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| GAN8001 | ATHF and maemo.org splash screens are now available in Extras-devel for anyone who is interested. | 00:03 |
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| GAN8001 | (thanks, qwerty12_N800!) | 00:03 |
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| geoaxis | my gps sucks :( | 00:16 |
| GAN8001 | Downloads is so slow. :( | 00:18 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800! | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yessir? | 00:33 |
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| GAN8001 | Nevermind. :P | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Fine. :P | 00:34 |
| GAN8001 | Jeeesus christ, though, could Downloads possibly be slower. . . . | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the real fun is when you upload images... | 00:35 |
| GAN8001 | Didn't we get a server upgrade. . . . | 00:36 |
| GAN8001 | Or did X-Fade's porn habit just nullify all of the improvements? ;) | 00:36 |
| timelE61i | sOo... | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | Ham's oo-disk handling sucks | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | It's killed apt a couple of times now | 00:38 |
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| GAN8001 | Maemo's oo-disk handling sucks period. | 00:39 |
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| timelE61i | Hrm, autoremove just made my tablet reboot | 00:47 |
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| GAN8001 | Nice, server error after 10 minutes of uploading screenshots. | 00:48 |
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| ChriK | Ok, I have run into a bit of a snag with Mer | 01:10 |
| ChriK | After some bruteforcing I managed to get it to boot | 01:11 |
| ChriK | The screen with the loading bar finsihed, I was able to enter username, password and devicename | 01:11 |
| ChriK | But now the screen is black, responds to taps though by lighting the backlight | 01:11 |
| ChriK | Restarting it does the same thing. Any good ideas? | 01:12 |
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| GAN8001 | OK, it's been submitting this new application entry for 40 minutes. | 01:27 |
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| Proteous | MAEMO.ORG ISN'T SLOW, STOP SAYING THAT, YOU'LL HURT IT'S FEELINGS | 01:45 |
| Proteous | damn | 01:45 |
| Proteous | I used it's wrongly | 01:46 |
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| m-c | GeneralAntilles: hello - how are you? | 01:57 |
| m-c | around tonight? | 01:57 |
| m-c | I am curious whether this project can be used for improving ogg theora playback on the NITs | 02:03 |
| m-c | http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Summer_of_Code_2008/Ogg_Theora_Codec | 02:03 |
| m-c | http://github.com/marceloguedes/theora-davinci/tree/master | 02:03 |
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| GAN8001 | m-c, kulve is the one to talk to about ogg. | 02:23 |
| m-c | Do you know how compatible the NITs' DSP processor is to TI's DaVinci series? | 02:24 |
| GAN8001 | m-c, my familiarity with TI's lineup is limited to OMAP stuff. :( | 02:25 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm assuming it's pretty close hardware-wise, but I dunno about software-side. | 02:26 |
| m-c | The OMAP includes the DSP, I think | 02:26 |
| m-c | I guess you mean the ARM side of the OMAP processor | 02:27 |
| GAN8001 | Nokia implemented a fairly proprietary setup on OMAP2 (lacking a good open source alternative). | 02:27 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800_, the next step is to pick up enough Python or C to put together an improved theme switcher. :P | 02:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800_ | Timeless & me (well, timeless made the main switching program in perl) did one for mer :p | 02:45 |
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| GAN8001 | Actually, I'd really like to see all those basic system amenities fleshed out. | 02:51 |
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| b-man | Palm OS4 running in pose running in ubuntu running on my tablet :D http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Screenshot-7.png - it's pritty responsive :) | 02:56 |
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| doc|home | but very very wrong :) | 03:01 |
| b-man | hehe :) | 03:01 |
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| b-man | uploaded screenshots to http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html :) | 03:15 |
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| GAN8001 | Hum, why is maemo-launcher doing 1-3% CPU all the time. . . . | 03:37 |
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| smackpotato | what should i replace general.useragent.vender with if i dont want to be sent to mobile sites | 06:49 |
| Macer | welp. time to retire the dual p3/500 | 07:03 |
| smackpotato | did it blow up | 07:08 |
| smackpotato | or just layed down and died | 07:09 |
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| Macer | smackpotato: little bit of both | 07:44 |
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| RST38h | Ah, the horror! They broke Google Phone to run Gnome! | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | adp1 polly | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: co-linux on android is even more aca | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | scary | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Eeek! Rewritten in Java, no doubt? | 08:29 |
| RST38h | ;) | 08:29 |
| hahlo | is java slow in mobile devices? | 08:42 |
| Corsac | s/slow.*// | 08:43 |
| Corsac | hem | 08:43 |
| Corsac | s/\ in.*// | 08:44 |
| Corsac | better :/ | 08:44 |
| hahlo | heh wonder why they use it so often | 08:45 |
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| hahlo | example this java gmail app, which doesn't run in tablet | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: probably 'telnetd' hack. | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | m | 09:36 |
| pupnik | "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. What I mean by that is that it is an oportunity to do the things that you think that you could not do before." --Rahm Emmanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | i think there was a west wing quote not entirely unlike this, heh | 09:44 |
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| sans | hi | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:45 |
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| sans | morning | 09:45 |
| timelE61i | Yes | 09:45 |
| * Stskeeps fails to understand why his fiancee has the magic ability to get him up at 6:30am. | 09:46 | |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: i just bought a book on the subject ... http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Leviathan-Critical-Government-Institute/dp/019505900X | 09:46 |
| sans | cud anybody tell me how to make my net ip setup for maemo in my emulator | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: it's true though. governining is a lot easier in a crisis cos people wake up | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | sans: make sure your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf matches your /etc/resolv.conf | 09:47 |
| sans | thanks:) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | sans: it's a binary emulator, not a machine emulator | 09:48 |
| timelE61i | sTs: at least you're finding out first | 09:49 |
| sans | yeah resolv.conf files are same | 09:50 |
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| timelE61i | Sans: nsswitch.conf | 09:51 |
| * Dracie wishes he has a n810 instead of an itouch = | 09:51 | |
| sans | the issue with me is i am tryin to access net from my developed application on maemo emulator but it remains in the localloop i.e 127.0.0.1 rather than taking the ip so how cud i correct the issue | 09:52 |
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| sans | Stskeeps:any way to resolve this problem | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | sans: mm, good question - i always had problems too but i attributed it to resolv.conf | 09:57 |
| Dracie | sans, memorize 208.67.222.222 n 208.67.220.220, free open dns servers | 09:57 |
| Dracie | also you can ping them to check to see if you are networked | 09:57 |
| timelE61i | sans: doesn't make sense | 09:58 |
| timelE61i | Is your nsswitch.conf reasonable? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i have encountered weird issues with not having net accces (even without DNS), in binary emulated apps though | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | i cannot document it right now as i'm doing something else at work :P | 09:59 |
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| pupnik | time | 10:27 |
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| sans | stskeeps :issue cudn't be resolved | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | sans: yeah, it's odd like that :/ best way to do it is trying it out on the actual device | 10:31 |
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| sans | sts: k but can i connect to net frm my browser in the maemo sdk | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | when you say maemo emulator what do you mean exactly? af-sb-init? | 10:34 |
| sans | yeah | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | DIABLO-I386 or DIABLO-ARMEL? | 10:36 |
| sans | DIABLO-I386 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | and you checked /etc/resolv.conf inside scratchbox, comparing to the one on the outside? | 10:36 |
| sans | cud i set ip in that | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | well. first off, you don't have a "real" emulator | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't an emulator that emulates the device itself | 10:37 |
| sans | k so what's it | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | so it isn't running a linux kernel inside an emulator, it just runs the applications in a binary emulator, which attaches to your existing kernel | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | (when you run the armel target) | 10:38 |
| sans | k | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | and you checked /etc/resolv.conf inside scratchbox, comparing to the one on the outside? <- check this though | 10:38 |
| sans | k wil check and get back thanks :) | 10:38 |
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| timelE61i | hEy, i just got the update operating system dialog | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | on? | 10:43 |
| timelE61i | Anyone think it should be operating system update instead? | 10:43 |
| timelE61i | n800 | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Operating System Update sounds better, yeah | 10:43 |
| timelE61i | It's running software so old, skype insults me in English | 10:43 |
| timelE61i | If i cared enough, i'd file a bug | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | You Loose? | 10:44 |
| timelE61i | Since i'm fairly certain it'd insult me in English even if my tablet spoke Russian | 10:44 |
| timelE61i | Anyway, it suggests i create a backup | 10:45 |
| timelE61i | Do i need a charged battery before i update? | 10:45 |
| timelE61i | (my battery died overnight) | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's a good idea | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | reboot loops are nasty | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | i normally don't touch SSU if i don't have bootmenu + USB recovery telnetd installed :P | 10:45 |
| timelE61i | hrm | 10:46 |
| * timelE61i needs to file a bug | 10:46 | |
| timelE61i | Baclup | 10:46 |
| timelE61i | Backup | 10:46 |
| timelE61i | Last backup: Backup01 05/13/2008 | 10:46 |
| timelE61i | Backups on memory card: | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | ovi should have Backup feature for your cellphone and tablet, heh | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be neat | 10:47 |
| timelE61i | Backup01 02/23/2009 0.6 MB | 10:47 |
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| pupnik | voice recognition | 10:47 |
| timelE61i | Backup 04/06/2008 16 MB | 10:47 |
| timelE61i | ----- | 10:47 |
| timelE61i | Can you spot the bug? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, wrong Last backup | 10:48 |
| pupnik | argh | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.oceanlight.com/lr/tran/10119.jpg <- I think we have the Mer mascot.. | 10:48 |
| timelE61i | ever seen this bug before? | 10:48 |
| pupnik | happy shark :) | 10:49 |
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| timelE61i | got picture, yay! | 10:50 |
| pupnik | that is a funny pic | 10:50 |
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| timelE61i | Oh, i mean of backup | 10:51 |
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| timelE61i | Sts: can you try making a backup? | 10:51 |
| timelE61i | Don't dismiss the Backup complete diailog | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, in 15 mins, working on a package for work | 10:55 |
| timelE61i | sure | 10:55 |
| timelE61i | One possibility is that the top line is from the previous backup i made to another memory card | 10:55 |
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| timelE61i | I'm tempted to change "Last" to "Previous" as i think it'd solve this 'feature' | 10:57 |
| aquatix | lol @ happy shark | 10:58 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa | 11:16 |
| timelE61i | ooh | 11:17 |
| * timelE61i has left handed scrollbars again | 11:17 | |
| Stskeeps | there really ought to be a CP setting for that | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | yeah yeah | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | (not that i am left-handed, but when a users immediate experience is that tablets is horrid to use, cos he is left-handed)..) | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | Don't worry, scrollbars have no future | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | Hey, i'm a lefty | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | I think it's silly | 11:19 |
| timelE61i | What amuses me is that i know it's possible | 11:19 |
| timelE61i | As i've had my tablets do it twice | 11:19 |
| pupnik | how about a touch bar sensor on side of case | 11:19 |
| pupnik | for scrolling | 11:19 |
| timelE61i | (gecko native can also do it) | 11:19 |
| pupnik | that way, finger doesnt smudge up screen | 11:19 |
| * ShadowJK is right handed but very often uses it with just left hand nayway | 11:19 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe because the home button is on the left | 11:20 |
| timelE61i | Pupnik: how about no hardware requests in a software channel | 11:20 |
| timelE61i | Shadow: yep, this device is for lefties | 11:20 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: touch sensors on the side are an absolute NO | 11:22 |
| pupnik | (ironic comment up there= | 11:23 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 11:23 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Good examples are BBK (Oppo) V7/V9 | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: pretty much uncontrollable | 11:23 |
| pupnik | like a touchpad | 11:24 |
| RST38h | naah, touchpad is a bit better | 11:24 |
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| RST38h | it is located on the top and has bigger area | 11:24 |
| pupnik | how do you feel about scroll wheels_ | 11:24 |
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| RST38h | BBK has got a bunch of playback control sensors at the edge of a <1cm thick metal case | 11:25 |
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| RST38h | you pick up the player - and *something* clicks =) | 11:25 |
| pupnik | i could see a good 'case' to be made for having no sensors or buttons... durability... simplicity | 11:26 |
| pupnik | yes. thats the reason | 11:26 |
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| pupnik | s/the/one | 11:27 |
| RST38h | having a few decent real buttons at the edge is ok | 11:27 |
| sans | sts: :( no probs they r same any other way | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | sans: sucks, not sure what causes it then | 11:27 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't advocate scratchbox as a devel platform anyway, but that's his own personal view | 11:28 | |
| Stskeeps | i almost went into a raging fit when trying maemo sdk first time, heh | 11:28 |
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| sans | yeah same with me it really sucks | 11:29 |
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| * RST38h now moved on to sb2 | 11:29 | |
| pupnik | sucks compared to what | 11:29 |
| RST38h | sb1 is just plain inhumane | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: compared to be able to build and work with it in a vmware instance really | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | mer devel is so much easier in a chroot. | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | or in a vmware | 11:30 |
| pupnik | sounds actually good | 11:30 |
| pupnik | can PCassist compilation | 11:30 |
| sans | its really painful like am tryin to connect to net frm emulator in pc and havent been able to connect | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | sans: what are you developing anyway? | 11:32 |
| pupnik | i has to switch to mer soon | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: still a long way to go to make it day-to-day usable, but yeah | 11:32 |
| pupnik | one OS to rule them all | 11:32 |
| sans | Sts:i have made a browser and tryin to run on it | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | nah. OS' serve different purposes | 11:33 |
| pupnik | hehe just a joke m8 | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | Question: I did some tweaking to maemo.org's servers. Does maemo.org feel faster, or is it just me? :) | 11:34 |
| pupnik | but i personally want to run the same SW on my tablets and pand | 11:34 |
| sans | Stskeeps:i have made a browser and tryin to run on it | 11:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: feels as sluggish as always | 11:34 |
| pupnik | feels fast here | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: seems to work | 11:35 |
| RST38h | pupnik: that will be MacOSX =) | 11:35 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: maybe a /little/ faster | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: At least it isn't slower ;) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: question: does Depends: support multiple lines? like Depends: a, b, \n c, d | 11:36 |
| pupnik | to those who think it feels slow... how much coffee have you had today? | 11:37 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: Mondays are always slow ;) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: two big cups so far | 11:37 |
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| timelE61i | sTs:sure | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | Just make sure there's something on the first line | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | Autobuilder is stupid | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | And don't forget the leading space for other lines | 11:42 |
| timelE61i | Sts: my deb's depend on lines :) | 11:42 |
| timelE61i | 60+ :) | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: ah, this is not autobuilder in this case, i (scaringily) write debian packages as part of my work too | 11:44 |
| timelE61i | I'm sorry :) | 11:44 |
| timelE61i | Anyway, you can see my deb's somewhere | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, on the other hand it allows me to get some degree of monetary support for some of my Mer work, so | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | (we use some parts of Mer as part of our prototypes so) | 11:45 |
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| sans | Stskeeps:no way out | 11:49 |
| timelE61i | sAns: does nslookup work? | 11:50 |
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| sans | timelE61:where? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | within scratchbox i presume | 11:53 |
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| timelE61i | pReferably real nslookup and not some evil host tool | 11:55 |
| * timelE61i curses sbox | 11:55 | |
| timelE61i | use sb2 or mer-vmdk | 11:55 |
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| sans | nslookup doesn't works | 11:57 |
| sans | :( | 11:57 |
| sans | so what cud be done | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | try out Maemo SDK+ | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | and see if it helps | 11:58 |
| timelE61i | That's a good thing | 11:59 |
| timelE61i | Did you actually look at nsswitch.conf? | 11:59 |
| sans | yes i checked | 12:00 |
| timelE61i | and? | 12:00 |
| sans | resolv.conf | 12:01 |
| timelE61i | err | 12:01 |
| timelE61i | And nsswitch looked how? | 12:01 |
| sans | err? | 12:01 |
| timelE61i | Note that sbox is fun so you might be better served using strace to find the *right* nsswitch.conf | 12:02 |
| inz | Better fix both | 12:02 |
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| timelE61i | or that | 12:03 |
| timelE61i | Anyway, the line that matters is hosts: | 12:03 |
| timelE61i | What did it say? | 12:03 |
| sans | files dns | 12:04 |
| timelE61i | :( now find the other nsswitch.conf :) | 12:04 |
| timelE61i | Strace is your friend | 12:04 |
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| timelE61i | hi inz | 12:05 |
| timelE61i | Where are you now? | 12:05 |
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| sans | timelE61i:thanks :) its up | 12:21 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders osso-gnome-vfs2 and why it is at all needed. | 12:25 | |
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| timelE61i | bookmarks/filemanager historically use gnome vfs | 12:27 |
| timelE61i | So does the filepicker | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know, but why their own custom gnomevfs? i mean, sure, it may be stripped down | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | but why custom? :P | 12:28 |
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| timelE61i | And our support for bluetooth and media | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 12:28 |
| timelE61i | But beyond those feature details, i dunno the technical whys for forking | 12:28 |
| timelE61i | And the fact that gnome vfs is dead outside maemo :) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | many people say that GTK is the huge problem regarding portability and such.. it actually isn't, it's osso-gnome-vfs2 causing most of the problems | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | maemo GTK works just fine with normal apps | 12:29 |
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| timelE61i | What problem? :) | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | well it is mostly package wise stuff.. the whole rename of the package throws a serious wrench in many things | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, lunch | 12:31 |
| timelE61i | lunch sounds good | 12:32 |
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| timelE61i | hEh, my task switching menu is anchored to top left instead of bottom left | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | oh come on ubuntu.. why does compiling network-manager-gnome require console-setup | 13:12 |
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| tank-man | slackware rules, ubuntu drools | 13:18 |
| Macer | yawn | 13:19 |
| Macer | good morning | 13:19 |
| pupnik | "The primary fallacy of the tooth-fairy economics at the heart of the stimulus is the very idea that economic health is the product of government spending, which is financed either by borrowing (which leaves private businesses with a smaller share of the pool of savings for them to borrow from), printing money out of thin air, or direct seizure from the population." | 13:20 |
| pupnik | Thomas Woods - "Meltdown" - http://www.mises.org/store/Meltdown-P557.aspx?AFID=14 | 13:20 |
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| woglinde | hi | 13:21 |
| florian | hi woglinde | 13:21 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: well, THAT everybody will find out about 6-12 months from now | 13:39 |
| pupnik | hi RST38h | 13:40 |
| * pupnik eating oatmeal with local yoghurt, honey and canned fruit and reading the book :D | 13:40 | |
| RST38h | "Political cartoonists struggle to draw Obama without big lips" | 13:40 |
| RST38h | pupnik: here, to get you deeper into morose mood: http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=20484 | 13:43 |
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| pupnik | AWESOME sinfest link! whoever posted that... | 13:55 |
| pupnik | oh rong chan. nm | 13:55 |
| pupnik | ty RST38h | 13:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2959 (comic book / jpg / sfw) | 13:58 |
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| aquatix | sinfest rocks | 13:58 |
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| aquatix | pupnik: ah yes :) | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ~seen johnx | 14:19 |
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| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 17h 44m 14s ago, saying: 'wazd, nice find :)'. | 14:19 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: OSBS does support maemo, actually | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | at least the people coming in here and talking about have claimed so :) | 14:31 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Oh, does it? | 14:32 |
| jeremiah_ | cool | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | but then again it is how you define what maemo is.. ;) | 14:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | But it looks like it just builds debs fro the armel platform. | 14:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Which I suppose is fine | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but so does scratchbox, it's the libraries and rootstrap that matters | 14:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Right, it would be cool if we had versions of the libraries and rootstraps on SuSE's servers so we could emulate the maemo better. | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:34 |
| jeremiah_ | That is kind of what I was thinking. | 14:34 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe a Summer of Code project? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i could really beat those people who have packages which end up trying to install stuff like console-setup (in ubuntu) when getting build-dep | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 14:34 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 14:35 |
| thopiekar | where are the kernel-sources usually stored? | 14:35 |
| thopiekar | on the sb1? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/src | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | when grabbing kernel-source-diablo | 14:35 |
| thopiekar | hmm I need the sources for a build.. there is a file called kernel-source-diablo.tar.bz2.. just untar it? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but there's also a kernel-diablo package or something | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | that sets everything up and builds | 14:36 |
| andrewfblack | I finally got my wife to say she liked linux better then windows! | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | i am slowly trying to get my fiancée to use the 770 :P | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | so far it works ok as imdb reader and mahjong | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| thopiekar | hmm I've got every package kernel** installed but when I run ./configure it says that it needs the sources.. | 14:38 |
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| andrewfblack | well my wife said it after I installed a custom version of ubuntu to my eee pc that she uses for face book and stuff it uses custom Netbook UI that she likes | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:39 |
| GAN800 | Bleh https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822 | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | FiM? | 14:40 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: be careful of showing her an n8x0, it will be faster and she'll want one; or at least mine did | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | we really need to rethink that applications menu | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: she will get my n8x0 when i get a rx-54 | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | er | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | 51 | 14:40 |
| lardman | yeah, but then don't let her use the rx-51, or it all starts again :D | 14:40 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: what about a app-menu in mer like in bora? | 14:40 |
| aquatix | lardman: i wouldn't mind, really | 14:40 |
| aquatix | then i can finally make our network 802.11g-only | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: plausible but not finger friendly | 14:41 |
| andrewfblack | well my wife said it after I installed a custom version of ubuntu to my eee pc that she uses for face book and stuff it uses custom Netbook UI that she likes OS2007 Layout so I can release that doom package I got made admin over in garage | 14:41 |
| * aquatix 's gf now has a palm that only does 802.11b | 14:41 | |
| thopiekar | which detects whether you use your fingers or a stilus.. | 14:41 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: ^ | 14:41 |
| lardman | aquatix: ah, well not even Linux, yuck ;) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: admittedly i got upset at bora after not being able to find a xterm | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:41 |
| thopiekar | :) | 14:41 |
| lcuk | lardman, you are a bastard. i was impressed by video calling, now i get a call whenever my bloody tea is ready | 14:41 |
| aquatix | lardman: heh, her laptop runs linux though | 14:42 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ha | 14:43 |
| andrewfblack | Well my wife told me a few months ago when I said I was going to get her a N810 of her own that i just need to wait and get the new device and give her my old n810 how do I argue with that? | 14:43 |
| aquatix | andrewfblack: i think you can't argue with that | 14:43 |
| * aquatix is planning to do just that btw | 14:43 | |
| aquatix | i will get the `n900' and my gf will inherit my n810 | 14:43 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, you can't argue, your missus is both prudent and nice to you. i might ask what the aliens did to your real wife | 14:44 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 14:44 |
| lcuk | bbl anyway, dinner time over | 14:44 |
| andrewfblack | My wife loves to feed my electronic habit if I feed her cloths habit | 14:46 |
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| lardman | lcuk: lol | 14:48 |
| lardman | andrewfblack: well that's very reasonable :) | 14:48 |
| * aquatix makes a habit of wearing clothes too | 14:48 | |
| lardman | andrewfblack: yeah, shoes habit for mine :) | 14:48 |
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| zs | hm, on my n810 keys Fn Chr and Ctrl don't work, any ideas? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like keymap messing up? | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa may get an R51 if she's nice. Jarr Jrs can have/share an N810 and the other goes up for sale. | 14:58 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: have you some time to help me to build lirc? I need it to build pulseaudio.. http://pastebin.com/d40faa596 | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet it doesn't need it as a true dependancy | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's a library for remote controls | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's OK to remove some build dependancies | 15:29 |
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| thopiekar | ok but I would have to make changes in rules, too-... | 15:29 |
| thopiekar | or not? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah, often not | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | ok | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | what about policykit? | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | would I need it, too? | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i think you would be better off taking Fremantle's pulseaudio and trying to make it build. | 15:31 |
| thopiekar | aaah nice idea^^ | 15:32 |
| thopiekar | thanks! | 15:32 |
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| inz | I know esd sucks, but at least it never broke my (gnome-)terminals... ;) | 15:46 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: to build pulseaudio from fremantle I need libspeexdsp-dev, which isn't available on apt-get sources.. and when I download it from ubuntu it needs graphviz, which isn't available on diablo or fremantle.. | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 15:51 |
| thopiekar | I hate packages like graphviz, debhelper and so on..^^ | 15:52 |
| * Stskeeps would personally use more time on more productive things :P | 15:52 | |
| thopiekar | and what are these more productive things? | 15:53 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 15:53 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: ? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | like, not beating a dead horse and start trying to grab packages and such from maemo diablo SDK / fremantle SDK and try to get them working under mer | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bunch of packages i haven't touched yet | 15:54 |
| thopiekar | hmm without the vmdk? | 15:55 |
| * thopiekar hates it.. he needs a real xterm | 15:55 | |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | no, in the vmdk, you can use that as a build :P | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | and you can always use reverse ssh tunnels | 15:55 |
| thopiekar | ssh doesn't work for me.. don't know why... | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | ssh from within machine and out | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | not reverse | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:56 |
| thopiekar | from the host to the guest os... | 15:57 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: how is mer looking? | 15:57 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: which type of network should i use? | 15:58 |
| thopiekar | nat? | 15:58 |
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| * thopiekar is forcing sb1.diablo to make graphiz... | 16:00 | |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: yeah, NAT | 16:01 |
| thopiekar | hmm have I to start ssh-server on mer manually? | 16:01 |
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| Stskeeps | shouldn't have to, it should be running already | 16:02 |
| thopiekar | :| but I can't connect it.. | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | you use virtualbox? | 16:03 |
| thopiekar | yes,, | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | does it make an interface in /sbin/ifconfig -a when starting the virtual machine? as in, your host computer | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=148 | 16:04 |
| thopiekar | don't think so.. | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | describes it | 16:04 |
| * thopiekar tries it with Host Interface before preparing his vm... | 16:06 | |
| * Stskeeps tries to build Xomap | 16:07 | |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: I'm going to leave ... cu l8er.. :) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | adios | 16:10 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, have anyone moved the browser tweaks from itt wiki to maemo wiki? | 16:10 |
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| Jaffa | Interesting news on the end of the N810: http://www.expansys.com/ft.aspx?k=118416 | 16:19 |
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| Stskeeps | indeed | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet they probably did a quick recompile of everything in extras, see if it built for fremantle, and releasing immediately ;) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | (planning to) | 16:22 |
| * Stskeeps ponders the consequences if Xomap actually builds for mer. | 16:22 | |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: ping | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | moo fiferboy | 17:21 |
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| fiferboy | moo? | 17:21 |
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| qwerty12 | fiferboy, still happen to have those microb-svn debs (I know they don't work under diablo having built it myself before but I think it's a packaging issue and would like to try and fix them up)? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | qwerty: do you remember if anyone has tried compiling and packaging linuxdc++ yet? | 17:37 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: I'll check. Do you just need the source debs? | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, I remember me compiling it and then watching as it segfaulted randomly :) | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, binary debs would be preferred please | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | (I'm not trying to get anything into extras so dpkg-deb will be sufficent for this purpose :)) | 17:39 |
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| fiferboy | As soon as my virtual machine boots up I will let you know. | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, cool, thank you | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, if command lines are your thing, there's a command line dc client | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: naaah, I hardly believe it is possible to search dc++ shares via command line | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | Agreed :). I'm more tempted by gtk-gnutella personally | 17:40 |
| RST38h | not much use around here | 17:41 |
| RST38h | community net uses dc++ internally | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: Looks like I blew them away, sorry. | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | Do you need them rebuilt? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, heh, thanks for checking. | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | No, I'm ok thank you (I remember it taking me ages last time :)) | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if browserd has to be rebuilt against it though | 17:45 |
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| * RST38h wonders if he may bug pipeline about porting dc++ thingie... | 17:46 | |
| fiferboy | I thought browserd was built as a part of rebuilding the browser. | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure that the engine in svn is kept seperate to the tablet-browser-daemon. | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | But its been a long while since I've checked | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | You may be right, I think the error message looked like it was looking for broswerd in the wrong place | 17:50 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: It looks like I still have the packages on my tablet. I just have to figure out which ones are required for you (there are about 8 if I recall correctly) | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | I wont be needing the -dev & dbg packages at least :). microb-engine-common & microb-engine seem like enough to me | 17:59 |
| fiferboy | Curd, these ones are too old to be mine, they must be that old build from ITt from last May | 18:02 |
| fiferboy | /s/Curd/Crud | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, no problems, thank you for looking. I guess I'll have to attempt a build on the weekend :) | 18:03 |
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| fiferboy | I'm going to try a build now in my VM, it's not doing anything right now anyway | 18:04 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: linuxdc++, pleeeasee! =) | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, don't worry about it if you don't need it :) | 18:04 |
| * qwerty12 remembers the time it took for me last time :) | 18:05 | |
| fiferboy | RST38h: People are still using dc? | 18:08 |
| t_s_o | hmm, RMS live from norway... | 18:10 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: all over the place here | 18:10 |
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| RST38h | (not my personal preference though, just means I will be able to search and download movies directly to the tablet) | 18:11 |
| fiferboy | What about Transmission? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Community net uses DC++ | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Torrents mean going outside which is 1) slower (4Mbd instead of 100Mbd), 2) costs money and 3) limited by u/d ratio | 18:14 |
| fiferboy | Ah, you are using it on an internal network? | 18:14 |
| RST38h | more or less | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: heh, yeah, similar story here sometime | 18:15 |
| lcuk | technically dc++ hubs have ratios, slots and tb shared | 18:15 |
| lcuk | but i wouldnt know anything about that | 18:15 |
| * lcuk wonders how he learnt to read swedish | 18:15 | |
| qwerty12 | When I was trying out DC++, most hubs had a 40GB minimum share limit and I only had a 20GB hard drive :) | 18:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: they are, but most client in our network have them turned off or relaxed | 18:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the traffic is very fast and free | 18:16 |
| lcuk | once you are in the hub you are ok lol | 18:16 |
| lcuk | yeah rst, i know :) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, ive seen some people desperately trying to up shares, enabling whole c drive and using symlinks and other stuff | 18:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, I was gonna make a *gb file of nothing ness (I had a dummy file maker when I used to rip psp games manually) but it was pointless as my hard drive was 20gb :P | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | I remember a while back symlinking a huge directory a few times used to get you in to most servers | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | I mean, I remember a friend telling me that... | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: SVN build isn't playing nice right now. There's a directory not found error eight off the bat | 18:20 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, you get kicked and banned for tricks like that. nothing worse than bad content | 18:21 |
| lcuk | at least if you share your c:/ drive people might find use in your emails and passwords and stuff | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Eurgh. Thank you for attempting it again, wonder why that SVN is messed up anyway (looking at the fact that the microb-engine didn't build for me last time without some odd tricks) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, didn't really bother me. My plan was to get on, leech and fuck off | 18:21 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:22 |
| * lcuk is surprised by how many of the original server groups are still recognisable | 18:22 | |
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| qwerty12 | What I do miss however is the original Razorback on ed2k | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | hehe, "learn asm on arm" itt thread is hilarious | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Thinking of teaching him? :P | 18:29 |
| RST38h | no way. | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:29 |
| RST38h | if he could be educated, he would already taken one of MANY hints people gave him | 18:29 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:05 |
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| lardman | was there a thread on itt about getting/trying to get headphones with controls working (wired ones that is)? | 19:06 |
| * RST38h tried compiling linuxdc++. Unfortunately, goddamn thing needs SCons to compile | 19:07 | |
| RST38h | Authors just couldn't use standard make - not eleet enough for them =( | 19:08 |
| lardman | what is it? Their website gives no description of what the code does.... | 19:09 |
| lardman | ah, p2p | 19:09 |
| RST38h | linuxdc++ is a P2P client | 19:09 |
| RST38h | one I need badly enough to try compiling it | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Scons is another Make clone written in Python by people who were too stupid to learn Makefiles | 19:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, what was that funny headset profile in the rx-51 kernel code..... | 19:13 |
| * lardman trawls itt | 19:13 | |
| RST38h | US Airways Group on Monday said it would stop charging for nonalcoholic drinks in its coach cabin, a practice that drew the ire of customers and put the airline at a competitive disadvantage. <--- hehehe, bastards =) | 19:13 |
| lardman | ire of customers? why? | 19:14 |
| lardman | I'd think they'd be pleased | 19:14 |
| RST38h | lardman: 'cause when you fly for 6 hours in fetal position, crammed between seats *and* get charged for a freaking orange juice, you normally get mad. | 19:14 |
| lardman | yeah, but why are passengers annoyed that they are going to stop charging? | 19:15 |
| lardman | ah, I misread | 19:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: no, you misparsed the sentence =) | 19:15 |
| lardman | "a practise which" | 19:15 |
| lardman | that/which/practise/practice, all that stuff :) | 19:15 |
| RST38h | lardman: did rx-51 headset profile suggested a GSM voice capability? l( | 19:16 |
| RST38h | ;) | 19:16 |
| lardman | RST38h: can't remember, but there was some funny code, which I was thinking might be one of these remote control things | 19:16 |
| lardman | code as in codename | 19:16 |
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| RST38h | AVRC? | 19:16 |
| lardman | avrcp? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | AVRCP, sorry. That and A2DP together constitute a media playing headset | 19:17 |
| lardman | no, I'm thinking about wired headphones | 19:17 |
| RST38h | Wired headphones normally use resistive ladder, afaik | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, btw, if I want to attempt building your dsp-sbc, which mk* is the preferred one to build? | 19:18 |
| lardman | .diablo | 19:19 |
| lardman | but it only changes the path to the dsp kernel | 19:19 |
| lardman | so you'll probably need to tweak it anyway if your setup is different | 19:19 |
| lardman | what are you wanting to do anyway? | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm? I'm talking about which mk I'd want to export from here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=dsp-sbc | 19:20 |
| lardman | If you're bored, do a back port of ssvb's sbc changes from bluez4 | 19:20 |
| lardman | mk as in Makefile? | 19:20 |
| lardman | ah mk | 19:20 |
| lardman | I see | 19:20 |
| lardman | mk2 is the basic code | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, thanks | 19:21 |
| lardman | go for that, but I should backport the ssvb patches to the DSP-side | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | I thought your latest bluez deb consisted of ssvb's changes? | 19:21 |
| lardman | hmm, actually perhaps the mk2-filter+bitstream-patch | 19:22 |
| lardman | removes a memcpy | 19:22 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, but not completely up to date | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 19:22 |
| lardman | and he proivded a patch for the ARM-side in itt the other day | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | I'm enjoying ssvb's kernel patch atm | 19:22 |
| lardman | where is that one from? | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | The one he posted in the a2dp thread, I remember you thanking it :) | 19:23 |
| lardman | qwerty12: ping me next week and remind me to make a new Bluez-utils | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | what are your plans for dsp-sbc? Do you plan on integrating that into bluez-utils again? | 19:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, the bluez part anyway (sorry, I'm clueless regarding all this) | 19:25 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy: pong :) | 19:25 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: yes, I'll release an ARM-only and an ARM+DSP version | 19:27 |
| lardman | with ssvb's patches | 19:27 |
| lardman | hang on, need to pack, bbiab | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | cool, thanks | 19:29 |
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| lardman | re | 19:53 |
| lardman | qwerty12: np | 19:53 |
| lardman | I'd meant to do the patches by now, but have been busy, will do them next week when I get back | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, lol, no rush. Have a good time! | 19:54 |
| lardman | hmm, it's work, so probably lots of sitting presenting/watching presentations; we'll see | 19:54 |
| lardman | ~n900 | 19:55 |
| infobot | n900 is probably OMAP3430, HD camera, HSPA, Maemo 5 (Fremantle), probably Summer 2009 (or later) | 19:55 |
| lardman | ~rx-51 | 19:55 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 19:55 |
| lardman | hmm, come on infobot, where's the link to the kernel patch dissection? | 19:55 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Isn't that in Ryan's blog post? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25478 maybe | 19:56 |
| lardman | I was after the itt thread really, there was something in there | 19:56 |
| lardman | thanks qwerty12 | 19:56 |
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| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25478&page=20 | 20:05 |
| lardman | that's the page I was after | 20:05 |
| lardman | I knew I wasn't going mad :) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | I'm only seeing 7 pages, I wouldn't be so sure of that : | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | P | 20:06 |
| lardman | :) | 20:07 |
| lardman | anyway, I've seen what I remembered, but no closer to working out if a headset remote will work on the n810 :D | 20:08 |
| RST38h | lardman: ECI is a resistive ladder afaik | 20:09 |
| RST38h | lardman: In other words, they have got an ADC somewhere connected to one of the wires | 20:09 |
| lardman | yeah | 20:10 |
| RST38h | lardman: as you press buttons, you ground adc input through different resistors and the firmware measures voltage and converts it to button id | 20:10 |
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| lardman | I wonder if the current devices can do something like that, I'll have to look at the diagrams eventually | 20:11 |
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| wazd_n800 | hola world) | 20:13 |
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| pupnik_ | hola | 20:16 |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: Do you know whether libboost-regex builds in your boost libraries? | 20:19 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, wow!! | 20:20 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, hey Andrew!) | 20:21 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, long time no see) | 20:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles stretches and yawns. | 20:21 | |
| RST38h | lardman: acronym you are looking for is LRAD or LRADC | 20:21 |
| fiferboy | wazd_n800: It has been a while | 20:22 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 20:23 |
| lardman | RST38h: thanks, but I don't get much of any use from Google for that term | 20:24 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, I dont see you in Jabber( | 20:24 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, hola) | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, ping? | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, pong but I've gtg in 5 mins | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, Ian recommended adding qurgh-complete and lcars-extras to conflicts, too. | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Noted. I can't do anything right now (in windows currently) but it shouldn't take me long to change and regenerate new source packages to give you tomorrow | 20:28 |
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| mikkov_ | fiferboy: I have to check, probably there is some reason why it isn't built now | 20:35 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: Is it just a matter of removing the "--without-regex" line in the rules file? | 20:36 |
| mikkov_ | according to my changelog regex doesn't build for i386 | 20:37 |
| mikkov_ | but it should work for armel | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Stolen Windows Mobile 6.5 Prototype Phone Wiped Remotely | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Nice feature =) | 20:38 |
| woglinde | rst hehe | 20:38 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy: you need to add regex to some other places too | 20:39 |
| * RST38h wonders if the final version will have it | 20:39 | |
| fiferboy | Ah, I was wondering if that were the case | 20:39 |
| mikkov_ | at least boost_libs: | 20:39 |
| mikkov_ | boost_libs := | 20:39 |
| mikkov_ | do you need it for some to be extras app? | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | eeek...boost libs | 20:44 |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: I want to see if the devel version of Wesnoth builds and runs (since it will be the new stable soon), but it need regex | 20:48 |
| mikkov_ | should I update the boost in extras-devel? | 20:51 |
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| fiferboy | If it builds with regex, that would be great | 21:02 |
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| lardman | anyone got a pointer to using GStructure? | 21:36 |
| lardman | GstStructure that should be, sorry | 21:36 |
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| lardman | ah, not to worry, found something | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I just can't fathom some people. | 21:41 |
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| lardman | like whom? | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, for the moment the "Nokia should kill Maemo and switch to Symbian" crowd. | 21:44 |
| lardman | :) | 21:45 |
| lardman | ah well | 21:45 |
| lardman | they've obviously never tried to write any Symbian apps ;) | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm also confused as to why types like that insist on hanging around to troll rather than just buying want they want and moving on. | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's an awful lot of energy to waste sowing negativity. | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | hard to break the habit? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, so, you're coping to being a recovered troll, then? :P | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. nah, just fighting the fight by actually doing something | 21:48 |
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| lfelipe | name | 21:48 |
| lfelipe | ops | 21:48 |
| lfelipe | sorry | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: we should just make a rule on iTT "Each time you complain about something you have to either 1) bring it to attention to Maemo SW (bugs.maemo.org), 2) fix and provide a solution yourself or 3) support someone who can fix or provide a solution | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 4) Don't bother and STFU. | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | or 4) propose a solution for others to look into | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:50 |
| lfelipe | hehe | 21:50 |
| lfelipe | hey, is pycage around here ? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i managed to get Xomap building btw | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | was fairly simple. | 21:51 |
| lfelipe | we should establish a rule where people have to use the same nick on irc and itt | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | lfelipe: sadly those namespaces are differently occupied | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: nice. Manual refreshes all the way? :) | 21:51 |
| lfelipe | Stskeeps: if your itt nick has been taken on irc, then you prepend [ITT] to it | 21:52 |
| lfelipe | like, [ITT]lfelipe | 21:52 |
| lfelipe | yeah, ok, it's dreadful, forget I suggested it | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, possibly. it seemed a bit faster. | 21:52 |
| lfelipe | at least a new field on the itt profile to specify which irc nick is used | 21:53 |
| lfelipe | hehe | 21:53 |
| lfelipe | but I digress | 21:53 |
| lfelipe | anyone knows which nick pycage uses ? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i don't like that solution though.. i would much rather see -omapfb mature | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lfelipe: Is pycage even on irc? | 21:53 |
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| lfelipe | qwerty12_N800: good question, is he ? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | don't think so | 21:54 |
| lfelipe | why do ppl hang on forums and not on irc is unfathomable | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: but Xomap has patchable rotation & manual refreshes. I don't know much about omapfb, nor Xomap but I can't see the advantage of -omapfb over Xomap ATM. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | well. it's xorg. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | and you can throw a lot of devices at it :) | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/ATM/ATM on the N800 :)/ | 21:56 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: Stskeeps: but Xomap has patchable rotation & manual refreshes. I don't know much about omapfb, nor Xomap but I can't see the advantage of -omapfb over Xomap ATM on the N800 :). | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that's true | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | lardman, | 21:57 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 21:57 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if hwcap supports binaries. | 21:58 | |
| lcuk | hiya, ive been thinking about what you said and i might be able to give a solution | 21:58 |
| lardman | I can't remember what I said now.... | 21:58 |
| lcuk | heh :D | 21:58 |
| lardman | getting old :p | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | yeah, it was about the multibinary thing and how to do it | 21:58 |
| lardman | hmm...? | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | i was talking to kot as well and some things might work. at the moment, ill stick with how i am (basically 1 app + multiple .so's) and try to get it so that starting a new app will integrate into the screen | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: downside though, it requires vfp and armv6 to be sane | 22:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah yes, I remember now | 22:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: tbh, from a selfish view, that doesn't bother me. | 22:00 |
| lcuk | what i dont think will be practical however is letting abc application open its own little viewport within a mainly (lets say) gtk window | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: true | 22:01 |
| lcuk | it falls down when you run multiple apps using the same principle | 22:01 |
| lcuk | or want to have multiple widgets onscreen at same time each with their own viewport | 22:01 |
| lcuk | ill ponder it some more anyway | 22:02 |
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| smackpotato | anyone know any grease monkey script that speed up browsing. Ive already stoped onscroll and onexit | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | eevë | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | ... | 22:48 |
| * Stskeeps notes to himself he doesn't like his laptop keyboard. | 22:48 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ываио | 22:48 |
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| woglinde | qwerty12_N800 nice | 22:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde: lemme know if it means something :P (was typing random letters from the Russian keyboard - a friend needed it...) | 22:57 |
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| ssvb | qwerty12_N800: what you typed sounds like a mumbling noise of a really drunk guy :) | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :p | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | are there any open hardware specs for the N810? | 23:09 |
| lardman | night chaps | 23:09 |
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| luke-jr | in particular, how the sliding keyboard thing keeps a mechanical connection | 23:10 |
| inz | ssvb, it looks a lot like "vaio" to me ;) | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr: not what I'd call authorized by Nokia but... http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: that's ok, I just want to design my own hardware for a new handheld | 23:12 |
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| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: wait, before I open these-- they're not leaked/copyrighted docs, right? | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | leaked | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and copyrighted. | 23:13 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, really, it's a standard connector | 23:14 |
| AStorm | with a band | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: so I'd better not look at it if I want to compete.. | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: but how does it stay connected while sliding? | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | or is that part of why the top half the device can't be used for more kb space? | 23:14 |
| AStorm | because the connector is longer | 23:15 |
| AStorm | maybe an even longer wouldn't fit | 23:15 |
| AStorm | or the "carriage" wouldn't | 23:15 |
| luke-jr | oh, I think I see. :/ | 23:15 |
| * luke-jr wants one that slides all the way, and can then fold up like a laptop :D | 23:16 | |
| AStorm | ah, a clamshell | 23:16 |
| AStorm | nokia did some back then too | 23:16 |
| AStorm | thinkpad tablet has such a design too | 23:17 |
| AStorm | the problem is that hinge is fat and heavy | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | well | 23:18 |
| AStorm | and obviously, when closed, screen is unavailable :P | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | I mean the current design, plus clamshell | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | so you can close it by sliding or folding | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | I haven't figured out how I'd do the connector yet tho ☺ | 23:18 |
| AStorm | sliding to fold that is | 23:18 |
| AStorm | still normal tape | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | eh? | 23:18 |
| AStorm | but even longer | 23:19 |
| luke-jr | someone has made this before? | 23:19 |
| AStorm | see, it works the same as now | 23:19 |
| AStorm | because when folding, the tape is outstretched - the only problem is with sliding | 23:19 |
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| AStorm | btw, it's not the keyboard that's connected with a tape | 23:20 |
| AStorm | screen is | 23:20 |
| AStorm | but you can do it either way | 23:20 |
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| wazd_n800 | luke-jr: you want to design your own hardware and you don't know how the sliider mechanism works?) | 23:24 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, good luck :) | 23:24 |
| AStorm | yeah, weird | 23:24 |
| AStorm | maybe he should hire someone | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 23:25 |
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| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, most of the stuff is patented | 23:25 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, you should buy it or use your own tech | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: what I want doesn't exist | 23:26 |
| AStorm | (which is similar but not enough) | 23:26 |
| AStorm | oh, it does | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | I've never seen it | 23:26 |
| AStorm | sliding hinges do exist | 23:26 |
| AStorm | rare though | 23:26 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, slider does exist) | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: slider + clamshell? | 23:27 |
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| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, well, it doesnt matter how many separate techs you'll combine | 23:27 |
| luke-jr | and what did you mean my "own tech"? I thought this up on my own, and an independent implementation of it would certainly be my own tech | 23:27 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, if parts of it will void the patent - you'll be sued) | 23:28 |
| AStorm | zep | 23:28 |
| AStorm | thus, you'll have to licence it... but it might be free now | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: unless I patent the whole, and trade that patent for the sub-patents | 23:29 |
| AStorm | no | 23:29 |
| AStorm | they'll just sue you | 23:29 |
| AStorm | and take your patent as a settlement | 23:30 |
| AStorm | you lose | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | not sure they can sue me if I don't build it | 23:30 |
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| AStorm | they can if you get a patent | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | gah | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | patents are so screwed up | 23:30 |
| AStorm | or they can void your patent on unoriginal work basis | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | no, it's original work | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | I haven't read a single patent of theirs. | 23:31 |
| AStorm | it's not if it combines other patents | 23:31 |
| AStorm | that doesn't matter | 23:31 |
| AStorm | if it's similar enough, it's unoriginal | 23:31 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, if you havent read - thats your problem) | 23:31 |
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| luke-jr | if it's similar enough, then both patents are void due to the concept being trivial ;) | 23:31 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, you can't prove it | 23:31 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, no, the oldest one wins | 23:32 |
| AStorm | it wasn't trivial back then | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: patents need to be non-trivial | 23:32 |
| AStorm | or someone else would've patented it | 23:32 |
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| luke-jr | sigh | 23:32 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, anyway, prototyping is very expensive and hard work) | 23:32 |
| AStorm | and, there's that "design" protection | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: perhaps | 23:33 |
| AStorm | which is unrelated to patents | 23:33 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, Be sure) | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: and non-existent? | 23:33 |
| AStorm | but works similarly | 23:33 |
| AStorm | existent in most countries | 23:33 |
| luke-jr | last I checked, designs/interfaces can't be copyrighted | 23:33 |
| AStorm | they can. | 23:34 |
| AStorm | at least in EU | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | then why did Microsoft lose that lawsuit? | 23:34 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, say hello to Apple)) | 23:34 |
| AStorm | that's *algorithm* | 23:34 |
| AStorm | not design | 23:34 |
| AStorm | design is a real form, a piece of metal/plastic | 23:34 |
| AStorm | Aero is protected that way | 23:35 |
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| AStorm | (as a graphic design) | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | wtf is Aero? | 23:36 |
| wazd_n800 | luke-jr, does that shell-slider idea worth all that work?) | 23:36 |
| AStorm | the UI of Vista | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, M$ was suing over WIMP | 23:36 |
| AStorm | WIMP is not a design | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | wazd_n800: maybe not, I'm just annoyed with the poor keyboard | 23:36 |
| AStorm | and it's not a *new* one | 23:36 |
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| AStorm | it could use more work, but find one as thin | 23:37 |
| AStorm | the dpad a'la gameboy could be used I guess | 23:37 |
| AStorm | (not exactly the same ofc) | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | I was quite happy with the Zaurus SL-Cx60 keyboard | 23:37 |
| AStorm | also, Nokia just had them from e-series | 23:37 |
| AStorm | Zaurus is larger | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | only because of the battery | 23:38 |
| AStorm | no, it's thicker | 23:38 |
| AStorm | even w/o battery | 23:38 |
| wazd_n800 | I'm happy with Mitsumi original xD | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | ok, slightly | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | not where it matters | 23:38 |
| AStorm | this n810 keyboard is chiclet | 23:38 |
| AStorm | cheap | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | it still fits in my pocket | 23:39 |
| AStorm | and also used for e-series I think | 23:39 |
| wazd_n800 | AStorm, nope | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | usability is far more important than a tiny bit of depth | 23:39 |
| AStorm | wazd_n800, no? similar enough | 23:39 |
| wazd_n800 | AStorm, as I feel it - E90 kb is better | 23:40 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 23:40 |
| AStorm | e90 is newer | 23:40 |
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