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| AFBN810 | Hey if I open a file to edit it with vim in terminal how to I close and save it | 00:19 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :wq | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pressing esc first before the above | 00:20 |
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| wnd | or esc, then ZZ | 00:22 |
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| wnd | and if you can't press esc, then ctrl-o, then ZZ :-) | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Almost like windows - a 1001 ways to do one thing :) | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn, Samsung's got an S60 phone. . . . | 00:24 |
| wnd | qwerty12_N800, with the exception that with vim you can actually get the job done | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wnd, hehe, indeed :) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | wazd, the met office | 00:26 |
| * lcuk smiles even more tonight | 00:27 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, seen their prices for businesses? Don't think they're gonna give free access, even for an open source app :/ | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | if we were america we would be able to use them :) us gov has no copyright over the data it produces | 00:27 |
| AFBN810 | ok rebooting to Mer to see if I fixed it | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | its a reasonable license for us actually | 00:30 |
| lcuk | i thought it was only us gov, but we have access to use the data privately as well | 00:31 |
| lcuk | he material featured on this site is subject to Crown copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The material may be downloaded to file or printer for the purposes of private study and scientific research. Any other proposed use of the material is subject to a copyright licence available from the Met Office. | 00:31 |
| mavhc | vim, all you need is a 200g n810, and a 1kg manual | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mavhc, 3kg for emacs? :) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | wazd, it might help uk users at the least if it was offered as a template :) | 00:32 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I've found Met Office Warnings and advisories feeds | 00:36 |
| wazd | lcuk: no sign of the forecast | 00:36 |
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| b-man | AFBN810: here's that xmodmap you wanted :) -- http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Xmodmap | 00:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/nw/woodford_latest_weather.html | 00:40 |
| lcuk | wazd | 00:40 |
| AFBN810 | b-man thanks | 00:41 |
| lcuk | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/nw/manchester_forecast_weather.html | 00:41 |
| mavhc | bbc has 3 day rss feeds | 00:41 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I saw html with forecast, but there's no RSS :) | 00:44 |
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| wazd | oh | 00:45 |
| wazd | Train just crashed into our room I suppose :) | 00:45 |
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| mavhc | http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ wazd | 00:46 |
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| wazd | I know bout BBC, but they have no e-mail for contact :) | 00:53 |
| wazd | Thats what started the whole conversation :) | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | wazd: looked at the data on http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ - dunno if they've got a weather feed there | 00:54 |
| * Jaffa wouldn't bother trying to contact UK broadcasters; well, not ITV. | 00:54 | |
| wazd | BBC has the feed :) | 00:54 |
| wazd | But it hasn't got any contact e-mail to ask them if they mind about its usage) | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | It'll say somewhere already, I'm sure | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | You could try the BBC Duty Office | 00:55 |
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| wazd | I think I'll try to write to the backstage | 00:56 |
| wazd | They will redirect me to the right place if I miss | 00:57 |
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| wazd | ok, done | 01:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you get the email I forwarded? | 01:12 |
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| wazd | hehe, weird screenshot: http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0902/53/5d257a3e317f.jpg | 01:18 |
| wazd | Just realized that BBC cant forecast for Foscow :) | 01:19 |
| wazd | s/Foscow/Moscow | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can you make the 7-day lettering a little larger? | 01:24 |
| lbt | I now have a general purpose QFingerScrollArea :) | 01:26 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: you mean 10-day row? | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, er, however many items are down there. :P | 01:31 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, it now has the biggest possible size to fit 3 digits | 01:33 |
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| roope | The info looks t i n y on the device screen. | 01:41 |
| roope | it's small even on my huge desktop monitor. | 01:41 |
| roope | The Moscow, Russia dna the -8 is about good size, but otherwise, it's too small. | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps it'd be worth sticking to a 7-day to fit more in? | 01:42 |
| roope | I'd suggest sticking to a 2- or 3-day forecast. Or doing 2 or 3 days properly and then perhaps an icon for the rest of the days. | 01:42 |
| roope | People tend to care about today and tomorrow, mostly. Forecast are not accurate anyway after a few days. | 01:43 |
| wazd | it's just a selector | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10-day forcasts suck anyway. | 01:43 |
| benson | Or 2/3 days then a graph... graphs are cool. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, whatever, as long as it's selectable in options. | 01:43 |
| benson | I use NOAA's 48-hour graph forecast, mainly. | 01:44 |
| wazd | we'd support as much days as possible) | 01:44 |
| roope | wazd: please try the screenshot on the N810 screen. It's awfully small text. | 01:44 |
| roope | nobody over 40 bothers to even read so small text. :) | 01:45 |
| * benson is glad he's not over 40. | 01:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can we define the low/high text color? | 01:45 |
| roope | You're now kind of making the classic mistake of drawing it so that it looks nice on the pc screen. | 01:45 |
| benson | I often use that size text in osso-xterm... | 01:45 |
| wazd | I woldn't say that it's "omfg soooo small!11" but yep, it's a bit smaller that I thought :) | 01:46 |
| roope | People want to be able to glance the weather, quickly. Not have to study the sceren intently for data. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, do your mockups at 400x240. :P | 01:46 |
| wazd | Is that a gameboy or something?) | 01:47 |
| benson | roope: The big picture of a cloud is for people like you. :p | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's about the size of the tablet screen at ~96dpi | 01:47 |
| wazd | I have a screen with high dpi) | 01:48 |
| wazd | almost tablet;s | 01:48 |
| * benson runs 120 DPI, and I haven't seen much finer... tablets are 225 DPI. | 01:49 | |
| wazd | i have 1280x768 at 9" :) | 01:49 |
| roope | ymmv, but I still think that one of the best rules is to think in terms of a business card. that's about the size of sceren and amount of information you can fit at one time. | 01:49 |
| benson | Yow. Me want. | 01:50 |
| wazd | it's like 192 dpi or something | 01:50 |
| roope | the n800/n810 screen is coincidentally almost to the millimeter the same size as a normal business card. | 01:51 |
| benson | HP mininote, or what? | 01:51 |
| wazd | yep | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't wait for high-dpi LCDs and resolution-independent WMs | 01:51 |
| benson | roope: Yes, I'd noticed that. | 01:51 |
| * lcuk cant read everything he sees, but can tell what it means :) | 01:51 | |
| roope | so if you can't draw your UI to the back of a business card properly then it's too small. :) | 01:51 |
| * lcuk prefers to draw his ui on the screen :P | 01:52 | |
| wazd | the main problem is to fit that ammount of info on one screen | 01:52 |
| lcuk | wazd ;) let the user decide, some like small text and lots of detail, others like big easy read numbers visible from orbit | 01:53 |
| wazd | I thought to use icons to get rid of "humidity" and so on | 01:53 |
| roope | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pr0SDhOy6io/RygUWdiZeNI/AAAAAAAAAFo/VwHx_4qz9Bg/s400/IMG_9001.JPG | 01:53 |
| wazd | so it will borrow me some space to enlarge the font | 01:53 |
| roope | basically, you shouldn't even try. Or then make it pannable. | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | hang on, i just realized wazd, why do you need to show the weather in 2 languages? | 01:54 |
| roope | Who cares if the air pressure is 755.69 mmHg? | 01:54 |
| roope | Does anybody relate to that number. What does it even mean. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meteorologists? | 01:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: cause it's multilanguage test :) | 01:54 |
| roope | Do they need the app? | 01:54 |
| wazd | I care :( | 01:54 |
| lcuk | roope, my dad cares, he goes hang gliding | 01:55 |
| wazd | I'm very pressure sesitive ( | 01:55 |
| benson | It's cool to have it there, I like it. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | roope, from watching hurricanes all my life, I can usually divine something from pressure. | 01:55 |
| roope | But yes. You could have a big today on the left side, a big tomorrow on the right side. | 01:55 |
| wazd | lcuk: the worst language is italian | 01:55 |
| wazd | lcuk: it has ridiculously long words | 01:55 |
| roope | For pressure ... something like a chart would tell at least something. you could know if it's going up or down. | 01:56 |
| roope | but an individual number dosen't really tell anything. | 01:56 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 01:56 |
| lcuk | then make the barometer be a real barometer | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, OK, stock ticker for pressure. ;) | 01:56 |
| lcuk | and if you click it it can show a graph | 01:56 |
| benson | If I have to pick from between old-people-friendly fonts and adding more cool (but not very useful) info, I'll go with the info. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ideally there should be options for both use-cases. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | benson, what if you could have both - a palette of available views | 01:56 |
| lcuk | choose what you like or roll your own | 01:57 |
| lcuk | its just a data view at the end of the day | 01:57 |
| benson | Then I wouldn't have to pick; that's what the conditional was there for. | 01:57 |
| lcuk | theres a list of available options ? | 01:57 |
| benson | I'm a big fan of configurability. | 01:58 |
| roope | I'm trying my best to remove configurabiility always when possible. :) | 01:58 |
| wazd | When I was planning this UI I thought" well, you'll need imediate info bout degrees, so let's make them as large as possible. Other info is secondary so it's smaller" | 01:58 |
| lcuk | roope, people like to choose options and click switches and play around. i personally hated express on covers for phones, but plenty of people made a packet from such a silly thing | 01:59 |
| benson | "when possible"? Is this possibility perchance governed by mobs of angry users with torches? Cause I could get down with that... ;) | 01:59 |
| roope | People like to personalize their device, yes. | 01:59 |
| * lcuk takes away bensons dpad | 01:59 | |
| roope | But I think it's ... personalization is something a bit different. | 02:00 |
| roope | I'm all for adding personalization, making the device unique to the user. | 02:00 |
| wazd | I think the oly option you'll have with this screen is wallpaper and icons :) | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, see, the problem with removing configurability is that you end up with broken shit like Modest. | 02:00 |
| * benson screams. | 02:00 | |
| lcuk | yes, agreed a horrid options screen with convoluted silly named options which dont mean anything or are finicky or hard is bad. but giving the user a choice of different alternative views (some old people ones, and some highly technical ones) and a simple way to change them makes life good | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That can't fit a plaintext email without wrapping it and screwing up the formatting. | 02:01 |
| wazd | I just can't see any more options to change :) | 02:01 |
| roope | ga: well, the more options something like Modest has, the more there is to implement, the more there is that can go wrong. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | wazd, then make a brand new one | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could the zoom level stick? Or could we change the font size? No and no. | 02:01 |
| benson | I actually am less concerned about personalization and more with _functional_ configurability, because I don't trust software to come to me perfect. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, well, Modest seems to have gone wrong enough without any options. :) | 02:01 |
| lcuk | no options | 02:01 |
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| roope | I don't see any correlation between adding configurability and making Modest better. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | just a different alternative view | 02:01 |
| lcuk | and ill make one | 02:01 |
| roope | It just makes it harder to debug and develop. | 02:01 |
| lcuk | and gan can make one | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, have you _used_ the damn thing? | 02:01 |
| lcuk | and roope can make one (with no dpad) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | and we can let the users choose which they want | 02:02 |
| roope | I guess you mean the Diablo one? | 02:02 |
| benson | lcuk: and if they don't like one, _they_ can make one, too! | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, yes, the horrifying abortion of an email client Nokia foisted on us then refused to fix. :\ | 02:02 |
| roope | Well. umm. | 02:02 |
| wazd | lcuk: let's make a console app. Wanna UI? Make it! :) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | benson YES 100% absolutely, and they can let their friends use it | 02:02 |
| wazd | I can't let users to change UI due to legal issues :) | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, yes, I agree with you that too much configurability is undesirable | 02:03 |
| lcuk | wazd :) you can only see a fraction of what i can see regarding ui, you have a keen eye but i want everyone to have a say in what screens look like | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | it confuses people and generally turns them off. | 02:03 |
| roope | I see it more of a development and design problem really. | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But at the other end of the spectrum we've got applications that simply aren't functional because A. the defaults are broken (which can be fixed) and B. have no configurability. | 02:04 |
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| roope | If something has a hundred settings, and the app works perfectly, having them there doesn't really harm the users. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | +1 | 02:04 |
| roope | But the problem is getting so far: hundred settings makes for a thousand combinations, making them all work perfectly, in all the error cases etc., is pretty much hopeless. | 02:04 |
| wazd | roope: well, I thought thats what OMW was all this time) | 02:04 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: I'd say too many twiddly-options are undesirable; it's the controls, not the actual level of configurability, that hurts. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | if there is a way for users to configure those settings and store/share them as profiles that is also good | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have these tablet devices which are basically tiny laptops, but Nokia seems insistent on dumbing them down to make them unusable. | 02:05 |
| wazd | OMW always had as maximum configurability as possible | 02:05 |
| roope | sorry, I don't know OMW. | 02:05 |
| wazd | And it will have | 02:05 |
| wazd | OMWeather :) | 02:05 |
| roope | oh, that i know. :) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | benson, user level options should simply be profile based "simple, complex, technical,antique, custom" only custom should open the complex ui tickboxes etc (thats way in the future though for now) | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Making the zoom setting stick or adding font size configuration to Modest would make me much happier | 02:06 |
| lcuk | wazd, configurable for technical folks | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But every request to fix it is met with "that's too many options" | 02:06 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, I think now OMW has plenty of options configurable thru simple UI :) | 02:06 |
| wazd | lcuk: even I can do that! :) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | yes wazd, can you save them and send them to me easily? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | so i can share and use your layout? | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | In the end, we get an unusable email client. | 02:07 |
| lcuk | or do i need to be a technical user of omw as well? | 02:07 |
| roope | ga: the goal is to make an usable email client. :) | 02:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, sharing layouts is not what OMW does) | 02:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: If we will focus on that type of things we won't have time for weather itself | 02:08 |
| lcuk | wazd - but that is the missing link, if you COULD share the layout easily, you could make a whizzbang wazd_technical_dark layout and let others have it | 02:08 |
| lcuk | omw is configurable to technical omw users at present. | 02:08 |
| wazd | Again, we can't allow users to change detailed screen | 02:08 |
| wazd | Due to banner placement | 02:09 |
| lcuk | im not asking to | 02:09 |
| lcuk | im asking you to send me one of your layouts | 02:09 |
| wazd | aaaw | 02:09 |
| roope | ga: then again, looking at the competition and their email clients, whether they are good or not (and many are) have no correlation between how configurable they are (or if there is, it is an inverse correlation). | 02:09 |
| wazd | You mwan photoshop?)) | 02:09 |
| lcuk | i dont want to be a technical user who knows how to configure it | 02:09 |
| wazd | mean* | 02:09 |
| roope | iPhone has a pretty good email with very little configurability, for instance. | 02:09 |
| lcuk | i want to just use your wazd_dark_technical view on my tablet | 02:09 |
| lcuk | but then IF gan made a cool one, why cant i ask him to send me his as well? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, that goal seems to have been missed. In the insistence on as little configurability as possible, I've got an email client that I have to screw with the zoom settings on to make the text wrap properly every time I open an email. | 02:10 |
| wazd | Are we talking bout OMW detailed screen layouts?) | 02:10 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:11 |
| roope | ga: well, it's a bug of the sw. It shouldn't be up to the user to have to configure something to make them work. | 02:11 |
| roope | A configuration would be the poor choice here. | 02:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: We. can't. allow. to change ANYTHING in it | 02:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: totally anything | 02:11 |
| lcuk | so omw on the new system will be locked ? | 02:11 |
| benson | wazd: Why not allow changing anything but the logo? | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, having a strong default setup is laudable and all, but it's something that Nokia seems to consistently fail at. | 02:11 |
| roope | ga: well. We'll try again. :) | 02:12 |
| wazd | lcuk: Is current OMW layout changable?) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | i dont know, im not a technical omw user, ive got it on one of my tablets | 02:12 |
| roope | The new version looks better. | 02:12 |
| benson | or even change the logo, subject to minimum size requirements? | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | roope, and in the mean time I'm stuck on my second tablet in 3 years with an unusable email client. | 02:12 |
| lcuk | wazd, is omw on the new device going to be a single static unconfigurable system? | 02:12 |
| wazd | lcuk: It's not, and almost everybody seems to be happy with that | 02:12 |
| benson | (I mean, change the logo's position) | 02:12 |
| roope | ga: yes. But well. That's the general problem. where to direct development resources to. | 02:13 |
| wazd | benson: cause user can set colors that will make the banner be invisible | 02:13 |
| wazd | benson: like white for example | 02:13 |
| benson | Hmmm... there are technical fixes to that even. | 02:13 |
| benson | But harder. | 02:13 |
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| wazd | lcuk: all config options of current OMW will be in the next one | 02:14 |
| lcuk | wazd, is this app going to be open source? | 02:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: sue | 02:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: sure | 02:14 |
| jarrettwold | quick question, is maemo well used on a palm t|x? | 02:14 |
| wazd | Nothing is changing | 02:14 |
| lcuk | so how will you stop people modifying the layout there? | 02:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: we won't | 02:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: but we won't help them either | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ok, so if i use the current omw i can make it do what i like | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | jarrettwold, can you even load Linux on the T|X? | 02:15 |
| jarrettwold | Yup | 02:15 |
| lcuk | show things or hide things | 02:15 |
| * benson ponders oomw: other omw, with full configurability... | 02:15 | |
| wazd | lcuk: If you'll try to remove banner and make a .deb for it for example - you'll just make harm for OMW :( | 02:16 |
| lcuk | when i make it do things and create a layout in a certain format, that layout is saved somewhere in ~ isnt it | 02:16 |
| lcuk | wazd, i dont see why you are against changing anything? | 02:16 |
| lcuk | its a screen layout | 02:16 |
| wazd | lcuk: because of fricking banner :) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | what banner? | 02:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: It allows us to use different weather sources legaly | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i can use the met office bbc source legally | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i am in the uk | 02:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: BBC sign on the screenshot | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i am a uk citizen | 02:17 |
| lcuk | it is produced by the uk government | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i dont need no frikkin banner | 02:17 |
| benson | You can't change it, because in Soviet Russia, banner fricks you! ;) | 02:18 |
| wazd | lcuk: You can't retranslate info without permission | 02:18 |
| lcuk | can i please have a configurable app :) | 02:18 |
| lcuk | they give an rss feed for a reason | 02:18 |
| lcuk | i can use that data for SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH if i want | 02:18 |
| wazd | you can have that info just for your personal use | 02:18 |
| lcuk | its research to know the weather | 02:18 |
| jarrettwold | uh | 02:18 |
| jarrettwold | just use noaa | 02:18 |
| wazd | you know, I've spent much time reading LA's :) | 02:19 |
| jarrettwold | what region is lcuk looking for weather data from? | 02:19 |
| benson | In US law, at least, facts are ! copyrightable; unless they make you agree to a license, you can re-present the facts in different presentation, and they have no copyright claims... | 02:20 |
| benson | jarrettwold: NOAA for weather in the UK? Let me know how that works out. :p | 02:20 |
| lcuk | jarrettwold, im not, im just arguing with wazd about his stupid insistance on a legally enforcable banner in an app | 02:20 |
| jarrettwold | oh it's a banner | 02:20 |
| jarrettwold | get over it | 02:20 |
| lcuk | but i would use the met office data | 02:21 |
| wazd | we can stick with one source without the banner if you like | 02:21 |
| wazd | That will help us a lot in fact :) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | \o/ yayyy and people in their country can configure sources how they like | 02:21 |
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| benson | So with (as I understand) the data being available for personal use, displaying it with no banner should be quite alright legally. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | now we have got over that, how do we let users share the layouts | 02:22 |
| jarrettwold | benson: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/GB_cc.html | 02:22 |
| lcuk | benson, i can configure a home weather station to produce rss data | 02:22 |
| jarrettwold | noaa weather for the UK | 02:23 |
| benson | CSS might be a little heavyweight, but it would work beautifully.. | 02:23 |
| lcuk | benson, weather data sits nicely in rss | 02:23 |
| benson | jarrettwold: Current observations, not forecasts? | 02:24 |
| wazd | You grant TWC and RSS the right to edit, copy, display, publish and distribute any materials made available on the Services by you. | 02:24 |
| jarrettwold | current observations | 02:24 |
| lcuk | regarding your facts thing benson, what tempr and pressure it is NOW are facts, but a 3 day forecast is derived data | 02:24 |
| wazd | that's what weather.com says | 02:24 |
| wazd | and we use it :) | 02:24 |
| jarrettwold | benson: "Latest7 PM (0) Feb 0628 (-2)24 (-4)29.35 (0994)NNW 3" | 02:24 |
| benson | Fair enough. | 02:24 |
| jarrettwold | for benson UK | 02:24 |
| jarrettwold | :) | 02:24 |
| wazd | aw fuck | 02:25 |
| * benson isn't in the UK, he was pointing at lcuk. ;) | 02:25 | |
| wazd | wrong line | 02:25 |
| jarrettwold | ah lol | 02:25 |
| lcuk | that looks like perl code to me | 02:25 |
| jarrettwold | so anyhow, feel free to jack US data to your hearts content | 02:26 |
| lcuk | what does it do? | 02:26 |
| jarrettwold | that's not perl ;) | 02:26 |
| lcuk | are you SURE! ? :D | 02:26 |
| wazd | You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part. | 02:26 |
| jarrettwold | mmmhmmm | 02:26 |
| * benson tried it in perl, and it wiped 3 HDDs. :( | 02:26 | |
| jarrettwold | HAHAHA | 02:26 |
| FireFox | lol XD | 02:26 |
| lcuk | wazd, my browser does that by downloading and interpreting the XML into a clickable visual tree | 02:26 |
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| lcuk | lol | 02:26 |
| wazd | Except as otherwise expressly permitted under copyright law, no copying, redistribution, retransmission, publication or commercial exploitation of downloaded material will be permitted without the express written permission of TWC and the copyright owner. | 02:27 |
| benson | Yeah, so until forecasts get a lot better, I buy that they're not facts. Didn't really think of that. | 02:27 |
| wazd | so we have to get that written permission to use the service | 02:27 |
| jarrettwold | oh well on that note I'm off to find support for palm t|x linux | 02:27 |
| benson | Although, if the forecast were _always_ right, wouldn't it be a fact... | 02:28 |
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| wazd | lcuk: does what? | 02:28 |
| lcuk | it copies and transmits the data | 02:28 |
| lcuk | and creates a derivative | 02:28 |
| lcuk | cos they supply xml flat text | 02:29 |
| lcuk | firefox converts it to a tree for me! | 02:29 |
| rzr | I was wondering , how close is maemo5 to mer ? | 02:29 |
| wazd | lcuk: it doesn't transmit the data, it gets the data | 02:29 |
| benson | And VNC copies it too. Eep! | 02:29 |
| lcuk | do you think firefox has permission? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | OMG! what about when it gets copied over the pci express bus! | 02:29 |
| lcuk | or onto a blit window! | 02:29 |
| Stskeeps | rzr, depend on what level you compar | 02:29 |
| Stskeeps | e | 02:29 |
| * benson hides under the desk. | 02:30 | |
| lcuk | wazd, does firefox have permission to get the data and process it into something else? | 02:30 |
| rzr | on UI at least ? if maemo is based on QT i guess not | 02:30 |
| benson | Are the copyiright police coming? | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | we use maemo 5 pre-alpha2 gtk, libhildon, etc | 02:30 |
| lcuk | how would they logistically manage all the feeds? | 02:30 |
| wazd | lcuk: you know, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a designer, I'd better ask for permission than face problems in future :) | 02:30 |
| lcuk | benson, you would think | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo 5 is not qt afaik | 02:30 |
| benson | rzr: no, maemo5 is not Qt based. | 02:30 |
| lcuk | wazd, why are you deciding which weather service *I* use? | 02:31 |
| benson | It will have available Qt support. | 02:31 |
| rzr | I was wondering about the fosdem demos :) | 02:31 |
| rzr | unfortunately i wont be there | 02:31 |
| benson | And the next one will have side-by-side, fully supported Qt and GTK; beyond that, we don't know... | 02:31 |
| Stskeeps | rzr, maemo4 ran on beagle without big changes afaik.. | 02:32 |
| benson | But dropping GTK seems highly unlikely even then. | 02:32 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm deciding which provider to ship OMW with | 02:32 |
| rzr | ok thx for these infos I'll have to announce fosdem and try to promote mer | 02:32 |
| wazd | lcuk: to avoid legal problems | 02:33 |
| benson | ~lart copyright law for great justice | 02:33 |
| * infobot calls copyright law on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for great justice | 02:33 | |
| lcuk | wazd, 1 provider? what if it doesnt go close enough - my met office feed does north west uk | 02:33 |
| lcuk | roope, can we find out which country a tablet is located in? | 02:34 |
| wazd | lcuk: we're now making the support of multiple sources | 02:34 |
| lcuk | wazd, why not hold a small db of countries and providers | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | rzr, mer is basically a different approach to a maemo platform.. some things are similar, some are way different | 02:34 |
| lcuk | that way, i can happily have my met office and you can have your fixed one which needs a logo | 02:35 |
| lcuk | and because you have not chosen which is used its not your personal problem about copyright | 02:35 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm not forcing you to use OMW) | 02:35 |
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| rzr | Stskeeps: mer is not planned at fosdem ? is it | 02:35 |
| lcuk | its a nice desktop widget to have :) | 02:35 |
| Stskeeps | rzr, correct, but some mer (ab)users are going | 02:36 |
| wazd | I don't know why are you so mad bout configuring every pixel | 02:36 |
| lcuk | im not | 02:36 |
| wazd | you are) | 02:36 |
| lcuk | i just dont like fixed unavoidable areas | 02:36 |
| lcuk | i design in a resolution independent manner i really dont care about a single pixel | 02:36 |
| lcuk | look at any of my screenshots - none are pixel perfect, but they have an organic realizm to them :) | 02:37 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 02:37 |
| wazd | btw, legal agreement with Foreca gave us much more than simle RSS feed | 02:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: gnite | 02:37 |
| lcuk | gnite Stskeeps | 02:37 |
| benson | night | 02:37 |
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| lcuk | wazd, about my original thinking, if i just emailed someone the omweather config options from my ~ and they put em on their tablet, would their omweather look like mine? | 02:38 |
| wazd | benson: funny that you mentioned graphs cause I'm working on them right now) | 02:38 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm not the right person to ask bout it | 02:39 |
| wazd | lcuk: you better ask Vlad | 02:39 |
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| lcuk | ok | 02:39 |
| benson | wazd: cool, I may have to start using omw then. :) | 02:40 |
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| wazd | And about the banner - I think it's pretty fair to show it to honor the work of forecast-service-guys | 02:44 |
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| wazd | They are not forcing us to use corporate colors for example, they just happy to be properly mentioned without ask | 02:45 |
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| benson | Oh, I'm quite happy to have the banner there... I just don't like restrictions on configurability, especially an overly-broad lockdown of _everything_ when only one thing needs to be controlled. | 02:49 |
| benson | But if the permitted layout is good enough, I can put up with not being able to change it, even if I'm not real happy. | 02:50 |
| wazd | benson: I was talking about detailed view only | 02:53 |
| wazd | benson: all desktop stuff will remain and without any banners | 02:53 |
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| wazd | benson: I really don't see any problem in making detailed view non-configurable. I just have to make it well to make most of peole happy with it | 02:55 |
| wazd | benson: and we will not work for 10 people to make UI configurable cause it's a waste of precious time. We already working as hard as we can | 02:56 |
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| wazd | How about bolded version? http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/0902/1d/5a50d91c6073.jpg | 02:57 |
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| wazd | and a way enlarged version. That's totaly max that I can get from that layout | 03:15 |
| wazd | http://i047.radikal.ru/0902/35/75ee18c95cc6.jpg | 03:15 |
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| trogdor | who throws a shoe? Honestly. | 04:27 |
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| user123 | what is it gonna take for ogg to be supported by nit's?? | 05:06 |
| user123 | even after loading the ogg.support package, my radio stream does not play :( | 05:07 |
| user123 | wscafm.org | 05:08 |
| user123 | how many votes does the ogg bug take before it is taken seriously?? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with 3rd-party support? | 05:10 |
| sandman | user123: You could always code it yourself, you know. | 05:10 |
| sandman | Heaven forbid. | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ogg support has already been put together. | 05:10 |
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| user123 | tell me what has tto be done for that station to work, svp | 05:11 |
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| user123 | ogg support would be such an easy way to appease the foss crowd ... why not? | 05:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | user123, as usual, blame lawyers. | 05:21 |
| user123 | bah! | 05:21 |
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| user123 | that is such fud, GeneralAntilles | 05:21 |
| benson | user123: mplayer http://74.220.236.214:7000/wsca.ogg | 05:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | user123, no, that's truth. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the lawyer's fault. | 05:22 |
| benson | works fine here. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it were up to anybody but the lawyers, we'd have ogg support. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not, so we don't. | 05:22 |
| user123 | mplayer? i'll try and load it | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 3rd-party support works fine, anyway. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's not worth getting worked up over. | 05:22 |
| user123 | ogg is /the/ reason i bought the nit... :( | 05:24 |
| user123 | i just bought a sansa clip because the nit was so faulty there | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ogg player is a strange reason to buy a $400 pocket-laptop. | 05:25 |
| user123 | $250 at newegg.. and i bought two! | 05:26 |
| user123 | sorry, tigerdirect | 05:26 |
| benson | To listen to an ogg stream with each ear? | 05:26 |
| benson | Anyway, I guess it's good that ogg works just fine, then. | 05:27 |
| user123 | one for my housemate... | 05:27 |
| benson | mplayer, and anything that uses mplayer as a backend, handles that stream. | 05:27 |
| user123 | kmplayer? | 05:28 |
| benson | Should work, I think. | 05:28 |
| benson | Never used it. | 05:29 |
| user123 | rgr | 05:29 |
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| user123 | stream still opens in regular player, not kmplayer.. | 05:30 |
| benson | So open it in kmplayer instead? | 05:31 |
| user123 | so irritating, this should just work! | 05:31 |
| benson | It does. | 05:31 |
| benson | Just type mplayer http://74.220.236.214:7000/wsca.ogg | 05:31 |
| user123 | how to open stream in kmplayer? | 05:32 |
| user123 | oh | 05:32 |
| benson | IDK, I've never used kmplayer. | 05:32 |
| benson | But open it up, and it should have some "open URL" or some such. | 05:32 |
| user123 | have to type a url? damn... | 05:32 |
| user123 | no multiwindow | 05:33 |
| benson | copy/paste works, this is not an iphone. ;) | 05:33 |
| user123 | no copy in xchat | 05:33 |
| benson | Hmmm.. then xchat is evil. Try bliond keyboard shortcut? | 05:34 |
| benson | s/ion/in/ | 05:34 |
| infobot | benson meant: Hmmm.. then xchat is evil. Try blind keyboard shortcut? | 05:34 |
| benson | Or copy it from the station's website. | 05:35 |
| user123 | rgr | 05:35 |
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| user123 | did not work .. error | 05:37 |
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| benson | user123: what error? | 05:38 |
| user123 | this should just work ... it is a free codec | 05:38 |
| user123 | long error.. | 05:39 |
| user123 | name media server not found | 05:39 |
| user123 | or similar | 05:39 |
| benson | If I had to guess, I'd say a typo in the URL. | 05:40 |
| benson | Definitely doesn't sound like a codec issue. | 05:40 |
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| user123 | i copied from the web link.. | 05:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's copy in XChat | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | on the VKB | 05:41 |
| user123 | vkb? | 05:41 |
| user123 | oh nm | 05:41 |
| benson | just checked, and I don't even _have_ ogg-support (or whatever) installed. | 05:41 |
| benson | mplayer' | 05:41 |
| benson | s all you need, as expected for a free codec. :) | 05:42 |
| user123 | no mplayer in default repo | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 05:42 |
| infobot | [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 05:42 |
| benson | Then the url there is probably wrong; try going another layer in. | 05:43 |
| user123 | sorry, this is too frustrating | 05:43 |
| benson | IIRC I saw a link to an m3u, which had the name of the stream. | 05:43 |
| user123 | thanks for your attention, but i am disappointed with this crap | 05:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people are just easily daunted. | 05:44 |
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| benson | Why is everything working the same blinking way I do it on my desktop somehow _not_ "just working"??? | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people. . . . | 05:45 |
| derf | benson: Are you crazy? mplayer's support for Xiph codecs is pretty awful. | 05:46 |
| benson | It works for me. | 05:46 |
| derf | Vorbis is the only one that mostly works. | 05:46 |
| benson | I don't mess with much media of any description, but when I do, mplayer seems fine... | 05:47 |
| derf | Try seeking in a Theora file sometime. | 05:47 |
| * benson wonders if he's ever _seen_ a theora clip. | 05:47 | |
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| benson | I know the codec's out there, but have made no effort to find some and try it. | 05:48 |
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| benson | At any rate, since a vorbis stream was the only thing at issue here, not sure how I'd be "crazy" for thinking it was "just working" in this context. :p | 05:49 |
| derf | It was more the "as expected for a free codec" part. | 05:49 |
| derf | mplayer developers hate Ogg, do not get along with Xiph developers, and don't take our patches. | 05:50 |
| benson | Ah, ok. Again, a response to his allegation that "ogg is a free codec, it should just work", when in fact it was just working (for me). | 05:50 |
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| benson | Is there some alternative that plays everything mplayer does, and does Xiph codecs better? | 05:52 |
| benson | If so, I don't mind trying it; I've no dog in this fight. | 05:52 |
| derf | Well, vlc at least accepts patches. | 05:52 |
| derf | And they also play pretty much everything. | 05:53 |
| * benson remembers VLC being the abomination of slowness on his windows machine. | 05:53 | |
| derf | Well, you know. Windows. | 05:53 |
| benson | But it may not be as bad on Linux, obviously. | 05:53 |
| benson | Mplayer does do much better on Windows, in my experience. | 05:54 |
| benson | It does better than WMP, as well. | 05:54 |
| benson | Still, performance in ports doesn't mean much to me, so maybe I'll give VLC a shot sometime. | 05:54 |
| benson | YAY! 256 color screen and rxvt now functional! | 05:56 |
| benson | Now I just need a nick-coloring irssi script. | 05:57 |
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| Shadow__X | interesting thing i found | 07:29 |
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| Shadow__X | if you use tversity you can view videos on the nx0 series | 07:29 |
| Shadow__X | perfectly | 07:29 |
| Shadow__X | although tversity is a windows app it has a preference for them | 07:29 |
| Shadow__X | it should behave like mdeatomb | 07:29 |
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| Addison | Greeting all! :) | 07:42 |
| johnx | morning "_ | 07:42 |
| Addison | Hey, super quick. How can I search my tablet for any files that contain the word "UTF" somewhere in it, including all root areas? | 07:43 |
| Addison | Just need the command to type here peoples. :) | 07:43 |
| johnx | from the command line: find / -name "*UTF*" | 07:43 |
| Addison | Excellent! Thank you John! | 07:43 |
| air | there is also a "search" item on the menu | 07:44 |
| johnx | you'll get lots of errors as it strays into /proc though, so you might want to: find / -name "*UTF*" > /home/user/MyDocs/search.txt | 07:44 |
| johnx | for later perusal | 07:44 |
| air | same with /dev | 07:45 |
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| johnx | air, will search from the menu look in / ? | 07:45 |
| Addison | What's the deal with getting an error called "Too many open files"? | 07:45 |
| Addison | I'm not running anything besides Xterm at the moment. | 07:45 |
| Addison | Oh nuts. You were right on top of that John! | 07:46 |
| benson | That means it went into proc and tried opening all the files iot had open, and then opening all of _them_, and so on, till it maxed out the number of open files permitted. | 07:46 |
| air | john: never used it but it looks like it will search all files in / | 07:46 |
| benson | s/iot/it | 07:46 |
| johnx | Addison, I think it will find what you want anyways, even though it complains | 07:47 |
| pupnik | good use of sound b-man | 07:48 |
| pupnik | hey Addison -- missed you last time | 07:48 |
| Addison | Hey pupnik! What's up you stupid twat waffle?!!! Good to see you again! :) | 07:49 |
| pupnik | nice. never been called twat waffle | 07:49 |
| pupnik | been studying "Yes, Minister" | 07:49 |
| Addison | Well, you deserve it. | 07:49 |
| Addison | I think the girl said "mini....something else" but you were selectively listening. *lol* | 07:50 |
| Addison | Hey, be right back in two minutes. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's upgraded to the new Canola release? | 07:50 |
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| benson | GeneralAntilles: I did, but I don't use it. | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much faster. | 07:52 |
| * benson just installed it to get dependencies for some other broken package. | 07:52 | |
| air | can packages be masked so new versions dont show up in application manager? | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | air, not with the Application Manager. | 07:54 |
| air | i dont want to upgrade carman to 0.7 and cant use update-all with it in the list | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why don't you want to upgrade? | 07:54 |
| air | it doesnt have the scan tool feature that 0.6 has | 07:54 |
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| Addison | Hey pupnik, last night I finally cracked the whole IBM graphics trouble using Telnet which I posted here... | 07:55 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637 | 07:55 |
| Addison | You interested? | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | air, I'm filling an enhancement. . . . | 07:55 |
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| * GeneralAntilles still isn't used to the new Bugzilla layout. | 07:55 | |
| Addison | You're probably the only one still archiac like me who might appreciate it. | 07:55 |
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| pupnik | Addison: thanks - reading | 07:59 |
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| pupnik | that keyboard layout is sweet | 08:00 |
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| Addison | Yeah, with that font I get a perfect 80x25 layout. The keyboard takes up the bottom so basically I'm left with an 80x24 which most telnet sites prefer. | 08:01 |
| * b-man sleeps, g'night all | 08:01 | |
| Addison | See ya b-man. | 08:01 |
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| benson | night | 08:01 |
| Addison | Hey benson! Never seen you around before. You've posted a few times after me and always wanted to say hi to ya. | 08:02 |
| pupnik | no time - brain is elsewhere Addison - cheers | 08:02 |
| Addison | Okay. Have fun with you and your brain. | 08:02 |
| benson | Hiya! :) | 08:03 |
| Addison | I might have time next weekend to chat again pupnik. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can now no longer file bugs on Diablo. . . . | 08:03 |
| Addison | So benson, are you old school like me and ArnimS? | 08:03 |
| benson | Old school how? | 08:04 |
| air | general: why not? | 08:04 |
| benson | No BBS/telnet gaming, etc. | 08:04 |
| benson | But I like Doom II | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | air, installed timeless's improved en_US strings, so most of my strings will no longer match Nokia's. ;) | 08:04 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, at least that's consistently mirroring the policy on fixing bugs for Diablo :) | 08:04 |
| Addison | You don't telnet? I thought you did for some reason. | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, ;) | 08:04 |
| benson | Only for "real work", and more ssh than telnet. | 08:05 |
| Addison | Are you in the medical field or am I confusing you with bunason? (sp?) | 08:05 |
| benson | Probably confusing me with bunanson. | 08:05 |
| benson | I'm in engineering. | 08:06 |
| Addison | What do you do then? | 08:06 |
| Addison | Ooh, must be nice to have a huge brain! | 08:06 |
| benson | Aerospace engineering, grad student. | 08:06 |
| benson | lol | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | air, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4081 | 08:06 |
| benson | Only a student, so I'm still working on getting my brain huged. ;) | 08:07 |
| Addison | So you're not planning our next trip to mars then? | 08:07 |
| benson | Well, not officially... | 08:07 |
| benson | (Ok, not at all.) | 08:07 |
| Addison | If I was an astronaut, I would be so bitter if I got called up for that mission. Basically it would be like, "We've chosen you to die a horrible, searing death for our country. You've made peace with your family members, right?" | 08:08 |
| air | general: oh nice, thanks | 08:08 |
| benson | ATM I'm wrangling textbooks mostly, but I should be digging in to some serious research over the next few months. | 08:09 |
| Addison | Hey benson, what's your take on the whole dark rift thingie coming up in 2012? Is that all just a bunch of superstitious bull honkey? | 08:09 |
| benson | Addison: Maybe I'm young, stupid, and relatively unattached, but I'd _kill_ for that mission. | 08:10 |
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| Addison | Even knowing that you'd probably would most likely be screaming just before the moment of death? | 08:11 |
| benson | Then again, you might not die. Even probably wouldn't die. | 08:11 |
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| benson | And there's all sorts of ways to die, some of them involve screaming (at much lower intensity) for years. | 08:12 |
| Addison | You'd have no spine left by the time you reached Mars. Makes it a little tough to ambulate without one. | 08:13 |
| benson | I think most space crashes are likely easier than a lot of old-age/disease type deaths. | 08:13 |
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| benson | As for 2012, not sure what dark rift thingie? | 08:13 |
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| Addison | The dark rift thingie where the sun is in the center of the galaxy, it only occurs every 26 thousand years. | 08:14 |
| benson | (I'd probably put it down in the superstitious bull column though, just guessing.) | 08:14 |
| benson | ?????!!!!!????? | 08:15 |
| Addison | The Myans calendar was based on this principle. | 08:15 |
| benson | And it's supposed to happen in 2012? | 08:15 |
| Addison | Yeah, you never heard of December 12 (I think), 2012? | 08:15 |
| Addison | I heard that back when I was a little newb and it scared the shitters out of me. :( | 08:15 |
| benson | 12/12/12? sounds auspicious, but no, I hadn't. | 08:16 |
| benson | I'm kind of sitting here chuckling now that I have. | 08:16 |
| benson | I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm gonna google and search for more details. | 08:16 |
| Addison | Whoops, sorry, it's going to happen on the 21st. | 08:16 |
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| pupnik | our sun does not pass through the center of the galaxy | 08:18 |
| benson | http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686 | 08:18 |
| pupnik | please filter the bs from the science | 08:18 |
| benson | Passes through the plane of the galaxy, pupnik. | 08:19 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 08:19 |
| benson | Passing through the center would be cause for alarm, of course. XD | 08:19 |
| pupnik | astrology then | 08:19 |
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| Addison | So in a nutshell, should I be hoarding water and defending my home in combat mode that day? :) | 08:20 |
| benson | Addison: I'm more worried about the Prophet getting elected. | 08:21 |
| Addison | Who's the Prophet? | 08:21 |
| benson | Oh, definitely, but you should _always_ be hoarding water and defending in combat mode. | 08:21 |
| benson | Heinlein reference. | 08:21 |
| benson | Happens in 2012 | 08:22 |
| Addison | Viva la revolution! | 08:22 |
| Addison | *lol* | 08:22 |
| Addison | Give me a link to Heinlein, yeah? | 08:22 |
| Addison | Like got a page or something? | 08:22 |
| benson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein | 08:22 |
| Addison | You're worried about Bob? *lol* | 08:23 |
| benson | The book that's from would be Methuselah's Children, I think, though I haven't actually read it. | 08:23 |
| benson | (Or whichever one it was.) | 08:23 |
| * benson needs to find more time for reading/listening to SF. | 08:24 | |
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| Addison | I once thought of a great SF movie. It's a guy that built a machine using tachyon energy to send light signals faster than the speed of light to himself. Uses it to win the lottery and crack wallstreet stocks to fund his project even more then presents it all to the government. | 08:29 |
| Addison | So far, I've gotten almost the first sentence written... | 08:29 |
| Addison | It's "In the beginning...." | 08:29 |
| Addison | What do you think of it so far? | 08:29 |
| benson | That's a good start; I think you could have a real best-seller start with that. | 08:30 |
| Addison | The way it would have to work is to have two rooms, one to send the signal, the other to receive it. | 08:30 |
| Addison | My mind kind of wobbles on how you would send it to yourself though. Because once you received the message, I think you would have to then send that message into the machine to receive it, which you already did. | 08:31 |
| Addison | Crap, this is giving me a headache just thinking about it. | 08:31 |
| Addison | *lol* | 08:31 |
| johnx | Addison, watch 'Primer' :) | 08:31 |
| Addison | What's primer? | 08:32 |
| benson | That actually puts me in mind, a bit, of some book I read... only know I can't remember the title, or author. | 08:32 |
| johnx | telling you about it would ruin it, but based on what you were just talking about I think you'd like it :) | 08:32 |
| Addison | So it's a book john? I really hate books! | 08:33 |
| Addison | Can't I just see the movie? | 08:33 |
| benson | He told you to watch it. | 08:33 |
| johnx | you're in luck: it's a movie | 08:33 |
| benson | Watching books is quite boring. | 08:33 |
| johnx | benson, but it's also easy. I passed quite a few classes in high school through book-brain osmosis | 08:33 |
| benson | It's not the same one I'm thinking of. | 08:33 |
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| Addison | Ooh, nice! It actually got good reviews as well! | 08:34 |
| Addison | http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/primer?q=the%20primer | 08:34 |
| benson | (Which was a book.) | 08:34 |
| Addison | 68 is a great, overall score for Metacritic. | 08:34 |
| johnx | Addison, do yourself a favor and don't read up too much before watching it. it's better if it's a surprise I think | 08:34 |
| Addison | Reading is for retards and small farm animals.... no offense, john. :) | 08:35 |
| Addison | I'm part of the I want it all right now generation. | 08:35 |
| johnx | which generation is that? | 08:36 |
| benson | If you're a speed reader, you could go through it faster than the movie. :p | 08:36 |
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| Addison | Like I'm one who will stand in front of a microwave screaming "COME ON!!!!!", "IT'S ALREADY BEEN 27 DAMN SECONDS!" "WHERE'S MY DINNER ALREADY!?!!!!?" | 08:36 |
| benson | Addison: Turn the microwave on; it cooks faster. | 08:36 |
| johnx | ++ | 08:36 |
| Addison | I never liked you benson. *lol* | 08:37 |
| johnx | you walked into that one :) (Also picturing small farm animals reading Heinlein...) | 08:37 |
| Addison | Despite "The Primer" not having any scenes of tawdry smut action and is rated pg-13. I think I'll check it out this weekend if I have the time. | 08:38 |
| Addison | I'm still wanting to see 4 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days though. I'd like to see what all the hype is over this movie. | 08:39 |
| * johnx is totally out of touch with current movies... | 08:43 | |
| Addison | I think it was made a year ago, john. It's an independent Russian film on a girl wanting an abortion. | 08:44 |
| Addison | I don't think it would be your type of movie. | 08:45 |
| johnx | ah. yeah, I'll probably pass | 08:45 |
| Addison | Not really one for me either, but the ratings for it were through the roof. And since I'm such a sheep, I'd like to see it. | 08:45 |
| benson | sheep: aren't they small farm animals? :p | 08:46 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 08:46 |
| Vulcanis | apparently the welsh are quite partial to them. | 08:46 |
| Addison | F ewe, benson! *lol* | 08:46 |
| Addison | Sorry, bad joke. | 08:46 |
| Addison | I've got issues, but I'm trying to work on them. :) | 08:47 |
| benson | heheh. I'm not Welsh, though. | 08:47 |
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| Addison | Hey, so does anyone know if there is actually a character table for "UTF-8" encoding on the tablet? I've been looking but I don't think I've found one. | 08:48 |
| Addison | I'd like to make a new selection for character encoding using Xterm but I'm not seeing how it's programmed. | 08:49 |
| benson | A character table? | 08:49 |
| Addison | Like this one. | 08:49 |
| Addison | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437 | 08:49 |
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| benson | UTF-8 is a way of expressing the whole unicode space. | 08:49 |
| Addison | I'd like to have Xterm feature this without having to do the whole Konwert translation on the fly using Telnet. | 08:50 |
| benson | So there's no table involved. | 08:50 |
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| Addison | Okay, so what if I were to change the Latin (ISO 8859-1) to that table I just showed? What might be my first step? | 08:51 |
| johnx | sounds like you need a utf-9 capable terminal like gnome-terminal or urxvt | 08:51 |
| benson | If you can make xterm use raw 8-bit instead of UTF-8, you could use a CP437 font like: | 08:52 |
| johnx | s/-9/-8 of course | 08:52 |
| benson | http://dmr.ath.cx/misc/cp437/ | 08:52 |
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| benson | (I dunno, is our xterm even UTF-8? johnx sounds like it's not.) | 08:52 |
| Addison | Xterm doesn't take .pcf or bdf fonts, unless I'm missing something here. | 08:52 |
| benson | Should be able to use X fonts I think. | 08:53 |
| Addison | I thought it could only handle .ttf font format. | 08:53 |
| Addison | Okay, how so benson? | 08:53 |
| benson | Install them system-wide, and tell xterm to use them :p | 08:53 |
| * benson looks to see if we have system-wide font directory tree... | 08:54 | |
| Addison | I need something that I can specifically type into Xterm, I don't know any coding. | 08:54 |
| Addison | So when you're in Xterm, and you can choose the few limited types of coding, is there a way to overwrite one to basically makes a new type of encoding such as CP437? | 08:55 |
| Addison | It's actually not that important. I can already get CP437 encoding now, but I have to use konwert filters. I was thinking if I could hack a current encoding then I would be able to get a better speed on Telnet. | 08:57 |
| Addison | It's probably not worth the extra effort though. I just thought it might be a fun challenge to do so. | 08:58 |
| benson | Are you cool with running, say, rxvt, not osso-xterm? | 09:00 |
| Addison | Okay, sure. How can I lose? :) | 09:01 |
| Addison | Just to let you know though, I can't understand a thing with my tablet. All I'm really good at is math which sometimes helps out on a few posts. | 09:02 |
| Addison | I keep thinking that my request is simple. All I would like is for the tablet to be like a little mini PC while on Telnet and nothing else. | 09:03 |
| benson | Well, the trouble is that you don't have a VGA card, with CP437 in ROM, on your tablet. | 09:03 |
| Addison | Every time I post a topic on this, all I get is a dim flicker of recognition though. *lol* | 09:03 |
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| Addison | Hey benson, I think I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness. I should call it a night for now. Was part of a pelvic fracture, female hernia, and an acute appendicitus that ruptured today. Need to decompress and drink a few offline. | 09:09 |
| Addison | I'll try and be back again next weekend if possible. | 09:09 |
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| benson | kk | 09:09 |
| benson | Maybe I'll even have an answer. | 09:09 |
| Addison | Great chatting with you though. You were everything cool I thought you would be! :) | 09:10 |
| Addison | See ya! | 09:10 |
| benson | This is an interesting problem. ;) | 09:10 |
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| benson | see ya | 09:10 |
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| fireun | craziness | 09:21 |
| fireun | telnet | 09:22 |
| * fireun shakes his head and goes to bed | 09:22 | |
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| pupnik | "If all government spending were expressed by printing then there would gradually develop in society an irresistible force to reduce it to a level that the people can afford." - pupnik | 10:20 |
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| `0660 | did you just quote yourself? :) | 10:34 |
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| jaem | good $localfuzzytime, everyone | 11:02 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: the HAM one? | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:14 |
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| Zic | Stskeeps: you make me think to take a look at the season 10 of Stargate: SG-1 | 11:43 |
| Zic | thanks :] | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Zic: heh, i so lost track of sg-1.. saw continuum and last episode and that was it | 11:46 |
| Zic | Stskeeps: me too, I can't recall where I have stopped to watch on the french TV... | 11:47 |
| Zic | season 8 I think, but anyway, I can't remind details so, just jumping directly to the last season 10 | 11:48 |
| Zic | :) | 11:48 |
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| wazd | hello everybody) | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 12:20 |
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| * Jucato is amazed at the signs of life | 12:22 | |
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| lcuk | mornin dead chan | 12:24 |
| * lcuk curses sleeping on a mathematical problem, my dreams are so strange | 12:25 | |
| Jucato | I slept on twitter/identi.ca last night... strange dreams as well | 12:26 |
| Jucato | of course nothing beats the number of dreams I've had about the n810... | 12:26 |
| lcuk | is that legal? | 12:27 |
| Jucato | O.o | 12:27 |
| * lcuk ponders talking it through to see whether he can make sense of it | 12:28 | |
| * wazd dreams bout the plane to sleep in that heads from Japan to California :) | 12:28 | |
| Jucato | quick question: is it normal that the N810 doesn't pick up my home wifi immediately, while the laptop has no problems? it some takes a couple of tries... but sometimes instant... | 12:28 |
| lcuk | Jucato, no problems here, but i use adhoc between all my devices | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: there's a scanning interval thing | 12:29 |
| lcuk | but in work the wifi is a bit flaky in the backoffices | 12:29 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps, I set it to never and do it manually | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: well then it doesnt catch the beacons.. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | mmmmm beacons | 12:30 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps, but if I set an interval, will it automatically connect even if I don't want it to? | 12:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 12:31 |
| Jucato | lcuk, vacons | 12:31 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a midori package for maemo or just for Mer? | 12:31 |
| lcuk | check your router doesnt have some odd random low power or hidden setting | 12:31 |
| Jucato | oh well, I guess I can olways turn it off :) | 12:31 |
| Jucato | lcuk, no problem with the router. laptop gets the wireless just fine | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | laptop might just store info that the 810 might be throwing away, worth just a quick look around its settings for anything obvious? | 12:33 |
| Jucato | hm.. ok... | 12:33 |
| lcuk | what signal strength do you get it at | 12:33 |
| Jucato | full | 12:33 |
| Jucato | when connecting | 12:34 |
| lcuk | are there other hotspots around? | 12:34 |
| Jucato | but atm I'm a bit far, 2/4 bars | 12:34 |
| Jucato | nope | 12:34 |
| lcuk | tis odd then, mine doesnt misfire and fail to see - is the ap set to hidden? | 12:34 |
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| Jucato | hm.. lemme check | 12:36 |
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| Jucato | it isn't | 12:38 |
| Jucato | oh well,. it's just a random annoyance, not a fatal problem (I hope) | 12:39 |
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| * aquatix waves from FOSDEM | 12:46 | |
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| Jucato | ooh fosdem :) | 12:48 |
| wazd | beer party (99 | 12:49 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 12:49 |
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| aquatix | wazd: hell yeah | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: anything interesting going on there? | 12:57 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: at the debian keytalk now | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | wish i could have gone but it conflicted with gf being here :P | 12:58 |
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| aquatix | (by bdale btw) | 12:59 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: ah :( | 12:59 |
| aquatix | priorities eh? ;) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: yeah.. | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | right, back to deciphering BME | 13:00 |
| aquatix | fun | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i have pretty much cracked how to get the status information out | 13:01 |
| Jucato | bad priorities ;) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: since i only see my fiancée a week a month currently, it does up the priority a bit | 13:02 |
| dexterk | I have a idea, if I cp -rf / to SD card,then boot from the SD like boot the debian beta, is that a way to clone OS 2008 to SD card? | 13:02 |
| Jucato | :) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | dexterk: there's a guide for cloning OS | 13:03 |
| * lcuk wishes he couldv been at fosdem, but it conflicted with getting code finished | 13:03 | |
| Stskeeps | or use penguinbaits stuff | 13:03 |
| qwerty12 | dexterk, that's basically what the cloning scripts do.. but you'll have more success using tar | 13:03 |
| dexterk | Stskeeps: not just copy ? | 13:03 |
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| dexterk | qwerty12: I　really want to try ,lol | 13:04 |
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| * qwerty12 doesn't bother with cloning, much more refreshing to mount a stock rootfs on the computer and tar it up and unpack on my partition | 13:04 | |
| dexterk | I　am go to try my idea | 13:05 |
| dexterk | lol | 13:05 |
| lcuk | ~lart my blitter routine | 13:06 |
| * infobot whips my blitter routine with a wet and grimy noodle just because | 13:06 | |
| * wazd wishes he could've been at fosdem, but it conflicted with Russia x( | 13:08 | |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | BME keeps track of how long time it has been charging | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | cute | 13:08 |
| Jucato | while looking for the "booting from sd card" instructions, is this setup possible: I'm going to partition the internal 2GB card in to two (mabye 1GB/1GB or 1.5GB/.5GB), keep one of those two as the orignal "Internal Memory Card" (mostly for swap) and boot into the other one (the larger of the two). the external memory will remain for data | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | HAHAHA! it works | 13:11 |
| Meizirkki | Jucato: seems fine | 13:11 |
| * lcuk makes it adjust for aspect ratio | 13:11 | |
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| Jucato | Meizirkki: thanks | 13:11 |
| aquatix | wazd: :) | 13:11 |
| aquatix | wazd: in russia, FOSDEM comes to you? | 13:12 |
| Jucato | "Why would we want to boot from a flash card? To improve performance (note, this is dependent on the quality of your flash card)." <-- what's the quality of the internal 2G memory? | 13:12 |
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| * lcuk smiles like a madman | 13:23 | |
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| * Jucato wonders if a madman could probably answer his question :) | 13:24 | |
| slonopotamus | hehe. i got X & touchscreen working | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: woo | 13:24 |
| * lcuk listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI | 13:24 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, morning :) | 13:24 |
| lcuk | This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. | 13:25 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, that was pretty easy | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: were you a developer too btw? or just ported | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. | 13:25 |
| Jucato | lcuk: I almost thought it was a link to "We are the champions" | 13:25 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, uh? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: as in, do you code C ;) | 13:26 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope | 13:26 |
| lcuk | no jucato, just got another piece of the puzzle in palce | 13:26 |
| lcuk | place | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: k | 13:26 |
| Jucato | ah :) | 13:26 |
| * lcuk looks at his points of data | 13:26 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, python, java, js, a little bit of perl/bash, but not C | 13:26 |
| * lcuk does a guitar solo | 13:26 | |
| dexterk | penguinbait tool does not work for me, always stop at partion... | 13:28 |
| * slonopotamus can't compile anything in cpp on tablet. it takes tons of ram, slows down and gets rebooted by wd | 13:28 | |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, what you trying to build in c++ - i managed it for a while before the slowness got to me and i went back to c | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, dunno if these cflags work for g++: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220028&postcount=16 | 13:29 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i wanted to build slim - tiny login manager | 13:29 |
| RzR | Any one at fosdem now ? I selected some conferences : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next | 13:29 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, put the cpu into performance mode, compilation of anything is about 5x faster for some reason | 13:29 |
| Jucato | penguinbait.. sounds familiar... | 13:29 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i'm in it | 13:30 |
| lcuk | arghhhhhhh i wanted to be at fosdem :'( but i hadnt finished my code and ive got a family party tonight | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | RzR: you at fosdem? | 13:30 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, heck, i can compile gcc, gtk, whatever else and can't build small login manager | 13:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:30 |
| lcuk | ok | 13:30 |
| RzR | Stskeeps: unfortunatly not, but i have friends there | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:31 |
| * lcuk puts code monkey on | 13:31 | |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, hmm... interesting options. will try them, thanks | 13:31 |
| lcuk | which options? | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, s/lcuk/qwerty12/ ;) | 13:32 |
| slonopotamus | s/lcuk/qwerty12/ | 13:32 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: qwerty12, hmm... interesting options. will try them, thanks | 13:32 |
| lcuk | "code monkey get up, get coffee" | 13:32 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, with defaults it behaves very badly when compiler grows up to ~90mb | 13:33 |
| lcuk | who thinks i should put up a small youtube vid? | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, eurgh. A reason why I'll never turn to on device compiling :) | 13:34 |
| lcuk | compile lots of little things and slot them together dynamically :) | 13:35 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, hehe. you have other problems in sb/qemu | 13:35 |
| qwerty12 | True :). I guess that's what sbrsh is there for :) | 13:35 |
| slonopotamus | sbrsh - ? | 13:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Sbox connects to your real arm device and uses the processor of that instead of qemu | 13:36 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 13:37 |
| slonopotamus | why this is better than on-device compiling? | 13:37 |
| * lcuk wants a very dynamic webservice offering compilation (and a wiki database for maintaining versions) | 13:37 | |
| Stskeeps | cos of the cross-compiler :P | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's kinda like inverse DISTCC | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | You can also set resource limits :) | 13:38 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, uh? i don't understand. who compiles in this setup? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: scratchbox compiles, tablet emulates | 13:38 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, uh? emulates what? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if the cross-compilation process needs to run a program that was built for armel | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | (happens quite often) | 13:39 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hmm... will you build perl without any modifications to it in such way? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: er, rephrase q | 13:41 |
| slonopotamus | can you build perl in sb? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | never tried | 13:43 |
| slonopotamus | i don't trust crosscompiler and try to avoid using it as much as possible | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | btw, http://git.pingu.fi/hald-addon-retu-adc.git/ <- battery information | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 13:44 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, try :) if you can't (even with sbrsh), then it's a broken emulator :) | 13:44 |
| * slonopotamus got very weird touchscreen behaviour until put /etc/pointercal calibration data | 13:45 | |
| Stskeeps | correct | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | look at the nokia-n8x0-pointercal stuff | 13:46 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hehe. i've already wrapped it ito ebuild :) all your bases are belong to us | 13:46 |
| slonopotamus | s/ito/into/ | 13:46 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: Stskeeps, hehe. i've already wrapped it into ebuild :) all your bases are belong to us | 13:46 |
| slonopotamus | gotta go, see ya | 13:47 |
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| qwerty12 | BTW, do an "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/dsm -r 151" to see really old dsme from 2006 era before it was cleaned up for opensourcing :) | 13:48 |
| kaie810 | Hi. How can I find the mac addr of the wifi access point I am connected to? Or the equivalent to iwconfig | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, i know | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I wasn't specifically referring to you ;) | 13:49 |
| gladiac | kaie810: iwconfig should be installed | 13:49 |
| kaie810 | Dont have iwconfig in roots path | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | kaie810, get root access, have extras enabled and apt-get install wireless-tools | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install wireless-tools | 13:50 |
| kaie810 | Thanks! | 13:51 |
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| kaie810 | Well. E: Couldn't find package wireless-tools | 13:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Extras enabled? But anyway, add the repo here (and disable when done): http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, does android use HAL? | 13:58 |
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| wazd | http://www.tvchannelsfree.com/watch/4899/Moscow-WebCam.html <- Hehehe, I can wave you from there in about 5 minutes :) | 14:06 |
| wazd | 15* | 14:06 |
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| HAL | im sorry Stskeeps, i'm afraid i can't do that | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | wazd, that webcam, on the road on the left there looks like multiple layers of cars parked, is it parking or a traffic jam | 14:15 |
| lcuk | ahhh tis ok | 14:16 |
| lcuk | it was traffic lights | 14:16 |
| wazd | lcuk: It's one of the weirdest places in moscow for the drivers pov :) | 14:19 |
| lcuk | wazd, all places in moscow would be weird for me :D you lunatics drive on the wrong side of the road!!! | 14:21 |
| * lcuk giggles like a schoolgirl | 14:25 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk has gotten the lsd-laced bacon | 14:25 |
| lcuk | :D i aint had any bacon yet, im just growing in confidence about the abilities in the new liqbase :) | 14:26 |
| * lcuk still has lots of work, but the principle works | 14:26 | |
| lcuk | i really hope i dont have to resort to lowering the screen resolution again, it doesnt like 640*480 | 14:27 |
| lcuk | at least not on this aspect ratio screen | 14:27 |
| lcuk | it works for other things | 14:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: :) | 14:27 |
| * lcuk ponders: do i need a zoomout transition as well as a zoomin | 14:28 | |
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| * lcuk just cant stop clicking | 14:29 | |
| lcuk | i really must fix the edge case for the background | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | whats the command line to configure/run the vnc server from the command line (ubuntu | 14:40 |
| lcuk | ive got an ssh session but i want to login with vnc | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | vncserver? :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | lol thanks | 14:42 |
| lcuk | i knew it had remote access on it (i use it to vnc into my windows desktop) | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | mmm | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | when i loginto vnc it shows me a raw new x11 session and not the current desktop that luke is faffing with | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's X11vnc you want then | 14:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh thanks | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does advanced power monitor poll or? | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it polls | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | and not just listening for dbus signals? | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I thought you were talking about apmd. apmd polls, not sure about apm | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | apmd, yeah | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | i can poll quite a lot in BME now :P | 14:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | apmd must poll because with nokia's original applet & apmd running, the battery applet goes crazy. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yes, the h-a-m one. | 15:29 |
| sandman | This just in: There are many racists on YouTube. That is all. | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | sandman, YouTube is the most bizarrely retarded place I've been able to find on the internet. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The comments there are otherworldly. | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Come on, the world's collection of spastics meet at the comments section. You're surprised by racism? | 15:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If nothing else it's damn impressive. | 15:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As if somebody distilled all of the internet's idiocy and fed it into the comments. | 15:33 |
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| wazd | guys, is that fontsize enough for old people?) http://s48.radikal.ru/i121/0902/24/8446e96a41e7.jpg | 15:40 |
| Jucato | yay!! successful partitioning and dual booting of internal memory! | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, no, probably not. :P | 15:44 |
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| wazd | screw old people then :) | 15:45 |
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| wazd | it's giant already :( | 15:47 |
| lcuk | wazd, you will *NEVER* get a one size fits all for any interface | 15:47 |
| lcuk | there is no such thing as the perfect UI. what you can give in the best case is enough choice to let them find the best one. | 15:48 |
| lcuk | and choice is not 100 tickboxes and options | 15:48 |
| wazd | the perfect UI is one button with "make it cool" functionality :) | 15:48 |
| lcuk | oh, ive got that here | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, just make the options good enough that you can pick between a nice, simple and huge 2-day, and a complicated and tiny 10-day. | 15:49 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: there will be no difference in day/night blocks, if you choose 2 day or 200 day :) | 15:50 |
| * lcuk hasnt fixed anything in place yet in liqbase | 15:51 | |
| lcuk | i will let the ui mould over time :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | right, im goin makin a short video | 15:53 |
| lcuk | i cant do any more code today | 15:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, enter liqbase into the N97 widget contest. :P | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can be the liqos widget. | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | An OS within a widget within an OS. :P | 16:02 |
| dexterk | anybody can help me a little? which deb source contain the libstdc++-dev ? | 16:02 |
| dexterk | os 2008 | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~seen fiferboy | 16:03 |
| infobot | fiferboy <n=quassel@216.185.81.34> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 32d 18h 18m 26s ago, saying: 'Thanks for the information. I will give that a try'. | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn :( | 16:04 |
| thopiekar | hello.. my project on garage.maemo.org is at reversion 64.. is it normal that commiting changes takes 10-15minutes? | 16:04 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i already entered all the widgets from the n97 contest into liqbase ;) | 16:05 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090202_232708.lib.scr.png | 16:06 |
| lcuk | but it looks awful | 16:06 |
| lcuk | video copying from camera | 16:07 |
| lcuk | should i upload it to liqbase.net before i put it on youtube? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | its 42mb | 16:07 |
| wazd | All we need is one one one vision... | 16:08 |
| lcuk | shit, whats my youtube password? | 16:09 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N800: Olmsted is on the Jabber now) | 16:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bacon | 16:09 |
| lcuk | haha | 16:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd, ah, thanks, maybe later :) | 16:09 |
| * wazd sings "Tie your mother down" | 16:11 | |
| wazd | my neighbours are pretty lucky with me not having proper speakers :) | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you should rectify that asap :p | 16:14 |
| wazd | my acoustics is at the country cause I'm having the overhaul in my appartments :) | 16:15 |
| wazd | So I'm having fun with perforator instead >:D | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 16:16 |
| wazd | So I think they will be actually pleased to listen to Queen, Leds and other stuff instead of noise :) | 16:17 |
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| lcuk | goooooooood how long does youtube take to upload | 16:19 |
| lcuk | i think i had this last time | 16:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, as long as your crappy internet connection takes? | 16:20 |
| lcuk | Uploaded (processing, please wait) | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | mer gets a nice advert in the middle of the video | 16:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk screaming "Meeeeeeeeeer!!" for 10 seconds? | 16:25 |
| lcuk | nahh | 16:25 |
| lcuk | but theres a mer logo | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: Meeeer could also be roughly translated to "Biiiiiitch!" | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:27 |
| lcuk | gahhh @ processing time | 16:28 |
| lcuk | oooh, theres a video on youtube! | 16:29 |
| aquatix | gah @ non-functional wifi at FOSMDEM | 16:29 |
| aquatix | -M | 16:30 |
| lcuk | should i give a link? | 16:30 |
| aquatix | wouldnt work here anyway ;) | 16:30 |
| aquatix | ssh already has about 20s lag | 16:30 |
| lcuk | you miss out then :P | 16:30 |
| aquatix | meh :P | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: everyone is downloading penguin porn | 16:30 |
| aquatix | well, post, i'll be able to see in the log | 16:31 |
| lcuk | penguinbait is cowering in the corner of fosdem | 16:31 |
| lcuk | #liqbase has the link :P | 16:31 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: ah, so there's what that inflatable penguin was for | 16:31 |
| * aquatix does not want to know | 16:31 | |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: furries and gnubies have things in common.. | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 16:32 |
| aquatix | currently in a reverse-engineering talk (gnash, flash video), RMTMP) | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | worst debug log i ever had to deal with was a dump of irc server traffic on a furry server.. | 16:32 |
| aquatix | *RTMP | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Sounds like a sticky situation :/ | 16:33 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: ick | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, why did you ever agree to look? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i didn't realize until too late :P | 16:34 |
| aquatix | ``The googles, they do nothing!' | 16:34 |
| aquatix | *goggles | 16:34 |
| aquatix | damn lag | 16:34 |
| dexterk | can I install the ubuntu jaunty software to maemo os 2008? | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | no, except with easy ubuntu qole's working on | 16:37 |
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| dexterk | qole's working? | 16:37 |
| dexterk | where can I see it | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | he mentioned it on iTT | 16:37 |
| dexterk | oh... | 16:37 |
| dexterk | and I really want a opera for os 2008 | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Opera sucks | 16:38 |
| dexterk | .... | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | heh, HAL battery lies a bit | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | hal battery says 14400 mins till battery low, BME says 10173 min | 16:39 |
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| wazd | oh, I have a classmates meeting right now) | 16:44 |
| wazd | Not so cool as FOSDEM beer party but still beer party :) | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No penguins I hope :) | 16:45 |
| wazd | well, only a couple of girls maybe : )) | 16:45 |
| aquatix | wazd: :) | 16:46 |
| aquatix | there wheren't much girls at the fosdem beer event ;) | 16:46 |
| wazd | my keyword is beer, not girls :) | 16:46 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 16:47 |
| wazd | I'm a good boyfriend :) | 16:47 |
| aquatix | :) | 16:47 |
| aquatix | same here | 16:47 |
| aquatix | damn great beer btw | 16:47 |
| aquatix | head.. still.. buzzing... ;) | 16:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Now, to get your mind of beer, you should drink hildon water ;) | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/of/off/ | 16:49 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: Now, to get your mind off beer, you should drink hildon water ;) | 16:49 |
| wazd | lcuk: nice video) | 16:50 |
| lcuk | yes wazd :) | 16:52 |
| lcuk | i am so pleased with the zooming effect :) | 16:52 |
| thopiekar | lcuk: n1 work! | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | daperl: did you do C btw? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | thopiekar, n1? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | nice one? :P | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | doh! | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: heh, who needs clutter when you have liqbase | 16:57 |
| lcuk | ;) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | (seriously though) | 16:57 |
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| Firebird | Hey guys, would there be any recent update that would turn touchscreen and key sounds on and cause this: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5369/dsc03807hb0.jpg ? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | Firebird, you missed the youtube vid | 16:58 |
| Firebird | hm? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | that looks corrupted | 16:58 |
| Firebird | it does it everywhere but the fanoush boot screen | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | Firebird: there's a new Xomap in the new one | 16:59 |
| lcuk | turn it off take battery out - let it fully cool down for a couple of hours and check then | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: seriously though - experiment: how quick can you enable xv overlay and scrape the current X screen and resize it? | 16:59 |
| Firebird | I've done that several times :/ | 16:59 |
| lcuk | damn bman | 16:59 |
| lcuk | which system is this in | 16:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, not that quickly, it needs a conversion from rgb to yuv | 17:00 |
| Firebird | blah, guess its reflash time :/ | 17:00 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: isn't there accelerated rgb in newest xomap? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | there might be, but the innards of liqbase current system work on yuv | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:01 |
| lcuk | it was the principle reason why i split it as a library | 17:01 |
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| daperl | Stskeeps, did you mean, "do I do C" | 17:01 |
| Firebird | wow nice | 17:01 |
| lcuk | hopefully we can make an alternative rgb backend | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: .. i need someone to implement a hald-addon-bme, i have the specs but cannot code it myself for various reasons :) | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i would be entirely satisfied with that as a WM really :P | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | would make the iphone people shit their pants | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:02 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:03 |
| lcuk | i didnt do it for iphone people, i did it for me | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 17:03 |
| lcuk | by the way :P rate the bloody video someone please :'( | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | done | 17:04 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, let me get some coffee and run some errands and I'll get back to you | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i would even use that on a big touchscreen too | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | and include some gesture stuff | 17:05 |
| lcuk | :) it works really nicely on my x41 | 17:05 |
| lcuk | i wanna buy an asus eee desktop touch thingy but i cant afford one | 17:06 |
| lcuk | but it will run sweet on it | 17:06 |
| * thopiekar has rated the clip with 5stars.. | 17:06 | |
| lcuk | i need a sane linux distro underneath it to make it work though :) | 17:06 |
| * Jaffa spots his buttons in the libliq demo :0 | 17:07 | |
| lcuk | :) yeah jaffa | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | It's looking good | 17:07 |
| lcuk | i wanted to test real things and your buttons are so clear and recognisable and nice | 17:07 |
| * Jaffa blushes | 17:08 | |
| wazd | I think that UI will be good for "Post-it stickers" app | 17:08 |
| lcuk | wazd, that calendar baseline is going to be a sharable real calendar | 17:08 |
| daperl | I've been getting my a*ss kicked trying to move the Diablo kernel up a version or two, so, who knows, maybe I could use an easier chance of success | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | daperl: *nod* | 17:08 |
| lcuk | with real hand notes and crosses on the days just like your real celendar on the wall | 17:08 |
| lcuk | when its shown zoomed out its just like when you are looking from across the room | 17:09 |
| lcuk | it conveys information that you cannot get from <robot>TEXT INPUT ON CALENDAR DAYS</robot> | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | i need it to share calendar with me and tracy and also for showing on my x41 pinboard next to me | 17:10 |
| lcuk | (big daddy) | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: curious question, is reverse engineered information about tablet internals (in this case, BME information) a big no-no on maemo.org? | 17:10 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, that kind of calendar will be a nice showcase toy I think. But not a serious PIM competitor :) | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | not BME blow-up-BME stuff, but BME-get-battery-information | 17:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: as for notes it's totally ideal | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I don't see a problem with it | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | especially since they offered us the bloody protocol in DSM, it is a bit -too- easy :P | 17:11 |
| lcuk | wazd :) its perfect for me and tracy and thats all i want - its expandable enough to allow -cal entries as well as the real handwritten ones | 17:11 |
| lcuk | its just a data view | 17:11 |
| lcuk | should be customizable and sharable by others | 17:12 |
| lcuk | if they make a better layout widget that uses other things they can share em with friends | 17:12 |
| wazd | ahhh, that's the source of your "shareable changable UI" fury :) | 17:13 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:13 |
| lcuk | i want you to supply a really nice layout, but also for me to make one and for someone else to make one | 17:14 |
| lcuk | but regular users can just select from a range of available views | 17:15 |
| wazd | Well, I have different purposes with OMW) | 17:15 |
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| lcuk | not really, you are making a layout for showing weather data, most regular users cant change it but advanced ones can | 17:16 |
| lcuk | the only thing missing from omw is sharing those alternative layouts | 17:16 |
| lcuk | which is what i was getting at :) | 17:16 |
| wazd | I want to make one good UI that people will not want to change) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | but they will | 17:16 |
| wazd | who? | 17:16 |
| lcuk | everyone has different ideas and levels | 17:16 |
| lcuk | i cant read half your stuff on that page on device | 17:17 |
| lcuk | i dont want 2 halves of info | 17:17 |
| wazd | I really never heard about alternative layout for OMW by now | 17:17 |
| lcuk | i just want to know the weather now | 17:17 |
| lcuk | ive seen threads about customizing bits and what to show and how big things are and stuff | 17:17 |
| roope | If you make it good enough, people won't think of wanting to change it. | 17:17 |
| roope | Only if the UI bugs them then they would want to change it. | 17:18 |
| lcuk | roope, have you seen the video | 17:18 |
| roope | nope. | 17:18 |
| Jucato | is there an identi.ca and twitter app(let) for diablo? so far only seen mauku.but dunno if it does identi.ca yet | 17:18 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 17:18 |
| roope | wazd: having said that, I'd really like to change the current layout draft. ;) | 17:18 |
| roope | coolio. | 17:18 |
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| wazd | roope: well, I've made some fontsize changes http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0902/9d/347152e1460c.jpg | 17:19 |
| wazd | roope: it should be readable now | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jucato, mauku does twitter | 17:19 |
| roope | Yes, the main text now is more readable. | 17:19 |
| Jucato | qwerty12_N800, how about identi.ca? | 17:21 |
| wazd | OMW is still open sourced so you can change whatever you want :) | 17:21 |
| wazd | But we will not spend time on sharing and changing adaptation | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nope. Don't think anything for identi.ca exists for tablet - @ Jucato | 17:21 |
| Jucato | qwerty12_N800, *sad face* | 17:22 |
| wazd | anyway, you can change the wallpaper :) http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0902/90/1b3b775e7a71.jpg | 17:23 |
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| Jucato | I followed the instructions to boot from a flash card, using the internal card. is it normal that the cloned system is almost 2x bigger than the original? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's compressed in flash | 17:32 |
| Jucato | aaah | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yes. jffs2 is a compressed fs, ext* is not | 17:33 |
| Jucato | hehe I should have made the partition 1.5GB then ;) | 17:33 |
| Jucato | nah, still 500MB to use up :) | 17:33 |
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| * lcuk clicks and zooms on liqbase and smiles some more | 17:43 | |
| Firebird | ? | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | Firebird, did you not see the video | 17:45 |
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| Firebird | not to the end | 17:45 |
| lcuk | :P maybe you should | 17:46 |
| suihkulokki | apparently openmoko packages are not much cleaner condition that mer packages | 17:48 |
| * suihkulokki is watching stream from fosdem | 17:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: at least we have more saner packages these time :P | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | we did try to improve some things :> | 17:52 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: where are the mer package sources these days? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | repository.mer.tspre.org or code.launchpad.net/m-r | 17:53 |
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| stv0 | damn | 17:59 |
| stv0 | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release | 17:59 |
| stv0 | everytime i want to update my apt cache | 18:00 |
| stv0 | i already searched for the key | 18:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's a warning, not an error. | 18:00 |
| stv0 | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY AE384AC3584BD4D6 | 18:00 |
| stv0 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. | 18:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that's an error. | 18:00 |
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| stv0 | what can i do? | 18:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dpkg --configure -a ? | 18:02 |
| stv0 | i didn't find this pubkey in the net | 18:03 |
| stv0 | doesnt't help, next time i want to update i have the same problem | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok, BME information @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol | 18:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Like I said, it's a warning. Leaving it there isn't gonna kill you. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | stv0: dpkg --configure -a gives what error? | 18:04 |
| stv0 | no error | 18:05 |
| stv0 | just on updating my cache | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | ran out of space? :P | 18:05 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, emergency! | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | (check df -h) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | my blog posting from slashdot to planet has merged the youtube link :'( | 18:05 |
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| stv0 | are 3.2M enough? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | stv0: sounds a bit low.. | 18:06 |
| stv0 | any possibility to extend my root partition? | 18:08 |
| stv0 | i just installed a bunch of apps there | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | clone to SD :P | 18:08 |
| stv0 | the complete root partition? | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's possible | 18:09 |
| stv0 | is there a tutorial for this? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | ~clone | 18:09 |
| infobot | well, clone is a clone card - i.e. a worthless, unreliable piece of junk. Is all that extra headache really worth the few dollars you're about to save? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | or not.. | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~boot-sd | 18:11 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 18:11 |
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| RzR | there is a debian nas conf video stream now : http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next | 18:12 |
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| stv0 | what about just create a new partition for /usr on my sd card? | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | cant assume it will respect fstab at bootup | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | daperl: when you're back, what i'm pondering is developing 'Implement hald-addon-bme open source based on dummy BME and Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol' (see Mer/Sprints/0.8 on wiki) | 18:23 |
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| * b-man updates his facebook profile and applys some patches to merinstaller | 18:32 | |
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| * lcuk dreads to think what his facebook looks like | 18:32 | |
| b-man | na, not too bad ;) | 18:33 |
| b-man | (in fact, it's pritty empty) | 18:33 |
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| p13|2nd | hi | 18:46 |
| p13|2nd | i was wondering if someone could help me with a hardware issue i'm having | 18:46 |
| p13|2nd | my N810 won't charge | 18:46 |
| p13|2nd | i was using it and all of a sudden it said recharge battery (even though it was supposed to be charging) and immediately turned off | 18:47 |
| p13|2nd | then it started endlessly rebooting | 18:47 |
| p13|2nd | now it won't even do that anymore, i just get the nokia logo and it powers off | 18:47 |
| p13|2nd | so | 18:47 |
| p13|2nd | something tells me, it's not charging at all | 18:47 |
| p13|2nd | any ideas ? | 18:48 |
| p13|2nd | i just got this secondhand and i guess i got ripped off | 18:48 |
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| matanZ | Did you try another charger? | 18:49 |
| p13|2nd | don't have any handy | 18:49 |
| p13|2nd | it detects the charger though | 18:50 |
| p13|2nd | and it's not just a pin because if i don't plug in the charger to the mains and plug it in to the tablet, it does nothing at all | 18:50 |
| p13|2nd | when i plug the charger into the mains and the tablet, it tries to boot but doesn't get anywhere | 18:50 |
| matanZ | The charger might supply some current, but not enough to charge the battery. | 18:51 |
| p13|2nd | my sis has one let's see | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Is it a AC-3X? | 18:53 |
| b-man | lcuk; http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1208523387&ref=name | 18:53 |
| p13|2nd | yes | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | From my experience, AC-3x's don't work with the n800 | 18:53 |
| p13|2nd | ah no AC-3B | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | 4x's & 5x's work fine | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | yep, same thing, just different connector from the UK model (AC-4X) I'd take it | 18:54 |
| p13|2nd | yeah i'm in belgium | 18:54 |
| p13|2nd | different charger, same issue | 18:54 |
| daperl | Stskeeps, I'm studying it and making a list of questions in my head | 18:54 |
| p13|2nd | it just wants to boot as soon as i plug it in and then when the nokia logo (blue text, not the hands) appears it just shuts off | 18:55 |
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| p13|2nd | and i can't turn it on anymore | 18:55 |
| p13|2nd | would a busted battery cause that ? | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | A quick question, is it a really dirty hack to make the characters in a game go at twice their speed? I've replaced "characterDesc[actor->character].speed" with "characterDesc[actor->character].speed * 2;" and can't help wondering if it's clean enough :/ | 18:56 |
| p13|2nd | i must say the back cover isn't totally flush with the case but it's mere millimeters | 18:57 |
| p13|2nd | and when i take the cover off, the battery comes out pretty easily | 18:57 |
| p13|2nd | i used to own a 770 and taking out the battery wasn't hard but it never just fell out | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | I've had this problem lots of times (I've bought about 6 chargers in total), and for me it was a charger issue :/ | 18:58 |
| p13|2nd | does your battery just fall out as well when you take off the back cover ? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, it stays in but this is on a N800 so I don't know if the N810 has a slighly looser mechanism (on the N800, it's tight for sure - I had to use a knife to get my battery out for the first few weeks) | 18:59 |
| * b-man shudders about using a knife on his n800 | 19:00 | |
| p13|2nd | well this is an N810 and all i can say is compared to the 770 | 19:00 |
| p13|2nd | this battery is WAY loose | 19:00 |
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| * qwerty12 sends his c-dogs port to the autobuilder. I guess people will have to live with the speed hack :) | 19:02 | |
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| RST38h | moo all | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 19:12 |
| p13|2nd | right, i've been reading about this issue some more | 19:12 |
| p13|2nd | seems like it happens a lot | 19:12 |
| p13|2nd | and it's not a charger issue | 19:12 |
| p13|2nd | http://blog.homac.de/?p=58 | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pretty sure that's for when your N8x0 doesn't come on at all | 19:13 |
| p13|2nd | it will come on briefly and then just power off | 19:13 |
| p13|2nd | aha, what battery should be in it ? | 19:15 |
| p13|2nd | mine has a BP-4L | 19:15 |
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| dmsuperman | Holy wow: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234025909&sr=1-5 | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | BP-4L is the standard N810 battery | 19:16 |
| p13|2nd | ah ok | 19:16 |
| Firebird | anyone else experiencing this? http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5369/dsc03807hb0.jpg | 19:16 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/02/Isophone-water-calling-concept.jpg | 19:18 |
| RST38h | Umgh | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | wtf, just get a waterproof phone | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I'm afraid to think about it, but it looks like the virtual reality glasses johnx always wanted, gone terribly wrong | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:21 |
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| puffandstuff | elloH | 19:34 |
| p13|2nd | right | 19:34 |
| puffandstuff | Hello | 19:35 |
| puffandstuff | A general question : Is there any xorg implementation able to use OpenGL ES to have HW acceleration please ? | 19:35 |
| p13|2nd | oh internet tablet, why hast thou forsaken meeh ? | 19:35 |
| p13|2nd | don't know | 19:36 |
| p13|2nd | can't even get it to boot | 19:36 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can tell me whether the new Canola v11 is worth trying? | 19:39 |
| lfelipe | RST38h: it definately is | 19:39 |
| lfelipe | beautiful, fast, an amazing experience overall | 19:39 |
| puffandstuff | Does maemo uses x11 ? with HW graphic acceleration ? | 19:40 |
| lfelipe | I can't even describe how much joy it gives me | 19:40 |
| lfelipe | also, I'm one of the developers, but that shouldn't change what I just said | 19:41 |
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| FireFox | puffandstuff: no, but you can use software acceleration | 19:42 |
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| puffandstuff | FireFox, Do you know about any X11 implementation wich support graphic HW acceleration using OpenGLES please ? | 19:43 |
| MoRpHeUz | RST38h: definitely =) | 19:44 |
| FireFox | there are no hw acceleration drivers available that are compatibile with the tablets unfortunately :( - and there is no implimentation for X11 hw acceleration. | 19:45 |
| suihkulokki | no opengl es based acceleration, but video acceleration exists | 19:45 |
| puffandstuff | FireFox, i meant in xegl implementation, x11 may run on top of glitz etc .. | 19:45 |
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| FireFox | you might need to ask lcuk about that; lcuk, you here? :) | 19:48 |
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| p13|2nd | guys, what charger is the n810 supposed to come with in europe ? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | My N800, from the UK, came with a AC-4X | 19:56 |
| p13|2nd | I have one AC-3B and AC-3X here | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | AC-3 series are useless with the tablets. Get an 4* or a 5* | 19:57 |
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| p13|2nd | is the thing supposed to charge over USB ? | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | nope | 19:59 |
| p13|2nd | k | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | There's http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3501382&culture=en-GB available but that uses the charger socket | 20:00 |
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| p13|2nd | right | 20:01 |
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| p13|2nd | so, you'd say that this is the charger ? | 20:02 |
| p13|2nd | all i can say is that i got the message to "charge the batter"y while it was supposed to be charging | 20:02 |
| p13|2nd | at least it showed it was charging | 20:02 |
| p13|2nd | then it got into a boot loop | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | When I was using my AC-3X, it said it was charging and then it went off :) | 20:03 |
| p13|2nd | now it just shows the nokia logo and then powers off | 20:03 |
| p13|2nd | sounds the same then doesn't it ? | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, it's what happened to me when I was using a AC-3x - the exact same. | 20:03 |
| p13|2nd | motherf* | 20:03 |
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| Vulcanis | well | 20:07 |
| Vulcanis | USB doesn't provide enough to charge and power it, right? | 20:07 |
| Vulcanis | so wouldn't you need to shut it down | 20:07 |
| p13|2nd | it's kind of permanently shut down ;? | 20:08 |
| p13|2nd | ; | 20:08 |
| p13|2nd | anyway | 20:08 |
| p13|2nd | i'm off to my mom's place, she said she had another nokia charger i could try | 20:08 |
| p13|2nd | later guys and thanks for the help | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Bye, good luck with the charger | 20:09 |
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| johnx_ | m00f | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | hi johnx_ | 20:10 |
| johnx_ | coming at you live from a netcafe :) | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Goddamn, maemo.org finds new ways to fucking piss me off | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx_ | 20:12 |
| johnx_ | I think I'm going to regret being out this late tomorrow O_o; | 20:12 |
| johnx_ | ...when I'm at work | 20:12 |
| johnx_ | hey Stskeeps | 20:12 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why libhildon won't build on debian-armel | 20:14 | |
| johnx_ | bringing mer to debian? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: bringing mer to armv4t | 20:15 |
| johnx_ | that's what I thought | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | not a focus but just fun thing i was bored with | 20:15 |
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| thopiekar | cu | 20:16 |
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| * johnx_ is somewhat curious about the kindle2... | 20:18 | |
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| FireFox | hello, Stskeeps | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo bman | 20:19 |
| FireFox | :) | 20:20 |
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| johnx_ | mornin' b-man | 20:20 |
| b-man | hi, johnx :) | 20:20 |
| RST38h | hey, johnx | 20:23 |
| b-man | Stskeeps; how did you get wierless up in mer?, because even though i have a re-built version of tablet-wierless from mer installed, network manager still cannot see the device. :/ | 20:25 |
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| * b-man is going crazy without wierless :P | 20:27 | |
| johnx_ | hey RST38h. how goes it with you on this fine staurday night? | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | can't blame you, no wireless is the reason I dont use mer :p | 20:27 |
| b-man | heh | 20:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: not very well, thank you | 20:28 |
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| RST38h | johnx: you wanted vr glasses? Here: http://i.gizmodo.com/5148673/swimming-pool-isolation-helmet-telephone-concept-is-the-worst-idea-since-unsliced-bread ! | 20:28 |
| dymaxion | hi | 20:29 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: saw those and I also saw a nice one-eye piece on akihabaranews | 20:29 |
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| dymaxion | anyone know how to change the font size on gpesummary applet. it's way too large. googling no luck... thanks | 20:30 |
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| * RST38h kinda hoped to gross johnx out | 20:30 | |
| dymaxion | also wanna change the transparency colour / % too | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | Ah, another time =) | 20:30 |
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| johnx_ | heh. I was just trying to figure out exactly what I want in a VR display the other night | 20:31 |
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| johnx_ | hmm...but actually VR is really a misnomer | 20:31 |
| johnx_ | I want more of a basic HUD | 20:31 |
| b-man | qwerty12: http://www.wipeoutpure.com/ :) - really sweet visual/sound effects | 20:31 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am pretty sure all you want is an image unobtrusively projected at the corner of your glasses | 20:32 |
| RST38h | because that is what everyone wants at the end | 20:32 |
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| johnx_ | RST38h: yup. even one eye would be fine. I've learned that all I really need is one working eye for 90% of what I do :) | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, hehe, i remember playing the demo on my psp (if that was meant to be addressed to me :)) | 20:33 |
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| b-man | i have that game :) | 20:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: should become Borg then! | 20:33 |
| RST38h | install a Deadly Red Laser Beam (tm) instead of the second | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, I could never bring myself to get the iso^H^H^H UMD :) | 20:34 |
| johnx_ | only thing I really miss is depth perception sometimes :/ | 20:34 |
| b-man | hehe | 20:34 |
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| johnx_ | no fun trying to play catch or baseball. and ping pong is a pain unless I'm right behind the ball | 20:34 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-17497-Nikon+Media+Port+UP300x+Head-Mounted+Display+PMP%2C+the+Review.html | 20:35 |
| * b-man wonders how cool it would be to have a maemo/gnome theme based off of that | 20:35 | |
| b-man | @qwerty12 | 20:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: with the Laser you will be able to incinerate the ball in the air | 20:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | psst, andrewfblack :) | 20:36 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: and a battery pack the size of a couple car batteries... | 20:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well the one at akihabara link is far from unobtrusive but it is integrated with headphones to mask that shortcoming :) | 20:37 |
| RST38h | johnx: naaah, 5W will do the ball nicely | 20:37 |
| johnx_ | yeah. so positive point: only covers one eye. negative: covers both ears ... | 20:37 |
| johnx_ | errr...I have doubts about | 20:38 |
| RST38h | (see wickedlasers wares) | 20:38 |
| johnx_ | 5W getting a ball in the air before it hits me | 20:38 |
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| * RST38h has now got a fully working TI85 emulator that looks like the real ti85 | 20:51 | |
| RST38h | (thanks to wazd) | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woot! :) ETA for the public? :) | 20:51 |
| johnx_ | hey, that's actually pretty awesome | 20:52 |
| Proteous | ppffff, hp48 all the way | 20:52 |
| Proteous | TI was for n00bs | 20:52 |
| johnx_ | you can keep your weird-ass reverse polish notation | 20:52 |
| Proteous | RPN == better | 20:52 |
| Proteous | more like programing | 20:53 |
| johnx_ | if by better you mean dumb, then yes | 20:53 |
| johnx_ | more like programming in forth | 20:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: As soon as I figure out why it crashes with floating point exception when SWAP button is pressed | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh :/ | 20:53 |
| RST38h | I am now lazily adding TI86 support, but do not expect it in the first release | 20:53 |
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| gfather1 | hello guys | 20:57 |
| johnx_ | hi | 20:57 |
| gfather1 | is there localization projects for maemo yet ? | 20:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | For what language? | 20:59 |
| gfather1 | arabic | 20:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I think locales-extras has Arabic locales | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I know there's support for displaying Arabic characters for sure, lemme check locales | 21:01 |
| gfather1 | ok | 21:01 |
| RST38h | there is support for hebrew, someone specifically worked on it | 21:01 |
| RST38h | my guess is that arabic will be somewhat similar | 21:01 |
| gfather1 | that meen bidi support is available | 21:02 |
| gfather1 | which is good news | 21:02 |
| gfather1 | but rendering arabic charectures is diffrent from hebrew | 21:02 |
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| gfather1 | but it shouldnt be that hard if bidi was supported | 21:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Can't find Arabic locales for OS2008 :/ | 21:02 |
| gfather1 | seems nobody worked on it yet | 21:03 |
| gfather1 | well i can help in localizing to arabic | 21:03 |
| gfather1 | menues , applications , stuff , keyboard | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there's http://tyros.leb.net/nokia/n800/ but I don't think that installs locales for the menu :/ | 21:04 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wonders if an Arabic font will work with Urdu well, my parents are always on at me... | 21:05 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I am sure there is a roman transcription for it, is there? | 21:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Not sure :/ | 21:07 |
| gfather1 | thats only arabic keyboard , and fonts , for web browsing | 21:07 |
| gfather1 | well i did the first arabic keyboard for android ;) , but i didnt make a wiki age yet | 21:07 |
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| gfather1 | with the help from a hebrew guy , have to give the credit , as it was the source from his keyboard | 21:08 |
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| Lamo | hello, is anyone in here using the LCARS theme? I really like it however when using it i am unable to see any text from rtcomm messages. | 21:11 |
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| gfather1 | well if there is an interest in doing arabic localiztion , i would be happy to do it | 21:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If you get the locales for OS2008 (they're scattered around - may be easier to do 'for a in /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/*.mo; do msgunfmt $a -o $a.po; done'), you probably can just merge the old ones from locales-extras for those available and maybe translate other strings yourself. | 21:17 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 where could i download the locals from ? | 21:17 |
| gfather1 | i dont have N800 | 21:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ has the en_GB ones for many apps like the desktop, control panel for the latest OS2008 version scattered around (with names like l10n) | 21:19 |
| gfather1 | oks | 21:20 |
| sp3000 | Lamo: the way I read bug 1716 is that the theme could be fixed to alter that text color specifically | 21:20 |
| * sp3000 is a bit uncertain about the comments | 21:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it's a bug in the app itself which expects white everywhere - at least app mgr was fixed to remove the same problem in app mgr | 21:22 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 hmm , very very confusing to know wich file to wich | 21:22 |
| gfather1 | *which | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Another carder spam | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Is anyone buying into these? | 21:22 |
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| Lamo | sp3000, you have a link to that bug with solution? | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, a few examples: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public/ (en_GB locale for the application manager), http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-fm-l10n-public/ (file manager locale), http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-control-panel-l10n-public/ (control panel) | 21:24 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 thanks , this should help more | 21:25 |
| gfather1 | and i could edit them easily with text editor , right ? | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | Lamo: I do, since my irc client is friendly enough to linkify "bug 1716" :P | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1716 | 21:26 |
| Lamo | thank you | 21:27 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 thanks , last question , how could i test them , is there emulater or someting ? | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, yep, they're just plain text files which must be turned into mo files with msgfmt when done. but dedicated editors such as poedit exist | 21:27 |
| gfather1 | yes , i cheked them ,. po files :) | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, hmm, there is N8x0 emulatin support in QEMU svn head version but it requires N8x0 to get some required files :/ | 21:28 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800> not with sdk ? | 21:30 |
| gfather1 | strange | 21:30 |
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| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 we have forgoten something , what about the menu layout ? | 21:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, hmm, yes actually - publically available strings probably could be tested with sdk but you'll have to install quite a few things as the sdk's gui environment is pretty much lacking | 21:31 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 u know thats its a rtl language , and the menues shoudl be right to left | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No idea wrt the menu layout :/, but the menu program & desktop are open source | 21:32 |
| gfather1 | seems i need to do allot of work here | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It would probably be easier if you had a real device :p | 21:33 |
| gfather1 | thats true :( | 21:33 |
| gfather1 | and i should talk to the dev team to , as if its gonan take allot of time from me , @ least it should be official localization | 21:34 |
| gfather1 | right ? | 21:34 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/MainSite.swf :D | 21:34 |
| gfather1 | i dont want to spend months of localiztions for nothing | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, the guy who did the OS2006 one was an nokia employee and i've never seen an Arabic locale two years later... | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, waiting for MicroB :) | 21:35 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 is there somoen from dev team here , i can talk to ? | 21:36 |
| gfather1 | * someone | 21:36 |
| b-man | hehe :) - i managed to get ith inner-workings of that site from wget ;) | 21:36 |
| b-man | re: the :P | 21:36 |
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| wazd | now I'm here) | 21:37 |
| b-man | wazd: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/MainSite.swf XD | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, haha, nice :D | 21:38 |
| b-man | :) | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd, hi :) | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gfather1, dunno, if there is, they're hidden :). maybe maemo-developers mailing list may help | 21:39 |
| gfather1 | you think i should use mailing list to contact them | 21:40 |
| gfather1 | will they be interested ? | 21:41 |
| wazd | b-man: I pressed "europe" and it hanged :( | 21:41 |
| b-man | try this: http://www.wipeoutpure.com | 21:42 |
| gfather1 | qwerty12_N800 thanks for ur help , i have to go now , but ill try to contact them in some way, ill come back later , if you had any extra info , ill be greatfull , | 21:43 |
| b-man | the one i showed you isn't complete) | 21:43 |
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| wazd | b-man: oh, have you done this?) | 21:45 |
| b-man | no :p, i found it ;) | 21:45 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:47 |
| b-man | hey, lcuk :) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | hiya b-man | 21:47 |
| wazd | I was fricking only guy at the meeting :) | 21:48 |
| wazd | Like king of the Pride xD | 21:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | so, how much girls were there? :D (or penguins :P) | 21:48 |
| wazd | about 16 :) | 21:49 |
| wazd | Not all of thew were penguins actually :P | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha, bet you enjoyed yourself being there :D | 21:49 |
| wazd | yeeeeaaah xD | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :D | 21:49 |
| wazd | It's nice to see how little girls became mature women :) | 21:50 |
| wazd | If I'll find my d-slr I'll post some of the photos :) | 21:51 |
| wazd | is there any footage from the fosdem? | 21:54 |
| * lcuk glides in and out | 21:58 | |
| Corsac | wazd: Debian devrooom has live stream | 22:01 |
| lcuk | link? | 22:02 |
| Veggen | good geeky/nerdy girls are worth waiting for, being that kind oneself :) | 22:03 |
| Veggen | <---found his girlfriend in the LUG :) | 22:03 |
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| lbt | lcuk: watcha doing gliding? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | lbt, take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 22:06 |
| lbt | I take it all the ice inspired you... :D | 22:07 |
| lcuk | what ice? | 22:07 |
| Corsac | lcuk: http://video.debconf.org:8000/Debian_dev_room.ogv | 22:08 |
| lbt | you looked out the window recently? | 22:08 |
| Corsac | but you know, it's over for today now | 22:08 |
| Corsac | lcuk: it'll restart tomorrow by 10 (CET) | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | thats a bit of a pain, im hopefully sleeping then lol | 22:08 |
| lcuk | lbt, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the light goes on | 22:08 |
| lcuk | im thinking wtf does in car entertainment have to do with liqbase | 22:09 |
| lbt | <Grin> | 22:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hey, I have got ti85 working | 22:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, did u see as well :D | 22:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: Wanna do an icon for it? (the usual svg) | 22:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: What? =) I have been away, doing some artwork | 22:10 |
| lcuk | just up there is a video | 22:10 |
| RST38h | oh a video | 22:10 |
| * RST38h does not normally watch internet videos | 22:11 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: cool! what is it for? =) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | its the foundations for my playground :) | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: make it an app already =) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | liqbase is an app already :) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | the new framework will have liqbase in it as well | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | why are you so concerned about me having a specific single "thing" anyway? i have never had one specific thing that ive wanted to do on a computer, its a multifunction multipurpose device | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: not saying it should do a single thing | 22:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: saying it should do a limited set of things well | 22:17 |
| lcuk | like fullscreen kinetic autoscrolling bookreader, fast efficient note taking, the most stable camera app, the nicest playground for messing with stuff, easy to use menus and stuff | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile in .FR: http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5135E320090204?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt&rpc=22&sp=true | 22:18 |
| lcuk | it does everything i want it to do at that point. | 22:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you really have to have a single concept to merge all these into an app | 22:19 |
| lcuk | they are all together and i use it everyday | 22:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: for example, a spreadsheet merges several different uses into a single concept | 22:19 |
| lcuk | concept : usable touch friendly ui | 22:19 |
| lcuk | with whatever apps i want in it | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i have mine | 22:20 |
| RST38h | ui is usually supposed to do something | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Let us say, you have got an endless desktop with easily zoomable documents on it | 22:20 |
| RST38h | THAT is a concept | 22:20 |
| lcuk | ive got it | 22:20 |
| lcuk | every single note i create endlessly goes on | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Well, if you work toward creating an app based on this concept alone, that would be wonderful | 22:21 |
| RST38h | you would get your paint app + book reader + photo taker/viewer | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | But remove everything that does not fit the endless-desktop-with-zoomable-docs | 22:21 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 22:21 |
| lcuk | download it now | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Yes, I did | 22:22 |
| lcuk | then i dont see your point? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | (note for others reading, thats the older liqbase using the original ui) | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Well, what I downloaded looked like a technology demo)very good one) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | yeah, and its incomplete and full of personal compromises | 22:23 |
| RST38h | Wasn't a complete app though | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | so i have been working towards making it better | 22:23 |
| RST38h | based on that video, I would say you are working towards experimenting with more concepts | 22:24 |
| RST38h | that is nice of course, but there is still no complete app based on that endless-desktop thing | 22:24 |
| lcuk | that video is closer to what i wanted to do originally but couldnt because of technical issues | 22:24 |
| lcuk | if i had font support (like i have in vb) i wouldv been scaling at the start | 22:25 |
| lcuk | the calendar principle has been wanted from the start, that was my original intent with the way i store sketches | 22:26 |
| RST38h | you mean, in a matrix, by day? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | but i couldnt make it look good with pure white only fixed resolution fonts | 22:26 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:26 |
| lcuk | i want a calendar that i can zoom to quickly and draw on like a real calendar | 22:27 |
| lcuk | that i can share with tracy | 22:27 |
| lcuk | and view on my x41 | 22:27 |
| RST38h | ah | 22:28 |
| RST38h | btw, casio also uses a calendar view in its cameras | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i dont want an icon of a calendar, and i dont want text written under each day - i want to be able to mark a day with a red X or something if i desire | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | obviously typed cal entries are useful as well | 22:28 |
| lcuk | but thats not in my head, other people will be able to help with that part if they want it | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | the modules in current liqbase are very modular already, but they suffer from a massive codebase. now that i have dynamic module support its easier for a person to get involved or make their own | 22:30 |
| lcuk | (or for me to just create as many as i want on a whim without setting up tonnes of dev env) | 22:30 |
| wazd | liqbase will become emacs :) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | no it wont | 22:33 |
| lcuk | thats what i stopped | 22:33 |
| RST38h | not until he bolts lisp on top | 22:33 |
| wazd | it will boil coffee, wash the car :) | 22:33 |
| RST38h | but I have heard lcuk is already working in this direction ;) | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, lisp is ugly, it will be basic :P | 22:33 |
| wazd | lcuk: I think it would be better to have separate apps for sketching, calendar and so on | 22:34 |
| lcuk | wazd :) its all sketching | 22:35 |
| lcuk | the calendar is part of it | 22:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: By calendar he means the calendar-based top view | 22:35 |
| lcuk | agreed the book reader isnt | 22:35 |
| RST38h | wad: it is actually useful to organize sketches by date | 22:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Actually, book (document) reader is well inside the concept | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, no, wazd is right, i also want to be able to mark on something for next month and see what tracy is doing etc | 22:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You load documents, read them, an dsketch on top of them | 22:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it would be an excellent app, if it were complete | 22:36 |
| lcuk | but havign a dynamic front end is best where the user can choose how their playground looks | 22:36 |
| lcuk | so if they dont want the book reading or the calendar it doesnt have to be there | 22:36 |
| lcuk | and if someone comes up with something else it can be added easily | 22:37 |
| * RST38h wonders if he can manage to make emulator quit when ti85 bios tells cpu to shut down | 22:38 | |
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| timelE61i | hi | 22:48 |
| * timelE61i wonders if people have tried the english package | 22:49 | |
| lfelipe | lcuk: where is the video ? | 22:51 |
| timelE61i | lcuk? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 22:52 |
| timelE61i | I got a rfe for liqbase | 22:52 |
| lcuk | rfe? | 22:52 |
| timelE61i | The pen width needs to be customizable | 22:52 |
| timelE61i | Oh, and there was something else too | 22:53 |
| lcuk | theres about a billion things, send me a patch and ill integrate it :P | 22:53 |
| timelE61i | Oh yes, the reader needs some encoding support | 22:54 |
| lcuk | i know about the pen thing | 22:54 |
| timelE61i | It ruined my french licenses | 22:54 |
| lcuk | no it doesnt timelE61i :) what the reader needs is a documented API so other people can add formats as required | 22:54 |
| lcuk | THAT is on the roadmap for the reader, i cant do everything :) | 22:54 |
| timelE61i | As long as it includes those by default :) | 22:55 |
| lfelipe | lcuk: hehe, cool | 22:55 |
| lcuk | yes the pen width is the last thing i need before i can do the next thing | 22:55 |
| timelE61i | my young customer will be happy | 22:55 |
| timelE61i | She said sketch was better ;-) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | my young customer is already happy | 22:56 |
| lfelipe | gotta try it | 22:56 |
| * timelE61i sighs | 22:56 | |
| lcuk | the biggest drawing requests ive had are more connected single page, pen width and a bloody eraser | 22:56 |
| lfelipe | though I've already given up on trying to use electronic devices for note taking and etc. | 22:56 |
| * timelE61i has bugs for maemo mine+drac+traffic too | 22:57 | |
| wazd | in fact it's very intersting to see how two radicaly different apps can live together within one platform :) | 22:57 |
| lcuk | lfelipe, i use it for fragments not whole paragraphs - its like a postit but quick enough to do many | 22:57 |
| timelE61i | oj, also.. | 22:57 |
| lfelipe | lcuk: yes, but do you eventually get around to doing anything with them later ? | 22:57 |
| lfelipe | I mean | 22:57 |
| lfelipe | don't they just get lost afterwards ? | 22:57 |
| timelE61i | I couldn't figure out what to do when it asked me for my name | 22:57 |
| lcuk | no, i have the very first note i took with it | 22:57 |
| wazd | liqbase strives total customizability and multi-functionality. OMW strives consistency and to do one thing well :) | 22:57 |
| lcuk | i can scroll back to the very start | 22:58 |
| timelE61i | And i .. Why are sketches and photos distinct? | 22:58 |
| * lfelipe has never been able to use any planner/calendar/etc. | 22:58 | |
| lcuk | timelE61i, :) they wont be for long | 22:58 |
| lcuk | the calendar widget preview in the video is how i want it - natural looking and me and the missus know what a red star in the corner of a day means | 22:59 |
| lfelipe | they all eventually become like blackholes | 22:59 |
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| lfelipe | everything goes in, nothing comes out | 22:59 |
| lfelipe | :P | 22:59 |
| lcuk | not at all, i can see the little men drawn on my calendar here | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i would know if something is on a day just like when i look at my paper calendar on the wall i know if something is wrote on a day | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i might not be able to read it until i move closer | 23:00 |
| lcuk | but i know its there at a glance | 23:00 |
| lfelipe | lcuk: but that's my problem, I don't look | 23:00 |
| lfelipe | I mean, I jot down notes and stuff, but I never remember to go and look "hey, do I've anything to do today?" | 23:01 |
| lfelipe | hey, anyone knows who runs planet.maemo ? | 23:01 |
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| timelE61i | um, a fleet of emergency vehicles just went by | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lfelipe, think it's X-Fade | 23:02 |
| timelE61i | LfelipE: bugs.maemo.org | 23:02 |
| lfelipe | I posted about canola's new release yesterday, but it hasn't appeared so far | 23:02 |
| lcuk | timelE61i, hows fosdem goin btw | 23:02 |
| lfelipe | dunno if it's just a natural lag or something | 23:02 |
| lfelipe | bleh, already know why | 23:03 |
| lfelipe | wrong category | 23:03 |
| timelE61i | oK | 23:03 |
| mavhc | first rule of bug hunting: blame yourself | 23:04 |
| lcuk | timelE61i, are you at the meal yet? | 23:04 |
| timelE61i | no | 23:04 |
| lfelipe | mavhc: or blame someone else and then secretly check to see if it's not you :P | 23:04 |
| timelE61i | I'm heading downtown now | 23:05 |
| lcuk | mavhc, thats the last rule once all others have been exhausted | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | Not sure if i'll go to maemo or mozilla | 23:05 |
| lcuk | did anything exciting happen in daytime then? | 23:05 |
| mavhc | I did end up finding a bug in the OS's printed documentation once | 23:05 |
| timelE61i | not much... I spoke to a few people and mostly listened to the moz stuff | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | cool | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | hrm | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | I think i need to kick someone | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | Possibly me | 23:06 |
| lcuk | heh why now | 23:07 |
| timelE61i | I think in my localization if you aren't connected and tap the connectivity icon it shows "(none)" | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | it should probably say (no connection) - ? | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | Opinions? | 23:09 |
| lcuk | lol i think you should have a straw poll at the dinner table tonight :D | 23:10 |
| lcuk | the label should say (stop working and have fun at the fosdem/maemo dinner) :P | 23:10 |
| * qwerty12_N800 likes "not connected", dunno if correct | 23:10 | |
| * lcuk has never clicked the connectivity icon | 23:10 | |
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| timelE61i | I don't like "Not connected" because it could be the name of a wifi network | 23:13 |
| * timelE61i should name one that @work | 23:14 | |
| timelE61i | and yes, i know ()s are fair game too, but... | 23:14 |
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| b-man | hehe, i'm building a webpage on my ftp site :) http://www.bman.maemobox.org/ | 23:17 |
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| * daperl wondering if pidgin is working | 23:43 | |
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| RST38h | Broadband Cut Entirely From Stimulus Bill | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 23:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | daperl, get a real irc client :) | 23:47 |
| mavhc | the internet is full of communists, p2per and open sourcers, never made anyone any money | 23:48 |
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| RST38h | you mean, you can't drill it for oil? | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | mavhc: i'm a combination of those and i make money;) | 23:49 |
| mavhc | pfft, statistical anomoly | 23:49 |
| daperl | qwerty12_N800, i just switched back to my n800, but maybe i'll try pidgin again | 23:50 |
| mavhc | I do find it hilarious seeing the politicians with big printed cards, don't they have a projector and a laptop? | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: You are Dutch. Thus, not being classified as "anyone" | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | i am not dutch! | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 23:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: Remember, for those guys the world ends at the US maritime borders. | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'm danish. :P | 23:51 |
| b-man | lol | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | we don't allow nearly as much weed | 23:51 |
| daperl | you're food | 23:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: See? Americans can't even tell your nationality correctly! | 23:51 |
| b-man | XD | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | daperl, heh, could never get to grips with pidgin but I have a thing for xchat in windows, tablet & in ubuntu :) | 23:52 |
| * RST38h smirks | 23:52 | |
| daperl | qwerty12_N800, i'm happy w/ konversation on my kubuntu machine, thanks for the ubuntu/x-chat tip | 23:53 |
| RST38h | ok, sleep time | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | daperl, hehe, I hate kde too but i won't go into it :D | 23:54 |
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| daperl | which kde? :) i use a 3 and a 4 | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, pronouncing "mer" is fucking horrid | 23:56 |
| lcuk | "meer" "mere" "moar" | 23:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | daperl, Kde 4 mainly :). Kde 3 worked & was a lot more stable for me but it just seems "too much" for me tbh :) | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | What's the meaning of Mer btw? Maemo Extreme Revolution? | 23:57 |
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