IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-01-10

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wazdWhat about Terminal version of OMWeather?)00:01
Stskeeps"$ weather"00:02
wazdPeople say that OMWeather handles too much functionality in it00:02
Stskeeps"you might want to stay inside today. it's dark, depressing outside. and there's vampires."00:02
Stskeepswazd: i'd rather say a dbus service, but thats just me..00:02
w00tsounds like another day in the life of stskeeps00:02
Stskeepsw00t: that's how i think every morning these days since it's not light outside at 8am00:03
wazdok, for serious, how do you like "weather station mode"?)00:04
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GeneralAntillesThar be monsters00:05
GeneralAntillesdbus is good00:05
wazdsomething like this:
Stskeepswazd: full screen widgets when charging could be interesting00:06
Stskeepskinda like chumby00:06
Stskeepsthen again, anything pretty is way outside my area of expertise00:06
wazdWell, that mimics some stand alone devices to show weather... and time))00:08
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Stskeepswazd: speaking of pretty things, you happen to have any good redistributable wallpapers we can use for the initial art of Mer?00:08
wazdI can do it specially for Mer00:08
Stskeepsjust so we start having something that looks better than grey X background .. :>00:09
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Stskeepsbtw, wazd:
Stskeepsis a dormant layout laying in hildon00:10
Stskeepsjust thought of that when i saw your suggestions00:10
GeneralAntillesCan we get a picture of Stskeeps drunk to use as the default?00:10
Stskeepsi'm sure w00t has a couple laying about.00:10
* b-man hoped he did not just blow up his computer. X[00:10
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: ping?00:12
JaffaWatching the webOS video at so makes me want an OMAP3 pocketable device00:12
r2d2rogersStskeeps: pong00:13
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: what kernel version do you have in internal flash00:13
r2d2rogersrzr: howdy, I saw you asked about Mer on 770 earlier?00:13
* b-man just installed ubuntu to his c drive... oh god...00:14
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: (i'm doing the imager right now cos my work computer crashed)00:14
r2d2rogersfanoush's 48Mhz all singing special00:14
Stskeepsb-man: heh, bye bye porn collection00:14
GeneralAntillesJaffa, my life since before the N810 was announced. ;)00:14
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: uname -a ?00:14
Stskeepsjust wondering the version00:14
r2d2rogerschecking in maemo on my other 77000:14
Stskeepsand there's a typical umac.ko there?00:15
* b-man watches in horror as win98 starts to get eaten by ubuntu....00:15
Stskeeps (list the firmware .arm's laying about too in initfs)00:15
r2d2rogers2.6.16.27-omap1 #4 PREEMPT00:15
Stskeepsb-man: i think it's karma for accidentially wiping out Meiz's SD card the other day ;)00:15
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: ta00:16
r2d2rogersjust in /mnt/initfs or?00:17
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b-manStskeeps: meh, that computer was usless to me anyways... :)00:18
Stskeepsb-man: hehe00:18
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r2d2rogers3825.arm and 3826.arm00:18
Stskeepsthat's curious really00:19
Stskeepsis it OS2008HE?00:19
Stskeepsor which?00:19
r2d2rogerscan reflash one if needed00:19
Stskeepsnah, im good00:19
r2d2rogersI have my working install on mmc anyhwo00:20
Stskeepsi'm just setting up image generation so00:20
r2d2rogersalso booted the Mer in case you need anything more00:20
* r2d2rogers checks bugzilla for the sapwood bug again00:20
Stskeepsnothing new really00:21
Stskeepsi'll take a whip at it, but first after my exams00:21
r2d2rogerssounds good00:21
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wazdStskeeps: when you'll have Mer meeting next time?00:28
Stskeepswazd: think start of february really.. originally planned was this month, but i'm personally swamped and we need a proper initial image first00:28
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Stskeepswhich is getting very close00:28
Stskeepsi overestimated how much time i had in december so :)00:28
* b-man starts to point and chuckel as the win98 desktop begins to disolve on the screen. :D00:29
wazdStskeeps: What actual borders of UI should I have?00:30
wazdStskeeps: Maybe I should read more bout hildon itself00:31
Stskeepswazd: well, depends on what you are aiming to do :)00:31
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Stskeepsour hildon is using hildon-theme-plankton00:32
Stskeepsand the typical layout which diablo also uses00:32
Stskeepsbut isn't limited to only using that, though :)00:33
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wazdMy aim depends on what I should do)00:33
wazdWallpaper - ok, I can make personal theme if it's maemo compatible00:34
Stskeepsyeah, it is00:34
Stskeeps(i think)00:34
Stskeepsyou saw screenshots from mer already?00:35
Stskeeps , etc00:35
wazdsome of, but it looks similar to maemo scratchbox :)00:35
Stskeepsexactly :)00:35
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Stskeepswhich isnt always the prettiest00:36
GeneralAntillesTo anybody who's flashed one of the recent FIASCO images, are flash-and-reboot, initfs-flash, and kernel-diablo-flash included?00:36
Stskeepswazd: our biggest problem is basically lack of artwork, - the sdk icons are obviously not the same as on tablet itself00:37
Stskeepsand themes00:37
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wazdwell, I definitely can help that way)00:37
Stskeepsi hope we will get closer to a point where people really can start experimenting with it00:37
Stskeepswe've also seperated the hildon desktop from the layout, so you can change to layouts like if you so wanted00:38
wazdLet's start with simple :)00:38
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Stskeepsjust by apt-getting another layout00:38
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StskeepsRST38h: funny fact i just noticed.00:39
Stskeepsyou remember speaking of 32-bit color?00:39
StskeepsRST38h: guess what sapwood has now? 24 and 32 bit support :)00:40
wazdI just came up with some changes, just for myself, hows it guys?
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Stskeepsimmediate direction, the artwork on the left in "get involved" and "get help", together, looks like a football stadium :)00:42
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Stskeepsreaction, i mean00:43
Jaffawazd: a little too cramped compared with your earlier design00:43
wazdYep, too narrow for 4 coloumns00:44
* Jaffa should go to bed. No idea how well Jaffina'll sleep00:45
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Stskeepsr2d2rogers: 770 stuff merged into imager now btw00:47
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GAN800lol, image scaling works in WebKit.00:48
GAN800Much faster than it ever did in MicroB, too.00:48
Stskeepsshould really try that webkit thing sometime. if it's half as good as midori..00:49
r2d2rogersI still need to get pluged in better with bzr and the SDK00:49
Jaffa makes an interesting point. If pronvit's done so much with webkit-eal in a few weeks, why didn't Nokia do it?00:49
GAN800but for some reason Minimalist annihilates inertial.00:49
JaffaStskeeps: I had a quick play this afternoon - it's very cool00:50
StskeepsJaffa: isn't webkit used on the other N-devices?00:50
JaffaGAN800: As did full Gmail00:50
skiburI didn't know that somebody was able to install Slackware (ARMedSlack) on the Nokia 770.00:50
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Stskeepsskibur: nitdroid and Mer is much cooler, though00:50
GAN800Jaffa, maybe js mouseover stuff?00:50
JaffaStskeeps: I don't know to what extent.00:50
JaffaGAN800: Definitely JSey, mouseover or some other event handling perhaps.00:50
StskeepsJaffa: we could run GWT applications on N96, at least00:51
* Jaffa wonders if paternity leave is a good time to get stuck into Mer.00:51
Stskeepsi always seem to get stuck into these things when i have exams00:51
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, all nokia symbian s60 9.1 phones use a webkit based browser00:52
Stskeepsthought so00:52
lcuki think it tears more when theres LESS to do because its trying to draw more frames00:52
RST38hWebkit does show more problems with websites00:52
RST38hthan Gecko00:52
JaffaGAN800: Your follow on point about the fact that the community's able to provide this stuff is a Good Thing is also true :)00:52
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: able to do a quick sapwood switcheroo?00:53
Stskeepsjust compiled trunk00:53
r2d2rogersStskeeps: yessir00:53
GAN800Jaffa, think about how much better the reception would've been with scrolling like this when OS2008 came out. . . .00:53
r2d2rogershave itup and able00:53
Stskeepstwo packages there00:54
JaffaGAN800: aye. Even looking at the webOS demo part of me was thinking "what's the chance of Fremantle being that integrated, consistent and thought out (ah, the benefits of having a wholly new platform)" - oh, and "mmm, more OMAP3 demo luvliness", the other part was thinking "this is old, it's not doing anything the iPhone didn't do 2 years ago, except multitasking"00:55
r2d2rogersStskeeps: will do, then reboot00:55
RST38hOnce again: iPhone does multitasking.00:55
JaffaGAN800: (my point being that fremantle'll have to be absolutely good, rather than just relatively good to get Maemo back on people's radars)00:55
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JaffaRST38h: s/multitasking/running multiple end-user applications at the same time beyond any core set of services/00:56
Jaffa"multitasking" seemed like an understandable shortcut ;-)00:56
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lcukthe running apps mostly seemed reactive though00:57
Jaffalcuk: true - there was no demoing of notification of new email, inbound call, IM etc.00:57
wazdHope Fremantle would be even better00:57
RST38hJaffa: Once you jailbreak it, it does that as well00:57
lcukthere was i think, something updated on one of the windows00:57
wazdJaffa: there was a demo of it in fact00:57
* Stskeeps coughs a bit on the iTT comment that openmoko was a stunning success00:57
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RST38hAs to Fremantle, you better start lowering your expectations RIGHT NOW00:58
wazdJaffa: of e-mail, IM and call00:58
JaffaStskeeps: sarcasm.00:58
Jaffawazd: oh, cool - missed it, then.00:58
StskeepsJaffa: better hope so :P00:58
sistohave you guys seen the new Asus EEE d200 nas server?00:58
lcukRST38h, not really it doesnt, if you jailbreak it you get access to the OS to run your own stuff, but you cannot magically make the game engine do more without serious work00:58
RST38hBecause there is no way it is going to be as good as a few dozen hardcore fans will expect it to be, for 6 months.00:58
sistoit runs linux00:58
RST38hlcuk: Mmm?00:59
RST38hlcuk: You can run multiple processes at the same time, that is multitasking00:59
JaffaRST38h: Well, a jailbroken iPhone is running a Unix-like OS in which you can run some processes in the background. But foreground apps still will receive the "save & shutdown" signal on the user pressing the home button (or whatever it's called)00:59
lcukthe game engine is what you play all the time on these phones - its likely what fremantle will be, sure you might find a hack and get into the core machine00:59
Stskeepssisto: whywouldyouneed a touch screen on a .. NAS?00:59
r2d2rogersStskeeps: booted faster, testing now00:59
RST38hJaffa: Ok. What happens if I do not heed the signal then?00:59
sistoStskeeps: why not?00:59
r2d2rogersStskeeps: same behavior01:00
JaffaRST38h: Though I agree, Fremantle'll probably not meet expectations. Even Nokia have been trying to manage expectations of Fremantle by better pointing to Harmattan01:00
Stskeepssisto: why not pink ponies as well01:00
wazdI wish backward compatibility01:00
lcukbut the game engine says theres a set number of characters doing things, if you want to add more characters interacting with the main game you need to know how to reprogram the engine01:00
RST38hJaffa: Basically, by looking at my crystal balls (tm), I see three major snafus coming:01:00
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: alright, needed to get that out of the way01:00
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JaffaRST38h: I don't know what happens if you ignore the save signal; I'm not an iPhone dev. I expect you get killed. I really don't care enough to get into *another* semantic argument with you, this time about whether the iPhone can multitask. I know it can at the OS level. At the end-user level, you can't have multiple apps installed from the App Store running at the same time.01:01
lcukRST38h, imagine how difficult it would be to do extra special things in doom or something01:01
sistoStskeeps: it looks expensive (that nas)01:01
lcukie to show through your alarm clock01:01
Stskeepssisto: also, why 6 channel HD audio l.. in a NAT?!01:01
r2d2rogersStskeeps: anything else before I leave?01:01
RST38hJaffa: 1) Clutter being just another overblown graphics api, not delivering on expectations, 2) new tracker-based search indexer wasting battery and 3) more browser fun01:01
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: nah, i'm good for now01:02
sistoStskeeps: but it's eee branded, it's supposed to be cheapo01:02
RST38hJaffa: Would be interesting to see which of these will actually happen =)01:02
lcukRST38h, clutter is the base library, the ui interactions ontop can be anything the game engine developers wants it to be01:02
r2d2rogersHave a good weekend all <G>01:02
wazdc ya)01:03
lcuksisto, ive seen the eee tablet, its looking nice01:03
lcukcya r2d2rogers01:03
RST38hlcuk: Won't be very difficult, no more difficult than in other Unix like systems01:03
JaffaRST38h: I'd bet on things like Clutter and Tracker having such poor UIs built on top of them, that any benefits of the technology have some, err, barriers to overcome ;-)01:03
sistolcuk: you mean the 12 inch one? i think it runs linux though01:03
lcuknot difficult to jailbreak and run regular apps, you are right, but to run apps outside what the game engines rules01:03
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lcukmeans you cannot run the game01:04
RST38hJaffa: Tracker will probably cause problems in disk space, performance, and battery life department. The UIs to Tracker I have seen so far in Ubuntu are fine01:04
Robot101Jaffa: not only can user installed apps not multitask (after the save signal, then you get killed after 1 second anyway) but apple's built in stuff like the media player and email client leak like hell and leave very little memory for the user apps01:04
sistolcuk: i meant to say "i think it runs windows though"01:04
RST38hJaffa: But silently eating off 200MB of disk space for indices I will not forget :)01:04
lcuksisto, when i get one it will run liqbase :)01:04
JaffaRST38h: That's what /media/mmc3 will be for ;-)01:05
JaffaRobot101: lovely01:05
qwerty12_N800Robot101, leaking email client? i'd suspect that they've been stealing ideas of nokia :>01:05
RST38hJaffa: using perforated paper tape, no doubt? =)01:05
sistolcuk: hopefully they'll release it with linux also01:05
RST38hlcuk: I do not really understand what you mean by game engine: at some point iPhone should just give you a frame buffer pointer01:05
RST38hlcuk: After that you can couple with it any way you wish, from as many threads as you wish01:06
lcukwhy does it need to give you DMA access?01:06
lcukor rather bare pointer01:06
Robot101you don't build a UI /on/ clutter though, you build a UI /with/ clutter... like you might use X or cairo or gtk as parts of building a UI01:06
sistolcuk: does liqbase replace the OS on the tablet?01:07
lcukyes Robot101, you use clutter as your low level box/visualization manager01:07
sistolcuk: or does it run on top of linux?01:07
lcukno sisto, it runs ontop of linux :)01:07
RST38hlcuk: It is an ARM based gadget, so most likely you will get a pointer01:07
lcukRST38h, depends on the API01:07
RST38hlcuk: I can even predict what it will be, with some precision01:07
JaffaRobot101: except Nokia are talking about providing a way of integrating Clutter & Gtk in ways which (AFAICT) haven't been done before. But my concern in the UI is based on the general mishmash of concepts in diablo we see in Nokia-delivered applications :)01:07
lcukit might all be SDL like abstraction01:08
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sistothere's something wrong with this page:
sistoimages not showing up01:08
RST38hlcuk: At the bottom there is still hardware and it does have a frame buffer and it does have an address01:08
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lcuksisto, thats cos it never went live01:08
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sistois this you?
lcukyeah, but why does  the user app need to know it - do you think its gonna be accessible in webos?01:09
lcuka few of them resemble me yes :)01:09
Robot101Jaffa: well... will be interesting to see what they've come up with ;)01:09
RST38hJaffa: BTW, are there any news on the mail client in Fremantle? Does Modest stay?01:09
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JaffaRST38h: AFAICT, there's no-one working on Modest fulltime in development any more. Certainly not heard any noises about any development. None of the original dev team seem to be involved any more (which may, or may not, be a good thing ;-))01:10
JaffaOf course, with some more bug fixes and a fremantle-powered (scrollable) UI, it might be half decent.01:11
RST38hJaffa: It is weird because I can't imagine a tablet without a working mail client01:11
Robot101RST38h: I've not had trouble imagining it, I've got one in my bag...? :D01:11
JaffaNokia'd say: just use your browser. Same as you would for a calendar ;-)01:11
RST38hJaffa: Naah, the backend does not work well, no UI will fix that =(01:11
lcukin the same way theres a web engine in webkit, is there a core email framework available?01:11
lcuklol rst01:12
GeneralAntillesI like how the whole dev team just jettisoned as soon as it was out the door.01:12
Jaffalcuk: camel & evolution; perhaps. Which modest is using.01:12
JaffaGeneralAntilles: do we know if it was pushed or jumped?01:12
RST38hJaffa: If Khertan has his way, we may be able to do just that01:12
RST38hlcuk: Camel01:12
GeneralAntillesJaffa, the Diablo requirement didn't help thing.01:12
JaffaRST38h: ta01:12
JaffaGeneralAntilles: ah01:12
Robot101GeneralAntilles: which requirements?01:13
Robot101Jaffa: camel isn't that great a library, tinymail had to hack it very hard to get anywhere sensible, with mixed results01:13
sistolcuk: i'm watching your videos on youtube01:14
Robot101Jaffa: like diablo has evolution data server kinda tortured for the contacts app...01:14
GeneralAntillesRobot101, of shipping Modest with Diablo01:14
GeneralAntillesWhich meant to was very rushed.01:14
lcukheh :) i need to make a new one soon.  must finish this step off first01:14
RST38hThey could have kept the original mail client...01:14
GeneralAntillesBut I find it bizarre that the whole dev team left immediately after that rather than fixing the loose ends.01:14
JaffaRobot101: Mixed results indeed. So much effort went into tinymail to start with, modest doesn't feel like it had the same thoroughness.01:14
RST38hYes, it was basic, but it worked01:14
lcukis the original closed?01:15
JaffaNo, it was open.01:15
GeneralAntillesosso-email was closed.01:15
RST38hGeneral: Are those developers still alive? Anyone checked? =)01:15
lcukthen why cant it live on?01:15
RST38hNo mass suicide? =)01:15
Robot101GeneralAntilles: ah right. I think there was also personnel change (unrelated reasons I think) there which meant that there weren't people pushing it very hard after that01:15
JaffaGeneralAntilles: ah, of course. I get confused that things with osso- in the name could be closed ;-)01:15
lcukbut im meant to be gone now01:15
GeneralAntillesJaffa, well, at least it's dead now. ;)01:15
qwerty12_N800Some parts were open, some closed to my knowledge01:15
Robot101osso-email had some GPL backend based off sylpheed I thought, and closed UI01:15
RST38hbegone, lcuk!01:15
GeneralAntillesRST38h, djcb is on Planet every so often.01:15
RST38hGeneral: He may have been tasked with killing the rest!01:16
Robot101the modest folks at igalia are still alive, they're probably just buried under a different project now :)01:16
JaffaRobot101: correct. I tried poking around with various low-level Sylpheed settings to try and get it to be more sensible (e.g. quoting) to no success01:16
GeneralAntillessergio hangs out in here most of the time and I think he's one of the leaders for Modest these days.01:16
* RST38h sees an opportunity for a conspiracy theory here01:16
sistolcuk: it looks awesome... are you going to make a widget library with all that?01:16
RST38hRobot101: Is Modest source available somewhere? Is it buildable?01:17
sistoi bet all apps could benefit from your work01:17
Robot101RST38h: somewhere, yes. most probably... perhaps?01:17
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, it's always been open01:17
Robot101porting some light gtk client over might be less bad - claws or sylpheed itself...?01:17
RST38hRobot: Aha01:17
Robot101tbh I've ended up using mutt w/ ssh in times of desparation :O01:17
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RST38hRobot: ssh+pine here01:18
RST38hNo desperation at all, used to pine01:18
JaffaRobot101: I ported Sylpheed ages ago. Claws has hildon & maemo support upstream now.01:18
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Robot101Jaffa: nice, how does it work?01:18
JaffaI still think the UI is probably over complex (hitting small targets with a stylus on a train isn't fun)01:18
Robot101RST38h: I'm usually a thunderbird user, but HAHAHA for that on a tablet unfortunately01:18
Robot101Jaffa: hrm, I worked on a Psion Netbook Pro linux port and we patched up the sylpheed UI to be simpler01:19
Robot101Jaffa: I think teklogix lawyers are hiding behind every corner and looking for anyone who decides to try and, y'know, release any of the code we made :(01:19
Robot101we had a cool gpe desktop thing which was kinda like hildon before its time...01:20
woglindeRobot101 hehe you are at kernel concepts?01:20
Robot101woglinde: no, collabora01:20
Robot101woglinde: but at that time it was just an internship at aleph one near cambridge01:20
Robot101my first embedded linux project, cancelled on the day it was supposed to start production01:20
RST38hRobot: Somebody ran Thunderbird on the tablet. It ran.01:21
JaffaRobot101: Yeah, I know a few people who've got one of them but can't release any of the s/w :-(01:21
Robot101Jaffa: I lent mine to someone... I wonder if he still has it...01:21
RST38hRobot: Slowly though.01:21
Robot101RST38h: yeah... like the openoffice ARM port ran... :P01:22
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sistowhat browser does the n810 come with?01:22
Jaffapnaulls at his finest ;-)01:22
sistofrom manufacturer01:22
Jaffasisto: a Gecko-based browser, sometimes referred to as microb.01:22
sistoJaffa: thanks01:22
JaffaBut the UI is separate from the browser engine, and there's a webkit replacement engine you can hotswap between (still under development, and not quite suitable for end-users yet)01:23
RST38hGeneral: does not seem to offer latest source code, but digging around01:23
sistowebkit rocks for ajax stuff01:24
RST38hSVN is available but the last update happened 2 months ago01:24
Robot101our webkit eal stuff was rad01:24
Robot101pretty speedy compared to microb I think :)01:24
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JaffaRobot101: you seen pronvit's new webkit-eal?01:25
Robot101development of webkit gtk upstream is frustratingly slow01:25
Robot101we had someone working on it for months and finished in september, and loads of his patches are still awaiting review01:26
Robot101Jaffa: no, did it pick up from ours?01:26
Robot101(I dunno how useful that would be tbh, probably a lot of bitrot)01:26
RST38hModest Users mailing list died somewhere in August01:26
JaffaRobot101: Don't think so, think it was greenfield01:26
Robot101interestingly... where the hell did ours go?!01:27
* Robot101 pokes around on git.ccu01:27
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Robot101Jaffa: wow that loks pretty nice, got further than we did I think01:29
Robot101we got distracted hacking the engine tbh01:29
JaffaWebKit itself's probably a lot better since then (or certainly more compellingly different to Gecko)01:29
Robot101hey lets do scr... oh wait01:29
Robot101how about zo... oh wait01:29
Robot101file do... nope...01:29
Robot101webkit's codebase is cool compared to gecko01:30
Robot101but I think the community/process/etc around gecko is a lot more healthy01:30
Robot101which is ironic becuase its mad code and really hard to get stuff done in01:30
JaffaIsn't putting your head in a bucket of jam, then doing hand stands in the middle of a colony of soldier ants, more cool than Gecko's codebase01:30
JaffaGAN800: half-finished sentence in your post here
Robot101there we go01:32
Robot101page didn't load proerly01:32
Robot101god damn can't type either01:33
Robot101bad wireless :P01:33
* Robot101 goes to discuss the details with captain pillow01:33
Jaffag'night all01:34
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sistodoes nokia record these conversations? :P01:37
GeneralAntillesJaffa, lol, I do that a lot.01:37
Stskeepsthis channel is logged publically, yeah, sisto01:37
* GeneralAntilles jumps around a lot when writing stuff.01:38
sistoall my skin is peeling off from the sun01:39
Stskeeps.. sun?01:40
Stskeepswhere are you, africa?01:40
sistosouth america01:40
sistoi forgot to use sun lotion :P01:41
sistoi didn't think i would need it01:41
zeenixsisto: what did you do? :)01:41
RST38hOh well, SLEEP.01:41
sistozeenix: i went to the beach01:42
sistoRST38h: gnight! :)01:43
wazdcya RST38h01:43
wazdsisto: you can freely use sun loyion here in russia, we have mild -15 :)01:44
sistoyou need ice lotion01:45
wazdMore than that, you can go to Yakutsk01:46
wazdThey have chilly -43 now O_o01:46
wazdI suddenly realised that I haven't faced such low temperature in my whole life :)01:47
mavhc-43 kelvin?01:48
wazdyep :)01:48
sistomavhc: :P01:48
wazddamn, -43 C is extremly cold I guess01:49
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mavhcif you'd said -40 you'd be ok, unless I looked up weird scales on wikipedia01:51
sistowazd: yes... i think the lowest i had was close to -5 or -1001:51
sisto0 C = 32 F01:52
wazdThe lowest temperature in my life was about -35 C01:52
wazdWhen I was very young01:52
wazdBut -43 is trully hardcore01:53
ThatOneGuyI cannot for the life of me, get this kernel module to build. can anyone help me?01:53
sistothe only kernel module I ever built was ndiswrapper :P01:54
sistoand I only had to follow the howto01:55
woglindeThatOneGuy whats the problem?01:55
woglindeinstall sratchbox01:56
ThatOneGuygot that01:56
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woglindeupdate to the latest diablo rev01:56
woglindeinstall kernel-header-package01:56
ThatOneGuyIm not compiling for diablo01:56
ThatOneGuyIm trying to compile the rtl8187 module for my 770  lol01:56
ThatOneGuyI thought I had it at one point, but when I tried to insmod it all I got was that 'Invalid format' error02:00
ShadowJKheh, did you compile it on your PC?02:01
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ThatOneGuyI think I used the rx-34 kernel sources when it worked. I think that's the problem. but I can't get it to compile with the 2.6 source02:03
sistosorry i'm just asking out of curiosity... how do you compile arm stuff on the pc? you use a toolchain?02:04
Jaffasisto: Scratchbox, typically. Basically a chroot containing a cross-compiling toolchain02:05
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JaffaRight. Proper bed now.02:07
qwerty12_N800ThatOneGuy, rx-34 kernel sources are 2.602:08
woglindehi qwerty02:09
qwerty12_N800hey woglinde02:09
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ThatOneGuyoh, my bad. how can I fix that 'invalid format' error then?02:09
sistoThatOneGuy: so you get invalid format when you try to mod probe ?02:09
qwerty12_N800ThatOneGuy, what version is the kernel on your 770?02:10
ThatOneGuy2.6.16.27-omap1  says uname -r02:11
b-manqwerty12_N800: how long did it take to install ubuntu on your computer? because it's been 4 hours and it is still checking install files. :p02:11
qwerty12_N800b-man, on my newer one? 30 mins :D. On my old one, I never tried...02:11
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qwerty12_N800ThatOneGuy, what version is the kernel sources you are compiling against?02:12
* b-man shuld just give up and wait for his Dell Studio 15 :p02:12
sistoThatOneGuy: there's some stuff here you might want to read:
sistosearch for "invalid format"02:12
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ThatOneGuyqwerty, I'm not sure. I just got the rx-34 sources from the repo02:14
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qwerty12_N800what's the name of the tarball then?02:14
sistotehforum: hi02:15
ThatOneGuyit just says kernel-source-rx-3402:15
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* qwerty12_N800 can't help but have this feeling that you compiled x86 modules...02:17
ThatOneGuythey came from the bora repository02:17
b-manhi, tehforum :)02:18
tehforumhey, i think i saw you yesterday as well02:19
tehforumi'm just checking in02:19
* ShadowJK ponders02:19
tehforumi need to get a new battery cover for my n81002:19
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b-mantehforum: - hope this helps ;)02:22
ThatOneGuyqwerty12: would it help if I told you that the result of 'file r8187.ko' is '...ARM, version 1 (SYSV)...'  while the modules that come with maemo return '...ARM, version 1 (ARM)...'?02:22
qwerty12_N800probably not as the fuse module I have says sysv but I now know not to trust my feelings :)02:24
ThatOneGuybut thats for n800 right? so did I somehow compile my module for 800 instead of 770? lol02:24
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qwerty12_N800did you do a 'make nokia_n770_defconfig' in the source? is the module using that source to compile?02:26
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ThatOneGuynope, I dont think I did anything like that.02:26
ThatOneGuyI was following a guide for the 800 though, I couldnt find anything for 770 :s02:27
qwerty12_N800it's not nokia_n770_defconfig, not sure what it us. but doing that would help matters a lot.02:27
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: it's not nokia_n770_defconfig, not sure what it is. but doing that would help matters a lot.02:27
ThatOneGuythanks qwerty, I'm going to start over... again lol02:28
r2d2rogersThatOneGuy: I'm playing with Mer on my 770 now02:30
qwerty12_N800ahh, it's make n770_defconfig (thanks suihkulokki)02:31
r2d2rogersubuntu base for freemantle ideas backporting at this point02:31
infobotit has been said that mer is and
r2d2rogersmore for the N8x0's, but I'm getting help with trying it on a 770 too02:32
lcuktehforum, this is a replacement cover + extra big memory card adapter - its done by someone in the community so if you are looking to buy a replacement would be good place to start02:32
ThatOneGuyam I "make n770_defconfig"ing the kernel source?02:33
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ThatOneGuymkay, thanks02:33
Stskeepsi am gett02:34
qwerty12_N800it's also a nice idea to run make in it and let it churn out an kernel image, although i don't think you'll need to be flashing it02:34
Stskeepsstupid finger kbd02:34
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fireunwhere's my laser keyboard?!02:35
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fireunmistype and risk losing a fingertip02:36
lcuklasers should activate if the user browses to facebook02:36
fireunno, that'd be the neuralshock02:37
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Pioit seems stuck at 48%02:53
fireun48% neuroshock is the recomended level to start with02:54
fireunyou dont want to make jello!02:54
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lcukcurrently, if i want to do live direct instant dynamic audio i use the esound library.  does anyone know of a viable realtime modifyable audio subsystem which works on maemo02:58
lcukalternative ^02:59
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fireunI dont really think of maemo as realtime anything, IMHO02:59
lcukFireun :) then you haven't seen my work03:00
fireunI would guess not03:00
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lcuk my youtube videos show what ive been doing03:01
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fireunwhats your aim?03:02
fireunseems like a super remote kinda intent03:03
lcukpersonal, to lie back in bed and just doodle ideas and bring them to live :)03:03
pupnikdid any make usb audio drivers for maemo kernel?03:06
lcukpupnik :D you may be the person to answer my question ^^03:07
woglindepupnik hm shouldnt be maemo specific03:07
lcuki dunno03:07
pupnikwhat question03:07
pupnikand yes, lasers for facebook03:07
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lcukbut if i wanted to make my own tiny sound samples as part of the frame rendering and send them to the speakers quickly how would i do it03:07
pupnikbleeps and bloops?03:08
pupnikand clicks and swishes?03:08
lcukesound is laggy unless the sample sounds are over 1kb03:08
pupnikdid you ditch sdl?03:08
lcukalmost, fully dynamic though03:08
lcukmore real03:08
pupnikso synthesize them :)03:08
lcukjagernot almost got it working but it still glitches03:09
lcuki am03:09
pupnikok then constantly output a stream to esound03:09
lcuki can make it work but the mouse coords come in too often and it gets lag03:09
lcukso i lift off and it doesnt catch up with hand for a time03:10
lcuklike old slow refresh screen03:10
lcukif i set the sample size too low it doesnt run at all (i think) until esounds internal buffer reaches a threshhold03:10
woglindehm isnt esound dead03:10
lcukie sending 128bytes is useless because it wont do anything until it gets more data03:10
woglindeI hope with fremantle it will03:11
lcukwoglinde, im only using it because jagernot uses it to great effect in his boxar demo03:11
lcukits almost right for the dynamic stuff i wanna do03:11
lcuki wanted wind noises as we scroll things03:11
lcuksomeone mentioned flipping book pages whilst in the book reader03:12
lcukjust simple feedback :)03:12
lcukpupnik, have you seen boxar?03:13
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pupnikno whagt's boxar03:16
lcukits like pyano on steroids :)03:21
lcukvery dynamic and attractive03:21
lcukwoglinde, what sound library should i use?  can you show me a small example of sending a manually created buffer over :$03:26
woglindelcuk nope03:27
woglindesound is not my special thing03:27
lcuknow mine, i just want a blank canvas and see whether i can paint a picture for your ears03:28
lcuknot mine ^03:28
wazdViewSonic VieBook03:32
wazdlol, this name would definetely be banned in Russia :D03:32
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pupniklooks neat lcuk04:47
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fifihola? ._.04:58
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sistofifi: hola05:04
fifialguien por fin05:04
fifiy sisto eres chico o chica?05:05
fifisorry por la pregunta es ke yo tenia de nombre ceferino05:07
fifino se a kien  rayos se le ocurrio ese nombre05:07
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monkeyiqhi, anyone had a problem where the power and menu button stop working on an n810?05:27
GeneralAntillespower, yes, menu, no.05:28
GeneralAntillesAre they totally dead, or just inconsistent?05:28
monkeyiqthey do nothing, but the device makes a button click sound05:28
monkeyiqI noticed it happen on a chinook device and now one with the latest diablo05:29
GeneralAntillesdid you install something?05:29
GeneralAntillesLike powerlaunch05:29
monkeyiqthe only hint I have is that I started using modest on the chinook one and just setup email on the diablo one last night05:30
monkeyiqso maybe modest has done something05:30
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monkeyiqI have personalmenus installed on both, I'll have to check out powerlaunch05:30
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monkeyiqits going to be *really* annoying to reflash (as the last resort) because I've just spent a few days making the diablo one setup nicely.05:31
monkeyiqdid you manage to fix your problem with the power button?05:32
GeneralAntillesIt was intermittent05:32
GeneralAntillesmce behaving badly, I think05:32
GeneralAntillesNever bothered to track down the issue once it went away.05:32
* monkeyiq thinks about trying to compile xev for the n81005:32
monkeyiqI was hoping to just clone the new diablo to the chinook machine to try to get around the problem. but as the diablo one is now doing the same thing :(05:33
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monkeyiqon a related note, I noticed a little while ago that the diablo one is not dimming its display anymore either05:35
monkeyiqwhich is how I noticed that the power button doesn't work (trying to lock the keypad)05:36
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monkeyiqI much preferred the previous battle of getting the native gnomevfs obex to mount through FUSE05:37
monkeyiqatleast it was closer to my home turf05:37
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monkeyiqkind of sad that you can get at a phone over obex through bt in the file manager, but canola/kagu are blocked from it.05:40
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monkeyiqit seems that obexftp doesn't like working natively, so I'm trying to get the gnomevfs stuff that comes with the device to loop through FUSE05:40
monkeyiqok, luckily I think I stubled on what was blocking the buttons!05:41
* monkeyiq tests again05:41
monkeyiqyep, seems to be it, trying to autostart e-calendar and e-addressbook at boot05:43
monkeyiqI don't know why but they were stopping the buttons from doing their thing05:43
monkeyiqso I'll have to tweak how those get started, because I want scheduled syncevolution to work if the device is up05:46
* monkeyiq dances around in joy at having solved the strange power button issue!05:47
monkeyiqshame its gnomevfs and not gio based bluetooth...05:49
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Macerguess kde is the best solution for real world use of my n80006:27
Macersure wish some of the apps were haxored tho.. as to fit within the screen06:27
Macerbut they are usually settings screens.. once you get done with htem then they are pointless for quite  awhile06:28
Macerit has koffice and prints with cups...i can eliminate my laptop06:28
pupnikyou use a mouse with your N800 in te 'real world' then macer?06:46
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alex_mayorgaAnyone knows if Palm's webOS would run under maemo?07:12
johnxnot unless they open source it and someone ports it07:12
alex_mayorgaOk so it's not like garnet, then?07:13
johnxwell, Access has the rights to the old PalmOS. That's why have the knowledge and the legal ability to distribute GarnetVM07:14
johnxAnd the reason Garnet works so quickly on our hardware is that it's really emulating a 20+ year old chip07:14
johnxWebOS probably needs nothing less than an OMAP3 to be fast, so emulating it would be (just a guess here) 24x slower than real time07:15
alex_mayorgaWell, I've just got my n800 this Christmas, can somebody point me to the must haves for now? Thanks in advance07:15
johnxcanola2 + youtube plugin, FBReader, xchat, maemo mapper, quicknote, xarchiver07:16
johnxand cbrpager if you want to read scanned comic books07:17
pupnikdoes cbrpager decompress the entire book first?  or is seeking possible within zip/rar?07:17
johnxpupnik, it seems to decompress a page at a time, into memory, not somewhere on the fs07:17
pupnikoh nice07:17
johnxit even scrolls nicely with the latest xserver updates07:18
alex_mayorgaThanks guys07:18
pupnik'comix' unpacks the entire archive into /tmp first07:18
pupnikok, thanks.07:18
johnxalex_mayorga, the real first thing is to make sure your software is up to date :)07:18
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pupniki like 'quiver' for image viewing07:18
alex_mayorgaOs2008 you mean?07:18
johnxalex_mayorga, but the latest update to OS2008 :)07:19
johnxif you have your tablet in front of you what does system -> control panel -> about product say for the version?07:19
pupnikomg, evince is *so* much faster starting up than kpdf07:21
pupnik20-30x on this box07:21
johnxalex_mayorga, yup. that's the latest. just making sure :)07:22
alex_mayorgaI'm here on pidgin on the tablwt :)07:22
johnxah, then your first step is xchat :)07:22
alex_mayorgaOk, it's sleepy time now so I'll check it out tomorrow07:23
alex_mayorgaHope you wont mind me asking newbie questions all over :D07:24
johnxnah, go for it :)07:24
johnxgenerally a pretty friendly channel. just be sure to do some reading too :)07:24
alex_mayorgaThanks you're real nice, see you around then, bye now07:25
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rm_you hrmrm07:35
* rm_you dies for another week07:35
johnxpoke rm_you07:36
johnxinfobot, poke rm_you07:36
* infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind rm_you, pokes rm_you repeatedly, hilarity ensues.07:36
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doc|homeis canola broken? not really updating its media library for audio files for me even though I've said to look at both cards09:54
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pupniksony displayed rollable/flexible OLEDs at CES 200911:00
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RzRsomeone called me ?11:22
RST38hehlo Sts11:22
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StskeepsRzR: think it was r2d2rogers last night about mer on 77011:23
Stskeepsmorning RST38h11:23
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StskeepsRST38h: so seems like there's 24/32 bit work being done for sapwood :)11:24
RzRok i'll find him11:24
RzRthx Stskeeps11:24
RzRare u guys going to fosdem ?11:24
RzRi plan to11:24
Stskeepsi'm personally not11:25
Stskeepshoping to go to next maemo summit when that time is though11:25
Stskeepsalso, i'm willing to bet i'll get in a fist fight if i get drunk and start discussing GPL..11:26
Stskeepswhich probably isn't a good thing :)11:26
* Stskeeps eats his breakfast11:27
RST38hSts: Weird, does it mean they are gonna used 24bpp LCD?11:34
StskeepsRST38h: not sure really, just weird work started on it11:34
StskeepsRGBA code is there at least11:35
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qwerty12Stskeeps, standard, stock kernel that boots from rootfs is in my webspace for mer @ tspre11:49
zetheroois it possible to share folders on the N810 over the network?11:49
Stskeepsqwerty12: thanks, zImage?11:49
qwerty12Stskeeps, yep & a very tiny patch for reference11:50
qwerty12np :)11:50
zetheroois file and folder sharing on the N810 possible?11:51
Stskeepswill you kill me if i ask for a init=/sbin/tablet.startup or something like that?, qwerty12?11:51
Stskeepswill make me able to have all three modes in same jffs2 image so11:51
Stskeepser, init=/sbin/init.tablet11:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, nope because most objects are compiled and it should take less than a minute to make a new kernel with the already compiled objects (barring the cmdline change) :D11:52
Stskeepsalright, ta11:52
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Stskeepsthat means i'll be able to make N800 tar.gz, .zImage & .jffs2 and a 770 tar.gz using imager now :)11:55
qwerty12wicked :)11:55
Stskeepsso what happened when you tried to boot maemo? mayhem?11:56
qwerty12I saw the bar so I knew it was booting from rootfs as fb-progress is not in initfs and the bar got to the end, it didn't show the nokia splash and shut off :P11:58
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* Stskeeps ponders idly what went wrong in last xchat compile attempt12:07
qwerty12Jaiku not posting "build xchat"? :P12:08
qwerty12Anyway, you're welcome to tinker with it to get it to compile :P12:08
Stskeepsi was more curious about the Failed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch12:09
qwerty12Ah, that was laziness on my part12:09
Stskeepsand it posts it if you do build xchat (random ext)12:09
Stskeepsbuilding it12:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah, I know - jaiku or my firefox was fucking about12:09
Stskeepsjaiku :P12:10
qwerty12Don't think jaiku likes "build xchat" being written so much times :-)12:10
Stskeepswhich is why we add the ()'s :)(12:10
qwerty12Ah, the builder ignores extra symbols?12:10
Stskeepsit understands build package=version, and ignores the rest12:11
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qwerty12Wicked, I thought I'd caused it to build multiple times by hammering jaiku with build xchat, build xchat... :P12:12
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RST38hSts: Would be a major problem if they switched to 24bpp though12:12
RST38hAbout twice as much time will be needed to transfer images12:13
Stskeepsor just supporting those archs in sapwood12:14
qwerty12fuck, if you autogen xchat, make sure that it doesn't remove any of the modfications^H^H^H^Hhacks to get it to compile cleanly under mer sdk12:16
Stskeepswhich hacks, btw?12:18
qwerty12I wish I could say that I remembered :/ - I think to the files in the po folder mainly12:18
* Stskeeps is looking a bit at the build12:18
qwerty12Then again, I don't think autogen touches makefile.am12:19
GeneralAntillesClutter had some 16bpp patches12:22
GeneralAntillesIt wont be 24bpp12:22
Stskeepsk, got it to build - when you upload the source package, don't include ./configure12:22
Stskeepsthen it will build sanely12:22
Stskeepsas it will run then12:22
Stskeepsremove the libtoolize --force thing again12:22
Stskeepsalso, depend on automake1.912:22
qwerty12Hrm, I remember depending on autotools-dev - what automake version is in that?12:23
StskeepsThis package installs an up-to-date (from CVS) version of config.guess and config.sub, used by the automake and libtool packages. It provides the canonical copy of those files for other packages as well.12:23
Stskeepsbut yeah, those fixes fix it12:24
qwerty12Hah, thanks, I'll remember that12:24
Stskeepsautomake1.10 is ok too12:24
qwerty12Hrm, I thought you built it already. Want me to send another source package?12:25
Stskeepsyeah, i just chrooted to the builder instance directory and tried to see what would be needed to build12:25
Stskeepscleaning out the failed builds, sec12:26
Stskeepsbasically when a build fails i leave the corpse of the build on the disk so we can go in and see why it failed12:27
Stskeeps(on x86)12:27
qwerty12CSI : Mer12:27
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Stskeepsthere, all clear12:27
qwerty12ok, lemme fix it up :)12:28
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Stskeepsah, no wonder i thought this jffs thing was a little too small, didnt finish running yet :P12:35
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qwerty12My jffs2 image was 139MB :P12:35
qwerty12After sumtooling it, it became 14612:36
qwerty12morning Jaffa12:36
Stskeepsyou must really admire nokia developers at times12:37
Stskeepsi mean, 770 with 128mb flash..12:37
Stskeepsno wonder they had to shrink things that much12:37
lcukmorning jaffa12:38
lcuksts/qwerty/everyone :)12:38
mavhcas memory prices drop so fast it's daft to make any part non changable12:38
qwerty12hi lcuk :)12:38
qwerty12Stskeeps, yay! :)12:39
lcukmavhc, but having it changable changes what you can reasonably expect to exist12:39
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Stskeepsqwerty12: woo!, now let's see if it passes the big door :P12:41
qwerty12hehe :P12:41
* qwerty12 wishes I had been first with uploading xchat to extras, I'd have made the locale packages into one package like I've done with the Mer build :/12:42
Stskeepsi'm reading a research paper on IM/SMS and such.. 'For example, in 1929, ... reported that the telephone and the depersonalized communications it offered were in part responsible for the increased sexual liberation of teeagers"12:42
lcukit was all that button humping on the morse key12:43
mavhcdidn't socrates say "kids today are much worse than my generation"?12:45
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Stskeepsqwerty12: i wonder what we have to do to provide let's say a vmware image too :P12:46
Stskeepsit's fairly easy to make things bootable on x86 so12:47
Stskeeps(install grub, :P)12:47
Stskeepsand a kernel image12:47
* Stskeeps tails the build log12:50
lcuki would hope its still sane enough to allow me to do full dev12:50
Stskeepsqwerty12: log for you12:51
qwerty12Yep, saw the error12:51
qwerty12that was one of my hacks :>12:51
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Stskeepslcuk: ctrl-alt-f1 and logging in is a godsend12:52
Stskeeps(i work with it at work)12:52
lcukthe key combination, it does nothing12:52
Stskeepson linux it sure does :P12:52
lcuk(on windows :D)12:52
Stskeepswe actually use mer full time at work, heh12:52
Stskeepsnot always with hildon on, but we use it :P12:53
lcukwhich WM do you use12:53
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qwerty12Stskeeps, actually, that makes me wonder, can you chvt in mer without insmodding bitblit, fbcon etc12:53
lcukand the building of required debs is getting easier i gather12:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: well right now we have all those laoded12:54
qwerty12Stskeeps, wicked, I don't care if they are loaded, I mean without with me insmodding them :P :)12:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: we have fbcon on automatically, so :P12:54
qwerty12Yeah, gathered when I saw it booting up :)12:55
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lcukStskeeps, which systems do you run mer on then, x86?omap3?800s?13:02
JaffaStskeeps: do you work on mer at work,then?13:04
StskeepsJaffa: yeah13:04
StskeepsJaffa: it's actually part of my job description currently, we don't use all parts, but some stuff13:04
Stskeepslcuk: x86 atm13:04
StskeepsJaffa: (and yes, i have an agreement to open source any non-healthcare related work, so)13:05
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Stskeepsit's mostly about creating systems that easily can be adapted to both desktop/set top boxes and to mobile devices13:06
Stskeepsso if we have some omap board or a n8x0 tablet, we can put our pervasive healthcare systems on top of it13:07
lcukheh, even if it was to do with picking fruit you wouldv found some way to involve your nokias :P13:07
Stskeepsprobably, yeah13:07
Stskeepsthey get someone who's been playing with unix since he was 8 and knows how solve problems, i get to play with what i like to do :)13:07
lcukahhh Stskeeps , i didnt think qwerty worked for your company as well13:08
Stskeepsif i had a company, i'd hire qwerty12 :P13:08
lcuk"ub3r haxx0r"13:08
qwerty12Stop that, you're making me blush :P13:09
* lcuk shows qwerty page 49 from the IBM server catalogue13:09
StskeepsJaffa: due to the close connection to our mobility group at uni i can get nokia devices for experimentation if i need them, they have a forum nokia contact/sponsorship thing, so :P13:10
qwerty12lcuk, I don't have the catalogue :D13:10
Stskeeps( )13:11
qwerty12There's some cool projects there13:13
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Stskeepsyeah, it's really a vibrant environment to be in13:14
Stskeepsbut from september that's probably over with for now, so i need to find other employment at that point13:14
Stskeeps(as i graduate there)13:15
* RST38h has to install fortune cookie database at Komkon13:16
lcukbefore september then maybe sure you commit yourself to svn13:16
lcukwe wanna be able to restore you and carry on the good stuff13:16
RST38hit had a nice quote about the nature of graduation13:16
aquatixRST38h: ah?13:16
aquatixmorning all btw13:16
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pupnikStskeeps: get another degree13:30
pupnikheh nm me13:30
pupnikgood day all13:30
Stskeepspupnik: i think i'll be more than happy with my masters for now.. and there's the possibility of moving to another country with the gf, so13:31
lcukheh, somehow i imagine sts getting enough degrees till hes a full circle13:31
Stskeepsnot with being so school tired..13:31
lcukwho wants a brew?13:32
* aquatix is tired of `school' too13:33
aquatixlcuk: memememe! :)13:33
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* aquatix passes around some too13:33
lcukok aquatix, but umm you have to go to the shop and get some milk :P :D13:35
lcukahhh no, tis ok the milkmans been13:36
aquatixalready went to the shop13:36
aquatixah :)13:36
lcukour milkman is great, he will basically deliver anything on his round13:37
qwerty12We don't even have a milkman here :/. Think all the supermarkets cost them out of a job :/13:37
lcukbut i feel uncomfortable having him bringing bacon and eggs and leaving them on the step13:37
lcukheh qwerty12 :) its upto the local community to keep the community alive13:37
lcuksupport local services and shops more than large chains :)13:38
qwerty12lcuk, heh, too late for that here :/. There's an decent sized Tesco not far from me at all and it's always busy13:38
lcukyeah, we just had a morrisons open right near work and its always full, but what about the small local shops which were around.  i make sure i still shop there :)13:39
qwerty12Yeah, we have a food store that's from the corner from us - we sometimes go there if we need something quickly but Tesco being big and all does tend to be cheaper :)13:40
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lcukyeah thats a given, we do big shops in asda etc ourselves13:41
lcukand qwerty12 sometimes being cheaper isnt always the best thing, i specifically bought xmas cards from local newsagents - primarily because that newsagent pays lukes wages (for his paper round)13:42
qwerty12true, true but I don't have any special obligation to shop in a local store13:43
lcuknot now maybe, but if they all closed down cos they had no business it wouldnt help you in future13:44
qwerty12Ah, not likely to happen anytime soon :). I live near the always busy Green Street13:45
qwerty12Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all13:47
qwerty12s/sure/sure if/13:47
infobotqwerty12 meant: Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure if the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all13:47
lcukjesus i bet13:47
lcukwouldnt it be cool if asda would move their shelves twice a week and let the traders in with their original real stalls :D13:48
qwerty12hehe :D13:48
lcukbest of both worlds :)13:48
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lcukhiya roope13:50
roopeHi lcuk. :)13:50
lcukqwerty12, any idea how i make a tiny script to change my directory, ive been sick of typing "cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld" everytime i open a console..13:51
qwerty12You could use an alias13:51
Stskeepslcuk: alias probably will do the trick13:51
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qwerty12alias liqbasedir="cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld"13:52
qwerty12Shove it in your ~/.profile to make it automatically set that alias each time you open a terminal13:53
lcukand then i just type that instead :D cool thanks13:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: hmm, how outdated is the last known open source browser ui, btw?13:53
qwerty12Stskeeps, I don't think it's ever been open sourced. The newest one will be the fremantle one13:54
alteregow00t, my new TV has arrived :)13:54
Stskeepsi wonder what is13:55
lcukNokia-N810-23-14:~# gotoliqbase13:55
lcukthanks qwerty13:55
qwerty12np :D13:55
lcukshame it doesnt come up in autocomplete :P13:55
qwerty12Blame it on ash :P13:56
qwerty12bash shows it13:56
lcuki tried all different ways (including once almost screwing up everything by setting a symlink from /dev..13:56
* Stskeeps ponders idly13:56
lcukroope, are you the roope we know?13:56
roopeYes, the Nokia Roope. :)13:56
roopeJust popping in to check out the channel.13:57
roopeHaven't been here for a while.13:57
lcukheh yeah we dont see you often13:57
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lcukhow was your xmas and new year?13:57
roopeWork is keeping us busy. Which is a good thing, I guess. :)13:57
roopeToo short, as usual. :) How about you?13:58
lcukheh, some of us have 2 fulltime jobs :) :S13:58
lcukits good, im a bit behind personal schedule but things are looking nice13:58
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zap_RST38h: hi! does your calculator implement factorial? I can't find it13:59
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jakemaheumorning all14:48
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* pupnik wants monitors to be 3D already15:05
pupniklike that zalman with alternate-polarity lines15:05
towoI'd rather have full immersive AR.15:15
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rZrtalking about AR projects ?15:32
rZrAR on handset is fun15:32
rZri hacked a bit on this lately15:32
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StskeepsAR? augmented reality?15:33
rZryes diminished virtuality15:34
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lcuki want a truly 2d monitor. so thin it will slice your fingers off if you try to pick it up15:49
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lcukqwerty12_N800, you know how you made me an alias, can i do the same for all my code?15:50
qwerty12_N800and then smashes as it drops :)15:50
lcukof course it wouldnt smash, it would simply pass through the earth15:50
qwerty12_N800lcuk, hmm, to run shell commands? yes15:51
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: lcuk, hmm, to run  commands? yes15:51
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lcukthats actually a really nice thing, ive just made "goliqbase" and it gets me to where i need quickly - in the long run i will have to move to developing on a more stable platform15:52
lcukwhere i can (i think) just reconnect to an existing session15:52
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: along with xchat, can you make a base64 metapackage (depending on coreutils too) when you're back at your desktop?15:55
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yes, i forgot about that one :/15:55
Stskeepshehe, no need to be :/ about that15:56
Stskeepsi had totally forgotten about it too :)15:56
Stskeepswe're getting closer to a point where we can basically just add updates repository from nokia :P15:56
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Stskeepsand apt-get install some stuff15:56
* qwerty12_N800 has a wide grin on his face after hearing that :) 15:57
* lcuk agrees15:57
* qwerty12_N800 sets mode +verruca salt15:58
qwerty12_N800I WANT WIFI WITH WPA :p15:58
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: only problem is bashisms in ICD etc15:58
qwerty12_N800bashisms? busybox uses ash15:58
Stskeepssatashisms them15:59
Stskeepsit has statements like if [ x == y ]15:59
Stskeepswhich breaks things15:59
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slonopotamusoh my16:31
slonopotamusi've done something strange ;)16:31
slonopotamusmy gentoo cross-built chroot seems to be runnng on tablet16:32
slonopotamussyncing porttage tree right now16:33
slonopotamusdidn't make native rwbuikd yet16:33
slonopotamus-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp16:34
lcukeven though you started it in 2005 :P16:34
qwerty12_N800hehe :p16:34
slonopotamusuh? ;)16:34
slonopotamusit's not gentoo fault16:34
slonopotamusand not mine16:35
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lcukof course its not, im ribbing you but at same time am impressed16:35
slonopotamusmany cross-build-unfriendly packages16:35
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qwerty12_N800I think he's referring to the time you'll have to wait to compile a program to run it - or if not, that's what i'm laughing at ;)16:36
slonopotamusfirst they ignore you... ;)16:36
lcukslonopotamus, if anyone has been working for a long time on a labour of love its me :)16:36
slonopotamusplanning to publish howto on building cross-image16:37
qwerty12_N800...then they get their glocks and shoot you16:37
slonopotamusand image itself after native rebuild16:37
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lcukits hard work turning an ugly hack into a polished usable api16:37
lcukim still not sure ive done it right, but im trying anyway :)16:37
slonopotamuslcuk, what are you referring as ugly hack to?16:38
lcukmy liqbase :)16:38
slonopotamuscould you rename it?16:38
slonopotamusi always read it as liBqbase16:39
lcukwell you will get even worse: ive written libliqbase ;)16:39
lcuk:D yeah i know, it hurt my head as well, but i like the core name now and to rename it would be bad.  anyway its only the core low level stuff, lots of things will go ontop of it with their own names16:40
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slonopotamusso... place your bets whether it will manage to rebuuild natively frrom the first pass16:43
Stskeepshehe, we'll see i guess16:44
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jakemaheu~seen solca16:45
infobotsolca is currently on #maemo (3d 3h 11m 15s), last said: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'.16:45
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: we're also pushing at the moment btw (the first request thing)16:48
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slonopotamusi still don't understand16:52
slonopotamusinitfs is _already_ on tablet16:52
slonopotamususe stuff from it and be happy16:53
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yeah, but imagine you'd want to distribute a initfs with bootmenu already included, for instance16:53
Stskeepsi guess it makes more sense for those of us who wants to tinker in initfs16:53
slonopotamusbuild script that takes initfs, hacks it and flashes back16:54
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slonopotamusyou'll need to use flasher anyway16:54
Stskeepsafternoon wazd16:54
slonopotamusahha. you need to put your initfs on tablet somehow ;) so you'll have some script that'll call flasher16:55
Stskeepswell, the final idea is to be able to provide a full FIASCO image16:56
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Stskeepsfull as in initfs, rootfs, kernel16:56
Stskeepsi guess it's a bit contrary to the gentoo idea :)16:56
slonopotamusthat's tooo binary for me ;)16:59
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wazdHello everybody)17:06
wazdgoogle has changed its favicon again17:07
wazdI think they have nothing to do really)17:07
housetierthey are desperate to stay in the headlines17:07
jakemaheui saw that17:12
jakemaheui though wtf when i saw it tho17:12
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* Stskeeps notes h-a-m doesn't compile in Mer, at all, nor the fremantle version17:19
Stskeepsi should prod m-vo next time he's around17:19
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Meizirkkithe new libhildonfm (whatever it's called) has kinetic scrolling but looks weird17:20
Meizirkkiin Mer17:20
Stskeepsyeah, cos of our auto updates17:20
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wazddamn ISP17:21
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qwerty12_N800hah, my isp is decent but my router not...17:22
jakemaheudanm xchat17:22
jakemaheuwho do you use?17:22
jakemaheui use *shudder* comcaST17:22
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qwerty12_N800I'm on Be/O2 UK's broadband. My sister has a mobile phone contract with them so the broadband is cheaper :p17:23
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jakemaheui wantverizon fios17:26
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jakemaheu5mb up/20mb down for $50/month17:27
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: hmm. osso-xterm crashes in some termcap thing17:28
qwerty12_N800ooh, any idea of what it is trying to do?17:29
wazdStskeeps: I'm working on Mer wallpaper now, as promissed :)17:33
Stskeepsalright :)17:34
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i really wonder if it would just be better to upgrade libvte..17:35
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, it would be :), while it's nice having maemo components, I don't agree with using old libraries from maemo - especially one that is used by one app...17:37
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i really think it borders on glib/gtk changes so17:40
jakemaheuis there an open-source flasher for windows?17:40
Stskeepsmaybe 0xFFFF, but not sure if its for windows17:42
Gadgetoidlcuk lives!17:42
qwerty12_N800nay, 0xffff crashes when ran under windows. You can flash the kernel from the tablet itself17:42
lcukwhen did i die?17:42
slonopotamusfix: you can crash the kernel from the tablet itself17:43
* lcuk didnt get the memo17:43
GadgetoidI don't know, I just haven't been here since I sent back the N810 to nokia17:43
qwerty12_N800jakemaheu, But if this is for your guide, give a warning that you can't flash from android...17:43
jakemaheuwell, kinda17:43
GadgetoidI never did manage to figure out how to use the N810 phone17:43
jakemaheui can't remember whre i put my ubuntop17:44
jakemaheuit's the only other thing that run a type of linux17:44
qwerty12_N800Gadgetoid, serious or sarcasm?17:44
GadgetoidSarcasm, sorry :)17:44
* aquatix wouldn't mind to have a maemo phone17:44
qwerty12_N800Sorry, that's me :)17:44
jakemaheudoes anyone here have one of those dealextreme usb charging cables?17:44
jakemaheui ordered one and it shipped yesterday17:45
slonopotamusopenpty failed: 'out of pty devices'  from chroot.  anybody knows what to do with it? google doesn't say anything meaningful17:45
GadgetoidIf you can put Android on the N800, can't you put Maemo on the G1?17:45
GadgetoidYou're clearly not trying hard enough!17:45
infobot2009.01.10 15:46:36 GMT17:46
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jakemaheuthanks, infobot!17:46
RST38hslnopotamus: create more /dev/pty* devices17:46
slonopotamusoh my... it builds! it builds!17:46
jakemaheumy cable should be here in a few days17:46
lcuki agree with that Gadgetoid, Mer should be ported to g1, iphone, wii and anything else with a cpu and touchscreen ;)17:47
RST38hslonopotamus: although I suggest to check what is wrong instead =)17:47
jakemaheuwhat builds, what builds?17:47
Stskeepsslonopotamus: missing dev/pts?17:47
jakemaheuthe wii has a touchscreen?17:47
qwerty12_N800slonopotamus, echo 666 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max :p i think17:47
lcukok, anything that doesnt use a mouse ;)17:47
RST38hlcuk: Maybe it should be advanced to the point where it can replace official tablet firmware first? =)17:47
slonopotamusnot so fast ;)17:47
GadgetoidI love my iPhone, but it's not linuxey enough17:47
jakemaheulaptops don't use mice17:47
slonopotamusjakemaheu, gentoo on n80017:47
lcuk /ignore Gadgetoid17:47
lcukjakemaheu, touchscreen laptops even dont use touchscreen properly :)17:48
GadgetoidWhoops, bad idea to let on that I own a satanPhone17:48
jakemaheui use a touchscreen toughbook17:48
slonopotamusdev/pts is empty17:48
* qwerty12_N800 adds Gadgetoid to Maemo's hit list :p17:48
RST38hGadgetoid: In what pose do you usually love your iPhone? =)17:48
lcukdont you find it annoying to have to aim for tiny little scrollbars and stuff?17:48
jakemaheuit actually works pretty well, but there isn't any scrolling17:48
jakemaheumoving is a pain, as it only recognizes clicks17:49
lcukjakemaheu, the ui is mouse oriented17:49
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slonopotamusn800 has only /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/117:49
jakemaheuit' actually pretty good17:49
lcukliqbase runs nicely on my big tablet :)17:49
GadgetoidRST38h: the Phone is very secretive about its exploits in the bedroom, I couldn't possibly tell!17:49
lcuklinux :)17:49
Gadgetoid"Tablet Windows" is an oxymoron17:49
jakemaheudon't worry, i use an ubuntop17:49
GadgetoidUnless you're referring to the neccesity of headache tablets to the task of enduring windows17:50
jakemaheulol i haven't touched my tablet in a week17:50
jakemaheui just got it back17:50
jakemaheunope, mom17:51
* aquatix loves windows17:51
RST38hconfiscated your beloved tablet?17:51
aquatixthey provide a nice view generally17:51
aquatixand fresh air when needed17:51
RST38haquatix: same question as for gadgetoid17:51
aquatixRST38h: hm?17:51
jakemaheu /ignore *17:51
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jakemaheuhey qwerty!17:52
aquatixRST38h: if people start confiscating my stuff, persons will get hurt :)17:52
qwerty12jakemaheu, hi :P :)17:52
jakemaheui hate typing on my dad's netbook (it's what i'm on now)17:52
lcukGadgetoid, since you remember me and my stuff, get voting for it :P
jakemaheuhas anyone tried the new script for nitdroid?17:52
lcuki hadnt released anything last time you were here i dont think17:52
Gadgetoidlcuk: You're an oblong genius with lasers!17:53
jakemaheuit's a public beta17:53
GadgetoidI wish I had an N800 right now17:53
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lcuki mounted the last laser i owned directly onto that cat, it kept me entertained for hours17:53
lcuki had to modify the shark mount to get it to work correctly17:54
qwerty12Stskeeps, Fixing xchat package. This should be the last version that I send or i'll add you to my own hit list :P17:54
jakemaheulol infinite recursion-- cat edition17:54
GadgetoidThe rate the Pandora is going, the N800 temptation just keeps on rising17:54
jakemaheushark + cat +frickin laser beams17:55
aquatixlcuk: now there's an idea17:55
lcukit was difficult getting the cat used to wearing a mask and snorkel17:55
jakemaheui wish app manager wouldn't create an extras entry in my menu every effing time i try to install something17:56
jakemaheui put in custom categories for a reason17:56
lcukhint :: rename extras instead of removing it17:56
jakemaheuwhat do you mean?17:57
lcuknew stuff goes into the renamed entry instead of recreating it17:57
qwerty12But not every app asks you where the menu entry wants to go and the entry has to go somewhere ;)17:57
jakemaheuthat is what really bugs me17:57
lcukmine is called "extras + games"17:57
jakemaheui've got: internet, communication, utilities, settings, media, games17:57
qwerty12Blame it on the package maintainer, I always make sure that any packages I put out ask the user where the desktop file wants to go17:57
jakemaheuand i don't have to scroll17:57
lcukqwerty fuck you and your packaging :P17:58
jakemaheuthen it adds extras and i do17:58
jakemaheui've got liqbase in media17:58
aquatixjakemaheu: you nuked the `my selection' one?17:58
aquatixgood idea17:58
jakemaheuthat was stupid17:58
lcukive got ideas about "My selection"17:58
jakemaheuto have it17:58
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slonopotamusaaargh! it works! it builds!17:59
aquatixquick, kill it17:59
jakemaheuit better not create an extras entry17:59
* Stskeeps pushes a congratulatory vodka bottle over to slonopotamus 17:59
lcukjakemaheu, i was playing with the menus
lcukslonopotamus, SHIP IT!17:59
jakemaheuoh boy17:59
slonopotamusmy n8x0-gentoo has just built its first package! it works! damn, that's better than sex17:59
aquatixlcuk: another great idea ;)17:59
lcukshame i got told off for recreating the desktop :$18:00
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aquatixlcuk: :)18:00
GadgetoidWhy would you put gentoo on an n8x0, when you can use ZipSlack?18:00
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slonopotamuswtf is zipslack?18:00
aquatixlcuk: i don't like the icons on the `desktop', but the menu items on the left sound sensible18:00
StskeepsGadgetoid: not sure that's out for eabi18:00
aquatixoh wait18:01
aquatixare those the menu's?18:01
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aquatixlcuk: how exactly does that work? :)18:01
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lcukaquatix, i dont either, but as a menu it might work, the "desktop" area should be for whatever widgets the user wants18:01
Gadgetoidslonopotam: Google is your friend :)18:01
qwerty12lcuk, hater :P18:01
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jakemaheuthe thing is that even if it asks you where to put it, it still creates the empty category18:02
slonopotamusi can use your zipslack on the go18:02
lcukaquatix, you have seen the phyiscs view :: very dynamic resizing of elements.  clicking a menu header dynamically expands the items in that group for easy finger use whilst simply reducing the others - all still accessible but the others are also still available18:02
jakemaheulcuk: interesting18:02
qwerty12jakemaheu, yes, you are right, the desktop file has to be installed first before the option to choose can be ran18:02
aquatixlcuk: yep18:03
jakemaheuit makes me rage that if i put in a bug it'll say "fixd in fremantle"18:03
jakemaheubut it won't18:03
jakemaheui heard that samba will be gone in fremantle18:03
lcukthey might shock you and say "fixed in harmattan"18:03
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slonopotamusjakemaheu, read that as 'won't be fixed for your device'18:03
jakemaheuthat would suck18:03
jakemaheui kinda miss the tiny menus18:04
lcukslonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device?18:04
lcukthey only said they are concentrating on the next one18:04
jakemaheui sold my friend my 77018:04
GadgetoidZipSlack is revolutionary, only 100 MB and can run from your existing file system!18:04
jakemaheuhe set a lock code and forgot it over break-- any way to fix it?18:04
slonopotamusGadgetoid, you're several years late18:05
jakemaheuit has no ssh or cloned os18:05
slonopotamusGadgetoid, i have 8gb sd card18:05
GadgetoidNooo! 100 mb is enough for anybody!18:05
qwerty12jakemaheu, ah, for N800, I made an custom initfs image that displayed the lock code as it was booting up. No idea how it would work for 770...18:06
aquatixslonopotamus: i'm even thinking about getting that 16GB microsd from sandisk18:06
lcukhow the hell did people used to ship entire operating systems on a single floppy disk?18:06
jakemaheuany ideas?18:06
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aquatixlcuk: not including graphics and other newfangled stuff?18:06
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Gadgetoidlcuk: It was easy when they didn't have to idiot-proof them!18:06
jakemaheui heard that i can flash it and that'll remove the locked setting, but not the code18:07
andre__jakemaheu, "it'll say "fixed in fremantle" but it won't" - what do you mean by that?18:07
aquatixand only supporting a limited set of hardware18:07
lcukaquatix, granted, media is a big space filler18:07
slonopotamuslcuk, well... even if it will, it will be slow18:07
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lcukslonopotamus, why slow?18:07
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Gadgetoidlcuk: you're welcome to write a modern floppy disk based OS, but you'll have to bundle it with a USB floppy drive :)18:07
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slonopotamuslcuk, because nokia will target at faster cpu18:08
lcukGadgetoid, i meant capacity - you lot are all talking about 100mb oses and stuff18:08
wazdcan I sue an ISP for it's sexual orientation?18:08
lcuk??? what does the target cpu have to do with anything?18:08
slonopotamuslcuk, and because they can make any more money from n8x0 users ;)18:08
jakemaheuandre__: they have a habit of saying things are fixed when they aren't18:08
jakemaheuor not able to be reproduced18:08
Gadgetoidlcuk: I'm just waiting for someone to call me out on the absurdities of evangelizing ZipSlack, but it's just too obscure18:08
slonopotamuslcuk, diablo runs on n770. does it have good performance?18:09
andre__jakemaheu, errr.... well, at least for core issues you can test yourself on fremantle - the pre alpha sdk is available18:09
jakemaheuqwerty12: can you send it to me@
wazdStskeeps: pong?)18:09
lcukslonopotamus, i dunno18:09
Stskeepswazd: .. ping?18:09
aquatixGadgetoid: it's slackware, why would i want that on any of my devices?18:09
aquatixGadgetoid: there, done ;)18:09
jakemaheui love having my name as y website18:10
wazdStskeeps: Does Mer have any logo or something?)18:10
andre__jakemaheu, but for higher level stuff you're right that you currently cannot reproduce if it's really fixed. but i still don't get the criticism - you don't trust if someone says "fixed in fremantle", or what is your major concern?18:10
qwerty12jakemaheu, let me see if I can find it. I kinda took it down when I pointed to my collection of initfs binaries that I'd compiled to a bug report...18:10
lcukMr does as well18:10
Stskeepswazd: not yet :)18:10
qwerty12jakemaheu, also, it probably won't flash on an 770. I don't have time to do the same for an 770 initfs...18:11
wjthmm. is there any way I can dump my N810's root filesystem to my laptop prior to flashing it? It's refusing to boot (because / is full, i'm pretty sure) but I'd like to save my maemo-mapper db, which is the file filling up / ... :)18:11
jakemaheumy main thing is tat they're trying to cut off all support for os2008/diablo18:11
slonopotamusaaargh! three packages built!18:11
jakemaheuand that "fixed in fremantle" doesn't help if it won't run18:12
wazdStskeeps: ok18:12
jakemaheuunusab;le fixes don't count18:12
StskeepsMeizirkki: if you get bored.. try the Xomap binary from deblet18:12
Stskeepsand replace Xorg with that18:12
slonopotamusoh, btw18:12
andre__jakemaheu, of course they count. that's how software development works in general.18:12
StskeepsMeizirkki: and tell me how it performs18:12
andre__jakemaheu, if you radically change the codebase for the next version it's huge costs to provide backports for Diablo18:13
jakemaheubut fremantle is supposed to run on the n900 or whatever, and not on the device that the bugs concern18:13
slonopotamusStskeeks, you wanted to benchmark my almost-fully-optimized gentoo18:13
jakemaheulike the camera18:13
jakemaheu"not reproduceable" is bs18:14
andre__jakemaheu, but you do read what has been written here already? ;-)18:14
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andre__10min ago18:14
lcukandre__, by the same tune, if you can dive in and implement a minor fix in the existing codebase whilst also looking forwards towards a new version it makes everyone happy - ive been supporting my apps written since 2000 whether or not i have replaced them18:14
Stskeepswazd: themes for Mer are ocean, "more", community, at least18:14
andre__"slonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device? they only said they are concentrating on the next one"18:14
lcukobviously different situations occur18:15
andre__lcuk, i'm totally with you. it's definitely what a customer expects.18:15
andre__let's push Mer.18:15
slonopotamusandre__, that means that it will have reasonable speed of omap3 cpu and slow on older ones18:15
qwerty12The rotation bug is bollocks - that one says straight up that nokia are willing to do fuck all18:16
lcukto use an stsism, *nod*18:16
andre__Mer is more useful than trying to change Nokia's thinking about pushing patches into "older" versions :-/18:16
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qwerty12"A community edition" shouldn't be nokia's next shitty excuse18:16
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: i'm not entirely agreeing with that point though.. it will have shit speed if we use all the clutter stuff, which we don't for 95% of fremantle18:16
andre__slonopotamus, so?18:16
jakemaheu_netboosorry, wifi cut out18:16
jakemaheu_netbooi had a 770 and then they cut me off18:17
jakemaheu_netbooi have an n800 and they are going to cut us and the n810 owners off next18:17
andre__qwerty12, hehe :) yeah, got to take care that Mer doesn't become the next "end of discussion" argument by nokia18:17
Stskeepsjakemaheu_netboo: on the other hand, Mer runs (sortof) on 770 :P18:17
lcuki really cant wait for new device, i get decent speed on n8x0 and will have warp speed on omap3.  it runs really well currently on x86 at 800mhz18:17
qwerty12andre__, you're brilliant :)18:18
andre__jakemaheu_netboo, how many years of updates did you expect when buying?18:18
Stskeepsand i can totally understand why they scrapped the 770 for HE's18:18
jakemaheu_netboothere can still be hacker editions like the 770, but how far does that get us if the updates are for different hardware18:18
jakemaheu_netboothe 770 hw was slow18:18
lcukfaster graphics18:18
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Stskeepsjakemaheu_netboo: very little is hw specific..18:18
lcukcould do similar fullscreen updates as liqbase i believe without massive hacking18:18
jakemaheu_netbooexpt for kernel18:19
lcuk(part of the reason why i believe liqbase will run well on 770)18:19
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Stskeepsjakemaheu_netboo: and that part they're solving with open source wifi18:19
jakemaheu_netbooexcept for the processor18:19
jakemaheu_netbooremember, omap 2xxx vs 3xxx18:20
jakemaheu_netboodont remember the umbers18:20
infobotjakemaheu_netboo meant: dont remember the numbers18:20
qwerty12jakemaheu_netboo, you forget that the amounts of ram too on the 770 was crap18:20
Stskeepsi'm inclined to think nokia wouldn't be completely against building software towards older CPUs. or allowing some members to do it.18:20
qwerty12Stskeeps, I don't think nokia even build software for specific cpus...18:20
Stskeepser, without quotes18:21
Stskeeps"suck my cock", (from LostNokiaGirl)18:21
Stskeepshmm :P18:21
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: ok, can i ask what xomap is doing that xorg isn't?18:21
qwerty12Stskeeps, haha18:21
lcukim inclined to think if nokia could get a REAL performance boost from somewhere that makes older cpus work it could trickle through the entire product line from cheap low powered phones through to the high end super ones :)18:21
qwerty12Stskeeps, mind if I point that out? :P18:21
Stskeepsqwerty12: go ahea18:21
andre__Stskeeps, lucky one. I never get such offers :-P18:21
StskeepsMeizirkki: it is actually accelerated18:22
jakemaheu_netboolol stskeeps18:22
qwerty12Stskeeps, done :P18:22
jakemaheu_netboothats funny18:22
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StskeepsMeizirkki: basically, fb_update_mode manual is needed to make it work sanely :P18:23
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jakemaheunetbookthere we go18:23
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qwerty12Stskeeps, wish me luck: :)18:26
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jakemaheunetbookis there any good gui text editor for diablo?18:26
jakemaheunetbooklike notepad++18:26
jakemaheunetbooki need it for scripting18:26
jakemaheunetbooki like the syntax highlighting18:26
qwerty12you could call leafpad the linux equivalent of notepad (not ++)18:27
jakemaheunetbookor i could call the regular text editor that18:27
jakemaheunetbookexcept it's in .html18:27
jakemaheunetbookwhich is werid18:27
qwerty12nah, the built in one SUCKS18:27
jakemaheunetbookmaybe google docs prted18:28
qwerty12I messed things up due to it not saving properly when I was a n00b and used it to edit a system file >.<18:28
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Stskeepsqwerty12: looks like success18:30
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qwerty12yep :), thanks18:30
jakemaheunetbookwhat about quicknote?18:30
jakemaheunetbookooh, i see a package i want to get18:31
jakemaheunetbook"Subcategories Testing - DO NOT INSTALL" "Test/Useless package to test subcategories support."18:32
qwerty12I put that there, blame X-Fade :P18:32
jakemaheunetbooktheres a lot of good stuff in extras-devel18:32
jakemaheunetbooklike nspeed18:33
jakemaheunetbookawesome 3d racing game18:33
lcukqwerty, why doesn't it surprise me that you are at the centre of every packaging faux pas ;)18:33
qwerty12lcuk, I was asked to do that one ;)18:33
lcukyeah, you were kinda asked to do this one as well18:33
qwerty12besides, silence. or i'll upload liqbase-ng ;P18:34
jakemaheunetbookwormux, 53mb18:34
jakemaheunetbookdo it18:34
qwerty12data files install to memory card18:34
lcukqwerty12 : the secret of my success : "i fsck up packaging"18:34
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qwerty12lcuk, northerners g*something*18:34
jakemaheunetbooktotally getting it18:34
jakemaheunetbooknorthern gold?18:35
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jakemaheunetbookmy high school is port huron northern18:35
wazdSts: Mer is "Sea", not Ocean I suppose :)18:35
lcuknorthern grit :)18:35
jakemaheunetbookand our colors are gold and blue18:35
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qwerty12Think the diablo extras-devel version is a little messed up...18:35
Stskeepswazd: good question :P18:36
jakemaheunetbooklcuk: put liqbase-ng in a seekrit repo, like seekrit.liqbase.net18:37
wazdStskeeps: well, in French it's sea and we have ['more] as "sea" :)18:37
lcukjakemaheunetbook, ;) how do you know its *not*18:37
jakemaheunetbookthe sea is massively expansive and open18:37
jakemaheunetbooki'm going to add that repo now18:37
* qwerty12 grins at #1018:38
Stskeepswazd: in any case, water with stuff in it18:38
wazdStskeeps: already making some deepsea stuff)18:38
lcuksounds liek a typical glass of tapwater to me18:38
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lcukqwerty12, whats #10?18:38
qwerty12lcuk, post ten on the suck my cock thread :P18:38
lcukwere the first nine apologizing for creaming yourself at the thought?18:39
qwerty12wanker :P18:39
b-manBig success!!: virtual keyboard and hw keys finally work in Ubuntu jaunty!18:40
Stskeepswhat did you do to make it work, b-man?18:40
lcukb-man, im making a note here18:40
b-mani had to add a keymap file to /etc for upstart to work properly18:40
b-mani'll post some screenshots and information to the ubuntu n800/n810 thread :D18:41
jakemaheunetbooklcuk: i can make liqbase crash18:41
qwerty12I can make liqbase show messages about northerners18:42
qwerty12(when installing anyway...)18:42
jakemaheunetbookoh my18:42
lcukwow! tell me how and ill make sure i can get it to crash for everyone18:42
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lcukor i might say "fixed in fremantle" :P18:42
jakemaheunetbookopen liqbase and go to do some drawing18:42
b-manlcuk: hold on, i'll post some instructions. ;)18:43
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jakemaheunetbookthen select "stamp" and draw one from one corner to the opposite18:43
jakemaheunetbookthen draw another from the same corner to the other18:43
jakemaheunetbookit will freeze18:43
lcukno it wont18:43
lcukits calculating18:43
lcuksince its recursive, it will complete sometime in 269318:44
jakemaheunetbookso it might as well just be frozen18:44
lcuki thought you said crash :)18:44
jakemaheunetbookit sometimes does for me18:44
jakemaheunetbookmaybe i just ush to many buttons18:44
lcukin a way that you can repeat?18:44
infobotjakemaheunetbook meant: maybe i just push to many buttons18:44
jakemaheunetbooknot really18:44
jakemaheunetbookbut it's frozen right now18:44
lcukno jake, i have removed every single reproducable crashable error found18:45
lcukthats different - ill fix that in a different way18:45
qwerty12Stop! It's hammer time18:45
lcukthats only because at the moment its self recursive by default18:45
lcukthe next version will generally be recursive with other sketches18:45
lcukie it will happen much less18:46
jakemaheunetbookand if you svae it, then fgo to the grafitti wall, it kills the fps18:46
lcukyeah cos its drawing several hundred sketches per frame18:46
b-manHere's how i got it working; take the xmodmap file from deblet, gzip -f xmodmap it, rename it to boottime.kmap.gz, and place it into your /etc directory.18:46
jakemaheunetbookthere we go, fixed18:47
lcukits orders of magnitude more complex18:47
jakemaheunetbookwhich is worse, app freezing or crashing?18:47
lcuki could bring down the highest powered cpu ever with that algo but it still wouldnt have technically crashed18:47
jakemaheunetbookdoesn't lifeguard do that or something?18:47
lcukill fix it anyway18:47
lcukstop recursing if its been running a single sketch for longer than a second or something18:47
lcukno because its not started under lifeguard control18:48
jakemaheunetbookmy like 7yo cousin got a quad core intel, 3gb of ram, 640gb hd for x-mas18:48
lcuknew version here handles itself slightly differently itself18:48
Stskeepsb-man: kinda odd you need a kmap, though18:48
lcukthere *is* a hardware lock somewhere which is not reproducable and *does* effectively crash the machine18:48
b-manyah, but it works :)18:48
jakemaheunetbookshe's using it for email and flash games in firefo18:48
lcuklol jake, cbeebies website will load really fast for him18:49
jakemaheunetbookoh yeah, doing the recursive thing then pressing home and going to desktop will lock the touchscreen18:49
lcukrecursion, if a sketch has called itself over 100 times per sketch is that a reasonable limit?18:50
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lcukyeah, stamp tool busyness simulates the effect, but i mean a generic deep x11/xv crash that i cannot capture or trap18:50
lcuki also cannot ever reproduce18:50
qwerty12Stskeeps, I'll do the base64 meta package now18:50
lcukeven with automated code18:50
lcukthat frustrates me more than the stamp tool mainly due to its unpredictability18:51
Stskeepsqwerty12: thanks!18:52
lcukat least you know if you do super recursion you can make it lockup - its something i can technically handle18:52
jakemaheunetbookif you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wannamake it go to my website18:53
jakemaheunetbooks/wannamake/wanna make/18:53
infobotjakemaheunetbook meant: if you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wanna make it go to my website18:53
* b-man is uploading the first screenshot to imagebin :D18:54
jakemaheunetbookhow are the sketches named?18:54
jakemaheunetbooknice, svg18:55
lcukthe sketches arent svg, i just wrote a converter18:55
b-manFirst offical screenshot of ubuntu jaunty on an N800:
qwerty12b-man, congrats :)18:56
jakemaheunetbookthat's amazing + pretty18:56
jakemaheunetbookwait, isn't jaunty an old one?18:56
b-manit's verry new18:56
Meizirkkijaunty will be released april 200918:57
jakemaheunetbookoh okay18:57
jakemaheunetbooki googled it18:57
Stskeepsb-man: woo18:58
b-mani'll update my ubuntu thread to provide the keyboard fix :)18:58
MeizirkkiStskeeps: it looks like touchscreen is dead now, i'm not sure if i am running xomap, but i did apt-get remove xserver-xorg before installing deblets xomap18:58
StskeepsMeizirkki: mm, there's a special curse needed for the Xomap parameters..18:59
lcuklimiting recursion depth looks awful18:59
jakemaheunetbookhow awful?19:00
jakemaheunetbookportal did a GOOD job of it19:00
lcukthe hall of mirrors effect stops X levels in19:00
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jakemaheunetbookit set it so that you could tell it to only recurse a max of like 8 portals19:00
lcukif X > 5 there is a user definable way to make it practically infinite19:00
lcukportal only have 1 mirror to cater for19:01
lcukthis is like multiplayer portal - each stamp is an orange portal19:01
StskeepsMeizirkki: try from console: Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp &19:01
Stskeepsexport DISPLAY=:019:01
qwerty12Stskeeps, does look ok to you?19:01
jakemaheunetbook*drools* multiplayer portal19:02
lcukits part of the reason why multiplayer portal isnt with us yet ;)19:02
lcukthough that would be dreamy19:02
jakemaheunetbookit would be interesting19:02
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah19:02
lcukdid you play portal in the hl2 maps?19:02
jakemaheunetbooknot yet19:02
lcukor rather add portal gun to hl2 maps19:02
jakemaheunetbookhave you tried garry's mod?19:02
qwerty12garry's mod is jokes :D19:03
lcukno, but i know enough about it all19:03
jakemaheunetbooki got it a couple days ago19:03
qwerty12It was fun swinging people into the air :p19:03
jakemaheunetbookqwerty12: hmm?19:03
qwerty12it's fun :D19:03
lcukhave you made alex fsck everything yet19:03
jakemaheunetbookeven the portal gun19:03
lcukseems like the only real use for it19:03
jakemaheunetbookand companion cube19:03
qwerty12lcuk, nah, you have gta + hot coffee for that sort of thing19:04
jakemaheunetbooklcuk do you do hl2: deathmatch?19:04
lcukno :)19:04
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jakemaheunetbookit's fun :D19:05
lcukit reminds me of CS too much so i tend to stay away19:05
jakemaheunetbookyou just have to find a good server19:05
jakemaheunetbooksay, Ryandor's Deathmatch Server19:05
lcukportal speed trials are good to play with19:05
jakemaheunetbooki <3 everyone there19:05
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jakemaheunetbookit's a nice server and it's like a tight-knit group19:06
jakemaheunetbookbut if you go there everyone's really nice19:06
qwerty12Do you all cry when you kill one another?19:06
lcukim taking this recursion limit out, it makes stamps look bob, but i might simply ensure new stamps only occupy 1/4 of the screen if self recursive19:06
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lcukno, they dont kill each other19:07
jakemaheunetbookwe talk a lot19:07
lcukthey stand there at door ways going "after you"   "no, after you"19:07
jakemaheunetbookpeople are polite19:08
qwerty12If this was team capture the flag, no you take the flag, no you...19:08
lcukheh yeah qwerty19:08
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lcukreminds me of how tracy drives in GTA.   she stops at the traffic lights19:08
qwerty12ha :P19:08
qwerty12Does she run over passengers? :)19:08
lcukno, and she apologises for borrowing someones car19:09
* qwerty12 thinks the best vehicle to do that in is the combine harvester bar none19:09
lcuki havent played the 3d ones19:09
lcukat the time i tried my graphics card couldnt handle it :)19:09
qwerty12the 2d ones are jokes when you line up the cars to blow them up19:09
qwerty12My computer won't handle GTA IV. It only plays san andreas if I overclock the igp :)19:10
jakemaheunetbookwhat's igp?19:10
lcukthey should have left the real original 2d interface in, cos it was the awesome19:10
qwerty12integrated graphics processor - another way of saying that the graphics suck on my computer :)19:11
jakemaheunetbooklcuk: what's your steam id?19:11
jakemaheunetbookis it lcuk?19:11
lcukno, i joined steam before maemo, its liquidcoooled19:11
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jakemaheunetbookqwerty12: meh, i use a crappy radeon x1300 pro19:11
lcuki just upgraded from one of those19:11
lcukto a 1500 or something19:12
lcuk'ello gnuton19:12
qwerty12jakemaheunetbook, probably better than my radeon xpress 200 :)19:12
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qwerty12hi gnuton19:12
gnutonhei lcuk :D19:12
gnutonue qwerty12! :D19:12
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gnutonI''m just come back from the IKEA store..19:12
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gnutonI'm very hungry!!19:12
lcukright, must dash, jakemaheunetbook the recursion is staying, if users want to make the universe divide by 0 they are free to :) they can wait for it to finish rendering19:12
lcukgnuton, ikea has food19:13
jakemaheunetbooki <333333 ikea!19:13
jakemaheunetbooktheir food is amazing19:13
gnutonlcuk: I know but it's closed now! :(19:13
jakemaheunetbooki wanna go now19:13
MeizirkkiStskeeps: xomap is annoying it starts now automatically and telnet does not work19:13
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lcukmy missus likes ikea as well, when we go i have only one rule, if she can carry it she can have it - ive never seen a woman carry as much stuff before in my life19:13
gnutonI m going to cook something of good....19:14
StsN800Meizirkki, k19:14
jakemaheunetbookramen or bacon19:14
jakemaheunetbookwhich i just had some of\19:14
jakemaheunetbookspeaking of which, i found the best thing ever yesterday19:14
lcukmmmmmm my xchat didnt highlight when you said bacon19:15
lcuktry again19:15
gnutonlcuk: probably it doesn't like the bacon! :P19:15
lcukperfect, works now19:15
lcuki dunno whow many bacon convos ive missed19:15
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lcukwonder when that happened19:15
qwerty12StsN800, will you ever set it so I can just dput. Easiest method evar19:16
qwerty12s/set it/set it up/ :)19:16
jakemaheunetbookFOUNT IT!
jakemaheunetbookit looks so good19:19
lcukjakemaheunetbook, thats just an adaption of the original:
jakemaheunetbookyeah, but still looks delicious19:20
StsN800qwerty12, dput runs anything on server?19:20
StsN800or just uploads?19:20
lcuk   <<< for all your bacony fun ;) anyway im really gone now, gonna make tea, might have pork19:20
jakemaheunetbooklol, yum19:20
qwerty12StsN800, I think it must do, because the maemo autobuilder picks up on it. Or i'm not sure if it's monitoring folders...19:21
jakemaheunetbookyay, bye lcuk!19:21
qwerty12StsN800, - builds in sbox fine...19:21
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StsN800qwerty12, hmmm.19:23
qwerty12ah, I know what it is. I'll reupload.19:23
pupnik_how's the autobuilder working qwerty12 ?19:23
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stv0hello ;)19:24
stv0i've a problem with the rom space on my device19:24
qwerty12pupnik_, the maemo one? The maemo one is basically the Diablo sdk with nothing installed so you have to specify in your debian/control what you want installed so your program can compile. After that, it works in pretty much the same way compiling a package in scratchbox works.19:25
wazd Here's what I have for now:
qwerty12pupnik_, you should upload your wicked game ports :)19:25
qwerty12wazd, pretty :)19:25
stv0i think ive installed to many apps. i there a possibility to move them to a external memorycard?19:25
pupnik_they need work to not suck, and i'm practically mentally retarded19:26
StsN800wazd, looks good!19:26
pupnik_but i'll try to get going on one or two19:26
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wazdI thought if pearl can be Mer's logo19:27
StsN800wazd, wallpaper is nice and soft on the tablet screen at least19:28
wazdWell, that's the way wallpaper used to be ")19:28
jakemaheunetbookwhat's the filename for the startup image in maemo?19:29
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jakemaheunetbooki wanna put a shock image on19:29
qwerty12shock image as in goatse/tubgirl etc?19:29
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drav3nwould that be for security jake?  lol19:30
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wazdso, what's about pearl?)19:31
StsN800wazd, hmm, maybe19:31
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jakemaheunetbookmaybe a screencap from 2g1c19:32
wazdThe best startup screen is a screenshot of homescreen itself :)19:32
qwerty12I'm such a fuckwit, I told it to build xchat again because that's what I've been typing on the merbuilder page >.<19:32
jakemaheunetbooklol nice that would prolly tick me off19:33
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stv0E: Konnte Lockdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht öffnen - open (28 No space left on device)19:36
b-manupdated Ubuntu Jaunty for the N800/N818 thread;
stv0no space to lock my apt-get download dir?19:37
stv0what should i do?19:37
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drav3nthat's happend to me, I think it was because I wasn't root19:37
stv0im root shure19:38
stv0df: /dev/mtdblock4          255488    252816      2672  99% /19:38
stv0i can't remove any apps19:39
bef0rdhow about moving some files temporally to a mmc?19:40
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RST38hwazd: That is how Apple does it (with the startup screens)19:40
stv0ive hust installed apps into the rom19:40
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wazdRST38h: yep, iPhone trick, pretty elegant though :)19:42
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* wazd wonders why he has wrong colors of wallpaper on the tablet19:43
RST38hedited in 24bit then shown in 16bit on the NIT?19:44
wazdno, not gradient ladders but just a bit less bluish than on the laptop19:44
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wazdmaybe that's because of my laptop color profile19:45
wazdgradients really sucks on n800 :(19:45
qwerty12StsN800, base64 package built19:49
StsN800qwerty12, thanks!19:49
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wazd_wtfwhat the hell was that19:50
Stskeepswazd_wtf: an elephant19:50
wazd_wtfhow can I take my name back?))19:52
Stskeepswazd_wtf: it'll ping timeout in a while anyway19:52
qwerty12assuming that wazd is registered with nickserv :)19:52
Stskeepsif you don't have it registered19:52
wazd_wtfno, i think not19:53
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qwerty12You will be forever known as wazd_wtf19:53
wazd_wtf*dramaticaly* nooooooooooo!!!19:53
drav3nthat sux, it just happend to me actually lol19:53
drav3nthis time I was smart and registerd19:54
wazd_wtfI happened to Qwerty twelve times I see :)19:54
drav3naha  good call19:54
Stskeepswtf @ kernel19:54
Stskeeps<6>elantech.c: unexpected magic knock result 0x00, 0x02, 0x64.19:54
qwerty12wazd_wtf, hehe... :P19:54
Stskeeps"magic knock"? :P19:55
wazd_wtfwell, now I have to chose different name?19:55
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Stskeepsnow you can switch back, wazd_wtf19:55
qwerty12Not anymore :P19:55
wazd_wtfah, thanks)19:55
Stskeepsevening rm_you19:55
qwerty12ello rm_you19:55
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wazdhow to register nick?)19:56
Stskeeps /nickserv help register19:56
wazdI think it's done)19:58
qwerty12Now it's time to identify :)19:58
qwerty12/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>19:59
rm_youhey all19:59
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drav3nqwerty12: I'm still getting "Invalid module format" on my r8187 module. the arch is right this time afaik. any ideas?20:01
qwerty12drav3n, no :/20:01
qwerty12Post me your uname output again plz20:02
qwerty12(I can't guarantee success, I'll be eventually building in a diablo sdk)20:03
drav3nwell after I did n770_defconf or w/e  it matches the all the other kenel mods20:03
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Stskeepswazd: does themes include new icon sets too btw or just parts of it?20:04
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wazdWell, current version of Theme Maker can include sidebar icons and fonts20:04
wazdBut unfortunately it can't compile theme itself)20:05
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wazdWell, maybe wallpaper is already good? Don't want to add detailed objects to it20:07
Stskeepsyeah, wallpaper is good20:07
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wazdI've added some noice to it, to be not too flat20:08
Stskeepsis the icon for unknown application icon in themes too btw?20:08
Stskeeps(i never made a theme, :P)20:08
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Stskeepsi guess is all it can do20:09
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wazdThere are only 3 icons in theme, web, contacts and apps, all for sidebar menus20:11
wazdI think you can include everything you need with hands though)20:11
wazdLike boot up screen and other stuff20:11
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qwerty12I think you can add an image called qgn_list_gene_default_app.png to the theme images folder and it will get replaced when applying the theme20:12
wazd thats the latest version20:12
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Stskeepswazd: looks good :)20:13
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jakemaheunetbookhey lardman20:14
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: hmm, it was in 2.6.28 n800 sound was removed?20:15
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, something like that, check the nitdroid thread, solca haz linkz :)20:16
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wazdbtw I have w1920 version of the wallpaper so if you plan to have a website it can be nice backgroung20:16
Stskeepshehe, yeah, :)20:16
Stskeepswazd: have you done any other maemo themes, btw?20:19
Stskeepslike, published one20:19
wazdStskeeps: nope, I have one in plans, but nothing done yet20:19
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Stskeepsyou didn't do Titan? ;)20:20
wazdStskeeps: I'm thinking too much on them, so it's very long to do it. Titan has been redrawn like 3 times or so20:20
qwerty12_N800that was wazd_wtf20:20
Stskeepsah ;>20:20
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wazdyep, that was him :)20:21
* Stskeeps wonders how titan looks on mer20:21
qwerty12_N800:p :)20:21
* Stskeeps checks20:21
Stskeepsi just really really want to get rid of plankton ..20:21
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qwerty12_N800Can't say that I blame you... :p20:21
qwerty12_N800I get a giggle over the people who want it in os2008 :p20:22
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wazdmaybe I can combine my thoughts and Mer concept and make 1 theme20:22
wazdCalled... Mer, for example))20:23
Stskeepsyou're more than welcome :) chances are we'll definately use them ;)20:23
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* Stskeeps ponders if he hosed his mer install earlier20:28
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: something went odd in the base64 build20:40
wazd_wtf\ghost didn't work :(20:41
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, but the package is there :?20:41
qwerty12_N800wazd_wtf, what client?20:41
qwerty12_N800hi woglinde20:41
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Stskeepswazd: now you can do /nickserv ghost wazd <your password>20:42
Saviqhey guys, what's the current way to play music over to a a2dp headset?20:42
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wazd_wtfDie bitch!)20:42
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wazdhostile takeover )20:43
wazdSaviq: well, there is a guide how to do that on ITT forums20:44
Saviqwazd: yes but it's a bit off with current package versions :/20:44
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, re base64, don't think your builder likes arch: all packages, if it's all tbh, only the i386 builder needs to do it20:55
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: true, maybe repository loader script fucks up too20:56
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TrueJournalsw00t!  My Palm 3245WW keyboard came!21:02
TrueJournalsOnly... I can't get it to pair with tablet :-(21:03
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TrueJournalsOh, wait... I'm stupid21:04
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TrueJournalsw00t!  Now I just have to get used to the keyboard shortcuts...21:08
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Stskeepsheh, the kinetic scrolling file chooser in fremantle is funny21:11
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cirofinalebuongiorno/sera/notte a tutti21:13
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wazd_wtfStskeeps: wait, what?)21:13
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Stskeepswazd_wtf: mer has fremantle components21:13
Stskeepsso we get file chooser and widgets21:13
Stskeepsand such21:13
wazd_wtfStskeeps: nice)21:14
wazd_wtfStskeeps: pity I'm too dumb to check out Mer :)21:14
Stskeepswazd_wtf: we'll soon make it possible :)21:14
StskeepsMeizirkki: you tried to port hildon-theme- from maemo, right?21:15
Meizirkkioh, what do you mean21:16
Stskeepsthe pretty themes21:16
Stskeepscopying them in21:16
Stskeepsdid you when you copied them at first, before you copied the icons, experience the extras menu etc not working?21:16
RST38hSts: Btw, is Fremantle file chooser still tries to scan all the subdirectories and the whole current directory?21:16
Stskeepsjust not showing anything21:17
Meizirkkii downloaded themes-os08-12pt from (austinche) repo21:17
StskeepsRST38h: no clue21:17
Meizirkkinot sure what repo21:17
RST38hSts: Try opening a directory with 2-3 LARGE subdirectories21:17
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RST38hSts: See how long it takes21:17
qwerty12_N800Meizirkki, lancode repo  iirc21:17
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StskeepsMeizirkki: ok, and what caused you to copy in maemo icons?21:18
Meizirkkithose maemo themes were iconless otherwise21:18
lcukwazd_wtf, not dumb, just different mindset, im quite excited at the prospect of mer as well :)21:18
MeizirkkiStskeeps: but using maemos themes made some icons to not show up, like bluetooth-applet-icon or nm-applet...21:19
MeizirkkiWhat's wrong with konttoris theme maker? it just stays on 1% :(21:23
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RST38hObviously, it needs a bloody ssssacrifice!21:26
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RST38h[your firstborn will do]21:26
* qwerty12_N800 donates ctulthu21:27
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yigalis there anyway to tell Modest to send inline images in a forward?21:29
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yigalI hope there comes along a mail client as sexy as Modest and as functional as Claws one of these days for Maemo21:37
ThatOneGuykernel-source-rx-34_2.6.16 ?21:38
ThatOneGuydoes it exist?21:38
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ThatOneGuynvm it's not rx-3421:40
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* b-man is about to chuck his tablet across the room, stupid keyboard issue came back after the fifth boot into ubuntu. D:<21:43
Stskeepsb-man: hehe. i spent a month on the 'fsck' problem21:44
Stskeepsand i'm still not happy with the solutio21:44
ssvbgnuton: did you get some cheap stuff on the last day of the afternewyear IKEA discounts?21:45
b-manI was sooo close :(21:46
b-manat least i have proof that i actually had it working :)21:47
gnutonssvb: no, I didn't21:47
* b-man starts to try and hunt down a nother possible cause of the issue :/21:49
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TheFatalI have a question. When a app download is finish, but when trys to install says insuficent memory, the pakage is in the device yet ??22:01
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RST38hFatal: Yes, it is in the device22:06
Stskeeps(scrshot 4 is odd cos of our window manager not placing it correctly right now)22:07
b1ackdeathhas any one had problems with there n810's sd card like it sliding out of place?22:10
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Stskeepswazd: saw my url?22:12
lcuklittle git!22:13
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TheFatalWhere is the pakage store then ??22:18
woglinde /var/tmp or so22:19
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Stskeepsor on the MMC22:21
lcukim never sure if im ok to clean them all out though22:21
woglindelcuk hm the nokia appmanager dowload its somewher elese22:21
lcukso i just clean the biggest ones out when i need to22:21
qwerty12_N800lcuk, apt-get clean22:22
lcukthat removes ALL those?22:22
qwerty12_N800yes but it doesn't matter, they'll get redownloaded if needed anyway22:22
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lcuk:D oooooooh22:22
lcukyeah i know that much22:22
lcukthats much more logical, i however tend not to type random things into the console :$22:23
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Stskeepswb wazd_wtf22:25
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: does hildon-desktop on diablo have composite enabled?22:25
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hildon-desktop doesn't have a composite option. if you mean matchbox, then no it doesn't. when i enabled it, matchbox refused to start22:26
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: ok, cos i see stuff regarding composite22:27
Stskeepsit's just meiz spoke of the side bar not being transparent22:27
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qwerty12_N800no sorry, i'm wrong, hildon-desktop is linked to libcomposite22:28
Stskeepsso that's probably why then22:28
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Stskeepswazd: prod me when around, got a question :)22:33
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lcukWTF??? ive been ripped off22:35
lcukive got a clipper lighter, and the flint doofer thing is non changable22:36
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Saviqguys, shouldn't the a2dpd daemon run automatically on boot?22:38
qwerty12_N800the modern method doesn't use the ancient a2dpd because bluez has support built in it22:39
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i'm such a doofus.. turns out ThemeMaker themes doesn't have the icon fallback theme in their gtkrc that is required to make icons work in Mer :)22:40
Saviqqwerty12_N800: 'modern method'? as in?22:41
SaviqI tried the 'bluetooth' alsa device but it will only work with voice not with hifi quality22:42
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, heh, has that one been scratching your head for a while? :)22:42
Saviq(it works like that on my desktop)22:42
Saviqqwerty12_N800: could you then please point me to a 'modern' solution info?22:42
qwerty12_N800Saviq, johnx's a2dp-support22:42
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: it's a oneliner really :P22:42
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hehe :p :)22:43
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, planning to recompile against libcomposite? :)22:44
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: yeah22:45
jakemaheui love all of you22:47
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, incase it helps:
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Saviqqwerty12_N800: have you seen that: "BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)"?22:49
qwerty12_N800Saviq, yes, a re-pair & reboot worked for me. For another person, it was a case of not entering his bt headset mac address properly22:50
AFBN810on xchat can you move channel listings to top ?22:50
Saviqwill try that22:50
Stskeepsyerga: did your fremantle widgets have icons in the file chooser, btw?22:51
Stskeepslike, for "Documents" folder and such22:52
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Saviqqwerty12_N800: thanks a lot, at last it works22:57
qwerty12_N800no problem :)22:57
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Saviqis there avrcp support?22:57
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: compiling composite hildon22:58
Stskeepsshould make things a tiny bit prettier :P22:58
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: you'll be pleased to know i got themes to work sanely :P22:59
Stskeepsas in, with icons22:59
Stskeepsand composite22:59
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Stskeepsso we can get rid of plankton as default theme ;)23:00
Saviqqwerty12_N800: can canola play through a2dp now, too23:00
qwerty12_N800Saviq, if you change the atabake config file to use mplayer23:01
Meiz_n810what was the problen with hildon-appmanager?23:01
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: (is), some odd defines missing and the fremantle code requiring upstart-dev which we dont have23:03
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Stskeepswtf @ it breaking during compile23:03
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, how about using the diablo one for now?23:04
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: broke during compile23:04
Saviqhmm qwerty12_N800 does canola beta10 use atabake still? I can't find the config file....23:05
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qwerty12_N800Saviq, I don't use canola personally. i think it's in /home/user/.atabake/config23:05
Saviqyeah I don't have the .atabake dir, that's why I'm confused ...23:06
GeneralAntillesOK, I'm seriously gonna start this blog post today.23:06
Meiz_n810wtf? i'm still there? i just accidentally ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0 and ctrl-c it after inode tables23:07
Meiz_n810i am booted from it23:07
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, i'll reupload base64 tomorrow, i fucked up on the version number23:07
StskeepsMeiz_n810: cache :P23:07
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: alrighty23:07
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Meiz_n810i fucked up my mmc-diablo again... grr!23:07
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qwerty12_N800"E: Unable to find a source package for hildon-application-manager" - sounds odd23:08
qwerty12_N800From your last h-a-m merbuilder log. i thought it failed during compiling, it doesn't even get that far23:09
GeneralAntillesHrm, looking at it seems to suggest that RDS support may not be RDS support23:09
GeneralAntillesBut is that just because certain equipment lacks the facilities to handle certain types of RDS broadcasts (which we can easily overcome in software, I'd think) or a function of what the chipset supports?23:10
GeneralAntilles(^ mouse tossed on keyboard)23:10
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: you can also use RDS for positioning if you so wanted :P23:10
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i think i gave up or something23:11
Stskeepscos i couldn't make it build in chroot23:12
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, Mer highlights since before the holiday?23:18
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: SDK is working, we're getting very close to having images people can actually flash and try out23:22
woglindestskeep good23:22
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: the initfs request, x86 port working as well .. yeah23:23
Stskeepsa lot has happened :)23:23
GeneralAntilles"Progress continues to be made on Mer. The SDK is work, and the project is nearing release of its first demo image. Nokia has recently pledged an unprecedented (for this industry) level of support for the project in its efforts to provide a community backport of Fremantle to OMAP2 devices, and the Mer team already has ports running on N8x0s, x86 machines, and OMAP3 machines."23:24
Stskeepsyeah, something like that, s/work/working/23:24
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Stskeepson the technical side we're still waiting for OHM, tablet-browser-ui and DSME :P23:26
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RST38hs/is work/has been made available ?23:27
Stskeepsyeah, what RST38h said23:27
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, can I linkify that?23:27
Stskeepsthe SDK? yeah23:27
GeneralAntillesGot a link? :P23:28
Stskeepsi plan to have time to merge the pages after the 23rd :P23:29
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GeneralAntillesFine, fine. ;)23:31
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Piois there a command you can run in the terminal (on a nokia 770) which will cause opera to load a specific URL?23:31
Piolike i'm sitting here reading a webpage on my workstation with a huge url.. i'd love to be able to ssh to the nokia and paste the url23:32
qwerty12_N800browser --url=%url% works on a n800 with diablo, dunno about opera23:33
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GeneralAntillesWas the first highlights not bit-sized enough?23:33
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GeneralAntillesActually, hrm, nevermind.23:34
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GeneralAntilles Let me know if I've missed anything.23:36
wazdback again23:36
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Pioworks, thanks qwerty12_N80023:40
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wazd that mockup is way better than current23:43
wazdwhy was it banned?23:43
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Stskeepswazd: , <- getting there23:48
Stskeeps(i'm working on fixing the grey bars atm)23:49
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yergaStskeeps, yes it has icons23:54
yerganot very nice but it has23:54
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