| * Stskeeps installs fremantle pre-alpha sdk. | 00:02 | |
| * lcuk plays with fremantle toys | 00:03 | |
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| Tu13es | wee, it boots | 00:08 |
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| Tu13es | is this only for people who are compiling nitdroid? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21790 | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | old thread :P | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | and its a seperate OS this time around | 00:17 |
| Tu13es | heh, damn | 00:18 |
| Tu13es | i was wondering why maemo stuff was taking up RAM :P | 00:18 |
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| Stskeeps | 546 cvm 25 0 10428 3224 2716 R 98.5 0.2 0:07.74 sapwood-server | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | hah. replicated it. | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | (on x86) | 00:25 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: woot | 00:28 |
| * qwerty12_N800 waits for Stskeeps's sapwood rewrite :) | 00:29 | |
| Stskeeps | as in, the 100% cpu problem | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | one of the problems at least. | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | write 1 byte to sapwood, and nothing else, and it goes absolutely balistic | 00:29 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: and it wants more eh? | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | but it can't take it in either | 00:31 |
| r2d2rogers | figures | 00:32 |
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| Stskeeps | did we figure out if fremantle SDK makes v7 binaries or v6, yet? | 00:47 |
| andre__ | provide a good testcase for Sapwood's testing framework and attach it to a bug report... | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: hey, i just did that :P | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, the first part | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | adding some bonusses | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | to make it actually suit into the undocumented testing framework :P | 00:53 |
| Stskeeps | (i do read my mail.) :) | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact that if we look at it with completely maemo eyes, the testing framework doesn't work in fremantle sdk for it. | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | as xvfb is non-existent | 00:56 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, heh. great. the test framework is undocumented? sven said there's at least an example testcase. | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: there is, and it's very useful | 01:26 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: btw, sorry if i sounded rude about this, i have no intention to | 01:26 |
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| andre__ | rude? i don't care. i can be rude too :-D | 01:27 |
| andre__ | i need my daily flames otherwise i'm not happy :-P | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:28 |
| Stskeeps | i've added a -large- comment now, explaining the exact, technical, logical problem. | 01:28 |
| andre__ | ah. mapping real names to irc names. ok, gotcha :) | 01:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and, admittedly, i did a mistake by setting severity :) you might want to put "Bug Writing Guidelines" in a very visible place on bugs.maemo.org | 01:30 |
| Stskeeps | since such a guide exists | 01:30 |
| andre__ | yeah... but where? | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok, my bad :) | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's right on the enter bug page step 2 | 01:31 |
| andre__ | oh. okay. i should file more bugs it seems, didn't know that either :-P | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | after going through the steps you are just so focused on writing the actual bug ;) | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | in any case.. the reason i'm even bothering to push this bug - the very real chance an application will die mid way sending something to sapwood. this will cause sapwood go to into a spin and cause system wide instability :) | 01:34 |
| andre__ | i can add some blinking flash videos to get more distracted (or trigger epilepsis) if you want me to ;-) | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | <blink>read the guidelines</blink> | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:34 |
| andre__ | yesh! | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | it was a mistake to remove the blink tag :P | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | NO, you cannot use <blink> tag, its not web 2.0, you need to use AJAX | 01:36 |
| andre__ | i want a <rotate> tag for text, plus icecream and a pony | 01:36 |
| lcuk | http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html | 01:37 |
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| andre__ | awesome. something to check out for the holidays | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | mmm holidays | 01:42 |
| * Stskeeps introduced his gf to most of his family today. went alright. | 01:42 | |
| Stskeeps | could have gone terribly wrong, obviously | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meet the parents style? :) | 01:43 |
| lcuk | heh, how does she think they rated her | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: think it went fine with some, she doesnt really care much as long as my dad likes her, and she does, so :P | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | er | 01:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:43 |
| Stskeeps | she does=he does | 01:44 |
| lcuk | good :) | 01:44 |
| lardman | night all, Merry Xmas if I don't chat to you before hand | 01:51 |
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| * andre__ is too tired to triage the three new bugs he sees. next week. | 01:54 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe, well you are doing quite a valuable effort, you deserve a holiday :) | 01:55 |
| l7 | i've noticed my N800 can get rather warm when i watch a lot of video on it... anyone have ideas on whether this may shorten the tablet's life? | 01:55 |
| l7 | compared to say mainly using the tablet for text or audio playback | 01:56 |
| l7 | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/378/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective was a bit of an eye opener | 01:56 |
| Stskeeps | l7: hard wifi activity? | 01:57 |
| Vulcanis | is it plugged in? | 01:57 |
| Stskeeps | if i didn't have power save, my tablet got warmer | 01:57 |
| l7 | though i suppose it's possible that the tablets are well constructed and they may last though years of thermal cycling | 01:57 |
| l7 | Vulcanis: sometimes... does running from ac power all the time incur a lot more thermal stress? | 01:58 |
| l7 | Stskeeps: yeah sometimes i stream large videos from revision3 directly off the internet just because i can :) | 01:59 |
| l7 | though perhaps it would be better to download the video and play it from my SD card | 01:59 |
| l7 | mostly i'm curious about what types of activity could shorten a tablets life | 02:00 |
| lcuk | l7 i keep my 810 encased in a solid wooden frame plugged into power most night times doing allsorts | 02:01 |
| l7 | and what practices might help extend it's life | 02:01 |
| lcuk | ive even left it charging in its cradle with a book over the top (never again) the device got hot to touch | 02:01 |
| l7 | lcuk: how long has it been doing that? | 02:01 |
| lcuk | that was once only | 02:01 |
| lcuk | the wooden thing is umm about 11 1/2 months | 02:02 |
| Vulcanis | [18:58:35] <l7> Vulcanis: sometimes... does running from ac power all the time incur a lot more thermal stress? -- charging it tends to make it heat up | 02:02 |
| Vulcanis | the battery takes lots of thermal stress, but I wouldn't put it in a toaster every day | 02:02 |
| lcuk | l7, your mobile phone battery goes through same stress, on a long call don't you feel it warm up | 02:03 |
| l7 | hmm, i don't presently have a mobile | 02:09 |
| l7 | i wonder if charging patterns could affect battery life | 02:09 |
| l7 | i've heard that charging for brief periods and then unplugging can reduce a battery's life | 02:10 |
| l7 | though that's more about battery chemistry than thermal stress | 02:10 |
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| ShadowJK_ | After the battery is charged though, running it on AC would make it heat up less | 02:12 |
| Stskeeps | evening GAN800 | 02:13 |
| l7 | yeah, i have noticed that the tablet is fairly cool when running off AC | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK_ | topping up the battery often makes it last longer | 02:13 |
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| ShadowJK_ | compared to waiting for it to be almost-empty before charging | 02:14 |
| l7 | hrm, yeah i've heard that emptying the battery tends to degrade it's chemistry | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK_ | You can't actually empty it all the way :-) | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | There's a chip that makes sure to never drain it too much | 02:15 |
| l7 | yeah, i think it would kill the battery | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | Not only kill it, if you tried charging it again you'd risk explosion :-D | 02:15 |
| l7 | don't all lithium batteries have a chip to kill the battery if the charge gets too low for that reason? | 02:16 |
| l7 | however, i know some laptops (ie apple ones) prevent the battery from charging if the charge is above 95% when you plug it in | 02:16 |
| l7 | the idea being that you want to avoid racking up lots of brief charging sessions | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK_ | In smaller devices like the tablet and cellphones, the chip is in the device, not in the battery | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK_ | Well... You can charge the battery to 60-80% full in 30-60 minutes... Then the last 20% takes an hour or two.. So what Apple and friends like to do is display "battery full" once it's at the end of the fast stage of the charge | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK_ | Once the battery reaches the voltage at which it's considered "full", the safe options are to either feed just enough power to maintain the voltage at "full", or cut the charge. The second alternative is better for battery life. When the voltage falls below a set threshold again, you top it up again. | 02:21 |
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| l7 | hmm | 02:22 |
| l7 | i wonder which option nokia uses | 02:22 |
| l7 | i suppose that could mean apple's "quick charge technology" is just a battery indicator that lies to you | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK_ | yes, it is :-) | 02:23 |
| l7 | heh | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK_ | Well it's not all lies | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK_ | They do have bigger charging current to get the first stage of the charge completed quicker | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK_ | And there are lithium-ion chemistries that accept charge faster than others, but in the cellphone and laptop area the focus is more on energy density and making the battery last longer than a year | 02:25 |
| derf | I'm not sure I've had a Li-Ion battery last longer than a year. | 02:26 |
| l7 | so if a device does not use the second alternative to cut power to the battery after it's full, does it make sense to unplug your device to prolong it's life? | 02:26 |
| derf | Not without at least a 50% reduction in battery life. | 02:26 |
| l7 | huh? | 02:27 |
| ShadowJK_ | l7, well the entire picture is so much more complicated... for the tablet i'd say it's harmless to leave it plugged in all the time | 02:27 |
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| l7 | ah, why is that? | 02:31 |
| ShadowJK_ | Well for one you can't tell what the things do :-) | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK_ | laptops and phones generally have sophisticated battery management chips that do the right thing | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK_ | The $5 standalone tabletop charger, however, is best kept under supervision and battery best removed from it as soon as it signals done | 02:34 |
| l7 | hmm, do you include the N800 in the laptops and phones category? | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh yes | 02:35 |
| GAN800 | Hi, Stskeeps. :D | 02:35 |
| l7 | i think nokia's chargers all have a circuit that reduces their power consumption when they're plugged into the wall but not charging | 02:36 |
| l7 | though that's a slightly different issue | 02:36 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: too much xmas brew? ;) | 02:36 |
| l7 | yum, xmas brew | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | l7, Yeah, I saw Nokia has a goal of making their chargers use 0 power when plugged in but not charging, by some deadline that I forget | 02:37 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, nah, I barely drink at all. I'm just really thrilled to be home after a long day of retail. :P | 02:37 |
| l7 | 0 power would be pretty cool | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK_ | Mind, everyone calls them "chargers", but they're really just powersupplies, the charger is in the phone/tablet :-) | 02:37 |
| l7 | heh | 02:37 |
| l7 | nokia already seems to be ahead of everyone in that area | 02:38 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: hehe. understandable. had the whole "small christmas eve" rush today. so good to just have silence in the house now :P (at my dads) | 02:38 |
| l7 | i wonder the rest of the hardware vendors aren't doing the same thing | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK_ | yeah probably | 02:38 |
| l7 | maybe it has something to do with being based in the EU | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | and greenpeace is on their case like a swarm of mosquitos swarming around your head | 02:39 |
| l7 | heh | 02:40 |
| l7 | greenpeace has giving nokia the best eco rating for the last few years i think | 02:41 |
| l7 | with a few exceptions | 02:41 |
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| gnuton | Hi there | 02:41 |
| l7 | they have been on apple's ass though | 02:41 |
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| ShadowJK_ | oh there was this one laptop manufacturer that made their laptops reject batteries after a year :-) | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK_ | So you had to get new one | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | But if you set date back, suddenly the battery worked again :D | 02:44 |
| * ShadowJK_ forgets who did that | 02:44 | |
| l7 | er, wtf?? that's insane | 02:44 |
| l7 | when did that happen? | 02:44 |
| l7 | that's just pure evil | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | distilled evil :-) | 02:44 |
| l7 | heh, yeah | 02:45 |
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| GAN8001 | Greenpeace is such a joke. | 02:53 |
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| bigpig | I'm running Diablo, but my repositories were never updated from Chinook. Do I need to edit those repos? | 02:54 |
| bigpig | Chinook shows on the Extras repositories. | 02:54 |
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| l7 | What's so bad about Greenpeace? | 03:03 |
| l7 | while some of their stunts are stupid, i find information about whether my new laptop will emit toxic fumes to be useful | 03:04 |
| lcuk | YOU emit toxic fumes | 03:05 |
| l7 | well, that's a different story :p | 03:06 |
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| l7 | i remember new laptops from 4-5 years ago would have a strong chemical odor | 03:06 |
| l7 | the newer ones don't, that seems to be a good thing to me | 03:07 |
| bigpig | 17: are you suggesting that Greenpeace affected that? | 03:08 |
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| GAN8001 | l7, because all of their "information" is bullshit | 03:09 |
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| GAN8001 | The anti-Apple stuff was a publicity stunt. | 03:09 |
| GAN8001 | The founder has left the organization because they've become so insane and corrupt. | 03:09 |
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| Stskeeps | evening solca | 03:10 |
| solca | hi! | 03:10 |
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| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, so, what've I missed over the last two days? :( | 03:10 |
| Raytray | Hmm, mcalendar syncs to my google calendar correctly.. but has the events start/end time an hour later... | 03:10 |
| Raytray | Anyone know where I screwed up/ | 03:10 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: not much really. got a -sane- mer sdk going. i've spent more time dealing with sapwood than i would like to ( https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 ) and it's christmas | 03:11 |
| GAN8001 | Raytray, no, but find Khertan and bug him about it. :P | 03:11 |
| Stskeeps | solca: how's everything going? | 03:11 |
| Raytray | My timezone settings are correct and all. | 03:12 |
| Raytray | :p GAN8001 | 03:12 |
| Raytray | How's out of town going for ya? :P | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | Well, it's more like "in town" for me. | 03:12 |
| solca | Stskeeps: not much, I have been AFK all this time :( | 03:12 |
| solca | Stskeeps: how Mer going_ | 03:12 |
| Stskeeps | solca: hehe.. know the feeling, i was afk most of the day :P | 03:12 |
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| GAN8001 | But retail still sucks and it's colder than I'd like it to be. | 03:12 |
| jakemaheu | hello solca! | 03:13 |
| Raytray | Well your away message is out of town :p | 03:13 |
| l7 | bigpig: no, but though they are one of the few outlets that is doing much reporting on the subject | 03:13 |
| Stskeeps | solca: sdk works and running an imager atm for mer to isolate some tablet-isms | 03:13 |
| l7 | if there's a better primary source for information on what chemicals are used in computer hardware, i'm open to suggestions | 03:13 |
| Stskeeps | solca: like, a package shouldn't rely on stuff like /proc/component_version or on a certain kernel being installed on the imager :P | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | Raytray, hehe, well, most of the people that are likely to try to contact me there that would be true for. | 03:14 |
| Raytray | :p | 03:14 |
| GAN8001 | l7, made up data is worse than no data at all. | 03:14 |
| solca | Stskeeps: component_version is standarized? | 03:15 |
| jakemaheu | 17: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_circuit_board | 03:15 |
| solca | jakemaheu: hi | 03:15 |
| Stskeeps | solca: no, not at all. its a tablet kernel interface i believe | 03:15 |
| Raytray | GAN8001, I'm really considering your suggestion of getting more chargers. | 03:15 |
| l7 | GAN8001: what data has Greenpeace made up lately? | 03:15 |
| solca | Stskeeps: all kernels I have compiled have correct component_version | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | Raytray, one for every flat surface in the house. :P | 03:15 |
| GAN8001 | $20 will get you about 5 | 03:16 |
| Stskeeps | solca: yeah, but we're not going to build the images on a tablet :) | 03:16 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is to build them in emulator for instance | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | l7, most of the Apple publicity stunt for one. | 03:16 |
| Raytray | hah | 03:16 |
| l7 | jakemaheu: how does that wikipedia page provide information on which manufacturers use more chemicals? | 03:16 |
| Stskeeps | solca: so the packages postinst and such should not look for target information there | 03:16 |
| solca | Stskeeps: haha compiling all Mer in a tablet, maybe in a year you have your first image :P | 03:16 |
| GAN8001 | l7, you know that baby seal clubbing stuff? They clubbed them themselves to film it. | 03:16 |
| l7 | GAN8001: that is old news though. not that i think much of that stunt | 03:16 |
| Stskeeps | solca: which is why we made a sdk ;) | 03:17 |
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| GAN8001 | l7, take everything you hear or read from Greenpeace with a massive grain of salt. | 03:17 |
| l7 | GAN8001: i don't really care if they club seals or not actually | 03:17 |
| Stskeeps | solca: but when i say imaging it's stuff like debootstrap, making jffs images, etc | 03:17 |
| solca | Stskeeps: yea I got it | 03:17 |
| GAN8001 | l7, the point is, it doesn't do much for their credibility. | 03:17 |
| solca | damn! | 03:18 |
| * solca has to leave again :( | 03:18 | |
| l7 | GAN8001: for the purpose of this topic, i only care about the content of the eco ratings about hardware companies | 03:18 |
| Stskeeps | cya, solca | 03:18 |
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| l7 | again, it's not like anyone else has done much reporting on the topic | 03:18 |
| GAN8001 | l7, or all the anti-nuclear propaganda they love to spread around. | 03:18 |
| l7 | most news articles about chemicals used in computers link back to the greenpeace articles | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | l7, but the veracity of those reports is suspect because of the organization they're coming from. | 03:19 |
| l7 | again, i don't really care about their anti-nuke stuff | 03:19 |
| solca | Stskeeps: cya | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | l7, it's all lies from the same organization. | 03:19 |
| l7 | i just want some data on who's making cleaner computer | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | It doesn't matter if YOU don't care about it, it all affects the organization's credibility. | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | But clearly I'm not convincing you, so there's no point in continuing the discussion. | 03:20 |
| l7 | okay, that's all well and good, but is anyone else covering the subject? | 03:20 |
| l7 | if someone else has produced a report comparable to http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/how-the-companies-line-up i am all ears | 03:20 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: i still think you'd win a competition for fastest n800 typing without a bluetooth keyboard? :P | 03:20 |
| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, on the G4 at the moment. | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | so GANG4 then ;> | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | er | 03:21 |
| GAN8001 | Yup | 03:21 |
| Stskeeps | GAG4.. which sounds weird. | 03:21 |
| l7 | GAN8001: you don't seem to be addressing that the underlying issue, you're just throwing character attacks at greenpeace | 03:21 |
| GAN8001 | What "character"? | 03:22 |
| l7 | like i said, i don't really care who does environmental reporting about computers, but if there's some else who does it that would be great | 03:23 |
| GAN8001 | So you just take information from any source at face value, then? | 03:24 |
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| l7 | no | 03:24 |
| l7 | but it does seem to be a bit of problem when all other news sources point back to them | 03:24 |
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| l7 | if that's there case, where else can you get information about the subject? | 03:24 |
| l7 | if there was another source doing the research instead of greenpeace, i'd look at their data | 03:25 |
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| sin18 | on my tablet (n800/diablo) it shows only as 8MB available for virtual mem. even though there is over 1GB avaiable on the internal SD card; it seems it is looking at internal memory (which has only 10MB available) ? | 03:30 |
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| Vulcanis | Nope, but its near christmas so many are busy, sin18 | 04:43 |
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| johnx | hallo! :D | 05:57 |
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| johnx | lcuk, you awake or just your computer? :P | 06:02 |
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| WorkingOnWise | How do i format a partition on my sd card with ext3? N800 OS2008 and latest update, 43-7 | 07:13 |
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| johnx | mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblkMpN where N is 0 for internal or 1 for external and where N is the partition number | 07:14 |
| johnx | you need e2fsprogs | 07:14 |
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| johnx | did you catch that or should I repost? | 07:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | Repost please. | 07:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | Thanks too. | 07:16 |
| johnx | <johnx> mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblkMpN where N is 0 for internal or 1 for external and where N is the partition number | 07:16 |
| johnx | <johnx> you need e2fsprogs | 07:16 |
| johnx | damn, that first N is supposed to be an M. bleh | 07:16 |
| johnx | "...where M is 0 for internal..." | 07:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | I have it. | 07:17 |
| WorkingOnWise | Thanks johnx. Thats doing it. | 07:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | Is it me, or is the itt forum getting really messy, hard to find info unless you already know what you need? | 07:22 |
| WorkingOnWise | Time to try cloning. Thanks again johnx | 07:25 |
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| orifice | I'm performing a clone to internal memory on an n810 but on the nupgrade steps (http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card) I'm getting an error saying unable to locate mbcache.ko | 08:48 |
| orifice | mbcache.ko exists in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 | 08:49 |
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| orifice | ok I just took a look at the script and solved the problem. | 08:57 |
| orifice | why does the card have to be partitioned with a fat partition followed by the ext2 | 08:58 |
| johnx | it doesn't, but it lets you keep using it as storage when connected to usb or booted to flash | 09:01 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | moo, Jaffa, johnx | 09:36 |
| riot | hmm.. gpe-calendar doesn't really work well with online-calendars.. :( | 09:44 |
| riot | doesn't import anything at all | 09:44 |
| riot | just spits out error messages or does nothing, with various sources.. saad | 09:44 |
| riot | anybody know an alternative? I'm mainly working with a sunbird calendar and other iCal (ics)-stuff | 09:45 |
| Jaffa | mCalendar | 09:47 |
| * Jaffa has given up on calendars on his N810 for now, and has gone to a sub-optimal, read-only view on his phone | 09:47 | |
| riot | hmm... that really is suboptimal. I wasn't able to get S60_3rd to synch with anything i use... | 09:49 |
| riot | this mess is going on for at least 10 years now. Its SO annoying | 09:49 |
| riot | i think Microsoft and their Outlook-Crap are mostly to blame.. Maybe lotus, too.. | 09:50 |
| riot | bloody inbreds.. | 09:50 |
| riot | lol, my app-manager almost always tells me "Installation didn't work" and then the apps still work perfectly.. tsss.. | 09:51 |
| riot | aaaw.. fennec's really NICE. | 09:52 |
| RST38h | 1417 /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES | 09:52 |
| RST38h | 536 /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES | 09:53 |
| RST38h | Anybody knows WHY? | 09:53 |
| riot | slashdot works way better with fennec, but still is no fun with 400 MHz.. | 09:54 |
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| riot | Jaffa: nah, the mcalendar i have here can only synch to googles calendar..foo.. no way. | 10:00 |
| riot | i'm working for google now and then and still wouldn't entrust them with this kind of information | 10:00 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: what's the mer-d945gclf2-fs-only target? | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: for a intel board | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | a tv-out target though | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | (incomplete in the upload source) | 11:38 |
| Meizirkki | k | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: but i have had mer going on a tv.. :) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00007.JPG | 12:02 |
| Meizirkki | i saw that, pretty cool :P | 12:02 |
| Meizirkki | i'll try on a i386 computer | 12:02 |
| Meizirkki | soon | 12:02 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: nifty tv :P | 12:05 |
| aquatix | ah, intel board ;) | 12:06 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: did the app-selectior appear in the middle of the screen? (that happens with rotated maemo) | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: nop, it wasn't rotated | 12:07 |
| Meizirkki | i did not mean to ask if it was, i meant, did bigger screen resolution cause app-selector to not appear at the low corner..? | 12:08 |
| Meizirkki | (or did the screen reso cause any broplems?) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | oh, it's just 800x600 | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- it was there but out of the picture | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | couldn't control margins so | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | near, clutter is coming for stage trunk | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, i mea | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | n | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i ported liqbase 0.1.5 to x86 last night :: the performance issues i saw with simplistic ogl were nowhere to be seen, its really really cool to see liqbase in big but then also running same app on the small carry along | 12:25 |
| lcuk | im not so sure now i want to rehome it in something that will make it slower :$ | 12:25 |
| RST38h | ~burn ALSA | 12:25 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over ALSA, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 12:25 | |
| RST38h | ~curse ALSA | 12:26 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ALSA ! | 12:26 |
| RST38h | ~screw ALSA badly | 12:26 |
| * infobot asks ALSA badly to bend over | 12:26 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Indeed, bring in the goodies :) | 12:26 |
| lcuk | heh rst, havin problems with ALSA? | 12:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "problems" does not even start to describe it | 12:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: looks like 70% of the declared API just does not work | 12:26 |
| RST38h | causing kernel panics even | 12:27 |
| lcuk | ooooer thats not good | 12:27 |
| RST38h | that's Linux for you | 12:27 |
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| lcuk | nahhh | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hehe, seems to require open es gl :) | 12:27 |
| * RST38h has never seen FreeBSD /dev/dsp or /dev/pcm cause kernel panics | 12:27 | |
| Stskeeps | or what it is called | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, you could try Vincent.. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:27 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, opengl compositing engines can map Xv video onto a texture surface and blit it without the app ever knowing its in ogl cant they? | 12:28 |
| lcuk | (please say yes, please say yes, please say yes ;) ) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i have utterly no clue | 12:28 |
| lcuk | bollocks! | 12:29 |
| * Stskeeps 's expertise is in other areas | 12:29 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: afaik no | 12:29 |
| lcuk | well then ive not only got the fastest renderer for omap/maemo, its also the fastest for x86 and my tabletpc :) | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | renderer of what? | 12:30 |
| lcuk | liqbase | 12:30 |
| RST38h | no, I mean, does it render anything useful? =) | 12:30 |
| lcuk | just my thoughts :) | 12:30 |
| RST38h | can't sell that... | 12:31 |
| lcuk | whos interested in selling? i just want to play | 12:31 |
| RST38h | you do want to promote it though? =) | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | no i don't, i just want to use it. i wrote it for me and it works | 12:35 |
| lcuk | if others want to use it thats amazing, but customer #1 is so far more than happy | 12:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :) ive waited long enough to build code i can touch. ive thought about how it should work for a long time now, this year has been amazing in that I finally got to describe and touch what ive been considering all this time, next year it will go further and build more | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: well, if you are doing it for yourself only, then it is all valid :) | 12:54 |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 12:57 |
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| dystopia | Nokia Shop Attacked by Mob Over Mapping Software Dispute http://www.cellular-news.com/story/35285.php | 12:59 |
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| WormFood | anyone have any good thinking games for the N800? I've pretty much worn out hex-a-hop | 12:59 |
| lcuk | dystopia, omg | 13:02 |
| WormFood | Back in 2001, Panasonic had a 12 month ban import imposed on it for selling phones in China which listed Taiwan as a separate country on the internal phonebook. <-- heh | 13:02 |
| * WormFood is in China | 13:02 | |
| lcuk | imagine if they found out there was no powervr ! | 13:02 |
| WormFood | did you know, you can't really buy the N800 or N810 in China....you can get them, but they are VERY expensive | 13:03 |
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| WormFood | one of my friends, had an N810 given to them by nokia, and it was turned away by the post office...twice | 13:03 |
| lcuk | wormfood, isnt that simply because its outside normal market, didnt i read somewhere about nokia not really being in asian countries anyway | 13:04 |
| * dystopia heads to Wayfinder office | 13:06 | |
| dystopia | China has revisions of Nokia devices specifically for Chinese market | 13:07 |
| dystopia | maybe in hong kong it'd fly? | 13:07 |
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| WormFood | that is completely false lcuk | 13:16 |
| WormFood | nokia is VERY popular in China | 13:16 |
| lcuk | :) happy to be proved wrong | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | WormFood: They even have a lot of clones ;) | 13:16 |
| WormFood | I'd say 60-75% of the phones owned by my friends and students are nokia | 13:16 |
| lcuk | i wont make that mistake again, i dont know where i saw it | 13:16 |
| WormFood | now what nokia needs is a touch screen, that you can use to write chinese characters | 13:17 |
| WormFood | now, the N8x0 is not targeted to asia | 13:17 |
| WormFood | so, you don't see those | 13:17 |
| lcuk | that might be it then :) i have been pretty focused | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | WormFood: Did you try any of the other input methods for chinese chars? | 13:18 |
| WormFood | when people see my nokia, they look at it curiously | 13:18 |
| WormFood | yes X-Fade, and I had to remove them | 13:18 |
| WormFood | scim broke my n800 | 13:19 |
| WormFood | no keyboard input worked after installing scim (and associated tools) | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | WormFood: Hmm that is not good :) | 13:19 |
| WormFood | I haven't seen any input methods for the n800 that allows me to "draw" chinese characters | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | It removes/disables the hildon-input-method iirc | 13:19 |
| WormFood | no, I was rather disappointed | 13:19 |
| WormFood | I don't know, but it is pretty gay that it breaks keyboard input | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it should be a plugin for HIM. | 13:20 |
| WormFood | after I removed the right package, it worked | 13:20 |
| WormFood | if anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | jakemaheu, around? :) | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | WormFood: And maemocjk? | 13:22 |
| WormFood | I forget what I installed | 13:22 |
| WormFood | what I picked out of the package list, wasn't a package per se, but a package of packages | 13:23 |
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| Meiz_n810 | pb:s bootmenu works well with Mer :P | 13:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | i didn't edit any bootmenu.conf or .item files... really easy | 13:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | b-man is working on Mer-installer for NIT:s? | 13:34 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i'm suggesting to use pb:s tools with it, they are really easy to use... | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: pb's bootmenu should really stay far away from mer | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | they don't support linuxrc and may nuke your installation | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is good, sure, and i hope nitselector will have similar | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | but that particular implementation .. :) | 13:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: what does linuxrc provide? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sane boot up environment. sane wifi, sane time, fscking, etc | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | trust me, there was a reason i added that extension :) | 13:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes, i believe you :) bt fsck no more crashes at boot, that's a good thing. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and that's a fix i removed in the hopes that it would help, but it's pretty simple to fix it | 13:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | there was same problem in deblet at first | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | thanks for reminding me it existed thoug | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: the sideeffect of using pb bootmenu is the partition will slowly corrupt | 13:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | hmm... is the deblet bootmenu updated for the latest SSU yet? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, long ago | 13:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | good | 13:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | does rescue-menu come up only if bootmenu supports linuxrc? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm actually not sure but | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | -maybe- | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | when nitselector is done, things will be a lot more sane :P | 13:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | well, at least it came up with pb:s | 13:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 13:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | is it possible, that pb:s bootmenu destroyed my Mer installation? | 13:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | wlan-cal crashes it... | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, yeah | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | there's a thing initfs does .. | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | it nukes /var/tmp completely | 13:44 |
| * qwerty12 tries out nitdroid on his N800 and is impressed muchly | 13:44 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe, your initial work made into this? ;) | 13:44 |
| WormFood | what type of program is that qwerty12? | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, it did? :D | 13:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok, i will get back to the better menu immediately... any hope it would work again? | 13:45 |
| qwerty12 | WormFood, android for n8x0 | 13:45 |
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| qwerty12 | WormFood, http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: possibly corrupted, sorry | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | there used to be a huge warning when booting from non-deblet bootmenu :) | 13:46 |
| Meiz_n810 | grr.. stupid me.. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: something you'd use on a daily basis though? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder.. | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if I could boot back into Maemo, sure. I think Android will get a lot more apps :/ | 13:47 |
| WormFood | ok, I've seen the android homepage, and read about nitdroid...but why would I want to use it (give me some compelling reason(s) as to why I might want to use it) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: couldn't we do a funny trick with suspend to disk and kexec? | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if mtd devices are accessible through android... | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | fast-ish switch between OS'es | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I wonder if solca's nitdroid works if you pivot root to it (like when we chrooted into the old one). If so, I could probably hack up the initfs | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | and boot into nitdroid using bootmenu | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: well his selector will be a "bootmenu" replacement | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'm too impatient :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | + I compiled a new 2.6.21 kernel this morning that I'm itching to try out :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, alternate kernel OS'es will definately be more sane with kexec :P | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | instead of having to flash constantly | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | still, an applet saying "switch to mer" or "switch to maemo" could be neat | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | resuming last session | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | er | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | switch to nitdroid | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | I'm also waiting on the webkit engine for browser-ui engine to be release :) | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 13:51 |
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| qwerty12 | I wonder if fiferboy still has his microb-svn packages... I know they didn't work but I'll be damned if I'm waiting hours again for them to compile | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | microb-svn? | 13:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, the engine in the svn. I swear chinook's browser with the (old now) microb-svn packages Navi compiled ran faster than the diablo browser now. | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | ~burn HP's sucky card readers | 13:57 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over HP's sucky card readers, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 13:57 | |
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| Meizirkki | qwerty12: where to unpack the libz.tar.gz | 14:15 |
| Meizirkki | the bzr for maemo | 14:15 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/lib/python2.5 iirc | 14:15 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 14:15 |
| qwerty12 | grumble, I should bytecompile those and put up a deb | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | or port git :P | 14:22 |
| qwerty12 | git-core is already in extras[-devel] | 14:23 |
| qwerty12 | eurgh, using busybox vi through adb doesn't go so well >.<. I'll have to use sed :/ | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 14:24 |
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| oli | http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln0e9MsoArY ;) | 14:26 |
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| RST38h | reMoo | 14:28 |
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| oli | http://wklej.org/id/31381/txt <- super script I used to make the movie | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | "Since you are not busy, can we go read BIOS copyright message together?@ | 14:39 |
| oli | btw, how to take photos from console? | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | you will need a digital camera to shoot yor reflection in the touchscreen | 14:44 |
| oli | it there a console command which can be used to take a photo with the n800 bulit-in camera ? :) | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | afaik not | 14:48 |
| RST38h | "it is illegal in the us to use human waste to power vehicles" (guess what kind of waste has been used) | 14:52 |
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| oli | so, maybe any console utility to check battery state? | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | oil: it is readable from procfs afaik | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | qwerty | 15:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi RST3 | 15:12 |
| RST38h | whats new and exciting? | 15:15 |
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| GAN8001 | Somebody go slap 412b for considering opening his own repo. :\ | 15:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I think it's because he isn't sure on how to debianize the app so he can use the autobuilder :(. A job for the future debmaster :) | 15:32 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, then the right solution is for somebody to help him do it, not to open another repo. | 15:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, oh, most definitely. (Pro-extras here) | 15:40 |
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| GAN8001 | Well, off to work, if I don't drop in before Christmas I hope everybody has a happy one. :) | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy, and same back | 15:45 |
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| johnx | darn, just missed him | 15:49 |
| johnx | but, merry christmas to everyone still here :) | 15:49 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 15:51 |
| johnx | I live in the future of all of you, so if you want to know what christmas will be like early, just ask in another hour :D | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | Don't want to know the result, so I'll look away | 15:53 |
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| aquatix | Khertan_n810: you here? | 16:05 |
| aquatix | you still working on mCalendar? | 16:05 |
| aquatix | i have some bugs and feature requests :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, so far it's been decent here :P | 16:08 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: smb worked with hildonfm in Mer | 16:31 |
| Meizirkki | "Browse backroud" thing shows my network folders | 16:31 |
| Meizirkki | s/backroud"/background"/ | 16:32 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: "Browse background" thing shows my network folders | 16:32 |
| lcuk | ho ho ho | 16:33 |
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| johnx | glad to hear it Stskeeps. doesn't really feel like christmas here, but that's ok | 16:45 |
| johnx | lcuk, ever figure out why clutter felt slow? | 16:45 |
| lcuk | johnx, no and its a bit worrysome, its VERY likely my machine cos other ogl things run slowly as well | 16:46 |
| johnx | yeah, probably don't have hardware opengl acceleration setup | 16:46 |
| lcuk | i just hope thats not a symptom of deeper issues | 16:46 |
| lcuk | i cant see it being though, we create comlex ogl worlds in other places | 16:47 |
| johnx | want to post up your xorg.conf file? | 16:49 |
| lcuk | yeah, just giz a mo john, just finishing editing http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | johnx, i got liqbase 0.1.5 running (to a degree) on x86, and its impressive, i just need to make it transparent to have sketches on both machines. i need the instant capture aspects of the handheld but then want to spread out when i get home | 17:00 |
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| johnx | sounds good. bet it's a lot of fun on such a big screen | 17:03 |
| lcuk | yeah it is, but the quality of the screen is dire compared to the nokia | 17:04 |
| lcuk | its 1024*768 but at really low dpi, i find myself not writing much more notewise on a page and just writing bigger | 17:05 |
| johnx | well that's kind of a shame. the elbow room is nice though, right? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | elbow room as in space to put stuff? or horsepower | 17:06 |
| lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1293025 | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | you know what else surprises me about liqbase vs windows. liqbase is so much more touchable! windows might be nice to have touchscreen, but because you still have to aim at the tiny scrollbars and stuff it makes it really hard work | 17:08 |
| johnx | random question: do you have 3D effects enabled for the desktop? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | no i disabled all fancy crap | 17:08 |
| johnx | ok, good :) | 17:08 |
| lcuk | no wobbly windows or minimize things etc | 17:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, I loaded a shitload of extensions so i could get hw ogl :/ | 17:08 |
| lcuk | but if i use wobbly windows doesnt that use the OGL for compositing and not specifically for apps | 17:09 |
| johnx | it uses it for compositing, but every window is drawn to an off-screen texture | 17:09 |
| lcuk | ie gl apps become offsecreen rendered and need to be essentially rendered twice | 17:09 |
| johnx | right | 17:10 |
| johnx | so you have "visual effects" set to "none" right? | 17:10 |
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| johnx | cause normal is just as bad as extra really | 17:10 |
| lcuk | confirming.. | 17:10 |
| lcuk | visual effects: NONE (theres also normal and extra, extra makes things wobbly) | 17:11 |
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| johnx | yeah, I have more than extra enabled :) | 17:11 |
| lcuk | extra extra | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: my family are geeks so there's a mini lan party right now in the house :P | 17:11 |
| johnx | re touchability of standard desktop apps: yeah, that's the really big barrier to using unmodified debian on the tablets, it's just a pain to interact with | 17:11 |
| lcuk | it was the same with windows though | 17:11 |
| lcuk | over 90% of any given screen was non interactive to swipes | 17:12 |
| lcuk | you have to aim and its not on | 17:12 |
| johnx | yeah, a mouse/touchpad just calls for a different UI design than a touchscreen | 17:12 |
| lcuk | liqbase is easy (H) | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: saw my sapwood saga so far? http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 | 17:12 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:12 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, catching up | 17:12 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe.. sometimes it's easier to fix something than spend days on end discussing a change :P | 17:13 |
| johnx | yeah, looks that way :/ | 17:14 |
| johnx | let's paint the barn green | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:14 |
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| johnx | heh...a testing framework that can't be used with the publicly released sdk? awesome | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and the bug is a bit serious, in case a client dies prematurly it will get a tiny bit of data and loop infinitely.. | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | if it only sends some data in the buffer :P | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | .. but that's worst case scenario | 17:16 |
| lcuk | clients dont die | 17:17 |
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| atkarc | Hello | 17:17 |
| atkarc | There is a hungarian? | 17:17 |
| lcuk | a hungarian what? | 17:17 |
| atkarc | a hungarian people :) | 17:18 |
| atkarc | or somebady, who can speak hungarian :D | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: but yeah, i'm going to leave this bug at this as i can replicate it fully, and get on with other stuff :P | 17:18 |
| lcuk | atkarc, sorry, english only for me, others might though | 17:18 |
| atkarc | np | 17:19 |
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| atkarc | but i have a problem, with install gaim | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: but in defense of sapwood is .. technically within gnome instead | 17:19 |
| atkarc | i use os 2007 hacker in my 770 | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | but reporting is in the maemo framework, so its hard :) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: merry xmas btw | 17:20 |
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| johnx | ah, thanks :) just turned christmas here | 17:21 |
| atkarc | and when i install the gaim, i have this problem: Application packages missing: libgcrypt11 (>=1.2.2) and libgnutls11 (>=1.0.16) | 17:22 |
| atkarc | what can i do? | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, hehe, merry christmas. Any good sales in Japan? :D | 17:22 |
| johnx | wouldn't really know. I've been avoiding shopping | 17:23 |
| johnx | thankfully christmas isn't quite the same capitalist event as it is in America | 17:24 |
| lcuk | so johnx (merry xmas) you are the reason for the worldwide ecenomic collapse | 17:24 |
| atkarc | everybody can help me? | 17:24 |
| lcuk | if you had gone shopping the shopkeepers couldv bought more presents themselves and it wouldv cascaded around the world | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | atkarc: look into a gaim for os2007he specifically | 17:25 |
| lcuk | sorry atkarc check your repositories or search gronmayer to find out which repository contains the missing packages | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i never used 2007 and am used to explicitely using the nokia and maemo.org repositories now | 17:26 |
| johnx | atkarc, search on http://gronmayer.com/it | 17:26 |
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| atkarc | oh | 17:27 |
| atkarc | thanks | 17:27 |
| atkarc | in gronmayer i found this packages ^^ | 17:27 |
| lcuk | johnx (or should i call you santa?) i set effects to normal and it appeared less jerky but flickered showing the console window from behind through and had no window frame chrome | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | ill stick with the baseline for now and work on drivers later | 17:28 |
| johnx | lcuk, eep. ah, I mainly wonder if the intel driver you're using is the fastest for 3D | 17:28 |
| johnx | I'll poke around and see if I come up with anything | 17:28 |
| lcuk | yeah but tbh its not that important for now | 17:28 |
| lcuk | thanks :) | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | im more wanting to get to know the clutter actors and how they interact | 17:29 |
| johnx | lcuk, just one thing then: would you mind running glxinfo | grep -i direct | 17:31 |
| lcuk | direct rendering: yes | 17:31 |
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| atkarc | hmm | 17:32 |
| atkarc | i add the "maemo-hackers" repository | 17:32 |
| atkarc | and refresh the application list | 17:32 |
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| atkarc | but i can't find the missing packages. :S | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | (i switched back to minimal effects after the flickering was worse) johnx, dont worry enjoy your xmas theres tonnes of time to optimize | 17:33 |
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| johnx | heh...just sitting around here watching a movie :) | 17:35 |
| lcuk | whats on? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | and since you were awake did you miss santa/ | 17:38 |
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| cbx33 | is there something wrong with the nokia repos? | 17:39 |
| cbx33 | i can't update my n810 | 17:39 |
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| thebishop | anyone have experience with the Cirrus Logic EP93xx series? It's an arm-based SOC. | 17:41 |
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| johnx | lcuk, anime from bittorrent :) lupin the 3rd. :D yeah, guess I missed santa then, but really it barely feels like christmas here | 17:42 |
| cbx33 | johnx, you an anime fan too :p | 17:43 |
| lcuk | thats not good, ill raise a glass from manchester for you tomorrow, you've put loads of effort in and been helpful to many | 17:43 |
| cbx33 | hey lcuk you in the uk? | 17:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, thanks, but don't fret too much. I'll likely be having a slightly delayed post-christmas with my family :) | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | apart from the bits i keep leaving in cyberspace yeah | 17:44 |
| cbx33 | does anyone else feel that not so many people are decorating these days?? | 17:44 |
| johnx | nah, lots of people decorate here surprisingly :) | 17:46 |
| lcuk | cbx33, my dayjob involves software sold to shops directly relating to home improvments and for now weve not noticed much of a change in patterns | 17:46 |
| johnx | and yeah, somewhat of an anime fan, but I have somewhat eclectic taste | 17:46 |
| cbx33 | i meant for christmas lcuk :p | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | well thats normal | 17:47 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 17:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh decorating as in trees etc | 17:47 |
| cbx33 | anyone else having problems updating the n810 today? | 17:47 |
| cbx33 | lcuk, yeh | 17:47 |
| atkarc | thank you for the help, merry xmas, byebye | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | cbx33, what repos do you have enabled? | 17:49 |
| cbx33 | just the main nokia ones and maemo extras | 17:49 |
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| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 17:50 |
| lardman_n810 | hey qwerty12 | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | lardman_n810, I was looking and I don't know if this helps you any in your quest for the dsp mem stuff but I found this : http://git.rtp-net.org/?p=n770.git;a=blob;f=dsp_mem_hack.patch;h=d25d8553ffa79b5f12412b64d38faebb4d3c448e;hb=HEAD | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | (for 770 though) | 17:51 |
| lcuk | heh qwerty, you've had that queued up waiting for lardman to arrive | 17:51 |
| cbx33 | adobe flash player isnt available for example | 17:51 |
| lardman_n810 | hmm, what is it? not enough mem to open another window | 17:51 |
| lcuk | hiya lardman_n810 | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | lardman_n810, something to do with dsp and the memory (there's no description). I thought it may help you trying locating the kernel change | 17:53 |
| lardman_n810 | qwerty12: i've loaded it don't worry; thanks | 17:53 |
| lardman_n810 | lcuk: hey | 17:53 |
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| cbx33 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/pool/diablo/user/ | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | where did all the packages go#? | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/dists/diablo/user/ | 18:01 |
| cbx33 | ahh i see | 18:01 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 18:02 |
| cbx33 | nothing in their either | 18:02 |
| johnx | pretty sure there never were packages there. and yes, lots of packages were never available from the repo, such as flash | 18:03 |
| johnx | though it should be in the updates repo | 18:03 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 18:03 |
| cbx33 | my n810 got a list of updates, but won't update | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | can't find the actual packages | 18:04 |
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| johnx | so when you try to let it do the update what does it say in the log? | 18:07 |
| johnx | menu -> tools -> log (or something) | 18:07 |
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| johnx | have fun lardman_n810 :D | 18:07 |
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| cbx33 | leme see | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | heh, merry christmas lardman_n810 | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | enjoy xmas simon | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | (and merry christmas to everyone else) | 18:08 |
| lardman_n810 | thanks you too, and everyone else | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | johnx, http://markmail.org/message/kbrzrexq44qo2low?q=aisleriot+clutter&page=1&refer=gmnfnzm47pyc5pgx | 18:08 |
| lardman_n810 | see you chaps later - will prob get bored of xmas stuff then :) | 18:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, I miss gnome stones (I think), stupid copyright issues (grr) | 18:09 |
| cbx33 | johnx, nothing in the log | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | my url for updates has diablo-2 | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | is that wrong? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | oh, you should take off the "-2" | 18:12 |
| cbx33 | it was like that when i got it | 18:12 |
| cbx33 | qwerty12, that other one had -3 | 18:12 |
| cbx33 | whats right??? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | -3 | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | -3 is the newest | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | so | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Although my one says -2 | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | can i just change it to -3 | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | mine cant find any of the actual packages | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | any ideas? | 18:16 |
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| cbx33 | hmmm | 18:22 |
| johnx | cbx33, are you perhaps in red pill mode or something? | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | it doesn't even try to get the package from the net | 18:22 |
| cbx33 | yes i am | 18:23 |
| cbx33 | i think | 18:23 |
| cbx33 | how do i tell again | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have the settings option visible? | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | yes | 18:24 |
| cbx33 | :) | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | You're in red pill mode :) | 18:25 |
| cbx33 | is thus why updates don't weork? | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Could be, it's worth a try going into blue pill mode anyway | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | you can go back?? | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, the same way you went into red pill mode :) | 18:26 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:26 |
| johnx | except this time choose blue pill :P | 18:26 |
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| cbx33 | thanks | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | works now | 18:28 |
| cbx33 | where do i get an irc client? | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Xchat should be in extras | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | not here | 18:29 |
| cbx33 | lemme try again | 18:29 |
| krutt | i prefer irssi =D | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | There's always one :P | 18:30 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 18:30 |
| cbx33 | is that in extras??? | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Don't think so no, I think lots like to leave it running on their desktop computers and ssh in | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | ahh yeh | 18:31 |
| cbx33 | i do that too | 18:31 |
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| johnx | I use it directly on my zaurus. :) lately I've been just using the console on that machine. works really great | 18:33 |
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| cbx33 | damn i hate those feature upgrades | 18:35 |
| cbx33 | now mireless doesn't work | 18:35 |
| cbx33 | wireless | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, that's normal, it'll reconnect | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | (icd2 gets stopped so it can be upgraded) | 18:35 |
| disco_stu | is there a new SSU ? | 18:35 |
| cbx33 | well it rebotted | 18:35 |
| cbx33 | and now it doesn't work | 18:36 |
| cbx33 | I'll try another reboot | 18:36 |
| cbx33 | phew | 18:37 |
| cbx33 | thanks guys | 18:38 |
| cbx33 | :) | 18:38 |
| * cbx33 is happy again | 18:38 | |
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| cbx33 | which repos are not likely to break things | 18:40 |
| cbx33 | i have maemo extras | 18:40 |
| cbx33 | unless i go into redpill mode i only get about 20 pacakges to install in All Packages | 18:41 |
| cbx33 | even with maemo extras enabled | 18:41 |
| cbx33 | if i go into red pill i see tem all | 18:41 |
| cbx33 | sound normal? | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you, around? | 18:45 |
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| cbx33 | qwerty12, what do you have in app manager when you have extras enabled? | 18:47 |
| lcuk | extra things | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, in particular, this horrible thing called liqbase sticks out at me | 18:48 |
| lcuk | be thankful i didnt xcall it aaliqbase | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | cbx33, Abuse, Aisleriot, Barrage, bash2, battlegweled, blobwars, boswars, bomberman, canola2 + plugins and quite a bit of other stuff | 18:49 |
| cbx33 | nope | 18:49 |
| cbx33 | i don't get any of that | 18:49 |
| cbx33 | unless vi'm in red pill | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | I'm in blue pill mode and I'm seeing them | 18:50 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 18:51 |
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| cbx33 | odd | 18:51 |
| cbx33 | whats your update url? | 18:52 |
| lcuk | how do i put osk on in ubuntu? | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | cbx33, web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ distribution: (blank) components: free non-free | 18:53 |
| cbx33 | :) | 18:54 |
| cbx33 | got disabled | 18:54 |
| cbx33 | in bp mode | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, on board seems to come with ubuntu... fugly though | 18:54 |
| cbx33 | osk? | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | cbx33, it was the update that disabled it. this should be the last update that does so | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | s/on board/onboard/ | 18:54 |
| cbx33 | :) | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | on screen keyboard | 18:55 |
| cbx33 | hehe ah | 18:55 |
| lcuk | qwerty, comes up prior to login but then vanishes | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, if you go System > Assistive Techonologies > Enable the Assistive Techonologies > Preferred Applications > Accessibility > Choose onboard and tick run at start | 18:59 |
| lcuk | yeah am doing that, they changed its name from onscreen keyboard | 19:00 |
| lcuk | ;) | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | windows addict ;) | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | better than bein a southerner :P | 19:02 |
| lcuk | damn him | 19:02 |
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| * johnx sleeps | 19:16 | |
| johnx | merry christmas everyone :D | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12 | night johnx | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12 | solca, ping | 20:03 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: ping | 20:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, can I ask you to look at a tiny adv-backlight patch? I've changed the GDK_<Button> to use the hildon definition of buttons (to future proof it a bit :)) and i've made it so that the + & - buttons on the top of the N800 change the volume as well: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/23 | 20:30 |
| rm_you | hrmrmrm | 20:30 |
| rm_you | sure i'll poke at it | 20:31 |
| rm_you | well crap. there goes my build-box | 20:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, i'm used to adjusting volume now with + & - :). the patch is nothing complicated | 20:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | up & down still work to change volume too | 20:32 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: looks ok | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 20:35 |
| rm_you | i would apply it but my buildbox is down | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :( | 20:35 |
| rm_you | looks like i may have lost it for good :( | 20:35 |
| rm_you | i can't check till i go back to campus | 20:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | on Christmas Eve aswell :( | 20:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sure, it's nothing major :) | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | rm_us | 20:50 |
| RST38h | zap | 20:50 |
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| RST38h | Psion Orders Websites to Stop Using the Term Netbook ! | 21:33 |
| jaska | rotfl | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: you're kidding me? :P | 21:41 |
| RST38h | nope | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | http://jkontherun.com/2008/12/23/netbook-enthusiast-web-sites-getting-c-d-using-term-netbook/ | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | scary | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Seen the californian biodiesel (tm) thing? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:48 |
| RST38h | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1101005/Probe-cosmetic-surgeon-powered-4x4-patients-excess-flab.html | 21:48 |
| yigal | hmm, that's interesting | 21:54 |
| RST38h | not until you make the next logical step and start using the whole biomass =) | 21:54 |
| yigal | I'm a vegan, but using humans as biofuel well that's promising, Matrix or no Matrix | 21:56 |
| * RST38h never doubted vegans' bloodthirst | 21:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | soylent fuel | 22:04 |
| Vulcanis | so... anyone going to bet that we'll see an increase in people this week because they'll be getting 810s? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 22:06 |
| yigal | I had a terrible dream of someone stealing my n800 | 22:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 can't imagine who'd wanna steal my N800. It's in a terrible condition. | 22:07 | |
| yigal | last night that is, and then I ended up with an n880 <-- I don't suppose it exists, but it was a clunker like a pound or so very interesting dream | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | merry xmas, moontiger | 22:08 |
| robink | So does the SIP client on Diablo support video now? | 22:09 |
| moontiger | hey! :) merry xmas from bham | 22:10 |
| moontiger | does it? | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ah, it's christmas time! | 22:14 |
| * RST38h kinda missed it | 22:14 | |
| moontiger | yah :) | 22:15 |
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| yerga | merry christmas all :) | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | merry christmas yerga | 22:28 |
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| * RST38h merry christmasses everyone present too | 22:42 | |
| woglinde | rst best whishes to you too | 22:43 |
| disco_stu | still 6 hours for xmas | 22:44 |
| woglinde | hehe | 22:44 |
| woglinde | in russia you have to wait a little bit longer | 22:45 |
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| * disco_stu is drinking red bull | 22:45 | |
| RST38h | In Russia it is December 31st | 22:45 |
| RST38h | And if you *really* want to celebrate christian orthodox christmas, then it is January 7th | 22:45 |
| woglinde | RST38h wasnt that new year? | 22:46 |
| woglinde | or is it celebrate both at the same time | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: Christmas isn't really celebrated | 22:47 |
| RST38h | woglinde: NY is | 22:47 |
| woglinde | jepp | 22:47 |
| woglinde | thats how I remind it | 22:47 |
| RST38h | And the Jan 7th date is due to some petty medieval quarrel between catholics and the greek otrhodoxy about the calendar | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Communists fixed it for civic affairs around 1917 but the Church still operates on its own calendar | 22:49 |
| woglinde | *g* I am not going to search in wiki for it | 22:49 |
| woglinde | hm in 2009 we will see some major player going down | 22:50 |
| woglinde | toyota is starting | 22:50 |
| t_s_o | time, calendars and holidays, silly things we cant agree on... | 22:51 |
| RST38h | No way Toyota is going down | 22:51 |
| t_s_o | sometimes i wonder if we humans disagree just for the hell of it... | 22:52 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: You have to dig deeper. | 22:52 |
| woglinde | rst I said toyota is starting | 22:52 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: say what? | 22:52 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: And you will usually find money and control there | 22:52 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: Actually, the catholics/orthodoxes "disagreement" is a perfect example of that | 22:53 |
| t_s_o | what money is there to be made on disagreeing if monday or sunday should start the week, or that the clock have 2x12 or 24 hours? | 22:53 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: None of these have ever been causes for disagreement | 22:53 |
| t_s_o | oh? check the calendar threads on itt... | 22:54 |
| * RST38h does not read calendar threads on itt and thinks that these matters are better to be left to config panels and localization | 22:54 | |
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| RST38h | But of course, we should start an obligatory "220V: It Kills Your Body Gooood!" thread there =) | 22:55 |
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| t_s_o | as one say, standards, its so wonderfull that there is so many to choose from... | 22:55 |
| RST38h | there are standards and then there are standards... | 22:57 |
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| t_s_o | i reject your standard and substitute my own... | 22:58 |
| t_s_o | sorry, seems im not in the holiday spirit... | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | t_s_o, localization and personalization are all that prevent giving people what they expect to see | 23:08 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ho ho ho woglinde | 23:08 |
| StsN800 | hoho lcuk, woglinde | 23:09 |
| woglinde | hi sts | 23:09 |
| lcuk | hey! StsN800, wheres my other ho | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i demand a third ho | 23:09 |
| * lcuk likes ho's | 23:09 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:10 |
| woglinde | hm alan cox is leaving red hat | 23:10 |
| woglinde | but the 1st april | 23:10 |
| woglinde | isnt yet | 23:10 |
| woglinde | ah | 23:11 |
| woglinde | he is going to intel | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | Ho ho ho ho! | 23:16 |
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| solca | qwerty12_N800: pong | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | evening solca, merry xmas | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | solca, hey, tried out nitdroid today and i'm finding it great :). But I wanted to say that I applied your kexec-tools patch and got a binary that is 109k in size rather than being ~540k and runs in both maemo & initfs (haven't actually kexecd a kernel with it *yet* -- will do so tomorrow) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kexec | 23:51 |
| solca | Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800: merry xmas!! | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, merry christmas to you too :) | 23:54 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: my binary is statically linked, I presume yours is dynamically linked to initfs' libc | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, nay, statically linked | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hence it running both in maemo & initfs :) | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | solca: was thinking of a funny idea earlier.. abuse kexec and "suspend to disk", quick switching between mer and android ;) | 23:56 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: I just compile it statically linked, maybe it used gnu libc and that explains the big size, I really dunno but if smaller the better, in fact that was one of my worries | 23:57 |
| solca | Stskeeps: how that would work? | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've compiled it for a little experiment I want to do while I eagerly await your nitselector :). I recompiled your kernel with the root set to initfs and it gets me there which is what I need :) | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | solca, yeah, that's why I thought it would be useful | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | solca: well. suspend/resume of OS'es, and then be able to within nitdroid, and within mer, to switch "quickly" between the two OS'es :P | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just an insane idea of mine | 23:58 |
| solca | suspend to disk? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, hibernation | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | let's say suspend to mmc | 23:59 |
| woglinde | *g* | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | makes more sense :P | 23:59 |
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