IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-02-11

johnxit's almost like the bt protocols are actually fairly well defined...00:00
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qwerty12_N800Can someone with a scratchbox do 'pkgconfig --list-all | grep gtk' for me please?00:04
johnxdiablo or mer?00:04
qwerty12_N800either, think it should be the same :)00:04
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qwerty12_N800Thanks johnx :)00:05
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qwerty12_N800Always the '+' :)...00:07
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oliany chances to get n800 webcam working in flash?00:20
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qwerty12_N800if you use from chinook & tz1's port of flashcam (?)00:21
oliare there any disadvantages of using older .so?00:22
qwerty12_N800it's slower00:23
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olii wont sacrify *tub00:25
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oli*tubes for chatting ;)00:25
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qwerty12_N800spammer! :P00:35
Stskeepsthat wasn't a cat :>00:35
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, ah, but how do we know that for sure ..? :p00:35
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b-man:) thaats better00:36
Stskeepsb-man: can you test out on ubuntu-jaunty?00:37
Stskeepsthe 1.0-1 version00:37
Stskeepsyou may need to build it00:37
b-manshure :D00:37
Stskeepscheck out and screenshots00:37
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dick-richardsonwhat is mer?00:38
infobotwell, mer is
b-manaah, qwerty beat me to it!!00:39
dick-richardsonthank you :)00:39
Stskeepsit's the place androids shortcut when being sunk into ..00:39
dick-richardsonis it safe to say mer == rx51?00:39
dick-richardsonmaemo replacement?00:40
Stskeepsmer is a community project which amongst others has the purpose of porting maemo5 components to 770, n800, n810(w), but it is also an attempt to reconstruct Maemo as a platform00:40
dick-richardsoncloser to 2007 HE00:41
dick-richardsonin concept00:41
Stskeepswe're also based on top of ubuntu jaunty00:42
Stskeepswhich means a lot of new fun things are possible00:42
dick-richardsonand I was drooling over the palm pre - gotta spend more time here00:42
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timelE61iLike totally breaking your system00:42
timelE61iMine can't find home00:42
Corsacit's here: ~00:42
CorsacStskeeps: jaunty but with 2.6.21?00:43
StskeepsCorsac: yes, why not00:43
Stskeepsit actually works :P00:43
timelE61idon't give me that, ~ doesn't work in perl00:43
Corsacperl sucks00:43
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CorsacStskeeps: it works but it'd be nice it it'd be possible to use a more recent kernel :)00:44
CorsacI guess wifi and touchscreen are again the problems?00:44
Stskeepstouchscreen was never a problem really :P00:44
Stskeepswifi not anymore after stlc45xx00:44
timelE61i~ is actually a shell convention00:44
timelE61iNot a code feature00:44
dick-richardsoncan't you make shell calls in perl?00:45
timelE61ior i could read env for home directly00:45
qwerty12_N800is there something like getenv $HOME?00:46
timelE61iBut you're missing the funny point00:46
timelE61iI had picked a single apt repo and was using it to install stuff00:47
timelE61iThat was my home00:47
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timelE61iMer ran in vmware and was walking across my vpn00:47
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timelE61iand then it stopped working00:48
CorsacStskeeps: so what prevents to use 2.6.28 for example?00:48
timelE61iSo my mer couldn't phone home anymore00:48
StskeepsCorsac: someone doing it cos it's not within my interest areas00:49
CorsacStskeeps: but using directly ubuntu kernel isn't possible?00:49
Stskeepsthere's a welcome task to be taken in that area00:49
timelE61iWhy bother upgrading?00:49
StskeepsCorsac: well there's no direct ubuntu kernel for n8x0's afaik00:49
Corsacoh, no armel on ubuntu maybe?00:49
StskeepsCorsac: not yet00:49
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StskeepsCorsac: but the android kernels prolly do the trick00:50
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CorsacStskeeps: why moving from debian (you were the creator of deblet too, don't you?) to ubuntu?00:50
Corsacwhat was missing?00:50
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timelE61inot enough upstreams!00:51
StskeepsCorsac: in this case? upstart00:51
timelE61iMore layers for the onion!00:51
Stskeepswe wanted to lay closer to fremantle00:51
Stskeepsalso armv5te vs armv4t00:51
Stskeepsand they're working on HWCAP stuff as well00:52
timelE61iwhat's that ?00:52
StskeepstimelE61i: select optimized libraries based on processor features00:52
Stskeepsso when running on armv7, use vfp if makes sense, or armv7 optimization00:53
StskeepsCorsac: as a side note, we do build mer packages for debian-armel too00:53
Stskeepsfor freerunner00:53
Stskeeps as well00:54
CorsacStskeeps: I'm a bit more interested in debian than ubuntu, so yeah if mer+debian is possible and need testers I guess I'll try that road00:54
Corsacwhen I'll have some time to buy that shiny 16G sd card :/00:55
Macerwhat a pain in the ass it is to convert these goddamn nero recode mp4s to xvid or divx00:55
Maceri guess i'm stuck using mencoder00:55
||cwat least mencoder can be stuck in batch files00:56
Maceri'm going to try ffmpegX first00:57
Macerwhich i guess is just an osx frontend to ffmpeg00:57
Macerbut it sounds l33t to add "X" to the end of it00:58
AStormand unpronouncable00:58
Macermy damn gf got a dvd player that plays divx/xvid but not mp4.. wtf?00:58
AStormmp4 is h.264 support00:58
AStormhard stuff00:58
Macerh264 isn't that hard ;)00:59
AStormbut it costs00:59
Maceri suppose.. maybe $1 more than the hw decoder for the xvid?00:59
Macerthat bad huh?00:59
AStormand multiply by units00:59
Maceri know i've seen some "nero recode" units available00:59
AStormnero recode also does AAC audio01:00
Maceri use the h264 shit because everything i have can play it heh01:00
AStormeven more stuff01:00
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Maceryah.. the aac throws it off01:00
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Macerbut you get great sound from things that support aac ;)01:00
Macerlike my popcorn hour01:00
AStormalthough Vorbis is very close01:00
Maceri think the world should all have popcorn hour boxes heh01:00
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qwerty12_N800is that one of those linux things?01:01
AStormOGG format for the uninformed01:01
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AStorm(but it can be contained in MP4 just as well)01:02
qwerty12_N800ffs, forget on-device compiling, the tablet takes fucking long in producing debs01:03
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AStormI know01:04
AStormneed cross01:04
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ShutteR77Hello agan)01:20
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* qwerty12_N800 looks at the long list of build deps for his 4 kb program & curses01:24
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daperlwhat's up?01:35
fuzzybunny_051im 12 years old and kind of a noob hacker01:36
Myrttigood for you01:37
fuzzybunny_051i was wondering if anyone is working on cloning the itouch os to diablo01:37
fuzzybunny_051if possible01:37
dick-richardsoneasy now...we all started somewhere01:37
dick-richardsonat any rate, I doubt it01:37
fuzzybunny_051also, i tried installing the install-tools on my 800 and was wondering whats the difference beetween flash and sd01:38
fuzzybunny_051im too lazy to google it01:38
dick-richardsongotta learn to google first01:39
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daperl"hello world" -> IPod touch Mac OS clone.  We'll call it MerMer.  Or maybe Whisper.01:39
fuzzybunny_051for diablo???01:40
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hildon-theme-selector sent to the builder. I'll write a clone tomorrow, I'm too effing tired to do any more :)01:42
fuzzybunny_051are u the real qwerty 1201:42
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qwerty12_N800I'm his clone, I shot him with a AK-47 :)01:43
dick-richardsonthank God, he was getting annoying01:43
dick-richardsonalthough, as a clone we can expect more of the same :/01:43
fuzzybunny_051wats the difference between flash and sd01:43
qwerty12_N800I hope to deliver :p01:43
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SmackPotatsd is a type of card " secure digital"   flash is the type of memory that is in that card as well as other cards01:46
timelE61iexcept for CF .)01:46
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fuzzybunny_051right, but when i try to install it says "flash is in use"01:48
SmackPotatim not any good at these two part questions01:49
SmackPotatn800  has two sd slots. does that help01:49
fuzzybunny_051no. it can only have one sd connected to install01:50
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fuzzybunny_051have u installed install tools?01:51
Macerwonder if this ffmpegX crap can batch encode01:51
Macerthat would be great01:51
Corsachuhu deblet screenshots are made on Xfce01:52
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fuzzybunny_051im switching the sd to internal but not workin01:54
fuzzybunny_051it says :"sd card is in use. save deb to flash and re-run..............HELP!01:55
fuzzybunny_051whats the diference between flash and sd01:55
SmackPotati i think there is also a few megs of flash that the programs are installed in01:58
SmackPotataudio and document and few other folders01:58
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rzrfor 770 owners :
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qwerty12_N800timeless: ping02:19
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darkblue_Bwireless ad-hoc networking anyone?02:44
darkblue_B /etc/init.d/networking restart  # fails for one thing02:46
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timelessmy mer has 0 network interfaces02:52
timelessand i don't remember my password02:52
darkblue_Bthat sounds unlucky02:53
timelesshow do i do something to it? :)02:53
timelessit's vmware...02:53
darkblue_Bwhats a mer ?02:53
infobotmethinks mer is
qwerty12_N800mount the image outside vmware, add a sudoers rule to allow all root commands passwordless :p02:54
qwerty12_N800or just chroot I guess02:54
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timelesswhat file system is the image?02:55
timelessoh wait!02:55
timelessso, i have dpkg-deb02:56
timelesswhich means i can make an anything02:56
timelessand attack myself02:56
darkblue_BI wonder if my VirtualBox things can do something like that02:56
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timelessdpkg-deb is my friend02:56
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qwerty12_N800timeless: if you do get your networking back, hildon-theme-selector is in the mer repository. working flawlessly in diablo at least02:57
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darkblue_Bwell it turns out that the net instructions I got for making an ad hoc network, changing /etc/network/interfaces, do almost nothing on the N80002:57
darkblue_Bthe reboot fails, and restarting the device, comes up with wireless just the way it was before02:57
qwerty12_N800timeless: ext3 iirc02:57
qwerty12_N800is this vmware install on windows?02:58
darkblue_BVBox does the same thing with its vdi files.. neat02:59
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darkblue_Bmeanwhile, no effect on wireless networking on the N80003:03
timelessqwerty: cool03:04
timelessi'm actually pulling in pieces of diablo atm03:04
darkblue_Bso thre is an .iso for mer ?03:04
qwerty12_N800darkblue_B: vmdk & the plain old tarball :)03:05
darkblue_Boh yuck - VMWare specific03:06
darkblue_Boh well03:06
timelessmost things support vmdk03:06
qwerty12_N800i think virtualbox can use vmdk03:06
darkblue_Bohh maybe VBox does  - ok spoe hastily03:06
timelessok, why wouldn't sshd be running?03:06
qwerty12_N800I use vmware personally but i've seen many screenshots of Stskeeps using virtualbox03:06
darkblue_Bwell *if* I get traction with this client solution, I'd be willing to try some Hildon python on mer03:07
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timelessif i added:03:09
timelessuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/sh03:09
timelessto sudoers, would i be able to sudo /bin/sh ?03:09
qwerty12_N800yes, except you'd wanna change user03:11
timelesswhy? is user the anme of an accont?03:11
timelessoh, well, that's nice03:11
qwerty12_N800actually, let me check, i'm not 100%03:11
timelessbecause most of the lines in sudoers.d/ are user, not %users03:12
qwerty12_N800yes, user is a user :)03:13
qwerty12_N800it could be an result of installing things from extras - it's nice when you are able to hardcode values without worry :)03:14
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timelessok, i'm root03:16
timelesswhat do i need to make sure i have networking?03:16
timelessesp lo003:16
timelessand sshd03:16
timelessat boot03:17
qwerty12_N800Not really sure on the networking specifics, but I guess having network-manager installed would be a start and openssh-server should probably be installed from the ubuntu repo, not the extras one03:18
timelessi had to remove network-manager03:19
timelessit broke my ability to use diablo03:19
qwerty12_N800ah :/03:19
darkblue_B"wireless cards that support ad-hoc networking..."  so this card may not support ad-hoc mode03:20
darkblue_Bno lspci..03:20
timelesswhy doesn't mer show me lo0?03:24
qwerty12_N800isn't it eth0 in vmware?03:24
timelesshey, how do i restart x11?03:31
qwerty12_N800think it's /etc/init.d/auto-startx restart03:34
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timelessoh fsck03:45
* timeless deleted upstart03:46
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timelesshelp, which package contains update-rc.d ?03:51
sp3000you need to version your mer :)03:51
timelessyeah well03:51
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timelessanyone w/ a mer alive?03:54
b-mani have mer and ubuntu - but mer is not functioning properly atm :P03:55
timelesswhich update-rc.d03:56
timelessdpkg -S ${that}03:56
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* b-man tryss to think of the package that contains that03:57
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b-mani'm not 100% shure :P04:01
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b-mantimeless: try "dpkg -S `locate update-rc.d`"04:06
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timelessi don't *have* the package04:06
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b-mantimeless: the package name is sysv-rc04:09
timelessb-man: wrong flavor04:11
timelessbman, try again: for /usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d04:12
timelessunop: so04:14
b-mani'm getting a 'not found' message :P04:17
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* b-man is sorry if he is not being verry helpful - it is late here and i'm drowsy :P04:20
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wireghoulDoes anyone know how to separate the touchscreen and keyboard modules on a nokia n810?08:48
johnxI thought I saw a link once08:49
johnxlet me see if I can find it08:49
johnxsooo...would a Nokia service manual be about what you're looking for?08:51
johnxI'm not 100% sure this is what you want, but maybe:
johnxthere's also a couple videos of an n810 being disassembled I think, but that's easy to google08:53
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wireghouljohnx, the sm got dissasembly instructions, now to work around not having the standard toolkit.. tyvm08:56
johnxsure :)08:56
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mikem`just bought a new memory card for my n810, but how do I access/mount it? doesn't show up in file manager09:06
johnxmy only advice is make sure it's pushed in all the way09:07
* mikem` slaps forehead09:07
mikem`"Memory card available" :D09:07
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mikem`johnx: thanks09:07
* johnx doesn't even have an n810 09:07
johnxsure :)09:08
mavhc"have you tried taking it out and putting it back in again" is the collolary to "have you tried turning it off and on again"09:10
* timeless sighsw09:10
timelesshow does one 'break' conflicts?09:11
johnxmavhc, except I know that a lot people have problems with the n810 and memory cards related to them not being in all the way09:11
johnxtimeless, you mean 'repair' a situation where you have some conflicting packages installed?09:12
timelesswell, kinda09:12
timelessnot really09:12
timelessi'm trying to add packages09:12
timelessand things are fighting09:12
timelessbasically upstart and sysvinit don't get along09:13
johnxyeah, not suprisingly09:13
johnxand so you want to do what exactly? force both to be installed?09:14
Corsacisn't that a weird idea?09:14
Corsacthey both ship /sbin/init and are both intended to do the same job09:15
johnxapt trusts the packages over the user09:15
Corsacthey _have_ to conflict09:15
Corsacand they sure shouldn't be both installed09:15
johnxyou can force dpkg to do it but then your system will probably be broken09:15
mavhcjohnx: both bits of advice work often, it's more that it's something people haven't tried09:16
* timeless sighs09:17
johnxtimeless, at this point why even bother with packages, just unpack the .debs into /09:17
johnxyou'll end up with a broken system either way, might as well get there as fast as you can...09:17
* timeless creates dummy packages and starts installing them09:18
johnxequivs is good for that09:18
timelesswhy didn't you suggest equivs? :)09:18
johnxbecause you asked how to install two packages that conflict. I assumed you cared about their contents09:18
timelessdon't assume that :)09:19
timelessi only care about things which demand to have them09:19
johnxok, I will no longer assume that directly answering the questions you ask will make you happy :P09:19
timelessthanks :)09:19
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johnxmavhc, 'turn it off and on again' is more of a reminder. but 'push the card in more' falls under the category of "I know you're worried about breaking it, but please, apply more force" :)09:20
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mavhcthat is the modern day dilema, how much force is too much?09:21
Macerit's ok. china allows us to replace things09:21
johnxhopefully this era of fragile consumer oriented devices will be over soon09:21
johnxcellphones are already showing impressive amounts of hardiness09:21
Macerjohnx: that would be nice09:22
Maceri always had a thing for pre 1990 hardware09:22
johnxit's more of a longterm change I think :)09:22
Macerlike stereo receivers etc09:22
Macerseemed to use a lot more metal in those days :)09:23
* Macer points at plastic cars09:23
* johnx points at flashlights vs lanterns09:23
Macerlook at Saturn. I know a plastic car when I see one09:23
Macerthey guise it under trends like "dent resistant panels"09:24
johnxthey do pop right out in many cases09:24
Macerdo they even bend?09:24
Macerthe best one is the "crumple zone"09:25
timelessoh, oops09:25
johnxwell that's for protecting the contents of the car by absorbing force09:25
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* timeless forgot09:25
Macerjustifying plastic made cars by saying it is ok for it to shatter because it saves your life09:25
timelessi don't think i have hildon-application-manager installed anymore09:25
johnxthe plastic isn't the 'crumple' part. the crumple part is part of the frame09:26
Macerjohnx: i am sure the plastic plays a role also09:26
Macerif the body was steel it wouldn't nearly "absorb" the impact as much09:26
johnxcars with metal skin have crumple zones09:26
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mavhcplastic doesn't crumple09:27
Macerolder ones?09:27
Maceri don't think my 1994 caprice has a crumple zone :)09:27
Maceri think it was engineered to just kind of follow through09:27
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mavhcthis car has less than 0 safety features, if you drive it badly it'll shoot you in the head09:28
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johnxtake off the dash padding and steering wheel cover and you'll have a better approximation of what I used to drive :>09:29
Macerwell.. mercedes was making crumple zones in 195909:29
johnxalso the interior door padding and pretty much anything that covers bare metal09:29
MacerIn simplistic terms, this is achieved by controlled weakening of outer parts of the car while strengthening the inner (passenger cabin) part of the body by using more reinforcing beams and increasingly, higher strength steels.09:30
johnxyou put it much better than I could have09:31
* timeless grumbles09:31
* timeless wonders why hildon-update-notifier conflicts w/ hildon-application-manager09:31
* timeless wishses apt would explain its logic09:33
johnxapt-cache depends foo; "foo depends on bar >1.0" and apt-cache policy bar "bar .9 will be installed"09:33
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Macerjohnx: i didn't... wikipedia did haha09:34
johnxyou can also make it spit out a graphviz (sp?) compatible dependency chart09:34
Macerif you believe wikipedia09:34
johnxMacer, it sounds right from a high school physics perspective :)09:34
timelessham has a conflicts and replaces for hun09:34
Maceri happened to be reading the arctic fox article and got to reproduction where a female arctic fox had a penis and laid eggs within a male which carried the pups to term09:35
johnxand that doesn't line up with my high school biology class...soooo09:35
gomiamMacer: say what?09:36
Maceryes. i never heard of mammal females laying eggs in males with a penis09:36
* qwerty12_N800 wonders how many people doing homework on the fox copied that :) 09:36
Macerqwerty12_N800: hahaha09:36
* johnx is out of here09:36
gomiamMacer: URL?09:36
Macergomiam: it has since been fixed09:36
gomiamMacer: so... it's not an issue any more?09:37
Macerbut honestly. they would have had me if a light bulb didn't go off in my head saying "What the fuck??"09:37
Macer"No way!"09:37
Macerbut that just proved that wikipedia is not what i would consider a solid source of information :)09:38
qwerty12_N800But it could have been a transexual artic fox!09:38
Macerqwerty12_N800: yes . i suppose a natural mutation might create such a thing ;)09:38
Macerthe chernobyl arctic fox09:39
Macerchernobyl might be too far south ;)09:39
gomiamqwerty12_N800: even worse, it could have been a transfoxy artic sex :P09:39
qwerty12_N800lol :D09:39
Maceror just a homosexual fox saying it's normal09:39
Macerthus giving proof that homosexual sex happens more often than people realize in nature09:40
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timelessis there a safe mode for hildon-desktop ? :)09:46
qwerty12_N800safe mode in hildon-desktop terms means disabling non nokia applets when h-d crashes09:47
timelesswell, right now startx shows the background image09:48
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timelesswhen it tries to build the task navigator, x quits09:48
timelessok, so my problem is either a taskbar or a statusbar thing09:50
qwerty12Judging from your earlier problems with the menu, I'd bank on a file in ~ somewhere being corrupt09:51
* timeless ponders09:51
timelessso, at this point i have most of diablo09:51
timelessi'm still missing rss feed reader09:52
timelessoh, right09:52
timelesshow do i get a mouse cursor? :)09:52
timelessdiablo ate mine :)09:52
qwerty12In maemo, you edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme as root and comment the inherits line & reboot09:53
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qwerty12morning Stskeeps09:53
timelesswhat the heck?09:55
timeless~/.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons09:55
infobotokay, timeless09:55
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infobotwell, /.icon is a symlink to /usr/share/user-icons09:55
timelessinfobot forget /.icon09:55
infoboti forgot /.icon, timeless09:55
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* timeless frowns09:59
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timelessqwerty: have you tried a recent version of my strings?09:59
timelessin Mer, I'm seeing 'Global Positioning Systen"10:00
timelesswhich is unfortunate10:00
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qwerty12timeless, I don't think I've seen any updates for a while, but yes, in hildon-control-panel; I'm seeing "Global Positioning System"10:01
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timelessi haven't pushed to extras-devel yet10:01
qwerty12woot, hildon-theme-selector works! I'll work on that control panel applet when I get back from school :)10:02
qwerty12timeless, ah. Same zip? :)10:03
timelessok, so um10:03
timelessone of my hildon-desktop thingies kills hildon-desktop10:03
Stskeepsso it goes10:04
* Stskeeps needs coffee.10:04
qwerty12You can look at the config files in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and see what's loaded10:04
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timelessok, feed-reader kills my desktop10:05
timelessoops :)10:05
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Stskeepsthe h-d applet cirus is a bit of a farce anyway.. why do they run within HD anyway and not some launcher10:05
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timelessoh, i can answer that :)10:05
timelessfor the 770, they were worried about memory10:05
timelessso they did everything they could to avoid spending memory10:05
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timelessso instead of giving each applet/statusbar item its own process10:06
Stskeepsyeah, but why not maemo-launcher instead? :P10:06
timelessthey designed it so they'd share a single gtk instance10:06
timelessthat 'design' element predates me10:06
* qwerty12 has the feeling that this will be one thing not "Fixed in Fremantle"10:07
timelessi personally liked how a third party applet could brick your device10:07
mavhcneeds a safemode10:07
* timeless asked for one10:07
qwerty12It technically has one although it's annoying10:08
Stskeepsqwerty12: HD would be replaced ss10:08
qwerty12Just hope they're not as lazy this time :)10:09
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timelessiradio also kills my desktop10:09
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johnxcan we can a statusbar applet called 'brick'?10:11
timelessok, so i can't use any of the nokia applets10:11
* timeless wonders how they broke10:14
Stskeepsten bucks on /home/user reliance10:14
timeless/home/user is a symlink to /home/timeless10:14
timelessso if they manage to care about that...10:15
RST38hehlo all10:17
timelessadvanced-backlight killed my x10:17
Stskeepson vmdk, yes10:18
timelessyeah, is someone going to fix that?10:19
Stskeepsnot yet, we're waiting for a proper cross platform brightness thing :P10:19
timelessis it that hard not to kill x?10:19
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johnxtechnically the bug would be in X, right?10:21
johnxX crashed10:22
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timelessi don't have anything in /var/cores10:22
timelessso i suspect it's more that hildon-desktop killed itself10:22
johnxif I make a web page that crashes your browser, where is the bug?10:22
johnxah, you're right then10:22
timelessalthough what bothers me is that i don't seem to get a core for that either10:22
timelessoh brother10:22
timelesshow do i change ulimit -c from a boot hting?10:22
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RST38hjohnx: if you fuck with the display driver directly, dont blame x10:23
RST38hjohnx: and if i remember corectly that is what rotation patch does, right?10:23
timelessok, i think i need to fix /etc/security/limits.conf10:24
johnxRST38h, nope, as timeless pointed out it's adv backlight crashing hildon-desktop10:24
* timeless reboots10:24
johnxmy point above about X was more general-case, than specific to this10:24
timelesstechnically i have no idea what's crashing10:24
timelessbecause the system wasn't saving cores10:25
* timeless reboots and tries to crash something10:25
johnxI'm pretty sure you're right that it's h-d10:25
Stskeepsh-d shuts down cos of A-B dsme communication probably10:25
timelesshrm, /etc/osso-af-init/eal-af-services10:25
RST38hjohnx: if its hildon desktop then its a different thing10:26
infobottimeless meant: hrm, /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-services10:26
RST38hjohnx: hildon desktop plugin apis are hghly unreliable judging from how unstable many applets are10:26
johnxand how applets crash h-d so easily10:26
timelessis changing /etc/security/limits.conf supposed to work?10:28
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timelessbecause i put in:10:28
timeless*  soft core 10000010:28
timelessand ulimit -a still shows 010:28
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StsN800heh, the clock in the bus is showing 09:9910:35
johnxthe end times are nigh!10:35
StsN80009 part is correct:P10:36
rzrhi, about multitouch , where do this go ?
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StsN800morning wazd10:38
wazdmorning all)10:45
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JaffaMorning, all11:27
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timelesshi jaffa11:28
* timeless is trying to get ulimit -c unlimited to cooperate11:28
timelessit's being mean to me11:29
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* timeless sighs11:40
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timelessanyone have advice on where to set ulimit -c unlimited?11:42
timeless/etc/security/limits.conf seems to be ignoring me11:42
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timelesswhat does:12:05
timelessNo apport report written because MaxReports is reached already12:05
darkblue_Bwell I did grab a copy of mer 0.7 and ran it with VirtualBox...12:08
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darkblue_Bthere is no python as far as I couls see12:08
darkblue_Bpython-hildon is what I'd be using to build apps12:09
Jucatotimeless: all I know is that apport is Ubuntu's crash handler/reporter...12:09
* timeless is confused12:11
timelessdpkg -l *apport*12:11
timelessNo packages foudn matching *apport*.12:11
timelessdpkg -l dpkg12:11
timelessii dpkg 1.14.24ubuntu112:11
timeless(typos mine)12:11
timelesswhy would it complain about apport if i don't have it installed?12:12
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aquatixand xkbdata-data?12:16
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guysoft42hey all, does anyone know where i can get the source of almost ti-85?12:26
GeneralAntillesguysoft42, it's clearly marked non-free.12:27
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johnxyou could probably work out buying a license to the source code if you were interested12:28
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, how come its non-free? did marat buy a license?12:28
RST38hI will release the source code once it is semicomplete12:28
RST38hIt has no direct commercial value12:29
guysoft42Ah hi, RST38h ... i thought it didn't you stated so..12:29
guysoft42RST38h, i was going to blog about it.. i really liked it after figuring out its impossible to get graphical calculators in my country, as far as i searched12:30
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RST38hguysoft42: is there some religious taboo against graphing calcs? =)12:31
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guysoft42RST38h, well it seems the demand went down.. and so did the import.. so it seems only my fellow students that have one got it eons ago12:32
GeneralAntillesI've seen graphing calculators in grocery stores around here.12:33
guysoft42GeneralAntilles, i looked on various places.. i have this feeling some electronics store has one somewhere12:34
RST38hGeneral: US schools require them12:34
RST38hGeneral: No such requirement in most countries afaik12:35
GeneralAntillesRST38h, oh? Interesting.12:35
johnxI'm sure it's just one of the programs on the electronic dictionaries here12:35
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RST38hGeneral: Soviets provided calculators to schools in the 80s but that was mostly MK-18M ( - a really simple calc12:37
johnxeh. kids have cellphones now12:38
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GeneralAntillesTI must make a killing off the 83/84s12:38
RST38hjohnx: Those suck as calcs, unless you install my SlideRule app that is =)12:38
RST38hGeneral: Oh, it does.12:38
GeneralAntillesPractically every middle schooler in American has one.12:38
GeneralAntillesThey charge upwards of $100 a pop12:38
RST38hAnd I am pretty sure it was TI who lobbied the calcs requirement in schools12:38
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine how cheap they are to produce.12:39
johnxRST38h, that's what I mean though. everyone's carrying a freaking ARM7 around. they just need the software for it...12:39
GeneralAntillesand the hardkeys12:39
* Jaffa has *never* owned a graphicing calculator; did have a high-end non-graphic one, though12:39
RST38hjohnx: There was an article on EE Times recently about how your average PC has 3-4 ARMs and a single x86 =)12:39
GeneralAntillesQuick access to all of the functions is important.12:39
GeneralAntillesand a cellphone doesn't offer that.12:39
RST38hGeneral: It does, when running SlideRule :)12:40
RST38hGeneral: It is not really that difficult when you think about it: the phone has got two softkeys that act as F-keys12:40
johnxRST38h, I just find it amusing that people are carrying around more computing power than your average 1990s desktop and not using it for anything but making phone calls12:41
RST38hGeneral: So you have got arithmetics on d-pad (including =), 10 digits and 2 more quick keys12:41
GeneralAntillesMaybe I'm just old and curmudgeonly, but I lik the feel of a TI graphing calculator in my hands.12:41
RST38hGeneral: And 2x12 functions12:41
GeneralAntillesjohnx, worse, mostly just using it to send tiny bits of text.12:41
RST38hGeneral: Oh, the FEEL can't be emulated of course :)12:41
RST38hAlthough most real connosieurs prefer HP48 series12:42
* GeneralAntilles hugs his TI-89ti12:42
GeneralAntillesBefore my time.12:42
* johnx liked his TI-83+. first place he really started programming12:42
GeneralAntillesI remember replacing all of the monster name strings with names of the teachers in a DnD type game in middle school on mine.12:43
johnxthough I remember RST38h's story about programming on some prehistoric Soviet era calc...12:43
* RST38h would hug Iskra-555 but 1) it was the size of a desk and 2) it is extinct12:43
RST38hjohnx: You mean MK-61/MK-52?12:43
RST38hjohnx: People even wrote games for these12:44
RST38hjohnx: Then there is the 16bit PDP11-compatible Soviet palmtop ;)12:45
GeneralAntillesThat is really the stumbling block Nokia's going to have to figure out to get any sort of mass-market appeal with devices like these.12:45
johnxGeneralAntilles, lol. had the opposite reaction here, showing off the browser to people used to surfing on their cellphone12:46
RST38hjohnx: which was actually mass produced12:46
GeneralAntillesjohnx, nobody does that here.12:46
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johnxRST38h, must have seemed such a luxury to have a PDP11 in the palm of your hand12:47
johnxGeneralAntilles, well, maybe Nokia should look at other markets...12:47
RST38hGeneral: It is already a stumbling block, if you remember how Atom is positioned as "the real desktop web experience"12:47
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RST38hjohnx: In fact, it looked, felt, and worked like a Casio FX720-like calculator12:47
RST38hjohnx: I have found the whole story only recently12:48
MyrttiTI85 ♥ 4evah12:48
_BuBUHi there12:48
GeneralAntillesjohnx, what do you think it's gonna be like looking back on these beasts in 15 or 20 years?12:48
RST38hjohnx: Angstrem engineers were told to copy Casio FX720. They opened it up and found a custom 4bit IC inside12:48
johnxGeneralAntilles, the next big challenge seems to be 'how small can we make this while maintaining a usable device?"12:49
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RST38hjohnx: They could not copy the IC, but had recently developed embedded IC series based on the PDP11 CPU architecture12:49
_BuBUdon't know if I'm on the right place.. but would like to port Maemo mer onto Archos A605 which is ARMv5te but without fpu12:49
GeneralAntillesjohnx, then we'll get chips implanted in the back of our skulls and it wont matter anymore. ;)12:49
johnx_BuBU, ah! sounds great!12:49
guysoft42RST38h, sorry, phone.. well here we can only use normal one for tests12:49
johnx_BuBU, what distro do you have on it right now?12:49
_BuBUso my question where to get latest svn for mer12:49
RST38hjohnx: So they used THAT. It was, BTW, pretty advanced for those times, even compared to Western ICs12:49
_BuBUcustom distro12:50
_BuBUbased on pdaXrom12:50
johnxcan you use altboot?12:50
_BuBUno xorg yet..12:50
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johnxah, xfbdev works, right?12:50
_BuBUI can have my own kernel/modules12:50
_BuBUI ported qtopia on it longtime ago12:51
johnxand do you have some sort of USB networking or USB host mode?12:51
Stskeepsinternal flash or sd?12:51
_BuBUI back ported usbnet from 2.6.20 to 2.6.1012:52
Stskeepssounds portable to12:52
guysoft42RST38h, you think your code would be compilable for x86 when it comes out? i was hoping to include that12:53
RST38hguysoft42: it will, mostly12:53
_BuBUthe only thing ATM is that I'm stuck with the 2.6.10 kernel as there is specific stuff for TI (davinci) hardware12:53
RST38hguysoft42: But you can probably just run VTI on PC12:53
johnxis 2.6.10 capable of running EABI binaries?12:53
_BuBUI've to check12:54
Stskeeps_BuBU: sure? though i saw more up to date davinci stuff12:54
_BuBUyes I know there is thing for 2.6.28 now12:54
_BuBUbut did not tried actually12:54
Stskeepsdoes debian-armel port?12:55
timelessi'm stuck12:55
timelessx11 isn't staying open12:55
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timelessand i haven't managed to get ulimit -c unlimited into some useful place12:56
timelessany suggestion for a script to use to host that command?12:56
_BuBUStskeeps: with softfloat probably yes12:56
johnxI'm pretty sure 2.6.16 or .17 was the first with EABI support from upstream. Right now, you could use all our binaries unmodified if you were able to run EABI12:57
_BuBUas my toolchain is built using: --with-arch=${DEFAULT_CPU-armv5te} --with-float=soft --with-fpu=vfp12:57
_BuBUjohnx: I think I tried and got illegal instruction12:58
_BuBUprobably because of no fpu right ?12:58
johnxEABI binaries for ubuntu and debian are softfloat12:58
Stskeepsno fpu is fine12:58
johnxtesting right here on a zaurus :)12:58
Stskeepswe dont even have vfp on 77012:58
johnxyeah, arm EABI support started in 2.6.1612:59
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johnxyou could rebuild our packages on debian 'arm' but that might take a while12:59
_BuBUI have time for it :)12:59
_BuBUat least I will take time..13:00
johnxwell. if you have that much time you're probably much better off getting 2.6.28 running :)13:00
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johnxStskeeps, how did recompiling on debian for armv4t go?13:01
_BuBUkernel should be more painfull I think... as it is quite hard on the archos... I've no JTAG... so not so easy..13:01
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johnxyou can't boot from kexec?13:02
_BuBUI've already bricked 2 a605 :(13:03
RST38hSerior Archos deflorator13:03
RST38hSerial, sorry13:03
timelessjohnx: help?13:04
timelessi want to set the core file size limit to unlimited13:05
timelessand mer isn't cooperating13:05
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timelessgrep core /etc/security/limits.conf |grep -v ^#13:05
timeless* soft core unlimited13:05
_BuBUjohnx: so what is the latest svn for mer ?13:05
timelesswhen i log in (console), i get ulimit -a:13:06
timelesscore file size (blocks, -c) 013:06
johnx_BuBU, from launchpad13:06
_BuBUis there any instructions on building it ?13:07
johnxit's just packages that sit on top of ubuntu jaunty arm EABI port13:07
johnxuhm, for rebuilding we have a builder and the builder scripts are available too13:08
johnxlet me round up links to our launchpad projects and our sec13:08
_BuBUok thx13:08
johnx <- Stskeeps <- me13:09
johnxand our repo is here:
_BuBUok thx a lot13:10
* timeless wonders where the theme select script is13:10
johnxnow, these packages could probably also sit on top of debian OABI (ie, pre-2.6.16), but they might need some tweaks in some cases13:10
johnxtimeless, I don't know anything about core dumps that can't be found on google. sorry.13:10
timelessthis is more of a question of boot sequence13:11
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timelessi've googled, and i've set the right file13:11
timelessbut i can't tell if it's being honored/ignored13:11
timelessbecause it isn't set13:11
johnxah, well if you can set it directly with ulimit it should be fine13:11
timelessand i did a grep -r on the fs (gave up eventually, /dev is too big)13:11
johnxis that working at least?13:11
timelessyeah, that works13:12
timelessand kill -4 caused my dump to go where it belonged13:12
johnxso maybe a problem of h-d not crashing the right way to generate a core dump?13:13
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* guysoft42 back13:13
timelessXorg's log only has ddxSigGiveUp13:13
guysoft42RST38h, VTI? is that the emulator you wrote? but doesn't it need a rom?13:13
timelessno sign of it crashing (and i do have crashes for it)13:14
Stskeepstimeless: probably h-d exiting then13:14
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timelessis there a log file i could get for that?13:14
johnxmaybe something in .xsession-errors13:14
johnxor tweak /usr/bin/start-hildon to strace h-d?13:15
timeless.xsession-errors has some stuff13:15
timelesshildon-desktop[2733]: GLIB ERROR ** advanced-backlight - couldn't connect to dsme13:15
timelessmaemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch'13:15
timelessnumber=  None13:15
guysoft42RST38h, nice that you found it on that website  .. still ill have to think about it... its 200$ ovethere.... and strangely they have no phone. only a webstore13:16
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johnxi'd look at adv backlight then13:16
timelessturning off advanced-backlight means i get a desktop again13:19
johnxI'm guessing there is some code like this: if we can't connect to dsme, then exit13:20
johnxand that ends up with h-d exiting instead of crashing13:20
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* timeless loads
johnxhey rm_you. got a question for you :)13:21
timelessis there an api to turn off a status bar item?13:21
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timelesswell, that's clever13:21
timeless1312         close(dsmesock);13:21
timeless1313         g_error("couldn't connect to dsme");13:21
timeless1319   send(dsmesock, (void *) &message, sizeof(message), 0);13:22
timelesslooks more like a crash than an abort13:22
timelessi presume g_error doesn't return13:22
* timeless asks mxr/diablo13:22
Stskeeps_BuBU: got a page with archos 605 porting efforts?13:22
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_BuBUStskeeps: but nothing yet for maemo !13:23
* timeless is watching old black and white finnish tv13:23
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_BuBUdown ATM13:25
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* timeless grumbles13:29
_BuBUjohnx: just in case I go for the new kernel with eabi support... where I get the latest Mer rootfs ?13:29
timelesssts/johnx: so...13:29
timelessi have *two* processes which have ulimit 013:29
timelesshildon-desktop and hildon-input-method13:30
timelesseverything else has unlimited13:30
timeless(at least running as my user)13:30
timelesshrm, nope13:30
timelessbecause if i run something, it gets 0'd too13:30
timelessi added ulimit -c unlimited to /etc/init.d/auto-startx before the su line13:31
johnx_BuBU, there's an FS image for the n8x0 here:
_BuBUwhich work for armel/armv5te softfloat ?13:31
Stskeeps_BuBU: if you do get an eabi kernel running i'll gladly bootstrap you an image13:32
johnxbut really once you can run EABI binaries I would do it this way: debootstrap ubuntu jaunty onto it, then install any hardware specific stuff you need13:32
johnxthen install mer packages on that13:32
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johnx_BuBU, debian targets armv4t and ubuntu targets armv5te right now13:32
johnxsoftfloat, no vfp13:32
_BuBUok thx will let u know.. :)13:33
Woolly-workdoes anyone know if it's possible to start modest from the terminal with a new email open?13:33
_BuBUthx for your help13:33
johnx_BuBU, keep us updated :D13:33
_BuBUno problems..13:33
johnxquite curious about this project of yours...13:33
_BuBUif I succed that will be a quite good device for Maemo :)13:34
timelessthe source is open13:34
timelessseems like libmodest_dbus_client_open_message13:35
timelesswould be fairly promising13:35
* timeless grumbles13:36
Woolly-workthat does look promising, but unfortunately, I'm not that good with C :(13:36
Stskeeps_BuBU: sure looks like it13:36
Woolly-workthanks though, i'll have a dig13:36
timelesswoolly-work: presumably that's a binary you can run13:37
timelessand it looks like it's just using dbus13:37
timelessso you could pull out the relevant bits13:37
GeneralAntillesHum, should Mer be added to the OS field?13:37
Woolly-worki'll have a look at dbus-monitor too to see if I can pick anything up13:38
timelessgan: probably13:38
timelessi can do it if you want it there13:38
timelesswe have fedora iirc13:38
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GeneralAntillesWell, for "Maemo" doesn't really make sense.13:39
timelessdo you realize how much of diablo i'm using?13:39
timelessit's more an issue of Hardware: x8613:40
GeneralAntillesWhen you toss "core" Maemo stuff out the window like DSME though. . . .13:40
timelessthan OS: Maemo13:40
_BuBUwhat is the best device ATM for Maemo Mer ?13:40
timelessdpkg -l dsme13:40
timelessii dsme 0.57.13 Device State Management Entity13:40
timelessit claims to be there :)13:40
johnx_BuBU, an n810 or n800 I think13:40
timelessgiven the number of digits in the version, you can assume it isn't a package i made :)13:41
_BuBUok thx13:41
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johnx_BuBU, once the keyboard stuff gets cleaned up in the n810 it will be really nice to use13:41
johnxbut for now the dual SDHC slots on the n800 are a great feature13:41
Stskeeps_BuBU: we also have vmware images13:41
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_BuBUStskeeps: ype already tested that :)13:42
Stskeepstimeless: dsme livws in initfs13:42
johnxalso, hildon-desktop and hildonized apps (especially browsers) are a lot happier with 128MB of RAM13:42
JaffaWorks nicely in both VMware and VirtualBox :-)13:42
JaffaAnd a chroot (good for sharing bzr dirs with a nicer dev env)13:42
timelessstskeeps: well, gan was complaining i didn't have dsme installed13:42
timelessbut i do :)13:42
_BuBUjohnx: the archos 605 is 128M ram :)13:42
timelessthat it doesn't work usefully on x86 isn't my fault :)13:42
johnxah, and 800x480, right?13:42
johnxreally too bad about archos' not being too friendly13:43
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Jaffalo khertan!13:43
_BuBUI've good contacts there :D13:43
timelessoh brother13:43
* Jaffa is getting excited about the 2009 summit now13:43
* timeless is late13:43
johnx_BuBU, get them to get you a newer kernel :>13:43
_BuBUthey are busy at gen7 :)13:44
_BuBUwith android port13:44
johnxand Nokia is busy with the next gen device, but they still gave us a newer open source wifi driver...13:44
_BuBUnokia is bigger..13:45
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_BuBUI will visit Archos headquarter next monday :)13:45
Myrttigood for you13:46
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johnxall I care about is how they treat me as a customer, if they want my money they need to be at least a little friendly to me :) I don't care how big they are...13:46
_BuBUjohnx: indeed13:47
_BuBUjohnx: they are french u know :)13:47
timelE61ihow's our driving?13:47
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* _BuBU is also french :)13:47
johnxbut getting a newer kernel will really make things a lot easier for you. if you want to soldier on with 2,6.10 then the first step is to debootstrap debian 'arm' (OABI) onto your device13:47
johnxshould be able to do that from inside pdaxrom with a bit of tweaking13:48
johnxor do the first stage on a desktop, then rsync the directory over, and chroot in from pdaxrom and do second stage and setup on your archos13:48
_BuBUjohnx: from pdaxrom should be maybe easier as we already have most of thing..13:48
johnxtimelE61i, better than Sharp's, better than Archos' (it seems), better in some ways than Google/T-mo/HTC...but stands to improve...13:49
_BuBUpdaxrom-ng is coming.. :)13:49
timelE61ihey, i try :)13:49
Stskeeps_BuBU: what are the blockers for later kernels btw?13:49
timelE61iI suspect that of the hardware vendors we send more bugs upstream than most :)13:50
timelE61iWe=andre__+me ;)13:50
_BuBUStskeeps: don't know actyally... I did not checked..13:50
johnxwell, if you want to repackage all of Mer then go for it, but we have it nicely packaged for ubuntu (and that should translate to debian well)13:50
johnxwhat does pdax-ng use for a builder? native? OE?13:51
andre__good citizens. ;-)13:51
Stskeeps_BuBU: and how do you install new kernels?13:51
_BuBUjohnx: custom builder done by Sashz13:51
johnxwhat kind of source packages does it build from?13:51
johnxyou use ipkg, right?13:52
_BuBUjohnx: yep13:52
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_BuBUthis is closed to ptxdist13:52
* johnx googles :)13:53
_BuBUbut whole build system is only shell scripts13:53
_BuBUStskeeps: for the kernel we have one file with some header and kernel+cpio embedded in it13:53
_BuBUand we flash13:54
timelE61iwould you like some twine w/ that duct tape?13:54
_BuBUbut we have no way back if we are doing mistake13:54
johnxtimelE61i, heh...careful of where you stand while poking at other people's builders...13:54
_BuBUin some case we can boot kernel from harddrive but does not work in some circunstance..13:55
johnxmainly I'm curious of what a typical source package looks like13:55
Stskeeps_BuBU: auch, harsh terms13:57
guysoft42RST38h, posted about it here: .. is in hebrew.. but there is a picture too :)13:57
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GeneralAntillestimelE61i, I was mostly complaining about OSes. ;)13:58
RST38hguysoft: cool =)13:59
* RST38h really has to crate a website for this emulator13:59
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, I was addressing Mer vs Maemo (badly) and not anything about your install.13:59
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Stskeepsyou know you're on nature science faculty when girls are browsing xkcd..14:03
johnxeh, dunno. my wife usually gets to new xkcd comics before me14:04
Stskeeps_BuBU: and i guess there's no way to take out hd?14:04
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_BuBUStskeeps: no problem with the hd14:04
Stskeeps_BuBU: well i read it as aimage stored on hd or something14:05
_BuBUyep.. and in flash14:05
_BuBUrootfs is read from the hd14:06
Stskeepsand you flash a new kernel how?14:06
_BuBUrootfs is a cramfs14:06
_BuBUwith some command we have written (not me)14:07
johnxif I understand correctly: kernel is normally in flash, but it's possible to load it from hard drive, but that doesn't always work. is that right?14:07
_BuBUin case the hd version can't be read this is the flash version which is used14:08
Stskeepsany way to forcd it to ignore hd version?14:09
_BuBUhd version is always read first... and if error or something flash is read..14:10
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Stskeepsim just trying to see if you can experiment with the hd flash and if the hd flash doesnt boot it reverts to flash14:11
_BuBUI can probably experiment but I'm not sure I will have a way to see errors14:12
Stskeepswell i just wonder if you csn sanely experiment with newer kernels without brivking:)14:14
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Stskeepserror messages can go on framebuffer console14:17
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liriis it possible to stream video/audio off of the N810 out to the network via vlc or something like that?14:31
thopiekarwhat about installing vlc and try it..14:32
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Stskeepsi did that on n800, through gst sender, vlc receiver14:32
tank-mani stream the video from the webcam to my desktop14:32
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RST38hAll right, the web page is now up:
liripossibly is this scenario camera streaming documented at
liritank-man: are you streaming it too via vlc?14:35
tank-manno, i installed some program that let me stream to a web browser14:35
liritank-man: is there a link you can give me regarding it?14:36
tank-manbetter not find you in any girls locker rooms14:37
liriI wish14:38
lirithe n810 is too big of a spy cam for that14:38
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liriI'm planing on using it as a video conf app/security cam at my apartment14:38
Stskeepstank-man: who needs that in this age of pervasive amateur porn? :P14:39
aquatixHD amateur porn even14:39
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Stskeeps_BuBU: curious, where did you hear about Mer?14:51
_BuBUgot a mail from fujitsu siemens Loox720 mailling list14:51
_BuBUwhere someone tried to port mer on loox 720 :)14:52
Stskeepshehe, that was me14:52
_BuBUeheh kewl :)14:52
_BuBUso where is the port then ?14:52
_BuBUI've a loox 720 :)14:52
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_BuBUwhich is sleeping since years :)14:53
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JaffaStskeeps: will 0.8 release ship a Loox 720 image?14:59
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lirihd amateur porn... now that's the future15:07
liriand they say porn is dead15:07
aquatixwho says? :)15:09
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jeremiahHello World!15:21
jeremiahOr should I say OHAI?15:21
JaffaHello jeremiah :-)15:22
jeremiahHey Jaffa, how are you?15:22
RST38hRFC1869 says you should say EHLO15:22
JaffaBit meh, today. Migraine and work don't mix well.15:22
jeremiahEHLO LOCALHOST15:22
JaffaEager to see timsamoff's announcement now, though15:23
jeremiahJaffa: Migraine and anything doesn't mix well. :-/15:23
jeremiahJaffa: should be coming across the wires soon. :)15:23
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Jaffajeremiah: True, and once I've got the work which Absolutely Must Be Done Today done, I've got 1.5 hours on London Underground & train to get home to bed.15:23
jeremiahThat just sucks.15:24
jeremiahLong day. :(15:24
* Jaffa does the martyr thing well ;-)15:24
jeremiahBut still, Migraines suck big time.15:24
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jeremiahJaffa: BTW, I had hoped to lay my hands on a newer N810 - how might I go about getting one?15:25
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GeneralAntillesHi, jeremiah. :)15:25
RST38hThe Vatican gave the Creationist lobby a left right sign of the cross today, announcing it would stage a conference on Darwinism next month and declaring that it was one of the Fathers of the Church that thought up the idea in the first place.15:25
jeremiahHello GeneralAntilles!15:25
Jaffajeremiah: Either email Tero and/or Quim, or one of us can do it on your behalf (say Tim ;-))15:27
jeremiahI'll email Quim - I met him at FOSDEM15:28
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jeremiahw00t - just sent an email tio Quim.15:30
GeneralAntillesandre__, when are you gonna start taking bets on how many more times David's gonna have to be prompted for a core dump before he coughs one up? ;)15:32
andre__blah blah15:32
andre__his problem :)15:32
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andre__"my car is broken, won't give you more info cause it's your job, but please quickly and exactly tell me on phone how to fix it"15:33
GeneralAntillesandre__, I'm leaning towards RESOLVED SUBMITTERFAILSHARD15:33
andre__resolved getathirdemailaccountandwastemytimeagain ?15:34
GeneralAntillesMore like: "Fix it, you stupid incompetent idiots. Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!"15:34
JaffaBug #?15:34
andre__it's the same guy i blocked with his other mail account15:35
GeneralAntillesI'm betting these are actually the aliases Quim files bugs under while drunk. :D15:35
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* johnx has memories of working retail computer repair and actually having to *do something* about people like this...15:35
GeneralAntillesJaffa, same guy:
andre__GeneralAntilles, ahaha :-D15:36
* GeneralAntilles wishes jott would come back and deploy his bugbot.15:36
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, can I add a task to the Feb sprint, that isn't discussed in the Feb meting ? or this is a wrong procedure ?15:36
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, tasks are only added during the meetings.15:36
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, if you've got something you want to push see:
jeremiahtekojo: Here I am! :)15:37
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, depending on the scope, start with a wiki page then go from there.15:37
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, ok, its a task for me, not a problem, is about summer of code15:37
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, oh, well, just work on it then. ;)15:37
GeneralAntillesYou don't need to commit anything to work on it.15:38
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GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd like to see some student labor implement some need RSS reader improvements. ;)15:38
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, you are a student :)15:39
johnxVDVsx++ :D15:39
GeneralAntilles_Other_ student's labor. :P15:40
GeneralAntillesBesides, I'm Mr. Community Guy.15:40
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GeneralAntillesWould you really rather me spend my time doing something useful like _coding_? :P15:40
johnxis this a trick question? :>15:41
aquatixinterestingly, it seemed he typed all that on his tablet15:41
andre__GeneralAntilles, ah nice, i'm getting more private hatemail by that guy :)15:42
aquatixspeaking of modest, i guess there are no nightly builds of it anymore?15:42
GeneralAntillesandre__, well, he's consistent anyway. . . .15:42
GeneralAntillesaquatix, dunno about binaries, but the svn is up. . . .15:42
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I didn't think it was up-to-date; another internal svn/git branch15:42
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ah, k15:43
Woolly-workI'm writing a python application to start modest using an RPC to modests MailTo method. Is there anything I need to do after the rpc_run call? I get the loading banner with E-mail loading, but then nothing happens :(15:43
* aquatix rather likes claws-mail on his tablet15:44
GeneralAntillesJaffa, right, good point.15:44
GeneralAntillesStupid Fremantle stuff.15:44
RST38hWoolly: you probably want to change from modest to something that works15:44
Woolly-workis modest pretty gash?15:44
RST38haside from that, no comment15:44
GeneralAntillesKlapphead! Haha! New nickname.15:45
VDVsxJaffa, can you send me the source of the 4 buttons used in the Mer page, or change the text in the buttons for me :) ?15:45
VDVsxI would like to use the buttons in the maemo summer of code page15:45
Woolly-workaquatix: do you know if something like what I'm trying to do is possible in claws-mail?15:46
* andre__ wonders how a klapphead looks like15:46
* GeneralAntilles ponders Photoshop.15:46
JaffaVDVsx: I'll get Mrs Jaffa to turn on my home desktop and send you the inkscape file15:47
VDVsxJaffa, ins't a rush15:47
VDVsxyou can send me this later15:47
JaffaVDVsx: Doing it now's not hard, and I'll forget or depriotise otherwise15:47
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aquatixWoolly-work: i think so15:48
Woolly-workawesome, I'll sift through the source code and see what I can find15:48
aquatixclaws-mail --compose <address>15:49
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Woolly-workfrom command line?15:49
Woolly-workthat's ideal :D thanks15:49
aquatixsee claws-mail --help for more15:49
aquatixsure thing15:49
Woolly-workthat's what I was trying to do with modest before, but couldn't figure out if it was possible :D15:49
aquatixnot sure, maybe it is too15:50
aquatixbut modest is damn slow on my imap account15:50
aquatixwhile claws works just fine15:50
Woolly-workmodest --help would do nothing15:50
aquatixand i like how i can use claws-mail on desktop, laptop *and* tablet15:50
Woolly-workso I can just remove modest using apt-get remove modest15:50
GeneralAntillesWoolly-work, no.15:51
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GeneralAntillesIt's not worth it, anyway.15:51
GeneralAntillesIf you want to remove the menu entry, just delete the .desktop.15:51
Woolly-workthat'll do nicely :)15:51
Woolly-workinstead of deleting the .desktop, would moving it out of the directory also work?15:51
Woolly-workin-case I need to move it back in one day15:51
GeneralAntillesWoolly-work, yeah, that'd work too.15:52
Woolly-workace, cheers15:53
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GeneralAntillesThough you could just pull it out of the deb in the repo if it comes down to it.15:53
Woolly-workyeah that's also true15:53
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JaffaOpen in Inkscape. Adjust to suit.15:56
VDVsxJaffa, thanks15:57
AndrewFBlackhey Stskeeps  you around16:00
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AndrewFBlacksomething is really strange I was looking at the log from last night right before I disconnected last time and it looks like I changed th topic of the channel to I don't know if I did or how I did since I wasn't even on the computer when that happened.  I know my cat is good but she isn't that good16:04
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RST38hAndrew: hackers.16:05
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liriis /dev/video0 the video camera feed?16:07
liriso once vlc is installed I can pull video from that and save it to a file and this way turn on video recording16:07
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johnxit sometimes spits out errors and apps that don't cope well with that tend not to behave well16:08
RST38hliri: NO, afaik16:09
johnxalso, trying to grab video at too high a res may result in a watchdog reset16:09
liriwhy not rst? wouldn't that work?16:09
johnxRST38h, some people have made it work, others haven't had success16:09
RST38hliri: it is not compatible with vlc, I have seen multiple complaints about it16:09
RST38hjohnx: AFAIK you can only access camera through gstreamer on Maemo16:09
liriit was mentioned to use that before, another option was gstmjpg but that requires a web server16:09
johnxRST38h, that's not true.16:10
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GeneralAntillesArchos netbook16:11
GeneralAntillesjohnx, oh?16:11
GeneralAntillesRST38h, 1.6GHz, apparently.16:11
johnx-1 point for atom, -1 point for rebrand, -1 point for keyboard16:12
RST38h-10 for notebook form factor16:12
RST38hNo, really, how many underpowered laptops do we need?16:12
johnxenough to drop the bottom out of the general purpose computer market?16:12
RST38hjohnx: Are there any successful examples of using the camera without the gstreamer?16:13
RST38hjohnx: that bottom dropping thing does not sound good16:13
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johnxpeople have used both vlc and mencoder successfully16:13
GeneralAntillesNetbooks are funny.16:13
johnxit doesn't quite behave like a sane, normal v4l2 device16:14
johnxjust like everything on the n8x0...16:14
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RST38hjohnx: at least it is better than audio16:16
johnxin fact, it's starting to look like apple played it smart by choosing not to compete "in" the windows ecosystem so much as compete against it...16:17
RST38hjohnx: They had to specifically "play" it? :)16:18
tekojojeremiah: sorry was out and about :-)16:19
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johnxit's just neat to see how well they did while completely ignoring what everyone else was doing16:20
jeremiahtekojo: No biggie, I am a happy lurker. :)16:20
suihkulokkijohnx: the v4l2 api is a beast, with all drivers and applications implementing and using slighltly different subsets of the api16:22
johnxthere's also the added bonus that capturing at too high of a res puts the tablet at risk of a watchdog reset16:22
suihkulokkithat's certainly bad from the v4l2 api pov :P16:24
johnxmaybe it falls under optional behavior :)16:24
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* RST38h once again politely requests an API where you send a few ioctls with the frame format and then start reading frames with read()16:28
Maceri was just thinking about it.. and i don' thave a single linux box other than my n800 and G1 i you consider those "boxes"16:28
liriwhat package has gst-launch for installing on the n810?16:28
RST38hAnd whoever would like to have a "richer" API should be crucified, beheaded, and fed to tapeworms16:28
RST38hjohnx: Apple sells you a fashion item, not a computer16:29
RST38hjohnx: They are mighty good at fashion, too. If Lenovo tries to sell you a fashion item, it will still be cheap chinese crap no matter how hard lenovo tries16:30
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Maceri am still pissed that i got banned from the osx # on efnet because some guy said that "osx is the most advanced operating system in existance"16:30
johnxRST38h, and it seems your average mac is rather useful as a computer as well16:30
Macermy reply was "why? isn't it just an old mach kernel with a shitty wm?"16:30
Macerwhich it is :)16:30
RST38hjohnx: It is useful all right, but not as much as a PC, when you do not follow predefined use scenarios16:31
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RST38hMacer: You flame people wrong.16:31
johnxRST38h, and a harrier jet is more useful than an econo box when you don't follow predefined 'roads'16:31
rm_youOSX looks neat and has a reputation for not breaking, but as soon as you take it off of the Apple Hardware "sandbox" it crashes just as much as the next OS16:31
RST38hMacer: That is why you get banned right away16:31
MacerRST38h: i honestly wasn't16:31
Maceri just didn't understand what made it so advanced?16:31
rm_youthey just have the ability to customize it for exactly two or four sets of hardware drivers and perfect it16:31
RST38hMacer: That is why you should ask 'em questions, not make statements16:32
Macerit uses a kernel tech that is years old16:32
Maceralong with a wm that is also.. not the best16:32
rm_youhell, windows aggrivates me more than most (though about average here, probably), but if it were made for specifically three pieces of hardware, it would run better than OSX >_>16:32
RST38hMacer: Let them push themselves into a corner, then attack16:32
Maceron tech that has been used in a PC for years16:32
Maceri don't understand what makes it "the most advanced OS in existance"16:32
RST38hMacer: You will still be banned of course, but the goal of making those poor suckers feel like shit will be reached by then16:33
Maceri mean... it doesn't float to your hands :)16:33
Macerthey dropped the ppc which was the worst thing they could have done16:33
johnxeh. I still recommend it over windows or linux to most people16:33
Macerturning it into a normal intel that costs 2x the price16:33
RST38hjohnx: Well, following this analogy, Mac is rather like a harrier jet that you can only fly along straight lines to a few preselected destinations16:33
Maceri mean cmon.. a 2.16GHz intel with a shitty video card laptop for $1500?16:34
RST38hjohnx: On the other hand, that is what most people do anyway16:34
johnxRST38h, errr...that was like the opposite of my point. :)16:34
MacerRST38h: i think it works good as a posix box16:34
Macerand darwin ports helps16:34
johnxmost people don't need a harrier jet, because they don't go anyplace that's not next to a road...16:34
RST38hjohnx: Yea16:34
RST38hjohnx: in that sense, mac serves them perfectly and it is shiny too16:34
Maceri mean i'm not saying it is a BAD os.. but it is far from "the most advanced OS in existance"16:35
johnxRST38h, then we agree. :)16:35
JaffaMacer: that'd be z/OS, right?16:35
aquatixJaffa: plan 916:35
Macerecomstation ;)16:35
RST38hMacer: You are trying to argue with mentally ill people using logic?16:35
Macerecomstation ftw16:35
RST38hMacer: As I said, that is not how it is done16:35
jaskaecomstation.. runs even less stuff than plan9?:D16:35
Maceri suppose not16:35
Macerjaska .. that is what makes it so advanced!16:36
RST38hMacer: With mac nuts, you first lead them into a tantrum, then laugh as they jump all over the walls, pulling hair off their asses16:36
Maceri'm actually thinking of building an ecomstation box just for the hell of it16:36
Macerproblem with macnuts is they are not very smart computerwise for the most part16:36
Macerdon't get me wrong.. you have a select few.. but i suppose that's anything16:36
RST38hMacer: who cares?16:36
johnxeh. all zealots are equally ridiculous...16:36
* aquatix saw Haiku OS in action last weekend at FOSDEM16:37
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RST38hMacer: Are you going to segregate your victims based on their computer literacy?16:37
johnxaquatix, how's it looking?16:37
aquatixMacer: open source BeOS16:37
aquatixjohnx: BeOS-y :)16:37
MacerRST38h: there is no point in playing basketball with scrubs.. it isn't as fun ;)16:37
aquatixjohnx: better google screenshots16:37
aquatixit's quite nice btw16:37
* aquatix had it in a VM a while ago16:37
aquatixdamn fast16:37
RST38hMacer: This is no basketball, it is a massacre16:37
johnxyeah, I check on it every couple months16:38
RST38hMacer: And the funniest thing is to make 'em massacre themselves16:38
Macerbut there's no point in beating up someone who is already knocked out ;)16:38
RST38hMacer: A drunk is knocked out, a mac nut is just mad.16:38
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Maceralways on the ropes . making comments like "the most advanced OS in existance"16:39
Macerwith no explaination as to why16:39
Macerthe only reason i don't mind my macbook is because i got it for $50016:39
Macerif i had paid $1500 for it i would have been greatly disappointed16:40
RST38hAh! A closet Mac user having a denial!16:40
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RST38hCome, come out of the closet Macer...16:40
Macerconsidering that a comparable PC laptop for $1500 would destroy this thing16:40
Maceri actually wiped osx on it and put ubuntu on it .. but the wifi driver wouldn't do adhoc so i couldn't tether my G1 to it in linux16:41
Macerso i had to go back to osx16:41
aquatix.. bt?16:41
Macerandroid bt is.......16:41
Macer(no comment)16:41
johnxyou really know how to pick lame systems to run linux on :)16:42
aquatixah :)16:42
* RST38h wonders why not get a Windows laptop and a Nokia16:42
Macereither way i don't even think that tmob lets you tether using ppp16:42
aquatixoh indeed16:42
Macerjohnx: haha16:42
* aquatix is too used to having bt available16:42
MacerRST38h: $500 for the macbook16:42
RST38hMacer: fallen off a truck? =)16:42
aquatixRST38h: ubuntu actually works really nice on my laptop16:42
Maceri don't really like cadallacs either.. but if i could get an escalade for $5000 i would16:42
johnxme too16:43
* aquatix wouldn't mind getting a Lexus for 2kEUR16:43
johnxthen I'd turn around and sell it16:43
RST38haquatix: it works on mine too, but I do Windows and Symbian development16:43
MacerRST38h: no... just a pc user who got one and didn't like it and just wanted to get rid of it16:43
aquatixRST38h: ah :)16:43
RST38hMacer: Ah16:43
RST38hMust have been really pissed off at it...16:43
Macer:) thought it would be like windows and found out it wasn't and didn't care about getting rid of it for $500 to buy a pc laptop that was just as good16:43
johnxaquatix, got just the thing for you. a little bondo here, get the scorch marks rubbed out here and it's good as new :>16:43
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aquatixjohnx: lol16:43
MacerRST38h: forgot what happened where he was about to throw it... and i just happened to be in the right place at the right time16:43
StskeepsJaffa: yes, it will16:44
Macer"I'll give you $500 for it" "FINE.. JUST TAKE THE FUCKING THING!"16:44
aquatixreminds me of my neighbour16:44
StskeepsJaffa: along with beagleboard port and i think also zaurus16:44
aquatixgave away his ipod touch on the ski piste to a random girl who liked it, because he couldn't stand it16:45
johnxaquatix, "I'll give you $500 for your neighbor!" "FINE JUST TAKE HIM!"16:45
aquatixjohnx: hahahahahhaha16:45
Stskeeps_BuBU: yes, i managed to get it ported:
aquatixjohnx: i would love to do so with the woman living next door to him16:45
Stskeeps_BuBU: theme needs improvement16:45
aquatixstupid b*tch constantly making way too much noise16:45
aquatixStskeeps: neat16:46
JaffaVDVsx: Select the area, then change the co-ordinates to add another 10 round. It seems that Inkscape doesn't take into account Gaussian blur when determining bounding boxes16:46
_BuBUyep I saw that picture :)16:46
Macerhave to take my car in for a tune up16:46
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Macerbetter go get this shit over with16:46
johnxMacer, good luck. try not to get ripped off16:46
Macerjohnx: it's ok.. saved $1000 on a macbook16:46
rm_youI want a new macbook16:47
rm_youif only it cost like half the price16:47
johnxheh. car stuff makes computer stuff look cheap16:47
Maceri don't mind the price of the tune up.. as long as they do stuff16:47
RST38hjohnx: move on to airplane stuff!16:47
Maceri usually mark everything to check :)16:47
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Macerto make srue they actually replace things that are supposed to be replaced16:48
johnxRST38h, was looking at cheapo UAV autopilots the other day :>16:48
johnxmake sure to get your blinker fluid changed and your muffler bearings replaced16:48
aquatixRST38h: feh, airplanes16:49
GeneralAntillesrm_you, are you getting adv-backlight bugmail now?16:49
Macerjohnx: i have a 1994 caprice :)16:49
* aquatix is saving for a space craft16:49
Maceri need to do so much shit to it that i can't even remember most of it.. but i have to get a 2nd car first so i can do it on my own16:49
RST38hjohnx: With bomb racks, or do you prefer hires cameras?16:49
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johnxtimelE61i, try adv backlight from svn16:49
Macer1994 was a good year for the caprice16:49
RST38hDoesn't caprice have a wider rear end than an average city bus?16:50
* johnx not a big caprice fan so he won't start16:50
* aquatix googles caprice16:50
GeneralAntillesPoo, johnx. :P16:50
RST38haquatix: do not.16:50
aquatixaugh, the goggles!16:51
aquatixthey do nothing16:51
johnxGeneralAntilles, it's just too easy...but I'm resisting...16:51
GeneralAntillesHum, looks like they're bringing it back16:51
GeneralAntillesjohnx, classic American sedan16:51
* aquatix has a simple 1996 opel astra16:51
* Jaffa now has a nice shiny new VW Scirocco (mmm, company car perks)16:52
aquatixJaffa: dang16:52
RST38hGeneral: Must be the falling oil prices16:52
* RST38h has got a used HRV16:52
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* GeneralAntilles loves his Camry.16:53
RST38hCamries are good16:53
aquatixi wouldn't mind having a new VW Polo16:53
GeneralAntilles5-speed makes them better.16:53
RST38hGeneral: Solara? =)16:53
florianGeneralAntilles: these are pretty good...16:53
GeneralAntillesRST38h, 2004 LE sedan.16:53
* johnx misses his Supra :/16:54
aquatixGeneralAntilles: 5-speed isn't standard?16:54
GeneralAntillesjohnx, what year?16:54
RST38hGeneral: They are $30k+ around here16:54
GeneralAntillesaquatix, this is the US, and the Camry is the typical run-o-the-mill sedan.16:54
johnxGeneralAntilles, had an 85 and an 84, but I miss the 84 most :)16:54
florianaquatix: depends on the area you live in ;}16:54
GeneralAntillesaquatix, they ship, like, a dozen manual Camrys a year.16:54
aquatixflorian: i live in a developed country ;)16:54
RST38hGeneral: Not prepared to pay that much for wheels16:54
GeneralAntillesjohnx, niiiice.16:54
aquatixGeneralAntilles: heh16:54
aquatixamericans can't cope with shifting gear themselves? :)16:55
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I got mine used for 14k16:55
* aquatix likes it16:55
RST38hjohnx: I had an 84 one, the one with dual headlights16:55
johnxaquatix, correct :)16:55
GeneralAntillesaquatix, mostly there isn't much reason to cope with it.16:55
aquatixtsk, lazy bums16:55
aquatixGeneralAntilles: because it's fun?16:55
RST38hGeneral: Used is like $20k+ here, still not good16:55
GeneralAntillesWe don't have insanely high gas prices16:55
GeneralAntillesand the vast majority of people see it as work, not fun.16:55
johnxRST38h, they're darn nice, quite reliable and not exactly slow16:56
dphil9000RST38h: try for cheap wheels16:56
florianaquatix: :-)16:56
* aquatix has to travel 130+km/day in his car for work16:56
aquatixnot exactly vacation either ;)16:56
aquatixstill, i like controlling my car myself16:56
dphil9000My fav vehicle16:56
RST38hjohnx: Mine went to the junkyard under its own power16:56
liriI haven't used GStreamer before (not even on the desktop) and I want to get gst-launch on the n810 for streaming... how do I get it installed?16:56
Stskeepsthere's a tools package or something16:57
aquatixdphil9000: heheh16:57
Stskeepsapt-cache search16:57
GeneralAntillesaquatix, as do I.16:57
johnxRST38h, first one rusted out from under me and the second one is still kicking around for all I know...16:57
* aquatix also loves messing with americans ;)16:57
RST38hjohnx: Well, mine has been dropping parts of the rusted trunk to the pavement for a while...16:57
GeneralAntillesaquatix, I only wish I had the wherewithal to look for something RWD at the time.16:58
aquatixGeneralAntilles: heh :)16:58
aquatixget a Beamer?16:58
GeneralAntilless/had had/16:58
johnxGeneralAntilles, you didn't have $500 and access to craigslist?16:58
* GeneralAntilles fails.16:58
GeneralAntillesjohnx, mostly I was still somewhat immature in all things automotive.16:58
johnxyeah, I was too...which is why I bought into a rust bucket first time around16:59
GeneralAntillesaquatix, I've been eyeing an E36 M3 sedan one of my neighbors has for sale.16:59
* aquatix has to google that one too16:59
johnxthen I bought a burned out hulk for $500 and drove it for a couple years16:59
liriyeah there's a whole lot of gstreamer options to install :P16:59
liriahh, tools for use with gstreamer, that's probably that16:59
GeneralAntillesI could afford the car, I couldn't afford the insurance, though.16:59
lirithanks Stskeeps16:59
* aquatix wouldn't mind having a Peugeot 407 either16:59
johnx80's beamers were nice too. lighter than the supra and RWD+I6 is my favorite combination16:59
GeneralAntillesjohnx, amen.17:00
GeneralAntillesjohnx, though my dream car is an E30 M3.17:00
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ah, that one17:00
GeneralAntillesaquatix, black: looks basically like this:
johnxlast company I worked with almost everyone else there owned an 80's beamer and raced them on a local track on weekends...17:01
aquatixfrankly, i don't like it, but that's more because only a certain kind of (immature) people tend to drive it around here17:01
aquatixthe car itself is nice17:01
aquatixGeneralAntilles: looks great17:01
GeneralAntillesaquatix, practically nobody drives it around here.17:01
Woolly-workaquatix: I've been trying out claws-mail, and prefer the feel of modest :(17:01
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ha, that's a Dutch one even :)17:01
GeneralAntillesThough there's a shitton of 3-series BMWs.17:01
aquatixWoolly-work: ah17:01
aquatixWoolly-work: yeah, modest is more maemo integrated17:02
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aquatixbut modest just doesn't cope with my imap account17:02
Woolly-workaquatix: I reckon that's it17:02
aquatixit takes 2 minutes to start17:02
aquatixthen randomly fails to load folders17:02
aquatixor refresh them17:03
aquatixand i only have about 100000 emails or something :/17:03
aquatixwith a 15-email inbox17:03
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StskeepsVDVsx: how was FOSDEM btw?17:03
Woolly-workI think i'll keep the claws option available, but try with modest first17:04
aquatixWoolly-work: good luck :)17:04
VDVsxStskeeps, was fine, but I expected more from the maemo talks17:04
aquatixlet me know when you get it working17:04
StskeepsVDVsx: well at least they referred to Mer ;)17:04
aquatixVDVsx: i expected more from talks in general17:04
Woolly-workaquatix: shall do, and thanks again :)17:04
aquatixWoolly-work: np :)17:04
VDVsxStskeeps, its true Stskeeps :)17:05
VDVsxaquatix, yap, the talks last year are more intresting for me17:05
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aquatixVDVsx: hm, i thought last year was worse17:06
aquatixthe year before was rather nice17:06
aquatixbut it of course depends on your area of interest17:06
guysoft42hey, does anyone here know the fastest way to pull data from the light-meter?17:06
aquatixpoll the proc sys?17:06
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, they're saving it all up for the Summit. ;)17:06
VDVsxaquatix, I don't saw any new and exciting project/advance this year, nothing new, I like to see new things17:08
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, Yap, probably and I hope so17:08
johnxwould be funny if the summit ends up in oregon17:08
* Stskeeps hopes to go this year to summit17:09
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johnxalways wanted to visit Europe...17:11
VDVsxjohnx, you live in Japan right ?17:12
johnxyup. will be back in the US (Seattle area) starting in April17:13
thopiekarhas someone of you the bianary /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkdir? sb1 can't find it in this folder..17:13
VDVsxI meet a guy at fosdem, that move from tokio to Oulu in Finland17:14
johnxthopiekar, should be a symlink to mkwrapper17:14
johnxVDVsx, ah cool. He's from Japan or was just living there?17:15
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VDVsxjohnx, nop, is Canadian17:15
liriyicks, libxslt1.1 is giving me a headache with apt. apt says it should be installed, when it tries to unpack it there's a dpkg error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxslt1.1_1.1.19-1osso3_armel.deb with the error: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/', whic is also in package libxslt subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe)17:15
VDVsxhe works for some company related to Nokia, but not directly with maemo17:16
liriany ideas?17:16
thopiekarmkdir is symlinked to mkwrapper but anyway sb1 can't find it -.-17:17
johnxliri, well, those should be conflicting packages. see what depends on each one17:17
RST38hjohnx: Done with Japan already?17:17
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johnxRST38h, not done forever, just done for now17:18
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StskeepsVDVsx: probably one of the large amounts of contractors :P17:18
johnxthopiekar, file /scratchbox/tools/bin/mkwrapper17:18
RST38hjohnx: Ah17:19
lirijohnx: running dpkg -l | grep xslt -> I get ii libxslt 1.1.9   ic libxslt1.1 (1.1.19-osso3) and  iU xsltproc (1.1.19-osso3 too)17:20
thopiekar* needs mkwrapper python?17:20
VDVsxStskeeps,  yap, he also a Quim friend, I meet him because he gone to the maemo dinner with us17:20
Sargun_ScreenMaemo has a dinner?17:21
johnxliri, the big question is what are you trying to install that depends on this different libxslt?17:21
rm_youIf a bug is fixed in latest SVN but not yet pushed to extras, can I still mark it as FIXED?17:22
johnxrm_you, go and study :P17:22
rm_youlol yea after i deal with this bug report :P17:22
liriI'm trying to install something else entirely (the gstreamer thing) but it seems that libxslt is a pending package with installation issues, usually 'apt-get -f install' solves this but it doesn't now...17:22
johnxapt-cache rdepends libxslt17:22
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timelE61irM_you: yes, just set the tm properly17:23
lirilibxslt reverse depends: libgtkhtml-2 lifrea17:23
timelE61iRm\you: which product?17:23
liriI actually don't mind un-installing both of those17:23
thopiekar-> solved the problem.. I renamed /scratchbox/tools/bin/python to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python-old, because in sb I installed some modules and I wanted to use them..17:23
VDVsxSargun_Screen, yup, posted in planet and mailing lists17:23
liriI remember trying liferea once17:23
rm_youtimelE61i: i dont have any TM set up >_>17:23
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rm_youtimelE61i: ABL, your bug17:24
timelE61iI'll fix that17:24
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timelE61iGive me a list of vers you want17:24
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johnxliri, if I were you I'd try and remove liferea and the libxslt it depends on manually17:24
rm_youfor now that is all17:24
rm_youi'll deal with anything else later17:24
lirijohnx: manually means 'dpkg -r liferea' ?17:25
T3rmInAt0rHello guys, I am having a problem... I tried to install mer on N810. I think I followed to procedure correctly. But now the N810 reboot in almost every minute. Additionally, when keep pressing home it doesn't boot on mer....:S17:25
liriok, done17:25
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wazd_n800I'm back... sorta)17:26
johnxT3rmInAt0r, ok. first what exactly do you mean "reboots in almost every minute"? is this when booted into maemo?17:26
wazd_n800soo cold(17:27
T3rmInAt0rit only boots on maemo17:27
T3rmInAt0rand since then17:27
RST38hmoo, wazd17:27
johnxare you out of space?17:27
T3rmInAt0rI installed mer on a 2GB card17:27
wazd_n800RST38h, mmmooo)17:27
RST38hwazd: I have got TI83 kinda working yesterday but it doing something wrong17:27
johnxT3rmInAt0r, are you out of space in maemo?17:27
RST38hkeyboard is not working well17:28
wazd_n800johnx, I'm out of the city)17:28
T3rmInAt0rI can't say.....17:28
T3rmInAt0rmaemo reboots17:28
zsT3rmInAt0r: i got the same problem, it was because there wasn't free space on device17:29
T3rmInAt0rit shows the screen of maemo for about 45 sec and then again, it reboots on maemo17:29
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T3rmInAt0rzs... now???17:29
zsT3rmInAt0r: not now, before17:29
T3rmInAt0r*now what am I supposed to do?17:29
johnxT3rmInAt0r, can you do anything in that time? can you open programs?17:29
T3rmInAt0rjonhnx no....17:29
T3rmInAt0rnothing at all...17:29
GeneralAntillesrm_you, RESOLVED means the code's in place, CLOSED means the code has shipped.17:29
wazd_n800why britain has such a good taste of music(17:29
StsN800T3rmInAt0r, 10 bucks you ended with out of space17:30
johnxT3rmInAt0r, ok. do you have a linux desktop computer you can use?17:30
rm_youGeneralAntilles: errrk?17:30
rm_youGeneralAntilles: which option do I select then?17:30
rm_youResolve bug, changing resolution to  FIXED INVALID WONTFIX WORKSFORME17:30
GeneralAntillesrm_you, if the codes in svn but not shipped yet, RESOLVED FIXED17:30
rm_youah THEN i get option for closed17:31
rm_youkk got it, thanks17:31
GeneralAntillesrm_you, right.17:31
GeneralAntillesrm_you, I was probably answering a question that wasn't really asked. :P17:31
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T3rmInAt0r( StsN800 .... maybe you are right...)17:31
lirijohnx: thanks, got it working17:31
GeneralAntillesExtraneous information.17:31
rm_youGeneralAntilles: no, that was exactly what i needed to know17:31
johnxliri, sounds good :)17:31
T3rmInAt0rjohnx, what can I do with linux desktop?17:31
T3rmInAt0rflash it again?17:31
timelE61irm: someone should verify it too17:31
timelE61iThat's qa17:31
johnxT3rmInAt0r, use the command line linux flasher to disable lifeguard reset17:31
timelE61iOften it'll be the reporter17:32
rm_youtimelE61i: kk... so... you?17:32
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timelE61iMy computers all don't like me atm, so it'll be a bit17:32
T3rmInAt0rjohnx, how am I supposed to do this? (I don't even know this command)17:32
* timelE61i hunts for onw17:32
rm_youjohnx: can you compile ABL-SVN and verify as resolved?17:32
rm_youjohnx: in mer17:32
johnxrm_you, sure, in a bit17:33
rm_youjohnx: kk thx17:33
rm_youjohnx: i'll be back in... like 12 hours17:33
T3rmInAt0rflasher --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset ????17:33
zsT3rmInAt0r: sudo flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R17:33
rm_youafter classes >_>17:33
T3rmInAt0r(almost right...)17:33
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rm_youas soon as classes quiet down a little I should have time to be here again :P17:34
johnx'later rm_you17:34
* rm_you runs17:35
T3rmInAt0rzs,  may I use flasher while the device is powered off?17:35
johnxyou follow the same instructions for flashing your device normally17:36
johnxexcept use the command line zs gave you17:36
wazd_n800RST38h, so you'll make it work someday and I should draw 84+?)17:37
T3rmInAt0rbash: flasher-3.0: command not found17:38
T3rmInAt0rwhat is wrong?17:38
johnxT3rmInAt0r, you need the flasher command17:38
infobotflashing is probably
T3rmInAt0rI download it17:38
T3rmInAt0ri am on the right directory17:39
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johnxok, then try: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R17:39
zsdid you missed ./ ?17:39
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T3rmInAt0rok johnx  you are rihgt17:39
T3rmInAt0rzs.... you didn't put it either :P :)17:40
RST38hwazd: Go for 83+ and 84+ by all means17:40
RST38hwazd: I should resolve the problem sooner or later17:40
zsT3rmInAt0r: sorry for that ;)17:40
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RST38hwazd: All the infrastructure for more models is already in and I even plan to do 8217:40
T3rmInAt0rnow that I have connected N810 and powert it on17:40
T3rmInAt0rit says something17:40
wazd_n800RST38h, got it)17:41
T3rmInAt0rKernel version...initfs version etc....17:41
johnxyou're in RD mode17:41
qwerty12That happens in rd-mode17:41
T3rmInAt0rresearch and develoment?17:41
T3rmInAt0rnow may I try17:42
T3rmInAt0rwhether the mer is installed?17:42
johnxanyways, boot into maemo, see if you ran out of free space, free up some space, then try mer again17:42
johnxbootmenu didn't install correctly at least17:42
T3rmInAt0rI have to programm diskUsage17:42
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zsT3rmInAt0r: have you got root access on device?17:43
johnxjust type df -h in X Terminal17:43
qwerty12Stskeeps, You should add an Maemo-Required-Free-Space tag to your control file for bootmenu.17:43
wazd_n800RST38h, cool17:43
T3rmInAt0rzs, yup17:44
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StsN800qwerty12, there's such a thing?17:44
qwerty12StsN800, yes17:44
qwerty12XB-Maemo-Required-Free-Space: <whatever>17:45
StsN800qwerty12, also i would love to but it seems my work laptop screencard may be fried..17:45
T3rmInAt0rand what should bother me?17:45
qwerty12Stskeeps, not having much luck with the laptops :(17:45
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johnxT3rmInAt0r, well, are you out of space on '/' or not?17:46
T3rmInAt0rthat's what I get17:46
johnxyou're essentially out of space17:46
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T3rmInAt0rthis one?17:46
T3rmInAt0rit is only 240MB17:46
johnxyes. the one mounted as /17:47
T3rmInAt0r(and mer itself created)17:47
T3rmInAt0r(i choosed simple install)17:47
johnxok, you still need to free up some space17:48
T3rmInAt0rfrom where?17:48
T3rmInAt0rThe deviced17:49
T3rmInAt0rwas flashed17:49
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T3rmInAt0rand I had installed only 2-3 apps17:49
T3rmInAt0rand then tried mer17:49
wazd_n800I'm off, later guys)17:49
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johnxwell, something is taking up space17:49
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T3rmInAt0rI followed this one
T3rmInAt0ronly the Nokia N8x0(W) - installer17:50
T3rmInAt0rwas I wrong?17:50
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Woolly-workon OSX, if I type in the terminal "open mailto:a@b.c" it will open a blank email using the default mailto URI handler. Is there a similar feature on maemo?17:51
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Mekxdg-open perhaps? not sure if maemo follows xdg standards...17:52
qwerty12Woolly-work, (to use modest - diablo's default client)17:52
T3rmInAt0rjohnx , If I reflash in diablo17:52
T3rmInAt0rand then mer17:53
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T3rmInAt0rIt would be fine, right?17:53
johnxT3rmInAt0r, yes, that should be fine17:53
T3rmInAt0rI'll try it :)17:53
johnxbut keep in mind mer is still aplha level software...17:53
Woolly-workqwerty12: you are a genius :)17:53
T3rmInAt0rbut it supports all the packages of17:53
qwerty12Woolly-work, :)17:54
johnxT3rmInAt0r, yup, just like easy debian :)17:54
Woolly-worknow if only i could pull this into python!17:54
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T3rmInAt0rok two more things17:54
Woolly-workI can send the message, and I get the loading email banner, but then the notification goes away, and nothing happens :(17:54
T3rmInAt0r1. now N810 is stacked in RD logo ....17:54
T3rmInAt0r2. After isntalling mer. just power off , and power on + menu button pressed until start mer?17:55
johnxafter you install mer you just need to restart normally and it will show you a menu17:55
johnxno need to hold any special buttons17:56
T3rmInAt0rrestart by terminal, or even "normally" by hand?17:56
qwerty12johnx, bootmenu?17:56
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johnxdoesn't make a difference17:56
T3rmInAt0rok thanx17:57
johnxqwerty12, yes?17:57
T3rmInAt0rhow about the 1?17:57
qwerty12johnx, you hold menu to get to the bootmenu which you can then boot mer from17:57
qwerty12the menu doesn't come up automatically17:57
johnxah17:57 does here...17:57
qwerty12odd, I've never had it come up automatically on any of my installs :/. I always get the press menu message17:58
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johnxyeah, I do too, then it comes up anyways17:58
johnxas for getting out of RD mode: sudo ./flasher-3 --disable-rd-mode17:58
T3rmInAt0rthanx alot!!!17:58
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Woolly-workqwerty12: do you have any idea on how to pythonise that dbus-send line?18:11
qwerty12os.system? :P18:11
Woolly-workhehe, without using os.system :D18:12
qwerty12I'm not that great on python-dbus :)18:12
Woolly-workahh cool, never mind:)18:12
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Woolly-workI'll open that question up to anyone then :P18:13
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Macerwell. judging by how much better my car is driving.. i would guess that i was a FEW thousand miles over on that oil change :)18:18
johnxyeah, oil is the one to be careful of18:19
Macerthe new wipers are nice too18:19
* Stskeeps cleans out his laptop now that he got it boting.18:19
Macerthe ability to actually wipe rain off the window :)18:19
Macerit's amazing haha18:19
johnxand you definitely want to be careful to make sure it has actual oil in it :)18:19
Maceri check it18:19
Macerit was a quart low a couple weeks ago.. and i don't think it was because it's losing it18:20
Maceri just think that it loss mass by turning into a solid haha18:20
johnxoil thieves?18:20
johnxit's probably burning a bit18:20
Maceryeah.. burning oil sucks though18:20
Macermeans i might have a hole in a ring18:20
johnxold seals18:21
johnxno great cause for concern18:21
johnxjust means you gotta be careful18:21
Macereither way. i have to bring it back anyways. i think my heater coil is messed up18:21
Macerblows out warm air but not hot18:21
Macerunless i punch it.. so maybe it's plugged up or maybe my pump is jacked up.. or maybe when i got a new serpentine belt. they ran it wrong.. who knows.. this is why i never chose to be a mechanic :)18:22
Maceri would love to disect the thing and do it all myself but i have to buy a 2nd putput first18:22
johnxyeah, troubleshooting is a huge PITA18:22
Maceri was looking at getting a metro or tracker for $300018:23
johnxsame with cars as it is with devices: project <noun> and daily use <noun>18:23
Maceras long as it runs i can go ahead and totally screw up my caprice18:23
johnxwhy not get a civic?18:23
Macerright now i'd buy anything that isn't a total piece of shit and runs18:23
Macerbut i'd at least rather have something that can make it in the snow18:23
johnxso that rules out metro and tracker...18:23
GeneralAntillesThen swap out the muffler for a Pringles can!18:23
Maceri had a metro in high school.. it never got stuck18:24
Macerwell.. except once when i tried to ram a giant pile of snow to get out of the alley coming out of the garage18:24
Macerbut i guess that's my own fault :)18:24
johnxah, I meant the 'not a piece of shit line' :)18:24
Maceryeah haha18:24
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Macerthey're all pieces of shit tho18:24
GeneralAntillesMetros are surprisingly (disturbingly?) reliable.18:24
Macerexcept my caprice.. i love my caprice18:24
RST38hThe Author's Guild claims that the new Kindle's text-to-speech software is illegal, stating that "They don't have the right to read a book out loud," said Paul Aiken, executive director of the Authors Guild.18:24
Maceri specifically went out just to get that car :)18:24
Macerbought it in CA .. had 60K on it.. some old guy owned it18:25
Macergod bless old people18:25
johnxwhatever floats your boat man...18:25
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you ever get to drive a Caprice?18:25
Macerheh.. they just don't make large cars like they used to.. i think the caprice was the last one18:25
johnxnah, just a malibu18:25
GeneralAntilles3G for the new Kindle was an interesting choice.18:25
johnxI should point out: late 70s smallblock V8 malibu :)18:26
Maceroh.. thought you meant the mid 90s piece of shit18:26
Macerlike what they did to the impala in the early 2000s18:26
johnxjust playing off the name18:26
Macerugh.. i was so disgusted at the new impala that i wanted to go to Chevy and kill the CEO18:26
johnxbrand necromancy18:26
Macerthey ruined the impala name with that total piece of shit18:26
Macerlike ford with their V6 mustangs18:26
Macerthey should have been ASHAMED18:27
johnxthere were always v6 mustangs :P18:27
Maceryeah.. but these were like.... piece of shit V6 mustangs18:27
RST38hYou would probably do Chevy's CEO a favor...18:27
johnxthe past ain't what it used to be...18:27
MacerRST38h: maybe18:27
Macerbut he can still fly in a lier to ask the govt for money18:28
GeneralAntillesMacer, Mustangs were always pieces of shit.18:28
Macerso on the personal level .. i don't think he is hurting as bad as he says he is18:28
GeneralAntillesIt's crazy that they went FWD with the Impala of all things. :\18:28
Macerhis company is.. not him :)18:28
johnxah, nm. they started as a straight 618:28
johnxbut still18:28
* RST38h has got an impression US cars were always pieces of shit18:28
MacerRST38h: i loved mid 90 impalas18:29
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johnxGeneralAntilles, they went FWD with the corolla and celica. that's what broke my heart18:29
Macerlove i should say. my buddy at work has a 96 impala ss18:29
Maceri want to steal it18:29
johnxRST38h, but some of the old ones were terrifyingly fast POSes :)18:29
* GeneralAntilles should unplung his keyboard before poking at it.18:29
aquatixGeneralAntilles: line noise!18:29
RST38hjohnx: notmuch interested in "fast", given how much time the car spends in traffic18:30
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johnxRST38h, yeah, and personally I think much over 130MPH is a waste even in the 'stupid testosterone fueled acts' category, but you've got to at least acknowledge that they made some scary fast cars back in the day :)18:31
RST38hjohnx: With those engines, shouldn't be a problem =018:31
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johnxespecially scary-fast because the suspensions and brakes just weren't there to support the speed, but that's besides the point18:31
t3rminat0r_johnx: man... I stil have the RD problem...18:32
RST38hjohnx: True tools of Darwin!18:32
t3rminat0r_I can't close it...:S18:32
johnxt3rminat0r_, read the help for flasher18:32
johnxanyways, it doesn't affect anything18:32
GeneralAntillesjohnx, this is the extreme of suspension/tires/brakes not being able to keep up with the speed:
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GeneralAntillesOld grand prix cars are terrifying.18:35
Macerfast speed an no brakes :) sounds like fun18:35
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johnxall fun and games until someone gets airborne :)18:35
t3rminat0r_johnx: ... I had plug off the wire... so any flasher command, doesn't respond....If I pull of the battery????18:35
RST38hGeneral: I have seen one of these smash into a lightpost, at 40mph18:35
Macernot airborne.... weightless :)18:35
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johnxt3rminat0r_, rd mode doesn't affect flashing or normal operation. what problem are you having?18:36
RST38hGeneral: No significant damage to the driver, they had to replace the lightpost18:36
t3rminat0r_it is still freezed on the RD image...18:36
t3rminat0r_Kernel info etc....18:36
GeneralAntillesNo tires, no brakes, bad aerodynamics, lots of power and you've got to get it around corners with a boat wheel.18:36
GeneralAntillesRST38h, no crumple zones. ;)18:37
johnxt3rminat0r_, it was booting normally last time I talked to you. what did you do?18:37
RST38hGeneral: Well, the engine crumpled very very well18:37
t3rminat0r_I pulled of the wire USB18:37
t3rminat0r_and now it is still18:37
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RST38hGeneral: Withlots of spare distance left to crumple, too18:37
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t3rminat0r_if I pull off the battery???? (is it a bad idea?)18:38
johnxwon't hurt anything18:38
johnxdid you already reflash diablo?18:38
t3rminat0r_since then18:38
t3rminat0r_I wait on the same freeze image...18:39
t3rminat0r_I will pull the battery now18:39
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t3rminat0r_(wish me luck)18:39
Macerhave to wait til like friday for this picoUPS to get in18:39
MacerShuttle KPC K45 psu sucked horribly and died after 4 months18:39
Woolly-workqwerty12: my friend and mentor :D have you discovered similar dbus-send functionality for pidgin? :D18:39
qwerty12Woolly-work, no, sorry, I don't use pidgin18:40
Macermore watts with less space18:40
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johnxrated watts != output watts :)18:40
Maceroutputs 12018:40
Woolly-workqwerty12: alrighty, thanks anyway :D18:41
Macerstock psu was 100.. and how that thing actually lasted 4 montsh i'll never know18:41
Macerthe small fan was spinning 293043208439238 rpms18:41
johnxWoolly-work, I searched pidgin dbus and found some hopeful results for python code :)18:41
Maceri think it grinded from the first day i turned it on18:42
johnxMacer, right but just because it says "120 watts" on the side doesn't mean it can actually output 120 watts18:42
Macerjohnx: it's a  picoUPS ;)18:42
johnxok? that somehow means that the company selling it is 100% honest?18:43
Woolly-workjohnx: that's what I've been looking at, but currently only stuff on getting information from pidgin using dBus18:43
Macerjohnx: of course not18:43
Macerbut it has no fan :)18:43
Macerit's just an adapter brick18:43
johnxah... no fan == guaranteed wattage output18:44
johnxgot it :)18:44
Maceri doubt i even need more than 70W18:44
Macerbut i'm sure it can at least hit 100 even if they have it rated to 12018:44
Stskeepsjohnx: picoPSU is actually scaringly powerful18:44
johnxyeah. I ate a 250W power supply, then switched down to a 200W and had no problems yet18:44
Stskeepsi have one in my office for the stuff we're doing18:44
MacerStskeeps: you get the plate for the slot?18:45
johnxI was getting computer brownouts, right down to flickering power LEDS :)18:45
StskeepsMacer: slot?18:45
Macerfor the circle part to plug it in18:45
Stskeepsah, dont think so18:45
Macerit's a $2 plate with a circle drilled into it18:45
Macerwhat did you do.. just run the cable out the case?18:45
johnxWoolly-work, :)18:46
StskeepsMacer: yeah, and we have a professor in industrial design on staff so he tinkers..18:46
johnxyou get all the fun professors to play with :P18:46
Macerah :) i see18:46
Maceryah.. mine were prunes18:46
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Stskeepsjohnx: the more theoretical people could drink me under the table though18:47
Woolly-workthanks johnx18:47
Maceralthough i think my humanities professor wanted to have sex with all the guys at one time18:47
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Macershe had that 60yr old dirty librarian look about her18:47
* Myrtti takes few steps away from Macer18:48
* Stskeeps ponders idly where his newly acquired 74gb backup space came from18:48
Maceri'm still pissed my english professor gave me a B... she actually took showing up into consideration18:48
Macernever no mind i breezed through her course's work18:49
Stskeepsi guess getting my zfs setup to be raidz 120gb-120gb-160gb from 74gb-120gb-160gb18:49
t3rminat0r_johnx:  I can't find the site for flashing18:49
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infobotrumour has it, flashing is
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zst3rminat0r_: what site?18:50
Stskeepsjohnx: solca's going to attempt with a mer port to the ADP1 btw (G1, the developer version)18:50
MacerOver 96% efficiency18:50
johnxah, neat18:50
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zs this?18:51
Macerthose rotten false advertisers18:51
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AndrewFBlackwell I lost my Nokia 9300 on ebay today the price went to high for me19:00
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AndrewFBlackOver $100 for a 3 year old used phone lol19:00
Macerordered a K45 panel for a slimdvd19:01
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thopiekarhey.. I'm trying to build a package but I get this message always..19:06
thopiekarNo rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/'.19:07
qwerty12apt-get install quilt19:07
Stskeepsmeh, seems like my tasks for mer 0.8 will .. be done through mer, on the mertop :P19:07
Stskeeps:curses his laptop:\19:07
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* thopiekar 's N800 is now at dug, a nokia certificated repair shop19:10
thopiekarqwerty12: thanks it works19:10
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johnxStskeeps, hard drive dying or what?19:12
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Stskeepsjohnx: im not sure really19:12
Stskeepsit often doesnt show bios bootup screen either19:12
* thopiekar is repacking streamripper for maemo4.1 with fresh dependences...19:13
Stskeepsim working on erasing out stuff and then im handing it in for repair at my work19:13
johnxah, nice19:13
johnxah, had something similar happen to a friend's laptop and it was actually a faulty inverter attached to the LCD I believe19:13
johnxworked fine on an external monitor though19:14
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* GeneralAntilles had to replace the inverter on a PowerBook recently.19:20
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GeneralAntillesApple laptops aren't very much fun to work on.19:21
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johnxthe white macbooks showed a termporary change in that trend, but that new 17" pro doesn't look user serviceable...19:22
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T3rmyjohnx.... man somethink is wrong with the N810...19:25
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T3rmyI try to connect it with my rooter19:25
T3rmyand it doesn't connect19:25
T3rmy(even with free access)19:25
johnxdoes it boot now?19:25
T3rmyyes. it boot in maemo19:25
johnxdid you reflash diablo?19:26
T3rmyI try it19:26
T3rmybut it even19:26
T3rmydoes'nt recognize the USB cable....19:26
johnxmake sure you use the USB cable from Nokia and keep trying19:26
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fuzzybunny_901anyone heard of whisper of MerMer19:37
fuzzybunny_901for nokia19:38
fuzzybunny_901itouch os hack19:38
qwerty12I think daperl was pulling your leg.19:38
johnxmermer? don't they make guitars?19:39
fuzzybunny_901too bad19:39
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fuzzybunny_901im still getting that "sd card in use" error with install tools(KDE)19:40
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fuzzybunny_901i think i have 43-719:41
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fuzzybunny_901any help? i have an 80019:43
johnxwe hear you19:44
johnxmight be good to include as much info as you can. if you already posted on itt, just give us a link. if not just put the whole error on pastebin and link it here19:46
johnxI don't think many people here use KDE on their tablets though...19:46
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fuzzybunny_901i just thought id try it19:46
fuzzybunny_901im actually at school so it migh take a while to post the log19:48
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AndrewFBlackfuzzybunny_901, shouldn't you be learning and not playing on irc :)19:48
fuzzybunny_901im actually not in class at the  moment19:49
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fuzzybunny_867u got it19:56
johnxno. I didn't. all I got was "fuzzybunny_901 has quit (Excess Flood)"19:56
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infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
* qwerty12 remembers someone doing that to me over pm on irc :P19:57
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fuzzybunny_766how do i use?19:58
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wazd_n800RST38h, around?19:58
johnxfuzzybunny_766, you go to the site, and paste something, then click submit and give me the link19:59
johnxneed that pastebin link again?20:00
johnxok. thanks20:00
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johnxdo you have some file from your internal sd card open? is your tablet connected to a computer by USB?20:02
fuzzybunny_766not when i install20:02
fuzzybunny_766but i have to go now20:02
fuzzybunny_766will u be online tonight20:03
johnxbefore you try again try formatting your card so it's blank to start with20:03
johnxwill be asleep then at work20:03
fuzzybunny_766ok thanx again20:03
wazd_n800does anybody knows Ti 84+ screen resolution?20:03
johnxsure, no problem, later20:03
qwerty12wazd_n800, wikipedia says 96×6420:03
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wazd_n800hmm, seems like it's different from Ti 85,8620:05
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wazd_n8004:3 or something20:06
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wazd_n800yep, Ti 85 is 128x6420:08
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wazd_n800thanks qwerty12 )20:09
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wazd_n800Ti 84+ is very extravagant device)20:15
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wazd_n800so much curves to draw20:15
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fuzzybunny_496im stuck in limbo20:20
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ZicWhere is located usb-host package for OS2008? I can't find it...20:43
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johnxto enable usb host mode. look for usb otg or usbcontrol20:44
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johnxor here:
Zicyes, but I tried and it says "incompatible app"20:46
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johnxZic, tried the usb otg plugin?20:47
johnxthat's what I'm using right now20:47
johnxyou're on the latest OS2008 release, right?20:47
Zicjohnx: I don't want to have a permanent applet in the statusbar, is it what usb-otg-plugin provides ?20:47
Zicjohnx: yeah :)20:48
johnxyeah, it's a permanent applet20:48
johnxbut you can just remove it when not in use :P20:48
johnxas for usbcontrol20:48
Zican applet or an icon on the statusbar ?20:48
johnxyes, it's a 'statusbar applet'20:49
Stskeepsnow, am i silly for wanting usb rescue menu for my tablet and able to g_file_storage the internal hd?20:50
johnxah, macs had that20:50
johnxfirewire target disk mode20:50
Stskeepsscaringily, this -does- have firewire..20:51
johnxanyone can say whatever they want about macs but doing support for about 50 macs was the same as the workload for about 15 PCs20:51
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Stskeepsmy bios screen doesnt come up20:52
Stskeeps-but xubuntu does-20:52
johnxit's that old xubuntu magic20:53
johnxis the LCD slow turning on maybe?20:53
johnxif you attach it to an external LCD does the BIOS show up there?20:53
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Stskeepsah. i have the answer whats broken21:13
Stskeepsthe cpu fan.21:13
Stskeepsits not supposed to sound like a fish flabbering around in a bucket.21:13
johnxyou're right. mine sounds more like a squirrel and some rocks in a shoebox falling down the stairs...21:15
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RST38hSo what's new and exciting tonight?21:19
Stskeepsim cleaning out my tablet to send it in for repairs while it still runs :P21:20
ShadowJKWhat did you do to it?21:20
Stskeepsnot sure21:20
RST38hwow, what happened?21:20
ShadowJKOr rather, waht's broken? :P21:20
johnxthe pandora forums are down. yesterday was Japan's "National Foundation Day"21:20
Stskeepssuddenly the fan started acting up21:20
Stskeepserr.. not tablet21:20
Stskeepsjesus, whats with me tonight21:20
RST38hMore snow.21:20
MyrttiStskeeps: here, have a cup of coffee21:20
StskeepsMyrtti: i just had one :P21:20
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: too much nokia hacking ;)21:20
Stskeepsso now im on my mertop and chatting from there.21:21
* RST38h found a wiki with TI83 info21:21
Stskeepsosso-xterm on what, 14 inch, is nice.21:21
Stskeepscertainly doesnt hurt your eyes..21:21
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MacerStskeeps: ok21:21
Macergoing to install this mer stuff now :)21:22
Stskeepshehe, good21:22
Macerwhere do i get it?21:22
qwerty12_N800Although hildon-desktop is a bitch, I thought it was my code or the gcc opts I'm using to compile the library were shit - no, it's the fucking desktop file21:22
StskeepsMacer: , click Releases, i think21:22
qwerty12_N800.. that was making  cpl segfault21:22
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StskeepsMyrtti: curious, what theme and OS version do you use on your 770?21:23
Macerit works right?21:23
MyrttiStskeeps: IT2008HE and I guess it's the default one as I usually manage to crash it before changing the theme21:24
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RST38hSts: THAT bug!21:25
Myrttiif I try to launch about any app before OMWeather has updated the weather info, the damn thing crashes21:25
Myrttiie. reboots21:25
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johnxMyrtti, tried using a swap file and installing 'seatbelt'?21:26
Myrttijohnx: sure, and no21:26
johnxit's supposed to tweak memory allocation to prevent crashes21:26
Myrttidoesn't matter anyway, as soon as I get my hands on my n800, the 770 is going to get Mer innit21:27
Myrttin800: 32 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes and counting21:28
johnxout for repair or ...?21:28
Macergoing to wipe my maemo sd for this21:28
Macerhope it works21:28
Stskeepsll see21:28
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Maceri don't use it much anyways21:29
Myrttijohnx: I bought it from a Jaiku friend, but since he lives in UK, my bf paid it and it was delivered to his address. I'm going to UK in 32 days anyway so no use of mailing it to me21:29
Macerinstalling bootmenu...21:29
Myrtti(bf lives in uk as well)21:29
johnxeep. reminds me that I have to get the shipping address for my pandora changed...21:30
Macer"merinstaller" ?21:30
Macerthat is interesting.. will be nice if this all does it on its own21:30
qwerty12_N800johnx: don't worry, you'll have years to do it...21:30
johnxqwerty12_N800, and you'll have years to save for an n900. With the GBP as it is it should be a coupple grand, right?21:31
Macerhad the damn swap partition going21:32
Macerhave to disable it and reboot and try again :)21:32
qwerty12_N800then Nokia have just priced themselves out of a market...21:32
johnxand into a different one?21:33
Myrttiqwerty12_N800: or the GBP gone down the drain21:33
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MacerStskeeps: will there be plans to put mer on the n8x0 as default onto the internal flash once it is a little more stable?21:35
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johnxMacer, look further down the same page you downloaded from :)21:35
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Macerjohnx: heh.. sorry.. got to file.install and quit reading :)21:35
Maceri'm installing it now21:35
johnxheh :) no worries. but yeah, there's a flash image too21:36
Maceri wouldn't do it just yet.. i need to try it out21:36
johnxin my case I'll probably always be booting from SD card simple for space reasons21:36
Macerbut i will look into it if it works well21:36
Macerjohnx: well.. if it is like linux.. wouldn't you just be able to mount the space?21:36
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* Macer pictures mounting internal and external sd partitions 21:37
thopiekarsilly debian! I want to build texlive but it depens on findutils and findutils depends on dejagnu, which depends on texlive.. how can I break.. the wall of dependences?21:37
johnxwell yeah, but why bother having one system that depends on both things working perfectly when I can sacrifice 256MB for redundancy?21:37
Macermer-armel-n800-image-v0.7.tar.gz is 140M?21:38
johnxthopiekar, what architecture do you have that doesn't have a texlive package?21:38
Macerdoes it have built in dev tools or something?21:38
Jaffajohnx: Maemo doesn't have one IIRC21:38
thopiekarjohnx: armel...^^21:39
thopiekars/armel/maemo.diablo(armel) @ sb121:40
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Macer2.5 mins until this mer download is done21:40
JaffaVDVsx : You want your URL to be, not
Macerlet me see if UPS brought some of my K45 parts21:40
thopiekarfinally i need texlive for chromium-bsu (a space game)21:40
Maceri need my damn K45 parts :)21:40
VDVsxJaffa, thanks21:41
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JaffaVDVsx: I've set up a redirect since the former's been distributed21:41
infobotJaffa meant: VDVsx: I've set up a redirect since the latter's been distributed21:41
Jaffa for reference21:42
* Jaffa foods21:42
VDVsxJaffa, good :)21:42
Macerit showed up21:42
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Macerthank god. i thought this stupid face plate crap wouldn't come with the slim dvd burner screws21:44
RST38hMacer: You should sell your K45 for $50 to a stranger! =)21:47
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Stskeepsshould i be scared i could actually consider using mer day-to-day on a laptop? :P21:49
* qwerty12_N800 couldn't, matchbox sucks with it's one window policy21:50
johnxat this point: maybe a little21:50
Stskeepson the other hand, i am doing a shitload less task switches21:50
johnxmillions of windows users do the same thing anyways21:50
Stskeepsand i concentrate on the job at hand21:50
RST38hMy screen also has one window policy though21:51
RST38h^A n - and I am in a different window21:51
RST38hno problems so far =)21:51
Stskeepshehe. true, i do double it with21:51
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lcukanyone know how i get grep to work recursively?21:54
keesjgrep -r sadf *21:54
MacerRST38h: no way21:54
* Stskeeps starts up mauku on mertop.21:54
Maceri love it... if the stock psu wasn't such a piece of crap21:54
wndif you want to grep dotfiles in $CWD too, use "grep -r foo ." instead21:55
RST38hlcuk: -r21:55
lcukta guys :)21:55
RST38hMacer: Just a few days ago, you cursed K45, Shuttle, and Chinese in general21:55
* RST38h remembers everything21:55
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Macerof course.. the cheap chinese psu died21:56
Macerbut it wasn't really that it was chinese or that it broke.. it is just that it was made to break21:56
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Macermeaning.. the thing came out with very little quality control and a disgusting sounding fan right off the bat21:57
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johnxRST38h, you remember everything? the internet must be a very traumatizing place for you...21:57
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Macerin the end though i believe we blamed it all on ourselves? :)21:58
Macerjohnx: (he must be chinese)21:58
Macerkind of like when black people hear the N-word21:58
RST38hjohnx: I only remember information I can later use to blackmail people =)21:59
johnxdoesn't really narrow it down22:00
RST38hjohnx: it does, if you consider things everybody does as unsuitable for blackmail22:00
* Stskeeps ponders if this thing runs openttd.22:00
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* RST38h sitll wonders how to play OpenTTD, after all this time22:01
Stskeepsopenttd is brilliant. ive played TT since i was like 15 or something :P22:01
* johnx farms out compiles to machines in other countries22:01
qwerty12_N800outsourcing :>22:03
Macerso after bootmenu is done22:03
Maceri can reboot and start mer?22:03
Stskeepsdid you install bootmenu first?22:03
Stskeepsand then install mer22:03
Macerno.. i just ran the mer installer22:04
RST38hPalmOS ROP22:04
Macerand it just finished installing bootmenu22:04
StskeepsMacer: then run the utilities -> install bootmenu22:04
Maceralthough i did already have bootmenu installled22:04
Macerah.. ok22:04
Stskeepsit only updates the bootmenu config in installer22:04
Stskeepsyou need the spezuhl deblet bootmenu so :P22:04
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Macerstrange.. why do i have deblet options after the install?22:06
Stskeepscos you had those items in your rootfs probably22:07
Maceri have a mer boot screen .. nice logo22:07
Macernice looking boot screen actually22:07
Stskeepswazds :)22:07
Macerseems like there is a graph that is supposed to be moving but it looks kind of stuck towards the beginning22:07
Macerah.. there it goes :)22:07
Stskeepsit is a bit slow starting but so it goes22:07
Maceryeah.. it is taking quite a while22:08
Maceri like the boot screen though22:08
Macerwow.. this takes an extremely long time :)22:08
Stskeepswe aren22:08
Stskeepst that optimized yet22:09
Macerwhat are the other deblet options for?22:09
Maceri couldn't help but notice that it boot off p322:09
Stskeepsyou have tried to install deblet before22:09
Stskeepsand hence the boot configuration was resident in the rootfs still22:09
Macerlong time ago... thought i wiped it though22:09
Stskeepsand copied into your initfs22:09
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Macerwell.. that sucks :)22:09
Macerhave to get rid of that some day22:10
Stskeepsyou can remove them in rootfs /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.d22:10
Macerah.. i will work on that stuff once this thing boots22:10
Maceralmost half way across the screen with the graph ;) is there a way to see what it's doing while it boots?22:11
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Macerlike hit the home key to get rid of the splash?22:11
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Macerand watch what it's doing?22:11
Stskeepsyeah, hold down home key when it boots initially and select in the rescue menu22:11
Macercrap.. heh22:11
Macerwish i asked sooner .. don't want to stop it now22:12
MacerWELL... let me go ahead and like.... smoke a cigarette and hopefully it will be done when i get back22:12
Stskeepsits taking longer than i expected it would :P22:12
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timelE61iWhere do control panel bugs go?22:14
andre__timelE61i, settings and maintenance > control panel22:15
andre__comments about both fremantle and diablo welcome. you know... ;-)22:15
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* Stskeeps should probably upgrade the mer control panel22:17
Macerok dude22:17
Maceri am starting to suspect that something is wrong here22:17
Macerit has been stuck at the same spot for like 4 minutes22:18
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StskeepsMacer: hmm. reboot and enable console mode22:18
Stskeeps(pop ze battery)22:18
Macerhave to22:18
timelE61iandre: no comments abouit frem, no idea if it works22:18
timelE61iAnd i don't care22:18
timelE61iMy mer now runs most apps from diablo22:19
Stskeepsmer control panel is the fremantle one btw, just not very updated22:19
Macerhm... ok22:20
Macerthe kernel flew by... and now i'm at just a screen with the background from the splash22:20
timelE61iSts: but these are applets22:20
StskeepstimelE61i: ah22:21
Maceroh.. m.. it's making an ssh dsa key22:21
Stskeepswell thats normal22:21
timelE61iClicking ok in date and time seems to crash cpl22:21
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Stskeepswell if its on top of mer, i am inclined to think most things will break :P22:22
Stskeepsi am positively surprised when anything works, really22:22
Macerwell... i just put in usernames and passwords22:23
Macerso i guess that first bad boot was a fluke?22:23
Stskeepsyeah, i guess so22:23
Stskeepssolar flare or something22:23
Macerwow.. this looks amazingly maemo22:24
Macerwell.. hildon i should say22:24
Stskeepsthe theme is actually not the one from maemo :P22:24
Stskeepsits a similar one, made by zenvoid, but it has some nice things for non-hildon apps22:24
Macerwell.. the theme is nicer ;)22:24
Maceri'm wondering what this thing is doing now22:24
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johnxmakes it more exciting22:25
Maceronly panels ?22:25
StskeepsMacer: our strings arent exactly finished, yeah22:25
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StskeepsMacer: no control panels yet, all of the nokia ones are closed, so :P22:25
johnxmer features: more action!!22:25
Stskeepsexcept for panels.. for some strange reason22:26
qwerty12_N800Themes will be there soon (in a knockoff form) ;)22:26
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Maceri was expecting it to be a little farther along than this :)22:26
RST38hAlways wrong thing to assume about Linux distros22:27
johnxthe parts that are farther along are the parts that are harder to see :)22:27
RST38hYea, that is also usual22:27
StskeepsMacer: 2 months you know..22:27
Maceryeah.. the base looks nice22:28
Macermight want to throw a wifi manager in there somewhere :)22:28
johnxit's in the statusbar. just tap22:29
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johnxbut I'm off to sleep now22:29
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Macerthat's what that is :)22:29
johnxhopefully I'll get a chance to work on zaurus imager at work tomorrow :>22:30
Macerwhay do i have 2 menus on the left now?22:30
StskeepsMacer: known issue, is in sprints list :P22:30
Macerhow do i get rid of one? :)22:30
Macerit's gnawing at my soul haha22:30
Stskeepstwo is better than one..22:30
Maceronly if they are different22:31
Macer2 here is redundant :)22:31
Stskeepsyou are denying the argument of twin girls? :P22:31
Macerspecial circumstance22:31
lcukone for each hand22:32
lcukummm finger22:32
Macerit looks good Stskeeps22:32
* lcuk goes back to bein poorly22:32
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Macerminus the 2 menus an the "!!" s22:32
StskeepsMacer: the amazing part is really not the interface. the amazing synergy comes when you try to install ubuntu stuff. or enable red pill and show all packages22:33
Stskeepsand your tablet goes to a grinding halt for a while, while it sorts and indexes most of ubuntu..22:33
Stskeepsand you can use most of it quite directly22:33
Macerwell.. right now i'm still looking on how to get rid of the 2nd menu :)22:33
Stskeeps.osso/ somewhere probably22:33
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Macer.osso only has on applications.menu22:36
Macerhow do i reboot the thing? do i have to do it from a term?22:37
Stskeepssudo reboot from perm22:38
Maceryeah... already did it22:38
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Macerthe 2 menus just stay there?22:39
Macersts.. you have a wiki on how to fix this issue with the 2 menus?22:39
Macershit like that drives me nuts :)22:39
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StskeepsMacer: nop, im stuck with two too atm22:42
Macerctrl dosn't work in the term?22:42
Stskeepsyeah, that too22:42
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Stskeepsthere -are quirks-, but on the other hand, this is a big construction spot22:42
T3rmyI have just installed MER and it is superb!!!!!22:42
Stskeepswe are basically tearing apart most of maemo and fitting it back together22:42
T3rmythanx to all developers22:42
StskeepsT3rmy: did you try sudo apt-get install php5-mysql yet? :P22:42
T3rmy:) :)22:43
T3rmyI have already installed the whole server22:43
T3rmyand it works great22:43
T3rmybut one more thing....22:43
T3rmyany good web browser?22:43
Macerok... go ing to wait for .822:43
Macerin the meantime i'll try android out for this thing22:43
T3rmyI have the server but not the browser :S22:43
Maceri can't live with the 2 menus22:43
StskeepsT3rmy: sudo apt-get install midori; reboot22:43
Macerthat shit will drive me nuts22:43
StskeepsMacer: sadly(?) 0.8 will be a bit of a boring release, but yeah22:44
Stskeeps0.9 will hopefully be more exciting22:44
Macerhey.. if you fix the 2 menu thing22:44
Maceri'll be happy :)22:44
Macerit is very nice22:44
Maceri like the theme and the way it displays things.. it is prettier than stock hildon22:44
Stskeepsyou should have seen when we didnt have this theme..22:44
Macerdid it have 4 menus? :-D22:45
Stskeepsjust plankton theme instead22:45
Maceryou might want to make a special mer icon looking thing for the applications menu22:45
Macermaybe the logo you use for the booting22:45
* Macer points at the windows vista windows symbol menu and grins22:46
T3rmyStskeeps: I also noticed that in fennec22:46
T3rmywhen I tried to insert number22:46
T3rmyI could'nt...22:46
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Macerbut Stskeeps .. it really is amazing for 2 months of work22:47
Maceri especially like the boot menu thing you have going on that gives you choices to do things by holding the home key22:47
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StskeepsT3rmy: n810?22:50
Stskeepsknown issue22:50
Stskeepsworking on it atm22:50
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T3rmy(and also where is the power off button?)22:50
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T3rmyhow may I restart????22:51
T3rmythe power button doesn't22:51
T3rmywork :S22:51
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StskeepsT3rmy: terminal, sudo reboot22:53
T3rmycan't I show up the screen-keyboard?22:54
Stskeepsyes you can, as far as i know22:54
Stskeepstap the console22:54
T3rmyin console22:55
T3rmyin fennec?22:55
Maceri'm guessing you don't have repositories by default?22:56
Maceri just switched to red pill mode22:56
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T3rmyMacer: talking to me?22:56
Macerand don't have new things to install haha22:56
T3rmyMacer: talking to me?22:57
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StskeepsMacer: did you enable the22:57
Stskeepsshow all packages thing in tools -> settings22:58
Stskeepsor something22:58
Macerdon't see that option anywhere22:58
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Stskeepsmm, well it comes when you active red pill, for the session23:01
Maceri did activate it23:01
Macerok.. it just popped up.. wierd23:02
Macerugh.. this 2nd menu is irking the shit out of me :)23:03
Macerthis would be very awesome if it wasn't there anymore :)23:03
Macershould have installed the power monitor first23:04
Macerit's updating the reps now23:04
Stskeepsthe load applet thing is in top23:04
Maceri have to seriously figure out a way to get rid of one of these damn menus though.. it's like driving a car with a broken rearview mirror23:04
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: can you delete hildon-theme-selector?23:05
Maceris the menu a process?23:05
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: source and everything?23:06
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yep. I've got it here & I've added the control panel applet. I'm just generating the changelog entry.23:07
StskeepsMacer: think you might need to restart hildon for it to act nicely, not sure. find what causes it and we will fix it in a heartbeat :P23:07
Macerlet me install a few things on it first and see if i can fix it23:07
Maceri'm still waiting for the reps to update23:07
Macerin red pill mode ... i'm guessing this will take quite a while heh23:08
Macerthen i'll restart hildon and see what happens23:08
Macerthis will actually be great once i'm able to get rid of this 2nd menu23:08
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: done23:10
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Macerso just killall -HUP hildon-desktop ?23:11
Macerwow.. these are a lot of pkgs23:12
Macerok... will try it once this is done updating23:13
Macerlooks like it might take a while heh23:14
Stskeepsi dont think HAM was even built for that23:14
Maceri think killall -HUP hildon-desktop was not a good thing haha23:15
Macerlooks like i am going to ahve another pull the battery moment :)23:16
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Macernope.. still 2 menus23:18
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Macerjust had a crash :) for raising the volume of the sound?23:20
Stskeepsno sound23:20
Stskeepsalso, dont touch rotation23:20
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Macerhaha.. Stskeeps .. it looks very good.. and a very probable replacement for maemo23:22
Macerbut it is way too immature for actual use23:22
Stskeepswell, on tablets23:22
Stskeepsand i agree, we have a way to go23:22
Stskeepsbut what we have accomplished so far, is impressive23:22
Stskeepsi mean, timeless has actually put most of diablo on top :P23:22
Macerit really is very nice... and has a ton of potential23:22
Stskeepsi am sitting and chatting from you from Mer on my Via C3 1ghz laptop.23:23
Macerbut i am going to try android out ;)23:23
Maceruntil mer gets nicer23:23
Maceryou might want to make the install program wipe the bootmenu data on a fresh install23:23
Maceror give the option to do so23:23
Stskeepsnah, its intentional we only touch our own23:24
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Stskeepswhen we get the clone to SD people to use bootmenu.d..23:24
Maceri see... but it would be nice for a freestyle mindless install23:24
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Stskeepsyeah, admittedly23:27
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Stskeepsbut the idea is that we dont want to wipe others bootmenu data, cos thats what everyone else does, we want a grub-like menu :P23:27
Maceri see23:28
Macerwell.. i'm going to wipe my sd now23:29
Stskeepshave fun23:29
Macerand work on getting android on it although from what i can tell.. it's even more of a pain23:29
Macerddid you guys give up on deblet?23:29
Macerand focus strictly on mer?23:29
qwerty12_N800Did solca get the kexec stuff in nitdroid btw?23:30
StskeepsMacer: mer is the successor of deblet so23:31
Stskeepsand mer can do most things deblet would have been able to, so23:31
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StskeepsT3rmy: if you are still around, you should try sudo apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot, and see if it helps on Fn problems.23:34
T3rmyStskeeps: I will do it now23:35
T3rmysomething more23:35
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T3rmydo you know if in midori in any text box may I turn on the scren keyboard?23:36
Stskeepsno clue23:36
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Stskeepslo b-man23:36
Stskeepsthat bad?23:36
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b-man|soakedi had to walk a mile in heavy rain :P23:37
Stskeepsi had my tablet and a laptop along in the worst rain storm ive ever been in.. im surprised they both survived that trip23:38
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b-man|soakedi mostly had to walk because my parents never showed up at my practice :P23:39
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Interocitorhaha pwned23:39
Interocitormy parents always showed up at mine :)23:40
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b-man|soakedmine too, but not today :P23:41
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b-man|soakedStskeeps: btw, i'll try building those blueman packages today, i was having technical issues yesterday and i wasn't able to build them :\23:42
Stskeepsb-man|soaked: hehe, its fine, i had them conflict with our gtk i think23:42
Stskeepsb-man|soaked: btw, i have built a new -evdev package, it may solve your Fn problems on n810 too23:43
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b-man|soakedcool :)23:43
b-man|soakedhello, qwerty12_N800 :)23:43
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i think you added a space in the front of your message23:43
Stskeepsand then the builder didnt pick it up23:43
qwerty12_N800hi b-man|soaked :)23:44
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: damn :/23:44
* Stskeeps grrs at ports.ubuntu.com23:46
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: 1) can you check if your imager has kernel-diablo-modules in foundations/mer, if not, 2) see if kernel-diablo-modules are no longer in the resulting image, btw23:53
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T3rmyStskeeps: we' ve got a problem...23:53
Stskeepsthen i can make another thing green23:53
* b-man|soaked trys adding a navigation menu to to see how it looks23:53
T3rmyafter  apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev; reboot23:53
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T3rmyI can't boot in mer :S23:53
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Stskeepshow far does it get?23:54
T3rmyit completed the whole procedure23:55
Stskeepsand it only installed evdev right?23:55
r2d2rogersStskeeps: I got an error on trying to install HAM last run23:55
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: oh, right, yeah23:55
Stskeepsim working on that atm23:55
T3rmyBroadcast message from tmpt@tmpt-tablet23:55
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T3rmywas the last message23:55
T3rmy(sorry for the flood)23:55 doesn't work under maemo/microb23:55
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b-man|soakedT3rmy: everyone floods this channel sometimes ;)23:56
StskeepsT3rmy: mm, enable rescue menu (hold down home key), and select the console item23:56
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T3rmyin maemo?23:58

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