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| GuySoft | zs1 i dont because it does not work there... i | 00:22 |
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| GuySoft | its an xmodmap fix | 00:22 |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: did 0.5.1 work for you? | 01:23 |
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| iMoose | hey folks! google has failed me, where do I get kismet from now that the .pl repository has gone? | 01:56 |
| oli | iMoose: wait a sec, i'll help you :) | 01:59 |
| iMoose | oli: nice, thanks! | 02:00 |
| iMoose | I'm sure I can get gpsd etc everything working, I just can't find the package for kismet. | 02:00 |
| oli | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25499 | 02:01 |
| oli | install libcap first, then kismet from deb | 02:01 |
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| iMoose | mmmm, tasty | 02:01 |
| iMoose | i will go do that :) | 02:01 |
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| iMoose | so far so good... | 02:11 |
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| iMoose | yay! happy and working. | 02:14 |
| iMoose | many thanks | 02:14 |
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| iMoose | i'll have to wait for my GPS to charge before I worry about gps support | 02:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, yeah. | 02:29 |
| lbt | good :) Let me know of any crashes etc - once asterisk sends my voicemails to my imap server I'll do multicolumn... | 02:30 |
| lbt | oh - and let me know if/when bugzilla is active | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should be active now | 02:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Shopper | 02:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, they even got Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/ | 03:12 |
| lpotter | hmmm | 03:13 |
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| lpotter | laptops.. right.. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the "new widget-based interface" | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., OS2007. . . . | 03:18 |
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| jaem | good morning | 03:27 |
| jaem | I've installed bash, and symlinked /bin/sh to /bin/bash, but my .bashrc isn't being read in when I start up the Maemo terminal emulator. Am I doing something wrong? | 03:28 |
| jaem | it works when I run /bin/bash manually, from an already open shell | 03:29 |
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| tank-man | how do you know it is bash that you first start | 03:38 |
| tank-man | and not busybox | 03:38 |
| jaem | well, I checked, and also, I deleted the symlink to busybox, and re-linked /bin/sh to bash | 03:38 |
| tank-man | how did you check? like with "help" and looking at the version? | 03:39 |
| jaem | to be honest, I can't remember, as it was last night that I was fiddling with it, but I'm quite certain it is | 03:41 |
| jaem | I was trying to append something to my $PATH, and add an alias | 03:41 |
| jaem | the prompt seems to be the one set in the .bashrc | 03:42 |
| jaem | but the $PATH and alias aren't set as they should be | 03:42 |
| jaem | if I open a terminal, and then run /bin/bash, everything goes as expected | 03:42 |
| tank-man | i vaguely remember reading something somewhere about not making a sym link like you did, cause of possible problems | 03:42 |
| tank-man | replacing busybox with bash | 03:42 |
| jaem | hmm... I was wondering. Did Nokia do something weird in their setup? | 03:43 |
| jaem | I couldn't find much information on replacing it on the N810 | 03:43 |
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| b-man | WOHOOOO!!!!!! Wireless is now working in Ubuntu on my tablet!!! :D :D :D XD ttp://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/Screenshot-9.png -- i'll be updating the ubuntu-n8x0 guide to include instructions as soon as i can :) | 04:02 |
| jaem | %11111000 !!!! | 04:03 |
| b-man | :D | 04:03 |
| jaem | hmmm... I was looking through my spam box in case something slipped through, and apparently I'm getting spam trying to sell me FPGAs | 04:04 |
| b-man | heh | 04:04 |
| jaem | then again, I am in engineering | 04:04 |
| jaem | but it's rather amusing | 04:04 |
| jaem | b-man: how's the performance and battery life for Ubuntu? | 04:05 |
| b-man | not too bad as long as you have powersave enabled :) | 04:06 |
| b-man | 2-3 hours for ubuntu with gnome) | 04:06 |
| jaem | is that light use, heavy use, or idle? | 04:07 |
| b-man | idle - 1-2 for heavy use | 04:07 |
| jaem | hmm... I suppose a quadruple-boot setup on a handheld wouldn't be too absurd for me | 04:07 |
| jaem | I may try it | 04:07 |
| b-man | it probiblly will have better performance with a lighter desktop ;) | 04:08 |
| jaem | yeah. I like LXDE | 04:08 |
| jaem | what sort of install method is needed for it? | 04:09 |
| b-man | for lxde? | 04:09 |
| jaem | for the Ubuntu install, I mean | 04:09 |
| b-man | for now, you will need to use the guide, however i'm working on an installer :) | 04:10 |
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| jaem | woah! I'm just watching the VMWare on N800 demo | 04:16 |
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| jaem | I would buy that. I hope it becomes available for a reasonable price | 04:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaem, that all seem suspiciously fast. | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The video rendering is just too smooth. | 04:20 |
| jaem | it admittedly does | 04:20 |
| jaem | but I doubt they'd demo something if they didn't think they could make it at least useable | 04:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm just wondering what the gimmick is. | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe they stuffed an RX-51 into an N800 case. :P | 04:21 |
| jaem | I've heard of phones using virtualization before, but not with OSes of that scale | 04:21 |
| jaem | haha | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, a Core 2 Duo machine doesn't even run Ubuntu that smoothly in VMWare. . . . | 04:22 |
| jaem | I haven't had many issues | 04:22 |
| jaem | although the only Ubuntu VM I have running right now is on a remote server, and there are some connection issues, so performance stinks | 04:23 |
| jaem | I find it hard to believe the spinning globe | 04:23 |
| jaem | but still, virtualization on the N8x0/N810+1 would be nice, in any case | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM is going to be an issue. | 04:24 |
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| jaem | b-man: is the wifi support available with updates after install, or do I have to wait for that? | 04:29 |
| b-man | you'll need to wait untill i update tablet-wireless if you want a deb install, however i'm posting instructions on the ubuntu-n8x0 guide right now :D | 04:30 |
| jaem | thanks! | 04:31 |
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| b-man | jaem: instructions are now available at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975&page=9 -- have fun!! :D | 04:34 |
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| jaem | b-man: where might I find debootstrap for Maemo? | 04:59 |
| jaem | oh never mind | 05:00 |
| jaem | I'm blind, apparently | 05:00 |
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| jaem | hrm... debootstrap on the Jaunty install is saying the package lists are corrupt | 05:22 |
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| sisto | hi | 05:23 |
| jaem | hello | 05:23 |
| sisto | using my brand new n810 | 05:24 |
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| sisto | :) | 05:24 |
| jaem | I was expecting a question, but smilies are always better :P | 05:24 |
| sisto | sup? | 05:24 |
| jaem | how do you like it? | 05:24 |
| sisto | it´s awesome! | 05:25 |
| jaem | indeed. I certainly like mine | 05:25 |
| sisto | useful and easy to use | 05:26 |
| sisto | do you know how to put it on idle mode? | 05:27 |
| jaem | if you mean like the "sleep' setting on Palms and similar, it doesn't have one | 05:27 |
| jaem | I'm not sure how it works exactly, but you can leave it on all day with no problem | 05:27 |
| jaem | heck - you can leave the wireless connected for a few days with no problem | 05:27 |
| sisto | yea. i think it goes into a sort of idle mode automatically | 05:28 |
| sisto | pretty cool | 05:28 |
| sisto | see ya | 05:30 |
| sisto | bed time now | 05:30 |
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| b-man16 | chatting in ubuntu and maemo :) | 06:01 |
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| FireFox3 | :) | 06:18 |
| FireFox2 | :) | 06:18 |
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| bef0rd | Hi | 06:19 |
| FireFox2 | hello | 06:19 |
| FireFox3 | XD | 06:20 |
| bef0rd | hi both of you | 06:21 |
| bef0rd | :P | 06:21 |
| bef0rd | http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone | 06:22 |
| bef0rd | :o | 06:22 |
| FireFox2 | i'm both FireFox2 and 3 | 06:22 |
| FireFox2 | XD | 06:22 |
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| FireFox2 | bef0rd: nice :) | 06:24 |
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| timelE61i | ping? | 06:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pong? | 06:55 |
| timelE61i | i'm finally fixing my l10n packages and need answers about some strings | 06:58 |
| timelE61i | "System Storage" or "System storage"? | 06:58 |
| timelE61i | Also, anyone remember which other strings i was supposed to fix? :) | 06:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia seems to prefer sentence case. | 06:59 |
| timelE61i | yeah, i've picked that | 06:59 |
| * timelE61i wonders how consistent they were | 07:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowing Nokia, probably not very. | 07:00 |
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| * timelE61i nods | 07:01 | |
| timelE61i | poor mer, it's been attacked a few times recently | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Attacked? | 07:01 |
| timelE61i | (things keep rebooting my laptop w/o my permission, and vmware isn't safely suspending mer) | 07:02 |
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| timelE61i | cute, ham-util is bashist | 07:03 |
| timelE61i | Is that fixed? | 07:03 |
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| ukatan | hi, what's the most recent diablo feature upgrade version? | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 47-3 | 07:29 |
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| StsN800 | http://osnews.com/story/21043/Dev_Phone_1_s_Market_Apps_Blocked_by_Google <- so much for unlocked android phones.. | 07:50 |
| * StsN800 hugs his tablet | 07:51 | |
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| befr0d_ | isn't it 43-7? | 08:07 |
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| timelE61i | ask bugzilla | 08:19 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here understand ham? | 08:19 |
| timelE61i | Sometimes it'll say things about requires/conflicts/required | 08:20 |
| timelE61i | I translated those to reference the package under question | 08:20 |
| timelE61i | However, am i wrong? Is the info about some random package? | 08:20 |
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| StsN800 | example please? | 08:23 |
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| timelE61i | dunno | 08:41 |
| timelE61i | Probably try mixing mer+diablo and installing games | 08:41 |
| timelE61i | Sadly i can't use x11 in my mer, which makes this hard | 08:41 |
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| * timelE61i eyes an error string suspiciously | 08:58 | |
| * Stskeeps eyes another work day | 09:00 | |
| neatojones | Neatojones doesn't have a working forward slash in Ubuntu right now...eye the remarks of those who are able to use use it with jealousy | 09:02 |
| * timelE61i chuckles | 09:03 | |
| timelE61i | got a mouse that can copy? | 09:03 |
| timelE61i | /set cmdchars , | 09:03 |
| timelE61i | Borrow that :) | 09:03 |
| neatojones | thats what I usually do | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: n810? | 09:04 |
| timelE61i | / is hard to use on most devices, and besides it interferes w/ pasting paths | 09:04 |
| * neatojones neatojones greatfully accepts the / | 09:04 | |
| neatojones | yes...n810 | 09:05 |
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| * neatojones steals the numbers from Stskeeps | 09:05 | |
| timelE61i | btw, you can usually steal a / from the browser | 09:05 |
| neatojones | i get my numbers from the calculator | 09:06 |
| timelE61i | Lol | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: got mer-HAL and xkb-data? | 09:06 |
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| neatojones | have a file with all of them in it | 09:06 |
| neatojones | I need to check the versions | 09:06 |
| neatojones | thought I had the hal from mer. might have the wrong xkb | 09:07 |
| neatojones | i update stuff sometimes without paying enough attention | 09:07 |
| * neatojones goes to check on versions | 09:07 | |
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| fireun | heh, yay wordwrap... "i update stuff sometimes without paying"... its ubuntu, what are you doing paying!? (; | 09:09 |
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| neatojones | it all worked in hildon. gnome messed it up | 09:09 |
| neatojones | lol | 09:09 |
| fireun | gnome has been known to mess up | 09:10 |
| fireun | when will we get enlightenment for nUbuntu? | 09:11 |
| fireun | [: | 09:11 |
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| neatojones | nUbuntu... | 09:11 |
| neatojones | lol | 09:11 |
| neatojones | why does the taphold never work until I'm tryingtohighlight and don't want it to... | 09:13 |
| neatojones | hal is mer1 there is an update available, but I have it pinned to avoid jaunty versions | 09:13 |
| fireun | yes. | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | 0.5.12~rc1+git20090120-0ubuntu1mer4 | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | and http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/x/xkeyboard-config/xkb-data_1.5-2ubuntu4mer2_all.deb | 09:14 |
| fireun | mmm, blueberries | 09:14 |
| neatojones | forcing now... | 09:15 |
| neatojones | fireun, did you get e going? | 09:16 |
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| timelE61i | sTs: can you fix alarmd? | 09:18 |
| timelE61i | (mer) | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | what about it? | 09:18 |
| timelE61i | It's bashist | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah, possible, i hope to switch to whatever fremantle has eventually though | 09:19 |
| Proteous | hmm | 09:19 |
| * neatojones updating...will report back with results of hal upgrade. | 09:19 | |
| Proteous | just found out that the default windows XP desktop picture was taking right near my house | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: you live inside a XP installation | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:20 |
| timelE61i | Stskeeps: bug 4148 | 09:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 09:20 |
| neatojones | fireun, I'm in enlightenment right now typing this | 09:21 |
| neatojones | illume is very nice | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: ta | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: someone really ought to run a bashism check on all maemo packages | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's automated tools for it | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | .,. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | 157 build dependancies (at least) to build apt. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's frightening. | 09:29 |
| sans | Stskeeps:qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that | 09:30 |
| sans | hi | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | sans: think you might have success with qmake in scratchbox but not necessarily on maemo | 09:30 |
| sans | so how to correct it | 09:31 |
| sans | :) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, not a qt developer :P | 09:31 |
| sans | qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that | 09:31 |
| sans | hello any help on this ::qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that | 09:32 |
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| timelE61i | sans: atm #maemo isn't really home to many qt devs | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | sans: i suspect you might be able to file a mail to maemo-developers or qt-maemo mailing list | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12_N800 | 09:34 |
| * timelE61i would suggest finding trolls | 09:34 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi Stskeeps | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: building apt natively and on x86 atm :P (i believe in crash testing :P) | 09:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ehehe, always a good plan :p | 09:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm seeing if this net-man-applet build worked | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | the one i did? | 09:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i've taken it, and in theory, added tap & hold | 09:37 |
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| neatojones | updated...still no Fn key | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: interesting | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: setxkbmap -print | 09:39 |
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| neatojones | xkb_keymap { | 09:40 |
| neatojones | xkb_keycodes { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)"}; | 09:40 |
| neatojones | xkb_types { include "complete"}; | 09:40 |
| neatojones | xkb_compat { include "complete"}; | 09:40 |
| neatojones | xkb_symbols { include "pc+us+inet(evdev)"}; | 09:40 |
| neatojones | xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)"}; | 09:40 |
| neatojones | }; | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's wrong | 09:40 |
| neatojones | hmm | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout us | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | and you restarted HAL and X and everything? | 09:41 |
| neatojones | yeah | 09:42 |
| neatojones | rebooted the tablet | 09:42 |
| neatojones | the xkb line now lists the nokia keyboard, but I need to restart | 09:43 |
| neatojones | brb | 09:43 |
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| contactramu | hello all | 09:54 |
| contactramu | when I run gtk application scratchbox using Xepher it is showing full screen where as when run as as standalone it showing properly | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | what SDK release? | 09:56 |
| contactramu | 4.1.2 | 09:56 |
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| neatojones | sigh..no joy. the xkb settings are reset to what i previously mentioned | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | weird | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | and you have HAL mer4? | 10:02 |
| neatojones | if I have scim installed can that affect it? | 10:03 |
| neatojones | it's part of gnome install | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | maybe you have to adjust keyboard settings | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | lshal | grep xkb.model | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: thoughtfix is now on "Nokia Sparrow" hype. :P | 10:06 |
| neatojones | input.xkb.model = 'pc105' (string) | 10:06 |
| neatojones | muh... | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have a N810 anymore in the office sorry | 10:07 |
| neatojones | thanks for trying. we'll figure it out | 10:07 |
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| neatojones | where is xkb.model stored? | 10:08 |
| neatojones | manual file edit? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | could you see if /usr/share/hal/policy/10osvendor (or something)/10-x11-keymap.fdi exists? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | if it does, get rid of it | 10:09 |
| neatojones | sure | 10:09 |
| Toba | uh why | 10:09 |
| Toba | oh | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Toba: because it has a rather facist way of going around things. Since it uses debian-setup-keyboard (or something) as a callout, and callouts are called after FDI evaluation, it screws up any kind of stuff FDI has detected regarding input.xkb.* | 10:11 |
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| Toba | you clearly know more about this topic than I | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | and replaces it with console-setup information | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i spent a day buried in that :P | 10:11 |
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| Toba | I'm the same way about something, I'm sure. | 10:11 |
| neatojones | done... | 10:12 |
| Toba | oh, right. mysql and its stupid policies re: tempfiles. | 10:12 |
| Toba | but that's a story for another day | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: it was there? :P | 10:12 |
| neatojones | it existed in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -L hal | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | is it in there? | 10:14 |
| neatojones | yep | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and it was called 10-x11-keymap.fdi? :P | 10:16 |
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| neatojones | yeah that is there | 10:17 |
| neatojones | rechecking installed version now | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | k, cos i don't have that in my deb :P | 10:17 |
| neatojones | I just deleted the whole directory | 10:17 |
| neatojones | You're definately right. I told it to install one and verified, but it seems to have installed the other... | 10:20 |
| neatojones | I don't get it | 10:20 |
| neatojones | will try again | 10:20 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:25 |
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| neatojones | I realize it makes no sense, but synaptic wouldn't let me install that version. had to do it old school...without a working keyboard | 10:38 |
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| jyro | is the fremantle device a laptop? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022503409.html | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | jyro: i'd say tablets are a mid-way between laptops and netbooks these days.. | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, embedded systems and netbooks | 10:40 |
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| jyro | may be nokia is trying to change defn of laptop making it comparable to cellphone in size | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | though, i wouldn't be that happy about fremantle on a laptop, but that's just me.. | 10:42 |
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| inz | jyro, in the tv show, O-P said (about laptops) "Never say never." and them something that they're constantly thinking of those (and probably everything else too) | 10:45 |
| jyro | hmm, press turns even a speculation into a news sometimes... | 10:46 |
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| inz | jyro, my own translation: Interviewer: "Will nokia make a mini laptop someday?" O-P: "Never say never. Of course we're looking at this business opportunity, even quite actively." | 10:50 |
| jyro | thanks inz | 10:51 |
| inz | For the finnish speaking: "Tekeekö Nokia joskus oman kannettavan, minikannettavan?" - "Ei koskaan pidä sanoa ei koskaan. Kyllä me totta kai katsomme tätäkin bisnesmahdollisuutta hyvinkin aktiivisesti." | 10:51 |
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| Mikho_ | what was the solution for "checking whether the C++ compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C++ compiled programs." when configuring for armel? | 10:56 |
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| neatojones | Stskeeps: still no Fn key. the right debs are installed now. and those commands seem to list the right keyboard | 10:58 |
| Mikho | Found the solution once, but forgot what it was | 10:59 |
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| Mikho | found it. Fixes the problem until next reboot by writing: sudo sh -c 'echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr' | 11:03 |
| Mikho | outside scratchbox | 11:03 |
| inz | Ahh, that | 11:04 |
| inz | I guess I was the first to run into that one, at least the first one to blog about it | 11:04 |
| Mikho | yes, I remember finding the solution from your blog | 11:05 |
| Mikho | was there a way to permanently fix it | 11:05 |
| inz | echo "vm.mmap_min_addr=4096" >> /etc/sysctl.d/20-scratchbox.conf | 11:06 |
| inz | Or something similar | 11:06 |
| inz | Or apt-get upgrade ;) | 11:06 |
| inz | Ahh, that won't do, it's wine that has fixed it for me | 11:07 |
| inz | And I have wine from some weird place. | 11:07 |
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| Mikho | ok, thanks for advice | 11:07 |
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| StsN800 | neatojones, not sure sorry, i have no idea about ubuntu ver | 11:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: Planet says there is a new version of Tracker, one to be used in Fremantle | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: You may want to put it into MeR to see how much it will drain the battery =) | 11:15 |
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| neatojones | Stskeeps...looks like I have a version of evdev from b-man repos..could that be the culprit? | 11:25 |
| neatojones | I'm trying to dload the mer version, but the repo appears to be down | 11:26 |
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| StsN800 | yeah, switch getting switched | 11:28 |
| StsN800 | and yes | 11:28 |
| StsN800 | evdev would make a difference | 11:28 |
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| neatojones | thanks | 11:29 |
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| neatojones | that must be it then. | 11:34 |
| neatojones | ...now if I could just figure out why the onscreen keyboard isn't working. | 11:35 |
| StsN800 | him? | 11:39 |
| StsN800 | thats a can of worms | 11:40 |
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| neatojones | huh? | 11:41 |
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| StsN800 | which on-screen kbd? | 11:43 |
| neatojones | StsN800: the enlightenment one. It's supposedly really nice, but I can't get it to show up on screen. | 11:44 |
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| neatojones | I need to drop in on their boards sometime when I get a chance | 11:45 |
| neatojones | i've really reserached it and can't find a reason why. No errors, no onscreen keyboard, nothing. | 11:47 |
| neatojones | I'm hoping someone else will eventually install enlightenment that actually has a clue and figures it out. :) | 11:48 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:49 |
| Mikho | would anyone know where the default pkgdatadir is defined in autotools? I'd like to write the DBUS service file .in file such as Exec=@pkgdatadir@/@filename_my_prog@, but the result after autoconf is Exec=@pkgdatadir@/my_prog | 11:49 |
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| Mikho | now, I could write AC_SUBST(pkgdatadir) in configure.ac, but at that point pkgdatadir doesnt seem to have a value yet | 11:50 |
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| zs1 | hi can i use ConIcConnectionStatus to check bluetooth connection? | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | neatojones: rep up again | 12:06 |
| neatojones | thanks | 12:06 |
| sans | hi | 12:11 |
| sans | Stskeeps:one issue in application an html page from net but it is not able to load images | 12:12 |
| sans | Stskeeps: any way | 12:13 |
| sans | application an html page from net but it is not able to load images | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | sans: sorry, no idea | 12:14 |
| sans | in my application an html page from net but it is not able to load images | 12:14 |
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| sans | timeIE61i:any idea for this issue n my application an html page from net but it is not able to load images | 12:17 |
| sans | Stskeeps : thanks | 12:18 |
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| * lcuk peeks in | 12:20 | |
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| sans | i am having one problem my application load an html page from net but it is not able to load images of that page it only shows text.any idea :) | 12:22 |
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| neatojones | StsN800: got it!!! it was indeed the evdev package from bman's ubuntu repo that caused the Fn key not towork | 12:27 |
| RST38h | sans: turn image loading on | 12:27 |
| neatojones | the Mer package got it going | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: thought so | 12:29 |
| neatojones | Thanks again for your help! | 12:30 |
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| zs1 | how can i get sbox_user_uid and sbox_user_gid? | 12:37 |
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| inz | zs1, why? | 12:39 |
| zs1 | i need to set up cpu transparency | 12:39 |
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| inz | zs1, well sbox_user_id is likely your user id (try command id); and gid is that of the sbox (grep sbox /etc/group) | 12:40 |
| zs1 | ok thanks | 12:41 |
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| sans | Stskeeps: in my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem | 12:43 |
| sans | In my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears any help?:) | 12:44 |
| * andre__ wonders if it's only timeless using "bread crumb" as a synonym for "tab" | 12:45 | |
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| sans | Stskeeps: any idea | 12:47 |
| sans | :) | 12:47 |
| sans | Stskeeps: any suggestions | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | Anyone who bought the $400 unlocked developer G1 is in for a nasty surprise: Google, citing piracy concerns, won't allow those handsets to access paid Marketplace apps. | 12:52 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 12:52 | |
| RST38h | Most Android phones download paid content to a private, hidden apps folder, inaccessible to the user. Thing is, as is stands, this normally inaccessible folder is accessible on the dev phones. Not only does this let people flat out copy and redistribute appsit enables a sort of app laundering scam, in which someone buys an app, copies it to another location, and gets a refund for the app | 12:53 |
| * RST38h giggles uncontrollably | 12:53 | |
| glass | hehe | 12:54 |
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| X-Fade | Security by obscurity, always a good scheme.. | 12:54 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Rather security by Unix file permissions :) | 12:54 |
| glass | haha yeah especially if you're running an 'open' os thats already rooted | 12:54 |
| * RST38h imagines a bunch of Google geeks in a meeting, saying in sorry voices "Well, we haven't thought about it" | 12:55 | |
| sans | ca anyone suggest in my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem | 12:58 |
| sans | can anyone suggest in my maemo emulator in the left side the web/world icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem | 12:59 |
| RST38h | sans: it means your sdk setup is somehow screwed | 13:00 |
| RST38h | something has not been installed, but that is normal for maemo sdk | 13:00 |
| sans | RST38h: so the solution is? | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | sans: disregard it, use real device. | 13:05 |
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| sans | Rst38h: thanks :) | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | Does anybody else have problems with Vagalume not playing tracks anymore? | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: WORKSFORME | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Weird, I get all kinds of connection errors. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i get those occasionally | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | I can't get any sound out of it atm. Weird. | 13:15 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo kozak | 13:19 |
| kozak | Hello Stskeeps! | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | kozak: http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.28-79d042a-oer12/ <- new kernel btw | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | (for beagle) | 13:20 |
| kozak | oh ! ok... these are debian packages! | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -i them, and then mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Linux" -d rootfs/vmlinuz bootfs/uImage to get a uImage | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | (uboot-tools or uboot-utils i think) | 13:22 |
| kozak | Oh ok i will try them out! thanks | 13:22 |
| kozak | Hows mer coming? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | this week? slow | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | been working mostly on the nokia 770 port | 13:23 |
| kozak | Oh ok | 13:23 |
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| glass | is mer usable on 770 currently? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | getting there slowly | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | got wifi working yesterday | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | 48mhz mmc kernel helps a lot :P | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | but a proper Xomap would help wonders, too :P | 13:36 |
| glass | hehe | 13:36 |
| glass | i got a 770 collecting dust.. thats why intrested | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | problems right now: takes too bloody long time booting, and the X driver lacks manual updates | 13:37 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: I'll try to release a fixed version of vagalume today | 13:38 |
| _berto_ | apparently they changed something in the streaming service | 13:38 |
| _berto_ | and some 3rd-party clients are broken (that I know: rhythmbox, vagalume, canola and banshee) | 13:39 |
| wjt | does anyone else think Vagalume is kind of unfortunately named? :) | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Ah, so at least it isn't me ;) | 13:43 |
| _berto_ | wjt: it's very difficult to choose a word that sounds ok in all languanges :) | 13:44 |
| _berto_ | wjt: for what it's worth, vagalume is usually chosen as one of the most beautiful words in my language | 13:45 |
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| wjt | _berto_: fair enough :) | 13:46 |
| _berto_ | that's not the only case anyway: mamona doesn't sound exactly good to spanish speakers :) | 13:46 |
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| wjt | oh, heh :) | 13:47 |
| wjt | I guess this is why large software companies employ people to do multinational market research | 13:48 |
| RST38h | and smart people just make abbreviations without vowels | 13:49 |
| RST38h | ;) | 13:49 |
| _berto_ | yes, I know of some cars that have different names in their spanish version | 13:49 |
| _berto_ | (e.g mitsubishi pajero) | 13:50 |
| parazitus | hm, that's interesting :) and what cars? | 13:50 |
| _berto_ | (pajero in spanish means more or less "wanker") | 13:51 |
| RST38h | beautiful | 13:51 |
| RST38h | Chevy Nova too | 13:51 |
| glass | they sold nova in mexico | 13:52 |
| glass | and had/have a gasoline brand named somewhat similar too | 13:52 |
| MikaT | I bet many people would buy Mitsubishi in Finland, if it would be called "Mitsubishi Runkkari" (runkkari == wanker) | 13:52 |
| inz | That would be cool | 13:53 |
| inz | It should consume gasoline/petrol faster than a airliner | 13:54 |
| inz | +n | 13:54 |
| MikaT | _berto_ I noticed Last.fm "connection errors" too with Vagalume, but their own client suffers it too. | 13:54 |
| RST38h | glass: afaik, no-va means something like no-go in spanish but I may be wrong | 13:54 |
| glass | RST38h: yes it does | 13:54 |
| _berto_ | MikaT: hmm, I see nothing strange with their official client | 13:54 |
| glass | RST38h: but still they sold it, it's an urban myth that they changed name | 13:54 |
| _berto_ | MikaT: in fact i'm using vagalume from SVN trunk and it works fine | 13:54 |
| glass | RST38h: it's pronounced quite differently apparently | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Can I test that package ;) | 13:55 |
| MikaT | _berto_: Ok, letme try that too... | 13:55 |
| _berto_ | yes, no-va means "doesn't go" in spanish but "nova" is a fairly common latin word here | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timelE61i | 13:55 |
| timelE61i | hI | 13:56 |
| _berto_ | most people wouldn't notice the nova <=> no va thing | 13:56 |
| _berto_ | however, pajero is too obvious | 13:56 |
| RST38h | glass: well, this stuff even occurs in English, with English speaking carmakers | 13:57 |
| RST38h | glass: Pontiac Fiero had a very ..mmm... proper name for example | 13:57 |
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| _berto_ | they also used different names for sega genesis/megadrive, but I don't think it had anything to do with bad-sounding words | 13:58 |
| tank-man | "it enables a sort of app laundering scam, in which someone buys an app, copies it to another location, and gets a refund for the app" <-- Where can you get refunds for used software, especially software bought on a phone | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | tank-man: Android? | 14:00 |
| tank-man | yea , refering to what RST38h said above | 14:00 |
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| tank-man | 1hr ago :P | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | tank-man: i utterly think Android is a joke after ADP1 suddenly can't use app store. | 14:00 |
| monkeyiq | anyone able to send files to an n810 over bluetooth? or browse obex with obexftp from the n810? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | monkeyiq: i send n810 files regulary | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | er, n800 | 14:03 |
| monkeyiq | Stskeeps; send too the n800? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:03 |
| monkeyiq | Stskeeps; I can send from it but not too :/ | 14:03 |
| monkeyiq | ah ok, using a command like obexftp -b $FOO_BT --put dfdf.txt on the sending machine? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | actually it was from a cellphone | 14:04 |
| glass | RST38h: i kinda fancy the pontiac fiero.. not with stock engine but anyways. of the pontiacs anyways... | 14:04 |
| tank-man | maybe that bluetooth setting that makes your device discoverable is off | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Nokia has plans to put Symbian onto laptop computers, with the vendor predicting converged devices were likely to appear in as little as five years from now. | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Sounds like a distorted echo of the Sparrow-based hw news | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 14:04 |
| glass | yeah | 14:04 |
| glass | probably | 14:04 |
| glass | idiot analysing | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | or the "Nokia Sparrow" | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | which certainly has featers.. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | +h | 14:05 |
| RST38h | well, let us see what the guysays | 14:05 |
| monkeyiq | Stskeeps; ah ok. excellent, I just sent one from the e71 -> n810, so it seems to work, just not from the desktop | 14:06 |
| tank-man | sounds like a nokia conspiracy | 14:08 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/nokia_laptops/ <--- pure speculation based on a single quote from the CEO | 14:08 |
| tank-man | better than mac fans that make up rumors based on nothing :) | 14:09 |
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| MikaT | _berto_: confirmed, Vagalume from svn seems to work at least now. | 14:12 |
| * RST38h considers spreading some false mac rumors just to get poor suckers into a frenzy | 14:12 | |
| tank-man | "We are looking very actively also at this opportunity," Kallasvuo said, when asked whether Nokia plans to make laptops. | 14:13 |
| tank-man | that doesnt sound like pure speculation | 14:13 |
| _berto_ | MikaT: great | 14:13 |
| glass | tank-man: it does sound like speculation | 14:13 |
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| _berto_ | MikaT: but I wonder why the official app fails for you | 14:13 |
| glass | tank-man: especially if you'd count a n810 in a clamshell as a laptop | 14:13 |
| glass | at what point would it become a "netbook"? | 14:14 |
| aquatix | i'd say that is a netbook | 14:14 |
| oli | when it reach 7" diameter :) | 14:14 |
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| aquatix | or would it be an unetbook? | 14:14 |
| MikaT | _berto_: I don't know either. Just tried it this morning, and it gave similar errors than Vagalume. | 14:14 |
| aquatix | some ultra- | 14:14 |
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| _berto_ | MikaT: I'm using 1.5.1.something and I've never seen anything strange | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: try "Nokia takes over Apple phone division, replacing iPhone OS with Symbian" :P | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: it has to be credible enough to work | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: Android on iPhone? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
| oli | btw, what about iphone linux? | 14:17 |
| MikaT | _berto_: Yep, mine is 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-1ubuntu too, but just tried it this morning. | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | oli: haven't seen much progress i think | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Apple licensing iPhone OS to HTC will make a good rumor | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: true | 14:18 |
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| _berto_ | MikaT: anyway, I'll try to release a fixed version when I have some minutes | 14:19 |
| _berto_ | thx | 14:19 |
| MikaT | _berto_: Still happening (in "official" client): "There was a problem contacting the radio streamer. Please try again later." and "Http error: server closed connection unexpectedly". | 14:20 |
| _berto_ | hum | 14:20 |
| _berto_ | that's weird | 14:20 |
| _berto_ | :) | 14:20 |
| MikaT | _berto_: But Vagalume works, so everything is ok :) | 14:20 |
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| MikaT | _berto_: Btw, Last.fm site gets confused easily by changing clients or scrobblers at fast pace. | 14:21 |
| MikaT | _berto_: My profile now says "Listening now using Last.fm Scrobbler", but I'm definitely using Vagalume :) The song is correct. | 14:22 |
| _berto_ | MikaT: if you have them working at the same time, yes. if now, they should work fine | 14:22 |
| _berto_ | MikaT: ah, that might be true | 14:22 |
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| MikaT | _berto_: No, I didn't use them at the same time. I closed another and started another. | 14:23 |
| MikaT | _berto_: ...and now after a few refreshing, it's correct again. | 14:24 |
| _berto_ | :) | 14:25 |
| _berto_ | good | 14:25 |
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| _berto_ | lunch tiem! | 14:27 |
| _berto_ | lunch time! | 14:27 |
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| guysoft42 | hi all, yesterday i turned my nokia off and it was fine, today when i wanted to boot to my flash it just reboots on the flashscreen. is there a way to troubleshoot the boot problem? | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | happen to have bootmenu with usb network recovery? | 14:35 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, yes | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: go check if your / ran out of space, mount it in the usb network recovery telnet | 14:50 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, i also have an os working not in the flash | 14:50 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, nope, i have 600MB free | 14:50 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, saw that was common in google | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | uh | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | 600M in the internal flash? :P | 14:51 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, yes.. its a nokia N810, i mean the extra one | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: when i say internal flash i mean internal flash, not internal mmc | 14:53 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, the internal flash is also fine, i am in it now, i thought i might try reinstall the bootmenu , its mentioned in penguinbait | 14:54 |
| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, is there a way to stop the bootsplash so i see where it dies? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | in maemo? nop | 14:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | Can't you drop into a shell from grub? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: no grub on tablets :P | 14:57 |
| jeremiah_ | Ah. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | (i wish there were though.) | 14:57 |
| jeremiah_ | Is the boot process then a Nokia thing? In the sense that Nokia has written software for it? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:57 |
| jeremiah_ | I thought that might be the case. | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | NOLO -> x-loader -> kernel (rootfs=initfs) -> rootfs | 14:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Is that entire chain proprietary? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | we can replace the last 2 | 14:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Okay, cool. | 14:58 |
| jeremiah_ | (Is that what mer does?) | 14:59 |
| jeremiah_ | Replace the last two? | 14:59 |
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| AStorm | :) | 14:59 |
| AStorm | do you know of a way to make nokia connection manager support usb ethernet connections? | 15:00 |
| AStorm | you know, g_ether | 15:00 |
| d-fens_ | hi guys, didn't understood it - is this also a kmplayer chan? | 15:00 |
| guysoft42 | if i am on the internal flash, is there a way to simulate a boot in chroot or something | 15:00 |
| guysoft42 | what i really need is a way to detect what is worng.. | 15:00 |
| d-fens_ | or where to bug kmplayer upstream then | 15:00 |
| jeremiah_ | guysoft42: Are there logs in /var/log? | 15:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Perhaps you have already checked that . . . | 15:01 |
| guysoft42 | jeremiah_, let me have a look | 15:01 |
| jeremiah_ | If there are logs, look at syslog. | 15:02 |
| jeremiah_ | And messages, if that is present. | 15:02 |
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| jeremiah_ | You might also want to look at dmesg | 15:02 |
| AStorm | guysoft42, just get a correct initfs | 15:02 |
| AStorm | and you can boot anything | 15:02 |
| jeremiah_ | AStorm: So you suspect the initfs is corrupt? | 15:03 |
| AStorm | no | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | I have no idea, I have not diagnosed this problem myself, | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | just trying to help out. :) | 15:03 |
| AStorm | I mean guysoft42 can boot any dir via initfs | 15:03 |
| guysoft42 | there seems to be in /var/log only something from fontconfig.log | 15:03 |
| guysoft42 | jeremiah_, no, it boots fine in to my internal system, i think its something i installed | 15:04 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, the boot passes the loading blue bar at the bottom, what stage is that? | 15:08 |
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| jeremiah_ | guysoft42: Aha. | 15:24 |
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| udovdh | how can dpkg show which package a file belongs to? | 15:43 |
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| mmc | -S | 15:43 |
| udovdh | danke! | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: well, we (currently) use a bootmenu which is basically a patcher for initfs | 15:43 |
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| udovdh | and what is the differens between osso-gpsd and libgps in OpenEmbedded? | 15:43 |
| udovdh | both provide a libgps | 15:44 |
| AStorm | some patches, supposedly? | 15:44 |
| udovdh | ok... | 15:44 |
| udovdh | why does dpkg not know about certain packages even when i enabled red pill mode? | 15:45 |
| AStorm | which ones? | 15:45 |
| udovdh | update-rc.d | 15:45 |
| AStorm | dpkg is always in red pill ;> | 15:46 |
| udovdh | certain libraries | 15:46 |
| udovdh | etc | 15:46 |
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| udovdh | dpkg is broken as hell if what I experience is the norm | 15:46 |
| udovdh | no insult meant | 15:46 |
| AStorm | not dpkg, but rather maemo ;p | 15:46 |
| AStorm | (your version) | 15:46 |
| udovdh | as well, yes! | 15:46 |
| udovdh | really hush hush job | 15:46 |
| AStorm | meaning someone installed things by hand | 15:46 |
| udovdh | as long as it looks pretty it is ok | 15:46 |
| udovdh | oh. | 15:47 |
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| udovdh | also some system libs? | 15:47 |
| AStorm | yes, possible | 15:47 |
| AStorm | try mer, it doesn't have this problem | 15:47 |
| udovdh | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810#Installation see first attamept there | 15:47 |
| udovdh | a number of stuff is a dependency | 15:47 |
| udovdh | most of it *IS* on the system | 15:47 |
| udovdh | which n810 distro doesn't suffer from these issues? | 15:47 |
| AStorm | mer, again (but you get to make a gpsdriver package) | 15:48 |
| udovdh | mer? | 15:48 |
| AStorm | mer is based on mobile ubuntu | 15:48 |
| AStorm | .mer | 15:48 |
| udovdh | I must build navit with the same gpslib stuff as is on the n810 | 15:48 |
| udovdh | then dpkg might not complain? | 15:49 |
| udovdh | ubuntu is also apt-get/dpkg? | 15:49 |
| AStorm | most likely | 15:49 |
| udovdh | that is my approach | 15:49 |
| AStorm | yeah... stupid question | 15:49 |
| udovdh | because when I do an apt-get -f install | 15:49 |
| udovdh | to fix the dependency stuff it keeps complaining about | 15:49 |
| udovdh | even though I forced stuff | 15:49 |
| udovdh | and it even works... | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: not based on ubuntu mobile :P it's based on ubuntu jaunty, but not any part of u-m (except hildon-icons..) | 15:49 |
| udovdh | then it proposes to delete half of the system! | 15:49 |
| udovdh | thanks | 15:50 |
| udovdh | will do a fresh build... | 15:51 |
| AStorm | (in scratchbox ofc) | 15:51 |
| udovdh | no scratchbox | 15:51 |
| udovdh | this is an OE attempt | 15:51 |
| udovdh | and when I reboot | 15:51 |
| udovdh | I have to reinsert my sd card? | 15:51 |
| udovdh | to get it mounted? | 15:51 |
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| AStorm | udovdh: no,why? | 15:53 |
| udovdh | because OE also works for my HP ipaq H2210 | 15:54 |
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| udovdh | and I would not want to install extra stuff when OE also works | 15:57 |
| pupnik | quick! | 15:57 |
| udovdh | open question: what stuff does scratchbox provide that OE can't do, spcicially for building stuff? | 15:57 |
| udovdh | btw: how do I kill the wifi from the cli? | 15:58 |
| udovdh | just to save some battery? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: OE is focused exclusively on cross-compiling, and Scratchbox admits there are some cross-compilation scenarios that cannot work without binary emulation | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | (AFAIK) | 15:58 |
| udovdh | emulation? | 15:58 |
| udovdh | hmmm. no expert there, but if I cna build navit... :-) | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | i gave up on the maemo platform as it is now, personally :P | 16:00 |
| udovdh | hmmm I am about to | 16:00 |
| udovdh | just propose a sane(r) alternative | 16:00 |
| udovdh | and with some time I can make the switch | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | well, Mer, in time. :P | 16:05 |
| udovdh | ETA? | 16:06 |
| udovdh | fwiw: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Ångström | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | as it goes, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer for progress | 16:07 |
| udovdh | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810 | 16:07 |
| udovdh | thanks | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | test out the vmdk i guess | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | why Navit and not maemo mapper, btw? | 16:08 |
| udovdh | where do I get extra maps for mapper? | 16:08 |
| udovdh | I was already running navit on ipaq | 16:08 |
| udovdh | as an upcoming tomtom alternative | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | fetching them through the downloader, for instance :P | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | or adding google maps or other map repositories | 16:09 |
| udovdh | just wanted slightly better hardware | 16:09 |
| udovdh | google maps for routing? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | true, not so easy | 16:09 |
| udovdh | openstreepmap.org | 16:09 |
| udovdh | not perfect but a good project | 16:09 |
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| udovdh | where can I find libdbus for latest maemo? | 16:11 |
| udovdh | or can I downgrade/install it using apt-get? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | libdbus should be fairly up to date, afaik | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | and the latest for your OS release is in the SDK release for it | 16:12 |
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| udovdh | Stskeeps, yes, but I overwrote it with the one I built in OE | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 16:13 |
| udovdh | starting the whole dpkg madness | 16:13 |
| udovdh | so I want to make it as it was | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install --reinstall | 16:13 |
| udovdh | and then build navit with libs deps with same versions | 16:13 |
| udovdh | and that will overwrite a newer version? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 16:13 |
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| udovdh | see | 16:14 |
| udovdh | http://pastebin.com/d1191c3cb | 16:14 |
| udovdh | it needs help | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -i the old dbus-glib? | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | but honestly, things like this is why i am not fond of maemo OS as it is right now. | 16:15 |
| udovdh | Stskeeps, can I have dpkg/apt-get show the url for libdbus? | 16:17 |
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| udovdh | so I cna install it by hand? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: apt-cache search | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | lo VDVsx | 16:17 |
| VDVsx | hi Stskeeps | 16:17 |
| udovdh | no url, just description? | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: apt-cache show PKG | 16:18 |
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| udovdh | Stskeeps, thanks, bo url.. will gogole now | 16:19 |
| udovdh | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/d/dbus/ | 16:19 |
| udovdh | tadaa! done... pfew... :-) | 16:21 |
| udovdh | hmmm... | 16:23 |
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| Jaffa | lo maddler! | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: thumbs up on the kernel gsoc idea, very good idea :) | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: but maybe it's easier to target -omap instead of mainline? | 16:35 |
| thopiekar | problems after reinstalling mcalender in the n800.de-forum ... http://pastebin.com/d1f61d11b | 16:37 |
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| VDVsx | grrr, my debian/rules file isn't working :( | 17:06 |
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| VDVsx | I have a rule to copy a sudoers file to /etc/sudoers.d/ but the file isn't copied | 17:06 |
| VDVsx | how offer me a hand testing a package ? :) | 17:07 |
| udovdh | hello | 17:07 |
| udovdh | is there a trick to tell dpkg that a certain package is installed when it isn't at this time, according to dpkg? | 17:08 |
| udovdh | (but the files ARE on the filesystem) | 17:08 |
| udovdh | See http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_OpenEmbedded_for_n810#Installation | 17:09 |
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| udovdh | difference between first and second block is by building dbus-1-3 1.0.2 instead of 1.0.3 on OE | 17:09 |
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| udovdh | now I built gpsd as well with the right libgps.so.15.whatever | 17:10 |
| udovdh | but a few things remain that are installed on the n810 | 17:10 |
| udovdh | but dpkg doesn't know about them | 17:10 |
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| mgedmin | VDVsx: I can take a look at your debian/rules | 17:13 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, starts here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/releases/0.2/?root=bluemaemo (not a autotools project) | 17:14 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, the strange thing here, it that the version 0.1 deb works fine and now doesn't work anymore | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | ... looks ok | 17:18 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, everthing works except the sudoers file that isn't copied in my system :( | 17:20 |
| VDVsx | if I run as superuser the app works | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | aaaugh garage gives me a nicely html-formatted page for the .diff.gz | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | I can't wget it easily | 17:22 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, can you try to install the package ? | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | just built the .devb | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | grr my mc is sorting by filename extension | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | no, by size | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | well, the .deb does contain /etc/sudoers.d/bluemaemo.sudoers | 17:27 |
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| mgedmin | VDVsx: it's a bad idea for the .deb to contain files in /home/user! | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | when you uninstall, these will be removed | 17:28 |
| VDVsx | here I put user config files ? | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | /home/user is a good place for the config files | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | but the deb shouldn't claim ownership | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | typically the program creates a default config file on startup (or when the user explicitly saves settings) | 17:29 |
| VDVsx | humm, ok | 17:29 |
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| mgedmin | or you have a default config file in /etc and a dotfile in ~/ overrides that | 17:30 |
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| mgedmin | the .deb looks as if it should correctly update the sudoers file :/ | 17:31 |
| * mgedmin tries dpkg -i | 17:32 | |
| mgedmin | dependency problems, I don't have python2.5-edje, evas, ecore, efl-core etc.... | 17:32 |
| * mgedmin apt-get install -f | 17:32 | |
| mgedmin | wants to remove osso-software-version-rx44, why? | 17:32 |
| VDVsx | I think they are in extras | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, does this version enable the bluetooth if not enabled? :) | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, yup | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | Wicked, thanks :) | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, strange | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Because the package conflicts with the strict deps of o-s-v? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | could be some other deb I installed for testing purposes | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | metalayer-crawler0_1.3.19-3_armel.deb is rather starting at me from my /media/mmc1 | 17:34 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, but the .deb is a little bit broken right know :) | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Or install osv-unlocked. | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | yup, osso-software-version-rx44: Depends: metalayer-crawler0 (= 1.3.19-2) but 1.3.19-3 is to be installed | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | W: Unable to locate package osv-unlocked | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, heh, is it mainly the sudoers thing? :) | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin, osso-software-version-rx4-unlocked | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | s/4/44/ | 17:35 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: mgedmin, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked | 17:35 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, yup, the sudoers file isn't copied :( | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: http://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | VDVsx: when I open your bluemaemo_0.2-1_armel.deb from garage with gdebi, I also see etc/sudoers.d/bluemaemo.sudoers inside | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | will test if the postinst script does its job now | 17:37 |
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| mgedmin | "Updating Sudoers" was duly echo'ed | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/bluemaemo is in my /etc/sudoers | 17:37 |
| VDVsx | so I broke something in my system | 17:38 |
| VDVsx | :( | 17:38 |
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| mgedmin | now this is a deb I dpkg-buildpackage'd myself from the .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz I just downloaded from garage | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | I could test the .deb from garage too, if you want? | 17:38 |
| VDVsx | mgedmin, yes, please :) | 17:38 |
| * mgedmin curses the wget-unfriendly garage browser again | 17:39 | |
| mgedmin | seems to work | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | unless it's the leftover from the earlier, working, package | 17:40 |
| * mgedmin tries apt-get remove bluemaemo | 17:40 | |
| * mgedmin also does rm /etc/sudoers.d/bluemaemo.sudoers && update-sudoers | 17:41 | |
| mgedmin | and now dpkg -i again | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | bingo | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | fail | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | grep bluemaemo /etc/sudoers is empty | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | /etc/sudoers.d/bluemaemo is not there | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | strange | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | oh! | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | I know! | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | dpkg!!! | 17:42 |
| inz | mgedmin, do dpkg --purge and then reinstall | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | dpkg conffile management | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | it sees that I manually rm'ed a conffile, it thinks I want it gone forever | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | that could explain VDVsx's problems too | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | yes I removed the bluemaemo.sudoers file too | 17:43 |
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| mgedmin | btw, "dpkg - warning: while removing bluemaemo, directory `/home/user' not empty so not removed." is a scary message | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | debs shouldn't claim /home/user | 17:43 |
| VDVsx | I gonna change that :) | 17:43 |
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| VDVsx | now I have the sudoers file updated correctly but the app fails when need superuser privileges :( | 17:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Are you trying to run bluemaemo as root or certain commands, run by bluemaemo, as root? | 17:57 |
| maddler | jaffa! | 17:57 |
| udovdh | anotther question: | 17:58 |
| udovdh | how do i get gpsd started for the internal gps of the n810? | 17:58 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, certain commands inside bluemaemo need root prev | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Your sudoers file is wrong then, that only allows bluemaemo to be ran as root | 17:59 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, the strange thing is that I have the same setup of the first version | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Ofc, if bluemaemo is ran as root, any subsequent commands ran from bluemaemo would be ran as root but I don't know if bluemaemo is running as root or user | 18:00 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, is run as user, "python /usr/lib/...bluemaemo" | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, then the sudoers file is having little effect as you only have a rule to run bluemaemo as root | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | *not* the commands you want bluemaemo to run as root | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, but its exactly the same commands as the first version of bluemaemo | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Which don't seem to be working for this version. | 18:03 |
| RST38h | kaboom. | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | Bell Canada is charging $.15CAD for a Twitter message | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Isn't that sweet? | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | arm/linux based open-source robot helicopter sentries http://ng.uavp.ch/moin/Features | 18:15 |
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| RST38h | deadly green lasers? | 18:18 |
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| RST38h | no deadly lasers - FAIL. | 18:19 |
| lcuk | did you see the crocodiles with magnets. that would make an impressive turret base | 18:20 |
| RST38h | yea, that's a good idea | 18:20 |
| lcuk | i think the same principle would work with sharks | 18:21 |
| RST38h | remote controlled (via GSM) crocodile with a laser turret | 18:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no, there are problems with radio waves in water | 18:21 |
| RST38h | + a shark will have less targets | 18:21 |
| lcuk | you could give the shark an offline map device | 18:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have you seen the famous FL picture of python vs croc? | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | but you might be right, possibly dolphins or whales would be better, they can get bearings every few minutes when they resurface | 18:22 |
| lcuk | no rst | 18:23 |
| RST38h | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Apparently a few pet pythons ran away from their owners and found FL swamps comfortable | 18:23 |
| lcuk | ohhhh yes, i remember that one | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Everglades is a wild, wild place =) | 18:24 |
| lcuk | yeah, teres lots of things out there | 18:25 |
| lcuk | crap, speaking of wild animals, customer on phone, bbl | 18:25 |
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| _berto_ | is there something wrong with the autobuilder ? I uploaded vagalume 0.7.1 a few ago and it compiled fine, but it's not in extras-devel yet | 18:37 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: is customer trying to swallow you whole? =) | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | 8001 is a Mac? :P | 19:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, GAN8001 is my 3rd nick that this machine fell back to when GeneralAntilles got kicked at some point last night. :P | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:02 |
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| fauxmight | Wow, and I thought I was oblivious. I've been lurking here mostly for months, and only just figured out GAN was you. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: it took me quite a while too | 19:03 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: most of those drivers have already been in linux-omap (tony cleaned them out at some point) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:07 |
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| * Stskeeps will be happy to see any kernel progress | 19:08 | |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, if you want to be able to actually use rox-filer (if you installed it), replace /usr/bin/rox (after installing that deb) with: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/rox.tar.bz2 (toolbar hildonized, fullscreen added & mapped right click function to menu button) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: thumbs up on apt btw | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | It works sanely? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | you can mark it 100% | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | didn't test x86 yet but i will | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, I'll make the patch a quilt one. | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, time to promote maemoorg-splash and athf-splash yet? | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12 can vouch for athf-splash (without being biased, I promise) | 19:11 | |
| Stskeeps | athf? | 19:12 |
| Proteous | aqua teen hunger force | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Promoting. . . . | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, looked at e2fsprogs yet? :P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Nope :P. IIRC, the chinook version was uploaded by me so I could upload cfdisk & parted... but I never tested (having a tablet that has diablo and all..). I've got e2fsprogs installed on the tablet currently, lemme remove and test | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, 770 wifi \o/ | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: w00t | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Please, please, add it to extras! | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, maybe, if it works somewhat ok :P | 19:22 |
| RST38h | qwerty: if the right button issue is solved, it should work, right? | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Sure, but its a quick job | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | s/its/it's/ | 19:24 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Sure, but it's a quick job | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | that would be the first fully usable file manager | 19:26 |
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| Proteous | fully usable file managers are for n00bs | 19:34 |
| Proteous | real men like pain and suffering | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | ~torture Proteous | 19:35 |
| * infobot forces Proteous to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. | 19:35 | |
| Proteous | heh | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | No. He's not a real man. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | ~cuddle Proteous | 19:35 |
| * infobot grabs Proteous and cuddles until Proteous begs for mercy | 19:35 | |
| Proteous | gah | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, diablo version from extras-devel installed fine in red pill mode from h-a-m. Although you have a quite a few libs from the e2fsprogs section to promote too :) | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Test it first, hit me with the problems and maybe then it can be decided if it's actually usable :) | 19:36 |
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| VDVsx | mgedmin, thanks for your help, you resolved my problem :) | 20:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, circle _feed_? :P | 20:17 |
| t_s_o | i was pondering a more "common" variant... | 20:18 |
| t_s_o | but something told me the automated sensurship would pick that up... | 20:18 |
| * Stskeeps ponders of some creative use of the ipaq 3630 | 20:18 | |
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| * t_s_o wonders what use he can find for his newly acquired eeepc 900 | 20:20 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what res is your 3630 | 20:21 |
| timeless | hey, does mer work in Xen -pv ? :) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: no clue, does it boot normal linux kernels? :P | 20:22 |
| timeless | well, i think it wants a pv driver somewhere | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | what really takes to get mer running is running kernel, a solid root fs and a xorg supported device | 20:22 |
| timeless | http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/setup-vnc-on-ubuntu-hardy-pv-domu-at-solaris-nevada-dom0-build-98/ | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i kinda wish i could get xen working on my nexenta install | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | my backup server has a lot of unused resources | 20:23 |
| timeless | my nexenta is in the middle of being retired | 20:24 |
| timeless | could you try to help me to setup Mer w/ pv? :) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | figure out if ubuntu has a kernel package for it and it should be pretty trivia | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | (it looks like it) | 20:25 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: ? | 20:25 |
| timeless | sorry, debian/ubuntu confuse me too much, i'm asking for help :) | 20:25 |
| timeless | (this is from someone who actually did debootstrap nexenta into snv) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:26 |
| timeless | note: i believe my box is not hvm enabled, otherwise there are a bunch of tutorials which should work | 20:26 |
| timeless | i'll at some point reboot the box and poke bios a bit | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | so what does it boot, a filesystem or a disk image? | 20:27 |
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| timeless | i think it can probably pick | 20:28 |
| timeless | i'd probably rather give it a disk image | 20:28 |
| timeless | remember i do have a vmdk w/ a Mer | 20:28 |
| timeless | (albeit a fairly lame mer) | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, it looks a little like they dropped xen for kvm | 20:29 |
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| timeless | i guess i'd want to take my mer and install vnc*server | 20:30 |
| timeless | (and xinetd) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, should be trivial, grab x11vnc i gues | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | s | 20:31 |
| timeless | oh, yeah, so, linux-image-xen is the key bit | 20:31 |
| timeless | and you're saying that's dead? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, they are endorsing KVM it seems | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | since intrepid or something | 20:32 |
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| hahlo | hi, diablo said, setupterm() failed for TERM=xterm: 0 what it means by that? | 20:32 |
| * timeless wonders if grub can autodetect xen | 20:33 | |
| Stskeeps | so it seems like a bit of a dead end currently | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | hahlo: which command said that? | 20:34 |
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| hahlo | mgedmin: irssi | 20:35 |
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| mgedmin | maybe you don't have the terminfo library installed | 20:35 |
| mgedmin | I think it comes with the ncurses-base package | 20:35 |
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| hahlo | thanks | 20:36 |
| VDVsx | who is the responsible(s) for upload to extras invitations ? | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | think X-Fade does them | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade | 20:43 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, when you have some time, accept my request (if possible) :) | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, when was it sent? | 20:48 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ~2-3 h, I think | 20:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, turnaround time is usually a day. :P | 20:52 |
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| Macer_ | great | 21:00 |
| Macer_ | people have started to charge for shitty apps on the android market | 21:00 |
| Macer_ | lol | 21:00 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ah ok, didn't know :) | 21:01 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I thought more that one person have access to that (including you :) ) | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, well, they could, but I'd just as soon let X-Fade do all the work. :P | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | why does google offer https pages by default to maemo wiki | 21:03 |
| lcuk | i just tried searching mer 0.8 | 21:03 |
| oli | ask them :) | 21:04 |
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| Macer | lcuk: because they are an evil conglomerate bent on world domination starting with their search engine | 21:14 |
| lcuk | its 1 link though lol | 21:15 |
| lcuk | the others arent | 21:15 |
| Macer | doesn't it always start out small? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | i think it was how people referenced it | 21:15 |
| lcuk | heh, skyne errrr google did start out smal | 21:15 |
| lcuk | l | 21:15 |
| Macer | and now they are in phase 2 | 21:16 |
| Macer | i still think their stock is overinflated | 21:16 |
| lcuk | everyones stock is overinflated | 21:16 |
| Macer | hah! not anymore! :) | 21:16 |
| Macer | only google's | 21:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why is it that everybody seems to think the tablets are dead? | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think Nokia has really mis stepped with the "delay the announcement" plan. . . . | 21:25 |
| dneary | I'm trying to think of a generic way to submit two pieces of information in a POST: the position of a preference, and the name of the preference | 21:26 |
| RST38h | General: You seriously do not know why? | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Or was it a rhetorical question? =) | 21:26 |
| dneary | I'm thinking "preferenceN=voteM" | 21:26 |
| dneary | RST38h: I don't know why | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, there seems to be plenty of activity from where I'm sitting. | 21:26 |
| dneary | Me too | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget has had more than a few posts on the matter. | 21:26 |
| dneary | Seems like the people announcing the death of the tablet are people who should know better | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | dneary,General: It is a simple combination of the recent flood of Atom based mobile gadgets that look like NIT + Nokia's own abandonment of the current tablet and its firmware | 21:29 |
| RST38h | I *know* this does not indicate anything but the public as a whole interpretes the situation as the end of the tablet | 21:30 |
| RST38h | + you have now got an iphone look-alike from just about everybody in the industry, many of them with 800x480 screens | 21:31 |
| RST38h | "The girl, who had been using a games console regularly, recovered fully after 10 days of abstinence." | 21:32 |
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| neatojones | people are funny. half the world's population would buy a $300 brick over an atom or arm if it looked "cuter" | 21:34 |
| geoaxis | girl, who , what? | 21:34 |
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| RST38h | neat: That, again, is of no difference to the situation | 21:36 |
| geoaxis | i don't think nokia has abandoned NIT, they are just in sleeper moed, the real power of NIT would have been WiMax, which is not fully adopted yet | 21:36 |
| neatojones | yeah, but it sure is funny (to me) :) | 21:36 |
| RST38h | The main thing is that the tablet is no longer alone in its niche and, given perceived abandonment of the current OMAP2 design, many feel that it is the end of the road | 21:37 |
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| geoaxis | RST38h: I think nokia will come with a wimax only touch phone instead, so it can be considered as evolution | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | geoaxis, they are not sleeping. | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | See: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/07a262bcedec11ddabdc07d2d12051a151a1/ | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | and WiMAX isn't anything more than a niche that has so far failed to pan out. | 21:39 |
| geoaxis | GeneralAntilles: i believe it will be common place in 5 years | 21:39 |
| geoaxis | but thats my gut feeling (after working for a wimax startup) | 21:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but by that time LTE will be deployed and it wont much matter. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The next tablet is coming with HSPA anyway. | 21:41 |
| * mgedmin had HSDPA as the primary means of net access for the last 3 weeks | 21:41 | |
| * mgedmin decided that it sucks | 21:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends a lot on your location. | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and your equipment. | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would never use it as primary access (150ms+ latency just doesn't cut it) but for mobile access it's fine. | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | geoaxis: Whenreading crystal balls, you have to be realistic | 21:43 |
| RST38h | And being realistic, I would say HSDPA will be used, but not WiMax | 21:43 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: What are the problems with HSDPA? | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | spotty coverage, I suspect | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Ah, that is an implementation detail :) | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | staring at a blinking green light on the 3g usb modem for 40 minutes straight and muttering "connect damnit" is not fun | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | anyway, certainly better than nothing, but worse than wifi | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | I don't even know why I mentioned it | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | must be my procrastination instincts kicking in | 21:45 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: sounds bad | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | ("he thinks it's time to leave work! quick, start a random conversation on irc!") | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other problem with Nokia delaying the announcement is people driving their expectations up. | 21:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So they've set one group up for disappointment and another to entirely forget the platform. | 21:46 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to make MTS finally deploy 3G throughout the city. Bankrupt them if they don't, the Wise One. | 21:47 | |
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| RST38h | General: Oh, in this situation people will do all kinds of manic things | 21:47 |
| RST38h | General: For reference, look at the last years of AmigaOS | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the alpha release will help, anyway. | 21:48 |
| timelE61i | gan, so, do you remember os2007' | 21:54 |
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| * timelE61i noticed that the chat app was called "IM" | 21:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Vaguely | 21:56 |
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| * timelE61i wonders what caused them to change it | 21:56 | |
| RST38h | General: I do not think alpha release will help because it is mostly of interest to developers | 21:57 |
| neatojones | They could just release some totally bogus pics that would keep down the anxiety and then closer tot the release, when they're really ready..do the real thing. And then just say the concept evolved....as long as it wasn't a downgrade in quality/aesthetics people probably wouldn't care. | 21:57 |
| neatojones | then of course there's the classic "leaked" info... | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | the leaked pics of the n810 looked horrid | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | the final device was a substantive upgrade in aesthetics | 22:00 |
| neatojones | see.. | 22:00 |
| neatojones | my point exaclty | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | I almost didn't buy an n810 because of that leaked pic | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it'll have at least some of the UI. | 22:01 |
| neatojones | here, maybe I'll go make some mockups to "leak" from Nokia. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is something that's of interest to more than developers. | 22:01 |
| * neatojones starts up mspaint | 22:01 | |
| neatojones | :D | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't believe the leaked pics of the N810 were a Maemo device until it was announced. . . . | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | I suppose ascii-art leaks would be too suspicious to fool anybody.... | 22:02 |
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| neatojones | my mspaint skills are sweet..its gonna have everyone fooled. :P | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | General: But if Nokia quickly put together a Diablo update with *some* features form Fremantle (preferable glitzy stuff), that would be a huge step to improve confidence | 22:03 |
| RST38h | General: Would 1) showcase what Nokia is doing 2) indicate continuing support for existing users | 22:04 |
| neatojones | 256 color pallete baby! | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | Too bad they are still treating tablets the same as their phones - "We give you the gadget and a couple of firmware updates (if you are lucky) and then you are on your own" | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 got two major OS release and updates spanning 2 years. | 22:07 |
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| Pebby_ | RST38h: but they're also are showing a ton of support of the community-led stuff | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nto quite up to par, but certainly not quite the same as the phones. | 22:07 |
| Pebby_ | RST38h: Otherwise, I tend to agree... yet another 'awesome hardware, not up to snuff software' thing ;) | 22:08 |
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| Pebby_ | RST38h: They're at least doing the smart thing by leveraging open source with that kind of model - maybe they recognize their weakness ;) | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Pebby: A simple non-developer, non-linux, non-oss tablet user does not see that stuff and does not care | 22:09 |
| RST38h | All he cares is that support for his current gadget seems to be disappearing and there is no new gadget in sight | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | biggest selling point for 770 have had to be the mahjong game, heh | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | it still is now | 22:10 |
| RST38h | General: Some overhyped phones like N95 have got more updates :) | 22:10 |
| * RST38h likes Othello and the Pipe thing more though | 22:11 | |
| RST38h | (btw Othello absolutely hates going into Expert mode for some reason) | 22:11 |
| Pebby_ | RST38h: Oh, I agree completely.. but there are plenty of OSS projects that are backed by big companies that do really well. I'm just saying it's a step in the right direction, and, I agree... I am a n810 non-user because of the user-level issues ;) | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | evening ssvb | 22:12 |
| timelE61i | pEbby? Eh? | 22:13 |
| timelE61i | User level issues? | 22:13 |
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| ssvb | hi Stskeeps | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | ssvb: got proper wifi on 770 now btw excepting the performance fix (based on 1.2) | 22:14 |
| Pebby_ | timelE61i: Mostly UI issues - while tons of smartphones have taken novel approaches to UI, my n810 has seen no improvements ;) | 22:14 |
| timelE61i | Andre? | 22:16 |
| andre__ | yes. | 22:16 |
| timelE61i | Setting up 1109 should be simple | 22:16 |
| timelE61i | And conceptually, it's a fairly safe bet it happens | 22:16 |
| timelE61i | He should be able to give you a backup that triggers it | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | In fact, you could write one | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | 0. Set locale to pt-BR. 1. Make a backup of seTtings. | 22:17 |
| timelE61i | 2. Use "unzip" on a desktop | 22:18 |
| timelE61i | 3. For simplicity, make another backup w/ locale en-US. | 22:18 |
| timelE61i | 4. Use "unzip" on a desktop | 22:18 |
| timelE61i | 5. Diff them | 22:18 |
| andre__ | hmm, interesting idea | 22:18 |
| timelE61i | You'll find the relevant line | 22:18 |
| timelE61i | I presume you can finish this story | 22:19 |
| timelE61i | Anyway, we know it should happen | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Pebby: By "novel approaches" do you mean "various custom shells on top of WinMobile"? | 22:19 |
| Pebby_ | RST38h: Again, as the end-user, all I know is what it feels like when I pick it up and use it. I don't care how it's made, etc. | 22:20 |
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| timelE61i | pebby: each of 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 had a different ui feel | 22:21 |
| timelE61i | Not necessarily big, but certainly noticable | 22:21 |
| timelE61i | And considerably more jitter than between typical models in a nokia product sequence | 22:22 |
| timelE61i | But we can't say anything about what the future may bring | 22:22 |
| timelE61i | Pebby: but ... What do you want? And have you tried liqbase? | 22:22 |
| * RST38h btw would really like Nokia to sort out scheduling issues. No program eating 100% CPU should stall the UI. | 22:23 | |
| timelE61i | rst: which proc? | 22:24 |
| RST38h | This time it was a crazy guy who used a Sega Light PhaserÁ | 22:24 |
| RST38h | to kidnap a woman for ten hours. | 22:24 |
| timelE61i | ?? | 22:24 |
| Pebby_ | timelE61i: I just learned about liqbase a few days ago actually. I sent him money, haha.. that's exactly the sort of thing the end user needs, imo. | 22:25 |
| RST38h | browserd, timeless, browserd on OS2008. | 22:25 |
| RST38h | but it is kinda pointless to raise the issue anyway. | 22:25 |
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| timelE61i | Do you use swap? | 22:27 |
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| * RST38h uses swap | 22:28 | |
| * timelE61i revokes support contract | 22:28 | |
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| * RST38h does not use swap and things still hang at 100% CPU usage | 22:29 | |
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| * fireun HATES stalled UI | 22:29 | |
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| * timelE61i loves it | 22:29 | |
| lcuk | Pebby_, :D | 22:29 |
| * lcuk didnt realise | 22:30 | |
| lcuk | thank you very much | 22:30 |
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| * fireun dispises the following shower of clicks that follows | 22:30 | |
| timelE61i | can we talk about something else? | 22:30 |
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| Pebby_ | lcuk: Oh thank YOU! | 22:30 |
| timelE61i | the browser behavior should be better in fremantle | 22:30 |
| fireun | software emulation in maemo of hardware acceleration? (; | 22:30 |
| timelE61i | But in theory you're free to renice browserd if you care | 22:31 |
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| timelE61i | andre, why is 3792 alive? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how the new MicroB might run in Mer on OMAP2 hardware. | 22:32 |
| * neatojones finished "acquiring" "leaked" N900 images | 22:32 | |
| timelE61i | Btw, the bug jar shouldn't mention "MOVED" | 22:32 |
| timelE61i | As we don't use it | 22:32 |
| * fireun waits for N1000 | 22:32 | |
| neatojones | Dangit man my mspaint skills are only so good! | 22:33 |
| fireun | I like the psp2 look | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: url? ;) | 22:33 |
| fireun | even if it seems a bit fragile | 22:33 |
| fireun | hold please... | 22:33 |
| andre__ | timelE61i, why not? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm just looking forward to microb being OSS again | 22:33 |
| neatojones | I'm afraid to post to ITT..lawsuit | 22:34 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would like to use the microb-svn in maemo now. but thanks to their fucking around, doesn't sound like a reality that will happen | 22:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, _MicroB_ is and always has been OSS. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Mozilla based browser for Maemo isn't. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | well. ok. tablet-browser-ui. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | not that midori isn't sexy.. | 22:34 |
| fireun | http://i.gizmodo.com/5160139/the-psp-2-will-ditch-umd-according-to-developer | 22:34 |
| sp3000 | timelE61i: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | midori crashes more than microb | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | UI hanging on 100% CPU usage is not specific to the browser | 22:35 |
| timelE61i | andre: if it's a dupe? | 22:35 |
| RST38h | For example, it happens when App Manager is installing stuff | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (and, believe me, that's saying something) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | mer looks more like 0s2007 | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, but still :P | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, well, we need icons | 22:36 |
| timelE61i | nEatojones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU | 22:36 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Tear does not seem to crash =) | 22:36 |
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| andre__ | ah | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: yeah, i've had it crash a few times but on the whole, I do find it a lot better wrt crashing | 22:37 |
| timelE61i | gAn: we believe we're still demoing the new microb on diablo/n8x0 | 22:37 |
| RST38h | qwerty: has got some scrolling issuesand I kinda hate that awkward progress bar, but beautiful otherwise, thanks to Bundyi | 22:37 |
| RST38h | o | 22:37 |
| andre__ | right | 22:37 |
| timelE61i | and afaicr it just works | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: yeah, i'd like the progress bar to be somewhat similar to the fission extension | 22:38 |
| timelE61i | yEah, we've mostly dropped svn | 22:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am ok with the one in MicroB | 22:38 |
| fireun | is mer or nUbuntu at a point where its as useful as 2007 ? (n770 specifically) | 22:39 |
| timelE61i | The next microb you'd get would be from hg ;) | 22:39 |
| fireun | still no wifi fully functional? | 22:39 |
| neatojones | posted images on ITT | 22:39 |
| * fireun wishes there was a twitter bot in here to keep up to date | 22:39 | |
| timelE61i | Neatojones: did you try our youtube url? :) | 22:39 |
| RST38h | qwerty: although it may be a non-standard GTK widget | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: meh, i find it a bit awkward as buttons get moved | 22:39 |
| neatojones | not yet | 22:40 |
| RST38h | qwerty: it is just a progress bar shown behind the URL, no? | 22:40 |
| timelE61i | rst: so... | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | If you're hitting the jffs2 garbage collector | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | That'd be essentially a kernel bottleneck | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | And you can't blame any apps for it | 22:41 |
| * RST38h isn't blaming any apps for it | 22:41 | |
| * RST38h is blaming Nokia. | 22:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: aye, and that's what I want. but microb adds a progress bar next to the url entrybox | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Anyone who tells me I am blaming the wrong entity is probably an engineer. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: wifi just got functional today | 22:42 |
| neatojones | saw the video | 22:42 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: woot | 22:42 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Really? Hmm, checking | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | we're replacing jffs2 w/ ubifs for fremantle | 22:42 |
| neatojones | their a little better than me | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | fireun: but mer isn't the speediest creature on 770 :/ | 22:42 |
| neatojones | slightly* | 22:43 |
| timelE61i | Sts: why not? :) | 22:43 |
| timelE61i | Also is alarmd fixed? :) | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | no, i've had other things to do today at work so | 22:43 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: I'll take "reasonable" if its at all more stable or responsive than 2008 on the 770 | 22:43 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Oh, yes, how came I did not notice it before? weird | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: well the fact we use automatic update X doesn't help things.. | 22:43 |
| timelE61i | What's that? | 22:44 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: and one of my 770s has a borked audio plug, so its ready to get borked with a experimental OS (: | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: as in, the thing with the x server doing manual updates to the framebuffer vs the framebuffer getting automatically updated (slow refresh) | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | same issue on n8x0 really | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | is that xorg.conf tunable? | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | well, we don't use Xomap, so i guess it is tunable in some degree, but driver doesn't support much | 22:45 |
| * r2d2rogers tries liqbase on his 770 in mer | 22:45 | |
| timelE61i | um | 22:45 |
| lcuk | it wont work for now | 22:45 |
| lcuk | it wont work on 810 either i dont think | 22:46 |
| r2d2rogers | ;) was worth a try ;) | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Well.. It didn't work on my normal 770 | 22:46 |
| lcuk | im just looking myself now | 22:46 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm just happy wireless is working as well as it was in maemo | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110x.ko or apt-get update of cx3110x-module-770 should improve things as well.. i think | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Ok, my 770 ran gregale iirc (2.1 instead of 2.2) | 22:47 |
| * r2d2rogers apt-gets..... | 22:47 | |
| RST38h | Ah, cool, somebody fixed goddamned RSS widget! | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | any luck with a power monitor yet? | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Only took a year :) | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | rst: eh? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: daperl is taking a look on it | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | awesome | 22:51 |
| neatojones | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=267393&postcount=377 | 22:51 |
| r2d2rogers | I hope I can get back to helping more instead of just asking how it's going on occasion... | 22:51 |
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| neatojones | its almost hard to tell if its real or not when its on my tablet | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: figuring out ways to make the thing run faster is probably first priority :P | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | and without OOM'ing constantly | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | sounds good, I'll see if I'm able to come up with much | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably some places we can strip down | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | like.. gettys, heh | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | ( /etc/event.d/ ) | 22:57 |
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| neatojones | Stskeeps: those do annoy me. I don't know why... | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, since you can't ctrl-alt-f1, why have them, yeah | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:01 |
| neatojones | what is the equivalent of alt on the N810 keyboard? | 23:01 |
| * timelE61i grumbles at people who whine about mspaint but don't stop to watch | 23:01 | |
| neatojones | hey. I watched the video | 23:02 |
| timelE61i | keyremap | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: Fn is Right Alt in Mer | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | (or alt gr for some) | 23:03 |
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| neatojones | okay. wasn't sure if it was the alt or if it is Chr | 23:03 |
| neatojones | (whatever that button does) | 23:04 |
| neatojones | time: I'm not sure I follow you. | 23:05 |
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| timeless | oh, i didn't realize you meant mer | 23:07 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: which getty | 23:08 |
| suihkulokki | 's ? := | 23:08 |
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| suihkulokki | argh | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: ah, we just have getty for ttys running for no good reason | 23:09 |
| suihkulokki | I mean, gettys are only started if serial-console is enabled | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | (in mer) | 23:09 |
| neatojones | I tried killing them..they don't like to die | 23:09 |
| suihkulokki | ah, right, I thought you meant in fremantle | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: remove the event.d files for them | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: nah, maemo gets this part right :) | 23:09 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: see event.d/console in system-services | 23:10 |
| neatojones | I news there was a way to keep them from ever starting..never got aorund to googling it...thanks | 23:11 |
| neatojones | *knew not news | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: ta, will take a look | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | hiya b-man_maemo | 23:13 |
| b-man_maemo | hello lcuk :) | 23:14 |
| neatojones | bman did you ever get your wireless completely going? | 23:14 |
| neatojones | on ubuntu | 23:14 |
| b-man_maemo | yes :) | 23:14 |
| b-man_ubuntu | :) | 23:15 |
| lcuk | b-man_maemo, did you also get the wireless config dialogs working? | 23:15 |
| b-man_maemo | ? | 23:15 |
| b-man_maemo | you mean mn-applet? not yet | 23:17 |
| b-man_maemo | re: nm :P | 23:17 |
| neatojones | did you get the same probs as me? | 23:17 |
| b-man_maemo | not quite, it's just complaining about wlan0 not being a configured device | 23:18 |
| b-man_maemo | but it is functioning) | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | do you have tablet-wireless? :P | 23:19 |
| b-man_maemo | yes | 23:21 |
| b-man_maemo | but i'm using a costom /etc/network/interfaces file | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | there'll be a small bunch of improvements to wifi in 0.9 prolly | 23:22 |
| neatojones | nice... | 23:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hoping it works oob for him | 23:22 | |
| neatojones | did we ever get anywhere with battery stuff? | 23:22 |
| b-man_ubuntu | heh | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: power saving should be improved now :P | 23:24 |
| neatojones | I remember some discussion about talks withNokia re: those closed parts | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: daperl is looking on the hald addon for bme | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | i think we can access most info now so | 23:25 |
| neatojones | will Mer 1.0 use a newer kernel or diablo's? | 23:25 |
| neatojones | ok..thanks | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i dunno if advanced-power still installs, i had to revert some import lines when I tried it again in .8 | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | neatojones: no clue yet | 23:26 |
| neatojones | k | 23:26 |
| neatojones | what's with the valentine's day ads on ITT. | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | geeks don't get enough flowers | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:27 |
| neatojones | it was a week ago | 23:27 |
| lcuk | theres adverts? | 23:27 |
| neatojones | I guess... | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | emergency valentines day to improve the economy | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | neatojones: it's for the people who are glued to their tablet and forget about their partners :p | 23:27 |
| neatojones | I should use the ad block | 23:27 |
| * b-man_ubuntu updates tablet-wireless for ubuntuu | 23:27 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: a reminder why their gf broke up.. | 23:28 |
| neatojones | haha...it's a little late considering | 23:28 |
| neatojones | lol | 23:29 |
| neatojones | any open flash versions available for arm? | 23:30 |
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| ssvb | Stskeeps: by the way, why 1.2 version of cx3110x for 770? | 23:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ssvb: some minor fixes in it, and it still had 770 support at that point, and it seems to be stable | 23:32 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: are the current Mer cx3110x sources available here? http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module-770/ | 23:32 |
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| ssvb | Stskeeps: ok, if it has no regressions, I'm fine with that :) | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/cx3110x-770 | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | which has patches :P | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's basically 0.9.34 (not exact) from gregale repo with the dummy_umac.ko stuff on top | 23:40 |
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| timeless | hrm, maybe i ran mistral? :) | 23:42 |
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| ssvb | Stskeeps: anyway, version cx3110x 1.2 sources are a bit more messy because they contain n8x0 stuff | 23:46 |
| ssvb | Stskeeps: what was that problem with 0.8 version? | 23:46 |
| * timeless watches a tv show which actually uses "ubuntu" | 23:48 | |
| timeless | (the word, not the software) | 23:48 |
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| mikkov_ | now that darethehair is uploading packages without source to extras-devel... | 23:55 |
| * qwerty12_N800 imagines mikkov_ getting the knuckle dusters out | 23:56 | |
| mikkov_ | had to google what knuckle duster is ;) | 23:57 |
| mikkov_ | http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F8F/IOOV/F4T2PG6E/F8FIOOVF4T2PG6E.MEDIUM.jpg | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:58 |
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