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| wazd | So, what should I do now?) | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: a well deserved beer? | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: oh noes, I should rest after yesterday's night :) | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: tea, milk, calm music :) | 00:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: sleep? | 00:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: nah, I had it too much today :) I'll write a post bout Mer's UI ideas I think) | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: objections against using the mer wallpaper in liberty? | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | as the default one | 00:07 |
| RST38h | A picture to torture Apple fanatics with: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/01/custom_1232216658125_smashed-computers.jpg | 00:07 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...Yahoo decided that my FF3 is a mobile browser | 00:09 |
| wazd_hp | Hah, I've found pretty fun thing :) | 00:09 |
| soap | don't see the smash - am I missing something? | 00:09 |
| wazd_hp | Another Andrew Zhilin has won a "new Emacs icon" contest :D | 00:10 |
| wazd_hp | http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/NewIcons.html | 00:10 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: of course no objections! just modify it as you want | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_hp: any objections against using liberty theme instead of titan for now? ;) | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | (http://zenvoid.org/tmp/screenshot1.png) | 00:11 |
| wazd_hp | Stskeeps: why would I object?) | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_hp: hehe | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | i just think it's nice to ask :P pretty darn easy to end up stepping on people's toes once in a while | 00:12 |
| wazd_hp | Stskeeps: wait... WHAT?! | 00:12 |
| wazd_hp | Stskeeps: :P | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | .. :P~ | 00:12 |
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| wazd_hp | Nokia's widget contest is totally lame | 00:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: still no response from them? | 00:15 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: with Mer background it will probably look better with more transparency in panels, as it I've made it for light backgrounds. I'll try to adjust it a bit for next version | 00:15 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: BTW, about your question for CC 2.5 in Debian: http://evan.prodromou.name/ccsummary/ccsummary.html | 00:16 |
| wazd_hp | RST38h: yep | 00:17 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: "debian-legal contributors think that works licensed solely under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license [BY] are not free according to the DFSG and should not be included in Debian." | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: oh boy, my favourite place, debian-legal | 00:17 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: hahaha | 00:17 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I've been involved in several flames there | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: google stskeeps debian-legal and google debian-legal unrealircd sometime | 00:20 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I will ;-) | 00:20 |
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| Stskeeps | which pretty much highlights my attitudes towards that place | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:21 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: they were worried by minor things with licenses, and totally happy to include artwork from *unknown places* located using a google image search | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:23 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: ... unknown authors, unkown copyright status... | 00:23 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: so I was angy, better don't search my thear, please | 00:23 |
| zenvoid | *thread | 00:23 |
| zenvoid | :-) | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | i just usually get suspicious if stuff looks pretty ;) | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | i still occasionally think to make my mer stuff beerware | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | that'll be a blast eventually | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:24 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: got that gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks package? | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | as in, source package | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | (what version is it, btw?) | 00:27 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I got suspicious when the readme file says "artwork taken from google search) and no authors for sound/music/icons/graphics are not mentioned in the copyright file | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:28 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: then I've found a lot of copyright strings doing grep /usr/share, and a lot of packages with artwork used without permision, and the fame started when I mass filed bugs | 00:29 |
| zenvoid | *flame | 00:29 |
| zenvoid | so CC 2.5 is not free, but those packages with artwork used without permission are OK | 00:30 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: I have here ubuntulooks 0.9.12-12 sightly patched. It is probably obsolete now | 00:33 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: do you want it? | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | Setting up gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks (0.9.12-12) ... | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sure | 00:33 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: oh! jaunty has the same version, so it is up to date :D | 00:36 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, yeah, that what was i pointed out | 00:37 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: uploaded to http://zenvoid.org/tmp/ | 00:38 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: the diff can be applied to the standard ubuntulooks in jaunty to get the patched one (colors and minor things) | 00:39 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: this diff I mean: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/ubuntulooks.diff | 00:39 |
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| wazd | fucking ISP | 00:40 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: pushing it through builder | 00:42 |
| wazd | while offline I thought that Mer would be awesome OS for instant launch | 00:42 |
| wazd | If it's possible | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_hp: boots in about 21 seconds | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | on x86 | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | (unoptimized9 | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | also it's like 500mb installed on x86 :P | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, maybe | 00:43 |
| * b-man is irritated, gdm is not starting in ubuntu again :( | 00:44 | |
| b-man | and i do have fb_update_mode auto in /etc/rc.locale | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zenvoid, when using upstart in your chinook fork, did your tablet hang when shutting down? (I'm guessing not...) | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | who shuts down their tablets? ;) | 00:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 does | 00:45 | |
| * b-man when traveling | 00:46 | |
| zenvoid | qwerty12_N800: no, it works much better than the original maemo :P | 00:47 |
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| zenvoid | qwerty12_N800: I have custom startup/shutdown scripts. Ok, I'll dig into my archives and publish everything I think scould be useful, just give me a day or two | 00:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | zenvoid, hehe | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks! | 00:48 |
| * qwerty12_N800 just took the standard init compat ones provided :) | 00:48 | |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: shuld i just remove /sbin/fb_update_mode auto from /etc/rc.local? | 00:50 |
| b-man | oh, no | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: we dont have anything in rc.local anymore | 00:50 |
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| zenvoid | ... and also pached busybox to add an option to rmdir required by the postinstall scripts in some packages, it was applied upstream so probably is included in current busybox... | 00:52 |
| zenvoid | i really don't remember the things I've done, but there was a lot of changes | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | i still dont regret not going for busybox | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | having a sane unix system is so much better | 00:53 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: agree | 00:53 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hates bb, it belongs on routers & similar. Not tablets | 00:54 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, is bash the default shell? | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | dash | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | as in /bin/sh | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | bash is too fucking slow | 00:55 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: boot time may be better with bb, but I *think* it won't be any difference if using /bin/dash | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | i think the user shell is bash though | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how johnx set it up | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, wicked, that's the answer i'm looking for :) | 00:55 |
| zenvoid | dash can be used for system scripts and bash for user shell, I think it is the default in ubuntu | 00:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 set up bash-completion in maemo again. He remembers what he was missing when he typed mpc <tab> and saw mpc's options | 00:56 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 00:56 |
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| * b-man wants to smash something, gdm still will not start - and the rescue menu refuses to activate console | 00:58 | |
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| zenvoid | (going to sleep...) | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 00:59 |
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| * Stskeeps is fixing up hildon-desktop-env | 00:59 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | night | 00:59 |
| b-man | g'night | 00:59 |
| * b-man wonders why console refuses to start - everything needed is installed | 01:03 | |
| Stskeeps | fb_update_mode too? | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | fbcon modules? | 01:03 |
| b-man | yes, but it still won't start | 01:03 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 01:04 |
| b-man | if i boot into ubuntu without a splash, nothing happens | 01:04 |
| b-man | it just sits there saying "booting ubuntu .." | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | no clue at this point, sometimes bad things just happen :P | 01:06 |
| b-man | :( | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps | there was a reason i made an imager, cos i can usually trace back to what happened | 01:06 |
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| b-man | at least i made a tar.gz rootstrap | 01:07 |
| b-man | so i can re-install fast ;) | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have similar | 01:07 |
| * b-man checks if gnome is installible in mer with a little apt-pin tweeking | 01:10 | |
| Stskeeps | it really ought to be | 01:10 |
| Stskeeps | but i cannot promise ubuntu-desktop | 01:10 |
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| b-man | nope; gnome-themes-extras but it is not going to be installed; gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2) but it is not going to be installed; Depends: rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5) but it is not going to be installed; Depends: totem-mozilla but it is not going to be installed; Depends: serpentine but it is not going to be installed; Recommends: gnome-office (= 1:2.22.2~4ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed | 01:13 |
| b-man | gnome is not installible | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | figure out where it goes wrong | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | like, what breaks it :) | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | the point of mer is to find a middle way, so | 01:15 |
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| b-man | nope; libgnomevfs2-extra is not installible | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | report that on bugs.maemo.org will you? Extras -> Mer | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | so we can keep track of it | 01:16 |
| b-man | ok :) | 01:16 |
| Stskeeps | i know whats wrong and how it can be solved so | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: and then add the bug number to the wiki | 01:18 |
| b-man | bugs.maemo.org is refusing my maemo.org password/username :p | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they're separate | 01:19 |
| b-man | oh | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | (for some silly reason) | 01:20 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, -liberty theme forces me to try and remember if im in maemo or not | 01:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: awake? | 01:38 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: added bug report ;) - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4016 | 01:39 |
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| Stskeeps | and add to the sprint list? | 01:41 |
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| Stskeeps | (Bug reports in bugzilla discovered through or related to Mer development in this sprint) | 01:42 |
| b-man | i'm doing that now ;) | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 01:43 |
| * b-man is trying to figure out ware to add it without screwing things up :P | 01:45 | |
| Stskeeps | here, there's a number,number,number thing | 01:45 |
| b-man | (in the plane text) | 01:45 |
| Stskeeps | just add ,number | 01:45 |
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| churl | so i got an email saying that the westnoth no text displayed bug in diablo was fixed | 01:47 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: added it ;) | 01:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ta | 01:48 |
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| oli | does anyone have compiled iptables nat module for maemo kernel? | 01:51 |
| churl | anyone want to link me the addy that has the info for adding diablo extras repo? | 01:52 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 01:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. if infobot was here | 01:52 |
| churl | if only | 01:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 01:53 |
| churl | thanks | 01:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, iptables-ext in extras. | 01:53 |
| churl | google gave me the wiki.maemo for the diablo extras repo proposal | 01:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | & http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/netfilter-diablo.tgz | 01:53 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: where to extract it? when trying to insmod @ /home/user/.... got: cannot insert 'iptable_nat.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Run dmesg | tail and read error. you aren't insmodding in correct order | 01:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (and no, I don't know the order) | 01:59 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: can you add one thing in the installer? passwd root | 02:01 |
| Stskeeps | if it's not there already | 02:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/mer-ui-the-beginning/ | 02:02 |
| b-man | shure :) | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | lookin' | 02:02 |
| b-man | (i originaly removed it because Meizirkki requested me to) | 02:02 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: dont passwd user cos its not there, but passwd root is a good thing :P | 02:03 |
| b-man | ok | 02:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: definately getting a thumbs up from me :) | 02:03 |
| oli | hm, wtf is ' EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled' in dmesg? | 02:04 |
| Stskeeps | when it appears on planet | 02:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I've posted it 3 mins ago) | 02:04 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: planet goes down sometimes | 02:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: do i understand it right that to switch to another application, you need to tap two times? | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | first on mer, then on the app switcher, then on the app? | 02:05 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: actually you can tap once on quick switcher :) | 02:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i thought the sidebar popped down when clicking mer | 02:06 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: there's quick switcher on top | 02:06 |
| wazd | next to Mer | 02:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 02:06 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: my idea would be that you put two-windows icon on top instead, and fold out the larger list automatically | 02:07 |
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| Stskeeps | so it's two taps when we want more apps than in quick switcher | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | if anyone wants to start an app, three taps | 02:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: too complicated I think | 02:07 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 02:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: You'll need app launcher more often than large switcher | 02:08 |
| Stskeeps | i really should be reading for the Human-Computer Interaction exam i have on wednesday than trying to practice it.. | 02:08 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: way more | 02:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: just set the priorities of functionality :) | 02:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Mer menu can open on large swithcer for example but thats bad idea | 02:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm, that was what i suggested | 02:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: cause I want to have an app on "Mer menu -> center click" | 02:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh, than sorry, I missunderstood) | 02:10 |
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| * b-man trys out ssh and connects to his account on trac.tspre.org and cd's to / .....cool | 02:11 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe. dont mess around too much | 02:11 |
| b-man | i wont :) | 02:11 |
| churl | im at a loss. i followed the link to auto install extras, but it doesnt say what distro it's for once installed | 02:12 |
| b-man | your server's name is nit-debian? :) | 02:12 |
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| Stskeeps | churl: diablo probably | 02:13 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, its the same server hosting deblet | 02:13 |
| churl | Stskeeps: im hoping so, but if that's so, westnoth is still buggy | 02:13 |
| churl | said today to be fixed | 02:13 |
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| churl | ok, i had to disable a few more chinook repos, but that did the trick | 02:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox.png | 03:06 |
| Stskeeps | bwhahaha | 03:06 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, why can they cancel? where do they return to.. | 03:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: error message | 03:10 |
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| lcuk | ? the first thing they see is an error message? | 03:10 |
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| Stskeeps | they get an error message and it repeats the question | 03:11 |
| lcuk | what do 800 users do? | 03:12 |
| lcuk | is the vkb active? | 03:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 03:14 |
| lcuk | can they get back to this screen easily and does it matter if they enter something long and full or short and unixy? | 03:14 |
| Stskeeps | its the first boot wizard, so | 03:18 |
| Stskeeps | very simple, up for improvement | 03:18 |
| lcuk | im just wondering where it will be used | 03:18 |
| lcuk | though i asked the same question in liqbase and had the same questions asked | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | where it would be used? when you start your tablet first time :) | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | or what do you mean? | 03:19 |
| lcuk | i mean the information you supply. | 03:19 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be used for setting up your tablet user | 03:20 |
| Stskeeps | and it should probably explain that i guess :P | 03:20 |
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| lcuk | :) | 03:20 |
| lcuk | so its unixy names only really | 03:21 |
| lcuk | and not used for presentation | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 03:22 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, can the name have spaces? | 03:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 03:26 |
| Stskeeps | we use it to generate username and tablet name really | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, is it possible to do it in a more fluid way? like the xp install wizard http://www.netlaunch.net/images/tutorial%27s/Install%20windows%20(XP)/install_xp_netlaunch.net%2023.gif | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, probably | 03:31 |
| Stskeeps | we just needed something going really :) | 03:31 |
| lcuk | ie, with more information | 03:31 |
| lcuk | yeah understood, just thinking about all the questions people will have. if this is their first handheld you want to make it as nice as possible | 03:32 |
| lcuk | slick | 03:32 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, if the browser is upto snuff soon we could let people make dialogs with html :) | 03:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 03:37 |
| Stskeeps | we prolly just need glade + python script really | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | but thats a higher bar for creative types | 03:38 |
| aquatix | hey all | 03:40 |
| lcuk | hiya aquatix | 03:40 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 03:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: still, a vm image has a lot of interesting potential uses | 03:42 |
| lcuk | what do you mean? | 03:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, one is development, instant testing if it looks fine on the devices, etc | 03:43 |
| Stskeeps | another is showcase of your mobile app | 03:43 |
| lcuk | i mean, when did i say it wasnt? | 03:43 |
| Stskeeps | you didnt :) | 03:43 |
| lcuk | mobile app gets showcased natively in x86 :) | 03:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just a bit insomniac, so heading to bed soon :P | 03:44 |
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| lcuk | heh yeah tis late, but i had a kebab so cant lie down fora while | 03:44 |
| aquatix | :) | 03:44 |
| * aquatix is at a nerdy party | 03:44 | |
| aquatix | as many laptops as attendees | 03:44 |
| lcuk | my main problem with vmware and xephyr and emulators is lack of xv :'( | 03:44 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: saw my screenshot above? :> | 03:46 |
| Stskeeps | ( http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png | 03:47 |
| aquatix | ooh | 03:47 |
| aquatix | that's rather nice | 03:48 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller_1.9.1-1_armel.deb - provides root password step, mer icon, and a desktop file selector in postinst for placing the file ware you like :) | 03:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: thanks, - which url does it point to? | 03:49 |
| b-man | url? | 03:49 |
| b-man | oh, 0.6 | 03:49 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 03:49 |
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| LostIcons | Can someone give me a hand? I've been trying to figure out how to move icons within menu on my N810 using OS2008. | 05:34 |
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| LostIcons | Anyone? | 05:35 |
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| b-man | go to settings > control pannel > pannel > orginise | 05:39 |
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| LostIcons | Fantastic. | 05:45 |
| LostIcons | Thank you. | 05:45 |
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| b-man | your welcome :) | 05:49 |
| yigal | I have an 8gb card. I want to use it 1. for maemo, 2. for some debian chroot, and 3. for maemo mapper any advice on how to partition it? I have a 1gb card to go with it for a total of 9gb + .5gb internal - I'm on an n800 with an external gps | 05:51 |
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| b-man | you will have to use sfdisk to partition it, hold on, i'll post an example | 05:54 |
| yigal | b-man: I have an example from http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 05:55 |
| LostIcons | Is there a way to do a system reload without having to reload the OS? | 05:56 |
| LostIcons | I bought mine used and I'm unsure what is factory and what is the previous owners changes. | 05:56 |
| LostIcons | My unit has odd partitioning or I'm just unfamiliar with how it shows it. | 05:57 |
| b-man | yigal: ok, how many partitions are you going to use and how big are thay? | 05:57 |
| yigal | b-man: I think this is where I need help, 1. how many partitions would be good | 05:58 |
| yigal | ? | 05:58 |
| yigal | should I put the chroot on its own chroot? | 05:58 |
| yigal | excuse me chroot on its own partition :) | 05:58 |
| b-man | 2, i'd suggest, 1 for debian and 1 for the other stuff | 05:59 |
| yigal | maemo mapper on its own partition, or just do a dumb large partition for everything | 05:59 |
| yigal | cool | 05:59 |
| yigal | b-man: I'm thinking of just using easy debian unless there's an advantage rolling my own? | 06:00 |
| b-man | remember to make the first fat16 and the other linux83 for debian ;) | 06:00 |
| yigal | b-man: right | 06:00 |
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| yigal | b-man: so basically use the advice given http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card but scale up for the size card I'm using | 06:01 |
| yigal | ? | 06:01 |
| b-man | yes | 06:01 |
| b-man | sfdisk -uM for megabytes | 06:02 |
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| b-man | (makes things a lot more sain) | 06:03 |
| yigal | b-man: yes, that does :) | 06:03 |
| yigal | b-man: ok time to ssh into it and do it :), I'm stoked | 06:05 |
| b-man | also, as an example, you can use ,500,C for a 500mb fat 32 partition and ,500,L for linux83 ;) | 06:05 |
| b-man | sweet | 06:05 |
| yigal | b-man: I can partition on my laptop correct? | 06:06 |
| yigal | s/can/could | 06:06 |
| yigal | b-man: or is the idea to do everything on the n8x0 :) | 06:07 |
| b-man | you can, but i'm not shurehow (i use my tablet exclusively untill i eventually get my Dell Studio 15) | 06:08 |
| b-man | you can do everything on the tablet ;) | 06:08 |
| yigal | b-man, if I had a working keyboard for it I would also, until then it's ssh then | 06:08 |
| yigal | b-man: I know that is why I have one | 06:09 |
| b-man | hehe | 06:09 |
| b-man | you can partition it from the terminal, you don't need ssh btw ;) | 06:10 |
| yigal | b-man: it's the typing bit, that's all, maybe it would be good for practice, you're probably right | 06:10 |
| b-man | (useful if you do a lot of software testing like me) ;) | 06:12 |
| * b-man maintains the ubuntu jaunty for N8x0's project and am the maintainer for the installer for the mer project | 06:13 | |
| yigal | b-man: I haven't looked at trying jaunty on my n800, is it possible now - should I wait a while? | 06:14 |
| yigal | or mer | 06:15 |
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| b-man | it is possible now (however there are a still a fuew bugs to work out) | 06:15 |
| yigal | as in alpha testing, I think I'll wait a bit, but that's awesome | 06:16 |
| b-man | hehe :) | 06:16 |
| yigal | ah, I see your post on inerternettablettalk | 06:17 |
| yigal | thread | 06:17 |
| b-man | yup | 06:17 |
| yigal | cool, well I'll stick to debian and diablo for now | 06:17 |
| b-man | yeah - still in it's early stages of development | 06:18 |
| b-man | mer is fairly usable now thought | 06:18 |
| b-man | edit: though | 06:19 |
| * b-man needs some sleep, can't stay awake/think straight | 06:19 | |
| b-man | :) | 06:19 |
| yigal | thanks for the help, sleep it's a good thing | 06:19 |
| b-man | yeah - but it is only 11:18 here, i think i might have drank too much coffie - caffien has an oppisite effect on me | 06:21 |
| yigal | same here, well so to get a maemo partition of 5gb I use, sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk1 /dev/mmcblk1p1:1,5000,6 ? | 06:23 |
| yigal | same here, well so to get a maemo partition of 5gb I use, sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk1 /dev/mmcblk1p1:1,5000,C ? | 06:24 |
| b-man | double post? :) | 06:24 |
| yigal | no forgot about the prelude, just the s/6/C are changed | 06:24 |
| yigal | at the end | 06:24 |
| b-man | you shuld use sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk1 | 06:26 |
| b-man | ,2500,C | 06:26 |
| b-man | 2500,L | 06:26 |
| b-man | ,, | 06:26 |
| b-man | ,, | 06:26 |
| b-man | re; ,2500,L | 06:26 |
| yigal | so no initial start is required | 06:26 |
| yigal | or explicit end, cool | 06:26 |
| yigal | so I will need both the linux/vfat partitions for maemo | 06:27 |
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| b-man | yes, one for user space (vfat) and one for the filesystem (ext3 or ext2) | 06:28 |
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| yigal | I was thinking of using another card altogether for user space ext* will this work? | 06:29 |
| b-man | shure | 06:30 |
| yigal | so / is vfat and ~ is ext* ? | 06:30 |
| yigal | b-man: thanks for all of this info, you can stop anytime you need to | 06:30 |
| yigal | of course | 06:30 |
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| yigal | ok, very good :) | 06:35 |
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| b-man | yigal, you still here? | 07:06 |
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| yigal | b-man: yep, I've just started the flashing | 07:09 |
| yigal | I realized I could change ext2 -> ext3, and a few other things not in the tutorial so it's taken a while :) | 07:10 |
| b-man | ok, btw, the layout would be / is ext3 and ~ is vfat | 07:10 |
| b-man | hehe | 07:11 |
| yigal | b-man: interesting, makes sense, a linux device would have its kernel on a linux partition, are you more awake now? | 07:11 |
| b-man | yes, kinda (i'm laying in my bed but i'm more awake) | 07:12 |
| yigal | b-man: the energy flows through you now more than before, :) - didn't go with a custom bootmenu.conf, hopefully if I need to I can reinstall bootmenu by itself? | 07:13 |
| yigal | ah, I see not a big deal | 07:14 |
| yigal | I have to load ext3, so I have to have a custom bootmenu.conf, owell not a big deal | 07:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | infobot! :( | 08:10 |
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| bigbrovar | hi guys | 10:29 |
| bigbrovar | i was wondering if there is a maemo port of empathy IM | 10:30 |
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| Meiz_n810 | bigbrovar: try searching from gronmayer.com/it | 10:44 |
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| mrweasel | hi, i've tried to install screen rotation from http://sse2.net/rotate/ but the linkt to http://outpo.st/rotate/osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked_1%3a5.2008.43-7_all.deb is not working. seems like a typo, does anybody know the correct link? | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | http://outpo.st/rotate/ | 10:51 |
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| mrweasel | yes, that's how you get there | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, he removed the "auto install" | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, there used to be a link to an install file | 10:52 |
| mrweasel | is this patch different from the one the slide rotate program installs? | 10:53 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mrweasel: no, they use same patch i think | 11:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have had both installed at the same time | 11:00 |
| mrweasel | hm sadly the slide rotate patch stops working for me after some time.. especially after being connected to a network (sounds strange, i know) | 11:01 |
| mrweasel | trying the other thing now.. has been working for at least 5 minutes now.... | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | If it works before being connected then advanced-backlight should be able to let you rotate | 11:02 |
| mrweasel | yes should | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | But that depends on if rotation is actually installed properly | 11:02 |
| mrweasel | it works before with advanced backlight | 11:02 |
| mrweasel | but then after some undefined time it stops and clicking in advanced backlight simply does nothing but rotating the d-pad | 11:03 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ping | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | zzzzz | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | heh :/ | 11:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Just need you to check something, does this look correct: http://pastebin.com/d6125da2e | 11:07 |
| StsN800 | looks correct yea | 11:08 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, now I need to figure out a sane way of applying the fakeroot patch. | 11:09 |
| StsN800 | fakeroot patch? | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | From the readme: "Apply the fakeroot patch to fix the path separator bug (scratchbox uses ',' | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | as path separator to the standard qemu versions, the qemu-arm-eabi only | 11:10 |
| qwerty12 | accepts ':', as any normal person would)" | 11:10 |
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| qwerty12 | I guess I could echo the patch as part of the postinst | 11:10 |
| StsN800 | ah | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | (but then again, it's probably easier bundling it in the package) | 11:11 |
| StsN800 | yeah maybe | 11:11 |
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| StsN800 | saw http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png | 11:12 |
| StsN800 | ? | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | Now I have :) | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | Looks good :) | 11:12 |
| StsN800 | is nice to experiment on | 11:13 |
| Meizirkki | StsN800: i'm gonna follow your great idea to use Mer inside virtualbox :P | 11:13 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 11:14 |
| Meizirkki | i can mess with marquee-plugins without worrying about reinstall (it's possible to do state-snapshots in virtualbox? | 11:14 |
| StsN800 | Meiz_n810, use a livecd without ui, more productive | 11:14 |
| StsN800 | possibly | 11:15 |
| * Meizirkki is trying to get splashscreen for x86 | 11:16 | |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, Gonna use "patch --forward --quiet -p1 /scratchbox/tools/bin/fakeroot-tcp < /scratchbox/tools/bin/fakeroot.patch" for the fakeroot patch. Sounds dodgy? | 11:17 |
| StsN800 | anything involving scratchbox is dodgy | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | I'll leave testing of the package to someone else, I've already install qemu-arm-eabi manually :P | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | s/install/installed/ | 11:19 |
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| StsN800 | hehe | 11:22 |
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| StsN800 | im gonna doze off for 30 mins or so | 11:26 |
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| Jaffa | Morning | 11:27 |
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| Meiz_n810 | morning Jaffa | 11:42 |
| * Jaffa is having media PC hangs (hopefully not h/w related). If it is h/w related, pondering replacing with a NAS in the loft and a BeagleBoard for playback | 11:51 | |
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| pupnik | OMAP3 graphics demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ0Vr8LjYk Treed3D 2.0 - Alternative Party 2008 invitation | 12:04 |
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| stv0 | hi | 12:38 |
| stv0 | anybody uses esbox together with eclipse 3.4 aka ganymede? | 12:39 |
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| Anidel | I don't | 12:39 |
| stv0 | with the latest feature build 1.4.1 | 12:39 |
| stv0 | i got a lot of errors | 12:39 |
| stv0 | the newer 2.x versions are only available as complete integration builds, not just as plugins | 12:39 |
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| qwerty12 | StsN800, if around, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/qemu-eabi-cputransp-sbox_svn5391_i386.deb | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | mornin maemo ppl | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | morning lcuk | 12:46 |
| Anidel | morning to you lcuk | 12:47 |
| RST38h | ehlo, lcuk, qwerty | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 12:47 |
| Anidel | isn't "ehlo" in the mail protocol? the response sent by the mail server? | 12:48 |
| lcuk | question about mer that came up whilst dozing off - do we know the extent of modifications people are gonna require to port chinook/diablo apps to it? | 12:48 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, no, its the greeting sent by the client to indicate it wants advanced smtp | 12:49 |
| lcuk | balls | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, no, its the greeting sent by the client to indicate it wants advanced smtp | 12:49 |
| Anidel | oh yeah, right... | 12:49 |
| lcuk | the server should reply to RST38h specifically with "go away, we don't want your type round here" :P | 12:50 |
| Anidel | ahah | 12:50 |
| Anidel | I am connecting to IRC by sshing to my remote machine and using ircii. I am running a command like: ssh <host etc> irc -d -c #maemo <server,nick,password>.. but you guys, by any chanche, know how to tell it I'm using a regular xterm terminal? I tried prepending "export TERM=xterm;" to the ssh command, but it worked half way | 12:52 |
| Anidel | I suppose there should be an ssh parameter... hopefully | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: not that many so far.. it is gcc4 so people are getting through that process as well with fremantle | 13:01 |
| Anidel | found the way | 13:01 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, thought as much :) thats good to know. can i install gcc4 on my tablet now?> | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, anytime, with mer :P | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | heh you know what i mean | 13:02 |
| lcuk | minimal disruption at this point | 13:02 |
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| * johnx_ returns | 13:02 | |
| Anidel | stupid me, ssh tunnels. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | morning jott | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | er | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx | 13:03 |
| johnx_ | mornin' Stskeeps | 13:03 |
| lcuk | johnx_, from sleep, or time travelling? | 13:03 |
| johnx_ | from work O_o | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png | 13:03 |
| johnx_ | and too little sleep | 13:03 |
| johnx_ | very, very slick. is that 800x600? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i changed theme to liberty from titan btw | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | and first-boot-wizard is on ~mer-committers now | 13:04 |
| johnx_ | great, if I touch it I'll push to mer-committers | 13:04 |
| Meizirkki | i give up with splash screen :( | 13:04 |
| lcuk | good - the tablets aren't waterproofed yet | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hehe, it didnt look 100% trivial either | 13:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, out of the box does mer include gcc and buildessentials? | 13:06 |
| Meizirkki | make says: No rule to make target 'uplash-theme-mer.c.o' needed by 'usplash-theme-mer.so' :( | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: apt-get install build-essential | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | and there it is | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/qemu-eabi-cputransp-sbox_svn5391_i386.deb | 13:07 |
| lcuk | are most of the -dev libs available? | 13:08 |
| bigbrova1 | . | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: all of them | 13:08 |
| * lcuk smiles | 13:08 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: just update as "needs testing" and point to the deb, and we'll get to it | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, k | 13:08 |
| lcuk | very technical q: whats the possibility of pushing the cpu beyond 400? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 13:09 |
| lcuk | hence not specifically at you sts ;) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:09 |
| * Stskeeps is trying to get his breakfast down and have his morning coffee | 13:09 | |
| lcuk | i have to wait for coffee | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | Probably not gonna happen, I hear the tablet can require a cold flash if you have even the dsp/cpu running at 200/400 | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: what did you change in nit-kernel-compat btw? | 13:11 |
| lcuk | ok, reasonable. alternatives - can we reduce the subset of daemons and services running to optimize specific tasks - would it make a difference (like in old windows days you would close down everything to run games better) | 13:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nothing much, I just made it generate the md5sum file for it | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, so it was broken before? then i don't have it in 0.6 jffs :P | 13:12 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, the script is the same :D | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, and i just noticed the nit-kernel-compat wasnt in the list of packages to install :P | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | nooooooo | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | or maybe, sec | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it is there | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | *sigh* :P | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | so what do you mean generate md5sum? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | Setting up nit-kernel-compat (0.2) ... | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | I forgot to add dh_md5sums so you wouldn't have a debian/md5sums file | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | For a system file, I think it helps :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 13:16 |
| * Stskeeps gets at testing the new image | 13:20 | |
| * qwerty12 bitchslaps busybox's sleep for not supporting decimal numbers | 13:21 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, fair notice btw, - there's an openssh-server installed on the image, but it does not (as i first hoped) make the keys upon first boot | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | so everyone with same image has same ssh server keys, but it is a bitch getting into the images without usb cable or a ssh :P | 13:23 |
| * qwerty12 prepares to launch ssh attack when tablets with mer connect to net | 13:23 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:23 |
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| * qwerty12 cannae wait for the images though :) | 13:24 | |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I can do something about that in first-boot-wizard I bet | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: yes, and setting root password so you can actually ssh in :P | 13:24 |
| johnx_ | hmm, maybe even ask to copy keys from rootfs if they exist | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | or user password, one of these | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: nah, we might be running from rootfs ourselves | 13:25 |
| johnx_ | hence 'if they exist' :) | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:25 |
| johnx_ | makes testing easier since if it pulls the same DHCP address ssh'ing to it from a desktop will fail until the user edits known hosts | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | and then i'll try b-mans installer today and see if it breaks my other SD card ;) | 13:28 |
| johnx_ | breaks or formats? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | formats | 13:28 |
| johnx_ | though breaks would have been pretty awesome :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | i still maintain GA's idea of a watchdog that shows a cracked LCD on the LCD would do the trick | 13:29 |
| johnx_ | :D | 13:30 |
| * Stskeeps is kinda tired of launchpad | 13:31 | |
| lcuk | does mer installer work directly from within the original working OS? my n800 is stuck in os2007 cos it wont flash. | 13:31 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, what's up with it now? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: slow, occasionally breaks the most import tool, the viewing the SCM | 13:32 |
| lcuk | hi there disco_stu | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | important | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, it does - it needs the deblet bootmenu however | 13:32 |
| lcuk | the 800 connects fine to the internet | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-env/revision/17 <- changed this wallpaper handling | 13:33 |
| lcuk | it just wont accept a flashing | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | as liberty wasnt acting as expected | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: weird it won't accept flashing | 13:33 |
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| lcuk | yeah i tried all combinations, when booted to the OS it works and I can copy files between my desktop and 800 | 13:34 |
| lcuk | but when i press and hold from boot it just sits with usb icon on the tablet and the flasher just doesnt see it | 13:34 |
| qwerty12 | In linux or windows? | 13:35 |
| lcuk | tried both | 13:35 |
| qwerty12 | bollox | 13:35 |
| lcuk | windows on the main desktop, linux on the x41 | 13:35 |
| johnx_ | so if we have 0xffff compiled for arm can we have one n8x0 flash another? | 13:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | lcuk: what about haxoring os08 rootfs in :P (sorry, i really have no idea what i am talking about :) ) | 13:35 |
| lcuk | that involves complex cabling | 13:36 |
| lcuk | Meiz_n810, i welcome all hand waving suggestions | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810, you could probably do that with the chinook one... | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | is it the rootfs that controls the usb update? | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | nope, nolo | 13:36 |
| lcuk | can i update that from inside the device itself? | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, don't think this is a flasher problem but have you tried "If you are running a newer kernel and you get "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" but nothing happens when you switch on the 770 as instructed above, try to patch the flasher: perl -pi -e 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;' -i.backup $FLASHER, where $FLASHER is the location of your flasher 2.0 linux binary. This applies also for flasher-3.0. " | 13:37 |
| lcuk | incase its that that is corrupt | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, *very* risky | 13:37 |
| lcuk | yeah i tried that | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: what error do you get btw? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i was doing a whole lot of usb snooping on the x41 and it wasnt even detected | 13:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | lcuk, install mer, boot into it, kick os08 rooft into flash chroot to install latest kernel... etc :P | 13:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, no device detected | 13:38 |
| lcuk | but when the OS was installed it detected ok | 13:38 |
| lcuk | os was booted up to desktop ^ | 13:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | There was another guy having similar problems with n800, he called nokia and they said it cannot be upgraded anymore | 13:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | on itT | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the way i do it is turn off device completely, connect usb to computer, then start flasher, and then insert charger | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | which never seems to fail for me :P | 13:39 |
| lcuk | its just frustrating cos i wanna test forward camera (the main reason why its here) | 13:39 |
| johnx_ | also, I have seen hubs and cables that are honestly borderline | 13:39 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, no charger involved, 100% full battery, doing as you say (including a battery pop to ensure its switched off completely first) and holding correct button gets me the USB icon holding on screen. | 13:40 |
| lcuk | it is simply not detected at all | 13:40 |
| lcuk | and as soon as i unplug the USB cable itself the usb icon goes away and it boots to os | 13:40 |
| lcuk | and when i replug the cable its detected and working as a disk | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: odd | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | anything odd in dmesg? | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, if worst comes to worst, how good are your soldering skills? :-) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | nothing in the mdesg of the laptop | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: oh, i meant tablet | 13:41 |
| lcuk | i used to work on the diagnostics and repair at a factory creating coin mechs for slot machines :) i can unsolder and resit smt :) | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, didnt think i would have dmesg cos isnt it a different os part? | 13:42 |
| lcuk | i will check though, gimme a mo | 13:42 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, You may have to resort to the N800 equivalent of http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php :/ | 13:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25869 | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: the idea of meiz's to flash from within mer isn't completely silly either | 13:43 |
| lcuk | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo if i have to resort to that ill just get myself a beagle and shove it inside the shell of the 800 ;) | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you'll end up with an incomplete system | 13:44 |
| lcuk | (quite a good weekend project though) | 13:44 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: saw the android "bootloader" :P http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/investigation_of_an_inelegant_installer/ | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: cos of nolo not being updated, or? | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes and probably a little more | 13:45 |
| lcuk | havent had my big tablet on in a couple of weeks :) | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: no surprises.. i'm still not going to shell out 300$ for a developer license :P | 13:45 |
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| Meiz_n810 | lcuk: doesn't look promising... "Thanks for the advice but the Nokia tech said I could try whatever I would like but there will never be a chance to get mine to flash to a newer system than whats on it. " | 13:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is that ontop of the hardware? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: which? | 13:46 |
| lcuk | the dev license | 13:46 |
| johnx_ | 480x320 is probably a little slim for maemo... | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: 25$ android market site fee, and then 399$ for device that is unlocked | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | and you can only get one device per developer account | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: mer on freerunner could be interesting though | 13:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx_: i could try how Mer looks like on 480x320 :P | 13:47 |
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| Meiz_n810 | lxrandr is a nice tool :) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | Meiz_n810, yeah thats my prob gonna bump it so its in my notes :) | 13:47 |
| * Stskeeps tries untarring his mer image again | 13:48 | |
| Stskeeps | think the sd card is dying | 13:48 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I had similar problem once | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | you know what load applet really needs? I/O measurement | 13:48 |
| * qwerty12 votes for killing of root processes | 13:49 | |
| Stskeeps | that too | 13:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i once accidentally partitioned my mmc when it was mounted. After rebooting everything was gone... | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | Although, I wonder if you can setuid() a applet? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i think "sudo kill" is a better thing | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, I guess *reluctant* :P | 13:50 |
| lcuk | Meiz_n810, ouch | 13:51 |
| stv0 | hi, how do i update my apt cache in scratchbox? fakeroot apt-get update? is this correct? | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | â–² | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | â–² â–² | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | stv0, that should work | 13:52 |
| lcuk | going mountain climbing qwerty? | 13:52 |
| stv0 | Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, hmm, that's an idea... :P | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, re flashing from the device, it may be possible but then again if it bricks, you'd need to make a serial cable anyway | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | mmm | 13:55 |
| stv0 | wget and ping work out in scratchbox | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | svu: resolv.conf? | 13:55 |
| johnx_ | suihkulokki, so in terms of hackiness, how do we fare compared to the debian/g1 people? :) | 13:55 |
| stv0 | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | What's the output of "which apt-get" ? | 13:56 |
| stv0 | /usr/bin/apt-get | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | devkit isn't set up properly then, mine is /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/apt-get | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | s/devkit/target/ | 13:57 |
| stv0 | ah ok, my fault | 13:57 |
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| stv0 | thanks | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | root@192.168.98.3's password: | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | Linux mer-tablet 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 2 10:13:06 EEST 2008 armv6l | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 13:58 |
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| * GeneralAntilles yawns loudly. | 13:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, did you see the TI guy you need to hook on -developers? | 14:00 |
| johnx_ | hey GeneralAntilles | 14:00 |
| * lcuk shoves an ardvark in GeneralAntilles's mouth | 14:00 | |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, where's the link for the latest? | 14:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles chews quietly. | 14:00 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | You know, every time we add a new product to Bugzilla the first thing that happens is somebody files a blocker. | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I spazz out when I see the bold red in the recent changes list. <_< | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | "What? Maemo doesn't ship gnome. INVALID!!!" | 14:01 |
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| johnx_ | blocker: Mer is not yet on any device capable of running it. | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: putting it up now | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: valid bug though, we're missing a transitional package for libosso-gnomevfs2-extra | 14:01 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, :D. I'll install and bash out some changes to first-boot-wizard | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, valid for _Mer_. :P | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was the same when we added Canola. | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't advanced backlight in it too once? | 14:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It is, we never got a blocker, though. | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll probably kill me if i submit the bug "backlight control doesn't work on x86" | 14:04 |
| lcuk | hehehehe | 14:04 |
| lcuk | does rotation | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | if x server does xrandr, i presume so | 14:04 |
| lcuk | on my x41 it needs to be upsidedown | 14:04 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, how about following up to that bug with a binary patch to replace backlight applet with advanced-backlight? :D | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: saw http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png ? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, im spamming that url around, bit proud its even possible) | 14:05 |
| johnx_ | heh. I didn't even notice nm-applet working nicely in it the first time :) | 14:05 |
| johnx_ | really, though. congrats :) | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's darn simple to set up really | 14:06 |
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| lardman | morning | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 14:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman | 14:06 |
| lcuk | morning, has your problem been solved | 14:06 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 14:06 |
| lardman | my problem? Hangover - yeah paracetamol are doing their thing ;) | 14:07 |
| * lcuk thinks he was drooling on his keyboard, error: too much wine | 14:07 | |
| lardman | note to self, do listen to the nurse when she says that typhoid vaccine + alcohol don't mix | 14:08 |
| johnx_ | eep | 14:08 |
| lcuk | !! | 14:08 |
| lcuk | depends on the calibre of the nurse though | 14:09 |
| lcuk | ie, nubile nurse who you dont listen to because you are looking in her eyes, or experienced matron who mothered you | 14:09 |
| lcuk | when you have recovered have a look here anyway, https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapzoom/wiki/ https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapbridge/wiki/ | 14:10 |
| lcuk | its omap3 dsp and optimization projects | 14:10 |
| lcuk | working with poky linux and stuff, might be of interest | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/zImage_inittablet.tar.bz2 was latest? | 14:11 |
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| lardman | lol @ lcuk :) | 14:12 |
| lardman | yes, thanks I've seen those | 14:12 |
| lardman | I was hoping to have started doing some omap3 stuff by now, but the Pandora has obviously slipped back from the end of Nov delivery I was looking at :( | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, purty. | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, Beagle. :P | 14:13 |
| lcuk | lardman, one of these would work for me :D https://omapzoom.org/fckeditor/editor/filemanager/img.php?file=26 | 14:13 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yeah, Pandora wasn't going to be much dearer and has a case, etc. | 14:13 |
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| lardman | though now I see my thinking was flawed | 14:14 |
| lcuk | though thats a phone formfactor | 14:14 |
| lcuk | +1 lardman, the case is important | 14:14 |
| johnx_ | I'm starting to get plans for a beagle, but will wait for rev c1 | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: btw, zImage is about as compressed as can be | 14:14 |
| lcuk | im watching beagle people and seeing lots of hits from xv running | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | bz2ing it too doesnt help much | 14:14 |
| lardman | I'll just hold my horses for the Pandora (or just go straight to the n900 assuming the Pandora keeps being delayed) | 14:15 |
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| * lardman just bought a wiimote | 14:15 | |
| lcuk | first one? | 14:15 |
| lcuk | or have you got a wii as wlel | 14:15 |
| lardman | no, just the remote | 14:15 |
| johnx_ | lcuk, of course it has xv O_o | 14:15 |
| lcuk | johnx seeing things about optimizing it and certain exotic options not working | 14:16 |
| johnx_ | well, that should also be expected :) | 14:16 |
| lcuk | mostly relating to mplayer but obviously its parallel tracks with me | 14:16 |
| johnx_ | it's sooo nice to have a lot of linux people really targetting one platform for a while | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | lardman, we are all behind on our schedules, i wanted a nice widget by now, but had to change direction over xmas | 14:17 |
| johnx_ | s/platform/SoC/ | 14:17 |
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| lardman | lcuk: well maemo-barcode (to be renamed) is almost running now, so I'm not too far behind | 14:17 |
| lcuk | good, theres an entry point waiting :P | 14:18 |
| lcuk | void dobarcodescan(){ /* put code here */ } :D | 14:18 |
| lardman | painful learning GTK+/SQLite stuff on an hour a day or so | 14:18 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed, like with most stuff i digest it to learn what i need - ie i wrote a little brain class which interfaced with sqlite to learn how to create/open/maketalbes/read/write etc | 14:19 |
| lcuk | tables | 14:19 |
| lardman | I decided to sit down and write the app, then get it running - otherwise I would have lost the will to code it | 14:20 |
| lardman | have been chasing segfaults for 2 days :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | ouchy, i build from little stable blocks, my creations dont come together until the pieces are all stable | 14:20 |
| lardman | I'd prefer that, but the SQLite and GUI stuff are all linked in, so decided to write it and get it down and then debug | 14:21 |
| lardman | s/linked in/linked together | 14:22 |
| lcuk | heh, don't we get shot for putting the database logic in the with ui :P | 14:22 |
| * lcuk does it in vb quite often | 14:22 | |
| lardman | model, view! | 14:23 |
| lardman | :) | 14:23 |
| lcuk | prototype, bind | 14:23 |
| lardman | perhaps, I'm sure it'll get ripped apart later on, but as a proof of concept | 14:23 |
| lcuk | heh ive spent the last year in a proof of concept | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | right, trying b-man's installer | 14:24 |
| lcuk | theres just so much stuff in linux to learn! my mind has literally come alive | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | cross fingers | 14:24 |
| * lardman wonders about printing 2 pages of course notes to one page of A4 to save photocopying | 14:24 | |
| * RST38h just changed Symbian code to dual bpp16/bpp32 support | 14:25 | |
| RST38h | would be surprising if it works the first time | 14:25 |
| lcuk | when the new version of liqbook comes out it will have the formats broken up from the ui, i will be including a couple of different things to read stuff :) | 14:25 |
| lardman | I was using liqbase yesterday (sat in the pub with new wiimote, trying to get it to work with n810) | 14:26 |
| lardman | worked very nicely | 14:26 |
| lardman | Was trying to read some .txt files | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | that's something about you english people.. "sat in the pub" and then some completely unrelated activity to drinking ;) | 14:26 |
| lcuk | i dont like the fileselect i made though :$ | 14:27 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: well pubs are warm and dry ;) | 14:27 |
| * lcuk promises the next one will be better | 14:27 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: where better to sit and hack while the missus is reading the paper | 14:27 |
| opengeekv2 | is andrew zhilin over here? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: wazd | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: don't think he's in right now, but usually | 14:28 |
| lcuk | opengeekv2, http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ | 14:28 |
| opengeekv2 | then's iv'e just readen its bolg | 14:28 |
| lcuk | .. | 14:28 |
| lcuk | hes got comments and possibly a mamil as well | 14:29 |
| lcuk | 14:29 | |
| * lcuk doesnt like the bounce on this keyboard | 14:29 | |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: so what brings you here? :) | 14:29 |
| opengeekv2 | i thoght that direct talking wold be better | 14:29 |
| opengeekv2 | oh i'm very interested in mer | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yes | 14:29 |
| lcuk | opengeekv2, are you a microsoft lawyer :D | 14:29 |
| opengeekv2 | and the UI desings of andrew | 14:29 |
| opengeekv2 | nooo please | 14:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: ah, then it's me you want to talk to (and some others) :) what about it? | 14:30 |
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| opengeekv2 | im a very yong IT student | 14:30 |
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| opengeekv2 | in spain | 14:30 |
| opengeekv2 | and i han an n800 | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, old computer science student here, finishing my masters degree in september | 14:30 |
| opengeekv2 | ohh! | 14:31 |
| opengeekv2 | i only want to give my opinion abot the desig posted today | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | if you're interested in mer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint is probably the best thing to read through to get an understanding of what we're doing with it | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah :) | 14:31 |
| opengeekv2 | but i don't know if i can help somehow | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | then you can probably use comments on the blog, so he has them archived | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | well if you study IT we can always need hands :P | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | opengeekv2, if you wanna talk to him he normally comes on a bit later | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | there he is | 14:32 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 14:32 |
| lcuk | mornin wazd | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: opengeekv2 is looking for you, - we checked he's not a lawyer from microsoft | 14:33 |
| opengeekv2 | yes but i warn you that my coding skills are awful | 14:33 |
| johnx_ | everyone has had very good timing lately :) | 14:33 |
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| johnx_ | opengeekv2, there's plenty to do for people of all levels | 14:33 |
| opengeekv2 | oh and what tasks do you have for me? | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: well, you can maybe start out by listing skills/hobbies you actually do have | 14:34 |
| lcuk | opengeekv2, you could start by creating a simple quick little opengl driver | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | then i'm sure we can point you in the right direction | 14:34 |
| johnx_ | and stuff you're interested in working on | 14:34 |
| opengeekv2 | it cold be interesting but? | 14:34 |
| opengeekv2 | do you think coding an opengel dirner is easy? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | opengeekv2, im pulling your leg, what do you use your n800 for, how would you like to use it in the future? | 14:35 |
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| opengeekv2 | ah i tink that it needs a PIM | 14:35 |
| opengeekv2 | a good pim | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | remind me to check how osmo looks on mer | 14:36 |
| opengeekv2 | ok | 14:36 |
| opengeekv2 | when? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | yes, agreedhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM | 14:36 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM | 14:36 |
| opengeekv2 | thanks | 14:36 |
| aquatix | maybe brush up pimlico's stuff? | 14:37 |
| lcuk | opengeekv2, have a read of that wiki page, and see if you can see anything we have missed :) | 14:37 |
| wazd | hello everybody :) | 14:37 |
| aquatix | hey wazd | 14:37 |
| aquatix | and hey all btw :) | 14:37 |
| opengeekv2 | hi wazd | 14:37 |
| * lardman grins maniacly realising why his fde code wasn't working | 14:37 | |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: hehe, was a reminder to myself :) basically, we need all sorts of work done on mer: artwork, themes, icons, debian packages, testers, people trying to figure out how to do stuff, UI designers, etc | 14:37 |
| opengeekv2 | i like UI desing | 14:38 |
| opengeekv2 | criticizing wazd desing is my speciality XD | 14:38 |
| lcuk | oooh, a ui design face-off :D come up with some ideas yourself | 14:39 |
| wazd | guards! | 14:40 |
| wazd | :P | 14:40 |
| opengeekv2 | oh in my opinion we wave to introduce traker into de menu | 14:40 |
| lcuk | constructive criticizm is good | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | agreed, thats the single search filter | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | search bar? doesn't it fit better in a home screen applet | 14:41 |
| lcuk | so when i type "liq" it lists all the files keyed up with liq - whether they are apps or docs | 14:41 |
| lcuk | no Stskeeps, this is lower level | 14:41 |
| wazd | lcuk: oh | 14:41 |
| lcuk | global search | 14:41 |
| opengeekv2 | yees | 14:41 |
| wazd | lcuk: that reminds me something :D | 14:41 |
| opengeekv2 | deskbar applet in gnome | 14:42 |
| lcuk | the pre has it, ive seen it described in other places | 14:42 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: osmo on Mer x86 http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerX86#5292612962848400802 | 14:42 |
| opengeekv2 | but in a menu on the sidebar | 14:42 |
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| wazd | opengeekv2: well, even I wrote bout it in new year series | 14:42 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yep, Pre has some nice global search | 14:42 |
| wazd | opengeekv2: #1 | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ineresting | 14:42 |
| lcuk | yeah it does | 14:42 |
| aquatix | bit like the palmos had for ages i guess | 14:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, how does global search not make it fit better in an applet? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: nm :) think i'll let the knowledged people bicker about it instead | 14:43 |
| lcuk | the UI might do, but the core tracker app has to be embedded in | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it would be better served as an applet, personally. | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sorry, I meant to tab-complete lcuk. | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how does global search not make it fit better in an applet? . . . | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I agree with you. ;) | 14:43 |
| wazd | First of all you should get "tab" to the keyboard I suppose :) | 14:44 |
| lcuk | tracker == the core system component which runs all the time, the desktop UI can be switched off | 14:44 |
| opengeekv2 | i think people use apletts to have information ever visible instantly and withot havin to touch anithing | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, so can the application menu, your point? | 14:44 |
| Meizirkki | wazd: we have :) | 14:44 |
| wazd | Meizirkki: oh) | 14:44 |
| johnx_ | the one thing about tracker/quicksearch is it quickly becomes pointless if it takes more than a second or two to start using | 14:44 |
| Meizirkki | wazd: ESC acts as a TAB too :P | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tracker is just the indexing and search API | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not an "app" per-se. | 14:45 |
| johnx_ | Meizirkki, that will hopefully go away | 14:45 |
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| wazd | Meizirkki: oh, standard maemo kb has tab. omg I'm blind :) | 14:45 |
| Meizirkki | wasd: in mer | 14:45 |
| lcuk | no, its a global service. you can make whatever ui is required to sit ontop | 14:45 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/new-year-countdown-series-1/ | 14:45 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, if you're telling me, I know. s_tracker/_tracker based _ | 14:45 |
| wazd | that's what I want | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, I was telling lcuk, but I may just be confusing things. | 14:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes and stands over by Stskeeps. | 14:46 | |
| opengeekv2 | sorry wawz i forgott it | 14:46 |
| * lcuk hands out bacon butties | 14:46 | |
| * johnx_ thinks the answer is a key combo | 14:46 | |
| johnx_ | fn+space or ctrl+space seems to work well IME | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not on an N800. | 14:47 |
| * wazd tells nokia widget contest: screw you guys, I'm going home | 14:47 | |
| lcuk | i think short menu key should step slightly back from the app and open search box as well as core menu | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, personally, a search isn't something I'm going to use on a mobile device. | 14:47 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, I'd side with the statusbar people in that case | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Text input is slow | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there are usually a finite number of things I'd actually want to lay hands on. | 14:48 |
| johnx_ | *waves hands* how about ... both? | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'd rather it not be taking up space in my application menu. | 14:48 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, depends what you are searching for, and if it compliments the existing selection UI quickly and smoothly just because YOU wont use it doesnt mean others wont | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx_, it should be a good one. there's complaints about the current combo used to bring up search in maemo | 14:48 |
| lcuk | johnx_, :) my point exactly | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, using Nokia's software has long since forced out that possibility when considering options. :P | 14:48 |
| wazd | Search is not such necessary function to have dedicated space in mer menu | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just because YOU will, doesn't mean others wont. :P | 14:49 |
| wazd | Totally | 14:49 |
| lcuk | its like the whole scrollbars or kinetic lists and key combos - why not have all | 14:49 |
| opengeekv2 | ok | 14:49 |
| opengeekv2 | i understand | 14:49 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, so if its there and jworks silently theres no problem | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I just don't want it taking up menu space if I don't use it. | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and an applet I can disable easily | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | A search box in the menu I may not be able to. | 14:49 |
| lcuk | no menu space used - infact when you press keys it should shorten the menus | 14:50 |
| wazd | Maybe we can use my "uni-input" mockup but it seems too complicated to do it roght now) | 14:50 |
| * lcuk has a few things in mind | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | but i cant make them right now | 14:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: ohnonono, no combinations, please | 14:50 |
| lcuk | damns this scalable ui widget | 14:50 |
| stv0 | configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later. :( any hints? | 14:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: key combos on touchscreen kb are totally lame | 14:51 |
| stv0 | ii intltool-debian 0.35.0+20060710.1osso1 Help i18n of RFC822 compliant config files | 14:51 |
| lcuk | wazd, the qwerty keyboard is 100% idle whilst a menu is onscreen, why the hell cant i just type and filter | 14:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: multitouch! | 14:51 |
| opengeekv2 | Antilles is wrigh maybe some people would not like it and an applet | 14:51 |
| opengeekv2 | is easy to remove | 14:51 |
| opengeekv2 | multitouch would be great | 14:51 |
| lcuk | for what? | 14:52 |
| RST38h | for key combos | 14:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: moo) | 14:52 |
| johnx_ | wazd, before I forget: current mockup looks nice. the only thing I was thinking about is that having the menu button in the center is kind of a stretch for the thumbs | 14:52 |
| lcuk | and i can use multitouch :) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | RST38h, Shift + something is entirely possible with the mode of multitouch i have on n8x0 | 14:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: cheater! | 14:52 |
| opengeekv2 | johx_+ | 14:52 |
| lcuk | remember as long as the primary first finger remains still the paradigm works | 14:53 |
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| jkr | Hello | 14:53 |
| opengeekv2 | in fact it was tge reason i entred on the IRC | 14:53 |
| johnx_ | :) | 14:53 |
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| johnx_ | opengeekv2, have you had a chance to look at messing with the desktop layouts in maemo yet? | 14:53 |
| wazd | johnx_: I think people don't use that menu all the time | 14:53 |
| lcuk | johnx_, the thing about that menu button is that it resembles the hardware menu button on device - i personally think it looks stupid sat in the middle | 14:54 |
| jkr | After the last OS2008 update the battery lifetime of my N810 decreased rapidly - does anyone experience the same problem? | 14:54 |
| wazd | johnx_: since it's not finger-friendly | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i would still like to see title bar names | 14:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: guards! | 14:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: :D | 14:54 |
| opengeekv2 | now i have to go | 14:54 |
| opengeekv2 | see yo later | 14:54 |
| lcuk | chopper, sick balls | 14:54 |
| johnx_ | later opengeekv2. come by again :) | 14:54 |
| wazd | opengeekv2: c ya) | 14:55 |
| lcuk | cya later opengeekv2 :) | 14:55 |
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| * lcuk loves a debate in the morning | 14:55 | |
| wazd | jkr: nope, I guess it's ok with mine | 14:55 |
| johnx_ | jkr, besides the update have you installed any other applications recently that run in the background or run constantly? | 14:55 |
| jkr | Before the update, the battery made about 10 days in idle mode - now when I fully charge it in the evening, it's down to "less than 1 hour" in the morning | 14:55 |
| lcuk | jkr, you have a bad process or chip running which is draining | 14:55 |
| jkr | I din't think it's the hardware as it worked fine before the update | 14:56 |
| wazd | johnx_: and the second reason is that we have not got any other place for this button :) | 14:56 |
| jkr | What processes could be the cause, for an example? | 14:56 |
| lcuk | the software might not be allowing it to turn off | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | jkr: there's always metalayer-crawler | 14:56 |
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| johnx_ | wazd, I was thinking either just right of the app menu, or just left of minimize/maximize | 14:57 |
| lcuk | jkr, what desktop applets have you got | 14:57 |
| jkr | Stskeeps: Yup, found it in the process list | 14:57 |
| johnx_ | wazd, though the layout should be easy to tweak | 14:57 |
| jkr | Only the clock | 14:57 |
| johnx_ | jkr, and what statusbar applets? | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | and do you keep wifi connected? | 14:58 |
| jkr | the only "non-standard" is the load-applet (the process-list, screenshot and mem/cpu-load thing) | 14:58 |
| johnx_ | jkr, try disabling it tonight :) | 14:58 |
| wazd | johnx_: in other places it will slightly mess with neigbour zones, like apps or applets | 14:58 |
| jkr | Wifi is connected, but it was always connect when the battery lifetime was good too | 14:59 |
| johnx_ | wazd, I'm going to look at layouts a bit tonight and the ubuntu marquee plugins. I'd really like to get something rough setup so I can start going around asking for pixmaps that are the right size :) | 14:59 |
| wazd | johnx_: I can give you 800x480 image so you can test usability yourself | 14:59 |
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| jkr | Well, thanks for the tips, I'll disable the load applet and see what happens :) | 15:00 |
| johnx_ | wazd, yeah, that would be nice | 15:01 |
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| wazd | johnx_: http://i024.radikal.ru/0901/73/fceb95fd6760.png | 15:03 |
| johnx_ | thanks. and you have your source images, right? | 15:04 |
| wazd | johnx_: yep | 15:04 |
| wazd | I thinkl I should make "hello kitty" style widget and see what happened | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | we so need a hello kitty or ponies theme | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | and a bacon theme | 15:05 |
| johnx_ | yes, maemo is not targetting some seriously large demographics | 15:05 |
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| wazd | there should be "cute locale" that ads something like ",cutie" or ",pupsikens" after every message :) | 15:07 |
| wazd | like "xterm segfault, cutie!" :D | 15:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles watches the substance slowly seep out of the project. :P | 15:07 | |
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| mouser- | :D | 15:07 |
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| johnx_ | lc_US for lolcats US :) OMGhome! LOLok! KTHXbyeCancel | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think insanity is primarily what drives it :P | 15:09 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, no one sane would start a project like this | 15:10 |
| johnx_ | especially not after the number of dead-ends we *both* ran down, repeatedly, (for one of us, on and off over the course of just over a year now) | 15:11 |
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| * johnx_ remembers making debian related noises in jan 08... | 15:12 | |
| * Stskeeps watches mer booting after getting installed by b-man's installer | 15:13 | |
| johnx_ | very nice! | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | a couple of changes to be made to installer but besides that | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/Lk6oAj87.html | 15:15 |
| johnx_ | looks reasonable. Am I missing something? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | 64mb free for apps per standard without swap | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | and this is with NM loaded and openssh server | 15:17 |
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| johnx_ | did you see what it was on os2008? | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Mem: 113776K used, 13000K free, 0K shrd, 3536K buff, 56344K cached | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | my current setup | 15:19 |
| johnx_ | :) | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | so obviously they're a bit better | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | but on the other hand we're not even trying. | 15:20 |
| johnx_ | exactly | 15:20 |
| jkr | Hmm, I have another idea | 15:20 |
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| jkr | I got a new WLAN AP recently | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | jkr: PSM not on maybe | 15:21 |
| jkr | Maybe it somehow draws more power from the WLAN chip? | 15:21 |
| johnx_ | jkr, entirely possible | 15:21 |
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| johnx_ | the n8x0 wifi chip uses agressive powersaving modes. if those are not available it hurts battery life with WLAN a lot | 15:21 |
| jkr | Are there any settings on APs that are known to cause that? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | WMM | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | if its on, it saves power | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's a wiki page on it | 15:22 |
| jkr | I already checked the WLAN settings on the N810, the powersaving is on max., power is limited to 10mW (or whatever the lower setting of the two is) | 15:22 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, they should be using your ircd... | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: hehe. hyperion is a pos | 15:22 |
| pcfe | apologies for the frequent join/leave my proxy is acting up | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: i -think- some of my code is in there though | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkr, don't limit the transmit power | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | That can actually increase power usage in a lot of situations. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkr, the radio is only actually on for a very small fraction of the time and accounts for a small percentage of total power usage. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Limiting the transmit power just means it's going to have to retransmit lost packets. | 15:24 |
| jkr | GeneralAntilles: But I think the 10mW was the default setting | 15:24 |
| johnx_ | jkr, if your AP doesn't support powersaving right, then the n8x0 can't use it. it's a cooperative thing | 15:25 |
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| johnx_ | jkr, depends on what coutntry the n8x0 was made for | 15:25 |
| johnx_ | US should default to 100mW | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkr, it's not. | 15:25 |
| jkr | It's a "german" N810 :) | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lcuk, guess what time it is! | 15:26 |
| lcuk | bacon time? | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes! | 15:26 |
| lcuk | kick ass! | 15:26 |
| jkr | I'm pretty sure the AP supports powersaving, it's a very advanced appliance. | 15:27 |
| lcuk | missus just got back from shops as well, i wish i had hindsite to ask her to pick some up | 15:27 |
| jkr | Supports even draft n :) | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | jkr: yes, but it has to be enabled ;) | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | usually | 15:27 |
| lcuk | jkr, if you say it did it before its likely it does | 15:27 |
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| wazd | oh, actually I have bacon too :D | 15:27 |
| lcuk | :( i am baconless | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the Mer logo on the wiki looks a bit busy. | 15:28 |
| lcuk | (!) missus going back out soon | 15:28 |
| jkr | Well there's one "visible" setting in the configuration interface, "limit trasnmission power to the actual requirements automatically" (I hope it's correctly translated), which is active | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too much padding, and the shadowing and light effects in the background kinda overpower the logo. | 15:28 |
| jkr | But I think that's only saving power for the AP, not the clients | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | iirc, if wireless-tools is installed, iwconfig says if it's on | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm, ok | 15:29 |
| jkr | GeneralAntilles: On the client or on the AP? | 15:29 |
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| jkr | Sorry, qwerty12_N800 | 15:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jkr, I would presume on the client because it shows the settings of the interface currently | 15:30 |
| jkr | Shouldn't the wireless tolls be installed by default? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :) everytime i open a console and type cdliqbase i thank you | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :). what about when you type cdliqbase; cat debian/preinst? :P | 15:33 |
| jkr | I can't find the wireless tools on/for the N810, but on my Notebook it says "Powermanagement: off" | 15:33 |
| lcuk | heh :P nothing, cos it takes me to libliqbase and within there i choose the app and each will have its own installer :P | 15:34 |
| * wazd watches Queen - Rock in Montreal | 15:35 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | jkr, I would presume your AP has power saving off. If you want to see on the N810, dpkg -i http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/libiw29_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe, cool :D | 15:35 |
| lcuk | and im fighting with the damned globals, ive got 2 global structures which i cant easily factor out \@/ im tempted to just say bollocks to it and leave them as is and require apps to be statically linked | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/, we're not exactly full of space on the flash :/ | 15:36 |
| lcuk | thats my problem | 15:36 |
| lcuk | thats why im trying damned hard to make it shared lib | 15:36 |
| lcuk | ive got all of the other classes nicely packaged away and im trying to make it so that a user app does not touch any of the globals but its required at some level | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | on a more positive note, everything else is coming together nicely, | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | what is the problem with making it a shared lib? | 15:46 |
| johnx_ | Omegamoon, so did you make debian source packages for the things added to zubuntu that aren't in ubuntu? | 15:46 |
| tybor | I couldn't log from an N800 to another host using ssh... it hangs after giving password... anyone got a similar issue? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | RST38h, theres a central liqcanvas canvas; instance which is used in the calls. it was the very first class i wrote way back when and contains the core open close refresh cycles for the display | 15:47 |
| RST38h | -Bshared to the linker or -shared to GCC and you are done | 15:47 |
| lcuk | all the code up until ~october expected this to be always available so never passed as a param | 15:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: make it a global variable and initialize it in LiqInit() | 15:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tybor, can you ssh from the N800 to another computer running ssh? | 15:49 |
| lcuk | i do, but then if i run another binary using the same library that other instance will screw with it | 15:49 |
| lcuk | and close the screen for both apps | 15:49 |
| lcuk | when one app closes | 15:49 |
| lcuk | (example, others are more esoteric) | 15:49 |
| RST38h | of course it will | 15:49 |
| RST38h | so you need to have a variable shared between processes | 15:49 |
| lcuk | no, i need each app to open its own screen and have its own instance of canvas | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | right | 15:50 |
| lcuk | but the functions and calls dont expect it and it needs threading through the entire app | 15:50 |
| RST38h | you can either do it the right way making multiple liqcanvases coexist (still only need one global per app) | 15:50 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: no, I cannot.... | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Mer_0.6 | 15:50 |
| RST38h | or you can do it the wrong way by using shm | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | installer seems to work for me in simple mode | 15:50 |
| lardman | has anyone here had any success with wiicontrol + bomberman? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | comes with enough to get you online and ssh into it from somewhere else | 15:51 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: issuing ssh my_login@myhost -vvvv hangs after debug message "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768" | 15:51 |
| lcuk | RST38h, doesnt need shm because it doesnt need managing like that, its good to share the screen (it opens up avenues for doing other stuff) but its the level of globalness that needs to change | 15:52 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, installing! | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tybor, yep, same problem as me on my old router. i fixed openssh and recompiled it : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/openssh_badrouter_fix/ | 15:52 |
| lcuk | a user app shouldnt ever technically directly use any of the canvas. members of methods | 15:52 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: this happens after having given the (correct) password. (The behaviour with a wrong passwd is wayy different). | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, online including wpa? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yes | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | i use wpa2 at home | 15:53 |
| lcuk | however the user objects should hold a reference to it - i know what *needs* to be done, itsj usta big job and has to tread carefully to not break stuff | 15:53 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: old router? I once read there were a workaround for the server setting but I couldn't find it anymore | 15:53 |
| lcuk | or bring in numerous odd bugs, its all part of the simplification im up to my elbows in | 15:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tybor, yeah, my new router doesn't need those fixed packages | 15:54 |
| * lcuk is wearing many hats | 15:54 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . that was a good BLT | 15:55 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: /me sighs... his NetGear DN834PN is labelled as old...... :) | 15:55 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you know how to tease people | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tybor, my DG834GT did it :D | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: the jffs images are up too | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | just fyi | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | (marked untested) | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, probably won't be testing, I don't have time to backup my current rootfs as jffs2 | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: *nod* | 15:56 |
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| * Stskeeps gets at building the virtualbox appliance | 15:57 | |
| thopiekar | hello | 15:57 |
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| * johnx_ attempts to beat marquee plugins into submission | 15:58 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: happen to have virtualbox on either linux or win? | 15:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | i took some config files from ubuntu-mobile. http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ume-conffiles.tar.gz | 16:00 |
| johnx_ | nope, but I can get it | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | need someone to test this appliance when done, so :) | 16:00 |
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| johnx_ | ah, I'll start downloading | 16:00 |
| johnx_ | I have lots of little machines. I need tasks for all of them anyways... | 16:00 |
| * thopiekar is waiting for <luck^> 2 days long.. it's even strange that he's such a long time offline and not responsing.. | 16:01 | |
| RST38h | johnx: String them together into christmas lights | 16:03 |
| johnx_ | I just realized, without even intending to I collected all the major architectures supported by linux | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:04 |
| wazd | johnx_: so how's the UX?) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | johnx: got MIPS? | 16:05 |
| johnx_ | wazd, hm? ah, haven't showed it on screen yet. I'm installing mer so I can dig into layouts :) | 16:05 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, on my router | 16:05 |
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| RST38h | johnx: [scratching head] Got PPC? | 16:06 |
| johnx_ | RST38h, it sits in a white box labeled "nintendo" :) | 16:06 |
| johnx_ | a 750gx IIRC | 16:06 |
| RST38h | [slightly hitting head on the wall] Got SH3/SH4? | 16:07 |
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| Stslaptop | repo down for a bit btw, have to go restart the machine :P | 16:07 |
| johnx_ | nah, but I'm looking at some older (cheap) WinCE devices at my local used-electronics store | 16:07 |
| johnx_ | the kind that can be s/wince/linux/ | 16:08 |
| johnx_ | I think I'm pretty maxed out for machines I can care about hacking on though | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Oh, shit, this laptop is now 5 years old | 16:08 |
| * RST38h needs a new one fast | 16:08 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Gotcha! | 16:08 |
| RST38h | You should definitely buy a Sega Saturn for the SH3/SH4 :) | 16:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: BTW, you haven't got a SPARC have you? | 16:09 |
| johnx_ | ah, the caveat here is that all those machines I listed are running linux | 16:09 |
| lcuk | with raw x11 how do i find the inner size of a window? im trying XGetGeometry and also XGetWindowAttributes and both return full 800*480 | 16:09 |
| johnx_ | and yeah, no sparc | 16:09 |
| lcuk | i know however the inner window is much smaller | 16:09 |
| johnx_ | maybe I'll dig one up when I'm back in the US | 16:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: Lotsa Chinese DVD players are SPARC based | 16:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: Anything that uses Cheertek chipset is SPARC based | 16:10 |
| johnx_ | caveat: needs to have mmu, run linux | 16:10 |
| lcuk | oh no. tony hart has passed away :( | 16:10 |
| johnx_ | or netbsd would be fine I suppose | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Probably have MMU too, but I have not checked | 16:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, I've tested VGBA yesterday | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think you're demon :) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: You mean the Maemo version? | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 16:11 |
| RST38h | it is pretty fast yes | 16:11 |
| tybor | qwerty12_N800: Installed it. Problem solved... 10x... | 16:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: Have you used some voodoo magic or something?) | 16:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: no, just lots of assembly language | 16:12 |
| tybor | will maemo switch to qt? | 16:12 |
| RST38h | at *some* choice places | 16:12 |
| wazd | tybor: no | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybor, no in the foreseeable future. | 16:12 |
| lcuk | tybor, im sure qt will play a part but i dont see an instant switch | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/no/no, not/ | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tybor, no problem :) | 16:13 |
| tybor | wazd, GeneralAntilles lcuk: so nokia acquired it to boost their smartphone, not the webtablet.... | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybor, it'll SHIP Qt | 16:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't mean it's _switching_ to it. | 16:13 |
| wazd | tybor: not again | 16:13 |
| lcuk | tybor, im quite certain we would have it now if performance and simplicity worked | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's an issue of it not being hildonized. | 16:13 |
| lcuk | but when you have a whole OS geared to an existing functional toolkit momentum takes time | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs to be transparent to users before Nokia will ship it. :) | 16:14 |
| lcuk | .. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybor, it doesn't matter what the core applications use, anyway. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | What matters is what tools are available to developers. | 16:14 |
| lcuk | c++ compilation is heavy on the tablets :'( | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's why it's only insane people who compile on them. | 16:15 |
| lcuk | c compilation is so simple though, it works really well | 16:15 |
| johnx_ | insane and desperate | 16:15 |
| lcuk | and im not insane, GeneralAntilles things like adv_ compile really quickly its only mega projects that would take a long time | 16:15 |
| wazd | btw, transparency | 16:16 |
| wazd | does anyone checked if it's possible?) | 16:16 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if people could build their apps directly from any OS by simply installing a single devpack wouldnt it help get developers in? | 16:16 |
| lcuk | "im a dev and i wanna write a little program to do ......." becomes, sure just install this and start hacking. no bother if they are in windows or linux or mac or anything | 16:17 |
| johnx_ | wazd, is this still about matchbox window borders having a semi-transparent edge? if so then the answer is still no I believe | 16:17 |
| lcuk | they can get moving | 16:17 |
| * tybor dislikes c++ a lot.... it is way far too complicated for human mind to grasp | 16:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's what the VMWare image is for. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You have stated the problem with yout approach yourself | 16:17 |
| lcuk | tybor, ioften think of some of the nice things c++ brings but then think they stepped over the line | 16:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The tabet is too slow for that | 16:18 |
| wazd | johnx_: :( | 16:18 |
| lcuk | RST38h, is it bollocks too slow | 16:18 |
| * Stslaptop goes to the shop and then to reboot the repository server | 16:18 | |
| lcuk | i do it every single day | 16:18 |
| johnx_ | wazd, it's a matchbox thing. it's just a simple wm. they don't have fancy transparency stuff (unless nokia puts it in) | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, as much as I hate it, just install damn Linux and use it | 16:18 |
| tybor | lcuk: it evolved into a behemoth language.... there are several oo languages that deserved c++ place but couldn't grasp it. Eiffel, D ... | 16:18 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the vmware still requires a lot more than anything | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, install VMWare, boot. | 16:18 |
| RST38h | There is also coLinux | 16:19 |
| RST38h | coLinux isn't even a real Linux, but it should suffice | 16:19 |
| lcuk | all these are monsters. there is a perfectly good linux system running in a perfect test bed all the time | 16:19 |
| johnx_ | tybor, does D even have one open source compiler? | 16:19 |
| Stslaptop | johnx_: it has a LLVM one now | 16:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: except that it is too slow to compile c++, too slow to compile Vala and barely enough to compile C | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm not sure what your argument is at this point. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | But I agree that it is perfect otherwise :) | 16:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its great for c, the next device will have much better performance (doesnt gan say 3x) so the other arguments go as well | 16:20 |
| tybor | johnx_: Eiffel have a GNU compiler.... and it is as fast as C++ and C | 16:21 |
| tybor | johnx_: SmartEiffel (smarteiffel.org) | 16:21 |
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| lcuk | i am merely pondering how to lower the level of entry to working on our little devices :) | 16:21 |
| johnx_ | wazd, I spoke too soon: apparently matchbox wm has some kind of composite support, but I'm not sure if the feature you want is implemented. You could try setting the title bar to a png with an alpha channel and see what happens I suppose | 16:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the 3x figure is what Russians call "average temperature throughout the hospital" | 16:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's usyally the location of C header files? vmware wants to find em | 16:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: my guess is that it will still be sluggish on compilation tasks, due to large memory footprint and lots of IO | 16:24 |
| tybor | lcuk: any hint on the "next device"? | 16:24 |
| johnx_ | Meiz_n810, /usr/include | 16:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | thanks | 16:25 |
| lcuk | tybor, yes, it will be shiny | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | and hopefully mery | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | but seriously, how the hell should i know! | 16:26 |
| johnx_ | tybor, hint: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 16:26 |
| wazd | tybor: I have special secret insider info | 16:26 |
| wazd | tybor: It would be cool :) | 16:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx_: vmware does not accept :( | 16:26 |
| johnx_ | Meiz_n810, what headers is it looking for? kernel headers? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | tybor: it will have a Huge Deadly Laser (tm) | 16:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | "the directory of kernel headers does not match your running kernel" says vmware | 16:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx_: yes | 16:27 |
| johnx_ | you asked me C header files, not kernel headers :P | 16:28 |
| johnx_ | is this ubuntu? | 16:28 |
| johnx_ | and do you have the kernel headers package installed? | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | mer | 16:28 |
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| Meiz_n810 | not sure | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's the package | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 16:28 |
| johnx_ | wait, you're trying to run vmware inside mer? | 16:28 |
| johnx_ | on x86? | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 16:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 16:29 |
| johnx_ | >_< | 16:29 |
| johnx_ | just follow the ubuntu howto :P | 16:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok... | 16:29 |
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| johnx_ | probably the first thing to do is find out your kernel version (uname -r) and install kernel-headers that matches | 16:30 |
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| johnx_ | anyways, this is the right page for info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware | 16:30 |
| johnx_ | if I told you anything, I'd just be copy+pasting from it | 16:30 |
| WorkingOnWise | hello everyone | 16:31 |
| johnx_ | hi WorkingOnWise | 16:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RX-51 rumors: http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ | 16:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx_: thanks :) | 16:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | is it ok if I paste a rather long post from itt here in hopes I can get a resolution from someone here? This problem has gone rater critical for me. | 16:32 |
| qwerty12_N801 | paste the link | 16:32 |
| johnx_ | please a link | 16:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol. duh! that works too huh? :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26296 | 16:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | after the tragic death of my tablet pc, my N800 is forced to serve s my promary computer. | 16:35 |
| johnx_ | which version of the lcars theme did you install? | 16:35 |
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| WorkingOnWise | 4.* I dont have the repo in on my flash installed OS2008 to tell you for sure, but its the only one showing in the app manager as of 1an EST | 16:38 |
| WorkingOnWise | 1an = 1am | 16:39 |
| Stslaptop | Meiz_n810: get Damn Small Linux (50mb) iso and use that to install into the virtual harddrie | 16:40 |
| johnx_ | are you sure it was the lcars theme for diablo? | 16:40 |
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| WorkingOnWise | at this point, no. app manager installed it without any complaints. | 16:41 |
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| johnx_ | ok, well then first thing is to backup your files at least, huh? | 16:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | I did see there were 2 themes for lcars I had not seen before, one for sure being gray. | 16:41 |
| johnx_ | are you booted to flash? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: 0.6 working? | 16:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | if I can get to tghe ext3 partition on the sd card to find the contacts database for gpe contacts and the bookmark file for microb, I can reclone it and be done. | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N801 | to mount an ext3 partition, you first need to have the jbd, mbcache & ext3 modules inserted. Run, as root, "insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko && insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko && insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko" | 16:43 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, just finished. d/l'ed at about 50KB/s | 16:43 |
| WorkingOnWise | i can boot to flash, yes. | 16:43 |
| Stslaptop | johnx_: ah, it used to be faster | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, have you tried the XChat tabs on the bottom? | 16:43 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, could be on my side | 16:43 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, qwerty12_N801 beat me to it. do what he says :) | 16:43 |
| qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, no, they annoyed me last time I had done so :) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 16:44 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol. cool. brb. | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm annoyed by the massive sidebar, so. :P | 16:44 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N801, c'mon, everyone else is doin' it. :P | 16:44 |
| johnx_ | </peer pressure> | 16:44 |
| * aquatix tells johnx_ to jump off that bridge | 16:44 | |
| lcuk | with tabs anywhere other than the bottom i miss other conversations | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N801 | johnx_, I'm a traditionalist, you'll never convince me! :P | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, qwerty12_N801, you want to be cool, don't you? | 16:45 |
| johnx_ | aquatix, you packed me a parachute, right? | 16:45 |
| aquatix | johnx_: everybody is doing it ;) | 16:45 |
| aquatix | nah, some elastic thingee | 16:45 |
| Stslaptop | Meiz_n810: ok, don't use Damn Small Linux :P | 16:45 |
| lcuk | bungie cord! | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Everybody_ is packing johnx_ a parachute. | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, No! What gave you that idea? :P | 16:45 |
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| * aquatix throws johnx_ off a bridge with 300 parachutes strapped to his body | 16:45 | |
| lcuk | "parachute deploy" "access denied" | 16:45 |
| aquatix | you'll be fine! | 16:46 |
| aquatix | lcuk: ghehe | 16:46 |
| johnx_ | time to hide! | 16:46 |
| aquatix | "Cancel or allow?" | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | "sudo parachute deploy" | 16:46 |
| aquatix | lol | 16:46 |
| aquatix | lcuk: :) | 16:46 |
| johnx | they'll never find me with this alias! | 16:46 |
| Anidel | hi johnx | 16:46 |
| Anidel | :p | 16:46 |
| johnx | >_> | 16:46 |
| johnx | <_< | 16:46 |
| * aquatix wonders where johnx_ went | 16:46 | |
| lcuk | anyone know where johnx_ went? theres some hookers asking for him. | 16:46 |
| aquatix | lcuk: with you too? | 16:47 |
| Anidel | I saw him leaving... | 16:47 |
| aquatix | hm | 16:47 |
| aquatix | oh well, though luck for him then | 16:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, they will have to carry on partying here | 16:47 |
| Anidel | luck of lcuk? | 16:47 |
| johnx | <aside>darn! I'm missing out on VD and jail time...oh wait | 16:47 |
| lcuk | bbl playing wii with folks | 16:47 |
| * qwerty12_N801 imagines a northern party to consist solely of pass the parcel | 16:48 | |
| johnx | and by hookers you mean 'scary old fishermen with hooks for hands' right? | 16:48 |
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| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N801: i get insmod: not found | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N801 | WorkingOnWise, become root | 16:49 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, type: "root" first | 16:49 |
| Omegamoon | too bad johnx_ left, since he asked me a question an hour ago (while I was watching a movie) | 16:49 |
| johnx | >_< | 16:50 |
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| qwerty12_N801 | johnx, imposter! | 16:50 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12_N801, what are you on about? | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N801 | I see you destroyed the evidence, very good | 16:51 |
| Omegamoon | johnx... the shapeshifter | 16:52 |
| johnx_ | Omegamoon, are you using zaurusd/switchevd still? also xfbdev for the x server? I'm actually really curious :) | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, watching -developers? | 16:56 |
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| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, nope. but I could always use something else to help shorten my attention span | 16:56 |
| johnx_ | :P | 16:56 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: ok, i got cannot insert files exist errors for jbd.ko and mbcche.ko, but ext3.ko was inserted error free. I assume that means only ext3.ko needed to be inserted and its all good to this point? | 16:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, yep | 16:57 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: zaurusd and switchevd is still used, as is the xfbdev | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, TI guy wants to get Maemo 5 building in OE. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mentioned Mer to him, I thought either you or Stskeeps might want to get a piece of him. | 16:58 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: they serve the purpose very well | 16:58 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, oh, parts of maemo4 built in OE as well, but I only have so many years in my youth | 16:58 |
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| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: good. so whats next? the sd card is in the internal slot right now. reboot? | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, don't worry, you'll live forever. | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2009-January/053947.html | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | re | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: he'll spend 2-4x as long time getting it to work sanely in OE really :P | 16:59 |
| johnx_ | Omegamoon|away, do you have source packages for them? or are they unmodified from the ones for debian/zaurus? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mamona took similar approach i think and they're not at all at same level of Mer :P | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, What are you doing here? I'm assuming you want to mount the ext3 from flash. | 17:00 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, you need to mount it and get your files back | 17:00 |
| johnx_ | other people have expressed interest in getting it into OE, but no one *has* yet | 17:00 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: yup. qwerty12_N800 or johnx, how do I mount that partition? | 17:01 |
| johnx_ | OE is actually quite nice to work with, but there's a lot of complexity involved and no such thing as an 80% solution | 17:01 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, which card and partition has the files you want? | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, I figured there might be a chance of you roping him in or something. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Speaking of Mamona. Have they just totally diverged, or might there be a chance of roping them in, too? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure "you'll go insane trying that stuff" is a good way to do it :P | 17:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | internal sd, and, sorry for the ambiguity, but whatever partition penguin baits console tools made. | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, mkdir /mnt/ext3 ; mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p* /mnt/ext3 - replace the * with the partition number | 17:03 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, you pointed him at Mer, the IRC link is there and now an fs image is up and an imager | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | and soon also a vmware appliance if i have my will :P | 17:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: it'll error if I tell it to ount a non-ext3 partition as ext3, right? | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, yes | 17:03 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, to figure out the partition try: sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'll try to rope him nicely | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: with the auto-builder, a VMware image could handle compilation/testing on x86 without Scratchbox | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | Then use the auto-builder can do ARM | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, our current one does it right now | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | Native compilation inside Mer/x86. | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, that's what we do already | 17:08 |
| johnx_ | mer booted! | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 17:09 |
| johnx_ | woo | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: we have a chroot with it so | 17:09 |
| Anidel | cool | 17:09 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: i get a "simple mount" failed error | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | Package name differences would be a problem for building for Maemo (but are you going to solve that for some level of Maemo compatibility anyway?) | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, correct partition number? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah.. it's a bitch already | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ah, cool - I thought you were still scratchboxing | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: nop, our first building was really on x86 | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | which is why we have the x86 port working :) http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png | 17:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Are all your upstream pkgs being rebuilt from source? If so, you could patch in Provides:es to match core Maemo libraries | 17:11 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, Provides can't 'provide' a specific version | 17:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: yup. i changed the partition number and also removed the "-t ext3" from the commnd. All give a simple "mount failed" error. | 17:12 |
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| Jaffa | johnx_: ah, of course. You've got name *and* version to worry about | 17:13 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, you're thinking about compatibility with binary packages for maemo, is that right? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: we use transitional packages for this, but it's not pretty | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | Patch dpkg/apt and have a mapping file? | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | johnx_: yes, especially important if Mer is going to meet the Fremantle on N8x0 hopes | 17:14 |
| johnx_ | I'm not sure I see the big issue of binary package level compatibility... | 17:14 |
| johnx_ | everything big and important is going to extras by way of a builder | 17:14 |
| johnx_ | that means that there's a source package to work with | 17:14 |
| johnx_ | if there's a source package a quick manual (or automatic?) run of sed to fix the versions seems and test the build seems far more sane than trying to be compatible with binary packages | 17:15 |
| johnx_ | though, I of course don't speak for Stskeeps on this matter | 17:15 |
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| johnx_ | this is all IMHO | 17:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: i shouldnt need to fschk an ext3 before I mount it, should I? | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx_: it'll be useful at some point :P | 17:16 |
| johnx_ | also, I have this funny feeling that nokia might actually want to optimize for armv7. in that case there's no point in worrying about binary package compat | 17:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i've experimented with binary level compatibility and so far it's working well | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i had Sketch working early in the process, for instance | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | johnx_: Munging source packages in the builder could be really flaky; and yesterday someone (Meiz?) was tryring to get adv-backlight working and had to try pulling off 2.5 from all the Python package names. | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: that's cool. | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | It could be Python stuff is a special(ish) case? (and Ruby/Java/...) | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: python on maemo is a mess | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, that's the pymaemo's team fault for using non standard naming | 17:17 |
| johnx_ | the other thing is that nokia's current naming for fremantle packages is more in line with ubuntu/debian than it is with diablo packages (for the most part) | 17:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but that's easily solved in packages. Depends: python2.5 | python | 17:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | Jaffa: it was adv-power not backlight... | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | Meiz_n810: ta | 17:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | but python-gnome it the missing thing btw... | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, pygtk is messed up on Mer atm, my fault :) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's one of those things we'll have to work on | 17:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: did you say there was something wrong with liberty theme? | 17:20 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: the partition number are right, i changed the partition number and also removed the "-t ext3" from the command. All give a simple "mount failed" error. any ideas? | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, install http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/u/util-linux/mount-full_2.12p-4sarge1.maemo1_armel.deb and use mount.full instead of mount. | 17:20 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, I'm not sure how it would be more flaky to mangle source packages than it would to try and keep some compatibility mapping as an apt patch (!). either way the same mapping is going into the equation, but in the case of the builder manual intervention is possible by someone watching the builder and in the case of doing it in apt users are left to sort it out | 17:20 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, exactly what did you type? | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: "standard" isn't really something meaningfull, since it's *not* (to date) been Debian/Ubuntu | 17:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | at least you'll see proper errors. fucking busybox | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | johnx_: true | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, but seeing as a lot of packages are derived from debian, it makes sense to use same names | 17:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/mmcboot/ | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: only if there's a one-to-one mapping. Most of the time, yes. But I haven't packaged vim-common, vim-runtime, vim-full etc. Just "vim". | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Agreed there, I actually split zenity into multiple packages. But as we are seeing now, not using the same names is causing problems. | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | Sounds like the Mer team have already thought about how to make it viable, for an average end-user, to get most of the Fremantle s/w working on Mer. | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | So, I'll go and get dressed. | 17:25 |
| johnx_ | :) | 17:25 |
| johnx_ | we're definitely thinking about it, but ideas are of course always welcome | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, I can't wait for the splash you guys are gonna make on /. in 6 months. :P | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | Just want to ensure a massive backlash is avoided when everyone gets Fremantle, and Mer, and although Mer contains Fremantle bits no-one can run any s/w which all the discount-holding devs are now writing. | 17:27 |
| lcuk | its not just the fremantle apps that need bringing in, are there specific changes required to diablo apps to get them in? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: if Nokia can be prodded to simply take source packages, build in mer sdk, or compiling their source packages for armv5te, we're able to take it :P | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | Of course, use of Clutter could be "fun" (can Clutter be compiled to do no tweening, so it goes straight from start pos to end pos with no fx?) | 17:27 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, oh, there's a good chance we'll need to be poking at devs to try and think of both n8x0 and n900 anyways | 17:28 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: mount.full says unknown filesystem type ext3 | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: good point. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | jaffa, thats a different ballgame isnt it | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, not anymore, i think | 17:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, what does lsmod say? | 17:28 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, should be interesting. though I think ubuntu might steal the limelight ... | 17:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: ok | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sent off a technical bait | 17:29 |
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| Jaffa | wazd's rescue menu looks fab | 17:30 |
| johnx_ | everything wazd touches looks awesome :) | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | better than my 80's style one | 17:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | qwerty12_N800: um.... hyroglyphics? is that a list of loaded modules? lsmod I mean? | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, 80's! | 17:31 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, yeah, do you see 'ext3' in there? | 17:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: nope | 17:32 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, try insmod'ing it again | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko && insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko && insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: used installer or just raw tar.gz btw? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko ; insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko ; insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | even, if they were already inserted, I guess insmod would return 1 | 17:33 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, just image. sorry. just wanted to get up and running again quick. i can test more tomorrow. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: hehe, it's fine | 17:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | and I did insmod for ext3 again, and now I get cannot insert (path I used before, using the bash command history) no such file or directory | 17:34 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, ok, are you sure it didn't say that before? | 17:34 |
| WorkingOnWise | yup. the first time I did insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko i got no output to make me think anything was amiss | 17:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | but i can tab-complete my way to that command right down to the ext3.ko, so the module is there for sure | 17:36 |
| johnx_ | but when you run it it says 'no such file' ? | 17:36 |
| WorkingOnWise | yup | 17:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not, "file exists"? | 17:37 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if it would be a mistake to post a news item on iTT | 17:37 | |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, for the 0.6 release? maybe in developers? | 17:37 |
| johnx_ | not m-d, but itt / developers | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | true | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planet | 17:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's where more of your audience is, methinks. | 17:38 |
| johnx_ | that is a good point I think | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if i write up an announcement, would you post it from your blog? i'm not aggreated there, and you're kinda the PR guy right now :) | 17:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: qwerty12_N800 "no such file or directory:" | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | (or does GeneralAntilles want the honors? :P) | 17:40 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: get a maemopeople.org blog from maddler and go mad? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | johnx_: why not m-d, with ITT instead? | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | (OOI) | 17:41 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you once say your mer is for use in hospitals? have you seen whats hosted on mer.org | 17:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: actually, "unknown symbol in module (-1) no such file or directory", so its a symbol its not finding? | 17:41 |
| johnx_ | Jaffa, both would be fine. I was just clarifying that I was suggesting a section of ITT | 17:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | sorry for not giving the complete error | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: nah, it is just my economic support, but Mer could easily be used for a lot of interesting healthcare prototypes | 17:42 |
| johnx_ | WolfSage, dmesg | tail | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | johnx_: ah | 17:42 |
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| johnx_ | eep, I meant WorkingOnWise. sorry 'bout that | 17:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, wazd's generated way more interest than I've managed so far. :( | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, he has pictures :P | 17:44 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, it's the pretty pictures :) | 17:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, yeah, I know. | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: was post to m-d okay with regards to telling him nice and gently that "you'll go bloody insane if you go down this road"? :P | 17:45 |
| WorkingOnWise | is there soma way to tell insmod "load this freakin module and like you stubborn pig" | 17:45 |
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| johnx_ | i dunno. i've seen some fairly insane projects brought into OE... | 17:45 |
| wazd | I'm back | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | w | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | b | 17:45 |
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| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, sure, you just tell it the right module to load | 17:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | of tell the kernel "take this frekin module and LIKE it!" | 17:46 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: the packages used in zubuntu are pretty much untouched builds from poky | 17:46 |
| lcuk | give it alcohol | 17:46 |
| lcuk | get it drunk | 17:46 |
| johnx_ | Omegamoon, did you build the .debs for them in OE? | 17:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I can add an account for you :) | 17:47 |
| lcuk | hrw does a lot of work in poky and oe | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, it's fine. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I would've elaborated a bit more on the point you started in paragraph 3, but that's just me. :P | 17:47 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, can you run dmesg | tail | 17:47 |
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| johnx_ | and paste the result to pastebin? | 17:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but maybe it's better to have dedicated "Mer developers" blog?) | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: La Mer? ;) | 17:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: kinda) | 17:49 |
| lcuk | holy moly, 271,000,000 results on google for mer! | 17:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, La merde | 17:49 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: yes building some of the packages is done using oe | 17:50 |
| Omegamoon | johnx_: others are build natively though | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, how does planet maemo get who to pull posts from? | 17:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: is tat dmesg (letter l) tall? | 17:51 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, dmesg | tail | 17:51 |
| johnx_ | that's like a dogs tail | 17:51 |
| johnx_ | and the center character is a 'pipe' | 17:51 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, any thoughts about carrying a couple zaurus specific packages in the mer repo is I take responsibility for them? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: go ahead | 17:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: where is that symbol on the nit on screen keyboard? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | has to be targeted towards armv5el ideally though | 17:53 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, will do. all vga zaurii are armv5 I believe | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | what kind of packages btw? and since we have 770, n800 packages, i see why not :) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: and only if you contribute code to imager for the port :P | 17:54 |
| aquatix | WorkingOnWise: it's a special char | 17:54 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, I will | 17:54 |
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| johnx_ | Stskeeps, hinge detection daemon, a faster x server, keymaps | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | hinge detection.. shouldn't that be in HAL really? | 17:54 |
| johnx_ | well, the event comes out of the keyboard's input device I believe | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:55 |
| johnx_ | maybe powerd could handle that? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ohm once we get it, / powerlaunch | 17:56 |
| johnx_ | then maybe I'll just use it locally, but it's a fairly trivial package that hasn't changed much in years | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | there's hinge detection? | 17:57 |
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| johnx_ | ShadowJK, for the zaurus? yes | 17:57 |
| ShadowJK | oh right | 17:57 |
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| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: got it. 10 lines, all start with EAC mode: play then alternating enabled , rec disabled and disabled, rec enabled | 17:57 |
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| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, ok, don't bother with pastebin then for right now | 17:58 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok. | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | can you look at the insmod commands qwerty12 gave and see if lsmod lists those modules as loaded? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Mer_0.6 , i did some minor changes to installer, source code is there | 17:58 |
| johnx_ | if one of them is missing, try to reload it | 17:58 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: ok | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: Advanced mode in N8x0 installer is a bit funky and may not produce right bootmenu.d items <- need fixing, it doesn't use \$\{INT_CARD\} stuff | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: other than that it works fine :) | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: used it on my own tablet earlier and it didn't destroy anthing :P | 17:59 |
| b-man | hehe | 17:59 |
| b-man | how do you like the new icon? :) | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, good, but not the right size with the rest of them | 18:00 |
| johnx_ | Omegamoon, any interest in working together on the common parts of ubuntu 9.04 on the zaurus? | 18:00 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: yeah, i might need to re crop it a little ;) | 18:01 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: is there some way to see the kernel messages on bootup on an n800? | 18:01 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, a little bit difficult, but doable. if you can get this mounted you'll be able to back up your files easily | 18:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | WorkingOnWise: enable r&d flags: serial-console i think. | 18:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | not sure | 18:02 |
| johnx_ | and besides backing up files you'll be able to see if there's something running at boot that shouldn't be | 18:02 |
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| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: lsmod does not show the ext3 module as loaded, but insmod wont load it because of some symbole it cant find. i'm in file system hell | 18:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | module hell actually, i guess | 18:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | :) | 18:03 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, what that means is that one of the earlier modules qwerty12 told you to load didn't get loaded for some reason | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | jbd and mbcache are the only modules ext3 wants loaded | 18:04 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, right, so run lsmod and tell us if you see jbd and mbcache somewhere | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: did you get any further with it on vmware? | 18:06 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: I reran the command for jbd and mbcache, then ext3. now lsmod shows all 3 as loaded. | 18:06 |
| johnx_ | woo! | 18:06 |
| johnx_ | try that mount command again | 18:06 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: now i'll try mounting. | 18:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i couldn't get vmware or virtualbox to work | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 18:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | both nagging about missing kernel-modules or something | 18:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | maybe something to do with jauntys new kernel :( | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 18:07 |
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| wazd | Mer on Zaurus: http://s46.radikal.ru/i111/0901/9b/6b9c539c0860.jpg | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | mockup, i presume ;) | 18:09 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: ahhhh. mounted! ty ty ty ty. where do i look for the gpe contact database? | 18:10 |
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| johnx_ | just copy out your whole /mnt/mmcboot/home/user to somewhere else | 18:10 |
| johnx_ | should be pretty small | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | b-man, if I use your installer in simple mode; will it force me to repartition the card? | 18:12 |
| b-man | yes, atm | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | ah, thanks | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: more like, it does it automatically | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yer, I've already got my card partitioned the way I like it. I'll edit the script. No complaints though, I do realise it is a simple mode. | 18:14 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: does "ITEM_DEVICE=\"${MERP}\"" generate anything in the bootmenu item? i think i might have found the problem | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: simple mode works fine, advanced is just odd | 18:15 |
| b-man | advanced mode has more funky stuff because it has to be flexible ;) | 18:16 |
| b-man | e.g. MERP=mmcblk0p* | 18:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: it's over 5GB, but mostly replaceable mp3's. but, it seems the audio files , actually all media folders,are hidden? whats the command line to start file manager? maybe running it as root will let me see them? | 18:17 |
| wazd | Well, on tiny android screen Mer's UI looks kinda huge) | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: yeah, but it has to be ${INT_CARD} in the bootmenu item | 18:17 |
| b-man | or MERP=${EXT_CARD}p3 | 18:17 |
| b-man | oh | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | as in, internal or external, not mmcblk | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | mmcblk is banned from bootmenu items :) | 18:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | i tryed mer on x86 with 400x300 screen, it was awful :P | 18:18 |
| b-man | hehe, ok | 18:18 |
| b-man | bootmenu can figure out witch partition just from $EXT_CARD? cool | 18:19 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, they're hidden because they have a . in front | 18:19 |
| johnx_ | being root won't help | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, *grumble* "Saving to: `mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.6.tar.gz'... 28.3K/s eta 56m 38s" :P | 18:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: I just remebered that | 18:19 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, do you have a spare card with enough space top copy everything? | 18:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: nope. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'll prod the hoster and hear if he has bw trouble | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, thanks. I should check on my side too | 18:20 |
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| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, well, gpe contacts are probably under /mnt/mmcboot/home/user/.gpe | 18:21 |
| johnx_ | maybe? | 18:21 |
| johnx_ | anyways, type that out and hit tab :) | 18:21 |
| johnx_ | also try: ls -la /mnt/mmcboot/home/user/.gpe | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: both you and johnx has issue, and me too, so | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ah *closes transmission* | 18:22 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: how do i rename a directory? mv? | 18:23 |
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| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, yes | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: looking at it :) | 18:24 |
| wazd | well, kind of that: http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0901/7f/f237c45e1ae6.jpg | 18:25 |
| wazd | There should be dpi option or something :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | wazd, that carries through all the apps? | 18:27 |
| johnx_ | wazd, :) | 18:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, I think so) | 18:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: current UI is made for hi-res screens | 18:28 |
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| johnx_ | 480x320 is it? | 18:28 |
| lcuk | :) | 18:28 |
| * lcuk knows this | 18:28 | |
| wazd | johnx_: yep | 18:28 |
| johnx_ | awesome, then 640x480 should have tons of room :) | 18:28 |
| lcuk | liqbase runs on anything from 256*224 up ;) | 18:28 |
| wazd | johnx_: I have a screen above | 18:28 |
| johnx_ | ...as long as you have the right xv mode | 18:28 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 18:28 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: now we're getting somewhere. are we sure the gpe contacts and microb browser bookmark page are somewhere in the user folder I am about to back up? | 18:29 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: as an example, should i make it just generate "${EXT_CARD} or ${EXT_CARD}p2 in the bootmenu item -- just to be safe | 18:29 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, positive they're in /home/user, yes | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: like you did for simple | 18:29 |
| b-man | k | 18:29 |
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| wazd | johnx_: http://s46.radikal.ru/i111/0901/9b/6b9c539c0860.jpg | 18:30 |
| johnx_ | ah, thanks. missed it | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: how is it now? | 18:30 |
| WorkingOnWise | cool. thanks johnx_ . gonna backup, reclone, and replace all my mp3's for the roadtrip. | 18:30 |
| johnx_ | gorgeous! | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, much better now, thanks. averaging 185K/s | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: k | 18:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | virtualbox installs! | 18:31 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, sounds good. under /home/user/.gpe there should be probably a contacts.db or similar. might just want to check and be sure | 18:31 |
| lcuk | why not take the .gpe folder as a whole | 18:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx_: there was a "server" version of kernel-modules. That was needed. Thanks for help btw! | 18:32 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/18/viliv-uncovers-gorgeous-x70-atom-communication-mid/ | 18:32 |
| johnx_ | Meiz_n810, sure :) | 18:32 |
| wazd | I can clearly see Hildon :) | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i'm going to give you a .vdi file to test later | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | I can see a windows xp logo in the corner :P | 18:33 |
| lcuk | its already running mer isnt it | 18:33 |
| johnx_ | yeah, those are marquee plugins, what I'm working on compiling right now :) | 18:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | johnx_: yup. its there. thanks. and thanks qwerty12 | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | np | 18:34 |
| johnx_ | WorkingOnWise, w00! great! now you'll have a backup to use as well | 18:34 |
| wazd | qwerty12: yep, and thats a weird thing :) | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd, I know, it's disgraceful :( | 18:34 |
| johnx_ | I wonder if it's a similar system to splashtop or whatever and that's the 'reboot into windows' button | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: btw, hildon-desktop isnt holy, so if we want to patch additional things in it, we do that | 18:35 |
| wazd | I wonder if someone would make same d-pad as that thing, but analog one | 18:35 |
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| johnx_ | I'm just having problems with getting the dependencies to install in scratchbox | 18:35 |
| johnx_ | I'm about to just build natively | 18:35 |
| wazd | why the hell all the reviews contains that gay music in the beginning | 18:38 |
| wazd | la-la-la-la-laaaa | 18:39 |
| wazd | omg, so ridiculous | 18:39 |
| johnx_ | so you know it's a review | 18:39 |
| wazd | johnx_: :D | 18:39 |
| johnx_ | what if you thought it was an ad or something? | 18:39 |
| * Stskeeps watches mer-x86 unpack | 18:40 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: how can i install mer in virtualbox? :P | 18:41 |
| Meizirkki | or how can i mount virtualboxes drive? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: give me 20 mins | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have a vdi ready for you | 18:42 |
| Meizirkki | can .vdi be simply mkfsed? | 18:42 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 18:42 |
| Meizirkki | it can't... | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | wazd: nice design | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: do you have the pretty UI up? | 18:44 |
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| Meizirkki | ? | 18:45 |
| Meizirkki | no | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | the virtualbox xui | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | ui | 18:45 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install unzip while you're waiting :P | 18:45 |
| * qwerty12 boots up mer 0.6 on his tablet. | 18:45 | |
| Stskeeps | woo | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Loving the splash screen, very nice job wazd. | 18:45 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: why not tar.bz2? | 18:45 |
| Meizirkki | smaller :P | 18:46 |
| Meizirkki | is it? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: want to make it possible to use on both windows and linux | 18:46 |
| * qwerty12 is guessing it's for noobs who use vb in windows :P | 18:46 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ookay | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: shush | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ok, I'll keep it on the low :P | 18:46 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, im not a n00b | 18:47 |
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| Meizirkki | qwerty12: are you sure you ran far enought? :P | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, no, I didn't have enough stamina :P | 18:50 |
| johnx_ | not goin' there | 18:50 |
| * qwerty12 hopes johnx_ wasn't thinking the same thing as me :/ | 18:50 | |
| johnx_ | that's what she said? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnable Mer bastards. | 18:51 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, eh? you wanna go? put 'em up | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | what mer cannot do at the moment? comparing to itos | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: long list | 18:52 |
| johnx_ | slonopotamus, it's not your everyday OS yet | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/itos/Maemo/g :P | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki | slonopotamus: battery metering | 18:52 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, not yet :) | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: the lack of a xterm with HIM kinda sucks | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, ? | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | yep, that's blocker | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, is network manager meant to show connections from the offset? I tapped the icon and it says there's no network device available | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, yes | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, might as well start now. | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | bollocks | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: did that for me | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | can't be arsed with this for now, sorry | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, arguably, we're talking Maemo 5, anyway. :P | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: that's weird though :) | 18:54 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, but it's not accurate and just confusing. people's about product section says 'internet tablet OS: maemo Linux based OS2008" | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Yeah :). Maybe I can get a syslog sometime | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, usbnet is always possible, and we have the interfaces thing now | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | so its easier to deal with | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | Damn, I seem to have confused dneary by being rubbish | 18:55 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, huh, it works here, but I was getting weirdness with the wireless after a warm reboot to os2008. you might want to try a cold boot into mer | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Jaffa, we know you're rubbish. :P | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, I already changed Wikipedia so. :P | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | uploading gentoo image | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta. BTW, didn't you own the voting task? ;-p | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, I booted Mer after taking out the battery | 18:56 |
| johnx_ | GeneralAntilles, ok, now go and change everyone's about product page | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yes, and it was finished up to my satisfaction. | 18:56 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, quite odd. did it happen more than once? | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why the system needs to be addressed again. | 18:57 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, how did you manage to boot without the battery in? ir mer REALLY the miracle OS? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, I haven't tried again actually, I didn't know it periodically messes up. I'll try again :) | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx_, tried. ;) | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i didn't know either, but we'll see | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, it sucked power from me | 18:57 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna know what sort of kleenex interface you have | 18:58 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, using cx3110x is like taking a nice new pair of concrete boots out for a swim | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, hehe, I remember recompiling it... | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, one that you won't find in the north :P | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: because a) the s/w needs to be in place and b) there needs to be a referendum | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | "No network devices available" again :) | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | I was kinda hoping that it would pick up my network after entering the details manually. Ah well, I hate nm on my desktop so hating it on the tablet can't hurt :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | if username == "qwerty" go_insane | 19:02 |
| johnx_ | darn. that's really weird | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well, looks like you've got everything well in hand then. ;) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, so the vdi zip is 519mb and its gonna take 2 hours to upload for me :P | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I see rotation doesn't agree with Mer :P | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | lemme try gzip.. | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm? ok | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, rotated right and now hildon-desktop has disappeared :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | with rotation enabled kernel? | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | yep, definitely | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | well then | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | bug report :P | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, I hate bugzilla | 19:04 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, think the x server crashed? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | don't we all | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, don't think so because I can still see the mer background there. I can check properly when I boot with usbnet enabled :) | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't worry, qwerty12, it hates you too. | 19:04 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Where's your write up of your conclusion on the method we should use? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | aww, bugzilla is supposed to have love for me though :( | 19:05 |
| * Jaffa is happy to sort it | 19:05 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: okay, i'll install it manually then. Because it would take another 2hours for me to download... | 19:06 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, would update-mode go to manual if the x server crashes? | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Define_voting_procedure_for_Community_Council_elections | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank Benson | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i use a ubuntu livecd for it | 19:07 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'll use too, | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Rotating inversely crashed it again. Hildon-desktop & cursor disappeared. | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta | 19:09 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 19:10 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, I'm willing to bet it's an x server crash | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: prolly just driver not supporting it | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, weird nm issue on x86 too | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt seem to show icon | 19:17 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: just sent an email, which would appreciate a reply on to give enough background to hand the task over. | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, ha, there was only one proposal last time I looked. | 19:21 |
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| opengeekv2 | hey I've seen a task that i can do | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 19:26 |
| opengeekv2 | the system sounds | 19:26 |
| * ShadowJK just installed Fedora10 on a new computer: NetworkManager is still crappier than icd | 19:26 | |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: hehe, feel free to give it a shot | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | opengeekv2: they must be redistributable and open, that is, you have to make them yourself :) | 19:26 |
| opengeekv2 | yes i know | 19:27 |
| johnx_ | opengeekv2, if you see zenvoid online, you might want to talk to him. I think he was also interested. maybe you two can coordinate | 19:27 |
| opengeekv2 | ok | 19:27 |
| opengeekv2 | he's away | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | yep, he'll probably awake at some point : | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 19:28 |
| opengeekv2 | i edit the wiki to take the task? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | and try to cooperate with zenvoid as johnx said :) he does http://freepats.opensrc.org/ for instance | 19:29 |
| opengeekv2 | jhonx_: i live noar the sea i've thought that I con go to the beach and record som sounds | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah. /me at parents for dinner, so can't get into it too much now. | 19:31 |
| Meizirkki | it took half hour to boot up live-dc in virtualbox. :P i have only 512mb of ram. | 19:31 |
| opengeekv2 | johnx_: maybe sea souns are a good theme sound for mer | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i normally kill gdm as hard as i can and do it in console :P | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I CCed Benson. | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: auto-startx, could it mkdir -p /var/run/console and touch /var/run/console/$USERNAME ? | 19:32 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, yes | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | seems like theres a new check for "at console" so | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | opengeekv2, that does sound pretty neat. I think zenvoid was planning to do something instrumental so that might work well together | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | also, it seems the CWD in X11 for the user is / instead of $HOME, i'll try and sort that | 19:33 |
| * johnx_ makes a note to remember... | 19:33 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: and whatever group you need to be added to, to be able to sudo :P | 19:33 |
| johnx_ | /var/run is backed by a persistent fs, right? | 19:34 |
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| johnx_ | if so first-boot-wizard might be a better place | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: doesnt seem so | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | should be done each time really | 19:35 |
| johnx_ | ah, wonderful | 19:35 |
| johnx_ | if [ $machine = n8x0 ] ; then exec all-sorts-of-weirdness ; fi | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | it should clean out var/run/ really | 19:36 |
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| lopz | hi | 19:42 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, can you try mer with a nokia kernel when you get a chance. i have a funny feeling about your wireless. if I'm wrong I'll owe you a japanese beer :) | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, hehe, sure :). Just need to wait for some files to finish transferring... | 19:43 |
| zenvoid | awaking... | 19:43 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, yeah, no rush. i just remembered something similar from a while back ... | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | morning zenvoid | 19:44 |
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| zenvoid | it is 18:44 here :-) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Mer_0.6 (and same here) | 19:44 |
| zenvoid | remember when I was going to sleep 18 hours ago? I just awoke a few minutes ago | 19:44 |
| opengeekv2 | zenvoid hey you are spanish, french or somethin like that? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: stayed up all night? ;) | 19:45 |
| zenvoid | opengeekv2: yes, spanish :-) | 19:45 |
| opengeekv2 | me too | 19:45 |
| zenvoid | Stskeeps: no, a was sleeping :-) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: opengeekv2 was interested in system sounds too | 19:45 |
| opengeekv2 | yes i do | 19:46 |
| zenvoid | now I start to know why days seem to be so short for me | 19:46 |
| opengeekv2 | are you so busy? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | does anyone know of some system that boots from ISO (x86) and can download from http a tar.gz file system image and then run on top of it? | 19:46 |
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| zenvoid | opengeekv2: no... well, it's been a busy week but I'm not busy usually. I'm just lazy :) | 19:47 |
| johnx_ | so you want it to pivot_root? | 19:47 |
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| zenvoid | opengeekv2: good to know that you are interested in system sounds | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: no, basically just take an tar.gz image, mkfs the hd and make it bootable ;) | 19:48 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, debian-installer? | 19:48 |
| opengeekv2 | yes i live near the see and i tink that sea souds are proper to mer = sea = mar | 19:48 |
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| zenvoid | opengeekv2: very good | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: mmm. | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps, not the answer you wanted. | 19:49 |
| johnx_ | though, I'm starting to wonder if debian-installer can be easily split into the base system creation part and the 'user picks their settings' part | 19:50 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx_, nope, booted using nokia's stock kernel and the no network devices message is still there :( | 19:51 |
| b-man | uploaded http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller_1.9.2-1mer1_armel.deb -- includes fixes for bootmenu item creation, better icon, and now it (shuld) unmount /mnt/mer | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you base it on the sources i published? | 19:51 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, damn! I really don't like things working on one piece of hardware and not on another :/ | 19:51 |
| b-man | yes | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: k | 19:51 |
| * b-man will be back | 19:51 | |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, so, where's that Japanese beer? D | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | *:D | 19:52 |
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| johnx_ | qwerty12, I'll bring it to the summit | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:52 |
| zenvoid | [i'm speaking with opengeekv2 in provate query, spanish is much easier to write for me than english...] | 19:52 |
| opengeekv2 | zenvoid+ | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe, i assumed that'd happen :) | 19:52 |
| johnx_ | that's fine, I can't even think in spanish right now, so it doesn't make a difference | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, there's a bug with h-i-m though. If I type reboot in maemopad, it won't reboot the device :/ | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hahaha | 19:54 |
| johnx_ | qwerty12, just lost your beer | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | damn :( | 19:54 |
| johnx_ | :D | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :P | 19:54 |
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| johnx_ | $%(&$% | 19:58 |
| johnx_ | note to self: killing x really drops networking | 19:59 |
| * lcuk laughs | 19:59 | |
| qwerty12 | I don't like it when you swear in Japanese, it ruins it :P | 19:59 |
| lcuk | hello ciroip | 19:59 |
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| johnx_ | qwerty12, strangely I don't actually know how O_o | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | johnx_, hah, the best metric of a language is how well you can swear in it :P | 20:00 |
| * qwerty12 's philosophy to languages | 20:00 | |
| Meizirkki | oh, now i see what puts my computer down... | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 20:00 |
| Meizirkki | dist-upgrade and gnome in virtualbox at the same time | 20:00 |
| Meizirkki | gnome from live-cd | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:01 |
| Meizirkki | and 512 mb memory :P | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: did you update the version to mer2 btw? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | just for good measure | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | nm | 20:03 |
| b-man | i'll have to do that, i only updated it to 1.9.2-1mer1 ;p | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: updated | 20:06 |
| b-man | ok | 20:06 |
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| stsmer | woo :P | 20:09 |
| stsmer | its a bitch Enter doesnt work. | 20:09 |
| zenvoid | I'm sure it's a silly question, but, how do you make those lines with your state in irc? | 20:09 |
| stsmer | HIM | 20:10 |
| stsmer | or you mean the /me 's? | 20:10 |
| * zenvoid learning irc | 20:11 | |
| zenvoid | ok, thanks! | 20:11 |
| zenvoid | :-) | 20:11 |
| * b-man updates diagram to 90% for merinstaller | 20:11 | |
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| lcuk | hiya yerga :) | 20:13 |
| yerga | hey lcuk | 20:15 |
| b-man | stsmer: do you want me to update that "Initial versions" link to point to http://trac.tspre.org/bman? | 20:15 |
| stsmer | yeah, i thought it was | 20:15 |
| b-man | k | 20:15 |
| lcuk | yerga, have you tested the gtk widgets you built in scratchbox on the device? if so how do they feel? | 20:16 |
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| yerga | lcuk, no | 20:16 |
| yerga | I tried port fremantle hildon to diablo | 20:17 |
| yerga | but I got a nice reboot loop ;) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | ahh yeah it needs a whole other set of things | 20:17 |
| yerga | yeah | 20:17 |
| yerga | it depends in gtk, glib and other | 20:17 |
| lcuk | was just thinking it was core hildon, is your laptop a touch device? | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | core gtk ^ | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you have virtualbox on your touch laptop btw_ | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | no, ive got some scratchbox thing with xephyr but its not used | 20:18 |
| * lcuk does hand waving at the system in a system thing | 20:18 | |
| Stskeeps | k, cos in a while i'll have a 500mb Virtual Disk Image so you could try mer with actual touch :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. on x86, on tablet it is a lot easier now | 20:19 |
| yerga | lcuk, no, mine it's a normal pc, didn't can touch the widgets yet ;) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | yeah cool, thats important, i am interested in how this new menu layout might respond | 20:19 |
| lcuk | some things about it still feel a bit odd | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | are we expecting the old left hand side menu and new mer menu to pop up when you press the menu hardkey? | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: for now we haven't coded a single bit of those things :P | 20:22 |
| lcuk | im walking it through in my mind | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-virtualbox2.png is current theme :) | 20:22 |
| lcuk | which is still the old layout | 20:22 |
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| lcuk | how fast do you think an app could resize from taking up full width to having to move out of the way as your current design does? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | current layout ^ | 20:23 |
| lcuk | would it be one of those sluggish "oh shit we need to make space for keyboard" type movements | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, im gonna read for HCI exam :( | 20:24 |
| lcuk | alright Stskeeps :) have fun :P | 20:24 |
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| lardman|work | hey konttori, just a quick thanks for the packages wiicontrol deb, works very nicely | 20:33 |
| lardman|work | s/packages/packaged | 20:33 |
| konttori | lardman|work: glad to know it's of use to you | 20:34 |
| LostIcons | Whats the deal with the virutal memory on an N810? | 20:34 |
| lardman|work | home time, cu chaps later on | 20:34 |
| konttori | if you add improvements to it, lemme know / send a patch and I can include them in the package | 20:34 |
| lardman|work | konttori: ok, will do | 20:34 |
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| LostIcons | I've got home tools which tells me i have 0kb of vmem. If I try to extend vmem it says it cant do it. Is it extendable only to external SD or can I use some of the 2gb internal? | 20:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | LostIcons: i tought it can only be extended to the internal sd | 20:46 |
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| lardman | re | 20:50 |
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| lardman | anyone seen Linux drivers for the Broadcom bcm2048? | 21:01 |
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| RST38h | reMoo all | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hai RST38h | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: there's always the possibility you've flashed your tablet so much that it finally starts showing bugs ;> | 21:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, or maybe my tablet is picky (like me) about using nm ;P | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | lardman, for desktop or for a mobile device? | 21:18 |
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| lardman | lcuk: doesn't matter I don't think, same chipset | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah, cos a lot of thinkpads have it i believe | 21:20 |
| lardman | yeah, so I've been reading | 21:20 |
| lcuk | came up when i was getting ubuntu on the x41, not even sure if its installed | 21:21 |
| lcuk | i havent had a use for it | 21:21 |
| lcuk | i gather its related to your wiimote | 21:22 |
| lcuk | when they were released i got lots of info from http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Main_Page | 21:22 |
| lardman | no, not the wiimote | 21:23 |
| lardman | it's the Bluetooth chip in the rx-51 | 21:23 |
| lcuk | ahhh so they sent you one to play with :P | 21:24 |
| lardman | no, just preparing :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | :) arent we all | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | hah. new shiny safety communications network for police, etc.. so good cos it cannot be listened in on, etc.. and it is possible to see if a specific TV channel is having extended flicker, then there's a cop car in the near vicinity | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | :D hah | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | the bedknobs are flashing! | 21:28 |
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| LostIcons | Man. Meiz quit. Does anyone else know about extending virtual mem? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | heh, searching google for "the bedknobs are flashing" without quotes gives totally different information to "bedknobs are flashing" again without quotes. i thought google ignored things like "the" | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: not if it's in quotes | 21:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: used quotes? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | on neither | 21:32 |
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| LostIcons | Anyone? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | LostIcons, isnt there an option in control panel | 21:34 |
| lcuk | in memory | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | right, Virtualbox VDI image for Mer uploaded | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | (500mb, ick) | 21:35 |
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| RST38h | National Zoo's Pandas Try Mating! | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | right, http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=258478&postcount=1 | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'll get a proper blog up eventually :P | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | Before or after pandas mate? | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | e | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=258478&postcount=1 | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, w00t :) | 21:51 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, Nice | 21:52 |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets up the unofficial Mer donation fund muhahaha | 21:52 | |
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| so4546546 | hello | 21:53 |
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| so4546546 | anyone here know how to use filesharing between nokia n810 and any pc? | 21:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, s/say/way/ | 21:54 |
| so4546546 | im not sure what windows uses but there is a very easy way to connect two computers up to be able to use shared folders in each computer | 21:54 |
| so4546546 | does os2008 use that too? | 21:54 |
| so4546546 | is it vpn? | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | http://www.myviliv.com/ces/main_s7.html | 21:55 |
| AndrewFBlack | so4546546, you want to file from you pc to your tablet on your home network? | 21:56 |
| so4546546 | yeah and vice versa | 21:56 |
| AndrewFBlack | one easy way is shh and ftp client | 21:56 |
| AndrewFBlack | but if you share a folder on your windows pc it shows up on tablet in shared folder on file manager | 21:57 |
| so4546546 | ssh is a good idea | 21:57 |
| so4546546 | i know how to use ftp | 21:57 |
| so4546546 | i was wondering if there was a way to use shared folders | 21:57 |
| so4546546 | like using home network | 21:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | just share folder on desktop and they should show up on tablet they do on mine. | 21:57 |
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| so4546546 | oh ok | 21:57 |
| so4546546 | well i tried to access shared folder on my tablet for my pc but nothing comes up | 21:58 |
| AndrewFBlack | so4546546, when you go under file manager do you even see where it lists the computers for your shared folders? | 21:59 |
| so4546546 | yes its under the memory cards | 21:59 |
| so4546546 | it shows as shared folders or something | 21:59 |
| so4546546 | so this is more plug and play theres nothing i can really do to get it to work, its supposed to already work? | 22:00 |
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| AndrewFBlack | pertty much all the shared folders on your home network should show up is everyhing setup righton your desktop? | 22:00 |
| so4546546 | supposed to be | 22:01 |
| so4546546 | im going to check brb | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | so4546546, it only shows folders shared without passwords (or something like that) | 22:02 |
| so4546546 | okay i found it but it says i have no access from windows | 22:02 |
| so4546546 | im using desktop with xp and os2008 on my nokia n810 | 22:03 |
| so4546546 | i found that there was a folder in "My Network Places" on xp | 22:03 |
| so4546546 | so i clicked and get this error: | 22:03 |
| so4546546 | a connection with the server cannot be establish | 22:04 |
| so4546546 | ed | 22:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | some marquee in mer: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marquee/ | 22:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | do you have 2 computers in your house? you need to make sure you can share between those to then it should show up on tablet | 22:04 |
| so4546546 | i have done that already | 22:04 |
| so4546546 | its working | 22:04 |
| lcuk | are they password protected | 22:05 |
| so4546546 | how do i change root password? | 22:05 |
| so4546546 | possibly | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: that's interesting | 22:05 |
| so4546546 | im not sure what password protects the folder | 22:05 |
| so4546546 | the root password? | 22:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i have no idea how to include statusbar into marquee-panel :( | 22:05 |
| so4546546 | okay well if i set up a network on my xp as "MsHome" how would I access it on my tablet? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | so4546546, i believe you must remove the password from the network shares. | 22:07 |
| lcuk | you can already see the network, you just cant gain access to it | 22:07 |
| so4546546 | how do i do that lcuk? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: quite well done so far though | 22:08 |
| lcuk | ask your windows network administrator for help on that matter | 22:08 |
| so4546546 | hahahhaa | 22:08 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:08 |
| so4546546 | im sick of using windows | 22:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 22:08 |
| so4546546 | i gotta use it tho its like a groove in the couch | 22:08 |
| lcuk | you already know the alternative | 22:08 |
| so4546546 | yeah | 22:09 |
| so4546546 | how would i set up ssh ? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | but i see nothing wrong with xp either | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: we can always cheat so | 22:09 |
| lcuk | for a day to day its fast | 22:09 |
| so4546546 | i have used ssh to open my tablet to gain root | 22:09 |
| so4546546 | rofl stskeeps | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so4546546, i do it the other way round, ive got winscp installed on my xp box and i use it to do filetransfer and management | 22:10 |
| so4546546 | okay what does it do exactly? | 22:10 |
| so4546546 | is it like an ssh client/ | 22:10 |
| so4546546 | ? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | it connects to the ssh server on my tablet and shows me a file tree/list | 22:10 |
| so4546546 | oh okay | 22:10 |
| so4546546 | is there a way of doing that through firefox? | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, can you isntall it on an armadillo? | 22:11 |
| so4546546 | oh its an ftp client | 22:11 |
| so4546546 | i could just set up a shared folder with the ftp access | 22:11 |
| so4546546 | does maemo come defaulted with ftp server? | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | dunno, but ssh is most used, much simpler as well | 22:12 |
| lcuk | and most secure etc | 22:12 |
| so4546546 | okay | 22:12 |
| so4546546 | so does ssh use ftp? | 22:12 |
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| so4546546 | thank you for the help lcuk | 22:13 |
| so4546546 | where did bugzilla go on the main maemo page? | 22:14 |
| so4546546 | lol | 22:14 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: messing around with your avatar on ITT i see :) | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: a tiny bit yeah | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | decided i was too fugly and i didnt want the debian logo anymore :P | 22:15 |
| b-man | hehe | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | deblet logo, that is | 22:15 |
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| b-man | did you get that mer logo from the merinstaller package? :) | 22:16 |
| * b-man is assuming yes | 22:17 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: actually no | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | it was from the splash screen one | 22:18 |
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| b-man | oh :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | evening benson | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi benson | 22:18 |
| benson | hi | 22:18 |
| b-man | hello, benson | 22:18 |
| so4546546 | hey lcuk are you there still? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | no | 22:19 |
| b-man | lol | 22:19 |
| so4546546 | lol, | 22:19 |
| benson | looking to install mer on my tablet, but I'm polybooting. | 22:19 |
| so4546546 | i tried using winscp but its not working | 22:19 |
| benson | So will it wipe my existing bootmenu, and I need to add a new one? | 22:19 |
| so4546546 | i tried connecting using ftp; root as user and my pswd | 22:19 |
| so4546546 | but its not connecting, saying remote refused | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | benson: yes, it would wipe your current bootmenu and then you need to write some bootmenu items, let me just fetch those that work with Maemo | 22:20 |
| so4546546 | should I be running an ftp client? | 22:20 |
| benson | Or does it leave the old, and I just need to add the MEr entry? | 22:20 |
| so4546546 | (server i mean) | 22:20 |
| benson | Ok, then. | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | benson: we use the deblet bootmenu item system so | 22:20 |
| benson | Cool, haven't worked with that, but I heard the concept. | 22:21 |
| oli | hey, i want to share net from n800 to my linux pc via bt | 22:21 |
| oli | i am connected via PAN, i can ssh to the nokia, and the nokia is connected to wlan | 22:21 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: is that bootmenu item issue still around? | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: which now? | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | benson: basically, make items in /etc/bootmenu.d/itemname.item , http://rafb.net/p/16nfzj26.html | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | one .item per item | 22:22 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: i ment in the latest version of merinstaller. | 22:22 |
| oli | iptables modules masquerade and nat are loaded, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1 | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i didn't check it | 22:23 |
| oli | i set up route manually but this still doesn't work | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | benson: you can do this in advance of installing the new bootmenu | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | benson: and then when done, just install the deblet bootmenu | 22:23 |
| benson | ok | 22:24 |
| so4546546 | someone help me set up ssh/ftp on my nokia n810 | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: feel free to check it before the hordes come in :) | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | actually, let me just review the code :P | 22:24 |
| b-man | ok :) | 22:24 |
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| Meiz_n810 | oli, i have how-to for that... gimme a second | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: what do we require in binutils btw? | 22:27 |
| oli | Meiz_n810: OK, but notice please the direction of sharing - from n800 to PC :) | 22:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | oh | 22:28 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: i don't think we need that enymore :p, i'll just remove that from dependences :p | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: k, and make a new version, and i'll upload it | 22:28 |
| oli | sharing from PC to n800 is just few seconds to set it up | 22:28 |
| pupnik_ | they've finished sucking the blood out of the economy | 22:29 |
| pupnik_ | now they're going to eat the meat | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | oli, okay, i don't know :P | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | oli: give-appled had "share internet" option, but i never tested how it works... | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it was to be implemented (using pand) iirc | 22:30 |
| oli | strange, the same configuration (iptables , route) works OK on slackware pc | 22:33 |
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| * b-man wonders why fsck is taking so long in cdeb2 :\ | 22:34 | |
| benson | Stskeeps: does that /etc/bootmenu.d need to be on internal flash, then? or is on any partition ok? | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | benson: any of them is ok, when bootmenu installs it will copy it to initfs | 22:35 |
| benson | thx | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | also means if you reflash your rootfs you can get it back from initfs, and vice versa | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://rafb.net/p/CTkxBa63.html , desktop.conf in .osso/hildon-desktop | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | notice the X-Position? | 22:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:37 |
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| oli | TODO: ... pand to share internet (IP over BT) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | cheat a bit and restrict marquee to a certain size | 22:37 |
| so4546546 | yay i logged in using ssh | 22:38 |
| so4546546 | :) | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: and then place in the statusbar i guess | 22:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: whatever i set to a size of marquee-panel, it's always the same | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | statusbar too :( | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you edit /home/username/.osso/ files? | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | and /etc/hildon-desktop ones too | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | odd if they're statically placed | 22:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i don't use the policu library.. could that be it? | 22:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | ume-version does not have it | 22:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | *policy | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | maybe, dunno at this point | 22:42 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i wonder how ume-guys did that.. | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | coding probably | 22:43 |
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| b-man | uploaded http://trac.tspre.org/bman/merinstaller_1.9.3-1mer1_armel.deb with binutils removed as a dependence | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ta, uploading quickly | 22:50 |
| * b-man is getting better with dpkg-deb and scp ;) | 22:51 | |
| Stskeeps | how on earth did you know my @tspre.org mail? :P | 22:51 |
| benson | Hey, just saw an untested flashable image. | 22:51 |
| benson | After I get this on, I'll have to give that a shot. | 22:51 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: from deblet installer | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ah | 22:51 |
| benson | (Nothing to lose, my current flash is dead anyhow.) | 22:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | benson, please let me know if that works. I've been wanting to see if nit-kernel-compat works :) | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | benson: kernel basically boots to rootfs instead straight away, instead of through initfs | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | and rootfs then inits some things in initfs | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | (so to revert to your old setup, install a diablo standard kernel :P) | 22:54 |
| so4546546 | hey anyone know how to use ftp to file xfer between os2008 and win xp? | 22:55 |
| so4546546 | i was able to successfully log in using ssh but i was just looking for file xfer | 22:55 |
| oli | so4546546: use WinSCP for file transfer | 22:56 |
| oli | so4546546: it uses ssh protocol to do it | 22:56 |
| so4546546 | yeah i am using that but it wont connect | 22:56 |
| so4546546 | what am I doing wrong | 22:56 |
| so4546546 | that protocol doesn't show up under the protocol list | 22:56 |
| oli | ??? wait few minutes, ill switch to windows | 22:57 |
| so4546546 | ok | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | winscp works under wine btw | 22:57 |
| so4546546 | sftp, scp, ftp are only protocols showing in the list | 22:57 |
| so4546546 | HAH i did it | 22:58 |
| so4546546 | i used sftp | 22:58 |
| oli | so4546546: choose scp | 22:58 |
| so4546546 | i was using ftp before | 22:58 |
| so4546546 | sftp works | 22:58 |
| oli | hm, solved ;] | 22:58 |
| so4546546 | =] | 22:59 |
| so4546546 | indeed | 22:59 |
| so4546546 | i use my tablet to dload files now | 22:59 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: i'm on slackware - installing windows would be faster than compiling wine ;) | 22:59 |
| so4546546 | rather than scratch my harddrive to bits with utorrent | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, hah | 22:59 |
| StsN800 | so4546546, just killing sd cards eh | 22:59 |
| so4546546 | well deosn't really kill them | 23:00 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:00 |
| oli | btw, how fast does the n800 wifi work? i get about ~600kB/s when dloding from pc | 23:00 |
| so4546546 | i have n810 and i get my full 7mB/sec | 23:00 |
| so4546546 | mb/sec | 23:00 |
| b-man | wow | 23:00 |
| b-man | nice :) | 23:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | ~5mb/s is max for 54mb wlan | 23:01 |
| oli | 600kB/s =~ 4,8Mb/s ;] | 23:01 |
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| so4546546 | damn | 23:02 |
| so4546546 | local xfer rate using sftp is only a few kB/sec | 23:02 |
| so4546546 | what i was afraid of | 23:02 |
| so4546546 | is there a local networking optoin? | 23:02 |
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| so4546546 | screw this ima take the damn card out lOL | 23:03 |
| so4546546 | i didnt want to | 23:03 |
| so4546546 | cause i was downloading another torrent | 23:03 |
| so4546546 | removing the card id be disconnecting the peers | 23:03 |
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| oli | so4546546: try scp protocol | 23:03 |
| oli | i can make up to 200kB/s via bluetooth on a short distance ;) | 23:04 |
| so4546546 | is scp protocol a better one? | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | as crap as sftp I'd say | 23:05 |
| so4546546 | what is a good one? | 23:06 |
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| so4546546 | i used scp but i got a "groups" error | 23:07 |
| so4546546 | it connected but there was an error saying the groups command could not be preformed | 23:08 |
| oli | ... you can install apache webserver and dload files via browser -_-" | 23:08 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:08 |
| so4546546 | well i dont have a problem using wincp | 23:08 |
| so4546546 | although the bluetooth method seems ncie | 23:09 |
| oli | not really, if you have wifi | 23:09 |
| oli | my problem: http://www.wklej.org/id/41265/txt | 23:10 |
| so4546546 | well my wifi is giving me 100 kB/sec | 23:10 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:10 |
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| so4546546 | oh i've been meaning to ask | 23:11 |
| so4546546 | is there a "dir" command that lists folders and files within a directory? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ls | 23:11 |
| benson | "ls" | 23:11 |
| so4546546 | really? | 23:11 |
| so4546546 | ls or Is? | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yer | 23:11 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:11 |
| benson | for list | 23:12 |
| so4546546 | thanks bunches | 23:12 |
| so4546546 | lifesavers | 23:12 |
| so4546546 | my heros ^^ | 23:12 |
| oli | homework for you: learn how to use linux/unix shell :) it's really helpful | 23:13 |
| so4546546 | yeah thats kinda what im doing | 23:13 |
| so4546546 | asking these questions :P | 23:14 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:14 |
| so4546546 | only what i need for now | 23:14 |
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| so4546546 | i managed to get 180 kB/s | 23:16 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:16 |
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| b-man | i usally get 95-300kb/s | 23:16 |
| so4546546 | yeah im using wifi | 23:16 |
| so4546546 | and im in basement | 23:16 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:16 |
| * oli is going to bed | 23:17 | |
| so4546546 | rolf | 23:17 |
| b-man | g'night oil | 23:17 |
| so4546546 | gnight | 23:17 |
| so4546546 | its only 4 here | 23:17 |
| b-man | same here | 23:18 |
| lcuk | but this is the internet. its always somebodies bedtime | 23:18 |
| so4546546 | rofl | 23:18 |
| * lcuk was stating fact :) | 23:18 | |
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| oli | maybe nokia's mood will be better on the next day, so it will share the &^%$ bet :> | 23:18 |
| so4546546 | oh got a question, | 23:18 |
| oli | s/bet/net/g | 23:19 |
| * b-man hands so456546 a barf bag | 23:19 | |
| so4546546 | is there a way to copy using usb without umounting the sd card? | 23:19 |
| so4546546 | /barfs | 23:19 |
| oli | usb networking? :> | 23:19 |
| lcuk | nahhh oli, cant be that, its described in great detail in the maemo wiki | 23:19 |
| so4546546 | kthx | 23:19 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:20 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:20 |
| so4546546 | can i has a link lcuk? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=maemo+wiki | 23:21 |
| so4546546 | lol thanks | 23:21 |
| * lcuk hopes to god the usb networking docs exist now | 23:21 | |
| so4546546 | there is one but its not helping | 23:21 |
| so4546546 | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 23:21 |
| oli | lcuk: you mean net sharing, or copying files ? | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | usb net + windows = doesn't work | 23:22 |
| lcuk | oh yeah, the usb networking page exists | 23:22 |
| so4546546 | "WARNING Currently there is a bug in the g_ether.ko driver of OS2008 (both 4.0.1 and 4.1) which prevents USB networking from working correctly with Windows machines" | 23:22 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:22 |
| oli | time to get your own ubuntu | 23:22 |
| so4546546 | i got | 23:22 |
| so4546546 | :$ | 23:22 |
| so4546546 | but my groove in the couch | 23:23 |
| * b-man has ubuntu on his N800 | 23:23 | |
| so4546546 | ubuntu isn't fully implemented yet | 23:23 |
| so4546546 | there are some hardware features not ported | 23:23 |
| deejoe | b-man: how's that work out for you? | 23:23 |
| so4546546 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21262 | 23:24 |
| b-man | it works, a bit buggy but works :) | 23:24 |
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| so4546546 | Ubuntu Mobile has been optimized for the Atom CPU, not the ARM CPU of the tablets | 23:24 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:24 |
| * b-man doesn't care :D | 23:25 | |
| pupnik_ | i don't know why, but i hate ubuntu | 23:25 |
| b-man | 0_o | 23:25 |
| so4546546 | rofl | 23:25 |
| benson | me too, but I know why | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik_, what's your distro of choice :)? | 23:25 |
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| so4546546 | i like mudkipz | 23:26 |
| so4546546 | lol | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | sidux | 23:26 |
| oli | linux from scratch <- the hardcore one? | 23:26 |
| so4546546 | :) | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | that's always good to do, imo | 23:26 |
| pupnik_ | or a debian-core workup | 23:26 |
| b-man | i like ubuntu, gentoo, and debian | 23:26 |
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| so4546546 | debian | 23:27 |
| so4546546 | :) | 23:27 |
| so4546546 | b-man | 23:27 |
| so4546546 | maemo is debian based | 23:27 |
| b-man | i know :) | 23:27 |
| oli | so4546546: try using "," instead of enter | 23:27 |
| so4546546 | oh for my messages? | 23:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 only installed linux to use scratchbox originally. easiest way was deb based distro and I followed the ranking on distrowatch & ubuntu was #1 | 23:27 | |
| oli | so4546546: i don't complain on you, but it's hard to read sometimes ;) | 23:28 |
| so4546546 | does hometools use up resources or is it using kernal? | 23:28 |
| oli | anyone used iptables on n8*0? ;9 | 23:28 |
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| so4546546 | hey everyone i got a funny story about my nokia n810 | 23:29 |
| * b-man will install windows 7/ubuntu on his Studio 15 | 23:29 | |
| so4546546 | the other day i slammed the stylus in as usuall then i started hearing moving parts inside. I'm thinking oh no, I must have dislodged the internal memory stick or something. So i check it out and it looked like there wasn't anything missing hardware wise in the UI | 23:30 |
| b-man | so456546: shure :) | 23:30 |
| b-man | never mind ;p | 23:30 |
| so4546546 | so I shook it around a bit and discovered there was a microsd card moving around inside | 23:30 |
| so4546546 | my next toil was that i didn't have the 6 sided screw driver and the holes that the sd card could fit are too small to take it out | 23:31 |
| b-man | 0_o lol | 23:31 |
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| so4546546 | so i took out the keyboard and stretched the casing without causing damage and the card fell out, a 4 GB card | 23:31 |
| so4546546 | whoever had it before must have been a moron trying to stick a microsd card in the minisd slot and forgot about it | 23:32 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:32 |
| so4546546 | when i got it i had no problem sticking a minisd card in the slot, nothing was in the way | 23:32 |
| so4546546 | so i figured free 4gb microsd card for me ^^ | 23:32 |
| so4546546 | i tested it on everything it does not work :( | 23:32 |
| b-man | that sucks | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | i thoguht it was my birthday and then realizing it didn't work really was a slap in the face | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | yeah | 23:33 |
| benson | maybe they stuck it in there in a fit of frustration. | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | well rofl | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | i think | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | it may have been the cold | 23:33 |
| benson | Or maybe rattling around inside an N810 kills SD cards | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | cause its freezing and i leave my n810 in my bag | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | possibly | 23:33 |
| lcuk | maybe they just wanted to update the internal memory to 6gb | 23:33 |
| so4546546 | but they have a high g rating | 23:33 |
| * b-man hands so456546 a nother barf bag :) | 23:33 | |
| so4546546 | ROFL | 23:34 |
| so4546546 | does anyone know how to do a hardware base format on sd cards? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | computer upgrades from the zoolander school of technology | 23:34 |
| oli | did you hear about sdxc? | 23:34 |
| so4546546 | like the old format of hard drives | 23:34 |
| benson | was thinking more of contacting bad voltages to bad contacts than g-force | 23:34 |
| so4546546 | xc? | 23:34 |
| oli | up to 2TB (!) of capacity in a standard SD-size | 23:34 |
| so4546546 | yeah | 23:34 |
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| so4546546 | holy shit | 23:35 |
| benson | There's a Panasonic tool (for Windows) to low-level format. | 23:35 |
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| so4546546 | 2 TB is monster | 23:35 |
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| b-man | i wish i had that article that talks about that card.. | 23:35 |
| so4546546 | ok would i be able to use it on the card if it doesnt show up in windows disk management? | 23:35 |
| benson | IDK, only tried using it once, and no luck. | 23:36 |
| benson | But I think my card was just well and truly busted. | 23:36 |
| so4546546 | rofl so is mine | 23:36 |
| b-man | so456546: most current devices don't support sdxc cards yet though | 23:36 |
| so4546546 | i think there are 2 possible causes to the death of my card | 23:36 |
| so4546546 | 1 - could be caused by bad voltages on bad contacts from moving around within the n810 | 23:37 |
| lcuk | b-man, the banana one? | 23:37 |
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| * benson is watching Mer installer scroll past | 23:37 | |
| so4546546 | 2 - could be caused by me using metalic tweezers to try to take it out a hole too small | 23:37 |
| b-man | banana? | 23:37 |
| so4546546 | caused some scratching | 23:37 |
| so4546546 | its a scandisk original too | 23:38 |
| * b-man is confused | 23:38 | |
| StsN800 | benson, going for simple or advanced? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 | 23:38 |
| so4546546 | is there a way to low level format a disk that doesnt' show up on the n810? | 23:39 |
| so4546546 | or diagnose? | 23:39 |
| so4546546 | like the old scandisk? | 23:39 |
| benson | advanced, was only way to cram it on SD with 4 other boot partitions | 23:40 |
| so4546546 | :) | 23:40 |
| benson | Some of the prompts were less than enlightening in terms of "what if I don't", but I had the source :D | 23:40 |
| StsN800 | benson, crossing fingers | 23:41 |
| StsN800 | i tested simple so i know it works | 23:41 |
| benson | Well, I know it didn't trash anything; I can read shell script. | 23:41 |
| benson | So if it doesn't work, no biggie. | 23:42 |
| so4546546 | ROFL @ lcuk | 23:42 |
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| benson | Any clue how long this should take to install? | 23:42 |
| StsN800 | hehe, to hell if it works, worse if it destroys things | 23:42 |
| StsN800 | fairly quick after dl | 23:42 |
| * benson is impatient | 23:43 | |
| StsN800 | 7 mins at most, never timed it | 23:43 |
| StsN800 | after the dl | 23:43 |
| benson | I have a pound of bacon to fry up for supper, but I don't wanna get caught in the middle. | 23:43 |
| benson | OK, then, no time for cooking. | 23:43 |
| benson | And it just finished! | 23:43 |
| lcuk | pffft, bacon > mer | 23:43 |
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| so4546546 | rofl | 23:44 |
| StsN800 | the entire collection of images take 3-4 hours to generate, benson | 23:44 |
| lcuk | plenty of time for bacon | 23:44 |
| benson | O.o | 23:44 |
| benson | That's done on a decent x86, I assume? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | normally in a skillet | 23:45 |
| RST38h | what? are you making bacon on a decent x86? | 23:45 |
| benson | lol | 23:45 |
| RST38h | it is P4, isn't it? | 23:45 |
| benson | You could use a frying pan for a heat sink | 23:45 |
| benson | Def p4. | 23:45 |
| StsN800 | x86 for tar-gz and x86 version, armel debootstrap on qemu arm emulator | 23:46 |
| benson | Hmm... rebooted prematurely I guess. Looks like I must manually update the bootmenu... | 23:47 |
| benson | (It probably said so in the instructions, but I read them sporadically) | 23:48 |
| StsN800 | refresh_bootmenu.d | 23:48 |
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| StsN800 | to get the items into initfs (remembered to install new bootmenu? | 23:49 |
| benson | Yep | 23:50 |
| so4546546 | yay 2.9 mB/sec | 23:50 |
| benson | I'd just thought the Mer installer would do that for me. | 23:50 |
| benson | And Mer seems to not work. | 23:51 |
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| StsN800 | did you get the root passwd question in installer? | 23:52 |
| benson | yes | 23:52 |
| StsN800 | show me the .item generated | 23:52 |
| benson | right now it freezes after the bootmenu "started initfs ...", and watchdogs out. | 23:53 |
| benson | Just got Diablo back up, coming right up. | 23:53 |
| benson | ITEM_NAME="Mer on internal card, p2" | 23:54 |
| so4546546 | benson are u putting ubuntu on? | 23:54 |
| benson | ITEM_ID="mer on internal, p2" | 23:54 |
| benson | ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk0p2" | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | benson: http://rafb.net/paste/ next time :) | 23:55 |
| benson | ITEM_MODULES="" <--- problem, I think | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | benson: dpkg -l | grep merinstaller | 23:55 |
| benson | ITEM_FSTYPE="" | 23:55 |
| benson | And the rest looks sane. | 23:55 |
| benson | "noatime,ro", and "linuxrc" | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | MODULES should be mbcache jbd ext3 , fstype ext3, and ITEM_DEVICE ought to be ${INT_CARD}p2 or ${EXT_CARD}p2 | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | just edit it and refresh_bootmenu.d | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: you seeing this? :) | 23:56 |
| so4546546 | hate to sound noob but is mer a linux build? | 23:56 |
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| benson | Stskeeps: sure, but I'm looking at the script first, try to figure what caused it. | 23:57 |
| benson | so4546546: Yep, it | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | so4546546: it's maemo components merged with ubuntu jaunty/arm, in an attempt to reconstruct Maemo and take a new direction to it | 23:57 |
| benson | is open-source maemo on ubuntu (like he said) | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | so4546546: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 23:58 |
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| Stskeeps | so4546546: it's also the thing that'll bring you Maemo 5 components to N8x0 :P | 23:58 |
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