IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-02-21

r2d2rogersStskeeps: how long you gonna be around for?00:00
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i am at a LAN party with 30 people00:02
Stskeepsso until the caffiene runs out00:02
neatojonesIs there a way to get to tty1?00:02
r2d2rogerssweet, I'll be back in an hour or so then....  gotta register for a pine wood derby race for my 6 year old00:03
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Stskeepsneatojones: no VT support in xorg i think00:03
neatojonesdang.  I'd rather just log out and modify file than reboot00:04
neatojonesThanks for the info Stskeeps00:05
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neatojonesStskeeps:  So, if don't have omap-fb-splash and no auto-startx, I can get there can't I?00:21
neatojonesI know i've gotten there before in Mer00:21
Stskeepsneatojones: you want to go to login: ? enable the console mode and disable auto-startx00:23
Stskeepsok, excluding the tahvo usb driver, n770_defconfig actually builds in kernel-diablo00:24
neatojonesYep.  But, I can't leave hildon to get back there, once I've used startx?  No alt-ctrl-backspace on here00:24
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neatojonesbasically, I'm trying to do the equivalent of alt-ctrl-F1 (on most linux distros)00:27
qwerty12_N800chvt 1?00:27
Stskeepsneatojones: sadly the X driver doesnt support chvt00:28
neatojonesthanks guys...muh00:28
neatojoneslooks like I gotta chroot then00:29
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ioan77qwerty12-n800, did you get carwhisperer to work on the tablet?00:54
qwerty12_N800I put up a deb but due to nokia's fucking around, you'll have to enter the default passcodes automatically. I could never test it because when I connected to my headset with carwhisperer, the headset would reset itself.00:56
pupnik_can mpeg4 video stream over bluetooth?00:57
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pupnik_hi ssvb00:58
ssvbhi pupnik00:58
pupnik_i was just wondering if next tablet can encode hi res mpeg4 streams from he camera00:58
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Stskeepswith dsp i guess it could00:58
ioan77qwerty12, thanks. what else did you need to install to make it work on the tablet? bluez-utils?00:58
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qwerty12_N800ioan77: don't really remember - it was a long while back now. maybe my thread has info.00:59
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olihey, what's n800 batery capacity (mAh) ?01:26
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oli1500 mah, thx ;)01:31
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Stskeepsneat, bundyoÃ's patches for 770 actually work01:49
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800_: still awake?02:02
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Maceri got my shuttle ice genie02:09
Macerand i guess for some reason or another .. they sent me 2 of them :)02:09
Macerwhich is good because i have 2 shuttle k45s.. but i only paid for one of them.. maybe i should send them a letter and let them know02:09
* Macer doesn't like being dishonorable about such things02:09
AkkiSanjust send me your 2nd one ;-)02:10
Maceri have 2 shuttles02:11
Maceri am going to put it in the other one.. i already installed one in the first one02:11
Maceri think i am going to have to put the artigo somewhere else.. it's loud as hell02:11
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AkkiSanthere he shuttles off 8)02:13
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Macerthis sucks.. i really don't want to take this box down .. but at least i know exactly how to install it02:13
Macerbut taking out the mboard is a pain in the ass02:13
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Macerintel stock cpu fans suck heh.. i guess the reason the one i had was runnign so hot was because the little plastic crap that is SUPPOSED to snap into place on the mboard.. snapped out of place by itself02:14
Macerso the fan was buzzing and the cpu was running REAL hot02:14
Maceri mean.. like.. i could smell something about to start melting hot02:14
AkkiSani never had any probnlems with any shuttle system02:15
Macerwasn't the shuttle's fault02:15
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Macerwas the stock cpu fan's fault.. those plastic clips don't grab correctly02:15
Maceractually.. my k45s psu died on me02:16
Macerthe fan did at least02:16
Macerthat thing sounded like shit right out the box tho02:16
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Macerwell.. let me suck it up and start shutting down this box02:17
Macerhopefully this will be the last time i ever have to do it.. but i'm pretty sure the fan in the other one will die soon enough also.. i think i will order another picopsu just in case02:17
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: fun, new kerenel to play with too?02:23
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: yeah, but i need to test it a little better02:23
r2d2rogerscool, working on testing the wirless now.02:24
r2d2rogerslooks like we're still geting diablo kernel modules right now though02:24
Stskeeps<3 the SD-to-MMCmobiley-adaptor02:24
lardman_night chaps02:24
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: got a 770 in hand?02:25
Stskeepsand a n800, took both along02:25
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r2d2rogerswhat sd -> MMC adapter are you using?02:26
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wazdStskeeps: ping?)02:37
wazdStskeeps: while drinkin friday beer I came up with idea bout Mer icons02:38
wazdStskeeps: pretty obvious but still pretty :)02:40
Stskeepshehe, maybe02:41
Stskeepsbetter than the current set..02:41
wazdbut still let's wait what Shutter77 will do)02:42
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Stskeepsyeah i guess02:43
wazdI think bubbles will be like Mer's business card :)02:43
r2d2rogersI'm not getting x working yet02:44
r2d2rogersfirst boot wizard worked fine though02:45
AkkiSandoes anybody use BT PAN with windoze?02:46
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Stskeepsfuck, caffeine overload O_o03:02
r2d2rogersnot good03:02
Stskeepsat a lan party.. i think it is obligatory03:02
Stskeepson the other hand i am having fun :P03:02
r2d2rogersstill trying to get X to run on Mer here, how's the party?03:02
StskeepsX worked for me, -but- it seemed like swapon isnt being run03:02
Stskeepsas in, with the 0.7 image03:03
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r2d2rogerslooks good here.03:04
r2d2rogerson swap anyhow03:04
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Stskeepsi'm playing around with 2.6.28 on 77003:06
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r2d2rogersshould auto-startx be K in rc5?03:08
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Stskeepsyeah, start and stop03:09
Stskeeps(S and K)03:09
r2d2rogersshouldn't it be S then?03:09
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Stskeepswell if you get f-b-w you definately got a-s too..03:18
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r2d2rogersI get the f-b-w once, then I just get dumped to colsole03:22
r2d2rogersstartx gets me:  X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.03:23
r2d2rogersthrough ssh03:23
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: hmm03:28
r2d2rogersedited /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to put anybody where it has console and I get X now.03:29
r2d2rogersbut I'm missing the localiaztion srtings03:29
GAN8001qwerty12_N800, ping?03:29
r2d2rogersStskeeps: in good news, power launch works nice now <G>03:31
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: woo03:32
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: tried modprobe cx3110x, ifconifg wlan0 up, restart NetworkManager, X dies03:45
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Macerhm.. anybody know the easiest way to batch encode mp4s to divx/xvid?03:58
Macersomething in X would be great as i really don't want to work on making batch encoding scripts anymore03:58
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daperlStskeeps, Thank you.  TMPDIR givin' me new life.04:03
GAN8001Macer, tablet-econde?04:03
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RockyDdhow to view the page source in microB?05:33
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daperlno viewing, you have to save the file05:35
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RockyDdok, got it thanks05:41
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* GAN800 's tablet is suddenly hemmoraging power.06:38
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matmoanyone know specs for N810 camera?06:41
timsamoffIt's VGA. But, what are you referring to?06:46
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matmopixmaps, rgb.yuv, framerate, that sort of stuff06:47
timsamoffFramerate is usually determined by hardware (if I'm not mistaken) and whichever settings the software is using at the time of capture. The N810's camera is fully capable of capturing at 30fps+ if it's got the hw to back it up.06:48
timsamoffI.e., the camera is just a lens. The hw and sw is what alters framerate.06:49
timsamoffThe VGA camera takes 800x600 pics.06:49
luke-jrusually "camera" includes hardware and software06:50
luke-jrand lens is hardware06:50
luke-jrpart of*06:50
luke-jrand lens also has no fps/dpi limits :p06:50
timsamoffRight, but if you were using the N810's camera via VNC to a desktop machine, you could capture real-time, no?06:50
timsamoff(But, of course, I'm not so technical in this area, so please correct me!) ;)06:51
matmoI'm more interested in pixel formats, resolutions and colour spaces supported via v4l206:51
matmoespecially if there is an existing util to dump this info06:52
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matmoset -x GST_DEBUG "*v4l2*:5"07:36
matmogst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src num-buffers=5 ! fakesink07:36
matmo...except it doesn't work :-( Seemingly an gstreamer error, patched but not on maemo yet07:37
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Macerok. how do i get ubuntu to start up /etc/init.d/ssh automatically?08:15
Macerthere like an rc-update or something? :)08:15
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Macerok.. that was 100 cool points.. i'll just pretend i didn't do that08:26
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croppaIs it possiable to setup maemo mapper to centre by default?08:42
croppaauto centre08:43
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Macerwelp. think i'm done here :008:50
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hahlocan one open tablet camera with mplayer?09:48
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* bman_ ponders09:49
bman_eichi that works at g?09:49
eichibman_, ?09:50
bman_you work at g09:50
eichiwtf is g09:50
bman_my bad09:50
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eichiis the n8x0 serie stopped from nokia?10:11
hahlopicture is not good, do i have wrong parameters? mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video0:brightness=70 -vo xv10:11
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neatojonesbman_:  How do I right click in ubuntu?10:14
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neatojonesI tried ctrl click, but it doesn't seem to be it.10:14
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qwerty12Nothing like a letter from the dentist saying "It's check-up time!" to start your day :)10:27
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aquatixmorning all11:01
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Stskeepsjesus, .. i remember how bad it hurts to sleep on a floor11:52
qwerty12lol... police didn't come while you were sleeping, then? :)11:53
Stskeepsnot sure why they would11:54
qwerty12Was thinking about the raids, maybe they reenacted the law when they got tipped off that a small lan party was going on:P11:55
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Stskeepsyeah, except torrent and such also ruined that and pervasive home connections11:55
* aquatix had a lan party just a few weeks ago11:58
aquatixbut that was more nerding together than swapping files or even gaming11:58
Stskeepsyeah.. it is similar to that these days11:58
qwerty12What did you want to ping me about btw?11:58
Stskeepsi honestly do not remember right now11:59
qwerty12haha, lol11:59
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Stskeepsi am however trying to boot a 2.6.28 on 77011:59
Stskeepstrying to get it to kick the watchdogs at the moment though12:01
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RST38hmoo, all12:20
qwerty12'ello RST38h12:20
RST38hhow are things? =)12:21
thopiekaryukop4 are you there?12:24
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thopiekarjeremiah: there?12:32
thopiekarmoin gnuton :)12:32
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thopiekarjeremiah: I will come online again at 12:30 ( now: 11:34 ) ... cu :)12:34
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udovdhwhich app can you recommend for using the camera of the n810?12:37
udovdhmotion? :-)12:37
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RST38hudovdh: there is an app called Camera in Extras12:43
udovdhaha. makes a camera of n810?12:43
udovdhlike a `normal` photo cam?12:43
Corsacmore like a webcam12:44
mavhcstill or video/12:44
udovdhI only find GPS-Camera on the site12:45
udovdhbut I will try Camera out12:45
mavhcand "video camera" for video iirc12:45
udovdhit appears I just succeeded in building navit for n810 using OE12:45
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yukop4streamripper help needed13:04
yukop4thopiekar ready to chat about streamripper13:07
aquatixready, steady, chat!13:09
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yukop4ok thopiekar how do i load the app onto my n81013:22
yukop4[streamripper] - now in extras13:25
yukop4anyone know how to get these files onto the n810-the forum is [streamripper] - now in extras13:27
yukop4it was posted by thopiekar on internet tablet talk forum13:28
olihey, my friend wants to buy broken n810 for ~60 eur, owner says it booted to nokia logo, and after few days it stopped to respond on switch-on. he didn't plug in the charger. should he buy it? :)13:28
yukop4tell him to freeze it for a day and microwave it for 60 seconds -works for me13:32
mavhcI just put mine in the fridge for a few hours, then it worked13:33
mavhcweirdest bug ever13:33
t_s_othere are times i wish the file manager had a "copy to" option, just like it has a "move to", as i find myself copying files more often then moving them...13:35
yukop4have a look at this-[streamripper] - now in extras-on internet tablet talk-can you work out how to get the app downloaded13:38
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yukop4hi qwerty12 can u help with this13:39
yukop4thopiekar has uploaded streamripper and i cannot work out how to get the files onto my n810-see my above post13:41
Stskeepsoli: yeah, if it shows nokia logo you can usually rescue it13:41
Stskeeps(i had same problem)13:41
qwerty12yukop4, I don't know about his streamripper packages, I don't use them.13:41
Stskeepsleave the battery out to drain and perhaps use another battery to flash to a recent NOLO13:41
yukop4ok thanks -it was on a forum on internet tablet talk-[streamripper] - now in extras13:42
Stskeepsheh, funny fact about 770, it sets fb_update_mode to 'disabled' when screen turns off13:42
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oliStskeeps: but now it doesn't switch on -IMO the battery is out, can it be charged into that nokia?13:45
Stskeepsoli: you have a n8x0 of your own / battery?13:47
oliStskeeps: anyway, 250pln -> 52 eur ;d is not really much for n810 so he'll buy it13:47
oliStskeeps: yes13:47
Stskeepswhat i did was to leave the battery out for 24 hours, flashed the N810 itself with the newest firmware using another battery13:47
Stskeepsand then putting it in charger13:48
oliStskeeps: ok thanx, we'll try.13:50
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yukop4ok yukp4 here13:57
thopiekaryukop4: hi13:57
thopiekarthe packages are in the extras-devel repo13:58
yukop4hi-appreciate it the time -what steps do i take13:58
thopiekarhave you the repo in your program manager?13:58
thopiekargood so install streamripper13:58
yukop4when you say install it-i have about 11 files to install13:59
thopiekarhmm could be... whats the size of all?14:00
yukop4hang on14:00
yukop41.07 mb14:01
thopiekarshould be ok then..14:01
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thopiekarinstall it and check it out..14:01
* thopiekar 's tablet is at a repair shop, you know :)14:02
yukop4i download from your link with rar-then open there were 12 files14:03
thopiekaraah! I mean install streamripper with the packagemanager, program manager or how ever its called in english..14:04
thopiekarthe app with which you install apps and updates..14:04
yukop4tried that but would not work -willtry again now14:05
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thopiekarisn't streamripper in the list of apps?14:06
yukop4yes it is -i have streamripper already working with streamtuner-an older version-i thought yours would rip any radio streams14:07
thopiekarso check your application manager whether extras-devel is your application catalogues and then install/update streamripper..14:09
thopiekarthats the up-to-date version from ubuntu ported to maemo...14:09
thopiekarif it works just let me know to promote it to extras..14:09
yukop4what about all the lib... files do i need them14:09
thopiekarall dependences are on extras-devel.repo , too...14:10
thopiekareverything should work fine14:10
yukop4my present version of streamripper is 1.61.2714:11
thopiekarshould be1.63.5 i think..14:12
thopiekaryes 1.63.5-1maemo014:12
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yukop4i think i will wait till u have it in extras14:13
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thopiekaryes but it is in extras-devel and it has to be tested before I promote it for extras :)14:14
yukop4ok when i try to open it in app manager it says incompatible14:15
thopiekarthe deb? or have you choosed it from the list of installable apps?14:16
yukop4when i do install update window and look at details there is no kb,s14:16
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yukop4sorry it says available but not installable14:17
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yukop4could it be that i must first uninstall older version14:18
thopiekarthink so..14:18
thopiekarbut from where do you get it?14:18
yukop4i got it on internet tablet talk-forum announce streamripper14:19
* thopiekar is now looking for the thread..14:19
yukop4search for streamripper then look for 1.61.2714:21
thopiekardo you mean the deb from debernardis?14:21
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thopiekarit's not compiled under diablo it's compiled under bora which is very old..14:22
thopiekarhave you uninstalled it already?14:22
yukop4i know but it works for me somehow-perfectly14:23
yukop4but it only works with streamtuner-or maybe i cannot setup for other stations14:24
yukop4no i did not uninstall it yet14:24
thopiekarit is very simple to use it with the xterm..14:24
thopiekarusually with the xterm from the thread..14:25
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hahlocan i somehow increase ash history longer?14:25
yukop4i see but how do you go about it from xterm14:25
thopiekarjust type in " streamripper IP:PORT -d /path/where/to/store/the/files"14:26
thopiekarwhere -d is the destination14:26
thopiekarand IP:PORT the radio startion's stream14:26
thopiekarfor more information just type: streamripper --help14:27
thopiekarand you will get the info-page :)14:27
yukop4ok i am still new at this and 51 years old -will try it14:28
thopiekarhehe 51 old? doesn't matter i'm 17^^14:29
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yukop4so i download your xterm version onto the remov card and then search for help with xterm14:31
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thopiekaruch.. sounds confusingly.. have you already installed streamripper?14:32
papagajhi -- are there centralized API-s for storing Points of Interest (POI) and for accessing messages (like email, SMS and so on)?14:34
yukop4yes i have but how do you get to the help files14:34
papagajI mean something like address book API14:34
thopiekarjust open the regualar Xterminal..14:35
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thopiekarand type in "streamripper --help" (without the  " 's)14:36
yukop4i did -says cant parse options14:37
yukop4is there a soace after --14:38
thopiekarno space14:38
yukop4as in -- help14:38
thopiekarshould be "--help"...14:39
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thopiekari'm sorry its just "-h"14:39
yukop4wont work -piece of sh..14:39
yukop4will try14:40
thopiekarsee above :)14:40
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yukop4yes my man i got it...what now RTFM14:42
thopiekarnow you should make everything as explained in the iTT thread to use it with streamtuner..14:44
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thopiekarinstall xterm, which will allow us to use x-terminal-emulator..14:44
thopiekarxterm is available in extras-devel, too14:44
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yukop4i have emulator -just type in r on xterm14:45
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yukop4actually the problem for me is an amazing radio stream in australia called PBS 106.7-it is on the net but i cannot get it onto streamtuner so i can record it with stream ripper-that is what is driving me14:48
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* thopiekar is checking the radiostation for yukop414:50
thopiekaryukop4: ?14:51
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qwerty12_N800GAN8001: pong14:54
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yukop4yes that is the one -it has also archive where you can listen to the past year programs and it is ad free14:56
yukop4you can go to "on air now" or "radio on demand" for which you register for free14:59
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thopiekarhmm.. I tried out "streamripper -d /whatever/../.. mms://".. but it doesn't work as fine as it thought.. you should keep on shoutcast tunes or try it out for your self.. maybe the stream is just lagging here in europe :)15:01
thopiekarjust type in "streamripper -d ~/.MyDocs/.sounds/ mms://" to rip into the music folder of your device..15:02
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yukop4yeah i tried every which way but no luck-the station is close by so i might go there and see if i can get help--anyway thank you for your assistance15:05
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thopiekaryukop4: no problem :)15:08
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* thopiekar is promoting streamripper to extras..15:09
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thopiekarjeremiah: there?15:18
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* lcuk needs more tissues15:46
* qwerty12_N800 passes lcuk the box of kleenex 15:47
lcuki just wonder why they dont make bacon scented ones15:48
lcukmind you, then it would become a food source15:48
lcukwhatya up to qwerty12_N80015:48
lcukbein lazy or building stuffs15:48
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qwerty12_N800nothing much, bein lazy to use  your words :p15:49
lcukmy words do not translate onto the internet15:50
lcuki havent got a keyboard with a sheep symbol15:50
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arty_nameHello! How can I make buttons in unlock dialog larger?15:52
lcukarty_name, yes, use the macro zoom function.  move the n8x0 closer to your face.15:53
arty_namelcuk, unfortunately that won't make my fingertips smaller :p15:53
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lcukhave you never heard of a pencil sharpener?15:54
lcukits a bit messy, but gets the job done15:54
lcukobviously, i do agree with you about all dialog buttons15:55
lcukim not sure if gtk themes allow the size of buttons to be changed15:55
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arty_nameI had idea of hacking or recompiling some binary which locks the screen15:57
qwerty12_N800closed source :/16:00
Stskeepsuse powerlaunch instead16:01
Stskeepsthat part is hackable16:01
arty_namepowerlaunch has its own screen lock?16:02
t_s_oit basically takes over the whole power button interface...16:06
* Stskeeps is surprised his 770 hasn't wsoded on him yet.16:09
arty_nameI'm reading about it right now... Need to investigate it deeper16:09
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arty_nameThanks everyone!16:09
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t_s_oStskeeps: us or european variant? somehow i suspect the faulty ones where mostly a production run aimed at the us market16:11
Stskeepst_s_o: EU i think16:12
Stskeepsi am actually not sure16:12
Stskeepsi got it from a dane16:12
Stskeepst_s_o: i have 2.6.28 booting on it and trying to get umac.ko running. might actually have a shot :P16:13
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t_s_oStskeeps: if it allows more then 11 channels then its a eu model, as it seems that usa and canada only have 11 wifi channels...16:15
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t_s_oand these things needs to be closely controlled to get past regulations16:15
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qwerty12_N800'osso-product-info' as root will tell you16:16
* thopiekar is now a|f|k16:17
Meizirkkipowerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything form diablo update repo16:17
infobot_Meizirkki meant: powerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything from diablo update repo16:17
lcukMeizirkki, its an even more impressive feat if you can unlock it again afterwards :P16:18
qwerty12_N800it's not meant to need anything from there16:18
* lcuk knows of many programs that can lock up n81016:18
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qwerty12_N800lcuk: indeed, in mer, on a N800, powerlaunch wouldn't believe i was pressing my enter key so I worked around it by unlocking when the power button was pressed :/16:19
lcukthe sheer number of things this tiny device can do never ceases to amaze me :)16:20
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t_s_omostly it comes from having a hackable firmware16:22
Stskeepsnow i am terrified16:23
Stskeepscx3110x actually loaded + umac16:23
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lcukt_s_o, no matter the hardware if it wasnt for the people trying we wouldnt see such things :)16:24
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t_s_olcuk: true, tho i think its two sides of a coin, a device one can play around with, and the people thats interested in playing. and maybe also that the mother corp do not try to actively fight off said playing, and at times even join in16:33
MeizirkkiStskeeps: cx3110x working on 770 with 2.6.28 ??16:33
lcukyeah :)16:34
StskeepsMeizirkki: well, working is much to be said..16:34
Stskeepsit loads it..16:34
Stskeepsanyone with OS2008HE around?16:35
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qwerty12_N800hacker edition, for 77016:36
t_s_ohmm, is it me or have iphone cracking stopped dead after said phone got a global launch and apple got the app store going?16:36
CorsacStskeeps: I nearly managed to get maemo working under qemu16:36
Corsacbut then it stops there16:36
Corsac(it already quite long)16:37
Corsacso maybe it wasn't stopped16:37
Corsacproblem is that, if I leave the workspace, the qemu window becomes black and there's no way to bring it back16:37
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Stskeepshow do i force gcc to build for old ABI? (not SYSV, but ARM)16:47
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inzSts, get a gcc that does that?16:56
Stskeepsinz: well i have gotten cx3110x going but the kernel modules conflict cos the build i've made does SYSV, not ARM (EABI v0 vs EABI v4)16:57
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Stskeepsand the 770 (os2007he) kernel modules are ARM16:57
Stskeeps(i have ported cx3110x driver to later kernels.)16:58
inzStskeeps, I would guess some of the scracthbox toolchains would be that16:58
inzStskeeps, which, I dunno16:58
matanStskeeps: did you use the exact same compiler (and compiler options) for kernel and modules? same ABI is not enough.17:02
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Stskeepsmatan: aye.. well, the strange thing i am doing is that i may have a way to load umac.ko from 770 in a modern kernel.17:05
Stskeepsumac.ko is however non-EABI, and the initial OS2007HE kernel is non-EABI (compiled, but supports EABI applications)17:05
Stskeepsso i would like to build my kernel using that17:06
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suihkulokkiiirc the only way to make a kernel compatible with the 770 propiertary kernel module is to use the same gcc version17:07
Stskeepsfrightening thing though h: i got n800s umac.ko to load17:08
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GAN8001qwerty12_N800, where's my source packages? :P17:18
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qwerty12_N800GAN8001: Fixed the stuff I told you to fix? :P17:19
GAN8001qwerty12_N800, nah, that's why you're here.17:19
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qwerty12_N800GAN8001: Maybe in an hour then, I'm on the tablet ATM.17:20
GAN8001lcuk, it's a Chinook/Diablo thing.17:23
GAN8001lcuk, those packages are in Chinook Extras but not Diablo Extras.17:23
* b-man is getting frustrated, the reprepro repository management software he has installed keeps erroring out when he trys to upload a package to his ubuntu-n8x0 repository - "Error: Distribution alpha contains an architecture called 'all'." >:(17:36
b-mani haven't had this problem before :(17:37
StskeepsbÃ-man: ignore the error17:39
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b-manStskeeps: it's not uploading to the repo though17:45
Stskeepswell remove 'allÃ' from the distributions thing then17:46
Stskeepslook at my conf files maybe17:46
Stskeepsthey are public17:46
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* Stskeeps tries out OS2008HE17:49
qwerty12X-Fade, debianutils in extras seems to be breaking a couple of builds17:52
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wazd_n800lo all)17:53
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Stskeepslo wazd17:53
wazd_n800While my metro ride I came up with cool ui idea17:55
wazd_n800But I forgot it(17:55
Stskeepshehe, hate when that happens17:55
Stskeepsyou have some brilliant idea and then your eyes catch some beautiful woman..17:56
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lcukcarry it, write it, remember it17:58
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* b-man is going to go crazy; now reprepro errors out because 'all' is not in the config file, even after running reprepro clearvanished17:59
lcukall hasnt vanished :P18:00
wazd_n800lcuk: you're a real liq-addict you know xD18:00
lcukwazd_n800, its available instantly and does what i want without messing so why shouldnt i be :P18:00
lcukim only changing it now so if you dont like the way it works it can be altered to your tastes :)18:01
lcukand it looks pretty :P18:01
wazd_n800lcuk: nevermind xD18:02
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lcukhow are you anyway wazd_n80018:03
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wazd_n800lcuk: riding the train to my country18:03
lcukcrap i shouldnt try singing, my throat still hurts18:03
lcukcool, are you inside the train or ontop of it bond style :D18:04
wazd_n800lcuk: 2nd :P18:04
wazd_n800lcuk: India-style))18:04
lcukheh, somehow i cant see it working at your latitude, you would be frozen solid18:05
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, btw, can you find the link to my bubble-icons?)18:08
wazd_n800lcuk: true)18:08
wazd_n800Stskeeps, i've lost it (18:08
lcukwazd, with any of these ui bits you make, do them as transparent pngs at a reasonable resolution and ill try them out for size in liqbase :)18:09
qwerty12wazd_n800, ?18:09
wazd_n800lcuk: liqbase needs different ui, it's not an OS)18:11
wazd_n800lcuk: I can try to make someting for it, with better feature usage)18:13
wazd_n800qwerty12, yeah, thanks a lot)18:13
lcukok, but so far jaffas buttons look wicked :)18:14
lcukwas just thinking about other shapes18:14
zenvoidHello people, good news: Dave Sparks confirmed to me that all alarms and ringtones included in the Android platform are free under Apache 2.0 license18:18
zenvoidI can make a package18:19
wazd_n800zenvoid: hello18:19
zenvoidnow we have alarms for the clock, but there is no clock app ;-)18:19
* b-man gives up, it looks like i'll just have to re-build the entire repository.... AGAIN X(18:20
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zenvoidI've taken the sounds from android sources and placed them here:
zenvoidhello wazd :)18:21
qwerty12Any gunshot ones there? :)18:22
zenvoidalso I was thinking to port osso-chess to Mer, is somebody trying to port it?18:23
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Stskeepszenvoid: lo, and no, but good luck - you need hildon-games-wrapper (i think)18:25
Stskeepsand sounds good about android platform18:25
zenvoidosso-chess user interface sources are free, but graphics and sounds are not. I will make the sounds and the graphics for chess pieces18:26
zenvoidmaybe I will need some help from wazd for buttons18:26
wazd_n800zenvoid, make'em underwater :)18:26
zenvoidwazd_n800: the chess pieces???18:27
wazd_n800zenvoid, yep :)18:27
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Stskeepsor with fish, dolphins, sea creatures ;P18:28
wazd_n800zenvoid, why not?)18:29
zenvoidwazd_n800: my skills with graphics are limited, I was thinking to take the pieces from other free chess programs18:29
thopiekarhow would you call a thread in ITT to collect missing apps of the users in it... "[collecting thread] - What apps do you need"?18:29
Stskeepsthopiekar: there is a thread like that right now18:30
thopiekarhuch.. url?18:30
Stskeepsthopiekar: and i would say wishlist18:30
wazd_n800zenvoid: I can help with graphics)18:30
zenvoidwazd_n800: good!!!18:30
wazd_n800thopiekar, simpsons did it)18:30
Stskeepsthopiekar: the what ports/apps one18:30
* thopiekar is interested in porting simple apps..18:31
wazd_n800"what apps do we need on new tablets??????" - like that18:31
timelesshello cat18:31
* wazd_n800 thinks we need new tablets first)18:32
wazd_n800timeless, hey18:32
wazd_n800timeless, I have a small suggestion for US_en locale18:33
thopiekarwazd_n800: "what apps do we need on new tablets" wasn't really helpful..18:33
timelesswazd: i'm listening18:33
Stskeepsoh. we need en_SU. Ã :P 'in soviet union, application uninstalls you!')18:33
timelesscould someone please yell at that reporter? :(18:33
wazd_n800timeless, for battery status display, I think it's better to write "1 hour of use" instead of "one hour of use"18:34
timelesswazd: oh, you're one of those18:35
* timeless sighs18:35
* timeless likes words18:35
timelessit'll be changed in the next push18:35
Stskeepsscreen estate? :P18:35
wazd_n800timeless, well, people catch numbers automaticaly, without reading18:36
wazd_n800timeless, when you have numbers for all hours and suddenly a word for "1" - it's confusing)18:37
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RST38hmoo wazd, moo all18:40
wazd_n800RST38h, hola)18:40
* timeless pokes jeremiah18:41
GAN800timeless, I was considering it but just didn't have the energy.18:41
GAN800jeremiah, s/maemo/Maemo/g ;)18:42
qwerty12Hey, he followed the template right? =)18:42
RST38hGAN <-- really persistent about that M letter18:43
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GAN800RST38h, I hoping everybody will notice so I can stop being so. ;)18:44
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timelessrst: i'd normally poke people about the spelling of M18:45
timelessbut since GAN is doing it instead, i'm leaving it for him :)18:45
timelesscurrently i'm trying to poke someone @FN about the spelling of 'f'18:45
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wazd_n800"Fn" I guess18:46
* timeless tries to remember if avs is in HEL proper18:46
timelesswazd: actually, no, 'Fund'18:46
wazd_n800timeless, I thought it's about button, sorry)18:47
wazd_n800ok, my trainstop, cya in an hour guys18:48
timeless... Open Screen Project fund ...18:49
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timeless... Open Screen Project Fund ...18:49
timelessso, how does one write 'f'? :(18:49
aquatixwith a small dash?18:50
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* aquatix is not sure what timeless is on about :)18:50
timelessaquatix: remember that gan cares about Maemo (Software) and maemo.org18:50
timelessImagine there was a group 'Forum Nokia'18:50
timelesswhich half the time wrote 'Forum nokia'18:50
timelessspelling counts18:50
timelessespecially for the name of proper nouns18:51
timelessexcept in this blasted country18:51
timelesswhere they don't understand that proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized18:51
aquatixoh, you mean whether to write fund with F or f?18:51
timelesssorry, [bee in bonet], ...18:51
aquatixdepends whether `fund' is included in the name18:51
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aquatixor that it is the `Open Screen Project' fund18:52
infobot_timeless meant: sorry, [bee inn bonet], ...18:52
infobot_timeless meant: sorry, [bee in bonnet], ...18:52
timelessaquatix: yeah well, one would hope that *they* in announcing the stupid thing would actually know18:52
timelessand get it right18:52
aquatixthey do it consitently with lowercase f18:53
aquatixin that pasted article they do18:53
timelessuse a better 'find'18:53
aquatixTo apply for funding, visit the Open Screen Project Fund website.18:54
timelessline 4818:54
timelessbtw, there's a PR from Adobe too18:55
timelessthey have no clue either18:55
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timelessi'm still 99% certain it was written by someone in the Finnish Nokia side18:56
timelessbecause it isn't American English18:56
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Macerthink i am going to have to put xp on the artigo19:00
Macermostly because the damn skype phones i got require a windows computer.. i thought they came with a dect routing base but don't!19:01
Macerwhat a load of shit :) i knew $50 was too good to be true19:01
Macerthey work really well though19:01
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Macerit's nice to have this slim burner in this shuttle box now19:09
Macerk45 kicks ass.. k48 sucks compared to it19:09
Maceri mean cmon.. no pci slot? :) wtf were they thinking.. i guess they didn't want to pull business away from the k4519:09
thopiekaris there a way to remove own threads on itt...19:11
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thopiekarI created the wishlist but after 30 of searching I found the thread of VDVsx ^^19:12
lcukhey, this is linux, people have the choice about which wishlist they might want to post to!19:13
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thopiekar:D isn't there a way to remove the thread... I don't want to spam the forum with it now...19:14
lcukheh, you will cringe everytime someone adds something to it!19:15
zenvoidosso-chess is shit19:16
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zenvoidthopiekar: yes, I think it will be much better19:16
zenvoidtrying to port osso-chess is a waste of time19:17
zenvoidthopiekar: ah, good point, add pychess to the list of apps ;-)19:18
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thopiekaryes I don't think it's difficult to port..19:18
qwerty12porting != building19:19
qwerty12porting pychess would be hildonizing it19:19
lcukosso is already done19:19
thopiekarsryx qwerty12 :)19:19
zenvoidlcuk: but osso-chess is very limited19:19
lcukthopiekar, someone replied :P19:19
lcukzenvoid, its chess?19:19
thopiekarI will try it after I'm finished with pulseaudio or even with my nervs working on it..19:20
lcukmove that piece to there, we could get some cgi on it, but the basic thing doesnt change19:20
thopiekarhaha nice one lcuk :D19:20
qwerty12I may bring the "ossoized" version of lmarbles to Mer, rather do like that game...19:21
zenvoidbut it can't save games, sometimes can be very long, and if you run out of battery and close the app, the game is lost19:21
lcuktracy likes mahjong19:21
lcukthopiekar, vdvsx didn't post a suggestion in your thread19:23
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thopiekarhi VDVsx :)19:24
qwerty12lcuk, - what are you waiting for, you're the coder ;)19:24
thopiekarwe have been talking about you :)19:24
VDVsxthopiekar, good or bad ?19:25
lcukyou didnt post a suggestion of your own in the thread :P19:25
zenvoidthopiekar: I also miss two things from my Palm OS PDA: PalmaryClock and the PIM software. I would love to replace my Palm with the N81019:25
lcukwouldn't it get sticky?19:26
thopiekarzenvoid: are they available in the linux scene?19:26
zenvoidthopiekar: no, that the problem :(19:26
thopiekarhmm :|19:26
thopiekarVDVsx: do you know how to remove threads from itt?19:27
thopiekarlike duplicates..19:27
lcukthopiekar, dont worry, its a bit of a laugh19:28
VDVsxthopiekar, I think isn't possible, if you have more than 1 post19:28
thopiekarI started one and I noticed it as a duplicate one after 30mins19:28
thopiekarlcuk !!!19:28
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thopiekarlcuk: ok then *g*19:28
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qwerty12~lart Werror19:34
* infobot_ executes killall -KILL Werror19:34
qwerty12Fuckers... Nokia's lmarbles depends on osso-graphics-game-lmarbles which is nokia's gfx. I'll have to make my own osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package with original lmarbles graphics.19:39
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lcukqwerty12, or you can ask for it to be opened up :)19:40
thopiekarqwerty12: closed?19:40
zenvoidqwerty12: yes, the same with osso chess and mahjong19:40
thopiekaromg who thinks nokia would steal this "useful" code to make money.. -.-'19:41
qwerty12lcuk, not worth waiting, I can just make my own clone of osso-graphics-game-lmarbles with the original graphics by the lmarbles people. Not as flashy but works :)19:41
zenvoidqwerty12: I can help you with the sounds if you want19:41
lcuk*nod* i understand that19:41
qwerty12zenvoid, that would be nice :). apart from saying random things in a microphone, I can't do much with sound at all :)19:42
lcukpaging doctor wazd, theres a package reuiring your assistance ;)19:42
lcukqwerty12, those ball icons he made earlier could be used19:43
zenvoidso you play with the icons XDDD19:43
qwerty12Yeah, so far I'll just use the original stuff just to get it "out there" but I will definitely be happy to accept replacements once I've got the packaging done and the game actually running :)19:44
qwerty12oddly, nokia's osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package doesn't have a copyright file inside it. I know I can't use them (no copyright != public domain) but still odd19:46
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timelessif someone's going to fix lmarbles19:52
timelesscould they please do it in a way that people who are colorblind can use lmarbles? :)19:52
timelessoh, speaking of chess19:52
timelessthe older releases of chess for maemo had more features19:52
timelesssadly, among the features was some amusing deadlocks19:53
timelessso they removed the features19:53
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zenvoidtimeless: interesting way to fix bugs :D19:54
qwerty12libtool, under mer's sbox sdk, is gonna need fixing so it produces an object file first, I'm getting "undefined reference to `main`".19:55
timelesszenvoid: yeah well19:55
timelessthe other way as evidenced friday...19:55
timelesswas to pass the bug through a dozen people w/ zero understanding of the problem19:55
timelessuntil someone said "not my problem, wontifx"19:56
thopiekar/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory19:58
thopiekar-> reinstalling sb1 then?19:58
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zenvoidthopiekar: hmmm... should be included in debconf package, I think20:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: libtool2 and maemo is unhappy together20:03
thopiekarlibtool2 is even outdated Stskeeps...20:03
qwerty12Stskeeps, bollocks, got an example fix? I'll adapt it to lmarbles sometime20:03
thopiekarlike the rest of the sdk :D20:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: does it try to do maemo launcher stuff or?20:04
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Stskeepsthopiekar: wtf, libtool2 isn't outdated20:04
qwerty12Stskeeps, actually, fuck osso-lmarbles, I just looked more closely: non-free/misc. Fucking Nokia.20:05
thopiekarok libltld2 ^^20:05
thopiekara part of libtool..20:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: lovely20:05
qwerty12I don't know how they can call it closed as it's just basically a wrapper around lmarbles20:05
Stskeepswell, what does the copyright folder say?20:06
qwerty12Copyright:\nCopyright (c) 2004, 2005 Nokia Corporation.20:06
zenvoidqwerty12: ????? the engine should be free20:06
Stskeepsi just had a former 770 user come by at this LAN party and talk about how he only used it too play mahjong..20:06
qwerty12zenvoid, they've put it in the non-free section but the COPYING file says it's GPL220:06
qwerty12fuck me, i'm confused.20:06
qwerty12zenvoid, look at debian/control & debian/copyright. The copying file contradicts it though20:07
zenvoidyes, I see20:08
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qwerty12Do nokia get anything right?20:08
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zenvoidqwerty12: it seems that the copyright file is copied from other package20:08
zenvoidit should be fixed20:08
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Stskeepsfile a bug..20:08
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zenvoidand it looks that it is not the only one... other GPL packages seem to have the same copyright file inside20:09
qwerty12The package is quite odd actually, god knows why it depends on the ke-recv strings20:09
zenvoidprobably because someone copied the skel of other package to be used a a base :D20:10
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qwerty12Yeah, lazy people :D20:10
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zenvoidwell... maybe the copyright file is for build scripts (debian/*)20:13
zenvoidbut it is a bug anyways, they should also be free20:13
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zenvoid... uhmm... well, I don't know, fucking nokia too :P20:15
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wazd_n800I'm back20:19
b-manhello wazd :)20:20
jjardonhello, will maemo sdk+(Scratchbox2) replace maemo sdk (Scratchbox1) in frematle?20:20
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thopiekarhmm does anyone know why this happend?20:21
thopiekarjjardon: don't think so..20:21
jjardonand in future releases?20:22
jjardonCan i develop with sdk+ for diablo?20:23
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* thopiekar is a sb1 user, who tried sb2 but wasn't really attired in it :D20:24
zenvoidjjardon: I also prefer sb2, but currently it has some bugs that make many programs fail to compile20:24
zenvoidsometimes rm -r enters an infinite loops that eat all cpu and memory until the oom killer appears20:25
jjardonI'm starting and I would want to learn only one dev environment ;-), so I've installed sb220:27
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b-mansomeone was using my username  0o20:29
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thopiekarb-man: omg^^20:29
Stskeepsthat isn't you? :P20:29
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thopiekarStskeeps: your guess?
sandeldoes anyone know how to configure eclipse in order to compile a qt application as in armel target?20:31
thopiekarsandel:  1. no 2. yes20:31
thopiekarusually you would use qt with c++ or python...20:32
sandelit's a qt application20:32
sandela project in eclipse20:32
thopiekarhave you a plugin for it? for qt?20:33
sandelbut I want to compile it from eclipse using armel or x86 target20:33
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sandeli have that qt integration plugin installed in eclipse20:34
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thopiekarwow should be added in my project easy-sdk... :P20:34
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thopiekarif you use the plugin in which language have you to code..20:35
sandeli'm using c++ with qt20:35
thopiekaryou have to install esbox then..20:35
thopiekarand cdt20:35
sandeli also have installed that esbox20:35
sandeland cdt20:35
thopiekaron 3.3 europa?20:36
sandelbut when i choose to make a maemo application20:36
sandelfor 86 or armel target20:36
sandeli canot compile a qt application20:36
sandeleuropa winter20:36
thopiekaryou should create a esbox-project and create a qt-project "over it".. create the build env and there you go :P20:38
thopiekarshould work..20:38
sandelexactly that is the thing i can't make20:39
sandelcreate the build environment20:39
thopiekarhave you configured your sb1 well?20:41
thopiekarinstalled sb1 with the script and maemo diablo, too?20:41
sandelit's configured20:41
thopiekarhave you installed all qt packages on the target?20:41
sandelfor x86 and armel both20:42
sandelis it necesarry to create a new target?20:42
thopiekarhmm have you configured esbox in eclipse, too?20:42
sandelit's configured20:43
thopiekarare you using linux?20:43
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sandeli have scratchbox installed under ubuntu 8.1020:44
sandelif I create an esbox project and then a qt project over it20:45
sandelmust I delete the sources before adding the qt project?20:46
thopiekaropen a terminal and type in which java..20:46
thopiekarI'm not sure but it could be that you are using gcj which makes eclipse buggy20:47
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thopiekarexcuse me.. type in " sudo update-alternatives --config java " .. and write back which java is marked..20:50
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sandelit says there is nothing to configure20:54
thopiekar:| don't know whats the problem then..20:55
thopiekarbut you are not using eclipse from apt.. right?20:55
sandelI tried to make an esbox project and then add a qt project20:55
sandelbut there are 2 different perspectives here20:56
sandelso no success20:56
thopiekarI think you have to switch between them too20:56
infobot_thopiekar meant: I think you have to switch between them two20:56
sandelyes but if a switch it makes two projects20:57
sandelinstead of one20:57
thopiekarchoose the cdt perspective and make env with it..20:57
sandelcan you help me set up this env?20:59
thopiekarhmm I'm not really familar with the qt-plugin so I can't help you20:59
thopiekarwhats the url for the plugin?20:59
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thopiekarI could try it..20:59
jeremiahthopiekar: It looks like you uploaded a package called debianutils yesterday?21:00
thopiekarjeremiah: possible...21:00
jeremiahthopiekar: It is causing breakage of other people's builds21:00
thopiekar;( shit21:00
jeremiahDo you have an older version?21:01
jeremiahOr a working version?21:01
thopiekarof what?21:01
jeremiahof: debianutils_2.29maemo2_armel.deb21:01
thopiekarhow is the path of apt's cache?21:02
jeremiahthopiekar: No big deal, I can replace it with one from diablo.21:02
thopiekarhuch.. I thought :P21:02
thopiekarI'm really wondering why it causes breakages..21:03
thopiekarI don't think that I have prepared the control-file much..21:03
thopiekaraah btw.. do you know why this happens:
sandelsorry but I have just one more question21:04
sandelusing only esbox plugin21:04
sandelhow can I compile qt code in it?21:05
thopiekarjeremiah: ?21:05
jeremiahHi, I will be back and forth here, trying to fix the autobuilder21:06
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thopiekarjeremiah: or do you mean xutils..21:14
jeremiahWell if you look at the bug report, people seem pretty convinced that it is
jeremiahthat got changed.21:15
chellithopiekar: why did you upload a newer version of the debianutils package at all?21:16
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thopiekarbecause I needed it for pulseaudio or something else..21:17
thopiekarsry man :| I should get in contact with jeremiah in future before uploading packages like that..21:18
* timeless pokes jeremiah21:18
chellithopiekar: are you shure that pulseaudio will not work with the older debianutils from diablo?21:18
timelessjeremiah: so... about tool chain upgrades21:19
timelessif you or someone else wants something upgraded21:19
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timelessthey need to ask *very* early21:19
timelessbecause any attempt to break the toolchain late is likely to break some app internally21:19
thopiekarI am currently rebuilding the sources from ubuntu (intrepid) and there was debhelper7 needed and this also needs a newer debianutils..21:19
jeremiahthopiekar: No big deal, these things happen.21:19
timelessand such a break being unacceptable would cause the toolchain upgrade to be bounced21:20
thopiekarI think the situation was like that..21:20
jeremiahtimeless: Well, I think we should make this kind of thing impossible.21:20
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timelessjeremiah: which thing?21:20
jeremiahtimeless: A random upload allowed to sabotage the build deamons.21:20
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timelessdid i miss something?21:21
timelessdid someone break the autobuilders? :)21:21
chellijeremiah: maybe it would be a good idea to force some kind of manual approvemen at least for packages which are maeked as essential (debianutils would be such a package) :)21:21
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timelessi meant a request to change the nokia infra :)21:21
jeremiahtimeless: I thought that was what you were referring to. :)21:21
jeremiahchelli: This sounds like an excellent idea. :)21:21
jeremiahchelli: I think we need to come up with some kind of QA assurance that is automated.21:22
timelessjeremiah: i meant something from your mailinglist21:22
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jeremiahBut this type of thing can happen.21:22
jeremiahtimeless: Oh! Yeah, that.21:22
chellijeremiah: or even further, replace the current upload queue handling with dak, afaik X-Fade already experimented with dak :)21:22
timelessjeremiah: however, this is a good example of why such a request needs to be done as i described :)21:22
jeremiahtimeless: I hope that was not taken as a criticism, I am just uncertain of the time scale I ought to expect.21:23
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timelessjeremiah: oh, *shrug*, i don't care21:23
timelessit's not my area21:23
timelessi'm just providing an explanation21:23
timelesscommercial systems can't move as fast21:24
jeremiahchelli: Yeah, X-Fade and I have been discussing dak.21:24
jeremiahtimeless: Yeah, from my experience inside Ericsson they were pretty slow.21:24
chellijeremiah: i also think that some automated qa-testing would be very good (the lintian package like you requested on maemo-developers would be a very good starting point)21:24
jeremiahchelli: I would like us all to modify it so it is more maemo specific, I think we can get some good packages that way.21:25
chellijeremiah: and i think that something like the Debian PTS would be great for maemo21:25
jeremiahchelli: Man, you read my mind. I have been thinking that too.21:25
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thopiekarjeremiah: don't foreget if you will modify the interface like that as discussed now... don't foreget to add two fields to fill out like in garage.. "Have you really talked about that with jeremiah?" and "Have you really really talked about that with jeremiah?" for people like me who don't know that this packages is so much important for the others..21:26
GAN800Throws some Maemo's around.21:26
GAN800 /me21:26
jeremiahthopiekar: heh.21:26
jeremiahI can't be the gatekeeper. :)21:27
jeremiahThis is something we all share anyway.21:27
jeremiahWe all just need to come up with ways to make sure that our automated build system stays healthy for users. :)21:27
GAN800Taser implants for all Extras uploaders.21:29
thopiekar .... any ideas?21:30
* Stskeeps uploads source for the 770 wifi experiment (didn't succeed at 2.6.28 :P)21:30
jeremiahGAN800: heh, some kind of electro-shock-over-ethernet. :)21:30
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chelliwe can introduce something like the "maemo blame game", simmiliar to what other projects are doing ( for an example) :)21:33
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jeremiahchelli: I'll have to look at that, Daniel is kind of a friend of mine so I doubt he would be too mean. :)21:37
jeremiahchelli: That is actually a really good idea. I will put it on my list.21:38
timelE61isPeaking of lists...21:42
* thopiekar is going to turn off his pc...21:46
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timelE61iwzad: you really want 1?21:48
* timelE61i kinda likes the difference21:49
timelE61iit hints that it's important21:49
timelE61iOh well21:49
timelE61iJeremiah: so... Uninstall path?21:50
timelE61iAlso, does dpkg divert handle upgrades?21:50
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timelE61iI.e. If i divert file a1 from pkg pA, and pA is upgraded, does the upgrade apply to the diversion?21:51
jeremiahtimelE61i: Ah, the old uninstall path. :)21:51
timelE61iSomeday it'll be an old friend21:52
jeremiahtimelE61i: I don't have an answer for you yet. :-/21:52
jeremiahBut I will get one.21:52
timelE61iToday, it's merely a shared nemesis21:52
jeremiahA sense of humor!21:52
timelE61iSearch your feelings ...21:53
jeremiahI have, and I am very scared and frightened.21:53
timelE61iThey're broadcasting the animated star wars here21:53
jeremiahYou finns really know how to live, we have hockey on TV21:53
jeremiahBut I like hockey. :)21:54
timelE61iWe're supposed to have one of the season openers here in HEL21:54
jeremiahtimelE61i: Yeah I saw that!21:54
timelE61iI need to figure out if i can go to the friday game21:54
timelE61iIt seems unlikely21:54
jeremiahWe are too, in Stockholm21:54
jeremiahThe Red Wings.21:54
jeremiahThe Red Wings are mostly Swedish anyway.21:55
timelE61iI think your matchup sounded beter21:55
infobot_timelE61i meant: I think your matchup sounded betterr21:55
jeremiahMy ketchup does sound batter.21:55
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timelE61iWhere did that extra 'r' come from?21:56
* timelE61i cries21:56
jeremiahBTW people, I think you can try to upload and autbuild stuff again, I did a hacky manual "fix".21:58
jeremiahHopefully that will hold for a while. :)21:58
timelE61iReplacement package?21:59
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jeremiahWell, not really a replacement, just pulled down an old one from
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timelE61iAnyone here use gizmo'22:12
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ezadkiel_mBis anyone here familiar with testing osso_hw_state_t?22:19
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* timelE61i sighs22:27
timelE61ithese strings suck22:27
timelE61iWazd: ping22:27
timelE61iOr gan, jaffa, someone :)22:28
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Stskeepslo slonopotamus22:36
slonopotamushi sts22:37
Stskeepshow's it going?22:37
* RST38h moss at Sts22:37
Stskeepsmoo RST38h22:38
slonopotamustired. spent some time profiling emerge (gentoo package  manager) results: +20% speedup. not enough, but good anyway.22:38
* Stskeeps has been doing 770 experiments with modern kernels22:39
Stskeepsactually made a compilable cx3110x for 2.6.28 and a insertable umac.ko but it didn't work that well :/22:39
slonopotamusmodern = not maemo 2.6.21?22:40
* RST38h has been digging into ARM assembly and found a few weird things22:40
Stskeepswell 2.6.21 would be modern for 770 too..22:40
RST38hVery non-obvious22:40
Stskeepsit is at 2.6.1622:40
ssvbRST38h: ?22:40
slonopotamusStskeeps, why do you need cx3110x? why not sltc?22:40
RST38hssvb: I have found a program that does MOV LR/BLL instead of BLH/BLL for example22:41
Stskeepsslonopotamus: no 770 support for stlc45xx22:41
Stskeepsit is a stlc4370 there so22:41
RST38hssvb: And also does LDM/STM with misaligned stack address22:41
slonopotamusRST38h, why do you need to dig arm assembly?22:42
RST38hslono: For various reasons.22:42
slonopotamusStskeeps, i packaged cx3110x, it compiles & works.22:42
Stskeepsslonopotamus: good22:43
ssvbRST38h: regarding LDM/STM, it is probably a bug in a program (unaligned int * pointer), and gcc just optimized loading of several variables22:43
RST38hmostly insuring compatibility22:43
slonopotamusStskeeps, so22:43
RST38hssvb: I have no idea what was used to compile the program but doubt it was gcc optimization22:43
RST38hssvb: In any case, LDM/STM seem to completely ignore lower two bits22:43
ssvbRST38h: that's a bit nasty because with the older kernels the process would get stuck on that LDM instruction constantly triggering exceptions22:43
slonopotamusStskeeps, so theoretically i have wifi, just heed to configure it & write docs.22:43
RST38hsvb: It may trigger exceptions on ARM9+22:44
ssvbRST38h: that's on ARM11, don't know about older cores22:44
RST38hssvb; My target was ARM7TDMI22:44
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RST38hssvb: No exceptions apparently, and not even a customary shift ARM does when accessing misaligned memory22:44
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ssvbRSt38h: this stuff is clearly explained in ARM manual22:45
* slonopotamus just used proper mtune and didn't bother with assembly :)22:45
RST38hssvb: If I remember correctly, it is marked as implementation dependent22:45
RST38hssvb: I.e. they say "we do it this way on this core, but it may change"22:46
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slonopotamusmy mum says that accessing misaligned memory is bad.22:47
RST38hWell, they did not ask me.22:47
slonopotamushehe. kidding. :)22:47
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ssvbRST38h: MOV LR, .. is also a normal instruction, actually it is often used as MOV LR, PC / MOV PC, Rx to make a call of function by pointer, reading PC also conveniently returns address of 2 instructions ahead (8 bytes delta)22:49
RST38hssvb: This is a little bit different22:53
RST38hssvb: We are talking THUMB, not proper ARM22:54
RST38hssvb: In THUMB, the "correct" way to call a function is BLH/BLL22:54
RST38hOR you can do MOVHI of course22:54
RST38hBut MOV LR / BLL is weird22:54
timelE61iSlonopotamus, can i trouble you to play w/ gizmo for 10mins?22:55
ssvbRST38h: ok, I never had to use THUMB myself so don't know much about it22:57
slonopotamustimelE61i, i need to install it?22:57
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Stskeeps'lo _BuBU23:01
timelE61iNot immediately23:02
timelE61iFirst you need to suffer through its install dialogs23:02
_BuBU'lo Stkkeeps23:02
* timelE61i doesn't like their text and needs to work out replacement language23:02
Stskeeps_BuBU: i put out pocket loox image along with Mer 0.8 release btw if you want to play (it doesn't have a correct theme for the resolution)23:03
timelE61ianyway, step one, tap apps, communicatiom, gizmo23:03
_BuBUok thx23:03
ssvbRST38h: I'm getting spoiled by the new better hardware, even ARM11 seems a bit too old for me :)23:03
_BuBUwill check it23:04
timelE61iYou should get a relatively harmless dialog asking if you want to install gizmo23:04
timelE61iIf at any time you find text objectionable, speak up23:04
slonopotamuswhen i click on gizmo, it says 'this software is not from Nokia. install Gizmo?'23:04
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slonopotamusi'm not sure i'm interested whose software it is.23:05
timelE61ihrm, that wasn't what i got...23:05
slonopotamustimelE61i, i'm translating what it says to me in russian :)23:05
timelE61iDo you already have whichever catalog it's using installed?23:05
timelE61iBecause i got an add catalog dialog23:06
timelE61iWhich i'm guessing would have come before your dialog23:06
RST38hssvb: I kinda don't care about the hardware age23:06
slonopotamustimelE61i, nope, catalogue question is next23:06
RST38hssvb: Actually, I would prefer it not to throw exceptions at misaligned accesses, as it would make my job easier :)23:06
timelE61iOh! Odd23:07
slonopotamustimelE61i, if i say yes on girst one, it opens app mgr, waits and asks if i want to add catalogue23:08
timelE61iSo.. Do you find the catalog question oddly worded?23:08
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timelE61iAdd catalog23:09
ssvbRST38h: I also don't care about the hardware age, but realistically speaking I somehow can't force myself to optimize SBC codec for ARMv6 for the last few weekends23:09
RST38hFrom the bug list:23:09
timelE61iIn order to install software from this source a catalog must be added. Add catalog now?23:09
timelE61iGizmo Catalogue23:09
RST38h1203 - Barbie Horse Adventures (E).gba  Barbie's horse has holes.23:10
slonopotamustoo many 'catalog' words23:10
timelE61islono: *nod*23:10
ssvbRST38h: lol23:11
RST38hssvb: Maybe you should first optimize for MIPS32v123:11
timelE61iSlono: also, "what's a source?"23:11
RST38hssvb: After that, you will see how plush ARMv6 is23:11
slonopotamustimelE61i, dunno :) and what 'this' soure?23:11
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timelE61idunno :)23:12
timelE61iGood, so, you see the problems23:12
timelE61iShall we try to fix it?23:12
slonopotamustimelE61i, i guess the same message is shown when you click on .install file that adds repo.23:12
timelE61i(it=the message / them=the problems)23:12
ssvbRST38h: well, I don't have any MIPS hardware anyway, but got another kind of "embedded" toy - playstation323:12
timelE61iSlono: i believe so23:13
RST38hssvb: That is PowerPC though23:13
timelE61iLast i checked, these installers basically launch a .install file23:13
RST38hNot exactly a low-end hardware23:13
ssvbPST38h: yes, plus a bunch of SPE cores which might be fun to hack23:13
slonopotamustimelE61i, it's ugly, but understandable. and passable with 'next,next,next' strategy23:14
RST38hThe whole thing was IBM's ploy to rob Sony of money23:14
RST38hAnd it worked beautifully!23:14
slonopotamusthere isn't word 'passable'?23:14
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timelE61iSlono: you'd be able to use the rhapsody remote w/ that strategy23:14
ssvbRST38h: well, "only" 256MB of memory and framebuffer based video output without any kind of HW acceleration (when running linux of course), this somewhat reminds embedded systems23:15
ssvbRST38h: so it is quite similar to internet tablets, which also have DSP core23:16
RST38hssvb: Real embedded systems only have red LEDs! =)23:16
ssvbRST38h: except that PS3 is quite hefty and eats a lot of power :)23:16
slonopotamustimelE61i, first dialog should better be something like 'in order to use Gizmo, it needs to be insstalled first. Continue?'23:17
RST38hHehe, Wing Commander works now23:17
RST38hssvb: BTW, PSP probably has a MIPS23:17
slonopotamusthat works if user already knows what gizmo is :)23:18
timelesshold on23:18
timelessbringing up my translation editor23:18
* Stskeeps still thinks Gizmo, Skype, should be in HAM instead.23:18
slonopotamuscrap. after adding repo it warns me _again_ that software was not created by nokia23:18
Stskeepssimilar with flash23:19
Stskeepsdon't even get me started on some of the bundled apps..23:19
slonopotamuswith big ugly appmgr banner23:19
Stskeepsand the fact they are mostly uninstallable :P23:20
timelessslono: yeah, i got that one23:20
qwerty12_N800slonopotamus: which is why I use patched ham w/out that message :)23:20
timelessodd that i didn't get the first one23:20
timelessqwerty: cheater23:20
* Stskeeps ponders idly why his 770 says it is charging without the charger being in..23:21
slonopotamustimeless, you get appmgr immediately when you click on gizmo icon?23:21
qwerty12_N800timeless: :p, it's a pita having to answer yes to the same question, this isn't windows! :)23:21
Stskeepsexcept if i have a magical fuel cell powered tablet..23:21
timelessslono: i got a do you want to install gizmo message23:22
timelessand then the you need to add repo23:22
timelessand then the this isn't nokia23:22
timelessbut i seem to be short one message23:22
* timeless feels cheated23:22
timelessor at least shorted23:22
slonopotamustimeless, third one is standard bbig appmgr warning23:22
* timeless nods23:23
timelessslono: but you'd agree it needs work?23:23
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slonopotamustimeless,  yep. i only want one confirmation asking me if i want to install it and warning me that i need internet connection.23:24
timelesssadly i can't delete dialogs23:25
timelesswould that i could23:25
timelessgizmo is stupid23:26
timelessthey have localizations for de, es, fr, it, and pt, but not en23:26
slonopotamus00:27 here. i probably should go to bed :) wife is sleeping already23:27
slonopotamusok, after 3 OKs it says gizmo is installed (one more OK). now i have to close appmgr manually and pick gizmo from menu once more.23:30
timelE61i"To install this software, the %s catalog must be added.\n23:32
timelE61iAdd now?"23:32
timelE61iSound better?23:32
slonopotamusincredible usability23:32
slonopotamustimelE61i, much better23:32
timelE61iOk sleep well23:32
timelE61iWe can fight gizmo itself tomorrow23:32
slonopotamuswill it become 'Gizmo Catalogue catalog'?23:33
* timelE61i cries23:33
timelE61i"To install this software, a catalog must be added.\n23:34
timelE61iAdd now?\n23:34
slonopotamusbtw. wtf with this catalog/catalogue stuff?23:34
timelE61iUk v us23:34
timelE61ithe brits like ue's all over23:34
timelE61iThe americans aren't so wasteful23:35
slonopotamusare you sure anyone interested in catalog name at all? :)23:35
qwerty12_N800(real english v fake english a.k.a us english)23:35
timelE61iAnd the idiots who designed the app didn't consult anyone before picking the terms23:35
timelE61iOr they managed to consult someone who was totally ignorant23:36
timelE61islono: there's a details button23:36
timelE61iI can omit %s23:36
slonopotamustimelE61i, that message won't work when user just clicks .install that adds catalog.23:36
slonopotamusno 'this software' in that case23:37
timelE61iA .install file need not simply install software?23:37
* timelE61i nods23:37
slonopotamus.install file can just add catalog andd same message is used23:37
* timelE61i sighs23:38
timelE61iyeah yeah23:38
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* timelE61i will file a bug23:38
timelE61ia message must only apply to a single context23:38
slonopotamustimelE61i, try .install file with multiple catalogs :) it gives this message for each of them23:39
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timelE61iOk... So how the heck do i fix this message given it's broken by design?23:39
timelE61iOh nice23:39
slonopotamustimelE61i, 'To install additional software, the %s catalog must be added.\nAdd now?' and remove 'Catalogue' from gizmo .install file23:42
slonopotamushowever that really should be two separate messages23:43
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slonopotamuswhen you just add catalog and when you install software that needs catalog to be able to be installed.23:43
timelE61iSlono: yes, yes, thanks, good night23:45
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