| Jaffa | RST38h: you want the moon on a stick | 00:00 |
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| * Jaffa would check, but webkit-eal's crashed replying to the "fun" EIPI blog post, trying to point out the nature of a representative democracy | 00:00 | |
| lcuk | if i were on slashdot now i would shout: DUPE! | 00:00 |
| lcuk | (or first post!) | 00:01 |
| * Jaffa thought he''d pressed enter, but it's not showing up | 00:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, Tuesday January 13th @ 1400 UTC | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: As I said a few days ago, I do not want ot expect anything at all. Simply observing stuff. | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, sliders are much nicer in fremantle widgets | 00:02 |
| * lcuk rants in #liqbase | 00:02 | |
| Shadow___X | i have a n810 running 43.7 i am trying to install wizard mounter and when i try to install it portmap gives me issues | 00:02 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Web Design meeting January 13th @ 14:00 UTC in #maemo-meeting | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 00:04 | |
| wazd | UTC time is GMT+? | 00:04 |
| wazd | Too tired to search( | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | UTC ~= GMT | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:05 |
| mavhc | utc is what people use when they say gmt | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~utc | 00:05 |
| wazd | oh :) | 00:05 |
| infobot | [utc] Coordinated Universal Time (Temps Universel Coordonne), and is generally equivalent to GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Time zones around the world are expressed as positive or negative offsets from UTC. | 00:05 |
| mavhc | nomally gmt+-0.5 seconds | 00:05 |
| aquatix | hm, does mdictionary work on latest os2008? | 00:05 |
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| aquatix | can't seem to find it in extras | 00:06 |
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| wazd | thanks | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/Screenshot-1.png <- still missing Xcomposite, but we're getting there :P | 00:08 |
| wazd | stskeeps: nice! | 00:08 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you have a downsized version without the 'e' in it? | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | i can see it on this scrshot with the proper light so :P | 00:09 |
| wazd | oh shit | 00:10 |
| wazd | my fault :) | 00:11 |
| wazd | It's a watermark :P | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | heheh | 00:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I like how Phil thinks you're hiding behind an anonymous nick. ;) | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | in more than one meaning, yeah | 00:12 |
| Shadow___X | hmm | 00:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0901/48/3c0a991026db.jpg | 00:17 |
| wazd | I've added a bit top light | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: thanks! updating titan theme with it | 00:17 |
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| TheFatal | any1 had create a image whit moblin imgae creator ? | 00:18 |
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| TheFatal | alguien creo una imagen con el moblin image creator ? | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | TheFatal: it only generates for x86 | 00:23 |
| TheFatal | ou.... | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if you get bored, some kind of icon concept for the window switcher (the one in the bottom) and the icon to the left | 00:28 |
| TheFatal | i belive it is for create images for some devices... | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, UMPC | 00:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For my wiki blog post: Ad blocking, Extras, Root access, Updating the tablet firmware, Uploading to Extras, USB host mode, and Wifi PSM. | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: "wiki.maemo.org highlights"? | 00:31 |
| Shadow___X | hey GeneralAntilles does that include how to fix portmap ? | 00:31 |
| Shadow___X | :) | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, "Wiki articles you're missing out on" | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A more user-centric version of the packaging features article. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | "1000 wiki articles you should read before you die" ;) | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that book was on the best sellers for a while | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad we haven't got 1000 wiki articles. :D | 00:33 |
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| mavhc | 1000 wiki articles to edit before you die | 00:35 |
| lcuk | 1000 wiki articles to create before you die | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 1000 wiki articles to vandalize before you die | 00:36 |
| lcuk | 1000 wiki articles to northernize before you die | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good! We've got a whole series. :P | 00:36 |
| * qwerty12_N800 chokes | 00:36 | |
| lcuk | :D heh | 00:36 |
| * Stskeeps crosses finger for composite working | 00:36 | |
| lcuk | Just wait until I start talking about my time in CS class northernizing databases | 00:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, will you be publishing the series? :D | 00:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :P | 00:37 |
| lcuk | thats quite a good term actually :D | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I know some publishers, anyway. :P | 00:38 |
| mavhc | 1000 "1000 wiki article action" lists to read before you die | 00:38 |
| TheFatal | http://fedoramobile.org/ | 00:38 |
| lcuk | –verb (used with object), -ized, -iz⋅ing. (sometimes lowercase) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | to make northern; impart qualities considered typical of the North, | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, hehe :p | 00:38 |
| lcuk | TheFatal, are you gonna actually try to install one of these OSes or are you just gonna tell us what we already know all night? | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, stop that, you're making me cry :( :p | 00:39 |
| TheFatal | lcuk: xD i try to install it | 00:39 |
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| Stskeeps | damnit | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | xf86-video-omapfb doesnt seem to have composite | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i thought omapfb was on device only | 00:44 |
| * Stskeeps considers if a Xomap binary build would be worth it | 00:44 | |
| lcuk | and you weould use a different driver elsewhere | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, so it is, but still nice to have something pretty | 00:44 |
| lcuk | what are you using when you boot natively on x86? | 00:45 |
| lcuk | or havent you really done that too much yet | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | xorg, + intel driver | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/ | 00:45 |
| lcuk | i dont have intel though on my x41 (or do i?) | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | you can take any other driver :P | 00:46 |
| lcuk | is there a fallback "standard" driver (like windows has) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | ie something suboptimal but will work on anything | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | vesa | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | think xorg does vesa if that is what you mean | 00:47 |
| lcuk | no, ive got a mastercard | 00:47 |
| wazd | well, gtg to captain pillow :) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | yeah it will be sts | 00:48 |
| wazd | See you later guys :) | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 00:49 |
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| Shadow___X | http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6010/screenshot02tx5.png | 00:56 |
| Shadow___X | thats how the problem looks | 00:56 |
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| `Mace | Stskeeps - already don't spend too much time on it? :) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | Shadow___X, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613 | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | dont follow directly - it was a recognisable posting from qwerty12_N800 that caught my attention | 00:58 |
| Shadow___X | thats lcuk | 00:59 |
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| limepi | hey there... anyone familiar with bluetooth keyboard pairing problems | 00:59 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - it's ok. not much of a hassle. i need to move my G3 anyways.. was going to make a shell box out of it | 01:00 |
| `Mace | it's not serving much of a purpose where it is | 01:00 |
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| `Mace | and a 350MHz G3 should be good enough for a shell box haha | 01:00 |
| `Mace | it's a BEAST :) | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, the G3. | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who can argue with the beauty of http://blog.solmetra.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/img_4232.JPG | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, http://maemo.org/community/council/wiki_articles_you-re_missing_out_on/ | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's FUGLY! :P | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: looks good | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps | (wiki) | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think adblock even works under diablo :) | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, feel free to edit. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol "WedgeAntilles is a turd" | 01:08 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, why are all the sprint tasks tomatoed :O | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because the were carried over from last month | 01:08 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'll change as soon as their owners update status. | 01:08 |
| * Stskeeps tries to get Xomap to work | 01:08 | |
| lcuk | cool, just browsing through :) | 01:08 |
| RST38h | General: http://blog.solmetra.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/img_4232.JPG <-- hideous transparent/blut plastic! | 01:09 |
| Shadow___X | lcuk: wouldnt that cause permanent damage or do you just do it temporarily | 01:09 |
| RST38h | =) | 01:09 |
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| RST38h | Although I guess Apple isn't to blame for zillions of Chinese gadgets made of it | 01:10 |
| lcuk | Shadow___X, ask the authors, i just googled the error :) | 01:10 |
| limepi | does anyone know what build works with my apple bluetooth keyboard | 01:10 |
| lcuk | all of them | 01:10 |
| lcuk | ive used it since chinook | 01:10 |
| Shadow___X | oh ok thanks | 01:10 |
| limepi | not the most recent diablo | 01:10 |
| limepi | won't work with mah n800 | 01:10 |
| lcuk | humm not sure | 01:10 |
| lcuk | its had a problem once or twice needing battery popping at both ends and cold starts | 01:11 |
| limepi | I'm considering just going back to chinook because I'd rather have the ability to type vs. microb crashing slightly less | 01:11 |
| lcuk | but other than that it works | 01:11 |
| RST38h | limepi: Have you paired it well? | 01:11 |
| Shadow___X | qwerty12_N800: with this post [hack] Getting rid of "dangling symlinks" and unable to install <package> would that cause permanent damage or is it temporary | 01:11 |
| limepi | RST28h: I tried pretty much every possible permutation | 01:12 |
| lcuk | Shadow___X, you would be better to read the whole thread and see - qwertys initial hack was revised | 01:12 |
| RST38h | limepi: you are supposed to enter the security code on the keyboard itself and press enter | 01:12 |
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| limepi | yes, I did that numberous times | 01:12 |
| limepi | *numerous | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Shadow___X, *what* damage? you can't install/remove portmap anyway | 01:12 |
| limepi | with the message "pairing failed: device resources exceeded" | 01:13 |
| RST38h | oh there was a bug for that | 01:13 |
| Shadow___X | qwerty12_N800: well i just want to fix the portmap installation then have wizard mounter work thats all | 01:13 |
| limepi | yeah... I saw the bug report and apparently there is some funky low-level fix | 01:13 |
| limepi | but I just want to know what build will give me my keyboard back | 01:14 |
| lcuk | has it been that long since i plugged in kb :O | 01:14 |
| RST38h | it should work in all "builds" | 01:14 |
| limepi | it _should_ but it __doesn't__ | 01:14 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot06.png <- now we're getting somewhere! | 01:16 |
| suihkulokki | cool :) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | have you added the reflection to the icon or did it include it anyway | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | think it's included | 01:17 |
| lcuk | cos i think i can make that an option when rendering bitmaps :) | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is this Xomap? | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i think omapfb can do it to really | 01:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i missed out on a gtk file | 01:18 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: once you're bored, can you see if you can get usplash going? | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | or similar method | 01:29 |
| lcuk | is there a nice set of those white alpha icon pngs anywhere (like the bt meter or charger thingy) | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | doesn't fb-progress work? :/ | 01:30 |
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| Stskeeps | no clue under ubuntu | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | under debian it followed LSB | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 01:30 |
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| Stskeeps | eh | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | funny thing in maemo translations | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | # Incoming event text field item. where %d is the amount of SMS threads | 01:42 |
| lardman|home | night all | 01:42 |
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| Stskeeps | msgid "tana_fi_voice_mails" | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | i really ponder if they're going to pull a phone on us | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I hope not. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't mind a phone overly much if it meant only that. | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | or at least phone versions | 01:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But adding cellular to Maemo (even only in a particular version) will destroy the whole OS. | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i've yet to find "Unsigned application" ;) | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, has it destroyed android? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, hell yes. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Java-only? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Limitations placed on the OS by providers | 01:44 |
| lcuk | then how does it run on our devices ? | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Android isn't really open, whatever they may want you to think. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, er, I'm talking about application space for 3rd-parties | 01:45 |
| lcuk | the game you play ontop of linux doesnt take away from the fact its linux underneath | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yes it does. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every played with a Linux phone from Motorola? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The fact that something's Linux really means very little in the long run. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if Maemo becomes a phone OS, everything about the OS is then colored by cellular requirements. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, 4.1" screens don't suit phones | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something as simple as targeting smaller screens will have a profound effect on the OS | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps if you were talking about a Maemo Software with the manpower to handle supporting a cellular and non-cellular platform, then we might talk. | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we're not and they don't. | 01:47 |
| lcuk | i would love for this n810 to have been a phone :$ | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, they don't have the manpower to push some small maintenance upgrades for Diablo | 01:48 |
| lcuk | but it also needs to be a camera | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | just think what evils cellular would invoke upon us. | 01:48 |
| lcuk | like what? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Operator requirements, government requirements. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wouldn't be able to implement liqbase. :) | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the other stuff I enumerated above. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bad news. | 01:50 |
| lcuk | thats poppycock! liqbase will run on anything now - im gonna have it on a toaster by weekend :P | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | A toast is not a cellphone. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get back to me when you can run it on the G1 or one of Motorola's Linux phones. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/toast/toaster/ | 01:50 |
| lcuk | i keep thinking about the g1 actually :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | and on the iphone | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other thing to think about, though, do you really want something with such limited battery life and so unstable as a phone? | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't. | 01:51 |
| lcuk | limited battery life of a phone? | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | N8x0 as a phone | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | they last for days - i dont actually call that much so its just on | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | will have even more limited battery life | 01:52 |
| lcuk | for why? | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not when you've got a cellular interface in there. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | dont you tell me wifi idle time is in days | 01:52 |
| lcuk | its not much different with a phone | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | My phone lasts a week idle | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | and my phone hasa tiny battery | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i charge it once every when i can remember | 01:52 |
| lcuk | my 810 is charged everyday | 01:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't sure we're on the same wavelength. | 01:53 | |
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| lcuk | i am, the point is cellular doesnt drain the battery unless you are using it loads | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes it does | 01:53 |
| lcuk | just like wifi doesnt drain unless you are using it loads | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It drains it more than an N8x0 without cellular | 01:53 |
| mavhc | it drains it 1/7th per day | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | But MY point was that the tablets have limited battery life compared to phones. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is what I think you missed. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | my n810 needs charging every 4 hours if im connected to wifi, my phone goes for days/weeks | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, WiFi drops idle time from 2 weeks to 2-4 days. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's because of your inane resistance to buying a real router. | 01:54 |
| mavhc | isn't the wifi supposed to powersave? | 01:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It is, but lcuk doesn't have a real router for some damn reason. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | So his can't ever turn the radio off. | 01:55 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, my point is, im *used* to that already with my nit - having it as a phone will not even effect my uptime one little bit | 01:55 |
| lcuk | of course i turn the radio off | 01:55 |
| lcuk | when im not using it | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm not interested in having my emergency device reboot loop on my in the middle of a 911 call or die before I get home at the end of the day. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | my devices sit in an ad-hoc wifi cloud. i can ROAM with them and have them all connected if they are nearby without ever setting up anything | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | in my car i can code | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, routers do that just fine | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | without killing your battery in the process. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | i havent got a router in my car :$ | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you switch to ad-hoc | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using ad-hoc all the time is silly. | 01:57 |
| * lcuk pulls hair out | 01:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Silly lcuk Discussion™ | 01:57 |
| lcuk | v3.8b | 01:57 |
| lcuk | on a more positive note ive finally sussed how to lean my device in the cradle against the monitor at the right angle, AND also be able to click my taskbar applications | 01:58 |
| StsN800 | (acon) | 01:58 |
| lcuk | mmmmmm | 01:58 |
| lcuk | (the top of the cradle covers over the bottom 2cm of the lcd) | 01:58 |
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| Shadow___X | do /* */ comments work in commenting invoke-rc.d? | 02:10 |
| StsN800 | nah. # | 02:12 |
| lcuk | usually theres at least one comment in a generic file | 02:13 |
| Shadow___X | eh | 02:13 |
| lcuk | when you read the file itself does it already have comments? | 02:13 |
| lcuk | if so, when in rome.. | 02:13 |
| Shadow___X | yeah its # | 02:13 |
| Shadow___X | but following the tutorial i was just going to comment out alot of text at once | 02:14 |
| Shadow___X | using /* | 02:14 |
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| Shadow___X | i am finally able to overcome the dangling symlinks and uninstall portmap but when i install it again it does the same thing | 02:33 |
| disq | having autoconf/libtool/autobuilder problems, anybody here to help? | 02:33 |
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| smackpotato | look here http://www.oqo.com/store/shop.cgi/op/op_itemdetail.html | 02:49 |
| smackpotato | its organic vga only though | 02:49 |
| Shadow___X | windows though | 02:51 |
| smackpotato | ya that too | 02:51 |
| Shadow___X | but it seems like a normal distro should beable to be installed | 02:52 |
| Shadow___X | then tweaked | 02:52 |
| smackpotato | cool. i was wondering if the nokia n820 will have one | 02:54 |
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| Shadow____X | when i install wizard-mounter it doesnt prompt me where to put the icon | 03:17 |
| disq | woot, passed autobuilder finally | 03:19 |
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| * b-man is gutting his ubuntu jaunty install because ubuntu-desktop is not functioning properly and needs to re-install ubuntu-desktop :p | 03:21 | |
| Shadow____X | is there a way to get an icon for wizard-mounter | 03:25 |
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| b-man | you mean a desktop icon? | 03:26 |
| Shadow____X | no the application menu wheer you install an app is asks you where to put it but its not asking me | 03:27 |
| b-man | just go to control-pannel, pannels > orginise | 03:28 |
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| Shadow____X | yeah it was there | 03:29 |
| Shadow____X | wasnt* | 03:29 |
| b-man | does wizard-mounter have a desktop file? you can check by using 'ls /usr/share/applications/hildon'. | 03:31 |
| b-man | in xterm | 03:32 |
| Shadow____X | no it doesnt | 03:34 |
| Shadow____X | but its supposed to | 03:34 |
| b-man | hmmm | 03:34 |
| Shadow____X | i have had the icons before but i have recently been fixing problems with this flash | 03:34 |
| Shadow____X | so maybe there is a config file or something | 03:34 |
| Shadow____X | that made it not ask | 03:35 |
| Shadow____X | because i can openit in xterm fine | 03:35 |
| b-man | you could try making a desktop file, there verry easy to make :) | 03:36 |
| b-man | i'll show you one. | 03:36 |
| Shadow____X | oh yeah alright | 03:36 |
| b-man | hold on.. | 03:36 |
| Shadow____X | i mean i dont consider myself a newb | 03:36 |
| Shadow____X | want to send me wizard mounters one | 03:37 |
| Shadow____X | lol | 03:37 |
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| limepi | ...how long should I take my battery out for a full, um... "reset" or whatever | 03:43 |
| b-man | 30 seconds | 03:44 |
| limepi | nice. I can wait that long. | 03:45 |
| b-man | lol | 03:45 |
| limepi | I'm trying to do this fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 | 03:45 |
| limepi | and I didn't even do a restore | 03:46 |
| * b-man will be back, need to finish re-installing ubuntu-desktop in his ubuntu jaunty install on his N800 ;) | 03:52 | |
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| Vulcanis | you need to write a guide for that soon >.> | 03:56 |
| b-man | i allrety have; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 | 03:59 |
| b-man | ;p | 04:00 |
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| Shadow____X | is there a way to read the contents of a .deb file | 04:08 |
| Shadow____X | to know where its installing stuff to | 04:08 |
| towo | dpkg -c $deb, IIRC | 04:09 |
| towo | corrrrect | 04:09 |
| Shadow____X | thanks | 04:11 |
| TheFatal | look this --> http://linux.onarm.com/index.php/Main_Page | 04:11 |
| TheFatal | all Related Projects are operating system for internet tablets ? | 04:11 |
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| Shadow____X | how do i know if i am on diablo or os08 | 04:18 |
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| Vulcanis | diablo is os08. just the latest update | 04:18 |
| Vulcanis | which I think is .43 | 04:18 |
| Shadow____X | hmm damn it | 04:19 |
| Shadow____X | i am having a problem where wizard-mounter doesnt fully install | 04:19 |
| TrueJournals | Shadow____X: Does Application Manager show it as broken? Or what? | 04:21 |
| TrueJournals | (Latest diablo is 5.2008.43-7) | 04:21 |
| Shadow____X | i have that installed | 04:21 |
| Shadow____X | and no | 04:21 |
| Shadow____X | i was having issues with portmap ealier | 04:21 |
| Shadow____X | i fixed those and in the commosion wizard-mounter was installed and uninstalled alot of times | 04:22 |
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| Shadow____X | it says installation complete but does not install icons or .desktop file | 04:22 |
| Shadow____X | when exec in xterm it doesn run though | 04:22 |
| TrueJournals | Have you checked in the log in the application manager for any errors after installing it? | 04:24 |
| Shadow____X | will do that right now | 04:24 |
| Shadow____X | doesnt say anything bad | 04:29 |
| Shadow____X | says unpacking it and then setting it up | 04:29 |
| TrueJournals | I think I know the problem | 04:29 |
| TrueJournals | The Wizard Mounter deb appears to be bad | 04:30 |
| Shadow____X | alright | 04:30 |
| TrueJournals | see if ls /wizard_mounter.desktop returns anything | 04:30 |
| Shadow____X | in what dir | 04:30 |
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| TrueJournals | Any directory | 04:31 |
| TrueJournals | It should return wizard_mounter.desktop | 04:31 |
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| Shadow____X | how is that trenka | 04:32 |
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| Shadow____X | how is that TrueJournals | 04:32 |
| Shadow____X | in any directory | 04:32 |
| Shadow____X | ? | 04:32 |
| TrueJournals | Yeah, the / takes care of that | 04:32 |
| TrueJournals | I believe that wizard mounter actually puts its desktop and dbus service file in / | 04:32 |
| TrueJournals | If that's the case, run the following two commands: | 04:33 |
| Shadow____X | well i looked in /usr/share/apps/hildon | 04:33 |
| Shadow____X | and its not there | 04:33 |
| TrueJournals | mv /wizard_mounter.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon | 04:34 |
| TrueJournals | mv /wizard_mounter.service /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 04:34 |
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| Shadow____X | i am searching for it using find / wizard-mounter.desktop | 04:36 |
| TrueJournals | Shadow____X: Is it not just in / ? | 04:36 |
| Shadow____X | no its not | 04:36 |
| TrueJournals | Hmm... I'll try installing it and see if I can figure anything out | 04:37 |
| Shadow____X | nvm TrueJournals you where right | 04:38 |
| Shadow____X | lol | 04:38 |
| Shadow____X | sorry about that | 04:38 |
| TrueJournals | No problem :-) | 04:38 |
| TrueJournals | Run the following two commands, and it should fix the problem: | 04:38 |
| TrueJournals | mv /wizard_mounter.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon | 04:38 |
| TrueJournals | mv /wizard_mounter.service /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 04:38 |
| TrueJournals | (You'll need to run them as root) | 04:38 |
| Shadow____X | awesome | 04:39 |
| Shadow____X | thanks all done | 04:39 |
| TrueJournals | And that fixed it? | 04:39 |
| Shadow____X | yup | 04:39 |
| Shadow____X | sure did | 04:39 |
| Shadow____X | why does that happen | 04:39 |
| TrueJournals | Good... I'll e-mail the author and let him no | 04:40 |
| TrueJournals | For whatever reason, those two files got put in the wrong location in the deb file | 04:40 |
| TrueJournals | As a result, they were extracted to /, instead of where they should be | 04:40 |
| Shadow____X | right | 04:40 |
| Shadow____X | that hasnt happened before though | 04:40 |
| TrueJournals | Yeah, it's a deb-specific thing.. most of them are packed correctly | 04:41 |
| TrueJournals | Files in debs are just stuck in as they should be extracted to the filesystem | 04:41 |
| Shadow____X | oh ok | 04:41 |
| Shadow____X | depending on which repo i used? | 04:41 |
| TrueJournals | Nope, just the deb itself | 04:42 |
| Shadow____X | ah ok | 04:42 |
| TrueJournals | The author of the application just didn't package the deb correctly | 04:42 |
| Shadow____X | ah | 04:46 |
| TrueJournals | Well, I gotta go | 04:47 |
| TrueJournals | Goodbye all | 04:48 |
| Shadow____X | see ya and thanks again | 04:51 |
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| * TheFatal is listening Rammstein - Rammstein on Canola | 06:29 | |
| TheFatal | :P | 06:29 |
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| Shadow____X | what script is that | 06:30 |
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| TheFatal | /me | 06:35 |
| TheFatal | xD | 06:35 |
| Shadow____X | oh you just typed it | 06:36 |
| Shadow____X | thats no fun | 06:36 |
| ryoohki | does anyone know why skype does not seem to support video on the n810? it worked fine on the n800 | 06:36 |
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| johnx | ryoohki, skype never released a client that supports video for the n8x0 | 06:37 |
| johnx | ryoohki, maybe you're thinking of gizmo? or just "internet call"? | 06:37 |
| joyious | Hi, Could someone tell me why the DBUS Daemon keep killing my app ? | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, as johnx says, Maemo has never had Skype video support. | 06:38 |
| Shadow____X | does anyone else have the problem when they install adblock plus it doesnt come up | 06:41 |
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| TheFatal | Shadow____X: already exist a plugin, but only for amarok and other music players on computers, not for devices | 06:52 |
| Shadow____X | ah alright | 06:52 |
| Shadow____X | TheFatal, do you have the same adblock plus issue | 06:53 |
| ryoohki | johnx, no video skype works on the n800 | 06:53 |
| TheFatal | :-X ?? | 06:53 |
| TheFatal | i'm trying to download a map whit radars on Argentina | 06:54 |
| johnx | ryoohki, if so, then you have a different version of skype than anyone else does | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or else you're using magic. | 06:55 |
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| ryoohki | on the n800 it's 10014/1.7.113.22.2 and on the n810 it's 10017/1.7.113.22.2 | 06:59 |
| Drav3n | if my kernel version 2.6.16.27-omap1 should the magic number of my module be the same for it to work, or will 2.6.16-omap1 do? | 07:02 |
| TheFatal | one question... where is the device of gps to configure mapper ?? | 07:03 |
| TheFatal | it's in /dev/pgps ? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810? | 07:04 |
| TheFatal | yep | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No MAC address | 07:05 |
| TheFatal | but bluetooth do not give answer or not active gps function | 07:05 |
| TheFatal | :S | 07:05 |
| TheFatal | btconn or old bluetooth connection ?? | 07:06 |
| TheFatal | Mapper, no Maemo Mapper | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as "Mapper" | 07:07 |
| TheFatal | Mapper 1.0.3.95 by Kaj-Machel Lang | 07:08 |
| TheFatal | whit licence GPL | 07:08 |
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| johnx | ryoohki, I think I speak for everyone when I say that I'd be very interested in a screenshot of what skype looks like on a video call. I know a lot of people have been waiting for skype video calling for a long time | 07:10 |
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| TheFatal | i purge skype :P | 07:11 |
| johnx | TheFatal, Mapper looks very interesting. I'd never heard of it before... O_o | 07:11 |
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| TheFatal | johnx: i'd try to look the url... sorry for my horrible english | 07:12 |
| johnx | nah, found it already :) | 07:13 |
| johnx | and your English is fine. :) | 07:13 |
| TheFatal | :) | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, the OSM fork. | 07:13 |
| TheFatal | i found it | 07:14 |
| TheFatal | http://tecdencia.net/navit/ | 07:14 |
| johnx | aaah, I thought you meant "Mapper" http://mapper.tal.org/ | 07:15 |
| TheFatal | i have problems to configure it, 'cos that app do not detect automaticaly the gps device or the path | 07:15 |
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| TheFatal | xD | 07:15 |
| TheFatal | THAT ! | 07:15 |
| TheFatal | it's the same !!!!! | 07:15 |
| TheFatal | whit another name... (navit = mapper) | 07:16 |
| TheFatal | :O | 07:16 |
| johnx | eh? looks different | 07:16 |
| TheFatal | what the hell... ? | 07:16 |
| johnx | aaah, just different versions. I see | 07:16 |
| johnx | sorry, I was confused | 07:17 |
| TheFatal | really = | 07:17 |
| TheFatal | aa | 07:17 |
| TheFatal | ok | 07:17 |
| johnx | errr...hmm, one sec | 07:17 |
| TheFatal | ok | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mapper is an OSM-centric fork of Maemo Mapper | 07:17 |
| TheFatal | fork ? | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navit is a different piece of navigation software entirely. | 07:17 |
| ds3 | why fork? thought Maemo mapper worked with the OSM repos? | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, it does, I've never bothered to divine the exact intentions behind it. | 07:18 |
| johnx | TheFatal, ok. I understand. Mapper is a fork (a modified version) of maemo mapper | 07:18 |
| ds3 | I see. | 07:18 |
| TheFatal | okok | 07:19 |
| johnx | Navit is something different | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcaci%C3%B3n | 07:19 |
| johnx | they both use OSM maps | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcaci%C3%B3n_(desarrollo_de_software) | 07:19 |
| TheFatal | it can configure | 07:19 |
| ds3 | I do wonder if there is a way to tweak the OSM maps so they use sane colors (at least in the US) | 07:19 |
| TheFatal | i can use google maps, and proyectomapear (argentina) maps | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is fetching bitmaps | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno if OSM offers different colored bitmaps. | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Took me forever to find the alternate language bar on Wikipedia. <_< | 07:20 |
| TheFatal | xD | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think they've moved it since the last time I looked. | 07:20 |
| ds3 | the coloring in OSM maps is abit confusing for a US user... there are blue roads and all roadsare labeled with a square white tag like [I5] instead of being placed in a blue/red shield | 07:20 |
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| TheFatal | oo... problem... log of apt-get install maemo-mapper | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | downloading... | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | bla bla bla | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | Unpacking maemo-mapper (from ...) | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | setting up personal | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | srry | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | miss window | 07:22 |
| TheFatal | i miss update a app | 07:23 |
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| TheFatal | it's there a way to fast the gps reception ? | 07:25 |
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| TheFatal | it's there a way to hurry the gps link ? | 07:26 |
| johnx | install a-gps | 07:26 |
| TheFatal | but if i turn on the gps in a car (supouse without wifi), can i configure the gps to link whit only 3 satellites ? | 07:27 |
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| johnx | uhm, GPS doesn't work like that | 07:28 |
| TheFatal | or hurry up the search and link | 07:28 |
| Shadow____X | a-gps helps | 07:28 |
| johnx | install the "a-gps" program | 07:28 |
| johnx | that will speed up GPS | 07:28 |
| Shadow____X | also gps-clockd or w/e helps too | 07:28 |
| Shadow____X | hey johnx is there a way too zoom in agps | 07:29 |
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| johnx | Shadow____X, I have an N800 :) | 07:29 |
| Shadow____X | lol cant you still install it | 07:29 |
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| johnx | I guess I could. but it wouldn't do anything. :P | 07:31 |
| TheFatal | No space left on device | 07:31 |
| TheFatal | :S:S:S:S | 07:31 |
| Shadow____X | install to sd man | 07:31 |
| Shadow____X | come on | 07:31 |
| johnx | TheFatal, delete the video that came with it :) | 07:31 |
| TheFatal | but whit apt-get ? | 07:31 |
| Shadow____X | TheFatal, you can make the device boot from sd | 07:32 |
| TheFatal | yes, but it is too much complicated :S | 07:32 |
| Shadow____X | no it isnt | 07:32 |
| Shadow____X | lol | 07:32 |
| TheFatal | xD | 07:32 |
| johnx | TheFatal, open File Manager, go to Videos on the device and delete it | 07:32 |
| TheFatal | let see | 07:32 |
| johnx | Shadow____X, he's a new user. don't get him in over his head for now | 07:32 |
| Shadow____X | ah alright alright | 07:33 |
| Shadow____X | :( | 07:33 |
| Shadow____X | when i came to the device i had some linux experience under my belt thats why i bought it | 07:33 |
| TheFatal | johnx: no files in Videos | 07:33 |
| johnx | what about under "documents" ? | 07:33 |
| TheFatal | only google maps | 07:34 |
| TheFatal | 0.1mb | 07:34 |
| johnx | and under "Music" | 07:34 |
| TheFatal | no | 07:35 |
| TheFatal | nothing | 07:35 |
| TheFatal | emm... in document/maps there are files | 07:35 |
| TheFatal | but only read | 07:36 |
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| TheFatal | maps only 800 kb | 07:37 |
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| TheFatal | i have one question... whit apt-get, can i install all files on /media/mmc1/ ?? | 07:40 |
| johnx | TheFatal, no | 07:41 |
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| TheFatal | ok, so, can u tell me how move the OS to a sd card ? | 07:42 |
| pupnik | TheFatal: do you want to experiment with different OS's and configurations | 07:42 |
| pupnik | or just quickly get some free space? | 07:42 |
| TheFatal | no yet | 07:42 |
| TheFatal | i want more spaced | 07:43 |
| TheFatal | *space | 07:43 |
| pupnik | i managed to free up about 5MB of things i did not need | 07:43 |
| pupnik | some under /home/user/ - the default media that comes with OS. some locales. | 07:43 |
| TheFatal | but i have all flash memory used :S | 07:44 |
| pupnik | remove themes you don't use | 07:44 |
| ds3 | be glad nokia didn't do the samething ASUS did | 07:44 |
| pupnik | what is that? | 07:44 |
| Shadow____X | what did asus do | 07:45 |
| Shadow____X | ds3 what did asus do | 07:45 |
| ds3 | ASUS used UnionFS to merge a data area with their image | 07:45 |
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| ds3 | so deleting anything ASUS shipped didn't free up space | 07:45 |
| ds3 | it actually took more space as all that did was put a pointer in the UnionFS metadata that a file should not be shown | 07:46 |
| johnx | ahaha...though really, it kind of seems like a good idea sometimes | 07:48 |
| johnx | makes things a lot more bulletproof | 07:48 |
| TheFatal | what have nitro-privacy.conf ? | 07:48 |
| TheFatal | what haev nitro-privacy.conf got ? | 07:49 |
| ds3 | the best part is, on their cheap model, it comes with 4G of storage...Asus ships about 3.7G of stuff on there | 07:50 |
| Shadow____X | of course they would | 07:50 |
| ds3 | imagine the fun when one decides to delete unnecessary stuff and proceeds to install under the assumption more space is available | 07:50 |
| TheFatal | all the O.S. is in the internal flash memory (256 mb ) ?? | 07:53 |
| Shadow____X | si senor | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | TheFatal, Nitro is Nokia's crash reporter. | 07:54 |
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| TheFatal | seÑor :P | 07:54 |
| TheFatal | GeneralAntilles: ok | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Presumably that tells it which information you want reported. | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | TheFatal, it's not as bad as it sounds, that 256MB is compressed. | 07:54 |
| TheFatal | nono, it is not bad... i'm tinking | 07:55 |
| TheFatal | thinking | 07:55 |
| TheFatal | can i move all O.S. to a memory, whitout loss any data ? | 07:55 |
| pupnik | yes TheFatal - there is a howto | 07:56 |
| TheFatal | where ? :D | 07:56 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+howto+boot+from+mmc | 07:56 |
| pupnik | i do not know which is current | 07:56 |
| Shadow____X | first song i put on n810 was portal | 07:57 |
| ds3 | pupnik: strictly speaking, that doesn't do what he is asking | 07:57 |
| Shadow____X | TheFatal, what device do you have | 07:57 |
| TheFatal | N810 | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, wiki.maemo.org is usually the right answer. | 07:58 |
| pupnik | oki. good point GeneralAntilles | 07:58 |
| TheFatal | i know hotto boot from a flash card, what i do not know is howto move the O.S. to a mmc | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, how not? | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | TheFatal, booting from SD is a bit involved. | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is to remove a couple applications you don't need for the time being. | 07:59 |
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| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: The kernel and initrd at still on NAND flash | 07:59 |
| TheFatal | but i have not too much app installed | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, yeesh, talk about splitting hairs. :P | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | In his case, booting from SD fulfills every requirement he's after. | 08:00 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I would call it confusing terminology... the OMAP2 can boot entirely off NAND like on the beagle board but that isn't what is being described there | 08:00 |
| Shadow____X | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=install+tools | 08:01 |
| Shadow____X | thats the easiest way i have used so far | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish penguinbait would either write up a wiki article. | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't tried his methods, so I can't vouch for them. | 08:02 |
| Shadow____X | i have used console tools | 08:02 |
| Shadow____X | easiest and quickest solution i have used as of yet | 08:02 |
| Shadow____X | just use pbeasy | 08:02 |
| Shadow____X | and its really easy | 08:02 |
| TheFatal | Shadow____X: something like that | 08:03 |
| Shadow____X | what | 08:03 |
| TheFatal | something like that what i want | 08:03 |
| TheFatal | clone the OS | 08:03 |
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| Shadow____X | that will help you clone the os to the 2gig internal sd | 08:03 |
| Shadow____X | or external sd | 08:03 |
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| TheFatal | can to a 1 gb external sd ? | 08:04 |
| TheFatal | can i clone the os to the external sd ? | 08:04 |
| Shadow____X | yeah i guess it really all depends on how much you want to isntall | 08:04 |
| Shadow____X | if you just want afew more mb of room | 08:04 |
| Shadow____X | just delete stuff | 08:04 |
| TheFatal | ok, so if i have a 8gb external sd, i have space for life :P | 08:05 |
| Shadow____X | not for life | 08:05 |
| Shadow____X | but you might not even need it | 08:05 |
| Shadow____X | like i have my os cloned to my 2gb internal and i have more than enough room | 08:06 |
| Shadow____X | and i have over 100 apps installed | 08:06 |
| TheFatal | ok, i will try... | 08:06 |
| Shadow____X | what do you want to install right now | 08:06 |
| TheFatal | now updates | 08:07 |
| Shadow____X | and you ran out of room | 08:07 |
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| TheFatal | but after that, apps to internet access, movies players, music players, games, and start whit dev apps | 08:09 |
| Shadow____X | if you are selective and selete stuff you dont need youll have room for a decent amount of apps | 08:09 |
| Shadow____X | are you experienced with atleast some linux | 08:10 |
| Shadow____X | or are you just starting out | 08:10 |
| Shadow____X | if you are just startying out i would recomment just keep learning the ropes before you try and do an os clone | 08:10 |
| Shadow____X | but thats just me | 08:10 |
| TheFatal | i know fedora, no debian | 08:11 |
| TheFatal | but for the device there is not exist OS | 08:12 |
| Shadow____X | ah alright | 08:12 |
| Shadow____X | then use the link i sent you | 08:12 |
| TheFatal | yes, i'm reading | 08:12 |
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| TheFatal | other question... (i wanna learn ;) ) can i set the external sd to swap... ?? | 08:13 |
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| TheFatal | like swapon /dev/mmcblk1 | 08:13 |
| Shadow____X | you can already do that in control panel | 08:14 |
| TheFatal | so it is possible :) | 08:14 |
| Shadow____X | TheFatal, i believe so | 08:14 |
| Shadow____X | but i have not tried | 08:14 |
| Shadow____X | so cant verify or confirm | 08:15 |
| TheFatal | whit a secondary partition i will try | 08:15 |
| TheFatal | ... partition. I will try | 08:15 |
| Shadow____X | so uh i am having an issue making a symlink | 08:19 |
| Shadow____X | isnt it ln -s what i want mounted /where i wanted it mounted | 08:20 |
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| TheFatal | i wonder if exist an app like htop | 08:23 |
| Shadow____X | is there a reason why i cant mount /home/usr.MyDocs/Remote_Filesystem somewhere | 08:26 |
| Shadow____X | i am trying to symlink it to the intermal memory | 08:26 |
| Shadow____X | is it because it has fat32 on it | 08:27 |
| TheFatal | probably | 08:27 |
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| TheFatal | why apt-get purge do not work ? | 08:32 |
| Shadow____X1 | apt-get clean ? | 08:32 |
| TheFatal | purge | 08:32 |
| Shadow____X1 | dont know | 08:32 |
| TheFatal | purge do not work | 08:32 |
| Shadow____X1 | but if you want to purge a sepcificpackage use dpkg | 08:32 |
| Shadow____X1 | fat32 doesnt support symbolic links :( | 08:33 |
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| Shadow____X1 | anyone know the size of screw are on the sides of a n810 | 08:37 |
| TheFatal | do you want to remove it ? | 08:40 |
| Shadow____X1 | no it keeps coming loose | 08:41 |
| Shadow____X1 | lol | 08:41 |
| TheFatal | xD | 08:41 |
| bef0rd | TheFatal, are you using apt-get --purge remove <pack>? | 08:43 |
| TheFatal | no | 08:44 |
| TheFatal | apt-get purge <pkg> | 08:44 |
| TheFatal | but it did not work | 08:44 |
| TheFatal | it do not work yet | 08:45 |
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| TheFatal | How can be than nokia maps do not have some little argentina citys like mine? :S | 08:46 |
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| TheFatal | ou, low battery... -.- | 08:49 |
| * TheFatal did not find the charger, so his N810 off | 08:53 | |
| Shadow____X1 | ah | 08:53 |
| Shadow____X1 | you can buy another one | 08:53 |
| Shadow____X1 | lol | 08:53 |
| TheFatal | xD | 08:53 |
| TheFatal | in argentina this device do not exist | 08:54 |
| TheFatal | lol | 08:54 |
| Shadow____X1 | ah so how did you get it | 08:54 |
| TheFatal | ;) contacts | 08:54 |
| Shadow____X1 | ah so your from argentina? | 08:54 |
| TheFatal | yes | 08:54 |
| TheFatal | that is why my english is a little horrible | 08:55 |
| TheFatal | :P | 08:55 |
| Shadow____X1 | ah alright | 08:55 |
| Shadow____X1 | hey your learning | 08:55 |
| Shadow____X1 | youll get there | 08:55 |
| TheFatal | :) | 08:55 |
| Shadow____X1 | anyway goodnight | 08:56 |
| TheFatal | goodnight | 08:56 |
| Shadow____X1 | mounted a remote share gonna abuse bandwith and stream | 08:56 |
| Shadow____X1 | :D | 08:56 |
| TheFatal | xD | 08:56 |
| TheFatal | i have 256, so that it's a little difficult | 08:57 |
| TheFatal | :P | 08:57 |
| TheFatal | and 5 am... | 08:57 |
| TheFatal | still in bathroom | 08:57 |
| TheFatal | jeje | 08:57 |
| TheFatal | i belive than wifi is the best of the best inventions | 08:58 |
| TheFatal | ;) | 08:58 |
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| x29a | did anybody port wireshark to maemo already? | 09:21 |
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| AstralStorm | TheFatal: bluetooth is actually better | 09:52 |
| AstralStorm | did anyone write an ssh-agent script already? | 09:52 |
| AstralStorm | to start it as a system service, but still ask for the password in X correctly? | 09:53 |
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| AstralStorm | the trick is I want to set up an ssh tunnel from xinetd | 09:56 |
| AstralStorm | so it has to be started before it | 09:56 |
| AstralStorm | and also has to set environment variables both for user and root | 09:58 |
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| Shadow_M | how would i setup fstab to use swap | 10:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Is MerEcho theme in repo? | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, but titan is | 10:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: apt-get dist-upgrade should be safe now, and you can apt-get remove xserver-xorg and replace with xserver-xomap | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | for speedier X | 10:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | ookay | 10:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | tricks needed for touchscreen? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, not on your part, but on my part :P | 10:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 10:18 |
| Shadow_M | a n810 with swap is is wayyy better | 10:19 |
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| AStorm | Shadow_M: now, that's nothing new :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot06.png | 10:21 |
| Shadow_M | for me it is guess i am playing vatch up | 10:21 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: still no l10n file? | 10:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | i saw that @ itT | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: the fucky part is there -is- a l10n file | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | i just have no clue why it isn't picking it up | 10:23 |
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| AStorm | maybe wrong filename? | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | looks correct, but we'll see | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | we're going good leaps towards 0.6 at least :P | 10:30 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, will be AFK for a couple hours, but will get the final touches to first-boot-wizard done tonight | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright, - should we switch to Xomap in the next release, but allow people to install xorg if they so desire? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | let's talk when you're back :) | 10:34 |
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| johnx | ok, sounds good | 10:35 |
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| ryoohki | i just read that n810 wimax was end-of-life | 10:38 |
| ryoohki | that was short | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't mean the devices are useless though | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | they are n810s after all | 10:38 |
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| AStorm | well, even n800 isn't all that useless | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | I hope they don't hurry with the n900. I just bought a new computer and if nokia comes out with n900 soon my wallet will cry :) | 10:40 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | morning aquatix | 10:49 |
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| * aquatix starts saving for a nokia n900 and a palm pre | 10:50 | |
| aquatix | next gen stuff++ | 10:50 |
| pupnik | what OS does palm pre run? | 10:51 |
| aquatix | http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html <- more info | 10:51 |
| aquatix | their own linux-based OS | 10:51 |
| aquatix | now what's it called again... | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks it's locked down completely | 10:52 |
| aquatix | actually, no | 10:52 |
| aquatix | http://mytreo.net/treo-and-palm-news/palm-pre-video-exposes-all-exclusive/ <- some really interesting demo's | 10:52 |
| aquatix | and they have some decent concepts in it | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | as in, non-replacable firmware | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:54 |
| aquatix | ah | 10:54 |
| aquatix | dunno actually :) | 10:54 |
| * aquatix wouldn't mind having a maemo-y phone | 10:54 | |
| aquatix | but that Pre actually looks rather nice | 10:54 |
| aquatix | so, scrap that n97 :) | 10:54 |
| aquatix | wonder how hackable the OS is though | 10:55 |
| aquatix | and how much is supported by default | 10:55 |
| RST38h | moo all | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ people making 19 page pdf presentations for 10 minute presentations | 10:55 |
| aquatix | heya | 10:55 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: whoa | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | that's going to be horrid to watch | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, you usually say a minute per slide | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | to go in sufficient depth with it | 10:57 |
| aquatix | i like those where the guy has 3 slides for 45 minutes; 1 with `hello', 1 with a few bullet points and one with `questions?' | 10:57 |
| aquatix | and still have a great talk | 10:57 |
| aquatix | it's a bit unnerving to have to focus on the speaker though ;) | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: yeah, - especially when the 80% rule comes in .. 80% people are asleep at a conference, 10% are asians asking obvious questions, and 10% have to look awake cos they're the chairs of the session | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | asleep/doing something else at their laptops/dozing off | 11:00 |
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| pupnik | palm doing linux? hoo-ray! | 11:07 |
| RST38h | won't save them | 11:07 |
| pupnik | "You will not be saved by the god plutonium" | 11:08 |
| pupnik | - Prince of Darkness | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | lol @ e-mail at work. "We need the coffee pots back -now-. The student helpers can't make coffee for exam sessions" | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Bring your own! | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: professors without their shots of caffeine are horrid to have exams with | 11:11 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, Lenovo ThinkPad's battery just died. Says "battery error occurred, can't charge battery" | 11:14 |
| RST38h | That has been about 3 months | 11:14 |
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| ShadowJK | What kind of warranty do they have on their batteries now? | 11:16 |
| RST38h | No idea, it is probably all in Chinese | 11:16 |
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| pupnik | which thinkpad RST38h ? | 11:19 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: T61 | 11:23 |
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| pupnik | has nice keyboard RST38h ? | 11:24 |
| AStorm | oh, it does | 11:24 |
| AStorm | only X61 is nicer :) | 11:24 |
| _berto_ | and X61s :p | 11:25 |
| AStorm | and X61t | 11:25 |
| AStorm | :) | 11:25 |
| pupnik | seems unlikely that X series kbd would beat the t SERIES | 11:26 |
| pupnik | ok i'm disabling caps lock | 11:26 |
| pupnik | and swapping ctrl/fn | 11:27 |
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| pupnik | that is the greatest ibm/lenovo mistake. "fn" right under the littlest finger | 11:27 |
| AStorm | it's the same keyboard | 11:28 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:28 |
| AStorm | but the other stuff is better | 11:29 |
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| _berto_ | I really have no problems with the Fn key | 11:32 |
| _berto_ | and I'm a hardcore emacs user :) | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: mer is the way it is because a "yes, we'll keep on patching and patching a diablo firmware image" .. i'm not hellbent on replacing every single closed source bit | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | + that firmware image distribution wouldn't be sustainable | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | forgot a subsentence there :) | 11:34 |
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| t_s_o | heh, sorry if i have gotten the wrong impression then, it just seems right now like its rebuilding maemo from the ground up | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: we are in some ways, but it's also to get rid of some cruft | 11:35 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Not using its keyboard (it kinda sucks too). Not using its screen (it is ugly 16:9 and looks faded) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | while in reality we are reusing 70% of maemo components | 11:35 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: It is plugged inyto a docking station and as of this morning I am not even using its battery | 11:35 |
| t_s_o | i guess ill understand it more ones i see screenshots that basically look like the avarage diablo screen. right now it looks like its shaved to the dirt... | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Just wishing I had got an HP laptop instead | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | t_s_o: yeah, but what people also don't realize is that now typical linux tricks work :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to run abiword, and you're ok with it not being hildonized, just apt-get it | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | or get that fresh new JDK port | 11:37 |
| AStorm | except not having menu sucks :P | 11:37 |
| t_s_o | heh, maybe put up a screenshot of said abiword running then, as it seems many are waiting for one that works | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: the menu is there always | 11:37 |
| AStorm | I mean, app menu | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-2.png | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: and i did :) | 11:37 |
| t_s_o | and i have yet to see that on the forum ;) | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | it is in the screenshots thread | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| AStorm | btw, i removed a certain huge ~something dir from home | 11:38 |
| pupnik | hm | 11:38 |
| t_s_o | all i see is that bare bones mer desktop with one icon to the side and maybe 3 icons up top... | 11:38 |
| AStorm | and now am missing some images | 11:38 |
| AStorm | e.g. rmb ticky and a few in balloons | 11:38 |
| AStorm | which package should I reinstall? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: admittedly some things are missing, but having a stable and themable hildon-desktop, where it's "just another session" along with LXDE, XFCE, KDE, etc is a good step | 11:39 |
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| t_s_o | in other words, the impression i have gotten of mer so far is if not wrong, badly slanted... | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | compared to the fact a couple of months we had a console only ;) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | +ago | 11:40 |
| AStorm | whee, menu doesn't fit | 11:40 |
| AStorm | well, we should have our gtk fixed to autohildonize such | 11:41 |
| AStorm | as much as possible | 11:41 |
| t_s_o | hmm, seems i really have not payed much attention to the screenshots thread lately... | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | AStorm: stuff like that should be possible, i guess :P | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | but i dunno | 11:42 |
| aquatix | AStorm: ooh, autohildonising | 11:44 |
| AStorm | it was just a bad design decision on part of Nokia :P | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: but yes, mer is a bit radical compared to the idea of "patching firmware images" | 11:45 |
| AStorm | so that we get to relink a klot of stuff and mark things explicitly | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | (which btw, is absolutely shit to maintain) | 11:45 |
| AStorm | the wxGTK port was the right thing | 11:45 |
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| t_s_o | ugh, seems my rant got a thanks, whiskey tango foxtrot to the nth degree... | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: in any case, we're at a place in Mer where we can use fremantle widgets and we're quite API compatible with Maemo, so :) | 11:49 |
| * Stskeeps likes the new file chooser | 11:49 | |
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| t_s_o | hmm, to change, or not to change... | 11:49 |
| t_s_o | im not really tempted to flash my tablet right now... | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe. wait a little bit till we get a proper wifi applet going | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bitch without it :) | 11:50 |
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| t_s_o | ah, i knew there was something missing ;) | 11:51 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: new file chooser? | 11:52 |
| aquatix | you have a screenshot of it? | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Maybe you can add some code that automatically converts Gnome menus into hildon ones? =) | 11:52 |
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| aquatix | or a url to that screenshot thread :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot04.png | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | (when themes were broken) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | the top icon is supposed to be an arrrow | 11:52 |
| t_s_o | :S | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: it shows 3 files per screen? =) | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: kinetic scrolling though | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | in any case, noone said it was the final widgets | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | what if I have got 100+ files in a directory? =) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | it might be special cos its a images directory | 11:54 |
| RST38h | true... | 11:54 |
| t_s_o | ugh, i hope any kind of kinetic scrolling in the main ui will be either tweakable or basically a one tap checkbox to turn off... | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | or better yet, patchable ;) | 11:56 |
| t_s_o | huh? | 11:56 |
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| AStorm | nah | 11:57 |
| AStorm | options are better than patches | 11:57 |
| AStorm | gconf toggle would be nice enough | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | t_s_o: as in, it's slightly easier to take in patches in stuff like Mer, to enable options for it | 11:58 |
| t_s_o | heh, true that | 11:58 |
| AStorm | but vice versa in maemo | 11:58 |
| AStorm | so | 11:58 |
| `Mace | ugh | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Any idea why they added 32bit support to sapwood last week? :) | 11:58 |
| `Mace | i still think the developers of skype lite should be lined up and shot | 11:59 |
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| `Mace | all i can do is hope fring or nimbuzz makes something that works in android and does true voip | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: nop. i'm perfectly happy wih 16bit ;) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: it's probably to make it more portable or whatever. | 11:59 |
| AStorm | `Mace, eh? it works... somewhat | 11:59 |
| AStorm | w/o video yet though | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Or .... | 11:59 |
| `Mace | for android ;) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: but the author sits in this channel anyhow :P | 11:59 |
| `Mace | android ver calls a special # | 12:00 |
| `Mace | uses your skype credit to do so | 12:00 |
| `Mace | it is retarded | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | Btw it is also nice to see a lot of MAEMO_CHANGES gone in gtk/gdk.. | 12:00 |
| `Mace | and uses cell minutes | 12:00 |
| AStorm | ugh | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, there's a great deal that should go upstream | 12:01 |
| `Mace | it is disgusting.. i could understand if it is against tmobiles tos to not use their data path for voip | 12:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, there is a reason for RGBA | 12:01 |
| `Mace | but they don't even give you the option to use your wifi for it :) you are forced to call this forwarding number .. which is rather ghetto | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Alpha probably.. | 12:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Nokia appears to be changing to RGBA as a standard for all their S60 smartphones | 12:01 |
| `Mace | it is an absolute disappointment | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: For example, 5800 no longer appears to even allow 16bpp mode | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: heh, one more reason to like skype on tablets | 12:02 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - yeah ;) | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But it seems that the screen is still 16bit native. So you get banding or need dithering. | 12:02 |
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| `Mace | at least n800 uses it like it's supposed to | 12:02 |
| * Stskeeps uses it to talk to gf an it functions ok | 12:02 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: The LCD in 5800 is physically a 24bpp LCD | 12:02 |
| `Mace | i wish we had wimax here i'd get a wimax n810 | 12:02 |
| `Mace | android is pretty awesome tho | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | even with it going EOL? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: We do not really know what the N9x0 screen will be | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Maybe they really want it to be 24bpp (because a hires camera is being included) | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm all for it ;) | 12:03 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: but maybe they just want this as an option | 12:03 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Actually, I would like a 16bpp option. It is twice less data to move | 12:03 |
| `Mace | when is the n900 due out? | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | Maybe for the N900 Pro edition deluxe [tm] ;) | 12:04 |
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| `Mace | haha | 12:04 |
| `Mace | pro edition deluxe huh? :) | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | `Mace: Sure, a modular system ;) | 12:05 |
| aquatix | with shaver and beer cooler | 12:05 |
| aquatix | and espresso capsule | 12:05 |
| `Mace | haha | 12:05 |
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| aquatix | meh, now i wish they had a real espresso machine here | 12:06 |
| jX | Ok, so, I have an MP3 stream that I've added to the Media Player. However, unlike the nice BBC RealMedia streams, MP decides that it wants to buffer a button of data before playing. Can I tell it not to buffer so much? | 12:07 |
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| andre___ | aquatix, i think there's an app for the iphone that displays and sounds like a shaver (if you drive a car and the police stops you you can always say "i didn't call, i shaved") | 12:09 |
| andre___ | so it's not that unrealistic ;-) | 12:09 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 12:09 |
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| `Mace | hahahahaha | 12:09 |
| AStorm | cops aren't *that* stupid | 12:09 |
| `Mace | god help the cop that falls for that shit | 12:09 |
| aquatix | how pathetic | 12:09 |
| `Mace | AStorm - you would be amazed... | 12:10 |
| AStorm | better excuse is to say "it's my gps" | 12:10 |
| aquatix | do iphone user think that'd work? :) | 12:10 |
| AStorm | `Mace, not around here | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: what's your attitude to bugs that will show up in their next SDK iteration? (i have a silly problem with hildon-desktop and dbus-glib that happens when you use their 0.78 instead, which is in SVN :) | 12:10 |
| `Mace | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dos1bm_tU_k | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | a crashy problem :> | 12:10 |
| * aquatix thinks it's stupid to drive around with a phone to your ear anyway; there are bt headsets for that | 12:10 | |
| `Mace | an example of how good cops are at doing their job :) | 12:10 |
| AStorm | yeah | 12:10 |
| aquatix | it's not like those headsets are uberexpensive or something | 12:11 |
| AStorm | and also, bluetooth audio | 12:11 |
| AStorm | need more bluetooth enabled car audio systems | 12:11 |
| andre___ | Stskeeps, just file them and set version to 5.0, and write in the report that it's from svn :-P | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, okay | 12:11 |
| andre___ | gimme bugs! | 12:11 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i preferred a bt headset over a bt car stereo | 12:12 |
| aquatix | now i'm actually comprehensible over the phone ;) | 12:12 |
| AStorm | it's illegal to use headphones in a car here for a driver | 12:12 |
| `Mace | AStorm - does that mean deaf people aren't allowed to drive? | 12:12 |
| AStorm | (except ear aids) | 12:12 |
| AStorm | `Mace, totally deaf usually aren't | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: hmm. there's no version 5.0 | 12:13 |
| `Mace | that's fucked up | 12:13 |
| `Mace | :) | 12:13 |
| AStorm | hearing aids are allowed | 12:13 |
| AStorm | not fucked up | 12:13 |
| `Mace | sure it is | 12:13 |
| AStorm | really, hearing is very useful still | 12:13 |
| `Mace | i could understand blind people not being able to | 12:13 |
| `Mace | and considering how some people play music in their cars | 12:13 |
| aquatix | AStorm: head *set*, just a small thingee in one ear | 12:13 |
| `Mace | they might as well be deaf anyways | 12:13 |
| aquatix | on one ear in my case even, you hear everything around you still | 12:14 |
| AStorm | aquatix, might work, haven't triedd | 12:14 |
| `Mace | but not allowing deaf people to drive sounds like a law suit waiting to happen | 12:14 |
| `Mace | most places don't give you a hearing test to get a lic | 12:14 |
| andre___ | Stskeeps, component? | 12:14 |
| AStorm | `Mace, you might get a special licence | 12:14 |
| AStorm | but I'm not sure | 12:14 |
| andre___ | Stskeeps, I know. I've been quite conservative with that stuff; only added 5.0 for the Dev platform itself | 12:14 |
| `Mace | lol.. i wonder what IL has to say about it | 12:14 |
| AStorm | see, many important signals are aural | 12:15 |
| `Mace | then again.. you can just pay off our gov | 12:15 |
| AStorm | e.g. sirens | 12:15 |
| `Mace | and get lic :) | 12:15 |
| `Mace | oh wait.. that was the last one | 12:15 |
| `Mace | you can pay this one for senate seats | 12:15 |
| aquatix | `Mace: yeah, i think that if deaf people are trained well and keep an eye on things, they're just fine on the road | 12:15 |
| aquatix | AStorm: there's flashes too | 12:15 |
| AStorm | yeah | 12:15 |
| AStorm | see them from behind | 12:15 |
| `Mace | aquatix - i know.. i can't see why someone who is deaf could be denied a lic | 12:15 |
| AStorm | they don't have the same range | 12:15 |
| RST38h | http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/25329027/ | 12:16 |
| aquatix | they where testing sirens on car stereos here btw, so might be able to do something similar with a blinking led in the car of a dead person | 12:16 |
| RST38h | hehe | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: hildon app framework and such | 12:16 |
| aquatix | AStorm: i see the flashes before i hear the sirens generally | 12:16 |
| `Mace | that is an easy solution | 12:16 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Are dead legally allowed to drive where you live? | 12:16 |
| aquatix | when in my car | 12:16 |
| aquatix | RST38h: erm, no, i think not | 12:16 |
| `Mace | they just need to send out a signal | 12:16 |
| aquatix | not sure though :) | 12:16 |
| AStorm | aquatix, well, you're deaf or sth ;) | 12:16 |
| aquatix | oh lol | 12:16 |
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| `Mace | it might be something to add to all cars anyways | 12:17 |
| aquatix | RST38h: stupid typo ;) | 12:17 |
| AStorm | or they don't use them | 12:17 |
| `Mace | sometimes it is hard to tell where a siren is coming from around a corner | 12:17 |
| RST38h | aquatix: A pity if they ain't though | 12:17 |
| `Mace | the flashing light in a car would be good to have | 12:17 |
| `Mace | until some hax0ring jackass figures out how to send it out on his cell phone | 12:17 |
| AStorm | hahaha | 12:17 |
| AStorm | like with fm modulators | 12:17 |
| `Mace | and fucks everybody up haha | 12:17 |
| aquatix | RST38h: yeah, i want to be able to drive my car when returning as undead | 12:17 |
| andre___ | Stskeeps, here you go | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: thank you | 12:18 |
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| AStorm | the fun part is sending a siren over some radio frequency of local radio station | 12:18 |
| AStorm | fun for the whole family | 12:18 |
| AStorm | these have a range of a few meters | 12:19 |
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| AStorm | it's almost legal too | 12:20 |
| `Mace | wtf! | 12:22 |
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| `Mace | http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/programs/gdl.html | 12:22 |
| `Mace | All occupants under age 19 must wear safety belts. | 12:22 |
| `Mace | i could have SWORN.. there was a law FORCING you to wear a seatbeld in IL now | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | not wearing a seatbelt is just stupid anyhow | 12:23 |
| AStorm | just under 19? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 <- spent two days this weekend on this thing :) | 12:23 |
| AStorm | here it's mandatory for all | 12:23 |
| aquatix | AStorm: here too | 12:24 |
| andre___ | Stskeeps, was that an implicit "high priority, please" statement? :-P | 12:24 |
| AStorm | and small children have to use children seats or what's their name | 12:24 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - i know... :) but still.. | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: hehe, no, i fixed it in our branch and provided it as a gesture for them :) | 12:24 |
| `Mace | i don't believe it is the government's job to babysit its citizens | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | andre___: as they'll run into it at some point themselves | 12:25 |
| `Mace | which is why i usually oppose drug enforcement | 12:25 |
| andre___ | yaya, a bug is a testcase not written yet :-) | 12:25 |
| AStorm | `Mace, well, you're right | 12:25 |
| `Mace | who is the government to say that it is ok for a woman to have an abortion.. but it is not ok for someone to shoot heroin? | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Mace: Right. Remove all warning labels and start a voluntary euthanasia program, preferably on the equal opportunity principle | 12:25 |
| `Mace | A person under the age of 21 who is found guilty or granted court supervision for a violation of state law or local ordinance relating to illegal consumption, possession, purchase or receipt of alcohol, regardless of whether a vehicle was involved will face a loss of driving privileges, | 12:26 |
| AStorm | RST38h, warning labels are ok | 12:26 |
| `Mace | underage drinking means you lose your ability to drive even if you weren't driving? | 12:26 |
| `Mace | that is idiotic :) | 12:26 |
| RST38h | AStorm: no, I absolutely INSIST on removing ALL warning labels! | 12:26 |
| AStorm | `Mace, yeah | 12:26 |
| aquatix | `Mace: because drugs are bad mmkay? | 12:26 |
| AStorm | RST38h, why? | 12:26 |
| `Mace | aquatix - says who? | 12:26 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Let Darwin harvest the idiots first!@ | 12:26 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 12:26 |
| `Mace | :) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | `Mace: driving on a bike while drunk here causes you to loose your drivers license too | 12:26 |
| AStorm | nah, that won't work | 12:26 |
| aquatix | `Mace: that southpark teacher, last i saw ;) | 12:26 |
| `Mace | Stskeeps - hahah seriously? | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Sts: Bike drivers license? | 12:27 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, same here | 12:27 |
| `Mace | hahaha | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no, car driver licenses | 12:27 |
| aquatix | `Mace: but i don't care if you use them | 12:27 |
| AStorm | no, driver's licence | 12:27 |
| AStorm | if you have one | 12:27 |
| `Mace | i don't aquatix | 12:27 |
| AStorm | so don't show it | 12:27 |
| RST38h | What if you dont have a drivers license for a car? Do they issue you one and take it away? | 12:27 |
| `Mace | but i don't see how a woman can have a "right to choose" .. and it is not the same thing as not being allowed to do whatever you want to YOUR body | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: think it's something along the lines if you were irresponsible enough to bike drunk, you'd be as well driving.. | 12:28 |
| `Mace | if a woman's body is her own.. and she has a right to an abortion on the basis of "it's my body and I can do what i want" | 12:28 |
| `Mace | then why can't people use drugs under the same principle? | 12:28 |
| AStorm | RST38h, no, you get fined | 12:28 |
| aquatix | RST38h: here that depends on the offense, but you can be denied a license for some years then | 12:28 |
| aquatix | and maybe even loose the car | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Horror | 12:28 |
| AStorm | nazi countries | 12:28 |
| aquatix | `Mace: well, you are allowed to use drugs, just not buy or possess them ;) | 12:28 |
| AStorm | it's like that almost everywhere :( | 12:28 |
| RST38h | in a nazi country you would be shot for biking drunk! | 12:29 |
| aquatix | RST38h: you aren't | 12:29 |
| aquatix | ? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | (at the spot) | 12:29 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I do not bike, so it is ok with me | 12:29 |
| AStorm | RST38h, nah, even Nazis didn't do that | 12:30 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:30 |
| aquatix | AStorm: they just confiscated the bike | 12:30 |
| RST38h | aquatix: What would they need a bike for? | 12:31 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: oh, just a Dutch WW2 reference | 12:33 |
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| aquatix | back then they actually had soldiers on bikes | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Good old times | 12:36 |
| * RST38h wonders if nazis had any cavalry in WW2 | 12:37 | |
| aquatix | heh | 12:38 |
| aquatix | maybe | 12:38 |
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| aquatix | quickly outdated by their tank battillions though | 12:38 |
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| `Mace | ok.. what the fuck... | 12:40 |
| `Mace | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc3_1231560680 | 12:40 |
| `Mace | japanese people are just strange sometimes | 12:40 |
| * aquatix is having some lunch | 12:41 | |
| `Mace | hm.. i can't find a good channel to ask about my abortion v drug use issue :) | 12:41 |
| `Mace | guess there aren't too many legal channels on irc out there huh? | 12:41 |
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| AStorm | irc is chaotic, not lawful ;) | 12:45 |
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| ccooke | AStorm: irc is True Neutral. | 12:47 |
| AStorm | oh really? | 12:47 |
| AStorm | ;) | 12:47 |
| AStorm | what is Freenode then? | 12:47 |
| ccooke | Sure. Chaotic, but lots of laws get applied. Think of Godwin's Law, Sturgeon's Law... | 12:48 |
| AStorm | reminder: it's not oftc | 12:48 |
| AStorm | these laws are wrong, haha | 12:48 |
| ccooke | AStorm: well, yes. According to Sturgeon's law, 80% of all of them *must* be. | 12:48 |
| AStorm | including Sturgeon's law too? :) | 12:49 |
| ccooke | Canonically, yes. | 12:49 |
| ccooke | It is recursive. | 12:49 |
| ccooke | This does mean you need calculus to work out what proportion of everything *isn't* rubbish, of course. | 12:50 |
| LinuxCode | what have you guys been smoking ? | 12:50 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 12:50 |
| LinuxCode | morning | 12:50 |
| AStorm | chaos theory, more likely | 12:51 |
| glass | that calculus would be mostly rubbish too? | 12:51 |
| AStorm | calculus is not enough | 12:51 |
| glass | LinuxCode: just cigs | 12:51 |
| LinuxCode | glass, thats what they always say rofl | 12:51 |
| LinuxCode | "No officer" "I only smoked cigarettes!" | 12:51 |
| lcuk | we havent been smoking enough of it if we can still read | 12:51 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, hehe | 12:51 |
| lcuk | smokey bacon mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 12:52 |
| glass | bakin bacon with macon | 12:52 |
| LinuxCode | man I did a WD advanced replacement | 12:52 |
| LinuxCode | they are such idiots | 12:52 |
| ccooke | lcuk: you know you're not *supposed* to smoke bacon in a pipe, right? | 12:52 |
| LinuxCode | they lost the drive | 12:52 |
| AStorm | woohoo | 12:52 |
| LinuxCode | now I have to go about sending proof they had it | 12:52 |
| glass | LinuxCode: huh, sucks bigtime | 12:52 |
| lcuk | damn, i did wonder why it oinked at me when i shoved a pig in my pipe | 12:53 |
| LinuxCode | then he says..they tried to charge my credit card.... but they already locked funds before! | 12:53 |
| glass | LinuxCode: are they going to lose that proof too | 12:53 |
| lcuk | but im not here was just passing by, hi n bye linuxcode | 12:53 |
| lcuk | and every1 else | 12:53 |
| LinuxCode | glass, they wont be able to...said to scan it | 12:53 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, later mate | 12:53 |
| * LinuxCode needs to go up to the post office now | 12:53 | |
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| * hanno wonders about the next version of the hardware | 13:33 | |
| hanno | any news on that one, yet? | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | only rumours | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ | 13:34 |
| hanno | Ok, thx. | 13:34 |
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| * hanno sold his N810 months ago in the hope getting the successor soon and suffers from serious withdrawal. | 13:35 | |
| mgedmin | ouch | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | "Anssi - Definitely not. We know the Touch technology inside out because we introduced the first product of this kind back in 2004 (Nokia 7710) and if you look at the Internet Tablet segment, it.s not dying at all, on the contrary . it.s our future. I remember saying at some launch even that it would take five generations of the Internet tablet devices to really make them mass consumer products . so far, we have launched only three generations | 13:38 |
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| wazd | noon all :) | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: including your logo in splash now :) | 13:40 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: whoa, cool :) | 13:40 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Can I post in my blog bout that?) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, in a bit :) | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for it to get through the builder | 13:44 |
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| wazd | omg, 262 posts in "where is Nokia" theme | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:51 |
| wazd | people will never get sick of flame)) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | qgil's statement that people should find their favourite app and help with it is true though :P | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | the community is very fragmented and not very focused | 13:52 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps, well, I'm trying to help everybody who needs help) | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | and you're doing a great job :) | 13:52 |
| wazd | Since I'm not the coder | 13:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hope so) | 13:53 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 13:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: Can I ask you to make a few icons? =) | 13:53 |
| wazd | but 5 pages of d-pad discussion, wtf seriously) | 13:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure! | 13:53 |
| RST38h | d-pad is a sore topic, has been like that for months | 13:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: I should definitely pay for my happy youth with Pocket PCs :D | 13:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: That is to Aaron Oneal, I think :) | 13:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: But if you have an S60 phone and/or Windows PC, you obviously get free copies =) | 13:55 |
| lcuk | wazd, im gonna take the brake pedel from your car. if you want to stop just wipe your hand on the windscreen | 13:55 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I didn't say I don't like d-pad, I always use it | 13:55 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: but the fact is that hardware is already done | 13:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: whts the point of flaming | 13:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Anyways, need SVG icons for MG, iNES, and VGBA (the rest are kinda ok for now) | 13:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: you should just wait and see it fr yourself | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Oh, ColEm too | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Primarily for Maemo packages but will use them for other ports if you allow | 13:57 |
| lcuk | wazd, im not waiting for anything :) | 13:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh! I'll gladly help with it | 13:57 |
| lcuk | didnt someone just say that svg doesnt work on device? | 13:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Does not matter as I can render 3 bitmaps from SVG on the desktop and package them | 13:59 |
| wazd | lcuk: that's SVG for rendering | 13:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: S60 prefers SVG starting with the 3rd edition though | 13:59 |
| lcuk | top banana | 13:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: should I juct draw consoles or maybe some uni-style will work?) | 14:00 |
| pupnik | yaay Phenom 2 in stores | 14:00 |
| lardman | morning | 14:03 |
| wazd | lo there) | 14:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Drawing appropriate consoles sounds like the most obvious idea | 14:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: If you have a better one, shoot (can't draw game characters as they are copyrighted, probably not worth drawing abstract stuff, I did it with Speccy and it was kinda suboptimal) | 14:05 |
| RST38h | For ColEm, you can probably draw the ColecoVision logo - I do not think anyone will complain, because it is very generic | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Another idea would be to draw joystick controlelrs rather than consoles (Coleco and original SMS had very specific joypad designs) | 14:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, sounds nice but then you still need to draw portable consoles :) | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Shadows/gradients better be avoided (Nokia's SVG renderer is very weak, so it dies on these) | 14:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, can't avoid this one | 14:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok, I'll try some stuff, sounds easy to do | 14:08 |
| RST38h | But there is only one (GBA). For SMS you have a choice, | 14:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: and simple GB | 14:09 |
| RST38h | For iNES you may *still* want to draw the console (US version) but also have a choice | 14:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have got GB already although if you feel that it needs improvement or facelift, go ahead (will send you current .svg tonight) | 14:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, ok, send it, I think it's ok, but still :) | 14:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: so I can draw al;l icons in one style | 14:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: My original VGB .ico has actually been "borrowed" by at least one game designer =) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: -now- you can ;) | 14:13 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yes, feel welcome to do it - I can 100% promise that at least Maemo packages will use all the icons | 14:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: nice :) | 14:14 |
| pupnik | how about drawing menus and controls with crayons | 14:14 |
| pupnik | and then scanning those | 14:14 |
| pupnik | sorry, i'm batty from crayon physics | 14:14 |
| wazd | pupnik: crayon physics looks more like chalk physics btw :) | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | crayons are actually chalks, a special kind | 14:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: Well, same special kind as coal is actually a diamond :) | 14:17 |
| RST38h | pupnik: you will need better transparency and shaped windows support though because your menus will have non-rectangular shapes | 14:17 |
| RST38h | yea, in a way :) | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, agreed, we must also make it so that you can only start an app if you solve its puzzle ;) | 14:19 |
| pupnik | hahahahaha | 14:19 |
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| * pupnik registers "Terrible UI Labs, LTD" | 14:19 | |
| lcuk | no worse than the apple click wheel | 14:20 |
| wazd | I think crayon physics will rock with some acceleometer support | 14:20 |
| lcuk | imagine the fun you would have in the morning trying to stop your alarm clock | 14:20 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I've thought of that kind of alarm clock before) | 14:20 |
| wazd | lcuk: with some puzzle to turn off :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | they dont work - if the complexity of the problem is > removing backplate and battery then you know what will happen | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Crayon Physics needs some updates fast - new levels etc ;) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | and failing that, it can get expensive needing to buy a new one every day | 14:21 |
| * RST38h is almost ready to buy a Wii controller | 14:21 | |
| lcuk | why almost? ive had onefor think its 2 years now? | 14:22 |
| RST38h | I know I do not need it, that is why :) | 14:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can try some mutitouch stuff ith it :) | 14:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: or positioning | 14:23 |
| lcuk | or surprisingly :: game playing :) | 14:24 |
| wazd | luck: thats lame :D | 14:24 |
| lcuk | yes, im such a traditionalist *rolleyes* | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Not playing any games lately. And I guess the positioning will not work without the Bar? | 14:25 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no it will | 14:26 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you have game console emulators - why have you wrote them if its not for use? | 14:26 |
| RST38h | What do you need the bar for then? | 14:26 |
| t_s_o | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/11/funny-pictures-wuzincup/ | 14:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Dunno, maybe I just like fiddling with obscure hardware and emulating it in a shoebox fullfills my megalomanian desires? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | the bar is for orientation and direction finding, wazd thinks hes cracked the problem nintendo engineers couldnt overcome ;) | 14:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw | 14:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: Bar is for lamers xD | 14:27 |
| RST38h | the guy does have the bar | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | rst, dont get me wrong i think its great you have emulators, the idea of keeping a system alive is a powerful one :) i thought you played lots of games though | 14:28 |
| lcuk | wazd, his head is the sensorbar | 14:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: Ah, wrong video | 14:29 |
| lcuk | its actually an emitter bar ;) | 14:29 |
| alterego | Anyone use rrdtool? | 14:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: Sensrbar is just a row of infrared leds | 14:29 |
| lcuk | 2 | 14:29 |
| alterego | Getting an error saying I need to "define at least one archive" >:( | 14:29 |
| lcuk | replace with candles or pinpricks in a curtain | 14:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, so it is simply a marker? | 14:29 |
| RST38h | cool | 14:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I did, once. | 14:30 |
| wazd | This guy has replaced bar with 2 leds on the sides of special goggles | 14:31 |
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| wazd | pretty handy :) | 14:31 |
| aquatix | t_s_o: lol @ lolcat | 14:31 |
| t_s_o | coffee, the lifeblood of the it industry... | 14:32 |
| t_s_o | coffee in, code out ;) | 14:32 |
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| * johnx returns | 14:33 | |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 14:33 |
| johnx | heh...that "sensorbar" can be replaced with any infrared source. a couple of candles work quite well :D | 14:33 |
| wazd | there's also a multitouch example there | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i got splash working :) | 14:34 |
| baaba | does maemo support someting else than fat16 for an external sd card? | 14:34 |
| baaba | (on a n810) | 14:34 |
| baaba | *something | 14:34 |
| AStorm | johnx, except it's a fire hazard | 14:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds great as long as I can disable it :> | 14:34 |
| AStorm | and has shorter range | 14:34 |
| aquatix | baaba: it can do ext2/3 too | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, rescue menu | 14:34 |
| johnx | AStorm, buzzkill :P | 14:34 |
| aquatix | but that doesn't work magically like fat | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | or editing zrescue-menu to select another default mode | 14:34 |
| baaba | ah okay, the magic is what i'm missing | 14:34 |
| johnx | it's funny, because it always mounts ext3 cards automagically just fine | 14:35 |
| johnx | only the first partition though | 14:35 |
| aquatix | oh | 14:35 |
| aquatix | in that case i might have been talking poo | 14:35 |
| baaba | trying to streamline a bunch of setup things for a freshly flashed device | 14:35 |
| * aquatix didn't try yet | 14:35 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: regarding X, Xomap seems to speed things up a tad for now, but it is entirely replacable | 14:35 |
| aquatix | johnx: you have an ext3 partition on it? | 14:35 |
| aquatix | or completely formatted it that way? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, you can always apt-get in the real X) | 14:36 |
| wazd | who knows and low-lever restore software for SD cards?) | 14:36 |
| wazd | level* | 14:36 |
| AStorm | none exists | 14:36 |
| johnx | aquatix, yup, for mer my external card is just one ext3 partition. mounts even though I don't really want it to in OS2008 :) | 14:36 |
| AStorm | excluding electron microscope | 14:36 |
| wazd | I've got one console and it has found bad sectors on my card | 14:36 |
| aquatix | johnx: ah | 14:37 |
| aquatix | johnx: that's neat | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so what should be default in images? | 14:37 |
| AStorm | wazd, your card will soon be dead | 14:37 |
| aquatix | johnx: so i can format my external card ext3 and have it work magically on my n810? | 14:37 |
| aquatix | with os2008? | 14:37 |
| wazd | Astorm it already is actually)) | 14:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, if someone installs xorg will it do the update-alternatives magic and become the default x server? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i honestly don't think there is update-alternatives magic for it | 14:38 |
| johnx | aquatix, yeah, I think it should be fine now that metalayer crawler doesn't die on symlinks :) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | i should probably add a Conflicts: xserver-xorg in xserver-xomap thoug | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | h | 14:38 |
| aquatix | johnx: neat | 14:38 |
| * aquatix hates fat | 14:38 | |
| aquatix | no offence :P | 14:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, guess debuntu's just setup for Xorg and nothing else *sigh* | 14:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, a conflicts should be fine though. I guess that makes the most sense | 14:40 |
| johnx | was it a pain getting xomap to build on builder? or did you end up just doing a binary package? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | binary | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | not pretty but its pretty faithful :P | 14:40 |
| johnx | yeah, seems fine for now. no point in getting bogged down fixing temporary stuff | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did you see what the bug was? a bloody sed line | 14:43 |
| lcuk | mmm | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 | 14:44 |
| johnx | yeah. that sucks. always the simple things...(except when sapwood is involved) | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | johnx i had something to say to you but i cant remember now | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we should put in a fb_update_mode thing inside xf86-video-omapfb | 14:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, about your app launcher? wiimotes? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | if i knew that i'd be able to say it lol, no it was last thing last night i think | 14:45 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, have it install an init script maybe? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well i was more thinking of inside the driver | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | it does ioctl OMAPFB_SET_UPDATE_MODE on the fbdev anyway | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | (fb_update_mode.c | 14:45 |
| johnx | ah, well that's because you think like a programer and I think like a sys admin :P | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | damn thats annoying | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: as xorg wouldn't work without the fb_update_mode being auto atm :) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, when splash is on) | 14:48 |
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| suihkulokki | certainly the best solution is to lift the manual update code from Xomap to xorg-omapfb :) | 14:49 |
| johnx | woo! a volunteer! :D | 14:49 |
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| baaba | can i somehow run a sh script from the file manager directly? | 14:55 |
| baaba | as opposed to opening xterm and running it from there | 14:56 |
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| johnx | baaba, hmm, maybe check out dbus-switchboard. it lets you play with what launches files of certain mime-types. You could set one for .sh files | 14:56 |
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| johnx | I really hope Nokia is paying attention to that thread Quim started even though they're not hearing what they want to hear... | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | johnx, that dbus-switchboard sounds interesting indeed | 15:05 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah, lots of nice "convenience" packages for working with dbus :) | 15:05 |
| johnx | dbus-switchboard, dbus-scripts, conler (sp?) | 15:06 |
| wazd | goddamn *notstraight* ISP! | 15:06 |
| johnx | wazd, your ISP likes other ISPs? | 15:06 |
| wazd | oh, or is it ITT forums then :) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | bloody isp ;) | 15:06 |
| wazd | bloody ITT hosting) | 15:07 |
| johnx | aah | 15:07 |
| wazd | but my ISP still not straight anyway) | 15:07 |
| wazd | They trying to replace XO switch for almost 3 months | 15:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, can you change the description in Mer wiki page?) | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: i plan to revamp the wiki pages when i'm done with my exams :P | 15:09 |
| wazd | "Mer means ocean in French" - wrong) | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | and write things up a little better ;) | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | It means a sea? | 15:10 |
| wazd | yep | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: my dictionary says ocean, but also sea :P | 15:11 |
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| wazd | -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we appear to have lost our Moscow based client server, and with it approximately 1600 users. We're looking into the issue now and should hopefully have both the server and the users back shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice day. | 15:11 |
| wazd | oh my :) | 15:11 |
| aquatix | oops, now where did that thing go? | 15:12 |
| RST38h | I just lost half the network it seems | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | So, my guess is that some large hub or uplink in Moscwo just died | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | or moscow got erradicated by a nuclear bomb! | 15:12 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, 1600 users isnt much | 15:12 |
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| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, no they had the gas turned off | 15:13 |
| LinuxCode | or pwer | 15:13 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 15:13 |
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| LinuxCode | by the Ukraine | 15:13 |
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| johnx | RST38h, would you mind going over and rebooting the hub? :D | 15:13 |
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| LinuxCode | haha | 15:13 |
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| LinuxCode | John, give him the keys... | 15:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: Given the traffic, NO. | 15:14 |
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| wazd | ITT is experiencing serious problems for me) | 15:14 |
| wazd | tracert shows some bad stuff in Chicago | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: works fine for me | 15:15 |
| wazd | cant trace further | 15:15 |
| johnx | internetpulse.com isn't screaming about anything major... | 15:15 |
| wazd | 496 ms * * p6-0-0.RAR2.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net [65.106.0.29] | 15:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Same here | 15:16 |
| wazd | well, it traces, but soooo slow | 15:17 |
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| * hanno asks for more speculation. | 15:18 | |
| hanno | Are there any guesses for a rough release date of the next hardware revision? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | hanno: hehe, fact is noone knows any facts | 15:19 |
| johnx | hanno, on anything in particular? | 15:19 |
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| * hanno just wants the next device. Now. | 15:19 | |
| johnx | ah, nm, let's say "after march, before 2010" | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | hanno: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Fremantle_timeline | 15:19 |
| hanno | thx. | 15:19 |
| johnx | if I had to rate probability, I'd say sometime before schools return from summer break in EU and US | 15:20 |
| hanno | oh well. | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: probably in expectation for new students | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | netbook sales surge there normally | 15:21 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that was my thought :) | 15:21 |
| * hanno got a Netbook but misses the "tablet" form factor. | 15:22 | |
| johnx | I mean August is like Christmas for Apple and Dell | 15:22 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not this year , most likely | 15:23 |
| baaba | i'm trying to follow the instructions at: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image (using the block device) and when i try to mount, i get "jffs2: Too few erase blocks (0)" | 15:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, huh? You think they'll get to a beta state in March/June and sit on it for 6 months? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nokia? No, Nokia will release stuff, no reason why they would not | 15:24 |
| RST38h | I am saying, few people will be buying it, given how things are going | 15:24 |
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| johnx | RST38h, aaah, about apple and dell. Dell will be glad they have a netbook out, apple probably won't have the best august ever, but anyone buying an apple had 1) a good reason or 2) money to burn anyways | 15:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: is it ok if i'll post a 800x480 wallpaper for free access?) | 15:26 |
| baaba | ah nevermind i guess i did something wrong at first | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: yep | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it is public anyway and you own the copyright :P | 15:27 |
| johnx | plus, you could call it "marketing" or "improving brand awareness" or something :D | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | i want a mer logo tshirt already | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:28 |
| hanno | are there any rumours on the screen resolution? | 15:28 |
| johnx | was just thinking we'll need those if we don't go crazy before the next summit | 15:28 |
| RST38h | 800x480 | 15:28 |
| hanno | bummer. | 15:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, I really hope so...otherwise things will get plenty "interesting" | 15:28 |
| RST38h | you wanted more? | 15:28 |
| hanno | But still better than most. | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | hanno: compared to all the other small-resolution tablet like things, it's good | 15:28 |
| hanno | RST38h: Well, my killer app is still native playback of DVD content. 800x480 is great for that, but more, well is even better for 16:9 content. | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Given that the community still has 6 months to back-feed itself rumors and salivate, things will get interesting anyway | 15:29 |
| hanno | http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/video-on-n800/ | 15:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: In 6 months, everybody will be so psyched up that no matter WHAT Nokia releases will not be enough =) | 15:30 |
| hanno | (that's two years ago) | 15:30 |
| hanno | http://www.hanno.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/n800-dvd.png | 15:30 |
| wazd | where the fukc s publush block, what the hell (( | 15:30 |
| hanno | I'm just hoping that the next hardware revision will be playing raw DVD rips at full resolution. | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hanno: with omap3, maybe | 15:32 |
| johnx | hanno, the next hardware will be playing 720p HDTV recordings at full resolution :) | 15:32 |
| aquatix | it'll have that new omap3 right? | 15:32 |
| wazd | hanno: It will play 720p without an issue | 15:32 |
| RST38h | johnx: See? Unfounded expectations already arise =) | 15:33 |
| hanno | wazd: "720p playback" is kinda weird as a quality parameter on a 480 height screen. | 15:33 |
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| johnx | RST38h, unfounded? *rolls eyes* | 15:33 |
| johnx | RST38h, unfounded would be if I said "I'm sure the d-pad won't be *worse*" | 15:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: Nokia still has 6 months to put another Blizzard chip into this thing ;) | 15:33 |
| RST38h | You can make n810 dpad worse? How? | 15:34 |
| wazd | hanno: it's more "horsepower" parameter than quality | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | hanno: similar hardware (processor+dsp wise), the beagleboard, does 720p playback, so that's where it comes from | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: not "unfounded" | 15:34 |
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| hanno | Yes, the N800 cpu was able to do raw DVD playback as well. Back tThen the graphics chip's bus | 15:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, Nokia has a big R&D budget. They'll figure something out. prolly patent it too. "Method for making a d-pad unusable by human hands." | 15:35 |
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| hanno | Yes, the N800/N810 cpu was able to do raw DVD playback as well. Back then the graphics chip's bus was the problem. | 15:35 |
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| wazd | johnx: that reminds me one of south park series :) | 15:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: If they can fuck up something as simple as dpad, I wouldn't worry about 720p video performance... | 15:36 |
| RST38h | johnx: Really easy to screw that one | 15:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, 720p on the omap3 isn't even touching the DSP right now :) | 15:36 |
| wazd | johnx: bout "It" :D | 15:36 |
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| hanno | btw., did you guys have a look at the Palm CES video? http://vowe.net/archives/010203.html | 15:37 |
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| Jaffa | hanno: aye, shiny | 15:37 |
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| Jaffa | Device itself looks fugly and too wide/thick/small kb. UI looks interesting from a technical PoV | 15:38 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer | 15:38 |
| hanno | Does anyone know which infrastructure is behind the UI? | 15:38 |
| wazd | Jaffa: it's not that thick in fact | 15:38 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: have you noticed that the touch area is not the screen but the black part underneath? | 15:38 |
| wazd | Jaffa: just "thick looking" | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: thanks! | 15:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's both... | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | johnx: must be, otherwise it would be ridiculous | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: It's been demoed as both; so it's correct to say the touch area extends beyond the screen to the "gesture area" | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Ah | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | wazd: how's it compare with thickness of, say, N810? My phone atm is pretty damn thin, tho | 15:41 |
| johnx | I wonder how much Sprint will want for it upfront :/ | 15:41 |
| RST38h | $199 | 15:42 |
| RST38h | + contract | 15:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope | 15:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, they already said "more than the iPhone since this is better." | 15:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: they said it will cost more | 15:42 |
| RST38h | That is the information released this morning | 15:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: UNSUBSIDIZED. | 15:42 |
| wazd | RST39h: OKAY!1 xD | 15:42 |
| johnx | reeeeally? this morning? | 15:42 |
| * johnx searches | 15:42 | |
| RST38h | wazd: Unsubsidized iPhone is also in $400-$500 range | 15:42 |
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| johnx | RST38h, more than $600USD IIRC | 15:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: we have iPhone for thousand greenbacks :) | 15:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: And Sprint said that if things get tough (i.e. people standing in lines to soup kitchens, checking negative Wall Street numbers on their blackberries) it will be $149 | 15:43 |
| hanno | But what's behind the UI, software-wise? Is it their own proprietary stack or did they use existing libraries? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, Moscow pricing schemes are different | 15:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: It has pretty same price Russia-spread | 15:44 |
| aquatix | 14:38:53 RST38h | Jaffa: have you noticed that the touch area is not the screen but the black part underneath? | 15:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not much different from speculative pricing for western goods in USSR :) | 15:44 |
| aquatix | that's a special nav widget | 15:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, just made my day :D BTW, that's what I'll be spending on the money that won't go to a Portege :D | 15:44 |
| aquatix | RST38h: the screen is multitouch too | 15:44 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I think it's same as n810 | 15:44 |
| wazd | Jaffa: said that it's "a bit thicker than the iphone" | 15:44 |
| johnx | s/on the money/the money on *dur* | 15:44 |
| RST38h | aquatix: They also said that only 200000 screens will be produced in the first batch | 15:45 |
| aquatix | hm | 15:45 |
| aquatix | well, i will get a newer batch anyway | 15:45 |
| aquatix | as i need gsm | 15:45 |
| * RST38h isn't planning on getting this thing | 15:45 | |
| aquatix | wazd: which isn't surprising, having a slide-out kb | 15:45 |
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| johnx | RST38h, didn't ask you to :) | 15:45 |
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| wazd | aquatix: yep | 15:46 |
| * aquatix might get a Pre | 15:46 | |
| wazd | I still think that having such a huge phone is a bad idea) | 15:46 |
| * johnx wishes they'd make a phone in the same style as a zaurus 5500 (same style, not same size) | 15:46 | |
| aquatix | it's bigger than my m600i i think | 15:46 |
| aquatix | johnx: ghehe | 15:46 |
| aquatix | johnx: erm, the Pre *is* such a phone | 15:47 |
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| johnx | it's *close* but no d-pad | 15:47 |
| aquatix | ah, good point | 15:47 |
| glass | it's also tied to sprint.. | 15:47 |
| aquatix | but the interface of course works differently too | 15:47 |
| johnx | and it's actually smaller in height and width than an iphone | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Am I the only one getting an N97 here? =) Khe khe khe? | 15:48 |
| glass | RST38h: i'll probably bitch for one when they come | 15:48 |
| sp3000 | ...rtan? | 15:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: Laaaame xD | 15:48 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i *was* planning on buying one | 15:48 |
| * RST38h runs away from the lynch mob | 15:48 | |
| johnx | RST38h, possibly, but why would I want to settle for less? | 15:48 |
| RST38h | aquatix: it will probably be insanely expensive anyway | 15:49 |
| glass | johnx: because waiting forever in a basement for the "perfect" is too nerdy | 15:49 |
| aquatix | RST38h: the n97? yeah :/ | 15:49 |
| RST38h | glass: it saves money though. | 15:49 |
| aquatix | wonder what it'll cost, and the Palm Pre too | 15:49 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah, but.. then you'll have nothing to use the money on | 15:49 |
| johnx | glass, fair enough, but it seems the n97 and pre should be out around the same time | 15:49 |
| glass | aquatix: palm pre is subbed so crazy that it's going to be hard to determine real price | 15:49 |
| aquatix | true | 15:50 |
| glass | johnx: yeah but can't buy pre for use here, see, i don't live in sprint land | 15:50 |
| RST38h | glass: Food. Guns. Extra underground floors. A tactical nuclear weapon or two maybe? | 15:50 |
| aquatix | i hope there will be a gsm version soon | 15:50 |
| johnx | glass, yup. I'm sure they had to go with sprint because they were the only ones desperate enough to subsidize the phone down to iphone levels | 15:50 |
| aquatix | RST38h: thermic lances | 15:50 |
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| glass | johnx: or maybe bono knows someone from sprint | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | johnx: You would sign a 2-year contract with Sprint? | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Just to get $200 off a phone? | 15:52 |
| aquatix | maybe to get the phone at all? | 15:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, well, looks like they have the best 3G network anyways. BTW, where did you see $199. I'm still seeing $399 | 15:52 |
| glass | to get the phone at all | 15:53 |
| glass | RST38h: pre is tied to sprint, from launch.. "heavily tied" "always on networking" | 15:53 |
| aquatix | glass: you want a gsm version too? :) | 15:53 |
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| glass | aquatix: of pre? not really. it would be nice if they managed to sell it that much that there would be point but really no.. i'm not a big fan of calling webpages as applications | 15:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: I can't google right now, uplink is down | 15:53 |
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| RST38h | glass: This sounds like letting oneself to be raped with a plunger for shiny things | 15:54 |
| glass | RST38h: pretty much | 15:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, no worries. just found it...still looks pretty uncertain, but it would be suicide to not be within $50 +/- of the jesus-phone | 15:54 |
| RST38h | glass: So, my answer is "no" =) | 15:54 |
| glass | RST38h: it's an iphone clone so... | 15:54 |
| aquatix | glass: well, the html5/javascript stuff is only the gui | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: should zenity be built btw? | 15:54 |
| wazd | glass: what is an iPhone clone? | 15:55 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, let me import it and give it a build | 15:55 |
| glass | wazd: pre | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 15:55 |
| wazd | glass: why? | 15:55 |
| aquatix | glass: no, i think it's not | 15:55 |
| aquatix | i actually like the gui concepts better than the iphone's | 15:55 |
| glass | wazd: because they played it like that as pr | 15:55 |
| wazd | glass: it has touchscreen?) | 15:55 |
| glass | it doesn't matter that it's possibly slightly better | 15:55 |
| aquatix | glass: iphone is a known entity | 15:56 |
| aquatix | super hyped | 15:56 |
| glass | wazd: afaik album browsing is a coverflow ripoff too | 15:56 |
| aquatix | everyone knows it and what it does | 15:56 |
| wazd | glass: it shows cover art. that's the only similaruty | 15:56 |
| glass | aquatix: yeah but they took the concept, took 1.5 years to do it. touchscreen phone with web apps, same as iphone at launch, of course theres differences | 15:56 |
| aquatix | i like the cards concept | 15:57 |
| * johnx thinkgs "rip off" is kind of a silly term. Should companies totally ignore good ideas just because of NIH? | 15:57 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Pre is too close to iPhone | 15:57 |
| glass | johnx: well company like palm who says it'll bring something ground breaking.. yeah they should bring something fresh | 15:57 |
| RST38h | it does look like an attempt to copy | 15:57 |
| johnx | glass, they did, IMHO | 15:57 |
| glass | besides, iphone has native apps by now | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | glass: Severely limited | 15:57 |
| glass | johnx: well ok then, but you should know that your views are not shared by many :) | 15:57 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah i know the deal with the official sdk and marketplace.. | 15:58 |
| johnx | glass, the WebOS SDK thing looks pretty different than the first-run iPhone web apps | 15:58 |
| johnx | glass, fair enough :) have you watched the Palm press conference, BTW? | 15:58 |
| wazd | well, cordless charger is really nice thing : | 15:58 |
| glass | johnx: yeah it's an upgrade, but copy still as a concept | 15:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: WebOS SDK has not been released yet. How do you know? | 15:58 |
| glass | johnx: yeah | 15:58 |
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| glass | johnx: that too goes to the cloning iphone category | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Press conferences can be very misleading so I would only trust the actual SDK | 15:59 |
| glass | johnx: and the bullshit reasoning why to tie it with sprint. it's not the network, it's the subbing | 15:59 |
| johnx | RST38h, well the fact that it can actually tie into lower level stuff than the iphone's "native" sdk is a big departure | 15:59 |
| glass | RST38h: that too, androids day 1 pr was pure bullshit | 15:59 |
| wazd | glass: there's difference between cloning and similarity | 15:59 |
| wazd | Meizu M8 is an iPhone clone | 15:59 |
| wazd | Pre isn't | 15:59 |
| glass | m8 is just a chinaphone | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh, any news about that funny chinatablet? | 16:00 |
| wazd | it's similar, it copies some stuff, but it's not a clone | 16:00 |
| glass | wazd: it clones the essential elements. meizu clones the non essential elements.. | 16:00 |
| RST38h | johnx: you do not know how it is done | 16:00 |
| johnx | glass, well, duh it's the subbing. That's why apple went with att and htc/google with t-mobile: at the time they both needed a miracle | 16:00 |
| wazd | there's nothing bad in coping good things | 16:00 |
| glass | chinaphones have analog tv-tuners now too | 16:00 |
| RST38h | johnx: just remember how native ARM access was done in the original PalmOS and weep | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | Security operatives backed by snarling dogs have sealed off the Conisholme wind farm in Lincolnshire, to prevent alien hunters making off with the remains of the UFO which earlier this month seriously damaged one of the turbines, the Sun reports! | 16:01 |
| glass | wazd: yeah but it's not going to save palm.. it's not a groundbreaking product | 16:01 |
| glass | wazd: but then again, some thought that foleo would be cool | 16:01 |
| glass | haha | 16:01 |
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| johnx | RST38h, to be honest: I'll be using this as a glorified dumb-phone most likely. If palm brings a better version of their old PIMs to a stable OS I'll be more than happy | 16:01 |
| wazd | glass: nice multitasking, nice gesturing, nice web integration, cordless charge | 16:01 |
| wazd | pretty enough I think | 16:01 |
| RST38h | johnx: Would you stand a dumb phone though? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | cordless charge.. and cancer the next year? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:02 |
| johnx | RST38h, already on one | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | Sts: naah | 16:02 |
| glass | wazd: essential q's are: does it do DUN or did they copy lack of it too | 16:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, fairly proven tech. and they've switched away from doing it with beta particles :D | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Sts: it is still 50-60Hz | 16:02 |
| wazd | glass: what's DUN?) | 16:02 |
| glass | cordless charger is no fun if you have to haul the charger around anyways | 16:02 |
| * johnx introduces his new radio-isotope phone charger :) | 16:02 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Basically a transformer with one coil in the charger and another one in the gadget | 16:02 |
| glass | wazd: dial up networking, using the phone as a modem | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: some things i just really wonder if they picked up off ufos.. | 16:02 |
| wazd | glass: ah, tethering, I don't know actually | 16:03 |
| johnx | glass, actually charges from micro-usb as well | 16:03 |
| glass | johnx: yay micro usb. you know how happy those nokia users are with the nokia phones that have micro usb only charging? | 16:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: like eggnog or vegemite | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: vegemite is just scary | 16:04 |
| glass | ugh vegemite | 16:04 |
| * glass dreams of blood sausage | 16:04 | |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand my fiancée eats polish stuff i wouldn't touch | 16:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: or that nordic stuff made of slightly rotten fish | 16:04 |
| johnx | glass, happier than me with my b0rken old-style nokia charger with one tiny easily bendable pin? | 16:05 |
| * RST38h wonders what that polish stuff may be, beside salo | 16:05 | |
| glass | johnx: microusb cables are still hard to come by at your friends places | 16:05 |
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| glass | johnx: the small connector sucks though too, point | 16:06 |
| johnx | glass, anything besides NTT/softbank and AU charger cable are hard to come by at my friend's place :) | 16:06 |
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| johnx | but I get the point. :) however I have a rather clever thing now: a tiny little 10cm cable that accepts the end of an NTT charger on one end and has a small-style Nokia pin on the other. No reason not to grab one for mini-micro usb and slip it in your bag/pocket | 16:07 |
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| pupnik_ | i just bought some vegemite, because you have to try it once | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | like smoking banana peels | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm, or cuban cigars | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | etc | 16:12 |
| johnx | pupnik_, or trying natto or drinking compari O_o | 16:12 |
| disco_stu | Hi everybody | 16:13 |
| glass | campari isn't that bad | 16:13 |
| glass | once a year | 16:13 |
| pupnik_ | yes, campari. just once for me, thanks. | 16:13 |
| glass | natto i wouldn't dare | 16:13 |
| robtaylor | vegemite++ ;) | 16:13 |
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| disco_stu | someone knows how to fix metalayer crawler segfaulting | 16:13 |
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| glass | campari is good only when with oj and after a day of skiing | 16:13 |
| johnx | glass, never tried it? pssh. gotta try it once | 16:13 |
| RST38h | disco: disable it. | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so, for 0.6: first-boot-wizard, a package to enable kernel-boot-directly-to-rootfs (so we can make kernel + jffs2 image), and figuring out why the heck NetworkManager keels over and dies? | 16:13 |
| glass | johnx: i got some other stuff i'd rather not try. well a lot. one sees a lot of things if one opens every irc link | 16:14 |
| disco_stu | RST38h: i want my files in media player :P | 16:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ok, just packaging up changes to auto-startx | 16:14 |
| RST38h | disco: find a file whose metasdata causes it to crash and update metadadta | 16:14 |
| johnx | glass, yeah. I don't think it's possible to like natto unless you are forced to eat it from an early age :/ | 16:16 |
| RST38h | what is natto? cat entrails? | 16:16 |
| johnx | RST38h, fermented soybeans | 16:18 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:18 |
| johnx | RST38h, the core idea is "slimy" | 16:18 |
| AStorm | ;P | 16:20 |
| AStorm | it indeed is... weird | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: current stats atm btw 322mb uncompressed, 111mb raw jffs2, 146mb sumtooled | 16:21 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: jffs2 zlib or lzma? | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | AStorm: zlib i think | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | hm, mkfs.jffs2 has incremental stuff | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 16:26 |
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| alterego | My beagle board arrived today :) | 16:31 |
| alterego | I only ordered in on Friday | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 16:32 |
| aquatix | \o/ | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | now to make Mer install on it, alterego ;) | 16:32 |
| Vulcanis | beagle board? | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | (should be fairly easy.) | 16:35 |
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| lardman | vegemite++ | 16:39 |
| lardman | on wheatabix with butter too :) | 16:40 |
| * lcuk throws up a little | 16:40 | |
| * johnx misses cold breakfast cereal q-q | 16:40 | |
| * lcuk sticks a twiglet up lardmans nose | 16:40 | |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, That size sounds great still. I imagine xomap makes a big difference vs xorg | 16:41 |
| disco_stu | well.. my metalayer-crawler is crashing when reads my contacts in .vcf format | 16:42 |
| johnx | disco_stu, you're on the latest version of diablo, right? | 16:42 |
| johnx | if so, that's a bug that definitely should be filed | 16:42 |
| disco_stu | johnx: yes | 16:43 |
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| lardman | mmm, twiglets | 16:43 |
| disco_stu | johnx: i'll file it | 16:43 |
| johnx | disco_stu, does it happen with any file in vcf format? | 16:44 |
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| disco_stu | no, just with some of them | 16:44 |
| disco_stu | i'll inspect them.. | 16:44 |
| johnx | do you have one you can submit with the bug? | 16:45 |
| johnx | maybe by changing names/phone numbers? | 16:45 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: i will submit one | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | no problem.. | 16:46 |
| disco_stu | ~file-bug | 16:47 |
| disco_stu | ~bug-file | 16:47 |
| johnx | http://bugs.maemo.org | 16:47 |
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| disco_stu | i'll do it in a while | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | ooooooooooooooh cow-orker is a tosser | 16:54 |
| johnx | first orking cows? now tossing things? unfortunate... | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | thinks its a good thing to allow central dlls to change without ensuring those changes dont break client applications and deal with any issues however many months down the line | 16:56 |
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| johnx | lcuk, yeah, that does sound pretty dense...and also like he fails to empathize with his customers/users...a very bad sign | 17:07 |
| pupnik_ | Windows 7 destroys mp3s. el oh el | 17:07 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:08 |
| aquatix | pupnik_: old news though ;) | 17:08 |
| * johnx wonders why cx3110x is constantly scanning while booted to mer... | 17:09 | |
| * johnx and also wonders WTF his wife's vista laptop is doing receiving 1Mb/s and sending 500Kb/s while sitting "idle" | 17:10 | |
| aquatix | microsoft is `backing up' her data | 17:11 |
| johnx | I have a feeling iTunes may be trying to do something about missing album art... | 17:12 |
| aquatix | ah | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ifconfig wlan0 up maybe | 17:13 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, and that will stop the scanning or that's what started it? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't scan on its own, kinda weird :P | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think | 17:14 |
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| johnx | well, I certainly see weird behavior with ifup/ifdown | 17:16 |
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| johnx | I just can't tell how consistent it is... | 17:17 |
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| lardman | anyone have the wiki url of the rss reader improvements handy? | 17:24 |
| wazd | Damn, i've identified myself on the tablet, now desktop identifier is gone I supose?) | 17:26 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:RSS_Feed_reader | 17:27 |
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| lardman | as answer to my question | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | wazd: My attempt at adding bubbles to your cool mer wallpaper: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/mer_9b.jpg | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | Inverted felicia from hildon-theme-alpha overlaid on your original at ~60% transparency. Gimp original at http://bleb.org/software/maemo/mer_9b.xcf | 17:28 |
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| johnx | Jaffa, I kind of like the effect that "Divide" provides in this case, a little bit lighter :) | 17:30 |
| wazd | Nice) | 17:31 |
| johnx | now: what we need is a nice little animation of bubbles rising smoothly as the machine boots ending with a bubble-free wallpaper just the GUI fades in. | 17:31 |
| johnx | ya'know, fades in or slides in, I'm flexible on that :) | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | johnx: nah, I think the boot screen should be the plain one with the mer logo, *then* they bubble up as it finishes booting to be the desktop background :-) | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Not sure what the licence is on hildon-theme-alpha - it may need to be recreated (which, as a fiddler rather than a creator, I'm not sure I'm capable of). Hmm, maybe I could with Inkscape. | 17:33 |
| johnx | Jaffa, hmm...and on the rx-51 we could use the accelerometers to have the bubbles float around as your rotate the device | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | johnx: nice :) | 17:33 |
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| lardman | johnx: and assign the background and bubbles a density so we can see them moving in the direction of travel as it starts accelerating | 17:34 |
| RST38h | johnx: Just do it the way Samsung does it | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | First Fremantle home applet: Bubbles :-) | 17:34 |
| RST38h | johnx: Show a bubbling liquid that fills up when your battery charges | 17:34 |
| TheFatal | a question... xulrunner can be deleted ? | 17:34 |
| johnx | TheFatal, no | 17:34 |
| RST38h | johnx: And make level change as you tilt the tablet | 17:35 |
| TheFatal | thnks | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, reminds me of that screensaver for S60 ;) | 17:35 |
| lcuk | we should at the very least be able to pop the bubbles with stylus ;) | 17:35 |
| * RST38h hasn't seen the S60 screensaver | 17:35 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Oh yesssss | 17:36 |
| lardman | perhaps model bubble surface tension and use it to avoid the desktop applets moving round too much | 17:36 |
| * RST38h remembers modifying xroach so that each cockroach has a username on the back and when you squish them, user accounts get disabled | 17:36 | |
| lcuk | or make one REALLY good looking proper overlay that looks like a bubble in the protector and which actually moves around realistically when pushed around from the sides | 17:36 |
| lcuk | lardman :) i think you already know how i want to manipulate desktop applets (controllable though) | 17:37 |
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| johnx | RST38h, sounds like the doom frontend to procps | 17:38 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 17:42 | |
| RST38h | johnx: more or less | 17:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: but *way* more fun | 17:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: you know, those roaches will actually hide under your windows | 17:43 |
| johnx | dunno. would have loved to shoot metalayer-crawler a couple times | 17:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: isn't it easy to do? just disable it dead. | 17:43 |
| johnx | some people use the default media player... | 17:44 |
| johnx | anyways, works now so I'm happy | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Is it possible to run it manually for a single pass? | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, just run "metalayer-crawler" and it refreshes the library without going into the background | 17:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, and then it will still potentially hang before it does what you need it to do | 17:44 |
| RST38h | but at least it will not sneak on you | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: got deblet splash working btw | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked. fb-progress? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, I suppose. I'm just looking forward to tracker :) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: now with pretty mer logo | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | whee :) | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Have you switched to Xomap? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | Even better :> | 17:46 |
| RST38h | johnx: which will probably suck more | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you need to do a new round of mer screenshots :-) | 17:46 |
| RST38h | johnx: I just had to delete 200MB of index data tracker silently created in my ubuntu account | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | To insprire those of us too lazy to have tried it | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i have another task for you though, /sbin/tablet-init or what we called it, packaged and modelled on top of solca's nitboot (http://guug.org/nit/nitboot/nitboot.sh) and /linuxrc. in the end it calls /sbin/init | 17:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, at least it has a bigger userbase and more people to fix it. plus it does provide neat opportunities for search (such as deskbar) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/ <- last night | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, meh, I'm not a good scripter | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: no need for good scripting :P | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: last scrshot is the one where xcomposite works | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm kinda busy getting tile world to run in Maemo properly :) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: If it sacrifices performance/disk space/battery life the same way as the metalayer-crawler, I will not care | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hehe, okay | 17:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: Never really use the search feature: I *know* where my stuff is | 17:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, same here. If it does I'll have a package out post-haste to only run it on AC | 17:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, don't think of it as "search" so much as a "predictive command line for your stuff" | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: 141mb sumtool image btw | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta, looking | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't see the point of tracker, metalayer crawler etc. All I need is updatedb & locate. | 17:48 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked, think I got similar :P | 17:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is a tablet, what command line? | 17:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, seen deskbar? | 17:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: No, what is it? | 17:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, similar to the mac os spotlight or the palm pre search | 17:49 |
| RST38h | I have never used any of these | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Loving the windows 3.1-esque theme in the first lot of photos *cough* | 17:50 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: what photo's? | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | s/photos/screenshots/ | 17:50 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Stskeeps: Loving the windows 3.1-esque theme in the first lot of screenshots *cough* | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | aquatix: <Stskeeps> Jaffa: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/ <- last night | 17:51 |
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| aquatix | ah, thanks | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | we so need to figure out why the localizations mess up | 17:51 |
| johnx | RST38h, ok, imagine the little maemo desktop search applet, except that as you type it finds partial matches for things listed in your bookmarks, files, (potentially browser history), and the partial matches show up as a dropdown list | 17:52 |
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| johnx | RST38h, similar in style to the way firefox 3's address bar works...kinda | 17:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, but I never use that desktop search applet | 17:53 |
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| aquatix | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot06.png looks interesting | 17:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: The only file search I ever use is in FAR file manager, but it does not index anything at all | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: what people meet when booting (+ load applet) | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, are you including the immensely better /etc/network/interfaces from deblet in your next image? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: possible | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lemme add it to imager | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Hope so, I had to use echo & printf last time :) | 17:55 |
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| johnx | RST38h, eh. just saying I'm looking forward to it. Not everyone works the same way of course, but I find that typing "die har" [down arrow] [enter] is often faster than digging through my movies folder | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw powered definately messes up without /etc/mce.ini | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes :/ | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | It also has it's fair share of ashisms and depends on quite a few maemo config files :/ | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: added interfaces | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | yay :) | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | will be in 0.6 when we release | 18:01 |
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| infobot | Sargun: Have you had your vi today? | 18:02 |
| * Stskeeps glances suspiciously at infobot | 18:03 | |
| qwerty12 | I always knew infobot was a stalker... | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: does your wizard set up /etc/hosts too correctly? | 18:06 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it does :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 18:06 |
| johnx | eep, just reminded me: it needs to run hostname after it updates /etc/hostname | 18:06 |
| Sargun | Hey, I understand that this isn't a Nokia support channel, but I just have started having the oddest problem with my N810, all of the clicks are getting mapped about 1 inch to the right | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | Tried recalibrating your screen? (no idea why it'd've suddenly started) | 18:07 |
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| johnx | Sargun, as odd as this sounds, have you tried turning the tablet off and on again? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sargun: you probably want to try and recalibrate. Home screen, menu, calibration | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Sargun: Go to settings and recalibrate your screen | 18:07 |
| Sargun | johnx, I rebooted it a few times... | 18:07 |
| Sargun | johnx, took out battery, etc. | 18:07 |
| Sargun | Stskeeps, RST38h I tried that, but the issue is it kept saying "Press closer to point on screen (or the little place you're supposed to click" | 18:07 |
| Sargun | My guess is that the calibration got thrown offf too far | 18:08 |
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| X-Fade | Sargun: Try doing it in a few steps then? | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | Worst case: backup & reflash? | 18:08 |
| RST38h | sounds like a hardware problem | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | Or that's a good idea | 18:08 |
| johnx | RST38h++ | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | Sargun: Each time a bit closer to the points? :) | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | But my guess is that you have a hardware problem.. | 18:09 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, right now I have it wiping out /etc/hosts though. is that acceptable or not? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it's first boot wizard.. | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/HUBNqs45.html | 18:10 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, there is that. Doesn't feel very "debian-like" to me, but I'll get over it or fix it better later | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | should look similar to this | 18:10 |
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| wazd | Damn, rush-hour subway is total hell) | 18:11 |
| johnx | guess I can do the 127.0.1.1 trick for the the user supplied hostname | 18:11 |
| johnx | wazd, I know what you mean O_o | 18:11 |
| johnx | wazd, are your train conductors as polite as these fellows? http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tokyo-subway.jpg | 18:12 |
| wazd | We have no train conductors) | 18:13 |
| wazd | For now) | 18:13 |
| johnx | wazd, who's there to politely shove you on the train then? | 18:13 |
| wazd | Last man in a row)) | 18:13 |
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| wazd | Or driver cut out the stream of people) | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wonder if it is possible to select an alternate kernel rootfs based on a key held down | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | (it probably is, but how easily) | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | oh, nice | 18:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps, well, that enables flashing mode | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat just confirmed it's called RX-51 | 18:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hope it's «work-in-progress» name?) | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, :P | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we've been pretty sure of that for a while. | 18:17 |
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| Sargun | alright, even stupider question, where is the serial number on my tablet | 18:17 |
| aquatix | Sargun: under the battery | 18:17 |
| wazd | Mac address is the serial | 18:17 |
| wazd | I guess | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it could have been a devel board too | 18:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, unlikely at this point | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | true | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, there've never been dev-board model numbers previously. | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | They wouldn't start now. | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | to fuck with our minds, maybe ;) | 18:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, did we ever have this much info this far in advance before? | 18:19 |
| Sargun | when is the Nokia n810's successor coming out | 18:19 |
| johnx | Sargun, "When it's ready." | 18:20 |
| wazd | In 2020 | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm still amazed engadget haven't picked up on your post yet :P | 18:20 |
| johnx | Sargun, sometime after march 2009, and probably before 2010. | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, nah, but plenty of info comes out after-the-fact | 18:20 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, link? | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, submit it. :P | 18:20 |
| Sargun | Dude, I think I'm 5 days out of my warranty | 18:20 |
| wazd | Webkit «show images» option doesn't work( | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, to? | 18:20 |
| johnx | Sargun, ouch | 18:21 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, your post? | 18:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ | 18:21 |
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| wazd | Engadget reposts only stupid concepts and apple rumors | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | well, or gizmodo :P | 18:24 |
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| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, you says it'll have HDPA connectivity, it'll be a phone? | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, missed the Maemo Summit announcement, then? :) | 18:27 |
| wazd | It will have hsdpa connectivity | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sargun, HDPA is a data connection, not a phone connection. :) | 18:27 |
| johnx | Sargun, it'll have a HSPA module for data, not voice. just like a lot of smaller laptops these days. | 18:27 |
| Sargun | GeneralAntilles, yes, but why not throw in voice if you get data? | 18:28 |
| wazd | Cause it's not a phone | 18:28 |
| AStorm | meh | 18:28 |
| GAN800 | Sargun, because 'throwing in voice' is a multi-million dollar issue. | 18:28 |
| johnx | Sargun, probably regulatory reasons | 18:28 |
| AStorm | meh again | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | Although, "data is what we're talking about today" | 18:28 |
| AStorm | regulatory? it's the same data | 18:29 |
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| Sargun | johnx, Hm, in the US, all regulatory stuff is self-contained within the modem. | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | Wouldn't be totally surprised if they threw in voice over BT | 18:29 |
| wazd | Not the same | 18:29 |
| AStorm | maybe they'd have to register the codecs as compliant or sth | 18:29 |
| Sargun | How many N8XX units sell, anyways>? | 18:29 |
| johnx | Sargun, then why are the laptops with HSPA modems (and the standalone HSPA modems) not supporting voice? | 18:29 |
| AStorm | Sargun: not enough, more coudl always sell | 18:29 |
| AStorm | ;P | 18:29 |
| AStorm | johnx: because they lack software | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, not if you talk to government regulatory agencies and carriers. :) | 18:30 |
| johnx | AStorm, they'd be providing a phone service so it would have to be able to dial 911 and other stuff even without a carrier | 18:30 |
| wazd | If it will have unlimited data plans - use SIP for calls) | 18:30 |
| AStorm | you need a gprs connection agent | 18:30 |
| AStorm | wazd: NAT - foiled | 18:30 |
| AStorm | otherwise everyone would do that | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i think it's curious it seems like RX-51 will support tethering :) | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | as in, being the target of tethering | 18:30 |
| AStorm | good :) | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | n800 and rx-51 living together in perfect harmony.. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:31 |
| johnx | Don't see how they keep it from supporting tethering, and if they're selling unsubsidized (likely) they have no reason not to | 18:31 |
| AStorm | johnx: whatever? we can write required software | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: with the open nature of the tablets, it's impossible to -avoid- tethering :P | 18:31 |
| wazd | Aw, newbie question, HSDPA means no EDGE or GPRS then? | 18:31 |
| AStorm | wazd: no, it's a quad-band modem | 18:31 |
| AStorm | any protocol you want | 18:31 |
| wazd | Nice! | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, HSDPA is faster than them both anyway | 18:32 |
| AStorm | not normal GSM though I think | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 18:32 |
| lardman|home | I thought HSDPA meant 3G | 18:32 |
| johnx | wazd, probably quad-band GSM, and a couple bands of HSPA. dunno which ones yet :/ | 18:32 |
| AStorm | GPRS voice should work if we use proper codecs | 18:32 |
| wazd | I know, but we have bad HSDPA plans in here | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: it looks like the hildon desktop has stuff like SMS and such.. which is curious | 18:32 |
| AStorm | so we can actually write it ourselves | 18:33 |
| wazd | And poor coverage | 18:33 |
| AStorm | not sure about GSM, as that needs support from the modem | 18:33 |
| johnx | lardman|home, 3G is any "third generation" wireless standard. | 18:33 |
| AStorm | 3G is precisely UMTS or HSPA | 18:33 |
| AStorm | ;> | 18:33 |
| AStorm | GPRS is 2G | 18:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: What HSDPA? We do not have HSDPA yet | 18:33 |
| Sargun | God, the lady on the other end of the phone is a complete idiot. | 18:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, SMS can be done over many paths :) A Nokia IM to SMS gateway is pretty easy | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: true | 18:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: Still no 3G support | 18:34 |
| johnx | and with their interest in telepathy-haze... | 18:34 |
| AStorm | RST38h: is GPRS supported at least? | 18:34 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Yes, pretty much everywhere now | 18:34 |
| AStorm | good, then it should work | 18:34 |
| johnx | AStorm, or EVDO rev. A. or wimax depending on who you talk to | 18:34 |
| wazd | Ah damn | 18:34 |
| AStorm | johnx: hmm? in n9xx? | 18:35 |
| wazd | I was talking bout ev-do | 18:35 |
| AStorm | I'd drop those | 18:35 |
| RST38h | EVDO is probably available from SkyLink | 18:35 |
| AStorm | not enough coverage in most parts of the world | 18:35 |
| AStorm | esp. for EVDO | 18:35 |
| johnx | ah, I thought you meant "3G == UMTS && HSPA" | 18:35 |
| RST38h | But it is a tiny provider with shitty phone lineup and patchy coverage | 18:35 |
| wazd | We have even EDGE pretty much everywhere now) | 18:35 |
| AStorm | johnx: mhm, right right | 18:35 |
| AStorm | 3G is actually bandwidth requirement | 18:36 |
| AStorm | wazd: same here | 18:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, my data connection broke only after crossing a border with belorussia | 18:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: And that was *not* because of the break in coverage but simply because the roaming was off | 18:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: skylink has crazyaprices for hardware. x-card modem costs like a whole phone | 18:37 |
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| Sargun | God, she left her GSM phone next to the phone, and it's making a horrible screeching noise | 18:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, given the scarcity of cdma hw and the fact that nobody needs it or cares about it... | 18:38 |
| RST38h | can't blame skylink much | 18:38 |
| RST38h | all right, going home | 18:38 |
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| aquatix | Sargun: want to borrow this hammer? | 18:38 |
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| Sargun | aquatix, If you tell me where she lives, that'll do | 18:39 |
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| aquatix | oh, just read she's on the other side of your line ;) | 18:40 |
| aquatix | thought it was in the same room as you | 18:40 |
| pupnik_ | Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole? A panel of experts weighs-in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnX-D4kkPOQ | 18:40 |
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| wazd | RST38h: don't forget to send me svg) | 18:42 |
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| AStorm | pupnik_: ;P | 18:43 |
| pupnik_ | i thought it was funny :) | 18:44 |
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| Sargun | WTF, I tried it again, and it started working | 18:47 |
| johnx | Sargun, does temperature seem to affect it? | 18:48 |
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| Sargun | johnx, yeah, possibly. | 18:48 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: it's too true to be funny | 18:48 |
| Sargun | It got warmer over the past 30 minutes, I went from outside -> inside | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | condense maybe? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | you have a screen protector? | 18:49 |
| Sargun | Stskeeps, no... | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | always good to have :P | 18:49 |
| Sargun | Anyways, I'll still send it in for warranty repair | 18:49 |
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| Sargun | I cannot live without this thing working | 18:50 |
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| StOrM_NW | whats the default password that n810 comes for sudo access? | 18:57 |
| johnx | not password by default, install rootsh | 18:58 |
| johnx | it's in extras | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | ~root-access | 18:58 |
| infobot | well, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 18:58 |
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| StOrM_NW | appreciate the help, thanks | 18:58 |
| johnx | sure :) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | np | 18:59 |
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| ciroip | buongiorno qwerty12 | 19:00 |
| ciroip | how is going? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | hey ciroip, I'm good thanks, how about you? | 19:00 |
| ciroip | preparing to return to work :( | 19:01 |
| ciroip | 7 days and ill return to the jungle | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Already returned back to school last week :P | 19:01 |
| ciroip | school is not working!! | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Aye, but it takes up time all the same :P | 19:02 |
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| ciroip | all that fun and all that interact all the time with people you hate, lovely memories | 19:03 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I had tried the gdm install... when I just killed X I get the gdm greeter screen, that's just fun to see | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hehe, yeah, autologin is a bit special :P | 19:06 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah will have to add that now just for the fun of it | 19:06 |
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| johnx | r2d2rogers, so you installed gdm while in X, killed X, and gdm worked as it was supposed to? or did something go wrong? | 19:07 |
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| TheFatal | Ngames are suported by N810 ? | 19:18 |
| bef0rd | no | 19:18 |
| TheFatal | :( | 19:18 |
| bef0rd | :< | 19:18 |
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| LopLiii | hi is processing speed between 770 and 8x0 is far? | 19:27 |
| johnx | yes, the n8x0 is much faster and has twice the RAM | 19:28 |
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| StOrM_NW | what will change when ya enabe the red pill mode in application manager? | 19:29 |
| StOrM_NW | *enable | 19:30 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW, it will make your updates from Nokia not really work, then you'll end up in a reboot loop | 19:30 |
| StOrM_NW | i m trying to install telepathy-salut, but the website says that i need to enable this mode in application manager | 19:31 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW, Consider using apt-get or dpkg from the command line, and if you really feel the need to use red pill mode, enable it, do what you need to do, then disable it | 19:31 |
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| StOrM_NW | so its a non-safe mode | 19:32 |
| johnx | yeah, it's a "at your own risk" mode :) | 19:33 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW, have you ever watched "The Matrix"? | 19:33 |
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| StOrM_NW | yep, but i though the red pill is the right mode to choose :P ... the blue pill is a lie | 19:34 |
| Proteous | the green pill tastes like burning | 19:34 |
| johnx | yeah. Neo got shot though :) | 19:34 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: sorry managed to alt-ctrl-backspace and felt I should take a small break | 19:35 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx: yup, I can't type into it but it loads the greater | 19:35 |
| r2d2rogers | greeter | 19:35 |
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| johnx | r2d2rogers, awesome. any thoughts on whether X should be killed as part of the auto-startx (aka autologin) removal process? | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I thought he died when the Agent makes him into another agent :P | 19:36 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx: not yet, but I'll let you know.. do you have any pacakge I can play with for the auto-startx? | 19:36 |
| johnx | anyways, the only certainty about "red pill mode" is that if you "enable it" you'll end up on a smelly, cramped ship in the post-apocalyptic future and you'll be terminally hunted by robots. Also, it's known to cause reboot loops. | 19:37 |
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| johnx | r2d2rogers, in a bit | 19:37 |
| disco_stu | johnx: there is nothing weird with the file that makes metalayer-crawler crash | 19:38 |
| johnx | r2d2rogers, there's always a million little buglets to catch it seems :/ | 19:38 |
| johnx | disco_stu, so, it crashes on all .vcf files? | 19:38 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: no.. with some of them.. but they are just like the ones that wont crash it | 19:39 |
| johnx | disco_stu, maybe just submit one of each? | 19:39 |
| johnx | with the bug report I mean | 19:40 |
| StOrM_NW | lol | 19:40 |
| disco_stu | should i add to this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2965 ? | 19:40 |
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| r2d2rogers | johnx: awesome, will play in the mean time | 19:41 |
| disco_stu | i solved doing: metalayer-crawler -c /path/to/music;/path/to/videos instead of metalayer-crawler -F | 19:42 |
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| johnx | disco_stu, since you have a specific problem and you can reproduce it I think a new bug might be good | 19:42 |
| disco_stu | not solved.. i mean a workaround | 19:43 |
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| disco_stu | johnx: ok | 19:43 |
| disco_stu | johnx: i think those people ran into similiar problems.. but they didnt strace it | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: updates: splash screen (but will cause problems if you dont install xserver-xomap) | 19:43 |
| johnx | disco_stu, possibly, but it's also likely that other files are causing it to segfault | 19:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: will the latest imager bake me a xomap-version | 19:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, or i can give you one | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, if you want to bake one yourself, it is all in launchpad | 19:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'm gonna use the imager | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | *i mean i am running it currently | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you're getting it through bzr right? | 19:46 |
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| Meiz_n810 | just got it | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:48 |
| disco_stu | i tried metalayer-crawler -c /path/to/vcf/files | 19:48 |
| disco_stu | and it doesnt crash | 19:48 |
| disco_stu | and it seems it doesn analyse vcf files | 19:48 |
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| qwerty12 | It only analyses filetypes listed in /usr/share/libmetalayer/metadata_lib.conf | 19:50 |
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| disco_stu | let me see | 19:51 |
| disco_stu | so, the problem is that when invoqued with -F it analyses all kind of files | 19:51 |
| disco_stu | cause in the file you said, vcf arent contemplated | 19:52 |
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| disco_stu | metalayer-crawler -c / | 19:53 |
| disco_stu | does not pick other than multimedia files.. and it wont crash | 19:54 |
| disco_stu | the "-F" is the problem | 19:54 |
| lcuk | johnx, still dont know what i was gonna ask you | 19:56 |
| johnx | lcuk, I really know the feeling :) | 19:57 |
| lcuk | its damned annoying because i thought "right ill ask john tomorrow" | 19:57 |
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| johnx | lcuk, maybe about "the unix-y way" to do something? debian packaging? svn/git stuff? | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | :D nm i will remember | 19:59 |
| johnx | If you were going to ask something else, I probably wouldn't be of much help anyways :> | 19:59 |
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| ciroip | yo lcuk, how are you? | 20:01 |
| TheFatal | http://meneame.net/story/microsoft-bloquea-conexion-msn-eng | 20:01 |
| TheFatal | :S | 20:01 |
| lcuk | feeling better now im home :) | 20:01 |
| ciroip | mh, great | 20:02 |
| lcuk | \o/ 24 starts tonight | 20:03 |
| ciroip | that damn ESD will kill me | 20:03 |
| lcuk | esound? | 20:03 |
| ciroip | 24? I could ever stand an entire episode... | 20:03 |
| ciroip | si, esound it keep showing up every 2 seconds at 2.5% on top | 20:04 |
| ciroip | 2.7 now | 20:04 |
| johnx | TheFatal, mi tambien | 20:04 |
| ciroip | I suspect the tablet use it for something different than just noise | 20:04 |
| TheFatal | johnx: :S **** microsoft | 20:05 |
| TheFatal | f*** | 20:05 |
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| ciroip | TheFatal: windows 7 opening animation is cool | 20:05 |
| johnx | TheFatal, it's their choice. I'll switch to gtalk | 20:05 |
| lcuk | ciroip, cool, did you get it running on the tablet? | 20:06 |
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| TheFatal | johnx: but for example olds version of msn cannot connect too :S | 20:06 |
| TheFatal | ciroip: win sucks for me | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | ciroip, is this for your clock app? How are you using esound? Hildon has its own way of invoking esound hildon.hildon_play_system_sound() (python version) (http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/hildon-hildon-sound.html) | 20:06 |
| johnx | TheFatal, http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.com/2009/01/msn-issues.html | 20:06 |
| TheFatal | johnx: it's already fixed | 20:07 |
| ciroip | mh, qwerty12 yes, for the clock. I call the sound from pygame | 20:07 |
| TheFatal | apt-get install msn-pecan | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | ciroip, ah. think that uses sdl which goes through esd | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | But I think you get more control though | 20:08 |
| ciroip | and I cant realize when it turn the esd on | 20:08 |
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| * lcuk bangs esd directly | 20:08 | |
| ciroip | even with all the pygame music elated calls off the clock keep turning that stupid esd on | 20:08 |
| ciroip | brb, food refill | 20:09 |
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| pupnik_ | i'd like to see a mob of old folks rioting someday | 20:12 |
| pupnik_ | that'd be a riot | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | Canes don't do much when compared to glocks :p | 20:12 |
| ciroip | back | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik_: they'd be successful.. most cops wouldn't touch them | 20:13 |
| pupnik_ | well they have experience from the '60s | 20:14 |
| pupnik_ | sticking flowers in gunbarrels | 20:14 |
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| ciroip | lcuk: do you know how many channels the esd can play simultaneous? | 20:21 |
| AStorm | ciroip: a lot and a few more | 20:21 |
| ciroip | I have no idea how modern audo is managed | 20:21 |
| lcuk | havent got a clue, i only send direct dynamically generated samples to it at the moment | 20:21 |
| lcuk | i dont think esd is modern ;) | 20:21 |
| AStorm | ciroip: there's no hard limit I think | 20:21 |
| AStorm | the only limit is processing power | 20:22 |
| lcuk | EsounD - News | 20:22 |
| lcuk | -------------------------------------------------- | 20:22 |
| lcuk | March 5, 2000 | 20:22 |
| lcuk | Yes, I'm still alive. | 20:22 |
| ciroip | lol, lcuk, I mean Im still at the 4 real hardware channel of the amiga | 20:22 |
| AStorm | Esound is dead, we should all switch to PulseAudio | 20:22 |
| ciroip | probably all the 'modern' approach use unlimited real rtime mixing sounds basing on the processor power | 20:23 |
| AStorm | ciroip: heh, even hardware mixing cards can do 32 channels at least | 20:23 |
| AStorm | yup | 20:23 |
| lcuk | hiya AStorm, does pulseaudio allow me to send over custom samples dynamically generated in reaction to user swiping? | 20:23 |
| AStorm | lcuk: it's esound-compatible and improved too | 20:23 |
| AStorm | so... | 20:23 |
| AStorm | yes | 20:23 |
| AStorm | :) | 20:23 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:23 |
| ciroip | lol, lcuck, that sound hot | 20:23 |
| ciroip | I cant wait to swing your apps | 20:24 |
| * lcuk wants wind noise whilst scrolling (H) | 20:24 | |
| AStorm | lcuk: it's also fairly low-latency | 20:24 |
| lcuk | it might not work | 20:24 |
| lcuk | the most genius suggestion was book page flapping noises with the book reader | 20:24 |
| ciroip | I would have a fart button | 20:24 |
| AStorm | ;P | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ciro_alarm : warning could not start sample PHARPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.wav too stinky | 20:25 |
| ciroip | anyway, someone should port a soundtracker on the tablet | 20:25 |
| lcuk | or make a proper touchable one :) | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | ciroip, I put MilkyTracker in extras... | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | *extras-devel | 20:26 |
| ciroip | UH QUERTY? WHERE WHERE | 20:26 |
| lcuk | you only installed it cos you thought it would monitor your chocolatebars | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, guilty as charged :P | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | ciroip, extras-devel! :P | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | ~extras | 20:26 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 20:26 |
| ciroip | uf, too much extras | 20:27 |
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| ciroip | 2.5 mb, I was used to the assembler version running in 512 kb | 20:42 |
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| ciroip | the ting look great | 20:42 |
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| ciroip | let me find a module and see if it can even play... | 20:43 |
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| ciroip | oh damn, QWERTY12 U made my 2009 | 20:54 |
| stv0 | some minutes ago i packaged my first ported applikation for maemo | 20:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ciroip, :) | 20:55 |
| ciroip | how hard it porting that app on the tablet? | 20:55 |
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| stv0 | how do i upload it to the extra repo? | 20:55 |
| stv0 | quite easy | 20:55 |
| stv0 | ./configure && make without errors & warnings | 20:55 |
| stv0 | i dont need svn ord git.. | 20:55 |
| ciroip | well, ITs GREAT, I can relisten all the tim wright mods and cry on the years long gone | 20:56 |
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| ciroip | wow, it really sound great | 20:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ciroip, it wasn't much of a port tbh. I adapted the debian packaging for Maemo and made some of the default settings nicer, changed it to use the F5 key to fullscreen instead of alt+enter etc :). i think i edited debian/changelog with the stuff i'd done | 20:58 |
| johnx | stv0, it builds a debian package correctly with dpkg-buildpackage? | 20:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I also realised that SDL_putenv is there to cause problems & putenv does the job fine :) | 20:59 |
| ciroip | well, qwerty12_N800 maybe U dont know how much content that bring on the tablet | 20:59 |
| stv0 | johnx: yes | 20:59 |
| johnx | stv0, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 20:59 |
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| stv0 | oh thanks | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | aliens! | 21:02 |
| ciroip | lcuk: the movie? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | no, battery draining demons | 21:05 |
| ciroip | oh :) | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: excorsize your demons! | 21:14 |
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| stv0 | yeah next application ported successfully ;) | 21:26 |
| pupnik_ | what is it? | 21:26 |
| stv0 | minicom | 21:26 |
| disq | my package passed the autobuilder last night but still not in the respective repository dir, any idea what's going on? | 21:27 |
| stv0 | just a smal terminal emulator for my serial to usb adapter | 21:27 |
| disq | i could just resign it and upload to diablo extas, but well | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | disq, you don't need to sign anymore :) | 21:30 |
| pupnik_ | stv0: minicom is a term emulator type software? can it display ANSI graphics? | 21:30 |
| pupnik_ | with IBM characters? | 21:30 |
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| stv0 | pupnik_: no it runs in a terminal and shows input from a serial port | 21:31 |
| stv0 | for example a old modem | 21:31 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik_, www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26144 - Deuce forced me to build it :) | 21:32 |
| stv0 | as admin i can use this for maintance tasks on my headless servers | 21:32 |
| pupnik_ | kind of you, qwerty12_N800 | 21:33 |
| johnx | stv0, pretty much what I figured. My first guess was routers though :) | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik_, :) | 21:33 |
| stv0 | john_x: yes too | 21:34 |
| stv0 | oh syncterm has the same capabilities :) and a lot more funtions :) | 21:34 |
| pupnik_ | i think it's great that Addison is using a N8x0 to connect to DOS-era BBSes | 21:35 |
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| RST38h | HTC 2009 lineup leaked: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2357 | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Enjoy and weep from knowing that all of these will run that hideous WinMobile =) | 21:35 |
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| stv0 | pubnik_: whats bbs? | 21:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, what about the "An Hero"? | 21:36 |
| pupnik_ | Bulletin Board System | 21:36 |
| stv0 | ok thx | 21:36 |
| ciroip | I used to run a bbs :) | 21:36 |
| johnx | RST38h, aaah, I see. the models running other OSes aren't posted there. you should hit up engadget. link to all the leaked pictures on mediafire | 21:37 |
| johnx | also, that whitestone W looks awfully familiar... | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | johnx: it is a pink G1. You can dismiss it on this ground alone | 21:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: yea | 21:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: but I do think that all of them except for the pink (!) G1 run WinMob | 21:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, it's crazy how once they make a render of a product the color is set in stone and can never be changed again | 21:39 |
| johnx | it is a different design and codename than the G1. might have different internals or a different screen. *shrugs* | 21:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: Looks like G1 to me | 21:41 |
| RST38h | In fact, a lot of these look like newer models of existing phones | 21:41 |
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| johnx | it does resemble a G1 but it's clearly different. though why android can't run on something non-bananaphone shaped I'll never know | 21:42 |
| johnx | I'm betting lower cost and keyboardless | 21:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: But you have no acquired a useful piece of knowledge | 21:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: Android can run on *pink bananaphones*! | 21:43 |
| lcuk | invisible pink bananaphones | 21:44 |
| johnx | also: that "ring-ring-ring banana phone" video was actually a leaked piece of concept art | 21:44 |
| johnx | s/leaked/escaped (?) | 21:44 |
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| pupnik_ | are there LEDs that only emit photons in one exact direction (like a laser)? | 21:47 |
| johnx | a lower cost kid/teen oriented android device would pretty much confirm what I thought about google's strategy | 21:47 |
| pupnik_ | maybe it'd be possible to make glasses that focus an image on the retina, without bulky lenses | 21:47 |
| johnx | pupnik_, wikipedia says "laser diode" | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: btw at some point we need to check our hildon-icons and sdk-default-icons.. i suspect some might be missing | 21:48 |
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| johnx | ok, should be able to check on that tomorrow | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | as arrow, image/etc folder don't come up | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: laser LEDs :) | 21:54 |
| RST38h | pupnik: like ones in laser pointers | 21:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, what version of debhelper is in MER SDK | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: 5 :/ | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure why | 21:55 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I do suggest against directing them at your retina unless you have got any spare retinas | 21:55 |
| pupnik_ | ok. then all we need is a matrix of tiny ones, perfectly aligned to beam towards a focal point in the cornea | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: you don't | 21:55 |
| pupnik_ | oh. | 21:55 |
| johnx | pupnik_, why not do it the way those pico dlp projectors do it? | 21:55 |
| RST38h | pupnik: All you need is ~$300-500 for glasses that will do the same with tiny displays and mirrors | 21:56 |
| pupnik_ | but they eye can't focus that close | 21:56 |
| RST38h | pupnik: They are already commercially available | 21:56 |
| johnx | pupnik_, mirrors :) | 21:56 |
| pupnik_ | i am failing to visualize how that works | 21:56 |
| johnx | RST38h, sadly the LCDs in those glasses aren't nicely transparent yet. quite annoying | 21:56 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the eye focuses just fine, it is all accounted for in the contruction | 21:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: there are different models, including ones projecting images onto the glasses themselves | 21:57 |
| pupnik_ | i saw a strange device with a mirror back around 1989 | 21:57 |
| RST38h | johnx: So, if you don't mind some extra weight and looking like a mix of Bono and Gordie Laforge... | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 21:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, that's the problem. I'd like to maintain some kind of social life | 21:58 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Virtual Boy? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, i wouldv thought you had seen strange things in mirrors all your life :P | 21:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: using any maemo theme in Mer breaks some icons, like blutooth-applet. | 21:58 |
| johnx | there's a certain geekiness threshold I'd like to stay beneath | 21:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/blu/blue | 21:58 |
| RST38h | lemme check what glasses are avilable right now | 21:58 |
| pupnik_ | oh THATs what it was. thanks lcuk | 21:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, some very interesting consumer options at reasonable prices these days, but it's the same image on both eyes :/ | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, fallback icon theme | 22:00 |
| pupnik_ | our time period feels so primitive compared to how i thought it would be when i was a kid | 22:00 |
| johnx | pupnik_, and yet, here you are talking to people all over the world about handheld computers :) | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: they're missing / we're missing some stupid rule with a fallback-icon-theme | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: if i don't copy maemos icons, it doesn't fall on any theme | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, i know - i made titan specifically fall back to hildon | 22:01 |
| johnx | pupnik_, BTW, I just saw the most terrifying "flying car" http://i.gizmodo.com/5129134/british-adventurer-to-traverse-europe-africa-in-his-amazing-skycar | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, ??? really, we have flying cars http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7821979.stm more computing power in the palm of your hand than used to exist in entire buildings! | 22:01 |
| johnx | lcuk, that looks awesome doesn't it? :D | 22:01 |
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| johnx | sadly doesn't fall under the ultralight category :/ | 22:02 |
| lcuk | yea - my dad has a paraglider (and normal glider/parasail stuff as well) - i REALLY want one of them | 22:02 |
| RST38h | johnx: http://www.vrealities.com/hmd.html | 22:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: here is the full range | 22:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: alas, they are all laforgian | 22:03 |
| johnx | sweet jesus. someone shoot their web master O_o | 22:03 |
| lcuk | we are the borg. http://www.vrealities.com/vr1hmd.jpg | 22:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: cute borg female | 22:04 |
| lcuk | you shes a photoshop. his real name is Roger Pennilsworth, hes a 23 stone trucker from eastern Halifax | 22:05 |
| lcuk | pardon | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Another list of HMDs: http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm | 22:05 |
| lcuk | -you | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, oi! | 22:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, from 2006 :P | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Look at the Micro Optical ones - they are pretty decent and can be worn | 22:05 |
| pupnik_ | which one doesn't suck | 22:06 |
| lcuk | lolololol sorry qwerty12_N800 i forgot you were northern | 22:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, no, it's just that qwerty is secretly a 23 stone trucker :D | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, grr :P | 22:07 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh noez, johnx has stumbled upon my other identity :p :D | 22:07 |
| lcuk | on closer inspection, that pirate borg wench is kinda attractive, but i would need more imagery | 22:07 |
| johnx | RST38h, do you know if the ones on "vrealities" are actually capable of displaying two signals or is it something like shutter glasses? | 22:08 |
| glass | vrealities? theres head mountables with two displays | 22:09 |
| johnx | yeah, they have two displays. but are they capable of accepting two different sources (even with hacking) or are they doing the 3D with shutters and alternating frames | 22:10 |
| lcuk | does it matter at 120hz? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: Dunno but the first review actually groups 3d capable glasses into a separate category | 22:11 |
| johnx | hard to call it a "review" when they sell the things | 22:11 |
| johnx | lcuk, which ones were running at 120Hz? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | when i was reading about the nvidia ones, i recall that was the frequency pushed out by the cards giving 60 each | 22:12 |
| johnx | lcuk, aaah, but those are brand shiny new and don't even integrate the displays | 22:13 |
| johnx | I'm digging through these ones RST38h linked | 22:13 |
| RST38h | johnx: ok, a catalogue, sorry | 22:13 |
| lcuk | mmmmmm no, i recall this from ages ago - i think i even saw it on zzz.com.ru | 22:14 |
| johnx | lcuk, ah, well, they have new ones :) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | i just saw now | 22:15 |
| lcuk | # V8200 Deluxe - 64MB Frame Buffer | 22:16 |
| lcuk | # VGA + Video-in + TV-out + VR 3D glasses | 22:16 |
| lcuk | thats from 2001 :D its a 64mb geforce 3 | 22:16 |
| johnx | right, for shutter glasses :P | 22:17 |
| glass | remember the helmet from mid '90s? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Guy Gets Back Stolen Car and Phone by Texting Thieves He's Got Hot Girls and Drugs! | 22:18 |
| johnx | so, bring your own LCD and watch it with shutter glasses, get nauseous in minutes and throw up on your keyboard | 22:18 |
| * RST38h even remembers the Virtual Boy | 22:18 | |
| RST38h | 64 red LEDs, rotating mirror | 22:18 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hot girls? | 22:18 |
| johnx | RST38h, I have a friend who collects virtual boy stuff :) | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | johnx: very few games were released for it | 22:18 |
| RST38h | inside it used a NEC RISCish CPU | 22:19 |
| glass | hehe virtual boy, never saw one live | 22:19 |
| johnx | RST38h, He's working on getting most of them. He's living in Japan scouring used game stores :) | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: with the comment about nauseous.. i wondered if i ever had vertigo before in my life until recently, and you just reminded me, - yes, i did, when trying our a VR helmet at a fair | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | our/out | 22:22 |
| johnx | bummer. I don't think I don't remember getting sick while playing with some nice SGI VR stuff back in University | 22:23 |
| johnx | but again....nice. SGI. stuff. | 22:23 |
| johnx | anyways, hence my disinterest in "alternating frames / shutter glasses" | 22:23 |
| jaska | wouldnt those need double the refresh rate of normal? | 22:24 |
| johnx | shutter glasses? yes. actually, probably more than that | 22:25 |
| johnx | I forgot how high Nvidia went with their recent pair that people finally find comfortable/usable | 22:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | OOo 3 now available :L | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | "I will go with peace, into a night" | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | "where no one is brighter or dumber" | 22:26 |
| jaska | id guesstimate 150Hz | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | "where beauty does not fall to blight" | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | "and microsoft has not one customer" | 22:26 |
| jaska | atleast needed | 22:26 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/:L/:)/ | 22:26 |
| infobot | Meiz_n810 meant: OOo 3 now available :) | 22:26 |
| johnx | jaska, looks like nvidia is getting by with 120 | 22:27 |
| jaska | well, thatd be the bare minimum :D | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: that'll be a miracle if it runs | 22:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | what do you mean? | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: on tablet :P | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | OOo 3 on my ubuntu-box is way faster than the 2.4 | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: am i odd for wanting to explain to the gf the Mer stuff i'm doing is not free fantasy, and trying to prove i'm not insane like in 'A beautiful mind'? ;) | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | free/pure | 22:29 |
| lcuk | it wont work | 22:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | why? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | she already thinks you are turning into RMS :P | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i cut my beard recently | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nope. not odd at all. my wife is very polite about it, but I get the feeling she's not that impressed yet, especially since OS2008 looks so much prettier at this point | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe. wazd's artwork + theme is a good step in the right direction ;) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | i was cutting my beard as well and would you believe it I found a whole chicken drumstick! | 22:30 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. we really lucked out in that way :D | 22:31 |
| johnx | lcuk, lucky! all I ever ended up with was rice :/ | 22:31 |
| * Stskeeps reboots his tablet just to see the splash again | 22:31 | |
| r2d2rogers | I like the new splash too <G> | 22:31 |
| r2d2rogers | otherwise I'm seeing what I can break <G> | 22:32 |
| lcuk | god i hate this file manager | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: doesn't it mess up your X? | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | fuN <G> | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah, good | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | on the normal desktop the mer_9 image is quite reasonable, but elsewhere (liqbase) the white is very very bright and overpowering vs the rest | 22:33 |
| * lcuk ponders | 22:34 | |
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| tehforum | hi | 22:38 |
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| r2d2rogers | what's the best way to get to the auto-startx ? | 22:42 |
| r2d2rogers | maemo-launcher doesn't like when I just edit the gdm.conf file | 22:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | gdm starts X on its own | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | remove auto-startx package | 22:43 |
| johnx | in fact, it should conflict... | 22:43 |
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| johnx | hmm, maybe I'm being stupid but zenity's not building on armel, but is on x86 | 22:46 |
| johnx | s/on/for | 22:46 |
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| r2d2rogers | I can get to the greeter screen, but how do I get it logged in automatically? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: there's a trick somewhere in deblet repo | 22:47 |
| johnx | in gdm? there's settings to enable auto login | 22:47 |
| johnx | auto-startx is something entirely different (much simpler) | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: that's weird, yeah | 22:47 |
| johnx | something about import libxml2 | 22:47 |
| johnx | python huh? | 22:47 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx: when I edit those options in gdm.conf, maemo-launcher gives an error when the X session dies in less than 10- seconds | 22:48 |
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| johnx | r2d2rogers, it dies because hildon-desktop is crashing for some reason. you might find the answer in ~/.xsession-errors | 22:48 |
| r2d2rogers | johnx: will grab that error, talked about invoker and socket? | 22:49 |
| johnx | not ringing a bell here | 22:49 |
| johnx | but maemo stuff throws some *weird errors* for very odd reasons | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you dont have stuff in rc.local anymore, right? | 22:50 |
| r2d2rogers | am I right in making a user and setting that user as the auto log in | 22:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: correct, for now, just commented out | 22:50 |
| * Stskeeps tries running nm-applet | 22:50 | |
| Stskeeps | to see -wtf- stops it from working | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | didn't i have it working in deblet in hildon? | 22:51 |
| johnx | you did, but ifup also worked in deblet and isn't quite right in mer | 22:51 |
| johnx | ~lart cx3110x | 22:51 |
| * infobot beats cx3110x to within 2.54cm of his life | 22:51 | |
| johnx | ~botsnack | 22:51 |
| infobot | aw, gee, johnx | 22:51 |
| RST38h | kernel build started | 22:51 |
| johnx | RST38h, for which platform? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: stmp37xx | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | want Mer on it? ;> | 22:53 |
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| johnx | my last kernel build was on a wii | 22:53 |
| johnx | wow...man-db + qemu = pain | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | touch /CurrentlyBuilding | 22:54 |
| lcuk | jacks back | 22:54 |
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| johnx | nah, jack's gone | 22:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, gonna run emulators on someone's TV? | 22:54 |
| RST38h | something like that | 22:56 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if the election campaigns for next council already started or something | 22:56 | |
| RST38h | no, just random bitching | 22:57 |
| johnx | Johnx for council - make me your emperor! | 22:57 |
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| * Stskeeps is perfectly fine in a coder position/managing projects | 22:58 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:58 |
| johnx | I will lead us into a new age of ... ooooh, shiny, what was I talking about? | 22:59 |
| johnx | </campaign> | 22:59 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly what the helicopter outside is doing | 22:59 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 pledges to vote for johnx | 22:59 | |
| Stskeeps | i'll vote for anyone who gets a sane wifi applet on mer | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | re | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | (without using nokia's ICD, that's cheating) | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it's from Nokia in Finland doing espionage work to get Mer secrets | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | speaking of which though | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't icd1 OSS? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no | 23:01 |
| * Stskeeps ponders why network-manager depends on bluez-gnome | 23:01 | |
| johnx | it manages 3G connections too now | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nm is a pos, it'll depend on anything | 23:02 |
| johnx | maybe it handles tethering as well? | 23:02 |
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| johnx | it's nice when it works, but yeah, it can be hard on wifi drivers that seem to work when brought up manually | 23:02 |
| RST38bis | much better | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | why the fuck does network manager depend on gweather | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | -why- | 23:03 |
| aquatix | it should handle tethering | 23:03 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 23:03 |
| aquatix | but i couldn't find how to pair from nm with my phone | 23:03 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: whuh? | 23:03 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I was wrong, and you were right | 23:03 |
| RST38bis | hell last ssu broke modest again | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: apt-get install network-manager-gnome brought in gweather | 23:04 |
| johnx | RST38bis, works here. still getting my IHOP newsletter | 23:04 |
| aquatix | via-via i'd say | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, with what? :) | 23:04 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, about nm-applet being a dependency whore...gweather... | 23:04 |
| RST38bis | johnx: asks me for passwords all the time | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh :) | 23:04 |
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| aquatix | hf all | 23:05 |
| johnx | gah! and now zenity's configure won't even run for me in my own mer sdk. think I might have killed it with apt-get or something :/ | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | fakeroot apt-get? | 23:06 |
| r2d2rogers | so does the default boot option work for anyone in Mer or do you all have to choose usb gadget or console for it to come up? | 23:07 |
| johnx | yeah, used fakeroot apt-get to get zenity's build deps | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: we switched to Xomap on n8x0 temporarily | 23:07 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders why hildon input method isn't working | 23:08 | |
| johnx | and now zenity's configure can't find gtk (I have mer's libgtk of course) | 23:08 |
| * r2d2rogers googles | 23:08 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, huh, worked a couple days ago | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: just add in a fb_update_mode auto in your gdm script somewhere | 23:08 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, does the 770 need that as well? | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we don't have Xomap on it | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | (it was a pretty bad port :P) | 23:09 |
| r2d2rogers | I have pretty Mer background this boot, instead of the grey one <G> | 23:09 |
| johnx | I always guessed that fb_update_mode stuff was a hack to deal with the n8x0's crappy LCD bus. didn't know it was an issue on the 770 | 23:09 |
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| johnx | keyword: guessed :) | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: is just a matter if it updates it itself or manually i guess | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, heh, fb is even more crap on n800 :D | 23:10 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: in gdm.conf? | 23:10 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, right, that's what I thought. the n8x0 is the only arm linux device I've seen with something relating to fb_update mode | 23:11 |
| johnx | kind of assume the others are all "auto" | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: the "right" solution is that we take xf86-video-omapfb and add in a fb update mode ioctl call :) | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | like in fb_update_mode.c | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | or as sui said earlier | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | someone porting manual updates to it | 23:11 |
| r2d2rogers | cool | 23:12 |
| r2d2rogers | oooh nice crash | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-NM.png | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | a little further.. | 23:13 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: sweet | 23:14 |
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| johnx | wonder if GeneralAntilles will do up some nice icons for nm-applet if we ask real nice | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | GA's artistic? :P | 23:16 |
| johnx | he did some icons for advanced backlight | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:17 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why there's no .gconf | 23:17 | |
| Stskeeps | then again neither is there in maemo | 23:18 |
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| andre___ | /etc/gconf/ ? | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | andre___: not writable by user on maemo | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | (that was my first guess too) | 23:21 |
| andre___ | garr, i always forget the path :) | 23:21 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: what's the status of Mer btw? | 23:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /var/lib/gconf | 23:22 |
| andre___ | ah right... | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yougottabekiddingme | 23:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, no shit | 23:23 |
| bef0rd | Hi!1 | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: now with splash screen, using Xomap temporarily again, theming working, transparency.. | 23:24 |
| b-man | cool | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The path's hacked by Maemo ppl - at least that's what is said when you import a schema anyway... | 23:24 |
| b-man | problems with xserver-xorg? :) | 23:25 |
| johnx | and as soon as I get zenity to build again I'll need victims for first-boot-wizard | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: just wanted it to be a little faster | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's worse yet though | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | gconf-dir -> /var/lib/gconf | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | in /etc/osso-af-init | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eurgh... | 23:25 |
| * Stskeeps passes around the bong | 23:25 | |
| b-man | lol | 23:26 |
| * qwerty12_N800 puffs | 23:26 | |
| * b-man puffs | 23:26 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so, it definately worked while in root. | 23:26 |
| r2d2rogers | hildon input method still working for me now under a user login | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | weird | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | but ok | 23:26 |
| * Stskeeps votes for $HOME/.gconf | 23:26 | |
| r2d2rogers | doesn't looks pretty ;0 | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | OBJECTION! | 23:27 |
| johnx | i have a /var/lib/gconf under ubuntu as well... | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: probably system-wide | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | this is per user | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | well | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | one user | 23:27 |
| johnx | aaah, user values in /var/lib/gconf? | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:27 |
| johnx | Nokia, Nokia...I'm not angry...just disappointed | 23:28 |
| TheFatal | one question... where is the sql database of the connection password ?? | 23:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | s/sql/gconf/ | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we should adopt the santicity of having user settings in. $HOME! | 23:28 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, yes. and we can call our new system UNIX. we could maybe even support more than one user per system... | 23:29 |
| johnx | nah, it'll never catch on | 23:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, what will be the licensing fees? :> | 23:29 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, cheapish to universities, or if you're using it as an excuse to get super star trek running | 23:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hmm, don't think my needs fit into that criteria. i'll let microsoft have free rein over my piggy bank instead :) | 23:32 |
| b-man | heh | 23:32 |
| * b-man hates windows | 23:33 | |
| RST38bis | hurrrah | 23:33 |
| TheFatal | xD | 23:33 |
| RST38bis | it runs! | 23:33 |
| b-man | :D | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: status on installer then? | 23:35 |
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| r2d2rogers | random reboots | 23:36 |
| b-man | i'll be uploading a newer version sometime soon (i've been a little busy with non-computer related stuff) | 23:36 |
| b-man | i just joined track at my school :D | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | athlete? scary | 23:37 |
| b-man | yep, i'm in cross-country and track :D | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: objections to hogging builder a bit with gconf? | 23:37 |
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| * b-man likes to run a lot XD | 23:39 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, go for it. I guess zenity is not to be tonight. I have no idea why it's messing up | 23:39 |
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| johnx | ahaha...I was in track. totally unrelated to being athletic | 23:40 |
| b-man | lol - i allmost made varsity im cross-country :D | 23:41 |
| b-man | edit: in | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i could probably have been good at running since i had practice from running away from bullies chasing me, but yeah.. geekdom appeared instead | 23:42 |
| b-man | lol XD | 23:42 |
| johnx | heh...I'm pretty much in better shape now than I ever was in school | 23:42 |
| b-man | heh | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | i shouldn't have stopped biking to school each day :P | 23:43 |
| b-man | hehe | 23:44 |
| johnx | I have no real choice but walking if I want to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time | 23:44 |
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| Corsac | hey there | 23:44 |
| b-man | hi | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, generally though, is life in Japan good? :) | 23:45 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, generally I really like it. Though after you live two places you're never 100% happy in either one :) | 23:46 |
| * b-man would like to live in japan :) | 23:46 | |
| johnx | and as much as I miss driving I really enjoy being able to walk places or take the train and not get held up in rush hour traffic | 23:46 |
| Corsac | I wonder about buying an n810, seeing that n9xx won't be there soon. But I'd like a qwerty one and I'm in France, where I guess it'll be an azerty one. But I'll be at FOSDEM next month, do you think it'll be possible to catch a qwerty unit there? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | you can always adjust the keymap though | 23:47 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: yeah but that's not exactly the same thing, especially for weird chars | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, :) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: try ask a question on internettablettalk .. i think some of nokia people are going | 23:48 |
| Corsac | and I'm now used to qwerty :) | 23:48 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: do they have a chan, or on the web forum? | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | internettablettalk.com/forums | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | nokia/maemo people weigh in often so | 23:49 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, and actually, I think the US has access to the most/cheapest gadgets that people actually want :) | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hehe, my sister is always moaning about how things are a lot cheaper in the US than they are in the UK :D | 23:50 |
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| johnx | qwerty12_N800, and I am too :) Really, though I'm comparing street prices here to internet ordering in the US | 23:51 |
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| johnx | not exactly a fair comparison given how much it costs to rent shop-space here | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | for gadgets and such, net shops has pretty much taken over here | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | except for phones | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | and expensive retail | 23:52 |
| johnx | it's starting to really catch on here too, but I think not as fast as in the US/EU | 23:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I hear that the Japanese people are pretty decent when it comes to shopkeeping & things, like I once read about this guy who bought a "laser printer" but when he got home & opened the box, it had a massive book in it so he went back and the shop let him exchange it without complaint | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | having the EU quite helps trade in that area | 23:53 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, for stuff like that yes, for returning partially defective things it's closer to "buyer beware" | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah... :/ | 23:55 |
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| johnx | and then there's the fact that the shops selling the most interesting things are sometimes a folding table in an alley :D | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :D | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | if it wasnt for the risk of confiscation i would probably go get some strange copy things and hack them to run mer in HK or the likes.. | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you & johnx should move to China where you can sell knockoff N800's with Mer & things like icd & flash with it :p | 23:58 |
| RST38h | What strange copy things? | 23:58 |
| johnx | RST38bis, all those Chinese knock-off products you hate | 23:59 |
| * RST38h does not hate Chinese knock off products. He just buyer-bewares them | 23:59 | |
| Shadow_M | how can you use tab or auto complete in xchat on a n810 | 23:59 |
| RST38h | (tm) | 23:59 |
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