IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-02-18

wazdAnd the last thing - "all". It shows all the stuff :) Useful for desktop installations00:02
wazdWith category subdivisions00:03
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fuzzybunnyhas anyone installed KDE?00:05
oliis there any way to use hamachi on diablo?00:05
wazdI've basicaly wanted to give user a chance to switch between IM and browser for example instantly00:06
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* oli aaaaaaaaaaaa00:08
olii wondered why doesn't hamachi package work, until i'd found out that i'm trying to run it on my PC00:08
* benson bbbbbbbbb00:09
* qwerty12_N800 g 00:09
Stskeepswazd: i like the way the layout is going though :)00:09
gnutonDoes the builer work?00:09
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gnutonI uploaded a couple of package today and they are not in the builder queue yet00:10
fuzzybunnydid anyone hear me?00:10
Stskeepsfuzzybunny: kde within maemo is so 70s :P00:11
olifuzzybunny: somebody probably has, better tell us what the problem is00:11
fuzzybunnyhow long does it usually take to install?00:11
b-man2-4 hours00:12
fuzzybunnycool thats all i need to know. thanx00:12
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fuzzybunnyso if kde is so 70s whats today?00:13
Stskeepsubuntu or mer :)00:13
b-mangnome 8D00:13
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fuzzybunnyubuntu on an n8--00:14
fuzzybunnyyoure kidding me00:14
olino, some crazy guy (:D) made it00:14
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wazdfuzzybunny: good evening :)00:14
fuzzybunnywhere? how?00:14
wazdI know that bastard :)00:15
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Stskeepsread up on , a lot of good hints00:15
b-manoil: :P00:16
oliStskeeps: czesc :) don't you think merinstaller wastes mmc space by leaving compressed image onto it?00:18
fuzzybunnyill install if possible00:18
Stskeepsoli: hmm? it should delete the compressed image00:18
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b-manfuzzybunny: have fun - hope your good with the command line ;)00:19
oliStskeeps: but it didn't, i'd to do it manually00:19
Stskeepsb-man? :P00:19
fuzzybunnywith the bootmenu, do you think that it is theoretically possible to boot from an external hard drive to mac osx00:19
Stskeepsfuzzybunny: theoretically the tablet is a turing machine..00:20
Stskeepser, turing-complete, sorry, - and hence everything can happen, but practically, no, hell no :P00:20
b-manno - our architecture is armel not x8600:20
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fuzzybunnymabe someday00:21
Stskeepsnot sure why anyone would want it :P00:21
b-mandoubt it00:21
Stskeepsis this fixed, btw?00:21
wazdfuzzybunny: that day is described in bible00:21
wazdfuzzybunny: and a bunch of other texts)00:21
fuzzybunnyur right..... vnc to mac00:22
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wazdfuzzybunny: that's a hardporn)00:22
wazdfuzzybunny: it's not described in bible I suppose)00:22
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b-manStskeeps: working on it ;)00:22
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fuzzybunnyno, I don't believe so exactly.00:23
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: btw, when you have time, document your CPA -> script trick00:24
Stskeepsit might allow some people to start developing CPAs00:24
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: oh, the theme stuff? it's really simple, just system();00:24
Stskeepsyeah, but is still nice to have the glue documented00:25
qwerty12_N800(in my case)00:25
fuzzybunnylooking at some of this, I feel like a noob00:25
wazdStskeeps: I'll blogpost bout Mer with more screenshots00:25
* b-man has an on-line gallery for ubuntu-n8x0 :)00:26
Stskeepswazd: alright, good luck :) remember the home screen and the phone reference (Missed calls, Remember to call Mom, 120 messages from your wife..) :P00:26
Stskeepsand 3 from your mistress.00:26
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wazdStskeeps: surething)00:27
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tonyyarussobenson: I'll look into that.00:29
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tonyyarussobenson: would I find that in the repos for diablo anywhere?00:33
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Stskeepsb-man: you really ought to encourage people to use ${INT_CARD} and ${EXT_CARD} instead btw :P00:35
Stskeepsin example posts00:35
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kkrustyso no more cron for maemo?00:40
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olib-man: impressive screenshots :>00:50
GeneralAntilleskkrusty, alarmd. . . .00:50
b-manthanks :D00:50
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kkrustyGeneralAntilles, you are awesome!00:51
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luke-jrthe USB interface is dead SLOW01:18
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bensontonyyarusso: I believe it's in extras, if not see khertan.net01:27
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: some bashisms in powerlaunch postinst btw01:36
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: I know :(, the script is a bitch to go through though and everything works oddly :/01:37
* Stskeeps plays with powerlaunch01:37
Stskeeps'Wait'? :P01:38
qwerty12_N800I did say it was a workaround :p01:39
Stskeepslol :P01:39
qwerty12_N800think it works on N810 fine though01:39
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Stskeepsi presume lock code does not work01:39
qwerty12_N800it does actually01:40
Stskeepsthough it fails at startup?01:40
Stskeepsor not?01:40
qwerty12_N800it fails at startup in maemo01:40
qwerty12_N800lock code upon bootup is a todo01:40
Stskeepsand we need to look at the dialog placement01:41
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qwerty12_N800yes, mb is really odd - you can see the effect with banners01:42
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: mer is starting to get scaringily usable now..01:45
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qwerty12_N800hehe :)01:46
leandroalis it possible to set display of my n810/n810 to never switch off the display regardless using it or not?01:46
qwerty12_N800set the timeouts to be really high in control panel > display. if you want timeout options like 24 hours, google moredimmingoptions01:47
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: is the panic button (hold down power button forever) included, btw?01:47
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yep01:48
leandroalqwerty12_N800, cool! :)01:48
Stskeepsi could imagine it would be handy in mer development01:48
Stskeeps.. why did my LED just flicker01:48
qwerty12_N800you've entered the failsafe mode01:49
GeneralAntillesNah, just failmode01:49
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Stskeepswas the n800 led single-color or how was it?01:49
Stskeepsas in, only blue? :P01:50
qwerty12_N800N810 got the multi colour shit01:50
timelessn800 had flashing patterns of blue01:50
timelessthe n810 had a number of colors01:50
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to make a kaleidoscope program for the N810 LED01:50
timelesswhich is why i had so much trouble translating the LEDs tab01:50
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wazdStskeeps: ping?)02:08
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andrewfblackHey I thought xchat was free the one on my windows pc wants me to pay 20 to keep using it02:39
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andrewfblackahh well just read the windows version isn't free ohh well back to Mirc on windows for me.02:40
andrewfblackGeneralAntilles you around?02:40
andrewfblackI was just reading where the site maemostuff get told by nokia to shut the site down a few months ago, I'm worried about maemobox getting the same who do I need to talk to, so I don't get sued lol you know?02:41
GAN800Quim or Peter probably.02:43
andrewfblackemail best way?02:43
andrewfblackwill be alot of work to rename maemobox since it is linked like a thousand times on itT02:44
andrewfblackyou know quims email?02:44
Macerdamn fbsd02:45
Macerwith its pw02:45
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GAN800wtf is 'connection-switcher'02:50
andrewfblackI couldn't find his email on his profile so I used itt to email him i hope he gets it, I guess I need to be thinking of a new name just incase02:51
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GAN800Somebody needs to get tang.maemo to move his stuff out of user/02:55
GAN800andrewfblack, quim.gil at ;)02:55
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GAN800lol . . . qtmapper is maintained by 'AL <>'02:59
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luke-jrandrewfblack: X-Chat is free on all platforms03:10
luke-jrandrewfblack: but free does not mean gratis; pay $20 for the free software03:11
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luke-jrso finally trying to flash it03:18
luke-jrbut the N810 doesn't do USB when it's off ☹03:18
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luke-jrusb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub03:22
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luke-jrit's on the motherboard -.-03:22
Mouseywhy won't my background stay what it was last when i reboot?03:24
Macerups doesn't bullshit when they say they're sending something ground huh?03:24
Macerthis thing has had a feb 13th date departure scan forever03:25
Maceris it getting here on horseback?03:25
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luke-jrcan I configure Maemo to connect to any random AP?04:19
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Macerfuck yeah.. shamrock shakes at mcdonalds04:33
fireunoh, so, btw - #maemo sucks04:33
fireunI was stuck at school, trying to figure out a problem on my 770, and I could not connect to irc04:34
fireuntried several web based irc clients, they're all blocked04:34
fireuntried installing pigdin, but it would crash trying to add accounts04:34
Macerheh.. and that makes maemo suck because....  ? :)04:34
fireunif I'm on a maemo device, I should be able to get to #maemo, right? (:04:35
fireunother channels on freenode are not blocked04:35
fireunI dont have a beef, I just wanted to vent - was very frustrated today with the tablet04:36
fireunit all worked out I guess.  the mmc card had *somehow* gone read only, which I guess happens still?04:36
luke-jrMaps doesn't start ☹04:36
fireunand I couldnt unmount it because "it was in use" yet lsof said it was not in use.04:36
fireunthe usb icon that usually shows only when connected to a pc, is always on now, not sure what thats about. through trying many many combinations of killing apps, changing fstab, rebooting without the mmc in place, I managed to mkdosfs it, reboot and then write to the mmc04:38
fireunfor whatever reason I couldnt turn virtual (swap) memory off when the mmc is read only04:38
fireun(very frustrating)04:38
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fireunbeen bashing at this problem for a couple days - ever since I tried to use the recorder to tape a lecture last wednesday. barely had enough batter left today to record todays lecture. whew.04:39
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fireunhopefully whatever caused the mmc to go read only, doesnt happen again04:40
fireundoes maemo not run fsck on bootup?04:40
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fireunthat was the only thing I could think of, something borked in the fs from a crash, and needed fsck to do something special - but when I ran it by hand, it was uninformative04:41
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GeneralAntillesfireun, pro tip: 770 sucks.04:47
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fireunGeneralAntilles: does it just have fatal hardware design flaws, or could it get better with ubuntu/android/ect later down the pipe?05:00
fireuncuz when it works, it works05:01
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GeneralAntillesfireun, well, it's old, slow and not well supported.05:03
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luke-jrhow do I get IPv6? :/05:09
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fireunGeneralAntilles: well I'm not throwing em out (:05:11
fireunluke-jr: eating the wrong food at a geek potluck05:12
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luke-jrmaemo is laggy ☹05:36
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GeneralAntillesIs swap on?05:38
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* b-man discovers an imager/installer for ubuntu jaunty at and thinks about re-designing it for the nit's :)05:40
zakkmanyone know where i could find a female to female usb adapter? i looked like everywhere in my city and i cannot find one ( Toronto, Canada )05:40
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: no05:44
luke-jrN810 requires swap? :/05:44
luke-jrwtf is maemo-launcher and why does it want 60% memory05:45
GeneralAntillesswap helps a lot05:47
GeneralAntillesmaemo-launcher launches stuff to save memory05:47
luke-jrwell I closed everything and the browser still refuses to open for lack of memory05:51
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Mouseysomething is still OPEN06:01
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bensonzakkm: dealextreme has them, or you could go for an on06:08
bensonotg adapter from electronicsproductonline06:08
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infobotbenson meant: otg adapter from electronicproductonline06:10
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tonyyarussobenson: The extras version of pygtkeditor was broken, but getting it direct from khertan worked.06:24
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slonopotamusi wonder wtf is $DEBLET_RUN_FROM_LINUXRC08:35
slonopotamusit is used in some mer init scripts08:35
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luke-jrso how do you all use the case?08:39
luke-jrI find it a pain to remove the N810 from08:39
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bensonI don't, I use one of briand's HP cases... the N810 sock seems tighter than the N800 one was.08:45
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bensonBesides, a belt-clip frees my pockets up for other stuff.08:47
luke-jrhow about email/calendar?08:48
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luke-jrhaven't got to calendar yet, but Mail and Claws both suck08:49
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bensonModest (aka Mail) isn't near as bad as the old Mail was, and does nicely for reading GMail, imho.08:50
bensonFor writing or searching, I just use a browser.08:50
bensonWebkit FTW on GMail.08:50
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luke-jrI think I heard Mail only lets you access the  inbox..08:51
luke-jrand I use a browser as a browser, not a wannabe mail client08:52
bensonI use GMail on the desktop, so I don't find it troublesome to use the same.08:53
bensonAFAIK, though, Mail, Claws, and various webmails are the only GUI options going.08:53
* luke-jr ponders ssh -X and kmail08:54
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bensonOh, and I don't do calendar stuff, with anything, so no advice there. :P08:57
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* luke-jr ponders if the KDE4 port is usable enough to simply run KMail on Maemo09:08
timelessoh sure09:11
timelessrun yet another lame mail client09:11
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timelessmight i suggest gmail?09:11
* timeless hasn't tortured qmail recently, but it's unlikely to be a holy grail09:11
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luke-jrtimeless: KMail actually works09:14
luke-jrand gmail is just a crappy web wannabe09:14
luke-jrand requires I trust Google with my email09:14
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timelessYou are currently using 3992 MB (54%) of your 7296 MB.09:15
timelessdoes kmail handle that?09:16
timelessi have a quarter million unread conversations09:16
timelessand half a million unread messages09:16
timelessin general most MUAs fail miserably for such a mailbox :)09:17
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* timeless cries09:45
timelessanyone here have an n800/n810?09:45
timelesscorsac: can you open the media player?09:45
timelessdoes it have a file picker somewhere? either from the menu or the toolbar?09:45
Corsaclet me check09:47
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Corsacmenu/clip/open ?09:49
Jucatothe default media player?09:50
JucatoMenu -> Clip -> Open?09:50
timelessso, imagine that 'clip' is a forbidden word09:51
Corsac(hmhm, it doesn't support daap sharing I guess?)09:52
timelessa word that should never appear in any UI09:52
timelessdon't worry about that stuff, please, not my area :)09:52
JucatoFile -> Open? Media -> Open?09:52
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timelessi'm ok w/ Media in the menu09:52
timelessbut what bothers me is the title of the dialog09:52
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timeless'Open media' as a dialog title doesn't make me particularly happy09:53
Jucatothe dialog titles is "Open media clip".. "Open media file"?09:53
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timelessif you think it's ok, it'll be used09:53
* Jucato never really noticed the usage of the word "clip" until now :)09:54
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timelessjucato: i hope you can understand why it's bad? :)09:55
Jucatothinking about it, it's a bit inappropriate. "clip" sort of suggests "a portion of a file"09:55
Jucatoand that's only if you apply it to a multimedia context09:55
timelessit implies *short* segment of something09:55
timelessthere are other meanings of course09:55
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timelesslike if i want to run over the person who picked that word w/ a car09:56
timelessi can clip him09:56
timelessit'd be a much better use09:56
Jucatoor that animated thingy in MS Office apps >:)09:56
timelesshey, he's a Paperclip!09:56
timelessand he has a proper name (Clippy [tm])09:56
Jucatohehe :)09:56
timelessactually, i have no idea if ms tm'd him09:56
Jucato"clip" also reminds me of him/it/die! :)09:57
timelessinteresting, his formal name was "Clippit"09:57
JucatoI'm sure they have him tm'ed, copyrighted, and probably even patented :)09:57
Jucatothey are/have prior art on creating the first ever and most annoying "helper" thingy :)09:58
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Jucatobut as you said, "anywya"...09:58
timelessyeah, i decided to leave that typo alone09:59
* timeless wonders why the applet title has a space at its end09:59
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timelessjucato: are you using en-US or en-GB?10:00
timelessif you don't mind losing the Nokia English (en-FI), you can enable diablo extras-devel10:01
timelessand find the package(s) i'm creating10:01
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timelessok, i think i've locally fixed clip10:03
timelessi can't believe i missed the menu item10:03
* Stskeeps reaches out after the coffee machine10:03
Jucatohm.. not sure I'm ready to mess with locale stuff (specially since I don't know where/how they're set properly)10:03
Jucatowhat's.. "coffee"??10:03
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JucatoI do have extras-devel though10:03
timelessjucato: what it'll do is destroy your Nokia English10:03
timelessbut in its place you'll have something which resembles American English10:04
timelesswhich I would hope you'd find to be a vast improvement10:04
Jucatoas long as it's readable English.. will I be able to go back to the Nokia English? :)10:04
timelessyou can use Nokia Official (British) English10:04
timeless(by selecting en-GB)10:05
timelessbut no, atm there's no undo path10:05
timelessjeremiah is supposed to help me fix that10:05
Jucatohm. ouch. I'll pass for now if you don't mind.10:05
timelessno problem10:05
timelessit's at 0.1.1 atm, 0.1.2 is almost ready10:05
JucatoI'm not really in a mental state to deal with another messed up computer :(10:05
timelessi hope to get the undo path working for a 0.1.310:05
* Jucato doesn't even know how long his hard drive will last this week...10:06
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Jucato(whoa lorn potter...)10:07
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Jucatoheeh sorry. it's like seeing a movie star for the first time :)10:08
JucatoI've only seen him through blogs... and smile at his last name :P10:08
timeless ?10:09
Jucatomore like
Jucatonot being an LJ subscriber, I couldn't confirm the frist link :)10:10
Jucatobut looks like it :)10:10
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timelessyeah, the first link didn't work for me10:14
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timelessgoogle needs to have an icon for 'login required'10:15
timelessor [x] search the open web10:15
ds3or a flag on "paid sites"10:15
Jucatohehe but the Track tab in that page lists 2 articles from him. given that there is probably only one "Lorn Potter" that does anything related to Qt.. I'd say it's probably him :)10:15
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* timeless ponders10:28
StsN800hm, 770 charger is just the usual ac-4 series?10:30
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timelesssounds right10:32
timelessit's compatible w/ the n800/n81010:32
timelessand the e61i10:32
timelessit's nokia charger mach210:32
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Stskeepsgood, don't need to go out and buy a new one then10:35
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herziqgil1: ping11:09
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: <- you should do it the other way around (libhildon1 as transitional, libhildon-1-0 as real)11:14
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mmcare "rootstraps" packaged as debian packages? or should I donwload them manually?11:24
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jjommc: rootstraps are tar.gz packages11:35
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wazdhello world)11:39
t_s_ohmm, the download manager is somewhat annoying, while bluetooth transfers can be saved, then opened, web downloads has to be saved or opened, it cant do both...11:42
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aquatixstupid netsplits11:56
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aquatixwazd: aww11:56
t_s_oand an impressive one at that11:56
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Jucatosplitnode ftw!11:56
wazdworld is back!)11:57
Jucatofor now...11:57
wazdWell, I was here)11:58
wazdI'm not "trans-atlantic" I suppose)11:58
t_s_oerr, whats with the end line )?11:58
Jucatoprobably a new programming language?)11:59
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RST38hmoo all12:01
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RST38hmoo, wazd12:05
Stskeepssuihkulokki: better debian pkg naming or?12:05
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t_s_oJucato: or it could be a lisp variant...12:13
Stskeepssmilies. :P12:14
Jucatooooh right :)12:14
t_s_othose : are important for my analog parser...12:14
Stskeepsno, just cultural differences12:14
wazdStskeeps: check it out, I've made an illustration for the post :)12:14
t_s_owhats with the lighter?12:15
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wazdt_s_o: it will have Mer to :)12:15
Jucatothe only odd thing there is the beagleboard.. it's not blue12:16
t_s_oheh, careful, your playing with fire ;)12:16
Stskeepswazd: hah:)12:16
t_s_oi think the early gens where red12:16
wazdJucato: is it blue? O_o12:16
Stskeepsi would focus more on touch devices12:16
wazdall images I've found are red12:16
t_s_ono scrap that, i misunderstood12:17
Jucatowell the ps3 ain't blue either. but. meh :)12:17
t_s_oJucato: blu-ray? ;)12:17
Jucatohahah :)12:17
wazdWell, red is recognizagle)12:17
Jucatowait.. is that a tamagochi thingy? O.o12:18
wazdJucato: yep)12:18
t_s_oyep, and thanks, i could not recall what it was called...12:18
* Jucato will buy one and install mer)12:18
Jucatoor will there be one for sale that comes with mer preinstalled? :D12:18
JaffaX-Fade: ping12:19
X-FadeJaffa: pong.12:19
JaffaX-Fade: the two most recent articles in /community/council/ aren't showing up on planet12:20
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X-FadeJaffa: I'll check it out.12:24
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JaffaX-Fade: ta12:25
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lardmanmorning all12:37
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Jaffalo lardman12:54
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lardmanhey Jaffa13:13
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X-FadeHeh, sure let the guy living in NL pick a venue for the next summit. Thanks ;)13:23
lardmanX-Fade: :p13:24
lardmanX-Fade: have you been on holiday? or elsewhere?13:24
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X-Fadelardman: Yeah, was in Austria. Skiing.13:24
lardmancool, well this is your penance then ;)13:25
timelessx-fade: so... i've pushed a new zip13:25
timelessw/ a bunch of changes13:25
lardmanfriend of mine just came back from somewhere skiish with a cracked spine13:25
timelessone warning, it bumps the version recs from 0.1.1 to 0.1.213:25
X-FadeYeah, always stick tasks on the one who is not paying attention ;)13:26
X-Fadetimeless: Well, if you don't mess anything up, I should not be needed :)13:28
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qgil1herzi: pong13:37
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timelessanyone here using my localization?13:40
timelessif you tap the battery item13:40
timeless(and you aren't charging!)13:40
timelessshould there be a : at the end of the first line? :)13:41
Stskeepsmm, it is nice being at a university with a forum nokia contact, now i can try n810 and get HW support going :)13:41
* timeless kicks forum nokia13:41
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timelessit doesn't know to which side of the pond it belongs!13:41
timelessand it can't spell 'Fund', or was it 'fund', it really wasn't sure13:42
timelessqgil1: nothing personal, it was nice to be able to give an n810 to someone13:42
timeless(who's now helping me localize)13:42
timelessbut gah13:42
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wazdI can install and test it :)13:42
timelessi', off to lunch/breakfast13:43
timelessi'll be back from there13:43
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Stskeepseh, ok, so people complain about Nokia and ogg..13:48
Stskeepswhy is the ogg files on the MMC in navicore then? :P13:48
wazdtimeless: I think it should be13:48
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wazd <- Wow! Sexy rugged phone! Nowai13:51
wazdI thought "brutal unattractive bricl look" is an ISO standart :)13:52
glass14degs of cold?13:52
RST38h"14 degrees of cold" sounds meek13:52
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glassthats like my last night out13:52
glass5800 worked fine13:52
wazdRST38h: maybe 14F :)13:52
RST38hwazd: This looks like an e61 ripoff13:52
glassrebranded htc stuff like usually from imate?13:53
glassimates had nice booths at mwc traditionally tho13:53
wazdRST38h: Don't think that it will stand 140C :D13:53
wazdRST38h: User won't stand it xD13:53
RST38h14oF ~= -10oC13:54
wazdRST38h: hm13:55
wazdRST38h: And 87oF is?)13:55
RST38hwho knows13:55
Stskeepswazd: did you blog yet btw?13:55
wazdStskeeps: nope, working on mockups right now)13:56
* RST38h just remembers that the guy used his asshole temperature for 100o13:56
Stskeepswazd: alright13:56
Stskeeps <- i so want to run Mer on this.13:57
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Stskeeps'lo andrewfblack, kozak14:01
Stskeepskozak: beagleboard port runs almost directly on pandora developer board too :)14:02
herziqgil1: I have issues with logging in on to submit an application14:02
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kozakStskeeps: Would like to know more on the beagle board port....14:03
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qgil1herzi: the good news is that I'm not responsible of that  :)  X-Fade perhaps14:04
X-Fadeherzi: What is the problem?14:05
herziX-Fade: after I entered my login data, I trigger an http-500 error14:06
X-Fadeherzi: Hmm that should not happen.14:06
X-Fadeherzi: Where do you try to login? ?14:08
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herziclicked on login on the top14:09
herziand after entering my data i get this:14:11
herziServer Error14:11
herziObject does not exist14:11
herziError 50014:11
herzi  Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:10:55 +020014:11
herzi  Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.314:11
X-Fadeherzi: Can you visit and then login?14:11
herzithat gives the same error14:11
herzi(when trying to visit the logout page, I see the same error)14:12
X-Fadeherzi: And now?14:12
X-FadeThat was almost to fast to test. Are you sure there is no cache playing up?14:13
herziI press ctrl-shift-r in the browser, thus skipping its caches...14:13
herziand the site ony works for my after I delete a cookie14:14
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herzithe "midcom_services_auth_backend_simple-maemoorg" from ""14:14
X-Fadeherzi: Ok, I see the same problem in our user manager for your account.14:16
X-FadeYou are member of some deleted groups.14:16
X-Fadeherzi: Needs some fixing, I'll ping you when we're done..14:17
herzicool, how long will it take? 1hour, 1day, 1 week?14:18
X-Fadeherzi: Should be fixed today ;)14:18
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X-FadeNeed to fix it globally as you're probably not the only one.14:18
herziI'll get you a beer if we ever meet :-)14:18
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X-Fadeherzi: Thanks for reporting it.14:22
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wazdah, thoughtfix wants capacitive touchscreen14:25
wazdWhy not make just more sensitive resistive14:26
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RST38hwazd: A lot of people have heard that mighty iPhone has got a capacitive touchscreen but few understand what it entails14:32
RST38hwazd: Apple is very good at hiding technology shortcomings ;)14:32
Stskeepsaquatix: i am personally waiting for /mysterious-maemo-platform-spreads-across-globe14:33
X-Fadeherzi: Can you try to log in now?14:35
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RST38hTexas Instruments ALO does an Android "phone":
Stskeepsisn't that a slightly more expensive pandora? :P14:38
aquatixStskeeps: :)14:38
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RST38hSts: It is bigger!14:38
andrewfblackfor that price I would get that thing sony makes and just run full linux on it14:39
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StskeepsRST38h: yes, but .. it is actually in production and being sold14:40
RST38handrew: That would make you a traitor to the OMAP3 cult14:40
andrewfblacktrue but I think I might even have a little more money in my pocket14:40
* andrewfblack needs to figure out how to do right click on Mer:LXDE14:41
aquatixandrewfblack: bt mouse?14:41
Stskeepsandrewfblack: libgtkstylus14:42
wazdah, I'm kinda sick of that "black glossy brick" design(14:42
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herziX-Fade: works with many many many php warnings14:45
herziNotice:  Undefined property:  midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 23114:45
herzi^^ this one gets repeated all over14:45
X-FadeOk, we'll investigate that one ;)14:46
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X-Fadeherzi: Can you try it again? :)14:50
herziI still see these notices14:51
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X-Fadeherzi: Exact same or did something change?14:52
herziten times this: Notice:  Undefined property:  midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 23114:52
herzior will I have to log-out/re-login?14:53
X-Fadeherzi: Try that.14:53
X-FadeOr try another https url to be sure that there is no cache..14:53
herzioh yeah, seems to be fixed14:53
X-FadeGreat ;)14:54
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X-Fadeherzi: FWIW:
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wazdStskeeps: bout the tap on the app's icon in quickswitcher row15:04
wazdStskeeps: I think it's pretty native way to minimize app15:04
lbtcan the touchpad differentiate between a stylus and a finger?15:04
Stskeepswazd: true15:04
wazdlbt: kind of15:05
Stskeepslbt: i think they tried initially15:05
lbtit seems fraught15:05
lbtbut I wondered :)15:05
lbtgestures donchaknow15:05
Stskeepsi guess it would technically be possible15:06
lbtdepends on the hardware15:06
X-Fadelbt: The touchscreen gives out an array of points in a certain time when pressing with your finger.15:06
wazdthe only problem right now is "home" button :) Where to place it15:06
lbtX-Fade: yes - that's what I wondered15:06
lbtso 'spread'15:07
X-Fadelbt: when max-x - min-x and max-y - min-y is a certain value, it is not a stylus anymore ;)15:07
lbtwhere's that calc?15:07
lbtand how might it pass through X1115:07
* lbt wonders15:07
X-FadeI have no idea. I know that gtk has presure info available though..15:08
lbtis pressure==spread?15:08
lbtor independent?15:08
lbttechnically I'd expect the stylus to exert more pressure15:09
lbtsince it has a tiny tip15:09
lbtthis could I guess be done using strain calcs15:09
X-FadeI think it is independent, but not sure. There was some drawing app which used pressure.15:09
X-Fadelbt: But open the sketch app and press 2 fingers on the screen at the same time.15:10
lbtI'll leave some comments in the code for now...15:10
X-FadeAnd see a dot exactly in the middle ;)15:10
lbtyes - but I wonder if pressure comes from measuring the matrix spread15:10
X-FadeCould be.15:10
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lbtit does15:11
lbt2 styluses and it doesn't work15:11
* timelE61i blinks15:11
lbtie the screen gives a nasty lcd blur when you push15:11
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lbtbut the pressure reading (ie middle point)15:11
lbtdoesn't change15:11
* lbt won't press too hard next time15:12
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lbtanyhow, gotta go - back l8r - cheers15:12
herzidoes anyone know if there's a rootstrap for os2008he?15:12
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lbtooh - damn.... now I've seen it I'll have to use it....15:14
X-FadeYeah, with code and all ;)15:14
* lbt wonders if Qt can add a flag to mouseEvent....15:14
lbtdid you see
lbt(in high quality too!)15:15
qwerty12lbt, looks good15:16
lbtand to use it it's as simple as      gw->connect(desc, Gesture("r l r "), this, SLOT(desc_clicked()));15:17
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lbtwhich I think is rather easy15:17
lbtof course the gui is too fiddly but that's a scale thing now...15:17
lbtanyhow, now I'm late....15:17
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timelE61ihey, could someone tell me where i could get "gettext" for diablo? I have it in mer... (my network is very flaky)15:23
qwerty12timelE61i, it's in the diablo sdk repo15:24
_berto_timelE61i: I think it's in the doctools devkit15:24
_berto_no, it's not15:24
_berto_it's in the repo15:24
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StskeepstimelE61i: intltool?15:28
Stskeepsoh, diablo15:28
timelE61isdk = break my device?15:28
qwerty12Not if you enable it, apt-get install gettext and disable the repo15:28
timelE61iAll i want is msgunfmt btw15:28
qwerty12That's all I needed it for when I removed nokia's battery preaching message ;)15:28
timelE61iQwerty: my locale fixes that?15:29
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qwerty12timelE61i, this was long time before your locales and I moved on to use advanced-power since :)15:29
timelE61iQwerty/gan/x-fade: would you cry if i changed ham's "Disabled" to "Do not use"?15:35
timelE61i(in the catalog editor)15:35
qwerty12It doesn't bother me personally, it still sounds like it makes sense to me :)15:35
pupnik__really want to have hw accel mpeg4 encoding on next tablet ...15:37
pupnik__that would clinch a lot of sales mang15:37
pupnik__yes from hires cam15:38
pupnik__you want to bog down system during a video call?15:38
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RST38hDigital cameras do hw assisted mpeg4 encoding15:40
RST38hSo why not the tablet15:40
pupnik__i imagine so many uses for ip video calls15:41
pupnik__some guy down at the production line calling his manager15:41
pupnik__no look, *this* part is broken!15:41
timelE61iAny opinion?15:41
pupnik__i cant offer one timeless15:42
* timelE61i nods15:42
* timelE61i grumbles15:45
* timelE61i kicks xterm15:45
JaffatimelE61i: "Disabled" vs "Do not use"?15:47
timelE61iOr suggest something else15:47
JaffatimelE61i: "Do not use" sounds like it could be confusing if the user didn't enable it15:47
timelE61iThis is only for the checkbox15:48
timelE61iDo not use: [x]15:48
JaffaIndeed, but I can see it being read as "Should *I* not use it, or is this the tablet?" IYSWIM15:48
* Jaffa started liking "Do not use", but now's at "Disabled" being better15:49
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timelE61iDisable - no d?15:49
JaffaOooh, tricky.15:49
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JaffaThere must be a style guide for that? (I'm not willing to comment given the slapping I got for suggesting "*The* device" over "Device".15:50
* timelE61i wonders about ken770 in garage15:50
timelE61iwho slapped over that?15:50
timelE61iNote that "device" is dead15:50
timelE61iOnly tablet lives :)15:50
JaffaAndre was quoting the internal ticket15:50
timelE61iIgnore the internals15:50
timelE61iThere's a reason i'm here15:51
JaffatimelE61i: on that restart bug, #403115:51
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timelE61iAndre: look for colour selector (bugs changed this week) :)15:51
* timelE61i rotfl15:52
timelE61ihave they read their help files?15:52
timelE61iHow to do something is the nokia help style15:53
timelE61iYou open a widget; ask for help15:53
timelE61iIt says "to get where you are, do this: ...!"15:53
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JaffatimelE61i: good grief15:54
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* GeneralAntilles is baffled by people on itT.16:04
geoaxishello people, i would like to bring attention to google summer of code to  maemo devs16:04
geoaxisi have participated in other projects in previous years, but since i am a new owner of a nokia n810, i would love to work for maemo for this summer of code, if possible16:05
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: which thread now?16:05
GeneralAntillesJaffa, Tegra thread16:06
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* GeneralAntilles really needs a new machine.16:06
GeneralAntillesMy clipboard is too slow to keep up with my shortcuts. :(16:07
pupnik_let me guess, kde16:08
GeneralAntillespupnik_, OS X.16:08
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Mekgeoaxis: see
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GeneralAntillesThat's a rather sexy devkit:
Stskeeps  it's the pandora16:15
glassa huge devboard is right16:16
GeneralAntillesActually, the soft keys kinda remind me of a giant distorted Moto Q.16:17
Meizirkkiit looks like 800x480 screen16:20
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RST38hPentagon boffinry chiefs have announced that they would like some self-aware computer systems capable of "meta-reasoning" and "introspection". The plan is to place these machine intelligences in command of heavily armed, well-nigh invulnerable robotic tanks16:30
RST38hWhat can go wrong? =)16:30
glassdunno, what can go wrong with a human in charge16:30
RST38hglass: Human is easier to dispose of.16:31
glassnot necessarely16:31
suihkulokkilike in the killdozer case?16:31
glassbombing a tank that has nobody in it is not a big deal16:31
glassbombing a tank that has a grunt, even if slightly mad, is a big deal16:32
RST38hsuih: Hey, the killdozer guys was SMART16:32
RST38hMost humans are not like him16:32
glassyeah most humans who want to die don't bother with building a tank16:32
RST38hglass: notice that wanting to die wasn't at the top of his todo list16:33
RST38hglass: that is a sure sign of a smart person16:33
glassyeah if you're going to go might just as well do something with it16:34
glassthats not the way a depressed person does things16:34
RST38hglass: maybe he wasn't depressed, OR he was smart enough to deal with his depression constructively16:35
glasswell, if it was constructive or not is up to discussion :D16:35
glassburned with hate perhaps16:35
glassanyways, he didn't want to be a normo16:35
RST38hglass: Surely he got even, goal reached, that is constructive16:35
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lardmanhmm, "looks like 3G tablet is just rumours at this point" - very strange16:37
glasswho said that?16:37
RST38hlardman: depends on who is writing this16:37
lardmanjust sent to maemo-devel list16:37
glassyou gotta remember, lots and lots and lots of idiots want to be mobile journalists16:37
lardmanthe "3G model?" thread16:38
glassand experts16:38
glassif you ask nokia as a pr person, thats probably what you'd get as answer, that it's just rumours.. i guess16:38
RST38hglass <-- apparently understood that "idiots" and "journalists" are the same thing =)16:38
glassi should head home16:38
GeneralAntillesHow are there so many people who don't know anything about the next tablet. . . .16:38
glassRST38h: pretty much so :D16:38
GeneralAntillesglass, the armchair mobile analysts make me crazy.16:39
glassGeneralAntilles: well, if they werent idiots, they wouldn't be armchair analysts16:39
RST38hI hope you are not saying that we can't analyze available data?16:40
glassand if the idiot journos knew something, they wouldn't be journalists16:40
glass(pay reasons)16:40
lbtI don't like    [ ] Disabled.              I think        [ ] Usage challenged           is far more PC16:40
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I'm saying that people who don't have a clue should STFU. ;)16:41
RST38hGeneral: But not having a clue opens such wide analytic opportunities! =)16:42
lardmanGeneralAntilles: +116:44
wazdNow I'm sick of three words: Crysis, Social network and Competitor :)16:44
lardmanwhat's wrong with crysis?16:45
lbtwell Crysis is a new word16:45
lardmanor a game :)16:45
RST38hwazd:Why no iPhone in the list?16:45
lbtyou can't be sick of it - it's only 5 irc lines old16:45
lardmanwazd: s/cyrsis/crisis16:45
RST38hlbt: Crisis.16:45
* RST38h usually spells it as Crazies, so he can't complain16:45
lbtwhat crisis?16:45
lardman :)16:46
wazdoh, mai ingleesh iz bed :(16:46
lardmanno :) easy mistake to make16:46
wazdbut whatever, I'm sick of crisis :)16:47
wazdIt's fricking everywhere)16:47
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RST38hwazd: and never come back =)16:47
lbtturn the TV off and it goes away16:47
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wazdlbt: I don't watch the tv but it still follows me :(16:48
lbtwazd: do what I did16:50
lbtlose your job and stay at home....16:50
lbtno more crisis ;)16:50
wazdI'm gonna write my very own post without that words :)16:50
wazdlbt: already did it :(16:50
matmohi all. I have a vague memory of problems with local network connections when not on-line, anyone with better memory? Maybe it is this bug:
* GeneralAntilles is just glad he can hide from stupid article discussions on LinuxDevices.16:50
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Stskeepswoo, me haz a 770 now16:52
qwerty12it came? :)16:52
Stskeepsthose things are amazingily light really16:52
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X-FadeStskeeps: Ah, so you now have them all? :)16:53
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aquatixgotta catch'em all!16:53
RST38hexcept for N9x0 of course16:53
StskeepsX-Fade: hehe, 770, n800 at home and a n810 at work (borrowed from forum nokia contact :P)16:53
Stskeepsi will do a photo of mer on all of them at some point :P16:53
Stskeepsbut i immediately get hit by the 802.11n network bug, heh16:55
matmoI still like the 770's design16:55
Stskeepsi was amazed how lighter it is than n800 and n810 :P16:56
X-FadeStskeeps: And I don't think that wifi works on 770 for Mer?16:56
StskeepsX-Fade: it does, but i need to debug some things16:56
Stskeepsand i didn't get wifi working in Maemo yet either :P16:56
lardmanStskeeps: is it lighter or just less dense?16:56
X-Fadelardman: No it is a bit lighter.16:57
Stskeepslardman: i am not sure, but my first impression was that it was lighter16:57
lardmanah fair enough16:57
aquatixfor the perl programmers among you:
lbtfabulous isn't it16:58
lbtI just can't see C/C++ coders creating that16:59
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lbtPHP people maybe........using crayons....16:59
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* RST38h prints the table17:00
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Stskeepslo moontiger17:12
moontigerStskeeps, yo!! :)17:12
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johnxweather turned coolish again here...I am not amused17:22
Stskeepsi'm charging the new 77017:22
johnxwow! fast delivery17:22
johnxso what do you think about the formfactor?17:22
Stskeepsit is lighter than my n80017:23
Stskeepsi think it might be purse-able for the gf17:23
johnxshe must carry a small purse :) my wife's definition of purse is something he could throw her old Toshiba 15.4" laptop in O_o17:23
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aquatixjohnx: those luggable trunks? :)17:24
Stskeepswe are adding nokia changes to HAL, can you verify they don't break zaurus when it is built?17:25
johnxsure, but zaurus doesn't do much specific stuff with HAL17:25
Stskeepsstill, but if it segfaults its not good ;)17:25
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matmoha, my memory is not so bad. Posted nearly 2yrs ago "Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected " ( Anyone know if this is just a browser problem and/or what the current situation is?17:29
CorsacStskeeps: that will enable mer to have battery stuff working?17:29
Stskeepsmatmo: i think timeless discussed it the other day17:30
StskeepsCorsac: no, but it will help on Fn and some other things, like, sensors17:30
Stskeepsmatmo: yeah17:30
matmook, I will check logs, thanks17:30
StskeepsCorsac: battery stuff is in the brewery :P17:31
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qwerty12_merDid daperl get around to publishing/giving hints about his current work btw?17:32
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Jaffamatmo: Browser has some specific hacks17:32
Stskeepsi will prod him next time he's here17:32
Stskeepsit's intentional i don't develop it myself so17:32
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matmoJaffa: ok, thanks17:34
Jaffamatmo: but its an icd bug17:34
matmoJaffa: oh, so any locally based sockets based client/server will have same problem?17:34
Stskeepsif the app cares about ICD17:35
Jaffamatmo: if the client uses libconic/icd, yes.17:35
qwerty12_merJaffa, I'd have thought it was an browser problem because the app is requesting a connection?17:35
wazdok, I've done the post17:35
wazdwaiting for draft to save17:35
Jaffaqwerty12_mer: The browser says to libconic, "I want to talk to localhost" - it's an icd problem in that  it doesn't realise that hostname is the tablet itself.17:36
wazdcause that stupid wordpress asses cant fix my publishing layout17:36
matmoI'm only interested in a client making a connection using "localhost" or "" if needed. I'm not familiar with libconic. Will using avoid the problem?17:37
Jaffaqwerty12_mer: The browser-specific hack does, indeed, not talk to libconic if hostname == localhost, but what if /etc/hposts has some other string which resolves to
Jaffamatmo: I can't remember. timeless would know - and there's a bug in bugzilla which goes into more detail17:37
qwerty12_merJaffa, ah :), I'd have thought that the browser would have avoided libconic if it was localhost :)17:38
matmoJaffa: is that the bug I link to above at 14.40 ?17:38
Jaffamatmo: yup, that is'17:39
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GeneralAntillesStill no new Council posts on pmo. . . .17:39
Jaffaqwerty12_mer: it does, but it's a workaround :)17:39
* GeneralAntilles is now tired of looking at more of ThoughtFix's iPhone- and netbook-envy silliness.17:39
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qwerty12_merJaffa, ah, I evidently don't know what I am talking about so I shall step back :17:40
matmoJaffa: then from reading that it is not considered a bug. I need to know if I create a local server that the user is not going to get prompted to go on line.17:41
Jaffawazd: nice - although it's a bit confusing in the first few shots that you can see *some* of the Tasks content with it unselected. Perhaps all of them should be like an accordion?17:41
johnxGeneralAntilles, you're right: the tegra craziness is quite odd17:41
Stskeepswazd: home screen tasks bar, vertical, where does home screen go?17:42
Stskeepser, horiz17:42
GeneralAntillesI bet a lot of it simply has to do with brand recognition.17:42
GeneralAntillesGPUs are popular with the young people, calculators are not. ;)17:42
wazdStskeeps: it's under Mer menu, it's not shown without Mer menu17:43
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RST38hWithout any NIT news frm Nokia, people will follow any device that looks even remotely like a NIT17:43
Stskeepswazd: k17:43
RST38hSo, I do not see what you find odd17:43
johnxGeneralAntilles, in fact I think I said something similar, :) but the lack of love for the snapdragon is strange, in comparison17:43
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qwerty12_merGeneralAntilles, well... I do find cheating popular with young people..17:43
GeneralAntillesQualcomm doesn't give enough details on anything for it to be interesting. ;)17:44
johnxthought they had a demo or something...but basically it's an A8 running close to 1GHz17:44
johnxpretty easy to guess how it will perform (in CPU bound tasks) compared to an OMAP317:45
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GeneralAntillesI'm interested to see what sort of battery life they get out of that.17:45
johnxgood compared to the atom probably :)17:45
johnxit's a netbook part IIRC17:45
johnxwill be interesting to see if they can really find a market17:45
GeneralAntillesDidn't they have it in a cellular device?17:45
RST38hGeneral: I have got datasheet on iMX.3117:45
RST38hgeneral: It is pretty good17:46
GeneralAntillesHow is Freescale's Linux support, anyway?17:50
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johnxthey keep popping up on RSS feed, but I've never used anything with a freescale let alone a freescale part running linux17:50
GeneralAntillesDoes anybody actually use them?17:51
johnxpandora was going to. probably some winmo phones are using freescale parts. probably some nas boxes and routers too17:51
RST38hGeneral: non existant17:51
GeneralAntillesI've been really impressed with TI's Linux support.17:52
RST38hGeneral: Depends on the chip though, because Freescale is mainly a reseller17:52
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johnxthe most notable thing about TI's linux support is how much it's improved in such a short time17:53
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johnxalso how much they seem to 'get it'17:53
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GeneralAntillesActually, TI's good support is part of why the Tegra insanity bothers me so much. ;)17:54
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Corsac too bad it runs winmo...17:54
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johnxGeneralAntilles, luckily the semi-informed masses don't really work into the equation at all17:55
GeneralAntillesHehe, true.17:55
RST38hGeneral: There is no Tegra insanity17:55
RST38hGeneral: There is NVidia trying to monetize on its IP in mobile market17:55
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johnxRST38h, from forum fanboys there is some strange tegra worship. that's what we're talking about17:55
RST38hgeneral: And there is a bunch of Maemo folks forced to discuss various crap while Maemo is in limbo17:56
aquatixCorsac: interesting17:56
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aquatixCorsac: too bad for wince indeed17:56
RST38hjohnx: Fanboys are like that. They are also known to flip between awe and hate toward the same subject really quick17:56
johnxRST38h, it's on engadget and gizmodo comments too. it's just funny because there aren't/weren't xscale or omap3 or snapdragon fanboys17:57
johnxnvidia just generates that kind of buzz I guess17:57
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johnxit's like if there was this sudden fanboy outbreak excited about a brand of shoe laces17:58
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RST38hjohnx: the initial presentation form nvidia was kinda stunning indeed17:59
GeneralAntillesHa, apparently Burger King wants to be Krystal now.18:00
RST38hjohnx: + you have already got a base of nvidia fanboys from gaming world18:00
RST38hGeneral: Krysa (rus.) - a rat18:00
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johnxGeneralAntilles, that sounds kind of like a hooker/pornstar name18:00
RST38humgh...shouldn't have looked at this url18:01
GeneralAntillesI want some Steak'n'Shake now. . .18:01
* hanno had hopes for news on an N810 successor device from MWC.18:02
hannoany news?18:02
GeneralAntilleshanno, no.18:02
Stskeepswe'll see alpha SDK first18:03
GeneralAntillesGonna be another month or two at least.18:03
* hanno sighs.18:03
GeneralAntillesAlpha SDK is coming shortly and it'll have the new UI, anyway.18:03
wazdGeneralAntilles: how shortly?)18:03
hannoA befriended journalist who visits MWC wrote me that he thinks Nokia will kill the tablet since it's too geeky, anyway.18:04
* hanno sold his N810 months ago in the hopes of an upcoming successor device.18:04
Stskeepshanno: they're using an awful lot of money on it if they are killing it :P18:04 'krystal' and hit the image search (but only if you're not at work)18:04
GeneralAntilleshanno, then he's not paying very good attention.18:04
wazdhanno: we already discussed journalists here xD18:04
wazdjohnx: Krystal Steal?))18:04
Jaffawazd: shortly enough18:05
GeneralAntilleshanno, the good news to take away from the delayed announcement is that you'll be waiting less time between announcement and shipping. :)18:05
roopeAlpha SDK will show some parts of the new UI. Not all, afaik. there's the beta coming soon after.18:05
roopewhich afaik has it all.18:05
* hanno is having bad withdrawal symptoms.18:06
hannomy netbook just doesn't cut it.18:06
Stskeepsif i glue this 770 and n800 together i have a very cool nintendo ds..18:06
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johnxStskeeps, you're just short one decent d-pad :)18:07
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GeneralAntillesIt's unfortunate they went back to the crap stylus with the N81018:07
GeneralAntillesThe N800's stylus is one of the better ones.18:08
* aquatix almost never uses styli anyway18:08
GeneralAntillesYeah, neither do I.18:08
GeneralAntillesBut still.18:08
johnxone day I'll find a way to get one...18:09
* Stskeeps ponders how difficult it would be to set up nfs boot on 77018:09
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I can bring one of my backups to the Summit if you'd like.18:09
johnxsure, if you're not using it18:10
GeneralAntillesI've got 4 extras18:10
geoaxisMek: yeah , thanks18:10
GeneralAntillesI don't lose styluses. ;)18:10
* johnx ponders all the devices he'll be lugging18:10
matmoJaffa: thanks for pointing me to timeless discussion. Clear as mud now :-) See ya.18:11
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Stskeepshmm, usbnet RDNIS was not yet broken in 770 was it?18:11
StskeepsNDIS, that is18:11
qwerty12No, broken by nokia since 2.6.2118:11
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wazdme wants new UI...18:12
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Stskeepsboy, this thing needs mer..18:18
X-FadeIt sure does :)18:18
jeremiahWas that you who blogged abou the Mer UI Stskeeps? Good post!18:19
Stskeepsjeremiah: nop, wazd, i am horrid in that area18:19
X-Fadejeremiah: No that was wazd ;)18:19
Stskeeps.. does 770 even do WPA2?18:19
jeremiahwazd: Good post!18:20
jeremiahNow, back to hacking in my rootstrap . . .18:20
wazdjeremiah: thanks)18:21
X-FadeHeh, jeremiah gets to know the joys of Scratchbox ;)18:21
* Stskeeps gets out the emergency vodka18:22
jeremiahDid someone say vodka?18:22
Stskeepsooh. you'll be fun at the next summit :>18:22
X-Fadewazd: What does the 'All' icon do?18:22
jeremiahIm shuree ull be reeeel funn. *hic*18:23
jeremiahYeah, I like that All hand icon. But what does it do?18:23
wazdX-Fade: well, I planned it to sow all the stuff from all categories. Mostly for large screens (works as Personal Menu)18:24
X-Fadewazd: But how would you show 50 icons ? :)18:24
wazdMy next post would be bout large screen layout18:24
X-FadeAh ;)18:25
X-FadeGot to step out for a while. BBL.18:25
* hanno realizes how much he's out of touch with current status of Maemo.18:26
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hannoUhm, is Mer somehow part of an upcoming N900 device? Or is this completely independent?18:26
johnxhanno, the latter :)18:26
johnxbut Nokia is being helpful18:27
* jeremiah downloads raw mer image to run in virtualbox18:28
Stskeepsgrab vmdk18:29
Stskeepsit is more sane18:29
Stskeepseven for virtualbox18:29
jeremiahOkay, will do18:29
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hannoIs there a list of Mer hardware platforms people use out there?18:30
Stskeeps770, n800, n810, beagleboard, pocket loox, pandora devel board.. x86 (vmware, my laptop, virtualbox, parrallels)18:31
johnxbut anything with a vga screen, 64MB (optimally 128MB+), that can boot ubuntu is a potential mer target :)18:31
Stskeepsor debian-armel (eventually=18:33
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wazdI think with dpi setting even lowres screens can handle mer18:41
johnxlots of resources are fixed size though...18:41
Stskeepsright, now how do i pop ze battery..18:43
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Stskeepsah, there18:44
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, as with all tablets, tap it on your palm. :P18:46
qwerty12Is it too late to recommend a knife? :)18:47
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if his cellphone will die if he uses it as a rootfs over usb host.18:49
johnxyour cellphone has usb host?18:50
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, that'd be NFS over 3G? ;)18:50
Stskeepsoh. better yet. use n800 as usb mass storage.18:50
qwerty12johnx, use the phone in mass storage mode I guess18:50
johnxah, getting a 770 into usb host mode is kind of a PITA though, isn't it?18:51
Stskeepswe'll see18:51
timelesshello cruel world18:52
timelessandre__:ping ping ping ping ping18:52
timelesscruel world: ping18:52
qwerty12timeless, you make it cruel by inflicting your horrible locales upon us. :P18:52
timelessif you were to start a device and it gave you two things you could change18:52
timeless1. "Language"18:53
GeneralAntillesIs that the sound of hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P18:53
timeless2. "Region"18:53
timelesswhich of those two should influence the way a date stamp should be displayed18:53
timelessand how18:53
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Is that the sound off hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P18:53
timelessfor simplicity, LAnguage = Italian18:53
timelessRegion= USA18:53
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andre__damn reconnect crap18:54
johnxhave to agree with GeneralAntilles here18:54
timelesswhat should happen for a date (December 25, 2010, GMT, 14 hours past day start)18:54
timelessandre__ i need help delivering a fatal death blow18:54
timelessandre__ : feel free to leak whichever bits are necessary18:54
timelessthen collect sufficient lightning to strike18:54
andre__delivering it? let me be the messenger of destruction!18:54
* timeless goes to seek some internal help from Emeritus people18:55
andre__date format depends on regional settings, not on device language18:55
GeneralAntillesFinish him!18:55
jeremiahStskeeps: Has anyone every booted Mer in a Virtualbox machine?18:57
Stskeepsjeremiah: yeah, i use it18:57
johnxsame here18:57
* qwerty12 uses it in VMWare18:57
johnxit's disturbingly fast18:57
lardmantimeless: I'd be tempted to say let the user change it anyway - for example I use Imperial units for long distances - miles, but metric for short - cm, etc18:57
jeremiahStskeeps: It is giving me an error of "no bootable medium found."18:58
Stskeepsjeremiah: hmmm. sure you added the hd?18:58
* Jaffa 's not used 0.8 in VirtualBox18:58
Jaffajeremiah: followed the instructions in the wiki? ;-)18:58
Stskeepswell, grabbed the vmdk, added it to the media manager and added it to the virtual machine18:58
jeremiahJaffa: I do believe so.18:58
jeremiahI have a bunch of nicely working vms in Virtualbox already18:59
Stskeepsand it says mer-x86-generic-image-v0.8.vmdk in the virtual machine description (2,00gb) ?18:59
Jaffa FWIW18:59
Stskeeps(and not .zip)18:59
jeremiahStskeeps: Yes. (I unziped it.) :)18:59
Stskeepsjeremiah: just checking :>18:59
jeremiahStskeeps: I understand, one has to ask this kind of question. ;)19:00
Stskeepsjeremiah: until we get some kind of understanding of your skill, yes ;)19:00
jeremiahnp, I got nothin' to hide. :)19:00
timelE61iaNdre: so, please deliver lightning strike, and fire+brimstone19:01
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jeremiahI did download a new version of Virtualbox19:01
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andre__timelE61i, let me get my old WMDs that i still have under my bed...19:02
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udovdhanybody here has a working bitbake setup for n810?19:04
timelE61ii'll reimburse you if your strike works :)19:04
Stskeepsthe 770 usb host trick is not just the use of F-F cable is it?19:04
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, you need a power injector.19:04
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and powered usb hub doesn't do the trick i guess19:05
Stskeeps(like with n800)19:05
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johnxIIUC power needs to be going *back into the 770* as well19:06
johnxscary, huh?19:07
Stskeepsyes, after i recall the guy who fried his 770 to do Deblet..19:07
johnxwas just about to mention that19:07
jeremiahStskeeps: Do you have an ISO format, I think virtualbox does not like the VMDK19:07
jeremiahTime to bust out some googling19:08
Stskeepsjeremiah: no sorry, we do have raw :P but vmdk should work fine19:08
johnxit's working nicely here on ubuntu's (8.10) virtualbox19:09
jeremiahHmm. Won't fly in Virtualbox 2.1.4, can't find bootable media.19:10
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Stskeepsand it is listed as a HD?19:10
jeremiahGoogle tells me that VMDK should work, as you said.19:10
Jaffa0.7 worked in VirtualBox PUEL from (on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10)19:10
jeremiahDo you mean listed as a hard drive?19:10
johnxcould you maybe put up a screenshot of your 'details' tab from the main virtualbox window?19:11
johnxalso, you're not using an alternate virtualbox frontend right?19:11
johnxI couldn't make it work in the gtk version for some reason...19:11
jeremiahI will post a screenshot.19:12
johnxhmm, 2.1.4? Stskeeps what version of vbox are you using?19:13
Stskeeps2.1.0, on my x8619:13
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jeremiahYeah, virtualbox just released a new version today which I am running. :/19:14
jeremiahNot always good to be early adopter.19:14
johnxwell, I'll install it and see if things break :)19:15
JaffaDoes the changelog contain "toggle don't-work switch to true"19:15
wazdthats awesome)19:15
wazdholy crap, thats very nice!19:16
JaffaDoesn't actually look *useful* though (and is a bit laggy on the sideways swipes - could just be youtube)19:17
johnxtexture thrashing maybe?19:17
qwerty12Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get of the underground for example?19:18
infobotqwerty12 meant: Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get off the underground for example?19:18
wazdwho cares bout usability with this)19:18
wazdIt's very pretty)19:18
Jaffaqwerty12: indeed, most of these whizzy UIs (and the non-whizzy ones like Maemo) aren't very usable bouncing around on public transport19:18
wazdAnd it's fresh looking19:19
timelE61iwAzd: just wait until you have a pannable country picker19:20
timelE61iSorted alphabetically, starting at a19:20
GeneralAntillesAh, OMAP3 is gonna be fun. . . .19:20
timelE61iWhere you need to select USA19:20
suihkulokkiserves the yankees right :P19:20
timelE61iSuih: you @work?19:20
suihkulokkion the way home19:21
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timelE61iNext time you have a remark like that, drop by so i can strangle you in person19:21
lardmantimelE61i: well if the ui spec changes and allows lists/menus to scroll round the bottom it won't matter so much ;)19:21
timelE61iBtw, reaching F isn't cake either19:21
timelE61iLardman: F is still hard to reach :)19:22
johnxwell if it rubberbands you can just stretch the list juuust right and slingshot it down to the bottom...19:22
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qwerty12If it has a keyboard, I'd hope that you'd be able to press U19:22
johnxn800 becomes a lot more usable on a commuter train when it's in portrait mode19:23
Stskeepssuihkulokki: adding the transitional and libhildon-1-0 to todo, any good places for seeing what are "good" names for libraries?19:23
dnearyhi lardman19:23
dnearyYou got a vote in the referenda, didn't you?19:23
lardmandneary: yes thanks19:24
suihkulokkitimelE61i, that's kinda lazy, for a credible threat of violence you should threaten to drop by :)19:24
lardmandneary: why the doubt?19:24
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Jaffadneary: good post about the community manager - but as you're reeling off the problems about community involvement on corporate-led projects I'm thinking "yup, that's Maemo".19:24
timelE61ii don't want to be credible19:24
dnearylardman: The karma issue19:24
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timelE61iThat'd be bad for my employment19:25
dnearyJaffa: So we need to address the problems19:25
Stskeepssuihkulokki: ta, we'll comb over the other libraries too19:25
timelE61isOrry, i'm really upset19:25
lardmandneary: ah yeah, my karma is fine for that, and everything else, just annoying that it's not right19:25
dnearyNokia's putting lots of resources into community enablement, and a specific community manager probably wouldn't help much19:25
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lardmanyeah, I'm not sold on the need for one of those actually19:26
dnearylardman: You're over 100K, are you?19:26
lardmanyeah, ~350 iirc19:26
lardmanbut I should have a couple of hundred more I think19:26
timelE61i350k what?19:26
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lardmanover 100 :)19:26
dneary350 Karma19:26
* Jaffa read it as 100,000 ;-)19:27
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* timelE61i too19:28
timelE61ior 350*102419:28
suihkulokkiStskeeps: thanks in advance. Now that the "we are waiting for lenny freeze to end" excuse is gone, I need to look more into getting mer packages to debian19:28
Stskeeps*nod* if you need a playground for hwcap stuff, we're good too19:28
timelE61iSui: theme picker package :)19:29
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johnxjust booted mer in the latest virtualbox (2.1.4). seems just fine, but sun's registration pop-up is annoying...19:29
suihkulokkitimelE61i: which one?19:29
Stskeepshildon-theme-selector, heh19:30
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Stskeepsi think one of the next steps for mer is really the control panels..19:30
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timelE61iNon nokia cpls=goood19:30
GeneralAntillesI'm not sold on the community manager idea, either.19:31
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GeneralAntillesEspecially when considering it from the "what would you do with x dollars a year" perspective.19:31
johnxwell, the name of the position certainly doesn't inspire warm fuzzy feelings19:31
Stskeepsi think my focus the next less than 14 days is improving 770 port and making the flashable n8x0 images.. and perhaps N-M patches19:32
ZicGeneralAntilles: "Based on certain comments from Nokia about smartphones and Linux, I think Maemo with cellular voice is inevitable. I don't think it'll be this generation, however." <- oh, my dream ;)19:32
johnxStskeeps, ah, for nm you might want to look at stuff the OE guys have done19:32
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johnxthe OE and Ohand guys I should say19:32
GeneralAntillesI'd rather pay somebody to be a technical reference like Eero fulltime.19:32
suihkulokkiwhat's the differences between hildon-theme-layout-4(|-synth|ex)19:33
Stskeepssuihkulokki: i think it's extended coverage of icons, and some use of ubuntulooks engine, etc19:33
Stskeepssynth is the LCARS guys, -ex is the liberty theme19:34
qwerty12suihkulokki, synth has things like hardware detection added and ex also has nokia sans references removed for one19:34
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suihkulokkiso they are basicly replacements for plankton?19:36
Stskeepsnah, layout and plankton is different19:36
Stskeepsthey are theme layouts.. it is a bit weird until you take a look at it19:36
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GeneralAntillesIf we're going to make any progress, it's going to have to come from management.19:37
Stskeepslayout + theme source + tools (slicer) -> theme19:37
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wazdI think we should decide with UI and then make theme layouts :)19:50
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johnxwazd, have you looked a bit into how theme layouts work?19:51
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wazdResistive touchscreens are less accurate and more frustrating to use with full touchscreen devices,19:54
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wazdwow, didn't know that engadget is so lame)19:54
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GeneralAntilles"Accurate" is a tough word to define sometimes.19:58
GeneralAntillesCapacitive is, arguably, more accurate19:59
GeneralAntillesIn that it's better at picking up taps19:59
GeneralAntillesbut it's also less precise.19:59
* johnx goes insane20:02
wazdjohnx: emmm, nope)20:03
wazdjohnx: how they work?)20:03
johnxheh...kind of hard to sum it up on IRC in a couple lines :P20:04
jeremiahw00t, grub loaded.20:04
johnxjeremiah, woo! what was the problem?20:04
jeremiahI think I corrupted my vmdk when I unzipped. :}20:04
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jeremiahI re-downloaded, checked the md5sums, and everything worked fine20:05
wazdStskeeps: how's Shutter77 work going?) Has he made up something already?20:05
Stskeepswazd: not sure, haven't heard from him20:05
Stskeeps(he got the job to do some icons=20:05
wazdStskeeps: lazy bastard :)20:05
johnxwazd, basically, I think some of your ideas can be implemented easily, with a couple tweaks, some will need patches to h-d which we're doing anyways, and some (the menu stuff) will probably be quite hard (so maybe longterm?)20:05
wazdStskeeps: I've tried to promote some young designers so they would have real work, not some jerking around with photoshop, but they all are too lazy :( Or young maybe(20:07
skiburis there a Debian Internet tablet website other than ITT?20:07
wazdjohnx: well, it's totally up to programmers how they will do that stuff :) If it's too hard I can think of something simplier if you like20:08
johnxwazd, I'm going to dig into applying ubuntu's patches to h-d as soon as I get a decent xserver for the zaurus working. then I'll look at doing what I can with theme layouts20:09
johnxthen I'll have a better idea about what to tell you can or can't be done20:09
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wazdbtw we can just approve UI design and make theme layout for it without actually making it work20:10
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wazdJust make theme elements we need for future20:10
johnxah, but how the code works will determine some the UI elements I think20:11
johnxs/some/the look of some of/20:11
infobotjohnx meant: ah, but how the code works will determine the look of some of the UI elements I think20:11
wazdwell, I'll continue to make mockups and wait for your signal to make template layout :)20:13
jeremiahWah? You guys have perl 5.10 on Mer and Maemo has 5.8.4?20:14
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johnxwe're tracking ubuntu jaunty :)20:14
wazdMaybe I'll do a theme for canola :)20:14
jeremiahWhich means you are pretty up-to-date20:14
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qwerty12Maemo has perl-base by default, most perl things don't really work by default until you install perl-modules from SDK repo and that takes 20MB...20:14
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jeremiahqwerty12: Hmm, interesting.20:15
jeremiahSo you need a lot of disk for the perl modules eh?20:15
jeremiahBut 20MB doesn't seem that much.20:15
qwerty12Actually, I should rephrase "most perl things don't really work by default", it's more like "most perl things that use external modules don't really work by default" :)20:16
johnxthe tablet starts life with 128MB free20:16
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qwerty12You certainly can't use dpkg-dev on Maemo with just perl-base though :)20:16
jeremiahWell, all I can say is that I am impressed with Mer.20:17
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jeremiahAnd will do what I can to help out.20:18
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* GeneralAntilles is tired of the silliness.20:53
GeneralAntillesI should probably do something productive like install Mer. . . .20:53
johnxwhich silliness?20:53
GeneralAntillesjohnx, itT, tabletblog, -developers. . . .20:53
johnxI get my silliness quotient from itt alone :)20:54
Corsacmpf, is it too much asking to be able to sync contacts and calendar with n810? :)20:54
johnxand when that doesn't do the trick I hit up comments on engadget20:54
johnxCorsac, probably :)20:54
johnxCorsac, what applications on the tablet and what applications on the desktop?20:55
Corsacwhatever on the tablet, evolution on the desktop20:55
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johnxyou could try sending a .vcf aka vcard to the tablet's contacts app20:56
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johnxyou might want to try some non-Nokia PIM stuff though20:56
Stskeepsheh, "Edit layout" on OS2007HE is kinda neat20:56
Corsacyeah but that's not really sync :)20:57
CorsacI'd like to be able to add stuff on whatever calendar/contacts on whatever device and have it correctly sync'ed20:57
johnxStskeeps, yeah. I was sad to see that go...20:57
CorsacI know this is not an easy problem, but…20:57
Corsacjohnx: yeah I'm looking at GPE stuff20:57
johnxah. good20:57
timelesssts: how is edit layout in 2007he different from normal edit layout?20:57
johnxthat's probably the right path to follow20:57
Corsacjohnx: it doesn't really seem to work20:57
Stskeepstimeless: there is no edit layout in os2008he. movable applets and not lockable applets20:58
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Stskeepser, diablo, i mean20:58
johnxwell, it's more likely to work than Nokia's "PIM" stuff20:58
timelessoh, yeah, they deleted that feature later20:58
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timelesssorry, i'm used to os200720:58
timelessi still had a device running it a few weeks ago20:58
timelessok, imagine you decide to install "Nitro' ("Crash Reporter")20:59
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I think what bothers me most is people decrying Nokia in areas where they've made great strides.20:59
timelessit wants to show a dialog20:59
timelessgan: this means you :)20:59
timelessthe dialog will currently have a title: "Crash Reporter Privacy Note"20:59
johnxGeneralAntilles, I do think it's good for companies to get held up to the hot irons on issues like long term support though20:59
johnxit makes them worry about it more in the future :)21:00
timelessoh my FSCK21:00
* timeless kicks eero21:00
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GeneralAntillesat the same time, I think it's a good idea to give credit where credit is due21:00
GeneralAntillesand it lends you're arguments much more weight when you're honest about what the situation really is.21:00
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johnxI'll agree to the latter21:01
GeneralAntillesYou don't think credit is deserved where it's earned?21:02
johnxand *we* give a lot of credit in many visible places21:02
johnxso someone has to balance us out by making angry noises about longterm support :)21:03
timelesswhere do localized files belong?21:03
johnxI don't see any point in trying to argue with people who aren't likely to change their mind21:03
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you can make angry noises about longterm support without spouting falsehoods.21:03
timelessplease explain the 'what' part :)21:03
GeneralAntillesWell, there is that.21:03
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qwerty12_N800timeless: LC_MESSAGES21:04
* johnx only has ~24 hours in a day21:04
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timelessqwerty: even if it's a file and not a mo file?21:04
qwerty12_N800ah, not sure sorry, lemme see if I can find out21:05
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timelessthe file is currently /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/privacy.txt21:05
timelesswhich is bad for a dozen reasons21:05
timelessbut it'd help if my bug was complete21:05
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timelessjeremiah: ping21:11
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ShadowJKoh awesome21:20
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* ShadowJK finds a store selling spare styluses21:20
Stskeepsheh, i just noticed my asus fw on my wifi has kept the VLAN settings from my openwrt, curious21:21
Stskeepsso one of the ports is on WAN too21:21
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, did we ever get a flashable jffs2 image?21:23
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: working on it.. got some apt problems21:23
Stskeepsthe mmap patch no longer applies and the workaround causes OOM and kills tablet21:23
qwerty12_N800Not even with fuzz?21:24
Stskeepsnot even with fuzz21:24
qwerty12_N800heh :/21:25
derfWhich mmap patch is this?21:26
qwerty12_N800It's in the source for maemo's version of apt21:27
Stskeepsderf: basically apt needs shared-write mmap for the cache and jffs2 doesn't support this21:28
qwerty12_N800"Make it [apt] work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps." -
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* GeneralAntilles is installing Mer.21:34
timelessis there a mer 0.8?21:34
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* Stskeeps notes 770 flashing is slower than n80021:41
* GeneralAntilles boots Mer21:42
GeneralAntillesUgly progressbar. :P21:43
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luke-jrN810 won't run on AC only21:43
slonopotamusi meant hi.21:44
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, OK, waiting at a blue splashscreen. . . .21:44
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slonopotamushow i can determine whether -mtune=arm1136jf-s implies -mfpu=vfp?21:44
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, it is a bit slow at start. n8x0 or vm?21:45
GeneralAntillesPPC-only here. . . .21:45
GeneralAntillesIt's still booting, then?21:45
GeneralAntillesAh, there it is.21:45
GeneralAntillesType your name21:45
Stskeepsit will generate rsa and dsa and some other housekeeping stuff at first21:45
GeneralAntillesNo gesture support for the keyboard?21:45
Stskeepspft :P21:45
GeneralAntillesIs that not part of h-i-m or something?21:46
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Stskeepsdefine gesture support? :P21:46
geoaxisdoes any one know what broswer android runs and if its possible to port that browser to maemo21:46
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qwerty12_N800Nokia's closed source h-i-m plugin21:46
slonopotamustell me what's maemo-launcher and why it is needed?21:46
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, slide up for uppercase, slide back and forth to delete text.21:46
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ah21:47
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: guess not21:47
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, can we get them to open it, then?21:47
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Corsacgeoaxis: I'd say chrome?21:47
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Stskeepsgeoaxis: maybe something alike webkit engine21:47
geoaxisCorsac, its QT?21:47
GeneralAntillesCorsac, Chrome is x86-only at this point.21:47
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: they really should.. dunno why it's even closed...21:47
Stskeepsoh, f*k21:47
GeneralAntillesI'd say decent text input is critical to the success of any packport.21:48
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Stskeepsof course my flashed 770 image doesn't have a root password..21:48
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geoaxisbtw the GPS in n810 is a total disaapointment21:48
GeneralAntillesgeoaxis, did you install AGPS?21:48
geoaxisGeneralAntilles:  yes i did21:48
GeneralAntillesVirtual input is going to have to be seamless for me to use Mer.21:48
GeneralAntillesIf I have to tap things out on a crappy little half-working VKB, it's not gonna fly. ;)21:49
Stskeepsstill a bit to go, yeah21:49
Stskeepsbut we're working with what we have21:49
Stskeepsthings might be different with a frankenstein version, so21:49
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, right, these are justifications to get more. ;)21:49
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: why do you think Chrome is x86 only?21:49
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: AGPS seems to do nothing on my N81021:50
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luke-jrI have yet to see GPS give me any input ☹21:50
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, because, for the time being, that's all it's been compiled for.21:50
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: well, their JIT V8 engine supports ARM21:50
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Stskeepsah. backdoor on usb. lovely :)21:51
Stskeepsthe things you forget..21:51
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, one piece of a browser != the whole browser.21:51
GeneralAntillesBleh, notification area connection notifications gotta go.21:51
johnxGeneralAntilles, patches welcome21:52
Corsachmhm, syncevolution requires a syncml server21:52
GeneralAntillesjohnx, not my job. :P21:52
johnxGeneralAntilles, then settle in for a long wait :>21:52
Corsacnothing with that sucks21:53
* GeneralAntilles waits patiently for the catalogs to update.21:53
Stskeepsyeah, HAM wasn't exactly optimized to be dealing with ubuntu universe..21:53
GeneralAntillesI guess PSM is still a no-go?21:53
Stskeepsno, it is fixed in 0.821:53
GeneralAntillesWeird, WiFi's getting hot.21:54
Stskeepswell that can also be from the ubuntu fetching21:54
johnxheh, apt-get itself doesn't deal with ubuntu's repos too quickly either on the n800/zaurus :)21:54
Stskeepswell, at least its supposed to be fixed :P21:54
GeneralAntillesDo we have some decent looking network applet icons?21:54
Corsac ><21:54
Stskeepseventually we will have, when someone makes them.. fairly easy to replace21:55
GeneralAntillesIs anybody working on that?21:55
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Stskeepsthink shutter started but didn't hear from him since21:55
Stskeepsi think he faded when he saw hildon-icons21:55
StskeepsCorsac: looks like something to be tried on mer21:56
Corsac !21:56
GeneralAntillesWhat distribution does Mer report for a blank distribution field?21:57
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: not entirely sure21:58
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GeneralAntillesEr, no accents?21:58
GeneralAntillesHow do I get a hyphen?21:58
Stskeepsit's the example virtual keyboard, not very functional21:59
johnxthink os2007 keyboard :)21:59
johnxbottom left of the number pad21:59
johnxnot shifted21:59
GeneralAntillesBleh, looks like a period.21:59
johnxput on your glasses :)21:59
GeneralAntillesThey are22:00
Corsac  conduit: Depends: python2.5-pygoocanvas but it is not installable22:00
Corsac           Depends: python2.5-evolution but it is not installable22:00
* Corsac cries22:00
GeneralAntillesDo I really want the Ubuntu repos?22:00
GeneralAntillesWaiting for updates after playing with the repos may just end in me killing myself.22:01
GeneralAntillesApparently they're required. . . .22:01 might not want them, but you need them22:01
GeneralAntillesBizarre, FBReader's not in the list for some reason.22:03
Stskeepsits in extras (not -devel)?22:03
johnxit might get masked by the version in ubuntu's repo...22:03
GeneralAntillesI have both enabled.22:03
johnxextras are pinned at 500 (default) I assume22:04
GeneralAntillesselect-menu-location doesn't seem to work22:05
CorsacStskeeps: problem with Mer is that it's not really day2day usable :/22:05
StskeepsCorsac: yeah, but on the other hand, it is a lot more usable than when we started :|22:05
Stskeeps:> i mean22:05
GeneralAntillesCorsac, that's why it's not 1.0. ;)22:05
* johnx runs a native build of xfbdev22:05
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: afaik, V8 was the only architecture-dependent piece22:06
johnxwell, the other problem is there isn't a linux port of chrome22:06
luke-jrCorsac: Maemo isn't day2day usable IMO22:06
luke-jrjohnx: yes, that would be a problem :p22:06
johnxs/linux/finished linux/22:06
infobotjohnx meant: well, the other problem is there isn't a finished linux port of chrome22:06
luke-jrjohnx: on top of Chrome having nothing innovative22:06
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johnxthe process management is neat22:07
luke-jris it?22:07
luke-jrlast I checked, it was nothing different from IE822:07
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johnxhey RST38h22:07
RST38hheya johnx22:08
CorsacStskeeps: yeah, no offense intended, it's just that sometime you need the stuff to just work, I have my laptop for breaking stuff on, and I bought the nokia expecting it to just work :)22:08
Corsacluke-jr: from Safari you mean?22:09
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luke-jrCorsac: no, we're talking process-per-tab, not Webkit22:09
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luke-jrso is KMail 4 usable on Maemo?22:09
luke-jreg, if I only need the app, not the DE?22:10
thopiekarI will need DE's librarys to install Mail^^22:10
thopiekarhehe.. KMail depens on some files ( packages) of KDE..22:11
luke-jrof course22:11
luke-jrkdelibs and kdepimlibs22:11
thopiekartrue :)22:12
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GeneralAntillesYeah, it's pulling from the Ubuntu repo.22:15
* johnx is going to try ubuntu fbreader on mer/zaurus since his n800 is busy compiling :/22:15
GeneralAntillesadv-power doesn't want to install.22:16
johnxwhat dependencies aren't met?22:16
qwerty12_N800Needs the closed hald-addon-bme anyway22:16
StsN800requires hald-addon-bme22:16
* thopiekar is going to publish his packages of streamripper and post a thread about that on iTT tomorrow..22:17
timelessthe bug master has two accounts22:17
timelessand it's hurting22:17
thopiekarStsN800: could you please take a look at #mer?22:18
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StsN800thopiekar, cooking atm22:19
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thopiekarStsN800: oki :)22:19
GeneralAntillesjohnx, FBReader mostly works.22:19
GeneralAntillesNo key bindings and no fullscreen, though.22:20
johnxyeah, but I do all my keybindings different anyways :)22:20
thopiekarcould anyone else take a look at #mer who is familar with python?22:20
GeneralAntillesAre the cards automounted?22:20
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johnxGeneralAntilles, well, / is :) others aren't22:20
qwerty12_N800ke-recv may be a possibility now that we've got hald-addon-gpio & -mmc..22:21
GeneralAntillesI guess powerlaunch isn't bundled?22:21
GeneralAntillesSo, how do I turn this thing off? :P22:22
qwerty12_N800No, by the time I'd got it running, .8 was released22:22
CorsacE: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture.22:22
Corsacwtf? ><22:22
qwerty12_N800sudo shutdown -h now22:22
Corsacare we still in 2005?22:22
RST38hwe ain't22:22
* StsN800 doesn't want ke-recv personally22:22
Corsacqwerty12_N800: Password:22:22
RST38hnokia is22:22
* johnx parties like it's 200522:22
qwerty12_N800but you can apt-get install powerlaunch22:23
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qwerty12_N800StsN800:heh, thinking of something better? :)22:23
GeneralAntillesWell, fun times.22:23
* GeneralAntilles goes back to Diablo.22:23
qwerty12_N800Corsac: ?22:23
StsN800qwerty12_N800, maybe powerlaunch scripts22:23
qwerty12_N800a possibility I guess22:24
johnxpowerlaunch is nicely abstracted from the hardware, right?22:24
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GeneralAntillesOr not. . . .22:24
GeneralAntillesIs there anything in particular I need to do differently for a Diablo .item?22:25
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qwerty12_N800johnx: well..., it's pretty much maemo & nokia dependent imho22:25
qwerty12_N800at least configs are22:26
StsN800GeneralAntilles, similar to mer one but with ITEM_LINUXRC removed and rw instead of ro22:27
GeneralAntillesAh, OK.22:27
GeneralAntillesGoddamnit . . . still no go.22:30
StsN800refreshed bootmenu?22:31
StsN800or cped in the item22:31
GeneralAntillesfsck segfaults on the partition. <_<22:31
* GeneralAntilles doesn't want to reinstall.22:32
StsN800prolly from years on end never getting fscked22:32
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: what fs?22:36
GeneralAntillesEXT3. It's booting.22:37
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, when are you gonna put together a boot screen package?22:38
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qwerty12_N800heh, with what graphics? :)22:39
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, any.22:39
GeneralAntillesThe set might be a good one to start with22:39
GeneralAntillesMostly I'm looking for a template package with can use to create others, though.22:40
qwerty12_N800For Maemo or Mer?22:40
GeneralAntillesMaemo, I guess.22:40
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qwerty12_N800I've been itching for an excuse to learn dpkg-divert I guess...22:41
slonopotamusthat's some scary thing22:42
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luke-jris it possible to use teh GPS with Google Maps? :/23:03
qwerty12_N800maemo mapper23:03
luke-jrhow? :/23:04
mavhcreally could do with google making mobile apps for maemo23:05
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, read the docs?23:06
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Proteousluke-jr: install maemo mapper, tell it to download it's apps from google23:06
Proteouser, s/apps/maps/23:06
zs1luke-jr: use google street map repository23:06
luke-jrI installed it, but Google isn't an option23:06
ProteousIf I remember right there is an "update map locations" button/function23:07
Proteousthere is also some option for "use maps that might not be legal to use"23:07
GeneralAntillesThe documentation it harasses you about when you first open it is helpful.23:09
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Stskeeps <- wtf :P23:10
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: how can I see that?23:10
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: i'm still waiting for the 666...23:12
luke-jr666 is base 823:12
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: pandora is -actually- nokia 666.23:12
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Stskeepsbut see the video, even if the girl isn't that cute, concept is interesting :P23:13
qwerty12_N800that image is *so* old though :/23:14
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Stskeepsyeah, ok, 200523:15
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t_s_ohmm, seems boafm do not cleanly return function to speakers on exit...23:20
JaffaCorsac: if you run the installer through setarch, it works. It's an overzealous check, not an actual requirement23:21
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luke-jrgrr, Maemo Mapper keeps crashing23:26
luke-jrthe AGPS app keeps the GPS running tho23:27
luke-jrbut when Mapper starts again it seems to reset it ☹23:27
StskeepsMaemo Mapper is a bit crashy in latest version23:27
Stskeepsnot sure why23:27
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luke-jr"Go to" doesn't seem to work either23:29
RST38hAnyone seen a THUMB function call done with MOV R14,shit ; BLL #0 ?23:29
qwerty12_N800shit or shift? :>23:30
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RST38hAnd, by the way, I want to kill whoever has done this23:31
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Davidehi do you know would it be possible to run a perl interface on xchat on the N800?23:34
Corsacmhmh, multisync with gpesyncd seems to do something, it says sync successfull, but no events in the database in the end :/23:35
RST38hGeneral: It is a useless discussion23:36
RST38hGeneral: 720p, 1080p, who gives a damn?23:36
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qwerty12_N800Davide: you dunno the amount of crap I tried to fix so that xchat could be built with perl... not the same I know, but the version of xchat i put in extras-devel has the python interface enabled23:37
RST38hBesides, once you miss cache and go out to SDRAM, both shiny OMAP3 and lowly ARM11 will hang waiting for the 160MHz SDRAM part to respond23:37
GeneralAntillesRST38h, apparently that marketing approach is working really well.23:37
RST38hGeneral: On mentally soft people, anyway23:38
GeneralAntillesOMAP3 is DDR, isn't it?23:38
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GeneralAntillesI believe it is.23:38
GeneralAntillesRAM's faster than OMAP223:38
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RST38hMy guess is that in a consumer device you will still get the same standard SDRAM23:38
Davidequerty12_N800 is it only python can't do perl?23:38
Stskeepsconsole-setup needs to die23:38
Davidesomeone wrote a perl script for me that I wanted to use... a short one23:38
DavideI'm not sure how to get it to work23:39
RST38husually operating in 100MHz..180MHz range, with power consumption increasing exponentially with clock23:39
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RST38hNow, if OMAP3 has 512kB+ of cache, that would be something ;)))23:39
qwerty12_N800Davide: only python. besides, perl isn't really supported well in maemo anyway23:40
luke-jrMapper uses 95% RAM :/23:40
timelessandre__: can you ask jeremiah if he needs to accounts23:40
timelessif he doesn't, can you borrow justdave@mozilla-com's user merging script23:40
timelessand use it23:40
timelessbecause it sucks that i can't easily cc jeremiah23:40
Davideqwerty12_N800 I'm trying to find a way basically that xchat will trigger a sound when a specific keyword is entered23:42
Davideor that it would highlight a specific keyword only23:43
Davideso I can make it play the sound23:43
andre__timeless, hmm... there's only one entry by jeremiah's non-maemo address, and it's CC'ed by both his addresses. so i think i'm lazy as there's no problem i see23:44
timelessthe problem is that if you enter 'jeremiah' into the cc list23:45
timelessyou get a chooser23:45
timelessand have to pick one or the other23:45
qwerty12_N800Davide: i don't know unfortunately, all I do know is that xchat & perl aren't supported on the tablets and I've never studied the python xchat api23:45
andre__timeless, empty your browser cache?23:46
GeneralAntillestimeless, should we get another Jeremiah to register and solve it for good? ;)23:46
timelessif he only had one account, then entering 'jeremiah' will just cc <him>23:46
timelessgan: yeah well...23:46
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Davideqwerty12_N800 ok thank you for your help!23:46
RST38h~curse nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction23:47
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction !23:47
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timelessandre__: i could be mean and disable one of the accounts, it'd generally solve my problem :)23:48
timelessit's just that, for someone likely to be cc'd often...23:48
timelessit's helpful not to have to guess which of two addresses to pick23:48
andre__you could simply empty your browser cache23:48
timelessthat doesn't make sense23:48
timelessbecause the picker comes from the server side23:49
andre__the CC field does not offer anything here when entering "jeremiah"23:49
andre__no, it's not server side23:49
andre__are we speaking about bugzilla?! :-P23:49
timelesssure it does23:49
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timelesswhat other's are there? :)23:49
andre__errr... 1. go to a bug report, 2. go to "Add CC" field, 3. enter "jeremiah", 4. see that nothing happens23:50
timelesshit enter23:50
andre__can someone confirm this please? :-D23:50
andre__never used23:51
timelesswelcome to the 90s23:51
andre__i'm used to on-the-fly autocompletion23:51
timeless(actually, it isn't quite that old, but still)23:51
andre__this is really 90es23:51
timelessthis works even if js is disabled23:51
timelesson the fly is often a disaster23:52
timelessespecially for tablet devices :)23:52
andre__workaround: enter name + :-P23:52
timelessanyway, please find out if jeremiah is ok w/ losing one of those accounts, and if so, borrow justdave's merging script and use it :)23:52
andre__yes, i'm lazy...23:52
timelessactually, jeremiah@m would work23:53
timelessbut only if i know that's the one he wants23:53
timelessand i don't know that23:53
timelessbecause he liss moth23:53
timelesslists both23:53
* timeless sighs23:53
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* timeless pokes sp300023:54
* timeless frowns23:56
timelessi think i'm missing a tv programming slot23:56
timelessone of the finnish channels is showing Kyle XY a bunch of days a week23:56
timelessbut i seem to be missing an episode23:56
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timelesswhich means i'll have to find it somehow23:56
kkrustyis there an official port for truecrypt to maemo?23:57
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kkrustyThere is one mentioned in the forums but Im curious about whether its safe23:57
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