IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-02-14

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t_s_ohmm, did maemo planet just spit out some old blog posts?00:03
lcukNokia N800 firmware upgrade 3.2007.10-700:04
lcukseems likely t_s_o00:04
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t_s_oheh, i checked the linked to blog, and said entry was done in 2007, so whatever made planet peg that as recent...00:05
crashanddiejeremiah: so you're a machine00:06
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crashanddieI knew something wasn't right with you, I knew it from the start00:06
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* lcuk ponders a binary only alpha phase00:10
* lcuk giggles lots as well ;)00:11
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wazdcameraphones has more megapixels than my d-slr(00:14
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aquatixwazd: rest assured00:14
aquatixyour dSLR has a sensor about 20x the size00:14
aquatixat least00:14
lcukcamera envy00:15
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lcukyou have to wonder though how fast these images can be processed and decoded quickly00:15
wazdI remember Onion with "It has more memory and megapixels and other stuff" :)00:16
t_s_oi also question what the use of said photos will be. how often do people enlarge photos past say A4?00:16
* thopiekar can't beleave it that nobody needs streamripper for diablo...00:18
ciroippwell, t_s_o, how oftern people print photos anymore anyway00:18
lcukt_s_o, 5mp is a decent enough res that jpeg losses dont effect it00:18
ciroippthopiekar: I need it00:18
thopiekarwooho the first tester :) I love you00:18
ciroippglad if ill be able00:19
thopiekarthis archive contains all deb you need for streamripper00:19
ciroipp1MB??? :)00:19
thopiekarisn't complicated actually..00:19
thopiekaryes.. too much?00:19
t_s_osadly i guess that MP have become the Hz of digital cameras...00:19
ciroippand how I am supposed to test it if is not compiled?00:20
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wazd_hpwrong button(00:20
lcukmpix and a good lens does help00:20
t_s_olcuk: true, but the lens quality is harder to quantify on a ad sheet ;)00:20
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wazd_hpwell, more mpixels - sharper image00:20
thopiekaris is compiled for armel.. just ready to install.. the problem is that I can'T test the packages because my n800 is in a repair shop...00:21
ciroippthere is everything inside that tar00:21
lcukwazd_hp, no - more mp == bigger images == slower loading (without hardware accel) == more sales of big mem cards00:21
thopiekaryes :|00:21
thopiekaryes :)00:21
ciroippgive me 2 minutes00:22
t_s_oseems my tablet has suddenly lost all ability to play sounds...00:22
wazd_hplcuk: no) more mp = sharper imaes on same format00:22
lcukno, you could have all the mp in the world and still come out with crap blurry images because the backend hardware (and lens) are crap00:23
thopiekarjust remember to make a dictionary in the music-files folder or anywhere else and then point the ripped files there by "streamripper -d /output-folder/where/every/you/want IP:PORT"00:23
thopiekarciroipp: ok thanks anyway00:23
wazd_hplcuk: I'm comparing same hardware with mp difference00:24
lcukthe camera on n8x0 proves that.  there are MUCH better cameras with same resolution00:24
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wazd_hpluck: I'm not telling than mp is all you need00:24
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wazd_hplcuk: I'm telling that more megapixels - sharper image. It's a fact)00:24
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wazd_hplcuk: you can make blurry shot with 50mpx digital back :)00:25
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ciroippno success installing from the application manager, trying with the $00:25
lcukwazd_hp, hehe i do - often00:26
* lcuk is bad behind the camera00:26
t_s_ogah, restarting esd changed nothing, so whats going on...00:26
thopiekarwhat is the message of the application manager?00:26
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MaceN800my picoups came in today but im stuck at work00:26
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wazd_hplcuk: the fact is that the most important thing that affects your photos are your hands00:27
thopiekarps: if application manager says that libmad or something else is missing just install it with the extracted deb of the tar..00:27
wazd_hplcuk: I know people that can take awesome photos with matchbox with pinhole)00:27
lcukagreed on that wazd, i shake all over00:27
lcukpinhole camera rock!¬00:28
MaceN800want to go home and install it00:28
wazd_hplcuk: all this technical stuff just makes it easy to average user00:28
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wazd_hplcuk: on cameraphones megapixels are pure marketing shit)00:29
wazd_hplcuk: same as "Carl Ceiss lens" stuff))00:30
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lcukx41same for cameras in general00:30
aquatixcarl zeiss is pure hype nowadays00:30
lcukx41shat! i left the nokia on the other side of the room00:30
aquatixit has a special coating by carl zeiss but not a carl zeiss glass? "carl zeiss lense!$$$"00:30
wazdlcukx41: no, megapixels are important, I've already said why :)00:30
lcukx41cant be arsed gettin up thou00:30
aquatixlcukx41: :)00:31
wazdlcukx41: but not for tiny cams :)00:31
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t_s_ohmm, any way to reset the dsp without rebooting?00:31
lcukx41lardman would know for certain, cant you just reboot?00:32
wazdI wish engeneers will cut off a piece of some mature dslr sensor and it will make nice 3mpx photos :)00:32
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lcukx41wazd, having a large sensor needs a large aperture and a decent lens00:32
wazdlcukx41: it won't be large00:33
wazdlcukx41: it will be very good quality00:33
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lcukx41not if theres not a lot of light entering it wont00:33
lcukx41larger sensor pads need more light to get better s2n00:34
lcukx41big dslr cameras have large apertures and big lenses for a reason00:34
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wazdlcukx41: wait I'll show yA00:34
MaceN800via should mzke a quad arm ststem that is like the artigo00:34
MaceN800or nokia heh00:35
lcukx41MaceN800: beagleboard?00:36
MaceN800they make one? =)00:36
lcukx41dunno about the quad stuff but its powered up a fair number of desktop systems00:37
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t_s_ohrmf, seems sound works, only it do not like using speakers...00:41
lcukx41t_s_o: bad cable?00:42
t_s_ofm radio driving me nuts apparently00:42
t_s_oseems that if i got it tuned to a channel and then bumped it to use speakers, everything works again...00:42
lcukx41how bizarre00:43
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t_s_oi wonder if boafm shuts down the hardware correctly on exit btw...00:44
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wazdlcukx41: Let's say 35mm is 21.1 mpx now (Canon 5d)00:45
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wazdlcukx41: Xi is cameraphone sensor size00:45
qwerty12_N800t_s_o: 'dbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller' to enable speaker outside of boafm00:45
t_s_othanks qwerty12_N80000:45
wazdlcukx41: let's just cut off the size of xi from 5D sensor00:45
wazdlcukx41: it will be about 2mpx but with outstanding iso range and overall quality00:46
t_s_othing is tho, that i had not touched boafm or the radio applet for atleast 24 hours, this silly machine just decided that it didnt want to play sounds thru speakers any more...00:46
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lcukx41wazd: that 2mpix sensor would be in relative darkness for the duration of the image though, it would have bad s2n00:47
lcukx41to use larger pads you need mroe light00:47
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lcukx41or longer exposure (which leads to blurry)00:48
wazdlcukx41: with larger pixel size it will be MORE sensitive than the current ones00:48
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wazdlcukx41: with less noise00:48
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lcukx41if what you are getting at is comparing an already 5mpixel camera with a mythical 2.5mpix camera using the same aperture and occupying the same space then yeah it will, but you get similar results by just interpolating the 5mpix ;)00:50
t_s_obut then i got the radio applet fired up, tuned to a channel and toggled between speakers and headset, and back it came...00:50
lcukx41the radio needs antenna thing doesnt it00:51
lcukx41at least on gfs old phone it did00:51
lcukx41plug in headphones to use radio00:51
t_s_oyep, it uses the headset00:51
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t_s_olcukx41: thing is, it was not that radio didnt have sound, nothing had sound. and no amount of restarts of esd, mediaplayer-daemon or anything else i could think of related to sounds (outside of a full system reboot) helped00:52
t_s_oand it was playing desktop feedback sounds maybe a hour or two before that, so i just wonder what triggered it...00:53
lcukx41ahhh v strange00:53
t_s_oindeed, close to windows strange00:53
t_s_oin that the simple act of flipping sound output in the radio applet fixed it, while nothing else did00:54
lcukx41heh @ windows strange00:54
lcukx41linux isnt that different, often its easier to reboot than to diagnose :P00:54
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t_s_omaybe so00:55
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t_s_oespecially ones dbus gets its connections in a twist00:55
lcukx41depends on frustration level, i tend to follow things as far as i can then hit a wall of knowledge00:56
* lcukx41 wouldnt understand dbus00:56
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t_s_othe reason i said "windows strange" is because i got reminded about a app i used that suddenly had the habit of triggering some tray apps menu when it got started, with the app and the tray app being fully unrelated00:58
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lcukx41t_s_o: ewww sounds odd indeed, but in windows world, that happens all the time :: norton av always bobs up at work when i try stuff01:00
lcukx41it told me today it was a security risk to allow an inbound vnc connection01:00
t_s_oheh, its technically right ;)01:00
lcukx41"intrusion detection: the user would like to maliciously show you their desktop"01:00
t_s_ough, now thats the wrong way to present it tho...01:01
lcukx41they said vnc inbound was some master hack attack01:01
lcukx41i explicitely gave out my ip and the remote user sent me their screen01:01
* lcukx41 has done this now for years01:01
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lcukx41i can understand it blocking outbound vnc stuff, but inbound was a wtf01:02
t_s_omaybe there have been instances of blind remote controlls or something, using the inbound connection?01:03
lcukx41whoosh, i told it to eff off anyway01:04
* lcukx41 hates norton01:04
lcukx41i disabled ids completely whilst i sorted out my user, then made sure it was allowed01:04
t_s_oand these days using any kind of well known security package is a invite to have it disabled by the next trojan wave anyways...01:05
lcukx41its the blind faith others have in it that worries me more01:05
* lcukx41 would *prefer* secure by default01:05
lcukx41asking questions about why you need to be protected and queriing what is running on your machine01:06
bef0rdyou should remove norton!01:06
t_s_o <- this sounds like some kind of sci-fi thing01:06
lcukx41bef0rd: company policy01:06
bef0rdevil :<01:06
t_s_olcukx41: and then you have some kind of rootkit sneak past you and embed itself behind the os...01:07
lcukx41:) there are many worse policies in the world01:07
t_s_owas there not some special file names that windows would not display in any listing?01:07
lcukx41t_s_o: if you have nothing open nothing can slip past01:07
t_s_olcukx41: good luck with that...01:07
lcukx41t_s_o: yeah, the sony rootkit gave that option01:07
lcukx41t_s_o: i said "prefer"01:07
t_s_omore like a utopian dream but then im a bit pesimistic about these things01:08
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lcukx41do you run a virus checker on linux?01:08
lcukx41on maemo?01:08
t_s_othere is always the old joke about encasing the computer in concrete and putting it at the bottom of the ocean01:08
t_s_onope, but then im guessing that linux on arm will be such a obscure target for the time being that it will not be needed01:09
lcukx41arm on x86 then?01:09
lcukx41do you have alinux desktop01:09
t_s_oyep, and i have clamav here somewhere...01:09
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lcukx41isnt that for mail stuff to remove windows viruses?01:10
* lcukx41 might be wrong01:10
t_s_ocan be used to scan local files to, but no real time scan01:10
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lcukx41so no "live" protection?01:11
t_s_otho most of my software downloads are source, not binary, and there is a firewall in my router...01:12
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lcukx41source can still be dody01:12
t_s_oand the distro im using is somewhat minimal in what it starts up01:12
lcukx41which returns to what i said up there ^01:12
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lcukx41anyway, im goin for a bit, head hurting and stomach churning01:13
lcukx41catch ya later t_s_o01:13
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t_s_owhats the joke about a secure computer again, unplugged network and power, encased in concrete and put on the bottom of the ocean, patroled by heavily armed and well payed guards?01:13
lcukx41sharks *01:13
lcukx41with laser beams01:14
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guakahi, I'm trying to cross compile schism tracker for maemo, but it kinda stops at "/usr/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:44:60: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory"01:15
t_s_omissing mesa?01:15
guakainside my scratchbox apt-cache search mesa or opengl doesn't give my anything... are there any repos I can add to sources.list?01:16
_userthe stuff under the maps directory on the internal memory card can be deleted, right? That is, it can be re-downloaded later, right?01:17
crashanddieguaka, check your library path01:19
crashanddieguaka, find /usr/include -name GL/gl.h01:20
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crashanddieguaka, also there's a very good reason no-one developped OpenGL libraries for Maemo: IT SUCKS01:20
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guaka_user, yeah, I'm not 100% sure but I think I've deleted that before, it will just create new one - just make a backup first01:21
guakacrashanddie, there's no gl.h in my /scratchbox ... I found this:  but it's from 200701:22
guakafor bora01:22
_userI can't make a backup of it, as I've no place to put it; the dir is 1.7GiB large.01:22
crashanddieguaka, then you have your answer, only OpenGL ES exists, and that's pretty much shite. We don't have the drivers to access the PowerVR chip, so there's pretty much no OpenGL support01:23
_userWhich is why I want to lose it01:23
crashanddie_user, yes, you can delete it without a problem01:23
guakamaybe there's a way to compile schism without opengl, I don't think it really needs it, it could do with just sdl I think01:24
Stskeepsoh friggen yes. a movie with alyson hannigan in it.01:24
Stskeepssometimes it is good to be at a place with a TV.01:24
_usercrashanddie, thanks01:25
lcukStskeeps, movies of alyson hannigan are old hat, since buffy stopped shes been doing personal visits to peoples houses01:25
_usercrashanddie, also: Is there a way to restore my n810 device to its factory defaults?01:26
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* lcuk shwings @ alyson anyway01:26
crashanddie_user, it's called "flashing", yes01:26
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crashanddie_user, though, the "Internal Memory Card" won't be set back to factory defaults01:26
lcukdisaster zone: i have no bread01:26
crashanddie_user, only the root partition is affected by flashes01:26
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crashanddielcuk, who wouldn't suck her blood or stake her:
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_userYeah , I gotchya. So if I mess things up good, which is a fair possibility, I can clean up the mess through flashing01:28
_userRock on01:28
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* lcuk doesnt suck blood, ill wait a week01:30
rzr 1234567890day countdown started01:30
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crashanddie_user, yeah, historically, we had to flash in order to upgrade to new versions, though now we can get software only updates01:30
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lcukbrb food01:31
jaemhappy unix new year!!!!!01:32
FireFox30o ??01:32
crashanddieoh right, that's today, isn't it?01:32
crashanddiesaw the story on slashdot this week01:32
FireFox3unix new year?01:32
crashanddieyup, 4 minutes the unix timestamp hit 123456789001:33
crashanddies/minutes/minutes ago/01:33
infobotcrashanddie meant: yup, 4 minutes ago the unix timestamp hit 123456789001:33
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MaceN800i feel like shit01:51
MaceN800think i'm kind of sick01:51
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StskeepsApple recently told the U.S. Copyright Office that it believes iPhone jailbreaking is a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and infringes on its copyright, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation02:59
Stskeepswell, aren't you happy for your tablets now?02:59
ds3no I am not :P going from full battery to 0 battery in 2 minute makes one rather upset :/03:01
Stskeepsmm, admittedly there are some cases where i wonder wtf happened, when it comes to battery too03:03
Stskeepsbut it doesn't change my happiness about that i can do whatever hell i want to my tablet03:03
tank-manthis news makes a big grin appear on my face03:03
MacerStskeeps: hahaha03:03
Macerhow is jailbreaking an infringment? :)03:04
Macerthey don't re-engineer the phoe or like.. copy it03:04
Macerthey just break it open03:04
Macerthat's like someone putting new tires on a car being sued for copyright infringement03:05
* Stskeeps hugs his tablet03:05
* nomis ominously notes that Macer apparently changes the tires on his car himself.03:08
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Stskeepsif we are really going towards pervasive computing, tablets and displays in the home must be re-purposable. wouldn't you be pissed if your tablet were locked to a specific provider of apps?03:10
Stskeepser, table, not tablet.03:10
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benson[away]Stskeeps: I would be, for either tablet or table. ;)03:14
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ds3that's why you don't take the bait03:15
Macernomis: didn't know tire changing was that complicated03:15
Maceranyays.. i'm out.. ater03:15
ds3the iPhone is a POS03:15
Stskeepsds3: i am not touching an iPhone personally03:15
ds3Stskeeps: I can see one reason to go with an iPhone - the cap. touch screen03:17
ds3other then that it has a crappy processor, POS OS, and ....03:18
wazdsure, aifone is a stupit goddamn piece of shit :)03:20
wazdWho cares bout crappiness of the processor if it does what it should do?03:21
tank-manif the iphone was free i'd take it, i like free drugs03:21
wazdPalm Pilot had crappy cpu, so what03:21
ds3some of us get tired of waiting on a pegged out CPU03:21
wazdis there any device where you don't need to wait?03:21
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ds3being able to get processing power when needed and having a long battery life when the processing power is not needed is essential03:22
ds3iphone fails.03:22
wazdNokia 3210 had super low end cpu and it's a legend03:22
wazdAnd it did only one task03:23
wazdat a time)03:23
wazdAnd I repeat my question, is there any device on the market that you don't need to wait for?03:24
Stskeepswazd: yeah, - it was immensely popular cos it got introduced in the same time as the huge wave of teenager cellphone use surged, it wasnt horribly expensive and it filled the need for sms & talk :P03:24
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wazdIt's too easy to talk like "aw, this crap haz crap and crap, and so other crap, crap"03:25
wazdIf it's a crap - then what's not crap03:26
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wazdYou totally can dislike it, but you can't say that aifone is a crap, cause it isn't03:26
wazdStskeeps: it became popular cause it became popular you mean :)03:28
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wazdStskeeps: how would anything can became popular if it not fits the tastes of majority?)03:28
Stskeepswazd: mm03:30
* Stskeeps is writing on his first blog post on Mer design choices03:30
* wazd is in the shelter :D03:31
wazd <- that's fun)03:33
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b-mangreat video :D03:36
jaemwazd: a webcomic I read has a spaceship with a computer powered by unused clock cycles stolen from the past... maybe that could help :P03:36
jaemand as for the "ifone", they're different from the "iPhone", primarily because most of their specs have a parenthetical "manufacturer claims" after them on DX03:37
jaembut they're cheap!03:37
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ds3no, there are no perfect devices03:45
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jaemoh by the way... if anyone here heard me going on about the "issues" with my N810 the other day, that's all taken care of03:48
jaemthe warrantied unit that was being held for ransom by UPS is being returned to Nokia, and Nokia Canada is sending me a new unit03:48
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hellwolfis there any good pool game on maemo03:50
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sandmanWould anyone possibly know why the internal memory card would say it only have 1.1GiB available, when if you run du on /media/mmc2 it only says 100MiB?04:04
sandman1.8GiB - 100MiB != 1.1GiB, you know?04:05
sandmanAnd I simply cannot figure out wtf is occupying the space04:05
ds3du == list the space used04:05
ds3df shows the amount free and used04:06
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sandmanI know that04:07
sandmandf shows that 700 MB is being used04:07
sandmandu shows that 100 is being used04:08
ds3sorry, misunderstood your q04:08
sandmanThere's a bunch of space completely missing from my internal memory card04:08
ds3tried getting to mount/remount? i.e. pop open door and reclose it04:08
sandmanls -a doesn't show anything04:08
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sandmands3: This is the built-in memory card04:08
sandmanCan't take it out, afaik04:08
sandmanlol =)04:09
ds3restart then04:09
sandmanI did, but I'll do it again just for the heck of it04:09
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ds3when one sees mmc, one automtically think removeable media ;)04:09
sandmanIt makes sense04:09
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sandmanstill missing04:11
ds3you just did du or something more specific like du -sk .?04:11
sandmanWell, du -sk shows the same thing04:13
sandmanI just did that now04:13
ds3with or w/o the '.'?04:13
ds3and are you root?04:13
sandmanWithout the .04:13
sandmanI ran du -sk /media/mmc204:13
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sandmanI take it I'm not going to find out04:17
ds3other things I'd check is if it has partitions but what does df think it has free/available?04:18
sandmanDF says: /dev/mmcblk0p1     1922972     904332     1018640     47%     /media/mmc204:20
sandmanfirst column is, of course, devnode. 2nd is 1k blocks, 3rd is used, 4th is available, 5 is % used04:20
ds3df thinsk you have 1.9G total, ~900M used and roughly 1G free04:20
sandmanBut there's only 100MiB worth of files on it04:21
sandmanls -a doesn't reveal a thing04:21
sandmandu /media/mmc2 says 100MiB04:21
sandmanThere's 800M that supposedly being used, but isn't04:21
ds3this is curious04:21
ds3what fs is this? ext3?04:22
ds3wonder if it is time to do a fsck on it04:22
sandman/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8)04:23
sandmanAlright. But I don't have a fsck binary04:23
ds3fsck/chkdsk is what I'd do next04:24
ds3otherwise, I donno what to account for that lost space04:24
sandmanI suppose I need to get my hands on a root terminal04:25
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ds3Oh you are non root04:25
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sandmanIs rootsh a good one to use?04:26
ds3no idea, I enable it through flasher04:26
bef0rdyes rootsh04:27
bef0rdis recommended04:27
infobot[root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.04:27
infoboti guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here:
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sandmanCan I fsck a vfat while its in use?04:29
bef0rdhmm Windows allows to 'scandisk' it04:30
bef0rdwhy don't you unmount it first?04:30
sandmanBecause I'm using it for swap04:31
sandmanAnd it's the internal one04:31
bef0rdoh, disable swap04:31
bef0rddid you format the internal mmc when your n810 arrived?04:31
bef0rdsome n810 had an error on the partition table04:32
sandmanNo, I didn't04:32
bef0rdthere was a bug about it at bugzilla, I think its fixed now ..04:32
bef0rdlet me search, I had to do it with mine04:32
sandmanCan't umount /media/mmc204:33
sandmanIt's in use04:33
sandmanI disabled the swap, too04:33
MaceN800damn artigo isn't going to get here til thursday.. that's what i get for paying for ups ground04:35
MaceN800$35 for a 4lb box04:35
MaceN800what the hell is the world coming to? :)04:35
MaceN800i mean cmon ups.. gas prices are down04:36
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sandmancan't format the memory card from file manager, either04:38
sandmansays it's in use04:38
bef0rdnot sure if its included04:40
ds3or "fuser -m /media/mmc2"04:40
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sandmanfuser -m /media/mmc2 returns nothing04:45
sandmanThe last nokia I bought came with a broken touch screen04:45
sandmanSo I had to return it. That was fun.04:46
sandmanNow this one apparently has a broken internal memory card.04:46
sandmanGreat. I wonder how many times I have to order this thing in order to get a functional one04:46
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ds3fewer then the number of units ever produced? :D04:48
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sandmanSo basically this thing is broken. Right?04:49
ds3not enough info to say conclusively04:49
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bef0rdsandman, if its just a partition table problem, repartitioning it will fixi t04:54
bef0rdsandman, check this
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Xamuskis the problem with the update messing with hardware keys a known one?05:29
Xamuskit got my N800 to the point I'm not able to reflash it anymore05:29
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johnxwhat problem with hardware keys?05:32
Proteousthe one where you drop your nokia in the toilet 4 times and the hardware keys stop working05:33
ProteousYou'd think that just washing it off with bleach would fix it05:33
Proteousbut it doesn't05:33
blackest_mambaWhat is a fair price for an N80005:33
Proteousbut only if you are selling it to me05:34
blackest_mambaSure, I'll send it to you, then you send me the check.  No problem05:34
blackest_mambaWhat is your address?05:34
Xamuskmy N800's hardware keys were messed up after the last upgrade05:34
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Proteouswhat does "messed up" mean?05:35
Proteouskeys poped off?05:35
infobotProteous meant: keys popped off?05:35
Xamuskno, some aren't working and some are working as if they were another key05:36
Xamuskand sound sometimes doesn't work too05:36
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johnxdid you run out of space?05:37
XamuskI have to take the battery out of it to turn off, because the power button isn't working and using halt from the terminal makes the same as reboot05:37
dphillip314sorry caps lock05:37
Xamuskdphillip314, yes, that too05:37
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dphillip314if it was caused by a bad flash but the power button and swap button don't work, it would be tough to reflash05:38
Xamuskit wasn't caused by a reflash05:39
b-manXamusk: sounds like a cable attaching the keys to the logic board on your n800 might have gotten disconnected or damaged - but that's just a guess05:39
Xamuskthe system is working mostly fine (with touchscreen)05:39
Xamuskb-man, yeah, I'm starting to consider opening it up05:40
jaemsandman: accessing the MMC can be finnicky sometimes - it often remounts itself right away05:40
jaemI wouldn't assume it's broken yet05:40
b-manXamusk: just be careful ;)05:41
Xamuskwell, I don't see many alternatives now05:41
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b-manhave you poped off the faceplate before?05:41
* jaem Googles boardshots05:42
Xamuskbut I have a video of someone disassembling it... don't remember where it came from though05:42
jaem...oh Google.... I did /not/ mean "boardshoRts"05:42
* b-man looks for that n800 disassembly guide05:42
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Xamuskdamn! I almost got a flash working :(05:45
dphillip314i almost got maemo sdk working05:46
dphillip314un 7 zipping vmware image05:46
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XamuskI managed to do a reflash, but the buttons are still bad05:52
luke-jrcan I host VPS off my N810? :D05:52
rm_youirc said i had like 8 highlighted messages from GAN80005:52
XamuskI guess that's a hardware problem then05:52
rm_youbut i don't see them05:52
rm_youah well05:52
b-manXamusk: :(05:53
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dphillip314my laptop doesn't like the xorg.conf in the maemo sdk vmware image ... oh well, time to mess with it05:55
tonyyarussoIn the Control Panel > About screen I have Version: 5.2008.43.7.  Is this the most recent?05:58
dphillip314just downloaded the same05:58
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skibur1any chess apps for n800?06:58
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fireunskibur1: chesspark! (:06:59
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skibur1where is it?
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fireunactually, I dont know if it works, its browser based07:01
fireunbut if you wanna play chess, its a great place to go07:01
skibur1o ok.  thanks07:02
Macermy shuttle k45 :) the picoPSU... is great compared to the stock psu07:04
Macerpretty happy i bought the atx extension cable because otherwise it wouldn't have reached heh07:04
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jrayhawk_I've noticed Hildon has stopped attempting to manage normal X11 windows; they can't be fullscreened or selected in the application switching dialogues. Is there a way to make that happen? Some sort of application wrapper.08:55
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jrayhawk_Oh, supposedly powerlaunch will do what I want.09:10
Macerfound a usb wifi adapter for my artigo :)09:15
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tonyyarussois extras the only repo to add?09:17
tonyyarussoI saw some apps online that aren't showing in the app browser, and I'm not sure why.09:18
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AddisonGreetings all!  :)09:31
Meiz_merhi Addison :)09:31
AddisonHey!  How are ya Meiz?09:31
AddisonBenson!   You there buddy?09:32
Meiz_merfine, how are you?09:32
AddisonNot sure Meiz, want to sit down and talk about it?  *lol*09:32
AddisonSo, anything exciting going on tonight there Meiz?09:33
Meiz_meri am trying to wake up09:34
Meiz_mernothing special09:34
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AddisonSo anyone left here that's still conscious?09:51
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AddisonHey, I think I realized why no one seemed to respond earlier.  My internet connection crapped on me.10:05
AddisonSo did anyone speak up or is this chat room dead for the night?10:06
tonyyarussoAddison: pretty dead10:07
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tonyyarussowhere would I get kernel-diablo-modules-* ?10:13
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gnutonHi there10:42
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1211:01
qwerty12hey Stskeeps11:01
* Stskeeps ponders what to do to mer before release tomorrow11:04
qwerty12party? :)11:05
t_s_ohaving a bit of fun with caps, qwerty12? ;)11:05
Stskeepsmm, not a bad idea11:05
qwerty12t_s_o, hum? :)11:06
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t_s_oyour join message looked like this: has joined #maEMO11:08
qwerty12ah :P11:08
Stskeepst_s_o: yeah.. freenode is silly like that11:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, nah, it's set on my side :P11:09
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, i am just wondered why they don't use chptr->chname and instead using the user given parameter..11:11
qwerty12ah :). The good thing is that if I accidentally change the topic, it doesn't affect the rest of you :)11:12
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Stskeepswb meiz11:22
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: morning11:23
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i just uploaded Xmodmap for nordic-n810:s11:24
Stskeepsi wonder if it is simply a matter of xkb differences11:24
Stskeepstimeless: are there different xkb layouts for different n810 kbd models?11:26
qwerty12Stskeeps, does the session bus in dbus work?11:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: it should, we launch it11:27
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: how about having xmodmap files for many languages in usr/share/n810-slideout-kbd/ and then something to change between them11:27
qwerty12Stskeeps, getting:
StskeepsMeiz_n810: mm, maybe, we need to find a better solution at least11:28
qwerty12oh wait, wrong message, I had system in there11:28
qwerty12Stskeeps, real message:
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Stskeepslemme see11:29
Stskeepsqwerty12: i have a dbus -session at least11:30
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Stskeepson x8611:31
qwerty12Stskeeps, I'm on x86 and I don't: :/11:32
Stskeepsmight be fixed in 0.8 then, i will give you a vmdk later i guess11:32
Stskeepsor see if you have any waiting updates11:32
qwerty12yeah, just ran dbus-daemon --session manually and I'm still getting the same message. so I'm heading for the dist-upgrade11:34
* Stskeeps tries to get sound on x8611:37
udovdhdoes the os2008 wifi driver for n810 support packet injection?11:37
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Stskeepsdon't think so11:38
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qwerty12Stskeeps, to keep my sanity, I may make it a personal mission to get open-vm-tools working in x86 :)(11:38
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Stskeepsah, vmware tools11:42
qwerty12Stskeeps, after dist-upgrading, still not working. I'll add it in anyway for when it does work.11:44
qwerty12the command that is11:44
Stskeepsverify start-hildon looks ok11:44
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qwerty12In what way?11:45
Stskeepswell that it actually does launch dbus-session --daemon11:45
qwerty12nay, just dbus-launch --exit-with-session11:45
qwerty12and that's exported as a variable11:46
wazdhello everybody)11:46
qwerty12hi wazd11:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: hmm11:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: that doesn't make a dbus session?11:46
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qwerty12Not on this system :). according to that command, "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID=3191" so I run ps 3191 and get nothing back11:47
Stskeepswhat does your set say?11:47
Stskeepstry replacing it with if test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ; then ## if not found, launch a new one eval 'dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session' echo "D-Bus per-session daemon address is: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS"11:48
Stskeepsthe example in here, replace start-hildons dbus-launch with that11:48
qwerty12done, rebooting11:49
Stskeepswhile it does, happen to know what adds the maemo extras to HAM in maemo?11:50
Stskeepsthe disabled one11:50
qwerty12maemo-extras-domain in catalogue repo. Wouldn't be hard for me to make a "open" package if you want it11:50
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Stskeepsyeah, it would be nice11:51
Stskeepsjust so people can start seeing what the seams are11:51
lcukif i setup an sshfs from my normal ubuntu desktop and go into the remote liqbase folder from the context of ubuntu, can i just build the package using normal ubuntu tools, or do i need scratchbox for that?11:51
qwerty12Stskeeps, no, I lied, it's nokia-repository. maemo-extras-domain contains the gpg keys. I can remake nokia-repository with just extras?11:53
lcukor is this something mer has by default.. :D11:53
qwerty12lcuk, think it'll work but remember that you'll be building for x86 if you do so11:54
lcukcrap! thats the reason why i cant do that11:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, i guess so (extras)11:55
qwerty12lcuk, actually, I just remembered, it'll also build against the ubuntu libraries which are much newer than the tablet's... a sbox or building it on device is your best bet11:55
qwerty12Stskeeps, k11:55
Stskeepsqwerty12: i still insist you should set up a paypal donation box or something :P11:56
lcukqwerty12, i build on device normally, but dpkg-buildpackage is a brainf*ck in normal maemo11:56
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Stskeepslcuk: one of my main reasons why i wanted to make mer :P11:56
lcukStskeeps, would my use case work in mer11:56
Stskeepsyes, dpkg-buildpackage is possible on device11:56
Stskeepsbut you would build for mer not maemo11:57
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qwerty12Stskeeps, nope, dbus session bus still not launching. I'll add the command that displays the theme changed message in the hope it will work or already works for everyone else but me :)12:01
qwerty12lcuk, yes? :)12:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: mm, check .xsession-errors12:01
lcukany chance you are passing through oldham in the next few days with a nokia approved n800 usb lead :D12:02
Stskeepslcuk: don't you have some digital camera?12:02
lcukyeah why?12:02
* lcuk has 212:02
Stskeepslook at the cable, it is often similar to the n800 one12:02
qwerty12lcuk, the likely-o-meter is registering 0 :P12:02
lcukStskeeps, all custom cables, ive got 1 usb cable which *works* with n800, i can see data and copy stuff from desktop to n800 when its all booted to desktop12:03
lcukbut nothing ever detects when its in flash mode12:03
qwerty12Stskeeps, "process 3512: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == NULL || _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 1073." - only dbus thing12:03
Stskeepsqwerty12: damnit12:03
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* lcuk makes liqcalendar windowed in normal maemo desktop12:04
qwerty12~lart perl12:07
* infobot does a little 'dpkg -P perl' action12:07
* Stskeeps generates a snap6 for consumption laer12:12
Stskeepsvmdk, n800 images in 2 hours i hope12:12
thopiekar*** For these, who are getting crazy when using scratchbox1 because there are system modification needed.. sb_fix is your friend ;) .. greetings ***12:15
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Stskeepslo meiz12:19
StskeepsMeiz_mer: will have an image for you to attempt later if its ok12:19
Stskeepsneed to verify the n810 fix12:19
udovdhshould apt-get work out of the box?12:26
udovdhor does it need configuring to make it go?12:27
qwerty12if you have root access, then yes12:27
udovdhE: Couldn't find package wirelesstools12:27
udovdhis what an apt-get install gives12:27
udovdhI can reach the internet OK12:27
udovdhis the packagename wrong?12:28
qwerty12Firstly, it's wireless-tools &
thopiekarqwerty12: but there is a package called wirelesstools, too..12:28
udovdhwireles-tools gives similar error12:28
thopiekar... usually when using all repos from gronmayer..12:29
thopiekaror how ever it is called12:29
udovdhsources.list is 0 bytes12:29
thopiekar-$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list12:31
thopiekarfor a quick view...12:31
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qwerty12Stskeeps, can you delete hildon-theme-selector? I've got a version in which a notification is displayed and osso-pick-theme is only ran once12:33
thopiekarlooks like spam, isn't it ^^12:35
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udovdhusing the Installation info from
udovdhdoes not make apt-get work12:36
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Stskeepsqwerty12: eating, but yes12:38
udovdhthat repositry is down?12:38
qwerty12Stskeeps, ah, lol, no rush :)12:38
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qwerty12Stskeeps, any objections to me marking "Add control panel applet for theme switching" as done?12:43
Stskeepsqwerty12: no objections whatesoever12:44
Stskeepsqwerty12: removed, but next time use dch -i -m :P12:46
qwerty12Stskeeps, will try and remember that :)12:46
Stskeepsits a bitch to remove all those 5 packages :P12:47
qwerty12lol :P12:48
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Stskeepsi plugged in my sony ericsson phone using usb to mer-x86 on my mertop12:51
Stskeepsi think it would have similar results on tablets12:51
qwerty12wicked! My db2012 model doesn't support networking over usb :)12:51
Stskeepsk610i here12:51
Stskeepsqwerty12: i am charging my cell and i was surprised to see network manager connected12:52
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qwerty12Yeah, W810, with it's old db2012 platform compared to k610 and it's db2020 platform :)12:52
Stskeepshm, thought w810 was newer than k610i12:53
* thopiekar thought about an frontend for mer based on enlightenment..12:53
Stskeepsthopiekar: if you can write it, sure :P12:53
jaemMer is looking good :D12:53
thopiekarindeed just a app in front of the window manager of mer...12:54
thopiekarthe only thing that make me crazy is that there are no enlightenment blindings for python on ubuntu.. packages like python-ecore, etc -.-"12:55
qwerty12They were done by indt for the maemo platform specially iirc12:56
udovdhwhich repository has aircrack or aircrak-ng for n810?12:56
StskeepsOSS or CS?12:56
thopiekarhmm is it possible to repack them for ubuntu?12:56
qwerty12Stskeeps, open source12:56
thopiekarudovdh: maemo-hackers12:56
thopiekari think12:56
Stskeepsthopiekar: be aware python extensions are a nightmare when not compiled natively though12:57
Stskeepson mer12:57
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: that and a midori shot would be good hype for 0.8 tomorrow :>12:58
thopiekarthe compatibility of the app wouldn't be my problem.. I would make it yours when it will  work on my pc even maemo^^12:58
thopiekarwhat the hell.. there is a battery applet?!12:59
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: new midori crashes a lot12:59
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah but still cool12:59
thopiekarI've never seen it before :)12:59
qwerty12thopiekar, yeah, I packaged 412b's advanced power but it requires closed hald bme addon12:59
Stskeepsthopiekar: yes, for the select few of us knowing the magic to grab some nokia stuff :P12:59
thopiekarwhat about the battery-status script.. is it working with hald, too?13:00
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udovdhthopiekar, aircrack does not yield a hit there13:00
StskeepsMeiz_n810: the guy with midori (i think) made it using mer maybe :P13:01
thopiekarMUlliNER.ORG Maemo Software (Maemo 4.x)   chinook | free 13:01
thopiekaraircrack-ng (v. 0.9.1-1)13:01
thopiekaraircrack-ptw (v. 1.0.0-1)13:01
udovdhqwerty12, thanks13:03
thopiekaris there anywhere a list of all enlightenment-python packages?13:03
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thopiekarare these packages all?
qwerty12Meiz_n810, do you happen to have a lot of themes installed in Mer? :)13:06
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Meiz_n810qwerty12: nope13:09
Meiz_n810i think i have liberty and plankton13:09
qwerty12if I may ask, could you 'apt-get install hildon-theme-selector' and see if switching themes works well for you please?13:10
* thopiekar is thinking about hateing indt...
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thopiekarwhere can I get the sources then?13:11
Meiz_n810qwerty12: yes i have tested it, it works fine13:11
qwerty12Haha, wicked, thanks13:11
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* thopiekar is wondering why it is so difficult to have enlightening blindings on ubuntu13:17
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udovdhqwerty12, great link you pasted there!13:24
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papagajis there a way of getting sources for maemo-explicit?13:29
qwerty12maemo-explicit is the closed stuff so unlikely13:30
thopiekarhave you tried apt-get source inside sb1?13:30
papagajhm, I see13:30
papagajthank you13:30
thopiekarwhat are the contents of this package?13:31
papagajthopiekar: I tried that but it says it cannot find the package13:31
papagajthey are the osso-utilities13:31
papagajlike osso-addressbook and things like that13:31
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thopiekarpapagaj: hmm I tried apt-get source to get python2.5-ecore and it says, too that there are no sources.. but when searching in the repo with a browser I find it under: ...13:33
* thopiekar hates sometimes apt...13:33
jaempersonally, my favorite is pacman, from Arch13:33
t_s_ohmm, would be interesting if enscribi could be used in mer ones it get support for a sertain non-asian alphabet13:33
papagajso maybe the sources are there after all, just apt-get fails to find them?13:34
thopiekarpossible.. I'm not sure...13:35
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practisevoodoo_im trying to send a file over bluetooth using python from my n18013:36
practisevoodoo_i find anything that will send it so i figure ill just drop down to the comamnd line and run a seperate program13:36
papagajwell thanks thopiekar, I'll try browsing online then13:37
practisevoodoo_anyone know if you can send a file over bluetooth from the command line in maemo13:37
thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: pybluez13:37
thopiekaraka python-bluez13:37
thopiekarpapagaj: ok :)13:37
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practisevoodoo_thanks thopiekar but I had already tried that and couldnt get it to install13:38
thopiekaron the device?13:38
practisevoodoo_says that gcc is missing13:38
thopiekarhuch.. I never heard about that..13:39
thopiekarwhats your device and os?13:39
practisevoodoo_n810 and ....13:39
Stskeepsi wonder if canola is in the i386 extras..13:41
thopiekarhmm I can't try to install it myself because my n800 is at a repair shop near me, but do you thought about trying to install by apt-get? or have you ever installed silly programs that maybe breaked some dependences?13:42
Stskeepsoh. true, canola is python13:42
practisevoodoo_im trying apt-get atm but need to find  the full package name first13:43
thopiekaraahh or have you added some fremantle ,chinook or older repos13:43
practisevoodoo_lemme check13:43
Stskeepsqwerty12: i wonder if canola runs on x86..13:43
thopiekarStskeeps: why?13:43
qwerty12Stskeeps, they ported it to x8613:43
thopiekarStskeeps: and its going 100% opensource13:44
practisevoodoo_i ahve got chinook repos added but they are disabled13:45
thopiekarok refresh and try again..13:45
qwerty12Stskeeps, my "extras-repository" work. Want me to make it add the gpg key for extras?13:45
Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, sure13:45
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qwerty12s/repository"/repository" package/13:45
infobotqwerty12 meant: Stskeeps, my "extras-repository" package work. Want me to make it add the gpg key for extras?13:45
practisevoodoo_still cant find gcc13:46
practisevoodoo_ah got it13:47
practisevoodoo_i've finally been able to connect to the gronmayer site13:47
* practisevoodoo_ has flaky net13:48
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Stskeepsthopiekar: you should grab a Mer VMDK and try to port some of the efl packages i guess13:48
Stskeepsjust grab source package and see how far you get13:48
thopiekarStskeeps: porting? I love it^^13:49
Stskeepsthopiekar: if it works for x86 it quite likely works for armel too so13:49
thopiekarok I will try it..13:52
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Meiz_merlcuk: alive?13:58
Meiz_meri'll pastebin you error i get with liqbase in Mer, ok?13:59
practisevoodoo_thopiekar, i dont think pybluez can send files14:00
qwerty12Stskeeps, building extras-repository - it's working perfectly14:00
lcukMeiz_mer, is this from package or source?   cos i updated the svn last night with the latest liqbase classic source which is buildable on x86 as well14:01
lcukand with gcc414:01
Meiz_meri installed it about an hour ago from extras14:01
lcukno xsp library14:01
lcukthe source from the repo is buildable without it14:01
thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: it can you have to make it...14:02
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lcukqwerty12, are you busy?14:02
qwerty12lcuk, nope14:02
lcukfancy having a go at seeing if liqbase can be sent to mer?14:02
lcukbased on what ive just said i think it should just build directly14:02
lcuk:D excellent14:03
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lcuktho i bet the package will need some extras mmm, we shall see if it doesnt build ill get onto it in the next couple of days14:04
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thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: in chapter 2 should be useful examples..
thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: aaah here is a snippet...
thopiekarshould work..14:07
qwerty12lcuk, Meiz_mer, built fine, wanna test:
lcukmmm should be 0.1.6, thats me rushing cos i do build numbers later14:08
thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: forget about the snippet,,, it's for pyS60..14:09
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practisevoodoo_i think i might be able to do it at the socket level14:11
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thopiekarpractisevoodoo_: [1] [2] [3] [4]
thopiekarfor your researching :)14:14
practisevoodoo_thanks, ill post back if i ever get this going14:14
* Meiz_mer is testing liqbase14:15
Meiz_merqwerty12: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory14:16
* qwerty12_N800 blames lcuk's packaging *cough*14:16
lcuklack of14:17
lcukive changed a few files since last release :$ and thats why i was asking this morning about dpkg - i wanted to fix it up14:17
qwerty12_N800Try forcing it, I don't think it running the postinst is a rquirement14:17
lcuki incorrectly thought it would work :$14:17
thopiekarhmm a member of the is asking me where he can find his usb-stick when using debian chroot... he can't find it under /media/*stick*...14:17
qwerty12_N800thopiekar: introduce him to mount --bind ;)14:18
thopiekarinside chroot or maemo?14:19
* thopiekar never used debain-chroot...14:19
lcukMeiz_mer, ill try to get the package sorted this afternoon14:19
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Meiz_merlcuk: ok14:19
lcukwhat do i need in ubuntu to setup mer scratchbox?14:19
lcukor equiv14:20
Meiz_mermaybe it's in mer wiki14:20
lcukprob is lol, ill look in a bit14:20
* lcuk puts head back in code 14:20
qwerty12_N800lcuk: you can also do it on device in a mer chroot14:20
qwerty12_N800It's how i've been building my mer stuff when afk14:21
lcuknot enough space on mmc i would imagine14:21
thopiekarlcuk: or use esdk_installer and uncomment mer() in the python script.. it will install mer for you :)14:21
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thopiekarhmm I have debain (etch) in vbox and want to have libecore, which is in "experimental" repo, in apt ... did i have to upgrade my distri? or just adding a repo?14:43
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johnxmidori in 64MB of RAM, verdict: somewhat usable14:56
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t_s_oheh, i may be developing a issue with my shoulder muscle, thanks to how im holding the tablet while in bed...15:00
qwerty12_N800the tablet will be the downfall of my wrists :)15:01
johnxhuh...strangely I never really developed any computer related injuries15:01
johnxeven carrying around 100lb+ monitors...15:02
t_s_oye gods...15:03
t_s_owhat kind of monitors was that?!15:04
StsN801i've cut myself on cabinets a lot15:04
johnx21" CRT15:04
johnxfrom circa 198915:04
johnxtook 3 BNC inputs, sync-on-green15:04
johnxthe first test of my sanity was writing a modeline for it...15:05
qwerty12_N800ouch, thank god for lcd's :)15:05
johnxStsN801, aaah, cabinets and the wonderful "$20 special" computer cases I was fond of in my youth :)15:06
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t_s_oheh, i think i have had more then one injury trying to get the cover of those computer cases that had the whole thing a single unit...15:07
t_s_owith a framework of sharp iron underneath...15:07
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johnxit was always the knife-thin steel sheets that got me...15:08
t_s_okinda happy with what i have right now, altho it looks like some kids toy...15:08
johnxI finally got a decent case though: it was an atx mini-tower sturdy enough to sit on :) in fact that was exactly what I did with it when I took it to LAN parties15:09
t_s_oone thumbscrew and some pring releases to get the side panel off, drives, addons and everything else attached with quick releases. i think the motherboard is a one screw deal to, with the rest being hooks15:09
johnxsadly it was too hugenormous and now my micro-atx case is decidely non-sittable15:10
t_s_oim trying to find a ok micro-atx, but the only things in norway are lan-party style with windows and blue led fans...15:10
johnxthat's the only thing anyone sells anymore :/15:11
johnxI always liked inwin though15:11
t_s_othat or laptops15:11
johnxdunno what they've been doing now though15:11
t_s_oor maybe the odd barebones15:11
dphil314can't sit on my laptop15:11
dphil314my mini at went outt of style when atx came out15:12
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* johnx wants to rebuy his inwin a50015:13
dphil314so i've been trying to get maemo sdk installed using every method - ubuntu, debian stable, vmware images.  nothing is working yet.15:14
johnxubuntu intrepid?15:14
dphil314scratchbox installs ok but sdk fails to fetch all the deb's15:14
dphil314not brave enough for intrepid yet15:15
johnxwhich ones is it having problems with, what error do you get and what country are you downloading in?15:15
dphil314figured is it was an ubuntu issue, debian stable would be ok but the same fetch fails15:15
dphil314failed to fetch libsamba, in the US15:16
dphil314connection reset15:16
dphil314every time at the same point15:16
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johnxthere are problems from time to time downloading in some countries (downloading in Iran and China has been spotty from time to time)15:16
johnxand what's the error?15:16
johnx404, 302. 500?15:16
dphil314error 10015:16
johnxdo you have a log?15:17
dphil314no, i'm getting ready to try again15:17
dphil314ideally i'd have it installed in gentoo amd64 but for now using virtualbox to install 32 bit ubuntu15:18
dphil314didn't want to go through the hassle of setting up 32 bit chroot in gentoo15:19
johnxyou can use a normal vmware disk image with virtualbox, correct?15:20
dphil314vmware image couldn't start X, need to fiddle with xorg.conf15:21
johnxare you willing to try with vmware player?15:21
dphil314but that was using the vmdk in virtualbox.  i'll install vmware player next.15:21
dphil314haven't exhausted all possibilities yet15:22
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dphil314it's pretty cool when i vnc from the tablet to the laptop at work, start ubuntu in virtualbox, then go into scratchbox15:23
dphil314coding for the tablet on the laptop from the tablet (recursive shells)15:24
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thopiekarhas nobody a clue how to fetch the sources on debian from experiamental?15:42
StsN801-t experimental15:43
johnxyou might need to add the unstable repository and experimental15:43
thopiekarthere are no changes StsN801...15:43
johnxall debian repos are self contained except experimental sometimes depends on unstable15:43
thopiekarjohnx: and where are the repo lists?15:43
johnxin /etc/apt/sources.list15:43
thopiekarI mean where can I get a list of "deb *url *dist *pool"?15:44
johnxprobably from google15:45
johnxI don't know a specific page15:45
johnxif you have anything in sources.list though, just copy the line and change stable to unstable or experimental or whatever15:45
johnxif you want to see what package version is in stable/testing/unstable/experimental go to packages.debian.org15:46
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dnearySeems that /vote/ didn't make the move to the new Midgard.16:12
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gnutonH there16:39
qwerty12_N800hi gnuton16:39
gnutonhei johnx, qwerty12_N800! :D16:39
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b-manhello gnuton :)16:40
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qwerty12_N800hi b-man16:40
b-manhello qwerty12_N80016:41
gnutonhello b-man :D16:41
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thopiekarhi gnuton, whats about the 3d driver..16:45
gnutonthopiekar: 3D driver for???? N810 or for the next deice?16:46
thopiekareven N8x016:46
thopiekarthe smile says all16:46
gnutonI think that there are not other word to explain this --> :(16:47
gnutonN810 can't have a 3D driver...16:47
* GeneralAntilles still has hope.16:47
johnxGeneralAntilles, eh? really?16:47
gnutonGeneralAntilles: we can create a petition for that..16:47
johnxwe did create a petition16:48
johnxthen we created justification16:48
gnutonBtw is not a nokia issue..16:48
thopiekarthe problems in the hardware-design?16:49
johnxanyways, it will either happen or it won't and we're best off doing what we can without 3D drivers16:49
GeneralAntillesthopiekar, no.16:51
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dphil314mer brings all things to n81016:52
thopiekardphil314: what about n800?!16:53
dphil314sure why not16:53
dphil314and wii16:53
qwerty12_N800Someone put a AK to the heads of ImgTech already...16:53
thopiekarwii? you mean the gaming platform or what...16:54
lcukwe say "give us 3d", what do we want to do with 3d if we have it?16:54
dphil314according to the blueprint, yes16:54
suihkulokkisomeone should buy one imgtec stock and complain at the shareholders meeting16:54
dphil314sounds rather ambitious at the moment16:55
dphil314lcuk: games16:55
lcukvery vague, got anything in mind16:56
thopiekarhow can I deactivate using swap on grub?16:56
dphil314donkey kong?16:57
qwerty12_N800Is there any guarantee that the games will run smoothly though? remember, the lcd controller sucks balls16:57
RST38hmoo all16:57
qwerty12_N800hi RST38h16:57
jaemgood morning everyone16:58
qwerty12_N800'noon jaem :P16:58
* RST38h has no problems with Blizzard (for the record)16:58
thopiekarhi jaem, RST38h..16:59
jaemmy N810 is due back on Monday :D17:00
jaemjust have to wait until then...17:00
jaemI'll probably clone Maemo, and then triple-boot with Mer17:00
wazdRST38h: hola17:01
RST38hwazd: Heya17:01
jaemNokia doesn't sell a standalone battery charger, do they?17:01
RST38hwazd: got 'em uploaded? =)17:02
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wazdRST38h: yep, at last :)
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jaemoh wow... nice work17:05
* jaem high fives wazd17:05
thopiekarhey Stskeeps, you told me to use mer-vmdk to repack enlightenment..17:05
wazdRST38h: I can make screen colors more "gameboyish" if you like :)17:05
wazdjaem: thx)17:05
thopiekarwhy shouldn't use sb1?17:05
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jaemwazd: that actually looks better than the real calc, IMO17:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, push it marginally more green/yellow and slightly less blue.17:06
RST38hwazd: Colors are just fine for the SE =)17:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, just the barest hint.17:06
dphil314that looks sweet.  i'd love to have a good tiemu.17:06
* johnx keeps seeing cheap Sony Mylo2s for sale and wonders why no one has bothered hacking them...17:06
RST38hwazd: But do make all superscripted words thicker - do not  not stand out enough (same for all the other faceplates)17:07
jaemwhat is TI's current policy on ROMs?  The TI-85 and friends are quite old, but I thought TI was a stickler about that...17:07
RST38hwazd: Is there a new one for ti83?17:07
* GeneralAntilles wishes he could have a TI-89ti emulator.17:07
dphil314you must own the calc17:07
jaemthat's what I thought17:08
dphil314but the rom's can be found17:08
jaemwell, yes ;)17:08
jaemthis /is/ the Internet17:08
wazdRST38h: well, they have same size ratios as the original)17:08
RST38hjaem: TI does not encourage rom distribution but does not complain about it either17:08
jaemOh really? huh.  Good for TI17:08
RST38hjaem: They sell calcs, not the software, and apparently treat this whole thing as viral advertising17:09
jaemthat's surprising... TI has never been one of the more friendly companies, but it's good17:10
RST38hwazd: yea, except that in a real thing pixels are much smalle ;)17:10
jaemthe killer app for me would be a port of XCAS17:10
jaem(maple compatible CAS)17:10
dphil314imagine how speedy the graphs will be on omap317:10
RST38hthere is Octave17:10
* jaem imagines graphs slightly faster than those on a 6MHz Z8017:10
dphil314faster than omap217:11
jaemRST38h: yes, but I was looking for something more Mapley17:11
RST38hjaem: REDUCE17:11
jaemit has a WXWidgets frontend, so I imagine it wouldn't be much trouble17:11
jaemI just haven't gotten around to it17:11
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dphil314Z80 was hot for its time in an Apple ][e17:11
jaemRST38h: sorry?17:11
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RST38hjaem: There is a symbolic math package called REDUCE17:12
jaemdphil: I have an Epson "laptop", running a 4MHz Z8017:12
jaemRST38h: I'll check it out - thanks17:12
jaemdphil: it's from 1984, and it runs CP/M17:12
RST38hdphil: It all depends on the application. Some pretty new MP3 players still use 805117:12
RST38hdphil: And Z80 also occurs all over the place17:12
dphil314you write fortran 77 on it?17:13
dphil314that's what we did in 1984 on the apples17:13
jaemha! no... it has a BASIC interpreter, though17:13
jaemand for about $14, I could get WordStar17:13
wazdRST38h: ok, I'll try to enlarge them17:13
jaemplus some other stuff - you have to swap out ROM chips to "install" programs17:14
dphil314the cs prof had wordstar17:14
RST38hwazd: Not enlarge, just make them a bit thicker17:14
RST38hwazd: Like you have done with PI17:14
RST38hwazd: so that antialiasing does not make them disappear :)17:14
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jaemdphil: surprisingly, it still works fine, and the battery runs for about 2 hours17:14
jaemit's a LiIon17:15
dphil314i wonder if linux (dsl?) would run on it17:16
jaemum... no17:16
jaemit has 64kB of RAM17:16
jaemand a microcassette drive17:16
dphil314who would ever need more than that?17:16
jaemand it takes about 20s for it to load "Hello World" from tape, and execute it17:16
RST38hTI85 has 32kB17:16
jaem...and doesn't run Linux17:17
jaemLinux runs it17:17
dphil314ah yes the panasonic tape recorder hooked up to a trs-8017:17
* jaem wants an 8-track deck for his desktop17:17
disqmy tablet won't show connections in the select conn dialog, any cure for that besides a reflash? even the dialup connection won't show (n810, diablo)17:17
disqit automatically connects though17:18
jaemwazd: what app are you using to create these skins?17:18
qwerty12_N800disq: perhaps /etc/init.d/icd2 restart17:18
disqa reboot won't fix it btw, don't think that will either17:19
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jaemdisq: likely not, then17:19
jaemdisq: you said it will connect automatically to a known network, just not manually?17:19
jaemis the connectivity applet menu just blank, then?17:20
disqand the select conn dialog (the one where it searches for networks and lists them) is always empty17:20
infobotjaem meant: is the connectivity applet dialog just blank, then?17:20
disqnope, i have saved ap's there. adding a new ap there works, and it will autoconnect automatically (next time it does its thing)17:21
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qwerty12_N800disq: you can grab gconf-editor and see if there's anything dodgy under /system/osso/connectivity17:21
disqyeah i think it's a gconf issue as well. will do17:21
jaemsounds reasonable17:21
disqin other news, i'm using my old nokia 770 as a WC occupation notifier now17:22
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disqa python script listens for charger connected/disconnected dbus signals and updates the twitter status17:23
disqi have the charger hooked up to the ceiling lights17:23
jaemand rather creative17:23
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dphil314you can call it an iPooed17:24
disqi will log the status via a webservice and keep a log of it for usage graphs17:25
disq(11 people, one obsessive cleaning lady and just one wc in the office)17:26
dphil314so you need to know the status at all times17:26
jaem...the uses people find for twitter...17:26
RST38hOk. So, cleaning lady dies first, eaten by the toilet bowl inhabitant17:27
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dphil314now that's a mission critical app!17:27
RST38hBut how do you off remaining 11 souls?17:27
RST38hAnd can you make it long enough to qualify for a B-grade horror flick? =)17:27
jaemmaybe C-grade17:28
dphil314that's the kind of thing that''l get you promoted to senior management17:28
RST38hYea, C.17:28
RST38hBut definitely with a fan club17:28
jaemyou could have custom Maemo themes17:28
jaemto go with your twittering N770s17:28
qwerty12_N800Rig the flusher to bring out a Glock that shoots when flushed17:28
jaemand an iRobot Scooba to clean up the blood17:29
dphil314the prank possibilities are endless17:29
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disqi considered detecting flush noises and keeping/posting the time of the last flush but don't think the 770 can handle that unless i fiddle with the dsp. and it's kinda hard to distinguish from the normal running water/faucet sound anyways17:32
jaemthat's also marginally more disturbing17:32
dphil314sensor hooked up to the valve17:33
jaemwhy do you want t collect bathroom usage stats anyways?17:33
dphil314industrial control17:33
disqsensors could work but they also come with wires17:33
dphil314measure the volume change in the bowl during each usage17:33
RST38hwhat if t6hey do not flush?17:33
jaemalso have it check if they've washed their hands17:33
disqmeasure the amount the person has moved17:34
RST38hjust tag each person with rfid17:34
jaemand put a sensor on the toilet paper roll to measure length used17:34
RST38hand track their movements through the restoroom17:34
dphil314graph the percentage of people who flush and wash their hands before & after the app is published, good for health & safety17:35
disqkeep a total poo counter and another one daily stats. graph it depending on the day17:35
dphil314day after the super bowl is off the charts17:35
jaemalso, make the toilet analyse waste to detect potential health problems17:36
jaemand twitter that, too17:36
jaemand maybe e-mail out a follow-up survey after each use17:37
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dphil314satisfaction level?17:38
jaem"our records indicate that you have recently used our bathroom.  Please take a few minutes to rate our service"17:38
* RST38h wonders where electric shocker should come into the picture17:38
jaemshock them if they don't wash their hands17:38
RST38hMaybe automatically lock the stall and shock the victim until he/se flushes17:38
dphil314door is bolted and doorknob electrified17:39
disqwhy not just an autoflush? for fun i guess.17:39
disq$| = 117:39
jaembecause it would require less of a hack17:39
jaemyou could hardly get an autoflusher on the likes of Hackaday17:40
dphil314open the bathroom door, hal!  ... i'm sorry dave, i can't do that.17:40
jaemwe definitely need a red glowing orb that talks to you17:40
jaembut give it the voice of GLADOS17:40
jaemgood job!  In 20 minutes, #maemo has managed to destroy all convential notions of privacy, for the purposes of a fun project17:45
dphil314the "iPooed" project17:45
jaemthat's probably already taken17:46
disqyeah. so don't give out rfid chips to users17:46
jaemaww... but that's no fun17:46
RST38hdisq: autoflush would be too simplistic17:46
dphil314someone like thinkgeek made a prank toilet paper dispenser with an iPod dock on the top, called it the iPooed17:47
jaemyeah, I think it was TG17:47
jaemI liked the shrinter17:47
jaemnobody's going to read *those* documents17:47
dphil314is that ecofriendly?17:47
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jaemwell, if you don't plan on reading the documents, then shredding them as they're printed isn't waste in and of itself17:48
jaemhowever, printing them in the first place is17:48
jaemis it possible to print from the N810?17:49
jaemor rather, is it possible without major tweaks?17:49
dphil314i saw a deb for bluez-cups17:49
jaemmethinks I did too, but I don't have a wireless printer17:50
dphil314don't know if it's ported17:50
jaemcould that connect via bluetooth to a cups server running on a desktop?17:50
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dphil314stick a BT dongle in USB and load appropriate SW17:50
disqdamn seems like the 770 lost the connection again17:50
dphil314sounds promising17:50
jaemI may give that a try when I get my N810 back17:51
dphil314WC outage?17:51
disqi'll have to write some conic code to check for that and keep it connected17:51
disqtried devicescape but somehow it doesn't work properly, can't even login17:51
Macerwonder how wimax progress is looking in chicago17:51
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Maceri'm sure they are still only in baltimore17:51
Macerwhat a shame17:51
jaemI'm also looking forward to fiddling with my bluetooth LCD wristband...17:51
jaemhopefully I can make the N810 do something fun with that17:51
Macerthe next gen of wireless access will have to wait until the next generation of people17:52
disqmaking one with n810 is even easier, just use the ambient light sensor17:52
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dphil314Circuit Cellar mag advertises lots of BT and RF gear.  The hot item is ARM boards with ZigBee wireless can transmit 100 meters.  BT is 10 meters afaik.17:53
jaemthe wristband has a button, a screen, and a vibe motor - perfect for providing notifications of random stuff17:53
jaemand, of course, good for geek cred :P17:54
dphil314it's low enough power you don't need FCC license to build stuff17:54
jaemdphil: how much would one (or two rather) of those run you?17:54
dphil314each board with CPU, ZigBee, SD slot, etc. about $30017:55
jaema bit above my budget...17:55
dphil314getting cheaper & faster all the time17:56
jaembut cool nonetheless17:56
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jaemmy freind and I are looking into repurposing a consumer wifi router into a music-activated lights controller17:56
wazdoverbolded symbols looks ugly(17:56
dphil314disco ball?17:56
jaemno... something with a bit more FFT-goodness in it17:57
jaemI'm not sure how it will turn out, but it sounds reasonably feasible17:57
dphil314wats better than disco??17:57
jaemI'm also trying to think of a suitable project to enter in the contest at - the prize being a laser cutter17:58
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jaemIIRC, the last one they gave away was worth $13,000 CAD17:58
jaemor maybe USD17:58
jaemI forget17:58
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dphil314solar electric car/battle robot17:59
pupnik_i need a good hires mpeg4 streaming 'webcam17:59
wazdRST38h: <- 83+17:59
pupnik_wonder how fast the n9x0 will encode from camera device17:59
jaemwazd: looks good, but I'm not really seeing the SE17:59
makakHello everybody18:00
jaemit's not.... silver... enough18:00
jaemhello makak18:00
GeneralAntillesjaem, :)18:01
jaemokay... I've never actually seen that version18:01
GeneralAntillesjaem, it's relatively recent.18:01
jaemwell, it looks better than the first version, anyhow18:02
jaemI always thought the 83+SE was rather ugly18:02
GeneralAntillespupnik_, with the right optimizations I'm sure it would be plenty fast.18:02
GeneralAntillespupnik_, I actually wonder about the capabilities of the ISP.18:02
Meizirkkiqwerty12: why did you build the extras-repository package for x86?18:03
pupnik_mhm.  i want hires streaming vid on next tablet18:03
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makakI'm into cloning my tablet to my sd card and I'm pretty sure of wath I'm doing but I'm too nervous :p The filsystem is the ext3 partition and the Fat partition is for normal files right ?18:04
jaemmakak: yes, but you shouldn't have any files on the card while doing this, in any case18:04
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jaemjust back up all your personal files, and if you bork it, you can just reflash18:04
jaembut it should be fine18:04
RST38hwazd: Yesss18:05
qwerty12Meizirkki, it's a all pacakage.18:05
wazdRST38h: there's a little bug, wait a bit18:05
makakYeah, I did backup my files :p thanks Jaem :p18:05
infobotqwerty12 meant: Meizirkki, it's a all package.18:05
RST38hwazd: if the are too ugly, do not make them bold18:05
RST38hwazd: no big deal18:05
makakha ! Don't you think N800/810 are great ebook reading devices ?18:05
RST38hwazd: replace EXIT with MODE :)18:05
Meizirkkiqwerty12: ah :P18:06
jaemmakak: yes, they work quite well, due to the size, and the screen being nice and sharp18:06
jaemI haven't tried an eInk reader, but I find the N810 quite satisfactory18:06
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makakYeah, I was quite interrested in e-ink technology since I had this tablet ... it's no use with this I thing ... I mean, we're all screen-eyed geeks :p18:07
jaemthe N810's screen is good in sunlight, too18:08
jaemI was quite impressed when I got mine18:08
makakand does'nt need light for bed reading :p18:08
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jaemdoes the Maemo PDF Reader honour DRM restrictions?18:09
jaemI know all the ones I use on my other computers just flip DRM the finger and carry on happily18:10
qwerty12It doesn't honour hyperlinks, doubt it's gonna go for anything fancy like DRM.18:10
disqscrew it i'm going to reflash18:10
makakNever tried but I don't think so18:10
StskeepsMeizirkki: extras exist for i386 ttoo18:10
jaemqwerty12: doesn't support it?  Or ignores it? there's a difference18:10
MeizirkkiStskeeps: yes i see18:11
dphil314two pdf readers plus fbreader for chm's, it a pretty good ebook reader18:11
* GeneralAntilles has probably read over 100 books on various tablets.18:11
MeizirkkiStskeeps: ok, i didn't know it18:11
* RST38h whispers "pirate!" =)18:12
makakI think it isn't a conincidence that maemo users are raders too18:12
jaemdoes anyone here travel around in a ship and pillage and burn?18:12
jaemnope - didn't think so18:12
jaemno pirates around here18:12
dphil314we're not pirates, we're open source advocates18:12
jaemwell, piracy is a loaded term (and innacurate)18:13
dphil314in fact, all torrents i'm seeding are legal18:13
jaemif anything, it's "copyright infringement"18:13
jaembut luckily, in good old Canada, we haven't yet outlawed DRM circumvention18:13
RST38hIt is pretty easy from my point of view though:18:13
wazdRST38h: <- Fixed Ti 83, <- Fixed 83+18:14
RST38hIf someone sold me a ebook as a plain text file or plain HTML I would buy it18:14
jaemalthough I realize that the (perfectly legitimate) software I have on my computers would probably get me in a fair bit of trouble in the US18:14
GeneralAntillesRST38h, several publishers do.18:14
RST38hBut with the current crap they wrap ebooks into, I either buy a paper copy or download an .fb2 file18:14
RST38hwazd: ! Downloading18:14
jaemRST38h: have you heard of Zinio?18:15
makakThere are tons of free ebooks ... reading ebooks is not pirating18:15
GeneralAntillesEither way, I sold their books for 4 years. :P18:15
GeneralAntillesBaen's collection is particularly nice.18:15
RST38hjaem: I seem to have heard the word18:15
jaemthey distribute magazines and such, in their 'revolutionary format", which turns out to be a normal PDF with the extension changed :P18:16
wazdTi84 is pretty sexy :)18:16
jaemhowever, they seem to have better security than the last magazine distributer I dealt with18:16
jaemthey justy obfuscated deep-links to all their PDFs18:16
jaemit wasn't exactly difficult to get access to anything you wanted18:16
dphil314how about Ti92+18:17
jaemhowever, I kept my downloading to issues I had a physical copy of, and merely used instead of hauling them around18:17
RST38hwazd: Got'em. All righty, I think TI83 can be released right away, not yet done with 83+ and the rest18:17
dphil314is this part of the sprint?18:18
RST38hjaem: It is much easier with Russian books18:18
RST38hjaem: You either go to or to lib.rus.ec18:18
wazdRST38h: I wonder why "plus" version of 83 has lower resolution screen :)18:18
RST38hjaem: Pretty much all of them are there18:19
dphil314Plus profits!18:19
RST38hjaem: is semiofficial and usually makes books available after 6-9 months18:19
jaemwazd: what resolution is the 83?18:19
jaemRST38h: that's pretty cool... too bad I can't read Russian18:19
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RST38hwazd: No, they all have the same screen18:20
RST38hwazd: TI83,83+,84+,and SEs all have 96x64 pixels18:20
jaemthat's what I thought18:20
RST38hwazd: TI85/TI86 have got a different LCd controller and 128x64 screens18:20
GeneralAntillesRST38h, can we make it easier to switch calculators than separate .desktops?18:20
GeneralAntillesgive it a menu selector or something?18:20
RST38hGeneral: Yea18:20
RST38hGeneral: As it is getting crowded anyway18:21
GeneralAntillesRST38h, can we get Maemo-Display-Name, too?18:21
RST38hGeneral: It should be there afaik18:21
wazdRST38h: oh18:22
wazdRST38h: then 83 is wrong again, wait :)18:22
RST38hwazd: yes, a little bit =)18:23
udovdhmy n810 now says:  cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001)18:23
udovdhwhenever I try to do something with the wlan from the cli18:23
udovdhthe gui thingie does see ap's18:23
udovdhand it worked before rebooting18:24
udovdhany idea on how to recover?18:24
makakHow can I know if booting on the sd work ? (I reboot but nothing apeared at the launching)18:25
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udovdhmakak, boot form the sd18:26
udovdhto be sure18:26
jaemmakak: I ran into that too, unfortunately, that was around the time I became sick, and I remember very little of those two weeks, so I can't help you :P18:26
makakhem .. howto ?18:26
udovdhmakak, wiki has no info?18:26
jaemthe bootmenu prompt doesn't show up, right?18:26
GeneralAntillesSomebody has to stop wazd.18:26
makakI surely missed something ...18:27
makakjaem : yes18:27
udovdhmakak, ?18:28
udovdhmy n810 now says:  cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001)18:28
udovdhhwo to fix?18:28
makakI used penguinbait's console-tools v118:28
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makakSo, I have to do this ?18:29
makakSet the default boot device18:29
makakOnce the initfs is flashed, you may wish to change to default boot device so the tablet will boot into your preferred partition without intervention. To do this, as root, run:18:29
makakchroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc218:29
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makakIt works18:32
RST38hwazd: Thanks! Rotating and adding to the package18:33
makakOkay ... Here is the thing : I had to install bootmenu after rebooting18:33
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Corsachmhm, is the gps working with Mer?18:33
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MeizirkkiCorsac: not yet18:50
Meizirkkisome closec source pieces18:50
infobotMeizirkki meant: some closed source pieces18:50
Corsacyeah, always the same :)18:50
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StsN801no, just there is no free lunch18:52
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jaem_foodingI got a free lunch from a local cell provider, on a tour from my uni18:58
jaem_foodinghowever, in regards to their actual service, they couldn't be further from a free lunch :P18:58
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jaemMer is including the FOSS wifi driver, right?19:00
qwerty12If you build a kernel that works nice with it and mer19:00
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jaemis that a "yes, if you do it yourself" or a "yes, if we can get it to work in time"?19:01
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qwerty12"yes, if you do it yourself"19:03
jaemI guess what I'm primarily wondering is if Mer's connectivity software in general will support WPA2 with TTLS/PAP, as I'm one of the many whose uni uses it19:04
matmoanyone know if it is possible to use mmc during an install? Tried several ways but get errors. Only way left I can think of is to shift files via a script when the app is first run.19:04
jaemmatmo: use it for what?19:04
qwerty12jaem, probably will do as it's currently using networkmanager (which uses wpasupplicant) but I know Stskeeps (and me for that matter) would like Nokia to open source icd2 (the internet connectivity daemon in maemo)19:05
matmoto store data files (as part of a deb install)19:05
jaemqwerty12: I hope so.  That was one of my few complaints with Maemo - especially given the lack of SOCKS proxy support in most apps19:06
jaemI normally just tunnel everything to my desktop19:06
jaemmatmo: AFAIK, you could move files from a directory in /usr/share, and symlink them (correct me if I'm wrong), but unless the package is set up to do that automatically, you'd have to do it manually19:07
qwerty12matmo, unless the size of these files are really large, it's a lot more stress free to move them in the postinst19:08
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RST38h"To hear that CEOs will have no incentive to work for a mere $400,000/year seems ludicrous when one realizes that an awful lot of people with important jobs, from doctors to airline pilots, do their work very conscientiously for less than that."19:09
* qwerty12 has done it in the preinst by stealing ideas from other packages but it caused me a headache and a couple of trips to the autobuilder19:09
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qwerty12RST38h, CEO's are shown to be greedy bastards. What's new? :)19:09
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matmothey are large and I have tried mv via postinst but get error (status 2). In the postinst I only do a cd and mv19:10
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RST38hqwerty: They got screwed in the last Obama's bill19:11
matmoqwerty12: which package actually does this?19:11
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qwerty12matmo, there's a few in extras, I can't remember off the top of my head but it's usually the games19:11
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jaemthe RTS game (can't think of the name) does so, I believe19:12
jaem...there's something wrong when a company that has a "GPL'd" program makes it so hard to find the source that you have to use Google to search their forums, to find a post with a URL that the poster said didn't work for them19:14
jaemoh - even better.  The site that hosts the SVN repo for wifi security software has an invalid SSL cert19:15
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aquatixjaem: haha19:16
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matmojaem: Bos Wars?19:18
jaemthat'd be it19:18
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jaemdid anyone ever actually agree on what was making the N810 GPS so slow?  I never actually found anything definitive.19:23
qwerty12The chip is crap and specially designed to be used in conjunction with A-GPS19:23
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jaemif you use AGPS say, when you leave your house, and you turn off the GPS when you get where you're going, will it pick it up faster as long as you're still in the vicinity, or do you need a net connection every time you try to get a fix?19:25
qwerty12AFAIK (not owning an N810), it caches the last known position of satellites until you reboot it19:25
RST38hmore or less19:25
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* qwerty12 edits /usr/sbin/ to run swapoff manually, because evidently ke-recv can't be trusted to do the task automatically >.<19:28
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matmojaem: thanks, looks like that's the one and ITT post suggests probs with N800 and SD based OS, which is my situation19:36
* timeless wonders if sts got sound working for vmware :)19:37
* thopiekar is thinking about timeless made a joke or not..19:38
qwerty12timeless, I want open-vm-tools working :P. It doesn't seem too trivial to fix, I may fix myself and upload a fixed version to mer repo19:39
* timeless is generally fairly straight forward19:39
timeless(maybe a few rare typos)19:39
timelessbtw, any idea why apt keeps looking for 'Translation-en_US'?19:40
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wazdGeneralAntilles: merry christmas :)
qwerty12EURGH! :P19:54
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wazdomg, I can't stop laughing)19:56
wazdI think I should send it to engadget or something)19:57
Corsacwhat exactly is that?19:57
qwerty12wazd, btw, could I ask you to do a tux (the linux mascot) smoking weed? I need a avatar :P19:57
wazdCorsac: well, it's Ti84+ Hello Kitty edition :)_19:57
wazdCorsac: I thought it's pretty obvious (19:58
wazdqwerty12: :)19:58
Corsacyeah but I don't really know what's ti84+19:58
lcukwazd, does rst's emulator allow hotzones to be defined19:58
* timeless sighs19:58
timelesslibgalago-common (from osso) conflicts w/ libgalago3 (from ubuntu)19:58
* lcuk really likes all these calculators19:58
wazdlcuk: I think so)19:58
lcukwazd, obviously its internal cos he can bind to whatever you throw at him19:59
lcuk:) cool colaboration19:59
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wazdCorsac: well, basicaly it's the skin for Texas Instruments calculator emulators19:59
wazdCorsac: normally it looks like this :
lcukwazd, what about a simple functional landscape actual calculator - using a subset of the functions from the ti20:00
dphil314kitty vader:
lcukie same screen and some of the keys20:00
Corsacmhm ok20:00
wazdlcuk: I think I'm not the one to ask :)20:00
Corsacnever tried that kind of emulator20:00
lcukif you draw something, someone will tie it together :)20:00
lcukyou have a good eye, while you are on a roll so to speak20:01
wazdlcuk: well, current ati85 loading is pretty snappy20:01
wazdlcuk: maybe just use it :)20:01
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lcuki leave it on its stand20:01
lcuki never pick it up so these rotated ones arent much use20:01
* timeless cries20:02
timelessmaemo-chavo-runtime and rtcom-beta-os2008 need libgalago-common20:02
qwerty12timeless, it sounds like libgalago3 has what libgalago-common needs so use dpkg-deb on maemo-chavo-runtime & rtcom-beta-os2008 to change the dependencies20:03
timelesslibgalago-common is translations for pt-br, de, fr, and da20:03
qwerty12Remove the dependency then? I certainly know I don't speak any of those languages :)20:04
jaemwazd: (a little late) that's terrible and awesome at the same time20:04
timelessi personally don't care about any of those languages20:04
timelessalthough i could probably survive20:04
timelessis there some way to use 'alternatives' to make this happy?20:05
dphil314so i'm setting up ubuntu in virtual box to install the maemo sdk, and i accidentally remove gnome-applet and gnome-panel20:06
* qwerty12 would just edit the deb directly, probably change libgalago-common to libgalago-common | libgalago320:06
dphil314you, being efficient about cleaning up unused packages20:07
dphil314then i have no menus, not even to launch a term20:07
timelessqwerty: if i change /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgalago-common.* would that make my problem go away?20:07
jaemdphil: alt+f220:07
jaemplus, you can add panels20:07
* timeless doesn't like repackaging other people's debs :)20:07
dphil314in a term, i'd use apt to reinstall20:08
timelessdphil314: oh, i'm playing pokemon w/ Mer20:08
timeless"gotta collect them all"20:08
timelessi have nearly a full collection of diablo applets :)20:08
dphil314i'd be happy with just one20:08
qwerty12timeless, you'd probably want to edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/status file and change the libgalago entry to say it provides libgalago-common20:08
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qwerty12Or you could just make a dummy libgalago-common package20:08
timelessyeah, i like dummy pacakges20:09
timelesslemme do that20:09
* timeless has a collection of them20:09
dphil314quite a collector20:09
timelessdphil314: it makes it much easier to test things20:12
dphil314i wonder what the nokia people think of mer20:13
dphil314a good thing?  a threat to their binary ways?20:13
qwerty12They're supporting it.20:14
GeneralAntilleswazd, you're a sick human being.20:14
dphil314oh yeah i saw quim's comments on nokia people using beagle boards for an internal project20:15
GeneralAntilleswazd, do you think you could do a light overlay on the faceplate around the keypad?20:15
GeneralAntillesdphil314, "these Nokia people" probably isn't a useful way to think about it. ;)20:16
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dphil314they is us?20:16
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GeneralAntillesdphil314, Nokia isn't a hivemind.20:17
* dphil314 thinks of hive queen from Ender's Game20:17
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* timeless shrugs20:33
* timeless is a nokian and runs Mer20:33
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timeless(albeit, in vmware)20:33
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qwerty12_N800timeless is a bad nokian. :P20:33
* timeless grumbles20:34
* timeless kicks xkbdata/xkb-data20:34
dphil314well, nokia seems more willing to work with open platforms than some other manufacturers20:34
dphil314not to mention the cell carriers20:35
wazdGeneralAntilles: what overlay do you mean?20:37
wazdlooks cute on white background btw :)
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RST38hwazd: urgh20:39
* dphil314 wonders if there's a hello kitty theme on kde-look.org20:40
* thopiekar is back..20:40
wazdRST38h: xD20:40
GeneralAntilleswazd, stick a little semi-transparent hello kitty decal on the faceplate around the keypad.20:40
RST38hBad news though: looks like TI83+SE and later models do not use ROMs20:41
wazdRST38h: aw(20:41
RST38hThey seem to use flash updatable piece-at-a-time20:41
dphil314then where did i get the rom for ti-92+ ?20:41
RST38hNo idea what to do about it yet20:41
jaemthe TI-92+ is older than those ones, IIRC20:42
RST38hdphil: ti92 and ti89 are different architecture20:42
RST38hthere is a total of 3 ti calc archs that I know of20:42
dphil314so what's the latest?20:42
timelessthey were developed in parallel20:42
GeneralAntillesIn the QWERTY line, Voyage 200.20:42
dphil314best for calculus & graphing functions20:42
wazdRST38h: <- is that wrong thing?20:42
RST38hwazd: Check out the file size20:43
timelessum, can someone help me? :)20:43
RST38hwazd: Weird, isn't it?20:43
timelessapt-get upgrade keeps offering me the same upgrades :)20:43
wazdRST38h: well, it's 693Kb :)20:43
wazdRST38h: I don't know what normal rom size :)20:44
jaemRST38h: where did you hear that the OS was done differently?20:44
jaemthe 83+SE, AFAIK, works with the 83+ firmware20:44
jaemor at least, very similar FW20:45
RST38hjaem: hardware is a bit different though20:45
RST38hso not the same fw20:45
RST38hwazd: it is, of course, a poweer of 2, not 693 :)20:45
RST38hMy crystal balls show 1MB for 84+20:46
jaemRST38h: the TI website says that the download is the same for the 83+ and SE20:46
RST38hjaem: dunno, I base my work on
jaemhmm... Dan Englender and them know their stuff, but I can't really argue with a single firmware download tagged for both editions20:48
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Stskeepslo b-man20:53
b-manhello Stskeeps :)20:53
thopiekarwheyyy... Stskeeps is back in da house^^20:57
* b-man checks status in mer-committers20:58
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to kick his ass out again.20:58
Stskeepsb-man, can you switch URL to 0.8 ?21:01
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* b-man posts an update on #mer in jaiku for merinstaller21:11
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timelessok, what the heck21:31
timelessapt-cache policy sudo21:32
timelessInstalled: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso821:32
timelessCandidate: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso821:32
timelessVersion table:21:32
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timeless1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 021:32
timeless500 http://private private Packages21:32
timeless1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 021:32
timeless801 alpha/main Packages21:33
timeless*** 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 021:33
timeless100 /var/lib/dpkg/status21:33
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
timeless1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2 021:33
timeless800 jaunty/main Packages21:33
timeless-- why does apt-get upgrade want to upgrade sudo?21:33
wazdStskeeps: btw, maybe you can do that background for Mer channel?21:33
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timelessthe same sort of nonsense is offered for screenshot-tool21:35
dphil314that sort of thing happens in systems like gentoo when programs compile from source, for example when a use flag changes.  if you're installing binaries, no idea.21:40
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dphil314some problem in the dependency tree21:40
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Meiz_n810kde 4.2 is finally installable for diablo :)22:13
Meiz_n810i hope it's using Qt 4.522:13
Meiz_n810Qt 4.5 should be a lot faster than older versions22:14
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kevin_405tying to upgrade to python2.5 having trouble can someone help22:56
kevin_405anybody home22:59
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radic|alc*kicking Stskeeps*23:03
kevin_405anybody home23:04
radic|alcI dont't need python23:05
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radic|alcbut more beer!23:05
kevin_405i need python can someone help23:05
kevin_405i dont need beer23:05
StsN800radic|alc, ?23:05
radic|alckevin_405: why you dosn't need beer?23:05
timelesssts: did you have a safe train ride?23:06
radic|alcStsN800: yahh?23:06
kevin_405trying to cut on beer belly23:06
kevin_4052 hrs spent on trying to get python i am losing ti23:06
radic|alckevin_405: you like ouzo?23:07
kevin_405what is ouzo23:07
StsN800timeless, yes fine - back in apartment and brother visiting. pacifying him with Eureka episodes..23:08
radic|alckevin_405: it's like Raki23:08
timelesshrm, i think i have one of those in my dvr23:08
timelessunless tghey stopped broadcasting, in which case i have noise23:08
radic|alckevin_405: where are you from?23:09
timelesssts: did you install 0.1.2 pre? :)23:09
kevin_405No hablo ingles23:09
kevin_405Can someone help with python23:10
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StsN800timeless, no sorry, haven't even touched laptop yet and tablet working is a basic requirement for my sanity23:11
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Knowledge_/j #hamradio23:16
Knowledge_hmm...let's try that again23:16
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RST38hHehe, I have found how ot make app quit when [2nd][Off] is pressed23:26
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jaemRST38h: disregard my comments regarding the ROMs earlier... I wasn't really awake, and made a thinko23:37
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StskeepsRST38h: scary fact - ati85 works under mer23:56
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