| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: Pocket Loox instructions up btw | 00:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | woot! | 00:06 |
| b-man | people asking me lots of questions; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975&page=6 - i'm going crazy - too many things happening today - way too busy! 0_0 | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: distro work isn't easy :P | 00:07 |
| * b-man gets a mental overload | 00:07 | |
| b-man | Stskeeps: verry true :) | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: people who trip the incompatible bootmenu warning and then tries to disable it.. that is really bad | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | if it trips, there's a bloody good reason | 00:08 |
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| * lcuk passes b-man AND Stskeeps a bacon butty. i do not envy the task either of you has undertaken | 00:09 | |
| b-man | hehe | 00:09 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: it's triping even with deblet bootmenu - but i have it installed and i'm having no problems with it | 00:10 |
| * lcuk does some code | 00:10 | |
| fireun | use data protection | 00:11 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: it is probably people who forgot to add ITEM_LINUXRC | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: if they have tripped it once, the install is ruined :P | 00:11 |
| b-man | hmm :((( | 00:12 |
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| Stskeeps | and we witness b-man losing his sanity | 00:15 |
| lcuk | in irc, noone can hear you scream | 00:15 |
| * lcuk heard wilhelm tho | 00:15 | |
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| b-man | hohoho hehehe hahaha :o ;p 0.o 0_o O-0 | 00:15 |
| lcuk | nope, false alarm, hes back to normal | 00:16 |
| timelE61i | witch dr? | 00:16 |
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| Proteous | lol | 00:17 |
| Proteous | someone needs to run s/witch/which/ on b-mans post | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | Proteous: i've added an automatic sed script to my irc client and i've never been happier :) | 00:18 |
| Proteous | lol | 00:18 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: we can only hope we can develop mer in a direction where it is trivial to convert it into a ubuntu if one such wanted >P | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: but anyway, there was a reason why i didn't start a ublet back then - it wasn't sustainable in the long run in terms of power usage and maintainability.. same lesson learnt with deblet | 00:21 |
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| Stskeeps | (we had ubuntu running already back in summer) | 00:22 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:24 |
| lardman | any other councilors about? | 00:24 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: true :p | 00:24 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ping | 00:25 |
| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: figure out a way to make a /etc/apt/preferences that drags in the packages you want from mer and downprioritize the mer ones otherwise | 00:25 |
| fireun | ubuntu only on the n8xx? | 00:25 |
| lardman | bbiab | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | fireun: it is fairly simple to get it going on 770 too, mer is on 770 as well | 00:25 |
| * fireun hates being stuck at one final release on the 770 | 00:25 | |
| Stskeeps | fireun: and i'll be getting a 770 donated so we can (finally) add proper support to the 770s | 00:26 |
| fireun | Stskeeps: ok, good to know, I'll give it a try one of these weekends | 00:26 |
| fireun | eggscellent | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: and then we can build the ubuntu images along with mer images i guess | 00:26 |
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| tonyyarusso | eh? You can run Ubuntu on an n8xx? How? | 00:28 |
| b-man | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|away? | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | tonyyarusso: Mer is based on ubuntu (taken from a minbase though), too | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | but b-man's ubuntu is indirectly based on mer work :) | 00:30 |
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| b-man | and a little bit of deblet too ;) | 00:31 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|afk: ping | 00:33 |
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| lardman|away | GeneralAntilles: the wiki pages about the referenda make no sense to me | 00:37 |
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| lardman | what's all the "item #3" stuff mean? | 00:37 |
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| lardman | and why the change in numbering scheme on this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_voting_rights | 00:37 |
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| lardman | I've not been involved as I don't have any strong views, but this is confusing | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Can you change them so they *do* make sense? | 00:38 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Item #3 is referrring to the document linked above | 00:38 |
| lardman | no, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean! | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_process | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | lardman: once I explain it ;-) | 00:38 |
| wazd | ok, self-demotivation didn't worked, current Mer UI mockup is nice :) | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | lardman: and the change in numbering scheme is cos dneary was copying & pasting and fubared? | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: as in the one you published? | 00:39 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yep. It just needs a few tweaks for supernarrow screens | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 00:40 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I really tried to come up with something better but I can't for now) | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | When do we get to vote? | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: AIUI, the vote links are sent separately; so I assumed they'd come at some point after the emails... but dneary's blog post says "open now" | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Something to poke him about tomorrow. | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Ah no. | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Bollocks. | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | There's a link in his post to http://maemo.org/vote/ which contains them | 00:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: maybe the challenge is then to see what would make sense on a phone device | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | But that wasn't in the emails. Oh well, one follow up email tomorrow should do it. | 00:43 |
| * Jaffa beds | 00:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We're bouncing between numeric and alpha lists. . . . | 00:44 |
| * b-man leaves - see ya later | 00:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki pages doesn't correspond to the referenda titles. | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 00:45 |
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| tonyyarusso | Is it possible to make apps install to the removable memory? I'm running into space constraints with the system memory. | 00:46 |
| rm_you | tonyyarusso: look into Boot From SD | 00:46 |
| rm_you | you'll need to actually run the OS from a partition on an SD card | 00:46 |
| tonyyarusso | rm_you: So I have to make the whole thing on it eh? Okay. | 00:46 |
| rm_you | Yep. better idea anyway | 00:47 |
| tonyyarusso | rm_you: Am I going to have to totally re-install everything to do that? | 00:47 |
| rm_you | no | 00:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Better idea why? | 00:47 |
| rm_you | Clone From SD | 00:47 |
| rm_you | search on the forums | 00:47 |
| rm_you | it takes your current image | 00:47 |
| rm_you | err, because if you break something (like your kernel, lol) you can boot into the flash install, chroot in, and fix it | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~bootsd | 00:48 |
| rm_you | all on the device | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 00:48 |
| tonyyarusso | That's an excellent point. | 00:48 |
| infobot | rumour has it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 00:48 |
| rm_you | has happened to me several times | 00:48 |
| tonyyarusso | Is there any performance difference between the external SD and internal memory? | 00:48 |
| rm_you | not really IMO | 00:48 |
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| lardman | re | 00:51 |
| lardman | sorry had to pop out | 00:51 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: Ok, I now see the link to the number in the countil page | 00:51 |
| lardman | Jaffa: and yes, I know the numbering thing was a fubar, I was just surprised the email went out with it like that | 00:52 |
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| guysoft42 | is there a way to get gpe on the maemo to sync to a syncML server? | 00:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: btw, how apps behave with such narrow screen? | 00:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: mm, depends | 00:57 |
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| Stskeeps | my focus isnt always the apps but libhildon apps | 00:57 |
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| * lardman got out of the wrong side of bed this morning, and apologises to everyone for his tone | 01:00 | |
| lcuk | dont apologise lardman, i was *just* writing a what the fucking hell is this referendum about message here.. | 01:00 |
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| lardman | yeah, well I do feel bad as I've not done anything council related for this - I have an opinion, but am not too bothered to argue it so have stayed out of the emails and organisation | 01:02 |
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| lardman | how are you anyway lcuk? | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | im feeling a bit better now, had flu all last week, snuffled way through a romantic meal on saturday night | 01:02 |
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| lardman | oh, we had hangovers from the night before - too many caperinhas (spelling?) | 01:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms at "Maemo Council" | 01:03 | |
| lcuk | lol it was nice though, good to have time to ourselves :) | 01:03 |
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| lardman | kids away? | 01:04 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: who's the miscreant? | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | my mum had em for a few hours :) | 01:04 |
| lardman | cool :) | 01:04 |
| lcuk | now lukes gone to scotland skiing | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we can lay the blame squarely on dneary's shoulders for all of this. :P | 01:04 |
| lardman | :D | 01:04 |
| lardman | I'm sure he'll be pleased.... | 01:04 |
| lardman | well I do partly blame myself for not being involved enough and not checking things out | 01:05 |
| lardman | but that's life | 01:05 |
| lcuk | and caperinhas | 01:05 |
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| lardman | :) | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you saw the video, this puts it in a bit more perspective: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090214_130409.lib.scr.png | 01:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lo ian | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | this voting thing, since ive used my mail address as a key, can't i have the token mailed back to me (with applicable 1/3 subject ;)) | 01:08 |
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| lardman | lcuk: your liqbase stuff is in this ui design, looks good if it could be integrated: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26877 | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps/lcuk/anybody who doesn't know, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Counting_methods what do the items #'s refer to? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | yeah lardman I saw that, but thats just icons | 01:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264867&postcount=13 | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i looked at it and decided the alcohol level in my system did not permit me to focus on that :P | 01:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: first link in there | 01:11 |
| lcuk | i just saw that and stepped back | 01:12 |
| lcuk | just a mo, lemme finish voting | 01:12 |
| lcuk | ive got something to show you | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is: "The changes mentioned below will be made to the items in the Council election process." better? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | reading these voting options feels like reading stuart code | 01:13 |
| lcuk | the last vote, the one where i choose about which voting method | 01:13 |
| lcuk | it just says "changes to #4 and #5 or whatever" | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | without ever listing the other options :'( whats the options for gcc to compile this up into a completed form | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | difference between "one vote" and "a single ballot" | 01:15 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Voting_rights_Q1_2009#Proposed_options #2 should be explained better | 01:15 |
| Macer | sigh.. i love my g1.. tmob's 3G network works great | 01:16 |
| lardman | it means that a change will be added for the first 2 elections, or at least that's my read of it | 01:16 |
| Macer | att with my 95 doesn't have shit on it | 01:16 |
| lcuk | im ok with that, it was an easy choice | 01:16 |
| lcuk | the selection clearly stated my intention | 01:16 |
| lcuk | right | 01:18 |
| lcuk | lardman, http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png | 01:18 |
| lcuk | this blew my mind last night | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004336.lib.scr.png | 01:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: cool :) | 01:20 |
| StsN800 | liqporn? | 01:20 |
| b0unc3_ | lcuk: looks nice... | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | this pic http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004336.lib.scr.png has a liqtop widget. it views the current mirror universe and is zoomable | 01:20 |
| lcuk | (same as i just posted) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i have created a fractal desktop :) | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | (and found/adjusted a pic to match) | 01:21 |
| Macer | esxi box is working pretty good now | 01:21 |
| Macer | still thin | 01:21 |
| Macer | k my zimbra vm is a little on the slow side.. might need to tweak some more resources to it | 01:21 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Drunk StsN800, wanna look again and see if it makes a little more sense? :P | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_voting_rights | 01:29 |
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| Macer | hm. is rdp encrypted? | 01:42 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:48 |
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| wazd | lcuk: why the time on the thumbnail is 1 second forward?) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | link? | 01:52 |
| wazd | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_004545.lib.scr.png | 01:52 |
| lcuk | it will have ticked over before it drew the inner frame | 01:52 |
| lcuk | it shows live stuff | 01:52 |
| lcuk | and that desktop in a desktop brings the machine to its knees! | 01:52 |
| lcuk | it gets about 5fps | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | i disabled it soon after | 01:53 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | i kinda got text editing working as well :) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | i can select text and type over it (sometimes, its got bugs) | 01:55 |
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| tonyyarusso | FYI, OS2008 does not handle a full root partition gracefully. | 03:29 |
| andyrocks | anyone know if amule works in maemo? | 03:30 |
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| Andrewfblack | how do I install something and make it install the version I want if there are several in repos | 04:06 |
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| tonyyarusso | Andrewfblack: Generally with apt this is accomplished through something called "pinning" (easily googleable). Whether the concept is seamlessly applicable to maemo or not I'm not sure, but I'd imagine it would be. | 04:44 |
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| skibur | anybody have debian install | 05:37 |
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| tonyyarusso | Grrr. I have to re-flash my device after all. I can't get it to boot. :( | 05:52 |
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| tonyyarusso | Um, the flashing instructions mention "turned on while holding down the Home button". What's the Home button? | 06:02 |
| johnx | on the n810 it's the swap button with the two boxes | 06:03 |
| johnx | left of the screen | 06:03 |
| tonyyarusso | gotcha, ty | 06:04 |
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| slonopotamus | hi | 06:52 |
| * slonopotamus did something cool | 06:52 | |
| slonopotamus | i build wifi driver and it seems to be working | 06:53 |
| slonopotamus | s/build/built/ | 06:53 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: i built wifi driver and it seems to be working | 06:53 |
| slonopotamus | cx3110x: chip variant STLC4550 | 06:53 |
| slonopotamus | this blows my mind. what is 'cx3110x' if chip is named 'stlc4550'? | 06:54 |
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| tonyyarusso | I'm trying to format the internal card device as outlined on https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card, but I keep getting "umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy" | 07:24 |
| tank-man | turn off any programs accessing files on the card | 07:28 |
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| dmsuperman | penguinbait still come around here? | 07:28 |
| tonyyarusso | found it - had a swap partition there that was active. | 07:34 |
| tonyyarusso | arrrg, need to know vi | 07:37 |
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| tonyyarusso | um, after flashing, how do I get the maps files back? | 08:19 |
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| tonyyarusso | How do I make the little "abc" line go away (the one that shows the current shift/Fn status)? | 08:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | controlpanel > inputmethods > languages > settings and uncheck all boxes | 08:48 |
| tonyyarusso | ah, ty | 08:50 |
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| tonyyarusso | Is it possible to customize the applications menu, ie to add folders other than "Internet, Communications, etc."? | 08:54 |
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| ibuffy | yacks, maemo competes w/ android o.O | 08:58 |
| ibuffy | guess android can't have all the users | 08:58 |
| StsN800 | hm? | 09:02 |
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| Meiz_n810 | tonyyarusso: controlpanel > panels > customuze pp menu | 09:08 |
| tonyyarusso | ah | 09:08 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 09:08 | |
| Corsac | yawning time o/ | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | nothing like waking with a bad pain in the back too | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ibuffy: so, what makes you say it competes? | 09:11 |
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| ibuffy | Stskeeps: they are both mobile OSs | 09:18 |
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| ibuffy | how long will it be before maemo is completely using qt | 09:20 |
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| ibuffy | hopefully soon | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, not next OS release | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | and why make it completely qt when they can live together? the good thing about maemo is that you are not locked in to a specific toolkit | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | so why convert something to qt that is not broke? :P | 09:21 |
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| ibuffy | hmm, point taken | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | so if you're a freak and want motif on your tablet, you can :) | 09:23 |
| jaska | mmm... motif | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | compared to let's say android, which is yet-another-ui-framework | 09:24 |
| jaska | and ties you to java and their vm? | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | that too | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly they might do something right with api but doesn't help the fact i can't take my android phone in 2 years and use it for some other purpose | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | which i can with a tablet | 09:26 |
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| Corsac | mpf, sometimes mer doesn't see my wifi network | 09:27 |
| Corsac | not sure why | 09:27 |
| Corsac | (and I can't reset the connection, I guess) | 09:27 |
| Corsac | as I can't right clic on the nm icon | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: yeah, it is because cx3110x doesn't like constant scanning :/ | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | i have to patch NetworkManager for it | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | it would be better if there was tap and hold on that icon, heh | 09:29 |
| Corsac | we really need a newer kernel (but someone on #emdebian said that powermanagement wasn't really available on more recent kernels :/ ) | 09:29 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: tap & hold requires something special? | 09:29 |
| Corsac | (patched gtk or stuff like that?) | 09:29 |
| Corsac | or just some tuning in evdev? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | mm, gtk level, we have patched gtk | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | nm-applet is just "a normal gtk app" so | 09:30 |
| Corsac | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495487 | 09:30 |
| Corsac | some people are interested too ;p | 09:30 |
| ibuffy | Stskeeps: what do you mean "yet-another-ui-framework"? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | ibuffy: it is what it is, it is just another ui framework deep down, incompatible with the rest | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | swt, swing, awt, windows forms, whatever symbian uses, gtk, qt, etc.. | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | and android doesn't allow space for other players on the platform | 09:32 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: can I disable the virtual keyboard on mer? and can I activate the “Fn” key for the hw keyboard o n810? KOr is that not yet supported and I should code it if I want it? :) | 09:32 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi. i still don't understand what is 'cx3110x'. insmod cx3110x.ko, dmesg: cx3110x: chip variant STLC4550. | 09:32 |
| Corsac | slonopotamus: the wlan chip | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | Corsac, then what's 'stlc4550'? | 09:33 |
| Corsac | the chip variant? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cx3110x is a connex or something | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout something, something is described in Known issues | 09:34 |
| slonopotamus | Corsac, how that differs? | 09:34 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, connex - ? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: higher level product, lower level variant? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | so high level product is the CX3110X chip, and the variant of it is the STLC4550 :P | 09:34 |
| slonopotamus | crap. | 09:35 |
| Corsac | slonopotamus: will check | 09:35 |
| slonopotamus | then we don't have 'cx3110x' chip. | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | it makes more sense in the modern driver. | 09:35 |
| Corsac | damn | 09:35 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: will check | 09:35 |
| slonopotamus | we have 'stlc4550' chip. | 09:35 |
| tonyyarusso | Is it possible to install additional languages / locales? | 09:35 |
| tonyyarusso | (specifically, English/Canada) | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | to what? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: and yes, you can disable it too | 09:35 |
| tonyyarusso | For the system overall, that is. | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo? there should be support | 09:36 |
| slonopotamus | this drives me crazy | 09:36 |
| slonopotamus | at least i built a driver and it even happily insmoded. | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cx3110x driver supports two different chip types | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | and the driver works for stlc4550 and one other | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | it also worked for the 770 on their kernel | 09:36 |
| * slonopotamus thinks if he should publish stage with xorg or not | 09:37 | |
| slonopotamus | oh. you'd say "whether i should publish", right? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | both works i guess | 09:38 |
| Corsac | ok lets reboot | 09:39 |
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| ibuffy | thanks Stskeeps | 09:41 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: do you think using the tslib patch for tap&hold would make sense? | 09:41 |
| Corsac | or will this definitely require a patch for gtk? | 09:42 |
| slonopotamus | i want to use tslib patch. | 09:42 |
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| Corsac | I should setup a scratchbox somewhere and rebuild that to test it | 09:42 |
| slonopotamus | Corsac, you're talking about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495487 right? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: i don't entirely agree with the level | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | and i am afraid it might break some things horribly in libhildon :P | 09:43 |
| Corsac | slonopotamus: yes | 09:43 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: oh? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | as it moves tap and hold detection to a different level | 09:43 |
| Corsac | hhm | 09:43 |
| Corsac | in maemo the tap&hold is at gtk level? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:44 |
| Corsac | and the used patch is not usable in Mer? | 09:44 |
| Corsac | too recent gtk? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | it is probably usable but we run our own branch of tslib xorg driver | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | also, let us say you are drawing in xournal.. you are going to cause tap and hold way too much | 09:45 |
| Corsac | if you dont move the stylus, yes | 09:46 |
| Corsac | but aiui the “right clic” event is only emitted if you hold the stylus for .5s at least, in the same area | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | also, having an animation appear for tap and hold in progress is useful :P | 09:48 |
| Corsac | yeah | 09:48 |
| Corsac | but having tap&hold without animation is better than no tap&hold at all, I guess | 09:49 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, animation is only required if timeout is too long :) | 09:49 |
| Corsac | but yeah it's two different roads | 09:49 |
| Corsac | slonopotamus: you have to have a quite long timeout | 09:49 |
| Corsac | if you don't want the right clic to be activated | 09:49 |
| Corsac | +too much | 09:49 |
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| slonopotamus | Corsac, yes, but that doesn't make my statement false :) | 09:51 |
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| Corsac | that just means animation is required :) | 09:54 |
| slonopotamus | i wonder who'll patch qt, wxwidgets, etc. | 09:56 |
| Corsac | that's why it shouldn't be implemented in qt, gtk or whatever | 09:56 |
| Corsac | but at a single point | 09:56 |
| Corsac | hmhm is the notification area a real system tray? | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:03 |
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| violetdream | Ok, I may be asking some stupid questions here, so please forgive me. | 10:05 |
| violetdream | There is an application I was trying to compile which is GNOME based and needs some GTK libraries. | 10:05 |
| violetdream | Is this possible in Maemo? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, we have GTK, which libraries in question? | 10:05 |
| violetdream | Let me double check again. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | be aware that some of the libraries might be horribly outdated in diablo, but it shouldn't be that bad.. | 10:06 |
| violetdream | Shoot, it needs libgnomeui it looks like - no good? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:07 |
| violetdream | gtk+-2.0 >= 2.8.0 libgnomeui-2.0 gtksourceview-2.0 gtkspell-2.0 | 10:07 |
| violetdream | and libgtkhtml | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that might be difficult :/ what do you need it for, if i may ask? | 10:09 |
| violetdream | I was interested in porting the Inform 7 platform | 10:09 |
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| violetdream | There's a command line based one, but for some reason tehre's no source, which is weird. | 10:09 |
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| violetdream | http://www.inform-fiction.org/I7/Download.html | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:10 |
| violetdream | I tried the armv one because the name sounded the same, hehe, but it didn't work. | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- it is difficult to get libgnomeui.. one of the reasons we work on Mer, is to make stuff like this a little easier :P | 10:10 |
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| violetdream | I'm not that familiar with that, but I've heard of it. I'd rather not replace the OS, is that what it does? | 10:12 |
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| StsN801 | more like dual-boot | 10:17 |
| hahlo | StsN801: is there x86 installer of mer? | 10:18 |
| StsN801 | since nokia isn't developing Maemo5 for n8x0 we are taking a different approach which may make porting easier | 10:19 |
| StsN801 | hahlo, for hw? there's a guide | 10:19 |
| hahlo | StsN801: ok, does it run on eeepc? | 10:20 |
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| violetdream | Hmm, ok, that sounds like a cool project. This is very odd that the site doesn't have the source of the command line Inform 7 thing :/ | 10:20 |
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| StsN801 | hahlo, it runs on a crap via c3 laptop so i am sure it probably could | 10:21 |
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| hahlo | ok should try that | 10:22 |
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| StsN801 | lo _BuBU | 10:28 |
| _BuBU | hello | 10:28 |
| StsN801 | _BuBU, loox port now released btw | 10:28 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:31 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles/lardman; do we know if dneary's going to send out another mail? | 10:35 |
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| rjelari | hi all | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: was there a fourth email sent out containing the link to maemo.org/vote/? Lots of people dunno how to vote - it's clear in the blog posts, but that's not necessarily the best route | 10:57 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I've asked Dave to add the link to the wiki articles too. | 11:03 |
| X-Fade | So there is at least a pointer there.. | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. There are. | 11:04 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I see Dave sent me a 4th message to send out ;) | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | Anyone else experience problems with the latest FF3 update? | 11:19 |
| RST38h | As in "hangups, using 100% CPU" | 11:19 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm unified chargers for all phones regardless of brands. | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Nice.. | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | USB? | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that was what i was thinking | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | but knowing EU they will probably come up with some silly system. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:02 |
| RST38h | MiniUSB, MicroUSB? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | charge-by-RS232! | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Sts: charge-by-SCART! | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | or that, yes | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly, i do like scart. compared to the wire hell | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | USB, EU was starting to look into regulating it.. | 12:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You guys are your ridiculous over regulation. . . . | 12:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and you wonder why everything costs more for you. :P | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: on the other hand, there are good things :P | 12:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Like really ridiculously expensive electronics discouraging impulse buys? :P | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Not ridiculously expensive really | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Unless you are talking about öê | 12:08 |
| RST38h | UK | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it isn't that bad really. close to zero electronics import tax from the US and 25% VAT here | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: US has no federal VAT and state taxes are in 5-6% range | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, but vat is a standard price of living in .dk so | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | and the prices are still cheaper than buying tablet retail for instance | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | Sts: general does not live in .dk, he just wonders about your electronics prices :) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Sts: Any time he does that, ask him how much it costs to mend a broken knee | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: think that discussion already happened :> | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yea, I remember | 12:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia went an interesting direction with the N86's buttons. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | the [QW] buttons? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no, that was the E something | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The keypad is totally different from anything I've seen them put out in the last 5 years. | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | E55 | 12:14 |
| RST38h | it is vaguely familiar though | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Ah, found why it is familiar: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10319047.jpg | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | since when is 800mhz underpowered for MIDs? :P | 12:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, StarTAC | 12:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, since 2-hour battery life became the "norm"? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh boy. | 12:16 |
| wiza | I'm just waiting for a proper android phone | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh snap | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP4 | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for the merphone. | 12:17 |
| wiza | before that comes out, I'll be using e90 | 12:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new ISP supports up to 20MP | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps they should hook it up to a Hasselblad | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, they're up to 50M by now ;) | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, on one of the "low-end" models. :P | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/ti_omap44x_blk_diag.png | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Nice ;) | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | HDMI on your tablet ;) | 12:20 |
| RST38h | Sts: Will a mermaid do? | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | Or a WUXGA touch screen? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: mermaid? | 12:21 |
| RST38h | it is strange that BlueLink and WiLink do not share I2C interface with NaviLink | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: instead of a merphone that is | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html | 12:21 |
| RST38h | and the touch controller uses SPI | 12:22 |
| RST38h | No, not getting it. Why not have a unified bus? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if i can flash it with whatever.. :P | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we'll see this on the next tablet. | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: umgh. | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual-core. . . . | 12:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles goosebumps. | 12:22 | |
| RST38h | 4 cores! | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Looks like initial OMAP4 is a dual core chip but the next ones will go to 4 cores. If anyone needs them of course | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | Realistically, you will see this in devices in 2011. | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, there may be a slightly shorter time to market since it's slightly less of an upgrade compared to OMAP2/OMAP3 | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 only took about a year for the first device to ship. | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, if you look at OMAP3. It was announced a long time ago.. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Archos 5 last Summer. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2007 | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | They say volumes in 2nd half 2010. | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2006, actually. | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody recall what the Post-Harmattan codename is? | 12:27 |
| hahlo | i red newspaper that internet tablets are in use for small group | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was picked on Jaiku. . . . | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | Il something wasn't it_ | 12:27 |
| aquatix | heh, ``[...]along with C64x DSPs'' why do i read that as Commodore64 | 12:28 |
| aquatix | (that linuxdevices.com link) | 12:28 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Inverna ? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/52078129 | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/52078129#c-2053040 | 12:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bitch. . . . :P | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | Me fastah! | 12:28 |
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| wiza | e90 has nice qwerty keyboard, why did nokia dropped numeral keys from the newest models | 12:29 |
| wiza | n810 keyboard is a big step back from e90 | 12:29 |
| wiza | I guess my next phone will be HTC, if they make proper android phone :) | 12:30 |
| wiza | or nokia makes a linux phone, with proper keyboard, must have in Helsinki traffic :) | 12:31 |
| RST38h | lack of space | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | Mer on N97? :) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: give me bootloader info and i would be up for it.. | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is the status of Linux on N-series phones? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | signed firmware (afaik) | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Non-existent? | 12:32 |
| RST38h | General: 0 | 12:32 |
| RST38h | or NIL whatever you prefer | 12:32 |
| * RST38h frankly believes E90 keyboard is a step back from E70 | 12:33 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: yeah, they are protected somehow.. | 12:33 |
| wiza | http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html <- that with linux would be close to perfect | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | wiza: admittedly they have gotten the keyboard right | 12:34 |
| wiza | Stskeeps: yes, that is also right in e90, problem is that slideout is a lot better than clamshell on e90 | 12:35 |
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| wiza | and it seems that nokia has some problems with it's website... :) | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can the referenda names be fixed without breaking everything? | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, Dave will send me updated names. | 12:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and can somebody bounce in and fix this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4125 | 12:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles notices the notice for people to stop updating the itT wiki was noticed. | 12:46 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: refresh ;) | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | hmm ever more gnome.. | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Ok, dneary's email instead. | 12:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Every day I delay blogging seems like I have to add yet another thing to the list. . . . | 12:57 |
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| roope | hopefully the Touch Pro 2 is faster than the first one. | 12:59 |
| roope | The first one was really painful to use. It took a second for it to react to a gesture. | 12:59 |
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| * GeneralAntilles drops GSoC 09 to the March edition. | 13:00 | |
| wazd | hello everybody) | 13:01 |
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| tonyyarusso | After I've set up boot from SD, how do I change what the default is? It's still trying to boot from the system memory unless I choose otherwise at the menu. | 13:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Read the bootmenu readme, it tells you how. | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | tonyyarusso, the steps are listed at the bottom of the wiki page, aren't teyh? | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/teyh/they/ | 13:08 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: tonyyarusso, the steps are listed at the bottom of the wiki page, aren't they? | 13:08 |
| tonyyarusso | GeneralAntilles: well, I got shunted around a bunch of wiki pages, so I'm not sure anymore. | 13:08 |
| tonyyarusso | I'll look... | 13:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 13:09 |
| infobot | methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 13:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Set_the_default_boot_device | 13:09 |
| lopz | hola | 13:10 |
| tonyyarusso | that looks like it'll work - trying | 13:10 |
| * Jucato coincidentally just blogged about dual booting the other day... | 13:10 | |
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| tonyyarusso | okay, that worked. | 13:17 |
| tonyyarusso | Is there a config file to edit for these things, or do you have to use things like cal-tool? | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qgil1 :) | 13:21 |
| wazd | hola qgil1 :) | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | hi qgil1 | 13:22 |
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| qgil1 | hi there | 13:27 |
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| qgil1 | HELLO FROM BARCELONA!!! | 13:28 |
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| qgil1 | no, just joking :) | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 13:29 |
| wazd | qgil1: Do you know, is there any live stream from curren Keynote bout open mobile platform? | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | had a minor heart attack of expectations there ;) | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 13:30 |
| wazd | qgil1: http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm <- they took away the banner | 13:30 |
| jeremiah | Okay, are you in Spain or not qgil1? | 13:30 |
| qgil1 | I'm in Helsinki, as usual | 13:30 |
| qgil1 | wazd: no idea, sorry | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | Thats kinda like Spain. Only a little colder. :) | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Up, here come the icons. | 13:31 |
| qgil1 | actually it's quite sunny today | 13:31 |
| qgil1 | if I'd forget about the -10C this morning... | 13:31 |
| wiza | qgil1: yes, so it blinds you while your freezing | 13:31 |
| wiza | and yes, I'm in Helsinki too :D | 13:32 |
| qgil1 | wiza: I was about to say 'you know what I'm talking about' | 13:32 |
| wiza | :) | 13:32 |
| wiza | car warms up just about when I get to work... | 13:33 |
| lardman | morning all | 13:33 |
| wiza | afternoon | 13:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, OMAP4 announced. | 13:34 |
| lardman | ah, interesting, linky? | 13:34 |
| jeremiah | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html?kc=rss | 13:34 |
| lardman | thanks | 13:34 |
| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/n86-official-01.jpg <- such a fake screenshot | 13:34 |
| lardman | jeremiah: how are you settling in? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: now if it was actually true that would be kinda neat :P | 13:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: phone can't give you that DOF :) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | DOF? | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, wouldn't it be great if they used real screenshots for all PR photos? | 13:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: depth of field | 13:36 |
| jeremiah | lardman: Well thank you, | 13:36 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep :) | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: ah- | 13:36 |
| tekojo | wazd: basically could, hard to say without a wider picture | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Man, that display looks like shit." | 13:36 |
| jeremiah | lardman: There is lots to read and grok. | 13:36 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: something omap3 would be fine for the time being, hint hint qgil1 ;) | 13:36 |
| lardman | jeremiah: cool, glad all is well :) | 13:36 |
| jeremiah | New tools, new processes, but it is all very interesting. | 13:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now he just needs an actual device. ;) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah doesn't own a tablet? :o | 13:38 |
| wazd | Subalashii asaga akelu | 13:38 |
| wazd | aw, johnx is asleep now) | 13:38 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I have an old one, but I loaned it out last summer. :} | 13:38 |
| jeremiah | heh | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: mer 0.8 published last night btw, if you wanted to try out the vmdk | 13:38 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I would like to try that out. | 13:39 |
| jeremiah | I have been fooling around in the sdk recently, looking at the details of packages. | 13:39 |
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| jeremiah | I also have a bit of a backlog already, have to help with packaging some things, I think timeless is eager for me to get back to him for example. | 13:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, wanna give me a quick rundown of major improvements and things you want me to link to? | 13:40 |
| jeremiah | I'm going to post a blog post on the best way to get my eyeballs to look at things, sometimes it is hard to be in this channel all the time. | 13:41 |
| jeremiah | although irssi and screen rock! | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: just learn the "Y: X, ping" (.. later, "X: Y, pong" method and it is easier to catch up with people | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: is your blog syndicated to planet.m.o? | 13:42 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Yep! :) | 13:42 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Whaddya mean exactly? (What are the values of X and Y?) | 13:42 |
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| lardman | I wonder if people could sumbit requests to you, and have them lined up and visible somewhere? | 13:42 |
| jeremiah | lardman: That is what I was thinking too . . . | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Dedicate a bugzilla to jeremiah ;P | 13:43 |
| jeremiah | Then I could post links to build results and finished packages . . . | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: as in we don't really expect people to be constantly available here, so we just lay a "nickname, ping?" and then when the person is back, they answer pong :P | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm in favor of having them in the form of large rocks, with a webcam feed so we can watch them build up around jeremiah. ;) | 13:43 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Aha, clever. I will try to adopt that. Must double check that I am logging irssi | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: beagleboard port, better support for nokia rx-44 keyboard, you can actually install applications now, .. just generally more sanity (it's a boring release), http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=265081#post265081 really says most of it | 13:43 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Ooooh, sounds comfy! | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: using /away and then /away again when back will show highlights of your nickname too, so | 13:44 |
| jeremiah | How do people feel about a trac instance? That is quite useful | 13:44 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I am lazy and have not been doing that but I will try to be more conscientious | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: For what? | 13:45 |
| tonyyarusso | How can I edit the boot timeout? (I tried editing /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf, but it's read-only) | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the interesting part is that we add diablo extras directly to the mer installation | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | and the call for developers to check their apps | 13:45 |
| qwerty12 | tonyyarusso, mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs | 13:45 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Well, people could submit packages to be reviewed/built/etc to a trac list, or should that go into bugzilla? | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Bug reporting is supposed to be done in bugzilla. The problem is, where to file a bug against a random package? | 13:46 |
| tonyyarusso | qwerty12: excellent | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Yeah. I am not sure what a good way to do this is. What do you think? | 13:47 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: What do you do now if someone wants packaging help? Do you reply via email? | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | Watched wiki page? | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | Watched wiki could be good . . . | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | You could take requests via email, but update your queue on the wiki | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | If gforge weren't so nasty, maybe a Garage project | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | I will start there anyway | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: I agree, Gforge makes me cry. | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | I have been toying with the idea of making a build log page where one can file bugs too. So you can see the status of each package and easily file bugs. | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | X-Fade: Hmm, that sounds interesting. | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | A bit of a cross between the debian packages page, gnome build bot pages etc.. | 13:49 |
| jeremiah | I should look at the GNOME build bots, I have never looked at them. | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: http://build.gnome.org/ | 13:49 |
| jeremiah | Thanks X-Fade, helpful as always. :) | 13:50 |
| jeremiah | Woah, 50% of the charges against the Pirate Bay are dropped. | 13:50 |
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| jeremiah | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html?kc=rss | 13:50 |
| * qwerty12 cheers | 13:50 | |
| jeremiah | http://torrentfreak.com/50-of-charges-against-pirate-bay-dropped-090217/ | 13:50 |
| jeremiah | Distributed Hash Tables FTW! | 13:51 |
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| qwerty12 | Hah, hell yeah. | 13:52 |
| * Stskeeps thinks thepiratebay.org technologically wise is deepily flawed, but that's just me. | 13:52 | |
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| RST38h | Nokia to preinstall Skype on N97 | 14:03 |
| RST38h | What? Skype developers finally learned how to program for Symbian? | 14:03 |
| lardman | X-Fade: where have you been anyway? | 14:03 |
| lardman | X-Fade: holiday? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: think it has been on symbian before? | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Sts: It has not | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Sts: That was pissing a lot of people | 14:05 |
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| RST38h | WashPost is having another fit of good journalism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/16/AR2009021601391.html?nav=igoogle | 14:08 |
| hahlo | load-applet seems to work better in mer than diablo, is it same program? | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | hahlo: yeah | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | morning b-man | 14:09 |
| RST38h | it is. there was a recent update to it though, so your versions may be a little bit different | 14:09 |
| b-man | morning Stskeeps :) | 14:09 |
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| * b-man leaves for school, see ya in 7 hours ;p | 14:14 | |
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| Stskeeps | hf | 14:14 |
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| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/android-magic-top-new.jpg <- eww | 14:14 |
| * Stskeeps still doesn't see the impressive about android | 14:15 | |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I agree, Android is looking a little weak right now. | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | then again i am probably heavily biased :P | 14:16 |
| * aquatix is somehow impressed by http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/samsung-omniahd-hands-on-now-with-more-touchwiz/ | 14:16 | |
| aquatix | that's one nice S60 device | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | i'm not quite impressed by android btw | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | it's ok, but that's about it | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | Well, they have to show more phones running it, that's for sure. | 14:18 |
| wazd | whats so cool bout AM-OLED screens? | 14:18 |
| wazd | I haven't seen them live so it's difficult to understand | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | low power consumption i believe | 14:18 |
| lcuk | and dont they retain image without power | 14:18 |
| jeremiah | Well OLED is organic LED, so that comes with some advantages in the use of materials I believe. | 14:20 |
| mgedmin | what's the AM part then? | 14:20 |
| wazd | active-matrix organic light-emitting diode, | 14:20 |
| wazd | * Very thin and lighter weight | 14:20 |
| wazd | * Greatly minimized propensity for breakage | 14:20 |
| wazd | * Lower-power, highly rugged with superior image quality, and low cost compared to the current LCD displays | 14:20 |
| wazd | * Due to their inherent ruggedness, allow a unique form factor of conformability and rollability during use, transportation and storage. | 14:20 |
| * mgedmin remembers passive matrices from the early LCD days and shudders | 14:20 | |
| aquatix | wazd: they're really clear too i think | 14:21 |
| aquatix | besides, that OmniaHD has a really highres screen and some interesting GUI | 14:21 |
| wazd | ok, amoled is cool :) | 14:22 |
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| qgil1 | mmm I can't find that bug about applications should open new browser window instead of using the currently open... | 14:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: OLED has got a single big drawback | 14:22 |
| wazd | The display is very difficult to view in sunlight. | 14:22 |
| wazd | ok, amoled sucks) | 14:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: It dies fairly quickly, usually starting from the edges | 14:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's kinda whole oled thing problem | 14:23 |
| * mgedmin finds the wikipedia article about OLEDs and gives up understanding the various kinds in 5 minutes | 14:23 | |
| RST38h | wazd: That is why large-scale OLEDs have been so elusive | 14:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: the best ting is transflective screen I think) | 14:24 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: You only want this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Disadvantages | 14:24 |
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| RST38h | The acronym galore is mainly due to OLEDs still being in active development, give 'em time :) | 14:25 |
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| wazd | Seems like HTC ceo is a local star on MWC :) He has appeared on 3 keynotes already) | 14:27 |
| qgil1 | hum, andre__ leaves when I'm asking for a bug number... :) | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | qgil1: He tends to do that often ;) | 14:29 |
| qgil1 | there is still gmail, X-Fade | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | heh.. | 14:30 |
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| roope | Lots of new touch phones. Have to look at videos. | 14:31 |
| roope | The Omnia UI looked quite messy, but perhaps they're still fixing it. | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil1, the noe I remember was filed for the RSS reader. | 14:32 |
| aquatix | roope: it's alpha | 14:32 |
| aquatix | roope: and there's a lot of widgets there | 14:33 |
| RST38h | Everybody made an iPhone =) | 14:33 |
| aquatix | *sigh* | 14:33 |
| roope | aquatix: yeah, the app UI's didn't fit the screen yet etc. | 14:33 |
| roope | But nice to see somebody else than Nokia using the S60 v5.0. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | I know, they are all iPhones, what is up with that? | 14:33 |
| aquatix | that's not entirely surprising, given the resolution | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil1, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2977 ? | 14:33 |
| aquatix | roope: indeed | 14:34 |
| aquatix | roope: same with SE | 14:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, no camelCase! :P | 14:36 |
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| qgil1 | GeneralAntilles: yes, that's the one - thanks! | 14:37 |
| jeremiah | Ah, this is a media wiki. | 14:38 |
| RST38h | roope: Is it true that Omnia uses S60v5? | 14:38 |
| roope | rst38h: Looking at the video, yes. They had the exact same virtual keyboard, for instance. | 14:38 |
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| roope | And some of the apps were identical. | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | roope: Google says it is winmo 6.1 | 14:38 |
| roope | As the 5800 xpressmusic, for instance. | 14:38 |
| RST38h | wait, plain omnia is 6.1 | 14:39 |
| roope | The engadget article says that "first tiime they've done this on S60". | 14:39 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:39 |
| aquatix | RST38h: the OmniaHD is S60v5 | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil1, that'll be $5. ;) | 14:39 |
| RST38h | with omniahd they apparently ditched winmo for s60 | 14:39 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles could go for a Samsung S60 handset. | 14:40 | |
| roope | yeah, it's clear from the video. | 14:40 |
| RST38h | General: same here | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got an SGH-A717 and it's a great phone. | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually hadn't even realized Samsung had been shipping S60 phones. | 14:41 |
| aquatix | some | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | None to the US, though. | 14:42 |
| aquatix | i think they've shipped a phone with every (major) OS | 14:42 |
| aquatix | could be | 14:42 |
| RST38h | General: You can order one by mail | 14:42 |
| RST38h | The idea that your cell provider should also sell you a phone is ridiculous anyway | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: happen to know of a good guide on making source packages with multiple binary packages? | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, do they actually work on US bands? | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain they don't. | 14:43 |
| RST38h | General: GSM ones usually do nowadays | 14:43 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i have been buying sim-only subscriptions and loose gsm's for a while now | 14:43 |
| RST38h | 3G you will have ot check | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, 3G is the important part. | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | Omnia HD has 360 x 640 pixels <== it is S60v5 all right | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.2" vs 3.7" I'd take the 5800. . . . | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder what CPU | 14:45 |
| * mgedmin is very disappointed in HSDPA modems, especially ones that fail to connect for 40 minutes straight | 14:46 | |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: I think so, or at least I have seen it donw. | 14:46 |
| jeremiah | Let me check. | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Omnia HD 3G bands: HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100 | 14:46 |
| RST38h | General: Is yours there? | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM11 600MHz | 14:47 |
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| qgil1 | GeneralAntilles: sure = one beer in the next Maemo Summit | 14:48 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: oh, only 360x640? | 14:50 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: omniahd has 600MHz omap3 iirc | 14:50 |
| qgil1 | btw I just found out that independent developers will have free entrance in OSiM World: http://event.osimworld.com/developer | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo johnx|zaurus | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: that is what S60v5 uses right now | 14:53 |
| johnx|zaurus | hi | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, is it? | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: marking powerlaunch task as done - i've mapped all the functions to Mer specific stuff | 14:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi johnx|zaurus | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright, sounds good | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | THAT would be a big advantage over the 5800. ;) | 14:54 |
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| johnx|zaurus | qwerty12_N800, awesome work on powerlaunch (!!) | 14:54 |
| johnx|zaurus | that was fast | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: so you can actually shut down sanely now? :P | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yep :p | 14:54 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8910_omnia_hd-review-317.php | 14:54 |
| roope | you need a lot more power to push 800x480 pixels on screen than 480x320. | 14:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx|zaurus: hehe, taking out the battery got too annoying for me :) | 14:55 |
| johnx|zaurus | ah. i just did the sudo reboot thing | 14:55 |
| aquatix | it doesn't really state the cpu | 14:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is too lazy to fire up an xterm :) | 14:56 | |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wonders if samsung service manuals are as easily leaked as nokia & sony ericsson ones | 14:57 | |
| johnx|zaurus | i really need to work on more mer/zaurus stuff. even in its current state its already really nice to use | 14:58 |
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| * johnx|zaurus heads home from work. back in 2 hours | 14:59 | |
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| aquatix | heh, i read `heads home for work' | 14:59 |
| * aquatix really needs to wake up | 14:59 | |
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| timelE61i | gan: i think a general product in extras could work | 15:02 |
| timelE61i | As an intro to bugzilla for random extras packages | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, what about contacting maintainers? | 15:02 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ``Samsung i8910 Omnia HD runs on a new 600 MHz CPU and has a dedicated graphic processor chip.'' and if i'm not mistaken, i heard it was an omap3 | 15:03 |
| aquatix | but i thought the screen was more highres | 15:03 |
| timelE61i | qgil: if you can't find the new window browser bug, i can get it for you | 15:03 |
| aquatix | now i'm still torn | 15:03 |
| aquatix | N97 stays nice ;) | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: I think it can work, but it can swamp bugzilla with bug reports which are not followed up on? | 15:04 |
| timelE61i | it's not a big hazard | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: Who would they be assigned to by default? Our debmaster? | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 15:05 |
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| timelE61i | It means people can easily determine a given package isn't maintained | 15:05 |
| timelE61i | i think debmaster or a community relations person | 15:05 |
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| timelE61i | We should try to have a consistent bug summary for easy searching | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I saw mention of ARM11 on Google | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, dunno. | 15:06 |
| timelE61i | (or we could use the alias field as the package name) | 15:06 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah | 15:08 |
| aquatix | hm, what is Samsung's track record with software updates? | 15:08 |
| timelE61i | Do phone manufacturers offer software updates? :) | 15:09 |
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| aquatix | timelE61i: now and then | 15:10 |
| aquatix | even SE | 15:10 |
| timelE61i | se? | 15:10 |
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| aquatix | they even made my Sony Ericsson m600i functional | 15:10 |
| aquatix | timelE61i: Sony Ericsson | 15:10 |
| roope | omnia HD has a resistive screen, that's interesting. | 15:10 |
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| aquatix | it's quite a nice unit | 15:11 |
| aquatix | and being able to play highres video like that... jum | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Samsung apparently does update firmware | 15:11 |
| wazd | it's a shang-tsung | 15:11 |
| wazd | I bet there's something shitty in it :) | 15:11 |
| aquatix | wazd: yeah, i'm not a fan, but this looks nice | 15:12 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 finds samsung's software shit but the phone themselves decent. I guess with S60, the software part is solved | 15:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd bet Qualcomm | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show "Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder." political or just stupid? ;) | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | "wipro" <- spam | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | woo, my laptop is back from repairs \o/ | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | now i can code on the couch again | 15:17 |
| qgil1 | spam deleted | 15:18 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: yeah | 15:22 |
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| dexterk | hey everyone, I have a develop problem,I wrote a code ,play n800`s camera with GDK , but it always be in dark , a lot of space of the window I put it to view camera | 15:22 |
| dexterk | any one has the similar exprements? | 15:22 |
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| jeremiah | Hey timelE61i - Can you provide an URL for your packaging issue? | 15:25 |
| jeremiah | I want to try to reproduce it now that I have a recent sdk up and running. | 15:25 |
| jeremiah | Also, if people want to spam me, feel free to do so here; http://wiki.maemo.org/TrackingPackaging | 15:26 |
| jeremiah | Stupid name for the page but we can change it. :) | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: A lyric from a song I like, "absinthe makes the heart grow fonder" | 15:27 |
| Andrewfblack | Morning | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 15:29 |
| * Stskeeps tests flashable Mer images | 15:29 | |
| timelE61i | jEremiah: um | 15:30 |
| timelE61i | Gan or sdomeone has | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec. . . . | 15:30 |
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| jeremiah | Got it. | 15:32 |
| timelE61i | sorry, i'm wandering around | 15:32 |
| jeremiah | np | 15:32 |
| * timelE61i goes to kick a box | 15:32 | |
| timelE61i | i'm told it takes about 6 kicks to start | 15:33 |
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| Phoodus | hi, is Deblet orphaned due to Mer? I really, really would rather have a full desktop-ish layout instead of Hildon, and hate to see it left incomplete | 15:44 |
| Andrewfblack | Phoodus, just install lxde on top of mer | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Phoodus: yes, it is, but it is perfectly possible to grab lxde | 15:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get full-desktop on the tablets. . . . | 15:45 | |
| Stskeeps | just don't have any grandeur visions of battery life Æ= | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 15:45 |
| Phoodus | doesn't that mean that both Maemo/Hildon and Mer/LXDE are both taking RAM? | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | Phoodus: nop | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | seperate sessions | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | they may take space, yes, but not ram | 15:46 |
| Andrewfblack | Phoodus, only one runs at a time and if you look at my post on itt it tells you how to change back and forth | 15:46 |
| Phoodus | oh, ok. I tried out Deblet and liked it a lot, but it doesn't see the wlan and if you try to resize the keyboard it freaks out :-P | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, how's battery life in mer now? | 15:47 |
| Phoodus | and the "debian in a file from maemo" didn't tickle my fancy, thought Mer was like that | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: tbh i haven't tested recently | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, tbh - to be hacked? | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: when we actually get a battery meter .. | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no, to be honest, but yes, to be hacked | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 15:47 |
| Andrewfblack | it lasted all night for me | 15:48 |
| slonopotamus | Andrewfblack, n800 with maemo can live for ~5-7 days if left untouched | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: the fact wifi power saving was broken probably didn't help a lot either :P | 15:49 |
| Andrewfblack | slonopotamus, I know but Mer had only been last like 2 hours so its atleast improved without battery meter I don't know how much battery it left it might last that long | 15:49 |
| Andrewfblack | just remembered I have to fix how to for installing lxde Mer 0.8 broke old howto | 15:50 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, tell me more :) will it hit me too? | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, 30 days at the longest. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, it will | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: look at the wifi-powersave.py thingie | 15:50 |
| slonopotamus | Andrewfblack, 2 hours? how? it survives to 2 hours under 100% cpu load @400mhz | 15:51 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what package? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: dsme-tools | 15:51 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, k | 15:51 |
| wazd | http://i.gizmodo.com/5154841/how-not-to-make-a-touchscreen-phone | 15:51 |
| wazd | I told ya :) | 15:51 |
| Andrewfblack | slonopotamus, mer 0.7 had a bug with wifi that is fixed now so it killed battery rather fast it might have been longer then 2 hours but not much more. | 15:52 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, doesn't work with gnash :( | 15:52 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, flash movie | 15:52 |
| slonopotamus | Andrewfblack, okay | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, iPhone whores don't know how to use resistive touch screen.s | 15:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, ever tried handing a tablet to an iPhone owner? | 15:55 |
| wazd | Omnia is capacitive | 15:56 |
| wazd | The Samsung Omnia HD still has the same lousy response when it comes to the touch part, even while its screen is capacitive instead of resistive. | 15:56 |
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| Andrewfblack | Stskeeps, where is the instructions for getting FN key working at? | 15:56 |
| wazd | It's just Shang-Tsung) | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure it's resistive. | 15:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: the guy is probably wrong | 15:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: also, he is most likely trying to fondle it with his finger not with a pen | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: Known issues | 15:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: 5800 is also not very responsive to fingers | 15:57 |
| Andrewfblack | ok thanks | 15:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: hm | 15:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fat-thumbing resistive touchscreen doesn't work well. | 15:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any tablet owner knows that. | 15:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I type pretty well on the fullscreen keyboard | 15:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: just press a bit harder | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, yes, so do I. | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, you and I would have no trouble using that touchscreen. | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Apple fanboys always deliberately try to make resistive touchscreens look bad. | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus, the video. | 15:59 |
| wazd | Oh, I can read detailed review of Omnia HD at mobile-review.com :) | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is also why Apple doesn't talk about their products until they're ready to be released. | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alpha-quality pre-release software rarely gets good press. | 16:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: having huge on screen buttons definitely help, but still, it is easier to use some tool like that little plastic trinagle coming with 5800 | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, i.e. guitar pick? :P | 16:01 |
| RST38h | yep | 16:01 |
| RST38h | btw, capacitive touchscreens have a different problem | 16:01 |
| RST38h | they are not very precise | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 16:02 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: liar, why do you hate apple :( | 16:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Each technology has its own pros and cons. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | suih: I don't hate apple | 16:02 |
| RST38h | I am kinda afraid of apple fans though | 16:02 |
| suihkulokki | that was just a lousy apple fanboy parody | 16:02 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Btw, this means that neither s60v5 nor maemo UI will work well with capacitive screen | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: prod | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: *slap* :p | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: is flasher able to flash both kernel and rootfs in one command when it is not a fiasco image_ | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:04 |
| suihkulokki | .oO( if apple would release a resistive touchscreen device, all the fans would be amazed how accuratly you can draw pretty pictures in the paint app with the bundled pen ) | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, you know it. ;) | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: never tried, why not be the first? ;) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad we didn't get a paint program for Fremantle stars. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | paintbrush 3000 | 16:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: we haven't seen maemo UI yet) | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, worse comes to worst you could do a one-liner, anyway. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 -r ...; flasher-3.0 -k -R | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/;/&&/ | 16:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ; works too | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just in case the first one goes up in flames. ;) | 16:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | fcking jaiku. i think i might make the builder bot get a web interface or something | 16:07 |
| GAN800 | I bet you can do it in one command, though. | 16:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yes. i'm still waiting for cnetworkmanager & powerlaunch | 16:08 |
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| wazd | ok, gone for food | 16:08 |
| * Stskeeps notes to himself apt cache for ubuntu on tmpfs is not feasible. | 16:09 | |
| Stskeeps | and of course the mmap.patch from maemo no longer applies to the newest apt | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with ubifs, no need for it anymore I guess | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think we can backport UBIFS to OMAP2 devices? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we can get newer kernels as well :P | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, understood totally about fat thumbing, thats why you make a pokable ui instead of a strokable one | 16:25 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 16:28 |
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| roope | apple would combine resistive and capacitive screens, try to do the best of both worlds. | 16:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too bad about the power and cost impact. | 16:30 |
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| Phoodus | how many layers do you want on top of your display? :-P | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, steps to reproduce on #4127 are a little weak. ;) | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a URL? | 16:34 |
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| jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: I will try to cut and paste some text | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll work. | 16:35 |
| jeremiah | I am not sure about a URL. | 16:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MXR, maybe? | 16:35 |
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| jeremiah | Its just a simple thing, five points are numbered 1,2,3,3,4 instead of 1,2,3,4,5 | 16:35 |
| jeremiah | I just thought some one might like to know. | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The person who'll actually fix it will probably understand, but, you know. ;) | 16:36 |
| jeremiah | Yep, I will try to make it clearer. :) | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: think jaiku relays messages again | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 16:44 |
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| Macer | have to go pick up my gf from thet airport in a little while | 16:48 |
| Macer | ugh.... the airport :-\ it's almost as bad as going downtown | 16:48 |
| Phoodus | hmm, how do you bring up the onscreen keyboard as Mer is doing its initial user setup stuff? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | click text stuff | 16:49 |
| Phoodus | Sometimes, I clicked in the text field and it came right up, but if the cursor is already there when the dialog pops up, nothing happens | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | text field | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. just click twice | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | it is a bit awkward at times | 16:49 |
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| Phoodus | I've clicked a whole lot more than twice already ;) | 16:49 |
| Phoodus | still nothing | 16:49 |
| Macer | haha | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | click window and then text field? | 16:50 |
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| timelE61i | gAn: i've almost gotten my stage box working | 16:50 |
| Phoodus | yep, tried it, clicking the window does not remove focus from the text field | 16:50 |
| * timelE61i curses unreliable hw | 16:50 | |
| Phoodus | nor does dragging the window nor clicking on the background | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | Phoodus: blah, sucks - tap ok and try again :P | 16:51 |
| Macer | hm | 16:51 |
| Phoodus | "try again" as in running the entire install process again? :-P | 16:51 |
| Phoodus | anyway, hitting cancel on the "type password again" let me move on. Who knows what my password really is now ;) | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :P | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess HIM is a bit wonky in first boot wizard | 16:52 |
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| Phoodus | "Oooh, screen rotation, let me try that! Hey, why is my screen blank now?" | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | Phoodus: it's a trick to kick out to console ;) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to track it down and fix it | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:53 |
| johnx|zaurus | i let my friend play with mer for about a minute and he had already found that 'trick' | 16:53 |
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| * Phoodus does a battery yank | 16:54 | |
| johnx|zaurus | he didn't find the fix though. i'll get on him to send a patch :) | 16:54 |
| Andrewfblack | how do I make a package install the sugguested items also | 16:54 |
| Phoodus | so what sort of idle battery life can I expect from the latest Mer? | 16:55 |
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| Phoodus | I'd seen mention that there was a wifi power issue but that's been fixed | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, you tell us :P | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | probably once we can show people the battery meter we can start saying if we have impact :P | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | and powerlaunch active | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | so people can lock their tablets like they use to | 16:58 |
| RST38h | LG is also launching S60 based phone | 16:58 |
| * RST38h can almost see Ballmer breaking another chair | 16:58 | |
| lcuk | roope, too right they would, they have stroking as an integral part of their devices (even before iphone), they would not want to give it up | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: windows mobile has just lost, really. only thing they have going for them is PIM and synchronization really :P | 16:58 |
| * lcuk is in and out randomly so will just reply later ;) | 16:58 | |
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| johnx|zaurus | Stskeeps, winmo 6.5 looks ok for what it is | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Not so fast | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: WinMo has got HTC and LG as well | 17:00 |
| RST38h | It does look like Xperia was enough for Sony to figure out why WinMo is not a good idea though =) | 17:01 |
| johnx | RST38h, it is worth noting they're not exclusive to winmo though | 17:01 |
| RST38h | johnx: Who? HTC? | 17:01 |
| johnx | both | 17:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: HTC is pretty much WinMo exclusive | 17:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: LG is not, but they don't have that many smartphones either | 17:02 |
| Phoodus | Is there any way to adjust the system font size in Mer? | 17:03 |
| johnx | yeah, HTC is winmo exclusive except for those android phones | 17:03 |
| johnx | and didn't they do designs for Palm? | 17:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not sure about Palm thing, haven't heard about it. Android is more of an exception. | 17:03 |
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| * RST38h looks at the source code he has to refactor and sighs heavily | 17:04 | |
| johnx | so how many phones does it take to move from exception to pattern? | 17:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Four | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Four phones. | 17:05 |
| johnx | thank you GeneralAntilles for the hard and fast numbers | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | johnx: At least 25% of the total | 17:06 |
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| wazd | back with food. killed mamonth | 17:06 |
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| johnx | wow...so...that's kind of an interesting definition of 'exclusive' | 17:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: that was an elephant who ran from a traveling circus and went native | 17:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: you perfectly understand what I mean | 17:07 |
| Macer | haha | 17:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: HTC makes WinMo phones. Then Google asks them (and pays) to make an Android phone. They do. | 17:07 |
| johnx | then they make a second | 17:07 |
| Macer | RST38h: android is awesome :) | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: And a second one, which they also do | 17:08 |
| Macer | go google! | 17:08 |
| Macer | haha | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: Now, if they start making more models on their own, reducing the number of WinMo handsets, that would be a trend | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | johnx: But so far, it is more like an exception, especially considering that Google asked them | 17:08 |
| Macer | isn't htc owned by via? | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Macer: is it? hmm | 17:08 |
| johnx | RST38h, sure, but there's grey area between 'exclusive' and 'trend' | 17:08 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nvidias-tegra-in-the-flesh-booting-to-android-and-pumping-out/ | 17:09 |
| johnx | just sayin'... | 17:09 |
| wazd | wow | 17:09 |
| Macer | which is owned by an extremely rich tw family | 17:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: I guess we can somehow define it in terms of percentages or the profit | 17:09 |
| Macer | wazd: android is great :) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: but we are not editing wikipedia here, so it is not very important | 17:09 |
| johnx | or we can say that HTC used to be exclusively WinMo, but now they're not and a certain Steve from Redmond is probably pissed | 17:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: He would be even more pissed if they just switched their Touch line to Android | 17:11 |
| johnx | well, only time will tell | 17:11 |
| RST38h | So far, I am sure it is more like an annoyance to Stevie | 17:11 |
| johnx | yeah, but he's kind of an ... uhm ... excitable guy | 17:12 |
| Macer | i don't really like winmo anyways | 17:12 |
| johnx | in other news: neat to see some of the nVidia's Tegra concept devices | 17:12 |
| wazd | Macer: well, tegra is great :) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | touch screen is not very responsive on the left side :) | 17:12 |
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| Macer | wazd: so w/ android on it.. it will be even greater | 17:12 |
| Macer | haha | 17:12 |
| Macer | androffice needs to come out already | 17:13 |
| Macer | i also need to check and see if there has been a fw update since i last updated | 17:13 |
| * RST38h does not see what is so exciting about android, it is just another java platform | 17:13 | |
| Macer | once you root the g1 it is a beast | 17:13 |
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| Phoodus | is there a howto for enabling wireless networking in Mer? Google's not helping much | 17:13 |
| Macer | RST38h: you have an android phone? | 17:13 |
| wazd | my laptop actually lags a bit showing tegra showing 1080p video :D | 17:14 |
| johnx | Phoodus, what happens if you click the 'plug' icon in the status bar? | 17:14 |
| Phoodus | johnx: argh, thanks. I thought that was for wired, since it's the same icon as deblet, or the config's DSL icon | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Macer: no. should I? | 17:15 |
| Macer | yes.. it's good :) | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Macer: how is it better than an S60 phone? | 17:16 |
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| Macer | less dated interface like symbian | 17:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: It's android! How dare you! | 17:16 |
| Macer | symbian needs a new look | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Macer: I am used to S60 UI, it is ok with me | 17:16 |
| Macer | and better interface | 17:16 |
| Macer | i am too. i have an n95.. but it still sucks as an interface compared to android | 17:17 |
| * RST38h can operate S60 with one hand. Is it possible to do with Android? | 17:17 | |
| Macer | depends on the phone | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tegra is shit. | 17:17 |
| RST38h | There is only 1 Android phone on the market right now | 17:17 |
| wazd | All current interfaces are outdated now | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linux support == Android | 17:17 |
| RST38h | So, is it possible to operate G1 with one hand? | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tegra is way behind the curve now, anyway. | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM11 | 17:17 |
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| Macer | not yet. ;) although probably | 17:17 |
| Macer | i'm not sure if they've made an onscreen touch keyboard | 17:18 |
| RST38h | General: Tegra is Nvidia's vidoe hw + a random ARM core they slapped in | 17:18 |
| Macer | you can other than typing i suppose | 17:18 |
| RST38h | General: So, don't be too harsh on them | 17:18 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh. kinda. I wonder what kind of 3D support they have in Android | 17:18 |
| Macer | and even then.. if you're good.. then yes :) | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Macer: I can operate E70 with one hand even if I am bad | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Macer: it may look dull and dated but it does the job | 17:18 |
| roope | The thing with WH is that eventually their gains will come to just about any SW platform. | 17:18 |
| Macer | i suppose.. but all android would need is an onscreen touch kb | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see the advantage to Tegra over OMAP. | 17:19 |
| Macer | and there you go... gets the job done :) | 17:19 |
| Macer | and looks better in the process | 17:19 |
| RST38h | General: Probably in 3D features, but we have no details on these yet | 17:19 |
| Macer | symbian looks like it is straight out of 1990 | 17:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, then don't look at as Tegra vs OMAP3. I think they're trying to compete a little more downmarket | 17:19 |
| RST38h | General: because both ImageTec and Nvidia are so damn secretive | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see TI shipping that ARM GPU on the OMAP4 | 17:19 |
| wazd | Macer: who cares how it looks) | 17:19 |
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| lardman | any gstreamer gurus about? | 17:20 |
| roope | Tegra has a good price offering, as far as I can tell. | 17:20 |
| Macer | wazd: windows 3.1 got the job done | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Macer: I do not think Android will do my job done | 17:20 |
| Macer | :) | 17:20 |
| wazd | Macer: all blig-blig stuff goes away after a week | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, they're talking about MIDs. | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | and they aint shipping no OMAP2s in MIDs. ;) | 17:20 |
| wazd | bling-bling I mean) | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Macer: touchscreen is inherently more difficult to operate, no native apps, etc | 17:20 |
| RST38h | General: There are MIPS-based cheap MIDs | 17:20 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well a certain company has been competing in the MID market with an OMAP2... | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, most of my negative reactions are in respond to inane fanboism. | 17:21 |
| RST38h | General: However slow that Tegra may be, it will run circles around poor MIPS | 17:21 |
| Macer | RST38h: all i can say is i had an n95.. i loved it... now i have a g1 (and the n95 still) and i like my g1 more | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, in 2007, now they're moving on. | 17:21 |
| wazd | Ask any sane iPhone user, all excitement bout supersmooth scrolling going away very soon | 17:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's fair. It's hilarious on the pandora forums "Will the next Pandora have something super awesome like a tegra?!" | 17:21 |
| roope | When Tegra finally comes, then there will be the Tegra2, or the Tigra, or whatever, and people will be like "oh this Tegra is crap, I want the Tigra". | 17:22 |
| Macer | if you aren't driving your car trying to txt with one hand ... and you are sitting down and actually using your phone... the g1 is better to use than the n95 | 17:22 |
| johnx | I guess the Tegra's speed will depend on how well NV can get things shifted onto the GPU | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they should be asking if the "current" pandora will be shipped before the 2012 olympics | 17:22 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: :) | 17:23 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N800: befor apocatypse in 2025) | 17:23 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, probably just shipped before an N900 announcement :> | 17:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 17:23 |
| lardman | wazd: I think opening the box containing it will cause the apocalypse | 17:24 |
| StsN802 | 'we invested all your money in n900s so we can bathe in them | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN802, ha! | 17:24 |
| johnx | eh, I'll tell you how Maemo5 runs on it once I get mine :P | 17:25 |
| lardman | johnx: any more progress on shipping dates then? | 17:25 |
| Phoodus | me wishes that a clamshell with a more real keyboard like the Jornada 720 was still being made :-P | 17:25 |
| johnx | lardman, well, there's an update on the official blog | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN802, now we need to talk Nokia into a photo op. . . . | 17:25 |
| lardman | Phoodus: yeah, Jornada + updates innards (or dare I say Psion 5 + updated innards! ;)) | 17:25 |
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| wazd | Phoodus: sony p | 17:26 |
| johnx | lardman, not exactly great news, but at least things are solidifying into a real product | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, "You silly fuckers! You thought you were gonna get something for your money, didn't you? Ha ha!" | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 17:26 |
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| lardman | johnx: update about fiddling with key mat, sounds like waffle, something I understood had been done long ago, only to find out they'd not done it | 17:26 |
| Phoodus | wazd: yeah, kinda big for a handheld/pocketable though | 17:26 |
| wazd | "Hello I'm the Pandora Creator, I'm writing you from the Carribeans" :) | 17:27 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, more like "everything's pretty much waiting on the final case, then we're good to go" | 17:27 |
| lardman | johnx: sorry am pretty cynical now, after all the rubbish excuses and the final straw - no CC | 17:27 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I'm out now anyway | 17:27 |
| johnx | lardman, it's been a bumpy ride for sure. | 17:27 |
| Phoodus | at least they seemed to be transparent about things after they knew what was going on | 17:27 |
| johnx | out of curiosity, has anyone else been part of a co-op or 'group buy' before? | 17:28 |
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| wazd | johnx: btw, what does this mean? : Subalashii asaga akelu | 17:28 |
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| johnx | wazd, have any context for me? | 17:30 |
| lardman | amazing, I emailed the council about potholes 30min ago and they have already responded to say they'll send someone to look at them | 17:30 |
| lardman | what is the world coming to?! | 17:30 |
| johnx | lardman, the maemo.org council? | 17:30 |
| wazd | Subalashii asaga akelu | 17:30 |
| wazd | Yoakega yobikakelu | 17:30 |
| wazd | Kokorono izumiga wakidelu | 17:30 |
| wazd | Yumeno yo | 17:30 |
| wazd | xD | 17:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: hah, try that in london... | 17:30 |
| lardman | johnx: no local council :) | 17:30 |
| johnx | wazd, was hoping for some clue in English :P | 17:30 |
| johnx | is this from a song? | 17:30 |
| RST38h | lardman: Where is it? | 17:31 |
| wazd | johnx: yep | 17:31 |
| johnx | do you have it in Japanese (instead of latin characters)? | 17:31 |
| * RST38h feeds it to google | 17:31 | |
| wazd | johnx: maybe I can ggogle for translation) | 17:31 |
| wazd | johnx: nope( | 17:31 |
| RST38h | No doughnut | 17:32 |
| johnx | wazd, the part you gave me is something like 'the excellent north is open' (40% confidence in correctness) | 17:32 |
| johnx | s/is open/opens/ ... maybe? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have found it | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | wazd: a moment | 17:33 |
| Phoodus | it translates into "Your hair is on fire. Eat some pie." | 17:33 |
| wazd | Here comes splendid morning | 17:33 |
| dphil314 | exact translation: Take off! To the Great White North | 17:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://pohodar.com/preklady/FreddieMercury_Japonaise.htm | 17:33 |
| wazd | Dawn is calling | 17:33 |
| wazd | http://www.queencollector.com/Lyrics/japon.htm | 17:33 |
| wazd | :) Thanks anyway) | 17:33 |
| johnx | heh | 17:34 |
| johnx | that's kind of a high level translation on that page | 17:35 |
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| Phoodus | is there any real issue with giving myself half a gig of swap instead of limiting it to around the mem size? | 17:35 |
| wazd | johnx: low-level is 0001010101 :) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: 0x55 is not a letter | 17:36 |
| RST38h | wait, not it is a capital letter =) | 17:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: goddamn! Nerd alert! xD | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | hehehe | 17:36 |
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| * Phoodus is not familiar with 10-bit character encodings ;-P | 17:37 | |
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| RST38h | disregard leading zeros | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phoodus, there's little point. | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the time you're swapping that much, the system is going to be slowed to zero. | 17:38 |
| jeremiah | Phoodus: There are conflicting views out there regarding what is ideal swap size. :) | 17:39 |
| wazd | I always wondered how processor defins where's the space in the symbol) | 17:39 |
| wazd | I mean in 010101 row0 | 17:39 |
| wazd | defines* | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | With slow ass flash, 1:1 to RAM is pushing it sometimes. | 17:39 |
| johnx | Phoodus, it won't hurt | 17:39 |
| johnx | it all depends on the workload | 17:39 |
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| johnx | if you run a lot of things that load huge amounts of data and don't use it it should be fine | 17:40 |
| johnx | wazd, ok, I was wrong on north, but literally 'excellent dawn opens' | 17:42 |
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| johnx | ahaha...and translate.google.com suggests that I "Open a beautiful morning" :) | 17:45 |
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| wazd | johnx: oh) | 17:47 |
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| lardman | RST38h: sorry for the delay, Bath, UK | 17:47 |
| wazd | johnx: japaneese language is pretty complex :) | 17:48 |
| johnx | wazd, eh...it's just different really | 17:48 |
| johnx | spanish <-> english usually works pretty well with literal translation | 17:48 |
| johnx | but Japanese <-> English can be done at a literal level (like I did) or a high level (translating the intent) | 17:49 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly on iTT with the university professor with professor farnsworth as avatar.. | 17:50 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, can someone grab the VMDK and verify the Enter fix works? my rdesktop might be a bit biased since i am rdesktopping from a Mer device.. | 17:53 |
| * johnx downloads | 17:53 | |
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| lardman | hmm, not sure about Google's tanslation of the Spanish te into English te (?!) | 17:56 |
| johnx | it can be a little rough :) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: is powerlunch in user/ btw? | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes, user/system | 17:59 |
| herzi | qgil_afk: ping | 17:59 |
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| qwerty12 | The mer2 version is a lot better but jaiku wont let me build it, so you're stuck with mer1 ;) | 17:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: unbelievabale, maybe city council is planning to fire the road maintenance company? =) | 17:59 |
| lardman | RST38h: well my car suspension will be happy to not have huge potholes to drive over, let's hope that actually do something about it or I'll be out at 3 in the morning with some tarmacadam and a spade :) | 18:00 |
| Pradeeptk | Hi guys, is it possible to add an icon to the system tray in Fremantle, if yes what api should I use | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Pradeeptk: same as usual (afaik) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | but we will know more in alpha and beta sdk | 18:01 |
| lardman | we'll know with the release of the alpha sdk | 18:01 |
| lardman | or at least we'll know the api | 18:02 |
| Pradeeptk | I tried GtkStatusIcon and no effect | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle pre-alpha sdk is a bit weird testing applications in :P | 18:03 |
| Pradeeptk | I agree | 18:03 |
| Pradeeptk | anyway thanks for your help guys | 18:04 |
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| timeless | hello world | 18:15 |
| timeless | when i vote for something | 18:15 |
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| timeless | it gives me a token | 18:15 |
| timeless | does the page tell me in which ellection i just voted? | 18:15 |
| Phoodus | how do you launch onboard in lxde? | 18:16 |
| timeless | is lxde part of maemo? | 18:16 |
| * timeless sounds like a broken record | 18:16 | |
| Phoodus | it's another window manager, on top of Mer | 18:16 |
| Phoodus | and I seem to be at a catch 22 in the install steps, needing to type in stuff to run the network setup, so that I can copy app icons over to enable onboard :-P | 18:17 |
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| qwerty12 | ssh :> | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, to run the network setup >.< | 18:18 |
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| timeless | write a deb which does what you want | 18:19 |
| timeless | and then stick it on a mmc card | 18:19 |
| timeless | then all you have to do is use filemanager/browser/appication manager to open it | 18:19 |
| timeless | jeremiah: where were we/ :) | 18:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, s/Maemo Extras/Extras/g | 18:22 |
| StsN800 | wanted to make sure it isn't Mer Extras | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org Extras then | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | k, will fix when done watching House? | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | -? | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, meh, just informing you for the future. ;) | 18:24 |
| lfelipe | is valerio here on irc ? | 18:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles kicks the Community Highlights out the door. | 18:25 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so what is the 'Extras' policy on armv5te compatiblity? | 18:25 |
| lfelipe | (don't know if he uses irc, or his nick if he does) | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | lfelipe, VDVsx? | 18:25 |
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| VDVsx | qwerty12, I'm here | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx, I think lfelipe wants you (at least I think you are the only Valerio here :)) | 18:27 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12, yup,thanks | 18:27 |
| lfelipe | qwerty12: talking to him already, thanks :) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, is there one? ;) | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, anyway, it sounds like a good opportunity to figure it out. | 18:29 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, apps targetted at chinook/diablo OS2008 extras could expect an armv6 and a vfp. apps targeted at being run in Mer should run on an armv5te w/o vfp | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, it's up to the packager/developer, I use "ifneq (,$(findstring vfp,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)))\nCFLAGS += -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mtune=arm1136jf-s \nendif" in my extras packages. I'm pretty sure that those packages won't run on a 770 | 18:29 |
| johnx | or a zaurus or a pocketloox | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | But if I'm being honest, when I upload to Extras, I'm thinking about a N8x0 running diablo/chinook - not a 770 using a hackers edition or Mer | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | "armel" isn't really specific enough | 18:31 |
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| johnx | yeah. ubuntu and debian already target different CPUs and call the packages 'armel' | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | And, as a dev, I'd want to upload a single package and have the auto-builder deal with the processor flags (unless I know they cause problems) | 18:32 |
| StsN800 | maybe expecting direct usage of extras binary packages | 18:33 |
| StsN800 | is | 18:33 |
| StsN800 | a bit too much | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | StsN800: I think it should be a primary goal for N8x0 hardware; or some solution to the problem found | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | Maybe an auto-rebuilder :) | 18:35 |
| johnx | hmm...as a fallback for packages that won't be/can't be rebuilt it makes sense | 18:35 |
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| johnx | Jaffa, as for uploading a single source package I think that is definitely an achievable goal | 18:36 |
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| StsN800 | or trying to grab all extras packages and build them | 18:37 |
| johnx | I've also been looking at that a little bit | 18:37 |
| StsN800 | and make a % of compatibility | 18:38 |
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| johnx | anyways, I should make xfbdev work right on the zaurus so there's more of a purpose to having good armv5te support :) | 18:39 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 18:42 |
| johnx | enter works just fine | 18:43 |
| johnx | I notice enter stopped working on my zaurus though if I killed h-i-m | 18:43 |
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| Phoodus | man, there are a lot of issues with onboard | 18:44 |
| Phoodus | any other onscreen keyboards to try? | 18:44 |
| johnx | matchbox-keyboard, and xvkb (I think) come to mind | 18:45 |
| Phoodus | k, I'll give them a try | 18:45 |
| johnx | but this is one of the bigger reasons I threw in the towel on my hacked up version of debian | 18:45 |
| StsN800 | johnx, if you could answer to ta-t3 then about enter | 18:45 |
| Phoodus | the weird thing is that the Enter key doesn't work in onboard. Kind of makes it useless :-P | 18:45 |
| johnx | StsN800, will do | 18:46 |
| StsN800 | Phoodus, remove HIM plugin from gtk | 18:46 |
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| Phoodus | StsN800: how? | 18:47 |
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| StsN800 | /etc/gtksomething/something.immodules | 18:50 |
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| johnx | mmm...bluetooth over wifi looks hot | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | bluetooth over wifi? .. | 18:57 |
| johnx | technically 'bluetooth alternate mac/phy' | 18:57 |
| johnx | the bluetooth stack keeps a list of alternate systems for bulk transfer and then the two devices use bt to handshake and agree on the transfer system, and wifi for bulk data | 18:58 |
| johnx | s/systems/transports | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 18:59 |
| * Stskeeps installs powerlaunch | 18:59 | |
| johnx | http://i.gizmodo.com/5154863/bluetooth-over-wi+fi-zoomtastic-speed-shocks-our-pants-off | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, install the mer2 version when jaiku fucking lets me write "build powerlaunch" >.< | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | "Now press F0 15" | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | That's why I did a workaround in mer2 :) | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, may I give you a midori patch that gives midori proper keybindings (fullscreen, zoom and back) for N800 only if it is building for armel | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | *? | 19:04 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yeah. I'll do a new build and enable some other stuff too | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, cool, http://pastebin.com/m5a93b83d | 19:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm a bit surprised Engadget's not covering OMAP4. | 19:24 |
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| Phoodus | hmm, in desktop Ubuntu, there's an option for "Password dialogs as normal windows" | 19:49 |
| Phoodus | which is what people use to get onscreen keyboard to work for GUI sudo password prompts | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | it's a gconf option | 19:49 |
| Phoodus | I just looked through my gconf dump and didn't see it... | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | I remember toggling it in deblet somewhere... | 19:50 |
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| Phoodus | found it: /apps/gksu/disable-grab | 19:54 |
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| Phoodus | why am I getting the masochistic impulse to install Eclipse? | 19:58 |
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| johnx | why does Ballmer look like a sociopath in every photo he's in? | 20:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'cause he is? | 20:02 |
| johnx | but...you think someone would coach him on how to look sane for press shots | 20:02 |
| johnx | http://i.gizmodo.com/5154335/lg-signed-up-to-make-50thats-fiftywindows-mobile-phones | 20:02 |
| johnx | like "if they pull out cameras: hide your face with your hands" | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | "You have soft hands" | 20:03 |
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| johnx | that LG guy looks vaguely terrified | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "We're shipping your shitty OS. Please don't kill me." | 20:04 |
| johnx | more like "sweet jesus...where did I go wrong to end up in this situation?" | 20:05 |
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| ShadowJK | When they say 50, I hope they don't mean 50 models | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | why do they need to have so many models.. | 20:09 |
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| johnx | shotgun approach | 20:09 |
| lcuk | so they can put a different version of windows 7 | 20:09 |
| lcuk | on each model | 20:09 |
| johnx | keep shooting and eventually you'll hit ... something? maybe a tree? maybe your hunting partner? | 20:10 |
| * lcuk dies in the corner from shivers and coughing | 20:10 | |
| johnx | oh noes! | 20:10 |
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| johnx | apply bacon liberally! | 20:10 |
| johnx | lcuk, is mrs. lcuk taking good care of you? | 20:11 |
| johnx | ha! might have the tslib stuff tracked down | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | mrs lcuk took care of me at first | 20:14 |
| lcuk | now she is starting to get it herself | 20:14 |
| johnx | eep | 20:14 |
| lcuk | i thought i was done | 20:14 |
| johnx | always happens :/ | 20:14 |
| lcuk | but this morning all the green stuff had hardened into some sort of alien cement | 20:14 |
| * lcuk was very late for work and spent the day being v poorly | 20:16 | |
| * lcuk is in bed now | 20:16 | |
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| lcuk | cyas later | 20:16 |
| johnx | later lcuk | 20:16 |
| johnx | hang in there | 20:16 |
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| neostrider | hey folks | 20:23 |
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| luke-jr | N810 just arrived | 21:02 |
| luke-jr | missing the Get started guide and Safety, warranty and other product information booklet | 21:03 |
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| luke-jr | worth insisting he ship me, or useless? | 21:03 |
| wazd | luke-jr: grats :) | 21:04 |
| wazd | Well, warranty is worth I think, if it's still active | 21:05 |
| wazd | all documentation is duplicated on the device in .pdf format | 21:05 |
| luke-jr | wow | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | the kb lights up | 21:07 |
| wazd | luke-jr: sure) | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | think I should do a fresh flash? | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | wtf, how do I get to a cmd line? :/ | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_mer | X terminal in the menu... | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | ah, scroll | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | best way to do a complete backup? | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | wtf, no tab key ☹ | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | also no | key :) | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | what's def pass? | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | There isn't one | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | sudo wants one :/ | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | grab rootsh from extras | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_mer | install sudser for sudo | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | I don't want to modify ANYTHING until I backup | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | by default you can't gain root | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_mer | Good luck getting root then :rolleyes: | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: if you didn't install anything, the contents is == the firmware images you can dl | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | what of this Backup/Restore applet? | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it's used ;) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | then just use backup/restore i guess | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | still though, the first thing you ought to do is flash it to latest release :P | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | no memory card.. | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | n810? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | it should have an internal one | 21:14 |
| RST38h | moo all | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | I want to back that up too | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | the internal 2 gig "memory card" isn't touched by reflashing the tablet, afaik | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | connect device to usb, so | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | then you can copy the fs | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | o rly? | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | wtf, non-standard USB? :/ | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | I hope the cable wasn't left out too | 21:16 |
| johnx | micro USB is standard | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I have a standard USB cable with the device end almost the same size | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | why the heck are there two standards on the same size? | 21:17 |
| johnx | micro is smaller than mini | 21:17 |
| luke-jr | the one I'm referring to is les than a mm diff | 21:17 |
| johnx | ok | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | so how do I install this sudo thing | 21:18 |
| johnx | really, just get rootsh from extras | 21:18 |
| johnx | ~extras | 21:18 |
| infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 21:18 |
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| johnx | then type: root | 21:19 |
| Tenkawa | Maemo got a netbook useable port yet? | 21:19 |
| Tenkawa | specificly the aspire one | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Tenkawa: you might want to look at Mer | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i am running Mer, right now, on a VIA C3 laptop, so :P | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | ~mer | 21:20 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | Stskeeps: reading | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | thanks | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | I really like maemo on my nokia n800 | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | wireless drivers are my concern | 21:21 |
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| Tenkawa | thanks for the info | 21:21 |
| Tenkawa | bbl | 21:21 |
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| Davide | hi does anyone know why mplayer processes do not terminate in the terminal? | 21:22 |
| Davide | when playing a wav file? | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | so on USB, sdc is the internal flash? | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | any access to the ROM-style flash? | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_mer | ssh | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | and how did I just mount that FAT partition if the tablet is using it? :/ | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | magic | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | !!! | 21:23 |
| Davide | anyone use Xchat successfully? | 21:24 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the tablet probably isn't using it now :) | 21:24 |
| johnx | Davide, yup. I'm a big fan of Xchat :) | 21:24 |
| Davide | hey omg maybe you can help me I'm desperate LOL | 21:24 |
| Davide | are you able to use sounds? | 21:25 |
| Davide | sound alerts? | 21:25 |
| johnx | sorry. I don't use sound alerts for my chat/irc stuff. first thing I turn off/disable even on the desktop :( | 21:26 |
| Davide | oh | 21:26 |
| Davide | :( | 21:26 |
| Davide | I cant get that feature to work. | 21:26 |
| * qwerty12_mer had them working using an mp3 enabled 'play' from sox but was in a past reflash... | 21:27 | |
| Davide | I tried using "external player" and using mplayer | 21:27 |
| Davide | but mplayer starts a process with each sound, and it never terminates | 21:27 |
| Davide | and it uses up all the cpu | 21:27 |
| Davide | I was wondering how to get xchat to look at the standard media player | 21:28 |
| Davide | what would be the path for the standard media player that I would put in there? | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | ./Video/Anna Abreu - End of Love.avi <-- standard on N810? | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_mer | nope | 21:30 |
| johnx | dumpster diving :) | 21:30 |
| Davide | doesnt it need the path to the player? | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | guess I get special extras | 21:30 |
| benson | luke-jr: It came on mine... | 21:31 |
| Davide | for example for mplayer I put: /usr/bin/mplayer | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | o | 21:31 |
| benson | I axed it. | 21:31 |
| johnx | Davide, I don't think he was answering your question | 21:31 |
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| Davide | oh ok | 21:31 |
| Davide | sorry I'm so self centered :D | 21:31 |
| benson | Stupid videos are even less useful than user manuals in Russian to me. | 21:31 |
| johnx | no worries :) | 21:31 |
| Davide | but anyhow anyone have any idea? | 21:32 |
| johnx | Davide, is sox available for os2008? | 21:32 |
| Davide | is it possible to control the Standard Media Player from another program? | 21:32 |
| Davide | idk | 21:32 |
| Davide | not in the repositories | 21:32 |
| Davide | not the regular maemo repositories at least | 21:32 |
| Davide | where would I look for it? | 21:32 |
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| johnx | huh...I see it here | 21:33 |
| johnx | let's see what repo it is | 21:33 |
| Davide | oh? | 21:33 |
| Davide | let me check | 21:33 |
| Davide | its called sox | 21:33 |
| Davide | just like that? | 21:33 |
| johnx | yup | 21:33 |
| Davide | nope | 21:34 |
| Davide | wait | 21:34 |
| Davide | are you in red pill mode? | 21:34 |
| johnx | I used apt-get | 21:34 |
| wazd | Woo, I got an idea! | 21:34 |
| Davide | remind me how that command works? sorry I'm not linux savvy! | 21:34 |
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| johnx | apt-cache policy sox | 21:35 |
| Davide | do I have to be in root? | 21:35 |
| johnx | yup | 21:35 |
| johnx | so first type: root | 21:35 |
| johnx | then just try apt-get install sox | 21:35 |
| johnx | yup. it's in extras | 21:35 |
| Davide | could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock etc... | 21:36 |
| johnx | you have application manager running :) | 21:36 |
| Davide | oh haha yes | 21:36 |
| johnx | two package managers running at the same time would be 'not cool' | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | how do I get ssh? :/ | 21:37 |
| johnx | it's called openssh-server | 21:37 |
| johnx | it's in extras | 21:37 |
| Davide | Warning: the following packages cannot be authenticated! | 21:37 |
| Davide | sox | 21:37 |
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| Davide | Install without verification? | 21:37 |
| Davide | yes? | 21:37 |
| johnx | Davide, that's ok. hit y | 21:37 |
| Davide | unpaking | 21:38 |
| Davide | sweet | 21:38 |
| Davide | so why does it not find it through the app manager? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | because packages that are not in user/ may hurt and cut users.. | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:38 |
| johnx | well there's like a dozen low-level 'not really end-user friendly' packages for every friendly GUI package | 21:38 |
| Davide | oh | 21:39 |
| * Stskeeps personally believes in darwinism when it comes to packages choice, but so it goes. | 21:39 | |
| Davide | man I gotta hang out with you guys more! | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | hm | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | my battery monitor icon disappeared :/ | 21:39 |
| timeless | gan: could you get someone to fix bug 4129 ? | 21:39 |
| johnx | luke-jr, did you run out of space while installing something? | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I hope not? | 21:40 |
| Davide | ok so how do Imake it look at sox? | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | openssh install is hanging tho | 21:40 |
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| Davide | or make xchat use sox? | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | Davide: sox is illegal | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: it generates dsa and rsa keys | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | it takes time | 21:40 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, what? | 21:40 |
| Davide | huh? | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | don't believe me, go read the licenses ;) | 21:40 |
| johnx | Davide, same way as using mplayer: sox /media/mmc2/my-file.wav | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | redistribution of sox is not permitted as a whole | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I already voted, so I can't confirm but doesn't the "Voting requirements for future Maemo Community Council elections" line tell you what you're voting in? | 21:41 |
| RST38h | luke: why? | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | in particular, gsm support (not optional) included is not legally copyable | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | there is no license granted to copy it | 21:41 |
| RST38h | ah shit | 21:41 |
| Davide | so it cannot be shared? | 21:42 |
| Davide | :{ | 21:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, since you've got such a thing for license pedantry, try not to throw around the term "illegal" too much. | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | not legally unless you strip gsm out | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I'm not sure you totally understand the meaning. | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | err | 21:43 |
| * johnx sighs | 21:43 | |
| luke-jr | can I get the terminal autocomplete to NOT show my SSH password? :/ | 21:43 |
| johnx | Davide, don't worry about it too much | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | you have terminal autocomplete? :P | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: tap and hold, remove | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | it was on already ;p | 21:44 |
| johnx | luke-jr, they fixed it in the new version of the terminal that you don't want to upgrade to | 21:44 |
| benson | luke-jr: newer version... | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | ugh | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | Zaurus kb was so much better ☹ | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson++ | 21:44 |
| johnx | yeah, but sharp hates us more than nokia hates us | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | how do I press Home? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | the swap button | 21:45 |
| johnx | O_o | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever the icon is on n810 | 21:45 |
| johnx | luke-jr, do you have an n810 or n800? | 21:45 |
| * Stskeeps owns a n800 but would also love a n810 donation. :P | 21:45 | |
| benson | luke-jr: upper button on the left edge | 21:45 |
| johnx | n810 = two boxes left of the screen, n800 = picture of a house | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | that opens some menu | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | johnx: 810 | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Heh, looks like Nokia released TWO similar phones with qwerty: E75 *and* XpressMusic 5730 | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Why would they do it? | 21:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, the mysteries of marketing | 21:46 |
| Davide | well instead of playing it gives me a hge list like a help file | 21:46 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yes, it opens the app switching menu | 21:46 |
| benson | RST38h: saves development costs over two different phones. | 21:46 |
| Davide | what would I type to make it just play the file | 21:47 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: but I want to press Home… | 21:47 |
| johnx | Davide, where is your file and exactly what did you type? also: remember that it's case SenSitiVe :) | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | the key | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | mtdblock0 contains the others, right? | 21:47 |
| Davide | I typed: sox /media/mmc1/xchat/help01.wav | 21:47 |
| benson | Davide: play is the version of sox that goes to output. | 21:48 |
| Davide | so I type play /media/mmc1/xchat/help01.wav | 21:48 |
| Davide | ? | 21:48 |
| benson | Yes | 21:48 |
| Davide | oh | 21:48 |
| johnx | Davide, ah. sorry about that. been years since I used sox :( | 21:49 |
| RST38h | benson: but it is essentially the same phone, even mechanically | 21:49 |
| benson | (If you don't have play, sox can do it, but you need some options to tell it about the output.) | 21:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ah, don't tell me they are going to try "software differentiation" again :) | 21:49 |
| benson | RST38h: sure, saves _lots_ of development costs. | 21:49 |
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| johnx | RST38h, meh. just marketing differentiation: a new coat of paint, different posters in bus stops and a different background image :) | 21:50 |
| Davide | hey, just wanna say I love you guys! | 21:50 |
| Davide | thank you so much | 21:50 |
| Davide | you just made my day! | 21:50 |
| johnx | Davide, glad it's working for you :) | 21:50 |
| Davide | it works! | 21:51 |
| Davide | :D | 21:51 |
| johnx | so when we message you on IRC your tablet screams 'help!'? :P | 21:51 |
| Davide | haha | 21:51 |
| Davide | almost! | 21:51 |
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| luke-jr | any way to get a full internal-MTD-flash backup? | 21:52 |
| Davide | hey let me ask you this is there a way to make xchat respond to a trigger for example a certain string? | 21:52 |
| johnx | luke-jr, mtdutils | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: kinda complicated topic really | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you might be familiar with Zaurus NAND backups? | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | that's kinda what I want ;) | 21:52 |
| johnx | luke-jr, I never used them | 21:52 |
| Davide | and respond with a sound? whenever a string is detected? | 21:52 |
| Phoodus | I think flasher does that, look at the help | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr: if you have a long while... set up sd card booting first | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: how come you want to backup it fully anyway? | 21:53 |
| johnx | luke-jr, why are you so interested in doing a NAND backup? Nokia distributes the whole thing on their website... | 21:53 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so if I ever want to, I can restore it to exactly how I got it | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you can reverse it to factory settings by the firmware flashing, really :P | 21:54 |
| johnx | you want to keep the previous owner's files? :D | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | factory firmware != used firmware | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: no, but it is the sanest to do in this instance | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | and trust me, i have trashed my internal flash a lot :P | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: as you said, factory firmware is easy to restore | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | though, what if I brick it? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | it is very difficult to brick it | 21:54 |
| johnx | then it's bricked | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | no de-brick method? ;/ | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | and even if you did have the mtd parts, it would still be difficult to debrick | 21:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cold flashing | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't overwrite NOLO. | 21:55 |
| benson | At the moment, nobody outside Nokia knows how to cold-flash it. | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's easy to not do. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's the rule | 21:55 |
| luke-jr | :O | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, orly? | 21:55 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the definition of 'brick' is "not recoverable without hardware intervention" | 21:55 |
| luke-jr | the Zaurus had a nice secret boot menu outside flash that could restore a NAND backup | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, build yourself the appropriate serial cable and use the flasher tool. . . . | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | benson: flasher can do. details of the cable are a little sketchy | 21:56 |
| johnx | luke-jr, if you can get to that menu your zaurus was not bricked | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: upgraders never touch that menu | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: basically if you brick initfs, kernel or rootfs, you can restore them | 21:56 |
| benson | Yeah, nobody knows the cable for cold-flashing, right? or does someone? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: very easy, and we do it constantly | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, there are pinouts on a couple places on the net. | 21:56 |
| johnx | luke-jr, well, it's different on the n810, so don't interupt it when it flashes the lowest level bootloader | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | For instance: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | how do I know if I "got" extra maps? | 21:57 |
| johnx | what does that mean? | 21:57 |
| benson | O.o Maybe I'll think about overclocking then. I thought nobody knew... | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: they'd be on the internal MMC | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | the GPSstuff | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | luke: /media/mmc2 | 21:57 |
| RST38h | and go by filenames from there | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | the FAT? | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | so installing the latest firmware shouldn't touch that? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: besides that, it is very bloody difficult to screw up a flash :P | 21:58 |
| RST38h | luke: What are you talking about? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yes | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | maps/license for the GPS app | 21:58 |
| RST38h | no, upgrading firmware will not screw your /media/mmc2 | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | ok | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | how long does the firmware flash take? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | ~minute | 21:58 |
| infobot | [minute] 60 seconds. | 21:58 |
| johnx | :D | 21:58 |
| johnx | awesome macro | 21:58 |
| RST38h | ~hour | 21:59 |
| infobot | well, hour is 60 minutes or 3,600 seconds. | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | … | 21:59 |
| * johnx claps for infobot. bravo | 21:59 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~666 | 21:59 |
| infobot | i heard 666 is Steve Jobs. | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Ahhahahaha | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | ~777 | 21:59 |
| infobot | somebody said 777 was god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) | 21:59 |
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| luke-jr | so how long? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | ~test | 21:59 |
| infobot | Failed! | 21:59 |
| johnx | luke-jr, a minute | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | ok | 22:00 |
| johnx | roughly | 22:00 |
| johnx | hence ~minute | 22:00 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: That's just for srial console -- I'd got the impression cold-flashing needed a different cable? | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | same port at least | 22:00 |
| benson | Maybe I need to do some more research -- memory's fuzzy. | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, no, they're one and the same. | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | where do I find it? :x | 22:01 |
| * luke-jr stabs Google | 22:01 | |
| johnx | ~flasher | 22:01 |
| infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 22:01 |
| gnuton | Hi there | 22:01 |
| johnx | hi gnuton | 22:01 |
| gnuton | Hei johnx:D | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | gnuton: odd question, did you have to do a lot of changes to Qt to make it build on Maemo, or was it just primarily the 'hildonization' part of Qt? | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | we're considering to build it too so :P | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: i see my comments did eventually go through >.< :/ | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: builder dying? :P | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably will be :p | 22:04 |
| gnuton | Stskeeps: There are some necessary configure flags and a little patch | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | gnuton: alright | 22:04 |
| * gnuton has a stomac-ache :( | 22:05 | |
| * Stskeeps has a math-related headache. | 22:05 | |
| gnuton | Stskeeps: :D | 22:06 |
| * johnx freezes in his own apartment | 22:07 | |
| luke-jr | any simple way to find out if I have WiMax edition? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | luke: bump at the back | 22:07 |
| johnx | you don't | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | is your tablet orange-y? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: that is what laptops are for - they stay warm! =) | 22:08 |
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| luke-jr | eh? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | luke: black faceplate, black keyboard, bump on the back | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | "Make sure the battery of your tablet is fully charged." -- really required? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Sorry to ask, but can't you simply google for n810 wimax edition and look at the image? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | mmm | 22:09 |
| johnx | luke-jr, you're the one worried about bricking it, but sure go ahead and chance it... | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: yeah, its a good thing to do, but the flasher procedure doesn't start when it is in a bad state | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | what is Hacker Edition? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | you do not need it. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: 770 related | 22:09 |
| johnx | hacked up os2007/8 for the 770 | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | o | 22:09 |
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| benson | luke-jr: Once the USB connection for flashing is started, you can put it on the charger. Then the battery doesn't matter... | 22:11 |
| johnx | does it charge during flashing? | 22:11 |
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| johnx | I mean, sure it's plugged in, but ... | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <-- what I want? | 22:11 |
| johnx | yes | 22:11 |
| RST38h | How can we know what you want? | 22:12 |
| johnx | I know what he wants :) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: since your MAC matched to that firmware, then yes :P | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | erm | 22:13 |
| benson | johnx: I think so, but could be wrong. Never really thought about it... | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, the argument there is that if the power goes out or the charger cable gets removed there might be trouble. | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: there were multiple options | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | where is the source for 'flasher'? | 22:14 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it's closed source | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: closed source, but there is an open alternative, 0xFFFF | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, I doubt it, personally, but better to not risk it considering the consequences if things do go bad. . . . | 22:14 |
| johnx | nokia proprietary | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: 0xFFFF? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: but you want to use the nokia one really | 22:14 |
| johnx | unless you care about freedom | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | I don't run proprietary software on my non-tablets | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | well then you take the risk too :P | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | freedom to tinker = freedom to brick :) | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | is there really a risk? | 22:15 |
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| luke-jr | or just a disclaimer? | 22:15 |
| johnx | well, there's no risk with the nokia flasher. it's been thoroughly tested | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, because 0xFFFF may not understand correctly the diablo FW's partition data | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | (apologies to pancake if i am wrong) | 22:16 |
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| * Stskeeps uses the nokia flasher because he cares about his tablet. | 22:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The flasher will likely be open source soon enough. | 22:18 |
| * qwerty12_N800 uses it because it's official and couldn't give two shits if the source is there or not | 22:18 | |
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| luke-jr | backup is taking too long :x | 22:20 |
| johnx | we told you | 22:20 |
| johnx | here's the thread on 0xFFFF and diablo compatibility: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-December/053680.html | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | johnx: i'm using tar | 22:21 |
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| johnx | you're tar'ing up / ? | 22:22 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: rather, I mount --bind each partition to /tmp/a and tar that | 22:28 |
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| dougt | in the 2007 sdk, is liblocation suppose to have a dependency (in pkg-config) to libhildon-1? | 22:30 |
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| luke-jr | how badly will I break things if I use all the RAM? | 22:49 |
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| luke-jr | I made a 13.5 TB tmpfs.. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, even Engadget is a Tegra fanboy now. . . . | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, what is it? Is it just NVIDIA or is it their advertising? | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you will probably trigger OOM and watchdog.. | 22:50 |
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| luke-jr | fun | 22:50 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, 1080p on an arm device is somewhat impressive... | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, if the only thing you're doing is video playback. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just wondering why Tegra is enjoying this weird position. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | When it hasn't even shipped. | 22:51 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it gets not-very-technical users attention. doesn't make them fanbois...just easily impressed | 22:51 |
| johnx | it's a brand recognition thing | 22:51 |
| johnx | same idea behind ferarri (sp?) laptops | 22:52 |
| lcuk | johnx, but 1080 on a modified graphics card isnt | 22:53 |
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| johnx | lcuk, you and I know that, yes :) | 22:54 |
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| johnx | anyways | 22:54 |
| johnx | really time for sleep now | 22:54 |
| johnx | 'night | 22:54 |
| lcuk | gnite john, i just slept | 22:55 |
| lcuk | #/me has 5 minutes before it starts again | 22:55 |
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| wazd | lcuk: It's your happy day today) Titles are back... sort of :) | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | scrshots? | 23:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: makin it right now | 23:03 |
| lcuk | wazd, my happy day is when everyone gets the design that pleases them the most :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: design which could employ tricks like lcuks zooming could be interesting too | 23:03 |
| lcuk | like with your calculators, people have personal favorites - give them a quick selection of them and a way to change quickly and you just made many more people happy than just one specific fixed design | 23:04 |
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| luke-jr | wtf | 23:04 |
| wazd | These are not *mine* calculators )) | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | does Navicore really use the entire 2 GB card? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, zooming not required for the top bars, but dynamic space allocation is :) | 23:05 |
| wazd | These are TI calculators) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: entirely plausible | 23:05 |
| lcuk | wazd, you know what i mean though | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | er, luke-jr | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | (i dont own a n810. i would just copy off the files) | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | so I need to choose between GPS and storage? :/ | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | or put it on an external card | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | I have no external cards :p | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | and i dont either for the upcoming 770, so i buy :P | 23:06 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, where are you | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: USA | 23:06 |
| tonyyarusso | are there any text editors packaged for maemo that do syntax highlighting for python? (I'd prefer Gedit if that's an option.) | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | Nebraska | 23:06 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, you might be able to choose a smaller subset of maps then | 23:07 |
| lcuk | its prob got entire us on it | 23:07 |
| lcuk | my maps dont fill whole 2gb | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | Canada too | 23:07 |
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| wazd | Freedom is not good all the time | 23:09 |
| wazd | sometimes user don't know what to do | 23:09 |
| lcuk | then choose intenlligent defaults but allow some to go off piste if they desire | 23:10 |
| lcuk | anyway goin back to bed | 23:10 |
| * lcuk feels dreadful | 23:10 | |
| aquatix | aww | 23:10 |
| aquatix | sleep well lcuk | 23:11 |
| aquatix | get some good rest | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | anyone here with any htc devices? | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: suggestion.. wiki page with 1-day things a nokia developer could do, suggestions | 23:14 |
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| Stskeeps | like, "forward port N800 sound driver to newest kernel API" or "document FIASCO format" or "lockable applets" or whatever | 23:15 |
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| Stskeeps | as part of a "maemo.org rent a nokia coder for a day once a month" thing | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | / temporarily liberate | 23:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | UI stuff isn't 1-day, unfortunately. | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, was just an example | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be things that don't involve more than one department. ;) | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt we'll get many takers, unfortunately. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | as in people able (and willing) internally to take on some of those | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, I don't think we're gonna get many of those. ;) | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | true true | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe it is more likely within kernel areas | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Nokia implemented a %10 plan. | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | like google's? | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | nn | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | RTComm, - that is a framework, not UI, right_ | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:22 |
| wazd | ok, http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0902/a1/0a712e736a9f.png | 23:23 |
| wazd | Now I'll try to describe this crap) | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | i presume this is the 480x640 one :) | 23:24 |
| wazd | "Tasks" row is made for narrow screens/portrait orientations | 23:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: basicaly it can scale to any res | 23:24 |
| wazd | Taskswitcher now covers all space he has, but with "max-width of the element". In other words like desktop one | 23:25 |
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| wazd | So it hides titles if it hasn't space for them | 23:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: I really like the b/w icons | 23:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: would be nice to have a theme like this for existing hildon =) | 23:26 |
| wazd | "task" word is a button itself - shows guess what | 23:26 |
| RST38h | but the horizontal task bar really sucks =( | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: how would you be using widgets in this setting, btw? | 23:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Can I suggest something? | 23:27 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: It's Mer menu | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, kinda like home screen | 23:27 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no you cant!11 xD | 23:27 |
| RST38h | grrrhh | 23:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure | 23:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Anyways, make task bar drop down and replace the Favorites/Apps/Settings/All strip | 23:28 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I even mde Mer slightly highlited :P | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the X better not be like Windows Mobile X, as in, it minimizing, not closing.. :P | 23:28 |
| RST38h | i.e. on the left, you can either have a column of these menu icons OR a column of running task icons | 23:28 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: no, x acts as normal x :) | 23:29 |
| RST38h | this may actually work because you do not need to switch between these two bars too often | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: so, how do i minimize? :> | 23:29 |
| RST38h | once you start the apps you need, you just switch between them | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | task switcher? | 23:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: just switch to the other task) | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:29 |
| wazd | Aw I've forgot to add home icon( | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't that the mer logo? | 23:29 |
| wazd | Mer logo launches mer menu :) | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:30 |
| wazd | So | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the task switcher item with the app, if tapped and it is already on the app, could show menu too maybe | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. dunno | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i like it, btw, just trying to make some kind of constructive statement :) | 23:31 |
| wazd | Spaces between icons are adjustable. Maybe it's good to make profiles such as "portrait" or "desktop" | 23:32 |
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| wazd | RST38h: hm\ | 23:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: you mean that "two icons" taskbar or large in mermenu? | 23:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Could show what menu?) | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: application menu | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | you know, file, edit, etc | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: so the screenshot with the application menu is what comes out when you press the mer logo, i guess_ | 23:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Well, maybe, but we can't remove that dedicated button cause what will user do if the icon is hidden in overflow?) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | application menu = list of applications to launch | 23:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | and you would have 'home' as a task too | 23:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm not sure where to place it | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | is Tasks always visible? | 23:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: kind of) | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | like, even when applications are running | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 23:36 |
| wazd | So, tapping "tasks" will show you all aplications in a list (as maemo ones) | 23:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: no, I mean the horizontal task bar you have got is a bad idea | 23:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: it takes very valuable horizontal space and does not fit too many tasks anyway | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: maybe button bar with 'Tasks | Home' like on nokia phones? dunno | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | wazd: So, instead of that, remove the horizontal task bar, leave the "Tasks" button where it is, and make this button flip the left vertical bar between menu icons and task icons | 23:39 |
| wazd | And if you have multiple windows icon (like browser for example) and you click it - you will see list of windows | 23:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: too many clicks to switch I think | 23:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: yes, but think of the usage | 23:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: good idea | 23:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: You would normally start the apps you need, then switch between them | 23:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: Once you start needed apps, you no longer need the menu icons | 23:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: so, this "flip" does not happen too often in practice | 23:41 |
| wazd | Right now I'm wasting vertical space btw, not horizonal :) | 23:41 |
| RST38h | you are, correct | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: for next layout try a homescreen, with phone related widgets and other useful ones. maybe the top bar and button bar sliding up when idle | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | button=bottom | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | and reactivated with activity | 23:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh) | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | try=maybe try;) | 23:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: can I design blackjack and whores? xD | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | yessir | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | stripper widget | 23:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think in your case it's better to just get rid of that row and return to previous switcher variant (simple button in a left row, calling maemo-like list | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | multiple home screens sounds interesting too | 23:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i063.radikal.ru/0902/71/6b05384cb13e.jpg | 23:51 |
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| Stskeeps | switch from office widgets (rss feed) to bar widgets (stripper) to home widgets (slideshow of the wife and children | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Naah, the new one is really better | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | wazd: except for the awkward task switcher bar | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | wazd: the older one has the same overall task switcher problem (not enough space) but does not look as great | 23:53 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I meant just how taskswitcher icon will look in your case :) | 23:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: imagine new menu and old scheme) | 23:54 |
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| benson | tonyyarusso: you asked about editors... pygtkedit is a self-hosting text editor | 23:57 |
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