IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-12-25

solcaStskeeps: that could end in nice tricks00:00
Stskeepsinstant on trick? ;P00:01
solcaqwerty12_N800: in fact I need some help in all this, if you progress in this that would be nice00:01
solcaStskeeps: I was trying the same but for speeding startup00:01
solcaStskeeps: not trying but thinking00:01
solcaStskeeps: so NITdroid will boot very fast00:02
qwerty12_N800solca, I'll be glad to help in whatever I can do00:02
solcaStskeeps: but I think it equally can be used for any other distro00:02
solcaqwerty12_N800: I'm stuck in size00:02
solcaqwerty12_N800: but now I realize that maybe I'm doing something wrong00:02
solcaqwerty12_N800: kexec as example00:03
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: did anyone work out partitioning layout changes yet btw?00:03
solcaqwerty12_N800: maybe you can progress in this area00:03
Stskeeps(in internal flash)00:03
qwerty12_N800whee, red text :)00:03
qwerty12_N800solca, I'll try :)00:04
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, don't think so, all I know is that Cal stores it from what fanoush said00:04
qwerty12_N800solca, that binary was compiled statically in a uclibc scratchbox toolchain with -Os, I'll go through it properly when I'm on the computer tomorrow :)00:05
woglindeqwerty12_N800 hm uh where did you get the uclibc toolchain?00:06
solcaqwerty12_N800: do you have a matched toolchain for initfs?00:06
Stskeepsthere's a new eglibc thing in scratchbox files now too it seems like00:06
qwerty12_N800woglinde, it's on the site somewhere, can't tell you exactly but it doesn't produce dynamically linked compatible binaries00:07
qwerty12_N800solca, no :(00:07
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i think it's cross-compiled, not in scratchbox00:07
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: luck might have it that we highlight some topic of interest of people in here.. there are actually large amounts of nokia people in here :P00:08
Stskeepsor contractors00:08
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, I think so too but I'd bet my right ball that there are exceptions to the rule as i have seen scratchbox strings in binaries00:08
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, yeah :)00:09
qwerty12_N800If you speak up Nokia people,  I promise you gold coins*! :)00:09
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qwerty12_N800*Painted ones but same difference hey00:10
qwerty12_N800I don't mind having to compile binaries statically against uclibc though. Better that than glibc...00:11
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: did you notice the conversation on images?00:11
Stskeepsthat we had an initial green light for that stuff00:11
Stskeepsso that'll be interesting :)00:11
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, haven't been reading after the first few mails, I'll check gmail now :)00:11
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* qwerty12_N800 wonders if mounting a memory card in initfs won't get messy...00:13
Stskeepsi just really need to get the installer for mer going, and the initial image.. right now i'm completely fucked by flowstopping on my main devel machine00:13
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, thanks for that usbnet line you gave to zakkm btw, works for usbnet in initfs where edited /etc/network/interfaces does not :)00:14
Stskeepshehe, np00:15
qwerty12_N800God, so much bullshit in this inbox00:15
Stskeepssolca: what are the primary blockers of nitselector currently?00:16
StskeepsMacer: you around?00:17
* Stskeeps decides to put the donated mer server to use.00:23
solcaStskeeps: major blocker is time00:23
Stskeepssolca: hehe, i know the issue00:24
Stskeepssolca: i think you can probably drag on some of the brains interested in nitdroid though00:24
Stskeepsand any work done in nitdroid/nitselector will benefit all of us, so00:25
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x29ahey there folks, merry christmas00:25
solcaStskeeps: hipefully qwerty12 can experiment further with kexec00:25
qwerty12_N800solca, I'll try and see if I can kexec from initfs tomorrow, I've already checked out the linux-omap git tree, applied your patch, enabled kexec and set the root to initfs00:25
Stskeepsthe 770 nitdroids definately will prove useful :)00:26
solcax29a: mrry_xmas!00:26
x29aone question, i now have a N810, but i seem to only be able to add like 10 apps, do i need to update the OS to a new version?00:26
infobotsomebody said flashing was
x29athank you00:26
infobotsomebody said extras was
Stskeepsas well00:26
x29athat looks like what i need00:27
solcaqwerty12_N800: I'll have an improved kernel RSN which have very improved power management00:27
x29awhats the most current but stable version of maemo? i want to start as an end-user and maybe get involved in -dev later00:27
Stskeepsx29a: diablo, get the lastest image00:28
VulcanisI think the problem, x29a, is that your repos are set to chinook, and you're running diablo00:28
x29alemme check00:28
Vulcanisthat was mine at one point00:28
solcaqwerty12_N800: plus the new NITdroid will have an extra option in the power menu00:28
x29ai already found the sys-info page ;)00:28
solcaqwerty12_N800: to boot to Maemo00:28
solcaqwerty12_N800: 'Boot to Maemo OS'00:28
Stskeepshehe, neat00:29
x29aOS2008 v2.2007.51-300:29
solcaqwerty12_N800: that will kexec the maemo kernel (2.6.21)00:29
solcaqwerty12_N800: in the rootfs with root parameter set to initfs00:29
qwerty12_N800solca, brilliant :). I'm starting to look at your kexec page because I love nitdroid but can't keep flashing  the kernel00:29
Stskeepsx29a: .. definately upgrade00:29
Stskeepswe're at 4.1.2 now00:29
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Stskeepsthat's chinook, afaik00:29
x29aStskeeps: ok, so first upgrade00:30
solcaqwerty12_N800: I think is coincidence but it is nice that Nokia had a working kernel at rootfs00:30
Stskeepswtf @ itt commercial00:30
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Stskeepsi think this should be a comparison of life with a "tablet pc" and a "nokia tablet"00:31
qwerty12_N800solca, yeah :)00:31
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, adblock ftw :P00:31
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: this one is directly funny00:31
qwerty12_N800Heh,  I saw one itt ad on the tablet advertising silicone iphone cases :p00:32
Stskeepssolca: since you already use jaiku, consider doing "task lists" for people to work on, if entry level is "okay", there's a lot of willing people to help ou00:32
Stskeeps(taking inspiration from mer project)00:33
qwerty12_N800crap, i'm surprised that their necks aren't screwed over already00:33
solcaStskeeps: yea, here it is Dec24 16:33, so Christmas is blocking my time for hacking00:34
x29aStskeeps: OS 2008 version 5.2008.43-7 sounds good?00:34
Stskeepsx29a: yeah, newest00:34
solcabut when all its over I'll start to sort all this stuff00:34
Stskeepssolca: hehe, i know. on little xmas eve i was writing sapwood bug report comments..00:34
Stskeepsjesus, why must scratchbox be so huge00:35
qwerty12_N800solca, does kexec --exec option let me use already loaded kernel but I can change kernel cmdline?00:36
x29awhich one is the swap-button on the N810?00:36
x29ahey woglinde, i know you00:37
x29ahave you been tinkering with simpads as well?00:37
x29ai see00:37
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x29athe wiki states 'or swap button (N810), and watch the messages on your console as the FIASCO image is flashed,'00:37
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Stskeepsx29a: think it's the two squares one00:38
Stskeeps(on top, near the camera)00:38
solcaqwerty12_N800: you first load the kernel with parameters then you exec00:38
x29aStskeeps: i wont brake anything if not, itll just not work, right?00:39
Stskeepsx29a: correct00:39
qwerty12_N800solca, ah, I see, thanks. I'll probably have to  mount a memory card :/00:39
Stskeepsit's very hard to completely nuke your tablet unless you didn't charge it properly :P00:39
x29aok, ill go for it then00:39
Stskeepsor you overwrite your NOLO ..00:39
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x29aya, bricking my tablet within 2h would be pretty bad00:40
x29aNOLO as in NokiaLoader?00:40
Stskeepsyeah, it's the bootsector. flashing is usually safe, it refuses to flash if the conditions are not right, so00:40
qwerty12_N800That would be some luck at Christmas :p00:40
x29asounds great!00:41
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x29ahow long should the flashing process be?00:42
Stskeepspretty quick i think00:42
Stskeepsyou'll see progress00:42
qwerty12_N800Shame tmlind doesn't hang out here :(00:44
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Stskeepsx29a: is it going forward?00:47
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x29aStskeeps: not really. it detected some hardware and firmware and i got right back to the console (running ubuntu8.04 here)00:48
x29athe N810 says: 'Nokia' and in the top right i see the usb sign00:49
Stskeepscan you pastebin the flasher output?00:49
x29ai pushed the top button closest to the cam00:49
x29aunfortunatly i ran a 'dmesg' which flooded way beyond the scrollbackbuffer00:49
x29aam i safe to unplug the cable?00:50
Stskeepsand when i mean two squares, i mean the one with one square in 3d behind the other square00:50
x29ayes, the top one00:50
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Stskeepsso you had it off charger, and turned off?00:51
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Stskeepsand then plugged in the usb cable. started the flasher, and turned the tablet on while holding the swap button00:52
x29aill try again and paste the output00:52
x29athe <no version> was different the last time00:53
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x29ado i have to continue pushing the swap button?00:54
Stskeepsdon't think so00:54
x29aa crap00:55
x29ai forgot the -F argument in front of the image00:55
qwerty12_N800x29a, ./ -f -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -R00:55
Stskeepsworks better now?00:56
x29awhen you do it right, it works ;)00:56
x29ahehe, yes00:56
x29aFinishing flashing... done00:56
Stskeepsit should reboot on its own now00:56
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Stskeepsevening disco_stu00:57
disco_stuhi all00:57
x29alooks good, thanks guys, ill continue playing around now00:59
Stskeepsalright, remember to enable extras :)00:59
disco_stui have to get some fireworks for tonight00:59
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* qwerty12_N800 reads up on kexec, never used it so I have to know what I'm up against :) 01:00
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disco_stuqwerty12_N800: you are very skilled in programming stuff01:01
Stskeepsdisco_stu: fireworks and drinking a lot? excellent combination :>01:01
qwerty12_N800disco_stu, believe me, I wish I was :)01:01
disco_stuStskeeps: you are missing the part where i drive 20Km to the Disco !01:02
disco_stutomorrow i'll be detonated..01:02
Stskeeps20km to go to a disco? nasty :P01:02
disco_stuStskeeps: wich country do you live in?01:03
* disco_stu is having a can of red bull01:04
* qwerty12_N800 is a Boost fan, don't know if it's sold outside the UK01:04
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disco_stuthats a drink ?01:05
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Stskeepsnop, country, denmark :P01:05
disco_stuStskeeps: yeah i know, asked qwerty12_N800 about the drink01:06
qwerty12_N800disco_stu, yes, looks like piss (explains the grey bottle) but I'm a fan of the taste :p01:06
disco_stubtw.. Denmark is very nice01:06
disco_stuqwerty12_N800: lol01:07
Stskeepsdisco_stu: meh, could be better :P01:07
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Stskeepsevening konttori and merry xmas!01:07
disco_stuStskeeps: Argentina should be way better too, but thats not gonna happen01:07
konttorimerry xmas Stskeeps01:09
lcukhiya konttori hope you are having/willcontinue to have a great xmas :)01:10
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* Stskeeps decides to spend some time to read some iTT threads from 2005 to see when community feel started happening01:10
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konttorithanks. I'm about to go to bed soonish.01:11
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konttorinice idea Stskeeps01:11
konttoriI suppose you can next year read what people though was up for 2009.01:12
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konttorihave you guys started using the fremantle at all yet?01:14
konttorihas there been the weekly updates that were promised?01:14
Stskeepswhich weekly updates?01:14
Stskeepsi've had my share of diving into the code and coming up dazed and confused though01:14
Stskeepsbut it's definately going in the right direction01:15
lcukkonttori, ive started digging into clutter01:15
konttorilcuk: nice. And it has apparently very nice javascript bindings these days as well, thanks to the gobject introspection01:16
lcuki got a tabletpc to test and learn and thankfully its not an overpowered one so ive gotta learn again how to optimize stuff ;)01:16
konttorilcuk: yeah, well, you need to be cautious with clutter.01:16
smackpotatowhats with minigpsd01:16
smackpotatoit wont install01:17
konttorihmm.. at least tracker has not been updated in the repositories as I would have expected01:17
lcuki did port liqbase to x86 and WOW, it flies along, im so tempted to see if i can do a frankenbuild using liqsketch with clutter, but then actually still rendering with liqbase01:17
konttoriOur nokia internal version is now 6 weeks fresher than the one in
Stskeepskonttori: clutter devel seems to be done "in the open" now, at least01:18
konttoriotoh, we did skip internal releases for a month, so that might still be that other apps have been updated in the meanwhile01:18
Stskeeps(on stage)01:18
lcukit will be easier once the new year comes along and i can speak to some folks and see some things01:18
konttoriStskeeps: good to hear that01:18
konttoriand tracker is developed in servers.01:18
konttoriwe just make a weekly snapshot (and stabilize it) and publish that to nokia internal servers01:19
konttorilcuk: how will new year change that?01:20
Stskeepspeople won't be on holidays? ;)01:20
lcukgenerally because people will be around, theres no point me mailing and asking questions until then :) ill spend some time over the break getting aquanted with a few bits of tech and plan a rebuild using a more standard api01:20
konttorioh! that01:20
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Stskeepsheh, is definately a trip down memory lane01:21
Stskeepsit has from pre-770 launch it seems01:21
Stskeepsand already back then people called it the N770..01:21
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timelesspeople are silly01:21
timelessit was always the nokia 77001:22
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timelessn was from 'nseries'01:22
rm_you|yeah, not saying N770 is hard though, even for me >_>01:22
timelessand iirc there was another 770 from nokia :)01:22
lcukthe 770 had more graphical ooomph didnt it01:22
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konttorilcuk: yeah01:22
rm_youlcuk: about the same. didn't have the bandwidth issues01:22
rm_youthus better, i guess01:22
konttoriit didn't have a mem bandwith bottleneck between main mem and the epson chip01:23
lcukwell i was talkin to pippin last night and the stuff i had to really work to get he said was also possible on the 77001:23
Stskeepshah, and it didn't take long before someone suggested armedslack for tablets..01:23
rm_youjott: jott jott jott01:23
timelesslcuk: you mean i can have licqbase for my 770? :)01:24
* rm_you wonders if jott is alive01:24
Stskeepsno contact irl either? :P01:24
lcuktimeless, if i had one here i would make the adjustments, or if someone wants to hack themselves i would be more than happy01:24
rm_you~last jott01:24
rm_you!last jott01:24
lcuk~seen jott01:24
rm_you!seen jott01:24
infobotjott is currently on #maemo, last said: ':)'.01:24
rm_youok, not useful01:24
Stskeepsinfobot: 45 days idle :P01:24
konttoridid anyone try the webkit engine for the n810 microb browser?01:24
konttoriI was just curious whether it actually is worth a try or not01:25
qwerty12_N800konttori, he hasn't released binaries yet01:25
konttoriah. I see.01:25
konttoriany ideas why not?01:25
qwerty12_N800He says he wants to fix bugs like cookies not working etc01:25
rm_youbug = feature? :P01:26
qwerty12_N800iirc I remember reading that MicroB guys had done the same internally...01:26
qwerty12_N800rm_you, heh :P, shame that the www is so dependent upon them now :/01:26
rm_youyeah :/01:27
disco_stupeople keep having a meery xmas01:27
disco_stusee you later :)01:27
qwerty12_N800bye disco_stu01:27
konttoritimeless: well, have you done a webkit port?01:27
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woglindegtkwebkit is on the way01:27
lcuktime for me to head off anyway, have a merry xmas folks, bb whenever01:28
timelesskonttori: why would you ask me that?01:28
mavhcbecause firefox is too compatible with websites, must move to webkit01:28
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timelessi'm perfectly happy to ignore webkit01:29
konttoriwell, qwerty12_N800 said that microb guys had done it already. So, I was curious if you knew.01:29
timelessoh, i don't know if i can talk about such stuff :)01:29
timelesspersonally, no, i haven't ported webkit :)01:29
qwerty12_N800I think it was romaxa01:30
Stskeeps <- heh, now we see the netbooks with the bundled 3g, how funny :)01:30
timelessi think there have been a couple groups which have put together ports01:30
timelessnote that microb is technically gecko01:30
timelessso it's nonsensical to say webkit-microb01:30
timelessmicrob was basically a drop in replacement for an embedded opera01:31
timelessand didn't describe the ui01:31
qwerty12_N800webkit-browser-ui? :)01:31
timelessanyway, i'm not interested :)01:31
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mavhcwhy if I switch to red pill mode do I suddenly see a load of updates which I assume are related to the latest SSU that I was never offered?01:34
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qwerty12_N800If they were related to the SSU, they have to be installed with the update by way of osso-software-version01:35
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mavhcI thought it wasn't offering because of lack of disc space, so I installed the manuals then deleted the files, so apt-get upgrade doesn't complain, but still nothing in blue pill mode01:37
mavhccan I just run apt-get upgrade?01:37
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mavhcI don't see an osso-software-version package01:40
qwerty12_N800Those updates are probably from other repos01:41
mavhcthere's stuff like osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings01:42
woglindegood nite01:49
qwerty12_N800night woglinde01:50
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olicold night ; p02:33
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lcukmerry xmas again folks, i should be sleeping now but was awoken by hooves on the roof or something04:19
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lcuki know timing is bad, but if anyone has any actual experience with clutter could you pm me or something, i have some ponderments04:21
* qwerty12_N800 goes and drinks a shitload of alka seltzer :(04:25
lcukqwerty12_N800, you shouldnt be awake now04:26
lcukor have you got up to open pressies already :D04:26
qwerty12_N800lcuk, I know :(, I've had a terrible stomach ache through the night, sleep is on & off :)04:27
lcukbleugh not good04:27
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lcukwell i slept but have something rolling around my head04:27
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lcuk@ the world in general, am i right in my simple fast effective framework so far, and is rotation essential?   answers in a pm :)04:33
* robink misses lardman (again)04:33
lcukrobink, hes quick isnt he04:33
robinklcuk: Hmm?04:33
robinklcuk: As in he doesn't stay long?04:34
lcuklol, i mean in the way he exits so fast04:34
robinklcuk: Ah.04:34
lcukqwerty12_N800, get well soon, cant have you ill at this time of year04:35
lcukim goin trying to sleep again04:35
qwerty12_N800heh thanks lcuk, night04:35
robinklcuk: 'night04:35
lcukone more bit @ world in general, the only part i was unhappy with is essentially my own version of the actor class, is it beneficial to follow my heart and continue making mine or do we need 3d libraries04:37
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RST38hpostmortem dissection09:18
Androidfan297whats the diff. between os 2008 and diablo09:18
RST38h2008 is a year09:18
RST38hdiablo is the name of a wind09:19
StsN800Androidfan297, diablo is maemo 4.1, chinook is 4.009:21
rm_youit's like, major release vs. minor release sort of09:21
StsN800morn rm_you09:21
rm_youi'm about to sleep actually :P09:22
rm_youcan be morning for you tho (not sure about your timezone?)09:22
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x29aoh bummer09:31
x29amy n810 just did a full reset whilst watching youtube09:32
x29amaybe its content aware and doesnt like justin timerlake?09:32
pupnikthat's the flash trojan "reboot to finish installation"09:32
pupnikor that..09:32
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rm_youi really need to turn off watchdog entirely09:38
rm_youi would rather have to reboot my tablet manually by pulling out the battery than have it randomly reboot or shut off09:38
rm_youit makes me nervous09:38
rm_youat least i'd know "hey, something locked it in software" instead of "crap, did i just bump it and break a connection in hardware? >_>"09:39
rm_youi remember for about a month last year i thought it was seriously broken09:39
rm_youuntil i reformatted it and realized that no, i just had bad software packages09:39
StsN801i wonder if wd is good for battery, less time on full cpu09:40
rm_youand the backup/restore had kept bringing them back in09:40
rm_youprolly, if it hardlocks while you have it put away09:40
rm_youotherwise you notice and fix it09:40
rm_youhrm. i think ima buy this:
rm_youjust move my server hardware out of a broken old desktop pc case09:41
rm_youthat thing at least actually has room for my 6 hard drives09:41
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pupniknice rm_you09:48
rm_youok just ordered that and a hard drive refresh (5x 1Tb Seagates for my new raid)09:49
rm_youyay :)09:49
rm_youjust under $600 for all of that09:49
rm_youand a new northbridge fan for my server's motherboard for $3 :)09:49
rm_youi've spent so much money in the last like... week... >_>09:50
rm_youand 95% of it was on myself <_<09:50
rm_youi'm a horrible christmas shopper >_>09:50
StsN801hehe, i've often caught myself not having -time- to shop gadgets09:51
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RST38hrm_you: that is not on yourself, that is on your computer =)10:03
StsN801the computers, the geeks' mistress10:05
zevoloHi, Does anyone know about to close unclosed alsa device?10:06
zevoloi open one from program(snd_pcm_open()), and exit without close it some time. how to close it? or re init the alsa enviroment10:08
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rm_youis there a snd_pcm_close() ?10:09
rm_youotherwise, no ideas :P10:09
rm_youor do you mean, not inside your program/10:10
zevolohi, rm_you, yes, there is. but i am debug program, and can't exit normal, and mostly exit with ctrl+c10:10
rm_youfor one, you could catch ctrl+c and terminate properly10:11
rm_youthat would probably be the best idea, really10:11
zevoloo. i will try it. but is there any other way?10:11
rm_younot sure on the device10:12
rm_youmight try something involving the script :/etc/init.d/alsa10:12
rm_youor something like that10:12
rm_youmight be /etc/init.d/alsa-utils10:12
rm_youbeen a while since i looked on the device10:12
rm_youanyways, bed time for me10:13
rm_youchristmas in the morning :)10:13
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zevolook, thanks rm_you. merry christmas10:13
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RST38hzevolo: snd_pcm_close() is there10:16
RST38halthough ALSA appears to be so buggy that you are not guaranteed anything10:17
zevolothanks RST38h.  do you know whether n810 support pulse10:19
zevoloabout alsa issue, i will try to add process to ctrl+c10:20
zevoloand i didn't find any alsa in /etc/init.d/, I tried dsp-init, but it doesn't work10:21
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stv0good morning ;)10:57
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stv0how do i upgrade my n810 from an older sw version (2.2007.51-3)10:58
stv0i think this version dowsn't support ssu10:59
stv0so, do i have to reflash my device?10:59
zevolohi, rm_you, rst38h, i catch the signal, it works to close pcm alsa device. thanks11:04
RST38hzevolo: n819 does not support pulse yet11:04
RST38hWhen it does, I am sure it will be screwed up even worse than ALSA though =)11:05
konttoristv0: yes, you will have to reflash11:05
stv0that's the correct way?11:05
stv0ok thanks11:07
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stv0oh, why do they removed this old virtual keyboard from the current firmware?11:27
stv0i really liked the handwriting feature11:28
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stv0is it possible to return to the old halfscreensize keyboard?11:28
stv0now i only have this fullscreen keyboard11:29
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suihkulokkistv0: somethings gone wrong, the new versions do support both versions of vkb and handwriting11:37
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qwerty12ffs, bootmenu won't load under 2.6.2811:50
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aquatixmerry christmas everybody!13:22
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harrylmerry christmas all :)13:37
lcukerry xmas aqatix13:39
harrylcan I expose my TF card in my N810 while connected to a PC?13:40
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lcukgrrrrr @ xchat on this computer it needs to stop locking up when i open chan list13:47
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* qwerty12 can't decide if I should be happy or sad that I'm booting maemo with a 2.6.28-rc9-omap1 kernel. all I want is the fucking kexec13:54
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lcukqwerty12, you feeling better this morning?14:00
qwerty12lcuk, no :(, the pain's still there, I'm just ignoring it for now :/14:01
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qwerty12grr, why are static binaries such a pita14:02
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lcukmerry christmas ssvb :)14:06
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ssvblcuk: thanks, merry christmas everyone14:16
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aquatixqwerty12: what happened then?14:19
qwerty12aquatix, with what? :)14:19
aquatixwell, with you i guess, as you seem to suffer some pain14:25
aquatixdropped a n8x0 on your toe? ;)14:26
qwerty12aquatix, heh, woke up with a bad stomach ache @ ~2 am. kinda took me back as I haven't had one that bad in a long while :/14:26
qwerty12aquatix, heh, not yet...14:26
aquatixah, sucks14:26
aquatixtoo much christmas even food?14:27
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* aquatix should stop kidding14:28
qwerty12hehe, didn't eat much anyway :D14:28
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GAN800Merry Christmas. :)14:42
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RST38hMC, qwerty,aquatix,gan14:50
qwerty12_N800Merry Christmas all14:51
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lcukmerry xmas, how do i close all other scratchbox sessions?  apparantly i have one open but i closed its console window and its still telling me its there14:58
qwerty12_N800run sb-menu and choose the last option (or thereabouts) and enter 9 as the kill signal14:59
lcuktask manager (or whatever its called ) killed it :D15:00
lcukright, time to vanish again ,going to pub15:01
lcukhave fun folks15:01
lcukssvb, thanks again :)15:01
lcuk(and you qwerty12_N800, get well soon)15:02
qwerty12_N800thanks lcuk15:02
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aquatixhappy days all15:18
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lcukok, so i didnt get to the pub yet, but im going now: i managed this though :)
pupnikenjoy lcuk15:38
qwerty12_N800Nice :). I want to install the sdk but too much sb targets already and not enough space :(15:38
lcukwell its all nice and clean, first time ive installed sb or anything much :) quite pleased with my xmas presents so far15:39
lcukbb after drinking15:39
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timelessqwerty/aquatix: ping15:52
timelessanyone here know Tim Steiner?15:52
timelessor is anyone here able to try something for me?15:52
* timeless needs a couple of details15:52
qwerty12_N800timeless, the guy doesn't know what he is doing.
* timeless squishes bug15:55
RST38hlcuk: Got a laptop?16:17
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mike_xcrhi all17:53
mike_xcri'll connect my USB mouse to n800 - i can?17:54
mike_xcr(sorry for my english...)17:54
mike_xcrcurrent i get debian lenny on sdhc memory card17:54
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t_s_othe tablet will register the mouse, but you will not get a pointer on screen, nokia have removed some of the needed graphics iirc...18:02
GAN800Not removed, made invisible.18:02
mike_xcrbut maybe i can install other software for mouse... on debian lenny :(18:03
qwerty12_N800oh, they're there, just it is set to use a transparent cursor18:03
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timelessthe browser actually uses a cursor occasionally18:03
timeless(or maybe it fakes it, whichever)18:03
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mike_xcrif i connect my mouse to n800, dmesg view: input: USB Optical mouse as /class/input/input418:12
mike_xcrbut not working /18:12
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alex_Does anyone know where I can find the 2.6.16 kernel .config file for the 770 Kernel. I've searched the web for some days now and the only link is dead.19:47
suihkulokkialex_: make n770_defconfig19:49
mike_xcralex_: download linux-2.6.16.X and try arch/arm/configs/19:49
suihkulokkinot any 2.6.16.X will do, you need the maemo kernel fro 2.6.16.x19:51
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alex_I use the one which I get running apt-get source ... in scratchbox19:53
qwerty12gregale sdk?19:53
suihkulokkithat whould work yes19:53
olihow to install maemo-stars on diablo? installer says it needs hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-219:53
alex_actually I need the option.ko module for my UMTS Stick19:53
GAN8001oli, API break.19:54
mike_xcroli: what is it "maemo-stars" ?19:55
olimike_xcr: some kind of astronomy program which shows you actual view of the sky with stars and other objects on it :)19:56
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oli... trying 'mephemeris' instead20:05
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alex_And now I get insmod: cannot insert '/home/option.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error20:07
alex_I compiled it with gcc 3.4.4 also provided with scratchbox20:10
alex_Is there any switch for the exe format or is this error message produced by something else20:11
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Tu13esanyone running nitdroid?20:38
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solcaTu13es: any problem with NITdroid?21:27
Tu13essolca: no major problems (that aren't documented, at least)21:28
Tu13esjust not sure what to do with it :P21:28
solcaTu13es: ah ok21:28
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x29awhats up with x11vnc? wont start for me, bummer21:42
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qwerty12_N800hi Stskeeps22:27
Stskeepsfinally back in my own apartment, but with gf's parents visiting :P22:29
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t_s_ocute, the vlc icon dons a "santa hat" during the holiday23:15
Stskeepsyeah, noticed that too23:15
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mavhcI just thought it was the new icon23:19
* robink continues to miss lardman23:22
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Stskeepsthink he's just off for the holidays? :P23:23
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stv0somebody here who got tiemu working?23:45
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