| b-man | haha | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | I was hitting the steering wheel like mad, really pissed off | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | and then the radio started playing this shitty french song | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | "you break my heart like a piece of glass" | 00:00 |
| b-man | lolx100000 | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | double fun | 00:00 |
| RST38h | YOu can't blame the French here: the song started playing AFTER the fact | 00:00 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, crashanddie, is you want me to cut-to-the-chase i think we need two counties for two people, with internatonal presentce in jerusalem (i am saying that as someone living there). and for that to happen we need people to have a right frame of mind, and we need hamas to recognize israel.. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | =) | 00:00 |
| xorAxAx | any russian speaker here? | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | xorAxAx, da | 00:01 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: For that, you need a little bit of genocyde, really | 00:01 |
| RST38h | GuySoft: Too bad is has got such a bad reputation | 00:01 |
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| GuySoft | and i know there a few israelis that would think that is abandoning the promise land we are supose to have.. and some Palestinians would want me in the sea.. but both sides need to grow up | 00:01 |
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| kpel | well there are all sorts of things that can help bring the right kind of mind. like obeying international law and returning the golan heights back to syria, for example. | 00:02 |
| xorAxAx | he wasnt serious, anybody else?` | 00:02 |
| RST38h | kpel: And then letting the same Hamas guys use those heights to launch missiles into .IL? | 00:02 |
| xorAxAx | Pavlov: is pavlov a russian name? :) | 00:03 |
| RST38h | xorAxAx: Ok, what? | 00:03 |
| kpel | RST38h: no, then fall on the hamas guys like a ton of bricks. | 00:03 |
| RST38h | kpel: why not go straight to plan B then? =) | 00:03 |
| kpel | because they won't have an excuse then | 00:03 |
| RST38h | xorAxAx: What is it? A letter from/to your mailorder bride? | 00:04 |
| kpel | RST38h: because hamas is not invading anyone's land maybe? | 00:04 |
| RST38h | xpel: They don't have an excuse right now. | 00:04 |
| xorAxAx | RST38h: na, i met her in person | 00:04 |
| GuySoft | kpel, i agree.. and i might say i talked to people from Libyan in a conference of ITU (part of the US).. not among others they say they want peace too.. but they have pressure from the Arab world.. they are not in a simple position too | 00:04 |
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| RST38h | kpel: shooting missiles into anyone's land is sufficient | 00:05 |
| RST38h | xorAxAx: Ok, your question? | 00:05 |
| xorAxAx | RST38h: i tried in a query | 00:05 |
| RST38h | The answer is "yes". Next question? | 00:05 |
| kpel | GuySoft: as you said, it's complicated. i fully agree with you. i just don't get all this war-mongering attitude which is known for its ineffectiveness. | 00:05 |
| RST38h | Yep. That is a message from his mailorder bride. Why, WHY does it always have to be this? | 00:06 |
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| xorAxAx | hehe | 00:06 |
| RST38h | xorAxAx: You want it translated or what? | 00:06 |
| GuySoft | kpel, that is what is so annoying to me.. i just want to yell out "for crying out loud just get along!" my father was among the fighters that concured the Golan in the 6 day war.. now he thinks we need to give it back. but we need an agreement | 00:06 |
| kpel | RST38h: you mean like the us were shooting missiles into lands that never attacked them? | 00:06 |
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| xorAxAx | RST38h: sure | 00:07 |
| RST38h | kpel: Exactly | 00:07 |
| xorAxAx | RST38h: and as i said, she is not :) | 00:07 |
| RST38h | kpel: BTW, if those lands strike back, I will not be surprised. | 00:07 |
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| kpel | RST38h: then why are you surprised with hamas when thhey are fighting for the land that was taken from them? | 00:07 |
| GuySoft | kpel, i agree.. i am not for this war... i was actually surprised so far how 'well' it went.. i am not so up to date, i was surprised from the Egyptian respone... | 00:08 |
| GuySoft | i mean seeing the west bank Palestinians taking our side seems to be a good sign :) .. it always happens when you have a common problem | 00:09 |
| RST38h | kpel: They are not fighting for the land. They are killing innocent people. | 00:09 |
| kpel | GuySoft: let's just hope that the israeli government will not try to be any "brave" in order to win over voters from the conservatives. | 00:09 |
| RST38h | kpel: "Fighting for the land" is attacking Israeli army regiments. | 00:10 |
| RST38h | kpel: Shooting bombs at civilians is just that | 00:10 |
| GuySoft | kpel, i know. i am voting for "meretz" (far left wing) no matter what anyway.. | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | [ATTENTION] Please take the political discussion to #politics; thank you very much | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | ;) | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | well you don't have to quit | 00:11 |
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| crashanddie | hey | 00:11 |
| kpel | RST38h: sure, are you going to buy them tanks to fight then? anywya, i'm stopping. | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | STAY HERE | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | kpel: Nope. | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | kpel: Can't buy your own tanks? Too bad. Suck now. | 00:11 |
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| kpel | RST38h: and that's why they fire rockets with the accuracy of a blind catapult operator | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | just stop supplying them with weapons and things to make weapons. Those who win the war with sticks and stones are allowed to keep the damned strip of land | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Besides, I vaguely remember that tanks didn't do Arabs any good during the last war... | 00:12 |
| GuySoft | crashanddie, #maemo-politics? | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | GuySoft, something like that | 00:12 |
| kpel | RST38h: tanks are jusst a tool. they cannot win battles on their own. but they are needed. | 00:13 |
| GuySoft | RST38h, thats like saying that a hammer wont do much good to a cellphone.. | 00:13 |
| RST38h | kpel: Well, once they start killing civilians indiscriminately, they become fair game for genocide. | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | GuySoft, channel created | 00:13 |
| kpel | crashanddie: 100% agree. cutting off the supply lines would be best. | 00:13 |
| lcuk | but unfortunately it wont stop the hurting from people with families (literally) torn apart | 00:13 |
| RST38h | kpel: Can't win with tools. Can't win without tools. Can't live in peace. Do you see a pattern here? | 00:13 |
| kpel | RST38h: you are missing the point. There is a breach of international law here. | 00:14 |
| GuySoft | allright, anyone who wants to talk about the conflict go to #maemo-politics ... | 00:14 |
| andre__ | --> #maemo-politics | 00:14 |
| lcuk | there is a breach of raw humanity | 00:14 |
| RST38h | hehe | 00:14 |
| andre__ | EVERYBODY. NOW. | 00:14 |
| kpel | that too | 00:14 |
| * suihkulokki ponders puoring some more gas to the flamewar, this was getting entertaining | 00:15 | |
| kpel | what flamewar? i thought we were having a discussion. | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | here people, see the sick mind of a troll | 00:15 |
| GuySoft | correct kpel the geneva law forbids it.. intact its not something i think israel or anyone would want if there was no law | 00:15 |
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| crashanddie | even though it is blatant, he thinks he is right | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ill b back later, would rather think about code | 00:16 |
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| crashanddie | see what you've done? | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | You've made lcuk leave | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | I hope you're happy | 00:17 |
| suihkulokki | http://xkcd.com/386/ | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | He's done nothing wrong to you | 00:17 |
| kpel | who are you talking to crashanddie ? | 00:17 |
| GuySoft | kpel, we all moved to #maemo-politics | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, nice one | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, though there is one flaw in your reasoning | 00:18 |
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| Stslaptop | suihkulokki, been there done that.. definately :P | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, that cartoon actually has it starting with someone asking "are you coming to bed?", which is already completely fiction for most people here ;) | 00:19 |
| Stslaptop | *glances over at gf* | 00:19 |
| Stslaptop | if i can, so can the rest. bloody miracle someone can stand me :P | 00:19 |
| crashanddie | Stslaptop, I shall demonstrate how shallow your sentence just was | 00:19 |
| * crashanddie glances at the 30 horny girls waiting for him to turn off the light | 00:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | *cough* | 00:20 |
| crashanddie | you didn't believe me right? | 00:20 |
| Stslaptop | crashanddie: hereby proving the discussion on the nokia tablets as porn devices.. | 00:20 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, don't even mention the 79 virgins waiting for you... | 00:20 |
| andre__ | (oops, wrong channel, that one should have gone to #maemo-politics of course! :-P ) | 00:21 |
| suihkulokki | IME most geeks do end up having GF _eventually_ :) | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | Stslaptop, you can't fit 30 girls on 800x480 | 00:21 |
| suihkulokki | however, I don't know _anyone_ who has 30 horny girls waiting :P | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | Stslaptop, and if you do, you can't see if they're horny | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | suihkulokki, I know a farmer | 00:22 |
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| Stslaptop | cows? | 00:22 |
| Stslaptop | :P | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | you said it | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If they're bulls, I guess horny means something :) | 00:23 |
| suihkulokki | quick, on your tablet (or debian/ubuntu machine), run "apt-get moo" | 00:23 |
| Stslaptop | funny enough i'm writing a paper on power saving methods for positioning methods .. with the scenario of cow collars | 00:23 |
| Stslaptop | brb | 00:23 |
| Stslaptop | qwerty12_N800: funny issue on hildon-desktop-env btw, - gconftool setting doesn't work well when gconfd isn't running, for some reason | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stslaptop, make it install the gconf xml file directly :P | 00:26 |
| Stslaptop | and you'd need to ping the gconfd and if it isn't running, using --direct :P | 00:26 |
| Stslaptop | i'm really starting to see there's some areas of distribution stuff i really dont want to be in :) | 00:27 |
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| pupnik__ | thank you ssvb | 00:34 |
| * pupnik__ watching Garden State with knots player | 00:34 | |
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| * qwerty12_N800 <3's knots, haven't got around to setting up the server again (yet) but it's good in offline mode | 00:36 | |
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| alterego | Well, I think it's almost time to test the plugin loader .. | 00:39 |
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| alterego | Damnit, it's not working O_O | 01:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Is it like adding insult to injury if I point out that you did it successfully once before :( | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm sorry, I was being a prick there | 01:35 |
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| alterego | :( | 01:36 |
| alterego | I know .. | 01:36 |
| alterego | It's extremely frustrating :~( | 01:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | How long have you worked on it? | 01:38 |
| alterego | This time around or last time? | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | this time | 01:39 |
| alterego | Probably about 6 hours | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ouch. Really sucks :( | 01:39 |
| alterego | Yer. | 01:39 |
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| alterego | I don't know what to do now :( | 01:45 |
| kpel | take a break man, rest | 01:45 |
| woglinde | yepp sleep over it | 01:45 |
| alterego | I'm just pissed I can't remember how I did it before. Though, I kind of can. I've put the major parts in place. It just isn't working :/ | 01:46 |
| alterego | I'll work on my API documentation template instead. | 01:47 |
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| timeless | hello world | 01:49 |
| timeless | i need help | 01:50 |
| kpel | hi | 01:50 |
| timeless | i'm looking for a picture of the s60 browser | 01:50 |
| timeless | when it has an html:select widget opened for selecting | 01:50 |
| kpel | do you have a url i can visit? | 01:50 |
| timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi | 01:51 |
| kpel | would an oldish N95 do? | 01:51 |
| timeless | yes | 01:51 |
| kpel | just a moment | 01:51 |
| timeless | trigger it on the 'component' field | 01:51 |
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| timeless | and then also trigger it on one of the 'match' fields | 01:51 |
| timeless | use a normal browser to understand what i'm talking about | 01:52 |
| timeless | components lets you select more than one | 01:52 |
| timeless | the match kind requires you to choose exactly one | 01:52 |
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| kpel | timeless: you want a pic of the menu that pops up when i focus on the component field> | 01:58 |
| kpel | ? | 01:58 |
| kpel | can't find the match field | 02:01 |
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| lcuk | question, i have an n800 which works with os2007, can i just setup devkit core like i do in os2008? | 02:03 |
| timeless | kpel: yes | 02:03 |
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| timeless | kpel: the other one is "A comment:" [contains] | 02:04 |
| timeless | it's after "target" | 02:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you should be able to install the bora sdk fine. device still not flashing? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | no, and im fed up trying, work round it and learn more about porting :) | 02:04 |
| timeless | kpel: if you could have pictures w/ a character or two in the text field | 02:04 |
| timeless | and for the first one w/ a couple of but not all the visible items checked | 02:04 |
| timeless | that'd be wonderful :) | 02:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hook your N810 up using same cable & usb port and see if just the info argument on the flasher works | 02:05 |
| lcuk | n810 has different connector | 02:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh yeah | 02:06 |
| lcuk | usb works fully when the device is turned on and showing maemo. from the laptop i can see edit create delete files which are stored on the n800 memory card | 02:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | damn nokia for messing things up ;) but you say you wanna port so, i'll be quiet :) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | heh, i dont but its the only way im gonna fix the rotation problem and check out what a forward facing camera would be like | 02:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I really can't see why it would mess up though, as soon as i got my N800 it was running bora so I just used the windows flasher and it connected on the first try :/ | 02:10 |
| lcuk | nor can i, im booting it from scratch after popping battery, the usb icon comes up but non of the machines ive tried it on can talk to it. | 02:13 |
| lcuk | the usb icon on screen stays until i unplug usb | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | gonna try it again on desktop with a livecd (was windows last time..) | 02:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | is this through a hub? :/ | 02:15 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12_N800, is he pressing home button, right? | 02:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, must be if the usb icon is showing. that said, it's not the only way to get it to show | 02:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, the laptop has two external usb ports, this is direct to there, BUT its likely inside the laptop there is an internal hub | 02:18 |
| aboyz | can someone tell me what does maemo do?? is it a software? | 02:18 |
| lcuk | yes, i am pressing the right button | 02:18 |
| lcuk | any other button held allows the usb icon to vanish after ~2seconds | 02:18 |
| lcuk | maemo is a way of life | 02:18 |
| aboyz | lcuk, can you explain more. I don't quite understand when I go to the website.. | 02:19 |
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| aboyz | is it a gathering of all developers? | 02:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~maemo | 02:19 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 02:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm :/ | 02:19 |
| alterego | Ooo, progress! | 02:19 |
| aboyz | so its a programming lanaguea?? | 02:19 |
| alterego | It didn't crash hildon! | 02:19 |
| disco_stu_N800 | aboyz, its a S | 02:19 |
| aboyz | so maemo is a devleopment platform to create application for nokie and etc..?? | 02:19 |
| lcuk | aboyz, no, we are supporters and maintainers of a set of software for our internet tablets | 02:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, good with soldering? :D | 02:20 |
| timeless | cool | 02:20 |
| aboyz | lcuk. I don't get it .. i'm lost | 02:20 |
| disco_stu_N800 | maemo is my main operatin system these days | 02:21 |
| dmsuperman | I'm trying to install mmpc deb, and it says it relies on libglade2-0 version 1.2.6.1, but from the repositories the latest version I have 1.2.4, using diablo | 02:21 |
| aboyz | maemo is also a operating system?? | 02:21 |
| dmsuperman | Any idea how I can get 1.2.6.1? | 02:21 |
| aboyz | now i'm really lost.. | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | we all just like to use our nokia tablets. some of us are interested in coding, some are here for the experience and to learn more, others to play with cool things in the palm of our hands | 02:21 |
| disco_stu_N800 | we all hate scratchbox :p | 02:22 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 hates sbox2 | 02:22 | |
| aboyz | i see what you mean!! | 02:23 |
| aboyz | got it!! | 02:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sbox1 I have no probs wh | 02:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *with | 02:23 |
| lcuk | aboyz, :) have you got yourself a tablet? | 02:23 |
| disco_stu_N800 | lcuk, is about to promote liqbase | 02:24 |
| disco_stu_N800 | lol | 02:24 |
| lcuk | lol thank you disco_stu_N800 :) | 02:24 |
| lcuk | no need now | 02:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ha :D | 02:24 |
| lcuk | back to my code, ive had some good progress this evening | 02:25 |
| disco_stu_N800 | i made a client for a local weather site today | 02:26 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:26 |
| disco_stu_N800 | i want to give it kinetic scroling | 02:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | With thp's mokoui port? | 02:27 |
| disco_stu_N800 | (?) | 02:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=250605 - seems a quick way to make a python app kinetic :) | 02:29 |
| disco_stu_N800 | nice one.. i'll peep | 02:30 |
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| alterego | w00t progress! | 02:34 |
| alterego | :D | 02:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 02:34 |
| dmsuperman | I'm trying to install mmpc deb, and it says it relies on libglade2-0 version 1.2.6.1, but from the repositories the latest version I have 1.2.4, using diablo | 02:35 |
| dmsuperman | Any idea how I can get 1.2.6.1? | 02:35 |
| disco_stu_N800 | qwerty12_N800, looks good but what i want to scroll is gtk image | 02:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu_N800, ah :/ | 02:36 |
| lcuk | disco_stu_N800, what language? | 02:37 |
| disco_stu_N800 | i'll see what i can do. glade has been very nice helping me with the interfaces | 02:38 |
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| disco_stu_N800 | lcuk, python, of course | 02:38 |
| lcuk | yes, but what language are you wanting the app to be written in. damn | 02:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:38 |
| lcuk | someone find out and talk to me about some python bindings | 02:38 |
| alterego | >:( | 02:39 |
| alterego | RUBY! :P | 02:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu_N800, mytube uses : http://tony.maro.net/ossramblings/kinetic.php - dunno if it's what you want | 02:39 |
| lcuk | heh pmsl | 02:39 |
| lcuk | kinetic is easy | 02:39 |
| disco_stu_N800 | lcuk, in a few days i'll start messing with liqbase source code | 02:39 |
| lcuk | its a problem that gdk is just too slow | 02:39 |
| lcuk | gtk | 02:39 |
| lcuk | whichever fuffin one it is | 02:39 |
| dmsuperman | So...no ideas then? | 02:40 |
| lcuk | dunno sorry superman | 02:40 |
| lcuk | hey i watched you on telly lastnight | 02:40 |
| dmsuperman | :( | 02:40 |
| alterego | Damnit, I had it doing something before >:( | 02:42 |
| disco_stu_N800 | 100Kb of data is 0.40 cents (U$S) with my mobile phone | 02:42 |
| disco_stu_N800 | its freaking expensive | 02:42 |
| disco_stu_N800 | i cant even afford IRC through it | 02:43 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has no idea what his rates are, he just loves it when he has only 1.00 credit and he can use the internet for a long while before they realise my credit's gone :p | 02:44 | |
| disco_stu_N800 | lol.. here happens the same.. but they will take the money in your next charge | 02:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch :/ | 02:45 |
| disco_stu_N800 | the give me a pack with 10Mb but i must use it in theree days | 02:46 |
| disco_stu_N800 | the are fuckin retarded | 02:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | indeed, if I top up, I get an amount that I can use in a month ;/ | 02:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *:/ | 02:47 |
| alterego | MORE PROGRESS! :D | 02:48 |
| disco_stu_N800 | what's alterego hacking? | 02:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, out of question, how much ruby applets are there? | 02:49 |
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| alterego | There are no Ruby applets :P | 02:49 |
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| alterego | But I've got a plan for a killer plugin that will make everyone want to install Ruby on their devices :P | 02:49 |
| woglinde | hehe | 02:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | At least you aren't breaking something then :D | 02:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi rm_you | 02:50 |
| rm_you | heyhey | 02:50 |
| pupnik | ruby is cool to look at | 02:50 |
| woglinde | rails is great | 02:50 |
| rm_you | on is a wonderful particle | 02:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, please make a python-launcher knockoff for ruby though :p | 02:51 |
| alterego | I actually had the idea of a ruby-launcher before the python one was developed :P | 02:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | One thing I can't stand is python & ruby's startup time on the tablet :) | 02:52 |
| alterego | Well, on the other hand. If it's an applet it'll always be running so it doesn't matter :P | 02:53 |
| woglinde | qwerty12 hehe | 02:53 |
| woglinde | worser than the java it cant be | 02:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, tried advanced-power, written in python? really cool applet but it slows down hildon-desktop's startup time | 02:54 |
| alterego | Yes, that'll happen. | 02:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, hehe , i used to pray I'd be able to use my computer when i had a 733mhz + 128mb ram one ;p | 02:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *:p | 02:55 |
| woglinde | o I once had a latop woth 433 mhz and 138 mb ram | 02:55 |
| woglinde | but with dvd | 02:56 |
| woglinde | and was one of the first wathcing a dvd under linux with it | 02:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 remembers the 'DVD Jon' stories... | 02:56 | |
| woglinde | was arund 1999/2000 | 02:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alterego, no need to convince me anyway, I've already got yer packages installed :) | 02:57 |
| alterego | :) | 02:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (and a crapton of ruby books :p) | 02:58 |
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| alterego | :) | 02:59 |
| alterego | ONE OF US! ONE OF US! | 02:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 02:59 |
| b-man | ?????? | 02:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | would you consider it betrayal if I said i also have a crapton of python books too? :/ | 03:00 |
| solmumaha | alterego: where's the launcher then? :) | 03:00 |
| alterego | Nope. | 03:00 |
| alterego | I program in Python as well. | 03:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *grin* | 03:00 |
| alterego | Not out of choice mind ;) | 03:00 |
| alterego | God, debugging this is a b*tch .. | 03:04 |
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| alterego | Right, one bug squashed .. :D | 03:06 |
| towo | God, mCalendar failing to sync is most annofing. | 03:07 |
| b-man | 200 Playstation 3's used to hack SSL: http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/hackers-playstation-3-make-ssl-much-less-secure/ | 03:10 |
| woglinde | b-man yes | 03:10 |
| * qwerty12_N800 knows what he's ordering now :) | 03:11 | |
| b-man | heh | 03:11 |
| b-man | :) | 03:12 |
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| towo | Hehe. | 03:12 |
| woglinde | good nite | 03:12 |
| towo | Couldn't attend the lecture, that's the bad part about it. | 03:12 |
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| alterego | Right, I've zoned in on the main problem. I actually remember having this issue last time .. If only I could remember what I did next .. >:( | 03:13 |
| solmumaha | alterego: good news is, new packages work perfectly, no regression what so ever | 03:14 |
| alterego | There was some slight problem with package dependencies though. | 03:14 |
| solmumaha | oh | 03:15 |
| solmumaha | i don't have those installed then | 03:15 |
| alterego | Actually, you do. You just installed them manually didn't you :) | 03:15 |
| solmumaha | yes | 03:15 |
| alterego | It was the ruby1.8-maemo meta package that had the issue. | 03:16 |
| alterego | s/had/has/ | 03:16 |
| infobot | alterego meant: It was the ruby1.8-maemo meta package that has the issue. | 03:16 |
| alterego | I've not actually updated it yet. | 03:16 |
| * qwerty12_N800 butchered /var/lib/dpkg/status to have working ruby1.8-maemo :) | 03:16 | |
| alterego | What I'll do is delete the meta package ;) | 03:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | knots depends on it :9 | 03:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *:) | 03:17 |
| alterego | That way wgetters wont fall into that trap. | 03:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, the whole point of me separating up all the packages is so people writing programs can depend on only what they use. So they don't have to install the entire ruby-maemo set. | 03:19 |
| alterego | Maybe I should just drop the meta-package all together .. | 03:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Pymaemo has python2.5-runtime for lazy packagers :D | 03:21 |
| alterego | Oh, I know what the problem is! | 03:22 |
| alterego | I think I know how to fix it too ... | 03:22 |
| solmumaha | i'm lazy too | 03:22 |
| solmumaha | but actually i don't depend on the meta-package | 03:22 |
| solmumaha | but i'd like to :p | 03:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | was knots packaged by hand? :) | 03:24 |
| solmumaha | still is, 0.4.1 still uses the old packages so it has different dependencies | 03:24 |
| solmumaha | alterego: any eta for the extras? | 03:26 |
| alterego | solmumaha: as soon as I get authorized. | 03:26 |
| alterego | Like I said, it probably wont be until the new year when all the Nokians get back to work. | 03:26 |
| solmumaha | lazy sobs | 03:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /msg X-Fade and see if he can be bribed :) | 03:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:27 |
| solmumaha | still haven't gotten the icon to show up in the task bar | 03:28 |
| alterego | :/ | 03:28 |
| solmumaha | well at least there is an icon | 03:31 |
| alterego | If only I could remember how I got over this issue the first time! >:( | 03:31 |
| solmumaha | :( | 03:31 |
| solmumaha | i'll grep the logs :) | 03:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:31 |
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| solmumaha | sorry, no solution there | 03:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:35 |
| solmumaha | "The next release will fix bugs in LibConIc aswell as make desktop plugins more robust by reporting errors when the occur instead of dying." | 03:36 |
| solmumaha | so you had them working at that point i guess | 03:36 |
| alterego | Yes, I've got screen shots and everything >:( | 03:37 |
| solmumaha | what is the problem? | 03:37 |
| alterego | I've fixed it :) | 03:38 |
| solmumaha | you're welcome | 03:38 |
| alterego | I was just doing a bit of googling and looking through Ruby's "intern.h" and found a function that looked familiar. Turns out that's what I used! :D | 03:39 |
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| solmumaha | great | 03:39 |
| solmumaha | and gn | 03:40 |
| alterego | g'night. | 03:40 |
| alterego | I suppose I can go to sleep now, happy with the knowledge that I've got it working :) | 03:40 |
| pupnik | gnite solmumaha, alterego -- thanks for ruby/knots | 03:41 |
| alterego | np :) | 03:41 |
| GAN8001 | pupnik, the video acceleration is on the DSP now. | 03:41 |
| GAN8001 | pupnik, C64x | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | Or on the CPU with NEON acceleration | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | There's no ARM7 core for dedicated video decoding anymore. | 03:42 |
| pupnik | what | 03:42 |
| GAN8001 | [2:35pm] <pupnik__> something in 3530soc has h264 i think | 03:43 |
| pupnik | from the pdf, i see that IVA2.2 has the dsp, *and* a dedicated hardware video accelerator | 03:43 |
| pupnik | oh ok - ssvb explained it | 03:43 |
| pupnik | so n9x0 might have some dsp video accel. pandora won't, unless some indy developer goes crazy | 03:44 |
| pupnik | depends on whether nokia buys codecs from TI | 03:44 |
| pupnik | afaict, ymmv etc | 03:44 |
| GAN8001 | RX-51 will do all video decoding on DSP | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | audio decoding will be Cortex-side | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | I'm interested to see how the performance of the C64x will stack up against NEON-accelerated CPU-side decoding. | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | I think OpenMAX may be better than previous DSP stuff. | 03:46 |
| alterego | How fast are the Cortex chips? | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | Fucking fast | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | 2-3x faster than ARM11 | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | So a 600MHz Cortex A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11 | 03:47 |
| alterego | Nice. | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | lol, Yahoo abuse's response to my complaint is a total non-sequitor. | 03:48 |
| GAN8001 | Memory was the biggest improvement | 03:48 |
| alterego | Yay! it's almost finished :D | 03:51 |
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| pupnik | dosbox for omap3 runs wing commander nicely, they say | 03:57 |
| pupnik | and some other 286 era games that drag on my build | 03:57 |
| GAN8001 | OMAP3 is gonna be a huge boon for mobile Linux | 03:58 |
| alterego | I wonder if it'll run windows 95 .. | 03:58 |
| TrueJournals | Why... just... why....? | 03:58 |
| alterego | :) | 03:59 |
| alterego | Because it's possible? | 03:59 |
| TrueJournals | lol | 03:59 |
| b-man | @alterego, have windows95 imulated in dosbox - so yes. ;) | 03:59 |
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| alterego | DosBOX can emulate Win95? | 04:00 |
| b-man | yes | 04:00 |
| alterego | Awesome .. | 04:00 |
| b-man | i actually hacked a version originaly intended for a PSP to run on my tablet using DSB | 04:01 |
| b-man | edit; DBS ;p | 04:01 |
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| b-man | (dosbox boot selector) | 04:02 |
| * alterego yawns | 04:12 | |
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| GAN8001 | alterego, did you get your Extras invite? | 04:15 |
| alterego | Not yet. | 04:15 |
| GAN8001 | You send it? | 04:15 |
| alterego | Yup | 04:15 |
| GAN8001 | I wonder where X-Fade's off to. . . . | 04:15 |
| * alterego shrugs | 04:16 | |
| GAN8001 | I'll pester him after New Years if you still don't get it. :) | 04:17 |
| alterego | I was kind of half expecting it after new years when everyone's back at work and stuff :) | 04:17 |
| GAN8001 | :P | 04:18 |
| pupnik | b-man: does the touchscreen calibrate correctly to the win95 pointer? | 04:18 |
| alterego | IT'S WERKIN! | 04:22 |
| lcuk | shes alive! | 04:22 |
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| alterego | I can tell you all want to see the screen shot ;) | 04:24 |
| cjdavis2 | yes! and I dont even know what it is! | 04:25 |
| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo/home-plugin.png | 04:25 |
| alterego | :) | 04:25 |
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| GAN8001 | Heh | 04:26 |
| cjdavis2 | cool | 04:28 |
| b-man | @pupnik; kinda, you need to drag it to the corner of the screen to calibrate it, but somewhat, yes. | 04:29 |
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| b-man | and i do have screenshots, but i haven't uploaded them yet. | 04:29 |
| b-man | the whole desktop fits the screen to | 04:29 |
| b-man | :) | 04:29 |
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| alterego | Well, now time for bed,. | 04:32 |
| b-man | see ya | 04:32 |
| * alterego frantically submits the code to subversion to avoid data loss. | 04:32 | |
| alterego | I'm not going to go through this again ^_^ | 04:32 |
| alterego | Not a third time! | 04:32 |
| alterego | Right, g'night folks. | 04:33 |
| b-man | Btw, about win95, I'll probibly create a small guide on how to make win95 work over at ITT. - i might need to get permission from the guy who wrote DBS though. | 04:33 |
| b-man | he has a strict copyright policy. | 04:34 |
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| GAN800 | Who the hell decided esc should minmize in Modest-m | 04:38 |
| GAN800 | We all have a goddamn window/fullscreen button! | 04:39 |
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| GAN800 | s/all/already/ | 04:39 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: We already have a goddamn window/fullscreen button! | 04:39 |
| pupnik | b-man: chat with OSEmuTech | 04:41 |
| b-man | if i can find her :p | 04:42 |
| b-man | i haven't seen her for months | 04:42 |
| pupnik | is female? | 04:43 |
| b-man | yes | 04:43 |
| pupnik | O_o | 04:43 |
| b-man | isn't it obvious? | 04:43 |
| pupnik | well that realignes my internal femdar a bit | 04:44 |
| b-man | heh | 04:44 |
| TrueJournals | Anyone know why python with gtk won't let me change the color of text in a menu item? :-P | 04:44 |
| TrueJournals | (Or style of the text at all, for that matter...) | 04:44 |
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| TrueJournals | Ah... maybe because it's not reading the new file... | 04:45 |
| b-man | pupnlk, is this your website?; http://www.vclcomponents.com/authors/Larry_Pupnik | 04:53 |
| pupnik | nope | 04:53 |
| pupnik | pupnik.de | 04:53 |
| pupnik | sorry for the inactivity | 04:54 |
| b-man | it's ok, i'm allmost allwase staring at the screen :) | 04:54 |
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| pupnik | lack of updates to games... been a rough year | 04:56 |
| b-man | yah | 04:57 |
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| disco_stu | we need good games.. | 05:00 |
| b-man | too bad we don't have OpenGL... | 05:02 |
| lcuk | what did game designers do before opengl? did games not exist? | 05:02 |
| b-man | untill RX51 hardware is available... | 05:02 |
| b-man | lol - woops | 05:03 |
| lcuk | heh | 05:03 |
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| b-man | i think i'm addicted to my tablet, i've been using it for 5+ hours straight. | 05:07 |
| b-man | for the past 2 days.. | 05:08 |
| b-man | ruining my eyes... :) | 05:09 |
| lcuk | ive just got a large format tablet as well as my nokia now | 05:10 |
| towo | lcuk: software renderers. | 05:11 |
| pupnik | what kind? | 05:11 |
| lcuk | yes towo | 05:11 |
| pupnik | lcuk, x86 mini-notebook tablet? | 05:15 |
| lcuk | no, 12 inch lenovo, pentium m 1.6 (running at powersave 798) | 05:16 |
| lcuk | its sweet, loads of power and liqbase is wicked on it | 05:16 |
| lcuk | its sidetracked me somewhat with the future thoughts, and brought me back to coding in the trunk | 05:17 |
| lcuk | theres talk about the app menu and stuff, and a mockup on the tabletui, i think i can bring that mockup to life | 05:17 |
| lcuk | ive spent the night following the threads of what the app manager currently uses to build its menus | 05:18 |
| lcuk | i think i can knock something up that will look cool and work well | 05:19 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 05:20 |
| pupnik | so it's an x86 mini-notebook tablet, by lenovo | 05:20 |
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| b-man | pupnik: http://psp.wijou.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=86&st=0 --- provides information about DBS in dosbox, and provides download links for W98/95/3.1 - if your curious. | 05:27 |
| pupnik | nice | 05:28 |
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| b-man | just extract it to your mmc, copy over the dosbox.conf file to /usr/share/dosbox and change the E and M drives to mount m /media/mmc2/PSP/GAME/ mount e /media/mmc2/PSP/GAME/DOSBox/ and make autolock=false | 05:31 |
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| b-man | and extract the images to /PSP/GAMES/DOSbox/ | 05:32 |
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| pupnik | that rocks | 05:37 |
| pupnik | would you like a much faster dosbox b-man ? | 05:37 |
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| b-man | shure | 05:38 |
| theorifice | is rtcomm a replacement for the default 'presence' im application ? | 05:39 |
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| pupnik | me too | 05:39 |
| b-man | heh :) | 05:39 |
| cjdavis2 | theorifice: I think the presence stuff is called galgo | 05:40 |
| cjdavis2 | sorry galago | 05:40 |
| cjdavis2 | I'm actually trying to get it working with the facebook plugin for libpurple | 05:42 |
| cjdavis2 | but I've now managed to install a version of something that borked the msn and aim connections, and it doesnt seem to see the facebook stuff, so I'm going backwards... | 05:43 |
| cjdavis2 | so, anybody know how I can debug this a little more? ie, I can get a debug window in pidgin, is there such a thing with libpurple? | 05:44 |
| b-man | pupnik; windows 98 mirrors: http://gu1337.com/psp-hacks/1298-run-windows-3-1-wiindows95-windows98-your-psp.html | 05:46 |
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| msh | arvo. | 06:00 |
| msh | anyone know, can you see dl stats for an extras repo package that doesn't have a garage page? | 06:01 |
| cjdavis2 | theorifice: heres the specifics on rtcom http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:01 |
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| theorifice | has anyone experienced having the external mmc detected as corrupted on boot but detected fine one removed and inserted (without rebooting) ? | 06:28 |
| zakkm | nope | 06:29 |
| zakkm | how do you know its corrupt at boot? | 06:30 |
| theorifice | It's not. I just get a message that it is. | 06:30 |
| zakkm | it tells you? | 06:30 |
| zakkm | on maemo or pc? | 06:30 |
| theorifice | I don't even have to remove it to have it redetected and automounted. I just need to jiggle the cover | 06:30 |
| theorifice | on maemo n810 | 06:30 |
| zakkm | that is weirdd | 06:31 |
| theorifice | sorry. I assumed that since we're on #maemo that I was talking about maemo .... | 06:31 |
| theorifice | I'll never do that again geez ... | 06:31 |
| theorifice | :p | 06:31 |
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| zakkm | no , i didnt know anything would appear at boot | 06:31 |
| zakkm | its just a GUI ? | 06:31 |
| theorifice | you get a popup message after maemo has booted, similar to the one that tells you that you've connected to a network, etc. | 06:32 |
| zakkm | o | 06:32 |
| zakkm | you sure the partitioning is right on it? | 06:32 |
| theorifice | yep. | 06:33 |
| theorifice | well, It's a single vfat partition on the external mmc | 06:33 |
| theorifice | and again, it's detected fine, once I re-insert it (without rebooting) | 06:34 |
| cjdavis2 | which cover do you jiggle to make it work? | 06:34 |
| solarion | is it me or is battery life much shorter lately? | 06:34 |
| solarion | n810, recently updated | 06:34 |
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| theorifice | that external cover. | 06:35 |
| zakkm | solarion: 43-7 vs 36-5? | 06:35 |
| cjdavis2 | the battery cover? or the mmc cover | 06:35 |
| theorifice | There's probably a switch in there that tells maemo that the cover is open. | 06:35 |
| solarion | zakkm: what are those numbers? | 06:35 |
| theorifice | The mmc cover. | 06:35 |
| cjdavis2 | ya, could be a switch in there, or could be intermittent contact in the socket with the card | 06:36 |
| solarion | I also notice that ogg support that I installed seems to no longer be effective. Is this a known problem? | 06:37 |
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| solarion | zakkm: ah, I grok. Lemme check. | 06:39 |
| pupnik | do the N8x0 batteries allow us to see their 'health'? charge capacity in mAh? | 06:39 |
| solarion | It seems that post-upgrade, it needs recharged every day | 06:39 |
| pupnik | my battery on n810 has been losing juice faster = but before i upgraded | 06:40 |
| pupnik | i also left it in the cold for a while | 06:40 |
| solarion | 23-14 | 06:40 |
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| solarion | zakkm: am I just way behind the times somehow? | 06:41 |
| zakkm | oh wow thats old | 06:42 |
| zakkm | yeahh update | 06:42 |
| solarion | zakkm: what in particular needs updating? | 06:42 |
| solarion | what determines that version number (displayed in the control panel ("About")) | 06:43 |
| zakkm | solaris: Diablo Image | 06:43 |
| solarion | this should be diablo tmk | 06:43 |
| zakkm | wait isnt there a update waiting in application manager? | 06:43 |
| zakkm | it is diablo | 06:43 |
| zakkm | old diablo though | 06:43 |
| solarion | just maemo | 06:43 |
| solarion | erm, mediacenter | 06:44 |
| solarion | I may have horked something with apt-get, iirc | 06:44 |
| solarion | there were a few packages it wanted to autoremove | 06:44 |
| zakkm | i dont know | 06:44 |
| zakkm | your using a very old version though ;p | 06:44 |
| zakkm | i know that much | 06:44 |
| solarion | there was some package or packages that I should re-install | 06:45 |
| solarion | but I forgot what the packages are/were | 06:45 |
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| zakkm | you use Garnet VM? | 06:46 |
| solarion | yes | 06:46 |
| zakkm | you know any good games for it? :) | 06:46 |
| solarion | yeah | 06:46 |
| zakkm | i waited simcity but apparantly it doesnt exist for palm os? | 06:46 |
| solarion | space trader is classic | 06:46 |
| zakkm | wanted* | 06:46 |
| solarion | monopoly sucks my life away | 06:47 |
| zakkm | i was hoping for like tycoon/ simulation/ strategy | 06:47 |
| zakkm | or something | 06:48 |
| Vulcanis | [23:46:35] <zakkm> i waited simcity but apparantly it doesnt exist for palm os? | 06:49 |
| solarion | there's a mercenary game I can't remember | 06:49 |
| Vulcanis | it does | 06:49 |
| Vulcanis | it was shareware | 06:49 |
| Vulcanis | but I'm sure you could steal a serial | 06:49 |
| zakkm | you remember name? | 06:49 |
| solarion | anyone know what the packages that want to be autoremoved are? | 06:49 |
| Vulcanis | zakkm: Sim City | 06:50 |
| zakkm | solarion just do apt-get .. and it would tell you | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | it was from maxis | 06:50 |
| zakkm | theres no palm os version? | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | this was | 06:50 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:50 |
| zakkm | what was name | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | it came from them, and also on the 'games' SD card that palm sold | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | it was called Sim City | 06:50 |
| Vulcanis | it was an official port, as far as I remember | 06:50 |
| zakkm | ahh simcity classic | 06:51 |
| zakkm | ahh its black and white | 06:51 |
| Vulcanis | Yeah | 06:51 |
| Vulcanis | nope | 06:51 |
| Vulcanis | color version | 06:51 |
| Vulcanis | somewhere | 06:51 |
| Vulcanis | hes retarded, AND sheltered. | 06:52 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:52 |
| Vulcanis | wrong window | 06:56 |
| solarion | zakkm: It was a while ago; the packages are already gone. | 06:56 |
| solarion | rootsh apt-get install osso-software-vesion-rx44-unlocked was the package I was thiknking of | 07:04 |
| solarion | hmm Still not showing any updates | 07:06 |
| zakkm | maybe you have to reflash? | 07:06 |
| solarion | probably. Don't know how to trigger that, though | 07:06 |
| solarion | ah, now it's claiming 43-7 | 07:07 |
| solarion | maybe version is on reload. I didn't see anything that looked like a flashing | 07:08 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 09:26 |
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| zakkm | anyone know why maemo wont let me delete the virtual memory/ swap | 09:35 |
| RST38h | because it is being used? | 09:39 |
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| zakkm | oh uh | 09:45 |
| zakkm | should i use fat16 or fat32? | 09:45 |
| disco_stu | zakkm: you should use ext2 | 09:46 |
| disco_stu | :P | 09:46 |
| zakkm | for external sd? | 09:46 |
| disco_stu | fat32 is fine for external sd | 09:46 |
| disco_stu | its 5am here | 09:47 |
| zakkm | its 2;47am here | 09:47 |
| disco_stu | i'll better stop coding and go to sleep | 09:47 |
| disco_stu | see you tomorrow zakkm , happy new year if i dont see ya | 09:48 |
| zakkm | you too | 09:48 |
| disco_stu | :) | 09:48 |
| disco_stu | good night | 09:48 |
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| zakkm | good night | 09:49 |
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| RST38h | qwERTY | 10:14 |
| qwerty12 | rsT38H | 10:14 |
| Vulcanis | uiop | 10:14 |
| RST38h | Terrible truth is out: http://www.securitylab.ru/upload/iblock/30a/30a6901177b3113e84a7cce560874aa0.jpg | 10:15 |
| Vulcanis | what, that Ronald is really a woman? | 10:15 |
| RST38h | And a cannibal. | 10:17 |
| Vulcanis | ... You thought she was human? | 10:18 |
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| orifice-n810 | hmm ... just trying out rtcomm now. It's definitely better integrated than pidgin .... | 10:58 |
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| theorifice | ll | 11:01 |
| johnx | but pidgin actually works for me and rtcomm stuff doesn't | 11:01 |
| orifice-n810 | what have you had trouble with? | 11:01 |
| Vulcanis | pidgin supports encryption *nodnod* | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, rtcomm works for me fine :/. less features but the interface is so much better | 11:02 |
| orifice-n810 | Ive always loved pidgin and the only reason im moving away from it now is because it appears to eat my battery life | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | Except for the contacts program nokia included | 11:02 |
| orifice-n810 | /msg theorifice hah | 11:05 |
| orifice-n810 | Hmmm | 11:05 |
| orifice-n810 | I guess that does not work ... | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | You need to be identified to services iirc to /msg | 11:06 |
| RST38h | johnx | 11:06 |
| * RST38h also prefers pidgin | 11:07 | |
| orifice-n810 | Im pretty sure i registered this nick and identified on lpogin | 11:07 |
| orifice-n810 | *Login | 11:07 |
| RST38h | And I like pidgin ui better | 11:07 |
| orifice-n810 | Does anyone else find pidgin eats battery life? | 11:07 |
| orifice-n810 | Looks like pm only works through the menu: chat - new | 11:09 |
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| johnx | back for real in an hour :P | 11:11 |
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| theorifice | hmmm adding a channel (i.e. #maemo) as a buddy to an irc account appears to crash rtcomm | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | probably tries to add all the people in the channel... | 11:13 |
| qwerty12 | rtcomm sucks for irc though, xchat ftw | 11:13 |
| theorifice | and apparently there are zero bugs for rtcomm at bugs.maemo.org .... | 11:15 |
| theorifice | Ok, I'm about done with rtcomm. | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | oriifice: netierh rtcomm norpidgin are good irc clients | 11:15 |
| RST38h | neither | 11:15 |
| theorifice | I've found pidgin to be usable. | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | install xchat and forget about those two for irc | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Barely (it does not crash) | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | From: horrorcommunityhospital.com <webmaster@horrorcommunityhospital.com> | 11:35 |
| RST38h | (and it is another link exchange site) | 11:35 |
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| x29a_ | geezus c. | 11:42 |
| x29a_ | i got a microSDHC instead of a miniSDHC | 11:42 |
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| x29a | now i need an adapter from micro->mini | 11:42 |
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| RST38h | $3 | 11:53 |
| RST38h | and you will get an extra 1GB card | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Citing "three independent sources close to Apple," one who has "actually held the device," TechCrunch says Apple is planning to release a giant iPod touch device with a seven- or nine-inch screen next fall. | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Be afraid. | 11:54 |
| Vulcanis | ... | 11:54 |
| Vulcanis | 9 inch screen... | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | so its like | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | ______________________________________________________ | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | ______________________________________________________ | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | ? | 11:55 |
| Stslaptop | doesnt fit well in a pocket? | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | fits well in my pants | 11:55 |
| Vulcanis | I think they're going for the UMPC market | 11:55 |
| Stslaptop | probably | 11:55 |
| Stslaptop | or lightweight tablet market, really | 11:56 |
| Vulcanis | isn't that what a UMPC is? | 11:56 |
| Stslaptop | depends | 11:56 |
| Vulcanis | an expensive, underpowered, lightweight tablet? | 11:56 |
| Vulcanis | I mean, if its apple, it will be a pretty, expensive, underpowered, lightweight tablet | 11:56 |
| Stslaptop | true | 11:56 |
| Stslaptop | still, if it was a simple slate tablet, i could consider it as part of my desk/whatever | 11:57 |
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| Vulcanis | except it will be good for nothing but music | 11:57 |
| Vulcanis | web browsing will be slow | 11:57 |
| Vulcanis | everything else will be slow | 11:58 |
| Vulcanis | it will crash | 11:58 |
| Vulcanis | just like the fscking touch :( | 11:58 |
| Stslaptop | true | 11:58 |
| joyious | Hi all, I've got a problem with osso_initialization | 11:58 |
| RST38h | A 9" iPodwill be aimed squarely at the tablet market | 11:59 |
| Vulcanis | reflash | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Same as NIT | 11:59 |
| Vulcanis | wait, what? | 11:59 |
| Vulcanis | RST: Yeah, but 9" doesn't fit in my pocket | 11:59 |
| RST38h | Vulcanis: that is diagonal size, not thickness | 11:59 |
| Vulcanis | I know | 11:59 |
| RST38h | It will fit into your backpack too | 12:00 |
| Vulcanis | if its going in my backpack, something that closes, so it doesn't get scratched to hell by everything else, is preferred | 12:00 |
| joyious | I launch my app from menu, and it just stayed for serveral seconds | 12:00 |
| Vulcanis | esp. if it has a keyboard | 12:00 |
| Vulcanis | screensize is 3.5in for the touch, I thought? | 12:01 |
| Vulcanis | diag | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Apple does not care if you scratch it after paying them the money | 12:01 |
| Vulcanis | yes | 12:01 |
| Vulcanis | but I do | 12:01 |
| Vulcanis | which is why I would not buy it to shove in my fscking backpack | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | but art students might, I guess | 12:02 |
| RST38h | You won't | 12:02 |
| RST38h | But a gazillion of world metrosexuals will. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | And that is all that matters really | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | see! I told you, its not going to be the type of screen we think | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | its going to be long and thin | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | _______________ | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | _______________ | 12:02 |
| Vulcanis | so they can look like men after they shove it down their pants | 12:02 |
| RST38h | It will be 16:9. Your next question? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | If you want the exact dimensions, solve this system of equations: | 12:03 |
| RST38h | w/h = 16/9 | 12:06 |
| RST38h | w^2 + h^2 = 81 | 12:07 |
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| Stslap | ~seen johnx | 12:26 |
| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 15m 34s ago, saying: 'back for real in an hour :P'. | 12:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Haha, wicked. zenmap has an hildon interface, I need to put out working packages soon :) | 12:30 |
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| johnx | the outside world is a terrible cold place O_o | 12:33 |
| Vulcanis | you're late | 12:33 |
| Vulcanis | [05:26:54] <infobot> johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 15m 34s ago, saying: 'back for real in an hour :P'. | 12:33 |
| johnx | fashionably late | 12:33 |
| johnx | hey RST38h :D | 12:35 |
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| Stslap | hey johnx | 12:45 |
| Stslap | had a good xmas? | 12:45 |
| johnx | ahaha | 12:45 |
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| johnx | not so much. but I'm good now | 12:45 |
| Stslap | *nod* | 12:46 |
| Stslap | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz btw | 12:46 |
| Stslap | repository is down until i go and restart it .. :P | 12:46 |
| Stslap | (boots into hildon without rescue menu needed, wifi drivers OK) | 12:47 |
| Stslap | fsck bug fixed | 12:47 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: what time were you proposing the sprint meeting for? 1900 or 2000 UTC? | 13:28 |
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| alterego | http://pastie.org/349618 | 14:14 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: nice | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | What's the performance of Ruby like? | 14:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, I think it's a little more friendly than the Python loader :) | 14:17 |
| alterego | It's comparable to Python. | 14:17 |
| * Jaffa is still searching for the perfect dev environment for Maemo. It's probably somewhere between Java, Vala, Python and (now) Ruby | 14:17 | |
| alterego | Hah | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | alterego: you got anything like the python-launcher yet? | 14:17 |
| alterego | No, that is next on my list. | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | cool | 14:18 |
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| Stslap | back | 14:32 |
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| johnx | so when's the snow gonna hit you guys? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | saturday | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | our most snowy periods are really in feb-mar-april | 14:33 |
| johnx | wow. into april? | 14:34 |
| johnx | I wonder if I'll even see snow this year | 14:34 |
| Stslap | its moist and cold enough there i guess | 14:34 |
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| johnx | nah, not cold enough | 14:34 |
| johnx | 10C+ so far | 14:35 |
| johnx | errr...wait, that's not right. | 14:35 |
| * johnx still thinks in fahrenheit | 14:35 | |
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| johnx | ah, well nevermind, down to 1C by friday | 14:35 |
| johnx | hmm | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:35 |
| * Stskeeps runs the import packages script | 14:36 | |
| johnx | awesome. I'll grab that new image and unpack it | 14:36 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hopes his hacks to xchat source to build in sb work on your builder :) | 14:36 | |
| * johnx sighs contentedly. beer+chips+real computer+hacking = relaxing christmas eve | 14:39 | |
| johnx | s/christmas/new year's/ | 14:39 |
| johnx | <- fails | 14:39 |
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| * Stskeeps rebuilds him | 14:44 | |
| * alterego contemplates what to do now. | 14:44 | |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, python isn't fast enough, ruby is rudimentary-ishly useless, vala is a joke, and java lacks decent support | 14:45 |
| alterego | I can continue making the packaging better, improve the plugin loader, write documentation or write examples. | 14:45 |
| alterego | O_o | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: did openjdk work better under debian on tablets? what is the big issue about openjdk on tablet anyway? :P | 14:46 |
| alterego | Ruby is useless? | 14:46 |
| alterego | So I've wasted all this time for nothing?! | 14:46 |
| * alterego weeps. | 14:46 | |
| Stskeeps | hate when that happens, eh :P | 14:46 |
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| crashanddie | C++ is so slow during compilation (on the device) that it's ridiculous, only C is a decent competitor :P | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | you dont want to compile on device | 14:46 |
| * alterego remote compiles on a server and scp's to device. | 14:47 | |
| crashanddie | say that to lcuk :P | 14:47 |
| alterego | That's cloud computing for you :D | 14:47 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, definitely not with c++ :) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i got convinced after waiting for gtk to compile.. | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | alterego, not an option without connectivity | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | gtk is plain C, not C++ | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | :P | 14:48 |
| johnx | c++ soaked up the rest of 1GB of RAM and 512MB of swap on my desktop and triggered the OOM killer | 14:48 |
| johnx | ...when compiling qt 4.5 | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 14:48 |
| * Stskeeps has problems getting gconf2-6 going | 14:48 | |
| crashanddie | but that's because there's a loophole johnx | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | on sdk | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | while [ $USER -eq "johnx" ] memplusplus; | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | do done!! | 14:49 |
| alterego | Where's solmumaha I want to show him how easy it is to write Ruby home plugins now. | 14:49 |
| johnx | heh...does that install more RAM to my machine? | 14:49 |
| johnx | aaaawesome | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | johnx, nope, just uses one meg at each iteration | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | don't know mempluplus? Insane app ;) | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, take care, have a good one tonight everyone | 14:50 |
| alterego | Hmm, BRB | 14:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | bye crashanddie | 14:50 |
| johnx | 'night crashanddie. | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | can anyone explain to me why the bloody hell nokia has a libgconf2-6 instead of libconf2-4? :P | 14:52 |
| johnx | oh, sad. the thread titled "viewing websites is painful" isn't actually talking about physical discomfort :( | 14:52 |
| johnx | err...hmm | 14:52 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:52 |
| alterego | Yes, I find that too. Especially when laying in bed. | 14:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, if you catch this, you may find http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220028#post220028 useful. but stop being a lazy bastard & setup sbox :p | 14:53 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: note that the gconf N uses is based on dbus, while the common one uses corba | 14:53 |
| johnx | alterego, I was hoping for: "when I view websites my tablet stabs a small syringe into my hand. is this normal?" | 14:54 |
| alterego | johnx: :) | 14:54 |
| alterego | Yes, my problem is posture :) | 14:54 |
| WolfSage | johnx, Nokia has a Heroin tablet? | 14:54 |
| WolfSage | I imagine that'd be a strong seller | 14:55 |
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| johnx | WolfSage, yeah, free trial included. ask your local dealer :D | 14:55 |
| WolfSage | Sweet | 14:55 |
| johnx | "Nokia. the first one's always free." | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: ah. that explains it | 14:56 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: thanks for that tidbit :) | 14:56 |
| WolfSage | "Nokia. Hooked. For life." | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: the tablets do have a addictive property.. | 14:56 |
| johnx | alterego, yeah, I prefer reading in bed with fbreader set to 90degree rotation | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm astonished my gf hasn't thrown mine into the wall yet | 14:56 |
| WolfSage | Lol, that bad Sts? | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | .. then again, she has quite a bad "the west wing" addiction | 14:56 |
| johnx | heh. I'm lucky. my wife enjoys watching hacking as a spectator sport :D | 14:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:57 |
| alterego | That is lucky. | 14:57 |
| johnx | just as long as she gets to heckle me :P | 14:57 |
| WolfSage | "no, you fool, nmap -sS!" | 14:58 |
| WolfSage | I just can't picture it... | 14:58 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:58 |
| johnx | I think she just enjoys my frustration and cursing when I mess up | 14:59 |
| johnx | really, I don't get it either. I just know I'm keeping her :) | 14:59 |
| WolfSage | Hehehe, good call | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | i was sold after my gf suggested we should have surround sound in our new apartment | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:02 |
| WolfSage | Hell yeah :D | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | "oh i saw this thing in the commercials.." | 15:02 |
| WolfSage | I have a tiny bedroom and I hooked it up with speakers on the walls in each corner and a sub in the center under the TV | 15:02 |
| WolfSage | 's like being in a theatre | 15:02 |
| johnx | lulz. I can't even figure out where on my floor speakers would go | 15:03 |
| johnx | I guess I could hang them from the wall or something, but I'm renting :/ | 15:03 |
| WolfSage | I'm renting a room in a house of a friend right now, as long as I fix it when I'm done, she basically is letting me do what I want with it | 15:04 |
| * johnx can't be bothered to put in the effort | 15:04 | |
| WolfSage | Wasn't in there a week and I was screwing shelves into the walls for the speakers... | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | the people doing these dorms came up with the solution of wooden bars nearby the roof, so they can easily replace those, and allow people to drill into it and stuff | 15:05 |
| johnx | ahaha...so that was what those things were in college O_o | 15:05 |
| WolfSage | Nice | 15:05 |
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| timeless | anyone here speak fr-CA ? | 15:10 |
| timeless | (or sympathize with those who do) | 15:11 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:11 |
| johnx | I have a fiend who speaks a little. but I think his primary language is en-CA | 15:11 |
| timeless | he'll do | 15:11 |
| timeless | supposing he buys a device in Quebec | 15:12 |
| johnx | ok. should I hand him my n800? | 15:12 |
| timeless | and configures it to fr-CA | 15:12 |
| timeless | and supposing the device can automatically setup a secondary keyboard layout | 15:12 |
| timeless | (in addition to the primary fr-CA) | 15:12 |
| timeless | should it be: | 15:12 |
| timeless | it-IT | 15:12 |
| timeless | es-ES | 15:12 |
| timeless | pt-BR | 15:12 |
| timeless | en-GB | 15:12 |
| timeless | en-US | 15:12 |
| timeless | ru-RU | 15:13 |
| timeless | .. | 15:13 |
| timeless | obviously only two of those might make sense | 15:13 |
| johnx | for him? jp-JP | 15:13 |
| timeless | but try to pretend i'm not biased | 15:13 |
| timeless | johnx: bah | 15:13 |
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| timeless | for his average neighbors | 15:13 |
| johnx | like me? | 15:13 |
| johnx | jp-JP | 15:13 |
| timeless | the question is what would a reasonable expectation be | 15:13 |
| timeless | .... grr | 15:13 |
| timeless | if you were in Quebec | 15:13 |
| timeless | and you saw someone buying a device | 15:13 |
| timeless | and the someone was from Quebec | 15:13 |
| timeless | and didn't speak jp or anything similarly "interesting" | 15:14 |
| timeless | which secondary layout should it pick? | 15:14 |
| johnx | yar, en-CA and fr-CA seem to make the most sense unless I'm missing something subtle | 15:14 |
| WolfSage | en-us | 15:14 |
| johnx | is there an en-CA? | 15:14 |
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| timeless | no | 15:15 |
| timeless | your only choices are en-US and en-GB | 15:15 |
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| timeless | if there was an en-CA, i wouldn't be asking :) | 15:15 |
| johnx | that's a good one. I'll ask him tomorrow | 15:15 |
| johnx | I'd be tempted to say en-GB though | 15:16 |
| WolfSage | You think they'd be more familiar with en-GB than en-US? | 15:16 |
| timeless | keep in mind, this is keylayout | 15:16 |
| timeless | not ui text | 15:16 |
| WolfSage | True. | 15:16 |
| timeless | i'm not saying which is the right answer | 15:16 |
| timeless | i honestly don't know | 15:16 |
| timeless | but i suspect that just guessing wrong | 15:17 |
| johnx | aaah | 15:17 |
| WolfSage | I'd say en-us, because of their proximity to the US... but that may not be a good enough reason | 15:17 |
| timeless | s/wrong/is wrong/ | 15:17 |
| johnx | keylayout, right...tough, but guess in that case en-US | 15:17 |
| infobot | timeless meant: but i suspect that just guessing is wrong | 15:17 |
| timeless | yeah, that's my barely educated guess | 15:17 |
| timeless | note that i have no idea what the distinctions are between the two layouts | 15:18 |
| johnx | he's never bitched about his US qwerty laptop | 15:18 |
| timeless | most likely they're approximately the ones you'd see in your n800 | 15:18 |
| timeless | you're welcome to actually give him the n800 to confirm | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok, my wireless AP was stolen from my old dorm.. 3 months later, it calls back from my friggen hometown | 15:19 |
| johnx | in terms of physical fullsize keyboards en-US and en-GB have a couple really odd little differences | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | i so feel like going with a bat.. | 15:19 |
| johnx | it took 3 months for them to set it up? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 15:19 |
| johnx | O_o | 15:19 |
| johnx | they sound dumb enough to be dangerous | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | it called back on 2nd of dec though, and i couldn't ssh to it, sadly | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, it's not active right now) | 15:20 |
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| johnx | ah, sad | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | pondering to set up a trap though | 15:20 |
| WolfSage | Calls back? Was that the intended purpose of whatever you set up to do that? | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, it was intentionally set up like that | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | it did dyndns and it calls a web server for initialization commands :P | 15:22 |
| johnx | ah, but not intentionally setup to catch potential thieves, right? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | not intentionally, but the new ap i set up has :P | 15:23 |
| WolfSage | I mean, was that the intended purpose of the application as you used it ;) | 15:24 |
| WolfSage | Neat though | 15:24 |
| johnx | so..."go over there with a bat"...you got an address out of it? | 15:24 |
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| johnx | You can barely get within 15k of my place by the IP I'm pretty sure | 15:25 |
| johnx | km that is... | 15:25 |
| WolfSage | Good enough for a nuke! | 15:25 |
| johnx | it's *his own* hometown :P | 15:25 |
| WolfSage | Sometime sacrifices must be made. | 15:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I want to see mer final first though :p | 15:28 |
| johnx | a dead man's switch that eventually runs on an imaging reversing/blurring proxy seems like about the right level of annoyance for a stolen $50 AP | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: was a 100$ ap in this case, so im kinda annoyed :P | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i got an IP out of it, and the definate area of the IP.. my brother used to live there | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, if you can ssh into it, play with the iptables rules so it redirects the thief to goatse | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: sadly i can't ssh into it right now, don't think it's active | 15:30 |
| WolfSage | Sts, send me a plane ticket, I own a few bats, and I can possibly get out of the country before anyone finds out ;) | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, damn :( | 15:30 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, so which is better? every image on every page replaced with goatse? or every 10th image? | 15:30 |
| WolfSage | Stskeeps, if it comes up, I suppose you can SSH in, get the MAC, then drive around with a laptop and locate it? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | dont use goatse, use a nice big red "Heylp, Heylp I has been catnapped" | 15:31 |
| johnx | if it was setup with WPA I bet they haven't even got a computer connected to it. that's probably why they unplugged it and either 1) reflashed it or 2) sold it/pawned it | 15:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, i'm thinking http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html :) | 15:32 |
| johnx | lcuk, people leeching inet get da cat. people stealing APs get the goat :P | 15:32 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, I don't want to click on that, do I? | 15:32 |
| WolfSage | I dunno, I'd just proxy everything through my own server and get all their info | 15:32 |
| WolfSage | Then destroy them. | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, it's fine, you have my word (if you trust it :)) | 15:33 |
| lcuk | hahahaha qwerty | 15:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah yeah. that's the one I was thinking of | 15:33 |
| lcuk | johnx, its fine | 15:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Shame my new router sucks, with my old one, i could exec iptables :D | 15:35 |
| johnx | mmm...wrt54g w/ tomato firmware | 15:36 |
| johnx | lulz...up since the last time my wife knocked out the power :) | 15:36 |
| WolfSage | Huh, never tried Tomato, would you recommend it? | 15:37 |
| johnx | yes. so much yes. really slick web interface | 15:37 |
| johnx | and fast and stable | 15:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No wrt supports my old one but netgear let you make your own images + a toolchain is available for it :). It took me a week but i got snmpd with integration in the web interface :) | 15:38 |
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| johnx | huh...wonder why it's not supported by openwrt or similar | 15:38 |
| WolfSage | I may have to try that then. | 15:38 |
| WolfSage | I don't really have any complaints with linksys' firmware... minus the AP going down in the middle of my gaming sessions lately... | 15:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, don't think there is support for the broadcomm chip it uses :/ | 15:39 |
| johnx | hmm...hasn't stopped openwrt on the wrt54g/gl. I think they're stuck on 2.4 | 15:39 |
| johnx | they might not want to pick up any more lost causes though and I wouldn't blame them | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | lost causes? | 15:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, if i really need something done, I just compile it myself and get to hacking on qwerty12.cgi :) | 15:41 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, lost causes: 1) trying to run a modern distro on 2.4 or 2) trying to reverse engineer close drivers and make new ones for 2.6 | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know it needed binary drivers | 15:42 |
| WolfSage | Ahhh, doesn't look like tomato will work with my WRT300N =\ | 15:42 |
| GAN8001 | Tomato is so much better than ddwrt. For a variety of technical and political reasons. ;) | 15:42 |
| johnx | Option 1) is a good way to go insane. And option 2) is a good way to spend a couple years of weekends | 15:42 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, openwrt webpage claims the wireless is supported now | 15:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wireless? who'd 'ave thought it? | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | should I take pride in beating a 6 year old at "cars" racing :D | 16:00 |
| johnx | ahaha...yes | 16:00 |
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| johnx | but if you do, he won't sleep until he's good enough to beat you | 16:01 |
| lcuk | no, he just cried and turned off the wii \@/ | 16:01 |
| johnx | ah sad :( | 16:01 |
| johnx | where's that fighting spirit? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | not really hes a grump for no good reason | 16:01 |
| johnx | he'll be back later practicing though I bet :) | 16:02 |
| lcuk | he is already | 16:02 |
| lcuk | momentary lapse for him, hes racing a more worthy challenger now (tracy) | 16:03 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 16:03 |
| lcuk | hows your xmas gone so far john, did you get mega drunk and pass out in a gutter somewhere | 16:03 |
| johnx | ahahah...I didn't have the best christmas ever. but I'm making up for it | 16:04 |
| lcuk | good good | 16:04 |
| lcuk | you shouldv dressed up as santa and terrorized the locals | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | that's what he meant by "didn't have the best xmas ever", he got nicked by the army whilst trying to steal a policecar for the 52nd time | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, taken in by the foreign legion | 16:09 |
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| johnx | heh...I'd rather steal a taxi here than a police car | 16:10 |
| johnx | any high speed chase is doomed to fail with those FWD eco-boxes | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | lol | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | you're better off stealing a car from a 20yo in a dark alley | 16:10 |
| johnx | 20yo here don't even own cars except maybe in the country | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | so the fast and furious was a liiiiiiiiiiiie??? | 16:12 |
| johnx | ah, no of course not. and I highly recommend that you come over here and drive like that. :) | 16:13 |
| johnx | Just tell me in advance so I can video tape it :D | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | I might actually come over before the year is oer | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | over** | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | well | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | 2009 that is | 16:14 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, off again | 16:15 |
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| johnx | fun fun. if you're in the tokyo area before april. look me up :) | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | johnx, will do | 16:16 |
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| * Stskeeps sends off an abuse email with no hope of it being answered. | 16:30 | |
| lardman | cu chaps, have a nice New Year's Eve | 16:30 |
| lardman | see you next year :) | 16:30 |
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| konttori | Nice. I've setup a ftp server on my n800 and I'm transferring content to it not at 400 KB/s. | 16:39 |
| konttori | pretty decent. Has anyone tested what's the theoretical throughput of n800/n810? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think i've seen it at maybe a mb, but not sure | 16:40 |
| johnx | and I wonder if it depends on wireless encryption | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it isn't likely to be accelerated is it? | 16:41 |
| konttori | probably true johnx | 16:41 |
| johnx | could swear I've seen it just about as fast over scp/sftp | 16:41 |
| * konttori has no clue whether it's the processor or some dsp doing the decryption/encrption of wlan traffic | 16:41 | |
| johnx | unless lardman has been mucking about I'd bet it's on the CPU :) | 16:43 |
| konttori | Hmm... anyway, I'm wondering on whether I should publish the ftp server. I know all devs us scp, but the rest of people are probably using usb connection to transfer all files. | 16:45 |
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| konttori | johnx: do you think it would be worth it? | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think solmumaha has posted proftpd somewhere | 16:46 |
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| johnx | konttori, I have no idea. :) that's why I said "I wonder if ..." | 16:46 |
| konttori | I was checking from maemo.org, but didn't find any | 16:46 |
| johnx | I'm interested, but it's fast enough for me | 16:46 |
| konttori | I'll be going (naturally) to a new years ball soonish, but I'll write up some UI to the server tomorrow and then publish it (you know, like setting username / pass, setting read or readwrite access, and telling user the IP of the device (again, most people probably don't know that) | 16:48 |
| johnx | it's nice to have it all in one place | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: new hildon-desktop-env and him up | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ever since I installed avahi-daemon, i've kissed goodbye to remembering my N800's ip :) | 16:49 |
| johnx | any time I avoid the terminal on the n800 is a happy time | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the gui sounds cool | 16:49 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, awesome, will get moving on that stuff...maybe after midnight :) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:49 |
| johnx | hey, anyone want to know what 2009 is like? I can get you guys a sneak peak :D | 16:50 |
| WolfSage | Any brighter? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's "sleepy hollow" foggy outside right now | 16:50 |
| WolfSage | Snowing here | 16:50 |
| johnx | brighter...it's uh...midnight | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | yesterday both my home ISP and my mobile ISP was down. that freaked me out. | 16:50 |
| konttori | qwerty12_N800: ah, true. avahi rocks | 16:50 |
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| johnx | heh...and people's zunes are dying en masse | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | lemmings? | 16:51 |
| WolfSage | johnx, not what I meant =P | 16:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, ah, for that I stick with static DHCP :) | 16:51 |
| johnx | back in 10, after midnight :) | 16:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, on my old router I had static ip's set... | 16:52 |
| pupnik | konttori: what throughput do you get with ftp? | 16:52 |
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| pupnik | roughly | 16:52 |
| konttori | 409 KB/s | 16:52 |
| lcuk | johnx, sorry for running, more tantrums (little one is so over tired today, ive told him he can sleep for a whole year soon) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | hiya konttori | 16:53 |
| konttori | hi | 16:53 |
| lcuk | good xmas? | 16:53 |
| pupnik | oh i thought you were *not* getting 400kb/s.. nm | 16:53 |
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| konttori | lcuk: I did, how about you? | 16:54 |
| konttori | I still have 2 weeks of vacation. sweet. | 16:54 |
| lcuk | jammy git! had a great time trying with family n stuff, thought about a lot of code | 16:55 |
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| johnx | woowoo! happy new years to anyone in JST! | 17:02 |
| lcuk | happy new year johnx! hope this ones good for you | 17:03 |
| johnx | yeah, counting on some better luck :D | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | happy new year :) | 17:04 |
| johnx | thanks :D | 17:04 |
| * johnx cracks open another beer and looks at the new mer stuffs :D | 17:04 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | /who *.jp lists a lot :D | 17:04 |
| * konttori loves flex: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/media/flexapp/ | 17:05 | |
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| lcuk | oooh konttori | 17:08 |
| Veggen | konttori: I'm of the opinion that binary browserplugins are mostly bad. | 17:09 |
| konttori | Veggen: idea behind flex is that you can also build apps with it. | 17:11 |
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| Jaffa | Looks perfect for writing video playing apps *cough* | 17:11 |
| konttori | and flex is 100% opensource | 17:11 |
| lcuk | veggen, what if it was a binary runtime without the browser? | 17:12 |
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| konttori | and also, the idea is of course that the apps run the same on windows, osx and linux. | 17:12 |
| Veggen | lcuk: as I said - most cases :) There are exceptions, and browser plugins - open ones, that is - are often a good alternative to binary runtimes. | 17:12 |
| lcuk | what if you want something *like* coverslow, but not quite the same, im sure its not quite as simple to breakdown and modify | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | konttori: it's open source? | 17:13 |
| konttori | Jaffa: yeah | 17:13 |
| konttori | http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/?promoid=BPDEQ | 17:13 |
| lcuk | heh @ freudian, i meant "coverflow" | 17:13 |
| Veggen | Linux/mac/Windows are not much better than just Mac/Windows. I'm not satisfied with just getting the closed stuff for Linux too. | 17:14 |
| * konttori is planning - you see - to also slightly check out other dev envs on this vacation period. | 17:14 | |
| lcuk | good for you konttori :) thats exactly what ive been doing | 17:14 |
| * lcuk does anyone have any experience with opengl and lines by the way, theres an inbuilt limitation in clutter which means i cannot draw anything | 17:15 | |
| derf | Yes. | 17:16 |
| lcuk | oooh | 17:16 |
| lcuk | derf, thats very good to know, over the next few days could i bend your ear about a few matters and possibly tease a few examples from you | 17:17 |
| lcuk | because my googling came up lacking | 17:17 |
| derf | Sure, if I'm here. | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | theres also an opengl in gtk library somewhere which gives a direct opengl surface within a standard gtk widget | 17:17 |
| lcuk | i half spotted something when i was talking to pippin the other day | 17:18 |
| derf | gtkglext | 17:18 |
| lcuk | thats the one :D, thanks derf | 17:18 |
| lcuk | now i wonder whether those will be compatible to drop in m5, i should be able to test with the pre-alpha kit shouldnt i | 17:19 |
| derf | Gekk if I know :). | 17:19 |
| lcuk | its worth a look anyway, if i can get really really fast line drawing by using gl then im 90% of the way there | 17:20 |
| derf | gtkglext isn't using anything more than the glx extensions for X11. | 17:20 |
| derf | I don't actually know if OpenGL ES provides those in a normal manner. | 17:20 |
| lcuk | yeah ill find out | 17:20 |
| lcuk | thats something that can be worked round though, as long as the GL used is minimal and simplistic its not unrealistic to allow targeting to both libraries | 17:21 |
| konttori | lcuk: you might also be able to check out the qgraphicsview as that does have opengl accelerated rendering of pretty much the same stuff cairo has. | 17:22 |
| derf | The answer, apparently, is no. | 17:23 |
| lcuk | but the performance in cairo on 8x0 isnt up to snuff. its the same problem im finding with any variation in library im trying. time and again liqbase routines beat the pants of things | 17:23 |
| derf | It uses something called EGL instead of GLX. | 17:24 |
| lcuk | ooooer | 17:24 |
| lcuk | thats not good | 17:24 |
| lcuk | do we think mplayer will run on the new device? | 17:24 |
| lcuk | ie another native xv drawing application | 17:25 |
| johnx | if someone doesn't implement xv, whether it's the pandora guys or the beagle guys or the Nokia guys I will leave IRC and cry in the corner of my apt O_o | 17:27 |
| johnx | you can count on having a decently fast xv implementation | 17:27 |
| lcuk | and if things like autorotation or some funky ogl app switcher is needed it can be done in the same way it currently is in linux main. ie automatic offscreen rendering and texturization and blitting wherever by the OS | 17:29 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm really eager to see whether they're really planning to composite the whole GUI | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah. midway. | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | MIDAS/gstreamer'll need xv, won't it? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | well theres a lot of apps which will write to xv, theres simply no benefit in media codecs decoding movie to YUV, then converting to RGB for display by clutter, then rendering to the screen | 17:31 |
| lcuk | your battery would drop like nobodies business | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: it'll do window manager, task launcher, task switcher, home view, status menu/area, desktop notifications | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | basically replacing matchbox (with mb2) and replacing hildon-desktop | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's the clutter part | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you seen some packages for it already? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: not yet, but this is on fremantle maemo roadmap.. | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | by qgil, so pretty authorative | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | and everything in source i've seen points to the same | 17:32 |
| johnx | ah, well, ok | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | and it makes sense on a mobile device :P | 17:34 |
| johnx | you mean to not composite everything? | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | well, X apps render into some area anyway :P | 17:35 |
| * Stskeeps generates v0.5 | 17:35 | |
| * johnx drinks beer 2.0 | 17:36 | |
| Stskeeps | future beer? ;> | 17:36 |
| johnx | heh, think someplace is ahead of me | 17:37 |
| johnx | Australia maybe? | 17:37 |
| johnx | yeah, I give up on useful code output for tonight. sorry to disappoint ... | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's fine | 17:37 |
| * lcuk keeps an eye on johnx | 17:38 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to take some time out of the loop the next 10 days at least | 17:38 |
| johnx | yeah, I'll come up to speed tomorrow night, but for now I'm decompressing from the whole damn month of december O_o | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i know, been rough for me too | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: oh btw, i finally got mb-2 compiling | 18:06 |
| johnx | ah, fun stuff | 18:07 |
| johnx | was it something interesting? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | didn't try it yet honestly, but the issue was mostly that the libraries it needed wasn't in jaunty just yet at the first point | 18:07 |
| woglinde | ji | 18:08 |
| woglinde | jo | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | it has clutter abilities, which is what tipped me off to why it was there, so | 18:08 |
| woglinde | hi johnx | 18:08 |
| woglinde | johnx how many hoors at your side? | 18:08 |
| johnx | hey woglinde | 18:09 |
| johnx | 'til midnight? -1:09 :) | 18:09 |
| woglinde | ahaha | 18:09 |
| woglinde | sorry | 18:09 |
| johnx | I'm in the future :) | 18:09 |
| johnx | ask me what it's like if you're curious | 18:09 |
| johnx | I should be able to make some predictions | 18:09 |
| woglinde | hm 7 to go here | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: did the world go under financially yet? ;> | 18:10 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I haven't even been *out* in the world for 12 hours yet :P | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:10 |
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| johnx | I just know the zunes are jumping ship from this mortal coil | 18:10 |
| johnx | like rats from a 19th century ship | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, which is hillarious | 18:11 |
| johnx | it's a bad sign | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | i would be pretty pissed if retu chip started dying on newyears too though | 18:11 |
| johnx | heh...but they didn't | 18:11 |
| johnx | they died before the 31st | 18:11 |
| johnx | they committed prospective suicide | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:12 |
| johnx | it's the "rats jumping a sinking ship" theory :D they'd rather be dead than on in their users' hands | 18:12 |
| johnx | anyways, I should catch some sleep, got some traveling and visiting to do tomorrow. so happy new year's to all :D | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 18:13 |
| johnx | 'night | 18:13 |
| * johnx sleeps | 18:13 | |
| woglinde | nite johnx | 18:17 |
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| woglinde | hi qwerty | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | hi woglinde | 18:24 |
| woglinde | qwerty no party? | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, nope :). Don't think people like a qwerty who is pissed off at his rootfs not mounting :) | 18:25 |
| woglinde | qwerty nah | 18:25 |
| woglinde | celebrate new year and it will fix it self | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | :D. I'm in windows atm anyway, forget linux :P | 18:26 |
| lcuk | if anyone is in contact with KotCzarny please pass on new year tidings from me. hes been dark since he went home | 18:26 |
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| Stslaptop | f*king powersupply | 18:37 |
| Stslaptop | is all hw dying today or something? | 18:37 |
| b-man | wireless is crummy for me today :p | 18:40 |
| b-man | ;) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Thank god for subtitle synchers... | 18:41 |
| woglinde | qwerty? | 18:42 |
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| woglinde | hm I will watch some episodes of one piece today | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, watching the Matrix again on my tablet and the volume sucks and all the subtitles out there aren't synched with the sound. found a program and it did the job in only a few clicks :) | 18:43 |
| b-man | one piece? | 18:43 |
| b-man | i think i know that show :) | 18:43 |
| woglinde | b-man yeah a popular anime series | 18:43 |
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| b-man | i use to watch it all the time.... | 18:47 |
| woglinde | hehe | 18:48 |
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| leachim6 | I need to convert my PDF ebooks to PDB | 18:49 |
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| woglinde | google didnt find it? | 18:49 |
| leachim6 | actually no | 18:49 |
| leachim6 | all the ways didn't work | 18:50 |
| leachim6 | it was pdf to html or pdf to text | 18:50 |
| woglinde | your pdf has drm? | 18:50 |
| leachim6 | but no way to convert to palmdoc | 18:50 |
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| b-man | ahhhh, i keep getting a damn network timeout when trying to acsess repository.mer.tspre.org, wifi sucks today. >:( | 18:57 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stslap: mer repo down? | 19:01 |
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| disco_stu | any python guy around ? | 19:10 |
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| woglinde | not really | 19:11 |
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| b-man | heh | 19:12 |
| orifice_work1 | try #python .... | 19:12 |
| disco_stu | its a pymaemo question.. but i think i found the answer.. | 19:12 |
| woglinde | hehe | 19:14 |
| woglinde | enlight us too | 19:14 |
| disco_stu | wow.. maemowordpy is 4300 lines of code | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | yerga must be one dedicated python coder : | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | ) | 19:15 |
| disco_stu | i talked to him.. it helped me with maemo menus | 19:16 |
| Stslap | r2d2rogers: power supply problems | 19:16 |
| Stslap | going to replace it tomorrow | 19:16 |
| b-man | cdeb2 i believe has over 5,000 lines.... if i can recall. | 19:17 |
| b-man | i worked on it for months... | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | from the good developer techniques that is shit | 19:17 |
| r2d2rogers | Stslap: cool, been there before | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | the hole thing should me modular | 19:17 |
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| b-man | disco_stu; meh, it was a learn-sa-you-go kinda thing so :P | 19:18 |
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| Stslap | r2d2rogers: got full backup of everything though, so im not -that- worried :P | 19:18 |
| b-man | edit; as | 19:19 |
| disco_stu | b-man: i know.. with pymaemo im on the exact same position | 19:19 |
| r2d2rogers | Stslap: that's good, I hated it when I lots my backup drive, but I wasn't treating it smart... USB enclosure in backpack knocked around too much | 19:20 |
| b-man | the problem with cdeb2 is that it relyed on permissions wayyyy too much. | 19:20 |
| disco_stu | but doing small things.. once you get over 200 lines.. you need to do some engineering | 19:20 |
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| Stslap | r2d2rogers: i lost pictures since 2003 when i moved my backup disk (while remaking my file server), from one building to another.. and dropped it on the sidewalk | 19:20 |
| Stslap | cos the bag broke | 19:20 |
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| Stslap | after that, i put up very sane backup :P | 19:21 |
| r2d2rogers | ouch | 19:21 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah | 19:21 |
| r2d2rogers | I should have when I dropped a HDD on getting out of my car at work in 2000 | 19:21 |
| Stslap | on the other hand, it made me able to forget about some memories with some ex gfs/flames :) | 19:21 |
| r2d2rogers | bonus ;) | 19:21 |
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| woglinde | re qwerty | 19:22 |
| qwerty12_1 | hi woglinde | 19:23 |
| qwerty12_1 | I've never had a dvd drive before that refuses to open unless you press the eject button ~20 times 0_0 | 19:23 |
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| b-man | disco_stu; it was way to dependent on cdeb2.conf on being root:root and that was it's downfall - allmost every line of code depended on cdeb2.conf. But i admit, it was shitty. ;) | 19:24 |
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| disco_stu | b-man: thats a bad design | 19:26 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12: pressing 20 times or pressing and hold for some seconds ? | 19:26 |
| Stslap | mm. it will definately be interesting to see what ways there'll be to use "standard" apps in hildon, when suddenly the non-hildon app repository explodes | 19:26 |
| qwerty12_1 | disco_stu, pressing | 19:26 |
| b-man | i know :P, i could have done way better. ;p | 19:26 |
| disco_stu | b-man: of course.. we are so lazy in terms of designing | 19:27 |
| disco_stu | we just want to code | 19:27 |
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| b-man | heh :) | 19:27 |
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| * Stslap ponders idly how to convince the gf to watch some sci-fi tonight | 19:29 | |
| r2d2rogers | Stslap: pick scio fi that's not obvious? | 19:30 |
| r2d2rogers | what does she like? | 19:31 |
| * r2d2rogers just got Dr. Horrible for Christmas | 19:31 | |
| b-man | lol | 19:31 |
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| woglinde | re qwerty | 19:32 |
| qwerty12_ | hi again :D | 19:32 |
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| woglinde | laggy connecntion | 19:32 |
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| bakarat | on maemo (n810), when i do "sudo" it asks for a pass, what is the default pass? | 19:51 |
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| Jaffa | There isn't one. | 19:52 |
| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | ~root | 19:52 |
| infobot | from memory, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. | 19:52 |
| woglinde | hi jaffa | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | ~gainroot | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | ~becomeroot | 19:52 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, becomeroot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 19:52 |
| bakarat | i don't want to use root as an account, but i would like sudo ;) | 19:52 |
| b-man | install rootsh. | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | bakarat: see that URL in the wiki | 19:52 |
| bakarat | having a look :> | 19:53 |
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| Veggen | once you have become root, you can always modify /etc/sudoers to your liking. dvs. add, not a good idea to remove the system added stuff :) | 19:54 |
| Veggen | but, time for new year party :) | 19:54 |
| b-man | HAPPY NEWYEAR!!!! 2009!!!! | 19:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i knew intrepid was a pos, booted hardy off a live cd and it mounted the rootfs fine, onetime. Now i've got a clean maemo on my mmc :) | 20:05 |
| b-man | heh, i'm trying to jet jaunty to boot on my tablet using mer components. :) | 20:09 |
| b-man | edit; get | 20:09 |
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| bakarat1 | What is the default password for the 'user'? | 20:21 |
| bakarat1 | For ssh | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | There is no password | 20:23 |
| bakarat1 | So i can only ssh in via root account? | 20:24 |
| solmumaha | you can passwd user as root | 20:28 |
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| GAN800 | Hi, yerga. :) | 20:30 |
| yerga | hey, evening! | 20:30 |
| disco_stu | hellwolf: Hi | 20:30 |
| disco_stu | y mean.. | 20:30 |
| disco_stu | yerga: Hi :) | 20:30 |
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| bakarat3 | I'd rather not ssh using root account; can i adduser a user, put him in users group, log in and expect full access? | 20:50 |
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| bakarat3 | Anyone? | 20:59 |
| woglinde | bakarat root access or normal acces? | 21:00 |
| bakarat3 | Well mostly regular access | 21:01 |
| woglinde | ssh user@moo | 21:01 |
| woglinde | before | 21:01 |
| woglinde | sudo gainroot | 21:01 |
| woglinde | passwd user | 21:01 |
| woglinde | on the tablet | 21:01 |
| bakarat3 | Ah setting a password for user doesnt change anything? | 21:02 |
| woglinde | no | 21:02 |
| woglinde | you have no login manger | 21:02 |
| woglinde | x is started as user user | 21:02 |
| bakarat3 | Ah k | 21:02 |
| bakarat3 | Is root ssh automatically disabled? | 21:02 |
| woglinde | seems so | 21:02 |
| woglinde | didnt remeber how the sshd.conf looks | 21:03 |
| bakarat3 | Sweet, thanks a bunch | 21:03 |
| bakarat3 | One more thing maybe, how do i reflash when things get hairy? | 21:03 |
| woglinde | ~flasher | 21:04 |
| infobot | from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 21:04 |
| bakarat3 | Thanks | 21:07 |
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| bakarat3 | Hmm, from say the note editor, how do i access home? It saves to some vague documents dir i cant track down in home? | 21:12 |
| woglinde | /home/users/.documents | 21:12 |
| woglinde | ups | 21:13 |
| woglinde | /home/user | 21:13 |
| RST38h | HNY everyone | 21:14 |
| bakarat3 | O right hidden folders hehe | 21:14 |
| bakarat3 | Thanks again | 21:14 |
| RST38h | At least anyone in GMT+5 | 21:14 |
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| woglinde | rst hehe | 21:17 |
| woglinde | we have 4 hours to wait | 21:17 |
| woglinde | and johnx is sleeping now | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | 1.5 hours here | 21:26 |
| RST38h | the fireworks already started | 21:26 |
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| bakarat3 | How do i bring up the touch keyboard? | 21:28 |
| woglinde | bakarat3 n810? | 21:29 |
| bakarat3 | Yes | 21:29 |
| woglinde | hm | 21:29 |
| woglinde | I always use the hw keyboard | 21:30 |
| woglinde | and the chr key | 21:30 |
| woglinde | for | Symbol | 21:30 |
| bakarat3 | O | 21:30 |
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| bakarat3 | Odd, my text editor [who mysteriously saves in html format] can see my samba share, but file manager can not | 21:37 |
| bakarat3 | Ah now i opened the share in editor, it pops up in file manager | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | anyone knows what mips 4kc is? | 22:11 |
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| woglinde | rst isnt wiki saying something? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | nope | 22:12 |
| RST38h | I am interested to know what its instruction set is | 22:12 |
| RST38h | ah, I see: it supports R4000 + conditional moves from r5000 | 22:14 |
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| * r2d2rogers is looking for posts about using the NIT for a wireless USB adapter for a desktop PC | 22:26 | |
| RST38h | never happened so far, afaik | 22:27 |
| r2d2rogers | darn | 22:27 |
| r2d2rogers | I guess I need to get the in-laws a wireless router one of these days | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | oh, by wireless usb adapter you mean usb wifi adapter? | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | What exactly prevents you from buying a standalone USB Wifi adapter for their pc? | 22:31 |
| r2d2rogers | nothing | 22:34 |
| r2d2rogers | I was just trying to use what I have on hand... | 22:34 |
| r2d2rogers | two 770's and a wired connection to the PC | 22:34 |
| r2d2rogers | they have no use for wireless, so it would only be for my benefit | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | NOW, HNY | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, happy new year | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i dont think im meant to be a developer | 23:10 |
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| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, my problem is that I don't know what APIs exist in the big wide world | 23:18 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm we are in the luck | 23:18 |
| woglinde | to have google | 23:18 |
| woglinde | and mailinglists | 23:19 |
| woglinde | and even irc | 23:19 |
| woglinde | ask ask ask | 23:19 |
| lcuk | not really, i could spend a week making a tiny function work using the standard api | 23:19 |
| lcuk | sure in the long run it will be more beneficial, but if i did that with everything i would still be sat with sdl wondering how to render text quickly | 23:20 |
| lcuk | so i write things which work and leave big todos | 23:20 |
| lcuk | (i'm only moaning now because ive just made an xml parser which i know exists but didnt have energy to search and find | 23:21 |
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| woglinde | whahaha | 23:22 |
| woglinde | libxml2 | 23:22 |
| AStorm | nooo! | 23:22 |
| woglinde | why didnt you ask | 23:22 |
| lcuk | cos everything takes longer :$ and i always have stupid trouble setting up libraries in the make file and stuff and it always breaks. cos im technically shit with linux or windows or os'es. | 23:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Why don't you ASK what APIs exist then? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | cos theres a new one every night | 23:24 |
| woglinde | rst thats what I said | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Why don't you take my makefiles which make library inclusion simple? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | im always looking at how things work and needing to extract stuff out of them | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | cos i cant read a damned makefile either, its all foreign, i found one way to add new source files as required | 23:25 |
| lcuk | you gotta remember, i came to all this from visual basic | 23:25 |
| woglinde | yeah | 23:25 |
| woglinde | but thats not an excuse | 23:25 |
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| RST38h | Why don't you learn about makefiles then? =) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | it takes my mind away from making stuff though | 23:25 |
| woglinde | learning autotools istnt that hard | 23:25 |
| woglinde | hehe | 23:25 |
| RST38h | autotools should die | 23:25 |
| lcuk | ive spent the entire year learning :$ | 23:25 |
| woglinde | then team up with one | 23:26 |
| woglinde | thats what community is for | 23:26 |
| lcuk | every single day theres been something new ive needed to do | 23:26 |
| lcuk | and the community has helped ever so much | 23:26 |
| lcuk | i *do* ask a lot of the time | 23:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: an explanation how makefiles work took whole 2 pages at the beginning of our CS class back at UMD | 23:26 |
| woglinde | yeah thats the fun | 23:26 |
| woglinde | give and take | 23:26 |
| RST38h | BTW, my Maemo makefile is 20 lines long | 23:27 |
| RST38h | YOu will need about 10 of them | 23:27 |
| lcuk | the problem i have is my cathederal model dev, i dont want people latching onto half complete code and using it fulltime because then i have to maintain it or be pushed in a direction i know wont stay | 23:27 |
| woglinde | hm????? | 23:28 |
| lcuk | lots of features within liqbase are transitional, they evolve and dont stay | 23:28 |
| RST38h | Library configuration: pkg-config gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 --cflags --libs | 23:28 |
| woglinde | read an article about theo de raadt from openbsd | 23:28 |
| lcuk | people expect things to stay same :$ | 23:28 |
| RST38h | That is all you have to do | 23:28 |
| woglinde | lcuk lol | 23:28 |
| woglinde | lcuk no | 23:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, remember what I said? "Stop experimenting, make it a proper product first" | 23:29 |
| woglinde | even freesoftware users can hold pain | 23:29 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h, thats it - but my nighttimes are when i try things and examine and play around | 23:29 |
| woglinde | and changing api and break lot of stuff is common | 23:29 |
| woglinde | so dont worry | 23:29 |
| RST38h | stop trying things | 23:29 |
| woglinde | your app is cool | 23:29 |
| woglinde | thats all | 23:30 |
| RST38h | By now, you KNOW what the core functionality is | 23:30 |
| woglinde | what its need | 23:30 |
| RST38h | It is a huge canvas where you can make notes. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | i know what some of it is, you have seen my list - theres things which it cant do yet which need doing | 23:30 |
| lcuk | no rst, thats only a tiny fraction | 23:30 |
| RST38h | Make sure that this core functionality works perfectly, has UI, and generally has appeal of an iPhone | 23:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is ok | 23:30 |
| woglinde | rst hehe | 23:31 |
| lcuk | teeny tiny minute miniscule glimpse | 23:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just make it work. | 23:31 |
| woglinde | shitty iphone | 23:31 |
| lcuk | it does - i use it every day | 23:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You can add the rest as an experiment | 23:31 |
| woglinde | hehe thats it is | 23:31 |
| woglinde | the personal itch | 23:31 |
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| RST38h | But it is VERY important that the core functionality looks like a product | 23:31 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i wanted to have my widget ready by now, i wanted a new year video. that was my "target". i havent reached it | 23:32 |
| RST38h | btw, for yourself too - this way you will feel like you have accomplished somethign | 23:32 |
| lcuk | heh, well i havent :P | 23:32 |
| woglinde | lcuk you have my honor | 23:32 |
| woglinde | for what you achieve until now | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, i made 30 different stand alone modules for liqbase, each one an example of some area or other doing something different. the framework was too crappy to want to share. i want a better more documented core widget to build my apps from so others can also build from them | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | (btw, the framework "works", im just personally unhappy with it, i really need some daytime to spend turning it into a clean library api of its own) | 23:35 |
| woglinde | lcuk hehe | 23:36 |
| woglinde | this will come | 23:36 |
| lcuk | thanks woglinde :) | 23:36 |
| woglinde | take your time | 23:36 |
| lcuk | heh woglinde would love to | 23:37 |
| woglinde | no one expect that you finish it tomorrow | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i would :) ive been thinking about this for the last 10 years. i've always wanted to intuitively interact with my computer. | 23:38 |
| AStorm | Mind Reading Interface? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | no AStorm until this year i did most of my thinking on paper | 23:42 |
| lcuk | but as soon as i turned the page it was gone | 23:42 |
| AStorm | hmmmm | 23:42 |
| AStorm | 1st point: modes are bad ;) | 23:43 |
| AStorm | I hate vim, but emacs needs E-M-A-C-S keys | 23:43 |
| AStorm | :> | 23:43 |
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| chandoo | hi | 23:44 |
| AStorm | and still has modes | 23:44 |
| chandoo | i have dell x51v, is any one managed to install and make it work | 23:44 |
| lcuk | heh AStorm, gimme a visual gui editor anyday | 23:44 |
| woglinde | ????? | 23:44 |
| woglinde | what has the dell todo with maemo | 23:44 |
| lcuk | chandoo, install what and get what to work? | 23:44 |
| AStorm | lcuk, hmm, eclipse? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | ewww no, too visual ;) something fast | 23:45 |
| AStorm | (which sucks in other ways) | 23:45 |
| AStorm | it is slow due to java | 23:45 |
| AStorm | and featuritis | 23:45 |
| AStorm | hmm, gedit was good | 23:45 |
| AStorm | and kate | 23:45 |
| lcuk | i like komodo | 23:45 |
| AStorm | I don't remember komodo | 23:45 |
| woglinde | kdevelop? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | its the only one ive tried that "felt" like the vb6 code editor | 23:46 |
| lcuk | (and now looks like it as well) | 23:46 |
| chandoo | lcuk: maemo image | 23:46 |
| AStorm | lcuk, that one was nice, yup | 23:47 |
| lcuk | chandoo, the default nokia supplied maemo os image is targeted at the nokia devices. | 23:47 |
| AStorm | but I prefer Delphi one | 23:47 |
| AStorm | chandoo, yes, you might want to try maemo SDK instead | 23:47 |
| lcuk | there is talk about getting a community distro together which may at some point allow installation on other devices (its already got an x86 target i believe) | 23:47 |
| lcuk | checkout the Mer project | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but that is not in any way shape or form nearly complete | 23:48 |
| lcuk | so, to answer your question properly ;) no, come back and ask in 12 months | 23:49 |
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| chandoo | AStorm: try what | 23:53 |
| AStorm | maemo SDK | 23:53 |
| chandoo | on laptop? | 23:53 |
| AStorm | ... | 23:53 |
| AStorm | it's not a full distro | 23:53 |
| AStorm | just a chroot and build system | 23:53 |
| AStorm | can run maemo apps | 23:54 |
| chandoo | okay | 23:55 |
| chandoo | i very much want to buy nokia N810, cos it has gps, but with no applications | 23:55 |
| b-man | i'm currently installing Ubuntu jaunty on my N800... | 23:58 |
| b-man | :D | 23:58 |
| woglinde | chandoo??? | 23:59 |
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