| ShadowJK | and bluetooth for internet connectivity | 00:00 |
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| AStorm | and we even have code examples of the sdk | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | they run Linux I believe | 00:00 |
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| AStorm | ShadowJK: yes | 00:01 |
| AStorm | I think it's some 2.4 | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm: if the zaurus can run it in demo mode, i have faith in your efforts for the n8x0 ;P | 00:01 |
| AStorm | it's armv4 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | hm, they include MPlayer in their firmware? wtf :) | 00:01 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: uh, should be easy once I get framebuffer simulation | 00:01 |
| sashka_n800 | AStorm, in control panel i can move contacts up and down but can't remove it | 00:01 |
| AStorm | the other stuff is simple | 00:01 |
| AStorm | sashka_n800: you need something to replace it with :> | 00:02 |
| AStorm | e.g. personal menu | 00:02 |
| AStorm | you cannot remove an icon | 00:02 |
| lcuk | cyas later evil people | 00:02 |
| * lcuk was meant to be codin | 00:02 | |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: yeah, they do | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ShadowJK: wish nokia had followed their lead... only thing the built in media player does better is wmv (barely)... | 00:02 |
| AStorm | something to play the video | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | "TomTom GO uses the 2.6.13 and 2.6.23.17 versions of the Linux kernel, with modifications by TomTom, which provide drivers for the specific TomTom GO hardware. " | 00:02 |
| AStorm | and audio | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl | 00:03 |
| AStorm | ah, right | 00:03 |
| AStorm | 2.6.x | 00:03 |
| AStorm | my bad | 00:03 |
| AStorm | :) | 00:03 |
| AStorm | I don't know if they build statically or not | 00:03 |
| AStorm | if they don't, then it's LD_PRELOAD and we're all set | 00:03 |
| sashka_n800 | ok, i understand, going to sleep, bye | 00:03 |
| AStorm | then need to write a GTK emulator of linux framebuffer ;P | 00:03 |
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| Corsac | AStorm: gtk has a directfb backend | 00:04 |
| AStorm | backend doesn't matter | 00:04 |
| AStorm | and we want X or Xv as a backend | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | wanna do LD_PRELOAD trickery to emulate fb | 00:04 |
| AStorm | because that's what maemo has | 00:04 |
| Corsac | oh, you want the opposite | 00:04 |
| AStorm | yeah | 00:05 |
| AStorm | fb device emulation | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | Actually for my gps needs I'd rather have Nokia Maps running on N810 than tomtom running on N810, but that'd be a gigantic task :) | 00:05 |
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| AStorm | ShadowJK: yeah, just take over /dev/fb*, /dev/ts* and /dev/ttyS* | 00:05 |
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| AStorm | Nokia Maps would work too | 00:05 |
| AStorm | it also uses FB I guess | 00:05 |
| AStorm | *fb | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | Biggest issue is that it's symbian | 00:06 |
| AStorm | and both tomtom and nokia use standard NMEA GPS | 00:06 |
| AStorm | ah, bummer | 00:06 |
| AStorm | why does nokia cling to that failure os | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nokia's navigation devices use ce... | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but the cellphones usually come with Nokia Maps or Wayfinder | 00:07 |
| roope | astorm: which os should they then use? | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | maemo :) | 00:07 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: wayfinder we already have | 00:07 |
| AStorm | roope: Linux of course. Maemo is workable. | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, but Nokia Maps > Wayfinder. Atleast for my part of the world.. | 00:08 |
| AStorm | well, tomtom > nokia maps > wayfinder for here | 00:08 |
| AStorm | but the most powerful one is "Automapa" ;P | 00:08 |
| roope | Nokia Maps is improving steadily. 3.0 is better than the previous ones. | 00:08 |
| AStorm | I should extend maemo mapper to support vector maps | 00:08 |
| AStorm | maybe by borrowing code from osm2go | 00:08 |
| AStorm | roope: the problem is maps themselves | 00:09 |
| AStorm | central/eastern europe sucks. | 00:09 |
| roope | astorm: blame Navteq then. | 00:09 |
| roope | It's their maps. | 00:09 |
| AStorm | yeah. | 00:09 |
| AStorm | these are at least better than wayfinder's | 00:09 |
| AStorm | tomtom has good ones, but expensive | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | My issue with tomtom is that it is super-allergic towards dirt roads. Nokia maps on the other hand, when faced with the choice of 400 metres of asphalt and 1 turn, vs 300 metres of dirt road and 3 turns, will happily suggest the dirt road alternative even when you've asked for fastest route :) | 00:10 |
| AStorm | and local produce Automapa has the best | 00:10 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: that's a bug IMO | 00:10 |
| AStorm | dirt roads are almost always a bad choice | 00:10 |
| AStorm | tomtom avoids them by design | 00:11 |
| roope | astorm: Finns love the dirt roads. :) They drive like Ari Vatanen. | 00:11 |
| AStorm | hahaha | 00:11 |
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| AStorm | try to drive a truck through one | 00:11 |
| AStorm | we recently had some idiot drive into a lake | 00:11 |
| AStorm | thanks to being an idiot and following GPS blindly | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | tomtom when faced with 10 km of dirt road vs 30km of asphalt, will take the longer 30km asphalt. In reality the dirt road is only marginally slower than 10km of that asphalt road | 00:11 |
| AStorm | thought the truck is a submarine or sth | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wtf | 00:12 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: corner case | 00:12 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yes, stupid | 00:12 |
| AStorm | and the road was marked as a dead end too | 00:12 |
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| AStorm | the story hit the news - that was some 13ton truck | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | Winter in finland, all roads become equal with regard to the surface. It's either ice or snow :) | 00:13 |
| AStorm | he took a friggin dirt road into woods... | 00:13 |
| AStorm | then drove into a lake... | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 00:13 |
| AStorm | the fun part is that the actual destination has many main roads and even highways to it | 00:14 |
| AStorm | heck, I could chart a route in 10s | 00:15 |
| AStorm | the name of GPS system he used was not disclosed. | 00:16 |
| AStorm | bad publicity and all | 00:16 |
| AStorm | but they did mention he had old maps | 00:16 |
| AStorm | btw, I'd be more happy if we could reverse-engineer tomtom map format | 00:17 |
| * qwerty12_N800 's dad uses a old ass garmin nuvi with old maps. it's not worth downloading new ones because it sucks so badly... | 00:17 | |
| AStorm | but I suspect they'd take offense and sue to hell | 00:17 |
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| AStorm | (even though technically the decryption key would be required) | 00:18 |
| * RST38h moos | 00:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | baa RST38h | 00:20 |
| AStorm | meow! | 00:20 |
| AStorm | ok, time for that reboot... bbl | 00:21 |
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| b-man | run apt-get moo ;) | 00:24 |
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| lbt | oooh http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html | 00:36 |
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| Pebby_ | lbt: I was just reading about that... I'm going to plug in 10 and distcc everything in my house, wheeee! | 00:43 |
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| lbt | it does sound interesting... :) | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, the Category dropdown in the Add item dialog seems a little funky. | 00:51 |
| lbt | 0.5.1 ? | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 0.5 | 00:52 |
| lbt | oh wait, that may not be there yet | 00:52 |
| lbt | I added a 'tick' gesture to the dialog box and forgot to remove it | 00:53 |
| lbt | I think that may explain it | 00:53 |
| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/shopper_0.5.1/ | 00:53 |
| lbt | it should be in extras-devel RSN | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see it on the builder list. | 00:53 |
| lbt | how is it otherwise? still a bit small for my taste | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not fingerable enough for my tastes. | 00:55 |
| lbt | any suggestions? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was thinking about it | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, no, not really. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might poke around in PS at some point. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe we should get wazd to do it. :P | 00:56 |
| lbt | I'm open to ideas... | 00:57 |
| lbt | I've not spent much time on the UI though - all defaults | 00:57 |
| lbt | it's where I was going next | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, david at dgreaves dot com is good for bugzilla? | 01:00 |
| milhouse | the sheevaplug would make a great server for a squeezebox... | 01:01 |
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| lbt | that's fine | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, milhouse. | 01:01 |
| milhouse | hi general | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 01:02 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, bugzilla is bitching about general@shopper.garage.bugs not existing. | 01:03 |
| andre__ | but what's the beginning of the story? :) | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me swinging around a large baseball bat in bugzilla. :P | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creating a new product for lbt's Shopper | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trying to add a General component. | 01:04 |
| andre__ | WAIT! not the italian porcelain!!! :-P | 01:04 |
| andre__ | i think that is the product that timeless added when bz died | 01:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles finds a particular pile on the floor and procedes to hit it again Office Space-style. | 01:04 | |
| andre__ | hence it wasn't finished | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, in general, is there another step that needs to be taken to create QA contacts? | 01:05 |
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| andre__ | you have to create a virtual user, yupp | 01:07 |
| andre__ | just did that | 01:07 |
| andre__ | and also added a "General" component | 01:07 |
| andre__ | feel free to reset the default assignee | 01:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, cool. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, do you want any more specific components? | 01:07 |
| andre__ | ah. uh. cool. this is live and a maintainer really exists. :-P | 01:08 |
| lbt | don't think so - shopper is fine | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a website? | 01:08 |
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| lbt | shopper.garage... | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, not really. | 01:09 |
| lbt | it's a tad sparse | 01:09 |
| lbt | well, RSN | 01:09 |
| lbt | bug #1 - no website | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, website component, too? | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: for the future, can I create these virtual users? | 01:09 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, if you can create a website component or whatcha mean? | 01:10 |
| andre__ | same qa contact i'd say | 01:10 |
| andre__ | creating virtual users: don't know, let me look into the permissions tomorrow | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Maemo Mapper, for instance, is www@maemo-mapper.garage.bugs | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | versus general@maemo-mapper.garage.bugs for General | 01:11 |
| andre__ | ah | 01:11 |
| lbt | hmm - andre__ I would like my garage page to get links to the new package I uploaded - so https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ should know that 0.5 is there (and 0.5.1 in a few minutes) | 01:11 |
| andre__ | lbt, uh, i'm only into bugzilla | 01:11 |
| lbt | ok :) | 01:11 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, if you want one I can quickly create one :) | 01:11 |
| andre__ | just tell me the name of it | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Website | 01:12 |
| andre__ | (yupp, i'm going to look at permissions tomorrow) | 01:12 |
| * lbt goes back to coding | 01:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, something more interesting you want to be doing at 1 AM? :P | 01:12 |
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| andre__ | well, club is open until 4AM, no need for hurry ;-) | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:12 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, can you create the component or are you also missing permissions? | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can create components | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just not their QA contacts | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe I can | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I dunno how. | 01:13 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, Edit: Users ? | 01:14 |
| andre__ | www@shopper.garage.bugs created | 01:14 |
| andre__ | does https://bugs.maemo.org/editusers.cgi work for you? | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I can search for existing accounts | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I dunno if I can create anything | 01:15 |
| andre__ | ah, so there's no "You can also add a new user." on that page for you? ok | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is related to: And you can turn on or off the following bits for other users: I guess. | 01:15 |
| andre__ | yupp, guess so too | 01:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . Gatorade is ripping off The Holy Grail in their new ads. | 01:16 |
| Macer | holy shit | 01:18 |
| Macer | i guess document fed scanners are just all expensive huh? | 01:18 |
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| lbt | night all | 02:13 |
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| AndrewFBlack | is there a graphical partiton manager for maemo? | 03:14 |
| tank-man | probably no | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, none that I know of. | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish somebody would put together a wizard or something for SD booting, though. . . . | 03:36 |
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| riot | hi | 03:42 |
| riot | how do i enter a pipe on the n810? | 03:42 |
| riot | tried via the iconbar in the terminal, but hmm no | 03:42 |
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| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles I wish people would do alot :) | 03:50 |
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| bef0rd | riot, press the Chr | 03:59 |
| bef0rd | and use the arrows on the side | 03:59 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:14 |
| Macer | what can i use to allow windows to use an ext3 partition? | 04:14 |
| Macer | i have to hook up an external drive that is ext3 | 04:15 |
| bef0rd | http://www.fs-driver.org/ | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody mind stress testing athf-splash and maemoorg-splash? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think all the bugs are out, but I want to make sure before I promote them. | 04:50 |
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| Macer | ugh | 06:32 |
| Macer | i'm scanning all the paperwork i have in the house and shredding it | 06:32 |
| Macer | then burning it | 06:32 |
| Macer | holy shit this stuff piles up.. i think i've shreded 2 30gal garbage bags worth of shit already | 06:32 |
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| dougt | anyone know much about liblocation -- specifically why it is linking to glib debug? | 09:35 |
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| dougt | basically, i am seeing something like this: | 09:52 |
| dougt | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628156 | 09:52 |
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| dougt | and I am worried about those GLIB DEBUG prints. I am pretty sure they should not be there. ideally, right? | 09:52 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 10:06 |
| Pavlz | i need of tftp for nokia 770 | 10:07 |
| AstralStorm | why? use ssh and sftp - works almost as well | 10:07 |
| Pavlz | because to access to the buffalo is necessary tftp | 10:08 |
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| AstralStorm | hmm, can't help you with that, sorry, I've no idea | 10:09 |
| AstralStorm | might want to try gronmayer | 10:09 |
| Pavlz | you don't port it ? | 10:09 |
| Pavlz | thanks | 10:10 |
| Pavlz | Bye | 10:10 |
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| dougt | anyone have qgil's email address? | 10:19 |
| suihkulokki | firstname.lastname@employer.com | 10:20 |
| dougt | suihkulokki: does that work? :-) | 10:20 |
| timelE61i | yEs. | 10:21 |
| jaem | hey timeless | 10:21 |
| jaem | what was that pm about? | 10:21 |
| timelE61i | When? | 10:22 |
| * timelE61i tries to send dougt an sms | 10:22 | |
| jaem | on the 19th, but I didn't get it until today, for some reason | 10:22 |
| jaem | you sent me a link to a zip of a bunch of l10n pkgs | 10:23 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:24 |
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| AstralStorm | moaning | 10:26 |
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| RST38h | ehlo astorm | 10:32 |
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| dougt | sp3000: could you help me out? I need the dbg package for liblocation. | 10:35 |
| Mousey | n810 + EyeOS = win! | 10:38 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 11:18 |
| RST38h | Hehe: http://i.gizmodo.com/5159842/the-government-is-not-spying-on-you-through-your-dtv-converter-box | 11:19 |
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| tank-man | spying thru your tv? someones reading 1984 too much | 11:20 |
| RST38h | good hoax though, must have brought many mentally unstable guys over the brink =) | 11:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 12:07 |
| * Stskeeps notes twitter searches are an interesting way to get live news updates from citizens watching. | 12:08 | |
| Stskeeps | (turkish airlines crash in amsterdam) | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: URL? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | not much yet, is on breaking news on cnn, http://search.twitter.com/search?q=schipol+crash :P | 12:09 |
| aquatix | yep | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | http://www.twitpic.com/1ol2n | 12:09 |
| aquatix | http://twitpic.com/1ol2n | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | Picture. | 12:09 |
| aquatix | dang | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1923104/vliegtuig-neergestort-bij-schiphol.html | 12:10 |
| aquatix | also with other picture | 12:10 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: btw, check http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2009/2/25/250209_tijdlijn.html | 12:10 |
| aquatix | it has the twitter pic :) | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Great crowd sourcing ;) | 12:10 |
| aquatix | http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00199/Boeing_737_Turkish__199133b.jpg | 12:10 |
| aquatix | ouch | 12:10 |
| aquatix | that's a better pic | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | jeez | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | No runway in sight. | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | impressive if people survived that | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah, so you're searching twitter do find info on news stories, not the news stories themselves. | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | 40 people are said to have walked away. | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: well i read it initially on news stories | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | But about 130 estimated on board. Nothing known about the difference in count.. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | and then i went for higher update rate on twitter :P | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: maybe an old pic | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: i mean, if that's a runway.. | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | then schipol got a little more grassy since last :P | 12:13 |
| aquatix | heh | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | Plane in better days: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/4/4/1466442.jpg | 12:13 |
| aquatix | they almost made it to the runway | 12:13 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: this is some field outside Schiphol | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 12:14 |
| * Stskeeps went to schipol a year ago or so | 12:14 | |
| * aquatix lives in a city about 20 minutes away from it | 12:15 | |
| Stskeeps | you have to wonder if stuff like twitter is future of news reporting though :P | 12:16 |
| RST38h | What happened? Missed the runway? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: "Stuff like twitter" existed for years under the name IRC :) | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Has been used for real time news reporting too | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, true | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | i do recall sitting on irc with some of the more major events | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Like in 1991 for example | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | though not that far back :P referring to the russian coup or how was it? | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | It seems it ran out of runway and ended up in that field. | 12:19 |
| aquatix | it `missed the runway' news sources say | 12:19 |
| aquatix | not sure how to interpret that | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2009/2/25/250209_vliegtuig_schiphol.html | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | Sts: yea | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: but it was also used in 2001 and on some other occassions | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i really ought to have used that as a better example :) | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you might quite like twitterfall.com, btw for constantly updated search results. | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | oh neat | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | <- news junkie :P | 12:23 |
| * Jaffa wonders why Jaffa2 isn't following Stskeeps on twitter | 12:26 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm not on twitter :P | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Just stalking those who are :) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | http://twitter.com/nipp Eye witness. | 12:30 |
| andre__ | uh. just heard that on the radio :-/ | 12:35 |
| dneary | Hi | 12:36 |
| dneary | Jaffa: What do you think of this (I'm writing the "nominations are open" mail): | 12:36 |
| dneary | Candidates eligible for election (*) can be nominated by anyone in the community. If a maemo.org community member nominates someone other than themselves, the nomination must be accepted by the nominee before it is official. | 12:36 |
| dneary | Gah! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Eligible_candidates | 12:37 |
| dneary | Anidel and one other person had a comma in their employer field | 12:37 |
| dneary | And awk isn't intelligent about escaping commas in quoted strings | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Journaal 24 is showing live pictures now. | 12:38 |
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| dneary | Good ol' John Costigan | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Are you going to have two sections: "Declared candidates" and "Other nominations" | 12:39 |
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| dneary | Jaffa: I plan to ensure that nominations are accepted or declined quickly, so that isn't necessary | 12:40 |
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| dneary | This is to address a concern of lardman (I think) who wanted to see more people nominated by people other than themselves | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 12:41 |
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| RST38h | dneary: Is Quim an eligible candidate? | 12:43 |
| dneary | RST38h: Of course | 12:43 |
| RST38h | Or, to clarify, are Nokia employees eligible to run? | 12:43 |
| dneary | RST38h: I don't think he'd want to be on the council, but there is definitely nothing preventing someone working for Nokia being on the council | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259316.jpg <- jeez | 12:43 |
| RST38h | ok | 12:44 |
| dneary | In fact, I would encourage it | 12:44 |
| dneary | Personally | 12:44 |
| dneary | (after all, Nokia employees are part of the Maemo community, are they not?) | 12:44 |
| RST38h | They are of course | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: They just have to make it clear in their declaration that they have a commercial interest in Maemo | 12:44 |
| RST38h | But I am having a feeling there might be a conflict of interest | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, as individuals, they do not | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | Up to the voters to judge ;-) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | Ok, fair. | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I can't remember the exact wording. Suffice to say, they have to make it clear when campaigning that they are employed by Nokia | 12:45 |
| RST38h | Ah | 12:45 |
| dneary | RST38h: Between any two people on the council, there is a conflict of interests | 12:46 |
| dneary | RST38h: Jaffa doesn't always agree with lardman or GeneralAntilles | 12:46 |
| RST38h | dneary: that is not the conflict of interest I meant :) | 12:46 |
| dneary | RST38h: "Conflict of interests", as you use it, is when someone has two masters, in some sense: when their role as a community council member is in conflict with their role as a Nokia employee | 12:47 |
| dneary | I can conceive of a few situations when that might happen | 12:48 |
| dneary | If the person has some confidential information that would be useful to a council discussion, or if the council were advocating something which would be counter to his employment contract, but they're few & far between | 12:48 |
| dneary | And can, I think, be managed | 12:48 |
| * Jaffa now's going to have to consider whether or not to stand again. | 12:49 | |
| dneary | Jaffa: You'll get a sore bum if you don't | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | dneary: but my legs won't get tired | 12:49 |
| dneary | Eventually | 12:49 |
| dneary | OK - failing opposition, bombs away! | 12:49 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: someone needs to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process with the referenda changes | 12:51 |
| * Jaffa can do so, instead of working. Shouldn't take long | 12:51 | |
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| dneary | Jaffa: OK, go for it | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | Done. | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | morning yerga | 12:56 |
| yerga | morning! | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 13:10 |
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| aquatix | X-Fade: ah | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | hm, danes on that plane | 13:41 |
| aquatix | <spam> | 13:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259316.jpg | 13:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/crashschiphol2.jpg | 13:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/ANP-9259371.jpg | 13:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.rtvnh.nl/cmsroot/Nieuwsfotos/Verkeer,vervoer/Schiphol,vliegtuigem,douane/Gebeurtenissen/Vliegtuig-neergestort3.jpg | 13:43 |
| aquatix | </spam> | 13:43 |
| aquatix | highres pics of the plane | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saw most | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | did the authorities agree on how many dead yet? :P | 13:43 |
| aquatix | not that i know | 13:45 |
| aquatix | CNN Turkey said 1 (at least) | 13:45 |
| aquatix | 80 have left the plane already | 13:45 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how bad a pr disaster it would be if the danish prime minister resigned today along with danes being in a plane crash.. | 13:46 | |
| Stskeeps | (there are rumours due to NATO general secretary position so :ÆP) | 13:46 |
| zs1 | so many planes crashes recently, wtf? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's winter, it's snow, .. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | .. and the terrorist birds | 13:46 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: oh please, not the terrorist talk | 13:47 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:47 |
| aquatix | it's likely bad maintenance or some overly tired or badly schooled pilot | 13:47 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: terrorist bird flocks! ;p | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | Plane tried to land in the field. Stalled at the last moment and dropped straight down from low hight. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, if it was low height that probably helped.. | 13:55 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: ha, suicide birds | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | 5 body bags spotted. Most people just walked away. | 13:56 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: ah | 13:56 |
| aquatix | there are also rumours about 7+ | 13:56 |
| aquatix | among which 1 pilot | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: I saw live images where there were about 5 people under blankets. Rest is rumour ;) | 13:57 |
| pupnik_ | hmm interesting .. http://www.gata.org/node/7197 Ex-Treasury official confirms gold suppression scheme | 13:58 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: yep | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | BBC says "all 135 survived" | 13:59 |
| RST38h | incredibke | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Misinformed. | 14:00 |
| glass | some places are saying else | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Quoting Turkish Transport Minister - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7909683.stm | 14:01 |
| glass | but no pics of bodies? | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | The summary is more specific in this statement on news.bbc.co.uk than the article itself. | 14:01 |
| RST38h | glass: check rotten.com in a few days | 14:02 |
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| glass | RST38h: that would've had confirmed it one way or another | 14:02 |
| RST38h | glass: indeed | 14:02 |
| glass | most of the press is just quoting initial press at this point i suppose | 14:02 |
| glass | which is conflicting | 14:02 |
| RST38h | self pollination | 14:02 |
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| X-Fade | NOS news now says 9 dead. 3 in cockpit. | 14:07 |
| aquatix | ah | 14:08 |
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| aquatix | sucky | 14:08 |
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| rmt | So... I want a toy... and soon enough I'll want a new phone.. I'm basically tossing up getting a N810, or waiting for the/a new android phone (available sometime in April, according to Vodafone).. I want to be able to do development for it.. | 14:46 |
| rmt | I could either get an N810 and later a cheaper phone (so long as it has bluetooth). | 14:47 |
| * Stskeeps works fine with a SE 3g phone and a n800 | 14:48 | |
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| Stskeeps | and i wouldn't touch an android phone that is locked like the G1 one is :P | 14:48 |
| rmt | The Maemo platform gives me much more flexibility as far as programming goes.. but will I really be carrying the device around with me so much when I'll want it.. | 14:48 |
| * xnt1337 is Stuck With a Blackberry, with no data plan, and no compatability with n810 :( | 14:48 | |
| Stskeeps | rmt: my tablet lives close to my chest when i'm on the go | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh. That is not so 1337 | 14:49 |
| RST38h | rmt: If you want a toy, then this shouldn't really be an issue | 14:49 |
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| jeremiah_ | rmt: I think you will find Maemo a better platform than Android, but that's just me, I'm biased. :) | 14:50 |
| rmt | I could also spend a bit more in the future and also get a decent phone (eg. Nokia E71) that isn't quite so open, but will be a reasonable substitute when I don't have the 810.. I'm largely thinking navigation and the odd webpage/email. | 14:50 |
| RST38h | E71 is bad for navigation | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Small screen | 14:50 |
| aquatix | I think the combination of an E71 with a N810 is quite nice | 14:51 |
| * aquatix has a SE m600i with a N810 and liking it | 14:51 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: i have good eyes ;) | 14:51 |
| rmt | I suspect that Maemo isn't a viable option for many commercial apps, though .. but, in all seriousness, I doubt I've got the staying power to develop and support a commercial app.. :-P | 14:51 |
| * aquatix uses his m600i for navigation now and then | 14:51 | |
| RST38h | aquatix: it has few pixels, your eyes won't help | 14:51 |
| aquatix | RST38h: hell, the thing talks to me | 14:51 |
| aquatix | what more do i want :) | 14:51 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: they're excellent playing with and experimenting on, for sure :P | 14:51 |
| RST38h | does it have breasts? | 14:52 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ha | 14:52 |
| rmt | How's the N810 for reading in sunlight? | 14:52 |
| * lcuk giggles at another hit on his keyword bingo | 14:52 | |
| xnt1337 | LOL http://i.gizmodo.com/5159827/computer-crashes-due-to-an-internal-worm-literally | 14:52 |
| RST38h | decent | 14:52 |
| aquatix | lcuk: hm? | 14:52 |
| RST38h | aside from a weird scanline effect that pops up in direct sunlight | 14:52 |
| lcuk | " breasts" :D | 14:53 |
| aquatix | yeah, what RST38h says | 14:53 |
| lcuk | brb | 14:53 |
| rmt | I could wait for a Pixel-Qi display for ebooks, but then it probably won't be in a device I want in the near future anyway.. | 14:53 |
| xnt1337 | RST38h: what scanline effect? | 14:53 |
| aquatix | lcuk: oh, i read buzzword bingo | 14:53 |
| aquatix | xnt1337: you see some refresh rate | 14:53 |
| RST38h | xnt: try taking your tablet out and holding it under the sun | 14:53 |
| aquatix | somehow | 14:53 |
| RST38h | xnt: you will see slight flickering horizontal lines | 14:53 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: any idea how that's possible btw? | 14:53 |
| aquatix | i have wondered myself | 14:54 |
| RST38h | xnt: it is only visible under direct light | 14:54 |
| xnt1337 | ok | 14:54 |
| RST38h | aquatix; well, the screen does have to refresh | 14:54 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: myeah | 14:54 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I guess when it refreshes the crystals shift a bit :) | 14:54 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:55 |
| RST38h | by "shift" I mean changing polarization of course :) | 14:55 |
| lcuk | in sunlight the tablet goes greyscale | 14:56 |
| lcuk | all the color washes from it | 14:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not all color, really :) | 14:56 |
| RST38h | it does look bleaker, yes | 14:56 |
| RST38h | but does not lose the image like most laptops | 14:56 |
| lcuk | no, it doesnt lose the image, but the saturation drops quickly | 14:56 |
| RST38h | yea | 14:57 |
| rmt | I'm guessing that the 810 would be a good companion device to language learning (I'm in Italy at the moment, learning the language half the time) .. jot down new words/maintain my own dictionary, have a grammar reference in there, and a proper Italian-English dictionary.. Stardict should do the job, I guess.. any (better) other/commercial dictionaries? | 14:57 |
| RST38h | none | 14:57 |
| lcuk | the internet | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Stardict is pretty much what you will have to use | 14:57 |
| RST38h | unless you want to go online | 14:57 |
| rmt | Probably not an option in the classroom.. okay, will explore stardict some more. | 14:57 |
| RST38h | well, if you have a decent data plan, you can use internet from the classroom | 14:58 |
| RST38h | connecting through a phone is really painless with n8x0 | 14:58 |
| rmt | Might be a possibility for a couple of months.. no great data plans.. but I think €9/month for 250MB should be enough for classroom usage. | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | mm, didn't the "iphone subscriptions" hit italy yet? | 14:59 |
| rmt | Prepaid.. not here long enough for a contract. | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:00 |
| rmt | Last contract I got was in Germany (2 years).. had it for 2 months before leaving for a contract in Holland. Not quite worth it. | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand the n810 is an excellent travel device. | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | it has saved my ass so many times, heh | 15:01 |
| rmt | Yeah.. was thinking that walking around new cities would be great with it. It has apps to use OpenStreetMap, yes? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | maemomapper is excellent | 15:02 |
| aquatix | rmt: 250MB/month for regular light browsing should suffice i think | 15:02 |
| rmt | Got enough WiFi hotspots at cafes for the normal places I'd use it. :-) | 15:02 |
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| * lcuk cannot get rid of this cough | 15:06 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: eat some liqorice? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | i tried everything, medicine to seeing the doctor - i even installed Norton AV | 15:07 |
| aquatix | heh | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | :D liquorice | 15:07 |
| lcuk | where would i get some | 15:07 |
| lcuk | /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld/widgets/liquorice.c | 15:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: not sure | 15:08 |
| * lcuk hates that path | 15:08 | |
| aquatix | here you can get it everywhere | 15:08 |
| lcuk | i'd prolly be arrested if i tried to buy some liquorice here | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | "scuse me mate, you got any liquorice?" | 15:09 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | goin workin again anyway | 15:11 |
| * lcuk deletes 20 fields and adds 3 | 15:11 | |
| andre__ | argh. fullquote + answering above the quote in bugzilla. i should define a "do this again and you get blocked" policy :-/ | 15:12 |
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| rmt | Does the N810 have an accelerator meter or a compass? | 15:14 |
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| aquatix | nope | 15:14 |
| rmt | Sad, but not that important. | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: next one (RX-51) seems to have though. and i think someone did a hw mod for it too | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | internettablettalk.com/forums is a good place to look up all the crazy stuff people do with this stuff :P | 15:15 |
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| rmt | Is there any anticipated date for the RX-51 ? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but we're eagerly awaiting :P | 15:18 |
| aquatix | indeed | 15:18 |
| * rmt twiddles his thumbs impatiently.. what about now? | 15:19 | |
| Stskeeps | rmt: i'll (sadly) have to warn you that Nokia is not porting the new OS for RX-51 to the older tablets :/ | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | we are working on backports of many of the components though (wiki.maemo.org/Mer ) | 15:19 |
| rmt | Okay. | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | which may prove to be even more useful in action than Fremantle, heh | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | (but that's just cos i'm biased.) | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: Speaking of Mer, has the situation with binary components changed? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not yet, but so far combination of kernel+rootfs and initfs staying there works.. and since we can now communicate with BME | 15:22 |
| xnt1337 | I am richer http://i.gizmodo.com/5159107/i-am-richer-app-pops-up-in-android-marketplace-for-200 | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, i am waiting for any progress on that too :/ | 15:22 |
| RST38h | ahh | 15:22 |
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| xnt1337 | lol that wants me to install i-am-free on my n810 | 15:24 |
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| xnt1337 | i mean makes me, lol my Keyboard suck | 15:24 |
| xnt1337 | i mean sucks | 15:24 |
| RST38h | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/022309-i-am-richer-app-appears.html?page=1 <-- Android developers having same problems as iPhone ones (not directly related to I am Richer thing) | 15:24 |
| rmt | I wish I were still working, then I'd feel much better about spending over €300 on a whim. Might wait for a little while longer before buying something. :-( | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | 300? for a N810? :P | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's slightly less these days | 15:25 |
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| xnt1337 | lol I wonder if google is gonna take down the I am richer app | 15:26 |
| xnt1337 | I got my n810 for 250 | 15:26 |
| rmt | Probably possible.. but in Italy, all technology costs more .. same 20% VAT as Germany, of course.. | 15:28 |
| xnt1337 | ok I gotta go to School :) | 15:28 |
| rmt | Yet trying to order technology across borders here is just painful.. Amazon doesn't do it, nor most other online stores. | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | well then again we do have them within EU :P | 15:29 |
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| zakkm | sell you guys a good condition n800 + F-F adapter (working ) for $150 Canadian ( US is worth more..) | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | getting rid of it for what reason? :P (also, iTT selling forums is decent too) | 15:31 |
| zakkm | lack of using mostly | 15:31 |
| zakkm | bought a 22" WS, thinking i was getting a high paycheque and i was wrong | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:32 |
| zakkm | havent used it since mer 0.6 came out ;p | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm, 0.8 was certainly a lot more sane | 15:33 |
| zakkm | yeah i read the forum | 15:33 |
| zakkm | going to wait until mer is equal to maemo somewhat | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of, btw? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | curious question | 15:34 |
| zakkm | apps / proper battery life | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, we do have lock screen now and wifi power saving :> | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Hehehhe: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php?file=java.png | 15:35 |
| zakkm | yeah thats cool | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Enjoy :) | 15:35 |
| zakkm | icq ;o | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: neat | 15:35 |
| zakkm | wow its been yearss | 15:35 |
| RST38h | That is Jalimo though | 15:36 |
| RST38h | n8xx.com folks say it runs but is a bit unstabke | 15:36 |
| zakkm | on the java thingy it looks like its running icq though | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i should really try openjdk on mer sometime.. | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | qole claims it actually works | 15:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: it is kinda pointless though | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Sts: Too large, too heavy on CPU | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: true | 15:37 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a j2me though. | 15:37 | |
| zakkm | probably totally wrong but i thought the tablet is suppose to have like native java or something | 15:37 |
| zakkm | java acceleration of some sort | 15:38 |
| oli | you'd run opera mini on it :) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, jazelle, but nokia didn't license it | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 15:38 |
| RST38h | zakkm: No. | 15:38 |
| RST38h | The CPU has jazellebut it is not being used | 15:38 |
| RST38h | and there is no Nokia's JVM on the tablet | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | The chip does, but it's not exposed | 15:38 |
| zakkm | no mer stuff that would expose that? :p | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is exposed, afaik | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: BJ <address> :) | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Anyone knew you can videocall from rtcomm to jabber clients? | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Well, true. I was trying to use "enabled". There is no technology available for Maemo to exploit the Jazelle extensions | 15:39 |
| zakkm | why not? sounds like that would be a big release | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that actually works? | 15:40 |
| zakkm | how come when i did gizmo videochat.. the other person just got pixels | 15:40 |
| zakkm | like lots of pixels | 15:40 |
| zakkm | like 10x10 resolution.. | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | did you pop out the camera? ;p | 15:40 |
| zakkm | yes | 15:40 |
| zakkm | it showed it perfectly for me | 15:40 |
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| zakkm | im like you watching? there like its just pixels.. * sent screenshot * im like -.- | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: The only official word is that Nokia did not consider Java applets a big selling point in its core "Internet tablet" use. There's no official comment on why there's no sponsored Java development environment, though | 15:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Apparently it does, there is a proof image | 15:42 |
| zakkm | ah dont have a screenshot to show but it was really terrible | 15:42 |
| zakkm | oh wait i do | 15:42 |
| RST38h | jaffa: jalimo guys aren't using Jazelle? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: maybe you are actually just a digital lifeform and you don't know it yourself.. | 15:43 |
| * RST38h remembers this mentioned somewhere and has got an impression Jazlimo did use Jazelle | 15:43 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: lardman and others on maemo-dev were trying to reverse engineer the context you needed to make BJ <address> work in practice. I don't think they ever got any code actually executing | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: No, there's no Jazelle being used by Jalimo AFAIK. | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, i recall | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | Just straight bytecode -> ARM JIT. | 15:43 |
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| zakkm | http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5720/picture1b.jpg | 15:43 |
| zakkm | thats crazy for something that calls "video support" | 15:44 |
| zakkm | thats my bed by the way | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: makes sense really.. using another instruction set | 15:44 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: wtf | 15:44 |
| zakkm | aquatix : thats videochat with gizmo from my n800 | 15:45 |
| zakkm | it just shows pixels for the person im chattign with | 15:45 |
| RST38h | zakkm: Who is in the bottom right crner? =) | 15:46 |
| zakkm | lol a friend | 15:46 |
| zakkm | besides the point , why does that happen ? like for my end.. it shows perfect "webcam" | 15:47 |
| aquatix | well, your bed is barely recognisable | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: probably codec issues | 15:48 |
| zakkm | its gizmo and gizmo? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well :P | 15:49 |
| zakkm | windows too | 15:49 |
| zakkm | not like a svn linux version or something | 15:50 |
| zakkm | by the way, for reference.. thesource by circuit city.. sells female to female usb adapters.. ( canada + US ) | 15:50 |
| zakkm | for those looking | 15:50 |
| * Stskeeps found f-f adaptors in .dk at some obscure shop. delivered next day. was impressed. | 15:51 | |
| zakkm | i got in store :P | 15:51 |
| zakkm | at the mall | 15:51 |
| zakkm | how much you pay? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | not much.. like 5$ | 15:51 |
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| zakkm | would a female usb to miniusb( the nokia "port" i think its called miniusb) work? | 15:52 |
| zakkm | for usb keyboard? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | guess so | 15:53 |
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| zakkm | that would save space then ;p | 15:53 |
| AstralStorm | n800 has miniusb, yes | 15:53 |
| zakkm | would it work though | 15:54 |
| zakkm | would it accept usb devices | 15:54 |
| AstralStorm | n810 has microusb, major PITA | 15:54 |
| aquatix | zakkm: don't you need a special `usb host' connector for that? | 15:55 |
| zakkm | thats my question | 15:55 |
| zakkm | would i | 15:55 |
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| zakkm | i saw a female usb to miniusb adapter at like the dollar store and it got me curious | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: actually mine works fine with f-f adaptor | 15:55 |
| zakkm | f-f works perfectly for me too | 15:56 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: interesting | 15:56 |
| zakkm | awesome actuallly, but its like cable + adapter + cable | 15:56 |
| zakkm | i want just adapter + cable :P | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | but i do need usb hub to make it anything sane | 15:56 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: usb hub for what? | 15:56 |
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| aquatix | i want to get some usb stuff too, so i can use thumbdrives and such with my n810 | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: there's a limited power budget on tablets | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | like 200mA | 15:57 |
| aquatix | and/or card reader | 15:57 |
| zakkm | ah | 15:57 |
| zakkm | only tried keyboard | 15:57 |
| zakkm | it was cool ;p | 15:57 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:57 |
| zakkm | fast too | 15:57 |
| aquatix | and hooking up a keyboard would be cool too indeed | 15:57 |
| zakkm | its weird though ;p | 15:58 |
| aquatix | my bt foldable keyboard already owns | 15:58 |
| aquatix | hehe | 15:58 |
| zakkm | yeah those are good expensive though | 15:58 |
| zakkm | its weird with nokia + cable + adapter + normal usb keyboard | 15:58 |
| aquatix | yep | 15:58 |
| zakkm | too much wiring and looks odd | 15:58 |
| aquatix | bought it just when iGo stopped making them | 15:58 |
| AstralStorm | Stskeeps: 100mA really | 15:58 |
| AstralStorm | it actually has 2 USB ports | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | a secondary one hidden inside? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | like, unwired | 16:00 |
| AstralStorm | yes, not connected | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting | 16:02 |
| AstralStorm | yep | 16:02 |
| oli | it would work if I solder some wires and plug? :> | 16:02 |
| dneary | I understand why those test users have so much karma | 16:03 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Sure, they have Ferenc's email or something like that? | 16:03 |
| dneary | The email addresses (ferenc@maemo.org and marcell.lengyel@nokia.com) have lots of bugs & discussion associate | 16:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Yeah, Ferenc & Marcell | 16:04 |
| AstralStorm | oli: if you add traces | 16:04 |
| AstralStorm | not easy | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Not new, really :) | 16:04 |
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| AstralStorm | dneary: why do you expose them to spam? | 16:04 |
| dneary | AstralStorm: Because they deserve it <grin> | 16:08 |
| dneary | AstralStorm: Just testing Nokia's spam filters | 16:08 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo, fixed my Fn key | 16:28 |
| * Jaffa wants Mer on a dark red UMID Mbook: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/02/umid_mbook_at_mwc_2009.html | 16:30 | |
| Jaffa | Or Ubuntu Netbook Remix | 16:31 |
| udovdh | hello | 16:32 |
| udovdh | I am trying to install e2fsprogs | 16:32 |
| udovdh | on my n810 with OS2008 | 16:32 |
| udovdh | I get this: http://pastebin.com/d4297d717 | 16:32 |
| udovdh | what is the right thing to do? | 16:32 |
| udovdh | what is the libuuid1 thing? | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, i saw that this morning somewhere, very attractive | 16:37 |
| udovdh | how to install e2fsprogs in maemo on n810? | 16:37 |
| udovdh | I get this: http://pastebin.com/d4297d717 | 16:37 |
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| udovdh | why the vague libuuid1 thing? | 16:37 |
| Jaffa | Maybe the form factor of RX-51/Rover will be more conducive to longer typing sessions (N810 form factor with a better keyboard) | 16:37 |
| sgh_ | hi | 16:38 |
| RST38h | What is Rover? | 16:38 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: hope so | 16:38 |
| * lcuk would like to ignore which device im at. i dont mind the size/factor of the 810 keyb0oard because most of the time ive got alternatives | 16:38 | |
| * lcuk just wants his useful data where needed | 16:38 | |
| sgh_ | I have a crash when trying to read the files from a directory using qt in armel target in a thread | 16:39 |
| sgh_ | does anyone know what could be the cause of this? | 16:39 |
| lcuk | bad code? | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/clutter/debian/changelog?sortby=date&root=maemo&r1=17505&r2=17504&pathrev=17505 | 16:39 |
| * lcuk screwed up directory parsing in the past | 16:40 | |
| Stskeeps | sgh_: running in scratchbox might provoke odd results :/ | 16:40 |
| sgh_ | the same thing happens when trying to application on the device | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, i want Mer on that thing too. | 16:40 |
| sgh_ | it just enumerates the files and then crashes | 16:41 |
| sgh_ | it's a very small application | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | got a backtrace? easier to help :P | 16:41 |
| sgh_ | it have a thread different than the main which looks for the files in the home directory | 16:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Mmm? | 16:42 |
| sgh_ | it has | 16:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: No mention of Rover there | 16:42 |
| lcuk | jaffa, mmmn interesting | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: leftmost | 16:42 |
| sgh_ | i'm not very familiar with this backtrace | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | sgh_: core dumps, gdb, stack backtraces :P | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Ahh | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Sts,Jaffa: thanks =) | 16:43 |
| RST38h | A LEAK! | 16:43 |
| udovdh | where is the repo for e2fsprogs for os2008? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: meh, not much to use it for. | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: more of a drop | 16:46 |
| sgh_ | I don't have any core file | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Sts: But neat anyway: we can now match this name against other Nokia leaks | 16:46 |
| sp3000 | dougt: doesn't seem to be available, same as for other maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: stskeeps and I already tried without much success | 16:46 |
| sgh_ | it seems it doesn't generate one | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Anyone up for extreme yachting? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123543023154353525.html | 16:46 |
| sgh_ | I could provide you the code if you could help me | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: including upcoming leaks =) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nothing matching, so yeah | 16:47 |
| sgh_ | there only 5 files + a .pro one | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | at least the roadmap | 16:47 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: whoa, that umid is cute | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | sgh_, it should not take 5 files to enumerate a folder (which is where you say the fault is). add lots of printf() type debug messages to your code and check where it stops running manually yourself | 16:54 |
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| udovdh | http://paste2.org/p/153867 | 16:57 |
| udovdh | why is this happening? | 16:57 |
| udovdh | I cannot insatll e2fsprogs this way | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: you are -probably- behind some kind of firewall | 16:57 |
| udovdh | which works fine for all other sites? | 16:57 |
| udovdh | the n810 can reach the net | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise, file a bug report | 16:58 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why repository.maemo.org is slow today. | 16:58 | |
| X-Fade | udovdh: Does this happen everytime? | 16:58 |
| udovdh | X-Fade, tried a few times | 16:58 |
| udovdh | now it is slower | 16:58 |
| udovdh | just need e2fsprogs | 16:59 |
| RST38h | udovdh: what country? | 16:59 |
| udovdh | I am in the Netherlands | 16:59 |
| udovdh | same 404's now | 17:00 |
| RST38h | that's bad | 17:00 |
| RST38h | let me try from us | 17:00 |
| RST38h | 2009-02-25 10:00:40 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: it's broken. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | yup, getting 404 too | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: you have set up your sources wrong | 17:01 |
| RST38h | AH i KNOW WHY | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | Refreshing it on my tablet now. Let me see. | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Your repo address is wrong | 17:01 |
| udovdh | Stskeeps, what must I change? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: well i don't know how your sources list look but one of them is wrong | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | Worksforme[tm] ? | 17:02 |
| udovdh | http://paste2.org/p/153868 ? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | udovdh: you should use diablo/tools or diabo/sdk | 17:02 |
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| X-Fade | udovdh: Ah yes, you are trying to use the SDK repo on the device? | 17:03 |
| udovdh | dunno | 17:03 |
| udovdh | I just need e2fsprogs | 17:03 |
| udovdh | what line needs change? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: afaik e2fsprogs is in extras | 17:03 |
| udovdh | apt-get insatll wget works | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | udovdh: Easiest way is just to wget it if you need it from SDK repo. | 17:03 |
| udovdh | apt-get install e2fsprogs doesn't | 17:03 |
| udovdh | apt-get is the easy way? | 17:04 |
| udovdh | if itworks? | 17:04 |
| udovdh | wget is nice as well | 17:04 |
| udovdh | but a workaround | 17:04 |
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| X-Fade | udovdh: But if you one day type: apt-get dist-upgrade, you brick your device.. | 17:04 |
| udovdh | anyone with a direct url to e2fsprogs? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Sounds like fun | 17:04 |
| udovdh | X-Fade, yes, so what line in that file do I change? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | udovdh: You can open that URL in firefox and navigate | 17:04 |
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| udovdh | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 17:05 |
| udovdh | no e2fsprogs? | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | udovdh: Hmm I see it too. That is not right. | 17:06 |
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| udovdh | so maybe apt-get is ok here | 17:07 |
| udovdh | but not the site? | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Newest version here btw, but no deb there too: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 17:07 |
| udovdh | thanks | 17:07 |
| udovdh | but no deb for e2fsprogs? | 17:08 |
| udovdh | any idea why? | 17:08 |
| udovdh | I could bitbake it probably | 17:08 |
| udovdh | but I'd like to try the repository | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | No, sounds like a bug.. | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 17:09 |
| udovdh | Stskeeps, thanks | 17:09 |
| udovdh | yes... | 17:09 |
| sampo | is there newer gstreamer than 0.10.13 anywhere for maemo4 ? | 17:10 |
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| udovdh | Stskeeps, now that site is frozen slow | 17:14 |
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| FuzzyBunny | hi | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | Whoever wanted a file manager try this: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php?file=rox-filer_2.8-1_armel.deb | 17:18 |
| RST38h | (I can't, don't have tablet handy) | 17:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Is it hildonized? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | apparently | 17:19 |
| FuzzyBunny | hey qwerty12 | 17:19 |
| FuzzyBunny | you all stird | 17:19 |
| FuzzyBunny | sorry, that was my stupid friend | 17:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Google translates "Ответы на вопросы о таблетках" as "Answers to questions about the pills" - hmm... | 17:21 |
| FuzzyBunny | lol | 17:21 |
| * RST38h translates it as a string of unicode garbage =) | 17:22 | |
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| qwerty12 | If it is hildonized, it should have more dependencies than:"Depends: shared-mime-info (>= 0.16) | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | " :) | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | Then again, it sounds like it's missing a shlibs thing | 17:24 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Try installing it =) | 17:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Yes, good idea, I'm being OTT here :p | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | judging from rox filer screenshot, you may not even NEED to have it hildonized | 17:27 |
| RST38h | really minimal stuff | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Does Avahi or similar exist for Windows? I've gotten rather used to typing my N800's hostname under linux when I need to ssh into it. | 17:29 |
| RST38h | there is a hosts file | 17:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Aye, but I don't keep a static IP on my N800. I guess though, there is nothing stopping me... | 17:30 |
| RST38h | just assign it a static IP - I did | 17:30 |
| RST38h | There is absolutely no need to use dynamic IPs for clients residing in your home | 17:30 |
| udovdh | hello | 17:30 |
| udovdh | just installed e2fstools plus dependencies | 17:30 |
| udovdh | now I try to mount the card | 17:30 |
| udovdh | but it fails | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: rendezvous/applet's stuff | 17:31 |
| udovdh | although i think I use correct paths etc | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/somethingsomething/{jbd,mbcache,ext2,ext3}.ko | 17:31 |
| udovdh | mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc2 | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked, thanks | 17:31 |
| udovdh | argh! | 17:31 |
| udovdh | no auto module loading? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 17:31 |
| udovdh | are we back to 1994? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:31 |
| udovdh | this 2009, right? | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, yeah, but I'm too lazy to assign static ip's to all my siblings computers :p | 17:31 |
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| udovdh | which persons decided tro push this to the market? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: it's an embedded system, in their eyes.. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Make them do it themselves =) | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | It's really not hard to make a simple script that insmods the modules manually. | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | or back then | 17:32 |
| udovdh | I guess we do need a non-nokia distro for the n8xx? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: can you upload patched apt source somewhere btw? | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | udovdh: we do have quite a few | 17:32 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, yes, but that is a workaround | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, ha. :P | 17:32 |
| udovdh | Stskeeps, do they have full driver support? | 17:32 |
| udovdh | wifi? | 17:32 |
| udovdh | if so I will install one soon | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: yeah, as long as you use same kernel it is fairly simple :P | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if this ext3 driver for windows works... | 17:33 |
| udovdh | same kernel, different distro | 17:33 |
| udovdh | ok | 17:33 |
| udovdh | will wlook into this | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, nuked your distro? | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no, I feel like playing GTA :) | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | explore2fs worked, lemme upload from winscp :) | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | ta :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'll test it tomorrow probably, if my flu has lifted sufficiently | 17:35 |
| udovdh | does maemo have libdbus 1-3 ? | 17:36 |
| udovdh | >= 1.0.3? | 17:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.diff.gz , http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.dsc & http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/apt_0.7.20.2ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz (diff.gz contains changes plus a few files I forgot to cleanup) :) | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 17:38 |
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| udovdh | what provides libgmodule ? | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, I wouldn't call rox-filer unusable but certainly not hildonized | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Worth installing though? | 17:45 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Anyways, look at this: http://n8xx.com/uploads.php | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | It's missing a menu and because there's no right click, I'm unsure as to how you actually move files around (unless there is a keyboard shortcut or somesuch - if so, on a N800, makes it useless for me) | 17:46 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Ignore the text, type partial program name into the third input from the left and click on the leftmost button | 17:47 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It is not supposed to have a menu judging from screenshots | 17:47 |
| RST38h | noted about right click | 17:47 |
| jeremiah_ | andre__: Wow. I just installed trac on an older Ubuntu machine - it is a pain in the ass to install. | 17:47 |
| jeremiah_ | andre__: I am glad we are running bugzilla and you did not listen to me to install trac. | 17:48 |
| udovdh | what provides Package update-rc.d ? | 17:48 |
| jeremiah_ | andre__: Although, GNOME's bugzilla installation is cleaner looking, but I guess that is a template issue. :) | 17:48 |
| andre__ | gnome bugzilla has lots of custom patches in | 17:49 |
| andre__ | there's currently work ongoing to get them upstream for bugzilla 3.4 | 17:49 |
| jeremiah_ | ah | 17:49 |
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| mavhc | rox was based on risc os which has no menu bar, only popup menus | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Been a long time since I've seen an Acorn :) | 17:55 |
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| Jaffa | mavhc: s/was/is/ | 17:56 |
| mavhc | well, it seems to have gained lots of non riscosy features | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | True | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Anyone found the right button in the tablet port? :) | 17:57 |
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| mavhc | in rdesktop clicking then pressing the menu button does a right click | 18:10 |
| RST38h | http://www.wallstreetprisonconsultants.com/ | 18:14 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, the successor of RX-51 is alive :) http://ping.fm/zgAOv | 18:29 |
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| Jaffa | Reading the blurb may gives clues to Fremantle | 18:31 |
| timelE61i | or not | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | or not | 18:32 |
| timelE61i | Since i've never heard of t :) | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | Does anything in there sound familiar? | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | Or is it all marketing/designer wankware? | 18:32 |
| timelE61i | nOt at all :) | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: But still fun ;) | 18:32 |
| timelE61i | But they don't talk to us | 18:33 |
| timelE61i | So it could be real :) | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | I'm sure there are a lot of protos that the outside never sees. And they should be thinking about the future, everybody else does ;) | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, nice rumour.. nothing more. | 18:38 |
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| wazd_hp | http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nokia-sparrow-mock-up.jpg | 18:41 |
| wazd_hp | uber-crazy stuff | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | They're not convincing me with the year being 09 and it having the OS2007 interface :) | 18:43 |
| wazd_hp | qwerty12: it's n800 frankenstein) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, that keyboard doesn't look appealing to me imo | 18:44 |
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| dougt | timeless: yt | 18:45 |
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| wazd_hp | qwerty12: well, it's said that this is just a mockup made according to Eldar Murtazin's words | 18:46 |
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| timelE61i | kinda | 18:46 |
| wazd_hp | qwerty12: that's russian "famous mobile analyst" xD | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd_hp, the mobile review guy? | 18:47 |
| wazd_hp | qwerty12: yep) | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | We looked and couldn't find your cores, we're unsure the upload went somewhere | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_hp, Hehe, used to go on that site a *lot* :D | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | I'll see about sending toy a dbg deb shortly | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | First i need to poke my workstation a bit | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | sp3000 could answer other q's | 18:47 |
| dougt | timelE61i: what does it mean if my crashes with a sig11 but doesn't produce a core even though /media/mmc2/core-dumps exists and has space? | 18:48 |
| dougt | s/my/my app | 18:48 |
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| uE1 | Anyone know where I can find osso-ic.h? | 18:51 |
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| timelE61i | dOugt: 1 - is ulimit 0? | 18:51 |
| uE1 | I am trying to install mauku and I am stuck on this header. | 18:51 |
| timelE61i | 2 - if nitro is active, it should be stealing your cores | 18:52 |
| uE1 | install -> build | 18:52 |
| timelE61i | Check /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 18:52 |
| timelE61i | If it starts w/ a pipe, nitro is stealing | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | uE1, icd2-osso-ic-dev | 18:53 |
| uE1 | Ah ha! thanks qwert12 | 18:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is anybody using athf-splash or maemoorg-splash without bootmenu? | 18:56 |
| dougt | timelE61i: |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper | 18:56 |
| dougt | nitro disabled in prefs/control-panel | 18:57 |
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| timelE61i | dougt: well.. Gah, nitro is kinda lame | 18:57 |
| dougt | timelE61i: yeah, i do not see any cores I have created since last night | 18:58 |
| timelE61i | Su echo /media/mmc1/core-dumps > /proc.... | 18:58 |
| timelE61i | In theory if nitro was enabled it should have collected them and offered to send them | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Not if Control Panel > About has the version listed as "<unknown>"... | 18:59 |
| timelE61i | ? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Means that the version information in /dev/mtd1 is messed up and NITRO refuses to start if it's messed up | 19:01 |
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| slonopotamus | pssst! what NITRO is? | 19:01 |
| timelE61i | tHink netscape talkback | 19:02 |
| timelE61i | s/netscape/nokia/;s/talkback/NITRO/ | 19:03 |
| timelE61i | Basically it lets you send core dumps to nokia for statistical analysis | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 19:04 |
| dougt | optional slonopotamus | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | uh? i'm not optional | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | i'm required | 19:05 |
| dougt | says you. ;-D | 19:06 |
| dougt | here is a comma. | 19:06 |
| dougt | , | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I think the maemo.org logo isn't big enough to cover the Nokia logo for people without bootmenu. | 19:06 |
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| dougt | so, maemo hackers... if I am not getting core's, and ulimit is unlimited, is there anything else to try? | 19:14 |
| timeless | dougt did you change that core_pattern back to normal? | 19:14 |
| timeless | until you do, you won't | 19:14 |
| dougt | "normal" == empty || "normal | 19:15 |
| dougt | " == path to core-dumps | 19:15 |
| timeless | i gave you the beginning of the echo command | 19:15 |
| dougt | yeah, i did that. | 19:15 |
| dougt | and no luck | 19:15 |
| timeless | you should probably get someone to verify the exact string | 19:15 |
| timeless | i'm typing from memory | 19:15 |
| dougt | googles... | 19:16 |
| dougt | just a file name | 19:17 |
| dougt | timeless: core, or whatever magic formating you wanna do | 19:17 |
| timeless | you want the maemo string not the linux default :) | 19:17 |
| sp3000 | |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper is normal :) | 19:17 |
| timeless | if you uninstall nitro, and reboot, you should get the default back :) | 19:17 |
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| timeless | although sp3000 and i would like to know why nitro didn't send them somewhere useful | 19:18 |
| timeless | although... disabling nitro certainly won't get you anything useful ... | 19:18 |
| dougt | ls | 19:19 |
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| timeless | sp3000: swift2:80 is up :) | 19:20 |
| darkblue_B | hi all- I found a stray file this morning on an N800 at root directory, /grsync.service.. I see that there are many services in /usr/share/dbus-1/services.. | 19:20 |
| darkblue_B | a) can I just pop this file there, where it was likely to be intended to go? | 19:21 |
| darkblue_B | b) can I read something briefly about this services directory somewhere? | 19:21 |
| timeless | darkblue: you should use dpkg -S to find out which stupid package messed up and file a bug :) | 19:22 |
| darkblue_B | well, grsync | 19:22 |
| darkblue_B | I believe... but ok, I can try | 19:22 |
| timeless | iirc those files are plain text, so you can read them and decide if it's likely to work | 19:22 |
| darkblue_B | you assume I will understand what I see :-) | 19:23 |
| timeless | sp3000: so, i've switched from the loaner box to romaxa's tinderbox. the usb drive is 140g, the box host drive is 70g | 19:23 |
| timeless | depressing, ain't it? | 19:23 |
| sp3000 | heh | 19:23 |
| timeless | nah, but plain text is plaint text | 19:23 |
| sp3000 | it's still bigger, right? :) | 19:24 |
| timeless | but at least this box has 4g of ram and dual xeon (ht) | 19:24 |
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| timeless | i think we'll return the other box now, it served some purpose, but.. | 19:24 |
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| darkblue_B | ok, so i moved the file.. I guess I wont be reading about dbus-1/services.. where to file a bug? | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh. n800 look :P | 19:32 |
| darkblue_B | the authors email is listed on the general web site for the sfwr.. I guess I'll just send it to him | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/atandt-quickfire-could-overheat-spontaneously-burst-into-irony-if/ | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | hah. | 19:40 |
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| darkblue_B | well /usr/share/dbus-1/services is apparently the place you put something to make a menu option in the Maemo GUI | 19:48 |
| darkblue_B | good thing you guys pointed that out when I asked about it | 19:49 |
| darkblue_B | otherwise I'd be totally lost | 19:49 |
| darkblue_B | :-/ | 19:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | lo Khertan_n810 | 19:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lo stskeeps | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | does someone can explain me why some garage project have there bugtacker on bugs.maemo.org and some on the bugtracker of garage | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | . | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | They're VIP | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, we like them more than you. :P | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want a product, just ask. | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ... | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ... | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | if i ask, this is because mnotes is on bugzilla | 19:54 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: hey.. is there a list of needed packages from maemo to build into mer? | 19:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and my other products on garage :) | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, poke andre__ or timeless and they can set up some more for you. | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | and an other question, how to see all bugs related on mnotes on bugzilla | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok thx gan | 19:55 |
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| andre__ | bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-dsp-loader/ is a good start, there's a deblet package on http://packages.tspre.org/pool/contrib/o/osso-dsp-loader/ | 19:56 |
| andre__ | Khertan_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Extras&product=mNotes&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&keywords_type=allwords&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=mNotes | 19:57 |
| andre__ | pah. too easy :-P | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | thanks | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Timeless's random product adding actually worked? :P | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | gnié ? | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, yeah, when other people are there to poke the maintainers. :P | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:58 |
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| andre__ | that's why i have my doubts that it's useful. if maintainers themselves ask to get their product into b.g.o it's something else... :-P | 19:59 |
| andre__ | but "hey, i create a bugtracker for you because it's easier for me to file bugs against your product in my bugtracker" is not the aim :-P | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__ is revealing his true loyalties. :P | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ... but have you try to use the one on garage ? | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Khertan_n810, yes I have. | 20:01 |
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| andre__ | oh well. just clarifying my position :) | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think that the bugzilla one is far away better | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, b.g.o :P | 20:02 |
| andre__ | argh | 20:02 |
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| * Jaffa should get mediautils' bugs moved from garage <big-shudder/> to Bugzilla <minor-shudder/> | 20:02 | |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, *cough* err... "b.g.o is our internal codename for maemo.org Bugzilla. you know nokia, they always have funny names, like rx-44 and so" :-P | 20:03 |
| * timeless coughs | 20:03 | |
| andre__ | ;-) | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rover is interesting | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fits with the space theme, though it's a diversion from the Russians. | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet the next tablet is -actually- a car entertainment system. | 20:04 |
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| slonopotamus | quiver happily lead tablet to reboot (oom) by trying to generate preview for 4117 x 4392 300kb png | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, also: Atom. | 20:05 |
| slonopotamus | ugly | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps and WinMob 6.5 | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | All this nonsense about continued Maemo development is actually just a diversion. | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you could *almost* imagine it as a product name ("access the Internet whilst roving around") | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is what they're replacing Internet Tablet with, then? ;) | 20:06 |
| * Jaffa shushes himself. | 20:07 | |
| Stskeeps | http://news.cnet.com/Nokia-makes-inroads-into-Land-Rover/2100-1039_3-5399018.html | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | it could almost be true .. ;P | 20:08 |
| darkblue_B | Maemo is a dead end.. its being moved to the mer project | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | er, no :P | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Nice joke | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | WinMob 6.5 and car navigation are probably why they're delaying the product announcement. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They want to put off the riots for as long as possible. ;) | 20:10 |
| darkblue_B | well what then> | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: mer doesn't exist without maemo, and if anything, mer is a different approach to the maemo platform | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | and mer isn't a nokia project. | 20:10 |
| lcuk | jaffa, it could also be a network protocol "red rover, red rover, send something right over" | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | only reason we can do Mer is because of Nokia's open sourcing a quite well written touch/stylus desktop for tablets | 20:11 |
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| darkblue_B | so there are more Meamo devices coming then? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes, RX-51 | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | but also Mer will provide a lot of different HW with the maemo platform :P | 20:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles tosses some more capital M's into the room. | 20:13 | |
| * lcuk loves maeMo | 20:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i kinda don't want to call it Maemo as Maemo implies the entire OS, whereas i often mean maemo, the hildon+etc mix :P | 20:13 |
| * lcuk never knows what anything means | 20:14 | |
| Stskeeps | or whatever :) | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, WTF? | 20:14 |
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| * GeneralAntilles throws old fruit at Stskeeps. | 20:14 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:14 |
| lcuk | quick Stskeeps make a soup | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | i had way too much soup lately | 20:14 |
| darkblue_B | thats a terrible way to distinguis things;.. I just suffered throgh onmouseover and onMouseOver in Dojo toolkit | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | unix, case sensitive ;p | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's invent arbitrary naming conventions to be more confusing." :P | 20:15 |
| lcuk | if you keep pissing of the general thats all you will be eating | 20:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits patiently for to see some nominations to decide whether or not he wants to run again. | 20:16 | |
| darkblue_B | RX-51 == N900 (?) | 20:17 |
| darkblue_B | looks like a rumor for 6 months now | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | darkblue_B, well, we don't actually know if it'll be called "N900" | 20:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, it's the next tablet. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a rumor. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you're hoping noone dares to nominate you so you can focus on being a maemo hacker? ;) | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, I'm basing my decision on who else runs. | 20:18 |
| darkblue_B | I like your platform, and I like other platforms too.. I cant dink around with Maemo or maemo if it isnt giong anywhere | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: it is going somewhere, fremantle and harmattan | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's even roadmaps | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | which not even mer has :P | 20:19 |
| darkblue_B | Qt ? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | planned for official support in harmattan | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan | 20:20 |
| darkblue_B | ok | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | so the maemo platform is definately going somewhere | 20:21 |
| lcuk | maemo has been going somewhere for years, we all take our devices out with us | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps watches gf play with the 770 | 20:23 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ditto. It sounded like anidel was going to nominate himself. | 20:24 |
| * Jaffa may well have to do so to try and be on the council when the next device is released :-) | 20:24 | |
| Jaffa | *cough* I mean to help serve the community | 20:25 |
| * lcuk pondered running for the council for about 0.000000000001 seconds before realising theres lots of bureaucracy involved | 20:26 | |
| qwerty12 | Community? Fuck those guys, if I join, it's all about me :p | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, does the council get to actually drive the direction of the community? :D as in a dictatorship | 20:27 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: we got to pick jeremiah | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: we piss people off quite easily if we get brusque | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: we get about 3 seconds head start on the announcement of some things | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's fun. | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hi, how are you today?" | 20:30 |
| lcuk | what about enslaving the natives and making them create follys and monuments to your greatness? | 20:31 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: not so much | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | "THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR I'D EXPECT FROM THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL!!" | 20:31 |
| lcuk | damn | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, but thats not the behaviour expected - they are below you and should never speak directly to you | 20:32 |
| lcuk | sir | 20:32 |
| lcuk | your itt pic should actually have you on a throne (just for a day :D) | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 20:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He should just use Rygel's image for his userpic =) | 20:34 |
| lcuk | PMSL | 20:34 |
| lcuk | took a quick google search but im gonna use his voice to read every single itt post in future now you bastard | 20:34 |
| oli | hey, what about maemo-barcode? is somebody working on it? | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | yes oli | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you've never seen Farscape? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | ive seen it, but never often enough to have instant recall of a single character from within | 20:37 |
| lcuk | <<< terrible memory | 20:37 |
| * lcuk remembers there was some blue bint and a pretty gal in it | 20:38 | |
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| lcuk | and some guy from wow | 20:38 |
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| * RST38h hasn't watched Farscape either, just a little bit | 20:38 | |
| oli | m-bcode is rather un-useful for n810 users :> | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | andrew de quincey .. any nickname associated? | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a great series. | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Chiana reminds me of http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Daphne%20Millbrook | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | oli, its not that bad - you just have to watch out that you dont bump the screen with your tin of beans | 20:41 |
| oli | lcuk: I'm wondering when would 2D barcodes become more popular... now I can see it only at computer-related pages under the articles | 20:42 |
| lcuk | they will become popular as used, it will take time though | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | is there a way in windows (or linux on tablet) to list the currently identified members in an ad-hoc network | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ive disconnected all the known clients and windows hasnt closed itself like it normally does | 20:44 |
| oli | lcuk: kismet/airodump-ng | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | holy crap, kismet is 45mb! | 20:48 |
| lcuk | but that does say one thing | 20:48 |
| oli | impossible :P | 20:48 |
| * lcuk knows which machine is on the net | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | not impossible | 20:49 |
| * Stskeeps sends off mail claiming to work on 770 wifi | 20:49 | |
| oli | lot of additional packages related to kismet? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | yeha | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | +to guy | 20:49 |
| oli | is't just a little, terminal app :> probably the best wifi scanning tool | 20:50 |
| darkblue_B | Q. I gather that adding a file to /usr/share/dbus-1/services with the 3 right lines in it adds something to the GUI menus to run a binary of some kind... | 20:50 |
| darkblue_B | .. so I have a faceless python app, I want to start | 20:50 |
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| darkblue_B | .. justmake a file like that? fair? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | oli, ive already got a net established, i just wanted to look in windows or linux itself to see what it already knew | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | didnt want to scan for more | 20:51 |
| lcuk | but nm anyway | 20:51 |
| lcuk | i solved issue | 20:51 |
| lcuk | it was the laptop | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | darkblue_B: no, /usr/share/applications/hildon | 20:51 |
| oli | lcuk: it shows detailed informations about network, including client list | 20:51 |
| oli | btw, after using monitor mode on my n800 (kismet, airodump-ng) it can't connect to WPA2 secured network until i reboot, is it normal? | 20:52 |
| darkblue_B | qwerty12_N800: for a non-GUI program? | 20:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gui doesn't make a difference. | 20:53 |
| darkblue_B | looking.. .desktop files | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oli: google for my build, i added a lot of niceities | 20:54 |
| darkblue_B | are these fields in the .desktop files documented somewhere? | 20:54 |
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| oli | qwerty12_N800: what does your script do? | 20:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i thought i'd explained it. but dpkg-deb -x is nice ;) | 20:58 |
| darkblue_B | (is that to me?) | 20:59 |
| darkblue_B | cant be | 21:00 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: how goes it? any suggestion (imager, etc. ) to get to a good current test point for Mer & 770? | 21:00 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: yes, but what way you'd used to reset connection? | 21:00 |
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| darkblue_B | what is this huge silence about docs? I asked where to read about .services, and now .desktoip files.. and a big nothing.. Is this a secret? | 21:01 |
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| darkblue_B | none of you read docs I know.. you are all psychic | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli: like I said, dpkg-deb. I'm not typing the commands again (iirc, it's decently commented) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: mmm. got a bit of a flu, but i have cx3110x-module-770 there now, but i have doubts on stability | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i had it working with wpasupplicant once though | 21:02 |
| r2d2rogers | sweet | 21:02 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: understand, flu ick! | 21:03 |
| oli | okay ;9 | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: but i've contacted a guy who was working on stlc45xx for 770 | 21:03 |
| r2d2rogers | we might be over all or ours, waiting to hear on how the 4 year old did today | 21:03 |
| r2d2rogers | \o/ | 21:03 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'll kick off the imager here and see what I get <G> | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i have a tar.gz too if you want to try :P | 21:05 |
| darkblue_B | ok, I am looking at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-1/ | 21:06 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: even better <G> | 21:06 |
| darkblue_B | clues as to where .desktop file fields might be ? | 21:06 |
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| darkblue_B | uh-huh wiki.maemo.org/Desktio_file_format | 21:07 |
| darkblue_B | thx so much | 21:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: rox-filer sucks. it uses glade which doesn't seem to agree with my tap n' hold and some other hildonising stuffs... | 21:10 |
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| darkblue_B | so then the next part.. I saw an app on which said "choose the menu item to turn it on, choose the menu item again to turn it off.. no indication of state, sorry thats the best I can do right now" | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | which is junky | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | I suppose I need a faced app to show status.. of off and on | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | (eg the menu wont show icons in one of two states ) | 21:11 |
| darkblue_B | python site-packages has hildondesktop | 21:13 |
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| darkblue_B | gee Internettablettalk keeps coming up | 21:16 |
| darkblue_B | I guess thats where to look | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | internettablettalk.com is both a hell-hole and a enmourous(sp) source of information | 21:17 |
| darkblue_B | yeah _ got the hell hole part | 21:17 |
| Davide-Banana | hello I have a question. I'm new with linux so bear with me. a little while ago I installed some package on my N800 that gave me a bunch of stuff including Open Office 2.4, and "debian" not sure what that is | 21:17 |
| darkblue_B | I dont care for the interface | 21:17 |
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| Davide-Banana | does this mean I can install regular linux programs on my n800? | 21:17 |
| Davide-Banana | and they would run? | 21:17 |
| darkblue_B | Davide-Banana: debian is the bass OS | 21:18 |
| darkblue_B | base | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: yeah, but it doesn't act like that :P | 21:18 |
| Davide-Banana | ok | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Davide-Banana: yes, easy debian | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | you can get most things ported for debian-armel (lenny) | 21:18 |
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| Davide-Banana | so what is the benefit of what I installed? | 21:18 |
| Davide-Banana | what else can I do with it? | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Davide-Banana: that is what it is for :P | 21:18 |
| Davide-Banana | I only use openoffice really... and that's great | 21:18 |
| Davide-Banana | ok | 21:18 |
| Davide-Banana | hehe | 21:18 |
| darkblue_B | Davide-Banana: Open Office is the most resource intensive GUI app you will ever see | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: did you ever try Joost? :P | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | that was hell. | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | yeah its a bit slow... but it works fine | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | Joost? | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | no | 21:19 |
| darkblue_B | I cant imagine you are talking about installing it on a small device | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: scaringily people use it :P | 21:19 |
| darkblue_B | weird | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | you mean open office? | 21:19 |
| darkblue_B | yes | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | it's on my device | 21:19 |
| Davide-Banana | and it works fine | 21:19 |
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| * GeneralAntilles facepalm http://omag.es/blog/2009/02/25/nokia-using-arm-new-multicore-processor/ | 21:19 | |
| darkblue_B | like an elephant balanced on a beach ball | 21:20 |
| Davide-Banana | I mean it responds sightly delayed | 21:20 |
| Davide-Banana | but I can live with it | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I still can't comment on that blog to correct the insanity. | 21:20 |
| Davide-Banana | LOL | 21:20 |
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| Davide-Banana | well I was just wondering... I wanted to have a simple sound editing program | 21:20 |
| darkblue_B | so the answer is yes, you can run debian linux things.. I would not go deeply into general desktop linux stuff myself | 21:20 |
| Davide-Banana | and was wondering if it existed for the N800 | 21:20 |
| darkblue_B | sound editing !!! | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: we should do a test how easy it is to make consistent tablet rumours | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, multi-core isn't particularly exciting. | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Cortex A9 is off on the horizon | 21:21 |
| * darkblue_B goes back to hildondesktop python article | 21:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's rather obvious that Nokia will eventually move that direction. | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | well darkblue_B I may be wrong, but I remember a while back there was an icon in the App Manager installable programs menu that was some kind of lite sound editing program | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest of it is just silliness. | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | it's no longer there | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | maybe it was for a previous OS | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | idk | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | does anyone remember what I'm talking about? | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | I may have dreamed it up | 21:21 |
| Davide-Banana | not sure | 21:21 |
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| Davide-Banana | is there any such program? | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: Thanks for the regex package!! | 21:23 |
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| Davide-Banana | you may ask why would you want to do sound editing on your N800?! | 21:23 |
| Davide-Banana | well sometimes I listen to podcasts of some radio shows | 21:24 |
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| Davide-Banana | and I have the desire to take an excerpt out of the long podcast... to save | 21:24 |
| Davide-Banana | and would like to do that on the go... | 21:24 |
| Davide-Banana | :D | 21:24 |
| tank-man | mp3splt | 21:24 |
| Davide-Banana | ? | 21:24 |
| Davide-Banana | on N80? | 21:24 |
| Davide-Banana | N800# | 21:24 |
| tank-man | that can do it, but i dont know of a port on the n800 | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | oh | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | well I was thinking of a prog similar to... audacity | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | or cool edit | 21:25 |
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| Davide-Banana | something like that | 21:25 |
| tank-man | over kill | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | wouldn't have to have all those features | 21:25 |
| darkblue_B | way over the top | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | maybe something that would also allow fading idk | 21:25 |
| darkblue_B | audacity doenst even work well on ne desktop machines | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | like amplify sound etc.. | 21:25 |
| Davide-Banana | well I dont use audacity on desktop | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | I've used cooledit | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | and wavepad sound editor | 21:26 |
| darkblue_B | I want to climb a mountain in my bare feet, will someone pleae show me the path? | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | is that the kind of question I'm asking? | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | darkblue? | 21:26 |
| darkblue_B | yes I think so | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | ok | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | enough said | 21:26 |
| Davide-Banana | :( | 21:26 |
| darkblue_B | sound editing is hard | 21:27 |
| Davide-Banana | man I swear I saw a prog before in the repositories a long time ago | 21:27 |
| Davide-Banana | before os 2008 I think | 21:27 |
| Davide-Banana | idk | 21:27 |
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| darkblue_B | even new desktop machines with big pakgs dont do it well | 21:27 |
| Davide-Banana | I'm probably dreaming it | 21:27 |
| darkblue_B | you can have a small splice thing that will make a cut in a sound file | 21:27 |
| darkblue_B | but you started out by talking about Open Office | 21:27 |
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| darkblue_B | its just not realisitc | 21:27 |
| Davide-Banana | ok well I'm telling you I run open office fine on my N800 | 21:28 |
| darkblue_B | ok, well thats new to me | 21:28 |
| Davide-Banana | it's not 100% fast like it would be on a desktop | 21:28 |
| darkblue_B | I suppose it is a testimaent to the careful work of the sfwr world | 21:28 |
| Davide-Banana | but its fast enough for use | 21:28 |
| darkblue_B | but think a moent | 21:28 |
| darkblue_B | is it really the best use of a timy handheld? | 21:28 |
| Davide-Banana | I have use for it... | 21:28 |
| Davide-Banana | I have lots of doc files I need to view... and it works great! | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | google docs is MUCH MUCH slower for me | 21:29 |
| darkblue_B | you type formal docs with it>? anyway, I dont want to debate Open Office on a handheld | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | than openoffice | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | I dont really type with it | 21:29 |
| darkblue_B | ok ! so a .doc VIEWER | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | just view docs | 21:29 |
| darkblue_B | that makes so much more sense | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | ah ok | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | sorry | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | I mean I'm guessing I could type with it just haven't done it... | 21:29 |
| Davide-Banana | I dont like typing on my N800 anyway | 21:30 |
| Davide-Banana | :D | 21:30 |
| darkblue_B | I have written commercial sfwr for 20 years.. I know first hand the amount of effort that goes into a large user editing package | 21:30 |
| Davide-Banana | ok | 21:30 |
| darkblue_B | .. so the idea of all of OpenOffice is just .. well, disproportionate to anything that makes sense to me | 21:30 |
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| glass | darkblue_B: still, it works for large number of people, so somewhere your logic fails | 21:30 |
| darkblue_B | I am here myself today to get some direction oin making a tiny fornt end for a small python program that I have running | 21:31 |
| darkblue_B | but I am not geting very far yet | 21:31 |
| darkblue_B | glass: of course, run Open Office.. how can I be so blind | 21:31 |
| Davide-Banana | ok well my original question I guess was simply: 1 do you know of a sound editing prog for N800? and if not 2 can I port a regular sound editing prog due to that debian package I have installed? | 21:31 |
| darkblue_B | Davide-Banana: I bet you there is a small linux program, or a dozen, that will trim mp3 st a pint | 21:32 |
| darkblue_B | point | 21:32 |
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| darkblue_B | beyond that it is asking alot IMHO | 21:32 |
| Davide-Banana | ok | 21:32 |
| Davide-Banana | and if I find it is it difficult ot port it? or I would just install it? | 21:32 |
| Davide-Banana | basically I don't quite understand what this deb package does for me it completely allows me to install regular linux apps? | 21:33 |
| Davide-Banana | or more still has to be done? | 21:33 |
| darkblue_B | the wise guys here said most things from debian lenny amel will run | 21:33 |
| darkblue_B | I think something like that | 21:33 |
| Davide-Banana | ah ok | 21:33 |
| darkblue_B | (see above) | 21:33 |
| darkblue_B | I am new to this, | 21:33 |
| darkblue_B | or, seldom tried it, over the last yeat | 21:34 |
| darkblue_B | year.. ie not an expert | 21:34 |
| Davide-Banana | I have an icon called: Debian LXDE | 21:34 |
| Davide-Banana | what do you think that is? | 21:35 |
| * oli thinks it's an icon | 21:36 | |
| Davide-Banana | :) | 21:36 |
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| oli | lxde is a graphic environment | 21:36 |
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| Davide-Banana | oh cool it gives me another desktop! | 21:38 |
| Davide-Banana | never tried it heh | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://jaiku.com/channel/maemo/presence/54470474 | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | place to complain :P | 21:59 |
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| Macer | well | 22:15 |
| Macer | just flashed the new firmware for my G1 onto it | 22:15 |
| darkblue_B | pydon hildondesktop | 22:16 |
| darkblue_B | pydoc | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/25/1854218 | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's disturbing | 22:21 |
| oli | how to edit menu entries? | 22:21 |
| oli | ok, nevermind | 22:24 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, vmware on tablets, .. i kinda want it though | 22:24 |
| timelE61i | bE careful what you wish for | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | on a n800 :P | 22:25 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wouldn't mind, I kinda miss having a ppc after trying my sister's xperia | 22:26 | |
| robtaylor | Stskeeps: that's freaky | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | robtaylor: yes, it is | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | on the other hand, immensively cool :P | 22:28 |
| robtaylor | Stskeeps: heh, guess so! | 22:29 |
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| timelE61i | hello robtaylor | 22:32 |
| robtaylor | timelE61i == timeless, right? :) | 22:33 |
| robtaylor | hey | 22:33 |
| darkblue_B | so apparently this hildondeskop python search has been somewhat non-productive.. its gtk.dialog that I want it seems | 22:33 |
| darkblue_B | .. finding the python version of things is not easy | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | python-hildon vs python-hildondesktop i hope | 22:35 |
| darkblue_B | I dont know that the difference is | 22:36 |
| * timelE61i nods | 22:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: hildondesktop is used to make home applets, whereas hildon is for apps | 22:41 |
| darkblue_B | home applets.. vs apps... ?? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | applets are .so plugins which live on the desktop, apps are well, umm apps | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | s/on/in/ | 22:42 |
| darkblue_B | live on the desktop.. ok | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | They're loaded *in*to the desktop process | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | If they crash, the desktop crashes | 22:43 |
| darkblue_B | well after much eyeball glazing, I am getting the idea tht what I should be reading is GTK stuff, not hildon anything | 22:43 |
| darkblue_B | all I want to do is put up a window, with two buttons and a picture, and respond to the two buttons.. | 22:43 |
| darkblue_B | to turn a python program on and off | 22:44 |
| darkblue_B | thx for the clarification | 22:44 |
| darkblue_B | I dont htink I care about dektop apps | 22:44 |
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| timelE61i | jAem: that link is what i'm working on outside of work | 22:47 |
| timelE61i | it needs continuous testing+feedback | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | Although atm it's stalled behind my vpn breaking my laptop | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | I'll probably go back to it tonight | 22:49 |
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| darkblue_B | everything is glade | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | glade is nice :P | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | wb GA | 22:53 |
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| timelE61i | Gan: so bugzilla product creation went ok? | 22:57 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how much a gain prelink made for 770 OS'es | 23:00 | |
| timelE61i | Sts: in general such things are done for 5+s wins or to get under a 5s limit | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, true | 23:01 |
| timelE61i | there are maintenance and debugging penalties, so if the win isn't noticable somewhere important | 23:02 |
| timelE61i | It shouldn't be included | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | oh that's terrifying. wifi working on 770. | 23:03 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: different fromt he image I have? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, new .ko | 23:04 |
| r2d2rogers | ahha | 23:04 |
| * r2d2rogers reboots | 23:05 | |
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| darkblue_B | ugh.. Glade interface builder resists simple efforts | 23:10 |
| darkblue_B | break on this | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, haven't tried yet. | 23:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles has fun with power outages. | 23:11 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110x.ko , put in /lib/modules/ , you may have to ifconfig wlan0 down & up, and chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal and then try. i recommend killing wifi_powersave.py process. | 23:12 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: thanks, trying to get USBnet working now | 23:13 |
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| dougt | timelE61i: found my crash. location_gpsd_control_start() does some badness. | 23:24 |
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| timeless | dougt: cool | 23:27 |
| timeless | dougt: did we get you a dbg package? | 23:27 |
| dougt | nope. | 23:27 |
| timeless | if not, i can grab one in 15mins | 23:27 |
| dougt | not sure if it is going to due me much good. | 23:27 |
| timeless | s/due/do/ | 23:27 |
| dougt | that too | 23:27 |
| dougt | :-) | 23:27 |
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| * timeless kicks itunes | 23:28 | |
| igagis | hi | 23:28 |
| timeless | MDCrC:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\MDCrashReportTool.exe | 23:29 |
| * timeless chuckles | 23:29 | |
| timeless | i suppose that's a good reason for itunes not to be working properly | 23:29 |
| igagis | does anybody know how to disable that click sound when tapping tablet screen? I mean disable it from my application, for my application only... | 23:29 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: \o/ on reboot it worked on boot, auto connected, testing speed etc now... | 23:31 |
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| StsN800 | r2d2rogers, with my ko? | 23:39 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: yup | 23:40 |
| StsN800 | neat | 23:40 |
| r2d2rogers | still not getting there with a WPA2 enterprise PEAP authed network, but I was having issues with that under maemo also | 23:40 |
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| StsN800 | i found a mamona patch that stopped wpa supplicant so | 23:40 |
| StsN800 | er, stopped crahing | 23:41 |
| r2d2rogers | but it's actually coming back with errors is shtead of just locking into trying | 23:41 |
| r2d2rogers | sweet | 23:41 |
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| Guysoft422 | hey, is there a way to make a script exacute on startup in maemo? after the gui starts | 23:44 |
| zs1 | Guysoft422: maybe you want to put it into /etc/rc2.d/ ? | 23:49 |
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| oli | brothers :) http://i43.tinypic.com/2wrl25x.jpg | 23:52 |
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| zs1 | oli: what's that? | 23:53 |
| oli | kismets running on my PC and n800 | 23:54 |
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| oli | nokia's sensitivity is the same as my wlan card's with external antenna made from can | 23:56 |
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