| Stskeeps | in mer, just after selecting it in boot menu and pressing center/enter | 00:00 |
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| T3rmy | I can't boot in mer... | 00:00 |
| T3rmy | I reboot and hole the Menu key | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | it doesnt even get to the splash screen? | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in the pretty mer logo | 00:00 |
| T3rmy | but it only boots in maemo (as never had been er) | 00:00 |
| T3rmy | exactly... :( | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | so it doesnt show the mer splash? strange | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | reboot, hold down menu key until boot menu shows up? | 00:01 |
| T3rmy | yes... | 00:01 |
| T3rmy | previously it showed also the text about | 00:01 |
| T3rmy | holding menu key | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | run utilities->install bootmenu | 00:02 |
| ShutteR77 | Hi there. | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | again, and it may work | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | lo ShutteR77 | 00:02 |
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| T3rmy | i try it now | 00:03 |
| ShutteR77 | Are you alredy read this news - http://www.andreagrandi.it/2009/02/11/maemo-on-google-summer-of-code-2009/ ? | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ShutteR77: yeah, VDVsx spoke of it earlier | 00:03 |
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| T3rmy | ShutteR77: it is like code jam last year? | 00:04 |
| ShutteR77 | T3rmy, yech | 00:04 |
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| T3rmy | pretty good :) | 00:04 |
| T3rmy | best utility for maemo :) | 00:05 |
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| ShutteR77 | I reading my friend feed and faind this news | 00:06 |
| ShutteR77 | find* | 00:06 |
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| ShutteR77 | Are you use friend feed too? | 00:06 |
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| * Stskeeps boots his tablet into mer | 00:06 | |
| T3rmy | Stskeeps: congrats... | 00:07 |
| T3rmy | it worked | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | T3rmy: good | 00:07 |
| T3rmy | now about the pacage you gave me | 00:07 |
| T3rmy | it was for the Fn keys? | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 00:07 |
| T3rmy | did it worked on you? | 00:07 |
| T3rmy | *work | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | i dont have a n810 | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: thanks to timeless and yours truly, we've now got a fully functional theme selector that can be ran from hildon desktop's drop down menu with 'select theme' (and the control panel) :) | 00:08 |
| timelE61i | sts: so | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: woo | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: package name | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 00:10 |
| timelE61i | I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta | 00:10 |
| b-man|soaked | qwerty12_N800: awsome :) | 00:10 |
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| timelE61i | I should have it in 30 mins | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: alright, fixed the 'other strings' issue? | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: hildon-theme-selector (metapackage) | 00:10 |
| T3rmy | Stskeeps: the Fn buttons still don't work. In case that I would try to fill some text boxes.. how would it be possible? | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man: :) | 00:10 |
| timelE61i | It won't include other locale pos | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:10 |
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| T3rmy | (is there any way to have always on the screenkeyboard?) | 00:11 |
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| b-man | T3rmy: you could install matchbox-keyboard or xkbd | 00:12 |
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| T3rmy | directly in mer? | 00:13 |
| T3rmy | (which do you prefer?) | 00:14 |
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| b-man | in mer or in a chroot is fine :) | 00:14 |
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| T3rmy | b-man: should I restart? | 00:17 |
| timelE61i | sts: so, I'm about 5 strings from a 0.1.2 beta. I should have it in 30 mins. It won't include other locale pos | 00:17 |
| b-man | T2rmy: if you are in mer allrety, you shuld be able to install it from apt and run it from there | 00:18 |
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| b-man | or application manager) | 00:19 |
| T3rmy | I installed matchbox-keyboard | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: sounds good :) | 00:19 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: thumbs up on this package :) | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | (and thanks to timeless too) | 00:19 |
| T3rmy | the x.. | 00:20 |
| T3rmy | there isn't | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: :) | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the sdk icon for themes is rather fugly :p | 00:22 |
| T3rmy | b-man: the other keyboard how is it named exactly? | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes, it is | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: works a charm. just tested with tritanium from extras and plankton | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: butever doubleclicking themes icon may show multiple dialogs up | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | as in, its not a singleton | 00:23 |
| b-man | T3rmy: you will need to install xkbd manually, it isn't available from mer/ubuntu repos, you will need to install it manually; http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 00:24 |
| b-man | ahh, i hate this keyboard :P | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: adding to mer foundation | 00:24 |
| b-man | (hildon-input-method) | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: that can be fixed in the bash script that runs the perl script (cpl doesn't agree with system() & .pl scripts) easily, maybe I'll do so when I'm at a computer - my wrists are a little weird atm :) | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: someone should really donate you a BT keyboard or something :P | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: feel free to mark it 100% as i just tested it too | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, Addison offered once :D | 00:26 |
| T3rmy | b-man: the install file? | 00:27 |
| T3rmy | which one? | 00:27 |
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| b-man | try the os2008 version - that one worked for me ;9 | 00:28 |
| b-man | ;) | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: so what are the major differences from the installer in bzr and the one you have atm? | 00:29 |
| T3rmy | OS2008 xkbd deb ??? | 00:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lo daperl | 00:29 |
| timelE61i | sts: but first i have to fight vpn | 00:30 |
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| b-man | T3rmy: OS2008 | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i read that as 'fight you' and got a little scared :P | 00:30 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: just a fuew tweeks to fix some variable problems | 00:31 |
| Macer | hm | 00:32 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: alright.. well let us get them into the bzr. got time now to take a glance? | 00:33 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, how are things? I'm in parenting mode so my productivity will suffer for the next 5 days. But I have all the basic building blocks ready to go. | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: good good, and fair enough on productivity, mine has been bad this week too - laptop fan has keeled over | 00:35 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: yes, but i'm having issues obtaining one of the bzr keys nessasary for me to upload changes to merinstaller on launchpad | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ok, ssh-keygen -t rsa usually does the trick | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | and then contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub onto lp | 00:36 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: it is a different key, i allrety have a ssh key uploaded | 00:36 |
| b-man | *diffrent | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm, and it fails to work for you? | 00:37 |
| b-man | yes :( | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | does the ssh key match the one you have on the account you are using bzr from? | 00:37 |
| b-man | yes | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | and the ssh key you have upload is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and id_rsa.pub (or id_dsa and id_dsa.pub) | 00:38 |
| b-man | yes | 00:39 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, bummer. About a week ago, I lost a day after my dev machine had an MBR failure. Good luck. | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: ah, thank god i have learnt my lesson about backups after losing pictures and code since 2003 | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hmm. | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: what do you do to try and upload? | 00:40 |
| timelE61i | Sts: bummer, i don't have internet access from home | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you set your bzr launchpad-login correctly? | 00:41 |
| b-man | Stskeeps; i believe so | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | that is, bzr launchpad-login yourlaunchpadlogin | 00:42 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, I didn't lose anything; my partition table was intact. But the surgery took a while. What's a backup? | 00:44 |
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| wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, around?) | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: it is what you wish you had when you lose most of your pictural memories because when you were fixing your file server did the stupid decision to migrate a hd in the backup system from one building to another.. and on the way, the hd falls out of the plastic bag on to the very hard concrete slab underneath | 00:46 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: it is telling me "The user b-man has not registered any SSH keys with Launchpad." ---- but i do have a ssh key registered in launchpad but it doesn't seem to se it :P | 00:47 |
| timelE61i | sts: ever actually done that? | 00:47 |
| b-man | re: see | 00:47 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I'm finishing Ti's and starting freerunner ui btw) | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: hehe, alright | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: yes, which is why i have backups now. | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: sure its b-man? hmm | 00:48 |
| timelE61i | Wow | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | i thought your login was mcbekanize or something | 00:48 |
| b-man | it's b-man | 00:48 |
| timelE61i | Sts: so... I'm probably going to punt on releasing | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: settled on http://pastebin.com/m57fec5f0 for the multiple theme window thing | 00:49 |
| timelE61i | Not having working internet/vpn makes this too hard | 00:49 |
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| * daperl thinks: "note to self -- do backups tomorrow" | 00:49 | |
| wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, I forgot, do you want 84 or 83+ Hello Kitty skin?) | 00:49 |
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| b-man | lol | 00:50 |
| wazd_n800 | 84 was really tough one | 00:51 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: please ping me when you have the HAM sorted out | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: your login is mckenzba | 00:52 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: will do, its a bit awkward error | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: so try with that | 00:53 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps; it's working now | 00:54 |
| * b-man is an idiot XP | 00:54 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe | 00:54 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: aren't they always? ;) thanks | 00:55 |
| * b-man finally can apply updates | 00:55 | |
| Stskeeps | yay | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well this one is stranger than most :P | 00:57 |
| t3rminat0r | b-man: I can't close the matchbox-keyboard .... | 00:58 |
| t3rminat0r | any ideas? | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | t3rminat0r: i thought you wanted on screen keyboard on, all the time :) | 00:58 |
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| Macer | blah :) | 01:01 |
| t3rminat0r | Stskeeps: but now I need to close it....:S | 01:01 |
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| Stskeeps | t3rminat0r: killall -9 matchbox-keyboard | 01:02 |
| t3rminat0r | I press the same button that I pressed.... | 01:02 |
| t3rminat0r | ohhhhhhhhhhhh god.. | 01:02 |
| t3rminat0r | I forget that I use linux | 01:02 |
| t3rminat0r | :) | 01:02 |
| b-man | hehe | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: keep me updated when the bzr is fully updated.. branch off the one already there | 01:02 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: ok :) | 01:03 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps; hmm, i'm getting a "Committing to: /merinstaller/.... bzr: ERROR: no changes to commit. use --unchanged to commit anyhow" error :/ | 01:09 |
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| b-man | but i used bzr commit -m "Fixed an issue with fuser and tweeked a fuew variables" | 01:09 |
| timelE61i | bzr status | 01:10 |
| timelE61i | bzr diff | 01:10 |
| b-man | thanks | 01:11 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 01:14 |
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| luke-jr | hum | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | does N810 use standard power adapters? | 01:18 |
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| t_s_o | iirc, yes, it uses a standard nokia charger | 01:24 |
| Macer | hm | 01:25 |
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| AStorm | luke-jr, nokia plug | 01:30 |
| AStorm | these are AC-4e | 01:30 |
| AStorm | you need ones with at least 800 mA output and the small nokia plug | 01:30 |
| AStorm | most "replacements" deliver only 400-500 mA | 01:30 |
| AStorm | AC-4e delivers 890 mA | 01:30 |
| AStorm | t_s_o, "standard" | 01:30 |
| AStorm | why nokia couldn't even use a normal 5V plug.. | 01:30 |
| AStorm | or especially the USB port. | 01:30 |
| AStorm | just add a second one | 01:30 |
| AStorm | it'd easily fit | 01:31 |
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| Macer | well | 01:32 |
| t_s_o | AStorm: standard for all recent nokia phones at least ;) | 01:35 |
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| t_s_o | sure, usb charging would have been nice, but i suspect that nokia used what they had available in terms of hardware, more often then not... | 01:35 |
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| Mek | if it needs > 500 mA, usb charging wouldn't be really possible anyway... | 01:38 |
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| luke-jr | common in walmarts? :/ | 01:43 |
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| luke-jr | eg, should I buy a N810 w/ no charger for $155? :þ | 01:45 |
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| luke-jr | $167 I mean | 01:47 |
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| benson[away] | luke-jr: You can find compatible chargers in Walmart, but not the same current rating. | 01:47 |
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| luke-jr | :/ | 01:48 |
| benson[away] | They'll charge slower, and may not be enough to maintain a constant charge under heavy usage while plugged in. | 01:48 |
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| luke-jr | likely I can get a good charger for $10? :þ | 01:48 |
| benson | But they will charge eventually (overnight) and you can do typical usage without it going backwards. | 01:49 |
| benson | A good enough one, imho. | 01:49 |
| benson | Other options include USB charging cables, for ~$2 at dealextreme. | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | I thought someoen just said N810 wouldn't take a charge via USB | 01:50 |
| benson | But unless you have a singularly stronmg USB port, they are as bad as the walmart chargers or worse. | 01:50 |
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| benson | They have a USB port on one end, and a 2mm jack on the other end. | 01:50 |
| benson | But 5V isn't really enough... | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | oh, so it's data OR charge? | 01:51 |
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| benson | They're handy though, with USB pattery packs that often output 6V or so. | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | hm | 01:51 |
| benson | No, the N810 has a 2mm power port, and a microUSB data port. | 01:51 |
| AStorm | Mek, it works w/ <500mA, but charges slowly when used | 01:52 |
| benson | The cables I'm talking about plug into the PC's USB port and the N810's power port. | 01:52 |
| AStorm | benh, 5V is enough | 01:52 |
| AStorm | sorry | 01:52 |
| AStorm | benson, it is enough | 01:52 |
| benson | You can still use another cable for data. | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | $167 for a N810 minus AC adapter.. what do yuo think? | 01:52 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, cheap | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | get it? | 01:53 |
| benson | AStorm: I've heard it only gets to 80% or so with many USB ports? | 01:53 |
| benson | luke-jr: I'd consider it a good deal. | 01:53 |
| AStorm | 80%? voltage? | 01:53 |
| benson | 80% charge state. | 01:53 |
| AStorm | nah | 01:53 |
| AStorm | 90% or so | 01:54 |
| AStorm | the problem is ofc current-limited charge phase of li-ion | 01:54 |
| benson | I only got some USB cables yesterday, but it only went to 75% with my USB battery (left it on for ~1 hour at 75%) | 01:54 |
| benson | But I'm willing to consider my battery pack is out of regulation. ;) | 01:55 |
| AStorm | it probably fails to delivr rated 500 mA | 01:55 |
| benson | It did mesh with what I've heard elsewhere, though. | 01:55 |
| benson | heheh, you're right. it's rated 5V 350mA. | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | got it for $177.01 | 01:56 |
| benson | luke-jr: for the difference between that and new (~$220), you could probably buy a well-used 770 with charger (it's the same). | 01:57 |
| benson | Have fun with it! | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | new is ~$220 now? :o | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | hm | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | how is the included car charger? | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | could I just leave it in the car? | 01:58 |
| benson | I don't think a car charger is included? It wasn't with my N800... | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | :o | 01:58 |
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| benson | But I found a $6 car charger I picked up was stronger than a (similarly cheap) wall charger, | 01:59 |
| benson | it was on par with the Nokia AC4U wall charger. | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | http://cgi.ebay.com/AC4U-OEM-HOME-WALL-CHARGER-FOR-NOKIA-8GB-N810_W0QQitemZ270340990475QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item270340990475&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318 | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | is that the good charger? | 02:01 |
| benson | I think because it's easier (less heat dissipation in the voltage regulator) to keep it strong when regulating from 12VDC, but it's cheaper (use cheaper components) to go weaker with a wall charger. | 02:01 |
| benson | Yes, AC-4_ are the 890mA. | 02:01 |
| benson | AC-4U is the US model. | 02:01 |
| benson | Other letters mean different prongs for other nation's plugs. | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | benson: did the N800 include car mount and GPS? | 02:02 |
| benson | (The guts are all the same, it handles 100~24V.) | 02:02 |
| benson | s/24/240/ | 02:02 |
| infobot | benson meant: (The guts are all the same, it handles 100~240V.) | 02:02 |
| benson | No, it didn't have either. | 02:02 |
| benson | For all I know, the N810 may come with a car charger; I just hadn't known it did... | 02:03 |
| t_s_o | thats a funny thing about chargers. most products made in europe or asia will have chargers that can handle most domestic voltages, US products may well only handle 110... | 02:03 |
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| benson | Many US products handle both voltages, too. | 02:04 |
| t_s_o | heh, maybe its improving over the years | 02:04 |
| benson | I think most, from what I've seen, but I don't pay much attention... | 02:04 |
| benson | probably. | 02:05 |
| t_s_o | could be that the ones that do are imports, tho. but no real clue there... | 02:05 |
| benson | Aren't all the European products imported from China, too? :p | 02:06 |
| t_s_o | the cheap and unreliable ones ;) | 02:06 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, i would not have a issue with using webkit.-eal if it would recover itself on a crash, rather then default to a somewhat broken microb... | 02:07 |
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| MaceN800 | hm | 02:10 |
| MaceN800 | back to maemo | 02:13 |
| MaceN800 | :) | 02:13 |
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| MaceN800 | gentoo =) | 02:16 |
| MaceN800 | there is a flashback | 02:16 |
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| luke-jr | yay | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | $20 off coupon | 02:21 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a way to stop the tablet from asking to save the network I'm attaching to? | 02:25 |
| t_s_o | yep, save it ;) | 02:30 |
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| dick-richardson | there's no reason for me to save an unsecured network...and most of the ones I connect to are unsecured | 02:44 |
| dick-richardson | more accurately about 1/2 | 02:45 |
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| t_s_o | well if they are networks you use regularly, the tablet can detect and connect quickly next time | 02:52 |
| dick-richardson | I just don't want it to ask. If I want it saved, I'll set it up | 02:53 |
| dick-richardson | Not a huge deal, but if it's doable... | 02:53 |
| t_s_o | sorry, no idea | 02:53 |
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| dick-richardson | np :) | 02:54 |
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| AStorm | I suspect Nokia just forgot about that option | 03:03 |
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| t_s_o | AStorm: one more reason to get a replacement going ;) | 03:07 |
| t_s_o | what does mer use? gnome network manager? | 03:08 |
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| t_s_o | hey a new version of boafm :D | 03:08 |
| AStorm | yes | 03:09 |
| AStorm | I suspect wicd would work too | 03:09 |
| t_s_o | heh, im not up to speed on wifi configureation tools for linux, i use it on desktops mostly | 03:11 |
| t_s_o | altho i ponder getting a aspire one, as there seems to be a 1GB ram model going around | 03:11 |
| luke-jr | I presume there's a decent free GPS app? :þ | 03:16 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, maemo mapper | 03:16 |
| AStorm | uses google maps, openstreet maps, yahoo maps, some others too | 03:17 |
| AStorm | you can pick | 03:17 |
| AStorm | for routing, uses google maps | 03:17 |
| benson | maemo-mapper, if you like raster maps. | 03:17 |
| AStorm | benson, anything working with vector ones? | 03:17 |
| AStorm | (no, not openstreet, those thoroughly suck, I'm improving them) | 03:18 |
| benson | There's a few others with vector maps, and there is the built-in one. | 03:18 |
| AStorm | the Map app is ok, but ofc not free | 03:18 |
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| benson | Which has maps free, but no routing/directions without paying. | 03:18 |
| AStorm | and the maps they offer for my area are old | 03:18 |
| AStorm | :> | 03:18 |
| t_s_o | heh, always a potential problem | 03:19 |
| AStorm | not too old, but a few years | 03:19 |
| AStorm | like 3 year old | 03:19 |
| AStorm | enough to be bothersome | 03:19 |
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| t_s_o | heh, reminds me of some family members that ended up on a recently opened road, the buildt in gps of the car claimed they where in the middle of a field... | 03:25 |
| t_s_o | ok, im seriously in love with boafm :P | 03:27 |
| soap | anyone here ever have problems with Claws mail crashing upon checking for new mail? I saw no reports of such behavior on the forums, garage, or Claws' site. I'm shocked to think I'm the first. | 03:33 |
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| derf | soap: How big's the mailbox? | 03:39 |
| soap | ~500MB | 03:39 |
| soap | most of which is already on the device. | 03:39 |
| derf | There seemed to be a large difference in memory usage between just having the mail headers on the device, and actually retrieving messages with it. | 03:40 |
| soap | that I have seen | 03:40 |
| derf | (even only retrieving a small number of messages) | 03:41 |
| derf | But if you have swap enabled, it should become unusably slow before it crashes. | 03:41 |
| soap | I'm actually (trying to) retrieve far fewer messages than normal. Have 500MB on there currently, trying to get ~2MB of new. | 03:41 |
| soap | It didn't crash (w/o swap) when I initially synced the mailbox. | 03:42 |
| derf | Yeah. That is what I was describing. | 03:42 |
| derf | I was able to sync the mailbox without issue. | 03:42 |
| derf | But upon checking for new mail, it became unusably slow (w/swap). | 03:43 |
| soap | hmm. | 03:43 |
| soap | I've been using it for months, it has full messages on it locally. | 03:43 |
| derf | At this point I just ditched it and went back to using webmail. | 03:43 |
| soap | I'm addicted to my IMAP | 03:44 |
| derf | Yes, IMAP is fantastic. | 03:44 |
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| soap | slow I can handle, crash is another thing. | 03:44 |
| derf | But all the mail clients on the tablet suck for large mailboxes. | 03:44 |
| soap | That I've noticed. I might move some of my less-frequent archive off-line and see if that works. | 03:45 |
| derf | I just set up horde/imp on my IMAP server. | 03:45 |
| derf | Also kind of slow, but it works from anywhere. | 03:45 |
| soap | screenshots look decent - as in sufficiently lacking in eye-candy to possibly be functional. | 03:46 |
| derf | Then all you have to worry about is the browser being flaky, but people seem dedicated to fixing those kind of problems. | 03:46 |
| soap | thanks for your input - wife is calling 'dinner'. | 03:47 |
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| derf | Good luck. | 03:47 |
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| Macer | blah. work tomorrow | 04:03 |
| Macer | i need to shove a ton of damn videos on my n800 to bring with | 04:04 |
| Macer | heh... too bad there aren't any interesting shows anymore | 04:04 |
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| soap | Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, True Blood got a lot better as the season went on, the list is long. | 04:15 |
| Macer | triple core amd phenom | 04:15 |
| Macer | what an abortion | 04:15 |
| Macer | they should be ashamed selling those :) | 04:16 |
| Macer | do they call a "working" phenom a phennom II? | 04:16 |
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| Proteous | nothing wrong with a triple core phenom | 04:41 |
| Proteous | the price/performance is pretty damn good | 04:41 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: afaik, Intel sells Core 2 Trios | 04:45 |
| Macer | i've never seen a trio | 04:46 |
| Macer | heh | 04:46 |
| Macer | only duos | 04:46 |
| Macer | Proteous: i just can't do the lemon cpu | 04:46 |
| Proteous | all CPUs are like that | 04:47 |
| Proteous | they come off of one big die | 04:47 |
| Macer | but not all are from design flaw | 04:47 |
| Proteous | they test em to see how fast they will go and put them into different bins | 04:47 |
| luke-jr | Proteous: except the very highest end | 04:47 |
| Macer | i could understand speed testing | 04:47 |
| Proteous | it's not a super exact science | 04:47 |
| Macer | and rating | 04:47 |
| Macer | but a 3 core amd is just a design flaw | 04:47 |
| Macer | :) | 04:47 |
| Proteous | better not look into GPUs | 04:47 |
| Proteous | all of them have a ton of dead cores on them | 04:47 |
| Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153114R | 04:47 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I bet those dual cores are quads with 2 broken cores | 04:48 |
| Macer | wow that is a beast of a mini itx | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | hm, I wonder if you can get a three-core, and hack it to enable the fourth at a slower speed | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | for special-purpose stuff | 04:48 |
| Proteous | no | 04:48 |
| Macer | heh i doubt it | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, I'm mostly happy with my good old Athlon64 3200+ (predates dual core) | 04:48 |
| Proteous | they are hard cut | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | which is my newest CPU | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | Proteous: solder? :þ | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | the only real CPU issue I've had is playing 1080p | 04:49 |
| Macer | rating speeds are different from design flaws | 04:49 |
| Proteous | no, laser cut the traces | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | and tbh, I don't think that's really a CPU issue | 04:49 |
| Proteous | macer, not really | 04:49 |
| Proteous | the speed that it will run is directly dependant on the flaws in the die | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | Macer: what do you do if 3 cores can go at 3 GHz, but one is only up to 1 GHz par? | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | Macer: underclock the 3 cores to match the 1? | 04:49 |
| Macer | flaws of a die are like flaws in a diamond | 04:50 |
| Macer | that is something a little more natural than "oops. we fucked up the design and now can't use a core" | 04:50 |
| Proteous | diamonds don't give you back 5 when you add 2 and 2 on them | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | Macer: what do you do if 3 cores can go at 3 GHz, but one is only up to 1 GHz par? | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | Macer: that is probably the "can't use a core" scenario | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | it's just not up to the same speed rating as the other 3 | 04:50 |
| Macer | but it was still a design flaw | 04:51 |
| Proteous | either way, you don't have to buy any, that just leaves more $119 3 core CPUs for me | 04:51 |
| luke-jr | and what idiot will understand "quad core; 3x 3 GHz and 1x 1 GHz"? | 04:51 |
| luke-jr | that will just confuse the heck out of the average consumer | 04:51 |
| Macer | hahaha... yeah i suppose so | 04:51 |
| Macer | Proteous: 119? :) | 04:51 |
| Proteous | it's not a design flaw, it's a manifacturing flaw | 04:51 |
| Proteous | and it's inherent in the process | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | anyone have a N770 they want to get rid of? :þ | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | ebay seems to be out | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 04:52 |
| Macer | Proteous: a 4 core (working) phenom is 189 | 04:52 |
| Proteous | hard to find nowdays | 04:52 |
| Macer | 2.8GHz | 04:53 |
| darkblue_B | luke-jr: I get a lot of mileage out of my 4400+ Brisbane | 04:53 |
| Proteous | my $119 3 core can OC to 3ghz | 04:53 |
| Macer | triple core 2.3 is 87 | 04:53 |
| Proteous | you could pay $100 more for 2 cores you aren't even going to be using anyway | 04:53 |
| Proteous | heh | 04:53 |
| Proteous | not with current OSs | 04:53 |
| Macer | 2.4 is 126 (triple core) | 04:54 |
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| Macer | $60 for a faster working core? | 04:54 |
| Macer | 2.5 quad core is 175 | 04:55 |
| Proteous | price performance sweet spot for me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103295 | 04:56 |
| Macer | $49 for a "non-lemon" working quad core over a triple core :) | 04:56 |
| Proteous | black edition, so the mulitplier isn't locked | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | darkblue_B: what's that? | 04:58 |
| Macer | either way. i'm looking i'm still pretty stuck on that mboard tho | 04:58 |
| Macer | onboard geforce 8200 am2+ mini itx | 04:59 |
| Macer | that would be a hell of a small system :) | 04:59 |
| Macer | 4 sata ports on a mini itx mboard? :) | 05:00 |
| soap | I use all my cores, thank you very much, Proteous | 05:00 |
| Proteous | :P | 05:01 |
| Proteous | My miniITX computer: http://mike.ogaz.org/hacksprojects | 05:01 |
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| Proteous | added in an additional ethernet card and it's running as a firewall/router now | 05:01 |
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| darkblue_B | luke-jr: an AMD 64 cpu | 05:02 |
| darkblue_B | 65w with a low power mode... dual core.. pretty good performance too | 05:02 |
| Macer | Proteous: wtf? :) | 05:03 |
| Macer | is that an old tape deck? | 05:03 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:03 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:03 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:03 |
| Macer | that's .. interesting | 05:03 |
| soap | I hope 65w is the maximum power draw. | 05:04 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:04 |
| soap | (don't know AMD chips well anymore) | 05:04 |
| Proteous | yeah, it is | 05:04 |
| Macer | what do you use for power? | 05:04 |
| soap | I was going to say - my entire C2Q system pulls barely 120, 1 monitor included. | 05:05 |
| darkblue_B | its an 80+ power supply.. 400w I think | 05:05 |
| darkblue_B | no video card | 05:05 |
| darkblue_B | 80plus is really interesting.. | 05:05 |
| Proteous | macer, a laptop like power brick and a DC/DC tiny power supply that plugs into the 20pin slot | 05:05 |
| Macer | that's what i got for my K45 | 05:06 |
| Macer | picoUPS? | 05:06 |
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| Macer | i was just looking for the power port on the back of the box | 05:06 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:06 |
| Proteous | those pictures don't show it, when I took them I didn't have it | 05:06 |
| Macer | ah | 05:07 |
| Proteous | was running it off of a full sized ATX powersupply for a while when I first built it | 05:07 |
| Proteous | was as big as the tape deck case... | 05:07 |
| Macer | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Shuttle/ | 05:07 |
| Macer | i had to get a picoUPS for that thing | 05:07 |
| Macer | psu died on me .. what a piece of shit psu it was | 05:07 |
| Proteous | http://www.fandanta.org/mike/shuttle/ | 05:08 |
| Proteous | mine was destroyed by the PSU too | 05:08 |
| * Proteous cries | 05:08 | |
| Proteous | well, partialy my stupidity | 05:08 |
| Macer | well. the psu didn't kill it | 05:08 |
| Proteous | trying to run a 12v pump off of the crappy stock PSU | 05:08 |
| Macer | but the fan was grinding so loud that i tossed the psu and ordered a picopsu | 05:08 |
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| matt___ | Was wondering...would it be possible for me to setup vlc on my desktop, and then stream a video to my 810 over wireless? | 05:09 |
| Macer | HAHAH | 05:09 |
| Macer | Proteous: what.. the.. fuck? :) | 05:09 |
| Macer | you don't think that was a tad bit overkill? | 05:09 |
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| Proteous | heh, never! | 05:10 |
| Proteous | it was all for looks | 05:10 |
| Macer | what the hell were you trying to run in that thing | 05:10 |
| Macer | ? | 05:10 |
| Macer | a goddamn 2.0GHz cpu oc'd to 5? | 05:10 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:10 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:10 |
| Proteous | I belive it was a 2400+ mobile chip that I was overclocking | 05:10 |
| Proteous | stock 2ghz, I could get it stable at 2.5 | 05:11 |
| Macer | i like the radiator on top | 05:11 |
| Macer | nice job | 05:11 |
| Proteous | thanks | 05:11 |
| Macer | custom built i am guesing? | 05:11 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:11 |
| Proteous | well, the waterblocks are from dangerden | 05:11 |
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| Macer | i'm talking about the radiator frame | 05:11 |
| Proteous | but the tubing and fittings are custom | 05:11 |
| Macer | did you ever finish that? | 05:11 |
| Proteous | yeah, that is custom too | 05:12 |
| Macer | i don't usually do much custom type work | 05:12 |
| Macer | don't have the metal skills heh | 05:12 |
| Proteous | it was just cut from some aluminium square tub | 05:12 |
| Proteous | no wielding or anything | 05:12 |
| Proteous | wielding aluminium is hard, even with the right equipment | 05:13 |
| Macer | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Main_Server/05092008054.jpg | 05:13 |
| Macer | oops | 05:13 |
| Macer | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Main_Server/ | 05:13 |
| Macer | that's my beast of a fileserver | 05:13 |
| Macer | although nowadays it's not as nice as it used to be :) | 05:13 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:13 |
| Macer | i love thermaltake armor cases | 05:13 |
| Proteous | lian-li fan here | 05:14 |
| Macer | what i really wanted but could never find is a thermaltake sword case | 05:14 |
| Macer | i think they made 4 of them or something haha | 05:14 |
| Proteous | http://mike.ogaz.org/files/trimonitor.jpg | 05:14 |
| Macer | i could never find one | 05:14 |
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| Macer | i think i am going to start building one of these mini itx boxes | 05:15 |
| Proteous | what kind of raid card is in your server? | 05:15 |
| Macer | am2+? :) | 05:15 |
| Macer | areca areca arc-1120 | 05:16 |
| Macer | pci-x (remember that?) | 05:16 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:16 |
| Proteous | I have a 3u server sitting in my closet, not running | 05:16 |
| Macer | it had its brief moment in history :).. it's a pretty solid card | 05:16 |
| Macer | running the 8 drives raid 6 | 05:16 |
| Macer | so i get like 5.5 out of them formatted | 05:17 |
| Macer | 5.5TB | 05:17 |
| Proteous | it has a 3ware pci-x 8 port raid card in it | 05:17 |
| Macer | forgot what model of tyan i have in there | 05:17 |
| Macer | it's a dual socket 940.. but i skimpped on the cpus and got 1.8GHz dual core cpus | 05:17 |
| Macer | i put 8G in it after those pics | 05:18 |
| Macer | so it's a dual dual core 1.8GHz w/ 8G and 8TB | 05:18 |
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| Macer | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Dual_P3/ | 05:19 |
| Macer | my dns/shell box :) | 05:19 |
| Macer | my dual p3/500MHz BEAST | 05:19 |
| Proteous | hah | 05:19 |
| Macer | i used a compact flash as the main drive for it | 05:20 |
| Macer | with 2 adapters on it haha | 05:20 |
| Macer | and electrical tape | 05:20 |
| Proteous | nice | 05:20 |
| Macer | there is kind of a blurry picture of it | 05:20 |
| Macer | was too hard to take a clear one | 05:20 |
| Macer | oh yeah.. and zip ties :) | 05:21 |
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| Macer | i love that computer. it always ran true heh | 05:22 |
| Macer | it can still run xp like a champ haha.. with it's PC3200 dimms! | 05:22 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:23 |
| Proteous | hmm, an Iridium commercial satellite and an older russian satellite collided in orbit | 05:24 |
| Macer | iridium? | 05:25 |
| Macer | the sat phone people? :) | 05:25 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:25 |
| Macer | well.. that can't be good | 05:25 |
| Macer | used to use them a lot in iraq to call home | 05:25 |
| Proteous | 1000lb satellite, not cheap to put into orbit | 05:25 |
| Macer | god knows teh russians aren't going to pay for it | 05:25 |
| Proteous | hah | 05:25 |
| Proteous | wonder if they had satellite insurance | 05:26 |
| Macer | even though i'm sure it was their fault | 05:26 |
| Macer | iridium doesn't need insurance | 05:26 |
| Macer | they have a huge govt contract | 05:26 |
| Macer | they can just piggy back it into a nasa shuttle :) | 05:26 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:26 |
| Macer | believe me.. the govt does NOT want to give up those sat phones | 05:27 |
| Macer | plus iridium has encrypted phones for military use | 05:27 |
| Macer | i'm pretty sure there aren't too many places that do | 05:27 |
| Macer | you can go covered with govt issued ciphers | 05:28 |
| Macer | FSB2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s) | 05:28 |
| Macer | hm | 05:28 |
| rm_you | johnx: johnx? | 05:28 |
| rm_you | Someone know about version tags in the debian changelog file? | 05:31 |
| rm_you | for instance: | 05:31 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight (0.14-3) unstable; urgency=low | 05:31 |
| rm_you | where it says "unstable", what are my other options? | 05:31 |
| Macer | AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor Model ADH5050DOBOX - Retail | 05:31 |
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| Macer | i would get nervous running something over 45W :) | 05:32 |
| Macer | on a mini itx board | 05:32 |
| Proteous | it's traces are just as big as the traces on an ATX board | 05:32 |
| Proteous | :) | 05:32 |
| Macer | well | 05:32 |
| Macer | i should have said case | 05:32 |
| Proteous | as long as you have a good heatsink and fan | 05:32 |
| Proteous | ah | 05:33 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:33 |
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| Macer | i'm sure any mini itx case i find will have a shit psu | 05:33 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:33 |
| Macer | like my shuttle | 05:33 |
| Macer | with its out the box grinding | 05:33 |
| matt____ | is there a thing I can install to enable .mp3 video playback? | 05:33 |
| Macer | .mp3 video playback? | 05:33 |
| Macer | use mplayer | 05:33 |
| Proteous | never heard of mp3 video | 05:33 |
| Macer | me neither | 05:33 |
| Proteous | mpeg2 yes, mpeg4 yes | 05:33 |
| Macer | but i'm guessing he means videos encoded w/ mp3 as the audio track | 05:33 |
| Proteous | mp3, no | 05:34 |
| Proteous | mpeg2 layer 3 audio | 05:34 |
| matt____ | I mean't mp4, sorry. | 05:34 |
| matt____ | Ok...so mplayer successfully opened the file, but it must be too high of a bitrate. Is there a page for "recommended specs or something for the videos? | 05:35 |
| matt____ | I mean, I was getting like 10spf (10 seconds per frame). | 05:35 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:35 |
| Macer | frames per second | 05:35 |
| Proteous | yeah, not a lot of power on the NIT | 05:35 |
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| Macer | your best bet is to use nero. and encode it with an ipod profile | 05:36 |
| Macer | at least i found that to be the easiest way | 05:36 |
| matt____ | Macer: no....no no no...seconds per frame. | 05:36 |
| Macer | uhm | 05:36 |
| matt____ | Macer: if I do that...does it play successfully? | 05:36 |
| Proteous | I use tversity running on my media server, encodes my files on the fly and streams them to my n810 | 05:36 |
| Macer | no... no no no.. frames per second | 05:36 |
| Macer | hence... it being called.. fps and not spf | 05:36 |
| Macer | seconds are always the same | 05:36 |
| Proteous | 10 seconds per frame == .1 frames per second | 05:36 |
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| Macer | you don't measure speed with time being first | 05:37 |
| Macer | :) | 05:37 |
| Proteous | you can measure it any way you want | 05:37 |
| Proteous | :P | 05:37 |
| matt____ | Proteous: settled then. tversity...I tried vlc to stream...but it didn't quite work...but I didn't know what I was doing. I suppose it isn't much different that setting up a server for a xbox 360 is it? | 05:37 |
| Macer | i suppose.. but that would be awkward | 05:37 |
| Macer | like people who use dvorak keybaords | 05:38 |
| Proteous | tversity is pretty simple to setup | 05:38 |
| Proteous | the systm video podcast did a show on it last week | 05:38 |
| matt____ | Proteous: and what would i use to see the stuff from my nokia? | 05:38 |
| Proteous | tversity has a preset for the tablets | 05:38 |
| Proteous | it can autodetect the device and uses the right encoding settings | 05:38 |
| matt____ | Proteous: I'll take a look, got a linky? | 05:38 |
| Proteous | it's windows only | 05:39 |
| matt____ | Proteous: why the hell? That sucks. | 05:39 |
| Proteous | not sure if that is a problem | 05:39 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:39 |
| Proteous | sorry | 05:39 |
| matt____ | Proteous: It is a very serious problem. Anything similiar for linux? | 05:39 |
| Proteous | not sure, maybe mythTV can do it | 05:39 |
| Macer | some of these mini itx cases are HUGE | 05:39 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 05:40 |
| Proteous | just need an old tapedeck... | 05:40 |
| Macer | yah | 05:40 |
| Macer | i honestly thought the shuttle was rather large | 05:40 |
| matt____ | Proteous: wonder if it'd work in wine? | 05:40 |
| Macer | but i didn't mind when i found out i could put a slim dvd burner in it later on | 05:40 |
| Macer | i still don't understand that clear panel concept though.. are you supposed to print up mickey mouse pics and punch holes in it or somthing? | 05:41 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:41 |
| Macer | i suppose i could put a picture of my son in it | 05:41 |
| Macer | but that just seems tacky | 05:41 |
| Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811190108 | 05:42 |
| Macer | look at that... 9.8" deep? | 05:42 |
| Macer | wtf? | 05:42 |
| Proteous | looks like tversity can be run from wine, but the encoding doesn't work | 05:42 |
| matt____ | Proteous: Do you have any experience with vlc? | 05:43 |
| Proteous | nothing besides occasional playback with it | 05:43 |
| Macer | and what's with the "japanese steel" shit | 05:43 |
| Macer | like you are trying to buy a sword or something | 05:43 |
| Proteous | my kitchen knives are japanese steel | 05:44 |
| matt____ | Proteous: Do you have it installed? If so...could you take a look at the stream output section and give me a hint if it'd work? | 05:44 |
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| Macer | i'm sure the $90 case compares to a razor sharp knife ;) | 05:44 |
| Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133044 | 05:44 |
| Macer | that is as big as the shuttle | 05:45 |
| Macer | 17.0'' x 11.8'' x 9.1'' | 05:45 |
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| Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154093 | 05:47 |
| Macer | that one is pointless. for something like that you should just build a microatx | 05:47 |
| Proteous | matt____: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/06/02/2007/n800-video-streaming-with-vlc/ | 05:48 |
| Macer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=11-166-050-03.jpg&Image=11-166-050-03.jpg%2c11-166-050-05.jpg%2c11-166-050-04.jpg%2c11-166-050-06.jpg%2c11-166-050-07.jpg%2c11-166-050-08.jpg%2c11-166-050-09.jpg%2c11-166-050-10.jpg%2c11-166-050-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16811166050&Depa=1&Description=Sunbeam%20ACMI-P-T%20Transparent%20Computer%20Case%20With%20Side%20Panel%20Window | 05:49 |
| Macer | ok... that one is interesting | 05:50 |
| Proteous | ... | 05:50 |
| Proteous | tinyurl.com plz | 05:50 |
| Macer | yah.. sorrry | 05:50 |
| Macer | didn't realize how long it was :) | 05:50 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: pushing ABL 0.15-0 to extras-devel for basic testing | 05:51 |
| * benson applauds, and runs to try it out. | 05:53 | |
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| Proteous | matt____: there is a mythTV frontend for maemo called MaemoMyth | 05:56 |
| matt____ | Proteous: How well does it work? | 05:57 |
| Macer | http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo/ | 05:57 |
| Proteous | heh, no idea | 05:57 |
| Macer | wow... now that looks very interesting | 05:57 |
| Proteous | http://www.n800blog.com/2008/maemomyth-for-the-n800/ | 05:58 |
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| rm_you | damn, i386 build is failing.... i don't really care but it isn't showing up in the promoter for some reason still? | 06:17 |
| rm_you | hrm | 06:18 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: chinook promoter is broken? | 06:18 |
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| timsamoff | rm_you: X-Fade's offline this week. | 06:21 |
| rm_you | ah :/ | 06:25 |
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| tonyyarusso | Is maemo.org always this slow to respond? | 06:38 |
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| Macer | http://via-itx.com/via-vipro-series.html | 06:55 |
| b-man | nice :) | 06:57 |
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| Macer | i am going to buy one of these... | 06:59 |
| Macer | http://www.via-itx.com/via-artigo-builder-kit.html | 06:59 |
| Macer | that thing is badass :) | 07:00 |
| Macer | think i'll put debian on it | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, good, now line up .16, .17 and .18 for release every 10 days for about the next month. :P | 07:00 |
| rm_you | lolz | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you don't even have to change the code. | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just "fix" some nonexistent bugs. | 07:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I is not a corrupt coder :P | 07:01 |
| rm_you | my checksum is valid? :P | 07:03 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: hey, do you know a calendar/contacts sync service on Maemo and/or Mer? | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, well if a small one exists for ubuntu it exists for mer | 08:59 |
| Corsac | not quite the answer I expected ;p | 09:00 |
| Corsac | I was a bit surprised Maemo didn't even come with a calendar, in fact | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | well it wasnt a pda, but an IT | 09:01 |
| Corsac | still | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, i agree | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | there's also dates-hildon and contacts-hildon and tasks-hildo | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | n | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | for um, works in mer | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | (except maybe dates-hildon, not sure why) | 09:01 |
| Corsac | yeah, the replica of contacts/dates/tasks | 09:02 |
| Corsac | which are nice, sure | 09:02 |
| Corsac | now I just need to find a way to sync them :/ | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | well on the other hand, you dont need to port 56225 libraries to support typical syncing solutions | 09:03 |
| Corsac | on the third hand, I don't know a really working sync solution on Linux | 09:03 |
| Corsac | I was a bit hoping that maemo had a magical solution which I could use to sync all my contacts and calendars between phone and computer :) | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true. one of the things MS got right :P | 09:03 |
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| Corsac | ho and the device didn't went to sleep last night >< | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 09:04 |
| darkblue_B | I've heard calendars are still hard.. competing standards, and internationalization | 09:05 |
| darkblue_B | believe it or not | 09:05 |
| Corsac | yes, basically they suck | 09:05 |
| Corsac | there's the iCal standard, but everybody implements it differently :) | 09:05 |
| Corsac | especially in phones | 09:05 |
| darkblue_B | hey I loaded Mer for a minute and it seemed like a ghost town.. I am not that familiar with the repos.. | 09:06 |
| Corsac | and the way one can access the data is different too | 09:06 |
| darkblue_B | can I get the Hildon Python in some relatively straightforward way for mer? | 09:06 |
| darkblue_B | with my actual Nokia N800 all I have to do is load one of any number of small apps, and the python setup comes along | 09:07 |
| Corsac | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 09:08 |
| Corsac | hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed | 09:08 |
| Corsac | scary ;p | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: what did you try to add? | 09:08 |
| Corsac | nothing, I just tried a dist-upgrade | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | darkblue_B: what most people dont realize is that the entire catalogue of ubuntu is there too | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | homeip will drag in python hildon i think | 09:08 |
| Corsac | which is the last version anyway | 09:09 |
| Corsac | as osso-af-startup | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: what repos do you have added? | 09:09 |
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| darkblue_B | Stskeeps: thats ok, I run Ubuntu.. b ut I wanted to try to write some Hildon things | 09:10 |
| darkblue_B | yes, Home IP brings in quite a bit... | 09:10 |
| Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/28182/ | 09:10 |
| darkblue_B | maybe I shold look again | 09:10 |
| RST38h | A US Iridium satellite has hit a defunct Russian satellite in an unprecedented space collision. The crash occurred some 790km (491 miles) over Siberia on Tuesday, according to NASA, and produced a "massive" cloud of debris! | 09:11 |
| Corsac | wow | 09:11 |
| RST38h | Oh yesss | 09:11 |
| Corsac | star wars! | 09:11 |
| Corsac | RST38h: url? | 09:11 |
| * RST38h almost said that | 09:11 | |
| RST38h | http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10162077-76.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | 09:12 |
| darkblue_B | space junk | 09:12 |
| darkblue_B | Corsac: thx | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: .. on mer or maemo? | 09:14 |
| Corsac | maemo | 09:15 |
| Corsac | with Mer I would have ubuntu and mer repository I guess | 09:15 |
| Corsac | I still didn't had time to buy an SD card :/ | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 09:15 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: adding Debian or Ubuntu repositories to a maemo install sounds like a bad idea, I guess? | 09:17 |
| bef0rd | sounds like something that won't work at all | 09:17 |
| RST38h | Corsac: Dont | 09:17 |
| Corsac | ok :) | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: bingo, mer and maemo repositories are remotely insane, but they work sometimes cos of pinning | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: HAM back up again it seems, must have found a bad time to pull from ubuntu repository when it was built | 09:35 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: btw, the Mer base system looks more to Diablo or Freemantle, or to Ubuntu? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: more ubuntu than maemo but more maemo than ubuntu.. is the kinda balance we try to strike. Mer UNIX base system is ubuntu but may be altered to be more Maemo-like in terms of power saving/bootup/etc. Mer UI and some central UI libraries is maemoish | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | but we arent seeing tablets as embedded systems, which means no busybox, for instance | 09:42 |
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| jaem | hello | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:44 |
| jaem | so... how about scrapping Mer, and working on a Plan 9 port :P | 09:44 |
| jaem | just kidding | 09:44 |
| * johnx grabs his coffee and sits down | 09:45 | |
| johnx | morning all | 09:45 |
| jaem | what is this "morning" you speak of? | 09:45 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: yeah, I meant really base system, especially stuff like initial startup, initscript and stuff like that | 09:45 |
| johnx | ~ugt | 09:45 |
| infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: how about we all just buy a warehouse full of tequila instead of coding | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: upstart and such really :P | 09:45 |
| jaem | sts: that sounds marginally less productive | 09:46 |
| jaem | s/marginally/entirely/ | 09:46 |
| infobot | jaem meant: sts: that sounds entirely less productive | 09:46 |
| johnx | Corsac, that part is very similar to ubuntu right now | 09:46 |
| Corsac | but that sound more tequilive | 09:46 |
| jaem | that sounds like texlive | 09:46 |
| johnx | potentially it could change to be more maemo-like if there is a big advantage | 09:46 |
| Corsac | not sure texlive on a tablet would be a good idea | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | has to be tried.. | 09:47 |
| Corsac | not sure tequila on a tablet wood be a good one either | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, latex on 133mhz worked | 09:47 |
| jaem | beat me to it | 09:47 |
| * Corsac beats jaem | 09:47 | |
| * darkblue_B show three of a kind | 09:48 | |
| * jaem dunks Corsac's tablet in Sts' tequila | 09:48 | |
| * darkblue_B watches three stooges | 09:48 | |
| Stskeeps | damnit. its 8:48am and i feel like drinking tequila | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | damn you | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:49 |
| johnx | got a bottle that needs finishing right over here :) | 09:49 |
| johnx | drop by before I head out for work | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:49 |
| jaem | tequila-over-IP? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | i am heading to work in a bit too | 09:50 |
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| jaem | I have an ammendment to make to the UGT definition | 09:51 |
| jaem | it's not late night when a member leaves | 09:51 |
| jaem | it's early morning | 09:51 |
| jaem | usually about 3AM | 09:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sprint reporting has gone totally down the drain. | 09:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to incentivize. | 09:52 | |
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| jaem | as opposed to being partly down the drain? | 09:53 |
| jaem | stuck halfway, like a ball of hair? | 09:53 |
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| jaem | and fingernail clippings... | 09:54 |
| johnx | jaem, that sounds fair enough :) but still we'd say 'good night' in that case in most English speaking countries :P | 09:56 |
| jaem | fair enough | 09:57 |
| jaem | it's getting to the time i should be heading to bed | 09:57 |
| jaem | I have a four-hour physics lab at 8:30AM | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: make it easier? :P | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | (link it to a jaiku channel or alike, we have a rss channel now :P) | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | channel / plugin | 09:57 |
| jaem | but I'm trying to figure out how to install Plan 9 on an old SPARC box, without a monitor | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, not a bad idea, but I'd rather not resort to an outside service to do it. | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe there's a plugin. . . | 09:58 |
| jaem | I'd be happy to test out Mer when I get my tablet back | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: you can always grab the VMDK too | 09:59 |
| jaem | yes, and I may, but I find it easier to use on the real HW | 10:00 |
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| Stskeeps | (heh, vmdk images might actually make presentations a hell bloody easier on maemo summits..) | 10:00 |
| jaem | I think I've finally gotten my warranty problems worked out | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, at least we have fixed the ctrl-m problem now | 10:00 |
| jaem | Nokia messed up on the customs paperwork, and UPS wanted to charge me $64 | 10:00 |
| Corsac | hhmh, GSMA Mobile World Congress is next week, it's about time to speculate about N9xx, doesn't it? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: iTT is speculation city | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, speculation is done. ;) | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now we just need an announcement to confirm it. :P | 10:01 |
| Corsac | yeah, sure | 10:01 |
| jaem | the speculation makes me wish I was several hundred dollars richer | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, hurry up and churn out some packages. | 10:01 |
| Corsac | that would be the right time, just after the prices drop on n810 | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe you can snag a discount. ;) | 10:01 |
| Corsac | but announcement != availability anyway | 10:02 |
| Corsac | you have some more time to rob a bank or something | 10:02 |
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| jaem | GA: which packages? | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I might be willing to trade open development for an N800-style announcement at this point. | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, any packages. Get your karma up. ;) | 10:02 |
| jaem | for Mer, you mean? | 10:02 |
| Corsac | how was the n800 announcement? | 10:02 |
| jaem | I can see about that | 10:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, announced and released on the same day. | 10:03 |
| Corsac | wow | 10:03 |
| jaem | I have a VM with scratchbox on my friend's server | 10:03 |
| Corsac | that sounds like adultery | 10:03 |
| johnx | basically announced by CompUSA :) | 10:03 |
| jaem | GA: how best to get involved? What needs doing? | 10:04 |
| RST38h | Is CompUSA sitll around? =) | 10:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, nope. that's what happens to people who leak Nokia product info | 10:04 |
| RST38h | johnx: Scary | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i still think the moment they release info on the future UI, is when they announce the product, though | 10:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaem, if it's Mer you want to help with, talk to Stskeeps and johnx. | 10:08 |
| hahlo | isn't mer french word for sea? | 10:10 |
| RST38h | it is | 10:12 |
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| gomiam | hahlo: mmm... I thought it was mêr. I was mistaken. | 10:13 |
| hahlo | ok | 10:14 |
| gomiam | there is this untranslatable word play in Spanish about mer and clams... | 10:17 |
| solmumaha | i think it also means more in swedish | 10:18 |
| johnx | jaem, sorry, I'm on my way to work, but check out the Mer's sprint page and see if there's anything there that interests you | 10:18 |
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| gomiam | solmumaha: that wouldn't surprise me much, since "mehr" is "more", in German (and they share linguistic roots IIRC) | 10:18 |
| jaem | johnx: willdo... I'm not up to much coding at the moment, not having had any experience with GTK/Hildon, but I'll see what I can do | 10:19 |
| StsN800 | is always a good way to learn | 10:20 |
| StsN800 | and 80% of mer work isnt ui coding atm | 10:20 |
| jaem | okay, well, I'll take a look | 10:21 |
| jaem | right now, actually | 10:21 |
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| StsN800 | the double application bug could need some tracking down | 10:26 |
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| StsN800 | visible on x86 too | 10:27 |
| liri | uhh... more package install errors | 10:35 |
| liri | I wonder how all of this is happening | 10:35 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:36 |
| liri | morning aqua | 10:36 |
| liri | I'm getting a dpkg install when attempting to manually install the apache2 webserver package I got from maemo gargae : http://pastebin.ca/1334661 | 10:37 |
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| RST38h | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/nokia_e75_is_leaked_again.htm | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | Anything familiar? | 10:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why can't we get any damn RX-51 leaks? :( | 10:45 |
| RST38h | Maybe because Nokia does not intend to announce it at the MWC? | 10:47 |
| jaem | *gasp* | 10:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but we got N810 and N800 leaks very early on. | 10:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody been paying attention to the FCC? | 10:47 |
| jaem | E))) usually does, and I haven't seen anything there... but neither have I looked for myself | 10:48 |
| RST38h | General: There appears to be one Nokia device in the FCC right now | 10:49 |
| jaem | link? | 10:49 |
| RST38h | just a footprint image with thelabel | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | looks more like e75 or an e51 replacement | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/nokia_e75_is_leaked_again.htm | 10:51 |
| RST38h | wait, wrong url | 10:51 |
| RST38h | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/shakira_confirmed_by_fcc.htm | 10:51 |
| jaem | hehe... I do that a lot lately, especially because AwesomeWM doesn't handle copy-and-paste as I'm used to | 10:51 |
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| RST38h | Ok, here is a list of Nokia devices currently in the FCC: | 10:53 |
| RST38h | RM-89, RM-227, RM-244, RM-294, RA-6 | 10:53 |
| RST38h | RM-294 is E61i | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Oh wait, there is much much more =) | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Ok, since E63 US edition, there have been: RM-412, RM-413, both look like candy bars | 10:58 |
| aquatix | RST38h: erm, that shakira article is a year old? | 10:59 |
| jaem | by the way, where do you find the FCC filings, anyways? I've never actually found that part of the site, for some reason | 10:59 |
| RST38h | No, RM-413 has been submitted to FCC on Dec 23 2008 | 10:59 |
| RST38h | jaem: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearchResult.cfm?RequestTimeout=500 | 10:59 |
| aquatix | RST38h: then someone has been typing 2008 all over that article instead of 2009 | 11:00 |
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| RST38h | Nokia has also requested new bands for E71 and E66 | 11:01 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I trust FCC database more than I trust random bloggers | 11:01 |
| * aquatix wonders what the price of an n97 will be | 11:01 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: true | 11:01 |
| jaem | aquatix: more than I can afford | 11:02 |
| jaem | my phone is a pathetic piece of garbage | 11:02 |
| jaem | (not Nokia) | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hardware isn't all that impressive. | 11:02 |
| RST38h | There are few mine-like devices Nokia has submitted, HF-310 and HF-510 | 11:02 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Just get a 5800 | 11:02 |
| jaem | the vibe motor is pretty much shot, after a year and a half, so I have to purchase a callerID Bluetooth wristband | 11:02 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: nah, i want qwerty | 11:02 |
| RST38h | aquatix: it does not have the bling but gets the work done | 11:02 |
| RST38h | aquatix: has got on-screen keyboard too | 11:03 |
| aquatix | i have qwerty and touchscreen on my m600i and loving it | 11:03 |
| RST38h | very similar to n8x0 | 11:03 |
| glass | 5800's new fw is pretty nice | 11:03 |
| aquatix | yeah, but i don't like on-screen ones :/ | 11:03 |
| aquatix | no nice feedback | 11:03 |
| RST38h | glass: our 5800 got stolen =( | 11:03 |
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| RST38h | glass: getting new one today | 11:03 |
| glass | RST38h: hehe | 11:03 |
| glass | RST38h: they're cheap too tho | 11:03 |
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| RST38h | glass: Not at local salaries =) | 11:03 |
| glass | hehe | 11:03 |
| jaem | well, goodnight, everyone | 11:04 |
| aquatix | jaem: nn | 11:04 |
| aquatix | maybe i'll just stick with my m600i for another year | 11:04 |
| jaem | with any luck, I'll get my N810 back tomorrow, and I can be back in the proverbial loop | 11:04 |
| RST38h | glass: anyways, additional security training has been given to wife | 11:04 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: heh | 11:04 |
| RST38h | glass: as in "when you see kid, do not drop everything you have been holding in your hands" | 11:05 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo meiz | 11:42 |
| hahlo | Meiz_n810: huomenta | 11:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | hyvää huomenta hahalo | 11:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | oops | 11:43 |
| hahlo | :) | 11:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/hahalo/hahlo/ | 11:43 |
| hahlo | secret nokialand language | 11:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | hello Sts too | 11:43 |
| * Meiz_n810 is upgrading Mer | 11:44 | |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: HAM is back working now, and there's the first step for Fn fix | 11:44 |
| hahlo | i should try mer too | 11:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ok | 11:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | imager won't work hildon-theme-selector: Depends: osso-pick-theme but it is not going to be installed | 11:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | Depends: rcrefresh but it is not installable | 11:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | Depends: hildon-control-panel-theme but it is not installable | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'll rebuild it for armel | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: how's the beagle so far? | 11:54 |
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| alterego | Not really had any time to play with it. Been really busy the past month and now I might be being made redundant. So well .. :/ | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | er, now that was inappropiate.. | 11:55 |
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| alterego | Don't worry about it ;) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | read first part of the sentence first and then "busy" :P | 11:55 |
| * alterego blames Bush Jnr :P | 11:55 | |
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| alterego | And all the ass hole bankers/gov'ts that got us into this state of affairs. | 11:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, alterego. :) | 11:57 |
| * Stskeeps is having a tad of job change too, but from one part of the centre i'm at, from public (uni) to private part | 11:57 | |
| alterego | Hey GeneralAntilles :) | 11:57 |
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| alterego | Well, they're making 1/3 of the software engineering team redundant and as I'm the newest employee :/ | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jumpyoufackersuo1.jpg | 11:58 |
| alterego | OTOH, I have a large skill set that no one else in the department, or even the company as a whole has. So that moves more into my favour. | 11:58 |
| RST38h | (sorry for a repeat =) | 11:58 |
| alterego | :D | 11:59 |
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| aquatix | ghehe | 12:00 |
| pupnik_ | anybody know about open-source image recognition? | 12:00 |
| alterego | So, I've been looking for another Job regardless, because if things are getting this bad that they've got to make so many people redundant across the board, then I guess I should make like a rat and leave this sinking ship ;) | 12:00 |
| aquatix | pupnik_: ask spammers? | 12:00 |
| aquatix | pupnik_: or didn't you mean ocr | 12:00 |
| pupnik_ | more faces | 12:00 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:00 |
| RST38h | pupnik: only academic projects | 12:00 |
| aquatix | pupnik_: recognition of faces, or only `this is a face' | 12:01 |
| pupnik_ | recog | 12:01 |
| aquatix | hm | 12:01 |
| pupnik_ | hi-dev webcam | 12:01 |
| pupnik_ | def | 12:01 |
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| alterego | "Hi-Dev" still sounds cool though ;) | 12:03 |
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| hahlo | Stskeeps: can i flash mer to disk like diablo? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we dont provide a jffs2 image yet, so it installs only on SD | 12:09 |
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| hahlo | ok | 12:11 |
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| SaBer | is the lidonmm shared library pre-installed on maemo devices? Is there some list of bundled applications and libraries somewhere? | 12:16 |
| SaBer | s/lidonmm/hildonmm/ | 12:16 |
| infobot | SaBer meant: is the hildonmm shared library pre-installed on maemo devices? Is there some list of bundled applications and libraries somewhere? | 12:16 |
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| hahlo | Stskeeps: does mer have own kernel? | 12:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like it when they expect you to pay hardcover prices for ebooks that have been in paperback for months. | 13:00 |
| LinuxCode | I find it cheeky to charge the same for an ebook as the paperback | 13:01 |
| LinuxCode | imho, if you buy a paper copy, you should get a ebook as well | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, yes, well, that's at least _mildly_ less ridiculous than charging orders of magnitude more. | 13:02 |
| t_s_o | just visit the publishers webpage and enter a code printed inside the hardcopy? | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's hope publishers die horribly sometime soon. | 13:03 |
| * RST38h points it out that a ebook is basically a text file | 13:03 | |
| RST38h | Not a very large one too... | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The book industry is a messed up place. | 13:03 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: most middle man indistrues are | 13:03 |
| LinuxCode | some books have discs in them with the ebook on | 13:03 |
| LinuxCode | which i find is a nice touch | 13:03 |
| LinuxCode | t_s_o, what code ? | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | no starch does that ? | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | and oreilly ? | 13:04 |
| t_s_o | LinuxCode: it was a thought experiment | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | ahhh | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | k | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | sadly they dont afaik | 13:04 |
| t_s_o | nope | 13:05 |
| t_s_o | to bad that current poppler does a bad job when converting pdf to text, the line breaks become hardcoded... | 13:05 |
| HeMan | Hi! I recently found my N770 and it was having some odd problems when I boot it | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | PDFs are evil | 13:06 |
| HeMan | If it finds a wireless network that it knows of it constantly reboots | 13:06 |
| t_s_o | resulting in some odd paragraphs no matter how i tune fbreader | 13:06 |
| HeMan | unless I have the power connected | 13:06 |
| t_s_o | still, i think there was some patches on its way to "fix" that | 13:06 |
| HeMan | should I try to change battery? | 13:06 |
| HeMan | or could it be a hardware problem? | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | hahlo: no, same as diablo | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: should work now. | 13:14 |
| * RST38h strokes his evil PDF | 13:18 | |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | HeMan: i think there's some cx3110x patches | 13:22 |
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| HeMan | Stskeeps: I've tried both with the original OS image and 2008 HE with the same result | 13:27 |
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| HeMan | Stskeeps: the original OS was the one that I had it running with before I put it away | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | why on earth does python-gnome2-extras provide gtkmozembed | 13:28 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly what this 'testing' repo on repository is aboot. | 13:42 | |
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| lardman | OT, but anyone happen to know how a C++ string is held in memory? Specifically std::string and for MS C++ | 13:44 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Can you point to a resource? i.e. a URL or dir? | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: hmm? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, FBReader crashing on start. | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: if it's about p-g-e and gtkmozembed, i'm just complaining about weird places to put python packages, in ubuntu :) | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | then again i have to earn my pay somehow.. | 13:49 |
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| Jaffa | Today's LWN contains a piece about "Power management in Nokia's next Maemo device" from a talk at FOSDEM | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Related to what we've already seen | 14:02 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 14:02 | |
| Stskeeps | oh blah, not a subscriber | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | http://lwn.net/Articles/318727 | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | I can get a non-subscriber link | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/318727/fcca2ede5b608583/ | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | end of feb, hmm :P | 14:04 |
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| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Oh, okay. :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | (my job description is maintaining userland and making hw work for pervasive healthcare projects, part Mer, part work-specific distribution :P) | 14:08 |
| Corsac | I was at that talk | 14:09 |
| Corsac | the first one, by Matthew Garrett | 14:10 |
| * Stskeeps is still waiting patiently for the maemo on beagleboard slides | 14:11 | |
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| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Hmm, interesting work. | 14:22 |
| jeremiah | In England? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: .dk | 14:22 |
| jeremiah | ah. I am in .se | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a masters thesis-writing comp.sci student working parttime for the uni, so :P | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | Are you dansk? | 14:23 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps: the Maemo on BeagleBoard slides are here: https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/880/370/maemo-beagle-fosdem2009.pdf | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | tekojo: oh, finally, - ta | 14:23 |
| tekojo | And I'll tell Juha to be more noisy about his doings :-) | 14:24 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps: No problem | 14:24 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: 1. Do you blog about Floss-y type things? 2. Would you like to be part of http://fnoss.org/planet ? | 14:24 |
| Corsac | Juha? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: not blogging (yet), but i might start soon, with Mer-related stuff | 14:24 |
| tekojo | Corsac: Juha Kallionen, the guy who runs Maemo on BeagleBoard | 14:24 |
| jeremiah | Works for me, send the feed when you are up and running. | 14:25 |
| Corsac | ha, not Juha Kautto ;p | 14:25 |
| tekojo | Corsac: Juha is probably among the three most common male first names in Finland :-) | 14:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, is he blogging? | 14:27 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: He has rights to the Maemo DP blog, I should push him to write more | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, I was thinking if he were blogging somewhere and it weren't syndicated to Planet. . . . | 14:30 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles: Not that I know of. At least he's not blogging about anything Maemo related | 14:31 |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps: Mer-ry stuff ;) | 14:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, I meant to thank you for pointing out that ebook article. It was a good read. | 14:42 |
| mgedmin | yes, it was | 14:43 |
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| rzr | tekojo: was that beagleboard filmed ?. | 14:48 |
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| tekojo | rzr: filmed? | 14:53 |
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| rzr | tekojo: yes videos ? | 14:53 |
| rzr | like the debian conferences | 14:54 |
| tekojo | rzr: I don't know, I'll ask, but I don't think so | 14:54 |
| tekojo | rzr: sorry, no | 14:54 |
| mgedmin | a hollywood blockbuster, starring the beagleboard as ...? | 14:54 |
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| rzr | tekojo: too bad :(, about the pdf is it ok to publish the link on http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next ? | 14:57 |
| aquatix | mgedmin: as the powerful interconnect between the geeky hacker, the big banks and his secret crush | 14:57 |
| tekojo | rzr: I think so, it's on the Maemo on Beagle garage page, so public. | 14:58 |
| rzr | ok | 14:58 |
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| tekojo | rzr: Juha K isn't just too keen on drawing attention to the project just yet, as he feels it is still a bit wobbly :-) | 14:58 |
| rzr | :) | 14:59 |
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| tekojo | Told him it will anyway get better over time :-) | 14:59 |
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| Jaffa | tekojo: He should publicise more, otherwise Mer could steal his thunder ;-) | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: mm, i'm worried that maemo-beagle won't be awarded it's proper attention cos of 0.8's beagle port as well. - having an opening from nokia within running maemo outside the traditional tablets should be given a lot more attention :P | 15:11 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, any specific reason why you are so keen on beagle ? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: i have two in my office.. do i need more reason? | 15:13 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | just thinking on a small device, where saving power is essential | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | beagle is a bit.... | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | annoying | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | you're thinking beagle sw, i mean beagle hw? :P | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | ahhh | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | sorry | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 15:14 |
| LinuxCode | I thought it was a bit odd | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: .. and i guess it's also a consequence of not "just taking" maemo5 pre alphas and trying to get it to boot, and instead reconstructing maemo | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | which may be controversial but also a hell lot more fun :P | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | wb meiz | 15:33 |
| Meiz_mer | tnx | 15:34 |
| Meiz_mer | Fn key near? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | you remember the FDI stuff? | 15:34 |
| Meiz_mer | on itT? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i meant more like the fdi stuff for HAL copied to maemo or something | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the Xmodmaps for Fn will work now | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | how about theme selector, does it work? | 15:38 |
| Meiz_mer | sec | 15:38 |
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| Meiz_mer | theme selector works too | 15:42 |
| Meiz_mer | wow, this is a big font | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: can you install 'xev' and run it, and see if you get any input when clicking Fn? | 15:43 |
| Meiz_mer | ok | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | (it will show in the console though..) | 15:43 |
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| wazd_n800 | hola world) | 15:44 |
| AStorm | hi wazd | 15:45 |
| wazd_n800 | Just finished Ti84+ skin, looks very nice) | 15:47 |
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| Meiz_mer | dpkg naggs about nanos missing docs :( | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | we dont use docpurge anymore, afaik | 15:49 |
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| Meiz_mer | what am i supposed to do with xev? | 15:52 |
| Meiz_mer | how can in see if Fn works? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. terminal, xev > logfile | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | click fn when xev is up in the window, close xev, send me logfile | 15:53 |
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| liri | can pimlico actually sync with evolution or that is still not available | 15:54 |
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| Meiz_mer | Stskeeps: trac.tspre.org/meiz/xevlog | 15:58 |
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| Meiz_mer | it looks like xev notices the key | 15:58 |
| Meiz_mer | after xev was started i just pressed the Fn and closed it | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_mer: yes, it notices it, ta | 15:59 |
| thopiekar | hey..could someone please test some packages on a diablo tablet? | 16:00 |
| thopiekar | I repacked streamripper for armel but I can'T test it because mine is in the repair shop | 16:00 |
| thopiekar | .. | 16:00 |
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| thopiekar | [streamripper] http://rapidshare.com/files/196857825/streamripper_armel.all.tar.gz | 16:01 |
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| thopiekar | all dependences are inclueded | 16:01 |
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| Andrewfblack | what would I put in my desktop files to keep them from showing up in Hildon, I tried NotShowIn=Hildon; but didn't work | 16:06 |
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| Andrewfblack | wow sts your on a N801 | 16:20 |
| Macer | watching record of lodoss war | 16:22 |
| Macer | heh | 16:22 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: ain't you got anything better to do than waiting for me to commit the one mistake I'll always get wrong? :P | 16:41 |
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| wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, Ti84+ or Ti83+?) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i get confused constantly what is what really | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: "Maemo" is the Nokia funded project, which englobes the codebase, etc. "maemo.org" is the Open Source Community response that formed around that project | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_n800, what's the question? | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | if I get it right | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | (which I probably don't) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo is a software platform produced by Maemo Software, a division of Nokia. | 16:44 |
| wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, hello kitty skin :) | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_n800, lol, I was kidding. | 16:45 |
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| Myrtti | Hellokitty? | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | where's hellokitty? | 16:45 |
| wazd_n800 | GeneralAntilles, aww( | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | meaow? | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The TI-84+ is the only skinnable one of the two, though. | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | pink? | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_n800, still, if you want to do it, don't let me stop you. :P | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, you would've been largely correct 8 months ago. | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not anymore | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: can't really be bothered. People understood what I meant, end of discussion. | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: but I do understand and respect your point. | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, my goal is for it to be less confusing for everybody. | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: how about calling maemo.org Maemo, and Nokia Nokia? | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only really confusing part is people mixing up the situation pre-reorg and post-reorg | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, because Maemo is a trademark owned by Nokia. | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | as if | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | (they give a dog's bollocks) | 16:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For the same reason you can't create an application today called "Maemo x" | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd be violating Nokia's trademark. | 16:48 |
| AStorm | so how is maemo mapper called now? ;P | 16:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, because it was named before Nokia took up the brand | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it received amnesty. | 16:50 |
| wazd_n800 | Other Maemo Weather :) | 16:51 |
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| AStorm | rename to Other Monitor of Weather | 16:56 |
| AStorm | ;) | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: anyway, other than pedantism, nothing to add to the conversation about budgeting? Or do you feel you're not concerned because you won't attend anyway? | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I don't have anything to add at the moment, no. | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll look over it more closely and put in my thoughts later. | 16:57 |
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| jaska | just drop the ma part. or call it mämö, or mömmö | 17:16 |
| RST38h | that read as "or call it mDmG, or mGmmG" | 17:17 |
| RST38h | mGmmg Weather...Cool | 17:17 |
| jaska | umlauts | 17:17 |
| RST38h | jaska: cp1251. no umlauts. | 17:18 |
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| Myrtti | lol | 17:18 |
| jaska | latin9 for me.. iirc | 17:18 |
| Myrtti | mömmö | 17:18 |
| Myrtti | instant rofl | 17:18 |
| jaska | that was my first thought when i saw maemo years ago :) | 17:19 |
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| Myrtti | hehe, unfortunately I heard about it in Openmind together with the story of how they actually invented the name | 17:19 |
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| jaska | also the ae turns into an ä in my mind.. or the ma and emo get separated | 17:20 |
| * RST38h seriously does not understand this discussion though: unless the product with "maemo" in its name is grossly inappropriate, why not allow the author to use the word? | 17:20 | |
| RST38h | Maemo Mapper, Maemo Weather, Maemopad - they all contain "maemo" for a reason. | 17:20 |
| jaska | well, trademarks are just another form of imaginary property | 17:20 |
| timeless | "legacy" | 17:20 |
| timeless | none of them would if written today | 17:20 |
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| timeless | but, when was the last time you used Mozilla based browser for Maemo? :) | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | jaska: in this case, the word is used with respect and for appropriate reasons | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | the last time I used my 770? | 17:21 |
| jaska | erm, wasnt that opera-based | 17:21 |
| timeless | there was an unofficial release for the 770 | 17:22 |
| timeless | so it's possible he grabbed it | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | jaska: 2007HE had microb | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | who? | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | who grabbed? | 17:22 |
| jaska | also sometimes it turns into mamo in my mind.. which means 'a wuss' | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | huh? | 17:22 |
| roope | afaik Nokia granted those current Maemo mappers etc. the right to continue to use those names. | 17:22 |
| RST38h | roope: Which is the sane thing to do | 17:23 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:23 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ | 17:23 |
| roope | but in order to control the name and the copyright, new apps can't just start to use that name. | 17:23 |
| timeless | roope: right, there were grandfather grants | 17:23 |
| RST38h | roope: they are still controlling name and copyright, even if some application heavily relying on maemo has "maemo" in its name | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | the nice thing about microb is that Facebook works with it | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | opera didn't | 17:24 |
| timeless | which version of flash do you have? | 17:24 |
| RST38h | roope: For example, I call my app "fMSX-Maemo" - this simply signifies that it is a Maemo port | 17:24 |
| roope | Qgil explained this to me once. it made some sense. | 17:24 |
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| jaska | *shrug* never bothered with facepalmbook | 17:24 |
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| timeless | the saturday of fosde one of my hostesses tried to use my n800 to visit facebook | 17:25 |
| timeless | she said it didn't work | 17:25 |
| timeless | it turns out, i had the lame version of flash | 17:25 |
| timeless | so i had to install the 'fix flash version' patch | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | pffft | 17:25 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | there's no flash in facebook, apart from some stupid apps that use it | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | or the movie thing | 17:25 |
| roope | substitue 'Maemo' with some other competitor name. i can't do a ... erm. Windows Music client. or whatever. | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | who cares | 17:25 |
| timeless | myrtti: i wouldn't know | 17:25 |
| timeless | i don't use facebook | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | good for you | 17:26 |
| RST38h | roope: "Windows" is used left and right | 17:26 |
| timeless | but people will ditch a device if facebook doesn't work | 17:26 |
| timeless | that little i know | 17:26 |
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| timeless | roope: they can't use Microsoft or Microsoft Windows | 17:26 |
| roope | rst38H: yes, and they've had problems with the trademark because of that. | 17:26 |
| roope | yes, that was probably a bad example. | 17:26 |
| RST38h | roope: They had problems because it is a dictionary word | 17:26 |
| RST38h | roope: Intel had the same problems with "586" and ended up with "Pentium" | 17:27 |
| timeless | rst38h: be kind to roope | 17:27 |
| roope | it's the Hoover problem. | 17:27 |
| timeless | Windows isn't a word in roope's native language | 17:27 |
| timeless | instead there's Ovi | 17:27 |
| jaska | ikkuna | 17:27 |
| timeless | roope: healthy? | 17:27 |
| jaska | ikkunat/ikkunoita.. well, windows would probably be ikkunasto | 17:27 |
| jaska | (bunch of windows) | 17:27 |
| jaska | ovi is door :) | 17:28 |
| timeless | jaska: Ovi is a dumb name for a product by Nokia | 17:28 |
| timeless | i'm looking for a parallel not a translation | 17:28 |
| jaska | oh, never seen it | 17:28 |
| roope | Hoover ended up as a word for vacuum cleaners. then again, it's not the worst problem in the world to have. | 17:28 |
| timeless | you've never seen ovi.com? | 17:28 |
| jaska | no | 17:29 |
| timeless | Kleenex is the better example | 17:29 |
| timeless | most people don't remember Hoover | 17:29 |
| jaska | generalized trademark | 17:29 |
| timeless | the other examples are Xerox and Ketchup | 17:29 |
| roope | yes, kleenex. | 17:29 |
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| jaska | i didnt know ketchup was one :) | 17:29 |
| timeless | and i certainly never hoover'd | 17:29 |
| timeless | Heinz Ketchup | 17:29 |
| RST38h | roope: for a brand to become a dictionary word is a huge success | 17:29 |
| timeless | rst38h: and yet a failure | 17:30 |
| RST38h | roope: But I do not think Maemo has that much of potential :) | 17:30 |
| roope | rts38h: well yes in a way, but then you can't stop anyone else from marketin their products with that name. | 17:30 |
| RST38h | roope: if your trademark is registered you can | 17:31 |
| RST38h | roope: that is BEFORE it becomes a dictionary word | 17:31 |
| RST38h | roope: See "google" | 17:31 |
| jaska | bluray was named that instead of blueray because of this | 17:31 |
| timeless | lol | 17:31 |
| timeless | > | 17:31 |
| timeless | In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has prohibited the use of the word "ketchup" on product labels unless the product conforms to a set of strict guidelines. All products marketed as ketchup in the United States must be thickened only with tomato solids, and the viscosity of the sauce must be within a very narrow range. The nutrient content of the sauce is also tightly regulated. | 17:31 |
| timeless | < | 17:31 |
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| jaska | well, yankees have weird stuff about calling beer "malt liquer" | 17:32 |
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| jaska | s/liquer/liquor/ | 17:32 |
| infobot | jaska meant: well, yankees have weird stuff about calling beer "malt liquor" | 17:32 |
| timeless | aww, colored ketchup is no longer for sale | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | green ketchup or? | 17:33 |
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| timeless | green, purple, pink, orange, teal, and blue | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | blue ketchup... *shakes her head* | 17:35 |
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| * timeless thanks English for gendered pronouns | 17:36 | |
| Stskeeps | they served blue rice for us at the introductionary trip in the beginning of my studies, heh | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | that was terrifying | 17:36 |
| jaska | bah, i often end up calling women him/he :) | 17:36 |
| timeless | bluechips rock | 17:36 |
| jaska | and typically people get referred as it in finnish anyway | 17:37 |
| timeless | yeah, you aren't people | 17:37 |
| timeless | you're just things | 17:37 |
| Myrtti | timeless: "Furthermore, Finno-Ugric languages lack grammatical gender and thus use one pronoun for both he and she; for example, hän in Finnish, tämä in Votic, tema in Estonian, ő in Hungarian." | 17:37 |
| derf | jaska: That's because there's legal limits on the alcoholic content of "beer" in many states. | 17:38 |
| Myrtti | ♥ Finnish language | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if language reflects mindset too | 17:38 |
| timeless | myrtti: i've spent a year studying finnish here | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | as in, in .dk we dont really see | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, she needs to update to the latest release. . . . | 17:38 |
| timeless | i don't need the lecture | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | 'it' as something with feelings :P | 17:38 |
| jaska | third person for people often ends up as 'it' | 17:38 |
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| zeenix | timeless: you do :) | 17:39 |
| * Myrtti hides | 17:39 | |
| roope | he/she feels a bit sexist, for a Finn. | 17:39 |
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| Myrtti | timeless: sorry, I haven't been following your lifes story | 17:39 |
| timeless | gan: where's that from | 17:39 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ <- i'm somewhere there | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, the flash fix shipped in 36-5 onward | 17:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly if he will be laughed out of the building if he brings his mertop as only thing for a smallish lan party next weekend as his laptop is in repair shop. | 17:40 | |
| timeless | gan: my device | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, then it's time to upgrade. | 17:41 |
| timeless | gan: hey | 17:41 |
| timeless | friday before fosdem i upgraded my n810 proto to the last week | 17:41 |
| timeless | it was running a pre shipping os | 17:42 |
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| jaska | 36-5 o.O | 17:43 |
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| timeless | what was the release before 36-5? :) | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30-2 | 17:44 |
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| jaska | i think mines uuh, 23-14? | 17:44 |
| timeless | jaska: wrong version series | 17:45 |
| jaska | ah :) sorry | 17:45 |
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| timeless | according to this there was a 3.2 (4.2007.26-8) | 17:45 |
| timeless | my device is from there | 17:45 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is talking 2008 | 17:45 | |
| timeless | oh, well | 17:45 |
| timeless | fine. i'm in a different version series | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska, time to upgrade. | 17:46 |
| timeless | so none of your numbers mean anything to me :) | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're 3 versions behind. | 17:46 |
| timeless | 3? | 17:46 |
| jaska | havent checked.. itll probably end up borking my terminal | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 23-14, 30-2, 36-5, 47-3 | 17:46 |
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| timeless | wait, which you | 17:47 |
| timeless | i'm at least 4 versions behind :) | 17:47 |
| jaska | me i guess?:) | 17:47 |
| * timeless guesses so | 17:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska | 17:47 |
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| timeless | jaska: control panel>about product | 17:47 |
| timeless | gan: got time to try another 0.1.2pre? | 17:47 |
| jaska | 30-2, 23-14 was just in the hostname (confusing :) | 17:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaska, yeah, hostname fails at updating. :\ | 17:49 |
| johnx | on maemo, hostname fails | 17:49 |
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| timeless | yeah yeah | 17:49 |
| jaska | so it would seem :) | 17:49 |
| timeless | which reminds me | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, probably, but I'm waiting for the Advil to kick in on this headache, so I'm not much use for staring at strings. | 17:49 |
| jaska | guess i need to go rummage for changelogs | 17:49 |
| timeless | my Diablo-Mer is missing Bluetooth | 17:49 |
| johnx | timeless, blueman or gnome bluetooth applet | 17:50 |
| johnx | your choice | 17:50 |
| jaska | so i know whatll bork/unbork | 17:50 |
| timeless | johnx: i was hoping to install the diablo connection manager | 17:50 |
| timeless | i need to test strings | 17:50 |
| * Myrtti needs a break | 17:50 | |
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| johnx | timeless, you're really a masochist, huh? | 17:50 |
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| timeless | johnx: i have virtually everything installed | 17:50 |
| timeless | i posted a picture | 17:50 |
| * johnx shakes his head sadly | 17:51 | |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mer-lcars.png | 17:51 |
| timeless | is a 'before' | 17:51 |
| * timeless wonders where after is | 17:51 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: or just as insane as you and me.. | 17:51 |
| johnx | yeah, suppose so :) | 17:52 |
| johnx | closed source stuff just bugs me though :/ | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | linear algebra bugs me atm | 17:52 |
| johnx | actually my current most hated list is: xfbdev and tslib not playing nice | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | we got Fn working on n810 btw | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | had to use Xmodmap though | 17:53 |
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| jaska | hmm, no vte/xterm changes, oughta work then | 17:54 |
| johnx | ah, very nice | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | jaska: hmm, curious, what did you change and why? | 17:54 |
| johnx | I'm getting *nothing* out of tslib right now :/ | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: is synaptics uninstalled? | 17:54 |
| jaska | think i removed the borders (qwerty12s fixes) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. if it is an xorg server | 17:55 |
| johnx | ah, I'm only having problems with tslib in xfbdev | 17:55 |
| johnx | xfbdev is a kdrive server like xomap | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | jaska, jott's fix :). It's the maemo vte svn now | 17:55 |
| jaska | ahh, ook :) | 17:55 |
| jaska | sorry, been a while and the box that runs the sdk has been reinstalled | 17:56 |
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| johnx | hey Omegamoon :) | 17:56 |
| Omegamoon | johnx: good afternoon | 17:56 |
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| jaska | oh well, guess i'll have to lose the uptime, been using it as a terminal when im not near a laptop/desktop mostly | 17:58 |
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| johnx | Omegamoon, almost happy with my package. just tracking down an issue with tslib. what version of xfbdev are you using in zubuntu right now? | 18:00 |
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| jaska | ah, better check that i have the keyboard layouts backed up too | 18:01 |
| jaska | 112d 1h :) | 18:01 |
| Omegamoon | johnx: good question, one moment | 18:01 |
| jaska | otherwise ok.. the keyboard backlight just lags when going on.. and suddenly turns off | 18:01 |
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| Omegamoon | johnx: xfbdev 1.3.0.0-r21 | 18:05 |
| johnx | huh | 18:05 |
| johnx | same here | 18:05 |
| johnx | having issues with making tslib work in xfbdev | 18:05 |
| johnx | other than that it seems to be ok | 18:05 |
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| udovdh | hello | 18:10 |
| udovdh | one simple question | 18:10 |
| udovdh | how can I enable root without reflashing with no wifi or bt present? | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Can you transfer files by usb or wifi? | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | s/wifi/sd/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Can you transfer files by usb or sd? | 18:11 |
| udovdh | no wifi | 18:11 |
| udovdh | usb networking is waht I want to enable | 18:11 |
| udovdh | but I need to be root for that? | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | I'm talking about file transfer | 18:11 |
| udovdh | what do i need for file transfer | 18:11 |
| udovdh | ? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | A usb cable and a sd card. | 18:12 |
| udovdh | flashing worked OK via USB | 18:12 |
| udovdh | no miniSD card here | 18:12 |
| udovdh | just normal SD :-( | 18:12 |
| johnx | ah, an n810? | 18:12 |
| johnx | then you're set :) | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Is this N810? | 18:12 |
| udovdh | n810 yes | 18:12 |
| udovdh | when I have usb networkign as on my H2210 ipaq | 18:12 |
| udovdh | I cna do ssh etc | 18:12 |
| udovdh | and work from there | 18:12 |
| johnx | attach your n810 to your PC with the usb cable | 18:13 |
| johnx | and drop this file onto it: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.1/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Transfer http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb to your N810 and install from the application manager | 18:13 |
| johnx | :) | 18:13 |
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| udovdh | ok... | 18:14 |
| udovdh | will try that | 18:14 |
| udovdh | thanks | 18:14 |
| johnx | after that's installed just type 'root' or 'sudo gainroot' in a terminal for root access | 18:14 |
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| udovdh | ok file transferred | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | so use the application manager to install | 18:16 |
| udovdh | yes... | 18:16 |
| udovdh | hmm must point it to the file... | 18:16 |
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| tank-man | if you can ssh in, just modify the gainroot script to not check for r&d mode | 18:17 |
| tank-man | then just use sudo gainroot | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | That's basically what rootsh does... | 18:17 |
| udovdh | found the menu | 18:18 |
| udovdh | ah | 18:18 |
| udovdh | success! | 18:18 |
| udovdh | thanks! | 18:18 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: thanks for picking up that maemo-dev email, I'd hoped you would :) | 18:24 |
| jeremiah | Sure thing Jaffa! | 18:24 |
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| jeremiah | Seems like a perfect opportunity to jump in. :) | 18:25 |
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| Jaffa | heh | 18:26 |
| udovdh | ok installed usb otg plugin | 18:27 |
| udovdh | set usb for ethernet | 18:28 |
| udovdh | (right?) | 18:28 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders why he didn't just take a half year of philosophy or something instead of this crap linear algebra.. | 18:28 | |
| * qwerty12 isn't planning on doing maths in college :) | 18:29 | |
| johnx | udovdh, sounds right to me | 18:29 |
| johnx | but I don't use usb networking | 18:29 |
| udovdh | hmm | 18:29 |
| rm_you | johnx: you get a chance to verify ABL-SVN on Mer? | 18:29 |
| udovdh | the device becomes unresponsive when I do that | 18:30 |
| johnx | rm_you, uhm...I totally forgot :) | 18:30 |
| udovdh | taps generate clicks but no action | 18:30 |
| rm_you | johnx: ^_^ | 18:30 |
| udovdh | I have g_etehr networkign working with my pda | 18:30 |
| udovdh | (h2210 ipaq) | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Use the other option, that's if you have a usb to ethernet adapter connected to the N8x0 | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: if you want to do anything in CS you ought to .. | 18:31 |
| udovdh | none present here | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | i hate it but sometimes it is useful | 18:31 |
| rm_you | johnx: any time :) | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I know but after seeing that, I'm still not tempted. I'm just not a maths person, I find english & history more fun :) | 18:31 |
| rm_you | hey, do Mer downloads count towards download count? :P or do you use separate repos? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | seperate repo | 18:32 |
| rm_you | sadness | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | there is a branch for a-b in launchpad i think | 18:32 |
| rm_you | ah, update it to SVN and it should work in Mer | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | well it works already in mer, but had to patch some mini stuff.. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | se | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | c | 18:32 |
| rm_you | it was your patches that fixed that anyway, i think | 18:32 |
| rm_you | they are in SVN now | 18:33 |
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| rm_you | just had timeless filing a bug about it though, which makes me wonder if they didn't make it in there, or if he compiled his own wacky version | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | https://code.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/advanced-backlight | 18:33 |
| rm_you | back in 15 min | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | has the patches the mer version has | 18:34 |
| johnx | aaah...always possible he ended up with the diablo version | 18:34 |
| johnx | that would make a lot of sense | 18:34 |
| rm_you | yeah well, should be pushed to extras soon anyway | 18:35 |
| rm_you | not that the fix matters for Maemo >_> | 18:35 |
| rm_you | but that should keep it in sync | 18:35 |
| johnx | building... | 18:36 |
| rm_you | feel free to send patches upstream :P | 18:36 |
| johnx | did you mer sdk install finish, rm_you? | 18:36 |
| rm_you | yeah, in like 5 minutes | 18:36 |
| rm_you | used it to build and upload the svn version | 18:36 |
| rm_you | gotta shower tho, back in 15 | 18:36 |
| johnx | good deal :) | 18:36 |
| johnx | 'later | 18:36 |
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| udovdh | with the usb-otg plugin | 18:42 |
| udovdh | do I still need to insert g_ether manually? | 18:42 |
| udovdh | or what is the requried procedure to make it work? | 18:42 |
| johnx | I don't think you need to | 18:43 |
| johnx | are you reading the article on the wiki to setup usb networking? | 18:43 |
| udovdh | yes | 18:43 |
| udovdh | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 18:44 |
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| udovdh | it says no otehr config | 18:44 |
| johnx | and your connecting to a windows desktop or a linux desktop? | 18:44 |
| udovdh | but it makes the device go unresponsive except clicks when tapped | 18:44 |
| udovdh | linux | 18:44 |
| udovdh | and that works ok iwth my ipaq | 18:44 |
| udovdh | with... | 18:44 |
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| johnx | you click 'usb network device' right? | 18:45 |
| udovdh | no ethernet | 18:45 |
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| johnx | ah | 18:46 |
| johnx | interesting | 18:46 |
| johnx | clicking usb ethernet crashes hildon-desktop here | 18:46 |
| johnx | neat | 18:46 |
| udovdh | then i connect usb | 18:47 |
| udovdh | and then ifup usb0 says no such device | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | The ethernet option is for a usb to ethernet adapter | 18:47 |
| johnx | if I were you I'd try it manually once | 18:47 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, thanks | 18:47 |
| udovdh | taht helps with the 'hangs' | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | lo sjgadsby | 18:59 |
| sjgadsby | Hello! | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever have any luck with parallels and mer? | 18:59 |
| sjgadsby | I haven't really kept at it. The conversion tool never gave me a raw file. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | alright, lemme see if i still have the raw file in store | 19:00 |
| sjgadsby | I haven't put much time in it though. | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | what formats does parallels take? | 19:01 |
| sjgadsby | Oh, don't go to any trouble on my account, please. I just thought I'd take a look at how Mer is coming along. | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, it is fine.. i need some mental distraction from this linear algebra excersise | 19:02 |
| sjgadsby | Hrm. I think it has its own format, but I found a web page with instructions on how to convert a VMware image to raw and get it working. I just thought I'd give it a try. | 19:02 |
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| sjgadsby | Hrm. Have to run. I'll be back later. | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hf | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | lo VDVsx | 19:08 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yo :) | 19:08 |
| rm_you | johnx: status? | 19:10 |
| udovdh | hmmmm | 19:10 |
| johnx | rm_you, won't build wants omapfb.h | 19:10 |
| johnx | what package is that in? | 19:10 |
| udovdh | I do select usb networking in the usb-otg plugin | 19:10 |
| udovdh | I then connect the n810 | 19:10 |
| rm_you | erm | 19:10 |
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| udovdh | but it is seen as storage on the linux host | 19:10 |
| johnx | udovdh, did g_ether load? | 19:11 |
| udovdh | dont think so | 19:11 |
| udovdh | moduels.dep is not ok | 19:11 |
| udovdh | modules.dep is not ok | 19:11 |
| rm_you | libosso-dev (>= 1), hildon-desktop-dev, hildon-control-panel-dev, x11proto-randr-dev, libxrandr-dev | 19:11 |
| rm_you | one of those? | 19:11 |
| rm_you | prolly? >_> | 19:11 |
| udovdh | only manual intervention helps there | 19:11 |
| johnx | rm_you, nope :) | 19:11 |
| rm_you | <_< | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, kernel-diablo-headers or linux-kernel-headers in diablo | 19:11 |
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| johnx | ah | 19:11 |
| VDVsx | anyone have ideas for GSoC projects ??? :) | 19:11 |
| johnx | installed kernel-diablo-headers but missed linux-kernel-headers | 19:12 |
| udovdh | cannot parse modules.dep it says | 19:12 |
| rm_you | well gotta run, need to get somewhere high up and take a few pictures | 19:12 |
| udovdh | when I try modprobe | 19:12 |
| rm_you | for my photography class <_< | 19:12 |
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| rm_you | only problem is, there aren't any tall buildings in this freaking city | 19:13 |
| johnx | udovdh, correct. use insmod | 19:13 |
| * rm_you runs | 19:13 | |
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| udovdh | only now it sees the n810 | 19:15 |
| udovdh | thanks | 19:15 |
| udovdh | how to automate? | 19:15 |
| udovdh | there is no depmod | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | http://sse2.net/depmod | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: we can probably make up some for Mer but im not sure about Maemo :P | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | (gsoc) | 19:16 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, thanks | 19:17 |
| VDVsx | mer is a project inside maemo, I think | 19:17 |
| udovdh | first manual config | 19:17 |
| udovdh | because no ipv4 assigned | 19:17 |
| udovdh | no pign working yet | 19:17 |
| udovdh | etc | 19:17 |
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| udovdh | ok | 19:18 |
| udovdh | we have ping | 19:18 |
| udovdh | but: | 19:18 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, in 2007 one of the projects are related to the CMS (midgrade??) that maemo use for eg. | 19:18 |
| udovdh | need to do manual insmod | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: midgard | 19:18 |
| udovdh | need to fix depmod | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | or somethng | 19:18 |
| udovdh | no ifconfig automagic on n810 | 19:18 |
| udovdh | etc | 19:19 |
| udovdh | works better on the H2210 ipaq here... | 19:19 |
| udovdh | one modprobe is enough there | 19:19 |
| udovdh | but Ok, we can improve | 19:19 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, the depmod is ok for my os2008? | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | ye | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | s | 19:19 |
| johnx | udovdh, if you find a way to improve things it would be nice if you edited the wiki | 19:19 |
| johnx | looks like it's somewhat out-of-date... | 19:20 |
| udovdh | no standard ssh on the device? | 19:20 |
| udovdh | argh! | 19:20 |
| udovdh | ok I can manage from here | 19:20 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: running another image... started about an hour ago... | 19:20 |
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| udovdh | resolver is same as on my desktop? | 19:23 |
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| johnx | well do you want to use the same DNS server or a different one? | 19:23 |
| udovdh | or rather: where do i set my dns? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | probably resolv.conf | 19:24 |
| udovdh | my own dns please | 19:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, not for maemo... | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | mk | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | sjgadsby: raw image generation works for me, sure you did it on the unpacked vmdk and not the zip? | 19:24 |
| udovdh | Stskeeps, resolv.conf found and changed... | 19:26 |
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| udovdh | hmm | 19:27 |
| udovdh | resolver works | 19:27 |
| udovdh | but not in web browser | 19:27 |
| udovdh | any ideas? | 19:27 |
| johnx | did you already make the DUMMY connection? | 19:28 |
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| udovdh | ah... probably not... | 19:31 |
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| udovdh | but still, that is strange | 19:33 |
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| udovdh | kernel knows about g_ether | 19:33 |
| udovdh | kernel even works with g_ether | 19:33 |
| udovdh | shell has working ip available | 19:33 |
| udovdh | but the browser insists on popping up that list of wifi access points etc | 19:33 |
| udovdh | who designed that? | 19:34 |
| johnx | yup | 19:34 |
| johnx | Nokia | 19:34 |
| udovdh | they lack a certain perspective I guess | 19:34 |
| udovdh | but I will type that dummy thing again | 19:34 |
| johnx | yeah, it's a very consumer oriented device | 19:34 |
| udovdh | grr | 19:34 |
| johnx | basically the browser relies on information from the connection manager | 19:34 |
| johnx | and the connection manager doesn't know about your other connection until you make it a "DUMMY" connection | 19:35 |
| udovdh | the gconf line doesn't give me a new dummy connection | 19:38 |
| udovdh | but runs silently (ok) | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install libicd-network-dummy | 19:39 |
| johnx | did you read the note about the bug? | 19:39 |
| udovdh | me? no? | 19:40 |
| udovdh | I find the DEFAULT connection | 19:40 |
| udovdh | when I dig deeper in the menus | 19:40 |
| udovdh | but it dosn't appear in the list with the wifi points | 19:40 |
| udovdh | that is a bug? | 19:40 |
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| udovdh | ok will try the apt-get | 19:40 |
| Woolly-work | any PyGTK geniuses in here | 19:41 |
| udovdh | E: couldn't find package libicd-network-dummy | 19:42 |
| udovdh | it is supposed to fetch that over the network, right? | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | Is this diablo? | 19:42 |
| udovdh | lates os2008 | 19:42 |
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| udovdh | diablo, yes | 19:43 |
| johnx | did you enable the 'extras' repository? | 19:43 |
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| johnx | or hmm...is it even in extras | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | udovdh, http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/libi/libicd-network-dummy/libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb | 19:43 |
| johnx | one sec | 19:43 |
| udovdh | qwerty12, thanks | 19:43 |
| johnx | ah, nevermind. just listen to qwerty12 :) | 19:43 |
| udovdh | but then I need to disconnect my network | 19:44 |
| udovdh | to make dragging it onto the n810 storage work again... | 19:44 |
| udovdh | grr... | 19:44 |
| jeremiah | ls | 19:44 |
| jeremiah | Ooops! What a n00b | 19:44 |
| jeremiah | :) | 19:45 |
| udovdh | I am on n810 yes | 19:45 |
| udovdh | but not so on linux in general | 19:45 |
| johnx | udovdh, I don't think he was talking about you :) | 19:45 |
| jeremiah | udovdh: I was talking about myself, not you! | 19:45 |
| jeremiah | :) | 19:45 |
| Woolly-work | lulz | 19:45 |
| jeremiah | ^^ I did a `ls` in the chat window =) | 19:45 |
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| udovdh | ok, no problem | 19:46 |
| jeremiah | ergo /me is n00b | 19:46 |
| udovdh | it happens | 19:46 |
| udovdh | :-) | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | /exec ls :P | 19:46 |
| udovdh | system ("ls"); | 19:46 |
| jeremiah | ^^ perl! | 19:46 |
| jeremiah | makes me happy | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | It's C iirc | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | or could be same in perl, dunno :) | 19:47 |
| jeremiah | I think they both have the same semantics. | 19:47 |
| thopiekar | could someone tell me where the "Public SSH keys" section of my garage account maintenance page is? | 19:47 |
| Woolly-work | os.system("ls") | 19:47 |
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| thopiekar | * please :| | 19:49 |
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| Jaffa | ANNOUNCE: For those of you who haven't seen http://maemo.org/news/ - jeremiah is our new debmaster | 19:49 |
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| crashanddie | Congrats jeremiah | 19:50 |
| jeremiah | Hello! | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, congrats jeremiah :) | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | hi | 19:50 |
| jeremiah | Thank you. :) | 19:50 |
| * johnx claps | 19:50 | |
| jeremiah | I can see I made an impression with my newbie typing skills. :P | 19:50 |
| jeremiah | Oh well, now everyone knows. :) | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: though remember, no days off, we don't accept doctor's notes, and you can't go paternity breaks. In other words, welcome to eternity. | 19:51 |
| jeremiah | crashanddie: Heh, I live in Sweden, we get all of that stuff by law! | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | s/go/on/ | 19:51 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: jeremiah: though remember, no days off, we don't accept doctor's notes, and you can't on paternity breaks. In other words, welcome to eternity. | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: not here you don't :P | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, so, you're maemo's human equivalent of lintian? :) | 19:51 |
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| crashanddie | jeremiah: whereabout in Sweden? | 19:52 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: heh, nothing can replace lintian :) | 19:52 |
| jeremiah | crashanddie: Gothenburg, (West coast) | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, I've never used it, I'm sure I've put out dodgy packages :) | 19:52 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: But I know the maintainer, Russ Alberry. | 19:52 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: They need people on the policy mailing list if you want to help out . . . | 19:53 |
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| jeremiah | [lintian is a policy enforcement tool] | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | I know where Goteburg is :) | 19:53 |
| jeremiah | crashanddie: You're in .nl? | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | I am not. | 19:53 |
| jeremiah | ah. :) | 19:54 |
| jeremiah | Where are you? | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | London, ex-french, ex-belgian. | 19:54 |
| jeremiah | Vive la Roast Beef! | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: qwerty12's a brit, lcuk is a brit... well, scrap that, he's from the north, somewhere anyway | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, I'm from the north too, just living in london :P | 19:55 |
| jeremiah | I'll feel right at home then - I am American. Two countrys separated by a common language. :) | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: the country is a bit messed up, especially in times of war. First we'll bomb you, then we'll send you food. That's because the UK is schyzophrenic. In other words, no jokes about roast beef. Don't mess with a nation that needs medication. | 19:56 |
| thopiekar | jeremiad: first job from me to you... I've repacked some packages from ubuntu (x86) to maemo(armel).. It would be very kind from you to check whether the deb's are well for uploadin to extras... here is a archive with all packages... http://rapidshare.com/files/197282256/streamripper_armel_all.tar.gz | 19:56 |
| jeremiah | s/countrys/countries/ | 19:56 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: I'll feel right at home then - I am American. Two countries separated by a common language. :) | 19:56 |
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| jeremiah | thopiekar: Okay, no point waiting around right? | 19:57 |
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| thopiekar | yes | 19:57 |
| jeremiah | I don't really start until Monday, so I can't do any _real_ work. | 19:57 |
| jeremiah | But I am happy to look at them. | 19:57 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: You pulled them from the Ubuntu repos and not the debian repos? | 19:57 |
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| thopiekar | yes from the ubuntu repos because it is for me the easiest way, while using ubuntu... :) (apt-get source xy ) | 19:58 |
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| jeremiah | thopiekar: Have you built on the packages on the armel platform? | 19:59 |
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| thopiekar | yes I have with scratchbox1 with maemo.4.1... | 19:59 |
| udovdh | I am an apt-get newbie, use rpm normally | 19:59 |
| udovdh | how do i make it install a local file? | 19:59 |
| udovdh | on the ipaq I can `ipkg install blabla` | 20:00 |
| Woolly-work | dpkg -i | 20:00 |
| udovdh | ah | 20:00 |
| thopiekar | dpkg -i | 20:00 |
| udovdh | thanks | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | udovdh: dpkg -i, but that will break your system in the long run | 20:00 |
| thopiekar | :) | 20:00 |
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| jeremiah | Yes, apt-get is better than dpkg. | 20:00 |
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| jeremiah | And aptitude is better than apt-get, but I understand it is not on the maemo platform. | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: congrats btw, guessed it a bit before the announcement :P | 20:01 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Thank you! | 20:01 |
| jeremiah | My job is really to work for all of you, getting your software into Maemo. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: you would probably throw a raging fit over some of the not so kosher stuff in mer definately, if you ever looked :> | 20:02 |
| jeremiah | I think it is an amazing platform and am thrilled it runs debian. | 20:02 |
| ana` | jeremiah: apt-get is a frotend to dpkg, it uses dpkg | 20:02 |
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| crashanddie | jeremiah: oh, well in that case, I have a few programs that won't compile, what's your email address, you fix'em and upload them, cheers | 20:02 |
| ana` | (As well aptitude) | 20:03 |
| jeremiah | ana`: True, but it does some more sane things under the hood. :) | 20:03 |
| Macer | ugh.. if i didn't need this damn windows install to use this esx infrastructure client i would put linux on my shuttle | 20:03 |
| jeremiah | There are different tools, dpkg is sort of a layer between dselect and apt. | 20:03 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: so how much time does it take checking my packages.. I've made already a request on https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php.. | 20:03 |
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| crashanddie | ana`: true, but don't forget apt-get actually has files of its own. IIRC, it actually has a list of installed packages? So if you dpkg -i, it won't get upgraded or something. | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | ana`: when you use apt-get upgrade | 20:03 |
| Macer | i really want a linux box.. i think i am going to have to get one of these artigo boxes just for that purpose | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, dpkg keeps the list | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | (/var/lib/dpkg/info) | 20:04 |
| jeremiah | thopiekar: Well, as I said, I am not currently under contract so I cannot perform any actual "work", but I am happy to look at your packages. | 20:04 |
| ana` | crashanddie: no, that's aptitude :) | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | I know there's something funky going on somewhere, can't remember at what bit | 20:04 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah: ok thanks | 20:04 |
| jeremiah | Actually, both aptitude and apt-get do different things than dpkg. | 20:05 |
| jeremiah | I will dip into my book "The Debian System" by Martin Krafft . . . | 20:05 |
| jeremiah | get some juicy quotes. :) | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | can you explain why on earth Provides: doesn't have versions while you're looking? ;) | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | I'm starting to be afraid... "dipping", "juices"... What kind of books does this Martin Krafft write? | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Hmm, sounds interesting, will have to check that out. | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | The sort of books, which you crashanddie, seem to enjoy reading :P | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | crashanddie: He is part of the "German cabal" if that makes any difference. :) | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | meaning you cannot do Provides: libgtk2.0-0 and then another package doing Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= somever) :P | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | bloody irritating.. you have to resort to transitional packages | 20:07 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12: if you don't enjoy reading those kind of books, I'm really starting to be worried here | 20:07 |
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| wnd | iirc the list of installed (and uninstalled) packages is at /var/lib/dpkg/status. .../info/ contains {pre,post}{inst,rm}-scripts and list of installed files for each package. | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, haha | 20:07 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time to refuel the cancer in my lungs, ttyiab | 20:08 |
| jeremiah | apt is better because it does "automatice dependency resolution" | 20:09 |
| jeremiah | which is quite handy. | 20:09 |
| jeremiah | So if I am installing a python egg that uses gzip | 20:09 |
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| jeremiah | apt will install the dependencies too, like gzip, etc. | 20:10 |
| jeremiah | This means you avoid "dependency hell" which was a lot of fun back in the day | 20:10 |
| jeremiah | with linux. | 20:10 |
| * qwerty12 usually cheats with dpkg -i <deb> ; apt-get -f install :) | 20:10 | |
| jeremiah | apt-get -f install will do it for you everytime! :) | 20:11 |
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| udovdh | hmmm | 20:14 |
| udovdh | I have the libicd | 20:14 |
| udovdh | I did the gconf stuff from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306#c31 | 20:14 |
| jeremiah | wnd: Yes, the Packages file is what apt looks at, but it downloads it when you call apt-get update | 20:14 |
| udovdh | but the connections listing that pops up doesn't show the dummy network | 20:14 |
| hahlo | is deb better package than rpm? | 20:14 |
| udovdh | but the dummy network is visible deeper in the menus though | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | hahlo: oh boy.. that could start a huge flamewar :> | 20:14 |
| jeremiah | hahlo: Hard to say. But I am biased so I will say yes. :) | 20:14 |
| hahlo | :) | 20:15 |
| jeremiah | hahlo: rpm (rpm package manager) did not have dependency checking. | 20:15 |
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| udovdh | yum is your friend | 20:15 |
| jeremiah | hahlo: Once apt-get started to do that, the rpm folks thought we need that too. | 20:15 |
| udovdh | but I am not here for that | 20:15 |
| jeremiah | So they created yum (thanks udovdh) | 20:15 |
| jeremiah | yum checks dependencies like apt-get and aptitude | 20:15 |
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| jeremiah | You can translate between the two formats with a tool called alien | 20:16 |
| jeremiah | And there is work towards a "universal" package format | 20:16 |
| jeremiah | But a universal format is a bit of a ways away. | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | deb ftw, but I do hate CDBS with a vengeance :) | 20:16 |
| jeremiah | I agree, CDBS is ugly. | 20:17 |
| jeremiah | I never use it. | 20:17 |
| timeless | qwerty: https://www.ohloh.net/p/mer | 20:17 |
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| * thopiekar is now needing some one, who is familar with gettext... he tried pygettext2.5 on ubuntu to make a pot file but it doesn't work... | 20:17 | |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, yep :). When grabbing debian packages from upstream, I've actually ran dh_make and remade the rules file in the "standard" format because I really couldn't get to grips with CDBS :) | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, cool :) | 20:18 |
| udovdh | anybody knows why the connection manager still doesn't show my dummy connection? | 20:18 |
| thopiekar | s/some one/someone | 20:18 |
| udovdh | I did install the libicd | 20:18 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: I think that is much better format frankly. :) | 20:18 |
| udovdh | and the gconftool lines from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306#c31 | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, 0 users, eh? :) | 20:18 |
| timeless | be the first ;-) | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, agreed :D | 20:18 |
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| jeremiah | qwerty12: Did you set up the repo's and do some debianizing? | 20:21 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: Someone named CIro is giving you some kudos on the community's news page. | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, I've never set up a repo, but I do debianize stuff :) | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | ah, yep, I packaged his clock :) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12's the local wiz kid, he has ported a hell lot of stuff :P | 20:22 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: Awesome. Great to have you around! | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: btw, it is definate now that it would be good to have some kind of general purpose event handler daemon.. for instance, on the n810, turning on keyboard backlight when keyboard slides out, etc | 20:22 |
| jeremiah | Might have to pick your brain! :) | 20:22 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, for mer ? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: so what will your job description be, assisting the maemo.org community with repository-packaging-etc questions? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: i am just really wondering how it could be done sanely :P | 20:24 |
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| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yes, I think that is pretty close to it. | 20:25 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, the nokia stuff is all closed ? | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | I would like to look at some automated package building and testing as well. | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | We'll see how it goes. | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: well ke-recv isn't but it is very tablet specific | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, does a version of 1:1.34 take priority over 1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2? :) | 20:25 |
| jeremiah | But I am going to ty to make myself available to people who want to get their software on the the platform. | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: but regarding language.. did you happen to ever see stuff like mIRCscript? | 20:26 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12: Why don't you ask me the easy questions first? :P | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | it has stuff like on EVENT:parameters etc | 20:26 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/n97_vid_outingfeb122009.jpg | 20:26 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 20:26 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, nop | 20:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, is that "in the wild" as they say? | 20:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nokia design labs | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | jeremiah, hehe :D | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I guess they would have to say "in the lair" | 20:27 |
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| johnx | RST38h, ok, then what exactly am I looking at? :P | 20:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: two new handsets, apparently running s60e5 but you never know | 20:28 |
| johnx | errr...that's just two shots of the n97, right? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | no | 20:28 |
| RST38h | it is not an n97 | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the bottom of the handset reminds me a bit of 770.. | 20:29 |
| RST38h | both look different | 20:29 |
| johnx | ah,...reading the article | 20:29 |
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| johnx | ouch. that interface isn't exactly looking too smooth... | 20:30 |
| RST38h | S60 seldom looks smooth | 20:31 |
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| johnx | I'll take solid and predictable over flashy and random-looking | 20:31 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Do you think it is running Maemo? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | is that a stylus on the side | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | on the left pic | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: I would say chances are low | 20:32 |
| RST38h | it is an n-series lab | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well there has been a large amount of n-series alignment lately in the source trees | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | they even talk to pc suite now | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you remember my weirdhildon screenshot? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png | 20:35 |
| johnx | ah | 20:35 |
| johnx | setting your panel to be on the top, right? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and one on bottom | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | which was latent in h-d | 20:35 |
| johnx | barely latent | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | latent .. as in, just laying there | 20:36 |
| johnx | there is (was?) a trick you could do if you enabled rotation support | 20:36 |
| johnx | you could just drag the left panel to the ... bottom I think? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | what strikes me about the left pic is that the interface doesnt look like a n97 does, with the two menu buttons in the bottom | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | this has a search bar instead | 20:36 |
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| johnx | aaaah :) I see what you mean | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Sts: What kind of alignment? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like its meant to be used as an tablet | 20:38 |
| johnx | I'd have to watch that video of the n97 interface again though | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: as in, tethering through PC suite, synchronization, etc | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | it would pass for a N-series device in my mind | 20:38 |
| johnx | those widgets are definitely the 'n97' widgets though... | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: they wanted to align the UI looks though | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | which makes sense | 20:39 |
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| johnx | and if they made cross-platform html based widgets I wouldn't be too surprised | 20:39 |
| udovdh | another q: | 20:40 |
| johnx | actually...a search bar that takes over the bottom statusbar sometimes reminds me of a wazd mockup | 20:40 |
| udovdh | is it normal for the module autoloading not to work on os2008? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | is that a RSS reader on the right? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | udovdh: yes | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Sts: Oh, the pc suite cra has been going for a while | 20:40 |
| udovdh | e.g. the different location under /mnt/initfs | 20:40 |
| udovdh | and not /lib/modules | 20:40 |
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| udovdh | if so: what is the way to fix it | 20:40 |
| udovdh | besides generating a fresh modules.dep | 20:40 |
| johnx | chroot /mnt/initfs /bin/sh | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Sts: but I think it is pc suite guys' initiative | 20:41 |
| udovdh | johnx, I wnat easy autloading of modules | 20:41 |
| udovdh | not an extra commandline I have to type | 20:41 |
| johnx | then you can run modprove once you chroot | 20:41 |
| udovdh | thanks for the tip | 20:41 |
| johnx | or you can generate a fresh modules.dep like you said | 20:41 |
| udovdh | but how do I make that permanent? | 20:41 |
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| udovdh | I did that with depmod -b /mnt/initfs | 20:41 |
| udovdh | but modprobe looks in /lib/modules | 20:41 |
| johnx | then I would say make a symlink | 20:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i ln -s the initfs modules to my /lib/modules/`uname -r` | 20:42 |
| udovdh | ok was wondering about that | 20:43 |
| udovdh | but will do that now | 20:43 |
| udovdh | thanks | 20:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that clock at the top left looks a lot like an unmodified h-d desktop clock applet :) | 20:43 |
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| johnx | and I'm about 80% sure I can see the folding stand | 20:44 |
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| johnx | RST38h, very good catch :) | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: its either a stylus or a folding stand, yes | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | i think we might just be lookin at a tablet | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | but uhm, where is the keyboard? :P | 20:46 |
| johnx | I'm thinking the screen slides up...maybe? | 20:47 |
| johnx | that would make it awfully thin though... | 20:47 |
| RST38h | yea | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | the status screen at the screenshot is definitely S60 | 20:47 |
| RST38h | you can see it by the clock | 20:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's advertising asphalt 3 - a s60 game | 20:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | & java I guess | 20:48 |
| udovdh | ok, nodprobe works | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: damnit :P | 20:48 |
| udovdh | now that nice `connections manager` issue.. | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Citing privacy concerns, the Cambridge, Mass. City Council has voted 9-0 to remove security cameras scattered throughout the city. 'Because of the slow erosion of our civil liberties since 9/11, it is important to raise questions regarding these cameras,' said Marjorie Decker, a Cambridge city councilor. | 20:49 |
| RST38h | "WCBVTV is running the story under the headline 'City's Move To Nix Security Cams May Cost Thousands.'" | 20:49 |
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| udovdh | in connectivity settings -> connections I DO see my dummy network | 20:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I do still get the diablo kernel modules installed | 20:50 |
| * RST38h is kinda tired to do the "hehe" act at all these news | 20:50 | |
| udovdh | but when I start the broswer the dummy network is not shown | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: damnit, ok | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and kernel-diablo-modules is not in your foundations/mer | 20:51 |
| johnx | actually I'd be pretty cranky if they gave us USB port on the bottom of the device...ick. and qwerty12_N800, I'm still really impressed you matched 30 pixels to a game advertisement... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: they did that with 770 though? | 20:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: I would prefer *all* ports opening up at one of the ends | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, like n800 does it | 20:53 |
| RST38h | In a cluster, so that I can hang the device by its wires =) | 20:53 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, they did and it looked like a huge PITA | 20:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, not recommended with Nokia's wimpy charging port | 20:54 |
| RST38h | The problem is that these busybodies will get "creative" again and scatter ports all over the place | 20:54 |
| johnx | now something beefy like the zaurus or psp charging port... | 20:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nokia fixed the wimpiness starting with 5800 | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: then again, docking station.. | 20:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: I first thought I have got a wrong power adapter but no, it was the fix | 20:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, mini-usb? micro-usb? | 20:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: Same thin jack but with a thick plastic collar at the base | 20:55 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, i dunno...that kind ruins the tablet 'stand-alone' nature | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: true | 20:55 |
| johnx | being able to set it on a table and play music is nice | 20:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: the collar plugs into the device with some tension and holds the jack there | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: I played that game a *lot* :) | 20:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: correct, no diablo in foundations/mer | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: someone should really design a docking station.. i mean, with kickstand out and sliding it in from the side.. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | given a bit of plastic and a cable.. | 20:56 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, what would you use it for? | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | ~lart latest sb2 for inserting user-input scripts into Ubuntu startup | 20:56 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of latest sb2's jugular vein for inserting user-input scripts into Ubuntu startup | 20:56 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: plug in to touchscreen at home? dunno :P | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: sb2 went insane? | 20:56 |
| timeless | ok | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: i thought sb2 was supposed -not- to fuck around with the sys | 20:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, I have to admit I think the apple magnetic macbook charger is nicest of all (when it's not catching on fire) | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: A little bit - now every time I boot Linux, it asks whether I want to modify mmap settings | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: .. | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: remind me not to install sb2 | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: the script is in /etc/rc* | 20:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: it is easily fixable but reminds me of Intel | 20:57 |
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| johnx | gah...really wish Nokia would stop putting things into init scripts that don't belong... | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: at least it seems like fremantle is saning up a bit | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | hildon theme stuff in hildon-theme-config, and /etc/hildon stuff | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:58 |
| johnx | on the one hand it would have been neat to see something like mer a long time ago...on the other hand maybe someone tried it and already went quietly insane | 20:59 |
| johnx | you're right that this stuff *has* become much more linux-like | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: Also, it now requires qemu to compile stuff | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: huh, no cross compiler? | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: I *think* I have told it to use host tools but it does not like that | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: Now, mostly dpkg and other assorted crap | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i have a small blog post in waiting which has topics on why some things in mer are as they are.. along with the argument for 'Scratchbox is an accelerator, not what determines the target platform' | 21:01 |
| RST38h | On the bright side, TI83 is now operational | 21:01 |
| johnx | woo! | 21:02 |
| johnx | includes 83+ right? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: couldnt you have done this a year ago when i could have spared 900 bloody danish kronor.. | 21:02 |
| johnx | I can finally finish my abandoned 'the matrix' screensaver written in tibasic! woo! | 21:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, heh...and it would have been nice if you got the itch to work on debuntu-for-tablets *last* january :P | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | even though i would have a hard time convincing exam people my tablet is not 1) a phone 2) a communicating device | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe.. i had L4 microkernel itch before that | 21:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: Still no 83+ | 21:04 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I would have helped if you'd convinced me :) | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: You would rob TI of $50? | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | Sts: This is cruel. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i actually do have a ti83 already but the screen is dead | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | so now i have a ti83 and a ti84 plus. | 21:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, nope. his extremely advanced omap2 calculator is just missing some firmware :> | 21:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: Or, rather, TI83+ code is in but it hangs | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | so i can use your emulators with good conscience :P | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | TI84+ should be a no brainer as soon as TI83+ works | 21:05 |
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| Shadow_M | is there a way to have vncviewer use socks proxy | 21:06 |
| johnx | RST38h, so I assume they run at 100% native speed no problem? | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | johnx: they can run faster | 21:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: these calcs are all based on 6MHz Z80 with a really simple display | 21:07 |
| johnx | yeah, but I tend to assume that emulating something has to be more complicated than I think it is :) | 21:07 |
| RST38h | later models overclocked it to 15Mhz but I have not got to these yet | 21:07 |
| RST38h | these are really simple machines | 21:08 |
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| udovdh | euhmm | 21:10 |
| udovdh | is it normal to set a unix password for the user? | 21:10 |
| udovdh | on the n810? | 21:10 |
| udovdh | or will that break something? | 21:10 |
| johnx | i have one set. nothing b0rken here :) | 21:11 |
| Shadow_M | johnx, do you know how to make vnc viewer to use a proxy | 21:11 |
| udovdh | johnx, thanks | 21:12 |
| johnx | Shadow_M, I have not used vnc viewer or a proxy server on any device in the last year or so :) | 21:12 |
| Shadow_M | lol ah well then | 21:12 |
| johnx | and by device I mean any general purpose computer I use :) | 21:13 |
| r2d2rogers | what's the depmods comment? (confident I'm messing something up there) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm? | 21:13 |
| r2d2rogers | I just linked in some kernel modules to test | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | depmod -a kernelversion | 21:13 |
| r2d2rogers | how do I make it aware they... thanks <G> | 21:13 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I was going to try the last module you sent me for 770, have you had a chance to try anything new there? | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | no sorry, my week has been hindered heavily by my laptop having to get sent in for repairs | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i am currently chatting to you live from my craptacular mertop. (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mertop.jpg), so :P | 21:19 |
| Shadow_M | anyone vncviewer with proxy | 21:19 |
| r2d2rogers | gun | 21:20 |
| r2d2rogers | err fun... | 21:20 |
| r2d2rogers | the last time I tried to look at the pic I got a 404, worked this time | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | one thing you can say.. hildon interface is gentle on the eyes | 21:20 |
| AStorm | hmm, some fun new spam | 21:21 |
| AStorm | "NOKIA ALERT" :P | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | TI83+ said "Defragmenting..." | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | dear god | 21:23 |
| RST38h | is it bad? | 21:23 |
| timeless | heh | 21:24 |
| timeless | you never want to show that | 21:24 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, soooo...why don't you just install ubuntu on that laptop? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: mostly one, eating my own dogfood and two, the cds do not boot on the processors cos of missing CMOV.. i think | 21:26 |
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| johnx | huh | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | via c3 | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | it misses superpages and cmov instruction | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | so you need linux-386 | 21:27 |
| johnx | (that's 'huh' to the latter, not the former of course) | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | there is an ubuntu bug for it | 21:27 |
| johnx | aaah...well, that sounds like a very special device | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i got mer on it through a debian 4.0 install cd and rescue mode.. | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | and voodoo, obviously | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, the thought of installing lxde has come up once or twice | 21:29 |
| AStorm | haha | 21:29 |
| AStorm | nice device | 21:29 |
| AStorm | I like it already | 21:29 |
| AStorm | obsolete technology all the waya | 21:29 |
| AStorm | *way | 21:29 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: has the method for getting the rescue menu changed? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no, should be the same | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | I seem to have lost it then | 21:30 |
| Shadow_M2 | when doing ssh -X i am getting errors such as Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: verify you have a evkey package | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | will check again next boot | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | if not, prod me, cos that means i forgot to add it | 21:30 |
| r2d2rogers | will do | 21:30 |
| Shadow_M2 | and X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 | 21:31 |
| Shadow_M2 | anyone have an idea | 21:31 |
| timeless | did you use su? | 21:31 |
| timeless | or was that an ssh -x | 21:31 |
| timeless | wait, 'No xauth data'? | 21:32 |
| timeless | where did you start from? | 21:32 |
| timeless | typically i start by ssh'ing to my tablet | 21:32 |
| timeless | exporting DISPLAY=:0 | 21:32 |
| timeless | then ssh -X'ing from the tablet somewhere else | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Diablo doesn't have xauth installled by default | 21:32 |
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| timeless | oh, heh | 21:33 |
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| timeless | yeah, i guess you'd have to install it | 21:33 |
| r2d2rogers | I don't need xauth usually | 21:34 |
| r2d2rogers | fake works for me from other linux machines | 21:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it's not worth installing anyway, sapwood balls it up : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png | 21:34 |
| timeless | heh | 21:34 |
| timeless | shadow: can you ssh into the tablet? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, what are stable mer packages btw, if we were to include more into the std image? | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | or should the mer packages just be the base system and what is needed to get it off the grond | 21:36 |
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| johnx | for now I'd say minimizing the download size would be best, as long as there were good instructions for where people should start looking for apps | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:37 |
| johnx | I think the latest midori is hildonized | 21:38 |
| johnx | that would be real nice :) | 21:38 |
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| crashanddie | installing Vista SP1 in a VM is a pain :( | 21:40 |
| timeless | btw | 21:41 |
| timeless | i've now hit 504 twice in one day | 21:41 |
| timeless | https://www.ohloh.net/ | 21:41 |
| timeless | 504 Gateway Time-out | 21:41 |
| timeless | nginx/0.6.31 | 21:41 |
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| timeless | oops, wrong window | 21:41 |
| johnx | :) | 21:41 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I do have evkey | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | where is it residing? | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /usr/bin, I asked where you wanted it installed when i debianized :) | 21:45 |
| r2d2rogers | ::nods:: | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: where does /etc/init.d/zrescue-menu point to evkey in? | 21:46 |
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| r2d2rogers | usr /bin/evkey | 21:47 |
| r2d2rogers | err | 21:47 |
| r2d2rogers | /usr/bin/evkey looks right... | 21:47 |
| r2d2rogers | think the case isn't catching the 770? SU-18 ? | 21:47 |
| r2d2rogers | /usr/bin/evkey looks right... | 21:48 |
| r2d2rogers | leading / wasn't sure it posted... | 21:48 |
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| r2d2rogers | looks like the home button isn't working at all | 21:49 |
| r2d2rogers | all the other hardware buttons seem right | 21:50 |
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| jaem | good morning | 21:52 |
| r2d2rogers | I think I have useful dmesg log now though... for the wireless | 21:52 |
| * r2d2rogers tries to figure out how to get it off the device | 21:52 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ls -l /dev/input | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | actually | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | check /etc/rcS.d and see if zrescue-menu is run before or after udev | 21:55 |
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| r2d2rogers | zrescue-menu is S03 and udev is S10 | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah fsck | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | .. why can't linux systems just be sane once in a while.. | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | can you tell me the major/minors of your /dev/input/ event devices? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l it | 21:58 |
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| johnx | anyone interested in screenshots of the latest svn version of midori all nice and hildonized running in mer? | 21:59 |
| r2d2rogers | event0-2 | 22:00 |
| r2d2rogers | mice and mouse0 | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: yes, gladly | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: me, me, me! :) | 22:00 |
| RST38h | mouses! | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, thats the names, what about the major, minor numbers? | 22:00 |
| r2d2rogers | after the group in the ls -l ? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:00 |
| r2d2rogers | all are 13 then event is 64 65 66, mice is 63 and mouse0 is 32 | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 22:01 |
| r2d2rogers | no | 22:01 |
| r2d2rogers | np | 22:01 |
| guysoft42 | hey, i am trying to compile something in sctachbox, but it wants the package libeventdb-dev . apt-get does not find it.. where can i get it? | 22:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: it's in diablo extras-devel (dunno about extras) | 22:05 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, what line needs to go in the sources.list? | 22:06 |
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| guysoft42 | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free extras-devel ? | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free | 22:07 |
| johnx | hot midori on mer lovin: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Screenshot-1.png | 22:07 |
| guysoft42 | ah wait, think i found it | 22:07 |
| guysoft42 | thanks qwerty12_N800 :) | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np :) | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: wicked! :) | 22:08 |
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| johnx | my usual google maps seat-o-the pants benchmark says marginally faster than webkit-eal | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so gotta package.. | 22:08 |
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| johnx | packaged | 22:08 |
| johnx | :) | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | so gotta upload and build :P | 22:08 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, your getting midori to work?! yay! | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | (merbuilder is up again) | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: thats on Mer :> | 22:08 |
| johnx | guysoft42, it's all from upstream :) | 22:08 |
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| guysoft42 | Stskeeps, how is mer? i was interested... i am not really keeping track of the open source builds | 22:09 |
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| Stskeeps | guysoft42: it is insane but scaringily able | 22:10 |
| johnx | and the SDK *works* | 22:10 |
| johnx | midori built from only SDK-included dependencies | 22:10 |
| guysoft42 | in what way insane? unstable? or metamorphic the idea is insane.. | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | latter | 22:11 |
| johnx | err...SDK-accessed dependencies I should say | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, except for C++ and python :P | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | (extensions) | 22:11 |
| johnx | shh... :P | 22:11 |
| johnx | I'm trying to sell product here. get back to developing :D | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | johnx, Mer Marketing Manager | 22:12 |
| * guysoft42 is trying to fix the lines in gpe-summery | 22:12 | |
| Stskeeps | or short, 3M. | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | M^3 | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
| johnx | what do you mean we're not charging money?! O_o; | 22:12 |
| johnx | one more screenie: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/midori.png | 22:13 |
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| crashanddie | is that mer? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you should post it as hype for 0.8 :P | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | as 0.8 is dullingly boring else :> | 22:13 |
| johnx | let me upload a package and I'll let someone like Meiz do the hyping...if I put it in section user/internet will it show up in our h-a-m all nice and pretty? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yes | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | look after the new categories :P | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i suspect this hildonizing might actually have been built using mer.. but i am not sure | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | since the guy was in #mer the other week | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | if johnx's the marketing manager | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | who's the product manager? | 22:16 |
| johnx | yeah. I talked to him while he was finishing this up. just got around to trying it today. :) I should send him some screenshots | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: at least qwerty12_N800 is the CTO.. :P | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | oh shit | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | from Johnx's question though, I'm happy he's not the CFO :D | 22:17 |
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| crashanddie | cf (johnx) what do you mean we're not charging money?! | 22:18 |
| johnx | we'll have to fall back on plan b: get MS to buy us out | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: use user/network section, then h-a-m will localise it as internet & networking | 22:19 |
| johnx | got it :) thanks qwerty12_N800 | 22:19 |
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| MaceN800 | hi | 22:21 |
| johnx | ...this is not a sane reasonable package, BTW. it's a *demo* just so we're clear... | 22:22 |
| MaceN800 | love wifi tethering to my g1 | 22:22 |
| MaceN800 | xchat is pretty good too | 22:22 |
| MaceN800 | hm... think i am going to buy this artigo boc now | 22:23 |
| guysoft42 | hey, to what do i need to change: hildon-home-plugin/hildon-home-plugin-interface.h includes to so it will work? | 22:24 |
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| johnx | if someone does a real package for midori for mer I suggest basing off of the debian or ubuntu package... | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think people will care just as long as it installs :D | 22:28 |
| MaceN800 | heh | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (which, it evidently does :)) | 22:29 |
| johnx | it appears to at any rate | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | oy johnx, the screenshot you posted earlier, is that mer? Which browser is that? | 22:30 |
| johnx | that's midori in mer :) | 22:30 |
| johnx | and I can tell you it is lightning-goddamn-fast :) | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | may I make a suggestion? | 22:30 |
| johnx | sure, go for it, but keep in mind I'm just the packager | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but you'll bounce it to those who need it | 22:30 |
| johnx | nope | 22:31 |
| johnx | :) | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie | put the fucking menu on top, and when the user starts scrolling down the page, the menu stays on top of the page, scrolls off the screen, in essence | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I'm gonna go with the ps method of not running osso-pick-theme twice, using dbus via osso_rpc_async_run to run it with a string of 'run_bitch' doesn't work so well :/ | 22:31 |
| johnx | crashanddie, (I assume you mean toolbar)..like fennec? | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | dunno how fennec works, never seen it in action | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i would just use a lock file really | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | i'm just starting to get frustrated at all those browsers that use up so much screen real estate... There's not much on a tablet, so please use it sparingly | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I'm not really a fan of lock files, too much hassle if, for example, watchdog strikes while the theme window is open | 22:33 |
| johnx | how about 'hide with keypress'? | 22:33 |
| johnx | escape seems like a good candidate for that | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | johnx: I should have to press a button | 22:34 |
| johnx | yes. I agree. you should have to press buttons | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ok, now ti83 really works but I need wazd to fix the faceplate | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | lol | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | I shouldn't have to | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | I use the toolbar what, rougly 8.34% of the time I use the browser? | 22:35 |
| johnx | you would rather have to scroll all the way to the top of the page everytime? | 22:35 |
| johnx | then you will love fennec | 22:35 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: I could just press a button to call it... Makes a lot more sense to have something I barely use popup when I ask it, instead of having to hide it constantly | 22:35 |
| johnx | give it a shot and see how it works for you, since it has exactly the kind of interface you're talking about. I tried it and found I prefered to just waste the space | 22:36 |
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| crashanddie | god you're stubborn | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | :D | 22:36 |
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| johnx | lol...I'm not the dev anyways | 22:36 |
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| johnx | but you just said you shouldn't have to press a button | 22:36 |
| johnx | now you want to press buttons? | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | johnx: you press a button when you take an elevator right? | 22:37 |
| johnx | what are we even talking about? | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | and you don't press a button everytime you don't want to use an elevator, right? | 22:37 |
| johnx | uhhh...so press button it goes away. press again it disappears | 22:37 |
| r2d2rogers | with the wireless module in place, what would keep the wifi from being recognized on boot? | 22:37 |
| johnx | and usually when I use an elevator I'm standing in line anyways and someone else presses the button | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ifconfig wlan0 up? | 22:38 |
| johnx | errr...s/disappears/re-appears/ :) | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | waiting for boot to finish and will try just that and restart NetworkManager | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: looks like I have to modprobe after boot, should there be somethiing else added to get that to work? | 22:40 |
| * johnx actually has a nice extended metaphor involving toolbars, buttons and elevators :) | 22:40 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: tablet-wireless package is nice | 22:40 |
| r2d2rogers | gotta get rescue menu working for more packages | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. lemme just finish up this math | 22:41 |
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| r2d2rogers | if I rename the rescue menu to be after the dbus wil that get me there? | 22:41 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 22:41 |
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| guysoft42 | </hildon-home-plugin-interface.h> does this come from some packate? | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: udev you mean | 22:44 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: right | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | pushed changes to imager | 22:45 |
| guysoft42 | where can i get the maemo-af-desktop package? | 22:45 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: best to re-image then? | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah.. will save me some time in the weekend if its ok | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | as i cannot test the 770 images | 22:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: it's been replaced in chinook by hildon-something. remember, gpesummary has already been ported to os2008, use that source package to recompile from - not the bora one | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | going home, ttyl | 22:46 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: will do | 22:47 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: gimme a shout if you're around waterloo one of these days | 22:47 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, has it.. er strange let me see if i have the updated code | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: sure :), see ya | 22:47 |
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| jaem | I have a bit of an issue... UPS wanted to charge me $64 Brokerage fees, because Nokia hadn't marked my warranty shipment as an RMA.. | 22:48 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, it seems to be the updated version on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gpesummary/ | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: could be worse | 22:48 |
| jaem | so UPS said that Nokia could just fax in updated forms, but the tech support line is saying that they can't sdo that | 22:48 |
| jaem | Sts: that's twice what I payed to ship it there, and I don't really have the money to spare | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | true | 22:49 |
| jaem | I'm confused as to why they couldn't do that, though | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | try a new tech support turn? but yeah, they should have marked it as RMA i guess | 22:49 |
| jaem | you're right, though - it could be worse | 22:49 |
| jaem | a friend of mine's dad once got charged $95 by UPS... for two $3 bolts | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | people in .dk have been slapped with toll for RMA replacements.. like, outside EU toll | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | which is nasty | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gpesummary/gpesummary_2.8+maemo+svn20081212-3.tar.gz - updated in 2008, beats 2007 on that garage page :) | 22:50 |
| jaem | "Press (1) to hear a two minute speech about why you should visit our website instead of bugging us" | 22:51 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, thanks :) | 22:52 |
| * johnx presses 1 | 22:52 | |
| Stskeeps | phone systems are definately a design by the devil | 22:52 |
| * qwerty12_N800 dials 666 | 22:53 | |
| jaem | what I hate more is when you spend 5 minutes getting to a menu, press the wrong button, and it says "sorry, we can't help at all - talk to someone else" | 22:53 |
| * johnx used to maintain phone systems until he developed the quite explicable urge to flee the country | 22:53 | |
| jaem | or Broadcom... Website: "call 1800-123-4567" / Phone line: "check out website" | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: pitchforks outside your apartment? | 22:53 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, more like wanting to organize a cage match between our PBX vendor and the people providing our lines | 22:54 |
| jaem | haha | 22:54 |
| johnx | "two men enter, one man leaves!" | 22:54 |
| jaem | I would bet that the people who design a lot of these systems has never actually used them | 22:55 |
| johnx | heh | 22:55 |
| johnx | it's a case of new bits being grafted onto essentially a 100 year old system | 22:55 |
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| jaem | someone needs to make a horror film about a 1-800 number that sucks you in, and dooms you to a life of sitting on hold, listening to short loops of inspiration music | 22:56 |
| jaem | s/inspiration/inspirational/ | 22:57 |
| infobot | jaem meant: someone needs to make a horror film about a 1-800 number that sucks you in, and dooms you to a life of sitting on hold, listening to short loops of inspirational music | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: american TV, you mean | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Maybe the guys who made 419 will be interested :P | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | i watch the horror your commercials are, compared to the danish ones | 22:58 |
| johnx | heh :) | 22:58 |
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| jaem | mmm... danishes.... I wouldn't mind commericials for pastries | 22:58 |
| johnx | and I've seen plenty of current Japanese commercials inspired by US commercials ... from the 80's | 22:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: just started imager | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 23:02 |
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| mavhc | jaem: that wouldn't be a film, at most a video art installation | 23:07 |
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| jaem | I'd feel sorry for the artists' victims | 23:08 |
| johnx | nah...it should be an 'experience' | 23:08 |
| johnx | like they have the indiana jones ride at disneyland | 23:08 |
| jaem | if MS ran it, they'd put the word "Experience" in there somewheree | 23:08 |
| johnx | where they lock you into a chair | 23:08 |
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| mavhc | someone once made a film where a guy taped his mouth/nose over, then handcuffed himself to a chair | 23:09 |
| jaem | wow... Plan 9 boots slowly | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | johnx: You will love this one: http://rutube.ru/tracks/401242.html?v=18b9f079bf5ce9b5499a1dd497974674 | 23:12 |
| johnx | heh. saw it before actually, but yeah, kinda fun | 23:14 |
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| johnx | w00! midori just finished on x86 | 23:20 |
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| Shadow_M | hey timeless what do you do to fix the display issue using ssh -x on the it | 23:20 |
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| guysoft42 | yay, got the line for the events :) .. i can write a patch | 23:21 |
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| guysoft42 | or just write a package that writes "yay" on every appointment you have.. thats what the code just did in my maemo | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:22 |
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| guysoft42 | um, is there a way to run the hildon desktop in scrachbox so i dont need to recompile, package and send over bluetooth my package? | 23:22 |
| Shadow_M | Stskeeps, do you know hwo to fix the the fact then when i ssh into a machine and try to ford x i get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | Shadow_M: other than using mer or doing some xauthinstallation, no | 23:24 |
| Shadow_M | well i installed xauth here but thats it | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | you use openssh-client? | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | and use -X ? | 23:25 |
| Shadow_M | yeah | 23:25 |
| Shadow_M | and when it goes into the system i get the localhost 10 issue where i did this a day or 2 ago and it worked | 23:26 |
| guysoft42 | um, does anyone know how i can get the width of the applet window i am in? | 23:30 |
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| Shadow_M | anyone X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 | 23:40 |
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| MaceN800 | ssd drives are still pretty expensive | 23:57 |
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