| solca | Stskeeps: that could end in nice tricks | 00:00 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | instant on trick? ;P | 00:01 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: in fact I need some help in all this, if you progress in this that would be nice | 00:01 |
| solca | Stskeeps: I was trying the same but for speeding startup | 00:01 |
| solca | Stskeeps: not trying but thinking | 00:01 |
| solca | Stskeeps: so NITdroid will boot very fast | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, I'll be glad to help in whatever I can do | 00:02 |
| solca | Stskeeps: but I think it equally can be used for any other distro | 00:02 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: I'm stuck in size | 00:02 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: but now I realize that maybe I'm doing something wrong | 00:02 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: kexec as example | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did anyone work out partitioning layout changes yet btw? | 00:03 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: maybe you can progress in this area | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | (in internal flash) | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | whee, red text :) | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, I'll try :) | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, don't think so, all I know is that Cal stores it from what fanoush said | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, that binary was compiled statically in a uclibc scratchbox toolchain with -Os, I'll go through it properly when I'm on the computer tomorrow :) | 00:05 |
| woglinde | qwerty12_N800 hm uh where did you get the uclibc toolchain? | 00:06 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: do you have a matched toolchain for initfs? | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | there's a new eglibc thing in scratchbox files now too it seems like | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | woglinde, it's on the site somewhere, can't tell you exactly but it doesn't produce dynamically linked compatible binaries | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, no :( | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i think it's cross-compiled, not in scratchbox | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: luck might have it that we highlight some topic of interest of people in here.. there are actually large amounts of nokia people in here :P | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | or contractors | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, I think so too but I'd bet my right ball that there are exceptions to the rule as i have seen scratchbox strings in binaries | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah :) | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If you speak up Nokia people, I promise you gold coins*! :) | 00:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | *Painted ones but same difference hey | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't mind having to compile binaries statically against uclibc though. Better that than glibc... | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did you notice the conversation on build-on-maemo.org images? | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | that we had an initial green light for that stuff | 00:11 |
| Stskeeps | so that'll be interesting :) | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, haven't been reading after the first few mails, I'll check gmail now :) | 00:11 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wonders if mounting a memory card in initfs won't get messy... | 00:13 | |
| Stskeeps | i just really need to get the installer for mer going, and the initial image.. right now i'm completely fucked by ports.ubuntu.com flowstopping on my main devel machine | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, thanks for that usbnet line you gave to zakkm btw, works for usbnet in initfs where edited /etc/network/interfaces does not :) | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, np | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | God, so much bullshit in this inbox | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | solca: what are the primary blockers of nitselector currently? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: you around? | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 00:18 |
| * Stskeeps decides to put the donated mer server to use. | 00:23 | |
| solca | Stskeeps: major blocker is time | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | solca: hehe, i know the issue | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | solca: i think you can probably drag on some of the brains interested in nitdroid though | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | and any work done in nitdroid/nitselector will benefit all of us, so | 00:25 |
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| x29a | hey there folks, merry christmas | 00:25 |
| solca | Stskeeps: hipefully qwerty12 can experiment further with kexec | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, I'll try and see if I can kexec from initfs tomorrow, I've already checked out the linux-omap git tree, applied your patch, enabled kexec and set the root to initfs | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | the 770 nitdroids definately will prove useful :) | 00:26 |
| solca | x29a: mrry_xmas! | 00:26 |
| x29a | one question, i now have a N810, but i seem to only be able to add like 10 apps, do i need to update the OS to a new version? | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 00:26 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:26 |
| x29a | thank you | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 00:26 |
| infobot | somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 00:26 |
| x29a | that looks like what i need | 00:27 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: I'll have an improved kernel RSN which have very improved power management | 00:27 |
| x29a | whats the most current but stable version of maemo? i want to start as an end-user and maybe get involved in -dev later | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: diablo, get the lastest image | 00:28 |
| Vulcanis | I think the problem, x29a, is that your repos are set to chinook, and you're running diablo | 00:28 |
| x29a | lemme check | 00:28 |
| Vulcanis | that was mine at one point | 00:28 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: plus the new NITdroid will have an extra option in the power menu | 00:28 |
| x29a | i already found the sys-info page ;) | 00:28 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: to boot to Maemo | 00:28 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: 'Boot to Maemo OS' | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, neat | 00:29 |
| x29a | OS2008 v2.2007.51-3 | 00:29 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: that will kexec the maemo kernel (2.6.21) | 00:29 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: in the rootfs with root parameter set to initfs | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, brilliant :). I'm starting to look at your kexec page because I love nitdroid but can't keep flashing the kernel | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: .. definately upgrade | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | we're at 4.1.2 now | 00:29 |
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| Stskeeps | that's chinook, afaik | 00:29 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: ok, so first upgrade | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 00:30 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: I think is coincidence but it is nice that Nokia had a working kernel at rootfs | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ itt commercial | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://itcase.net/ | 00:30 |
| Vulcanis | rofl! | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i think this should be a comparison of life with a "tablet pc" and a "nokia tablet" | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, yeah :) | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, adblock ftw :P | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: this one is directly funny | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, I saw one itt ad on the tablet advertising silicone iphone cases :p | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | solca: since you already use jaiku, consider doing "task lists" for people to work on, if entry level is "okay", there's a lot of willing people to help ou | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | t | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | (taking inspiration from mer project) | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crap, i'm surprised that their necks aren't screwed over already | 00:33 |
| solca | Stskeeps: yea, here it is Dec24 16:33, so Christmas is blocking my time for hacking | 00:34 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: OS 2008 version 5.2008.43-7 sounds good? | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: yeah, newest | 00:34 |
| solca | but when all its over I'll start to sort all this stuff | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | solca: hehe, i know. on little xmas eve i was writing sapwood bug report comments.. | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, why must scratchbox be so huge | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, does kexec --exec option let me use already loaded kernel but I can change kernel cmdline? | 00:36 |
| x29a | which one is the swap-button on the N810? | 00:36 |
| woglinde | swap? | 00:36 |
| x29a | hey woglinde, i know you | 00:37 |
| x29a | have you been tinkering with simpads as well? | 00:37 |
| woglinde | yes | 00:37 |
| x29a | i see | 00:37 |
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| x29a | the wiki states 'or swap button (N810), and watch the messages on your console as the FIASCO image is flashed,' | 00:37 |
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| Stskeeps | x29a: think it's the two squares one | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | (on top, near the camera) | 00:38 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: you first load the kernel with parameters then you exec | 00:38 |
| x29a | Stskeeps: i wont brake anything if not, itll just not work, right? | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: correct | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, ah, I see, thanks. I'll probably have to mount a memory card :/ | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's very hard to completely nuke your tablet unless you didn't charge it properly :P | 00:39 |
| x29a | ok, ill go for it then | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | or you overwrite your NOLO .. | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:39 |
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| x29a | ya, bricking my tablet within 2h would be pretty bad | 00:40 |
| x29a | NOLO as in NokiaLoader? | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's the bootsector. flashing is usually safe, it refuses to flash if the conditions are not right, so | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | That would be some luck at Christmas :p | 00:40 |
| x29a | sounds great! | 00:41 |
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| x29a | how long should the flashing process be? | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | pretty quick i think | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | you'll see progress | 00:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Shame tmlind doesn't hang out here :( | 00:44 |
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| Stskeeps | x29a: is it going forward? | 00:47 |
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| x29a | Stskeeps: not really. it detected some hardware and firmware and i got right back to the console (running ubuntu8.04 here) | 00:48 |
| x29a | the N810 says: 'Nokia' and in the top right i see the usb sign | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | can you pastebin the flasher output? | 00:49 |
| x29a | i pushed the top button closest to the cam | 00:49 |
| x29a | unfortunatly i ran a 'dmesg' which flooded way beyond the scrollbackbuffer | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:49 |
| x29a | am i safe to unplug the cable? | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | and when i mean two squares, i mean the one with one square in 3d behind the other square | 00:50 |
| x29a | yes, the top one | 00:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | so you had it off charger, and turned off? | 00:51 |
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| x29a | jo | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | and then plugged in the usb cable. started the flasher, and turned the tablet on while holding the swap button | 00:52 |
| x29a | ill try again and paste the output | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 00:52 |
| x29a | http://rafb.net/p/O0B7f087.html | 00:53 |
| x29a | the <no version> was different the last time | 00:53 |
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| x29a | do i have to continue pushing the swap button? | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | don't think so | 00:54 |
| x29a | a crap | 00:55 |
| x29a | i forgot the -F argument in front of the image | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | x29a, ./flasher-3.0.app -f -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -R | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep | 00:55 |
| x29a | lol | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | works better now? | 00:56 |
| x29a | when you do it right, it works ;) | 00:56 |
| x29a | hehe, yes | 00:56 |
| woglinde | hehe | 00:56 |
| x29a | Finishing flashing... done | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | it should reboot on its own now | 00:56 |
| disco_stu | .. | 00:57 |
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| Stskeeps | evening disco_stu | 00:57 |
| disco_stu | hi all | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 00:58 |
| x29a | v5.2008.43-7 | 00:58 |
| x29a | looks good, thanks guys, ill continue playing around now | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | alright, remember to enable extras :) | 00:59 |
| disco_stu | i have to get some fireworks for tonight | 00:59 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 reads up on kexec, never used it so I have to know what I'm up against :) | 01:00 | |
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| disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: you are very skilled in programming stuff | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | disco_stu: fireworks and drinking a lot? excellent combination :> | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, believe me, I wish I was :) | 01:01 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: you are missing the part where i drive 20Km to the Disco ! | 01:02 |
| disco_stu | tomorrow i'll be detonated.. | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:02 |
| Stskeeps | 20km to go to a disco? nasty :P | 01:02 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: wich country do you live in? | 01:03 |
| * disco_stu is having a can of red bull | 01:04 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 is a Boost fan, don't know if it's sold outside the UK | 01:04 | |
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| disco_stu | thats a drink ? | 01:05 |
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| Stskeeps | .dk | 01:05 |
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| Stskeeps | nop, country, denmark :P | 01:05 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: yeah i know, asked qwerty12_N800 about the drink | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, yes, looks like piss (explains the grey bottle) but I'm a fan of the taste :p | 01:06 |
| disco_stu | btw.. Denmark is very nice | 01:06 |
| disco_stu | qwerty12_N800: lol | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | disco_stu: meh, could be better :P | 01:07 |
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| Stskeeps | evening konttori and merry xmas! | 01:07 |
| disco_stu | Stskeeps: Argentina should be way better too, but thats not gonna happen | 01:07 |
| konttori | merry xmas Stskeeps | 01:09 |
| lcuk | hiya konttori hope you are having/willcontinue to have a great xmas :) | 01:10 |
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| * Stskeeps decides to spend some time to read some iTT threads from 2005 to see when community feel started happening | 01:10 | |
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| konttori | thanks. I'm about to go to bed soonish. | 01:11 |
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| konttori | nice idea Stskeeps | 01:11 |
| konttori | I suppose you can next year read what people though was up for 2009. | 01:12 |
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| konttori | have you guys started using the fremantle at all yet? | 01:14 |
| konttori | has there been the weekly updates that were promised? | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | which weekly updates? | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | i've had my share of diving into the code and coming up dazed and confused though | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | but it's definately going in the right direction | 01:15 |
| lcuk | konttori, ive started digging into clutter | 01:15 |
| konttori | lcuk: nice. And it has apparently very nice javascript bindings these days as well, thanks to the gobject introspection | 01:16 |
| lcuk | i got a tabletpc to test and learn and thankfully its not an overpowered one so ive gotta learn again how to optimize stuff ;) | 01:16 |
| konttori | lcuk: yeah, well, you need to be cautious with clutter. | 01:16 |
| smackpotato | whats with minigpsd | 01:16 |
| smackpotato | it wont install | 01:17 |
| konttori | hmm.. at least tracker has not been updated in the repositories as I would have expected | 01:17 |
| lcuk | i did port liqbase to x86 and WOW, it flies along, im so tempted to see if i can do a frankenbuild using liqsketch with clutter, but then actually still rendering with liqbase | 01:17 |
| konttori | Our nokia internal version is now 6 weeks fresher than the one in maemo.org. | 01:17 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: clutter devel seems to be done "in the open" now, at least | 01:18 |
| konttori | otoh, we did skip internal releases for a month, so that might still be that other apps have been updated in the meanwhile | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | (on stage) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | it will be easier once the new year comes along and i can speak to some folks and see some things | 01:18 |
| konttori | Stskeeps: good to hear that | 01:18 |
| konttori | and tracker is developed in gnome.org servers. | 01:18 |
| konttori | we just make a weekly snapshot (and stabilize it) and publish that to nokia internal servers | 01:19 |
| konttori | lcuk: how will new year change that? | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | people won't be on holidays? ;) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | generally because people will be around, theres no point me mailing and asking questions until then :) ill spend some time over the break getting aquanted with a few bits of tech and plan a rebuild using a more standard api | 01:20 |
| konttori | oh! that | 01:20 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php is definately a trip down memory lane | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | it has from pre-770 launch it seems | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | and already back then people called it the N770.. | 01:21 |
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| timeless | people are silly | 01:21 |
| timeless | it was always the nokia 770 | 01:22 |
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| timeless | n was from 'nseries' | 01:22 |
| rm_you| | yeah, not saying N770 is hard though, even for me >_> | 01:22 |
| timeless | and iirc there was another 770 from nokia :) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | the 770 had more graphical ooomph didnt it | 01:22 |
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| konttori | lcuk: yeah | 01:22 |
| rm_you | lcuk: about the same. didn't have the bandwidth issues | 01:22 |
| rm_you | thus better, i guess | 01:22 |
| konttori | it didn't have a mem bandwith bottleneck between main mem and the epson chip | 01:23 |
| lcuk | well i was talkin to pippin last night and the stuff i had to really work to get he said was also possible on the 770 | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | hah, and it didn't take long before someone suggested armedslack for tablets.. | 01:23 |
| rm_you | jott: jott jott jott | 01:23 |
| timeless | lcuk: you mean i can have licqbase for my 770? :) | 01:24 |
| * rm_you wonders if jott is alive | 01:24 | |
| Stskeeps | no contact irl either? :P | 01:24 |
| lcuk | timeless, if i had one here i would make the adjustments, or if someone wants to hack themselves i would be more than happy | 01:24 |
| rm_you | ~last jott | 01:24 |
| rm_you | !last jott | 01:24 |
| lcuk | ~seen jott | 01:24 |
| rm_you | !seen jott | 01:24 |
| infobot | jott is currently on #maemo, last said: ':)'. | 01:24 |
| rm_you | <_< | 01:24 |
| rm_you | ok, not useful | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | infobot: 45 days idle :P | 01:24 |
| konttori | did anyone try the webkit engine for the n810 microb browser? | 01:24 |
| konttori | I was just curious whether it actually is worth a try or not | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | konttori, he hasn't released binaries yet | 01:25 |
| konttori | ah. I see. | 01:25 |
| konttori | any ideas why not? | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | He says he wants to fix bugs like cookies not working etc | 01:25 |
| rm_you | bug = feature? :P | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | iirc I remember reading that MicroB guys had done the same internally... | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, heh :P, shame that the www is so dependent upon them now :/ | 01:26 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 01:27 |
| disco_stu | people keep having a meery xmas | 01:27 |
| disco_stu | see you later :) | 01:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bye disco_stu | 01:27 |
| konttori | timeless: well, have you done a webkit port? | 01:27 |
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| woglinde | gtkwebkit is on the way | 01:27 |
| lcuk | time for me to head off anyway, have a merry xmas folks, bb whenever | 01:28 |
| timeless | konttori: why would you ask me that? | 01:28 |
| mavhc | because firefox is too compatible with websites, must move to webkit | 01:28 |
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| timeless | ... | 01:29 |
| timeless | i'm perfectly happy to ignore webkit | 01:29 |
| konttori | well, qwerty12_N800 said that microb guys had done it already. So, I was curious if you knew. | 01:29 |
| timeless | oh, i don't know if i can talk about such stuff :) | 01:29 |
| timeless | personally, no, i haven't ported webkit :) | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it was romaxa | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-193.html <- heh, now we see the netbooks with the bundled 3g, how funny :) | 01:30 |
| timeless | i think there have been a couple groups which have put together ports | 01:30 |
| timeless | note that microb is technically gecko | 01:30 |
| timeless | so it's nonsensical to say webkit-microb | 01:30 |
| timeless | microb was basically a drop in replacement for an embedded opera | 01:31 |
| timeless | and didn't describe the ui | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | webkit-browser-ui? :) | 01:31 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm not interested :) | 01:31 |
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| mavhc | why if I switch to red pill mode do I suddenly see a load of updates which I assume are related to the latest SSU that I was never offered? | 01:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If they were related to the SSU, they have to be installed with the update by way of osso-software-version | 01:35 |
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| mavhc | I thought it wasn't offering because of lack of disc space, so I installed the manuals then deleted the files, so apt-get upgrade doesn't complain, but still nothing in blue pill mode | 01:37 |
| mavhc | can I just run apt-get upgrade? | 01:37 |
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| mavhc | I don't see an osso-software-version package | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Those updates are probably from other repos | 01:41 |
| mavhc | there's stuff like osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings | 01:42 |
| woglinde | good nite | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night woglinde | 01:50 |
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| oli | cold night ; p | 02:33 |
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| lcuk | merry xmas again folks, i should be sleeping now but was awoken by hooves on the roof or something | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | i know timing is bad, but if anyone has any actual experience with clutter could you pm me or something, i have some ponderments | 04:21 |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes and drinks a shitload of alka seltzer :( | 04:25 | |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you shouldnt be awake now | 04:26 |
| lcuk | or have you got up to open pressies already :D | 04:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I know :(, I've had a terrible stomach ache through the night, sleep is on & off :) | 04:27 |
| lcuk | bleugh not good | 04:27 |
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| lcuk | well i slept but have something rolling around my head | 04:27 |
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| lcuk | hmmmmmmm | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | @ the world in general, am i right in my simple fast effective framework so far, and is rotation essential? answers in a pm :) | 04:33 |
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| lcuk | robink, hes quick isnt he | 04:33 |
| robink | lcuk: Hmm? | 04:33 |
| robink | lcuk: As in he doesn't stay long? | 04:34 |
| lcuk | lol, i mean in the way he exits so fast | 04:34 |
| robink | lcuk: Ah. | 04:34 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, get well soon, cant have you ill at this time of year | 04:35 |
| lcuk | im goin trying to sleep again | 04:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh thanks lcuk, night | 04:35 |
| robink | lcuk: 'night | 04:35 |
| lcuk | one more bit @ world in general, the only part i was unhappy with is essentially my own version of the actor class, is it beneficial to follow my heart and continue making mine or do we need 3d libraries | 04:37 |
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| StsN800 | morning | 09:00 |
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| Androidfan297 | question | 09:17 |
| RST38h | answer | 09:18 |
| Vulcanis | elaboration | 09:18 |
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| StsN800 | confusal | 09:18 |
| RST38h | postmortem dissection | 09:18 |
| Androidfan297 | whats the diff. between os 2008 and diablo | 09:18 |
| RST38h | 2008 is a year | 09:18 |
| RST38h | diablo is the name of a wind | 09:19 |
| rm_you | wind? | 09:21 |
| StsN800 | Androidfan297, diablo is maemo 4.1, chinook is 4.0 | 09:21 |
| rm_you | it's like, major release vs. minor release sort of | 09:21 |
| StsN800 | morn rm_you | 09:21 |
| rm_you | i'm about to sleep actually :P | 09:22 |
| rm_you | can be morning for you tho (not sure about your timezone?) | 09:22 |
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| x29a | oh bummer | 09:31 |
| x29a | my n810 just did a full reset whilst watching youtube | 09:32 |
| x29a | maybe its content aware and doesnt like justin timerlake? | 09:32 |
| pupnik | that's the flash trojan "reboot to finish installation" | 09:32 |
| pupnik | or that.. | 09:32 |
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| rm_you | i really need to turn off watchdog entirely | 09:38 |
| rm_you | i would rather have to reboot my tablet manually by pulling out the battery than have it randomly reboot or shut off | 09:38 |
| rm_you | it makes me nervous | 09:38 |
| StsN801 | hehe | 09:39 |
| rm_you | at least i'd know "hey, something locked it in software" instead of "crap, did i just bump it and break a connection in hardware? >_>" | 09:39 |
| rm_you | i remember for about a month last year i thought it was seriously broken | 09:39 |
| rm_you | until i reformatted it and realized that no, i just had bad software packages | 09:39 |
| StsN801 | i wonder if wd is good for battery, less time on full cpu | 09:40 |
| rm_you | and the backup/restore had kept bringing them back in | 09:40 |
| rm_you | prolly, if it hardlocks while you have it put away | 09:40 |
| rm_you | otherwise you notice and fix it | 09:40 |
| rm_you | hrm. i think ima buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811182566 | 09:41 |
| rm_you | thoughts? | 09:41 |
| rm_you | just move my server hardware out of a broken old desktop pc case | 09:41 |
| rm_you | that thing at least actually has room for my 6 hard drives | 09:41 |
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| pupnik | nice rm_you | 09:48 |
| rm_you | ok just ordered that and a hard drive refresh (5x 1Tb Seagates for my new raid) | 09:49 |
| rm_you | yay :) | 09:49 |
| rm_you | just under $600 for all of that | 09:49 |
| rm_you | and a new northbridge fan for my server's motherboard for $3 :) | 09:49 |
| rm_you | i've spent so much money in the last like... week... >_> | 09:50 |
| rm_you | and 95% of it was on myself <_< | 09:50 |
| rm_you | i'm a horrible christmas shopper >_> | 09:50 |
| StsN801 | hehe, i've often caught myself not having -time- to shop gadgets | 09:51 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: that is not on yourself, that is on your computer =) | 10:03 |
| StsN801 | the computers, the geeks' mistress | 10:05 |
| zevolo | Hi, Does anyone know about to close unclosed alsa device? | 10:06 |
| zevolo | i open one from program(snd_pcm_open()), and exit without close it some time. how to close it? or re init the alsa enviroment | 10:08 |
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| rm_you | is there a snd_pcm_close() ? | 10:09 |
| rm_you | otherwise, no ideas :P | 10:09 |
| rm_you | or do you mean, not inside your program/ | 10:10 |
| zevolo | hi, rm_you, yes, there is. but i am debug program, and can't exit normal, and mostly exit with ctrl+c | 10:10 |
| rm_you | ah | 10:10 |
| rm_you | well | 10:10 |
| rm_you | for one, you could catch ctrl+c and terminate properly | 10:11 |
| rm_you | that would probably be the best idea, really | 10:11 |
| zevolo | o. i will try it. but is there any other way? | 10:11 |
| rm_you | not sure on the device | 10:12 |
| rm_you | might try something involving the script :/etc/init.d/alsa | 10:12 |
| rm_you | or something like that | 10:12 |
| rm_you | might be /etc/init.d/alsa-utils | 10:12 |
| rm_you | been a while since i looked on the device | 10:12 |
| rm_you | anyways, bed time for me | 10:13 |
| rm_you | christmas in the morning :) | 10:13 |
| * rm_you sleeps | 10:13 | |
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| zevolo | ok, thanks rm_you. merry christmas | 10:13 |
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| RST38h | zevolo: snd_pcm_close() is there | 10:16 |
| RST38h | although ALSA appears to be so buggy that you are not guaranteed anything | 10:17 |
| zevolo | thanks RST38h. do you know whether n810 support pulse | 10:19 |
| zevolo | about alsa issue, i will try to add process to ctrl+c | 10:20 |
| zevolo | and i didn't find any alsa in /etc/init.d/, I tried dsp-init, but it doesn't work | 10:21 |
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| stv0 | good morning ;) | 10:57 |
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| stv0 | how do i upgrade my n810 from an older sw version (2.2007.51-3) | 10:58 |
| stv0 | i think this version dowsn't support ssu | 10:59 |
| stv0 | so, do i have to reflash my device? | 10:59 |
| zevolo | hi, rm_you, rst38h, i catch the signal, it works to close pcm alsa device. thanks | 11:04 |
| RST38h | zevolo: n819 does not support pulse yet | 11:04 |
| RST38h | When it does, I am sure it will be screwed up even worse than ALSA though =) | 11:05 |
| konttori | stv0: yes, you will have to reflash | 11:05 |
| RST38h | s/n819/n810 | 11:05 |
| stv0 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:05 |
| stv0 | that's the correct way? | 11:05 |
| konttori | yeah | 11:06 |
| stv0 | ok thanks | 11:07 |
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| stv0 | oh, why do they removed this old virtual keyboard from the current firmware? | 11:27 |
| stv0 | i really liked the handwriting feature | 11:28 |
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| stv0 | is it possible to return to the old halfscreensize keyboard? | 11:28 |
| stv0 | now i only have this fullscreen keyboard | 11:29 |
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| suihkulokki | stv0: somethings gone wrong, the new versions do support both versions of vkb and handwriting | 11:37 |
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| qwerty12 | ffs, bootmenu won't load under 2.6.28 | 11:50 |
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| aquatix | merry christmas everybody! | 13:22 |
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| harryl | merry christmas all :) | 13:37 |
| lcuk | erry xmas aqatix | 13:39 |
| harryl | can I expose my TF card in my N810 while connected to a PC? | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | grrrrr @ xchat on this computer it needs to stop locking up when i open chan list | 13:47 |
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| * qwerty12 can't decide if I should be happy or sad that I'm booting maemo with a 2.6.28-rc9-omap1 kernel. all I want is the fucking kexec | 13:54 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, you feeling better this morning? | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, no :(, the pain's still there, I'm just ignoring it for now :/ | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | boo | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | grr, why are static binaries such a pita | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | merry christmas ssvb :) | 14:06 |
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| ssvb | lcuk: thanks, merry christmas everyone | 14:16 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: what happened then? | 14:19 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, with what? :) | 14:19 |
| aquatix | well, with you i guess, as you seem to suffer some pain | 14:25 |
| aquatix | dropped a n8x0 on your toe? ;) | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, heh, woke up with a bad stomach ache @ ~2 am. kinda took me back as I haven't had one that bad in a long while :/ | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, heh, not yet... | 14:26 |
| aquatix | ah, sucks | 14:26 |
| aquatix | too much christmas even food? | 14:27 |
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| aquatix | *eve | 14:28 |
| * aquatix should stop kidding | 14:28 | |
| qwerty12 | hehe, didn't eat much anyway :D | 14:28 |
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| GAN800 | Merry Christmas. :) | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | MC, qwerty,aquatix,gan | 14:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Merry Christmas all | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | merry xmas, how do i close all other scratchbox sessions? apparantly i have one open but i closed its console window and its still telling me its there | 14:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | run sb-menu and choose the last option (or thereabouts) and enter 9 as the kill signal | 14:59 |
| lcuk | task manager (or whatever its called ) killed it :D | 15:00 |
| lcuk | right, time to vanish again ,going to pub | 15:01 |
| lcuk | have fun folks | 15:01 |
| lcuk | ssvb, thanks again :) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | (and you qwerty12_N800, get well soon) | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks lcuk | 15:02 |
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| aquatix | happy days all | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | ok, so i didnt get to the pub yet, but im going now: i managed this though :) http://liqbase.net/maemo5_installed.png | 15:37 |
| pupnik | enjoy lcuk | 15:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nice :). I want to install the sdk but too much sb targets already and not enough space :( | 15:38 |
| lcuk | well its all nice and clean, first time ive installed sb or anything much :) quite pleased with my xmas presents so far | 15:39 |
| lcuk | bb after drinking | 15:39 |
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| timeless | qwerty/aquatix: ping | 15:52 |
| timeless | anyone here know Tim Steiner? | 15:52 |
| timeless | or is anyone here able to try something for me? | 15:52 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1925 | 15:52 |
| * timeless needs a couple of details | 15:52 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless, the guy doesn't know what he is doing. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17715 | 15:54 |
| timeless | thanks | 15:55 |
| * timeless squishes bug | 15:55 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Got a laptop? | 16:17 |
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| mike_xcr | hi all | 17:53 |
| mike_xcr | i'll connect my USB mouse to n800 - i can? | 17:54 |
| mike_xcr | (sorry for my english...) | 17:54 |
| mike_xcr | current i get debian lenny on sdhc memory card | 17:54 |
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| t_s_o | the tablet will register the mouse, but you will not get a pointer on screen, nokia have removed some of the needed graphics iirc... | 18:02 |
| GAN800 | Not removed, made invisible. | 18:02 |
| mike_xcr | but maybe i can install other software for mouse... on debian lenny :( | 18:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, they're there, just it is set to use a transparent cursor | 18:03 |
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| timeless | the browser actually uses a cursor occasionally | 18:03 |
| timeless | (or maybe it fakes it, whichever) | 18:03 |
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| mike_xcr | if i connect my mouse to n800, dmesg view: input: USB Optical mouse as /class/input/input4 | 18:12 |
| mike_xcr | but not working / | 18:12 |
| mike_xcr | :/ | 18:12 |
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| alex_ | Does anyone know where I can find the 2.6.16 kernel .config file for the 770 Kernel. I've searched the web for some days now and the only link is dead. | 19:47 |
| suihkulokki | alex_: make n770_defconfig | 19:49 |
| mike_xcr | alex_: download linux-2.6.16.X and try arch/arm/configs/ | 19:49 |
| alex_ | thx | 19:50 |
| suihkulokki | not any 2.6.16.X will do, you need the maemo kernel fro 2.6.16.x | 19:51 |
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| alex_ | I use the one which I get running apt-get source ... in scratchbox | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | gregale sdk? | 19:53 |
| suihkulokki | that whould work yes | 19:53 |
| oli | how to install maemo-stars on diablo? installer says it needs hildon-libs0 and libdbus-1-2 | 19:53 |
| alex_ | actually I need the option.ko module for my UMTS Stick | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | oli, API break. | 19:54 |
| mike_xcr | oli: what is it "maemo-stars" ? | 19:55 |
| oli | mike_xcr: some kind of astronomy program which shows you actual view of the sky with stars and other objects on it :) | 19:56 |
| mike_xcr | :) | 19:56 |
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| oli | ... trying 'mephemeris' instead | 20:05 |
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| bef0rd | Hola | 20:06 |
| alex_ | And now I get insmod: cannot insert '/home/option.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error | 20:07 |
| alex_ | I compiled it with gcc 3.4.4 also provided with scratchbox | 20:10 |
| alex_ | Is there any switch for the exe format or is this error message produced by something else | 20:11 |
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| Tu13es | anyone running nitdroid? | 20:38 |
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| solca | Tu13es: any problem with NITdroid? | 21:27 |
| Tu13es | solca: no major problems (that aren't documented, at least) | 21:28 |
| Tu13es | just not sure what to do with it :P | 21:28 |
| solca | Tu13es: ah ok | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi Stskeeps | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | finally back in my own apartment, but with gf's parents visiting :P | 22:29 |
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| t_s_o | cute, the vlc icon dons a "santa hat" during the holiday | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, noticed that too | 23:15 |
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| mavhc | I just thought it was the new icon | 23:19 |
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| t_s_o | ? | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | think he's just off for the holidays? :P | 23:23 |
| robink | Probly | 23:24 |
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| stv0 | hi | 23:44 |
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