| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: how long you gonna be around for? | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i am at a LAN party with 30 people | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | so until the caffiene runs out | 00:02 |
| neatojones | Is there a way to get to tty1? | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | sweet, I'll be back in an hour or so then.... gotta register for a pine wood derby race for my 6 year old | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | neatojones: no VT support in xorg i think | 00:03 |
| neatojones | dang. I'd rather just log out and modify file than reboot | 00:04 |
| neatojones | Thanks for the info Stskeeps | 00:05 |
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| neatojones | Stskeeps: So, if don't have omap-fb-splash and no auto-startx, I can get there can't I? | 00:21 |
| neatojones | I know i've gotten there before in Mer | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: you want to go to login: ? enable the console mode and disable auto-startx | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, excluding the tahvo usb driver, n770_defconfig actually builds in kernel-diablo | 00:24 |
| neatojones | Yep. But, I can't leave hildon to get back there, once I've used startx? No alt-ctrl-backspace on here | 00:24 |
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| neatojones | basically, I'm trying to do the equivalent of alt-ctrl-F1 (on most linux distros) | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | chvt 1? | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: sadly the X driver doesnt support chvt | 00:28 |
| neatojones | thanks guys...muh | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | evil! | 00:28 |
| neatojones | looks like I gotta chroot then | 00:29 |
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| ioan77 | hi | 00:53 |
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| ioan77 | qwerty12-n800, did you get carwhisperer to work on the tablet? | 00:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I put up a deb but due to nokia's fucking around, you'll have to enter the default passcodes automatically. I could never test it because when I connected to my headset with carwhisperer, the headset would reset itself. | 00:56 |
| pupnik_ | can mpeg4 video stream over bluetooth? | 00:57 |
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| pupnik_ | hi ssvb | 00:58 |
| ssvb | hi pupnik | 00:58 |
| pupnik_ | i was just wondering if next tablet can encode hi res mpeg4 streams from he camera | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | with dsp i guess it could | 00:58 |
| ioan77 | qwerty12, thanks. what else did you need to install to make it work on the tablet? bluez-utils? | 00:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ioan77: don't really remember - it was a long while back now. maybe my thread has info. | 00:59 |
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| oli | hey, what's n800 batery capacity (mAh) ? | 01:26 |
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| oli | 1500 mah, thx ;) | 01:31 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, bundyoÃ's patches for 770 actually work | 01:49 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800_: still awake? | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 02:02 |
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| Macer | i got my shuttle ice genie | 02:09 |
| Macer | and i guess for some reason or another .. they sent me 2 of them :) | 02:09 |
| Macer | which is good because i have 2 shuttle k45s.. but i only paid for one of them.. maybe i should send them a letter and let them know | 02:09 |
| * Macer doesn't like being dishonorable about such things | 02:09 | |
| AkkiSan | just send me your 2nd one ;-) | 02:10 |
| Macer | i have 2 shuttles | 02:11 |
| Macer | i am going to put it in the other one.. i already installed one in the first one | 02:11 |
| Macer | i think i am going to have to put the artigo somewhere else.. it's loud as hell | 02:11 |
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| AkkiSan | there he shuttles off 8) | 02:13 |
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| Macer | this sucks.. i really don't want to take this box down .. but at least i know exactly how to install it | 02:13 |
| Macer | but taking out the mboard is a pain in the ass | 02:13 |
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| Macer | intel stock cpu fans suck heh.. i guess the reason the one i had was runnign so hot was because the little plastic crap that is SUPPOSED to snap into place on the mboard.. snapped out of place by itself | 02:14 |
| Macer | so the fan was buzzing and the cpu was running REAL hot | 02:14 |
| Macer | i mean.. like.. i could smell something about to start melting hot | 02:14 |
| AkkiSan | i never had any probnlems with any shuttle system | 02:15 |
| Macer | wasn't the shuttle's fault | 02:15 |
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| AkkiSan | yours? | 02:15 |
| Macer | was the stock cpu fan's fault.. those plastic clips don't grab correctly | 02:15 |
| Macer | actually.. my k45s psu died on me | 02:16 |
| Macer | the fan did at least | 02:16 |
| Macer | that thing sounded like shit right out the box tho | 02:16 |
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| Macer | well.. let me suck it up and start shutting down this box | 02:17 |
| Macer | hopefully this will be the last time i ever have to do it.. but i'm pretty sure the fan in the other one will die soon enough also.. i think i will order another picopsu just in case | 02:17 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: fun, new kerenel to play with too? | 02:23 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, but i need to test it a little better | 02:23 |
| r2d2rogers | cool, working on testing the wirless now. | 02:24 |
| r2d2rogers | looks like we're still geting diablo kernel modules right now though | 02:24 |
| Stskeeps | <3 the SD-to-MMCmobiley-adaptor | 02:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 02:24 |
| lardman_ | night chaps | 02:24 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got a 770 in hand? | 02:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 02:25 |
| Stskeeps | and a n800, took both along | 02:25 |
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| r2d2rogers | what sd -> MMC adapter are you using? | 02:26 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ping?) | 02:37 |
| Stskeeps | plong | 02:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: while drinkin friday beer I came up with idea bout Mer icons | 02:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://i033.radikal.ru/0902/13/b67e20b284bb.png | 02:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: pretty obvious but still pretty :) | 02:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, maybe | 02:41 |
| Stskeeps | better than the current set.. | 02:41 |
| wazd | but still let's wait what Shutter77 will do) | 02:42 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah i guess | 02:43 |
| wazd | I think bubbles will be like Mer's business card :) | 02:43 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm not getting x working yet | 02:44 |
| r2d2rogers | first boot wizard worked fine though | 02:45 |
| AkkiSan | does anybody use BT PAN with windoze? | 02:46 |
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| Stskeeps | fuck, caffeine overload O_o | 03:02 |
| r2d2rogers | not good | 03:02 |
| Stskeeps | at a lan party.. i think it is obligatory | 03:02 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand i am having fun :P | 03:02 |
| r2d2rogers | still trying to get X to run on Mer here, how's the party? | 03:02 |
| r2d2rogers | Good | 03:02 |
| Stskeeps | X worked for me, -but- it seemed like swapon isnt being run | 03:02 |
| Stskeeps | as in, with the 0.7 image | 03:03 |
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| Stskeeps | er | 03:03 |
| Stskeeps | 0.8 | 03:03 |
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| r2d2rogers | looks good here. | 03:04 |
| r2d2rogers | on swap anyhow | 03:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm playing around with 2.6.28 on 770 | 03:06 |
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| r2d2rogers | Sweet | 03:08 |
| r2d2rogers | should auto-startx be K in rc5? | 03:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, start and stop | 03:09 |
| Stskeeps | (S and K) | 03:09 |
| r2d2rogers | shouldn't it be S then? | 03:09 |
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| Stskeeps | well if you get f-b-w you definately got a-s too.. | 03:18 |
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| r2d2rogers | I get the f-b-w once, then I just get dumped to colsole | 03:22 |
| r2d2rogers | console. | 03:22 |
| r2d2rogers | startx gets me: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. | 03:23 |
| r2d2rogers | through ssh | 03:23 |
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| GAN8001 | ~ping | 03:25 |
| infobot_ | ~pong | 03:25 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 03:28 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm | 03:28 |
| r2d2rogers | edited /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to put anybody where it has console and I get X now. | 03:29 |
| r2d2rogers | but I'm missing the localiaztion srtings | 03:29 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, ping? | 03:29 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: in good news, power launch works nice now <G> | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: woo | 03:32 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: tried modprobe cx3110x, ifconifg wlan0 up, restart NetworkManager, X dies | 03:45 |
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| Macer | hm.. anybody know the easiest way to batch encode mp4s to divx/xvid? | 03:58 |
| Macer | something in X would be great as i really don't want to work on making batch encoding scripts anymore | 03:58 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, Thank you. TMPDIR givin' me new life. | 04:03 |
| GAN8001 | Macer, tablet-econde? | 04:03 |
| GAN8001 | encode* | 04:03 |
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| RockyDd | how to view the page source in microB? | 05:33 |
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| daperl | no viewing, you have to save the file | 05:35 |
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| RockyDd | ok, got it thanks | 05:41 |
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| * GAN800 's tablet is suddenly hemmoraging power. | 06:38 | |
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| matmo | anyone know specs for N810 camera? | 06:41 |
| timsamoff | It's VGA. But, what are you referring to? | 06:46 |
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| matmo | pixmaps, rgb.yuv, framerate, that sort of stuff | 06:47 |
| timsamoff | Framerate is usually determined by hardware (if I'm not mistaken) and whichever settings the software is using at the time of capture. The N810's camera is fully capable of capturing at 30fps+ if it's got the hw to back it up. | 06:48 |
| timsamoff | I.e., the camera is just a lens. The hw and sw is what alters framerate. | 06:49 |
| timsamoff | The VGA camera takes 800x600 pics. | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | erm | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | usually "camera" includes hardware and software | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | and lens is hardware | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | part of* | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | and lens also has no fps/dpi limits :p | 06:50 |
| timsamoff | Right, but if you were using the N810's camera via VNC to a desktop machine, you could capture real-time, no? | 06:50 |
| timsamoff | (But, of course, I'm not so technical in this area, so please correct me!) ;) | 06:51 |
| matmo | I'm more interested in pixel formats, resolutions and colour spaces supported via v4l2 | 06:51 |
| matmo | especially if there is an existing util to dump this info | 06:52 |
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| matmo | set -x GST_DEBUG "*v4l2*:5" | 07:36 |
| matmo | gst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src num-buffers=5 ! fakesink | 07:36 |
| matmo | ...except it doesn't work :-( Seemingly an gstreamer error, patched but not on maemo yet | 07:37 |
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| b-man|asleep | -_- | 08:03 |
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| Macer | ok. how do i get ubuntu to start up /etc/init.d/ssh automatically? | 08:15 |
| Macer | there like an rc-update or something? :) | 08:15 |
| Macer | grrr | 08:23 |
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| Macer | ok.. that was 100 cool points.. i'll just pretend i didn't do that | 08:26 |
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| croppa | Is it possiable to setup maemo mapper to centre by default? | 08:42 |
| croppa | auto centre | 08:43 |
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| Macer | welp. think i'm done here :0 | 08:50 |
| Macer | :) | 08:50 |
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| hahlo | can one open tablet camera with mplayer? | 09:48 |
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| * bman_ ponders | 09:49 | |
| bman_ | eichi that works at g? | 09:49 |
| eichi | bman_, ? | 09:50 |
| bman_ | you work at g | 09:50 |
| bman_ | ? | 09:50 |
| eichi | wtf is g | 09:50 |
| bman_ | garage | 09:50 |
| eichi | no? | 09:50 |
| bman_ | my bad | 09:50 |
| eichi | yeah | 09:50 |
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| eichi | is the n8x0 serie stopped from nokia? | 10:11 |
| hahlo | picture is not good, do i have wrong parameters? mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video0:brightness=70 -vo xv | 10:11 |
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| neatojones | bman_: How do I right click in ubuntu? | 10:14 |
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| neatojones | I tried ctrl click, but it doesn't seem to be it. | 10:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Nothing like a letter from the dentist saying "It's check-up time!" to start your day :) | 10:27 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:01 |
| thopiekar | moin | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | jesus, .. i remember how bad it hurts to sleep on a floor | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | (now) | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | lol... police didn't come while you were sleeping, then? :) | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | not sure why they would | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Was thinking about the raids, maybe they reenacted the law when they got tipped off that a small lan party was going on:P | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, except torrent and such also ruined that and pervasive home connections | 11:55 |
| * aquatix had a lan party just a few weeks ago | 11:58 | |
| aquatix | but that was more nerding together than swapping files or even gaming | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it is similar to that these days | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | What did you want to ping me about btw? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | i honestly do not remember right now | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | haha, lol | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | i am however trying to boot a 2.6.28 on 770 | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | trying to get it to kick the watchdogs at the moment though | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | 'ello RST38h | 12:20 |
| RST38h | how are things? =) | 12:21 |
| thopiekar | yukop4 are you there? | 12:24 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: there? | 12:32 |
| thopiekar | moin gnuton :) | 12:32 |
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| thopiekar | -.-' | 12:32 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: I will come online again at 12:30 ( now: 11:34 ) ... cu :) | 12:34 |
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| udovdh | which app can you recommend for using the camera of the n810? | 12:37 |
| udovdh | motion? :-) | 12:37 |
| lcuk | liqbase | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | udovdh: there is an app called Camera in Extras | 12:43 |
| udovdh | aha. makes a camera of n810? | 12:43 |
| udovdh | like a `normal` photo cam? | 12:43 |
| Corsac | more like a webcam | 12:44 |
| mavhc | still or video/ | 12:44 |
| udovdh | aha | 12:44 |
| udovdh | I only find GPS-Camera on the site | 12:45 |
| udovdh | but I will try Camera out | 12:45 |
| udovdh | thanks | 12:45 |
| mavhc | and "video camera" for video iirc | 12:45 |
| udovdh | it appears I just succeeded in building navit for n810 using OE | 12:45 |
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| yukop4 | streamripper help needed | 13:04 |
| yukop4 | thopiekar ready to chat about streamripper | 13:07 |
| aquatix | ready, steady, chat! | 13:09 |
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| yukop4 | ok thopiekar how do i load the app onto my n810 | 13:22 |
| yukop4 | [streamripper] - now in extras | 13:25 |
| yukop4 | anyone know how to get these files onto the n810-the forum is [streamripper] - now in extras | 13:27 |
| yukop4 | it was posted by thopiekar on internet tablet talk forum | 13:28 |
| oli | hey, my friend wants to buy broken n810 for ~60 eur, owner says it booted to nokia logo, and after few days it stopped to respond on switch-on. he didn't plug in the charger. should he buy it? :) | 13:28 |
| yukop4 | tell him to freeze it for a day and microwave it for 60 seconds -works for me | 13:32 |
| mavhc | I just put mine in the fridge for a few hours, then it worked | 13:33 |
| mavhc | weirdest bug ever | 13:33 |
| t_s_o | there are times i wish the file manager had a "copy to" option, just like it has a "move to", as i find myself copying files more often then moving them... | 13:35 |
| yukop4 | have a look at this-[streamripper] - now in extras-on internet tablet talk-can you work out how to get the app downloaded | 13:38 |
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| yukop4 | hi qwerty12 can u help with this | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | ? | 13:39 |
| yukop4 | thopiekar has uploaded streamripper and i cannot work out how to get the files onto my n810-see my above post | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | oli: yeah, if it shows nokia logo you can usually rescue it | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | (i had same problem) | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | yukop4, I don't know about his streamripper packages, I don't use them. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | leave the battery out to drain and perhaps use another battery to flash to a recent NOLO | 13:41 |
| yukop4 | ok thanks -it was on a forum on internet tablet talk-[streamripper] - now in extras | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | heh, funny fact about 770, it sets fb_update_mode to 'disabled' when screen turns off | 13:42 |
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| oli | Stskeeps: but now it doesn't switch on -IMO the battery is out, can it be charged into that nokia? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | oli: you have a n8x0 of your own / battery? | 13:47 |
| oli | Stskeeps: anyway, 250pln -> 52 eur ;d is not really much for n810 so he'll buy it | 13:47 |
| oli | Stskeeps: yes | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | what i did was to leave the battery out for 24 hours, flashed the N810 itself with the newest firmware using another battery | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | and then putting it in charger | 13:48 |
| oli | Stskeeps: ok thanx, we'll try. | 13:50 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: | 13:57 |
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| thopiekar | yukop4: | 13:57 |
| yukop4 | ok yukp4 here | 13:57 |
| thopiekar | yukop4: hi | 13:57 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 13:57 |
| thopiekar | the packages are in the extras-devel repo | 13:58 |
| yukop4 | hi-appreciate it the time -what steps do i take | 13:58 |
| thopiekar | have you the repo in your program manager? | 13:58 |
| yukop4 | yes | 13:58 |
| thopiekar | good so install streamripper | 13:58 |
| yukop4 | when you say install it-i have about 11 files to install | 13:59 |
| thopiekar | hmm could be... whats the size of all? | 14:00 |
| yukop4 | hang on | 14:00 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 14:00 |
| yukop4 | 1.07 mb | 14:01 |
| thopiekar | should be ok then.. | 14:01 |
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| thopiekar | install it and check it out.. | 14:01 |
| * thopiekar 's tablet is at a repair shop, you know :) | 14:02 | |
| yukop4 | i download from your link with rar-then open there were 12 files | 14:03 |
| thopiekar | aah! I mean install streamripper with the packagemanager, program manager or how ever its called in english.. | 14:04 |
| thopiekar | the app with which you install apps and updates.. | 14:04 |
| yukop4 | tried that but would not work -willtry again now | 14:05 |
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| thopiekar | isn't streamripper in the list of apps? | 14:06 |
| yukop4 | yes it is -i have streamripper already working with streamtuner-an older version-i thought yours would rip any radio streams | 14:07 |
| thopiekar | should.. | 14:07 |
| thopiekar | so check your application manager whether extras-devel is your application catalogues and then install/update streamripper.. | 14:09 |
| thopiekar | thats the up-to-date version from ubuntu ported to maemo... | 14:09 |
| thopiekar | if it works just let me know to promote it to extras.. | 14:09 |
| yukop4 | what about all the lib... files do i need them | 14:09 |
| thopiekar | all dependences are on extras-devel.repo , too... | 14:10 |
| yukop4 | ok | 14:10 |
| thopiekar | everything should work fine | 14:10 |
| yukop4 | my present version of streamripper is 1.61.27 | 14:11 |
| thopiekar | should be1.63.5 i think.. | 14:12 |
| thopiekar | yes 1.63.5-1maemo0 | 14:12 |
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| yukop4 | i think i will wait till u have it in extras | 14:13 |
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| thopiekar | yes but it is in extras-devel and it has to be tested before I promote it for extras :) | 14:14 |
| yukop4 | ok when i try to open it in app manager it says incompatible | 14:15 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 14:15 |
| thopiekar | the deb? or have you choosed it from the list of installable apps? | 14:16 |
| yukop4 | when i do install update window and look at details there is no kb,s | 14:16 |
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| yukop4 | sorry it says available but not installable | 14:17 |
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| thopiekar | hmm | 14:17 |
| yukop4 | could it be that i must first uninstall older version | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | think so.. | 14:18 |
| thopiekar | but from where do you get it? | 14:18 |
| yukop4 | i got it on internet tablet talk-forum announce streamripper | 14:19 |
| * thopiekar is now looking for the thread.. | 14:19 | |
| yukop4 | search for streamripper then look for 1.61.27 | 14:21 |
| thopiekar | do you mean the deb from debernardis? | 14:21 |
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| yukop4 | yes | 14:22 |
| thopiekar | it's not compiled under diablo it's compiled under bora which is very old.. | 14:22 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 14:22 |
| thopiekar | have you uninstalled it already? | 14:22 |
| yukop4 | i know but it works for me somehow-perfectly | 14:23 |
| thopiekar | :) | 14:23 |
| yukop4 | but it only works with streamtuner-or maybe i cannot setup for other stations | 14:24 |
| yukop4 | no i did not uninstall it yet | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | it is very simple to use it with the xterm.. | 14:24 |
| thopiekar | usually with the xterm from the thread.. | 14:25 |
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| hahlo | can i somehow increase ash history longer? | 14:25 |
| yukop4 | i see but how do you go about it from xterm | 14:25 |
| thopiekar | just type in " streamripper IP:PORT -d /path/where/to/store/the/files" | 14:26 |
| thopiekar | where -d is the destination | 14:26 |
| thopiekar | and IP:PORT the radio startion's stream | 14:26 |
| thopiekar | for more information just type: streamripper --help | 14:27 |
| thopiekar | and you will get the info-page :) | 14:27 |
| yukop4 | ok i am still new at this and 51 years old -will try it | 14:28 |
| thopiekar | hehe 51 old? doesn't matter i'm 17^^ | 14:29 |
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| yukop4 | so i download your xterm version onto the remov card and then search for help with xterm | 14:31 |
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| thopiekar | uch.. sounds confusingly.. have you already installed streamripper? | 14:32 |
| papagaj | hi -- are there centralized API-s for storing Points of Interest (POI) and for accessing messages (like email, SMS and so on)? | 14:34 |
| yukop4 | yes i have but how do you get to the help files | 14:34 |
| papagaj | I mean something like address book API | 14:34 |
| thopiekar | just open the regualar Xterminal.. | 14:35 |
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| thopiekar | and type in "streamripper --help" (without the " 's) | 14:36 |
| yukop4 | i did -says cant parse options | 14:37 |
| thopiekar | silly | 14:37 |
| yukop4 | is there a soace after -- | 14:38 |
| thopiekar | no space | 14:38 |
| yukop4 | as in -- help | 14:38 |
| thopiekar | should be "--help"... | 14:39 |
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| thopiekar | i'm sorry its just "-h" | 14:39 |
| yukop4 | wont work -piece of sh.. | 14:39 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 14:39 |
| yukop4 | will try | 14:40 |
| thopiekar | see above :) | 14:40 |
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| yukop4 | yes my man i got it...what now RTFM | 14:42 |
| thopiekar | now you should make everything as explained in the iTT thread to use it with streamtuner.. | 14:44 |
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| thopiekar | install xterm, which will allow us to use x-terminal-emulator.. | 14:44 |
| thopiekar | xterm is available in extras-devel, too | 14:44 |
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| yukop4 | i have emulator -just type in r on xterm | 14:45 |
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| yukop4 | actually the problem for me is an amazing radio stream in australia called PBS 106.7-it is on the net but i cannot get it onto streamtuner so i can record it with stream ripper-that is what is driving me | 14:48 |
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| * thopiekar is checking the radiostation for yukop4 | 14:50 | |
| thopiekar | yukop4: http://www.pbsfm.org.au/ ? | 14:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001: pong | 14:54 |
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| yukop4 | yes that is the one -it has also archive where you can listen to the past year programs and it is ad free | 14:56 |
| yukop4 | you can go to "on air now" or "radio on demand" for which you register for free | 14:59 |
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| thopiekar | hmm.. I tried out "streamripper -d /whatever/../.. mms://srv1.mel.apstream.net/pbsfm".. but it doesn't work as fine as it thought.. you should keep on shoutcast tunes or try it out for your self.. maybe the stream is just lagging here in europe :) | 15:01 |
| thopiekar | just type in "streamripper -d ~/.MyDocs/.sounds/ mms://srv1.mel.apstream.net/pbsfm" to rip into the music folder of your device.. | 15:02 |
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| yukop4 | yeah i tried every which way but no luck-the station is close by so i might go there and see if i can get help--anyway thank you for your assistance | 15:05 |
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| thopiekar | yukop4: no problem :) | 15:08 |
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| * thopiekar is promoting streamripper to extras.. | 15:09 | |
| yukop4 | great | 15:10 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: there? | 15:18 |
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| * lcuk needs more tissues | 15:46 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 passes lcuk the box of kleenex | 15:47 | |
| lcuk | excellent | 15:47 |
| lcuk | i just wonder why they dont make bacon scented ones | 15:48 |
| lcuk | mind you, then it would become a food source | 15:48 |
| lcuk | whatya up to qwerty12_N800 | 15:48 |
| lcuk | bein lazy or building stuffs | 15:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | nothing much, bein lazy to use your words :p | 15:49 |
| lcuk | my words do not translate onto the internet | 15:50 |
| lcuk | i havent got a keyboard with a sheep symbol | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 15:51 |
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| arty_name | Hello! How can I make buttons in unlock dialog larger? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | arty_name, yes, use the macro zoom function. move the n8x0 closer to your face. | 15:53 |
| arty_name | lcuk, unfortunately that won't make my fingertips smaller :p | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | have you never heard of a pencil sharpener? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | its a bit messy, but gets the job done | 15:54 |
| lcuk | obviously, i do agree with you about all dialog buttons | 15:55 |
| lcuk | im not sure if gtk themes allow the size of buttons to be changed | 15:55 |
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| arty_name | I had idea of hacking or recompiling some binary which locks the screen | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | closed source :/ | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | use powerlaunch instead | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | that part is hackable | 16:01 |
| arty_name | powerlaunch has its own screen lock? | 16:02 |
| t_s_o | it basically takes over the whole power button interface... | 16:06 |
| * Stskeeps is surprised his 770 hasn't wsoded on him yet. | 16:09 | |
| arty_name | I'm reading about it right now... Need to investigate it deeper | 16:09 |
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| arty_name | Thanks everyone! | 16:09 |
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| t_s_o | Stskeeps: us or european variant? somehow i suspect the faulty ones where mostly a production run aimed at the us market | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: EU i think | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | i am actually not sure | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | i got it from a dane | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: i have 2.6.28 booting on it and trying to get umac.ko running. might actually have a shot :P | 16:13 |
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| t_s_o | Stskeeps: if it allows more then 11 channels then its a eu model, as it seems that usa and canada only have 11 wifi channels... | 16:15 |
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| t_s_o | and these things needs to be closely controlled to get past regulations | 16:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 'osso-product-info' as root will tell you | 16:16 |
| * thopiekar is now a|f|k | 16:17 | |
| Meizirkki | powerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything form diablo update repo | 16:17 |
| Meizirkki | s/form/from/ | 16:17 |
| infobot_ | Meizirkki meant: powerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything from diablo update repo | 16:17 |
| lcuk | Meizirkki, its an even more impressive feat if you can unlock it again afterwards :P | 16:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's not meant to need anything from there | 16:18 |
| * lcuk knows of many programs that can lock up n810 | 16:18 | |
| Meizirkki | k | 16:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: indeed, in mer, on a N800, powerlaunch wouldn't believe i was pressing my enter key so I worked around it by unlocking when the power button was pressed :/ | 16:19 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:19 |
| lcuk | the sheer number of things this tiny device can do never ceases to amaze me :) | 16:20 |
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| t_s_o | mostly it comes from having a hackable firmware | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | now i am terrified | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | cx3110x actually loaded + umac | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, no matter the hardware if it wasnt for the people trying we wouldnt see such things :) | 16:24 |
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| t_s_o | lcuk: true, tho i think its two sides of a coin, a device one can play around with, and the people thats interested in playing. and maybe also that the mother corp do not try to actively fight off said playing, and at times even join in | 16:33 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: cx3110x working on 770 with 2.6.28 ?? | 16:33 |
| lcuk | yeah :) | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: well, working is much to be said.. | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | it loads it.. | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | anyone with OS2008HE around? | 16:35 |
| Corsac | HE? | 16:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hacker edition, for 770 | 16:36 |
| t_s_o | hmm, is it me or have iphone cracking stopped dead after said phone got a global launch and apple got the app store going? | 16:36 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: I nearly managed to get maemo working under qemu | 16:36 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n810/ | 16:36 |
| Corsac | but then it stops there | 16:36 |
| Corsac | (it already quite long) | 16:37 |
| Corsac | so maybe it wasn't stopped | 16:37 |
| Corsac | problem is that, if I leave the workspace, the qemu window becomes black and there's no way to bring it back | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | how do i force gcc to build for old ABI? (not SYSV, but ARM) | 16:47 |
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| inz | Sts, get a gcc that does that? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | inz: well i have gotten cx3110x going but the kernel modules conflict cos the build i've made does SYSV, not ARM (EABI v0 vs EABI v4) | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | and the 770 (os2007he) kernel modules are ARM | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | (i have ported cx3110x driver to later kernels.) | 16:58 |
| inz | Stskeeps, I would guess some of the scracthbox toolchains would be that | 16:58 |
| inz | Stskeeps, which, I dunno | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:59 |
| matan | Stskeeps: did you use the exact same compiler (and compiler options) for kernel and modules? same ABI is not enough. | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | matan: aye.. well, the strange thing i am doing is that i may have a way to load umac.ko from 770 in a modern kernel. | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | umac.ko is however non-EABI, and the initial OS2007HE kernel is non-EABI (compiled, but supports EABI applications) | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | so i would like to build my kernel using that | 17:06 |
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| suihkulokki | iirc the only way to make a kernel compatible with the 770 propiertary kernel module is to use the same gcc version | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | frightening thing though h: i got n800s umac.ko to load | 17:08 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, where's my source packages? :P | 17:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001: Fixed the stuff I told you to fix? :P | 17:19 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, nah, that's why you're here. | 17:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001: Maybe in an hour then, I'm on the tablet ATM. | 17:20 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, it's a Chinook/Diablo thing. | 17:23 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, those packages are in Chinook Extras but not Diablo Extras. | 17:23 |
| * b-man is getting frustrated, the reprepro repository management software he has installed keeps erroring out when he trys to upload a package to his ubuntu-n8x0 repository - "Error: Distribution alpha contains an architecture called 'all'." >:( | 17:36 | |
| b-man | i haven't had this problem before :( | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | bÃ-man: ignore the error | 17:39 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: it's not uploading to the repo though | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | well remove 'allÃ' from the distributions thing then | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | look at my conf files maybe | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | they are public | 17:46 |
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| * Stskeeps tries out OS2008HE | 17:49 | |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, debianutils in extras seems to be breaking a couple of builds | 17:52 |
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| wazd_n800 | lo all) | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 17:53 |
| wazd_n800 | While my metro ride I came up with cool ui idea | 17:55 |
| wazd_n800 | But I forgot it( | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, hate when that happens | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | you have some brilliant idea and then your eyes catch some beautiful woman.. | 17:56 |
| wazd_n800 | exactly) | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | liqbase | 17:58 |
| lcuk | carry it, write it, remember it | 17:58 |
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| * b-man is going to go crazy; now reprepro errors out because 'all' is not in the config file, even after running reprepro clearvanished | 17:59 | |
| b-man | -_- | 17:59 |
| lcuk | all hasnt vanished :P | 18:00 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: you're a real liq-addict you know xD | 18:00 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, its available instantly and does what i want without messing so why shouldnt i be :P | 18:00 |
| lcuk | im only changing it now so if you dont like the way it works it can be altered to your tastes :) | 18:01 |
| lcuk | and it looks pretty :P | 18:01 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: nevermind xD | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | how are you anyway wazd_n800 | 18:03 |
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| wazd_n800 | lcuk: riding the train to my country | 18:03 |
| lcuk | crap i shouldnt try singing, my throat still hurts | 18:03 |
| lcuk | cool, are you inside the train or ontop of it bond style :D | 18:04 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: 2nd :P | 18:04 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: India-style)) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | heh, somehow i cant see it working at your latitude, you would be frozen solid | 18:05 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, btw, can you find the link to my bubble-icons?) | 18:08 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: true) | 18:08 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, i've lost it ( | 18:08 |
| lcuk | wazd, with any of these ui bits you make, do them as transparent pngs at a reasonable resolution and ill try them out for size in liqbase :) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_n800, http://i033.radikal.ru/0902/13/b67e20b284bb.png ? | 18:09 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: liqbase needs different ui, it's not an OS) | 18:11 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: I can try to make someting for it, with better feature usage) | 18:13 |
| wazd_n800 | qwerty12, yeah, thanks a lot) | 18:13 |
| lcuk | ok, but so far jaffas buttons look wicked :) | 18:14 |
| lcuk | was just thinking about other shapes | 18:14 |
| zenvoid | Hello people, good news: Dave Sparks confirmed to me that all alarms and ringtones included in the Android platform are free under Apache 2.0 license | 18:18 |
| zenvoid | I can make a package | 18:19 |
| wazd_n800 | zenvoid: hello | 18:19 |
| zenvoid | now we have alarms for the clock, but there is no clock app ;-) | 18:19 |
| * b-man gives up, it looks like i'll just have to re-build the entire repository.... AGAIN X( | 18:20 | |
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| zenvoid | I've taken the sounds from android sources and placed them here: http://freepats.zenvoid.org/system-sounds/android/ | 18:21 |
| zenvoid | hello wazd :) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Any gunshot ones there? :) | 18:22 |
| zenvoid | also I was thinking to port osso-chess to Mer, is somebody trying to port it? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: lo, and no, but good luck - you need hildon-games-wrapper (i think) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | and sounds good about android platform | 18:25 |
| zenvoid | osso-chess user interface sources are free, but graphics and sounds are not. I will make the sounds and the graphics for chess pieces | 18:26 |
| zenvoid | maybe I will need some help from wazd for buttons | 18:26 |
| wazd_n800 | zenvoid, make'em underwater :) | 18:26 |
| zenvoid | wazd_n800: the chess pieces??? | 18:27 |
| wazd_n800 | zenvoid, yep :) | 18:27 |
| zenvoid | haha | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | or with fish, dolphins, sea creatures ;P | 18:28 |
| wazd_n800 | zenvoid, why not?) | 18:29 |
| zenvoid | wazd_n800: my skills with graphics are limited, I was thinking to take the pieces from other free chess programs | 18:29 |
| thopiekar | how would you call a thread in ITT to collect missing apps of the users in it... "[collecting thread] - What apps do you need"? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: there is a thread like that right now | 18:30 |
| thopiekar | huch.. url? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: and i would say wishlist | 18:30 |
| wazd_n800 | zenvoid: I can help with graphics) | 18:30 |
| zenvoid | wazd_n800: good!!! | 18:30 |
| wazd_n800 | thopiekar, simpsons did it) | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: the what ports/apps one | 18:30 |
| * thopiekar is interested in porting simple apps.. | 18:31 | |
| wazd_n800 | "what apps do we need on new tablets??????" - like that | 18:31 |
| lcuk | +9999999999 | 18:31 |
| timeless | hello cat | 18:31 |
| * wazd_n800 thinks we need new tablets first) | 18:32 | |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, hey | 18:32 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, I have a small suggestion for US_en locale | 18:33 |
| thopiekar | wazd_n800: "what apps do we need on new tablets" wasn't really helpful.. | 18:33 |
| timeless | wazd: i'm listening | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | oh. we need en_SU. Ã :P 'in soviet union, application uninstalls you!') | 18:33 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 | 18:33 |
| timeless | could someone please yell at that reporter? :( | 18:33 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, for battery status display, I think it's better to write "1 hour of use" instead of "one hour of use" | 18:34 |
| timeless | wazd: oh, you're one of those | 18:35 |
| timeless | alright | 18:35 |
| * timeless sighs | 18:35 | |
| * timeless likes words | 18:35 | |
| timeless | it'll be changed in the next push | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | screen estate? :P | 18:35 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, well, people catch numbers automaticaly, without reading | 18:36 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, when you have numbers for all hours and suddenly a word for "1" - it's confusing) | 18:37 |
| timeless | interesting | 18:37 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd, moo all | 18:40 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, hola) | 18:40 |
| * timeless pokes jeremiah | 18:41 | |
| GAN800 | timeless, I was considering it but just didn't have the energy. | 18:41 |
| GAN800 | jeremiah, s/maemo/Maemo/g ;) | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Hey, he followed the template right? =) | 18:42 |
| RST38h | GAN <-- really persistent about that M letter | 18:43 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, I hoping everybody will notice so I can stop being so. ;) | 18:44 |
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| timeless | rst: i'd normally poke people about the spelling of M | 18:45 |
| timeless | but since GAN is doing it instead, i'm leaving it for him :) | 18:45 |
| timeless | currently i'm trying to poke someone @FN about the spelling of 'f' | 18:45 |
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| wazd_n800 | "Fn" I guess | 18:46 |
| * timeless tries to remember if avs is in HEL proper | 18:46 | |
| timeless | wazd: actually, no, 'Fund' | 18:46 |
| wazd_n800 | timeless, I thought it's about button, sorry) | 18:47 |
| wazd_n800 | ok, my trainstop, cya in an hour guys | 18:48 |
| timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627622 | 18:49 |
| timeless | ... Open Screen Project fund ... | 18:49 |
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| timeless | ... Open Screen Project Fund ... | 18:49 |
| timeless | so, how does one write 'f'? :( | 18:49 |
| aquatix | with a small dash? | 18:50 |
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| * aquatix is not sure what timeless is on about :) | 18:50 | |
| timeless | aquatix: remember that gan cares about Maemo (Software) and maemo.org | 18:50 |
| timeless | Imagine there was a group 'Forum Nokia' | 18:50 |
| timeless | which half the time wrote 'Forum nokia' | 18:50 |
| timeless | spelling counts | 18:50 |
| timeless | especially for the name of proper nouns | 18:51 |
| timeless | except in this blasted country | 18:51 |
| timeless | where they don't understand that proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized | 18:51 |
| aquatix | oh, you mean whether to write fund with F or f? | 18:51 |
| timeless | yes | 18:51 |
| aquatix | kk | 18:51 |
| timeless | sorry, [bee in bonet], ... | 18:51 |
| aquatix | depends whether `fund' is included in the name | 18:51 |
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| aquatix | or that it is the `Open Screen Project' fund | 18:52 |
| timeless | s/n/nn/ | 18:52 |
| infobot_ | timeless meant: sorry, [bee inn bonet], ... | 18:52 |
| timeless | s/one/onne/ | 18:52 |
| infobot_ | timeless meant: sorry, [bee in bonnet], ... | 18:52 |
| timeless | aquatix: yeah well, one would hope that *they* in announcing the stupid thing would actually know | 18:52 |
| timeless | and get it right | 18:52 |
| aquatix | they do it consitently with lowercase f | 18:53 |
| timeless | no | 18:53 |
| aquatix | in that pasted article they do | 18:53 |
| timeless | use a better 'find' | 18:53 |
| timeless | no., | 18:54 |
| aquatix | To apply for funding, visit the Open Screen Project Fund website. | 18:54 |
| timeless | line 48 | 18:54 |
| aquatix | ah | 18:54 |
| timeless | btw, there's a PR from Adobe too | 18:55 |
| timeless | http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200902/021609AdobeNokia.html | 18:55 |
| timeless | nice | 18:55 |
| timeless | they have no clue either | 18:55 |
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| timeless | i'm still 99% certain it was written by someone in the Finnish Nokia side | 18:56 |
| timeless | because it isn't American English | 18:56 |
| aquatix | heh | 18:57 |
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| Macer | think i am going to have to put xp on the artigo | 19:00 |
| Macer | mostly because the damn skype phones i got require a windows computer.. i thought they came with a dect routing base but don't! | 19:01 |
| Macer | what a load of shit :) i knew $50 was too good to be true | 19:01 |
| Macer | they work really well though | 19:01 |
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| Macer | it's nice to have this slim burner in this shuttle box now | 19:09 |
| Macer | k45 kicks ass.. k48 sucks compared to it | 19:09 |
| Macer | i mean cmon.. no pci slot? :) wtf were they thinking.. i guess they didn't want to pull business away from the k45 | 19:09 |
| thopiekar | is there a way to remove own threads on itt... | 19:11 |
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| thopiekar | I created the wishlist but after 30 of searching I found the thread of VDVsx ^^ | 19:12 |
| thopiekar | *minutes | 19:12 |
| lcuk | hey, this is linux, people have the choice about which wishlist they might want to post to! | 19:13 |
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| thopiekar | :D isn't there a way to remove the thread... I don't want to spam the forum with it now... | 19:14 |
| lcuk | heh, you will cringe everytime someone adds something to it! | 19:15 |
| zenvoid | :( | 19:15 |
| thopiekar | :P | 19:16 |
| zenvoid | osso-chess is shit | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | pychess? | 19:16 |
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| zenvoid | thopiekar: yes, I think it will be much better | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | zenvoid: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=266085#post266085 | 19:16 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 19:17 |
| zenvoid | trying to port osso-chess is a waste of time | 19:17 |
| lcuk | why | 19:17 |
| zenvoid | thopiekar: ah, good point, add pychess to the list of apps ;-) | 19:18 |
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| thopiekar | yes I don't think it's difficult to port.. | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | porting != building | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | porting pychess would be hildonizing it | 19:19 |
| lcuk | osso is already done | 19:19 |
| thopiekar | sryx qwerty12 :) | 19:19 |
| zenvoid | lcuk: but osso-chess is very limited | 19:19 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, someone replied :P | 19:19 |
| lcuk | zenvoid, its chess? | 19:19 |
| zenvoid | ? | 19:20 |
| thopiekar | I will try it after I'm finished with pulseaudio or even with my nervs working on it.. | 19:20 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 19:20 |
| lcuk | move that piece to there, we could get some cgi on it, but the basic thing doesnt change | 19:20 |
| thopiekar | haha nice one lcuk :D | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | I may bring the "ossoized" version of lmarbles to Mer, rather do like that game... | 19:21 |
| zenvoid | but it can't save games, sometimes can be very long, and if you run out of battery and close the app, the game is lost | 19:21 |
| lcuk | tracy likes mahjong | 19:21 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, vdvsx didn't post a suggestion in your thread | 19:23 |
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| thopiekar | hi VDVsx :) | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-mahjong/ - what are you waiting for, you're the coder ;) | 19:24 |
| thopiekar | we have been talking about you :) | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, good or bad ? | 19:25 |
| VDVsx | lol | 19:25 |
| lcuk | you didnt post a suggestion of your own in the thread :P | 19:25 |
| zenvoid | thopiekar: I also miss two things from my Palm OS PDA: PalmaryClock and the PIM software. I would love to replace my Palm with the N810 | 19:25 |
| lcuk | wouldn't it get sticky? | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | zenvoid: are they available in the linux scene? | 19:26 |
| zenvoid | thopiekar: no, that the problem :( | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | hmm :| | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | VDVsx: do you know how to remove threads from itt? | 19:27 |
| thopiekar | like duplicates.. | 19:27 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, dont worry, its a bit of a laugh | 19:28 |
| VDVsx | thopiekar, I think isn't possible, if you have more than 1 post | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | I started one and I noticed it as a duplicate one after 30mins | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | -.- | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | lcuk !!! | 19:28 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: ok then *g* | 19:28 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart Werror | 19:34 |
| * infobot_ executes killall -KILL Werror | 19:34 | |
| qwerty12 | Fuckers... Nokia's lmarbles depends on osso-graphics-game-lmarbles which is nokia's gfx. I'll have to make my own osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package with original lmarbles graphics. | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, or you can ask for it to be opened up :) | 19:40 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: closed? | 19:40 |
| zenvoid | qwerty12: yes, the same with osso chess and mahjong | 19:40 |
| thopiekar | omg who thinks nokia would steal this "useful" code to make money.. -.-' | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, not worth waiting, I can just make my own clone of osso-graphics-game-lmarbles with the original graphics by the lmarbles people. Not as flashy but works :) | 19:41 |
| zenvoid | qwerty12: I can help you with the sounds if you want | 19:41 |
| lcuk | *nod* i understand that | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | zenvoid, that would be nice :). apart from saying random things in a microphone, I can't do much with sound at all :) | 19:42 |
| lcuk | paging doctor wazd, theres a package reuiring your assistance ;) | 19:42 |
| lcuk | requiring | 19:42 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, those ball icons he made earlier could be used | 19:43 |
| zenvoid | so you play with the icons XDDD | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, so far I'll just use the original stuff just to get it "out there" but I will definitely be happy to accept replacements once I've got the packaging done and the game actually running :) | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | oddly, nokia's osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package doesn't have a copyright file inside it. I know I can't use them (no copyright != public domain) but still odd | 19:46 |
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| timeless | um | 19:52 |
| timeless | if someone's going to fix lmarbles | 19:52 |
| timeless | could they please do it in a way that people who are colorblind can use lmarbles? :) | 19:52 |
| timeless | oh, speaking of chess | 19:52 |
| timeless | the older releases of chess for maemo had more features | 19:52 |
| timeless | sadly, among the features was some amusing deadlocks | 19:53 |
| timeless | so they removed the features | 19:53 |
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| zenvoid | timeless: interesting way to fix bugs :D | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | libtool, under mer's sbox sdk, is gonna need fixing so it produces an object file first, I'm getting "undefined reference to `main`". | 19:55 |
| timeless | zenvoid: yeah well | 19:55 |
| timeless | the other way as evidenced friday... | 19:55 |
| timeless | was to pass the bug through a dozen people w/ zero understanding of the problem | 19:55 |
| timeless | until someone said "not my problem, wontifx" | 19:56 |
| zenvoid | XD | 19:56 |
| thopiekar | :D | 19:56 |
| rm_you | :D | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | D: | 19:58 |
| thopiekar | /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory | 19:58 |
| thopiekar | -> reinstalling sb1 then? | 19:58 |
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| zenvoid | thopiekar: hmmm... should be included in debconf package, I think | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: libtool2 and maemo is unhappy together | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | libtool2 is even outdated Stskeeps... | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, bollocks, got an example fix? I'll adapt it to lmarbles sometime | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | like the rest of the sdk :D | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: does it try to do maemo launcher stuff or? | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: wtf, libtool2 isn't outdated | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, actually, fuck osso-lmarbles, I just looked more closely: non-free/misc. Fucking Nokia. | 20:05 |
| thopiekar | ok libltld2 ^^ | 20:05 |
| thopiekar | a part of libtool.. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: lovely | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | I don't know how they can call it closed as it's just basically a wrapper around lmarbles | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, what does the copyright folder say? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Copyright:\nCopyright (c) 2004, 2005 Nokia Corporation. | 20:06 |
| zenvoid | qwerty12: ????? the engine should be free | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | i just had a former 770 user come by at this LAN party and talk about how he only used it too play mahjong.. | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | zenvoid, they've put it in the non-free section but the COPYING file says it's GPL2 | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | fuck me, i'm confused. | 20:06 |
| zenvoid | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/o/osso-lmarbles/ | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | zenvoid, look at debian/control & debian/copyright. The copying file contradicts it though | 20:07 |
| zenvoid | yes, I see | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Do nokia get anything right? | 20:08 |
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| zenvoid | qwerty12: it seems that the copyright file is copied from other package | 20:08 |
| zenvoid | it should be fixed | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | file a bug.. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:08 |
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| zenvoid | and it looks that it is not the only one... other GPL packages seem to have the same copyright file inside | 20:09 |
| zenvoid | hmmm... | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | The package is quite odd actually, god knows why it depends on the ke-recv strings | 20:09 |
| zenvoid | probably because someone copied the skel of other package to be used a a base :D | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, lazy people :D | 20:10 |
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| zenvoid | well... maybe the copyright file is for build scripts (debian/*) | 20:13 |
| zenvoid | but it is a bug anyways, they should also be free | 20:13 |
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| zenvoid | ... uhmm... well, I don't know, fucking nokia too :P | 20:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | I'm back | 20:19 |
| b-man | hello wazd :) | 20:20 |
| jjardon | hello, will maemo sdk+(Scratchbox2) replace maemo sdk (Scratchbox1) in frematle? | 20:20 |
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| thopiekar | hmm http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 does anyone know why this happend? | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | jjardon: don't think so.. | 20:21 |
| jjardon | and in future releases? | 20:22 |
| jjardon | Can i develop with sdk+ for diablo? | 20:23 |
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| * thopiekar is a sb1 user, who tried sb2 but wasn't really attired in it :D | 20:24 | |
| zenvoid | jjardon: I also prefer sb2, but currently it has some bugs that make many programs fail to compile | 20:24 |
| zenvoid | sometimes rm -r enters an infinite loops that eat all cpu and memory until the oom killer appears | 20:25 |
| jjardon | I'm starting and I would want to learn only one dev environment ;-), so I've installed sb2 | 20:27 |
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| b-man | someone was using my username 0o | 20:29 |
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| thopiekar | b-man: omg^^ | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | that isn't you? :P | 20:29 |
| b-man | no | 20:29 |
| b-man | :P | 20:29 |
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| sandel | hi | 20:29 |
| b-man | hello | 20:30 |
| thopiekar | hi | 20:30 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: your guess? http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 | 20:31 |
| sandel | does anyone know how to configure eclipse in order to compile a qt application as in armel target? | 20:31 |
| thopiekar | sandel: 1. no 2. yes | 20:31 |
| thopiekar | usually you would use qt with c++ or python... | 20:32 |
| sandel | yes | 20:32 |
| sandel | it's a qt application | 20:32 |
| sandel | a project in eclipse | 20:32 |
| thopiekar | have you a plugin for it? for qt? | 20:33 |
| sandel | but I want to compile it from eclipse using armel or x86 target | 20:33 |
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| sandel | i have that qt integration plugin installed in eclipse | 20:34 |
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| thopiekar | wow should be added in my project easy-sdk... :P | 20:34 |
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| thopiekar | if you use the plugin in which language have you to code.. | 20:35 |
| thopiekar | ? | 20:35 |
| sandel | i'm using c++ with qt | 20:35 |
| thopiekar | you have to install esbox then.. | 20:35 |
| thopiekar | and cdt | 20:35 |
| sandel | i also have installed that esbox | 20:35 |
| sandel | and cdt | 20:35 |
| thopiekar | on 3.3 europa? | 20:36 |
| sandel | but when i choose to make a maemo application | 20:36 |
| sandel | for 86 or armel target | 20:36 |
| sandel | i canot compile a qt application | 20:36 |
| sandel | yes | 20:36 |
| sandel | europa winter | 20:36 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:37 |
| thopiekar | you should create a esbox-project and create a qt-project "over it".. create the build env and there you go :P | 20:38 |
| thopiekar | should work.. | 20:38 |
| sandel | exactly that is the thing i can't make | 20:39 |
| sandel | create the build environment | 20:39 |
| thopiekar | have you configured your sb1 well? | 20:41 |
| thopiekar | installed sb1 with the script and maemo diablo, too? | 20:41 |
| sandel | it's configured | 20:41 |
| sandel | yes | 20:41 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 20:41 |
| thopiekar | have you installed all qt packages on the target? | 20:41 |
| sandel | yes | 20:42 |
| sandel | for x86 and armel both | 20:42 |
| sandel | is it necesarry to create a new target? | 20:42 |
| thopiekar | hmm have you configured esbox in eclipse, too? | 20:42 |
| thopiekar | no | 20:42 |
| sandel | yes | 20:42 |
| sandel | it's configured | 20:43 |
| thopiekar | are you using linux? | 20:43 |
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| sandel | yes | 20:44 |
| sandel | i have scratchbox installed under ubuntu 8.10 | 20:44 |
| sandel | if I create an esbox project and then a qt project over it | 20:45 |
| sandel | must I delete the sources before adding the qt project? | 20:46 |
| thopiekar | open a terminal and type in which java.. | 20:46 |
| thopiekar | I'm not sure but it could be that you are using gcj which makes eclipse buggy | 20:47 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 20:47 |
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| thopiekar | excuse me.. type in " sudo update-alternatives --config java " .. and write back which java is marked.. | 20:50 |
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| sandel | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java | 20:54 |
| sandel | it says there is nothing to configure | 20:54 |
| thopiekar | :| don't know whats the problem then.. | 20:55 |
| thopiekar | but you are not using eclipse from apt.. right? | 20:55 |
| sandel | I tried to make an esbox project and then add a qt project | 20:55 |
| sandel | but there are 2 different perspectives here | 20:56 |
| sandel | so no success | 20:56 |
| thopiekar | I think you have to switch between them too | 20:56 |
| thopiekar | s/too/two/ | 20:56 |
| infobot_ | thopiekar meant: I think you have to switch between them two | 20:56 |
| sandel | yes but if a switch it makes two projects | 20:57 |
| sandel | instead of one | 20:57 |
| thopiekar | choose the cdt perspective and make env with it.. | 20:57 |
| sandel | can you help me set up this env? | 20:59 |
| thopiekar | hmm I'm not really familar with the qt-plugin so I can't help you | 20:59 |
| sandel | aha | 20:59 |
| sandel | ok | 20:59 |
| sandel | thanks | 20:59 |
| thopiekar | whats the url for the plugin? | 20:59 |
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| thopiekar | I could try it.. | 20:59 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: It looks like you uploaded a package called debianutils yesterday? | 21:00 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: possible... | 21:00 |
| sandel | http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/eclipse-integration | 21:00 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: It is causing breakage of other people's builds | 21:00 |
| jeremiah | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4139 | 21:00 |
| thopiekar | ;( shit | 21:00 |
| jeremiah | Do you have an older version? | 21:01 |
| jeremiah | Or a working version? | 21:01 |
| thopiekar | of what? | 21:01 |
| jeremiah | of: debianutils_2.29maemo2_armel.deb | 21:01 |
| thopiekar | how is the path of apt's cache? | 21:02 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: No big deal, I can replace it with one from diablo. | 21:02 |
| thopiekar | huch.. I thought :P | 21:02 |
| thopiekar | I'm really wondering why it causes breakages.. | 21:03 |
| thopiekar | I don't think that I have prepared the control-file much.. | 21:03 |
| thopiekar | aah btw.. do you know why this happens: http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 | 21:04 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 21:04 |
| sandel | sorry but I have just one more question | 21:04 |
| sandel | using only esbox plugin | 21:04 |
| sandel | how can I compile qt code in it? | 21:05 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: ? | 21:05 |
| jeremiah | Hi, I will be back and forth here, trying to fix the autobuilder | 21:06 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: or do you mean xutils.. | 21:14 |
| thopiekar | ? | 21:14 |
| jeremiah | Well if you look at the bug report, people seem pretty convinced that it is http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/d/debianutils/debianutils_2.17_i386.deb | 21:15 |
| jeremiah | that got changed. | 21:15 |
| chelli | thopiekar: why did you upload a newer version of the debianutils package at all? | 21:16 |
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| thopiekar | because I needed it for pulseaudio or something else.. | 21:17 |
| thopiekar | sry man :| I should get in contact with jeremiah in future before uploading packages like that.. | 21:18 |
| * timeless pokes jeremiah | 21:18 | |
| chelli | thopiekar: are you shure that pulseaudio will not work with the older debianutils from diablo? | 21:18 |
| timeless | jeremiah: so... about tool chain upgrades | 21:19 |
| timeless | if you or someone else wants something upgraded | 21:19 |
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| timeless | they need to ask *very* early | 21:19 |
| timeless | because any attempt to break the toolchain late is likely to break some app internally | 21:19 |
| thopiekar | I am currently rebuilding the sources from ubuntu (intrepid) and there was debhelper7 needed and this also needs a newer debianutils.. | 21:19 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: No big deal, these things happen. | 21:19 |
| timeless | and such a break being unacceptable would cause the toolchain upgrade to be bounced | 21:20 |
| thopiekar | I think the situation was like that.. | 21:20 |
| jeremiah | timeless: Well, I think we should make this kind of thing impossible. | 21:20 |
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| timeless | jeremiah: which thing? | 21:20 |
| jeremiah | timeless: A random upload allowed to sabotage the build deamons. | 21:20 |
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| timeless | err | 21:20 |
| timeless | did i miss something? | 21:21 |
| timeless | did someone break the autobuilders? :) | 21:21 |
| jeremiah | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4139 | 21:21 |
| chelli | jeremiah: maybe it would be a good idea to force some kind of manual approvemen at least for packages which are maeked as essential (debianutils would be such a package) :) | 21:21 |
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| timeless | i meant a request to change the nokia infra :) | 21:21 |
| jeremiah | timeless: I thought that was what you were referring to. :) | 21:21 |
| jeremiah | chelli: This sounds like an excellent idea. :) | 21:21 |
| jeremiah | chelli: I think we need to come up with some kind of QA assurance that is automated. | 21:22 |
| timeless | jeremiah: i meant something from your mailinglist | 21:22 |
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| jeremiah | But this type of thing can happen. | 21:22 |
| jeremiah | timeless: Oh! Yeah, that. | 21:22 |
| chelli | jeremiah: or even further, replace the current upload queue handling with dak, afaik X-Fade already experimented with dak :) | 21:22 |
| timeless | jeremiah: however, this is a good example of why such a request needs to be done as i described :) | 21:22 |
| jeremiah | timeless: I hope that was not taken as a criticism, I am just uncertain of the time scale I ought to expect. | 21:23 |
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| timeless | jeremiah: oh, *shrug*, i don't care | 21:23 |
| timeless | it's not my area | 21:23 |
| timeless | i'm just providing an explanation | 21:23 |
| timeless | commercial systems can't move as fast | 21:24 |
| jeremiah | chelli: Yeah, X-Fade and I have been discussing dak. | 21:24 |
| jeremiah | timeless: Yeah, from my experience inside Ericsson they were pretty slow. | 21:24 |
| chelli | jeremiah: i also think that some automated qa-testing would be very good (the lintian package like you requested on maemo-developers would be a very good starting point) | 21:24 |
| jeremiah | chelli: I would like us all to modify it so it is more maemo specific, I think we can get some good packages that way. | 21:25 |
| chelli | jeremiah: and i think that something like the Debian PTS would be great for maemo | 21:25 |
| jeremiah | chelli: Man, you read my mind. I have been thinking that too. | 21:25 |
| chelli | :) | 21:25 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: don't foreget if you will modify the interface like that as discussed now... don't foreget to add two fields to fill out like in garage.. "Have you really talked about that with jeremiah?" and "Have you really really talked about that with jeremiah?" for people like me who don't know that this packages is so much important for the others.. | 21:26 |
| thopiekar | :P | 21:26 |
| GAN800 | Throws some Maemo's around. | 21:26 |
| GAN800 | /me | 21:26 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: heh. | 21:26 |
| jeremiah | I can't be the gatekeeper. :) | 21:27 |
| chelli | :) | 21:27 |
| jeremiah | This is something we all share anyway. | 21:27 |
| jeremiah | We all just need to come up with ways to make sure that our automated build system stays healthy for users. :) | 21:27 |
| GAN800 | Taser implants for all Extras uploaders. | 21:29 |
| thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 .... any ideas? | 21:30 |
| * Stskeeps uploads source for the 770 wifi experiment (didn't succeed at 2.6.28 :P) | 21:30 | |
| jeremiah | GAN800: heh, some kind of electro-shock-over-ethernet. :) | 21:30 |
| chelli | hehe | 21:31 |
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| * timeless hunts dinner | 21:33 | |
| chelli | we can introduce something like the "maemo blame game", simmiliar to what other projects are doing (http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/02/09/blame-game/ for an example) :) | 21:33 |
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| jeremiah | chelli: I'll have to look at that, Daniel is kind of a friend of mine so I doubt he would be too mean. :) | 21:37 |
| chelli | :) | 21:37 |
| jeremiah | chelli: That is actually a really good idea. I will put it on my list. | 21:38 |
| timelE61i | sPeaking of lists... | 21:42 |
| * thopiekar is going to turn off his pc... | 21:46 | |
| thopiekar | cu! | 21:46 |
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| timelE61i | wzad: you really want 1? | 21:48 |
| * timelE61i kinda likes the difference | 21:49 | |
| timelE61i | it hints that it's important | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | Oh well | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | Jeremiah: so... Uninstall path? | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | Also, does dpkg divert handle upgrades? | 21:50 |
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| timelE61i | I.e. If i divert file a1 from pkg pA, and pA is upgraded, does the upgrade apply to the diversion? | 21:51 |
| jeremiah | timelE61i: Ah, the old uninstall path. :) | 21:51 |
| timelE61i | Someday it'll be an old friend | 21:52 |
| jeremiah | timelE61i: I don't have an answer for you yet. :-/ | 21:52 |
| jeremiah | But I will get one. | 21:52 |
| timelE61i | Today, it's merely a shared nemesis | 21:52 |
| jeremiah | heh | 21:52 |
| jeremiah | A sense of humor! | 21:52 |
| jeremiah | :) | 21:52 |
| timelE61i | Search your feelings ... | 21:53 |
| jeremiah | I have, and I am very scared and frightened. | 21:53 |
| timelE61i | They're broadcasting the animated star wars here | 21:53 |
| jeremiah | You finns really know how to live, we have hockey on TV | 21:53 |
| jeremiah | But I like hockey. :) | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | We're supposed to have one of the season openers here in HEL | 21:54 |
| jeremiah | timelE61i: Yeah I saw that! | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | I need to figure out if i can go to the friday game | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | It seems unlikely | 21:54 |
| jeremiah | We are too, in Stockholm | 21:54 |
| jeremiah | The Red Wings. | 21:54 |
| jeremiah | The Red Wings are mostly Swedish anyway. | 21:55 |
| timelE61i | I think your matchup sounded beter | 21:55 |
| timelE61i | s/ete/etter/ | 21:55 |
| infobot_ | timelE61i meant: I think your matchup sounded betterr | 21:55 |
| jeremiah | My ketchup does sound batter. | 21:55 |
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| timelE61i | Eh? | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | Where did that extra 'r' come from? | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | Oh | 21:56 |
| * timelE61i cries | 21:56 | |
| jeremiah | BTW people, I think you can try to upload and autbuild stuff again, I did a hacky manual "fix". | 21:58 |
| jeremiah | Hopefully that will hold for a while. :) | 21:58 |
| timelE61i | Replacement package? | 21:59 |
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| jeremiah | Well, not really a replacement, just pulled down an old one from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/d/debianutils/ | 22:01 |
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| timelE61i | Hey | 22:12 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here use gizmo' | 22:12 |
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| ezadkiel_mB | is anyone here familiar with testing osso_hw_state_t? | 22:19 |
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| * timelE61i sighs | 22:27 | |
| timelE61i | these strings suck | 22:27 |
| timelE61i | Wazd: ping | 22:27 |
| timelE61i | Or gan, jaffa, someone :) | 22:28 |
| RST38h | http://photofile.ru/photo/derais.fotoplenka/140142663/xlarge/146398325.jpg | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lo slonopotamus | 22:36 |
| slonopotamus | hi sts | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 22:37 |
| * RST38h moss at Sts | 22:37 | |
| RST38h | moos | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 22:38 |
| slonopotamus | tired. spent some time profiling emerge (gentoo package manager) results: +20% speedup. not enough, but good anyway. | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 22:39 |
| * Stskeeps has been doing 770 experiments with modern kernels | 22:39 | |
| Stskeeps | actually made a compilable cx3110x for 2.6.28 and a insertable umac.ko but it didn't work that well :/ | 22:39 |
| slonopotamus | modern = not maemo 2.6.21? | 22:40 |
| * RST38h has been digging into ARM assembly and found a few weird things | 22:40 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | well 2.6.21 would be modern for 770 too.. | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Very non-obvious | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | it is at 2.6.16 | 22:40 |
| ssvb | RST38h: ? | 22:40 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why do you need cx3110x? why not sltc? | 22:40 |
| RST38h | ssvb: I have found a program that does MOV LR/BLL instead of BLH/BLL for example | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no 770 support for stlc45xx | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | it is a stlc4370 there so | 22:41 |
| RST38h | ssvb: And also does LDM/STM with misaligned stack address | 22:41 |
| slonopotamus | ah | 22:41 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, why do you need to dig arm assembly? | 22:42 |
| RST38h | slono: For various reasons. | 22:42 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i packaged cx3110x, it compiles & works. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: good | 22:43 |
| ssvb | RST38h: regarding LDM/STM, it is probably a bug in a program (unaligned int * pointer), and gcc just optimized loading of several variables | 22:43 |
| RST38h | mostly insuring compatibility | 22:43 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, so | 22:43 |
| slonopotamus | oops | 22:43 |
| RST38h | ssvb: I have no idea what was used to compile the program but doubt it was gcc optimization | 22:43 |
| RST38h | ssvb: In any case, LDM/STM seem to completely ignore lower two bits | 22:43 |
| ssvb | RST38h: that's a bit nasty because with the older kernels the process would get stuck on that LDM instruction constantly triggering exceptions | 22:43 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, so theoretically i have wifi, just heed to configure it & write docs. | 22:43 |
| RST38h | svb: It may trigger exceptions on ARM9+ | 22:44 |
| ssvb | RST38h: that's on ARM11, don't know about older cores | 22:44 |
| RST38h | ssvb; My target was ARM7TDMI | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | ssvb: No exceptions apparently, and not even a customary shift ARM does when accessing misaligned memory | 22:44 |
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| ssvb | RSt38h: this stuff is clearly explained in ARM manual | 22:45 |
| * slonopotamus just used proper mtune and didn't bother with assembly :) | 22:45 | |
| RST38h | ssvb: If I remember correctly, it is marked as implementation dependent | 22:45 |
| RST38h | ssvb: I.e. they say "we do it this way on this core, but it may change" | 22:46 |
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| slonopotamus | my mum says that accessing misaligned memory is bad. | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Well, they did not ask me. | 22:47 |
| slonopotamus | hehe. kidding. :) | 22:47 |
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| ssvb | RST38h: MOV LR, .. is also a normal instruction, actually it is often used as MOV LR, PC / MOV PC, Rx to make a call of function by pointer, reading PC also conveniently returns address of 2 instructions ahead (8 bytes delta) | 22:49 |
| RST38h | ssvb: This is a little bit different | 22:53 |
| RST38h | ssvb: We are talking THUMB, not proper ARM | 22:54 |
| RST38h | ssvb: In THUMB, the "correct" way to call a function is BLH/BLL | 22:54 |
| RST38h | OR you can do MOVHI of course | 22:54 |
| RST38h | But MOV LR / BLL is weird | 22:54 |
| timelE61i | Slonopotamus, can i trouble you to play w/ gizmo for 10mins? | 22:55 |
| ssvb | RST38h: ok, I never had to use THUMB myself so don't know much about it | 22:57 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, i need to install it? | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo _BuBU | 23:01 |
| timelE61i | Not immediately | 23:02 |
| timelE61i | First you need to suffer through its install dialogs | 23:02 |
| _BuBU | 'lo Stkkeeps | 23:02 |
| * timelE61i doesn't like their text and needs to work out replacement language | 23:02 | |
| Stskeeps | _BuBU: i put out pocket loox image along with Mer 0.8 release btw if you want to play (it doesn't have a correct theme for the resolution) | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 23:03 |
| timelE61i | anyway, step one, tap apps, communicatiom, gizmo | 23:03 |
| _BuBU | ok thx | 23:03 |
| ssvb | RST38h: I'm getting spoiled by the new better hardware, even ARM11 seems a bit too old for me :) | 23:03 |
| _BuBU | will check it | 23:04 |
| timelE61i | You should get a relatively harmless dialog asking if you want to install gizmo | 23:04 |
| timelE61i | If at any time you find text objectionable, speak up | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | when i click on gizmo, it says 'this software is not from Nokia. install Gizmo?' | 23:04 |
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| slonopotamus | i'm not sure i'm interested whose software it is. | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | hrm, that wasn't what i got... | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | Indeed | 23:05 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, i'm translating what it says to me in russian :) | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | Do you already have whichever catalog it's using installed? | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | Because i got an add catalog dialog | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | Which i'm guessing would have come before your dialog | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ssvb: I kinda don't care about the hardware age | 23:06 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, nope, catalogue question is next | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ssvb: Actually, I would prefer it not to throw exceptions at misaligned accesses, as it would make my job easier :) | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | Oh! Odd | 23:07 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, if i say yes on girst one, it opens app mgr, waits and asks if i want to add catalogue | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | ok | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | So.. Do you find the catalog question oddly worded? | 23:08 |
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| timelE61i | Add catalog | 23:09 |
| ssvb | RST38h: I also don't care about the hardware age, but realistically speaking I somehow can't force myself to optimize SBC codec for ARMv6 for the last few weekends | 23:09 |
| RST38h | From the bug list: | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | In order to install software from this source a catalog must be added. Add catalog now? | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | Gizmo Catalogue | 23:09 |
| RST38h | 1203 - Barbie Horse Adventures (E).gba Barbie's horse has holes. | 23:10 |
| slonopotamus | too many 'catalog' words | 23:10 |
| timelE61i | slono: *nod* | 23:10 |
| ssvb | RST38h: lol | 23:11 |
| RST38h | ssvb: Maybe you should first optimize for MIPS32v1 | 23:11 |
| timelE61i | Slono: also, "what's a source?" | 23:11 |
| RST38h | ssvb: After that, you will see how plush ARMv6 is | 23:11 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, dunno :) and what 'this' soure? | 23:11 |
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| timelE61i | dunno :) | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | Good, so, you see the problems | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | Shall we try to fix it? | 23:12 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, i guess the same message is shown when you click on .install file that adds repo. | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | (it=the message / them=the problems) | 23:12 |
| ssvb | RST38h: well, I don't have any MIPS hardware anyway, but got another kind of "embedded" toy - playstation3 | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | Slono: i believe so | 23:13 |
| RST38h | ssvb: That is PowerPC though | 23:13 |
| timelE61i | Last i checked, these installers basically launch a .install file | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Not exactly a low-end hardware | 23:13 |
| ssvb | PST38h: yes, plus a bunch of SPE cores which might be fun to hack | 23:13 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, it's ugly, but understandable. and passable with 'next,next,next' strategy | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Naaah | 23:14 |
| timelE61i | hah | 23:14 |
| RST38h | The whole thing was IBM's ploy to rob Sony of money | 23:14 |
| RST38h | And it worked beautifully! | 23:14 |
| slonopotamus | there isn't word 'passable'? | 23:14 |
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| timelE61i | Slono: you'd be able to use the rhapsody remote w/ that strategy | 23:14 |
| ssvb | RST38h: well, "only" 256MB of memory and framebuffer based video output without any kind of HW acceleration (when running linux of course), this somewhat reminds embedded systems | 23:15 |
| ssvb | RST38h: so it is quite similar to internet tablets, which also have DSP core | 23:16 |
| RST38h | ssvb: Real embedded systems only have red LEDs! =) | 23:16 |
| ssvb | RST38h: except that PS3 is quite hefty and eats a lot of power :) | 23:16 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, first dialog should better be something like 'in order to use Gizmo, it needs to be insstalled first. Continue?' | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Wing Commander works now | 23:17 |
| RST38h | ssvb: BTW, PSP probably has a MIPS | 23:17 |
| slonopotamus | that works if user already knows what gizmo is :) | 23:18 |
| timeless | hold on | 23:18 |
| timeless | bringing up my translation editor | 23:18 |
| * Stskeeps still thinks Gizmo, Skype, should be in HAM instead. | 23:18 | |
| slonopotamus | crap. after adding repo it warns me _again_ that software was not created by nokia | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | similar with flash | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | don't even get me started on some of the bundled apps.. | 23:19 |
| slonopotamus | with big ugly appmgr banner | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact they are mostly uninstallable :P | 23:20 |
| timeless | slono: yeah, i got that one | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus: which is why I use patched ham w/out that message :) | 23:20 |
| timeless | odd that i didn't get the first one | 23:20 |
| timeless | qwerty: cheater | 23:20 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly why his 770 says it is charging without the charger being in.. | 23:21 | |
| slonopotamus | timeless, you get appmgr immediately when you click on gizmo icon? | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless: :p, it's a pita having to answer yes to the same question, this isn't windows! :) | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | except if i have a magical fuel cell powered tablet.. | 23:21 |
| timeless | slono: i got a do you want to install gizmo message | 23:22 |
| timeless | and then the you need to add repo | 23:22 |
| timeless | and then the this isn't nokia | 23:22 |
| timeless | but i seem to be short one message | 23:22 |
| * timeless feels cheated | 23:22 | |
| timeless | or at least shorted | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, third one is standard bbig appmgr warning | 23:22 |
| * timeless nods | 23:23 | |
| timeless | slono: but you'd agree it needs work? | 23:23 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless, yep. i only want one confirmation asking me if i want to install it and warning me that i need internet connection. | 23:24 |
| timeless | sadly i can't delete dialogs | 23:25 |
| timeless | would that i could | 23:25 |
| timeless | eep | 23:26 |
| timeless | gizmo is stupid | 23:26 |
| timeless | they have localizations for de, es, fr, it, and pt, but not en | 23:26 |
| slonopotamus | 00:27 here. i probably should go to bed :) wife is sleeping already | 23:27 |
| slonopotamus | ok, after 3 OKs it says gizmo is installed (one more OK). now i have to close appmgr manually and pick gizmo from menu once more. | 23:30 |
| timelE61i | heh | 23:31 |
| timelE61i | "To install this software, the %s catalog must be added.\n | 23:32 |
| timelE61i | Add now?" | 23:32 |
| timelE61i | Sound better? | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | incredible usability | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, much better | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 23:32 |
| timelE61i | Ok sleep well | 23:32 |
| timelE61i | We can fight gizmo itself tomorrow | 23:32 |
| slonopotamus | will it become 'Gizmo Catalogue catalog'? | 23:33 |
| timelE61i | Yes | 23:33 |
| * timelE61i cries | 23:33 | |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 23:33 |
| timelE61i | "To install this software, a catalog must be added.\n | 23:34 |
| timelE61i | Add now?\n | 23:34 |
| timelE61i | %s" | 23:34 |
| slonopotamus | btw. wtf with this catalog/catalogue stuff? | 23:34 |
| timelE61i | Uk v us | 23:34 |
| timelE61i | the brits like ue's all over | 23:34 |
| timelE61i | The americans aren't so wasteful | 23:35 |
| slonopotamus | are you sure anyone interested in catalog name at all? :) | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (real english v fake english a.k.a us english) | 23:35 |
| timelE61i | And the idiots who designed the app didn't consult anyone before picking the terms | 23:35 |
| timelE61i | Or they managed to consult someone who was totally ignorant | 23:36 |
| timelE61i | Whichever | 23:36 |
| timelE61i | slono: there's a details button | 23:36 |
| timelE61i | I can omit %s | 23:36 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, that message won't work when user just clicks .install that adds catalog. | 23:36 |
| timelE61i | oh | 23:37 |
| slonopotamus | no 'this software' in that case | 23:37 |
| timelE61i | A .install file need not simply install software? | 23:37 |
| * timelE61i nods | 23:37 | |
| slonopotamus | .install file can just add catalog andd same message is used | 23:37 |
| * timelE61i sighs | 23:38 | |
| timelE61i | yeah yeah | 23:38 |
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| timelE61i | Stupid | 23:38 |
| * timelE61i will file a bug | 23:38 | |
| timelE61i | a message must only apply to a single context | 23:38 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, try .install file with multiple catalogs :) it gives this message for each of them | 23:39 |
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| timelE61i | Ok... So how the heck do i fix this message given it's broken by design? | 23:39 |
| timelE61i | Oh nice | 23:39 |
| slonopotamus | timelE61i, 'To install additional software, the %s catalog must be added.\nAdd now?' and remove 'Catalogue' from gizmo .install file | 23:42 |
| slonopotamus | however that really should be two separate messages | 23:43 |
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| slonopotamus | when you just add catalog and when you install software that needs catalog to be able to be installed. | 23:43 |
| timelE61i | Slono: yes, yes, thanks, good night | 23:45 |
| slonopotamus | bb | 23:45 |
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