| * timeless hopes it's "system storage" | 00:00 | |
| Jucato | internal 2GB "card"? | 00:00 |
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| timeless | i don't think so | 00:00 |
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| Jucato | (on the n810...) | 00:00 |
| timeless | or i hope not | 00:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: is it kind of shell on the back? I should not draw it I guess | 00:00 |
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| RST38h | wazd: only the buttons and the display of course | 00:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think we should go full screen: | 00:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: the original ti85 had 128x64 display. Multiplied by 3 this will be 384x192 | 00:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: since the body is kinda 16:9 it becomes interesting task :) | 00:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: so it will fit the full screen almost exactly | 00:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: no it's not :) | 00:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: screen is 16:10 | 00:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: but I'll make it look familiar :) | 00:03 |
| wazd | so screen should be 384x192? | 00:03 |
| wazd | or 256x128 | 00:03 |
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| * timeless wonders what "Delete selected item(s) from device?" means | 00:04 | |
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| wazd | 384x192 is better | 00:04 |
| wazd | timeless: it's from mediaplayer | 00:04 |
| * timeless changes it to "Delete selected item(s)?" | 00:05 | |
| wazd | timeless: no | 00:05 |
| timeless | no? | 00:05 |
| timeless | is this for remote devices? | 00:05 |
| wazd | timeless: it writes you that when you're deleting something from the playlist | 00:05 |
| timeless | ?#@!$E@$#QQ@ | 00:05 |
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| wazd | timeless: there are two options | 00:05 |
| wazd | timeless: remove from playlist and delete | 00:06 |
| timeless | do i need mp3s in order to test this? | 00:06 |
| wazd | timeless: you need any music file that built in mp plays :) | 00:06 |
| * RST38h is going to move the emulator over to maemo now | 00:07 | |
| * timeless doesn't have any | 00:07 | |
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| timeless | wait, would .wav files work? | 00:07 |
| timeless | (does windows still have .wav files?) | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | did ti85 have a beeper? | 00:09 |
| RST38h | did it click? | 00:10 |
| * Jucato hears in his head, "does it blend?"... | 00:11 | |
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| timeless | wazd: but Delete really does delete, right? | 00:11 |
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| * timeless sighs | 00:15 | |
| timeless | "Media codec is not supported" | 00:15 |
| timeless | i can't believe i'm getting that for standard sounds that come from wXP | 00:15 |
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| timeless | "Delete selected file(s)?" | 00:17 |
| * timeless wonders how someone could w... | 00:18 | |
| timeless | wiat | 00:18 |
| timeless | ok | 00:19 |
| timeless | so... | 00:19 |
| timeless | "from the device" is bad | 00:19 |
| timeless | since it could be an mmc | 00:19 |
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| * timeless is done w/ that stupid string | 00:19 | |
| RST38h | Bill Gates Just Unleashed a Swarm Of Live Mosquitoes On A Room Full of Geniuses | 00:19 |
| RST38h | Umgh | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, wazd, you are re-implementing the ti-85 in software yes? giving it a new lick of paint? why are you trying to force an older (though distinguished) design into it - see what works natively and cleanly by following the lines of the old but giving it a new spin :) | 00:27 |
| * r2d2rogers is watching fennec running slowly on his 770 | 00:29 | |
| doc|home | how do you right click -> download on tear? :/ | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | i thought the g1 used 3d accel? | 00:36 |
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| timeless | "Device is the selected phone. Delete anyway?\n" | 00:42 |
| timeless | "%s" | 00:42 |
| timeless | "Delete preferred phone?\n" | 00:42 |
| timeless | "%s" | 00:42 |
| timeless | would that second string pair make sense? | 00:42 |
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| kkrusty | I cant find flite in maemo extras. :( | 00:44 |
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| * timeless sighs | 01:08 | |
| * timeless kicks personal menu | 01:08 | |
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| kkrusty | okay are there any other speech synthesis applications that are recommended with maemo? | 01:09 |
| kkrusty | I couldnt find flite | 01:09 |
| timeless | where is personal menu? | 01:09 |
| timeless | (as a project) | 01:09 |
| timeless | it doesn't seem to be in garage | 01:09 |
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| b-man | good question :\ | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, it's in Extras. . . . | 01:10 |
| benson | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-menu | 01:11 |
| kkrusty | diablo extras? | 01:12 |
| timeless | gan: i'm going to give it a bugzilla product | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | kkrusty, Chinook | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, you want me to email fiferboy, then? :P | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuite's getting back to me with the descriptions. | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, he gave me a list of components, do you want to add those for now and we can come back to the descriptions later? | 01:15 |
| * kkrusty salutes the general | 01:15 | |
| timeless | sure | 01:15 |
| timeless | /var/lib/bugzilla/data/versioncache did not return a true value at /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl line 316. | 01:15 |
| timeless | did someone break bugs.maemo.org? | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good, got an email back from Richard. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, looks like it. | 01:16 |
| timeless | do you have a number to call, or do i? | 01:16 |
| t_s_o | hmm, swatch internet time. been a while since i heard about that one :P | 01:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I don't have any numbers. ;) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, ha, I bet their disappointed that didn't catch on. | 01:17 |
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| timeless | "Room name changed to: %s" | 01:18 |
| * timeless sighs | 01:19 | |
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| timeless | ok, my computer's on strike | 01:20 |
| timeless | um | 01:21 |
| timeless | anyone here use Chat? | 01:21 |
| timeless | what's the difference between a Topic and a Room Description? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the protocol, maybe? | 01:22 |
| LinuxCode | room description? | 01:23 |
| LinuxCode | that cant be irc | 01:23 |
| LinuxCode | that would be a channel | 01:23 |
| timeless | can you ever have both at the same time (with distinct values)? | 01:23 |
| LinuxCode | i think the one is the channel | 01:23 |
| LinuxCode | i.e. #channel and the topic is the actual topic for that channel | 01:24 |
| LinuxCode | timeless, check out the irc rfc | 01:24 |
| timeless | linuxcode: i've been using irc for >10 years | 01:24 |
| timeless | i haven't used presence for more than a couple of days | 01:24 |
| timeless | and these stupid strings come from Chavo/RTCom, not IRC | 01:25 |
| LinuxCode | fair enough | 01:25 |
| timeless | people are welcome to try to encoutner hello-in-helsinki@conference.jabber.org fwiw | 01:26 |
| * timeless needs to understand how these strings are used | 01:26 | |
| * Proteous needs to understand how to consume more cake | 01:29 | |
| * timeless grumbles | 01:32 | |
| timeless | what does a white > w/ a green square backgroudn mean? :) | 01:33 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: maybe so, maybe so. seems someone made a applet for it now tho | 01:33 |
| genewitch | i think i am going to write my own how-to for this, the ones on the site are really hard to grok | 01:33 |
| t_s_o | i kinda liked the concept btw, tho it may have gotten a bit more attention had it been centered on GMT, not ECT... | 01:33 |
| kkrusty | GeneralAntilles: is there a better speech synthesizer than flite? | 01:33 |
| timeless | ECT? | 01:33 |
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| t_s_o | oops, CET ;) | 01:35 |
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| doc|home | anyone got any idea why I'm getting 'incompatible application package' when trying to install tear? | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in user/* ? | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | just dpkg -i it | 01:42 |
| doc|home | ok | 01:43 |
| genewitch | Also note that "make depend" won't work; while all of the known universe uses -M, the SPARCompiler uses -xM to generate makefile dependencies. | 01:45 |
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| genewitch | when i type ./configure on this source deb's source, it says "cannot run C compiled program; if you meant to cross compile, use '--host'." | 01:48 |
| genewitch | so if i type ./configure --host=arm; it chums happily along | 01:48 |
| genewitch | and if i type ./configure --host=cookies, it says ./config.sub cookies failed. | 01:49 |
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| genewitch | oh, but --host=arm throws a warning "if you are trying to cross compile, this should be detected blahdeblahdeblah | 01:50 |
| genewitch | so at what stage am i doing the right(or wrong) thing, and what should i do differently? | 01:50 |
| genewitch | AKA is the --host the compiling machine, or the recipient machine's arch? | 01:52 |
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| * timeless frowns | 01:54 | |
| timeless | tuto_ti_get_started | 01:54 |
| timeless | anyone here have personal menu installed? | 01:55 |
| timeless | wow, my device said it could last for 7 hours of use | 01:56 |
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| timeless | so, i need someone to talk me through pushing packages ;) | 02:03 |
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| timeless | um, garage didn't like me | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I couldn't say I blame it. :P | 02:07 |
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| timeless | GAN: can i blame you? | 02:08 |
| timeless | dput fails | 02:08 |
| timeless | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) | 02:08 |
| timeless | so, what do i need to do? | 02:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is the last person to troubleshoot upload issues | 02:10 | |
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| fireun | whats power usage for the n8xxx at full load? | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, not much. | 02:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd guess about 1-2 watts under full load | 02:12 |
| fireun | compared to what, in a average laptop? | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | CPU, DSP, both cards churning, wifi, bluetooth, LCD | 02:12 |
| fireun | factor of 100? | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | fireun, depending on the laptop. | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Often more than that. | 02:12 |
| fireun | I see 52w as an average quoted for laptop usage | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The idle consumption is the really impressive number. ;) | 02:13 |
| derf | 52W is insanely high. | 02:13 |
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| genewitch | what pcap filter would i need for the n800? | 02:13 |
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| derf | A 20W-35W range is much more reasonable. | 02:14 |
| benson | But a laptop might vary from 30W to 60 W, while the N8x0 varies from a few mW tyo one or two watts. | 02:14 |
| roope | A standard desktop computer spends 200W easily. | 02:14 |
| roope | Some use 400W. My lcd tv uses 200W when its on. | 02:14 |
| roope | it's. | 02:14 |
| timeless | roope: what are you doing awake at this hour? | 02:14 |
| benson | So the average ratio is even greater than the ratio of peak power figures. | 02:15 |
| roope | I'm sick. My sleeping rhythm is off. | 02:15 |
| timeless | go back to sleep :) | 02:15 |
| timeless | gan: were you the one who gave me some special page to configure my ssh keys for garage? | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, wasn't me. | 02:17 |
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| andre__ | uh. bugzilla down? | 02:19 |
| timeless | yes | 02:20 |
| timeless | welcome back | 02:20 |
| timeless | please fix | 02:20 |
| timeless | i might have broken it, but it's not my fault :) | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:20 |
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| timeless | oh and um. i can't use garage to push packages | 02:21 |
| timeless | and i have a large gob i want to push! | 02:21 |
| andre__ | well. i guess i don't have access to fix :) | 02:21 |
| timeless | really? | 02:21 |
| timeless | gah | 02:21 |
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| andre__ | timeless, ...broken it by what? | 02:23 |
| timeless | i was trying to add a product right before it died | 02:23 |
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| andre__ | timeless, ah, ok. your fault - just go ahead and fix it ;-)) | 02:29 |
| andre__ | no direct access to the machine myself... | 02:31 |
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| * andre__ crossing fingers that marcell and stefano will read their mail tomorrow morning and take a look at bugs.maemo.org :-/ | 02:38 | |
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| timeless | no ssh access? | 02:42 |
| timeless | is there an oncall pagable person? | 02:43 |
| andre__ | nope | 02:43 |
| timeless | i'm perfectly willing to look someone up in phonebook | 02:43 |
| x29a | hmm, i want to stream my n810 camera to the internet, but cant even get gstreamer installed, is the task impossible in maemo? | 02:44 |
| x29a | or is there an easy app called 'streamTheCam' and it just works? | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, gstreamer is bundled. . . . | 02:44 |
| x29a | what does that mean? in the package repo? | 02:45 |
| x29a | i couldnt apt-get it or start it | 02:45 |
| timeless | andre__: so... | 02:47 |
| timeless | how do i push to diablo-extras-devel? :) | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~upload-extras | 02:47 |
| infobot | upload-extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 02:47 |
| timeless | yeah, i read that | 02:47 |
| timeless | it doesn't work | 02:47 |
| timeless | it just says it doesn't like my ssh key | 02:47 |
| andre__ | timeless, i don't think stefano or marcell will be happy at 3AM to get called ;-) | 02:48 |
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| andre__ | i've sent them an email, hope they will fix it soon | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The day Bugzilla died. :P | 02:52 |
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| * timeless tries to remember if localhost runs sshd | 02:53 | |
| x29a | hmmm, GeneralAntilles, i have no clue how to solve this | 02:53 |
| andre__ | as already said: no direct access to the machine myself... | 02:54 |
| * andre__ expects 10 pings tonight | 02:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | x29a, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38676 or http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam | 02:55 |
| timeless | gan? | 02:58 |
| timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=3 | 02:58 |
| timeless | File upload error. You didn't upload a valid .changes file. | 02:58 |
| timeless | oh | 02:59 |
| timeless | that sucks | 02:59 |
| timeless | it should tell me if there's a difference between a binary and a source changes file | 02:59 |
| timeless | ok, there'sa button "move files to autobuilder queue" | 03:00 |
| timeless | do i have to press it? | 03:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know. | 03:00 | |
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| towo | Mhhhm. On a sort of related note, does anybody know whether GPSd exists for S60? | 03:05 |
| * timeless sighs | 03:07 | |
| * timeless forgot to do one thing | 03:07 | |
| timeless | andre__/gan: is it possible to destroy things from the autobuilder? | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "destroy"? | 03:08 |
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| timeless | i don't want the files to be in the repository | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh. For removing stuff you'll have to talk to X-Fade. | 03:10 |
| Lamo | the default browser on maemo is really slow, so i was gonna install webkit but cant find the repos containing it. | 03:10 |
| andre__ | webkit is not a browser. | 03:11 |
| timeless | lamo: what sites do you visit w/ the browser? | 03:11 |
| timeless | and what andre__ said | 03:11 |
| Lamo | google.com | 03:11 |
| Lamo | no but i want to install tear | 03:11 |
| Lamo | need webkit for the engine | 03:11 |
| Lamo | also i hear it makes the defualt browser faster if used for the engine | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | WebKit on Maemo is still very unstable | 03:12 |
| timeless | Google loads very quickly in my n800 | 03:12 |
| Lamo | takes about 30 seconds to load google.com right now | 03:13 |
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| timeless | it took me <<3s to load google.com | 03:13 |
| benson | Lamo: check "Fit width to page" | 03:13 |
| benson | It should be off. | 03:13 |
| benson | When it's on, it simultaneously slows things hideously and mangles them. | 03:13 |
| Lamo | that wasnt checked | 03:15 |
| benson | Lamo: Latest Tear and Bundyo's builds of webkit are at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475 | 03:15 |
| Lamo | thanks | 03:15 |
| benson | What sort of connection you using? | 03:16 |
| Lamo | wifi cable | 03:17 |
| Lamo | really fast | 03:17 |
| benson | I get Google in 20 seconds with a slow EDGE link, and my phone in my pocket, not at the window. | 03:18 |
| Lamo | browser freezes a lot too | 03:18 |
| benson | Ad-block? | 03:18 |
| Lamo | have to kill it in xterm with killall browser | 03:18 |
| Lamo | i do have adblock | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | You broke something. | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, uninstall that. | 03:19 |
| Lamo | yeah probably just got it and been playing around | 03:19 |
| Lamo | might reflash it | 03:19 |
| benson | adblock slows things down; I don't think it was _that_ bad, but it was enough I unsinstalled it long ago. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | CSS/hosts is the way to do ad blocking | 03:19 |
| * timeless grumbles | 03:21 | |
| timeless | gan: remind me to file a bug against extras-assitant | 03:22 |
| timeless | its page titles are not remotely helpful | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:22 |
| timeless | is the diablo build queue global or per user? | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The autobuilder/Extras stuff should be getting a kick in the pants with the new debmaster. | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Global | 03:22 |
| timeless | and how does it sort things? | 03:22 |
| timeless | can you tell me the last thing added to the queue? | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, h-a-m l10n | 03:23 |
| timeless | is there any way to prune or manage the queue? | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that I know of. | 03:24 |
| timeless | is there a queue limit? | 03:25 |
| timeless | because i've tried to put a couple of things in after that | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 03:25 |
| timeless | and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere | 03:25 |
| wazd | guys, is that nice enough? http://i056.radikal.ru/0902/a4/3d797fe48fe9.jpg | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, is this for an emulator? | 03:26 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 03:26 |
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| timeless | wazd: looks like a ti82 | 03:27 |
| wazd | timeless: it's Ti 85 :) | 03:28 |
| wazd | timeless: slightly resized | 03:28 |
| timeless | 85s were black, no? | 03:29 |
| wazd | timeless: yep, so does the picture :) | 03:30 |
| timeless | it looked gray | 03:30 |
| wazd | timeless: pitch black is boring, I prefered some nice gradient :) | 03:30 |
| wazd | http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-85_1.jpg | 03:31 |
| wazd | Ti is sort of gray too :) | 03:31 |
| timeless | indeed, SOLVER was a ti85 feature | 03:31 |
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| timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TI-82.png | 03:31 |
| timeless | i always remembered the 85 as being tru black | 03:32 |
| timeless | whereas the 81 was blue and the 82/83 were gray | 03:32 |
| timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TI-86.jpg | 03:33 |
| timeless | of course, there was also the 86 | 03:33 |
| * timeless hasn't really used these in a long time | 03:33 | |
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| wazd | timeless: well, I have to make background a bit gray to make buttons visible :) | 03:34 |
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| * timeless sighs | 03:36 | |
| wazd | is it better to move white labels up as on Ti 85 itself? | 03:36 |
| x29a | GeneralAntilles: wow, works, thank you, its a bit unhandy with rtp, but works | 03:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, if you want to re-upload, you have to increment the build number. ;) | 03:47 |
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| timeless | gan: i kinda want to destroy the old things | 03:49 |
| timeless | can't someone delete them for me? | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade or MishaS | 03:51 |
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| timeless | oh | 03:56 |
| timeless | so that's why you knew it didn't like me | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, lol, no. That was just me being snarky. ;) | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't notice the real problem until I saw the rejection emails in my builder folder. | 04:15 |
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| timeless | gan: ok, it's 4:25a | 04:24 |
| timeless | food closes at 5a | 04:24 |
| timeless | if things go semi ok | 04:24 |
| timeless | there should be um | 04:25 |
| timeless | 64 .debs | 04:25 |
| timeless | hand pushing 1 deb at a time using the upload 'wizard' is um. lame. | 04:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, are they all in user/* or did you put together a meta-package? | 04:31 |
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| timeless | there's only one user/ | 04:33 |
| timeless | it should be the last thing i pushed | 04:33 |
| timeless | language-support-translations-enus1 | 04:33 |
| timeless | can you imagine trying to hand install 63 packages? :) | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you give it a Maemo-Display-Name? | 04:34 |
| timeless | a what?> | 04:34 |
| timeless | that wasn't in the debian.org docs :) | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_packaging_features_you-re_missing_out_on/ | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html | 04:35 |
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| timeless | XB-Maemo-Display-Name: US English Device translation written by a native speaker | 04:35 |
| timeless | is that too long? :) | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:36 |
| timeless | write one, i'll use it :) | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll ponder on it. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Re-writing the repository.maemo.org page | 04:36 |
| timeless | btw, if you find a simple 26x26 american flag | 04:37 |
| timeless | i'll add that too :) | 04:37 |
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| RockyDd | hi, how to set evince to be the default pdf reader | 05:08 |
| genewitch | has anyone done a successful pcap port? | 05:14 |
| genewitch | because i've already ported kismet, iptraf, and am porting wireshark, but the device needs libpcap0.8 | 05:19 |
| genewitch | trying to compile it leads to needing to know what packet filter to use | 05:19 |
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| RockyDd | in about production, it shows: version(null). what's wrong? | 05:23 |
| RockyDd | I mean in control panel. | 05:24 |
| genewitch | RockyDd: what OS is it running? | 05:25 |
| genewitch | mine doesn't show (null) | 05:25 |
| genewitch | it shows 5.2008.43-7 | 05:25 |
| RockyDd | os2008, it was right before. | 05:25 |
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| RockyDd | I don't know what lead this, I installed many softwares recently | 05:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RockyDd, it's not important. Ignore it. | 05:31 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey | 05:31 |
| RockyDd | I think so, just want to know why | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | RockyDd, the value gets corrupted sometimes. | 05:31 |
| RockyDd | can I fix it? | 05:32 |
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| AFBN810 | Hey whats a good onscreen keyboard for regular linux | 05:33 |
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| benson_ | AFBN810: xkbd, xvkbd, gtkeyboard, probably a bunch others... | 05:40 |
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| FireFox|deviant | AFBN810: onboard virtual keyboard ;) | 05:42 |
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| benson | AFBN810: xkbd, xvkbd, gtkeyboard, probably a bunch others... | 05:43 |
| genewitch | why can't i just have a development environment/tools on the n800? | 05:44 |
| b-man | there is also onboard ;) | 05:44 |
| AFBN810 | onboard is lagging for me | 05:44 |
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| benson | timeless: Still hunting flags? | 05:46 |
| benson | I tossed a couple together. One looks nice and has the right number/configuration of stars, the other has the right proportions... | 05:48 |
| benson | http://www.nd.edu/~bmitche3/images/flags/ | 05:48 |
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| timeless | hunting sleep i think | 05:57 |
| timeless | so um | 06:00 |
| timeless | maemo-mapper hung my apt-get | 06:00 |
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| slonopotamus | morning | 07:45 |
| slonopotamus | all debian init scripts have BEGIN INIT INFO block. tell me please, is it really used for something? | 07:49 |
| Proteous | yeah, it's required for realigning the warp core fields | 07:51 |
| Proteous | to preserver the configuration of the dilithium crystal matrix | 07:51 |
| Proteous | if you didn't do it you would get slowly degrading warp field containment resulting in a core breach and destruction of the device | 07:52 |
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| Proteous | sorry, just watched an episode of star trek | 07:53 |
| Proteous | "The entries in the "INIT INFO" section are comments which are read by insserv and the YaST runlevel editor. They specify what this service should be known as to other init scripts, what other services are required for this one to run, and what runlevels to be active in." | 07:54 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 07:54 |
| slonopotamus | insserv - ? | 07:54 |
| Proteous | sorry, cut and paste from probably a not exacly the same context example | 07:54 |
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| Proteous | replace "insserv" and "YaST" with equivalent values | 07:55 |
| Proteous | that paste was refering to SUSE | 07:55 |
| slonopotamus | why then all tthat crappy 'S12345/K67890' numbers in /etc/rc.d if it _knows_ in what order swrvices should be started? | 07:56 |
| Proteous | here is probably a more accurate page: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts | 07:56 |
| Proteous | if it isn't I take no responsibility for not knowing WTF I am really googling for | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | that doesn't tell a word why everyone puts numbers and services start in alphabetical order | 07:59 |
| Proteous | maybe they just have OCD | 07:59 |
| Proteous | or maybe it makes it easier to read/fine stuff | 08:00 |
| Proteous | or maybe linus will come to thier house and kill them in thier sleep if they don't!!!! | 08:00 |
| * Proteous hides | 08:00 | |
| slonopotamus | oh, i know a simple testcase. is there a parallel rc script launcher? | 08:00 |
| * slonopotamus googles | 08:00 | |
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| slonopotamus | haha | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | no, there isn't | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | all this stuff is just crap | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | debian doesn't build dependency graph and start services in that order | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | no, but it mgight eventuallj | 08:04 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, script sequence is _not_ based on these comment block | 08:05 |
| slonopotamus | s | 08:05 |
| slonopotamus | and this is the ugliest idea - to use comments for something except for comments | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | annotations | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | seen before | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | #!/bin/sh is a comment.. | 08:08 |
| slonopotamus | oh my | 08:13 |
| slonopotamus | dropped stylo on street | 08:13 |
| slonopotamus | and ~200 people walked on it | 08:13 |
| slonopotamus | but i found it back :) | 08:13 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, your nit-bootnemu-compat script says it depends on udev. but it isn't true | 08:19 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nit-boot-basics | 08:20 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, btw. anyone posted bugreport about f*cking fsck bug? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i think itd | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | s fixed in later kernels | 08:27 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, heard about any plans to update diablo kernel? :) | 08:30 |
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| StsN800 | people are welcome to work on it | 08:34 |
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| genewitch | porting is such a huge hassle | 08:38 |
| genewitch | is there a way to have a development environment on my n800 itself? | 08:39 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 08:39 |
| genewitch | so i can just compile in place | 08:39 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 08:39 |
| slonopotamus | not maemo | 08:39 |
| genewitch | i just want to port stuff, but scratchbox has a bunch of issues that are driving me nuts | 08:40 |
| genewitch | it reminds me of trying to get stuff to work on redhat back in 1998 | 08:40 |
| slonopotamus | well, not maemo oficially :) | 08:40 |
| genewitch | where to compile one program, i had to get the source for 14 other things first | 08:40 |
| genewitch | like for instance, dpkg-buildpackage cries about missing roughly 10 libraries that aren't ported yet | 08:42 |
| genewitch | so i started with debhelper, since 5 had been ported, i wanted to port 6 or 7 | 08:43 |
| genewitch | well that needs po4a | 08:43 |
| genewitch | so i go pull down that source | 08:43 |
| genewitch | and that mysteriously fails compilation with no discernible error | 08:44 |
| slonopotamus | genewitch, you can install build-essential from sdk repo to device and compile core utils (that are replaced with busybox) manually to /usr/local. but i give you no warranty if you break something :) | 08:44 |
| genewitch | what's busybox | 08:45 |
| genewitch | i figure if i can get GCC fully functional (including linker) on the device | 08:45 |
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| tank-man | collectoin of some basic tools | 08:45 |
| genewitch | i can do everything else like gnetoo | 08:45 |
| genewitch | gentoo | 08:45 |
| slonopotamus | you can | 08:45 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 08:46 |
| genewitch | busybox is the GUI/xwindow? | 08:46 |
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| genewitch | slonopotamus: well the 5 packages i've tried porting from straight source aren't working. the one i tried pulling down from osso source failed because of missing libraries | 08:46 |
| slonopotamus | busybox is a small thing for embedded devices that provides sh, grep, find, and tons of other system utils | 08:46 |
| genewitch | slonopotamus: actually, prior statement isn't true, i got kismet to compile and transfer to the device | 08:47 |
| genewitch | but libpcap isn't there (even though it's in the scratchbox/sdk repository) | 08:47 |
| StsN800 | genewitch, again a reason mer is good.. want to compile on device? apt-get install build-essential:) | 08:48 |
| genewitch | StsN800: link to page on how to get mer on device | 08:48 |
| genewitch | "Maemo 4.1 source repositories" | 08:50 |
| Corsac | what kernel is mer running on? | 08:50 |
| Corsac | the same has diablo? | 08:50 |
| StsN800 | Corsac, so far yes | 08:53 |
| StsN800 | genewitch, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7 | 08:54 |
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| StsN800 | heh, status bar overflows | 08:56 |
| StsN800 | didnt know that | 08:56 |
| pupnik_ | it would be nice to have a display program that shows/hyperlinks, or allows you to toggle on/off the body of the law in the original and new meaning - for all these laws that are mostly wording substitutes in older laws | 08:58 |
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| genewitch | do i want mer1 or mer3 | 09:01 |
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| StsN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Nokia_N8x0.28W.29_-_installer | 09:02 |
| Corsac | ho, ubuntu jaunty | 09:02 |
| Corsac | mpf | 09:02 |
| genewitch | thanks StsN800 | 09:04 |
| StsN800 | its a world more sane than maemo. and dont get out the OE or Gentoo argument | 09:04 |
| genewitch | i'm gunna give it a shot | 09:04 |
| genewitch | it's doing it's build thing | 09:07 |
| genewitch | or downloading* | 09:07 |
| genewitch | thing | 09:07 |
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| Corsac | StsN800: I'm a debian guy :) | 09:08 |
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| timelE61i | x-fade: ping | 09:14 |
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| genewitch | StsN800: if i install mer to my external 8gb card, will i have that much space for developer tools and applications? | 09:15 |
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| Corsac | on my laptop my / partition takes around 7G | 09:19 |
| Corsac | with a lot of -dev stuff | 09:19 |
| genewitch | yeah but i'm installing mer on the n800 | 09:20 |
| johnx | genewitch, the base Mer install fits comfortably under 512MB on an SD card | 09:20 |
| johnx | you'll have space left :) | 09:20 |
| genewitch | awesome | 09:21 |
| genewitch | you guys need fast mirrors for any of these files? | 09:21 |
| Corsac | genewitch: I would assume that a laptop install would take much more room than an install on a tablet :) | 09:21 |
| genewitch | i notice this stuff is coming from one of sts's servers | 09:21 |
| Corsac | are the new package (wrt. Ubuntu) available independantly? | 09:21 |
| Corsac | I mean, should it be possible to install a standard Debian and then install mer on top of that, or would that be too much of a hassle? | 09:22 |
| johnx | You might need to do some recompiling ... and quite possibly some repackaging | 09:22 |
| Corsac | worth trying | 09:23 |
| Corsac | will wait for my n810 :> | 09:23 |
| johnx | so why debian over ubuntu? | 09:23 |
| Corsac | and a new SD too | 09:23 |
| Corsac | johnx: because I'm a Debian developer, mostly | 09:23 |
| johnx | ah, then Mer will probably make you cry :) | 09:24 |
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| wazd | morning everybody | 09:24 |
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| johnx | morning wazd :D | 09:26 |
| genewitch | johnx: if gcc foo.c -o foo works as intended i shouldn't have a problem developing on the platform | 09:26 |
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| johnx | genewitch, then you're all set. But if amateur .deb packages scare you, you might be best off not looking too close :) (or cleaning as you see fit would be even better :D) | 09:28 |
| genewitch | johnx: i actually prefer to build from source wherever possible, even though it takes forever. .deb is a crutch | 09:29 |
| genewitch | i recently moved to debian (like, last year) from redhat-style | 09:29 |
| genewitch | fedora didn't support my laptop or PC properly, so ubuntu and gentoo made a convert out of me | 09:30 |
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| Corsac | johnx: is there a repository available for the packages? | 09:32 |
| johnx | genewitch, ah, when you said you were a debian developer I assume you meant you were packaging for debian | 09:32 |
| johnx | Corsac, of course :) | 09:32 |
| wazd | johnx: you should have late night or something :) | 09:32 |
| johnx | Corsac, http://repository.mer.tspre.org/ | 09:33 |
| Corsac | johnx: thanks :) | 09:33 |
| timelE61i | on average maemo-nokia gcc's are buggy :) | 09:33 |
| timelE61i | So you're probably asking for too much :) | 09:34 |
| timelE61i | Wazd: gan wants me to have a 26x icon for my en-US translation | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | timelE61i, tried nokia's g++ yet? :) | 09:35 |
| johnx | timelE61i, this is on Mer :) | 09:35 |
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| timelE61i | He suggested you might be able to make one | 09:35 |
| timelE61i | I made a very bad downsampled us flag | 09:35 |
| qwerty12 | timelE61i, I'm waiting for the en_GB version of your locale packages ;) | 09:36 |
| timelE61i | And someone else made a better version | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | mornin' | 09:38 |
| Addison | Heya! | 09:38 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I thought you never sleep :) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i was pretty much absent 11pm-7am :P | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 09:39 |
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| Addison | Yeah, sleep is for retards and small farm animals. :) | 09:39 |
| Addison | A stupid comment like that isn't going to get me banned here will it? *lol* | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 09:40 |
| qwerty12 | No, because it's not personal. | 09:40 |
| * genewitch is a farm animal | 09:41 | |
| johnx | Addison, you forgot "Sleep is for the weak." and "You can sleep when you're dead." | 09:41 |
| * genewitch baaaaas | 09:41 | |
| genewitch | hey cool, mer just booted | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | on n8x0? neat | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | we didn't know it could do that, sorry about that :> | 09:41 |
| genewitch | yup | 09:41 |
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| genewitch | oh sarcasm | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | drippin' sarcasm | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:42 |
| genewitch | well you could have saved me two days of tears :-) | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | be aware that Mer is a work in progress, but i hope you may like the approach to a mobile OS we're doing :P | 09:43 |
| genewitch | i hear it has a compiler | 09:43 |
| genewitch | +1 | 09:43 |
| genewitch | well, setting the rotation just broke it | 09:45 |
| genewitch | note to self: if it looks too cool to be true, it probably is | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | rotation breaks, yeah | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | should probably add that to known issue | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:46 |
| genewitch | fix? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | rotation support in X driver or in kernel fb | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | pop battery | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | if you have a n810 you might be able to log in through console though | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | oh, it is in known issues ;) | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | "*Rotation in advanced-backlight kills the X server" | 09:47 |
| genewitch | yeah i read all that | 09:47 |
| genewitch | i just don't speak english | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | meh, and i'm not a native speaker eithe | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | r | 09:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | morning Jaffa | 09:53 |
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| wazd | hola Jaffa | 09:54 |
| * Jaffa is snowed in :-( | 09:54 | |
| Jaffa | Got about 200m from home before turning back | 09:54 |
| genewitch | where at? | 09:55 |
| genewitch | it's supposed to snow here this weekend | 09:55 |
| genewitch | for 3 whole days! | 09:55 |
| qwerty12 | You haven't seen what we've been getting in London :P | 09:55 |
| wazd | k, I'm done with Ti 85 I think :) | 09:55 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: I work in London, so travelled in on Monday (when people *living* in London didn't) | 09:56 |
| Jaffa | genewitch: Rugby (West Midlands) | 09:56 |
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| * Jaffa could probably get in if he got to the train station. But that's usually a 10 minute drive | 09:56 | |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, hah. Guilty as charged :) | 09:56 |
| genewitch | er... why can't i type a dash | 09:57 |
| johnx | do you have to hold fn for a -? | 09:58 |
| genewitch | what's fn | 09:58 |
| genewitch | i have an 800 | 09:58 |
| genewitch | n800 | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | dash should work fine :P | 09:58 |
| genewitch | normally i push the %$^ meny | 09:58 |
| johnx | different layout :) | 09:58 |
| genewitch | but when i pusht hat it doesn't change the keyboard to the symbols | 09:58 |
| johnx | look next to the 0 | 09:58 |
| genewitch | clever | 09:59 |
| genewitch | this is my new favorite layout. | 09:59 |
| johnx | long story short: Nokia's "input method plugins" are mostly closed source. We're using the "example" plugin | 09:59 |
| genewitch | i was worried i would have to SSH in | 09:59 |
| johnx | yeah...I actually like this layout too :) | 09:59 |
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| qwerty12 | A one touch caps lock is nice :). May grab the example plugin for Diablo :) | 10:00 |
| timelE61i | Wazd: gan wants me to have a 26x icon for my en-US translation - He suggested you might be able to make one. I made a very bad downsampled us flag - And someone else made a better version | 10:00 |
| genewitch | haha SSH rocks | 10:00 |
| johnx | I suppose someone will step in to say they actually liked the addition of that language change pop-up :) | 10:00 |
| genewitch | i'll just use that | 10:00 |
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| genewitch | man, this was worth every penny | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | the n800? of course | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:01 |
| genewitch | just another 2 putty windows on my PC | 10:01 |
| genewitch | that brings me up to 9 open at all times | 10:01 |
| wazd | timelE61i: 26x26? | 10:02 |
| wazd | http://i070.radikal.ru/0902/d7/00629d06d7c0.png <- Ti 85 :) | 10:03 |
| liri | on my n810 I have the following repos enabled: 1. repository.maemo.org/extras (free non-free) 2. repository.maemo.org distribution: diablo/tools (free non-free) - are those all ok? am I missing anything? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, for it being 520mhz, windows mobile is shit slow on a htc advantage | 10:05 |
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| timelE61i | yes | 10:05 |
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| liri | ok | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think Maemo would fly on this baby. | 10:06 |
| johnx | liri, you might want the tableteer repository, but I don't remember what's in it... | 10:06 |
| timelE61i | johnx: can you disable tableteer? | 10:06 |
| johnx | timelE61i, I've seen people without it I believe | 10:06 |
| timelE61i | It has rhapsody, skype and a few others | 10:07 |
| timelE61i | It's browsable, i had to browse it to translate those apps | 10:07 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, i dunno, my N800 seems a lot faster than my Zaurus...might be more about RAM and faster IO than CPU speed though | 10:07 |
| timelE61i | Oh, it has map updates | 10:07 |
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| Addison4 | Hey genewitch! Care to help me problem solve an issue I have using Telnet on the Tablet? | 10:08 |
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| timelE61i | Oh, there's the nokia camera | 10:09 |
| timelE61i | it also has media streamer - isn't that dead? :) | 10:10 |
| timelE61i | And video center | 10:11 |
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| Mousey | you can telnet to the camera? | 10:11 |
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| Addison4 | Anyone here that understands character encoding using Xterm? *crosses fingers* | 10:12 |
| * timelE61i thinks it's more of a file than a port | 10:12 | |
| timelE61i | addison: welcome to hell | 10:12 |
| Mousey | the only thing i understand about character encoding using the xterm is /usr/share/X11/xgb/symbols/rx-44 | 10:12 |
| Mousey | or something to that effect | 10:12 |
| Mousey | the only thing i understand about character encoding using the xterm is /usr/share/X11/xgb/nokia_vdr/symbols/rx-44 | 10:13 |
| johnx | Mousey, maybe this camera: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F13%2F1757209&from=rss | 10:13 |
| Mousey | or something to that effect | 10:13 |
| Addison4 | Even though I'm in hell, I try to imagine a life that doesn't resemble it. :) | 10:13 |
| Mousey | johnx: nice | 10:13 |
| timelE61i | addison: is the remote using utf8? | 10:14 |
| genewitch | Addison4: i'm using SSH, not telnet, if that matters | 10:14 |
| Addison4 | I'm really hoping to hear from someone in response to this thread... | 10:14 |
| Addison4 | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637 | 10:14 |
| Addison4 | Sorry for the post being long winded... I never know how much or how little to say when posting a request. | 10:15 |
| genewitch | i can't help; sorry :-( | 10:17 |
| Addison4 | Ah nuts! | 10:17 |
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| Addison | Crap. My internet connection enjoys taking a big, meaty dump on me every 15 minutes. | 10:19 |
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| Addison | Did anyone post a response while I was disconnected? | 10:20 |
| genewitch | nope | 10:20 |
| Addison | Then depression sets in..... :) | 10:21 |
| Addison | Well, I need to find myself someone who knows whatever the hell I'm talking about. Any suggestions for a person that I can abuse on this? | 10:22 |
| * Stskeeps watches his buildbox move to a new partition | 10:23 | |
| Addison | Okay, pop quiz. Who here can compile? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | compile? what's that? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
| Addison | Ah, the dim flicker of recognition because they all know what's going to be the next question. :) | 10:25 |
| genewitch | compile. that's what i tell my boss i am doing when i play WOW at work | 10:25 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: all the stuff i wanted to port already has been ported to armel | 10:27 |
| genewitch | :-) | 10:27 |
| Addison | I wish I had a job where a computer did all the work and I got all the credit for it while playing Wow. | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: yes, it's wonderful isn't it? | 10:27 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: so are you guys trying to port to diablo from mer or what? | 10:27 |
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| genewitch | Or rather, why can't i install these files on maemo? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: it's more complicated than that.. mer stems from some thoughts on reconstructing maemo to bring it more in alignment with mainstream linux | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact developers are spending more time compiling various libraries and dealing with scratchbox oddities, than actually hildonizing apps | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact it is not trivial to take maemo platform and use it anywhere else than nokia tablets | 10:29 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i see. so i can take straight src.deb from <ubuntu>, and compile it on mer and if it works, just report it somewhere? | 10:29 |
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| Jaffa | genewitch: or just apt-get install it from Ubuntu ;-) | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | basically, but it's most likely that it is there already. most of ubuntu is ported to armel | 10:30 |
| genewitch | how much of the ubuntu repository has been ported? | 10:30 |
| genewitch | son of a... | 10:30 |
| genewitch | well, good work. | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | thank the ubuntu-arm people | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | we just build on top of their work | 10:30 |
| * Jaffa should find time to look at auto-Hildonising LD_PRELOAD again. I think it's doable, but haven't done a PoC yet | 10:30 | |
| genewitch | the strong arm of ubuntu? | 10:30 |
| genewitch | long arm? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | waving arm of ubuntu, maybe.. | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:30 |
| Jaffa | The StrongARM of Ubuntu, would be appropriate | 10:30 |
| Addison | If I can't get a gentlemen to help me on this, could someone point me in a direction or two to help me? | 10:31 |
| Addison | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26637 | 10:31 |
| Addison | I mean, can I ask someone with linux knowledge or do they actually have to own a Tablet to understand what needs to be done? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: i'm honestly not sure what konwert is :P | 10:32 |
| Addison | It's just a filter when using Telnet. | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | Addison: indeed, Stskeeps has hit the issue on the head; isn't your best bet to go upstream? | 10:33 |
| Addison | It makes everything look like you're using a PC. | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: you might want to point people to wtf konwert is, or poke them to add a change | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | Addison: you say "just" a filter - but the whole request revolves around modifying konwert, so perhaps explaining that is better? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: sidenote.. i can now dump all values FTD can grab from BME | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | by communicating with bme directly | 10:34 |
| Addison | Jott was kind enough one day to hand it off to me. I really have no idea where it came from or what it really does. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | i just dont know what they mean :> | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: shiny - are they directly usable, or are they uncalibrated, semi-meaningless numbers? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: well, i was able to get 298 Kelvin out of it. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: sounds about right | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's "just" a matter of deciphering which value is which in the structure | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | Ah, "just" | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, when you have ftd as reference, it's easier | 10:35 |
| Addison | Konwert takes UTF-8 and allows you to change it to another coding such as cp437, which is another way of saying IBM extended graphics. | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: but it's mostly about identifying which is 32-bit values and which is 16-bit values | 10:36 |
| Addison | Damn I hate being dumb. Any chance someone can sit down and talk to be about being this way? :) | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | No. | 10:37 |
| Addison | All I need is free counseling. | 10:37 |
| Addison | :) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | i can do it for ~30 eur an hour | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| Addison | Is that a negative sign? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | approx | 10:38 |
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| Addison | I was hoping it was a negative sign. | 10:38 |
| Addison | *lol* | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | OK, addison: does /usr/share/konwert/filters/cp737-UTF8 | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | exist on your tablet? | 10:38 |
| SaBer | I'm having problems with special charatcters on scratchbox/xephyr with a Qt application I wrote... | 10:39 |
| SaBer | I tried setting LC_ALL from C to en_US.UTF-8, but it didn't help | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: or is there any files in /usr/share/konwert/filters/ | 10:40 |
| SaBer | hummm... never mind, I'm having the same problem running the application on my regular desktop also... | 10:41 |
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| genewitch | on mer, what repository do i add to the application manager to get full list of applications? | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: you have to enable red pill.. se | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | c | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ~redpill | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ~red-pill | 10:43 |
| infobot | red-pill is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode | 10:44 |
| wazd | ~burn himself | 10:44 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 10:44 | |
| wazd | hahaha) | 10:44 |
| wazd | >:D | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | and then tools->settings show all packages | 10:44 |
| Addison | Sorry, I just stepped out for a moment. Here's my original post. | 10:46 |
| Addison | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25909 | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: do what i said above :P | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | it seems pretty simple to correct the filter yourself | 10:46 |
| Addison | Okay. Let me go grab my Tab and see. | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd, thanks for the image | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 10:49 |
| Addison | Say again what you need me to do, Stskeeps. | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: does /usr/share/konwert/filters/cp737-UTF8 | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | exist on your tablet? | 10:50 |
| Addison | Okay, looking right now... | 10:50 |
| Addison | Yes! | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | good, go edit the file matching your filter in /usr/share/konwert/filters/ then :P | 10:52 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, morning | 10:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: hey, I've sent you minor update) | 10:53 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Situation over now? | 10:53 |
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| andre__ | not yet here. does it work for you to access any bug report? | 10:54 |
| andre__ | like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4060 ? | 10:54 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Hmm weird.. | 10:54 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Plenty of space on the device now. | 10:54 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Maybe some cache got corrupted? | 10:54 |
| andre__ | might be... but still i don't have access to that machine :-/ | 10:55 |
| X-Fade | andre__: 0 -rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 0 Feb 5 01:15 versioncache | 10:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: can't wait to see it working :) | 10:55 |
| andre__ | hhmm | 10:55 |
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| X-Fade | same for mail and nomail | 10:55 |
| Addison3 | Sorry, my internet squibbed on me again. | 10:56 |
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| Addison3 | Looking at that file... This is what I'm seeing. | 10:56 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl:316 would be interersting too | 10:56 |
| Addison3 | #!/bin/bash - | 10:56 |
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| Addison3 | F=${0##*/} | 10:56 |
| Addison3 | trs -f "${0%/*}/../aux/charsets/${F%-*}" -e '\200\-\377 ï¿0153' | 10:56 |
| X-Fade | andre__: No, it tries to read a 0 bytes database? | 10:56 |
| Addison3 | And that's it. | 10:57 |
| X-Fade | andre__: require "$datadir/versioncache"; | 10:57 |
| andre__ | ok, got it' | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: well then, - just edit the filter to match your needs :P | 10:57 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, ah. works now. for you too? | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | andre__: I moved it away and things start working again. | 10:58 |
| andre__ | yeah, expected something like that :-D | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | andre__: 96 -rw-rw---- 1 www-data www-data 91725 Feb 5 10:58 versioncache | 10:58 |
| andre__ | ah. lovely. now let's see when this happens again :-P | 10:58 |
| genewitch | hehe red pill | 10:58 |
| genewitch | that's cool | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: did your tablet HAM explode? i would if i had to show all packages :P | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | (it will lock up for a fair bit while it loads) | 10:59 |
| Addison3 | I wanted cp437 Stskeeps, why did you have me look at cp737? | 10:59 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, thanks. and enjoy skiing (iirc) | 10:59 |
| genewitch | HAM? | 10:59 |
| genewitch | yeah it's dragging ass | 10:59 |
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| genewitch | There were only like 9 applications in my manager, though | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Not yet. This weekend. | 10:59 |
| genewitch | i figured "firefox" or somethign would have been one of them | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: needed to check it existed | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Addison: your cp437 filter will be there too | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: yeah, not so many apps just yet | 11:00 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: but if i apt-get install firefox (for instance) i can still use it, but it's just not in the package manager? | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | genewitch: correct, but it may not appear right away in the menu, i think.. may need to update-catalogue or something | 11:01 |
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| timelE61i | x-fade? | 11:17 |
| timelE61i | Can you kill some files in extras-devel? | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: Yeah, I responded to you PM ;) | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | *your | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | What files do you need killed? | 11:18 |
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| timelE61i | um, that part i'm not sure of :( | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Well then the answer is simple.. | 11:18 |
| timelE61i | Any sources where the .po file contains "#" :? | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Yes, I can. | 11:18 |
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| timelE61i | It should be only the first couple of things i pushed | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: One other thing, please don't upload files as root.. | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | It would be nice to see who uploaded what ;) | 11:21 |
| timelE61i | root? | 11:22 |
| timelE61i | I used the stupid web tool | 11:22 |
| timelE61i | I couldn't get dput / scp / ssh to work | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Hmm weird, it should have changed the owner of the files.. | 11:23 |
| timelE61i | can you grab the sources and figure out which have bd pos and kill them? | 11:24 |
| timelE61i | I don't have anything here | 11:24 |
| timelE61i | Heck, my mac seems to have a different server for r.m.o so i can't even browse | 11:25 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: Use stage? | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | http://stage.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 11:26 |
| * timelE61i fixed /etc/hosts | 11:27 | |
| timelE61i | is there any fast way to do this? | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I'm thinking of how to do that fast :) | 11:29 |
| timelE61i | Where's that mail archive? | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: msgstr "Installing PKCS#12 certificate may take several minutes" | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | Is that # bad? | 11:32 |
| timelE61i | no, regexp '^#' | 11:32 |
| timelE61i | That # is ok | 11:33 |
| timelE61i | It's only lines that start w/ # that are bad | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: why would you want to remove the headers from the pos? | 11:33 |
| timelE61i | Don't ask | 11:33 |
| timelE61i | yeah, where's that mail list? | 11:34 |
| timelE61i | The last step has a link | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-February/thread.html ? | 11:35 |
| timelE61i | But it should be reachable from step 0 | 11:35 |
| timelE61i | Yeah | 11:35 |
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| timelE61i | x-fade: work in order based on cauldron | 11:37 |
| timelE61i | E.g. Gtk20 has #s | 11:37 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, in order works | 11:38 |
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| timelE61i | Things in that list will all be bad until they stop | 11:38 |
| timelE61i | aNyway thanks for killings | 11:41 |
| timelE61i | Sorry :( | 11:41 |
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| * timelE61i wonders if bugs is working | 11:41 | |
| wazd | timelE61i: I've found some nice round flag icons | 11:42 |
| wazd | http://trendsmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/flags32.png | 11:42 |
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| timelE61i | you think it'd be ok in 26x? | 11:46 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: gtk20-l10n-enus1 hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-common-strings-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-fm-l10n-enus1-0.1 hildon-status-bar-usb-l10n-enus1-0.1 | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: Do you want me to wipe those? | 11:52 |
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| wazd | timelE61i: it's 1px larger :) | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: ping | 12:15 |
| timelyx | sorry | 12:16 |
| timelyx | portable irc client is broken | 12:16 |
| timelyx | yeah wipe em | 12:16 |
| timelyx | i have fixed files on my laptop | 12:17 |
| timelyx | so once they're dead on whatever, i can repush | 12:17 |
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| X-Fade | timelyx: Done. | 12:19 |
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| aquatix | hey guys | 12:37 |
| aquatix | little question: what exactly is full when apps say "can't bind to /var/tmp/claws-mail-29999: no space left on device" and the rss reader notes that the device storage memory is full | 12:37 |
| aquatix | df -h says i have 3.3MB free on / | 12:38 |
| aquatix | so i'm a bit puzzled | 12:38 |
| timelyx | root is allowed to use a bit more space | 12:38 |
| timelyx | than normal users | 12:38 |
| aquatix | ok, so technically / *is* full? | 12:38 |
| aquatix | for the user, that is | 12:39 |
| timelyx | sounds about right | 12:39 |
| aquatix | meh | 12:39 |
| aquatix | now what to delete :) | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | >I would suggest a face-to-face meeting in Ruoholahti on Monday | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | >9.2 at 14:00 to discuss these issues, the whole project team | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | >should probably be present. Let's confirm this tomorrow when | 12:39 |
| timelyx | syslog :) | 12:39 |
| timelyx | mine averages 50mb | 12:39 |
| aquatix | ick | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | c | 12:39 |
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| aquatix | timelyx: hm, i only have a small fontconfig.log in /var/log | 12:40 |
| timelyx | Myrtti: ooh, can i come/ | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | timelyx: nope | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | moving on... | 12:41 |
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| Myrtti | seems I'm not going either | 12:42 |
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| Myrtti | who was the fellow who was thinking of that knitting program again? | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | rm_you, right? | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | no? | 12:43 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 12:43 |
| Corsac | my n810 has arrived | 12:44 |
| aquatix | Corsac: \o/ | 12:44 |
| aquatix | right on time :) | 12:44 |
| Corsac | yep | 12:47 |
| Corsac | 24h to go, really nice | 12:47 |
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| Corsac | ok now it's an uk version, so i have uk maps :) | 12:48 |
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| Corsac | no france, no belgium | 12:48 |
| Myrtti | "n800 should be enough for anyone..." | 12:48 |
| Corsac | and no net connectivity atm | 12:48 |
| aquatix | Corsac: i had US maps | 12:48 |
| aquatix | Corsac: you can change that real easy though | 12:49 |
| aquatix | over the air downloading++ | 12:49 |
| * Stskeeps tries experimenting with putting mer packages on top of debian-armel. | 12:49 | |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I've not been following stuff that well, but is it possible already to run Mer in 770? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: yes, but we're working on WiFi still | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | so no wifi? | 12:50 |
| Corsac | aquatix: yeah but I don't have over the air connectivity atm | 12:50 |
| aquatix | hm | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: more like no WPA, but it's work in progress | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | ok. | 12:50 |
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| Myrtti | so no Mer for me yet | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | my router/AP does only wpa2 | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: we hope to support 770 just as well as n800 so :P | 12:50 |
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| timelE61i | x-fade: any idea why i can't dput? | 12:51 |
| timelE61i | Also, can you improve the wizard? | 12:51 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I just bought a used n800 from a jaikuist :-D | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: hehe :) | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: Probably because your ssh key isn't set correctly? | 12:51 |
| * aquatix downloads skype-3.0.0.93 | 12:51 | |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: You were a local user on garage before, so a bit of a special case? | 12:51 |
| Myrtti | though I'm getting it only in March when I'm (hopefully) going to UK again | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: updated on tablet? | 12:51 |
| timelE61i | It'd be nice if steps had unique title tags based on which things were entered in ther previous page | 12:51 |
| timelE61i | X-fade: true | 12:52 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: http://share.skype.com/sites/garage/2009/01/skype_for_mids_beta.html | 12:52 |
| aquatix | it's a bz2 | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:52 |
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| aquatix | oh wait | 12:53 |
| aquatix | duh | 12:53 |
| aquatix | that's not going to work on my NIT | 12:53 |
| * aquatix needs more coffee | 12:53 | |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: You have quite a lot of keys ;) | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: When did you try to dput? So I can check the logs? | 12:54 |
| timelE61i | people always admire them | 12:54 |
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| timelE61i | WIn an hour (before) i udrf the web thing | 12:55 |
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| andre__ | sth seems to be utterly wrong today. received lots of internal bugmail i've never triggered. sigh | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | i was just going to say it's monday but it's actually thursday. | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| timelE61i | Iirc there's a maint window | 12:56 |
| andre__ | it starts feeling like a monday :-P | 12:57 |
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| X-Fade | timelE61i: Hmm your local account gone from passwd? | 12:57 |
| timelE61i | Dunno :) | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: Great opportunity to test the new invitation/contrib form which Ferenc fixed for you :) | 12:58 |
| aquatix | hm, the localepurge on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24564 needs pcregrep and color-ls; the former has a package, but i can't find the latter | 13:01 |
| aquatix | ah, there's a deb in that thread | 13:02 |
| timelE61i | ... | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: crazy question, what license is the enu stuff? | 13:07 |
| timeless | mine? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:07 |
| timeless | it's supposed to be public domain | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:07 |
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| timeless | if there's a more proper way to make it so, lemme know | 13:07 |
| timeless | how do i get to this invitiation thing? | 13:07 |
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| timeless | it doens't seem reachable from profile/* | 13:08 |
| aquatix | localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 41410K \o/ | 13:08 |
| timeless | nice win | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/my/contrib.php | 13:08 |
| * aquatix hugs qwerty12 for packaging | 13:08 | |
| lcuk | shame its removed english and american and left him with swahili | 13:08 |
| aquatix | timeless: indeed is | 13:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ;) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | these purges are annoying though - i had to type really fast to get round an install that expected docs to exist for a postinst | 13:09 |
| aquatix | hm | 13:10 |
| aquatix | generally works fine on my desktop and laptop machines though | 13:10 |
| lcuk | copy files, run postinst script (it had installed but failed cos of the purge), curse cos they were removed, recopy try again wooot | 13:10 |
| timeless | x-fade: why did my comments get stripped from the ssh keys? | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I have no idea, I think it is because there is a clean up step. People seem to paste from all kinds of broken editors etc.. | 13:11 |
| timeless | the keys in the list seem to match the stuff on swift | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Which then caused havoc.. | 13:11 |
| timeless | and swift lets me in | 13:11 |
| timeless | heh | 13:11 |
| timeless | ok, so do you want me to 'submit'? | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, try if it works now ;) | 13:12 |
| timeless | i should be able to ssh garage.maemo.org ? | 13:13 |
| timeless | (at least to get a different error) | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | timeless: No, the account is unpriviledged now :) | 13:13 |
| timeless | andre__: for kicks, check to see who asked for the es-MX thing | 13:13 |
| timeless | it might actually have been me :) | 13:14 |
| timeless | (although i certainly didn't ask them to fix the *wrong* string) | 13:14 |
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| timeless | ok, it didn't seem to give me an error | 13:15 |
| timeless | so does that mean it worked? | 13:15 |
| timeless | ok, dput died | 13:18 |
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| timeless | um | 13:23 |
| timeless | Dear timeless, | 13:23 |
| timeless | You have been selected to become a maintainer of the maemo extras repository. Please check your invitation at this page: https://garage.maemo.org/my | 13:23 |
| timeless | could someone please explain what that means? | 13:23 |
| timeless | and where's this invitation? | 13:24 |
| timeless | could someone also explain: | 13:24 |
| timeless | Priority Colors: | 13:24 |
| timeless | 12345 | 13:24 |
| timeless | -- in solid black | 13:24 |
| timeless | -- on white background | 13:24 |
| timeless | oh, that was the invite | 13:25 |
| timeless | Dear timeless, | 13:25 |
| timeless | You are now entitled to upload packages to maemo.org Extras repository. | 13:25 |
| timeless | See the Wiki page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 13:25 |
| timeless | for detailed instructions. | 13:25 |
| timeless | Hope you will enjoy contributing to Maemo! | 13:25 |
| timeless | -- | 13:25 |
| timeless | 'Hope...' where's the subject? | 13:26 |
| timeless | [We] missing | 13:26 |
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| timeless | oh right | 13:27 |
| timeless | where's the stupid queue? | 13:27 |
| timeless | so, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ claims the queue is empty | 13:27 |
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| timeless | aww, i missed bug 100,000 | 13:29 |
| aquatix | :( | 13:37 |
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| Corsac | mpf, not having wifi connection sucks :) | 13:49 |
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| aquatix | Corsac: no wifi AP available? | 13:50 |
| Corsac | I'm at work | 13:50 |
| Corsac | restricted area, stuff like that :) | 13:50 |
| aquatix | meh :( | 13:51 |
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| terbo | hola | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 13:57 |
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| terbo | i dont have a maemo device :( | 14:00 |
| Corsac | buy one?? | 14:00 |
| Corsac | -? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | terbo: grab a Mer VMDK and try it on x86 ;) | 14:00 |
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| mtron_x86 | anyone knows where mplayers hardware key mappings are? | 14:03 |
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| terbo | no I'm still just crying about the fact. | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | terbo: n810s are dead cheap these days though | 14:06 |
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| mtron_x86 | found it .. input/input.c ;) | 14:08 |
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| * lcuk wishes there were more hours in the day | 14:11 | |
| lcuk | hmmm cloning may be a viable alternative | 14:11 |
| aquatix | until you find your clone in bed with your girlfriend | 14:13 |
| florian | lcuk: I tried forking... but it takes quite some time. :-} | 14:14 |
| aquatix | florian: :) | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | and exec() is just painful | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:14 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:14 |
| lcuk | florian, forking yourself must take a very flexible spine. | 14:15 |
| florian | lcuk: I had some help ;) | 14:15 |
| lcuk | florian, if you were cloned, would your double have a goatee? in films its normally the evil one that has one, but in your case i think the universe would implode | 14:16 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:17 |
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| aquatix | my evil one wouldn't have one then | 14:17 |
| aquatix | or there would happen something similar to the universe as with florian ;) | 14:18 |
| florian | :-) | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | i still need to work out how i can do everything i need to do0 in a reasonable timeframe | 14:20 |
| aquatix | lcuk: skip sleep for some weeks? | 14:21 |
| * aquatix has not-enough-time issues too | 14:21 | |
| aquatix | i'll start with closing this irc window | 14:21 |
| aquatix | cheers all and hf | 14:21 |
| lcuk | tried that aquatix, it is made worse by not having weekends | 14:21 |
| lcuk | lol cya later | 14:22 |
| aquatix | heh, true | 14:22 |
| aquatix | cya | 14:22 |
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| * lcuk has a depressing afternoon | 14:29 | |
| lcuk | back later | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | cya dude | 14:31 |
| aquatix | cya | 14:31 |
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| timeless | x-fade: ping | 14:35 |
| timeless | dput almost worked | 14:35 |
| timeless | except it failed | 14:35 |
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| timeless | scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/hildon-application-manager-l10n-enus1_0.1_source.changes: Permission denied | 14:36 |
| timeless | (the same error for all of my packages) | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Let me clean up those files. | 14:36 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | they are left over from when your account was gone ;) | 14:36 |
| timeless | btw, the extras dput thing should really suggest [DEFAULT]\ndefault_host_main = diablo-extras-devel | 14:37 |
| timeless | i spenta lot of time trying to push to ubuntu :( | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Happy to review an update wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | timeless: It is a wiki ;) | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I have removed the .changes files. | 14:38 |
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| timeless | ok, it seems that things didn't fail this time | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | Yep | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | Lunch! | 14:40 |
| Corsac | hmhm, on os2008 is there a way to have more detailed battery info? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | lshal? :P | 14:40 |
| timeless | corsac: there's an alternative battery meter | 14:40 |
| Corsac | the tray icon only says the estimated time remaining | 14:40 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:41 | |
| Corsac | timeless: hmh ok | 14:41 |
| Corsac | will check that when I have connectivity | 14:41 |
| timeless | x-fade: ok, poked a chagne | 14:43 |
| timeless | no clueif it actually works | 14:43 |
| timeless | but it seems a lot saner than what you had | 14:44 |
| timeless | i'll be back in an hour or two | 14:44 |
| Corsac | hmhm, another question, is there a way to sync' contacts and calendars, by default? | 14:44 |
| Corsac | hmhm, will look for a “getting started” page instead of pissing people off with 2 years old questions :) | 14:45 |
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| * timelE61i just tried to walk through one of those bars that blocks car entry/egress to/from parking garages | 14:48 | |
| Corsac | isn't that a terrible idea? | 14:48 |
| timelE61i | nm | 14:49 |
| timelE61i | Yha | 14:49 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 14:51 | |
| Stskeeps | moo | 14:51 |
| Myrtti | bää | 14:52 |
| * Stskeeps wonders of what funny things you can do with an armv4t mer (debian armel based though) | 14:53 | |
| suihkulokki | install it on a openmoko =) | 14:53 |
| * timelE61i meeps twice | 14:53 | |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: for example, yes | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | maemphone | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | going to see how much of it builds on top of debian-armel without issue | 14:55 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol had xchat minimized and didn't know couldn't figure out why it said I was already logged in | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:08 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I can't beleave I got banned from an Online game today | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: btw, you have a cat or a kid? | 15:12 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah a cat was she on here again last night? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 15:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | I thought I turned my computer off last night I know she was one there yesterday | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | how's mer treating you btw? | 15:15 |
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| AndrewFBlack | its going good althought since yesterday I've only been running Lxde on it | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey someone go http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html and see if that first photo has a town called Cowarts and Webb on it | 15:17 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I want to see if they are just showing am image custom for every user or if that is really my little town on there lol | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: No they are showing my town. | 15:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, lol I was like WTF no way | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | AndrewFBlack: Although the people on the page seem to be fake. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. one is out in the water, obviously drowned | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | Well, ish. Their geolocation by IP is putting me in Leeds, which is about 100 miles away :) | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | Yeahm just GeoIP probably.. | 15:19 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I am still using alot of Mer stuff with Lxde ony problem i have to over come to make lxde run real well is fix something up for numbers | 15:19 |
| AndrewFBlack | X-Fade, What you don't know fred? | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Andrew: I see some list of m@#$f#$kers | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Which one of them is which? | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Maps show NYC and Menlo Park | 15:20 |
| tank-man | AndrewFBlack, yea i see my city | 15:21 |
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| AndrewFBlack | tank-man, yeah they are just drawning a map of out city what messed me up is this map is really about 25 Miles east of me but I then rememered that is where my Cable companyis based out of so that might be way | 15:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | why | 15:22 |
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| tank-man | i just thought they were reading the rfid chip in my neck :) | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | all IPs should be geolocatable, that'd put a stop to trolling on the internet ;) | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | down to the coordinate of the keyboard | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:23 |
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| AndrewFBlack | You guys think we will ever see things like Coming to Nokia Internet Tablet Soon, I'm tired of just seeing Coming to Iphone soon | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: We will not. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | maybe 'coming to Maemo' :P | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Half the US geek population is masturbating at iPhone | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: "Coming to [iP]hone soon"? | 15:27 |
| RST38h | When was the last time you have seen anyone doing this at any of the Nokia products? (outside of topical forums of course) | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | Are these adverts or something? | 15:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | I almost gave in and got one last week but since I already have a Att account they told me I could not get the Discount Price in fast I have to wait til December to even get the $500 price, so I told them where to put it lol | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not only should they be geolocatable, but ICANN should get its own stash of ballistic missiles. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Andrew: it's shiny! | 15:28 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I've been looking over the SVN for the Doom theme I just took over when Seba left the community and can you beleave that he had the entire theme for OS2007 done he just never released it | 15:29 |
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| AndrewFBlack | hey if you try and install something and it fails and trys again everytime you install something else how do you clear that? | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | dpkg --remove probably | 15:38 |
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| wazd | cumming to iphone | 15:42 |
| AndrewFBlack | wazd, lol | 15:42 |
| * Myrtti needs brainsoap | 15:42 | |
| wazd | I wonder why there's still no word, excel and pp processor on aifone since many companies were raging to do it for long time | 15:44 |
| Myrtti | let me get my magic 8 ball | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: there was a magic forum thread somewhere saying that the success of a smartphone device is correlated with the possibility of viewing porn on it.. | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | if someone did, let's say, myMegaPorn (like myTube) for tablet.. | 15:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, that's why they had to add flash on it :) | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | bam, success | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
| lcuk | wazd, your ti-8x layout is very impressive :) | 15:47 |
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| wazd | lcuk: thx :) | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: tactile feedback hardware will do wonders for iPhone sales then | 15:47 |
| lcuk | could you make me a layout which disguises the fact im not actually in work? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i was talking about AO stuff the other day | 15:48 |
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| wazd | lcuk: a layout for what?) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, it would | 15:50 |
| wazd | Pitty I can't add slight glare to the Ti85 screen cause it will look shitty, thanks to n800/810 low color depth screen :( | 15:50 |
| wazd | Pity* | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: besides, screen contents will be overwritten anyway =) | 15:51 |
| roope | Multitouch and porn. | 15:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: But you can write "Almost" at the right-top bezel corner | 15:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, tahts the positive moment) | 15:52 |
| RST38h | using same font as Ti85 :) | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Besides, there is additional itrony in running TI hardware emulation on TI hardware =) | 15:52 |
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| wazd | RST38h: :) | 15:54 |
| lcuk | wazd, i need you to make a clone of me | 15:56 |
| lcuk | roope BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH! | 15:57 |
| * timelE61i wonders if the builder worked | 15:57 | |
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| wazd | lcuk: ah, that's easy :) | 16:03 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s42.radikal.ru/i098/0902/9a/a6ac98e7a375.png | 16:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: I would move Almost to the left corner | 16:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah | 16:07 |
| roope | ti <85 | 16:07 |
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| roope | I remember that calculator, it served very nicely. | 16:08 |
| * RST38h just had to write an image rotation routine for this thing | 16:08 | |
| roope | I even played this two-player game with the network cable. | 16:08 |
| Myrtti | I had that as well. | 16:09 |
| RST38h | well if I get some free time tonight you will have it again... in a sense. | 16:10 |
| lcuk | roope, does nokia have a cloning facility - i need more fingers so they can catch up with my brain | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: genetic modification and stem cells for extra fingers, maybe | 16:10 |
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| lcuk | might work, but every time i get into cloning i end up with Kelly LeBrock and have to start all over again | 16:11 |
| * RST38h googled and found it nsfw | 16:12 | |
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| lcuk | really? | 16:13 |
| RST38h | well, at least judging by the google results | 16:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0902/60/449755001138.png | 16:14 |
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| lcuk | swimsuits are fine at my work. its almost compulsory uniform | 16:14 |
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| lcuk | i best get back to tax calculations anyway | 16:15 |
| RST38h | SEGA releasing a digital TV | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Hm | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: "Almost" is sufficient =) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | But it is probably worth taking a vote on that | 16:17 |
| RST38h | So, "Almost Real TI85" or "Almost TI85"? Anybody? | 16:17 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, Almost real mimics two words n "texas instruments" :) | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ah | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Makes sense | 16:24 |
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| timeless | x-fade: sorry, one more that needs to be whacked | 16:29 |
| timeless | osso-applet-accounts-l10n-enus1 | 16:29 |
| dexterk | today I found out ubuntu jaunty. is cool.. lol | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | dexterk: running it or running mer? | 16:32 |
| dexterk | I installed mer yesterday | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:32 |
| dexterk | but mer has few software | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes! | 16:33 |
| RST38h | (like Windows CE has not been enough!) | 16:33 |
| dexterk | and I dont know what source. can be added, I need libx11-dev, but there isnt | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | dexterk: It's got Ubuntu Jaunty underneath, so it should just be an apt-get away (Stskeeps: or does the default sources.list only include the mer repo?) | 16:34 |
| dexterk | you mean I can use jaunty source under Mer? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: no, it's just the impression people get when they see HAM | 16:34 |
| AndrewFBlack | need to do red pill mode and select view all packages | 16:34 |
| dexterk | I know red pill | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | dexterk: we "intentionally" only show Mer packages, but entire ubuntu is underlaying | 16:35 |
| dexterk | see.. | 16:35 |
| dexterk | I use apt-cache search libx11-dev | 16:35 |
| dexterk | not from app-manager | 16:35 |
| AndrewFBlack | I'm having more fun running lxde on top of Mer then I think I've had on my tablet in a while | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and it should be there | 16:35 |
| dexterk | now I am apt-get update ing | 16:36 |
| dexterk | I hope i can see the libx11-dev after updating.. | 16:36 |
| dexterk | lol | 16:36 |
| dexterk | AndrewFBlack: yeah,I also want to run lxde under Mer, but I am a newbie to Mer.. | 16:38 |
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| AndrewFBlack | dexterk I'm working on a tutorial becuase when you first load lxde on Mer your going to have to use the terminal a little since you wont have a Package Manager yet and if you have a n800 you wont have a onscreen keyboard yet either | 16:41 |
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| Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: create a small package for the Mer repo for people to install lxde with? | 16:42 |
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| AndrewFBlack | well lxde is already there but if your using n800 I'm got to do something to install onBoard and set it to open auto also have to edit a file so they can use it at login as well | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | So an installer package is appropriate. | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: you can possibly use the gdm-autologin thing from deblet | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | lemme just add that to TODO | 16:44 |
| AndrewFBlack | Jaffa, I guess I don't need a package to install this stuff and go ahead and install lxde for you | 16:44 |
| dexterk | en,right | 16:44 |
| AndrewFBlack | I don''t know how to make the package but I'm working on how to do all the changes and maybe someone can help me package it up | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: it sounds like running lxde on mer is something a few people will want to do; there's no point them installing a package using apt-get then faffing with the command line when a small stub package with some Depends: and a postinst script could sort it all out :-) | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | And have a funky icon in the App Manager | 16:45 |
| AndrewFBlack | working on some .desktop files for things like nm-applet right now so I can stop using run commands lol | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | there's a LXDe autostart thing | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: if you can detail all the stuff which needs doing, I'll try to find time to help you package it (if not me, someone else will) | 16:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | cool | 16:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | right now i'm trying to figure out why my onBoard .dekstop file isn't showing up in menu but its showing up when i'm using lxlauncher | 16:47 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: Ok, I'll kill that one too. | 16:49 |
| guerby | hmm I can't find wget in maemo extra whereas gronmayer.com says it should be there, any ideA? | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | guerby: looking with App Mgr or apt-cache? | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | guerby: apt-get install wget | 16:51 |
| guerby | App Mgr | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Package is not in the repo. | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | guerby: it's in the "Tools" repo. | 16:52 |
| guerby | Jaffa diablo/tools right ? | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: is the "tools" repo on the list of things to slap maintainers about and get stuff in extras? There's no reason why less, wget etc. shouldn't be in extras (though they shouldn't be in user/ (probably)) | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | guerby: yup | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/osso-applet-accounts-l10n-enus1_0.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, I feel that those should be in Extras. The tools repo serves no purpose there.. | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: As for the slapping, you're most welcome to do that as a council thing ;) | 16:54 |
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| timeless | thanks | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll try and remember later. Can't I just empower you (although you have more power than me, so osmosis might benefit me more)? ;-) | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I have already more work than I can handle atm. | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: So if you want progress on that fast.... | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, I know the feeling | 16:58 |
| timeless | x-fade: you'll kill the request bits so that i don't have to bump the ver, ? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | timeless: ? | 16:58 |
| guerby | Jaffa, X-Fade for some reason even after adding diablo/tools wget doesn't show up in App Mgr, will use apt-get | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless: If a build fails, the package won't end up in the repo. | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: atm, the only thing I want fast is "sleep" - I'm very detached from everything apart from sleep, home & family at the moment :) | 16:59 |
| timeless | x-fade: yeah, but it's in the dput area | 16:59 |
| timeless | so i can't reput it | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless: So you can upload the same version again without problems. | 16:59 |
| timeless | or at least, i'm assuming | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | guerby: no, it wouldn't - it's not listed in "user/" section. Which, in general, is appropriate for CLI tools. | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | timeless: It should be moved away when building. | 16:59 |
| dexterk | lol,Mer suddenly reboot... | 16:59 |
| guerby | Jaffa, thx for the info | 16:59 |
| dexterk | maybe it is a good reason to install jaunty | 17:00 |
| dexterk | lol | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | dexterk: b-man's ubuntu port is practically "just" mer without our hildonizing things :P | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | dexterk: Mer /is/ Jaunty | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | ...and Mer's got more effort behind it than any other alternate distro effort for the tablets :) | 17:01 |
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| dexterk | ..... | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | then again, the amount of time slontapamus(sp) invests in gentoo compilation.. | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:01 |
| timeless | x-fade: ok, it seemed to push | 17:02 |
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| * timeless crosses fingers | 17:03 | |
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| timeless | did someone offer me a nice icon? | 17:03 |
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| AndrewFBlack | well once you get into lxde the built in auto login fuction works | 17:06 |
| AndrewFBlack | wonder if there is a way to set that right after we install it? Going to have to look into that | 17:07 |
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| StOrM_NW | what s the url for mer repository? | 17:10 |
| timeless | ok, i think everything is happy now | 17:13 |
| * timeless goes to borrow a victim device | 17:13 | |
| Stskeeps | StOrM_NW: repository.mer.tspre.org, only useful when using mer :P | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | timeless: send me an RX-51 and I'll test it for you ;-) | 17:13 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders where the heck to get a lesbie adaptor or whatever the usb host one is called | 17:14 | |
| timeless | jaffa: this is targetted at rx-34 and rx-44 | 17:14 |
| timeless | (and to a lesser extent whatever the number was for wimax) | 17:15 |
| StOrM_NW | i wanna grab the most recent version of cx3110x, the version contained at repository.mer.tspre.org is the lastest one right? | 17:15 |
| StOrM_NW | source version i mean | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | StOrM_NW: 770 or n8x0? | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | timeless: -48 I think | 17:15 |
| StOrM_NW | n8x0 | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | StOrM_NW: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module-src/ has some extra patches, yes | 17:16 |
| StOrM_NW | i m having some issues with Ad-Hoc BSSID partitioning | 17:16 |
| timeless | so, how long does it take to move from builder to diablo extras-devel? | 17:16 |
| StOrM_NW | with the default driver and this one too, so i need to fix this problem .... all the time that i turn on the n8xx and change it to ad-hoc ... it creates another bssid in some minutes ... i think is something related with the synchronization of the cells | 17:18 |
| dneary | hi all | 17:19 |
| dneary | I am the proud owner of a Nokia N82, since my piece of shit Sony Ericsson W910i went and broke its slider yesterday & fucked my phone | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: BTW, how does the karma for a product get allocated when multiple authors are listed in downloads.m.o? | 17:19 |
| dneary | Nothing to do with Maemo, but a nice opportunity to test out all the free software sync goodness that's been happening for the past few years | 17:20 |
| StOrM_NW | anyone know if prism chipset provides the feature to set the bssid to not change like atheros ... madwifi? | 17:20 |
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| timeless | btw, did someone explain what happpened to bugsl.maemo.org? | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is counted per person.. | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Out of diskspace.. | 17:23 |
| timeless | bugs.maemo.org or repository.maemo.org? | 17:23 |
| AndrewFBlack | I think I will buy a olpc and put Mer on it lol | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless: bugs. | 17:24 |
| timeless | ok | 17:24 |
| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, you are not a child. you cannot use olpc | 17:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, yeah I can I''m a big kid | 17:24 |
| lcuk | isnt the graphics driver for olpc very very different to normal | 17:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | I don't know but alot of people run ubuntu on it so it should be possible I would think | 17:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | I wonder how many of the OLPC computers on ebay are ones people got for free when they donated and how many are being some from the third world counties they were given to lol | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | simple way to find out, check the seller location :) | 17:29 |
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| timeless | we transfered a flag over pastebin :) | 17:31 |
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| ppires | hi all. where can i find the n810 stock kernel .config? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Andrew: When you donate, you do not get stuff for free | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Andrew: You basically pay for this stuff more than it would normally cost | 17:35 |
| ppires | i installed the sdk and tried to build a new kernel according to the manual, but the new kernel boots the system and is usable during 5s. after that is crashes and reboots | 17:35 |
| AndrewFBlack | RST38h, thats true | 17:35 |
| ppires | should i try make n800_defconfig? | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ppires: still trying to boot maemo or something else? | 17:38 |
| ppires | Stskeeps: i just want to get mobileipv6 built into the kernel. | 17:39 |
| ppires | the kernel i recompiled boots the n810 device. the ui is usable for 5s after boot. then it freezes and reboots the device | 17:40 |
| ppires | i didn't use the n800_defconfig but the one that's described in the manual. nokia_2420_config | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | mm, wait for qwerty12 when he comes by | 17:44 |
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| ppires | Stskeeps: ok tjs | 17:45 |
| ppires | tks | 17:45 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: done | 18:16 |
| r2d2rogers | cd ~ | 18:16 |
| r2d2rogers | woot | 18:16 |
| dneary | X-Fade: You got my mail? | 18:16 |
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| timeless | thanks | 18:18 |
| timeless | ok, so, there will be a 0.1-1 for a number of packages later | 18:18 |
| timeless | but... | 18:18 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: replied. | 18:20 |
| timeless | x-fade: scp failed | 18:20 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: try again. | 18:21 |
| timeless | /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/language-support-translations-enus1_0.1_source.changes: Permission denied | 18:21 |
| timeless | ok, it worked | 18:21 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 18:21 |
| timeless | oh right cool bug for modest | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 18:21 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless, i may congrat you on upload? | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, or not yet? | 18:22 |
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| timeless | it should be there very soon or now, in diablo-extras-devel | 18:24 |
| timeless | update and see if you can find it | 18:24 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: What's the axact shade of the background again? | 18:34 |
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| papagaj | hi | 18:35 |
| papagaj | who dneary | 18:35 |
| dneary | hi papagaj | 18:35 |
| dneary | who papagaj | 18:35 |
| dneary | Or should I say hu papagaj? | 18:35 |
| papagaj | :) | 18:35 |
| papagaj | Do you know how to use Eclipse with Maemo Diablo? | 18:36 |
| papagaj | I am stuck because I cannot find hildonmm | 18:37 |
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| dneary | papagaj: Not really, sorry | 18:40 |
| dneary | Although I will very soon... | 18:40 |
| papagaj | well, thanks anyway | 18:41 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: texinfo_4.11.dfsg.1-4 in extras-devel breaks everything related to tetex | 18:45 |
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| ppires | qwerty12: ping | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | ppires, pong | 18:53 |
| ppires | qwerty12: someone told me you could help me on a kernel recompilation issue for n810 | 18:53 |
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| ppires | i'm trying to built mobileipv6 support into it | 18:54 |
| ppires | make nokia_2420_defconfig | 18:54 |
| ppires | edited .config to add some options | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | I can try and help, but I'm certainly not the best :) | 18:54 |
| ppires | and ran make bzImage modules | 18:54 |
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| ppires | the thing is... the kernel boots, i have ui access for something like 5s | 18:54 |
| ppires | then it crashes and reboots | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | Odd. What options did you enable? I can try a quick build here | 18:55 |
| ppires | qwerty12: do i need to copy modules? | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Shouldn't have to iirc, unless any of the modules are different or you made new modules | 18:56 |
| StsN801 | cant mobileipv6 be a module? | 18:57 |
| ppires | StsN801: yes it can | 18:57 |
| StsN801 | maybe more safer, | 18:57 |
| ppires | CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6=y | 18:57 |
| ppires | but i need some more options | 18:57 |
| ppires | StsN801: but how can i get that module into my n810? | 18:58 |
| ppires | usb networking and copying it into /lib/modules/ ? | 18:58 |
| ppires | i thought it was write-protected | 18:58 |
| StsN801 | aye, for instance | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules is ro but you can remount it rw in diablo | 18:58 |
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| lardman | evening | 18:58 |
| StsN801 | thats initfs you're thinking of | 18:58 |
| ppires | anyway, nokia_2420_defconfig is the default for n810? | 18:58 |
| ppires | ahhh | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 18:58 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 18:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12: school or tobaganing today? | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | ppires, yes, it's supposed to be (some doubt it :)) but I've never ran into problems using that config | 18:59 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, school and then a long walk to plastow & back :) | 18:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12: why, no buses? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Didn't actually feel like the bus tbh | 19:00 |
| lardman | fair enough | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | s/like/like taking/ | 19:00 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Didn't actually feel like taking the bus tbh | 19:00 |
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| lardman | I tried to get Holly's car out and failed, then got mine out and did some handbrake turns and sliding, then worked from home | 19:00 |
| lardman | all good :) | 19:01 |
| lardman | adult toboganning | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :). I kept slipping on my way in the ice :D | 19:01 |
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| lardman | yeah, far nicer being in the car - I had troubles yesterday walking down the hill to get a train to Northampton, death-slide | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Snow is nice, ice not so much :D | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | The people from Finland, Russia etc are probably thinking meh, pretty much standard :P | 19:03 |
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| ppires | qwerty12: want me to send you my .config? | 19:08 |
| ppires | so you can try? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | ppires, sure | 19:08 |
| ppires | one sec, uploading | 19:08 |
| lardman | ppires: what sort of kernel is this, other than for the n810? | 19:09 |
| ppires | lardman: u mean, what kind of things am i getting into it? | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I could've got to work, if I could've completed the 10 min drive to the train station :-( | 19:09 |
| ppires | qwerty12: http://evoluzion.org/mindas/n810_mipv6_config | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | Grabbing, lemme just finish off some screenshots | 19:11 |
| lardman | ppires: yep, and what version is it? | 19:11 |
| ppires | lardman: i just followed diablo 4.1 instructions | 19:11 |
| ppires | diablo-2.6.21 | 19:12 |
| ppires | i just want it to have mipv6 | 19:12 |
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| ppires | anyway guys, i'll be off for 30m, i'll brb | 19:12 |
| ppires | if you need to reach me, paulo.pires@vodafone.pt | 19:13 |
| ppires | tls | 19:13 |
| ppires | tks | 19:13 |
| ppires | brb | 19:13 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Just got back from circut City I hope they hurry up and make there sales better | 19:36 |
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| AndrewFBlack | everything I want is still exspensive | 19:42 |
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| fireun | and the dollar is worth less every day | 19:43 |
| AndrewFBlack | I'm holding out til go do a 75% of sale | 19:43 |
| fireun | there wont be anything good left, it'll all be ipod covers and crappy headphones | 19:43 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol well I hide a few things today | 19:44 |
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| slonopotamus | hi | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | can anyone explain me how to build xorg-omapfb? | 20:06 |
| slonopotamus | i'm checking out from git, running ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make and it dies during compilation | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | grab the dependancies? pastebin the error | 20:07 |
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| slonopotamus | what i'm doing wrong? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, the error messages :P | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 20:10 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:10 |
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| slonopotamus | http://rafb.net/p/ZUcUA095.html | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | that their git? | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | hmmm. nope, that's your mer package | 20:20 |
| slonopotamus | their git gives same error | 20:21 |
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| slonopotamus | as i understand, it should include something with those files but it doesn't do it anywhere | 20:22 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol well I pissed off my tablet with that that file i edited now noting will open lol | 20:22 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, trying to include nonexistent file would produce error, isn't it? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, are you using old gcc to build this? ie diablo devkit | 20:23 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, oh, mine xorg is 1.3 | 20:24 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what version did you build it against? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i built my library in gcc4 yesterday and retested on x86 :) works well with tweaks | 20:25 |
| * slonopotamus wonders where he can find xorg-omapfb devs | 20:25 | |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 20:28 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:28 |
| fireun | timeout | 20:29 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lcuk I havn't compiled anything | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | of course AndrewFBlack, i meant slonopotamus | 20:35 |
| lcuk | sorry | 20:35 |
| * lcuk is goin a bit insane | 20:35 | |
| AndrewFBlack | lol | 20:35 |
| lcuk | ahhh you spoke at the wrong time and your nick is same length :) | 20:36 |
| * lcuk is goin delirious | 20:36 | |
| AndrewFBlack | sure blame me | 20:36 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, gcc-4.2 | 20:36 |
| lcuk | thanks, i will | 20:36 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, was just a thought cos i had similar sorts of errors during a switch over with no source changes in between | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, nope, my whole world is build using same compiler | 20:38 |
| slonopotamus | s/build/built/ | 20:38 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: lcuk, nope, my whole world is built using same compiler | 20:38 |
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| bacon_sandwich | that will do | 20:40 |
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| slonopotamus | o_O | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | talking bacon! | 20:41 |
| aquatix | bacon_sandwich: dang, getting hungry again | 20:41 |
| aquatix | sentient bacon! | 20:41 |
| bacon_sandwich | dont go that far - im created from a pigs arse | 20:42 |
| bacon_sandwich | feck feck feck, how do i handle dialogs in a not very OO oo system which isnt really OO but is fake OO and without completely creating a new language for it | 20:44 |
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| fireun | write a translator | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | you're writing dialogs in php? :) | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | I wondered when LIQ would be a langauge :) | 20:44 |
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| lardman | bacon_sandwich: just pack them? | 20:45 |
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| bacon_sandwich | simon, what do you mean pack them? | 20:46 |
| lardman | I thought you were talking about elements in a dialog, I guess now | 20:46 |
| bacon_sandwich | qwerty12, its not a language, but i was very tempted today to make a vb to liqcell importer | 20:46 |
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| bacon_sandwich | ahhh no, the contents of the dialog are fine | 20:46 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 20:46 |
| bacon_sandwich | i can create total user control elements | 20:46 |
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| bacon_sandwich | but in the old system i set a global to indicate i was done ewith the dialog | 20:47 |
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| bacon_sandwich | in the new system everything is objective | 20:47 |
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| lardman | this is for async dialogs? | 20:48 |
| bacon_sandwich | lardman, did you see the latest screen shot showing the basic widgets | 20:48 |
| lardman | nope | 20:48 |
| bacon_sandwich | for the currently focused application | 20:48 |
| bacon_sandwich | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png | 20:48 |
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| bacon_sandwich | so when i click on the calendar it is zoomed and focused | 20:49 |
| bacon_sandwich | fullscreen | 20:49 |
| bacon_sandwich | or window rather - i keep forgetting it runs there as well now ;) | 20:49 |
| bacon_sandwich | but its when a user action on the running app indicates its done now and wants to fall back and the system should zoom back out (like going back to the old menu) | 20:50 |
| Corsac | mpf, my n810 doesn't update itself over the air | 20:51 |
| Corsac | maybe it's too old? | 20:52 |
| bacon_sandwich | lardman :) those widgets are built up from that tiny little c example file i wrote a while ago and showed you. they are complete running apps, but can be operated and zoomed like the physics view :) they all render nice and fast nice matter how large they are | 20:52 |
| benson | Corsac: What OS is it? | 20:53 |
| Corsac | very old I guess | 20:53 |
| benson | Diablo is all that does SSU; in Control Panel; you'll need to reflash to that. | 20:54 |
| lardman | sorry bacon_sandwich, I dropped out there | 20:54 |
| Corsac | 2.2007.51-3 | 20:54 |
| * bacon_sandwich just noticed lardman fell out of the chan | 20:54 | |
| bacon_sandwich | yeah i just realised lol | 20:54 |
| bacon_sandwich | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png | 20:54 |
| benson | Then it will keep itself up to date. | 20:54 |
| bacon_sandwich | thats the pic | 20:54 |
| lardman | I see what you mean though | 20:54 |
| Corsac | benson: so I need to flash it? | 20:55 |
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| benson | Corsac: yes, unless you really like out-of-date software and hassles installing new apps. ;) | 20:55 |
| timeless | hello world | 20:55 |
| timeless | would someone please enable diablo extras-devel | 20:56 |
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| timeless | and search for "OS 2008 US" | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | I've got -devel enabled | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, I can search. | 20:56 |
| benson | search? you mean apt-cache search, or what? | 20:56 |
| timeless | the search thing is causing me to file two more bugs | 20:56 |
| timeless | benson: Application manager | 20:56 |
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| timeless | browse installable applications | 20:57 |
| benson | I didn't know it had a search, cool | 20:57 |
| timeless | click the binoculars | 20:57 |
| benson | Oh. | 20:57 |
| qwerty12 | No matches found. Lemme update the repo info. | 20:57 |
| * benson just always scrolled through the whole list... | 20:57 | |
| qwerty12 | The new categories has me looking through the categories now :) | 20:58 |
| benson | Arghh... N800 is on EDGE, not Wifi. | 20:59 |
| benson | No wonder it's taking forever to update repos. | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: good, isn't it? :) | 20:59 |
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| aquatix | timeless: "No matches found" | 20:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa, yep, I love it now :). Your grid view makes it look even better :) | 20:59 |
| benson | ~lart icd2 for not knowing about network priorities. | 21:00 |
| * infobot holds icd2 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails for not knowing about network priorities. | 21:00 | |
| aquatix | timeless: or is it a new package? | 21:00 |
| timeless | it's new | 21:00 |
| qwerty12 | timeless, got it. Want me to install? | 21:00 |
| timeless | well, first, does it look pretty? :) | 21:00 |
| timeless | as a warning, if you install it, you lose access to Amusing Nokia English(US) | 21:00 |
| qwerty12 | I like it :). Maemo-Display-Name & Maemo-Icon-26 :) | 21:00 |
| timeless | but if you want to, you can always switch to Amusing Nokia English(UK) | 21:01 |
| qwerty12 | But, I would like a version with the Union Jack on it :D | 21:01 |
| timeless | i'll get to it later | 21:01 |
| timeless | atm i'm still improving stuff | 21:01 |
| qwerty12 | That'll be great. :) | 21:01 |
| timeless | i have a bunch of changes for 0.1.1 or something | 21:01 |
| timeless | mostly to mail | 21:01 |
| timeless | since it wasn't well tested | 21:01 |
| timeless | (and it sucks) | 21:01 |
| qwerty12 | My tablet is still stuck in en_US with your older locales, may as well install :) | 21:01 |
| timeless | oh, yeah | 21:02 |
| timeless | fwiw, i have no idea what that'll do | 21:02 |
| aquatix | *melt* | 21:02 |
| timeless | it probably will claim the packages you have are equiv to the ones it's offering | 21:02 |
| timeless | and only update the meta | 21:02 |
| timeless | since the version numbers didn't change | 21:02 |
| timeless | you should probably remove my older one first | 21:02 |
| qwerty12 | Install failed, dunno if it's because I'm using your older locales. | 21:02 |
| benson | timeless: not finding it... | 21:02 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :) | 21:02 |
| timeless | benson: you have extras-devel installed? | 21:03 |
| timeless | and you clicked browse installable applications | 21:03 |
| timeless | and clicked the binoculars | 21:03 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: how do i get that patched appmgr? | 21:03 |
| benson | Yes on all 3... | 21:03 |
| timeless | and entered: OS 2008 | 21:03 |
| aquatix | looks pretty indeed | 21:03 |
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| timeless | benson: have you ever installed one of my previous versions? | 21:04 |
| benson | Entered "OS 2008 US" without the quotes. | 21:04 |
| benson | Yes. | 21:04 |
| timeless | if so, you should probably uninstall it first | 21:04 |
| benson | Ok. | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | aquatix: a) Install Mer; b) build from h-a-m svn; c) qwerty12 might have some debs | 21:04 |
| timeless | sorry | 21:04 |
| timeless | now that i've released an official thing | 21:04 |
| timeless | i'll actually version my debs | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | some helpful guy from #gentoo-embedded gave me a fix : #define uint8_t unsigned char | 21:04 |
| timeless | and this problem will go away | 21:04 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: ah right | 21:04 |
| slonopotamus | i wonder how you built it | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | aquatix: the patches *should* be in the next release of Maemo, but who knows | 21:05 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: i'll stick with os2008 this close to going to fosdem ;) | 21:05 |
| timeless | jaffa | 21:05 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: ghehe | 21:05 |
| timeless | do you know much about application manager? | 21:05 |
| timeless | suppose i have: | 21:05 |
| timeless | package-1 (0.1) | 21:05 |
| timeless | package-2 (0.1) | 21:05 |
| timeless | package-3 (0.1) depends: package-1, package-2 | 21:05 |
| timeless | Section: user/something | 21:05 |
| timeless | (package-1 and package-2 are not in user/) | 21:05 |
| timeless | if i install package-3 (and get package-1, package-2) | 21:06 |
| timeless | and then a package-1 (0.1.1) is added to the repo | 21:06 |
| timeless | do i get told about it? | 21:06 |
| timeless | btw, sp3000 did the art shiny stuff | 21:07 |
| * slonopotamus thinks no. however apt-get upgrade will pick it | 21:07 | |
| timeless | and thanks to wazd for the initial pointer | 21:07 |
| benson | package-1 is user/*, or not? | 21:07 |
| timeless | not | 21:07 |
| timeless | only 3 is in user/* | 21:07 |
| benson | Then no, it won't. | 21:07 |
| timeless | (yes, terrible package names, i know) | 21:07 |
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| slonopotamus | and that's ugly | 21:08 |
| timeless | ? | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, look what i & benson said. it won't update | 21:08 |
| timeless | which is ugly | 21:08 |
| timeless | my package names, or the behavior? :) | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | behaviour | 21:09 |
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| timeless | ok | 21:09 |
| timeless | supposing i then add | 21:09 |
| timeless | package-3 (0.1.1) depends: package-1, package-2 | 21:09 |
| timeless | will it get the latest package-1 (0.1.1) or keep the one i have? | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | keep the one i bet | 21:10 |
| timeless | is there any way for me to get a different behavior? | 21:10 |
| timeless | i have 62+ dependencies | 21:10 |
| timeless | and updating the control file would kinda suck | 21:10 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, i learned to prepare to the ugliest with nokia :) | 21:11 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: hey, install the package | 21:11 |
| benson | bypass app-mugger and use apt-*? | 21:11 |
| timeless | we can improve things :) | 21:11 |
| slonopotamus | benson, not user-friendly | 21:11 |
| benson | Neither is app-mugger. | 21:12 |
| benson | :P | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, with current appmgr - nope | 21:12 |
| x29a | sportstracker for my N810 would be awesome | 21:12 |
| timeless | aww | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | benson, i don't know what's app-mugger | 21:12 |
| benson | But it's the only alternative I know, not necessarily that it's better. | 21:12 |
| timeless | Can't install OS 2008 US English Translation. | 21:12 |
| wnd | if application manager uses apt, it should get the latest | 21:12 |
| timeless | Installation file corrupted. | 21:12 |
| timeless | aww fsck | 21:13 |
| wnd | if it helps, you can always have a package to depend on specific version of another package | 21:13 |
| benson | slonopotamus: You keep abbreviating it as "appmgr"; I use a more descriptive version. | 21:13 |
| slonopotamus | wnd, he has 62 deps | 21:13 |
| timeless | Failed to fetch ....language-support-translations Size mismatch | 21:13 |
| slonopotamus | benson, oh :) | 21:13 |
| slonopotamus | benson, i can use h-a-m :) | 21:14 |
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| slonopotamus | btw. there was some initiative on fixing app categories. it failed? | 21:14 |
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| timeless | slonopotamus: i used the category i was told to use | 21:15 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png :) | 21:15 |
| timeless | it landed me in other | 21:15 |
| * timeless blames "someone else" | 21:15 | |
| timeless | unless i spelled it wrong | 21:15 |
| timeless | is it user/System instead of user/system ? | 21:15 |
| qwerty12 | No, lower case | 21:15 |
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| timeless | FATAL -> Failed to fork. | 21:16 |
| timeless | read: Bad file descriptor | 21:16 |
| * timeless sighs | 21:16 | |
| timeless | h-a-m doesn't like me | 21:16 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, that's just a picture. open your h-a-m :) | 21:17 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, it's a picture from my device :) | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | timeless: it'll end up in "Other" if there's no translation; there may not be translations for all the determined categories | 21:18 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, well, 'cause you're a painter? :) | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: the categories fix up didn't fail at all: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories | 21:18 |
| benson | qwerty12: where should one get the latest h-a-m for Diablo? from your maemobox, or elseplace? | 21:19 |
| qwerty12 | No, because I'm a person with the Diablo sdk and a person who went crazy learning how to get a specific branch from git :) | 21:19 |
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| qwerty12 | ^ @slonopotamus | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, open your manager. same mess as two years ago | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, uh | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: the problem's fixed in svn - it's just a question of distributing the latest version. | 21:20 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, gui can't fix repo :) | 21:20 |
| qwerty12 | benson, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/hildon-application-manager_2.1.20~unreleased_armel.deb - notice the unreleased tag :). A newer version may be in git, dunno | 21:20 |
| benson | thx | 21:20 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12, how many % of packages was put into 'other'? :) | 21:20 |
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| slonopotamus | s/was/were | 21:21 |
| timeless | so um | 21:21 |
| timeless | are people able to install my package? | 21:21 |
| timeless | because i can't :( | 21:21 |
| qwerty12 | slonopotamus, can't deny that there is quite a few but the newer h-a-m is a step forward no doubt,. | 21:21 |
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| qwerty12 | timeless, I could install it but now I'm left with packages that I now have to selectively apt-get upgrade (or install technically) | 21:22 |
| slonopotamus | timeless, the funniest thing is that you can't fix your package category, you need to roll out new version :) | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: once the i18n is in place, are you volunteering to help raise bugs/contact package maintainers to get packages moved into the most appropriate category? The help'd be appreciated | 21:22 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, just make autobuilder die on nonexistent category | 21:22 |
| timeless | slonopotamus: i'll have to roll something to update for the next string set | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: perhaps - but that'll just push people away from Extras again; it's an option, but it's not helpful one | 21:23 |
| timeless | so um | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | It's a "piss off and fix your package" solution | 21:23 |
| * qwerty12 should upload his Droid Sans font to extras-devel too come think of it... | 21:23 | |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: and doesn't do anything for all the packages already in extras | 21:23 |
| qwerty12 | s/font/font package/ | 21:23 |
| timeless | can i make a package's (re)configure stage trigger apt-get upgrade for a list of packages? :) | 21:24 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, ok, put someone between autobuilder and repo so he/she/it will fix categories | 21:24 |
| bacon_sandwich | jaffa, wall of shame | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: yes, I was asking if you were volunteering to help? | 21:24 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, thinking out solutions isn't a help yet? :) | 21:24 |
| Corsac | ok, which gps/map stuff should I use? | 21:25 |
| qwerty12 | Actions speak louder than words ;) | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: these solutions have already been arrived at in various threads on maemo-*, it's a question of putting them into action ;-) | 21:25 |
| bacon_sandwich | depends on if your pc is muted or not, i can make words VERY loud | 21:25 |
| * timeless frowns | 21:26 | |
| benson | Put someone between autobuilder and repo so he/she/it will _hurl insults, flames, and imprecations at the maintainers_? | 21:26 |
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| timeless | giving out http://localhost/ as a url won't help many people, will it? | 21:26 |
| qwerty12 | bacon_sandwich, you're from the North and northerns are gobby so I can believe that :P | 21:26 |
| * bacon_sandwich writes a new physics view | 21:26 | |
| qwerty12 | s/northerns/northerners | 21:26 |
| bacon_sandwich | oi | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, i'm busy with gentoo, sorry | 21:27 |
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| slonopotamus | broken repository model, broken installer, broken init scripts... i don't understand benefits of debian and derivatives. | 21:30 |
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| timeless | so um... | 21:42 |
| timeless | did anyone actually get my package to install? | 21:42 |
| bacon_sandwich | X-Fade, if i wanted to automatically download a user avatar from maemo.org, is there a url format i could use? | 21:42 |
| bacon_sandwich | ie, the whole profile is available as http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk/ | 21:42 |
| bacon_sandwich | is there a param to just get the avatar | 21:43 |
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| AndrewFBlack | well I got my income tax return back what gadget should I buy now | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | wait for rx-51? :P | 21:56 |
| AndrewFBlack | I figure it will be 3rd quarter before we it it | 21:56 |
| x29a | AndrewFBlack: ultimate wall-e | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: a beagleboard? :P | 21:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | I can get on the lets wait for pandora to ship banwagon lol | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | beagleboards deliver, heh :P | 21:58 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I would be better of buying someone else a beagle board lol | 21:59 |
| benson | A chance at a Pandora? | 21:59 |
| benson | That may be 3rd quarter, too... | 22:00 |
| lardman | AndrewFBlack: I'd hope to see rx-51 by end of 2nd quarter | 22:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | I did look at a archos 5 today one clearance at Circut City but I decided not to get it | 22:00 |
| lardman | Pandora you might just get one by end of 2nd quarter if you order one of the left overs now; that's my theory anyway | 22:00 |
| AndrewFBlack | lardman, they still havn't shipped any yet have that | 22:01 |
| AndrewFBlack | they | 22:01 |
| AndrewFBlack | what i think is funny most the stuff on sale at circut city can still be goten online for less money | 22:01 |
| lardman | no, nor will they for another month or so, at least, I guess | 22:02 |
| lardman | and it will probably be longer than that, seeing how their timeline from a month ago has already slipped >2 weeks afaict | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: i wouldn't touch an archos personally :P | 22:02 |
| benson | I heard the first thing CC did was put everything back up to MSRP, so that the starting "discounts" left it still more than it had been the previous week. XD | 22:02 |
| bacon_sandwich | even if you could root it? | 22:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I was looking at it as a Media Player Only | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | bacon_sandwich: if i could root it, it would be a different thing | 22:03 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't like the way Archos are like scavengers | 22:03 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: It's possible for some of the Archos devices | 22:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | I saw some hacks people are doing on it I'm surprise they don't have root access yet | 22:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | we could load Mer on its 250GB Hard drive | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm building armv4t mer at the moment.. debian base though | 22:04 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I bet if I ordered it and set it to you to figure out how to get Mer on it you would play with it lol | 22:04 |
| * lardman is tempted by a larger screen for watching movies | 22:05 | |
| * wazd has made rotatable OMweather layout. Wazd is happy | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: Pocket Loox 720, beagleboard, so far :P | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cool :). Is this for the loox? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no, loox is armv5te O_o | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | which is bloody brilliant | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :) | 22:05 |
| AndrewFBlack | You know what i really want is a new cell phone with a decent size screen I don't even want a smart phone just a little bigger screen | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: this is for stuff like Freerunner.. | 22:05 |
| bacon_sandwich | Stskeeps, freerunner dont have xv yet do they | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | bacon_sandwich: noclue | 22:06 |
| * AndrewFBlack is reinstalling Mer after messing his install up | 22:06 | |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: i just keep around a tar.gz, makes things easier | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah ha, from what I hear, they could do with a real os... - Stskeeps | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: "Maemo Everywhere" | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
| AndrewFBlack | tar.gz of what? | 22:06 |
| * bacon_sandwich is pleased to see maemo being pushed outwards. ive had enough of our little device being stomped on | 22:07 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, when will Maemo achieve world domination? :) | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: the installer downloads a tar.gz which is an image of the intended filesystem | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i honestly think it might have a better shot than android.. but that's me | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I may buy another 720 if the price is better, worthless with os2003 imho but Mer could make it worthwhile | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | if people can take any device, slap X and touchscreen on top.. | 22:07 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, ok | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, not me personally :) but i love Google so... | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | (there's ofcourse issue of power management etc..) | 22:08 |
| AndrewFBlack | I had lxde running well to well this gives me a change to check out all my instructions i wrote for people | 22:08 |
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| AndrewFBlack | maybe I'll get me a Nokia 9300 | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | get an e90 instead if you have the money :p | 22:11 |
| AndrewFBlack | well I can get a 9300 unlocked for 150 lol about a fifth of the e90 lol | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 22:12 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol you can print frorm a Nokia 9300 but you can't a Nokia Internet Tablet | 22:14 |
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| AndrewFBlack | wish I could find a Nokia 9000 lol I always wanted one of those in high school lol | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: you probably can from mer :P | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Last time i checked, cups was in -devel... | 22:18 |
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| AndrewFBlack | wonder if I can get the Nokia 9000 to hook up to my tablet | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tear is nice but less so when it insists on setting /apps/osso/gtk/enable-accels to true | 22:20 |
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| benson | timeless: Finally got it. Some trouble with uninstalling the old one, left me with no localization, but then it installed fine. | 22:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles dreamed about a "Nokia N1913" (RX-51) last night. | 22:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Unstable, pre-alpha, unpolished, barely-Fremantle UI but it was blazing fast. | 22:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, is N1913 offical namen ow? | 22:30 |
| * benson wants an N1913 with an M1913 mount | 22:30 | |
| Stskeeps | N2000 | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | ;P | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It will be now ;) | 22:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I had a dream!" | 22:30 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: So it was running Mer? ;) | 22:31 |
| AndrewFBlack | benson, lol | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, nah, it was Fremantle, but with a very broken UI. :P | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: beagle does mer now btw :P your board still dead? | 22:31 |
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| Corsac | is there a way to disable the texte bar with t9 when typing on keyboard? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think I need an intervening 3rd-party to recover it. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | A new SD card and another machine to format it on. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still can't understand why I managed to fix it ONCE, but then never again. | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah, thought your uboot was hosed or something | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I managed to boot from an SD card ONCE | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | then flashed a replacement and ended up in the same situation | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . I just made the Rygel/Farscape connection. <_< | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I was gonna ask about the DBOX2 port but then remembered it uses a PPC :p | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ehlo general | 22:34 |
| RST38h | moo qwerty, sts | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: dbox2? | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: and we were thinking about a ppc port.. for wii | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | it is fairly easy once ubuntu is ported. | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | (there is a powerpc port) | 22:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, some really old cable recievers hacked to run linux and hacked for other purposes... they've been superceded by other recievers but that one holds a nostalgic value to me for being the box that started it all. but I'm not entirely sure the speed is good enough... | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | 8mb flash images might be cutting it a bit ;) | 22:37 |
| timeless | generalantilles: so... | 22:38 |
| timeless | if you use stage.maemo.org instead of repository.maemo.org | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha, think newer ones are more powerful (eg dreambox) with built in hd's etc but I think they still want firmware on flash... | 22:38 |
| timeless | you can get my OS 2008 strings | 22:38 |
| * timeless kinda poisoned the repository :( | 22:38 | |
| timeless | stupid netscalar-thingy | 22:38 |
| timeless | akamai? | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Someone poisoned the waterhole!" | 22:39 |
| benson | timeless: poisoned? Is this new, because I just installed from repository.maemo.org... | 22:40 |
| timeless | not new | 22:40 |
| timeless | there are a bunch of akamai regional mirrors | 22:40 |
| benson | Like 10 minutes ago, seemed to work fine. | 22:40 |
| timeless | and the one near me got poisoned by an old version of a file | 22:40 |
| benson | oh, ok | 22:40 |
| timeless | the version all the others see is ok | 22:40 |
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| timeless | but i forgot about it | 22:40 |
| AndrewFBlack | You know something athta doesn't work on Mer tha surprised me is backlight keyboard | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: we simply haven't made support for it | 22:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | wow look at my typing skills | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be amazed how much is SW and how little is HW :P | 22:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah I figured backlight keys was HW should have seen me last night in dark trying to use it lol | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it actually isn't that complicated imho looking at the source of the mce module | 22:42 |
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| timeless | oh btw | 22:43 |
| timeless | i have a replacement for the maemo-folder-picker-thingy | 22:43 |
| timeless | and the maemo-show-text-thingy | 22:43 |
| timeless | because those thingys don't work | 22:43 |
| timeless | :( | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | maemo-confirm-text & maemo-menu-select-location? | 22:43 |
| timeless | i can't view installed applications by category | 22:43 |
| timeless | yes, those two evil thingys | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they work me come think of it | 22:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/me/for me/ | 22:44 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: they work for me come think of it | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | >.< | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The selection-location needs to behave differently if installing from a console. | 22:44 |
| timeless | oh | 22:45 |
| timeless | is that why it breaks? | 22:45 |
| timeless | because i tried installing things from ham | 22:45 |
| timeless | and they failed | 22:45 |
| timeless | and later trying to update from console | 22:45 |
| timeless | my dpkg's hung | 22:45 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey qwerty12_N800 I'm listing some of the projects Maemobox hosts on the front page I'm putting some of your up if thats cool | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AndrewFBlack, sure, go for it :) | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Formido short description "Kill as much alien insect bastards as possible." | 22:46 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hits qwerty12_N800 with a shoe. | 22:46 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes, I was gonna use motherfuckers but decided against it. | 22:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | I"m still waiting for the email from Nokia telling me to change the name of the site | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, alien insect bastards are not water. :P | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I actually copied that (with changes) from the original description :p | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | We could probably use a styleguide for packaging | 22:47 |
| benson | changes: s/many/much/ ? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: how much traffic can you drag btw? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't think short descriptions should be followed by a period. | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm all up for a style guide, my grammar isn't the best & I'm not the most imaginative person | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, maybe drop "OS 2008"? | 22:49 |
| timeless | your timing sucks | 22:49 |
| timeless | i'm pushing it now via dput | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:49 |
| timeless | it's now OS2008 | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, make a note for the next release. :P | 22:49 |
| * qwerty12_N800 takes the shoe thrown at me by GeneralAntilles and aimes for timeless | 22:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I think OS2008 can be assumed, since anybody seeing it will be seeing it from the appropriate Extras distribution. | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/aimes/aims | 22:50 |
| timeless | well, there's OS2008 Feature upgrade | 22:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles takes the shoe back from qwerty12_N800 and throws it at him again. | 22:50 | |
| benson | qwerty12_N800: on the bright side, stringing expletives together must not require much creativity. | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Oh thanks GeneralAntilles. :P | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | benson, fuck no | 22:51 |
| benson | s/cre/imagin/ | 22:51 |
| infobot | benson meant: qwerty12_N800: on the bright side, stringing expletives together must not require much imaginativity. | 22:51 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, 7.8 TB a month | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, maybe "Improved translations for US English" would work beta as the short description? | 22:51 |
| timeless | technically the short thing shouldn't be a sentence fwiw | 22:52 |
| AndrewFBlack | Qole uses about 600GB amonth transfer | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/by Americans/for Americans/ ? | 22:52 |
| timeless | if you mean the debian thing and not the maemo thing | 22:52 |
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| timeless | no, usable by is correct | 22:53 |
| timeless | it means that Americans could use it | 22:53 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, Looking to offload some of the Mer work load? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: thinking about it, yeah | 22:53 |
| timeless | you want me to change: translations metapackage for US English | 22:53 |
| timeless | ? | 22:53 |
| benson | Nokia would have said "of Americans"... | 22:53 |
| timeless | improved translations for US English | 22:54 |
| timeless | NO | 22:54 |
| timeless | improved US English translations | 22:54 |
| timeless | ^ ok? | 22:54 |
| timeless | err | 22:54 |
| timeless | improved US English localization | 22:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | grr I did it again I load lxde before i installed an oncreen keyboard | 22:54 |
| timeless | ^ ok? | 22:54 |
| timeless | where's the dput page? | 22:55 |
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| AndrewFBlack | brb got to kill wpa on my router | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dput page? | 22:55 |
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| fred23 | Hi everybody, I've got some questions about maemo-gtk... is there another channel more suited for that? Or is this one just right ? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | fred23: think it's closest you get :P | 22:56 |
| fred23 | k, I'm with Mozilla and we're experiencing problems with one of our invisible widgets calling gtk_invisible_new() under Nokia's N810 mobile devices. | 22:56 |
| fred23 | It seems that this call triggers a thorough search through every single native theme directories to find .png images, which result in 4050 'lstat64' system calls... ahuge chunk of our startup time. | 22:56 |
| benson | timeless: Third line of long description doesn't fit in window; can you wrap "actually" to the last line? | 22:56 |
| fred23 | Since I'm aware that this style-retrieving step might *not* be evitable, I know there's still something wrong: It's supposed to be cached for subsequent app launches... but it's not! | 22:56 |
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| fred23 | Does anyone have any hint about that ? | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | fred23: are you using sapwood engine, btw? | 22:57 |
| fred23 | yep | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | mail maemo-developers mailing list, i'm sure they'll catch up on it, they're crazy about performance, so :P | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | or bugs.maemo.org | 22:58 |
| fred23 | you got it ! thanx ;-) | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, capitalize Improved. | 22:58 |
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| timeless | generalantilles: debian package policy complains that the thing shouldn't be Sentence caps'd | 23:00 |
| timeless | bensons: yeah, one sec | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're totally not consistent than. | 23:00 |
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| * timeless nods | 23:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's about 60/40 capitalized/not | 23:00 |
| timeless | bensons: 'actually' is now wrapped | 23:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles prefers capitalized, personally. | 23:00 | |
| timeless | alright | 23:01 |
| timeless | now what was the line? | 23:01 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, Just let me know if you do and we will set you up downlaod speed for me is normally about 600kb down a second from the server | 23:01 |
| timeless | ok | 23:01 |
| timeless | anything else? | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Improved US English localization | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You could argue that Maemo policy doesn't expect it :) | 23:01 |
| timeless | ok, they'll be part of 0.1.2 | 23:01 |
| timeless | which won't happen until after FOSDEM | 23:02 |
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| timeless | anyway, please install it and use it | 23:02 |
| timeless | and collect complaints | 23:02 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey qwerty whats some of the projects you have on maemobox server besides x Screensaver so I can list a few | 23:02 |
| timeless | note that 0.1.1 is currently supposedly moving through builder | 23:02 |
| * timeless kicks extras-assistant | 23:03 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | AndrewFBlack, maemo ones? My biggest one personally imho is the snmp mod to the firmware for my old router | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to fix how h-a-m handles displaying descriptions before we push any style guide, though. | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AndrewFBlack, lemme have a look for more | 23:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol yeah Maemo mainly | 23:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol qole on his account named thanks-andrew its an empty text file | 23:05 |
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| genewitch | what's the story on the SD card issues with the n800? | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AndrewFBlack, I've got nmap with an actual working zenmap on there | 23:06 |
| genewitch | was there ever an official "here's how to fix/prevent that" | 23:06 |
| AndrewFBlack | ok | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | LOL, lcuk, I just noticed your /msg tab turned into bacon_sandwich. :P | 23:08 |
| timeless | ok, we need to get dinner | 23:08 |
| timeless | and i need to pack and go to the airport | 23:08 |
| timeless | andre__: have fun shipping bugs to various projects | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | have fun at fosdem | 23:08 |
| timeless | some go to debian.org | 23:08 |
| timeless | :) | 23:08 |
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| Corsac | mpf, with maemo mapper which gps should I use? | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | evening b-man | 23:10 |
| b-man | hi Stskeeps :) | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you ever have any luck with bzr? | 23:11 |
| b-man | nope :( | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | we'll look at it latest after sunday | 23:12 |
| b-man | ok | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | gf is home so my productivity is .. 70% down or so :P | 23:12 |
| brdusr | hi thopiekar ;-) | 23:13 |
| * sp3000 mumbles something about reproductivity | 23:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, sp3000. :) | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hah | 23:14 |
| thopiekar | hi brdusr ;) | 23:14 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: btw, i've finished buiding up that ubuntu repository - it includes re-compiled packages from mer/deblet repo :) | 23:14 |
| andre__ | timeless, hehe. see you soon! | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I may have to make the community highlights a once-a-month deal, I don't think I can keep up with bi-monthly. . . . | 23:15 |
| timeless | as long as i don't miss my flight | 23:15 |
| * andre__ should also pack his suitcase | 23:15 | |
| b-man | (all of the base packages at least) | 23:15 |
| * timeless needs to eat, pack, catch cab | 23:15 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe, alright | 23:15 |
| timeless | sleep@airport | 23:15 |
| timeless | bye all | 23:15 |
| andre__ | cy | 23:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yesterday your productivity was 50% cause of gf :) | 23:15 |
| wazd | c ya | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cya | 23:15 |
| b-man | see you timeless | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sp3000, out of curiosity, are you the same person who worked on timidity? think I noticed your name when I did some quick hildonizing to the gtk interface | 23:16 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hey if you you have a modified xmodmap how do you run it? | 23:21 |
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| ppires | qwerty12_N800: hi there :-) | 23:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | nevermind | 23:22 |
| ppires | sorry, took much more than 30m. | 23:22 |
| * b-man discovers that one of his friends has a nokia n800 0_o wohoooo!!! i'm not the only one anymore :D | 23:23 | |
| ppires | anyway, qwerty12_N800 the last kernel that i've compiled is now working fine | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ppires, hi :). I tried it too, my uptime is still going up as normal with your config :) | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i was surprised to find my officemate has a n810, heh | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | i obviously started pushing Mer to hi. | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | him. :P | 23:24 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | I think GeneralAntilles is the person nearest me who has one lol | 23:25 |
| ppires | qwerty12_N800: now, do you know how to get busybox with ipv6 support? | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ppires, the one with diablo should already have it | 23:26 |
| ppires | qwerty12_N800: nice! | 23:27 |
| ppires | what irc client do u use? | 23:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ppires, xchat | 23:28 |
| ppires | qwerty12_N800: is it available in maemo extras? | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 23:28 |
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| timelE61i | hEy. Weather forecast for fosdem?? | 23:30 |
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| ppires | cold, lots of cold | 23:31 |
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| * GeneralAntilles deletes all of timeless's builder list spam. | 23:33 | |
| b-man | heh | 23:34 |
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| timelE61i | Pass/fail? :) | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, most of it seemed to pass. ;) | 23:37 |
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| timelE61i | It'd be nice if i could scp/dput/upload a single zip and have it process everything in one job... | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | File an enhancement request. | 23:42 |
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| * timelE61i will... | 23:43 | |
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| timelE61i | so, how long between success and uplod to repo? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once an hour, I think? | 23:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | That's for extras promotion, extras-devel is a little more random but less than an hour for sure :/ | 23:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 23:45 |
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| timelE61i | qwerty: can you tell me what portion of my packages are 0.1 v 0.1.1 in extras-devel atm? | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | benson, lol, so much Matrix. ;) | 23:50 |
| timelE61i | ? | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | timelE61i, I've seen the amount of packages you uploaded so I won't be checking personally :). But you can grab the dists/Packages file and search for your packages or use the extras promoter for a nicer view :) | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, setup pictures with Matrix screensavers. | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flickr.com/photos/31311658@N07/3256723418/ | 23:51 |
| * bacon_sandwich does the inverse of the physics algo | 23:51 | |
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| bacon_sandwich | gan at that resolution i can almost read your gmail | 23:52 |
| oli | how to take photo (using n800's webcam) via ssh? | 23:53 |
| GAN800 | bacon_sandwich, not MY email. :P | 23:53 |
| benson | Yeah, almost, but I think it's secure enough. | 23:53 |
| benson | Contents are clean, and it's almost impossible to read. | 23:53 |
| bacon_sandwich | shakey amateur cameraman ;) | 23:54 |
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| timelE61i | oli: the camera is accessible using v4l | 23:54 |
| keesj | oli: probably this can be done using gst-launch | 23:54 |
| bacon_sandwich | i like the recursion | 23:54 |
| timelE61i | Find an app that speaks it... | 23:54 |
| oli | timelE61i: v4l or v4l2 ? maybe mplayer can do dhis | 23:55 |
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| timelE61i | 2 iirc | 23:55 |
| timelE61i | Gan: so have you installed 0.1 or are you just critiquing the debian/control file? | 23:56 |
| benson | bacon_sandwich: using a tripod, but I can't control my camera. LCD is broken. :( | 23:56 |
| * timelE61i kicks modest for string abuse | 23:57 | |
| bacon_sandwich | oh lol - i thought it was gans setup :P | 23:57 |
| bacon_sandwich | he has just as much stuff in a similar layout | 23:58 |
| bacon_sandwich | though i did notice you left your drugs out | 23:58 |
| benson | look again. | 23:59 |
| keesj | oli: http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam | 23:59 |
| benson | Empty drug receptacles stacked next to the laptop. | 23:59 |
| benson | Caffiene is a drug, too. | 23:59 |
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