IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-01-03

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alteregoHmm, so it registers with OSSO correctly, but it still dies after a minute or so.00:02
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nikolayes, all other apps work correctly00:03
lcukdoes your desktop specify the osso bit and have you got a service file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.maemo.liqbase.service00:04
* lcuk raises an eyebrow @ nikola00:04
nikolarunning any X app using ssh will work fine00:04
nikolaalso starting hildon-desktop with /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop works as weel00:04
lcukhow do i shutdown dresktop just for this session?00:04
nikolarun /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop00:06
lcukooooOOOoooh indeed, but totally OTT, i cant bring back my apps ;)00:07
nikola;) that's true00:07
qwerty12_N800nikola, hd can be anal retentive with desktop plugins to. I once installed an applet and hd would stay white. Tried moving the folder /home/user/.osso/hildon-desktop?00:07
nikolayou running an ssh session?00:07
qwerty12_N800lcuk, ssh or edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml to enable the option to let you run an xterm. clunky but works.00:08
lcukyeah nikola, im only perking now because of this from this morning, but its merely academic00:08
lcukqwerty12_N800, thats the core base desktop thats always there?00:09
qwerty12_N800lcuk, i'm referring to ways to get an shell so you can start hildon desktop00:09
lcukhildon apps still expect hildon bits there and look wrong when theres no applets to put in titlebar00:09
lcukive got ssh00:09
lcukor i can just reboot00:10
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qwerty12_N800rebooting is slow :)00:10
lcukwicked how it comes back00:10
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lcuk/etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start worked00:10
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nikolayeah, that's why i don't get why it's not working on startup00:11
lcuki never knew that before :) thanks for the hints nikola, still not sure how to fix your actual problem though00:11
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nikolai just reflashed the device...gonna do a diff on /etc before and after running update-rc.d00:11
nikolato see if anything else changes00:11
lcukalterego, :$ whats wrong with using the maemo repositories by the way?00:14
alteregolcuk: I don't have access.00:15
alteregoAs soon as I get access to extras they'll be moved there.00:15
lcuktemporary, or on principle that its ruby?00:15
lcuk:D heh good00:15
qwerty12_N800alterego, btw, metasploit doesn't like your ruby :P00:15
alteregoWhat's metasploit?00:16
qwerty12_N800~wikipedia metasploit00:16
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox_Software |name = Metasploit Framework |logo = |caption = "Point. Click. Root." |screenshot = |developer = Metasploit LLC |latest_release_version = 3.2 |latest_release_date = {{release date and age|2008|11|19}} |operating_system = Cross-platform |status = Active |genre = Security |license = BSD |website = [] }} The 'Metasploit ...00:17
alteregoWhy doesn't it like my ruby?00:17
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lcuki think hes joking00:18
qwerty12_N800it complains about many bugs being in the ruby interpreter and then quits withdrawa bunch of ruby errors. Pierre's version works, I'll get you a log tomorrow00:18
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, I'm not.00:18
lcukoooh no00:18
qwerty12_N800fkn text prediction00:19
alteregoI don't get it. Does it run on ruby?00:19
qwerty12_N800Yep, uses ruby.00:19
lcukqwerty12_N800, your knowledge and pie dipping astounds me more and more00:20
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* alterego gives up.00:21
qwerty12_N800lcuk, not really, I followed a guide on setting it up but tried alterego's ruby version instead :)00:21
alteregoWhich version?00:22
nikolaaha!  after doing a diff on / seems hildon-dekstop is S51, K20...whereas the defaults make it S20, K2000:22
qwerty12_N800alterego, the current one in your repo00:22
alteregoWhat version and package of metasploit did you use?00:23
alteregoHmm, starting to feel hungry now.00:23
qwerty12_N800alterego, 3.2 - the current version, it's distributed as a tarball00:24
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lcuknikola, excellent, at least you know now00:25
alteregoIs that the "lite" version qwerty12_N800?00:26
* alterego orders a takeaway00:26
qwerty12_N800alterego, the full version00:26
alteregosh*t .. Too late for a takeaway! :(00:26
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nikolajust rebooted.  she works now00:27
KamikaziFreakDoes anyone know of a way to get xterm to have a sidebar instead of a bottom-bar on os2008?  Why the heck did that get moved?00:28
lcuki assume cos they added a keyboard and it makes sense to keep the clickable actions near your fingers..00:29
KamikaziFreakBut for the N800, it just makes your terminal even shorter.00:30
alteregoActually, it's not too late! :D00:30
lcukalterego, anything is possible if you start the phone conversation with "sudo.."00:30
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penner_9090_alle die 100.000euro wollen klicken00:31
KamikaziFreakI was looking in to a script to make os2007 packages useable on os2008, but I'm still not able to install them.00:31
Disconnectspammer, sigh00:31
qwerty12_N800KamikaziFreak, there's some older versions of osso-xterm for os2008 somewhere with tabs and the bar on the side by fiferboy I think00:31
penner_9090_oll klicken00:31
lcukpenner_9090_, i believe thats called spamming00:31
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lcukbut i cant be sure00:31
penner_9090_oll klciken00:32
tomawdid penner_9090_ just spam some url here?00:32
tomawI'll take that as a yes00:32
lcuki believe he did00:32
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alteregoChicken Tikka Bhuna, Nan bread, Special rice .. DONE00:34
alteregoThat was my best Gordon impression.00:34
lcukE: couldn't delivery food to ruby developer00:34
alteregoThe worst part is I'm going to have to wait about 40 minutes for food O_O00:35
lcukthe worst part is when you have to ring back00:35
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lcuk"why haven't you delivered my food"   "the driver has been out for the last 25 minutes, hang on ill find out"00:35
alteregoInteresting, I've set the fully qualified application name to osso_initialize and it starts working properly O_O00:35
lcukand you get warm plasticbagsweaty soggy naan00:36
alterego"He's eaten your food!" .. "Thank you, come again!"00:36
alteregoOkay, so my base code now registers with OSSO and handles fullscreen button pressed :)00:36
alteregoNext to map all of the aux keys.00:37
* alterego is developing MoR (Maemo on Rails) ^_^00:37
alteregoIt's going to be the next big thing in mobile space development platforms.00:38
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KamikaziFreakqwerty12_N800, thank you.  I got it installed.  The buttons look horrible (hopefully that's a theme issue that'll fix itself somehow), but at least they're in a more practical area.00:42
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ThatOneGuyCan anyone help me with installing maemo sdk? I keep getting dependency errors when I try to do 'fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit'00:58
alteregoIt has arrived!01:02
ThatOneGuyoh know!01:02
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ThatOneGuynoone can help me?01:05
alteregoGo through it again,01:07
ThatOneGuythe entire installation?01:12
alteregoNo just delete the targets and try again01:14
alteregoActually, have you tried "apt-get update"?01:15
ThatOneGuyseveral time lol01:15
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alteregoCan you your /etc/apt/sources.list in target please :)01:15
ThatOneGuycan I what? lol01:17
alteregoIn the development target: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and then paste it to pastie.org01:18
ThatOneGuyoh, gotcha01:18
alteregoBora ? Old school :P01:20
ThatOneGuyyes yes lol01:20
ThatOneGuyI think that's what I want at least. 770 with os2007he01:21
ThatOneGuyI think I just fixed it 0.o01:24
alteregoWell, I dunno :/01:24
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ThatOneGuyI changed the last line in my sources to 3.2 instead of 3.0 lol01:25
ThatOneGuythanks for the help anyway01:26
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qwerty12_N800Well, jott's actually alive...01:38
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lcukqwerty12_N800, how do you know01:52
qwerty12_N800lcuk, guy said on itt that outpost & sse2 have been updated (rotation) for latest ssu and he's right01:53
lcukghosts in the system01:54
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MakeGhoIs it possible to get a bt mouse to work on n810? I'd need some way to create an external device for clicking a button on a web page ;)02:11
MakeGhoTransforming my n810 into a chess timer for sure.02:11
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Ulysses222forgot who ask but you can remove or add sidebar and bottom scrolling with gconf settings02:18
Ulysses222in xterminal02:18
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robinkAnyone know if the only compiler for the TI DSP used in the OMAP (the TMS320s) is TI's?03:17
* robink misses lardman03:21
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* alterego wonders how to access the GPS.03:25
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alteregoHeh, done it :)03:38
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alteregoNow to pass the NMEA data.03:44
alteregoErm .. ~parse ;)03:44
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pupnikwhat is NMEA alterego ?03:52
alteregoNational Marine Electronics Association03:52
alteregoIt's the format that GPS's generally communicate to other devices with.03:53
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alteregoIf you've got your N810 handy, open a terminal do 'cat /dev/pgps' then start nokia maps and you'll see it.03:53
pupnikis there a c library that does it?03:53
alteregoIt's quite a simple protocol :)03:53
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alteregoAlmost certainly, I thought it'd be fun to write my own ruby implementation though :)03:54
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pupnikyes it would04:02
pupnikthen we'll make a quick and dirty pac man game04:02
pupnikwith the gps04:02
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pupnikto play in parking lots04:03
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sanchiiihi there04:05
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b-man(random information) - merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb successfuly built. - now hopfully everyone can install mer now :)04:05
sanchiiican someone explain me a (probably stupid) thing in python setuptools?04:06
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sanchiiihow can I set data_files and script_files easily without specifying them all separately when I use python setuptools and bdist_maemo?04:09
sanchiiie.g. if i have a python lib which is using setuptools, python bdist_dumb works fine, but python bdist_maemo is does not.04:11
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sanchiiiPING 123094877604:12
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born2wonder_N810hey every1. any updates on where to get mer to test?04:17
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b-mani've just built a deb for the merinstaller :)04:18
born2wonder_N810thank you! is it available in the feeds or go  i wget it from somewhere04:19
b-mani'll have to upload it, just a sec...04:20
lcukb-man, will this destroy my tablet contents or are there any other strange things i should watch out for04:21
b-manna, it's safe :)04:21
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b-maneven though it's a beta1 build04:22
born2wonder_N810thank you so much!04:22
b-manlet me know if you have problems - fsdisk has a tendency to not load partition tables.04:23
b-manedit; sfdisk ;p04:23
born2wonder_N810i will update you with how the install goes soon (hopefully)04:24
b-manok :)04:24
b-manalso, that rapidshare mirror is only temporary - you can only download 10 times :p04:25
b-manso i'll send it to stskeeps ;)04:26
born2wonder_N810glad i got mine :p04:26
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lcukb-man, for your sanity, please warn people on the installer/descriptions this is destructive to a memory card.  nothing else they install currently has the capability to wipe out everything on there04:28
b-manit does have a warning at installer startup.04:29
b-manin xterm04:29
b-manbut i shuld add it to the discription in the deb.04:30
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born2wonder_N810almost done backing up04:32
lcukb-man, very cool though :) impressed that you have an actual installer and are selecting memory cards and stuff04:32
b-manthanks :)04:32
lcukwould be handy to create a simple version to just do boot from mmc04:32
b-manit does; simple install option and refresh_bootmenu.d :)04:33
lcukits always been just too many ancient incantations and risk of cocking up thats prevented me from havin a go04:33
b-manin simpler terms, you don't trust my installer just yet. i understand :)04:35
lcukno, i meant the boot from mmc thing04:36
lcuki do *all* liqbase dev work directly on my only insertable mmc04:36
lcuktheres no way in hell anything is going near that, but i imagine if my luke got hold of it i would lose it all04:36
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lcukhence the warnings, theres nothing out there easily accessible which is interested in vaping the mmc, theres a lot of buzz about mer04:38
lcukas b-man, you see its not you specifically, i applaud your efforts and think your script is 100% along the right lines04:39
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alteregoI really need to get into a good sleeping pattern for work on Monday.04:40
b-manborn2wonder_N810, how are things going?04:40
born2wonder_N810just had to move some thing from my memory card. didnt start yet04:41
b-manif you chose advancde install, don't use fsdisk - it has issues ;)04:42
born2wonder_N810thnx, ill keep that in mind04:43
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lcukgtk, does it do its rendering over the normal x11 drawing interface, ie using x11 remoting does gtk go through it?04:45
b-manit uses gxmessage and zenity ;)04:45
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lcuki meant gtk itself :P04:46
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b-manit does it's rendering over x11 and sends messages va numbers. e.g. 1,2,3.04:48
b-manwith case and if,then,else.04:48
born2wonder_N810b-man; im going to partition my external memory card through cfdisk in maemo. i will create a root ext3 partition and a swap one and maybe some fat partition as well.  i wanna know if i have to put them in some specific order or the installed will let m choose?04:49
b-manif you chose advancde installer, it will let you chose your partition layout.04:50
born2wonder_N810thnx, coz i prefer manually doing it.04:50
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born2wonder_N810its not really more painfull or more work to me, i enjoy it04:52
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b-manoh f*ck, stop!!!! i did not include partitions.lst!!!04:55
b-manhold on04:55
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b-manedit; never mind, it's there, phwe. :p04:56
lcukb-man, open the window a bit, and perhaps its best if you change your underwear04:57
b-manhehe, i'm just a little jumpy because this is the first deb.04:58
* b-man being too careful ;)04:59
b-manwow, i did not know i could doo that in irc 0_o05:00
b-manwith /me05:00
alteregoI thought it would be nice to write a small desktop applet that showed GPS information05:02
AStormnew to this whole interne stuff, eh?05:02
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alteregoNice little exercise for experimenting with ruby-maemo development.05:02
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b-manborn2wonder_n810; what's the status?05:13
born2wonder_N810yah , just had to fix my apt-get05:14
born2wonder_N810done with that05:14
born2wonder_N810apt-get problems sometimes get very annoying05:15
b-mandepenency issues?05:15
born2wonder_N810yah, solved most now down to adblock05:16
born2wonder_N810have to edit to commet a line in its postrm script05:17
* b-man is pondering on how he can fix the xserver-xorg/vertual-keyboard issue in Ubuntu05:25
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alteregoNOLOCK lat: 0.000000 lon: 0.000000 alt: 0.00000005:30
alteregoUseful .. ^_^05:30
AStormrip out starmap code from maemo-mapper05:31
AStormnow that's nice05:31
alteregoWhy? I've wrote my parser now :P05:31
alteregoIt's in Ruby too :P05:31
AStormparser for what?05:31
AStormso draw the starmap :)05:31
alteregoAh, right. I was going to do that.05:32
* b-man decided that it is a good time to start writing a tortal for installing ubuntu on the tablets.05:32
alteregoIt is a good time. DO IT NOW!05:32
b-manheh, ok05:33
alteregoWell, appearantly there are 8 satellites in view. Though that's the maximum the chip can handle.05:33
alteregoNow to write something that can plot azimuth and elevation onto a nice circle.05:34
AStormchip can handle 1105:34
b-manif born2wonder_n810 shows up, tell him i'll be back in a while ;)05:34
alteregoThat's not what I'm seeing.05:34
AStormand I sometimes see as much05:34
AStormprobably not that many in view right now :)05:35
alterego11 .. Odd number.05:35
alteregoIt's 3:30am I'm in the bath, and I'm hacking a GPS program. This is the life :)05:36
AStormbetter than 43 of others :P05:36
lcukis it simply accepted that gtk is not the fastest tool in the book05:36
alteregoNo, not the fastest, but performance to weight ratio is good :P05:36
AStormfltk's better at that05:37
alteregoGtk is awesome ..05:37
* alterego hugs Gtk.05:37
alteregoBit of a pig if you're not using a high level language though.05:37
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AStormit is extremely paining05:38
lcuki come from vb, i think in c - im kinda used to (dare i say it) speed with my core widgets05:38
alteregoGtk is easy as pie in Ruby05:38
AStormalterego, it's too low level at times05:38
AStormyou haven't done any fun stuff with it then05:38
lcukAStorm, i dont mind low level - i expect to do that for performance05:38
alteregoExcept Gtk::TreeView, that boggles the mind no matter what language you use.05:39
AStormit's just enforced MVC05:39
AStormlike in stupid swing05:39
alteregoI know what it is ..05:40
lcukok, next question - can i poke an xv window through a widget sized hole if i had to?05:41
AStormeven opengl05:41
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lcukim thinking throw away 50% of my code by simply using gtk, but keep the things which need speed (sketching/bookreader/graffitiwall)05:42
lcukoh crap, that still doesnt work because i would still need to keep my tile class to handle the graffiti sketches05:43
alteregolcuk: I'll be interested to see how your software evolves with hardware accelerated graphics ;)05:43
alteregoThat is if you plan on obtaining the next tablet.05:43
lcukalterego, in lieu of an omap3, i ported and compiled liqbase 0.1.5 to a pentium m tablet pc running enforced in powersave mode at 798mhz and screen res 1024*76805:45
lcukit runs like a dream05:45
alteregoI meant bringing in the 3D eye candy :P05:45
lcuktell me where i need eye candy :) i seem to have done pretty well so far05:45
AStorm3D is useless :)05:46
AStormwe need compositing instead05:47
lcukwe have never needed 3d for presentation and in many ways gets in the way.  opengl hardware accel will be utilised for texture rendering and glitz effects rather than for 3d05:47
AStormand for Quake :P05:47
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lcukgaming is different though :P UT ftw!05:48
alteregoWith OGL and S-Video out, I'm going to hook up a wii mote and have some serious fun O_O05:48
lcukactually, nowadays its Portal!05:48
AStormcrysis? call of duty?05:48
lcuknahh not for me05:49
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johnxmornin' all05:49
johnxvery good taste in games sir :)05:49
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lcuki want new tablet for the camera, i want to snap a pic and write a message on the back05:49
lcukif i could get this n800 flashed i would feel better05:50
johnxthat would be kind of a neat interface. Do JPEGs have a "Notes" or "Comments" field?05:50
lcuki could model the UI05:50
AStormEXIF has05:50
johnxah, right05:50
johnxwas forgetting the name05:50
lcukyeah and as part of the flickr api you can send up tags and notes05:51
johnxI can imagine a really slick 3D UI for it too05:51
lcukdamn tags05:51
johnxtags are awesome :P05:51
lcukno, i keep thinking about the file format for liqbase tagging05:52
johnxah, ok05:52
AStormjohnx, no, cubes are bling05:53
born2wonder_N810b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu05:53
AStormand usability nightmare05:53
johnxAStorm, not cubes. just touch the corner of the pic, it flips and on the reverse side are your notes05:53
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AStormwhat do you need 3D for?05:54
johnxlcuk, have you tried f-spot on linux? I thought it had a pretty nice interface for tagging photos05:54
johnxAStorm, to make it look snazzy while flipping. it only needs to be an optional dependency05:54
AStormyou can do that in 2D05:55
AStormwolfenstein 3D did that05:55
johnxok, snazyy, not retro :P05:55
alteregoI'm going to write a snazzy 3D satellite view.05:55
AStormstill snazzy05:55
AStormalterego, hehe05:55
alteregoMaybe something in a similar vein to the Elite scanner ^_^05:55
AStormjohnx, I mean, you don't need hardware accel for that05:56
lcukjohnx, just looking now - same problem there as with anything desktop, the ui is too complex for smallscreen05:56
lcuki think ive got it right05:56
johnxAStorm, prove it to me. code it up :D muahaha05:56
lcukbut i was in a code freeze05:56
lcukon the branch i couldv tried it on05:56
AStormjohnx, sorry, unless you pay for it05:56
johnxlcuk, right, but the tagging interface. drag your most used tags from the bar on the left to a photo or a selection of photos05:57
lcukwhich phone has the gps radar?05:57
* AStorm is a greedy bastard05:57
lcukyeah i think i posted something similar05:57
alteregoGPS radar?05:57
alteregoThat sounds kind of cool ^_^05:57
AStormsee, the next Nokia device can't pay for itself05:57
AStormmeh, radar?05:57
AStormit's not a radar, but a normal radio05:57
AStormsame as the one we have in n810, but less sucky05:58
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alteregoWhat are you talking about AStorm?05:58
alteregoYou mean a GPS receiver?05:59
alteregoI don't think that's what lcuk was talking about.05:59
lcukjohnx, theres the other problem of people wanting to keep visual tags as well as textual ones, but thats a bit easier to overcome05:59
* alterego was thinking about a satellite view that looked like a stereotypical radar screen ..05:59
lcukyeah me too06:00
AStormmeh, ui06:01
johnxlcuk, the f-spot UI had that dealt with as well. you could associate an "emblem" with a tag06:01
lcukyeah, like i can in liqbase ;) easier06:01
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johnxlcuk, but yes, that sounds like an awesome program for taking pics, tagging and uploading, inside one app :)06:02
AStormlcuk, ah, and improve scribbling06:02
AStormmake it multipage with smooth scrolling06:02
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lcukwhats wrong with scribbling06:02
orificeare there any midi tracking apps for maemo ?  I did a quick search but only one thread came up on ITT and there weren't any results06:03
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AStormthat xournal has it done better :>06:03
AStorm(except its file format, which sucks06:03
AStormand that it loads all pages at once)06:04
lcukok, a bit slower, whats wrong with scribbling - speed thickness options priority?  its a simple pen based tool at present06:05
AStormapart from hard pages, nothing06:05
lcukfile format, which sucks mine or xournal?  tell me what you would like06:05
AStormxournal's sucks06:05
lcukahh pdf, mines worse - at least xournal is documented06:06
AStormand I'd love to have easy smooth page switching06:06
lcukill add svg output to this one06:06
* alterego doesn't think AStorm likes a anything.06:06
AStormnot pdf06:06
AStormit can export to pdf06:06
AStormdefault temp format is something other06:06
AStormand esp. xournal's handling of it06:06
alterego4am and I'm still in the bath coding O_O06:07
lcukjohnx, ill look more carefully tomorrow, theres a reason you are mentioning ill find out why06:07
AStormWaterproof n810? gimme :)06:07
alteregoLaptop actually :P06:07
alteregoNot really water proof, I do worry about the humidity ..06:08
lcukdoes it have a floating point processor? or did it sink06:08
johnxlcuk, no rush :) it mostly has a good workflow and I could imagine it working well on a tablet with most of the features cut out :)06:08
lcukwell ill dig into it properly06:08
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alterego$PNOKU .. That looks like a Nokia proprietary sentence06:09
born2wonder_srry got d/c so i will ask again. does any1 know where to get the bootmenu that is required as a dependency by the mer deb installer06:09
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johnxborn2wonder, one sec06:11
alteregoHeh "magnetic variation" ^_^06:11
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johnxborn2wonder, it might be simplest to install the "deblet installer" from here:
johnxthat won't install deblet, just the installer for it06:14
johnxthen you will have bootmenu and anything it depends on06:14
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born2wonder_yah google was returning deblet results. well easy enough solution thank you. yah i aware about the installer , i had deblet b4.06:15
johnxah, ok. :) just wanted to prevent confusion06:15
lcukheres the b-man himself, he could tell you06:15
born2wonder_appreciated :)06:15
b-manheh, hello06:15
lcukb-man, how do you recover data off an mmc after ...   only joking, easy one for you06:16
johnxah, the wonderful world of data recovery06:17
b-manam i missing something here?06:17
lcuk<born2wonder_N810> b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu06:17
b-manyou need to add the deblet repo.06:18
* alterego tests his console based GPS logger.06:19
alterego11 satellites already :)06:19
lcukb-man, hes just gone to do that - note as part of install instructions or before starting?06:19
alteregoWoo! It's got a lock ^_^06:21
alteregoLOOK AT THAT DATA!06:21
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alteregoIn theory, if I shift the decimal point two places, I should be able to input the lat/lon straight into google maps.06:22
AStormmapper does that :P06:24
b-manjohnx, could you help with this? When ever i try to type anything with xkbd or matchbox-keyboard, my ubuntu desktop keeps restarting. i think it has somthing to do with xorg not being able to find system keymaps. could you help?06:24
alteregoI'm sure it does lots of things. That's really not interesting.06:25
alteregoThis is written in Ruby, which means it's infinitely better :P06:25
* alterego chuckles.06:25
johnxb-man, let's see. I think you need more stuff from mer :) let me find the package name06:25
lcukgnite fellas :) have fun06:26
johnx'night lcuk06:26
b-mansee you tomorrow lcuk06:26
cars__Happy New Year, #maemo!06:27
b-manhappy new year to you too06:27
johnxhappy new year's cars__ :)06:27
alteregoHappy New Year .. Though I'm back at work on Monday O_O06:28
alteregoAfter four weeks it's going to be a bit weird going back ^_^06:28
b-mani'm back in school monday :P06:28
* b-man growns06:28
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b-manjohnx, find it yet? :)06:30
johnxshould be hal- something06:30
* b-man looks in mer repo06:31
cars__My N810 is like a new machine with all the gobs of space I have thanks to the clone to SD and Debian.06:32
AStormand then your SD will die06:32
AStormand you can't switch cards06:32
johnxcars__, just make sure to backup your filesystem on sd :)06:33
johnxAStorm, nah, haven't had that issue much with reliable cards06:33
AStormwith switching a cardin use?06:33
alteregoInteresteing, I never created virtual memory after the last reflash O_O06:34
johnxhuh, nah, cards dying. and I can switch cards in the external slot just fine while booted to internal :P06:34
Vulcanismmc2 is internal, right?06:35
alteregohighly confusing.06:36
johnxyes. it is.06:36
cars__the only thing is the SD boot doesn't seem to touch the swap partition I made for it.06:37
johnxmmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc106:37
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b-manjohnx; no luck in finding enything with hal* :(06:38
johnxhang, on. booting into mer06:38
AStormjohnx, n810 :P06:38
johnxAStorm, so what? :P06:39
AStorm1 slot only06:39
johnxno, he can't swap cards. my first point is still valid06:39
johnxand it does make recovery from a bad package reboot loop worlds easier06:39
AStormnot than a nice initfs06:40
johnxAStorm, so you think hacking around on the command line is easier than just restoring from a nightly rsync or tar.gz ?06:40
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AStormuse it :)06:41
johnxdropbear for initfs doesn't have it06:41
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AStormit does support scp at least06:41
johnxI'd like to see someone else try and restore their rootfs from a backup that way *first* before I trusted it06:42
* johnx will just be happy moving my $HOME off of /06:42
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johnxI mean, will scp handle /dev entries correctly? what about symlinks and hardlinks?06:46
AStormsymlinks... hmm06:48
AStormno, it can't do symlinks and hardlinks06:48
AStormbut you can send a tarball with it06:48
johnxrsync in a card reader will always be easier06:48
b-manjohnx, have you found it yet??? :)06:51
johnxb-man, no I haven't!!! :)06:51
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b-manwelcome back born2wonder06:52
johnxb-man, I'm not even 100% sure it works on mer actually06:54
b-manit did when i first installed mer...06:55
b-manunless stskeeps changed something...06:56
johnxsorry, b-man, no idea right now06:59
b-manok :( :( :(06:59
* b-man goes nutz07:00
GAN800igor's comment is a bit depressing.07:00
johnxb-man, why not base this on mer instead of ubuntu?07:01
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b-manbecause mer uses an ubuntu base? :)07:02
johnxyes, and it has all the tablet hardware nicely working07:02
johnxinstead of trying to hack things out of mer into vanilla ubuntu07:02
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alteregoDamn American date format O_O07:03
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johnxahaha....awesome isn't it alterego? though I prefer year-month-day-hours-minutes-etc in UTC07:03
johnxmakes for better file names07:03
alteregoMe too ..07:04
alteregoMe too ..07:04
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GAN800Woo, I broke MicroB again!07:05
b-mandouble post :)07:06
b-manmabe i will contact stskeeps on how he got the keyboard working correctly tomorrow...07:06
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andrewfblackHey I'm working one something for tablets using javascript is it possible to make a installer for a html file that will give you a menu shortcut for the file?07:08
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alteregoHmm, I think it's definitely bed time .. (05:00)07:09
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* GAN800 also broke Maemo07:09
johnxandrewfblack, yes, should be. you can package plain html files in a deb no problem and to launch it send a command to the browser with dbus07:09
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andrewfblackjohnx thanks07:11
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fauxmightHey guys, where do I look to get a mer image and a brief what-to-do-with-it doc? (Google's not being my friend today.)08:24
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johnxfauxmight, one sec, let me find it08:25
fauxmightthanks johnx (if you remember helping me out with the gentoo project, I'm normally christendoc)08:25
johnxah, yeah, the gentoo guy :)08:26
fauxmightmany thanks.08:27
johnxhopefully soon, I'll get some stuff wrangled and that'll be 0.5 :)08:27
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johnnyjohnjohnhas anyone ever heard of an iphone theme for maemo?08:48
johnxsomeone was working on a launcher that looks like an iphone for a while08:48
johnxcalled itablet I think08:48
johnxnot sure if it works in the latest OS08:48
johnxand there was a keyboard demo that looked like an iphone as well08:49
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johnnyjohnjohnthanks johnx08:49
johnnyjohnjohnhave you heard of any projects working on new themes?08:49
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johnxare you thinking about trying to make a them?08:50
johnxStskeeps, where would hildon-desktop-env = 0.1-mer5 be found? is it in a bzr repo somewhere?09:02
johnnyjohnjohnyeah, I'd like to make a theme09:04
johnnyjohnjohnat the moment I'm just looking at what themes have been designed for maemo and other open source mobile platforms09:05
johnxtheme-maker will help you09:05
johnxAlso, just a note: There are some people who feel pretty strongly about the iPhone, so just be ready for that :)09:05
johnnyjohnjohnyeah, I'm not interested in making an iphone clone09:06
johnnyjohnjohnjust interested to see if someone rearranged the menus and such09:06
johnxah, that sort of thing.09:06
johnnyjohnjohnthe close and minimize button in the far right corner is something I want to change as an example09:07
johnnyjohnjohnand changing the left sidebar09:07
johnxThat would be hard to do at the "theme" level for Maemo. To do that you'd need to write your own home layout09:08
johnnyjohnjohnhow would that be done?09:08
johnxwhat you'd want to do is compare ubuntu-mobile's hildon-desktop layout to Maemo's09:08
johnxand look around in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop09:09
johnxso you'll need a new layout for the panels, new pictures and a new matchbox window manager theme09:09
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* RST38h moss10:31
RST38hmoos, sorry10:31
t_s_oheh, as long as you dont try to start some kind of virtual mosh pit...10:33
Stskeepsjohnx: apt-get source10:35
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johnxStskeeps, ah, ok, I'll push it back into a bzr repo after that11:02
* johnx makes beef curry. w00!11:03
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johnxmmm...jawa curry11:05
Stskeepson tablet so cannot immediate see if i put it in bzr or not11:06
johnxI can see you didn't. that's why I asked :)11:06
johnxm00f RST38h11:07
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johnxnot much to catch up on. The internet has been quiet these days I think11:19
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Stskeepsso how's 0.5 going? ;)11:23
johnxabout to see if I did update-alternatives right :)11:24
johnxany luck with osso-xterm?11:24
Stskeepsno, the libtool fucks up consistently. not sure i understand why11:24
Stskeepsah. maybe it's cos it's  /bin/dash.11:25
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* Stskeeps tries with /bin/bash instead11:26
johnxI'll try the hildonized roxterm11:26
Stskeepsnah, didn't help :(11:28
johnxI wonder if nokia tried to do things this way back in 200511:29
Stskeepswith sardine or?11:30
qwerty12_N800johnx, <reading scrollback>, I've sucessfully restored a flash blackup I made using mkfs.jffs2 using nokia flasher11:31
qwerty12_N800Hildonized roxterm uses vte too11:31
johnxqwerty12_N800, I expected that method was possible. :) I had my doubts about using dropbear scp though11:32
mshjohnx: what doesn't work with dropbear scp?11:33
johnxsymlinks and hardlinks?11:33
johnxbut that's just a general scp thing11:34
mshah right, yeah11:34
mshrsync the go?11:34
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qwerty12_N800johnx, yeah, kotczarny was odd like that too... we had an argument over what was better: mkfs.jffs2 or restoring a tarball (of course mkfs.jffs2 was simpler and a lot faster at restoring but no...)11:34
johnxqwerty12_N800, heh...I much prefer to just change the problem. :) rsync to card reader = win11:35
qwerty12_N800hehe :p11:35
* RST38h is attaching touch screen processing to the Symbian code11:38
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RST38h(in other words, S60e5 is here!)11:38
johnxyou can keep it there then. no real interest :)11:39
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RST38hjohnx: it is actually pretty decent, albeit butt-ugly11:39
* RST38h vaguely remembers that johnx is an Apple guy11:40
johnxonly when other people are buying me things :P11:40
johnxmade a nice work computer because I had no interest in hacking it :)11:40
RST38hjohnx: Any idea why an iMac would lose wifi connection (DLink DI-624) and never try to reacquire it?11:40
johnxbecause you're not using apple's wireless card11:41
RST38hI am using apple wireless card. DI-624 is a router.11:41
johnxah, fair enough. have you looked at the logs?11:41
RST38hYep - loses connection, that is all11:41
RST38hI have not looked at apple logs though11:42
johnxwhy it wouldn't try to reacquire, I don't know. what gen imac? g3, g4, g5, intel old, intel new?11:42
RST38hIntel New11:43
RST38hThe one in a huge aluminium display11:43
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johnxif you have no luck with apple's logs, I'd trawl the official apple forums11:44
johnxbut apple doesn't have a great record with wireless stuff in my book11:44
johnxand the right answer is definitely not buying an airport base station. contrary to popular suggestion11:45
RST38hsounds ominous...11:45
johnxno end of pain with those things11:45
RST38hthat much I suspected...the machine isn't mine though and it is kinda remote at the moment11:45
RST38hoh well, will try fixing it in March11:45
johnxheh. I think there's a nice menu option to save the logs to the desktop for easy emailing11:46
johnxbut it's been two years since I've touched a mac outside a store11:46
* RST38h only had a brush with a Mac for a few days11:46
RST38h(if we forget those old MacOS8 and MacOS9 based Macs back at the university long time ago)11:47
johnxyes, please forget them11:47
* qwerty12 used a macbook once, for a few hours, and knew they were not for me11:47
johnxit's a decent tool, but it's not as comfy as a linux box11:48
qwerty12Stskeeps, are you compiling vte under your builder or under your (odd) sbox sdk? Because I really can't get vte do anything under the sbox sdk, forget any libtool problems11:49
* t_s_o recall reading about the supposed followup to os8-9 and thinking it would have been really impressive if they had gotten it to work...11:50
* johnx misses nextstep, but never actually used it11:50
Stskeepsqwerty12: odd sbox sdk11:51
qwerty12Stskeeps, yes. I'm deadly truthful.11:51
Stskeepsdefine "do anything"?11:51
Stskeepsperl error? :P11:52
qwerty12" error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required", I can't even get autoconf2.60 - I thought this was meant to be ubuntu >.< :P11:52
Stskeepsfakeroot apt-get install autoconf?11:53
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qwerty12I've even done fakeroot apt-get install --reinstall autoconf* for fun11:53
Stskeepsii  autoconf                          2.61-7ubuntu1            automatic configure script builder11:53
johnxqwerty12, apt-cache policy autoconf11:54
qwerty12Yep, Version: 2.61-7ubuntu111:54
Stskeepsinstalled or not installed?11:54
qwerty12installed, that was from dpkg -s11:54
qwerty12Lemme reinstall11:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: do you have the mer devkit?11:54
qwerty12Stskeeps, yep11:54
Stskeepsand debian-etch?11:55
qwerty12yep, "Devkits:          debian-etch cputransp mer"11:55
Stskeepscos autoconf is in scratchbox tools in my 'which'11:55
Stskeepsyou have any cancel-redirection env variables? :P11:55
qwerty12Same, let's see what that version is, or I may just end up redirecting11:55
qwerty12I had some a long while back for diablo but I commented those out in my .profile11:56
qwerty12Yep, /scratchbox/tools/bin/autoconf is 2.59. I'll just set up redirection...11:56
Stskeepsi'm really stumped by the error im having though11:56
* RST38h used NeXTstep a lot11:56
Stskeepsah, may have to upgrade scratchbox :P11:56
RST38hOn the second-gen pizzabox hardware from NeXT11:57
johnxRST38h, what'd you think of it? especially objc?11:57
qwerty12Meh, vte is a shitpile. autoconf --version "autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61", vte : " error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required"12:00
johnxthink it's failing to find things >2.60?12:00
qwerty12Yeah, probably, let me redirect the rest...12:01
* Stskeeps really doesn't like autoconf and friends. :P12:05
johnxdoes anyone?12:06
johnxI've never heard anyone say "autoconf is totally awesome."12:06
RST38hjohnx: Was a very nice system, pleasure to use, great file browser (still miss it)12:07
qwerty12It makes things a *little bit* easier if I'm using an cross compiling toolchain but that's about it12:07
RST38hjohnx: Never used objc on it, just used plain gcc12:07
RST38hjohnx: It was already getting somewhat slow for its time (used 68030) and had a b/w display12:07
johnxRST38h, yeah, the file browser style was one of the nice things in mac os x as well. Recently when I saw videos of it being demoed in the early 90's my initial reaction was: whack a modern rendering engine in that web browser and sign me up: looks totally usable12:09
RST38hMacOSX Finder can actually be coerced into NeXT-like mode12:10
johnxright, aka, "not a PITA mode"12:10
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Stskeepsmorning Meizirkki12:38
Meizirkkihow can i set the screen timeout in Mer?12:39
Meizirkkiit's now very long12:39
Meizirkki*laptop optimized12:39
Stskeepsyou mean screen blanking?12:43
Stskeeps / turning off backlight12:43
Stskeepsdsme-tools package from deblet, and edit the /etc/init.d file for it12:43
Stskeeps30 is dim time, 60 is turn off time12:44
Meizirkkiit does it now, even when dsme-tools is not installed12:44
Meizirkkibut it's long12:44
Meizirkki5min i guess12:44
Stskeepsjust adjust it with dsme-tools then12:46
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Stskeepsmorning Jaffa13:31
* konttori is about to leave for a week in spain! (1 h)13:44
konttorisee you all later!13:44
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johnxlater konttori. have fun :D13:45
qwerty12hehe, enjoy konttori :D13:45
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* qwerty12 starts grumbling about the UK and its cold winters*13:45
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Stskeepsit snowed outside here today :P13:46
johnxnice. still about 5C here or so? (40F)13:46
Stskeepsjust hope its not too slippery when my fiancée drives to berlin tomorrow13:47
johnxah, yeah. driving on ice is never good unless the purpose of your trip is to drive on ice :)13:47
Stskeepsshe has winter tires so it ought to help a bit :P13:48
johnxstudded ones?13:48
Stskeepsno clue, but ones that are very good to have in nordic/european countries when its winter :P13:49
johnxyeah, wasn't much nicer for drivers in the Seattle are until a couple days ago :)13:49
johnxand that's only at ~48N13:49
Stskeepsmost useless map ever.. marking roads with "slippery" and "normal road state based on the season"13:50
Stskeepsslippery -is- the normal road state in winter :P13:50
johnx"floor is slippery when wet"13:51
Meizirkki-11 C here :)13:51
StskeepsMeizirkki: snowed in yet? :P13:51
Meizirkkia lot13:51
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Meizirkkicomparing to last two winters13:51
* Stskeeps ponders the fact the road directorate information web page isnt responding13:52
Meizirkkimaybe around 6-10 cm :P13:52
johnxStskeeps, they'd reboot the server, but they want to check the roads before they drive into work...13:53
Stskeepsprobably :P13:53
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Meizirkkigrr.. down?14:14
johnxlooks that way14:14
johnxor very lagged14:14
Stskeepsas i said, really needs mirrors14:15
johnxtimed out :/14:16
johnxheh...not exactly equipped to offer to mirror it sadly...14:16
gladiacwow, the browser with webkit backend is significant faster14:17
Meizirkkigrr.. i just destroyed my mer installation. and now is down. this is my luck14:17
StskeepsMeizirkki: you're in luck, i need you to test b-mans mer installer anyway :P14:18
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* Meizirkki is looking forward to test it. :)14:19
Stskeepsyou might want to take out any SD cards that you dont potentially want erased14:20
Stskeepsand i need test of the 'simple' install first and foremost14:20
Stskeepsit needs zenity and deblet bootmenu14:20
Meizirkkihow do i remove n810 internal card ??14:20
Stskeepshmm. :P14:20
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johnxmaybe use a hammer?14:21
StskeepsMeizirkki: his code -looks- safe, but with all testing.. :P14:22
Stskeeps(simple does automatic partitioning)14:22
Meizirkkiis there already a name for the current mer release? like, current version of Ubuntu for arm is "jaunty"..14:23
Meizirkkior can i call it just "alpha"14:23
Stskeepswe just call it alpha for now. when things get a little more sane the unstable release will have codename 'brick' probably :P14:23
Stskeepsas it has the potential to completely brick your tablet ;)14:23
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Meizirkkiinstaller will erase all data on external card or? if i make a empty partition, will the installer use it14:24
Stskeepswell there's two modes14:25
Stskeepssimple and advanced14:25
Stskeepssimple makes you choose internal or external card and it then partitions that card14:26
Stskeepsadvanced lets you have some choices14:26
Meizirkkii'll take look at advanced14:26
Meizirkkirootsh needed...14:27
Stskeepsthat too, yeah :P14:27
Meizirkkii used --force-depends :P14:27
johnxcrap. bent the pin on my charger >_<14:27
Stskeepsit is needed though :P14:27
Meizirkkii don't have much space left14:27
Stskeepsjohnx: hate when that happens14:27
qwerty12_N800rootsh is the shit :p14:27
StskeepsMeizirkki: rootsh is very bloody small :P14:28
MeizirkkiStskeeps: whatever :P14:28
johnxguess I can just head down to the Nokia store ... nearest one can't me more than a continent away14:28
Stslaptopthey really pulled completely out of japan?14:28
Stslaptopwith chargers and everything?14:29
qwerty12_N800johnx, I hope that you don't have to go through as much n800 chargers as me (hint, ac-5x owns)14:29
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johnxStskeeps, nah. NTT still sells Nokia phones. just have to see if they sell chargers too.14:29
Stslaptop.. probably14:29
johnxqwerty12_N800, is that a Nokia brand charger or 3rd party14:29
qwerty12_N800johnx, a nokia one, it's been my longest working charger14:30
johnxUK though14:30
johnxseem to have an ac-4u14:31
johnx100-240v / 50-60Hz14:31
MeizirkkiStslaptop: Cancel button does not work :P14:32
Meizirkkiinstaller just keeps going14:32
qwerty12_N800johnx, 4u should be fine, just NEVER get a 3u14:32
johnxI'll keep that in mind14:32
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qwerty12_N8003u's are too underpowered for the tablets, you'll think it's charging but in reality...14:34
MeizirkkiStslaptop: I selected mmcblk0p4 for swap, in terminal it says: mkswap: can't open '/dev/mmcblk1p4': No such file or directory14:35
johnxmaybe I should just build one out of parts :/14:35
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MeizirkkiStslaptop: what's a userspace-partition??14:36
johnxoooh, got a line on a US/JP plug AC-5U :D14:37
StskeepsMeizirkki: hmm.14:37
MeizirkkiStslaptop: NOOO!!14:37
qwerty12_N800wicked :D14:37
Meizirkkipartition select thing uses wrong card :(14:37
MeizirkkiI just mkdosfs my cloned diablo14:38
Stskeepswhich then proves fanoush's internal/external code doesnt work sanely under maemo14:38
StskeepsMeizirkki: sorry to hear that :(14:38
qwerty12_N800which proves nokia fucked things up with the int. 2gb :P14:38
Meizirkkihmm... trying again..14:39
MeizirkkiStskeeps: no problem.. i can always clone it again14:40
StskeepsMeizirkki: but "good" to know that the internal external code fucks up immensely..14:40
Meizirkkiit fucked up with deblet installer too14:40
Meizirkkibut only with n81014:41
Stskeepsdo me a favour..14:41
Stskeepscat  /sys/block/mmcblk0/device/../slot_name14:43
Stskeepscat  /sys/block/mmcblk1/device/../slot_name14:43
Stskeeps(and tell me which one you think is which)14:43
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Meizirkkiis says: external for mmcblk014:45
Meizirkkiinternal for mmcblk114:45
johnxah, so the kernel lies. cute.14:46
Stslaptopis that correct or not? :P14:46
Meizirkkinot correct in maemo14:46
Meizirkkiin Mer, mmcblk0 is external and mmcblk1 is internal14:46
johnxon n810? think it's the same as maemo on an n80014:47
Meizirkkiin maemo mmcblk0 in internal14:47
Stslaptopso the output lies? :P14:48
Meizirkkiin maemo: when i take external card off, i can still mount partitions in mmcblk014:48
Stslaptopalso, this output is from maemo, right?14:48
Meizirkkiyes, the output lies14:48
Meizirkkiin Mer/deblet/ubuntu: mmcblk1 is the internal14:49
Meizirkkisorry about the confusion i made :P14:49
Meizirkkiinstaller won't work as it should14:50
Meizirkkiit fails to mount14:50
Stslaptopk, ta14:51
Stslaptopany other people with N810s around?14:51
StslaptopMeizirkki: what does sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 say?14:51
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Meizirkkimy tablet is so full i can't save terminal output of installer into a text file14:56
Meizirkkiinstaller output with small description @ trac.tspre.org15:00
Stslaptopthanks, you might want to remove the mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz15:01
Stslaptop from your internal flash15:01
Meizirkkiyep, i removed it15:02
Stslaptopi'll pass that on to b-man15:02
johnxlulz. looks like the nokia charging solution in Japan is "buy an ac adapter for a normal ntt phone, then buy a little converter plug to plug it into your nokia phone"15:03
qwerty12_N800You should have stocked up on chargers  :p15:04
MeizirkkiStslaptop: sfdisk output uploaded15:04
qwerty12_N800seriously through, kinda sucks :/15:04
Meizirkkiit looked weird15:04
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johnxit is kinda cool, because they make cheap "emergency power packs" for NTT phones that take AAs15:05
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qwerty12_N800hehe, N800 + AA batteries... :p15:05
johnxgood in an emergency15:06
johnxand I have plenty of rechargeables floating around15:06
qwerty12_N800Looking at the size of the N800 battery, I just couldn't imagine it lasting long on AA's15:07
RST38hgo for the car battery!15:07
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, only if you agree to carry it around for me :P15:08
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johnxqwerty12_N800, 1500mAh x 3.7v = 5.5Wh, 1.5v * 2000mAh * 2 = 6Wh15:09
johnxunless my math is off?15:09
StskeepsMeizirkki: sfdisk -uM -l /dev/mmcblk015:09
johnxgranted the voltage conversion is probably ~80% efficient on something so small and cheap15:09
StskeepsMeizirkki: actually, sfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk015:10
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ShadowJKand you're probably better off using 1.2V for that calculation if you're using nimh15:17
ShadowJK(and 1.0 with alkaline because they're so weak ;-)15:17
johnxstill, it's the right order of magnitude15:18
johnxit should give me at least another 50% runtime15:18
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johnxwow...canola-cleanup is not my favorite application :(15:24
johnxjust removed osso-software-version-rx34 and mplayer and bluemaemo15:26
RST38hmplayer I can understand but why the rest?15:26
johnxthey depended on some "canola" libs15:27
johnxlike the libe** stuff15:27
qwerty12_N800bluemaemo depends on python efl stuff, same as canola15:27
johnxas for osso-software-version-rx34...and flash-and-reboot, and diablo-kernel-flasher...not so sure there :/15:27
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johnxah well. certainly have more space now15:28
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RST38hbut this basically means that your system update is gone?15:29
qwerty12_N800osv  doesn't take long to install back15:29
johnxyeah, I can just apt-get by hand, but I wouldn't call this "optimal behavior"15:30
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RST38hlooks like some guy has just done a non-python sensors applet for the desktop15:31
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johnxMeiz_n810, Meizirkki, is back15:36
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Stslaptopb-man: internal/external card lookup fails to work properly on N810, and
Stslaptopthere should probably be some warnings "are you absolutely damn sure you want to format mmcblk1 etc :P" and showing current partition table etc15:42
Stslaptopand error checking, maybe set -x once interactive part is over15:43
b-manoh, i see, that funny little bug showed up again; it tryes to download to root instead of /mnt/mer. :P15:44
b-mani'll fix that :)15:45
b-manit looks like it failed at creating a bootmenu item and /mnt/mer directory also. :( how much free space did you have before using the installer?15:47
b-manedit; never mind15:48
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StslaptopMeizirkki did the testing, so :)15:48
RST38hAm I missing something or is 5800 display 24bpp only?15:49
b-manit looks like he's missing /mnt/mer and /etc/bootmenu.d ;)15:49
Stslaptopmkdir -p :P15:49
Stslaptop(make sure its there)15:49
b-mani thaught it was there ;p15:49
* b-man revuews some code15:50
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RST38hIn case anybody still needs it, "Developing Applications in the Maemo Platform Training Course" has been published by Nokia on Dec 29th15:52
* RST38h is looking for the S60e3->S60e5 migration guide though15:52
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b-manthe target directory creation section is there, but the mkdir -p /etc/bootmenu.d section is not. :p15:55
Stslaptopfair enough :P15:56
b-manfixed that :)15:56
b-mani'll update the deb in s sec, hold on15:57
Stslaptopremember to up the version15:57
Stslaptopalso, we should probably do something about the check for internal/external card :P15:57
Stslaptopi'm not sure what though15:57
b-mandone :)15:58
Stslaptopsince the kernel lies to us :P15:59
johnxMay:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap.1/mmc_host\:mmc0/slot_name15:59
johnxseems it really is lying on the N810?15:59
johnxpretty crazy16:00
Stslaptopor the internal card is wired as the external slot? :P16:00
Stslaptopb-man: n800 or n810?16:00
johnxthat'd do it :)16:00
johnxheh. reverse the check on n810?16:00
johnxcould someone else here with an n810 run that command and paste the output?16:01
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cityL3how can I ask maemo to open .java files with the geany editor not notes?16:02
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b-mannew installer;
Stslaptopb-man: let me just give you a place to upload to with scp16:03
Stslaptopmuch easier really :P16:03
qwerty12_N800cityL3, You could try pipeline's dbus-switchboard but you may have to add geany to the list manually16:03
RST38hOk, happy to see that the poor critter behaves in the expected fashion. In fact, the whole migration guide is just a few screens.16:04
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RST38hThis thing is no iPhone by any measure (fortunately)16:04
alteregoRST38h: where's the new training material you mentioned earlier?16:06
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Meizirkkisfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk0 uploaded16:07
cityL3qwerty12_N800: when I run file I get: ASCII C++ program text16:07
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alteregoOh found it :)16:08
cityL3qwerty12_N800: I want to edit /usr/share/applications/defaults.list to add it16:08
alteregoRST38h: nevermind ^^16:08
cityL3what is dbus-switchboard?16:08
StskeepsMeizirkki: what size is your real external card?16:09
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: 4gb16:09
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: but remember... mmcblk0 is the internal16:09
Meiz_n810in maemo16:09
Stskeepsthat's really awkward. the kernel directly lies to us16:09
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Stskeepson a N810 at least16:10
Meizirkkibut i have now faster internet :P16:10
RST38halterego: Maemo training at Forum Nokia16:10
johnxStskeeps, it seems that way. I'd like to get a couple points of reference on that though...16:10
alteregoRST38h: yeah, I found it. It just wasn't under the maemo section ;)16:10
Stskeepsjohnx: poll on iTT? :P16:10
RST38hyes, it seems to be for S60 developers, almost an invitation to migrate :)16:10
cityL3alterego and qwerty12_N800 thanks16:12
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johnxso, any way to see if the battery is charging under Mer?16:19
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RST38hjohnx: you can cat the /proc file16:35
johnxmunch on retu values manually you mean?16:36
johnxnah, kcbatt works just fine :)16:36
RST38hsemi-manually, as it is already in ascii there16:37
b-manStskeeps; my f*cking pos computer crashed and i lost the password >:( what was the password again?, sorry. :(16:37
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Meizirkkijohnx: Stskeeps used statusbar-battery from nokia repo while ago16:40
Meizirkkiit worked fine, he said.16:40
johnxnot in maemo right now, but qwerty12_N800 reminded me about kcbatt, so I'm good for now16:41
johnxstupid fragile charger pin16:41
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* b-man hacks the deblet splash screen to work in Ubuntu :)16:44
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Meizirkkib-man: say the output of the mer-installer i uploaded when you were not here?16:48
b-manyes, i saw it, and hopfuly fixed the problem ;)16:48
Meizirkkihave you uploaded new version?16:49
Meizirkki*wanna try*16:49
b-manhold on..16:49
b-mani haven't uploaded it to my ftp just yet, but eventually will :)16:50
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Meizirkkiit's here too:
b-manthank you16:54
Meizirkkii uploded it just because i want to have way to wget it to my tablet. :P16:56
b-manok :p16:56
RST38hHmmm...minor problem. 5800 does not know anything about 16bpp mode16:57
Meizirkkib-man: still same happens..16:58
johnxRST38h, wow...that's not gonna help performance16:58
Meizirkkishould i remove the earlier version first?16:58
RST38hjohnx: no, it won't help =(16:59
RST38hespecially considering that the phone switched into 12bpp instead16:59
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lcukgcc params, i have created  how do i link that with an app, its stored in same place as source for now16:59
b-manMeizirkki, do you have /etc/bootmenu.d and /mnt/mer?17:00
lcukit keeps telling me it cant find it when i use param17:00
Meizirkkib-man yes17:01
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johnxlcuk, maybe gcc foo.c -L./ -o foo17:01
* johnx guesses17:02
b-manit might still be downloading to the wrong directory. what's in your /root directory?17:02
lcukjohnx, ive done the compilation part, ive got liqstars.o - ill try17:02
Meizirkkib-man: it downloads to /mnt/mer there is just nothing mounted to it17:02
b-manoh, ok, i'll take a nother look. i had this same problem, but (had) it fixed.17:04
lcukahhhh, ive created a dynamic lib17:04
lcukdifferent kettle of fish17:04
johnxshouldn't matter, IIUC17:08
johnxit's just -l in either case, but it won't look in ./ by default17:08
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b-manMeizirkki, hmmm... it looks like the target partition variable is not regestering. does the installer provide you a list of partitions to install mer to?, it shuld.17:13
Meizirkkii did not17:14
MeizirkkiI selected:17:15
Meizirkkiskip partitioing (i have already done it)17:15
Meizirkkino userspace partition (i already have fat-partition)17:15
Meizirkkiit never asked me witch partition to format or use for mer and it failed to mount.17:15
MeizirkkiRoot shell enabled17:15
Meizirkkiobtaining product information...17:15
Meizirkkiproduct version RX-4417:15
Meizirkkiscanning available memory cards...17:15
Meizirkki/mnt/mer available17:15
Meizirkkistarting internet...17:15
Meizirkkiselect-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x1a800, e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0)17:15
Meizirkkiselect-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - connection_cb(0x1a800, 0x139a0, 0xacdcacdc)17:15
Meizirkkiselect-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - CONNECTED (e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0, 0)17:15
Meizirkkiadvanced installer selected17:15
MeizirkkiUsage: mkfs.ext3 [-c|-t|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-f fragment-size]17:15
Meizirkki        [-i bytes-per-inode] [-j] [-J journal-options] [-N number-of-inodes]17:15
* b-man starts planning a rewrite of the installer :(17:15
Meizirkki        [-m reserved-blocks-percentage] [-o creator-os] [-g blocks-per-group]17:15
Meizirkki        [-L volume-label] [-M last-mounted-directory] [-O feature[,...]]17:15
Meizirkki        [-r fs-revision] [-R options] [-qvSV] device [blocks-count]17:15
Meizirkki/usr/libexec/mer/ line 415: ext2: not found17:15
Meizirkkimmcblk0p4 selected for swap17:15
MeizirkkiSetting up swapspace version 1, size = 254979584 bytes17:15
VeggenWeizirkii: pastebin is a good invention17:15
Meizirkkiskiping user-space17:15
Meizirkkiwriting bootmenu item...17:15
Meizirkki/usr/libexec/mer/ line 415: cannot create /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-advanced-int.item: No space left on device17:15
Meizirkkitarget directory available17:15
Meizirkkimounting to /mnt/mer...17:16
Meizirkkiinsmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko': File exists (-1): File exists17:16
Meizirkkiinsmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': File exists (-1): File exists17:16
Meizirkkiinsmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko': File exists (-1): File exists17:16
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
Meizirkkiinsmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists17:16
Meizirkkimount: can't find /mnt/mer in /etc/fstab17:16
Meizirkkichecking for md5sum17:16
Meizirkkimd5sum is allrety available17:16
Meizirkkirunning mirror options...17:16
Meizirkki/usr/libexec/mer/ line 415: cannot create /usr/libexec/mer/17:16
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
Meizirkkiafter "ext3" there is something weird17:16
Meizirkkiit is here too
Meizirkkiyea i know _P17:16
b-manqwerty12 lol17:16
infobotMeizirkki meant: yea i know :P17:16
qwerty12_N800Meizirkki, so, why flood?17:16
lcukwell it stopped moaning now i made it as a .so but it wont link17:16
lcukcan i list the exports in a library?17:18
b-manMeizirkki, how much free space do you have on your device, i noticed a "no space left on device" error.17:19
b-manfor /etc/bootmenu.d17:20
Meizirkki11,5mb before it begins to download17:20
* b-man has a headache17:21
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b-manit looks like i'll need some time to work this problem out, i'll be back in a while.17:26
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lcuki has liqstars running via libliqpaint17:53
johnxthat was *fast* O_o17:53
johnxI mean in terms of separating it out into a lib17:53
lcukive been thinking about whats needed for a while17:53
alteregoAnyone know what osso_cp_plugin_* is all about?17:53
lcukits not right and its not the new code17:53
lcukbut its enough to use - its what all of liqbase released version works from17:53
lcukim unhappy with most of it, but it works17:54
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lcukin terms of classes, there is : liqapp,   liqcanvas,       liqimage,liqfont,liqdraw,     then everything is actually drawn onto a liqcliprect17:55
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lcukok, lemme try and clean this up today and see whether everything works17:56
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lcukim gonna make a load of stand alone example modules17:56
lcukthen get back onto my actual app17:56
bakarati'm trying to sync my gpe-* apps with evolution17:57
bakaratbut i can only seem to track down an ancient tutorial for the n770 while i have the n81017:57
bakarati have installed the opensync plugin for evolution17:57
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bakaratbut it makes little sense without a decent how to :D17:57
bakarati indicated "network" as the type (since i'm connection to wifi with the pda)17:58
bakaratbut i don't have to enter an ip or anything?17:58
qwerty12alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_exec will run an control panel applet17:59
infobotqwerty12 meant: alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_exec will run an control panel plugin17:59
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alteregoqwerty12: oh, cool :) Thanks.17:59
* qwerty12 stops thinking in windows17:59
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infobotqwerty12 meant: alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_execute will run an control panel applet18:01
qwerty12np alterego :)18:01
Pavlzi found the definitive charge battery for nokia 77018:01
Pavlzan old charger battery for cellular phone18:02
Pavlzan LG model TA-25GR318:02
Pavlzit's an input 100-240 Volt18:03
PavlzOutput 4.6 Volt and 800 mAmpere18:04
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Pavlzit's necessary to remove the cable of cellular phone18:05
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Pavlzand mount the cable of nokia 77018:05
lcukok johnx, so what now, its api isnt perfect, i know nothing about versioning theres a load of cruft, but basically libliqpaint exists :) should i apply for a new garage project18:06
johnxdon't you already have an scm you use?18:06
lcukor should i keep it in liqbase18:06
lcukthats what i was thinking18:06
johnxjust as long as it's public18:07
lcukof course :)18:07
lcukbut for now liqbase itself doesnt use the library18:08
Pavlzthen if you want you can too put a heatsink on the shell of charger battery as i did and now works fine18:08
lcukit just and i think mangling it so it does would be wrong18:08
lcuki will create liqsketch and liqreader nice and fresh and cleanly ontop of the library :)18:09
Pavlzwithout any problem and charge well the battery18:09
Pavlzhappy hacking18:10
Meizirkkib-man: it still refuses to ask me what partition to use18:10
Pavlzand happy GNU Year18:10
johnxthanks for the info Pavlz18:12
Meizirkkib-man, also, when i select swap partition: mmcblk0p4, it shows "mkswap: mmcblk1p4 no such file or directory"18:12
Meizirkkioh, he's not online o_018:13
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lcukshould i call the lib libliqbase18:17
lcukmmm other considerations, i will need to change the license to lgpl18:19
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marcelshey guys, I just flashed my 770 to the OS2008 version using SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin and it went all well and it is quitte stable, but it is very slow, using the browser is working very slow (I have to wait at least 10 sec. after each click with 100 percent CPU usage)18:20
marcelsI already made an extra swap partition on the flash drive18:21
marcelsbut are there any other speed improvements I can make?18:21
bakarathmm ok, i got my computer & the pda to sync over the network, but i can't seem to distinguish between calendars on the pda?18:21
bakaratas in, if i have 2 calendars on my computer and i sync, they get synced into a single one?18:21
bakarat(which could pose a problem for reverse syncs?)18:22
johnxmarcels, maybe try a webkit based browser? such as tear? or midori?18:25
* RST38h found what is wrong18:26
RST38hholy crap =(18:26
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marcelsjohnx, are these in the repo's?18:27
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* qwerty12 sighs about the joys of packaging...18:30
RST38hAll right, everybody stop eating unless you feel like throwing up18:35
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nico_navicore bug !!  can't calc my way when i use different map for src/desr18:36
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nico_hi !! happy new year18:37
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RST38hBecause in its infinite wisdom, Nokia introduced a new pixel format in 5800 and REUSED the id from the old 12bpp format18:42
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johnxmarcels, might not be. check on itt. also no guarantees how they'll work with OS2008HE18:48
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alteregoHmm, what's the package name for libgpsmgr?18:48
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alteregoAh, it's in mameo explit.18:48
infobotqwerty12 meant: libgpsmgr_0.2-21_armel.deb18:48
alterego~Maemo explicit18:48
qwerty12/scratchbox/users/$USER/home/$USER/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1/pool :P18:49
alteregoYes, I've found it :P18:49
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* alterego writes libgpsmgr-ruby18:55
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qwerty12Although I'll have the en_GB locale installed in the main package, can't have real English being left out now, can we? :P18:56
alteregoIt should be the only English!18:56
qwerty12For sure! :D18:56
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alterego"No, we don't support Windows — get a better operating system." -- ^_^19:08
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lcukliqliqpaint is alive!19:23
qwerty12Teh goggles! They do nothing!19:23
RST38hliqliq would be a good name on its own =)19:24
lcukits written in an obscure variant of C though, northern9919:24
qwerty12damn, guess I won't be looking at it then19:24
lcukwith such wonderful constructs as:19:24
lcukaye up lad : fetch thee font definitions()19:24
lcukwrite that fancy scribble to th' wall over thar()19:25
lcuki cant just drop it under liqbase as it stands though, cos i had to strip some fancy stuff out to make it a clean liqbrary19:26
lcukRST38h, i decided to do the one thing: i dropped entirely the definition of my widget for now, people using sdl or pygame or (hint hint alterego) rubygame dont need it, they just need a way to draw pictures in places and write text and stuff19:27
qwerty12While python SDL bindings have the exciting name of pygame, the imaginative ruby developers went for the equally exciting Ruby/SDL name :P19:29
RST38hlcuk: yep.19:29
lcukmy apps will still use my liqtile/vcell classes which allows things19:30
lcukbut then other ppl can use it for whatever they want19:30
lcukit will need a change of license19:32
lcuki cant use the liqbase garage project :(19:32
lcuklgpl for libraries usually isnt it19:33
qwerty12yeah, it's less stricter19:33
qwerty12I think it allows it to be used in commercial things too - not sure19:33
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lcukdo you think Stskeeps actually gives a hearty physical *nod* when he does that19:37
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lcukok, this is progressing quite nicely19:40
johnxgood question. usually I am actually grinning like a maniac when I type :D19:40
Stslaptoplcuk: think of me of a long bearded man who nods in approval while sitting with his pipe in a leather chair :P19:41
lcukwhy think, you left your webcam on one night.    MY EYES! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!19:42
lcukwhy dont you do things like19:42
alteregoOkay, maemo-mapper has a nice use case of gpsmgr :)19:42
lcuk*strokes beard*19:42
Stslaptopa full beard is one of the best things of being an adult man19:42
lcukand a fullbeard is useful for keeping a suppertime snack in19:43
lcukjust find odd bits from lunch lurking away, you know like a chicken leg or caserole19:43
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* johnx fails at beards19:44
Stslaptopyou had some asian blood or how was it?19:44
johnxnah, mostly Irish, somewhat Norwegian19:45
* Stskeeps thinks he has a bit of swedish, danish and german, but thats about it.19:48
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johnxmy beard comes in all patchy. Can grow a fierce mustache though19:49
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Stslaptopjohnx: so what are you hacking on atm?19:51
johnxtrying to find out why update-alternatives doesn't love me19:51
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Meiz_n810hmm.. zenity (in Mer) depends on some gnome stuff...19:55
johnxzenity in mer so far is just ubuntu's zenity19:55
qwerty12I'm packaging zenity for Maemo19:55
Meiz_n810nm-applet is weird ... it shows all near by ap:s buut is unable to connect :(19:56
Meiz_n810(in Mer agn)19:56
johnxI blame cx3110x19:56
StslaptopMeiz_n810: i had same problem though19:56
Stslaptopit doesnt show connection or attempt at it19:57
johnxeven ifup wlan0 is kind of shakey19:57
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Stslaptopevening GAN80019:58
johnxok, update-alternatives will let me do x-window-manager but not x-session-manager19:59
Stslaptopthat's odd19:59
Stslaptopyou provide the alternative first, and then config to set it?19:59
qwerty12ok, for zenity, I've split the packages like this: . Any problems?19:59
johnxupdate-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-session-manager x-session-manager /usr/bin/start-hildon 5020:00
johnxif I s/session/window/ it works20:00
lcukthis feels so much better as a library :)20:01
Stslaptopand if not, it does what?20:01
johnxgot it :)20:01
johnxone of my earlier attempts must have set it to manual mode, so when I ran it in auto mode it was politely deferring to me :)20:01
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lcukhiya gan20:03
johnxhow goes the war general?20:04
lcukjohnx, not good by the looks of things, he apparantly still has his fingers but his eyes have been removed20:06
johnxlcuk, I choose to believe he's typing me up a detailed status report on his onscreen keyboard :)20:07
lcuknot on your nelly, he is a general, he is dictating a detailed status report and some female soldier lass is typing up his notes onto his onscreen keyboard20:08
GAN800johnx, last day at work.20:09
lcukdamn, i cant get my makefile to work, i want a simple file which for each *.c file will produce a same named binary (this is for examples folder)20:10
lcukRST38h, did you say you had something similar20:10
StslaptopGAN800: regarding mer & sprint for january - we're getting closer to initial image, but think the only proposal i'd like to propose for jan 09 is discussion on mer repositories/builder and get the details down and such, and more discussion on redistribution20:12
Stslaptoper, distribution, not redistribution20:12
Stslaptopxmas holidays took a little more out of my time than expected :)20:12
johnxyou can say that again20:13
RST38hlcuk: with the makefile?20:13
RST38hHere is how you do it:20:13
RST38htarget: target.c20:13
RST38h    $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ $<20:14
RST38hfor each example20:14
RST38hFor CFLAGS:20:14
GAN800Stslaptop, don't have to tell me twice. <_<20:14
RST38hCFLAGS = -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 --cflags --libs`20:15
lcukyeah i can get cflags and ldflags RST38h , thanks20:15
StslaptopGAN800: i said this already? :P my mind is messed up these days :)20:15
RST38hwhere the line after pkg-config contains the Maemo libraries you are going to use20:15
Stslaptop(or did you mean that xmas holidays took up more time for you too)20:15
johnxStslaptop, I think that was agreement from him :)20:16
lcukyeah rst, i already have: CFLAGS      = -fPIC -DUSE_MAEMO -Wall `freetype-config --cflags` `pkg-config --cflags  $(LIBRARIES)`20:16
johnxI'm gonna have to start gearing up for next christmas soon if it's gonna be like this one O_o20:16
GAN800Stslaptop, maybe an Americanism. But I mean that I know exactly what you're saying. ;)20:16
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lcukand a list of libraries in LIBRARIES20:16
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lcukRST38h, do i have to specify each *.c file or can i enumerate from the folder (like i said i didnt want to do for the main code :D lol)20:17
RST38hlcuk: If you want to create separate binaries from them, you should specify such a rule for each .c file20:19
RST38hlcuk: at the top, add this line:20:19
RST38hall:<tab><list of all binaries>20:19
lcukpeople like simple examples instead of monolithic ones im gonna just put a few together :$20:19
RST38hthis way, when you type "make" or "make all", it will know to compile all binaries20:20
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lcukwell this is the examples folder, i thought there was a way to just basically run gcc on everything20:20
lcukbut if not ill just list all of them20:21
johnxhaha! auto-startx and hildon-desktop-env play nice :)20:23
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johnxnext step: trim the init script out of maemo-launcher ... tomorrow20:26
johnx'night all20:26
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lcukjohnx, see you in a few minutes20:27
johnxlcuk, just because of that little remark I won't be responding to any more comments tonight ... oh wait :P20:28
lcuk:D heh20:29
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Meiz_n810hello b-man21:08
b-manhow did merinstaller-1.4.1-1 go?21:09
b-maneny errors?21:09
Meiz_n810installer still doesn't want to ask me about partition to install21:09
* b-man is flabergasted21:10
Meiz_n810i used imager to get my Mer back21:10
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b-manit did not work even with 1.4.1-1??21:11
zsis there any info how to create .deb package step by step?21:11
b-mani tested it and it worked fine with me21:11
* b-man is bewildered21:11
Meiz_n810b-man n800 or n810?21:12
Meiz_n810might be about it21:12
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b-manhmm, perhaps i could get someone with an N810 to help fine-tune the installer...21:13
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b-manMeiz_n810, you want to help in fine-tuneing? :)21:15
Meiz_n810i'll help :)21:16
b-mani'll upload the sorce :)21:16
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Meiz_n810i know what's wrong21:19
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Meiz_n810when it asks me: would you like to partition, i selected no21:20
Meiz_n810then it skipped the target selection21:20
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b-mani thaught i fixed that.... i guess it was the wrong script ;p21:22
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b-manzs; - will tell you everything you need to know.21:23
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qwerty12_N800Hmm, would zenity be better if it used a hildon file selector? hmm, guess I'll have to make it do so anyway as gtk file selector is making zenity go crazy...21:28
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b-mani'd suggest hildon file select :)21:30
b-mana lot easer to manage.21:30
qwerty12_N800Yeah, I'm sending it to extras-devel tomorrow after spending an hour or two packaging it properly so getting in some hildonizations will be good :)21:32
b-mani'm allmost done with the Ubuntu Jaunty on N8x0 guide :D expect to see it sometime tonight in the Debian thread. ;)21:35
b-manit's verry long. :p21:35
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Meiz_n810why debian thread?21:42
b-manbecause i just thaught that it would be a good place, unless you want me to contact Reggie and have a ubuntu thread :)21:45
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Meiz_n810i suggest to not use the subforums, then just say in your message, that it would be great to have ubuntu/mer subforums :P21:46
Stskeepsi'd wait personally with mer forums until its more established21:47
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b-manStskeeps, how did you get the vertual keyboard to work in mer? because my ubuntu-desktop keeps restarting every time i try to use xkbd or matchbox-keyboard.21:54
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Stskeepsb-man: it's hildon-input-method21:55
Stskeepsand requires matchbox so21:55
Stskeepsbut its weird it restarts O_o21:55
b-manit claims that xorg restarts because hal can't find proper keymaps.21:56
Stskeepsnot impossible i guess21:56
Stskeepsxkbdata or the likes maybe21:56
Stskeepsi dunno what hal is up to21:56
Stskeepsgoogle the error? :P21:56
b-manit trys to look for kernel-keymaps... i think21:57
b-manbut can't find them, so it fails21:57
Stskeepsconsole-data? :P21:57
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b-mani'll check.21:57
b-manjust installed it, hope my kb works..22:07
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solmumahaany dbus-experts around?23:01
ProteousI'm a shortbus expert23:02
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solmumahaanyone know if it's possible to somehow give a commandline argument to an app when started from the menu but not when started by dbus?23:03
x29ahmm, apt-get says it cant find e2fsprogs, should i use the .deb that does it all instead?23:03
solmumahait works if i remove X-Osso-Service from the .desktop so that it uses the Exec, but then i don't get the "Starting app" banner23:04
qwerty12_N800In your service file, you have an Exec option there too23:05
solmumahayes, but when started from the menu, it uses dbus which then uses that exec?23:07
qwerty12_N800Yes, X-Osso-Service takes priority over the Exec line in the desktop file but I don't think I read your question properly23:08
x29ahmm, is the 480MB really enough for the system?23:08
x29ai want to boot from external, which is 8GB, i want to install a lot of appz, which will then go on / right?23:09
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solmumahaqwerty12_N800: when the app is started from the menu, it needs a commandline argument, but when it's started by an rpc call (dbus), it shouldn't get that argument23:10
* alterego cheers.23:11
alteregocontext = GPS.start; context.stop;23:11
alteregoThat's all you need to do in ruby to start and stop the GPS daemon :)23:11
solmumahasounds complicated23:11
alteregoNo more starting Nokia Maps just to read GPS data now ^_^23:11
qwerty12_N800solmumaha, hmm, where else would it be launched via dbus apart from the menu?23:12
solmumahafrom a desktop applet23:12
x29afolks, why is e2fsprogs not in apt-get?23:13
alteregox29a: have you tried enabling the extras repository?23:13
x29aalterego: yes, im in xterm23:13
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alteregoHow does being in xterm mean you've enabled the extras repository?23:14
x29ai do have extras, but im trying to follow the guide to boot from external23:14
stelleghey anyone know how to kernel debug over usb?23:14
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stellegthe fading nokia sign isn't particularly helpful23:14
x29aalterego: is there more then one 'extra repo'? i enabled the one which gives me a lot of apps to install via the graphical interface, but now im using apt-get23:15
alteregoWell, maybe it's not there then.23:15
solmumahax29a: try enabling chinook extras23:18
x29ahm, my sources.list is empty23:19
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x29asolmumaha: adding the extra-devel helped23:24
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born2wonderN810hi everyone, can i run the mer bootmenu and flashing setup (deb package) without having to go through the required steps of downloading and extracting the rootfs?23:54
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