IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-01-23

Stskeepie(the menu point might first appear after a reboot.)00:00
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arocsAny web browser working in mer?00:02
johnxmidori works well00:02
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arocsI am installing it , but get stuck in the apt-get ip : ... no download00:03
johnxdoes it fail to connect or give you a 404?00:04
arocsnow downloading ...00:04
Stskeepiearocs: there's a problem with mer repository but ubuntu repository should work..00:04
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arocsWhat about a spreadsheet or abiword00:04
Stskeepieapt-get install abiword :)00:04
arocsThat is easy ...00:05
Stskeepiewe have all applications ported to ubuntu on arm, so00:05
radicStskeepie: abiword is ported?00:05
johnxI believe ubuntu's abiword should work. we'll be pulling over more maemo-ized stuff over time though00:05
Stskeepieradic: we don't even have to. it integrates quite well into hildon00:05
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Stskeepiei would show a screenshot but my server is down right now :)00:08
arocsI have installed mer in a 8gb sd card ... Is it possible to install mer in only 3 GB of this card .... ?00:08
Stskeepiearocs: yes, through the advanced mode, but it is a bit wonky at times00:09
* johnx makes coffee and a package for xserver-kdrive-xfbdev00:09
arocsAnd the rest of the sd-card for fat ?00:09
johnxarocs, do you have a linux desktop?00:09
johnxreboot into maemo, and use gparted to resize the partition, then add another after it00:10
johnxsystem -> admin -> partition editor00:10
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johnxerrr...reboot into maemo, plug tablet into desktop via usb, *on the desktop* use gparted00:11
johnx<- needs that coffee, stat!00:11
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Jaffajohnx: Mer_Wishlist should probably be moved to Mer/Wishlist00:12
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* b-man trashes gentoo install on his N800 to re-create a ubuntu rootfs.tar.gz because original tar.gz that he uploaded got corrupted somehow00:12
Jaffajohnx: Or even Mer/Proprietary_reuse_wishlist00:12
johnxJaffa, would you mind? and/or what is the trick to moving things?00:12
arocsI am new with N800 , previously i have got a pocketpc Dell axim x51v ... But ... what i know is that inside omap processor is a 3d accelerator .. would be possible in the future to use it in MER ?00:12
timelE61iCan someone w/ microb try something for me? :)00:12
* Jaffa has no idea; I'm going to click the "Move" button ;-)00:13
Stskeepiearocs: sadly only on OMAP3 probably00:13
Stskeepiearocs: MBX drivers has not been publicized00:13
Stskeepie(long discussion)00:13
arocsi see ..00:13
timelE61ists: yeah sure, why not? :)00:14
Stskeepiearocs: next nokia device has 3d acceleration00:14
timelE61ists: all the better to render vaporware :)00:15
arocsBut what i do not understand is that having 3d in the n800 , what happens to nokia that it is not use it ...!!!00:15
Stskeepiearocs: because it costs a lot of money to get a open source driver, probably :)00:16
Stskeepiearocs: and we're doing quite okay without it00:16
Stskeepiei mean, we're not playing quake 300:16
Stskeepiearocs: but trust me, this discussion about 3d on n8x0 has been going on for ages :)00:16
arocsyes , in my x51v i have got video accelerated by the 3d proccessor ... not only in games .. in videos00:16
qwerty12_N800(and never led anywhere)00:16
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arocsSorry , i am new member of a second hand n800 ... Now .. i am not using my old x51v .. only my n800 ...00:17
Stskeepiehehe, quite addictive little buggers they are :)00:18
timelE61isO... No one w/ microb willing to try something for me? :(00:18
StskeepietimelE61i: what do you need tested?00:19
timelE61iClick the expedia special search00:19
lcukdoes anyone have any very short c code which shows how to programmatically bring up the hildon OSK?00:20
timelE61ilcuk: mxr garage osso-xterm00:21
timelE61iSearch it :)00:21
StskeepietimelE61i: and what am i looking for?00:21
lcukmmmnmm thanks00:21
timelE61ists: did the search load?00:21
* lcuk searches for something he doesnt know the name of00:21
timelE61iTry hildon :)00:22
StskeepietimelE61i: not sure i'm getting the expedia special search00:22
timelE61iosso-xterm shouldn't have many osso bits :)00:22
timelE61iSts:the special search recognizes you're doing an airport path00:23
arocsThanks for all ...00:23
arocsSee you ...00:23
StskeepietimelE61i, nop, sorry, not for me :P00:23
timelE61iPrefills the orig/dest+dates and has links for a bunch of links for search engines00:23
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, a quick flick through : may help00:23
timelE61iSts: gah...00:24
timelE61ioh oops00:25
RST38hAll right, a few more motions and I will have a virtual keyboard in Speccy and fMSX on Maemo00:25
* timelE61i forgot the verb00:25
qwerty12_N800RST38h, I'll be in your debt forever for vkb in fMSX :)00:26
timelE61ists: try again ? :)00:27
lcukqwerty12_N800, :) thank you spot on.  it shows it prefers a gtk window00:27
* lcuk curses and gets back to his keyboard ;)00:27
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Jake42-2hi guys00:29
Jake42-2I would need some help in compiling with maemo SDK...00:29
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Jake42-2how may I start compiling?00:30
Stskeepiethere's a large amount of training material on the site00:30
Jake42-2I know00:31
Jake42-2right now I study
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Jake42-2but... I just want to implement the php5-mysql which is a lib00:31
Jake42-2and doesn't need GUI00:32
Jake42-2isn't there anyway just to compile the source code from debian?00:32
Jake42-2*any way00:32
Jake42-2Stskeepie can you help a little bit more?00:34
Stskeepieif you write my academic paper on pervasive positioning within the next 6 hours, sure.00:34
Jake42-2... :(00:35
Jake42-2too bad....00:35
Jake42-2just 1 think00:35
Jake42-2what is the target file00:35
Jake42-2that I need to make00:35
Jake42-2(in order to run the package in N810)00:35
Jake42-2and at the final step00:35
Jake42-2a file named aaa. (suffix?)00:36
Jake42-2would be produced?00:36
Jake42-2but the ordinary deb file for armel doesn't work...00:36
* Stskeepie grabs the bacon chips00:37
Jake42-2this one isn't enough :(00:38
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Jake42-2what else should I do?00:38
lcukrun mysql on server, use when in wifi range :D00:38
Jake42-2I know that...00:39
Jake42-2I already have done it00:39
GeneralAntillesMatroska is an irritating container.00:39
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Jake42-2but the mobile device should be able00:39
Jake42-2to run in a non-wifi environment, as well00:39
Jake42-2lcuk can you help me a little?00:40
lcukthe same is true for the operator as well, its not something we do often, normally database work on the device is done with sqlite.  development assumes you are a knowledgable person who understands compilation and building apps, scratchbox has lots of information and documentation00:40
StskeepietimelE61i: very annoying flash banner00:40
Stskeepietrying without FTW00:41
StskeepietimelE61i: non-stop finnair 372$00:41
Jake42-2lcuk you are right, but in greek universities the Professor just assign the jobs.... (NO help)00:41
timelyxsts: when we tried w/ microb00:42
timelyxwe got a page that never finished loading00:42
Jake42-2and even more.... even himself doesn't know the difficulty of the assignment00:42
lcukin english universities the students study to learn00:42
Stskeepietimelyx: weird, works fine here00:42
Jake42-2I had to learn maemo compiling in less than 2 weeks....00:43
Jake42-2sounds good?00:43
Jake42-2(for me it's impossible... but I just try to accomplish...)00:43
qwerty12_N8002 weeks is plenty to read the stuff off &
lcukif you are a developer used to the language and build methods of linux and creating apps and knowing the libraries, then 2 weeks is a reasonable time.  however if you dont know or understand anything about general linux building methods or the languages or libraries you are using it could take a lot longer00:44
Jake42-2I am not a developer, and also I have extra lessons to study as well00:44
timelE61ioR you could python :)00:44
timelE61i+ use00:45
lcukJake42-2, are you the only one in your class who is doing this assignment?00:45
RST38hSo, no longer compiling mysql? =)00:45
lcukie: teamwork00:45
Jake42-2I spill time00:45
Jake42-2RST38h no00:45
JaffaRight. Bed time. Work in progress for new Mer homepage: - anything which is currently on which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development)00:46
Jake42-2I want to go as far as it is possible00:46
lcukJake42-2, then please open #gentoo and get moving :)00:46
johnxJaffa, that looks nice!00:46
Jake42-2lcuk why???? I don't understand...00:46
Jaffajohnx: the "Development" button will change colour, cos it clashes with the blue of the logo.00:47
VDVsxJaffa, nice work :)00:47
StskeepieJaffa: we need something to deal with participants or something00:47
Stskeepieas we have a participants list on the page right now00:47
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Stskeepiemaybe a "People" or something :P00:47
JaffaStskeepie: yes, that'll be on one of the sub-pages (or perhaps two)00:47
JaffaA summary list of people might not be a bad idea, I'll ponder.00:48
Jake42-2does anyone knows why the isn't good for N810????00:48
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JaffaNo content will be lost :)00:48
johnxJake42-2, because the binary is for debian, not maemo.00:48
* Stskeepie believes in making the list of people at least a sub page, as recognition for the work done is good, and may be used as a motivator :P00:48
VDVsxJaffa, "people involved" for e.g00:48
johnxJake42-2, why did you quite using easy debian? that's the quickest route to reach your goal00:48
JaffaStskeepie: indeed00:49
Jake42-2johnx I don't know how00:49
Stskeepieas in, i'd be able to point to Mer on my CV and say, I worked on this00:49
Jake42-2give me some directions00:49
johnxJake42-2, this isn't my project. I already quit college00:49
Jaffa***omepage - anything which is currently on which isn't on that page will be moving to new pages (Mer/About and Mer/Get_involved and Mer/Development) ***00:49
Jake42-2you told me to install the php00:49
Jake42-2and all the staff on easy debian00:50
Jake42-2but the reposotory is blank00:50
StskeepieJaffa: besides that, looks brilliant :00:50
Jake42-2how should I stuff it?00:50
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johnxJake42-2, install the latest easy debian 'turbo edition.' it has the sources.list setup00:51
VDVsxa index of all pages about Mer will be useful too00:51
Jake42-2I installed it00:51
Jake42-2but it is empty00:52
johnxJake42-2, then something went wrong00:52
Jake42-2(does it "use" the same repo as maemo?)00:52
Jake42-2[is there any way to recall the repo?]00:52
johnxtry adding this to sources.list:00:53
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johnxdeb etch main contrib non-free00:53
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Jake42-2in easy debian00:55
Jake42-2which combination is the ESC ?00:56
johnxthe "back arrow" button on the left of your n810, next to the screen00:56
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Jake42-2aaaaaaaaa yes... right...00:57
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Jake42-2apt-get update00:58
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Jake42-2E: some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead00:59
Jake42-2is it "normal" to happen?00:59
Jake42-2my sources.list01:00
johnxthat's probably not the right line for sources.list or you didn't put it in quite right01:00
Jake42-2has only the one line you told me01:00
johnxtry removing the gr.01:01
johnxor ya'know look it up somewhere01:01
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Jake42-2some errors again...01:03
LinuxHack3rsisto: It shipped today! Much quicker than I expected.01:03
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Jake42-2how may I unistall easy debian01:03
Jake42-2and reinstall it again?01:03
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johnxJake42-2, there should be info in the thread01:04
Jake42-2rm -r /debian01:04
Jake42-2isn't enough?01:04
johnxI don't know. if you know how to get rid of it, why are you asking me?01:05
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Jake42-2Is there any way to "format" the whole N81001:06
Jake42-2and to recall it to the manufacturer condition?01:07
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is
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johnxbut that doesn't remove the contents of the internal memory card01:08
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Jake42-2I'll search about it01:10
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Jake42-2let's say I install again the easy debian01:10
Jake42-2does it support every package of debian etch?01:10
Jake42-2(I would be able to install LAMP????)01:11
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johnxyes. that's why I tried to convince you to use it01:11
johnxthen you gave up, so I tried to help you with lighttpd01:11
Jake42-2I tried many times01:12
johnxif you give up every time you run into a small problem you won't get anywhere01:12
Jake42-2in fact I was so happy when I saw on youtube the easy debian install01:12
johnxpick *one track* and try and follow through01:12
Jake42-2I will include the #maemo01:12
Jake42-2as my refferals :D01:12
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Jake42-2I'll try to flash the N81001:14
Jake42-2is there any case to be bricked?01:14
Jake42-2the problem you reffered with the internal memory?01:15
johnxdelete the files on it or format it before you flash01:16
Jake42-2I'll try it01:16
Jake42-2thanx a lot!!01:16
sistoLinuxCode: hooray!01:16
sistoLinuxCode: sorry01:17
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sistoLinuxCode: lol01:17
LinuxCodeglad the device is on its way though01:17
LinuxCodealthough i dont know what for a device01:17
LinuxCodeas long as its not nuclear and being sent to his neighborhood01:18
LinuxCodeim happy for you01:18
sistoLinuxCode: not me01:18
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sistolinuxhacker wanted to buy an n81001:18
LinuxCodeahh sweet01:18
sistoand i recommended him a site01:19
LinuxCodearent we all waiting for the 3g version though ?01:19
sistoand he purchased it there but it was backordered01:19
sistoso he had to wait01:19
LinuxCodeahh i see01:19
Pavlzi need a program to record with nokia 77001:19
sisto3g when?!?!??!01:19
sistoi want01:19
LinuxCodesisto, rx-51/52 ? cant remmeber will have 3g01:19
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LinuxCodeari confimred that there will be a 3g version01:19
sistowhat is rx-51/52?01:20
LinuxCodethere was an article in LinuxFormat UK01:20
LinuxCodecant remember if it was 51 or 52 ..but apparently those are the model numbers when they havent got a final name yet01:20
* lcuk shaves LinuxCode's eyebrow01:20
LinuxCodei think GeneralAntilles mentioned it01:20
LinuxCodelcuk, hi01:21
LinuxCodehow you keeping mate ?01:21
lcukhows it goin01:21
lcukim good i think01:21
lcuknot gettin enough sleep though01:21
LinuxCodeim looking at making fedora-business-card templates atm01:21
sistoLinuxCode: you put me in a dilema01:21
LinuxCodesisto, I know what you will say!01:22
* lcuk yawns01:22
LinuxCodelcuk, want to add templates for the creator so people in Germany and the Uk have a place to get prints01:22
LinuxCodelcuk, hows your project going ?01:22
sistoi'm traveling to USA on february and was planning on buying an n81001:23
LinuxCodesisto, are you based in Europe ?01:23
sistobut i don't know when i will have another chance to buy a device01:23
sistoin south america01:23
LinuxCodeohh i see01:23
LinuxCodei heard they rip you guys off01:23
siston95 used to cost 1000 dollars when it was out01:24
LinuxCodewell I expect the n900 or whatever it will be in the end01:24
LinuxCodewill be more costly ...01:24
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LinuxCodepatent restrictions for components01:24
sistobut those devices don't come here01:25
LinuxCodecosts money for licenses01:25
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sistoso i have to take the opportunity and buy one01:25
siston810 is kinda cheap now i think01:25
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sistoi saw it for 250 bucks01:25
sistoLinuxCode: which 1 do u have?01:26
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, those are the model numbers period. ;)01:26
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GeneralAntillesand it'll be the only model so far as we know.01:27
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sisto"Nokia has become today the first to contribute code on HSPA cellular connectivity for OMAP3 processor to Linux kernel,"01:28
sistoit seems it will have an omap cpu01:28
sistoinstead of ARM01:28
GeneralAntillesOMAP is ARM01:28
GeneralAntillesIt's what we have now01:28
GeneralAntillesand it's what we've always had.01:28
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lcukLinuxCode, very well indeed :)01:28
GeneralAntillesHrm, OMAP36x01:28
GeneralAntillesThat's new.01:29
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lcukgrowing in confidence each day i straighten something out01:29
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sistoOMAP3440 = 800 mhz01:29
sistoplease use that one :P01:29
GeneralAntillessisto, that's a MID CPU01:29
GeneralAntillesWay more power hungry than the OMAP343001:30
lcuksisto, why - what would you do with all that power?01:30
sistotake over the world?01:30
GeneralAntillesOMAP36x may very well be what they push for ARM netbooks. . . .01:30
lcuksisto, that 800mhz is faster than my full tabletpc runs01:31
lcuki want a small device with a long life01:31
lcuknot a pocketwarmer01:31
sistohow many mhz does the OMAP3430 have?01:32
lcukthough thats a cool mode01:32
lcukmore than enough :)01:32
lcukthis 400mhz does me quite nicely01:32
sistojust like the iphone01:32
GeneralAntillessisto, pfft01:32
GeneralAntillesScrew the iPhone01:32
GeneralAntillesCortex, baby.01:32
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lcukcan i invoke rule 34 or whatever it is on that gan01:32
GeneralAntillesWe're in the ballpark of twice as fast as the iPhone.01:33
wazd_n800I'm baaack :)01:33
GeneralAntilles"or whatever it is"01:33
sistothis is the iphone:
GeneralAntillesLike you don't know. :P01:33
sistoGeneralAntilles: wow01:33
GeneralAntillesCortax A8 is 2-3x faster than ARM1101:33
GeneralAntillesSo a 600MHz Cortax A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11 on average.01:34
wazd_n800I'm starting to hate a bit russian tablet forums01:34
johnxcareful with those benchmarks cowboy :P01:34
qwerty12_N800hi wazd_n80001:34
lcuksisto, the problem is, with ANY cpu speed you can overload the processor and make it slow, far cry etc show this time and again.  now recall computers of old which were fast and slick and responsive.  they did that on no more than a few mhz01:34
wazd_n800qwerty12_N800, hey, have you hildonized  x-chat btw?)01:35
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lcukyou simply should not rate the speed of a computer on its cpu speed01:35
GeneralAntillesjohnx, careful what?01:35
qwerty12_N800wazd_n800, it's been done (but not by me :))01:35
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sistothat means the iphone just has a very responsive UI01:35
GeneralAntillesjohnx, these numbers are corroborated by a TI engineer and several other people who would know.01:35
johnxGeneralAntilles, with giving general benchmark numbers :)01:35
johnxGeneralAntilles, for *benchmarks only*01:36
wazd_n800qwerty12_N800, oh, I thought somehow that you did it)01:36
GeneralAntillesApproximate equivalents on average01:36
GeneralAntillesI dunno what's to take issue with.01:36
sistofan made benchmarks :P01:36
johnxjust saying, I doubt everything is actually going to run 2-3 times faster01:36
GeneralAntilleslcuk, sure, but people who know can derive useful things based on those numbers.01:36
wazd_n800sisto: iPhone spends lots of HP on it's UI01:37
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ds3is this a TI thing or is it the core that is 2-3x?01:37
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lcukjohnx, :) can you be certain01:37
sistowazd_n800: HP = health points?01:37
ds3Freescale'sgot a Cortex-A8 too01:37
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wazd_n800sisto, hewlet-packards xD01:37
* Stskeepie ponders idly to call on the cops with the guy who has been standing outside the apartment buildings here and threatening some girl loudly the last weeks or so01:37
wazd_n800sisto, horse power :)01:38
johnxStskeepie, O_o do you know the girl?01:38
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Pavlzanything to listen files ogg ?01:38
sistowazd_n800: i don't want to sound like a mac fan but there's a lot to learn from the iphone01:38
sistoplease don't bash me for that :P01:39
qwerty12_N800Stskeepie, I'd recommend throwing a brick but then you'd be arrested and the future of Mer would be a bit blurry to say the least.01:39
wazd_n800sisto: like what?) lack of copy/paste?)01:39
johnxsisto, a lot to learn and a lot to avoid. yes01:39
sistowazd_n800: well not that01:39
wazd_n800sisto: just kidding)01:39
sistothere's a lot to avoid yes... like the stupid app store01:40
wazd_n800sisto, iphone is a great "average  consumer" device01:40
johnxmain thing to avoid is the complete segregation of apps01:40
sistothe duplicate functionality scandal01:40
johnxsuch a *&$%ing pain01:40
johnxit's average because it's horrible in some ways and really impressive in others01:40
johnxso you get a nice even mean :)01:40
sistoit sucks that you have to jailbreak it and such01:42
wazd_n800the greatest thing i've found in the iphone is materials (first gen)01:42
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sistobut i read reviews saying that the g1 is on par with the iphone01:42
Stskeepiejohnx, no, but when someone threatens to mash someone's head in in quite explicit words, i probably don't need to :P01:42
johnxStskeepie, call the cops01:42
wazd_n800glass screen is awesome01:42
Stskeepiejohnx: yeah.. except the guy left again01:42
sistoi saw the g2 though and it seems it's going to be worse... they are going to get rid of the physical keyboard -_-01:43
johnxsisto, I think it's not a successor but an alternative01:43
wazd_n800Stskeepie, wth with yo nick?) Gf in da house?)01:44
Stskeepiewazd_n800: my irssi server down :P01:44
sistojohnx: probably01:44
sistowhat i don't like about the g2 is that it's pretty ugly01:44
wazd_n800Stskeepie, yeye, really)01:44
Stskeepiewazd_n800: and gf first coming back wednesday01:45
wazd_n800I really want something with metal+glass+leather :)01:45
wazd_n800Stskeepie, oh, goodbye Mer then xD01:46
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sistohas any one of you tried android on the n810?01:47
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Stskeepiewazd_n800: hehe, no, she is good at giving me space :)01:47
wazd_n800natural materials are true, plastic is false01:48
wazd_n800sisto: me not01:48
johnxStskeepie, heh. I know the feeling. my wife is amused by me hacking on stuff :)01:49
johnxhacking as a spectator sport?01:49
Stskeepiejohnx: i let her have her the west wing addiction and other series, she lets me hack :P01:49
johnxs/west wing/stargate atlantis/ and you've got the same picture here :)01:50
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wazd_n800I've made a pencil  portrait of my gf, so I do what i want)01:51
mavhcglass isn't natural01:51
wazd_n800mavhc: orly?)01:51
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johnxmavhc, sure it is. comes from beaches :)01:52
ds3is there a site that reviews phones (GSM only) on how well they work tethered?01:52
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sisto1i fell01:52
mavhcwhen your iphone is made from beach glass, cow skin, and ore, we can talk01:52
wazd_n800maybe google will answer it?)01:52
wazd_n800mavhc, aw cmon, you know what i mean)01:53
sisto1I was asking... has any one of you tried android on the n810?01:53
mavhcplastic doesn't smash, next01:53
Stskeepiesisto1: look at nitdroid project01:54
sisto1Stskeepie: will do thx01:54
wazd_n800mavhc, it ccracks)01:54
sisto1it'd be nice to dual boot android and maemo on my future n810 :D:D:D:D01:54
wazd_n800aluminium allows to make device thinner01:55
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fireunsisto1: it'd be nice if it had fricking lasers too01:56
sisto1fireun: what!? how do you install lasers on it? :P01:56
sisto1i need that lol01:57
wazd_n800sisto, check Nitlasers project xD01:57
* timelE61i is going to fosdem, kinda01:57
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fireunsisto1: dual booting android and maemo on a future existing n810 should be about as easy as adding lasers01:59
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fireunbut thats going to have to wait, I have a paper outline due in two hours and I havnt even started it.02:00
fireungotta embrace procrastination02:00
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sisto1fireun: here's a how to for android maemo dual boot:
fireunin the future?02:02
Stskeepiefireun: i have a nice deadline on an article report that's midnight thursday in the latest timezone that has it.. :P02:02
fireunwheres time travel involved?02:02
fireunStskeepie: I'm not even convinced about my article topic yet, so...02:03
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fireunat least I closed my browser02:03
fireunnow if I could only step away from the keyboard... hmm,nope that didnt work.02:04
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wazd_n800well, gotta go sleep, cya guys02:07
johnx'night wazd_n80002:07
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* FireFox starts to prepair a Ubuntu-N8x0-rootfs_ver2.tar.gz rootstrap for ubuntu guide - because original image got corrupt :P02:09
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StskeepieFireFox: one thing about people saying an image is corrupt - their network/disk/ram might corrupt their downloads02:10
Stskeepieso check it by downloading it yourself and md5sum'ing it02:10
FireFoxthanks, i'll try02:10
helli'll reflash my 810 2 days ago, by nokia tool, work well.02:11
FireFoxbut so far two people have said that thay have gotten an EOF error with the original image.02:11
* FireFox has also noticed that the tar.gz that was on the server is also 100mb smaller than the original image02:13
FireFoxStskeepie: down? :)02:14
* FireFox is getting an error with apt-get update :|02:15
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StskeepieFireFox: yessir. and it's snowing and quite windy and wet outside, so i'm not going outside right now :P02:17
johnxplus, crazy people wander by your building and threaten other people O_o02:18
Stskeepiejohnx: stuff like that happens very rarely :P02:19
johnxnah, happens to 100% of the people I know in Denmark02:19
FireFoxStskeeps: hehe, it's no longer sub-zero out here but we have 13" of snow on the ground ;)02:23
FireFoxEDIT: stskeepie :)02:23
Stskeepieah, good, i just thought my server was online and that kinda scared me02:24
Stskeepiejesus, 10pt size vs 12pt size really screws one's thinking up02:26
Stskeepieit is -rough- to get through a page02:27
derfTwo-column 9pt IEEE format!02:28
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Stskeepiederf: 9? percom is 10pt02:29
Stskeepie.. i think02:29
derfIt varies. Some let you go as low as 9.02:29
Stskeepiei have a silly study group within pervasive positioning where we're supposed to write an article and target it towards some conference and their targets for a long paper.. i'm the only a MSc student and the others are phd students. they are obviously able to drag in their current PhD activities for their papers, whereas i have to start from scratch.02:31
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johnxyeah, had that problem with papers: I'd write too damn concisely right from the start02:34
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Stskeepieme too, i don't have much filler.02:34
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Stskeepiei loathe filler.02:34
johnxit comes from using IM/IRC/forums I think...or maybe just having a technical mind02:34
FireFox(rasomehow got involved in a short 12 minute movie that a play grup from a university was creating - he's the villain02:37
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FireFoxahhh!!!!! i hate hildon-input-method02:37
StskeepieFireFox: i occasionally ponder if i would have liked acting.02:38
Stskeepiebut now that my memory is shot, i doubt that's going to happen ever :)02:39
* FireFox wonders how good of a villain he would be...... MWHAHAHA!!! >:)02:40
Stskeepiei'm surprised they didn't lock me up yet.02:40
FireFoxlock you up? :)02:41
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* johnx pokes at getting zaurus hardware support into nice ubuntu source packages02:42
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ds3the sharprom works!02:50
johnxwell, yes. but working = boring02:51
johnxthat means there's no fun to be had02:52
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ds3doesn't the lack of onboard WiFi and bluetooth bug you?02:53
johnxI have cf wifi02:53
ds3but that sticks out02:54
johnxkind of a power hog, but I'm on it at work most nights02:54
johnxI type with my fingers laptop-style02:54
ds3do you remove the CF card when you suspend it?02:54
johnxsometimes i need to manually reset it when I resume though02:55
johnxa PITA, but not a big deal02:55
ds3this is the clamshell model right?02:56
johnxyup, C1000 (aka Akita)02:56
johnxthe one with no microdrive02:57
johnxI have a 5500 too, but its battery is really toast02:57
johnxthinking about picking up a replacement battery or a whole replacement 550002:57
ds3guess I am the only one that gets annoyed at a CF card sticking out the side02:57
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* johnx shrugs02:57
johnxI got used to it02:57
ds3how much you willing to pay for a 5500? got a friend who been wanting to sell his for a long time02:57
ds3or you want a local source?02:58
johnxsadly that would be a 'later' thing, not a 'right now' thing :/02:58
johnxbut if he still has it, say a month from now and shipping isn't too bad I'd be interested in a known working model with an ok battery for somewhere south of $100USD02:59
ds3if sharp put in either a bluetooth or a wifi, it would be that much better...esp with the self rotating screen02:59
johnxcosmetic condition isn't that important02:59
lcuki have "something" running right now on my tablet.02:59
ds3think he says it has a new battery02:59
lcukit is preventing a reboot and keeping the backlight on02:59
lcukits pegged the cpu wayyyyy up02:59
lcukany ideas what it could be :$02:59
lcuki merely went to open the camera03:00 you tried rootsh reboot and it didn't even close the GUI?03:00
ds3the camera app does that on mine too bit I can't reproduce it reliably03:00
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lcukit told me it was going down, and the ssh session closed03:00
lcuktook a while to happen though03:00
ds3yank the battery03:00
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lcuki have :) dont like gremlins like that03:01
lcukfirst time its happened in a while03:01
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Stslaptoplcuk: so, why are you smiling? :P03:07
lcukbecause its coming together really nicely :)03:09
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lcukStslaptop, that picture is bouncing from zoomed right in to all the way back showing loads03:20
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LinuxCode[23:28] <lcuk> LinuxCode, very well indeed :)03:55
LinuxCodesorry mate..trying to make sense of this svg stuff03:55
FireFoxtalking to your self, huh? :)04:04
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Stslaptopgah. finally done with this semesters' exams04:08
* Stslaptop goes collapse in bed04:08
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* FireFox had his crazy history exam the day before yesterday :)04:10
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Pavlznokia against Ogg Theora04:11
Pavlzit did pressure on w3c04:11
Pavlzdoesn't give support in html 5.0 to ogv04:12
FireFoxzzzzzzzz -_-04:19
bef0rdoh hai!04:19
FireFoxhi :)04:20
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r2d2rogersStsN800: not able to turn on the serever before bed?05:03
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dick-richardsonis there an app in the repos that will show a mouse pointer? it'd come in handy clicking on smaller items on screen05:47
smackpotatoyou can change the icon theme to see the pointer05:47
dick-richardsonknow one off the top of your head that does?05:48
smackpotato1 sec05:49
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smackpotatothe cursor icons are in /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent05:52
dick-richardsonthank you :)05:53
smackpotatoand ther is anouther file that states thats the theme to use i just cant recall it05:53
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smackpotatook got it05:55
dick-richardsonmv /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors/transp to transp-ori?05:56
dick-richardsonthat's mentioned on the x11vnc wiki, but I'm not sure if that's just for client connections or the device itself05:56
smackpotatothe file you have to modify is /usr/share/user-icons/default05:58
smackpotatothats all i know05:59
dick-richardsonenough to point me in the right direction :)05:59
dick-richardsonthanks again05:59
smackpotatok happy to confuse you05:59
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smackpotatoanyone know anything on the 770 temperature sensors. how do they scale06:00
r2d2rogerssmackpotato: I didn't know the 770 had temp sensors06:01
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* r2d2rogers googles...06:02
smackpotatofind /sys/ -name *temp*06:02
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smackpotatoim,not on the 770 now but they both gave readings of about 100006:04
r2d2rogersI have two in front of me06:05
r2d2rogersjust cat them?06:05
smackpotatowhy do you have two06:06
r2d2rogersgot a chance to buy a mint one for $7506:07
r2d2rogersand was getting involved in deblet=>Mer testing06:08
r2d2rogersso one to use while I test stuff06:08
r2d2rogersI got 989  and 1174 on tmpe0 and temp106:08
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smackpotatoclose to the values i got the last digit is sensitive it has changed already06:09
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r2d2rogersI had it in had a while06:10
r2d2rogersthen put it on the desk06:10
r2d2rogers987 117106:10
smackpotatoi think il put it in the porch for a couple of hours and take a reading06:11
* FireFox laughs when people assume he is a expert at firefox because of his temporary user name (i'm really b-man)06:11
r2d2rogersFireFox: where'd ya fool 'em at?06:12
smackpotatotalking about firefox ......06:12
FireFoxat #ubuntu :)06:12
r2d2rogerssmackpotato: found a thread on temps at ITT
r2d2rogersnot much more than we know now...06:14
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slonopotamustrying to compile xf86-video-omapfb. but get:07:50
slonopotamus./configure: line 20737: syntax error near unexpected token `RENDER,'07:50
slonopotamus./configure: line 20737: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RENDER, renderproto)'07:51
slonopotamusanyone had this problem?07:52
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RST38hslono: XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT probably isn't supported08:11
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robinkIs OGG support finally in Diablo?08:50
robinkI'm trying to get my OGG collection to play with Canola2.08:50
kulvewell, depends what you mean by "in"..08:50
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robinkkulve: Using both the Diablo SDK and extras repository as well as yours.08:50
robinkkulve: ...could I get full OGG support?08:51
kulvefull? no08:51
kulveI don't even know what "full" means08:51
robinklightmediascanner0-ogg is still not working.08:51
kulveno tags, no flac, no speec, no ..08:51
robinkFull means playback of OGG/Vorbis files plus indexing that's supported by most media player apps on Maemo.08:51
robinkAh, no tags yet.08:51
robinkThat's what I was wondering.08:51
robinkCanola2 still uses lightmediascanner, which doesn't seem to support OGG yet.08:51
kulveI've made some success with the tags. Kilikali shows them all, but the metacrawler discards album tag for some reason08:52
robinkand lightmediascanner?08:52
kulverobink: I guess that might change now that the ogg-support is in extras08:52
kulveI've not tested the lms, but I guess it probably will work with the tags. But the tags are not supported in the 0.9 version yet08:53
robinkOK, I'm in no rush.08:53
robinkI had what was to me full OGG support in Chinook, and I'm being more impatient than I should be.08:53
kulveI would like to get tags support, theora and the new mimetypes for ogg-support 1.0 but looks like I need to modify some of the gst parts provided by nokia (instead of just adding stuff). That might cause some problems..08:55
kulvegst doesn't support the new mimetypes (audio/ogg, video/ogg) yet (just application/ogg)08:55
robinkLardman is still working on his port of Tremor to the c5xx.  I occasionally do a cvs up and it's usually changed.08:56
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kulvehmm.. Actually I don't know about the lms and the tags. I think lms might use the tremor directly so it actually might have better tag support for oggs than the other stuff that uses ivorbis trhough gst..08:57
robinkWhy does lms rely on tremor as opposed to libogg?  I thought the comments were part of the OGG container and not wrapped up in the codec.08:58
kulveI though so too, but I was wrong. The tags are in the comment section of the vorbis, not oogg08:58
kulvesounds a bit odd, but that's what the wikipedia at least says08:59
kulveand that's how it seems to be, according to the code08:59
robinkGotcha, good to know.08:59
robinkI thought the OGG guys were trying to escape the problems so prevelant in the MP3 format.08:59
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radicI compiled additional modules, will they loaded at boot if I excute update-modules?09:21
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radicgood morning qwerty1209:41
qwerty12good morning radic09:42
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radicqwerty12: can you say to me how the modules on OS2008 will be loaded on boot?09:43
qwerty12radic, You'll have to load them manually. Make a script in /etc/init.d that will "insmod whatever.ko" and symlink it into the /etc/rc2.d & /etc/rc5.d folders09:44
radicqwerty12: but some modules loaded automaticly09:45
qwerty12That's done by the initfs09:45
radiconly the new ones not09:45
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Jaffamorning, all10:32
Jaffammm, bacon butties10:35
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X-FadeDid you say bacon? :)10:49
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mavhcwhat's with tech people's obsession with bacon?10:52
timelessbtw, are you guys going to fosdem?10:52
* Jaffa ain't10:52
Jaffamavhc: bacon's goood10:53
mavhcI'm going to the foss way10:53
X-FadeNope, can't make it..10:53
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Mouseyhay guyz.. u get bacon?10:59
doc|homehay is for horsee10:59
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Mouseyoh hm11:04
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JaffaMorning, all11:43
JaffaEr. No, I did that.11:43
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Myrttiomg daylight12:07
X-FadeMyrtti: Finland in winter? :)12:08
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MyrttiX-Fade: Cambridgeshire in what I'd call April if I were in Finland12:10
X-FadeMyrtti: Heh :)12:10
Myrttiit's kinda eerie12:11
MyrttiI'm expecting the trees to bloom any moment12:11
RST38h...Privately, something close to desperation is starting to develop inside government. After watching the slide in bank shares on Friday, one cabinet minister did not altogether joke when he said: "The banks are fucked, we're fucked, the country's fucked."...12:11
Myrttihaving pussywillows in the willow tree at the hardware store and cute bunnies running around doesn't really help12:12
RST38h[sorry, had to quote that]12:12
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X-FadeJaffa: ImageMap extension should work now..12:45
JaffaX-Fade: cool, ta muchly12:46
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JaffaGetting images inserted at that "normal" sizes is a real PITA.12:55
JaffaX-Fade: aware of a way of doing it? Even on that page, despite specifying 726px on the image tag, it still looks badly corrupted12:55
X-Fade|726px should work inside the tag?12:55
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X-FadeJaffa: If everthing else fails, you can always use html for the image tag and force it to 726px with style="" :)12:59
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Mikhowould anybody know, if I open the same dynamic library with dlopen() from two different location in my code, and call dlclose() two times as well, will my code blow up?13:01
Mikhothe manpage says it keeps only one instance of the library in memory13:01
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RST38hJaffa: Black-on-dark-blue looks reeeeally cool =)13:07
RST38hMikho: it is not supposed to blow up, it should be reference-counted13:11
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Mikhothat's good13:13
Mikhobecause otherwise it would make my project lot more complicated13:13
radiccan I anywhere find the module-dependencies?13:15
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Mikhoanother thing: would anyone know of a quick-and-dirty way for a program to get a fingerprint of the device one it is running in?13:20
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Mikhoso that I could easily identify if two programs are running in the same file system13:21
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thekondorMikho: classical way to check if there is already running instance is to create an empty guard file13:24
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thekondorbut there is might be a problem: if your application finished incorrectly, this guard file (usually called '.pid file) wouldn't be deleted13:26
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woglindethekondor but you can check the pid13:27
thekondorwoglinde: yeah, I know :)13:28
Mikhohmm, maybe I'll try to check the timestamp of the program data folder13:28
Mikhoif it's identical, there should be pretty high possibility that the two programs are running on the same computer13:29
woglindepid is the better way13:29
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thekondorMikho: If I were you, I would choose the following:13:31
thekondoron run I'd check if there is already existent .pid file. If it is, I'd its contents (it should contain PID) -- if pid is not equal to the PID of current instance, I'd just rewrite it with new actual one13:31
thekondor* I'd check its contents13:31
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mavhcyou'd think by now the OS would support it, wouldn't have to use a hack13:33
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MikhoI mean, it's ok if there are more than one running, they'd just need to know if they are operating the same file system, so that they can use each others files13:40
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suihkulokkiMikho: that doesn't really make any sense to me.13:42
floriangood morning13:42
Mikhowhy not?13:43
suihkulokkiwhat kind of application that needs to be singleton is specific to a specific filesystem? how often do users actually bother to start same applicions multiple times of different filesystems?13:45
t_s_ohmm, itt seems slow today13:45
Stslaptopt_s_o: yeah13:45
StslaptopX-Fade: ping13:47
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MikhoI have a network of objects communicating with each other, abstracting differences between filesystems and terminals13:47
Mikhoit would be nice if the objects could exchange data files with each other, so that if one object shouts "i want this and this", another object might then serve the data file13:48
Mikhoand if they happen to reside in the same file system, the other object might just serve the path to the data file13:49
StslaptopJaffa: you're really doing stuff in wiki i never knew was possible :>13:54
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GeneralAntillesStslaptop, anything is possible.14:55
GeneralAntillesSome people run their whole sites on Mediawiki.14:55
AndrewFBlackGeneralAntilles, Seen some good ones run that way14:56
GeneralAntillesStslaptop, for instance:
Mikhooh, he was talking about wiki mechanics, not about things people write they have been doing14:57
thopiekaris it 'normal' that I get these outputs, when un'tar'ing the mer*.tar.gz-file?14:58
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Stslaptopthopiekar: you have to do it as root15:03
Stslaptopon a ext3 partition15:03
Stslaptopthopiekar: and make sure you use gnutar15:03
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thopiekarStslaptop: ok thanks15:05
Stslaptopit is usually recommended to try and use b-man's installer :)15:05
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GeneralAntillesMikho, er, your point?15:07
GeneralAntillesMikho, which is exactly the thing I was addressing, sooo. . . .15:07
StslaptopGeneralAntilles: think it would be possible to acquire as first step rsyncing the mer repository to or something? just wondering how much has to be put through the tasks15:07
GeneralAntillesStslaptop, talk to X-Fade.e15:07
StslaptopGeneralAntilles: alright15:07
X-FadeStslaptop: Monitoring ;)15:07
X-FadeI'm sure that hosting that repo won't be a problem at all.15:08
GeneralAntillest_s_o, people complain a lot about's slowness, but itT has its own moments. :\15:08
StslaptopX-Fade: hehe - basically my current hosting place for mer is notoriously unstable and i was pondering if we can take a initial rsync over ssh approach where we rsync to or something and then at some point in the future move on to repository upload (at some point) through, and then on to builder and such15:09
X-FadeStslaptop: I think that I can give you a location on garage where you can sync your repo to.15:09
X-FadeStslaptop: And then we can rsync that to the caching network..15:10
Stslaptopsounds fine to me15:10
Stslaptopwe have already if that can help with anything15:11
X-FadeWell .. no, but I guess we'll find something ;)15:11
Stslaptophehe ;)15:11
X-FadeStslaptop: What size is your repo up to now?15:11
X-FadeAh, no problem then..15:12
X-FadeStslaptop: Can you send a mail to -community requesting that?15:13
Stslaptopyes, of course15:13
X-FadeThat way all the people who can accept it/block it can read it in one go ;)15:13
X-FadeAn if nobody objects, we can get that plan into action..15:14
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X-FadeAlthough I don't see any problems with it.15:14
Stskeepsi'll get a mail written during today with specifics - we've been intentionally waiting a bit regarding builder and such as we want SDK stable first :P15:15
Stskeeps(less hassle for you admins ;)15:15
X-FadeStslaptop: Heh, well don't mind us ;)15:16
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: repository back up15:22
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: ok, thanks :)15:22
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wazd_n800Halo comrads!)15:30
t_s_oGeneralAntilles: i cant comment on slowness, as mostly i see the bugs area, and it seems responsive15:31
Stskeepsafternoon wazd_n80015:31
lcukitt is are be down?15:31
wazd_n800lcuk: is are has been was down)15:32
Stskeepswazd_n800: can you at some point when you're able to, read through and mail me what it says so you can get a jaiku invite and we can write you on the participants list, because you're helping out? :)15:32
Stskeepsit's just to make visible the people who are doing things in the project, also helpful for future CVs ;)15:33
lcukwazd_n800, yeah itt is down15:33
wazd_n800Stskeeps, ok)915:34
wazd_n800I think I'll leave all rus tablet forums(15:34
lcukis gizmo for video chat?15:34
lcukIS IT EASY TO USE?15:34
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wazd_n800lcuk: yep, i had  a videochat with it15:35
wazd_n800Stskeeps, jaiku is dead, isn't it?15:36
dnearylcuk: Gizmo is for video chat, and is relatively easy to use15:36
lcukill try it then :)15:36
dnearylcuk: But if you're looking for Free software, then QuteCom (formerly OpenWengo) is your best bet15:37
lcukim just after seeing my missus :) my mobile is dead15:37
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timelE61ifwiw, i grabbed the sdk debs, will try to build xref monday15:40
StskeepstimelE61i: :)15:40
Stskeepswazd_n800: no not that much yet :P in any case, it's the best collaborative tool we can use for this thing for now :P and would perhaps enable people like johnx to have a sane sleeping rhythm again ;)15:40
timelE61iWorst case, someone can force me to do it sunday@fosdem :)15:40
johnxStskeeps, sorry, what now?15:40
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johnxdon't get any ideas like my sleeping schedule is somehow ruined by Mer15:41
* lcuk might try to get to fosdem15:41
johnxIIRC, It was about like this last year15:41
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Stskeepsoh, right, now i know why i'm out of balance today15:42
Stskeepsi didn't have my morning coffee yet15:42
johnxme neither O_o15:43
johnxbeen out drinking before I even had coffee15:43
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Stskeepsi'm gonna take a quick swing at osso-xterm15:47
johnxam poking at some ubuntu hardware support packages for the zaurus15:48
Stskeepsso we can make zaurus images for 0.7? ;)15:48
johnxfor feb 1st?15:49
johnxcutting it a little tight...15:49
johnxmerging ubuntu's patches for h-d 2.0.11 to h-d 2.0.19 is not trivial it seems15:49
johnxI'm gonna need to find a good 3 way merge tool or something15:49
Stskeepsi occasionally do it manually :P15:50
johnxyeah. the very first in the series of 25 (a patch to some config files) failed miserably15:50
johnxanyways, I have a package for xfbdev for the zaurus. just a simple fix for it and the other packages should be easy thanks to basing on the OE guys' work15:52
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Stskeepsis it a accelerated fbdev or?15:53
Stskeepsas there exists xserver-xorg-video-fbdev too15:53
johnxit's a *lot* faster than xorg fbdev15:53
johnxand it's not very fast in the first place15:53
johnxon the c1000/c3x000 the native orientation is 480x640 and rotation to 640x480 is done by software :/15:54
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* RST38h moos evilly15:57
johnxoi RST38h15:57
Stskeepsas usual? ;)15:57
johnxone day I have to actually sit down and really learn all that screen can do...15:58
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RST38hJust dropped in to inform that Speccy release with wazd's icons is delayed because I am adding a virtual keyboard16:00
AStormhow can I have my vim on maemo support UTF-8?16:00
AStorm(the one from extras16:00
RST38hset locale? =)16:01
AStormit is set correctly16:02
AStormit seems I'll have to generate pl_PL.UTF-816:03
AStormhow do I go about it?16:03
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RST38hAStorm: Try KBabel, GTranslator, or PO-Edit16:09
AStormgenerate *locale*. for glibc16:10
AStormnot .po files16:10
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StskeepsAStorm: localegen16:10
AStormStskeeps, it's available on maemo?16:10
StskeepsAStorm: i think it is, but im not sure16:11
AStormENOENT - which package then?16:11
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Stskeepsjohnx: can you try do a build osso-xterm=0.14.mh13mer1 (something) on merbuilder?16:15
Stskeepsit's not responding to me16:15
Stskeepsas in, jaiku doesn't relay messages :P16:15
johnxtrying now16:16
Stskeepseven when refreshing page?16:16
johnxafter a refresh it's gone16:16
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johnxor ssh for commands and rss for reading?16:17
* Stskeeps grabs his coffee16:18
AStormirc for commands :P16:18
RST38hOh yes16:18
AStormno need for rss too16:18
RST38hTeach infobot to build mer packages16:18
johnxinfobot, build world16:18
RST38hAnd implement !hitthefan command to turn the reporting on16:18
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johnxwell, there'll be an open source version of jaiku out soon, right? we could just host our own instance and at least be able to see why it's going wrong16:20
RST38hjohnx: or do it right away without jaiku, with php16:23
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Stskeepsmm, not a bad idea either16:24
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dnearyhey hey16:26
dobjohnx: or use laconica16:26
dnearytimsamoff about today?16:26
Stskeepsdob: does it have the same principles as jaiku about channels?16:26
dobStskeeps: I don't know much about either, I've just heard it's an open source alternative :)16:28
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AStormStskeeps, so, could you generate the locale for me? or point me to the right package?16:30
StskeepsAStorm: i'm honestly not sure sorry16:31
Stskeepsi use localegen on Mer, so :P16:32
pupnik_   vmps loudspeakers KICK ASS16:32
AStormso, could you generate one for me? :)16:32
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GeneralAntillespupnik_, I've always been a fan of Axiom.16:33
pupnik_speaker shootout16:35
pupnik_Sheer madness! The VMPS 626Jr represents an insane level of sound quality at its asking price. It all starts with a cast of excellent drivers, remarkably well integrated using a first-order series crossover. Throw in a decent cabinet and you end up with a speaker than competes with speakers costing even three times as much. The old adage about good engineering does not cost any more than bad engineering applies here in spades. That push-pull ribbon mid16:35
pupnik_lets do clashing mechwarrior style speaker auditions16:36
AStormhow did they test?16:36
AStormblind test? frequency response, imd, thd+n?16:37
Stskeepswe still need to apply some VTE patches, but yeah16:37
AStorm"in my room" testing is not rigorous enough16:38
AStormat least if he didn't subtract room response :)16:38
AStormnow, it's better than many other tests :)16:38
AStormat least he bothered to measure16:39
AStorm"What I found most shocking is just how much sound quality these speakers deliver at an asking price of only $1,175/pr."16:40
AStormnot expensive, neat16:40
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AStormcould use a subwoofer though to extend low range - can't have it all I guess :)16:43
AStorm(a short-range - 16-40 Hz subwoofer)16:44
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JaffaStskeeps: doing these sort of things in a wiki just requires a sick (CSS) mind.16:45
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JaffaX-Fade: black on dark-blue - a work-in-progress ;-)16:45
JaffaX-Fade: also, I thought the <img /> tag wasn't whitelisted, so I can't put any CSS on [[image:...]], can I?16:46
X-FadeJaffa: Wasn't me ;)16:46
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X-FadeJaffa: You might be easier off just scaling the image manually.16:47
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JaffaX-Fade: I'm not sure that's possible in MediaWiki, is it? Although, the HTML and the image direct seem OK. I wonder if there's some odd CSS making it look "odd"16:49
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Stskeepslo yerga16:53
yergahi Stskeeps16:54
yergaand all ;)16:54
JaffaX-Fade: I'm an idiot. Firefox for some reason had a non-default zoom on that page, explaining why it looked crap16:58
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wazd_n800goddamn, why there're so much fanboyz in the forums17:06
Jaffawazd_n800: when you get a chance, could you send me the mer logo on a plain (preferably transparent) background for the Mer homepage mockup I'm doing?17:07
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wazd_n800Jaffa: i'm at the country right now, I'll do it when I'll reach home17:08
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wazd_n800Jaffa, Can I mockup the page too btw?)17:12
lcukwazd_n800, aren't you a fanboy?17:15
wazd_n800lcuk: of what?)17:21
wazd_n800lcuk: I'm a fanboy of good design :)17:22
lcukso you will whore yourself to whichever platform needs designer glitz and glamour :D17:23
lcuklike the a team but with photoshop as your weapon17:23
RST38hwhich automatically dismisses iPhone17:23
wazd_n800lcuk: But I like and hate all companies same time)17:23
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wazd_n800RST38h, iPhone has some design issues too17:24
KhertanHello !17:24
Khertandoes there is problem with itt ?17:24
wazd_n800RST38h, sometimes inconsistent UI for example)17:24
lcuklol khertan, i also gave a lolcat speak question about itt earlier17:25
wazd_n800Khertan, heya)17:25
lcuk"lcuk: itt is are be down?"17:25
Khertanhey ! it seems i found what was the problem with my nit17:25
Khertanwifi connection handler17:25
lcukyou froze it?17:25
Khertandon't know why17:25
RST38hwazd: blasphemy! -)17:26
lcukmmmm, i bolloxed up the wifi connection on mine -= i reformatted cos of it17:26
Khertanbolloxed ? euh ... don't know this work ... :)17:26
Khertanby i understand the general meaning ...17:26
Khertan s/by/but17:27
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lcukuniversal language of damaged mans dangly bits17:27
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lcukawww qwerty12 you didnt have detention today :D17:27
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qwerty12lcuk, you wanted me to have detention? :P17:28
RST38hlcuk: but I am sure they replaced it with whipping17:28
lcukyou shouldv done lol17:28
qwerty12lol :P17:28
Stskeepslo qwerty1217:29
lcuki installed gizmo - it was a bit ummm how do i say, complex and ott17:29
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Stskeepsqwerty12: testing our the eabi stuff17:29
qwerty12hey Stskeeps17:29
Stskeepsqwerty12: also
Stskeepswe still need to patch vte a little bit17:29
* lcuk burns EABI incompatabilities17:29
qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked!17:30
GeneralAntillesOK, I'm borred with itT being broken now.17:30
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: it's a complete disruption into my daily routine and i want my money back :P17:30
qwerty12Stskeeps, what's messed in libvte atm>17:30
Stskeepsqwerty12: cursor blinking and some other patches that would be nice to have17:30
qwerty12If vte built in the Mer sdk, I'd happily take a look but as it stands...17:31
lcukmaybe itt have upgraded to mer and they havent yet got the packages on yet17:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: could always go for the chroot method17:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: jaffa has documented this quite well17:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: also, if a package doesn't build in SB, it will build it in native.17:31
qwerty12Stskeeps, with 2.4gb left on my partition, I'm kinda reluctant :)17:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: hehe17:31
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Stskeepswhich will be the source of a blog post about "Should packages always build in Scratchbox? Is it an accelerator or the compiliation environment of the target platform"17:33
Stskeepsqwerty12: i'm suddenly getting "chage: Permission denied.17:34
StskeepsStopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 messagebus' returned error code 1. Exiting.17:34
Stskeepswhich kinda wonders me17:34
qwerty12Stskeeps, do you happen to know if there's an easy way to make a gconf schema file? I don't mind packaging advanced-power but its method of installing gconf files directly into /var/lib/gconf is not healthy at all. I'd rather make a gconf schema file & use dh_gconf.17:34
qwerty12Odd :/17:34
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Stskeepsqwerty12: se17:36
Stskeepsqwerty12: looks pretty simple.. and
qwerty12Stskeeps, thanks. I know how to make one manually, but adding the entries is a bitch :P17:38
Stskeepsalso we don't employ /var/lib/gconf anymore :P17:40
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qwerty12Yeah, gconf-schemas should handle the file location when it imports the file :)17:40
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qwerty12Fuck it, I can quickly make one based on the defaults and fix any problems when I try it out in mer17:42
Stskeepsqwerty12: much appreciated you're doing this work though :)17:42
RST38h  <=== disturbing apple fanboy ramblings17:43
Khertani already see it :)17:44
Khertani ve made many zoom on the pict ... but nothing interesting :)17:44
wazd_n800that jonathan ives is totally insane guy17:45
wazd_n800the way he talks - call the medics)17:45
* RST38h never heard him, what is wrong with him?17:45
RST38hAside from being French, I guess?17:46
Khertandon't know... i ve never talk with it17:46
Khertan s/it/him17:46
Khertanhe is french ?17:46
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wazd_n800You can watch movie bout macs new casing17:46
Khertanhe was born in london17:46
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Khertan... google docs api really lacks many features .... !!!17:48
Stskeepsqwerty12: fakeroot.patch is harmful17:48
Stskeepsqwerty12: just remove the calls to it, and it will be fine17:48
qwerty12Stskeeps, the qemu package?17:48
qwerty12Stskeeps, easily done, I hated the lines I employed in the postinst & preinst to include it for patching :)17:49
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Stskeepsarmel osso-xterm included now17:49
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Khertan <<<---- !!!!!17:50
Khertanhum ...17:51
Khertanhi generalAntilles :)17:51
StskeepsKhertan: yeah, should probably be redirected to somewhere else17:51
GeneralAntillesHi, Khertan. :)17:51
Stskeepslike ;)17:51
Khertanah great :)17:51
Khertani was looking for where to read instruction for installation :)17:52
Khertanoh ! really nice logo17:52
qwerty12My computer knows me all too well: :)17:52
Stskeepsqwerty12: "you have 0.5gb free, please delete some of your porn to free more space"?17:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, Well, I'm waiting for that message to come up yet as I have 2.5gb left :P17:53
Stskeepswe should include that in homediskfree.17:53
Stskeepswith Clippy popping up.17:53
qwerty12Hah, ubuntu's dch automatically puts a ubuntu1 epoch. Fuck that.17:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: it's based on lsb-release17:54
Stskeepsrest of us has same issue17:54
GeneralAntillesRST38h, VGBA asked me to pick a folder again.17:54
qwerty12Stskeeps, ah17:54
Khertanbut i can't do this based on user name :)17:54
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qwerty12Stskeeps, did the package install & remove fine btw?17:55
Stskeepsqwerty12: yes just fine17:55
Stskeepsdidnt check removal though17:55
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qwerty12wicked, thanks for testing. heh, removing should be fine now that fakeroot.patch is going :)17:55
* lcuk wonders if he needs an email addy to be involved in mer :)17:55
* Stskeeps plays with mer-osso-xterm17:55
dnearyAm I the only one seeing down?17:56
dnearyI guess the internet's broken for me17:56
Stskeepslcuk: it's just a matter of mailing me really, so i can add people to the participants list and have some degree of contact and optionally invite people on jaiku if need be :)17:56
dnearyI get: Notice: Undefined index: last_modified in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 57117:56
dnearyNotice: Undefined index: etag in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 57117:56
dnearyNotice: Undefined index: sent_headers in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/services/cache/module/content.php on line 57117:56
dnearyFatal error: Exception thrown without a stack frame in Unknown on line 017:56
qwerty12Now you're banished to IRC forever! muhahahaha17:56
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dnearySo is fine for everyone else?17:57
Stskeepsdneary: yup17:57
GeneralAntillesAs far as I can tell.17:57
dnearyWorks fine over https17:58
dnearyBut not http17:58
lcukunless your DNS points to :P17:58
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, do we happen to keep a history of user registrations?17:58
lcukGeneralAntilles, should have, it was part of the original voting thing17:58
lcukcos the date of registration was involved17:58
GeneralAntillesI'm thinking it would be interesting to correlate registrations to product releases, software announcements, and whatnot.17:59
Stskeepswoo, osso-xterm works on armel17:59
Stskeepsannoying blinking cursor though17:59
qwerty12Stskeeps, I've updated the qemu package and removed the fakeroot patch. I'll reupload to in a min, just need to generate a source package18:01
Stskeepsqwerty12: alright18:02
Stskeepsi'll test out on builder, usually the best way to see if something breaks :P18:02
* lcuk mails you18:02
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Stskeepslcuk: add18:06
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lcukwhere to?18:06
Stskeepsparticipants list :P18:07
Stskeepsjohnx: btw go ahead and add yourself :P18:07
jeward_Hi, I've downloaded a series of ebooks to my n810 and am wondering if there's a better way to read them on more than machine than fbreader?18:07
jeward_Say I want to read some on my Mac, and then read more on the n810 when out.18:07
wazd_n800poor Chichvarkin(18:07
lcukwheres that?18:08
jeward_Since they're in HTML, I thought about mailing them around in a document and putting the bookmark (some unique text) inline before saving it and mailing it to myself?18:08
jeward_The books are to big for Google docs or I'd use that.18:09
lcuk:) the new liqbase will be compatible with both x86 and NIT, the bookreader should therefore be compilable on multidevices to allow this kind of thing with shared user info18:09
Stskeepsqwerty12: set -e messes a bit with grep18:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, bollocks. Thanks18:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: if grep cannot find anything, then it might return non-zero18:10
qwerty12ah. May as well remove it, it's not worth using || true as there's not much else in the file.18:10
lcukStskeeps, which page i cant  do searches in vnc18:11
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* lcuk kicks his virgin connection in the nuts18:11
lcukthank you stskeeps in disguise ;P18:11
qwerty12Stskeeps, mind if I do it later? I'm busy converting raw gconf xml files into a nice & pretty schema file :)18:11
Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, sure18:11
Stskeepsqwerty12: no rush18:11
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lcukqwertys english teacher: did you do that essay I asked for?"   qwerty: "well i converted it to HTML, made a debian/rules file and set it to install along with the rest of your classwork..."18:13
Stskeepswtf, is jaiku not allowing messages being sent for channels today?18:13
r2d2rogersStskeeps: I've got kernel modules for and 2.6.21 in /lib/modules18:13
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: hmmm.18:13
r2d2rogersStskeeps: jaiku seems to be a bit bent18:13
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: which in 2.6.21?18:14
qwerty12lcuk, lol :P18:14
t_s_oStskeeps: part of some google switchover or something?18:14
r2d2rogers/lib/modules/current points at the 2.6.21 also18:14
jgwongHi, has anybody have retu-adc.c (a program to read the battery level) compiled?18:14
Stskeepsdob: dobi on jaiku btw? feel free to sign up more formally if you're interested :) (as listed on the Sprints page)18:14
qwerty12jgwong, uhm, it's right there on the same page:
jgwongqwerty12: Oh, I only saw the link to the source, thanks!18:15
qwerty12np :)18:16
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dobStskeeps: yes that's me, I just don't know what I'd like to do yet :)18:17
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Stskeepsdob: what kind of tablet do you have?18:18
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: just curious which modules end up there :)18:18
KhertanHo !!!.?...!!!! Modest just warn me that i ve got new email ... after 2 month of not working18:18
StskeepsKhertan: it's been hibernating like the bears over winter18:19
lcukwow, 2 months email backlog, that would tell me "you have 237423742346237484352 new mails"18:19
Khertanlcuk .... not with imap :)18:19
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dobStskeeps: a borrowed N80018:19
lcukit would still tell me how many new ones i had :)18:19
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Khertannope it tell you just only unread18:20
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: oh boy.. i wonder what causes that to come in18:22
Khertansisusbvga.ko ?18:23
r2d2rogersStskeeps: want the list from 2.6.16?18:23
qwerty12Khertan, been  in initfs since diablo18:23
Khertandon't know18:23
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: no, i'm just wondering what dependancy caused it to come in18:24
qwerty12Stskeeps, whatever did it obviously took "powerful, power-efficient, economical handheld computers" into account :p18:24
Stskeepsyes, a 770 that can do everything ;)18:24
* Khertan is cleaning his google docs account ... after creating 5000 documents18:24
lcukKhertan, if emails havent been working for 2 months i would have that many unread mails18:24
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: dpkg -l | grep diablo18:24
Khertani can say ... sync doesn't work well18:24
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Khertanlcuk ... yep but i use other mail reader i don't read my email exclusively on my nit18:25
r2d2rogersStskeeps: kernel-diablo-modules and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon18:25
lcukkhertan, how have you  managed 5000 documents, are they cal entries which miss their target?18:26
lcukor actual documents18:26
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: apt-get rdepends kernel-diablo-modules18:26
Stskeepser, apt-cache18:26
Khertanthis is my mnotes sync with google docs18:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: btw after removing set -e it works18:27
qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked, thanks. Will update the package later.18:27
lcukwont it blow up if you edit/create documents in google first and bring down to nit?18:27
Khertaneach time i push a modified docs from mnotes it create a new docs instead of modify it18:27
r2d2rogersStskeeps: usbnet-emergency-telnetd18:27
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: oh bollocks18:28
Stskeepsi'll take a look18:28
Khertani think it s just a stupid error somewhere18:28
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lcukim surprised at the number, i create documents (sketches) much quicker and more often and only have ~2k18:29
lcukhow would it know though?18:30
Khertanlcuk you haven't try the import feature of mnotes which try to import all things it can read from a path recursively ?18:30
lcukdo you download the doc, do a compare and upload if different?18:31
lcukor do you just always upload?18:31
Khertanthere is a timestamp of last update18:31
Khertanjust use it to compare18:31
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: did you ever modify the read foo stuff btw into a bzr branch?18:31
r2d2rogersr2d2rogers: I have not18:32
Khertani ve added in mnotes all text file from my backup server :) just to see :)18:32
lcuk"import all things recursively"  you mean the contents of every file found on a path scan?18:32
r2d2rogersStskeeps: I have not18:32
Khertanlcuk : yep :)18:32
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lcukgulp just what do you consider text?18:32
Khertanthis was a test to see if mnotes is not too slow when there is many notes18:32
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: removing then as i have it with me now18:32
r2d2rogersStskeeps: I only have the image branch right now18:32
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: awesome, thanks18:32
Khertanthere is nothing really usefull18:33
Khertanto do that18:33
lcukcos i recurseively scan for documents in the book reader, but i dont randomly create thousands of files, though for stress testing i suppose you could create a document from each line in every document identified18:33
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lcukhow fast/slow was your directory listing/building up of the grid with that many items, im  imagining it would be sluggish18:34
Jaffawazd_n800: go mad - I'm having a play at - making a design which is wiki compatible is a fun challenge18:36
lcukKhertan, or do you use a database for storing notes in?18:37
lcukjaffa, isnt that statement exactly the same as any embedded development :) the challenge is making something work in a constrained environment18:38
Jaffalcuk: indeed :)18:39
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StskeepsJaffa: also, does it view OK on microb? :P18:40
* Stskeeps steps a couple of steps back18:40
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we have osso-xterm now btw18:41
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: I'm trying to get the touchscreen working again, an apt-get upgrade borked it18:42
r2d2rogerswill grab the xterm next though :)18:42
JaffaStskeeps: yes, it will18:42
JaffaThe CSS is simple; the ingenuity (even if I do say so myself) is working out a compelling design one can do in mediawiki18:43
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: Mer Repo hiccup again?18:45
slonopotamus_hi (second attempt)18:46
r2d2rogersStskeeps: hullo18:46
r2d2rogersslonopotamus_: hello18:46
r2d2rogersStskeeps: sorry, missed the tab18:46
slonopotamus_Stskeeps, did you hit failing ./configure in xf86-video-omapfb?18:47
slonopotamus_ah, crap18:47
slonopotamus_i think i've answered myself18:48
slonopotamus_need dependency on xorg18:48
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qwerty12Stskeeps, sigh. Finished the gconf schema file by hand. Happen to know any programs for linux that check for duplicate lines inside the file just in case?18:49
woglindeqwerty hm sort and uniqe18:49
* StsN800 goes outside for another reboot and buys a new power supply18:49
qwerty12woglinde, wicked. Thank you!18:49
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qwerty12StsN801, w00t! I've produced a proper package for advanced-power using the gconf schema method to install the correct entries :). I just need to package the advanced-power-monitor now.18:55
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StsN801qwerty12, good job!18:57
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* StsN801 watches his server reboot18:58
qwerty12"If you aint no punk holla we want"18:58
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wazd_n800I think II can help with Mer homepage19:01
StsN801grr, definately power supply issues19:03
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StsN801lo zenvoid19:12
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zenvoidStsN801: hello19:17
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zenvoidI'm testing Android in the freerunner19:17
* StsN801 tries to restart his server19:18
StsN801how is it?19:18
zenvoidIt has sounds for the UI, ringtones, etc19:18
woglindeStsN801 should be stable now19:18
woglindeand keyboard19:18
zenvoidmaybe those sounds are under the apache license19:19
zenvoidI'm looking at the sources19:19
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qwerty12StsN801, Packaged advanced-power-monitor (and learnt how to use dh_installinit :)). I'll send to the builder in about 10 mins19:20
StsN801qwerty12, k, but repo is down atm19:21
StsN801so wait for my signal19:21
qwerty12Well, the source packages can sit pretty on my hard drive for the time being :)19:22
qwerty12Roger that19:22
qwerty12I'm not going to bother packaging the themes though - the user can use the icon set provided by their current theme or the icon set that comes with adv-power by default19:23
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ShadowJKWhat's advanced-power-monitor?19:25
StsN801qwerty12, just upload to incoming but dont /import19:25
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qwerty12ShadowJK, The person who made advanced-power split up the gathering information part into a daemon so other programs can get information from it.19:26
qwerty12StsN801, cool.19:26
ShadowJKUh, so what's advanced-power?19:26
* ShadowJK googles19:27
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StsN801qwerty12, can import now19:30
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qwerty12StsN801, is jaiku fucking up?19:33
jgwongqwerty12: Is that finished? Will that allow me to read the battery level via command line?19:33
qwerty12jgwong, dunno, I just have it installed so that the advanced-power applet works.19:33
qwerty12If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt etc19:34
infobotqwerty12 meant: If you want to read from command line, there's things like battery-status, retu-adc, kcbatt19:34
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JaffaStsN801/wazd/other mer folks: is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.19:34
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jgwongqwerty12: Nice, thanks19:35
dobJaffa: how about changing About to Goals?19:36
Jaffadob: The heading, rather than the button?19:36
dobJaffa: yes19:37
Jaffadob: done19:37
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dobJaffa: the bullet color should be changed, it blends in to the background19:38
Jaffadob: indeed. However, to do so would mean masses more HTML rather than just using the wiki syntax. Making it harder to maintain19:38
JaffaSo I decided not to, and shrug my shoulders at such issues ;-)19:39
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StsN801qwerty12, yes19:40
qwerty12StsN801, any objections to me marking qemu task as completed? I've rebuilt without set -e.19:42
qwerty12(I've tested the prerm script successfully on that front)19:42
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, go ahead - remember to update SDK documentation on wiki19:48
* Jaffa pokes Stskeeps as well as StsN801 now :)19:50
qwerty12Stskeeps, meh, maybe later :P19:50
Stskeepsqwerty12: k19:50
StskeepsJaffa: sorry, refresh what you said, was on tablet in another building19:51
JaffaStskeeps: is basically done now. Looks good in microb & webkit and Firefox. Subpages behind buttons are in place. Would like feedback & sign-off before replacing existing homepage and, also, any ideas on how best to not have "Latest Activity" pushing over the navigation/toolbox stuff in the maemo_org wikimedia theme.19:51
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StskeepsJaffa: section beneath the buttons "What's happening right now?"19:52
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JaffaStskeeps: so the buttons go in the middle?19:54
* Jaffa gives it a go19:54
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JaffaStskeeps: I've actually now tried putting the buttons and the feed side-by-side (since it's micro-blogging). A few tweaks still required, but it's promising.19:59
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Stskeepsif it's possible see if you can grab author as well in the microblogging list20:02
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JaffaI don't know how configurable the RSS extension is. Will investigate20:05
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radicStskeeps: where can I find the kernel-module-dependencie?20:10
Stskeepsradic: er, tablet? ;)20:10
Stskeepswhich one20:10
radicyes, on the N80020:10
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Stskeepsthey should be in repository20:11
Stskeepskernel-diablo-modules and such20:11
radicStskeeps: I use a self compiled kernel and modules20:11
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: borked touchscreen on 770 again, due to synaptics drive being tried it seems20:16
Stskeepsradic: ah, - then you need to generate the packages yourself20:16
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radicStskeeps: I want only to know wich modules must be loaded first that I dosn't get unresolved symboles...20:18
Stskeepsradic: which kernel, btw?20:18
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Stskeepsand what changes did you do to it?20:18
qwerty12radic, symlink all the modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ to /lib/modules/`uname -r` and then run "depmod -a" ( and then you can use modprobe.20:19
qwerty12of course, I assume that you'll put your new modules in /lib/modules/`uname -r`20:20
ioanI need a new tablet. I just sold my n800 on ebay to have money buy the n810 - the deal from and the deal is gone. I have no tablet and I need one. Should I buy n810 or wait for the new one? Any idea how long before the new one is out??20:21
radicqwerty12: thx20:21
Stskeepsioan: noone really knows, first in summer i think20:21
ioanthat's too far away, I need a tablet... lets hope the deal ($219) will pop out somewhere else20:22
radicqwerty12: I did "make nokia_2420_defconfig" but it seems it isn't exact the default-configuration of the kernel in der latest OS2008-image20:24
qwerty12radic, really? I've never noticed any differences.20:24
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khertan_n810hello  again20:33
khertan_n810i m trying to install mer in the train from the installer20:33
khertan_n810where can i found the dependancy e2fspprog ?20:34
Stskeepsit should be in extras20:34
khertan_n810the other was found in maemo repository20:34
khertan_n810sure ?20:35
t_s_odo mer have a working browser?20:35
Stskeepst_s_o: midori20:35
khertan_n810with an other package name ?20:35
Stskeepskhertan_n810: ok, extras-devel has it20:35
t_s_ohmm, seems like the development of both tear and webkit-eal have slowed down...20:36
khertan_n810hum i ve extras devel too20:36
* khertan_n810 is apt-get updating20:36
Stskeepskhertan_n810: i see it in extras-devel at least :)20:36
khertan_n810i m trying again20:36
JaffaThe App Mgr won't pull things from repos if you're installing from a file20:37
khertan_n810i know that20:37
Jaffamerinstaller to extras-devel is in scope pre-1.020:37
t_s_oJaffa: yet another nokia "save the user from themselves" thing?20:37
khertan_n810i used apt-get install e2fsprog20:37
qwerty12_N800khertan_n810, e2fsprogs20:38
thopiekari configure'd, make'd and make installe'd the source of the current  pulseaudio-version20:38
khertan_n810ouch :   Erreur d'écriture - write (28 No space left on device)20:38
GeneralAntillest_s_o, no, a "let's not encourage broken behaviours"20:38
thopiekarbut i can't find the binarys20:38
GeneralAntillest_s_o, dpkg doesn't fetch dependencies, either.20:38
Jaffat_s_o: dunno; dpkg/apt doesn't - I'm not sure it occurred to them as a really popular usecase20:38
GeneralAntillesWe don't want to make installing a .deb easy20:39
thopiekari'm a beginner in compiling sourcecodes please help :|20:39
GeneralAntillesThings should be distributed and installed through repositories.20:39
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t_s_oi think its "popular" out of ease of distribution. no need to set up a repo or try to get it onto extra20:39
qwerty12_N800thopiekar, unless you --prefixed=/usr to configure, you'll probably find the stuff under /usr/local20:40
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t_s_oespecially for someone that hacked together a solution to scratch a itch20:40
thopiekarqwerty12_N800: hmm thanks I will try it on sb1 now20:41
Jaffat_s_o: sucks for the future of the platform to have a (possibly temporary) developer distibute sourceless binary pkgs20:41
t_s_oJaffa: true that tho, but shit happens all the time...20:41
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* thopiekar foreget to say that he is _trying_ to build pulseaudio for his tablet...20:41
khertan_n810the installer is only 0.27Mo so it ll download all necessary things for mer ?20:42
t_s_ofunny thing is that i suspect that attempting to get everyone to do something the "right way" will at times alienate potential contributors...20:42
thopiekarqwerty12_N800: I get this output:20:42
thopiekar[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/pulseaudio-0.9.14/src] > make install --prefixed=/usr20:42
thopiekarmake: unrecognized option `--prefixed=/usr'20:42
thopiekaraaah false dir20:43
qwerty12_N800^ & it's to ./configure too20:43
khertan_n810t_s_o not really it has slow down a bit my dev but it s force me to make py2deb :)20:43
Stskeepsthopiekar: pulseaudio isn't exactly trivial to put on tablet :P20:43
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: rebooting merbuilder20:43
Stskeepsi'll build it for you20:44
Jaffat_s_o: difficult balance to strike :-(20:44
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, cool.20:44
GeneralAntillest_s_o, that's why you try to make the right way simple and friendly.20:44
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khertan_n810why do you want pulseaudio ?20:44
t_s_oJaffa: i think you just described life20:44
* mgedmin wants pulseaudio for network-enabled speakers20:44
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: package building stuff would be a lot easier if tablet had dh_make for instance :P20:44
mgedminimagine media player on the tablet playing through my avahi-discoverable office jukebox20:45
Stskeepsmgedmin: we use pulseaudio in Mer but we don't have any sound yet :>20:45
khertan_n810dh_make and all other standart debian tools20:45
* Jaffa bingles mud v1.8 which has made doing a "proper" vim simple20:45
mgedminis "bingles" some sort of British slang for "releases"?20:45
khertan_n810and a easy way to replace busybox20:45
khertan_n810jaffa, does mud could build gtksourceview and his python binding ?20:46
Jaffamgedmin: British talker slang for something like sis very happy with - so happy I'll sprinkle some (manly) glitter over it"20:46
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thopiekarqwerty12_N800: could you please explain how to build the binary more detailed? I'm just a beginner in these thinks^^20:46
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Jaffakhertan_n810: the Debian package pulled in the world. Is there a tarball?20:47
thopiekarqwerty12_N800: ./configure; make ; make install --prefix=/usr  ?20:47
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qwerty12_N800thopiekar, NO. I said prefix is passed to configure already.20:47
khertan_n810surelly ..;20:48
khertan_n810But don t ask me the links right now ...20:48
khertan_n810loagavg here is 9.0420:48
khertan_n810i ve just explode my own record20:49
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: advanced power built, building the other component..20:51
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: ping20:51
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i just remembered, we need hald-addon-bme for this to work :>20:53
Stskeepsif it uses HAL for battery metering20:53
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* qwerty12_N800 chases after Stskeeps with a bat. grrr :P20:53
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: we'll test it on x86 and see how it reacts to AC power20:53
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: both built20:54
qwerty12_N800cool :/20:54
* Stskeeps tries to install on virtualbox20:54
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radicqwerty12_N800: and aufter I did modprob -a I have to wirte a script that loads the modules with modprobe?20:56
qwerty12_N800depmod -a actually but yes, you'll need to make a simple script to modprobe the modules20:57
radicqwerty12_N800: all modules?20:57
qwerty12_N800well, the ones you want loaded20:57
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radic/home/user # modprobe cifs21:01
radicinsmod: cannot insert '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/cifs.ko': File exists (-1): File exists21:02
radicmodprobe: failed to load module cifs21:02
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qwerty12_N800lsmod doesn't list the module as already loaded?21:02
radicqwerty12_N800: hmm, I did cat /proc/modules21:03
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radiccifs is not loaded21:03
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* Stskeeps ponders on python-gnome vs python-gnome221:05
mgedminpython-gnome doesn't exist any more, I believe21:06
Stskeepsyeah, but it's called python-gnome in maemo, and python-gnome2 in ubuntu/debian :)21:07
r2d2rogersStskeeps: pong21:08
ds3do 'dmesg'21:08
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; and apt-get remove kernel-diablo-modules21:09
Stskeepsand see if it works21:09
radicqwerty12_N800: lol, I know the problem...21:09
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radicqwerty12_N800: cifs-support is compiled in the kernel21:10
qwerty12_N800hah, didn't see that one coming :)21:10
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: advanced power depends on python2.5-gnome but it is python2.5-gnome2 now21:13
r2d2rogersStskeeps: any way to get the version of osso-xterm that has the vertical shortcuts instead/also?21:14
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, skeen. i thought I was being safe by doing 'python2.5-gnome | python-gnome' :). Ah well, please change & rebuild.21:14
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i think libvte changes has first priority, but feel free to add it to
r2d2rogerswill figure out which that is also21:15
Stskeepsi'm going to patch xserver-xorg-video-omapfb a bit21:16
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: rebooting tablet21:17
r2d2rogers(--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found21:18
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: (--) ADS784x Touchscreen: no supported touchpad found21:19
r2d2rogersStskeeps: it's trying to load the synaptics module for the touchscreen21:19
JaffaStskeeps: can't change much in the output of the <rss> element, but I've finished the CSS tweaks on User:Jaffa/Sandbox/Mer_homepage21:19
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zecrazytuxI can't find rtcomm sources...21:37
zecrazytuxDoes anybody know where I should have a look ?21:38
radicqwerty12_N800: now the N800 is crashed21:38
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: solved: sudo dpkg -P xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-synaptics21:38
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thopiekarqwerty12_N800: I tried to build pulseaudio, but it seems that something is missing21:47
thopiekari tried building on the newest sourcepackage from the official site and on the source by ubuntu's apt21:48
thopiekarbut there is allways the same message..21:48
* thopiekar is now pastbin'ing it21:48
StOrM_NWis there any way to install any newer version of libc6 ... i need to install a python module that requires a version greater than 2.7-1. is there any repository containing any new version of libc6? the version installed at the tablet is the 2.5.0-1osso10, is it the newest one ported for the tablet?21:49
woglinde_StOrM_NW nope21:49
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woglinde_maybee on freemantle21:50
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: there's a packages_exclude thing in imager21:50
StskeepsJaffa: looks good now21:50
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StOrM_NWwoglinde_, is this the version 5 of maemo?21:52
JaffaStskeeps: Happy for me to move it over to be the main page?21:52
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khertan_Hi again21:52
khertan_Stskeeps: you should also stop metalayer-crawler and media*d with the mer installer21:53
khertan_as it can keep the sd card busy21:53
thopiekarsry here is the output from the terminal:21:53
woglinde_StOrM_NW yes21:53
khertan_hum ... my main computer is dead21:54
Stskeepskhertan_: ah, possible21:54
StskeepsJaffa: go for it21:54
khertan_the cpu is collapsed on the mainboard21:54
khertan_seems that the cpu fan died today21:54
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khertan_installing Mer with a phone data connection is really slow21:56
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khertan_specially with bad network coverage21:56
AStormkhertan_: my hsdpa is fine21:56
AStormah, then yeah21:56
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khertan_82% ...21:58
JaffaStskeeps: done :-)21:58
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JaffaStskeeps: I'm trying to use Yahoo! Pipes on the Jaiku RSS feed to improve the quality of the output21:59
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andre__thopiekar, googled for "pulsecore "ltdl.h: No such file or directory"" ?22:00
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khertan_98% ....22:01
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thopiekarandre__: no it's even my 'first' build from a sourcepackage22:03
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thopiekarthanks andre__.. it seems that libltdl3-dev was missing...22:08
r2d2rogersStskeeps: digging into imager for the exclude, thanks22:08
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khertan_hum ... just a question about the mer install22:09
khertan_he ask me for a root password22:09
khertan_and then the xterm win closed itself22:10
khertan_is there nothing saying that the install is finished ?22:10
Stskeepsdid you use advanced or simple?22:10
khertan_i don't like this 'hmm'22:10
Stskeepskhertan_: give me a second :)22:10
khertan_i use it too frequently to say 1 min after ... it s a bug22:11
khertan_wait the next release :)22:11
Stskeepskhertan_: yeah, nothing's damaged just for good measure :)22:11
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Stskeepskhertan_: open a x terminal and sudo gainroot, and then write refresh_bootmenu.d22:11
Stskeepsi assume you have installed the bootmenu before this22:12
khertan_yes of course :)22:12
* thopiekar just want to install mer on his device, to give the devs some feedback, but he don't know how...22:12
Stskeepsthis command will put the boot menu item into the bootmenu and restart22:12
r2d2rogersthopiekar: what device?22:12
Stskeepsthopiekar: you have VirtualBox on your PC?22:12
Stskeepsthat way you can try it out too.22:13
thopiekarStskeeps: too22:13
khertan_Stskeeps: hum ... write ?22:13
khertan_lol as a dumb asshole i enter write as a commands ... lol22:14
khertan_i m really tired22:14
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Stskeepskhertan_: hehe, i know the feeling22:14
khertan_it ll flash initfs right ?22:14
Stskeepsit will update initfs with a new bootmenu configuration22:15
khertan_just to be sure :)22:15
khertan_something is strange about install_bootmenu.desktop ... i think a dependancy is missing ... as it try sudo gainroot ... and as i ven't it ...22:16
Stskeepsoh, do you have 'rootsh'?22:16
khertan_it wasn't work the first time :)22:16
r2d2rogersStskeeps: got a exclude in, will test before pushing it22:16
khertan_i ven't before launching bootmenu the first time22:16
khertan_by before i mean before launching the install of mer_***.deb22:18
khertan_reboot in progress22:18
khertan_arg ... delay is really short !22:18
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Stskeepsyes, it is :P if you have any problems, just say, i'll help :)22:19
khertan_ok ... i ll look22:19
* khertan_ 's nit is rebooting :)22:19
Stskeepskhertan_: did the "hold down menu key to get into boot menu" show up?22:19
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: compiling new omapfb btw22:20
khertan_yep ... but i ve got the time to do it ... it display the message ... then ... hop ... 1/2s after boot is on flash :)22:20
Stskeepsyeah, it's rather quick22:20
khertan_and the time to push the wrong hw button ... (home) ... :22:20
khertan_and realize i do a mistake :)22:21
r2d2rogersStskeeps: fun, should I try the advanced power package?22:21
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we need hald-addon-bme to make sense of it :(22:21
khertan_third try :)22:21
khertan_grrrr stupid dpad22:21
khertan_need a 4th try22:21
* khertan_ isn't lucky today22:22
Stskeepskhertan_: i have popped my battery a many a time :P22:22
StOrM_NWis there some proc value that i can cat  to see the state of the battery?22:22
StskeepsStOrM_NW: lshal22:22
khertan_it s annoying to use menu button on n810 ... as it difficult to push the power button keyboard opened22:22
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khertan_hoho ... i clearly prefer the boot image of mer :)22:23
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khertan_but it s clear too that the boot sequence is longer than maemo22:24
Stskeepson the other hand, we're more flexible22:25
khertan_but for 1 min every month ... :)22:25
r2d2rogersStskeeps: so is the omapfb you are compiling the merged stuff from the pingu git repo you linked me to on the 16th?22:25
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: yeah22:25
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* r2d2rogers takes that off his todo list22:25
khertan_hum ... qwerty keyboard22:26
khertan_and no î22:26
khertan_to enter my fullname22:26
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Stskeepskhertan_: yeah, admittedly we're not that international yet :P22:26
khertan_humm ... it s seems that trying advanced-backlight rotate feature is a bad idea :)22:28
Stskeepskhertan_: yup22:28
Stskeepsim not sure why but it is ;)22:28
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* khertan_ is trying to connect with ssh on a device not connected to the network :(22:29
khertan_on 0.6 there is no xterm ?22:29
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Stskeepsno, sadly not, but 0.7 will have it22:29
khertan_or shortcut to go in console ?22:29
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Stskeepsshortcut to go in console.. rotate button in advanced backlight22:29
khertan_nope ... i m staying with a nice picture22:30
Stskeepsah, then it doesnt update properly :P22:30
Stskeepsbut yes, a missing xterm was a huge problem22:30
Stskeepswe have it now though22:30
khertan_hum holding power button doesn't help22:30
Stskeepskhertan_: as it says, not expecting too much of it :)22:31
Stskeepsthe power button thing is actually a UI trick22:31
Stskeepspop the battery to reboot22:31
khertan_i know i should not expect too much22:31
khertan_but this is already clearly amazing22:31
khertan_and if i'm trying it this is entirely your fault ... with your screenshots ... :)22:32
Stskeepshehe, after making 100+ branches of stuff ;)22:32
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Stskeepswe hope that 0.7 will be a little more user friendly.22:32
Stskeepswith xterm, application manager, etc22:32
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Stskeepswb meiz22:33
khertan_there isn't any wifi yet ?22:33
StskeepsMeiz_n810: we have osso-xterm now22:33
Stskeepskhertan_: sure there is, isn't it in the top right corner?22:33
* Meiz_n810 say it in jaiku22:34
JaffaYay, Yahoo! Pipes FTW22:34
StskeepsMeiz_n810: hehe, yeah, jaiku has been a bit wonking today22:34
khertan_sorry ... i ven't see that this is network connection icon22:34
Stskeepskhertan_: it's fine, we really need new icons for that thing :P22:34
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i saw those messages on #merbuilder too :D22:34
JaffaStskeeps: author & date stamps now in "Latest Activity" bucket22:36
StskeepsJaffa: ta :)22:36
StskeepsJaffa: much appreciated, i don't own a shred of aesthetics :P22:36
* Jaffa eagerly awaits his free copy of Mer as a "thank you" ;-)22:37
* Stskeeps tries to see if xserver-xorg-video-omapfb updates breaks everything22:38
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: i think synaptics mess up on n800 too22:40
r2d2rogerstake it out and it works fine22:41
r2d2rogersconfirm in Xorg log22:41
Stskeepsyeah, it seems to load "no supported touchpad"22:41
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Stskeepsi'll exclude both in n800 and 7722:44
Stskeepsxserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-all are the sinners, right?22:45
r2d2rogersI'll revert my change for the merge, as I think you have a better grasp of that part than I do22:45
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r2d2rogersbut do we need other drivers that the input-all pulls in?22:46
Stskeepsit removes this afterwards, so22:46
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Stskeepscommitted, pushed22:47
r2d2rogersStskeeps: time fot apt-get update;apt-get upgrade?22:49
disco_stuqwerty12_N800, whats the name of the theme you are using in the screenshot of wmlbrowser22:49
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: go ahead22:50
qwerty12_N800disco_stu, tritanium22:50
disco_stuis very nice :)22:50
qwerty12_N800Yeah, a really nice theme by the lcars guys :). it's in extras22:51
r2d2rogersI just started using it <G>22:51
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disco_stui spend the last 10 days in Chile on vacation22:53
disco_stuso i've lost the updates22:53
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: not working.22:56
r2d2rogerstrying to figure out logs now22:56
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: which is not working?22:56
r2d2rogersxsession errors is huge22:59
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JaffaX-Fade/GeneralAntilles: ping22:59
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: reboot ideally23:00
r2d2rogerswill again23:00
Stskeepswoo, i made gnome-keyring shut up \o/23:01
r2d2rogersStskeeps: also see trac.tspre in /home/rd2rogers for xsession-errors20090123.txt23:01
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I've created a new article in the council blog folder but it's not appearing. I selected the 'council' category - is it just a case of being patient or have I done something wrong (or is something broken?)23:01
GeneralAntillesJaffa, stale cache?23:02
GeneralAntillesI see it in there.23:02
JaffaOh, cool23:02
GeneralAntillesYou've got an errant codebox in there, though.23:02
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: just dead X in there and your previous xsessions23:02
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I still don't see it at all. If I drill down to the archive (a page I've never looked at), I can't see it there either.23:03
r2d2rogerswill try again if reboot doesn't work23:03
Stskeepsotherwise we'll test with the old omapfb23:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: hmm. OK, I'll fix the problems and try refreshing again later23:04
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: odd that it took two reboots to fix?23:05
r2d2rogersworking fine now23:05
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: we're approaching windows standards it seems..23:05
r2d2rogerstrying application manager23:07
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r2d2rogersno load...23:07
r2d2rogerswhat's needed for the screen rotate?23:08
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Stskeepsi'm honestly not sure - rotation enabled kernel, maybe X driver support23:08
Stskeepskulve: does xf86-video-omapfb do rotation?23:08
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radicfor what is observability.ko?23:13
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JaffaNokia's secret tracking module23:13
lcukJaffa, very nice page layout :) especially impressed with the background styling23:14
JaffaThe GPS works perfectly, they only make it look crap so you won't suspect it being used to feed data to $YOUR_GOVTS_SECRET_KEEPERS23:14
Stskeepsgod, it's just so nice to have a working x terminal.23:16
RST38hbut defiitely less fun than having a working vt220 terminal at your bedside23:18
Stskeepsyes, you're right :P23:18
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RST38hOk, added virtual keyboard to Speccy and also fixed a few joystick problems23:19
RST38hNot sure if all virtual keys work but we will see23:19
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woglinderst pandora?23:19
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RST38hwoglinde: ?23:19
woglinderst the machine you are working on23:20
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, how long will it take you to add one to fMSX? :)23:24
qwerty12_N800Of course, not pushing or anything23:24
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lcukRST38h, does the virtual keyboard do keyword expansion (ie "J" into LOAD) and shift P into " ?23:26
lcukor alt or whatever itwas23:26
lcukor are we working from spectrum +2 levels where people were truster to type their own keywords23:27
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Stskeepslo b-man23:28
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* b-man is going nutz because of an annoying "USB device not supported" notice..... he doesn't even have a usb device connected 0_o23:30
khertan_Stskeeps: does the wifi wep work on mer ?23:31
Stskeepskhertan_: should23:31
Stskeepsi have tested WPA2.23:31
Stskeepswhich makes it awkward if WEP doesn't work :P23:31
khertan_i m not able to connect ...23:32
Stskeepsawkward then :)23:32
Stskeepsif it continues acting up file a bug so we can keep track of the weird things the versions exhibit23:33
RST38hqwerty: just an hour or so23:35
RST38hlcuk: I think you will have to hold Fn for SSHIFT23:35
radicqwerty12_N800: for what is observability.ko?23:36
qwerty12_N800RST38h, wicked, thank you.23:36
khertan_Stskeeps: i ll try to see if i ven't made any mistake ... and if this is not the case i ll fill a bug23:36
lcuki wonder how difficult it would be to make an actual rubber keyed spectrum act as a usb keyboard :)23:36
qwerty12_N800radic, no idea. run strings on it or something23:37
RST38hlcuk: Not difficult but bothersome23:38
radicqwerty12_N800: it lets my N800 crash23:38
r2d2rogerswonder if network manager could make the usbnet useable after booting, instead of selecting it at runtime23:38
lcukRST38h, ok, simpler, just a cleverly disguised overlay on my apple BT keyboard23:38
kulveStskeeps: I guess it's more up to the framebuffer below the x driver23:39
kulvexf86-video-omapfb doesn't do anything for it23:39
RST38hlcuk: It looks different =) And lags, too23:39
lcuklol @ the truth in that23:39
Stskeepskulve: alright23:40
Stskeepskulve: thanks for the answer :)23:40
RST38hlcuk: notice that speccy keyboard NEVER lagged!23:40
kulveI guess the driver might (maybe, just guessing here) implement e.g. xrandr quite easily IF the lower level FB driver supports it23:40
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lcukRST38h, i have noticed an inverse corrolation between increasing computer speed and responsiveness :)23:41
StOrM_NWis there any tool that i can use that can do the same thing of hciconfig and pand?23:41
woglindestorm_nw under settings23:41
woglindeis the bt manager23:41
StOrM_NWanything that i can use without gui23:42
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brenojacyes, but it's very important to have the command line tools itself23:42
brenojacwere they removed from the package bluez-utils?23:42
RST38hlcuk: Alas...23:42
woglindedont know if there are dbus commands23:42
RST38hAnyone knows GDK_ keycode for the CHR key?23:42
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qwerty12_N800brenojac, install bluez-utils-test23:44
brenojacyes, great23:44
brenojacI found it on the web too23:44
brenojaclet me test23:44
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, what's the xev output after pressing it (N800, so I can't do it)23:45
brenojacthanks a lot23:45
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StOrM_NWThe following packages have unmet dependencies.  bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.28-0osso4) but 3.28-0osso6 is to be installed E: Broken packages23:46
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StOrM_NWis it safe to remove the previous version of bluez-utils?23:47
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RST38hqwerty: Already found it, it is GDK_Multi_key23:50
RST38hqwerty: Will make it act as ALT or GRAPH on MSX23:51
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, ah, cool23:54
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khertan_stskeep : wpa works23:56
khertan_anyway it should be forbidden to use only wep :)23:56
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khertan_hum ... can t ssh on it23:58
khertan_seems that password isn't recognize23:59

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