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| Stskeeps | we really need to figure out what freaks out maemo-select-location | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | aisleriot.. | 00:01 |
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| timeless | stskeeps; oh, that's easy | 00:02 |
| timeless | well, basically for the console flavor | 00:02 |
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| timeless | hildon apps do not do well w/o the env vars all properly set | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it launched through dbus? | 00:03 |
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| timeless | not if it's in a postinst script | 00:04 |
| timeless | which is how it is in the normal apt case | 00:04 |
| timeless | (from a console) | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah - im installing through HAM now though | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | and its stalling | 00:04 |
| timeless | yeah, that side, i dunno | 00:04 |
| timeless | afaict, it's always hanging | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You sure it's not maemo-launcher messing around? | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (if the Mer one uses it, maemo one does) | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | always a possibility.. | 00:05 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | qwerty12_N800: did you ever had issues with your device? | 00:07 |
| thopiekar_N800 | like mine with the screen? | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | issues is a bit general & I have no idea what your screen problem us | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/us/is/ | 00:08 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: issues is a bit general & I have no idea what your screen problem is | 00:08 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | thanks infobot xP | 00:09 |
| thopiekar_N800 | qwerty12_N800: i mean, whether it was needed to send it in to nokia because of hadware problems.. | 00:11 |
| * Stskeeps eyes a liqbase in extras | 00:11 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've never sent my tablet back to nokia. | 00:11 |
| thopiekar_N800 | so no screen problems etc? | 00:12 |
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| zenvoid | I wonder why I have 2 app laucher plugins at the left panel... | 00:12 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, theres been a liqbase in extras all along | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: known issue | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nope. calibration is a little weird but that's only after getting pissed off at browserd and smashing my tablet against the wall | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: damnit, canvas XSP raw mouse init failed :P | 00:13 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ok, thanks :) is there a bug database somewhere? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | we have bugs.maemo.org product Mer, and the sprints and release page note them | 00:13 |
| * thopiekar_N800 wonders why his tablet gets fuc**d up.. | 00:13 | |
| lcuk | do you want the new build which compiles for x86? | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | and gcc4 | 00:14 |
| lcuk | and has a prettier titlebar | 00:14 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | or could it be a driver issue? | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar_N800: i think i saw new weird stuff with the new Xomap once | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | a little like yours | 00:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, to build it, in the makefile - remove "-lXsp and remove the -DUSEMAEMO | 00:15 |
| thopiekar_N800 | maybe flashing could fix it.. | 00:15 |
| lcuk | it will probably still fail though | 00:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I can't believe you did THAT! | 00:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Smashing your preciousss against the wall? Horror! | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it was driving me crazy, what was I to do? :p | 00:16 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 isn't known for keeping things in good condition | 00:17 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: smack your cat with a flipper? | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | wb daperl | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, heh, maybe not :p | 00:17 |
| daperl | just making sure I have xchat setup | 00:18 |
| thopiekar_N800 | so i should reflash my device before sending it in ? | 00:20 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar_N800: probably | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | test if it continues afterwards | 00:21 |
| thopiekar_N800 | ok.. | 00:21 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | lcuk: seems that you are from germany right? | 00:25 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | liqbase uses a map of berlin.. | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | wb wazd2 | 00:27 |
| wazd2 | hey) | 00:27 |
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| wazd | Watching Grammy :) | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar_N800, no, im from manchester england. i put the map in there because i went to the summit. the first time i went to berlin (for linuxtag) i got lost on the trains and was terrified of not having a way home | 00:29 |
| lcuk | so i used the map on liqbase to study whilst i was writing the pic panning code | 00:30 |
| thopiekar_N800 | aah ok :D | 00:31 |
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| thopiekar_N800 | good night | 00:37 |
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| Corsac | onion: hey, is “mapper” still maintained? | 00:52 |
| Corsac | on the n810 I don't seem to be able to search for addresses, I tried to build it on my box but it doesnt finish, I corrected one or two errors myself but there are more, so I'm wondering | 00:53 |
| Lamo | my browser on my nokia n810 has become unbearably slow for some reason. Is there anyway to reinstall it? or maybe speed it somehow? im using adblock and flash bock with it only. | 00:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, can you test http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/_GTK_READ_RCFILES_test & see if it doesn't segfault in mer? | 00:58 |
| wazd | whoa, Plant kicked youth's ass :) | 00:58 |
| wazd | nice) | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sorry, already in bed | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, no problems :). found a python snippet that does the same thing | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If i combine that (and it works) with timeless's stuff, we may have a theme switcher of sorts | 01:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds good | 01:07 |
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| lardman | does anyone happen to know if a GStreamer pipeline is always in a separate thread to the main() fn? | 01:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, do we have vmware images btw? | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | yessir | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | vmdk | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wicked, thanks :). i'll grab tomorrow for my windows vmware install, having no wifi on my N800 has put a dampener on testing in Mer on N800 :) | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | vmdk is great testing in | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | as its mostly same code running | 01:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | and all i want to do is get a python & perl script running :) | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:13 |
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| Sargun | they wiped my baby. | 01:23 |
| Sargun | They being nokia repair, and my baby being my n810 | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | whats the best dictation software for maemo | 01:44 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 02:28 |
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| Sargun_Screen | I must ask why did they flash my tablet with chinook | 02:46 |
| Sargun_Screen | they're eevil, they are plotting against me. | 02:47 |
| Macer | hm | 02:49 |
| Macer | i don't think there is an infrastructure client for esxi for osx yet | 02:49 |
| Macer | that sucks | 02:49 |
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| Thanatermesis | what repositories i should use if i want to have all the possible packages avilable ? | 03:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanatermesis, | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 03:18 |
| infobot | from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 03:18 |
| alan_peery | This article is probably relevant: http://maemo.org/community/council/on_repositories/ | 03:19 |
| lcukx41 | does bot know what liqbase is yet? | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~liqbase | 03:20 |
| lcuk | oo | 03:22 |
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| Thanatermesis | GeneralAntilles, so there's only "one" real extra's repository ? i have needed to add a lot of repositories in a oldest version of maemo | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanatermesis, now you don't. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was our goal. :) | 03:37 |
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| Macer | 3 days?hm | 03:49 |
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| timeless | gan: i think i put up a new forjx | 03:53 |
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| Macer | fusion is pretty good | 04:06 |
| Macer | at least it runs.. that's always a treat | 04:06 |
| Macer | heh | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the ODF viewer for OS X's shortcuts are all ctrl-* | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it wont open the stupid Tracker presentation. | 04:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They can't expect anybody to take them seriously with support this shitty. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | and of course OOo Aqua is 404 | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | High-larious | 04:27 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: how are you man | 04:44 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: long time since we dont talk | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, disco_stu. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frying chicken. :P | 04:45 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i eat KFC on this holidays | 04:45 |
| disco_stu | ate* | 04:45 |
| disco_stu | still.. we are not used to eat chicken fried.. | 04:46 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i've trying to send sms through my phone using my n800 | 04:47 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: still no luck | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, that'd be one feature that'd be really nice to have working well. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | CallerID, handsfree, sms, etc. | 04:47 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: some people succeed using phonelink | 04:48 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: but with my two phones.. it wont work | 04:49 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: do you twitt ? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, no. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaiku very infrequently. | 04:57 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: so.. whats new over here ? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much, really. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer progress. | 04:59 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: thats what i've heard.. | 04:59 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: will definitely try it | 04:59 |
| disco_stu | wow! there's a navit update | 05:04 |
| disco_stu | WowwwwWwWWWww ! it has routing :D | 05:05 |
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| Jucato | orange pulpy goodness | 05:11 |
| disco_stu | :D | 05:13 |
| b-man | ???? 0_o | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Road-side Florida orange juice is the only answer. | 05:15 |
| b-man | lol | 05:17 |
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| b-man | i just got a new webpage containing a gallery for all of my Ubuntu n8x0 screenshots up btw; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html | 05:18 |
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| disco_stu | b-man: thats ultra nice.. but how did you get ubuntu running on n800 ? | 05:21 |
| b-man | i took a ubuntu jaunty bootstrap base and applyed several re-designed mer/deblet packages to make it function and boot properly, i even have a repo for it; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/repository/ instructions here; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 | 05:24 |
| disco_stu | i want that ! | 05:25 |
| b-man | :D | 05:25 |
| b-man | knock yourself out ;) | 05:26 |
| disco_stu | b-man: what does it mean ? | 05:26 |
| b-man | go ahead :) | 05:26 |
| b-man | have fun! :) | 05:27 |
| disco_stu | b-man: im sure it is a pain to install, and right now i dont have much time | 05:27 |
| b-man | it just requires time and pacents ;) | 05:29 |
| * b-man will be back, i need to go do something | 05:29 | |
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| jaem | hello | 05:39 |
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| b-man | i'm back | 05:47 |
| jaem | hi b-man | 05:49 |
| b-man | hello =) | 05:50 |
| jaem | my tablet seems to have vanished | 05:50 |
| jaem | apparently | 05:50 |
| b-man | 0_o | 05:50 |
| b-man | was it stolen?? | 05:50 |
| jaem | no | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, I ssh into mine sometimes and then can't find it. :P | 05:51 |
| jaem | but Nokia apparently shipped it back to me after warranty by NULL | 05:51 |
| jaem | haha | 05:51 |
| b-man | lol | 05:51 |
| jaem | and they gave me an invalid UPS tracking number | 05:51 |
| jaem | and then told me that they only ship by FedEx | 05:51 |
| jaem | and FedEx looked up every single package in transit to my Postal Code, and nothing was addressed to me | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia support is so shitty. | 05:51 |
| jaem | well, I found their phone support to be good, in terms of the people | 05:52 |
| jaem | but apparently their database could use some work... | 05:52 |
| jaem | so, nobody knows where my tablet is | 05:52 |
| jaem | I'm going to call back tomorrow and get /something/ done about it | 05:53 |
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| jaem | um... is the Mer 0.8 release page supposed to have meaningful content? | 05:53 |
| jaem | ...because it doesn't appear to | 05:54 |
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| slonopotamus | how do cx3110x and stlc45xx relate to each other? | 07:05 |
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| darkblue_B | hello - back to a maemo project today.. I am wondering if there is a pico or nano editor available for the shell ? | 07:51 |
| slonopotamus | nano's there | 07:53 |
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| darkblue_B | apt-get install nano -- cant find package ?? | 07:55 |
| slonopotamus | it is _already_ installed | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 07:57 |
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| slonopotamus | or i installed it... | 07:57 |
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| darkblue_B | nano command not found | 07:57 |
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| darkblue_B | ok, I'll come over to your house :p | 07:58 |
| slonopotamus | apt-cache gives me nano, but doesn't say from what repo | 08:01 |
| slonopotamus | darkblue_B, try searching on http://gronmayer.com/it/ | 08:01 |
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| slonopotamus | ahha | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | i installed if from diablo/tools@r.m.o | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | darkblue_B, add this repo : http://gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=246 | 08:04 |
| slonopotamus | darkblue_B, open it in browser | 08:04 |
| darkblue_B | oooo | 08:05 |
| darkblue_B | looking | 08:05 |
| darkblue_B | repository.install .. | 08:07 |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 08:07 |
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| darkblue_B | I guess I could open the url you kindly gave me in the Nokia browser.. | 08:07 |
| slonopotamus | i thought you'll use it from tablet :P | 08:08 |
| slonopotamus | uff | 08:08 |
| slonopotamus | just open http://gronmayer.com/it/ and search 'nano'. it'll give you a list of repos | 08:08 |
| darkblue_B | ohh I'm trying it in the tablet now.. you folks have many curious ways | 08:09 |
| darkblue_B | slonopotamus: thx! working | 08:15 |
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| RST38h | Thief Cleans Out a Desk, But Leaves the Zune Behind | 08:41 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 08:41 |
| RST38h | That is what you get for slapping your own label onto Toshiba Gigabit =) | 08:41 |
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| darkblue_B | the python genuises are confused because my python2.5 doesnt have some piece of distutils or something | 09:45 |
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| darkblue_B | I have a pure python module, simplejson, that I would like to make work | 09:45 |
| darkblue_B | can it be that hard? | 09:45 |
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| Jari-- | oops :D | 09:55 |
| bef0rd | spam!! | 09:56 |
| hahlo | hi, is there any documentation howto install android on maemo? | 09:57 |
| bef0rd | ~android | 09:57 |
| infobot | methinks android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible | 09:57 |
| bef0rd | uhm, check on itt | 09:57 |
| bef0rd | there is an 'easy' installer I believe | 09:57 |
| hahlo | ok | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning Sts | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sometime when you're not busy today, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboardavailable true , and see if this fixes any odd Enter behaviour on your tablet | 10:24 |
| wazd_hp | hola | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | how is your morning so far? | 10:25 |
| wazd | rainy :( | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | im having a dentist visit later today so im pondering to stay home and just go there when time is | 10:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: dentists, eeeewww :) | 10:26 |
| aquatix | wazd: that bad teeth? ;) | 10:26 |
| * aquatix just spent way too much time finding a parking spot for his car at work | 10:26 | |
| wazd | aquatix: well, I have inborn calcium insuficency, so :) | 10:27 |
| aquatix | ick | 10:27 |
| wazd | aquatix: I'm just tired of dentists :) | 10:28 |
| wazd | aquatix: have to check my teeth every half a year :) | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, that's standard procedure here :P | 10:28 |
| aquatix | yeah, here too | 10:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I ususaly have to fix 4 or 5 teeth during them :( | 10:30 |
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| wazd | I won't mind if it would be like "You're clear, see ya next year!" | 10:30 |
| * aquatix actually has the latter | 10:31 | |
| wazd | Let's talk bout something positive :) | 10:31 |
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| aquatix | hehehe, yep | 10:32 |
| aquatix | anyone went to FOSDEM? | 10:32 |
| aquatix | i missed the maemo talks :/ | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | think the beagleboard slides will come up and qgil's recording | 10:33 |
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| aquatix | i heard that talk was a tad short? | 10:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | where are lxpanels conffiles? | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: no clue :P | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | i guess not so much to demo | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ <- project page | 10:38 |
| aquatix | i missed it due to our massive checkout from the hotel ;) | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't go to fosdem, had fiancée home for once | 10:39 |
| aquatix | ah, good priority ;) | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ , homepage link is broken | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | Sts: There is no homepage yet | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:46 |
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| wazd | RST38h: hola | 10:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have no Ti86 icon :) | 10:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: heya | 10:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: I just used the same one for now | 10:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, I mean I have no icon to launch Ti86. You wrote that there should be separate | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I have got both icons. Weird | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | Looked in Extras menu? | 10:55 |
| RST38h | http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_kenneth/cctv-fire1.jpg | 10:55 |
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| wazd | RST38h: nope, I was looking somewhere under the table :P | 11:01 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I have just 85 one | 11:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ok, a moment | 11:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: do ls /usr/share/applications/hildon/ati* | 11:04 |
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| wazd | 85 only | 11:07 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ati85.desktop | 11:07 |
| Mousey | things, yall! | 11:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: no ati86.desktop? | 11:08 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I think you need to update to v1.1.1 | 11:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: enter still not working for me | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: oh, keyboard_available | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | sorry | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | you can do that while in-mer too | 11:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, ham tells me that I'm up to date, but it's 1.1.0 though | 11:11 |
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| sarower | hi all | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:20 |
| wazd_n800 | hola | 11:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ok. try from xterm: run-ati85 -ti86 | 11:21 |
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| hahlo | huomenta | 11:21 |
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| wazd_n800 | wrong option | 11:22 |
| RST38h | checking extras | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | wazd: 1.1.1 is in the Extras. I would suggest uninstalling and installing again | 11:23 |
| RST38h | Filename: pool/diablo/non-free/a/ati85/ati85_1.1.1-1_armel.deb | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Size: 699778 | 11:24 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, thanks) | 11:24 |
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| * RST38h looks over ti84 hw description | 11:24 | |
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| RST38h | wondering if ti83 is similar | 11:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | huomenta hahlo | 11:26 |
| hahlo | :) | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | wazd: did it work? | 11:33 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h: yep, awesome) | 11:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am wondering if we should do ti83/ti83+/ti84 =) | 11:34 |
| RST38h | hardware is a bit different, but not enough to pose a problem | 11:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, don't see anything why we shouldn't :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | heh, ti83's are certainly in wide use in .dk | 11:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: found the problem with maemo-select-menu-location, btw | 11:42 |
| wazd_n800 | hola Jaffa | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is that from maemo libtool version to ubuntu libtool version, libtool no longer accepts non-.so targets as something that can be used -shared on | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | which means most of maemo-launcher using stuff from maemo fails | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | "best" hack is to modify the makefile to make a .so which gets installed into a .launch :P | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | i got it working by just executing the .launch directly, but it showed it unthemed | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | lemme just find what we did to HD to fix it | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/hildon-desktop/revision/1106?remember=1106&compare_revid=1100 | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it's really mostly Makefile.am tricks | 11:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: ti83 faceplate is pretty: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_ti83p.html | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Wait, that is + | 11:53 |
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| puwei_ | need help , i can't uninstall nitdroid from my n800 | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 12:03 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:03 |
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| t_s_o | ugh, i see a flare up of iphone vs tablet starting on the forum... | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | again? | 12:08 |
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| puwei_ | thank you | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | fuck. liqbase almost works on openmoko! | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | url? | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: got it, pushing to repo. | 12:25 |
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| wazd | back at home | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 12:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: so, what models should I draw? | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I would start with the plain ti83 | 12:37 |
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| lcuk | RST38h :D can you create a nokia 770 emulator :D | 12:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Looks like they all share the same hardware. I am adding their LCD access stuff. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i have a creative challenge for you btw - given a http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner , 480x640, a hildon-like mockup | 12:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: QEmu | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | for purposes of being an actual phone | 12:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: ask hwr =) | 12:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | his opinion of 770s werent high, as far as i recall | 12:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm going to the country for 2 days so I can draw more than one cause there's totally nothing to do :) | 12:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hmmm | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | basically, how would a hildon phone look | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | (we're actually working a bit on support it) | 12:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, ok :) | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i hope to start being able to utilize some of your ui designs soon - the technical foundation is starting to get there now so | 12:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: 83+, 84, and 84+ then | 12:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: if they are any different of course | 12:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW http://community.livejournal.com/smartphone_ru/341177.html | 12:47 |
| RST38h | (to our English speaking audience: for unknown reason one of the 5800 product codes used for Russia has not been included into NSU and OTA update lists) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | I.e. 1/3 of the 5800 owners can't update firmware and Nokia tells them that "it is some engineering error on our end and we do not know when it will be fixed" =) | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: bayan :) | 12:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: First time I see it | 12:51 |
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| RST38h | (had that problem before though, didn't know why it was happening) | 12:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: My friend has 5800 and aiting for russian firmware release | 12:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: waiting* | 12:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: v20 appears to be out | 12:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: But you can only update at the service center, if your product id is "unlucky" | 12:52 |
| glass | RST38h: changing productcode is possible by home means though.. | 12:52 |
| RST38h | glass: yea, I know. Just afraid to do it. | 12:53 |
| glass | couldn't expect a normal user to do that tho | 12:53 |
| glass | it's pretty safe | 12:53 |
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| wazd | RST38h: he had problems with sudden turning off of the handset, and I asked him maybe new firmware fixes it | 12:53 |
| glass | could ask a nokia shop to change it too | 12:53 |
| RST38h | glass: they would most likely refuse | 12:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: never seen it turning itself off | 12:54 |
| glass | RST38h: they do it over here.. for getting languages | 12:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: it feels pretty bugless with v10 | 12:54 |
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| glass | i should upgrade my 5800 too | 12:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, me neither but he said he faced this bug multiple times | 12:55 |
| glass | wazd: could be a defective unit too | 12:55 |
| glass | wazd: some had probs | 12:55 |
| glass | dunno if early run of production or such | 12:55 |
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| wazd | glass: well, he decided just to change it | 12:58 |
| wazd | glass: since firmware was not compatible | 12:58 |
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| wazd | http://i.gizmodo.com/5150189/so-mean-but-maybe-true-nsfw | 13:02 |
| lcuk2 | droooooooooooooool Turbaconucken | 13:02 |
| lcuk2 | A chicken inside a duck inside a turkey, all wrapped in bacon. | 13:02 |
| wazd | omg, I'm on the floor xDD | 13:02 |
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| * wazd cries | 13:05 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I love The Onion | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | "time vampire" Ha! | 13:11 |
| wazd | work! Work you goddamn fucking stupid piece of shit! xDD | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://blueman-project.org/screenshots/version-10.html?layout=default | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | looks interesting | 13:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: whoa, Ti84 is pretty extravagant :) | 13:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't think that it's possible to draw it in the same layout | 13:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, wil have to change the touch map then | 13:28 |
| ShutteR77 | Hi there | 13:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, do a Hello Kitty skin for the TI-84!!! | 13:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: and I can't find simple Ti84 photo | 13:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: just plus | 13:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: there is no ti84 | 13:29 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: k :) | 13:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: they went straight from ti83+ to ti84+ | 13:30 |
| wazd | ShutteR77: hey there :) | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, the things they spoil kids these days with. . . . http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire.html | 13:30 |
| aquatix | wazd: teehee @ the onion | 13:30 |
| wazd | ShutteR77: welcome aboard :) | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, TI-83/84 will be excellent. That's the calculator I grew up on. | 13:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, so 83, 83+ and 84 | 13:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, directore is the insane guy who decided that Nokia should switch to the Atom. | 13:31 |
| t_s_o | well that explains it... | 13:32 |
| dob | why doesn't the dropbear ssh client have a ssh binary instead of dbclient? | 13:32 |
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| RST38h | wazd: 83, 83+ and 84+ | 13:32 |
| ShutteR77 | I am a designer. Now, I am on vacation and can make some UI for you | 13:32 |
| RST38h | no 84 | 13:32 |
| wazd | ohohohohoh, am I missing holy-war?) | 13:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, I meant that :) | 13:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, an old one, but wonderfully entertaining all the same: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18659 | 13:33 |
| wazd | "<cartman>So screw you guys, I'm goin' home!</cartman>" High five, GeneralAntilles :P | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ShutteR77: hehe, ui on what? :) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | woo, i got my lesbie usb adaptors today | 13:41 |
| lcuk2 | lesbie? photos? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | the one with two female plugs | 13:42 |
| lcuk2 | ill have to try that lol | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | scary, it actually works | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | (with my usb stick) | 13:43 |
| lcuk2 | i made a f2f usb cable from bits of an old usb backplate thingy and some solder | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.av-cables.dk/computer_kabler/usb_kabel/usb_adapter/usb_adapter_a_hun_a_hun_989_da.html | 13:44 |
| ShutteR77 | Stskeeps, I want to participate in Mer | 13:44 |
| lcuk2 | ShutteR77, flutter your eyelashes andstart showing your stuff :) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | ShutteR77: hehe, well, welcome on board :) there's some initial instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People | 13:45 |
| lcuk2 | so far all we see of your ui is irc text :P get people interested and find a way to keep wazds dogs from gettin you | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | (that's the formal part) | 13:45 |
| lcuk2 | or guards whichever he has at the moment | 13:45 |
| wazd | lcuk2: he's actually my friend :) | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does anybody else want a cool UI for XChat? | 13:46 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: me wants :( | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, do some mockups, then I'll harass some people. | 13:46 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, i want a new irc client totally - its a shame theres noone who knows irc around | 13:46 |
| ShutteR77 | lcuk2, it's a litle but my - http://shutline.com/moi-rabotyi/ | 13:46 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: ui harastment panda? xD | 13:47 |
| ShutteR77 | Stskeeps, thanks! | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, that's me, buddy. :P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ShutteR77: and take some time reading through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.8 | 13:48 |
| ShutteR77 | ok | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | neat fact, my cellphone takes 8mA when connected through usb. it is truely a battery powered 3g dongle :P | 13:49 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, k then, I'll make up something :) Or maybe ShutteR77 will try to make :) | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a new cellphone. | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | we -really- need new icons in mer :P | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm off to Ze Dentist. | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | bzzzzzzz | 13:51 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: good luck | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | fu | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:51 |
| wazd | dont shut! xD | 13:51 |
| * timelE61i owned 81, 82, and 83. Iirc sister had 83+ | 13:53 | |
| ShutteR77 | Stskeeps, I have one little question. Are you have only Jaiku or you have Twitter too? | 13:53 |
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| StsN800 | ShutteR77, we employ the channel feature of jaiku so.. | 14:04 |
| StsN800 | there's a rss feed if need be | 14:04 |
| ShutteR77 | oh, it's wery good for me, thanks | 14:04 |
| StsN800 | Mauku on tablets is quite useful top | 14:04 |
| StsN800 | too | 14:04 |
| ShutteR77 | yes, I know | 14:05 |
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| Macer_ | hi | 14:08 |
| StsN800 | lo macer | 14:08 |
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| Macer | i had to install fusion.. just so i can use the esxi infrastructure client | 14:09 |
| Macer | that sucks :) | 14:09 |
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| Macer | i'm not a big fan of dual booting | 14:09 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 14:10 |
| Macer | have you been using that box sts? | 14:10 |
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| lcuk2 | i think i could cope with multibooting my n810 if i had a 3.5" floppy disk case that i could flip through containing my memory cards | 14:10 |
| lcuk2 | we need a workbench 1.3 loading screen if you turnb tablet on without a card in the slot | 14:11 |
| lcuk2 | (with a click click click sound) | 14:11 |
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| Macer | heh | 14:11 |
| Macer | i don't mind doing it on the n800 ;) | 14:11 |
| StsN800 | Macer, spent most time with gf until sunday.. now picking up pace for next mer release | 14:12 |
| Macer | it just goes to the internal sd anyways | 14:12 |
| lcuk2 | heh, the expanse of plastic on 800 reminds me of the amiga 500 :D the 810 is as small and sleek as the 1200 ;) | 14:12 |
| Macer | StsN800: me too. we celebrated valentines day saturday because she went with her mother to visit her aunt in FL | 14:12 |
| Macer | looks like it is just me and my hand on the 14th :) | 14:13 |
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| gnuton | hi there | 14:18 |
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| mavhc | Macer: now referred to as "Gentleman's Time" | 14:22 |
| AStorm | lcuk2, smaller I think ;) | 14:24 |
| AStorm | and sleeker | 14:24 |
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| lcuk2 | i have a virus | 14:49 |
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| Myrtti | oh noes | 14:50 |
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| lcuk2 | yeah damn party germs | 14:50 |
| * lcuk2 cant talk properly | 14:50 | |
| lcuk2 | Myrtti, fun at fosdem? | 14:51 |
| Myrtti | were you at FOSDEM? just wondering because a friend of mine told me afterwards he feels like he's got symptomps for chicken pox | 14:51 |
| lcuk2 | Myrtti, no, i was at relatives 60th on saturday night (belgium wouldv been fun) | 14:51 |
| * aquatix feels less bad about missing those maemo talks | 14:51 | |
| lcuk2 | then yesterday i went to my mums, she said "oh in the middle of the party it just came on" and has been off work since | 14:52 |
| lcuk2 | aquatix, which did you miss | 14:52 |
| lcuk2 | and why | 14:52 |
| Myrtti | aquatix: and I saw you several times ;-) | 14:52 |
| aquatix | lcuk2: i missed Maemo on beagleboard because our group did take its sweet time checking out the hotel | 14:53 |
| aquatix | not sure about others | 14:53 |
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| aquatix | Myrtti: you did? | 14:53 |
| * aquatix wonders how Myrtti looks like | 14:53 | |
| Myrtti | aquatix: Pink. | 14:53 |
| aquatix | erm | 14:53 |
| aquatix | i think you wheren't the only one :) | 14:54 |
| Myrtti | aquatix: pink jacket, pink scarf, gray cat hat... | 14:54 |
| * aquatix googles :) | 14:54 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: are you looking at maemo-beagleboard project on Garage to look for snergies with Mer? | 14:54 |
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| Jaffa | s/snergies/synergies/ | 14:55 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Stskeeps: are you looking at maemo-beagleboard project on Garage to look for synergies with Mer? | 14:55 |
| * aquatix can't remember *that* wasted and having forgotten about seeing Myrtti | 14:55 | |
| aquatix | +being | 14:55 |
| lcuk2 | Myrtti, i had a look at your photos from the trip yesterday :) brought back memories of when i went to the summit. travelling like that is so much fun | 14:55 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: ah right | 14:55 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: i have seen you too indeed | 14:55 |
| * aquatix isn't used to getting recognised ;) | 14:56 | |
| Macer | vista in fusion is acting strange | 14:56 |
| Macer | like the software update isn't working | 14:56 |
| Macer | wtf | 14:56 |
| Macer | i guess i'll try installing sp1 and see if it works after that | 14:56 |
| Myrtti | aquatix: it was your shirt that said 'aquatix' that gave you away ;-) | 14:57 |
| aquatix | better not assimilate vista into your system ;) | 14:57 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: ha | 14:57 |
| Myrtti | hardly rocket science | 14:57 |
| aquatix | yep :) | 14:57 |
| Macer | aquatix: i need at least one | 14:57 |
| Macer | the rest of my systems are fbsd | 14:57 |
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| Macer | but i need that one damn vista box... mostly just for nero haha | 14:57 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: enjoyed FOSDEM? | 14:57 |
| * aquatix quite did | 14:58 | |
| aquatix | Macer: where do you need nero for? | 14:58 |
| Macer | aquatix: recode is the easiest way to make compatible mpeg4s that work on everything i own | 14:58 |
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| Myrtti | aquatix: yeah, though I found it hard to find intresting talks | 14:58 |
| Macer | mpeg4/aac batch encoding is very quick and works on all my media things.. like some shitty netgear eva700 i have... my popcornhour... phone... n800... etc | 14:59 |
| Macer | not to mention.. all osx burning software sucks :) | 14:59 |
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| Macer | which is the only other actual thing i have that i do real work on | 14:59 |
| Macer | the other 3 systems are servers | 14:59 |
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| Macer | wait.... | 15:00 |
| Macer | 4 :) 4 systems | 15:00 |
| aquatix | Macer: ah right | 15:01 |
| * aquatix generally uses ffmpeg for transcoding video | 15:01 | |
| aquatix | and gnome burner or similar ilk for burning | 15:02 |
| aquatix | not that i burn optical media that much lately | 15:02 |
| Macer | for some reason i couldn't get ffmpeg to work correctly on things | 15:02 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: yeah, same here | 15:02 |
| Macer | i tried every setting under the sun. the only success was using xvid and that takes FOREVER | 15:02 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: at least it was better than last year imho | 15:02 |
| Macer | even with the settings down.. xvid takes 4x longer to encode with mencoder | 15:02 |
| aquatix | Macer: hm :( | 15:02 |
| Macer | yah.. it sucks :) | 15:03 |
| * aquatix made a script once with a bunch of settings | 15:03 | |
| Macer | aquatix: so did i.. it worked very well too.. but it still took forever | 15:03 |
| aquatix | worked 2x real time for Lost episodes if i remember well | 15:03 |
| Macer | using xvid? | 15:03 |
| Macer | heh... mine would take like 3x .. usually hover around 9fps | 15:04 |
| aquatix | ffmpeg -y -i "$1" -f mp4 -s 320x240 -r 25 $2 "$1".mp4 | 15:04 |
| * aquatix tries on his laptop | 15:04 | |
| Macer | 320x240? | 15:04 |
| Macer | you in russia or something? :) | 15:05 |
| aquatix | no, on an n810 :P | 15:05 |
| aquatix | that played well at least | 15:05 |
| aquatix | didn't try much higher though | 15:05 |
| Macer | heh... n800 doesn't seem to have hw decoding for mpeg4 | 15:06 |
| Macer | my n95 was a beast for it | 15:06 |
| aquatix | ah, that could be the problem | 15:06 |
| Macer | it could play high res stuff | 15:06 |
| wazd | Macer: what do you have against russia?) | 15:06 |
| aquatix | heheh | 15:07 |
| Macer | well.. when he said 320x240 I just remembered eurotrip where the russian was like "Miami Wisseee.. NEW NUMBER ONE SHOW!!" | 15:07 |
| aquatix | Macer: except that the n95 only has 240x320 screen :) | 15:07 |
| Macer | aquatix: true.. but it still played the higher res stuff | 15:07 |
| aquatix | nice | 15:07 |
| Macer | so i didn't have to resize it | 15:07 |
| Macer | just to play it without it stuttering.. the n95 has awesome hardware | 15:07 |
| Macer | too bad mine won't get on tmob's 3G | 15:08 |
| Macer | stupid 1700MHz bastards | 15:08 |
| Macer | heh | 15:08 |
| aquatix | meh, i have to install ffmpeg with the right libs | 15:08 |
| Macer | i miss the DVD quality movie taking and 5mp flash cam | 15:08 |
| * aquatix wants the n97 | 15:08 | |
| Macer | :) | 15:08 |
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| Macer | i still have the phone but i've been using my G1 more than anything | 15:09 |
| Macer | i like the wifi tethering over the bt stuff | 15:09 |
| Macer | once someone makes an AP app for android.. the thing will kick ass even more | 15:09 |
| Macer | right now it's unsecure adhoc | 15:09 |
| wazd | Macer: It was Bratislava in Eurotrip, not russia :) | 15:11 |
| Macer | lol | 15:11 |
| wazd | "Who'll find me in Berlin when I'm in Bratislava!" :) | 15:12 |
| Macer | Bratislava wasn't part of russia? | 15:12 |
| wazd | Macer: nope) | 15:12 |
| Macer | before the communist fall? | 15:12 |
| Macer | wow really? | 15:12 |
| wazd | Well, part of USSR maybe | 15:12 |
| Macer | that's russia :-P | 15:12 |
| wazd | nope) | 15:12 |
| Myrtti | in Soviet Russia, Eurotrip Bratislavas you | 15:13 |
| aquatix | lol | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | no? yes? <bad joke /> | 15:13 |
| wazd | in Soviet Russia trip euros you! | 15:13 |
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| aquatix | in Soviet Russia, ffmpeg transcodes you | 15:13 |
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| andre__ | "here you will always find a party. in soviet russia the party will always find you" ? | 15:16 |
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| aquatix | in Soviet Russia, the Belgian beer consumes you | 15:16 |
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| Macer | After the Communist Party seized power in Czechoslovakia in February 1948, the city became part of the Eastern Bloc. | 15:17 |
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| Macer | so i guess it wasn't a part of russia | 15:18 |
| timelE61i | hI andre | 15:18 |
| Macer | my bad :) | 15:18 |
| timelE61i | Ive got some fun bugs in pdf viewer | 15:18 |
| andre__ | i still wonder whether there would have been a "third way" if dubček had succeeded in 68... | 15:18 |
| timelE61i | Want em? | 15:18 |
| Macer | it just had russian communist influence | 15:18 |
| andre__ | timelE61i, just file them. but if you can test them in fremantle too i'd be much more happy | 15:19 |
| andre__ | i don't think there's much work going on for diablo's pdf viewer (at least my impression) | 15:19 |
| Macer | andre__: probably not | 15:20 |
| Macer | it would have made things worse .. more people would have died :) | 15:20 |
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| andre__ | Macer, i'm still wondering whether there's something possible between socialism/communism and capitalism (though i'm fan of the latter) | 15:21 |
| andre__ | i shouldn't have studied politics :-P | 15:21 |
| Macer | it's called fascism | 15:22 |
| Macer | :) | 15:22 |
| Macer | fascism works | 15:22 |
| Macer | just have the wrong people leading the charge | 15:22 |
| andre__ | :-D | 15:22 |
| Macer | if a fascist dictator actually cares more of his people and country more than geopolitical power.. it works great | 15:22 |
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| Macer | like i said though.. when people think fascism they think Hitler | 15:22 |
| Macer | :) | 15:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Benevolent dictators would work great. | 15:23 |
| Macer | just had the wrong guys leading the charge for the fascist movement | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, such a thing really doesn't exist. | 15:23 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: if Hitler wasn't a murdering power hungry bastard... Germany would be ruling the world now | 15:23 |
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| Macer | the German war machine was an absolute monster of efficiency.. fascist reorganization of industries during the war helped the country as a whole to fight | 15:25 |
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| Macer | truth be told. minus the jew killing .. people should really admire Hitler | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | True, what is there to dislike, the painter or the architect? | 15:27 |
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| Macer | i think he just went nuts :) brain eating disease | 15:28 |
| Macer | cmon.. opening 2 fronts against major opponents? that was suicide | 15:29 |
| andre__ | Macer: *cough* well, he completely destroyed culture. everybody with some brain and money left the country because of the pressure | 15:29 |
| Macer | he should have left russia alone until later | 15:29 |
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| StsN800 | Jaffa, was looking but not much more than what mer does on beagle | 15:29 |
| Macer | andre__: sometimes you have to sacrifice culture for the majority | 15:30 |
| StsN800 | their scratchbox using image builder is curious | 15:30 |
| andre__ | no way, i love liberty and freedom :) | 15:30 |
| Macer | imagine it... the US govt uses bribery to force farmers to grow or not grow certain crops | 15:30 |
| Macer | isn't that similar? :) Hitler used an army instead | 15:31 |
| lcuk2 | and where bribery fails, they use the dmca | 15:31 |
| Macer | lcuk2: exactly | 15:31 |
| lcuk2 | dont much like the rest of the topic tho, bbl | 15:31 |
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| Macer | and judging by the last couple of years.. capitalism isn't all it's cracked up to be | 15:31 |
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| Macer | especially consdering federalization of almost all financial institutions | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | they aren't "forcing", they're incentivizing! | 15:32 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: and if it didn't work? you think the government isn't going to pass a bill to add more pressure to farmers who do not agree? | 15:32 |
| Macer | and really.. who would be in the wrong during a situation like that? the greedy farmer.. or the government trying to help the majority? | 15:33 |
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| gomiam | Macer: what we have now is not capitalism | 15:33 |
| StsN800 | jaffa, besides that it seems somewhat 1:1 to maemo5.. but one og | 15:33 |
| Macer | gomiam: exactly | 15:34 |
| StsN800 | of the special things of mer is the way we reconstruct maemo:) | 15:34 |
| Macer | we stopped being capitalist the second we gave government bailouts... probably long before that | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | StsN800: cool | 15:34 |
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| Macer | that is not capitalism... that is a form of fascism.. the government stepped in using taxpayer money in order to control the banks | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK | Well, the idea is to make sure that if one crop had a very high price one year, that everybody isn't growing it the next year, causing a price collapse in that crop and cost for other crops soaring out of control, resulting in farmers going bankrupt :-) | 15:35 |
| gomiam | Macer: nah, that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. What we have now is corporativism with something in front | 15:35 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i understand the concept... but it is still the government stepping in to control a private industry | 15:36 |
| lcuk | farmers should be able to produce whatever crop they like. "no officer, its ummm just weeds, yeah thats it, lying fallow. no the hippies aren't camped outside | 15:36 |
| Macer | using money instead of weapons .. which probably cost the same ;) | 15:36 |
| Macer | lcuk: i don't believe in illicit drug laws | 15:37 |
| Macer | if a woman has a "right to choose what to do with her body" why doesn't that right extend to everybody? | 15:37 |
| Macer | the courts decided to single out one group and forget about the rest of the population with that one :) | 15:38 |
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| ShadowJK | On a more fundamental level it's about protectionism and subsidizing the poor people in your country. Most of the farming industry could probably not stand on its own if it had to compete with imports, and the price for groceries would be higher. Food is the biggest expenditure, alongside rent, for poor people. | 15:38 |
| Macer | see... hitler would have just let them starve :) | 15:39 |
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| Macer | in chicago a few years ago they tore down these huge project homes (welfare living quarters) | 15:39 |
| Macer | a 60 year old woman was on television crying about how this had been her family's home for 25 years | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | This subsidizing isn't even all that politically difficult, the alternative to rely on foreigners to feed the country is even more appalling than this "communist" practice ;) | 15:40 |
| Macer | so she has basically been raising generations of leeches on taxpayer money | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: food is the biggest expenditure? | 15:40 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: that's what we thought about the steel industry | 15:40 |
| Macer | but we still let that one fall | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: last time I checked, you could still feed your family on bread and water for less than 50 quid a month :) | 15:41 |
| Macer | domestic steel production took a major dive... this is the same steel we must use in order to make weapons to defend the country | 15:41 |
| Macer | so what makes steel less of an important industry than the farming industry that feeds the country? | 15:41 |
| Macer | if we went to war with china.. no more steel tanks? :) | 15:41 |
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| Macer | plus our farms are feeding the entire planet nowadays | 15:42 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: even though your statement amused me when I joined the channel, I think you're borderlining with the "dude fucking behave yourself" quote | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, bread is so cheap because it's basically just water and wheat, and the wheat part is heavily subsidized. This would make bread many times more expensive without the agricultural subsidies ;) | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | Macer: you sound like my uncle harry when he's too drunk | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, the brits are already having their tanks made in Japan :) | 15:43 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: and we have jets made in france | 15:43 |
| Macer | i don't see how our govt doesn't see a problem with this sort of situation | 15:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles has yet to fly on an Airbus. | 15:43 | |
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| Macer | many of our industries rely on outside assistance from other countries.. so if there were a REAL war... we would be screwed | 15:44 |
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| crashanddie | that's why there will be a "real" war again | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | at least, not in our lifetime | 15:44 |
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| crashanddie | war by proxy ftw | 15:44 |
| Macer | our oil would be gone... we wouldn't have enough steel to make enough weapons... the food we have wouldn't be exported.. etc etc | 15:44 |
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| Macer | crashanddie: yeah.. i suppose so ;) | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | though, Macer let me stress my point again, why are you having this conversation here? | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, .fi used to have an elegant solution to the dilemma. Buy half from nato and half from soviets :-) | 15:45 |
| gomiam | crashanddie: because maemo has GPL software, and we all know GPL is communist ;) | 15:45 |
| Macer | crashanddie: because nobody was talking about n800 type stuff | 15:45 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: doesn't mean politics should be the first thing to pop up | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo is the king of off-topic. | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No sense fighting it. :P | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, they work well as boats too :-) | 15:46 |
| Macer | crashanddie: i suppose.. but if nobody was talking what's the difference? | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | (airbus) | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | Macer: and by reading some of your stuff, I understand most people wouldn't be engaged to actually set foot in this channel again | 15:46 |
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| ShadowJK | Atleast in the hands of american pilots | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | or say a word for that matter | 15:46 |
| Macer | it's just politics ;) | 15:46 |
| gomiam | Macer: there's no thing like "just politics". | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | no, actually it's ignorant thoughts | 15:47 |
| Macer | crashanddie: really? How so? | 15:47 |
| Myrtti | "it's just politics" - does anyone want me to start rambling about feminism and gender bias? no? damnit. | 15:47 |
| Macer | haha | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | Macer: you can't sound like my drunk uncle harry and have more than half a brain at the same time | 15:47 |
| gomiam | Myrtti: please do. I'll don my asbestos pants (oh, my poor cancer) and troll for a while. | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | Myrtti, I've never been subjected to an überfeminist assault, I've heard scary stories though | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, to change your topic again: bacon doesn't grow on trees, i have to go out to a clearing in the local forest. i normally find a decent crop just under the cover of the bushes. | 15:48 |
| gomiam | crashanddie: how did your drunk uncle harry lose half his brain? :) | 15:48 |
| Macer | see.. this is why it is not "just politics" once you disagree with what someone else has to say.. you simply dislike them :) | 15:48 |
| Macer | while maintaining a blind eye to valid points | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | gomiam, the alcohol, duh | 15:48 |
| lcuk | i dont take any of the sproutlings though, they are too small and only make little tiny rashers | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | ShadowJK: while I'd enjoy talking about feminism, this is hardly the channel for it, was just making a point ;-) | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | gomiam: a japanese tank drove on his head, he was trying to fire at a french jet, while eating manchester bio-bacon | 15:49 |
| gomiam | ShadowJK: oh, so he didn't just lose half his brain... it deteriorated to half its mass :) | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, Qt 4.5 in the builder. | 15:49 |
| gomiam | crashanddie: that would certainly do it XD | 15:49 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: does it owrk? | 15:49 |
| Macer | work? | 15:49 |
| gomiam | GeneralAntilles: oh, that sounds interesting. | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | Myrtti, I'll just have to try force it then! What do you think about the ideas to force 6month parenthood leave on both mother and father? :-) | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: fair enough | 15:50 |
| lcuk | manchester bio-bacon is morel ike beggin strips | 15:50 |
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| Myrtti | ShadowJK: excellent idea. I'm also pro General Conscription for both men and women. | 15:50 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what does qt offer us then | 15:50 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. ;) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt45_4.5.0~rc1maemo0/ | 15:50 |
| Macer | lcuk: lol. god willing... no more gtk | 15:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, can i be excused from conscription on the count my balls aint big enough to fight in a war | 15:51 |
| lcuk | lol macer | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | GTK aint going anywhere anytime soon. | 15:51 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: that sucks... i like qt much better | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, why does that "suck"? | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use Qt, then. | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | Myrtti, but but the poor boys would lose their pride forever getting their asses kicked by so many girls | 15:51 |
| Macer | heh | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | People who like Qt can use Qt, people who like GTK can use GTK | 15:52 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: who said it would have to be military conscription? ;-) | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | and users get lots of pretty applications. | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody wins. | 15:52 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: gtk doesn't look pretty anymore | 15:52 |
| Macer | maybe 10 years ago it did | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, users don't look at code. | 15:52 |
| Jaffa | And people who like building their own widget libraries and rendering cores (*cough* lcuk *cough*) can do that too ;-) | 15:52 |
| * Myrtti goes to get more vanilla cola and fiddles with latex | 15:52 | |
| Jaffa | Macer: Code niceness or visual niceness? | 15:52 |
| Macer | visual | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | visually I can't tell the difference. | 15:53 |
| * Jaffa thinks both Qt and Gtk suck for that, and has high hopes for Fremantle | 15:53 | |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i can ... qt just seems nicer and more modern. gtk looks like circa 1990 | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | But QT seems to perform nicer, which I hate to say, because I dislike C++ and QT is C++. ;P | 15:53 |
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| Myrtti | gtk looks like circa 1990? hmmmm weird | 15:55 |
| Myrtti | never had that impression | 15:55 |
| Myrtti | minimalism ftw | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect the most interesting bit is that QT will make it easier to port stuff between maemo and symbian.. | 15:55 |
| lcuk | jaffa, but it does look pretty and nothing else would let me do what ive got here :$ i imported "recent pictures" and "recent sketches" now | 15:56 |
| * ShadowJK suspects fedora has just configured QT and GTK to look the same | 15:56 | |
| lcuk | fully zoomable | 15:56 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: for some reason.. you can just feel teh difference | 15:56 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :O should i be worried, or should i go check if my gimp mask still fits? | 15:57 |
| Macer | gtk feels like... like it's goofy :) less centralized.. | 15:57 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, HOW did you make qt look the same as gtk!!! | 15:57 |
| Macer | maybe it is the dev structure of gtk based stuff.. but when you open one app... and OK/CANCEL is swapped up from the one you were just in | 15:57 |
| RST38h | Macer: Sorry for the question but how old are you? | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | whenever i looked at qt, i saw strange something::other() and random bits of some dialect of c++ | 15:58 |
| Macer | RST38h: will be 30 this july | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | Speaking of "feel the difference", the new kmail is stumbling on this bug in qt, O(N^2) behaviour in some widget... it makes kmail run at about 1fps on 2.83 GHz core2quad. Joy | 15:58 |
| Macer | (shedding a tear over it) | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Macer: So, you should have seen Motif, right? =) | 15:58 |
| Macer | wow | 15:58 |
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| ShadowJK | Speaking of motif, while gtk and KDE apps look the same to me, pure QT apps seem to be defaulting to motif-look lately.. | 15:59 |
| Macer | that was like... wow | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Apparently, they are not "90s" but GTK look is :) | 16:00 |
| Macer | do people still use motif? | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | The Gnome dialogs hurt my brain.. They're autopilot-incompatible, you need to think before pushing a button. | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Macer: Qt defaults to motifish UI | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Shadow: They are GNU, like GCC =) | 16:01 |
| Macer | haha | 16:01 |
| StsN800 | incompatible with the rest of the world?;) | 16:01 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yeah | 16:02 |
| Macer | i don't understand where the memo went to get devs to put stuff in the same spots | 16:02 |
| Macer | heh | 16:02 |
| Jucato | only on the n810 (when I tried). otherewise afaik it defaults to Plastique on Linux, and to Wndows/OSX on those platforms | 16:02 |
| Jucato | (Qt4) | 16:02 |
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| ShadowJK | What do you mean, gcc only has -fiam-gentoo-user-plz-shoot-me-in-foot-and-unroll-loops and -falways-ice | 16:03 |
| Macer | it's even worse when the anarchist decides to go way out and not use formal things for dialogs | 16:03 |
| Macer | and use things like "SURE" "NO THANKS" etc | 16:03 |
| Macer | :) | 16:03 |
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| disco_stu | ~mer | 16:04 |
| infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:04 |
| Macer | fusion sure is beating up my macbook | 16:05 |
| Macer | all this just because i need an esxi infrastructure client | 16:05 |
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| ShadowJK | GNU can be funny sometimes. glibc doesn't have the strl* stuff because it's "not a standard". Solaris has it, I heard windows has it (hidden-ish, I think). They saw it was a bloody good idea, but GNU only accepts good unstandard ideas if it's invented by GNU :-( | 16:05 |
| Macer | arrogance | 16:06 |
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| Macer | gnu people would never make for good fascist dictators | 16:06 |
| Macer | :) | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | Some argue they already are ;) | 16:06 |
| RST38h | Shadow: no strlen stuff? =) | 16:07 |
| Macer | yeah.. but not good ones ;) | 16:07 |
| Macer | like queen elizabeth good | 16:07 |
| Macer | haha | 16:07 |
| lcuk | gnu never invented linux, but hasn't RMS become its illegitimate step daddy | 16:07 |
| Macer | blah.. fbsd for the win | 16:07 |
| Macer | StsN800: you should have based mer on a fbsd kernel :) | 16:07 |
| Macer | haha | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | Hm yeah why not, debian has all these crazy subprojects to make GNU/fbsd and what not.. | 16:08 |
| Macer | :) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: RMS is just a creepy old nerd | 16:08 |
| * Macer pictures sts scratching his head saying "why didn't i think of that" | 16:09 | |
| Macer | heh | 16:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Besides, he developed demagogic/dogmatic qualities of a ranking communisty party member | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | He takes creepy to such an art that he gets tailed by UN security staff :) | 16:09 |
| Macer | RST38h: sounds like the board to accept people into harvard | 16:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do notice that he is no communist by ideology (like some wackos like to label him), just a creep | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Shadow: What hashe done to UN? =) | 16:10 |
| Macer | in the end the last law is always to "Obey the pigs." | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Tried to "liberate" AIDS drug recipes? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Macer: Among more level headed people, this "law" is known as "Don't fight the steam roller, it always wins" | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | wryyyyy! | 16:11 |
| StsN800 | Macer, netbsd is more likely | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | andre__: "visum" - methinks that's someone trying to be a little too pretentious ;-) | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, nah he had bought a big roll of aluminium foil and wrapped his RFID badge in it, and encouraged other people to do that too | 16:13 |
| Macer | RST38h: same thing ;) | 16:13 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, feel free to correct me. as i said, i myself never had to deal with this. just know about some friends... | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Did he try it on his pe^H^Hhead too? People say it helps | 16:14 |
| Macer | i'm eating subsidized potatoes, corn, and pork | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | andre__: I agree with your point, but "visa" is singular in English, "visas" is plural... | 16:16 |
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| ShadowJK | “Perens notes in his blog that they had some limited diplomatic protection as UN delegates, which would have lead to amusing headlines had Richard actually been detained for any period of time. Bruce reminded Richard that he had limited immunity while at the conference. To this, Richard wittily remarked that he should have used the opportunity to shoot one of the paid lobbyists against Free Software wh | 16:17 |
| ShadowJK | o had been bugging him again. Perens doubted that the immunity was that extensive, but there’s now little doubt UN security will be watching RMS even more closely from now on” | 16:17 |
| timsamoff | andre__ & jaffa: Personally, I always carry someone else finger around. | 16:17 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, file a bug against english language. in german "visa" is plural, as in latin ;-) | 16:17 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: "visum" is what is written on a Finnish visa for example | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: and austrian too, I think | 16:18 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: He should start with Perens, IMHO | 16:19 |
| gomiam | in German... visa is plural? | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Let us ask google translate | 16:19 |
| gomiam | according to the etymology at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/visa#Etymology it would be a case of mistranslation... in German. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | German: VISUM | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | Finnish: VIISUMIN | 16:20 |
| gomiam | as it comes from "charta visa" not from "chartum visum" or something like that :) | 16:20 |
| RST38h | gomiam: Comes from Latin most likely | 16:20 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: erh. | 16:20 |
| Myrtti | plural of visa in Finnish is viisumit | 16:21 |
| andre__ | timsamoff, chaos computer club here has published the fingerprint of the german secretary of Interior so you can use it everywhere instead of your own one :-D | 16:21 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, that's "The visa's", google translate is somewhat random on translations to/from finnish without context, and not that good on full sentences either :) | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | andre__ Sweet! | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Was checking singular of course | 16:21 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: singular is viisumi | 16:21 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Oh | 16:21 |
| andre__ | they "stole" it from a glass after a public discussion | 16:21 |
| * RST38h isn't going to learn Finnish any time soon | 16:21 | |
| ShadowJK | heh | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | Wow. | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | What's plural of visa in english? visa? visas? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | visas | 16:22 |
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| timsamoff | In some parts of the U.S. it's "veesuhs." | 16:22 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: viisumin is the genitive case of word viisumi :-P | 16:22 |
| ShadowJK | augh | 16:23 |
| Myrtti | (also known as the possessive case) | 16:23 |
| andre__ | yay, languages with 16 cases... | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: as in "visa regime"? | 16:23 |
| andre__ | at least you don't need prepositions anymore | 16:23 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, I just mumble the endings. I think they're going to figure out my scam soon :-( | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: as in "visas date of expiry" or "visas legitimicy"... | 16:24 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, haha, good idea. i will do the same after becoming an expat :-) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Ah | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | Visa's (possessive) | 16:25 |
| Myrtti | yup | 16:25 |
| Myrtti | Finnish language ♥ | 16:25 |
| * RST38h matched it to the appropriate Russian case | 16:25 | |
| timeless | andre__: i'm about to comment on visas | 16:26 |
| timeless | but first i need google to talk to me | 16:26 |
| andre__ | just do it | 16:26 |
| andre__ | as i said, if i spread FUD, please do correct me | 16:26 |
| * timeless kicks google offline | 16:26 | |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if google translate's "viisumin" is because someone had typoed "Visas" when they meant "Visa's" in the original english, and the human translator had seen what it was suppsoed to be, from context, and translated it to "Viisumin" in finnish... | 16:26 |
| andre__ | never had the "pleasure" myself yet to go through this | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Google uses probabilistic translation | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Shadow: No humans involved | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, but it's based on documents that are human translated in the first place.. like EU that churns out tons of bureaucracy in tons of languages :) | 16:27 |
| Myrtti | then one should also take into account that the word "visa" is sometimes used in similar meaning with "credit card". Similar to how the word "hoover" is used | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yea, they pick up existing documents and use them to train the Evil Robot | 16:28 |
| Myrtti | s/$/ in English/ | 16:28 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, yeah so I was just musing whether there had been an error in one of the existing documents they used to train the evil robot :-) | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Shadow: My guess is that the corpus of Finnish documents is pretty small to begin with, so they can't train the iron well enough | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | When you have 16 cases I imagine you'd need 16 times bigger corpus too? :-) | 16:30 |
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| Myrtti | Google translator does better than most other online translators though | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Not necessarily as they are not making morphological analysis | 16:30 |
| Myrtti | it's almost legible | 16:31 |
| RST38h | It is, ironically | 16:31 |
| Myrtti | that being said... | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, but because of that, a single word in finnish might to the robot appear like 32 different words? | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Robot does not care, he deals with correlations | 16:32 |
| Myrtti | other online translators are so shitty my head explodes when I try to use them. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | mm, beer and danish liver paste with salty meat on top and pepper root. <3 | 16:34 |
| Myrtti | tuna sammiches ♥ | 16:36 |
| ShadowJK | uncyclopedia article on finnish is wonderful | 16:36 |
| jaska | o.O | 16:37 |
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| jaska | hahaha | 16:37 |
| ShadowJK | Like, without morphological analysis, unless the robot stumbles upon a corpus with all the possible forms you can make out of a word, and the practice of constructing new words on the fly by joining together existing words to make a new one, how is google ever going to translate this: | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | "Epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkäänköhänkään" - "I wonder if even with his, her or its ability not to disorganize things." | 16:38 |
| aquatix | wtf | 16:38 |
| gomiam | ShadowJK: omfg wordpasting! | 16:39 |
| gomiam | XD | 16:39 |
| gomiam | worst thing ever in a language (well, tonal pronunciation might be worse) | 16:39 |
| * aquatix likes merging words | 16:39 | |
| aquatix | it's a feature of dutch too | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | danish too | 16:40 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yea, small corpus and many word forms still make the job harder | 16:40 |
| timeless | and german | 16:40 |
| RST38h | But german has a nice single word for "Broken through improvement" | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | It almost makes me feel like Nokia should publish Maemo changelists in German | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: homefrom school yet? | 16:40 |
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| timeless | rst38h: 1.1 broken-through-improvement. 1.2 fixed broken-through-improvement 1.3 unfixed broken-through-improvement ? | 16:41 |
| * timeless pokes andre__ | 16:41 | |
| Stskeeps | new bugzilla category? :P | 16:41 |
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| Myrtti | timeless: broken-through-improvement - also known as "fucked up" | 16:43 |
| andre__ | hmm? | 16:44 |
| andre__ | foe what? | 16:44 |
| andre__ | RST38h, what is that word in german? :-) | 16:45 |
| RST38h | andre: I can't locate it | 16:45 |
| timeless | ooh | 16:45 |
| * timeless has an outbox | 16:45 | |
| RST38h | andre: It fell out at me from a BSD fortune cookie db once | 16:45 |
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| * timeless isn't used to such a concept | 16:45 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders what things he should try now that he has a usb f-f adaptor. | 16:46 | |
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| andre__ | RST38h, ahhhh | 16:46 |
| andre__ | RST38h, "verschlimmbessert"? | 16:47 |
| timeless | sts: connect to a second maemo device | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | andre: No idea - most German words look like a miscommunication to me =) | 16:47 |
| andre__ | RST38h, same here :-D | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i only have one maemo device :P | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | .. except at work | 16:48 |
| * gomiam checks andre__'s word.... | 16:48 | |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, you could try all your USB memorysticks and see which one consumes too much power and end up corrupted ;) | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: hehe | 16:49 |
| andre__ | RST38h, "verschlimmbessern": (verschlimmern = worsen; verbessern = improve). nice mixture. :) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: my keychain usb stick "only" took 100mA | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | and my S-E k610i took 8mA | 16:50 |
| gomiam | according to http://diccionario.reverso.net/aleman-ingles/verschlimmbessern the word actually exists. | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, that's if you trust what they tell you... | 16:50 |
| RST38h | andre: does the word exist? =) it does! | 16:50 |
| andre__ | gomiam, but the translation is wrong | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: hehe | 16:50 |
| andre__ | it is not "to make worse" | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i should probably get a powered usb hub. | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | the number in lsusb is no measurement, it's what the connected device itself claims it needs | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: ah, i took it from dmesg | 16:51 |
| gomiam | andre__: is it wrong, or is it different from what you thought? | 16:51 |
| andre__ | gomiam, it's more like "expected to be an improvement but in the end it's worse" | 16:51 |
| gomiam | we are talking about a Collins dictionary, so they might know what sie sprechen aus ;) | 16:51 |
| timeless | andre__: sounds like precisely the word he wanted :) | 16:52 |
| andre__ | "fix one bug introduce 3 new ones" | 16:52 |
| timeless | 3 small steps forward one big step back | 16:52 |
| gomiam | then again, http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/deutsch-englisch/verschlimmbessern.html (a German Technical University) translates it as "to make sth. worse with so-called corrections" | 16:53 |
| andre__ | fits a bit better | 16:53 |
| RST38h | gomiam: "so called corrections" is a very German way to put it | 16:53 |
| aquatix | overgecorrigeert? | 16:54 |
| gomiam | RST38h: XDDD | 16:54 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ghehe | 16:54 |
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| timeless | anyone here use the Media Player? | 16:54 |
| andre__ | aquarius, that sounds like a nice and fitting dutch translation :) | 16:54 |
| * timeless is trying to understand what 'stream's and 'channel's are | 16:54 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: after discovering Vagalume.. | 16:54 |
| gomiam | aquatix: that's the effect of the old engineering motto "if it works, it has not enough funcionalities" | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | then no | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:54 |
| gomiam | XD | 16:54 |
| timeless | sts: how unhelpful | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: my nature :P | 16:55 |
| timeless | hrm | 16:55 |
| timeless | so, anyone else? please? | 16:55 |
| aquatix | gomiam: fix it till it's broke ;) | 16:55 |
| RST38h | gomiam: In my first and long abandoned EE course, the instructor was used to say that there is exactly 3 kinds of problems in digital electronics | 16:55 |
| * timeless wants to know if there's an "Updating...." message that appears | 16:55 | |
| timsamoff | timeless: Sometimes Media Player is the only app that will play some videos I have. | 16:55 |
| timeless | and if so, under what conditions | 16:56 |
| timsamoff | timelss: Never seen one myself. | 16:56 |
| timeless | timsamoff: hrm, | 16:56 |
| gomiam | RST38h: and most of them sit between the solder and the chair XD | 16:56 |
| RST38h | gomiam: 1) wrong contact 2) no contact 3) engineer has no idea what the hell he wants from the circuit | 16:56 |
| timeless | could you try downloading a bunch of mp3s to a usb stick using a pc | 16:56 |
| timeless | and then importing them into your tablet | 16:56 |
| timeless | see if Media Player shows something when it opens/restores | 16:56 |
| RST38h | gomiam; Yes, that segment covers them all nicely | 16:56 |
| timeless | s/usb stick/mmc/ | 16:56 |
| timeless | wow | 16:57 |
| timeless | Breadcrumb fail | 16:57 |
| timeless | [BACK] > Directory > Languages > Arabic > mast FM103 Multan | 16:57 |
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| gomiam | RST38h: it's a twist on PEBKAC, another old error code, this time related to computers. | 16:58 |
| gomiam | also known as ID10T error | 16:58 |
| gomiam | (or ID-ten-T when users are around) | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | oh boy. combined intel and ARM processors. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | does it still work? | 17:01 |
| gomiam | Stskeeps: if you are going to do that, take care of setting your bit-endianness right :) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.eetimes.eu/213402291 | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | Sts: It is kinda old news | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | Sts: The same HTC had a mixed ARM/Intel machines for a few years, running WinCE/WindowsXP | 17:02 |
| gomiam | now you just have to mix it with that idea of making computing less reliable when precision isn't actually required and... ?.... profit! | 17:02 |
| RST38h | gomiam: Intel solved that problems eons ago with 8087! | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ah yes.. the scary htc vista and windows mobile thing | 17:03 |
| RST38h | gomiam: then GCC helped Intel by "optimizing" 8087 registers to 64 bits =) | 17:03 |
| gomiam | RST38h: oh? silly me thinking the flagship of that was the first Pentium.... | 17:04 |
| RST38h | gomiam: Lots of scientific apps got all kinds of weird bugs, but who cares... | 17:04 |
| RST38h | gomiam: P5 still had 8087 for an FPU | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Well, its later incarnation of course | 17:04 |
| gomiam | RST38h: methinks the math copro on P5 was a bit different from the original 8087. Didn't the P5 have multiplication tables? | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | gomiam: for fp or floating point? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | sorry, int or fp | 17:05 |
| gomiam | for floating point, IIRC. Instead of making the coprocessor do the multiplication they used lookup tables | 17:05 |
| gomiam | (IIRC) | 17:06 |
| RST38h | ah, I see what you mean | 17:06 |
| RST38h | it is a faster way to do it though, so "instead" is a wrong word. | 17:06 |
| RST38h | they did screw up a division table in p5, yea | 17:07 |
| timeless | timsamoff: still alive? | 17:07 |
| * timeless is trying to understand some messages | 17:07 | |
| timsamoff | Yes. | 17:07 |
| gomiam | RST38h: I think using lookup tables _instead_ of a math unit makes the _instead_ reasonable to use ;) | 17:07 |
| timsamoff | In #maemo-meeting. | 17:07 |
| timsamoff | But, here as well -- interdimensionally. | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lo Meizirkki_ | 17:08 |
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| Meizirkki | hi Sts | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki_: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and verify HAM now asks you where to put Maemo Mapper | 17:08 |
| gomiam | timsamoff: welcome to the fuzzy world of mind difussion (in which you pay a bit of attention to many things and no actual attention to any of them;) | 17:08 |
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| timsamoff | gomam ;) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | gomiam: it is not exactly like that(see http://members.cox.net/srice1/pentbug/pentbug3.html | 17:09 |
| timsamoff | *gomlam | 17:09 |
| timsamoff | :p | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | Queerer and queerer: http://www.eetimes.eu/213300454 | 17:12 |
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| Stskeeps | afternoon qwerty12 | 17:19 |
| qwerty12 | hi Stskeeps | 17:19 |
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| * timeless sighs | 17:19 | |
| timeless | Media Player is um... clever | 17:19 |
| timeless | it lets me try to delete streams from playlists | 17:19 |
| timeless | but it knows that won't work | 17:19 |
| timeless | hey, does mer ship w/ mysql? | 17:20 |
| timeless | or did i get it from something else? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | possibly some silly include | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | er | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | dependancy | 17:21 |
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| * Stskeeps downloads a mer installation to his tablet | 17:23 | |
| timeless | sts: oh, i get core dumps from mer now? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, it's on my list of things i'd like to do this week | 17:26 |
| timeless | hrm, if i don't get them | 17:26 |
| timeless | then why did the update script mention them? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | huh? :P | 17:26 |
| timeless | * Setting kernel variables [/etc/sysctl.d/10-coredumps.conf)... [ OK ] | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | that might be ubuntu stuff | 17:27 |
| timeless | nope, it's mine :) | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:27 |
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| * timeless doesn't understand why it was mentioned by the system | 17:27 | |
| timeless | do you want it? :) | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | sure :P | 17:27 |
| timeless | webwizardry.net/~timeless/10-coredumps.conf | 17:28 |
| timeless | you'd need a postinst script which ensures that directory is readable | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:28 |
| timeless | and you should probably make it sticky | 17:28 |
| timeless | (+s) | 17:28 |
| timeless | or you could pick some other directory | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: did you test my 0.8-snap1 yet? im wondering, cos it seems smaller than the others O_o | 17:29 |
| * qwerty12 shouldn't have tested that theme script under Maemo... | 17:30 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: nuked your tablet? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:30 |
| thopiekar | hi | 17:30 |
| timelE61i | :) | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm left with gtk grey default and a theme switcher that refuses to work :P | 17:30 |
| timelE61i | Sorry | 17:31 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: yes I tested it.. but I really took a long time to install... | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: hehe, okay | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | timelE61i, Haha, lol, my fault, that script was for Mer :) | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | im untaring it too atm | 17:31 |
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| timelE61i | Why didn't it work in maemo? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | if ubuntu suddenly stripped 20m off their compressed base, that's impressive | 17:31 |
| timelE61i | Other than the cancel case? | 17:31 |
| * thopiekar is now going to flash his tablet... | 17:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: wednesday, got time for experimenting on the Fn problem in the evening? | 17:33 |
| Meizirkki | Yes, tomorrow i have time for sure. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | i'll try to fix up the evdev and we'll see if it helps | 17:33 |
| thopiekar | my screens issuses are getting bader... | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, definately send it in then | 17:34 |
| thopiekar | yes should be the best... | 17:35 |
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| thopiekar | look at the 3rd picture.. thats how it looks like.. | 17:40 |
| thopiekar | http://picasaweb.google.com/thopiekar/N800Screen# | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | the lines? | 17:41 |
| * qwerty12 fixed his theme problem, copied default current-* files back to /home/user/.osso | 17:41 | |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: yes... | 17:41 |
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| slonopotamus | hi | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | evening slonopotamus | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | tell me the magic of stlc45x vs cx3110x | 17:42 |
| thopiekar | at the beginning they were just in the right side... then now after a day they are as long as the hole screen also from the on to the other side.. | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | stlc45xx is the OSS one using a open MAC | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | cx3110x is open but using a closed MAC (umac.ko) | 17:43 |
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| slonopotamus | they speak about different chips. and both say their chip is used in n8x0 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | stlc45xx is the one you want to use if you have an up to date kernel | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | cx3110x is if you have the diablo kernel | 17:45 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: sorry, i have no idea how soon i can test out the menu-location selector. Some KDE, LXDE or OOo packages are blocking me to install HAM.. :( | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ah, sucks | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: saw http://blueman-project.org/screenshots/version-10.html?layout=default btw? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i'll test myself in a bit | 17:46 |
| Meizirkki | nope | 17:47 |
| * Meizirkki checks | 17:47 | |
| Meizirkki | wow, is that bt-manager gonna beavailable in jaunty repo? | 17:48 |
| lcuk | ok, winner so far of the best description of liqbase video: | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | i dunno, it is still work in progress i think | 17:48 |
| lcuk | That was a very confusing video. What I learned from it: you haven't done some stuff, Zoom Fish!, widgets, Zoom Fish!, behind schedule, zoom, Fish!, widget framework, Fish! | 17:48 |
| lcuk | I guess it's a system that lets you zoom in on fish? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | it allows you to PAN and DUN, integrated with NM, too | 17:48 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, k. your cx3110x source deb looks strange :) | 17:48 |
| thopiekar | as i know this bt-manager just works with the old bluez stack | 17:48 |
| thopiekar | * blueman | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: 4.0 now | 17:49 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: thanks for the info :) | 17:49 |
| * Meizirkki reinstalls Mer | 17:49 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, makefile wants to tar xvzf something in /usr/src/bla-bla | 17:49 |
| thopiekar | I just remember that I had to downgrade bluez on intrepid.. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: ah, that's just the normal cx3110x source stuff :P | 17:50 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm :) i don't believe you built it on autobuilder | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i did not, got me there | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | cx3110x-module however is a little closer to the truth | 17:51 |
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| slonopotamus | uh? i'm talking about it | 17:52 |
| slonopotamus | ok, will package it myself | 17:53 |
| slonopotamus | anyone can recommend git web viewer? | 17:53 |
| slonopotamus | without apache, plz | 17:54 |
| slonopotamus | i have nginx | 17:54 |
| thopiekar | does anyone know how to install a real maemo os on a vm.. I have seen a post about that before, but I haven't bookmarked it... | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | thopiekar, http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | It takes up quite a bit of time to get running though | 17:55 |
| thopiekar | thank you very much :) | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | .. why on earth is ubuntu mirrors now on ipv6 | 17:57 |
| Corsac | because ipv6 is the future | 17:57 |
| * slonopotamus wonders when qemu will roll out official release with armv6 support. running cvs snapshots is somewhat hackish | 17:59 | |
| Stskeeps | and who is the jackass who put up an unreachable ipv6 gateway | 17:59 |
| timeless | unreachable? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | as in for some reason my ubuntu picks up on this as it's default gateway, and it doesn't lead anywhere | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | then again, it better not be the ipv6 cisco gateway i put up as part of a uni course 3 years ago that's still active.. | 18:02 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx, hello | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo johnx | 18:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: around? | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, how's there? | 18:03 |
| wazd | hey johnx | 18:03 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, pretty good. a little chilly | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | fuck, bugmenot bars vmware now :( | 18:03 |
| RST38h | LHC Restart Postponed Further, Won't Attempt To Swallow Earth Again Until September | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw url in msg? | 18:04 |
| johnx | yup | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Why? Why again? | 18:04 |
| johnx | catching up | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it was the potential way out if bush had stayed in power | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| aquatix | RST38h: they are running gentoo and hadn't updated in a while? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | so now they're postponing it | 18:05 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, noooo! why? | 18:05 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: there are easier ways you know ;) | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | slono: The Tentacled One is giving the economic crisis its last chance to destroy humanity | 18:06 |
| RST38h | slono: Before engaging the collider, that is | 18:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah I see! couldn't read it until I looked at the large size version of the picture : | 18:06 |
| slonopotamus | oh. as i thought | 18:06 |
| timeless | andre__: ping | 18:06 |
| timeless | or someone | 18:06 |
| timeless | could someone install a local web server on their n800/n810 | 18:06 |
| timeless | and then go offline | 18:06 |
| timeless | and try loading http://127.1 from Web | 18:07 |
| timeless | (or, if you have my en-US, from 'Browser') | 18:07 |
| darkblue_B | timeless: kepp going, I am keen on this | 18:07 |
| timeless | that's it. | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | vmware are motherfuckers, they don't offer a tar.gz anymore >.< | 18:07 |
| timeless | tell me if the page loads | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, it will want to go online | 18:08 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless, in maemo | 18:08 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: are you usre? | 18:08 |
| darkblue_B | well I have a lighttpd with php installed now on an N800 | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, it's a known bug | 18:08 |
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| darkblue_B | ..and I am about to try to create an ad hoc network | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, yes, i'm sure, i hit it too. | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, can't they just install the dummy plugin for icd? | 18:08 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: humor me? | 18:09 |
| darkblue_B | if I change /etc/network/interfaces to be ad hoc mode, does this bug apply? | 18:09 |
| timeless | we *wrote* code to get this right for localhost | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, it doesn't want a live connection, it only wants to escape from offline mode | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Red Hat had a meeting with the Russian communications ministry, which announced that the development of free software in Russia was one of its priorities. One concrete idea they talked about was using the Russian Fedora project as a step towards creating a national operating system. | 18:09 |
| timeless | oh wait erm, what? | 18:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/0902/e9/61ef1731769c.png | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Bleah. Can't even choose the right Linux distro. | 18:09 |
| timeless | so, if i'm not in offline mode, it won't try to up a network | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, you wrote it wrong? | 18:10 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: i'd like to know | 18:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: You are leaving me no choice but to add TI83 support... | 18:10 |
| timeless | could someone stop telling me what they remember | 18:10 |
| timeless | and actually walk through it w/ me? | 18:10 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, i haven't tried with latest maemo update | 18:10 |
| timeless | well good | 18:10 |
| timeless | so pretend you have no experience, and try :) | 18:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: :) | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, need a better ref image. :P | 18:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think the ENTER key has somewhat rectangular corners | 18:10 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, i can't | 18:10 |
| timeless | why not? | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, if i go offline, i won't be able to speak to you :) | 18:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, mine has rounded :) | 18:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: and the I letter in TI-83 is a bit thicker than T (probably an antialiasing glitch) | 18:11 |
| darkblue_B | slonopotamus: you have ony one computer! | 18:11 |
| darkblue_B | I will lend yo uone | 18:11 |
| timeless | darkblue_B: how about we try w/ you then? | 18:11 |
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| slonopotamus | darkblue_B, in train - yes, only one | 18:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: Btw, you rounded image corners on ti85 but left them sharp on ti86 and ti83 - is this how they are supposed to be? | 18:12 |
| darkblue_B | oohhhh train | 18:12 |
| timeless | for now, disable autoconnect in connectivity, and be in normal (not offline mode) | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:12 |
| darkblue_B | timeless: this is a high priority for me - I just want to understand your desired use case | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | maybe s/in train/on train/, not sure | 18:12 |
| * timeless wonders if the wimax people broke it | 18:12 | |
| timeless | on a train | 18:12 |
| timeless | (articles are important) | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, correct me :) | 18:12 |
| timeless | in train would mean you're physically in the walls | 18:13 |
| timeless | or that you typoed in training | 18:13 |
| darkblue_B | slonopotamus: your tablet must have a keyboard | 18:13 |
| slonopotamus | on a train, ok | 18:13 |
| timeless | darkblue_b: well | 18:13 |
| timeless | the question is can you visit http://127.1 or http://localhost w/o having a network established | 18:13 |
| timeless | there are further questions of can you do it from offline mode | 18:14 |
| slonopotamus | darkblue_B, my tablet has everything but coffee-maker | 18:14 |
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| timeless | but one baby step at a time | 18:14 |
| darkblue_B | my question is: can I serve DHCP as the base of an ad hoc network? | 18:14 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, I have a few things to test and then I will post my status to the forum later today | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: alright, how is it going with it? | 18:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: my Ti85 photo have smooth button edges, and 86/83 have sharp. I don't know if they are all the same, I never saw them alive :) | 18:15 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, how do i say 'i'm ON train', meaning i'm on its roof? | 18:15 |
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| timeless | you could say you're above the train, on top of the train, or just on the roof of the train | 18:16 |
| roope | 'You're in India.' :) | 18:17 |
| timeless | you could probably even say you're on the train's roof | 18:17 |
| slonopotamus | on A train, but on THE train's roof? this blows my mind | 18:19 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, I'm seeing some strange behavior. I just want make sure my i's are dotted and such before I say something more definitive. Was that obscure enough? :-) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: hehe, ok | 18:20 |
| slonopotamus | porting Gentoo is much easier :) | 18:20 |
| timeless | you wouldn't usually say you're on a train's roof | 18:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: No, I don't mean the button edges, I mean the skin corners | 18:20 |
| timeless | you could be on a roof of the train, i suppose even on a roof of a train | 18:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI85 has rounder corners | 18:21 |
| timeless | but... | 18:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: As to buttons, can't say for sure myself, although I did get to use a few of these gadgets | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, if i'll need to make some official speech in English, i'll ask you for corrections :) | 18:22 |
| timeless | s/i'll/i/ | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | s/if i'll/if i/ | 18:22 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: timeless, if i need to make some official speech in English, i'll ask you for corrections :) | 18:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i019.radikal.ru/0902/7e/3f335252054f.png slightly fixed (forgot to enlarge Alpha) | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | uh. you were 1 sec faster | 18:23 |
| Grackle | hah that is very well drawn | 18:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: wgetting... | 18:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI82/83/84 have got a different LCD controller =( | 18:24 |
| RST38h | 85/86 just map screen buffer into the main memory but 82/83/84 have it separate | 18:24 |
| johnx | heh | 18:25 |
| johnx | reminds me of a certain internet tablet... | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Or 3 :) | 18:25 |
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| thopiekar | hey there is a mothod to clone the internal flash to sd but this there a way, too, copy the partitions as files? | 18:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: tablet can do bulk transfers to lcd, just like nokia phones | 18:26 |
| thopiekar | * .. on sd... | 18:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: but this one is more like the old TMS9918 chip | 18:26 |
| wazd | awww, I was really excited to draw 84 :) | 18:26 |
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| johnx | thopiekar, dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/media/mmc2/my-internal-flash.jffs2 | 18:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: In case you are wondering, I am absolutely *not* doing B3-34 and its spawn =) | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, wtf is cx3110x-2.0.15.tar.bz2 ? garage project page has 0.8.1, 1.1 and 1.2 | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, and all of them are tar.gz, not tar.bz2 | 18:27 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 18:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:27 |
| johnx | pang | 18:27 |
| thopiekar | johnx: thanks.. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah.. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | The garage ones are way older compared to one from above | 18:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: :D | 18:29 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, google gives only deblet svn links for cx3110x-2.0.15.tar.bz2 | 18:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have one alive :) | 18:30 |
| slonopotamus | crazy people. 0.8.1 is newer than 1.2 | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: I gave up my MK-52 | 18:31 |
| RST38h | wazd: But still have the original 1kB MK-85 | 18:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have B3-34 as a shotgun replacement for thiefs xD | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | HEH | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, omg! | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | heh, that is. funny fact: mer running out of battery = shutting down | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: you don't really need the whole B3-34, just the batteries | 18:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: Just power brick :) | 18:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, as in "turns off suddenly" or "runs shutdown -h now" ? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: If I remember correctly, it had a modest power brick | 18:33 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: so um... | 18:33 |
| RST38h | By modern standards that is | 18:33 |
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| timeless | at least for the disconnected case, darkblue_B just tested and it works fine | 18:33 |
| * timeless is waiting for the results for the offline mode case | 18:33 | |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it has common size but it's very heavy :) | 18:33 |
| timeless | and it works in offline mode too | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not sure a shutdown -h now but it does the shut down splash screen | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, why??? why do you need separate package with sources? | 18:34 |
| slonopotamus | normal packages are build from source. what are source packages built from? | 18:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, it is a normal zener-diode brick | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | source + packaging | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that's actually terrifyingly sensible O_o | 18:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: The small ones used today are dynamic power supplies | 18:34 |
| RST38h | they regenerate voltage | 18:35 |
| timeless | sometimes i really hate users | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | It's usually more polite to have your packaging in a diff.gz but I guess cx3110x is a nokia thing anyway so packaging may as well be included | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i wouldn't mind a hibernate or something but yes.. that is sensible | 18:35 |
| timeless | they insist something doesn't work, because they remember it didn't work | 18:35 |
| timeless | but they don't actually check to see if it really doesn't work | 18:35 |
| timeless | or just theoretically doesn't work perfectly | 18:35 |
| ||cw | slonopotamus: normal packages are built from source packages, source packages are upstream source code plus distro specific patches and build and binary packaging scripts | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | noooo! | 18:37 |
| ||cw | in general | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | you have a package named cx3110x-src | 18:38 |
| ||cw | oh a kernel module source package... | 18:38 |
| ||cw | that's a package made for building for whatever kernel you happen to be running | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | and a package named cx3110x-module | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, btw do you build cx3110x without umac.ko? or do you use the dummy umac.ko? | 18:39 |
| ||cw | and that's one already built for a specific kernel | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: that .ko was made back in summer | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | i have no clue, really | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:39 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: regarding "not in autobuilder", we decided it was better to move on over those three areas than trying to get the kernel + modules building with the new toolchain | 18:41 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 18:42 |
| slonopotamus | wanna be accused of gpl violation? :) gimme build instructions for this stuff (kidfing) | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | john, the copy of the flash fails... " Input/output error" ? (the reason of my buggy screen? - a fu**** up filesystem?) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: .. | 18:43 |
| johnx | thopiekar, does it fail immediately or after a certain amount of time | 18:43 |
| johnx | ? | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Boot from a sd (or initfs) and use mtd-tools utils to dump to jffs2 file | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | You can then flash back with flasher-3.0 when you need to | 18:43 |
| thopiekar | hmm first of all I just needed to gain root access... | 18:43 |
| johnx | thopiekar, ah, sorry for misleading you. I think my method was doomed from the beginning... | 18:44 |
| thopiekar | then when running the command it stops with this message after a while | 18:44 |
| johnx | especially if you're booted from flash right now | 18:44 |
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| thopiekar | ok i see... | 18:44 |
| thopiekar | so how can i copy the internal flash then? | 18:45 |
| thopiekar | by booting from mer? | 18:46 |
| timeless | sp3000: why does the thunderbird import wizard run when it only offers Don't import anything? :) | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Should be possible, I've even done it from initfs by adding mtd-utils into my initfs image and doing it over telnet via g_ether | 18:46 |
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| andre__ | darkblue_B, what is the use of pasting the conversation in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339#c17 ? | 18:47 |
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| sp3000 | why did teh thunderbird import dialog cross the road? | 18:47 |
| timeless | andre__: i asked | 18:47 |
| timeless | although i hoped he'd have cleaned it up | 18:47 |
| timeless | the use is that the commenters are idiots and can't read | 18:47 |
| andre__ | ah | 18:47 |
| timeless | the bug is effectively fixed for the average case | 18:47 |
| timeless | if you try to visit http://localhost, it will work | 18:47 |
| andre__ | yeah, clean up would have been nice. i just quickly read and wondered how it helps | 18:48 |
| timeless | which means if you're complaining, you're just complaining because you like to complain | 18:48 |
| andre__ | means WORKSFORME ? | 18:48 |
| timeless | it's still technically broken | 18:48 |
| andre__ | hehe | 18:48 |
| timeless | but only for extreme cases | 18:48 |
| timeless | as i wrote in my earlier comments | 18:48 |
| timeless | which is why i didn't resolve it | 18:48 |
| timeless | but if it's just going to be a lightning rodd | 18:48 |
| timeless | s/d$// | 18:48 |
| timeless | then yes, kill the bug | 18:48 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless, you could kill it as a dupe of #1767, no? | 18:52 |
| timeless | that'd be rude | 18:52 |
| timeless | the poor bug was filed much earlier | 18:52 |
| timeless | and there's a reason we have dependencies in bugzilla | 18:53 |
| timeless | but yes | 18:53 |
| timeless | and no | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, #1767 has much cleaner description | 18:53 |
| timeless | because then we'd have more idiots commenting in it | 18:53 |
| timeless | i'd rather have the current bug as a lightning rod | 18:53 |
| timeless | than 1767 :) | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, hehe | 18:54 |
| slonopotamus | no localhost specs. hehe. | 18:54 |
| slonopotamus | target ip = one of devices ips -> do not connect. no? it isn't so simple? | 18:56 |
| timeless | well | 18:56 |
| timeless | 127.243 | 18:56 |
| timeless | is a valid address iirc | 18:56 |
| timeless | iirc it should technically work | 18:56 |
| timeless | and it's not just ip's | 18:57 |
| timeless | i can have 127.3.6.3 timeless | 18:57 |
| timeless | in /etc/hosts | 18:57 |
| timeless | and it should let me connect to http://timeless | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | and? don't connect then | 18:57 |
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| timeless | no. do connect. | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | err | 18:57 |
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| slonopotamus | rollback my last words | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | why hosts? iconfig! | 18:58 |
| timeless | and it isn't just http or host/ip's | 18:58 |
| timeless | what's iconfig? | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | s/ico/ifco/ | 18:58 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: why hosts? ifconfig! | 18:58 |
| timeless | ifconfig doesn't understand hostnames, it understands ip addresses | 18:58 |
| timeless | and i asked the browser to visit a hostname | 18:58 |
| * timeless frowns | 18:59 | |
| timeless | so... the real trick atm is to write an api | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus | good. if you can resolve while offline and it resolves to device address, then do not connect | 18:59 |
| timeless | well | 18:59 |
| timeless | not good enough | 19:00 |
| timeless | consider the case of usb networking | 19:00 |
| timeless | assume the user hasn't hacked their system | 19:00 |
| timeless | they're "offline" = "not connected to wifi" | 19:00 |
| timeless | and they have a network | 19:00 |
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| slonopotamus | usbnet is officially supported? | 19:00 |
| timeless | it should be possible using the requested api to determine you don't need to up a network in order to load http://server | 19:00 |
| timeless | if server is mapped to an address which is routable via usb | 19:01 |
| timeless | probably not | 19:01 |
| timeless | but using servers on your device isn't officially supported either | 19:01 |
| timeless | so don't try to exclude things just because of what's officially supported :) | 19:01 |
| johnx | it should be possible using common sense to just try to connect() to the IP and if it fails ask the user to go online... | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | ok, if you can resolve and it resolves into something you have a route for, then do not connect :) | 19:02 |
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| timeless | slonopotamus: need more coffee? | 19:02 |
| timeless | you're using too many negatives | 19:02 |
| johnx | errr...no. he's right timeless | 19:02 |
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| johnx | by 'do not connect' he means 'don't try to switch to online mode, just load the page' | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, yes | 19:03 |
| johnx | 'connect' is overloaded with too many definitions in this conversation :) | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | that's too long to type with onscreen kb | 19:03 |
| * johnx offers interpretation services | 19:03 | |
| lcuk | johnx, which languages do you translate? | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | mine 'connect' == 'popup connection dialog and ask user to go online' | 19:04 |
| johnx | lcuk, english into bad english, ESL -> JSL, and engrish into spanglish | 19:05 |
| lcuk | cool | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | the funny thing is that it only needs to escape offline mode | 19:05 |
| timeless | it=something (not(browser)) | 19:05 |
| timeless | because browser works for the basic cases | 19:05 |
| timeless | anyway | 19:05 |
| timeless | i think the answer, having asked one of the older devs here | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | current thing has 3 states, offline, not offline (but without connection) and online | 19:06 |
| timeless | is because "someone wrote a spec that said <look first> <ask> <don't leap>" | 19:06 |
| timeless | instead of letting engineers implement <leap> <when leap fails: ask> <when connected: leap again>" | 19:06 |
| johnx | nice | 19:06 |
| timeless | the maemo apps are consistently implemented | 19:06 |
| timeless | which is a fairly good indication there was a spec which said to do <x> | 19:07 |
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| timeless | the browser fwiw, essentially has code which does something like leap, when leap fails, ask, when connected, leap again | 19:07 |
| slonopotamus | somehow state 1 and state 2 differ, so opening localhost pages works in 2 but not in 1 | 19:07 |
| timeless | we needed it for wimax | 19:07 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: in which application? | 19:08 |
| timeless | because, i just had darkblue_b test it, and he indicated that it works for the browser in all the interesting states for all the basic addressables | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, microb. that bug is about microb. | 19:08 |
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| darkblue_B | yeah | 19:08 |
| timeless | ok, have you actually tested it? | 19:08 |
| timeless | because darkblue_b did | 19:08 |
| timeless | and i did | 19:08 |
| timeless | (ages ago) | 19:08 |
| timeless | and it worked for both of us | 19:08 |
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| darkblue_B | I was using microb.. the built in FF | 19:09 |
| darkblue_B | just a different web server | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes, you're right | 19:09 |
| timeless | s/FF/Gecko/ | 19:10 |
| timeless | FF is a UI we don't include :) | 19:10 |
| darkblue_B | ok Gecko | 19:10 |
| timeless | but that's ok :), you aren't expected to know that | 19:10 |
| darkblue_B | (I'm new) | 19:10 |
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| darkblue_B | so I wont mention WebKit at all, not once | 19:10 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 19:11 |
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| * timeless sighs | 19:12 | |
| timeless | Thunderbird in mer is slow | 19:12 |
| timeless | and it doesn't fit | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | Mozilla app in heavyweight runtime shocker ;-) | 19:12 |
| johnx | did you really expect a different outcome? | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, btw. i experienced this bug in microb when i changed default hostname | 19:12 |
| slonopotamus_ | 127.0.0.1 n800.home.ru n800 localhost | 19:13 |
| timeless | oh | 19:13 |
| timeless | well, yeah, um.. | 19:13 |
| slonopotamus_ | and n800 in /etc/hostname | 19:13 |
| timeless | as we said, the browser supports localhost because of a hack in browser | 19:14 |
| timeless | and very little else because it was a hack which didn't belong | 19:14 |
| timeless | because of a stupid UI/something spec elsewhere | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus_ | it's hardcoded to 'localhost'? | 19:14 |
| timeless | and a lack of a useful api | 19:14 |
| timeless | read the bug! | 19:14 |
| timeless | i quoted the code! | 19:14 |
| timeless | come on now | 19:14 |
| timeless | how hard is it to read a bug? | 19:14 |
| * timeless gets pissed | 19:14 | |
| slonopotamus_ | calm down :) | 19:14 |
| timeless | no. | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus_ | relax) | 19:14 |
| timeless | you must be <this> tall | 19:14 |
| slonopotamus_ | breathe deeply | 19:15 |
| timeless | thunderbird also doesn't do a particularly good job of honoring system colors | 19:15 |
| * timeless is using lcars | 19:15 | |
| johnx | which would be the reason at browser-ui exists instead of using firefox on maemo, right? | 19:16 |
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| timeless | the speed or the color stuff? | 19:16 |
| johnx | yes, both. | 19:16 |
| timeless | the reason the ui exists is because it predates gecko (we used opera) | 19:17 |
| timeless | the reason it continues to exist is because switching is expensive and we have stopping inertia | 19:17 |
| timeless | and to some extent the speed of Firefox isn't quite ready | 19:17 |
| johnx | you really think they'd be using an XUL UI though? | 19:17 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, you use 'local connection' term. i'd prefer 'connection that we have existing route for' | 19:17 |
| johnx | in maemo? | 19:17 |
| timeless | keep in mind, i'm running Thunderbird in Mer | 19:17 |
| timeless | in VMWare | 19:17 |
| timeless | on an underpowered 3+ year old laptop | 19:17 |
| suihkulokki | when is thunderbird 3.0 coming? | 19:18 |
| johnx | thunderbird isn't terribly fast running natively on an athlon 64 3000+ | 19:18 |
| timeless | suihkulokki: irc://moznet/thunderbird | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | thunderbird disappoints me in so many ways. | 19:18 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, icd... is it used in gnome for example? | 19:18 |
| johnx | certainly not *slow* ... but noticeably unfast | 19:18 |
| timeless | icd is a maemo 'innovation' | 19:18 |
| timeless | oops, i think thunderbird killed itself | 19:18 |
| suihkulokki | timeless: I'm sure they'd slap me for a FAQ | 19:18 |
| timeless | ouch | 19:18 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, and represents 'competitive advantage' thus it's closed source (in part) | 19:18 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, you even have route-base program there | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and the fact it's scaringly, often, better than NetworkManager | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:19 |
| timeless | Out of memory: kill process 3964 (run-mozilla.sh) score 85175 or a child | 19:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, heh, more expected than scaringly... | 19:19 |
| timeless | Killed process 3968 (thunderbird-bin) | 19:19 |
| timeless | that wasn't very nice of it | 19:19 |
| * timeless was kinda using thunderbird | 19:19 | |
| timeless | couldn't it have killed fennec instead? | 19:19 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes. however, nm-applet improves linearly with better drivers :) | 19:19 |
| timeless | johnx: this is part of its competitive advantage :) | 19:20 |
| slonopotamus_ | johnx, does mer use icd? | 19:20 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: thankfully mer does not :) | 19:20 |
| timeless | since it's closed, they can't use it atm | 19:20 |
| slonopotamus_ | cool | 19:20 |
| timeless | wait | 19:20 |
| timeless | if they can't use it | 19:20 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, nope. Stskeeps had a heroic battle with cx3110x and nm-applet and succeeded at the cost of a big chunk of his sanity | 19:20 |
| * slonopotamus_ waits | 19:20 | |
| timeless | how would a maemo platform targetted app work? | 19:20 |
| johnx | assume_connected=1 | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, well... it will be made mer platform targetted :D | 19:21 |
| * Stskeeps points to libconic | 19:21 | |
| Stskeeps | dbus wrapper | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | adapt libconic, deal done | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does arrow keys work in vmware? | 19:21 |
| timeless | speaking of which | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | s/does/do/ | 19:21 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Stskeeps, do arrow keys work in vmware? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: .. i think so? | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus_ | libconic is something i should look at? | 19:21 |
| timeless | qwerty: i use arrow keys... | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not here :/ | 19:22 |
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| timeless | works here | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: what app? | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | vi... | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | use vim | 19:22 |
| timeless | oh right | 19:22 |
| timeless | yeah, use vim | 19:22 |
| timeless | hjkl | 19:22 |
| timeless | or something are the 'arrow' keys in vi | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | yep, hkjl :) | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes, that makes me go beserk every time | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:22 |
| timeless | um | 19:22 |
| timeless | sts? | 19:22 |
| timeless | i don't have access to control panel/application manager in mer | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 19:23 |
| timeless | any idea why not? :) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: not sure why, i have armel problems with HAM atm, some weirdass libapt-pkg stuff | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | you on 0.7 image or 0.6 image? | 19:23 |
| timeless | didn't i start on 0.7? | 19:24 |
| timeless | how do i check? | 19:24 |
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| timeless | i've apt-get update'd/apt-get upgrade'd | 19:24 |
| timeless | (this morning even) | 19:24 |
| timeless | did you grab my core-dumps sysctl thing? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | now i'm going to cook :P | 19:25 |
| timeless | um | 19:25 |
| timeless | /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh is not readable! | 19:25 |
| * timeless wonders what the heck that means | 19:25 | |
| Stskeeps | we have a run-standalone? :P | 19:26 |
| johnx | timeless, part of the painful transition to sanity... | 19:26 |
| timeless | hildon-initscripts: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh | 19:26 |
| johnx | hmm... | 19:26 |
| timeless | well, um | 19:26 |
| timeless | i can't seem to run application-manager | 19:26 |
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| johnx | can you try it from X terminal? | 19:28 |
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| johnx | in that case you shouldn't need to use run-standalone | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: works for me, just apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, rebooted | 19:29 |
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| timeless | sts: yeah, something corrupted for me | 19:32 |
| timeless | any idea how to debug? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | no sorry, .xsession-errors is usually best bet these days | 19:32 |
| johnx | could you include a little more information than that? | 19:33 |
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| timeless | dunno, what do you need? | 19:33 |
| timeless | oddly, most things say "(no applications)" | 19:34 |
| timeless | but Settings is just blank | 19:34 |
| johnx | maybe the output of whatever command is complaing abooin? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably the category database got corrupted | 19:34 |
| timeless | there is no output | 19:35 |
| timeless | sounds reasonable | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: missing items in application menu | 19:35 |
| timeless | how do i destroy/rebuild the category database? | 19:35 |
| johnx | ah | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | in maemo, it's cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /home/user/.osso/menus/ ; update-desktop-database | 19:35 |
| timeless | $ update-desktop-database | 19:36 |
| timeless | No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated | 19:36 |
| timeless | s/$/./ | 19:36 |
| timeless | that error message is bad btw | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | point it manually to /usr/share/applications (/hildon) ? | 19:37 |
| timeless | andre__ re bug, thinking | 19:37 |
| timeless | same error for both | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | hrm, not good :/ | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: out of disk space? | 19:38 |
| timeless | avail=60m | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 19:38 |
| timeless | andre__: that bug is still scheduled to be fixed | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | works here | 19:38 |
| * timeless grumbles | 19:39 | |
| andre__ | scheduled to be fixed means there IS a schedule, or that it is NOT scheduled? | 19:39 |
| timeless | it is already that way today | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, happy birthday btw :) | 19:39 |
| timeless | so it'd take a number of demons to cause it not to be fixed | 19:39 |
| timeless | i suppose 'fixed in fremantle' | 19:39 |
| andre__ | fine | 19:39 |
| andre__ | thanks | 19:39 |
| timeless | andre__: i presume the last bug i filed to you will go out to the debian or whichever team, right? | 19:41 |
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| andre__ | haven't yet looked at the latest tickets, will do after dinner | 19:43 |
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| timeless | someone gave a pointer about where upstream was | 19:44 |
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| Lamo | I have gpasman installed on my nokia n810 and when i reflashed i lost my passwords since they were not stored in MyDocs. However I have gpasman installed on my gnome box too so I copied the file over to my Nokia so I could load the file instead having to reenter them again. My problem is bad file permissions. I tried chown user passwords.gps and chmod 755 passwords.gps with no luck. Dont suppose anyone in here would know what to do? thanks. | 19:46 |
| andre__ | timeless, i don't think that's a gtk string | 19:46 |
| timeless | it's free desktop | 19:46 |
| timeless | or rather | 19:46 |
| timeless | desktop-file-utils | 19:46 |
| timeless | but i can't find that component in your maze of stupid products/components ;b | 19:46 |
| timeless | oh | 19:47 |
| timeless | oops | 19:47 |
| timeless | it claims to be from the ubuntu desktop team | 19:47 |
| timeless | i'll move it to mer | 19:47 |
| timeless | sorry | 19:47 |
| * timeless sighs | 19:48 | |
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| andre__ | guess it's from shared-mime-info | 19:49 |
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| timeless | It says Maintainer: Ubuntu Desktop Team | 19:49 |
| timeless | Original-Maintainer: Ross Burton <ross@debian.org> | 19:50 |
| timeless | i can dump the package info to a file if you want it | 19:50 |
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| andre__ | hmm. string is not in the package shared-mime-info 0.51 :-/ | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | AFBN810: btw, when you're back on a stationary, let's talk mirroring :P | 19:52 |
| timeless | the package is really desktop-file-utils | 19:52 |
| timeless | i have 0.15 | 19:52 |
| AFBN810 | stskeeps I'm at my house one sec I'll get on desktop | 19:53 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hey | 19:53 |
| andre__ | timeless, yupp, found it | 19:53 |
| * timeless shrugs | 19:54 | |
| timeless | 309 is just noise anyway | 19:54 |
| timeless | i already gave clean steps many comments back | 19:54 |
| timeless | btw, re themes and microb | 19:55 |
| timeless | most themes are horribly broken for maemo | 19:55 |
| timeless | themes have two components | 19:55 |
| timeless | bitmaps and text rules | 19:55 |
| timeless | gecko tries to use the text rules | 19:55 |
| timeless | which are usually incompatible w/ everything | 19:55 |
| timeless | (including themselves) | 19:55 |
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| timeless | sorry, i'm not used to mixed environments, but that's why they pay you the big bucks :) | 19:57 |
| timeless | (re mer/ubuntu/debian/maemo) | 19:57 |
| andre__ | uh, big bucks. need to search for them under my bed where the money is :-P | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__ needs a monthly donation of vodka and wine for all the work he does ;) | 19:58 |
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| andre__ | well, i admit i do get paid for this :-P | 19:58 |
| andre__ | but additional vodka and wine... i won't say no | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:59 |
| * qwerty12 would lol at someone doing andre__'s work voluntaryly :p | 19:59 | |
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| qwerty12 | if that's a word :/ | 19:59 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I'm here what you want to talk about | 20:01 |
| andre__ | qwerty12, hmm... i've been doing this already for years in gnome. so lol loudly at me now! ;-) | 20:01 |
| * qwerty12 lol's at andre__ :P | 20:01 | |
| andre__ | yay! | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: well, if you're willing to donate some space and bw for mer mirroring/hosting, it would be nice :P just to provide people with a better dl | 20:01 |
| * qwerty12 wouldn't be a good bugmaster. "motherfucker, describe your bug properly fuckwit" | 20:02 | |
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| Stskeeps | gah. why doesn't my laptop have eggtimer.. | 20:02 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah you can use all you want | 20:02 |
| timeless | yeah, in the end, i explode at bug people | 20:02 |
| mib_ui9g20 | Hello ! | 20:02 |
| andre__ | as long as people understand what a "bug tracker" is and the difference to a support forum i'm fine | 20:03 |
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| mib_ui9g20 | I'm trying an experiment to make gui with gtkhtml2 | 20:03 |
| * timeless frowns | 20:03 | |
| andre__ | i'm happy if i receive my daily hate mail by people :-P | 20:03 |
| mib_ui9g20 | as you can see with this sample : http://pastebin.com/mca78bf1 | 20:03 |
| timeless | do i care if someone has a theme path which is a symlink? | 20:03 |
| timeless | oh stupid question.. | 20:03 |
| lcuk | hello khertan | 20:03 |
| timeless | can someone be dumb enough to do: | 20:03 |
| timeless | a -> b | 20:03 |
| timeless | b -> c | 20:04 |
| timeless | c -> b | 20:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | just let me know what login info you want for shh access to my server | 20:04 |
| mib_ui9g20 | but i does there is a way to make the thing unselectable | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | andre__, mind if I start the Andre's hate mail mailing list? :P | 20:04 |
| timeless | and have a path set to /a/something | 20:04 |
| mib_ui9g20 | and clicking is really difficult | 20:04 |
| mib_ui9g20 | 'lo lcuk | 20:04 |
| andre__ | qwerty12, go ahead. got some nice ones here, one day i'll publish them in a book if there's still paper in a few years :) | 20:04 |
| mib_ui9g20 | lcuk: how do you recognize me ? | 20:04 |
| * lcuk recognised you without your usual jacket | 20:04 | |
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| lcuk | intuition :) | 20:05 |
| mib_ui9g20 | my english is so bad ? | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | andre__, heh :/. I'm only joking, I love your work (even if I don't contribute much to bugzilla) :D | 20:05 |
| lcuk | no, it was the "Hello !" | 20:05 |
| lcuk | then talking about gtk ui ;) | 20:05 |
| lcuk | and also cos of your pastebin says "posted by khertan" | 20:05 |
| mib_ui9g20 | or am i the only guy trying to display calendar on nit ? | 20:05 |
| andre__ | mib_ui9g20, switch off your webcam or add at least a password check - that was way too easy :-P | 20:06 |
| lcuk | no ive got one as well | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | but mine will be handwritten | 20:06 |
| mib_ui9g20 | oups burned !! | 20:06 |
| lcuk | it would be nice to have proper ical support as well :) | 20:06 |
| Corsac | onion: ping ? | 20:07 |
| mib_ui9g20 | yeah ... ical import export is done but not debugged | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i saw your post about syncml - i agree ;) its way OTT | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i would have more fun getting hundreds of papercuts on my lower regions | 20:07 |
| mib_ui9g20 | handwritten is well but a bit difficult for sync without implementing ocr | 20:08 |
| lcuk | not really - and besides, OCR cannot handle the marks and ticks that me and the missus do on our real calendar | 20:08 |
| mib_ui9g20 | at this time i m making manyh gui experimentation :) like with gtkhtml2 | 20:09 |
| lcuk | if oyu have a real calendar on your wall which you and your GF sync, do you always use fully detailed train timetable entries | 20:09 |
| lcuk | or just say little things that mean something to YOU | 20:09 |
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| mib_ui9g20 | but still require a text date entry to order things and for alarm :) | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | different problem, click on day say remind me | 20:10 |
| timeless | andre__: hey, i did guess freedesktop, didn't i? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | on the day it shows you the day entry with an alarm | 20:10 |
| lcuk | job done | 20:10 |
| timeless | i just couldn't find a way to file bugs for that in platform | 20:10 |
| lcuk | no need for ocr | 20:10 |
| timeless | anyway,. thanks :) | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | mib_ui9g20, but i agree, an proper cal ribbon below each day is a nice thing to add | 20:11 |
| mib_ui9g20 | so there isn t any gtkhtml2 expert here ? | 20:12 |
| lcuk | khertan, you may have to try #gtk itself | 20:12 |
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| mib_ui9g20 | hum right | 20:13 |
| mib_ui9g20 | hum seems not to be on freenode | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, Stskeeps, theme switcher is a step closer. I can send the _GTK_READ_RCFILES signal and it works :) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 20:15 |
| lcuk | khertan #GTK+ | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | timelE61i, any objections to me packaging your perl script? (lowercase thing is a dirty hack, considering that Titan for example uses Titan as directory) | 20:17 |
| timeless | none | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | s/timelE61i/timeless/ | 20:17 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: timeless, any objections to me packaging your perl script? (lowercase thing is a dirty hack, considering that Titan for example uses Titan as directory) | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, thanks. | 20:17 |
| timeless | oh, i reply to timelE61i | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | ah :) | 20:17 |
| timeless | i was actually starting to clean up the code to have real variable names | 20:17 |
| timeless | but if you have it working and all | 20:17 |
| timeless | then i'll stop :) | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, perl part I haven't really worked on :). It's just getting currently open windows to switch themes | 20:18 |
| timeless | ok | 20:18 |
| timeless | did you fix it to handle the cancel case? | 20:18 |
| timeless | or do you want me to work on it? | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | Could you work on it please, I don't know any perl :) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | "upstreamier" | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's a new word. | 20:19 |
| * timeless likes it | 20:19 | |
| qwerty12 | Also, matchbox-remote invocation may need to be nicer, matchbox-remote wants the name of the folder the theme is in - not the name of the theme as defined in index.theme | 20:19 |
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| timeless | it does? | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 20:19 |
| timeless | that's not a problem | 20:19 |
| timeless | i have that | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | Wicked, thanks | 20:20 |
| * timeless had serious issues figuring out WTF it wanted | 20:20 | |
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| timeless | andre__: i think i'm about to file a bug about matchbox-remote :) | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | matchbox-remote isnt used in fremantle probably, cos of libmatchbox2 | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | (i would guess) | 20:21 |
| timeless | the maintainer of matchbox in Mer is tapani palli | 20:22 |
| timeless | and it claims to be 2:1.2-fremantle-osso18mer1 | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Nothing really uses it even in diablo, it's just a way for the user to send commands I guess | 20:22 |
| timeless | so as far as i'm concerned, it's fair game for bug filing | 20:22 |
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| timeless | andre__: 4095 for your upstreaming pleasure :) | 20:26 |
| johnx | heh...upstream to intel? | 20:27 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, things are not looking strange any more, the lesson learned is when communicating with bme_RX-[34]4 you have to get in and then get out. No hanging around. open -- talk -- close | 20:27 |
| timeless | they own matchbox? | 20:27 |
| * timeless shrugs | 20:27 | |
| johnx | matchbox is o-hand | 20:27 |
| timeless | heh, sure, why not? | 20:27 |
| timeless | i'm in favor of a community which shares w/ everyone | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: ah, yes | 20:28 |
| timeless | that's a good way for nokia to contribute | 20:28 |
| timeless | actually showing that downstreams can work w/ upstreams | 20:28 |
| johnx | "It's a bug in the stupid ARM processor. matchbox --help works correctly on a core 2 duo." :D | 20:28 |
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| timeless | (it's very rare, especially amongst debian derivatives) | 20:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, what do you want the theme-selector package to be called? I'll work on packaging the gtk_read_rcfiles program while I wait for timeless's fixes :) | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | I may have answered my own question actually :/ | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: .. hildon-theme-selector | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:30 |
| timeless | heh | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | I swear I just thought of that :P | 20:30 |
| timeless | qwerty: do i really need to poke matchbox-remote at all? | 20:32 |
| timeless | and fwiw, it's not really liking me at all | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, yep, to get titlebar theme changed | 20:32 |
| timeless | and you said it wants a directory and not a theme name? | 20:33 |
| timeless | hrm, no | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | yep, not the whole /usr/share/themes/<theme> , just <theme> | 20:33 |
| timeless | a lowercase theme name seems to work | 20:33 |
| timeless | ok | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Not for /usr/share/themes/Titan :) | 20:33 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, you around> | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: yeah, but getting hot stuff out of the oven in a sec | 20:34 |
| timeless | ok, my code works again | 20:34 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, when you get a chance just give me the login details you want and I'll set you up | 20:36 |
| timeless | ooh, now the big x asks me if i want to quit | 20:36 |
| AndrewFBlack | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=263539#post263539 Just finished my tutorial on setting up LXDE for Mer | 20:36 |
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| timeless | um | 20:36 |
| timeless | hildon-desktop is kinda stupid | 20:37 |
| timeless | it's using a random icon for fennec | 20:37 |
| timeless | first it used Xterm | 20:37 |
| timeless | now it's using Xchat | 20:37 |
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| oli | what's the easiest way to make a video call to PC from n800? | 20:39 |
| johnx | gizmo | 20:39 |
| andre__ | mmm, matchbox. this will become my 13th bugzilla account it seems :-P | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | andre, the human manifestation of a bugzilla | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:40 |
| Macer | shit... this damn ffmpeg install in osx is taking forever with ports | 20:41 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, where did you get the other data structures on this page? Did someone from Nokia give it to you? http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol | 20:41 |
| Macer | er.. darwinports | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: tedious glancing at socket traffic | 20:41 |
| qwerty12 | nice... grep in scratchbox causes it to segfault... | 20:41 |
| oli | johnx: what about bulit-in SIP client? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: and use of FTD | 20:42 |
| johnx | oli, that should work as well, but gizmo is what I have experience with | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | daperl: there is a better way but i cant get my head around how hald-addon-bme does it | 20:43 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, what do you mean? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: as in it is possible to ask BME to either make or connect to a unix socket where it sends async messages out | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | which is obviously better than bulk polling | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | as i have no clue which messages correspond to what, i'm not going to risk my tablet beyond the bulk polling of data, so :P | 20:45 |
| timeless | um | 20:46 |
| timeless | stupid question | 20:46 |
| timeless | what settings does zenity use to decide how it paints things? | 20:46 |
| johnx | what gtk theme to use or ...? | 20:46 |
| timeless | yeah | 20:47 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, what's FTD? and did you add stuff to the cbus driver to sniff stuff? | 20:47 |
| johnx | it must be pulling from some env variable | 20:47 |
| timeless | because i'm definitely seeing matchbox switch something | 20:47 |
| timeless | but i'm not seeing zenity honor my theme | 20:47 |
| timeless | um | 20:48 |
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| timeless | qwerty? | 20:48 |
| timeless | for me, i have to do matchbox-remote -t Titan | 20:48 |
| slonopotamus_ | honor or honour? | 20:48 |
| timeless | otherwise it doesn't work | 20:48 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, "risking the tablet", when I said strange earlier I really meant scary | 20:48 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: I'm an American, I speak en-US | 20:48 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, yep. Titan has the theme folder with a uppercase letter | 20:48 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, it's like color/colour? | 20:48 |
| timeless | yes | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: there's a reason i keep the BME communication to information gathering only, cos i have no idea what monsters hide in it | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless, k | 20:49 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, current gtk theme files get changed by your script and newly invoked gtk apps (in this case zenity) see the change | 20:49 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless, getting the folder name of where the index.theme is stored will be enough for matchbox-remote | 20:50 |
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| timeless | qwerty: gotcha | 20:51 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, well, who has the value-setting algorithms: hald-addon-bme or bme_RX-[34]4? If it's hald-addon-bme, which I suspect it is, shouldn't we move on? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: er? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: hald-addon-bme just pulls info from BME :) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | and we cannot get addon-bme, just bme, so | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | if we had hald-addon-bme we wouldn't be having this conversation | 20:54 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, I thought we were trying to replace hald-addon-bme | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yes we are | 20:56 |
| timeless | so um | 20:56 |
| timeless | could someone please tell me how to get zenity to honor my theme? | 20:56 |
| johnx | timeless, are you running from an ssh session or from an xterm? | 20:58 |
| timeless | xterm | 20:58 |
| timeless | but for some reason my xterm didn't have DISPLAY set | 20:58 |
| timeless | oh | 20:58 |
| timeless | no, not true | 20:58 |
| timeless | xterm; ssh root@127.1; su timeless | 20:58 |
| timeless | so, ssh w/o x forwarding :) | 20:58 |
| timeless | wow | 20:59 |
| timeless | it works so much better just using a real xterm :) | 20:59 |
| johnx | yes :) | 20:59 |
| timeless | ok | 20:59 |
| timeless | is it possible to get zenity to let people click on either column? | 20:59 |
| timeless | right now y ou have to click the radio button, which isn't ideal | 21:00 |
| johnx | probably not possible without modifying zenity | 21:00 |
| timeless | qwerty: new picker on webwizardry.net/~timeless/ | 21:00 |
| timeless | same zip | 21:00 |
| johnx | BTW, themes work appropriately in start-hildon and first-boot-wizard...so whatever env vars are exported in those are a good starting point | 21:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, thanks | 21:01 |
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| slono[en_RU] | ~man perl | 21:04 |
| infobot | No manual entry for perl | 21:04 |
| slono[en_RU] | strange | 21:04 |
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| Phantom | timeless: I downloaded binaries from maemo repos, and tried to run apt-get from local repo mirror. It showed some messages, but worked out. After that I launched hildon (ot whatever it is called) package manager. It showed application list (oh, finally!) but then it rewrote /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ with original contents and atopped working again. What should I change to prevent this? | 21:04 |
| timeless | qwerty: one moment | 21:05 |
| timeless | phantom: use a file name that isn't hildon*.list | 21:05 |
| timeless | anything *.list in that dir is honored | 21:05 |
| timeless | qwerty: grab it again | 21:05 |
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| Phantom | Yeah, I know the filename. But contents of hildon*.list was rewritten by GUI package manager after I launched it. | 21:06 |
| timeless | it should no longer break if you cancel | 21:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'll get to debianising it in 30m | 21:06 |
| timeless | yeah, but that file is owned by ham | 21:06 |
| timeless | any file in that dir ending in .list will be read and used | 21:06 |
| timeless | there's an xml file elsewhere if you actually want to influence ham's ui | 21:07 |
| * timeless has hacked it at times | 21:07 | |
| timeless | mxr.maemo.org has sources for ham if you want to read... | 21:07 |
| * timeless wonders what "Can't play media streams" means | 21:07 | |
| Phantom | It is really disappointing when it behaves as it wished instead of following written instructions. | 21:07 |
| * timeless shrugs | 21:08 | |
| timeless | you're misusing it :) | 21:08 |
| timeless | now would someone please tell me what magic i need to let ham even run on my box? | 21:08 |
| johnx | timeless, if you launch it from an xterm (without being sshed into localhost!) does it return without printing anything? | 21:09 |
| timeless | correct | 21:09 |
| johnx | I had the same problem on a .6 image | 21:09 |
| timeless | any fix? | 21:09 |
| johnx | if you are able to test a vanilla .7 image that would be helpful | 21:10 |
| * timeless ponders | 21:10 | |
| timeless | lsb_release just says ubuntu jaunty 9.04 | 21:10 |
| johnx | or I'll test one :) | 21:10 |
| timeless | how do i know what version of mer i have? | 21:10 |
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| johnx | one sec. logging into a mer box :) | 21:11 |
| timeless | i mean, i have a 2g rootfs w/ 1.1g used | 21:11 |
| timeless | i don't really feel like zipping it :) | 21:11 |
| johnx | ah, this might give us a clue. run: groups | 21:13 |
| johnx | as your user | 21:13 |
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| timeless | timeless adm audio video plugdev users netdev admin | 21:14 |
| johnx | seems like a .7 image... | 21:14 |
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| johnx | I'll reboot into mer and follow along | 21:14 |
| timeless | that's what i thought | 21:14 |
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| johnx | I take it your menu still doesn't work? | 21:19 |
| johnx | try it as hildon-application-manager.launch | 21:22 |
| timeless | my menu is 90% borked | 21:22 |
| timeless | i've tried | 21:22 |
| timeless | oh | 21:22 |
| timeless | actually | 21:22 |
| timeless | that worked | 21:22 |
| timeless | but um | 21:22 |
| timeless | the icon is broken | 21:22 |
| timeless | it's showing xterm :) | 21:22 |
| johnx | the score so far: running as hildon-application-manager doesn't work for me either. I do have the correct icon however | 21:23 |
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| timeless | i'm using some other theme | 21:23 |
| timeless | probably lcars | 21:23 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm thinking your icon issues might be related to menu or theme issues | 21:23 |
| timeless | nope, okuda | 21:23 |
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| timeless | hrm | 21:24 |
| timeless | it seems i picked titan | 21:24 |
| timeless | and wow | 21:24 |
| timeless | these themes kinda mostly work | 21:24 |
| * timeless is impressed | 21:24 | |
| * timeless should install the rest of diablo into mer and see how it looks | 21:25 | |
| timeless | (yes, mer-x86) | 21:25 |
| johnx | might want to do a snapshot of your vm first :) | 21:25 |
| timeless | i'm assuming my problem is caused by the desktop-db corruption | 21:26 |
| timeless | nah, everything that matters came from swift | 21:26 |
| johnx | well, you know what they say about assumptions... | 21:26 |
| timeless | anyone know what MathJinni is? | 21:26 |
| timeless | is mathjinni in garage? | 21:28 |
| timeless | it's in maemo extras | 21:28 |
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| johnx | ~lart fragmentation in consumer-oriented embedded linux distros | 21:34 |
| * infobot decapitates fragmentation in consumer-oriented embedded linux distros conan the destroyer style | 21:34 | |
| timeless | andre__: so... i think i'm just going to create components for a bunch of extras, one bug at a time :) | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | will the authors see them? | 21:36 |
| timeless | um, that's andre__'s problem | 21:36 |
| andre__ | hmmm? | 21:36 |
| andre__ | what authors? | 21:36 |
| timeless | visit bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Extras | 21:36 |
| timeless | there's now a MathJinni | 21:36 |
| timeless | because the author couldn't spell 'and' correctly | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | authors of the packages in extras.. are the bugs fwded or? | 21:37 |
| andre__ | timeless, did the maintainers request to create the products/components in maemo.org bugzilla? | 21:37 |
| timeless | no | 21:37 |
| andre__ | do they know about it? | 21:37 |
| timeless | but i'd rather they just get components and have someone like you or sts or gan tell them about it | 21:37 |
| andre__ | doesn't make sense and i'm against this | 21:37 |
| timeless | in debian if you have a package, and you get a bug, a component like thing automagically happens | 21:38 |
| andre__ | e.g. if maintainers already have a bugtracker somewhere | 21:38 |
| andre__ | like in garage | 21:38 |
| timeless | we promised to close garage | 21:38 |
| andre__ | who's "we"? | 21:38 |
| andre__ | i just said "for those willing to move" | 21:38 |
| timeless | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla | 21:38 |
| andre__ | yupp, longterm. but seems we disagree about the path to get there ;-0 | 21:39 |
| andre__ | oops, should have been ;-) | 21:39 |
| andre__ | i don't see maemo.org bugzilla as a place to file bugs that will most likely get ignored if there's no backing by the maintainers | 21:39 |
| timeless | well, i promise not to migrate more than 10 a week :) | 21:39 |
| andre__ | still it does not make sense | 21:39 |
| * timeless ponders | 21:39 | |
| timeless | i'm not going to file bugs in garage | 21:39 |
| timeless | if you want a single dumping ground 'misc' and for me to file bugs there, i can do that | 21:40 |
| andre__ | "ah, i dislike the Notepad in Windows XP. Let me set up an item for it in a Bugzilla installation." ? | 21:40 |
| andre__ | hmm | 21:40 |
| timeless | if we ship notepad.exe, yes. | 21:40 |
| timeless | (in extras) | 21:40 |
| andre__ | if the maintainers are fine with it okay | 21:40 |
| andre__ | if not it's useless | 21:40 |
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| andre__ | then take "Microsoft Word 2007" ;-) | 21:40 |
| timeless | eep | 21:40 |
| timeless | Select location appeared | 21:41 |
| timeless | and seems to maybe work? | 21:41 |
| timeless | what's this world coming to? | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: yeah, fixed it earlier | 21:41 |
| andre__ | timeless, i only want products in Extras if and only if the maintainers do care about the incoming reports. | 21:41 |
| andre__ | otherwise it's just noise. | 21:42 |
| timeless | andre__: i only wnat things in extras if they care | 21:42 |
| timeless | if they don't care, i want them out of extras :) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | libtool2 vs libtool1 fucks up a -lot- of things in maemo launcher using stuff | 21:42 |
| timeless | and i like using bugzillas to show whether someone cares | 21:42 |
| andre__ | timeless, yupp. solve that first, then come back to me :) | 21:42 |
| * timeless ponders | 21:42 | |
| timeless | bugzilla doesn't have a way of having 'closed for new entry; read this' | 21:43 |
| andre__ | if you do know that the maintainers will care about the reports, then i'm more than fine with creating a product in maemo.org bugzilla | 21:43 |
| timeless | it just has 'closed for new entry' | 21:43 |
| andre__ | otherwise i'm not | 21:43 |
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| timeless | andre__: can we delete the media converter thing by nokia? | 21:43 |
| khertan | Hello ! | 21:43 |
| timeless | by that logic, it doesn't belong | 21:43 |
| khertan | again :) | 21:43 |
| timeless | i know they don't care :) | 21:43 |
| andre__ | timeless, problem is that it's currently not maintained, yupp | 21:44 |
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| andre__ | yes, the logic is right. but i prefer "do not make the same mistake *again*" with stressing "again" | 21:44 |
| timeless | heh | 21:44 |
| andre__ | i don't support "let's delete that component and remove the submitted reports" :) | 21:44 |
| timeless | oh, i don't believe in deleting | 21:45 |
| timeless | but i do believe in track records | 21:45 |
| timeless | if we close media converter | 21:45 |
| timeless | i can use it to show "those guys from nokia can't be trusted to maintain their stuff | 21:45 |
| timeless | - if they ask for another product, we won't give it to them | 21:45 |
| timeless | - and we certainly won't do it w/o a discussion | 21:45 |
| timeless | " | 21:45 |
| timeless | gah | 21:46 |
| timeless | i can't install omweather | 21:46 |
| timeless | sts: who's working on that? :( | 21:46 |
| andre__ | heh... yeah :-/ | 21:46 |
| timeless | bugzilla is good for track records | 21:46 |
| timeless | similarly, if some guy tries to push to extras | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: requires liblocation | 21:46 |
| timeless | i'd like to be able to say "no, you aren't maintaining your bugs" | 21:47 |
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| timeless | sts: yes... | 21:47 |
| timeless | Can't install omweather. | 21:47 |
| timeless | Some necessary packages are not available. | 21:47 |
| timeless | -- | 21:47 |
| timeless | anyone have suggestions for the wording? | 21:47 |
| * timeless doesn't like 'necessary packages' | 21:47 | |
| timeless | required? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | the following packages are not available | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, probably could be removed - it's for gps which isn't essential | 21:48 |
| lcuk | and technically its not a bug yet. it can be resolved as works in diablo :P | 21:48 |
| timeless | qwerty: correct | 21:48 |
| timeless | lcuk: this thing doesn't say which aren't available | 21:49 |
| timeless | you have to click details for that | 21:49 |
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| * khertan will going crazing trying to found an "sexy" way to render a calendar on maemo ! | 21:49 | |
| timeless | khertan: liqbase | 21:49 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, You try loging in yet? | 21:49 |
| khertan | timeless: i mean a real calendar not just only three line linked together to display a box | 21:49 |
| timeless | gah, i can't install maemopadplus either | 21:49 |
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| khertan | :) | 21:50 |
| johnx | from maemo extras in mer? | 21:50 |
| timeless | johnx: i guess so | 21:50 |
| timeless | it wants wpeditor0 | 21:50 |
| johnx | you guess so? | 21:50 |
| timeless | Can't install maemopadplus; | 21:50 |
| johnx | where are you getting maemopadplus from? | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, apt-get source :> | 21:50 |
| timeless | it needs: wpeditor0 (>= 2.12-0) | 21:50 |
| timeless | johnx: how should i know? ham won't tell me :) | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wpeditor is open btw | 21:51 |
| timeless | (someone please file a bug!) | 21:51 |
| andre__ | ...and crap, rewriting empty lines in editor and modest | 21:51 |
| lcuk | khertan, its actually quite a complex object tree. broken into weeks and days and with a display area and a title header | 21:51 |
| lcuk | quite similar to html actually :) | 21:51 |
| * lcuk hugs a tree | 21:52 | |
| johnx | timeless, did you add the maemo extras repo to h-a-m in ner? | 21:52 |
| johnx | is that how you're trying to install maemopadplus? | 21:52 |
| timeless | dunno? :) | 21:52 |
| timeless | i'm using ham to try | 21:53 |
| * timeless kicks titan | 21:53 | |
| johnx | maemopadplus isn't in mer repos AFAIK... | 21:53 |
| lcuk | johnx, Stskeeps had maemopadplus right at the start - wonder why it wont install now | 21:53 |
| johnx | lcuk, maemopad != maemopadplus | 21:53 |
| johnx | :) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 21:53 |
| lcuk | difference? (and dont say plus:P) | 21:53 |
| timeless | i h ave diablo extras and diablo extras-devel | 21:53 |
| timeless | if that's what you're asking | 21:53 |
| johnx | timeless, ok, that's not gonna work for the most part | 21:54 |
| timeless | also mer alpha | 21:54 |
| timeless | johnx: because? | 21:54 |
| johnx | because mer != diablo | 21:54 |
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| timeless | why not? :) | 21:54 |
| johnx | actually it works for everyone else but you :) | 21:55 |
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| johnx | there's a special if [ $USER = timeless ] ; then fail ; fi | 21:55 |
| * timeless wonders what a distribution is | 21:55 | |
| khertan | ping ? | 21:55 |
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| timeless | hi khertan | 21:56 |
| khertan | ? | 21:57 |
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| khertan | hum ... strange lag | 21:57 |
| khertan | hi timeless | 21:57 |
| khertan | again :) | 21:57 |
| timeless | pong | 21:57 |
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| timeless | qwerty: how's that thing going? | 21:57 |
| * timeless really wants theme switching | 21:57 | |
| timeless | (for running apps) | 21:57 |
| timeless | aww, i can't install mediabox | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, well, making a source package that generates packages based on indep & arch rule on a tablet takes a while :) | 21:59 |
| timeless | it needs libsdl1.2, libsdl1.2, libid3-3.8.3, libid3-3.8.3 | 21:59 |
| timeless | anyone know why ham listed those things twice? | 21:59 |
| timeless | nice | 21:59 |
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| timeless | mntes needs libbluetooth2 (>=3.9-oso1), libbluetooth2 (>= 3.28), libbluetooth2 (>= 3.28) | 22:00 |
| zakkm | Hi, i just installed mer 0.7 and when it rebooted ( installed finished ) all i get is nokia logo | 22:00 |
| zakkm | it doesnt seem to get past that point | 22:00 |
| zakkm | nokia turns off evantually | 22:00 |
| zakkm | (Nokia N800) | 22:01 |
| * timeless is impressed | 22:02 | |
| timeless | pidgin bonjour support seems to install | 22:02 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: you here? | 22:02 |
| timeless | zakkm: does that include a progress bar? | 22:02 |
| zakkm | no | 22:02 |
| zakkm | just the fisrt logo | 22:02 |
| zakkm | that says NOKIA | 22:02 |
| zakkm | and then it switches off | 22:03 |
| timeless | aww, it fails to install | 22:03 |
| zakkm | doesnt even get to boot loader though | 22:03 |
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| johnx | zakkm, did bootmenu seem to install ok? | 22:03 |
| zakkm | perfectly | 22:04 |
| zakkm | it said press enter for reboot | 22:04 |
| zakkm | i did enter.. by onscreen keyboard | 22:04 |
| zakkm | it rebooted and now just the logo | 22:04 |
| zakkm | johnx: ^ | 22:04 |
| zakkm | it just does the blue nokia logo .. and then switch off after like 15secnds | 22:04 |
| johnx | hmm | 22:04 |
| johnx | that's pretty odd | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, what is osso-pick-theme licenced under? | 22:05 |
| zakkm | you know the backup of initfs? | 22:05 |
| timeless | MIT or PD | 22:05 |
| zakkm | it said failed backup, but it continued fine | 22:05 |
| timeless | pick the license you prefer | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't have a preference, mind if I just say it can be dual licenced? :) | 22:05 |
| timeless | i'm not sure if that's possible | 22:06 |
| timeless | pd=public domain | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah.. | 22:06 |
| timeless | it should release it from having an owner of sorts | 22:06 |
| zakkm | johnx : if i plug into usb.. it goes fine in the host mode is it called | 22:06 |
| timeless | i prefer PD i think | 22:06 |
| timeless | so if you're willing to package it that way :) | 22:06 |
| johnx | zakkm, you mean into "flash update" mode? | 22:06 |
| timeless | otherwise, just mark it MIT | 22:06 |
| timeless | MIT should be compatible w/ everything | 22:06 |
| zakkm | yeah | 22:06 |
| zakkm | where i hold home and power button when boot | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, ok :) | 22:06 |
| johnx | timeless, if you release it PD he can just relicense it :) | 22:06 |
| zakkm | so i am able to reflash it.. but i would like not to have to | 22:07 |
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| johnx | zakkm, do you have a linux desktop to flash it with? | 22:07 |
| zakkm | mac | 22:07 |
| zakkm | can put in a linux livecd? | 22:07 |
| timeless | johnx: true | 22:07 |
| johnx | good enough :) | 22:07 |
| zakkm | i dont want to reflash though | 22:07 |
| zakkm | :( | 22:07 |
| johnx | right, so you jsut reflash Nokia's initfs :) | 22:08 |
| zakkm | i dont want to lose everything | 22:08 |
| zakkm | could mac do that? | 22:08 |
| johnx | yes | 22:08 |
| zakkm | i dont have the image tho | 22:08 |
| johnx | have you used the command line flasher before? | 22:08 |
| zakkm | yes | 22:08 |
| johnx | ok, I'll try and walk you through it | 22:08 |
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| timeless | so, is someone going to package libsdl? | 22:08 |
| zakkm | do i need the rx-34/44 image? | 22:09 |
| johnx | zakkm, yup. get the one that matches whatever you have installed right now. you have the latest version of diablo, right? | 22:09 |
| zakkm | yes | 22:09 |
| * timeless cries | 22:09 | |
| johnx | timeless, ubuntu probably has already... | 22:09 |
| timeless | i can't even install User Guides | 22:09 |
| zakkm | like to stay uptodate | 22:09 |
| timeless | they need osso-core-config | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, you actually read them? :) | 22:10 |
| zakkm | could it of failed cause i had bootmenu installed previously? | 22:10 |
| timeless | johnx: why doesn't ham find it? | 22:10 |
| johnx | zakkm, ok, so grab the latest image | 22:10 |
| timeless | qwerty: well, i need something to break my pdf viewer | 22:10 |
| johnx | timeless, your package probably depends on a slightly different version | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, ah :) | 22:10 |
| AndrewFBlack | just posted a how to for setting up lxde on mer and then found out fatalsaint already posted the exact same thing on him blog lol | 22:11 |
| zakkm | johnx: downloading now, says 18min remaining | 22:11 |
| zakkm | what would the command roughly look like? | 22:11 |
| * johnx plays with the linux flasher to see. one sec... | 22:11 | |
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| zakkm | i used 1.9.4-mer5 or something merinstaller.. by the way | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hmm, what would you think if I patch hildon-desktop to run timeless's theme selector instead? Or I guess, a more universal way is for me to make a control panel applet that runs the theme switcher I guess.. | 22:13 |
| johnx | zakkm, ok, so first you want to run: ./flasher-2 --unpack <name-of-image-you-are-downloading> | 22:13 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, or to have it run from the menu under settings? | 22:14 |
| zakkm | ok | 22:14 |
| johnx | I don't know if there's a final decision about 'control panel' ... | 22:14 |
| timeless | qwerty: hildon-desktop tries to run some app | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I'd rather have it integrated with hd as it is in maemo | 22:14 |
| timeless | if you use the home menu | 22:14 |
| timeless | i'm assuming that's some app name | 22:15 |
| timeless | just use the same name | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, it uses osso_cp_plugin_execute to run libpersonalise.so | 22:15 |
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| timeless | oh fsck | 22:15 |
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| zakkm | ah i wanted mer to work :(] | 22:15 |
| timeless | well | 22:15 |
| timeless | um | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I could make my own libpersonalise.so that runs the theme switcher? | 22:15 |
| timeless | make a libpersonalise.so which checks its .so name | 22:15 |
| johnx | zakkm, well, just hang in there a little bit, and hopefully we can get you all set up :) | 22:15 |
| timeless | and then reads a conf file to find out which script it should run | 22:15 |
| timeless | that'd let us replace other stubs similarly | 22:16 |
| zakkm | RX-34 ... .says 14 min remaining for download, got slow internet | 22:16 |
| zakkm | anyone here know if usb keyboard for nokia is a good idea? | 22:16 |
| timeless | woohoo | 22:16 |
| * timeless can install userguides | 22:16 | |
| zakkm | tabletschool site said it works but i remember hearing bluetooth keyboard was slow so i was wondering if usb had that same problem | 22:16 |
| timeless | um, is it bad if i get sysvinit in Mer ? :) | 22:16 |
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| * timeless really wonders why user guides need sysvinit | 22:17 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | upstart not good enough for you, eh? :p | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: go ahead | 22:17 |
| johnx | zakkm, there are a couple factors that make it slow, but in some cases a USB keyboard has speed issues as well | 22:17 |
| johnx | it only matters if you're typing really fast though | 22:17 |
| zakkm | i type around 60wpm? | 22:18 |
| zakkm | 50-60 | 22:18 |
| timeless | qwerty: i want those pdf's :) | 22:18 |
| zakkm | i want to use it for school, and i cant afford a netbook :P | 22:18 |
| zakkm | would just like to use abiword app or leafpad.. and type with a usb keyboard | 22:19 |
| timeless | sp3000: you still here? | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I'll try on the control panel applet first as changing h-d code takes you a bit away from upstream for a important component | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, hehe :) | 22:19 |
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| johnx | zakkm, in some cases you might have the screen lagging behind you then...it's slowest for me when typing into webforms. in text editors it's usually just fine | 22:19 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: would you know why after installing mer.. i just get a NOKIA logo and then my tablet turns off? | 22:19 |
| timeless | andre__: ok, now i can install maemopadplus | 22:19 |
| zakkm | yeah it would just be for text editors | 22:20 |
| * timeless dances around | 22:20 | |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: tablet type? | 22:20 |
| zakkm | n800 | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, you sure the battery isn't dead? | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:20 |
| zakkm | yess | 22:20 |
| zakkm | 100% | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: no good clue, you used installer? | 22:20 |
| zakkm | like 100% charged minus the battery loss from rebooting | 22:20 |
| zakkm | yes | 22:20 |
| zakkm | it was in check for updates | 22:20 |
| zakkm | 1.9.4-mer5 or soemthing | 22:20 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800, apparently bootmenu install told him that it failed to backup if that provides a clue... | 22:21 |
| zakkm | failed to backup initfs. | 22:21 |
| sp3000 | timeless: yah | 22:21 |
| zakkm | it did that twhen i installed bootmenu though previously.. and bootmenu worked fine | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: out of space | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 22:21 |
| zakkm | it didnt fail, just out of space to backup | 22:22 |
| timeless | sp3000: wanna see mer w/ a real set of apps? :) | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it probably screwed up initfs then | 22:22 |
| zakkm | " do you want to backup current initfs" | 22:22 |
| * timeless is on a shopping spreee | 22:22 | |
| timeless | -e | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: brought in maemo extras? | 22:22 |
| timeless | no, brought in diablo :) | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:22 |
| timeless | now extras actually installs :) | 22:22 |
| * johnx predicts timeless' mer install won't come back after the next reboot :> | 22:23 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, tried flashing back the original initfs from the image? (although I guess that's where johnx is heading looking at scrollback :)) | 22:23 |
| zakkm | yeah, download for 43-7 says about 6 minutes remaining | 22:23 |
| timeless | libsdl and python (cairo/dbus) had issues :( | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, im really surprised how much stuff uses libsdl | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | i did same excersise with extras yesterday | 22:24 |
| * timeless grumbles | 22:24 | |
| * timeless still doesn't have libsdl1.2 | 22:25 | |
| timeless | woohoo, omweather! | 22:26 |
| timeless | stskeeps: my guess is libsdl1.2 was replaced by libsdl or something similar | 22:26 |
| timeless | wow! | 22:26 |
| timeless | lcas finally looks ok | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | or something sane maybe | 22:26 |
| zakkm | is WIkipedia Offline Reader.. any good? | 22:26 |
| timeless | installing omweather *fixed* h-d! | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha :P | 22:26 |
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| timeless | ooh, i have most of a working system | 22:27 |
| timeless | this rocks | 22:27 |
| * timeless changes background to an lcars one | 22:27 | |
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| timeless | err, OpenLieroX is actually going to try to install? | 22:29 |
| zakkm | johnx: what do i do after unpack? | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | you never know about some of these apps really | 22:29 |
| johnx | zakkm, alright, next try: ./flasher-2 -f --initfs initrd -R | 22:30 |
| zakkm | unpack didnt do anything? | 22:31 |
| timeless | brother | 22:31 |
| timeless | OpenLieroX's English needs help | 22:31 |
| timeless | andre__: find me the guy who owns it? | 22:32 |
| andre__ | what? | 22:32 |
| johnx | zakkm, it should have created a whole bunch of new files in that directory | 22:32 |
| timeless | OpenLieroX | 22:32 |
| andre__ | shrug. google? | 22:32 |
| zakkm | onesec | 22:32 |
| andre__ | timeless, the first link in google looks useful - sf.net | 22:32 |
| zakkm | http://pastebin.com/m2c2ed6b | 22:32 |
| timeless | aww, i'd have to find my sf account | 22:33 |
| johnx | zakkm, and what does ls say afterwards? | 22:33 |
| zakkm | nobody added | 22:33 |
| zakkm | flasher didnt unpack | 22:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | supply -F argument too | 22:34 |
| johnx | ah. thanks qwerty12_N800 :) | 22:34 |
| zakkm | where do i add the -F? | 22:35 |
| johnx | ./flasher-2.0-macosx -u -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 22:35 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, you handle the remembering. I'll handle the text expansion :) | 22:35 |
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| zakkm | there we go :) | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, sorry, thought that was zakkm confirming :) | 22:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | xchat colours your nicks the same :) | 22:36 |
| johnx | why sorry? seems to be a fine division of labor :) | 22:36 |
| zakkm | it unpacked | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:36 |
| zakkm | ./flasher-2.0.macosx -f --initfs initrd -R | 22:36 |
| zakkm | initrd not found | 22:36 |
| johnx | instead of initrd do initfs.jffs2 | 22:37 |
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| timeless | oh | 22:37 |
| johnx | sooo: ./flasher-2.0.macosx -f --initfs initfs.jffs2 -R | 22:37 |
| timeless | libsdl1.2 had a conflict | 22:37 |
| johnx | timeless, not exactly surprising :) | 22:38 |
| zakkm | its flashing | 22:38 |
| zakkm | wow fast | 22:38 |
| johnx | yup. just the initfs | 22:38 |
| zakkm | now it looks like its booting maemo | 22:38 |
| zakkm | yeah it is | 22:38 |
| johnx | yup. that'll get you back to square one at least :) | 22:38 |
| zakkm | now its back to it sold self | 22:38 |
| johnx | now, before you try mer again, free up a little more space on your tablet :) | 22:39 |
| zakkm | going to try it again ;p | 22:39 |
| zakkm | ohh | 22:39 |
| zakkm | okay | 22:39 |
| zakkm | its all apps though :( | 22:39 |
| zakkm | nothing is on it but apps ;p | 22:39 |
| * qwerty12_N800 swears by localepurge :) | 22:39 | |
| johnx | actually, I found that I had a lot of cruft building up in my home directory on my tablet | 22:39 |
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| zakkm | should i use df in terminal? | 22:40 |
| johnx | a couple MB in .thumbnails and a couple in .microb (maybe?) | 22:40 |
| johnx | du -h | 22:40 |
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| zakkm | 31k in thumbails | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | i so need a bigger tablet occasionally.. | 22:41 |
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| zakkm | nice mer logo by the way :) | 22:41 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind not using paper at all but .. | 22:42 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:42 |
| johnx | archos is working on a tablet running android it seems. maybe that will make a nice open system to run whatever flavor of linux we want... | 22:42 |
| zakkm | simple install or addvanced? | 22:42 |
| zakkm | i chose simple before | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | archos and a open device? :) | 22:42 |
| timeless | sts/gan: um | 22:42 |
| johnx | zakkm, if you didn't free up another 5MB of space just now, don't even start installing mer again :P | 22:42 |
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| timeless | could ham *please* offer "Installed applications" in a category view | 22:43 |
| zakkm | i freed up 5mb | 22:43 |
| timeless | if there are *too* many apps? | 22:43 |
| zakkm | well roughly | 22:43 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, yeah, would be madness, huh? | 22:43 |
| zakkm | it was like 2.2 + 1.8 + 1.8 | 22:43 |
| zakkm | ill quickly delete a app | 22:43 |
| johnx | alright should be enough | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: hehe. feel free to add to sprint list. it could potentially be an issue with mer day-to-day use, yes :) | 22:44 |
| johnx | however, if bootmenu install fails to backup initfs. then bail out, ok? | 22:44 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't like archos, they're fucking tramps. everything is a extra and they try to sell you things - like if you charge first time, you'll be notified about their charging stand | 22:44 | |
| zakkm | ok | 22:44 |
| zakkm | url=stskeeps... / 0.7/mer-armel.... | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hehe | 22:44 |
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| johnx | I've been looking at linux-based e-ink devices too | 22:44 |
| * johnx is starting to get the 'new gadget' cravings | 22:45 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i finally have a f-f adaptor so i can start looking sanely at usb host problems :P | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | (actually, i have 3) | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | got two beagleboards at work to treat | 22:45 |
| zakkm | stskeeps can you see how fast usb keyboards work in that ;p | 22:45 |
| johnx | doesn't rain but it pours, huh? | 22:45 |
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| zakkm | okay i have about 15mb freed | 22:47 |
| johnx | good. that should be just fine | 22:48 |
| timeless | anyone know how to run /usr/bin/hildon-update-category-database ? | 22:48 |
| zakkm | dang its going to redownload isnt it | 22:48 |
| zakkm | timeless: cant you just type that? | 22:48 |
| timeless | no, it wants one arg | 22:48 |
| timeless | and i don't understand that one arg | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, hildon-update-category-database /usr/share/mime | 22:49 |
| timeless | um | 22:50 |
| timeless | control panel triggered an app which tried to ask my terminal for my password | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | sudo mismatch maybe | 22:50 |
| timeless | sounds right | 22:50 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: how much was the f to f adapter? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: well it was bloody difficult to get it in .dk, so i paid like 2.5 dollars i think | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | only found one place that had them sanely | 22:51 |
| zakkm | everywhre i looked had it for like 5.99 im like -.- | 22:52 |
| timeless | so um | 22:52 |
| timeless | anyone know how to uninstall nspr4? :) | 22:52 |
| zakkm | was suppose to be on my way to get one, but mer failed ;p | 22:52 |
| zakkm | timeless: trying to make a minimalistic install ?:P | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i think he's doing the opposite.. slap diablo on top of mer | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I sense a new business venture in Denmark:> :P | 22:52 |
| timeless | zakkm: no, trying to convert from jaunty to diablo | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: if they would market the tablet+usb hub+keyboard combination.. | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: oh, while i have you | 22:54 |
| zakkm | i think the tablet would be so cool if i could afford a bluetooth/ have a f-to-f adapter | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Do you want to be able to get f to f adapters in Denmark or not?!? :p | 22:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes? | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw gonftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/osso/inputmethod/keyboard_available true|false on jaiku? it solves the enter problem | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | but it isn't automatically set to true when a keyboard is attached | 22:55 |
| johnx | ah, nice | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | true when a keyboard is present in some way | 22:55 |
| johnx | hmm...more adventures with lshal may be in order | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | udev? :) | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i am seriously thinking that big event daemon a-la powerlaunch wouldn't be a bad idea | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's too much functionality that's a event -> action oneliner | 22:55 |
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| wazd | conichiwa johnx :) | 22:56 |
| johnx | wazd, ohayo | 22:56 |
| zakkm | just wondering, with a keyboard.. could you do alt tab ;p | 22:56 |
| * timeless hopes python isn't essential | 22:56 | |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, so use powerlaunch to handle things like this? maybe rotation too and keyboard slide-in/slide-out? it seems like there are lots of places that make some sort of sense to offload these events too, and as long as they generate dbus events it (in my mind) almost doesn't matter what program handles them, just as long as something does | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well, i'm not saying powerlaunch especially, but there is a shitload of simple event->command->action->reaction stuff | 22:58 |
| timeless | oh uh | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | (.. or something) | 22:58 |
| timeless | so removing nspr gets rid of network-manager | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | like, plug in USB cable (see on HAL), show UI for selecting mode, done | 22:59 |
| * timeless waves goodbye to fennec | 22:59 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: or even our Wifi power saving could be described as such :P | 22:59 |
| johnx | for keyboard, HAL makes sense I think | 23:00 |
| * timeless cries | 23:00 | |
| johnx | I don't know about rotation though | 23:00 |
| timeless | um | 23:00 |
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| timeless | so... | 23:00 |
| timeless | help? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | you nuked what? :P | 23:00 |
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| timeless | network manager | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, you remember that small python code of mine?:) | 23:00 |
| timeless | so now i have no network | 23:00 |
| johnx | timelE61i, I think your install is done for... | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: whichnow? | 23:01 |
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| timeless | what's the default network for mer? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: dhclient eth0 | 23:01 |
| timeless | thanks! | 23:01 |
| timeless | um | 23:01 |
| timeless | resolv.conf is empty | 23:01 |
| timeless | what do i neeed to make that happy? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | dhclient usually does that for me | 23:02 |
| johnx | dhclient should cover that I believe | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, that one I gave you as an example that runs osso-xterm when the cable is inserted, not recommending it as an alternative but as a idea :) | 23:02 |
| timeless | it didn't | 23:02 |
| johnx | did dhclient eth0 give hopeful looking results? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i wonder if it works with usb host too | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: just echo nameserver A.B.C.D > /etc/resolv.conf then | 23:03 |
| timeless | stskeeps: yeah, but what's the value for vmware? | 23:03 |
| timeless | my address is in 192.168.84.* | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | er. hm. | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, does hal not give off the cable inserted event in usb host? | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: since i now have it.. hmm | 23:03 |
| timeless | ok, it's .2 | 23:04 |
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| zakkm | 3min left of mer download :) | 23:05 |
| zakkm | stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.7/mer-armel-n800-v0.7.tar.gz right? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 23:06 |
| zakkm | :) | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hmm, it doesnt detect my laptop in 'host' mode, but it detects a device on the line | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | and reverse in perperial.. | 23:08 |
| zakkm | would mer let me install non-hildon stuff ? | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | except gnome-core, yeah | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm | 23:09 |
| zakkm | sweet ;p | 23:09 |
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| zakkm | like a new pidgin perhaps that hasnt been hildonized yet | 23:09 |
| zakkm | or a browser? | 23:10 |
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| timeless | sp3000: wah | 23:12 |
| timeless | osso-icons-default conflicts w/ hicolor-icon-theme | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | heh, known | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: damnit, not sure it's possible to detect cable insertion then | 23:13 |
| timeless | stskeeps; how do i deal w/ that? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: --force-all :P | 23:13 |
| timeless | wtf? | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, maybe a sysfs entry is tripped | 23:13 |
| timeless | The NetworkManager applet could not find some | 23:13 |
| timeless | required resources. It cannot continue. | 23:13 |
| timeless | OK | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's awkward like that | 23:14 |
| timeless | (network manager was already uninstalled) | 23:14 |
| timeless | shouldn't it have *stopped*?! | 23:14 |
| timeless | (it's still in my status bar!) | 23:14 |
| timeless | apt-get install --force-all | 23:14 |
| timeless | E: Command line option --force-all is not understood | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | i meant dpkg -i --force-all :P | 23:15 |
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| johnx | timeless, uninstalling packages doesn't just kill user processes | 23:16 |
| johnx | the applet is called nm-applet | 23:16 |
| zakkm | oh wow this takes awhile | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | which? | 23:17 |
| timeless | i don't have an nm-applet in my \select applets\ | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, it's not hildonized | 23:17 |
| johnx | it's not a 'maemo' applet | 23:17 |
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| johnx | it's a standard systray thing | 23:17 |
| * timeless kills it | 23:17 | |
| johnx | it has it's own process | 23:17 |
| timeless | [: 31: add: unexpected operator | 23:18 |
| * timeless wonders what that means | 23:18 | |
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| johnx | ashism vs bashism likely | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: bashism | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | which maemo is littered with | 23:19 |
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| * benson wonders what's so great about hildonized applets. | 23:19 | |
| timeless | which part is the bashism? | 23:19 |
| timeless | and please file bugs | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 'cept that maemo doesn't use bash :p | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: example, if [ x$FOO == x ]; then | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | spot the error | 23:20 |
| benson | Oh, that's right, they can crash the whole desktop. | 23:20 |
| johnx | timeless, tough to file bugs when you haven't even told us what package caused that... | 23:20 |
| timeless | microb-eal i think :) | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so file to you? ;) | 23:21 |
| timeless | which is the error? | 23:21 |
| timeless | nah, assign to sp3000 | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: == is not correct sh. if [ x$FOO = x ]; then is correct | 23:21 |
| timeless | ooh | 23:21 |
| * timeless has something that looks like a browser | 23:21 | |
| timeless | hey, my menus are fixed! | 23:21 |
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| * johnx recommends midori...but it's a little late for that, huh? :P | 23:22 | |
| zakkm | guys, should i create "backup of current initfs" ? | 23:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 sighs as he wonders why shells are so anal about one = | 23:22 | |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: might not need it this time around since its pretty fresh | 23:22 |
| zakkm | k | 23:22 |
| zakkm | copying cvurrent initfs | 23:22 |
| zakkm | worked | 23:22 |
| zakkm | creating bootmenu.jffs2 | 23:22 |
| zakkm | ready for flashing this image | 23:22 |
| zakkm | rebooting | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: you should almost show screenshots :P | 23:23 |
| zakkm | going into maemo? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | installing bootmenu first | 23:23 |
| zakkm | k | 23:23 |
| zakkm | so it worked thistime? :D | 23:23 |
| zakkm | im in my old maemo | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily | 23:24 |
| zakkm | now what? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | did you install mer first or bootmenu first? | 23:24 |
| johnx | you weren't shown a bootmenu? | 23:24 |
| zakkm | no bootmenu | 23:24 |
| oli | ad-hoc mode is a real battery killer ;p | 23:24 |
| benson | qwerty12_N800,if all shells were bash compatible, nobody would bother to write clean sh code. :p | 23:25 |
| zakkm | i had bootmenu before... installed mer.. didnt work .. so i reflashed initrd or initfs whichever it was, bootloader disappeared.. installed mer | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 23:25 |
| zakkm | it said updated bootmenu.conf etc | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | now utilities -> install bootmenu | 23:25 |
| benson | also, it would cease to matter. | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | benson, hehe, they should be! :p | 23:25 |
| zakkm | "remove unneeded extra ( factory testing ) stuff? | 23:25 |
| zakkm | yes or no | 23:25 |
| * timeless grumbles | 23:26 | |
| timeless | yeah, it's microb-eal | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, doesn't matter on diablo | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yes | 23:26 |
| zakkm | do i want to add bootmenu.conf stuff to initfs? | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 23:26 |
| zakkm | yayy | 23:28 |
| zakkm | merr is booting!!!! | 23:28 |
| Macer | blah | 23:28 |
| Macer | just finished making my fbsd vm to move the dns to | 23:28 |
| zakkm | how is mer on battery life compared to maemo? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i had Mauku booting on mer the other day | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: 0.8 will be better, there was an error in the wifi power save so | 23:29 |
| zakkm | wow this looks so cool :) | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | and we're still needing some daemons to make proper power saving | 23:29 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, very cool. looks like wireless is behaving better these days too | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i have no idea why yours may, mine certain doesn't :P | 23:30 |
| johnx | and I'm happy with my xserver-kdrive-xfbdev package...but Omegamoon isn't here... | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://blueman-project.org/ btw | 23:30 |
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| Stskeeps | and see the scrshots for 1.0 | 23:30 |
| johnx | yeah, used that in ubuntu for a while | 23:30 |
| johnx | ah, looks nice | 23:31 |
| johnx | wow...is that PAN and DUN | 23:31 |
| johnx | in a nice wizard? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that is what i'm thinking | 23:31 |
| johnx | alright. I'm sold :) | 23:31 |
| zakkm | that link doesnt work? | 23:31 |
| timeless | uh oh | 23:31 |
| timeless | Browser quit | 23:31 |
| timeless | after saying | 23:31 |
| timeless | Operation temporarily disabled | 23:31 |
| timeless | due to low memory | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | there is a low memory checker? O_o | 23:32 |
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| zakkm | wow this is still so basic | 23:32 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah.. until you enable red pill mode in application manager and show all packages | 23:32 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: how has that box been running for you? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: again, haven't had much time to spend on it :( | 23:33 |
| Macer | heh | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | zakmm: and your tablet is dragging it's heels to show all the ubuntu packages | 23:33 |
| Macer | alrighty then.. i ask because i'm going to put 2 more VMs on it | 23:33 |
| zakkm | is it just me or is mer alot slower? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: X driver isn't optimized | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | (that much) | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: just suspend it or delete.. i think the stuff i have on it is outdated | 23:34 |
| Macer | you sure? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: sadly it isn't packaged up yet | 23:34 |
| zakkm | no fullscreen keyboard? | 23:34 |
| Macer | alrighty. well. i'll move it to my fileserver | 23:34 |
| johnx | for ubuntu? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it's closed sourced :P | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, is it me or are you expecting a lot from something with a version number of 0.7? | 23:34 |
| johnx | really? | 23:34 |
| Macer | in case you want it later | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: the 1.0 that goes with bluez 4 | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | isn't | 23:35 |
| johnx | ah | 23:35 |
| zakkm | i know the wifi button ;p | 23:35 |
| johnx | but anyways, I'm off to bed. hopefully I'll have a zaurus-imager for 2/14 or 2/15 :) | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 23:35 |
| Macer | tomorrow i'm going to start hax0ring zimbra to change the pictures and stuff on it | 23:35 |
| Macer | and maybe make a custom theme :) | 23:35 |
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| timeless | /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh not found! | 23:36 |
| zakkm | i guess i was expecting more | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: 2 months of work and already this is much impressive :P | 23:36 |
| johnx | last thing: blueman packages: https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueman/+archive/ppa | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | oh neat | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | damnit, not armel ;) | 23:37 |
| * Stskeeps sends it through builder | 23:37 | |
| aquatix | neat indeed | 23:37 |
| aquatix | that'll work nicely on my laptop | 23:37 |
| aquatix | johnx: thanks for the url | 23:37 |
| timeless | what does dsmetool do? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | communicates with dsme to sw wd apps i guess | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | has a 'nice' function and lets you wrap commands around watchdog I guess. --help says a lot :) | 23:39 |
| * timeless likes how mediaplayer has an unstated dependency on it | 23:39 | |
| Stskeeps | my god | 23:39 |
| timeless | is mediaplayer-daemon shipped in diablo? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | maemo-community has turned into maemo-bacon | 23:39 |
| timeless | not kosher! | 23:39 |
| sjgadsby | There's always turkey bacon, timeless. | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, /me doesn't like the sound of that :p | 23:40 |
| Jaffa | There's even Quorn bacon. Avoid. | 23:41 |
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| crashanddie | amazing how lcuk actually managed to create a maemo-meme... with bacon | 23:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | To cater for the Rastafarians (and me), hash brownies should be served :p | 23:44 |
| timeless | so | 23:45 |
| timeless | my init.d scripts are dying saying: | 23:45 |
| timeless | source: not found | 23:45 |
| timeless | does that mean that 'source' isn't recognized by my shell? | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dash sucks, it doesn't understand source | 23:45 |
| timeless | are scripts that require bash required to specify that in #! ? | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800: mate, if I ever catch you smoking/eating anything more illegal than tobacco or presciption drugs, I'll fucking slap you from here to baghdad, hear that? | 23:47 |
| * timeless grumbles | 23:47 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yup, /bin/bash | 23:47 |
| timeless | so, this script has a concept of a DAEMON_USER | 23:47 |
| timeless | and it claims to be 'user' | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, yes sir :( | 23:47 |
| timeless | do i make that timeless, or nobody? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question | 23:47 |
| * Stskeeps tries to install blueman | 23:48 | |
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| * timeless wonders what dsme actually is | 23:49 | |
| johnx | device state management entity | 23:49 |
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| timeless | it's abinary... | 23:50 |
| johnx | damn. I said I was going to sleep... | 23:50 |
| * timeless frowns | 23:50 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Fight the urge... #maemo needs you... | 23:50 |
| timeless | ok, so, i can't actually use dsme | 23:51 |
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| * johnx becomes interested in maemo on an eInk device... | 23:51 | |
| Stskeeps | armv4/5? | 23:51 |
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| johnx | xscale so armv5te. the iliad ereader is down to $500 used ... | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:52 |
| johnx | still a little steep | 23:52 |
| johnx | something more kindle priced would be almost paletteable but apparently, it's quite closed... | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can get a shell via serial console :) | 23:53 |
| * timeless grumbles | 23:54 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | bootloader is uboot I think | 23:54 |
| timeless | so... | 23:54 |
| timeless | i have libnspr4 and libnspr4-0d competing w/ eachother | 23:54 |
| timeless | how do i make them stop fighting? | 23:54 |
| johnx | huh...and it has a keyboard, but no wifi | 23:54 |
| johnx | seems like there's more interest in hacking up the irex iliad though | 23:54 |
| johnx | and it's already gtk on X11 | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | scary | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | this blueman thing actually works | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | baconirific! | 23:59 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:59 |
| johnx | yeah. bluez-gnome worked too, but is pretty simplistic | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, heh, bet you wouldn't be saying that on maemo :) | 23:59 |
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