IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-01-01

woglindethere are plenty gps apps00:00
lcuki tihnk hes looking for a discount if he doesnt pay the penguin tax00:00
chandooit was long time ago, i came to know maemo few days back00:00
chandooi am exploring the site00:00
woglindehm nice ice wine00:04
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AStormchandoo, there's maemo-mapper and wayfinder00:07
woglindeastorm speed o meter00:08
AStormwoglinde, ?00:08
woglindegps app too00:08
AStormah, that00:08
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AStormit's basic :>00:09
woglindeshowing your acttual speed00:09
lcukwoglinde, grrrr \@/    "Package libxml2 was not found in the pkg-config search path.00:09
lcuk"libxml2-dev is already the newest version."00:10
woglindedpkg -L libxml200:10
lcukdoes that just check it?00:10
woglindeshows you the content of this package00:10
woglindepkg-config libxml-2.0 --cflags00:11
lcukcool thanks, right - it wasnt libxml2,  it was libxml2-dev i needed the check.  in there it shows i need "libxml-2.0" to have it found, why cant these things be consistent ;)00:11
woglindethe .pc is named little bit diffrent00:12
woglindeah hehe00:12
woglindefound it yourself00:12
woglindefine :)00:12
lcukmuch better to try to help self, thanks for pointers00:13
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woglindelcuk sure the day will come where I will question you about something00:14
bakarathmm, how can i play an mkv file on nokia n810?00:15
bakarat(can it handle x264?)00:15
lcukcool, well anything you need to know about the breast sized of dwarfs and midgets, i'm your man00:15
AStormit will choke with h26400:15
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AStormbakarat, I don't think anyone has built a filter for mkv just yet00:15
lcukgah, this xml thingy appeared to work kindof sortof, its given me a list of the nodes00:16
woglindethe mickael jackson imitation in one piece rockz00:16
lcukbut i had my function returning a tree of tiles00:16
bakaratAStorm, what's the easiest way to view movies on it? (most of mine are in mkv)00:16
* lcuk ponders00:16
AStormbakarat, hmm00:18
AStormrepack them into ogm with mencoder00:18
AStormshould be quick00:18
AStormalthough h264 is no-no00:18
AStormcpu will choke and die00:18
woglindeyell yell00:18
AStormyou'll have to reencode00:18
bakaratis there a nice utility to auto-convert? (nokia seems to have one but only win/mac edition)00:19
AStormffmpeg, mencoder00:20
AStormand nifty scripts (google for them)00:20
Stslapmm. alcohol and new years eve. always good00:21
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AStormabout 46min to go00:22
woglindeastorm 3800:22
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b-manStslap, i'm experimenting with pure Ubuntu Jaunty and am applying some of the base packages from mer and i have one question; do i still need mer-rescue-menu installed in order for it to boot properly? - because in mer that's prity much the only way to boot into mer... at least for me :P00:29
Stslapb-man: no, but it certainly helps with console mode and stuff :P00:30
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Stslapdon't be tricked by the dark side, there's no future for a straight-through desktop distribution on the tablets :)00:31
b-manheh :)00:31
Stslapseems like fatalsaint's been busy, he got sound working :P00:32
Stslapsomeone really ought to get him on irc..00:32
Stslap.. or her, i'm actually not sure..00:32
Stslapgod, im drunk..00:33
b-mani was just trying to convince him about irc yesterday00:33
b-manStslap, how many beers have you been drinking? :)00:34
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bakaratwaw ok, that was annoying :|00:43
bakarati started up a movie with mplayer, i closed the app but it kept playing00:44
bakarathad to ps -ef | more my way through the processes until i found it (and killed 2 processes that were innocent :'()00:44
bakaratis there a better way to solve something like that?00:44
bakarati assume "reboot" is safe? :>00:45
bakarator is everything stored in ram? :>00:45
woglindeits not win ce00:45
bakarati figured as much00:45
bakaratbut still...i rather ask :D00:45
bakaratthen reboot and notice something is off ;)00:45
bakaratreboot: not found :|00:46
bakaratic :|00:46
bakaratsome app is keeping my internal flash busy and "lsof" doesn't indicate which one00:47
bakaratand i can't reboot :'(00:47
bakaratany ideas?00:47
Proteousunscrew  the case and remove the flash memory?00:48
Proteouswhy can't you reboot?00:48
bakaratwell i don't know how :|00:48
bakarat"reboot" doesn't seem to exist :>00:48
bakaratshort of holding the power key for a number of sec (does that work?) i don't see a way of shutting down?00:49
bakarator am i missing something obvious? :D00:49
Proteouspressing the power key will bring up a menu00:49
Proteouswith a shutdown option00:49
bakaratProteous, sweet thanks :>00:49
bakaratbtw, when i'm disconnected from wifi, is the antenna still active?00:49
bakaratcause for battery would be nice to turn it off00:49
Proteouswhen your are not connected to wifi it doesn't use any battery00:50
bakarati'm loving the nokia tbh :D00:51
woglindebakarat you can configure it00:53
woglindein the wifimanager00:53
lcukwhy should an antenna drain battery>?00:53
bakarathaving a look00:53
bakaratwell not the antenna itself.... :|00:54
bakaratis there some sort of remoting software for maemo?00:55
lcuki just walk away from it when i dont wanna be near it00:56
bakaratlol :>00:57
bakarati mean like "anyremote" or something like that00:57
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woglindeI ported nx00:57
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woglindeand qtnx00:57
Stslapb-man: vodka, and champagne00:57
bakarathaving a look00:57
woglindeand package it00:57
bakaratbtw, i'm experiencing something odd, when i transfer "large" files (say 100+ meg) to the flash disk, the copy never actually ends00:57
bakaratit stalls right at the end or very near the end00:57
bakarati have to cancel the copy (though it still seems to succeed)00:58
suihkulokkiyou are running out og space ?00:58
suihkulokkips. happy new year00:58
woglinde2 minutes00:58
RST38h1:59 here00:59
woglinderst still awake?00:59
RST38hsleep time.00:59
woglindesleep well00:59
RST38hwatching the fireworks00:59
BugBlueHappy new year! Guttes Neues! Gelukkig Nieuwjaar! 2009!01:00
woglindehappy new01:00
woglindebut time to continue watching one piece01:00
woglindehave seen enough fireworks01:01
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JaffaWith an hour to go to 0000 GMT MMIX, I'm the only one up - now watching Jools Holland (with Martha Reeves & the Vandellas!)01:04
Stslaphappy new years from .dk :)01:04
bakaratsuihkulokki, no, enough space01:04
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cars__Is there any way to force the wayfinder map program to download maps to the external card or the home partition?01:14
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JaffaFrom what I remember, yes. Can't remember if it's exposed in the UI, though.01:16
JaffaLooking through a disassembly suggests it should be possible, tho01:16
woglindejaffa you decompiled the java stuff?01:18
Jaffawoglinde: I put some of the Java stuff through jad, but mostly concentrated on an ARM disassembly of the C wrapper (for, err, interest's sake).01:19
JaffaLast few releases it's been easier to buy a 20 quid 3 year licence for the old 770 version than bother to work around any protection methods. Original version had a single word you could change to bypass stuff01:20
timelesshappy newyear people01:22
woglindetimless to you too01:22
AStormtimeless... that is, for him, new year is all the time01:24
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ReKlipz1is there anyway to mount the internal memory via the usb cable on my desktop?01:38
ReKlipz1this is the n810...01:38
bakarathmm, is there a slightly more advanced alarm clock then the default one?01:39
AStormit is exported as usual01:39
AStormif not mounted01:39
ReKlipz1"as usual"?01:39
AStormso you have to unmount it01:39
AStormas usual usb storage01:39
bakaratthe default one only seems to allow for a "daily" setting (without specifying for instance different wake-up calls for different days or none for the weekend etc)01:39
ReKlipz1so, with power off, I just plug the device in?01:39
AStormwith power on and after umount /media/mmc201:40
AStormor maybe01:40
ReKlipz1well, i can't run umount, as hildon refuses to start01:40
AStormit just has to be unused01:40
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kpelhi all01:40
AStormit has to be unmountable at least01:41
ReKlipz1how can i access the file system if hildon isn't running, and i cant ssh into the device (as I need hildon for this)?01:41
AStormwhy would hildon hog immc?01:42
AStormit doesn't01:42
AStormdisable swap, obviously01:42
ReKlipz1ok, so, I start the device.01:42
AStorm(it's made on immc by default)01:42
ReKlipz1then it gets to the point where hildon would start, but it doesnt, it's just a white screen instead01:43
ReKlipz1so, then i plug in usb01:43
ReKlipz1my desktop mounts the external memory, as normal01:43
ReKlipz1but i need to access /01:43
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ReKlipz1so i can modify the session to start hildon (or whatever)01:43
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AStorm / is not immc01:44
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AStormit's flash01:44
ReKlipz1anyway I can mount that?01:44
AStormyou will have to use sftp01:44
AStormand/or sshfs01:44
AStormor maybe nfs01:44
ReKlipz1what if i cant start the ssh client though?01:44
ReKlipz1ie, i cant configure the device at all01:45
ReKlipz1no interface to be able to01:45
x29asounds tricky01:45
ReKlipz1i assume it's not going to get a network connection either, and I cant use usbnet01:45
AStormflash some own initfs?01:45
AStorme.g. the one from fanoush01:45
AStormit has dropbear in it01:46
ReKlipz1I may just reflash01:47
AStormyup, why not01:47
bakaratis there like an apt auto-clean thingy in maemo?01:48
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bakarat(and autoremove)01:48
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AStormbakarat, yes, use apt in terminal :)01:52
bakaratAStorm, okies :>01:52
bakarattrying "battle for wesnoth" atm hehe01:53
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* Jaffa beds.02:13
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sin18running ssh@localhost verifies that sshd daemon is running on tablet (n800/diablo) but when i attempt to use scp cmd from my linux box, the cmd just sits like a deadlock or something02:42
qwerty12_N800Can you ssh from your tablet to a different host?02:42
sin18qwerty12_N800 : same problem when i connect to my fedora (fc10) box from tablet; again ssh@localhost works on that box as well02:44
lcukhappy new year folks02:44
lcukmy missus says happy new year to you lot as well02:44
qwerty12_N800sin18, your router is teh suck, my old router did the same so I fixed openssh and recompiled it, but it seems my host (http:// is down :)02:45
qwerty12_N800lcuk, happy new year to you and your missus :)02:45
kpelhappy new year to everyone02:46
qwerty12_N800happy new year kpel :)02:46
aquatixHappy 2009 all!02:47
sin18qwerty12_N800 : thanks, will try rebooting it for now since its not like it never worked02:47
qwerty12_N800sin18, no wait, it's up : :)02:48
qwerty12_N800if you can't get other stuff to work, install the debs from there. they worked when my old router hated ssh with tablet and would cause connections to hang forever after entering pw02:49
sin18qwerty12_N800: great, will try it right now :)02:50
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b-manhappy new year everyone!!! :D02:55
aquatixb-man: you too!02:55
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oli2009 woo-hoo ;D05:46
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johnxyup. any future with coffee is a good future :D05:58
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VulcanisHello from the future!07:03
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nokia_800anyone know how to get canola to play youtube videos on nokia 800?09:06
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RST38hnokia_800: Install YouTube Canola plugin from Extras09:52
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disco_stuzakkm, happy Nyear!!10:16
zakkmyou too10:17
zakkmdisco_stu: do anything nice?10:17
disco_stuits 5am and im programming in python10:17
zakkmi meant like at midnight10:18
disco_stuwell i drink some alcohol10:19
zakkmthats nice10:20
disco_stuandd hanged out with my gf for a while10:20
zakkmthat sounds fun10:20
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zakkmsorry, im half asleep here10:21
disco_stuim writing with my n800 so, forgive me for the spelling10:21
zakkmwow you type fast10:21
disco_stume too!!10:21
zakkmi type way too slow on nokia10:21
zakkmwanted to get a bluetooth keyboard but i think it was GeneralAntilles that said it wasnt worth it10:21
zakkmlags too much10:21
disco_stuyou need to practice then10:21
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zakkmlol i just use it for basic stuff10:22
RST38hit was me not general10:22
RST38hit is still worth it but you will not type faster10:22
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zakkmits alot of money though, im not very rich10:23
zakkmalso i could do with a bigger SD card, if i was going for a upgrade10:23
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zakkmi type soo slow with n80010:24
zakkmi type fast when theres a keyboard involved10:24
RST38hMicrosoft to lay off 15000 people (17%)10:24
zakkmyeah i heard :)10:24
zakkmRST38h: it hasnt happened yet, its just a rumor ;p10:24
RST38hbut what a sweet rumor it is...10:25
zakkmwell lol it is doing worse, everybody is10:25
zakkmopensource is rising too10:25
zakkmof course microsoft is lowering10:25
disco_stuzakkm, RST38h see you later10:26
disco_stui'll go to bed now10:26
zakkmsweet dreams10:26
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JaffaMorning, all11:39
Stskeepsmorning Jaffa, had a good new years?11:40
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JaffaStskeeps: fairly quiet - I was the only one up at midnight11:44
Stskeepsmm, think i staggered home with the gf at around 2am or so11:45
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vincenzo88Hello, happy new year maemo ;)11:46
Stskeepsthanks, and to you too ;)11:46
RST38hmoo Sts11:48
Stskeepsmoo RST38h11:49
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gladiacwow, these home* applets waste a lot of resouces12:15
Stslaptopsome of them i guess12:16
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gladiacdevs = commands.getoutput("cat /proc/meminfo | grep 'Cached' | awk '{print $2}' | head -1")12:20
gladiac4 unix processes to get one line?12:21
gladiacawk '$1 ~ /^Cached/ {print $2}' /proc/meminfo12:21
gladiacdoes the same12:21
Stskeepssend a patch? :P12:21
gladiacI have already one12:21
gladiacbut I'm rewriting it in python12:22
gladiacthere is no need to use awk12:22
Stskeepswhich home applet in this case?12:22
gladiacthat's the patch to use only awk12:23
gladiacbut I've started to use python now12:23
gladiacI wonder from where ifconfig reads the ip address12:23
Stskeepsgladiac: khertan comes by here occasionally at least12:25
jaskaSIOCGIFADDR ioctl12:25
jaskato get it with just python12:26
jaska(didnt test myself)12:27
jaskaworks :)12:27
aquatixa happy and healthy 2009 everyone!12:28
jaskayeah, that too, happy newbyear :D12:28
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Stslaptophappy newyear qwerty1212:37
qwerty12happy new year Stslaptop :)12:37
Vulcanishappy newbear12:37
bakaratin maemo mapper, how can i enter a route that is more specific then the "town"?12:43
bakaratlike street etc?12:43
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prometoyshi, can I manipulate the LED in the N810 directly? I would like to find out interesting colors without restarting mce everytime13:25
qwerty12motherfucking google13:26
prometoysqwerty12 thanks, i will try it out13:27
aquatixhm, wasn't there a version of the screenshot applet (the system monitor one) that flashed the led instead of hiding its icon?13:29
qwerty12Yes, the dodgy version I made for you. I don't have the source anymore though :/13:29
prometoysbright and nice colors are rare... :)13:30
lcuknever a truer word spoken, but the n810 is like a solar flar, you miss it when its not on, and singe your hair and are blinded when its there13:32
lcuknew years resolution failed: i was gonna spell check everything i said13:33
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dystopiahappy gnu year!14:13
LopLiiihappy gnuy too....14:14
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Meizirkkimorning all14:55
Stskeepsmorn, happy newyears14:59
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lcukhappy new year sts :)15:15
lcukheres a nice little extra since last night
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lcukoh crap, im in wrong chan15:15
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alteregoUrgh ..15:22
alteregoI have the hang over of a century.15:22
solmumahacan't be that bad, managed to get here15:23
towoDrink more water.15:23
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* towo is free of hangovers. ;)15:23
alteregoI've had 2 pints of water already :P15:23
alteregoI'm drinking ginger ale and orange juice now.15:23
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solmumahaalterego: try drinking it before you go to bed (or where you slept)15:24
alteregoYes, I had a pint of water before I went to bed too.15:24
alteregoMy hang over would probably have been a lot worse otherwise :)15:24
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alteregoThat example made that screen shot :)15:25
solmumahathat complicated?! :(15:25
alteregoWhat do you mean "that complicated"?15:26
solmumahajust kidding15:26
alteregoYou should see how the Pythoners do it :P15:26
lcukalterego, that example made a whole linux compositing desktop and included functionality to take a screenshot?15:28
alteregolcuk: yes. Ruby is awesome :P15:28
* alterego chuckles.15:28
lcukahhh right, i thought you were using a normal language :P15:28
* lcuk chuckles also :D15:28
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lcukomg the pupnik clones have started15:29
alteregoMy laptop hasn't been restarted in about a week.15:29
alteregoAnd neither has my studio VM ..15:29
lcukyeah my comment is on that screenshot15:29
alteregoStill no word on my extras access :(15:30
lcukheh, what a difference icons make.  look at these two images and flip between em:
alteregoAre you trying to implemented that UI improvement?15:31
lcuksome of it yeah, its well in line with what liqbase can do15:32
lcukand the dragging around various scaled icons is fun :)15:32
lcukmornin johnx :D i got icons working15:32
johnxjust saw15:32
alteregoIt would be nicer if the icons were SVG ;)15:32
* johnx waits for his hands to warm up15:32
alteregoI think it looks kind of aweful with those pngs scaled :P15:32
johnxI imagine you're just grabbing the low res icons?15:33
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lcukalterego, but once we have svg we will have users who want to put mona lisa there, better to KISS and let them make liqsketches ;)15:33
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alteregowoo! My karma has risen to 101 :)15:33
lcukno, thats using descending scale, it looks bad on desktop because its much lower dpi15:33
lcuki check scalable, 40x40, 26x2615:34
johnxbut you're getting the high res one for media player, but not the high res one for mauku15:35
Stskeepslo johnx15:35
johnxhey Stskeeps15:35
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johnxjust back from a day of visiting. been on the train all day O_o15:35
alteregoI'm starting to feel like a human again now I've woken up :)15:35
johnxyou guys hit it harder than me last night I bet :)15:35
lcukadded 64x64 into the checking15:36
alteregoI didn't get home until 4am :/15:36
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alteregoAnd I've been awake for about half an ahour, it's 01:36 at the moment.15:36
lcukwhats the key for the default icon?15:36
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johnxah the four blue blocks and one green block or whatever?15:37
Stskeepsjohnx: bad hangover here15:37
lcukStskeeps, tsk tsk15:37
johnxsaw you talking about how drunk you were in the scrollback :)15:38
Stskeepsmm, can't remember that part15:40
johnxthat's why they invented IRC logs15:42
lcuktimeless, you are one of the ancient gods :D if i was wanting the default menu icon for applicaitons, how would i find it15:42
lcukirc.changelog: "added logs and scrollback for january 1st 2009 pisstake of stskeeps15:43
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alteregoI have this nasty feeling I'm going to lose my domain name O_O15:49
alteregoIt says "Pending Expiration" and I can't renew it ..15:49
alteregoCrappy GoDaddy website.15:49
johnxaaah, godaddy15:49
johnxcanceled that inside the first month15:49
johnxeven I'm not stingy enough to put up with it15:49
lcukthats better:
lcuktimeless, doesn't matter ;) solved it15:50
* lcuk has godaddy :$15:51
johnxfor hosting?15:51
johnxthe pain15:52
lcuknever bothered me so far, im gonna get a dedi box one day soon, i need to run my code up there asap :)15:52
johnxI had personalsites for a while but then they got absorbed and had reliability issues so I canceled15:52
johnxanyone know a cheap host for basically a personal blog?15:53
johnxlooking for ~$5 a month15:53
johnxerrr...not something pre-setup. I want to run drupal on it15:53
lcukthen you want a personal site15:54
alteregoI didn't realise you were a brit lcuk :)15:54
johnxweb, php, mysql15:54
alteregoI should have guessed from the name really O_O15:54
lcukalterego, yeah, why how did you find out15:55
lcukwhich name? lcuk?15:55
alteregoThe video on the liqbase :)15:55
lcukahhh yes :)15:55
alteregoYes, lc(uk) ;)15:55
lcuklc==liquidcoooled==slashdot nick15:55
alteregoAh :)15:55
lcukit was never meant to stay, but i kinda like it15:55
alteregoIn that video, who are you giving the talk to?15:55
lcukwhich video, the big one with people near me?  that was at the summit in berlin15:56
lcuk:) the first time ive stood up infront of my peers and delivered a presentation, i'd tried a coupel of times before this year but that one i managed it15:57
* lcuk was shitting bricks15:57
alteregoIt's the first one on the website, where you're using the projector.15:57
alteregoWell, you seem to be doing very well :)15:57
lcukmaemo summit, c-base15:57
lcuki found the trick, im not presenting to 200 people, im talking to 115:58
lcukif i focus on one person and speak directly to them it works and doesnt matter whats happening behind me (as you can see at the start when i dont notice im off15:58
alteregoI'm gonna watch the other maemo summit videos now :)15:58
johnxlcuk, aaah...I finally get what screenie from the tabletui blog you're implementing :D15:59
johnxdigging through my rss feeds15:59
Jaffalcuk's a proper Lancashire lad16:00
alteregoWhat language is liqbase written in lcuk?16:00
JaffaOooh, there must be a programming language called Whippet.16:00
JaffaIf not, there soon will be ;-)16:00
lcukif not, there will be soon, my dialect of c16:01
lcukjaffa, what do you think of this as a first attempt - im reading the default menus
alteregolcuk: if you implemented it outside of liqbase, you could make a navigator plugin ..16:03
alteregoReplace the _actual_ application menu ..16:03
crashanddiealterego, who gives a fuck about that, seriously?16:05
lcuktheres some other things i need to put in, having quick access to certain tablet features will be essential, maybe you are right though16:05
alteregocrashanddie: sorry?16:06
alterego"who gives a fuck" about what crashanddie?16:06
lcukcrashanddie, go nurse your hangover16:06
crashanddieoh ffs, alterego, step down from your pedestal and see sarcasm16:07
lcuk*happy new year*16:07
alteregocrashanddie: sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet.16:07
johnxyeah, my sarcasm detector failed to ping too16:07
lcuktoday is meant to be holding head and moaning softly, dont fight :'(16:07
alteregoI'm not fighting :)16:07
alteregoI just don't know what he was talking about.16:08
crashanddiewho's fighting?16:08
alteregoAnd it was obviously directed right at me ..16:08
crashanddiealterego, replacing the "actual" application menu16:08
lcuksorry, suckerpunching16:08
lcukyeah it will be good to replace the default one16:08
johnxI kinda like the default layout except with drag-to-scroll instead of those stupid buttons16:08
alteregoWell, I "give a fuck" about it. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.16:09
lcukthe only thing i need since we are in tablet format are things like quicksketch and camera and stuff, those are essential to using tablet in new places and situations16:09
lcukyeah johnx i do agree16:09
lcuknow i have the data i can look at manipulating it and seeing which works16:10
johnxand I think I'd love a mac-style (column-based) file manager as well :)16:10
lcukmaybe a single continuous list of all apps with kinetics, highlighting one of the menus on the left will scroll to the top of that bit of list16:10
Stskeepsjohnx: re blog, just go for blogspot or something :P16:10
lcukat least now i have a dataset :)16:10
johnxStskeeps, yeah, I know. but I have delusions of grandeur: forums and galleries and some fancy custom bits :/16:11
lcukdoes anyone have any idea what icon i should have for liqsketch?16:11
johnxI can picture it :)16:12
lcukyour site or the icon?16:12
johnxthe icon16:12
lcukoooh, sketch it then16:12
johnxa stylized tablet with ls written on it in cursive16:12
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lcukqwerty12_N800, just the man, this should make you smile on new years day:
lcukby the way, i cant believe how much better liqbase looks with a sane desktop image behind it16:14
lcukthe whole menus are pretty now16:14
qwerty12_N800lcuk, shit!16:14
qwerty12_N800Looking good :)16:14
qwerty12_N800You don't happen to have a *cough* beta testing programme by any chance? :D16:15
lcuknow, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file?16:15
lcuknot yet, theres no kinetics or anything - couple of days to work out specifics, ive also gotta make liqbase hide when i run an app16:15
qwerty12_N800I don't get you, does it actually run apps?16:16
lcukit will once i answer the problem just there ^16:16
lcuk<lcuk> now, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file?16:16
lcukdo i just run the exec= line and hope for the best?16:17
lcukor do i need to do osso type stuff16:17
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LinuxCodeHappy New Year all16:17
crashanddieyeah, you need to hildonize it16:17
lcukhappy new year linuxcode :)16:17
qwerty12_N800If there is an osso service line, it has prority over the exec line16:17
lcukqwerty12_N800, i would rather just call some api to say "run liqbase.desktop"16:18
lcukor whatever it is16:18
crashanddielcuk, double click on it, or select it from the menu :D16:18
Stskeepslcuk: so you're doing the tabletui one?16:18
lcukkindof, its been in mind for ages since i did the physics view images thing, ive always wanted to fire off things you lot have made.16:19
lcukthe tabletui one has resparked interest because i knew liqbase could handle it, and ive parsed the default menu tree to see how it looks16:20
lcuki dont need to reinvent the wheel, theres already a controlpanel UI for setting up menus - might as well use whats there :)16:20
lcuksame goes for the desktop background16:21
johnxlcuk, like this, but less ugly:
konttorilcuk: The idea seems to be going to the right direction. Kudos. and good luck on taking it to the end.16:22
Stslaptopwell, it seems a bit like they're going away from hildon-desktop16:22
Stslaptopas we know it, at least16:23
lcukkonttori, :)16:23
qwerty12_N800johnx, please, please, please make a program to go with that concept :P16:23
johnxStslaptop, should I do liqbase-desktop-env?16:23
lcukjohnx, cool16:24
johnxqwerty12_N800, hmm? what concept?16:24
Stslaptopjohnx: hehe16:24
qwerty12_N800johnx, the picture but I think I misread >.<16:24
johnxqwerty12_N800, it's an icon for lcuk's liqsketch16:24
johnxthere's already a program :)16:24
lcuki hate building things in old liqbase though, i wish i had finished the new cell/tile class properly16:24
Stslaptopjohnx: i wonder if it would be possible to have liqbase as backend for matchbox2.. :P16:24
qwerty12_N800johnx, oh, I thought that was your idea of a launcher :)16:25
johnxaah, just write in cursive to launch an app?16:25
johnxnow...hmm...that's kinda interesting16:25
lcukqwerty12_N800, thats an icon for liqsketch (note, specific app instead of all in one, i *MUST* split this lot off soon.  my mind hurts with the brainfuck i have to go through to do complex stuff in it16:26
lcukstroke recognition should do it16:26
Jaffalcuk: looking good16:26
johnxlcuk, good to hear it's being split up a little. hopefully on nice logical divisions16:27
lcukby the way, in a kinetic editor, if you do a stroke up down it should scroll, but if you do a side to side stroke it should start to select.  does that sound reasonable16:27
johnxyeah, makes sense16:27
lcukjohnx, ive got half of a new build of liqbase here with clearly defined library files and all the media and style and cell classes usign reference counting16:28
lcukso i dont have to explicitely define allocate and free things, they can just be created shared linked and unlinked without messing16:28
Stslaptopjohnx: fatalsaint played around a bit and start-hildon works fine as x-session-manager16:28
johnxof course :)16:29
johnxI expected as much16:29
johnx"x-session-manager" does far less than people think it does16:29
Stslaptophe made a good startx script too for init.d16:29
johnxah, great16:30
Stslaptopany possibility of wrapping those two bits into a deb package?16:30
johnxyeah, definitely later tonight :)16:30
Stslaptopthings should be a lot easier once we've moved things into 'user', so :P16:31
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johnxyou mean $user I hope, not 'user' :|16:31
lcukyou sound more and more like kot every day :P16:31
Stslaptopwell, starting initially as 'user' and then making a username rename i guess16:32
Stslaptopand doing ln -s /home/user /home/realuser, or something16:32
Stslaptopall good questions16:32
Stslaptop(feel free to come up with a way. im hungover and can not be relied on for information :P)16:33
Stslaptopa startup wizard is ok too :P16:33
johnxI'll do the basics and then play with zenity for "first run"16:33
johnxI can basically picture how it will work16:33
lcukyes johnx :D16:33
johnxlcuk, if you say so...16:34
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lcukcertainly not a bad thing: the conscience thinking about best practices16:35
johnxah, that. that's an entirely a practical PITA that I've been fighting for a while. :P16:35
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johnxgrrr...stupid cheap sd cards16:37
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Stskeepsdead sd again?16:39
johnxmight have already kvetched about this one before. it came back to life briefly after I switched from the 48MHz kernel back to the Nokia one, but now it's really out16:40
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johnxand I'm out my copy of HHGttG :(16:41
Stskeepsbook, radio show or?16:41
johnxradio show16:41
johnxand as for the 'or' I'll never let any copy of the movie near any of my devices16:43
* aquatix loves the books16:44
aquatixdidn't listen to the show yet16:44
johnxthe books are great and the radio show is a lot of fun16:44
johnxI kept trying to like audiobooks and kept hating them, but the radio show is quite well done16:44
johnxreally a different thing altogether16:45
* aquatix generally only listens to music when doing audio16:46
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* Stskeeps tries to build vte and osso-xterm16:50
qwerty12_N800Build vte from the osso-xterm trunk, unless you're building a fremantle version16:51
Stslaptopthere isnt a fremantle version though :P16:52
Stslaptopand got a source package for that?16:52
Stslaptopwhat's the difference?16:52
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qwerty12_N800Arr, the diablo version has a bug in it where it cannot discern from grey + black properly16:52
qwerty12_N800no src package, svn export and make one yourself :P (it's already debianized)16:53
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Stskeepsgod, new libtool stuff really messes up maemo things..17:00
johnxmore -shared stuff?17:01
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johnxsome kind of horrible substitution fail?17:05
Stskeepsnot sure17:05
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: any clue on those errors?17:06
johnxthat stuff with the X prefixed reminds me of what you do in an sh script to see whether a var is empty17:07
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, no idea, if the same happens in MER-ARMEL target in sbox, i can take a look in an hour17:07
Stskeepsyeah, it does17:08
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Stskeeps-- probably because libtool is libtool 1.5 in scratchbox, and libtool 2 in rootstrap..17:18
alteregoHmm, I think I'll setup a temporary debian repository for ruby-maemo ..17:22
alteregoUntil I get extras access.17:22
johnx$*%^ the ridiculous lack of central heating in my apartment O_o17:25
lcukjohnx, ive added a bit of color to the icon and made the edges transparent17:25
johnxoh no :P I didn't mean for you to use that unmodified17:25
* johnx kries17:25
johnxI'll make you a better one later17:25
lcukits fine, its better than a blank square :)17:25
lcukdont fret, 1000000% better than mine, i wouldv just drawn a stickman as usual17:26
lcukthe icons look better done to aspect17:26
lcukooops, can be 10% bigger17:27
johnxdefinitely. you're still not ending up with the same mauku icon as in the hildon main menu17:27
lcukwith white border?17:28
alteregolcuk: that last screeny looks much better :P17:28
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alteregoOh, I see what you've done.17:28
johnxaaah, I didn't even notice17:29
alteregoThe rows of icons are actually from the listed groups :)17:30
alteregoI thought you were doing it just like the ui improv. blog article.17:30
lcukyeah, but thats not gonna stay, im just trying to see what things look like with real data17:30
lcukthe icons will end up as a kinetic list, clicking a menu item on the left will just scroll to17:30
lcukif you look in liqbase at the graffitiview, it has resizable tiled list17:31
alteregoI'm gonna order a pizza. :)17:31
lcuksounds reasonable, hawaiian for me17:31
dystopiawow here pizzeria are closed17:31
johnxhere everything is closed O_o17:32
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dystopiaim thinking of breaking in the restauarant and make myself the meal17:33
dystopiaor borrow their oven17:34
Stskeepsmm. bacon chips.17:34
johnxtuna sandwich for me :)17:35
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Stskeepswhy on earth does the compiler provide its own libtool..17:36
johnxbecause the world is out to get you17:37
johnxdidn't you figure that out fighting scratchbox?17:37
Stskeepsquestion no 2 is however .. why doesn't vte build under this libtool then? :P17:37
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lcukgah! i wanna actually start the items off in the menu17:39
qwerty12_N800lcuk, steal fiferboy's code :P. he launches programs really well17:39
lcukgood idea, and he also gets the menu list from same place doesnt he17:39
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qwerty12_N800yeah, it has an option to add desktop items17:40
qwerty12_N800+ he lets you launch via dbus if the program haz a service file17:40
lcukyeah, reading fn now17:44 street view came within 5 blocks of my apartment O_o17:46
Stskeepsthey're getting closer to finding you, johnx ;>17:46
lcukthey then realised you lived nearby and hotfooted it out of there before the cameras broke17:47
johnxI'll have to move O_o17:47
johnxahaha...before I hax0red their cameras17:47
johnxthey got to the bus stop down the street though. madness. they've seen my car parked at my parents' house more recently than I have :D17:48
johnxif they had this earlier I could have just sat in the states and visited Japan with streetview :P17:51
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johnxStskeeps, think the init.d startx thing should Provides: x-display-manager ?17:59
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Meiz_n810Hildon-input-method works now in midori too18:00
* Meiz_n810 is chatting from Mer :)18:01
RST38hmoo all18:01
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RST38hjohnx,lcuk,meiz,qwerty: reMOO18:01
johnxhey RST38h :)18:01
johnxvery cool Meiz_n810 :) using a hildonized xchat? or what?18:02
qwerty12hi RST38h :)18:02
Meiz_n810johnx: qwerty compiled xchat for mer18:02
Meiz_n810what controls hw-keymap in maemo?18:03
lcukRST38h, HNYmoo18:03
* RST38h is just back from the downtown18:03
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: network-manager-gnome shoud work?18:04
Meiz_n810it stays scrolling... and after a minute, it gives up18:04
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, guess so18:05
AStormMeiz_n810, new one is somewhere18:05
StskeepsMeiz_n810: no clue. /etc/network/interfaces should :P18:05
Meiz_n810wlan works with iwconfig at least18:05
AStormI've 2.8.618:05
Stskeepsor iwconfig18:05
johnxStskeeps, hmm...or maybe better to conflict with x-display-manager :)18:05
Stskeepsprovides, conflicts18:05
Stskeepsor something18:05
AStormStskeeps, what abt wpa-supplicant?18:05
StskeepsAStorm: works too18:05
johnxbut that's worked for a loooong time :P18:06
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AStormin other news, my gfx code is finally working well18:06
AStormresizing and all18:06
AStormand obviously I had to implement a Canvas18:06
AStormas GTK is broken in this regard18:06
AStormno back-buffered canvas in default GTK18:07
AStormdoes libsexy have one?18:07
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johnxok, no reason to provide x-display-manager: nothing depends on it :) but conflicting with it is probably "the right thing"18:10
Stskeepsjohnx: k18:14
AStormStskeeps, btw, do you know how to run WPA2 adhoc with wpa-supplicant?18:15
johnxAStorm, Mer stuff. we have an init script to run startx...but it's not really providing the same thing as a display manager18:15
johnxuhm...isn't that impossible?18:15
johnxto use wpa1 or 2 w/ ad-hoc?18:15
AStormmaybe it is...18:15
AStormno idea myself18:16
StskeepsAStorm: i have wpa2 and it's simple with /etc/network/interfaces18:16
Stskeepsno clue18:16
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lcukhumm, bug in fiferboy's launcher - i think hes not freeing memory created when executing.18:25
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GAN8001Happy New Year, everybody.18:33
johnxhappy new year GAN800118:34
RST38hHNY, GAN18:34
lcukhappy new year GAN8001 !18:34
qwerty12happy new year GAN800118:34
* lcuk makes a macro18:34
* GAN8001 had the best night's sleep ever.18:34
johnxI will tonight18:34
johnxthat was my resolution: "get a really good night's sleep on the 2nd"18:34
GAN8001After a 10-hour day on the 31st, I wasn't going to be able to go out last night.18:35
lcukmy resolution was spell check everything and make stuff look pretty, 1/2 aint bad ;)18:35
lcukGAN8001: :)18:36
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lcukgan, ive been wondering about what you said about pretty backgrounds, and thought why not just find out what background the user has :)18:36
GAN8001Ha! Perfect!18:37
lcukhiya AStorm18:37
lcukHappy New Year!18:37
AStormdo you know where I can get micro USB a plug to USB A socket?18:37
AStorm*micro USB A18:37
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AStormyou know, for n81018:37
b-manHAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!18:37
GAN8001~usb-host is
infobotokay, GAN800118:38
AStormGAN800, host mode is simple18:38
AStormbut I need a cable18:38
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AStormand I don't want to make one myself18:38
AStormthough if forced, I can do that18:39
johnxthe wiki has the cable :)18:39
GAN8001AStorm, read the link before you dismiss it. :)18:39
lcukhow do i free a g_string thing allocated with something like  g_strjoin18:39
johnxbut you need two it seems: micro-a -> mini-a then a mini-a -> full-sized A18:39
lcukta :)18:40
AStormjohnx, meh18:40
AStormthen I'll make one myself18:40
AStormwill be much more compact18:40
AStormand I can make OTG one too18:41
AStormguess I'll just cut that micro-mini adapter and usb A "extender"18:42
AStormor just buy a USB A socket18:42
johnxI keep remembering the little things that make me keep waiting on a pandora even after all the pain :)18:43
AStormlike what things?18:44
johnxfull sized usb A port w/ 500mA18:45
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AStormjohnx, meh, pandora will be too large for my pockets18:45
johnxget bigger pants18:45
AStormI want micro SDHC in n90018:45
AStormjohnx, mwhaha18:45
AStormthat won't help if it's large18:45
johnxyou don't skip new gadgets because they won't fit your current case, do you?18:46
RST38hAStorm <-- heretic18:46
RST38hI am sure you also want just ONE MicroSDHC? ;)18:46
AStormpossibly many18:46
johnxtwo full sized SDHC cards wins :)18:46
AStorm4 for example :)18:46
AStormfull sized is too large18:46
RST38hAStorm: See? Wanting a MicroSDHC will not get you any friends here =)18:46
johnxand as for the scale of the pandora: it's about the length and width of an n800 and thickness of a zaurus or so18:47
AStormnobody uses full sized anymore18:47
RST38hSeriously though, I do not think full SDHC is that large18:47
AStormfind me a cell phone that does18:47
RST38hDigital cameras all use it18:47
johnxAStorm, find a camera that uses microSDHC18:47
AStormupsizing is easy18:47
GAN8001I'd go for 2 or 3 MicroSD over fullsize18:47
AStormand cameras have usb18:47
johnxyou'll get one microSDHC :P18:48
AStormone is meh18:48
GAN8001johnx, Eye-Fi! :D18:48
derfI'd go for slots that actually work.18:48
johnxthat I can say with 80% certainty18:48
GAN8001Yeah, Nokia is stupid.18:48
AStormtwo are best for switching18:48
AStormit's like with dual sim phones18:48
derfThe internal slot on my N800 could never actually keep the card in the slot.18:48
GAN8001At least we can hope for a lot of built-in storage18:48
RST38hthat is really a moot point to discuss - an n810 could easily accommodate either full or micro SDHC18:48
GAN8001derf, er?18:48
AStormderf, mechanical failure18:48
johnxwell the flipside is 32GB builtin :)18:48
GAN8001derf, both of mine work perfectly.18:48
AStormRST38h, yes18:49
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AStormand I think these 10€ more wouldn't hurt18:49
RST38hthe only reason for nokia to choose micro sdhc is to keep it standard across their product line18:49
AStorm(for card + second slot)18:49
derfAnd the miniSD slot on my N810 won't stay closed.18:49
AStorm(instead of bulk chips)18:49
derfSo the card comes loose.18:49
* johnx kinda hates those adapter cards18:49
AStormderf, what did you do to it?18:49
AStormmine is all fine18:50
derfI didn't do anything to it.18:50
RST38hderf: lock it with the kick stand and forget about it18:50
RST38hit does feel flimsy to me too18:50
derfRST38h: I can barely get the kick stand closed with a card in it.18:50
mavhcminisd is dead anyway18:50
RST38hsomething is wrong.18:50
AStormderf, inco mpliant card then18:50
RST38hyour card is probably not pushed all the way in18:50
AStormsell it and buy a compliant one :)18:50
derfMy card is pushed all the way in.18:51
AStormyes, or that18:51
AStormit has to click in18:51
RST38hder: it is weird, should not happen really18:51
AStorm(a bit deep)18:51
derfIt can be read just fine. Until it gets jostled, and then it can't.18:51
RST38heven if it is broken it can't be broken this way18:51
AStormderf, you really haven't pushed it all in18:51
derfYes, I really have.18:51
AStormit goes very deep18:52
derfI think your card is just a different size.18:52
AStormabout 0.5 mm deeper than edge of socket18:52
AStormcompliant SDHC miniSDHC adapter by kingston :)18:53
AStormMicro to mini18:53
derfAnd mine is an adapter from Sandisk.18:53
RST38hsounds safe enough18:53
derfYou would think, wouldn't you.18:53
AStormderf, hmmh?18:53
AStormif it's the one I know, you didn't push it all the way in18:54
AStormit goes *really* deep18:54
derfOkay, telling me the same thing over and over again is not really helpful.18:54
AStormhard to push it w/o fingernails18:54
derfI have fingernails. I know how to push on something.18:54
AStormthen your slot is damaged18:55
AStormprobably the spring is broken18:55
derfQuite possibly. But it wasn't by me.18:55
AStormdoes it "click"?18:55
derfNo, it doesn't.18:55
AStormok, so that's broken18:55
derfWhich was my original point.18:55
derfThe slots are all well and good, but if they don't actually work, they're useless.18:55
AStormyours are broken18:56
Meiz_n810Tear in Mer: *** glibc detected *** tear: free(): invalid pointer: 0x000c10f4 ***18:56
derfAnd a mechanical failure is worse than some other kind of failure?18:56
derfOr better?18:56
AStormyou have to take the device apart to attempt fixing18:57
AStorma worse one would be electrical failure frying your cards :P18:57
johnxor send it back to Nokia and make them fix it :)18:57
AStormor bent pins18:57
GAN8001johnx++ :\18:57
derfjohnx: Probably a bit late for that.18:57
AStormuhm, connections18:58
AStormanyway, surgery is necessary18:58
johnxit's been not working for a whole year? would have driven me nuts inside a week18:58
derfThe 2 GB internal card was fine for a while.18:58
AStormnothing duct tape can't fix18:58
derfI didn't bother buying a new one until it was cheap.18:59
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: mm, was it built using vala or?19:00
AStormmmmh. vala19:00
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qwerty12Stskeeps, had any luck with vte?19:02
Meiz_n810Stskeeps. ask benson :P19:02
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AStormStskeeps, btw, are there vala GTK bindings?19:05
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AStormalso, can I write a vala kernel? :P19:05
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johnxwell, you can write anything you want :)19:05
gladiacKhertan_n810: ping19:07
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Stskeepsqwerty12: no sorry, seems like there's a bit of libtool confusion, though i'm not sure how19:07
Stskeepsyou're welcome to investigate O_o19:08
Stskeepsi had to give up as my head started hurting19:08
qwerty12:/. May as well try here for fun while my N800 untars metasploit :)19:08
gladiacif someone runs hildon hometools ->
AStormjohnx, it uses glib19:08
AStormI want a real separate language19:08
AStormlike Haskell19:09
AStormcompilability to C is ok, but it has to be standalone19:09
johnxI was more referring to the fact that you can write anything you want...but it might not necessarily run :)19:09
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qwerty12Stskeeps, meh, it's whining about wanting autoconf 2.60. can't find any mention of 2.60 in the source so I can at least change it so fuck it (trunk version btw)19:14
* GAN8001 still needs to write blogs posts.19:14
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Stskeepsqwerty12: grab the build dependancies? :P19:17
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qwerty12Stskeeps, have done so.19:18
lcukits awfully tiresome to open and close liqmenu - takes on the order of 2 whole seconds to bring up a menu from cold start19:18
lcukthats pisspoor19:18
lcuk(btw, it opens things for me now :P)19:19
Jaffalcuk: scanning .desktop files? Cache the data in an SQLite db and use a quick date stamp check to see if any are new/different19:21
lcuknahhh jaffa, its combination of everything, no point in more complex than it needs to be19:21
lcukat present im just opening liqbase, showing menu and closing fully to let the app through, no point in doing that forever, you've seen the speed internal run modules work, ill just keep liqmenu around19:22
Jaffafair nuf19:22
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lcukit just adds even more complexity19:22
lcukcos theres also things like icon files19:22
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johnxalright, I have an init script that should now run a (yet-to-be-written) first-run-wizard, then startx normally. will finish and upload tomorrow19:34
Stskeepsqwerty12: and it's gnome-pkg-tools that does the autoconf stuff19:34
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah, I had that installed. The trace file it left me with showed where it was getting 2.60 from. edited the files in question to no avail19:35
GAN8001Community Highlight: December pt. 2 - Fremantle pre-alpha, Mer, Hardware rumors (maybe?), . . .19:40
GAN8001What am I missing?19:40
GAN8001Not a connection, apparently. :P19:41
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JaffaGAN8001: Nothing springs to mind19:53
Meiz_n810what does libmatchbox2 do?19:53
GAN8001Jaffa, think I should do the hardware section?19:53
* Jaffa foods19:55
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: stuff for matchbox window manager 2..19:59
Meiz_n810is the m-w-m 2 available?20:00
Stskeepsyeah, should be installable20:01
Stskeepsfeel free to experiment with it20:01
Meiz_n810what packagename?20:02
Meiz_n810is there a battery monitors available yet?20:03
Stskeepsnot yet, tested hildon-statusbar-battery from nokia update repositories though20:03
Stskeepsworked fine20:03
Meiz_n810i'll try to test it too20:04
RST38hAnyone worked with ALSA?20:04
Stskeepsthere's a bit of oddity with gconf we have to work a little with, though20:04
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: is m-w-m 2 in repo?20:05
Meiz_n810what's packagename?20:05
Meiz_n810not found20:06
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Stskeepsis there20:13
Meiz_n810ok, i'll dpkg -i it.20:19
Meiz_n810apt does not find it20:19
Meiz_n810i have ran update...20:19
Stskeepsthat's odd20:23
Stskeepsok, you're right, there's packages missing20:24
Stskeeps.. if there even -is- a binary20:24
Stskeepsreally look likes there's not20:24
Stskeepsis matchbox wm 2 a library? :P20:24
lcukStskeeps, matchbox window manager, is that a repalcement for x11 or something that sits ontop20:24
Stskeepson top20:24
lcukso then you also sit gnome ontop of that?20:25
lcukif desired20:25
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lcukor sugar20:25
Stskeepsa window manager is exactly what it sounds like :P20:25
Stskeepsit manages windows, placements, etc :P20:26
lcukx11 does that though doesnt it20:26
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lcuktis ok, i see20:27
Meiz_n810apt-check that runs automatically every 10 min. is annoying :(20:27
Stskeepseh? :P20:27
lcukits ok20:28
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lcukStskeeps, ive always thought x11 was the window manager, since like umm you create windows in it and it manages the events and stuff20:29
lcuknow i see its just a generic core20:30
Stskeepslcuk: if matchbox window manager 2 is a library.. then you could probably write liqwm ;>20:34
lcukthe problem i have is the display layer20:34
Meiz_n810apt-check eats a lot of memory20:35
lcukthats always been the heel and ivek nown it since i started this damned project :)20:35
lcukbut im learning and shall evolve :)20:35
* alterego burps20:36
alteregoI decided to have steak instead of pizza :)20:36
alteregoIt was nice :D20:36
StskeepsMeiz_n810: the update notifier is active in mer? ..20:36
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i don't know but there is apt-check that run automatically, and it makes the whole tablet laggy (it eats memory...)20:38
Meiz_n810really annoying20:38
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: interesting20:40
Stskeepsfigure out where it gets run i guess20:40
Stskeepsdefinately not a thing we want running :)20:44
Meiz_n810i have no idea why it happens20:47
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Meiz_n810when it runs next time, i'll kill cron20:50
Meiz_n810and see if it stops20:50
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Meiz_n810hmm.. it might be cron20:56
alteregoDo these "micro host usb otg cables" short out the required connection to allow the N8X0 to switch USB modes?20:57
woglindewhat are "micro host usb otg cables"?20:58
woglindeisnt the cable independent from the mode?20:58
alteregoIt's a micro usb connector on one end, and a USB socket on the other. allowing you to plug peripheral devices into your N8x0 tablets.20:59
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alteregoI've been using a gender bender, but I'm thinking of purchasing a proper cable like that.20:59
woglindebetter by a hub20:59
qwerty12_N800alterego, depends on which one. say they do21:00
qwerty12_N800woglinde, how do you plan on connecting the hub?21:00
alteregoI have a mini hub that has a power connector.21:00
woglindeI am too21:00
woglindeand the n810 cable fit21:01
woglindeso I do not understand it21:01
alteregoIn fact, the hub I have is almost identical to the one at the bottom of that page you just posted :)21:01
alteregoWhat don't you understand woglinde?21:01
woglindewhy I need a special cable21:02
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alteregoWell, you probably don't then ..21:02
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alteregoGenerally, if you don't understand something enough to know whether you want it or not. You don't need it.21:03
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alterego"Nokia N810: How to install Windows Mobile on N810?" omg ..21:04
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woglindehi rst21:04
woglindeqwerty uh this shop you mentioned seems really up to date21:05
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woglindethe know about mokofreerunner and beagleboard too21:06
RST38bisXChat on the tablet, full screen, BT keyboard21:06
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woglindehow is the bt keyboard working?21:06
woglindewit lag?21:06
GAN8001alterego, yes, the one qwerty12 linked is OTG.21:06
RST38bislag and evil repeats :(21:07
alteregoWorth a try :)21:07
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RST38bisno key drops so far though21:07
GAN8001~usb-otg is
infobotGAN8001: okay21:08
GAN8001~otg is
infobotokay, GAN800121:08
woglindehm the otg plugin never worked for me21:09
GAN8001The adaptor is the way to do it.21:09
GAN8001The software-only solutions are obnoxious.21:09
* RST38bis wonders if some linux kernel setting would fix the keyboard lag21:09
woglindehm I never thought its cable depend21:09
JaffaIt doesn't'21:10
infobotJaffa meant: It isn't21:10
GAN8001woglinde, the OTG cable has a pin grounded which tells the device to switch to host-mode.21:10
JaffaThe cable shorts out some pins which indicates to the device that it should automatically switch itself into host mode21:10
alteregoGrr, rtcomm doesn't work :/21:11
qwerty12_N800More detail please?21:11
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alteregoIt's failing to connect to my MSN messenger account.21:11
qwerty12_N800Do you use pidgin on the tablet?21:12
woglindejaffa/gan80001 but I can use the normal cable and plugin into a hub and will work too?21:12
alteregoI want to use rtcomm beta because I don't want to install Pidgin :P21:12
GAN8001woglinde, if you switch to host mode manually. . . .21:12
qwerty12_N800alterego, install - qole found the solution but i edited the deb not to install the whorish pidgin-data :P21:12
woglindeluckily I know how echo is working21:13
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alteregoThe version I installed didn't install pidgin data either ..21:14
RST38bis~curse ALSA thrice21:14
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ALSA thrice !21:14
qwerty12_N800alterego, But that version isn't working...21:15
woglinderst whats wrong with alsa?21:15
alteregoYeah, that's why I'm going to try your link :P21:15
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RST38biswoglinde: does not work. locks up the kernel.21:19
alteregodamnit, now I've lost the link to the diablo rtcomm package ..21:20
alteregoThank god for browser history ^_^21:21
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lcukwoglinde, do you get pms?21:27
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alteregoqwerty12_N800: getting "Network error" now :/21:28
qwerty12_N800alterego, same deb worked for me & disco_stu :/21:29
alteregoCan you briefly tell me the steps you took please?21:29
RST38bisHoly crap, it seems to run now21:31
qwerty12_N800alterego, i installed rtcomm from (the site has the link to 0.5), installed & fixed avahi (optionally)
RST38bisOn the more ominous note, New MaemoSDK+ has just arrived. Gonna break everything21:32
alteregoqwerty12_N800: thanks :)21:32
qwerty12_N800np :)21:33
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* alterego gives qwerty12_N800 a smoochkiss.21:36
qwerty12_N800hehe :D21:37
edgesterI want my N800 running diablo to mount an ext3 partition on boot. putting the filesystem in /etc/fstab doesn't work because the required kernel modules aren't loaded. Is using a startup script the next-best method?21:37
lcuki need to get back to university :$21:37
alteregoI'm back at work on Monday, after having 4 weeks holiday ^_^21:37
lcukboo alterego, im back in work as well on monday21:39
aquatixthat'll hurt :)21:39
* aquatix too :(21:39
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* RST38bis is off until 11th of January21:41
edgesterBoo on all of you! I have to be back at work tomorrow. I had Xmas eve through today off, but Friday isn't a holiday, :P21:42
RST38bisa few years ago the government has figured out that nobody gets sober enough until at least Jan 10, so they made it a big holiday21:42
* aquatix got 2nd of January off from the boss21:42
aquatixRST38bis: nice21:42
RST38bisaquatix: it is actually kinda hard on families21:43
alteregoIs avahi used for XMPP?21:43
RST38bisaquatix: nobody works, all children at home, -15oC outside21:43
alteregoAh, I guess I do want it then :)21:44
alteregoThat "link-local" thing sounds groovy.21:44
alteregoI bet it's a laugh at maemo meets ^_^21:44
lcuki think this might be the first year ever ive not worked through xmas21:44
aquatixRST38bis: ah :/21:45
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RST38bisUmgh, it clicks when it underruns the buffer22:05
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* RST38bis hates alsa with passion now22:07
Ro9u3oRif your in host mode can you still install apps22:08
RST38bisyou can.22:08
Ro9u3oRi was just trying to install a game application and got an error msg saying contact server admin22:10
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GAN8001Ro9u3oR, um, why would installing applications depend on USB?22:12
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alteregoSome peoples ignorance makes me feel stupid O_O22:16
RST38bisalterego: Never worked in user support? ;)22:17
alteregoMy users are generally tech savvy ;)22:17
RST38bis"Know what they are doing" savvy or "Thinking they know" savvy?22:18
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alteregoWell, if they completely knew what they were doing they wouldn't be after support would they :P22:19
GAN8001alterego, that's nothing. ;)22:19
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lcukok, ive got a graphic design problem, i have an image: its got transparency, but everytime i try to edit and save this with my psp it loses the transparency - i want just a glowing circle icon solid in the centre and fading at the edges (like the sun does, but as a specific circle)22:20
RST38bislcuk: Ok. You should have a Colors menu22:21
lcuki tried22:21
RST38bislcuk: And in that menu there will be a Set Transparent Color option22:21
lcukit has transparent in psp itself22:21
lcuki can see the grid through the edges22:21
RST38bisAnd when you SAVE it, check save options22:21
RST38bislcuk: Check the save options then22:22
lcukyeah i tried all the variations, from "take picture alpha" to "use single color" to fuck me in the ass22:22
lcuki spent about 2 hours on it last night trying22:22
RST38bisjust switch to gif then22:22
RST38bisscrew png22:22
lcukummm :$ i cant load gif22:22
lcukthe sun does it right and is transparent, i just dont want the sun i just want a glowing orb22:22
lcukso i can highlight stuffs22:23
lcuki even managed to make my own icon transparent edged, but i cant get the fading thing to work22:24
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RST38hI have got PSP now, a moment22:28
RST38hwhere is your png?22:28
RST38hlcuk: this file already has transparent background22:31
RST38hwhat is the problem with it?22:31
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lcukits a sun shape22:31
lcuki just want a blob22:31
lcuksame principle, totally see through at the edges, but in the centre fully solid22:32
RST38hhave you got the blob png online?22:32
lcukno, it wouldnt save properly22:32
RST38hsave it as you can and give me the url - will see what's going on22:33
lcukoh cripes ill have to retry it again then i vaped it in disgust22:33
lcukit was just a soft circle brush centred over the sun22:34
alteregoRight, well. My packages are now all ready for the extras repository.22:34
alteregoI wrote my own little auto-builder to test all the deps :)22:34
woglindealterego hehe22:38
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alteregoNow all I need is access O_O22:40
woglindeI had access within 15 minutes22:41
alteregoWhat do you develop?22:42
woglindethe admin was here22:42
RST38hwoglinde: found and nudged XFade?22:42
woglindeso it was fast22:42
alteregoSo, what do you develop?22:42
woglindeI ported22:42
alteregoWhat did you port then ..22:43
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woglindeI proted qtnx22:43
alteregoNo idea what that is.22:44
woglindeyou do not know the nx protocol?22:44
alteregoShould I?22:45
woglindeits compressed x22:45
woglindeso you have fast x connections over the inet22:45
woglindeand you can suspend and resume this x sessions22:46
alteregoHow does it compare to rdesktop and VNC?22:46
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woglindeand you can use nx as proxy for rdesktop and vnc *g*22:46
woglindewe tested over utms22:46
woglindeand it works okay22:46
alteregoDoes it handle hardware acceleration?22:46
alteregoCan you use OpenGL over the network?22:46
alteregoOh well.22:47
woglindenot really22:47
alterego"not really"?22:47
woglindeyou can run opengl22:47
woglindebut I didnt see the output yet22:47
alteregoSo, you can't then ..22:47
woglindehm maybee I should try it22:47
woglindesome time22:47
woglindeno I meant I didnt test it yet22:47
RST38hOpenGL renders directly to video memory22:47
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RST38hso you can't run it remotely22:48
mavhcyou can suspend NX, but what happens if your wifi connection just dies, does it resume OK? because that's the major problem with remote X stuff22:48
alteregoSo it doesn't quite do what "screen" does then? :)22:48
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woglindemavhc hm should be a problem22:49
woglindebut I didnt test yet22:49
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mavhcsame with umts, drops all the time22:50
woglindehm depends where you are22:50
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woglindehi crashanddie22:52
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crashanddiehey woglinde22:54
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lcukRST38bis, i think i did it :$ i added a mask and stuff
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alteregoI can't believe I didn't include libcairo bindings before ..23:02
* lcuk hates graphic design23:03
woglindeme too23:04
RST38hlcuk: this one looks ok transparency wise23:04
* alterego likes it :P23:04
lcukyeah it does23:05
pupnik___happy new year23:05
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RST38hhny, pupnik23:05
woglindehi pupnik23:06
lcukim off for a bit :)23:09
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, you should make it look in more places for icons :)23:10
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Shadow_Mhello everyone23:10
lcukyeah i should but that will come with time :)23:10
lcukim not here though23:11
RST38hlcuk: it does not load23:11
RST38hok it does now23:11
Shadow_Mmy rss reader seg faults when i try to open it23:12
RST38hopen it with a web browser23:12
Shadow_Mi went to a websitte clicked the rss icon told it to goto rss fead reader and now the feed handler screen is stuck open23:16
Shadow_Mwhen i goto terminal and launch osso rss reader it segaults23:19
alteregoDamnit, what's the command to take a screenshot on device?23:20
RST38h"1100 vehicles have been burned in France this NY night, 30% more than the last year"23:20
alteregoosso-screenshot-tool aha :)23:20
RST38halterego: cat /dev/fb0 >file ?23:20
alteregoHmm, what repo is that in ..23:20
Shadow_Many idea why i am getting segfaults23:23
alteregoI wish people would sort out their packages in extras .. It's a mess.23:23
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Shadow_Manything i can do23:23
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RST38hShadow_M: Don't click on RSS icons?23:23
Shadow_Malterego use personal menu23:23
Shadow_Mrst but i want to use the rss reader23:24
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GAN8001alterego, email the maintainers if there's a package with a problem.23:26
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Shadow_Mi do no recall making any changes to the rss reader other than taking it off the desktop menu23:28
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alteregoGAN8001: they probably wouldn't agree with me. I'm basically talking about how people stick libraries and stuff undier the user category so it shows up in the application manager.23:34
alteregoPeople should only stick things that a user _uses_ under the user category.23:34
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alteregolibs and command line utilities shouldn't be in there I don't think.23:35
alteregoWell, maybe some command line utilities.23:36
GAN8001alterego, well, that's enforceable.23:36
alteregoHow do you mean?23:37
GAN8001If they don't comply, we can simply drop the package. ;)23:37
alteregoBut people aren't complying ..23:37
GAN8001I've been pestering most of the maintainers about that stuff, and they've all been very agreeable.23:37
alteregoI think the application manager would be a lot better if the extras repo was stricter.23:38
alteregoCool, well. Keep up the good work then :)23:38
GAN8001alterego, we're moving in that direction23:38
alteregoSo I'm not just being a pedantic bastard then :)23:38
GAN8001But we've got to balance not driving people to their own repos and maintaining QA.23:39
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GAN8001So it's something we've got to move towards slowly23:39
Shadow_Mwhat file maintains the rss feeds in rss reader so i can change it see if it will run again23:39
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alteregoOh, so user/programming has been ditched?23:40
GAN8001Anyway, the categories will be enforced at the application-level once h-a-m is updated.23:40
* alterego updates a couple of control files ..23:41
GAN8001user/* enforcement will be coming eventually.23:41
GAN8001Our goal is to have things clear by Fremantle.23:41
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alteregoOkay, where would you stand on a category for the ruby interpreter? Considering it's just a means to allow people to run ruby programs?23:42
GAN8001One problem that we will have to address, though, are the edge-cases for user/*23:42
GAN8001Arguably, OpenSSH doesn't belong in user/* because it doesn't have a UI23:42
VulcanisGAN: It belongs there more than dropbear does...23:42
alteregoMaybe I should remove erb, irb and ruby from user/* then ..23:42
GAN8001But in the end you'll end up hurting people more than helping by moving it out of there.23:42
GAN8001alterego, copy whatever Python does. ;)23:43
alteregoThough, with ruby people can write scripts on the device and run them ..23:43
alteregoScrew it, I'll keep them under user :P23:43
GAN8001Yeah, I'm not too worried.23:43
alteregoIt's more the libs I have issues with :P23:44
GAN8001As long as it's something the user can actually use, it's mostly OK.23:44
GAN8001libs are the real issue.23:44
GAN8001It'll probably be something we need to discuss at some point.23:44
Shadow_Manyone else have seg faults in rss reader23:45
Shadow_Mi have an n810 and am running os 200823:45
woglindeShadow_M the latest update?23:45
RST38hHey. stop removing OpenSSH from the maemo installer!23:45
GAN8001RST38h, huh?23:45
qwerty12_N800More packages using maemo-display-name would be nice, imho even having the same name but the first letter capitalized makes it look a lot neater23:46
GAN8001alterego, you should try to attend the Sprint meeting.23:46
Shadow_Mwoglinde i always update when it tells me too how do i make sure i am on the latest updatte23:46
RST38hGAN: Removing user/ will effectively hide OpenSSH from maemo installer list23:46
alteregoGAN8001: details?23:46
GAN8001qwerty12_N800, I'm gonna make another big push if Nokia ever updates h-a-m. :(23:46
RST38hor package manager, whatever it is called23:46
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RST38hSo, user/utilities it is23:47
qwerty12_N800GAN8001, cool, shame on Nokia :(23:47
GAN8001RST38h,  it was only a hypothetical. :)23:47
alteregoGAN8001: I'll stick a note in my calendar :)23:48
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alteregoWow, my first spam message through my blog ^_^23:52
* alterego feels privileged. It's obviously made it's way to the spider-sphere.23:53
qwerty12_N800Time to break out the champagne? :p23:53
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alteregoCool, My blog is #3 on google for "ruby maemo" :D23:53
woglindewhat are the 2 frist?23:54
alteregoThe first is the entry in the product catalogue on and the second is an ITT post about how my website died early this year23:54
alteregoYeah, I was moving my dedicated servers to a new data centre. I then reinstalled them all and didn't have time to setup all the ruby-maemo stuff after that :/23:55
woglindehm ah23:56
alteregoSo ruby-maemo was basically inaccessible from Febuary until about a week ago O_O23:56
woglindeand now we will have it in extras23:56
alteregoEventually .. Hopefully ;)23:56
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b-man(random information) - it looks like i have a full, bootable ubuntu jaunty install :D, with ubuntu-desktop, usplash, firefox, and a lot of mer-base packages ;) - i'm getting ready to fire it up! - wish me luck!23:58
woglindegood luck23:58
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alteregoI'm loving havinga blog though, it's pretty useful :)23:59

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