IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-02-18

wazd	And the last thing - "all". It shows all the stuff :) Useful for desktop installations	00:02
wazd	With category subdivisions	00:03
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fuzzybunny	hi	00:04
fuzzybunny	has anyone installed KDE?	00:05
oli	is there any way to use hamachi on diablo?	00:05
wazd	I've basicaly wanted to give user a chance to switch between IM and browser for example instantly	00:06
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* oli aaaaaaaaaaaa		00:08
oli	i wondered why doesn't hamachi package work, until i'd found out that i'm trying to run it on my PC	00:08
* benson bbbbbbbbb		00:09
* qwerty12_N800 g		00:09
Stskeeps	wazd: i like the way the layout is going though :)	00:09
gnuton	Does the builer work?	00:09
gnuton	builder	00:09
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gnuton	I uploaded a couple of package today and they are not in the builder queue yet	00:10
fuzzybunny	did anyone hear me?	00:10
Stskeeps	fuzzybunny: kde within maemo is so 70s :P	00:11
oli	fuzzybunny: somebody probably has, better tell us what the problem is	00:11
fuzzybunny	how long does it usually take to install?	00:11
b-man	2-4 hours	00:12
fuzzybunny	cool thats all i need to know. thanx	00:12
b-man	np	00:12
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fuzzybunny	so if kde is so 70s whats today?	00:13
Stskeeps	ubuntu or mer :)	00:13
b-man	gnome 8D	00:13
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fuzzybunny	ubuntu on an n8--	00:14
fuzzybunny	youre kidding me	00:14
oli	no, some crazy guy (:D) made it	00:14
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wazd	fuzzybunny: good evening :)	00:14
fuzzybunny	where? how?	00:14
wazd	I know that bastard :)	00:15
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Stskeeps	read up on http://internettablettalk.com/forums , a lot of good hints	00:15
b-man	fuzzybunny: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975	00:15
fuzzybunny	cool	00:15
b-man	oil: :P	00:16
fuzzybunny	sweet	00:18
oli	Stskeeps: czesc :) don't you think merinstaller wastes mmc space by leaving compressed image onto it?	00:18
fuzzybunny	ill install if possible	00:18
Stskeeps	oli: hmm? it should delete the compressed image	00:18
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b-man	fuzzybunny: have fun - hope your good with the command line ;)	00:19
oli	Stskeeps: but it didn't, i'd to do it manually	00:19
Stskeeps	b-man? :P	00:19
fuzzybunny	with the bootmenu, do you think that it is theoretically possible to boot from an external hard drive to mac osx	00:19
fuzzybunny	theoretically.	00:20
Stskeeps	fuzzybunny: theoretically the tablet is a turing machine..	00:20
Stskeeps	er, turing-complete, sorry, - and hence everything can happen, but practically, no, hell no :P	00:20
b-man	no - our architecture is armel not x86	00:20
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b-man	@fuzzybunny	00:20
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fuzzybunny	mabe someday	00:21
Stskeeps	not sure why anyone would want it :P	00:21
Stskeeps	b-man: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4062	00:21
b-man	doubt it	00:21
Stskeeps	is this fixed, btw?	00:21
wazd	fuzzybunny: that day is described in bible	00:21
fuzzybunny	lol	00:21
wazd	fuzzybunny: and a bunch of other texts)	00:21
fuzzybunny	ur right..... vnc to mac	00:22
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wazd	fuzzybunny: that's a hardporn)	00:22
wazd	fuzzybunny: it's not described in bible I suppose)	00:22
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b-man	Stskeeps: working on it ;)	00:22
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fuzzybunny	no, I don't believe so exactly.	00:23
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: btw, when you have time, document your CPA -> script trick	00:24
Stskeeps	it might allow some people to start developing CPAs	00:24
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps: oh, the theme stuff? it's really simple, just system();	00:24
Stskeeps	yeah, but is still nice to have the glue documented	00:25
qwerty12_N800	(in my case)	00:25
fuzzybunny	looking at some of this, I feel like a noob	00:25
wazd	Stskeeps: I'll blogpost bout Mer with more screenshots	00:25
* b-man has an on-line gallery for ubuntu-n8x0 :)		00:26
Stskeeps	wazd: alright, good luck :) remember the home screen and the phone reference (Missed calls, Remember to call Mom, 120 messages from your wife..) :P	00:26
Stskeeps	and 3 from your mistress.	00:26
Stskeeps	:P	00:26
b-man	http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html	00:26
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wazd	Stskeeps: surething)	00:27
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tonyyarusso	benson: I'll look into that.	00:29
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tonyyarusso	benson: would I find that in the repos for diablo anywhere?	00:33
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fuzzybunny	wicked	00:35
Stskeeps	b-man: you really ought to encourage people to use ${INT_CARD} and ${EXT_CARD} instead btw :P	00:35
Stskeeps	in example posts	00:35
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fuzzybunny	bye	00:39
fuzzybunny	ri3reifoperier	00:39
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kkrusty	so no more cron for maemo?	00:40
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oli	b-man: impressive screenshots :>	00:50
GeneralAntilles	kkrusty, alarmd. . . .	00:50
b-man	thanks :D	00:50
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kkrusty	GeneralAntilles, you are awesome!	00:51
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luke-jr	ugh	01:18
luke-jr	the USB interface is dead SLOW	01:18
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benson	tonyyarusso: I believe it's in extras, if not see khertan.net	01:27
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: some bashisms in powerlaunch postinst btw	01:36
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps: I know :(, the script is a bitch to go through though and everything works oddly :/	01:37
Stskeeps	hehe	01:37
* Stskeeps plays with powerlaunch		01:37
Stskeeps	'Wait'? :P	01:38
qwerty12_N800	I did say it was a workaround :p	01:39
Stskeeps	lol :P	01:39
qwerty12_N800	think it works on N810 fine though	01:39
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Stskeeps	i presume lock code does not work	01:39
qwerty12_N800	it does actually	01:40
Stskeeps	though it fails at startup?	01:40
Stskeeps	or not?	01:40
qwerty12_N800	it fails at startup in maemo	01:40
Stskeeps	ah	01:40
qwerty12_N800	lock code upon bootup is a todo	01:40
Stskeeps	and we need to look at the dialog placement	01:41
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qwerty12_N800	yes, mb is really odd - you can see the effect with banners	01:42
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: mer is starting to get scaringily usable now..	01:45
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qwerty12_N800	hehe :)	01:46
leandroal	is it possible to set display of my n810/n810 to never switch off the display regardless using it or not?	01:46
qwerty12_N800	set the timeouts to be really high in control panel > display. if you want timeout options like 24 hours, google moredimmingoptions	01:47
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: is the panic button (hold down power button forever) included, btw?	01:47
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps: yep	01:48
leandroal	qwerty12_N800, cool! :)	01:48
Stskeeps	i could imagine it would be handy in mer development	01:48
Stskeeps	.. why did my LED just flicker	01:48
qwerty12_N800	you've entered the failsafe mode	01:49
GeneralAntilles	Nah, just failmode	01:49
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Stskeeps	was the n800 led single-color or how was it?	01:49
qwerty12_N800	yep	01:49
Stskeeps	as in, only blue? :P	01:50
GeneralAntilles	15-level	01:50
qwerty12_N800	N810 got the multi colour shit	01:50
timeless	yeah	01:50
timeless	n800 had flashing patterns of blue	01:50
timeless	the n810 had a number of colors	01:50
GeneralAntilles	Somebody needs to make a kaleidoscope program for the N810 LED	01:50
GeneralAntilles	RGB	01:50
timeless	which is why i had so much trouble translating the LEDs tab	01:50
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wazd	Stskeeps: ping?)	02:08
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andrewfblack	Hey I thought xchat was free the one on my windows pc wants me to pay 20 to keep using it	02:39
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andrewfblack	ahh well just read the windows version isn't free ohh well back to Mirc on windows for me.	02:40
andrewfblack	GeneralAntilles you around?	02:40
GAN800	Hm?	02:41
andrewfblack	I was just reading where the site maemostuff get told by nokia to shut the site down a few months ago, I'm worried about maemobox getting the same who do I need to talk to, so I don't get sued lol you know?	02:41
GAN800	Quim or Peter probably.	02:43
andrewfblack	email best way?	02:43
GAN800	Probably	02:43
andrewfblack	will be alot of work to rename maemobox since it is linked like a thousand times on itT	02:44
andrewfblack	you know quims email?	02:44
Macer	damn fbsd	02:45
Macer	with its pw	02:45
Macer	:)	02:45
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GAN800	wtf is 'connection-switcher'	02:50
andrewfblack	I couldn't find his email on his maemo.org profile so I used itt to email him i hope he gets it, I guess I need to be thinking of a new name just incase	02:51
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wazd	andrewfblack: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/sendmsg.php?do=mailmember&u=7630	02:55
GAN800	Somebody needs to get tang.maemo to move his stuff out of user/	02:55
GAN800	andrewfblack, quim.gil at nokia.com ;)	02:55
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GAN800	lol . . . qtmapper is maintained by 'AL <xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@maemo.org>'	02:59
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luke-jr	andrewfblack: X-Chat is free on all platforms	03:10
luke-jr	andrewfblack: but free does not mean gratis; pay $20 for the free software	03:11
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luke-jr	so finally trying to flash it	03:18
luke-jr	but the N810 doesn't do USB when it's off ☹	03:18
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luke-jr	oh	03:22
luke-jr	usb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub	03:22
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luke-jr	it's on the motherboard -.-	03:22
Mousey	why won't my background stay what it was last when i reboot?	03:24
Macer	ups doesn't bullshit when they say they're sending something ground huh?	03:24
Macer	this thing has had a feb 13th date departure scan forever	03:25
Macer	is it getting here on horseback?	03:25
* Macer pictures a UPS man fighting off indians while braving the grand canyon		03:25
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* GeneralAntilles is growing less and less impressed with ThoughtFix's "analysis".		04:13
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luke-jr	can I configure Maemo to connect to any random AP?	04:19
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Macer	fuck yeah.. shamrock shakes at mcdonalds	04:33
fireun	hah.	04:33
fireun	oh, so, btw - #maemo sucks	04:33
luke-jr	..	04:34
fireun	I was stuck at school, trying to figure out a problem on my 770, and I could not connect to irc	04:34
fireun	tried several web based irc clients, they're all blocked	04:34
fireun	tried installing pigdin, but it would crash trying to add accounts	04:34
Macer	heh.. and that makes maemo suck because.... ? :)	04:34
fireun	if I'm on a maemo device, I should be able to get to #maemo, right? (:	04:35
fireun	other channels on freenode are not blocked	04:35
fireun	I dont have a beef, I just wanted to vent - was very frustrated today with the tablet	04:36
fireun	it all worked out I guess. the mmc card had somehow gone read only, which I guess happens still?	04:36
luke-jr	Maps doesn't start ☹	04:36
fireun	and I couldnt unmount it because "it was in use" yet lsof said it was not in use.	04:36
fireun	the usb icon that usually shows only when connected to a pc, is always on now, not sure what thats about. through trying many many combinations of killing apps, changing fstab, rebooting without the mmc in place, I managed to mkdosfs it, reboot and then write to the mmc	04:38
fireun	for whatever reason I couldnt turn virtual (swap) memory off when the mmc is read only	04:38
fireun	(very frustrating)	04:38
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fireun	been bashing at this problem for a couple days - ever since I tried to use the recorder to tape a lecture last wednesday. barely had enough batter left today to record todays lecture. whew.	04:39
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fireun	hopefully whatever caused the mmc to go read only, doesnt happen again	04:40
fireun	does maemo not run fsck on bootup?	04:40
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fireun	that was the only thing I could think of, something borked in the fs from a crash, and needed fsck to do something special - but when I ran it by hand, it was uninformative	04:41
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GeneralAntilles	fireun, pro tip: 770 sucks.	04:47
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fireun	GeneralAntilles: does it just have fatal hardware design flaws, or could it get better with ubuntu/android/ect later down the pipe?	05:00
fireun	cuz when it works, it works	05:01
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GeneralAntilles	fireun, well, it's old, slow and not well supported.	05:03
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luke-jr	how do I get IPv6? :/	05:09
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fireun	GeneralAntilles: well I'm not throwing em out (:	05:11
fireun	luke-jr: eating the wrong food at a geek potluck	05:12
luke-jr	…	05:14
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Mousey	lol	05:19
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luke-jr	maemo is laggy ☹	05:36
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GeneralAntilles	Is swap on?	05:38
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* b-man discovers an imager/installer for ubuntu jaunty at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs and thinks about re-designing it for the nit's :)		05:40
zakkm	anyone know where i could find a female to female usb adapter? i looked like everywhere in my city and i cannot find one ( Toronto, Canada )	05:40
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: no	05:44
luke-jr	N810 requires swap? :/	05:44
luke-jr	wtf is maemo-launcher and why does it want 60% memory	05:45
GeneralAntilles	swap helps a lot	05:47
GeneralAntilles	maemo-launcher launches stuff to save memory	05:47
luke-jr	…	05:50
luke-jr	well I closed everything and the browser still refuses to open for lack of memory	05:51
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Mousey	something is still OPEN	06:01
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benson	zakkm: dealextreme has them, or you could go for an on	06:08
benson	otg adapter from electronicsproductonline	06:08
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benson	s/s//	06:10
infobot	benson meant: otg adapter from electronicproductonline	06:10
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tonyyarusso	benson: The extras version of pygtkeditor was broken, but getting it direct from khertan worked.	06:24
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slonopotamus	hmm	08:32
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Mousey	indeed	08:34
slonopotamus	i wonder wtf is $DEBLET_RUN_FROM_LINUXRC	08:35
slonopotamus	it is used in some mer init scripts	08:35
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luke-jr	O.o	08:39
luke-jr	so how do you all use the case?	08:39
luke-jr	I find it a pain to remove the N810 from	08:39
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benson	I don't, I use one of briand's HP cases... the N810 sock seems tighter than the N800 one was.	08:45
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benson	Besides, a belt-clip frees my pockets up for other stuff.	08:47
luke-jr	hm	08:48
luke-jr	how about email/calendar?	08:48
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benson	?	08:48
luke-jr	haven't got to calendar yet, but Mail and Claws both suck	08:49
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benson	Modest (aka Mail) isn't near as bad as the old Mail was, and does nicely for reading GMail, imho.	08:50
benson	For writing or searching, I just use a browser.	08:50
benson	Webkit FTW on GMail.	08:50
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luke-jr	I think I heard Mail only lets you access the inbox..	08:51
luke-jr	and I use a browser as a browser, not a wannabe mail client	08:52
benson	I use GMail on the desktop, so I don't find it troublesome to use the same.	08:53
benson	AFAIK, though, Mail, Claws, and various webmails are the only GUI options going.	08:53
luke-jr	sigh	08:54
* luke-jr ponders ssh -X and kmail		08:54
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benson	Oh, and I don't do calendar stuff, with anything, so no advice there. :P	08:57
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Relent	hi	09:03
benson	hello	09:05
* luke-jr ponders if the KDE4 port is usable enough to simply run KMail on Maemo		09:08
timeless	oh sure	09:11
timeless	run yet another lame mail client	09:11
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timeless	might i suggest gmail?	09:11
* timeless hasn't tortured qmail recently, but it's unlikely to be a holy grail		09:11
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luke-jr	timeless: KMail actually works	09:14
luke-jr	and gmail is just a crappy web wannabe	09:14
luke-jr	and requires I trust Google with my email	09:14
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timeless	You are currently using 3992 MB (54%) of your 7296 MB.	09:15
timeless	does kmail handle that?	09:16
timeless	i have a quarter million unread conversations	09:16
timeless	and half a million unread messages	09:16
timeless	in general most MUAs fail miserably for such a mailbox :)	09:17
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* timeless cries		09:45
timeless	anyone here have an n800/n810?	09:45
Corsac	sure	09:45
timeless	corsac: can you open the media player?	09:45
timeless	does it have a file picker somewhere? either from the menu or the toolbar?	09:45
Corsac	let me check	09:47
timeless	thanks	09:47
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Corsac	menu/clip/open ?	09:49
Jucato	the default media player?	09:50
Jucato	Menu -> Clip -> Open?	09:50
Jucato	(N810)	09:51
timeless	ok	09:51
timeless	so, imagine that 'clip' is a forbidden word	09:51
Corsac	?	09:51
Corsac	(hmhm, it doesn't support daap sharing I guess?)	09:52
timeless	a word that should never appear in any UI	09:52
timeless	don't worry about that stuff, please, not my area :)	09:52
Jucato	File -> Open? Media -> Open?	09:52
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timeless	i'm ok w/ Media in the menu	09:52
timeless	but what bothers me is the title of the dialog	09:52
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timeless	suggestions?	09:53
timeless	'Open media' as a dialog title doesn't make me particularly happy	09:53
Jucato	the dialog titles is "Open media clip".. "Open media file"?	09:53
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timeless	if you think it's ok, it'll be used	09:53
* Jucato never really noticed the usage of the word "clip" until now :)		09:54
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timeless	jucato: i hope you can understand why it's bad? :)	09:55
Jucato	thinking about it, it's a bit inappropriate. "clip" sort of suggests "a portion of a file"	09:55
Jucato	and that's only if you apply it to a multimedia context	09:55
timeless	it implies short segment of something	09:55
Jucato	yeah	09:55
timeless	there are other meanings of course	09:55
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timeless	like if i want to run over the person who picked that word w/ a car	09:56
timeless	i can clip him	09:56
timeless	it'd be a much better use	09:56
timeless	anywya...	09:56
Jucato	or that animated thingy in MS Office apps >:)	09:56
timeless	hey, he's a Paperclip!	09:56
timeless	and he has a proper name (Clippy [tm])	09:56
Jucato	hehe :)	09:56
timeless	actually, i have no idea if ms tm'd him	09:56
Jucato	"clip" also reminds me of him/it/die! :)	09:57
timeless	interesting, his formal name was "Clippit"	09:57
Jucato	I'm sure they have him tm'ed, copyrighted, and probably even patented :)	09:57
Jucato	they are/have prior art on creating the first ever and most annoying "helper" thingy :)	09:58
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Jucato	but as you said, "anywya"...	09:58
timeless	yeah, i decided to leave that typo alone	09:59
* timeless wonders why the applet title has a space at its end		09:59
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timeless	jucato: are you using en-US or en-GB?	10:00
Jucato	en-US	10:00
timeless	if you don't mind losing the Nokia English (en-FI), you can enable diablo extras-devel	10:01
timeless	and find the package(s) i'm creating	10:01
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timeless	ok, i think i've locally fixed clip	10:03
timeless	i can't believe i missed the menu item	10:03
* Stskeeps reaches out after the coffee machine		10:03
Jucato	hm.. not sure I'm ready to mess with locale stuff (specially since I don't know where/how they're set properly)	10:03
Jucato	what's.. "coffee"??	10:03
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Jucato	I do have extras-devel though	10:03
timeless	jucato: what it'll do is destroy your Nokia English	10:03
timeless	guaranteed	10:03
Jucato	oh...	10:03
Jucato	:/	10:03
timeless	but in its place you'll have something which resembles American English	10:04
timeless	which I would hope you'd find to be a vast improvement	10:04
Jucato	as long as it's readable English.. will I be able to go back to the Nokia English? :)	10:04
timeless	you can use Nokia Official (British) English	10:04
timeless	(by selecting en-GB)	10:05
timeless	but no, atm there's no undo path	10:05
timeless	jeremiah is supposed to help me fix that	10:05
Jucato	hm. ouch. I'll pass for now if you don't mind.	10:05
timeless	no problem	10:05
timeless	it's at 0.1.1 atm, 0.1.2 is almost ready	10:05
Jucato	I'm not really in a mental state to deal with another messed up computer :(	10:05
timeless	i hope to get the undo path working for a 0.1.3	10:05
* Jucato doesn't even know how long his hard drive will last this week...		10:06
timeless	:(	10:07
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Jucato	(whoa lorn potter...)	10:07
timeless	??	10:08
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Jucato	heeh sorry. it's like seeing a movie star for the first time :)	10:08
Jucato	I've only seen him through blogs... and smile at his last name :P	10:08
timeless	http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801586 ?	10:09
timeless	http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.linkedin.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_80_80/p/2/000/009/3f3/0312e58.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.linkedin.com/in/lornpotter&usg=__6qnoOGvt9xNBpwWdUxujNP9sH9k=&h=80&w=80&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&sig2=IkydzYckeGkH01RN1Iz5Mg&um=1&tbnid=ulYoTyXo3cBrMM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=74&ei=P8KbSbvPDIWe-gbVuu3-CA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlorn%2Bpotter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GGLS_enFI291FI307%26sa%3DN	10:09
timeless	?	10:09
Jucato	more like http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/author/ljp/	10:10
Jucato	not being an LJ subscriber, I couldn't confirm the frist link :)	10:10
Jucato	but looks like it :)	10:10
* Jucato gets back to damn big Oh's		10:11
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timeless	yeah, the first link didn't work for me	10:14
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timeless	google needs to have an icon for 'login required'	10:15
timeless	or [x] search the open web	10:15
ds3	or a flag on "paid sites"	10:15
Jucato	hehe but the Track tab in that page lists 2 articles from him. given that there is probably only one "Lorn Potter" that does anything related to Qt.. I'd say it's probably him :)	10:15
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* timeless ponders		10:28
StsN800	hm, 770 charger is just the usual ac-4 series?	10:30
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timeless	sounds right	10:32
timeless	it's compatible w/ the n800/n810	10:32
timeless	and the e61i	10:32
timeless	it's nokia charger mach2	10:32
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Stskeeps	good, don't need to go out and buy a new one then	10:35
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herzi	qgil1: ping	11:09
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suihkulokki	Stskeeps: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/libhildon-2.1.24/revision/7 <- you should do it the other way around (libhildon1 as transitional, libhildon-1-0 as real)	11:14
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mmc	are "rootstraps" packaged as debian packages? or should I donwload them manually?	11:24
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jjo	mmc: rootstraps are tar.gz packages	11:35
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wazd	hello world)	11:39
t_s_o	hmm, the download manager is somewhat annoying, while bluetooth transfers can be saved, then opened, web downloads has to be saved or opened, it cant do both...	11:42
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aquatix	stupid netsplits	11:56
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aquatix	wazd: aww	11:56
t_s_o	and an impressive one at that	11:56
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Jucato	splitnode ftw!	11:56
wazd	world is back!)	11:57
Jucato	for now...	11:57
wazd	Well, I was here)	11:58
wazd	I'm not "trans-atlantic" I suppose)	11:58
t_s_o	err, whats with the end line )?	11:58
Jucato	probably a new programming language?)	11:59
slonopotamus	hm	11:59
slonopotamus	?)	11:59
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RST38h	moo all	12:01
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wazd	RST38h:hola)	12:02
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RST38h	moo, wazd	12:05
Stskeeps	suihkulokki: better debian pkg naming or?	12:05
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t_s_o	Jucato: or it could be a lisp variant...	12:13
Stskeeps	smilies. :P	12:14
Jucato	oooh right :)	12:14
Stskeeps	hello)	12:14
t_s_o	ugh	12:14
t_s_o	those : are important for my analog parser...	12:14
Stskeeps	no, just cultural differences	12:14
wazd	Stskeeps: check it out, I've made an illustration for the post http://i020.radikal.ru/0902/19/69b4c2d148f7.jpg :)	12:14
t_s_o	whats with the lighter?	12:15
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wazd	t_s_o: it will have Mer to :)	12:15
Jucato	the only odd thing there is the beagleboard.. it's not blue	12:16
t_s_o	heh, careful, your playing with fire ;)	12:16
Stskeeps	wazd: hah:)	12:16
t_s_o	i think the early gens where red	12:16
wazd	Jucato: is it blue? O_o	12:16
Stskeeps	i would focus more on touch devices	12:16
wazd	all images I've found are red	12:16
t_s_o	no scrap that, i misunderstood	12:17
Jucato	well the ps3 ain't blue either. but. meh :)	12:17
t_s_o	Jucato: blu-ray? ;)	12:17
Jucato	hahah :)	12:17
wazd	Well, red is recognizagle)	12:17
wazd	recognizable*	12:17
Jucato	wait.. is that a tamagochi thingy? O.o	12:18
wazd	Jucato: yep)	12:18
t_s_o	yep, and thanks, i could not recall what it was called...	12:18
Jucato	awesome!!)	12:18
* Jucato will buy one and install mer)		12:18
Stskeeps	mockups	12:18
Jucato	or will there be one for sale that comes with mer preinstalled? :D	12:18
Jaffa	X-Fade: ping	12:19
X-Fade	Jaffa: pong.	12:19
Jaffa	X-Fade: the two most recent articles in /community/council/ aren't showing up on planet	12:20
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X-Fade	Jaffa: I'll check it out.	12:24
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Jaffa	X-Fade: ta	12:25
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lardman	morning all	12:37
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Jaffa	lo lardman	12:54
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lardman	hey Jaffa	13:13
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X-Fade	Heh, sure let the guy living in NL pick a venue for the next summit. Thanks ;)	13:23
lardman	X-Fade: :p	13:24
lardman	X-Fade: have you been on holiday? or elsewhere?	13:24
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X-Fade	lardman: Yeah, was in Austria. Skiing.	13:24
lardman	cool, well this is your penance then ;)	13:25
timeless	x-fade: so... i've pushed a new zip	13:25
timeless	w/ a bunch of changes	13:25
lardman	friend of mine just came back from somewhere skiish with a cracked spine	13:25
timeless	one warning, it bumps the version recs from 0.1.1 to 0.1.2	13:25
X-Fade	Yeah, always stick tasks on the one who is not paying attention ;)	13:26
X-Fade	timeless: Well, if you don't mess anything up, I should not be needed :)	13:28
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qgil1	herzi: pong	13:37
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timeless	hey	13:40
timeless	anyone here using my localization?	13:40
timeless	if you tap the battery item	13:40
timeless	(and you aren't charging!)	13:40
timeless	should there be a : at the end of the first line? :)	13:41
Stskeeps	mm, it is nice being at a university with a forum nokia contact, now i can try n810 and get HW support going :)	13:41
* timeless kicks forum nokia		13:41
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timeless	it doesn't know to which side of the pond it belongs!	13:41
timeless	and it can't spell 'Fund', or was it 'fund', it really wasn't sure	13:42
timeless	qgil1: nothing personal, it was nice to be able to give an n810 to someone	13:42
timeless	(who's now helping me localize)	13:42
timeless	but gah	13:42
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wazd	I can install and test it :)	13:42
timeless	i', off to lunch/breakfast	13:43
timeless	i'll be back from there	13:43
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Stskeeps	eh, ok, so people complain about Nokia and ogg..	13:48
Stskeeps	why is the ogg files on the MMC in navicore then? :P	13:48
wazd	timeless: I think it should be	13:48
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timelE61i	k	13:49
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wazd	http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/i-mates-810f-and-centurion-handled-with-wild-abandon/ <- Wow! Sexy rugged phone! Nowai	13:51
wazd	I thought "brutal unattractive bricl look" is an ISO standart :)	13:52
glass	14degs of cold?	13:52
RST38h	"14 degrees of cold" sounds meek	13:52
glass	yeah..	13:52
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glass	thats like my last night out	13:52
glass	5800 worked fine	13:52
wazd	RST38h: maybe 14F :)	13:52
RST38h	wazd: This looks like an e61 ripoff	13:52
glass	rebranded htc stuff like usually from imate?	13:53
glass	imates had nice booths at mwc traditionally tho	13:53
wazd	RST38h: Don't think that it will stand 140C :D	13:53
wazd	RST38h: User won't stand it xD	13:53
RST38h	14oF ~= -10oC	13:54
wazd	RST38h: hm	13:55
wazd	RST38h: And 87oF is?)	13:55
RST38h	who knows	13:55
Stskeeps	wazd: did you blog yet btw?	13:55
wazd	Stskeeps: nope, working on mockups right now)	13:56
* RST38h just remembers that the guy used his asshole temperature for 100o		13:56
Stskeeps	wazd: alright	13:56
Stskeeps	http://labs.ideo.com/2009/02/11/hacked-rear-projection-tv-into-multitouch-display <- i so want to run Mer on this.	13:57
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Stskeeps	'lo andrewfblack, kozak	14:01
kozak	hi	14:01
Stskeeps	kozak: beagleboard port runs almost directly on pandora developer board too :)	14:02
herzi	qgil1: I have issues with logging in on maemo.org to submit an application	14:02
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kozak	cool	14:02
kozak	Stskeeps: Would like to know more on the beagle board port....	14:03
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qgil1	herzi: the good news is that I'm not responsible of that :) X-Fade perhaps	14:04
X-Fade	herzi: What is the problem?	14:05
herzi	X-Fade: after I entered my login data, I trigger an http-500 error	14:06
X-Fade	herzi: Hmm that should not happen.	14:06
X-Fade	herzi: Where do you try to login? https://maemo.org/ ?	14:08
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herzi	yes	14:09
herzi	clicked on login on the top	14:09
herzi	and after entering my data i get this:	14:11
herzi	Server Error	14:11
herzi	Object does not exist	14:11
herzi	Error 500	14:11
herzi	maemo.org	14:11
herzi	Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:10:55 +0200	14:11
herzi	Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.3	14:11
X-Fade	herzi: Can you visit http://maemo.org/midcom-logout- and then login?	14:11
herzi	that gives the same error	14:11
herzi	(when trying to visit the logout page, I see the same error)	14:12
X-Fade	herzi: And now?	14:12
herzi	sill	14:12
herzi	still	14:12
X-Fade	That was almost to fast to test. Are you sure there is no cache playing up?	14:13
herzi	yes	14:13
herzi	I press ctrl-shift-r in the browser, thus skipping its caches...	14:13
herzi	and the site ony works for my after I delete a cookie	14:14
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herzi	the "midcom_services_auth_backend_simple-maemoorg" from "maemo.org"	14:14
X-Fade	herzi: Ok, I see the same problem in our user manager for your account.	14:16
herzi	ah	14:16
X-Fade	You are member of some deleted groups.	14:16
herzi	ah	14:17
X-Fade	herzi: Needs some fixing, I'll ping you when we're done..	14:17
herzi	cool, how long will it take? 1hour, 1day, 1 week?	14:18
X-Fade	herzi: Should be fixed today ;)	14:18
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herzi	terrific	14:18
X-Fade	Need to fix it globally as you're probably not the only one.	14:18
herzi	I'll get you a beer if we ever meet :-)	14:18
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X-Fade	herzi: Thanks for reporting it.	14:22
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wazd	ah, thoughtfix wants capacitive touchscreen	14:25
wazd	lame	14:25
wazd	Why not make just more sensitive resistive	14:26
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aquatix	teehee: http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nokias-internet-tablet-hacked-into-secondary-pc-monitor/	14:32
RST38h	wazd: A lot of people have heard that mighty iPhone has got a capacitive touchscreen but few understand what it entails	14:32
RST38h	wazd: Apple is very good at hiding technology shortcomings ;)	14:32
Stskeeps	aquatix: i am personally waiting for /mysterious-maemo-platform-spreads-across-globe	14:33
Stskeeps	:P	14:33
X-Fade	herzi: Can you try to log in now?	14:35
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RST38h	Texas Instruments ALO does an Android "phone": http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/	14:36
Stskeeps	isn't that a slightly more expensive pandora? :P	14:38
aquatix	Stskeeps: :)	14:38
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RST38h	Sts: It is bigger!	14:38
andrewfblack	for that price I would get that thing sony makes and just run full linux on it	14:39
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Stskeeps	RST38h: yes, but .. it is actually in production and being sold	14:40
RST38h	andrew: That would make you a traitor to the OMAP3 cult	14:40
andrewfblack	true but I think I might even have a little more money in my pocket	14:40
* andrewfblack needs to figure out how to do right click on Mer:LXDE		14:41
aquatix	andrewfblack: bt mouse?	14:41
Stskeeps	andrewfblack: libgtkstylus	14:42
wazd	ah, I'm kinda sick of that "black glossy brick" design(	14:42
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herzi	X-Fade: works with many many many php warnings	14:45
herzi	Notice: Undefined property: midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231	14:45
herzi	^^ this one gets repeated all over	14:45
X-Fade	Ok, we'll investigate that one ;)	14:46
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X-Fade	herzi: Can you try it again? :)	14:50
herzi	I still see these notices	14:51
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X-Fade	herzi: Exact same or did something change?	14:52
herzi	ten times this: Notice: Undefined property: midcom_core_group_midgard::$guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/group/midgard.php on line 231	14:52
herzi	or will I have to log-out/re-login?	14:53
X-Fade	herzi: Try that.	14:53
X-Fade	Or try another https url to be sure that there is no cache..	14:53
herzi	oh yeah, seems to be fixed	14:53
X-Fade	Great ;)	14:54
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X-Fade	herzi: FWIW: http://trac.midgard-project.org/ticket/839	14:55
herzi	great	14:55
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wazd	Stskeeps: bout the tap on the app's icon in quickswitcher row	15:04
Stskeeps	mm?	15:04
wazd	Stskeeps: I think it's pretty native way to minimize app	15:04
lbt	can the touchpad differentiate between a stylus and a finger?	15:04
Stskeeps	wazd: true	15:04
lbt	touchscreen	15:04
wazd	lbt: kind of	15:05
Stskeeps	lbt: i think they tried initially	15:05
lbt	it seems fraught	15:05
lbt	but I wondered :)	15:05
lbt	gestures donchaknow	15:05
Stskeeps	i guess it would technically be possible	15:06
lbt	depends on the hardware	15:06
X-Fade	lbt: The touchscreen gives out an array of points in a certain time when pressing with your finger.	15:06
wazd	the only problem right now is "home" button :) Where to place it	15:06
lbt	X-Fade: yes - that's what I wondered	15:06
lbt	so 'spread'	15:07
X-Fade	lbt: when max-x - min-x and max-y - min-y is a certain value, it is not a stylus anymore ;)	15:07
lbt	where's that calc?	15:07
lbt	and how might it pass through X11	15:07
* lbt wonders		15:07
X-Fade	I have no idea. I know that gtk has presure info available though..	15:08
lbt	mmm	15:08
lbt	is pressure==spread?	15:08
lbt	or independent?	15:08
lbt	technically I'd expect the stylus to exert more pressure	15:09
lbt	since it has a tiny tip	15:09
lbt	this could I guess be done using strain calcs	15:09
X-Fade	I think it is independent, but not sure. There was some drawing app which used pressure.	15:09
qwerty12	MyPaint?	15:10
X-Fade	lbt: But open the sketch app and press 2 fingers on the screen at the same time.	15:10
lbt	I'll leave some comments in the code for now...	15:10
X-Fade	And see a dot exactly in the middle ;)	15:10
lbt	yes - but I wonder if pressure comes from measuring the matrix spread	15:10
X-Fade	Could be.	15:10
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lbt	it does	15:11
lbt	2 styluses and it doesn't work	15:11
* timelE61i blinks		15:11
lbt	ie the screen gives a nasty lcd blur when you push	15:11
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lbt	but the pressure reading (ie middle point)	15:11
lbt	doesn't change	15:11
* lbt won't press too hard next time		15:12
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lbt	interesting....	15:12
lbt	anyhow, gotta go - back l8r - cheers	15:12
herzi	does anyone know if there's a rootstrap for os2008he?	15:12
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X-Fade	lbt: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data	15:13
lbt	ooh - damn.... now I've seen it I'll have to use it....	15:14
X-Fade	Yeah, with code and all ;)	15:14
* lbt wonders if Qt can add a flag to mouseEvent....		15:14
lbt	did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU	15:15
lbt	(in high quality too!)	15:15
qwerty12	lbt, looks good	15:16
lbt	and to use it it's as simple as gw->connect(desc, Gesture("r l r "), this, SLOT(desc_clicked()));	15:17
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lbt	which I think is rather easy	15:17
lbt	of course the gui is too fiddly but that's a scale thing now...	15:17
lbt	anyhow, now I'm late....	15:17
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timelE61i	hey, could someone tell me where i could get "gettext" for diablo? I have it in mer... (my network is very flaky)	15:23
qwerty12	timelE61i, it's in the diablo sdk repo	15:24
_berto_	timelE61i: I think it's in the doctools devkit	15:24
_berto_	no, it's not	15:24
_berto_	it's in the repo	15:24
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Stskeeps	timelE61i: intltool?	15:28
Stskeeps	oh, diablo	15:28
timelE61i	sdk = break my device?	15:28
qwerty12	Not if you enable it, apt-get install gettext and disable the repo	15:28
timelE61i	All i want is msgunfmt btw	15:28
qwerty12	That's all I needed it for when I removed nokia's battery preaching message ;)	15:28
timelE61i	Qwerty: my locale fixes that?	15:29
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qwerty12	timelE61i, this was long time before your locales and I moved on to use advanced-power since :)	15:29
RST38h	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/18/blouse_rumpus/	15:32
RST38h	Hehe	15:32
timelE61i	Qwerty/gan/x-fade: would you cry if i changed ham's "Disabled" to "Do not use"?	15:35
timelE61i	(in the catalog editor)	15:35
qwerty12	It doesn't bother me personally, it still sounds like it makes sense to me :)	15:35
pupnik__	really want to have hw accel mpeg4 encoding on next tablet ...	15:37
pupnik__	that would clinch a lot of sales mang	15:37
Jaffa	encoding?	15:38
pupnik__	yes from hires cam	15:38
pupnik__	you want to bog down system during a video call?	15:38
pupnik__	pshaw	15:39
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RST38h	Digital cameras do hw assisted mpeg4 encoding	15:40
RST38h	So why not the tablet	15:40
pupnik__	i imagine so many uses for ip video calls	15:41
pupnik__	some guy down at the production line calling his manager	15:41
pupnik__	no look, this part is broken!	15:41
timelE61i	jaffa?	15:41
timelE61i	Any opinion?	15:41
pupnik__	i cant offer one timeless	15:42
* timelE61i nods		15:42
* timelE61i grumbles		15:45
* timelE61i kicks xterm		15:45
Jaffa	timelE61i: "Disabled" vs "Do not use"?	15:47
timelE61i	yes	15:47
timelE61i	Or suggest something else	15:47
Jaffa	timelE61i: "Do not use" sounds like it could be confusing if the user didn't enable it	15:47
timelE61i	This is only for the checkbox	15:48
timelE61i	Do not use: [x]	15:48
Jaffa	Indeed, but I can see it being read as "Should I not use it, or is this the tablet?" IYSWIM	15:48
timelE61i	Ah	15:49
* Jaffa started liking "Do not use", but now's at "Disabled" being better		15:49
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timelE61i	Disable - no d?	15:49
Jaffa	Oooh, tricky.	15:49
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Jaffa	There must be a style guide for that? (I'm not willing to comment given the slapping I got for suggesting "The device" over "Device".	15:50
* timelE61i wonders about ken770 in garage		15:50
timelE61i	who slapped over that?	15:50
timelE61i	Note that "device" is dead	15:50
timelE61i	Only tablet lives :)	15:50
Jaffa	Andre was quoting the internal ticket	15:50
timelE61i	Oh	15:50
andre_k	yupp	15:50
timelE61i	Ignore the internals	15:50
timelE61i	There's a reason i'm here	15:51
Jaffa	timelE61i: on that restart bug, #4031	15:51
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timelE61i	Andre: look for colour selector (bugs changed this week) :)	15:51
andre_k	?	15:51
timelE61i	(internal)	15:51
andre_k	ah	15:51
* timelE61i rotfl		15:52
timelE61i	have they read their help files?	15:52
timelE61i	How to do something is the nokia help style	15:53
timelE61i	You open a widget; ask for help	15:53
timelE61i	It says "to get where you are, do this: ...!"	15:53
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Jaffa	timelE61i: good grief	15:54
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* GeneralAntilles is baffled by people on itT.		16:04
geoaxis	hello people, i would like to bring attention to google summer of code to maemo devs	16:04
geoaxis	i have participated in other projects in previous years, but since i am a new owner of a nokia n810, i would love to work for maemo for this summer of code, if possible	16:05
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: which thread now?	16:05
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, Tegra thread	16:06
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GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/	16:06
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265306&postcount=10	16:06
* GeneralAntilles really needs a new machine.		16:06
pupnik_	faster?	16:07
GeneralAntilles	My clipboard is too slow to keep up with my shortcuts. :(	16:07
andrewfblack	lol	16:08
pupnik_	let me guess, kde	16:08
GeneralAntilles	lol	16:08
GeneralAntilles	pupnik_, OS X.	16:08
pupnik_	hrm	16:08
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Mek	geoaxis: see http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/	16:12
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GeneralAntilles	That's a rather sexy devkit: http://www.engadget.com/photos/texas-instruments-and-wind-river-do-up-android-right/	16:15
Stskeeps	it's the pandora	16:15
glass	a huge devboard is right	16:16
GeneralAntilles	Actually, the soft keys kinda remind me of a giant distorted Moto Q.	16:17
Meizirkki	it looks like 800x480 screen	16:20
GeneralAntilles	WVGA	16:21
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RST38h	Pentagon boffinry chiefs have announced that they would like some self-aware computer systems capable of "meta-reasoning" and "introspection". The plan is to place these machine intelligences in command of heavily armed, well-nigh invulnerable robotic tanks	16:30
glass	hehe	16:30
RST38h	What can go wrong? =)	16:30
glass	dunno, what can go wrong with a human in charge	16:30
RST38h	glass: Human is easier to dispose of.	16:31
glass	not necessarely	16:31
suihkulokki	like in the killdozer case?	16:31
glass	bombing a tank that has nobody in it is not a big deal	16:31
glass	bombing a tank that has a grunt, even if slightly mad, is a big deal	16:32
RST38h	suih: Hey, the killdozer guys was SMART	16:32
RST38h	Most humans are not like him	16:32
glass	yeah most humans who want to die don't bother with building a tank	16:32
RST38h	glass: notice that wanting to die wasn't at the top of his todo list	16:33
RST38h	glass: that is a sure sign of a smart person	16:33
glass	yeah if you're going to go might just as well do something with it	16:34
glass	but	16:34
glass	thats not the way a depressed person does things	16:34
RST38h	glass: maybe he wasn't depressed, OR he was smart enough to deal with his depression constructively	16:35
glass	well, if it was constructive or not is up to discussion :D	16:35
glass	burned with hate perhaps	16:35
glass	anyways, he didn't want to be a normo	16:35
RST38h	glass: Surely he got even, goal reached, that is constructive	16:35
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lardman	hmm, "looks like 3G tablet is just rumours at this point" - very strange	16:37
glass	who said that?	16:37
RST38h	lardman: depends on who is writing this	16:37
glass	yeah	16:37
lardman	just sent to maemo-devel list	16:37
glass	you gotta remember, lots and lots and lots of idiots want to be mobile journalists	16:37
lardman	the "3G model?" thread	16:38
glass	and experts	16:38
glass	if you ask nokia as a pr person, thats probably what you'd get as answer, that it's just rumours.. i guess	16:38
RST38h	glass <-- apparently understood that "idiots" and "journalists" are the same thing =)	16:38
glass	i should head home	16:38
GeneralAntilles	How are there so many people who don't know anything about the next tablet. . . .	16:38
glass	RST38h: pretty much so :D	16:38
GeneralAntilles	glass, the armchair mobile analysts make me crazy.	16:39
glass	GeneralAntilles: well, if they werent idiots, they wouldn't be armchair analysts	16:39
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	16:40
RST38h	I hope you are not saying that we can't analyze available data?	16:40
glass	and if the idiot journos knew something, they wouldn't be journalists	16:40
glass	(pay reasons)	16:40
lbt	I don't like [ ] Disabled. I think [ ] Usage challenged is far more PC	16:40
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, I'm saying that people who don't have a clue should STFU. ;)	16:41
RST38h	General: But not having a clue opens such wide analytic opportunities! =)	16:42
lardman	GeneralAntilles: +1	16:44
wazd	Now I'm sick of three words: Crysis, Social network and Competitor :)	16:44
lardman	what's wrong with crysis?	16:45
lbt	well Crysis is a new word	16:45
lardman	or a game :)	16:45
RST38h	wazd:Why no iPhone in the list?	16:45
lbt	you can't be sick of it - it's only 5 irc lines old	16:45
lardman	wazd: s/cyrsis/crisis	16:45
RST38h	lbt: Crisis.	16:45
lbt	ah	16:45
* RST38h usually spells it as Crazies, so he can't complain		16:45
lbt	what crisis?	16:45
lardman	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crysis :)	16:46
wazd	oh, mai ingleesh iz bed :(	16:46
lardman	no :) easy mistake to make	16:46
wazd	but whatever, I'm sick of crisis :)	16:47
wazd	It's fricking everywhere)	16:47
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RST38h	wazd: www.lurkmore.ru and never come back =)	16:47
lbt	turn the TV off and it goes away	16:47
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wazd	lbt: I don't watch the tv but it still follows me :(	16:48
lbt	wazd: do what I did	16:50
lbt	lose your job and stay at home....	16:50
lbt	tada	16:50
lbt	no more crisis ;)	16:50
wazd	I'm gonna write my very own post without that words :)	16:50
wazd	lbt: already did it :(	16:50
matmo	hi all. I have a vague memory of problems with local network connections when not on-line, anyone with better memory? Maybe it is this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767	16:50
* GeneralAntilles is just glad he can hide from stupid article discussions on LinuxDevices.		16:50
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Stskeeps	woo, me haz a 770 now	16:52
qwerty12	it came? :)	16:52
Stskeeps	those things are amazingily light really	16:52
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X-Fade	Stskeeps: Ah, so you now have them all? :)	16:53
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aquatix	gotta catch'em all!	16:53
RST38h	except for N9x0 of course	16:53
Stskeeps	X-Fade: hehe, 770, n800 at home and a n810 at work (borrowed from forum nokia contact :P)	16:53
Stskeeps	i will do a photo of mer on all of them at some point :P	16:53
Stskeeps	but i immediately get hit by the 802.11n network bug, heh	16:55
matmo	I still like the 770's design	16:55
Stskeeps	i was amazed how lighter it is than n800 and n810 :P	16:56
X-Fade	Stskeeps: And I don't think that wifi works on 770 for Mer?	16:56
Stskeeps	X-Fade: it does, but i need to debug some things	16:56
Stskeeps	and i didn't get wifi working in Maemo yet either :P	16:56
lardman	Stskeeps: is it lighter or just less dense?	16:56
X-Fade	lardman: No it is a bit lighter.	16:57
Stskeeps	lardman: i am not sure, but my first impression was that it was lighter	16:57
lardman	ah fair enough	16:57
aquatix	for the perl programmers among you: http://glyphic.s3.amazonaws.com/ozone/mark/periodic/Periodic%20Table%20of%20the%20Operators%20A4%20300dpi.jpg	16:57
lbt	fabulous isn't it	16:58
lbt	I just can't see C/C++ coders creating that	16:59
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lbt	PHP people maybe........using crayons....	16:59
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Stskeeps	lo moontiger	17:12
moontiger	Stskeeps, yo!! :)	17:12
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johnx	m00f	17:21
Stskeeps	moo	17:21
johnx	weather turned coolish again here...I am not amused	17:22
Stskeeps	i'm charging the new 770	17:22
johnx	wow! fast delivery	17:22
Stskeeps	yeah	17:22
johnx	so what do you think about the formfactor?	17:22
Stskeeps	interesting	17:22
Stskeeps	it is lighter than my n800	17:23
Stskeeps	i think it might be purse-able for the gf	17:23
johnx	she must carry a small purse :) my wife's definition of purse is something he could throw her old Toshiba 15.4" laptop in O_o	17:23
Stskeeps	hehe	17:24
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aquatix	johnx: those luggable trunks? :)	17:24
Stskeeps	we are adding nokia changes to HAL, can you verify they don't break zaurus when it is built?	17:25
johnx	sure, but zaurus doesn't do much specific stuff with HAL	17:25
Stskeeps	still, but if it segfaults its not good ;)	17:25
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matmo	ha, my memory is not so bad. Posted nearly 2yrs ago "Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected " (http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-May/045787.html). Anyone know if this is just a browser problem and/or what the current situation is?	17:29
Corsac	Stskeeps: that will enable mer to have battery stuff working?	17:29
Stskeeps	matmo: i think timeless discussed it the other day	17:30
matmo	here?	17:30
Stskeeps	Corsac: no, but it will help on Fn and some other things, like, sensors	17:30
Stskeeps	matmo: yeah	17:30
Corsac	ok	17:30
matmo	ok, I will check logs, thanks	17:30
Stskeeps	Corsac: battery stuff is in the brewery :P	17:31
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qwerty12_mer	Did daperl get around to publishing/giving hints about his current work btw?	17:32
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Jaffa	matmo: Browser has some specific hacks	17:32
Stskeeps	i will prod him next time he's here	17:32
Stskeeps	it's intentional i don't develop it myself so	17:32
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matmo	Jaffa: ok, thanks	17:34
Jaffa	matmo: but its an icd bug	17:34
matmo	Jaffa: oh, so any locally based sockets based client/server will have same problem?	17:34
Stskeeps	if the app cares about ICD	17:35
Jaffa	matmo: if the client uses libconic/icd, yes.	17:35
qwerty12_mer	Jaffa, I'd have thought it was an browser problem because the app is requesting a connection?	17:35
wazd	ok, I've done the post	17:35
wazd	waiting for draft to save	17:35
Stskeeps	woo	17:36
Jaffa	qwerty12_mer: The browser says to libconic, "I want to talk to localhost" - it's an icd problem in that it doesn't realise that hostname is the tablet itself.	17:36
wazd	cause that stupid wordpress asses cant fix my publishing layout	17:36
matmo	I'm only interested in a client making a connection using "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" if needed. I'm not familiar with libconic. Will using 127.0.0.1 avoid the problem?	17:37
Jaffa	qwerty12_mer: The browser-specific hack does, indeed, not talk to libconic if hostname == localhost, but what if /etc/hposts has some other string which resolves to 127.0.0.1	17:37
Jaffa	matmo: I can't remember. timeless would know - and there's a bug in bugzilla which goes into more detail	17:37
qwerty12_mer	Jaffa, ah :), I'd have thought that the browser would have avoided libconic if it was localhost :)	17:38
matmo	Jaffa: is that the bug I link to above at 14.40 ?	17:38
wazd	http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/	17:38
Jaffa	matmo: yup, that is'	17:39
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GeneralAntilles	Still no new Council posts on pmo. . . .	17:39
Jaffa	qwerty12_mer: it does, but it's a workaround :)	17:39
* GeneralAntilles is now tired of looking at more of ThoughtFix's iPhone- and netbook-envy silliness.		17:39
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qwerty12_mer	Jaffa, ah, I evidently don't know what I am talking about so I shall step back :	17:40
matmo	Jaffa: then from reading that it is not considered a bug. I need to know if I create a local server that the user is not going to get prompted to go on line.	17:41
Jaffa	wazd: nice - although it's a bit confusing in the first few shots that you can see some of the Tasks content with it unselected. Perhaps all of them should be like an accordion?	17:41
johnx	GeneralAntilles, you're right: the tegra craziness is quite odd	17:41
Stskeeps	wazd: home screen tasks bar, vertical, where does home screen go?	17:42
Stskeeps	er, horiz	17:42
GeneralAntilles	I bet a lot of it simply has to do with brand recognition.	17:42
GeneralAntilles	GPUs are popular with the young people, calculators are not. ;)	17:42
wazd	Stskeeps: it's under Mer menu, it's not shown without Mer menu	17:43
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RST38h	Without any NIT news frm Nokia, people will follow any device that looks even remotely like a NIT	17:43
Stskeeps	wazd: k	17:43
RST38h	So, I do not see what you find odd	17:43
johnx	GeneralAntilles, in fact I think I said something similar, :) but the lack of love for the snapdragon is strange, in comparison	17:43
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qwerty12_mer	GeneralAntilles, well... I do find cheating popular with young people..	17:43
GeneralAntilles	Qualcomm doesn't give enough details on anything for it to be interesting. ;)	17:44
johnx	thought they had a demo or something...but basically it's an A8 running close to 1GHz	17:44
johnx	pretty easy to guess how it will perform (in CPU bound tasks) compared to an OMAP3	17:45
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GeneralAntilles	I'm interested to see what sort of battery life they get out of that.	17:45
johnx	good compared to the atom probably :)	17:45
johnx	it's a netbook part IIRC	17:45
johnx	will be interesting to see if they can really find a market	17:45
GeneralAntilles	Didn't they have it in a cellular device?	17:45
RST38h	General: I have got datasheet on iMX.31	17:45
RST38h	general: It is pretty good	17:46
GeneralAntilles	How is Freescale's Linux support, anyway?	17:50
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johnx	they keep popping up on linuxdevices.com RSS feed, but I've never used anything with a freescale let alone a freescale part running linux	17:50
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	17:51
GeneralAntilles	Does anybody actually use them?	17:51
johnx	pandora was going to. probably some winmo phones are using freescale parts. probably some nas boxes and routers too	17:51
RST38h	General: non existant	17:51
GeneralAntilles	I've been really impressed with TI's Linux support.	17:52
RST38h	General: Depends on the chip though, because Freescale is mainly a reseller	17:52
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johnx	the most notable thing about TI's linux support is how much it's improved in such a short time	17:53
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johnx	also how much they seem to 'get it'	17:53
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GeneralAntilles	Actually, TI's good support is part of why the Tegra insanity bothers me so much. ;)	17:54
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Corsac	http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/18/wimax-equipped-samsung-swd-m100d-mid-spotted-at-mwc/ too bad it runs winmo...	17:54
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johnx	GeneralAntilles, luckily the semi-informed masses don't really work into the equation at all	17:55
GeneralAntilles	Hehe, true.	17:55
RST38h	General: There is no Tegra insanity	17:55
RST38h	General: There is NVidia trying to monetize on its IP in mobile market	17:55
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johnx	RST38h, from forum fanboys there is some strange tegra worship. that's what we're talking about	17:55
GeneralAntilles	^	17:56
RST38h	general: And there is a bunch of Maemo folks forced to discuss various crap while Maemo is in limbo	17:56
aquatix	Corsac: interesting	17:56
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aquatix	Corsac: too bad for wince indeed	17:56
RST38h	johnx: Fanboys are like that. They are also known to flip between awe and hate toward the same subject really quick	17:56
johnx	RST38h, it's on engadget and gizmodo comments too. it's just funny because there aren't/weren't xscale or omap3 or snapdragon fanboys	17:57
johnx	nvidia just generates that kind of buzz I guess	17:57
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johnx	it's like if there was this sudden fanboy outbreak excited about a brand of shoe laces	17:58
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RST38h	johnx: the initial presentation form nvidia was kinda stunning indeed	17:59
GeneralAntilles	Ha, apparently Burger King wants to be Krystal now.	18:00
RST38h	johnx: + you have already got a base of nvidia fanboys from gaming world	18:00
RST38h	General: Krysa (rus.) - a rat	18:00
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.krystal.com/	18:00
johnx	GeneralAntilles, that sounds kind of like a hooker/pornstar name	18:00
RST38h	umgh...shouldn't have looked at this url	18:01
GeneralAntilles	I want some Steak'n'Shake now. . .	18:01
* hanno had hopes for news on an N810 successor device from MWC.		18:02
hanno	any news?	18:02
GeneralAntilles	hanno, no.	18:02
Stskeeps	we'll see alpha SDK first	18:03
GeneralAntilles	Gonna be another month or two at least.	18:03
* hanno sighs.		18:03
GeneralAntilles	Alpha SDK is coming shortly and it'll have the new UI, anyway.	18:03
wazd	GeneralAntilles: how shortly?)	18:03
hanno	A befriended journalist who visits MWC wrote me that he thinks Nokia will kill the tablet since it's too geeky, anyway.	18:04
* hanno sold his N810 months ago in the hopes of an upcoming successor device.		18:04
Stskeeps	hanno: they're using an awful lot of money on it if they are killing it :P	18:04
johnx	muahaha...google 'krystal' and hit the image search (but only if you're not at work)	18:04
GeneralAntilles	hanno, then he's not paying very good attention.	18:04
wazd	hanno: we already discussed journalists here xD	18:04
wazd	johnx: Krystal Steal?))	18:04
Jaffa	wazd: shortly enough	18:05
GeneralAntilles	hanno, the good news to take away from the delayed announcement is that you'll be waiting less time between announcement and shipping. :)	18:05
roope	Alpha SDK will show some parts of the new UI. Not all, afaik. there's the beta coming soon after.	18:05
roope	which afaik has it all.	18:05
* hanno is having bad withdrawal symptoms.		18:06
hanno	my netbook just doesn't cut it.	18:06
Stskeeps	if i glue this 770 and n800 together i have a very cool nintendo ds..	18:06
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johnx	Stskeeps, you're just short one decent d-pad :)	18:07
Stskeeps	yeah	18:07
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GeneralAntilles	It's unfortunate they went back to the crap stylus with the N810	18:07
GeneralAntilles	The N800's stylus is one of the better ones.	18:08
* aquatix almost never uses styli anyway		18:08
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, neither do I.	18:08
GeneralAntilles	But still.	18:08
johnx	one day I'll find a way to get one...	18:09
* Stskeeps ponders how difficult it would be to set up nfs boot on 770		18:09
GeneralAntilles	johnx, I can bring one of my backups to the Summit if you'd like.	18:09
johnx	sure, if you're not using it	18:10
GeneralAntilles	I've got 4 extras	18:10
geoaxis	Mek: yeah , thanks	18:10
GeneralAntilles	I don't lose styluses. ;)	18:10
* johnx ponders all the devices he'll be lugging		18:10
matmo	Jaffa: thanks for pointing me to timeless discussion. Clear as mud now :-) See ya.	18:11
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Stskeeps	hmm, usbnet RDNIS was not yet broken in 770 was it?	18:11
Stskeeps	NDIS, that is	18:11
qwerty12	No, broken by nokia since 2.6.21	18:11
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wazd	me wants new UI...	18:12
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Stskeeps	boy, this thing needs mer..	18:18
X-Fade	It sure does :)	18:18
jeremiah	Was that you who blogged abou the Mer UI Stskeeps? Good post!	18:19
Stskeeps	jeremiah: nop, wazd, i am horrid in that area	18:19
X-Fade	jeremiah: No that was wazd ;)	18:19
Stskeeps	.. does 770 even do WPA2?	18:19
jeremiah	wazd: Good post!	18:20
jeremiah	Now, back to hacking in my rootstrap . . .	18:20
wazd	jeremiah: thanks)	18:21
X-Fade	Heh, jeremiah gets to know the joys of Scratchbox ;)	18:21
* Stskeeps gets out the emergency vodka		18:22
jeremiah	Did someone say vodka?	18:22
Stskeeps	ooh. you'll be fun at the next summit :>	18:22
X-Fade	wazd: What does the 'All' icon do?	18:22
jeremiah	Im shuree ull be reeeel funn. hic	18:23
jeremiah	Yeah, I like that All hand icon. But what does it do?	18:23
wazd	X-Fade: well, I planned it to sow all the stuff from all categories. Mostly for large screens (works as Personal Menu)	18:24
Relent	hm	18:24
X-Fade	wazd: But how would you show 50 icons ? :)	18:24
wazd	My next post would be bout large screen layout	18:24
X-Fade	Ah ;)	18:25
X-Fade	Got to step out for a while. BBL.	18:25
* hanno realizes how much he's out of touch with current status of Maemo.		18:26
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hanno	Uhm, is Mer somehow part of an upcoming N900 device? Or is this completely independent?	18:26
johnx	hanno, the latter :)	18:26
johnx	but Nokia is being helpful	18:27
hanno	oooohkay.	18:27
* jeremiah downloads raw mer image to run in virtualbox		18:28
Stskeeps	raw?	18:29
Stskeeps	grab vmdk	18:29
Stskeeps	it is more sane	18:29
Stskeeps	even for virtualbox	18:29
jeremiah	Okay, will do	18:29
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hanno	Is there a list of Mer hardware platforms people use out there?	18:30
Stskeeps	770, n800, n810, beagleboard, pocket loox, pandora devel board.. x86 (vmware, my laptop, virtualbox, parrallels)	18:31
johnx	but anything with a vga screen, 64MB (optimally 128MB+), that can boot ubuntu is a potential mer target :)	18:31
Stskeeps	or debian-armel (eventually=	18:33
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wazd	I think with dpi setting even lowres screens can handle mer	18:41
johnx	lots of resources are fixed size though...	18:41
Stskeeps	right, now how do i pop ze battery..	18:43
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Stskeeps	ah, there	18:44
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, as with all tablets, tap it on your palm. :P	18:46
qwerty12	Is it too late to recommend a knife? :)	18:47
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if his cellphone will die if he uses it as a rootfs over usb host.		18:49
johnx	your cellphone has usb host?	18:50
jeremiah	nah	18:50
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, that'd be NFS over 3G? ;)	18:50
Stskeeps	oh. better yet. use n800 as usb mass storage.	18:50
qwerty12	johnx, use the phone in mass storage mode I guess	18:50
johnx	ah, getting a 770 into usb host mode is kind of a PITA though, isn't it?	18:51
Stskeeps	we'll see	18:51
Stskeeps	:P	18:51
timeless	hello cruel world	18:52
timeless	andre__:ping ping ping ping ping	18:52
timeless	cruel world: ping	18:52
qwerty12	timeless, you make it cruel by inflicting your horrible locales upon us. :P	18:52
timeless	if you were to start a device and it gave you two things you could change	18:52
timeless	1. "Language"	18:53
GeneralAntilles	Is that the sound of hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P	18:53
timeless	2. "Region"	18:53
timeless	which of those two should influence the way a date stamp should be displayed	18:53
GeneralAntilles	s/of/off/	18:53
timeless	and how	18:53
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Is that the sound off hail bouncing of andre_k's skull? :P	18:53
timeless	for simplicity, LAnguage = Italian	18:53
timeless	Region= USA	18:53
GeneralAntilles	Region?	18:53
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andre__	damn reconnect crap	18:54
andre__	hummmm?	18:54
johnx	have to agree with GeneralAntilles here	18:54
timeless	what should happen for a date (December 25, 2010, GMT, 14 hours past day start)	18:54
timeless	andre__ i need help delivering a fatal death blow	18:54
timeless	andre__ : feel free to leak whichever bits are necessary	18:54
timeless	then collect sufficient lightning to strike	18:54
andre__	delivering it? let me be the messenger of destruction!	18:54
* timeless goes to seek some internal help from Emeritus people		18:55
andre__	date format depends on regional settings, not on device language	18:55
GeneralAntilles	Finish him!	18:55
jeremiah	Stskeeps: Has anyone every booted Mer in a Virtualbox machine?	18:57
Stskeeps	jeremiah: yeah, i use it	18:57
johnx	same here	18:57
* qwerty12 uses it in VMWare		18:57
johnx	it's disturbingly fast	18:57
lardman	timeless: I'd be tempted to say let the user change it anyway - for example I use Imperial units for long distances - miles, but metric for short - cm, etc	18:57
jeremiah	Stskeeps: It is giving me an error of "no bootable medium found."	18:58
Stskeeps	jeremiah: hmmm. sure you added the hd?	18:58
* Jaffa 's not used 0.8 in VirtualBox		18:58
jeremiah	hd?	18:58
Jaffa	jeremiah: followed the instructions in the wiki? ;-)	18:58
Stskeeps	well, grabbed the vmdk, added it to the media manager and added it to the virtual machine	18:58
jeremiah	Jaffa: I do believe so.	18:58
jeremiah	I have a bunch of nicely working vms in Virtualbox already	18:59
Stskeeps	and it says mer-x86-generic-image-v0.8.vmdk in the virtual machine description (2,00gb) ?	18:59
Jaffa	http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8#Installation_in_VirtualBox FWIW	18:59
Stskeeps	(and not .zip)	18:59
jeremiah	Stskeeps: Yes. (I unziped it.) :)	18:59
Stskeeps	jeremiah: just checking :>	18:59
jeremiah	Stskeeps: I understand, one has to ask this kind of question. ;)	19:00
Stskeeps	jeremiah: until we get some kind of understanding of your skill, yes ;)	19:00
jeremiah	np, I got nothin' to hide. :)	19:00
timelE61i	aNdre: so, please deliver lightning strike, and fire+brimstone	19:01
timelE61i	Ok?	19:01
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jeremiah	I did download a new version of Virtualbox	19:01
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andre__	timelE61i, let me get my old WMDs that i still have under my bed...	19:02
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udovdh	anybody here has a working bitbake setup for n810?	19:04
timelE61i	i'll reimburse you if your strike works :)	19:04
udovdh	OE?	19:04
Stskeeps	the 770 usb host trick is not just the use of F-F cable is it?	19:04
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, you need a power injector.	19:04
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: and powered usb hub doesn't do the trick i guess	19:05
Stskeeps	(like with n800)	19:05
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johnx	IIUC power needs to be going back into the 770 as well	19:06
Stskeeps	lovely	19:07
johnx	scary, huh?	19:07
Stskeeps	yes, after i recall the guy who fried his 770 to do Deblet..	19:07
johnx	yeah	19:07
johnx	was just about to mention that	19:07
jeremiah	Stskeeps: Do you have an ISO format, I think virtualbox does not like the VMDK	19:07
jeremiah	Time to bust out some googling	19:08
Stskeeps	jeremiah: no sorry, we do have raw :P but vmdk should work fine	19:08
johnx	it's working nicely here on ubuntu's (8.10) virtualbox	19:09
jeremiah	Hmm. Won't fly in Virtualbox 2.1.4, can't find bootable media.	19:10
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Stskeeps	and it is listed as a HD?	19:10
jeremiah	Google tells me that VMDK should work, as you said.	19:10
Jaffa	0.7 worked in VirtualBox PUEL from virtualbox.org (on 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10)	19:10
jeremiah	Do you mean listed as a hard drive?	19:10
Stskeeps	yeah	19:10
johnx	could you maybe put up a screenshot of your 'details' tab from the main virtualbox window?	19:11
johnx	also, you're not using an alternate virtualbox frontend right?	19:11
johnx	I couldn't make it work in the gtk version for some reason...	19:11
jeremiah	I will post a screenshot.	19:12
johnx	hmm, 2.1.4? Stskeeps what version of vbox are you using?	19:13
Stskeeps	2.1.0, on my x86	19:13
Stskeeps	(windows)	19:13
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jeremiah	Yeah, virtualbox just released a new version today which I am running. :/	19:14
jeremiah	Not always good to be early adopter.	19:14
johnx	well, I'll install it and see if things break :)	19:15
wazd	http://i.gizmodo.com/5155597/coolest-cellphone-interface-ever-is-also-absolutely-useless	19:15
Jaffa	Does the changelog contain "toggle don't-work switch to true"	19:15
wazd	woohohow)	19:15
wazd	thats awesome)	19:15
wazd	holy crap, thats very nice!	19:16
Jaffa	Doesn't actually look useful though (and is a bit laggy on the sideways swipes - could just be youtube)	19:17
johnx	texture thrashing maybe?	19:17
qwerty12	Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get of the underground for example?	19:18
qwerty12	s/of/off/	19:18
infobot	qwerty12 meant: Think gizmodo got it right, way too OTT for a phone - who's gonna be able to swipe their finger around a lot to get to their contacts when they get off the underground for example?	19:18
wazd	who cares bout usability with this)	19:18
wazd	It's very pretty)	19:18
Jaffa	qwerty12: indeed, most of these whizzy UIs (and the non-whizzy ones like Maemo) aren't very usable bouncing around on public transport	19:18
wazd	And it's fresh looking	19:19
timelE61i	wAzd: just wait until you have a pannable country picker	19:20
timelE61i	Sorted alphabetically, starting at a	19:20
GeneralAntilles	Ah, OMAP3 is gonna be fun. . . .	19:20
timelE61i	Where you need to select USA	19:20
suihkulokki	serves the yankees right :P	19:20
timelE61i	Suih: you @work?	19:20
suihkulokki	on the way home	19:21
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timelE61i	Next time you have a remark like that, drop by so i can strangle you in person	19:21
lardman	timelE61i: well if the ui spec changes and allows lists/menus to scroll round the bottom it won't matter so much ;)	19:21
timelE61i	Btw, reaching F isn't cake either	19:21
timelE61i	Lardman: F is still hard to reach :)	19:22
johnx	well if it rubberbands you can just stretch the list juuust right and slingshot it down to the bottom...	19:22
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lardman	true	19:22
qwerty12	If it has a keyboard, I'd hope that you'd be able to press U	19:22
johnx	n800 becomes a lot more usable on a commuter train when it's in portrait mode	19:23
Stskeeps	suihkulokki: adding the transitional and libhildon-1-0 to todo, any good places for seeing what are "good" names for libraries?	19:23
dneary	hi lardman	19:23
dneary	You got a vote in the referenda, didn't you?	19:23
lardman	dneary: yes thanks	19:24
suihkulokki	timelE61i, that's kinda lazy, for a credible threat of violence you should threaten to drop by :)	19:24
lardman	dneary: why the doubt?	19:24
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Jaffa	dneary: good post about the community manager - but as you're reeling off the problems about community involvement on corporate-led projects I'm thinking "yup, that's Maemo".	19:24
timelE61i	i don't want to be credible	19:24
dneary	lardman: The karma issue	19:24
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timelE61i	That'd be bad for my employment	19:25
suihkulokki	Stskeeps: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#naminglibpkg	19:25
dneary	Jaffa: So we need to address the problems	19:25
Stskeeps	suihkulokki: ta, we'll comb over the other libraries too	19:25
timelE61i	sOrry, i'm really upset	19:25
lardman	dneary: ah yeah, my karma is fine for that, and everything else, just annoying that it's not right	19:25
lardman	:)	19:25
dneary	Nokia's putting lots of resources into community enablement, and a specific community manager probably wouldn't help much	19:25
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lardman	yeah, I'm not sold on the need for one of those actually	19:26
dneary	lardman: You're over 100K, are you?	19:26
lardman	yeah, ~350 iirc	19:26
lardman	but I should have a couple of hundred more I think	19:26
timelE61i	350k what?	19:26
lardman	100k!	19:26
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lardman	over 100 :)	19:26
dneary	350 Karma	19:26
* Jaffa read it as 100,000 ;-)		19:27
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* timelE61i too		19:28
timelE61i	or 350*1024	19:28
suihkulokki	Stskeeps: thanks in advance. Now that the "we are waiting for lenny freeze to end" excuse is gone, I need to look more into getting mer packages to debian	19:28
Stskeeps	nod if you need a playground for hwcap stuff, we're good too	19:28
timelE61i	Sui: theme picker package :)	19:29
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johnx	just booted mer in the latest virtualbox (2.1.4). seems just fine, but sun's registration pop-up is annoying...	19:29
suihkulokki	timelE61i: which one?	19:29
Stskeeps	hildon-theme-selector, heh	19:30
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Stskeeps	i think one of the next steps for mer is really the control panels..	19:30
timelE61i	yep	19:30
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timelE61i	Non nokia cpls=goood	19:30
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sold on the community manager idea, either.	19:31
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GeneralAntilles	Especially when considering it from the "what would you do with x dollars a year" perspective.	19:31
johnx	well, the name of the position certainly doesn't inspire warm fuzzy feelings	19:31
Stskeeps	i think my focus the next less than 14 days is improving 770 port and making the flashable n8x0 images.. and perhaps N-M patches	19:32
Zic	GeneralAntilles: "Based on certain comments from Nokia about smartphones and Linux, I think Maemo with cellular voice is inevitable. I don't think it'll be this generation, however." <- oh, my dream ;)	19:32
johnx	Stskeeps, ah, for nm you might want to look at stuff the OE guys have done	19:32
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johnx	the OE and Ohand guys I should say	19:32
GeneralAntilles	I'd rather pay somebody to be a technical reference like Eero fulltime.	19:32
suihkulokki	what's the differences between hildon-theme-layout-4(\|-synth\|ex)	19:33
Stskeeps	suihkulokki: i think it's extended coverage of icons, and some use of ubuntulooks engine, etc	19:33
Stskeeps	synth is the LCARS guys, -ex is the liberty theme	19:34
qwerty12	suihkulokki, synth has things like hardware detection added and ex also has nokia sans references removed for one	19:34
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suihkulokki	so they are basicly replacements for plankton?	19:36
Stskeeps	nah, layout and plankton is different	19:36
Stskeeps	they are theme layouts.. it is a bit weird until you take a look at it	19:36
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GeneralAntilles	If we're going to make any progress, it's going to have to come from management.	19:37
Stskeeps	layout + theme source + tools (slicer) -> theme	19:37
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suihkulokki	right	19:38
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wazd	I think we should decide with UI and then make theme layouts :)	19:50
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wazd	cya	19:50
johnx	wazd, have you looked a bit into how theme layouts work?	19:51
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wazd	Resistive touchscreens are less accurate and more frustrating to use with full touchscreen devices,	19:54
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wazd	wow, didn't know that engadget is so lame)	19:54
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GeneralAntilles	"Accurate" is a tough word to define sometimes.	19:58
GeneralAntilles	Capacitive is, arguably, more accurate	19:59
GeneralAntilles	In that it's better at picking up taps	19:59
GeneralAntilles	but it's also less precise.	19:59
* johnx goes insane		20:02
wazd	johnx: emmm, nope)	20:03
wazd	johnx: how they work?)	20:03
johnx	heh...kind of hard to sum it up on IRC in a couple lines :P	20:04
jeremiah	w00t, grub loaded.	20:04
johnx	jeremiah, woo! what was the problem?	20:04
jeremiah	I think I corrupted my vmdk when I unzipped. :}	20:04
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jeremiah	I re-downloaded, checked the md5sums, and everything worked fine	20:05
wazd	Stskeeps: how's Shutter77 work going?) Has he made up something already?	20:05
Stskeeps	wazd: not sure, haven't heard from him	20:05
Stskeeps	(he got the job to do some icons=	20:05
wazd	Stskeeps: lazy bastard :)	20:05
johnx	wazd, basically, I think some of your ideas can be implemented easily, with a couple tweaks, some will need patches to h-d which we're doing anyways, and some (the menu stuff) will probably be quite hard (so maybe longterm?)	20:05
wazd	Stskeeps: I've tried to promote some young designers so they would have real work, not some jerking around with photoshop, but they all are too lazy :( Or young maybe(	20:07
skibur	is there a Debian Internet tablet website other than ITT?	20:07
wazd	johnx: well, it's totally up to programmers how they will do that stuff :) If it's too hard I can think of something simplier if you like	20:08
johnx	wazd, I'm going to dig into applying ubuntu's patches to h-d as soon as I get a decent xserver for the zaurus working. then I'll look at doing what I can with theme layouts	20:09
johnx	then I'll have a better idea about what to tell you can or can't be done	20:09
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wazd	btw we can just approve UI design and make theme layout for it without actually making it work	20:10
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wazd	Just make theme elements we need for future	20:10
johnx	ah, but how the code works will determine some the UI elements I think	20:11
johnx	s/some/the look of some of/	20:11
infobot	johnx meant: ah, but how the code works will determine the look of some of the UI elements I think	20:11
wazd	well, I'll continue to make mockups and wait for your signal to make template layout :)	20:13
jeremiah	Wah? You guys have perl 5.10 on Mer and Maemo has 5.8.4?	20:14
jeremiah	sheesh	20:14
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johnx	we're tracking ubuntu jaunty :)	20:14
wazd	Maybe I'll do a theme for canola :)	20:14
jeremiah	Which means you are pretty up-to-date	20:14
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qwerty12	Maemo has perl-base by default, most perl things don't really work by default until you install perl-modules from SDK repo and that takes 20MB...	20:14
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jeremiah	qwerty12: Hmm, interesting.	20:15
jeremiah	So you need a lot of disk for the perl modules eh?	20:15
jeremiah	But 20MB doesn't seem that much.	20:15
qwerty12	Actually, I should rephrase "most perl things don't really work by default", it's more like "most perl things that use external modules don't really work by default" :)	20:16
johnx	the tablet starts life with 128MB free	20:16
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qwerty12	You certainly can't use dpkg-dev on Maemo with just perl-base though :)	20:16
jeremiah	Well, all I can say is that I am impressed with Mer.	20:17
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jeremiah	And will do what I can to help out.	20:18
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johnx	:)	20:19
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* GeneralAntilles is tired of the silliness.		20:53
GeneralAntilles	I should probably do something productive like install Mer. . . .	20:53
johnx	which silliness?	20:53
GeneralAntilles	johnx, itT, tabletblog, -developers. . . .	20:53
johnx	ah	20:54
johnx	I get my silliness quotient from itt alone :)	20:54
Corsac	mpf, is it too much asking to be able to sync contacts and calendar with n810? :)	20:54
johnx	and when that doesn't do the trick I hit up comments on engadget	20:54
johnx	Corsac, probably :)	20:54
johnx	Corsac, what applications on the tablet and what applications on the desktop?	20:55
Corsac	whatever on the tablet, evolution on the desktop	20:55
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johnx	you could try sending a .vcf aka vcard to the tablet's contacts app	20:56
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johnx	you might want to try some non-Nokia PIM stuff though	20:56
Stskeeps	heh, "Edit layout" on OS2007HE is kinda neat	20:56
Corsac	yeah but that's not really sync :)	20:57
Corsac	I'd like to be able to add stuff on whatever calendar/contacts on whatever device and have it correctly sync'ed	20:57
johnx	Stskeeps, yeah. I was sad to see that go...	20:57
Corsac	I know this is not an easy problem, but…	20:57
Corsac	johnx: yeah I'm looking at GPE stuff	20:57
johnx	ah. good	20:57
timeless	sts: how is edit layout in 2007he different from normal edit layout?	20:57
johnx	that's probably the right path to follow	20:57
Corsac	johnx: it doesn't really seem to work	20:57
Corsac	:)	20:58
Stskeeps	timeless: there is no edit layout in os2008he. movable applets and not lockable applets	20:58
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Stskeeps	er, diablo, i mean	20:58
johnx	well, it's more likely to work than Nokia's "PIM" stuff	20:58
timeless	oh, yeah, they deleted that feature later	20:58
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timeless	sorry, i'm used to os2007	20:58
timeless	i still had a device running it a few weeks ago	20:58
timeless	ok, imagine you decide to install "Nitro' ("Crash Reporter")	20:59
GeneralAntilles	johnx, I think what bothers me most is people decrying Nokia in areas where they've made great strides.	20:59
timeless	it wants to show a dialog	20:59
timeless	gan: this means you :)	20:59
timeless	the dialog will currently have a title: "Crash Reporter Privacy Note"	20:59
johnx	GeneralAntilles, I do think it's good for companies to get held up to the hot irons on issues like long term support though	20:59
johnx	it makes them worry about it more in the future :)	21:00
timeless	oh my FSCK	21:00
* timeless kicks eero		21:00
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GeneralAntilles	at the same time, I think it's a good idea to give credit where credit is due	21:00
GeneralAntilles	and it lends you're arguments much more weight when you're honest about what the situation really is.	21:00
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johnx	I'll agree to the latter	21:01
GeneralAntilles	You don't think credit is deserved where it's earned?	21:02
johnx	and we give a lot of credit in many visible places	21:02
johnx	so someone has to balance us out by making angry noises about longterm support :)	21:03
timeless	sts/someone:	21:03
timeless	where do localized files belong?	21:03
johnx	I don't see any point in trying to argue with people who aren't likely to change their mind	21:03
timeless	/usr/share/locale/{locale}/{whaT?!}/{package}/{filename}	21:03
GeneralAntilles	johnx, you can make angry noises about longterm support without spouting falsehoods.	21:03
timeless	please explain the 'what' part :)	21:03
GeneralAntilles	Well, there is that.	21:03
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qwerty12_N800	timeless: LC_MESSAGES	21:04
* johnx only has ~24 hours in a day		21:04
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timeless	qwerty: even if it's a file and not a mo file?	21:04
qwerty12_N800	ah, not sure sorry, lemme see if I can find out	21:05
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timeless	the file is currently /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/privacy.txt	21:05
timeless	which is bad for a dozen reasons	21:05
timeless	but it'd help if my bug was complete	21:05
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timeless	jeremiah: ping	21:11
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ShadowJK	oh awesome	21:20
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* ShadowJK finds a store selling spare styluses		21:20
Stskeeps	heh, i just noticed my asus fw on my wifi has kept the VLAN settings from my openwrt, curious	21:21
Stskeeps	so one of the ports is on WAN too	21:21
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, did we ever get a flashable jffs2 image?	21:23
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: working on it.. got some apt problems	21:23
Stskeeps	the mmap patch no longer applies and the workaround causes OOM and kills tablet	21:23
qwerty12_N800	Not even with fuzz?	21:24
Stskeeps	not even with fuzz	21:24
qwerty12_N800	heh :/	21:25
derf	Which mmap patch is this?	21:26
qwerty12_N800	It's in the source for maemo's version of apt	21:27
Stskeeps	derf: basically apt needs shared-write mmap for the cache and jffs2 doesn't support this	21:28
qwerty12_N800	"Make it [apt] work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps." - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/mmap.patch	21:29
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* GeneralAntilles is installing Mer.		21:34
timeless	is there a mer 0.8?	21:34
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.8	21:34
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* Stskeeps notes 770 flashing is slower than n800		21:41
qwerty12_N800	s/flashing//	21:42
GeneralAntilles	^	21:42
* GeneralAntilles boots Mer		21:42
GeneralAntilles	Ugly progressbar. :P	21:43
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slonopotamus	q	21:43
luke-jr	eww	21:43
slonopotamus	oops.	21:43
luke-jr	N810 won't run on AC only	21:43
slonopotamus	i meant hi.	21:44
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, OK, waiting at a blue splashscreen. . . .	21:44
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slonopotamus	how i can determine whether -mtune=arm1136jf-s implies -mfpu=vfp?	21:44
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: yeah, it is a bit slow at start. n8x0 or vm?	21:45
GeneralAntilles	PPC-only here. . . .	21:45
Stskeeps	true	21:45
GeneralAntilles	It's still booting, then?	21:45
GeneralAntilles	Ah, there it is.	21:45
GeneralAntilles	Type your name	21:45
Stskeeps	it will generate rsa and dsa and some other housekeeping stuff at first	21:45
GeneralAntilles	No gesture support for the keyboard?	21:45
Stskeeps	pft :P	21:45
GeneralAntilles	Is that not part of h-i-m or something?	21:46
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slonopotamus	oh	21:46
Stskeeps	define gesture support? :P	21:46
geoaxis	does any one know what broswer android runs and if its possible to port that browser to maemo	21:46
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qwerty12_N800	Nokia's closed source h-i-m plugin	21:46
slonopotamus	tell me what's maemo-launcher and why it is needed?	21:46
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, slide up for uppercase, slide back and forth to delete text.	21:46
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: ah	21:47
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: guess not	21:47
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N800, can we get them to open it, then?	21:47
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Corsac	geoaxis: I'd say chrome?	21:47
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Stskeeps	geoaxis: maybe something alike webkit engine	21:47
geoaxis	Corsac, its QT?	21:47
GeneralAntilles	Corsac, Chrome is x86-only at this point.	21:47
qwerty12_N800	GeneralAntilles: they really should.. dunno why it's even closed...	21:47
Stskeeps	oh, f*k	21:47
GeneralAntilles	I'd say decent text input is critical to the success of any packport.	21:48
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Stskeeps	of course my flashed 770 image doesn't have a root password..	21:48
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GeneralAntilles	geoaxis, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/	21:48
geoaxis	btw the GPS in n810 is a total disaapointment	21:48
GeneralAntilles	geoaxis, did you install AGPS?	21:48
geoaxis	GeneralAntilles: yes i did	21:48
GeneralAntilles	Virtual input is going to have to be seamless for me to use Mer.	21:48
GeneralAntilles	If I have to tap things out on a crappy little half-working VKB, it's not gonna fly. ;)	21:49
Stskeeps	still a bit to go, yeah	21:49
Stskeeps	but we're working with what we have	21:49
Stskeeps	things might be different with a frankenstein version, so	21:49
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, right, these are justifications to get more. ;)	21:49
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: why do you think Chrome is x86 only?	21:49
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: AGPS seems to do nothing on my N810	21:50
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luke-jr	I have yet to see GPS give me any input ☹	21:50
GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, because, for the time being, that's all it's been compiled for.	21:50
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: well, their JIT V8 engine supports ARM	21:50
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Stskeeps	ah. backdoor on usb. lovely :)	21:51
Stskeeps	the things you forget..	21:51
GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, one piece of a browser != the whole browser.	21:51
GeneralAntilles	Bleh, notification area connection notifications gotta go.	21:51
johnx	GeneralAntilles, patches welcome	21:52
Corsac	hmhm, syncevolution requires a syncml server	21:52
GeneralAntilles	johnx, not my job. :P	21:52
johnx	GeneralAntilles, then settle in for a long wait :>	21:52
Corsac	nothing with that sucks	21:53
Corsac	+bluetooth	21:53
* GeneralAntilles waits patiently for the catalogs to update.		21:53
Stskeeps	yeah, HAM wasn't exactly optimized to be dealing with ubuntu universe..	21:53
GeneralAntilles	I guess PSM is still a no-go?	21:53
Stskeeps	no, it is fixed in 0.8	21:53
GeneralAntilles	Weird, WiFi's getting hot.	21:54
Stskeeps	well that can also be from the ubuntu fetching	21:54
johnx	heh, apt-get itself doesn't deal with ubuntu's repos too quickly either on the n800/zaurus :)	21:54
Stskeeps	well, at least its supposed to be fixed :P	21:54
GeneralAntilles	Do we have some decent looking network applet icons?	21:54
Corsac	http://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/2008/02/22/coming-soon-to-an-internet-tablet-near-you/ ><	21:54
Stskeeps	eventually we will have, when someone makes them.. fairly easy to replace	21:55
GeneralAntilles	Is anybody working on that?	21:55
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Stskeeps	think shutter started but didn't hear from him since	21:55
Stskeeps	i think he faded when he saw hildon-icons	21:55
Stskeeps	Corsac: looks like something to be tried on mer	21:56
Corsac	http://blogs.gnome.org/johncarr/tag/maemo/ !	21:56
GeneralAntilles	What distribution does Mer report for a blank distribution field?	21:57
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: not entirely sure	21:58
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GeneralAntilles	Er, no accents?	21:58
GeneralAntilles	How do I get a hyphen?	21:58
Stskeeps	it's the example virtual keyboard, not very functional	21:59
johnx	think os2007 keyboard :)	21:59
johnx	bottom left of the number pad	21:59
johnx	not shifted	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Bleh, looks like a period.	21:59
johnx	put on your glasses :)	21:59
GeneralAntilles	They are	22:00
Corsac	conduit: Depends: python2.5-pygoocanvas but it is not installable	22:00
Corsac	Depends: python2.5-evolution but it is not installable	22:00
* Corsac cries		22:00
GeneralAntilles	Do I really want the Ubuntu repos?	22:00
GeneralAntilles	Waiting for updates after playing with the repos may just end in me killing myself.	22:01
GeneralAntilles	Apparently they're required. . . .	22:01
johnx	well...you might not want them, but you need them	22:01
GeneralAntilles	*it's	22:01
GeneralAntilles	Bizarre, FBReader's not in the list for some reason.	22:03
Stskeeps	its in extras (not -devel)?	22:03
johnx	it might get masked by the version in ubuntu's repo...	22:03
GeneralAntilles	I have both enabled.	22:03
GeneralAntilles	Ah	22:04
johnx	extras are pinned at 500 (default) I assume	22:04
GeneralAntilles	select-menu-location doesn't seem to work	22:05
Corsac	Stskeeps: problem with Mer is that it's not really day2day usable :/	22:05
Stskeeps	Corsac: yeah, but on the other hand, it is a lot more usable than when we started :\|	22:05
Stskeeps	:> i mean	22:05
GeneralAntilles	Corsac, that's why it's not 1.0. ;)	22:05
* johnx runs a native build of xfbdev		22:05
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: afaik, V8 was the only architecture-dependent piece	22:06
johnx	well, the other problem is there isn't a linux port of chrome	22:06
luke-jr	Corsac: Maemo isn't day2day usable IMO	22:06
luke-jr	johnx: yes, that would be a problem :p	22:06
johnx	s/linux/finished linux/	22:06
infobot	johnx meant: well, the other problem is there isn't a finished linux port of chrome	22:06
luke-jr	johnx: on top of Chrome having nothing innovative	22:06
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johnx	the process management is neat	22:07
luke-jr	is it?	22:07
RST38h	remoo	22:07
luke-jr	last I checked, it was nothing different from IE8	22:07
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johnx	hey RST38h	22:07
RST38h	heya johnx	22:08
Corsac	Stskeeps: yeah, no offense intended, it's just that sometime you need the stuff to just work, I have my laptop for breaking stuff on, and I bought the nokia expecting it to just work :)	22:08
Corsac	luke-jr: from Safari you mean?	22:09
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luke-jr	Corsac: no, we're talking process-per-tab, not Webkit	22:09
Corsac	oh.	22:09
Corsac	ok	22:09
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luke-jr	so is KMail 4 usable on Maemo?	22:09
luke-jr	eg, if I only need the app, not the DE?	22:10
thopiekar	I will need DE's librarys to install Mail^^	22:10
luke-jr	?	22:10
thopiekar	hehe.. KMail depens on some files ( packages) of KDE..	22:11
thopiekar	:)	22:11
luke-jr	of course	22:11
luke-jr	kdelibs and kdepimlibs	22:11
thopiekar	true :)	22:12
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, it's pulling from the Ubuntu repo.	22:15
* johnx is going to try ubuntu fbreader on mer/zaurus since his n800 is busy compiling :/		22:15
GeneralAntilles	adv-power doesn't want to install.	22:16
johnx	what dependencies aren't met?	22:16
qwerty12_N800	Needs the closed hald-addon-bme anyway	22:16
StsN800	requires hald-addon-bme	22:16
* thopiekar is going to publish his packages of streamripper and post a thread about that on iTT tomorrow..		22:17
timeless	andre__	22:17
timeless	the bug master has two bugs.maemo.org accounts	22:17
timeless	and it's hurting	22:17
andre__	hmm?	22:17
thopiekar	StsN800: could you please take a look at #mer?	22:18
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StsN800	thopiekar, cooking atm	22:19
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thopiekar	StsN800: oki :)	22:19
GeneralAntilles	johnx, FBReader mostly works.	22:19
GeneralAntilles	No key bindings and no fullscreen, though.	22:20
johnx	yeah, but I do all my keybindings different anyways :)	22:20
thopiekar	could anyone else take a look at #mer who is familar with python?	22:20
GeneralAntilles	Are the cards automounted?	22:20
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johnx	GeneralAntilles, well, / is :) others aren't	22:20
qwerty12_N800	ke-recv may be a possibility now that we've got hald-addon-gpio & -mmc..	22:21
GeneralAntilles	I guess powerlaunch isn't bundled?	22:21
GeneralAntilles	So, how do I turn this thing off? :P	22:22
qwerty12_N800	No, by the time I'd got it running, .8 was released	22:22
Corsac	E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture.	22:22
Corsac	wtf? ><	22:22
RST38h	tf.	22:22
qwerty12_N800	sudo shutdown -h now	22:22
Corsac	are we still in 2005?	22:22
RST38h	we ain't	22:22
* StsN800 doesn't want ke-recv personally		22:22
Corsac	qwerty12_N800: Password:	22:22
RST38h	nokia is	22:22
* johnx parties like it's 2005		22:22
qwerty12_N800	but you can apt-get install powerlaunch	22:23
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qwerty12_N800	StsN800:heh, thinking of something better? :)	22:23
GeneralAntilles	Well, fun times.	22:23
* GeneralAntilles goes back to Diablo.		22:23
qwerty12_N800	Corsac: ?	22:23
StsN800	qwerty12_N800, maybe powerlaunch scripts	22:23
qwerty12_N800	a possibility I guess	22:24
johnx	powerlaunch is nicely abstracted from the hardware, right?	22:24
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GeneralAntilles	Or not. . . .	22:24
GeneralAntilles	Is there anything in particular I need to do differently for a Diablo .item?	22:25
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qwerty12_N800	johnx: well..., it's pretty much maemo & nokia dependent imho	22:25
qwerty12_N800	at least configs are	22:26
StsN800	GeneralAntilles, similar to mer one but with ITEM_LINUXRC removed and rw instead of ro	22:27
GeneralAntilles	Ah, OK.	22:27
GeneralAntilles	Goddamnit . . . still no go.	22:30
StsN800	refreshed bootmenu?	22:31
StsN800	or cped in the item	22:31
GeneralAntilles	fsck segfaults on the partition. <_<	22:31
StsN800	neat	22:32
GeneralAntilles	Christ	22:32
* GeneralAntilles doesn't want to reinstall.		22:32
StsN800	prolly from years on end never getting fscked	22:32
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: what fs?	22:36
GeneralAntilles	EXT3. It's booting.	22:37
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N800, when are you gonna put together a boot screen package?	22:38
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qwerty12_N800	heh, with what graphics? :)	22:39
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N800, any.	22:39
GeneralAntilles	The maemo.org set might be a good one to start with	22:39
GeneralAntilles	Mostly I'm looking for a template package with can use to create others, though.	22:40
qwerty12_N800	For Maemo or Mer?	22:40
GeneralAntilles	Maemo, I guess.	22:40
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qwerty12_N800	I've been itching for an excuse to learn dpkg-divert I guess...	22:41
luke-jr	O.o	22:42
slonopotamus	oh	22:42
slonopotamus	that's some scary thing	22:42
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luke-jr	is it possible to use teh GPS with Google Maps? :/	23:03
qwerty12_N800	maemo mapper	23:03
luke-jr	how? :/	23:04
mavhc	really could do with google making mobile apps for maemo	23:05
GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, read the docs?	23:06
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Proteous	luke-jr: install maemo mapper, tell it to download it's apps from google	23:06
Proteous	er, s/apps/maps/	23:06
zs1	luke-jr: use google street map repository	23:06
luke-jr	I installed it, but Google isn't an option	23:06
Proteous	If I remember right there is an "update map locations" button/function	23:07
Proteous	there is also some option for "use maps that might not be legal to use"	23:07
GeneralAntilles	The documentation it harasses you about when you first open it is helpful.	23:09
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Stskeeps	http://www.allmobileworld.it/?p=8601 <- wtf :P	23:10
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luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: how can I see that?	23:10
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps: i'm still waiting for the 666...	23:12
luke-jr	666 is base 8	23:12
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: pandora is -actually- nokia 666.	23:12
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Stskeeps	but see the video, even if the girl isn't that cute, concept is interesting :P	23:13
qwerty12_N800	that image is so old though :/	23:14
Stskeeps	hehe	23:14
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Stskeeps	yeah, ok, 2005	23:15
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t_s_o	hmm, seems boafm do not cleanly return function to speakers on exit...	23:20
Jaffa	Corsac: if you run the installer through setarch, it works. It's an overzealous check, not an actual requirement	23:21
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luke-jr	grr, Maemo Mapper keeps crashing	23:26
luke-jr	the AGPS app keeps the GPS running tho	23:27
luke-jr	but when Mapper starts again it seems to reset it ☹	23:27
Stskeeps	Maemo Mapper is a bit crashy in latest version	23:27
Stskeeps	not sure why	23:27
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luke-jr	"Go to" doesn't seem to work either	23:29
RST38h	Anyone seen a THUMB function call done with MOV R14,shit ; BLL #0 ?	23:29
qwerty12_N800	shit or shift? :>	23:30
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luke-jr	lol	23:31
RST38h	SHIT	23:31
RST38h	And, by the way, I want to kill whoever has done this	23:31
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Davide	hi do you know would it be possible to run a perl interface on xchat on the N800?	23:34
GeneralAntilles	lol http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=265464&postcount=24	23:34
Corsac	mhmh, multisync with gpesyncd seems to do something, it says sync successfull, but no events in the database in the end :/	23:35
RST38h	General: It is a useless discussion	23:36
RST38h	General: 720p, 1080p, who gives a damn?	23:36
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qwerty12_N800	Davide: you dunno the amount of crap I tried to fix so that xchat could be built with perl... not the same I know, but the version of xchat i put in extras-devel has the python interface enabled	23:37
RST38h	Besides, once you miss cache and go out to SDRAM, both shiny OMAP3 and lowly ARM11 will hang waiting for the 160MHz SDRAM part to respond	23:37
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, apparently that marketing approach is working really well.	23:37
RST38h	General: On mentally soft people, anyway	23:38
GeneralAntilles	OMAP3 is DDR, isn't it?	23:38
RST38h	Dunno	23:38
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GeneralAntilles	I believe it is.	23:38
GeneralAntilles	RAM's faster than OMAP2	23:38
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RST38h	My guess is that in a consumer device you will still get the same standard SDRAM	23:38
Davide	querty12_N800 is it only python can't do perl?	23:38
Stskeeps	console-setup needs to die	23:38
Davide	someone wrote a perl script for me that I wanted to use... a short one	23:38
Davide	I'm not sure how to get it to work	23:39
RST38h	usually operating in 100MHz..180MHz range, with power consumption increasing exponentially with clock	23:39
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Davide	qwerty12_N800	23:39
RST38h	Now, if OMAP3 has 512kB+ of cache, that would be something ;)))	23:39
qwerty12_N800	Davide: only python. besides, perl isn't really supported well in maemo anyway	23:40
luke-jr	Mapper uses 95% RAM :/	23:40
timeless	andre__: can you ask jeremiah if he needs to bugs.maemo.org accounts	23:40
timeless	if he doesn't, can you borrow justdave@mozilla-com's user merging script	23:40
timeless	and use it	23:40
timeless	because it sucks that i can't easily cc jeremiah	23:40
Davide	qwerty12_N800 I'm trying to find a way basically that xchat will trigger a sound when a specific keyword is entered	23:42
Davide	or that it would highlight a specific keyword only	23:43
Davide	idk	23:43
Davide	so I can make it play the sound	23:43
andre__	timeless, hmm... there's only one entry by jeremiah's non-maemo address, and it's CC'ed by both his addresses. so i think i'm lazy as there's no problem i see	23:44
timeless	err	23:45
timeless	the problem is that if you enter 'jeremiah' into the cc list	23:45
timeless	you get a chooser	23:45
timeless	and have to pick one or the other	23:45
qwerty12_N800	Davide: i don't know unfortunately, all I do know is that xchat & perl aren't supported on the tablets and I've never studied the python xchat api	23:45
andre__	timeless, empty your browser cache?	23:46
GeneralAntilles	timeless, should we get another Jeremiah to register and solve it for good? ;)	23:46
timeless	if he only had one account, then entering 'jeremiah' will just cc <him>	23:46
timeless	gan: yeah well...	23:46
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Davide	qwerty12_N800 ok thank you for your help!	23:46
RST38h	~curse nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction	23:47
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nameless Japanese programmer who misused BLL instruction !	23:47
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timeless	andre__: i could be mean and disable one of the accounts, it'd generally solve my problem :)	23:48
timeless	it's just that, for someone likely to be cc'd often...	23:48
timeless	it's helpful not to have to guess which of two addresses to pick	23:48
andre__	you could simply empty your browser cache	23:48
timeless	that doesn't make sense	23:48
timeless	because the picker comes from the server side	23:49
andre__	the CC field does not offer anything here when entering "jeremiah"	23:49
andre__	no, it's not server side	23:49
andre__	are we speaking about maemo.org bugzilla?! :-P	23:49
timeless	sure it does	23:49
timeless	yes	23:49
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timeless	what other bugs.maemo.org's are there? :)	23:49
GeneralAntilles	lol	23:50
andre__	errr... 1. go to a bug report, 2. go to "Add CC" field, 3. enter "jeremiah", 4. see that nothing happens	23:50
timeless	hit enter	23:50
andre__	can someone confirm this please? :-D	23:50
andre__	ah	23:51
andre__	nice	23:51
timeless	...	23:51
andre__	never used	23:51
timeless	welcome to the 90s	23:51
GeneralAntilles	lol	23:51
andre__	i'm used to on-the-fly autocompletion	23:51
timeless	(actually, it isn't quite that old, but still)	23:51
andre__	this is really 90es	23:51
timeless	this works even if js is disabled	23:51
timeless	on the fly is often a disaster	23:52
timeless	especially for tablet devices :)	23:52
andre__	workaround: enter name + @maemo.org :-P	23:52
timeless	anyway, please find out if jeremiah is ok w/ losing one of those accounts, and if so, borrow justdave's merging script and use it :)	23:52
andre__	yes, i'm lazy...	23:52
timeless	actually, jeremiah@m would work	23:53
timeless	but only if i know that's the one he wants	23:53
timeless	and i don't know that	23:53
timeless	because he liss moth	23:53
timeless	lists both	23:53
* timeless sighs		23:53
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* timeless pokes sp3000		23:54
* timeless frowns		23:56
timeless	i think i'm missing a tv programming slot	23:56
timeless	one of the finnish channels is showing Kyle XY a bunch of days a week	23:56
timeless	but i seem to be missing an episode	23:56
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timeless	which means i'll have to find it somehow	23:56
kkrusty	is there an official port for truecrypt to maemo?	23:57
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kkrusty	There is one mentioned in the forums but Im curious about whether its safe	23:57
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