IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-01-04

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lcuk\o/ i have test cases using the library for: grey font rendering, color font rendering, image blitting with and without blending, sketch blitting :D00:00
born2wonderN810after installation of mer finished and the flashing seemingly done correctly , there is no bootmenu and NIT loads to flash automatically00:00
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Mouseywill minigpsd make my gps aquire faster?00:01
lcuksure, they are here
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lcukoi, i need something which doesnt come back to different chans when im talking00:05
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Proteoussomething which doesn't come back to different chans?00:09
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qwerty12_N800Proteous, don't worry about it, i just pretend to understand northerner00:10
lcukat least my code isnt written in rabcnesbitt00:11
qwerty12_N800see? who else understands that?00:11
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x29ahm, i dont get it, when booting from external card, what goes in the 480MB dospartition and what in the rest of the sd card? i want to use my sdcard instead of flash/internal mmc00:13
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rm_youwhat happened to maemo-recorder?00:45
qwerty12_N800still should be in extras iirc00:45
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mib_ibbfeoSo I heard it's now possible to install Debian on an N81000:48
mib_ibbfeoIt's about time =) I've been waiting for that forever00:48
oliqwerty12_N800: has anyone made anyremote script set for tablets yet?00:50
qwerty12_N800oli, nope, only thing ever done was which I don't think is what you are looking for...00:52
oliqwerty12_N800: yes, i've seen that post. I will try to modify it by myself. however it's nice to control mpd with my n6230i via bt :)00:55
qwerty12_N800bemused mpd? :D00:55
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olieee? no, normal mpd from maemo garage + anyremote bulit-in script00:56
qwerty12_N800ah, thanks! Didn't know anyremote could do that, i built bemused mpd but it has an annoying disconnection problem00:57
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olianyremote+mpd is excellent, but it's the only script that works OK00:59
qwerty12_N800yeah, mplayer one gave me a funky double press problem last time iirc01:00
oliother ex. file browsing need change, busybox ls has got other parameters than ls from gnu coreutils01:00
qwerty12_N800busybox's one sucks, i use
qwerty12_N800replaces ls safely with an coreutils one01:01
olii must have it, colors are really useful for me :)01:01
qwerty12_N800yep, I can't live without ls with colour on tablet now :D01:02
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b-manubuntu for nit's; - have fun!01:18
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lcukstandard gtk, what do i use if i want just a small (100x100pixel) area01:34
lcuk(with a backing x11 window)01:34
lcukexcellent, thank you :)01:36
lcuk(was just clicking onto the page as well :D)01:36
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b-manlcuk, Astorm; - take a look :D01:51
AStormmeh ubuntu01:52
AStormI want a build of Gentoo :P01:52
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b-mansomeone is allrety working on Gentoo :)01:54
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AStormI know01:57
AStormit should be simple really01:57
AStormI'm just strapped for time right now01:57
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lcukok, so i have a gtk window, it has a drawingarea on it, its kinda correctly refreshing in the frame, BUT, it is drawing itself, then gtk is drawing as well02:07
lcukhow do i block refresh of the gtk drawingarea thing? make it completely ignorant of the gtk actions02:08
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AStormyou are supposed to handle the expose event02:09
AStormblit to the window in it02:09
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lcukno can do, like opengl, its a different layer02:10
AStormthen handle it blank02:11
AStormor just block the event02:11
AStormactually, you could handle it anyway02:11
AStormredrawing nothing, only changing the overlay shape02:11
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AStormhandle it returning True02:13
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AStorm(sorry, talking pygtk, but it's the same in normal gtk)02:13
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lcukok, now im really confused02:39
lcukthe xv overlay is infact being ummm overlayed by gtk still02:39
nomislcuk: xv "overlay" works by a key color. At least on a regular desktop X11.02:43
lcukbut it shows if i draw outside of the expose event02:43
lcukif i do it in the expose event of the drawing_area it doesnt show at all02:44
AStormbecause it's an overlay!02:44
AStormyou're supposed to redraw the key color in expose event02:44
lcukyeah AStorm agreed, then why is gtk drawing over part of it02:44
lcukthe 2 areas are both the same color02:44
lcuki think the overlay part is not as we expect from desktop02:45
lcuknomis, i would expect what you said if it was a hardware overlay02:45
lcuki think its just the order things occur in, the LCD just blits rectangles over the top of each other with no specific hardware overlay - thats just a software abstraction within omapfb02:46
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nomislcuk: quite possible. I have no real clue how it is implemented on the Devices.02:46
lcukyeah me neither, im not even sure i need to get head too far into this at this point02:46
lcukits beyond what i was thinking about earlier this morning02:46
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pupnik_As the sun set, I drank a guinness and looked at the stream.
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GrackleThat looks awesome.03:05
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b-mani tryed to make my ubuntu anouncment over at #ubuntu - way too crazy over there. :p03:08
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pupnik_thanks Grackle03:10
b-mane.g. 5 posts per second - i got buried03:10
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lcukoooooooooooooh it works if i just have a window and a drawing_area03:29
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lcukhow in holy hell do i make gtk listen to and let me know about strange events04:08
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alteregoWhat kind of strange events?04:31
alteregoBasically you add event masks to the widget you're connecting the signal handler to.04:31
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lcukalterego, there is a ShmCompletionEvent which is sent to x11 when the data has been sent all the way to the lcd.  if i touch the data before this point it tears.  in native x11 i can see it, in gtk i have no way of seeing it04:34
lcuki can listen for things like "realize" "expose_event" but there doesnt seem to be a catchall for the events outside of GTKs knowledge04:35
alteregoYou'll have to go straight to X11 via GDK then I'd imagine.04:39
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alteregoYes, remember that Gtk actually uses Shm Completion Event too I believe.04:46
lcuk:D thanks derf04:46
lcuki only wanna listen for it, not doing anything04:46
alteregoFair nuff04:47
lcukanything drastic*04:48
derfNote that you may also need to call gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type()04:49
derfE.g., gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type(display, XShmGetEventBase(display), ShmNumberEvents);04:50
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lcukheh, this is taking much longer than i had considered :)04:54
lcuki was on such a roll today, built libliqbase, made a load of tests actually seem to have it running without the house crashing down.  expanded to see if i could pass in an existing window..04:55
pupnik_good job lcuk04:57
robinkMy BeagleBoard came04:58
nomisrobink: which revision?04:59
nomis(are they shipping rev. C1 yet?)04:59
pupnik_cold the air up there05:03
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robinknomis: B7?05:26
robinknomis: I'm not sure.05:26
robinknomis: The C1 isn't out until March05:29
robink...and my board is indeed a B7.05:29
AStormlcuk, so, you ended up writing a widget from scratch? :)05:33
AStormmaybe I'm on a roll today too, let's see05:33
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lcukAStorm, i wrote my own widget way back when.05:39
AStormwhen you ditched the DrawingArea :P05:39
lcukit is what currently powers liqbase, the library I have put together today is the simple dumb render tool: sdl/pygame level05:39
AStormnot gtk then?05:39
lcukwhen I first started drawing onto the xv YUV surface I could not use GTK...05:40
AStormyou could05:40
AStormwith gtk.gdk.Window05:40
AStorm(that is, lower level than gtk proper)05:40
AStormanyway, good job if sdl works fine05:41
lcukthe canvas i draw on is similar in regard to mplayer05:41
AStormbtw, is xv really faster than usual X?05:41
lcukyou have seen liqbase :)05:42
AStorm(seeing as it's not hardware accelerated)05:42
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lcukbut gtk is decellerated, and yes actually, it is05:42
AStormweird then that I geet nice and low cpu usage out of it05:42
AStormmaybe it's because I do double buffering myself05:43
lcukthe xv mode is not the same as the x11 mode uses and talks directly with the omap05:43
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zakkmanyone try the new Nitdroid yet?05:43
AStormlcuk, hmm, I need a good hash over multiple numbers05:45
AStormfast and with low collision probability05:46
AStormnot necessarily cryptographically secure05:46
zakkmmd5 512 ;p05:46
lcukmmm? lots of numbers? strings?05:46
AStormno, few numbers05:46
AStormlike, 3 to 605:46
lcukbuild a tree05:46
lcukor just search05:47
AStormI mean, the input to the hash would be 3 to 6 numbers05:47
lcukthen just sum them05:47
AStormthe objects hashed will be many05:47
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AStormno, sum will collide05:47
zakkmirssi bolds *'s ;p05:47
AStormzakkm, yes :P05:47
AStormoften enough05:48
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zakkmi hate gentoo, taking ages to compile gnome05:48
AStormwho needs gnome?05:48
zakkmi do?05:48
AStormalso, there are tricks to speed it up05:48
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zakkmim aware, ive done them all05:48
AStormlike, try a better filesystem for /var/tmp05:48
zakkmram :)05:49
AStorm(e.g. tmpfs)05:49
zakkmive done that05:49
zakkmgave it 20% = 2gb05:49
zakkmi dont have other pcs05:49
AStormparallel make05:49
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zakkmmakeopts is -j305:49
AStormand not going over your head with flags05:49
zakkmi dont know so far im at like 3 hr 30min?05:49
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zakkmjust gnome packages05:50
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AStormfull gnome? what's the machine?05:50
zakkmim guessing another 15min?05:50
zakkmyes full gnome .. 2.24.2? .. pentinum E2180 2ghz, 4gb ddr2 ram05:50
AStormlcuk, so, I need 2 hashes: one would be 65b -> 32b05:50
zakkmmarch=nocona :)05:50
AStormanother 130b -> 32b05:51
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AStormzakkm, I take it you're running core2?05:51
lcukno, you need a decent folding function05:51
AStormand read the wrong wiki05:51
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AStormlcuk, yes, compression function = hash05:51
zakkmAStorm: ... not core 2.. but it follows same march05:51
zakkmpentinum E05:51
zakkmpentinum dual core ...05:51
AStormhmm, the laptop one?05:52
zakkmyour really bad at knowing cpus ;p05:52
AStormweird cpu05:52
zakkmIt goes Celeron E, Pentinum E, then Core 2 E05:52
zakkmand then quad Core which is Q05:52
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AStormgimme /proc/cpuinfo05:52
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zakkmpermission denied?05:53
AStormas that Pentium might be like Pentium3 not 4 (which is nocona)05:53
AStormzakkm, root?05:53
zakkmnooo lol05:53
zakkmyes root05:53
zakkmim noot that dumb lol05:53
zakkmits not pentinum 3 lol05:53
zakkmokay listen05:53
zakkmits after Pentinum D05:53
lcukint32 hash = fold_from64(a[0],fold_from64(a[1],a[2]));05:54
zakkmit goes pentinum D.. .Pentinum E ... then Core2E05:54
AStormlcuk, from 6505:54
zakkmi wouldnt pay $72 for a pentinum 3 lol05:54
AStormthe architecture is what matters05:55
zakkmlets go with a weak core 2 duo05:55
AStormand I reckon it's not nocona05:55
zakkmsame arch, weaker clock05:55
AStormwhich is explicitly Pentium 405:55
zakkmomg it is05:55
zakkmAstorm: onesec05:55
zakkm Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad / Xeon 51xx/53xx, Pentium Dual-Core T23xx+/Exxxx05:56
zakkmsee XD05:56
zakkmit follows nocona05:56
AStormit's *not* nocona05:56
AStormit has no relation to Pentium405:56
zakkmyes it is05:56
AStormuse march=core2 or mtune=generic05:57
zakkmi cant use core205:57
zakkmcore 2's can05:57
AStormyou can05:57
AStormwith -mno-sse405:57
AStormor such05:57
zakkmdont even have gcc 4.305:57
zakkmi know nocona is right05:57
AStormit's wrong05:58
AStormbenchmark first05:58
zakkmhows it wrong05:58
zakkmtell me05:58
AStormbecause the cpu timings are all off05:58
zakkmcpu timings?05:58
zakkmits right lol05:58
AStormno, it's frigginnot05:58
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AStormI checked the gcc code05:58
AStormI benchmarked it05:59
AStormit avoids certain instructions which were slow on P405:59
AStormand optimizes for a deep pipeline05:59
AStormwhich core doesn't have05:59
zakkmits no ta penintum 405:59
zakkmis ti?05:59
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AStormand this pentium dual core is core 2 with less cache06:00
zakkmits not a pentiunm 4 dual core06:00
zakkmits a pentiunm dual core06:00
AStormand nocona is pentium 406:00
AStormyour's is either core duo or core 2 duo06:01
AStorm(no matter the brand)06:01
zakkmso your telling me is hould use =core2?06:01
AStormyes, if available06:02
AStormmaybe =core if there's one (there's not in 4.3)06:02
AStormit's probably Allendale, so that'd be core206:02
zakkmyour a gentoo user?06:03
zakkmcool gnome just finished :)06:03
* alterego shudders06:03
AStormand I tested march nocona to hell on my core206:04
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zakkmcore2 is significantly better?06:04
AStormand found it slower in apps06:04
AStormit is06:04
AStormeven pentium3 is06:04
AStormno march is better06:04
zakkmmay i pm you the emerge info?06:04
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AStormI guess I'll just go with CRC-32 or such06:58
AStormhmm, no07:00
AStorma hash function that has strong clustering would be better in my case07:01
AStormnah, for similarity to work in my case, I'd need many more bits :/07:03
johnxI can provide some extra bits: 01010107:03
zakkmfinally glibc finished ;p07:04
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johnnyjohnjohngood evening07:45
johnxhi johnnyjohnjohn07:45
johnnyjohnjohnhey johnx07:45
johnnyjohnjohnquestion for you: know of any apps for maemo so I can browse my apps like an iphone?07:46
johnnyjohnjohnor a way of rearranging the interface07:46
johnnyjohnjohnI can't find any examples anywhere07:46
johnxitablet, and personal launcher07:47
johnnyjohnjohnand I wouldn't know where to begin with discecting ubuntu mobile07:47
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johnnyjohnjohnawesome thanks07:48
johnxdo you have experience with theming for other things?07:48
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johnnyjohnjohnonly for the web07:49
johnnyjohnjohnI did some linux stuff07:49
johnnyjohnjohnbut it was coded and cut by someone else07:49
johnxI can't picture re-arranging the panels being much more difficult than hacking css layouts07:49
johnxjust...time consuming to get started07:49
johnnyjohnjohnyou can look up my work via my name on gnome-look07:49
johnnyjohnjohnI did the logo for Lighttpd07:50
johnxah, love the style07:50
johnxI would love a really simple flat theme for maemo07:51
johnnyjohnjohnI'm working on a mobile interface project which is why I'm on IRC07:51
johnnyjohnjohnyeah, I'm trying to make a cross-platform theme07:51
johnnyjohnjohnfor the desktop and mobile devices07:51
johnxaaah...dunno how much you'll be able to reuse07:52
johnnyjohnjohna sort of standard theme across linux and open devices07:52
johnxyou could some art I guess07:52
johnnyjohnjohndo you think there would be any volunteers out there to help make a theme?07:52
johnnyjohnjohnIf I did the layouts and designs?07:53
johnnyjohnjohnI mean, as soon as I launch the project I'm sure to find some volunteers07:54
johnnyjohnjohnI'm pretty confident about it07:54
johnxtheming on the tablet is pretty intensive in terms of artwork07:54
johnxlots of things that are done programatically on desktop linux are actually pictures in maemo07:54
johnnyjohnjohnwell, it's actually as intensive as a large web project07:55
johnxa fair comparison I think :)07:55
johnxhave you looked at theme-maker?07:55
johnnyjohnjohnnot yet07:55
johnxit has a template07:55
johnxbut that's for the normal layout07:55
johnxI've never known anyone who made an alternative layout except the ubuntu mobile guys07:56
johnxso basically, you want to kill off the left bar and have a desktop full of app launchers, like the iphone, right?07:57
johnnyjohnjohnyeah, well that, and have "multiple views"07:57
johnnyjohnjohnso that the desktop interface can be a number of different styles07:57
johnnyjohnjohnand transition animations are configurable07:58
johnx"different styles" as in different layouts for the panels?07:58
johnnyjohnjohnyeah, perhaps07:58
johnxcause that's getting pretty ambitious07:58
johnnyjohnjohnor for instance07:58
johnnyjohnjohnhaving a "list" menu style like a zune or the ipod07:58
johnnyjohnjohnwith different kinds of scrolling07:59
johnnyjohnjohnthrough icons07:59
johnnyjohnjohnor just names07:59
johnxok, now you're talking about coding a whole new launcher :P07:59
johnxhmm...or co-opting someone else's :D07:59
johnxyeah, I think you could get people interested08:00
johnxIMHO, you should put together a really rough, quick layout, and post on
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johnxyou certainly have me interested as I'm looking for a 640x480 maemo layout for my own ends :D08:01
pupnik_i saw a complete uatx motherboard with atom cpu (missing RAM) for about 70 euro today08:01
johnnyjohnjohnoh cool08:01
pupnik_dual atom-cpu @ 1.6ghz08:01
pupnik_that would replace a desktop box for me in some ways08:02
johnnyjohnjohnwell my whole concept is to really create an optimal interface for mobile and desktop environments08:02
johnxpupnik_, pretty nice deal. I think I've seen them just as cheap on but good deal for people in Europe08:02
johnxjohnnyjohnjohn, do you have a tablet?08:02
johnnyjohnjohnand I've been involved with the project08:02
johnnyjohnjohnjust a maemo08:02
johnnyjohnjohnbut I use a waco08:02
johnnyjohnjohnwacom pen tablet :)08:03
johnxerr...sorry, meant internet tablet in this case. n800? n810?08:03
johnnyjohnjohnhaven't used it much though08:03
johnxthe one coming out in june 2009 :)08:04
johnnyjohnjohnoh wait08:04
johnxbroke into Nokia and grabbed one of their prototypes? :D08:04
johnxnow *that* would get people's attention on iTT :D08:04
johnnyjohnjohnthat's what it is08:05
lcukjohnnyjohnjohn, :) have you seen my work?08:05
johnnyjohnjohnwhat is it?08:05
johnxlcuk, just who I was expecting to be interested :D08:06
johnxI should figure out some layout stuff then ...08:06
johnnyjohnjohndo you have a link?08:06
lcukstart here: (and vote me up while you are there :P), my homepage is, and then to top it off for tonight, my app launcher08:07
johnxahaha...what a wonderful timing coincidence :)08:07
lcukim up *really* late tonight :S08:08
johnxjeez, no kidding. I didn't expect to see you for another ~4-5 hours08:09
johnnyjohnjohnit would be awesome if you could make your doodles hyperlinks08:09
lcukjohnnyjohnjohn, :) wouldnt it just08:10
johnnyjohnjohnI mean, I'd be into it08:10
lcukjohnx, got a lot straight in my mind tonight08:10
johnnyjohnjohnoh yeah08:10
johnnyjohnjohnand trigger sound files and movies08:10
johnxlcuk, good good. :) and looks like I have my next task to solve: panel layouts :$08:11
lcukjohnnyjohnjohn, every single box in the ui can technically house a sketch08:11
lcukevery single sketch can contain multiple sketches08:11
lcukanyway, bedtime08:13
johnx'night lcuk :)08:13
lcukjohnnyjohnjohn, my mail address is clearly visible pretty much everywhere liqbase related, send me a mail08:13
johnnyjohnjohnhave a good night08:14
johnxso, yes, definitely post a sample layout to itt forums, and I'll see if I can figure out the layout...but *no promises*08:16
johnxhmm, also can you picture your theme working ok rotated 90 degrees? as in 480x800? or 480x640?08:18
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pupnik_also nice08:21
pupnik_a notebook hard drive consisting of 6 full-size SD slots08:22
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johnxyeah, seen those in a couple places. and I always liked the IDE->CF converters08:22
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pupnik_yeah johnx08:56
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pupnik_btw i may seriously consider putting up a 'Hall of Shame' for apps that create their own repository / App-Mgr categories08:57
johnxyou mean a nice list so people can add those repos and break their n8x0?08:57
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johnxhey rm_you| :)09:09
rm_you|heading to beths09:11
johnxgrrr :P09:11
rm_you|i'll eat some hashbrowns for you09:11
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tlkganyone use irreco to connect to a linux box with the telnet backend?09:20
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pupnik_johnx: in app manager - show installable applications - look at all the categories containing only one program09:49
pupnik_that is an *embarassment*09:49
qwerty12Like this: :D09:50
johnxpupnik_, push Nokia to get a new SSU out with GA's fixed catagories09:50
johnx99% of the apps would be in Other right now :)09:50
johnxanyways, off into the world09:50
pupnik_cheers johnx09:53
pupnik_nice job to qwerty1209:53
qwerty12It's not my work (minus some parts on the hide legal message) :)09:54
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qwerty12morning Stskeeps10:34
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Stskeepsjohnx: just push source package to builder if so :)10:39
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Stskeepsmorning meiz11:11
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MaceN800my g1 has a dead pixel11:25
MaceN8002 days old11:25
MaceN800im taking it back first thing tomorrow11:26
MaceN800using my n95 again11:26
MaceN800you think nokia would repair my n95?11:26
MaceN800it's taken a couple minor falls11:27
MaceN800and has 2 scratches and a slight chip11:27
MaceN800only cosmetic, but ugly11:27
MaceN800wonder if i can get a replacement case kit for it11:28
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pupnik_what is a g111:43
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pupnik_looks almost not sucky11:48
pupnik_- no std headphone jack11:48
pupnik_- 320x480 display11:48
Vulcanisthats IT?!11:49
Vulcanis320x480 seems absurd11:49
pupnik_+ kbd looks usable11:49
pupnik_iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular11:50
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MaceN800ok.. that was strange12:02
MaceN800n800 batt went from 80% to low12:02
Vulcanis[04:50:15] <pupnik_> iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular -- its also disgusting12:02
Vulcanisqwerty12: My favorite was a vista error12:03
Vulcanisthat told me the windows error reporting service had stopped12:03
qwerty12I like keeping it disabled anyway :P12:03
MaceN800ugh... need my bbt kb12:04
MaceN800wish i got an n810 insteaad of the n80012:05
MaceN800that's better12:05
MaceN800i wonder if i coudl map the menu button on this thing12:06
MaceN800you woudl figre an n800 would have support for a su8w12:06
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keesjhi ppl12:15
qwerty12hi keesj12:17
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keesjbeen using n800 for real the last two weeks12:18
keesjused liqbase a lot and canola. really missed the gps12:19
keesjbut my n810's touchscreen was killed by kids12:19
qwerty12I'm surprised my N800's touchscreen hasn't died yet :P12:20
keesjthe 770 screen where bad but the n800 and 810 are much better.12:20
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qwerty12Looking at the amount of WSOD's with 770, I think 770 was a disaster imo. Except for being able to play videos better :)12:21
keesjbut specialy with liqbase you see sensditivity problems around the borders of the screen12:21
keesjthe 770 plastics and raw design are what I really like12:22
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: do you know what is gonna happen if i copy /etc/osso-af-init from maemo to Mer?12:24
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x29ahey, anybody keen to help me set up my external sd card for booting? im following the wiki but i dont understand what the 480MB vfat partition is for, and the cloning script writes stuff to the second partition, so of course my initfs cant find anything to boot from12:28
Meiz_n810x29a: search for "console-tools" at internettablettalk.com12:28
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MaceN800there... that should do it12:30
MaceN800gftp seems much better12:34
MaceN800although im only getting 350K/s over wifi12:35
MaceN800that might be n800 sftp overhead tho12:35
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: not sure its such a good idea :P12:44
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Meizirkkii just tried it, some errors, nothing else happened12:45
qwerty12xscreensaver is brilliant on the n800, I just need to fix the settings window to show everything12:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: it is very cpu intensive12:46
qwerty12Stskeeps, hehe, I don't think people will use it to save battery, I'm using it for the effects :)12:47
Meizirkkiis there any terminal emulator for Mer, that could work h-i-m12:47
Meizirkkiwith h-i-m12:47
qwerty12Meizirkki, when I first built roxterm and didn't hildonize it, it supported hildon input method out of the box. In fact, it even said h-i-m in its menu12:47
Meizirkkiok, thanks12:48
qwerty12This was in Maemo though12:48
* qwerty12 goes and has some fun with glade...12:48
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StskeepsMeizirkki: we have some problems with osso-xterm and vte atm but sooner or later..12:51
MeizirkkiThere is h-i-m selected in ROXterm menu, but i don't know how to get it up...12:52
Stskeepsclick the terminal? dunno :P12:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, how about using libvte9 and applying maemo patches to that instead? but I don't know how far that would make you deviate from maemo though...12:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: maybe12:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: i just suspect this isn't the only app we'll run into with that problem though12:53
qwerty12I do think the mer sdk does need fixing though12:54
Stskeepswell one of the problems might be that your scratchbox core isnt recent12:55
qwerty12Could be actually, I haven't updated this system in a long time (apologies in advance for blaming your sdk if it is me not updating)12:55
Stslaptophehe, no need to apologise to me :)12:55
Stslaptopscratchbox is sometimes a bit of a clusterfuck :)12:56
qwerty12hehe :)12:56
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MeizirkkiStskeeps: look at tablet-wireless script, there is following line: "ifconfig wlan0 up - was for network-manager"13:04
Meizirkki"-" should be "#" i guess?13:05
Meizirkkinm-applet still refuses to connect, when i removed the "- was for network-manager" part.13:07
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x29aMeizirkki: so the vfat/dos partition is only for showing up when plugged in as usb-device?13:15
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x29aswapon > virtual memory?13:20
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MaceN800hm. tmob only gives me an edge connection in my n9513:22
StslaptopMeizirkki: you're right13:24
MaceN800i want to try nitdroid13:24
MaceN800but no sound or bt? =)13:25
MaceN800that's rough13:25
Meizirkkix29a: yes13:26
Meizirkki(swap = virtual memory [on card])13:27
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MaceN800no maemo support for bt headphones still?13:34
MaceN800am i missing something here?13:34
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MaceN800figured a2dp would be there by now13:37
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MaceN800wtf... i cant believe there is no a2dp support right out the box for an n80013:48
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StskeepsMaceN800: trust me, i wasnt happy about it either :P13:54
MaceN800is it possible to add it?13:55
Stskeepsbut so it is. it supports bt headset, but not headphone. fremantle will support a2dp13:55
Stskeepsthere's a larger thread on iTT on it13:55
MaceN800os 2009?13:55
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Stskeepsmaemo 5.0 :P13:56
MaceN800requires reflash?13:57
MaceN800or can diablo update on the fly?13:57
qwerty12It's not available officially on N800 or N810.13:58
qwerty12Or rather, will not be13:58
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Stslaptopwhich is what mer is for, but im not sure a2dp can run sanely on n8x0? :P13:58
qwerty12Probably not, I think lardman says it uses the cortex for a2dp13:58
MaceN800It has not yet been determined whether Fremantle will run on current N800, and N810 devices, though.[40]14:01
MaceN800that's a let down14:02
MaceN800and i lost the wire phones that came w/ n80014:03
qwerty12"Maemo 5 comes today as an SDK only since it targets the OMAP3 architecture and no OMAP2 compatibility will be officially provided." ;)14:03
MaceN800thanks qwerty.. and i was going to get an xohm n81014:03
MaceN800glad i didnt14:03
qwerty12Yeah, the N900 with hspda will be better than wimax anyway :P14:04
MaceN800yeah but i just killed my att acct14:04
MaceN800and went w/ tmmob14:05
qwerty12What, doesn't T-Mobile USA provide 3g?14:05
MaceN800who are probably bw whores14:05
qwerty12I know they do over here14:05
MaceN800they do14:05
MaceN800the woman at the store said that my service would be cut if i tried to use my g1 as a modem14:06
MaceN800the g1/android plan throttles14:06
qwerty12sucks :/14:06
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MaceN800i tried using an android client to download stuff and they cut me off at 5MB14:06
MaceN800i can use their edge all day long tho14:06
MaceN800my quad band unlocked n95 wont' connect to their 3G network14:07
MaceN800and i have no idea why heh14:07
qwerty12Is it an American N95? 3g frequencies in America are different to the ones in Europe14:07
MaceN800it worked fine with att14:08
MaceN800and if att's network wouldn't drop my ppp connectin all day long i'd have kept them14:08
qwerty12Is the SIM a USIM?14:09
MaceN800i think the moon had to be in a certain place for me to actually download more than 200M14:09
MaceN800honestly dunno14:09
MaceN800i havfe it in my n95 now14:09
MaceN800taking the g1 back because it has a dead pixel14:09
MaceN800made in china14:09
MaceN800no 2 day old device should have dead pixels14:10
qwerty12It's why I love my N800 - Made in Finland :)14:10
MaceN800you can tell the quality difference  between nokia products14:10
MaceN800well.. most of them14:10
MaceN800and htc stuff14:10
MaceN800the g1 is flimsy14:10
MaceN800it doesn't slide open as it more so CLUNKS open on this half circle arm thing14:11
MaceN800the n95 slides so smooth i was expecting oil to leak from it14:11
qwerty12Eurgh, hopefully, there will be better made products using android14:11
MaceN800yeah... let's hope so14:12
MaceN800because i have to admit.. android is really good14:12
MaceN800i think it beats the crap out of symbian to tell you the truth14:12
qwerty12Yeah, I quite enjoyed using nitdroid on the N800. Don't think it could replace Maemo on the N800 but I wouldn't mind having a separate android device14:12
MaceN800i don't understand why symbian is so hard to make nice looking heh14:12
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MaceN800i haven't tried it yet14:13
MaceN800no bt and no uhm.. no something that i like... sound?14:13
MaceN800so i haven't bothered14:13
qwerty12Blame linux-omap guys :P. Sound driver for N800 is too old :P14:13
qwerty12Sound works on N810 :/14:14
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MaceN800does it?14:14
MaceN800no gps support tho14:14
MaceN800i wouldn't be able to live with myself having a piece of hardware in a unit not able to do anything14:14
MaceN800yeah.. so far maemo seems the only way to go14:15
qwerty12yeah, latest linux-omap tree has current support for sound in N81014:15
qwerty12Heh, looking at the gps, I think I could live without it :P14:15
MaceN800i could too14:15
MaceN800but it's the principle ;)14:15
MaceN800and the bt14:15
MaceN800i wouldn't be able to stand not being able to use my bt keyboard14:16
MaceN800the n800 doesn't use a standard headphone jack does it?14:16
* MaceN800 thinks there is only one way to find out14:16
qwerty12Yep, it can use normal headphones fine. It has an extra 3rd prong but that's just for a microphone14:16
MaceN800i thought the 3rd prong would mess up standard headphones14:17
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MaceN800maybe it was a fluke last time i tried.. but the sound didn't seem right14:18
MaceN800i wish nokia would release an android device14:18
MaceN800but they are stuck with symbian on their hones14:18
suihkulokkithere's the intructions on porting n800 driver to current linux-omap :)14:18
MaceN800suihk, i'm not that good14:19
glassMaceN800: google isn't as open/free about official android as they like to pose14:19
MaceN800i'm wondering if the same could be said for nokia and symbian ;)14:20
MaceN800google allowed just enough out there to allow people to develop for it14:20
glassMaceN800: symbian is actually more open.. and the native apps are native14:21
glassopen in the sense of what you can d14:21
qwerty12well, I found this ironic looking at the signing shit:
MaceN800giving them a market with a huge selection of software in a short amount of time14:21
MaceN800but it's not as pretty and does not attract people to dev for it14:21
MaceN800it's boring ;)14:22
MaceN800symbian is great and powerful and you can get a lot done on it.. but it looks absolutely dull14:22
MaceN800it's like having a quad i7... and running blackbox on it just because you want to remain minimal14:23
glassyou mean theming? or the stupid ui lib on s60?14:24
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MaceN800thhhhhhhhe ui14:27
MaceN800it's just a shitty ui :) well.. not shitty.. but yoou could do so much more with the hardware in an n95 or e71 than what symbian does14:28
MaceN800i'm waiting on an android for my n9514:28
MaceN800that would be so awesome14:28
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florianhi all14:32
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: found weird fix for libtool oddity14:36
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, wicked14:36
Stskeepsgo to ECHO="echo" in libtool (when generated), and change it to echo="echo"14:36
qwerty12_N800This is why i hate case sensitivity sometimes :P14:37
MaceN800is there anything to boost the vol in maemo?14:38
MaceN800the output from the jack seems so low14:38
qwerty12_N800If you use easy debian, gnome alsa mixer works a treat14:39
MaceN800 im in stock maemo14:39
qwerty12_N800(although if truth be told, that's all I did use it for)14:40
MaceN800i havent had time to tweak my n80014:40
Stskeepsyou got tired of your G1 already? :P14:42
MaceN800lol no!14:42
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i kinda like the "open to anything" motto for tablets though14:42
MaceN800i have it boxed up now14:42
MaceN800going to return it because it has a dead pixel14:43
MaceN800i don't play that shit on a brand new phone14:43
MaceN800and i'd probably be able to deal with it if it were in a place i wouldn't notice it much.. but it's in a spot that shows up in every menu i open14:43
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yeah.. I hope the rx-51 raises the stakes...14:43
MaceN800it's like bird shit right in front of your face on your windshield14:43
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StskeepsMaceN800: think we have a rule in .dk dead pixels are ok .. up to 5 or so, but on a phone it might be different14:45
Meizirkki! I didn't know that in Mer, "chr" button kiks up menu in non-hildonized apps o_014:45
Stskeepsas this rule is for tvs14:45
StskeepsMeizirkki: i still dont have a n810 :P14:45
Stskeepsbut neat14:45
StskeepsMeizirkki: how broken is installer right now btw?14:45
Meizirkkiit comes up to the place, where mouse is :P14:46
MeizirkkiStskeeps: it should work14:46
MaceN800a tv has far more pixels14:46
StskeepsMeizirkki: "should work"? :>14:46
MaceN800and i am sure that having a dead pixel on a brand new item is cause for return14:46
MeizirkkiStskeeps: i haven't tested the latest version, but we found what was wrong14:46
Stskeepsthanks for helping out, i just dont have time for those testings atm :P14:47
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: think libtool in mer devkit might aid things?14:47
* RST38h moos evilly, fresh from debugging 68000 code14:47
MaceN80068000 code?14:48
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, probably, even more so if it's fixed14:48
MaceN800you coding for a sega genesis?14:48
qwerty12_N800moo RST38h14:48
RST38hMace: I am debugging a sega genesis.14:48
RST38hDon't ask. And I won't tell how gay it is.14:49
MaceN800understood :)14:49
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: only "issue" is that libtool is 2.x in ubuntu though14:49
Stskeepsand i'm willing to bet a lot of crap breaks :>14:49
RST38hqwerty: whaZZZup? (judging from the number of downloads from, it is more like ZZZ than up)14:50
qwerty12_N800RST38h, heh, nothing much, just finished packaging zenity earlier :D14:51
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: on the other hand, these issues would arise when nokia upgrades to libtool 2 too:P14:51
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, maybe they never will :P14:51
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MaceN800so it's possible?14:57
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gladiacyou can use a bluetooth device as a soundcard14:58
gladiacthere is a kernel module for that14:58
Stskeepsi swear, with all the fucking about in scratchbox i've been doing, it's going to end up on my cv.15:01
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johnxStskeeps, you can bet that once we get closer to Mer beta I'm going to add "package maintainer" to my resume15:05
RST38hSts: "Skills: carmic sex with Scratchbox, deep knowledged of all positions"15:05
Stskeepsjohnx: heh heh15:05
johnxRST38h, both giving and receiving15:05
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: certainly belongs to a buzzword style CV :)15:09
Stskeepshehe :P15:10
RST38hActually, "Skills: Scratchboxing'15:10
Stskeepsthat kinda fits the experience once in a while, yes15:11
Stskeeps(no offense meant to scratchbox coders, it is actually a good tool, just a little like boxing with the additional rule it's alright to scratch eachother.)15:11
johnxyeah, cross compiling is a hairy problem. OE and scratchbox make it saner, but it can never really be simple by definition of the problem15:13
johnxMaceN800, if you didn't already know AT&T and T-Mo use different bands for 3G in the US15:14
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Stskeepssometimes i don't blame the java people :P15:14
MaceN800what band does tmob use?15:14 of them uses 1700 and one uses 210015:15
johnxdunno which is which15:15
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: now with sane libtool, .. i think15:16
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, brilliant. I'll give my system an update later15:17
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: alright15:17
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johnxer, wait, t-mo uses *both* 1700 and 2100. but not the EU 2100. AT&T uses 1900 and 85015:19
johnxGSM/WCDMA frequencies are SNAFU15:20
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* RST38h is most scare of three things in the US: the Cable Company, the Phone Company and the Cell Company15:23
johnxAmerican oil isn't on the list?15:23
RST38hSatan's tripod15:23
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RST38hjohnx: No, I do not have to converse with these15:24
johnxah, I think they get us into more wars than the info-comm-tainment companies15:24
RST38hjohnx: + oil guys are somewhere at the scale of natural disasters, they are not personified enough15:24
johnxoooh, other people working on omapfb?15:28
Stskeepssame place afaik15:28
johnxdidn't know that's where they came from15:28
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johnxthey have manual updates though I think O_o15:29
Stskeepsonly wv15:29
Stskeepsi think15:29
johnxthat's an odd choice15:30
Stskeepsask kulve sometime about it i guess15:30
johnxsomeone really needs to tell the guys on linux-omap about deblet...15:33
johnxjust read most of the thread linked in the scrollback15:34
johnxlots of people trying to make debian work with low degree of success15:34
Stskeepsotto = solca btw15:35
johnxyeah, guessed that :)15:36
johnxfrom the last name and the subject matter15:36
Stskeepsthat's a good thread so far15:36
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Stskeepsbut yea, it's fascinating to see how quick people get OS'es bootstrapped after getting to know what initfs tricks to employ :P15:39
RST38hBTW, gentlemen, what will you say if N9x0 comes with the 24bpp display?15:39
johnxbah, initfs tricks are cheating: why back in my day... *shakes fist*15:39
alteregoI'll say, why they hell?15:39
Stskeepsyeah, men can only see 16 colors anyway15:40
johnxRST38h, i'll say: it'll be easy to switch to 16bit visuals in linux15:40
Stskeepswell, or distinguish15:40
johnxor name?15:40
Stskeeps.. that too15:40
johnxif I can't name it I don't want to see it :P15:40
johnxwhat's with muave and shartruse (sp?)15:40
RST38hjohnx: no, what if the basic desktop color resolution is 24bpp?15:41
alteregoLooks at Cairo::Colors :)15:41
jaskamauve chartreuse15:41
qwerty12_N800Bring the colours on, baby! :p15:41
jaskahad to look up chartreuse15:41
johnxRST38h, I won't be surprised, but for people who need 16bit it shouldn't be too hard. also: it will probably be 32bit15:41
johnxjaska, exactly. if I have to look them up, I don't need um! 4-bits is enough for anyone15:42
jaskahehe.. i just remembered it started with a c15:43
johnxStskeeps, I think we have DPMS in x-x-v-omapfb (!). no more dsme blacnking!15:43
johnx<- spelling b0rken15:43
qwerty12_N800I love dsme blacnking, don't you dare remove it15:44
johnxwhat about blanking? :P15:44
johnxcan I remove that?15:44
RST38hjohnx: Yes, it will be 32bit, i.e. twice as much data to move around15:44
qwerty12_N800johnx, sure :P15:44
RST38hjohnx: And I am not asking it out of academic curiosity btw15:44
Stskeepsjohnx: interesting15:45
johnxRST38h, if there's no difference in speed between 16/32bits on the GPU and they have the RAM to play with (say 512MB) it's just a question of making *damn sure* they don't do something really stupid with the LCD bus...again15:46
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ShadowJKThat xf86-video-omapfb thing... It does some software conversion if you feed it YV12 (which is the native format for nearly all video codecs by default)... Surprise surprise, benchmarking xv on Maemo shows that YV12->XV is slower than YUY2->XV, with mplayer doing the conversion in the second case...15:47
StskeepsShadowJK: can you understand X driver structure? :P15:47
Stskeepsif so, code manual updates for us ;)15:47
ShadowJKAnd if this software behind-your-back conversion in the Xv driver hadn't been implemented in the first place, MPlayer would've automatically converted to YUY2 and it'd performed better without the need to tweak manually15:48
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ShadowJK(of course, the maemo port of mplayer has some scary raw omapfb output which slaughters xv anyway...)15:48
ShadowJKStskeeps, no I have no clue15:49
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johnxah, mplayer: a different output system for every fb :)15:49
ShadowJKyes well, when vendors and driver writers manage to cripple Xv so often, people resort to desperate acts15:50
* johnx doesn't even remember xfbdev on the zaurus having xv...15:51
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ssvbShadowJK: Xomap has an optimized YUV conversion code and it will slaughter that xf86-video-omapfb thing on Xv performance15:52
ssvbShadowJK: that is until somebody cares to port optimized YUV conversion code to xf86-video-omapfb :)15:53
johnxyeah, but xorg fits so much better into ubuntu than xomap...15:53
RST38hjohnx: there is x2 difference15:54
ShadowJKssvb, quickly looking over it, I didn't find any other conversion than planar->packed?15:54
ssvbShadowJK: that's the only relevant conversion15:54
ssvbthe others are much less important15:55
johnxRST38h, yes, in xv. but mice work 2x better or more in xorg. :P15:55
RST38hjohnx: see, I started hacking into 5800 yesterday, an s60e5 device supposedly similar in hw to upcoming n9x015:55
ShadowJKWhat I just benchmarked was then Xomap's conversion vs MPlayer's conversion15:55
RST38hjohnx: and it seems to be restricted to 32bit RGBA mode15:55
johnxRST38h, huh? a poervr sgx? mbx?15:55
RST38hjohnx: did not touch that, I just need scren buffer access15:56
RST38hwanted to drop it into 16bpp like previous s60e3 devices but no go15:56
johnxRST38h, sorry if this sounds dim, so you mean just the LCD controller doesn't support 16bit?15:56
RST38hjohnx: apparently15:57
RST38hor the os does not let you enable it for some reason15:57
johnxodd. I think it will be on-chip on the omap3, yes? is there a reason you think the LCD controller in the OMAP3 will be the same as the 5800?15:58
johnxand what chipset *is* the 5800 using?15:58
RST38hgood question with no answer15:59
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RST38hNokia says "uses ARM11 CPU"15:59
johnxthe LCD controller is probably on-chip I would assume.16:00
alteregoI'm goign to be reinstalling my laptop today O_O16:01
alteregoIt'll probably take quite some time ^_^16:01
johnxalways does16:01
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johnx~hail qwerty12 :)16:09
* infobot bows down to qwerty12 :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"16:09
johnxwoo! a nice clean version of zenity to use16:09
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ShadowJKheh time to playback 1000 frames: xv yv12 (Xomap doing conversion): ~70secs, xv yuy2 (MPlayer doing conversion): ~52secs, mplayer vo omapfb: ~43secs16:27
ShadowJKshocking :)16:27
qwerty12_N800_johnx, :)16:27
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Stskeepsnext step on the road, a friggen toolchain16:28
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* ShadowJK starts to see why mplayer omapfb output isn't in mplayer mainline16:36
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: how do i stop redirection of autoconf?16:40
Stskeepsnm. got a solution now.16:42
Stskeepsor not.16:42
MaceN800i always thought not another teen movie was joking when they had the one black guy that was meant to say three things16:43
MaceN800until i watched armegeddon and the big black dude said something cliche like 'harry.. you da man'16:43
Stskeepstoken black16:43
MaceN800it's like when they have a movie about the military16:44
MaceN800someone always has to salute at the end16:44
MaceN800like a few good men16:44
MaceN800where the Marine salutes indoors. Marines don't salute indoors unless they have a weapon16:44
MaceN800but it made for good tv i suppose16:45
qwerty12_N800stskeeps, I thought you could provide a full path to the one you want in your autogen script or similar? but something like (not tested), export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/autoconf ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH16:45
Stskeepskludge on kludge..16:46
johnxsunday, sunday, sunday! hot kludge on kludge action at the megadome!16:47
ssvbShadowJK: your results are very strange, normally you should not get better performance with yuy216:50
ShadowJKssvb, wouldn't this be because the hardware doesn't support YV12?16:51
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ssvbShadowJK: but video decoders do not normally support YUY2, so a conversion is needed anyway16:52
ShadowJKI benchmark the 3 different implementations of this software conversion16:52
ShadowJKThe video codec was still outputting YV1216:53
ssvbShadowJK: and your results are strange, because YUY2 conversion should be slower16:53
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ssvbShadowJK: because it has to crunch more data to provide 16-bit output instead of 12-bit16:54
ShadowJKJudging by xf86-video-omapfb, the hardware is not able to accept 12-bit YV12?16:55
ssvbShadowJK: it is able to accept 12-bit weird packed YUY420 format16:56
johnxwoo! xset dpms force off appears to *do the right thing*16:57
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johnxit's almost like a normal linux machine!16:57
Stskeepsjohnx: turning off display and backlight?16:58
johnxturning off backlight at least, how do I test to see if the display is really off16:59
* johnx grabs a flashlight16:59
johnxI think it's really off17:00
Meizirkkijohnx: pandora?17:01
Stskeepsjohnx: funny detail about sleep_while_idle and n810 in that thread btw17:01
johnxno pandora in hand yet *sighs*17:01
johnxabout the GPS uart?17:01
johnxwonder what's happening in maemo17:01
johnxI mean OS2008/maemo17:02
Stskeepsi guess it can't go properly to sleep when gps is on, maybe17:02
ShadowJKssvb, so is Xomap converting YV12 to this weird packed format?17:02
ssvbShadowJK: yes, and the same does mplayer in omapfb17:03
ssvbShadowJK: anyway, just did a benchmark myself and the results are: yv12 xv (78 seconds), yuv12 xv direct rendering (72 seconds), yuy2 xv (85 seconds), omapfb (61 seconds)17:03
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ssvbShadowJK: I suspect there is a problem in mplayer direct rendering implementation, theoretically it should be almost as fast as omapfb17:04
ssvbShadowJK: enabling direct rendering: '-dr -nomenu', enabling yuy2: '-vf yuy2'. Did you try something different?17:05
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ShadowJK-vf format=yuy217:06
ShadowJKAtleast in the case of Xv vs vidix, xmga and similar things on x86, there's an extra memcpy() done by X in the Xv path17:08
ssvbShadowJK: 'direct rendering' tries to get rid of this extra memcpy17:09
ssvbShadowJK: anyway, YUY2 is still the slowest for me, you must have done something different in your test17:09
ShadowJK-ao null -noframedrop17:10
ShadowJKand -benchmark to play as fast as it can17:10
ssvbShadowJK: I used -nosound -benchmark -quiet17:10
ShadowJKtry add -noframedrop ?17:10
ssvbShadowJK: what version of firmware/Xomap are you using?17:12
ShadowJKuh, whatever you get with diablo & ssu..17:13
ssvbShadowJK: I just thought that you might have been using old Xomap version, or rebuilt it yourself using configuration without armv6 optimizations enabled, nevermind17:14
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* alterego begins backup process :S17:16
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* alterego yawns17:25
alteregoThis is going to take _ages_ ..17:25
johnxyawning? backups are exciting!17:25
alteregoThe should implement transparent compression over DMA ..17:28
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ssvbShadowJK: by the way, have you run your tests with frequency scaling disabled (and CPU forced at 400MHz)?17:31
ShadowJKlet me do that17:34
ShadowJKrerunning without audio decoding right now17:34
ShadowJKforcing = set governor to performance?17:34
ssvbShadowJK: also make sure that there is nothing like metalayer-crawler running :)17:35
johnxStskeeps, the new builder '=' only applies if I'm not building the highest version number available, right?17:35
ShadowJKrunning everything 5 times17:35
ssvbShadowJK: echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active17:35
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah. anything that needs gcc and such that needs building atm? i'm fucking about a bit with builder so17:36
ShadowJKwhat does op_active do?17:36
ssvbShadowJK: the device supports OP modes 0, 1, 2 and 3. OP0 is 400MHz17:36
Stskeepsjohnx: (kinda broken libtool right now.)17:37
johnxStskeeps, I'll just do it later. no worries17:37
ssvbShadowJK: also it is better to benchmark with '-nosound', with just '-ao null' audio is still decoded and using CPU17:39
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RST38hObama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 201517:59
johnxI don't really see military rockets "tainting" NASA. seems to make sense to me18:01
RST38hjohnx: it will have to go both ways, if you know what I mean =)18:01
johnxthey'll use old shuttles full of TNT as missiles?18:02
RST38hjohnx: they will probably do more surveillance and military payload deliveries18:04
RST38hjohnx: As to old shuttles, I don't think you really need TNT there =)18:04
johnxjust drop them out of the sky on "people we don't like"18:04
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Stskeepsmm steak18:38
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Stskeepsgonna make that one of these days too18:40
Stskeepsfiancee went back to berlin so18:41
johnxless cooking now?18:41
johnxor more cooking?18:41
Stskeepsmore i guess18:41
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ShadowJKssvb, it's still not showing "correct" results18:42
ShadowJK~23, ~38, ~5518:42
ShadowJKomapfb, yuy2, yv1218:42
johnxmaybe you guys should settle on a common video clip to test...18:43
ShadowJKthat might help18:44
RST38hOr just blit stuff in a tight loop18:44
RST38hPersonally, mmap()ped fb0 works the best for me.18:44
RST38h+ hw scaling when in full screen mode.18:45
Stskeepsjohnx: was it zenity you wanted to build, btw?18:54
johnxnah, the hildon session stuff18:55
johnxI can do zenity stuff locally until I actually have something that uses it successfully18:57
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* Stskeeps tries to see if the new libtool improves anything or it just breaks horridly.19:01
* w00t_ votes for horrible breakage19:06
Stskeepsscaringily enough it didn't19:06
w00t_I don't believe you19:06
w00t_pix or it didn't happen.19:06
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* lcuk is in the doghouse19:07
Stskeepsyou broke her new motherboard?19:07
Stskeepsand the doghouse is acceptable if the wifi isnt off and you can reach it with your tablet.19:08
lcukno, i ummm was up a tad late coding last night19:08
Stskeepslcuk: you're moving to johnx's timezone now? :P19:09
lcukumm yeah sortof19:10
johnxheh, I'm moving east in terms of timezones though19:10
johnxfarther into the future I guess19:10
lcukStskeeps, i got a little caught up with a couple of things19:11
w00t_lcuk: unlucky you, I don't get in trouble for that :>19:11
w00t_(I've been up until 7am my time for the holiday season.. ugh.. work tomorrow is going to bring a sudden dose of reality back to things :<)19:12
Stskeepsw00t_: your gf studies comp.sci, doesn't count19:12
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w00t_Stskeeps: true :P19:12
b-manStskeeps, Johnx, what do you think of my new guide?;
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Stskeepsb-man: clinkc,mce-dummy,770 packages,xresponse-visualize isnt needed under ubuntu/n8x019:15
Stskeepsand ke-recv-l10n-public :P19:15
johnxb-man, also: when is gdm starting. if it starts before hal then that's your keyboard problem right there19:16
b-manhow can i fix that?19:16
Stskeepsb-man: and you forgot the warning ;)19:16
johnxyou need to look in /etc/rc2.d and check which is starting first19:16
b-manStskeeps; i'll add a warning too ;)19:17
Stskeeps(which is "this is a desktop distribution. it will take as much battery as it would on a laptop." :P)19:17
Stslaptopand the usual warning with bootmenu.d items and clone-to-SD scripts.19:18
* johnx assembles his new nokia charger19:20
Stslaptophehe. the bastard child of a nokia plug and a NTT charger? :P19:21
johnxyeah :/19:21
johnxthe converter is made by a company called "rasta banana"19:21
johnxI wish I was making this up19:21
b-manjohnx; S24hal    - in rc2.d19:21
b-mandoes this look right? :p19:23
johnxhuh...interesting. Stskeeps, you're not using any hal modifications for the keyboard support in Mer, right?19:23
johnxb-man, you could try changing gdm to start later. just increase the number. maybe 60 or so?19:23
Stskeepsjohnx: correct, but i'm not confident our keyboard support is correct19:23
johnxyeah, looks like our keymap is quite interesting...but better than nothing19:24
b-manjohnx; that won't cause problems with LSB.. right?19:25
Stskeepsb-man: i'm not confident insserv won't screw things up immensely19:25
Stskeepsbut that's just a hunch19:25
johnxwoo! franken-charger seems to work just fine19:25
johnxthank you mighty rasta banada!19:26
johnxdid I mention their logo is a bunch of bananas the colors of the Jamaican flag?19:27
qwerty12Do they ship a free zut with their chargers too? :)19:27
* Stskeeps uploads new toolchain19:27
* b-man goes and changes S30gdm to S60gdm and hopes he did not kill his ubuntu install :p19:28
johnxeh, you can change it back19:28
Stskeepsb-man: btw, just to be an ass so you don't get stupid people after you at some point, - you can't call it ubuntu :P19:28
Stskeeps(.. probably)19:28
b-mantabuntu! :D19:29
johnxwell, actually, he's providing instructions to install ubuntu19:29
Stskeepsmy bad then :)19:29
johnxplus, it would be fun to see those people get worked up again19:29
johnxqwerty12, I feel so out of touch. I actually had to look up that word O_o;19:30
alteregotabluntu tremendous tablet.19:31
qwerty12johnx, don't worry about it :P :D19:31
alteregoMobile mole19:31
Stskeepstortoise.. by the speed19:31
johnxqwerty12, and the answer is not unless I'm supposed to roll one with the crappy cardboard it came packaged in and use it to smoke the plastic...19:32
alteregoWhat's the command to get the load cycle count of a hard drive?19:32
qwerty12johnx, lol... yeah, plastic is no fun :P19:32
johnxalterego, "tremendous tablet" reminds me of those giant 2m tall display model phones19:32
johnxalterego, hdparm19:32
johnxdunno the param you need19:32
alteregohdparm cool. I thought it was something to do with smart utils19:33
johnxerrr.scratch that: smartctl19:33
alteregoAh okay :)19:33
Stslaptopqwerty12: updated SDK instructions at
johnxhad a brain lapse. I've done surprisingly little meddling in the affairs of my desktop linux box19:33
Stslaptoplibtool seems to be sane now19:33
Stslaptop(differences are toolchain and devkit)19:34
Stslaptopand perl19:34
qwerty12Stslaptop, brilliant. Just let me finish cannibalising the excellent acmonitor.19:34
johnxStslaptop, that's like saying "nothing could possibly go wrong."19:34
alterego59300 .. Is that a lot for an 8 month old laptop?19:34
b-manalterego; i know, it only took me a couple seconds to come up with tabuntu :p19:34
Stslaptopalterego: what currency? :P19:34
alteregoHeh, it's my load cycle count :P19:35
Stslaptopload counts :>19:35
johnx"load cycle" ?= number of spinups19:35
alteregoIt's the number of times the hard drive has parked and unparked.19:36
Stslaptopmm. i remember when having to tell my hd to park itself for transportation19:36
johnx2278 on a very old desktop drive19:36
alteregoHeh, there's one guy on this forum that's getting one a minute.19:37
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johnxha! it's 0 on my other drive :)19:38
alteregoIt's usually an issue with laptops ;)19:38
johnxyeah, mobile devices with moving parts have never worked out well for me19:39
johnxlike cars :$19:39
qwerty12Have we found a competitor for uptime records? :P19:39
johnxqwerty12, only respectible uptime to be had is on my router19:39
qwerty12johnx, hah, my one reboots like crazy... although for my old one, I did compile tugs uptime client - dunno if it works though :P19:40
johnx<plug>my router was rebooting pretty often, then I got Tomato firmware. Thanks Tomato!</plug>19:40
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alteregoWell, it looks like my hard drive, which has been up 178623 hours has an average of 3 load cycles an hour.19:41
qwerty12I may as well get a router supported by tomato or maybe the wrt's then. This router goes when I finish with o2 anyway19:41
churl1hi everyone!19:41
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alteregoInteresting, according to that my hard drive has been on for 7442 days. Even thought it's only 8 months old O_O19:42
Stskeepsrefurbished? :P19:42
johnxhi churl119:42
alteregoSomething tells me that "Power_On_Hours" is actually minutes.19:42
Stskeepsnever trust a hd19:42
alteregoBecause when I use it as minutes it has had a 4 month uptime, which is about right for a 8 month old laptop :)19:42
johnxalterego, it *might* be lying to you. does it also claim the temperature is 480C?19:42
alteregoTemperature is 38C19:43
alteregoOh, and "Power_On_Hours" is incrementing every minute ;)19:44
Stslaptopjohnx: builder clear19:44
churl1i have an issue with putting my n800 to standby (power button then middle direction button).  it just seems not to respond to the second button anymore.  another funny thing it was doing was bringing up an applet's preferences with a push of the power button.  where should i start with this issue?19:45
alteregoInteresting, I just completed a charge test on my N810. If I charge it with the standard mains charger it lasts quite a bit less than a slow charge with the USB charger I made that never completes the charge cycle O_O19:45
alteregoI'm going to do the test again to be sure :)19:45
churl1yo johnx19:45
johnxchurl1, which applet and which version of the OS?19:45
alteregoI wasn't expecting Li-Ion batteries to have that dramatic difference with charger ratings.19:46
alteregoI'll do an averaging test with my phone over a month too.19:46
churl1johnx: os 2008 and on further inspection it (was) acting as if i had clicked on "home" when i pressed power.  that part of the issue stopped after i ran the battery out and did a full charge19:47
churl1so i guess i cant get the screen to lock anymore is my real issue19:48
johnxdid you install anything that might be related to this?19:49
churl1nah, not that i can think of, i just picked it up one day (after the batt ran out or just after a week of non-use) and this issue started up19:50
churl1johnx: but like i said, this issue seems to change as the battery life is fully drained and then charged back up19:51
churl1oh, and it did work right after a full charge, just the next time i tried to go to standby, it wouldnt work19:52
churl1so, im at a loss! haha19:52
lcukalterego, people have been having spurious battery duration results for ages now19:53
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johnxso if you hit the power button, then hit "ok" to "lock screen and keyboard", what happens?19:54
churl1johnx: it doesnt seem to register the "ok"19:54
johnxso the dialog goes away?19:54
churl1the button works, it makes a click noise,19:54
johnxdoes the button light up as if you clicked it?19:55
churl1no, but im not sure if it ever does??19:55
lcukchurl, does it light up when you press it at other times19:56
churl1like a blue LED light around the "ok"?  no19:56
churl1it doesnt19:56
johnxchurl1, I mean the "ok" button. does it give the "you clicked me" look?19:56
johnxso you hear the screen tap, but the button doesn't "look clicked"?19:57
b-manadded a disclaimer to the Ubuntu guide ;)19:57
johnxchurl1, you're sure you never installed powerlaunch?19:57
churl1doesnt sound familiar19:58
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johnxok, what is the last piece of software you installed, even if it doesn't seem related?20:00
lcukjohnx, can you feel your ears burning :P20:00
churl1maybe dukenukem20:00
churl1i do have powerlaunch installed20:01
johnxnext question: are you out of space on the internal memory?20:02
churl1so kill powerlaunch?20:02
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johnxwell, are you using it for something? would you rather fix it or remove it?20:02
churl1johnx: not as far as i know :( i just want this to work again :)20:03
Stslaptopdo you have easy debian installed per chance?20:03
churl1not yet ;)20:04
johnxchurl1, I would try removing powerlaunch and rebooting to see if everything works again20:04
Stskeepsah, cos that drags in powerlaunch, i think :P20:04
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qwerty12qole removed the dependency with later versions20:05
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churl1johnx: ok, when i go to "lock touch screen and keys" should the screen go black? or just dim?20:08
johnxyes, depending on your settings20:09
johnxif dim and blank are set to the same time then it will blank, otherwise it will dim, then blank after a bit20:09
churl1:) just saw it do all that20:10
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churl1where are those settings?20:10
johnxin control panel -> display I think20:11
churl1thanks a bunch johnx!20:11
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GAN8001 /etc/mce/mce.ini20:12
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Stskeepsjohnx: btw we might have a bigass recompile coming up at some point..20:16
johnxfun fun20:16
Stskeepswe should have taken gconf2 along long ago20:16
johnxah, gronk20:17
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Stslaptopwtf @ danish news. man drives in SUV with a _bull_ on an attached wagon, other driver notices man is driving kinda like he's drunk, other driver alarms police, other driver gets him to pull over, driver and man gets in a fight, man suddenly walks out in the middle of the highway and gets hit by a car20:19
johnxit's news because that sort of thing doesn't happen all the time... right?20:20
Stslaptopstill, driving drunk in a SUV with a bull on an attached wagon, is kinda something.20:21
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kpelhi all20:30
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Stslaptopjohnx: heads up, repository might break quite badly right now20:50
Stslaptopas gconf2-6 compiled20:50
Stslaptop(on the other hand, we are more api compatible with maemo now.)20:51
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johnxfun fun :)20:55
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ssvbShadowJK: sorry, I was akf. Your benchmarks confirm that yuy2 is slow :) And also show that there is something wrong with yv12 in your configuration too21:03
ssvbShadowJK: what kind of video are you using for test? is there something special about its resolution?21:03
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ssvbShadowJK: then it's completely strange, there could be some problems with resolution (being not multiple of something), but multiple of 16 should be always fine21:08
ssvbShadowJK: do you test it in fullscreen? are you sure that no downscaling is involved?21:08
ShadowJKit's fullscreen and widescreen21:09
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ssvbShadowJK: please also try some other video21:09
ShadowJKYeah, on it now :-)21:10
lcukhiya ssvb :)21:10
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zakkmwhen i try to run flasher ( Gentoo amd64 ) using the amd64 flasher i get the error ./flasher-3.0.amd64: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'21:11
ssvbShadowJK: another problem could be with the top left corner alignment21:11
lcukzakkm, check you downloaded the proper flasher and not the html eual page as happens often21:11
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alteregoI've got so much junk I need to organise it's unreal.21:12
alteregoOh well. It can wait another day.21:12
Stslaptopjohnx: think i'll go to hell for substituting all libgconf2-4 (< 2.15)?21:13
ssvbShadowJK: this weird YUV420 format consists of 4x2 pixel macroblocks, if anything is not aligned, it could fail some checks and fallback to a slow YUY2 code in Xomap21:13
zakkmsame place i always get it from21:13
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Stslaptopzakkm: cat it.. is it a html page? ;)21:13
ssvblcuk: hi21:13
zakkmoh weird21:13
zakkmwhy? how? isnt it the right page21:13
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johnxyes. don't right click and save to disk21:14
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zakkmwhats the right download page then?21:14
johnxStslaptop, ehe, we're probably both going for some of the Mer stuff. see you there?21:14
lcukzakkm, if you havent actually entered your wifi ID onto the first page it always comes up and asks for it no matter what you try to download21:15
lcukyou have the right page, but your browser doesnt have a cookie or whatever it needs to say "yes this user has entered id21:15
zakkmdifferent browser?21:15
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johnxalso: left click to download21:16
lcukzakkm, go here first with same browser21:17
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lcukit asks for your WLAN id21:17
zakkmlcuk: sweet thanks :)21:18
lcuki believe all the files are then listed with proper download links21:18
zakkmwell it succeeded just using firefox and going to old page, it had a disclamier that way21:18
zakkmnow to get the new nitdroid kernel :)21:18
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JaffaAnyone know how to put multi-key shortcuts in X Terminal (e.g. ^A p)21:26
johnxsure, it's <ctrl>a I think21:26
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Jaffa...and the following char?21:27
JaffaI think I got the ctrl working21:27
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johnxa multi-key as in:21:28
JaffaA ha21:28
johnxyeah, no clue21:28
Jaffa'<ctrl>a p'21:28
johnxwell nice :)21:28
JaffaWish I could get rid of the hardcoded ctrl entry21:30
qwerty12_N800apt-get source osso-xterm :)21:31
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churl1hello all again, im having an issue with libhildonfm221:34
ShadowJKssvb, still seeing same pattern with another file21:34
ShadowJKI used this one
churl1im unable to update a few programs that use it.  app man. says that libhildonfm2 (>=1: is missing21:35
GAN8001churl1, update your OS. :)21:35
infobothmm... ssu is
churl1GAN8001: ok, this may sound silly, but how do i do that?21:36
churl1apt-get  update?21:36
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GAN8001Click a link. . . .21:36
churl1GAN8001: i have to flash?21:36
churl1ok, ill read it21:37
GAN8001churl1, depending on which version you're on.21:37
GAN8001But the links will tell you.21:37
alteregoDinner time.21:38
alteregoOoops ..21:38
lcukGAN800, is your beagle puppy still poorly in its box21:38
churl1im on os2008 4.2008.23-1421:38
infoboti guess ssu is
GAN800lcuk, yeah, it's up north.21:39
* alterego eats and sorts out his school/work bag for tomorrow :)21:41
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TrueJournals*sigh* Don't remind me of school tomorrow....21:42
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* Jaffa 's gonna have a fun day at work and's on the 0653 train in21:44
Stskeepsmm, 0725 bus here if i manage to get that early up21:45
Stskeepsgoing into work for the sole purpose of getting out of my apartment21:45
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TrueJournalsMethinks a freenode server reset...?21:58
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qwerty12_N800Server notice said rehubbing...21:59
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b-manMicroB just crashed because of this :)22:05
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Stskeepsmotherfuckers. someone broke into my basement22:19
Stskeepsnothing stolen though22:19
lcukdid they tidy up? if so, it was your mum22:19
lcukthats not good though really, how do you know they got in, and can you prevent it in future22:20
RST38hAmtrak Photo Contestant Arrested By Amtrak Police22:20
RST38hBTW, since when has it become illegal to take pictures of trains?22:20
RST38hSts: They must have left SOMETHING!22:21
lcukdepends if he climbed the fence, shimmied along the powerlines and cut away part of the signalling to get a better photo22:21
RST38hSts: A bomb. Or an alien egg. Or just some feces.22:21
RST38hlcuk: Not really, has been standing on the platform22:21
lcukfscking jobsworths22:22
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* RST38h had to go to Wiki to translate that =)22:23
lcukdear god, i thought qwerty was joking about my northern22:24
lcukbut whats worse is you are further north than me22:24
RST38hjust further east. or west, depending on which country you count.22:25
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lcukpetpeeve: source code files which do not state their utility in the header22:36
Jaffapetpeeve: developers working for me who do not *show* any utility22:38
lcukheh jaffa, the promotion getting to you already22:39
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lcukor are you talking about maemo developers :P22:39
Jaffathey were working for me pre-promotion; but now it's getting worse ;-)22:40
lcukmight i interest you in a stronger whip?22:40
Jaffauseful to persuade the higher ups that they may need more training ;-)22:41
lcukdoesnt sound unreasonable22:41
lcukcan i talk to the maemo mail client?22:42
lcukand push stuff into its outbox?22:42
lcukand vice versa22:43
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Jaffanot sure22:49
TrueJournalsHmmm... I just wrote a very small python daemon to watch for charger events and run scripts if the charger is connected or disconnected ;-)22:50
* qwerty12_N800 uses acmonitor + a few system() calls for that22:51
* TrueJournals likes my system better :-P22:51
qwerty12_N800hehe :P22:51
TrueJournalsJust drop scripts in /etc/acmon.d/connected.d/ or /etc/acmon.d/disconnected.d/22:51
qwerty12_N800ooh, that is a nice system indeed22:52
TrueJournalsMuch easier, no?22:52
qwerty12_N800Can't disagree with that :)22:52
TrueJournalsI think I'm going to write some connected and disconnected scripts to change the display backlight settings, and then try to package everything up22:53
TrueJournalsWhere did acmonitor store the settings?  I'd like to keep compatibility with its settings...22:54
lcukin the registry22:54
qwerty12_N800In gconf22:54
lcukerrr sorry, gconf ;)22:54
TrueJournalsHmm... I think I need to install acmonitor :-P22:54
* qwerty12_N800 beats lcuk up until the windows is out of him :p22:54
lcuklittle boys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :P22:55
lcukhows vista doing on yours?22:56
RST38hHe hasn't defenestrated it yet?22:56
qwerty12_N800Speed is decent, but it's been a week since I booted into it :p22:56
qwerty12_N800lcuk, there's ossoemailinterface but I don't think it is enough for what you wish to do22:57
lcuktheres tinymail, which if the default mail app uses it i should be able to as well22:58
lcukit seems to have the interfaces i need to send mail from22:58
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qwerty12_N800Making liqsecuritysystem? :p22:59
lcukno, thinking about my postcards :)22:59
qwerty12_N800nice :)22:59
lcukim tempted to see if a real service could be setup23:00
* GAN8001 still wants his goddamn refund23:00
lcukwhere you take a photo, write the postcard and address and have real postcard sent23:00
lcukthe only problem there would be the postmark, thats half the appeal of postcards :)23:01
lcukbut anyway, sending by email will be a good first step :)23:02
`0660lcuk, are you planning to reimplement mms messages? :)23:03
lcuknot at all gan, i just like natural handwriting.  you can see emotion and passion and human feeling by looking at how a message is written23:05
lcuksomething lost when converted to lucida console or whatever23:05
`0660ok. that's something new :)23:06
lcuk`0660, ? not really ive wanted to do it for ages, i keep getting stuck on technical issues23:07
qwerty12_N800but then it makes it useless for ransom notes :(23:07
lcukno it doesnt :)23:08
lcuki still use random notes all the time and do not see that going anywhere23:08
lcukbut simply after a photo is taken you can turn it into a postcard23:08
`0660he said ransom :)23:08
lcukor one of another few things23:08
qwerty12_N800I meant ransom as in ransom, not random :p23:08
lcukqwerty12_N800, you could use my handwriting font and use different letters from different people ;)23:09
qwerty12_N800lcuk, brilliant plan! I can have the police looking up north when I get caught :p23:10
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qwerty12_N800rather, when they look for the person23:11
* qwerty12_N800 is having a blonde day :)23:11
lcukso you are feeling same as usual then :P23:12
qwerty12_N800yeah, pretty much :p23:12
lcukanyway, now i have the core liqbase stuff pushed away and kinda encapsulated in a library i might get on and do the other stuff i need ontop of it23:13
lcukback in a bit23:14
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Stskeepsit sucks living in an old dorm where it seems like fuckers can unscrew the bloody handle to get in23:15
Stskeepsnow it's gently provided with a good old fashioned steel wire lock23:16
Proteouselectrified door handles FTW23:16
Proteouspeople might wonder about the puddle of water in front of your door though23:17
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, has that router come back online yet?23:17
TrueJournalsAlright...  this seems to work... except if you're using the advanced backlight applet...23:17
Proteousas more and more people try to get in, the puddle starts to smell like pee23:18
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: no sadly23:18
qwerty12_N800damn :(23:19
Stskeepsthey prolly gave up after it didnt work first time23:19
Stskeeps(and not noticing there is actually a harddisk inside it :P23:19
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GAN8001TrueJournals, why not provide a patch for adv-backlight? :)23:23
GAN8001Since it's pretty safe to assume a lot of your potential userbase will be.23:23
TrueJournalsGAN8001: I'd like to make it more expandable than that...  An easy way for devs to do ANYTHING when the charger is connected or disconnected23:25
TrueJournalsBesides, advanced backlight is in C, and... I don't really know C :-\23:25
* Stslaptop wouldn't mind seeing a generic event framework that is more sane than powerlaunch23:26
GAN8001Well, at the very least, get with rm_you to make sure it works.23:26
TrueJournalsYeah, I'm trying to hack around with changing the gconf values for now, but somethings just not working right...23:27
qwerty12_N800To change the backlight?23:28
Stslaptoptalk to dsme23:28
TrueJournalsWell, it's acting very.. strange...23:28
TrueJournalsThe advanced backlight applet doesn't seem to live-update its gconf value23:29
qwerty12_N800It's a bug fixed in the trunk version23:29
TrueJournalsWell working with non-trunk will be very difficult then :-P23:29
qwerty12_N800it'll actually save the setting if you just open its setting window + press ok23:30
TrueJournalsYeah, I noticed that23:30
TrueJournalsAlso, the GUI doesn't seem to change if I update the gconf value23:30
TrueJournalsIs that also fixed in trunk?23:30
lcukits not really a problem is it?23:30
lcuksince the gui isnt normally on screen23:31
qwerty12_N800i'm not sure23:31
lcukor do you mean the icon23:31
TrueJournalslcuk: It really is... the icon doesn't update to display the different level23:31
TrueJournalsPlus, if you then open the gui, it still shows the old level, instead of the updated one23:31
TrueJournalsWhich is confusing, to say the least23:31
lcukyes, thats a bug then, i thought you meant live whilst GUI is open, not the indicator icon - i thought that would update naturally anyway23:32
lcukso yeah, that sounds like a bug23:32
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TrueJournalsAnyone in a dev environment want to build the advanced backlight trunk for me? :-P23:33
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qwerty12_N800I'm running it but i don't think i have the space to install dpkg-dev so I can dpkg-repack :/23:34
lcuk"Ancient spirits of evil, transform this decayed form to Jott, the Ever-Living!”23:34
lcukjott, we need you to rise up and build the trunk of abl ;)23:34
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LinuxCodelcuk, who are you to ask for godly powers to assist you in your quest!23:39
LinuxCodeExplain or be damned to hell forever!23:39
LinuxCodeohh and good evening mate23:40
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Stslaptopevening cyrus__23:42
cyrus__What GPS unit does the N810 have and where can I find the driver for it?23:42
lcukLinuxCode, Mumm-ra from thundercats, or by his irc nickname, jott23:44
LinuxCodeyou old hacker you!23:44
LinuxCodecyrus__, i believe is proprietary23:44
Stslaptopyeah, it is23:45
GrackleDECIMATE, MAIM23:45
StskeepsRST38h: love affair with the 68000 over?23:45
LinuxCodeRST38h, thats what should happen to all non-FOSS drivers yeah23:45
RST38hcyris: N810 has got a 5300 AGPS chip from Texas Instruments. It has got two I2C serial connections to the host system.23:45
RST38hcyrus: Feeling better now?23:45
RST38hGrackle: But RAPE FIRST.23:45
Stskeepsdid anyone actually try reverse engineering it? :P23:46
RST38hSts: Why? I think it uses pretty obvious protocols to talk to the host23:46
qwerty12_N800is it even worth the time? :p23:46
Stskeepstypical GPS protocol? :P23:46
RST38hSts: Won't be of much help though23:46
Stskeepsyeah, it'd still suck? :P23:48
RST38h'm afraid so23:48
ssvbShadowJK: I can finally confirm the Xv performance problem with the latest updates of both diablo and mplayer23:49
Stskeepsdidn't they add some new stuff in Xomap though, in latest SSU?23:50
ShadowJKsupposedly optimizations ;-)23:50
ssvbShadowJK: but built-in player runs fine and uses accelerated color conversion function23:50
ShadowJKOddly enough I find mplayer runs better23:51
ShadowJKwith -vo omapfb23:51
ShadowJKbuilt-in player needs a strange amount of time to switch back and forth between fullscreen23:51
ssvbShadowJK: that's a problem of mplayer, using Xv suboptimally :) Or more like now workaround stopped working in mplayer23:53
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ssvbShadowJK: probably Xomap now has a bit more strict alignment/size checks which fail for mplayer, I'm going to see what can be done23:54
ShadowJKssvb, that bug report seems to imply that you cant't get full performance unless you fullscreen ignoring aspect?23:54
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ShadowJKor encode with black borders to get an image that covers the entire screen?23:54
ssvbShadowJK: the idea is that Xv with direct rendering should have comparable performance to omapfb output23:54
ssvbShadowJK: no, just read a bit more carefully :)23:55
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ssvbShadowJK: as I said, that weird color format has 4x2 pixels granularity, and yuy2 has only 2x1 granularity23:55
ShadowJKI don't think you get direct to hw even with -dr23:56
ssvbShadowJK: that means if you try to scale or position video overlay on screen, you mush make sure that te top left corner is properly aligned and the size is also multiple of something23:56
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TrueJournalsHmm... well... I'm doing something wrong, but I've stared at my code too long to figure out what23:57
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ssvbShadowJK: -dr does not provide direct access to hw23:57
TrueJournalsIf anyone wants to look at/play around with it --
ssvbShadowJK: it just gets rid of extra memcpy operation23:57
ShadowJKisn't that just a codec -> vo memcpy?23:57
ShadowJKnot that I remember very well23:58
ssvbShadowJK: there is no point accessing framebuffer directly for video just because hw does not support planar yv12 format23:58
TrueJournalsI have a feeling my asynchronous execution in python isn't working as it should, but I'm not sure how to fix it :-\23:58
ShadowJKmust ask dalias in #mplayerdev when he appears about it :-)23:58
ssvbShadowJK: about what?23:59
ssvbShadowJK: does he know anything about maemo port?23:59
ShadowJKwhat -dr in mplayer does23:59

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