...a lighter version of NIN | 17:39 |
| binky | guysoft42, I'd help you but I have no idea of what you're talking about, although my 770's USB goes slow as hell | 17:39 |
| guysoft42 | neostrider, binky that must explain it. what would be the fastest way to do a dd then of the internal flash? (the 2 gb one) | 17:40 |
| guysoft42 | blue tooth? | 17:40 |
| binky | ...dd stands for Direct Download? | 17:40 |
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| neostrider | guysoft42: I just experienced this slowness. It took ages to copy some 200 MB of data over USB... | 17:41 |
| neostrider | binky: dd is a UNIX command/application to duplicate data | 17:41 |
| guysoft42 | binky, dd stands for i think data dump or something.. its a unix command to dump a drive to a file | 17:41 |
| binky | neostrider, my 770 goes fast 35 mbs. then stops there for... 2 or 3 minutes, and goes another 35 MBs, that way until it finishes | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | so 35 meg into ram ;) | 17:42 |
| binky | guysoft42, why don't you set up a FTP network with the 770 and a computer and just pass files over wifi | 17:42 |
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| guysoft42 | binky, well i wanted a solution that i can run off the computer. i rather dd to the PC directly, and not dd on the device an copy | 17:43 |
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| binky | oh...... then i can't help, sorry. | 17:44 |
| binky | I can't heeelp with falling in love (8) i was listening to it ... lol | 17:44 |
| neostrider | binky: ?? | 17:44 |
| binky | neostrider, Can't Help With Falling in Love by Elvis | 17:45 |
| binky | It's true when Aisu said that the untar of KDE would take forever. | 17:46 |
| binky | almost 1'5 hours... | 17:46 |
| binky | Oh, It's un taring Kopete | 17:46 |
| neostrider | binky: KDE for Maemo? | 17:47 |
| binky | Of course. | 17:47 |
| neostrider | what device? | 17:47 |
| binky | 770 | 17:48 |
| binky | but It's available for all of ITs. | 17:48 |
| neostrider | OMG! | 17:48 |
| neostrider | what size? | 17:48 |
| binky | XFCE is also available. | 17:48 |
| binky | Hmmm | 17:48 |
| binky | 700 MBs I think | 17:48 |
| binky | I partitioned the 2 GB MMC | 17:48 |
| binky | 480 MBs for FAT and the rest for the OS | 17:48 |
| binky | so I downloaded it in / | 17:49 |
| binky | and it's unzipping... | 17:49 |
| binky | untaring I mean | 17:49 |
| binky | XFCE is slighter | 17:49 |
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| binky | and now I repent for installing KDE instead XFCE and noticing I'm an idiot, but... | 17:49 |
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| neostrider | how hacky is it? | 17:51 |
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| binky | not much | 17:51 |
| binky | It's a pretty standard version | 17:52 |
| binky | you can't install any KDE app that isn't included though | 17:52 |
| binky | you must partition your MMC card and boot from it | 17:52 |
| binky | then download a .tar.bz2 and untar it | 17:52 |
| binky | and under Extras, you'll see KDE 3.5.6 | 17:52 |
| binky | It pretty usable (people say, I haven't tried it yet... it keeps un taring forever( | 17:53 |
| neostrider | hummm..sounds too hacky for me | 17:53 |
| neostrider | last time I tried such a thing, was in my EZX phone. I booted OpenMoko on it...but it got so hot that I had to take the battery out | 17:54 |
| binky | :o | 17:54 |
| binky | COME ON, Why The Hell you include Kalzium , KStars and Kangram, I don't need them absolutely! | 17:55 |
| binky | Noo! It will come with Noatun, I hate it. | 17:55 |
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| binky | My mouse batteries ran out hours ago, but for some reason, taking them out, and in makes them work for 2 minutes. | 17:58 |
| binky | ... It doesn't work anymore. | 17:58 |
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| binky | I'll read something to have fun while KDE installs. | 17:58 |
| neostrider | weird | 17:58 |
| neostrider | I dont like all that KDE useless stuff | 17:58 |
| neostrider | my EeePC comes with mr portato guy (or something like that) | 17:59 |
| binky | cool... now It's untaring Mahjong. | 17:59 |
| neostrider | I would love to take it out...but its unionFS | 17:59 |
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| binky | I loved it 7 years ago. | 17:59 |
| binky | That was my first Linux experience. | 17:59 |
| binky | I was 6 and my brother installed SuSE with KDE. | 17:59 |
| neostrider | mine too...but then I evolved =-P | 18:00 |
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| binky | I played Mr. Potato Guy, played with the Periodic Table (With 5 years I learned the whole periodic table for no reason, and now I have to study it for school. Also, I knew AAAALLLL countries capitals and flags) with Kalzium and watched Nightsky with KStars. | 18:01 |
| binky | I wonder it comes with it all because developer's kid. | 18:01 |
| binky | Penguinbait has a kid? lol | 18:01 |
| binky | Man, I was a nerd when I was 6... | 18:02 |
| binky | oh, a ver conjugator preinstalled... | 18:02 |
| binky | verb/ | 18:02 |
| binky | verb* | 18:02 |
| binky | how do I invocate infobot? | 18:02 |
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| guysoft42 | the speed was 46.2 kB/s | 18:08 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 18:09 | |
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| neostrider | binky: what ITOS do you have? | 18:12 |
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| t_s_o | anyone seen media player produce seg faults before? | 18:21 |
| neostrider | sometimes... | 18:22 |
| t_s_o | and the fix was? | 18:22 |
| neostrider | "next song, please"? | 18:23 |
| neostrider | =-p | 18:23 |
| t_s_o | heh | 18:23 |
| neostrider | have you ever tried the MPlayer port? | 18:23 |
| t_s_o | well im not exactly asking for myself, so... | 18:24 |
| binky | neostrider, the latest build of OS2006 | 18:27 |
| binky | I tried OS2007, which was a true pain and sucked really hard | 18:27 |
| binky | (Hacker edition of course) | 18:27 |
| neostrider | perfect. wanna try my games? | 18:28 |
| binky | and OS2008HE, which I loved but abandonned because of: I couldn't install apps and I couldn't connect USB to my computer with it | 18:28 |
| binky | ok | 18:28 |
| binky | tell me | 18:28 |
| binky | which games | 18:28 |
| binky | when KDE is installed if you don't mind... | 18:28 |
| binky | Can't try them right now | 18:28 |
| neostrider | sure.. I must make a special package for you first | 18:28 |
| BULLE | special rootkit, ehm, games, package! | 18:29 |
| binky | there is Arkanoid? I love arkanoid. Give me arkanoid! (lol) | 18:29 |
| neostrider | BULLE: special vir..games! | 18:29 |
| aquatix | turn your NIT into a Zombie today! | 18:29 |
| BULLE | neostrider: =D | 18:29 |
| BULLE | arkanoid was fu | 18:29 |
| aquatix | binky: heh, not such a bad call | 18:30 |
| neostrider | hum...no arkanoid..but I didnt know there was such a demand for it | 18:30 |
| neostrider | I may create one then | 18:30 |
| binky | lol | 18:30 |
| binky | my favourite games ever are Worms Armageddon or World Party, Age Of Empires II (I like III, but not the first one), Pang, Tetris and Arkanoid. | 18:31 |
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| neostrider | I created a armagetron-like game (my first maemo game) | 18:34 |
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| jagernot | binky have u tried boxar? :) | 18:34 |
| neostrider | a Driller like game | 18:34 |
| neostrider | and now Im working on a first person shooter | 18:34 |
| binky | jagernot, Never, what's about? | 18:34 |
| neostrider | gotta go now | 18:34 |
| neostrider | lunch time. | 18:34 |
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| jagernot | http://www.poojyum.com/boxar | 18:34 |
| binky | Let's see... | 18:35 |
| binky | COOLEST THING EVER FOR TABLETS! | 18:37 |
| binky | THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH! | 18:37 |
| jagernot | thank you binky..im the author :D | 18:37 |
| binky | The only thing that I don't like... there is a bit of dealy... | 18:37 |
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| binky | But I hope I can leave with that. | 18:37 |
| jagernot | delay? xplain? | 18:38 |
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| binky | So, can you change the song or it's always the cheap toy organ sound? (I like it, but i'll get tired of it) | 18:38 |
| jagernot | u can change scales | 18:38 |
| jagernot | also do rhythms | 18:38 |
| jagernot | and play with the speed of the rhythms etc..turn on sway to get a better sound | 18:39 |
| binky | Runs smooth in 770? Works in OS2006? | 18:39 |
| jagernot | ur running on 770? | 18:39 |
| binky | I only have a 770 | 18:40 |
| jagernot | i know it runs on n810, 800 | 18:40 |
| binky | I like it a LOT. Even more than Pyano, It's the only thing I can create something with in the tablet. | 18:40 |
| binky | I'll give it a try as soon as I can and tell you if it works and what doesn't. | 18:40 |
| jagernot | cool | 18:40 |
| binky | The box are the notes or are semitones? | 18:41 |
| binky | I mean | 18:41 |
| binky | in an horizontal row they go | 18:41 |
| binky | C, D, E, F... | 18:41 |
| binky | or | 18:41 |
| * Jaffa needs a larger tablet to show Mrs Jaffa romantic getaway ideas. | 18:41 | |
| binky | C, C#, D, D#, E, E#, F, F#... | 18:41 |
| binky | jagernot, liqbase fakes multitouch? If liqbase isn't available for OS2006, boxar won't work, true? | 18:44 |
| jagernot | it doesnt use liqbase | 18:44 |
| jagernot | it uses gtk | 18:44 |
| jagernot | a row is one octave | 18:45 |
| jagernot | usually 6 rows | 18:45 |
| jagernot | 6 octaves | 18:45 |
| jagernot | C to C | 18:45 |
| jagernot | each row | 18:45 |
| jagernot | notes are dependent on the scale | 18:45 |
| jagernot | blues is C Eb F F# G Bb C | 18:45 |
| jagernot | so now matter how u play u will sound in tune | 18:46 |
| jagernot | bcos it only uses a subset | 18:46 |
| jagernot | of course if u want to do something serious u will want all the notes maybe | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Get an LCD TV =) | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Hmm, got one. Not a bad idea. | 18:48 |
| binky | jagernot, I will | 18:48 |
| binky | lol | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | (this is the point where we hope the next tablet has vga out) | 18:48 |
| binky | I was surprised to see 4 consecutives boxes played Smoke On The Water | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | Or that TechCrunch tablet comes out of vapourware into reality. | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Obama's proposed 2010 budget goes where no Bush has gone before by including significant spending for scientific agencies, including NASA, the EPA, and Department of Energy | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: At one point, I built a little cheap PC and placed it under the LCD TV | 18:49 |
| binky | jagernot, F#, A, B... F# A C B... | 18:49 |
| * Jaffa has a nice new media PC under there. Don't like it for web browsing, but for watching HD content it's pretty good :) | 18:49 | |
| RST38h | Jaffa: makes the above task (and many others, like showing photos to guests) easy | 18:50 |
| jagernot | what is that binky? | 18:50 |
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| jagernot | blues in key of F#? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know what the "defacto" kernel source location for 770 is? | 18:51 |
| binky | jagernot, actually, Smoke On The Water- | 18:51 |
| binky | qwerty12, I'd tell you, but my KDE keeps untaring after 2 hours and openiing a tab freezes the tablet... | 18:51 |
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| binky | jagernot, there is used the system of notation that goes "Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si"? | 18:52 |
| jagernot | oh cool. disco_stu played smoke on water first | 18:52 |
| timeless | andre__: um, isn't ham open source? :) | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | KDE never worked well on my N800 either, watchdog would reboot it when I was using Konqueror | 18:52 |
| jagernot | on boxar ie see his vid on youtube | 18:52 |
| jagernot | binky, never liked that notation though ... | 18:52 |
| binky | qwerty12, my illusions on KDE are completely gone now ... lol | 18:53 |
| binky | jagernot, In spain, people learn that notation the first | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I felt the same when I tried it. More so because the installation was long as shit :P | 18:53 |
| andre__ | timeless, then don't use an ancient version ;-) | 18:53 |
| timeless | wtc | 18:53 |
| timeless | andre__: eh? | 18:53 |
| jagernot | oh | 18:53 |
| timeless | andre__, try loading https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo//projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc? | 18:53 |
| timeless | then click 'maemo' | 18:54 |
| binky | I studied saxophone and musical language 5 years and I actually have learned more piano and bass guitar than sax. | 18:54 |
| binky | qwerty12, how long was yours? | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | about ~2 hours | 18:54 |
| binky | Uh, then is going to finish soon. | 18:54 |
| andre__ | timeless, 404 Not Found | 18:55 |
| binky | ./usr/local/kde/share/sounds/KDE_Logout:2.ogg | 18:55 |
| binky | that is what it's extraction | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, it's in git now http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager (although rejected...) | 18:55 |
| timeless | rejected ? | 18:55 |
| binky | extracting* | 18:55 |
| andre__ | only because of the two slashes | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps,ping | 18:55 |
| binky | Will finish soon, true? TRUE? | 18:55 |
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| timeless | andre__: anyway, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc?root=maemo&view=markup | 18:56 |
| timeless | is just as broken as the version i referenced | 18:56 |
| binky | /usr/local/info! Go, 770! Go! | 18:56 |
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| andre__ | yupp | 18:56 |
| timeless | but since it's open source, you're free to figure out that it's broken in latest | 18:56 |
| andre__ | and i'm also free to not care :) | 18:57 |
| * slonopotamus_ will convince timeless one day to use gentoo and forget about maemo patched nightmare :) | 18:58 | |
| timeless | slonopotamus: i'm perfectly happy w/ windows | 18:58 |
| lbt | so how do I get an icon for my app to appear in Application manager? | 18:58 |
| timeless | when my vendor messes up, i call it, and they deal w/ my problem | 18:58 |
| lbt | timeless: me too - it's windy without them :_ | 18:58 |
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| slonopotamus_ | timeless, bullshit. FIF - that's what vendor says. | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, google Maemo-Icon-26 | 18:59 |
| timeless | fif? | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | Fixed In Fremantle | 18:59 |
| lbt | qwerty12: ta | 19:00 |
| RST38h | slono: There is also Will be Fixed in Harmattan | 19:00 |
| slonopotamus_ | = never officially fixed for my device | 19:00 |
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| timeless | slono: as i said, i'm perfectly happy w/ windows :) | 19:01 |
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| slonopotamus_ | timeless, on tablet? | 19:01 |
| timeless | slono: vmware demo'd windows something on the n800 :) | 19:02 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless, windows ce | 19:02 |
| timeless | but actually, the w31 ui has always been a reasonable touch ui | 19:02 |
| timeless | (or os/2) | 19:02 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, you're happy with windows ce? :) | 19:03 |
| timeless | big enough icons and safe tapping behaviors :) | 19:03 |
| timeless | i'm very happy not using it ;-) | 19:03 |
| timeless | i'd be happier not using symbian too :^) | 19:03 |
| timeless | so what is gitorious, and why does google say it doesn't exist? | 19:03 |
| timeless | :) | 19:03 |
| timeless | -- and don't tell me to google it | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | does anybody know what vkb is used in deblet? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, git repository where open source projects can host them selves on. repo.or.cz is a similar thing | 19:05 |
| timeless | so, i take it that this one is dead | 19:05 |
| timeless | which is why people gave me a link to it | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Seems like the whole of it is down | 19:06 |
| suihkulokki | the weekend of down | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | I used it a while back to grab the last version of the release_diablo branch | 19:06 |
| fauxmight | is maemo's net mgmt code open? i want to code out the radius cert expire check. | 19:07 |
| timeless | no. | 19:07 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 19:07 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, christendoc? | 19:07 |
| timeless | fauxmight: if you prepare a fairly detailed question, someone could check during a work day | 19:07 |
| fauxmight | slonopotamus: this was one of my original gentoo 810 reasons. and yes. | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, good... err... 20-11=9. good morning? :) | 19:08 |
| fauxmight | timeless: work day?? we're FOSS volunteers :) | 19:09 |
| fauxmight | slonopotamus: you got it. and good evening to you, sir :) | 19:09 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, i got lxde running ;) talking with gentoo people about official stages :) | 19:10 |
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| fauxmight | very nice. i'm a dentist by day, and work's been insane pretty nmuch since the new year. I haven't done any gentoo 810 work in almost two months. | 19:11 |
| fauxmight | you get a bluetooth kb for 800? | 19:11 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, ah, and almost working wifi. suspect it works, just need to give config file to wpa_supplicant | 19:12 |
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| slonopotamus | fauxmight, i do everything in chroot. possibly will have vkb next week | 19:12 |
| timeless | fauxmight: i'm offering something | 19:13 |
| timeless | take it or leave it. | 19:13 |
| zs | hmm gentoo 810, what's that? | 19:13 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 19:13 |
| fauxmight | I'm on 810. if kb works w/ maemo krnl, i've got to try out your stuff soon. the omap krnl was good for 810 kb, but i haven't tried on maemo's kernel. | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus | zs, that's different world :) | 19:14 |
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| slonopotamus | fauxmight, kb works, just need to give config file to X with proper key mappings. | 19:14 |
| fauxmight | timeless: are you with nokia? not sure i understood your offer. thought u were kidding around. | 19:14 |
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| timeless | i am. and no, i was quite serious | 19:15 |
| timeless | but you've wasted enough of my time | 19:15 |
| timeless | there's a very good dinner waiting for me | 19:15 |
| b-man | lol | 19:15 |
| timeless | so i'm going to pack up my wallet, dress up in a suit, and go enjoy it | 19:15 |
| fauxmight | timeless: np sorry about that. | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, what's up with you? :) | 19:16 |
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| * slonopotamus is scared of dentist that hack gentoo in spare time | 19:18 | |
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| b-man | hehe | 19:18 |
| fauxmight | heh heh... | 19:19 |
| fauxmight | each one keeps me sane from the other. | 19:19 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, anyway. i strongly advice you to give up linux-omap kernel until there's a strong need | 19:20 |
| * qwerty12 has fun on 2.6.21, all the patches I've collected (and some minor, little things of mine): http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff | 19:21 | |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, or mer guys make it work in a good way :) | 19:21 |
| fauxmight | well, if maemo gives me a working kb at console and wpa_supp can play nice with cx3110x | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | fauxmight, there's patches for wpa_supplicant & cx3110x @ cx3110x-devel | 19:23 |
| fauxmight | that's really all of the nice I'm looking for from a kernel | 19:23 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, why console? you can get X | 19:23 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, and wpa_supplicant, i just need to test it & write docs | 19:23 |
| fauxmight | qwerty12: played with that about a year ago. signal strength was sad. better now? | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, icd user here :/ | 19:24 |
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| fauxmight | slonopotamus: i need enough console to get e16 compiled :) | 19:24 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, compile inside chroot from maemo. | 19:25 |
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| fauxmight | good point, slonopotamus | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, i did that all work from cross-built system up to bootable with X | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | that way, i mean | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, bbeca | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | aargh | 19:26 |
| fauxmight | my ideal though is bootable stage3, and then go where I wanna go. I'd was trying to build something suitably generic, like that. | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | because console mode hass no use on n800 | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, what do you call 'stage3'? | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | fauxmight, 'system' + everything that is needed to boot? | 19:28 |
| fauxmight | well, stage 3 not actually bootable, but chrootable. | 19:28 |
| fauxmight | yes | 19:28 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 19:28 |
| StsN800 | cx3110x wpa supplicant/networkmanager is trivial | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | fauxmight, take my tbz with 'system' and follow instructions to nake it bootable | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | s/nake/make/ | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | O:-) | 19:29 |
| fauxmight | StsN800: u mean w/ dummy net? | 19:29 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: fauxmight, take my tbz with 'system' and follow instructions to make it bootable | 19:29 |
| fauxmight | sorry for choppy sentences. i'm remoted into irssi yping on 810 | 19:29 |
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| StsN800 | as in adding driver support to cx3110x | 19:29 |
| StsN800 | i'm in a car. | 19:30 |
| fauxmight | u win :) | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | StsN800, what vkb you used in deblet? | 19:30 |
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| StsN800 | matchbox and at one point HIM | 19:31 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, rndis? | 19:31 |
| lcuk | what happens if the compressed filesystem gets ummm full? | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, ugliness | 19:32 |
| StsN800 | lcuk, reboot loop often | 19:32 |
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| qwerty12 | StsN800, yer, usbnet in windows. Some guy claims to have it working via a way of a kernel patch and modifications to scripts. I've done them both, now lets see what happens. | 19:32 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, i will hug you if it works | 19:33 |
| lcuk | whats the best way to free up some space | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, hehe, if it does work, I can't take the credit anyway... | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, delete unused files/software? | 19:34 |
| binky | qwerty12, how long does it take to KDE to boot up? | 19:35 |
| binky | I selected it from the menu | 19:35 |
| lcuk | yeah, ive got some silly /usr folder thats takin up space - i meant sensible normal things like the pdfs i hear people talking about but i have no clue where they are | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | binky, dunno, it's been a long time since I installed it | 19:35 |
| binky | I got a blank screen 2 seconds, and later a black/grey screen with nothing | 19:36 |
| StsN800 | binky, 770 kde sounds scary | 19:36 |
| binky | the only thing i can do is showing the turn off / flight mode /lock screen panel | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | binky, well... that kde is :) | 19:37 |
| binky | StsN800, It's pretty scary... | 19:37 |
| binky | slonopotamus, LOL!! | 19:37 |
| binky | So... 3 hours install. | 19:37 |
| binky | ... | 19:37 |
| binky | for a black screen. | 19:37 |
| binky | At least I hadn't to pay anything for it. | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | binky, you said it is grey | 19:37 |
| binky | It's deep grey, don't know.. | 19:38 |
| binky | What would show up when you start KDE? | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | binky, kde needs tons of ram. do you have swap enabled? | 19:38 |
| binky | 64 MBs, the maximum | 19:38 |
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| binky | hi, infobot lol | 19:39 |
| b-man | infobot: hello | 19:39 |
| slonopotamus | binky, i suspect 128mb isn't enough for running maemo + kde | 19:40 |
| binky | I won't install XFCE for getting the same results... | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | fucking vista: "'ping' is not recognized as an internal or external command, | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | operable program or batch file." | 19:40 |
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| binky | slonopotamus, people got it to run in some way... | 19:40 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, you need to buy'n'download a special Ping Ultimate Edition 2009 for windoes vista for that | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | binky, on 770? not sure | 19:41 |
| infobot | hola, b-man | 19:41 |
| b-man | :D | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, lol. Or type the full path manually. I think my $PATH is messed :) | 19:41 |
| binky | slonopotamus, at least that is what people sayl.. | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, that's hacking. you're not allowed to do that | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, only via licensed tools like Ping Ultimate 2009 | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:43 |
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| qwerty12 | lemme reboot again and rebuild this kernel again... | 19:43 |
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| inf | oops | 19:45 |
| inf | division by zero | 19:45 |
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| *** inf is now known as slonopotamus | 19:45 | |
| binky | "The screen goes white then black, then I see KDE starting up." | 19:45 |
| * binky starts to cry. | 19:45 | |
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| qwerty12 | God, I'm such a knobhead. I should have upgraded ndiswrapper sooner... | 19:46 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:46 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:46 |
| FireFox16 | ~burn his N800 | 19:46 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over his N800, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:46 | |
| FireFox16 | :) | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | ~cry | 19:48 |
| * infobot cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. | 19:48 | |
| slonopotamus | oh my. he is she. | 19:49 |
| FireFox16 | ~kill himself | 19:49 |
| * infobot shoots a charged pseudoneutrino gun at himself | 19:49 | |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, any luck? | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, no :/ | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | request timed out | 19:49 |
| slonopotamus | ~die | 19:49 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 19:49 | |
| qwerty12 | dunno if it's because it just didn't work, or if I'm using vista or if I fucked up somewhere | 19:49 |
| FireFox16 | ~blow up | 19:49 |
| * infobot blows up | 19:49 | |
| FireFox16 | infobot: attack qwerty12 | 19:50 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing qwerty12 | 19:50 | |
| FireFox16 | XD | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:50 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, maybe ip configuration on tablet | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | ifconfig seemed to be showing legit results | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | maybe it doesn't like vista enforcing ipv6 on each connection | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus | infobot, give me all your money | 19:51 |
| * infobot gives all your money to slonopotamus | 19:51 | |
| FireFox16 | ~shag | 19:52 |
| * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) | 19:52 | |
| FireFox16 | XP | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus | ~suicide | 19:52 |
| * infobot kills herself Juliet style, after seeing slonopotamus commit suicide | 19:52 | |
| slonopotamus | woops | 19:52 |
| FireFox16 | ~nuke everyone | 19:52 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at everyone ... B☢☢M! | 19:52 | |
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| qwerty12 | ~$100 | 19:53 |
| * infobot gives qwerty12 full service! | 19:53 | |
| qwerty12 | yeah baby | 19:53 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | ~$200 | 19:53 |
| FireFox16 | ~hump | 19:53 |
| * infobot humps the channel | 19:53 | |
| slonopotamus | ~$300 | 19:53 |
| infobot | somebody said $300 was fine | 19:53 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | ~$1000 | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | ~give qwerty12 ganja | 19:53 |
| * infobot gives ganja to qwerty12 | 19:53 | |
| FireFox16 | ~100000000 | 19:53 |
| FireFox16 | ~$10000000 | 19:54 |
| FireFox16 | :P | 19:54 |
| FireFox16 | infobot: you suck | 19:55 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 19:55 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 19:55 |
| slonopotamus | ))) | 19:55 |
| RST38h | ahhahaha | 19:56 |
| FireFox16 | ~burn | 19:57 |
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| FireFox16 | ~strip | 19:58 |
| infobot | Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip | 19:58 |
| FireFox16 | ??????????? | 19:58 |
| RST38h | ~rape FireFox16 | 19:58 |
| * infobot takes FireFox16 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 19:58 | |
| FireFox16 | wtf!?!? | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | ~backshot FireFox16 | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | ~sex :) | 19:58 |
| RST38h | You have been naughty. | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | ~sex | 19:58 |
| infobot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | ~give RST38h a blowjob | 19:58 |
| * infobot gives a blowjob to RST38h | 19:58 | |
| RST38h | how convinient | 19:59 |
| FireFox16 | ~rape qwerty12 | 19:59 |
| * infobot takes qwerty12 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 19:59 | |
| FireFox16 | XD | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | ~shag FireFox16 | 19:59 |
| * infobot gives FireFox16 a good seeing to | 19:59 | |
| qwerty12 | ~hump FireFox16 | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | ~lash FireFox16 | 19:59 |
| FireFox16 | ~hump qwerty12 | 19:59 |
| FireFox16 | ~shag qwerty12 | 19:59 |
| * BULLE dumps this conversation and sends it to maemo mailinglist | 19:59 | |
| * infobot gives qwerty12 a good seeing to | 19:59 | |
| qwerty12 | No need, it's already logged :) | 19:59 |
| BULLE | damn! | 19:59 |
| FireFox16 | XD | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 19:59 |
| lcuk | so when qwerty12_mum searches google she will know what to do lol | 20:00 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | ~touch BULLE | 20:00 |
| infobot | This is Fendor's pleasure only | 20:00 |
| slonopotamus | who's Fendor? | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | ~sing I touch myself | 20:01 |
| RST38h | ~fendor | 20:01 |
| FireFox16 | XD | 20:01 |
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| b-man | infobot: nuke yourself | 20:02 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at yourself ... B☢☢M! | 20:02 | |
| b-man | :P | 20:02 |
| b-man | ~nuke himself | 20:02 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... B☢☢M! | 20:02 | |
| b-man | :) | 20:02 |
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| b-man | infobot: burn himself and everyone around him | 20:05 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself and everyone around him, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 20:05 | |
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| b_man | ~pussy | 20:06 |
| infobot | Read: b_man | 20:06 |
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| qwerty12_ | ~pussy | 20:07 |
| infobot | Read: qwerty12_ | 20:07 |
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| b_man | infobot, you're a pussy | 20:07 |
| infobot | I know you are but what am I? | 20:07 |
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| b-man | infobot, your a pussy | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12_ | ?!?@!? | 20:08 |
| qwerty12_ | infobot, your a pussy | 20:08 |
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| b-man | XD | 20:09 |
| * b-man is done | 20:09 | |
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| lbt | where do I get the source for an app built using the autobuilder | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/ | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | <first letter of app>/<name of source package> | 20:10 |
| lbt | cool | 20:11 |
| lbt | I wonder if this should be linked from eg http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ | 20:11 |
| lbt | I spent ages trying to find it | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | If extras-devel is configured as a deb-src in your sources.list, apt-get source <name> in scratchbox also works | 20:12 |
| lbt | true | 20:12 |
| lbt | but I think a link is a good idea - binary only downloads is kinda wrong | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, this is binary-based distr | 20:14 |
| lbt | ? | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | But the app catalogue is meant to be viewed from the tablet I guess, I don't think many plan on getting the source from their tablet. as long as the source is there (for free things), I'm happy even if it isn't on the main product page | 20:15 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, 'source is somewhere' and 'source is easily used to build system from scratch' are completely different things. | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | I aint talking about building a system from scratch. Hell, I'm not even talking about Maemo's source. | 20:17 |
| lbt | I think the source should be linked from the 'public page' for an app | 20:18 |
| lbt | and "maemo/downloads" seems like the place to go for maemo downloads - source and binary | 20:18 |
| lbt | clearly it isn't the main thing | 20:18 |
| lbt | and all I suggest is a footnote or entry in 'Links' | 20:19 |
| lbt | The problem is that if I go to the garage page (as I did) | 20:19 |
| lbt | that isn't updated | 20:19 |
| lbt | so https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=628 | 20:19 |
| lbt | has 0.7-6 | 20:20 |
| lbt | (I meant "that isn't updated *automatically*) | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, that's a common maemo problem | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, and it's unlikely to get fixed | 20:21 |
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| lbt | indeed - so I'm suggesting that the autobuilder built page should link to the source | 20:21 |
| lbt | why not? | 20:21 |
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| * qwerty12 wonders why fanoush uses the 770 mcpu=arm926ej-s when he is building for diablo in scummvm | 20:23 | |
| slonopotamus | lbt, there isn't such this as 'public page for maemo patched gtk', for example. | 20:27 |
| lbt | I'm not asking for one :) | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, packages do not have public pages by default | 20:28 |
| lbt | but where there is one - ie for all the apps in autobuilder... | 20:28 |
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| lbt | promoted ones do don't they? | 20:28 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, really? show me one for libxml, for example | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | extras-devel, for free packages, does have the source but when it comes to promotion, it's up to the user whether to promote the source as well as binary to extras | 20:29 |
| Myrtti | my poor abandoned 770 is whimpering in the bathroom, "plz give me some E!" | 20:29 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/enigma/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/aarddict/ | 20:29 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bluemaemo/ | 20:29 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ | 20:29 |
| lbt | all "Free & Open Source license" | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | aarddict isn't in extras | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | ;) | 20:29 |
| lbt | none have a source linke | 20:29 |
| lbt | that's all I'm saying | 20:29 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, try filing bugreport | 20:30 |
| lbt | it is polite to provide source when you provide a binary | 20:30 |
| lbt | I am :) | 20:30 |
| lbt | just searching to make sure there is no dupe | 20:30 |
| lbt | qwerty12: so where is the aardict source? | 20:31 |
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| qwerty12 | ask them, not me. They have their own repo. | 20:32 |
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| mikkov_ | not promoting i386 or source is annoying, because promoter page gets just longer and longer | 20:32 |
| igagis1 | hi | 20:32 |
| b-man | hi | 20:32 |
| lbt | I thought all OSS apps had to be extras built | 20:32 |
| igagis1 | I'm trying to create a deb package of my application | 20:32 |
| igagis1 | and have some questions | 20:33 |
| lbt | igagis1: ask away :) | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | /topic Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Don't ask if you can ask, just ask. | 20:33 |
| igagis1 | my app uses gtkmm, should I indicate dependency on maemo-cplusplus-device-env? | 20:33 |
| lbt | no | 20:34 |
| lbt | one sec | 20:34 |
| igagis1 | I remember that my app did not run on the device until I installed maemo-cplusplus-device-env | 20:34 |
| igagis1 | but may be there are some other packages which provide the same? | 20:34 |
| lbt | oh, hold on I misread 'devel' | 20:35 |
| igagis1 | yes, it is 'device' , not 'devel' :-) | 20:36 |
| lbt | this worked for me: http://pastebin.com/d430a3c00 | 20:36 |
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| igagis1 | ${shlibs:Depends} | 20:37 |
| igagis1 | what does that mean? | 20:37 |
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| mikkov_ | that adds depencies automatically | 20:38 |
| qwerty12 | dh_shlibdeps will do an ldd of sorts when building the deb and check the binary to check what libs it uses. it will then basically do dpkg -S on the lib to see what package provides the lib and substitute it in your depends | 20:38 |
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| timelE61i | automagically figure out package depends using ldd | 20:38 |
| igagis1 | ok, so does that mean that I should build deb on device? | 20:39 |
| mikkov_ | no | 20:39 |
| igagis1 | ok | 20:39 |
| timelE61i | aRe you building an open source thing? | 20:40 |
| igagis1 | yes it is under MIT license | 20:40 |
| timelE61i | qwerty: how greedy are the versioning bits for dh_shlibdeps? | 20:40 |
| timelE61i | Igagis1: use autobuilder :) | 20:40 |
| RST38h | "n America, chicks are protest canaries. You can tell just how authentic a political rally is by the number of attractive women that attend." | 20:40 |
| * RST38h hehes | 20:41 | |
| timelE61i | Source? | 20:41 |
| pupnik | is that an inverse relationship? | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: hmm? | 20:42 |
| igagis1 | timelE61i: are you asking me about sources? just confused | 20:42 |
| timelE61i | That was to rst | 20:42 |
| timelE61i | Qwerty: does it set a pkg min version based on the installed lib deb version? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Some people say it is | 20:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i: yeah, >= (the version installed) | 20:43 |
| timelE61i | One would hope it's based on proportion and not absolute numbers.. | 20:43 |
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| timelE61i | igagis1: the reason not to use builder or auto is if you want to support an older version of a dependency | 20:44 |
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| timelE61i | Although getting that to work right is rare, so probably not worth considering | 20:45 |
| igagis1 | timelE61i: ok i'll consider using autobuilder... I'm creating the deb for the first time... not very good at it yet... | 20:45 |
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| timelE61i | grab a vmdk, either maemo4sdk or mer | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | do it in your scratchbox first | 20:46 |
| timelE61i | And play there | 20:46 |
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| Firebird | does anyone know what qt45 package qmake is in? | 20:56 |
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| slonopotamus | Firebird, apt-get search qmake? | 20:58 |
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| Firebird | apt-get doesn't have a search function does it? | 20:58 |
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| mikkov_ | apt-cache search | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | s/apt-get/apt-cache/ | 20:59 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: Firebird, apt-cache search qmake? | 20:59 |
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| Firebird | hmm, says its in libqt45-dev - Qt 4 development files but its not | 20:59 |
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| timelE61i | pkg search -lr qmake ;) | 21:02 |
| timelE61i | (requires a better os) | 21:03 |
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| Firebird | eh, I found it... its in libqt4-dev but not 45 | 21:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Firebird: libqt45-dev has /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake which symlinks to /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 | 21:03 |
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| Firebird | so I need to install qt4 and 45 at the same time? | 21:03 |
| mikkov_ | no | 21:03 |
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| Firebird | /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 doesn't exist | 21:04 |
| mikkov_ | /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 does | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | odd, existed in libqt45-dev_4.5.0~rc1maemo3_armel.deb | 21:05 |
| Firebird | well, the version I have doesn't have it | 21:06 |
| slonopotamus | Firebird, you have it installed? try find /opt -name qmake* | 21:07 |
| slonopotamus | will be slow | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | oops | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | 'find / -name qmake*' | 21:08 |
| mikkov_ | or update? I can't understand why it install anything to /opt | 21:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I presume it would have been installed by dpkg, so perhaps 'dpkg -S qmake' will be faster | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, agree | 21:09 |
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| Firebird | hmm, nothing, I guess I'll use qt4 for now | 21:10 |
| Firebird | how does dbuildpackage handle make install? | 21:11 |
| mikkov_ | qt45 package is just broken: /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake -> ../../../bin/qmake-qt4 | 21:11 |
| Firebird | I guess I did something wrong, dpkg-buildpackage made a deb with 3 empy folders | 21:12 |
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| udovdh | hello | 21:14 |
| udovdh | ntpdate for n810, anyone? | 21:14 |
| udovdh | didn't find it yet | 21:15 |
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| mikkov_ | Firebird: do you have someting like "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/packagename" in rules? | 21:17 |
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| Firebird | mikkov_, yeah, I forgot to change the install dir | 21:19 |
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| udovdh | http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/ for ntpdate? | 21:22 |
| Firebird | udovdh, openntp in extras | 21:23 |
| udovdh | it doesn't have ntpdate? | 21:24 |
| udovdh | the deb at the url I pasted works, as it appears | 21:24 |
| udovdh | or maybe use the gps for nptdate-like sync? | 21:25 |
| udovdh | does the n810 gps give us PPS? | 21:25 |
| udovdh | >:-) | 21:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | gps-clockd @ http://nitapps.com/ | 21:26 |
| udovdh | qwerty12_N800, thanks | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | girlfriend playing chess on 770: "i think it's cheating" | 21:53 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if that would be a provable bug report | 21:53 | |
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| Jaffa | :) | 21:54 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what this qtablet thing is | 21:54 | |
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| Stskeeps | yet another "who the fuck needs clutter", maybe | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | quite interesting though | 21:58 |
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| ShadowJK | udovdh, did you see about file manager? how would you make it more intuitive? :P | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | Sts: QTablet is not Clutter | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Sts: QTablet is an attempt to implement Hildon Desktop in QT | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Pretty raw attempt, judging from the video | 22:19 |
| lcuk | looks impressive actually, too much panning for my tastes | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: it would look impressive if it were finished | 22:21 |
| RST38h | As it is though, it is just a scrollable canvas with a bunch of little icons | 22:21 |
| fireun | at least its not an attempt to make maemo into an iPhone | 22:21 |
| * RST38h does not see what fireun's point is | 22:21 | |
| lcuk | the panning is very androidish | 22:22 |
| lcuk | its not very intuitive | 22:22 |
| fireun | RST38h: its not quite as pointless of an attempt | 22:22 |
| lcuk | it shows a great many things | 22:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: who knows how they intend to use panning at the end... | 22:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . Grievances forum. | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll self-implode fast. | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, its got quite reasonable performance | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i know, but wondering who needs clutter for modern UI :P | 22:42 |
| lcuk | clutter is an abstraction, the only thing we cannot do in a 2d ui effectively is rotation | 22:42 |
| pupnik | 2d rotation? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | yeah i said effectively lol | 22:45 |
| lcuk | it just makes things much more difficult and fonts look wrong without subpixel rendering and stuff | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew ClearType | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes my eyes bleed and gives me vertigo. | 22:46 |
| lcuk | then its setup incorrectly for your display :) | 22:46 |
| lcuk | you should use the cleartype config tool and make it work for your monitor :P | 22:46 |
| lcuk | but thats a totally different issue | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every single Windows machine I've ever used has made my eyes bleed. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something tells me it aint the monitors. | 22:46 |
| lcuk | thats windows itself, not cleartype :P | 22:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 22:47 | |
| lcuk | also, cleartype isnt for crt monitors | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I prefer OS X's font rendering. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | whats so special? | 22:48 |
| Firebird | hinting? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | no, direct question | 22:49 |
| Firebird | er.. what? | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It aims to replicate print | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not fuck the shit out of every glyph of every font it renders. | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, though, I want high enough PPI displays that it doesn't matter. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | wasnt aware it was so bad, ive never had a problem reading any computer text :S from spectrums up. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | on an integer grid the problem will always exist | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 600ppi and it aint no problem anymore. | 22:53 |
| pupnik | tfts make my eyes go wonky sometimes | 22:54 |
| pupnik | each eye getting a slightly diff image | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 22:54 |
| pupnik | just barely, but ... | 22:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles can barely see out of his right eye, so it doesn't matter. | 22:54 | |
| pupnik | i heard some folks only buy S-IPS because of that | 22:54 |
| lcuk | actually gan, it would be a problem | 22:54 |
| pupnik | not TN panels | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, cha-ching! | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, get a pirate patch! | 22:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, had one for a while. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | To try to correct it in elementary school. | 22:56 |
| pupnik | what cha-ching. did i say something true? | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, $$$$ | 22:57 |
| pupnik | ohhh yeah | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be nice to be able to afford IPS for all your displays, but. . . . | 22:57 |
| pupnik | my 22" crt from 2000 still works nice | 22:57 |
| pupnik | a bit thirsty on the electric tho | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a 17" SGI Trinitron from 1999. | 22:58 |
| pupnik | yeah trinitron / diamondtron . nice contrast due to the shadow mask | 23:00 |
| pupnik | also good red phosphors | 23:00 |
| lcuk | pupnik, at least you dont need to install a room heater | 23:00 |
| pupnik | stopped running my pcs. switched to laptops. PC only for 3d games now. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, aperture grille. :P | 23:01 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: im excited about new 3d drivers from nvidia. Soon we should get LCD projectors that can do 120hz for 60hz shutter glasses. | 23:07 |
| pupnik | if the mfgrs get off their butts | 23:08 |
| * RST38h does not want 3d stuff | 23:08 | |
| RST38h | absolutely not use for it =( | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3D is the future. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting for 3D to really take off in film. | 23:08 |
| pupnik | it does suck when you get cross-image ghosting (polarization schemes) or flicker (low speed shutterglasses) | 23:09 |
| pupnik | but supposedly nvidia 120hz shutterglasses work great | 23:09 |
| pupnik | just need a high bandwidth CRT | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want some holograms. | 23:09 |
| pupnik | too much information to generate realtime | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe a neural implant. | 23:10 |
| pupnik | we wont live to see that | 23:10 |
| RST38h | fortunately. | 23:10 |
| pupnik | if governments could outfit us with electronic eyes, theyd blind us all at birth. | 23:11 |
| pupnik | hows that for a dystopia... | 23:11 |
| pupnik | any young folks here? | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | government does not need to go that far | 23:12 |
| RST38h | it gets a chance to blind you during your school years | 23:12 |
| RST38h | for a proof, find some article with an overview of high school history programs in different countries | 23:12 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, is there a way to sync gpe without ssh access? | 23:35 |
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| hahlo | how? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | oli, parabolic dish pair, or pringles cans? | 23:58 |
| lbt | strong right arm? | 23:59 |
| oli | lcuk: ISP panel antenna <-> n800 | 23:59 |
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