| RST38h | Sts: Why not? | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | It is friendly. | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | seemingly | 00:08 |
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| dick-richardson | I've been looking for my next computing project. I've decided on Mer. Just so I understand, when I install it, it won't be on the internal flash - or can it be? | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | not unless you want to be unable to use apt.. | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | why is that? insufficient space? | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | mmap patch for apt needee | 00:23 |
| dick-richardson | how much space does it require? I have both east and west US maps downloaded on my n810 | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | use another card.. | 00:24 |
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| dick-richardson | I can do that..or just remove the east maps | 00:24 |
| dick-richardson | how much space does it take? | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | it needs to repartition the card so its better to use an external card | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | repartitioning means everything on the card being erased | 00:26 |
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| dick-richardson | that isn't an issue, everything on the card is backed up via cron script every day | 00:27 |
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| dick-richardson | offtopic: verizon's the only cell provider in my area and I'm thinking about getting a cell phone. Any recommendations? | 00:43 |
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| tank-man | i recommend verizon since that is your only choice :) | 00:48 |
| dick-richardson | for a phone :P | 00:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's Verizon, so "one that doesn't suck" is out the window. | 00:49 |
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| dick-richardson | LOL...that's what I'm finding | 00:51 |
| tank-man | verizon uses sim cards in phones? | 00:51 |
| dick-richardson | no, cdma | 00:51 |
| dick-richardson | otherwise I'd just buy one unlocked off newegg | 00:52 |
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| dick-richardson | the omnia wouldn't be bad, but it's WinMo :/ | 00:53 |
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| GAN800 | Ugh WinMob | 00:55 |
| GAN800 | Though, marginally less crippled than other vz phones. | 00:55 |
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| dick-richardson | screw it...I'll save myself the monthly fee and keep using dialcentral/gizmo on my tablet | 00:57 |
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| Macer | just got an ice genie for my k45 | 01:23 |
| Macer | this is really turning into a sickness haha | 01:23 |
| Macer | so far i've dropped like $350 on a barebones box that is $99 | 01:25 |
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| _user | anybody gotten google gears to work on the maemo yet? | 02:04 |
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| _user | Is anyone alive, even? | 02:05 |
| tulkastaldo | in order: no and yes | 02:05 |
| _user | Meh. | 02:06 |
| * b-man has google gears installed im microb | 02:08 | |
| b-man | *in | 02:08 |
| b-man | allthough i can't remember ware i obtained it :P | 02:09 |
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| _user | So there's no progress on gears on Maemo? | 02:14 |
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| _user | Gah. | 02:19 |
| _user | I was under the (false) impression that it worked out of the box on the n810 | 02:20 |
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| _user | I see that this gears issue has been around for about 2 years | 02:25 |
| _user | crazy | 02:25 |
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| luke-jr | Meiz_n810: Diablo is N810? | 02:31 |
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| gnuton | luke-jr: yes | 02:43 |
| gnuton | luke-jr: but you can install diablo also in the n800 | 02:43 |
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| dick-richardson | how do I remove the bootmenu installed after trying mer? | 02:46 |
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| _user | If I installed Android on my n810, will it then have google gears? | 02:50 |
| * timeless looks around for testers | 02:52 | |
| timeless | _user: 'it' is ambiguous | 02:53 |
| timeless | there's actually a gears for microb floating around /somewhere/ | 02:53 |
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| timeless | however i'm not sure you'll find gears to be as helpful as you like | 02:54 |
| timeless | i suppose it depends on your personal needs | 02:54 |
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| timeless | my gears offline enabled gmail box is using 300mb of ram | 02:54 |
| dick-richardson | would it replace a stand-alone spreadsheet and word processor? | 02:54 |
| Macer | hm | 02:56 |
| Macer | in 2010 they are releasing a new dune movie | 02:56 |
| Macer | i hope it isn't like the 1984 abortion of the book | 02:56 |
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| tonyyarusso | Which setting do I use in Maemo Mapper to use the internal GPS? | 03:03 |
| tonyyarusso | (Choices: Bluetooth, File Path, GPSD Host) | 03:03 |
| jaem | GPSD should work | 03:06 |
| jaem | or you could provide the device node (/dev/pgps, I believe) | 03:06 |
| jaem | I'm not sure which is better | 03:06 |
| tonyyarusso | maybe it's just getting confused b/c I'm inside. | 03:08 |
| jaem | that would do it | 03:08 |
| tonyyarusso | Is there a community-maintained database of free WiFi access points, so I could find some and add ones I find? | 03:13 |
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| * robink lost the URL for the usbserial.ko and pl2303.ko modules for 2.6.21-omap* | 03:27 | |
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| robink | n/m, found it | 03:41 |
| robink | I'm thinking of reflashing my N810 so I get my modules.dep back. | 03:44 |
| robink | Anyone have a more elegant solution? | 03:44 |
| robink | Or even a cruder one that doesn't require reflashing the N810 | 03:45 |
| robink | s/$/\?/ | 03:45 |
| bef0rd | I believe there's an option to only flash kernel, wouldn't that fix it? | 03:45 |
| robink | Does flashing the kernel include the kernel modules? | 03:45 |
| robink | bef0rd: IIRC just flashing the kernel doesn't fix the problem. | 03:45 |
| bef0rd | ~flashing | 03:45 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:45 |
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| robink | bef0rd: That talks about how to do a complete reflashing. | 03:47 |
| bef0rd | heh, I know, I just wanted to see if it included the parameters to flasher | 03:47 |
| bef0rd | I don't have it atm | 03:48 |
| robink | bef0rd: The parameter is --flash-only=kernel. | 03:48 |
| bef0rd | If I send you that file, would it work? | 03:48 |
| robink | What file? | 03:48 |
| bef0rd | modules.dep | 03:48 |
| robink | bef0rd: Oh, yeah, it should work. | 03:48 |
| robink | bef0rd: ...provided you're also on the latest firmware. | 03:48 |
| bef0rd | ok, let me find my charger | 03:48 |
| bef0rd | mm I think so | 03:48 |
| robink | bef0rd: Thanks :-) | 03:48 |
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| bef0rd | 5.2008.43-7 | 03:52 |
| bef0rd | robink, 5.2008.43-7 | 03:52 |
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| robink | bef0rd: Wow | 03:53 |
| robink | bef0rd: I think I have that version (pushed via SSU), but I never flashed with it. | 03:53 |
| robink | bef0rd: Let's give it a try. | 03:53 |
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| bef0rd | robink, where is that file? heh | 03:58 |
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| robink | bef0rd: /lib/modules/current | 04:00 |
| bef0rd | robink, I don't have modules on /lib | 04:01 |
| robink | bef0rd: ! | 04:01 |
| robink | bef0rd: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules? | 04:01 |
| bef0rd | uhm current points to 2.6.21-omap1 | 04:03 |
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| robink | bef0rd: Yes | 04:03 |
| robink | bef0rd: Either directory is fine. | 04:03 |
| bef0rd | but there's no modules.dep there :s | 04:03 |
| bef0rd | just .ko files | 04:04 |
| robink | bef0rd: That's odd. | 04:05 |
| robink | bef0rd: Maybe you don't have a modules.dep either. | 04:05 |
| robink | bef0rd: do an lsmod, see if ipv6 is loaded. | 04:05 |
| robink | bef0rd: If it's not, you don't have a modules.dep. | 04:05 |
| bef0rd | it's not loaded | 04:06 |
| robink | wtf | 04:06 |
| robink | Nokia's no longer shipping a modules.dep with their kernels. | 04:06 |
| robink | that...sucks | 04:06 |
| robink | bef0rd: Did you get the latest firmware over SSU or by flashing? | 04:06 |
| bef0rd | maybe you can extract it from older firmware files? | 04:06 |
| robink | bef0rd: Not sure if it'd work, but I suppose it's an option. | 04:06 |
| bef0rd | I flashed it, and then applied an ssu updated | 04:07 |
| robink | Ah | 04:07 |
| robink | The SSU updates kill modules.dep. | 04:07 |
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| bef0rd | update* yea | 04:08 |
| robink | There's an SSU update for DIABLO_5.2008.43-7? | 04:09 |
| robink | I assumed it had the latest initfs and kernel. | 04:09 |
| bef0rd | well if the modules.dep is on initfs, can't you just flash initfs? | 04:10 |
| bef0rd | I think there is an option for that | 04:10 |
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| robink | bef0rd: Hm, that might work. | 04:26 |
| robink | bef0rd: I could try it, but I don't want to totally break my N810. | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | gnuton: link? | 04:27 |
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| bef0rd | robink, I don't think that'll happen, if it doesn't boot, well a full flash will fix it :P so just make a back up of your stuff first | 04:46 |
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| kevin_405 | hi | 04:46 |
| kevin_405 | anybody here | 04:46 |
| bef0rd | hola | 04:49 |
| kevin_405 | beford looking for help installing python on n800 | 04:50 |
| bef0rd | kevin_405, diablo? | 04:50 |
| kevin_405 | yes | 04:50 |
| kevin_405 | is there a later one.. | 04:50 |
| bef0rd | nop | 04:50 |
| kevin_405 | how to get python the apt-get failes on me | 04:50 |
| kevin_405 | unable to lock admin directory /var/lib/dbpkg it says | 04:51 |
| bef0rd | apt-get install python2.5 | 04:51 |
| bef0rd | You need to do it as root | 04:51 |
| kevin_405 | i did sudo gainroot | 04:52 |
| bef0rd | you need to close the app manager first | 04:52 |
| kevin_405 | i have closed it but some deamon may be running | 04:52 |
| kevin_405 | how to make sure | 04:52 |
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| bef0rd | can you install other applications? | 04:52 |
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| kevin_405 | never tried apt-get before | 04:53 |
| kevin_405 | i always use the app manager.. | 04:53 |
| kevin_405 | on this device.. | 04:53 |
| kevin_405 | Do u know the name of the deamon may be i can kill it | 04:53 |
| bef0rd | kevin_405, wait, your device is on RD mode? | 04:53 |
| bef0rd | if it's not, sudo gainroot does nothing | 04:53 |
| kevin_405 | yes | 04:53 |
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| bef0rd | could you show me the whole output of apt-get install python2.5-runtime | 04:54 |
| kevin_405 | apt-get update also fails | 04:55 |
| bef0rd | type 'id' | 04:55 |
| kevin_405 | 13 permission denied | 04:55 |
| kevin_405 | could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/list/lock - open | 04:56 |
| bef0rd | output of "id", no quotes | 04:56 |
| kevin_405 | What is id i dont understand | 04:56 |
| bef0rd | type id on the term | 04:56 |
| bef0rd | x-term | 04:56 |
| bef0rd | terminal | 04:57 |
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| kevin_405 | uid 29999 gid 29999 | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | You are not root yet | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | that's why apt-get fails | 04:57 |
| kevin_405 | is there a password for root | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | No, the easier method to get root is | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | ~rootsh | 04:57 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 04:57 |
| kevin_405 | i have xterm | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | follow this guide http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | install rootsh | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | then try: | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | $ root | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | # apt-get install python2.5-runtime | 04:58 |
| kevin_405 | ok | 04:59 |
| bef0rd | (you don't need to type the $ or # symbols, those appear on the prompt already) | 04:59 |
| bef0rd | brb | 05:00 |
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| kevin_405 | great | 05:01 |
| kevin_405 | trying | 05:01 |
| kevin_405 | stuck on waithing for headers | 05:03 |
| kevin_405 | ok downloading now | 05:03 |
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| kevin_405 | somebody should update the pymaemo website | 05:04 |
| kevin_405 | great got it to work | 05:07 |
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| kevin_405 | u rock beford | 05:13 |
| kevin_405 | GTG | 05:13 |
| kevin_405 | i got my sdict-viewer to work | 05:13 |
| kevin_405 | Just wat i was looking for | 05:13 |
| kevin_405 | thx | 05:13 |
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| dphil314 | finally got maemo sdk installed | 05:14 |
| dphil314 | lots of dns weirdness | 05:14 |
| robink | bef0rd: OK. | 05:15 |
| dphil314 | don't like the way it load balances to various ip's, then failed the entire install on the first timeout without any retries | 05:15 |
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| tonyyarusso | How can I get keys like Alt on my n810? | 05:19 |
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| timeless | so, anyone here using my 0.1.2pre strings and have feedback? | 05:50 |
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| timeless | err | 05:53 |
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| jaem | we're all doomed | 06:41 |
| jaem | the US has cyborg spy beetles in the works | 06:41 |
| jaem | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22039/?a=f | 06:41 |
| fireun | that fly | 06:41 |
| jaem | I want one :P | 06:41 |
| jaem | and yes | 06:41 |
| jaem | and they can carry cameras | 06:41 |
| jaem | I wonder how they're price compares with a decent R/C helicopter... | 06:42 |
| jaem | s/they're/their/ | 06:42 |
| infobot | jaem meant: I wonder how their price compares with a decent R/C helicopter... | 06:42 |
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| sandman | Anyone here have experience with Android running on the Nokia n810? | 06:45 |
| soap | #NITdroid | 06:47 |
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| timeless | i'm pretty sure it isn't #maemo :). but yes people have mentioned it. personally i don't feel it's topical | 06:54 |
| tonyyarusso | How can I do an Alt key on my N810? | 06:58 |
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| sandman | Does anyone know if it's true that Android on the n810 doesn't have sound? | 08:38 |
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| tonyyarusso | can i make apps installl to the removable memory? i'm running out of oom. | 08:40 |
| tonyyarusso | room | 08:40 |
| Meizirkki | sandman, android doesn't have sound (yet) | 08:40 |
| Meizirkki | there's close source components needed for that | 08:41 |
| sandman | I see. | 08:41 |
| sandman | And those cannot be acquired for the n810? | 08:42 |
| sandman | Well, it's just sad, anyway. It would seem that the iPhone has multitouch, also, whereas the G1 does not. This is due to some patent BS, from what I understand | 08:42 |
| sandman | Which pisses me off. But oh well. | 08:42 |
| timeless | could you possibly be pissed somewhere else? | 08:43 |
| timeless | we only support drunken pissers | 08:43 |
| timeless | all other kinds are respectfully asked to piss off :) | 08:43 |
| sandman | Har har har. | 08:48 |
| sandman | I just don't like the idea of selling out by purchasing an iPod Touch 32GiB. It is just too damn nice | 08:48 |
| sandman | But I'll probably start work immediately on somehow getting Android on it =) | 08:49 |
| timeless | unless you're planning on running maemo/mer on your gphone or ipod, the discussion is fairly off topic | 08:49 |
| * timeless gets pissed | 08:49 | |
| sandman | The Apple iPod Touch hardware is so lovely. Particularly just the design of the thing. It reeks of usefulness. But the software on it is balls, imho. | 08:49 |
| sandman | Oh, right. I forgot which channel I was in | 08:49 |
| RST38h | Shiny! Shiny! | 08:49 |
| sandman | I thought I was in #android lol | 08:49 |
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| timeless | please look before pissing | 08:50 |
| sandman | timeless: I'll remember that. | 08:50 |
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| Addison | Greetings all! :) | 09:45 |
| udovdh | hello | 09:46 |
| udovdh | on tablettalk I read about power saving issues for the n810 | 09:46 |
| udovdh | related to wifi | 09:46 |
| Addison | Hi name that's unpronouncable! :) | 09:46 |
| udovdh | are these fixed? | 09:46 |
| udovdh | me? | 09:46 |
| udovdh | first name udo | 09:46 |
| udovdh | rest is surname | 09:46 |
| udovdh | abbreviated of course | 09:46 |
| Addison | I'm trying to say your name out loud right now, and I'm coming up empty. :( | 09:47 |
| udovdh | udo? you must be english-speaking then? | 09:47 |
| udovdh | think of judo | 09:47 |
| Addison | How does one say it phenotically (sp?)? | 09:47 |
| udovdh | without the 'j' | 09:47 |
| udovdh | the dutch 'u' is different from the english 'u' | 09:47 |
| udovdh | I don't think english has that u | 09:48 |
| Addison | Okay, got that part, now how about the "vdh"? | 09:48 |
| udovdh | short for `van den heuvel` | 09:48 |
| Addison | Dah? | 09:48 |
| udovdh | that's my surname | 09:48 |
| udovdh | means something like | 09:48 |
| udovdh | `from the hill` | 09:49 |
| udovdh | but what about the n810 power saving? | 09:49 |
| udovdh | suspending? | 09:49 |
| udovdh | etc? | 09:49 |
| Addison | That wasn't my post. | 09:50 |
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| Addison | I only post stupid questions that people typically ignore. *lol* | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | udovdh, what "issues"? | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | See: | 09:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~wifi-psm | 09:54 |
| infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 09:54 |
| udovdh | GeneralAntilles, about wifi using up power is what i read yesterday | 09:54 |
| udovdh | and now about suspend not working well? | 09:54 |
| udovdh | let me first see that wiki | 09:54 |
| udovdh | empty article? | 09:54 |
| Addison | Qwerty! How's my favorite big brained intellectual doing tonight? | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | udovdh, your client didn't handle the URL properly | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Close the parens at the end | 09:55 |
| udovdh | ah....! thanks | 09:56 |
| udovdh | hadnt noticed | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I put a redirect in there anyway. . . . | 09:56 |
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| arty_name | Hello. Where can I download key of repository.maemo.org? | 09:57 |
| arty_name | To feed it to apt-key... | 09:58 |
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| udovdh | then the suspending: | 10:00 |
| udovdh | is that working as bad as I read or is there a recent fix? | 10:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | udovdh, how can you fix something that isn't broken? | 10:01 |
| udovdh | GeneralAntilles, I read about suspend combined with watchdog not working well | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, suspend to RAM/disk. | 10:02 |
| udovdh | I am still discovering the device so I am reading a lot | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody has a setup that'll frob the watchdog to keep it up. | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, I haven't played with any of it myself. | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ideally, you shouldn't need to suspend at all. | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | These aren't x86 devices, and they use practically no power when idle. | 10:03 |
| RST38h | reMoo | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | So as long as you don't have something eating CPU in the background, idle is as good as suspended. | 10:03 |
| RST38h | General: In a way, OMAP2 *is* suspended most of the time | 10:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, right. | 10:04 |
| RST38h | The problem with x86 is that due to its historical heritage (platform included), the current x86 designs can't be quickly suspended and unsuspended | 10:04 |
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| RST38h | While simpler ARM designs made with battery power in mind do this fairly quickly (milliseconds) | 10:05 |
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| Traveler4 | ? | 10:07 |
| Traveler4 | Traveler4 is bunanson | 10:08 |
| Traveler4 | Addison, are you there? | 10:08 |
| Traveler4 | ? | 10:08 |
| Addison | Bunason! Heya! | 10:09 |
| Addison | I really was hoping you would show! :D | 10:09 |
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| Addison | Did you get my private message Traveler4? | 10:11 |
| Traveler4 | oh yet | 10:13 |
| Traveler4 | i thought you were gone | 10:13 |
| Traveler4 | hows life? | 10:13 |
| Addison | Life's been treating me like a baby treats a diaper. *lol* How about you? | 10:13 |
| Addison | Hey first and foremost, I'm really curious about what your profession is. | 10:14 |
| Traveler4 | well, i guess i am alright compare to a lot of other people, not much complaint | 10:14 |
| Traveler4 | I am a practicing doctor | 10:14 |
| Traveler4 | does that help? | 10:14 |
| Traveler4 | what are you doing at 3 am in the morning | 10:15 |
| timelE61i | gAn: so, jx doesn't like my ham install package?- warnings | 10:18 |
| Addison | Hey, sorry for the long pause. Had to go grab a few beers. Yeah, I'm that excited to hear from you! :) | 10:18 |
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| Addison | Anyway, can we take this to a private chat? Do you know how that works? | 10:18 |
| Traveler4 | not quite sure | 10:19 |
| Addison | Are you on java.freenode.net? | 10:19 |
| Traveler4 | yup | 10:19 |
| Addison | Scroll down, you should see something in red. | 10:19 |
| Traveler4 | there is a pub and priv, i guess click the priv? right? | 10:19 |
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| RST38h | ...multiple US Army laptops making their way out to unsanctioned trading posts in Pakistan... | 10:31 |
| RST38h | 100 more years - and Pakistanis will even learn how to counterfeit these =) | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 10:35 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | wb johnx | 10:44 |
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| johnx_ | hey Stskeeps | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | moo, johnx, Sts qwerty | 10:45 |
| * johnx_ stabs his Xfbdev build | 10:45 | |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 10:46 |
| johnx_ | it linked against libts but isnt actually using it :/ | 10:46 |
| StsN800 | mm | 10:46 |
| StsN800 | was kb detection added btw? | 10:46 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk2, if around, the reason Meiz got "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory" is because your postinst is in dos format | 10:46 |
| johnx_ | not yet :( | 10:46 |
| StsN800 | i need to fix xkbdata as well before generating anyway | 10:47 |
| johnx_ | I'm at work right now. I'll try to take a look at it | 10:47 |
| * lcuk2 has just woke up and is reading stuff, thanks qwerty i hadnt realised it had been through windows | 10:47 | |
| lcuk2 | but there are other extra files which need adding as well | 10:48 |
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| lcuk2 | i'll start with a clean debian folder next time :) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: what does lshal | grep keyboard say on your tablet? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 10:49 |
| * johnx_ installs HAL on the zaurus | 10:50 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: maemo or Mer | 10:52 |
| Meizirkki | ? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | both if possible | 10:52 |
| johnx_ | if it turns up no results could you pastebin the result of lshal? | 10:53 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 10:54 |
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| johnx_ | thanks :) | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: think we will postpone 0.8 till tomorrow evening, i tested image earlier - its fantastic but xkb and keyboard_avaliable would make it a good release | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | (enter doesnt work in n8x0 osso xterm atm) | 10:55 |
| Meizirkki | http://pastebin.com/m7da4305a | 10:57 |
| Meizirkki | maemo ^ | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 10:57 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps: thanks. :) been kinda swamped in real life last couple days | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: similar | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't been at my laptop to close to 24h | 10:58 |
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| johnx_ | I've been at my computer a bit but my mind has been elsewhere... | 11:00 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: in Mer: http://pastebin.com/m41b0ea95 | 11:06 |
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| StsN800 | ok, and you did not add a fdi file right? | 11:09 |
| Meizirkki | fdi file? | 11:10 |
| Meizirkki | the enter thing isn't enabled | 11:11 |
| johnx_ | hmm...something like lshal | grep -i info.product: | grep -i keyboard | 11:13 |
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| timeless | sts: so... i could probably get you 0.1.2 such that you could pull it into 0.8 | 11:13 |
| johnx_ | s/-i// | 11:13 |
| infobot | johnx_ meant: hmm...something like lshal | grep info.product: | grep -i keyboard | 11:13 |
| timeless | if you don't mind a couple of rough edges | 11:14 |
| * timeless is still trying to figure out what to do about something | 11:15 | |
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| Meizirkki | johnx: lshal | grep info.product: | grep -i keyboard gives no output | 11:16 |
| Meizirkki | in Mer | 11:16 |
| johnx_ | ah... nice catch | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i'll add in the beginnings of 0.9 if it's alright, i have already tested most areas so | 11:17 |
| johnx_ | a : snuck in | 11:17 |
| timeless | ok | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, i need coffee | 11:17 |
| timeless | johnx/sts/gan/jaffa: so... | 11:17 |
| timeless | jx, my primary customer has complained about the install warning | 11:18 |
| timeless | he thinks that my string losses too much of the disclaimer | 11:18 |
| timeless | i'm looking for additional opinions | 11:18 |
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| timeless | he claims that a lawyer probably forced the text upon nokia, and therefore i shouldn't just do away w/ its spirit | 11:18 |
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| johnx_ | timeless: yeah. i kinda figured that would be an issue | 11:18 |
| timeless | well, i'm not under contract to do this work | 11:19 |
| timeless | so i'm not required to translate it to that letter | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand if it is a 'replacement' string set.. | 11:19 |
| timeless | if the text is used in Mer | 11:19 |
| timeless | or on any device which isn't Nokia issue | 11:19 |
| timeless | it's hard to claim that it makes any sense | 11:19 |
| johnx_ | well still. i think it should be clear the warning is from Nokia not from the person who releases the app | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i occasionally wonder why the GPL isn't flashed in people's eyes more often | 11:20 |
| timeless | sts: i often wonder why it is flashed where it is flashed | 11:20 |
| johnx_ | the way ff3 does it makes sense to me | 11:20 |
| timeless | a lot of windows installers flash it | 11:20 |
| timeless | which is stupid | 11:20 |
| johnx_ | more info banner than click through | 11:20 |
| timeless | johnx: the infobar? | 11:20 |
| timeless | yeah, it's so much better than the other ways | 11:20 |
| timeless | anyway | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i'm going to patch xkb-data, and Provides: xkbdata btw | 11:20 |
| timeless | thanks thanks! | 11:21 |
| johnx_ | glad ubuntu and ff guys could agree on that | 11:21 |
| timeless | can you fix libsdl* too? | 11:21 |
| * timeless kicks all of libsdl | 11:21 | |
| johnx_ | what needs to be fixed about it? | 11:21 |
| timeless | oh, and can you make galago provide libgalago-common? | 11:21 |
| timeless | all of these are conflicts between ubuntu/debian and maemo | 11:21 |
| timeless | making it really painful to install stuff | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: that will be longer though :P xkbdata i am touching right now. but - we have enabled Maemo extras per standard in 0.8 | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | so people can tell us what things wont install and why | 11:22 |
| johnx_ | O_o | 11:22 |
| johnx_ | wow | 11:22 |
| timeless | the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-d | 11:22 |
| johnx_ | that's a big step | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: it scaringily works most of the time | 11:22 |
| timeless | those conflict w/ libnspr4/libnss3 | 11:22 |
| timeless | err | 11:22 |
| timeless | the other ones to deal w/ are libnsp4-0d/libnss3-1d | 11:22 |
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| timeless | that prevents microb from coexisting w/ fennec/thunderbird | 11:23 |
| timeless | which is annoying | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: actually i should have asked qwerty12 to make it an 'disabled' repository, but hey, we might as well try this out and see how much of the apocalypse it brings closer :P | 11:23 |
| johnx_ | heh | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: ATI85 works, for instance. | 11:24 |
| johnx_ | people won't be able to ask what they should do with mer at least :> | 11:24 |
| timeless | sts: i could give you a dump of my installed packages if you're curious :) | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, i actually am | 11:24 |
| timeless | alright, lemme see if backup works :) | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if you want it disabled, I can update the package. | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: nah, i think this is a good idea really | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | it will force people who try out mer and at same time develop, to fix their packages to support mer | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:25 |
| timeless | ooh, Backup | 11:25 |
| timeless | Welcome to backup, create a backup | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god | 11:25 |
| * timeless cries | 11:25 | |
| timeless | XXX | 11:25 |
| * timeless goes to get a vpn to fix | 11:26 | |
| timeless | No memory cards available | 11:26 |
| timeless | sts/qwerty: how do i convince Backup i have a memory card? :) | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | I'd bet my balls that the mountpoints are hardcoded and the home directory is hard coded | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, mount something in /media/mmc2? :> | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: bizarre occourence the other day.. plugged in my cellphone which can charge through usb.. | 11:26 |
| timeless | qwerty: from vmware? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | loopback? | 11:27 |
| johnx_ | timeless: mount -o bind /tmp /media/mmc1 | 11:27 |
| johnx_ | see what breaks :> | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-huh.png | 11:27 |
| timeless | wired network, eh? | 11:28 |
| timeless | well, i suppose usb is a wire | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i am confident i would get same result if i plugged it in through usb host on n8x0 :P | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | (this was on mertop) | 11:28 |
| timeless | john: mount complains: | 11:29 |
| timeless | mount: can't find /tmp/media | 11:29 |
| timeless | oh brother | 11:29 |
| timeless | ok | 11:29 |
| * johnx_ loads the page on his n800 | 11:29 | |
| timeless | mount didn't complain when i didn't typo | 11:29 |
| timeless | it doesn't help though | 11:29 |
| timeless | all well behaved maemo apps listen to HAL | 11:29 |
| johnx_ | hmm.../tmp isnt necessarily the best place... | 11:30 |
| timeless | so the question is how does one tell HAL to lie about device presence? | 11:30 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps: O_o ... and it just worked? | 11:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: yeah, oob | 11:31 |
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| johnx_ | madness | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: btw, xkb-data doesn't seem to Conflicts: with xkbdata, - is it xkbdata that conflicts with xkb-data? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | (other way around) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: on the other hand it is how it ought to be. | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | except i would have liked my phone to ask if it should charge, act as mass storage, or phone mode :P | 11:33 |
| timeless | which thing would i need to check? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: dpkg -s xkbdata i think | 11:33 |
| timeless | -s shows my Dummy package :) | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll just conflicts/replaces/provides it in xkb-data | 11:33 |
| timeless | but part of the problem is they have the same files | 11:34 |
| timeless | sounds good | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, charging can be disabled/enabled in service menu and if the phone was booted by you then you should get the option :/ | 11:34 |
| timeless | i think xkbdata turned out to be less painful than some of the others | 11:34 |
| timeless | sdl is still preventing me from using a large portion of the platform | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: oh, i just wanted it to charge | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: not provide a internet conn :P | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | ah :) | 11:35 |
| * timeless figured | 11:35 | |
| * timeless puzzles | 11:36 | |
| timeless | why isn't Crash Reporter enabled? | 11:36 |
| timeless | oh brother | 11:36 |
| timeless | "Please insert Memory card" | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | NITRO wants CAL | 11:36 |
| * timeless kicks eero and team | 11:37 | |
| * lcuk shakes head | 11:37 | |
| timeless | qwerty: really? | 11:37 |
| lcuk | that Stskeeps has a dirty mind | 11:37 |
| timeless | they also can't spell OK | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, yep, when my version information messed up in cal, I saw it in my syslog that nitro was refusing to start | 11:37 |
| * timeless wonders how it can be so hard to spell a two letter version | 11:37 | |
| timeless | s/version/word/ | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a hint. :P | 11:38 |
| johnx_ | timeless: 1 in 26^2 | 11:38 |
| timeless | oh brother | 11:38 |
| timeless | so nitro is eating my cores? | 11:39 |
| timeless | and it doesn't work!? | 11:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did it ever get a server to report to? | 11:39 |
| timeless | nitro always uses an external server | 11:39 |
| timeless | amusingly enough | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, yep, the password for it can be found in ~ ... | 11:40 |
| timeless | w/ a 1 hour pull poll | 11:40 |
| timeless | the directory isn't (or shouldn't be) browsable | 11:40 |
| timeless | and it refuses double writes | 11:40 |
| timeless | internally we've hit the double write issue a bunch of times | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | It isn't, I've got the message that GET isn't allowed when I've logged in | 11:40 |
| timeless | so um | 11:41 |
| timeless | right | 11:41 |
| timeless | what aprt of nitro is stomping on my core_pattern? | 11:41 |
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| timeless | /etc/init.d/rich-core | 11:42 |
| johnx_ | anyways, back to work. will be on again when I get home and I'll get this keyboard stuff sorted. | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 11:46 |
| timeless | cool | 11:47 |
| timeless | i can crash Nitro's CPL :) | 11:47 |
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| * timeless is special | 11:47 | |
| qwerty12 | I can crash the control panel by having an incomplete desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel :) | 11:47 |
| lcuk | qwerty, im sure lots of things crash if you have incomplete setups. try removing half of the real car driver and see if he crashes ;) | 11:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: depends on which half we remove | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | I'll leave that experiment to you odd northerners ;P | 11:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: lots of things, like genitalia, are unnecessary and even detrimental to the task | 11:50 |
| lcuk | it depends as much on which part we remove and how long its been missing for | 11:50 |
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| lcuk | if i chopped your legs off whilst you were driving you would probably crash, but if you had no legs to begin with and a specially adapted car then maybe | 11:50 |
| RST38h | but anyways, config file parser should not crash or let application crash | 11:51 |
| lcuk | agreed | 11:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: So, file a bugzilla report =) | 11:51 |
| timeless | i filed a bug report on kdevelop :) | 11:51 |
| * timeless wonders if they fixed it | 11:51 | |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, Yeah, you're right :). I'll make another desktop file later and test in diablo & mer :) | 11:51 |
| timeless | qwerty: so ... help? | 11:57 |
| timeless | how does one lie w/ hal? | 11:57 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, sorry :/ | 11:57 |
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| wazd | hola everybody :) | 12:00 |
| qwerty12 | hi wazd | 12:00 |
| wazd | let's hack on Freetunner UI today) | 12:00 |
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| timeless | hey, i'm confused | 12:03 |
| timeless | anyone here have a diablo n800/n810? | 12:03 |
| timeless | (w/ the official english) | 12:03 |
| timeless | oh nice | 12:04 |
| timeless | so, what would you expect to have happen if you clicked [Backup]Backup>Delete, and the item was disabled? | 12:04 |
| timeless | (a) no backup selected | 12:04 |
| timeless | (b) no backups to delete | 12:05 |
| timeless | (c) No memory cards available | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe, good luck :) | 12:08 |
| timeless | so, no one wants to guess? :) | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: normally no backups to delete | 12:09 |
| timeless | sts: normally. does that mean that you're willing to guess some other answer for context Nokia/Maemo/Diablo? :) | 12:12 |
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| timeless | so um | 12:16 |
| * timeless wants someone who knows how to speak hal | 12:16 | |
| timeless | possible w/ python | 12:16 |
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| timeless | oh brother | 12:17 |
| timeless | 'Forward' | 12:17 |
| timeless | wow! | 12:17 |
| timeless | bluetooth works in Mer-vmware | 12:18 |
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| timeless | eh | 12:20 |
| timeless | USB mode is not writable | 12:20 |
| * timeless wonders what that means | 12:20 | |
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| * timeless frowns | 12:21 | |
| timeless | "Not allowed" is such a rude message | 12:22 |
| aquatix | ``You do no exist, go away'' is better | 12:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, there's no expletive in that | 12:27 |
| timeless | 'no' is an amusing typo | 12:28 |
| timeless | 'did you mean know' | 12:28 |
| timeless | (you meant not, but....) | 12:28 |
| aquatix | *not | 12:28 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:28 |
| timeless | they didn't assume virus scanners would be evil | 12:29 |
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| timeless | virus scanners being evil almost certainly came later | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Theme cruise ships have bikers, nudity and a whole lot more | 12:30 |
| timeless | oops,, wrong window | 12:30 |
| timeless | rst: eh? | 12:30 |
| timeless | http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/travel/2009/02/15/2009-02-15_theme_cruise_ships_have_bikers_nudity_an.html | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | On a motorcycle cruise, you can explore exotic destinations without the hassle of shipping your bike or renting someone else's | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Actually makes sense, surprising | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hum, so I suppose I should wait to blog until tomorrow then? | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: er, yeah, if you have anything in queue - there's just some tiny bugs that would be nice to fix as the rest seems quite nice | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | anything mer-related that is | 12:46 |
| * Stskeeps has been very preoccupied with family stuff this week sadly | 12:46 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, family is much more important than your hacking time. get them a n8x0 each and let them help build your barn together ;) | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, I have <h3>Mer</h3>. ;) | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i think me and my brothers working on anything together will, probably, result in the apocalypse | 12:57 |
| lcuk | haha, wheres your amish spirit boy! | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | it is the inverse amish spirit | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: shouldn't be a need for dummy package now | 13:01 |
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| timeless | thanks :) | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | sometimes i really really wonder about people reporting bugs | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | 'i want the hardware keyboard (german layout) to work correctly again in Maemo. The installation of Mer f..ed up the settings for Maemo, too.' | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder how that can happen | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | we don't even touch rootfs in Mer :P | 13:06 |
| timeless | i wonder what it means :) | 13:06 |
| * qwerty12 offers Stskeeps a placebo pill to give to the reporter | 13:07 | |
| Stskeeps | cyanide works better.. | 13:08 |
| RST38h | General: Here? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you in a packaging mood? | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h? | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, sorry, I'm already packaging atm | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alrightie | 13:12 |
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| * GeneralAntilles mumbles about focus bugs. | 13:12 | |
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| * Stskeeps really need a usb keyboard for his tablet. | 13:13 | |
| Stskeeps | for those moments where laptop is out of reach | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, are the TI-89/TI-92s feasible to emulate? | 13:14 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: bt keyboard not an option? | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it seems that this package takes long because compiling is long :/. What do you want me to do? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: nm, i got started on it :) | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | cool :) | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3887946599.html <- and why does the pandora take that long time shipping then | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | Pandora is a elaborate con | 13:26 |
| timeless | s/ a / an / | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | yessir | 13:27 |
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| RST38h | General: They are, but I am unlikely to get to them | 13:28 |
| RST38h | General: Had a question about your earlier comment on Maemo-name-whatever | 13:29 |
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| RST38h | General: I *think* I am already defining the full desktop name in the config files. Is it something else? | 13:29 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Probably not. When you con people, your first concern is how to get away with it, hence low profile and low footprint on reality | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, it goes in your debian/control | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, s/a elaborate con/bullshit/ :) | 13:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ah | 13:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: could you give me an example of that control line? | 13:31 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, here's one I'm doing now: http://pastebin.com/d1a48f59e - look at the last line. Because Maemo-Display-Name isn't an official debian field, you have to have [XSBC-] in front of Maemo-Display-Name or dh_gencontrol will not include that field in your final deb file. I'm using XB which means that it'll be included in my resulting deb file only | 13:33 |
| RST38h | found it | 13:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, when can I talk you into fleshing out this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging | 13:35 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I tried but I don't know what I can include there as the links pretty much describe everything :) | 13:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, maybe more specific examples for the Maemo specific fields? | 13:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, that sounds good | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Appropriate use of selection menu location, too. | 13:39 |
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| wazd | Aw, poor Bjorndalen ((( | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: btw, debmaster role - service function (ask question, get answer) or pointing out flaws continually in packaging, repository behaviour, etc? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | (think timeless type person in terms of packaging for the latter, not translations) ;) | 14:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Both | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Providing help for people who ask | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seeking to help people who don't | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Working on infrastructure stuff like the autobuilder. | 14:14 |
| timeless | gan? | 14:15 |
| timeless | one fihs, two fish, red fish, blue fish | 14:15 |
| timeless | s/hs/sh/ | 14:15 |
| infobot | timeless meant: one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish | 14:15 |
| timeless | one lark, two larks | 14:16 |
| timeless | one fox, two foxes | 14:16 |
| timeless | one input, two ....? | 14:16 |
| timeless | actually, the real string involves mass nouns, not countables | 14:16 |
| timeless | <foopy's> behavior for handling unknown characters | 14:16 |
| timeless | while transcoding user | 14:16 |
| timeless | _________. | 14:17 |
| timeless | input | inputs | 14:17 |
| timeless | ? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: alright, ta | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, hildon application launcher doesn't really support stuff like %u and %f in .desktop files does it? | 14:19 |
| timeless | heh | 14:19 |
| timeless | %u doesn't work in general | 14:19 |
| timeless | people should forget it exists :) | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, firefox uses it it seems :P | 14:19 |
| timeless | for the average case, a web browser will never decide to pass %u to something | 14:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if you leave it in there, hildon-desktop just passes on %u and %f. It's up to the launched application if it ignore it or if it spits out a error saying " %u could not be found" | 14:20 |
| qwerty12 | s/ignore/ignores | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 14:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, what was that about h-a-m and incompatible application package? | 14:28 |
| timeless | um | 14:28 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:28 | |
| timeless | got any more context? | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the l10n stuff | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | "jx" was complaining? | 14:28 |
| timeless | i'm currently rewriting hg help | 14:28 |
| timeless | oh right | 14:28 |
| timeless | he didn't like the Nokia disclaimer messages | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who does? | 14:29 |
| johnx | is jx me or someone else who didn't like it? | 14:29 |
| timeless | jx is jX, not you | 14:29 |
| timeless | and he didn't like my string | 14:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles notices he hasn't emptied his trash in a while . . . recovers 20GB. | 14:30 | |
| timeless | feeling there was probably a reason that nokia's lawyers forced the official string | 14:30 |
| timeless | 20? | 14:30 |
| timeless | how large is your disk? | 14:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, which one(s)? | 14:31 |
| timeless | well, let's see | 14:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | My boot "disk" is a 600GB RAID 0 | 14:31 |
| timeless | my laptop is 55g (3g free) | 14:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't do laptops. | 14:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got about 2.4TB of storage on this machine. | 14:32 |
| timeless | heck, konigsberg which hosts one of my mxr's has 90gb | 14:33 |
| timeless | and i ran it out of spacec a few days ago | 14:33 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, so why bothered about a whole 20gb? | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would there be an advantage to hosting maemo.org's MXR on maemo.org? | 14:33 |
| timeless | swift has ~300-400gb iirc, and it has ~50gb free and owes someone another 100 | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because it's mostly full. :P | 14:33 |
| timeless | gan: no :) | 14:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:33 |
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| timeless | dh hosts mxr.maemo.org | 14:34 |
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| timeless | konigsberg is for mozilla stuff | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | When do we get Fremantle? | 14:34 |
| timeless | when i'm not sick for 3 days in a row | 14:34 |
| timeless | atm we're in the middle of setting up another box | 14:34 |
| timeless | but i was sick thursday+friday | 14:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles hands timeless a steamy bowl of chicken soup. | 14:34 | |
| timeless | kosher w/ matzo balls? | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, why not? | 14:35 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 14:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, gnuton. | 14:35 |
| lcuk | timeless, why didn't your virus checker block it? :D (i was just as bad, had man-flu :S) | 14:35 |
| gnuton | Hei GeneralAntilles:D | 14:35 |
| timeless | my systems haven't been working for months | 14:36 |
| timeless | and finnish doctors are useless | 14:36 |
| lbt | lcuk: hey... my turn :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU | 14:36 |
| gnuton | I was going to have a walk this morning... There is beautiful sun here in helsinki today... but I'm still here :( | 14:37 |
| lbt | not in your class smoothness wise - but easy to add to Qt apps... | 14:37 |
| lcuk | very nice lbt :) | 14:39 |
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| * lcuk likes whats left mode | 14:39 | |
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| lbt | It needs a fanfare when the last item vanishes... | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | lol, i can see the funny looks already when you are walking round | 14:42 |
| lcuk | lbt, a proper animation like when you go bowling and they put one on for a strike | 14:43 |
| lcuk | let the users design custom anims : | 14:43 |
| lcuk | D) | 14:43 |
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| lbt | mmm - ringtones too | 14:44 |
| lbt | or messages from SWMBO .... "Right you're done - now get home and tidy up" | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two- or three-column lists would be nice. | 14:45 |
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| lbt | GA ? | 14:45 |
| lbt | it has a column to the right which is empty - for ad-hoc notes | 14:46 |
| lbt | like "get 2" or "orang pack" | 14:46 |
| lbt | orange | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, I don't use the notes column. | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have that used for another column of notes. | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less scrolling | 14:46 |
| lbt | fair enough... | 14:47 |
| lbt | I like that as an option | 14:47 |
| lbt | do you have the XRandR extension? | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bundled since Diablo. | 14:47 |
| lbt | the gtk version has a button that makes it go landscape | 14:47 |
| lbt | really? | 14:48 |
| lbt | hmm my RandR detection code is bust ;) | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:48 |
| lbt | there *should* be a button that only appears on RandR enabled machines | 14:49 |
| lcuk | what if the user changes orientation outside the app | 14:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | steal adv-backlight's code :p | 14:49 |
| lbt | if (XRRQueryExtension (dpy, &xrr_event_base, &xrr_error_base) == false | 14:49 |
| * lcuk fails at this himself so its to both of us ;) | 14:49 | |
| lbt | Qt has events for external size changes | 14:50 |
| lbt | so long as you are packed and not pixel placed then you're fine | 14:50 |
| * lcuk uses a combination of both | 14:51 | |
| lbt | in general the nested container approach is very flexible - pixels hurt | 14:52 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:53 | |
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| StsN800 | lo b-man | 16:47 |
| b-man | hay StsN800 :) | 16:49 |
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| * RST38h yawns widely | 17:04 | |
| johnx | so how's the weather over there? | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | -1..+1, wet snow | 17:06 |
| RST38h | lots of it though, looks pretty | 17:06 |
| johnx | eep. just turned to spring here it appears | 17:06 |
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| Macer | i wish it were spring here | 17:06 |
| johnx | given the temperature now I'm betting it will be a record breaking summer | 17:06 |
| Macer | it's 19 degrees now | 17:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: I have heard .jp summer is already as hot and humid as it gets? | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Macer: oF or oC? | 17:07 |
| Macer | hm. my esxi box is xfering at 60MB/s | 17:07 |
| Macer | F | 17:07 |
| wazd | we have fricking bunch of snow )) | 17:07 |
| wazd | I wonder where's my car now) | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Macer: That is -7oC, pretty decent | 17:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: You will find it tomorrow, unless it sinks =) | 17:08 |
| johnx | RST38h, kanto (Tokyo, Yokohama, etc) area summer is pretty similar to Virginia/Washington DC | 17:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: yeeek. | 17:08 |
| johnx | but it looks like I spoke too soon. Weather forecast says it'll be back down to 0c (!!) again by the end of the week | 17:09 |
| b-man | 26 F and sunny here :) | 17:09 |
| * RST38h absolutely, positively, definitely hates DC summer. Winter too, but to a lesser degree. | 17:09 | |
| * wazd wants to crate a topic on ITT named "Aerobus A100 vs n810" | 17:09 | |
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| johnx | Warthog A10 vs N800? | 17:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: Oh, please do, in "Competition" forum! | 17:10 |
| johnx | mmm...steak fajita vs N800 | 17:10 |
| wazd | Boeing finishing works on it's brand new 897 model. Beware, Nokia! | 17:10 |
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| Mace_ | wtf | 17:11 |
| RST38h | We had just about anything else in Competition by now | 17:11 |
| Mace_ | that keeps happening and it's starting to piss me off | 17:11 |
| StsN800 | or the most difficult one.. bacon vs tablet | 17:11 |
| RST38h | iphones, netbooks, nameless chinese mids, you name it | 17:11 |
| johnx | if Nokia doesn't make an announcement soon they'll lose sales in the passenger airline segment | 17:11 |
| b-man | StsN800: lol | 17:11 |
| wazd | and boeing has TWO 17" screens! | 17:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: and a freaking jet engine that Nokia will NEVER put into their tablet | 17:12 |
| * RST38h kinda remembers Boeing not having a GPS though | 17:12 | |
| StsN800 | and passenger seat PMPs.. | 17:12 |
| johnx | some people say the boeing isn't pocketable but it's ok because I carry an airplane hanger everyplace I go | 17:12 |
| johnx | s/hanger/hangar ... thought that looked off | 17:13 |
| wazd | johnx: pocketable things are for sissies | 17:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: that is only because it needs bigger batteries though | 17:13 |
| lcuk | johnx, its not the hangar that worries me, its having to show me passport and get scanned before powering up canola | 17:14 |
| johnx | but 897 is kind of a low number compared to the N900 | 17:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: there's no linux driver for jet engine so I think that's the bottleneck :) | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Wait wait | 17:14 |
| lcuk | wazd, there was once an open source jet engine, but it was a bit of a flop | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Boeing does not come with slide out keyboard! Only food trays! | 17:15 |
| johnx | guys, I need to make a decision by tomorrow: which is faster? Boeing 897 or Nokia N900? | 17:15 |
| lcuk | open tracy, receive bacon | 17:15 |
| lcuk | tray | 17:15 |
| lcuk | ffs freudian slip | 17:15 |
| wazd | lcuk: aha, thats how you earn your bacon)) | 17:16 |
| StsN800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26884 , wtf | 17:16 |
| StsN800 | 'n8x0 ruined my relationship' :P | 17:17 |
| Mace_ | hahaha | 17:17 |
| johnx | haha! actually I had the opposite thing going. Vagalume/last.fm was picking only songs that I really loved...but I'm not sure how it knows that I like them. I never really fed it much info | 17:17 |
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| Mace_ | mind melding through the headphones | 17:19 |
| StsN800 | my tablet is the modern equivalent of a vinyl player with romantic music like in the old movies | 17:19 |
| Mace_ | like the dawson's creek trapper keeper 3000 | 17:19 |
| johnx | mine is the modern equivalent of a pocketable linux-based, color screened internet radio w/ web browser...oh wait | 17:19 |
| Mace_ | sounds like my G1 | 17:20 |
| * RST38h calls his "my precioussss" | 17:20 | |
| Mace_ | :) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | johnx, the mic exists for a reason | 17:20 |
| johnx | did anyone try lxnm on mer? | 17:21 |
| StsN800 | hmm, no | 17:21 |
| StsN800 | wassat? | 17:21 |
| johnx | it claims to be a 'lightweight network manager' | 17:21 |
| johnx | I assume it originally went with lxde | 17:21 |
| Mace_ | StsN800: are you sure you don't need this box? | 17:21 |
| timelE61i | Johnx: hardware you can't have today or hardware you could buy yesterday? | 17:22 |
| Mace_ | i'm backing it up to my fileserver now | 17:22 |
| StsN800 | Mace_, go ahead | 17:22 |
| Mace_ | will you need it later or something? | 17:22 |
| johnx | timelE61i, that it's the modern equivalent of itself :) | 17:22 |
| timelE61i | or is the n97 also vaporware? | 17:23 |
| Mace_ | i'll keep it on my fileserver for a while in case you ever need it... but i'm sure in about 6 months it will have depreciated | 17:23 |
| RST38h | BTW, while looking for LXNM, I have found this: http://v1.moblin.org/projects/projects_moblin-applets.php | 17:23 |
| StsN800 | Mace_, as i said, content is deprecated atm too | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: Given that Nokia's applets are closed source, will these do? | 17:23 |
| Mace_ | ok well.. if you ever need another box then.. let me know | 17:24 |
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| StsN800 | RST38h, hmm, looks interesting | 17:24 |
| johnx | timelE61i, I never said it was. Are you saying it is? | 17:25 |
| Macer | shit this intel server card is so much faster than the onboard crap NIC mboards use | 17:25 |
| Macer | nvidia and marvell yukons... what garbage | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | My new pet theory is that the next tablet is going to turn out to be a rebranded iPhone. | 17:25 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: more like a skype phone | 17:26 |
| wazd | Bjorndalen is a winner again! Whoray!) | 17:26 |
| StsN800 | my conspiracy theory is next tablet is multiple tablets | 17:26 |
| Macer | the utms modem will be great for making a skype acct and raping your wireless providers net access | 17:26 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, losing the faith? | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, that theory isn't funny at all. | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, no, I'm just bored and want new hardware. :P | 17:27 |
| Macer | i wasn't being funny | 17:27 |
| RST38h | General: iPhone? No, never | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, I was, which is why your followup sucked. :P | 17:27 |
| Macer | if my n800 had a utms modem in it.. i would just get the cheapest unlimited net plan i could use.. an earpiece.. and use skype | 17:27 |
| RST38h | General: It will be a rebranded Toshiba Gigabeat, running Linux =) | 17:27 |
| RST38h | ~ | 17:27 |
| johnx | me too :/ it's spring and 2 years after my last major gadget purchase and I've developed the wanderlust and a horrible gadget craving | 17:27 |
| Macer | wow.. that would make it an iphone :-\ | 17:28 |
| Macer | that's it. i'm buying intel NICs for everything i have here | 17:28 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: what a sense of humor you have :P | 17:28 |
| Macer | this thing is flying.. 65MB/s | 17:28 |
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| Macer | compared to the shitty 30MB/s i get from the onboard stuff | 17:28 |
| * RST38h is amazed how everyone misses a point that the "next tablet" has already been released | 17:28 | |
| Macer | RST38h: 3G iphone? | 17:29 |
| johnx | RST38h, the N810WE? | 17:29 |
| StsN800 | RST38h, n97=rx-51? | 17:29 |
| * Macer grins | 17:29 | |
| RST38h | Nokia 5800 | 17:29 |
| RST38h | for all effective purposes, it does the same things as N8x0 | 17:29 |
| johnx | except any of the things I care about | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 17:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well...mhmm... | 17:30 |
| johnx | this manhole cover is exactly like a pizza! | 17:30 |
| johnx | look, look! | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's also not actually available for me yet. | 17:30 |
| RST38h | General: All over the place here | 17:30 |
| wazd | btw. http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: it's slower than the current tablets. | 17:30 |
| wazd | streaming of Nokia events on WMC | 17:30 |
| Macer | and it runs symbian :) | 17:31 |
| RST38h | General: general users do not care really | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, but we're not talking about general users. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | runs symbian, slower, smaller screen, etc | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're talking about the people in this room who care about a new tablet. | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | For them, the 5800 is not that. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | General: But nokia is, I guess | 17:31 |
| lcuk | how is it slower? | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so I don't know what your point is. | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, slower CPU | 17:31 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, 5800 is not a speed demon) | 17:31 |
| lcuk | but from a users POV, how is it slower? | 17:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 17:31 | |
| wazd | lcuk: browser is way slower | 17:32 |
| RST38h | General: my point is that from Nokia marketing pov, they have got "the next tablet" released | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this is #maemo. | 17:32 |
| johnx | thanks for your point. moving on... | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Symbian also comes with its signing shit which Maemo doesn't have | 17:32 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: this is #sparta :) | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, if only. | 17:33 |
| StsN800 | no, #bacon | 17:33 |
| Macer | haha | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I could kick everyone trying to make strange irrelevant point into a well. | 17:33 |
| RST38h | General: still worth keeping in mind that we ain't the target audience for Nokia products | 17:33 |
| Macer | it's ok! Mer will keep it all going! | 17:33 |
| StsN800 | we should have named Mer BaconOS | 17:34 |
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| Macer | no point in rushing things.. they will release a new maemo tablet when they do | 17:34 |
| johnx | ah crap! I thought I was the only one Nokia cared about! have they been cheating on me this whole time? *kries* | 17:34 |
| Macer | StsN800: yeah.. you sure messed that one up :) | 17:34 |
| Macer | BaconOS would have been way better | 17:34 |
| wazd | You know what? | 17:34 |
| Macer | you could have even acronymed the bacon part | 17:34 |
| wazd | Screw you guys, I'm going home) | 17:34 |
| Macer | heh | 17:34 |
| * wazd gone for food | 17:35 | |
| Macer | speaking of nokia. i still need to get a new encasing for my n95 | 17:35 |
| johnx | wazd, thanks for the link :) | 17:35 |
| Macer | crap.. i should have done it already but i needed the tools and i don' think the kit is saw came with them | 17:35 |
| Macer | that little guitar pic looking thing | 17:35 |
| Macer | that rips the side off | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, wazd you are right | 17:36 |
| * lcuk has rose tinted glasses | 17:36 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it also worth keeping in mind that Symbian strategy doesn't really have a whole lot to do with Maemo strategy. | 17:41 |
| johnx | ...yet | 17:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, well, certainly. | 17:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For the time being I'm trying to address the slightly random argument about the 5800, though. :P | 17:43 |
| johnx | OTOH it's clear that Maemo strategy and Symbian strategy are closer than they were 3-4 years ago | 17:43 |
| johnx | the point of the argument was to get people to jump into the argument :) | 17:43 |
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| Macer | i really need my ice genie for this shuttle k45 | 17:45 |
| lcuk | why havent people tried to put maemo onto 5800? is symbian still locked up | 17:45 |
| Macer | i hate waiting on shit to get here... why hasn't someone invented a teleporter yet? | 17:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Macer, there's probably enough cold left to pull a Cartman. | 17:45 |
| lcuk | they have macer, they are waiting for your bank account to get large enough before starting the advertising campaign | 17:45 |
| johnx | lcuk, that's actually a somewhat interesting question. There's a certain equation that determines the likeliness of a linux port to a platform | 17:46 |
| lcuk | well of all the devices i really wouldv expected something sooner | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does that Qualcomm SoC have any Linux support? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i know the kind of stuff ive been writing will sit on a device like that quite nicely | 17:46 |
| timelE61i | sorry | 17:46 |
| johnx | lcuk, there are more iphones in the wild than 5800s and the linux port for them is positively embryonic | 17:47 |
| timelE61i | My phone/irc client died | 17:47 |
| Macer | this shuttle doesn't come with enough cooling stock | 17:47 |
| lcuk | johnx, but we have symbian open os dont we - ie we arent fighting a closed battle? | 17:47 |
| timelE61i | Basically anything i've never seen in stores is vaporware as far as i'm concerned | 17:47 |
| Macer | especially considering that i had to replace the dying psu with its shitty cooling fan that died on me with a picoPSU | 17:47 |
| timelE61i | Lcuk: symbian open is a promise, not an accomplishment | 17:47 |
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| Macer | the intel stock cooler can't keep up with it | 17:48 |
| timelE61i | in a few years you'll be able to look at the symbian source and say "eww, gross" : | 17:48 |
| timelE61i | :) | 17:48 |
| RST38h | General: about symbian vs maemo strategy: this is what I am worried about | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, don't corrupt the definition of vaporware like that. | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | General: In a [financial] pinch, Symbian has the potential to steamroll Maemo into the ground | 17:49 |
| timelE61i | aww, i need a new word then | 17:49 |
| timelE61i | Promiseware? | 17:49 |
| Macer | my stock intel fan is running so fast that i think it's going to start flying | 17:50 |
| timelE61i | Imagine palm makes a promise of webos today | 17:50 |
| Macer | and it is making this buzzing noise.. probably because it has to keep spinning retarded fast to keep up with the cpu in such a small enclosure | 17:50 |
| timelE61i | And goes out of business tomorrow | 17:50 |
| * RST38h read "stock intel fan" and thought "Atom"? =) | 17:50 | |
| timelE61i | Do you get webos in june? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | Macer, underclock | 17:50 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah.. i might have to until my ice genie gets here | 17:51 |
| Macer | i'm going to melt the mboard if it keeps up like this | 17:51 |
| RST38h | BTW, just came: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-reese.jpg | 17:51 |
| lcuk | Macer, is this in normal desktop running? or are you hammering it playing games | 17:52 |
| timelE61i | fwiw, the n800 has an error message for when it decides to kill itself if it detects it's overheating | 17:52 |
| Macer | lcuk: normal desktop.. but it's usually under heavy use | 17:52 |
| timelE61i | (slightly less offtopic) | 17:52 |
| timelE61i | That's one error message i hope no one ever sees | 17:52 |
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| Macer | i have an ice genie on the way though. small water cooling kit from shuttle | 17:53 |
| Macer | draws heat from the entire box also.. so that should help quite a bit.. and the fan is a lot more quiet than this intel stock fan | 17:53 |
| johnx | timelE61i, I think vaporware should only be used for the most vaporous of promises. liquid/semi-solid and solidware could be used in different discussions. I've already heard people talk about various products 'condensing' into existence as more leaked photos show up | 17:53 |
| lcuk | timelE61i, never came up when i kept mine charging in an wooden enclosure all day long (well, i never saw it when i pulled it out, but the whole device was uncomfortably hot to touch | 17:53 |
| Macer | i'm actually more excited to get my artigo to put debian or kubuntu on | 17:53 |
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| Macer | i really want to see how well the C7 performs | 17:54 |
| timelE61i | lcuk: i'm not encouraging people to test this message! | 17:54 |
| lcuk | i cursed myself for it as well ;) | 17:54 |
| timelE61i | I didn't search to see if the codepath was connected | 17:54 |
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| johnx | timelE61i, I'm guessing it's not or isn't reachable before damage is potentially done to other components | 17:56 |
| * lcuk would personally prefer a shutdown if too hot | 17:56 | |
| lcuk | "phew, its getting warm" | 17:56 |
| lcuk | "omg, open the window" | 17:57 |
| lcuk | "arghhhhhhh its burning" | 17:57 |
| johnx | lcuk, http://pastebin.ca/1338043 <- ways to predict whether a device will ever have a linux port | 17:57 |
| johnx | not really in order of importance | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | yeah johnx, you missed one though: 7) is there anyone bored enough to hack it | 18:00 |
| johnx | that goes with common/popular and cheap | 18:01 |
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| johnx | aaah! I missed a really big one though: Is it a type of device that the user/hacker/porter can afford to leave in a non-working state for potentially extended periods of time | 18:02 |
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| johnx | it's this last one which I think lets the air out of lots of porting attempts to phones | 18:02 |
| lcuk | johnx, there were people buying hardware to stand outside the shop and destroy it | 18:02 |
| lcuk | screensize and limited use puts people off | 18:03 |
| johnx | keyboard is bigger than screensize | 18:03 |
| johnx | limited use seems to be only marginally important | 18:03 |
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| johnx | and the people who destroy devices outside stores are in an entirely separate, disconnected circle of the diagram from people who port linux to things | 18:04 |
| johnx | damn...didn't pay attention and my install of network-manager-gnome just accidentally brought in samba and cups :( | 18:05 |
| lcuk | on device? | 18:05 |
| johnx | zaurus | 18:05 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:06 |
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| johnx | except now I'm wasting xxMB/64MB of RAM running cupsd :/ | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | johnx: you should now connect a printer. | 18:10 |
| johnx | I don't own one | 18:10 |
| johnx | it's quite nice | 18:10 |
| johnx | I don't have the room to spare for quaint passtimes like 'printing' or 'starting a DVD collection' | 18:11 |
| RST38h | starting a dvd collection is stupid | 18:12 |
| johnx | I would lump 'printing' in with that category in about 4/5 situations when it's commonly employed | 18:13 |
| johnx | such as 'let me print you a shopping list' 'let me hand you a printout of this webpage' (<- this happens to me), 'let me print the email he/she sent' 'let's print a map!' | 18:14 |
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| * RST38h prints maps | 18:15 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i stopped printing maps. i now print maps to pdf, which are put on my tablet. and now i have a data plan, i skip the pdf part. | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:15 |
| * RST38h even prints source code for later inspection | 18:15 | |
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| johnx | Stskeeps++ RST38h-- | 18:15 |
| * RST38h finds reading remains of dead trees oddly relaxing | 18:16 | |
| Stskeeps | i protested my TAs decision not to accept PDF files by e-mail by printing him a xournal-exported pdf on a color printer and giving it to him. | 18:16 |
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| johnx | RST38h, just tell me you don't hand people 15 stapled pages and tell them 'I found this website you might be interested in so I printed for you.' | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: Did he pay for the ink? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: indirectly maybe | 18:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: I do not hand people websites | 18:16 |
| wazd_n800 | I've found cool site | 18:17 |
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| wazd_n800 | wikipedia.org | 18:17 |
| RST38h | have you printed it all? =) | 18:17 |
| wazd_n800 | so I've printed it for you | 18:17 |
| johnx | wazd, now that would actually be fun to have a printout of | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Well, gentlemen... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/printed_wikipedia_now_available.php | 18:17 |
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| johnx | there's something about printing it off a nice small-medium laser printer and stapling every article that makes a difference though :) | 18:19 |
| wazd_n800 | There's some bible chapter happening on the streets right now | 18:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: ? | 18:19 |
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| johnx | I remember my friend printed the FreeBSD handbook to use up his (paid for) semester printing allotment... | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | we have free print at the faculty now | 18:20 |
| * RST38h did not have an allotment | 18:20 | |
| Stskeeps | it got too expensive handling paying compared to just giving free print :P | 18:21 |
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| johnx | RST38h, we had a fee to provide it | 18:21 |
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| johnx | a steep fee | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Never really overused the printers though | 18:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: I was a TA, then an RA, you your fee provided for me =) | 18:21 |
| johnx | I'm sure he wouldn't have done it if he hadn't been charged already | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | s/you/so/ | 18:21 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: johnx: I was a TA, then an RA, so your fee provided for me =) | 18:21 |
| johnx | RST38h, the fee paid you to ignore the bottle of everclear being passed around the freshmen floor | 18:21 |
| Macer | hm. sould have seriously put a larger disk in this box | 18:22 |
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| johnx | Macer, like one of those 5.25" ones? or you thinking 8"? | 18:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ah, dorms weren't our responsibility =) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | seperation of state and dorms is excellent | 18:22 |
| johnx | RA != dorm? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | research assistant | 18:22 |
| Macer | heh | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 18:23 |
| johnx | aaaah | 18:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: RA = research assistant | 18:23 |
| johnx | the other RA | 18:23 |
| Macer | meant a larger hard drive | 18:23 |
| johnx | Macer, so did I :> | 18:23 |
| Macer | :) touche | 18:23 |
| johnx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bigfoot | 18:23 |
| Macer | wow.. a bigfoot | 18:23 |
| Macer | hey.. they were cheap and big :) | 18:23 |
| Macer | haha | 18:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles found a 5.25" hard drive in a 2001 Compaq one time. | 18:24 | |
| Macer | i never had a bigfoot die on me | 18:25 |
| Macer | i can give them that much at least | 18:25 |
| Macer | i don't think it would even break if you threw it into a wall :) | 18:25 |
| Macer | it was a hard drive/armed combat weapon | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | "tablets: usable as weapons?" | 18:26 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: have you ever seen like.. the REAL OLD hard drives? | 18:27 |
| Macer | i mean the ones with like an 18" platter? :) | 18:27 |
| Macer | 5MB 12" platter drives and shit like that | 18:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Macer, in a museum somewhere. | 18:28 |
| * Stskeeps tries out .. snap10 | 18:29 | |
| Stskeeps | jesus, too many snaps to get things right this time | 18:29 |
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| * RST38h has seen lots of real old harddrives and even used a platter from one as a kitchen gong | 18:31 | |
| qwerty12 | neodymium magnets ftw | 18:32 |
| RST38h | 10"+ aluminium platter | 18:32 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, releasing 0.8? | 18:33 |
| oli | some guy from polish electronics board made a hdd with plexi window and blue LED's inside... | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, tomorrow - i have hardly been at my laptop and there are a few things we want to fix just yet.. | 18:33 |
| oli | after few days he got enough bad sectors to put that hdd in trash ;p | 18:33 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, good luck. i'm still stuck with unbuildable pygtk. | 18:34 |
| johnx | oli, if you do that you have to do it a cleanroom... | 18:34 |
| Macer | you just have to love the way vista gives you absolutely no time eta on disk defragmentation | 18:35 |
| RST38h | crazy poles... | 18:35 |
| oli | johnx: I know that, every piece of dust is a high risk :) but that guy probably doesn't :) | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, pygtk is a bloody nightmare | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: is it pygtk on top of maemo gtk? | 18:35 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope, both vanilla | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | oh, then it is probably similar | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
| oli | there was also other guy who tried to stick new PCI-E graphics into AGP, people adviced him to cut the gold part of cart so it could fit... | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | >.< | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, gcc enters endless (?) loop while building gtk.c. it should take less than a minute, but it compiled for a day and didn't finish. tried different pygtk versions, still no luck. gonna build gcc-4.3, maybe it'll help. | 18:37 |
| oli | RST38h: http://obrazki.elektroda.net/77_1184541824.jpg | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you are aware that pygtk goes through several iterations of the same files, right? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | same / it updates the missing coverage stuff | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | until it reaches 100% coverage or something | 18:39 |
| jeremiah | debian has added support for armel with the lenny release, I wonder what this effect this will have on Maemo? | 18:39 |
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| jeremiah | I suppose it means that at the very least debian packages for that architecture are going to | 18:39 |
| jeremiah | be more stable. | 18:39 |
| jeremiah | Since they have been tested a bit. | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: not much really. it caused johnx's debian, then me and johnxs deblet and then mer.. | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, it runs single gcc command for a day | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, i simply got tired of waiting | 18:40 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: deblet? What's that? | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, all other files built in reasonable time | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: deblet was a more kosher distribution of debian for the nokia tablets | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | mer's older brother | 18:41 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Ah! Cool. Mer sounds fun, I have to check it out a bit more. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | (we have been playing with debian-armel for ages now :P) | 18:41 |
| oli | will mer always use hildon-desktop? :> | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | oli: people are using mer and lxde.. | 18:41 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Okay. Do you guys push stuff back upsteam? Like up to debian? | 18:42 |
| slonopotamus_ | hehe | 18:42 |
| RST38h | oli: looks mightty pretty though | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: so far we don't have much that is worth pushing, but 0xffff package have been pushed :P | 18:42 |
| jeremiah | cool | 18:42 |
| oli | Stskeeps: ok, i don't ask anymore, just going for a >4gb SD :) | 18:42 |
| oli | RST38h: it's 2GB hdd | 18:43 |
| * jeremiah reads the mer website | 18:43 | |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: with Mer we are trying to push to Maemo when we can.. | 18:43 |
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| johnx | also, a lot of the things we're doing in mer are because they don't really fit into debian or ubuntu in a sane way | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i see mer as a middle point between OE/emdebian, maemo, and desktop distributions | 18:43 |
| slonopotamus_ | johnx, insane things? :) | 18:43 |
| johnx | for example we use Nokia's patched version of gtk+, but we already know that Ubuntu, Debian and upstream gtk+ don't want most of those patches | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | Very, very interesting. | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | but nokia's patched version makes perfect sense on mobile devices, for instance | 18:44 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, for middling values for insane | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | Wow, so it is just you two guys supporting the whole distro? | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | That is a lot of work. | 18:44 |
| Macer | goddamn tropic thunder cracks me up | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | nah, look at the people's list | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | people are doing different kind of work | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | okay | 18:45 |
| * b-man is maintaining merinstaller | 18:45 | |
| johnx | and also a lot comes from ubuntu and maemo | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | and the code drops from fremantle pre-alphas are great, so | 18:45 |
| jeremiah | Hmm, so real community is building up behind it. | 18:45 |
| jeremiah | good stuff | 18:45 |
| b-man | yup :) | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | 0.8 comes out tomorrow.. take it for a swing in virtualbox, qemu or vmware :) | 18:46 |
| johnx | it's in everyone's enlightened self interest after all :) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | especially since Maemo 5 doesn't come for N8x0. | 18:46 |
| * johnx is applying that keyboard/enter fix finally ... | 18:46 | |
| jeremiah | that is excellent. Well, I hope to contribute to because a vibrant eco system is a Good Thing | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: we'll be asking a lot of crazy questions probably :P | 18:46 |
| * Stskeeps is a novice in debian packaging but has a good sense of architecture and ideas.. :P | 18:47 | |
| jeremiah | Fire away whenever, I hope to put up some contact info on the wiki | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woo | 18:47 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: You'll learn the packaging bit quickly, the other parts are what matters. | 18:47 |
| * qwerty12 has more fun packaging games then actually playing them :/ | 18:48 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, would be a shame if i didn't learn a little bit by getting a comp.sci degree.. :P | 18:48 |
| jeremiah | heh | 18:48 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, for now it can just be a boot thing I guess, but how do you feel about including dbus-scripts daemon into mer for some lightweight/misc event handling? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: what is dbus-scripts again? | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: for scary facts - i'm chatting to you from Mer on a laptop, with the hildon environment.. in osso-xterm, on x86. | 18:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it listens for dbus events and launches scripts/programs passing the dbus message as an argument | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | that is what makes mer truely interesting | 18:49 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: You mean that it can be a laptop-like OS and a tablet OS? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: it can be a netbook os, tablet os, mobile phone OS.. maemo everywhere :> | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | i even had it on a Pocket Loox 720 PDA. | 18:50 |
| johnx | but it's still using hildon-desktop on all those machines | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | we even have it on the beagleboard too :P | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | So you get the same "look and feel" | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | nice | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | if you develop stuff for mer on x86, it most likely (.. some exceptions), builds for the other architectures too | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | so you can try your applications for the maemo platform as they are, directly in your machine or virtual machine | 18:51 |
| jeremiah | Nice. | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, package up PokerTH | 18:52 |
| jeremiah | I love using VMs so I am definitely going to download mer | 18:52 |
| RST38h | qwerty: yes, please =) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | so we'll see where this leads.. it was the choice between maintaining a backport and patching diablo firmware images.. or doing something radical to the maemo platform | 18:52 |
| Macer | i still can't believe that is robert downey jr. as the black dude | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | guess which was more fun :> | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I think mikkov_ has his eye on that looking at the thanks counter and he's a LOT better than me so I'll wait... | 18:52 |
| Macer | when i first saw this i had no idea :) | 18:52 |
| Macer | "I don't break character until I'm done with the DVD commentary!" | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I keep telling Firebird I'll refer him to somebody to help him package it up, but he keeps putting up roadblocks. | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: so, now on mer - instead of maintaining a horrible port of most things.. apt-get install firefox, apt-get install abiword, .. etc | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | and it just works | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, odd, he responded well to the source request :/ | 18:54 |
| johnx | and it just works as well as a non-hildonized app can | 18:54 |
| johnx | but often when you need a specific app an 80% solution is good enough | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Do KDE apps pose problems? | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, well, I've been friends with him for a while. | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Say vs. Gnome apps | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, he's just being lazy or something. | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:54 |
| johnx | jeremiah, they shouldn't and yet...testing is welcome :) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: i honestly didn't try yet. but we will probably also look at Qt for Maemo so | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | so it adapts a similar look | 18:55 |
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| slonopotamus_ | i wanna see how you'll hildonize qt apps | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: Qt handles it itself afaik | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | most of it, at least | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | ? | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus_, maemo qt does automatic hildonizing (to the best it can do anyway) | 18:56 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, check out some screenshots on the qt for maemo page | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | oh my. | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | maemo qt, maemo gtk | 18:56 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, join us and we can rule the galaxy together! *shakes fist* | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: if its API and ABI compatible with normal gtk, who cares? :P | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | / qt | 18:57 |
| jeremiah | yeah, Qt is pretty rockin. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | qt 4 maemo is (honestly) how maemo gtk ought to have been | 18:57 |
| johnx | I wonder if there were technical limitations in gtk | 18:58 |
| johnx | I know that something similar was done for qtopia | 18:58 |
| jeremiah | Nokia owns Qt don't they? They bought Trolltech and Trolltech produces Qt. | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | now they do, back then they didn't | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | hildon doesn't really help when it expects GTK_MENU to be returned for the menu rather than GTK_MENUBAR | 18:59 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboardavailable is false by default, correct? | 19:00 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, /root/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src/sm_drv_spi.c:39:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory while trying to build cx3110x-module. any hints? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: correct, and it is keyboard_available | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: compile kernel first | 19:01 |
| johnx | ah | 19:01 |
| johnx | I picked the wrong line of yours to copy :) | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's compiled | 19:01 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yesterday | 19:01 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ~100 minutes for maemo vanilla kernel, btw. | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: natively? ok | 19:02 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, yep, on device | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well. i think cross-compilation acceleration like scratchbox can be neat, but it shouldn't be a requirement.. | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | it should be kinda like DISTCCing to a cross-compiler instead | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | (did you ever try that?) | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why 'kinda'? why not use distcc? | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well, we did for deblet initially | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cos we never had scratchbox | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, got problems with this setup? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: with DISTCC? occasionally | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | but there was probably a lot of factors to it | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, more often than with sb? :) | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: touche | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hehe. i still can't understand. there's qemu inside scratchbox? or cross-compiler? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | both | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | it uses cross-compiler for compilations, and qemu for emulating the programs if need be | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you good at generating cross-compilation toolchains btw? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: did you ever solve your bw quota issue btw? | 19:07 |
| Meizirkki | bw quota issue? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | as in your parents making it impossible to dl more than 5gb a month? | 19:08 |
| Meizirkki | not parents, opreator. anyway it's a deal that when i dload more than 5gp they lower priority of your connection | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki | but because i am living in the middle of nowhere, there is nobody else to override me | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | lol :P | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if i give you a tar.gz can you test it quickly? i have moved from Xmodmap to HAL plus XKB so | 19:11 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | we are first releasing tomorrow as we wanted to finish these issues | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | midori issue. no HIM for text fields | 19:13 |
| johnx | yup | 19:13 |
| johnx | maybe a change from tear we can borrow | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | and its a bit crashy but so it goes | 19:14 |
| * b-man reminds himself to update the url on merinstaller to 0.8 for tomorrows release | 19:15 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: mm, good idea | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | why don't i like the "Checking for updates, please wait" string in HAM? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | i always think it looks for updates to the system | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | not as it is, updates to the installable applications list | 19:16 |
| GAN800 | please wait is stupid | 19:16 |
| GAN800 | It's a dialog with a progress bar | 19:16 |
| GAN800 | Of course you're going to wait. . . . | 19:16 |
| johnx | GAN800, so you're saying it should only talk about the exceptional case? | 19:17 |
| GAN800 | "Updating application catalog..." | 19:17 |
| johnx | I like the idea of a dialog with progress bar and no clickable button that says "Wait or don't wait. it doesn't really matter." | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we so need en_GB-sarcastic. | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | and klingon. | 19:18 |
| * johnx wants to make an en_JP | 19:18 | |
| Stskeeps | hello kitty? :P | 19:18 |
| Meizirkki | what about having a "mer-latest-image" on some server that is a link to the real tar.gz, so there would be no need to upgrade installer everytime there's a update? | 19:19 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, go to engrish.com, find the most absurd example on the site and odds are 9/10 that actually came from a real product and isn't a photoshop | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i would be delighted to, except the ftp protocol doesn't support making symlinks.. | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, i know | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i have seen funny things in hong kong too | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: but yes, you are perfectly right | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: when you are bored, make something that grabs the current image name from a .txt on the server or something | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | or a list of images | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | like <version>,<release date><description> | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | or the likes :P | 19:22 |
| b-man | ok :) | 19:22 |
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| * b-man also thinks about making separate lists for internal/external mmcs to make the installer less confusing | 19:23 | |
| Stskeeps | well, are you speaking of the p1..4 thing? | 19:24 |
| * qwerty12 wonders what he has to do to make mer believe that my N800 does support wifi... | 19:24 | |
| b-man | yes | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: make a function making the p1..p4 strings? i dunno | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i still suspect it is CAL-related for some strange reason | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: but i need to see console output of your tablet | 19:25 |
| * johnx wonders about different hardware revs of the N800 | 19:25 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wlan-cal output is ok and it works well in maemo | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wait, I'll get syslog running | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: alright | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | and upstart-logd | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki | qwerty12: try running wlan-cal after you're booted, i had the same problem when i tested ubuntu-MID | 19:26 |
| t_s_o | hmm, mnotes + voice search = microsoft recite... | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, thanks, will try that after I've got the log :) | 19:26 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if mer can survive the pizza test of usefulness | 19:26 | |
| Stskeeps | (can it be used to order pizza online.) | 19:26 |
| b-man | hehe | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, modify http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ for your favourite pizza shop in .dk :. | 19:27 |
| b-man | real-world testing :) | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... what do you mean by 'good at'? i built a working one :) | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: better than me, i guess | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i just used gentoo tools | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | out of question, to set root password within a chroot, do I need to have /proc, /sys, /dev etc binded? | 19:31 |
| Meizirkki | nope | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | thanks | 19:31 |
| johnx | chroot /target passwd | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | yep, thanks :) | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, crossdev -S arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi, patience and you get a cross-toolchain :) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:32 |
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| * qwerty12 <3's avahi | 19:33 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, + crossdev-wrappers and you get emerge that is targeted at folder/arch you're building for | 19:33 |
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| * Meizirkki watches installer unpacking mer rootfs | 19:34 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#step_1_cross-build_minimal_working_system up to make.conf tweaking | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | also, 'Browse installable applications' | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | but some of them are not installable | 19:36 |
| johnx | heh...funny battery charger thread :) | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Browse application catalog" ? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i guess | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, if we're gonna insist on "catalog" might as well use it enough so people recognize it. | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | "Browse or die" | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Up, timeless has got "Available applications" | 19:37 |
| johnx | if we put browse people will also expect a random button... | 19:38 |
| johnx | for when they're in the mood for a new app but don't really care what it is | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, almost passed the pizza test | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | website almost made me require flash | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: oh, one question for you, even though your first work day is still some time away :) | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: if pinning was in use, would apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade to the pinned repository's version, if the pinning priority was higher? | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | example is, we want to patch apt. we pin mer repository on a higher priority than ubuntu, but apt is brought in through debootstrap. would subsequent pinning and apt-get dist-upgrade force an upgrade of apt? | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, 16th. :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe | 19:44 |
| johnx | well, it's the 16th now | 19:44 |
| johnx | :) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, its me and the fiancees 2nd year day tomorrow | 19:44 |
| johnx | and Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure the answer is yes | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ok | 19:44 |
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| johnx | also, we can pin apps individually | 19:46 |
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| johnx | the way we're doing now is pretty much the blunt force trauma approach :) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | it works.. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:46 |
| johnx | and so does blunt force trauma for a certain subset of problems | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | only thing i remember from optimization | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
| * johnx learned it in auto repair 101: applied roadside emergency maintenance | 19:48 | |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'm in mer now, what's needed to test? | 19:50 |
| Meizirkki | Fn not working | 19:50 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, did you already run this: /usr/bin/gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboard_available true | 19:51 |
| Meizirkki | johnx, noi didn't. thanks | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: fn not working? gimme a lshal output :/ | 19:53 |
| JerhuM | Hello, have french channel for maemo ? | 19:53 |
| johnx | aaargh...fn not enter. sorry Meizirkki | 19:53 |
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| Meizirkki | johnx: hehe, it least my enter work now :P | 19:54 |
| Meizirkki | s/work/works/ | 19:54 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: johnx: hehe, it least my enter works now :P | 19:54 |
| johnx | :) | 19:54 |
| johnx | JerhuM, I haven't heard about one. But, I know some people in this channel speak French. | 19:54 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, the whole lshal or just keyboard? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: just the keyboard i guess | 19:55 |
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| JerhuM | ok thanks johnx | 19:56 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m33729067 | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, lshal > file.something and scp it to trac if its ok | 19:57 |
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| Meizirkki | yep | 19:59 |
| JerhuM | Quelqu'un peut me poster son sources list pour maemo 2008 diablo pour un nokia n810 ? | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Your English sounds readable, why not just try and post your question in English? | 20:01 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, lshal.file now uploaded | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: thank you | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: to trac.tspre.org/meiz? | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, is http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-1_armel.deb your latest? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | yessir | 20:02 |
| Meizirkki | oh, wait, i forgot ~/www | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | evening, all | 20:03 |
| johnx | JerhuM, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? | 20:03 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, now uploaded to ~/www | 20:03 |
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| jagernot | how do i find out if my app is in extras? | 20:04 |
| johnx | on your tablet: apt-get update && apt-cache policy pkgname | 20:05 |
| jagernot | from the web? | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | jagernot, your debs are there http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/b/boxar/ but you may have to wait an hour until the list of packages get updated | 20:05 |
| johnx | browse extras directly | 20:05 |
| jagernot | qwerty12: thanks for checking but that has been up for two days :D | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can you grab a similar one from Maemo too? (you're very helpful) | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | yes i can :) | 20:06 |
| JerhuM | yes johnx | 20:08 |
| wazd | oh crap, MWC already started :) | 20:08 |
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| wazd | I thought they will launch on 16 | 20:09 |
| johnx | JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338117 | 20:09 |
| johnx | wazd, 16th in what timezone? :P | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not johnx's dirty liar timezone. | 20:10 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, oi! Don't hate on the future | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, lshal from maemo uploaded | 20:10 |
| wazd | johnx: hmm... barcelona has GMT -2 or 1 I think | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: thanks | 20:11 |
| JerhuM | thanks johnx | 20:11 |
| wazd | johnx: so they can't have 16 before me :P | 20:11 |
| johnx | wazd, then they started early it seems | 20:11 |
| johnx | JerhuM, thank translate.google.com :) | 20:11 |
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| wazd | Nokia's keynote should be at 9AM GMT | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | A tablet announcement there would be a pretty big step for Maemo, methinks. | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | So, who's gonna sniper Nokia if they don't announce the next tablet? :) | 20:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so what an integrated HSPA radio | 20:13 |
| johnx | s/sniper/frozen trout/ | 20:13 |
| roope | I can just imagine the comments from Frank Wagner, either way. | 20:14 |
| johnx | roope, ...and others :/ | 20:14 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: announcement will breath in some fresh air in Maemo lungs for sure) | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! I know why we need to have the Summit in Helsinki. | 20:14 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: People really tired to compare n810 vs everything) | 20:14 |
| johnx | s/so what an/so would an/ <- eep | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: afterwards that, in mer chroot, mv /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/10-nokia-tablets.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/ (because i am potentially an idiot.) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | and boot into mer | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's already been announced. | 20:15 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's my point :) | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh, right we've already had the step. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, stage-time next to S60 still seems like another big step to me. | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ookay | 20:16 |
| johnx | I agree. I think we'll see it happen in littler steps as Nokia at large gets comfortable with the work of their Maemo R&D section | 20:16 |
| JerhuM | it's possible to simulate right click with stylet ? | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | tap n' hold | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | you know, what surprises me the most is how bloody sturdy these damn tablets are | 20:17 |
| johnx | steps so far: Adding the tablets to the N series, announcing with an HSPA radio, integrating with Nokia desktop apps, paying Navicore to bring Map | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it'll be interesting to see the option between Maemo or Symbian on Nokia's smartphones. | 20:17 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, the /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty/ dir is empty in my Diablo installation .. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yes, hence why i am an idiot, and i said in Mer chroot :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | chroot into the mer partition | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | i just had my tablet fly across my office cos my foot caught the charger cable | 20:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I doubt we'll ever see them on *exactly* the same hardware, but yeah, it will be quite interesting. A lot of the old players in the game are doing some surprising things these last couple years :) | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | and even if battery and sd slot holder inside popped out and back panel popped off.. | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | boots fine. | 20:19 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: oh, i missunderstood, sorry | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hey, at least i didn't nuke your maemo installation :P | 20:19 |
| johnx | mine has scuff marks from exposure to concrete O_o; my zauruses have held up similarly and they even have moving parts though | 20:20 |
| johnx | what it really goes to show you is how fragile laptops are | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those chargers are dangerous | 20:21 |
| * Meizirkki boots to Mer | 20:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it when I forget mine's plugged in and try to pick it up too quickly. | 20:21 |
| jaska | yeah, ive had cellphones and laptops fly from that | 20:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yup. and they're the biggest weak point of the whole physical/mechanical construction | 20:21 |
| soap | It isn't just that laptops are more fragile, but that the mass is so much greater. More mass = more energy to dissipate upon deceleration = more damage. | 20:22 |
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| soap | well, I guess that could be a definition of "fragile" - but it is more a matter of physics than build quality. | 20:22 |
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| jaska | i remember some old nmt phone, you could throw them on a brick wall and only the wall would get hurt, call wouldnt be dropped : | 20:23 |
| jaska | :) | 20:23 |
| johnx | mostly thinking about fans and hard discs | 20:23 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: lshal again | 20:24 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, uploaded | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: blast | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: grab http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi , remove 10-nokia-tablets.fdi, and put this in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymaps.fdi | 20:29 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | 10-keymap.fdi sorry | 20:30 |
| Meizirkki | i replace the existing file? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:33 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, Fn key still dead :( | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | lshal :/ | 20:37 |
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| Meizirkki | should i have the n810-slideout-kb-xmodmap package installed? | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, no, not after the grab | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | but we just removed the file so | 20:38 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, uploaded | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok, well, the issue is that the keyboard should point to 'nokiarx44' as keyboard model. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | in xkb.model | 20:40 |
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| JerhuM | johnx: why when i replace hildon-application-manager-list, in the option of the application manager (gui) it keep former list of repository ? | 20:41 |
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| johnx | JerhuM, the list is also stored in another file | 20:42 |
| JerhuM | ok where please ? | 20:43 |
| johnx | I don't remember. I'm looking | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, hmm, setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 | 20:43 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, and reboot? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: no, go test now if Fn works :P | 20:44 |
| Meizirkki | it doesn't | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | setxkbmap -print | 20:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | JerhuM, johnx: /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | i need a n810. :P | 20:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | where's your sense of N800 patriotism? :p | 20:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah. thought it was something like that, but I guess it doesn't exist if h-a-m hasn't managed to update it's list yet :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it is still there but i have to support rx-44 too.. | 20:46 |
| JerhuM | thanks qwerty12_N800 and johnx :) | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: heh :) | 20:46 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/m5319d58f | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I say forget them :P | 20:46 |
| luke-jr | any suggestions for charging my N810 before the charger arrives? >.> | 20:47 |
| johnx | luke-jr, have any friends with Nokia phones? | 20:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | buy an E90 and put the battery in there | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: know what a ssh tunnel is? | 20:48 |
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| Meizirkki | nope | 20:49 |
| Meizirkki | tellme | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | well it is basically a way for me to access the ssh server on your tablet :P you run a command and i can go back through that tunnel and log in to your mer installation | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | johnx: no idea | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, okay for me, but my ip address is local only.. | 20:50 |
| johnx | luke-jr, time to find out :> | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | 192.168.0.xxx | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and yes, the good thing about ssh tunnels is they don't care about that :P | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | any way to track a package w/o the tracking code? :x | 20:50 |
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| JerhuM | hum /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues have ugly syntax to modify , johnx please send me your :) | 20:51 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, basically you make an ssh tunnel that has one end on your tablet and one end on a machine that Stskeeps has access to | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:52 |
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| johnx | JerhuM, http://pastebin.ca/1338155 | 20:56 |
| johnx | JerhuM, almost all software you want is in the extras repository ( wiki.maemo.org/Extras ) | 20:56 |
| JerhuM | thanks yet | 20:57 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ok, looks like enter works now on the zaurus keyboard :) is h-i-m-e-p still supposed to pop up? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. that is another issue | 21:01 |
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| johnx | well then it works | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:03 |
| wazd | omg, SE released 12 mpx phone | 21:06 |
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| oli | wazd: people like numbers | 21:08 |
| johnx | mmm...numbers | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: any Fn now? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | (i switched layout to being Fi) | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | or fisenoda, which sounds like a very dirty word in danish | 21:11 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps, no Fn key :( | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: how about rest? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | finnish specific stuff | 21:12 |
| Meizirkki | minus is on its place, but ä andö are æ and ø | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so some of them are wrong.. | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | or? | 21:15 |
| Meizirkki | i think ä and ö are on their place, but font or something just does not support them | 21:15 |
| Meizirkki | wait a bit | 21:15 |
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| Meizirkki | nope, they aren't working any better in Maemopad | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder.. | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: reboot, reestablish ssh tunnel | 21:18 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 21:19 |
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| oli | how to redirect port using iptables? on a linux pc, not a nokia | 21:21 |
| hahlo | Stskeeps: can i localize mer virtual keyboard? | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | oli: IP doesn't support that | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: if you edit the source.. we really need someone to work on it | 21:23 |
| hahlo | is it c? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:23 |
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| oli | luke-jr: ? so how to? | 21:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, does our h-i-m 'example plugin' use different key layouts than the maemo/diablo h-i-m stylus keyboard? | 21:25 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, tunnel open | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i dont even think the plugin is there | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ta | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ok, test fn | 21:26 |
| johnx | hmm? what do you mean 'not there'? I mean the h-i-m onscreen keyboard we use right now. (I have I feeling I'm missing something big) | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | oli: you can only redirect to the local PC | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: as in the example plugin is not really functional | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | oli: otherwise, the closest thing is a proxy of some form | 21:26 |
| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: not working . | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: k, hmm | 21:27 |
| oli | luke-jr: no way :| i just want to make my nokia accesible from Internet via VNC | 21:27 |
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| luke-jr | oli: ok, so either put it on the Internet or setup a proxy | 21:28 |
| johnx | luke-jr, are you sure? | 21:28 |
| oli | johnx: it's unbelieveable for me, that iptables cannot forward packets to other host... | 21:29 |
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| johnx | oli, I'm about 90% sure I was using iptables for that exact purpose, but it was on a wrt54g and I set it up with a web frontend | 21:30 |
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| luke-jr | oli: it can, but the return packets won't go the right way if you do that | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: ok, getting closer | 21:31 |
| oli | luke-jr: but connection from WAN will work, won't it? | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | Interesting: someone claims to have played with the RX-51: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=36665#post36665 | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | oli: no | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | oli: unless your N8x0's gateway is that same Linux machine | 21:31 |
| oli | luke-jr: should i draw it for you? ;| | 21:32 |
| johnx | oli, I see what luke-jr is saying. basically, if you want to be able to reach your tablet from outside the network the machine you use as a router/NAT needs to be the same machine your do port redirection on | 21:32 |
| oli | johnx: that's exactly what my situation is | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | johnx: no it doesn't | 21:33 |
| johnx | and your linux desktop box is the router/NAT? | 21:33 |
| oli | johnx: yep. I share Internet via iptables to LAN | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | johnx: iptables can redirect to other hosts as well | 21:33 |
| johnx | jacekowski, ah. sorry, I was just talking about what would accomplish his goals in his specific case | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: hype before the hit? :P | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: adds some (not much, admittedly) weight to the hope of an announcement at MWC | 21:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, bastards! | 21:35 |
| johnx | oli, google for iptables accept redirect | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: reboot, tunnel (sorry) :P | 21:36 |
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| Meiz_mer | ok | 21:37 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, ssh tunnel open | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | test fn and such | 21:43 |
| Meiz_mer | still no fn | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | .. wtf. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, going to pop up Xev again | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | please press fn | 21:43 |
| Meiz_mer | ok | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, ta | 21:44 |
| johnx | start-hildon does the enter magic. first-boot-wizard should finish building in a sec. then it will too | 21:49 |
| johnx | off to sleep | 21:49 |
| johnx | good luck with the fn key guys | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | alright, ta | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | key <I177> { [ XF86Phone ] }; | 21:58 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 21:58 | |
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| Stskeeps | how does the n97 look again? does it have media keys on it? like play/stop,rewind, etc | 21:58 |
| rm_you | ono | 21:59 |
| rm_you | missed johnx | 21:59 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, like the N96? I don't believe so. | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: well, there are some rather awkward buttons in rx-51 definition | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what, like "Porn"? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | nm, i'm seeing things | 22:01 |
| lcuk | lol @ a porn button | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | get back to making liqporn, lcuk | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:02 |
| lcuk | you are the one with your tongue out - don't get electrocuted licking your screen | 22:02 |
| Jaffa | Unset jelly? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, that guy who claims to have seen next gen device might be thinking of the n97 | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i know i was when we were discussing 5800 before | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: test fn, if fail, reboot | 22:03 |
| Meiz_mer | ok | 22:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: maybe - he knows enough to know Maemo, but not enough to think that porting a complex media system might be tricky for someone with no programming experience. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | ive run top, and it shows "maemo-launcher" as a hi running app - how can i find out what its actually running | 22:04 |
| * Meiz_mer reboots... | 22:04 | |
| * Stskeeps curses | 22:04 | |
| lcuk | lol jaffa yeah i noticed the flaw in the plans | 22:04 |
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| wazd | oh. my. god. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/334 | 22:06 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, ssh open | 22:07 |
| lcuk | wazd, you say omg like you fell on this by accident. you sat there and custom rendered your own hello kitty ti calc design. | 22:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: that was for GeneralAntilles :) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | or is the omg because you want in on the beta test | 22:08 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: you succeeded? :o | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, you've found your new dream game, then? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ioquake3 forums were Hello Kitty-themed for a while. | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: still here? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | did you campaign to keep em that way? | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahah, it's been updated: http://ioquake.org/forums/ | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hover effects are fun. | 22:10 |
| qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, yep, edited tablet-wireless script & installed wicd | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: good :) | 22:11 |
| rm_you | Wazd: http://images.mmorpg.com//images/galleries/formatted/392008/95613352-4008-4094-998c-a56cbecb6941.jpg | 22:11 |
| wazd | rm_you: xD | 22:11 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep :P | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: be aware that you might need to adapt the wifi power saving yourswelf | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | it depends on NM | 22:11 |
| wazd | I'm looking for some dumb but funny game to reset my brain :) | 22:12 |
| qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, wifi-psm doesn't really bother me in mer :) | 22:12 |
| timelE61i | wazd: traffic? :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12-mer: well i meant more like it will get warm ;) | 22:13 |
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| wazd | timelE61i: what?) | 22:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | sorry Sts, nm-applet stopped working | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ah, hate when that happens | 22:13 |
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| qwerty12-mer | Stskeeps, I've had that happen in offline mode ;) | 22:14 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12-mer, you got wlan working ? | 22:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | sorry, i just checked #mer | 22:15 |
| qwerty12-mer | yep :) | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | should i be scared i didn't receive any maemo-community mail today? :P | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | can i screw up global memory allocation by abusing malloc/free. ie not freeing memory properly after closing app etc (im used to windows memory alloc stuff still) | 22:22 |
| benson | lcuk: when your app is closed, the memory will be free again. | 22:23 |
| benson | But there's no good excuse for not freeing things... | 22:24 |
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| Meiz_mer | finally | 22:25 |
| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: tunnel opeen | 22:25 |
| lcuk | benson, i know that, i just went wayyyyyy ott and allocated and freed muchly and made the entire machine crawl | 22:25 |
| lcuk | closing re-opening didnt help, so i wondered if it was | 22:26 |
| benson | Well, if everything else got swapped out to make room for your mess, it'll be slow till it gets swapped back in. Maybe that' | 22:26 |
| benson | s what you saw? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable, but it was persistent - mem alloc when not running was at 120mb | 22:27 |
| benson | strange. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | yeah, dont normally notice such things. machines had a few hiccups last day or so anyway. shall find out soon | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | i might take this as a reasonable time to put mer on | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: test kthx | 22:31 |
| lcuk | mer heads: the wifi works, but it doesnt powersave - is that the same as mine currently (I use adhoc) - will i get similar life expectancy? | 22:31 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: still no fn | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no. | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it does powersave now | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | (in 0.8( | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: wtf | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: popping xev up | 22:32 |
| lcuk | heh, but not for adhoc | 22:32 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: Fn key right? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: yes | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hum? | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | -community | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:33 |
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| Macer | hm | 22:34 |
| Macer | do people still use tar for actual backing up? | 22:34 |
| Macer | i have to xfer an entire fbsd system over to a new one | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | i do occasionally | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | the Mer snapshots are too.. | 22:36 |
| Macer | yah? i need to start working on getting fbsd off the dual p3 and put it on the esxi box | 22:36 |
| harbaum | lcuk: Ad-Hoc really is a bad idea | 22:37 |
| Macer | making 2 fbsd VMs .. one dns and one shell | 22:37 |
| lcuk | harbaum, doesnt cause me problems and allows completely free roaming with my cloud of machines | 22:37 |
| Macer | harbaum: i have to use adhoc for my G1 | 22:37 |
| Macer | it works rather well | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | whether at home or work or in a hotel or anywhere i can connect | 22:38 |
| Macer | as a matter of fact.. i am on it now | 22:38 |
| harbaum | ad-hoc is being hacked within seconds | 22:38 |
| Macer | well.. adhoc is the only way i can tether my G1 ;) | 22:38 |
| lcuk | harbaum, so hack me | 22:39 |
| * benson iz in ur ad-hok snifin ur paketz | 22:39 | |
| Macer | haha | 22:39 |
| harbaum | as long as you don't have to pay the bill and don't care about your data | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | they can have the internet connection - oh wait, sorry its just my machines | 22:39 |
| Macer | you're going to sniff my ssh pkts? :) | 22:39 |
| * lcuk renames his adhoc to "free internet" | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | heh yeah macer, i forgot thats how i actually connect as well | 22:39 |
| benson | Name it "Free Public WiFi" -- then nobody connects. | 22:40 |
| Macer | haha | 22:40 |
| lcuk | everybody connects at least once, thats how it spread | 22:40 |
| harbaum | your dialup is running through ssh? | 22:40 |
| Macer | you can set iptables up on the G1 so that only specific IPs can aaccess it | 22:40 |
| lcuk | dialup? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | oh, you mean the home connection | 22:40 |
| Macer | i'm stil waiting for someone to come out with an AP app for android.. that would fucking own | 22:40 |
| Macer | i'm actually kind of glad i made an xp VM on the esxi box | 22:41 |
| qwerty12-mer | lcuk, btw, liqbase doesn't agree with xsp in mer | 22:41 |
| Macer | now i can rdc and manage it from itself | 22:41 |
| Macer | how ghetto | 22:41 |
| Macer | using a VM to manage esxi :) | 22:42 |
| lcuk | harbaum, i have trouble connecting to my own internet from sitting at the frontdoor with n810, if someone in my living room wants to use the internet they are free to | 22:42 |
| harbaum | ap mode will be interesting for the maemo5 units with hsdpa | 22:42 |
| lcuk | qwerty12-mer, xsp isnt technically a dependency anymore really | 22:42 |
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| benson | lcuk: I can roam my entire apartment with my phone sitting in the window and keep a BT link. | 22:42 |
| benson | My BT is stronger than you WiFi! :P | 22:43 |
| benson | (or my apartment's smaller...) | 22:43 |
| lcuk | my wifi gives me detailed diagnostic zooming liqbase information :P | 22:43 |
| qwerty12-mer | lcuk, yeah, just a heads up | 22:44 |
| harbaum | lcuk, just because your devices don't use proper antennas doesn't mean other people don't use better ones | 22:44 |
| * lcuk curses it cos the lag hasnt gone after a reboot | 22:44 | |
| benson | Maybe something removed your swap file? | 22:44 |
| Macer | harbaum: are they going to allow it to have an ap mode? :) | 22:44 |
| lcuk | nahhh, its code related | 22:44 |
| Macer | that would be awesome | 22:44 |
| harbaum | a nice antenna is the best way to download illegal stuff etc ... | 22:44 |
| benson | Sometimes it seems to forget swap is on, although I haven't had it in months... | 22:45 |
| lcuk | liqbase classic is still slick | 22:45 |
| harbaum | macer, how should they prevent us? | 22:45 |
| Macer | by keeping the wifi driver closed? | 22:45 |
| harbaum | they claim maemo5 will be 100% open | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Ok, ATI85 version 1.2 is now in Extras | 22:46 |
| Macer | harbaum: the same thing was said aboud android and symbian | 22:46 |
| benson | harbaum: No, they don't claim that; they claim it'll be much more open. | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Whoever wanted state preservation and [2nd][on] working, you have got your wishes | 22:46 |
| lcuk | harbaum, wheres the 100% open claim | 22:46 |
| harbaum | ok ... i thought i remembered that ... | 22:46 |
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| benson | They're keeping a bunch of things value-adding differentiators closed, like all their sucky applets. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | i heard much more open and working with the community and transparent process, but never 100% | 22:47 |
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| GAN800 | harbaum, the number is about 80% | 22:47 |
| benson | s/ v/ they call v/ | 22:47 |
| infobot | benson meant: They're keeping a bunch of things they call value-adding differentiators closed, like all their sucky applets. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | and to be honest, that doesnt bother me - im not afraid of closed software/drivers as long as they are actively maintained | 22:48 |
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| Macer | esxi is great | 22:48 |
| Macer | if only they had clients for something other than windows | 22:48 |
| Macer | that's its only drawback | 22:48 |
| harbaum | i'd be willing to use a usb wifi adaptor if that gives me a non-webwashed wlan dialup at work | 22:49 |
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| Macer | and it's lack of hardware support. but i suppose you build around esxi if you're planning to use it | 22:49 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, FN WORKS !!! | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | then what am i doing right now? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: i have no idea why it is working. | 22:49 |
| harbaum | lcuk: the ap mode issue shows pretty well the problem of closed source: You can't do the nifty stuff | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: does it work now too? | 22:51 |
| Meiz_mer | no | 22:51 |
| fireun | "open, and extend" | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | now? | 22:51 |
| Meiz_mer | yes | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | wtf :P | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | but at least it means im going in the right direction with the compile i am doing right now | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | The RX-51's WiFi is open. | 22:52 |
| harbaum | GAN800; What chip? | 22:52 |
| * bef0rd tries ATI85 | 22:52 | |
| GAN800 | A TI model, don't have the number handy. | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | WL1251 | 22:53 |
| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: whoops, i closed the xterm. is the connection still open? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: nop, but im waiting for something to compile anyway | 22:54 |
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| harbaum | there's imho no master mode firmware for the wl1251 :-( | 22:55 |
| GAN800 | What's wrong with Bluetooth PAN? | 22:56 |
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| harbaum | few client devices support bt-pan | 22:56 |
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| GAN800 | Most modern ones do. | 22:57 |
| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps, i'll boot to maemo and go to sleep now, ok? i can leave mer+ssh open too, if you want | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | Real computers will, anyway. | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: nah, its fine - thanks for helping | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | the compile will take a bit and i need to edit a file so | 22:58 |
| Meiz_mer | np, good night | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | Andrewfblack: hello! | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | (on to the next victim..) | 22:58 |
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| Macer | heh | 23:00 |
| harbaum | but a mobile ap is not for normal computers | 23:00 |
| Macer | wow.. this fbsd install is going slow as shit.. 185K from freebsd.org | 23:00 |
| Macer | blah | 23:00 |
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| Macer | maybe that's from me using the xp vm on the same box with rdc | 23:01 |
| harbaum | my cars head unit e.g. can do wifi client but not bt pan client | 23:01 |
| Macer | your car's head unit? haha | 23:02 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/photos/garmin-asus-m20-shows-its-soft-ware-side/1358987/ | 23:03 |
| wazd | looks like there there are absolutely no designers in Korea | 23:03 |
| harbaum | macer, no joke | 23:04 |
| Macer | i'm sure it's not | 23:04 |
| Macer | i just thought it was funny that of all the clients you could think of.. you chose "my car's head unit" | 23:04 |
| Macer | :) | 23:04 |
| wazd | how the hell could such a big vendor as Asus/Garmin make such a dumb icons | 23:04 |
| Macer | that's extremely niche | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | you should see my universitys new logo.. | 23:04 |
| harbaum | building such things is my job | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.au.dk (top left corner) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | now, what does that look like to you. | 23:05 |
| GAN800 | wazd, too bad they're putting out a WinMob version. | 23:06 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, thats the parts of "mer" letters :) | 23:06 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: hahah | 23:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: u :) | 23:06 |
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| Macer | nobody noticed the similarity? | 23:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ofcourse it looks like some part of the body but I'm optimist)) | 23:06 |
| Macer | i bet the logo designer got a good laugh | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i am not kidding.. they put so much money into the new logo | 23:07 |
| Macer | i'm sure they did | 23:07 |
| Macer | i couldn't believe how much money my company paid for a new logo | 23:07 |
| Macer | that looks like a green at&t symbol | 23:07 |
| Macer | what a racket :) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | not even the professors can take this logo seriously :> | 23:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: we have cell-carrier: http://www.mts.ru/upload/images/design/logo4.gif | 23:08 |
| Macer | wtf... my damn vm just kind of stopped on me | 23:09 |
| Macer | damnit... i knew i should have picked a different site than the freebsd.org one | 23:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I bet your university chief's name is Dick xD | 23:09 |
| Macer | either that.. or the hard drive in the box is about to explode | 23:09 |
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| * Stskeeps backs away | 23:10 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i found the bits of the logo that fell off | 23:10 |
| lcuk | they are at the bottom right of the page ;) | 23:10 |
| harbaum | so nothing about the new devices on mwc? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | are we due for some? i thought the roadmap had been released | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i am not kidding, they invented a whole alphabet for this stuff.. | 23:11 |
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| harbaum | i dunno. was it? | 23:11 |
| * RST38h once again notices how he hates the "improved" URL bar in FF3 | 23:11 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: all i can say is that logo puts the ic in .dk :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :D the cool bar - its horrendous | 23:11 |
| Macer | RST38h: me too | 23:11 |
| Macer | i can't stand that crap | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: when the revolution comes, there are some graphics artists who will be put against the wall and shot. | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:12 |
| RST38h | those 5 second delays every time I start typing something there, they are awful | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | i am willing to bet this was some 2 million dkk order that backfired and they thought they just had to use or it would have had been a waste of money.. | 23:12 |
| lcuk | "quick, make it worthwhile, create a font" | 23:13 |
| * timeless sighs | 23:13 | |
| timeless | my e61i can't handle a 4' fall | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: my problem is somewhat the opposite - I've grown too used to it and am lazy with what I type in it and get pissed off when it doesn't show something | 23:13 |
| lcuk | mmm i fscked the mmc again and its working | 23:14 |
| lcuk | i need something a bit more stable to work from, time to buy a new one | 23:14 |
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| * lcuk used to wear out floppies and hard drives | 23:14 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: well, it shows me wrong stuff too, every now and then | 23:14 |
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| RST38h | but delay is the worst "feature" of it | 23:14 |
| timeless | qwerty: what's the name of the theme picker? | 23:15 |
| timeless | or is there some way for me to update and get it? | 23:15 |
| harbaum | lcuk: where's that roadmap? | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless: hildon-theme-selector | 23:15 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless: you can just apt-get it and it'll work | 23:16 |
| Macer | wtf fbsd | 23:16 |
| Macer | fail | 23:16 |
| harbaum | lcuk: that's about software only | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | harbaum, dunno then | 23:19 |
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| * lcuk doesnt care about specific looks yet, we know the guts (beagleboard) and know it will be in a handheld. wont it look like the omap3 tablets we have seen already (on youtube from movial) ??? | 23:21 | |
| timeless | qwerty: yum | 23:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:23 |
| timeless | we should consider supporting gettext ;-) | 23:24 |
| harbaum | btw: the chinook promotion interface is still broken | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | is the chinook builder still broken? | 23:24 |
| harbaum | dunno, last time i tried the armel worked, but i386 was broken | 23:25 |
| harbaum | i really need to release a new version of my osm editor, it damages the osm main database ... | 23:25 |
| harbaum | if only the promotion interface would let me ... | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahh :/. I think, looking the logs of my failed chinook package, the Packages.gz is fubared and the promotion interface gets its info from Packages.gz afaik | 23:26 |
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| harbaum | maybe. it complains about something in the repos not being in gzip format. that may be the packages.gz | 23:28 |
| lcuk | mmm tearing in an odd manner has appeared after being vanished for months | 23:29 |
| * lcuk thinks he foobared his tablet | 23:29 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Blizzard finally given up on you? =) | 23:29 |
| lcuk | not sure whether its how im pushing it, im using all the methods i use normally, but im experiencing things tearing through the xv shm block (i dont write until XV itself tells me it finished sending the data) | 23:30 |
| RST38h | some other app may be interfering? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: maybe the new Xomap changes are disturbing you? | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah its more noticable when charging (updating the icon 25/50/75/100 etc) but its happening even when not charging | 23:32 |
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| * RST38h kinda fixed the url bar | 23:33 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: I would blame the cpu load applet | 23:33 |
| lcuk | have a job to, i dont have that | 23:34 |
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| ssvb | lcuk: what are the frequency scaling settings? | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | ssvb, only ever adjust between ondemand and performance, lemme check current | 23:37 |
| * timeless is wondering how to patchbomb from gmail | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | standard "ondemand" havent adjusted since reboots earlier | 23:37 |
| ssvb | lcuk: tearing is a pretty bad problem when running at low clock frequency as screen updates are very slow | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | ssvb, its fast though most of the time, i just get noticable extreme glitches sometimes - i use the XvShmPutImage with the "raise completion event" and wait until thats back at me before touching the planes | 23:39 |
| ssvb | lcuk: try to enforce 400MHz cpu clock frequency and check if it helps | 23:39 |
| * lcuk runs liqbase | 23:39 | |
| lcuk | absolutely no difference at performance | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone good with HAL and their fdis, here? :P | 23:40 |
| timeless | when you find someone lemme know | 23:41 |
| ssvb | lcuk: do you mean it does not help with tearing? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | ill tinker, because it works smoothly sometimes then has a benny and has horrid effect (first thing it does with a screen rebuild is clear the buffer to black, then draws picture icons or whatever on) sometimes whole images are missing! | 23:41 |
| lcuk | no ssvb, its possible something in my code thats disabling my flag, but very annoying to return now | 23:42 |
| ssvb | lcuk: if your application does not have a consistent high cpu load, cpu clock frequency may scale down sometimes causing horrible tearing | 23:42 |
| lcuk | ssvb, nope, in powersave mode (normal) its great and tearfree | 23:43 |
| lcuk | but then sometimes it tears like a bitch | 23:44 |
| ssvb | lcuk: hmm, it's all very confusing | 23:44 |
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| RST38h | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article5723942.ece | 23:45 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 23:45 |
| ssvb | lcuk: ok, then it is somewhat understandable, in normal mode having heavy tearing is not something unexpected | 23:45 |
| AFBN810 | anyone been able to get Friendscard from garage to install? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | hello AFBN810! | 23:46 |
| ssvb | lcuk: it can be especially confusing if you optimize your application to reduce cpu load | 23:46 |
| lcuk | no ssvb, its very unexpected to tear. (in powersave mode) normally, it runs simply slower, less fps. | 23:46 |
| ssvb | lcuk: and get worse tearing as a result | 23:46 |
| lcuk | still no noticable tearing | 23:46 |
| AFBN810 | Hey Stskeeps | 23:46 |
| lcuk | thats the effect i see | 23:46 |
| lcuk | but then for some reasons occasionally tearing phases in for a few seconds | 23:47 |
| lcuk | like inteference on a tv | 23:47 |
| lcuk | then drifts away again | 23:47 |
| ssvb | lcuk: that probably happens when cpu switches between 165/400 MHz | 23:47 |
| lcuk | i get black and white photos (cos the color planes vanished) | 23:47 |
| ssvb | lcuk: you can easily check it by disabling frequency scaling | 23:47 |
| lcuk | or no photos (cos all vanished!) | 23:47 |
| RST38h | and more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1878462,00.html | 23:48 |
| lcuk | im locked to powersave mode now | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I find this thinking baffling: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=264701&postcount=7 | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Things are obviously related because I think they're related. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | ill look deeper ssvb, its feeling more like the new code. liqbase default cannot visibly reproduce it | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but then again, its doing different stuff | 23:49 |
| ssvb | lcuk: try 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active' for 400MHz | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: isn't it going to be wonderful when we can just point to a control panel applet? .. | 23:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yes. | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it'll just be replaced by something else. | 23:49 |
| ssvb | lcuk: and 'echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 3 > /sys/power/op_active' for 165MHz | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe, yes :P | 23:50 |
| lcuk | ssvb, ok, but wont powersave and perofrmance do that? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | performance | 23:50 |
| ssvb | lcuk: have no idea | 23:50 |
| ssvb | lcuk: but this is guaranteed to work | 23:51 |
| lcuk | its always appeared to, in powersave i get much less fps in a stable locked at one speed manner | 23:51 |
| lcuk | same in performance, but lots of fps | 23:51 |
| lcuk | in ondemand it does the changes | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I wish experienced users would be more specific about what order you should setup ad-block and install BattleGweled in." | 23:51 |
| RST38h | General: he is a newbie and he is in a defensive mode now | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: after spending time on iTT you long back to the bookstore or how was it you work(ed before)? :P | 23:52 |
| RST38h | General: give him some slack | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, RogerS? | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | He butted into the thread. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's not the OP. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | no ssvb, still same with the tweaks | 23:52 |
| lcuk | ill check in code | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sometimes. | 23:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though at least here there's no expectance of good customer service. :P | 23:53 |
| lcuk | thanks though | 23:53 |
| RST38h | General: Well, I see no effective method to flame him in this situation, so it may just be better to ignore =) | 23:53 |
| ssvb | lcuk: ok, do you use default kernel? did you try tweaking any tearing related properties for XV? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I find the mindset baffling is all. ;) | 23:53 |
| lcuk | yeah ssvb, its rock solid stable in old liqbase and it comes and goes in this, ill try and pinpoint it | 23:54 |
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| RST38h | BTW http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/sony-ericsson-idou.jpg | 23:54 |
| RST38h | More and more of these things start looking like the tablet... | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/tablet/iPhone/ | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | star trek padds | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Judging from the number of buttons at the edge, it is rather tablet then iphone | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Padds were iphones all right =) | 23:56 |
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| Stskeeps | a lot of fanboys, or what? | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, they're not grabbing their inspiration from Internet Tablets. | 23:57 |
| RST38h | yea, guess so | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're just not quite as radical as Apple. | 23:57 |
| RST38h | Apple did manage to kick phone industry's collective ass | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | "With an OS based on Symbian, the Idou continues..." <=== wait, WHAT??? | 23:58 |
| Macer | hm | 23:58 |
| RST38h | Sony switching to S60? | 23:58 |
| Macer | ok.. lets see if this fucks up again | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: is it a japanese phone? | 23:58 |
| *** dick-richardson has joined #maemo | 23:58 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: debian lenny release, symbian on SE .. hell freezing over? | 23:59 |
| timeless | i though sony used to use synbian | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | uiq | 23:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: apparently not | 23:59 |
| Macer | i had to start over.. that kinda sucsk.. especially since it was putting the fbsd kernel on .. it was almost finished | 23:59 |
| Macer | wierd | 23:59 |
| dick-richardson | I tried easy-deb-chroot and set the cpu to performance...didn't like it and removed it. the cpu has stayed maxed since...is there a way to reset the cpu scaling? | 23:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: or they would not announce it at MWC | 23:59 |
| Macer | it just kind of stopped on its own and wouldn't keep going | 23:59 |
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