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| wazd | What about Terminal version of OMWeather?) | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | "$ weather" | 00:02 |
| wazd | People say that OMWeather handles too much functionality in it | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | "you might want to stay inside today. it's dark, depressing outside. and there's vampires." | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'd rather say a dbus service, but thats just me.. | 00:02 |
| w00t | sounds like another day in the life of stskeeps | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: that's how i think every morning these days since it's not light outside at 8am | 00:03 |
| w00t | indeed. | 00:03 |
| wazd | ok, for serious, how do you like "weather station mode"?) | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thar be monsters | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | dbus is good | 00:05 |
| wazd | something like this: http://i077.radikal.ru/0901/56/024d8b6ee5ea.png | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: full screen widgets when charging could be interesting | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like chumby | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | then again, anything pretty is way outside my area of expertise | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:06 |
| wazd | Well, that mimics some stand alone devices to show weather... and time)) | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: speaking of pretty things, you happen to have any good redistributable wallpapers we can use for the initial art of Mer? | 00:08 |
| wazd | I can do it specially for Mer | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | just so we start having something that looks better than grey X background .. :> | 00:09 |
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| Stskeeps | btw, wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | is a dormant layout laying in hildon | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | just thought of that when i saw your suggestions | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we get a picture of Stskeeps drunk to use as the default? | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure w00t has a couple laying about. | 00:10 |
| * b-man hoped he did not just blow up his computer. X[ | 00:10 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ping? | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Watching the webOS video at http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9671/palm-ces-event-video-highlights/ so makes me want an OMAP3 pocketable device | 00:12 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: pong | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: what kernel version do you have in internal flash | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 00:13 |
| r2d2rogers | rzr: howdy, I saw you asked about Mer on 770 earlier? | 00:13 |
| * b-man just installed ubuntu to his c drive... oh god... | 00:14 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: (i'm doing the imager right now cos my work computer crashed) | 00:14 |
| r2d2rogers | fanoush's 48Mhz all singing special | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: heh, bye bye porn collection | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, my life since before the N810 was announced. ;) | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: uname -a ? | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | just wondering the version | 00:14 |
| r2d2rogers | checking in maemo on my other 770 | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | and there's a typical umac.ko there? | 00:15 |
| * b-man watches in horror as win98 starts to get eaten by ubuntu.... | 00:15 | |
| Stskeeps | (list the firmware .arm's laying about too in initfs) | 00:15 |
| r2d2rogers | 2.6.16.27-omap1 #4 PREEMPT | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i think it's karma for accidentially wiping out Meiz's SD card the other day ;) | 00:15 |
| b-man | lol | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: ta | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | just in /mnt/initfs or? | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:17 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: meh, that computer was usless to me anyways... :) | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe | 00:18 |
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| r2d2rogers | 3825.arm and 3826.arm | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's curious really | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | is it OS2008HE? | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | or which? | 00:19 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 00:19 |
| r2d2rogers | OS2008HE | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:19 |
| r2d2rogers | can reflash one if needed | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | nah, im good | 00:19 |
| r2d2rogers | I have my working install on mmc anyhwo | 00:20 |
| r2d2rogers | kk | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just setting up image generation so | 00:20 |
| r2d2rogers | also booted the Mer in case you need anything more | 00:20 |
| r2d2rogers | \o/ | 00:20 |
| * r2d2rogers checks bugzilla for the sapwood bug again | 00:20 | |
| Stskeeps | nothing new really | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a whip at it, but first after my exams | 00:21 |
| r2d2rogers | sounds good | 00:21 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: when you'll have Mer meeting next time? | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: think start of february really.. originally planned was this month, but i'm personally swamped and we need a proper initial image first | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | which is getting very close | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | i overestimated how much time i had in december so :) | 00:28 |
| * b-man starts to point and chuckel as the win98 desktop begins to disolve on the screen. :D | 00:29 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: What actual borders of UI should I have? | 00:30 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Maybe I should read more bout hildon itself | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: well, depends on what you are aiming to do :) | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | our hildon is using hildon-theme-plankton | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | currently | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | and the typical layout which diablo also uses | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | but isn't limited to only using that, though :) | 00:33 |
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| wazd | My aim depends on what I should do) | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:33 |
| wazd | Wallpaper - ok, I can make personal theme if it's maemo compatible | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it is | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | you saw screenshots from mer already? | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-4.png , etc | 00:35 |
| wazd | some of, but it looks similar to maemo scratchbox :) | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | exactly :) | 00:35 |
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| Stskeeps | which isnt always the prettiest | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | To anybody who's flashed one of the recent FIASCO images, are flash-and-reboot, initfs-flash, and kernel-diablo-flash included? | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: our biggest problem is basically lack of artwork, - the sdk icons are obviously not the same as on tablet itself | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | and themes | 00:37 |
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| wazd | well, I definitely can help that way) | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | i hope we will get closer to a point where people really can start experimenting with it | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | we've also seperated the hildon desktop from the layout, so you can change to layouts like http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png if you so wanted | 00:38 |
| wazd | Let's start with simple :) | 00:38 |
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| Stskeeps | just by apt-getting another layout | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 00:38 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: funny fact i just noticed. | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | you remember speaking of 32-bit color? | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: guess what sapwood has now? 24 and 32 bit support :) | 00:40 |
| wazd | I just came up with some maemo.org changes, just for myself, hows it guys? http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0901/c3/f8601aec961c.png | 00:41 |
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| Stskeeps | immediate direction, the artwork on the left in "get involved" and "get help", together, looks like a football stadium :) | 00:42 |
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| Stskeeps | reaction, i mean | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | wazd: a little too cramped compared with your earlier design | 00:43 |
| wazd | Yep, too narrow for 4 coloumns | 00:44 |
| * Jaffa should go to bed. No idea how well Jaffina'll sleep | 00:45 | |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: 770 stuff merged into imager now btw | 00:47 |
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| GAN800 | lol, image scaling works in WebKit. | 00:48 |
| GAN800 | Much faster than it ever did in MicroB, too. | 00:48 |
| r2d2rogers | \o/ | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | should really try that webkit thing sometime. if it's half as good as midori.. | 00:49 |
| r2d2rogers | I still need to get pluged in better with bzr and the SDK | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=255923&postcount=89 makes an interesting point. If pronvit's done so much with webkit-eal in a few weeks, why didn't Nokia do it? | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | but for some reason Minimalist annihilates inertial. | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I had a quick play this afternoon - it's very cool | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: isn't webkit used on the other N-devices? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: As did full Gmail | 00:50 |
| skibur | I didn't know that somebody was able to install Slackware (ARMedSlack) on the Nokia 770. | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | skibur: nitdroid and Mer is much cooler, though | 00:50 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, maybe js mouseover stuff? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I don't know to what extent. | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Definitely JSey, mouseover or some other event handling perhaps. | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: we could run GWT applications on N96, at least | 00:51 |
| * Jaffa wonders if paternity leave is a good time to get stuck into Mer. | 00:51 | |
| skibur | http://vidar.gimp.org/n770/slackware.phpx | 00:51 |
| Stskeeps | i always seem to get stuck into these things when i have exams | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, all nokia symbian s60 9.1 phones use a webkit based browser | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | thought so | 00:52 |
| lcuk | i think it tears more when theres LESS to do because its trying to draw more frames | 00:52 |
| RST38h | Webkit does show more problems with websites | 00:52 |
| RST38h | than Gecko | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Your follow on point about the fact that the community's able to provide this stuff is a Good Thing is also true :) | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: able to do a quick sapwood switcheroo? | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | just compiled trunk | 00:53 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yessir | 00:53 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, think about how much better the reception would've been with scrolling like this when OS2008 came out. . . . | 00:53 |
| r2d2rogers | have itup and able | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sapwoodtrunk/ | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | two packages there | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: aye. Even looking at the webOS demo part of me was thinking "what's the chance of Fremantle being that integrated, consistent and thought out (ah, the benefits of having a wholly new platform)" - oh, and "mmm, more OMAP3 demo luvliness", the other part was thinking "this is old, it's not doing anything the iPhone didn't do 2 years ago, except multitasking" | 00:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: will do, then reboot | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Once again: iPhone does multitasking. | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: (my point being that fremantle'll have to be absolutely good, rather than just relatively good to get Maemo back on people's radars) | 00:55 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: s/multitasking/running multiple end-user applications at the same time beyond any core set of services/ | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | "multitasking" seemed like an understandable shortcut ;-) | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | the running apps mostly seemed reactive though | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: true - there was no demoing of notification of new email, inbound call, IM etc. | 00:57 |
| woglinde | hi | 00:57 |
| wazd | Hope Fremantle would be even better | 00:57 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Once you jailbreak it, it does that as well | 00:57 |
| lcuk | there was i think, something updated on one of the windows | 00:57 |
| wazd | Jaffa: there was a demo of it in fact | 00:57 |
| * Stskeeps coughs a bit on the iTT comment that openmoko was a stunning success | 00:57 | |
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| RST38h | As to Fremantle, you better start lowering your expectations RIGHT NOW | 00:58 |
| wazd | Jaffa: of e-mail, IM and call | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: sarcasm. | 00:58 |
| sisto | hola | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | wazd: oh, cool - missed it, then. | 00:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: better hope so :P | 00:58 |
| sisto | have you guys seen the new Asus EEE d200 nas server? | 00:58 |
| sisto | http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/asus-eee-d200-with-touchscreen-display-sneaks-out-in-taiwan/ | 00:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, not really it doesnt, if you jailbreak it you get access to the OS to run your own stuff, but you cannot magically make the game engine do more without serious work | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Because there is no way it is going to be as good as a few dozen hardcore fans will expect it to be, for 6 months. | 00:58 |
| sisto | it runs linux | 00:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mmm? | 00:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You can run multiple processes at the same time, that is multitasking | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Well, a jailbroken iPhone is running a Unix-like OS in which you can run some processes in the background. But foreground apps still will receive the "save & shutdown" signal on the user pressing the home button (or whatever it's called) | 00:59 |
| lcuk | the game engine is what you play all the time on these phones - its likely what fremantle will be, sure you might find a hack and get into the core machine | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | sisto: whywouldyouneed a touch screen on a .. NAS? | 00:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: booted faster, testing now | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Ok. What happens if I do not heed the signal then? | 00:59 |
| sisto | Stskeeps: why not? | 00:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: same behavior | 01:00 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Though I agree, Fremantle'll probably not meet expectations. Even Nokia have been trying to manage expectations of Fremantle by better pointing to Harmattan | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | sisto: why not pink ponies as well | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:00 |
| sisto | :) | 01:00 |
| wazd | I wish backward compatibility | 01:00 |
| lcuk | but the game engine says theres a set number of characters doing things, if you want to add more characters interacting with the main game you need to know how to reprogram the engine | 01:00 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Basically, by looking at my crystal balls (tm), I see three major snafus coming: | 01:00 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright, needed to get that out of the way | 01:00 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 01:00 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: I don't know what happens if you ignore the save signal; I'm not an iPhone dev. I expect you get killed. I really don't care enough to get into *another* semantic argument with you, this time about whether the iPhone can multitask. I know it can at the OS level. At the end-user level, you can't have multiple apps installed from the App Store running at the same time. | 01:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, imagine how difficult it would be to do extra special things in doom or something | 01:01 |
| sisto | Stskeeps: it looks expensive (that nas) | 01:01 |
| lcuk | ie to show through your alarm clock | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | sisto: also, why 6 channel HD audio l.. in a NAT?! | 01:01 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: anything else before I leave? | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | NAS | 01:01 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: 1) Clutter being just another overblown graphics api, not delivering on expectations, 2) new tracker-based search indexer wasting battery and 3) more browser fun | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: nah, i'm good for now | 01:02 |
| sisto | Stskeeps: but it's eee branded, it's supposed to be cheapo | 01:02 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Would be interesting to see which of these will actually happen =) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, clutter is the base library, the ui interactions ontop can be anything the game engine developers wants it to be | 01:02 |
| r2d2rogers | Have a good weekend all <G> | 01:02 |
| wazd | c ya) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | sisto, ive seen the eee tablet, its looking nice | 01:03 |
| lcuk | cya r2d2rogers | 01:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Won't be very difficult, no more difficult than in other Unix like systems | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'd bet on things like Clutter and Tracker having such poor UIs built on top of them, that any benefits of the technology have some, err, barriers to overcome ;-) | 01:03 |
| sisto | lcuk: you mean the 12 inch one? i think it runs linux though | 01:03 |
| lcuk | not difficult to jailbreak and run regular apps, you are right, but to run apps outside what the game engines rules | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | means you cannot run the game | 01:04 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Tracker will probably cause problems in disk space, performance, and battery life department. The UIs to Tracker I have seen so far in Ubuntu are fine | 01:04 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: not only can user installed apps not multitask (after the save signal, then you get killed after 1 second anyway) but apple's built in stuff like the media player and email client leak like hell and leave very little memory for the user apps | 01:04 |
| sisto | lcuk: i meant to say "i think it runs windows though" | 01:04 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: But silently eating off 200MB of disk space for indices I will not forget :) | 01:04 |
| lcuk | sisto, when i get one it will run liqbase :) | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: That's what /media/mmc3 will be for ;-) | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: lovely | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Robot101, leaking email client? i'd suspect that they've been stealing ideas of nokia :> | 01:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: using perforated paper tape, no doubt? =) | 01:05 |
| sisto | lcuk: hopefully they'll release it with linux also | 01:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I do not really understand what you mean by game engine: at some point iPhone should just give you a frame buffer pointer | 01:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: After that you can couple with it any way you wish, from as many threads as you wish | 01:06 |
| lcuk | why does it need to give you DMA access? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | or rather bare pointer | 01:06 |
| Robot101 | you don't build a UI /on/ clutter though, you build a UI /with/ clutter... like you might use X or cairo or gtk as parts of building a UI | 01:06 |
| sisto | lcuk: does liqbase replace the OS on the tablet? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | yes Robot101, you use clutter as your low level box/visualization manager | 01:07 |
| sisto | lcuk: or does it run on top of linux? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | no sisto, it runs ontop of linux :) | 01:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is an ARM based gadget, so most likely you will get a pointer | 01:07 |
| lcuk | RST38h, depends on the API | 01:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I can even predict what it will be, with some precision | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: except Nokia are talking about providing a way of integrating Clutter & Gtk in ways which (AFAICT) haven't been done before. But my concern in the UI is based on the general mishmash of concepts in diablo we see in Nokia-delivered applications :) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | it might all be SDL like abstraction | 01:08 |
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| sisto | there's something wrong with this page: http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ | 01:08 |
| sisto | images not showing up | 01:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: At the bottom there is still hardware and it does have a frame buffer and it does have an address | 01:08 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | sisto, thats cos it never went live | 01:08 |
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| sisto | is this you? http://liqbase.net/liq.20081020_040201.gary.scr.png | 01:09 |
| lcuk | yeah, but why does the user app need to know it - do you think its gonna be accessible in webos? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | a few of them resemble me yes :) | 01:09 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: well... will be interesting to see what they've come up with ;) | 01:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: BTW, are there any news on the mail client in Fremantle? Does Modest stay? | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: AFAICT, there's no-one working on Modest fulltime in development any more. Certainly not heard any noises about any development. None of the original dev team seem to be involved any more (which may, or may not, be a good thing ;-)) | 01:10 |
| Jaffa | Of course, with some more bug fixes and a fremantle-powered (scrollable) UI, it might be half decent. | 01:11 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is weird because I can't imagine a tablet without a working mail client | 01:11 |
| Robot101 | RST38h: I've not had trouble imagining it, I've got one in my bag...? :D | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | Nokia'd say: just use your browser. Same as you would for a calendar ;-) | 01:11 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Naah, the backend does not work well, no UI will fix that =( | 01:11 |
| lcuk | in the same way theres a web engine in webkit, is there a core email framework available? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | lol rst | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how the whole dev team just jettisoned as soon as it was out the door. | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: camel & evolution; perhaps. Which modest is using. | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: do we know if it was pushed or jumped? | 01:12 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: If Khertan has his way, we may be able to do just that | 01:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Camel | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, the Diablo requirement didn't help thing. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | s | 01:12 |
| lcuk | bbl | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: ta | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah | 01:12 |
| b-man | ll | 01:12 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: which requirements? | 01:13 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: camel isn't that great a library, tinymail had to hack it very hard to get anywhere sensible, with mixed results | 01:13 |
| sisto | lcuk: i'm watching your videos on youtube | 01:14 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: like diablo has evolution data server kinda tortured for the contacts app... | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot101, of shipping Modest with Diablo | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which meant to was very rushed. | 01:14 |
| lcuk | heh :) i need to make a new one soon. must finish this step off first | 01:14 |
| RST38h | They could have kept the original mail client... | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I find it bizarre that the whole dev team left immediately after that rather than fixing the loose ends. | 01:14 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: Mixed results indeed. So much effort went into tinymail to start with, modest doesn't feel like it had the same thoroughness. | 01:14 |
| RST38h | Yes, it was basic, but it worked | 01:14 |
| lcuk | is the original closed? | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | No, it was open. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-email was closed. | 01:15 |
| RST38h | General: Are those developers still alive? Anyone checked? =) | 01:15 |
| lcuk | then why cant it live on? | 01:15 |
| RST38h | No mass suicide? =) | 01:15 |
| Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: ah right. I think there was also personnel change (unrelated reasons I think) there which meant that there weren't people pushing it very hard after that | 01:15 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ah, of course. I get confused that things with osso- in the name could be closed ;-) | 01:15 |
| lcuk | but im meant to be gone now | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well, at least it's dead now. ;) | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Some parts were open, some closed to my knowledge | 01:15 |
| Robot101 | osso-email had some GPL backend based off sylpheed I thought, and closed UI | 01:15 |
| RST38h | begone, lcuk! | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, djcb is on Planet every so often. | 01:15 |
| RST38h | General: He may have been tasked with killing the rest! | 01:16 |
| Robot101 | the modest folks at igalia are still alive, they're probably just buried under a different project now :) | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: correct. I tried poking around with various low-level Sylpheed settings to try and get it to be more sensible (e.g. quoting) to no success | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sergio hangs out in here most of the time and I think he's one of the leaders for Modest these days. | 01:16 |
| * RST38h sees an opportunity for a conspiracy theory here | 01:16 | |
| sisto | lcuk: it looks awesome... are you going to make a widget library with all that? | 01:16 |
| RST38h | Robot101: Is Modest source available somewhere? Is it buildable? | 01:17 |
| sisto | i bet all apps could benefit from your work | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | RST38h: somewhere, yes. most probably... garage.maemo.org perhaps? | 01:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, it's always been open | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | porting some light gtk client over might be less bad - claws or sylpheed itself...? | 01:17 |
| RST38h | Robot: Aha | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | tbh I've ended up using mutt w/ ssh in times of desparation :O | 01:17 |
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| RST38h | Robot: ssh+pine here | 01:18 |
| RST38h | No desperation at all, used to pine | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: I ported Sylpheed ages ago. Claws has hildon & maemo support upstream now. | 01:18 |
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| Robot101 | Jaffa: nice, how does it work? | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | I still think the UI is probably over complex (hitting small targets with a stylus on a train isn't fun) | 01:18 |
| Robot101 | RST38h: I'm usually a thunderbird user, but HAHAHA for that on a tablet unfortunately | 01:18 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: hrm, I worked on a Psion Netbook Pro linux port and we patched up the sylpheed UI to be simpler | 01:19 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: I think teklogix lawyers are hiding behind every corner and looking for anyone who decides to try and, y'know, release any of the code we made :( | 01:19 |
| Robot101 | we had a cool gpe desktop thing which was kinda like hildon before its time... | 01:20 |
| woglinde | Robot101 hehe you are at kernel concepts? | 01:20 |
| Robot101 | woglinde: no, collabora | 01:20 |
| Robot101 | woglinde: but at that time it was just an internship at aleph one near cambridge | 01:20 |
| Robot101 | my first embedded linux project, cancelled on the day it was supposed to start production | 01:20 |
| RST38h | Robot: Somebody ran Thunderbird on the tablet. It ran. | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: Yeah, I know a few people who've got one of them but can't release any of the s/w :-( | 01:21 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: I lent mine to someone... I wonder if he still has it... | 01:21 |
| RST38h | Robot: Slowly though. | 01:21 |
| Robot101 | RST38h: yeah... like the openoffice ARM port ran... :P | 01:22 |
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| sisto | what browser does the n810 come with? | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | pnaulls at his finest ;-) | 01:22 |
| sisto | from manufacturer | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | sisto: a Gecko-based browser, sometimes referred to as microb. | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | see http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:22 |
| sisto | Jaffa: thanks | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | But the UI is separate from the browser engine, and there's a webkit replacement engine you can hotswap between (still under development, and not quite suitable for end-users yet) | 01:23 |
| RST38h | General: does not seem to offer latest source code, but digging around | 01:23 |
| sisto | webkit rocks for ajax stuff | 01:24 |
| RST38h | SVN is available but the last update happened 2 months ago | 01:24 |
| Robot101 | our webkit eal stuff was rad | 01:24 |
| Robot101 | pretty speedy compared to microb I think :) | 01:24 |
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| Jaffa | Robot101: you seen pronvit's new webkit-eal? | 01:25 |
| Robot101 | development of webkit gtk upstream is frustratingly slow | 01:25 |
| Robot101 | we had someone working on it for months and finished in september, and loads of his patches are still awaiting review | 01:26 |
| Robot101 | Jaffa: no, did it pick up from ours? | 01:26 |
| Robot101 | (I dunno how useful that would be tbh, probably a lot of bitrot) | 01:26 |
| RST38h | Modest Users mailing list died somewhere in August | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: Don't think so, think it was greenfield | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752 | 01:27 |
| Robot101 | interestingly... where the hell did ours go?! | 01:27 |
| * Robot101 pokes around on git.ccu | 01:27 | |
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| Robot101 | Jaffa: wow that loks pretty nice, got further than we did I think | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | we got distracted hacking the engine tbh | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | heh | 01:29 |
| Jaffa | WebKit itself's probably a lot better since then (or certainly more compellingly different to Gecko) | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | hey lets do scr... oh wait | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | how about zo... oh wait | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | file do... nope... | 01:29 |
| Robot101 | webkit's codebase is cool compared to gecko | 01:30 |
| Robot101 | but I think the community/process/etc around gecko is a lot more healthy | 01:30 |
| Robot101 | which is ironic becuase its mad code and really hard to get stuff done in | 01:30 |
| Jaffa | Isn't putting your head in a bucket of jam, then doing hand stands in the middle of a colony of soldier ants, more cool than Gecko's codebase | 01:30 |
| Robot101 | haha | 01:31 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: half-finished sentence in your post here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=256013&postcount=113 | 01:32 |
| Robot101 | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=webkit-eal.git;a=summary | 01:32 |
| Robot101 | there we go | 01:32 |
| Robot101 | page didn't load proerly | 01:32 |
| Robot101 | *properly | 01:32 |
| Robot101 | god damn can't type either | 01:33 |
| Robot101 | bad wireless :P | 01:33 |
| * Robot101 goes to discuss the details with captain pillow | 01:33 | |
| Jaffa | Ditto | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | g'night all | 01:34 |
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| sisto | does nokia record these conversations? :P | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, lol, I do that a lot. | 01:37 |
| Stskeeps | this channel is logged publically, yeah, sisto | 01:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles jumps around a lot when writing stuff. | 01:38 | |
| sisto | all my skin is peeling off from the sun | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | .. sun? | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | where are you, africa? | 01:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:40 |
| sisto | close | 01:40 |
| sisto | south america | 01:40 |
| RST38h | heh | 01:41 |
| sisto | i forgot to use sun lotion :P | 01:41 |
| sisto | i didn't think i would need it | 01:41 |
| zeenix | sisto: what did you do? :) | 01:41 |
| RST38h | Oh well, SLEEP. | 01:41 |
| sisto | zeenix: i went to the beach | 01:42 |
| sisto | RST38h: gnight! :) | 01:43 |
| wazd | cya RST38h | 01:43 |
| wazd | sisto: you can freely use sun loyion here in russia, we have mild -15 :) | 01:44 |
| sisto | nice | 01:45 |
| sisto | you need ice lotion | 01:45 |
| sisto | :P | 01:45 |
| wazd | More than that, you can go to Yakutsk | 01:46 |
| wazd | They have chilly -43 now O_o | 01:46 |
| wazd | I suddenly realised that I haven't faced such low temperature in my whole life :) | 01:47 |
| mavhc | -43 kelvin? | 01:48 |
| wazd | yep :) | 01:48 |
| sisto | mavhc: :P | 01:48 |
| wazd | damn, -43 C is extremly cold I guess | 01:49 |
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| mavhc | if you'd said -40 you'd be ok, unless I looked up weird scales on wikipedia | 01:51 |
| sisto | wazd: yes... i think the lowest i had was close to -5 or -10 | 01:51 |
| sisto | C | 01:51 |
| sisto | 0 C = 32 F | 01:52 |
| wazd | The lowest temperature in my life was about -35 C | 01:52 |
| wazd | When I was very young | 01:52 |
| wazd | But -43 is trully hardcore | 01:53 |
| ThatOneGuy | I cannot for the life of me, get this kernel module to build. can anyone help me? | 01:53 |
| sisto | the only kernel module I ever built was ndiswrapper :P | 01:54 |
| sisto | and I only had to follow the howto | 01:55 |
| woglinde | ThatOneGuy whats the problem? | 01:55 |
| woglinde | exactly | 01:55 |
| woglinde | install sratchbox | 01:56 |
| ThatOneGuy | got that | 01:56 |
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| woglinde | update to the latest diablo rev | 01:56 |
| woglinde | install kernel-header-package | 01:56 |
| ThatOneGuy | Im not compiling for diablo | 01:56 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:56 |
| ThatOneGuy | Im trying to compile the rtl8187 module for my 770 lol | 01:56 |
| ThatOneGuy | I thought I had it at one point, but when I tried to insmod it all I got was that 'Invalid format' error | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | heh, did you compile it on your PC? | 02:01 |
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| ThatOneGuy | yes | 02:01 |
| * Jaffa looks at the CSS niceness from webkit-eal on his tablet: http://webkit.org/blog/182/css-reflections/, for example | 02:02 | |
| ThatOneGuy | I think I used the rx-34 kernel sources when it worked. I think that's the problem. but I can't get it to compile with the 2.6 source | 02:03 |
| sisto | sorry i'm just asking out of curiosity... how do you compile arm stuff on the pc? you use a toolchain? | 02:04 |
| ThatOneGuy | scratchbox | 02:05 |
| Jaffa | sisto: Scratchbox, typically. Basically a chroot containing a cross-compiling toolchain | 02:05 |
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| Jaffa | Right. Proper bed now. | 02:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ThatOneGuy, rx-34 kernel sources are 2.6 | 02:08 |
| woglinde | hi qwerty | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey woglinde | 02:09 |
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| ThatOneGuy | oh, my bad. how can I fix that 'invalid format' error then? | 02:09 |
| sisto | ThatOneGuy: so you get invalid format when you try to mod probe ? | 02:09 |
| ThatOneGuy | yes | 02:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ThatOneGuy, what version is the kernel on your 770? | 02:10 |
| ThatOneGuy | 2.6.16.27-omap1 says uname -r | 02:11 |
| b-man | qwerty12_N800: how long did it take to install ubuntu on your computer? because it's been 4 hours and it is still checking install files. :p | 02:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | b-man, on my newer one? 30 mins :D. On my old one, I never tried... | 02:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ThatOneGuy, what version is the kernel sources you are compiling against? | 02:12 |
| * b-man shuld just give up and wait for his Dell Studio 15 :p | 02:12 | |
| sisto | ThatOneGuy: there's some stuff here you might want to read: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/20071114.html.gz | 02:12 |
| sisto | search for "invalid format" | 02:12 |
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| ThatOneGuy | qwerty, I'm not sure. I just got the rx-34 sources from the repo | 02:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | what's the name of the tarball then? | 02:14 |
| tehforum | Hello | 02:14 |
| tehforum | :) | 02:14 |
| sisto | tehforum: hi | 02:15 |
| ThatOneGuy | it just says kernel-source-rx-34 | 02:15 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 can't help but have this feeling that you compiled x86 modules... | 02:17 | |
| ThatOneGuy | they came from the bora repository | 02:17 |
| b-man | hi, tehforum :) | 02:18 |
| tehforum | hey, i think i saw you yesterday as well | 02:19 |
| tehforum | i'm just checking in | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 02:19 |
| * ShadowJK ponders | 02:19 | |
| tehforum | i need to get a new battery cover for my n810 | 02:19 |
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| b-man | tehforum: http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/Nokia-N810-Accessories.htm - hope this helps ;) | 02:22 |
| ThatOneGuy | qwerty12: would it help if I told you that the result of 'file r8187.ko' is '...ARM, version 1 (SYSV)...' while the modules that come with maemo return '...ARM, version 1 (ARM)...'? | 02:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably not as the fuse module I have says sysv but I now know not to trust my feelings :) | 02:24 |
| ThatOneGuy | but thats for n800 right? so did I somehow compile my module for 800 instead of 770? lol | 02:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | did you do a 'make nokia_n770_defconfig' in the source? is the module using that source to compile? | 02:26 |
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| ThatOneGuy | nope, I dont think I did anything like that. | 02:26 |
| ThatOneGuy | I was following a guide for the 800 though, I couldnt find anything for 770 :s | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's not nokia_n770_defconfig, not sure what it us. but doing that would help matters a lot. | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/us/is/ | 02:27 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: it's not nokia_n770_defconfig, not sure what it is. but doing that would help matters a lot. | 02:27 |
| ThatOneGuy | thanks qwerty, I'm going to start over... again lol | 02:28 |
| r2d2rogers | ThatOneGuy: I'm playing with Mer on my 770 now | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ahh, it's make n770_defconfig (thanks suihkulokki) | 02:31 |
| ThatOneGuy | Mer? | 02:31 |
| r2d2rogers | ubuntu base for freemantle ideas backporting at this point | 02:31 |
| r2d2rogers | ~mer | 02:31 |
| infobot | it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 02:31 |
| r2d2rogers | more for the N8x0's, but I'm getting help with trying it on a 770 too | 02:32 |
| lcuk | tehforum, this is a replacement cover + extra big memory card adapter - its done by someone in the community so if you are looking to buy a replacement would be good place to start | 02:32 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254304#post254304 | 02:32 |
| ThatOneGuy | am I "make n770_defconfig"ing the kernel source? | 02:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 02:33 |
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| ThatOneGuy | mkay, thanks | 02:33 |
| Stskeeps | i am gett | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | pft | 02:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's also a nice idea to run make in it and let it churn out an kernel image, although i don't think you'll need to be flashing it | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | stupid finger kbd | 02:34 |
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| fireun | where's my laser keyboard?! | 02:35 |
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| fireun | mistype and risk losing a fingertip | 02:36 |
| lcuk | lasers should activate if the user browses to facebook | 02:36 |
| fireun | no, that'd be the neuralshock | 02:37 |
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| Pio | it seems stuck at 48% | 02:53 |
| fireun | 48% neuroshock is the recomended level to start with | 02:54 |
| fireun | you dont want to make jello! | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | currently, if i want to do live direct instant dynamic audio i use the esound library. does anyone know of a viable realtime modifyable audio subsystem which works on maemo | 02:58 |
| lcuk | alternative ^ | 02:59 |
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| fireun | I dont really think of maemo as realtime anything, IMHO | 02:59 |
| lcuk | Fireun :) then you haven't seen my work | 03:00 |
| fireun | I would guess not | 03:00 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ my youtube videos show what ive been doing | 03:01 |
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| fireun | whats your aim? | 03:02 |
| fireun | seems like a super remote kinda intent | 03:03 |
| lcuk | personal, to lie back in bed and just doodle ideas and bring them to live :) | 03:03 |
| lcuk | life | 03:03 |
| pupnik | did any make usb audio drivers for maemo kernel? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | pupnik :D you may be the person to answer my question ^^ | 03:07 |
| woglinde | pupnik hm shouldnt be maemo specific | 03:07 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 03:07 |
| pupnik | what question | 03:07 |
| pupnik | and yes, lasers for facebook | 03:07 |
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| lcuk | but if i wanted to make my own tiny sound samples as part of the frame rendering and send them to the speakers quickly how would i do it | 03:07 |
| pupnik | bleeps and bloops? | 03:08 |
| pupnik | and clicks and swishes? | 03:08 |
| lcuk | esound is laggy unless the sample sounds are over 1kb | 03:08 |
| pupnik | did you ditch sdl? | 03:08 |
| pupnik | ah | 03:08 |
| lcuk | almost, fully dynamic though | 03:08 |
| lcuk | more real | 03:08 |
| pupnik | so synthesize them :) | 03:08 |
| lcuk | jagernot almost got it working but it still glitches | 03:09 |
| lcuk | i am | 03:09 |
| pupnik | cool | 03:09 |
| pupnik | ok then constantly output a stream to esound | 03:09 |
| lcuk | i can make it work but the mouse coords come in too often and it gets lag | 03:09 |
| lcuk | so i lift off and it doesnt catch up with hand for a time | 03:10 |
| pupnik | ah | 03:10 |
| lcuk | like old slow refresh screen | 03:10 |
| lcuk | if i set the sample size too low it doesnt run at all (i think) until esounds internal buffer reaches a threshhold | 03:10 |
| woglinde | hm isnt esound dead | 03:10 |
| lcuk | ie sending 128bytes is useless because it wont do anything until it gets more data | 03:10 |
| woglinde | I hope with fremantle it will | 03:11 |
| lcuk | woglinde, im only using it because jagernot uses it to great effect in his boxar demo | 03:11 |
| lcuk | its almost right for the dynamic stuff i wanna do | 03:11 |
| lcuk | i wanted wind noises as we scroll things | 03:11 |
| lcuk | someone mentioned flipping book pages whilst in the book reader | 03:12 |
| pupnik | nicde | 03:12 |
| pupnik | e | 03:12 |
| lcuk | just simple feedback :) | 03:12 |
| lcuk | pupnik, have you seen boxar? | 03:13 |
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| pupnik | no whagt's boxar | 03:16 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/boxar/ | 03:21 |
| lcuk | its like pyano on steroids :) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | very dynamic and attractive | 03:21 |
| lcuk | woglinde, what sound library should i use? can you show me a small example of sending a manually created buffer over :$ | 03:26 |
| woglinde | lcuk nope | 03:27 |
| woglinde | sorry | 03:27 |
| woglinde | sound is not my special thing | 03:27 |
| lcuk | now mine, i just want a blank canvas and see whether i can paint a picture for your ears | 03:28 |
| lcuk | not mine ^ | 03:28 |
| wazd | ViewSonic VieBook | 03:32 |
| wazd | lol, this name would definetely be banned in Russia :D | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | looks neat lcuk | 04:47 |
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| fifi | hola? ._. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 04:58 |
| fifi | o.o | 04:58 |
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| sisto | fifi: hola | 05:04 |
| fifi | hola | 05:04 |
| fifi | =P | 05:04 |
| sisto | hola | 05:04 |
| fifi | alguien por fin | 05:04 |
| sisto | :) | 05:05 |
| fifi | y sisto eres chico o chica? | 05:05 |
| sisto | chico | 05:05 |
| fifi | aah | 05:06 |
| fifi | sorry por la pregunta es ke yo tenia de nombre ceferino | 05:07 |
| fifi | xD | 05:07 |
| fifi | no se a kien rayos se le ocurrio ese nombre | 05:07 |
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| sisto | ceferino? | 05:08 |
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| monkeyiq | hi, anyone had a problem where the power and menu button stop working on an n810? | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | power, yes, menu, no. | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are they totally dead, or just inconsistent? | 05:28 |
| monkeyiq | they do nothing, but the device makes a button click sound | 05:28 |
| monkeyiq | I noticed it happen on a chinook device and now one with the latest diablo | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | did you install something? | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like powerlaunch | 05:29 |
| monkeyiq | the only hint I have is that I started using modest on the chinook one and just setup email on the diablo one last night | 05:30 |
| monkeyiq | so maybe modest has done something | 05:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unlikely | 05:30 |
| monkeyiq | I have personalmenus installed on both, I'll have to check out powerlaunch | 05:30 |
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| monkeyiq | its going to be *really* annoying to reflash (as the last resort) because I've just spent a few days making the diablo one setup nicely. | 05:31 |
| monkeyiq | did you manage to fix your problem with the power button? | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was intermittent | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | mce behaving badly, I think | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never bothered to track down the issue once it went away. | 05:32 |
| * monkeyiq thinks about trying to compile xev for the n810 | 05:32 | |
| monkeyiq | I was hoping to just clone the new diablo to the chinook machine to try to get around the problem. but as the diablo one is now doing the same thing :( | 05:33 |
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| monkeyiq | on a related note, I noticed a little while ago that the diablo one is not dimming its display anymore either | 05:35 |
| monkeyiq | which is how I noticed that the power button doesn't work (trying to lock the keypad) | 05:36 |
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| monkeyiq | I much preferred the previous battle of getting the native gnomevfs obex to mount through FUSE | 05:37 |
| monkeyiq | atleast it was closer to my home turf | 05:37 |
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| monkeyiq | kind of sad that you can get at a phone over obex through bt in the file manager, but canola/kagu are blocked from it. | 05:40 |
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| monkeyiq | it seems that obexftp doesn't like working natively, so I'm trying to get the gnomevfs stuff that comes with the device to loop through FUSE | 05:40 |
| monkeyiq | ok, luckily I think I stubled on what was blocking the buttons! | 05:41 |
| * monkeyiq tests again | 05:41 | |
| monkeyiq | yep, seems to be it, trying to autostart e-calendar and e-addressbook at boot | 05:43 |
| monkeyiq | I don't know why but they were stopping the buttons from doing their thing | 05:43 |
| monkeyiq | so I'll have to tweak how those get started, because I want scheduled syncevolution to work if the device is up | 05:46 |
| * monkeyiq dances around in joy at having solved the strange power button issue! | 05:47 | |
| monkeyiq | shame its gnomevfs and not gio based bluetooth... | 05:49 |
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| Macer | hm | 06:26 |
| Macer | guess kde is the best solution for real world use of my n800 | 06:27 |
| Macer | sure wish some of the apps were haxored tho.. as to fit within the screen | 06:27 |
| Macer | but they are usually settings screens.. once you get done with htem then they are pointless for quite awhile | 06:28 |
| Macer | it has koffice and prints with cups...i can eliminate my laptop | 06:28 |
| pupnik | you use a mouse with your N800 in te 'real world' then macer? | 06:46 |
| solmumaha | morning | 06:49 |
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| alex_mayorga | Hi | 07:11 |
| alex_mayorga | Anyone knows if Palm's webOS would run under maemo? | 07:12 |
| johnx | not unless they open source it and someone ports it | 07:12 |
| alex_mayorga | Ok so it's not like garnet, then? | 07:13 |
| johnx | well, Access has the rights to the old PalmOS. That's why have the knowledge and the legal ability to distribute GarnetVM | 07:14 |
| johnx | And the reason Garnet works so quickly on our hardware is that it's really emulating a 20+ year old chip | 07:14 |
| johnx | WebOS probably needs nothing less than an OMAP3 to be fast, so emulating it would be (just a guess here) 24x slower than real time | 07:15 |
| alex_mayorga | Well, I've just got my n800 this Christmas, can somebody point me to the must haves for now? Thanks in advance | 07:15 |
| pupnik | xterm | 07:16 |
| johnx | canola2 + youtube plugin, FBReader, xchat, maemo mapper, quicknote, xarchiver | 07:16 |
| pupnik | ssh | 07:16 |
| johnx | and cbrpager if you want to read scanned comic books | 07:17 |
| pupnik | does cbrpager decompress the entire book first? or is seeking possible within zip/rar? | 07:17 |
| johnx | pupnik, it seems to decompress a page at a time, into memory, not somewhere on the fs | 07:17 |
| pupnik | oh nice | 07:17 |
| johnx | it even scrolls nicely with the latest xserver updates | 07:18 |
| alex_mayorga | Thanks guys | 07:18 |
| pupnik | 'comix' unpacks the entire archive into /tmp first | 07:18 |
| pupnik | ok, thanks. | 07:18 |
| johnx | alex_mayorga, the real first thing is to make sure your software is up to date :) | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | i like 'quiver' for image viewing | 07:18 |
| alex_mayorga | Os2008 you mean? | 07:18 |
| johnx | alex_mayorga, but the latest update to OS2008 :) | 07:19 |
| johnx | if you have your tablet in front of you what does system -> control panel -> about product say for the version? | 07:19 |
| alex_mayorga | 5.2008.43-7 | 07:21 |
| pupnik | omg, evince is *so* much faster starting up than kpdf | 07:21 |
| pupnik | 20-30x on this box | 07:21 |
| johnx | alex_mayorga, yup. that's the latest. just making sure :) | 07:22 |
| alex_mayorga | I'm here on pidgin on the tablwt :) | 07:22 |
| johnx | ah, then your first step is xchat :) | 07:22 |
| alex_mayorga | Ok, it's sleepy time now so I'll check it out tomorrow | 07:23 |
| alex_mayorga | Hope you wont mind me asking newbie questions all over :D | 07:24 |
| johnx | nah, go for it :) | 07:24 |
| johnx | generally a pretty friendly channel. just be sure to do some reading too :) | 07:24 |
| alex_mayorga | Thanks you're real nice, see you around then, bye now | 07:25 |
| pupnik | cheers | 07:25 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 07:35 |
| * rm_you dies for another week | 07:35 | |
| johnx | poke rm_you | 07:36 |
| johnx | infobot, poke rm_you | 07:36 |
| * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind rm_you, pokes rm_you repeatedly, hilarity ensues. | 07:36 | |
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| doc|home | is canola broken? not really updating its media library for audio files for me even though I've said to look at both cards | 09:54 |
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| pupnik | sony displayed rollable/flexible OLEDs at CES 2009 | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 11:09 |
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| RzR | someone called me ? | 11:22 |
| RST38h | ehlo Sts | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | RzR: think it was r2d2rogers last night about mer on 770 | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | morning RST38h | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: so seems like there's 24/32 bit work being done for sapwood :) | 11:24 |
| RzR | ok i'll find him | 11:24 |
| RzR | thx Stskeeps | 11:24 |
| RzR | are u guys going to fosdem ? | 11:24 |
| RzR | i plan to | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally not | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | hoping to go to next maemo summit when that time is though | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | also, i'm willing to bet i'll get in a fist fight if i get drunk and start discussing GPL.. | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | which probably isn't a good thing :) | 11:26 |
| * Stskeeps eats his breakfast | 11:27 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Weird, does it mean they are gonna used 24bpp LCD? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not sure really, just weird work started on it | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | RGBA code is there at least | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/sapwood/ChangeLog | 11:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, standard, stock kernel that boots from rootfs is in my webspace for mer @ tspre | 11:49 |
| zetheroo | is it possible to share folders on the N810 over the network? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: thanks, zImage? | 11:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep & a very tiny patch for reference | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | thanks! | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | np :) | 11:50 |
| zetheroo | is file and folder sharing on the N810 possible? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | will you kill me if i ask for a init=/sbin/tablet.startup or something like that?, qwerty12? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | will make me able to have all three modes in same jffs2 image so | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, init=/sbin/init.tablet | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, nope because most objects are compiled and it should take less than a minute to make a new kernel with the already compiled objects (barring the cmdline change) :D | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright, ta | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | that means i'll be able to make N800 tar.gz, .zImage & .jffs2 and a 770 tar.gz using imager now :) | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/zImage_inittablet.tar.bz2 | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | wicked :) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | thanks! | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | so what happened when you tried to boot maemo? mayhem? | 11:56 |
| qwerty12 | I saw the bar so I knew it was booting from rootfs as fb-progress is not in initfs and the bar got to the end, it didn't show the nokia splash and shut off :P | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:58 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly what went wrong in last xchat compile attempt | 12:07 | |
| qwerty12 | Jaiku not posting "build xchat"? :P | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | Anyway, you're welcome to tinker with it to get it to compile :P | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | i was more curious about the Failed to fetch http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.8.6-mer1.dsc Hash Sum mismatch | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, that was laziness on my part | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | and it posts it if you do build xchat (random ext) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | building it | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, I know - jaiku or my firefox was fucking about | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | jaiku :P | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | Don't think jaiku likes "build xchat" being written so much times :-) | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | which is why we add the ()'s :)( | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, the builder ignores extra symbols? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | it understands build package=version, and ignores the rest | 12:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Wicked, I thought I'd caused it to build multiple times by hammering jaiku with build xchat, build xchat... :P | 12:12 |
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| * qwerty12 introduces jaiku to me middle finger | 12:12 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Sts: Would be a major problem if they switched to 24bpp though | 12:12 |
| RST38h | About twice as much time will be needed to transfer images | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | or just supporting those archs in sapwood | 12:14 |
| qwerty12 | fuck, if you autogen xchat, make sure that it doesn't remove any of the modfications^H^H^H^Hhacks to get it to compile cleanly under mer sdk | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | which hacks, btw? | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | I wish I could say that I remembered :/ - I think to the Makefile.am files in the po folder mainly | 12:18 |
| * Stskeeps is looking a bit at the build | 12:18 | |
| qwerty12 | Then again, I don't think autogen touches makefile.am | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clutter had some 16bpp patches | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont be 24bpp | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | k, got it to build - when you upload the source package, don't include ./configure | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | then it will build sanely | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | as it will run autogen.sh then | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | remove the libtoolize --force thing again | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | also, depend on automake1.9 | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, I remember depending on autotools-dev - what automake version is in that? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | neither | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | fuck | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | This package installs an up-to-date (from CVS) version of config.guess and config.sub, used by the automake and libtool packages. It provides the canonical copy of those files for other packages as well. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, those fixes fix it | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Hah, thanks, I'll remember that | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | automake1.10 is ok too | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Hrm, I thought you built it already. Want me to send another source package? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i just chrooted to the builder instance directory and tried to see what would be needed to build | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | cleaning out the failed builds, sec | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | basically when a build fails i leave the corpse of the build on the disk so we can go in and see why it failed | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | (on x86) | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | CSI : Mer | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | there, all clear | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | ok, lemme fix it up :) | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, no wonder i thought this jffs thing was a little too small, didnt finish running yet :P | 12:35 |
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| qwerty12 | My jffs2 image was 139MB :P | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | After sumtooling it, it became 146 | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | Morning | 12:36 |
| qwerty12 | morning Jaffa | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | you must really admire nokia developers at times | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, 770 with 128mb flash.. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | no wonder they had to shrink things that much | 12:37 |
| lcuk | morning jaffa | 12:38 |
| lcuk | sts/qwerty/everyone :) | 12:38 |
| mavhc | as memory prices drop so fast it's daft to make any part non changable | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | hi lcuk :) | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yay! :) | 12:39 |
| lcuk | mavhc, but having it changable changes what you can reasonably expect to exist | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: woo!, now let's see if it passes the big door :P | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :P | 12:41 |
| * qwerty12 wishes I had been first with uploading xchat to extras, I'd have made the locale packages into one package like I've done with the Mer build :/ | 12:42 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm reading a research paper on IM/SMS and such.. 'For example, in 1929, ... reported that the telephone and the depersonalized communications it offered were in part responsible for the increased sexual liberation of teeagers" | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | +n | 12:42 |
| lcuk | it was all that button humping on the morse key | 12:43 |
| mavhc | didn't socrates say "kids today are much worse than my generation"? | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wonder what we have to do to provide let's say a vmware image too :P | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's fairly easy to make things bootable on x86 so | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | (install grub, :P) | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | and a kernel image | 12:47 |
| * Stskeeps tails the build log | 12:50 | |
| lcuk | i would hope its still sane enough to allow me to do full dev | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: log for you | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, saw the error | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | that was one of my hacks :> | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: ctrl-alt-f1 and logging in is a godsend | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | (i work with it at work) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | the key combination, it does nothing | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | on linux it sure does :P | 12:52 |
| lcuk | (on windows :D) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | we actually use mer full time at work, heh | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | not always with hildon on, but we use it :P | 12:53 |
| lcuk | which WM do you use | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | matchbox | 12:53 |
| lcuk | cool | 12:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, actually, that makes me wonder, can you chvt in mer without insmodding bitblit, fbcon etc | 12:53 |
| lcuk | and the building of required debs is getting easier i gather | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well right now we have all those laoded | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wicked, I don't care if they are loaded, I mean without with me insmodding them :P :) | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: we have fbcon on automatically, so :P | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, gathered when I saw it booting up :) | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, which systems do you run mer on then, x86?omap3?800s? | 13:02 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: do you work on mer at work,then? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it's actually part of my job description currently, we don't use all parts, but some stuff | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: x86 atm | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: (and yes, i have an agreement to open source any non-healthcare related work, so) | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | it's mostly about creating systems that easily can be adapted to both desktop/set top boxes and to mobile devices | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | so if we have some omap board or a n8x0 tablet, we can put our pervasive healthcare systems on top of it | 13:07 |
| lcuk | heh, even if it was to do with picking fruit you wouldv found some way to involve your nokias :P | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | they get someone who's been playing with unix since he was 8 and knows how solve problems, i get to play with what i like to do :) | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 13:07 |
| lcuk | ahhh Stskeeps , i didnt think qwerty worked for your company as well | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | if i had a company, i'd hire qwerty12 :P | 13:08 |
| lcuk | "ub3r haxx0r" | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stop that, you're making me blush :P | 13:09 |
| * lcuk shows qwerty page 49 from the IBM server catalogue | 13:09 | |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: due to the close connection to our mobility group at uni i can get nokia devices for experimentation if i need them, they have a forum nokia contact/sponsorship thing, so :P | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I don't have the catalogue :D | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | ( http://www.daimi.au.dk/mobile/ ) | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | There's some cool projects there | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it's really a vibrant environment to be in | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | but from september that's probably over with for now, so i need to find other employment at that point | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | (as i graduate there) | 13:15 |
| * RST38h has to install fortune cookie database at Komkon | 13:16 | |
| lcuk | before september then maybe sure you commit yourself to svn | 13:16 |
| lcuk | we wanna be able to restore you and carry on the good stuff | 13:16 |
| RST38h | it had a nice quote about the nature of graduation | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:16 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ah? | 13:16 |
| aquatix | morning all btw | 13:16 |
| lcuk | morning | 13:17 |
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| pupnik | Stskeeps: get another degree | 13:30 |
| pupnik | heh nm me | 13:30 |
| pupnik | good day all | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: i think i'll be more than happy with my masters for now.. and there's the possibility of moving to another country with the gf, so | 13:31 |
| lcuk | heh, somehow i imagine sts getting enough degrees till hes a full circle | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | not with being so school tired.. | 13:31 |
| lcuk | "heh | 13:32 |
| lcuk | who wants a brew? | 13:32 |
| * aquatix is tired of `school' too | 13:33 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: memememe! :) | 13:33 |
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| * aquatix passes around some too | 13:33 | |
| lcuk | ok aquatix, but umm you have to go to the shop and get some milk :P :D | 13:35 |
| aquatix | awww | 13:36 |
| lcuk | ahhh no, tis ok the milkmans been | 13:36 |
| aquatix | already went to the shop | 13:36 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 13:36 |
| lcuk | our milkman is great, he will basically deliver anything on his round | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | We don't even have a milkman here :/. Think all the supermarkets cost them out of a job :/ | 13:37 |
| lcuk | but i feel uncomfortable having him bringing bacon and eggs and leaving them on the step | 13:37 |
| lcuk | heh qwerty12 :) its upto the local community to keep the community alive | 13:37 |
| lcuk | support local services and shops more than large chains :) | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, heh, too late for that here :/. There's an decent sized Tesco not far from me at all and it's always busy | 13:38 |
| lcuk | yeah, we just had a morrisons open right near work and its always full, but what about the small local shops which were around. i make sure i still shop there :) | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, we have a food store that's from the corner from us - we sometimes go there if we need something quickly but Tesco being big and all does tend to be cheaper :) | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | yeah thats a given, we do big shops in asda etc ourselves | 13:41 |
| lcuk | and qwerty12 sometimes being cheaper isnt always the best thing, i specifically bought xmas cards from local newsagents - primarily because that newsagent pays lukes wages (for his paper round) | 13:42 |
| qwerty12 | true, true but I don't have any special obligation to shop in a local store | 13:43 |
| lcuk | not now maybe, but if they all closed down cos they had no business it wouldnt help you in future | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, not likely to happen anytime soon :). I live near the always busy Green Street | 13:45 |
| lcuk | cool | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | s/sure/sure if/ | 13:47 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure if the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all | 13:47 |
| lcuk | jesus i bet | 13:47 |
| lcuk | wouldnt it be cool if asda would move their shelves twice a week and let the traders in with their original real stalls :D | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :D | 13:48 |
| lcuk | best of both worlds :) | 13:48 |
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| roope | Hello. | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 13:50 |
| lcuk | hiya roope | 13:50 |
| roope | Hi lcuk. :) | 13:50 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, any idea how i make a tiny script to change my directory, ive been sick of typing "cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld" everytime i open a console.. | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | You could use an alias | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: alias probably will do the trick | 13:51 |
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| qwerty12 | alias liqbasedir="cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld" | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | Shove it in your ~/.profile to make it automatically set that alias each time you open a terminal | 13:53 |
| lcuk | and then i just type that instead :D cool thanks | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: hmm, how outdated is the last known open source browser ui, btw? | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I don't think it's ever been open sourced. The newest one will be the fremantle one | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:54 |
| alterego | w00t, my new TV has arrived :) | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder what https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/ is | 13:55 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-23-14:~# gotoliqbase | 13:55 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase# | 13:55 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:55 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | np :D | 13:55 |
| lcuk | shame it doesnt come up in autocomplete :P | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Blame it on ash :P | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | bash shows it | 13:56 |
| lcuk | i tried all different ways (including once almost screwing up everything by setting a symlink from /dev.. | 13:56 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 13:56 | |
| lcuk | roope, are you the roope we know? | 13:56 |
| roope | Yes, the Nokia Roope. :) | 13:56 |
| roope | Just popping in to check out the channel. | 13:57 |
| roope | Haven't been here for a while. | 13:57 |
| lcuk | heh yeah we dont see you often | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | how was your xmas and new year? | 13:57 |
| roope | Work is keeping us busy. Which is a good thing, I guess. :) | 13:57 |
| roope | Too short, as usual. :) How about you? | 13:58 |
| lcuk | heh, some of us have 2 fulltime jobs :) :S | 13:58 |
| lcuk | its good, im a bit behind personal schedule but things are looking nice | 13:58 |
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| zap_ | RST38h: hi! does your calculator implement factorial? I can't find it | 13:59 |
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| jakemaheu | morning all | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | morning | 14:49 |
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| * pupnik wants monitors to be 3D already | 15:05 | |
| pupnik | like that zalman with alternate-polarity lines | 15:05 |
| towo | I'd rather have full immersive AR. | 15:15 |
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| rZr | talking about AR projects ? | 15:32 |
| rZr | AR on handset is fun | 15:32 |
| rZr | i hacked a bit on this lately | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | AR? augmented reality? | 15:33 |
| rZr | yes diminished virtuality | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | i want a truly 2d monitor. so thin it will slice your fingers off if you try to pick it up | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you know how you made me an alias, can i do the same for all my code? | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and then smashes as it drops :) | 15:50 |
| lcuk | of course it wouldnt smash, it would simply pass through the earth | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hmm, to run shell commands? yes | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/shell// | 15:51 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: lcuk, hmm, to run commands? yes | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | thats actually a really nice thing, ive just made "goliqbase" and it gets me to where i need quickly - in the long run i will have to move to developing on a more stable platform | 15:52 |
| lcuk | where i can (i think) just reconnect to an existing session | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: along with xchat, can you make a base64 metapackage (depending on coreutils too) when you're back at your desktop? | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yes, i forgot about that one :/ | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, no need to be :/ about that | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | i had totally forgotten about it too :) | 15:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | we're getting closer to a point where we can basically just add updates repository from nokia :P | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | and apt-get install some stuff | 15:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a wide grin on his face after hearing that :) | 15:57 | |
| * lcuk agrees | 15:57 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 sets mode +verruca salt | 15:58 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I WANT WIFI WITH WPA :p | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: only problem is bashisms in ICD etc | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bashisms? busybox uses ash | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | satashisms them | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | it has statements like if [ x == y ] | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | which breaks things | 15:59 |
| lcuk | stsisms | 16:01 |
| RST38h | http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2007/04/at_last_the_rhinogradentians_p.php | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 16:02 |
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| slonopotamus | oh my | 16:31 |
| slonopotamus | i've done something strange ;) | 16:31 |
| slonopotamus | my gentoo cross-built chroot seems to be runnng on tablet | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | EABI? | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | eabi | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | syncing porttage tree right now | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | didn't make native rwbuikd yet | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 16:34 |
| lcuk | even though you started it in 2005 :P | 16:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :p | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | uh? ;) | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | it's not gentoo fault | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | and not mine | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | of course its not, im ribbing you but at same time am impressed | 16:35 |
| slonopotamus | many cross-build-unfriendly packages | 16:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I think he's referring to the time you'll have to wait to compile a program to run it - or if not, that's what i'm laughing at ;) | 16:36 |
| slonopotamus | first they ignore you... ;) | 16:36 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, if anyone has been working for a long time on a labour of love its me :) | 16:36 |
| slonopotamus | planning to publish howto on building cross-image | 16:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ...then they get their glocks and shoot you | 16:37 |
| slonopotamus | and image itself after native rebuild | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | its hard work turning an ugly hack into a polished usable api | 16:37 |
| lcuk | im still not sure ive done it right, but im trying anyway :) | 16:37 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, what are you referring as ugly hack to? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | my liqbase :) | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | could you rename it? | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | i always read it as liBqbase | 16:39 |
| lcuk | well you will get even worse: ive written libliqbase ;) | 16:39 |
| slonopotamus | omg | 16:39 |
| lcuk | :D yeah i know, it hurt my head as well, but i like the core name now and to rename it would be bad. anyway its only the core low level stuff, lots of things will go ontop of it with their own names | 16:40 |
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| slonopotamus | so... place your bets whether it will manage to rebuuild natively frrom the first pass | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, we'll see i guess | 16:44 |
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| jakemaheu | ~seen solca | 16:45 |
| infobot | solca is currently on #maemo (3d 3h 11m 15s), last said: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'. | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we're also pushing https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution at the moment btw (the first request thing) | 16:48 |
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| slonopotamus | i still don't understand | 16:52 |
| slonopotamus | initfs is _already_ on tablet | 16:52 |
| slonopotamus | use stuff from it and be happy | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, but imagine you'd want to distribute a initfs with bootmenu already included, for instance | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it makes more sense for those of us who wants to tinker in initfs | 16:53 |
| slonopotamus | build script that takes initfs, hacks it and flashes back | 16:54 |
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| slonopotamus | you'll need to use flasher anyway | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon wazd | 16:54 |
| slonopotamus | ahha. you need to put your initfs on tablet somehow ;) so you'll have some script that'll call flasher | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, the final idea is to be able to provide a full FIASCO image | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | full as in initfs, rootfs, kernel | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's a bit contrary to the gentoo idea :) | 16:56 |
| slonopotamus | that's tooo binary for me ;) | 16:59 |
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| wazd | Hello everybody) | 17:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 17:06 |
| wazd | google has changed its favicon again | 17:07 |
| wazd | I think they have nothing to do really) | 17:07 |
| housetier | they are desperate to stay in the headlines | 17:07 |
| jakemaheu | i saw that | 17:12 |
| jakemaheu | i though wtf when i saw it tho | 17:12 |
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| * Stskeeps notes h-a-m doesn't compile in Mer, at all, nor the fremantle version | 17:19 | |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | i should prod m-vo next time he's around | 17:19 |
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| Meizirkki | the new libhildonfm (whatever it's called) has kinetic scrolling but looks weird | 17:20 |
| Meizirkki | in Mer | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, cos of our auto updates | 17:20 |
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| wazd | damn ISP | 17:21 |
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| jakemaheu | lol | 17:22 |
| jakemaheu | lol/ | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hah, my isp is decent but my router not... | 17:22 |
| jakemaheu | danm xchat | 17:22 |
| jakemaheu | who do you use? | 17:22 |
| jakemaheu | i use *shudder* comcaST | 17:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm on Be/O2 UK's broadband. My sister has a mobile phone contract with them so the broadband is cheaper :p | 17:23 |
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| jakemaheu | i wantverizon fios | 17:26 |
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| jakemaheu | 5mb up/20mb down for $50/month | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hmm. osso-xterm crashes in some termcap thing | 17:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, any idea of what it is trying to do? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | looking | 17:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm working on Mer wallpaper now, as promissed :) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i really wonder if it would just be better to upgrade libvte.. | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it would be :), while it's nice having maemo components, I don't agree with using old libraries from maemo - especially one that is used by one app... | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i really think it borders on glib/gtk changes so | 17:40 |
| Gadgetoid | Huzzah! | 17:40 |
| jakemaheu | is there an open-source flasher for windows? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | maybe 0xFFFF, but not sure if its for windows | 17:42 |
| jakemaheu | a | 17:42 |
| Gadgetoid | lcuk lives! | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nay, 0xffff crashes when ran under windows. You can flash the kernel from the tablet itself | 17:42 |
| lcuk | pardon? | 17:42 |
| jakemaheu | fiasco-flasher | 17:42 |
| jakemaheu | right? | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 17:42 |
| lcuk | when did i die? | 17:42 |
| slonopotamus | fix: you can crash the kernel from the tablet itself | 17:43 |
| * lcuk didnt get the memo | 17:43 | |
| Gadgetoid | I don't know, I just haven't been here since I sent back the N810 to nokia | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jakemaheu, But if this is for your guide, give a warning that you can't flash from android... | 17:43 |
| jakemaheu | well, kinda | 17:43 |
| Gadgetoid | I never did manage to figure out how to use the N810 phone | 17:43 |
| jakemaheu | i can't remember whre i put my ubuntop | 17:44 |
| jakemaheu | it's the only other thing that run a type of linux | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Gadgetoid, serious or sarcasm? | 17:44 |
| Gadgetoid | Sarcasm, sorry :) | 17:44 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:44 |
| * aquatix wouldn't mind to have a maemo phone | 17:44 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Sorry, that's me :) | 17:44 |
| jakemaheu | does anyone here have one of those dealextreme usb charging cables? | 17:44 |
| jakemaheu | i ordered one and it shipped yesterday | 17:45 |
| slonopotamus | openpty failed: 'out of pty devices' from chroot. anybody knows what to do with it? google doesn't say anything meaningful | 17:45 |
| Gadgetoid | If you can put Android on the N800, can't you put Maemo on the G1? | 17:45 |
| jakemaheu | nope | 17:45 |
| Gadgetoid | You're clearly not trying hard enough! | 17:45 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 17:46 |
| jakemaheu | ~time | 17:46 |
| infobot | 2009.01.10 15:46:36 GMT | 17:46 |
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| jakemaheu | thanks, infobot! | 17:46 |
| RST38h | slnopotamus: create more /dev/pty* devices | 17:46 |
| slonopotamus | oh my... it builds! it builds! | 17:46 |
| jakemaheu | my cable should be here in a few days | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i agree with that Gadgetoid, Mer should be ported to g1, iphone, wii and anything else with a cpu and touchscreen ;) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: although I suggest to check what is wrong instead =) | 17:47 |
| jakemaheu | what builds, what builds? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: missing dev/pts? | 17:47 |
| jakemaheu | the wii has a touchscreen? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | slonopotamus, echo 666 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max :p i think | 17:47 |
| lcuk | ok, anything that doesnt use a mouse ;) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Maybe it should be advanced to the point where it can replace official tablet firmware first? =) | 17:47 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 17:47 |
| slonopotamus | not so fast ;) | 17:47 |
| jakemaheu | laptops? | 17:47 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:47 |
| Gadgetoid | I love my iPhone, but it's not linuxey enough | 17:47 |
| jakemaheu | laptops don't use mice | 17:47 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, gentoo on n800 | 17:47 |
| lcuk | /ignore Gadgetoid | 17:47 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, touchscreen laptops even dont use touchscreen properly :) | 17:48 |
| Gadgetoid | Whoops, bad idea to let on that I own a satanPhone | 17:48 |
| jakemaheu | i use a touchscreen toughbook | 17:48 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 17:48 |
| slonopotamus | dev/pts is empty | 17:48 |
| * qwerty12_N800 adds Gadgetoid to Maemo's hit list :p | 17:48 | |
| RST38h | Gadgetoid: In what pose do you usually love your iPhone? =) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | dont you find it annoying to have to aim for tiny little scrollbars and stuff? | 17:48 |
| jakemaheu | it actually works pretty well, but there isn't any scrolling | 17:48 |
| jakemaheu | moving is a pain, as it only recognizes clicks | 17:49 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 17:49 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, the ui is mouse oriented | 17:49 |
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| jakemaheu | yeah | 17:49 |
| slonopotamus | n800 has only /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1 | 17:49 |
| jakemaheu | it' actually pretty good | 17:49 |
| lcuk | liqbase runs nicely on my big tablet :) | 17:49 |
| jakemaheu | yay | 17:49 |
| Gadgetoid | RST38h: the Phone is very secretive about its exploits in the bedroom, I couldn't possibly tell! | 17:49 |
| jakemaheu | windows? | 17:49 |
| lcuk | gtfo | 17:49 |
| lcuk | linux :) | 17:49 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 17:49 |
| Gadgetoid | "Tablet Windows" is an oxymoron | 17:49 |
| jakemaheu | don't worry, i use an ubuntop | 17:49 |
| Gadgetoid | Unless you're referring to the neccesity of headache tablets to the task of enduring windows | 17:50 |
| jakemaheu | lol i haven't touched my tablet in a week | 17:50 |
| jakemaheu | i just got it back | 17:50 |
| lcuk | repair? | 17:51 |
| jakemaheu | nope, mom | 17:51 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:51 |
| * aquatix loves windows | 17:51 | |
| RST38h | confiscated your beloved tablet? | 17:51 |
| aquatix | they provide a nice view generally | 17:51 |
| aquatix | and fresh air when needed | 17:51 |
| RST38h | aquatix: same question as for gadgetoid | 17:51 |
| jakemaheu | yup | 17:51 |
| aquatix | RST38h: hm? | 17:51 |
| jakemaheu | /ignore * | 17:51 |
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| jakemaheu | hey qwerty! | 17:52 |
| aquatix | RST38h: if people start confiscating my stuff, persons will get hurt :) | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, hi :P :) | 17:52 |
| jakemaheu | i hate typing on my dad's netbook (it's what i'm on now) | 17:52 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, since you remember me and my stuff, get voting for it :P http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 17:52 |
| jakemaheu | has anyone tried the new script for nitdroid? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | i hadnt released anything last time you were here i dont think | 17:52 |
| jakemaheu | http://www.jakemaheu.com/nitdroid_complete.sh | 17:53 |
| Gadgetoid | lcuk: You're an oblong genius with lasers! | 17:53 |
| jakemaheu | it's a public beta | 17:53 |
| Gadgetoid | I wish I had an N800 right now | 17:53 |
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| jakemaheu | why | 17:53 |
| lcuk | i mounted the last laser i owned directly onto that cat, it kept me entertained for hours | 17:53 |
| lcuk | i had to modify the shark mount to get it to work correctly | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Fixing xchat package. This should be the last version that I send or i'll add you to my own hit list :P | 17:54 |
| Gadgetoid | Haha! | 17:54 |
| jakemaheu | lol infinite recursion-- cat edition | 17:54 |
| Gadgetoid | The rate the Pandora is going, the N800 temptation just keeps on rising | 17:54 |
| jakemaheu | shark + cat +frickin laser beams | 17:55 |
| aquatix | lcuk: now there's an idea | 17:55 |
| lcuk | it was difficult getting the cat used to wearing a mask and snorkel | 17:55 |
| aquatix | *snort* | 17:55 |
| jakemaheu | i wish app manager wouldn't create an extras entry in my menu every effing time i try to install something | 17:56 |
| jakemaheu | i put in custom categories for a reason | 17:56 |
| lcuk | hint :: rename extras instead of removing it | 17:56 |
| jakemaheu | what do you mean? | 17:57 |
| lcuk | new stuff goes into the renamed entry instead of recreating it | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | But not every app asks you where the menu entry wants to go and the entry has to go somewhere ;) | 17:57 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 17:57 |
| jakemaheu | that is what really bugs me | 17:57 |
| lcuk | mine is called "extras + games" | 17:57 |
| jakemaheu | i've got: internet, communication, utilities, settings, media, games | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | Blame it on the package maintainer, I always make sure that any packages I put out ask the user where the desktop file wants to go | 17:57 |
| jakemaheu | and i don't have to scroll | 17:57 |
| lcuk | qwerty fuck you and your packaging :P | 17:58 |
| jakemaheu | then it adds extras and i do | 17:58 |
| jakemaheu | i've got liqbase in media | 17:58 |
| aquatix | jakemaheu: you nuked the `my selection' one? | 17:58 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 17:58 |
| aquatix | good idea | 17:58 |
| jakemaheu | that was stupid | 17:58 |
| lcuk | ive got ideas about "My selection" | 17:58 |
| jakemaheu | to have it | 17:58 |
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| slonopotamus | aaargh! it works! it builds! | 17:59 |
| jakemaheu | yay | 17:59 |
| aquatix | quick, kill it | 17:59 |
| jakemaheu | it better not create an extras entry | 17:59 |
| * Stskeeps pushes a congratulatory vodka bottle over to slonopotamus | 17:59 | |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, i was playing with the menus http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253955 | 17:59 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, SHIP IT! | 17:59 |
| jakemaheu | oh boy | 17:59 |
| slonopotamus | my n8x0-gentoo has just built its first package! it works! damn, that's better than sex | 17:59 |
| aquatix | lcuk: another great idea ;) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | shame i got told off for recreating the desktop :$ | 18:00 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: :) | 18:00 |
| Gadgetoid | Why would you put gentoo on an n8x0, when you can use ZipSlack? | 18:00 |
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| slonopotamus | wtf is zipslack? | 18:00 |
| aquatix | lcuk: i don't like the icons on the `desktop', but the menu items on the left sound sensible | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid: not sure that's out for eabi | 18:00 |
| aquatix | oh wait | 18:01 |
| aquatix | are those the menu's? | 18:01 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: how exactly does that work? :) | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, i dont either, but as a menu it might work, the "desktop" area should be for whatever widgets the user wants | 18:01 |
| Gadgetoid | slonopotam: Google is your friend :) | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, hater :P | 18:01 |
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| jakemaheu | the thing is that even if it asks you where to put it, it still creates the empty category | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | i can use your zipslack on the go | 18:02 |
| lcuk | aquatix, you have seen the phyiscs view :: very dynamic resizing of elements. clicking a menu header dynamically expands the items in that group for easy finger use whilst simply reducing the others - all still accessible but the others are also still available | 18:02 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: interesting | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, yes, you are right, the desktop file has to be installed first before the option to choose can be ran | 18:02 |
| aquatix | lcuk: yep | 18:03 |
| jakemaheu | it makes me rage that if i put in a bug it'll say "fixd in fremantle" | 18:03 |
| jakemaheu | but it won't | 18:03 |
| jakemaheu | i heard that samba will be gone in fremantle | 18:03 |
| lcuk | they might shock you and say "fixed in harmattan" | 18:03 |
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| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, read that as 'won't be fixed for your device' | 18:03 |
| jakemaheu | that would suck | 18:03 |
| jakemaheu | i kinda miss the tiny menus | 18:04 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device? | 18:04 |
| lcuk | they only said they are concentrating on the next one | 18:04 |
| jakemaheu | i sold my friend my 770 | 18:04 |
| Gadgetoid | ZipSlack is revolutionary, only 100 MB and can run from your existing file system! | 18:04 |
| jakemaheu | he set a lock code and forgot it over break-- any way to fix it? | 18:04 |
| slonopotamus | Gadgetoid, you're several years late | 18:05 |
| jakemaheu | it has no ssh or cloned os | 18:05 |
| slonopotamus | Gadgetoid, i have 8gb sd card | 18:05 |
| Gadgetoid | Nooo! 100 mb is enough for anybody! | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, ah, for N800, I made an custom initfs image that displayed the lock code as it was booting up. No idea how it would work for 770... | 18:06 |
| aquatix | slonopotamus: i'm even thinking about getting that 16GB microsd from sandisk | 18:06 |
| lcuk | how the hell did people used to ship entire operating systems on a single floppy disk? | 18:06 |
| jakemaheu | any ideas? | 18:06 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: not including graphics and other newfangled stuff? | 18:06 |
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| Gadgetoid | lcuk: It was easy when they didn't have to idiot-proof them! | 18:06 |
| jakemaheu | i heard that i can flash it and that'll remove the locked setting, but not the code | 18:07 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, "it'll say "fixed in fremantle" but it won't" - what do you mean by that? | 18:07 |
| aquatix | and only supporting a limited set of hardware | 18:07 |
| lcuk | aquatix, granted, media is a big space filler | 18:07 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, well... even if it will, it will be slow | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, why slow? | 18:07 |
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| Gadgetoid | lcuk: you're welcome to write a modern floppy disk based OS, but you'll have to bundle it with a USB floppy drive :) | 18:07 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, because nokia will target at faster cpu | 18:08 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, i meant capacity - you lot are all talking about 100mb oses and stuff | 18:08 |
| wazd | can I sue an ISP for it's sexual orientation? | 18:08 |
| lcuk | ??? what does the target cpu have to do with anything? | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, and because they can make any more money from n8x0 users ;) | 18:08 |
| jakemaheu | andre__: they have a habit of saying things are fixed when they aren't | 18:08 |
| jakemaheu | or not able to be reproduced | 18:08 |
| Gadgetoid | lcuk: I'm just waiting for someone to call me out on the absurdities of evangelizing ZipSlack, but it's just too obscure | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, diablo runs on n770. does it have good performance? | 18:09 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, errr.... well, at least for core issues you can test yourself on fremantle - the pre alpha sdk is available | 18:09 |
| jakemaheu | qwerty12: can you send it to me@ jake@jakemaheu.com? | 18:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: pong?) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, i dunno | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: .. ping? | 18:09 |
| aquatix | Gadgetoid: it's slackware, why would i want that on any of my devices? | 18:09 |
| aquatix | Gadgetoid: there, done ;) | 18:09 |
| jakemaheu | i love having my name as y website | 18:10 |
| jakemaheu | s/y/my | 18:10 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Does Mer have any logo or something?) | 18:10 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, but for higher level stuff you're right that you currently cannot reproduce if it's really fixed. but i still don't get the criticism - you don't trust if someone says "fixed in fremantle", or what is your major concern? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, let me see if I can find it. I kinda took it down when I pointed to my collection of initfs binaries that I'd compiled to a bug report... | 18:10 |
| lcuk | Mr Google.com does as well | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: not yet :) | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, also, it probably won't flash on an 770. I don't have time to do the same for an 770 initfs... | 18:11 |
| wjt | hmm. is there any way I can dump my N810's root filesystem to my laptop prior to flashing it? It's refusing to boot (because / is full, i'm pretty sure) but I'd like to save my maemo-mapper db, which is the file filling up / ... :) | 18:11 |
| jakemaheu | my main thing is tat they're trying to cut off all support for os2008/diablo | 18:11 |
| slonopotamus | aaargh! three packages built! | 18:11 |
| jakemaheu | and that "fixed in fremantle" doesn't help if it won't run | 18:12 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ok | 18:12 |
| jakemaheu | unusab;le fixes don't count | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: if you get bored.. try the Xomap binary from deblet | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | and replace Xorg with that | 18:12 |
| slonopotamus | oh, btw | 18:12 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, of course they count. that's how software development works in general. | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and tell me how it performs | 18:12 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, if you radically change the codebase for the next version it's huge costs to provide backports for Diablo | 18:13 |
| jakemaheu | but fremantle is supposed to run on the n900 or whatever, and not on the device that the bugs concern | 18:13 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeks, you wanted to benchmark my almost-fully-optimized gentoo | 18:13 |
| jakemaheu | like the camera | 18:13 |
| jakemaheu | "not reproduceable" is bs | 18:14 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu, but you do read what has been written here already? ;-) | 18:14 |
| jakemaheu | where? | 18:14 |
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| jakemaheu | ItT? | 18:14 |
| andre__ | 10min ago | 18:14 |
| andre__ | HERE. | 18:14 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 18:14 |
| lcuk | andre__, by the same tune, if you can dive in and implement a minor fix in the existing codebase whilst also looking forwards towards a new version it makes everyone happy - ive been supporting my apps written since 2000 whether or not i have replaced them | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: themes for Mer are ocean, "more", community, at least | 18:14 |
| andre__ | "slonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device? they only said they are concentrating on the next one" | 18:14 |
| lcuk | obviously different situations occur | 18:15 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 18:15 |
| andre__ | lcuk, i'm totally with you. it's definitely what a customer expects. | 18:15 |
| lcuk | :) | 18:15 |
| andre__ | let's push Mer. | 18:15 |
| slonopotamus | andre__, that means that it will have reasonable speed of omap3 cpu and slow on older ones | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | The rotation bug is bollocks - that one says straight up that nokia are willing to do fuck all | 18:16 |
| lcuk | to use an stsism, *nod* | 18:16 |
| andre__ | Mer is more useful than trying to change Nokia's thinking about pushing patches into "older" versions :-/ | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | "A community edition" shouldn't be nokia's next shitty excuse | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm not entirely agreeing with that point though.. it will have shit speed if we use all the clutter stuff, which we don't for 95% of fremantle | 18:16 |
| andre__ | slonopotamus, so? | 18:16 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | sorry, wifi cut out | 18:16 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | i had a 770 and then they cut me off | 18:17 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | i have an n800 and they are going to cut us and the n810 owners off next | 18:17 |
| andre__ | qwerty12, hehe :) yeah, got to take care that Mer doesn't become the next "end of discussion" argument by nokia | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | jakemaheu_netboo: on the other hand, Mer runs (sortof) on 770 :P | 18:17 |
| lcuk | i really cant wait for new device, i get decent speed on n8x0 and will have warp speed on omap3. it runs really well currently on x86 at 800mhz | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | andre__, you're brilliant :) | 18:18 |
| andre__ | jakemaheu_netboo, how many years of updates did you expect when buying? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | and i can totally understand why they scrapped the 770 for HE's | 18:18 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | there can still be hacker editions like the 770, but how far does that get us if the updates are for different hardware | 18:18 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | the 770 hw was slow | 18:18 |
| lcuk | faster graphics | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | jakemaheu_netboo: very little is hw specific.. | 18:18 |
| lcuk | could do similar fullscreen updates as liqbase i believe without massive hacking | 18:18 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | yeah | 18:19 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | expt for kernel | 18:19 |
| lcuk | (part of the reason why i believe liqbase will run well on 770) | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | jakemaheu_netboo: and that part they're solving with open source wifi | 18:19 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | except for the processor | 18:19 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | remember, omap 2xxx vs 3xxx | 18:20 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | dont remember the umbers | 18:20 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | s/umbers/numbers/ | 18:20 |
| infobot | jakemaheu_netboo meant: dont remember the numbers | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu_netboo, you forget that the amounts of ram too on the 770 was crap | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | i'm inclined to think nokia wouldn't be completely against building software towards older CPUs. or allowing some members to do it. | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I don't think nokia even build software for specific cpus... | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | "http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=256146&postcount=8" | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | er, without quotes | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | "suck my cock", (from LostNokiaGirl) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 18:21 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: ok, can i ask what xomap is doing that xorg isn't? | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, haha | 18:21 |
| lcuk | im inclined to think if nokia could get a REAL performance boost from somewhere that makes older cpus work it could trickle through the entire product line from cheap low powered phones through to the high end super ones :) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, mind if I point that out? :P | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: go ahea | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | d | 18:21 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, lucky one. I never get such offers :-P | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it is actually accelerated | 18:22 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | lol stskeeps | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, done :P | 18:22 |
| jakemaheu_netboo | thats funny | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: basically, fb_update_mode manual is needed to make it work sanely :P | 18:23 |
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| Meizirkki | ok | 18:23 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | there we go | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, wish me luck: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/xchat_jaunty-armel-1231604402.log :) | 18:26 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | is there any good gui text editor for diablo? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | leafpad | 18:26 |
| jakemaheunetbook | like notepad++ | 18:26 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i need it for scripting | 18:26 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i like the syntax highlighting | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | you could call leafpad the linux equivalent of notepad (not ++) | 18:27 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ | 18:27 |
| jakemaheunetbook | or i could call the regular text editor that | 18:27 |
| jakemaheunetbook | except it's in .html | 18:27 |
| jakemaheunetbook | which is werid | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | nah, the built in one SUCKS | 18:27 |
| jakemaheunetbook | maybe google docs prted | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | I messed things up due to it not saving properly when I was a n00b and used it to edit a system file >.< | 18:28 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ouch | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: looks like success | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | yep :), thanks | 18:30 |
| jakemaheunetbook | what about quicknote? | 18:30 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ooh, i see a package i want to get | 18:31 |
| jakemaheunetbook | "Subcategories Testing - DO NOT INSTALL" "Test/Useless package to test subcategories support." | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | I put that there, blame X-Fade :P | 18:32 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol | 18:32 |
| jakemaheunetbook | theres a lot of good stuff in extras-devel | 18:32 |
| jakemaheunetbook | like nspeed | 18:33 |
| jakemaheunetbook | awesome 3d racing game | 18:33 |
| lcuk | qwerty, why doesn't it surprise me that you are at the centre of every packaging faux pas ;) | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I was asked to do that one ;) | 18:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, you were kinda asked to do this one as well | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | besides, silence. or i'll upload liqbase-ng ;P | 18:34 |
| jakemaheunetbook | wormux, 53mb | 18:34 |
| jakemaheunetbook | do it | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | data files install to memory card | 18:34 |
| lcuk | qwerty12 : the secret of my success : "i fsck up packaging" | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | iirc | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | -ng? | 18:34 |
| jakemaheunetbook | xkcdha | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, northerners g*something* | 18:34 |
| jakemaheunetbook | totally getting it | 18:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:35 |
| jakemaheunetbook | northern gold? | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | NO | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:35 |
| jakemaheunetbook | my high school is port huron northern | 18:35 |
| wazd | Sts: Mer is "Sea", not Ocean I suppose :) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | northern grit :) | 18:35 |
| jakemaheunetbook | and our colors are gold and blue | 18:35 |
| jakemaheunetbook | xournal? | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Think the diablo extras-devel version is a little messed up... | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: good question :P | 18:36 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lcuk: put liqbase-ng in a seekrit repo, like seekrit.liqbase.net | 18:37 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, in French it's sea and we have ['more] as "sea" :) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | jakemaheunetbook, ;) how do you know its *not* | 18:37 |
| jakemaheunetbook | the sea is massively expansive and open | 18:37 |
| jakemaheunetbook | *gasp | 18:37 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i'm going to add that repo now | 18:37 |
| * qwerty12 grins at #10 | 18:38 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: in any case, water with stuff in it | 18:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: already making some deepsea stuff) | 18:38 |
| lcuk | sounds liek a typical glass of tapwater to me | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, whats #10? | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, post ten on the suck my cock thread :P | 18:38 |
| lcuk | were the first nine apologizing for creaming yourself at the thought? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | wanker :P | 18:39 |
| b-man | Big success!!: virtual keyboard and hw keys finally work in Ubuntu jaunty! | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | what did you do to make it work, b-man? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | b-man, im making a note here | 18:40 |
| b-man | i had to add a keymap file to /etc for upstart to work properly | 18:40 |
| b-man | i'll post some screenshots and information to the ubuntu n800/n810 thread :D | 18:41 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lcuk: i can make liqbase crash | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | I can make liqbase show messages about northerners | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | (when installing anyway...) | 18:42 |
| jakemaheunetbook | oh my | 18:42 |
| lcuk | wow! tell me how and ill make sure i can get it to crash for everyone | 18:42 |
| jakemaheunetbook | nice | 18:42 |
| jakemaheunetbook | alright | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | or i might say "fixed in fremantle" :P | 18:42 |
| jakemaheunetbook | open liqbase and go to do some drawing | 18:42 |
| b-man | lcuk: hold on, i'll post some instructions. ;) | 18:43 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | then select "stamp" and draw one from one corner to the opposite | 18:43 |
| lcuk | right | 18:43 |
| jakemaheunetbook | then draw another from the same corner to the other | 18:43 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:43 |
| jakemaheunetbook | it will freeze | 18:43 |
| lcuk | no it wont | 18:43 |
| lcuk | its calculating | 18:43 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 18:44 |
| lcuk | since its recursive, it will complete sometime in 2693 | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | so it might as well just be frozen | 18:44 |
| lcuk | i thought you said crash :) | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | it sometimes does for me | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | maybe i just ush to many buttons | 18:44 |
| lcuk | in a way that you can repeat? | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | s/ush/push/ | 18:44 |
| infobot | jakemaheunetbook meant: maybe i just push to many buttons | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | not really | 18:44 |
| jakemaheunetbook | but it's frozen right now | 18:44 |
| lcuk | no jake, i have removed every single reproducable crashable error found | 18:45 |
| jakemaheunetbook | nice | 18:45 |
| lcuk | thats different - ill fix that in a different way | 18:45 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stop! It's hammer time | 18:45 |
| lcuk | thats only because at the moment its self recursive by default | 18:45 |
| lcuk | the next version will generally be recursive with other sketches | 18:45 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 18:46 |
| lcuk | ie it will happen much less | 18:46 |
| jakemaheunetbook | and if you svae it, then fgo to the grafitti wall, it kills the fps | 18:46 |
| lcuk | yeah cos its drawing several hundred sketches per frame | 18:46 |
| b-man | Here's how i got it working; take the xmodmap file from deblet, gzip -f xmodmap it, rename it to boottime.kmap.gz, and place it into your /etc directory. | 18:46 |
| jakemaheunetbook | there we go, fixed | 18:47 |
| lcuk | its orders of magnitude more complex | 18:47 |
| jakemaheunetbook | which is worse, app freezing or crashing? | 18:47 |
| lcuk | i could bring down the highest powered cpu ever with that algo but it still wouldnt have technically crashed | 18:47 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 18:47 |
| jakemaheunetbook | doesn't lifeguard do that or something? | 18:47 |
| lcuk | ill fix it anyway | 18:47 |
| lcuk | stop recursing if its been running a single sketch for longer than a second or something | 18:47 |
| lcuk | no because its not started under lifeguard control | 18:48 |
| jakemaheunetbook | my like 7yo cousin got a quad core intel, 3gb of ram, 640gb hd for x-mas | 18:48 |
| lcuk | new version here handles itself slightly differently itself | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: kinda odd you need a kmap, though | 18:48 |
| lcuk | there *is* a hardware lock somewhere which is not reproducable and *does* effectively crash the machine | 18:48 |
| b-man | yah, but it works :) | 18:48 |
| jakemaheunetbook | she's using it for email and flash games in firefo | 18:48 |
| jakemaheunetbook | s/firefo/firefox | 18:49 |
| lcuk | lol jake, cbeebies website will load really fast for him | 18:49 |
| lcuk | her* | 18:49 |
| jakemaheunetbook | oh yeah, doing the recursive thing then pressing home and going to desktop will lock the touchscreen | 18:49 |
| lcuk | recursion, if a sketch has called itself over 100 times per sketch is that a reasonable limit? | 18:50 |
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| lcuk | yeah, stamp tool busyness simulates the effect, but i mean a generic deep x11/xv crash that i cannot capture or trap | 18:50 |
| lcuk | i also cannot ever reproduce | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'll do the base64 meta package now | 18:50 |
| lcuk | even with automated code | 18:50 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 18:51 |
| lcuk | that frustrates me more than the stamp tool mainly due to its unpredictability | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: thanks! | 18:52 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 18:52 |
| lcuk | at least you know if you do super recursion you can make it lockup - its something i can technically handle | 18:52 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yay! | 18:52 |
| jakemaheunetbook | if you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wannamake it go to my website | 18:53 |
| jakemaheunetbook | s/wannamake/wanna make/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | jakemaheunetbook meant: if you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wanna make it go to my website | 18:53 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah, jakemaheu.com/liqbase | 18:53 |
| * b-man is uploading the first screenshot to imagebin :D | 18:54 | |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php | 18:54 |
| jakemaheunetbook | how are the sketches named? | 18:54 |
| jakemaheunetbook | nice, svg | 18:55 |
| lcuk | the sketches arent svg, i just wrote a converter | 18:55 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 18:55 |
| b-man | First offical screenshot of ubuntu jaunty on an N800: http://imagebin.ca/view/NB8u8zH.html | 18:55 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ooh | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | b-man, congrats :) | 18:56 |
| b-man | :D | 18:56 |
| jakemaheunetbook | that's amazing + pretty | 18:56 |
| b-man | thanks | 18:56 |
| jakemaheunetbook | wait, isn't jaunty an old one? | 18:56 |
| Meizirkki | no | 18:56 |
| jakemaheunetbook | oh | 18:56 |
| b-man | it's verry new | 18:56 |
| Meizirkki | jaunty will be released april 2009 | 18:57 |
| jakemaheunetbook | oh okay | 18:57 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i googled it | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: woo | 18:58 |
| b-man | i'll update my ubuntu thread to provide the keyboard fix :) | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it looks like touchscreen is dead now, i'm not sure if i am running xomap, but i did apt-get remove xserver-xorg before installing deblets xomap | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: mm, there's a special curse needed for the Xomap parameters.. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:59 |
| lcuk | limiting recursion depth looks awful | 18:59 |
| jakemaheunetbook | how awful? | 19:00 |
| jakemaheunetbook | portal did a GOOD job of it | 19:00 |
| lcuk | the hall of mirrors effect stops X levels in | 19:00 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | it set it so that you could tell it to only recurse a max of like 8 portals | 19:00 |
| lcuk | if X > 5 there is a user definable way to make it practically infinite | 19:00 |
| lcuk | portal only have 1 mirror to cater for | 19:01 |
| jakemaheunetbook | mirror? | 19:01 |
| lcuk | this is like multiplayer portal - each stamp is an orange portal | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: try from console: Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp & | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | export DISPLAY=:0 | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | start-hildon | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 19:01 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does http://pastebin.com/d388fa336 look ok to you? | 19:01 |
| jakemaheunetbook | *drools* multiplayer portal | 19:02 |
| lcuk | its part of the reason why multiplayer portal isnt with us yet ;) | 19:02 |
| lcuk | though that would be dreamy | 19:02 |
| jakemaheunetbook | it would be interesting | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 19:02 |
| lcuk | did you play portal in the hl2 maps? | 19:02 |
| jakemaheunetbook | not yet | 19:02 |
| lcuk | or rather add portal gun to hl2 maps | 19:02 |
| jakemaheunetbook | have you tried garry's mod? | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | garry's mod is jokes :D | 19:03 |
| lcuk | no, but i know enough about it all | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i got it a couple days ago | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | It was fun swinging people into the air :p | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | qwerty12: hmm? | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | it's fun :D | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 19:03 |
| lcuk | have you made alex fsck everything yet | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yes | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | even the portal gun | 19:03 |
| lcuk | seems like the only real use for it | 19:03 |
| jakemaheunetbook | and companion cube | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, nah, you have gta + hot coffee for that sort of thing | 19:04 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lcuk do you do hl2: deathmatch? | 19:04 |
| lcuk | no :) | 19:04 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | ah | 19:04 |
| jakemaheunetbook | it's fun :D | 19:05 |
| lcuk | it reminds me of CS too much so i tend to stay away | 19:05 |
| jakemaheunetbook | heh | 19:05 |
| jakemaheunetbook | you just have to find a good server | 19:05 |
| jakemaheunetbook | say, Ryandor's Deathmatch Server | 19:05 |
| lcuk | portal speed trials are good to play with | 19:05 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i <3 everyone there | 19:05 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | it's a nice server and it's like a tight-knit group | 19:06 |
| jakemaheunetbook | but if you go there everyone's really nice | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Do you all cry when you kill one another? | 19:06 |
| jakemaheunetbook | nah | 19:06 |
| lcuk | im taking this recursion limit out, it makes stamps look bob, but i might simply ensure new stamps only occupy 1/4 of the screen if self recursive | 19:06 |
| jakemaheunetbook | *sniffle* | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | :P | 19:07 |
| lcuk | no, they dont kill each other | 19:07 |
| jakemaheunetbook | we talk a lot | 19:07 |
| lcuk | they stand there at door ways going "after you" "no, after you" | 19:07 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah | 19:07 |
| jakemaheunetbook | people are polite | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | If this was team capture the flag, no you take the flag, no you... | 19:08 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol | 19:08 |
| lcuk | heh yeah qwerty | 19:08 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | D;] | 19:08 |
| lcuk | reminds me of how tracy drives in GTA. she stops at the traffic lights | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | ha :P | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Does she run over passengers? :) | 19:08 |
| lcuk | no, and she apologises for borrowing someones car | 19:09 |
| RST38h | mhmmm | 19:09 |
| jakemaheunetbook | "borrowing" | 19:09 |
| * qwerty12 thinks the best vehicle to do that in is the combine harvester bar none | 19:09 | |
| lcuk | i havent played the 3d ones | 19:09 |
| lcuk | at the time i tried my graphics card couldnt handle it :) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | the 2d ones are jokes when you line up the cars to blow them up | 19:09 |
| jakemaheunetbook | hehehe | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | My computer won't handle GTA IV. It only plays san andreas if I overclock the igp :) | 19:10 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ouch | 19:10 |
| jakemaheunetbook | what's igp? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | they should have left the real original 2d interface in, cos it was the awesome | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | integrated graphics processor - another way of saying that the graphics suck on my computer :) | 19:11 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lcuk: what's your steam id? | 19:11 |
| jakemaheunetbook | is it lcuk? | 19:11 |
| lcuk | no, i joined steam before maemo, its liquidcoooled | 19:11 |
| lcuk | (lc) | 19:11 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | qwerty12: meh, i use a crappy radeon x1300 pro | 19:11 |
| lcuk | i just upgraded from one of those | 19:11 |
| lcuk | to a 1500 or something | 19:12 |
| gnuton | Hello | 19:12 |
| lcuk | 'ello gnuton | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheunetbook, probably better than my radeon xpress 200 :) | 19:12 |
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| qwerty12 | hi gnuton | 19:12 |
| gnuton | hei lcuk :D | 19:12 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ouch | 19:12 |
| gnuton | ue qwerty12! :D | 19:12 |
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| gnuton | I''m just come back from the IKEA store.. | 19:12 |
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| gnuton | I'm very hungry!! | 19:12 |
| lcuk | right, must dash, jakemaheunetbook the recursion is staying, if users want to make the universe divide by 0 they are free to :) they can wait for it to finish rendering | 19:12 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ack | 19:13 |
| lcuk | gnuton, ikea has food | 19:13 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i <333333 ikea! | 19:13 |
| jakemaheunetbook | their food is amazing | 19:13 |
| gnuton | lcuk: I know but it's closed now! :( | 19:13 |
| jakemaheunetbook | i wanna go now | 19:13 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: xomap is annoying it starts now automatically and telnet does not work | 19:13 |
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| StsN800 | k | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | my missus likes ikea as well, when we go i have only one rule, if she can carry it she can have it - ive never seen a woman carry as much stuff before in my life | 19:13 |
| gnuton | I m going to cook something of good.... | 19:14 |
| StsN800 | Meizirkki, k | 19:14 |
| jakemaheunetbook | ramen or bacon | 19:14 |
| jakemaheunetbook | which i just had some of\ | 19:14 |
| jakemaheunetbook | speaking of which, i found the best thing ever yesterday | 19:14 |
| lcuk | mmmmmm my xchat didnt highlight when you said bacon | 19:15 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol | 19:15 |
| lcuk | try again | 19:15 |
| gnuton | lcuk: probably it doesn't like the bacon! :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | perfect, works now | 19:15 |
| gnuton | :D | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i dunno whow many bacon convos ive missed | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | wonder when that happened | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, will you ever set it so I can just dput. Easiest method evar | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | s/set it/set it up/ :) | 19:16 |
| jakemaheunetbook | FOUNT IT! http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=671696 | 19:17 |
| jakemaheunetbook | s/FOUNT/found | 19:17 |
| jakemaheunetbook | it looks so good | 19:19 |
| lcuk | jakemaheunetbook, thats just an adaption of the original: http://lloydandlauren.com/the-bacon-mat-gallery/ | 19:19 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yeah, but still looks delicious | 19:20 |
| lcuk | sorry http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Placemats/ | 19:20 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, dput runs anything on server? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.the-feedbag.com/elsewhere/pork-on-pork-in-pork-the-bacon-explosion | 19:20 |
| StsN800 | or just uploads? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/ <<< for all your bacony fun ;) anyway im really gone now, gonna make tea, might have pork | 19:20 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol, yum | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, I think it must do, because the maemo autobuilder picks up on it. Or i'm not sure if it's monitoring folders... | 19:21 |
| jakemaheunetbook | yay, bye lcuk! | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, http://trac.tspre.org:8000/base64_jaunty-i386-1231607764.log - builds in sbox fine... | 19:21 |
| StsN800 | ta | 19:22 |
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| StsN800 | qwerty12, hmmm. | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | ah, I know what it is. I'll reupload. | 19:23 |
| StsN800 | k | 19:23 |
| pupnik_ | how's the autobuilder working qwerty12 ? | 19:23 |
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| stv0 | hello ;) | 19:24 |
| stv0 | i've a problem with the rom space on my device | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik_, the maemo one? The maemo one is basically the Diablo sdk with nothing installed so you have to specify in your debian/control what you want installed so your program can compile. After that, it works in pretty much the same way compiling a package in scratchbox works. | 19:25 |
| wazd | Here's what I have for now: http://i018.radikal.ru/0901/b2/cdd9b8ac9926.jpg | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik_, you should upload your wicked game ports :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, pretty :) | 19:25 |
| stv0 | i think ive installed to many apps. i there a possibility to move them to a external memorycard? | 19:25 |
| pupnik_ | they need work to not suck, and i'm practically mentally retarded | 19:26 |
| StsN800 | wazd, looks good! | 19:26 |
| pupnik_ | but i'll try to get going on one or two | 19:26 |
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| wazd | I thought if pearl can be Mer's logo | 19:27 |
| StsN800 | wazd, wallpaper is nice and soft on the tablet screen at least | 19:28 |
| wazd | Well, that's the way wallpaper used to be ") | 19:28 |
| jakemaheunetbook | what's the filename for the startup image in maemo? | 19:29 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | i wanna put a shock image on | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | shock image as in goatse/tubgirl etc? | 19:29 |
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| drav3n | would that be for security jake? lol | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png | 19:30 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | tyvm | 19:31 |
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| wazd | so, what's about pearl?) | 19:31 |
| jakemaheunetbook | prolly | 19:31 |
| StsN800 | wazd, hmm, maybe | 19:31 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | maybe a screencap from 2g1c | 19:32 |
| wazd | The best startup screen is a screenshot of homescreen itself :) | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | I'm such a fuckwit, I told it to build xchat again because that's what I've been typing on the merbuilder page >.< | 19:32 |
| jakemaheunetbook | lol nice that would prolly tick me off | 19:33 |
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| stv0 | E: Konnte Lockdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht öffnen - open (28 No space left on device) | 19:36 |
| b-man | updated Ubuntu Jaunty for the N800/N818 thread; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 | 19:36 |
| stv0 | no space to lock my apt-get download dir? | 19:37 |
| stv0 | what should i do? | 19:37 |
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| drav3n | that's happend to me, I think it was because I wasn't root | 19:37 |
| stv0 | im root shure | 19:38 |
| stv0 | df: /dev/mtdblock4 255488 252816 2672 99% / | 19:38 |
| stv0 | i can't remove any apps | 19:39 |
| bef0rd | how about moving some files temporally to a mmc? | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: That is how Apple does it (with the startup screens) | 19:40 |
| stv0 | ive hust installed apps into the rom | 19:40 |
| jakemaheunetbook | http://www.jakemaheu.com/images/xaio.jpg | 19:40 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep, iPhone trick, pretty elegant though :) | 19:42 |
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| * wazd wonders why he has wrong colors of wallpaper on the tablet | 19:43 | |
| Stskeeps | 16-bit? | 19:44 |
| RST38h | edited in 24bit then shown in 16bit on the NIT? | 19:44 |
| wazd | no, not gradient ladders but just a bit less bluish than on the laptop | 19:44 |
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| wazd | maybe that's because of my laptop color profile | 19:45 |
| StsN800 | ah | 19:45 |
| wazd | gradients really sucks on n800 :( | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | StsN800, base64 package built | 19:49 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12, thanks! | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | np | 19:49 |
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| wazd_wtf | what the hell was that | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_wtf: an elephant | 19:50 |
| wazd_wtf | how can I take my name back?)) | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | /ghost | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_wtf: it'll ping timeout in a while anyway | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | assuming that wazd is registered with nickserv :) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't have it registered | 19:52 |
| wazd_wtf | no, i think not | 19:53 |
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| qwerty12 | You will be forever known as wazd_wtf | 19:53 |
| wazd_wtf | *dramaticaly* nooooooooooo!!! | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:53 |
| drav3n | that sux, it just happend to me actually lol | 19:53 |
| drav3n | this time I was smart and registerd | 19:54 |
| wazd_wtf | I happened to Qwerty twelve times I see :) | 19:54 |
| drav3n | aha good call | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ kernel | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | <6>elantech.c: unexpected magic knock result 0x00, 0x02, 0x64. | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_wtf, hehe... :P | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | "magic knock"? :P | 19:55 |
| wazd_wtf | well, now I have to chose different name? | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | now you can switch back, wazd_wtf | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Not anymore :P | 19:55 |
| wazd_wtf | ah, thanks) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | evening rm_you | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | ello rm_you | 19:55 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | hello | 19:55 |
| wazd | hello | 19:56 |
| wazd | how to register nick?) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | /nickserv help register | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | wazd, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | 19:56 |
| wazd | I think it's done) | 19:58 |
| wazd | thanks | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Now it's time to identify :) | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> | 19:59 |
| rm_you | hey all | 19:59 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 19:59 |
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| drav3n | qwerty12: I'm still getting "Invalid module format" on my r8187 module. the arch is right this time afaik. any ideas? | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | drav3n, no :/ | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Post me your uname output again plz | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | (I can't guarantee success, I'll be eventually building in a diablo sdk) | 20:03 |
| drav3n | well after I did n770_defconf or w/e it matches the all the other kenel mods | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: does themes include new icon sets too btw or just parts of it? | 20:04 |
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| wazd | Well, current version of Theme Maker can include sidebar icons and fonts | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:04 |
| wazd | But unfortunately it can't compile theme itself) | 20:05 |
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| wazd | Well, maybe wallpaper is already good? Don't want to add detailed objects to it | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, wallpaper is good | 20:07 |
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| wazd | I've added some noice to it, to be not too flat | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | is the icon for unknown application icon in themes too btw? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | (i never made a theme, :P) | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/template/template.png is all it can do | 20:09 |
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| wazd | There are only 3 icons in theme, web, contacts and apps, all for sidebar menus | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:11 |
| wazd | I think you can include everything you need with hands though) | 20:11 |
| wazd | Like boot up screen and other stuff | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | I think you can add an image called qgn_list_gene_default_app.png to the theme images folder and it will get replaced when applying the theme | 20:12 |
| wazd | http://i031.radikal.ru/0901/7f/9c71268b6ed2.jpg thats the latest version | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: looks good :) | 20:13 |
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| jakemaheunetbook | hey lardman | 20:14 |
| wazd | hello | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hmm, it was in 2.6.28 n800 sound was removed? | 20:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, something like that, check the nitdroid thread, solca haz linkz :) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:16 |
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| wazd | btw I have w1920 version of the wallpaper so if you plan to have a website it can be nice backgroung | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah, :) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: have you done any other maemo themes, btw? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | like, published one | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | s | 20:19 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nope, I have one in plans, but nothing done yet | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | you didn't do Titan? ;) | 20:20 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm thinking too much on them, so it's very long to do it. Titan has been redrawn like 3 times or so | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that was wazd_wtf | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah ;> | 20:20 |
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| wazd | yep, that was him :) | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps wonders how titan looks on mer | 20:21 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p :) | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps checks | 20:21 | |
| Stskeeps | i just really really want to get rid of plankton .. | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Can't say that I blame you... :p | 20:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I get a giggle over the people who want it in os2008 :p | 20:22 |
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| wazd | maybe I can combine my thoughts and Mer concept and make 1 theme | 20:22 |
| wazd | Called... Mer, for example)) | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | you're more than welcome :) chances are we'll definately use them ;) | 20:23 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if he hosed his mer install earlier | 20:28 | |
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| wazd_wtf | lol | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: something went odd in the base64 build | 20:40 |
| wazd_wtf | \ghost didn't work :( | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, but the package is there :? | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wazd_wtf, what client? | 20:41 |
| wazd_wtf | mIRC | 20:41 |
| woglinde | hi | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi woglinde | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | true | 20:41 |
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| wazd_wtf | hey | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: now you can do /nickserv ghost wazd <your password> | 20:42 |
| Saviq | hey guys, what's the current way to play music over to a a2dp headset? | 20:42 |
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| wazd_wtf | Die bitch!) | 20:42 |
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| wazd | hostile takeover ) | 20:43 |
| wazd | Saviq: well, there is a guide how to do that on ITT forums | 20:44 |
| Saviq | wazd: yes but it's a bit off with current package versions :/ | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, re base64, don't think your builder likes arch: all packages, if it's all tbh, only the i386 builder needs to do it | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: true, maybe repository loader script fucks up too | 20:56 |
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| TrueJournals | w00t! My Palm 3245WW keyboard came! | 21:02 |
| TrueJournals | Only... I can't get it to pair with tablet :-( | 21:03 |
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| TrueJournals | Oh, wait... I'm stupid | 21:04 |
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| TrueJournals | w00t! Now I just have to get used to the keyboard shortcuts... | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, the kinetic scrolling file chooser in fremantle is funny | 21:11 |
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| cirofinale | buongiorno/sera/notte a tutti | 21:13 |
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| wazd_wtf | Stskeeps: wait, what?) | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_wtf: mer has fremantle components | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | so we get file chooser and widgets | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | and such | 21:13 |
| wazd_wtf | Stskeeps: nice) | 21:14 |
| wazd_wtf | Stskeeps: pity I'm too dumb to check out Mer :) | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_wtf: we'll soon make it possible :) | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you tried to port hildon-theme- from maemo, right? | 21:15 |
| Meizirkki | no. | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | oh, what do you mean | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | the pretty themes | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | copying them in | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | did you when you copied them at first, before you copied the icons, experience the extras menu etc not working? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Sts: Btw, is Fremantle file chooser still tries to scan all the subdirectories and the whole current directory? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | just not showing anything | 21:17 |
| Meizirkki | i downloaded themes-os08-12pt from (austinche) repo | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no clue | 21:17 |
| Meizirkki | not sure what repo | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: Try opening a directory with 2-3 LARGE subdirectories | 21:17 |
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| RST38h | Sts: See how long it takes | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meizirkki, lancode repo iirc | 21:17 |
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| Meizirkki | ok | 21:17 |
| Meizirkki | thanbks | 21:17 |
| Meizirkki | -b | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: ok, and what caused you to copy in maemo icons? | 21:18 |
| Meizirkki | those maemo themes were iconless otherwise | 21:18 |
| lcuk | wazd_wtf, not dumb, just different mindset, im quite excited at the prospect of mer as well :) | 21:18 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: but using maemos themes made some icons to not show up, like bluetooth-applet-icon or nm-applet... | 21:19 |
| Meizirkki | What's wrong with konttoris theme maker? it just stays on 1% :( | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | Obviously, it needs a bloody ssssacrifice! | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | [your firstborn will do] | 21:26 |
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| yigal | is there anyway to tell Modest to send inline images in a forward? | 21:29 |
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| yigal | I hope there comes along a mail client as sexy as Modest and as functional as Claws one of these days for Maemo | 21:37 |
| ThatOneGuy | kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.16 ? | 21:38 |
| ThatOneGuy | does it exist? | 21:38 |
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| ThatOneGuy | nvm it's not rx-34 | 21:40 |
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| * b-man is about to chuck his tablet across the room, stupid keyboard issue came back after the fifth boot into ubuntu. D:< | 21:43 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: hehe. i spent a month on the 'fsck' problem | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm still not happy with the solutio | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | n | 21:44 |
| ssvb | gnuton: did you get some cheap stuff on the last day of the afternewyear IKEA discounts? | 21:45 |
| b-man | I was sooo close :( | 21:46 |
| b-man | at least i have proof that i actually had it working :) | 21:47 |
| gnuton | ssvb: no, I didn't | 21:47 |
| * b-man starts to try and hunt down a nother possible cause of the issue :/ | 21:49 | |
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| TheFatal | I have a question. When a app download is finish, but when trys to install says insuficent memory, the pakage is in the device yet ?? | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_wtf: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan/ | 22:06 |
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| RST38h | Fatal: Yes, it is in the device | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | (scrshot 4 is odd cos of our window manager not placing it correctly right now) | 22:07 |
| b1ackdeath | has any one had problems with there n810's sd card like it sliding out of place? | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: saw my url? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | little git! | 22:13 |
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| TheFatal | Where is the pakage store then ?? | 22:18 |
| woglinde | /var/tmp or so | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | or on the MMC | 22:21 |
| lcuk | im never sure if im ok to clean them all out though | 22:21 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm the nokia appmanager dowload its somewher elese | 22:21 |
| lcuk | so i just clean the biggest ones out when i need to | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, apt-get clean | 22:22 |
| lcuk | that removes ALL those? | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes but it doesn't matter, they'll get redownloaded if needed anyway | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | :D oooooooh | 22:22 |
| lcuk | yeah i know that much | 22:22 |
| lcuk | thats much more logical, i however tend not to type random things into the console :$ | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | wb wazd_wtf | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: does hildon-desktop on diablo have composite enabled? | 22:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hildon-desktop doesn't have a composite option. if you mean matchbox, then no it doesn't. when i enabled it, matchbox refused to start | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ok, cos i see configure.ac stuff regarding composite | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's just meiz spoke of the side bar not being transparent | 22:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no sorry, i'm wrong, hildon-desktop is linked to libcomposite | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | so that's probably why then | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot03.png | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooer | 22:29 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: prod me when around, got a question :) | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | WTF??? ive been ripped off | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | ive got a clipper lighter, and the flint doofer thing is non changable | 22:36 |
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| Saviq | guys, shouldn't the a2dpd daemon run automatically on boot? | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the modern method doesn't use the ancient a2dpd because bluez has support built in it | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'm such a doofus.. turns out ThemeMaker themes doesn't have the icon fallback theme in their gtkrc that is required to make icons work in Mer :) | 22:40 |
| Saviq | qwerty12_N800: 'modern method'? as in? | 22:41 |
| Saviq | I tried the 'bluetooth' alsa device but it will only work with voice not with hifi quality | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, heh, has that one been scratching your head for a while? :) | 22:42 |
| Saviq | (it works like that on my desktop) | 22:42 |
| Saviq | qwerty12_N800: could you then please point me to a 'modern' solution info? | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, johnx's a2dp-support | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: it's a oneliner really :P | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe :p :) | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 | 22:43 |
| Saviq | thanks | 22:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, planning to recompile against libcomposite? :) | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 22:45 |
| jakemaheu | i love all of you | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, incase it helps: http://pastebin.com/d4bf5b0ce | 22:47 |
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| AFBN810 | Hello | 22:48 |
| Saviq | qwerty12_N800: have you seen that: "BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)"? | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, yes, a re-pair & reboot worked for me. For another person, it was a case of not entering his bt headset mac address properly | 22:50 |
| AFBN810 | on xchat can you move channel listings to top ? | 22:50 |
| Saviq | will try that | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | yerga: did your fremantle widgets have icons in the file chooser, btw? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | like, for "Documents" folder and such | 22:52 |
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| Saviq | qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot, at last it works | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) | 22:57 |
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| Saviq | is there avrcp support? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: compiling composite hildon | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | should make things a tiny bit prettier :P | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you'll be pleased to know i got themes to work sanely :P | 22:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | w00t! | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | as in, with icons | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | and composite | 22:59 |
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| Meiz_n810 | great! | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | so we can get rid of plankton as default theme ;) | 23:00 |
| Saviq | qwerty12_N800: can canola play through a2dp now, too | 23:00 |
| Saviq | ? | 23:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, if you change the atabake config file to use mplayer | 23:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | what was the problen with hildon-appmanager? | 23:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: (is), some odd defines missing and the fremantle code requiring upstart-dev which we dont have | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf @ it breaking during compile | 23:03 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, how about using the diablo one for now? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: broke during compile | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | boll0x | 23:04 |
| Saviq | hmm qwerty12_N800 does canola beta10 use atabake still? I can't find the config file.... | 23:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Saviq, I don't use canola personally. i think it's in /home/user/.atabake/config | 23:05 |
| Saviq | yeah I don't have the .atabake dir, that's why I'm confused ... | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm seriously gonna start this blog post today. | 23:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | wtf? i'm still there? i just accidentally ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0 and ctrl-c it after inode tables | 23:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | i am booted from it | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'll reupload base64 tomorrow, i fucked up on the version number | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: cache :P | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alrighty | 23:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i fucked up my mmc-diablo again... grr! | 23:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "E: Unable to find a source package for hildon-application-manager" - sounds odd | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | From your last h-a-m merbuilder log. i thought it failed during compiling, it doesn't even get that far | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System it seems to suggest that RDS support may not be RDS support | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But is that just because certain equipment lacks the facilities to handle certain types of RDS broadcasts (which we can easily overcome in software, I'd think) or a function of what the chipset supports? | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6 | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | (^ mouse tossed on keyboard) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you can also use RDS for positioning if you so wanted :P | 23:10 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to mer | 23:11 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think i gave up or something | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | cos i couldn't make it build in chroot | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 23:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, Mer highlights since before the holiday? | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: SDK is working, we're getting very close to having images people can actually flash and try out | 23:22 |
| woglinde | stskeep good | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the initfs request, x86 port working as well .. yeah | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | a lot has happened :) | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Progress continues to be made on Mer. The SDK is work, and the project is nearing release of its first demo image. Nokia has recently pledged an unprecedented (for this industry) level of support for the project in its efforts to provide a community backport of Fremantle to OMAP2 devices, and the Mer team already has ports running on N8x0s, x86 machines, and OMAP3 machines." | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, something like that, s/work/working/ | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | on the technical side we're still waiting for OHM, tablet-browser-ui and DSME :P | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | s/is work/has been made available ? | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, what RST38h said | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, can I linkify that? | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | the SDK? yeah | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a link? :P | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | i plan to have time to merge the pages after the 23rd :P | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fine, fine. ;) | 23:31 |
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| Pio | is there a command you can run in the terminal (on a nokia 770) which will cause opera to load a specific URL? | 23:31 |
| Pio | like i'm sitting here reading a webpage on my workstation with a huge url.. i'd love to be able to ssh to the nokia and paste the url | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | browser --url=%url% works on a n800 with diablo, dunno about opera | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Was the first highlights not bit-sized enough? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/bit/bite/ | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Actually, hrm, nevermind. | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ Let me know if I've missed anything. | 23:36 |
| wazd | back again | 23:36 |
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| Pio | works, thanks qwerty12_N800 | 23:40 |
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| wazd | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/0/09/HOME_05.png that mockup is way better than current | 23:43 |
| wazd | why was it banned? | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot05.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot03.png <- getting there | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm working on fixing the grey bars atm) | 23:49 |
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| yerga | Stskeeps, yes it has icons | 23:54 |
| yerga | not very nice but it has | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:55 |
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