| jaem | very, *very* carefully | 00:00 |
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| Macer | well.. the gui install of kubuntu is running on the thing.. so it can't be all that bad | 00:00 |
| jaem | try ArchLinux :P | 00:00 |
| jaem | it would be a lot slimmer, esp with KDE | 00:00 |
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| jaem | *buntu isn't that bad, but compared to Arch, it seems bloated | 00:01 |
| Macer | jaem: but it is an easy install.. was going to use gentoo on it but just want to see what it can do first | 00:01 |
| jaem | macer: I've heard Arch called "Gentoo without the Gentoo", but it's not that bad | 00:02 |
| jaem | it takes a git of work to set up, but their goal is simplicity (as in technical elegance, not newbie-friendliness), so if you know Linux well, it's no big deal | 00:02 |
| Macer | heh.. well.. i want to see if this thing can run kde4 | 00:02 |
| jaem | s/git/bit/ | 00:02 |
| infobot_ | jaem meant: it takes a bit of work to set up, but their goal is simplicity (as in technical elegance, not newbie-friendliness), so if you know Linux well, it's no big deal | 00:02 |
| jaem | Arch has that | 00:03 |
| Macer | i was going to use it as a very small linux desktop | 00:03 |
| jaem | and you can get a much slimmer install of it than with Kubuntu | 00:03 |
| Macer | it's ok. it has a 100G hd ;) | 00:03 |
| Macer | i'm not hurting on space | 00:03 |
| jaem | I meant memory-wise | 00:03 |
| jaem | btw, Macer, how much does your device cost? | 00:04 |
| Macer | yeah i suppose... but like i said.. want to see what this via chipset can do.. kubuntu is a good test of how well it can handle | 00:04 |
| jaem | fair enough | 00:04 |
| Macer | it was $300 w/ 1G of ram included in the pkg | 00:04 |
| Macer | the hard drive i had lying around from an old laptop that broke | 00:04 |
| thopiekar | cu tomorrow :) | 00:05 |
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| jaem | oh nifty... that looks cool | 00:05 |
| Macer | the artigo? | 00:05 |
| jaem | yeah | 00:05 |
| Macer | well.. looks can be deceiving ;) that's why i need to test it out... if it works well... i might replace one of my shuttles and just stack about 4 of these in an atx case | 00:06 |
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| jaem | haha | 00:06 |
| jaem | bbiab | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | pet peeve of the day: TA's who steal the plastic cover you gave them your handin in. | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, poison the covers. | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not worth the risk of complain', though, eh? ;) | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: at one point i accidentially put coins inside a plastic cover.. that was the first time the TA (who in this case was the courses former teacher..) had anyone try to bribe him.. | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | (he failed my handin anyway.) | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pay him more! | 00:09 |
| Macer | haha | 00:10 |
| jaem | he wouldn't believe you? | 00:11 |
| jaem | that stinks | 00:11 |
| Macer | omg this shit is taking forever to install | 00:11 |
| Macer | WORK ALREADY DAMNIT! :) | 00:11 |
| Macer | blah. it's just a watched teapot | 00:12 |
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| vcell | Stskeeps: use some form of invisible ink that over time reappears ;) and put something like goatse on it | 00:16 |
| luke-jr | 4 MB saved by removing tutorial-home-applet :D | 00:16 |
| Macer | hm. i don't know if this thing has slow video because it's just slow. or because the install program uses vesa drivers | 00:17 |
| Macer | i'm hoping it's because the install uses vesa for universal support | 00:17 |
| Macer | hopefully when it actually boots it says "DETECTING VIA PIECE OF SHIT VIDEO CHIPSET!" | 00:17 |
| fireun | vesa, hahaha - OLD skool | 00:21 |
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| Macer | fireun: a lot of things use vesa since it is standard | 00:22 |
| Macer | like (which i'm guessing) this kubuntu install | 00:23 |
| timeless | cool, my e61i can order my n800's rhapsody around :) | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you get rhapsody in .fi? | 00:23 |
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| timeless | not normally | 00:25 |
| timeless | but at least before we shipped rhapsody i was able to use it | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :) | 00:25 |
| timeless | i tested it today at work | 00:25 |
| Macer | got an edimax usb2 wifi adapter too | 00:26 |
| timeless | it didn't work at dinner | 00:26 |
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| timeless | and it's working here @home | 00:26 |
| Macer | supposed to just work in ubuntu | 00:26 |
| * Stskeeps is starting to have a bit of respect for the fact maemo could be squeezed into 770 flash. | 00:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 is slow and sucky. :P | 00:27 |
| RST38h | nice case though | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | so far it isn't -that- bad | 00:28 |
| Macer | isn't it a bit on the clunky side? | 00:28 |
| Macer | the case i mean | 00:28 |
| Macer | kind of large compared to the n800? | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hard cover is overrated. | 00:28 |
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| timeless | the hard cover is useless | 00:29 |
| * timeless happily lost it immediately | 00:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, the kickstand | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was a stroke of genius. | 00:29 |
| RST38h | Macer: you could kill with it | 00:29 |
| Macer | haha | 00:29 |
| RST38h | Macer: try that with n810 and see what happens | 00:29 |
| jaem | *clunk* aaaaah | 00:30 |
| jaem | yep, stil works | 00:30 |
| jaem | that guy's pretty dead | 00:30 |
| RST38h | all right, sleep time | 00:30 |
| jaem | night, RST38h | 00:31 |
| jaem | GA: I second that opinion - are there any other devices of similar form-factor with a kickstand? I haven't seen any | 00:32 |
| * jaem just put his socks on the wrong feet | 00:32 | |
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| Macer | i'll be damned. it boots | 00:38 |
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| luke-jr | why is /tmp only 512 KB? | 00:38 |
| Macer | well. it's trying to boot... :) lets see if it can make it all the way into kde4 | 00:38 |
| Macer | heh | 00:38 |
| timeless | i have the same files... | 00:40 |
| timeless | oops, w/w | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: to keep apps from thinking they should waste precious space in /tmp? :P | 00:43 |
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| jaem | does anyone mind helping me with bootmenu issues? | 00:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 00:45 |
| jaem | I have been unable to find any clear docs on the *.item format, and now can't boot into one of the three installs on my N810 | 00:45 |
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| jaem | I installed to my ext card with console-tools | 00:46 |
| jaem | then installed Mer on the internal card | 00:46 |
| jaem | and I'm not sure exactly how to write the *.item file | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | fairly simple.. sec | 00:46 |
| jaem | sure, thanks | 00:46 |
| jaem | it looked simple, but apparently I did something wrong | 00:46 |
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| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/XEMZ5Z32.html | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | and then refresh_bootmenu.d | 00:47 |
| jaem | that looks like what I did, only it's on p2 of the external card | 00:48 |
| jaem | oh wait | 00:48 |
| jaem | that could be the issue >_< | 00:48 |
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| jaem | thanks, sts | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | any way to get the file manager to show more dirs? | 00:50 |
| jaem | hmmm... now it boots, but crashes after the creepy hands logo | 00:51 |
| * jaem looks into it | 00:52 | |
| Stskeeps | er, i did write rw and not ro, right? | 00:52 |
| jaem | yep | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | hm, k | 00:52 |
| jaem | and I didn't copy verbatim anyhow | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | make sure yours says ro then :P | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | er | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | rw | 00:52 |
| jaem | which one is it?! :D | 00:52 |
| jaem | rw | 00:52 |
| jaem | I presume | 00:52 |
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| jaem | luke-jr: by "more", do you mean more at once, or more than just the images/videos/docs folders? | 00:57 |
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| Macer | this thing is pretty fucking awesome :) | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | which? | 01:10 |
| Macer | even though the video is a little on the slow side | 01:10 |
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| Macer | the artigo | 01:10 |
| Macer | it gets a B :) | 01:10 |
| Macer | maybe the newer via chipset with dx9 support and faster cpu will get an A if it can do better video | 01:11 |
| Macer | i'm upgrading all the kubuntu stuff on it now and have to close it up and put it somewhere.. i hope my kvm starts working with it | 01:11 |
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| Macer | when i say dx9.. i mean hopefully it will support compositing.. which this doesn't seem to want to do | 01:12 |
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| Macer | maybe intel will release something with their chipset that is similar.. i know their smaller video chipsets can do compositing.. not the quickest.. but it still works nonetheless | 01:12 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you guys fix the dual menus yet? :) | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | nah, been busy doing some 770 related stuff | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | i did try to investigate though | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | i honestly can't see why it appears | 01:15 |
| Macer | 770 related stuff? :) | 01:15 |
| Macer | wtf? | 01:15 |
| Macer | mer based 770 related stuff? | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | nokia 770 support, we already have quite a lot running on it (from MMC) | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | and i just got wifi properly working, i think | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | so all the tablets are supported in one way or the other | 01:16 |
| Macer | i see | 01:16 |
| Macer | you guys are sure going the distance huh? | 01:16 |
| Macer | out of curiousity .. not to question your motives.. but what do you gain from doing all this work? | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | did i mention the beagleboard, pandora devel board, pocket loox 720 port? :P | 01:17 |
| Macer | i mean.. is it a project for school or something? | 01:17 |
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| Macer | or do you just do it to do it? | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | part of my contributions is work-related, part is my free time, and part is to get knowledge and do something for the community | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | and to enhance my job possibilities post-graduation | 01:18 |
| Corsac | hmhm, the qemu -M n810 seems broken here | 01:18 |
| Corsac | mipid_reset: Display off | 01:18 |
| Corsac | and then just a white screen | 01:18 |
| Macer | but what job possibilities open up by making a linux based distro for n770s and n8x0s? | 01:18 |
| Macer | are you going to try to work at nokia? | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: that's just cos it is possible and someone donated a 770 | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | n8x0s cos noone else was going to step up it seems | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Corsac: dump the mtd1 from a device with the no-lifeguard-reset flag | 01:19 |
| Macer | i see. i just as much figured you were going to work at nokia ... i'm sure they wouldn't mind picking up a developer | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: meh, not a worry just yet | 01:20 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N800: I don't need to boot maemo, only install a debian on it | 01:20 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N800: do I still need that? | 01:20 |
| Corsac | (and how should I do that “dump” ?) | 01:20 |
| Macer | well.. once you get a good working stable Mer.. you should try and see if they'll hire you as a developer | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: if anything we can always hope this work assists with discount codes for rx-51 :P | 01:21 |
| Macer | sounds like something you may enjoy | 01:21 |
| Macer | hahahhaa | 01:21 |
| Macer | !! | 01:21 |
| Macer | that's a lot of hours to put in for discount codes ;) | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand once i'm done with the 770 work, i can introduce my gf to the tablet universe :P | 01:22 |
| Macer | good luck with that | 01:22 |
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| Macer | i tried with my gf and the n800 :) she would rather use her G1 | 01:22 |
| Corsac | please introduce your gf privately | 01:22 |
| Macer | she didn't see the appeal... i almost felt like dumping her right hten and there | 01:22 |
| Macer | haha | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Corsac: the dump is needed afaik, if it's just debian you're booting, then you probably don't need the no-lifeguard-reset flag.but anyway, on a n8x0, as root, 'cat /dev/mtd1ro > /media/mmc1/dump' | 01:23 |
| Macer | snatching my n800 out of her hands saying "I don't think this is going to work out..." | 01:23 |
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| Corsac | ok | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: besides that, the space between laptops and embedded systems is exploding these days. | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | it will be good to know your way around the challenges of it | 01:24 |
| Macer | yah. it does seem to be taking off rather quickly | 01:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: never let it be said that you aren't generous... introducing tablets to your gf with the worst one of 'em all :p | 01:24 |
| Macer | strange that coming down in power and speed can be a good thing sometimes :) | 01:24 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: when i get rx-51 she gets n800 :P | 01:24 |
| Macer | but then again.. people don't usually race cadallacs | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt i will have problems finding a job as a graduate of my university, but i rather want to do figure out something i would like to do for a living | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: hehe, fair enough :D | 01:25 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N800: and then I should use that dump as kernel? initrd? something else? | 01:25 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: heh... i know a girl who got a policical science MBA from depaul university just to wind up becoming a web designer | 01:25 |
| Macer | i thought that was odd | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: well .. political science | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Corsac: can't remember the option sorry, i may be able to find it | 01:26 |
| Macer | i suppose it could help in web design.. but usually you would expect someone who majored in political science to well... be into politics :) | 01:26 |
| Macer | it would be like someone with an engineering degree from MIT opening a flower shop | 01:27 |
| Macer | it just seems odd | 01:27 |
| Corsac | -mtdblock maybe | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | i have 5 years of being involved with research projects and before that managing a successful open source project.. at least i hope my resume will make me attractive | 01:27 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 01:28 | |
| Corsac | doesn't seem to work, maybe I still need the reset stuff | 01:28 |
| Macer | welp. i'm going to shove this thing in a tiny spot under my shuttle and small bookshelf stereo | 01:29 |
| Macer | heh.. this thing is great.. at least now i have a solid linux desktop to work with | 01:29 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: we have added some updated HAL stuff you might want too | 01:34 |
| b-man | k :) | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | it will enable Fn usage on n810 for instance | 01:35 |
| b-man | i've also noticed you've added cnetworkmanager | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that was me, i needed it for powerlaunch ;) | 01:36 |
| Stskeeps | offline mode is a godsend :P | 01:37 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'm just amazed the method i use for detection works :/ | 01:38 |
| Corsac | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ it seems that I'm not the only one having problems with my config partition :) | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | read part 2 :) | 01:39 |
| Corsac | ok so the no-lifeguard-reset seems to be mandatory | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: if you get it working, feel free to take up the QEMU N8x0 image of Mer task up :P | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | i have rootfs and kernel somewhere | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Corsac: ah, sorry, i assumed it was only so because poky doesn't need mtd1 dump at all | 01:41 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N800: I'll try and report | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: there's a part II to the post | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | been a long time since i used n810 qemu emulation, input really bugged me so I rm -rf'ed the folder out of frustration :) | 01:42 |
| Corsac | ssh to the rescue :) | 01:43 |
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| Corsac | (I intend to use it mainly for building) | 01:43 |
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| Stskeeps | building using maemo? :P | 01:44 |
| Corsac | no | 01:44 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 01:45 |
| * Stskeeps uses a debian armel-versatile | 01:45 | |
| Stskeeps | with a buildd rootstrap chroot | 01:46 |
| Corsac | I'm currently installing lenny in qemu armel-versatile | 01:46 |
| Corsac | but I guess it'd be nicer to use -N n810 :) | 01:48 |
| Corsac | maybe useless for a pure debian, too | 01:48 |
| Corsac | if n810 is only useful for maemo | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | well i have booted ubuntu within n810 machine at some point too :P | 01:49 |
| Corsac | doesn't work either | 01:51 |
| Corsac | I'm using versatile kernel, though | 01:52 |
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| Stskeeps | try grab zImage from a FIASCO image instead :P | 01:54 |
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| Corsac | hmmh | 01:58 |
| Corsac | not sure it'll work, but it's worth trying | 01:58 |
| Corsac | the flasher can do that? | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | flasher-3.0 -u -F <image> | 01:59 |
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| Corsac | wow | 02:00 |
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| Corsac | lots of stuff on console | 02:00 |
| Corsac | nothing in the SDL window | 02:00 |
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| Corsac | (and still mipid_reset: Display off | 02:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, remember framebuffer console is a luxury :P | 02:03 |
| Corsac | yeah but still, nothing is displayed at all | 02:05 |
| Corsac | hmmh, oh. | 02:05 |
| Corsac | the installer uses framebuffer | 02:05 |
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| Corsac | mpf, even with instructions on how to boot maemo, no chance | 02:18 |
| Corsac | well, maybe, but white screen | 02:18 |
| Stskeeps | think one of the kernels is a bit silent | 02:19 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 02:19 |
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| luke-jr | jaem: I mean /media/data that I created | 03:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6712574135.html | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds power intensive. | 03:49 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hey GeneralAntilles Your around | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, hum? | 04:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles I contacted Quim about maemobox.org making sure I wont be getting contacted by any laywers and I havn't heard anything from them you know of any way to contrac him he doesn't come on irc does he? | 04:14 |
| ds3 | if you find the magic tallisman to keep way lawyers, please please post about it =) | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, he comes on IRC every once and a while. | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil | 04:15 |
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| benson | Bacon Salt!!!! | 04:58 |
| benson | (@woot) | 04:58 |
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| benson | We should all stock up for the summit, | 04:59 |
| Macer | wow.. that knetworkmanager crap is fail | 04:59 |
| Macer | heh | 04:59 |
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| Macer | i have no idea how it works per user.. but screw that crap.. it is horrible :) | 04:59 |
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| rm_you | johnx: yo :P | 05:09 |
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| * GeneralAntilles gets a serial console on his N800. | 05:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, rm_you. | 05:16 |
| rm_you | heyhey | 05:16 |
| rm_you | so | 05:16 |
| rm_you | apparently I get to have dinner with RMS in April O_o | 05:17 |
| rm_you | which is sweet | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tell him he's a crazy person? | 05:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:17 |
| rm_you | i don't think he's crazy :P he's just an idealist, and maybe a bit of a zealot, but we need both of those qualities | 05:19 |
| rm_you | and i agree with him pretty much 100% | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crazy as crazy gets. | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not very useful for convincing the corporate types of your point of view. | 05:19 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: did you get the right connector or you just soldered it? | 05:20 |
| tank-man | as a user of software, I like RMS's ideas | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, I stole a couple of connectors from some old 286 machines at work. | 05:20 |
| ds3 | What kind? | 05:21 |
| rm_you | as a creator of software, I agree with RMS's ideas | 05:21 |
| ds3 | holding 3 wires on clip lead gets old quick :D | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, the right kind, I guess. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everex? | 05:21 |
| ds3 | Hmm | 05:21 |
| ds3 | I am about to recycle an old 286, I should look first | 05:22 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: did you get JTAG working on the other pins? | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't have any JTAG equipment. | 05:22 |
| ds3 | oh | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, we're having two different discussions here, I think. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got a serial console from my Beagle with a USB-to-serial adaptor plugged into my N800. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a serial console FROM my N800. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry. ;) | 05:23 |
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| ds3 | OH :PPP | 05:24 |
| ds3 | the pins on the back near the battery are console, it is just finding the right connector! | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, you'll have to build your own. | 05:25 |
| ds3 | I was hoping there is a standard one available somewhere | 05:25 |
| ds3 | anyways... back to dreaming | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia presumably has a custom rig that you set the device into which connects the serial console and the USB pins and likely some sort of power supply. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | A mounting kit like this is the only real solution: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php | 05:26 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: Sorry, I'm down with the flu, I'm home and can test when I'm not in bed... PM if you have something I can test for you. | 06:03 |
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| luke-jr | stupid garage! | 06:23 |
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| neatojones | the latest nm-applet available for mer/ubuntu is broken | 07:22 |
| b-man16 | hmm | 07:23 |
| b-man16 | it's working for me.. | 07:23 |
| neatojones | this morning, I thoguht it was my xubuntu install | 07:23 |
| neatojones | bman, which window manager are u using? | 07:23 |
| b-man16 | metacity | 07:24 |
| b-man16 | (gnome) | 07:24 |
| Macer | hm | 07:24 |
| neatojones | I just did a fresh install of mer. then apt update, upgrade, then dist-upgrade. | 07:24 |
| Macer | new fray cd only has 10 songs? | 07:24 |
| neatojones | nm-applet wouldn't start | 07:24 |
| Macer | these artists nowadays just aren't trying heh | 07:24 |
| neatojones | same as xfce | 07:24 |
| b-man16 | did you have any luck with ubuntu by any chance? | 07:25 |
| neatojones | bman, can you apt-get update and see if anew version of network-manager is available for u? | 07:25 |
| * b-man16 is making an installer | 07:25 | |
| b-man16 | shure | 07:26 |
| neatojones | I didn't try it today | 07:26 |
| neatojones | but, i was using network-manager-gnome | 07:26 |
| neatojones | in hildon and xfce | 07:26 |
| neatojones | also, how did you get around gnome-keyring-manager problems | 07:27 |
| neatojones | it was running 100% cpu in xfce and no ability to kill it. | 07:27 |
| b-man16 | 100%? 0_o hmm | 07:28 |
| neatojones | stskeeps said they had to include a fix in start-hildon to prevent that. | 07:28 |
| neatojones | apparently, it doesn't occur for you...? | 07:28 |
| neatojones | it made xfce crawl...so you'd know it | 07:29 |
| b-man16 | i'm mainly using ubuntu atm | 07:29 |
| b-man16 | (but i'm not having cpu problems, even with full ubuntu-desktop) | 07:29 |
| neatojones | yeah. I wonder if one of their packages causes it, if the rootstrap install doesn't have the problem | 07:30 |
| neatojones | xfce was slow with everything imaginable unloaded. but the keyring manager was going crazy | 07:30 |
| b-man16 | maemo-launcher? | 07:30 |
| neatojones | not sure | 07:31 |
| neatojones | i'll try a debootstrap install next to test for it | 07:31 |
| b-man16 | is it slow with swap enabled? | 07:32 |
| neatojones | i'm wanting to compile e17, | 07:32 |
| neatojones | yeah | 07:32 |
| neatojones | that was a whole other issue | 07:32 |
| neatojones | had to fix swap because it has my external and internal devices reversed in ubuntu/mer | 07:33 |
| neatojones | mmcblk0p1 was my external | 07:33 |
| neatojones | instead of mmcblk1p1 | 07:33 |
| * b-man16 doesn't have that problem, supringly | 07:34 | |
| neatojones | had to fix it in fstab. | 07:34 |
| b-man16 | re: suprisingly | 07:34 |
| neatojones | I'll see if debootstrapping fixes it | 07:34 |
| neatojones | may be a problem with the installer image only | 07:34 |
| neatojones | I'm dying to try the e17 illume module...it'll probably suck. but, Im dying to try it out. supposedly has a nice onscreen keyboard too | 07:36 |
| neatojones | just wish i could get it to compile | 07:36 |
| b-man16 | what kind of errors are you getting? | 07:36 |
| neatojones | said autopoint wasn't installed. | 07:37 |
| neatojones | but, it was. | 07:37 |
| neatojones | then i discovered automake install problems and could reinstall/ununstall the package | 07:38 |
| neatojones | no reconfigure either | 07:38 |
| neatojones | I'm gonna try another route | 07:38 |
| * b-man16 hates those kind of errors - he had the same problem with gtkeyboard | 07:39 | |
| b-man16 | it depended on a non-existent package :P | 07:40 |
| neatojones | muh... | 07:40 |
| neatojones | so, I'll try another method next time | 07:40 |
| b-man16 | btw, there's an update for network-manager and network-manager-gnome :) | 07:41 |
| neatojones | dont't install | 07:41 |
| neatojones | or...download the version you have first to restore | 07:41 |
| * b-man16 will take note of that ;) | 07:42 | |
| neatojones | ugh..I don't wanna go to launchpad land | 07:42 |
| b-man16 | hehe | 07:43 |
| * b-man16 thinks it's too complicated | 07:43 | |
| neatojones | pain in the bum | 07:44 |
| b-man16 | it took me 3 weeks to figure out how to use it ;p | 07:44 |
| neatojones | sigh... | 07:44 |
| neatojones | could just wait it out... :) | 07:44 |
| b-man16 | :) | 07:45 |
| * b-man16 needs to go to bed - g'night | 07:46 | |
| neatojones | later | 07:47 |
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| Toba | hey all | 08:29 |
| Toba | I can't seem to find any sort of central repository of nokia's maemo applications code | 08:30 |
| Toba | I am trying to find out what hildon API the Internet Call application uses to show missed call notifications | 08:30 |
| timeless | mxr.maemo.org/diablo ? | 08:30 |
| * Toba looks there | 08:30 | |
| timeless | the apps themselves are typically closed | 08:30 |
| timeless | however you should be able to find what you need | 08:30 |
| timeless | if you really need help finding something, i have a private version which can answer directly | 08:31 |
| Toba | timeless: i can't help but wonder, are you working on fennec? | 08:31 |
| Toba | the mozilla QDB seems to feature you | 08:31 |
| timeless | as a mozilla.org contributor, yes | 08:31 |
| Toba | awesome. | 08:31 |
| Toba | good work, good luck on that bug. | 08:31 |
| timeless | as a Nokian, i'm more of a helper | 08:31 |
| Toba | the showstopper that is. | 08:31 |
| timeless | hrm | 08:31 |
| timeless | no idea which one that is :) | 08:31 |
| Toba | something to do with memory | 08:32 |
| Toba | I don't know if it effects maemo, I'm thinking not | 08:32 |
| Toba | I heard about it via the grapevine | 08:32 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=notification&find=hildon.*h$ | 08:32 |
| Toba | thanks | 08:32 |
| timeless | just a hand written query based on what you described | 08:33 |
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| Toba | I have this right now | 08:33 |
| Toba | hildon.hildon_banner_show_information(self.app, None, string) | 08:33 |
| Toba | and that's clearly not what I want, this is for a scheduling app | 08:33 |
| timeless | sounds pythony | 08:33 |
| Toba | it is python | 08:33 |
| timeless | fwiw, i don't claim to speak python :) | 08:34 |
| Toba | http://cons.truct.org/projects/psyched.html is what I am porting to hildon/maemo | 08:34 |
| * timeless has a Hg(.py) patchbomb to send, but... | 08:34 | |
| Toba | it's working *mostly* now but it's not very well integrated | 08:34 |
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| Toba | so I don't feel comfortable releasing a version that professes maemo support | 08:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | iirc, it's a libnotify thing. internet call is closed but modest, the email client,does the same thing & its code is available. | 08:35 |
| timeless | fwiw | 08:35 |
| Toba | libnotify doesn't seem to be in the repositories | 08:36 |
| timeless | ime, the notification system fails fairly amusingly | 08:36 |
| Toba | oh hold on.... | 08:36 |
| Toba | timeless: how so? | 08:36 |
| timeless | well, a few years ago a bunch of people sent requests to be my friends via google talk | 08:36 |
| Toba | I want a) it to hang around until the user dismisses it b) obvious visual cue | 08:36 |
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| timeless | so every day i look at my tablet it flashes at me to tell me about some fixed time (and no date) when these people (chirp, chrip, chir-, chirp) asked me to be their friends | 08:37 |
| timeless | because i haven't dismissed/addressed their requests | 08:37 |
| Toba | why did you not dismiss them | 08:37 |
| timeless | because i don't know if i know them | 08:37 |
| Toba | how is that a failure | 08:37 |
| Toba | does it say who it is? | 08:37 |
| timeless | not in a way i can understand | 08:38 |
| timeless | but the failure is the fixed <time> (not date) field | 08:38 |
| Toba | ...that sounds more like a gtalk problem than a notification problem one | 08:38 |
| timeless | similarly, sp3000 and my sister have "called" me | 08:38 |
| timeless | but the notification doesn't say which <day> they called | 08:38 |
| timeless | (chrip, chirp, chrip, chirp, chirp) | 08:38 |
| Toba | i'm gonna go ahead and assume that the programmer made a leap | 08:38 |
| Toba | and assumed you wouldn't leave it for n days | 08:38 |
| Toba | but would rather notice within 24 hours and the ambiguity would not exist | 08:39 |
| timeless | fwiw, i complained to them internally before the product shipped | 08:39 |
| Toba | huh. | 08:39 |
| timeless | i told them this would happen | 08:39 |
| * timeless can predict the future | 08:39 | |
| timeless | toba: imagine someone who leaves their device for a weekend | 08:39 |
| Toba | oh, I see the issue | 08:40 |
| Toba | this isn't an issue for me as the application I am writing pops things up that hte user themself put in | 08:40 |
| timeless | heck, every time i launch outlook it tells me about all the events i've missed, typically 6+.. | 08:40 |
| Toba | I hated that at my last job | 08:40 |
| Toba | loathed it | 08:40 |
| Toba | outlook is horrid | 08:40 |
| timeless | thankfully outlook shows me days / times | 08:41 |
| timeless | so i know i missed that 6 days ago and this 7 hours ago | 08:41 |
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| timeless | anyway, the calendar events could just as easily have been things i created | 08:41 |
| timeless | just something to consider | 08:41 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-desktop-2.0.18/libhildondesktop/hildon-desktop-notification-manager.h#86 | 08:42 |
| timeless | i'm assuming that's the one you care about | 08:42 |
| timeless | (and no, i'm not checking it against the internal sources) | 08:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that should be a feature request - "have mxr.maemo.org look through internal sources" :p | 08:44 |
| Toba | yeah i'm looking at that and hildon_set_notification_persistent | 08:44 |
| timeless | qwerty: heh | 08:44 |
| Toba | I'm beginning to suspect that the hildon python API is not complete | 08:44 |
| timeless | qwerty: since mxr.maemo.org is a selective mirror of a box which has those sources | 08:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | so make it unselective! :) | 08:45 |
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| Toba | oh it's in libhildondesktop not libhildon | 08:49 |
| Toba | i feel stupid now | 08:49 |
| timeless | toba: heh | 08:50 |
| timeless | i think that's *very* clear from mxr :) | 08:51 |
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| Toba | hence the feeling stupid | 08:51 |
| Toba | :p | 08:52 |
| timeless | toba: well, as penance, teach people to use mxr.maemo.org :) | 08:52 |
| * Toba fiddles with his rosaries | 08:54 | |
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| Toba | ok looking at this c header file | 08:56 |
| Toba | how would I go from that to knowing where it will be in the python API | 08:56 |
| Toba | I'm wandering in the dark into walls here | 08:56 |
| timeless | um | 08:56 |
| timeless | mxr.maemo.org/garage | 08:56 |
| timeless | you should be able to find pymaemo or whatever there :) | 08:56 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/find?string=pymaemo | 08:57 |
| timeless | if it's there, that is | 08:57 |
| timeless | and it doesn't seem to be | 08:57 |
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| timeless | if you pick a file, you can click the blame link to switch to an scm viewer | 08:59 |
| timeless | in case i'm missing something which is present in the live repo | 08:59 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/?root=pymaemo | 08:59 |
| timeless | however, i don't think i am | 08:59 |
| Toba | i think it's an issue of api mapping | 08:59 |
| * timeless nods | 08:59 | |
| Toba | i don't know what process hildon-desktop -> python2.5-hildondesktop takes in munging the imports etc | 09:00 |
| Toba | which is confusing me | 09:00 |
| timeless | well, assuming you're using pymaemo | 09:00 |
| timeless | you can just read it from the mxr.maemo.org/garage links i'm offering :) | 09:00 |
| Toba | i'm not even sure what pymaemo is | 09:00 |
| timeless | i'm assuming it's the Python for Maemo bindings you're using | 09:00 |
| Toba | i'm using python, python2.5-gtk, python2.5-hildon, and python2.5-hildondesktop | 09:00 |
| * timeless ponders | 09:00 | |
| timeless | maybe it's different | 09:01 |
| Toba | maybe i should be doing something different than this? | 09:01 |
| Toba | I have no idea, I didn't want to completely munge the code | 09:01 |
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| Toba | I'm trying to make the same codebase continue to run on a normal gtk system | 09:01 |
| * timeless nods | 09:01 | |
| timeless | try | 09:01 |
| Toba | without exploding or making too huge a patchset | 09:01 |
| timeless | die | 09:01 |
| timeless | except | 09:01 |
| timeless | :) | 09:01 |
| Toba | yeah | 09:01 |
| Toba | i'm doing that in psyched_notify.py | 09:01 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pyphantom/www/pyphantom/ | 09:01 |
| Toba | I'm just using the wrong hildon api for notifications | 09:02 |
| timeless | maybe it's python-hildondesktop? | 09:02 |
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| Toba | it is | 09:02 |
| Toba | but i don't know what to import inside that | 09:02 |
| * timeless wonders where that comes from | 09:02 | |
| * Toba has no idea | 09:02 | |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pyphantom/www/index.html?raw=1 | 09:02 |
| timeless | interesting | 09:02 |
| Toba | 0.0.2-2 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) | 09:02 |
| Toba | that's where it comes from, it seems | 09:03 |
| timeless | it's not the right thing | 09:03 |
| * timeless shrugs | 09:03 | |
| Toba | it's not? | 09:03 |
| Toba | shit. | 09:03 |
| timeless | pyphantom is an IDE to help developers create Python plug-ins for Hildon Desktop. It is completely developed in Python with pygtk, gtksourceview and libhildondesktop. It is hosted under Maemo Garage. | 09:03 |
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| Toba | I'm not using pyphantom | 09:03 |
| Toba | so I assume this is a good thing? | 09:03 |
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| timeless | well | 09:03 |
| timeless | i think the problem is that whomever runs python for maemo isn't in garage | 09:04 |
| Toba | what is this 'python for maemo' is it a special port of python to the maemo platform | 09:04 |
| Toba | or a module for using the maemo platform from python | 09:04 |
| * timeless shrugs | 09:04 | |
| timeless | i don't really do anything w/ python | 09:05 |
| Toba | I think I'll just jump back in and see what the hell I can find | 09:05 |
| slonopotamus | Toba, maemo uses patched python | 09:05 |
| Toba | I figured it would, for some reason | 09:06 |
| Toba | for one, it doesn't have the help function | 09:06 |
| Toba | so that's clearly not stock | 09:06 |
| timeless | that's probably for space reasons | 09:06 |
| Toba | yeah 256 megs isn't space to be using on documentation | 09:07 |
| Toba | hence the no manapges | 09:07 |
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| qwerty12 | ~nuke libtoool | 09:13 |
| * infobot_ prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at libtoool ... B☢☢M! | 09:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | Toba: still around? | 09:54 |
| Toba | yeah | 09:54 |
| Toba | what's up? | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Toba: you want python-hildondesktop bindings for normal OS'es? | 09:54 |
| Toba | no | 09:55 |
| L0cutus | giorno | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah, then i misread | 09:55 |
| Toba | I only need it in maemo | 09:55 |
| Toba | but I need to find out how to do a persistent notification using it | 09:55 |
| Toba | and I can't seem to find it in there | 09:55 |
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| Corsac | qwerty12: the device should be in R&D mode PLUS having the no-reset R&D flag, correct? | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | Corsac, if you have the no-reset flag enabled, rd-mode gets enabled automatically | 10:42 |
| Corsac | ok | 10:43 |
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| Corsac | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/xfce/n810/ btw | 10:44 |
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| aquatix | Corsac: nice | 10:45 |
| aquatix | that looks quite usable | 10:45 |
| Corsac | it's with the “easy-debian” chroot | 10:45 |
| Corsac | it's usable but there are keyboard issues | 10:45 |
| Corsac | qwerty12: mpf, I've re-checked out a config.mtd with no-reset-flag and I still can't see any display :/ | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: could probably draw inspiration from Debian beta3 scrshots | 10:46 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: Debian beta3 ? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: the original interface for one of the debian for NITs release was xfce-based | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably find screenshots somewhere | 10:48 |
| Corsac | ok | 10:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Corsac, worked for me a long time ago: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/Screenshot-1.png :/ | 10:48 |
| Corsac | wow, with -M n800 it seems to work | 10:48 |
| Corsac | I get the bootloader screen at least | 10:49 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: well, I'm the Debian Xfce maintainer so yeah that would interest me :) | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | N800's a better model to use, using a emulated N810 keyboard is the worst shit ever | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: try prod johnx about it when he's around | 10:50 |
| Corsac | mpf, it seems stuck at bootloader, but I don't really have the correct kernel and rootfs for n800 anyway | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | they're really the same - i've flashed a n810 rootfs onto my N800 | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet has screenshots of deblets xfce | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | Minus documentation and minor things | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, a bastard combination of xfce and matchbox wm.. | 10:51 |
| Corsac | qwerty12: ok so maybe it's just stuck at the same place on both but at least with -M n810 it shows something | 10:51 |
| Corsac | n800 I mean | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | Corsac, I've got a few hours, I'll try setting this up again and letting you know how it goes | 10:51 |
| Corsac | thanks | 10:52 |
| Corsac | should I be able to combine a config.mtd with other images (for example the qemu img I created for debian armel)? | 10:53 |
| Corsac | or a mer image? | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | should work, after all, it's just a poky tool - i'd assume it's intended for general use :) | 10:53 |
| Corsac | rootfs_offset=2304 # chinook | 10:54 |
| Corsac | #rootfs_offset=3328 # diablo | 10:54 |
| Corsac | wow. | 10:54 |
| Corsac | that might be a problem :) | 10:55 |
| qwerty12 | yeah, gets shifted due to the initfs being bigger, but you should change that (and in the qemu source too somewhere :P) | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | Morning, Jaffa. | 10:56 |
| * Stskeeps ponders where on earth people get the misconception Mer is a Ubuntu effort | 10:57 | |
| Corsac | I didn't rebuild qemu | 10:57 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: so you can justify asking money to marks | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:58 |
| Corsac | ok, without a patched qemu I'm basically doomed | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: it is fairly easy and fast to build qemu head | 10:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Corsac, you'll wanna patch with http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/presentations/20080920-maemo-summit/diablo.patch definitely | 11:00 |
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| Corsac | yeah but I don't really like ok | 11:00 |
| Corsac | will check that, but diverting from packages is not that much a good idea | 11:01 |
| Corsac | when possible :) | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: think it is in qemu HEAD now | 11:01 |
| Corsac | I have qemu-0.9.1+svn20090104 | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope. Just checked it out and it's still the old values. | 11:01 |
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| Corsac | rebuilding | 11:03 |
| Corsac | now that won't solve my other problem, with no kernel/initrd to boot my debian-armel partition :/ | 11:03 |
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| * qwerty12 has only used it to boot maemon | 11:04 | |
| qwerty12 | -n | 11:04 |
| Corsac | even with -M volatileab | 11:04 |
| Corsac | I've installed the debian yesterday | 11:04 |
| Corsac | but in the end it said “I didn't install any bootloader, so deal with it yourself” | 11:05 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: ping. | 11:23 |
| timeless | pong | 11:25 |
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| Broken_ | hey all | 11:37 |
| Broken_ | anyone around? | 11:45 |
| Broken_ | echo echo echo | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 11:45 |
| RST38h | moo all | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 11:46 |
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| RST38h | heya qwerty | 11:47 |
| jaem | hello and goodnight | 11:48 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: Can you tell jeremiah what the problem is with your latest uploads? | 11:53 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: hi first of all.. I've uploaded some sources to "extras" with the Maemo Extras Assistant.. and I just want to know when the packages will be available on extras-repo.. could you please help me? | 11:55 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: And the xorg upload? | 11:55 |
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| thopiekar | aahh | 11:56 |
| thopiekar | ok | 11:56 |
| thopiekar | this problem.. | 11:56 |
| jeremiah | I am all ears :) | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, is XSBC-Original-Maintainer correct or Original-Maintainer? | 11:57 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: You mean in the control file? | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | yep :) | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | because I've seen XSBC-Original-Maintainer recommended but there's an oddity | 11:58 |
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| jeremiah | I don't think it really matters, | 11:58 |
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| jeremiah | lintian might complain, but you can ignore that for maemo | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I guess it's me being pedantic. | 11:58 |
| thopiekar | I uploaded yesterday xorg and there were some meta's in it but I removed them.. they were meta's to some ubuntu drivers... | 11:58 |
| thopiekar | :) | 11:58 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: Which is good, don't get me wrong! :) | 11:58 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :) | 11:59 |
| * thopiekar is working on a newer debhelper version.. | 11:59 | |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: streamripper is in extras-devel? | 11:59 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: You are working on a version of debhelper? Or a version of your package made with debhelper? | 11:59 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: shouldn't it be in extras? | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Not if you don't promote it? | 12:00 |
| thopiekar | how can i promote packages?! | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | ~upload-extras | 12:00 |
| thopiekar | I haven't permissions for that.. | 12:00 |
| infobot_ | rumour has it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Sure you do. | 12:01 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: .. working on a newer version of debhelper actually :) | 12:01 |
| jeremiah | hmm, okay. | 12:01 |
| jeremiah | Which part? It is lots of little programs | 12:02 |
| jeremiah | And written in perl, while maemo is more python-centric | 12:02 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: i'm working on the xserver things.. | 12:02 |
| jeremiah | specifically what? | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: .. that sounds like a dangerous path O_o | 12:03 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: I was working on that last night.. | 12:03 |
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| thopiekar | now its 11:03 | 12:03 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 12:03 |
| thopiekar | .. "Please make sure your package is ready for the masses and at least test: ".. silly without having a tablet atm.. | 12:04 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Ah, an all night hacking session? =) | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not so much when sbox overrides it... | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | (thankfully) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well considering how much chaos tz1's stuff caused.. | 12:04 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: hehe yes.. | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, how many people have debhelper installed on their tablets? It's not carried in a repo because sbox satisfies it internally. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i was speaking of xorg, debhelper sb1 will brutally molest on itself | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 12:05 |
| jeremiah | Right, which points to the fact that any local changes you make to debhelp thopiekar will not show up when you build in the maemo environment. | 12:05 |
| * thopiekar is confused in the dependences-"tree" of debhelper.. he is making a mindmap now.. | 12:06 | |
| jeremiah | All your debhelper changes will disappear because the package gets built using the maemo tools | 12:06 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: ? Even when I make changes in control ( if needed) and uploading the dependences on Maemo Extras Assistant before? | 12:08 |
| jeremiah | The autobuilders do not have your chages to debhelper. | 12:09 |
| jeremiah | What package do you want to build for maemo? Maybe we can do that and then incorporate your debhelper changes? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | but we do see some of the problems of maemo platform :P debhelper is -ancient- :P | 12:09 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Oh really? | 12:09 |
| jeremiah | I will have to upload a newer one then, see if we can get that into the repos | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | yep, we have v5 from the debian-etch sbox devkit | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | I wonder what happens if you upload it to extras-devel and then specify the Newer version as Build-Depends for your package? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: well sadly it isn't that simple, you need to modify the devkit | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: SB will override it anyway | 12:10 |
| timeless | qwerty12: so... think you could write my preinst/postrm scripts? :) | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, sbox will override it | 12:10 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: hmm I've foregot it btm but I think it was needed for pulseaudio... | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, hmm, I'm not the best scripter :) | 12:11 |
| timeless | jeremiah: help :) | 12:11 |
| jeremiah | I will work on this today timeless! | 12:12 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, I know it's not recommended but dpkg-divert worked wonders for me the other day when replacing files... | 12:12 |
| jeremiah | I promise. | 12:12 |
| jeremiah | I have been trying to get up to speed with the difference between debian and maemo | 12:12 |
| timeless | jeremiah: my day on fridays is very short | 12:13 |
| jeremiah | timeless: I think I have the zip file and will start working on it immediately after I try to convince thopiekar to get some sleep. :) | 12:13 |
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| timeless | note that the zip file gets updated daily at times | 12:14 |
| timeless | so don't cache it :) | 12:14 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: so I should stop working on that.. | 12:14 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Well, not necessarily. I just think you have done a great deal of work | 12:14 |
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| jeremiah | and maybe you can refine your goals after you have got a little sleep | 12:15 |
| jeremiah | I want to help you out as much as I can, but I know that when I am really tired, after staring at the screen | 12:15 |
| thopiekar | :D I've stoped yesterday at 23:59^^ | 12:15 |
| jeremiah | all night, sleep has a way of clearing my head | 12:15 |
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| jeremiah | making the work easier. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | BTW if we need a newer debhelper, we could probably push for it in Fremanlte still. | 12:15 |
| thopiekar | I had 10h of great sleep | 12:16 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 12:16 |
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| jeremiah | X-Fade: Good point. I will put that down so we can try to get that in | 12:16 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Where's a good place to make notes like that? | 12:16 |
| jeremiah | The sprint wiki? | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | Wasn't there a wiki page for it? (#maemo please help me out) :) | 12:17 |
| jeremiah | The newest debhelper, dh 7, is a big departure. | 12:17 |
| jeremiah | But it makes really clean rules files. | 12:17 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: would debhelper-7.0.13maemo1 be fresh enough for fremantle and diablo? | 12:17 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Probably. | 12:18 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Did you package that? | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, I think a bug is filed and then added here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle . Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong page. | 12:18 |
| thopiekar | not at the moment.. | 12:18 |
| thopiekar | but I should be called like that when I've finished my work | 12:18 |
| jeremiah | excellent. | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | SDK is really in need of an updated devkit | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | & a toolchain | 12:19 |
| timeless | qwerty: i'm not entirely opposed to it, but m-vo didn't think it was promising | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | I'd like to get aircrack-ng in extras but I can only build it locally in a sbox with a cs2008 toolchain. | 12:19 |
| timeless | either way, the process needs to automatically pick filenames and diversions | 12:19 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, yeah :/ | 12:20 |
| timeless | any hard coding in the scripts is a disaster | 12:20 |
| * thopiekar wonders why po4a needs a perl-module.. | 12:20 | |
| timeless | jeremiah/qwerty: there's also the question as to whether i should just have one package | 12:20 |
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| timeless | i'm trying to model the way packages should be written | 12:20 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Lots of utilities in debian / ubuntu use perl behind the scenes | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, one package does make it a hell of a lot easier to maintain | 12:20 |
| jeremiah | debian is built in perl :P | 12:21 |
| timeless | esp to enable my packages to be taken by upstream as replacements for their junk | 12:21 |
| jeremiah | timeless: For maemo? | 12:21 |
| jeremiah | Having one package is a lot easier to maintain, that is true. | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe one source package and multiple binary packages? | 12:23 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: would it be *ok* removing "libmodule-build-perl" from the control-file? | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, I hope there is a cleaner way than dpkg-divert, I hate to think of the amount of lines you're gonna need in your post/pre scripts. But I'm no expert on dpkg-divert, only used it once :) | 12:23 |
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| jeremiah | thopiekar: Not if it is required to build | 12:24 |
| jeremiah | And I think libmodule-build-perl is pretty fundamental. | 12:24 |
| thopiekar | hmm I should test it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa | 12:24 |
| jeremiah | In fact, it is one of the three build tools used in perl | 12:24 |
| jeremiah | So I doubt you would be able to remove it. | 12:24 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Add the -D flag to so you get dependency checking | 12:25 |
| thopiekar | ok it fails | 12:25 |
| jeremiah | Yep | 12:25 |
| timeless | qwerty: i think a single script can be stuck into the locale-support pacakge | 12:26 |
| timeless | and then have preinst/postrm just use that script | 12:26 |
| timeless | in fact, if it can't be written that way, it's not going to work | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | With preinst, remember, it's run before any files are installed | 12:27 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, preinst means pre-install. | 12:27 |
| jeremiah | :) | 12:27 |
| jeremiah | timeless: What are the files at issue? What files do you want to over-write? | 12:28 |
| timeless | jeremiah: *all* of them :) | 12:29 |
| jeremiah | heh | 12:29 |
| timeless | basically each .mo file i distribute | 12:29 |
| timeless | or each .txt or .html or .xml or ... | 12:29 |
| jeremiah | okay that's easy . . . rm -rf * | 12:29 |
| timeless | whatever things | 12:29 |
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| timeless | jeremiah: the issue is the uninstall case | 12:29 |
| timeless | should recover the file i replaced | 12:29 |
| jeremiah | timeless: Ah | 12:29 |
| timeless | i'm already overwriting the original | 12:29 |
| timeless | but per the maemo extras rules, uninstall must not be harmful | 12:30 |
| jeremiah | oh I see, now I remember you mentioning something about that. | 12:30 |
| jeremiah | So uninstall has to return the user's machine to previous state. | 12:30 |
| timeless | yep | 12:30 |
| jeremiah | And you are writing _over_ the previous files, so they are gone? | 12:31 |
| jeremiah | Can you just re-name them? | 12:31 |
| jeremiah | Like to mo.orig? Or foo.xml.orig? | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morning lcuk | 12:33 |
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| qwerty12 | feeling better? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | not really | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | damn :( | 12:35 |
| lcuk | stopped producing gunk now but cant talk still | 12:35 |
| lcuk | mind you, in here thats not a bad thing | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | moo lcuk | 12:38 |
| jeremiah | Okay timeless and thopiekar, I am going to do some work on timeless' package but I should be around. | 12:39 |
| timeless | i'm off to lunch | 12:41 |
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| jeremiah | Off to lunch too, will be back later | 12:52 |
| thopiekar | hmm building all needed perl-packages to maemo is crazy, because they have lots of dependences, haven't they jeremiah?. | 12:53 |
| slonopotamus | haven't i told you that maemo's perl is patched too? :) | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | bleugh RST38h | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: and it is often most likely that the perl devkit will mess you up too :P | 13:01 |
| thopiekar | :| | 13:02 |
| * thopiekar hates perl | 13:02 | |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather say SDK is the more correct target but :) | 13:02 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | (there's a reason why one of the mini-policies for mer is that scratchbox: it's good for you and me if it can build in scratchbox, but it's alright if it doesn't) :P | 13:03 |
| thopiekar | lardman: moin :) | 13:04 |
| lardman | hey thopiekar | 13:04 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: :] | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | What about the packages that rely on scratchbox oddities? *Looking wistfully at maemo-xkb-plugin* | 13:04 |
| lardman | anyone use voip here? Does GTalk work from tablet <-> PC? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: those needs to die, i have met those amongst hildon code | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:05 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: you should definitively work on a interface like Maemo Extras Assistant... :) | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | lardman: no, but it works well tablet <-> tablet | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: right now we have scp + ssh, works too :P | 13:05 |
| lardman | Jaffa: even just for voice? | 13:05 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I mean it doens't work even just for voice? | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I believe GTalk's desktop video/audio support doesn't use the Jingle XMPP extensions that Google designed. | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | BICBW | 13:06 |
| lardman | lol | 13:06 |
| lardman | so Gizmo or Skype then? Any thoughts on which is better? | 13:06 |
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| Jaffa | Gizmo's more "standard", but Skype is more prevalent. | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | Neither worked very well tablet <-> tablet for me | 13:07 |
| lardman | well it's just to phone home, am heading to India next week | 13:08 |
| lardman | phone home meaning phone to my PC at home | 13:08 |
| lardman | from my tablet | 13:08 |
| * Stskeeps prefers skype (but have not yet tried the others) | 13:08 | |
| X-Fade | Used skype while on holiday in Sulawesi, worked OK from my N810. | 13:08 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: :D | 13:09 |
| lardman | is skype free for skype to skype calls? | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Sure . | 13:09 |
| lardman | cool, thanks chaps | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | lardman: But give the other party you N800, so you can do video calls. Is really cool when you are far away.. | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | *your | 13:10 |
| timeless | sts: please lemme know how my skype changes feel :) | 13:10 |
| lcuk | quantum teleportation | 13:10 |
| lardman | yeah, that's a good idea | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: strings or code alteration | 13:10 |
| lardman | X-Fade: if I give my gf the n800 I may not get it back! ;) | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, that is what I did with mine ;) | 13:11 |
| lardman | yeah, I had to beg it back to do some dev work on it, ah well | 13:11 |
| * Stskeeps is giving the gf a 770 when his devel work is done with it | 13:12 | |
| Stskeeps | with mer installed, obviously | 13:12 |
| timeless | strings :) | 13:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, ssh overrides local usage | 13:12 |
| timeless | skype is officially a third party app | 13:13 |
| lardman | I tried that and was told it wasn't fast enough :p | 13:13 |
| timeless | so officially i don't see the code :) | 13:13 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, offline mode overrides ssh ;) | 13:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: good call, I get strange looks when it reboots though :) | 13:13 |
| lcuk | but then its not really an internet tablet | 13:13 |
| lcuk | lol i get shouted at for starting apps | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install flite ; echo "whatever" | flite - have fun :) | 13:14 |
| lcuk | anyway, goin again | 13:14 |
| lcuk | nice to see you all still exist | 13:14 |
| lardman | hmm, amazing, some useful info on -users (though it did come from the General, so no wonder): Gizmo can be connected though the rtcomm stuff, I presume that means without their gui stuff? | 13:14 |
| * thopiekar hates changing the control | changelog file for every dependency .. but he knows thats deb-rule[z].. | 13:15 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yep, then you just use the normal voip interface. | 13:15 |
| lardman | ah cool, that sounds good | 13:15 |
| thopiekar | how is the shortcut for Friday? Fr or Fri? | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, dch -i | 13:16 |
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| Jaffa | thopiekar: In English, "Fri" would be typical. | 13:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: re that multi-touch thing, H&W wires is the same as a usual screen isn't it? | 13:17 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: what does that commend? | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, adds a new section to the changelog automatically with the correct date | 13:18 |
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| thopiekar | woohooo! is it possible to add the text to the command, too? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | It opens in nano, edit whatever there | 13:19 |
| thopiekar | like my flowery phrase "* Repackaged to the architecture armel" ? | 13:19 |
| thopiekar | hmm ok | 13:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, no, with resistive, there are wires along the edges (4wire, plus occasionally one contact point in the centre (5wire)). this has a full matrix of || and = over the entire surface | 13:23 |
| lardman | hmm, but there must be wires/something conductive along the h & v | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Open a white page and look at the 'grain'.. | 13:24 |
| lardman | so is the resistance set by the edges? higher resistance = further along edge? | 13:25 |
| lcuk | edges only http://www.elotouch.com/Technologies/compare_resist.asp | 13:25 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, the grain on m810 is for a different reason (holes to let light behind for sunlight readability) | 13:25 |
| lcuk | but im goin back to bed bbl or something | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Ah true.. | 13:26 |
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| Jaffa | More details on webOS: http://lwn.net/Articles/319819/ | 13:31 |
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| t_s_o | would be interesting if they launched a centro model with webos | 13:35 |
| timeless | centro? | 13:36 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: can't - no touchscreen | 13:37 |
| RST38h | or does it have one? | 13:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: In other words, it is based on a local webserver | 13:38 |
| RST38h | Like Nokia's Personal Web Server | 13:38 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: it seems it does, would be kinda hard to use palmos if not ;) | 13:39 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder how webos will be impacted by the recent html5 xss issue... | 13:39 |
| * thopiekar is at the beginning of all dependences.. debhelper > po4a > libmodule-build-perl > perl > gcc | bam! .. he has got no clue what to do now.. maybe jeremiah knows it.. | 13:40 | |
| Jaffa | RST38h: it's the services exposed by the JSON bridge which make it viable (for certain classes of applications) | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | thopiekar: what *are* you trying to do (end-goal), and what are you trying to do (currently?) | 13:41 |
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| thopiekar | bring up a fresh version of debhelper from ubuntu's source-repo.. | 13:41 |
| thopiekar | lot's of packages of the sdk are too old! | 13:41 |
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| jeremiah | Yeah, I think I am going to file a bug about the older tools in the sdk | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | thopiekar: what feature do you need? Uploading a new debhelper to extras is likely to break other packages | 13:43 |
| t_s_o | am i reading it right that a app can include its own service binary? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, you may have to, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/d/debhelper/ (and this is fremantle) doesn't look promising :) | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | Well, the alpha sdk | 13:44 |
| thopiekar | Jaffa: might be right but jeremiah said nothing about that.. | 13:45 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12: the newest version of debhelper on ubuntu is 7.xxx | 13:45 |
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| qwerty12 | i know | 13:46 |
| thopiekar | at least for fremantle there should be a upgrade.. | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, depbhelper is 5.0.42 in alpha freemantle, and at least 7 in debian | 13:46 |
| Jaffa | Probably too late with the alpha around the corner. I suppose it's *possible* there'd be room in the plan for an unexpected upgrade between the alpha & beta | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | thanks for the link qwerty12 | 13:46 |
| t_s_o | http://www.forevergeek.com/2009/02/laptop_desk_from_floppy_discs/ | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | so Palm Pre is basically just a glorified webbrowser? ;) | 13:47 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: Aha. It might be a lot of work to intergrate a new debhelper set of tools. | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, http://legocomputer.com/ :> | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: actually it is fairly easy | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | if you know how to do it sanely | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: How do you know? There are so many small tools that it would take a lot of testing to make sure things build | 13:48 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12: seems like a "improved" version of something i have seen before (i kinda liked the old one tho as it had more space age parts) | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | I think it should work, but testing it would have to be extensive | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: general expression of how scratchbox is built and the scripts in use and patches and so on | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, heh, and here's me with my standard HP case :) | 13:48 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12: heh, i know the feel | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: (i have actually made a scratchbox devkit with updated stuff for mer :P) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | .. not debhelper though | 13:49 |
| t_s_o | altho i think its maybe 10 years since i last bought a of the shelf desktop system ;) | 13:49 |
| jeremiah | I don't doubt you know the scoop, I just mean that one cannot be sure about a new tool | 13:49 |
| jeremiah | not breaking everything until you have tested it. | 13:50 |
| * thopiekar thinks about whether there are any packages like gcc, apt or whatever which are up-to-date ... he thinks not | 13:50 | |
| jeremiah | That is what I meant by "How do you know" | 13:50 |
| t_s_o | sadly its become very hard to find desktop cases that do not look like some building in the red light district... | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: yeah, true | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, my first computer (my current HP is my second) was custom. 733MHZ & 128MB ram. As you can see, I needed the upgrade... | 13:50 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: It might be easier to focus on the package that you want to put in extras instead of the tools to do it . . . | 13:51 |
| t_s_o | heh, i used a 466Mhz for the longest time... | 13:51 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: might be right.. | 13:51 |
| t_s_o | i think it had something silly like 300MB ram ;) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: that is two sides of the same thing (put in extras and tools to do it), as extras require packages to build so you need to get the tools in too :P | 13:51 |
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| t_s_o | maybe more accuratly around 380MB... | 13:51 |
| * thopiekar thinks about focusing more on mer in future.. | 13:51 | |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: That is true. | 13:52 |
| * qwerty12 generally butchers the rules,control & compat to work under debhelper 5 | 13:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: one of the things i was upset(?) about with maemo was the fact you spend more time compiling libraries and tools than actually porting your package :P | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | and hildonizing it | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: (btw, i am not criticising, just trying to share experiences :) | 13:54 |
| thopiekar | could someone please test the packages: streamripper, libtre4? I want to promote them to extras.. | 13:54 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I totally understand. And that kind of info is invaluable to know | 13:54 |
| jeremiah | But I think there is a balance between a commercially supported tool and a community supported tool | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, obviously | 13:55 |
| jeremiah | And some of the maemo bits we don't control :-/ | 13:55 |
| jeremiah | But, there is Mer! :) | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | but a thing like this harms the platform | 13:55 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I will try to bring that message to the right ears. :) | 13:56 |
| jeremiah | But I suspect that if we, or I as debmaster, build a good environment, the powers that be might let us put it in maemo | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I expect that when we move to something more like a distribution that porting will take less time. As most libs etc will already be available in the repo. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:58 |
| jeremiah | We can't forget that there are also space constraints, we are not building a desktop distro, so not every single thing will get in. | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: obviously, libs vs tools though | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | i am kinda inclined to think space may not be too much of a concern in rx-51 but that's me.. | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: No, but users can decide for themselves if they want to install an app+deps of a certain size. Application Manager will show how large the install will be in toal. | 14:01 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yes, true. | 14:01 |
| hahlo | jeremiah: are you from se? | 14:01 |
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| jeremiah | hahlo: An American who lives in .se (Gothenburg) | 14:02 |
| hahlo | ok cool | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, anything from a few gigs up is probably fine.. | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | oh ffs, why do i always get post when i have to go | 14:03 |
| jeremiah | Okay, if space is not a concern, and you guys know more about this than me, then I think we should be tracking debian a little more closely. | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed and 'Jaiku | The Deblet Project' is interesting reading | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | (which is what spawned mer. ) :P | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Not saying you can install oo.o with it's deps easily, but yeah ;) | 14:03 |
| t_s_o | X-Fade: app manager only does so if one go to details and check the installing tab, iirc. i wish it would show the total next to the list entry, but that could be somewhat harder i guess... | 14:03 |
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| X-Fade | t_s_o: enhancement request? :) | 14:04 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Nokia usually takes pretty old debian packages and builds on them | 14:04 |
| t_s_o | X-Fade: fixed in fremantle? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | fixed in mer? :P | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | t_s_o: Don't ask me.. | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, total would require recalculating after every package change. it would be slow | 14:04 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Whatever newer packages you build, will probably have to go into MeR rather than Maemo =( | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: indeed, that's why mud-builder's got loads of compatibility tweaks | 14:05 |
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| jeremiah | Good stuff Stskeeps! Maemo Reconstructed is interesting reading. | 14:05 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: your probably right. not that its fast already given how it insists on rescanning thing each time one do anything... | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: a lot of this is no longer accurate though | 14:06 |
| lcuk | the rescan would be much more, its viable when you click details (apt-get does it as well) | 14:06 |
| jeremiah | Hopefully since debian lenny is now stable, newer packages can make their way to Nokia. | 14:06 |
| * lcuk goes back to truman show | 14:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: I really should read up on mud-builder, I usually repack upstream packages manually - mud-builder sounds like it can save a lot of time :) | 14:07 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: It does appear more of a political decision, judging from the previous history | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: Best way of seeing how it can help is to look at the new vim package. One xml file and a few icons to build an end-user installable and runnable app | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Probably having to do with having to test the whole system every time a new package version is imported | 14:08 |
| jeremiah | I will say that development targeting these devices is fragmented. | 14:09 |
| hahlo | under battery cover reads made in finland but wlan mac informs nokia denmark | 14:09 |
| jeremiah | While that is to be expected, it is a little hard to manage | 14:09 |
| RST38h | what do you mean by "fragmented"? | 14:10 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Why is there deblet _and_ Mer? | 14:11 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Ah, these are two different projects | 14:11 |
| jeremiah | I mean, debian supports armel, why do we need deblet? | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Deblet is a way to run Debian apps in chrooted environment from under Maemo | 14:11 |
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| jeremiah | That sounds more like a feature than an application. | 14:12 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: MeR (Maemo REconstructed) is an attempt to make an open distro based on Maemo bits (including proprietary Nokia bits needed to manage table hw) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: er, no | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: Deblet was Debian with packages added to the debian lenny armel port to make it run sanely on tablets | 14:13 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is the successor of that project (as RST38h described) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: we couldn't call it Debian for NITs, obviously | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | as some things were not kosher at all | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Well, they TRIED calling it Debian but debian guys protested :) | 14:13 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: But isn't it just a maemo development environment ported? | 14:13 |
| RST38h | On some stupid legal reason | 14:13 |
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| RST38h | it's not. | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: er, no - maemo development environment is closer to etch i think | 14:14 |
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| jeremiah | The first line of the deblet project is: "to provide a Debian-based distribution" | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:15 |
| jeremiah | for Nokia tablets | 14:15 |
| jeremiah | But debian already provides this. | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: long story short: distributions on internet tablets cannot be taken as-is, you cannot run d-i and so on | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | it cannot even boot sanely without some tricks | 14:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeremiah: to say arm support = full support for tablet isn't really true | 14:16 |
| jeremiah | True, but all the good work you guys did could make its way into debian no? | 14:16 |
| jeremiah | And then debian could have proper support for these devices. | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | From the people who know them best | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: yes, but deblet stuff is out of date now and some of the tricks wouldn't be kosher at all :/ | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Ah. | 14:17 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Deblet is an older project | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | okay, so the new Hotness is Mer and I should ignore deblet? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:17 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: As to merging MeR into Debian, it is not possible even for legal reasons | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: What about if you removed the proprietary blobs? | 14:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Ah, but deblet was a little dirty in some of the things it did - it used propritary nokia things for example -not dfsg compliant for sure :) | 14:18 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Then it will not work on the tablet | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: what about legal reasons? we have a fully free base system :P | 14:18 |
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| hahlo | Stskeeps: could somebody port pure debian for tablets? | 14:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and I type too slow evidently :) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: that was deblet.. | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yes but it won't work on the tablet :) | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: sure it would, but it would be irritating to use.. | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: In my definition, it is called "won't work" | 14:19 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: So to run / boot / use the tablet, you need proprietary Nokia blobs | 14:19 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: yes | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | not entirely correct | 14:19 |
| hahlo | but the way debian do officially? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: no, not a official debian way | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | it is debian armel with packages on top | 14:19 |
| hahlo | ok | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Sts: you need the proprietary stuff to use the tablet | 14:19 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Are you aiming for a complete free software version for the tablet? | 14:19 |
| RST38h | that is exactly what he is aiming at ;) | 14:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: practicaly, let's be honest, you do | 14:20 |
| RST38h | integrating this stuff into debian proper is kinda non-goal | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: for Mer, we target a fully free base system. There might be HW support and "added value" by Nokia. | 14:20 |
| RST38h | it may be ideologically nice, but none of us profit from it as end users | 14:20 |
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| jeremiah | is | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: but i am not delusional and thinking that we will get a 100% free 100% functioning tablet system | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | on this hardware | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: But that IS the goal. Otherwise, you are creating a system that nobody will use | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: Except for diehards fans willing to live with a semifunctional devices | 14:22 |
| jeremiah | debian struggles with this issue of "Free" themselves | 14:22 |
| jeremiah | There are firmware blobs that debian does not have the source for | 14:22 |
| jeremiah | this goes against the dfsg | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Well, Debian is very ideological about it | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | and causes lots of fighting. | 14:23 |
| RST38h | MeR is not, unless Sts thinks otherwise of course :) | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | Yes, they are ideological, and they should be. | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: misunderstand me correctly for a sec :) Mer, as in everything that is portable (hildon, ubuntu base system, mer scripts) will be 100% free and fully adaptable to other hardware. Like, on PCs, there might be firmware (BME, WLAN/Bluetooth firmware), which is closed, to support the hardware | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | Or at least I think they should be. :) | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: Well, you do want to support the hardware, no? :) | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, which the community firmware image deal is about.. | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: If we set "support hardware = TRUE" then we get "proprietary blobs = TRUE" | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | and also, there might be an opening from Nokia to allow Mer to merge Mer base system + HW support + optional Nokia-owned software, for tablet users | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | and that is fair, in my honest opinion | 14:24 |
| glass | thats pretty fair | 14:25 |
| RST38h | yep | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | for the die-hard OSS people, and you're ok with NOLO being closed, you can still run Mer, but it will lack HW interfacing (wifi, battery, etc) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | on the tablets, that is | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | but noone stops you from taking Mer as it is, and move it to other hardware, change, alter, under the licensing conditions | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | so that's how it looks :P | 14:26 |
| * RST38h would like wifi, battery, etc =) | 14:26 | |
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| RST38h | Who wouldn't? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | and agreeing to a license like you do when you download from tablets-dev.nokia.com to get a image that is Mer + HW + (optional stuff).. that is good enough for me | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | since you can grab the Mer stuff outside of that licensing | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | I wish I had never discovered this channel. | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: takes too much of your time? :P | 14:28 |
| RST38h | too late | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | It's too interesting, can't get any work done! | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | ideally a downloadable package or redistribution rights of the FW would be better, but for now, we have to play by the rules | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | =) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: i'd almost say it is part of your work, but hey :P | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I think you're right actually. :) | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeremiah: I now get to sleep much later as I stay awake chatting here :P | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N800: heh. | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N800: Where are you located in RL? | 14:29 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I think we will slowly see more firmware relased as free software. | 14:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeremiah: Oh, I'm in London :) | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N800: London rocks. | 14:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yep, except for the East part which is where I live :D, pretty boring in this parr. But Central London is great :D | 14:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/parr/part/ | 14:31 |
| infobot_ | qwerty12_N800 meant: Yep, except for the East part which is where I live :D, pretty boring in this part. But Central London is great :D | 14:31 |
| lardman | and there's some terrible music there too ;p | 14:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 14:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Gonna take the album with you to India? :p | 14:33 |
| lardman | yeah definitely, though engine drone might sound better :p | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :D | 14:34 |
| jeremiah | Okay! No one say anything interesting or talk about cool things, I'm trying to stay focused in my text editor! | 14:35 |
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| derf | lardman: What are you up to these days? | 14:40 |
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| lardman | derf: sorry, had to pop to lab, am doing thermographic analysis work still | 14:59 |
| lardman | and shearographic for that matter | 15:00 |
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| derf | Sounds like a party. | 15:00 |
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| suihkulokki | does someone use succesfully garage git repos? | 15:01 |
| lardman | well it's quite interesting, but they I like DSP programming so who am I to talk ;) | 15:01 |
| lardman | s/they/then | 15:01 |
| lardman | food time | 15:01 |
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| X-Fade | suihkulokki: Looks like it? https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb | 15:02 |
| derf | I was not being facetious (for once)! | 15:02 |
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| suihkulokki | on git push, I just get: | 15:03 |
| suihkulokki | error: Cannot access URL https://git.maemo.org/projects/projectname/, return code 35 | 15:03 |
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| X-Fade | suihkulokki: https error probably. | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | suihkulokki: Or do you need to use a proxy? | 15:05 |
| suihkulokki | proxy, da | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | try setting the https_proxy env var. | 15:05 |
| suihkulokki | allways set | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | suihkulokki: Stupid question, but you changed projectname to your project, did you? :) | 15:07 |
| suihkulokki | ok, being outside proxy makes push proceed | 15:07 |
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| suihkulokki | X-Fade: yeah :) | 15:07 |
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| suihkulokki | now I need to figure out insist remote repo to forget whatevet there was (the welcom file) with my tree | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | suihkulokki: That file used to name your project.. | 15:09 |
| suihkulokki | I have a existing project, with a existing upstream history, which I'd all like to keep when publishing at garage | 15:10 |
| suihkulokki | how do I proceed? :) | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | suihkulokki: Shoot a mail to garage at maemo, Ferenc can probably help you out with everything related to git. | 15:12 |
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| suihkulokki | git is using http dav, which corporate proxy doesn't like | 15:20 |
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| suihkulokki | X-Fade: could https://git.maemo.org/ be made a redirect to https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb ? | 15:40 |
| suihkulokki | the solution to my problem was just merge the existing repo in garage - git will happily do that even if there is no common history | 15:41 |
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| suihkulokki | FRSFile Name Should Be in This Example Format: gforge-3.0.tar.bz2 | 16:15 |
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| suihkulokki | didn't like a '+' character in a filename | 16:22 |
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| t_s_o | heh, men people are comparing the future tablet with duke nukem forever, you know they are becoming restless... | 16:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman|lunch. . . . | 16:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, alternatively: idiotic. | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we need to fix the Extras descriptions in the invitation emails/garage/assistant. | 16:36 |
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| Corsac | mpf, qemu takes ages to build :/ | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: -ENOTIME | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But I agree ;) | 16:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A s/maemo.org Extras/Extras/g and s/maemo Extras/Extras/g on maemo.org would be good. | 16:45 |
| kozak|work | HI StsKeeps got an issue on maemo SDK. Am not able to open the browser | 16:45 |
| StsN801 | sdk doesn't include a browser? | 16:45 |
| kozak|work | oh ok | 16:46 |
| StsN801 | sdk is just an accelerator/cross compiler so | 16:46 |
| kozak|work | Good to know... we are trying to put a stipped down version of the browser! how do do network configuration for that then? | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Don't you think that maemo.org Extras points to the community repository? | 16:46 |
| Corsac | n801? :) | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: To make it clearer? | 16:47 |
| StsN801 | kozak|work, you can probably build directly on beagleboard | 16:48 |
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| kozak|work | :) oh cool dont have the BB at work! :( got to try it the PC | 16:48 |
| wazd_n800 | hello everybody) | 16:48 |
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| kozak|work | Any network settings that could be done on the PC? | 16:51 |
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| StsN802 | kozak|work, then try stripping down the x86 vmdk version first and recompile on beagleboard at home | 16:52 |
| StsN802 | i guess | 16:52 |
| kozak|work | :D | 16:52 |
| kozak|work | is it possible to open a console to the SDK? | 16:54 |
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| StsN802 | are we talking about scratchbox sdk? | 16:55 |
| kozak|work | Yep | 16:55 |
| StsN802 | not really. /scratchbox/login is closest you get | 16:55 |
| kozak|work | wooo | 16:56 |
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| kozak|work | ok let me try from home | 16:59 |
| kozak|work | thanks sts | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, dunno, maybe. | 17:02 |
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| GAN800 | I'm pushing for Nokia to use just 'Extras' on the device, though. | 17:04 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, it is clear for me. Don't know about end-users. | 17:05 |
| Khertan | i've try Mer 0.8 ... and what i can say ... do not try to install advanded-power and hometools ... | 17:06 |
| Khertan | python2.5-cairo // python-cairo ... conflict | 17:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:06 |
| Meizirkki | Khertan, both are working for me :P | 17:06 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | advanced-power needs closed source hald-addon-bme anyway, which cannot be redistributed outside of nokia | 17:08 |
| Khertan | hum ... how can i fix my problem with conflict in python2.5-cairo and python-cairo | 17:09 |
| Khertan | remove say to use apt-get -f install to fix dependancy problem | 17:10 |
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| Khertan | and -f install try to install it | 17:10 |
| Khertan | but i just want to remove one of them | 17:10 |
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| thopiekar | jeremiah: there? | 17:16 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade: there? | 17:20 |
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| wazd_n800 | dude! It's friday! | 17:22 |
| wazd_n800 | I thought saturday | 17:22 |
| aquatix | oops | 17:23 |
| Khertan | Meizirkki: so you don't have python-cairo conflict ? | 17:24 |
| Meizirkki | Khertan: i didn't have any problems, but i cannot confirm it now, because my tablet is being repaired | 17:25 |
| Meizirkki | HAM is stupid anyway, it doesn't care about conflicts :( | 17:26 |
| thopiekar | does anyone of you know how to fix that? http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5 | 17:27 |
| thopiekar | the repacking of libcrack works fine but it needs the inet, which isn't accessable in sb1 | 17:28 |
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| thopiekar | s/n't accessable/inaccessible/ | 17:29 |
| infobot_ | thopiekar meant: the repacking of libcrack works fine but it needs the inet, which isinaccessible in sb1 | 17:29 |
| thopiekar | thanks infobot :D | 17:29 |
| infobot_ | bitte, thopiekar | 17:29 |
| thopiekar | woo he knows that i'm german | 17:29 |
| thopiekar | nice one infobot :D | 17:29 |
| Khertan | HAM is stupid anyway, it doesn't care about conflicts << i ve used apt-get | 17:29 |
| Khertan | not better | 17:29 |
| lardman | internet is accessible in sb1 | 17:30 |
| lardman | at least it is for me | 17:30 |
| thopiekar | lardman: sure? but in case of http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5 it isn't.. | 17:30 |
| thopiekar | *for me | 17:30 |
| lardman | hmm | 17:31 |
| lardman | can you wget things in sb1? | 17:31 |
| thopiekar | mom i will try it.. | 17:31 |
| thopiekar | * give me a file... | 17:32 |
| lardman | it does say "connection refused" I wonder if that's real, or it just assumes that if it fails for whatever reason...? | 17:32 |
| thopiekar | ok have one mom | 17:32 |
| thopiekar | wget works.. | 17:32 |
| thopiekar | but isn't it provided by sb1.. | 17:33 |
| lardman | ah well, no idea then, unless the site is down | 17:33 |
| lardman | or broken | 17:33 |
| thopiekar | one of these overwritings.. | 17:33 |
| thopiekar | with wget it's working.. | 17:33 |
| thopiekar | I think it's like I said just these overwritings of some apps are working.. | 17:34 |
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| lardman | permissions thing? | 17:34 |
| thopiekar | don't think so.. | 17:34 |
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| thopiekar | lardman: sb1 is working well.. I've repacked lots of packages atm... | 17:35 |
| lardman | good good :) | 17:36 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 17:37 |
| thopiekar | where should I fill in the content of docbookx.dtd? | 17:40 |
| thopiekar | can you read it out from the log, lardman? | 17:40 |
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| jeremiah | hello | 17:41 |
| thopiekar | hi jeremiah | 17:41 |
| jeremiah | wassup thopiekar | 17:41 |
| thopiekar | fine and you? | 17:41 |
| jeremiah | Good thanks. | 17:41 |
| thopiekar | hey jeremiah, do you know how to fix that? http://pastebin.com/d27fa9fe5 | 17:42 |
| thopiekar | it is just a internet problem btw.. | 17:42 |
| thopiekar | in sb1 | 17:42 |
| lardman | thopiekar: from your pastebin? | 17:42 |
| thopiekar | yes | 17:42 |
| thopiekar | lardman: or not? | 17:43 |
| thopiekar | I tried to download the file with wget in sb1 and it works.. | 17:43 |
| thopiekar | * has worked | 17:43 |
| lardman | well it doesn't look like you need to fill it out, just that it tries to access external files and can't | 17:43 |
| lardman | /home/thopiekar/pulseaudio/cracklib2-2.8.12/debian/libcrack2.xml:3: warning: failed to load external entity "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd" | 17:44 |
| lardman | is one of them | 17:44 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, it looks like your network is not working for pulling down those "external entities" | 17:44 |
| jeremiah | So it isn't a packaging error, but a network error. | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | Well, it really shouldn't either. That is a security issue waiting to happen ;) | 17:44 |
| thopiekar | argh... could it be that i ported and installed libselinux :D | 17:45 |
| lardman | well, with a name like libcrack what can you expect :) | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | If you would ever submit it to the autobuilder it would fail anyway.. | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: I thought it was for developing arse related utils :) | 17:45 |
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| thopiekar | lardman: wowowo! I need it for policykit and it for pulseaudio.. | 17:46 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: In freemantle, the document /scratchbox/doc/perl.txt has been re-written, where do I send that? | 17:46 |
| jeremiah | The email address there bounces. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Augh! "Fremantle" :P | 17:46 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade: thats why I always tried it to build on my own sb1. | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: DP team. File a bug against sdk? | 17:47 |
| jeremiah | okay. | 17:47 |
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| thopiekar | so what can i do now? | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | That is Development Platform. | 17:47 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: Just download the file and add it in your package? | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Remove the download code? | 17:48 |
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| thopiekar | where can i find out where to put in the files? | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Or disable doc building as you probably don't want those on your tablet anyway ;) | 17:48 |
| lardman | disable doc building, music to my ears. How is it done.....? | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | --without-docs ? | 17:49 |
| lardman | ah, magic :) | 17:49 |
| thopiekar | behind dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa? | 17:50 |
| lardman | probably as a configure switch | 17:50 |
| thopiekar | ok | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Check ./configure --help | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | See if it is an option. | 17:50 |
| Corsac | mhmh, it seems that maemo booted in my qemu (i saw a progression bar) but now the window is just black | 17:50 |
| thopiekar | kk | 17:50 |
| Macer | well.. playing hd mkvs is definately out of the question on this artigo heh | 17:52 |
| Macer | they should have included a sigma chip on it or something | 17:53 |
| Macer | but that would probably make the thing a little bigger | 17:54 |
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| jeremiah | thopiekar: Don't forget to add the -D switch to get dependency checki | 18:00 |
| jeremiah | ng | 18:00 |
| mikkov_ | hey, when was that broken texinfo package removed? :) | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Monday or tuesday, why? :) | 18:01 |
| luke-jr | opinions Navit vs Maemo Mapper? | 18:01 |
| mikkov_ | it has bugged me a long time, that's why :) | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: You should have pinged me then.. Or filed a bug .. | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | As one of the master porters you should have gotten special treatment ;) | 18:02 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade, was just about to, but then noticed it wasn't there anymore (did ping you once, but had just left) | 18:02 |
| thopiekar | no changes with --without-docs.. | 18:03 |
| mikkov_ | there should be dedicated place for package bugs | 18:03 |
| jeremiah | I agree, there should be. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Indeed, but we now have jeremiah who works on the repo full time ;) | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: So you can blame him. | 18:05 |
| jeremiah | I think I will set upa simple trac instance so that people can put bugs into my queue | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: I think it is better to use the tools we have. | 18:05 |
| mikkov_ | could bugs.debian.org kind of system be built? Or place in bugs.maemo.org? | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | And bugzilla is _the_ bugreporting tool of choice.. | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | bugzilla? | 18:05 |
| thopiekar | :D | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: As we have a fulltime bugmaster too. | 18:06 |
| jeremiah | mikkov_: debbugs is a package you can download and install, so yeah. | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: 1+1 -> 3 ? | 18:06 |
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| mikkov_ | jeremiah: or trac, I don't which system would be the best | 18:06 |
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| jeremiah | X-Fade: So packaging bugs should officially go into bugzilla? | 18:07 |
| StsN802 | lo qwerty12 | 18:07 |
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| mikkov_ | jeremiah: It hasn't been decided | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: I think they should. | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | hey StsN802 :) | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | mikkov_: debbugs is interesting, but it is big and nasty. trac just rocks. | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | debbugs is mail oriented, perl based | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | trac is web oriented, python base | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: But trac doesn't offer a lot of features bugzilla provides. | 18:08 |
| mikkov_ | jeremiah: I'm not very familiar with any system. There should just be official place for packaging bugs | 18:08 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: _Do_ people submit packaging bugs through bugzilla? | 18:08 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: What do you not have in trac? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: No, because there is no central place to file bugs. | 18:09 |
| mikkov_ | To which "product" should packaging bugs be reported in bugzilla? | 18:09 |
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| jeremiah | So, to summarize. There is no central place to file packaging bugs. But you think packaging bugs should be filed in bugzilla | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Probably against the repository for now. | 18:10 |
| jeremiah | ? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | timeless had an idea to make an Extras product in bugzilla and components for packages? | 18:10 |
| lcuk | bugs about packaging only end up in bugzilla after the original developer has stressed for however long to build a package in the first place | 18:10 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: there isn't repository product | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: website -> repository, I think. | 18:11 |
| jeremiah | I will just set up something informal for now and we can push it to bugzilla if that doesn't work. | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Wiki page would probably do for now. | 18:11 |
| jeremiah | I already have that, people don't find it. | 18:11 |
| jeremiah | Maybe I should blog about it. | 18:12 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: there is only website, no repository | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: You should talk to andre about it.. | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | Okay. | 18:12 |
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| * andre__ reads the backlog | 18:13 | |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: product: maemo.org Website, component: Repositories | 18:13 |
| jeremiah | speak of the devil! | 18:13 |
| jeremiah | And he shall appear! | 18:13 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah: There is a start for Extras here: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras | 18:14 |
| jeremiah | andre__: Can you enable a CC on bugs that relate to packaging so they come to me. | 18:14 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: ah ok, bugzilla is just too hard to use | 18:14 |
| andre__ | it's always been like that... | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Blame andre for not deploying templates yet ;) | 18:14 |
| andre__ | hehe | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Just subscribe to the QA contact. | 18:15 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: A lot of free software projects have actually moved to track and away from bugzilla | 18:15 |
| andre__ | jeremiah, i could try, but simply putting the qa contact on your watchlist might be easier :) | 18:15 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I was actually looking only from simple search form, which doesn't list components | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Does trac do mail notification, automatic subscription, groups etc ? | 18:15 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Yep. | 18:15 |
| jeremiah | plus git repos, svn repos, wiki, etc. | 18:16 |
| andre__ | ...while other free software projects lately have moved to bugzilla. but i agree that trac and launchpad have some nice features | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | tons of plugins, written in python | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Anyway, bugtracking -> andre's turf ;) | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Fight with him ;) | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | andre__: Let's do the easy thing and I will subscribe to the qa contact. | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: :) | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | As Michael Jackson said; "I'm a lover, not a fighter." | 18:17 |
| andre__ | yeah. and see where he is now. :-P | 18:17 |
| jeremiah | heh | 18:17 |
| andre__ | good choice, michael, good choice. | 18:17 |
| jeremiah | In Dubai? | 18:17 |
| jeremiah | In Jail? | 18:17 |
| andre__ | got nose? | 18:17 |
| jeremiah | got glove? | 18:18 |
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| andre__ | pah, glove is a workaround! i thought we'd FIX issues here! | 18:18 |
| jeremiah | You're very optimistic then. | 18:19 |
| jeremiah | andre__: How do I subscribe to the QA ontact? | 18:21 |
| mikkov_ | basically all package maintainers should subscibe to repository bugs | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Users to watch: repositories@maemo.bugs | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: For example ;) | 18:22 |
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| X-Fade | andre__: Jeremiah needs the confirm bug etc bits too btw.. | 18:23 |
| andre__ | oh, yeppah | 18:24 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: thanks, I did that. | 18:25 |
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| * StsN800 ponders why the train has ä instead of æ as it should in the displays | 18:28 | |
| jeremiah | okay, I'm going home now. I will probably be online later and almost certainly for a few hours this weekend. | 18:28 |
| jeremiah | ciao! | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade | Have a nice weekend ;) | 18:29 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: You too X-Fade and thanks for all your help. :) You too andre__! | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Overloaded yet? Or shall I continue to drop info on you :D | 18:30 |
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| jeremiah | brain . . . swirling with . . . much data . . . | 18:30 |
| jeremiah | But sure, drop whatever you think is appropriate. :) | 18:31 |
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| andre__ | heh. later :) | 18:33 |
| andre__ | added | 18:34 |
| mikkov_ | somebody should ask yerga for his xournal sources and upload working xournal to diablo extras | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, anidel asked me to remove the broken one in extras-devel because he had no time to fix it. | 18:36 |
| mikkov_ | yes it was anidel | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | Why doesn't he just upload the working chinook one? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | I have no idea. | 18:36 |
| mikkov_ | but anidel hasn't released the sources anywhere so nobody can fix it | 18:36 |
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| mikkov_ | I once asked for them in ITT | 18:37 |
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| mikkov_ | using chinook repositories in diablo is not adequate solution | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Maybe you can send him a mail? | 18:40 |
| mikkov_ | I was hoping that somebody else is more interested in xournal :) | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | Ok, I have to leave too. Time to get something to eat. | 18:41 |
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| thopiekar | make: dh_prep: Command not found.. | 18:48 |
| thopiekar | that isn't normal.. isn't it? | 18:48 |
| StsN800 | fairly normal | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | because? | 18:49 |
| StsN800 | ran into it too in DIABLO SDK | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | It's the point where you make the rules file debhelper 5 compliant ;) | 18:49 |
| StsN800 | because their debhelper is outdated | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | how should i prepare it ( qwerty12 ) ? | 18:50 |
| mikkov_ | usually you just remove those ;) | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | ok :D | 18:51 |
| mikkov_ | if it works, fine | 18:51 |
| mikkov_ | it it doesn't search for what is does | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | is there a way to comment out things? | 18:51 |
| mikkov_ | # | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | hmm ok | 18:51 |
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| thopiekar | StsN800: whats the version of debhelper on mer? | 18:52 |
| StsN800 | mer-scratchbox, 5, mer-native , 7 | 18:53 |
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| StsN800 | due for a update | 18:53 |
| mikkov_ | hre | 18:54 |
| mikkov_ | bah, here's what dh_prep does http://man.he.net/man1/dh_prep | 18:55 |
| thopiekar | StsN800: your are using vbox too. don't you? | 18:55 |
| StsN800 | i use vbox at home, vmware at work | 18:55 |
| thopiekar | and ssh works on both? | 18:56 |
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| thopiekar | I always get this http://pastebin.com/d6782d25c at the end after changing the rules file.. | 19:00 |
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| thopiekar | * I just comment'd something out... | 19:01 |
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| neatojones | bman_ how long should ubuntu take to load gnome on a first boot? | 19:44 |
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| lardman | can anyone remember if the 770 came with a pair of headphones? | 20:14 |
| t_s_o | yep, i think it did. i have a wsod one somewhere, in retail packaging... | 20:17 |
| * lardman rumages around for a second pair | 20:17 | |
| lardman | I had one pair fail, from my n800 I think, I'll see if I can find the 770 box in that case | 20:17 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade: video call from tablet to tablet has got a big thumbs up from the gf | 20:18 |
| t_s_o | any set will do, one only misses the call control button... | 20:18 |
| lardman | ah, I need a microphone though, or is that one of the stereo channels? | 20:18 |
| t_s_o | ah, no, my bad, i had forgotten about the mic thing. altho the N800 have one built in as well as what was on the set | 20:19 |
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| lardman | yeah but the built in ones don't seem to work with the chat applications afaict | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | hmm? The mic on the N800 is meant to be used for internet calling | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | on the N800 headphones that is | 20:20 |
| lardman | yeah, what about the mic without headphones? | 20:20 |
| lardman | on the headphones it works as expected of course | 20:21 |
| lardman | I only have one pair of headphones that I can find atm though | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, you mean normal headphones plugged in and using the mic built in on the N800? Or am I far away? :) | 20:21 |
| t_s_o | ah, plugging in some headphones may disable the built in one... | 20:21 |
| lardman | tablet to tablet - n800 to n810, no headphones on either = no sound out | 20:22 |
| lcuk | the headphone plug is one of those tri-connector things isnt it - left/right/mic. when you plug normal headphones in, it shorts the mic | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | i used skype a couple of weeks ago without headphones | 20:24 |
| lardman | hmm, ok, I'll have to try again | 20:25 |
| lardman | what was the sound quality like? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | decent - that was tablet-tablet | 20:25 |
| lardman | cool, will test later | 20:25 |
| lcuk | which vid calling are you trying | 20:25 |
| lardman | the build-in, Google Talk one | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | mmm ive got liquid@ setup but never tried it | 20:26 |
| lcuk | does it do video? | 20:27 |
| lardman | yeah, works fine | 20:27 |
| lardman | or at least as well as the camera works - Holly was asking if I'd be that grainy in India :) | 20:27 |
| lcuk | from pc ? | 20:27 |
| lardman | n800 >-> n810 | 20:27 |
| lcuk | heh, at least starting with n8x0 you know it wont get much worse :D | 20:28 |
| * lcuk still cant stop coughing | 20:28 | |
| t_s_o | liquid@? | 20:28 |
| lcuk | at least the greenyness has stopped now | 20:28 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail | 20:28 |
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| t_s_o | ah | 20:28 |
| * lcuk ponders how to setup a call | 20:29 | |
| lardman | aargh, omweather has gone mad and is trying to update every 1min, and switching on my inet connection | 20:29 |
| lcuk | i screwed omw up and it lost all its repos and the interface went mental on me and displayed no data at all | 20:30 |
| * lcuk hasnt been able to rectify since | 20:30 | |
| lcuk | mind you, ive been feeling under the weather myself :D | 20:30 |
| lcuk | oooh | 20:31 |
| lcuk | you are a red light zone, no wonder holly likes you | 20:31 |
| lardman | yeah, was the summit! | 20:31 |
| lcuk | so is this text only? | 20:32 |
| lardman | no, voice & video too | 20:33 |
| lcuk | bloody nora! | 20:33 |
| lcuk | tracy will be impressed | 20:33 |
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| lardman | :) | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | 7295! | 20:48 |
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| lardman|away | pin number? | 20:49 |
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| lardman|away | reboot time, bbiab | 20:50 |
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| neostrider | hello there? | 20:50 |
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| neostrider | anybody have any issues with AIC23 on N770? | 20:51 |
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| neatojones | neatojones has a N810 | 20:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, are GStreamer callbacks called in the same thread as the GTK stuff? | 21:03 |
| lardman | when my callback is running, GTK is unable to update/accept events | 21:03 |
| lardman | and even after the callback has finished GTK is unresponsive | 21:04 |
| lardman | any thoughts? | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | http://i.gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes <=== remember this next time you sit onto an office chair | 21:12 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me wonders about his 8yo gas suspended chair, which he's sitting on now | 21:16 |
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| glass | hehe | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | glass: btw: http://i.gizmodo.com/5157322/the-life-of-an-iphone-app-nasty-brutish-and-short | 21:18 |
| RST38h | glass: I am pretty sure the same applies to symbian apps | 21:18 |
| glass | RST38h: to any | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | I'm a freak then, all the apps I installed on my phone are in regular use :-) | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | Except for the shoutcast client that's too painful to use to be useful, and radiobee which was easier to use but a crap implementation | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | putty, opera mobile, opera mini and python in regular use though | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | and joikuspot | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | (light) | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: that is because you have an E70 =) | 21:34 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess.. | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | paying for opera mobile when the included browser is about as stable as the global financial system | 21:39 |
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| * RST38h checks finance.google.com and wonders what ShadowJK meant | 21:49 | |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, like october except every minute | 21:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: In fact, the financial shit has been pending for more than a year before October | 21:56 |
| RST38h | has been well known to realtors | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | lardman, gstreamer runs in its own thread i believe. and you have reason to be afraid of your chair | 22:05 |
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| lardman | lcuk: :) | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | LAN parties - where people actually know what tablets are | 22:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: I think some callbacks - bus ones for example, are performed in the main thread though, or so I read somewhere | 22:10 |
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| lardman | annoying the whole thing locking up anyway | 22:10 |
| lcuk | when i am rendering the camera - gstreamer stomps and the camera image tears (yes, i could handle it but its not worth it) | 22:10 |
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| lardman | are you using queues? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | if gstreamer was on my main application thread that would never occur | 22:11 |
| lardman | so do you render with a fakesink? | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | i just eat the data as i get it | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | transfer it onto a liqimage | 22:12 |
| lcuk | fakesink | 22:13 |
| lardman | hmm, I send the data to an analysis fn, which is pretty intensive, but it does return eventually, and even then the ui is locked up | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo daperl | 22:15 |
| * b-man starts to build some hal packages for ubuntu-n8x0 repo and then works on a concept Ubuntu-Installer | 22:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: consider images i guess | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | look at the imager mer uses | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | it can build ubuntu images probably too | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | then you can probably do ubuntu images like we have mer images | 22:19 |
| b-man | i'll probibly make an installer that gives you the option to install from a bootstrap or rootfs.tar.gz | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* well, look into using the imager | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | you probably don't have to do muc | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | h | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | then you can make tar.gz'es and publish those | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | as simple to adopt as mer | 22:22 |
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| * Stskeeps plays with the 770 | 22:23 | |
| b-man | you got your 770? :) | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | definately needs some optimizations.. | 22:24 |
| daperl | yo Stskeeps, I'm not really here yet. I'm still parenting for the next 3 hours, then I have about 10 straight days of geek time. But last night, I compiled (on my n800) and am now running PyWebKitGtk. Why the f*ck didn't they compile the lenny webkit armel with "--with-hildon?" | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | lol.. dunno, it has --with-hildon? interesting | 22:26 |
| daperl | Have you tried tear? | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but i have tried hildonized midori | 22:26 |
| daperl | probably similar. what did you think? | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | webkit on mobile devices is definately the way to go | 22:27 |
| daperl | oh, also, https works out-of-the-box with pywebkitgtk | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | heh, no wonder my 770 took a long time to make this swap file, i made it do a 128gb swap file :P | 22:28 |
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| daperl | yeah, i'm very impressed so far | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | pywebkitgtk on maemo or on mer? | 22:29 |
| daperl | gb? i tried to build webkit-1.0.1 on my n800. it ran out of space. i think i need to bump up my swap 'cause there's plenty of SD left. | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | or /tmp | 22:31 |
| daperl | pywebkitgtk on maemo. are you running lenny on mer? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | well any lenny packages .. most likely exist in mer too | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | or can be brought to existence | 22:32 |
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| daperl | johnx/qole's debian chroot stuff upgraded well | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:32 |
| daperl | yeah, i forgot to mention, i'm running pywebkitgtk in the chroot. | 22:33 |
| daperl | it's very fast | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 22:34 |
| daperl | gotta go, but it's gonna be a productive weekend | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | have fun | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | i | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | 'm at a LAN party all weekend | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | (there now) | 22:35 |
| daperl | as in gaming? | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | coding, gaming, demos | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | just a small private one | 22:36 |
| daperl | how many? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | 20ish people | 22:36 |
| GAN800 | LAN parties are so 2000. :P | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | some of us were from a 2000+ people lan party (crew) many years ago | 22:36 |
| suihkulokki | demos <3 | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i miss those big parties | 22:37 |
| daperl | sounds like they're making a comeback :-) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | it mostly died here in .dk due to hardcore anti-piracy intervention | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | and people were terrified they were going to come and search their disks and so on | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Horror | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | lol? | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | Random disk searches? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: well, the risk of getting busted with a open FTP .. | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | then again, looking back, people were paranoid | 22:39 |
| RST38h | and, looking forward, for a good reason... | 22:43 |
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| gnuton | Hello there | 22:44 |
| suihkulokki | there are some nice demoskene parties in .fi still | 22:44 |
| b-man | hello gnuton :) | 22:44 |
| gnuton | hei b-man :D | 22:45 |
| RST38h | heh, both SAAB and Volvo are fucked. | 22:45 |
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| * b-man looks into adding the mer imager as a core component of the Ubuntu-Installer | 22:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: or simply generating it before and just delivering .tar.gz's people can install | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | generate once, use many | 22:51 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: i'll likely go both ways - to keep things up-to-date and also to provide more flexibility for advancesd users. -- so i don't need to build lxde-ubuntu, xubuntu and, kubuntu images witch would be a pain to keep continuously up-to-date - but instead have the installer bootstrap the base system or just grab a base rootfs.tar.gz image and then have it install desktop env a desktop env of your choice from a configuration. ;) | 23:05 |
| b-man | --sorry for double typing :P | 23:06 |
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| neatojones | has any out there tried xubuntu? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ah, maybe a .tar.gz as base and then apt-get on top | 23:08 |
| b-man | yup :) | 23:09 |
| neatojones | did you run into gnome-keyring issues like I did? | 23:09 |
| b-man | me or Stskeeps? | 23:10 |
| b-man | i didn't | 23:10 |
| neatojones | As an aside...I realize it isn't much RAM but, I forgot where to get rid of all the getty's that start in mer | 23:10 |
| neatojones | yeah, bman | 23:10 |
| neatojones | ok | 23:10 |
| neatojones | I'll try it again. Maybe I just have bad luck | 23:10 |
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| neatojones | neatojones wishes he could have xubuntu and mer installed at the same time. | 23:11 |
| b-man | you can use /me for those messages ;) | 23:11 |
| b-man | irc command | 23:12 |
| * neatojones forgets to use the command/ is lazy | 23:12 | |
| b-man | hehe | 23:12 |
| neatojones | I guess it's actually less typing. | 23:13 |
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| * neatojones never claimed to be the brightest crayon in the box | 23:13 | |
| b-man | lol | 23:14 |
| b-man | ~burn his N810 | 23:14 |
| * infobot_ pours gasoline all over his N810, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 23:14 | |
| b-man | lol XD | 23:14 |
| neatojones | lol | 23:15 |
| Shadow__X | no | 23:16 |
| b-man | XD | 23:16 |
| Shadow__X | whats wrong with the n810 | 23:16 |
| Shadow__X | i wouldnt mind faster cpu and maybe a tiny gpu | 23:16 |
| Shadow__X | other than that | 23:16 |
| b-man | it's a joke XD | 23:16 |
| Shadow__X | also i found a way to watch close to anything on the n810 with no lag | 23:16 |
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| neatojones | stand close enough to a tv that you can see its reflection on the screen? | 23:17 |
| Shadow__X | tversity | 23:18 |
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| neatojones | web page? | 23:18 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to try to get a more recent kernel going on the 770 | 23:18 | |
| Shadow__X | http://tversity.com/ | 23:18 |
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| neatojones | any good channels? I think I tried it a while back but none of the one's I wanted to watch worked | 23:21 |
| neatojones | Has anyone here ever run e17 on their tablet? | 23:24 |
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| Shadow__X | neatojones, where you asking me | 23:25 |
| neatojones | You too :D | 23:26 |
| neatojones | I tried compiling it the other day and it got an error | 23:26 |
| Shadow__X | about tversity | 23:26 |
| neatojones | yeah | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Mamona is e17 | 23:26 |
| Shadow__X | i used it to stream videos | 23:26 |
| Shadow__X | worked pretty good | 23:26 |
| neatojones | GAN800, tried that. Liked it, but manona has a repo about the size of my pinky | 23:27 |
| neatojones | I knew someone had compiled if for deblet | 23:27 |
| neatojones | but since it has gone from the repos | 23:27 |
| neatojones | so, it must be possible to compile, but I don't know why mine failed | 23:28 |
| neatojones | the errors didn't make sense. It complained that I hadn't installed packages that were indeed installed... poosibly, wrong versions??? | 23:28 |
| neatojones | Shadow__X : where from? | 23:29 |
| neatojones | ...maybe I shouldn't ask. lol | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: re #3312, AFAIK, Fremantle SDK is so far 100% open source | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: so if they keep this up.. | 23:31 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, don't think so :-/ | 23:32 |
| andre__ | (well, i really don't know, but i simply don't expect it) | 23:32 |
| neatojones | what window manager is it supposed to use? | 23:32 |
| neatojones | (fremantle) | 23:32 |
| andre__ | still matchbox i guess? | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matchbox2 | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | neatojones: matchbox2 | 23:33 |
| neatojones | hildon on top? | 23:33 |
| Toba | if you use hildon.Window instead of gtk.Window you're 50% there | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: well i have yet to encounter any closed components .. but admittedly i didn't check | 23:34 |
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| neatojones | haha | 23:35 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, guess we'll all know more once alpha is out | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, waiting patiently for it | 23:37 |
| GAN800 | andre__, don't you mean WORKSFORME rather than INVALID for non-reproducible bugs? | 23:39 |
| andre__ | GAN800, depends. if i can't reproduce it's WORKSFORME. if it's not enough info it's INVALID | 23:41 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: pong ;) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: can i get you to test a cx3110x and see if it improves any for you? i am also right now trying to compile a 2.6.21 kernel.. | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | or you still sick at home? | 23:49 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: sure, I'm still home, but on the mend | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | What's new and exciting in matchbox2 anyway? | 23:50 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm running imager right now for a fresh install | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: it is a library and it has clutter stuff | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | not a wm on itself | 23:50 |
| r2d2rogers | the tracker package didn't want to install so I'm finishing the image manually | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think it is broken atm | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110x.ko | 23:52 |
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| * GAN800 wonders when we'll see the Tracler beta. | 23:53 | |
| GAN800 | s/ler/ker/ | 23:53 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: will try that as soon as the image run finishes | 23:55 |
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| * Stskeeps is just waiting for kernel to finish building | 23:56 | |
| Stskeeps | so far USB driver was broke | 23:56 |
| neatojones | how can I get Mer to log out of the hidon and leave me in a getty screen? | 23:57 |
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| neatojones | *hildon | 23:58 |
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