IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-02-13

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etrunkoahrg, dput upload is broken.00:01
etrunkoGeneralAntilles: you there?00:02
r2d2rogersStskeeps: the image seems to created the ssh keys before the reboot, was that changed from during the first boot menu?00:02
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: it still generates them when the image is generated, and then the wizard will regenerate them to make it secure00:03
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: what was the fix for broken applications menu btw?00:04
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r2d2rogersStskeeps:  Thanks, that makes sense00:05
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: when you get a chance.. definately get the new midori from repository00:08
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: cp /etc/xdg/menus/ /home/user/.osso/menus/ ; update-desktop-database00:09
r2d2rogersStskeeps: imager just completed00:10
r2d2rogerslooks like about an hour and 10 minutes00:11
Stskeepswhole imaging process takes about 4h30m so00:11
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thopiekargood night and cu l8er :)00:12
guysoft42hey um ,does this code look ok to you? it seems to go in to an error and not work00:13
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guysoft42(worked with ": eturn "yay"00:13
guysoft42return "yay *00:13
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: something not happy, I get a stopped progress bar after 6 or 7 segments00:15
guysoft42it should break in to a newline after 20 chars so the gpe-summery wont have scrollbars00:15
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: hmm.00:15
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: of a new imaging?00:16
r2d2rogersand no rescue menu00:16
Stskeepsand you mkfs.ext3ed before that?00:16
guysoft42qwerty12_N800, sorry to nag, but could you just have a look at those 20 lines? i am just not really sure how to write this kind of code00:16
r2d2rogersno, I just deleted all the files off the filesystem I had already made00:16
r2d2rogerstime to try to image again after doing that?00:16
qwerty12_N800guysoft42: sorry, i'm not a coder :)00:17
guysoft42ah.. um, any coder with a spare second? its reall a short line.. i think i did the string decelerations worng00:17
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: mm. yeah, lets get that out of the way for good measure :/00:17
r2d2rogersI'll probably have to report in on that tomorrow, I'm within an hour of leave work time..00:18
Stskeepsyeah, its fine00:18
Stskeepsits the second year day of my moms passing so i won't be that active, except from tablet, going to my hometown00:19
r2d2rogersStskeeps: Sorry to hear (even a couple of years later)..00:19
r2d2rogersmy mom is in hospice now....00:19
Stskeepsmm.. life is crap sometimes00:20
Stskeeps:looks at what else he can do tonight before collapsing in bed:00:20
r2d2rogerscan be ::nods::00:20
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Stskeepshave i been too severely damaged by this channel, since i write 'hello kitty' instead of 'hello world' when testing if text entry works in a program?00:22
jaemyes you have00:22
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jeremiahNo, when you start writing OHAI!, then you know  you are damaged.00:23
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: I think it's your inner self coming out ;P00:23
jaemquestion for you folks...00:23
jaemI'm picking up one of these:
jaemwhich uses the hands-free BT protocol to display callerID, and vibration alert on a wristband00:23
jaemIs it possible for, say, Mer/Maemo to link with it and display arbitrary data on the screen?00:24
jaemyou know, for e-mail/IM updates, or similar?00:24
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r2d2rogerssounds like a fun project, but I can't answer the doable (or how easily) part.00:25
jaemokay... I can look into it - any idea where to start?  Would that be part of Bluez, or part of the application software?00:25
guysoft42hell, the applet makes hildon crasho now each time..00:26
bensonguysoft42: Yes, you're not allocationg memory for your strings. Either declare them as fixed size arrays (and somehow know the string won't be too big...) or use malloc and free.00:26
guysoft42i tried to.. not sure why it did not do it00:27
r2d2rogersjaem: at a gues bluez00:27
guysoft42let me try again now00:27
bensonguysoft42: re: your code, not applet crashes00:27
guysoft42benson, is there some maxumum constant for the buffers?00:27
Stskeepsguysoft42: particles in the universe, man..00:28
bensonjaem: looks like fun, definitely possible, but AFAIK there exists no HFP implementation, so you have to write that maybe.00:28
jaembenson: I believe Bluez does support it00:28
jaemoh wait... maybe not00:29
bensonguysoft42: IDK, try man event_get_summary_fix00:29
guysoft42Stskeeps, i am not sure i got that.. mind you i had a physics exam the other day00:29
bensonjaem: maybe the new version in Maemo5 does...00:29
guysoft42benson, i have direct contact with the developer who wrote that function..00:29
Stskeepsbenson: otherwise we do have new bluez in mer :P00:29
guysoft42benson, i did it :-S00:29
jaembenson: would that be included in Mer, then, when it comes out?00:30
bensonguysoft42: Wait, just realized you're recursing...00:30
bensonjaem: yes00:30
Stskeepsii  bluez                                      4.29-0ubuntu1                       Bluetooth tools and daemons00:30
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bensonBut IDK if it actually does have it yet, just guessing.00:30
guysoft42recursing? its not a recurse00:30
Stskeepsit does00:31
guysoft42ah.. hell!00:31
jaemthe wiki says that HFP 1.5  support is still in the works00:31
guysoft42it was not supposed to be a recurse...00:31
bensonIs it going into an infinite loop, perchance?00:31
lcukguysoft42, you dont allocate memory before you copy stuff over the pointer00:31
jaemrecursing?  as in, "darn you again!"?00:31
lcukchar *tmp;        <<<< not initialized00:31
lcukstrcpy(tmp,event_get_summary_fix(ev, error));        <<<<<< gets stuff wrote over hte non initialized pointer00:31
guysoft42lcuk, i tried doing it with a buffer and it didnt work.. so i tried a pointer.. i know it looks like i dont know C.. but i just thaught id try00:32
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bensonlcuk: No, gets stuff written all over memory wherevere the uninitialized pointer is pointing...00:32
lcuk2 tics00:32
guysoft42lubyou, yes i know.. i fixed it.. let me compile and check it.. just a sec00:32
lcukyeah benson, just not where hes expecting ;)00:32
bensonBut it can't even do that, because it recurses in the second argument.00:32
bensonlcuk: Yeah, but the _pointer_ is just fine. :P00:33
bensonOnly everything else gets clobbered.00:33
lcukguysoft42, whats it actually meant to do ( i know stomping over memory wasnt the intention)00:33
lcukhow do you know benson :P it might point back over itself00:34
guysoft42yay working so far00:34
bensonTrue, it might. I stand corrected.00:34
lcukhas anyone got any lemsips by the way00:34
bensons/stand/roll on the floor laughing/00:34
infobotbenson meant: True, it might. I roll on the floor laughing corrected.00:34
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lcukguysoft42, not crashing != working correctly00:34
lcukGuySoft42, that function looks suspiciously like an auto work wrap thingy, but you lose 1 character per line00:36
lcukoooh no even worse :P you stomp over whatever r is on :D00:37
bensonlcuk: sure? I thought it was clean for wrapping.00:37
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lcukmisread horrid array syntax ;)00:37
guysoft42lcuk, its on the way for == working . and then ill have a patch ready :-)00:38
fuzzybunny_125is jonnx there by any chance?00:38
* lcuk didnt know i could declare externals from within a function00:38
bensonlcuk: yes, since we're only making one pass through the data, we should just be incrementing pointers...00:39
bensonIt's more fun that way.00:39
lcukkeeps on toes i suppose ;)00:40
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FuzzyBunny_235is johnx00:44
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FuzzyBunny_235is johnx there00:45
_FireFox_Fuzzybunny_235: not shure :P00:45
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qwerty12_N800hi _FireFox_00:45
FuzzyBunny_235johnx: please respond if u are there00:45
_FireFox_hello, qwerty12_N800 :)00:45
FuzzyBunny_235are u qwerty _12's clone????00:46
_FireFox_no ;p00:46
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housetierwoohey nokia doesn't know what to do with the packages they asked me to send them MONTHS AGO00:47
FuzzyBunny_235im talking to qwerty1200:47
qwerty12_N800yes, I'm his clone :)00:47
bensonNot clones, exactly.00:48
bensonqwerty12 is a Cylon.00:48
FuzzyBunny_235lol. we dont need 2 of him00:48
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qwerty12_N800lol, i'm joking :P00:50
b-man~burn himself00:50
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze00:50
b-manlol XD00:50
guysoft42ok.. one thing i have left - does anyone know how i can get the width of a hildon applet?00:50
guysoft42thats all i need00:50
FuzzyBunny_235does anyone know any good repo lists for os2008 hacks?00:50
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, extras is
FuzzyBunny_235any sites besides gronmayer00:51
bensonand extras-devel, if you like that sort of thing00:51
b-man....or maemo hackers00:51
bensonBeyond that, GIYF00:51
bensonOh, yes, b-man, mh too.00:52
FuzzyBunny_235but i think i already have maemo-hackers00:52
FuzzyBunny_235have you heard any bluetooth hacking apps for os2008?00:53
FuzzyBunny_235im too lazy to google00:54
* b-man googles00:54
bensonI'm _definitely_ too lazy to google for you, so good luck...00:54
guysoft42benson, do you per chance know how i can get the width ofa hildon widget?00:54
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bensonguysoft42: no, 'fraid not.00:55
FuzzyBunny_235we hear u00:55
FuzzyBunny_235why would you00:55
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guysoft42benh, do you know where i might find that in the documentation?00:55
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b-manFuzzybunny_235: wii bluetooth software :)
FuzzyBunny_235cool. it hacks passwords too?00:56
b-manno :( i'll look some more00:57
FuzzyBunny_235yeah. its not malicious hacking. its more white. im just curious00:58
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guysoft42benson, * ^01:00
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b-manBThack: - but you might need to build it first01:00
FuzzyBunny_235i gotta go thanx01:00
b-mansee ya01:00
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bensonguysoft42: Not really.01:02
guysoft42benson, so should i just set it to a number?01:03
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bensonLook at other applets, maybe, see what they do?01:04
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infobotbenson meant: Look at other widgets, maybe, see what they do?01:04
benson(I'm not even sure what this code was a piece of, but telling me won'01:05
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bensont help; I'm just not real clueful about Hildon programming)01:05
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guysoft42ok.. i think i have a patch.. the only thing that is missing is that it breaks line after 20 chars and a whitespace, not according to the window's width01:16
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fhjsfew questions here, im trying to use leafpad to edit my sources.list file so i can remove duplicate entries. however i cant figure out how to back out of my home dir or display hidden files.01:30
guysoft42um, what do i do if i have a nice patch for gpe-summery?01:31
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Macerthis damn G1 wifi tethering works great01:45
Maceri hope att burns down :) tmob ftw01:45
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Maceri ordered my artigo01:48
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guysoft42anyone using gpesummrey here and would like to test a patch?01:51
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guysoft42um this is strange- could it be that something happend to my keymap? because the fn key stoped working..02:02
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fhjsim lost here, how do you open files from outside your home dir in leafpad, your file manager or anything?02:11
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crashanddieNow I understand why you don't need brake-lights on the side of a car:
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practisevoodooanyone got any idea why i cant run a python program that uses gpsbt on my maemo if i try to kick it off via an ssh session?02:14
practisevoodoodoesnt really matter but it is a bit annoying02:14
crashanddieon your maemo?02:15
practisevoodooi must be really tired cause i can only think of one NIT02:16
crashanddiepractisevoodoo: if gpsbt is a command you execute from within python, check if you have the permissions/path set correctly access the executable02:16
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crashanddiepractisevoodoo: 770, n800, n810?02:16
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practisevoodoon810, it works if i kick it off from xsession on the actual device02:17
crashanddiewow, I actually forgot half of that sentence02:17
crashanddiepractisevoodoo: again, let me repeat the path/permission comment02:17
fhjsok i used mc as root in xterm to open my sources.list file in leafpad yet for some strange reason its blank?02:18
crashanddiefhjs: probably wrong path02:19
fhjsshould be it02:19
crashanddiefhjs: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty everywhere, unless you add stuff to it, that is :)02:21
practisevoodooexcellent, thanks for that crashanddie. I ssh in as root and su to user and it works02:21
fhjsi have repos though02:21
fhjsadded via the app manager02:21
crashanddiepractisevoodoo: glad I could help02:21
fhjsunder tools catalogue, where are those stored?02:22
fhjsah thanks02:24
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fhjsstupid doubles in it02:25
fhjstrying to weed them out02:25
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MaceN800now i'm all amped up to get my artigo02:50
MaceN800maybe i'll put mer on it02:51
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t3rminat0rHello guys what's up?03:06
t3rminat0rStskeeps:  is it easy to learn how to make to power button working on mer?03:08
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rm_youjohnx: any luck?03:41
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AndrewfblackAnyone been able to get friendscard to install?04:44
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matt___Does anyone have experience/a link for setting up irreco with vlc?06:52
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t3rminat0rdoes anyone has any good pics of mer???06:57
t3rminat0r(for demonstration)06:57
r2d2rogersStskeeps: Missed a step in the imager, need to make the /dev/input directtory before you mknod in it.  will push a change to lp06:59
t3rminat0rr2d2rogers: have you any repository of mer images?07:00
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r2d2rogerspictures or rootfs images?07:01
r2d2rogerssome there07:01
t3rminat0rthat's what i wanted :)07:02
t3rminat0rthanx bro07:02
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t3rminat0rr2d2rogers: something last07:12
t3rminat0rdo you have any screenshot of splash screen?07:12
t3rminat0rthe boot menu of Nxxx07:13
t3rminat0rin order to access mer or maemo07:13
r2d2rogersnot the rescure menu but the advances bootmenu ?07:13
r2d2rogersrescue menu is in here at the bottom of the post
t3rminat0rman... this is TOO much beautiful...07:15
t3rminat0rin my N81007:15
t3rminat0rit is some letters....07:15
r2d2rogersI'm playing with 770s07:15
t3rminat0rhave I done something wrong?07:15
r2d2rogersyou have just the black text on white screen?07:15
r2d2rogersthat's normal for start07:16
r2d2rogersthen the splash hits07:16
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t3rminat0rhow do I make it?07:16
t3rminat0rit says BOOT MENU07:16
t3rminat0rInterna flash07:16
r2d2rogersis there one for Mer?07:17
t3rminat0rmer on external card, p307:17
r2d2rogersthere ya go07:17
t3rminat0rpower off ( when not on charger)07:17
r2d2rogersdpad down to that and hit the center button on the dpad07:17
r2d2rogersmer on external Card p307:17
t3rminat0rbut it books only a simple screen07:17
r2d2rogersgot it?07:17
r2d2rogersright, the boot menu is...07:18
t3rminat0rI see only this one07:18
t3rminat0rand afterwars the "desktop" of mer07:18
t3rminat0rbut this
t3rminat0ris much more differenet from my mer...07:18
r2d2rogersif you want the rescue menu you need to hole the "home" button from the instant you see the blue splash07:18
r2d2rogersyeah he's got a theme in there.07:19
r2d2rogersI think that might be a mockup also07:19
r2d2rogersnot yet working theme07:19
t3rminat0runtil then it would be simple07:20
r2d2rogersmore like the maemo themes07:20
r2d2rogersbut I think they have some proof od concept work toward that mockup done07:20
t3rminat0rok then07:20
t3rminat0rit's ok07:20
t3rminat0rsomething last07:21
t3rminat0rhad you managed07:21
t3rminat0rto get your powerbutton07:21
t3rminat0r(in order not to type sudo poweroff)07:21
r2d2rogersnope on the 770 I'm still focused on the wifi driver right now07:21
r2d2rogersI don't have a n8x007:21
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t3rminat0rin case I am running out of battery in either maemo07:22
t3rminat0ror mer07:22
t3rminat0rthe device would shutdown by itself?07:22
r2d2rogersyeah, I usually work with it plugged in when I'm playing with Mer right now07:22
r2d2rogersI beleive so... the watchdog stuff is active last I heard07:23
r2d2rogershowdy slonopotamus07:23
slonopotamusanyone tried compiling pygtk on device?07:23
r2d2rogersnot I07:23
t3rminat0rοκ μαν07:24
t3rminat0rand I can also use any install file07:25
t3rminat0rform maemo07:25
t3rminat0ralso in mer07:25
t3rminat0r(such as personal menu, right?)07:25
r2d2rogerst3rminat0r: If you have a recent image I think the hildon application manager is working properly07:26
t3rminat0rnice :)07:26
t3rminat0ri installed fennec07:26
r2d2rogersI think there are issues with the personal menu, but personal launcher works fine07:26
t3rminat0rand it works07:26
r2d2rogersyup I finally saw that on my 770 with Mer07:26
t3rminat0r<G> ?07:26
slonopotamusi have strange results. it builds in 2 minutes on my desktop. i expected something about 10-15 minutes on device. but it compiled gtk.c for a day (!), ate 90 mb ram and still didn't finish. i suspect there is some weird bug in gcc07:26
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Macerwow that thing is pretty small07:48
GeneralAntillesMacer, buy a Beagle.07:50
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Maceralready bought this thing07:57
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jaemgood morning08:55
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Corsacdamn, the tablet doesn't sleep when connected to wlan08:56
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Corsacso it *again* passed out during the night08:56
jaemI have to wonder... why did Nokia name their flasher "fiasco"?  Fiasco is exactly what I *don't* want to happen when I'm flashing :S08:57
Corsacsome kind of humour :)08:57
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GeneralAntillesCorsac, are you sure your AP isn't broken?08:58
GeneralAntillesYou should get about 4 days idle on WiFi if you don't have a broken-ass AP or some service isn't using the network a lot.08:58
CorsacGeneralAntilles: not really sure08:58
Corsacwhat do you call a broken AP?08:58
GeneralAntillesjaem, FIASCO is an RTOS08:58
GeneralAntillesCorsac, one that doesn't support wifi power saving08:59
infoboti guess psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm08:59
infobotrumour has it, wifi-psm is
Corsachow that's surely possible08:59
Corsacand there is trafic (low, but still) basically alway08:59
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jaemGA: that would make more sense, then... how is it related to the flasher, then?09:01
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GeneralAntillesjaem, NOLO09:01
Corsac(french, sorry)09:02
Corsac is the maemo associated bug09:04
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Stskeepspong daperl09:53
daperlStskeeps, what's goin' on? I'm just heading to bed.09:55
Stskeepsnot much. i am waking up, cleaning the house and going to my dads :P09:56
daperlStskeeps, It's midnight here.  What time is it there?09:56
mavhcdamn you round earth, also, ctcp time09:57
Stskeepsdaperl: 8:55am09:59
daperlStskeeps, I have my son till Monday morning.  My hope is to hand something off to you by bedtime Tuesday.10:02
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Stskeepsalright, have a good weekend with the son :)10:08
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daperlStskeeps, thanks, goodnight10:11
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RST38hmoo all10:14
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zeenixkulve: hi, did you get to read MAFW docs12:38
kulveI read just some high level stuff quickly..12:38 is still empty and there's still no "home page" for the project12:39
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RST38hAnyone knows what the status of the latest Canola2b11 is? Can it be promoted to Extras?12:40
* timeless is sick12:40
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, don't promote things you don't own.12:42
zeenixkulve: bah! i really need to talk to those guys12:42
RST38hGeneral: I do not12:42
StsN800<3 trains with wifi12:42
GeneralAntillesRST38h, see this thread for details.12:42
RST38hGeneral: Just inquiring if this is gonna happen any time soon12:42
GeneralAntillesYes, soon, they're just cleaning up a few loose ends.12:43
suihkulokkizeenix: why are you supporting other peoples but not me on MAFW :P12:44
timelesssuihkulokki: s/peoples/people/12:45
zeenixsuihkulokki: because you are asking questions about it that i've no clue about :)12:45
timelesspeoples are like nations12:45
timeless1 person; 2 people12:45
zeenixsuihkulokki: ignore timeless12:45
suihkulokkiI am12:45
zeenixsuihkulokki: when he is correcting your english that is :)12:45
suihkulokkiI typo - therefor I am12:45
RST38hGenral: thanks =)12:45
suihkulokkiI typo - therefor I am _human_12:46
zeenixsuihkulokki: you are peopleS :)12:46
timelesstherefore :)12:46
timelessThe form without a final .E. is an archaic bit of legal terminology meaning .for.. The word most people want is .therefore.. List of errors.12:46
GeneralAntillesRST38h, sorry for the harsh reaction. The way you phrased it immediately made me picture the apocalypse occurring on itT as a thousand posts instantly get added to the b11 thread.12:47
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StsN800isn't every day apocalypse day on iTT?12:48
timelesssts: certainly :)12:49
jaskaor armageddon, the final conflict?12:49
t_s_ois there a way to check if the fm radio electronics are still up and running?12:50
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* RST38h will go and promote random shit from Extras Devel like *right away* =)12:52
RST38hFor extra mayhem12:52
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timelessgan: ok, i've pushed a new .zip12:57
timelesspeople interested in testing my en-us are requested to grab the latest file12:57
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suihkulokki"It's (Exherbo) quite different from other distributions because at this time it doesn't center on end-users, and also doesn't want to attract too many developers."13:00
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StsN802timeless, microb-related string: , spot the error13:00
aquatixStsN802: the first bullet point? at least it's a not-so-fluent sentence13:03
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timelE61isorry, network failed13:03
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timelE61iWe were internally aware of the offline mode stuff13:03
timelE61iAs well as the advice13:04
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timelE61iWe decided to leave it alone13:04
StsN802suihkulokki, sounds like a gentoo derivative..13:04
RST38hsuihkulokki: doesn't this statement cover like 90% inux distros out there?13:05
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GeneralAntillessuihkulokki, it's a lot of ex-Gentoo guys.13:06
StsN802timeless, yeah, i am surprised the error even showed up13:08
suihkulokkiRST38h: most distrost try attract developers the best they can13:08
suihkulokkiexcept for the one-man distros13:08
RST38hsuihkulokki: not Slackware or Gentoo13:09
timelE61iThe skype installer looks funny on Mer/h-d Frem13:09
timelE61iIt pops up at the NW screen corner13:09
StsN802possibly an artefact of movable dialogs13:10
StsN802mauku has a similar issue13:10
suihkulokkiRST38h: I know gentoo recruits new developers, but slackware counts as one-man distro :P13:10
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timelE61iI was asked to add a catlog13:11
timelE61iI clicked details13:11
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timelE61iNow i have a button free dialog13:11
timelE61iIt doesn't respond to escape or clicking out of the dialog13:11
StsN802timelE61i, hmm. yeah, we gotta get the x'es back in dialogs..13:12
* timeless frowns13:13
timelesspicture coming13:13
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StsN802on a slight wtf.. hildonized skype for x86 exists?13:16
timelesssts: from nokia? for nokians?13:16
timelessbut the installer does :)13:16
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StsN802timeless, try enter13:17
timelessno worky13:17
* timeless considers trying to read the code for the skype-installer13:17
StsN802prolly cos ham is half diablo and a bit pre fremantle13:17
timelessiirc i've actually looked recently13:17
timelessoh, but hrm, yeah, no point in looking at the installer13:18
timelessthis is a ham bug13:18
StsN802(it is not the git version)13:18
timelesswhich ham do i have?13:18
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StsN802ham svn garage r1465 i think13:18
timelessi have 1:2.1.20~unreleased-r1...13:19
StsN802we didn't have upstart-dev and others beforre prealpha2 so we couldn't do git13:19
timelessis my version sane?13:19
StsN802no, but it works reasonably.. we have to pull in the new patches13:20
StsN802from git ver13:20
timelessmy definition of sane is 'not diablo'13:21
timelessremember i've installed nearly every diablo package there is :)13:21
timelessgotta collect them all13:21
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* timeless pokes gan/jaffa13:24
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timelesssts: should i file a bug about ham?13:24
timelessgan: can i get you to test my latest l10n pack?13:25
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timelesssts: from memory, the skype installer basically has a .install file and then asks ham to open it13:26
GAN800In a bit13:26
timelessthe install file merely specifies the nokia catalog (tableteer), and the package to install (dunno)13:26
timelessthe details dialog seems to be app modal13:27
timelessso i can't click the app close button13:27
timelessand because of its position, i can't click the window switcher button13:27
timelessi canuse my keyboard to open the window switcher, but of course [x] doesn't work, because the app proceses events13:28
* timeless sighs13:28
* timeless coplained about this behavior a couple of years ago13:28
timelesssts: can you use a core dump from ham?13:29
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timelessoh gah13:32
* timeless sighs13:32
* timeless kicks osso-games13:33
timelessthey really don't get this "one string per use" thing13:33
StsN802timeless, judging from your screenshots it really does seem like there is hope for mer bits combined with fremantle closed source bits is possible13:33
timelessi'm having very few problems13:33
timelessa couple of things don't install13:34
timelessbut that's because of dependency hell13:34
StsN802timeless, yes, file a bug, but to mer for now13:34
timelesswhich is so much worse than dll hell13:34
StsN802yes, it is13:34
StsN802we have some dirty tricks to make it easier to grab maemo stuff13:35
StsN802you would be astonished how much depends on 'base64'13:35
timelessi have an xref, i can just ask :)13:35
timelessatm, xkbdata is the one that kills me13:36
timelessif you could make the package you have use provides instead of conflicts13:36
timelessthat'd let me install the last missing bits of diablo13:36
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StsN802which package?13:37
timelessxkb-data 1.4-1ubuntu313:37
timelessxkbdata 0.8-0osso28diablo213:37
timelessthe former conflicts w/ the latter13:37
StsN802it doesn't provides it too?13:37
timelessand some bits of osso depend on the latter13:37
timelessnot afaict13:38
StsN802they don't depend based on version right?13:38
timelessunversioned requirement from osso-applet-bluetooth-keyboard13:39
StsN802should be relatively painless then13:40
timelessi gave up and wget + dpkg -i'd it13:40
* timeless doesn't consider the currrent state painless13:40
timelessbut yes, it should be13:40
StsN802as in, to fix it13:41
timelesscan someone tell me what version of skype-installer is in the latest official diablo?13:41
GeneralAntillestimeless, what should I be paying attention to?13:41
timelessoh, nm13:41
timelessgan: um, sadly everything13:42
timelessi tried to get 'AV Chat' right13:42
timelessi tried to get 'call' mostly dead13:42
timelessi tried not to use 'device' unless i meant bluetooth13:42
timelessi'm trying not to use ... for things where the user is asking for a dialog13:42
timelessso a menu should be 'settings' not 'settings...'13:42
timelessbut an item 'add foopy...' needs the '...'s because the user will hit a dialog before the user can successfully get the user's foopy13:43
zeenixkulve: btw, i'll try to get a GSoC student to write the gvfs backend13:43
zeenixkulve: i hope you don't mind me mentioning your project there :)13:44
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timelessin general, there shouldn't be many instances of 'phone'13:44
timelessthe uses of 'mobile' should be rare (cellular)13:44
GeneralAntilleszeenix, I only got the Rygel/Farscape connection recently. Nice name. ;)13:45
timelessi've tried to make the media player net radio directory strings rane13:45
timelessthe errors from media player are still not ideal13:46
timelessif you use maps or rhapsody or skype, things should be closer to the strings seen elsewhere13:46
timelessoh, in general you shouldn't see 'Internet connection'13:46
timelessbecause the tablet doesn't really know if the connection is for the Internet or just some private network13:47
timelesshowever, i think some of those strings need work13:47
timelessbecause sometimes 'connection' alone is probably less than ideal13:47
timelessin the cases i caught that, it should say 'network' instead13:47
kulvezeenix: of course not :)13:48
kulvezeenix: and I want to integrate it to ALIP as well (in
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timelesswhere does one go to file bugs against osso-games?13:49
zeenixGeneralAntilles: heh! thanks13:49
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* timeless forwns13:53
* timeless frowns13:53
timelessanyone here know what _ai_ means? :)13:54
timelesserr _ia_13:54
aquatixintel architecture?13:56
* aquatix needs more context otherwise13:56
Jaffatimeless: examples? "internet ..."?13:57
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* Jaffa stopped trying to guess what the two-letter codes were in the i18n strings13:57
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aquatixinput autput?14:01
* aquatix runs14:01
timelessinternal application? :)14:02
* timeless shrugs14:02
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timelessall i know is that ia != ib14:02
timelessand yet, bug 411214:02
* timeless grumbles14:02
timelessoh, and for people who are curious, titles != buttons14:02
Jaffatimeless: interactive?14:02
timelessthis string is mostly printed int he games startup above start/continue14:03
timelessor whatever those buttons say14:03
timelessin my localization it's " "14:03
timelessbecause it's stupid14:03
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timelessbut it means you get an empty info banner :)14:03
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GeneralAntillesNokia's just encoding dirty words into the strings. ;)14:04
aquatixhm, initiation action?14:04
* timeless shrugs14:05
timelessgan's right, you don't want to know14:05
dphil9000In Finnish14:05
* timeless doesn't know and should be glad14:05
tekojoGeneralAntilles: and then we censor ourselves?14:06
timelesstekojo: where do you censor yourself?14:07
timeless(or self-censor)14:07
RST38h"Text messaging, email and internet chat rooms are showing us the way forward for English. Let's allow people greater freedom to spell logically. It's time to remove the fetish that says that correct spelling is a principal (principle?) mark of being educated."14:07
tekojotimeless: in the dirty words section14:07
timelesstekojo: is diablo a dirty word these days?14:07
RST38hJohn Wells of University College London (you will have to google for his email to flame him)14:08
tekojotimeless: depends on the language :-)14:08
timeless(which is a dirty language fwiw, but..)14:09
* StsN801 glances at the snow outside the train and suspects its cold ..14:09
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aquatixRST38h: to hell with capital letters and interpunction LOL14:11
RST38hand spelin tu i heit spelin14:11
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aquatixsaves a lot of bandwidth14:12
GeneralAntillesaquatix, just think of all the money we'll save not having to upgrade the internet!14:12
timelessmy favorite box has a 95gb allocation14:13
timelessit's full14:13
RST38hGeneral: But only if you convert all the porn into ascii art14:13
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aquatixRST38h: you mean you aren't watching ascii pr0n then normally?14:13
RST38haquatix: somehow, this fad passed me unnoticed14:14
* aquatix likes the streaming ascii video better though14:14
timelessgoogle bought a finnish paper mill14:14
aquatixheh, yeah14:15
lardmantimeless: trying to shutdown paper publishing from the inside?14:15
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timelessthe mill closed first14:15
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aquatixalways one step ahead ;)14:16
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GeneralAntilleslol . . . the things people think are "realistic"
aquatix# Dual SD-card slots OR MORE14:49
aquatixwhere's my octo-SD setup!14:49
aquatixthe part about no internal flash actually sounds sensible to me14:50
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aquatixas in, having replacable flash in there14:51
thopiekarGeneralAntilles: very realistic isn't it? :D14:51
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jaskawell, 512m ram would be nice14:51
Andrewfblackwhy don't we just go for 1gb of ram :)14:54
jaska*shrug* as long as its atleast 256m :)14:54
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* aquatix requests 448MB of ram14:55
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: who of is in the netherlands?14:56
AndrewfblackNew device is supose to have bulit in data right os I assume a sim card slot but I don't know anyone in the us that offers a data only plan unless its the same plan that is for like the data cards and they are like $60 a month14:56
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, X-Fade?14:57
GeneralAntillesjaska, RAM has a non-trivial effect on battery, sadly.14:57
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I was thinking about this, because there are two scenarios we should take into account14:57
jaskaconsdering as it is the browser munches uuh, maybe 100m of it14:58
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GeneralAntillesjaska, an up-to-date Gecko will help a lot.14:58
Andrewfblackwow that last guy wants a screen the size of the entire N800 lol how big will the device be14:58
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: 1/ it would make sense to have the financial operator reside in the country we are considering for the summit, as this would limit transaction fees14:58
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GeneralAntillesThere've been some major RAM consumption improvements since alpha 114:58
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jaskastill, i wouldnt say its unreasonable to expect 256m14:59
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: b/ find someone who whould take that role for a longer period of time (ie: not on a per-summit basis)14:59
GeneralAntillesjaska, no, 256MB sounds right to me.15:00
mgedminRAID-6 on SD cards, m...15:00
AndrewfblackI  like the guy who wants 3 sd card slots15:00
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jaskaraid-6? sounds like a rewrite hell for the flashes :D15:01
Andrewfblackas big as sd cards are getting it wont suprise me to see only 115:01
ShadowJKmy bet is single microsd ;p15:03
AndrewfblackShadowJK, same here15:03
crashanddieI don't care about SD/microSD, as it's not miniSD15:04
ShadowJKbuilt-in data would be awesome. My operator offers "parallell" sim cards tied to your normal cellphone number, with unlimited data. Perfect for modems15:04
Andrewfblacklet me guess your not in the US15:04
crashanddies/as/as long as/15:04
infobotcrashanddie meant: I don't care about SD/microSD, as long as it's not miniSD15:04
ShadowJKI have a microsd card in my N810... those adapters kingston bundles with their cheapo cards are wonderful15:04
ShadowJKAndrewfblack, indeed15:04
ShadowJKAndrewfblack, it would still have wlan and bluetooth I'm sure15:05
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, it'll have HSPA. . . .15:05
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ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, the interesting question will be which bands it'll be able to use ;-)15:06
Andrewfblackyeah but built in data would be cool if we could get decent plan in the  us, I'm considering getting a 3G wireless router for my truck since the data plan on it is cheaper then most "Cell Phone" companys15:06
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: again, no comment on what I said earlier?15:06
timelE61isHadow: heh15:06
timelE61iNo one mentioned that interally15:06
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I'm not one for handling money.15:06
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, but it sounds reasonable to me.15:07
GeneralAntillesAndrewfblack, AT&T should be $30 or $35/mo15:07
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ShadowJKIt's kinda unfortunate that services and devices are in some countries so strongly bundled together, and that you can't get decent service without buying a device too, often a operator-crippled device.15:07
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I'm not really happy about it, but Quim seems to have made his mind about it15:08
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: and we both know that if he starts looking for such a person, he *will* find one. There will always be someone to send money around, people like that...15:08
AndrewfblackThats if they consider it a smartphone and lets you use that plan, if they require the datacard plan isn't it more15:08
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, happy about having somebody besides Nokia handle the smaller payouts?15:08
GeneralAntillesI don't see the problem, really.15:09
GeneralAntillesJust get somebody on the team.15:09
timelE61ifwiw, he's right15:09
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timelE61iThe nokia stuff really doesn't work for small numbers15:09
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's not like we're gonna hand off the responsibility to the first joker to pop out of the woodwork.15:09
crashanddietimelE61i: don't tell me Nokia only pays expenses in 4 digit cheques15:10
timelE61ii have a 3digit expense15:10
timelE61iI haven't gotten reim'd15:10
AndrewfblackGeneralAntilles, Well I guess they will consider the Tablet a PDA and that would allow for the $30 Plan15:10
StsN802heh, departments at times15:11
ShadowJKtransactions from holland to rest of EU are "free", I think15:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, ask some of the guys who were sponsored to LinuxTag when they got reimbursed.15:11
crashanddieShadowJK: nope15:11
ShadowJKcrashanddie, ah pity15:11
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I know how it was, trust me15:11
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Andrewfblackbtw when they say its going to have HSPA do they mean only HSPA or will it allow connections to Edge networks and others also?15:11
ShadowJKEU has a rule requiring transactions to other EU countries to cost the same as transactions inside the country, which in many cases translates to "free" :)15:12
StsN802it was impossible to buy a ticket to a city in the region through dept procedure but trivial to get a trip to hong kong15:12
GeneralAntillesAndrewfblack, I'm almost certain HSPA implies EDGE.15:12
timelE61iandrew: they say to read the roadmap15:12
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* timelE61i has no idea15:12
GeneralAntillesI haven't seen a device that supports 3G but not 2G, personally.15:12
AndrewfblackGeneralAntilles, Ok becuase I know alot of the US still doesn't have anything better then Edge15:12
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine them crippling a device like that anyway.15:13
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, there are a few with 3g and gprs but no egprs(edge)15:13
crashanddieShadowJK: I just sent money to my family in France (I'm in the UK) and it cost me 3% in charges15:13
ShadowJKmostly sonyericsson, i think15:13
AndrewfblackI think I have to driver about 3 hours for 3G connection lol15:13
ShadowJKcrashanddie, yes well UK is kinda special...15:14
JaffaIntra-eurozone could be cheaper15:14
crashanddieShadowJK: and last time I checked, I paid as much when I sent money from Belgium to France, or France to luxembourg15:14
ShadowJKYou're getting ripped off :P15:14
* Andrewfblack will come visit GeneralAntilles if he wants to use his tablet on a 3G network15:15
ShadowJKiirc, if you aren't doing it through IBAN they can charge you whatever they like15:15
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GeneralAntillesI get strong 3G coverage in the 2 cities I frequent.15:15
AndrewfblackPanama City would be the closest place for me I think15:16
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crashanddieIBAN = Internation Bank Account Number15:16
crashanddieIBAN != money transfer protocol15:16
AndrewfblackI consider my town a big city but in south alabama it really don't matter how big you are still slow on stuff like 3G :)15:17
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timelE61itEkojo: have i asked which gateway you use?15:21
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tekojotimelE61i: ??15:22
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tekojotimelE61i: that's where I come out15:23
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AndrewfblackI was watching a video of a nokia design talking about the n97 I think its funny when they refer to there Cell Phones as mobile computers when you know they have a line of mobile computers15:24
aquatixjust watched it too15:25
aquatixi'm curious to the interface of the 5800 and n97 in real life15:25
crashanddieShadowJK: Some banks will charge USD 45.- or EUR 20.- for initiating a foreign transfer, which indeed is very expensive say if you want to pay somebody just EUR 10 to a person in neighbouring EU country like from France to Germany.15:26
crashanddieShadowJK: kthxbai15:26
GeneralAntillesAndrewfblack, yeah, I found that interesting too.15:26
crashanddieanyway, to come back to the Financing Proxy15:26
GeneralAntillesI wonder what the new branding direction for the tablets will be.15:26
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GeneralAntillesSince it's apparently not "Internet Tablet"15:26
AndrewfblackI wonder what they refer to the new device as since Mobile Compter is taken lol15:27
Andrewfblackjeremiah, lol15:27
GeneralAntillesAndrewfblack, well, they're bigger and more powerful than the N-series phones.15:28
GeneralAntillesMobile mainframe?15:28
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Meiz_n810my n810 thinks the charger is plugged in all the time O_o15:28
jeremiahThen one should be able to create an ad hoc grid15:28
jeremiahand distribute processing.15:28
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crashanddieI don't like the idea of giving the money to an individual, there is too much opportunity for fraud or abuse. Historically, when a corporation wants to organise an event, they would use an event planner or event bureau, whatever you want to call it. This is a commercial company that would take the responsibility to work around the budget15:28
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Andrewfblack I want to see that project for free15:29
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, well, if X-Fade or dneary fuck it all up, we know where to find them. ;)15:29
Andrewfblackfor real I mean15:29
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: haha, true15:29
JaffaIf that person has a commercial relationship with Nokia already, is it any different to a Nokia employee doing it?15:29
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crashanddieJaffa: I think Quim clearly expressed he did not wish to commit anyone full time to this15:30
crashanddieand yes, organising such an event will require full time work for at least a couple of weeks15:30
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jeremiahConference organizing is hard, lots of work.15:31
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crashanddieIt's a lot easier to work with an event planner as they are used to doing this. They have the experience, and probably the contacts to take care of this. Just google "evenementenbureau amsterdam".15:32
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, well, maybe we should do it through an event planner. :P15:33
GeneralAntillesFeel free to suggest it.15:33
crashanddieI will15:33
ShadowJKcrashanddie, but it will be classified as "domestic transfer" as long as you give all the details required, even if it goes to another EU country :-)15:39
ShadowJKand if the currency is in euro15:39
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ShadowJKI did a fi->nl transfer a couple of years ago, cost nothing15:42
ShadowJKit was bloody slow though15:42
ShadowJKtook like 4 days15:42
Andrewfblackis garage still not updateing karma?15:42
timelE61igan, installed?15:43
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* timelE61i needs more tea15:46
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jeremiahI hear that - I need some tea too.15:48
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, yeah, I've poked around a bit15:50
GeneralAntillesHaven't found anything glacing15:50
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Haven't found anything glaring15:50
GeneralAntillesThough I'm not a big fan of "AV Chat"15:50
* timeless nods15:51
timelessno one is15:51
timelessVideoTalk ?15:51
timelessit's not much longer15:51
GeneralAntillesNo, not really any good either.15:51
timelessit's not particularly accurate15:51
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GeneralAntillesThe OMAG blog is funny.16:04
GeneralAntillesYou're required to log in to post comments, but there's no way to register.16:04
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jaskafairly blogspammy, just links to youtube video?16:07
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johnxa youtube video that he probably saw posted on engadget mobile16:07
johnxand which was already discussed here :)16:08
_usersay, anyone know what these maps are for on my internal memory? 1.5G worth of stuff16:09
bilboed-pi_user, wild gues... for the map application ?16:09
Jaffa_user: the built-in Maps application. The maps for the region in which your device was sold are included as standard16:10
_useryou mean maemo-mapper?16:10
timelessif it's 1.5g, it's almost certainly US EAst and US West16:10
johnxnope "Nokia Maps"16:10
timelessjohnx: Nokia Map16:11
timelessyay stupidity :)16:11
timelessand technically not Nokia16:11
timelessit's Navicore16:11
_usermine didn't come with that16:11
timeless_user: in the application menu, my selection, the first item is typically 'Map'16:11
_userwait n/m16:11
GeneralAntilles"Nokia Maps" is an application for S6016:12
johnxfair enough16:12
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johnxthe package is 'maps' though IIRC16:13
timelessit's 'map'16:13
timelessinternally :)16:13
GeneralAntillesIt's all highly confusing, very technical, and entirely pointless.16:13
timelessif you're an English speaker16:13
timelessyou're encouraged to get the en-US translation from extras-devel :)16:13
timelessand then you can have better names but join in the confusion :)16:14
timeless(it renames Map to Maps)16:14 I see why I'm confused :P16:14
timelesshey, it renames Web to Browser too :)16:15
johnxI never even touched the app before I was checking out your translation because it utterly fails to cover that land mass east of Europe and west of America16:15
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* timeless nods16:16
timelesssorry about that16:16
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timelessI'll have to provide a translation table to help people recover from nokia string land16:16
johnxheh. no problem :) I just want some freaking maps of that place where I live16:16
timelesscan't help you there :)16:16
johnxand I know that Navicore has them given that Nxx phones are on sale here...16:17
_usermaemo-mapper versus nokia maps16:18
timelessthere are 3 map apps of interest in realm: Nokia16:18
timelessNokia Maps (s60)16:18
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timelessNavicore Maps (s60, 770, n800+n810)16:18
timelessMaemo Mapper (770, n800, n810)16:19
timelessthe product that ships w/ the n800/n810 is Navicore Maps which we've branded "Map"16:19
timeless(because we're really clever)16:19
timelessgan: ham now says: Checking for updates<semicolon> please wait16:20
timelessif there are other places which uses please wait but need punctuation help, please let me know16:20
timelessi haven't spent much time on that16:20
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* timeless tries to install battlegweled16:21
* timeless grumbles16:23
* timeless kicks battlegweled16:23
timelessoh btw, sts?16:23
timelessham complains:16:23
timelessget btname: Method "GetName" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist16:23
timelessi'd assume that's what breaks HAM's device name feature16:24
* timeless grumbles16:24
* timeless kicks sdl16:24
timelessso i need a libsdl1.2debian-alsa which claims to be newer than the real one16:24
zeenixkulve: there are debian packages in here:
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_useris google gears available for maemo?16:25
zeenixkulve: i don't really think you need the sources to use the framework if there are nice docs available :)16:25
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timelesssp3000: Crash Reporter claims to have installed!16:26
zeenixkulve: and if you do need the source, tarballs are also available in that location16:26
zeenixkulve: afaict, you have everything you need already :)16:26
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kulvezeenix: I need to check those at some point16:28
zeenixkulve: it's your project so take as much time as you want/need, i am only getting rid of all excuses you have :)16:30
johnx_user, kind of. I know there was a version that worked but I'm not sure if there is a package made for the latest version of maemo16:32
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dnearyGeneralAntilles, crashanddie: For community events, I'm not exactly a neophyte, and I have time paid for, after all16:35
* timeless chuckles16:35
dnearyI think I would enjoy organising it, actually16:35
timelessgan: for kicks, try opening pdf viewer16:36
timelessopen a doc (e.g. osso_software_copyright)16:36
timelesspress the left arrow key for a while16:36
timelessthen press right arrow a couplle of time16:36
timelessyou should see 'Loading' appear and go away16:36
timelessand then you should see16:36
timelessCan't go past first page16:36
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timelesseven though you're on page 3 or 4 :)16:36
RST38hmoo, johnx16:38
johnxm00f RST38h16:38
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rm_youjohnx: ? :P16:38
johnxhey rm_you16:39
woglindehi johnx and rst16:39
johnxhi woglinde16:39
RST38hehlo, woglinde, rm_you16:39
RST38hrm_you: how is school doing? =)16:39
rm_youRST38h: yo :) not bad16:39
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rm_younot failing anything this time around I think16:40
rm_youstatistics sucks, cause I don't do numbers <_<16:40
rm_youbut othewrwise all is well :)16:40
rm_youjohnx: have a chance to try ABL-SVN yet?16:40
johnxtried to compile it a bit16:41
rm_youi can has kitteh on mah keyboard <_<16:42
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johnxbut didn't get around it's demand for kernel headers in a certain place16:42
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rm_youif i su to johnx and go into scratchbox, would i be in a Mer build env?16:44
GeneralAntillesdneary, talk to crashanddie not me. :)16:44
rm_youk i'll look at that16:45
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rm_youafter i brb16:45
johnxlook in my projects folder16:45
rm_youmust shower before class16:45
* rm_you tries to shoo the kitteh off his mouse, but fails16:45
dnearyGeneralAntilles: You don't like me talking to you?16:45
rm_youand can't click currently16:45
GeneralAntillesdneary, crashanddie was the one worried about an individual handling the cash.16:46
dnearyGeneralAntilles: I'd agree16:46
dnearyThere needs to be checks & balances16:46
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dnearyWhat you'd need, IMHO, is a budget proposed by Quim, Tero, me & the council (based on last year's costs), approved within Nokia, and then have the spending of that budget overseen by the council, with me just asking for money to get paid16:47
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dnearyIt'd probably be easier for money to be paid outside of Nokia, but Nokia pay suppliers too, so...16:48
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crashanddiedneary: problem is that checking what an individual does is hell. Administrative hell.16:51
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udovdhok, so usb networking works17:01
udovdhssh works17:01
udovdhcould I automate the g_ether module loading with the usb-otg plugin?17:01
udovdhor does that remain a manual action?17:01
johnxthat's the goal of the plugin17:01
udovdh(as is the ifup usb0)17:01
johnxit worked well at one point17:01
udovdhI set the usb to network17:02
udovdhthen I have to modprobe g-ether17:02
udovdhit gives a busy first17:02
udovdh2nd attempt succeeds17:02
udovdhthen I can ifup usb017:02
johnxif it doesn't work now your choices are: 1) fix the plugin 2) submit a bug report and wait17:02
udovdhI just got my n81017:02
udovdhI have to learn how it works17:02
udovdhand how different it is from the angstrom on my h2210 ipaq pda17:02
udovdhor the fedora on the desktop17:03
johnxit's more like debian than angstrom17:03
udovdhI also read about a respin of debian on the n810?17:03
udovdh(the layoit of the fs, choice of tools etc could be different)17:03
dnearycrashanddie: That depends entirely17:03
johnxthe fs layout is mostly similar to debian, but the tools are different17:03
dnearycrashanddie: The state does it all the time17:04
RST38hrm_you: Statistics as in STAT400 or its like?17:04
dnearyYou request that someone prepares accounts, you come & compare bank statements, receipts & revenue statements17:04
udovdhalso i have to check out the menu customization, etc17:04
udovdhinstall some apps17:04
udovdhbuild a setup to build navit (like bitbake on OE)17:04
woglindeor appmanager17:04
crashanddiedneary: are you going to check every receipt?17:05
udovdhseeÅngström for what I tried for angstrom and navit17:05
johnxudovdh, for compiling apps you want maemo sdk17:05
udovdhI saw about that yes17:05
dnearycrashanddie: If I'm the one handling the money, then I'll have to17:05
udovdhit can deliver installable packages?17:05
udovdhlike bitbake for OE?17:05
dnearycrashanddie: And if I'm not the one handling the money, then Nokia will do it17:05
johnxyou can use it to build debian packages17:05
woglindeudovdh you could try chinook-compat distro in oe17:05
dneary(that is, if we're going through their accounts dept17:05
udovdhwoglinde, that sounds interesting17:06
woglindeudovdh and with luck it produces a .deb for you17:06
johnxand there are some packages for navit for maemo IIRC17:06
udovdhif I could re-use that setup17:06
rm_youRST38h: don't know that system, but here it's like... MATH-132117:06
crashanddiedneary: then where's the difference between allowing Nokia's accounting to do it directly? If they're going to do all the paperwork anyway?17:06
udovdhjohnx, I know; just want to build myself17:06
udovdhnavit is still very much in development17:06
dnearycrashanddie: I don't know if you read what I said before?17:06
RST38hrm_you: STAT400 is a generic Statistics for Engineers, senior year17:06
udovdhand stuff changes almost every week17:06
rm_youRST38h: this is statistics for math majors, but it's an intro class, freshman level\17:07
crashanddieshit, disregard that, wrong paste17:07
dnearycrashanddie: If council + quim + Tero + me prepare a budget proposal, approved by Nokia, the money gets set against a project, then people invoice against that project17:07
rm_youRST38h: and the second time I've taken it O_o17:07
RST38hrm_you: oh :(17:07
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dnearyI keep accounts, I'm responsible to the council, the money goes from Nokia's bank accounts to the supplier's.17:07
udovdhwoglinde, how well does the chinook-compat distro work in OE?17:07
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rm_youRST38h: I just don't give a $(@*, so its really hard to pay attention, and it doesnt really sink in17:07
dnearyWe could do it differently17:07
udovdhas well as OE works for H2210 ipaq?17:07
RST38hrm_you: "This is your brain. This is your brain on math major classes."17:08
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crashanddiedneary: I thought Quim clearly stated Nokia would not be doing small payments17:08
RST38hwazd: heya17:08
dnearyCreate a dedicated organisation just to organise the event, open a bank account, make a budget proposal to Nokia, Nokia gives us a one-time grant, which we spend17:08
RST38hwazd: Good news and bad news17:08
RST38hwazd: Good: TI83 now fully funcitonal.17:08
dnearyIn that case, I prepare accounts & forward the council bank statements, they verify my expenditures, done17:08
rm_youso i just realized, dsme is open now right?17:08
rm_youGeneralAntilles: right?17:08
udovdhwhat is the best simpel mediaplayer like xmms for n810?17:09
dnearycrashanddie: we will do it in a way that makes sense17:09
udovdhI use xmms on fedora and like it much for mp3 etc17:09
GAN800rm_you, yeah, the Fremantle release anyway.17:09
wazd_n800hola world)17:09
RST38hwazd: Bad: a few TI83 faceplate buttons are misnamed, some symbols are not readable enough and (worst of all) TI83 uses 96x64 display! =(17:09
crashanddiedneary: of course, we're just trying to find that one :)17:09
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dnearyif Nokia making small payments doesn't make sense, we won't do that17:09
rm_youso I could make some ABL-specific fixes and release a custom dsme?17:09
rm_youawww only for Fremantle?17:09
johnxudovdh, good news: you can continue to use it :)17:09
wazd_n800RST38h, I know  bout plates17:09
udovdhjohnx, thanks, interesting!17:09
* rm_you still uses xmms17:09
wazd_n800RST38h, fixed already17:10
RST38hwazd: The 96-pixel thing is a real problem though =(17:10
* rm_you still uses his own crazy patched version of xmms (used to do xmms development somewhat, before maemo)17:10
wazd_n800RST38h, oh(17:10
crashanddiedneary: I'm just raising my concerns about giving a single individual that kind of importance17:10
RST38hwazd: There are two ways to handle it17:10
crashanddiedneary: I'm not saying I don't want to see it happen, far from it17:10
* luke-jr uses mplayer + find17:10
wazd_n800RST38h, I've made all plates with 9617:10
wazd_n800RST38h, just made in narrow17:11
dnearyAnd I'm saying that any time there is the possibility of giving one person a lot of importance, there is the possibility to institute reasonable checks & balances17:11
crashanddiewith immense overhead17:11
luke-jrRST38h: wait, did you put Linux on TI83?17:11
RST38hwazd: One is to continue using x3 magnification, second is to use x4 magnification17:11
dnearyWhat's the best way to get a Beagle Board in France?17:11
RST38hluke: No, I put TI83 on Linux17:11
luke-jrthat's new?17:11
RST38hwazd: Have you got them at radikal? =)17:12
dnearycrashanddie: I would say, as much or as little overhead as is needed for people to have confidence17:12
crashanddiedneary: buying from the beagleboard website17:12
udovdhok brb soon17:12
luke-jrRST38h: I hope those 96 pixels are zoomed ;)17:12
dnearycrashanddie: If you're sending a kid to buy bread and you want a check & balance, you give him €1 and ask him to bring you back change17:12
crashanddiedneary: an other option would be to create an entity that would handle all the future summits17:12
luke-jrthat'd be like 1/3 in on the N810 i think17:13
dnearyIf he buys a 5c sweet while he's at it, it isn't a big deal17:13
wazd_n800RST38h, I'm heaing back from the country right now17:13
wazd_n800RST38h, I tried to upload them yesterday17:13
Jaffacrashanddie: and that's getting closer to making and/or the Council a proper legal entity17:13
RST38hwazd: Understood. Ok, will be doing TI83+ in the meanwhile17:13
dnearyBut if you're giving someone €100,000 and you tell him to go organise an event for 200 people, then of course, you will want to see a budget beforehand, and you'll want to see regular updates on what has been spent, what is planned, and all expenses need receipts of invoices17:13
crashanddiedneary: and if you give a single individual 20k to play with, and he skims 1euro off every single transactions, that still isn't a big deal?17:13
RST38hwazd: Using x4 magnification may actually be cool for these screens but I am not sure if the keypad will fit17:14
wazd_n800RST38h, radikal, iphoto, dump and imageshack didn't e17:14
RST38hwazd: GPRS?17:14
dnearycrashanddie: It's easier to skim off when there's €1 than €20K17:14
wazd_n800RST38h, work with shitty gprs17:14
dnearycrashanddie: When you're at €20K people tend to pay more attention17:14
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dnearyWhich is OK, it's a reasonable level of checks & balances17:14
GAN800qwerty12 has GOT to be kidding with the Droid font version string. . . .17:15
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* johnx still wonders about that 'leaked' Nokia handset keeps looking tabletesque to me and it has the right features to be the n90017:18
GAN800Too small17:18
Jaffajohnx: screen might be too small17:18
JaffaDifficult to judge from the photos I saw17:18
lardmanhope it's not for the very reason GAN800 said17:18
johnxpeople have done 800x480 in 3.5"17:18
johnxand really, that's the only want to make something phone sized...17:18
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JaffaThe existing screen is too small physically most of the time.17:18
GAN800Find the part number for the lcd from the kernel17:18
Jaffa(although the device is the right size, a smaller bezel would be nice :-))17:19
GAN8003.5" wouldn't fly for Maemo17:19
Zhilin_n800back, sorry17:19
lardmanJaffa: +117:19
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johnxGAN800, I don't think the kernel would have LCD info...just LCD controller17:19
GAN800johnx, look, then. :)17:19
JaffaGAN800: if it is supporting more "normal" phone features - including voice calls without a BT headset - they may have to shrink the device size to make it attractive as a "normal" phone17:19
GAN800Jaffa, cuts into the N-series market, and I don't see them doing that.17:20
johnxgsmarena has some specs on it and they line up quite eerily: 32GB flash, AGPS, FM transmitter/receiver, 5MP camera, WiFi, TV-out and BT17:20
GAN800AKM565 something.17:20
GAN800It's a Sony panel.17:20
JaffaGAN800: We could get surprised next week when they announce the first non-Symbian N-series phone.17:20
johnxI'll google then :)17:21
Jaffas/surprised/*very* surprised/17:21
infobotJaffa meant: GAN800: We could get *very* surprised next week when they announce the first non-Symbian N-series phone.17:21
luke-jrbtw, is it possible to get GPRS on N810?17:21
luke-jrw/ an add-on of some sort?17:21
GAN800Jaffa, too soon. I just don't see it.17:21
Jaffaluke-jr: via a Bluetooth PAN device, yes.17:21
johnxluke-jr, sure: pair it to a phone or use a usb hub and GPRS modem17:21
JaffaGAN800: No, I suspect you're right17:21
GAN800Besides, they were very insistent that it was data-only.17:22
luke-jrwait, only 1 week until the next gen Nokia? :/17:22
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wazdoh, speculations)17:22
JaffaGAN800: Ari *wasn't*.17:22
luke-jrso still no date?17:22
johnxGAN800, hang on I'll dig throug the source again, but I swear I saw something about "celluar call" at one point17:22
wazdI like it)17:22
JaffaGAN800: At OSiM he very clearly said "data is all we're talking about today" - and you've seen the files from the SDK talking about voice calls over GSM etc.17:23
* luke-jr would hate to buy his N810 just before a new thing comes out17:23
GAN800johnx, lardman can send you a parts list from the kernel.17:23
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Jaffajohnx: you did, I unpacked the source and looked through it myself17:23
johnxGAN800, it was a string somewhere17:23
GAN800johnx, re the lcd17:23
lardmanjohnx: give me an email address and I'll forward the list if you want17:23
johnxlardman, mind if I /msg you?17:23
Macerdamn why can't i live across teh street from the local ups office?17:23
Macerthen i could just walk across the street and pick the shit up17:24
RST38hwazd: I once managed to maintian a gprs connection all the way to .by17:24
lardmanjohnx: np17:24
luke-jrMacer: usually not17:24
Jaffajohnx: there's lots of stuff about voice calls over GSM in bluez/audio/telephony-maemo.c17:24
RST38hwazd: was a bit patchy, but worked17:24
Maceri wonder what they do for pkgs for people who live down the block... do they still load it on a truck and drive around with it to drop it off?17:24
luke-jrMacer: I've tried that for almost every shipment of mine, and only succeeded once.17:24
Macerluke-jr: i've gone to the ups office and picked it up17:24
Macera few times17:24
GAN800Jaffa, well, it would solve my new phone dilema. ;)17:24
luke-jrusually it's still on a truck, and needs to be scanned etc17:24
luke-jrand won't be scanned until the next day17:25
lardmanACX565AKM is the panel17:25
wazdRST38h, I'm trying to upload 100kb jpg for 5 minutes already)17:25
luke-jrMacer: the one time I succeeded, UPS decided the roads were too bad to deliver17:25
Macerwell. i'm waiting on my damn picoUPS today ;)17:25
Macerso i can get this damn shuttle k45 working again17:25
Sargun_Screenluke-jr: They can do that?17:25
RST38hwazd: Just give up and wait until MKAD or something17:25
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luke-jrSargun_Screen: yeah, I don't blame them either17:25
luke-jrSargun_Screen: I almost didn't make it there and back safely.17:26
JaffaGAN800: interesting stuff in there about conference calls too17:26
Macerluke-jr: must have been an important pkg ;)17:26
Sargun_Screenluke-jr: i didn't know that. I live in California, we get stranded by sub-50 degree temperatures17:26
Sargun_ScreenWe don't have seasons exactly...17:26
luke-jrMacer: no, I just don't fear death enough yet17:26
MacerSargun_Screen: hahaha17:26
qwerty12GAN800, yes? :)17:26
RST38hazerty12: moo17:26
GAN800What the hell were you thinking with that Droid fonts version string? :P17:27
qwerty12hi RST38h :)17:27
GAN800Jaffa, are the Fremantle sources on mxr yet?17:27
qwerty12GAN800, damn, too long hey? :(. I'll reupload, I've got the time :)17:27
GAN800qwerty12, yes. :P17:27
wazdupload! uupload you goddamn stupid piece of fucking shit! © Onion17:28
qwerty12GAN800, :P17:28
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JaffaGAN800: NAFAIK17:28
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GAN800Jaffa, Maemo is actually going away. They just gonna use the name for open source Symbiab. ;)17:31
JaffaGAN800: :017:31
JaffaGAN800: :) even17:31
infobotGAN800 meant: Jaffa, Maemo is actually going away. They just gonna use the name for open source Symbian. ;)17:32
Corsacok, I have a tricky question17:32
RST38hAnd high end Nokia phones will contain both OMAP and Atom and run Win7/WinMobile17:32
Corsachow am I supposed to remove an sd card from a n810?17:33
slonopotamusGAN800, ??? no more maemo? have i missed something?17:33
RST38hCorsac: pliers17:33
wazdRST38h, like htc shi(f)t)17:33
RST38hwazd: *some* *big* HTC shit17:33
* slonopotamus can't compile pygtk and is sad because of that17:34
Macerwaiting for this artigo thing to get here sucks17:34
RST38hwazd: Btw, did I tell I saw WiBrain sold?17:34
Maceri really want to see how well it can run17:34
qwerty12GAN800, uploading "1.01-dfsg0maemo1" :)17:35
JaffaCorsac: use your nail to push it in, it'll click and spring out a little.17:35
wazdRST38h, it sells under differeent brand here17:35
GAN800qwerty12, it's just a good thing h-a-m was patched not to fall to pieces with long versions. ;)17:35
wazdRST38h, x-play or something17:36
RST38hwazd: Nope, same brand17:36
RST38hwazd: and they even have a site: www.wibrain.ru17:36
wazdRST38h, oh17:36
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RST38hwazd: it is seriously bricky though, and seemingly made of metal17:37
wazdRST38h, it looks too brutal)17:38
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johnxaaah...supposedly it's not bad to thumbtype on17:38
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wazdRST38h, like some industrial console17:38
johnxwibrain did a newer prototype that looked neat17:38
RST38hwazd: the real thing is even more brutal than the pictures =)17:38
johnxbut I'm sure it's impossible to actually produce17:38
udovdhBTW: what is the spot to file a bug for the usb-otg plugin?17:39
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wazdRST38h, wow, I'll place it right after walking excavator in my "real man things" list)17:40
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RST38hwazd: It took serious mental persuasion to avoid buying it.17:40
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RST38hCosts about the same as an average netbook.17:40
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sjgadsbyI have Mer working in Parallels now. The VMDK conversion command was, "/Applications/ convert mer-x86-generic-image-v0.7.vmdk mer-x86-generic-image-v0.7-raw.hdd". It seems "-O raw" must not be specified on Mac OS X. D'oh.17:41
johnxRST38h, why don't you spend a lot more money for something vaguely better? :D17:42
RST38hjohnx: this thing is brutally cute17:42
wazdI've almost reached my station and haven't uploadedpicture yet17:42
wazdlife sucks17:42
johnxRST38h, thought you weren't a fan of that kind of Soviet era CE? :P17:43
RST38hjohnx: netbooks are not cute, in general. There are cute MIDs, but the build quality fails them. This one was utterly, totally cute17:43
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RST38hjohnx: I am, in a sense17:43
johnxit's a giant brick though. migh as well just get a decent convertible tablet at that point17:44
Corsacwhat stuff?17:44
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RST38hjohnx: It is a toy brick, not a giant brick - the face is really small, but the package is thick17:44
VDVsxanyone knows if exist some app to export/import contacts from symbian phones/gmail/thunderbird... to the tablets ???17:44
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CorsacI'd love a sync stuff17:46
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: where are the council@ logs published?17:46
johnxRST38h, ah, nice portrait. which one is you? :D17:46
RST38hjohnx: The dominating one!17:47
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, what logs?17:47
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RST38hjohnx: makes me wonder what they meant though17:47
johnxRST38h, seriously though. that is an awesome picture17:47
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: a copy of the emails that go through council@ ?17:47
RST38hjohnx: it is, but what the hell did they mean? it is not a japanese monkey, right?17:48
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, considering that the things that go through there are frequently sensitive or confidential, there are none. :)17:48
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makakHello !17:48
lardmanthough they will be available to the next council, is that right?17:48
johnxRST38h, where/when did that pic come from. I'm not sure the man in it's Japanese either...17:48
Jaffalardman: I don't believe so. It's just an email alias17:49
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: so all the correspondance a US president has is logged and archived, but the council has access to such sensitive information it has to be recursively destroyed?17:49
* GeneralAntilles doesn't have the energy.17:50
johnxGeneralAntilles, rereading the thread with the LCD part number and TexRat's comment is quite relevant WRT "if it had a 3.5" they'd probably change the naming convention from Internet Tablet"17:50
RST38hjohnx: no idea but let me search around...17:50
Jaffacrashanddie: there was talk of making it a mailing list and publishing it (ala a thirty year rule), or having a mailing list which was passed on.... but it wasn't set up that way.17:50
johnxRST38h, though I should warn you that if you're counting on me for any brilliant insights you may be sorely disappointed17:50
Jaffajohnx: which they are. Hmm.17:51
* Jaffa hopes for an announcement at MWC. I hope it's not that one17:51
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RST38hjohnx: naah, I am currently putting my hopes into google17:51
crashanddieJaffa: and it doesn't strike you as wrong?17:52
Jaffacrashanddie: There's not much can be done about it now. I'd like to see if fixed for the next council's tenure.17:52
* crashanddie bitterly realises there's a shitload of things that slipped through17:53
crashanddiemaybe not so ideal after all...17:53
crashanddieAnyway, time for my cancer shot17:53
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johnxhaha! getting some results on the LCD from google :>17:56
luke-jrso who here runs Gentoo on their N8xx?17:56
johnxluke-jr, slonopotamus does :)17:57
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luke-jrhow about KDE?17:57
* slonopotamus does17:57
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luke-jrslonopotamus: is it usable? :p17:57
Jaffajohnx: anything interesting?17:58
slonopotamusluke-jr, theoretically it is possible :) practically - haven't tried yet. i'm fighting with wifi/bluetooth now. basic X works.17:58
johnxgot a hit back for an ACX502BMV that lives in the O2 XDA IIs and III17:58
johnxtracking down more specs17:59
johnxmostly I'm curious if the 500-700 range are in fact transflective17:59
slonopotamusluke-jr, gentoo kde isn't any better/worse than debian kde i think17:59
johnxi doubt I'll find a resolution or size though :/17:59
luke-jrslonopotamus: Debian works on N8x0?17:59
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I found pages on almost everything around that number, but not on it.17:59
luke-jrDebian even has KDE 4.2?17:59
Meizirkkiluce-jr: Ubuntu has kde 4.2 at least18:00
luke-jrdoes Ubuntu run on N8x0?18:00
Meizirkkiboth ubuntu and debian can be used on tablets18:00
johnxGeneralAntilles, I assume it's pretty cutting edge. What would you say about the size of most of the acx series? so far I'm only seeing 3.5" LCDs...18:00
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, they were all small.18:00
Meizirkkiluce-jr: KDE 4.2 doesn't run really fast :P18:00
luke-jrMeizirkki: reliably?18:00
GeneralAntillesBut the size variances were high.18:00
johnxat least 500-700 does seem to mean transflective (thank goodness)18:01
luke-jrMeizirkki: but Ubuntu makes my goal harder :p18:01
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luke-jrat least Gentoo supports ACCEPT_LICENSE18:01
slonopotamusluke-jr, deblet - tweaked debian to run on tablet. mer is based on ubuntu18:01
luke-jrso I can isolate those rare required blobs18:01
johnxluke-jr, aaah. do only use things that are 'free' ?18:01
luke-jrjohnx: ideally18:01
GeneralAntillesDoes somebody want to update this?
Corsacmpf, the mer installer seems to just fail :/18:02
luke-jrafaik, N8x0 is at the point where there's a firmware and charge control18:02
johnxsoooo...skipping wifi, bt and battery charging?18:02
slonopotamus??? charging???18:02
luke-jrjohnx: wifi is supposedly working Free18:02
luke-jrnever knew BlueTooth was an issue18:02
johnxyou probably want wlan-cal though18:02
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, mer is missing :)18:03
luke-jrif so, I can ignore it, I don't have anything BlueTooth18:03
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, clearly. Which is why I'm looking for volunteers to update it.18:03
luke-jrand I did list charging18:03
johnxah, though actually the new wifi driver might not need wlan-cal anymore18:03
GeneralAntillesjohnx, it doesn't require it.18:03
GeneralAntillesIt has a default set that'll work, but they're non-optimal.18:03
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, I can add a short discription about mer18:04
johnxwell the default channels for cx3110x are quite optimal :)18:04
johnxexcept from an FCC perspective ...18:04
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slonopotamuswtf is wlan-cal?18:04
luke-jrwouldn't wlan-cal be a onetime thing?18:04
johnxper boot18:04
luke-jrwhy can't it store them?18:04
johnxbecause RAM loses it's contents when not constantly refreshed18:05
luke-jrdd that RAM to a file and back?18:05
johnxslonopotamus, sets some wlan parameters, channels, and power saving it seems18:05
johnxluke-jr, because *setting them* is what wlan-cal does18:05
johnxif you know how to set them, you don't need wlan-cal18:05
slonopotamusluke-jr, wlan-cal is in initfs?18:05
luke-jrthey're in the wifi chipset?18:06
johnxthey're in mtdblock0 IIRC18:06
johnxslonopotamus, yup, along with dsme and bme18:06
luke-jrthen just write it like any other block device..18:06
johnxluke-jr, ok, but how do you set them?18:06
qwerty12They're in the wlan-cal binary iirc, it just reads region info from CAL and sets accordingly18:06
luke-jrjohnx: set *what*?18:07
slonopotamusjohnx, hmm18:07
slonopotamusjohnx, it's in initfs18:07
slonopotamusjohnx, don't see any problem then18:07
johnxyou need to take the values from one place (stored in flash) and put them in another place (in RAM)18:07
johnxslonopotamus, it's not a problem for us :)18:07
luke-jrjohnx: system RAM?18:07
johnxluke-jr, yes18:07
luke-jrso just save that RAM area18:07
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luke-jrand then copy it back verbatim18:07
johnxgood. then work on that :)18:08
luke-jrno time18:08
luke-jrI'll just ignore it for now18:08
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johnxyou already supported non-free software with your money, you might as well use it18:08
slonopotamusjohnx, so i don't need to distribute it. it is already present in each tablet18:08
luke-jrjohnx: I bought it for the hardware.18:08
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luke-jrjohnx: and I didn't buy it new18:08
johnxluke-jr, it's like a vegetarian killing an animal and not eating it out of principal :)18:09
slonopotamusluke-jr, why do you want kde 4 on tablet?18:09
luke-jrjohnx: I don't pretend to know the vegetarian mindset18:09
luke-jrslonopotamus: I know how to use it.18:09
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slonopotamusluke-jr, hmm. its gui isn't very tablet-oriented18:10
johnxslonopotamus, nope. no need to worry about it from a practical point of view. You can count on it being in the initfs of any tablet you find.18:10
slonopotamusjohnx, the funny thing with gentoo/freebsd is that i practically do not distribute anything but minimal system (which is opensource). i can write ebuild for any program that is downloadable via http and will not count as distributor :)18:13
cgdelHello all, anyone like a good brain teaser? I'm trying to put a new OS but I broke my usb port...18:14
johnxslonopotamus, and debian continually gets around distributing by writing packages that cp /downloads/file /usr/share/file or similar :)18:14
cgdelI tried to use penguinbait's tools but somehow it didn't work...18:14
slonopotamushardcore tester18:15
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slonopotamusjohnx, that's not so elegant :)18:15
johnxslonopotamus, you get the idea though :) there's a million ways to do the same thing18:15
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, added Mer and NITdroid, I don't know/remeber more alternatives18:16
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slonopotamusjohnx, do you have ghc on mer?18:16
* johnx googles18:16
johnxcgdel, what problem are you having?18:16
slonopotamusjohnx, haskell compiler18:17
luke-jrslonopotamus: RMS would consider it non-Free distro18:17
johnxluke-jr, definitely :)18:17
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johnxslonopotamus, it's installable. want me to test if it can compile correctly?18:17
slonopotamusluke-jr, uh? does debian have nvidia drivers?18:17
luke-jrslonopotamus: that's not Free vs non-Free, that's outright illegal18:18
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johnxslonopotamus, not in main18:18
slonopotamusjohnx, nope, thx18:18
crashanddienot int main?18:18
cgdeljohnx, when I try to boot on SD card it gives me an error and boots on flash18:18
slonopotamusjohnx, and so what? one url or another - doesn't matter18:18
johnxcgdel, what does the error say?18:18
slonopotamusluke-jr, what is illegal?18:19
luke-jrslonopotamus: distribution of nVidia's blob drivers18:19
johnxslonopotamus, the idea being that if you only use 'main' you know you're using free software. some people care a lot about that sort of thing18:19
slonopotamusluke-jr, writing scripts that download files?18:19
slonopotamusluke-jr, or using them?18:19
luke-jrslonopotamus: distribution of nVidia's blob drivers18:20
cgdeljohnx, "Boot from immc2 failed, booting from flash..."18:20
slonopotamusluke-jr, they do not distribute it. nvidia site distributes.18:20
luke-jrslonopotamus: it's illegal for nVidia too18:20
luke-jranyhow, this is entirely beside the point18:20
johnxthey distribute only as source, IIRC18:20
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luke-jrjohnx: no, they refuse to let anyone get source18:20
cgdelnot very helpful hey, johnx18:21
Corsacfor the current state of nvidia copyright stuff18:22
luke-jrCorsac: that only deals with nVidia's copyrights18:24
Corsacwasn't that the point?18:24
luke-jrit ignores the fact that nVidia's driver violates copyrights held on Linux from which it is derived18:24
slonopotamusi can't copy nvidia drivets18:24
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slonopotamuss/can't/am not permitted to/18:25
infobotslonopotamus meant: i am not permitted to copy nvidia drivets18:25
crashanddieluke-jr: Nvidia or NVIDIA, not nVidia18:25
* slonopotamus wonders if his actions are covered by laws of the state of California18:26
luke-jrcrashanddie: fine, nvideous18:26
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luke-jrslonopotamus: wtf does nvidia have to do with N8x0 anyhow?18:27
slonopotamusluke-jr, we were talking about binary blobs18:27
Macerholy shit southpark cracks me up18:27
slonopotamusluke-jr, and workarounds to make them usable within package management system18:28
luke-jrslonopotamus: most binary blobs are legal18:28
johnxwas nice and quiet in here for a sec :)18:28
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, had the room all to yourself, eh?18:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, yup :) then you guys all came back :P18:29
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johnxGeneralAntilles, did you ever try to look for a pattern in the NNN part of Sony LCD names?18:29
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I think so.18:30
GeneralAntillesDon't recall what the result was, though.18:30
wazdI'm home!)18:30
GeneralAntillesX-Fade's supposition was 16-bit.18:30
wazd <- Ti 84+18:30
GeneralAntilleswazd, purty.18:31
johnxGeneralAntilles, ah, I think that's a coincidence in this case18:31
GeneralAntillesToo bad the aspect ratio has to be off.18:31
Corsacoooh, Mer booting18:31
GeneralAntillesjohnx, yeah, so did I.18:31
cgdelanyone knows how I can see what goes wrong with the dual booting?18:31
johnxwell, I certainly came across 4" parts (ACX526AKM)18:31
Macerfreakin hybrids man.. they just don't get the job done anymore18:32
johnxMacer, yeah, I'm holding out for the chevy volt18:32
johnxwazd, looks great :)18:32
Meizirkkiwhat the hell is wrong with my n810? when i turn it off, it automatically turns itself back on18:32
Macerjohnx: am watching the southpark where they make fun of high school musical18:32
johnxMeizirkki, plugged into power?18:33
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Meizirkkicharger is not plugged in18:33
Macerwhere they all keep busting into song and dance18:33
johnxMeizirkki, tried popping the battery?18:33
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johnxif it turns back on with the battery removed just run :)18:33
Meizirkkijohnx: yes, when i put it back, n810 turns on18:33
johnxdoes it act like the power button is stuck when it's running?18:34
slonopotamusMeiz, modified initfs recently?18:34
Meizirkkibut for some strange reason it locks screen and keyboard in maemo18:34
wazd <- Ti 8318:34
Meizirkki(the powerbutton18:34
GeneralAntillesMacer, hum, I think I'm behind. . . .18:34
MacerGeneralAntilles: lol!18:35
Macer"my dad thinks basketball is for sissies..."18:35
Meizirkkijohnx: power button isn't stuck18:35
wazdI'm gonna slp you!18:35
Macerthey're making their kid reherse how do sing and dance instead of playing basketball! hahahaha!18:35
johnxMeizirkki, I don't mean the physical switch, I mean the connection it's attached too (maybe a short circuit?)18:36
Corsachmh, is the Mer first boot, after choosing an username, supposed to be quite long?18:36
wazdTi 83+ <-
Meizirkkijohnx: power button acts weird in maemo18:37
Meizirkkiit locks screen18:37
Meizirkkiand kb18:37
StsN80216-bit screen? heck no, look for 32 or 24 bit18:37
johnxMeizirkki, dropped it recently?18:38
StsN802source trees indicate rgba18:38
johnxStsN802, not looking for a specific screen. just trying to track down what an acx565akm is :)18:38
Maceri love the fact that my popcorn hour can resume files18:38
Macergood firmware update18:38
Meizirkkii think this started when i messed with beyboard and ledlight things in mer18:38
sjgadsbyGrr. All this TI stuff just makes me want a good HP48GX emulator even more. I'm going to have to look at the Power48 source code.18:38
* Meizirkki flashes initfs18:38
aquatixMacer: popcorn hour?18:38
aquatixthat's some media device?18:39
johnxMeizirkki, hmm...maybe, but when the battery is out I don't see how initfs messes with things18:39
Maceraquatix: best goddamn media tank ever18:39
GeneralAntillesStsN802, some Clutter changes I saw said 16-bit to me.18:39
aquatixMacer: ah :)18:39
johnxGeneralAntilles, clutter might render in 16bit for speed18:39
thopiekare2fsprogs repacking from ubuntu fails on sb1 maemo4.1 -
* slonopotamus thinks it's somewhat crazy to boot for charging18:40
GeneralAntilleswazd, soften the gradient on the buttons on the 83.18:40
GeneralAntillesjohnx, yeah, good point.18:40
qwerty12thopiekar, e2fsprogs is already in extras18:40
StsN802thekondor, we have e2fsprogs already18:40
Macerwell.. maybe not best18:40
Macerbut it is the smallest and can play anything i've thrown at it18:41
johnxslonopotamus, I agree18:41
thopiekarqwerty12: I need a package from this multisource...18:41
slonopotamusjohnx, possibly thay did that to draw boot picture ;)18:41
wazdGeneralAntilles: well, Ti 83 buttons have no gradient at all)18:42
infobotslonopotamus meant: johnx, possibly thay did that to draw charge picture ;)18:42
StsN802how big is the current tablet screen anyhow? 4 inch?18:42
slonopotamusjohnx, but that's still crazy :)18:42
qwerty12slonopotamus, according to timeless, the reason is locales >.<18:42
johnxha! found a acx566akm and it's 320x320 :) so that settles it18:42
GeneralAntilleswazd, see
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johnxthe next tablet is running PalmOS518:42
GeneralAntillesThe black function keys should be slightly convex18:42
GeneralAntillesand the numpad should be slightly concave.18:43
GeneralAntillesjohnx, ha18:43
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sjgadsbyjohnx: Well, at least I'll be able to run Power48.18:43
StsN802johnx, 320x320, wtf18:43
slonopotamusqwerty12, oh my. i heard laptops somehow manage to charge without locales18:43
johnxStsN802, the LCDs in that series have no pattern in the NNN part of acxNNNakm18:43
johnxprobably not even a linear production date or anything18:44
johnxjust a UID18:44
Corsacmpf, Mer is idling with only the desktop background since like 10 minutes, for the first boot18:44
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CorsacI'm not really sure it's doing well18:44
GeneralAntillesjohnx, that was my conclusion.18:44
qwerty12slonopotamus, hey, who says nokia thinks with a straight head? :). It's bullshit because the last time I checked, my last nokia phone didn't say the word charging on it when it was charging18:44
johnxCorsac, no progress bar and no desktop?18:45
Corsacthere was a progress bar18:45
Corsacthan idle18:45
Corsacthen ssh keys18:45
Corsacthen idle18:45
Corsacthen asked me my name and username18:45
Corsacthen idle18:45
Corsacand there we are18:45
Corsac(well, maybe not idle, but I have no way to know that)18:45
Corsaconly the wallpaper appears18:45
johnxprobably idle18:45
Corsacand no way to reach it through ssh18:46
StsN802didnt ask device name?18:46
johnxit would help me if you told me what you put in for username and realname. you could /msg that to me if you want18:46
CorsacYves-Alexis Perez / corsac18:46
johnxI wonder if the - could somehow be a problem O_o18:46
Corsacthe power management loop works fine, the screen dim after like 1 minute, and then switch off18:47
slonopotamusi wonder what you're doing with names in mer if that can be a problem18:47
Jaffaslonopotamus: passing the output of zenity to adduser, at a guess18:47
johnxslonopotamus, it's a silly little bash script and I'm not great at bash scripts :)18:48
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johnxCorsac, try rebooting18:48
* johnx downloads a fresh image of mer to test with18:48
thopiekar... I need e2fsprogs (comerr-dev) to repack curl (libcurl4-openssl-dev) and curl to repack streamtuner as a gui for my new streamripper packages..18:49
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Jaffajohnx: what's the launchpad URL for the script? I'll reivew it for such holes18:49
johnxJaffa, lp:~mer-committers/m-r/first-boot-wizard18:50
Macerhahaha.. the southpark where the damn kids are all playing a video game18:50
Macerduring computer class where the teacher is absolutely clueless hahahahaha18:50
thopiekarthe existing packages in the repos are broken..
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Jaffajohnx: ta18:51
johnxthopiekar, you didn't try forcing a version with =1.40.3-1?18:51
johnxJaffa, thanks for having a look. try not to be too terrified O_o;18:51
Jaffajohnx: change line 66, put $user in double quotes: "$user"18:51
slonopotamusquotes are good18:52
johnxgotcha. will make the change in a sec18:52
Jaffajohnx: similarly for $username_guess on line 7018:52
thopiekarjohnx: like this?
* slonopotamus will name his son '; kill -9 1'18:53
Jaffajohnx: and $username on line 74 & 7718:53
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johnxslonopotamus, and your son will never be able to use mer :P18:53
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Corsacslonopotamus: “little bobby table”? :)18:54
Jaffajohnx: and $username on line 96, 105,; and $hostname on 11718:54
Jaffajohnx: that should make it a lot safer18:54
slonopotamusCorsac, yep :)18:54
Corsacok :)18:54
Corsacok, no Yves-Alexis this time :)18:54
Corsacpassword \o/18:55
slonopotamusCorsac, changelog for mer 0.8: added support for Corsac18:55
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lcukStskeeps, whats the chances of getting clutter running in your emulator?18:55
Corsacslonopotamus: :)18:56
Corsacwow, Fn key doesn't work, no digits ><18:56
johnxJaffa, ok. will do. see anyplace where the real name might be a problem if it has a - in it?18:56
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Jaffajohnx: probably the first Â$user on line 6618:56
Jaffasorry, $name on line 6618:57
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Jaffajohnx: also, the username_guess will include any non-alphanumeric characters.18:58
JaffaProbably want to change line 66 so it whitelists A-Za-z0-918:58
* slonopotamus plans to build maemo kernel in gentoo this night. anyone interested in benchmarks?18:58
slonopotamusbtw. will everything brake if i use gcc 4.2 for kernel modules while using maemo kernel built with gcc 3?18:59
StsN802slonopotamus, btw gtk or glib taking a day to compile is why scratchbox is nice.. occasionally19:00
slonopotamusStsN802, disagree. gtk builds fast19:00
Corsacthanks guys, it booted fine19:00
slonopotamusStsN802, and glib too19:00
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Corsactime for a dist-upgrade19:01
udovdhslonopotamus, so there is full source for all n810 special drievrs?19:01
slonopotamusStsN802, gcc + glibc took ~15 hours. everything else is much smaller19:01
Corsacoops, I think I made it crash ><19:03
slonopotamusudovdh, better ask johnx/Stskeeps. as i understood, almost yes.19:04
Corsacit doesn't even answer to pings ¬¬19:05
CorsacI hate removing the battery19:05
Corsacthe case and that stuff19:05
Corsacdowant a reset button ¬ ¬19:05
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slonopotamusudovdh, there are some problems with parts of wifi19:10
udovdhah. is there a wiki with more info about this?19:10
udovdhe.g. how the stuff (hardware) is connected, what it consists of etc?19:10
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slonopotamusthere is kernel config which is used to build maemo kernel.19:11
Corsachmhmh, and how can I “right click” in mer?19:12
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Corsacthe “long press” doesn't really work19:12
johnxCorsac, in which app?19:12
Corsacon the network-manager applet19:13
Corsacwhich doesn't find my wifi anymore :/19:13
slonopotamusudovdh, diablo-sources (or diablo-kernel-sources) package in maemo sdk repo. it contains patched kernel with config19:13
johnxhuh...a $name with a - worked for me ...19:14
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johnxwow...never realized how insanely fast mer is even on an emulated x86 machine...19:16
Corsacurf, and I have two application menus now19:17
johnxyeah, I saw that earlier today19:17
johnxanyways, two is twice as good as one19:17
Corsacand can't remove the spurious one because the plugin stuff wants two plugins19:17
Meizirkkithis looks like Vista!!
Corsacok, my enter key doesn't work either, mpf :)19:19
zsit is Vista ;p19:19
Corsacdoes the menu uses standard .desktop files?19:19
udovdhwhen I drag icons for apps in 'organise applications' they do not stick in the menus I drop them in19:19
udovdhis that an issue or am I doing something wrong?19:19
Corsacwow, midori works19:20
johnxudovdh, yes...that's a pretty old bug :/19:20
StsN802Corsac, known issue, need to use a gconf command after updating19:20
johnxCorsac, correct: under /usr/share/applications/hildon19:20
Corsacjohnx: ok19:20
udovdhjohnx, where to complain?19:21
udovdhsame place as for the usb otg plugin issue?19:21
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StsN802johnx, /share got fixed?19:23
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Corsachmhm and is there some power management stuff in mer?19:28
Corsacor should I use gnome-power-manager?19:28
woglindeI guess19:28
Corsacyeah but from an UI pov19:28
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StsN802Corsac, wait for it.. sadly19:29
qwerty12gnome-power-manager will never work on a tablet19:30
StsN802we don't have battery access in hal yet19:30
Corsacha, ok19:30
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Corsac(why so? is it because it uses a different hal? no module? something else?)19:31
StsN802closed source hald addon19:32
qwerty12I'm talking out of my arse sorry, it uses hal like you say. I was under the impression that it got information from apm directly19:32
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StsN802also arm is different in terms of pm19:33
Corsacand you don't want to use the closed source hal stuff? or maybe you don't have access?19:33
slonopotamus_ok. started kernel build.19:33
StsN802Corsac, nah.. more like agreement not in place yet on mixing mer and nokia bits19:35
StsN802nokia closed source that is19:36
r2d2rogersStsN802: midori looks nice on the 770, but it didn't show up in the menu19:36
StsN802r2d2rogers, yeah, johnx was fixing19:36
* slonopotamus_ wonders if linux-omap and muru patches are going to be merged upstream19:37
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johnxlots of wind outside O_o19:40
Corsacmhmh, enter key works in midori (and gtk it seems) but not in terminal19:41
Corsacoh and top hw keys don't work either, but maybe that's another closed source bit?19:41
dphil9000installing maemo sdk 4.1.2 on debian stable fails to fetch some .deb's, always fails at the same point - libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-losso_i386.deb19:42
dphil9000Anone else get that?19:42
StsN802Corsac, nah, just unimplemented..19:42
StsN802if you see a lacking thing, add it to the sprint todo19:42
Corsacthe 0.9 one?19:42
Corsacor 0.8?19:42
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StsN802tasks overflow to next sprint so19:44
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CorsacStsN802: can I disconnect wifi and put the device to sleep?19:47
gladiacwhy is libsmbclient so old?19:48
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StsN802Corsac, mm, if you could right click nm you probably could. no such thing as 'put to sleep' btw - it turns off screen and tries to not awaken19:49
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Corsacok but no right clic here :)19:49
StsN802it was n-m or nothing so19:49
Corsacwicd works pretty fine19:49
Corsacbut maybe not on a tablet :)19:50
StsN802or that19:50
r2d2rogersare there any instructions on mounting the internal flash on mer (770)?19:50
johnxwicd is python, right?19:50
udovdhabout the app organiser: ??19:50
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qwerty12r2d2rogers, mkdir /mnt/int ; mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/int19:51
r2d2rogersqw thanks19:51
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r2d2rogersqwerty12: thanks... (missed the tab)19:51
qwerty12/dev/mtdblock4 on N800 at least, run 'cat /proc/mtd' if it's different on 77019:51
Corsacjohnx: yes19:51
r2d2rogersmtd4 is root19:51
qwerty12cool :)19:52
Corsachmhm, no way to disconnect wifi and no way to force sleep, I guess i'll shut it down, just in case :)19:52
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Corsacoh, and is there an applet clock19:55
Corsacnot sure if it's the applet, status bar better?19:55
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thopiekaris it possible to use the port of streamtuner in garage.m with streamripper?20:13
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johnxwow...people running win95 in dosbox on a tablet for a poker game...20:38
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slonopotamus_hey. you don't have right click in mer?20:39
johnxwe have as much right click as hildon does anywhere else :)20:39
johnxdidn't we have this conversation a couple times? :P20:40
slonopotamus_Corsac couldn't right-click ^20:40
johnxthat's correct. nm-applet doesn't understand a long tap20:40
slonopotamus_oh my20:40
johnxnot really surprising. it's not hildonized in any way20:41
slonopotamus_you've cursed yourself to patch everything20:41
johnxyup. because at mer: we like pain.20:42
_userIs there a way to clear the on-screen keyboard's history?20:42
slonopotamus_actually i don't see any benefits using ubuntu as upstream then. you can't use almost everything with gui20:42
johnxwe've already had the ubuntu vs gentoo conversation as well, IIRC :)20:43
infobotslonopotamus_ meant: actually i don't see any benefits using ubuntu as upstream then. you can't use almost anything with gui20:43
_userWhat about Debian?20:44
slonopotamus__user, worse20:44
lcukslonopotamus_, for front end apps i dont think there is a route which leaves ANYTHING untouched and fitting in20:44
johnx_user, debian is a nice distro20:44
_userRuns nicely in a chroot on the n810..20:44
* lcuk puts a big pile of tissues in the chanbin20:45
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lcukjohnx, when are you flying back?20:45
johnxlcuk, as soon as my feathers grow back in. molting sucks :/20:45
_userBut anywho, do y'all know what I'm saying? My on-screen keyboard picked up a password20:46
lcukmy osk picked up a virus20:46
johnxlcuk, planning a last minute vist?20:46
_userI'd really like to clear it20:46
slonopotamus_lcuk, you do not patch everything when switch from gnome to xfce, don't you?20:46
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lcukslonopotamus_, you have to upgrade your hand-eye coordination though20:47
lcukand right click still wont work20:47
johnxslonopotamus_, that depends on whether it has gnome dependencies you'd like to avoid, doesn't it?20:47
johnx_user, sorry, I know what you mean, but I don't know what files it's stored in20:47
slonopotamus_johnx,in binary-based world - no. you do not rebuild packages.20:48
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slonopotamus_johnx, there isn't openoffice-with-gnome/openoffice-without-gnome20:49
johnxyes there is20:49
johnxlet me dig up the packages. one sec :)20:49
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johnxslonopotamus_, from Package GNOME Integration for OpenOffice.org20:50
slonopotamus_it depends on openoffice, right? and contains only gnome-specific stuff, right?20:51
_userWell. On another note, I heard you can get 3d acceleration on the n810 through Android. Y'all know anything about this?20:51
slonopotamus_woops. too many 'right's.20:52
johnx_user, there's no way to get hardware acceleration on the n8x0 (unless you write you reverse engineer the hardware and own drivers). sorry to disappoint :/20:52
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_userI see.20:52
johnxerrr...that came out kind of garbled, but I think you get the idea :)20:53
_userAnd Google Gears doesn't work either?20:53
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_userMicroB's flashblock is also broken, meh20:54
GAN800johnx, somebody should point out PokerTH.20:54
johnxslonopotamus, yes of course. I don't see how it proves your point though. there are plenty of packages that have a gnome version and non-gnome version. and plenty of recreations of the same app for different desktop environments20:54
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johnxslonopotamus, hildon support can be enabled at compile time and is often maintained upstream (see midori)20:54
lcukim so pleased i sussed out why i didnt need pretty little icons for all my modules20:55
johnx_user, google gears was working at one point20:55
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lcuk :)20:56
johnxso each of those is running inside the same process? or are those top level X11 windows?20:57
slonopotamuskernel builds alphabetically? i'm at net/ipv420:57
* Stskeeps is back on the mertop and ponders what needs to be done on mer before 0.820:57
slonopotamusStskeeps, mertop - ?20:58
lcukjohnx, modules loaded with .so files, like hildon desktop.  i couldnt make completely stand alone out of process work20:58
* lcuk is a shit coder20:58
johnxStskeeps, would you mind taking a look at the last build report from the armel-sb and armel builder?20:59
Stskeepsslonopotamus: :>20:59
lcukslonopotamus, the mertop is like the batmobile20:59
johnxlcuk, I wouldn't say that so much as you've bitten off a huge project and now you have to chew it piece by piece :)20:59
Stskeepsjohnx: f*cking ports ubuntu com21:00
GeneralAntillesThere's something wrong with Stskeeps and I think the only solution is more beatings.21:00
GeneralAntillesAlso: we need to get him a camera.21:00
Stskeepsi do have a camera.. :P21:00
lcukjohnx, from my personal perspective the modules were fine before - they in essence havent changed in style from how they were, the api has been revamped and they live in a new class and theres a lot more around, but to manage them all in one project was a nightmare - each needs its own bugtracker etc21:00
slonopotamusStskeeps, oh21:00
lcukso thats why ive stripped it totally back - theres a core library (at about SDL type level) and then the window manager instance which looks for and loads the dynamic .so files21:01
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johnxlcuk, so can you have individual liq apps as top level windows?21:02
lcukthat was the theory :$ i ballsed up the implementation and it doesnt like to share (it closes the x11 window after the 2nd app closes)  its code related and could be cured21:03
lcukright now theres only 1 top level window21:04
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Stskeepsjohnx: try now21:04
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johnxdid you try intel's connman yet?21:05
Stskeepslacks wpa and such, so no21:05
lcukjohnx, i could carry on trying to get it right or i can code up the api and event handling required for the modules21:06
Stskeepsalso i am worried by a project where their repositories and mailing lists suddenly vanish in thin air..21:06
johnxtheir mailing lists are up21:06
johnxand there's deb packaging for it on launchpad so I'll give it a spin21:06
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* Stskeeps goes check last nights snap4 and see if it built ok21:07
johnxI pushed a new first-boot-wizard, but don't build any packages from it until I test locally21:07
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* johnx attempts not to repeat what happened last sprint21:10
slonopotamuswhat happened?21:10
johnxlots of last minute bug causing/fixing21:10
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slonopotamusheh. that happens in every project :)21:11
Stskeepsworst sunday ever21:11
johnxyeah...I still barely got it in shape before your time-bomb release script fired21:11
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Stskeepssorry about that21:12
johnxnot your fault :)21:12
Stskeepsi will do it during sunday this time around i think21:12
johnxif I thought it was your fault I would have let you deal with it...but it was my fault so I dealt with it21:12
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slonopotamuskernel's ready, it started building modules21:17
johnxcongrats :)21:17
slonopotamusanyone has timestamps in irc log?21:17
johnxso does the irc log listed in the topic IIRC21:18
slonopotamusmodules ready21:18
slonopotamusreal    105m3.739s21:18
slonopotamusis it slow? or very slow?21:19
johnxI guess that seems in the right order of magnitude for a native build21:20
johnxis this booted into maemo?21:20
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slonopotamusyep, in chroot21:20
johnxtakes a lot of RAM away to begin with21:21
johnxdid you use swap?21:21
slonopotamusi told gcc to use 32mb of ram21:21
slonopotamusit didn't swap21:21
johnxso you had swap available but it didn't get hit?21:22
johnxI assume swappiness was set to 1?21:22
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slonopotamusi have osso-statusbar-cpu, it showed ~50% in light red during all build21:23
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slonopotamusi have default swappiness for maemo21:23
johnxthen it's set to 1 and you won't hit swap unless it really needs it21:23
inzOoo, does someone really use o-sb-cpu, cool21:23
slonopotamusso it didn't need  t o21:23
inzI though everyone used the other one21:23
slonopotamusi use it21:24
johnxeven if it has to lose all sorts of helpful file caches21:24
qwerty12_N800inz: I use both but prefer the graph image from the bora version :)21:24
slonopotamusjohnx, 50% for processes, 50% for file cache. i had xterm and xchat runing all that time21:24
inzqwerty12, but that's for the bora icon theme21:25
johnxyour build will probably go faster once you can boot natively and once you tweak swappiness a little higher21:25
inzqwerty12, I tried to make it fit better with the new icons21:25
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slonopotamusand how long does kernel take to build in sb?21:26
qwerty12_N800inz: I actually prefer the old one personally, more 'compact' to me21:26
StskeepsMeiz_n810: which xmodmap did you use btw? url21:26
qwerty12_N800I rebuilt the chinook version actually, using the numbers & background image from the bora version21:27
slonopotamusload-applet doesn't have clock, is it?21:27
slonopotamusthat's why i prefer o-s-c21:27
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: the deblet one (
Meiz_n810i made some modifications because of the finnish keyboard language21:28
slonopotamusjohnx, i saw ~5x slower speed on device compared to my desktop single-core  athlon xp @2.2ghz21:29
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Meiz_n810it's fun to try all kinds desktop-environments in Mer :P21:29
johnxslonopotamus, I suppose that seems reasonable. if you're interested in stats check out #merbuilder on jaiku21:30
StskeepsMeiz_n810: it works without modification too?21:30
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it should work21:30
slonopotamusjohnx, but 2200/400 is a litle bit greater than 5 :) so 1 arm mhz is more powerful than 1 athlon 64 mhz21:30
johnxslonopotamus, be careful what conclusions you draw :)21:31
slonopotamusjohnx, what's wrong with them?21:31
johnxdo you have the same machine except the processor?21:31
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: there was 4 different options for each key, i removed the fourt option21:32
slonopotamusnope, everything else is faster/bigger on desktop.21:32
slonopotamusbut that doesn't help it :)21:32
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johnxexcept that the seek time on your hard drive is higher than it is on the n8x0, and also you're running different software :P21:32
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slonopotamusgentoo on both of them, with same software21:33
slonopotamusdifferent kernels21:33
johnxreally? the same binaries?21:33
Meiz_n810phew.. auto-poweron problem's gone now21:33
johnxthat's a neat trick :)21:33
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johnxMeiz_n810, ah nice. did you figure it out?21:33
slonopotamusjohnx, of course not. it is impossible.21:33
Meiz_n810johnx: i reflashed the initfs21:34
slonopotamusjohnx, you have different numbers?21:34
johnxMeiz_n810, well I'm surprised that was causing it, but I'm glad it worked out in the end21:34
slonopotamusjohnx, comparing 1mhz of arm vs x86?21:35
johnxslonopotamus, nope. but I'm just a little surprised that an athlon xp is slower clock for clock than an arm1121:35
slonopotamusjohnx, athlon xp is a little bit outdated. posdibly core2duo would produce better results.21:36
johnx~lart intel for making dumber build scripts than Nokia21:38
* infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on intel for making dumber build scripts than Nokia21:38
johnxI'll wait for someone else to package connman21:38
Stskeepsdid you add lshal keyboard stuff yet btw?21:38
johnxthe name of the project should have been warning enough :/21:38
johnxthanks for the reminder21:39
qwerty12_N800johnx: do you know if it works well? I'm not a NM fan :)21:39
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johnxqwerty12_N800, I dunno because I gave up when the build system needed to have udev running ...21:40
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: next week we should track down your wlan problem :P21:40
qwerty12_N800johnx: eurgh...21:40
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: we should :)21:41
qwerty12_N800I've got the week off anyway :P21:41
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johnxheh...there's already someone working on packages on launchpad so I don't see any reason to risk my sanity21:41
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crashanddiethat one made me laugh:
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johnxbig news! company with image to protect pulls shocking product from shelves!22:20
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lcukeven bigger news: where the flick is bofh22:24
t_s_oi wonder what kind of reaction that game would have in australia...22:24
johnxI stopped reading after the original 'episodes'22:24
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RST38ht_s_o: Would probably cause copycats all over the place?22:25
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t_s_oRST38h: are you not forgetting the recent case where images of the simpsons got slapped as child pornography?22:26
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suihkulokkiinteresting that raping game is a taboo, when games about killing a robbing are bestsellers (GTA IV)22:29
t_s_osuihkulokki: not without controversy tho...22:30
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johnxevery culture gets to have their own weird taboos :)22:31
t_s_ostill, usa got a real issue with sexuality from what i can tell. see "nipplegate" a couple of years ago...22:31
t_s_ojohnx: true that22:31
lcukhard core porn this year22:31
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lcuknipplegate == lame22:31
t_s_owhen it comes to japan its cleanlyness and correctness of behavior from what i can tell22:31
lcukcant wait to see the next superbowl22:32
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t_s_otho i guess they have a issue with real life sexual content as well, tho in some very odd ways...22:32
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practisevoodooanyone got any experince with gpsd on the maemo22:33
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Phantomtimeless: thanks for help with package manager, it works fine from my local mirror of nokia/maemo repos. ;) sill wonder why it didn't work with web repo...22:34
johnxt_s_o, I think the really big taboo in Japan is probably illegal drugs22:35
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RST38ht_s_o: I am not very interested in Simpsons or pornography, but given that Australians jerk off at THAT, the game should have stunning success there22:38
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t_s_ogroan, dont tell me that negadget will be editing in a hockeymask at random in article images the whole day...23:03
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wazdAnd back again)23:04
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Stskeepswb :)23:05
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Stskeepslo b-man23:06
Stskeepsb-man: you succeeded in pushing updates?23:06
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b-mani'm having problems submitting them :P, i'll pastebin the errors23:07
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* b-man is sorry it's taking so long :p23:13
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Stskeepsok, first off, export LC_ALL=C23:17
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Stskeepsto check out a copy of merinstaller, bzr get lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller    -- it will put it in the directory merinstaller23:18
Stskeepsthen you go in that directory, do your changes, and to commit it to your local copy, you bzr commit -m "what you did"23:19
Stskeepsbefore you commit, you can review what changes was made, using "bzr diff"23:19
Stskeepsthen, to push the commits you have made (share them with the rest of us), you do bzr push lp:~mer-committers/m-r/merinstaller23:20
Stskeepsand you can grab the changes others have made using bzr pull (or often, bzr merge)23:23
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b-manWoho!!!, i successfully updated merinstaller on mer-committers :)23:34
lcuki have a project which has changed quite extensively since i last did svn.  what is the best method for bringing it back under svn control?23:36
lcukshould i do a checkout of the current svn version and write over all the stuff i have altered23:37
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lcukis there a "dont tase me files bro" command23:38
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