IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-01-23

Stskeepie	(the menu point might first appear after a reboot.)	00:00
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arocs	Any web browser working in mer?	00:02
johnx	midori works well	00:02
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arocs	I am installing it , but get stuck in the apt-get ip : 91.189.88.36 ... no download	00:03
johnx	does it fail to connect or give you a 404?	00:04
arocs	now downloading ...	00:04
Stskeepie	arocs: there's a problem with mer repository but ubuntu repository should work..	00:04
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arocs	What about a spreadsheet or abiword	00:04
Stskeepie	apt-get install abiword :)	00:04
arocs	That is easy ...	00:05
Stskeepie	we have all applications ported to ubuntu on arm, so	00:05
radic	Stskeepie: abiword is ported?	00:05
arocs	ok	00:05
johnx	I believe ubuntu's abiword should work. we'll be pulling over more maemo-ized stuff over time though	00:05
Stskeepie	radic: we don't even have to. it integrates quite well into hildon	00:05
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Stskeepie	i would show a screenshot but my server is down right now :)	00:08
arocs	I have installed mer in a 8gb sd card ... Is it possible to install mer in only 3 GB of this card .... ?	00:08
Stskeepie	arocs: yes, through the advanced mode, but it is a bit wonky at times	00:09
* johnx makes coffee and a package for xserver-kdrive-xfbdev		00:09
arocs	And the rest of the sd-card for fat ?	00:09
johnx	arocs, do you have a linux desktop?	00:09
arocs	yes	00:10
arocs	Ubuntu	00:10
johnx	reboot into maemo, and use gparted to resize the partition, then add another after it	00:10
johnx	system -> admin -> partition editor	00:10
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johnx	errr...reboot into maemo, plug tablet into desktop via usb, on the desktop use gparted	00:11
johnx	<- needs that coffee, stat!	00:11
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Jaffa	johnx: Mer_Wishlist should probably be moved to Mer/Wishlist	00:12
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* b-man trashes gentoo install on his N800 to re-create a ubuntu rootfs.tar.gz because original tar.gz that he uploaded got corrupted somehow		00:12
Jaffa	johnx: Or even Mer/Proprietary_reuse_wishlist	00:12
johnx	Jaffa, would you mind? and/or what is the trick to moving things?	00:12
arocs	I am new with N800 , previously i have got a pocketpc Dell axim x51v ... But ... what i know is that inside omap processor is a 3d accelerator .. would be possible in the future to use it in MER ?	00:12
timelE61i	Can someone w/ microb try something for me? :)	00:12
* Jaffa has no idea; I'm going to click the "Move" button ;-)		00:13
Stskeepie	arocs: sadly only on OMAP3 probably	00:13
Stskeepie	arocs: MBX drivers has not been publicized	00:13
Stskeepie	(long discussion)	00:13
arocs	i see ..	00:13
Jaffa	johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Nokia_wishlist	00:13
timelE61i	sts: yeah sure, why not? :)	00:14
Stskeepie	arocs: next nokia device has 3d acceleration	00:14
timelE61i	sts: all the better to render vaporware :)	00:15
arocs	But what i do not understand is that having 3d in the n800 , what happens to nokia that it is not use it ...!!!	00:15
Stskeepie	arocs: because it costs a lot of money to get a open source driver, probably :)	00:16
Stskeepie	arocs: and we're doing quite okay without it	00:16
Stskeepie	i mean, we're not playing quake 3	00:16
Stskeepie	arocs: but trust me, this discussion about 3d on n8x0 has been going on for ages :)	00:16
arocs	yes , in my x51v i have got video accelerated by the 3d proccessor ... not only in games .. in videos	00:16
qwerty12_N800	(and never led anywhere)	00:16
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arocs	Sorry , i am new member of a second hand n800 ... Now .. i am not using my old x51v .. only my n800 ...	00:17
Stskeepie	hehe, quite addictive little buggers they are :)	00:18
timelE61i	sO... No one w/ microb willing to try something for me? :(	00:18
Stskeepie	timelE61i: what do you need tested?	00:19
timelE61i	1. Google.com/search?q=hel+to+bru+2/6+to+2/8&hl=en	00:19
timelE61i	Click the expedia special search	00:19
lcuk	does anyone have any very short c code which shows how to programmatically bring up the hildon OSK?	00:20
timelE61i	lcuk: mxr garage osso-xterm	00:21
timelE61i	Search it :)	00:21
Stskeepie	timelE61i: and what am i looking for?	00:21
lcuk	mmmnmm thanks	00:21
timelE61i	sts: did the search load?	00:21
* lcuk searches for something he doesnt know the name of		00:21
timelE61i	Try hildon :)	00:22
Stskeepie	timelE61i: not sure i'm getting the expedia special search	00:22
timelE61i	osso-xterm shouldn't have many osso bits :)	00:22
timelE61i	Sts:the special search recognizes you're doing an airport path	00:23
arocs	Thanks for all ...	00:23
arocs	See you ...	00:23
Stskeepie	timelE61i, nop, sorry, not for me :P	00:23
timelE61i	Prefills the orig/dest+dates and has links for a bunch of links for search engines	00:23
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qwerty12_N800	lcuk, a quick flick through : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2009-January/053844.html may help	00:23
timelE61i	Sts: gah...	00:24
timelE61i	oh oops	00:25
timelE61i	1. Google.com/search?q=fly+hel+to+bru+2/6+to+2/8&hl=en	00:25
RST38h	All right, a few more motions and I will have a virtual keyboard in Speccy and fMSX on Maemo	00:25
* timelE61i forgot the verb		00:25
qwerty12_N800	RST38h, I'll be in your debt forever for vkb in fMSX :)	00:26
timelE61i	sts: try again ? :)	00:27
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, :) thank you spot on. it shows it prefers a gtk window	00:27
* lcuk curses and gets back to his keyboard ;)		00:27
qwerty12_N800	:)	00:27
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Jake42-2	hi guys	00:29
Jake42-2	I would need some help in compiling with maemo SDK...	00:29
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Jake42-2	how may I start compiling?	00:30
Stskeepie	there's a large amount of training material on the maemo.org site	00:30
Jake42-2	I know	00:31
Jake42-2	right now I study http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/README.html	00:31
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Jake42-2	but... I just want to implement the php5-mysql which is a lib	00:31
Jake42-2	and doesn't need GUI	00:32
Jake42-2	isn't there anyway just to compile the source code from debian?	00:32
Jake42-2	*any way	00:32
Jake42-2	Stskeepie can you help a little bit more?	00:34
Stskeepie	if you write my academic paper on pervasive positioning within the next 6 hours, sure.	00:34
Jake42-2	... :(	00:35
Jake42-2	too bad....	00:35
Jake42-2	just 1 think	00:35
Jake42-2	what is the target file	00:35
Jake42-2	that I need to make	00:35
Jake42-2	armel?	00:35
Stskeepie	yes.	00:35
Jake42-2	(in order to run the package in N810)	00:35
Jake42-2	ok	00:35
Jake42-2	and at the final step	00:35
Jake42-2	a file named aaa. (suffix?)	00:36
Jake42-2	would be produced?	00:36
Stskeepie	deb..	00:36
Jake42-2	but the ordinary deb file for armel doesn't work...	00:36
* Stskeepie grabs the bacon chips		00:37
Jake42-2	http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/php5-mysql/download	00:38
Jake42-2	this one isn't enough :(	00:38
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Jake42-2	what else should I do?	00:38
lcuk	run mysql on server, use when in wifi range :D	00:38
Jake42-2	I know that...	00:39
Jake42-2	I already have done it	00:39
GeneralAntilles	Matroska is an irritating container.	00:39
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Jake42-2	but the mobile device should be able	00:39
Jake42-2	to run in a non-wifi environment, as well	00:39
Jake42-2	lcuk can you help me a little?	00:40
lcuk	the same is true for the operator as well, its not something we do often, normally database work on the device is done with sqlite. development assumes you are a knowledgable person who understands compilation and building apps, scratchbox has lots of information and documentation	00:40
Stskeepie	timelE61i: very annoying flash banner	00:40
Stskeepie	trying without FTW	00:41
Stskeepie	timelE61i: non-stop finnair 372$	00:41
Jake42-2	lcuk you are right, but in greek universities the Professor just assign the jobs.... (NO help)	00:41
timelyx	sts: when we tried w/ microb	00:42
timelyx	we got a page that never finished loading	00:42
Jake42-2	and even more.... even himself doesn't know the difficulty of the assignment	00:42
lcuk	in english universities the students study to learn	00:42
Stskeepie	timelyx: weird, works fine here	00:42
Jake42-2	I had to learn maemo compiling in less than 2 weeks....	00:43
Jake42-2	sounds good?	00:43
Jake42-2	(for me it's impossible... but I just try to accomplish...)	00:43
qwerty12_N800	2 weeks is plenty to read the stuff off www.maemo.org & www.google.com	00:43
lcuk	if you are a developer used to the language and build methods of linux and creating apps and knowing the libraries, then 2 weeks is a reasonable time. however if you dont know or understand anything about general linux building methods or the languages or libraries you are using it could take a lot longer	00:44
Jake42-2	I am not a developer, and also I have extra lessons to study as well	00:44
timelE61i	oR you could python :)	00:44
timelE61i	+ use	00:45
lcuk	Jake42-2, are you the only one in your class who is doing this assignment?	00:45
RST38h	So, no longer compiling mysql? =)	00:45
lcuk	ie: teamwork	00:45
Jake42-2	I spill time	00:45
Jake42-2	RST38h no	00:45
Jaffa	Right. Bed time. Work in progress for new Mer homepage: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Mer_homepage - anything which is currently on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development)	00:46
Jake42-2	I want to go as far as it is possible	00:46
RST38h	Good.	00:46
Jake42-2	so....	00:46
lcuk	Jake42-2, then please open #gentoo and get moving :)	00:46
Jake42-2	??????????	00:46
johnx	Jaffa, that looks nice!	00:46
Jake42-2	lcuk why???? I don't understand...	00:46
Jaffa	johnx: the "Development" button will change colour, cos it clashes with the blue of the logo.	00:47
VDVsx	Jaffa, nice work :)	00:47
Stskeepie	Jaffa: we need something to deal with participants or something	00:47
Stskeepie	as we have a participants list on the page right now	00:47
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Stskeepie	maybe a "People" or something :P	00:47
Jaffa	Stskeepie: yes, that'll be on one of the sub-pages (or perhaps two)	00:47
Stskeepie	k	00:47
Jaffa	A summary list of people might not be a bad idea, I'll ponder.	00:48
Jake42-2	does anyone knows why the http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/php5-mysql/download isn't good for N810????	00:48
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Jaffa	No content will be lost :)	00:48
johnx	Jake42-2, because the binary is for debian, not maemo.	00:48
* Stskeepie believes in making the list of people at least a sub page, as recognition for the work done is good, and may be used as a motivator :P		00:48
VDVsx	Jaffa, "people involved" for e.g	00:48
johnx	Jake42-2, why did you quite using easy debian? that's the quickest route to reach your goal	00:48
Jaffa	Stskeepie: indeed	00:49
Jake42-2	johnx I don't know how	00:49
Stskeepie	as in, i'd be able to point to Mer on my CV and say, I worked on this	00:49
Jake42-2	give me some directions	00:49
johnx	Jake42-2, this isn't my project. I already quit college	00:49
Jaffa	*omepage - anything which is currently on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development) *	00:49
Jake42-2	:(	00:49
Stskeepie	alright	00:49
Jake42-2	you told me to install the php	00:49
Jake42-2	and all the staff on easy debian	00:50
Jake42-2	ok...	00:50
Jake42-2	but the reposotory is blank	00:50
Stskeepie	Jaffa: besides that, looks brilliant :	00:50
Stskeepie	:)	00:50
Jake42-2	how should I stuff it?	00:50
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johnx	Jake42-2, install the latest easy debian 'turbo edition.' it has the sources.list setup	00:51
VDVsx	a index of all pages about Mer will be useful too	00:51
Jake42-2	I installed it	00:51
Jake42-2	but it is empty	00:52
johnx	Jake42-2, then something went wrong	00:52
Jake42-2	(does it "use" the same repo as maemo?)	00:52
johnx	no	00:52
Jake42-2	[is there any way to recall the repo?]	00:52
johnx	try adding this to sources.list:	00:53
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johnx	deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free	00:53
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Jake42-2	in easy debian	00:55
Jake42-2	which combination is the ESC ?	00:56
johnx	the "back arrow" button on the left of your n810, next to the screen	00:56
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Jake42-2	aaaaaaaaa yes... right...	00:57
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Jake42-2	now	00:58
Jake42-2	apt-get update	00:58
Jake42-2	?	00:58
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johnx	yes	00:59
Jake42-2	E: some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead	00:59
Jake42-2	is it "normal" to happen?	00:59
johnx	no	00:59
Jake42-2	my sources.list	01:00
johnx	that's probably not the right line for sources.list or you didn't put it in quite right	01:00
Jake42-2	has only the one line you told me	01:00
johnx	try removing the gr.	01:01
johnx	or ya'know look it up somewhere	01:01
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Jake42-2	some errors again...	01:03
LinuxHack3r	sisto: It shipped today! Much quicker than I expected.	01:03
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Jake42-2	how may I unistall easy debian	01:03
Jake42-2	and reinstall it again?	01:03
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johnx	Jake42-2, there should be info in the thread	01:04
Jake42-2	rm -r /debian	01:04
Jake42-2	isn't enough?	01:04
johnx	I don't know. if you know how to get rid of it, why are you asking me?	01:05
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Jake42-2	hmmm	01:06
Jake42-2	Is there any way to "format" the whole N810	01:06
Jake42-2	and to recall it to the manufacturer condition?	01:07
johnx	yes	01:07
johnx	~flashing	01:08
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	01:08
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johnx	but that doesn't remove the contents of the internal memory card	01:08
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Jake42-2	ok	01:09
Jake42-2	I'll search about it	01:10
Jake42-2	now..	01:10
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Jake42-2	let's say I install again the easy debian	01:10
Jake42-2	does it support every package of debian etch?	01:10
johnx	yes	01:10
Jake42-2	REAAAAAAAAALLY????	01:10
Jake42-2	(I would be able to install LAMP????)	01:11
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johnx	yes. that's why I tried to convince you to use it	01:11
johnx	then you gave up, so I tried to help you with lighttpd	01:11
Jake42-2	I tried many times	01:12
johnx	if you give up every time you run into a small problem you won't get anywhere	01:12
Jake42-2	in fact I was so happy when I saw on youtube the easy debian install	01:12
johnx	pick one track and try and follow through	01:12
Jake42-2	I will include the #maemo	01:12
Jake42-2	as my refferals :D	01:12
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johnx	heh	01:13
Jake42-2	so...	01:14
Jake42-2	I'll try to flash the N810	01:14
Jake42-2	is there any case to be bricked?	01:14
johnx	no	01:14
Jake42-2	the problem you reffered with the internal memory?	01:15
johnx	delete the files on it or format it before you flash	01:16
Jake42-2	ok	01:16
Jake42-2	I'll try it	01:16
Jake42-2	thanx a lot!!	01:16
sisto	LinuxCode: hooray!	01:16
sisto	LinuxCode: sorry	01:17
LinuxCode	;-D	01:17
Jake42-2	bbbb	01:17
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sisto	LinuxCode: lol	01:17
LinuxCode	glad the device is on its way though	01:17
LinuxCode	although i dont know what for a device	01:17
LinuxCode	as long as its not nuclear and being sent to his neighborhood	01:18
LinuxCode	im happy for you	01:18
LinuxCode	;-p	01:18
sisto	LinuxCode: not me	01:18
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Pavlz	hello	01:18
Pavlz	i	01:18
sisto	linuxhacker wanted to buy an n810	01:18
LinuxCode	ahh sweet	01:18
sisto	and i recommended him a site	01:19
sisto	jr.com	01:19
LinuxCode	arent we all waiting for the 3g version though ?	01:19
sisto	and he purchased it there but it was backordered	01:19
sisto	so he had to wait	01:19
LinuxCode	ahh i see	01:19
Pavlz	i need a program to record with nokia 770	01:19
LinuxCode	;-}	01:19
sisto	3g when?!?!??!	01:19
sisto	i want	01:19
LinuxCode	sisto, rx-51/52 ? cant remmeber will have 3g	01:19
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LinuxCode	ari confimred that there will be a 3g version	01:19
sisto	what is rx-51/52?	01:20
LinuxCode	there was an article in LinuxFormat UK	01:20
sisto	nice	01:20
LinuxCode	cant remember if it was 51 or 52 ..but apparently those are the model numbers when they havent got a final name yet	01:20
* lcuk shaves LinuxCode's eyebrow		01:20
LinuxCode	i think GeneralAntilles mentioned it	01:20
LinuxCode	lcuk, hi	01:21
lcuk	ello	01:21
LinuxCode	how you keeping mate ?	01:21
lcuk	hows it goin	01:21
LinuxCode	haha	01:21
LinuxCode	jinx	01:21
lcuk	im good i think	01:21
lcuk	not gettin enough sleep though	01:21
LinuxCode	im looking at making fedora-business-card templates atm	01:21
LinuxCode	sec	01:21
sisto	LinuxCode: you put me in a dilema	01:21
LinuxCode	sisto, I know what you will say!	01:22
* lcuk yawns		01:22
LinuxCode	lcuk, want to add templates for the creator so people in Germany and the Uk have a place to get prints	01:22
sisto	yes	01:22
LinuxCode	lcuk, hows your project going ?	01:22
sisto	i'm traveling to USA on february and was planning on buying an n810	01:23
LinuxCode	sisto, are you based in Europe ?	01:23
sisto	but i don't know when i will have another chance to buy a device	01:23
sisto	in south america	01:23
LinuxCode	ohh i see	01:23
LinuxCode	i heard they rip you guys off	01:23
sisto	yea	01:23
sisto	n95 used to cost 1000 dollars when it was out	01:24
LinuxCode	well I expect the n900 or whatever it will be in the end	01:24
LinuxCode	will be more costly ...	01:24
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LinuxCode	patent restrictions for components	01:24
sisto	but those devices don't come here	01:25
LinuxCode	costs money for licenses	01:25
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sisto	so i have to take the opportunity and buy one	01:25
sisto	n810 is kinda cheap now i think	01:25
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sisto	i saw it for 250 bucks	01:25
sisto	new	01:25
sisto	LinuxCode: which 1 do u have?	01:26
GeneralAntilles	LinuxCode, those are the model numbers period. ;)	01:26
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GeneralAntilles	RX-51	01:26
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GeneralAntilles	and it'll be the only model so far as we know.	01:27
sisto	here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-nokia-unveils-maemo-roadmap-plans-for-3g-internet-tablet.html	01:27
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sisto	nice!	01:27
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/	01:27
sisto	"Nokia has become today the first to contribute code on HSPA cellular connectivity for OMAP3 processor to Linux kernel,"	01:28
sisto	it seems it will have an omap cpu	01:28
sisto	instead of ARM	01:28
GeneralAntilles	Er	01:28
GeneralAntilles	OMAP is ARM	01:28
GeneralAntilles	It's what we have now	01:28
GeneralAntilles	and it's what we've always had.	01:28
sisto	what?!!??!	01:28
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sisto	crazy	01:28
sisto	:)	01:28
GeneralAntilles	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649	01:28
lcuk	LinuxCode, very well indeed :)	01:28
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, OMAP36x	01:28
GeneralAntilles	That's new.	01:29
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lcuk	growing in confidence each day i straighten something out	01:29
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sisto	OMAP3440 = 800 mhz	01:29
sisto	sweet	01:29
sisto	please use that one :P	01:29
GeneralAntilles	sisto, that's a MID CPU	01:29
GeneralAntilles	Way more power hungry than the OMAP3430	01:30
lcuk	sisto, why - what would you do with all that power?	01:30
GeneralAntilles	Hrm	01:30
sisto	take over the world?	01:30
GeneralAntilles	OMAP36x may very well be what they push for ARM netbooks. . . .	01:30
lcuk	sisto, that 800mhz is faster than my full tabletpc runs	01:31
lcuk	i want a small device with a long life	01:31
lcuk	not a pocketwarmer	01:31
sisto	how many mhz does the OMAP3430 have?	01:32
johnx	lcuk++	01:32
lcuk	though thats a cool mode	01:32
GeneralAntilles	600MHz	01:32
lcuk	more than enough :)	01:32
lcuk	this 400mhz does me quite nicely	01:32
sisto	just like the iphone	01:32
GeneralAntilles	sisto, pfft	01:32
GeneralAntilles	Screw the iPhone	01:32
GeneralAntilles	Cortex, baby.	01:32
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lcuk	can i invoke rule 34 or whatever it is on that gan	01:32
GeneralAntilles	We're in the ballpark of twice as fast as the iPhone.	01:33
wazd_n800	I'm baaack :)	01:33
GeneralAntilles	"or whatever it is"	01:33
sisto	this is the iphone: http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM1176.html	01:33
GeneralAntilles	Like you don't know. :P	01:33
lcuk	:D	01:33
sisto	GeneralAntilles: wow	01:33
GeneralAntilles	Cortax A8 is 2-3x faster than ARM11	01:33
GeneralAntilles	So a 600MHz Cortax A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11 on average.	01:34
wazd_n800	I'm starting to hate a bit russian tablet forums	01:34
johnx	careful with those benchmarks cowboy :P	01:34
qwerty12_N800	hi wazd_n800	01:34
lcuk	sisto, the problem is, with ANY cpu speed you can overload the processor and make it slow, far cry etc show this time and again. now recall computers of old which were fast and slick and responsive. they did that on no more than a few mhz	01:34
wazd_n800	qwerty12_N800, hey, have you hildonized x-chat btw?)	01:35
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lcuk	you simply should not rate the speed of a computer on its cpu speed	01:35
GeneralAntilles	johnx, careful what?	01:35
qwerty12_N800	wazd_n800, it's been done (but not by me :))	01:35
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sisto	that means the iphone just has a very responsive UI	01:35
GeneralAntilles	johnx, these numbers are corroborated by a TI engineer and several other people who would know.	01:35
johnx	GeneralAntilles, with giving general benchmark numbers :)	01:35
johnx	GeneralAntilles, for benchmarks only	01:36
wazd_n800	qwerty12_N800, oh, I thought somehow that you did it)	01:36
GeneralAntilles	Approximate equivalents on average	01:36
GeneralAntilles	I dunno what's to take issue with.	01:36
sisto	lol	01:36
sisto	fan made benchmarks :P	01:36
johnx	just saying, I doubt everything is actually going to run 2-3 times faster	01:36
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, sure, but people who know can derive useful things based on those numbers.	01:36
wazd_n800	sisto: iPhone spends lots of HP on it's UI	01:37
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ds3	is this a TI thing or is it the core that is 2-3x?	01:37
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lcuk	johnx, :) can you be certain	01:37
sisto	wazd_n800: HP = health points?	01:37
ds3	Freescale'sgot a Cortex-A8 too	01:37
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wazd_n800	sisto, hewlet-packards xD	01:37
* Stskeepie ponders idly to call on the cops with the guy who has been standing outside the apartment buildings here and threatening some girl loudly the last weeks or so		01:37
sisto	haha	01:37
wazd_n800	sisto, horse power :)	01:38
johnx	Stskeepie, O_o do you know the girl?	01:38
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Pavlz	anything to listen files ogg ?	01:38
sisto	wazd_n800: i don't want to sound like a mac fan but there's a lot to learn from the iphone	01:38
sisto	please don't bash me for that :P	01:39
sisto	haha	01:39
qwerty12_N800	Stskeepie, I'd recommend throwing a brick but then you'd be arrested and the future of Mer would be a bit blurry to say the least.	01:39
wazd_n800	sisto: like what?) lack of copy/paste?)	01:39
johnx	sisto, a lot to learn and a lot to avoid. yes	01:39
sisto	wazd_n800: well not that	01:39
wazd_n800	sisto: just kidding)	01:39
sisto	there's a lot to avoid yes... like the stupid app store	01:40
wazd_n800	sisto, iphone is a great "average consumer" device	01:40
johnx	main thing to avoid is the complete segregation of apps	01:40
sisto	the duplicate functionality scandal	01:40
sisto	etc	01:40
johnx	such a *&$%ing pain	01:40
johnx	it's average because it's horrible in some ways and really impressive in others	01:40
johnx	so you get a nice even mean :)	01:40
sisto	it sucks that you have to jailbreak it and such	01:42
wazd_n800	the greatest thing i've found in the iphone is materials (first gen)	01:42
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sisto	but i read reviews saying that the g1 is on par with the iphone	01:42
Stskeepie	johnx, no, but when someone threatens to mash someone's head in in quite explicit words, i probably don't need to :P	01:42
johnx	Stskeepie, call the cops	01:42
wazd_n800	glass screen is awesome	01:42
Stskeepie	johnx: yeah.. except the guy left again	01:42
sisto	i saw the g2 though and it seems it's going to be worse... they are going to get rid of the physical keyboard -_-	01:43
johnx	sisto, I think it's not a successor but an alternative	01:43
wazd_n800	Stskeepie, wth with yo nick?) Gf in da house?)	01:44
Stskeepie	wazd_n800: my irssi server down :P	01:44
sisto	johnx: probably	01:44
sisto	what i don't like about the g2 is that it's pretty ugly	01:44
wazd_n800	Stskeepie, yeye, really)	01:44
Stskeepie	wazd_n800: and gf first coming back wednesday	01:45
wazd_n800	I really want something with metal+glass+leather :)	01:45
wazd_n800	Stskeepie, oh, goodbye Mer then xD	01:46
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sisto	has any one of you tried android on the n810?	01:47
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Stskeepie	wazd_n800: hehe, no, she is good at giving me space :)	01:47
wazd_n800	natural materials are true, plastic is false	01:48
wazd_n800	sisto: me not	01:48
johnx	Stskeepie, heh. I know the feeling. my wife is amused by me hacking on stuff :)	01:49
johnx	hacking as a spectator sport?	01:49
Stskeepie	johnx: i let her have her the west wing addiction and other series, she lets me hack :P	01:49
johnx	s/west wing/stargate atlantis/ and you've got the same picture here :)	01:50
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wazd_n800	I've made a pencil portrait of my gf, so I do what i want)	01:51
mavhc	glass isn't natural	01:51
wazd_n800	mavhc: orly?)	01:51
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johnx	mavhc, sure it is. comes from beaches :)	01:52
ds3	is there a site that reviews phones (GSM only) on how well they work tethered?	01:52
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sisto1	i fell	01:52
mavhc	when your iphone is made from beach glass, cow skin, and ore, we can talk	01:52
wazd_n800	maybe google will answer it?)	01:52
wazd_n800	mavhc, aw cmon, you know what i mean)	01:53
sisto1	I was asking... has any one of you tried android on the n810?	01:53
mavhc	plastic doesn't smash, next	01:53
Stskeepie	sisto1: look at nitdroid project	01:54
sisto1	Stskeepie: will do thx	01:54
wazd_n800	mavhc, it ccracks)	01:54
sisto1	it'd be nice to dual boot android and maemo on my future n810 :D:D:D:D	01:54
wazd_n800	aluminium allows to make device thinner	01:55
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fireun	sisto1: it'd be nice if it had fricking lasers too	01:56
sisto1	fireun: what!? how do you install lasers on it? :P	01:56
sisto1	i need that lol	01:57
wazd_n800	sisto, check Nitlasers project xD	01:57
* timelE61i is going to fosdem, kinda		01:57
sisto1	this? http://www.indiastudychannel.com/resources/10316-NIT-Short-term-Course-Laser-Processing-Materials.aspx	01:58
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wazd_n800	mœmo	01:59
fireun	sisto1: dual booting android and maemo on a future existing n810 should be about as easy as adding lasers	01:59
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fireun	but thats going to have to wait, I have a paper outline due in two hours and I havnt even started it.	02:00
fireun	gotta embrace procrastination	02:00
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sisto1	fireun: here's a how to for android maemo dual boot: http://www.android-review.com/news/Android-Running-on-Nokia-N810-Stey-by-stey.html	02:01
fireun	in the future?	02:02
Stskeepie	fireun: i have a nice deadline on an article report that's midnight thursday in the latest timezone that has it.. :P	02:02
fireun	wheres time travel involved?	02:02
fireun	Stskeepie: I'm not even convinced about my article topic yet, so...	02:03
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fireun	at least I closed my browser	02:03
fireun	now if I could only step away from the keyboard... hmm,nope that didnt work.	02:04
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wazd_n800	well, gotta go sleep, cya guys	02:07
johnx	'night wazd_n800	02:07
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* FireFox starts to prepair a Ubuntu-N8x0-rootfs_ver2.tar.gz rootstrap for ubuntu guide - because original image got corrupt :P		02:09
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Stskeepie	FireFox: one thing about people saying an image is corrupt - their network/disk/ram might corrupt their downloads	02:10
Stskeepie	so check it by downloading it yourself and md5sum'ing it	02:10
FireFox	thanks, i'll try	02:10
hell	i'll reflash my 810 2 days ago, by nokia tool, work well.	02:11
FireFox	but so far two people have said that thay have gotten an EOF error with the original image.	02:11
* FireFox has also noticed that the tar.gz that was on the server is also 100mb smaller than the original image		02:13
FireFox	Stskeepie: repository.mer.tspre.org down? :)	02:14
* FireFox is getting an error with apt-get update :\|		02:15
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Stskeepie	FireFox: yessir. and it's snowing and quite windy and wet outside, so i'm not going outside right now :P	02:17
johnx	plus, crazy people wander by your building and threaten other people O_o	02:18
Stskeepie	johnx: stuff like that happens very rarely :P	02:19
johnx	nah, happens to 100% of the people I know in Denmark	02:19
Stskeepie	hehe	02:19
FireFox	Stskeeps: hehe, it's no longer sub-zero out here but we have 13" of snow on the ground ;)	02:23
FireFox	EDIT: stskeepie :)	02:23
Stskeepie	ah, good, i just thought my server was online and that kinda scared me	02:24
Stskeepie	:P	02:24
FireFox	hehe	02:24
Stskeepie	jesus, 10pt size vs 12pt size really screws one's thinking up	02:26
Stskeepie	it is -rough- to get through a page	02:27
derf	Two-column 9pt IEEE format!	02:28
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Stskeepie	derf: 9? percom is 10pt	02:29
Stskeepie	.. i think	02:29
derf	It varies. Some let you go as low as 9.	02:29
Stskeepie	i have a silly study group within pervasive positioning where we're supposed to write an article and target it towards some conference and their targets for a long paper.. i'm the only a MSc student and the others are phd students. they are obviously able to drag in their current PhD activities for their papers, whereas i have to start from scratch.	02:31
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* lcuk smiles		02:32
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johnx	yeah, had that problem with papers: I'd write too damn concisely right from the start	02:34
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Stskeepie	me too, i don't have much filler.	02:34
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Stskeepie	i loathe filler.	02:34
johnx	it comes from using IM/IRC/forums I think...or maybe just having a technical mind	02:34
FireFox	(rasomehow got involved in a short 12 minute movie that a play grup from a university was creating - he's the villain	02:37
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FireFox	ahhh!!!!! i hate hildon-input-method	02:37
Stskeepie	FireFox: i occasionally ponder if i would have liked acting.	02:38
Stskeepie	but now that my memory is shot, i doubt that's going to happen ever :)	02:39
* FireFox wonders how good of a villain he would be...... MWHAHAHA!!! >:)		02:40
Stskeepie	i'm surprised they didn't lock me up yet.	02:40
Stskeepie	:P	02:40
FireFox	lock you up? :)	02:41
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* johnx pokes at getting zaurus hardware support into nice ubuntu source packages		02:42
Stskeepie	brb	02:45
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ds3	the sharprom works!	02:50
johnx	well, yes. but working = boring	02:51
johnx	that means there's no fun to be had	02:52
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ds3	doesn't the lack of onboard WiFi and bluetooth bug you?	02:53
johnx	I have cf wifi	02:53
ds3	but that sticks out	02:54
johnx	kind of a power hog, but I'm on it at work most nights	02:54
johnx	I type with my fingers laptop-style	02:54
ds3	do you remove the CF card when you suspend it?	02:54
johnx	nope	02:55
ds3	Hmm	02:55
johnx	sometimes i need to manually reset it when I resume though	02:55
johnx	a PITA, but not a big deal	02:55
ds3	this is the clamshell model right?	02:56
johnx	yup, C1000 (aka Akita)	02:56
johnx	the one with no microdrive	02:57
ds3	hmmm	02:57
johnx	I have a 5500 too, but its battery is really toast	02:57
johnx	thinking about picking up a replacement battery or a whole replacement 5500	02:57
ds3	guess I am the only one that gets annoyed at a CF card sticking out the side	02:57
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* johnx shrugs		02:57
johnx	I got used to it	02:57
ds3	how much you willing to pay for a 5500? got a friend who been wanting to sell his for a long time	02:57
lcuk	ouch!	02:58
ds3	or you want a local source?	02:58
johnx	sadly that would be a 'later' thing, not a 'right now' thing :/	02:58
ds3	okay	02:58
johnx	but if he still has it, say a month from now and shipping isn't too bad I'd be interested in a known working model with an ok battery for somewhere south of $100USD	02:59
ds3	if sharp put in either a bluetooth or a wifi, it would be that much better...esp with the self rotating screen	02:59
johnx	cosmetic condition isn't that important	02:59
lcuk	i have "something" running right now on my tablet.	02:59
ds3	think he says it has a new battery	02:59
lcuk	it is preventing a reboot and keeping the backlight on	02:59
lcuk	its pegged the cpu wayyyyy up	02:59
lcuk	any ideas what it could be :$	02:59
lcuk	i merely went to open the camera	03:00
johnx	errr...so you tried rootsh reboot and it didn't even close the GUI?	03:00
ds3	the camera app does that on mine too bit I can't reproduce it reliably	03:00
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lcuk	it told me it was going down, and the ssh session closed	03:00
lcuk	took a while to happen though	03:00
ds3	yank the battery	03:00
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lcuk	i have :) dont like gremlins like that	03:01
lcuk	first time its happened in a while	03:01
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Stslaptop	lcuk: so, why are you smiling? :P	03:07
lcuk	because its coming together really nicely :)	03:09
Stslaptop	hehe	03:10
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lcuk	Stslaptop, that picture is bouncing from zoomed right in to all the way back showing loads	03:20
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LinuxCode	[23:28] <lcuk> LinuxCode, very well indeed :)	03:55
LinuxCode	cool	03:55
LinuxCode	sorry mate..trying to make sense of this svg stuff	03:55
FireFox	talking to your self, huh? :)	04:04
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Stslaptop	gah. finally done with this semesters' exams	04:08
* Stslaptop goes collapse in bed		04:08
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FireFox	hehe	04:09
* FireFox had his crazy history exam the day before yesterday :)		04:10
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Pavlz	nokia against Ogg Theora	04:11
Pavlz	it did pressure on w3c	04:11
Pavlz	doesn't give support in html 5.0 to ogv	04:12
bef0rd	...	04:17
FireFox	zzzzzzzz -_-	04:19
bef0rd	oh hai!	04:19
FireFox	hi :)	04:20
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r2d2rogers	StsN800: not able to turn on the serever before bed?	05:03
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dick-richardson	is there an app in the repos that will show a mouse pointer? it'd come in handy clicking on smaller items on screen	05:47
smackpotato	you can change the icon theme to see the pointer	05:47
dick-richardson	know one off the top of your head that does?	05:48
smackpotato	1 sec	05:49
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smackpotato	the cursor icons are in /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent	05:52
dick-richardson	thank you :)	05:53
smackpotato	and ther is anouther file that states thats the theme to use i just cant recall it	05:53
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smackpotato	ok got it	05:55
dick-richardson	mv /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors/transp to transp-ori?	05:56
dick-richardson	that's mentioned on the x11vnc wiki, but I'm not sure if that's just for client connections or the device itself	05:56
smackpotato	the file you have to modify is /usr/share/user-icons/default	05:58
smackpotato	thats all i know	05:59
dick-richardson	enough to point me in the right direction :)	05:59
dick-richardson	thanks again	05:59
smackpotato	k happy to confuse you	05:59
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smackpotato	anyone know anything on the 770 temperature sensors. how do they scale	06:00
r2d2rogers	smackpotato: I didn't know the 770 had temp sensors	06:01
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smackpotato	ya	06:02
* r2d2rogers googles...		06:02
smackpotato	find /sys/ -name temp	06:02
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r2d2rogers	hmm	06:03
smackpotato	im,not on the 770 now but they both gave readings of about 1000	06:04
r2d2rogers	I have two in front of me	06:05
r2d2rogers	just cat them?	06:05
smackpotato	ya	06:06
smackpotato	why do you have two	06:06
r2d2rogers	got a chance to buy a mint one for $75	06:07
smackpotato	cool	06:08
r2d2rogers	and was getting involved in deblet=>Mer testing	06:08
smackpotato	cool	06:08
r2d2rogers	so one to use while I test stuff	06:08
r2d2rogers	I got 989 and 1174 on tmpe0 and temp1	06:08
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smackpotato	close to the values i got the last digit is sensitive it has changed already	06:09
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r2d2rogers	yup	06:10
r2d2rogers	down	06:10
r2d2rogers	I had it in had a while	06:10
r2d2rogers	then put it on the desk	06:10
r2d2rogers	987 1171	06:10
smackpotato	i think il put it in the porch for a couple of hours and take a reading	06:11
* FireFox laughs when people assume he is a expert at firefox because of his temporary user name (i'm really b-man)		06:11
r2d2rogers	FireFox: where'd ya fool 'em at?	06:12
smackpotato	talking about firefox ......	06:12
FireFox	at #ubuntu :)	06:12
r2d2rogers	heh	06:13
r2d2rogers	smackpotato: found a thread on temps at ITT http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37962	06:13
smackpotato	thanks	06:13
r2d2rogers	not much more than we know now...	06:14
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slonopotamus	hi	07:49
slonopotamus	trying to compile xf86-video-omapfb. but get:	07:50
slonopotamus	./configure: line 20737: syntax error near unexpected token `RENDER,'	07:50
slonopotamus	./configure: line 20737: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RENDER, renderproto)'	07:51
slonopotamus	anyone had this problem?	07:52
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RST38h	slono: XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT probably isn't supported	08:11
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robink	Is OGG support finally in Diablo?	08:50
robink	I'm trying to get my OGG collection to play with Canola2.	08:50
kulve	well, depends what you mean by "in"..	08:50
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robink	kulve: Using both the Diablo SDK and extras repository as well as yours.	08:50
robink	kulve: ...could I get full OGG support?	08:51
kulve	full? no	08:51
robink	hm	08:51
kulve	I don't even know what "full" means	08:51
robink	lightmediascanner0-ogg is still not working.	08:51
kulve	no tags, no flac, no speec, no ..	08:51
robink	Full means playback of OGG/Vorbis files plus indexing that's supported by most media player apps on Maemo.	08:51
kulve	speex	08:51
robink	Ah, no tags yet.	08:51
robink	That's what I was wondering.	08:51
robink	Canola2 still uses lightmediascanner, which doesn't seem to support OGG yet.	08:51
kulve	I've made some success with the tags. Kilikali shows them all, but the metacrawler discards album tag for some reason	08:52
robink	and lightmediascanner?	08:52
kulve	robink: I guess that might change now that the ogg-support is in extras	08:52
robink	Hopefully	08:52
kulve	I've not tested the lms, but I guess it probably will work with the tags. But the tags are not supported in the 0.9 version yet	08:53
robink	ohh	08:53
robink	OK, I'm in no rush.	08:53
robink	I had what was to me full OGG support in Chinook, and I'm being more impatient than I should be.	08:53
kulve	I would like to get tags support, theora and the new mimetypes for ogg-support 1.0 but looks like I need to modify some of the gst parts provided by nokia (instead of just adding stuff). That might cause some problems..	08:55
robink	Ah	08:55
kulve	gst doesn't support the new mimetypes (audio/ogg, video/ogg) yet (just application/ogg)	08:55
robink	Lardman is still working on his port of Tremor to the c5xx. I occasionally do a cvs up and it's usually changed.	08:56
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robink	*svn	08:56
kulve	hmm.. Actually I don't know about the lms and the tags. I think lms might use the tremor directly so it actually might have better tag support for oggs than the other stuff that uses ivorbis trhough gst..	08:57
robink	Huh	08:57
robink	Why does lms rely on tremor as opposed to libogg? I thought the comments were part of the OGG container and not wrapped up in the codec.	08:58
kulve	I though so too, but I was wrong. The tags are in the comment section of the vorbis, not oogg	08:58
kulve	ogg	08:58
kulve	sounds a bit odd, but that's what the wikipedia at least says	08:59
robink	Huh	08:59
kulve	and that's how it seems to be, according to the code	08:59
robink	Gotcha, good to know.	08:59
robink	I thought the OGG guys were trying to escape the problems so prevelant in the MP3 format.	08:59
robink	*prevalent	09:00
kulve	http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html	09:00
robink	yoinks	09:00
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radic	I compiled additional modules, will they loaded at boot if I excute update-modules?	09:21
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radic	good morning qwerty12	09:41
qwerty12	good morning radic	09:42
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radic	qwerty12: can you say to me how the modules on OS2008 will be loaded on boot?	09:43
qwerty12	radic, You'll have to load them manually. Make a script in /etc/init.d that will "insmod whatever.ko" and symlink it into the /etc/rc2.d & /etc/rc5.d folders	09:44
radic	qwerty12: but some modules loaded automaticly	09:45
qwerty12	That's done by the initfs	09:45
radic	only the new ones not	09:45
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Jaffa	morning, all	10:32
Jaffa	mmm, bacon butties	10:35
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X-Fade	Morning.	10:49
X-Fade	Did you say bacon? :)	10:49
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Jaffa	yup	10:50
mavhc	what's with tech people's obsession with bacon?	10:52
timeless	btw, are you guys going to fosdem?	10:52
* Jaffa ain't		10:52
Jaffa	mavhc: bacon's goood	10:53
mavhc	I'm going to the foss way	10:53
X-Fade	Nope, can't make it..	10:53
timeless	:(	10:53
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Mousey	hay guyz.. u get bacon?	10:59
doc\|home	hay is for horsee	10:59
doc\|home	*horses	10:59
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Mousey	oh hm	11:04
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:43
Jaffa	Er. No, I did that.	11:43
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RST38h	Yesterday?	12:07
Myrtti	omg daylight	12:07
X-Fade	Myrtti: Finland in winter? :)	12:08
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Myrtti	X-Fade: Cambridgeshire in what I'd call April if I were in Finland	12:10
X-Fade	Myrtti: Heh :)	12:10
Myrtti	it's kinda eerie	12:11
Myrtti	I'm expecting the trees to bloom any moment	12:11
RST38h	...Privately, something close to desperation is starting to develop inside government. After watching the slide in bank shares on Friday, one cabinet minister did not altogether joke when he said: "The banks are fucked, we're fucked, the country's fucked."...	12:11
Myrtti	having pussywillows in the willow tree at the hardware store and cute bunnies running around doesn't really help	12:12
RST38h	[sorry, had to quote that]	12:12
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X-Fade	Jaffa: ImageMap extension should work now..	12:45
Jaffa	X-Fade: cool, ta muchly	12:46
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Jaffa	Getting images inserted at that "normal" sizes is a real PITA.	12:55
Jaffa	X-Fade: aware of a way of doing it? Even on that page, despite specifying 726px on the image tag, it still looks badly corrupted	12:55
X-Fade	\|726px should work inside the tag?	12:55
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X-Fade	Jaffa: If everthing else fails, you can always use html for the image tag and force it to 726px with style="" :)	12:59
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Mikho	would anybody know, if I open the same dynamic library with dlopen() from two different location in my code, and call dlclose() two times as well, will my code blow up?	13:01
Mikho	the manpage says it keeps only one instance of the library in memory	13:01
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RST38h	Jaffa: Black-on-dark-blue looks reeeeally cool =)	13:07
radic	hmm	13:08
RST38h	Mikho: it is not supposed to blow up, it should be reference-counted	13:11
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Mikho	that's good	13:13
Mikho	because otherwise it would make my project lot more complicated	13:13
radic	can I anywhere find the module-dependencies?	13:15
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Mikho	another thing: would anyone know of a quick-and-dirty way for a program to get a fingerprint of the device one it is running in?	13:20
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Mikho	so that I could easily identify if two programs are running in the same file system	13:21
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thekondor	Mikho: classical way to check if there is already running instance is to create an empty guard file	13:24
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thekondor	but there is might be a problem: if your application finished incorrectly, this guard file (usually called '.pid file) wouldn't be deleted	13:26
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Mikho	hmm	13:27
woglinde	thekondor but you can check the pid	13:27
thekondor	woglinde: yeah, I know :)	13:28
Mikho	hmm, maybe I'll try to check the timestamp of the program data folder	13:28
Mikho	if it's identical, there should be pretty high possibility that the two programs are running on the same computer	13:29
woglinde	pid is the better way	13:29
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thekondor	Mikho: If I were you, I would choose the following:	13:31
thekondor	on run I'd check if there is already existent .pid file. If it is, I'd its contents (it should contain PID) -- if pid is not equal to the PID of current instance, I'd just rewrite it with new actual one	13:31
thekondor	* I'd check its contents	13:31
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mavhc	you'd think by now the OS would support it, wouldn't have to use a hack	13:33
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suihkulokki	Mikho: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/column/a-half-dozen-ways-script-a-singleton-application-only-one-right	13:38
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Mikho	I mean, it's ok if there are more than one running, they'd just need to know if they are operating the same file system, so that they can use each others files	13:40
Stslaptop	morning	13:40
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suihkulokki	Mikho: that doesn't really make any sense to me.	13:42
florian	good morning	13:42
Mikho	why not?	13:43
suihkulokki	what kind of application that needs to be singleton is specific to a specific filesystem? how often do users actually bother to start same applicions multiple times of different filesystems?	13:45
t_s_o	hmm, itt seems slow today	13:45
Stslaptop	t_s_o: yeah	13:45
Stslaptop	X-Fade: ping	13:47
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Mikho	I have a network of objects communicating with each other, abstracting differences between filesystems and terminals	13:47
Mikho	it would be nice if the objects could exchange data files with each other, so that if one object shouts "i want this and this", another object might then serve the data file	13:48
Mikho	and if they happen to reside in the same file system, the other object might just serve the path to the data file	13:49
Stslaptop	Jaffa: you're really doing stuff in wiki i never knew was possible :>	13:54
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GeneralAntilles	Stslaptop, anything is possible.	14:55
GeneralAntilles	Some people run their whole sites on Mediawiki.	14:55
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, Seen some good ones run that way	14:56
GeneralAntilles	Stslaptop, for instance: http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page	14:57
Mikho	oh, he was talking about wiki mechanics, not about things people write they have been doing	14:57
thopiekar	is it 'normal' that I get these outputs, when un'tar'ing the mer*.tar.gz-file?	14:58
thopiekar	http://pastebin.com/d44efcde0	14:58
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Stslaptop	thopiekar: you have to do it as root	15:03
Stslaptop	on a ext3 partition	15:03
Stslaptop	thopiekar: and make sure you use gnutar	15:03
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thopiekar	Stslaptop: ok thanks	15:05
Stslaptop	it is usually recommended to try and use b-man's installer :)	15:05
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GeneralAntilles	Mikho, er, your point?	15:07
GeneralAntilles	Mikho, which is exactly the thing I was addressing, sooo. . . .	15:07
Stslaptop	GeneralAntilles: think it would be possible to acquire as first step rsyncing the mer repository to repository.maemo.org/community or something? just wondering how much has to be put through the maemo.org tasks	15:07
GeneralAntilles	Stslaptop, talk to X-Fade.e	15:07
Stslaptop	GeneralAntilles: alright	15:07
X-Fade	Stslaptop: Monitoring ;)	15:07
X-Fade	I'm sure that hosting that repo won't be a problem at all.	15:08
GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, people complain a lot about maemo.org's slowness, but itT has its own moments. :\	15:08
Stslaptop	X-Fade: hehe - basically my current hosting place for mer is notoriously unstable and i was pondering if we can take a initial rsync over ssh approach where we rsync to repository.maemo.org/community or something and then at some point in the future move on to repository upload (at some point) through maemo.org, and then on to builder and such	15:09
X-Fade	Stslaptop: I think that I can give you a location on garage where you can sync your repo to.	15:09
Stslaptop	alright	15:10
X-Fade	Stslaptop: And then we can rsync that to the caching network..	15:10
Stslaptop	sounds fine to me	15:10
Stslaptop	we have mer.garage.maemo.org already if that can help with anything	15:11
X-Fade	Well .. no, but I guess we'll find something ;)	15:11
Stslaptop	hehe ;)	15:11
X-Fade	Stslaptop: What size is your repo up to now?	15:11
Stslaptop	~200m	15:12
X-Fade	Ah, no problem then..	15:12
X-Fade	Stslaptop: Can you send a mail to -community requesting that?	15:13
Stslaptop	yes, of course	15:13
X-Fade	That way all the people who can accept it/block it can read it in one go ;)	15:13
Stskeeps	hehe	15:13
X-Fade	An if nobody objects, we can get that plan into action..	15:14
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X-Fade	Although I don't see any problems with it.	15:14
Stskeeps	i'll get a mail written during today with specifics - we've been intentionally waiting a bit regarding builder and such as we want SDK stable first :P	15:15
Stskeeps	(less hassle for you maemo.org admins ;)	15:15
X-Fade	Stslaptop: Heh, well don't mind us ;)	15:16
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Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: repository back up	15:22
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: ok, thanks :)	15:22
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wazd_n800	Halo comrads!)	15:30
t_s_o	GeneralAntilles: i cant comment on maemo.org slowness, as mostly i see the bugs area, and it seems responsive	15:31
Stskeeps	afternoon wazd_n800	15:31
lcuk	itt is are be down?	15:31
wazd_n800	lcuk: is are has been was down)	15:32
Stskeeps	wazd_n800: can you at some point when you're able to, read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints and mail me what it says so you can get a jaiku invite and we can write you on the participants list, because you're helping out? :)	15:32
Stskeeps	it's just to make visible the people who are doing things in the project, also helpful for future CVs ;)	15:33
lcuk	wazd_n800, yeah itt is down	15:33
wazd_n800	Stskeeps, ok)9	15:34
wazd_n800	I think I'll leave all rus tablet forums(	15:34
lcuk	is gizmo for video chat?	15:34
lcuk	IS IT EASY TO USE?	15:34
lcuk	-caps	15:34
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wazd_n800	lcuk: yep, i had a videochat with it	15:35
wazd_n800	Stskeeps, jaiku is dead, isn't it?	15:36
dneary	lcuk: Gizmo is for video chat, and is relatively easy to use	15:36
lcuk	ill try it then :)	15:36
dneary	lcuk: But if you're looking for Free software, then QuteCom (formerly OpenWengo) is your best bet	15:37
lcuk	im just after seeing my missus :) my mobile is dead	15:37
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timelE61i	fwiw, i grabbed the sdk debs, will try to build xref monday	15:40
Stskeeps	timelE61i: :)	15:40
Stskeeps	wazd_n800: no not that much yet :P in any case, it's the best collaborative tool we can use for this thing for now :P and would perhaps enable people like johnx to have a sane sleeping rhythm again ;)	15:40
timelE61i	Worst case, someone can force me to do it sunday@fosdem :)	15:40
johnx	Stskeeps, sorry, what now?	15:40
johnx	:)	15:40
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johnx	don't get any ideas like my sleeping schedule is somehow ruined by Mer	15:41
Stskeeps	hehe	15:41
* lcuk might try to get to fosdem		15:41
johnx	IIRC, It was about like this last year	15:41
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Stskeeps	oh, right, now i know why i'm out of balance today	15:42
Stskeeps	i didn't have my morning coffee yet	15:42
johnx	me neither O_o	15:43
johnx	been out drinking before I even had coffee	15:43
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Stskeeps	i'm gonna take a quick swing at osso-xterm	15:47
johnx	am poking at some ubuntu hardware support packages for the zaurus	15:48
Stskeeps	k	15:48
Stskeeps	so we can make zaurus images for 0.7? ;)	15:48
johnx	for feb 1st?	15:49
johnx	cutting it a little tight...	15:49
johnx	merging ubuntu's patches for h-d 2.0.11 to h-d 2.0.19 is not trivial it seems	15:49
Stskeeps	hehe	15:49
johnx	I'm gonna need to find a good 3 way merge tool or something	15:49
Stskeeps	i occasionally do it manually :P	15:50
johnx	yeah. the very first in the series of 25 (a patch to some config files) failed miserably	15:50
Stskeeps	hehe	15:50
johnx	anyways, I have a package for xfbdev for the zaurus. just a simple fix for it and the other packages should be easy thanks to basing on the OE guys' work	15:52
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Stskeeps	is it a accelerated fbdev or?	15:53
Stskeeps	as there exists xserver-xorg-video-fbdev too	15:53
johnx	it's a lot faster than xorg fbdev	15:53
johnx	and it's not very fast in the first place	15:53
johnx	on the c1000/c3x000 the native orientation is 480x640 and rotation to 640x480 is done by software :/	15:54
Stskeeps	k	15:54
Stskeeps	..	15:55
johnx	hmm?	15:56
* Stskeeps ponders the fact vte in osso-xterm is now 0.16.14		15:56
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* RST38h moos evilly		15:57
johnx	oi RST38h	15:57
Stskeeps	as usual? ;)	15:57
johnx	one day I have to actually sit down and really learn all that screen can do...	15:58
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RST38h	Just dropped in to inform that Speccy release with wazd's icons is delayed because I am adding a virtual keyboard	16:00
AStorm	hello	16:00
AStorm	how can I have my vim on maemo support UTF-8?	16:00
AStorm	(the one from extras	16:00
RST38h	set locale? =)	16:01
AStorm	it is set correctly	16:02
AStorm	hmm	16:03
AStorm	it seems I'll have to generate pl_PL.UTF-8	16:03
AStorm	how do I go about it?	16:03
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RST38h	AStorm: Try KBabel, GTranslator, or PO-Edit	16:09
AStorm	...	16:10
AStorm	generate locale. for glibc	16:10
AStorm	not .po files	16:10
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Stskeeps	AStorm: localegen	16:10
AStorm	Stskeeps, it's available on maemo?	16:10
AStorm	where?	16:10
Stskeeps	AStorm: i think it is, but im not sure	16:11
AStorm	ENOENT - which package then?	16:11
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Stskeeps	johnx: can you try do a build osso-xterm=0.14.mh13mer1 (something) on merbuilder?	16:15
Stskeeps	it's not responding to me	16:15
Stskeeps	as in, jaiku doesn't relay messages :P	16:15
johnx	trying now	16:16
Stskeeps	k	16:16
johnx	accepted	16:16
Stskeeps	even when refreshing page?	16:16
johnx	nope	16:16
johnx	after a refresh it's gone	16:16
johnx	nice	16:16
Stskeeps	lovely.	16:16
* Stskeeps ponders moving merbuilder to irc		16:17
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johnx	or ssh for commands and rss for reading?	16:17
Stskeeps	mm	16:18
* Stskeeps grabs his coffee		16:18
AStorm	irc for commands :P	16:18
RST38h	Oh yes	16:18
AStorm	no need for rss too	16:18
RST38h	Teach infobot to build mer packages	16:18
AStorm	:)	16:18
johnx	infobot, build world	16:18
RST38h	And implement !hitthefan command to turn the reporting on	16:18
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* Stskeeps builds it manually		16:19
johnx	well, there'll be an open source version of jaiku out soon, right? we could just host our own instance and at least be able to see why it's going wrong	16:20
Stskeeps	hehe	16:20
RST38h	johnx: or do it right away without jaiku, with php	16:23
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Stskeeps	mm, not a bad idea either	16:24
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dneary	hey hey	16:26
dob	johnx: or use laconica	16:26
dneary	timsamoff about today?	16:26
Stskeeps	dob: does it have the same principles as jaiku about channels?	16:26
dob	Stskeeps: I don't know much about either, I've just heard it's an open source alternative :)	16:28
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AStorm	Stskeeps, so, could you generate the locale for me? or point me to the right package?	16:30
Stskeeps	AStorm: i'm honestly not sure sorry	16:31
Stskeeps	i use localegen on Mer, so :P	16:32
pupnik_	http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0808/vmps_626jr.htm vmps loudspeakers KICK ASS	16:32
AStorm	so, could you generate one for me? :)	16:32
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik_, I've always been a fan of Axiom.	16:33
pupnik_	speaker shootout	16:35
pupnik_	Conclusion	16:35
pupnik_	Sheer madness! The VMPS 626Jr represents an insane level of sound quality at its asking price. It all starts with a cast of excellent drivers, remarkably well integrated using a first-order series crossover. Throw in a decent cabinet and you end up with a speaker than competes with speakers costing even three times as much. The old adage about good engineering does not cost any more than bad engineering applies here in spades. That push-pull ribbon mid	16:35
AStorm	blah?	16:35
pupnik_	lets do clashing mechwarrior style speaker auditions	16:36
AStorm	how did they test?	16:36
AStorm	blind test? frequency response, imd, thd+n?	16:37
Stskeeps	johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png	16:37
Stskeeps	we still need to apply some VTE patches, but yeah	16:37
AStorm	"in my room" testing is not rigorous enough	16:38
AStorm	at least if he didn't subtract room response :)	16:38
AStorm	now, it's better than many other tests :)	16:38
AStorm	at least he bothered to measure	16:39
AStorm	"What I found most shocking is just how much sound quality these speakers deliver at an asking price of only $1,175/pr."	16:40
AStorm	not expensive, neat	16:40
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AStorm	could use a subwoofer though to extend low range - can't have it all I guess :)	16:43
AStorm	(a short-range - 16-40 Hz subwoofer)	16:44
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* Jaffa unshops		16:45
Jaffa	Stskeeps: doing these sort of things in a wiki just requires a sick (CSS) mind.	16:45
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Jaffa	X-Fade: black on dark-blue - a work-in-progress ;-)	16:45
Jaffa	X-Fade: also, I thought the <img /> tag wasn't whitelisted, so I can't put any CSS on [[image:...]], can I?	16:46
X-Fade	Jaffa: Wasn't me ;)	16:46
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X-Fade	Jaffa: You might be easier off just scaling the image manually.	16:47
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Jaffa	X-Fade: I'm not sure that's possible in MediaWiki, is it? Although, the HTML and the image direct seem OK. I wonder if there's some odd CSS making it look "odd"	16:49
* Jaffa fires up Firebug		16:50
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Stskeeps	lo yerga	16:53
yerga	hi Stskeeps	16:54
yerga	and all ;)	16:54
Jaffa	X-Fade: I'm an idiot. Firefox for some reason had a non-default zoom on that page, explaining why it looked crap	16:58
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* lcuk crawls on his belly through broken glass with his fly down :'(		17:04
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wazd_n800	goddamn, why there're so much fanboyz in the forums	17:06
Jaffa	wazd_n800: when you get a chance, could you send me the mer logo on a plain (preferably transparent) background for the Mer homepage mockup I'm doing?	17:07
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wazd_n800	Jaffa: i'm at the country right now, I'll do it when I'll reach home	17:08
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wazd_n800	Jaffa, Can I mockup the page too btw?)	17:12
lcuk	wazd_n800, aren't you a fanboy?	17:15
wazd_n800	lcuk: of what?)	17:21
wazd_n800	lcuk: I'm a fanboy of good design :)	17:22
lcuk	so you will whore yourself to whichever platform needs designer glitz and glamour :D	17:23
lcuk	like the a team but with photoshop as your weapon	17:23
RST38h	which automatically dismisses iPhone	17:23
wazd_n800	lcuk: But I like and hate all companies same time)	17:23
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wazd_n800	RST38h, iPhone has some design issues too	17:24
Khertan	Hello !	17:24
Khertan	does there is problem with itt ?	17:24
wazd_n800	RST38h, sometimes inconsistent UI for example)	17:24
lcuk	lol khertan, i also gave a lolcat speak question about itt earlier	17:25
wazd_n800	Khertan, heya)	17:25
lcuk	"lcuk: itt is are be down?"	17:25
Khertan	hey ! it seems i found what was the problem with my nit	17:25
Khertan	wifi connection handler	17:25
lcuk	you froze it?	17:25
Khertan	don't know why	17:25
RST38h	wazd: blasphemy! -)	17:26
lcuk	mmmm, i bolloxed up the wifi connection on mine -= i reformatted cos of it	17:26
Khertan	bolloxed ? euh ... don't know this work ... :)	17:26
Khertan	by i understand the general meaning ...	17:26
Khertan	s/by/but	17:27
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lcuk	universal language of damaged mans dangly bits	17:27
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lcuk	awww qwerty12 you didnt have detention today :D	17:27
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qwerty12	lcuk, you wanted me to have detention? :P	17:28
RST38h	lcuk: but I am sure they replaced it with whipping	17:28
lcuk	you shouldv done lol	17:28
qwerty12	lol :P	17:28
Stskeeps	lo qwerty12	17:29
lcuk	i installed gizmo - it was a bit ummm how do i say, complex and ott	17:29
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: testing our the eabi stuff	17:29
qwerty12	hey Stskeeps	17:29
qwerty12	wicked	17:29
Stskeeps	qwerty12: also http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ossoxterm.png	17:29
Stskeeps	we still need to patch vte a little bit	17:29
* lcuk burns EABI incompatabilities		17:29
qwerty12	Stskeeps, wicked!	17:30
GeneralAntilles	OK, I'm borred with itT being broken now.	17:30
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: it's a complete disruption into my daily routine and i want my money back :P	17:30
qwerty12	Stskeeps, what's messed in libvte atm>	17:30
qwerty12	*?	17:30
Stskeeps	qwerty12: cursor blinking and some other patches that would be nice to have	17:30
qwerty12	If vte built in the Mer sdk, I'd happily take a look but as it stands...	17:31
lcuk	maybe itt have upgraded to mer and they havent yet got the packages on yet	17:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: could always go for the chroot method	17:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: jaffa has documented this quite well	17:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: also, if a package doesn't build in SB, it will build it in native.	17:31
qwerty12	Stskeeps, with 2.4gb left on my partition, I'm kinda reluctant :)	17:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: hehe	17:31
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Stskeeps	which will be the source of a blog post about "Should packages always build in Scratchbox? Is it an accelerator or the compiliation environment of the target platform"	17:33
Stskeeps	:P	17:33
Stskeeps	qwerty12: i'm suddenly getting "chage: Permission denied.	17:34
Stskeeps	Stopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 messagebus' returned error code 1. Exiting.	17:34
Stskeeps	"	17:34
Stskeeps	which kinda wonders me	17:34
qwerty12	Stskeeps, do you happen to know if there's an easy way to make a gconf schema file? I don't mind packaging advanced-power but its method of installing gconf files directly into /var/lib/gconf is not healthy at all. I'd rather make a gconf schema file & use dh_gconf.	17:34
qwerty12	Odd :/	17:34
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: se	17:36
Stskeeps	c	17:36
Stskeeps	qwerty12: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/hildon-input-method-ui3.schemas looks pretty simple.. and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-input-method/annotate/head%3A/debian/libhildon-im-ui3.postinst.in	17:37
qwerty12	Stskeeps, thanks. I know how to make one manually, but adding the entries is a bitch :P	17:38
Stskeeps	also we don't employ /var/lib/gconf anymore :P	17:40
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qwerty12	Yeah, gconf-schemas should handle the file location when it imports the file :)	17:40
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qwerty12	Fuck it, I can quickly make one based on the defaults and fix any problems when I try it out in mer	17:42
Stskeeps	qwerty12: much appreciated you're doing this work though :)	17:42
qwerty12	:)	17:42
RST38h	http://i.gizmodo.com/5137782/inside-jonathan-ives-apple-design-lab <=== disturbing apple fanboy ramblings	17:43
Khertan	haha	17:44
Khertan	i already see it :)	17:44
Khertan	i ve made many zoom on the pict ... but nothing interesting :)	17:44
wazd_n800	that jonathan ives is totally insane guy	17:45
RST38h	Why?	17:45
wazd_n800	the way he talks - call the medics)	17:45
* RST38h never heard him, what is wrong with him?		17:45
RST38h	Aside from being French, I guess?	17:46
Khertan	don't know... i ve never talk with it	17:46
Khertan	s/it/him	17:46
Khertan	:)	17:46
Khertan	he is french ?	17:46
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wazd_n800	You can watch movie bout macs new casing	17:46
Khertan	he was born in london	17:46
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Khertan	... google docs api really lacks many features .... !!!	17:48
Stskeeps	qwerty12: fakeroot.patch is harmful	17:48
Stskeeps	qwerty12: just remove the calls to it, and it will be fine	17:48
qwerty12	Stskeeps, the qemu package?	17:48
Stskeeps	yeah	17:48
qwerty12	Stskeeps, easily done, I hated the lines I employed in the postinst & preinst to include it for patching :)	17:49
Stskeeps	hehe	17:49
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Stskeeps	armel osso-xterm included now	17:49
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Khertan	http://mer.garage.maemo.org/ <<<---- !!!!!	17:50
Khertan	hum ...	17:51
GeneralAntilles	!!!!!!11111111!!!111	17:51
Khertan	:)	17:51
Khertan	hi generalAntilles :)	17:51
Stskeeps	Khertan: yeah, should probably be redirected to somewhere else	17:51
GeneralAntilles	Hi, Khertan. :)	17:51
Stskeeps	like http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer ;)	17:51
Khertan	ah great :)	17:51
Khertan	i was looking for where to read instruction for installation :)	17:52
Khertan	oh ! really nice logo	17:52
qwerty12	My computer knows me all too well: http://pastebin.com/d693dee26 :)	17:52
Stskeeps	qwerty12: "you have 0.5gb free, please delete some of your porn to free more space"?	17:52
Stskeeps	ah	17:53
Stskeeps	;)	17:53
qwerty12	Stskeeps, Well, I'm waiting for that message to come up yet as I have 2.5gb left :P	17:53
Stskeeps	we should include that in homediskfree.	17:53
Stskeeps	with Clippy popping up.	17:53
qwerty12	Hah, ubuntu's dch automatically puts a ubuntu1 epoch. Fuck that.	17:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12: it's based on lsb-release	17:54
Stskeeps	rest of us has same issue	17:54
Khertan	lol	17:54
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, VGBA asked me to pick a folder again.	17:54
qwerty12	Stskeeps, ah	17:54
Khertan	but i can't do this based on user name :)	17:54
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, did the package install & remove fine btw?	17:55
Stskeeps	qwerty12: yes just fine	17:55
Stskeeps	didnt check removal though	17:55
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qwerty12	wicked, thanks for testing. heh, removing should be fine now that fakeroot.patch is going :)	17:55
* lcuk wonders if he needs an email addy to be involved in mer :)		17:55
* Stskeeps plays with mer-osso-xterm		17:55
dneary	hi	17:56
dneary	Am I the only one seeing http://maemo.org/ down?	17:56
qwerty12	yes	17:56
dneary	OK	17:56
Stskeeps	yes	17:56
dneary	I guess the internet's broken for me	17:56
Stskeeps	lcuk: it's just a matter of mailing me really, so i can add people to the participants list and have some degree of contact and optionally invite people on jaiku if need be :)	17:56
dneary	I get: Notice: Undefined index: last_modified in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571	17:56
dneary	Notice: Undefined index: etag in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571	17:56
dneary	Notice: Undefined index: sent_headers in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 571	17:56
dneary	Fatal error: Exception thrown without a stack frame in Unknown on line 0	17:56
qwerty12	Now you're banished to IRC forever! muhahahaha	17:56
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dneary	So maemo.org is fine for everyone else?	17:57
Stskeeps	dneary: yup	17:57
GeneralAntilles	As far as I can tell.	17:57
dneary	Works fine over https	17:58
dneary	But not http	17:58
lcuk	unless your DNS points maemo.org to internettablettalk.com :P	17:58
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, do we happen to keep a history of user registrations?	17:58
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, should have, it was part of the original voting thing	17:58
lcuk	cos the date of registration was involved	17:58
GeneralAntilles	I'm thinking it would be interesting to correlate registrations to product releases, software announcements, and whatnot.	17:59
Stskeeps	woo, osso-xterm works on armel	17:59
Stskeeps	annoying blinking cursor though	17:59
qwerty12	Stskeeps, I've updated the qemu package and removed the fakeroot patch. I'll reupload to trac.tspre.org/qwerty12 in a min, just need to generate a source package	18:01
Stskeeps	qwerty12: alright	18:02
Stskeeps	i'll test out on builder, usually the best way to see if something breaks :P	18:02
qwerty12	done	18:02
qwerty12	hehe	18:02
* lcuk mails you		18:02
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Stskeeps	lcuk: add	18:06
Stskeeps	ed	18:06
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lcuk	where to?	18:06
Stskeeps	participants list :P	18:07
Stskeeps	johnx: btw go ahead and add yourself :P	18:07
jeward_	Hi, I've downloaded a series of ebooks to my n810 and am wondering if there's a better way to read them on more than machine than fbreader?	18:07
jeward_	Say I want to read some on my Mac, and then read more on the n810 when out.	18:07
wazd_n800	poor Chichvarkin(	18:07
lcuk	wheres that?	18:08
jeward_	Since they're in HTML, I thought about mailing them around in a document and putting the bookmark (some unique text) inline before saving it and mailing it to myself?	18:08
jeward_	The books are to big for Google docs or I'd use that.	18:09
jeward_	too	18:09
lcuk	:) the new liqbase will be compatible with both x86 and NIT, the bookreader should therefore be compilable on multidevices to allow this kind of thing with shared user info	18:09
Stskeeps	qwerty12: set -e messes a bit with grep	18:09
qwerty12	Stskeeps, bollocks. Thanks	18:10
Stskeeps	qwerty12: if grep cannot find anything, then it might return non-zero	18:10
qwerty12	ah. May as well remove it, it's not worth using \|\| true as there's not much else in the file.	18:10
Stskeeps	hehe	18:10
lcuk	Stskeeps, which page i cant do searches in vnc	18:11
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dob	lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint	18:11
lcuk	thank you stskeeps in disguise ;P	18:11
qwerty12	Stskeeps, mind if I do it later? I'm busy converting raw gconf xml files into a nice & pretty schema file :)	18:11
dob	:)	18:11
Stskeeps	qwerty12: yes, sure	18:11
Stskeeps	qwerty12: no rush	18:11
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lcuk	qwertys english teacher: did you do that essay I asked for?" qwerty: "well i converted it to HTML, made a debian/rules file and set it to install along with the rest of your classwork..."	18:13
Stskeeps	wtf, is jaiku not allowing messages being sent for channels today?	18:13
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: I've got kernel modules for 2.6.26.27 and 2.6.21 in /lib/modules	18:13
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: hmmm.	18:13
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: jaiku seems to be a bit bent	18:13
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: which in 2.6.21?	18:14
qwerty12	lcuk, lol :P	18:14
t_s_o	Stskeeps: part of some google switchover or something?	18:14
r2d2rogers	/lib/modules/current points at the 2.6.21 also	18:14
jgwong	Hi, has anybody have retu-adc.c (a program to read the battery level) compiled?	18:14
Stskeeps	dob: dobi on jaiku btw? feel free to sign up more formally if you're interested :) (as listed on the Sprints page)	18:14
qwerty12	jgwong, uhm, it's right there on the same page: http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/retu-adc	18:15
jgwong	qwerty12: Oh, I only saw the link to the source, thanks!	18:15
qwerty12	np :)	18:16
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dob	Stskeeps: yes that's me, I just don't know what I'd like to do yet :)	18:17
Stskeeps	hehe	18:17
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Stskeeps	dob: what kind of tablet do you have?	18:18
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: just curious which modules end up there :)	18:18
Khertan	Ho !!!.?...!!!! Modest just warn me that i ve got new email ... after 2 month of not working	18:18
Stskeeps	Khertan: it's been hibernating like the bears over winter	18:19
lcuk	wow, 2 months email backlog, that would tell me "you have 237423742346237484352 new mails"	18:19
Khertan	lcuk .... not with imap :)	18:19
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dob	Stskeeps: a borrowed N800	18:19
lcuk	it would still tell me how many new ones i had :)	18:19
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Khertan	nope it tell you just only unread	18:20
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m67a0eb25	18:22
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: oh boy.. i wonder what causes that to come in	18:22
Khertan	sisusbvga.ko ?	18:23
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: want the list from 2.6.16?	18:23
qwerty12	Khertan, been in initfs since diablo	18:23
Khertan	oh	18:23
Khertan	don't know	18:23
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: no, i'm just wondering what dependancy caused it to come in	18:24
qwerty12	Stskeeps, whatever did it obviously took "powerful, power-efficient, economical handheld computers" into account :p	18:24
Stskeeps	yes, a 770 that can do everything ;)	18:24
* Khertan is cleaning his google docs account ... after creating 5000 documents		18:24
Khertan	...	18:24
lcuk	Khertan, if emails havent been working for 2 months i would have that many unread mails	18:24
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: dpkg -l \| grep diablo	18:24
Khertan	i can say ... sync doesn't work well	18:24
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Khertan	lcuk ... yep but i use other mail reader i don't read my email exclusively on my nit	18:25
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: kernel-diablo-modules and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon	18:25
lcuk	khertan, how have you managed 5000 documents, are they cal entries which miss their target?	18:26
lcuk	or actual documents	18:26
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: apt-get rdepends kernel-diablo-modules	18:26
Stskeeps	er, apt-cache	18:26
Khertan	this is my mnotes sync with google docs	18:26
Stskeeps	qwerty12: btw after removing set -e it works	18:27
qwerty12	Stskeeps, wicked, thanks. Will update the package later.	18:27
lcuk	wont it blow up if you edit/create documents in google first and bring down to nit?	18:27
Khertan	each time i push a modified docs from mnotes it create a new docs instead of modify it	18:27
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: usbnet-emergency-telnetd	18:27
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: oh bollocks	18:28
Stskeeps	i'll take a look	18:28
r2d2rogers	thanks	18:28
Khertan	i think it s just a stupid error somewhere	18:28
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lcuk	im surprised at the number, i create documents (sketches) much quicker and more often and only have ~2k	18:29
Khertan	http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=277	18:29
lcuk	how would it know though?	18:30
Khertan	lcuk you haven't try the import feature of mnotes which try to import all things it can read from a path recursively ?	18:30
lcuk	do you download the doc, do a compare and upload if different?	18:31
lcuk	or do you just always upload?	18:31
Khertan	there is a timestamp of last update	18:31
Khertan	just use it to compare	18:31
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: did you ever modify the read foo stuff btw into a bzr branch?	18:31
r2d2rogers	r2d2rogers: I have not	18:32
Khertan	i ve added in mnotes all text file from my backup server :) just to see :)	18:32
r2d2rogers	LOL	18:32
lcuk	"import all things recursively" you mean the contents of every file found on a path scan?	18:32
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: I have not	18:32
Khertan	lcuk : yep :)	18:32
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slonopotamus	hi	18:32
lcuk	gulp just what do you consider text?	18:32
Khertan	this was a test to see if mnotes is not too slow when there is many notes	18:32
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: removing then as i have it with me now	18:32
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: I only have the image branch right now	18:32
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: awesome, thanks	18:32
Khertan	there is nothing really usefull	18:33
Khertan	to do that	18:33
lcuk	cos i recurseively scan for documents in the book reader, but i dont randomly create thousands of files, though for stress testing i suppose you could create a document from each line in every document identified	18:33
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lcuk	how fast/slow was your directory listing/building up of the grid with that many items, im imagining it would be sluggish	18:34
Jaffa	wazd_n800: go mad - I'm having a play at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage - making a design which is wiki compatible is a fun challenge	18:36
woglinde	re	18:37
lcuk	Khertan, or do you use a database for storing notes in?	18:37
lcuk	jaffa, isnt that statement exactly the same as any embedded development :) the challenge is making something work in a constrained environment	18:38
Jaffa	lcuk: indeed :)	18:39
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Stskeeps	Jaffa: also, does it view OK on microb? :P	18:40
* Stskeeps steps a couple of steps back		18:40
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: we have osso-xterm now btw	18:41
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: I'm trying to get the touchscreen working again, an apt-get upgrade borked it	18:42
r2d2rogers	will grab the xterm next though :)	18:42
Jaffa	Stskeeps: yes, it will	18:42
Jaffa	The CSS is simple; the ingenuity (even if I do say so myself) is working out a compelling design one can do in mediawiki	18:43
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: Mer Repo hiccup again?	18:45
slonopotamus_	hi (second attempt)	18:46
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: hullo	18:46
r2d2rogers	slonopotamus_: hello	18:46
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: sorry, missed the tab	18:46
slonopotamus_	Stskeeps, did you hit failing ./configure in xf86-video-omapfb?	18:47
slonopotamus_	ah, crap	18:47
slonopotamus_	i think i've answered myself	18:48
slonopotamus_	need dependency on xorg	18:48
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qwerty12	Stskeeps, sigh. Finished the gconf schema file by hand. Happen to know any programs for linux that check for duplicate lines inside the file just in case?	18:49
woglinde	qwerty hm sort and uniqe	18:49
* StsN800 goes outside for another reboot and buys a new power supply		18:49
r2d2rogers	:(	18:49
qwerty12	woglinde, wicked. Thank you!	18:49
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qwerty12	StsN801, w00t! I've produced a proper package for advanced-power using the gconf schema method to install the correct entries :). I just need to package the advanced-power-monitor now.	18:55
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StsN801	qwerty12, good job!	18:57
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slonopotamus_	s/StsN801/StsN810/	18:58
qwerty12	"If you aint no punk holla we want http://repository.mer.tspre.org/"	18:58
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wazd_n800	I think II can help with Mer homepage	19:01
StsN801	grr, definately power supply issues	19:03
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StsN801	lo zenvoid	19:12
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zenvoid	StsN801: hello	19:17
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zenvoid	I'm testing Android in the freerunner	19:17
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StsN801	how is it?	19:18
zenvoid	It has sounds for the UI, ringtones, etc	19:18
woglinde	StsN801 should be stable now	19:18
woglinde	and keyboard	19:18
zenvoid	maybe those sounds are under the apache license	19:19
zenvoid	I'm looking at the sources	19:19
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qwerty12	StsN801, Packaged advanced-power-monitor (and learnt how to use dh_installinit :)). I'll send to the builder in about 10 mins	19:20
StsN801	qwerty12, k, but repo is down atm	19:21
qwerty12	shitfuck	19:21
StsN801	so wait for my signal	19:21
qwerty12	Well, the source packages can sit pretty on my hard drive for the time being :)	19:22
qwerty12	Roger that	19:22
qwerty12	I'm not going to bother packaging the themes though - the user can use the icon set provided by their current theme or the icon set that comes with adv-power by default	19:23
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ShadowJK	What's advanced-power-monitor?	19:25
StsN801	qwerty12, just upload to incoming but dont /import	19:25
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qwerty12	ShadowJK, The person who made advanced-power split up the gathering information part into a daemon so other programs can get information from it.	19:26
qwerty12	StsN801, cool.	19:26
ShadowJK	Uh, so what's advanced-power?	19:26
* ShadowJK googles		19:27
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StsN801	qwerty12, can import now	19:30
qwerty12	k	19:30
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qwerty12	StsN801, is jaiku fucking up?	19:33
jgwong	qwerty12: Is that finished? Will that allow me to read the battery level via command line?	19:33
qwerty12	jgwong, dunno, I just have it installed so that the advanced-power applet works.	19:33
qwerty12	If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt etc	19:34
qwerty12	s/etc//	19:34
infobot	qwerty12 meant: If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt	19:34
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Jaffa	StsN801/wazd/other mer folks: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.	19:34
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jgwong	qwerty12: Nice, thanks	19:35
dob	Jaffa: how about changing About to Goals?	19:36
Jaffa	dob: The heading, rather than the button?	19:36
dob	Jaffa: yes	19:37
Jaffa	dob: done	19:37
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dob	Jaffa: the bullet color should be changed, it blends in to the background	19:38
Jaffa	dob: indeed. However, to do so would mean masses more HTML rather than just using the wiki syntax. Making it harder to maintain	19:38
Jaffa	So I decided not to, and shrug my shoulders at such issues ;-)	19:39
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StsN801	qwerty12, yes	19:40
qwerty12	bollocks	19:40
qwerty12	StsN801, any objections to me marking qemu task as completed? I've rebuilt without set -e.	19:42
qwerty12	(I've tested the prerm script successfully on that front)	19:42
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: yes, go ahead - remember to update SDK documentation on wiki	19:48
* Jaffa pokes Stskeeps as well as StsN801 now :)		19:50
qwerty12	Stskeeps, meh, maybe later :P	19:50
Stskeeps	qwerty12: k	19:50
Stskeeps	Jaffa: sorry, refresh what you said, was on tablet in another building	19:51
Jaffa	Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.	19:51
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Stskeeps	Jaffa: section beneath the buttons "What's happening right now?"	19:52
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Jaffa	Stskeeps: so the buttons go in the middle?	19:54
* Jaffa gives it a go		19:54
Stskeeps	yes	19:54
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Jaffa	Stskeeps: I've actually now tried putting the buttons and the feed side-by-side (since it's micro-blogging). A few tweaks still required, but it's promising.	19:59
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Stskeeps	nod	20:00
Stskeeps	if it's possible see if you can grab author as well in the microblogging list	20:02
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Jaffa	I don't know how configurable the RSS extension is. Will investigate	20:05
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radic	Stskeeps: where can I find the kernel-module-dependencie?	20:10
Stskeeps	radic: er, tablet? ;)	20:10
Stskeeps	which one	20:10
radic	yes, on the N800	20:10
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Stskeeps	they should be in repository	20:11
Stskeeps	kernel-diablo-modules and such	20:11
radic	Stskeeps: I use a self compiled kernel and modules	20:11
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: borked touchscreen on 770 again, due to synaptics drive being tried it seems	20:16
Stskeeps	radic: ah, - then you need to generate the packages yourself	20:16
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radic	Stskeeps: I want only to know wich modules must be loaded first that I dosn't get unresolved symboles...	20:18
Stskeeps	radic: which kernel, btw?	20:18
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radic	2.6.21	20:18
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Stskeeps	and what changes did you do to it?	20:18
ioan	hi	20:18
qwerty12	radic, symlink all the modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ to /lib/modules/`uname -r` and then run "depmod -a" (http://sse2.net/depmod) and then you can use modprobe.	20:19
qwerty12	of course, I assume that you'll put your new modules in /lib/modules/`uname -r`	20:20
ioan	I need a new tablet. I just sold my n800 on ebay to have money buy the n810 - the deal from buy.com... and the deal is gone. I have no tablet and I need one. Should I buy n810 or wait for the new one? Any idea how long before the new one is out??	20:21
radic	qwerty12: thx	20:21
Stskeeps	ioan: noone really knows, first in summer i think	20:21
ioan	that's too far away, I need a tablet... lets hope the buy.com deal ($219) will pop out somewhere else	20:22
radic	qwerty12: I did "make nokia_2420_defconfig" but it seems it isn't exact the default-configuration of the kernel in der latest OS2008-image	20:24
qwerty12	radic, really? I've never noticed any differences.	20:24
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khertan_n810	hello again	20:33
khertan_n810	i m trying to install mer in the train from the installer	20:33
Stskeeps	hehe	20:34
khertan_n810	where can i found the dependancy e2fspprog ?	20:34
Stskeeps	it should be in extras	20:34
khertan_n810	the other was found in maemo repository	20:34
khertan_n810	sure ?	20:35
t_s_o	do mer have a working browser?	20:35
Stskeeps	t_s_o: midori	20:35
t_s_o	heh...	20:35
khertan_n810	with an other package name ?	20:35
Stskeeps	khertan_n810: ok, extras-devel has it	20:35
t_s_o	hmm, seems like the development of both tear and webkit-eal have slowed down...	20:36
khertan_n810	hum i ve extras devel too	20:36
* khertan_n810 is apt-get updating		20:36
Stskeeps	khertan_n810: i see it in extras-devel at least :)	20:36
khertan_n810	ok	20:36
khertan_n810	i m trying again	20:36
Jaffa	The App Mgr won't pull things from repos if you're installing from a file	20:37
thopiekar	hello	20:37
khertan_n810	i know that	20:37
Jaffa	merinstaller to extras-devel is in scope pre-1.0	20:37
Jaffa	?	20:37
t_s_o	Jaffa: yet another nokia "save the user from themselves" thing?	20:37
khertan_n810	i used apt-get install e2fsprog	20:37
qwerty12_N800	khertan_n810, e2fsprogs	20:38
thopiekar	i configure'd, make'd and make installe'd the source of the current pulseaudio-version	20:38
khertan_n810	ouch : Erreur d'écriture - write (28 No space left on device)	20:38
GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, no, a "let's not encourage broken behaviours"	20:38
thopiekar	but i can't find the binarys	20:38
GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, dpkg doesn't fetch dependencies, either.	20:38
Jaffa	t_s_o: dunno; dpkg/apt doesn't - I'm not sure it occurred to them as a really popular usecase	20:38
GeneralAntilles	We don't want to make installing a .deb easy	20:39
thopiekar	i'm a beginner in compiling sourcecodes please help :\|	20:39
GeneralAntilles	Things should be distributed and installed through repositories.	20:39
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t_s_o	i think its "popular" out of ease of distribution. no need to set up a repo or try to get it onto extra	20:39
qwerty12_N800	thopiekar, unless you --prefixed=/usr to configure, you'll probably find the stuff under /usr/local	20:40
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t_s_o	especially for someone that hacked together a solution to scratch a itch	20:40
thopiekar	qwerty12_N800: hmm thanks I will try it on sb1 now	20:41
Jaffa	t_s_o: sucks for the future of the platform to have a (possibly temporary) developer distibute sourceless binary pkgs	20:41
t_s_o	Jaffa: true that tho, but shit happens all the time...	20:41
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* thopiekar foreget to say that he is _trying_ to build pulseaudio for his tablet...		20:41
khertan_n810	the installer is only 0.27Mo so it ll download all necessary things for mer ?	20:42
t_s_o	funny thing is that i suspect that attempting to get everyone to do something the "right way" will at times alienate potential contributors...	20:42
thopiekar	qwerty12_N800: I get this output:	20:42
thopiekar	[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/pulseaudio-0.9.14/src] > make install --prefixed=/usr	20:42
thopiekar	make: unrecognized option `--prefixed=/usr'	20:42
Stskeeps	--prefix=	20:42
thopiekar	aaah false dir	20:43
qwerty12_N800	^ & it's to ./configure too	20:43
thopiekar	same	20:43
khertan_n810	t_s_o not really it has slow down a bit my dev but it s force me to make py2deb :)	20:43
Stskeeps	thopiekar: pulseaudio isn't exactly trivial to put on tablet :P	20:43
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: rebooting merbuilder	20:43
Stskeeps	i'll build it for you	20:44
Jaffa	t_s_o: difficult balance to strike :-(	20:44
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, cool.	20:44
GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, that's why you try to make the right way simple and friendly.	20:44
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khertan_n810	why do you want pulseaudio ?	20:44
t_s_o	Jaffa: i think you just described life	20:44
* mgedmin wants pulseaudio for network-enabled speakers		20:44
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: package building stuff would be a lot easier if tablet had dh_make for instance :P	20:44
mgedmin	imagine media player on the tablet playing through my avahi-discoverable office jukebox	20:45
Stskeeps	mgedmin: we use pulseaudio in Mer but we don't have any sound yet :>	20:45
khertan_n810	dh_make and all other standart debian tools	20:45
* Jaffa bingles mud v1.8 which has made doing a "proper" vim simple		20:45
mgedmin	is "bingles" some sort of British slang for "releases"?	20:45
khertan_n810	and a easy way to replace busybox	20:45
khertan_n810	jaffa, does mud could build gtksourceview and his python binding ?	20:46
Jaffa	mgedmin: British talker slang for something like sis very happy with - so happy I'll sprinkle some (manly) glitter over it"	20:46
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thopiekar	qwerty12_N800: could you please explain how to build the binary more detailed? I'm just a beginner in these thinks^^	20:46
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Jaffa	khertan_n810: the Debian package pulled in the world. Is there a tarball?	20:47
thopiekar	qwerty12_N800: ./configure; make ; make install --prefix=/usr ?	20:47
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qwerty12_N800	thopiekar, NO. I said prefix is passed to configure already.	20:47
khertan_n810	surelly ..;	20:48
khertan_n810	But don t ask me the links right now ...	20:48
khertan_n810	loagavg here is 9.04	20:48
khertan_n810	i ve just explode my own record	20:49
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: advanced power built, building the other component..	20:51
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: ping	20:51
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: i just remembered, we need hald-addon-bme for this to work :>	20:53
Stskeeps	if it uses HAL for battery metering	20:53
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* qwerty12_N800 chases after Stskeeps with a bat. grrr :P		20:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: we'll test it on x86 and see how it reacts to AC power	20:53
Stskeeps	:P	20:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: both built	20:54
qwerty12_N800	cool :/	20:54
* Stskeeps tries to install on virtualbox		20:54
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radic	qwerty12_N800: and aufter I did modprob -a I have to wirte a script that loads the modules with modprobe?	20:56
qwerty12_N800	depmod -a actually but yes, you'll need to make a simple script to modprobe the modules	20:57
radic	qwerty12_N800: all modules?	20:57
qwerty12_N800	well, the ones you want loaded	20:57
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radic	/home/user # modprobe cifs	21:01
radic	insmod: cannot insert '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/cifs.ko': File exists (-1): File exists	21:02
radic	modprobe: failed to load module cifs	21:02
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qwerty12_N800	lsmod doesn't list the module as already loaded?	21:02
radic	qwerty12_N800: hmm, I did cat /proc/modules	21:03
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radic	cifs is not loaded	21:03
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* Stskeeps ponders on python-gnome vs python-gnome2		21:05
mgedmin	python-gnome doesn't exist any more, I believe	21:06
Stskeeps	yeah, but it's called python-gnome in maemo, and python-gnome2 in ubuntu/debian :)	21:07
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: pong	21:08
ds3	do 'dmesg'	21:08
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; and apt-get remove kernel-diablo-modules	21:09
Stskeeps	and see if it works	21:09
radic	qwerty12_N800: lol, I know the problem...	21:09
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radic	qwerty12_N800: cifs-support is compiled in the kernel	21:10
r2d2rogers	running...	21:10
qwerty12_N800	hah, didn't see that one coming :)	21:10
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: advanced power depends on python2.5-gnome but it is python2.5-gnome2 now	21:13
Stskeeps	btw	21:13
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: any way to get the version of osso-xterm that has the vertical shortcuts instead/also?	21:14
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, skeen. i thought I was being safe by doing 'python2.5-gnome \| python-gnome' :). Ah well, please change & rebuild.	21:14
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Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: i think libvte changes has first priority, but feel free to add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Sprints/0.7	21:15
r2d2rogers	wilco	21:15
r2d2rogers	will figure out which that is also	21:15
Stskeeps	i'm going to patch xserver-xorg-video-omapfb a bit	21:16
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: rebooting tablet	21:17
Stskeeps	k	21:18
r2d2rogers	(--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found	21:18
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: (--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found	21:19
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: it's trying to load the synaptics module for the touchscreen	21:19
Jaffa	Stskeeps: can't change much in the output of the <rss> element, but I've finished the CSS tweaks on User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage	21:19
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zecrazytux	hey	21:37
zecrazytux	I can't find rtcomm sources...	21:37
zecrazytux	Does anybody know where I should have a look ?	21:38
radic	qwerty12_N800: now the N800 is crashed	21:38
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: solved: sudo dpkg -P xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-synaptics	21:38
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thopiekar	qwerty12_N800: I tried to build pulseaudio, but it seems that something is missing	21:47
thopiekar	i tried building on the newest sourcepackage from the official site and on the source by ubuntu's apt	21:48
thopiekar	but there is allways the same message..	21:48
* thopiekar is now pastbin'ing it		21:48
StOrM_NW	is there any way to install any newer version of libc6 ... i need to install a python module that requires a version greater than 2.7-1. is there any repository containing any new version of libc6? the version installed at the tablet is the 2.5.0-1osso10, is it the newest one ported for the tablet?	21:49
woglinde_	StOrM_NW nope	21:49
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woglinde_	maybee on freemantle	21:50
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: there's a packages_exclude thing in imager	21:50
Stskeeps	Jaffa: looks good now	21:50
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thopiekar	http://pastebin.com/m162f5226	21:51
StOrM_NW	woglinde_, is this the version 5 of maemo?	21:52
Jaffa	Stskeeps: Happy for me to move it over to be the main page?	21:52
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khertan_	Hi again	21:52
khertan_	Stskeeps: you should also stop metalayer-crawler and media*d with the mer installer	21:53
khertan_	as it can keep the sd card busy	21:53
thopiekar	sry here is the output from the terminal:	21:53
thopiekar	http://pastebin.com/d10103774	21:53
woglinde_	StOrM_NW yes	21:53
khertan_	hum ... my main computer is dead	21:54
Stskeeps	khertan_: ah, possible	21:54
Stskeeps	Jaffa: go for it	21:54
khertan_	the cpu is collapsed on the mainboard	21:54
khertan_	seems that the cpu fan died today	21:54
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khertan_	installing Mer with a phone data connection is really slow	21:56
khertan_	:)	21:56
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khertan_	specially with bad network coverage	21:56
AStorm	khertan_: my hsdpa is fine	21:56
AStorm	ah, then yeah	21:56
AStorm	:)	21:56
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khertan_	82% ...	21:58
Jaffa	Stskeeps: done :-)	21:58
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Jaffa	Stskeeps: I'm trying to use Yahoo! Pipes on the Jaiku RSS feed to improve the quality of the output	21:59
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andre__	thopiekar, googled for "pulsecore "ltdl.h: No such file or directory"" ?	22:00
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khertan_	98% ....	22:01
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thopiekar	andre__: no it's even my 'first' build from a sourcepackage	22:03
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thopiekar	thanks andre__.. it seems that libltdl3-dev was missing...	22:08
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: digging into imager for the exclude, thanks	22:08
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khertan_	hum ... just a question about the mer install	22:09
khertan_	he ask me for a root password	22:09
khertan_	and then the xterm win closed itself	22:10
khertan_	is there nothing saying that the install is finished ?	22:10
Stskeeps	did you use advanced or simple?	22:10
khertan_	simple	22:10
Stskeeps	hmm	22:10
khertan_	i don't like this 'hmm'	22:10
Stskeeps	khertan_: give me a second :)	22:10
khertan_	i use it too frequently to say 1 min after ... it s a bug	22:11
khertan_	wait the next release :)	22:11
Stskeeps	khertan_: yeah, nothing's damaged just for good measure :)	22:11
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Stskeeps	khertan_: open a x terminal and sudo gainroot, and then write refresh_bootmenu.d	22:11
Stskeeps	i assume you have installed the bootmenu before this	22:12
khertan_	yes of course :)	22:12
* thopiekar just want to install mer on his device, to give the devs some feedback, but he don't know how...		22:12
Stskeeps	this command will put the boot menu item into the bootmenu and restart	22:12
r2d2rogers	thopiekar: what device?	22:12
Stskeeps	thopiekar: you have VirtualBox on your PC?	22:12
thopiekar	N800	22:13
Stskeeps	that way you can try it out too.	22:13
thopiekar	Stskeeps: too	22:13
thopiekar	thanks	22:13
khertan_	Stskeeps: hum ... write ?	22:13
khertan_	lol as a dumb asshole i enter write as a commands ... lol	22:14
khertan_	i m really tired	22:14
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Stskeeps	khertan_: hehe, i know the feeling	22:14
khertan_	it ll flash initfs right ?	22:14
Stskeeps	yes	22:14
Stskeeps	it will update initfs with a new bootmenu configuration	22:15
khertan_	just to be sure :)	22:15
khertan_	something is strange about install_bootmenu.desktop ... i think a dependancy is missing ... as it try sudo gainroot ... and as i ven't it ...	22:16
Stskeeps	oh, do you have 'rootsh'?	22:16
khertan_	it wasn't work the first time :)	22:16
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: got a exclude in, will test before pushing it	22:16
khertan_	i ven't before launching bootmenu the first time	22:16
khertan_	by before i mean before launching the install of mer_***.deb	22:18
Stskeeps	nod	22:18
khertan_	reboot in progress	22:18
khertan_	arg ... delay is really short !	22:18
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Stskeeps	yes, it is :P if you have any problems, just say, i'll help :)	22:19
khertan_	ok ... i ll look	22:19
* khertan_ 's nit is rebooting :)		22:19
Stskeeps	khertan_: did the "hold down menu key to get into boot menu" show up?	22:19
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: compiling new omapfb btw	22:20
khertan_	yep ... but i ve got the time to do it ... it display the message ... then ... hop ... 1/2s after boot is on flash :)	22:20
Stskeeps	hehe	22:20
Stskeeps	yeah, it's rather quick	22:20
khertan_	and the time to push the wrong hw button ... (home) ... :	22:20
khertan_	and realize i do a mistake :)	22:21
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: fun, should I try the advanced power package?	22:21
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: we need hald-addon-bme to make sense of it :(	22:21
khertan_	third try :)	22:21
khertan_	grrrr stupid dpad	22:21
khertan_	need a 4th try	22:21
* khertan_ isn't lucky today		22:22
Stskeeps	khertan_: i have popped my battery a many a time :P	22:22
StOrM_NW	is there some proc value that i can cat to see the state of the battery?	22:22
Stskeeps	StOrM_NW: lshal	22:22
khertan_	it s annoying to use menu button on n810 ... as it difficult to push the power button keyboard opened	22:22
StOrM_NW	thanks	22:22
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khertan_	hoho ... i clearly prefer the boot image of mer :)	22:23
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khertan_	but it s clear too that the boot sequence is longer than maemo	22:24
Stskeeps	yeah	22:24
Stskeeps	on the other hand, we're more flexible	22:25
khertan_	but for 1 min every month ... :)	22:25
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: so is the omapfb you are compiling the merged stuff from the pingu git repo you linked me to on the 16th?	22:25
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: yeah	22:25
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r2d2rogers	\o/	22:25
* r2d2rogers takes that off his todo list		22:25
khertan_	hum ... qwerty keyboard	22:26
khertan_	and no î	22:26
khertan_	to enter my fullname	22:26
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Stskeeps	khertan_: yeah, admittedly we're not that international yet :P	22:26
khertan_	humm ... it s seems that trying advanced-backlight rotate feature is a bad idea :)	22:28
Stskeeps	khertan_: yup	22:28
Stskeeps	im not sure why but it is ;)	22:28
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khertan_	on 0.6 there is no xterm ?	22:29
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Stskeeps	no, sadly not, but 0.7 will have it	22:29
khertan_	or shortcut to go in console ?	22:29
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Stskeeps	shortcut to go in console.. rotate button in advanced backlight	22:29
Stskeeps	;)	22:29
khertan_	nope ... i m staying with a nice picture	22:30
Stskeeps	ah, then it doesnt update properly :P	22:30
Stskeeps	but yes, a missing xterm was a huge problem	22:30
Stskeeps	we have it now though	22:30
khertan_	hum holding power button doesn't help	22:30
Stskeeps	khertan_: as it says, not expecting too much of it :)	22:31
Stskeeps	the power button thing is actually a UI trick	22:31
Stskeeps	pop the battery to reboot	22:31
khertan_	i know i should not expect too much	22:31
khertan_	but this is already clearly amazing	22:31
khertan_	and if i'm trying it this is entirely your fault ... with your screenshots ... :)	22:32
Stskeeps	hehe, after making 100+ branches of stuff ;)	22:32
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Stskeeps	we hope that 0.7 will be a little more user friendly.	22:32
Stskeeps	with xterm, application manager, etc	22:32
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Stskeeps	wb meiz	22:33
khertan_	there isn't any wifi yet ?	22:33
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: we have osso-xterm now	22:33
Stskeeps	khertan_: sure there is, isn't it in the top right corner?	22:33
* Meiz_n810 say it in jaiku		22:34
Meiz_n810	saw	22:34
Jaffa	Yay, Yahoo! Pipes FTW	22:34
Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: hehe, yeah, jaiku has been a bit wonking today	22:34
khertan_	sorry ... i ven't see that this is network connection icon	22:34
Stskeeps	khertan_: it's fine, we really need new icons for that thing :P	22:34
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: i saw those messages on #merbuilder too :D	22:34
Jaffa	Stskeeps: author & date stamps now in "Latest Activity" bucket	22:36
Stskeeps	Jaffa: ta :)	22:36
Stskeeps	Jaffa: much appreciated, i don't own a shred of aesthetics :P	22:36
* Jaffa eagerly awaits his free copy of Mer as a "thank you" ;-)		22:37
Stskeeps	hehe	22:37
* Stskeeps tries to see if xserver-xorg-video-omapfb updates breaks everything		22:38
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: i think synaptics mess up on n800 too	22:40
r2d2rogers	ahha	22:41
r2d2rogers	take it out and it works fine	22:41
r2d2rogers	confirm in Xorg log	22:41
Stskeeps	yeah, it seems to load "no supported touchpad"	22:41
r2d2rogers	Yup	22:41
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Stskeeps	i'll exclude both in n800 and 77	22:44
Stskeeps	0	22:44
r2d2rogers	cool	22:45
Stskeeps	xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-all are the sinners, right?	22:45
r2d2rogers	I'll revert my change for the merge, as I think you have a better grasp of that part than I do	22:45
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r2d2rogers	right,	22:46
r2d2rogers	but do we need other drivers that the input-all pulls in?	22:46
Stskeeps	it removes this afterwards, so	22:46
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Stskeeps	committed, pushed	22:47
r2d2rogers	bien	22:48
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: time fot apt-get update;apt-get upgrade?	22:49
disco_stu	qwerty12_N800, whats the name of the theme you are using in the screenshot of wmlbrowser	22:49
disco_stu	?	22:49
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: go ahead	22:50
qwerty12_N800	disco_stu, tritanium	22:50
disco_stu	is very nice :)	22:50
qwerty12_N800	Yeah, a really nice theme by the lcars guys :). it's in extras	22:51
r2d2rogers	I just started using it <G>	22:51
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disco_stu	i spend the last 10 days in Chile on vacation	22:53
disco_stu	so i've lost the updates	22:53
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: not working.	22:56
r2d2rogers	trying to figure out logs now	22:56
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: which is not working?	22:56
r2d2rogers	X	22:56
Stskeeps	hm	22:56
r2d2rogers	http://paste2.org/p/134710	22:58
r2d2rogers	xsession errors is huge	22:59
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Jaffa	X-Fade/GeneralAntilles: ping	22:59
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: reboot ideally	23:00
r2d2rogers	will again	23:00
GeneralAntilles	Pong	23:00
Stskeeps	woo, i made gnome-keyring shut up \o/	23:01
r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: also see trac.tspre in /home/rd2rogers for xsession-errors20090123.txt	23:01
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: I've created a new article in the council blog folder but it's not appearing. I selected the 'council' category - is it just a case of being patient or have I done something wrong (or is something broken?)	23:01
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, stale cache?	23:02
GeneralAntilles	I see it in there.	23:02
Jaffa	Oh, cool	23:02
GeneralAntilles	You've got an errant codebox in there, though.	23:02
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: just dead X in there and your previous xsessions	23:02
r2d2rogers	hmm	23:03
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: I still don't see it at all. If I drill down to the archive (a page I've never looked at), I can't see it there either.	23:03
r2d2rogers	will try again if reboot doesn't work	23:03
Stskeeps	k	23:03
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/community/council/council_election_voting-your_choice_to_act/	23:03
Stskeeps	otherwise we'll test with the old omapfb	23:03
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: hmm. OK, I'll fix the problems and try refreshing again later	23:04
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r2d2rogers	Stskeeps: odd that it took two reboots to fix?	23:05
r2d2rogers	working fine now	23:05
Stskeeps	r2d2rogers: we're approaching windows standards it seems..	23:05
r2d2rogers	:(	23:05
r2d2rogers	trying application manager	23:07
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r2d2rogers	no load...	23:07
r2d2rogers	what's needed for the screen rotate?	23:08
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Stskeeps	i'm honestly not sure - rotation enabled kernel, maybe X driver support	23:08
Stskeeps	kulve: does xf86-video-omapfb do rotation?	23:08
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radic	for what is observability.ko?	23:13
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Jaffa	Nokia's secret tracking module	23:13
florian	re	23:14
lcuk	Jaffa, very nice page layout :) especially impressed with the background styling	23:14
Jaffa	The GPS works perfectly, they only make it look crap so you won't suspect it being used to feed data to $YOUR_GOVTS_SECRET_KEEPERS	23:14
Stskeeps	god, it's just so nice to have a working x terminal.	23:16
RST38h	but defiitely less fun than having a working vt220 terminal at your bedside	23:18
Stskeeps	yes, you're right :P	23:18
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RST38h	Ok, added virtual keyboard to Speccy and also fixed a few joystick problems	23:19
RST38h	Not sure if all virtual keys work but we will see	23:19
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woglinde	rst pandora?	23:19
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RST38h	woglinde: ?	23:19
woglinde	rst the machine you are working on	23:20
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qwerty12_N800	RST38h, how long will it take you to add one to fMSX? :)	23:24
qwerty12_N800	Of course, not pushing or anything	23:24
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lcuk	RST38h, does the virtual keyboard do keyword expansion (ie "J" into LOAD) and shift P into " ?	23:26
lcuk	or alt or whatever itwas	23:26
lcuk	or are we working from spectrum +2 levels where people were truster to type their own keywords	23:27
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Stskeeps	lo b-man	23:28
b-man	hello	23:28
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* b-man is going nutz because of an annoying "USB device not supported" notice..... he doesn't even have a usb device connected 0_o		23:30
khertan_	Stskeeps: does the wifi wep work on mer ?	23:31
Stskeeps	khertan_: should	23:31
Stskeeps	well	23:31
Stskeeps	i have tested WPA2.	23:31
Stskeeps	which makes it awkward if WEP doesn't work :P	23:31
khertan_	yep	23:32
khertan_	i m not able to connect ...	23:32
Stskeeps	awkward then :)	23:32
Stskeeps	if it continues acting up file a bug so we can keep track of the weird things the versions exhibit	23:33
RST38h	qwerty: just an hour or so	23:35
RST38h	lcuk: I think you will have to hold Fn for SSHIFT	23:35
radic	qwerty12_N800: for what is observability.ko?	23:36
qwerty12_N800	RST38h, wicked, thank you.	23:36
khertan_	Stskeeps: i ll try to see if i ven't made any mistake ... and if this is not the case i ll fill a bug	23:36
lcuk	i wonder how difficult it would be to make an actual rubber keyed spectrum act as a usb keyboard :)	23:36
qwerty12_N800	radic, no idea. run strings on it or something	23:37
RST38h	lcuk: Not difficult but bothersome	23:38
radic	qwerty12_N800: it lets my N800 crash	23:38
r2d2rogers	wonder if network manager could make the usbnet useable after booting, instead of selecting it at runtime	23:38
lcuk	RST38h, ok, simpler, just a cleverly disguised overlay on my apple BT keyboard	23:38
kulve	Stskeeps: I guess it's more up to the framebuffer below the x driver	23:39
kulve	xf86-video-omapfb doesn't do anything for it	23:39
RST38h	lcuk: It looks different =) And lags, too	23:39
lcuk	lol @ the truth in that	23:39
Stskeeps	kulve: alright	23:40
Stskeeps	kulve: thanks for the answer :)	23:40
RST38h	lcuk: notice that speccy keyboard NEVER lagged!	23:40
RST38h	;)	23:40
kulve	I guess the x.org driver might (maybe, just guessing here) implement e.g. xrandr quite easily IF the lower level FB driver supports it	23:40
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lcuk	RST38h, i have noticed an inverse corrolation between increasing computer speed and responsiveness :)	23:41
brenojac	Hello	23:41
StOrM_NW	is there any tool that i can use that can do the same thing of hciconfig and pand?	23:41
woglinde	storm_nw under settings	23:41
woglinde	is the bt manager	23:41
StOrM_NW	anything that i can use without gui	23:42
StOrM_NW	?	23:42
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StOrM_NW	terminal	23:42
brenojac	yes, but it's very important to have the command line tools itself	23:42
brenojac	were they removed from the package bluez-utils?	23:42
RST38h	lcuk: Alas...	23:42
woglinde	dont know if there are dbus commands	23:42
RST38h	Anyone knows GDK_ keycode for the CHR key?	23:42
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qwerty12_N800	brenojac, install bluez-utils-test	23:44
brenojac	yes, great	23:44
brenojac	I found it on the web too	23:44
brenojac	let me test	23:44
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qwerty12_N800	RST38h, what's the xev output after pressing it (N800, so I can't do it)	23:45
brenojac	thanks a lot	23:45
brenojac	cheers	23:45
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StOrM_NW	The following packages have unmet dependencies. bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.28-0osso4) but 3.28-0osso6 is to be installed E: Broken packages	23:46
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StOrM_NW	is it safe to remove the previous version of bluez-utils?	23:47
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RST38h	qwerty: Already found it, it is GDK_Multi_key	23:50
RST38h	qwerty: Will make it act as ALT or GRAPH on MSX	23:51
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qwerty12_N800	RST38h, ah, cool	23:54
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khertan_	stskeep : wpa works	23:56
khertan_	anyway it should be forbidden to use only wep :)	23:56
Stskeeps	hehe	23:58
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khertan_	hum ... can t ssh on it	23:58
khertan_	seems that password isn't recognize	23:59

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