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| lbt | hello | 00:14 |
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| zeenix | timelE61i: is it the l33t day? | 00:21 |
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| timeless | zeenix? | 00:24 |
| timeless | Call speed | 00:24 |
| timeless | Call type: [Normal,High speed] | 00:24 |
| timeless | Modem type: [Analog, ISDN v.110, ISDN v.120] | 00:25 |
| timeless | Maximum data speed: [9600 bps, 14400 bps] | 00:25 |
| timeless | is "Call speed" really a good descriptor for those 3 choice fields? :( | 00:26 |
| * timeless tentatively changes it to 'Connection' | 00:26 | |
| timeless | or 'Connect'? | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Connection | 00:27 |
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| cgardner | I'm trying to check for updates for the first time after updating the firmware, and it seem to stop half way through the check. Is this normal? | 00:27 |
| timeless | cgardner: how many repos do you have? | 00:28 |
| timeless | err 'catalogs' | 00:28 |
| cgardner | timeless: 4 | 00:29 |
| timeless | wooot | 00:29 |
| timeless | Global Positioning System fits! | 00:29 |
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| cgardner | timeless: I disabled all of them, and enabled them one at a time and it seems to work now. I don't know what the problem was. | 00:32 |
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| cgardner | Are there any generally awesome must have apps? | 00:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~musthaves | 00:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~musthave | 00:41 |
| infobot | from memory, musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects | 00:41 |
| cgardner | Thanks | 00:41 |
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| wazd | infobot, where's OMWeather, bastard?) | 00:43 |
| wazd | ~burn himslelf | 00:44 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himslelf, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 00:44 | |
| FireFox | lol | 00:44 |
| FireFox | hehe | 00:44 |
| wazd | ok, Yahoo weather is in list :) Anybody happy?) | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | wazd: what about bbc.co.uk :) | 00:47 |
| * FireFox compiles a fuew more packages for the ubuntu repo to make it complete - adding kernel-diablo, xorg, and cx3110x-module packages | 00:49 | |
| wazd | Jaffa: I'll try | 00:49 |
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| wazd | I really wonder why some providers don't want to be represented to people, without banner or with it, they just don't want | 00:52 |
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| wazd | Is that some kind of secret market strategy "Let's just disappear" | 00:52 |
| wazd | http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/4567.xml <- cool | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | BBC gooood | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ in particular is a treasure trove | 00:55 |
| wazd | Now I should write a letter to their support and ask them if they don't mind to be used by friendly non-commercial open-source informant | 00:55 |
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| wazd | I really don't see any problem in using this, but maybe they are paranoid or something | 00:56 |
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| wazd | So hard to do everything legal) | 00:57 |
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| wazd | oh my | 01:00 |
| wazd | I'm fucking genius | 01:00 |
| wazd | What if OMWeather can be like "emulator" and weather feeds are like ROM's | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, does NOAA provide a free feed? | 01:01 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, in fact all sites provide free feed in some way | 01:02 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: but they all have some strange article in LA | 01:02 |
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| benson | You mean we should tell everyone they have to own one to extract the feed, but it's really an open secret that you can download them and play all the old games^H^H^H^H^H weather for free? | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole "karma will never work" view is way too defeatist for my tastes. | 01:03 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: like "you can't show, bla-bla-bla this information without our permision" | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should try to add IRC to the karma calculation before the next election. | 01:03 |
| wazd | benson: well, we just leave all responsibility to "feed-authors" and include in OMWeather itself pnly approved feeds | 01:04 |
| wazd | benson: and you will be able to add other feeds easily :) | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: there are a few karma bugs which should be prioritised in the next sprint; that could be one too. Are you chairing tomorrow's meeting? | 01:05 |
| benson | Ah, like Maemo Mapper. "Click the button to download repositories that may or may not be legal for you to use!" | 01:06 |
| wazd | benson: yeah, that sort of stuff :) | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, probably. | 01:07 |
| wazd | benson: but I'd prefer to have them all legaly ofcourse :) | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless somebody else really has a hankerin' to get in on that action. ;) | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'll be eating my lunch, trying to actually have a lunchbreak and participate. | 01:08 |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint Review February 4th @ 14:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 01:08 | |
| Jaffa | Annoyingly, there's no wireless at work now. Although, I could take my laptop to the breakout area and use my phone. Pricey & laggy, tho' | 01:09 |
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| wazd | Surprisingly, Foreca has absolutely free RSS/XML feed :) | 01:10 |
| * Jaffa beds, disheartedly | 01:10 | |
| wazd | Jaffa: gnite | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course the text file with all the #maemo/#maemo-meeting topics disappears the day I actually need it. . . . | 01:10 |
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| Jucato | emergency question: is there an undelete in the file manager (OS2008 Diablo)? :( | 01:14 |
| timeless | not really | 01:14 |
| Jucato | ouch :( | 01:14 |
| timeless | in most cases the data is probably still around | 01:14 |
| timeless | but reaching it is terribly painful | 01:14 |
| Jucato | oh it was on the external memory card though | 01:15 |
| timeless | in that case, you have choices | 01:15 |
| timeless | you can find a linux tool, or a windows tool and usb mount it | 01:15 |
| benson | FAT's easy to undelete from; take it to a dos machine. | 01:16 |
| timeless | i personally wouldn't try to use Maemo to do the recovery | 01:16 |
| timeless | ,me would use a windows or dos tool | 01:16 |
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| * Jucato tries and crosses fingers | 01:16 | |
| Jucato | thanks | 01:16 |
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| Jucato | though a follow-up question: why isn't there some Trash management? or will there be or is there a way to get that? | 01:17 |
| * benson hates it when delete doesn't delete. | 01:17 | |
| benson | But it's a good question, most DEs do that. | 01:18 |
| benson | I don't know why Maemo doesn't; if it really irks you, go vote on/file a bug. :P | 01:18 |
| Jucato | some also have the option to bypass the Trash for people who hate it when delete doesn't delete ;) | 01:19 |
| Jucato | well to be honest, it only hit me now :P | 01:19 |
| benson | Something tells me Maemo wouldn't, but yes. The good ones do. | 01:19 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: solca: | 01:20 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: solca: @Maemo councils: Ask Nokia to put 1 day all Linux engineers in a coding sprint to fix support for 770/N8x0 in recent kernels, that would be a good service to the community IMO. | 01:20 |
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| timeless | eh? | 01:21 |
| timeless | imagine that nokia had 100 |linux engineers" | 01:21 |
| benson | heheh. | 01:21 |
| timeless | imagine 98 of them have nothing to do w/ kernel | 01:21 |
| benson | exactly. | 01:21 |
| timeless | how do you want to arrange these engineers in your 1 day? | 01:21 |
| timeless | note: these numbers are totally random | 01:21 |
| timeless | but probably not disproportionate | 01:22 |
| benson | Also, coordination between 100 people on a 1-day project. | 01:22 |
| timeless | benson: that too | 01:22 |
| benson | ROFL | 01:22 |
| benson | BTW, that was a quote from solca; afraid that was unclear... | 01:23 |
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| benson | Accidentally pasted it with a newline, and so couldn't edit it. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm in favor of having 1 Nokia engineer a day force benson to code up the support in 100 days. :P | 01:24 |
| timeless | anyone here ever used image viewer to do anything other than "view" images? | 01:25 |
| benson | Ummm... I think it does resizing/cropping? I think I've done that once. | 01:25 |
| timeless | did it work? | 01:25 |
| benson | But I don't use it much for viewing them, either. Quiver for that. | 01:26 |
| benson | Yes, I think so. | 01:26 |
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| timeless | if you select crop | 01:26 |
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| timeless | there's a toolbar at the bottom | 01:26 |
| * benson opens image viewer | 01:26 | |
| timeless | would you expect it to say "Crop:" [....|v] or "Crop" [....|v] | 01:26 |
| benson | No. | 01:27 |
| benson | I'd expect: "Ratio:" | 01:27 |
| timeless | ok | 01:27 |
| benson | But "Crop:" would be the better of those two. | 01:28 |
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| benson | Rule of thumb: when in doubt, change it. | 01:28 |
| * timeless nods | 01:28 | |
| benson | Nokia didn't get it right. | 01:28 |
| timeless | i'll try ratio: | 01:28 |
| timeless | w/ that, i can drop 'ratio' from Default and |Screen | 01:28 |
| timeless | ok, next | 01:29 |
| timeless | what does 'Default ratio' actually mean? | 01:29 |
| benson | The same ratio as the image has. | 01:30 |
| benson | "keep ratio"? | 01:30 |
| * timeless doesn't think so | 01:30 | |
| timeless | play w/ them a bit | 01:30 |
| timeless | i think it actually means '(none)' | 01:30 |
| benson | No, unlocked. | 01:31 |
| benson | Yes. | 01:31 |
| timeless | so, i should try 'Keep ratio:' | 01:31 |
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| timeless | or 'Fix ratio:' ? | 01:31 |
| * timeless isn't sure 'Fix' would be understood | 01:31 | |
| benson | "Force ratio:"? | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, fix your email client. :P Plain text is better. | 01:32 |
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| * timeless ponders | 01:33 | |
| timeless | Force ratio: (none) | 01:33 |
| timeless | doesn't seem to work | 01:33 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: Is it wrecking things, or did I just apply formatting? | 01:33 |
| timeless | Fixed radio: ? | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, the quoting is really weird. | 01:33 |
| * benson looks to see what's up with gmail and using plaintext for specific messages... | 01:34 | |
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| benson | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I can use plaintext for list email. Would you mind forwarding me one of my emails that came through? I'm curious how exactly they're getting mangled. | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | benson, let me grab a screenshoot | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | benson, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/bensons-email.jpg | 01:42 |
| benson | Thx | 01:43 |
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| * timeless got a notification icon in the top left corner for a moment | 01:44 | |
| Mek | gnuton: are you aware that the qt in extras-devel is built without -fvisibility=hidden support? (while it would work just fine with that support) | 01:45 |
| Mek | gnuton: (I fixed it for me locally by adding an explicit -reduce-exports parameters to qt's configure call) | 01:46 |
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| gnuton | Mek: hei :D | 01:47 |
| Mek | hi :) | 01:47 |
| gnuton | Mek: I know that it's built without -fvisibility=hidden | 01:47 |
| Mek | is that intentional? | 01:48 |
| gnuton | no | 01:48 |
| gnuton | but I've to check what -reduce-exports does | 01:49 |
| gnuton | actually does | 01:49 |
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| gnuton | Mek: why do you need it? | 01:49 |
| Mek | gnuton: otherwise I have to manually disable -fvisibility=hidden support in everything using qt as well, because when code is compiled against a qt without support for it QT_EXPORT (and similar macros) are defined as no-ops... | 01:51 |
| Mek | (and thus I end up with libraries with only hidden symbols) | 01:51 |
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| gnuton | okay | 01:53 |
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| crashanddie | that karma issue sure raises some voices ;- | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, angry man. :P | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | angry? | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | Who says I'm angry? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie: "rawr karma" | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'm a bit touchy on the subject | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your response to Jaffa certainly didn't SOUND calm to me. ;) | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | hey I voted for the guy, I'd better keep him in line with my opinions :P | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | plus, unless you're blind and have a screen reader, my emails don't sound anything to anyone | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just, a hint, though, the angry approach tends to bias people against your position, not attract them to it. :) | 02:09 |
| * lcuk could hear the beasty boys "you gotta fight" | 02:09 | |
| crashanddie | I'm not angry | 02:09 |
| lcuk | "for your right" | 02:09 |
| lcuk | "to parrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty" | 02:09 |
| lcuk | ahem | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | just because I don't take (have?) the time to be very diplomatic (and I can be) doesn't mean I'm angry | 02:10 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: but yes, point taken, I'll try to be more... conservative | 02:10 |
| * lcuk can see the veins popping :P | 02:10 | |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: nothing personal though, right? | 02:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He's asleep. :P | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | I might sound like an ass, but buy me a beer and I'm cute and cuddling like a pet turtoise | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll have to idle for the next 8 hours or so to make peace. ;) | 02:11 |
| gnuton | Mek: is it more faster? What's the size of Gui lib? | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | bleh, just got home from the office | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | gotta finish a document, sure hope it won't take me 8 hours | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I find it surprising though that you did not voice your opinion more than through sarcasm | 02:13 |
| Mek | gnuton: I have no idea if it makes a difference for anything (and my libQtGui.so is 10567940 bytes) | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, good, I'm making some progress, then, I guess. ;) | 02:14 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: by not being on *every* thread? | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, that's clearly a false accusation. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never contributed to any Android thread. :P | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | and who am I to blame you | 02:15 |
| gnuton | Mek: Cool the mine is 12.3 Mb | 02:15 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa in germany or something like that, right? | 02:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa's at home in the UK as far as I'm aware | 02:16 |
| Mek | btw, just to add to the karma discussion, I think submitting pacakges to extras-devel should give at least some karma (even if the packages are 'only' libraries normal users won't care about) | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil is/was in Germany, though. | 02:16 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 02:18 |
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| crashanddie | google tells me he's either in the west midlands or in manchester | 02:18 |
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| crashanddie | not close enough to ask for forgiveness with stella | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How's work these days, crashanddie? | 02:22 |
| genewitch | ok i got mer-VM installed | 02:22 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: seeing I got home around midnight should give you a hint :) | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: busy, very | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:23 |
| genewitch | Now i just have to hunt for source packages | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: not travelling too much at the moment, just having my job shifting a bit | 02:24 |
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| genewitch | anyone here use the VMware Mer release? | 02:32 |
| genewitch | i just have a quick question about compilation re: architecture | 02:33 |
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| genewitch | Stskeeps: you alive? | 02:52 |
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| crashanddie | 85.9% of the full Stargate SG1 series done \o/ | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I never could get into SG1 | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the way through Doctor Who series 2 at the moment. | 03:00 |
| crashanddie | Ah, still with Rose then :) | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | To be honest, I'm more of an Atlantis fan than an SG1 | 03:01 |
| genewitch | ./configure --host=arm | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I stopped having access to SciFi once they really started pushing Atlantis. | 03:01 |
| genewitch | anyone know what else i have to do other than that? | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | but considering I'm running through SGA as an American goes through a pile of burgers, I need some sustanance | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | whatever the spelling of that word is | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:03 |
| genewitch | sustenance. | 03:03 |
| genewitch | Americans can spell it. | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had Krystal burger on the trip back up from home the other day | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmmmm | 03:03 |
| genewitch | ;-) | 03:03 |
| * benson becomes hungry. | 03:04 | |
| lcuk | BACON! | 03:04 |
| * benson becomes starving. | 03:04 | |
| * GeneralAntilles hits lcuk with a cast-iron skillet. | 03:04 | |
| * benson examines fridge. | 03:05 | |
| benson | No bacon :( | 03:05 |
| * benson commences frying sausage instead. | 03:06 | |
| crashanddie | genewitch: oh well, one word I spelled wrong, knowingly... let's not get into the spelling conversation :) Aluminium vs aluminum, thru vs through, herbs pronounced "erbs"... | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . "her-b" | 03:06 |
| sisto | have you guys listened to Quim Gil on FLOSS Weekly? | 03:08 |
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| sisto | I'm listening to the interview right now | 03:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sisto, there's also a video somewhere | 03:08 |
| sisto | I wonder if he talks about the new tablets :| | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sisto, there's not been an announcement yet. :) | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | take care everyone | 03:09 |
| sisto | crashanddie: bye | 03:10 |
| sisto | GeneralAntilles: come one | 03:10 |
| sisto | on | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, crashanddie. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, what do you mean? | 03:10 |
| sisto | I mean... announce it already Nokia | 03:10 |
| sisto | :) | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, Quim's not going to make an announcement before it's actually announced. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe the Mobile World Congress | 03:11 |
| * benson is optimistic about MWC | 03:12 | |
| sisto | mobile world congress? when is it? | 03:13 |
| sisto | oh i checked | 03:13 |
| sisto | it's soon | 03:13 |
| benson | 14th I think | 03:13 |
| sisto | ya | 03:13 |
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| * sisto joins the optimism about MWC | 03:14 | |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: I gave in and bought an N810. | 03:14 |
| benson | You still holding out? | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | benson, I think I came to my senses | 03:15 |
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| GAN800 | Something's eating my desktop. . . . | 03:15 |
| sisto | you'll have to wait a while between the announcement and actually being able to have one | 03:15 |
| Jucato | what will happen to the n810 when Maemo 5 comes out? I'm guessing it can't be backported to the device completely (like the Clutter sutff)? | 03:16 |
| sisto | probably a coupe of months? | 03:16 |
| benson | Jucato: Well, they'll probably fade out of retail. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, beta SDK is out in ~May | 03:17 |
| Jucato | benson: besides that. I already have one :) | 03:17 |
| * Jucato is more concerned about updates/support/etc :) | 03:17 | |
| benson | But even without clutter, Maemo 5 should be quite an improvement. | 03:17 |
| benson | No Maemo5/N8x0 from Nokia. | 03:18 |
| sisto | I believe OS2008 was backported to 770 and 800 right? | 03:18 |
| benson | But they want to see successful community backport. | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, the N810 and the N800 are the same hardware | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia isn't going the Hacker Edition route for Maemo 5 on OMAP2 this time | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead they're going to support a community backport. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 03:19 |
| sisto | what about continued updates for OS2008? | 03:19 |
| infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 03:19 |
| Jucato | oh well.. I'll just need to convince (read: hypnotize) myself that this n810 is the only possible/feasible choice I have atm :/ | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | sisto, we've got one or two more. | 03:19 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 03:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I need a new machine | 03:20 |
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| genewitch | i hate compile errors | 03:22 |
| genewitch | that are the developer's fault. | 03:22 |
| Jucato | GeneralAntilles: then after that/those update(s), any further updates would be community-based/3rd party? or will there be no updates at all after that? | 03:23 |
| genewitch | that i have to go in and fix the code before the quote "STABLE RELEASE" unquote will compile | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jucato: | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 03:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 03:23 |
| * Jucato has been seeing this Mer without knowing what it is... thanks for the link | 03:23 | |
| benson | Mer is Maemo 5 based, so no further Maemo 4 updates after Nokia stops. | 03:24 |
| Jucato | "Supporting tablet hardware no longer receiving updated OS software by Nokia." <-- ok that's what I needed to hear :) | 03:24 |
| Jucato | er.. ouch.. ok :( | 03:24 |
| genewitch | would maemo5 be ~= to OS2008? | 03:24 |
| genewitch | er 2009 | 03:24 |
| * Jucato hopes that Maemo 5 will somehow be able to run on the n810... modified of course.. | 03:24 | |
| benson | Jucato: That's called Mer | 03:26 |
| benson | OS2008 is Maemo 4 | 03:26 |
| benson | Fremantle, Maemo 5 | 03:26 |
| genewitch | there's already people in here working on freemantle -> n8x0, though, right? | 03:27 |
| Jucato | benson: but you said Mer is Maemo 5 based? | 03:27 |
| benson | Mer, also Maemo 5, but built on Ubuntu with as little closed stuff as possible/ | 03:27 |
| Jucato | er ok. | 03:27 |
| Jucato | Mer = Maemo 5 that can run on N810? | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | genewitch, that's called Mer. | 03:27 |
| genewitch | i am using mer right now as we speak | 03:27 |
| benson | So it can be community distributed on to run on N800 and N8x0 | 03:27 |
| benson | but also on completely unrelated devices. | 03:27 |
| Jucato | (or rather maemo 5 based running on n810) | 03:27 |
| genewitch | i'm seeing what i can port to ARM | 03:27 |
| Jucato | hm. ok.. I guess I can breath a sigh of relief now :) | 03:28 |
| genewitch | is the --build=armv61-unknown-linux-gnu --host=arm the right config flags? | 03:30 |
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| sisto | I didn't listen much that I didn't already know on Gil's interview... I want my time back :P | 03:36 |
| benson | sisto: You know he was in a sauna. | 03:36 |
| sisto | I guess the steam got into his head | 03:37 |
| sisto | haha | 03:37 |
| benson | But yeah, not really any new info. | 03:37 |
| benson | The sauna, BTW, was off. | 03:38 |
| benson | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261245#post261245 | 03:38 |
| * Jucato is still listening to qgil's interview... | 03:45 | |
| sisto | what if someone backport android's sdk to maemo and we can have android apps? it's just an idea I am thinking about right now | 03:47 |
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| ppires | hi all. just followed the instructions in the Maemo Diable Reference Manual for maemo 4.1 for recompiling a kernel and flashing the device. | 03:56 |
| ppires | now the device boots, and i can click in some stuff for some seconds.. but then it freezes and reboots | 03:57 |
| ppires | anyone has any idea of what's going on, or how can i debug this? | 03:57 |
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| ppires | what's the default config for n810? | 04:04 |
| ppires | nokia_2420_defconfig, right? | 04:04 |
| genewitch | i don't think there are any awake developers in here right now | 04:04 |
| ppires | :-( | 04:06 |
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| benson | ppires: I've heard that it's not actually the config used. | 04:07 |
| benson | but I don't know what is. | 04:07 |
| sisto | do you think the android sdk could be backported to meamo? | 04:08 |
| benson | ? You mean actually run the SDK, not Android? | 04:09 |
| ppires | benson: damn.. the things boots and shows the ui and it's usable for 5 seconds or so | 04:09 |
| benson | sisto: Yes, but you could shoot yourself in the head, instead. It'd be faster. | 04:10 |
| benson | sisto: the Android SDK emulates an ARM. Emulation is not fast. | 04:10 |
| sisto | benson: that's another option | 04:10 |
| benson | Perhaps a better option would be porting Dalvik to run natively in Maemo | 04:11 |
| benson | Then, with fairly little additional magic, Android apps would work in Maemo. | 04:11 |
| ppires | benson: i've not copied modules. could it be the issue? | 04:11 |
| benson | ppires: I wonder if it works better if you disable the watchdog? | 04:12 |
| ppires | benson: how can i do that? | 04:12 |
| benson | ppires: about modules, could be. | 04:12 |
| benson | IDK, I've never compiled a kernel for the tablet. | 04:12 |
| ppires | how can i boot the system in single mode? | 04:12 |
| ppires | something that allows me to get the modules there | 04:13 |
| benson | heheh. You don't? | 04:14 |
| benson | What initfs are you using? | 04:14 |
| ppires | 2008-43 | 04:14 |
| benson | If you've got bootmenu, you probably (hopefully) have some remote access options. | 04:15 |
| benson | Since you're running stock... probably only serial console. | 04:15 |
| ppires | benson: just flashed it yesterday. the only thing i did was to recompile the kernel and flash it | 04:15 |
| benson | Then just reflash, if there's nothing important on it? | 04:17 |
| * benson is a moron. | 04:17 | |
| ppires | well nothing important really | 04:17 |
| benson | Um, just reflash the factory kernel only. | 04:17 |
| benson | Not sure why I didn't think of that. | 04:17 |
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| * b-man finally finishes porting all mer/deblet base system packages to the ubuntu repo but is a little disappointed when he notices xserver-xorg-input-tslibs doesn't work properly... :\ ugh :P | 04:19 | |
| ppires | benson: do u know where can i find it? instead of the entire .bin? | 04:19 |
| benson | No, I don't think you can. | 04:19 |
| benson | But no need to, the .bin will do. | 04:19 |
| * benson RTFMs | 04:20 | |
| benson | http://www.hopelesscase.com/linuxnotes/flasher-3.0-static | 04:21 |
| benson | Use --flash-only kernel | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flasher | 04:22 |
| infobot | [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 04:22 |
| Jucato | has anyone here been able to make rtcomm work on Diablo? | 04:22 |
| benson | You could also use --unpack to extract the kernel, if you needed it separately. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jucato, well, rtcomm is shipped as part of the OS | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, um, everyone. | 04:22 |
| ppires | yeah just saw that option in the flasher, thanks benson | 04:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you mean the rtcomm beta, then, no, I haven't had success trying to install the one from Extras-devel. | 04:22 |
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| Jucato | GeneralAntilles: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 04:23 |
| benson | GeneralAntilles: thx, I'm a lazy google-addict. | 04:23 |
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| Jucato | I was pointed to that one when I asked how to be able to integrate other IM protocols into N810's chat and contacts | 04:23 |
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| Jucato | (with telepathy-haze apparently) | 04:24 |
| Jucato | but the repos are for chinook, so I've got version mismatches... | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to harass the rtcomm guys about putting ALL of the required packages into Extras. . . . | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jucato, add the Collabora repo and install accounts-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze | 04:25 |
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| Jucato | thank | 04:26 |
| Jucato | ~collabra | 04:26 |
| RockyDd | can I change the default 'accept' request header for the browser? for | 04:26 |
| Jucato | ehehe. google time :) | 04:26 |
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| RockyDd | what's the name of the default browser | 04:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MicroB | 04:30 |
| Jucato | ~collabora | 04:31 |
| Jucato | heh no wonder I'm not getting search results.. stupid typos :) | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=167 | 04:31 |
| Jucato | GeneralAntilles: are you the only one who can do infobot queries? (so that I will stop trying :P) | 04:33 |
| benson | ~infobot | 04:33 |
| infobot | from memory, infobot is me. I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. | 04:33 |
| benson | :p | 04:33 |
| benson | No, jusy only things the infobot knows about work. | 04:34 |
| benson | s/sy/st/ | 04:34 |
| infobot | benson meant: No, just only things the infobot knows about work. | 04:34 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 04:34 |
| Jucato | oh cool! a sed bot too :) | 04:34 |
| benson | Cool, if a little annoying at times. I can read sed, I don't (usually) need a bot to explain it to me. | 04:35 |
| benson | s/bot/moron/ | 04:35 |
| infobot | benson meant: Cool, if a little annoying at times. I can read sed, I don't (usually) need a moron to explain it to me. | 04:35 |
| benson | It can be fun, though. ;) | 04:35 |
| Jucato | s/fun/annoying/ | 04:36 |
| Jucato | (though I know it only works on what *you* said) | 04:36 |
| Jucato | s/said/sed/ | 04:36 |
| infobot | Jucato meant: (though I know it only works on what *you* sed) | 04:36 |
| b-man | ~burn himself | 04:36 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 04:36 | |
| b-man | lol XD | 04:36 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 04:36 |
| benson | ~lart himself for not having the good grace to perish when ignited. | 04:38 |
| * infobot lowers himself's priority for not having the good grace to perish when ignited. | 04:38 | |
| b-man | infobot: blow up | 04:39 |
| * infobot blows up | 04:39 | |
| b-man | lol | 04:39 |
| benson | We should stop playing with the bot, the grown-ups will come. ;) | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where is a new telepathy/haze? | 04:39 |
| b-man | hehe | 04:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | :P | 04:39 |
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| b-man | hehe | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, no wonder haze isn't available. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008-October/003016.html | 04:41 |
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| Jucato | GeneralAntilles: the repo link you gave was for chinook though... trying to change the repo part to diablo | 04:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=248 | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jucato, this is a mess. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to go and harass some people about cleaning this up. | 04:45 |
| Jucato | hehe thanks :) | 04:45 |
| benson | Yay for harassment! | 04:45 |
| Jucato | I must say though, that I was a bit surprised that the built-in contacts didn't support Yahoo!Messenger... not that I'm really complaining... just bewildered :) | 04:45 |
| benson | Double-yay for me not having to be involved on either end of it! | 04:46 |
| Jucato | woe is me having more YM contacts than Google/Jabber ones :( | 04:46 |
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| Jucato | (yay no MSN though :P) | 04:46 |
| * benson must be antisocial... | 04:47 | |
| benson | Only ~6 contacts, all family. | 04:47 |
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| Jucato | or you just haven't asked your friends for theirs.. or your friends haven't asked yours :) | 04:47 |
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| benson | Hmmm... and that doesn't sound antisocial enough? ;p | 04:48 |
| Jucato | nope | 04:48 |
| Jucato | it might be that your friends just don't care :) | 04:48 |
| benson | Oh, cool, they're antisocial too. | 04:49 |
| benson | I should start an antisocial networking site for folks like us. XD | 04:49 |
| Jucato | or just mean :) | 04:49 |
| Jucato | heheh antisocial networking :) | 04:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jucato, it'd require licensing and legal agreements with MSN/Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/whatever. | 04:50 |
| Jucato | ah | 04:50 |
| Jucato | since it's being distributed commercially? (unlike software like Pidgin/Kopete?) | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Essentially | 04:51 |
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| Jucato | ah well, I can create an account and seemingly connect.. but can't seem to send messages.. | 05:04 |
| Jucato | (Network Error) | 05:04 |
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| Jucato | ah it seems I can connect, but can't send... | 05:09 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090204_005635.lib.scr.png :) | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | liqos | 05:17 |
| lcuk | standing on the shoulders mate :) linux has a good heart | 05:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid piece of shit client | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Occasionally new messages cause the window they appear in to stop drawing. <_< | 05:22 |
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| benson | lcuk: Can it read mail? (Zawinski's law!) | 05:25 |
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| lcuk | benson :) no i dont know it. but if you do, you are free to make a widget that does | 05:27 |
| benson | Well, if such a widget can be made, you are all but guaranteed survival! | 05:28 |
| benson | http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Z/Zawinskis-Law.html | 05:28 |
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| lcuk | !! | 05:29 |
| lcuk | i need to go back to bed anyway :) gnite | 05:30 |
| b-man | see ya lcuk | 05:30 |
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| benson | nite | 05:30 |
| * b-man fixed the xserver-xorg-input-tslibs problem btw, just uploaded an un-modified version from mer repo :P | 05:31 | |
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| genewitch | tee: /proc/sys/kernel/vdso: Operation not permitted :-( | 06:22 |
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| genewitch | error: "Operation not permitted" setting key "vm.vdso_enabled" | 06:25 |
| genewitch | grrrrrrr | 06:25 |
| genewitch | why is that vdso breaking everything | 06:28 |
| genewitch | i can't edit the value of that on my shell | 06:28 |
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| skibur | hey | 06:40 |
| skibur | can we run java apps on N800 Diablo? | 06:41 |
| Mousey | HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA, no | 06:43 |
| Mousey | sucks eh? | 06:43 |
| Mousey | WELL I AGREE!! | 06:43 |
| Mousey | write your local nokia representative!! | 06:43 |
| Mousey | lol | 06:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, well, that's not entirely accurate | 06:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jalimo is available. | 06:43 |
| Mousey | that's not an entire jvm, so i guess you're right. | 06:43 |
| Mousey | ;) | 06:43 |
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| skibur | so I can't use Javac ? | 06:49 |
| genewitch | so we need a java port? | 06:50 |
| skibur | so javac hasn't been ported? | 06:52 |
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| slonopotamus | morning | 07:37 |
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| kessu | hi, i installed dropbear-server os2008 but forgot to set any passwd for root, has diablo root any default passwd? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | 'rootme' maybe | 09:50 |
| kessu | thanks i try that | 09:50 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: poke | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox720.jpg <- Mer on a Pocket Loox 720 | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morning Meiz_n810 | 10:30 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning Sts | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: was bored earlier: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox720.jpg :> | 10:31 |
| timeless | hello world | 10:34 |
| timeless | where do bugs in MaemoPad live? | 10:34 |
| timeless | does the SDK actually cover it? | 10:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: neat, how big is that screen? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: 480x640 | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how much in inch | 10:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 10:35 |
| benson | 3.6" | 10:35 |
| * benson was already looking up the device. | 10:35 | |
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| Stskeeps | besides the fact you need Haret to run linux, it's surprisingly friendly | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | and i has touchscreen! | 10:53 |
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| timeless | oh brother | 10:55 |
| * timeless kicks maemopad | 10:55 | |
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| genewitch | can someone help me with scratchbox install | 11:01 |
| genewitch | prtyplz | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | genewitch: using debian/ubuntu and using the scripts usually does the trick | 11:03 |
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| genewitch | Stskeeps: hey | 11:10 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i am in ubuntu 32 | 11:10 |
| genewitch | i'm getting error after error after error | 11:10 |
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| genewitch | root@genewitch-desktop:/home/genewitch# scratchbox | 11:12 |
| genewitch | ERROR: Not allowed to run this as root! | 11:12 |
| genewitch | genewitch@genewitch-desktop:~$ scratchbox | 11:12 |
| genewitch | bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied | 11:12 |
| genewitch | guess what i /scratchbox/sbin/adduser named | 11:12 |
| timeless | stskeeps: did you get around to using my debs? | 11:13 |
| genewitch | :-( | 11:15 |
| genewitch | where is the "run_this_first" script in scratchbox | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: did you add yourself with the sbox adduser thing? | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | and re-login? | 11:18 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: what does relogin mean | 11:19 |
| genewitch | i'm in a terminal in xwindows | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: log in your user again to refresh your group permissions | 11:19 |
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| genewitch | oh, i can reboot. | 11:19 |
| timeless | you could just use 'login' | 11:20 |
| timeless | or ssh localhost | 11:20 |
| genewitch | its in a vm | 11:20 |
| genewitch | i'm rebooting | 11:20 |
| genewitch | this is the third try for getting a devel environment | 11:20 |
| timeless | just grab the one from mozilla.org | 11:21 |
| genewitch | timeless: i tried the mer vdmk | 11:23 |
| genewitch | i tried using my shell account but no vdso | 11:23 |
| timeless | Mer isn't a scratchbox... | 11:23 |
| timeless | it's the real OS | 11:23 |
| * timeless grumbles | 11:24 | |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg <- we so need a better 480x640 theme | 11:26 |
| * timeless frowns | 11:26 | |
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| * timeless can't find it anymore | 11:26 | |
| timeless | yeah, that doesn't scale well | 11:27 |
| timeless | sts: can you switch to 'stretched', or is that stretched? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: hmm? didn't touch wallpaper | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | touchscreen driver dries out :) | 11:27 |
| genewitch | timeless: ok so i installed mer vdmk | 11:27 |
| genewitch | and i couldn't get anything to compile | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: apt-get build-essential | 11:28 |
| genewitch | it looked like the n800 | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: apt-get install build-essential | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | maybe dpkg-dev too | 11:28 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i have [sbox-: ~] | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: ok, so what are you trying to develop for exactly :) | 11:28 |
| timeless | if you're using mer, there's no point in using scratchbox | 11:28 |
| timeless | scratchbox is for when your host isn't debian | 11:29 |
| timeless | e.g. CentOS | 11:29 |
| timeless | or at least, that's that way it should be | 11:29 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i've been trying to 12 hours and now i'm drunk. but i have an sbox login | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: er.. scratchbox is for accelerating cross-compilation | 11:29 |
| genewitch | so i figure that's ready. | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: well, i meant, what OS are you trying to develop for :) | 11:29 |
| timeless | sts: sure | 11:29 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: er... armv61 n800 | 11:29 |
| genewitch | i want to port stuff for the people who use it | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: yes, that's the machine, what OS? :P | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo or Mer | 11:30 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: OS2008 | 11:30 |
| timeless | don't use Mer then | 11:30 |
| genewitch | the OS i have | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | alright - then you should look at the SDK VMDK's of Maemo then | 11:30 |
| timeless | grab a nice simple CentOS VMware image w/ scratchbox | 11:30 |
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| genewitch | timeless: that was like 8 hours ago | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is a seperate OS :) | 11:30 |
| genewitch | i installed ubuntu fresh | 11:30 |
| genewitch | from ubuntu disc | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:31 |
| timeless | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:31 |
| genewitch | i used the two scripts | 11:31 |
| timeless | that's one | 11:31 |
| timeless | http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/702 | 11:31 |
| timeless | is another | 11:31 |
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| * RockyDd wants to install git in n810 | 11:31 | |
| timeless | rockydd: iirc it's available | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/g/git-core/ | 11:32 |
| RockyDd | what? | 11:32 |
| timeless | x-fade: stupid question | 11:33 |
| timeless | would you object if i renamed 'Internet call' to 'VoIP' ? | 11:33 |
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| X-Fade | Regular users wouldn't know VoIP.. | 11:33 |
| timeless | ok | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | I would know what it is.. | 11:34 |
| timeless | so, here's my problem | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | But my sister woud not.. | 11:34 |
| timeless | Internet call - This is Long | 11:34 |
| timeless | When I try calling someone | 11:34 |
| timeless | I see: | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | net call? web call? :) | 11:34 |
| timeless | Internet Call - Thomas Some... | 11:34 |
| timeless | and Some isn't guaranteed to be unique | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Get rid of the ... and get 3 chars more ;) | 11:35 |
| timeless | x-fade: beyond my control | 11:35 |
| timeless | Net Call would buy me a couple of chars | 11:35 |
| timeless | how about: | 11:36 |
| timeless | 'net Call ? | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | timeless: iCall [tm] ;) | 11:37 |
| timeless | mCall? | 11:37 |
| timeless | not going there | 11:37 |
| RST38h | SIP. | 11:37 |
| timeless | rst38h: the question again is "would your sister understand?" | 11:37 |
| timeless | x-fade veto'd VoIP | 11:37 |
| timeless | X-Fade: Voice Chat? :) | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | net call is already streching it.. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | Phonebook -> Call | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| timeless | i can't just use "Call" | 11:38 |
| timeless | i'd be arrested when someone couldn't make an e911 call | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | in MCE there's emergency call stuff :P | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | and some handler for emergency calls.. i'm sure it'll be there eventually | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Heh, imagine the horror when you translate that into Dutch "Internet gesprek" | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | No space left ;) | 11:39 |
| genewitch | i got voip working nicely | 11:41 |
| genewitch | the other night | 11:41 |
| genewitch | voip was well worth the $150 i spent | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | i seriously wonder who that Huang Gao guy is on maemo-developers | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm curiously thinking it's those chinese internet tablet guys :P | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Probably some OEM.. | 11:42 |
| genewitch | is the SDK supposed to be installed in scratchbox? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the scripts will install into scratchbox | 11:42 |
| timeless | so... | 11:43 |
| timeless | i still need a string | 11:43 |
| timeless | I'm tempted to use Voice Chat | 11:43 |
| timeless | it buys me 3 chars | 11:43 |
| timeless | which isn't bad | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Sounds reasonable. | 11:43 |
| timeless | ok | 11:43 |
| * timeless wonders what "Call does not support video" means | 11:45 | |
| X-Fade | Other party doesn't support video ? | 11:45 |
| timeless | nope | 11:46 |
| genewitch | OIC | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | "No chance for webcam sex, dude." | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:46 |
| genewitch | you know | 11:46 |
| timeless | "Remote client unable to support video" | 11:46 |
| genewitch | the docs don't say that | 11:46 |
| timeless | =. "Remote party does not support video" | 11:46 |
| timeless | what's a client and why did my user -- oh nevermind | 11:46 |
| timeless | "End current call to start new call" | 11:47 |
| genewitch | PEER CLOSED CONN | 11:47 |
| genewitch | er | 11:47 |
| genewitch | ^ | 11:47 |
| timeless | ok, so... | 11:47 |
| timeless | is it true that you can only have one Voice Chat open at a time? | 11:48 |
| timeless | => "Can only have one Voice Chat at a time" | 11:48 |
| timeless | ? | 11:48 |
| genewitch | where? | 11:49 |
| timeless | 'Internet call' | 11:49 |
| timeless | (name changed locally) | 11:49 |
| genewitch | timeless: i've never tried to start more than one, but i can | 11:50 |
| genewitch | you want me to try? | 11:50 |
| genewitch | ...? | 11:51 |
| timeless | sure | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:52 |
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| genewitch | timeless: it won't let me open more than one internet call | 11:53 |
| genewitch | app | 11:53 |
| timeless | x-fade, app="Voice Chat", what would you use to describe the act of trying to connect to your party | 11:53 |
| timeless | if it were 'Internet call', it'd be 'calling' | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Call? | 11:54 |
| timeless | i'm vaguely trying to avoid using call* | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Connecting? | 11:54 |
| timeless | but if it's correct, i'll leave it out | 11:54 |
| timeless | it seems Connecting exists and is distinct | 11:54 |
| timeless | Calling is asking the other party for a chat | 11:54 |
| timeless | Connecting is when the other party says yes | 11:55 |
| timeless | and you need to establish a real channel | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Setup connection? | 11:55 |
| timeless | "Asking party to chat" ? | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Invite? | 11:55 |
| RST38h | http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/ykb3399/21598.html | 11:55 |
| timeless | Inviting seems ok | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | disclaimer: non-native speaker ;) | 11:56 |
| * timeless wonders what "Call unauthorized" means | 11:56 | |
| X-Fade | If the other party doesn't have you in his list? | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | Has not approved you? | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Means "fuck off". Uses less chars. Sister will understand. | 11:57 |
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| timeless | heh | 11:57 |
| timeless | x-fade: yeah | 11:57 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what gadgets in his office doesn't run Mer yet. | 11:59 | |
| timeless | heh | 12:00 |
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| X-Fade | I have a Agenda VR3 that needs Mer too ;) | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Although that hardware is pretty old.. | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure ubuntu has a MIPS port | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | still, this pocket loox thing isn't that bad. i mean: 520mhz, 128mb, wifi, infrared, bluetooth, SD, CF | 12:04 |
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| RST38h | Sts: If you can replace WinMo on an arbitrary HTC device, you have got a winner onyour hands | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if a linux kernel boots.. hmm | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is always the winmo need to do HaRet stuff | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | No way to rewrite its MSDOS.SYS file? =) | 12:07 |
| timeless | so... | 12:07 |
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| RockyDd | I had add the repository of extras-devel, why I can't install git? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install git-core from terminal then | 12:12 |
| RockyDd | it's not in the list | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it prolly isn't user/ | 12:13 |
| * Jaffa reads scrollback and'll happily accept a beer from crashanddie at the next summit :) | 12:13 | |
| RockyDd | oh, I see, out of disk space :( | 12:14 |
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| RockyDd | what does 'osso' stands for? | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | heh jaffa, i personally think we should invest in our own brewery | 12:20 |
| lcuk | we can make the excuse its research and development for fuel cells for the next gentablet ;) | 12:21 |
| lcuk | "a little nip for me, and one for my n9000. hic" | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | RockyDd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 12:22 |
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| genewitch | after i "make" something in scratchbox, how do i move the finished product to my device for testing? | 12:25 |
| genewitch | i'm making kismet right now | 12:25 |
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| RockyDd | can i install software to the internal 2G SD card? | 12:41 |
| genewitch | RockyDd: it does by default i thin | 12:41 |
| genewitch | if you have it in there\ | 12:42 |
| genewitch | i havent' run out of space yet | 12:42 |
| genewitch | the internal card is synonymous with a hard disk | 12:42 |
| genewitch | the external SD card is like a CDROM or whatever | 12:42 |
| genewitch | yes? | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: No. | 12:42 |
| genewitch | ? | 12:43 |
| RockyDd | oh.. so | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | It installs software on the root fs. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | It doesn't use the internal 2gb for that. | 12:43 |
| RockyDd | right | 12:43 |
| RockyDd | can I change this? | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | RockyDd: You can create symlinks.. | 12:44 |
| RST38h | genewitch: All your software goes to / | 12:44 |
| RockyDd | oh, right. | 12:44 |
| RST38h | genewitch: cards are /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2/ , they are normally formatted as FAT and cannot contain any executables | 12:44 |
| RST38h | I.e. you can put an exacutable binary there but it will not run | 12:45 |
| genewitch | ok so i was wrong | 12:45 |
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| genewitch | now what about my question from 20 minutes ago? | 12:45 |
| genewitch | :-) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: If you symlink, the symlinked binary still will not run | 12:45 |
| RockyDd | can I format it to ext3? | 12:45 |
| RST38h | genewitch: Please repeat | 12:45 |
| genewitch | after i "make" something in scratchbox, how do i move the finished product to my device for testing? | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | RockyDd: Yes, you can. But know that your maps are on the 2GB part. | 12:46 |
| genewitch | i've made kismet. | 12:46 |
| genewitch | :-) | 12:46 |
| RST38h | genewitch: you can do it with scp for example | 12:46 |
| RockyDd | oh, got it. | 12:47 |
| genewitch | RST38h: i don't mean moving the actual files. how do i capture what make install does so that i can move those files to my device | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: Make a debian package? | 12:48 |
| RockyDd | why I didn't see the info for /media/mmc1 | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | genewitch: you have to make a deb file | 12:49 |
| RockyDd | i mean in the mount list | 12:49 |
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| RST38h | genewitch: good way to start would be to read documentation and howtos at maemo.org | 12:49 |
| genewitch | RST38h: yeah uh, the docs said to msg Stskeeps | 12:50 |
| genewitch | so. | 12:50 |
| genewitch | here i am | 12:50 |
| genewitch | :-D | 12:50 |
| genewitch | the arm build is complete | 12:50 |
| genewitch | i guess i can trial and error it though | 12:50 |
| genewitch | not that big of a deal | 12:50 |
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| X-Fade | genewitch: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 12:54 |
| RST38h | genewitch: The docs actually provideyou with A CLEAR EXAMPLE | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Lemme find it | 12:54 |
| RST38h | genewitch: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial/#development | 12:56 |
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| RST38h | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package/ | 12:58 |
| Jucato | (wow.. I thought I escaped debian packaging way back in kubuntu...) | 12:58 |
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| genewitch | neither of those links told me what i needed to know | 13:00 |
| genewitch | the first one, i ran the code listed | 13:00 |
| genewitch | and it says "are you in the source directory?" | 13:00 |
| genewitch | and yes, i already had run make in there. | 13:01 |
| genewitch | the binaries are completed | 13:01 |
| RockyDd | when I run git show, it says: pager: not found | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | export PAGER=more maybe | 13:02 |
| RockyDd | oh | 13:02 |
| RockyDd | yeah, it works! thanks | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: When you run make, you have a bunch of files that need to be installed all over the place. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: That is where packaging comes in.. | 13:04 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: right, that make install usually copies | 13:06 |
| genewitch | dpkg-checkbuilddeps -B | 13:07 |
| genewitch | : Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps | 13:07 |
| genewitch | test -x debian/rules | 13:07 |
| genewitch | make: *** [testdir] Error 1 | 13:07 |
| genewitch | do i need to copy the source directory to Mer? | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: So you don't have any debian files in there. | 13:07 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: yeah, i just have the source and the finished compile | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | That is why most people start off with a debian source package in the fist place ;) | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Or ubuntu source package of course.. | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: are you using Maemo SDK, right? :P | 13:08 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: wget <source URL>. tar -xzvf <source.tar.gz>. ./configure | 13:08 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: make | 13:08 |
| genewitch | that's what i've done. | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: This is not slackware. | 13:09 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: i'm in ubuntu with scratchbox and the SDK | 13:09 |
| genewitch | i'm currently IN scratchbox | 13:09 |
| suihkulokki | ... | 13:09 |
| genewitch | i downloaded source for what i wanted to compile | 13:09 |
| genewitch | i've compiled it | 13:09 |
| genewitch | i want it on my n800 now | 13:09 |
| genewitch | :-D | 13:09 |
| Myrtti | everythingtomenoworIwillhaveahissyfitplzgoddamnitnow | 13:10 |
| genewitch | er... sorry if i am coming off that way | 13:10 |
| genewitch | i'm a developer, sorta. i don't like jumping through 14 hours of hoops to build an application | 13:10 |
| genewitch | after it's explained once, i shouldn't have any problems again, as i've built slackware infinite times | 13:11 |
| * Stskeeps hands Myrtti knitting gear | 13:11 | |
| Myrtti | mmmmm yarn | 13:11 |
| genewitch | Myrtti: use a #14 needles | 13:11 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: it said to msg you if i wanted to do stuff for the project | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | genewitch: ah, yes, what are your interests? | 13:12 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i want to understand what to do after the application(sic) is compiles | 13:12 |
| genewitch | s/s/d/ | 13:12 |
| infobot | genewitch meant: Stdkeeps: i want to understand what to do after the application(sic) is compiles | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: i'm a bit curious what you're doing right now, did you get Maemo SDK, and running it on a Ubuntu VM, for targetting OS2008, right? | 13:12 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i'm a security auditor, but i like playing with operating systems. I've been using bsd/linux since 1997, installing pretty much every major flavor of linux since before redhat went to fedora core. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: alright, and scratchbox makes the best of us go into a raging fit once in a while, just so you don't think you're going crazy :) | 13:14 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: well, yeah. i got kubuntu 32 bit, installed it in vmware, got it all set up and updated. then followed the directions with some help from this channel to get the scratchbox and SDK in there | 13:14 |
| genewitch | i have your mer vmdk on vmware as well, but not using it right now | 13:14 |
| genewitch | i think it's yours at least | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, is my production | 13:14 |
| genewitch | yes, it rocks, btw. good work | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, we're always in need of more hands | 13:14 |
| genewitch | :-) i'll port what i can. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | we have entire ubuntu catalogue, which helps a lot on things | 13:15 |
| genewitch | i'm just trying kismet as i know i've successfully built it from source before | 13:15 |
| genewitch | it doesn't matter that it won't do anything useful, i just want to learn the whole "developing in a sandbox" paradigm | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, Mer is trying to move a bit away from that, seeing scratchbox as an accelerator of compilation, not what defines the target platform | 13:17 |
| gene800 | on n800 for a minute | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (or at least, i am trying to move it away from that) | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | regarding Mer participation, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People - basically send a small email to me what you do / interested in / etc, and then read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and current Sprint is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.8 | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | and you'll get a jaiku invite to be able to render your activities visible | 13:19 |
| gene800 | sts i installed the vdmk earlier, but i couldn't compile from it; so i installed scratchbox on another vm | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: yeah, you can compile if you apt-get install build-essential dpkg-dev | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | like on a standard ubuntu | 13:19 |
| gene800 | Stskeeps, yeah but it tends to want to do x86 | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | well. if it compiles on x86, and you send source package to builder (scratchbox) it will work in 80% of cases, and if the scratchbox build fails, it tries armel native (95%, 5% is if the program is not ARM compatible) | 13:21 |
| gene800 | i don't want to sign up/ commit to anything that is technically unclear to me | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* i think we're just not documenting things that well yet | 13:22 |
| gene800 | sts prior statement is unclear | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | the VMDK is basically Mer OS, for x86 - you could even install it on a laptop and develop for that platform | 13:22 |
| gene800 | ok | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | we also have Mer for armel, where you can compile natively on that one too | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | and then we have Scratchbox SDK, which runs on x86, and cross-compiles to armel | 13:22 |
| timeless | you could also try using Mer-armel w/ system-qemu | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: yeah, we do | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | that's the armel builder :P | 13:23 |
| gene800 | sts i am using scratchbox sdk | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | lo yerga, cool that wordpy works on mer :) | 13:23 |
| yerga | Stskeeps, yeah it is :) | 13:24 |
| gene800 | kismet compiled ls shows green kismet-server etc. | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | gene800: and this is the Maemo SDK, right? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | (there's a big difference between Mer and Maemo SDK, so :P) | 13:24 |
| gene800 | sts | 13:24 |
| gene800 | Stskeeps, yes. ran both scripts and set it up | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | then you can probably just scp them to your device or something | 13:25 |
| genewitch | someone else mentioned dpkg | 13:25 |
| guerby | hi, is there a magic key to get out of a reboot loop on N810? I don't have the USB cable to reflash... | 13:26 |
| genewitch | building for it | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | (normally people start out by taking the Debian source package, then build it) | 13:26 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: hehe i build from straight tarballs 90% of the time | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: yeah.. and that makes things a bit difficult for tablet stuff | 13:26 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: it does? | 13:26 |
| genewitch | that's a pity | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | Nah, just use mud | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | genewitch: well, you have to move your binaries and resulting tree manually ; | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - for example vim package is built from upstream tarball with auto-Maemoification | 13:27 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i've never built a package before as i am usually just porting stuff for my own use to various OS/CPUs | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: *nod* | 13:27 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: so i guess what i should ask is... after i've compiled an app, what should i move to where to build a .deb | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | genewitch: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/mud.xml?root=mud-builder&view=markup | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: normally you need to make your own debian packaging for the stuff | 13:28 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: ok | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | ...and http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/packageformat.html | 13:28 |
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| genewitch | is there a "catchall" sort of diff /pathtosourcebefore /pathtofinishedcompile thing that i can use to build a .deb for the n800? | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: think Jaffa's stuff would be the best shot | 13:29 |
| genewitch | i was hoping i could just capture the "make install" portion of the build | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: And do read up on debian packaging. That will give you a lot more insight. | 13:30 |
| Mek | genewitch: you might be able by setting the DESTDIR env variable to a dir where you want everything to be installed | 13:30 |
| genewitch | an xml file? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | genewitch: but anyway.. debian packaging is very valuable to learn how to do well when dealing with stuff like Maemo and Mer | 13:31 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: i'll read up on it tomorrow i suppose | 13:31 |
| genewitch | if i can build something useful, i'll send you an email or whatever to be on the porter list | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - we also need testers and people with ideas for improvement or auditing our scripts | 13:32 |
| genewitch | which scripts | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | well we have session scripts and stuff | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | or just typical stuff, - OS is meant to be "single user", but yeah | 13:33 |
| timeless | is there a way to force quit an app in Mer? | 13:35 |
| timeless | Maemo Mapper is full screened and not responding | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: load-applet i guess | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | use f7? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | i think one of them might work | 13:35 |
| timeless | it isn't responding | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm, then no, normally there would be soemthing noticing things have stalled | 13:36 |
| timeless | it's quite dead | 13:37 |
| * timeless pulls the vmware power plug | 13:38 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:38 |
| timeless | which is hard | 13:38 |
| timeless | there's no button for it | 13:38 |
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| timeless | instead, i have to open prefs, change the default behavior to shutdown, quit, run it again, and change the pref back to suspend | 13:38 |
| lcuk | timeless, isnt there simply a restart system option for the vmware player :) | 13:42 |
| timeless | nope | 13:42 |
| lcuk | i remember rebooting my vmware images occasionally | 13:42 |
| timeless | you probably have pro | 13:42 |
| timeless | or something like it | 13:42 |
| lcuk | no, free player | 13:42 |
| lcuk | *had if i still had it installed id tell ya exactly what it was | 13:43 |
| timeless | i see no sign of it | 13:43 |
| timeless | To reset a virtual machine, choose VMware Player > Troubleshoot > Reset. | 13:43 |
| timeless | To power off a virtual machine, choose VMware Player > Troubleshoot > Power Off and Exit. | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yerga: heh, you ended up in qgil's bookmarks :) | 13:50 |
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| EgS | I wonder how I can make use of the LEDs the n810 provides for notifications in my app. Any pointers to some doc? | 14:04 |
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| genewitch | ./configure --prefix=<location> | 14:10 |
| genewitch | is evidently the solution to the problem i was having | 14:10 |
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| wazd | hola everybody | 14:12 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 14:12 |
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| genewitch | son of a gun | 14:12 |
| wazd | nobody has replied to me :( | 14:12 |
| genewitch | what does "sudo: must be suid root" mean and how do i fix it on "sudo make install" | 14:13 |
| genewitch | setuid root, not suid | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: :( | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg <- challenge, how could Mer look on a 480x640, 3.5" | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: BTW, that PocketPC Linux boot tool is written by our very own zap | 14:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: mabe better to use it landscape?) | 14:16 |
| genewitch | Stskeeps: if the goal is readability, not very good | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: Whom you can find at this channel | 14:16 |
| zap | RST38h: um? | 14:16 |
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| genewitch | Stskeeps: if you force a perspective (4:3) then you could put controls at the bottom, but you lose readability a bit because you have to cram so much in the tiny window | 14:16 |
| RST38h | zap: HaRET is yours, right? | 14:17 |
| zap | ah | 14:17 |
| zap | hm well kind of, but not anymore | 14:17 |
| RST38h | zap: Sts uses it to boot Mer on a Pocket Loox | 14:17 |
| zap | I wrote it originally in 2004 iirc, but since 2006 its maintained by other people | 14:17 |
| zap | well I prefer devices with native linux ;) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you dont normally use a pda in landscape :) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe, didn't know that :) | 14:18 |
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| genewitch | ok, so i have all the files that a make install would copy | 14:26 |
| genewitch | in a seperate folder | 14:26 |
| genewitch | with the tree intact | 14:26 |
| genewitch | i'm assuming i can tarball that folder, and extract it on my device | 14:27 |
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| timelE61i | ~root | 14:29 |
| infobot | rumour has it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 14:29 |
| genewitch | hr? | 14:29 |
| timelE61i | ~gainroot | 14:30 |
| timelE61i | someone? :) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | 'rootsh' :P | 14:32 |
| timelE61i | ~rootsh. | 14:32 |
| infobot | i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 14:32 |
| genewitch | timelE61i: | 14:34 |
| genewitch | timelE61i: sudser install from applications | 14:35 |
| genewitch | then just su - | 14:35 |
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| genewitch | sorry, install sudser and then in terminal run sudo su | 14:35 |
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| genewitch | good god, why doesn't ubuntu come with ftp | 14:38 |
| genewitch | ftp: not found | 14:38 |
| genewitch | even windows has the decency to include that | 14:39 |
| jumpula | decency to include half-assed version one prefers to do without :P | 14:39 |
| * Jaffa cries at the update from Andre on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4031#c2 | 14:39 | |
| genewitch | it's a 15 minute ordeal to get gftp installed | 14:39 |
| lcuk | genewitch, checked as sudo - doesnt root have more apps available | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: Huh? apt-get istall gftp | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | Done ;) | 14:39 |
| genewitch | jumpula: i cant' complain with ftp site.com, put blah, bye | 14:39 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: yeah, it's HUGE. | 14:40 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, yeah. not cool | 14:40 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: i've been waiting on this install forever now | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | andre__: I may have slipped into a bit of a rant when I reopened it :-/ | 14:40 |
| andre__ | no problem, i can make that a real rant ;-) | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: It is not huge. You just didn't have all dependencies yet. | 14:41 |
| genewitch | X-Fade: fresh install | 14:41 |
| genewitch | :-) | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | andre__: ta, your patience is appreciated | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: Well if you have installed ubuntu desktop, then I really can't imagine it being a large install. | 14:42 |
| jumpula | genewitch: what about wget? | 14:42 |
| jumpula | genewitch: does ubuntu provide that by default? | 14:42 |
| lcuk | jaffa, im actually surprised you can do an ssu without explicitely saying "yes, i have done a backup" | 14:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: shush, don't give them ideas. | 14:43 |
| lcuk | it removes it from being a tagline at the bottom | 14:43 |
| genewitch | jumpula: wget can put files? | 14:43 |
| jumpula | no, i was assuming you want to get | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | genewitch: That is what you sftp for ;) | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | or scp. | 14:44 |
| lcuk | qget can if i remember rightly | 14:44 |
| lcuk | qget | 14:44 |
| genewitch | jumpula: i need to move this file from a VM in scratchbox to my FTP server, so i can get it on my n800 to install it | 14:44 |
| lcuk | wget | 14:44 |
| lcuk | ffffffs | 14:44 |
| jumpula | and ftp server is naturally on different host? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | genewitch, wouldnt it be simpler to ssh directly to tablet from within scratchbox and copy it where required... | 14:45 |
| genewitch | lcuk: yeah i never bothered setting up sshd on the tablet | 14:45 |
| lcuk | that would be simpler and more functional and less messy longterm and doesnt take an amazing amount of time | 14:46 |
| genewitch | jumpula: yeah it is going vm->hostos -> random shell i own's ftp -> n800 | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | timelE61i: FYI: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3815 | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | and remote admin of the tablet is great | 14:46 |
| genewitch | lcuk: sudo does have ftp | 14:47 |
| genewitch | what in the heck | 14:47 |
| lcuk | :) regular user does not have rights to do ftp :) | 14:47 |
| genewitch | can't upload passwd! | 14:47 |
| genewitch | ohnoes | 14:47 |
| keesj | http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html would be cool for maemo (using osm of course) | 14:52 |
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| Jaffa | keesj: why would I want to use OSM when I actually want to see where my friends are? ;-( | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, the problem of the friend mapping systems are scale. its one thing having map and local mates around, but impractical to use daily to have a localized map showing friends around the world as the default view (I think its ovi friendview that does this) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | ie - it would be amazingly useful to have such a map available as an alternative view from jaiku or twitter - but the default info views are more useful | 14:55 |
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| genewitch | ahhhhhhhhh no libpcap | 14:56 |
| genewitch | FIGURES. | 14:56 |
| genewitch | this could take a year | 14:56 |
| keesj | Jaffa: perhaps for us nerdy people it would be enough to know where "good /open source" people are located | 14:56 |
| keesj | I don't have enough friends with maemos | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | keesj, tied with other services it doesnt matter which device people have | 14:58 |
| keesj | ok , the truth is that I don't have friends | 14:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:59 |
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| pupnik | rare/random oldskool hardware: http://cgi.ebay.de/Synthcart-Atari-2600-Circuit-bent-synth-Synthesizer_W0QQitemZ170298665836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170298665836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 | 15:00 |
| pupnik | atari 2600 synth | 15:00 |
| lcuk | pupnik, cool - just wish they had used the paddles to allow scratching and mixing and crossfading ;) | 15:01 |
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| Chiku | hello | 15:09 |
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| Chiku | il y a des francais et qui est chez free? pour des rensiegment pour le SIP | 15:11 |
| rzr_ | oui | 15:11 |
| Chiku | ca marche pour toi pour le freephonie? | 15:12 |
| rzr_ | Chiku: /j #ecologie for freench speaking | 15:12 |
| rzr_ | Chiku: avec twinkle oui | 15:12 |
| Jari-- | while we are at it, let's try Simplified Chinese Pinyin too | 15:12 |
| Chiku | ni hao Jari-- | 15:12 |
| Jari-- | Chiku: ni hao he niman hao ;-) | 15:13 |
| Jari-- | nimen eh | 15:13 |
| aquatix | Jari--: gaarne! | 15:13 |
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| Chiku | can I flash to diablo? or just update from chinook ? | 15:16 |
| aquatix | you have to flash | 15:17 |
| aquatix | ~flash | 15:17 |
| aquatix | hm | 15:17 |
| aquatix | ~diablo | 15:17 |
| infobot | Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo | 15:17 |
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| aquatix | erm | 15:17 |
| aquatix | ~flash? | 15:17 |
| aquatix | :( | 15:18 |
| timeless | jaffa++ for complaining about the English | 15:18 |
| timeless | or en-FI | 15:18 |
| Chiku | ok I got it | 15:19 |
| Chiku | RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 15:19 |
| Chiku | :) | 15:19 |
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| timeless | jaffa: ping | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | timeless: pong | 15:22 |
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| zeenix | <timeless> jaffa++ for complaining about the English | 15:32 |
| zeenix | timeless: and you were saying timeless is different person than Josh :) | 15:32 |
| kulve | zeenix: Hi! Any news on the gupnp backend for gvfs? :) | 15:32 |
| zeenix | kulve: yeah, the guy is busy with lots of other things | 15:33 |
| kulve | ok | 15:33 |
| kulve | I tried to find it from the prealpha2 sources, but found nothing | 15:33 |
| zeenix | kulve: while gvfs backend would be really cool and all that, i think for your usecase MAFW makes more sense | 15:34 |
| zeenix | kulve: it won't be on maemo itself of course :) | 15:34 |
| zeenix | kulve: unless someone from Nokia does it | 15:34 |
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| kulve | mafw looks pretty empty: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafw/ | 15:35 |
| RockyDd | when I run git diff, got this: pager: applet not found | 15:37 |
| zeenix | kulve: oh its' still empty | 15:37 |
| zeenix | i'll talk to those guys | 15:37 |
| zeenix | kulve: but you can read ths docs at least to get to know what it is and if you'll want to use it or not | 15:38 |
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| wazd | okay | 15:41 |
| wazd | Please welcome OMWeather API :) | 15:42 |
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| wazd | You'll be able to add any rss feed to OMW :) | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Why not use OMWeather experience and codebase to implement an RSS reader? [wink] | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | ...the new 1.66GHz Atom N280 CPU, replacing the elder's 1.6GHz N270. Unfortunately the slight bump in clock and bus speed (from 133MHz to 167MHz)... | 16:02 |
| RST38h | 133MHz. Hehe. | 16:03 |
| aquatix | erm, that's a typo | 16:03 |
| aquatix | 533 -> 667 | 16:03 |
| aquatix | iirc | 16:03 |
| RST38h | I hope so | 16:03 |
| RST38h | 'cause if it is 133, you won't even need PC RAM chips for this thing. | 16:04 |
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| wazd_hp | RST38h: well, then we can add chess, notepad, mediaplayer :) | 16:41 |
| ezadkiel_mB | I am trying to see what IP address my N810 is using is there a way to do it on the device | 16:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, those are different | 16:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: I mentioned RSS because it is natural to have RSS as a desktop widget *and* because Nokia's RSS widget is so gross | 16:43 |
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| wazd_hp | RST38h: ah, I thought you meant to add "rss reading functionality to OMWeather itself :) | 16:46 |
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| wazd | RST38h: We have so much to do with weather and a very small ammount of time for it :( | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: my apologies if I have offended you, there was nothing personal in that email | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | Meh, apology accepted - no real offense taken; I'm just getting fed up | 16:48 |
| wazd | it was like "Die Jaffa, diiieee!111" xD | 16:48 |
| wazd | just kidding) | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | I think everyone has had enough about this topic | 16:48 |
| wazd | I'm just happy that we solved all problems with OMWeather at last and the work keeps going | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | I think this is a religious war topic, no point in trying to solve it through discussing. As Dave said, we're just stating opinions, and not trying to achieve something at this point | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | let's just take a decision and live with it, not everyone's going to be happy, but sod it. | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | We've got some suggested referenda which will let The People[TM] decide | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | works for me (c) | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | ezadkiel_mB: yes; settings -> connections manager has it somewhere iirc | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | or you can install the HomeIP applet | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | or you can run 'ip a' or 'ifconfig' in the terminal | 16:51 |
| ezadkiel_mB | thank mgedmin | 16:51 |
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| wazd | btw, was it mentioned that Maemo 5 will be running on Beagleboard somewhen within OpenBOSSA conference? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | i thought FOSDEM | 16:52 |
| wazd | oh | 16:53 |
| wazd | it's even closer :) | 16:53 |
| wazd | so I think we have to wait 4 days for new UI :) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | i would hope its already running on beagleboard, or at least if not then it should be at least planned for | 16:53 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if frank.wagner is actually trying to make people do his research and he's posting the results on some IT newspaper.. | 17:05 | |
| benson[away] | No, actually, he's a politician: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wagner | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | if that's the guy that's frightening | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:08 |
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| kaltsi | hey guys, it's me who's gonna talk about running maemo on beagleboard in fosdem :) | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: hehe, shouldn't be that difficult :) | 17:09 |
| thopiekar | is someone of you familiar in python and has knowledge in the languages german and english? then please make a translation of this file ;) | 17:09 |
| thopiekar | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=856&release_id=2403 | 17:09 |
| kaltsi | don't get your hopes up about seeing something fancy at this time yet | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: i think showing maemo shouldn't "just" be a nokia tablet thing is a good thing nevertheless | 17:10 |
| kaltsi | yeah that's the jest of the talk.. and maybe even the beef | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | for example, http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-beagle.png & http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 17:11 |
| kaltsi | yay :) | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | (fremantle hildon) | 17:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: maybe we should bundle fullres wallpaper instead of 800x480 one? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: mm, maybe | 17:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's not so big | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | well in the beagle shot, the resolution is like 1280x700 or something :P | 17:13 |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: which kernel are you running? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: on beagle? jaunty, .. 2.6.27-oer4 | 17:14 |
| kaltsi | roger | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | it was a quick hack, it's fairly easy to re-target mer to new devices once you have a X server & kernel booting :P | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | kaltsi: in any case, wish i could go and see the presentation, - good to know there's some people playing around with maemo "on other devices" within Nokia too :) | 17:16 |
| kaltsi | yep, some guys use beagle to verify that their stuff works 'on other devices' | 17:17 |
| wazd | oh my, Yandex has answered) | 17:17 |
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| roope | "What does this mean for Microsoft or Nokia or Linux??? :O :( :!!!" | 17:19 |
| wazd | em... nurse! | 17:19 |
| wazd | :) | 17:20 |
| roope | "Customers buy - in innovation - if the provider is the first (time to markets)" | 17:21 |
| roope | "Because otherwise you will not survive Maemo - and Nokia sets its priorities differently - from today to tomorrow - therefore sets priorities - time is money - otherwise it will be very tight for Maemo" | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | roope: Random quotes generator? | 17:21 |
| roope | It's almost like poetry. | 17:21 |
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| benson[away] | Like Haiku through Google JP->EN translation! | 17:24 |
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| * wazd is so excited | 17:26 | |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hey what folder are the small tool bar icons stored in? | 17:26 |
| thopiekar | AndrewFBlack: on the tablet? maybe /usr/share/icons.. I'm not quite sure.. | 17:27 |
| AStorm | roope: it's worse than poetry | 17:27 |
| AStorm | it's gibberish ;P | 17:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah on tablet | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | AStorm: Did you not see the inauguration? | 17:28 |
| AStorm | what inauguration? | 17:28 |
| themactep | guys is there a reference on git repo layout for garage? what i found so far is only for svn. | 17:28 |
| AStorm | themactep: I think it's the same | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | question: is it feasible to setup git to work in the background and sync *users* data into one mega repo type idea? | 17:31 |
| lcuk | or is it more beneficial to setup a proper custom server | 17:32 |
| themactep | AStorm: i doubt it's the same since .git has no trunk/branches in separate directories | 17:32 |
| AStorm | I mean, grab the trunk | 17:33 |
| AStorm | and redo the same thing | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg :> | 17:36 |
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| * qwerty12 drools | 17:36 | |
| qwerty12 | How well does it run? The processor on it is faster than N800's :) | 17:37 |
| StsN801 | decently | 17:37 |
| StsN801 | fbdev though | 17:37 |
| StsN801 | and i need a 480x640 hd layout | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 17:38 |
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| dexterk | hey everyone, I installed deblet,and booted it,but I can not get pass through the deblet boot splash | 17:42 |
| dexterk | my n800 always reboot at last | 17:42 |
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| dexterk | just left a little progress with the deblet boot splash | 17:42 |
| dexterk | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/wiki/770Port I followed this to install a deblet on my n800 | 17:43 |
| dexterk | anyone can help me a little? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Uhm. That says 770. | 17:43 |
| dexterk | but I　can not get success with http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/deblet-diablo.install | 17:44 |
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| dexterk | I failed at partition with deblet-diablo.install | 17:46 |
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| dexterk | but my sd card was ok | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | dexterk: deblet 770 guide won't work.. do yourself a favour and look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer instead | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | mer is deblet's successor | 17:47 |
| lcuk | mers successor is skynet | 17:47 |
| dexterk | but it really seems no differences between 770port and 800 | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | dexterk: there's a lot of difference | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Evidently. That's why it wont start on your N800. | 17:48 |
| dexterk | pity... | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | You've got it partitioned now, if you really want deblet, just start again with the N800 installer | 17:49 |
| dexterk | mer n800 installer ,right? | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | dexterk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.7#Nokia_N8x0.28W.29_-_installer | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | deblet is no more developed so | 17:52 |
| johnx | m00f | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | hi johnx | 17:52 |
| dexterk | ok ,I see | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 17:53 |
| johnx | been a long day's night O_o | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-pocketloox-2.jpg? :> | 17:54 |
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| johnx | yup. saw the thread. I think your layout could use a little work :D | 17:55 |
| johnx | what x server is that? | 17:55 |
| johnx | xorg with fbdev? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:55 |
| johnx | how's the redraw speed? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 17:57 |
| johnx | I guess I just no how to pick devices with crappy video performance :/ | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12 | My 720 did a hell of a better job at playing back video files with CorePlayer than the N800 ever will do :/ | 17:58 |
| johnx | well, there's two reasons for that... | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | I know them but it's funny considering the 720 is older | 17:58 |
| johnx | it's all about the software :) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | I'm a pessimist, I don't believe N8x0 will ever get decent video playback but at least there's OMAP3 now :) | 17:59 |
| johnx | that's what I mean :) we have good enough hardware for most things now...we just need better software | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | An mplayer not stuck in the dark ages would be nice :) | 18:01 |
| Corsac | what about vlc? | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | vlc runs poorly compared to mplayer on the N8x0's atm | 18:01 |
| johnx | Corsac, what about it? is there a nice ARM optimized version? | 18:01 |
| Corsac | not sure | 18:01 |
| Corsac | it uses ffmpeg anyway | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, let's say we were going to try and bootstrap ubuntu into armv4t.. | 18:03 |
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| johnx | O_o | 18:04 |
| johnx | for what system? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder how long time it would take 2 beagles & a pocketloox to do it | 18:04 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, pocketloox is 64MB of RAM, right? | 18:04 |
| johnx | that's gonna hurt | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | 128mb actually | 18:04 |
| johnx | O_o | 18:04 |
| johnx | wow | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | Can you overclock the LOOX while in linux btw? I got mine running at 600MHZ in 2003SE | 18:04 |
| johnx | craziness | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: seems so | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | i was surprised, it's about as powerful as a n800 | 18:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Damn, I so have to get my charger out. | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Well, one that works anyway. | 18:05 |
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| johnx | I might have something better for a build box. how about qemu running on a dedicated quad core? | 18:05 |
| johnx | intel xeon e5420 :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 520mhz PXA272, 128mb SDRAM, VGA, 3.6", 16-bit colour, irda, microphone, speaker, usb (slave & host), bluetooth, wifi, SD, compact flash | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | + camera | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Two speakers :). One loud one and one designated for VoIP :) | 18:07 |
| johnx | pretty neat. probably the only reason I skipped over it was lack of keyboard | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i also have one of these at my table: | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/HTC_Athena_X7500_1.jpg , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Advantage_X7500 | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | got android booting earlier | 18:08 |
| johnx | nice | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | very confusing OS | 18:08 |
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| Zic_N800 | what's the default settings for finger-keyboard on the N810 on Maemo ? when does it appear ? is it like im the N800 ? | 18:09 |
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| Zic_N800 | in* | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | Zic_N800: when you click the center button i think | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. or something | 18:09 |
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| johnx | wow...and that htc advantage is mostly working in linux? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | mm. im not sure. | 18:10 |
| AStorm | where mostly means no wifi? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | it boots, has framebuffer, at least | 18:10 |
| AStorm | and slow fb | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't play much with it | 18:10 |
| dexterk | anyone test the kde? is kde faster than gtk* ? | 18:10 |
| johnx | dexterk, kde is a desktop and gtk is a widget kit. do you mean kde and gnome or qt and gtk? | 18:11 |
| Zic_N800 | yes. that's the fullscreen keyboard with the midle center button, but when you click on a text box, what does it happen? on the N800, it's basically the mini stylus keyboard which opens | 18:11 |
| dexterk | i dont know what the name of maemo default wm | 18:11 |
| dexterk | but I know it is written by gtk | 18:11 |
| kaltsi | sapwood? | 18:11 |
| johnx | dexterk, ah, it's 'hildon-desktop' | 18:12 |
| dexterk | johnx: en | 18:12 |
| johnx | and hildon desktop is a lot faster than KDE :) | 18:12 |
| dexterk | hoho | 18:12 |
| dexterk | In PC,qt is faster display than gtk.. | 18:12 |
| Zic_N800 | not fully true | 18:12 |
| lcuk | only for greater amounts of t | 18:12 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: heh ;) | 18:13 |
| dexterk | anyway, I actually want to use some Xlib based WM,such as openbox, twm...fvwm,lol | 18:13 |
| johnx | dexterk, matchbox is lighter than all of them, and you're already using it :) | 18:14 |
| dexterk | I think it is not lighter as twm / fvwm ? | 18:14 |
| * lcuk would rather use a different wm, but theres non available | 18:14 | |
| johnx | you just need to get rid of the panels and other stuff | 18:14 |
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| johnx | dexterk, yes. matchbox is lighter than fvwm...as for twm, I don't know | 18:14 |
| dexterk | ... | 18:14 |
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| johnx | dexterk, remember, matchbox is the wm, not the desktop environment | 18:15 |
| dexterk | matchbox is based on gtk2,right? | 18:15 |
| Zic_N800 | matchbox is designed for embedded devices | 18:15 |
| johnx | xlib | 18:15 |
| dexterk | ok... | 18:15 |
| dexterk | I see | 18:15 |
| lcuk | if i wanted to skip the whole x11 part (to use something like directfb), i would need to listen for events myself wouldnt i | 18:15 |
| Zic_N800 | as it's not the mai goal of wm like openbox, twm or others... | 18:16 |
| dexterk | hildon-desktop is based on gtk2... | 18:16 |
| Zic_N800 | main* | 18:16 |
| aquatix | dexterk: that's the gui toolkit used, yes | 18:16 |
| aquatix | nothing to do with the WM | 18:16 |
| dexterk | great,Mer installer is easy and good | 18:16 |
| dexterk | en | 18:17 |
| dexterk | thanks all | 18:17 |
| aquatix | besides, QT has been ported too alread | 18:17 |
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| johnx | hmm...looks like the linux-on-htc-advantage project kinda died | 18:22 |
| pupnik | bunch of sharper image useless consumers | 18:23 |
| johnx | pupnik, who? | 18:24 |
| pupnik | HTC customers :P | 18:24 |
| johnx | ah | 18:24 |
| johnx | I gave up a long time ago on devices that didn't come with linux from the start... | 18:25 |
| pupnik | not that i have anything against folks who port linux to other hardware | 18:25 |
| pupnik | right | 18:25 |
| pupnik | initial support from mfgr kickstarts the community | 18:25 |
| johnx | people are more motivated to work in their spare time when they have a solid base to start from | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: #htc-linux is kinda big though | 18:26 |
| johnx | I'm sure there are some HTC phones that are well supported in linux, but I wouldn't buy a winmo phone and bet on a port | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | honestly though.. if you have access to flash, why can't you just figure out the bootloader and drop in some generic platform bootloader | 18:28 |
| lcuk | isnt there a mobile version of wine (you know, it comes in a brown bag) | 18:28 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, the linux kernel makes a nice bootloader :) seems like niggling driver and power management issues are always the last to get solved... | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | johnx, thats usually what you pay for when you buy the system :) | 18:30 |
| johnx | lcuk, exactly :) and as a bonus I fund linux kernel development | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | its taken many years for generic linux to be installable everywhere (a remarkable achievement | 18:32 |
| lcuk | *pretty much anywhere | 18:32 |
| johnx | most things with 8MB of RAM and an MMU | 18:32 |
| johnx | and some things without either :D | 18:32 |
| johnx | for everything else, there's NetBSD | 18:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, ms are looking in that direction | 18:33 |
| johnx | I'm pretty sure it's just that Danger started the project with NetBSD and MS decided not to redo finished work | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | ms had their own unix flavor for a while didnt they | 18:34 |
| johnx | xenix I think | 18:35 |
| lcuk | :O shit, bbl | 18:35 |
| johnx | ??? | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | He's looking for a warez site to get xenix | 18:36 |
| johnx | I love the MS approach: Why should wer do our own Unix when instead we can painfully reimplement it piece by piece? | 18:37 |
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| ccooke | Ah, Xenix. Actually not that bad a Unix. | 18:40 |
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| qwerty12 | Microsoft played a part in it. How can I believe that statement? :) | 18:40 |
| johnx | which is why they through it out and grafted Unix-like features into Windows: a better challenge | 18:41 |
| ccooke | (MS didn't actually write it; they bought it. It's a real Unix. Actually, it's in the ancestry of SCO IIRC) | 18:41 |
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| ccooke | (and it's worth remembering this is the *real* SCO, not the company that later bought its assets :-) | 18:42 |
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| * johnx wants one handy 'who's who' chart of which companies are actually operating under which names and who really owns which ones... | 18:42 | |
| johnx | so easy to miss one piece of news and not realize that the current 'polaroid' has nothing to do with 'polaroid' | 18:43 |
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| Mek | yeah, and to not realize that the fact that your sony mobile phone's camera has a zeiss lens says nothing about the quality of th elens :) | 18:44 |
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| dexterk | any easy way to install matchbox in Mer? | 18:52 |
| dexterk | I installed Mer | 18:52 |
| johnx | the window manager it's running is matchbox :) | 18:52 |
| johnx | same as maemo | 18:52 |
| dexterk | ... | 18:52 |
| johnx | well, actually in this case it's matchbox2 | 18:52 |
| dexterk | it is too beatiful | 18:53 |
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| johnx | I'll take that as a compliment :) | 18:53 |
| ||cw | how hard would it be to rebuild the lastest of everything for a n770? is it even realistic? | 18:53 |
| johnx | but it's wazd who made the theme... | 18:53 |
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| johnx | ||cw, the latest of everything that has source released? basically we did it for Mer already... | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Is there another method of getting free disk space apart from df? It sucks at displaying the free space (on the tablet) for "/" or "/dev/mtdblock4" on its own evidently... | 18:54 |
| johnx | ||cw, it's still ongoing, but it's certainly a start... | 18:54 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: what are you actually wanting to do? | 18:55 |
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| rzr_ | ||cw: does it worth it ? is the wifi ready ? | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, trying to get the free space available for / in MB preferably :). running df -h works but it adds delays as it gets the free space available on other devices. running "df /" or "df /dev/mtdblock4" doesn't :/ | 18:56 |
| rzr_ | ||cw: i have a 770 too | 18:57 |
| ||cw | i don't know, that's why i'm asking | 18:57 |
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| ||cw | I don't care so much about a newer kernel as applications | 18:57 |
| rzr_ | ||cw: mine currently dont support wifi on nitdroid | 18:57 |
| ||cw | I'm quite tired of installign stuff that's label for 770 HE that segfaults | 18:58 |
| rzr_ | ||cw: i know what you mean | 18:58 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: ah, right. That's an annoyance, really. | 18:58 |
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| ||cw | and the old stuff is just too old | 18:58 |
| rzr_ | ||cw: http://digg.com/linux_unix/NITdroid_or_just_another_Android_port_nokia_770_and_later | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, yep :( | 18:58 |
| dexterk | johnx: Can I share with your /etc/apt/source.list* ? | 18:59 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: the way maemo mounts everything causes some minor confusion in df. I don't think there are any better options on the tablet, though | 18:59 |
| ||cw | qwerty12: what's wrong with `df -h /` ? | 18:59 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: give me a sec while I remind myself if you can get it from /sys | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | ccooke, ah. Thanks :(. I'll just resort to getting to getting the entire output from df | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | ||cw, doesn't work on the tablet | 18:59 |
| ccooke | ||cw: the device mounted on / is mounted twice, in two places. df displays nothing. | 18:59 |
| johnx | dexterk, hmm? you want to see my /etc/apt/sources.list? it's the same as a normal mer install...so, same as yours | 18:59 |
| ||cw | ah | 18:59 |
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| dexterk | johnx: my Mer has nothing can be installed from application manager.. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | connect to the internet and restart AM | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:00 |
| rzr_ | dexterk: not even xchat ? | 19:00 |
| dexterk | en | 19:00 |
| dexterk | nothing | 19:00 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: gotcha. | 19:01 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: I knew there was something that'd do it. | 19:01 |
| dexterk | it is empty /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 19:01 |
| ccooke | cat /proc/partitions | 19:01 |
| ccooke | the entry for mtdblock4 is correct for the root filesystem | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | ah, thank you! | 19:01 |
| ccooke | it's in blocks only | 19:01 |
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| ccooke | but you can work out anything from there | 19:02 |
| johnx | dexterk, the repositories are listed in different files than on maemo | 19:02 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: (blocks are 1k, so it's not exactly hard :-) | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :), thanks again :) | 19:03 |
| bittin` | have you heard the FLOSS Weekly Maemo interview? | 19:03 |
| ccooke | qwerty12: wait. Damnit. That's not *free*, that's total. | 19:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah well, I guess "df -h" will have to do :). Thanks for looking though, I appreciate it :) | 19:05 |
| ccooke | no problem | 19:05 |
| ||cw | does bluetooth DUN work on mer on the 770? | 19:07 |
| johnx | ||cw, as long as bluetooth works (which it should) then BT DUN works. But Nokia's fancy wizard for pairing to a phone is closed source, so for now you'd have to set it up manually. this will change :) | 19:09 |
| ||cw | I've done that on my ubuntu-Eee, procedure should be able the same right? | 19:10 |
| johnx | yup. should be very similar | 19:10 |
| johnx | might need to install bluez-gnome | 19:10 |
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| dexterk | what is the different of Mer | 19:13 |
| matan | Back to df / - it is a busybox issue, so if you use df from coreutils, it has no problems with a single filesystem. | 19:13 |
| dexterk | another os 2008? | 19:13 |
| johnx | hey Omegamoon :) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | lo matan | 19:13 |
| Omegamoon | hi johnx | 19:14 |
| johnx | dexterk, Mer is hildon-desktop on top of a thin Ubuntu base, and is for the most part open source software | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: I luvz you | 19:14 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I know :) still enjoying your videos? | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | matan, ah, thanks for clearing that up. Without resorting to dirty hacks (and I don't want to do that for a game), I guess attempts to install coreutils will be futile... | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: my videos? | 19:15 |
| * timeless chuckles | 19:16 | |
| * timeless has something in Mer which really doesn't belong | 19:16 | |
| johnx | crashanddie, errr...hmmm...probably misremembering | 19:16 |
| matan | coreutils is only available from sdk repository, as it conflicts with busybox. | 19:16 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: explain | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | timeless: explorer.exe ? | 19:17 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I thought it was you asking about video encoding the other day, but now that I think about it, probably not. now why do you luvz me again? | 19:17 |
| timeless | nah | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | johnx: just cuz | 19:17 |
| johnx | ah fair enough | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | johnx: though if you doubt my affection I can turn it away in the blink of an eye | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: microb? ;P | 19:18 |
| johnx | oh, I have no doubts about sincerity | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | meh | 19:18 |
| johnx | things like this happen wherever I go :) I was just looking for causality | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | having to document the installation procedure of software, by screenshotting every single step, over RDP isn't the fastest way of making progress, is it? | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | johnx: YOU MEAN YOU HAVE OTHERS? | 19:19 |
| johnx | crashanddie, you're not the only crashanddie | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | jealousy++; | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: better than a 41 minute lab test of a program where you use a screen recorder as primary data source.. and it dies when trying to save | 19:20 |
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| crashanddie | let me qualify that | 19:21 |
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| crashanddie | RDP session from Paris to the US over an SSH tunnel from London to Paris over a VPN connection from my place to the office over stolen wifi | 19:22 |
| matan | Hello, Stskeeps. I saw you run Mer on the loox 720. How much of the hardware actually work? | 19:22 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: let's just say I understand your pain | 19:23 |
| StsN801 | matan, usbnet, touchscreen, fbdev, sd i think so far | 19:24 |
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| * timeless looks for someone w/ an n8x0 willing to test something (two reboots required) | 19:27 | |
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| ccooke | timeless: possible. What's needed? | 19:28 |
| timeless | switch your locale to Spanish(Latin America) | 19:28 |
| timeless | (requires a reboot | 19:28 |
| matan | StsN801: Does not sound like fun. I guess I'll not try it for now. | 19:28 |
| StsN801 | matan: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Loox700SeriesKernel | 19:28 |
| StsN801 | is what i use | 19:29 |
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| ccooke | timeless: regional settings *and* device language? | 19:29 |
| timeless | dev language | 19:29 |
| timeless | i don't care about region | 19:29 |
| StsN801 | matan, just what i tested so far | 19:29 |
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| timeless | after it reboots, tap the main menu thing and look at the first item in the menu | 19:29 |
| timeless | tell me if it looks funny | 19:29 |
| timeless | use the rest of the menu to decide | 19:29 |
| ccooke | okay. | 19:30 |
| timeless | don't switch back until we talk about it | 19:30 |
| ccooke | rebooting now | 19:30 |
| StsN801 | matan, check status what works | 19:30 |
| ccooke | timeless: looks fine here | 19:31 |
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| timeless | ccooke: hrm | 19:31 |
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| timeless | one sec | 19:31 |
| timeless | well, what do you see in the first item? | 19:31 |
| timeless | /msg me | 19:32 |
| matan | StsN801: I did not look at that page since I got the 770. Not much progress, though. I already saw the penguin on the loox screen in 2005. | 19:32 |
| StsN801 | yeah, though its 2.6.26 ;) | 19:33 |
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| timeless | exactly like that? | 19:34 |
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| StsN801 | lo zenvoid | 19:48 |
| zenvoid | Hi. I'm reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Getting_your_package_included | 19:49 |
| zenvoid | how can I upload to trac.tspre.org? | 19:50 |
| zenvoid | I need an account, I guess... | 19:50 |
| StsN801 | hehe.. you ask me :) sec | 19:50 |
| zenvoid | I've been "softening" the system sounds a bit, to make wazd happy ;-) probably not perfect, but I think it is ok for the first release, they will be better with time | 19:53 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if i get a build of liqbase working in mer does that mean it will build and work on any of these devices you have been porting it to (ie omap3) | 19:53 |
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| johnx | lcuk, nope. :) | 19:54 |
| lcuk | why | 19:54 |
| johnx | you do things in a very 'special' way :) | 19:54 |
| lcuk | me personally, or the actual porting process? | 19:54 |
| johnx | a lot of xservers for older devices are missing a proper xv implementation | 19:54 |
| StsN801 | oms | 19:54 |
| dexterk | what can I do with Mer? | 19:55 |
| lcuk | ok, thats a reasonable answer | 19:55 |
| dexterk | can I install a gcc in Mer? | 19:55 |
| dexterk | so few software in the application manager | 19:55 |
| johnx | dexterk, yes. lots of stuff from ubuntu should work no problem | 19:55 |
| dexterk | johnx: how, can you show me a example | 19:55 |
| dexterk | if I want to install a gcc | 19:56 |
| johnx | use apt-get in osso xterm to see more | 19:56 |
| dexterk | I have xterm | 19:56 |
| StsN801 | dexterk, just enable red pill, tools->options and show all packages | 19:56 |
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| dexterk | whereis the red pill? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | in the bathroom cabinet | 19:57 |
| johnx | ~red-pill | 19:57 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, red-pill is https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode | 19:57 |
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| StsN801 | dexterk, if you know ubuntu sudo apt-get install, it works same | 20:01 |
| johnx | mmm...apt-get install cup-noodle | 20:01 |
| dexterk | Tools -> Application catalogue", then click "New", type "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, and click "Cancel" | 20:01 |
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| dexterk | but I have no Cancel | 20:01 |
| johnx | hit the backwards pointing curly arrow hardware button :) | 20:02 |
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| dexterk | a real problem,my Mer often broken up the wlan connection | 20:04 |
| dexterk | but my os 2008 works with my wlan very fine | 20:05 |
| johnx | it's a problem with the way network manager interacts with the wireless drivers | 20:05 |
| johnx | keep in mind this is a beta (or maybe an alpha?) :) | 20:05 |
| dexterk | ... | 20:05 |
| dexterk | I　only want to have a mobile develop os ... | 20:06 |
| dexterk | not a Mer like this | 20:06 |
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| johnx | dexterk, well, we'd love any help you'd like to provide, or you might want to wait until it gets further | 20:06 |
| dexterk | en.. | 20:07 |
| StsN801 | dexterk, apt-get install sysklogd , reboot, and help us track down the issue:) | 20:07 |
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| dexterk | maybe deblet better to me .? lol | 20:08 |
| StsN801 | same issue there | 20:08 |
| StsN801 | i made both. | 20:09 |
| dexterk | - - | 20:09 |
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| dexterk | so...lol | 20:09 |
| johnx | you can disable network manager and setup your connection using /etc/network/interfaces | 20:09 |
| dexterk | en | 20:09 |
| johnx | it seems to be a bit more stable that way | 20:09 |
| dexterk | good idea | 20:09 |
| StsN801 | johnx, i think issue is NM scanning | 20:09 |
| StsN801 | i patched nm so | 20:10 |
| johnx | StsN801, me too. ah, you patched nm recently? | 20:10 |
| dexterk | my issue is just once connected ok,and if broken after, it wont get connected again | 20:10 |
| johnx | I'll install syslogd and test | 20:10 |
| StsN801 | in deblet, not mer | 20:10 |
| dexterk | now ,I need to go to bed, sysklogd tomorrow | 20:10 |
| dexterk | lol | 20:10 |
| * dexterk away | 20:10 | |
| johnx | dexterk, same her. that doesn't happen to me when I used /etc/networ/interfaces or set it up manually | 20:11 |
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| StsN801 | zenvoid, try again, forgot to add your credentials | 20:15 |
| StsN801 | add some comment after build pack=ver statement | 20:16 |
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| sp3000 | oh deah | 20:17 |
| sp3000 | dear even | 20:17 |
| zenvoid | StsN801: a comment? | 20:17 |
| sp3000 | not only does notes eat half of "\n\n", it also eats the space off "\n " | 20:17 |
| * sp3000 sobs | 20:17 | |
| zenvoid | StsN801: should I upload the package again? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: nop | 20:20 |
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| zenvoid | ok | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: just 'build liberty-sounds-ui=version (blame stskeeps for not fixing merbuilder)".. jaiku doesnt like similar postings right after another | 20:21 |
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| zenvoid | :D it worked, now enjoy the new and free sound theme for your tablets | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: woo :) | 20:22 |
| zenvoid | http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/libe/liberty-sounds-ui/liberty-sounds-ui_1.0_all.deb | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | now we just need sound:> | 20:22 |
| johnx | a2dp works great :> | 20:23 |
| zenvoid | It also works in diablo | 20:23 |
| johnx | yup. worked in chinook too. I wrote a little thread :) | 20:23 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: just point to liberty-sounds-ui in the sprint overview (0.8) then and mark it 100% :) | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | what is the license, out of curiousity | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah, nm, i see :) | 20:25 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: Creative Commons Attribution 3.0, but I can use any license that you prefer | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | nah, this one should be good | 20:26 |
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| zenvoid | some people seem to be offended by the WTFPL wording, so I placed them under CC-BY instead ;-) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :> | 20:27 |
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| qwerty12 | zenvoid, in the spirit of the WTFPL, I'd have told the whiners to fuck off :) | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | and thanks for the effort :) hope you had fun doing them | 20:28 |
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| zenvoid | yes, was fun. I will improve them with time, but I'm happy with most sounds, I'm using them in diablo | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:30 |
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| johnx | I want to find out who is responsible for making spam profitable and smack them | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: the same people who decided what's on TV dumbing down the nation.. | 20:31 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/twitpicbestbuy.jpg | 20:31 |
| johnx | which nation? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: any nation | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's brilliant | 20:31 |
| derf | johnx: Spam conversion rate are approximately 1 in 10,000. | 20:32 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I haven't seen much TV from Denmark. same dreak, different country? | 20:32 |
| RST38h | johnx: end of an epoch, in a sense | 20:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm just amused be the snark | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i don't own a TV. i view series of my own selection | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| johnx | I considered CompUSA's liquidation more 'the end of an era' than circuit city's | 20:33 |
| lcuk | derf, depends on what you are spamming | 20:35 |
| RST38h | johnx: True | 20:36 |
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| * RST38h wonders what kind of a country he will return to in March | 20:37 | |
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| Stskeeps | you're in russia these days or how was it? | 20:37 |
| johnx | RST38h, returning in March for good? | 20:37 |
| RST38h | naah, 2 weeks | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Sts: Moscow for now | 20:38 |
| johnx | ah, You should stop by here on your way to the US :) | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Flying Aeroflot this time, after being screwed by Delta twice | 20:39 |
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| johnx | sounds fun. I saw a video like that | 20:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: Direct flight, the only way to ruin it is to blow it up above Atlantic | 20:39 |
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| * Stskeeps tries to communicate with BME | 20:42 | |
| suihkulokki | 10111011000010011100 | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't so bloody difficult when there's a dummy BME :P | 20:43 |
| lcuk | suihkulokki, in public? and more to the point, where would we get a traffic cone from? | 20:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, I saw that video too | 20:43 |
| crashanddie | I have traffic cones | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | ahhh another loyal fan :) still gettin royalties from that one (and an uncomfortable feeling when i sit down) | 20:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, they aired it during the superbowl in Tuscon I think :) | 20:45 |
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| crashanddie | it's not so much that the feeling in uncomfortable | 20:45 |
| crashanddie | rather that sometimes I swallow a chair | 20:45 |
| lcuk | thats gonna lead to some odd glances in a meeting no doubt | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | speaking of losing things, ive lost my only usb mouse | 20:47 |
| johnx | might have sat on it? | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | possible, but i left some cheese out for it last night but it didnt emerge | 20:48 |
| * lcuk grabs the nipple instead | 20:48 | |
| johnx | O_o | 20:48 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly if his tablet died after talking to BME.. | 20:52 | |
| johnx | died died or just 'died' | 20:52 |
| johnx | ? | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | johnx: where do you live again? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: rebooted | 20:53 |
| johnx | crashanddie, check my whois info. it's accurate :) | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | sod it, indeed | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | wtf are you in japan? | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | and where are you originally from? | 20:53 |
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| johnx | originally from CA, US by way of VA, US, by way of WA, US :) | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | I liked you | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | you're from the wrong side of the pond | 20:56 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:56 |
| johnx | no I'm on the right side of the pond | 20:56 |
| johnx | further right than you even :D | 20:56 |
| johnx | but what does that w in wtf stand for in this case? | 20:56 |
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| crashanddie | why | 20:57 |
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| johnx | ah, to see the world of course | 20:57 |
| johnx | the wanderlust :) | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | ok | 20:57 |
| lcuk | also, they were gonna deport him | 20:57 |
| johnx | or if you like 'It seemed like a good idea at the time.' :D | 20:57 |
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| crashanddie | so you lived in three different places in the US | 20:57 |
| johnx | yup | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | and now you've been stuck in Japan for... how many years? | 20:58 |
| johnx | ~1.75 | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | And you call that globetrotting? | 20:58 |
| * lcuk bangs head on wall | 20:58 | |
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| timeless | lcuk: i have a new and improved soft-wall | 20:59 |
| timeless | you can try installing it :) | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | soft walls dont work | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i need to feel the pain otherwise this network copy will take forever | 20:59 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, liqbase dev folder is ummmm 180mb right now.. | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | two options | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | either you just went loopy | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | or you need to do some cleaning | 21:00 |
| lcuk | first time ive noticed - its including lots of incremental backups | 21:00 |
| johnx | crashanddie, nope. I call it impulsive :) I'll be heading back stateside in April | 21:00 |
| lcuk | how do i find the size of a folder | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | du -sh /path/ | 21:01 |
| lcuk | 11.0M libliqbase | 21:01 |
| lcuk | more reasonable | 21:01 |
| lcuk | and that needs cleaning itself | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | johnx: when are you coming to europe? | 21:01 |
| lcuk | and contains a massive media section | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | johnx: you know, the continent that actually has some history? | 21:01 |
| johnx | crashanddie, when you find a country that lets me easily immigrate and find a job :P | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ahh you mean africa | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | and don't tell me japan has history, they write with pencils, therefore can not be trusted | 21:02 |
| johnx | lcuk++ | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | africa has history? | 21:02 |
| johnx | meh. I'm fuzzy on any history that happened before the beginning of the Unix epoch | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | In that case, yes, history tends to repeat itself... Death, murder, rape, famine, death, murder, rape, famine | 21:02 |
| johnx | crashanddie, so you're suddenly talking about London? | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | johnx: why don't you go check at your window, and see if there's no right-wing extremist militia marching down the street | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | isn't that basically the state of Japan these days? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, egypt is one of the most documented historical regions in the world :) mostly due to their insistance upon stone tablets and icons | 21:03 |
| johnx | crashanddie, huh? extremist? militant? what now? | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I always told you tablets had a future | 21:04 |
| lcuk | :) yeah | 21:04 |
| lcuk | maemo 0.000000001 | 21:04 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I think one of us might be confused :) | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | NIT | 21:04 |
| johnx | I hope it's you | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | Nile Tablet | 21:04 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: I have a few friends who had to leave the country (they been working there for about 5-10 years) because they were being harassed | 21:05 |
| johnx | harassed != extremist militia | 21:06 |
| johnx | what line of work were they in? and what area? | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | johnx: one of them created a documentary about how the right-wing side is coming up pretty heavily, as there is no censorship, nor repercussion for people who praise second world war mass murderers as heroes | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | hang on, I'll try to find it... | 21:06 |
| lcuk | and so it was said, king ramises the third (from finland of all places) took the scrolls of linus and ordered thousands of slaves to embed them into a pyramid shaped device. | 21:07 |
| lcuk | :D infact, sod that - scrolls of liquid | 21:07 |
| AndrewFBlack | my network is driving me crasy | 21:08 |
| Proteous | AndrewFBlack complaining about his network driving him crazy is driving my crazy | 21:08 |
| Proteous | I might just go over there and fix it for him | 21:09 |
| Proteous | just to get some peace | 21:09 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol, come on over tell me why my wife computer can't validate its idenity to my router when I have wpa2 protection on | 21:09 |
| johnx | crashanddie, well, yeah the war is still a pretty touchy subject... | 21:09 |
| gnuton | Hi there | 21:10 |
| johnx | hi gnuton | 21:11 |
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| gnuton | hey johnx! :D | 21:12 |
| timeless | anyone here use Chat/Internet call on their tablet? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | woo, i speak bmeish | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | me battery temperature is 296 kelvin | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is this for hald-addon-bme? | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (Eventual) | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, to replace it with a open version | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Whee, maybe my adv-power 'port' can actually be useful one day :) | 21:14 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: found it :) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6f11f_reportage-11-lextreme-droite-au-jap_news | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | johnx: I hope your french is good :) Most (if not all) of it is dubbed | 21:22 |
| johnx | my french is nonexistent | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | well, you're american so you should be able to get into one of the many US army bases that are there | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | go ask the GIs what they think of it, they should have pretty good inside intel | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to have feedback from that, btw | 21:24 |
| johnx | so ... what kind of intel am I supposed to be gathering? and what is your friend claiming about right-wing militias? | 21:25 |
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| crashanddie | well that "a lot" of japanese people are sick of having about... what... 40k americans on their soil? | 21:25 |
| johnx | uh yes | 21:26 |
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| johnx | you'd be sick of it too :D | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | The fact that there is no limit at all on the freedom of expression means that ideas that were marginal are becoming more and more popular | 21:26 |
| johnx | and that idea is? | 21:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: I think he has just watched Lelouch Of The Rebellion or something similar | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | Nostalgia of imperial japan, quite intense nationalism, negationism | 21:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: Japanese guerillas will attack US bases with huge mechas any time now | 21:28 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I've never seen any of that | 21:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, who's to say they haven't already and are just covering things up with a cloaking field? | 21:28 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: ever heard of Yuko Tojo? | 21:30 |
| johnx | nope | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | basically she's the granddaughter of Hideki Tojo? | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | Japanese Prime Minister during the second world war? | 21:30 |
| johnx | yeah, reading wikipedia now... | 21:31 |
| johnx | 'she failed to be elected' | 21:31 |
| johnx | you can find any conspiracy if you look hard enough | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | there's an article about her? wow | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | I'm not talking about conspiracy | 21:32 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am too far from the battlefield | 21:32 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not saying they're going to murder everyone and go mental | 21:32 |
| johnx | ok, you're talking about a popular movement. In 2 years time I haven't seen anything of the sort. maybe it's not very popular? | 21:32 |
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| crashanddie | Actually to start with I was asking if you ever felt anything of sorts | 21:33 |
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| johnx | nope. nothing at all | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Speaking of Japanese uprising, I have got a story for you | 21:34 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 21:34 |
| johnx | crashanddie, I would assume something like this would be more of in the countryside, not in big cities. exposure breeds tolerance and all that | 21:34 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: what's this lelouch of the rebellion? | 21:34 |
| RST38h | http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:G2_1qhZ1PUUJ:www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php%3FARTICLE_ID%3D7993%26IBLOCK_ID%3D35+site:www.exile.ru+gary+brecher+japan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 | 21:35 |
| RST38h | crash: Stupid kiddie anime | 21:35 |
| RST38h | crash: About Japan suffering under the rule of British Empire (although it is quite clear whom they mean there) | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Sorry that I have to resort to google cache | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: hmm, never heard about it | 21:36 |
| johnx | crashanddie, ah, a note about general crankiness RE: US military bases. I think most of the crankiness is actually about the way some military base residents choose to behave off-base. I can't speak for all of them of course, but I've run across some very unfortunate examples :/ | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | johnx: sadly I'm afraid that's the same all over the world | 21:37 |
| johnx | it's a much more painful contrast in a country that tends to value reserved behavior :| | 21:38 |
| crashanddie | johnx: the "good guys" don't mess about, and you don't notice them. The arseholes you see and don't forget. Which means loads of [input country tag]-army bases have bad rep | 21:38 |
| * johnx sighs | 21:38 | |
| RST38h | crash: you get the general trend right but you are wrong about details such as thresholds | 21:39 |
| crashanddie | I love Japan, I'd love to go there. I know Chinese (as a spoken language) is easier to learn than Japanese, but I think Japanese culture/history is just a lot more intriguing than any other country out there | 21:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, huh? | 21:39 |
| RST38h | crash: In order to cause a local uprising, americans would have to kill or rape at least a few dozen locals at a time | 21:39 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: again, I never said there was going to be a local uprising | 21:40 |
| * johnx tries to picture a local uprising of Japanese office workers... | 21:40 | |
| RST38h | johnx: will start with a demonstration | 21:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: in order to make things worse, americans would have to shoot | 21:40 |
| johnx | I've never seen a demonstration here | 21:40 |
| johnx | a demonstration sounds awfully close to a confrontation | 21:41 |
| johnx | those are best avoided | 21:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, Koreans absolutely love demonstrations and they are crazy enough | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm pretty sure with limited special effects you could make two or three disappear and appear somewhere else (to us europeans they all look alike)... Every GI would go "OH FUCK, IT'S HIRO NAKAMURA" and run away) | 21:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: Does US have bases in .KR? | 21:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, | 21:41 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | take care guys | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Anyways, as I said, in order to cause an uprising americans would have to do a few very specific acts in a specific sequence | 21:42 |
| johnx | 'night crashanddie. come and visit in the next couple months and I'll show you around :) | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | johnx: if you're ever in London, I'd love to buy you a (real) beer | 21:42 |
| RST38h | More or less like they have done in Iraq | 21:42 |
| johnx | crashanddie, deal :) | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | johnx: where are you btw, in Japan? | 21:42 |
| johnx | my whois is quite accurate. Just google Yokohama and you'll be close enough | 21:43 |
| johnx | I'll pick you up at the station :) | 21:43 |
| crashanddie | johnx: The map is a bit weird: http://www.groupawheels.com/images/Products/7c20ca28-20de-43e1-af58-1e906c498f1fYokohama-PARADA-site.jpg | 21:44 |
| johnx | crashanddie, google says "You're doing it wrong." | 21:44 |
| johnx | ah, and from earlier, Japanese beer is actually quite good | 21:45 |
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| crashanddie | I'm sure it is ;) | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | anyway, enough nonsense, take care | 21:45 |
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| johnx | 'night :D | 21:45 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 21:45 | |
| johnx | RST38h, but if the US misbehaved in .kr who would make their cellphones? | 21:45 |
| lcuk | whoa! | 21:45 |
| johnx | ? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | johnx: .cn | 21:46 |
| lcuk | new liqbase (the one i put a screeny up from last night) kinda compiles for x86 | 21:46 |
| johnx | well, I should hope so ... | 21:46 |
| RST38h | kinda? =) | 21:46 |
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| RST38h | what was that? | 21:49 |
| AndrewFBlack | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii | 21:49 |
| johnx | a cat | 21:49 |
| lcuk | nahhh it happened yesterday | 21:49 |
| RST38h | is he eatign the i key? | 21:49 |
| johnx | a very precise, persistent cat | 21:49 |
| lcuk | tho then it ws "oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | or kiddo | 21:49 |
| RST38h | what happens when he bites through the power cord? anyone checked? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | precise csame position on the keyboard | 21:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, same thing, but in real life instead :D | 21:50 |
| RST38h | hehe | 21:50 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol my cat it did yesterday also? | 21:52 |
| radic | Is there a way to get the packet-injection for the wlan-adapter working on the N800? | 21:53 |
| benson | AndrewFBlack: Absolutely. | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yes andres | 21:53 |
| benson | oiiiiiiii... and so on. | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yes andrew | 21:53 |
| johnx | radic, add it to the driver | 21:53 |
| lcuk | it was "oiiiiiiiii" only 1 o | 21:54 |
| radic | johnx: wich chip ist the N800 using? | 21:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | lol sorry about that | 21:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | she is good she even renames files on my computer someties | 21:55 |
| johnx | radic, currently we're using the cx3110x driver, but there's a newer open sourced driver | 21:55 |
| * johnx googles the name | 21:55 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | stlc45xx | 21:55 |
| johnx | thanks :) | 21:55 |
| radic | qwerty12_N800: supports that drive packetinjection? | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No idea how I remembered that, I usually rely on google suggest :) | 21:56 |
| benson | AndrewFBlack: I have a cool keyboard; it has a "key Lock" key on it, that toggles all keyboard input off. | 21:56 |
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| benson | Of course, I don't have a cat, so it's a nuisance, I only lock _myself_ out. | 21:57 |
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| pupnik | ctrl+s still confuses some people wonderfully | 21:57 |
| thopiekar | is there a way to change the screen sensibility of the N8x0? | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | radic, think so if used with a much newer kernel - it uses mac8001x (somth like that) | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i think i made a booboo with the x86 liqbase, i let it compile with errors and now a render takes about 5 seconds per frame | 21:57 |
| benson | qwerty12_N800: I don't think it does, but it should be easy to add; that's what I'd heard... | 21:58 |
| lcuk | i believe i am trying to draw something like -923 lines | 21:58 |
| AndrewFBlack | well this is my Eee pc I just for get to close it some times | 21:58 |
| lcuk | its more likely your thumb when you pick it up | 21:58 |
| benson | qwerty12_N800: But mac80211 (?) is backported by Nokia, so you wouldn't even need the newer kernel. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | you use your right hand dont you :P | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | benson, not entirely sure about this myself, but I hear from solc that any driver that uses mac80211 gets the benefit of packet injection | 21:59 |
| AndrewFBlack | atleast she doesn't do it over and over all da lol | 21:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | benson, really? Wonder why they want people to compile against linux-omap then :) | 22:00 |
| benson | qwerty12_N800: k, just what I'd heard, and I'm not really knowledgable in that. :) | 22:00 |
| radic | ach scheisse, der aschenbecher raucht... | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | benson, me neither :) | 22:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse dpkg & permissions | 22:01 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg & permissions ! | 22:01 |
| johnx | Tear 0.3 + Google Reader = <3 | 22:02 |
| doc|home | johnx: tear 0.3? It's only 0.2.2 on garage. | 22:03 |
| doc|home | build it yourself? | 22:03 |
| johnx | doc|home, nope. check the tear 0.3 thread on ITT | 22:03 |
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| johnx | he's promising to do a proper release to garage and extras(-devel) when he's ready | 22:04 |
| themactep | looks like MS is going to put NetBSD on ARM devices - http://tinyurl.com/cbff2d | 22:04 |
| doc|home | which forum? | 22:04 |
| johnx | hmm, good question | 22:04 |
| RST38h | NetBSD ran on ARM devices for a while | 22:04 |
| benson | doc|home: Use the search, Luke. | 22:04 |
| johnx | doc|home, googled: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26475 | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Developers iirc | 22:05 |
| pupnik | RST38h: btw did you ever try your NES emu on 770? | 22:05 |
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| doc|home | benson: hehe, yeah, figured a general idea might help though :) | 22:05 |
| doc|home | johnx: thanks | 22:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, do logs for packages built using binary-indep rule exist? I can see logs for stuff created in formido package with binary-arch but I'd like to know where i'd went wrong with formido-data & its binary-indep rule as the package I built in scratchbox installed data files to my memory card successfully :/ | 22:08 |
| johnx | does the builder do a test install or something? | 22:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | think it just produces debs and sends them on the way to -devel :) | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But i'm no expert - far from it. | 22:11 |
| johnx | neither am I. I start a couple of my own distro projects rather than upload to extras :D | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | God, I'm annoyed because i nearly started dancing when I saw it worked that one time :/ | 22:13 |
| johnx | yeah, I know how that goes | 22:14 |
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| johnx | I thought I got xfbdev packaged up all nice once it went through the whole build then realized later that none of the ~20 patches had applied | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn :( | 22:15 |
| johnx | but it works now, so I'm happy enough | 22:15 |
| johnx | I still wonder why I end up with a Xephyr binary even with ./configure --disable-xephyr. I'm leaning towards somethin in debian/rules like rm $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/Xephyr :) | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I did that with zenity after dh_install added the glade resource file to two packages. I know it's probably wrong but i'd know dpkg would whine when installing :) | 22:18 |
| RST38h | disabling it probably means not using it | 22:18 |
| * RST38h is restoring old ti85 emulator | 22:18 | |
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| johnx | RST38h, not 'using' it? | 22:19 |
| johnx | I seek illumination o' great oracle :) | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . the first result for 'screen protectors maemo' on Google is "wiki.maemo.org/Special:Random" | 22:20 |
| * timeless rotfl | 22:20 | |
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| timeless | gan: so... i'm fiarly close to done | 22:22 |
| timeless | i think i got the battery thing working to satisfy an american customer | 22:22 |
| timeless | anyone here know what in the world this comes from: | 22:22 |
| timeless | "Crop image before proceeding?" | 22:22 |
| benson | Oh, yes. | 22:23 |
| benson | You have a crop region selected, and tried to exit, open a different image, or some such. | 22:24 |
| timeless | oh | 22:24 |
| timeless | ok | 22:24 |
| timeless | thanks! | 22:24 |
| timeless | Crop image before continuing? | 22:25 |
| benson | NP, hit it yesterday when playing with aspect ratios. ;) | 22:25 |
| benson | Sounds good. | 22:25 |
| timeless | fwiw, that stuff is fixed in my latest set | 22:25 |
| timeless | it looks nice | 22:25 |
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| johnx | google streetview has seen my parents' house more recently than I have O_o | 22:26 |
| timeless | heh | 22:26 |
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| timeless | how about "Resetting Bluetooth devices<E2><80><A6>" | 22:27 |
| timeless | ? | 22:27 |
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| timeless | or | 22:27 |
| timeless | "Resetting the game will close all opened levels. Continue anyway?" | 22:27 |
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| * timeless frowns | 22:29 | |
| timeless | ok, help | 22:30 |
| timeless | if you open marbles | 22:30 |
| timeless | and actually play it | 22:30 |
| timeless | app menu>settings>reset>reset game progress | 22:30 |
| timeless | which sounds better: | 22:33 |
| timeless | Settings>Reset>Reset game progress | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Missed this one: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/first-look-the-maemo-5-multimedia-framework.ars | 22:33 |
| timeless | Settings>Reset>Game progress | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reset seems redundant to me | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arguably the "Reset" submenu is more at fault than "Reset game progress" but not much you can do about that. | 22:35 |
| timeless | right | 22:35 |
| timeless | right, so back to the original problem :) | 22:36 |
| timeless | oh wait | 22:36 |
| * timeless is pretty sure this message is borked | 22:36 | |
| timeless | so, Marbles is kinda cool | 22:37 |
| timeless | it has 4 chapters, and 8 levels per chapter | 22:37 |
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| timeless | if you trigger that menu item | 22:39 |
| timeless | it says: | 22:39 |
| timeless | Resetting the game will close all opened | 22:39 |
| timeless | levels. Continue anyway? | 22:39 |
| timeless | [OK][Cancel] | 22:39 |
| benson | Maybe: "Resetting the game will reset the game. Continue?" | 22:40 |
| timeless | heh | 22:40 |
| timeless | ok, "anyway" bites the dust | 22:40 |
| timeless | Clear all completed levels? | 22:41 |
| timeless | [OK] [Cancel] | 22:41 |
| timeless | ? | 22:41 |
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| benson | Sounbds good. | 22:41 |
| benson | s/b// | 22:43 |
| infobot | benson meant: Sounds good. | 22:43 |
| timeless | ok, open Mahjong | 22:45 |
| fbb | 96 | 22:45 |
| benson | k | 22:45 |
| Proteous | how about just save all completed levels automaticly :P | 22:45 |
| timeless | proteous: it does... | 22:46 |
| timeless | this is only for the stupid case where someone wants to start fomr scratch | 22:46 |
| timeless | anyway, open mahjong | 22:46 |
| Proteous | ah | 22:46 |
| benson | timeless: got it | 22:46 |
| timeless | there's a button in the bottom right corner | 22:46 |
| timeless | ignore the fact that its size sucks | 22:46 |
| timeless | (not thumbable) | 22:46 |
| * benson hits it just fine with his thumb. | 22:47 | |
| timeless | is it bad for me to want "High Scores" instead? | 22:47 |
| timeless | or at least "Best Times" | 22:47 |
| benson | Well... trouble is, they're not high, and they're not scores. | 22:47 |
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| benson | But it's tempting to roll with the idiom | 22:47 |
| benson | Best Times is an improvement, imho. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can it be "Good Times", please? :D | 22:48 |
| * timeless chuckles | 22:48 | |
| benson | But nothing in Maemo seems to use title case, and I'm not sure why. | 22:48 |
| timeless | benson: my locale does | 22:48 |
| timeless | have you installed it yet? | 22:49 |
| benson | No, where do I get it? | 22:49 |
| benson | OK, cool, if you're being consistent. | 22:49 |
| timeless | gimme a few mins to repack | 22:49 |
| * johnx sleeps | 22:50 | |
| timeless | btw, would you normally write 'Game over' or 'Game Over'? | 22:51 |
| * timeless is leaning toward the latter | 22:51 | |
| benson | timeless: on button-size, I do prefer the large size, I just don't find the small ones all that annoying unless I have gloves on. | 22:51 |
| benson | GAME OVAR! | 22:51 |
| benson | Or "Game Over" | 22:51 |
| timeless | it used to say | 22:51 |
| timeless | Game over | 22:51 |
| timeless | You loose | 22:51 |
| benson | lol | 22:51 |
| timeless | my favorite female insult | 22:51 |
| timeless | and we shipped it that way for iirc 3 products | 22:52 |
| * timeless grumbles | 22:52 | |
| timeless | hello world | 22:52 |
| timeless | ok, next stupid question | 22:52 |
| timeless | blocks kinda sucks | 22:52 |
| timeless | it has two buttons when it's running | 22:52 |
| timeless | Restart and Pause|Exit | 22:52 |
| * benson launches blocks... | 22:52 | |
| timeless | currently in your device it says "Exit to menu" | 22:52 |
| AndrewFBlack | I'm trying to setup lxde to use with mer but FN button doesn't work of course I was wonder is there any way to setup shortcut where like Control Q will type a 1? | 22:53 |
| timeless | in the package i'm going to give you, it says "Pause" | 22:53 |
| benson | Yeah, I see. | 22:53 |
| timeless | but technically if the game is over, it isn't "pause" | 22:53 |
| benson | Pause is much better. | 22:53 |
| timeless | can i get away w/ that technicality? | 22:53 |
| benson | Hmmm... "Return to menu" would work, "exit" is just plain wrong. | 22:54 |
| benson | I think you could get buy with Pause, but Menu, or return to menu, would be better. | 22:55 |
| timeless | we'll try Menu | 22:55 |
| * benson doesn't like lies, not even honest lies. ;) | 22:55 | |
| benson | Other options: back, or back to menu... | 22:56 |
| timeless | would people object to the browser settings dialog having: | 22:59 |
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| timeless | "Privacy and Insecurity" | 22:59 |
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| benson | Not I! | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | am i wicked if i make liqbase depend on gcc? | 22:59 |
| Proteous | yes | 23:00 |
| Proteous | you need to be spanked | 23:00 |
| lcuk | awww but i could put an ide on the device :) | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Getting gcc means sdk repo :) | 23:00 |
| timeless | is "Save form passwords" an understandable checkbox? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N800 thats the decider | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | i should just prefix every mad thought with "qwerty, can i ..." | 23:01 |
| lcuk | 800*480 doesnt scale too well to 1024*768 | 23:01 |
| lcuk | it leaves borders at the edges | 23:01 |
| timeless | "Break the web" | 23:02 |
| * timeless considers | 23:02 | |
| lcuk | "let wife see pron signups" | 23:02 |
| timeless | ok, how can i rewrite "Enable automatic redirection" | 23:02 |
| timeless | "Don't break the web" | 23:02 |
| timeless | ? | 23:02 |
| timeless | "Don't show stupid dialog" | 23:03 |
| timeless | ? | 23:03 |
| timeless | "Don't show stupid error" | 23:03 |
| lcuk | to be honest, users have heard of redirection | 23:03 |
| timeless | to be honest none of these items should exist | 23:03 |
| timeless | my favorite feature is that browser cache is 50% smaller than feed reader's | 23:03 |
| lcuk | they are options for the browser | 23:04 |
| timeless | 1/2..4mb v. 1mb..8mb | 23:04 |
| lcuk | didnt you write it? | 23:04 |
| timeless | the dialog? | 23:04 |
| timeless | no, i inherited it from a spec from 5-8 years ago | 23:04 |
| timeless | based on features supported by some random opera mobile browser | 23:04 |
| timeless | i've been trying to get rid of most of these prefs since about day 1 | 23:04 |
| lcuk | heh, theres a name for things like that in out place - its called "stuart code" | 23:04 |
| timeless | even a couple of rewrites hasn't helped | 23:04 |
| lcuk | stuart gave mel a run for his money | 23:05 |
| timeless | anyway | 23:05 |
| timeless | suggestions welcome | 23:05 |
| matan | AndrewFBlack: What do you mean FN key does not work? It is supposed to work on xkb level, without hildon-input-method support. | 23:05 |
| lcuk | timeless, suggestion - leave these as they are? we are gettin a new browser anyway if all these webkit jobbies work | 23:06 |
| timeless | it's kinda sad that a browser engineer rewrites all the strings for the entire platform | 23:07 |
| timeless | but gives no ui love to the browser | 23:07 |
| timeless | but the reason i never gave ui love, is that it isn't possible | 23:07 |
| lcuk | agreed entirely | 23:07 |
| lcuk | :) a browser downloads its main ui | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | matan, in Mer, the x-server doesn't support it - its keycode is out of the range supported by the xserver. i think there's an evdev & hal hack somewhere for mer to remap it but i'm unsure on the details myself :) | 23:08 |
| benson | Don't worry bout it, Tear is gonna obsolete it anyhow. ;) | 23:08 |
| timeless | benson: did the debs install? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | benson, how do you know something isnt gonna just jump out from nowhere | 23:08 |
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| benson | Still going. | 23:08 |
| timeless | how bad is your network? | 23:08 |
| benson | lcuk: liqbrowser? | 23:09 |
| benson | timeless: network's fine, CPU clog here. | 23:09 |
| lcuk | nahhh not my cup of tea, but when the new liqbase is released its not out of the question for someone to make one | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i dont know enough about webkit | 23:09 |
| AndrewFBlack | qwerty12_N800, if you find anything about that out let me know I'm use a on screen keyboar right now but it is resource heavy lol | 23:10 |
| timeless | Accepts cookies: [Always, Crash when given new cocokies, Never] | 23:10 |
| timeless | s/coc/co/ | 23:10 |
| infobot | timeless meant: Accepts cookies: [Always, Crash when given new cookies, Never] | 23:10 |
| timeless | do those options make sense? | 23:11 |
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| timeless | "Try to crash" | 23:11 |
| timeless | "Crash or nag me" | 23:12 |
| * timeless settles on that last one | 23:12 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bundyo's gonna need more help if Tear's gonna obsolete MicroB. :P | 23:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders about MicroB trademark usage in Fremantle. | 23:13 | |
| timeless | MicroB trademark? | 23:14 |
| * timeless didn't think we got a trademark | 23:14 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its ok, we will make sure bundyo gets a list of silly dialog messages to compete ;) | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whether MicroB will include also include the UI since its open | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mozilla based browser for Maemo needs to die | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Maemo/maemo/ | 23:15 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Mozilla based browser for maemo needs to die | 23:15 |
| matan | qwerty12_N800: But you have source of the kernel, why not just replace KEY_FN with some unused value in the range in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx44-keyboard.c (or board-n810-keyboard.c, as might be appropriate)? | 23:15 |
| timeless | oh that | 23:15 |
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| timeless | yeah um | 23:15 |
| timeless | do we actually show that anywhere? | 23:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:16 |
| timeless | well yeah | 23:16 |
| timeless | i can rewrite that at any time | 23:16 |
| timeless | and if you want permission to rewrite the entire site, sign up, i'll grant it | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something I've been pondering for a while. | 23:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | matan, I'm not Stskeeps nor johnx but I don't think they want people to reflash the kernel if it's going to be the same version, and as it's a pre-release I presume compatibility with Maemo (i.e having the key in Maemo still working) will be wanted currently | 23:18 |
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| timeless | "Close application and\n" | 23:19 |
| timeless | "pause active download?\n" | 23:19 |
| timeless | "%s" | 23:19 |
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| timeless | can anyone explain why that should say 'application' instead of 'Web' ? | 23:19 |
| * Stskeeps continues talking to bme. | 23:20 | |
| benson | Because "Web" is a horrible name for a browser, and makes you sound like Ted Stevens? | 23:20 |
| timeless | well err | 23:20 |
| timeless | i could rename 'Web' to 'Browser' everywhere | 23:20 |
| benson | If one accepts "Web", then yes, it should say Web instead of Application. | 23:20 |
| timeless | now would be a good time to do that | 23:20 |
| timeless | should i? | 23:21 |
| benson | Browser's kind lousy too, but better than Web. | 23:21 |
| benson | s/d /d of / | 23:21 |
| infobot | benson meant: Browser's kind of lousy too, but better than Web. | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | making BME get a SIGHUP triggers the wd | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | as in, one of the sighups you get from socket connectiosn | 23:24 |
| w00t | ooh, Stskeeps is writing an ircd again | 23:24 |
| w00t | </humour> | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: heh | 23:24 |
| lbt | I have a widget which initiates a data change which causes the parent to be deleted during the event handler. What's the Qt pattern for doing this; kinda like 'deleteLater()' but more 'handle_this_event_Later()' | 23:25 |
| lbt | oops - wrong channel :) | 23:25 |
| w00t | rather :-P | 23:25 |
| lbt | well, not *that* wrong :) it's for a Qt app on the n800 | 23:25 |
| lbt | ho Stskeeps | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo lbt, how goes it? | 23:26 |
| lbt | it goes well - got some free time now | 23:26 |
| lbt | rather a lot actually ;) | 23:26 |
| lbt | so qtshopper is born | 23:27 |
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| lbt | but I see 'Mer'.... I've a lot to catch up on! | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, try browse through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 23:27 |
| lbt | how is debnut? | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | well Mer is deblet's successor | 23:28 |
| lbt | that was what I thought - cool | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | it was realized deblet would just act like a desktop distribution | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of power usage and such | 23:28 |
| * timeless ponders "http://www.navicore.fi/mynavicore/en_GB/" | 23:28 | |
| timeless | it's an interesting page | 23:28 |
| timeless | as long as you're dealing w/ a Symbian app | 23:28 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: does the maemo Qt run on it? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: didn't compile it for it yet honestly | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woo! all I had to do was to chown 29999:0 as opposed to user:root :) | 23:30 |
| timeless | oops | 23:30 |
| * timeless cries | 23:30 | |
| * timeless screwed up contacts | 23:30 | |
| lbt | OK - I'm finishing up porting from gtk. It's a lot faster and so much better documented! | 23:30 |
| lbt | plus #gtk has tumbleweed whilst #qt has helpful people :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, hows it run on device then, nice and slick? | 23:30 |
| lbt | hey lcuk | 23:31 |
| lbt | yes - much nicer | 23:31 |
| lcuk | hiya :) | 23:31 |
| lbt | been a while | 23:31 |
| lcuk | yeah - knew you had your head into qt - after seeing your ++ code i wondered how long it would take | 23:31 |
| keesj | Qt FTW | 23:32 |
| timeless | ok, looking for final beta testers :) | 23:32 |
| timeless | anyone up for it? | 23:32 |
| * lcuk mutters something about destruction of the c++ language, qt has its own dialect | 23:32 | |
| * keesj was just about to go into suspend | 23:32 | |
| * benson cheers anything involving destruction of C++! | 23:33 | |
| lcuk | i have a love hate relationship with it - i want objects, but i dont want the brainfunk | 23:33 |
| benson | timeless: in 5 minutes, I'm up. | 23:33 |
| lbt | qt is bootiful | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i keep seriously considering getting cfront working | 23:33 |
| lbt | timeless: for... | 23:34 |
| lcuk | lbt, liqbase has been split into 2 now - a core library, and a ui app. the ui allows dynamic components to be added :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | its all coming to life quite nicely | 23:34 |
| timeless | benson: ok, it's building packages now. i'll let you know when it's pushed | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | lbt, have you got proper touchable widgets yet - when i looked at qt a few weeks ago on my x41 the qt designer still used mouse sensitive lists and things | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | so i was sat there with my touchscreen having to aim for a little biddy tiny teeny scrollbar ;) | 23:36 |
| lbt | nah - this is pure Qt 4.3 | 23:36 |
| lbt | (or 4.4) | 23:36 |
| timeless | ok, pushed | 23:36 |
| lcuk | yeah - i know apps built in qt compile on multi platforms, but the paradigm isnt the same for touch | 23:36 |
| * lcuk sees that more and more | 23:37 | |
| lbt | I'm just playing in the app space for now - but I'm delighted that 'all' I needed to do was replace the ui, not the data or xml stuff | 23:37 |
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| wazd | `whew, I'm back | 23:38 |
| lcuk | yeah that core was fine no matter what ui really | 23:38 |
| lcuk | damn! compiling for my x41 - ive got a bug in the blitter :'( | 23:38 |
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| timeless | gan? | 23:42 |
| user_ | m_sparks | 23:42 |
| timeless | what's the user/ section for translations? | 23:42 |
| * benson goes for the beta... | 23:43 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, user/system probably | 23:46 |
| * timeless frowns | 23:46 | |
| timeless | ok | 23:46 |
| * timeless thinks one of the packages will fail on mer | 23:46 | |
| timeless | or if not fail, do something extremely stupid | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Translations for a certain application will end up under that application's "category" eventually. | 23:47 |
| * Jaffa nods | 23:47 | |
| RST38h | wazd: Around? | 23:47 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep | 23:48 |
| timeless | ok, packaging problem | 23:49 |
| timeless | how do i make Foo depend on Bar or Nothing | 23:49 |
| timeless | do i need to make a no-bar package | 23:49 |
| timeless | and have Bar depend on the thing it wants to munge (Ba) | 23:49 |
| timeless | and have Nothing conflict with Ba | 23:49 |
| timeless | ? | 23:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.albion.edu/math/MBollman/TI85.jpg | 23:50 |
| timeless | because right now... If you try to install on Mer, it should fail | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Or's are done like '1package | alternatepackage' | 23:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: the "display" is going to be 256x128 pixels | 23:50 |
| timeless | since i'm trying to munge tutorial which isn't part of Mer | 23:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: the whole thing will be 480x800, gonna make it look exactly like the real calculator | 23:50 |
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| balor | Should the N810 power on when connected to AC via the charger, but with no battery present? | 23:51 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: couldn't you have your "no-bar" package be one of Mer's system packages which aren't in Maemo? | 23:51 |
| timeless | jaffa: yeah | 23:51 |
| timeless | i think i can solve this by fixing my postinst | 23:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: got it | 23:51 |
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| wazd | RST38h: will be ready tomorow :) | 23:52 |
| timeless | interesting | 23:52 |
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| timeless | Estimated time remaing | 23:52 |
| timeless | 18 hours, maximum | 23:52 |
| timeless | Less than one hour of use | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: if you can fit it into ~ 720x400, do so by all means | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: this is approximately how much window space we have got when not in full screen mode | 23:53 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its less with the hildon borders | 23:53 |
| timeless | ok | 23:53 |
| RST38h | lcuk: how much is it exactly? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | but native x11 has 720*400 allocated | 23:53 |
| timeless | "Tap 'Restart' to try again" | 23:53 |
| timeless | or | 23:53 |
| timeless | "Tap 'Restart' to play again" | 23:53 |
| lcuk | /#define HILDON_APPVIEW_HEIGHT 396 | 23:53 |
| lcuk | /#define HILDON_APPVIEW_WIDTH 672 | 23:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: so what's the size?) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: what lcuk says | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i adjusted yesterday for it | 23:54 |
| wazd | k | 23:54 |
| lcuk | and im not sure how fixed that is | 23:54 |
| wazd | 396x672 | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i found that ages ago looking around for something else | 23:54 |
| RST38h | wazdL 672x396 will fit the window, 800x480 will fir the whole screen | 23:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: you decide if it fits 396x672 (does not have to) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | randomly cut off buttons until it fits | 23:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, what would you prefer?) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | people wont miss a few number keys etc | 23:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can do 2 versions for example | 23:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: and you'll choose the right one) | 23:55 |
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| * timeless frowns | 23:59 | |
| timeless | anyone know what "internal memory" is? | 23:59 |
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