IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-01-04

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lcuk	\o/ i have test cases using the library for: grey font rendering, color font rendering, image blitting with and without blending, sketch blitting :D	00:00
born2wonderN810	after installation of mer finished and the flashing seemingly done correctly , there is no bootmenu and NIT loads to flash automatically	00:00
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Mousey	hi	00:01
Mousey	will minigpsd make my gps aquire faster?	00:01
lcuk	no	00:03
Mousey	;_;	00:03
lcuk	sure, they are here http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_204824.lib.scr.png	00:03
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213257.lib.scr.png	00:03
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213341.lib.scr.png	00:03
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_215839.lib.scr.png	00:03
lcuk	balls	00:03
* qwerty12_N800 gets out his northerner to southerner converter		00:05
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lcuk	oi, i need something which doesnt come back to different chans when im talking	00:05
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Proteous	something which doesn't come back to different chans?	00:09
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qwerty12_N800	Proteous, don't worry about it, i just pretend to understand northerner	00:10
qwerty12_N800	-er	00:10
lcuk	at least my code isnt written in rabcnesbitt	00:11
qwerty12_N800	see? who else understands that?	00:11
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x29a	hm, i dont get it, when booting from external card, what goes in the 480MB dospartition and what in the rest of the sd card? i want to use my sdcard instead of flash/internal mmc	00:13
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rm_you	what happened to maemo-recorder?	00:45
qwerty12_N800	still should be in extras iirc	00:45
rm_you	hrm	00:45
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mib_ibbfeo	So I heard it's now possible to install Debian on an N810	00:48
mib_ibbfeo	It's about time =) I've been waiting for that forever	00:48
oli	qwerty12_N800: has anyone made anyremote script set for tablets yet?	00:50
qwerty12_N800	oli, nope, only thing ever done was http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209643&postcount=25 which I don't think is what you are looking for...	00:52
oli	qwerty12_N800: yes, i've seen that post. I will try to modify it by myself. however it's nice to control mpd with my n6230i via bt :)	00:55
qwerty12_N800	bemused mpd? :D	00:55
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oli	eee? no, normal mpd from maemo garage + anyremote bulit-in script	00:56
qwerty12_N800	ah, thanks! Didn't know anyremote could do that, i built bemused mpd but it has an annoying disconnection problem	00:57
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oli	anyremote+mpd is excellent, but it's the only script that works OK	00:59
qwerty12_N800	yeah, mplayer one gave me a funky double press problem last time iirc	01:00
oli	other ex. file browsing need change, busybox ls has got other parameters than ls from gnu coreutils	01:00
qwerty12_N800	busybox's one sucks, i use http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/color_ls_1.0-1_armel.deb	01:00
qwerty12_N800	replaces ls safely with an coreutils one	01:01
oli	i must have it, colors are really useful for me :)	01:01
qwerty12_N800	yep, I can't live without ls with colour on tablet now :D	01:02
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b-man	ubuntu for nit's; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - have fun!	01:18
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lcuk	standard gtk, what do i use if i want just a small (100x100pixel) area	01:34
lcuk	(with a backing x11 window)	01:34
AStorm	DrawingArea	01:35
lcuk	excellent, thank you :)	01:36
lcuk	(was just clicking onto the page as well :D)	01:36
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b-man	born2wonder; http://rapidshare.com/files/179521540/merinstaller.deb.html	01:42
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b-man	lcuk, Astorm; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - take a look :D	01:51
AStorm	meh ubuntu	01:52
AStorm	I want a build of Gentoo :P	01:52
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b-man	someone is allrety working on Gentoo :)	01:54
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AStorm	I know	01:57
AStorm	it should be simple really	01:57
AStorm	I'm just strapped for time right now	01:57
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lcuk	ok, so i have a gtk window, it has a drawingarea on it, its kinda correctly refreshing in the frame, BUT, it is drawing itself, then gtk is drawing as well	02:07
lcuk	how do i block refresh of the gtk drawingarea thing? make it completely ignorant of the gtk actions	02:08
AStorm	uhm?	02:08
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AStorm	you are supposed to handle the expose event	02:09
AStorm	blit to the window in it	02:09
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lcuk	no can do, like opengl, its a different layer	02:10
AStorm	hmm	02:11
AStorm	then handle it blank	02:11
AStorm	or just block the event	02:11
AStorm	actually, you could handle it anyway	02:11
AStorm	redrawing nothing, only changing the overlay shape	02:11
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AStorm	handle it returning True	02:13
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AStorm	(sorry, talking pygtk, but it's the same in normal gtk)	02:13
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lcuk	ok, now im really confused	02:39
lcuk	the xv overlay is infact being ummm overlayed by gtk still	02:39
nomis	lcuk: xv "overlay" works by a key color. At least on a regular desktop X11.	02:43
lcuk	o.O	02:43
lcuk	but it shows if i draw outside of the expose event	02:43
lcuk	if i do it in the expose event of the drawing_area it doesnt show at all	02:44
AStorm	because it's an overlay!	02:44
AStorm	you're supposed to redraw the key color in expose event	02:44
lcuk	yeah AStorm agreed, then why is gtk drawing over part of it	02:44
lcuk	the 2 areas are both the same color	02:44
lcuk	white	02:44
lcuk	i think the overlay part is not as we expect from desktop	02:45
lcuk	nomis, i would expect what you said if it was a hardware overlay	02:45
lcuk	i think its just the order things occur in, the LCD just blits rectangles over the top of each other with no specific hardware overlay - thats just a software abstraction within omapfb	02:46
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nomis	lcuk: quite possible. I have no real clue how it is implemented on the Devices.	02:46
lcuk	yeah me neither, im not even sure i need to get head too far into this at this point	02:46
lcuk	its beyond what i was thinking about earlier this morning	02:46
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pupnik_	As the sun set, I drank a guinness and looked at the stream. http://pupnik.de/IndigoStream01.jpg	02:58
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Grackle	That looks awesome.	03:05
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b-man	i tryed to make my ubuntu anouncment over at #ubuntu - way too crazy over there. :p	03:08
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pupnik_	thanks Grackle	03:10
b-man	e.g. 5 posts per second - i got buried	03:10
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lcuk	oooooooooooooh it works if i just have a window and a drawing_area	03:29
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lcuk	how in holy hell do i make gtk listen to and let me know about strange events	04:08
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alterego	What kind of strange events?	04:31
alterego	Basically you add event masks to the widget you're connecting the signal handler to.	04:31
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lcuk	alterego, there is a ShmCompletionEvent which is sent to x11 when the data has been sent all the way to the lcd. if i touch the data before this point it tears. in native x11 i can see it, in gtk i have no way of seeing it	04:34
lcuk	i can listen for things like "realize" "expose_event" but there doesnt seem to be a catchall for the events outside of GTKs knowledge	04:35
alterego	You'll have to go straight to X11 via GDK then I'd imagine.	04:39
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derf	lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-add-filter	04:45
alterego	Yes, remember that Gtk actually uses Shm Completion Event too I believe.	04:46
lcuk	:D thanks derf	04:46
lcuk	i only wanna listen for it, not doing anything	04:46
alterego	Fair nuff	04:47
lcuk	anything drastic*	04:48
alterego	;)	04:48
derf	Note that you may also need to call gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type()	04:49
derf	E.g., gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type(display, XShmGetEventBase(display), ShmNumberEvents);	04:50
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lcuk	heh, this is taking much longer than i had considered :)	04:54
lcuk	i was on such a roll today, built libliqbase, made a load of tests actually seem to have it running without the house crashing down. expanded to see if i could pass in an existing window..	04:55
pupnik_	good job lcuk	04:57
robink	My BeagleBoard came	04:58
Grackle	whee	04:59
nomis	robink: which revision?	04:59
nomis	(are they shipping rev. C1 yet?)	04:59
pupnik_	cold the air up there	05:03
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robink	nomis: B7?	05:26
robink	nomis: I'm not sure.	05:26
robink	nomis: The C1 isn't out until March	05:29
robink	...and my board is indeed a B7.	05:29
AStorm	lcuk, so, you ended up writing a widget from scratch? :)	05:33
AStorm	maybe I'm on a roll today too, let's see	05:33
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lcuk	AStorm, i wrote my own widget way back when.	05:39
AStorm	when you ditched the DrawingArea :P	05:39
lcuk	it is what currently powers liqbase, the library I have put together today is the simple dumb render tool: sdl/pygame level	05:39
AStorm	ah	05:39
AStorm	not gtk then?	05:39
lcuk	when I first started drawing onto the xv YUV surface I could not use GTK...	05:40
AStorm	you could	05:40
AStorm	with gtk.gdk.Window	05:40
AStorm	(that is, lower level than gtk proper)	05:40
AStorm	anyway, good job if sdl works fine	05:41
lcuk	the canvas i draw on is similar in regard to mplayer	05:41
AStorm	btw, is xv really faster than usual X?	05:41
lcuk	you have seen liqbase :)	05:42
AStorm	(seeing as it's not hardware accelerated)	05:42
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lcuk	but gtk is decellerated, and yes actually, it is	05:42
AStorm	mhm	05:42
AStorm	weird then that I geet nice and low cpu usage out of it	05:42
AStorm	maybe it's because I do double buffering myself	05:43
lcuk	the xv mode is not the same as the x11 mode uses and talks directly with the omap	05:43
AStorm	hm.	05:43
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zakkm	anyone try the new Nitdroid yet?	05:43
AStorm	lcuk, hmm, I need a good hash over multiple numbers	05:45
AStorm	fast and with low collision probability	05:46
AStorm	not necessarily cryptographically secure	05:46
AStorm	32-bit	05:46
zakkm	md5 512 ;p	05:46
lcuk	mmm? lots of numbers? strings?	05:46
AStorm	no, few numbers	05:46
AStorm	like, 3 to 6	05:46
lcuk	build a tree	05:46
AStorm	no	05:47
lcuk	or just search	05:47
AStorm	no	05:47
AStorm	I mean, the input to the hash would be 3 to 6 numbers	05:47
lcuk	then just sum them	05:47
AStorm	the objects hashed will be many	05:47
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AStorm	no, sum will collide	05:47
zakkm	irssi bolds *'s ;p	05:47
AStorm	zakkm, yes :P	05:47
lcuk	often?	05:47
AStorm	often enough	05:48
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zakkm	i hate gentoo, taking ages to compile gnome	05:48
AStorm	who needs gnome?	05:48
zakkm	i do?	05:48
AStorm	also, there are tricks to speed it up	05:48
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zakkm	im aware, ive done them all	05:48
AStorm	like, try a better filesystem for /var/tmp	05:48
zakkm	yup	05:49
zakkm	ram :)	05:49
AStorm	(e.g. tmpfs)	05:49
zakkm	ive done that	05:49
zakkm	gave it 20% = 2gb	05:49
zakkm	50%**	05:49
AStorm	distcc	05:49
zakkm	i dont have other pcs	05:49
AStorm	parallel make	05:49
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zakkm	makeopts is -j3	05:49
AStorm	and not going over your head with flags	05:49
zakkm	xd	05:49
zakkm	i dont know so far im at like 3 hr 30min?	05:49
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zakkm	just gnome packages	05:50
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AStorm	full gnome? what's the machine?	05:50
zakkm	im guessing another 15min?	05:50
zakkm	yes full gnome .. 2.24.2? .. pentinum E2180 2ghz, 4gb ddr2 ram	05:50
AStorm	lcuk, so, I need 2 hashes: one would be 65b -> 32b	05:50
zakkm	march=nocona :)	05:50
AStorm	another 130b -> 32b	05:51
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AStorm	zakkm, I take it you're running core2?	05:51
lcuk	no, you need a decent folding function	05:51
AStorm	and read the wrong wiki	05:51
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AStorm	lcuk, yes, compression function = hash	05:51
zakkm	AStorm: ... not core 2.. but it follows same march	05:51
AStorm	pentium4	05:51
AStorm	mhm	05:51
zakkm	no	05:51
zakkm	pentinum E	05:51
zakkm	pentinum dual core ...	05:51
AStorm	hmm, the laptop one?	05:52
zakkm	no.	05:52
zakkm	your really bad at knowing cpus ;p	05:52
AStorm	weird cpu	05:52
zakkm	It goes Celeron E, Pentinum E, then Core 2 E	05:52
zakkm	and then quad Core which is Q	05:52
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AStorm	gimme /proc/cpuinfo	05:52
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zakkm	permission denied?	05:53
AStorm	as that Pentium might be like Pentium3 not 4 (which is nocona)	05:53
AStorm	zakkm, root?	05:53
zakkm	nooo lol	05:53
zakkm	yes root	05:53
zakkm	im noot that dumb lol	05:53
zakkm	its not pentinum 3 lol	05:53
zakkm	okay listen	05:53
zakkm	its after Pentinum D	05:53
lcuk	int32 hash = fold_from64(a[0],fold_from64(a[1],a[2]));	05:54
zakkm	it goes pentinum D.. .Pentinum E ... then Core2E	05:54
AStorm	lcuk, from 65	05:54
zakkm	i wouldnt pay $72 for a pentinum 3 lol	05:54
AStorm	whatever	05:54
AStorm	the architecture is what matters	05:55
zakkm	lets go with a weak core 2 duo	05:55
AStorm	and I reckon it's not nocona	05:55
zakkm	same arch, weaker clock	05:55
AStorm	which is explicitly Pentium 4	05:55
TrueJournals	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core	05:55
zakkm	omg it is	05:55
zakkm	Astorm: onesec	05:55
zakkm	Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad / Xeon 51xx/53xx, Pentium Dual-Core T23xx+/Exxxx	05:56
zakkm	see XD	05:56
AStorm	ok	05:56
zakkm	it follows nocona	05:56
AStorm	it's not nocona	05:56
AStorm	it has no relation to Pentium4	05:56
zakkm	yes it is	05:56
zakkm	-.-	05:57
AStorm	use march=core2 or mtune=generic	05:57
zakkm	no	05:57
zakkm	i cant use core2	05:57
zakkm	core 2's can	05:57
AStorm	you can	05:57
AStorm	with -mno-sse4	05:57
AStorm	or such	05:57
zakkm	dont even have gcc 4.3	05:57
zakkm	i know nocona is right	05:57
AStorm	it's wrong	05:58
AStorm	benchmark first	05:58
zakkm	hows it wrong	05:58
zakkm	tell me	05:58
AStorm	because the cpu timings are all off	05:58
zakkm	cpu timings?	05:58
zakkm	its right lol	05:58
AStorm	no, it's frigginnot	05:58
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AStorm	I checked the gcc code	05:58
AStorm	I benchmarked it	05:59
zakkm	lol	05:59
AStorm	it avoids certain instructions which were slow on P4	05:59
AStorm	and optimizes for a deep pipeline	05:59
AStorm	which core doesn't have	05:59
zakkm	its no ta penintum 4	05:59
zakkm	is ti?	05:59
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AStorm	and this pentium dual core is core 2 with less cache	06:00
AStorm	:P	06:00
zakkm	its not a pentiunm 4 dual core	06:00
zakkm	its a pentiunm dual core	06:00
AStorm	...	06:00
AStorm	and nocona is pentium 4	06:00
AStorm	your's is either core duo or core 2 duo	06:01
AStorm	(no matter the brand)	06:01
zakkm	so your telling me is hould use =core2?	06:01
AStorm	yes, if available	06:02
AStorm	maybe =core if there's one (there's not in 4.3)	06:02
AStorm	it's probably Allendale, so that'd be core2	06:02
zakkm	your a gentoo user?	06:03
AStorm	yes	06:03
zakkm	cool gnome just finished :)	06:03
* alterego shudders		06:03
AStorm	and I tested march nocona to hell on my core2	06:04
zakkm	lol	06:04
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zakkm	core2 is significantly better?	06:04
AStorm	and found it slower in apps	06:04
AStorm	it is	06:04
AStorm	even pentium3 is	06:04
AStorm	:)	06:04
AStorm	no march is better	06:04
zakkm	may i pm you the emerge info?	06:04
AStorm	sure	06:04
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AStorm	I guess I'll just go with CRC-32 or such	06:58
AStorm	hmm, no	07:00
AStorm	a hash function that has strong clustering would be better in my case	07:01
johnx	mornin'	07:02
AStorm	hmmmh	07:02
AStorm	nah, for similarity to work in my case, I'd need many more bits :/	07:03
johnx	I can provide some extra bits: 010101	07:03
Proteous	heh	07:04
zakkm	finally glibc finished ;p	07:04
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johnnyjohnjohn	good evening	07:45
johnx	hi johnnyjohnjohn	07:45
johnnyjohnjohn	hey johnx	07:45
johnnyjohnjohn	question for you: know of any apps for maemo so I can browse my apps like an iphone?	07:46
johnnyjohnjohn	or a way of rearranging the interface	07:46
johnnyjohnjohn	I can't find any examples anywhere	07:46
johnx	itablet, and personal launcher	07:47
johnnyjohnjohn	and I wouldn't know where to begin with discecting ubuntu mobile	07:47
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johnnyjohnjohn	awesome thanks	07:48
johnx	do you have experience with theming for other things?	07:48
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johnnyjohnjohn	only for the web	07:49
johnnyjohnjohn	I did some linux stuff	07:49
johnnyjohnjohn	but it was coded and cut by someone else	07:49
johnx	I can't picture re-arranging the panels being much more difficult than hacking css layouts	07:49
johnx	just...time consuming to get started	07:49
johnnyjohnjohn	you can look up my work via my name on gnome-look	07:49
johnnyjohnjohn	openartist	07:49
johnnyjohnjohn	I did the logo for Lighttpd	07:50
johnnyjohnjohn	:)	07:50
johnx	ah, love the style	07:50
johnx	I would love a really simple flat theme for maemo	07:51
johnnyjohnjohn	I'm working on a mobile interface project which is why I'm on IRC	07:51
johnnyjohnjohn	yeah, I'm trying to make a cross-platform theme	07:51
johnnyjohnjohn	for the desktop and mobile devices	07:51
johnx	aaah...dunno how much you'll be able to reuse	07:52
johnnyjohnjohn	a sort of standard theme across linux and open devices	07:52
johnx	you could some art I guess	07:52
johnnyjohnjohn	do you think there would be any volunteers out there to help make a theme?	07:52
johnnyjohnjohn	If I did the layouts and designs?	07:53
johnx	hmm	07:53
johnnyjohnjohn	I mean, as soon as I launch the project I'm sure to find some volunteers	07:54
johnnyjohnjohn	I'm pretty confident about it	07:54
johnx	theming on the tablet is pretty intensive in terms of artwork	07:54
johnx	lots of things that are done programatically on desktop linux are actually pictures in maemo	07:54
johnnyjohnjohn	well, it's actually as intensive as a large web project	07:55
johnx	a fair comparison I think :)	07:55
johnx	have you looked at theme-maker?	07:55
johnnyjohnjohn	not yet	07:55
johnx	it has a template	07:55
johnx	but that's for the normal layout	07:55
johnx	I've never known anyone who made an alternative layout except the ubuntu mobile guys	07:56
johnx	so basically, you want to kill off the left bar and have a desktop full of app launchers, like the iphone, right?	07:57
johnnyjohnjohn	yeah, well that, and have "multiple views"	07:57
johnnyjohnjohn	so that the desktop interface can be a number of different styles	07:57
johnnyjohnjohn	and transition animations are configurable	07:58
johnx	"different styles" as in different layouts for the panels?	07:58
johnnyjohnjohn	yeah, perhaps	07:58
johnx	cause that's getting pretty ambitious	07:58
johnnyjohnjohn	or for instance	07:58
johnnyjohnjohn	having a "list" menu style like a zune or the ipod	07:58
johnnyjohnjohn	with different kinds of scrolling	07:59
johnnyjohnjohn	through icons	07:59
johnnyjohnjohn	or just names	07:59
johnx	ok, now you're talking about coding a whole new launcher :P	07:59
johnx	hmm...or co-opting someone else's :D	07:59
johnx	yeah, I think you could get people interested	08:00
johnx	IMHO, you should put together a really rough, quick layout, and post on internettablettalk.com/forums	08:00
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johnnyjohnjohn	cool	08:00
johnx	you certainly have me interested as I'm looking for a 640x480 maemo layout for my own ends :D	08:01
pupnik_	i saw a complete uatx motherboard with atom cpu (missing RAM) for about 70 euro today	08:01
johnnyjohnjohn	oh cool	08:01
pupnik_	dual atom-cpu @ 1.6ghz	08:01
pupnik_	that would replace a desktop box for me in some ways	08:02
johnnyjohnjohn	well my whole concept is to really create an optimal interface for mobile and desktop environments	08:02
johnx	pupnik_, pretty nice deal. I think I've seen them just as cheap on newegg.com but good deal for people in Europe	08:02
johnx	johnnyjohnjohn, do you have a tablet?	08:02
johnnyjohnjohn	and I've been involved with the nuigroup.org project	08:02
johnnyjohnjohn	just a maemo	08:02
johnnyjohnjohn	but I use a waco	08:02
johnnyjohnjohn	wacom pen tablet :)	08:03
johnx	err...sorry, meant internet tablet in this case. n800? n810?	08:03
johnnyjohnjohn	n900	08:03
johnnyjohnjohn	haven't used it much though	08:03
johnx	n900?	08:04
johnnyjohnjohn	yeah	08:04
johnx	the one coming out in june 2009 :)	08:04
johnnyjohnjohn	oh wait	08:04
johnnyjohnjohn	sorry	08:04
johnx	broke into Nokia and grabbed one of their prototypes? :D	08:04
johnx	now that would get people's attention on iTT :D	08:04
johnnyjohnjohn	n810	08:05
johnnyjohnjohn	that's what it is	08:05
lcuk	johnnyjohnjohn, :) have you seen my work?	08:05
johnnyjohnjohn	no	08:05
johnnyjohnjohn	what is it?	08:05
johnx	lcuk, just who I was expecting to be interested :D	08:06
johnx	I should figure out some layout stuff then ...	08:06
johnnyjohnjohn	do you have a link?	08:06
lcuk	start here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ (and vote me up while you are there :P), my homepage is liqbase.net, and then to top it off for tonight, my app launcher	08:07
lcuk	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254048	08:07
johnx	ahaha...what a wonderful timing coincidence :)	08:07
lcuk	im up really late tonight :S	08:08
johnx	jeez, no kidding. I didn't expect to see you for another ~4-5 hours	08:09
johnnyjohnjohn	it would be awesome if you could make your doodles hyperlinks	08:09
lcuk	johnnyjohnjohn, :) wouldnt it just	08:10
johnnyjohnjohn	I mean, I'd be into it	08:10
lcuk	johnx, got a lot straight in my mind tonight	08:10
johnnyjohnjohn	oh yeah	08:10
johnnyjohnjohn	and trigger sound files and movies	08:10
johnx	lcuk, good good. :) and looks like I have my next task to solve: panel layouts :$	08:11
lcuk	johnnyjohnjohn, every single box in the ui can technically house a sketch	08:11
lcuk	every single sketch can contain multiple sketches	08:11
lcuk	anyway, bedtime	08:13
johnx	'night lcuk :)	08:13
lcuk	johnnyjohnjohn, my mail address is clearly visible pretty much everywhere liqbase related, send me a mail	08:13
johnnyjohnjohn	cool	08:14
johnnyjohnjohn	have a good night	08:14
johnnyjohnjohn	:)	08:14
johnx	so, yes, definitely post a sample layout to itt forums, and I'll see if I can figure out the layout...but no promises	08:16
johnx	hmm, also can you picture your theme working ok rotated 90 degrees? as in 480x800? or 480x640?	08:18
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pupnik_	also nice	08:21
pupnik_	a notebook hard drive consisting of 6 full-size SD slots	08:22
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johnx	yeah, seen those in a couple places. and I always liked the IDE->CF converters	08:22
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pupnik_	yeah johnx	08:56
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pupnik_	btw i may seriously consider putting up a 'Hall of Shame' for apps that create their own repository / App-Mgr categories	08:57
johnx	you mean a nice list so people can add those repos and break their n8x0?	08:57
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johnx	:D	08:58
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johnx	hey rm_you\| :)	09:09
rm_you\|	bbl	09:11
rm_you\|	heading to beths	09:11
rm_you\|	>_>	09:11
johnx	grrr :P	09:11
rm_you\|	i'll eat some hashbrowns for you	09:11
rm_you\|	<_<	09:11
rm_you\|	bbl	09:11
johnx	'later	09:11
johnx	enjoy	09:11
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tlkg	anyone use irreco to connect to a linux box with the telnet backend?	09:20
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pupnik_	johnx: in app manager - show installable applications - look at all the categories containing only one program	09:49
pupnik_	that is an embarassment	09:49
qwerty12	Like this: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png? :D	09:50
johnx	pupnik_, push Nokia to get a new SSU out with GA's fixed catagories	09:50
johnx	99% of the apps would be in Other right now :)	09:50
johnx	anyways, off into the world	09:50
pupnik_	cheers johnx	09:53
pupnik_	nice job to qwerty12	09:53
qwerty12	It's not my work (minus some parts on the hide legal message) :)	09:54
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Stskeeps	morning	10:34
qwerty12	morning Stskeeps	10:34
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Stskeeps	johnx: just push source package to builder if so :)	10:39
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Stskeeps	morning meiz	11:11
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Meiz_n810	morning	11:14
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MaceN800	damnit	11:24
Stskeeps	morn	11:24
MaceN800	my g1 has a dead pixel	11:25
MaceN800	2 days old	11:25
MaceN800	im taking it back first thing tomorrow	11:26
MaceN800	using my n95 again	11:26
MaceN800	you think nokia would repair my n95?	11:26
MaceN800	it's taken a couple minor falls	11:27
MaceN800	and has 2 scratches and a slight chip	11:27
MaceN800	only cosmetic, but ugly	11:27
MaceN800	wonder if i can get a replacement case kit for it	11:28
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pupnik_	what is a g1	11:43
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qwerty12	pupnik_, http://www.t-mobileg1.com/	11:44
pupnik_	ah	11:48
pupnik_	looks almost not sucky	11:48
pupnik_	- no std headphone jack	11:48
pupnik_	- 320x480 display	11:48
Vulcanis	thats IT?!	11:49
Vulcanis	320x480 seems absurd	11:49
pupnik_	+ kbd looks usable	11:49
pupnik_	iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular	11:50
qwerty12	Hah, http://i37.tinypic.com/2vj2bk4.jpg	11:52
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MaceN800	ok.. that was strange	12:02
MaceN800	n800 batt went from 80% to low	12:02
Vulcanis	[04:50:15] <pupnik_> iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular -- its also disgusting	12:02
Vulcanis	qwerty12: My favorite was a vista error	12:03
Vulcanis	that told me the windows error reporting service had stopped	12:03
Vulcanis	er	12:03
Vulcanis	crashed	12:03
qwerty12	Ha	12:03
MaceN800	haha	12:03
qwerty12	I like keeping it disabled anyway :P	12:03
MaceN800	ugh... need my bbt kb	12:04
MaceN800	bt	12:04
MaceN800	wish i got an n810 insteaad of the n800	12:05
MaceN800	that's better	12:05
MaceN800	i wonder if i coudl map the menu button on this thing	12:06
MaceN800	you woudl figre an n800 would have support for a su8w	12:06
Jaffa	Mornin'	12:07
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keesj	hi ppl	12:15
qwerty12	hi keesj	12:17
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keesj	been using n800 for real the last two weeks	12:18
keesj	used liqbase a lot and canola. really missed the gps	12:19
keesj	but my n810's touchscreen was killed by kids	12:19
qwerty12	I'm surprised my N800's touchscreen hasn't died yet :P	12:20
keesj	the 770 screen where bad but the n800 and 810 are much better.	12:20
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qwerty12	Looking at the amount of WSOD's with 770, I think 770 was a disaster imo. Except for being able to play videos better :)	12:21
keesj	but specialy with liqbase you see sensditivity problems around the borders of the screen	12:21
keesj	the 770 plastics and raw design are what I really like	12:22
Meiz_n810	Stskeeps: do you know what is gonna happen if i copy /etc/osso-af-init from maemo to Mer?	12:24
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MaceN800	hm	12:27
x29a	hey, anybody keen to help me set up my external sd card for booting? im following the wiki but i dont understand what the 480MB vfat partition is for, and the cloning script writes stuff to the second partition, so of course my initfs cant find anything to boot from	12:28
Meiz_n810	x29a: search for "console-tools" at internettablettalk.com	12:28
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MaceN800	there... that should do it	12:30
MaceN800	gftp seems much better	12:34
MaceN800	although im only getting 350K/s over wifi	12:35
MaceN800	that might be n800 sftp overhead tho	12:35
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Stskeeps	Meiz_n810: not sure its such a good idea :P	12:44
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Meizirkki	i just tried it, some errors, nothing else happened	12:45
qwerty12	xscreensaver is brilliant on the n800, I just need to fix the settings window to show everything	12:46
Stskeeps	qwerty12: it is very cpu intensive	12:46
qwerty12	Stskeeps, hehe, I don't think people will use it to save battery, I'm using it for the effects :)	12:47
Meizirkki	is there any terminal emulator for Mer, that could work h-i-m	12:47
Meizirkki	?	12:47
Meizirkki	with h-i-m	12:47
qwerty12	Meizirkki, when I first built roxterm and didn't hildonize it, it supported hildon input method out of the box. In fact, it even said h-i-m in its menu	12:47
Meizirkki	ok, thanks	12:48
qwerty12	This was in Maemo though	12:48
* qwerty12 goes and has some fun with glade...		12:48
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Stskeeps	Meizirkki: we have some problems with osso-xterm and vte atm but sooner or later..	12:51
Meizirkki	ok	12:52
Meizirkki	There is h-i-m selected in ROXterm menu, but i don't know how to get it up...	12:52
Stskeeps	click the terminal? dunno :P	12:52
qwerty12	Stskeeps, how about using libvte9 and applying maemo patches to that instead? but I don't know how far that would make you deviate from maemo though...	12:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12: maybe	12:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12: i just suspect this isn't the only app we'll run into with that problem though	12:53
qwerty12	yer	12:54
qwerty12	I do think the mer sdk does need fixing though	12:54
Stskeeps	yeah	12:54
Stskeeps	well one of the problems might be that your scratchbox core isnt recent	12:55
qwerty12	Could be actually, I haven't updated this system in a long time (apologies in advance for blaming your sdk if it is me not updating)	12:55
Stslaptop	hehe, no need to apologise to me :)	12:55
Stslaptop	scratchbox is sometimes a bit of a clusterfuck :)	12:56
qwerty12	hehe :)	12:56
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Meizirkki	Stskeeps: look at tablet-wireless script, there is following line: "ifconfig wlan0 up - was for network-manager"	13:04
Meizirkki	"-" should be "#" i guess?	13:05
Meizirkki	nm-applet still refuses to connect, when i removed the "- was for network-manager" part.	13:07
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x29a	Meizirkki: so the vfat/dos partition is only for showing up when plugged in as usb-device?	13:15
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x29a	swapon > virtual memory?	13:20
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MaceN800	hm. tmob only gives me an edge connection in my n95	13:22
Stslaptop	Meizirkki: you're right	13:24
MaceN800	i want to try nitdroid	13:24
MaceN800	but no sound or bt? =)	13:25
MaceN800	that's rough	13:25
Meizirkki	x29a: yes	13:26
Meizirkki	(swap = virtual memory [on card])	13:27
x29a	ok	13:27
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MaceN800	wow	13:34
MaceN800	no maemo support for bt headphones still?	13:34
MaceN800	am i missing something here?	13:34
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MaceN800	figured a2dp would be there by now	13:37
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MaceN800	wtf... i cant believe there is no a2dp support right out the box for an n800	13:48
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Stskeeps	MaceN800: trust me, i wasnt happy about it either :P	13:54
MaceN800	is it possible to add it?	13:55
Stskeeps	but so it is. it supports bt headset, but not headphone. fremantle will support a2dp	13:55
Stskeeps	there's a larger thread on iTT on it	13:55
MaceN800	fremantle?	13:55
MaceN800	os 2009?	13:55
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MaceN800	;)	13:55
Stskeeps	maemo 5.0 :P	13:56
MaceN800	hah!	13:57
MaceN800	requires reflash?	13:57
MaceN800	or can diablo update on the fly?	13:57
qwerty12	It's not available officially on N800 or N810.	13:58
qwerty12	Or rather, will not be	13:58
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Stslaptop	which is what mer is for, but im not sure a2dp can run sanely on n8x0? :P	13:58
qwerty12	Probably not, I think lardman says it uses the cortex for a2dp	13:58
MaceN800	It has not yet been determined whether Fremantle will run on current N800, and N810 devices, though.[40]	14:01
MaceN800	that's a let down	14:02
MaceN800	;)	14:02
MaceN800	and i lost the wire phones that came w/ n800	14:03
qwerty12	"Maemo 5 comes today as an SDK only since it targets the OMAP3 architecture and no OMAP2 compatibility will be officially provided." ;)	14:03
MaceN800	thanks qwerty.. and i was going to get an xohm n810	14:03
MaceN800	glad i didnt	14:03
qwerty12	Yeah, the N900 with hspda will be better than wimax anyway :P	14:04
qwerty12	*RX-51	14:04
MaceN800	yeah but i just killed my att acct	14:04
MaceN800	and went w/ tmmob	14:05
qwerty12	What, doesn't T-Mobile USA provide 3g?	14:05
MaceN800	who are probably bw whores	14:05
qwerty12	I know they do over here	14:05
qwerty12	heh	14:05
MaceN800	they do	14:05
MaceN800	the woman at the store said that my service would be cut if i tried to use my g1 as a modem	14:06
MaceN800	the g1/android plan throttles	14:06
qwerty12	sucks :/	14:06
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MaceN800	i tried using an android client to download stuff and they cut me off at 5MB	14:06
MaceN800	i can use their edge all day long tho	14:06
MaceN800	my quad band unlocked n95 wont' connect to their 3G network	14:07
MaceN800	and i have no idea why heh	14:07
qwerty12	Is it an American N95? 3g frequencies in America are different to the ones in Europe	14:07
MaceN800	yah	14:08
MaceN800	n95-3	14:08
MaceN800	it worked fine with att	14:08
MaceN800	and if att's network wouldn't drop my ppp connectin all day long i'd have kept them	14:08
qwerty12	Is the SIM a USIM?	14:09
MaceN800	i think the moon had to be in a certain place for me to actually download more than 200M	14:09
MaceN800	hm	14:09
qwerty12	hah	14:09
MaceN800	honestly dunno	14:09
MaceN800	i havfe it in my n95 now	14:09
MaceN800	taking the g1 back because it has a dead pixel	14:09
MaceN800	made in china	14:09
MaceN800	no 2 day old device should have dead pixels	14:10
qwerty12	It's why I love my N800 - Made in Finland :)	14:10
MaceN800	yah	14:10
MaceN800	you can tell the quality difference between nokia products	14:10
MaceN800	well.. most of them	14:10
MaceN800	and htc stuff	14:10
MaceN800	the g1 is flimsy	14:10
MaceN800	it doesn't slide open as it more so CLUNKS open on this half circle arm thing	14:11
MaceN800	the n95 slides so smooth i was expecting oil to leak from it	14:11
qwerty12	Eurgh, hopefully, there will be better made products using android	14:11
MaceN800	yeah... let's hope so	14:12
MaceN800	because i have to admit.. android is really good	14:12
MaceN800	i think it beats the crap out of symbian to tell you the truth	14:12
qwerty12	Yeah, I quite enjoyed using nitdroid on the N800. Don't think it could replace Maemo on the N800 but I wouldn't mind having a separate android device	14:12
MaceN800	i don't understand why symbian is so hard to make nice looking heh	14:12
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MaceN800	i haven't tried it yet	14:13
MaceN800	no bt and no uhm.. no something that i like... sound?	14:13
MaceN800	so i haven't bothered	14:13
qwerty12	Blame linux-omap guys :P. Sound driver for N800 is too old :P	14:13
qwerty12	Sound works on N810 :/	14:14
MaceN800	haha	14:14
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MaceN800	does it?	14:14
MaceN800	no gps support tho	14:14
MaceN800	i wouldn't be able to live with myself having a piece of hardware in a unit not able to do anything	14:14
MaceN800	yeah.. so far maemo seems the only way to go	14:15
qwerty12	yeah, latest linux-omap tree has current support for sound in N810	14:15
qwerty12	Heh, looking at the gps, I think I could live without it :P	14:15
MaceN800	i could too	14:15
MaceN800	but it's the principle ;)	14:15
MaceN800	and the bt	14:15
MaceN800	i wouldn't be able to stand not being able to use my bt keyboard	14:16
MaceN800	the n800 doesn't use a standard headphone jack does it?	14:16
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qwerty12	Yep, it can use normal headphones fine. It has an extra 3rd prong but that's just for a microphone	14:16
MaceN800	i thought the 3rd prong would mess up standard headphones	14:17
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MaceN800	maybe it was a fluke last time i tried.. but the sound didn't seem right	14:18
MaceN800	i wish nokia would release an android device	14:18
suihkulokki	http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html	14:18
MaceN800	oficially	14:18
MaceN800	but they are stuck with symbian on their hones	14:18
suihkulokki	there's the intructions on porting n800 driver to current linux-omap :)	14:18
MaceN800	phones	14:18
MaceN800	suihk, i'm not that good	14:19
MaceN800	heh	14:19
glass	MaceN800: google isn't as open/free about official android as they like to pose	14:19
MaceN800	i'm wondering if the same could be said for nokia and symbian ;)	14:20
MaceN800	google allowed just enough out there to allow people to develop for it	14:20
glass	MaceN800: symbian is actually more open.. and the native apps are native	14:21
glass	open in the sense of what you can d	14:21
qwerty12	well, I found this ironic looking at the signing shit: http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/10/nokia-ad-open.jpg	14:21
MaceN800	giving them a market with a huge selection of software in a short amount of time	14:21
glass	o	14:21
MaceN800	but it's not as pretty and does not attract people to dev for it	14:21
MaceN800	it's boring ;)	14:22
MaceN800	symbian is great and powerful and you can get a lot done on it.. but it looks absolutely dull	14:22
MaceN800	it's like having a quad i7... and running blackbox on it just because you want to remain minimal	14:23
glass	you mean theming? or the stupid ui lib on s60?	14:24
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MaceN800	thhhhhhhhe ui	14:27
MaceN800	it's just a shitty ui :) well.. not shitty.. but yoou could do so much more with the hardware in an n95 or e71 than what symbian does	14:28
MaceN800	i'm waiting on an android for my n95	14:28
MaceN800	that would be so awesome	14:28
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florian	hi all	14:32
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Meizirkki	hi	14:33
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: found weird fix for libtool oddity	14:36
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, wicked	14:36
Stskeeps	go to ECHO="echo" in libtool (when generated), and change it to echo="echo"	14:36
qwerty12_N800	This is why i hate case sensitivity sometimes :P	14:37
Stskeeps	yeah..	14:38
MaceN800	is there anything to boost the vol in maemo?	14:38
MaceN800	the output from the jack seems so low	14:38
qwerty12_N800	If you use easy debian, gnome alsa mixer works a treat	14:39
MaceN800	im in stock maemo	14:39
qwerty12_N800	(although if truth be told, that's all I did use it for)	14:40
MaceN800	i havent had time to tweak my n800	14:40
Stskeeps	you got tired of your G1 already? :P	14:42
MaceN800	lol no!	14:42
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: i kinda like the "open to anything" motto for tablets though	14:42
MaceN800	i have it boxed up now	14:42
MaceN800	going to return it because it has a dead pixel	14:43
MaceN800	i don't play that shit on a brand new phone	14:43
MaceN800	and i'd probably be able to deal with it if it were in a place i wouldn't notice it much.. but it's in a spot that shows up in every menu i open	14:43
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, yeah.. I hope the rx-51 raises the stakes...	14:43
MaceN800	it's like bird shit right in front of your face on your windshield	14:43
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Stskeeps	MaceN800: think we have a rule in .dk dead pixels are ok .. up to 5 or so, but on a phone it might be different	14:45
Meizirkki	! I didn't know that in Mer, "chr" button kiks up menu in non-hildonized apps o_0	14:45
Stskeeps	as this rule is for tvs	14:45
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: i still dont have a n810 :P	14:45
Stskeeps	but neat	14:45
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: how broken is installer right now btw?	14:45
Meizirkki	it comes up to the place, where mouse is :P	14:46
Meizirkki	Stskeeps: it should work	14:46
MaceN800	a tv has far more pixels	14:46
MaceN800	heh	14:46
Stskeeps	Meizirkki: "should work"? :>	14:46
MaceN800	and i am sure that having a dead pixel on a brand new item is cause for return	14:46
Meizirkki	Stskeeps: i haven't tested the latest version, but we found what was wrong	14:46
Stskeeps	alright	14:47
Stskeeps	thanks for helping out, i just dont have time for those testings atm :P	14:47
Meizirkki	np	14:47
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: think libtool in mer devkit might aid things?	14:47
* RST38h moos evilly, fresh from debugging 68000 code		14:47
MaceN800	68000 code?	14:48
MaceN800	haha	14:48
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, probably, even more so if it's fixed	14:48
MaceN800	you coding for a sega genesis?	14:48
qwerty12_N800	moo RST38h	14:48
RST38h	Mace: I am debugging a sega genesis.	14:48
RST38h	Don't ask. And I won't tell how gay it is.	14:49
MaceN800	understood :)	14:49
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: only "issue" is that libtool is 2.x in ubuntu though	14:49
Stskeeps	and i'm willing to bet a lot of crap breaks :>	14:49
RST38h	qwerty: whaZZZup? (judging from the number of downloads from maemo.org, it is more like ZZZ than up)	14:50
qwerty12_N800	:/	14:50
qwerty12_N800	RST38h, heh, nothing much, just finished packaging zenity earlier :D	14:51
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: on the other hand, these issues would arise when nokia upgrades to libtool 2 too:P	14:51
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, maybe they never will :P	14:51
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MaceN800	http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_stereo_audio_with_XMMS	14:57
MaceN800	wtf?	14:57
MaceN800	so it's possible?	14:57
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gladiac	you can use a bluetooth device as a soundcard	14:58
gladiac	there is a kernel module for that	14:58
suihkulokki	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp	14:59
Stskeeps	i swear, with all the fucking about in scratchbox i've been doing, it's going to end up on my cv.	15:01
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johnx	Stskeeps, you can bet that once we get closer to Mer beta I'm going to add "package maintainer" to my resume	15:05
RST38h	Sts: "Skills: carmic sex with Scratchbox, deep knowledged of all positions"	15:05
RST38h	knowledge	15:05
Stskeeps	johnx: heh heh	15:05
johnx	RST38h, both giving and receiving	15:05
RST38h	yep.	15:05
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suihkulokki	Stskeeps: certainly belongs to a buzzword style CV :)	15:09
Stskeeps	hehe :P	15:10
RST38h	Actually, "Skills: Scratchboxing'	15:10
Stskeeps	that kinda fits the experience once in a while, yes	15:11
Stskeeps	(no offense meant to scratchbox coders, it is actually a good tool, just a little like boxing with the additional rule it's alright to scratch eachother.)	15:11
johnx	yeah, cross compiling is a hairy problem. OE and scratchbox make it saner, but it can never really be simple by definition of the problem	15:13
johnx	MaceN800, if you didn't already know AT&T and T-Mo use different bands for 3G in the US	15:14
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Stskeeps	sometimes i don't blame the java people :P	15:14
MaceN800	what band does tmob use?	15:14
johnx	hrrr...one of them uses 1700 and one uses 2100	15:15
johnx	dunno which is which	15:15
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: now with sane libtool, .. i think	15:16
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, brilliant. I'll give my system an update later	15:17
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: alright	15:17
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johnx	er, wait, t-mo uses both 1700 and 2100. but not the EU 2100. AT&T uses 1900 and 850	15:19
johnx	GSM/WCDMA frequencies are SNAFU	15:20
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* RST38h is most scare of three things in the US: the Cable Company, the Phone Company and the Cell Company		15:23
RST38h	scared	15:23
johnx	American oil isn't on the list?	15:23
RST38h	Satan's tripod	15:23
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RST38h	johnx: No, I do not have to converse with these	15:24
johnx	ah, I think they get us into more wars than the info-comm-tainment companies	15:24
RST38h	johnx: + oil guys are somewhere at the scale of natural disasters, they are not personified enough	15:24
johnx	oooh, other people working on omapfb?	15:28
Stskeeps	where?	15:28
johnx	http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/	15:28
Stskeeps	same place afaik	15:28
johnx	darn	15:28
johnx	didn't know that's where they came from	15:28
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johnx	they have manual updates though I think O_o	15:29
Stskeeps	only wv	15:29
Stskeeps	xv	15:29
Stskeeps	i think	15:29
johnx	that's an odd choice	15:30
Stskeeps	ask kulve sometime about it i guess	15:30
johnx	someone really needs to tell the guys on linux-omap about deblet...	15:33
Stskeeps	hm?	15:33
johnx	just read most of the thread linked in the scrollback	15:34
johnx	lots of people trying to make debian work with low degree of success	15:34
Stskeeps	url?	15:34
johnx	http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html	15:34
Stskeeps	otto = solca btw	15:35
johnx	yeah, guessed that :)	15:36
johnx	from the last name and the subject matter	15:36
Stskeeps	that's a good thread so far	15:36
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Stskeeps	but yea, it's fascinating to see how quick people get OS'es bootstrapped after getting to know what initfs tricks to employ :P	15:39
RST38h	BTW, gentlemen, what will you say if N9x0 comes with the 24bpp display?	15:39
johnx	bah, initfs tricks are cheating: why back in my day... shakes fist	15:39
alterego	I'll say, why they hell?	15:39
Stskeeps	yeah, men can only see 16 colors anyway	15:40
Stskeeps	:P	15:40
johnx	RST38h, i'll say: it'll be easy to switch to 16bit visuals in linux	15:40
Stskeeps	well, or distinguish	15:40
johnx	or name?	15:40
Stskeeps	.. that too	15:40
johnx	if I can't name it I don't want to see it :P	15:40
johnx	what's with muave and shartruse (sp?)	15:40
RST38h	johnx: no, what if the basic desktop color resolution is 24bpp?	15:41
alterego	Looks at Cairo::Colors :)	15:41
jaska	mauve chartreuse	15:41
qwerty12_N800	Bring the colours on, baby! :p	15:41
jaska	had to look up chartreuse	15:41
johnx	RST38h, I won't be surprised, but for people who need 16bit it shouldn't be too hard. also: it will probably be 32bit	15:41
johnx	jaska, exactly. if I have to look them up, I don't need um! 4-bits is enough for anyone	15:42
jaska	hehe.. i just remembered it started with a c	15:43
johnx	Stskeeps, I think we have DPMS in x-x-v-omapfb (!). no more dsme blacnking!	15:43
johnx	<- spelling b0rken	15:43
qwerty12_N800	I love dsme blacnking, don't you dare remove it	15:44
johnx	what about blanking? :P	15:44
johnx	can I remove that?	15:44
RST38h	johnx: Yes, it will be 32bit, i.e. twice as much data to move around	15:44
qwerty12_N800	johnx, sure :P	15:44
RST38h	johnx: And I am not asking it out of academic curiosity btw	15:44
Stskeeps	johnx: interesting	15:45
johnx	RST38h, if there's no difference in speed between 16/32bits on the GPU and they have the RAM to play with (say 512MB) it's just a question of making damn sure they don't do something really stupid with the LCD bus...again	15:46
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ShadowJK	That xf86-video-omapfb thing... It does some software conversion if you feed it YV12 (which is the native format for nearly all video codecs by default)... Surprise surprise, benchmarking xv on Maemo shows that YV12->XV is slower than YUY2->XV, with mplayer doing the conversion in the second case...	15:47
Stskeeps	ShadowJK: can you understand X driver structure? :P	15:47
Stskeeps	if so, code manual updates for us ;)	15:47
ShadowJK	And if this software behind-your-back conversion in the Xv driver hadn't been implemented in the first place, MPlayer would've automatically converted to YUY2 and it'd performed better without the need to tweak manually	15:48
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ShadowJK	(of course, the maemo port of mplayer has some scary raw omapfb output which slaughters xv anyway...)	15:48
ShadowJK	Stskeeps, no I have no clue	15:49
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johnx	ah, mplayer: a different output system for every fb :)	15:49
ShadowJK	yes well, when vendors and driver writers manage to cripple Xv so often, people resort to desperate acts	15:50
* johnx doesn't even remember xfbdev on the zaurus having xv...		15:51
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ssvb	ShadowJK: Xomap has an optimized YUV conversion code and it will slaughter that xf86-video-omapfb thing on Xv performance	15:52
ssvb	ShadowJK: that is until somebody cares to port optimized YUV conversion code to xf86-video-omapfb :)	15:53
johnx	yeah, but xorg fits so much better into ubuntu than xomap...	15:53
RST38h	johnx: there is x2 difference	15:54
ShadowJK	ssvb, quickly looking over it, I didn't find any other conversion than planar->packed?	15:54
ssvb	ShadowJK: that's the only relevant conversion	15:54
ssvb	the others are much less important	15:55
ShadowJK	right	15:55
johnx	RST38h, yes, in xv. but mice work 2x better or more in xorg. :P	15:55
RST38h	johnx: see, I started hacking into 5800 yesterday, an s60e5 device supposedly similar in hw to upcoming n9x0	15:55
ShadowJK	What I just benchmarked was then Xomap's conversion vs MPlayer's conversion	15:55
RST38h	johnx: and it seems to be restricted to 32bit RGBA mode	15:55
johnx	RST38h, huh? a poervr sgx? mbx?	15:55
RST38h	johnx: did not touch that, I just need scren buffer access	15:56
RST38h	wanted to drop it into 16bpp like previous s60e3 devices but no go	15:56
johnx	RST38h, sorry if this sounds dim, so you mean just the LCD controller doesn't support 16bit?	15:56
RST38h	johnx: apparently	15:57
RST38h	or the os does not let you enable it for some reason	15:57
johnx	odd. I think it will be on-chip on the omap3, yes? is there a reason you think the LCD controller in the OMAP3 will be the same as the 5800?	15:58
johnx	and what chipset is the 5800 using?	15:58
RST38h	good question with no answer	15:59
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RST38h	Nokia says "uses ARM11 CPU"	15:59
johnx	the LCD controller is probably on-chip I would assume.	16:00
alterego	I'm goign to be reinstalling my laptop today O_O	16:01
alterego	It'll probably take quite some time ^_^	16:01
johnx	always does	16:01
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johnx	~hail qwerty12 :)	16:09
* infobot bows down to qwerty12 :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"		16:09
johnx	woo! a nice clean version of zenity to use	16:09
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ShadowJK	heh time to playback 1000 frames: xv yv12 (Xomap doing conversion): ~70secs, xv yuy2 (MPlayer doing conversion): ~52secs, mplayer vo omapfb: ~43secs	16:27
ShadowJK	shocking :)	16:27
qwerty12_N800_	johnx, :)	16:27
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Stskeeps	next step on the road, a friggen toolchain	16:28
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* ShadowJK starts to see why mplayer omapfb output isn't in mplayer mainline		16:36
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: how do i stop redirection of autoconf?	16:40
Stskeeps	nm. got a solution now.	16:42
Stskeeps	or not.	16:42
MaceN800	i always thought not another teen movie was joking when they had the one black guy that was meant to say three things	16:43
MaceN800	until i watched armegeddon and the big black dude said something cliche like 'harry.. you da man'	16:43
Stskeeps	token black	16:43
MaceN800	yeah	16:43
MaceN800	it's like when they have a movie about the military	16:44
MaceN800	someone always has to salute at the end	16:44
MaceN800	like a few good men	16:44
MaceN800	where the Marine salutes indoors. Marines don't salute indoors unless they have a weapon	16:44
MaceN800	but it made for good tv i suppose	16:45
qwerty12_N800	stskeeps, I thought you could provide a full path to the one you want in your autogen script or similar? but something like (not tested), export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/autoconf ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH	16:45
Stskeeps	mm	16:45
Stskeeps	kludge on kludge..	16:46
johnx	sunday, sunday, sunday! hot kludge on kludge action at the megadome!	16:47
ssvb	ShadowJK: your results are very strange, normally you should not get better performance with yuy2	16:50
ShadowJK	ssvb, wouldn't this be because the hardware doesn't support YV12?	16:51
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ssvb	ShadowJK: but video decoders do not normally support YUY2, so a conversion is needed anyway	16:52
ShadowJK	yes	16:52
ShadowJK	I benchmark the 3 different implementations of this software conversion	16:52
ShadowJK	The video codec was still outputting YV12	16:53
ssvb	ShadowJK: and your results are strange, because YUY2 conversion should be slower	16:53
ShadowJK	Why?	16:53
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ssvb	ShadowJK: because it has to crunch more data to provide 16-bit output instead of 12-bit	16:54
ShadowJK	Judging by xf86-video-omapfb, the hardware is not able to accept 12-bit YV12?	16:55
ssvb	ShadowJK: it is able to accept 12-bit weird packed YUY420 format	16:56
johnx	woo! xset dpms force off appears to do the right thing	16:57
ShadowJK	hm	16:57
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johnx	it's almost like a normal linux machine!	16:57
Stskeeps	johnx: turning off display and backlight?	16:58
johnx	turning off backlight at least, how do I test to see if the display is really off	16:59
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Stskeeps	hehe	16:59
johnx	I think it's really off	17:00
Stskeeps	neat	17:00
Meizirkki	johnx: pandora?	17:01
johnx	n800	17:01
Meizirkki	ah	17:01
Meizirkki	:P	17:01
Stskeeps	johnx: funny detail about sleep_while_idle and n810 in that thread btw	17:01
johnx	no pandora in hand yet sighs	17:01
johnx	about the GPS uart?	17:01
Stskeeps	yeah	17:01
johnx	wonder what's happening in maemo	17:01
johnx	I mean OS2008/maemo	17:02
Stskeeps	i guess it can't go properly to sleep when gps is on, maybe	17:02
ShadowJK	ssvb, so is Xomap converting YV12 to this weird packed format?	17:02
ssvb	ShadowJK: yes, and the same does mplayer in omapfb	17:03
ssvb	ShadowJK: anyway, just did a benchmark myself and the results are: yv12 xv (78 seconds), yuv12 xv direct rendering (72 seconds), yuy2 xv (85 seconds), omapfb (61 seconds)	17:03
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ssvb	ShadowJK: I suspect there is a problem in mplayer direct rendering implementation, theoretically it should be almost as fast as omapfb	17:04
ssvb	ShadowJK: enabling direct rendering: '-dr -nomenu', enabling yuy2: '-vf yuy2'. Did you try something different?	17:05
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ShadowJK	-vf format=yuy2	17:06
ShadowJK	Atleast in the case of Xv vs vidix, xmga and similar things on x86, there's an extra memcpy() done by X in the Xv path	17:08
ssvb	ShadowJK: 'direct rendering' tries to get rid of this extra memcpy	17:09
ssvb	ShadowJK: anyway, YUY2 is still the slowest for me, you must have done something different in your test	17:09
ShadowJK	hm	17:09
ShadowJK	-ao null -noframedrop	17:10
ShadowJK	and -benchmark to play as fast as it can	17:10
ssvb	ShadowJK: I used -nosound -benchmark -quiet	17:10
ShadowJK	try add -noframedrop ?	17:10
ssvb	ShadowJK: what version of firmware/Xomap are you using?	17:12
ShadowJK	uh, whatever you get with diablo & ssu..	17:13
ssvb	ok	17:13
ssvb	ShadowJK: I just thought that you might have been using old Xomap version, or rebuilt it yourself using configuration without armv6 optimizations enabled, nevermind	17:14
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alterego	This is going to take _ages_ ..	17:25
johnx	yawning? backups are exciting!	17:25
alterego	The should implement transparent compression over DMA ..	17:28
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ssvb	ShadowJK: by the way, have you run your tests with frequency scaling disabled (and CPU forced at 400MHz)?	17:31
ShadowJK	let me do that	17:34
ShadowJK	rerunning without audio decoding right now	17:34
ShadowJK	forcing = set governor to performance?	17:34
ssvb	ShadowJK: also make sure that there is nothing like metalayer-crawler running :)	17:35
johnx	Stskeeps, the new builder '=' only applies if I'm not building the highest version number available, right?	17:35
ShadowJK	running everything 5 times	17:35
ssvb	ShadowJK: echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active	17:35
Stskeeps	johnx: yeah. anything that needs gcc and such that needs building atm? i'm fucking about a bit with builder so	17:36
ShadowJK	what does op_active do?	17:36
ssvb	ShadowJK: the device supports OP modes 0, 1, 2 and 3. OP0 is 400MHz	17:36
Stskeeps	johnx: (kinda broken libtool right now.)	17:37
johnx	Stskeeps, I'll just do it later. no worries	17:37
ssvb	ShadowJK: also it is better to benchmark with '-nosound', with just '-ao null' audio is still decoded and using CPU	17:39
ShadowJK	yeah	17:39
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RST38h	Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015	17:59
RST38h	Hehe	18:00
johnx	I don't really see military rockets "tainting" NASA. seems to make sense to me	18:01
RST38h	johnx: it will have to go both ways, if you know what I mean =)	18:01
johnx	they'll use old shuttles full of TNT as missiles?	18:02
RST38h	johnx: they will probably do more surveillance and military payload deliveries	18:04
RST38h	johnx: As to old shuttles, I don't think you really need TNT there =)	18:04
johnx	just drop them out of the sky on "people we don't like"	18:04
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RST38bis	Back	18:07
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Stskeeps	mm steak	18:38
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johnx	mmm...chikn!	18:39
Stskeeps	gonna make that one of these days too	18:40
Stskeeps	fiancee went back to berlin so	18:41
johnx	less cooking now?	18:41
johnx	or more cooking?	18:41
Stskeeps	more i guess	18:41
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ShadowJK	ssvb, it's still not showing "correct" results	18:42
ShadowJK	~23, ~38, ~55	18:42
ShadowJK	omapfb, yuy2, yv12	18:42
johnx	maybe you guys should settle on a common video clip to test...	18:43
ShadowJK	:)	18:44
ShadowJK	that might help	18:44
RST38h	Or just blit stuff in a tight loop	18:44
RST38h	Personally, mmap()ped fb0 works the best for me.	18:44
RST38h	+ hw scaling when in full screen mode.	18:45
Stskeeps	johnx: was it zenity you wanted to build, btw?	18:54
johnx	nah, the hildon session stuff	18:55
Stskeeps	k	18:57
johnx	I can do zenity stuff locally until I actually have something that uses it successfully	18:57
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* Stskeeps tries to see if the new libtool improves anything or it just breaks horridly.		19:01
* w00t_ votes for horrible breakage		19:06
Stskeeps	scaringily enough it didn't	19:06
w00t_	I don't believe you	19:06
w00t_	pix or it didn't happen.	19:06
Stskeeps	hehe	19:06
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* lcuk is in the doghouse		19:07
Stskeeps	you broke her new motherboard?	19:07
Stskeeps	and the doghouse is acceptable if the wifi isnt off and you can reach it with your tablet.	19:08
Stskeeps	P	19:08
lcuk	lol	19:08
lcuk	no, i ummm was up a tad late coding last night	19:08
GAN800	'tad'	19:09
johnx	ahaha	19:09
Stskeeps	lcuk: you're moving to johnx's timezone now? :P	19:09
lcuk	umm yeah sortof	19:10
johnx	heh, I'm moving east in terms of timezones though	19:10
johnx	farther into the future I guess	19:10
lcuk	Stskeeps, i got a little caught up with a couple of things	19:11
w00t_	lcuk: unlucky you, I don't get in trouble for that :>	19:11
w00t_	(I've been up until 7am my time for the holiday season.. ugh.. work tomorrow is going to bring a sudden dose of reality back to things :<)	19:12
Stskeeps	w00t_: your gf studies comp.sci, doesn't count	19:12
Stskeeps	:P	19:12
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w00t_	Stskeeps: true :P	19:12
b-man	Stskeeps, Johnx, what do you think of my new guide?; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975	19:13
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Stskeeps	b-man: clinkc,mce-dummy,770 packages,xresponse-visualize isnt needed under ubuntu/n8x0	19:15
Stskeeps	and ke-recv-l10n-public :P	19:15
johnx	b-man, also: when is gdm starting. if it starts before hal then that's your keyboard problem right there	19:16
b-man	how can i fix that?	19:16
Stskeeps	b-man: and you forgot the warning ;)	19:16
johnx	you need to look in /etc/rc2.d and check which is starting first	19:16
b-man	Stskeeps; i'll add a warning too ;)	19:17
Stskeeps	(which is "this is a desktop distribution. it will take as much battery as it would on a laptop." :P)	19:17
Stslaptop	and the usual warning with bootmenu.d items and clone-to-SD scripts.	19:18
* johnx assembles his new nokia charger		19:20
Stslaptop	hehe. the bastard child of a nokia plug and a NTT charger? :P	19:21
johnx	yeah :/	19:21
johnx	the converter is made by a company called "rasta banana"	19:21
johnx	I wish I was making this up	19:21
qwerty12	hah	19:21
b-man	johnx; S24hal - in rc2.d	19:21
b-man	S30gdm	19:22
b-man	does this look right? :p	19:23
johnx	huh...interesting. Stskeeps, you're not using any hal modifications for the keyboard support in Mer, right?	19:23
johnx	b-man, you could try changing gdm to start later. just increase the number. maybe 60 or so?	19:23
Stskeeps	johnx: correct, but i'm not confident our keyboard support is correct	19:23
johnx	yeah, looks like our keymap is quite interesting...but better than nothing	19:24
b-man	johnx; that won't cause problems with LSB.. right?	19:25
Stskeeps	b-man: i'm not confident insserv won't screw things up immensely	19:25
Stskeeps	but that's just a hunch	19:25
johnx	woo! franken-charger seems to work just fine	19:25
Stskeeps	woo	19:26
b-man	lol	19:26
johnx	thank you mighty rasta banada!	19:26
qwerty12	lol	19:26
johnx	did I mention their logo is a bunch of bananas the colors of the Jamaican flag?	19:27
qwerty12	Do they ship a free zut with their chargers too? :)	19:27
* Stskeeps uploads new toolchain		19:27
* b-man goes and changes S30gdm to S60gdm and hopes he did not kill his ubuntu install :p		19:28
johnx	eh, you can change it back	19:28
Stskeeps	b-man: btw, just to be an ass so you don't get stupid people after you at some point, - you can't call it ubuntu :P	19:28
Stskeeps	(.. probably)	19:28
b-man	tabuntu! :D	19:29
Stskeeps	deargod	19:29
johnx	well, actually, he's providing instructions to install ubuntu	19:29
Stskeeps	true	19:29
Stskeeps	my bad then :)	19:29
johnx	plus, it would be fun to see those people get worked up again	19:29
b-man	lol	19:29
johnx	qwerty12, I feel so out of touch. I actually had to look up that word O_o;	19:30
alterego	tabluntu tremendous tablet.	19:31
qwerty12	johnx, don't worry about it :P :D	19:31
alterego	Mobile mole	19:31
Stskeeps	tortoise.. by the speed	19:31
Stskeeps	:P	19:31
johnx	qwerty12, and the answer is not unless I'm supposed to roll one with the crappy cardboard it came packaged in and use it to smoke the plastic...	19:32
alterego	What's the command to get the load cycle count of a hard drive?	19:32
qwerty12	johnx, lol... yeah, plastic is no fun :P	19:32
johnx	alterego, "tremendous tablet" reminds me of those giant 2m tall display model phones	19:32
johnx	alterego, hdparm	19:32
johnx	dunno the param you need	19:32
alterego	hdparm cool. I thought it was something to do with smart utils	19:33
johnx	errr.scratch that: smartctl	19:33
johnx	:)	19:33
alterego	Ah okay :)	19:33
Stslaptop	qwerty12: updated SDK instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide	19:33
johnx	had a brain lapse. I've done surprisingly little meddling in the affairs of my desktop linux box	19:33
Stslaptop	libtool seems to be sane now	19:33
Stslaptop	(differences are toolchain and devkit)	19:34
Stslaptop	and perl	19:34
qwerty12	Stslaptop, brilliant. Just let me finish cannibalising the excellent acmonitor.	19:34
johnx	Stslaptop, that's like saying "nothing could possibly go wrong."	19:34
alterego	59300 .. Is that a lot for an 8 month old laptop?	19:34
b-man	alterego; i know, it only took me a couple seconds to come up with tabuntu :p	19:34
Stslaptop	alterego: what currency? :P	19:34
Stslaptop	oh.	19:35
alterego	Heh, it's my load cycle count :P	19:35
Stslaptop	load counts :>	19:35
johnx	"load cycle" ?= number of spinups	19:35
alterego	Yes	19:36
alterego	It's the number of times the hard drive has parked and unparked.	19:36
Stslaptop	mm. i remember when having to tell my hd to park itself for transportation	19:36
johnx	2278 on a very old desktop drive	19:36
alterego	Heh, there's one guy on this forum that's getting one a minute.	19:37
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johnx	ha! it's 0 on my other drive :)	19:38
alterego	It's usually an issue with laptops ;)	19:38
johnx	yeah, mobile devices with moving parts have never worked out well for me	19:39
johnx	like cars :$	19:39
qwerty12	Have we found a competitor for uptime records? :P	19:39
johnx	qwerty12, only respectible uptime to be had is on my router	19:39
qwerty12	johnx, hah, my one reboots like crazy... although for my old one, I did compile tugs uptime client - dunno if it works though :P	19:40
johnx	<plug>my router was rebooting pretty often, then I got Tomato firmware. Thanks Tomato!</plug>	19:40
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alterego	Well, it looks like my hard drive, which has been up 178623 hours has an average of 3 load cycles an hour.	19:41
qwerty12	I may as well get a router supported by tomato or maybe the wrt's then. This router goes when I finish with o2 anyway	19:41
churl1	hi everyone!	19:41
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alterego	Interesting, according to that my hard drive has been on for 7442 days. Even thought it's only 8 months old O_O	19:42
Stskeeps	refurbished? :P	19:42
johnx	hi churl1	19:42
alterego	Something tells me that "Power_On_Hours" is actually minutes.	19:42
Stskeeps	never trust a hd	19:42
Stskeeps	:P	19:42
alterego	Because when I use it as minutes it has had a 4 month uptime, which is about right for a 8 month old laptop :)	19:42
johnx	alterego, it might be lying to you. does it also claim the temperature is 480C?	19:42
alterego	Temperature is 38C	19:43
alterego	Oh, and "Power_On_Hours" is incrementing every minute ;)	19:44
Stslaptop	johnx: builder clear	19:44
churl1	i have an issue with putting my n800 to standby (power button then middle direction button). it just seems not to respond to the second button anymore. another funny thing it was doing was bringing up an applet's preferences with a push of the power button. where should i start with this issue?	19:45
alterego	Interesting, I just completed a charge test on my N810. If I charge it with the standard mains charger it lasts quite a bit less than a slow charge with the USB charger I made that never completes the charge cycle O_O	19:45
alterego	I'm going to do the test again to be sure :)	19:45
churl1	yo johnx	19:45
johnx	churl1, which applet and which version of the OS?	19:45
alterego	I wasn't expecting Li-Ion batteries to have that dramatic difference with charger ratings.	19:46
alterego	I'll do an averaging test with my phone over a month too.	19:46
churl1	johnx: os 2008 and on further inspection it (was) acting as if i had clicked on "home" when i pressed power. that part of the issue stopped after i ran the battery out and did a full charge	19:47
churl1	diablo	19:48
churl1	so i guess i cant get the screen to lock anymore is my real issue	19:48
johnx	did you install anything that might be related to this?	19:49
churl1	nah, not that i can think of, i just picked it up one day (after the batt ran out or just after a week of non-use) and this issue started up	19:50
churl1	johnx: but like i said, this issue seems to change as the battery life is fully drained and then charged back up	19:51
churl1	oh, and it did work right after a full charge, just the next time i tried to go to standby, it wouldnt work	19:52
churl1	so, im at a loss! haha	19:52
lcuk	alterego, people have been having spurious battery duration results for ages now	19:53
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johnx	so if you hit the power button, then hit "ok" to "lock screen and keyboard", what happens?	19:54
churl1	johnx: it doesnt seem to register the "ok"	19:54
johnx	so the dialog goes away?	19:54
churl1	the button works, it makes a click noise,	19:54
churl1	no	19:55
johnx	does the button light up as if you clicked it?	19:55
churl1	no, but im not sure if it ever does??	19:55
lcuk	churl, does it light up when you press it at other times	19:56
churl1	like a blue LED light around the "ok"? no	19:56
churl1	it doesnt	19:56
johnx	churl1, I mean the "ok" button. does it give the "you clicked me" look?	19:56
churl1	no	19:57
johnx	so you hear the screen tap, but the button doesn't "look clicked"?	19:57
b-man	added a disclaimer to the Ubuntu guide ;)	19:57
johnx	churl1, you're sure you never installed powerlaunch?	19:57
churl1	doesnt sound familiar	19:58
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churl1	correct	19:59
johnx	ok, what is the last piece of software you installed, even if it doesn't seem related?	20:00
lcuk	johnx, can you feel your ears burning :P	20:00
churl1	maybe dukenukem	20:00
churl1	i do have powerlaunch installed	20:01
johnx	next question: are you out of space on the internal memory?	20:02
johnx	bingo	20:02
churl1	so kill powerlaunch?	20:02
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johnx	well, are you using it for something? would you rather fix it or remove it?	20:02
churl1	johnx: not as far as i know :( i just want this to work again :)	20:03
Stslaptop	do you have easy debian installed per chance?	20:03
churl1	not yet ;)	20:04
johnx	churl1, I would try removing powerlaunch and rebooting to see if everything works again	20:04
Stskeeps	ah, cos that drags in powerlaunch, i think :P	20:04
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qwerty12	qole removed the dependency with later versions	20:05
Stskeeps	ah	20:05
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churl1	johnx: ok, when i go to "lock touch screen and keys" should the screen go black? or just dim?	20:08
johnx	yes, depending on your settings	20:09
johnx	if dim and blank are set to the same time then it will blank, otherwise it will dim, then blank after a bit	20:09
churl1	:) just saw it do all that	20:10
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churl1	where are those settings?	20:10
johnx	in control panel -> display I think	20:11
churl1	thanks a bunch johnx!	20:11
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GAN8001	/etc/mce/mce.ini	20:12
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Stskeeps	johnx: btw we might have a bigass recompile coming up at some point..	20:16
johnx	fun fun	20:16
Stskeeps	we should have taken gconf2 along long ago	20:16
johnx	ah, gronk	20:17
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Stslaptop	wtf @ danish news. man drives in SUV with a _bull_ on an attached wagon, other driver notices man is driving kinda like he's drunk, other driver alarms police, other driver gets him to pull over, driver and man gets in a fight, man suddenly walks out in the middle of the highway and gets hit by a car	20:19
w00t_	o.O	20:20
johnx	it's news because that sort of thing doesn't happen all the time... right?	20:20
Stslaptop	still, driving drunk in a SUV with a bull on an attached wagon, is kinda something.	20:21
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kpel	hi all	20:30
qwerty12_N800	hi	20:31
Mousey_	lo	20:31
Mousey_	um	20:31
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Stslaptop	johnx: heads up, repository might break quite badly right now	20:50
Stslaptop	as gconf2-6 compiled	20:50
Stslaptop	(on the other hand, we are more api compatible with maemo now.)	20:51
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johnx	fun fun :)	20:55
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ssvb	ShadowJK: sorry, I was akf. Your benchmarks confirm that yuy2 is slow :) And also show that there is something wrong with yv12 in your configuration too	21:03
ssvb	ShadowJK: what kind of video are you using for test? is there something special about its resolution?	21:03
ShadowJK	432x288	21:04
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ssvb	ShadowJK: then it's completely strange, there could be some problems with resolution (being not multiple of something), but multiple of 16 should be always fine	21:08
ShadowJK	ya	21:08
ssvb	ShadowJK: do you test it in fullscreen? are you sure that no downscaling is involved?	21:08
ShadowJK	it's fullscreen and widescreen	21:09
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ssvb	ShadowJK: please also try some other video	21:09
ShadowJK	Yeah, on it now :-)	21:10
lcuk	hiya ssvb :)	21:10
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zakkm	when i try to run flasher ( Gentoo amd64 ) using the amd64 flasher i get the error ./flasher-3.0.amd64: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'	21:11
ssvb	ShadowJK: another problem could be with the top left corner alignment	21:11
lcuk	zakkm, check you downloaded the proper flasher and not the html eual page as happens often	21:11
lcuk	eula	21:11
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alterego	I've got so much junk I need to organise it's unreal.	21:12
alterego	Oh well. It can wait another day.	21:12
Stslaptop	johnx: think i'll go to hell for substituting all libgconf2-4 (< 2.15)?	21:13
zakkm	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php	21:13
ssvb	ShadowJK: this weird YUV420 format consists of 4x2 pixel macroblocks, if anything is not aligned, it could fail some checks and fallback to a slow YUY2 code in Xomap	21:13
zakkm	same place i always get it from	21:13
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Stslaptop	zakkm: cat it.. is it a html page? ;)	21:13
ssvb	lcuk: hi	21:13
zakkm	oh weird	21:13
zakkm	why? how? isnt it the right page	21:13
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johnx	yes. don't right click and save to disk	21:14
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zakkm	whats the right download page then?	21:14
johnx	Stslaptop, ehe, we're probably both going for some of the Mer stuff. see you there?	21:14
Stslaptop	hehe	21:14
lcuk	zakkm, if you havent actually entered your wifi ID onto the first page it always comes up and asks for it no matter what you try to download	21:15
lcuk	you have the right page, but your browser doesnt have a cookie or whatever it needs to say "yes this user has entered id	21:15
zakkm	ohh	21:15
zakkm	different browser?	21:15
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johnx	also: left click to download	21:16
lcuk	zakkm, go here first with same browser	21:17
lcuk	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php	21:17
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lcuk	it asks for your WLAN id	21:17
zakkm	lcuk: sweet thanks :)	21:18
lcuk	i believe all the files are then listed with proper download links	21:18
zakkm	well it succeeded just using firefox and going to old page, it had a disclamier that way	21:18
zakkm	now to get the new nitdroid kernel :)	21:18
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Jaffa	Anyone know how to put multi-key shortcuts in X Terminal (e.g. ^A p)	21:26
johnx	sure, it's <ctrl>a I think	21:26
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Jaffa	...and the following char?	21:27
Jaffa	I think I got the ctrl working	21:27
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johnx	a multi-key as in:	21:28
johnx	ctrl-a	21:28
johnx	p	21:28
Jaffa	yeah	21:28
Jaffa	A ha	21:28
johnx	yeah, no clue	21:28
Jaffa	'<ctrl>a p'	21:28
johnx	well nice :)	21:28
Jaffa	Wish I could get rid of the hardcoded ctrl entry	21:30
qwerty12_N800	apt-get source osso-xterm :)	21:31
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churl1	hello all again, im having an issue with libhildonfm2	21:34
ShadowJK	ssvb, still seeing same pattern with another file	21:34
ShadowJK	I used this one http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/benchmark/testsuite1/matrixbench_lowerdivx4_vbrmp3.avi	21:34
churl1	im unable to update a few programs that use it. app man. says that libhildonfm2 (>=1:2.0.6.1) is missing	21:35
GAN8001	churl1, update your OS. :)	21:35
GAN8001	~ssu	21:35
infobot	hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU	21:35
churl1	GAN8001: ok, this may sound silly, but how do i do that?	21:36
GAN8001	~flashing	21:36
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	21:36
churl1	apt-get update?	21:36
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GAN8001	Click a link. . . .	21:36
churl1	GAN8001: i have to flash?	21:36
churl1	ok, ill read it	21:37
churl1	:)	21:37
GAN8001	churl1, depending on which version you're on.	21:37
GAN8001	But the links will tell you.	21:37
alterego	Dinner time.	21:38
alterego	reset	21:38
alterego	Ooops ..	21:38
lcuk	GAN800, is your beagle puppy still poorly in its box	21:38
churl1	im on os2008 4.2008.23-14	21:38
GAN800	~ssu	21:39
infobot	i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU	21:39
GAN800	lcuk, yeah, it's up north.	21:39
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TrueJournals	sigh Don't remind me of school tomorrow....	21:42
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Stskeeps	mm, 0725 bus here if i manage to get that early up	21:45
Stskeeps	going into work for the sole purpose of getting out of my apartment	21:45
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TrueJournals	Methinks a freenode server reset...?	21:58
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qwerty12_N800	Server notice said rehubbing...	21:59
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b-man	MicroB just crashed because of this :)	22:05
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Stskeeps	motherfuckers. someone broke into my basement	22:19
Stskeeps	nothing stolen though	22:19
lcuk	did they tidy up? if so, it was your mum	22:19
lcuk	thats not good though really, how do you know they got in, and can you prevent it in future	22:20
RST38h	Amtrak Photo Contestant Arrested By Amtrak Police	22:20
RST38h	BTW, since when has it become illegal to take pictures of trains?	22:20
RST38h	Sts: They must have left SOMETHING!	22:21
lcuk	depends if he climbed the fence, shimmied along the powerlines and cut away part of the signalling to get a better photo	22:21
RST38h	Sts: A bomb. Or an alien egg. Or just some feces.	22:21
RST38h	lcuk: Not really, has been standing on the platform	22:21
lcuk	fscking jobsworths	22:22
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* RST38h had to go to Wiki to translate that =)		22:23
lcuk	dear god, i thought qwerty was joking about my northern	22:24
lcuk	but whats worse is you are further north than me	22:24
RST38h	just further east. or west, depending on which country you count.	22:25
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lcuk	petpeeve: source code files which do not state their utility in the header	22:36
Jaffa	petpeeve: developers working for me who do not show any utility	22:38
lcuk	heh jaffa, the promotion getting to you already	22:39
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lcuk	or are you talking about maemo developers :P	22:39
Jaffa	they were working for me pre-promotion; but now it's getting worse ;-)	22:40
lcuk	might i interest you in a stronger whip?	22:40
Jaffa	useful to persuade the higher ups that they may need more training ;-)	22:41
lcuk	doesnt sound unreasonable	22:41
lcuk	can i talk to the maemo mail client?	22:42
lcuk	and push stuff into its outbox?	22:42
lcuk	and vice versa	22:43
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Jaffa	not sure	22:49
TrueJournals	Hmmm... I just wrote a very small python daemon to watch for charger events and run scripts if the charger is connected or disconnected ;-)	22:50
* qwerty12_N800 uses acmonitor + a few system() calls for that		22:51
* TrueJournals likes my system better :-P		22:51
qwerty12_N800	hehe :P	22:51
TrueJournals	Just drop scripts in /etc/acmon.d/connected.d/ or /etc/acmon.d/disconnected.d/	22:51
qwerty12_N800	ooh, that is a nice system indeed	22:52
TrueJournals	Much easier, no?	22:52
glass	nice	22:52
qwerty12_N800	Can't disagree with that :)	22:52
TrueJournals	I think I'm going to write some connected and disconnected scripts to change the display backlight settings, and then try to package everything up	22:53
TrueJournals	Where did acmonitor store the settings? I'd like to keep compatibility with its settings...	22:54
lcuk	in the registry	22:54
qwerty12_N800	In gconf	22:54
lcuk	errr sorry, gconf ;)	22:54
qwerty12_N800	/apps/acmonitor	22:54
TrueJournals	Hmm... I think I need to install acmonitor :-P	22:54
* qwerty12_N800 beats lcuk up until the windows is out of him :p		22:54
lcuk	little boys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :P	22:55
qwerty12_N800	:D	22:55
lcuk	hows vista doing on yours?	22:56
RST38h	He hasn't defenestrated it yet?	22:56
qwerty12_N800	Speed is decent, but it's been a week since I booted into it :p	22:56
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, there's ossoemailinterface but I don't think it is enough for what you wish to do	22:57
lcuk	theres tinymail, which if the default mail app uses it i should be able to as well	22:58
lcuk	it seems to have the interfaces i need to send mail from	22:58
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qwerty12_N800	Making liqsecuritysystem? :p	22:59
lcuk	no, thinking about my postcards :)	22:59
qwerty12_N800	nice :)	22:59
GAN8001	liqos	23:00
lcuk	im tempted to see if a real service could be setup	23:00
* GAN8001 still wants his goddamn refund		23:00
lcuk	where you take a photo, write the postcard and address and have real postcard sent	23:00
lcuk	the only problem there would be the postmark, thats half the appeal of postcards :)	23:01
lcuk	but anyway, sending by email will be a good first step :)	23:02
`0660	lcuk, are you planning to reimplement mms messages? :)	23:03
lcuk	not at all gan, i just like natural handwriting. you can see emotion and passion and human feeling by looking at how a message is written	23:05
lcuk	something lost when converted to lucida console or whatever	23:05
`0660	ok. that's something new :)	23:06
lcuk	`0660, ? not really ive wanted to do it for ages, i keep getting stuck on technical issues	23:07
qwerty12_N800	but then it makes it useless for ransom notes :(	23:07
lcuk	no it doesnt :)	23:08
`0660	:/	23:08
lcuk	i still use random notes all the time and do not see that going anywhere	23:08
lcuk	but simply after a photo is taken you can turn it into a postcard	23:08
`0660	he said ransom :)	23:08
lcuk	or one of another few things	23:08
qwerty12_N800	I meant ransom as in ransom, not random :p	23:08
lcuk	lol	23:08
lcuk	qwerty12_N800, you could use my handwriting font and use different letters from different people ;)	23:09
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, brilliant plan! I can have the police looking up north when I get caught :p	23:10
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lcuk	heh	23:11
qwerty12_N800	rather, when they look for the person	23:11
* qwerty12_N800 is having a blonde day :)		23:11
lcuk	so you are feeling same as usual then :P	23:12
qwerty12_N800	yeah, pretty much :p	23:12
lcuk	anyway, now i have the core liqbase stuff pushed away and kinda encapsulated in a library i might get on and do the other stuff i need ontop of it	23:13
lcuk	back in a bit	23:14
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Stskeeps	it sucks living in an old dorm where it seems like fuckers can unscrew the bloody handle to get in	23:15
Stskeeps	now it's gently provided with a good old fashioned steel wire lock	23:16
Proteous	electrified door handles FTW	23:16
qwerty12_N800	yep	23:16
Proteous	people might wonder about the puddle of water in front of your door though	23:17
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, has that router come back online yet?	23:17
TrueJournals	Alright... this seems to work... except if you're using the advanced backlight applet...	23:17
Proteous	as more and more people try to get in, the puddle starts to smell like pee	23:18
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: no sadly	23:18
`0660	:)	23:19
qwerty12_N800	damn :(	23:19
Stskeeps	they prolly gave up after it didnt work first time	23:19
Stskeeps	(and not noticing there is actually a harddisk inside it :P	23:19
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GAN8001	TrueJournals, why not provide a patch for adv-backlight? :)	23:23
GAN8001	Since it's pretty safe to assume a lot of your potential userbase will be.	23:23
TrueJournals	GAN8001: I'd like to make it more expandable than that... An easy way for devs to do ANYTHING when the charger is connected or disconnected	23:25
TrueJournals	Besides, advanced backlight is in C, and... I don't really know C :-\	23:25
* Stslaptop wouldn't mind seeing a generic event framework that is more sane than powerlaunch		23:26
GAN8001	Well, at the very least, get with rm_you to make sure it works.	23:26
TrueJournals	Yeah, I'm trying to hack around with changing the gconf values for now, but somethings just not working right...	23:27
qwerty12_N800	To change the backlight?	23:28
TrueJournals	Yeah...	23:28
Stslaptop	talk to dsme	23:28
Stslaptop	:P	23:28
TrueJournals	Well, it's acting very.. strange...	23:28
TrueJournals	The advanced backlight applet doesn't seem to live-update its gconf value	23:29
qwerty12_N800	It's a bug fixed in the trunk version	23:29
TrueJournals	Ah...	23:29
TrueJournals	Well working with non-trunk will be very difficult then :-P	23:29
qwerty12_N800	it'll actually save the setting if you just open its setting window + press ok	23:30
TrueJournals	Yeah, I noticed that	23:30
TrueJournals	Also, the GUI doesn't seem to change if I update the gconf value	23:30
TrueJournals	Is that also fixed in trunk?	23:30
lcuk	its not really a problem is it?	23:30
lcuk	since the gui isnt normally on screen	23:31
qwerty12_N800	i'm not sure	23:31
lcuk	or do you mean the icon	23:31
TrueJournals	lcuk: It really is... the icon doesn't update to display the different level	23:31
TrueJournals	Plus, if you then open the gui, it still shows the old level, instead of the updated one	23:31
TrueJournals	Which is confusing, to say the least	23:31
lcuk	yes, thats a bug then, i thought you meant live whilst GUI is open, not the indicator icon - i thought that would update naturally anyway	23:32
lcuk	so yeah, that sounds like a bug	23:32
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TrueJournals	Anyone in a dev environment want to build the advanced backlight trunk for me? :-P	23:33
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qwerty12_N800	I'm running it but i don't think i have the space to install dpkg-dev so I can dpkg-repack :/	23:34
lcuk	"Ancient spirits of evil, transform this decayed form to Jott, the Ever-Living!”	23:34
lcuk	jott, we need you to rise up and build the trunk of abl ;)	23:34
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LinuxCode	lcuk, who are you to ask for godly powers to assist you in your quest!	23:39
LinuxCode	Explain or be damned to hell forever!	23:39
LinuxCode	lol	23:39
LinuxCode	;-p	23:39
LinuxCode	ohh and good evening mate	23:40
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Stslaptop	evening cyrus__	23:42
cyrus__	What GPS unit does the N810 have and where can I find the driver for it?	23:42
lcuk	LinuxCode, Mumm-ra from thundercats, or by his irc nickname, jott	23:44
LinuxCode	hehe	23:44
LinuxCode	you old hacker you!	23:44
LinuxCode	cyrus__, i believe is proprietary	23:44
Stslaptop	yeah, it is	23:45
RST38h	KILL KILL DESTROY	23:45
Grackle	DECIMATE, MAIM	23:45
Stskeeps	RST38h: love affair with the 68000 over?	23:45
LinuxCode	RST38h, thats what should happen to all non-FOSS drivers yeah	23:45
RST38h	cyris: N810 has got a 5300 AGPS chip from Texas Instruments. It has got two I2C serial connections to the host system.	23:45
RST38h	cyrus: Feeling better now?	23:45
RST38h	Grackle: But RAPE FIRST.	23:45
Stskeeps	did anyone actually try reverse engineering it? :P	23:46
RST38h	Sts: Why? I think it uses pretty obvious protocols to talk to the host	23:46
qwerty12_N800	is it even worth the time? :p	23:46
Stskeeps	typical GPS protocol? :P	23:46
RST38h	Sts: Won't be of much help though	23:46
Stskeeps	yeah, it'd still suck? :P	23:48
RST38h	'm afraid so	23:48
ssvb	ShadowJK: I can finally confirm the Xv performance problem with the latest updates of both diablo and mplayer	23:49
Stskeeps	didn't they add some new stuff in Xomap though, in latest SSU?	23:50
ShadowJK	supposedly optimizations ;-)	23:50
ssvb	ShadowJK: but built-in player runs fine and uses accelerated color conversion function	23:50
ShadowJK	Oddly enough I find mplayer runs better	23:51
ShadowJK	with -vo omapfb	23:51
ShadowJK	built-in player needs a strange amount of time to switch back and forth between fullscreen	23:51
ssvb	ShadowJK: that's a problem of mplayer, using Xv suboptimally :) Or more like now https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1281 workaround stopped working in mplayer	23:53
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ssvb	ShadowJK: probably Xomap now has a bit more strict alignment/size checks which fail for mplayer, I'm going to see what can be done	23:54
ShadowJK	ssvb, that bug report seems to imply that you cant't get full performance unless you fullscreen ignoring aspect?	23:54
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ShadowJK	or encode with black borders to get an image that covers the entire screen?	23:54
ssvb	ShadowJK: the idea is that Xv with direct rendering should have comparable performance to omapfb output	23:54
ssvb	ShadowJK: no, just read a bit more carefully :)	23:55
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ssvb	ShadowJK: as I said, that weird color format has 4x2 pixels granularity, and yuy2 has only 2x1 granularity	23:55
ShadowJK	I don't think you get direct to hw even with -dr	23:56
ssvb	ShadowJK: that means if you try to scale or position video overlay on screen, you mush make sure that te top left corner is properly aligned and the size is also multiple of something	23:56
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TrueJournals	Hmm... well... I'm doing something wrong, but I've stared at my code too long to figure out what	23:57
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ssvb	ShadowJK: -dr does not provide direct access to hw	23:57
TrueJournals	If anyone wants to look at/play around with it -- http://truejournals.com/pyacmonitor.tgz	23:57
ssvb	ShadowJK: it just gets rid of extra memcpy operation	23:57
ShadowJK	isn't that just a codec -> vo memcpy?	23:57
ShadowJK	not that I remember very well	23:58
ssvb	ShadowJK: there is no point accessing framebuffer directly for video just because hw does not support planar yv12 format	23:58
TrueJournals	I have a feeling my asynchronous execution in python isn't working as it should, but I'm not sure how to fix it :-\	23:58
ShadowJK	must ask dalias in #mplayerdev when he appears about it :-)	23:58
ssvb	ShadowJK: about what?	23:59
ssvb	ShadowJK: does he know anything about maemo port?	23:59
ShadowJK	what -dr in mplayer does	23:59

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