| lcuk | timelE61i, no sorry not ready for it | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | and no i dont know anyone | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: told you it wouldn't be easy | 00:01 |
| b-man | yeah :p | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, ideally any changes should go into Maemo as well to contribute closer alignment (and less patching work when new HAM versions come out ;) | 00:01 |
| johnx | Jake42-2, you have a .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc? put them in the same directory and run: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 00:03 |
| johnx | then cd into the directory it creates and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. if there are errors you may need to fix them | 00:03 |
| * Jaffa twiddles his thumbs whilst waiting for it to build. Will go and wash some baby bottles :-) | 00:06 | |
| * b-man starts to "sift out" installible applications by selecting a random grup of 15 applications from the base system section and marks down witch packages work and witch don't work with the system, so far, only 7 out of 15 of those packages work :p | 00:06 | |
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| pupnik_ | any of you guys know of a swedish company that specialises in touchscreen UIs called Neonode? | 00:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.ces-show.com/0055/motorola/cellphones/n2-mobile-phone/ | 00:21 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: The one that was used to ake phones? | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | the one that had a semi-public spitfight with Microsoft over the first WinMobile? | 00:24 |
| pupnik_ | don't recall that. they just reorganized under bankruptcy | 00:25 |
| pupnik_ | going to try to market their touch ui | 00:25 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDMHmlZRLc ah there it is | 00:28 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps/johnx/mer-folk: is mer assumed to still be a single-user system, it's just the user might not have the uid `user'? | 00:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | Is there a way of identifying that user's UID? (I suppose it's the only one in the group `users') | 00:30 |
| johnx | Jaffa, I would say that the eventual goal should be multiple concurrent users, but right now some things just don't behave well being run more than once | 00:30 |
| johnx | ex: maemo-launcher | 00:30 |
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| jkr | Ahoy | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | for what purpose btw? | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | wello jkr | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: just thinking of the security implications of the sudo entries HAM writes to enable apt-worker to be run. | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | However, changing it so that anyone in `users' can do it will work on Mer & Maemo without further change to either system. | 00:31 |
| johnx | Jaffa, how about making it ok for group admin to run? | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | BTW, known issue that run-standalone.sh doesn't work (/etc/osso/af-init-defines.sh doesn't exist) | 00:32 |
| johnx | though if it needs to work on both with the same config file, maybe group 'users' would be ok | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | users is fine i guess | 00:32 |
| johnx | Jaffa, is this the mer sdk? or a mer system? | 00:33 |
| jkr | Is it possible that WPA2 needs a lot of more power on a N810? | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: /etc/osso/af-init-defines.sh doesn't exist, so :P | 00:33 |
| johnx | ah, in both, right :) | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | (we dont have a script setting up everything) | 00:33 |
| jkr | Or maybe using Draft n or a special channel? | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | jkr: of course | 00:34 |
| luke-jr | any kind of crypto needs more power | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | jkr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) is most likely cause though | 00:34 |
| johnx | jkr, do you mean cpu power or power draw while in use or power draw while idle? | 00:34 |
| jkr | Well, I'm talking about battery life | 00:34 |
| jkr | I recently got a new AP and since then the battery time (idle) is down to a few hours instead of days | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | most likely PSM then | 00:35 |
| johnx | jkr, then it's likely what Stskeeps said :) | 00:35 |
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| Stskeeps | jkr: i use wpa2 and mine is days instead of hours, so | 00:36 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 00:37 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.whitehouse.gov/copyright/ <- that's neat | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | CC license on whitehouse.gov :> | 00:38 |
| jkr | Hehe, the first hit for a google search for "fritz box psm": https://bugzilla.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738 | 00:38 |
| jkr | That's sounds pretty much like my problem | 00:38 |
| GAN800 | Basically, you've got a shit router. :P | 00:39 |
| jkr | Actually it's pretty cool | 00:39 |
| jkr | Sounds like a bug in the firmware | 00:40 |
| GAN800 | That doesn't make it less broken, unfortunately. | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | jkr: if you have something called WMI/WMM in the config, enable it | 00:40 |
| jkr | Which config? On the AP? | 00:41 |
| johnx | yes | 00:42 |
| jkr | What does WMI/WMM mean? Translating it could help finding it on the german UI :) | 00:43 |
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| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Multimedia_Extensions | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | Lovely bit of code in hildon-application-manager/src/apt-worker-client.cc: http://paste2.org/p/133000 | 00:44 |
| johnx | classy | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: not first time we see scratchbox-specific things | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:45 |
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| * RST38h is kinda unsure what White House means by "terminating repeat infringers" | 00:45 | |
| jkr | Nope, no such option | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps there's a firmware upgrade | 00:47 |
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| Stskeeps | basically, that option is needed for any mobile device to do sane power saving | 00:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, I think you know what it means :) | 00:47 |
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| jkr | Stskeeps: The firmware is up-to-date. I'd rather think that there option is active by default and there's just no way to disable it using the UI :) | 00:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: yes, I can guess... | 00:49 |
| Ki6AMD | Has anyone else had problems with VideoCenter's DBs and remembering downloaded podcasts? | 00:49 |
| jkr | According to the forum posts and the bug reports, it looks like the problem is more a N810 problem rather than a router problem | 00:49 |
| johnx | jkr, well, the n810 is one of the devices that makes the most extensive use of wifi PSM, but generally if the router won't play nice the n810 can't use PSM | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You said that iwconfig y/day says power management is disabled on your laptop so i'd be more inclined to blame the router. | 00:50 |
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| jkr | I think I'll just attach my old WRT to the router :) | 00:51 |
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| johnx | you gave up a WRT for something *else*? | 00:51 |
| jkr | qwerty12_N800: Well, whatever "Power management" means - IIRC it's something that the WLAN driver on the notebook does | 00:51 |
| jkr | johnx: The WRT is just a router :) The Fritz Box is *everything* - and it was free | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | my head hurts | 00:52 |
| woglinde | lcuk drink another beer | 00:52 |
| jkr | Draft-N WLAN, DSL up to 32 MBits, DECT station, media server, ... | 00:52 |
| lcuk | nahhh one is already enough | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I assume it means power saving - at least my N800 says it is on when connected to a speedtouch. | 00:53 |
| lcuk | im just v tired :) | 00:53 |
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| jkr | qwerty12_N800: The iwconfig suggests "powermanagement" is something you can configure at client side using iwconfig | 00:55 |
| lcuk | nice! as well as loading from a dynamic lib ive worked out how to load a named dll and get at methods :) | 00:55 |
| jkr | *iwconfig manual | 00:55 |
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| Stskeeps | jkr: the power saving only works if the ap supports it :) | 00:56 |
| jkr | I tried "iwconfig wlan0 power on", now it says that power management is on :) | 00:57 |
| jkr | So I guess it doesn't tell me anything about the router | 00:57 |
| Stskeeps | sure you didnt disable it under connections then? | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jkr, probably, I haven't read up on it (too lazy :)) but then again, wifi psm can be disabled from the tablet anyway, so assuming (I think anyway) that they mean the same thing... :) | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | im so pleased i got font scaling working :) | 00:58 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets off his arse and googles man iwconfig | 00:58 | |
| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 00:58 |
| jkr | The connection settings on the N810 say "Power saving: On (maximum)" | 00:58 |
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| johnx | jkr, I assume you just ran iwconfig on your laptop? | 00:58 |
| jkr | Yup | 00:58 |
| jkr | Couldn't find a package for OS2008 yet | 00:59 |
| johnx | google: wirelesstools maemo | 00:59 |
| jkr | Good idea | 00:59 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I think that it will show 'on' in iwconfig as long as the driver is trying to use it | 01:00 |
| johnx | whether or not the driver can use it depends on whether it can negotiate successfully with the AP | 01:01 |
| johnx | (IIUC) | 01:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Best way to install is to use the packages from nokia. wget/maemo-mini-curl http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/libiw29_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb and, as root, use dpkg -i on the debs | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I see johnx, thanks | 01:01 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I might be wrong :) | 01:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, I'm not massivly clued up 'bout it either so, I'll take your word :) | 01:02 |
| jkr | Can't I just install it using the package manager? | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't think they're in user/ category which means horrible modes | 01:03 |
| jkr | The last time I got myself root access I had to reflash the system :) | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ouch :/ | 01:04 |
| johnx | jkr, you won't this time. There's a great package called rootsh which is easy and safe | 01:04 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 grins | 01:05 | |
| johnx | lot's safer than red-pill mode needed to install them via app manager | 01:05 |
| jkr | I installed sshd to get a root password, then later disabled the sshd in the services list because I thought I didn't need it running all the time | 01:05 |
| jkr | The N810 never came up again :) | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that service list applet sucks imo | 01:05 |
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| johnx | are you sure you didn't disable anything else in services applet? | 01:06 |
| jkr | Yup, pretty sure | 01:07 |
| jkr | I googled for the problem afterwards and some other people had the same problem with sshd | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It uses update-rc.d to "enable" a service. Which is standard and normal byt considering that most of the stock scripts with maemo don't have init info, you get services started at the wrong time | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *but | 01:08 |
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| jkr | The N810 bootet until the progress bar was full, then a few seconds/minutes nothing happened and finally the screen became black and it started again | 01:08 |
| jkr | Until the battery was empty or one took it out | 01:08 |
| johnx | O_o | 01:08 |
| johnx | wow | 01:08 |
| johnx | much suckittude | 01:08 |
| jkr | Yup | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jkr, rootsh gives you root without any extra services. And if it messes up, I welcome you to swear at me :) | 01:09 |
| jkr | That happened a few days after I got the N810, I really thought it was already broken | 01:09 |
| jkr | Alright :) | 01:09 |
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| sisto1 | jkr: did you solve the problem? | 01:10 |
| johnx | it can be pretty fragile with regards to stuff that runs at boot | 01:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | (ofcourse, people rarely ask for permission to swear...) | 01:11 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, random thought: would it be ok to add the commands to enable usb-host to the rescue-mode "console" script so that people can use usb keyboards? | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought it was on implicit when no g_thing loaded | 01:13 |
| jkr | Alright, everything installed | 01:13 |
| jkr | iwconfig says pwoer mgmt: on | 01:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nope, needs to have g_file_storage loaded and host echo'ed to /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | oh that thing.. | 01:15 |
| jkr | So how does that help now? :) | 01:15 |
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| johnx | jkr, errr...pretty sure we already decided it wouldn't tell you much...but now you can look at the pretty stats :) | 01:15 |
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| jkr | Whee :) | 01:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx, yes sure re consol | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | e | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | not permanent hack though | 01:16 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, right, not on all the time, just if console is selected from rescue...hmm and maybe if hardware is RX-x4 | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | it should really pop up a menu when cable plugged in and ask how to act | 01:17 |
| johnx | jkr, plug in your WRT. turn off the wifi on your fritz box. if your power usage doesn't go back to the way it was then it's ... probably some software being dumb | 01:17 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, but it can't detect that unless we use a mini-a cable | 01:17 |
| johnx | and we can't use a mini-a cable unless we hack in a differently shaped physical port | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | johnx, thought we saw that in HAL | 01:18 |
| johnx | with host mode not set? | 01:18 |
| johnx | hmm | 01:18 |
| johnx | will check | 01:18 |
| jkr | lol | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | listen on dbus | 01:18 |
| jkr | Some people suggest the problem does only occur with static IPs | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | im off to sleep | 01:19 |
| johnx | I didn't think the *kernel* would be able to tell, but I will check | 01:19 |
| jkr | Gotta check taht | 01:19 |
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| RST38h | 7949! | 01:19 |
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| RST38h | and S&P is gonna go under 800 rsn | 01:19 |
| * qwerty12_N800 takes RST38h's bank card & enters 7949 as pin | 01:20 | |
| johnx | RST38h, JP retail spending down for the 12th year straight :) | 01:20 |
| johnx | business as usual | 01:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: they are lowering prices aren't they? | 01:20 |
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| johnx | RST38h, at stores? maybe? but import prices are going down because the JPY is strong. | 01:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: The "beauty" of .RU is that the retail prices are going UP while salaries go way down (by as much as 50%) | 01:22 |
| johnx | hmmm. neat plan. tell me how that works for you | 01:22 |
| jkr | Ah, my router actually has WMM and it's active | 01:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: usd. | 01:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: that is how it works for me | 01:23 |
| jkr | It shows it in the list of connected clients | 01:23 |
| johnx | jkr, huh. well that's interesting | 01:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm thinking of getting some real estate soon :) | 01:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: it does not work the same for the locals though, so I expect all kinds of hilarity in 2-3 months | 01:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Same | 01:23 |
| johnx | not "soon" soon, but soonish | 01:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: getting affordable again | 01:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, getting affordable in some nice places | 01:24 |
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| RST38h | johnx: well, just ashort while ago it was not affordable anywhere | 01:24 |
| wazd | Now I'm here :) | 01:24 |
| RST38h | Anyways, bed time | 01:25 |
| RST38h | moo wazd, tomorrow | 01:25 |
| johnx | yeah, same here O_o; | 01:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've sent you new spec) | 01:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: thans! checking | 01:26 |
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| RST38h | yep, this is it. will put it in tomorrow. | 01:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok :) So my work is complete I suppose :) | 01:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: or any other icons to make?) | 01:29 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo: http://87.194.112.115/~andrew/mer-ham-01.png | 01:41 |
| b-man | oh, sweet!! :D | 01:42 |
| * b-man awards jaffa with a metal | 01:43 | |
| towo | etal? | 01:43 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: why ppl is againt a Mer subcategory in iTT? | 01:59 |
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| Stskeeps | no clue, didn't look for getting it | 02:01 |
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| Stskeeps | debian exists for a reason, kde is useless.. | 02:02 |
| solca | Stskeeps, you should IMO as it's the only future of newer Maemo for older NITs | 02:03 |
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| Stskeeps | we'll just coup 'Alternatives' ;) | 02:03 |
| pupnik_ | btw i didn't see anything really compelling from that swedish company, did you RST38h ? | 02:03 |
| Stskeeps | jaffa: good job! | 02:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's probably better asking for a category when the only mer thread turns into 40+ pages because I don't see point of a category yet - support is there judging by thanks but not much replies | 02:04 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: wait for the moment Nokia release a newer tablet and all ppl will be asking how can they run Mer on ther "obsolete" tablets... | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | solca: yeah, but atm we are developing | 02:05 |
| johnx | solca, nah, you're thinking small :) We want it on shiny new tablets too | 02:06 |
| * johnx really sleeps now | 02:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, hehe, I would guess that the thread would become 40+ pages? :D | 02:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: insomnia sucks | 02:06 |
| johnx | I'm just not on 24 hour days lately :/ | 02:06 |
| johnx | the only problem is they keep expecting me to show up at work. bleh :P | 02:07 |
| solca | Stskeeps: well when someone creates the Mer category it would be nice to move all Mer threads to keep history | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | solca: so far couping alternatives sound like an idea. not until it becomes talk.maemo.org we would feel truely at home there | 02:08 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, mer isn't IT-specific | 02:09 |
| Stskeeps | when sufficient buzz is generated we will findd out | 02:11 |
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| ian_at_synth | hi all | 02:12 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 02:14 |
| * b-man watches the Obama inauguration | 02:14 | |
| wazd | b-man: I think there should be afterparty already :) | 02:16 |
| b-man | hehe, yeah, i know :) | 02:16 |
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| wazd | Southpark has a great chapter bout USA elections :) | 02:18 |
| wazd | one of the greatest ever I think :) | 02:18 |
| b-man | lol | 02:19 |
| * b-man hopes to god openssh is installible in gentoo | 02:20 | |
| b-man | yesss! | 02:21 |
| fireun | http://susty.com/EasyBloomUSBPlantSensor-treehugger | 02:22 |
| fireun | now wouldnt more enviromental sensors make more sense than adding wimax? | 02:22 |
| fireun | accelerometers and humidity meters and such | 02:23 |
| Jake42-2 | johnx | 02:23 |
| Jake42-2 | are you here? | 02:23 |
| Jake42-2 | Stskeeps? | 02:23 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: bzr branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~aflegg/m-r/hildon-application-manager - untested on a device. If running as root, make sure root is in the 'users' group, or it won't work with the sudoers lines. | 02:24 |
| wazd | fireun: it's too hard to measure humidity and temperature in PMP/PDA/whatever | 02:24 |
| wazd | fireun: cause it's overloaded with hardware and it all produces heat | 02:25 |
| fireun | bah, too hard | 02:26 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: would Mer be compatible with Ubuntu_arm software?) Cause I've read today some crazy number of already ported apps :) | 02:27 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: it *is* Ubuntu ARM | 02:29 |
| Jake42-2 | does anyone knows who are the default repos | 02:29 |
| Jake42-2 | of maemo? | 02:29 |
| wazd | Jaffa: oh, awesome :) Then it's doomed to be superstar OS :) | 02:30 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I think many would like to have both desktop and mobile experience in their pockets | 02:31 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'm off to bed. Any testing of HAM in a Mer device (or !chroot) would be appreciated. I'm not /entirely/ sure that installing actually works, but this could be a side-effect of the chroot or running as root or ... | 02:33 |
| Jaffa | Actually, I was also having a maemo-launcher issue. Does that work in Mer? | 02:34 |
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| skibur | anybody have debian running at the moment? | 02:36 |
| skibur | like Desktop? | 02:37 |
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| pupnik_ | what do you need skibur | 02:45 |
| * Jaffa commits r9 of his branch which avoids maemo-launcher altogether | 02:45 | |
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| skibur | well, I just wanted to know many GBs debian needed for a fresh install. | 02:46 |
| pupnik_ | wow Jaffa, that's the official version? | 02:47 |
| pupnik_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed well written. | 02:49 |
| * benson chugs a strong iced coffee... time for Mer-hacking! | 02:51 | |
| benson | Any Mer folks on? | 02:51 |
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| Jaffa | benson: johnx & Stskeeps were awake half an hour ago | 02:52 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: It's the App Manager from Diablo(ish), plus the patches I did for #3103 and #2710 (grid view of categories & no legalese disclaimers) | 02:53 |
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| pupnik_ | i like the ideas behind mer! | 02:55 |
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| benson | FireFox: you know if on-device building is officially supported? | 02:56 |
| benson | (In Mer, that is) | 02:57 |
| FireFox | do you mean gcc?, or dpkg-dev, or what? | 02:57 |
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| benson | Well, I've built some packages with dpkg-buildpackage on-device. | 02:58 |
| FireFox | shure, it shuld be supported :) | 02:58 |
| benson | But I wonder if I can submit a tree that works that way to the autobuilder for the Mer repo, or if that still needs to go through scratchbox. | 02:58 |
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| FireFox | i'm quite not shure (i don't mess around with the repo too much, i'm just in charge of merinstaller ;) ) | 03:01 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Doh! I've just worked out why I can't install anything in my chroot: a call to libconic to ensure a n/w connection is up | 03:01 |
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| Jaffa | Yay! Hildon Application Manager is installing packages and generally working pretty fantastically in my chroot | 03:23 |
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| FireFox | jaffa: woo | 03:28 |
| Jaffa | http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/mer-ham-02.png - shows a new package what was installed :-) | 03:28 |
| FireFox | cool :) | 03:29 |
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| * FireFox discovers a hack to unmask packages in gentoo on his N800 so he can finally start installing non base-system software :) | 03:47 | |
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| luke-jr | FireFox: uh, a hack? why not just.. you know, use the standard procedure? | 04:35 |
| luke-jr | and are you actually running Gentoo on your N800? | 04:35 |
| benson | I think he's chrooting, not actually booting Gentoo yet. | 04:39 |
| FireFox | luke-jr: because packages.mask won't let me install the software i want because of a fuew minor bugs | 04:41 |
| FireFox | (it won't let me install testing software) | 04:41 |
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| pupnik | crazy question, has anyone gotten usb-ethernet going here? | 04:45 |
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| pupnik | with two ethernet ports, the 770 could be a router | 04:45 |
| pupnik | and a fairly deluxe one at that, with some nice simple user gui | 04:46 |
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| pupnik | i guess you'd probably just expose the web interface on the screen | 04:47 |
| pupnik | then i could run my irssi sessions on the 770 with screen | 04:47 |
| benson | By usb-ethernet, you mean a dongle and host-mode, or networking over USB client? | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | b-man: packages.mask? | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | b-man: RTFM | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | /etc/portage/package.{keywords,unmask}/ | 04:49 |
| b-man | thanks, i'll try that | 04:49 |
| benson | pupnik: if you meant host-mode + dongle, I've done that on an N800. | 04:54 |
| benson | 770, of course, means power injection too. | 04:55 |
| pupnik | dongle | 04:55 |
| pupnik | cool. did you have to build your own kernel benson ? | 04:55 |
| benson | But I was kinda thinking of a similar role for my N800, after I get an RX-51. | 04:55 |
| benson | Nope. | 04:55 |
| * benson hunts the link. | 04:56 | |
| pupnik | so you had ethernet running into the tablet? | 04:56 |
| benson | Yep. http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Wired_Networking_using_USB_host_mode_and_OS_2008 | 04:57 |
| benson | Kernel modules and hotplug scripts all compiled. | 04:57 |
| benson | And with the USB100M and N800, no external power's needed; the N800 can supply enough, so it's just USB cable -> dongle -> CAT5 | 04:58 |
| pupnik | neat | 04:59 |
| pupnik | so 2x ethernet or do you go over wlan, or ethernet-over-usb? | 04:59 |
| benson | Haven't actually used it for routing, just to connect on a wired network. | 05:00 |
| benson | Have thought about rigging N800+phone = wired uplink for laptop. | 05:01 |
| benson | But I don't use my old laptop (the one with no wifi) in ages. | 05:01 |
| benson | So never really did it. | 05:01 |
| * benson smacks forehead. | 05:03 | |
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| benson | So I'm currently downloading a Debian installer with my N800 onto my old laptop's harddrive. | 05:03 |
| benson | And the download's taking forever. | 05:03 |
| benson | Then I realize I'm on my phone uplink (EDGE), not WiFi. | 05:04 |
| benson | At that moment, the novice was greatly enlightened. | 05:04 |
| benson | XD | 05:04 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 05:06 |
| pupnik | hjehe | 05:06 |
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| * FireFox is frustrated when he trys to run sudo but gets a "cannot acsess /etc/sudoers: permission denied" error in gentoo | 05:25 | |
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| FireFox | hello, TheFatal | 05:26 |
| TheFatal | hello | 05:26 |
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| Stskeeps | fuck exam mornings #|/% | 08:02 |
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| benson | Stskeeps: Good luck! | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | ta. HCI exam | 08:13 |
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| pohobbit | browser engine chooser is great, some pages work with webkit some with microb | 09:11 |
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| Macer | holy shit this goddamn episode of boston legal had my dying laughing | 09:23 |
| Macer | my/me | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | you are watching marathon boston legal? | 09:24 |
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| Macer | yah | 09:26 |
| Macer | haha.. i'm on season 3 | 09:26 |
| Macer | they had a case against homeland security | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, someone's really set out to piss me | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | off | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | - there's a richard stallman poster just across from my office | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's kinda like a silver cross against a vampire | 09:38 |
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| johnx | eh? | 09:52 |
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| johnx | what's up Stskeeps? | 10:00 |
| RST38h | EHLO all | 10:03 |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 10:05 |
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| solmumaha | morning | 10:07 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:25 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning Jaffa | 10:26 |
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| * johnx heads off to work | 10:27 | |
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| Pavlz | hello | 10:47 |
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| Pavlz | i got one good news and one bad | 10:47 |
| Pavlz | the good news is http://www.nokia.com/imaginemaemo | 10:47 |
| Pavlz | the bad news is that the nokia loop and does not start | 10:48 |
| Pavlz | i see only to the boot the image Nokia | 10:49 |
| Pavlz | there is one bad news | 10:49 |
| Pavlz | the socket of mmc espulse the mmc | 10:49 |
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| Pavlz | i got the nokia 770 | 10:49 |
| Pavlz | what can i do to solve the problem ? | 10:50 |
| Pavlz | the computer does not see the pda nokia 770 | 10:53 |
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| Pavlz | the nokia 770 goes in loop | 10:54 |
| Pavlz | without to stop | 10:55 |
| Pavlz | i see only the image nokia | 10:55 |
| slonopotamus | is THUMB mode worth using? | 10:55 |
| Pavlz | how to reset all ? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: just that i'm not a friend of stallman :) | 10:59 |
| RST38h | slono: depends | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: What is that thing between you and Stallman? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, not a fan of stallman and gnubies :> | 10:59 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, tell me then it does :) | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Does he come up in your dreams? Does he carry a kettle and a plastic bag with tea like he is said to do? | 11:00 |
| slonopotamus | s/then/when | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | and someone put up a stallman poster across from my office :> | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: they are funny little maniacs, what is there not to like? =) | 11:00 |
| * slonopotamus looks around for infobot | 11:00 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Well, you know what to do | 11:01 |
| RST38h | DESECRATE! | 11:01 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: don't you like bearded gnomes? | 11:01 |
| slonopotamus | why on earth this xchat doesn't insert user login in message fob on left click on user :( | 11:01 |
| Pavlz | if you want to contact richard matthew stallman write to rms@gnu.org | 11:01 |
| * aquatix was about to ask Stallman about vim when he last saw him, but thought better of it | 11:01 | |
| aquatix | Pavlz: :) | 11:02 |
| RST38h | slono: unless you are executing code from a very slow memory (especially over 16bit bus) you will not see much advantage from thumb | 11:02 |
| slonopotamus | ahha. n8x0s should even support thumb-2 | 11:02 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, won't it decrease memory usage? | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | eh, no, that's armv7 i guess | 11:04 |
| slonopotamus | less code need to be read from mmc -> faster cold start? | 11:04 |
| slonopotamus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb-2 | 11:04 |
| slonopotamus | Thumb-2 technology made its debut in the ARM1156 core | 11:04 |
| RST38h | slono: it will, a bit | 11:04 |
| * Stskeeps passed his HCI exam btw :) | 11:04 | |
| Pavlz | for stallman vi means : VI, VI, VI that in Roman characters is associated with the devil | 11:04 |
| RST38h | human computer interface? | 11:04 |
| Pavlz | so rms uses GNU/EMACS | 11:05 |
| Pavlz | i know him | 11:05 |
| AStorm | lcuk, RST38h, whee, hwr now works with decent speed and excellent quality of single letter detection | 11:05 |
| RST38h | AStorm: ! :) | 11:05 |
| AStorm | now, I need to add subitization and dictionary | 11:05 |
| AStorm | RST38h: still in Python :> | 11:06 |
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| AStorm | turned out I had a bug in the hash function which pushed a lot of features to slot 0 | 11:06 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:06 |
| * RST38h was once shown a letter from RMS to the MIT mailing lists where RMS advocated against license plates on cars because "this is how government takes your freedom away by tracking you" | 11:06 | |
| RST38h | AStorm: imagine the speed in C! =) | 11:07 |
| AStorm | yes, should be very fast | 11:07 |
| AStorm | the about only problem with this classifier is that it learns fairly slowly as opposed to certain others | 11:08 |
| RST38h | The guy may not be a commie, but he has got all the rethorical devices of a ranking party member, scary | 11:08 |
| AStorm | learns faster than a neural net for sure :P | 11:08 |
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| AStorm | the classifier is not as generalizing than certain others - both good and bad :> | 11:13 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Is a new input method coming? | 11:13 |
| AStorm | oh, not until I flesh out all the algorithms | 11:13 |
| AStorm | then, yes | 11:13 |
| AStorm | UI work is to be done last | 11:14 |
| AStorm | I find it most fun that if it makes a mistake, it's really between similar letters | 11:15 |
| AStorm | it almost never gives you "garbage" | 11:15 |
| AStorm | so, it mistook O, Q and 0 at first (slashed 0) | 11:17 |
| AStorm | but finally learned the differences | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw Jaffa's HAM? | 11:25 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at beagleboard | 11:27 | |
| Pavlz | i tried to flash i receive this message : permission denied | 11:28 |
| Pavlz | the sequence is : root@obelix:~/Desktop# ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.45-1_PR_P5_MRO_ARM.bin -f -R | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | chmod +x iit | 11:32 |
| Pavlz | root@obelix:~/Desktop# chmod +x iit | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | chmod +x flasher-2.0 | 11:34 |
| Pavlz | impossible to access to iit no such file or directory | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | do the chmod +x flasher-2.0 instead | 11:35 |
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| Pavlz | i did chmod +x flasher-2.0 | 11:41 |
| Pavlz | and goes well | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | good | 11:42 |
| Pavlz | but when i do ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.45-1_PR_P5_MRO_ARM.bin -f -R | 11:42 |
| Pavlz | nothing happen | 11:42 |
| Pavlz | i got the nokia in contiunuos loop | 11:44 |
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| Pavlz | how to solve the problem ? | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Pavlz: turn off your 770 by battery | 11:50 |
| wazd | hello everybody :) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | johnx: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/mer-ham-03.png <- showing the grid view patch is installed, and the "only show defined categories" patch when looking at maemo.org Extras | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | s/johnx/Ststkeeps | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | s/johnx/Stskeeps | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i suspect if red pill was enabled it would crash | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | as in, showing -all- the ubuntu packages :P | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | root@obelix:~/Desktop# ./flasher-2.0 -l SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.45-1_PR_P5_MRO_ARM.bin | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | flasher v0.8.1 (May 30 2006) | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | USB device found found at bus 002, device address 073 | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | Found device SU-18, hardware revision 1802 | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | NOLO version 0.9.14 | 11:51 |
| Pavlz | Version of 'sw-release': SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0 | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Pavlz: follow the instructions on the page | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: but it is really a challenge for Mer - the huge amount of software :P | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | and if we should only show user/ or how we note that applications are 'hildon friendly' | 11:53 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'd still only show 'user/' for now, TBH. | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, for now | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | maybe "if you would like to explore the full ubuntu repository, install synaptic" ;) | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, and there can be a meta-package for that. | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | or giving red pill a purpose | 11:56 |
| * Jaffa wonders about an auto-Hildonising LD_PRELOAD hack for Gtk | 11:56 | |
| Jaffa | auto-menu & window hildonising, anyway. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder why they didn't do auto hildonising really | 11:57 |
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| * Jaffa really thinks they should have, but Nokia didn't want to maintain a fork. | 11:57 | |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it would be a specialization of GtkWindow | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | Totally defeats the point of OO though. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | and such | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: Have you filed that alignment bug in Sapwood? | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | There's an argument that since you have to rethink the UI to properly port something to a finger-friendly mobile device, new widgets aren't a problem. I like having the same API, and doing as much automatically, though | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no, not yet - had to pass an exam this morning | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Sts: I will file it in a moment, with the other bugs | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: alright | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Sts: Could you give me the URL to that file again? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'll grab you the "real" sapwood, sec | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/sapwood/engine/sapwood-pixmap.c? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | same file really | 12:00 |
| RST38h | thanks | 12:00 |
| RST38h | one think I worry about is that they will claim it does not occur in Diablo | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | well it does but the OS fixes it up, doesn't it? | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | er, the processor | 12:00 |
| AStorm | Jaffa: everybody likes that | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, sapwood is going to exist in Fremantle too, so :P | 12:01 |
| AStorm | but in GTK, with all the subclassing, it might be hard to do correctly | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: poke me with the bug # when reported and i'll add it to our tracking of mer-related bugs | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 12:02 |
| johnx|zaurus | hey | 12:02 |
| johnx|zaurus | slow day at work :/ | 12:02 |
| Pavlz | it is impossible to flash | 12:03 |
| Pavlz | the nokia 770 continue to go in loop | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: what flash error do you get? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | (put it on http://rafb.net/paste ) | 12:03 |
| Pavlz | no error is impossible | 12:04 |
| Pavlz | any time i see only the first boot of the image nokia | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: ok. turn off your tablet, take out the battery. | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | then it does the same cicle of boot | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | yes | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | i did many times it | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | what to do ? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | send it for repairs if it's still under warranty? | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | i must remove the battery | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | there's always the chance it's dead | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | no | 12:05 |
| Pavlz | it is not in warranty | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | well then | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: did you use clone-to-SD before? | 12:06 |
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| Pavlz | no | 12:06 |
| Pavlz | instable os | 12:06 |
| Pavlz | the yesterday the battery goes down | 12:07 |
| Pavlz | and when i put in charge where impossible to access | 12:07 |
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| Pavlz | i always used itas own mmc | 12:08 |
| Pavlz | its own mmc | 12:08 |
| Pavlz | of 64 mb | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: you might be running into simply not having sufficinet battery power to boot | 12:08 |
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| Pavlz | it is charging now | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | good | 12:09 |
| Pavlz | but i can't say how much is charge | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | let it charge fully | 12:09 |
| Pavlz | bewcause any time it did the same loop | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4023 | 12:10 |
| Pavlz | if i don't stop the loop the battery never charge | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: thanks | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | Pavlz: take out the battery and leave it outside the 770 for 24 hours | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Pavlz: In the freezer. | 12:11 |
| RST38h | ;) | 12:11 |
| Pavlz | in the freezer ? for what ? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: elaboration - it doesn't crash, it corrupts silently | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | if the OS ignores the traps, it does it at least | 12:13 |
| AStorm | hey | 12:14 |
| AStorm | could someone quickly build me a package of snakeoil for maemo? (it's a python, C, package) | 12:14 |
| AStorm | pkgcore.org | 12:14 |
| Pavlz | how to enable R and D mode ? | 12:16 |
| AStorm | you don't need r&d mode | 12:17 |
| Pavlz | i need | 12:17 |
| AStorm | it only enables serial port/jtag I think | 12:17 |
| AStorm | you don't - you probably want root access... | 12:17 |
| AStorm | ~root | 12:17 |
| AStorm | hmm | 12:17 |
| AStorm | !root | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | no infobot | 12:17 |
| AStorm | meh | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | very annoying | 12:17 |
| Pavlz | until to see nokia | 12:17 |
| Pavlz | i can see what happen on the lcd | 12:17 |
| AStorm | no, you can't | 12:18 |
| AStorm | R&D mode doesn't enable that | 12:18 |
| Pavlz | is possible | 12:18 |
| AStorm | it enables the nice version display (of kernel, initfs) | 12:18 |
| AStorm | nothing really important | 12:18 |
| AStorm | not the kernel boot log | 12:18 |
| Pavlz | ok, but it is just a big step | 12:18 |
| AStorm | for that, you need a specially built kernel (with automatic screen updates) | 12:18 |
| RST38h | A new Modest bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4024 | 12:19 |
| AStorm | or a tool to switch it into auto mode | 12:19 |
| AStorm | there was one | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Please, comment&vote | 12:19 |
| AStorm | damn | 12:20 |
| AStorm | I cannot confirm the bug | 12:20 |
| AStorm | actually, can't set the bug state to NEW | 12:20 |
| AStorm | meh@nokia's bugzilla | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: were you on jaiku btw? | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | Sts: What is your email address? | 12:37 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone has something to read about hildon future in fremantle? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: carsten.munk@gmail.com or cvm@cs.au.dk, why? | 12:37 |
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| Pavlz | where to buy the jtag cable ? | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Nokia wants details on the bug | 12:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, more details to be expected with the beta SDK. | 12:42 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, and what do we know now? | 12:43 |
| RST38h | slono: hildon not going anywhere for now | 12:43 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: A few new widgets etc. | 12:43 |
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| X-Fade | Kinetic scrolling in lists for example. Hildon is here to stay (for Fremantle at least). | 12:44 |
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| slonopotamus | i see. at least it won't go. | 12:45 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Ubuntu seems to be reconsidering Hildon in favor of Qt | 12:45 |
| Pavlz | i think that it need of os 2006 to be flashed the first time | 12:45 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: so I guess we should expect more people with these questions =) | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: If they want to stay with GTK, they don't have too much other options. | 12:45 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/273605 | 12:46 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: The thing is, they do not want to stay with GTK when Qt is available on LGPL basis | 12:47 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Show me any sane person willingly developing for GTK | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Hilton" | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry, I can't take these articles seriously when they change the spelling every paragraph. | 12:48 |
| inz | RST, am I sane? | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is also a C vs C++ discussion. | 12:48 |
| RST38h | General: They misspelt TWICE | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, what percentage of that page do you think is actual content? | 12:49 |
| RST38h | inz: Dunno! | 12:49 |
| * RST38h moves away from inz just in case =) | 12:49 | |
| Pavlz | it needed of SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | And I thought that Intel dropped Hildon? | 12:50 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: True. But Glib/GTK has gone to such lengths with its object-model-but-not-evil-C++ architecture, that it is really easier to just use C++ now | 12:50 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Intel dropped Ubuntu/Debian for some reason | 12:50 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Moblin2 is based on RedHat, with the official reason being "we like wider availability of rpm better" | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: So this article has all the signs of being clueless? :) | 12:51 |
| Pavlz | i flashed it | 12:51 |
| Pavlz | and now it works fine | 12:51 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, the part about ubuntu reconsidering Hildon is true | 12:52 |
| Pavlz | :-) | 12:52 |
| suihkulokki | clueless speculation on the internet? you must be joking | 12:52 |
| Pavlz | were necessary the old os 2006 | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | And about that article. 4 columns and only one is content? | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | Nice design :D | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, at least they didn't split it onto multiple pages. | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | Heh, yeah.. | 12:53 |
| Pavlz | well | 12:53 |
| Pavlz | i turned back to the original firmware | 12:53 |
| Pavlz | now i am very happy | 12:54 |
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| RST38h | General,X-Fade: something is telling me the upcoming maemo redesign won't be different, column-wise =( | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well at least it won't be 4 columns with only one content ;) | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But you are invited to the meeting this afternoon to learn more/ discuss alternatives. | 13:06 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No point, have been at previous meetings | 13:06 |
| RST38h | What is to be, will be. | 13:07 |
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| wazd | RST38h: moo, is there any other emu, waiting for an icon?) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | btw, -what- 770 specific sapwood version? :P | 13:08 |
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| RST38h | wazd: No, will have to write one =) | 13:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: There is some work going on the SNES emulator, but I do not even have the CPU emulation yet | 13:09 |
| lcuk | i once tried emulating a woman but could not get the function to make the nose look right | 13:10 |
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| wazd | RST38h: whoa, SNES is awesome :) | 13:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Lemme guess, you did it with liqsketcher? =) | 13:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, well, more than a few people aren't satisfied with the fixed-width setup. | 13:17 |
| lcuk | no RST38h it was before digital, i was coding in lego | 13:21 |
| Pavlz | hello | 13:21 |
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| Pavlz | when i launched ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f –enable-rd-mode -R | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why R&D mode? | 13:23 |
| Pavlz | all went well, but at the start i don't see the shell on the image nokia | 13:23 |
| Pavlz | why like me | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4023#c6 | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | does this confirm your hypothesis? | 13:23 |
| * lcuk smiles cos his multitouch idea gets more and more feasible the more i think about it | 13:23 | |
| Pavlz | so when i installed xterm and i launched it | 13:23 |
| Pavlz | says: Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 13:24 |
| Pavlz | how to launch the R"D at the boot ? | 13:24 |
| AStorm | Pavlz, meh | 13:25 |
| AStorm | you don't have to do that to break it | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | Pavlz: That is not what R&D mode does. | 13:25 |
| AStorm | it usually enables root access and serial port | 13:26 |
| AStorm | root you can get in many other ways | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Tell us more ;) | 13:26 |
| Pavlz | i want the shell on the image nokia | 13:26 |
| Pavlz | i hate that image | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Pavlz: Just open the terminal and type sudo gainroot ? | 13:26 |
| Pavlz | i did it | 13:26 |
| AStorm | Pavlz, you do that with he flasher | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | So? Then you should have root? | 13:27 |
| Pavlz | yes | 13:27 |
| AStorm | it has an option to enable that | 13:27 |
| lcuk | x-fade :) i just did - in #liqbase, ive found the PERFECT use case for the multitouch which is just a really elegent function :) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | you will find out soon | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Aw, not another window :) | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | My irssi is getting cluttered aready.. | 13:28 |
| lcuk | heh, i ramble more in #liqbase about my tech ideas and progress :P | 13:28 |
| Pavlz | now i must to digit ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f –enable-rd-mode -R | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: We demand blog posts :) | 13:28 |
| lcuk | x-fade not until im ready :) | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | at the moment things are gelling together nicely but theres some pieces not slotted in yet | 13:29 |
| * lcuk just wishes he could work on it for more of the time | 13:29 | |
| lcuk | anyway, back to vb | 13:30 |
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| ppires | hi all. i'm looking for a WiMAX enabled device and I've heard about N810 WiMAX Edition. I'm wondering how WiMAX is supported and managed in this device. Also would like to know if any access to drivers exist. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ppires: beware that wimax edition has been EOLed.. and was only out in US i think | 13:34 |
| ppires | yes i know that. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | drivers, hmm | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i can't remember the name but i -think- the wimax driver was OSS | 13:36 |
| ppires | that would be lovely | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't mean you can calibrate it for EU bands though | 13:36 |
| Pavlz | the nokia crashed | 13:37 |
| Pavlz | why the battery were low | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | unless you know how to :P | 13:37 |
| ppires | actually i'm not interested in using commercial networks, but to be able to do handovers between wifi and wimax. n810 would be perfect for that | 13:37 |
| Pavlz | but it turned back immediately on | 13:37 |
| ppires | i have wimax mobile testbed available | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:37 |
| Pavlz | i must to install xchat | 13:37 |
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| ppires | Stskeeps: can you point me to any maemo related articles on how to hack the wimax connection? | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | ppires: i must honestly admit i am not knowledge about N810W's at all, as i don't have one and have no access to it through work :P | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ppires, there are none. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's maybe 6 or 7 people who actually own the thing. | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | ppires: driver is called pc2400m | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, I know quite a few more ;) | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | ppires: and it looks OSS | 13:49 |
| suihkulokki | ppires: you are better of asking from maemo-devel mailing list | 13:50 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I am on jaiku (jaffa2) | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for another community highlights. :\ | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: a bunch of stuff for you in messages, if merbuilder doesn't respond to you, it's cos of your upper/lowercase username :P | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | messages as in /msg on irc :P | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | This connection keeps dropping SSH connections. | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | as in you didn't get it, or you have issues with the ssh upload :) | 13:54 |
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| Jaffa | No, got 'em, my SSH connections keep disconnecting, though | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ftp can be arranged too for the first part | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a temporary thing until we have gotten things so stable that we can move them to maemo.org :P | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | (if they still want us ;) | 13:57 |
| * Jaffa tries going in on port 443, rather than 22 to see if it's n/w related (nope: it's not) | 13:57 | |
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| ppires | Stskeeps, GeneralAntilles suihkulokki tks a lot :-) | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Mer: Bugzilla, wazd's mockups, ... ? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: are you hinting on the wide range of mer spam? ;) | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, trying to compile a highlights article. | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah | 14:01 |
| Pavlz | where i can find xchat for nokia 770 ? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 0.6 | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | definately 0.6 | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, that too. | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | and hinting at having a VDI you can download and use on your own PC :P | 14:02 |
| * Stskeeps is joyful over having proper 770 soon | 14:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | +support | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't think of anything not Mer-related, though. | 14:04 |
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| * lcuk wonders how many pages his blog post will need to be | 14:06 | |
| lcuk | does the internet ever run out of ink? | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: Nitdroid.. Samba support | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nitdroid is stupid | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Samba I could care less about. :P | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: it's not just what /you/ care about, of course ;-) | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pfft. :P | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well consider non-GeneralAntilles-interesting material when somebody else starts writing them. | 14:09 |
| Pavlz | where i can find xchat for nokia 770 ? | 14:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Besides, I can't very well write intelligently about something I don't care about. :P | 14:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Got an error on /import-new--ignore or is it an error (changelog says 'jaunty') | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's fine, just ignore it | 14:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, file some bugs so your new product doesn't look so lame. https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?&product=Mer | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | we will :P | 14:14 |
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| Pavlz | i found xchat for nokia 770 | 14:15 |
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| m0zzie | any other developers awake? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | er, yes | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | but for what purpose | 14:16 |
| m0zzie | specifically i'm after anyone who has worked on stlc45xx :] | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: HAM in queue :-) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: woo | 14:17 |
| m0zzie | i'm a developer too, but i don't currently have a nokia tablet.. just contemplating purchasing one | 14:17 |
| * Jaffa goes to get some fish & chips | 14:17 | |
| Stskeeps | m0zzie: stlc45xx-devel is a good place | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't think anyone in here fiddled on it | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | we are much interested in the results, especially 770 support too :P | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | ( https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/stlc45xx-devel ) | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i can hear it building behind me :> | 14:18 |
| m0zzie | just subscribed | 14:18 |
| m0zzie | cheers Stskeeps | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | m0zzie: so where lies your interest in stlc? | 14:19 |
| m0zzie | well, as i said, i'm a developer.. but i'd like a project other than my actual work, as a hobby | 14:19 |
| m0zzie | to work on sometimes :) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:20 |
| m0zzie | i'm looking at buying an n810 as a little toy | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of projects on the tablets really | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | watch out though, they're addictive :) | 14:20 |
| m0zzie | that's a good thing | 14:20 |
| m0zzie | although my girlfriend would disagree | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | my gf thinks mine is cool :P | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | if i get a n900, she'll inherit my n800 :P | 14:21 |
| m0zzie | i gave her my old laptop for christmas though, so that keeps her busy and not complaining when i'm sitting here coding some nights | 14:21 |
| m0zzie | ohh.. n900 is on its way? | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, probably summer, but we don't know | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | n810 is still perfectly usable | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | and there's a OSS wifi driver on the rx-51, so | 14:22 |
| m0zzie | yeah i think i'd still go for the n810.. don't want to dish out too much money for a new project just yet | 14:23 |
| m0zzie | my main interest in the stlc45xx driver is to patch it to support packet injection | 14:23 |
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| m0zzie | i do a fair bit of pentesting for work colleagues, family and friends etc | 14:24 |
| AndrewFBlack | Morning | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | morning AndrewFBlack | 14:24 |
| m0zzie | so my ultimate goal would be to get that going, and then build a small toolset/package | 14:24 |
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| m0zzie | Stskeeps: i've subscribed to the list, although do any of the stlc45xx devs hang around here often? | 14:31 |
| RST38h | Cellular-infrastructure manufacturer Ericsson will lay off 5,000 in a bid to cut costs | 14:32 |
| RST38h | (that it not handsets, mind you) | 14:32 |
| Pavlz | xchat for nokia 770 os 2006 is on http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/x/xchat/ | 14:33 |
| Pavlz | the version is xchat_2.6.4-2_armel.deb | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | m0zzie: i'm not sure, but i don't think so | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | m0zzie, no. | 14:36 |
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| johnx|z | m00f | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | f00m | 14:37 |
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| inz | Pavlz, skyhusker's version was better than mine, but it seems to be no longer available :( | 14:38 |
| inz | Hmm, maybe the version from diablo extras could be rebuilt for mistral... | 14:40 |
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| Myrtti | hello dearies | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Myrtti | 14:41 |
| inz | Myrtti, welcome back!-) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | thought you left irc :P | 14:41 |
| Myrtti | oh no... the last time I think I dropped the channel it was because irssi segfaulted | 14:41 |
| Myrtti | was trying to move a window from a split window to another... | 14:42 |
| inz | Grr, no sources for xchat in extras | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz, er? | 14:43 |
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| inz | General, I see no xchat in: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/x/ | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it is. | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks like a bug. | 14:43 |
| johnx|z | odd | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: we'll soon be bringing ubuntu & Mer to your 770, btw :) | 14:43 |
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| johnx|z | it's not in non-free is it? | 14:44 |
| Myrtti | WHEE! excellent | 14:44 |
| inz | johnx, the binaries are in free | 14:44 |
| johnx|z | huh | 14:44 |
| johnx|z | no idea then | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | that ubuntu+mer addresses a lot of our structural/community difficulties, IMO | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz, well, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/x/xchat/ | 14:44 |
| inz | GA, yeah, just noticed | 14:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, Unicomp shipped my keyboard to the billing address. <_< | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik_: definately gives us strength.. | 14:47 |
| * johnx|z revies ubuntu h-d patches, figures out what he wants | 14:47 | |
| pupnik_ | and keep the name 'mer' i hate the name 'ubuntu' | 14:48 |
| johnx|z | pupnik_: agreed :) also it really isn't exactly ubuntu... | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, we're far more reckless | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Stskeeps' sig. | 14:49 | |
| johnx|z | well, we need a little recklessness I think | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm? | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Karma whore. | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse than me. :P | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, it's being a karma whore but it is also a way for me to evaluate if i'm doing things right as i have trouble reading that occasionally :) | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. :P | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | if i didn't get thanked for the work done, or people showing they appreciate it, i get bored :) | 14:51 |
| johnx|z | also makes sure we can get him sent to the summit to slap some noia reps with a frzeon trout | 14:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hope we have more cash to bring in non-EU people. :\ | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx|z: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4023 <- sapwood bug btw | 14:52 |
| johnx|z | yup, was reading earlier | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:53 |
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| johnx|z | I think I'll have to leave applying the fix to someone else O_o | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | i bet it would do some small performance enhancement if it didn't have to do a alignment every single time it requests a pixbuf :P | 14:53 |
| * Myrtti whistles innocently | 14:54 | |
| johnx|z | heh. that'd be a nice selling point | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx|z: eero came up with that one | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx|z: i just look forward not having to deal with the 770 as a special case :) | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | or the zaurus for that sake | 14:56 |
| johnx|z | yup, onlu special thing about it will be 64MB RAM | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but that's besides the point | 14:56 |
| johnx|z | anyways, looks i have nothing to do here at work, so i'll head home | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | hiya Myrtti, back from the uk already? | 14:59 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: nope, am currently looking from the window to some nice fields out of Warboys, Cambs :-) | 15:00 |
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| Khertan_work | Hello ! | 15:01 |
| lcuk | cool, your knitting is great by the way, i keep thinking of sierpinski's gaskets | 15:02 |
| lcuk | hiya Khertan_work | 15:02 |
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| * Myrtti loves her job | 15:02 | |
| Myrtti | excellent to be able to work from anywhere in the world | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i would agree, but im stuck behind a desk writing vb crap dreaming of a better life :) | 15:03 |
| * aquatix looks jealously at Myrtti | 15:03 | |
| lcuk | aquatix, dont believe the hype ;) myrtti changes her mind every 5 minutes :P | 15:04 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 15:04 |
| Myrtti | the work is nice - sometimes the people are disappointing though | 15:04 |
| inz | Myrtti, and who do you mean by "people", me? | 15:05 |
| Myrtti | inz: I haven't done a thing with you :-) | 15:05 |
| inz | Myrtti, oh, right, nevermind then | 15:05 |
| Khertan_work | do you know existance of any gtk that permit to edit html in a wysiwyg way like fckeditor in java ? | 15:05 |
| Khertan_work | javascript | 15:06 |
| inz | Khertan, some versions of gtkhtml do, but they produce ugly html | 15:06 |
| lcuk | khertan, doesnt the "notes" app let you do basic html | 15:06 |
| Khertan_work | notes ? | 15:06 |
| Khertan_work | which one mnotes ? | 15:06 |
| Khertan_work | :) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | no, the default one | 15:06 |
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| Khertan_work | some version of gtkhtml ... hum i ll look | 15:07 |
| Myrtti | inz: besides I suspect you do know how a simple "for file in *.foo;do bar --baz ${file} > ${file}.zyzzy;done" works :-) | 15:07 |
| inz | Myrtti, sure I do, it would break whenever there is a space in *.foo | 15:08 |
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| Myrtti | inz: there isn't :-) | 15:08 |
| inz | Myrtti, is there a spec that says so? | 15:08 |
| aquatix | pft, spaces in file names... | 15:08 |
| Myrtti | inz: somewhere in an app that generates the *.foo's in the first place | 15:08 |
| * lcuk knows nothing of this strange cryptic language you utter | 15:09 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: that's `code' | 15:09 |
| lcuk | ancient command line incantations are the work of the devil! | 15:09 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 15:09 |
| inz | Khertan, the widget used by osso-notes is also public, check wpeditor in repository.maemo.org | 15:09 |
| lcuk | no aquatix, its the mark of the beast | 15:09 |
| inz | Khertan, whichever is worse, I know not | 15:09 |
| * aquatix is thinking what script he can write in 666 lines | 15:09 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk, aquatix: don't mock bash. It's a nice thing. | 15:10 |
| inz | Khertan, probably both will cause you frustration beyond your wildest believes | 15:10 |
| Khertan_work | What are your plans for GNOME 2.28? | 15:10 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: i love it | 15:10 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, im not mocking it - im deadly serious that stuff boggles my mind | 15:10 |
| Khertan_work | Evolution should move to Webkits, deprecating GtkHTML | 15:10 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: i write bash scripts for hobby even | 15:11 |
| Khertan_work | hum ... | 15:11 |
| Khertan_work | not great | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | aquatix: I write them for work. | 15:11 |
| * aquatix not yet ;) | 15:11 | |
| Myrtti | aquatix: which one of us got the worst deal, don't know | 15:11 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 15:11 |
| * aquatix is struggling with visual studio for work | 15:11 | |
| aquatix | so i have an idea about worse deals | 15:11 |
| inz | Khertan, I think webkit does not include any "editor" | 15:12 |
| Khertan_work | there isn't | 15:12 |
| Myrtti | I've done that with zero skills of MS's "development tools" ;-) | 15:12 |
| lcuk | webkit should include a html edit mode surely | 15:12 |
| inz | Oh, it does? | 15:12 |
| lcuk | its a standard expected thing, whether or not the app has wired it in | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | googling "webkit edit mode" brings back various results | 15:14 |
| inz | lcuk, it does, but most of them seemed to have some javascript mumbojumbo in them | 15:14 |
| inz | lcuk, but wk.org/projects/editing looks right | 15:15 |
| lcuk | yeah, its a big mishmash | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, which visual studio are you stressin about? | 15:15 |
| aquatix | 2005 | 15:15 |
| aquatix | want to make an mdi gui in c++ | 15:15 |
| * lcuk hates all of them equally | 15:15 | |
| inz | me too | 15:15 |
| aquatix | and somehow it decides i can't have a graphical form editor in MDI app mode | 15:15 |
| lcuk | vb6 ide was spot on :) | 15:16 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yeah, me too | 15:16 |
| aquatix | i love delphi | 15:16 |
| aquatix | that one just works | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | anyway, bbl again | 15:16 |
| aquatix | yeah, /me is afk too | 15:16 |
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| Passeli | in scratchbox, what is the quickest way to duplicate existing target (example. DIABLO_X86) | 15:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, what is the Diablodoctest? | 15:27 |
| inz | Passeli, cp -r /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/DIABLO_X86 /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/DIABLO2_X86; sed -e 's/DIABLO_X86/DIABLO2_X86/g' /scratcbox/users/$USER/targets/DIABLO_X86.config > /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/DIABLO2_X86 | 15:27 |
| inz | Passeli, or something like that | 15:27 |
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| inz | Passeli, add .config to the end | 15:28 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: *cough* | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: exactly what it looks like | 15:29 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: if you have a sandbox, you could move it there I guess, but don't do it now. The person who is doing those has very little of clue how Mediawiki works | 15:29 |
| Myrtti | and of course, this is again one of those things I could have done in PM | 15:30 |
| Myrtti | oh well | 15:30 |
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| Myrtti | time for a new pot of tea | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, well, we don't do camelCase or anything like that. :P | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: No need, this has been announced a long time ago.. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | So "Nokia documentation test" would be more appropriate. | 15:31 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: it took me a while to tell the person how to create a new page in the first place... | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, if you need any mediawiki support, feel free to ask me or point whoever my way. | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: oh, I'm quite proficient with Mediawiki :-> | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | She's not :-D | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Seems to have been fun triggering the HAM build? | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: And if you need any plugins or config changes.... | 15:33 |
| StsN801 | sec, getting off bus | 15:33 |
| * X-Fade waves :) | 15:33 | |
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| Myrtti | X-Fade: few lines in the css, later on prolly need a bot to fix the rough edges from the syntax | 15:33 |
| Myrtti | there's too much to be fixed manually | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | All the better. | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Official | 15:35 |
| Myrtti | yeah, will remember that, thanks. | 15:36 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, do not underestimate the editing abilities of a single person with an unlimited supply of cheetos and coke | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's going to be "in charge" of documentation on the wiki? | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | look at GeneralAntilles for one ;) | 15:36 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: your guess is as good as mine | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're gonna need admin and the ability to "bless" their team. | 15:36 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: "I only work here" | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: atm this is only proof of concept work | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | to show that the stuff can be imported somehow | 15:38 |
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| * Myrtti facepalms | 15:44 | |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, too long version => >160 character messages.. | 15:46 |
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| Myrtti | if someone could delete http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_diablo_getting_started, I would be most happy | 15:47 |
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| kozak|work | good evening all... | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon kozak|work | 15:47 |
| kozak|work | Stskeeps> thanks for the inputs on Mer and beagle board yday | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | np | 15:48 |
| kozak|work | Would like to work more towards it..... | 15:49 |
| lopz | hola | 15:49 |
| kozak|work | I am an absolute newbie... so pardon me if I ask some dumb questions.... | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | kozak|work: well, how much can you do with your beagle already? (i have one myself, so :P) | 15:50 |
| kozak|work | Sts> Well till now I just have android on my beagle up ... but that was starightforward stuff | 15:51 |
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| kozak|work | Sts> 1. You suggested that the way to go forward is to have mer on beagle is to get ubuntu jaunty on beagle first.... | 15:52 |
| Khertan_work | nope ... the first thing is to have beagle | 15:52 |
| baaba | erf, where do desktop applet settings actually get saved? | 15:52 |
| Khertan_work | :) | 15:52 |
| kozak|work | I ahve one :) | 15:52 |
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| Khertan_work | baaba : depends on the desktop applet | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, done. | 15:53 |
| baaba | er sorry, i mean the settings of the desktop itself | 15:53 |
| baaba | does hildon-desktop come with a bunch of built-in applets? | 15:53 |
| Khertan_work | ha :) | 15:53 |
| baaba | because i only see three entries in /etc/hildon-desktop/home.conf | 15:54 |
| Khertan_work | if i remember this is something like ~/.hildon-desktop/ | 15:54 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: ♥ | 15:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, I also upgraded your permissions. ;) | 15:54 |
| baaba | hmm, no ~/.hildon-desktop/ anywhere | 15:54 |
| Khertan_work | ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/ to be exact | 15:54 |
| baaba | ahh thanks a bunch :) | 15:55 |
| Khertan_work | i've just verify on my nit | 15:55 |
| kozak|work | sts> Jaunty is based on 2.6.28 . So I can start of with patching the beagleboard port for 2.6.27 on to 2.6.28? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | kozak|work: kernel doesn't matter that much, just that we can get a kernel package for it | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 15:57 |
| kozak|work | Sts> Ok .. I am not aware of what other changes need to be done to Jaunty to have to up on beagle. | 15:57 |
| kozak|work | ok | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | kozak|work: i think some people in #ubuntu-arm are working on that part | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | they're waiting for kernels | 15:59 |
| kozak|work | Oh ok | 16:00 |
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| Khertan_work | oh my god ... gtkhtml2 doesn't have editing ??? | 16:17 |
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| kozak|work | sts> is the #ubuntu-arm channel logged somewhere? | 16:19 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Do I need to change the version number to something shorter? (Presumably the builder errors posting to Jaiku and it aborts, or can we just not see the results?) | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, builder crashes :) i think i might have solved it now | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's a horrible horrible python script | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Cool :-) Glad I can stress test these things :-) | 16:20 |
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| Khertan_work | someone know where i can found the doc for pygtkhtml2 | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: BTW, when is the '1:' prefix required on the version numbers? | 16:22 |
| Khertan_work | i ve try to read the ruby one .... but 403 : http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/hiki.cgi?Gtk::HtmlView | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: whenever | 16:22 |
| Khertan_work | an other i know containing the pydocs return a 502 : https://www.astro.rug.nl/efidad/gtkhtml2.html | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it's when you have a version you need to override but you can't do it with version .. or something | 16:23 |
| persia | kozak|work, It's not logged anywhere. I think someone opened a ticket to get it logged, but it's yet undone. | 16:23 |
| kozak|work | thanks persia | 16:24 |
| persia | One uses an epoch (1:) when one needs to use a version number that is lower than the version currently in the repository. For example, if foo 3.9 was merged into bar 1.2, and one uploaded a bar 1.2 package providing foo (at version 1.2), nobody would be upgraded, so one uploads bar 1:1.2 to force the upgrade. Use sparingly, with caution, and only when you *really* must. | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | persia: ta for that info :) | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: also, either ports.ubuntu.com is being unstable or my uni connection | 16:28 |
| * johnx returns home, eats a sammich | 16:29 | |
| Khertan_work | hum ... someone have already use pygtkhtml2 module ? | 16:31 |
| * johnx reads 4023 | 16:32 | |
| johnx | well...that's not exactly the result I was hoping for... | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 16:33 |
| Khertan_work | nope ... surely the wrong question | 16:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I was hoping they'd own up immediately and push out a patch | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we'll see | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | things don't go that fast | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | and eero putting it as performance is a good thing | 16:35 |
| Khertan_work | pygtkhtml return 9 result in google ... | 16:35 |
| johnx | yeah, I suppose so | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i think it's fairly trivial to fix really | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a grab at it after watching BSG :P | 16:36 |
| johnx | yeah, no rush. :) finals done now? | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | one paper left but too sleepy to finish it right now | 16:38 |
| Khertan_work | stskeeps: zode 11 ? | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan_work: hmm? | 16:38 |
| wazd | back | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_work: ah, yes | 16:39 |
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| Khertan_work | stskeeps, i'm a real fan of bsg | 16:39 |
| Khertan_work | arg ! also on gnome svn doc is blank ! | 16:40 |
| Khertan_work | http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtkhtml2/trunk/docs/ | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_work: maybe it's generated docs | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | oh ffs | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | 214b/s lag on ports.ubuntu.com is back | 16:41 |
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| johnx | heh, you'd be better off dialing into it if you could | 16:42 |
| Khertan_work | stskeeps : i can't found any generated doc ... or other things | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: is your speed OK towards it? | 16:44 |
| Khertan_work | from what i see there is no way to have a editable GtkHTML2 widget | 16:44 |
| Khertan_work | pfff | 16:44 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll check | 16:44 |
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| Myrtti | *sigh* | 16:46 |
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| johnx | holy craps! plain vanilla open GL 2 drivers for the OMAP3 O_o | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 16:47 |
| johnx | http://openpandora.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/opengl/ | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, no, idiot bloggers. :P | 16:48 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, this is different than yesterday I think | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | "or not"? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| johnx | gaaah | 16:48 |
| johnx | furk | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: if i patch sapwood will you test it? | 16:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yup :) | 16:49 |
| johnx | BTW, was getting a decent connection to ports.u.c between 50KB/s and 150KB/s | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 16:50 |
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| johnx | this whole pandora thing is like some kind of instructional demonstration of why you hire PR people | 16:50 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:50 |
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| glass | hehe | 16:52 |
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| johnx | "A public service announcement funced by the Public Relations Workers' Union." | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: PR people will not save them | 16:56 |
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| glass | they already try way too much pr on their own | 16:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, I still think they can pull it off | 16:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: They needed people who could plan and had cool heads | 16:57 |
| glass | should just get some devices out and not talk empty about quality of parts and shit like that | 16:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: They probably can but by the time they do, the world will stop caring | 16:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, they needed people who had experience, contacts and big money | 16:57 |
| RST38h | glass: Maybe they hired Artemiy Lebedev for PR? =) | 16:58 |
| RST38h | glass: I mean, this whole thing looks like the Optimus Maximus resurrected | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: No need for contacts or huge money | 16:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, well hopefully it's not *that* bad to type on | 16:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, the whole original problem was that they needed pre-order money to do their production run | 16:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Chinese will gladly do the work for them for relatively small sums (<1mil bucks) | 16:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Including the ee design and mechanical design | 16:59 |
| johnx | yeah, they didn't have 1mil | 16:59 |
| glass | RST38h: hehe | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Then 100-300k will suffice but just barely | 16:59 |
| johnx | maybe s/big money/some money/ | 17:00 |
| wazd | ICQ is down | 17:00 |
| glass | RST38h: i think they've should've just made some dial with some chinafactory or htc or such for the production | 17:00 |
| wazd | again | 17:00 |
| glass | deal | 17:00 |
| johnx | I think their multiple redesigns cause a serious hit | 17:00 |
| glass | how the f i wrote dial.. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | glass: HTC would be too expensive | 17:00 |
| RST38h | glass: But they could bag a smaller outfit, no problem there | 17:00 |
| RST38h | That is not the problem though. The problem was that they were too loose mouthed. Talked a lot about their cool design process (making it look like they were doing it for the first time in their lives - NOT a good sign) | 17:01 |
| glass | yeah | 17:01 |
| Khertan_work | huh ? | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Kept promising delivery real-soon-now. You can't keep promising this for too long | 17:01 |
| * Khertan_work just discover the existance of gtkhtml3 | 17:02 | |
| glass | RST38h: and funding with pre-orders.. | 17:02 |
| johnx | yes, I would say a little more clue would have helped, but you get that through experience | 17:02 |
| glass | RST38h: wouldn't pre order from guys like that | 17:02 |
| glass | RST38h: i'd love to have the device probably though | 17:02 |
| RST38h | glass: no sane person would | 17:02 |
| johnx | <- dur | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | glass: Penguin worshippers are not sane people, but even for them one ripoff is usualyl enough to learn a lesson | 17:03 |
| glass | RST38h: then they stop being worshippers :p and start being practical/realistical | 17:03 |
| johnx | I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop :) | 17:03 |
| johnx | the bad thing would be if I/we get proved right :P | 17:03 |
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| Khertan_work | apt-get search gtkmozembed | 17:05 |
| Khertan_work | oups ... wrong window | 17:05 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:05 |
| Khertan_work | and gtkhtml3 exist but 1) No doc ... 2) No python binding | 17:07 |
| Khertan_work | i m tired ... all of this for a stupid simple wyciwyg editor | 17:08 |
| * Khertan_work decide to do plain text only ! | 17:08 | |
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| radic | hi | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 17:10 |
| radic | I've connected a USB-Stick to my N800 running os2008 | 17:10 |
| wazd | fucking icq, I hate them | 17:10 |
| radic | I set it into hostmode but nothing happens | 17:10 |
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| johnx | radic, can you try a different usb stick? | 17:12 |
| radic | johnx: no, but the mouse connectet trough a hub with power-supply dosn't work too | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | radic, powered hub? | 17:13 |
| johnx | radic, well mice won't work | 17:13 |
| johnx | I have one stick that tries to draw too much power and doesn't work | 17:13 |
| johnx | the other one works | 17:13 |
| radic | ok, IÃ'll try the cadreader | 17:13 |
| aquatix | wazd: icq still works here | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, does HAM only look at packages in its catalogues? | 17:14 |
| johnx | ah, yes, that sounds right | 17:15 |
| radic | hmm | 17:15 |
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| radic | Stskeeps: you are one of the unrealIRCd-coders? | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | radic: not anymore, but i started the project.. | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: my scratchbox's acting up but i can give you a diff | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | if you have a compiling version ready | 17:17 |
| johnx | yeah, that's fine | 17:17 |
| johnx | lots of build machines here :) | 17:17 |
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| radic | johnx: I've now a stick, a mouse and the cardreader on the powered hub | 17:18 |
| radic | nothing works | 17:18 |
| johnx | do things light up like they're getting power? | 17:18 |
| radic | no | 17:19 |
| radic | in /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode is "a_wait_bcon | 17:20 |
| radic | +" | 17:20 |
| johnx | did you ever try the stick directly? | 17:20 |
| radic | yes | 17:20 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: hola, you still there? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | (or any other wiki admin) | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | oh | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | wow | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: unpong | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 17:22 |
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| * Myrtti blinks | 17:23 | |
| Stskeeps | like a LED? :P | 17:24 |
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| X-Fade | Myrtti: A different world now, eh? | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | indeed :-D | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | I thought I was seeing things | 17:24 |
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| radic | I've now tested 3 sticks | 17:26 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: easy on the coffee! | 17:26 |
| radic | direct and at the hub | 17:26 |
| radic | none worked | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: bzr lp:~carsten-munk/m-r/sapwood | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | has fix | 17:27 |
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| johnx | branching now | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | you can also just 'get' it | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Wow, that Modest fix was *fast* | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: maybe the modest developers are just waiting for stuff to do | 17:28 |
| RST38h | General: Any chance we can get stuff like Modest committed to Extras-Devel before the official SSUs? | 17:29 |
| johnx | exciting...something ate my boot menu :/ | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: I doubt it =) | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: woops | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: There is SO much stuff to do there. For example, Modest still does not remember text zoom setting and does not allow to set the message font either | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: forgot to push it | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | pushed now | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: I have filed a bug for that a while ago, but it does not look like it will be fixed any time soon =( | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, doubtful. | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not by Nokia, anyway. | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're welcome to upload it yourself. | 17:30 |
| radic | why dose the flasher dosn't detect my N800? | 17:30 |
| RST38h | General: I may try - just get the current trunk and compile it | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | radic: you have it in host mode? :P | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | (i dunno) | 17:30 |
| radic | Stskeeps: yes | 17:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, beta releases have been discussed previously. | 17:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and Nokia seems to want to move in that direction. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/sapwood/revision/177 <- looks reasonable? | 17:31 |
| RST38h | General: For open sourced components, this can be done without Nokia | 17:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but it'll be a lot less work for us if it's just a part of their workflow. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Sts: yea, that is it | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also means we'll be tied a little more closely to their release cycles. | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | we'll test and forward to nokia | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | So have a better chance of getting bugs fixed. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | General: In fact, this can be automated | 17:32 |
| RST38h | General: A script can be written to go over open sourced components once a week, check for changes and if there are significant changes detected, build, package, upload to Extras-devel | 17:33 |
| johnx | s/significant// | 17:33 |
| RST38h | General: with a special postfix in the package name if needed, like -weekly" | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Mer will be better than Sardine ever was. (And it serves the same purpose) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | radic, try this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25869 | 17:33 |
| lcuk | let me know if its similar | 17:33 |
| johnx | X-Fade, only thing is that Mer isn't quite the same in some ways... | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, we do not have fully functioning Mer right now, and even if we get it, I would still prefer to stay with the original Nokia firmware | 17:34 |
| lcuk | x-fade :P mer is based on nokias stuff, if nokia starts pulling from mer whos pulling from nokia whos pulling from mer whos pulling from nokia whos ..... | 17:34 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not sure if you want new packages on just any changes though | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Universe implodes. | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Game over. | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but there is currently no beta firmware from Nokia. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: but that's really how it is supposed to work though | 17:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, so your script will have a grammar parser that reads changelogs? :P | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: That is called cooperation? Or synergy.. | 17:35 |
| RST38h | johnx: at least counts the lines :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: we get loads of quality components from nokia, we provide fixes, alignment, spreading the maemo platform.. | 17:35 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, but as I understand, the current source code for open sourced Nokia components (like Modest) is available | 17:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, thus that really simple one-line fix that saves it from crashing doesn't get to you? | 17:36 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So, checking it out and building betas is not impossible | 17:36 |
| lcuk | x-fade, sure but it would be better having the principle nokians working directly on the new bits of mer at the same time the principle community people are so the work is not duplicated | 17:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, alignment in more ways than one :D | 17:36 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: No, but receiving it as binary installs makes it a lot easier for casual testers. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: did we port modest yet? ;P | 17:37 |
| * lcuk casually tests mer whilst supping a beer | 17:37 | |
| X-Fade | lcuk: That is where real cooperation inside git.maemo.org come into place. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, we con upload compiled weekly betas as binary deb files to extras-devel | 17:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I heard mumblings about it on debian pkg-maemo | 17:37 |
| radic | Is there a way to reset the lock-code? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | s/con/can/ | 17:37 |
| johnx | we might want their packaging of it | 17:37 |
| radic | I fergot it :( | 17:37 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, :) 10000000% agree | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Which will happen. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Then testing becomes easy | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: im just worried that'll strip conic and everything. | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | but thats me :P | 17:38 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: True. That is what we can do with OSV-community-testing orso ;) | 17:38 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I'll look at it, but you're probably right. I guess using conic does get us better compatibility | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'll let that idea in the hands of GA. | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we probably also need to adopt a policy on sb vs native.. i see sb building as an accelerator, not as a requirement | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | hurrray! | 17:39 |
| lcuk | +9 | 17:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that sounds reasonable. this might be crazy, but I was thinking about some tag in control, maybe: x-scratchbox-ok: yes | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 17:40 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: One note though; the install process will probably require displaying a message box saying that this is an unofficial external beta and Nokia has nothing to do with it | 17:40 |
| johnx | the debian guys would probably just kill us O_o | 17:40 |
| johnx | RST38h, H-A-M is real good at that already... | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ten again this is a different field :P | 17:40 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ALL of linux is an unofficial beta | 17:40 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, I mean neither of us can *ever* go to debian conference for our sins against dpkg | 17:41 |
| lcuk | personally i think the dpkg guys shouldnt go to conferences either ;) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | installshield ftw :P | 17:41 |
| johnx | O_O; | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, you'll have to get it to depend on osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked. The fun part is how you can get the right one to install for the right device... | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, installshield is now a piece of shit wrapped around the more shittier windows installer | 17:42 |
| r2d2rogers | hello #maemo | 17:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, last time I checked installshield didn't have any ability to handle dependencies | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, pretty sure that quite a few installs will ask you to download net framework for example | 17:43 |
| lcuk | not at all, the windows installer is full of fun and shiny and since microsoft carefully upgraded it and maintained its sleek exterior and logical running to allow parallel app merging and an easy way to deploy your apps its never been so good | 17:43 |
| StsN800 | that's okay for me. i'd probably get in a fight with some gnubies anyway | 17:43 |
| * lcuk throws up a little | 17:43 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, ever had a install interrupted? I still can't install office under vista because it's fucking up somewhere and I have to use it under vmware in xmp | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | *xp | 17:44 |
| StsN800 | anyway, im gonna ns | 17:44 |
| lcuk | yeah i know john, i fight with it quite often - its upto the IDE to give it a list of deps (just like dpkg but with a mouse click) | 17:44 |
| johnx | StsN800, s/get in a fight with/crucified and hung on the wall by/ | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, your problem is vista :P | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | anyway, for the uninitiated : i was joking, i frikkin hate is | 17:45 |
| StsN800 | nap 2 hrs to catch up on sleep - good luck with sapwood | 17:45 |
| johnx | thanks | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, no, it's windows installer fucking up and not letting me uninstall it before I upgraded :P | 17:45 |
| johnx | will tell you how it works out | 17:45 |
| lcuk | sounds like my problem with apt | 17:45 |
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| johnx | lcuk, ah, poorly written .deb's can cause problems | 17:46 |
| lcuk | just like poorly written windows installer programs | 17:47 |
| lcuk | poorly written anything | 17:47 |
| johnx | lcuk, so where is the nice apt-like repository of all the good free windows apps? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | windows installer is a shit hole, I honestly have more success installing more programs that use the old installshield from 95 era | 17:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That is why I really prefer FreeBSD | 17:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is no beta. It is -STABLE :) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | johnx, google is my apt, all checked and verified by the site themselves, they even have little stickers guaranteeing virus free | 17:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sounds like my sort of app :) | 17:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But Ubuntu has done relatively good job at polishing Linux, it is pretty bearable now | 17:48 |
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| johnx | RST38h, except that lots of stuff in -STABLE ports just doesn't build... | 17:49 |
| johnx | and I'm still unclear how freeBSD binary packages interact with ports... | 17:49 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i am constantly surprised by the quality of linux whilst at the same time constantly shocked by the number of hoops you also have to jump through - simplicity is best for me | 17:49 |
| * lcuk installs sco unix | 17:50 | |
| Myrtti | ew | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | /ignore lcuk | 17:50 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:50 |
| johnx | "Linux, making the impossible things hard and the easy things slightly more difficult." | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Where can I buy? | 17:50 |
| johnx | at FTP-R-US | 17:51 |
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| * qwerty12 googles and sees far manager. The memories... | 17:51 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Never had any of them fail really | 17:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: But I am lazy, stupid, and thus prefer packages | 17:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, I never had one succeed | 17:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: Something in your setup was wrong. Probably wrong FTP server setting. | 17:52 |
| johnx | nah, patches failing to apply | 17:53 |
| johnx | configure failing | 17:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: This is abnormal really | 17:53 |
| johnx | I discovered the opposite | 17:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: Some tweak broke something | 17:53 |
| johnx | it was a fresh install of stable | 17:53 |
| RST38h | lcuk: FreeBSD is very boring in that sense - once you set it up, it never ever fails. The opposite side is that a lot of cool flashy stuff is missing | 17:54 |
| johnx | meh, I'll try it again one day and document what goes wrong | 17:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: Either these guys screwed it after I installed it the last time, or there is something wrong =) | 17:54 |
| johnx | so, there are binary packages of most things in ports? | 17:55 |
| johnx | cause that sounds more like what I want | 17:55 |
| RST38h | But we have -STABLE at komkon.org and it installs ports just fine | 17:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yep - run /stand/sysinstall and got to Postinstall Config -> packages | 17:55 |
| johnx | I'll just do that instead | 17:55 |
| johnx | it was mostly GUI stuff that was failing | 17:56 |
| johnx | but it's not like wmaker for example is a moving target... | 17:56 |
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| X-Fade | Pilot wants to have dinner at home ;) | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Hmm wrong window :) | 17:58 |
| johnx | oh no! it's the go-code from Nokia! | 17:58 |
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| johnx | (how do I respond?!) the monkeys are in the yard and the cake is ready | 17:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Execute order 66! | 18:01 |
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| johnx | opcode not supported: Segmentation Fault | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | sapwood? | 18:04 |
| andre__ | Garr. Thank you Scratchbox for crashing my system. | 18:04 |
| RST38h | mifki is selling his N810. Does it mean no more WebKit-based browser plugin? | 18:04 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, works great | 18:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, thanks again for the fix. | 18:04 |
| RST38h | [mechanically] 0x66 is an instruction prefix in x86. | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: built fine? and works | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:05 |
| johnx | yup and yup | 18:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: [wondering how many more fragments like this are out there in Maemo] | 18:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, not a lot as AFAIK | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | isnt there a gcc -W to deetect it? | 18:05 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Nope | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:06 |
| johnx | for most of this they should have been somewhat focused on armv5 compatibility | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Sts: When you are doing a cast, C assumes you know what you are doing | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | true | 18:06 |
| * RST38h loves the explanation why ARM fixed it in ARMV6 though | 18:06 | |
| johnx | RST38h, what was it? "better performance"? | 18:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: No :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: patch is the url earlier if you want to include it in bug report | 18:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, Maemo 4 compatibility? :D | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ping | 18:07 |
| RST38h | More and more ARM chips started coming with DSPs and DSPs operate on streams of 16bit values | 18:07 |
| RST38h | So, reading a misaligned stream suddenly became an issue | 18:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, ahaha. so they figured people would be making dumb mistakes? or is it unavoidable? | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: Just post that URL into the bug tracker | 18:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: It is unavoidable | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | johnx: You have got a stream of compressed data from somewhere and you have no idea how values will be aligned in that stream | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Aligning it manually becomes a bottleneck | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think r2d2rogers should test it and then we build -mer2 | 18:09 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds like a plan :) | 18:10 |
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| johnx | r2d2rogers, we have something awesome for you :) | 18:10 |
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| johnx | s/awesome/unbroken/ | 18:10 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: hullo ;) | 18:14 |
| kozak | Hi all | 18:14 |
| johnx | hey r2d2rogers. I have a build of sapwood for you to try, courtesy of Stskeeps and RST38h :) | 18:15 |
| r2d2rogers | \o/ | 18:15 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx, dev770 up and ready, apt-get updated | 18:15 |
| johnx | ok, will upload in a sec | 18:16 |
| Myrtti | whee | 18:16 |
| johnx | uploading... | 18:16 |
| * Stskeeps waits eagerly | 18:20 | |
| r2d2rogers | rebooting | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | starting with auto-startx/start-hildon i presume? | 18:22 |
| johnx | ah, need to test my changes to that :) | 18:22 |
| r2d2rogers | yes, for a user r2d2rogers, not root or user | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:22 |
| r2d2rogers | desktop menu and applet menus work | 18:23 |
| johnx | and they look 'right'? | 18:23 |
| r2d2rogers | application menu comes up but doesn't list the apps in extras | 18:23 |
| r2d2rogers | they look better than before | 18:24 |
| r2d2rogers | getting screenshot | 18:24 |
| johnx | do you have the load applet? | 18:24 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 18:24 |
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| r2d2rogers | on light grey background | 18:24 |
| johnx | can you get a screenshot of list processes too? | 18:25 |
| r2d2rogers | should be able to | 18:25 |
| r2d2rogers | wait, I am getting the icons in extras now | 18:26 |
| johnx | haha! woo | 18:26 |
| radic | yeahh, I found my lost lock-code in /dev/mtd1 | 18:27 |
| r2d2rogers | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22122.png | 18:28 |
| johnx | errr...are you sure sapwood is running? | 18:28 |
| johnx | did you possibly disable it? | 18:29 |
| r2d2rogers | I just reenabled it I thought... | 18:29 |
| r2d2rogers | checking | 18:29 |
| johnx | ah, nm, see it in the screenshot :) | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | re | 18:29 |
| johnx | odd | 18:29 |
| r2d2rogers | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22161.png | 18:29 |
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| johnx | well this is even weirder... | 18:29 |
| johnx | hi Jaffa | 18:30 |
| Proteous | even more weirder | 18:30 |
| r2d2rogers | I can re run start hildon manually? | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: when I first ran HAM it picked up the repos from /etc/apt/sources.list in its catalogues list. | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: swap enabled and such? | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you may need to do the "assume-connection 1" trick, if libconic is reporting always disconnected | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: try yeah | 18:31 |
| r2d2rogers | Swap: 265064k total, 14520k used, 250544k free, 21252k cached | 18:31 |
| r2d2rogers | from top | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: dist-upgraded too? | 18:31 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | put xsession-errors somewhere | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx, yours show gfx fine? | 18:33 |
| r2d2rogers | wilco, waiting for double check on update & dist-upgrade | 18:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it did. I'm rebooting to make sure there wasn't a running sapwood-server | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | im gonna collapse in bed a bit | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | my hypothesis is some strange collision of theming stuff | 18:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sleep :P | 18:36 |
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| johnx | still works fine here | 18:38 |
| johnx | *shrug* | 18:38 |
| r2d2rogers | I jsut add public_html on trac.tspre to get a web readable dir? | 18:38 |
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| r2d2rogers | was planning to reimage today anyhow... | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... gpe is dead? | 18:39 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, gpe-pim or the whole desktop project? | 18:39 |
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| slonopotamus | last news from their site is September 01 2005 | 18:39 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, that's the wrong site :) | 18:39 |
| slonopotamus | johnx, whole project | 18:39 |
| b1ackdeath | any any one recomend a way for me to monitor how much trafic i use on my ppp0 connection | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | that's the one that google knows | 18:40 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/ | 18:40 |
| johnx | their old site was somewhat hijacked it appears | 18:40 |
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| slonopotamus | that's better :) | 18:41 |
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| dob | Trying to install Mer on N800, getting "Unable to install merinstaller. Incompatible application package." Now what? | 18:44 |
| johnx | dob, could you try installing it with dpkg ? | 18:45 |
| dob | johnx: ok, I'll try that | 18:45 |
| johnx | you're using the latest release of diablo, right? | 18:47 |
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| qwerty12 | The section is missing a user/ | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | Presumably the end-user release will include user/? | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | Who's doing merinstaller? Meiz_n810? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | b-man | 18:48 |
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| dob | johnx: 5.2008.43-7, right? | 18:51 |
| johnx | yeah, just checking | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: ta | 18:52 |
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| dob | johnx: ok, I had to -f install e2fsprogs zenity gnutar to get merinstaller to install | 18:54 |
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| johnx | dob, ok, thanks for the info. I'll poke at b-man next time he's around :) | 18:55 |
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| radic | hmm | 18:56 |
| radic | If I connect my USB-hub then I get the message that the hub isn't supported | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a guess at this one? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Knots&curid=1414&diff=9958&oldid=9868&rcid=9961 | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should I just revert it, or is there a reason it should be wget? | 18:57 |
| radic | If I connect the stick directly it works | 18:57 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: where's maemo-mini-curl come from? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, the "maemo-mini-curl http://nakkiboso.com/knots/dl.php?file=client" doesn't work even if I fix the command line. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, comes with OS2008, part of apt-https | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's bundled. | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, doesn't work? | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | Ah, wow. | 18:59 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, nope. Even if I use -o <whatever I want to call it> | 19:00 |
| dob | GeneralAntilles: doesn't curl just dump to stdout? I'd guess wget is correct | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | maemo-mini-curl won't save automatically with the correct file name - you have to enter it manually. So assuming that solmumaha updates that link from time to time, it'd always have some other name. Wget is the way to go. | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, well, wget isn't bundled | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo-mini-curl is. | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it saves a step when it works. | 19:02 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: I'm seeing "unable to locate theme engine" messages in xsession-errors | 19:07 |
| johnx | now that's odd | 19:07 |
| johnx | does it say what theme engine it's looking for? | 19:09 |
| r2d2rogers | "sapwood" | 19:09 |
| r2d2rogers | nm-applet[2040]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "sapwood", | 19:09 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx: wouldn't that be /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libsapwood.so | 19:09 |
| r2d2rogers | ? | 19:09 |
| johnx | could you do this: ls maemo-mini-curl http://nakkiboso.com/knots/dl.php?file=client | 19:09 |
| johnx | errr. | 19:10 |
| johnx | stupid paste buffer | 19:10 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 19:10 |
| johnx | ls /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libsapwood.so | 19:10 |
| johnx | <- late o'clock | 19:10 |
| r2d2rogers | ;) | 19:10 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: is there is permission 644 | 19:10 |
| johnx | same here | 19:11 |
| johnx | sorry, no idea right now | 19:11 |
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| r2d2rogers | no worries | 19:11 |
| r2d2rogers | just making sure I'm not missing obvious | 19:12 |
| johnx | I think this will work once we sort out why it won't load for you | 19:12 |
| r2d2rogers | I think I'll try a fresh image in the mean time | 19:12 |
| johnx | might be a good idea | 19:12 |
| r2d2rogers | give sts time for a good nap <G> | 19:12 |
| johnx | I'm gonna catch some sleep too | 19:12 |
| r2d2rogers | g'night johnx | 19:12 |
| johnx | 'night r2d2rogers | 19:12 |
| johnx | back in ~6-8 hours | 19:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | my nit crash three time without any reason | 19:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | and reboot after | 19:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | how can i understand wh i get this crash ? | 19:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | the third it was just after hildon-desktop finish loading | 19:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i get a fade out display and bump nokia logo | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 19:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | cat /proc/bootreason > 32wd_to | 19:42 |
| TheFatal | take a look... http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/08/ebs-menlow-based-mimd-umpc-remembers-to-bring-the-sexy/ | 19:42 |
| dob | X-Fade: I noticed a repo, that's not on your list, in the wiki: https://wiki.maemo.org/Knots#Ruby_for_Maemo_OS2008 | 19:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | since to be related to watchdog | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, Ruby's in Extras. | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | what watchdog do | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, our goal is to discourage more 3rd-party repos, not encourage them, anyway. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Reporting_reboot_issues | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/30750 | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | something strange too is that the screen luminosity go more and more low each minute | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx gan | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | its a good start | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, personally, I'm in favor of the hitting-it-with-a-stick method. ;) | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know what is the purpose of '/usr/sbin/dsp_dld' ? | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | dld | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dynamic load? | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | "dsp_dld performs dynamic loading of tasks into the DSP of the OMAP platform and loads tasks on demand" | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, http://gforge.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/projects/dspdld/ | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|gone is gone | 19:55 |
| dob | GeneralAntilles: are you sure it's there? I can't find it. | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | strange ... | 19:55 |
| dob | GeneralAntilles: also, I meant that perhaps the repo owner should be contacted to have it closed. | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | it look li;ke more and more an hw problem | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, thought it was, but I guess not yet. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, ah, right, that list. | 19:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles was confused. | 19:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Apologies, dob. ;) | 19:56 |
| dob | GeneralAntilles: X-Fade has another list? :) | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | dob, well, there are several lists on a number of different Maemo-related wikis, so. . . . | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it's alterego that's doing the maemo-ruby stuff. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | He was going to upload it to Extras a couple weeks ago | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I guess he never got around to it. | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | do you hear of problem with advanced backlight ? | 19:57 |
| dob | GeneralAntilles: oh, sorry for the ambiguity :) | 19:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dob, he was just here, too. . . . | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, I'll prod him for a status update next time I see him. | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n810, what sort of problem? | 19:58 |
| dob | ok, thanks | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan> screen luminosity going more and more low every minute | 19:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | (as nit restart and restart without any reason) | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | (sorry for short message | 20:00 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, are you on it now? | 20:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't decide what to make for dinner. | 20:02 | |
| qwerty12 | hash brownies | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, well, I've got brownies anyway. :P | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | So bring them to life :P | 20:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | no i m on it | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/no/now | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | dmesg have plenty of 'DSP Pausing failed' | 20:04 |
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| * qwerty12 goes and hildonizes epdfview. I need a light pdf viewer that is better than the built in one and less whorish than evince | 20:04 | |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, oooer, do you listen to music? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | have you installed anything new last few days? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | have you dropped it ( :O ) | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | and no mp3 on the card | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope ... hometool | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep i ve dropped it since sdcard failed and not reloaded it on it | 20:07 |
| lcuk | oooer | 20:07 |
| lcuk | crap, reallife | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i got also since 3 days some freeze of the nit during 1ts or 30s | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | witghout | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | any reason | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i use this new version of hometool since 2 weeks so ... i don t understand | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | real life | 20:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... loadavg 9.04 | 20:10 |
| lcuk_mashingpota | have you installed vista on it? | 20:11 |
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| woglinde | he lcuk | 20:12 |
| woglinde | give me some bacon | 20:12 |
| lcuk_boilingkett | sorry, its mash n chicken grillsteaks and peas tonight :) | 20:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | does an sdcard corrupted can cause a device reboot ? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | depends whether software tries writing to it? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | or if your virtual memory is on it | 20:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | vm is on internal | 20:14 |
| lcuk | dunno then, does mcal point its data onto mmc1 and try to autosync to it? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | or any other apps | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope mcal autosync it disabled :) | 20:15 |
| lcuk | is this the same sdcard that didnt like to be frozen btw? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | crap, better dash anyway before the cats eat my chicken | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | and after a reboot only metalawtyerr-crappy-crawler is running | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | but was formatted since | 20:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk: yep the same ... | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll go on too | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye and thx for help | 20:16 |
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| solca | GeneralAntilles: I don't care that you consider NITdroid stupid, measured by it's success many people don't think the same, nice way to be in the "community council chair" !! | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | solca, don't take it personally. | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an impressive accomplishmentI | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just don't like Android. | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nothing more to it than that. | 20:29 |
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| solca | GeneralAntilles: attacking NITdroid is a different thing that you don't like Android | 20:31 |
| solca | GeneralAntilles: as I said I don't care what you said anymore | 20:31 |
| solca | GeneralAntilles: EOT | 20:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 20:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You can hardly take something I say and twist it then refuse to hear me out. | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But fine. | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | hehe, ICQ is yet again screwing up people | 20:36 |
| lcuk | solca, since you know a bit about android, can i install maemo on the g1? | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm surprised people use it. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it popular over there or something? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | its been popular for a while | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | Apart from Russians, I've never seen anyone else use it. | 20:37 |
| RST38h | General: it has got the cloud | 20:37 |
| RST38h | General: At least in .RU and .IL dunno about the rest of the world | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recall it being popular around 2001 or 2002 when I last used it. | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen anybody use it since. | 20:37 |
| RST38h | General: Written by Israelis of Russian descent in VB (or so rumors say). Initially used IRC network for handshaking. | 20:38 |
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| Java08523 | is there any site with tutorial on Maemo SDK? | 20:38 |
| RST38h | General: Royally pissed off IRC admins at that time | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | General: Got sold to AOL at some point, I think | 20:38 |
| RST38h | General: The official client is an evil monstrosity written in Java and looking like a flashing, rainbowing, blinking LSD hallucination | 20:39 |
| RST38h | (of course, nobody uses it, so no ad revenue, so AOL is really disappointed now) | 20:40 |
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| solca | lcuk: I don't think so, in any case not in the G1 but probably the ADP1 | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jake42-2, http://maemo.org/development | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | wtf | 20:41 |
| solca | lcuk: and not Maemo but something more like Mer | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | ICQ used to be *the* *only* IM program/service | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, where and when? | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | like 10 years ago | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | maybe a little longer | 20:42 |
| lcuk | whats wrong with the g1? i thought it was meant to be an open phone? | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, pfft. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Open" | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: from the sound of it, it's just expensive | 20:43 |
| RST38h | luke is essentially right | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, where? | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: ? | 20:43 |
| RST38h | there was IRC. then there was ICQ. and then there was everything else. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Geography has a lot to do with perceived popularity. | 20:43 |
| woglinde | G1 is not open | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: IRC is MUC, not IM | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | General: this statement is not geography specific | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was using AIM in 1999. | 20:43 |
| lcuk | but but but android is open, how can you put something open on something closed without closing it | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | I was using Excite! PAL in… 1995? | 20:44 |
| * lcuk asplodes | 20:44 | |
| RST38h | General: ICQ existed before that, circa 1995-1996 I think | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 1996. | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: bootloader requires a signature | 20:44 |
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| solca | lcuk: the G1's bootloader check for signed images | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but luke-jr said 10 years ago. | 20:44 |
| lcuk | isnt that available in the android source? | 20:44 |
| solca | lcuk: although it can be hacked easily | 20:44 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: there's a completely open version of the G1 called the android dev phone, iirc | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: it should be, but you'll need to prove it in court | 20:44 |
| RST38h | General: Well, 10 years ago is 1999, so ICQ satisfies. | 20:45 |
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| solca | lcuk: the ADP1 doesn't require signed images | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | http://code.google.com/intl/lt/android/dev-devices.html | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, surely you're being facetious? | 20:45 |
| lcuk | solca, im not asking about the adp1 | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, not from my experience at the time | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But so be it. | 20:45 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles im serious, i want mer/maemo on the g1 | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, real problem with Android: | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | it's pro-Java | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Android's top honcho just left google for coupons.com | 20:45 |
| RST38h | hehe | 20:45 |
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| mgedmin | android is very "let's avoid GPL so that people can build closed versions of our stuff" | 20:46 |
| luke-jr | does anyone but me remember Excite! PAL? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, but its built on a gpl framework | 20:46 |
| solca | lcuk: adp1 = g1 except bootloader | 20:46 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: this has nothing to do with android being java only though | 20:46 |
| lcuk | solca, but i want my friends to be able to install it | 20:46 |
| mavhc | android is open, g1 isn't, simple | 20:47 |
| lcuk | if we get a kickass mer/maemo distro going i wanna shout from the rooftops | 20:47 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: and based on a "let us call all the usual stuff with new names" framework =) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but it can be hacked open? | 20:47 |
| solca | lcuk: it would be a nice project to port Mer to G1, it just needs developer man power | 20:47 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: do you volunteer to reverse engineer the battery blob? | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | I've heard of people jail-breaking the g1 | 20:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Judging from the bug it had where whatever you typed went straight to a root shell in the background, yes =) | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, how is that relevant to Maemo on the G1? | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | i find it incredible that you haveto jailbreak the linux os | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, then you're being naive. ;) | 20:48 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: it's relevant to a Free Maemo OS in general | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | that was one of the arguments FSF had for GPL v3 | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, oh, right, zealotry. | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its called debate | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | how big is the battery blob anyhow? | 20:53 |
| lcuk | cant be that big, its only a small phone | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, it's hardly relevant to Maemo as an OS, anyway. | 20:53 |
| solca | lcuk: oh and I almost forgot, Maemo could never be ported to other devices per the proprietary software | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: referring to a blob on N810 | 20:54 |
| lcuk | solca, i know default maemo couldnt, but mer is on the right track and we never know - it could form the basis for a new better primary maemo | 20:54 |
| solca | lcuk: Mer could but without the propietary parts is very hard for just a few devels | 20:56 |
| solca | lcuk: at least Android is completely open in all aspects | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | could i put my liqbase on it? | 20:57 |
| * solca searching info for liqbase | 20:57 | |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ http://liqbase.net/ | 20:57 |
| lcuk | save you the hassle | 20:57 |
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| lardman | morning :) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | heh i see your pills are in full effect again lardman | 20:58 |
| * qwerty12_N800 passes lardman a watch ;P | 20:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lardman. | 20:58 |
| * lcuk passes lardman hair of the dog | 20:59 | |
| lardman | well chaps, I've been working solidly (i.e. no interweb) all day | 20:59 |
| lardman | so it's internet morning for me ;) | 20:59 |
| solca | lcuk: nice project, it is open source? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:59 |
| lardman | ooo, supper's up, bbiab | 20:59 |
| lcuk | and very very fast :) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | lardman, BREAKFAST | 21:00 |
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| lardman|eating | :p | 21:00 |
| lcuk | solca, yes very much so - and very efficent and fast on any platform with x11+xv graphics | 21:00 |
| lcuk | its wrote in c, i gather i can just reinstall and run on android? | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | recompile^ | 21:01 |
| solca | lcuk: it could run if it doesn't depend on x11 | 21:02 |
| woglinde | lcuk no | 21:02 |
| lcuk | what graphics do i need? | 21:02 |
| woglinde | android has no X11 | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ill refactor if required | 21:02 |
| solca | lcuk: if it could rewriten in skia... | 21:02 |
| lcuk | skia? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | i gather you mean the graphics lib and not the font :D | 21:03 |
| solca | I didn't know there was a font with that name... :p | 21:03 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm I guess they are using framebuffer | 21:03 |
| lcuk | solca, does skia support YUV graphics? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | well wikipedia tells me thats what skia is | 21:04 |
| lcuk | with a bootnote about the lib | 21:04 |
| solca | lcuk: no idea but I think it would be nice to have on Android, but it would run "fullscreen" | 21:05 |
| solca | I have never used liqbase so I don't know if that's a factor tho | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | solca, :) maybe you should, its nice and the next version will be even better | 21:12 |
| lcuk | can i send my kids to siberia? jakes just blocked the toilet | 21:12 |
| lcuk | and solca liqbase runs at fullscreen on this device for now anyway so thats not a problem ;) | 21:13 |
| woglinde | lcuk what should your kids do in seberia, freezing? | 21:14 |
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| timeless | anyone here *not* have skype installed on their tablet? | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, anything they want. as long as i dont have to use a coat hanger to fish out half a loo roll from the toilet i will be happy | 21:15 |
| lcuk | timeless, no | 21:15 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, no Skype. | 21:15 |
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| woglinde | I dont use skype | 21:15 |
| Jaffa | timeless: I don't. Built in call s/w works for the rare (late nights at work) times I want to video call my wife/son/daughter on their tablet | 21:16 |
| timeless | GeneralAntilles: i need someone to try clicking on skype, letting it try to install and tell me if they see "%s successfully installed. Launch application?" | 21:16 |
| timeless | (%s would be replaced w/ something, not sure what) | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | A Skype installer .desktop I do not have. | 21:16 |
| timeless | after that you can uninstall skype | 21:16 |
| timeless | um, rhapsody maybe? | 21:16 |
| * timeless shrugs | 21:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that, either. | 21:17 |
| timeless | any of the adware nokia apps | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I've got the installer still. | 21:17 |
| timeless | well errm, could you find out if that does it? | 21:17 |
| timeless | i'm not picky | 21:17 |
| keesj | lcuk: did you compare liqbase xv and SDL or similar? | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Click entry in menu, it says "Install Skype?". app Mgr loading... | 21:17 |
| timeless | the string comes from application manager | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installing. . . . | 21:17 |
| Pavlz | i have flashed the nokia 770 this morning | 21:18 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po?mark=1049-1051#1040 | 21:18 |
| timeless | (for people playing along at home) | 21:18 |
| Pavlz | now i tried to use the shell | 21:18 |
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| Pavlz | of nokia 770 | 21:19 |
| * Jaffa twiddles thumbs "preparing installation" | 21:19 | |
| Pavlz | and when i digit | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gave me "skype successfully installed" and nothing more. | 21:19 |
| Pavlz | sudo gainroot | 21:19 |
| Pavlz | it replies me to enable R&D | 21:20 |
| timeless | pavlz: install an sshd instead | 21:20 |
| timeless | or find one of the other rooters | 21:20 |
| lcuk | keesj, yeah, sdl tears horribly | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | "Installing Skype" | 21:21 |
| lcuk | i started my journey there :) | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, why didn't you name it Roto-Rooter? :( | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | timeless: easiest way is one of the pkgs in Extras | 21:21 |
| lcuk | well, technically i started with pygtk | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | EULA... | 21:21 |
| Pavlz | and it does not change the $ of user in # of root | 21:21 |
| lcuk | but thats not exactly graphics | 21:21 |
| Pavlz | where i find ssh ? | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | "Installing _s_kype", sorry. Miscapitalisation there | 21:22 |
| keesj | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po?mark=1049-1051#1040 | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, because I sucked @ packaging then :P | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | Pavlz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 21:22 |
| keesj | lcuk: but performance? | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | timeless: same as GeneralAntilles: "skype installed" Nowt else | 21:23 |
| lcuk | keesj, define performance, i get 27fps fullscreen tearfree 800*480 updates - can sdl match? | 21:23 |
| timeless | ok | 21:23 |
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| PaulAnagrama | hi | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | uh | 21:23 |
| timeless | could someone figure out if that string i mentioned is used somewhere? :( | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: what's wrong with sudo -i -H? | 21:23 |
| keesj | performance: workable UI with no anoying delays | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | timeless: poke me later when I'm at my desktop with the HAM src checked out on | 21:24 |
| PaulAnagrama | does anyone know if the wayfinder licensing server is down? | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: that it won't work OOB on Maemo? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | keesj, you've seen liqbase (at linuxtag first) its evolved lots since then, get it on your 8x0 and try it :) | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr, have you actually tried that on a stock tablet? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12_N800: no, but I'd be glad to if you send me one ;) | 21:24 |
| lcuk | since the summit ive been working towards making it a library (so i can put my apps on it) and its faster than anything else out there | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/mer-ham-03.png shows the grid view in mer, and the "bundle everything into Other" if it isn't a defined thing. Extras never looked so good | 21:25 |
| keesj | lcuk: I do use it quite often I don't know if its the latsest version or not. | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | probably is, ive only technically released one version | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | luke-jr, nah, no point in doing something that has no benefits for me and knowing it won't work without installing sudser anyway ;) | 21:26 |
| keesj | I only use my n800 as my n810's touch screen is f*cked up | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | ive reorganised it all into a nice little library now and just wiring through everything :) i have the main parts of the UI ive wanted for a while | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | keesj: configure the keypad as a mouse? ☺ | 21:26 |
| keesj | I do get weird artifacts quite often | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, that's nice. | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, we need some of the alternate category views, now, too. | 21:27 |
| keesj | luke-jr: it send mouse events every now and then | 21:27 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: aye | 21:27 |
| keesj | timeless: that http://mxr.maemo.org/ is quilte usefull | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, display cable coming loose? | 21:28 |
| * Jaffa homes | 21:28 | |
| woglinde | bye jaffa | 21:28 |
| lcuk | cya jaffa | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | bbl | 21:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles deploys flares. | 21:28 | |
| timeless | keesj: it'd have fremantle too | 21:28 |
| timeless | but IT took away network access for my internal box | 21:28 |
| lcuk | timeless, i thought you were entirely digital until we sat down in berlin | 21:29 |
| keesj | GeneralAntilles: nop. the problem is commonly called forks or KIDS | 21:29 |
| Pavlz | what is the passwd of nokia 770 when it came flashed ? | 21:30 |
| timeless | rootme | 21:31 |
| keesj | I wonder if the n800 screen and the n810 screens can be interchanged | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | different connectors | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:32 |
| timeless | ok, next question | 21:32 |
| timeless | would you say "remove application" or "uninstall application"? | 21:32 |
| timeless | and once that's done | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remove | 21:33 |
| timeless | would you say "application removed" or "application uninstalled" | 21:33 |
| timeless | ok | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uninstall leads to uninstallable. | 21:33 |
| timeless | 130 # List item in the main view | 21:33 |
| timeless | 131 msgid "ai_li_uninstall" | 21:33 |
| timeless | 132 msgstr "Show installed applications" | 21:33 |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:33 | |
| timeless | totally broken logical ids | 21:34 |
| timeless | perhaps i should have one bug for them | 21:34 |
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| Pavlz | it is not rootme | 21:36 |
| timeless | 596 msgid "ai_fi_details_packages_uninstall" | 21:37 |
| timeless | 597 msgstr " Application packages to remove:" | 21:37 |
| timeless | amusingly enough, we arne't consistent about using the word "uninstall" | 21:37 |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:37 | |
| Pavlz | i tried to change with passwd | 21:37 |
| Pavlz | nothing to do | 21:37 |
| timeless | 1238 msgid "ai_ni_error_uninstallation_failed" | 21:38 |
| timeless | 1239 msgstr "Unable to uninstall %s" | 21:38 |
| timeless | you were talking about uninstallable. uninstallation is my favorite :) | 21:38 |
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| timeless | help | 21:50 |
| timeless | would someone please translate this into English: | 21:50 |
| timeless | 933 # Confirmation note shown to the user when s/he has selected a catalogue to be deleted from the list | 21:50 |
| timeless | 934 msgid "ai_nc_remove_repository" | 21:50 |
| timeless | 935 msgstr "" | 21:50 |
| timeless | 936 "Delete catalogue?\n" | 21:50 |
| timeless | 937 "Package list originating from this catalogue will also be deleted." | 21:50 |
| aquatix | erm | 21:51 |
| aquatix | looks English to me? | 21:51 |
| timeless | in case you're curious: that is *NOT* English | 21:51 |
| aquatix | ah | 21:51 |
| timeless | it's words which independently can be found in a British dictionary | 21:51 |
| aquatix | :) | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: speaking of strings, any good reason why perfectly good msgids have been stripped from various l10n packages? (if you know, that is), https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4001 | 21:52 |
| timeless | however, selecting random sets of words won't always get you valid (or meaningful) sentences, | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | sfil_li_modified_today is really a wonder to me | 21:52 |
| aquatix | timeless: talking about line 937? | 21:52 |
| timeless | stskeeps: having had a very very bad run in w/ the internal localizers today/yesterday | 21:52 |
| timeless | i'm staying very far away from them | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, gang of thugs ;) | 21:53 |
| timeless | fwiw, internally fremantle shows all sorts of id's in all sorts of places | 21:53 |
| timeless | it's sorta par for the course | 21:53 |
| * timeless also got yelled at for filing a bug a week before the localization shipped w/ the predictably buggy string | 21:54 | |
| * timeless got a very very bad thrashing for yelling back | 21:54 | |
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| aquatix | aww | 21:54 |
| timeless | it could mean i leave nokia :) | 21:54 |
| aquatix | yelling back++ | 21:54 |
| timeless | i'd be much happier | 21:54 |
| aquatix | oh? | 21:55 |
| aquatix | hm | 21:55 |
| timeless | not currently planned, but | 21:55 |
| timeless | it's only half in my control | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bribin' dem with vodka++ | 21:55 |
| herzi | can someone privmsg me his wifi-mac of the n810? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php somehow doesn't accept mine... | 21:55 |
| timeless | if i get upset again, they could conceivably (and justifiably) fire me | 21:55 |
| timeless | herzi: please call nokia care | 21:55 |
| timeless | you can use skype to call the us 800 number | 21:55 |
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| timeless | (if you can't reach some other nokia care number) | 21:56 |
| timeless | herzi: complaints about those things should be made as soon as possible through proper channels | 21:56 |
| timeless | (and no, people should not message you the wifi mac) | 21:56 |
| timeless | but yes, complaining to nokia care can and should work | 21:56 |
| timeless | and some of us (e.g. me) really do read nokia care feedback | 21:57 |
| * timeless puts down the corporate citizen hat | 21:57 | |
| timeless | re 4001, i have the fremantle string table maximized behind this chat window | 21:57 |
| timeless | and at least some of the examples are definitely present | 21:58 |
| timeless | the short answer is "we didn't get localizations until this week, and the beta shipped before then" | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ah. | 21:58 |
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| * timeless will comment in the bug | 21:59 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh god | 22:00 |
| suihkulokki | herzi: fwiw if you have a prototype, you should ask whoever gave you the proto for firmware updates | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | "s/he" | 22:00 |
| herzi | calling... | 22:00 |
| * timeless nods | 22:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Please tell me they're kidding. . . . | 22:00 |
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| timeless | welcome to my workld | 22:00 |
| herzi | suihkulokki: it's not a proto, it's a sales device | 22:00 |
| herzi | calling anyway... | 22:01 |
| * timeless likes that typo | 22:01 | |
| aquatix | that's not a typo | 22:01 |
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| aquatix | oh, your typo | 22:01 |
| aquatix | meh | 22:01 |
| aquatix | :) | 22:02 |
| timeless | ok, so there were two bug numbers i was supposed to look at | 22:02 |
| * timeless dealt w/ 4001 | 22:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I'd kill myself if I had to fight over shit like that frequently. | 22:02 |
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| timeless | yes, 937 | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: ah, thanks for that input - glad we're in same boat :) | 22:03 |
| timeless | generalantilles: i only have to do it ~100 times per product cycle | 22:03 |
| timeless | and yes, it looks like i can get myself fired for caring | 22:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's not surprising. | 22:03 |
| aquatix | http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11985 <- is that a popup? | 22:04 |
| aquatix | oh, file chooser, hm | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | that's a file chooser | 22:04 |
| aquatix | it somehow looked part of the appmanager | 22:04 |
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| * aquatix should read captions ;) | 22:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Shipping things to the billing address instead of the shipping address is always appreciated. | 22:05 |
| timeless | right, so did someone have a fix for 937? | 22:05 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ah, shipping fsckups? | 22:05 |
| herzi | and noone was able to help on the phone line | 22:06 |
| aquatix | timeless: add "The" in front? | 22:06 |
| * herzi hardcodes the glib-version-dependecy of his package now to the old version | 22:06 | |
| timeless | aquatix: no fair | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, apparently. | 22:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants his USB Model M. :( | 22:06 | |
| timeless | fixing a sentence by adding an article because the native finnish speaker never learned to use articles | 22:06 |
| aquatix | :) | 22:07 |
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| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: aww :/ | 22:07 |
| aquatix | timeless: doesn't nokia have a british person for such translations? | 22:08 |
| * timeless rotfl | 22:08 | |
| timeless | or crying? | 22:08 |
| * aquatix guesses the answer | 22:08 | |
| timeless | i'm not sure quite how much dirty laundry i want to air in one day | 22:08 |
| timeless | and i'm not sure i'm allowed to talk about certain subjects | 22:08 |
| timeless | but can we stick to the facts? | 22:08 |
| timeless | the urls i'm quoting are from Diablo | 22:09 |
| timeless | and they almost certainly existed in the 770's original release | 22:09 |
| timeless | that means there were 4+ product cycles containing them | 22:09 |
| timeless | i'll let those facts speak for themselves | 22:09 |
| aquatix | ouch | 22:09 |
| aquatix | (I missed you quoting them?) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | timeless, very easy to do - better to leave code alone and without complaints than dive in and change things willy nilly. | 22:09 |
| lcuk | basic business logic | 22:09 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po?mark=933-937#900 | 22:10 |
| * aquatix likes messing around with code ;0 | 22:10 | |
| aquatix | ;) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | even though ive spent the last however many years poring over the codebase at work we still find some doozy things | 22:10 |
| timeless | anyway... | 22:10 |
| * timeless ponders just adding the article (The) | 22:11 | |
| timeless | ok, so fwiw, here's why i didn't just autocorrect w/ that | 22:11 |
| aquatix | timeless: that makes it a valid sentence i think | 22:11 |
| timeless | the problem is, do you as a user know what a package list is? | 22:11 |
| timeless | yeah, it does | 22:11 |
| aquatix | ah right | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: my gf consistently messes up with 'the' as well (polish descent) | 22:11 |
| timeless | there are two parts to localization | 22:11 |
| timeless | 1. make sure it's a valid sentence | 22:11 |
| aquatix | well, you see it skipped like this often in computer context | 22:11 |
| timeless | 2. make sure your target audience will understand it | 22:12 |
| aquatix | timeless: is "package list" mentioned in the same app? | 22:12 |
| avs | I just have to tell this now: I was leafing through Compute!'s Gazette (the C=64 mag) when I was a small kid, before I learned English at school. So I was constantly asking my parents what it says in there. My father told me to "figure it out myself", so I went to my mom asking what "the" means | 22:12 |
| avs | her answer, "it's the definite article", did not help me much | 22:12 |
| aquatix | *g* | 22:12 |
| timeless | aquatix: have you loaded that url? | 22:13 |
| timeless | it contains all strings used in the app | 22:13 |
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| timeless | avs: heh | 22:13 |
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| aquatix | timeless: it generally talks about applications | 22:13 |
| aquatix | and "software" now and then | 22:14 |
| aquatix | so maybe "937 "The Application list originating from this catalogue will also be deleted." is better? | 22:14 |
| timeless | don't worry about the number | 22:14 |
| timeless | that's just the cross reference helping others :) | 22:14 |
| aquatix | yeah, was just copy/pasting it ;) | 22:15 |
| timeless | Applications offered by this catalog* will no longer be available. | 22:15 |
| timeless | ? | 22:15 |
| timeless | note: i'm en-US, so I don't like catalogue :), but i'll write the proper thing in the end | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | catalogue? | 22:15 |
| aquatix | ah, it has sentences like "Application packages to install" too | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, that string sounds more sane | 22:15 |
| aquatix | timeless: this is _GB ;) | 22:15 |
| timeless | yeah, application packages | 22:15 |
| timeless | aquatix: i know. but i still personally write en-US | 22:16 |
| timeless | ok | 22:16 |
| * aquatix prefers _GB, but that aside | 22:16 | |
| timeless | Application packages offered by this catalogue will no longer be available. | 22:16 |
| timeless | ? | 22:16 |
| RST38h | 68000 | 22:16 |
| aquatix | hm | 22:16 |
| * RST38h hates it now. | 22:16 | |
| aquatix | timeless: won't that be confusing? | 22:16 |
| timeless | ? | 22:17 |
| aquatix | a user might think it uninstalls the packages too then | 22:17 |
| timeless | 'offered' | 22:17 |
| aquatix | yeah | 22:17 |
| timeless | hrm 'available from' ? | 22:17 |
| timeless | Application packages available from this catalogue will no longer be available for installation. | 22:17 |
| timeless | no, that uses 'available' twice | 22:17 |
| aquatix | or say ".. available for installation or upgrading" | 22:17 |
| aquatix | yeah | 22:18 |
| aquatix | heh | 22:18 |
| aquatix | just skip the first "available" | 22:18 |
| aquatix | erm | 22:18 |
| timeless | Application packages offered by this catalogue will no longer be available for installation and upgrades. | 22:18 |
| aquatix | "Application packages offered by this catalogue will no longer be available for installation or upgrading" | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Application packages offered by this catalogue will no longer be available for installation"? | 22:18 |
| aquatix | ? | 22:18 |
| aquatix | yeah | 22:18 |
| aquatix | timeless: yours | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:18 |
| aquatix | :) | 22:18 |
| aquatix | timeless: i think that makes it clear | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for app_manager_removing_catalogue. let the user look it up in the manual what it means | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:19 |
| aquatix | as the applications themself stay installed of course | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:19 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: :P | 22:19 |
| timeless | stskeeps: we actually shipped diablo w/ some unlocalized things | 22:19 |
| * timeless can't remember where they were | 22:19 | |
| aquatix | ah, app_manager_dont_use_this_itll_kill_your_mother ? | 22:20 |
| herzi | okay, my app crashes when shutting down, is there a way to debug this using gdb? or look at a core dump file? | 22:20 |
| herzi | Stskeeps: ping | 22:20 |
| timeless | herzi: mkdir /media/mmc1/core-dumps | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, what timeless said | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | (or mmc2, look at sysctl -a | grep core-dumps) | 22:21 |
| herzi | Stskeeps: I almost fixed your first sapwood issue (the inf-loop-on-short-request) | 22:21 |
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| timeless | /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | herzi: i'm glad to hear that :) - we have a patch for the alignment issue now, tested on zaurus but waiting out on 770 testing (other reasons we think) | 22:22 |
| herzi | Stskeeps: I sold my n770, otherwise I'd happily test it there | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | herzi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/sapwood/revision/177 | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | we'd very much like to support the 770's too, so that's why we're a bit engaged in the bugs | 22:23 |
| herzi | Stskeeps: don't mind, I still have the plan to keep sapwood # of reported bugs as close to 0 as possible | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i think these two are about the only two directly encountered :) | 22:24 |
| herzi | but of course, if nokia want's something urgently, they have precendence | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | obviously | 22:24 |
| herzi | there was another one in the public bug tracker some time ago, I think | 22:24 |
| dneary | Minutes from the web design meeting away | 22:27 |
| * Stskeeps notes to himself he really needs to get the 19" touchscreen in his office working.. | 22:28 | |
| timeless | ok, since we're filing bugs against all these strings | 22:28 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po?mark=883-888#870 | 22:28 |
| timeless | " | 22:28 |
| timeless | Device will restart after installation and all applications will be closed.\n | 22:28 |
| timeless | Do not use the device during this time.\n | 22:28 |
| timeless | Creating backup is recommended." | 22:28 |
| timeless | --- | 22:28 |
| timeless | am i alone in thinking this thing didn't make sense? | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i was thinking of yoda a bit :) | 22:29 |
| timeless | i have a replacement, so think about it a bit, and then tell me when you want to see the replacement | 22:29 |
| timeless | actually | 22:30 |
| timeless | has anyone ever gotten that message? | 22:31 |
| timeless | because... i haven't, so i don't actually know what it does | 22:31 |
| lcuk | Updating your computer is almost computer is almost complete. You must restart your computer for the updates to take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now? | 22:31 |
| timeless | i'm just betting it doesn't do what it says it will do | 22:31 |
| lcuk | -doubling ;) | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it comes when updating via ssu iirc | 22:31 |
| timeless | yeah, it should | 22:31 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: awaiting the imaging now | 22:31 |
| timeless | that little i can infer from the message | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just click through everything in h-a-m these days. | 22:31 |
| timeless | but the question is... | 22:32 |
| timeless | does it close your apps before or after it reboots | 22:32 |
| timeless | if after, why? | 22:32 |
| timeless | or how | 22:32 |
| timeless | :) | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright | 22:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs @ https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card_770_version | 22:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't need a 770 version | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | as the regular version should work fine with the 770. | 22:33 |
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| timeless | right... so | 22:35 |
| timeless | am i wrong in thinking that the apps close before it reboots? :) | 22:35 |
| * aquatix misses the part where it makes me coffee | 22:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably. | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But with Nokia you could never be sure. | 22:36 |
| timeless | i'm probably wrong? :( | 22:36 |
| timeless | lol | 22:36 |
| aquatix | timeless: it implies the wrong order | 22:36 |
| timeless | good | 22:36 |
| timeless | bug filing in 3.2.. | 22:36 |
| aquatix | but it's also just a warning | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | a reboot normally implies it'll close the applications ;) | 22:36 |
| timeless | yah think? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | as in, they cease to exist :> | 22:37 |
| aquatix | like "Device will restart after installation; mind that all applications will be closed" | 22:37 |
| timeless | i think actually that what it does is: | 22:37 |
| timeless | 1. kill everything | 22:37 |
| timeless | 2. update junk | 22:37 |
| timeless | 3. reboot | 22:37 |
| timeless | 4. update more junk | 22:37 |
| timeless | but what it implies is: | 22:37 |
| timeless | 1. update junk | 22:37 |
| timeless | 2. reboot | 22:37 |
| timeless | 3. kill everything | 22:37 |
| aquatix | the killing is done by rebooting? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't we just skip the boring stuff and go to "kill everything"? :) | 22:37 |
| timeless | anyway, feel free to browse the last couple of bugs filed in bugs.maemo.org | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Booting_from_a_flash_card_770_version <- thoughts. | 22:37 |
| aquatix | it could be correct | 22:38 |
| aquatix | as you can update while stuff is runnnig | 22:38 |
| timeless | this is for an osupdate_Restart | 22:38 |
| timeless | so i highly doubt it's correct | 22:38 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: was thinking of "kill everyone" rather | 22:38 |
| timeless | it'd be nice if someone actually paid attn when they got that dialog | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Apps programmed to listen to quit events using libosso get closed before the update starts | 22:38 |
| aquatix | timeless: it's a dialog, why would they pay attention? | 22:38 |
| timeless | qwerty: cool, that's precisely what i was looking for | 22:38 |
| aquatix | timeless: just bash "Yes" or "OK" | 22:38 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: erm, isn't that a tad geeky? | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, ah, right. That. Thanks. :D | 22:39 |
| aquatix | now users go "WTF is libosso" | 22:39 |
| timeless | ok, next | 22:39 |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po?mark=838-840#820 | 22:39 |
| aquatix | or maybe i should just go get some sleep | 22:39 |
| timeless | 840 msgstr "Certificate name is invalid or does not match the name of the server" | 22:39 |
| timeless | can someone suggest what it would mean for a certificate name to be invalid? :) | 22:40 |
| aquatix | it contains crippled characters? | 22:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't do certs. | 22:40 | |
| timeless | supposing it did contain crippled characters | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: i think i've seen similar error in openssl really | 22:40 |
| timeless | would it match the server name? | 22:40 |
| timeless | (the answer should obviously be no) | 22:41 |
| aquatix | indeed | 22:41 |
| timeless | so that portion is superfluous, no? | 22:41 |
| aquatix | not sure | 22:41 |
| aquatix | is the name of a cert the domain it's for? | 22:41 |
| aquatix | not necessarily right? | 22:41 |
| timeless | well, cert names could be other things | 22:41 |
| timeless | ip addresses | 22:42 |
| timeless | user@host | 22:42 |
| lcuk | doesnt that kind of msg come up when you have a cert for www.example.com but are on example.com | 22:42 |
| timeless | but the point is, it either matches the host or it doesn't | 22:42 |
| timeless | lcuk: it should, yes | 22:42 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yeah, domain mismatch | 22:42 |
| aquatix | but i wonder about the invalid name | 22:42 |
| lcuk | well the same msg is in outlook2007 | 22:43 |
| aquatix | i say, keep it | 22:43 |
| aquatix | at least it's consistent with other ssl-using apps | 22:44 |
| aquatix | timeless: somehow i shiver at the thought of the Dutch translation | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it seems like we already have python-hildondesktop | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'll see what that means for getting applets on the home screen | 22:46 |
| * aquatix is gone for today | 22:46 | |
| Meiz_n810 | kourou could work? | 22:46 |
| aquatix | hf all | 22:46 |
| aquatix | timeless: don't lose hope in humanity yet ;) | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: ah, no, but all the python stuff from maemo could | 22:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay/ | 22:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | merinstaller just crashed | 22:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | When i tried to set up the userspace partition | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: alright, advanced mode? -> bman :P | 22:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | i think i know what causes it | 22:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | i am booted from internal card | 22:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | URL=http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.6.tar.gz latest? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's the latest published one, yeah | 22:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | ta | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-homediskfree.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-homediskfree2.png | 22:57 |
| timeless | aquatix: did you look at the dutch translation? | 22:57 |
| timeless | they"re all available at obvious urls | 22:57 |
| timeless | anyway, would people object to this: | 22:58 |
| timeless | "Certificate does not belong to this server | 22:58 |
| timeless | " | 22:58 |
| timeless | ? | 22:58 |
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| timeless | (actually, that's not great either, but the original still has the same problem) | 22:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: great! :) | 22:59 |
| timeless | there's a minor detail which is that the 'certificate' randomly appears | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: minor detail in package names though | 23:00 |
| timeless | if you're a user, you don't have any idea what a certificate has to do with an apple | 23:00 |
| timeless | or pear | 23:00 |
| timeless | or tomato | 23:00 |
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| timeless | I think one of my older suggestions was: | 23:01 |
| timeless | "Server sent someone else's certificate" | 23:01 |
| timeless | I think it was orginally worded: | 23:02 |
| timeless | "Server presented a stolen certificate" | 23:02 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: yay, armel build finally succeeded :-) | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i replaced the repository with ftp :P | 23:03 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah | 23:03 |
| * Jaffa goes to watch BSG | 23:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | lo b-man | 23:39 |
| b-man | hello | 23:39 |
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| * b-man had a crazy day today... | 23:41 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, join the club | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | 4 hours of sleep and exam | 23:42 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | High-five! | 23:43 |
| b-man | i just switched classes from sophmore business exploritory to sophmore construction exploritory... and now needs to deal with math (with semester change) | 23:44 |
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| lfelipe | hey, how can I launch an application from a Home Applet | 23:45 |
| lfelipe | without using rpc_run | 23:45 |
| lfelipe | ? | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lfelipe: look at personal launch, perhaps? | 23:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lfelipe, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/p/personal-launch/ | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Source: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/p/personal-launch/ | 23:47 |
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| lfelipe | personal launch uses xterm ? | 23:49 |
| lfelipe | I had just downloaded it, taking a look now | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | xterm? | 23:49 |
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| lfelipe | retVal=osso_rpc_async_run(osso,"com.nokia.xterm","/com/nokia/xterm","com.nokia.xterm","run_command",NULL,NULL,DBUS_TYPE_STRING,executable,DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | b-man|hacking, did Jaffa bug you about packing? | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure it's in the current section. | 23:52 |
| b-man|hacking | for extras? | 23:53 |
| b-man|hacking | ? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | er | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/current/correct/ | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | user/* | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|hacking: i'll hack up some proper packaging for you during the weekend i think | 23:53 |
| LinuxCode | any of you guys got a mac ? | 23:54 |
| * GeneralAntilles raises his hand hesitantly. | 23:54 | |
| b-man|hacking | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 23:54 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ever used entourage ? | 23:54 |
| LinuxCode | because i think that crap is not rfc compliant | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, many, many moons ago. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess it wasn't Entourage at the time. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rfc | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Random spam | 23:55 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, their encoding is wrong and marks a 1.4 scoring on spamassassin | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Microsoft, why do we care? | 23:55 |
| LinuxCode | as they exceeed the 76 character limit for quoted-printable | 23:55 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, I just wondered..I dont care about MS either... | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | but im getting grief from users of it | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody using OS X either uses Mail.app or GMail. | 23:56 |
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| LinuxCode | maill doesnt have the problem | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | yeh | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 23:56 |
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| LinuxCode | gaaar i hate mS | 23:56 |
| LinuxCode | thanks anyway | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | just wondered if there was a way to tell them to change the mime encoding | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | I myself dont have a mac nor entourage | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | and explaining to some idiot..is....impossible | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't had Office installed on here in years. | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, good on you haha | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make them switch to Mail. ;) | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | yeh | 23:57 |
| LinuxCode | seems the easiest option | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a better client anyway. | 23:58 |
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| LinuxCode | has to be... as it is RFC compliant | 23:58 |
| LinuxCode | at least it appears so | 23:58 |
| andre__ | just file a bug. bugzilla.microsoft.com :-P | 23:58 |
| LinuxCode | andre__, rofl | 23:58 |
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| andre__ | hey, it's all open source! :) | 23:58 |
| andre__ | uh wait... "microsoft", you said? damn, wasn't that this company that... | 23:59 |
| andre__ | anyway | 23:59 |
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