IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-12-23

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jakemaheuhow do you pipe results from grep to umount?00:05
StsN800xargs prolly00:05
jakemaheui've got: mount|grep -e media|00:05
jakemaheui need to put grep results into umount to automatically unmount a device for partitioning00:06
StsN800qwerty12_N800, how difficult is it to disable kernel flash (initfs ok) in mar00:06
RST38hbetter pipe 'em to mkfs!00:07
Gracklejakemaheu, yeah, xargs00:07
timelE61iSts: mer? (mar?)00:09
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StsN800timelE61i, blame h-i-m00:09
StsN800ment maemo00:09
RST38hla mer!00:09
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andre___anybody got a minute and can start MicroB in 5.2008.43-7, go to , tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" and click "Save Target as"?00:32
andre___for me it crashes, but i'd love to have a confirmation00:32
oliis it possible to check n800's current power consumption (in mA)00:33
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oliin software way, without connecting between battery and device ;p00:35
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lcukandre___, where again00:36
andre___tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" (or any other file) and choose "Save Target as" from the context menu00:37
lcukconfirmed crash, left clicking opens it correctly however (cos my screen is dodgy it prefers not to allow me to tap and hold00:38
lcuktap, hold, save as == crash00:38
andre___cool. thanks a lot!00:38
lcuknp, well you have a problem00:38
timelE61iClearly not tested00:39
lcukheh :P00:39
lcukyou can't click on every single link in the whole wide internet just fora point release :P00:39
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andre___i don't have a problem, only work :)00:39
andre___and bug 3954 for this00:39
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timelE61ilcuk: i didn't touch that release00:41
timelE61iI'm not even sure who did00:41
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lcukheh timelE61i :) thats why quality has gone downhill ;) you wouldv actually stress tested every single link on the net multiple times (to check it wasnt a fluke)00:42
lcukclutter is an evil temptress00:42
timelE61ilcuk: have you read about chrome?00:43
lcukno, im staying away from browsers in general for now :)00:43
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timelE61is'ok, but they basically test a large portion of the web w/ each change00:44
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lcukcool!  well i suppose it is google00:45
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lardmanhow does one do dialogs in GTK+/Hildon?01:34
lardmani.e. not appearing in the task bar, all that stuff?01:34
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lardmanah... gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons01:37
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lardmanhi ssvb02:03
ssvbhi lardman02:03
lardmanare you doing sbc officially now?02:05
ssvblardman: yes, kind of02:06
ssvbmaybe I'm overdoing it a bit :)02:06
lardmanno, might as well get it completely right02:06
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oliis there any good filemanager formaemo? with draag/drop and other...02:09
t_s_othe built in one?02:10
lardmanthere;s also a GPE one02:10
olican i browse whole filesystem with it?02:10
t_s_oand emlfm2 or something like that...02:11
lardmanoli: yes02:11
t_s_oonly problem with gpe file manager is that it cant show .hidden stuff by default, but you can access it via the path entry...02:11
lardmanoli: you could always symlink from root to somewhere under /home/user, though that may produce media-meta-crawler problems02:11
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lardmant_s_o: ah, didn't know that, thanks02:12
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t_s_oheh, i have been pestering them about it. but its a slow process...02:12
trenkassvb: already at work? ;)02:12
ssvbtrenka: already at home :)02:13
t_s_ooh, and who has meta-crawler running these days?02:13
ssvbor it's better to say "finally"02:13
oliln -s would be enought for me, thx02:14
t_s_oheh, holy prayers on the jesus-phone...02:15
lardmanbed time for me, see you chaps tomorrow02:18
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jakemaheui updated my how-to02:43
jakemaheuon nitdroid02:43
jakemaheui wrote a couple of scripts for automatic downloadin and flashing02:43
infobotjakemaheu meant: i wrote a couple of scripts for automatic downloading and flashing02:43
jakemaheuyay for wget02:44
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jakemaheuinfobot: extras?02:45
infobotit has been said that extras is
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jakemaheuno, infobot, extras is bob02:46
jakemaheuinfobot: extras?02:46
infoboti heard extras is
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jakemaheudoes anyone here use NITdroid?02:47
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jakemaheu~curse infobot02:52
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot !02:52
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jakemaheuinfobot: hobos?02:53
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jakemaheuthe smell of hobo is gross02:54
jakemaheuinfobot, what is the smell of hobo?02:55
infobotjakemaheu: what are you talking about?02:55
jakemaheuinfobot: the smell of hobo is gross02:56
infobotjakemaheu: okay02:56
jakemaheuthe smell of hobo02:56
jakemaheuwhat is the smell of hobo02:56
jakemaheuwhat is the smell of hobo?02:56
jakemaheuinfobot, what is the smell of hobo?02:56
infobotjakemaheu: I think you lost me on that one02:56
jakemaheuinfobot, the smell of hobo?02:57
jakemaheuinfobot: infobot02:57
infobotjakemaheu, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (, or updated sources at, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome.02:57
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jakemaheuinfobot: infobot stinks02:58
infobotI'm male02:59
infoboti guess name is The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra.  (See
infobotjakemaheu has neutral karma03:01
jakemaheunickometer jakemaheu03:01
jakemaheu~nickometer jakemaheu03:02
infobot'jakemaheu' is 0.000% lame, jakemaheu03:02
jakemaheu~nickometer GeneralAntilles03:02
infobot'GeneralAntilles' is 0.000% lame, jakemaheu03:02
jakemaheuseen solca03:02
jakemaheu~seen solca03:03
infobotsolca <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 37m 26s ago, saying: 'ok, gotto go, see ya!...'.03:03
jakemaheu~seen solca_03:03
infobotsolca_ <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'but if this works can be a good workaround'.03:03
infobot2008.12.23  1:03:51 GMT03:03
jakemaheu~burn solca for not being here03:04
* infobot pours gasoline all over solca for not being here, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze03:04
jakemaheuhe needs to reappear03:04
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t_s_ohmm, i see someone have got their hands on a vonhippel module and bug ;)03:35
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kkrustyso a2dp will be added in fremantle? will it work for n810s?03:57
t_s_oif someone gets its backported, yes...03:58
t_s_oone can get a2dp working on a N810 right now, but as its not properly integrated with the audio system of maemo, its hit or miss if the different apps will make use of it...03:58
kkrustyt_s_o: and I hear its a battery drainer03:59
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t_s_othats thanks to all the encoding (a2dp use a specific codec) needs to be done on cpu...04:00
t_s_obasically the same problem as with decoding ogg and similar04:00
t_s_onow if someone could come up with a DSP driver for it...04:00
kkrustysomeone = nokia?04:01
t_s_oah, nice :)04:01
t_s_oi see it takes some kernel flashing...04:02
t_s_oim guessing it will be made part of mer, or is so already?04:04
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Mouseyhappy winter solstice, earthlings04:22
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jakemaheuello' ev'rybody06:21
summatusmentisyour nick makes my irssi highlight everytime06:22
jakemaheui've just written possibly the most awesome script ever06:22
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jakemaheuit downloads nitdroid, partitions the card, then unpacks the rootfs and flashes the kernel06:25
Proteousbut does it make me a cheeseburger?06:26
Proteouscause, you know, I can has cheeseburger06:26
jakemaheuno you can't, cats don't eat cheeseburgers06:27
* Proteous cries06:27
* TrueJournals offers Proteous a cheeseburger06:27
* Proteous cheers06:28
jakemaheu~find solca06:31
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infobotDebian Search of 'solca' (1 of 2): (/usr/share/maxima/5.17.0/share/sym/resolcayley.lisp) in math/maxima-share.06:33
jakemaheu~news add jakemaheu wrote a nitdroid installer script06:34
summatusmentisSTOP IT :-P06:34
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summatusmentisyour nick makes my hilights go off :-P06:35
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summatusmentismy first name is Jake. Don't worry about it, just giving you crap06:37
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jakemaheuah, okay06:38
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fiekiais i bad if i use my female roommates butt plug while she is out of town?07:49
jakemaheuare you a girl as well?07:52
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jakemaheuif you're both clean and you wash it before and after, go ahead and post pics lol07:55
jakemaheuin b4 no girls on interbutts07:56
fiekiai have penis08:00
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jakemaheudon't do it, use a broom or horse08:09
jakemaheuor another man08:09
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Meiz_n810wow.. i didn't know that it's possible to change the engine of MicroB.. 0_o08:21
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RST38hMeiz: not practically possible afaik08:41
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Meiz_n810someone on itT did it08:44
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RST38hURL? =)08:56
rm_you|johnx: johnx08:57
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Meiz__n810morning Sts09:22
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Meiz__n810someone have put webkit engine to micob. 0_o09:22
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StsN800url? and no surprises. microb ui is still closed though09:30
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Meiz__n810if nokia opens the ui, microb would be another great webkit browser for mer :P09:42
StsN800or if we can bundle:P09:43
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StsN800Meiz__n810, merry xmas though, i won't be that much on the next two days09:56
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johnxhey lardman11:26
lardmanmorning chaps11:26
lardmanhey johnx11:27
johnxmmm...good to be back from work11:27
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lardmanhmm, /me is at work11:27
johnxno way I can be on IRC at work11:28
johnxdifferent job though I guess :)11:28
lardmanyeah, I'm sitting waiting for code to finish running atm11:28
lardmanand waiting for someone to turn up to fix some kit, so thumb twiddling time11:29
johnxno waiting at my job O_o either working or off the clock11:29
* lardman feels he can sit around for a bit as he was working (day job) till 1.30am last night11:29
johnxthat's a world of pain11:30
lardmanwell, end of year, I want to get stuff finished otherwise I'll forget what I was doing, etc,11:30
lardmanbut yeah, regretting it this morning11:31
johnxgood to not be wearing a suit too. I really need to buy a warm coat I can wear over my suit jacket :/11:32
lardmanah, I don't wear a suit/jacket often :)11:32
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johnxI didn't when I worked IT. heck, hair color wasn't even an issue then11:32
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johnxhey qwerty1211:34
* lardman pictures johnx with a pink mohican :D11:34
lardmanhey qwerty1211:34
qwerty12hi johnx11:34
qwerty12hi lardman11:34
johnxlardman, it was blue for a summer actually, then kind of faded to grey. ahaha11:34
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johnxand for slowing things down?11:40
lardmandoes it?11:40
johnxdepends on the workload11:40
johnxbut yes, it can11:41
lardmancertainly slow when matlab is taking 100% of the cpu11:41
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lardmancaffeine first though11:46
RST38hehlo qwerty-lardman-johnx11:46
lardmanhey RST38h11:46
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qwerty12moo RST38h11:46
johnxhello meat-based-lifeform-RST38h11:47
qwerty12lardman, I could have sworn your computer was all fast :P11:47
RST38hjohnx: sure about it?11:47
qwerty12morning X-Fade11:47
RST38hhelo X-fade11:47
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qwerty12hi StsN80012:20
StsN800morning. in car going to my dads for xmas12:21
solmumahahope you aren't driving12:22
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StsN800yes, driving with one hand on wheel and on screen kbd in the other;o12:24
StsN800.. gf driving12:24
inzI'm not sure which is better...</chauvinism>12:26
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lardmanqwerty12: home computer is all fast, work computer is not so fast13:16
* lardman apologises for tardy reply, had chap here fixing a laser13:17
qwerty12lardman, ah :)13:17
* qwerty12 wonders if it is worth wasting his time getting timidity to use a gtk2 file selector which eventually would become a hildon file selector13:17
lardmandoesn't time stretch on forever when you're young? ;)13:18
qwerty12heh, wouldn't know about that...13:19
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* lardman wants an ebook reader13:27
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lardmanbut not for ~£20013:27
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orifice-n810The root flash is filling up quick (97%) :(13:34
orifice-n810Is that kosher?13:35
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andre___GeneralAntilles, pah, you only don't WONTFIX reports because you want *me* to get the flames for it :-P13:37
qwerty12andre___, is that part of your job description? :D13:37
andre___hehe... sometimes i have that impression :-D13:38
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* qwerty12 loves reading changelogs but I can't be bothered to run dch when it comes to stuff of my own :(13:40
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qwerty12Keyboard trouble, lcuk?13:52
suihkulokkilcuk: do you have a cat?13:53
rmrfchikdo you have also ls, echo or cp?13:54
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lcuk_santaho ho ho14:02
Meiz_n810what's minigpsd?14:06
Meiz_n810can it be used with Maemo-Mapper14:06
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lcuk_santahiya lardman14:13
achadwickI'm trying to use a curl-based app from within the (i386 target) sbox and with a Xephyr display, and I'm getting "Couldn't resolve host ''" back from libcurl every time. Using command-line curl on the command line work fine though, for the URL in question. Am I missing something fundamental about the SDK here?14:13
* achadwick is maemo-noob.14:13
lcuk_santaachadwick: are you testing on the normal linux command line, or from within scratchbox itself14:14
achadwickAll within scratchbox.14:14
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lardmanhey lcuk_santa14:14
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lcuk_santaoooer dunno though, ive heard about dns resolution problems before but not in a while14:15
lardmanlcuk_santa: proxy?14:15
achadwickHmm. /etc/resolv.conf is "nameserver". Could that be it?14:15
lcuk_santano, theres a humanized firewall on my home machine - jakey wont let me past, everytime i  login with vnc and try to do anything he reopens his cbeebies window14:16
achadwickBegs the question though: why does apt-get and ssh work on the sbox command line?14:16
qwerty12_N800iirc  apt is a host binary (at least dpkg-dev stuff is)14:17
achadwickAh. I didn't know about that little split; thought everything ran inside a vm env. Lol, n00bs.14:18
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achadwickMerely adding my real nameservers to the sbox's /etc/resolv.conf has done the trick. Thanks for the pointers.14:20
lcuk_santaim thinking of what to call my new app :$ im considering "myjourney", as in "myjourney began with liqbase" :)14:23
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qwerty12_N800does myjourney really go with what your app is about though?14:24
lcuk_santai dunno14:25
lcuk_santaits just a start :)14:25
lcuk_santai needed to give the folder a name and that popped in14:25
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WormFoodhas anyone played all the way through hex-a-hop? some of the levels in that game are fuckin' tough14:26
qwerty12_N800I downloaded a save :/14:26
dfaureouch, I upgraded "OS 2008" using the application manager, and now the N810 tablet won't boot nor switch off, it only shows the "Nokia" logo....14:26
lcuk_santadfaure, could be worse: your n810 could be showing a sony logo14:28
dfaureseriously, what can I do now?14:28
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achadwickOuch. Battery out, see if that turns it off :) And reflash if it doesn't resurrect.14:28
lcuk_santait sounds like your update went wrong, pop battery and see14:29
lcuk_santaif that fails you might have to reflash - you did follow the warning before you stareted about backing up didnt you...14:29
dfaurewell... :-) it always says that ;)14:29
lcuk_santatheres a reason they always say that ;)14:29
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* qwerty12_N800 never backs up. I just use usbnet in bootmenu to get to my files ;)14:30
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* dfaure only cares for one file on the device... we'll see. for now I'm trying to find how to remove the battery...14:33
lcuk_santadfaure, where do you keep that pron video then? is it on mmc2 or in ~ ?14:34
dfaureon my desktop machine :-)14:34
dfaurethe todo file is in ~/.kde4...14:35
lcuk_santaqwerty, you will knwo, when do the drives become accessible via usb from desktop?14:37
lcuk_santadfaure, before you reflash plug your usb lead in and see if you can access folders14:38
dfaureyep, sure14:38
qwerty12_N800lcuk, should be after ke-recv is started but I can only see mine when te desktop is shown14:39
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: lcuk, should be afther ke-recv is started but I can only see mine when te desktop is shown14:39
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qwerty12_N800but even with the cable plugged in, you'd only see mmc1 & mmc2 which makes no difference as they aren't going to be affected by a reflash14:41
* dfaure swears to never upgrade the OS again...14:44
lcuk_santammmm when i first got 810 it showed 2 drives available in windows when i only had one - i could access the second one and always thought the other one was normal FS but i couldnt access cos it was wrong FS14:44
lcuk_santadfaure, as long as your tool does the job theres no need to keep on the bleeding edge14:44
dfaureyep, just was curious what improvements were being made ;)14:44
lcuk_santawell, now you are a dead cate.  watch out, you haven't got too many lives left.14:46
lcuk_santacat even14:46
qwerty12_N800dfaure, do you have bootmenu installed?14:46
dfaureyes I think so14:47
qwerty12_N800linux on the computer?14:47
qwerty12_N800you can get your files back then14:48
qwerty12_N800hrm, 1 sec14:48
qwerty12_N800ok, if you can boot up the tablet and go into usb networking mode from bootmenu14:49
dfaurethe key for making bootmenu appear is the topleft "fullscreen" one, right?14:49
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qwerty12_N800think so, I use the menu key on the N800. if you have it installed, it should say which key it wants you to press14:50
dfauredoesn't say anything, I only see the nokia logo...14:51
qwerty12_N800you don't have it installed then14:51
dfaureor it hangs before that ;)14:52
dfaureI did have a boot menu installed, when I reflashed to install kde4.14:52
dfaureit showed a lilo-like boot choice for 2 seconds or so14:52
qwerty12_N800not likely ;), you'd get hangs after bootmenu has shown looking at my initfs modding14:53
qwerty12_N800the bootmenu has been wiped out by the update probably14:54
dfaureah, might be14:54
dfaurethat's not a nice update mechanism :(14:54
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qwerty12_N800if you backed up the bootmenu.jffs2 to the computer, you can flash it14:54
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GAN800Damn! andre___'s catching on! :P15:12
X-FadeNah ;)15:13
andre___X-Fade, can you forward me the bugmail again as attachment (including the headers)? guess you didn't receive one today but i only worked around it15:16
X-Fadeandre___: Yes, I didn't receive one today.15:16
X-FadeI'll see what I can dig up..15:17
dfaureqwerty12_N800: I think I installed everything on mmc1, in fact. But how can I flash a bootmenu without a booting device?15:19
qwerty12_N800dfaure, if you saved the bootmenu.jffs2 file that was made when installing bootmenu, you can run 'flasher-3.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2' on the computer to flash an image with bootmenu back15:21
dfaureI can't find such a file, but I could probably recreate it?15:21
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qwerty12_N800no, it could be done but it's way too long. probably easier to see if you can find an image from somewhere...15:24
GAN800andre___, mostly I'm looking for consensus and fortifying your position a bit for when you WONTFIX them. ;)15:24
andre___GAN800, what a sly and cunning plan! ;-)15:25
GAN800I'd forgotten how little time there is to decompress and sleep when we're working so many hours a day.15:26
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dfaureall I had to do was    sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 --set-root-device mmc   :-)15:32
dfaurethen it booted again, and then said "upgrade successfully installed" -- LOL15:32
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X-FadeGAN800: Sleep less :)15:35
RST38hHe ever sleeps? Surprise.15:36
X-FadeRST38h: Now he does..15:36
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GAN8001X-Fade, not if I want to stay on my feet for 9 hours. ;)15:40
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X-FadeGAN8001: Only 9?15:40
X-FadeGAN8001: I though you were talking about 20 orso..15:40
GAN8001Urgh, the fixed-width discussion being settled is total BS, Tim. . . .15:41
X-FadeI need a flexible layout for gforge, mediawiki and bugzilla at least.15:42
GAN8001The whole site needs to be at least a little flexible.15:42
X-FadeBut we really need more progress.15:44
X-FadeI wonder if we can plan a few sessions with the designer and css guy in a channel and just hack on this thing.15:44
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X-Fadelcuk: So you're liking clutter so far? :)15:51
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lcuk_grrrx-fade, yes  i am very impressed :)16:00
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* lcuk_grrr curses jacob16:00
lcuk_grrrhes still not letting me have my pc16:01
X-FadeLol ;)16:01
lcuk_grrrx-fade, i just wish it went as fast as liqbase ;)16:04
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WormFoodI only have one more level on hex-a-hop to complete...anyone know of any other good puzzle games for the N800?16:07
X-Fadelcuk_grrr: Get better hardware ;)16:07
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lcuk_grrrX-Fade: bit hard on my budget, the missus is already furious at me for spending the  little i have done so far.16:24
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thebishophello, is there a standard "magic number" for booting ARM devices?16:30
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X-FadeOops: :)17:14
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* lcuk_pcless unleashes 10,000 tiny marbles all over the chan floor17:25
* dystopia ROFLMAOs17:28
lcuk_pclesscareful, those marbles will ride up17:29
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dystopiawho's in the circus, you or me? =]17:29
lcuk_pclessi tihnk its you, im just a heckler17:30
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* johnx fails at sleeping17:33
lcuk_pclessnahhh johnx, the world wwon at keeping you awake17:33
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lcuk_pclessgah i hate that, occasionally ill drop off nice  and early, only to be woken shortly after17:37
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johnxI knew it'd happen too, going to sleep that early...but there was nothing for it at the time17:37
lcuk_pclessso now you have to find something better to do all evening17:38
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lcuk_pclessyou up for a little task?   like getting clutter working on 8x0 :P17:38
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johnxa little task, indeed! :P17:39
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johnxfirst I'll just re-learn C, then I'll write a DSP based OpenGL renderer, then ... it will be 202017:40
* qwerty12 curses as he forgets to change the vfp line in debian/rules to say DEBUGFLAGS rather than CFLAGS17:41
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johnxmmm...peanut butter17:46
* RST38h was struggling to get decent VGBA performance and just found today that the board was running at 120MHz all the time17:49
johnxwhat's the normal clock speed?17:50
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* RST38h echoes 360000 to CPU frequency scaler screaming MORRRRE POWERRRR and laughing maniacally17:50
dfauresomeone watched too much Home Improvement :-)17:50
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johnxsounds like you need a turbo button :)17:51
* RST38h has got a turbo button17:51
RST38hjohnx: In fact, if you press the MENU button at the N810 keyboard in VGBA, you will see17:51
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johnxthat's supposed to do what?17:53
johnxhi tomek17:53
RST38hjohnx: it is the TURRRBO button17:53
johnxguess it's buggy. :/ EXPECTED BEHAVIOR: an exhaust driven turbine should appear on the side of my tablet to compress the intake charge17:54
johnxOBSERVED BEHAVIOR: nothing17:54
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RST38hjohnx: File a bug.18:05
johnxisn't IRC the right place for bugs? I just repeat myself until it's fixed, right?18:06
RST38hjohnx: either that or until you get kickbanned I guess...18:07
johnxstill b0rken...18:07
johnxstill b0rken...18:07
* johnx runs18:07
RST38hKILL! =)18:07
* johnx johnx kills18:08
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tomekI've got a silly problem... when I want to install the maemo sdk (diablo) I just get the message, that vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 isn't configured in the sysctl.conf-file, but I added that line and the message just appears..18:09
johnxthat won't take affect until a reboot or until you run sysctl manually18:10
johnxI believe: sysctl -p but you should check18:10
tomekI even rebooted 2 times :|18:10
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tomek.. and root'ed sysctl -p every time18:11
johnxcat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr18:11
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johnxand it still complains? very odd18:12
johnxwhich distro?18:12
tomekubuntu intrepid18:12
johnxyeah, same here18:12
tomeksb1 by repos18:12
johnxand you're using the latest 4.1.2 script?18:13
qwerty12tomek, you may need to edit /etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf as it contains another mmap line18:13
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qwerty12though I note I didn't have to do but I use a hardy kernel an18:14
tomekexists the /etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf-file on other distros too?18:15
ciroipHEY QWERTY12 !18:15
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qwerty12hehe, hi ciroip18:15
ciroipwhy are you wasting your time on irc:18:16
tomekI see upcoming bugs on my esdk-project on maemo.garage :|18:16
ciroipthere is a .bz2 that wait you to became a wonderfull butterdebfly18:16
qwerty12I like it :P but i'm waiting for timidity to finish building18:16
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qwerty12RST38h, who's their supplier18:17
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qwerty12ciroip, i'm tired of running dpkg-buildpackage today :p. I've spent 3/4 hours on timidity already :/18:17
ciroiplol, dont worry, was just a joke18:18
RST38hqwerty: Evil British scientists18:18
qwerty12ciroip, I'll do it tomorrow :)18:18
qwerty12RST38h, hehe, i'll have to get their contact details18:18
ciroipI dont think each single release deserve a .deb :)18:18
johnxI think the real story is scientists vicariously enjoying illegal drugs by feeding them to insects18:19
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qwerty12Waste of drugs, they should be using them for themselves :)18:19
johnxthere are a lot of scientists that could probably do with relaxing a bit...18:22
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lcukjohnx, problem is most drugs dont relax ppl18:29
* lcuk finally has his pooter back18:29
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ciroipyo lcuk18:30
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johnxlcuk, I find caffeine very relaxing :)18:30
lcukhiya ciro, i just wanted you for something, cant remember now18:30
Meizirkkijonhx: tslib fixed? :P18:30
lcukjohnx, ok18:30
lcukiillegal drugs*18:30
johnxMeizirkki, :P I'm a little out of my depth. help appreciated18:31
ciroipk, probably not so important18:31
ciroiplcuk: is there a way I can use some liqbase scrollings from python? :)18:31
lcuki think it was but i got sidetracked when i realised my pooter was back in my control18:31
johnxMeizirkki, though this guy will probably fix it before me:
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lcukheh ciroip :) I wish i could say YESSSSSSSSSS easily, but i cannot, I know clutter has bindings to lots of languages but that doesnt help us here and now18:32
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lcukliqbase would be no more help than sdl or pygame or anything18:33
ciroipk, just wondering18:33
lcukbut the scrolling itself is simple logic18:33
Meizirkkijohnx: okay18:33
lcukpygame should handle it just fine - even if the graphics card itself makes it tear18:33
ciroipI liked the idea to use something from liqbase18:33
ciroipa program with liqbase in the dependencies sound geek and cool18:34
lcukive liked the idea myself but my skills to making a library are very limited18:34
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johnxMeizirkki, if you're interested, I think it's actually a slightly different bug. The fix for the old bug interacts badly with a hack I needed to apply to make x-x-i-tslib build against the latest x server. As soon as someone else tries to build against that x server they'll have to find a way to fix both I think I'll wait for a couple days and see if someone else fixes it.18:35
lcukand especially now i realise just how immature as a library it would be :$ i will speak to people about all this in the coming days anyway18:35
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Meizirkkijohnx: k18:36
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lcuk:) clutter might have enough to give me time to focus energies elsewhere, this core widget ive been looking for is already there, if i can use a liqbase renderer only without any messing it might then be useful for pygame/sdl/etc but i just dont know yet18:36
ciroipI would love the idea to join a smooth library code with some graphic gui elements so people can use it to pimp a bit the interfaces18:37
* lcuk uses an stsism18:38
* RST38h looked at Clutter tutorial but did not understand why the hell anybody needs this18:39
RST38hHaven't we got enough 2D rendering libraries?18:40
ciroip2d rendering libraries are never enough18:41
ciroipthey are perfect to confuse the users18:41
ciroipand users must stay confused and lost18:42
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palahi, i just reflashed with latest diablo release and the hildon-desktop process takes up a lot of resources, any ideas? (n810)18:44
johnxis it suddenly taking up more than it was before?18:45
qwerty12RSS reader set to autoscroll? :)18:45
palawell, i had the os version that came with the tablet so it was faster, yeah18:46
b-mandid you have virtual memory disabled?18:47
johnxah, ok. so hildon-desktop is probably working properly, but you're looking for ways to speed things up?18:47
palab-man, how can i check that?18:47
palajohnx, yeah, the tablet works fine, it just eats up a lot of resources, even in idle18:47
johnxif you don't know what it is, you don't have it enabled :)18:47
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b-mango to the control panel > memory > virtual18:48
johnxif you're referring to memory usage, then that's pretty normal. Even though it looks like a lot of memory is used, most of it is shared libraries.18:48
palajohnx, i mean that the cpu stands around at 20% most of the time18:49
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palajohnx, which doesn't seem normal to me18:49
johnxaaah, well that's definitely not normal18:49
mavhcit's not, does it to me sometimes, I just kill it, which seems to kill everything else of course18:49
johnxwhat desktop applets do you have enabled? what statusbar applets?18:49
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palajohnx, i have a weather applet, homeip applet and traffic counter enabled18:50
johnxtry getting rid of them one at a time18:51
johnxI would suspect the traffic counter first though18:51
palajohnx, they are all gone... still the same... the load varies between 15-30%18:52
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johnxand the load is from hildon-desktop ?18:52
palajohnx, exclusive18:52
palab-man, i'm not sure that will do any good - using swap space will increase my memory, not my cpu18:53
palajohnx, could it be i'm using the latest diablo version? should i try with 4.2008 instead of 5.2008?18:54
johnxdiablo really is better. I think it's worth it to try solving this18:55
johnxhow are you measuring CPU usage? with top? or with the statusbar load applet?18:55
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palajohnx, statusbar - let me try top18:56
johnxyeah, get rid of statusbar load applet. :)18:56
johnxI'm not sure if it's still a problem, but I've heard that it takes lots of CPU time in the past18:56
palaoh, maybe that's it18:57
palalet me uninstall it18:57
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johnxand it runs inside hildon-desktop...18:57
palado you happen to know it's name?18:58
palai'm having trouble finding it18:58
johnxthere's more than one I think...I don't know which one you installed18:58
palaah, found it18:58
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johnxalso, keep in mind that with diablo they added CPU frequency scaling, so that's really 20% of 160MHz18:58
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palathough not unix-style, i'll just try a reboot :)19:01
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palajohnx, hei, it really looks promissing now - thanks!19:04
paladamn applet19:04
johnxironic, no? :D19:04
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palareally ironic :D19:05
johnxalways fun when your tools cause the problem. Anyways, watch out for desktop applets and statusbar applets that are constantly updating19:06
palagreat, thanks19:06
palaone more question - if, e.g., i go to the applets menu, some of the applets are named really odd like srch_ti_applet_internet_earch, including the buttons named like homebdselectapplets... is that something i might broke by restoring from a backup?19:07
palaor if, e.g., i open the browser, "ckt_ib_application loading" appears in the top right corner19:07
qwerty12Have the give applet installed?19:08
palaqwerty12, bingo :D19:08
palaqwerty12, should i uninstall or it's not that easy?19:08
qwerty12You can uninstall it but if you like using it, you can install this version:
palagreat qwerty12, thanks19:09
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palai'll push my luck and just try another question - if you think i should google more (which i have) please tell me so - the fm radio simply doesn't work - not in the earlier version, not in this last version - i just don't hear anything... is this a known problem or my fm receiver might be broken?19:13
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qwerty12do you have the headphones in?19:14
palaqwerty12, yes :)19:14
qwerty12ah :/19:14 uses the headphone wire for an antenna. could you try different headphones?19:15
palajohnx, i'll give it a go when i'll find some that match19:16
palathanks a lot guys, you are great!19:16
johnxsure. no problem. :)19:16
disco_stupala.. wichh country are you from?19:17
paladisco_stu, romania19:17
disco_stui've a friend called pala19:17
palasay hi :)19:18
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johnxqwerty12, so now I too wish I had an initfs with chroot :/19:23
aantnRST38h: 2.5D, that is19:24
aantnRST38h: Clutter allows manipulation of 2d textures in 3D space19:24
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aantnIt makes it easy to create very nifty interfaces with only a little code19:24
qwerty12johnx, you can scp the one I built to tmp? (If you have a lot of time, you can make a new initfs image)19:24
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johnxah, where is yours?19:25
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qwerty12johnx, look in
orifice_workis there any facility for pre/post connection scripts defined per connection name  ?19:26
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orifice_workI know there are pre and post scripts, but I want to define them for specific access points.19:27
johnxyou can use dbus-scripts to watch for a connect event. After that you should be able to get all the connection info you need19:27
orifice_workOr should I just check in the pre/post script what the essid is ?19:27
orifice_workah ok19:27
johnxwell, yes, you could also do it the easy way :P19:28
orifice_workqwerty12: thanks!19:28
orifice_workI figured someone had written it already.19:28
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riothmm. whenever i press one of the hardware buttons in maemo mapper, it just moves the map down a bit. How can i fix that or reset its configuration?19:32
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orifice_workmy root is full and I'm not sure what's filling it up.  Does the package manager cache stuff in the root ?19:42
orifice_work*root partition ?19:42
qwerty12If you use apt-get to install stuff19:42
orifice_workI have been19:42
johnxapt-get autoclean19:42
qwerty12apt-get clean should be enough then19:42
orifice_workthank you19:43
disco_stui gained like 10mb deleting help files19:43
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rioton the nokia tablets, theres a lot of demo-stuff like a music-video..19:44
orifice_work256 megs is really cutting it close for the OS19:44
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orifice_workriot: that's not on the root partition though right ?19:44
riotit is19:44
disco_stuorifice_work, jffs is compressed19:44
rioti think 256 is ok, if you put /usr somewhere else :)19:44
riotsay, is there any ical (ics) compatible calendar app?19:45
orifice_workriot: gpe works great19:45
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riotorifice_work: with ical? Can it suck calendars off the net?19:45
orifice_workthe most recent releases have a subscribe mode19:45
riothmm, must've missed that..19:45
riotah most recent... it got updated by the last upgrade19:46
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riotlol.. there is a package here, which is named "iptables-ext_1.3.6.0debian1-5ubuntu5osso4 ... wtf.. i mean seriously.... lol?19:47
orifice_workhmm.  So /usr is on the root partition ?  eek.  I thought they were being installed to the internal storage.19:47
qwerty12riot, it was even worse with the chinook version of app manager...19:47
orifice_workcan that be changed 'easily', i.e. without having to boot off external/internal storage19:48
riotqwerty12: you mean with chinook as release? Whats the app manager got to do with the repositories?19:48
riotorifice_work: i suppose so, but i am unsure about how that could be done. Iirc, theres a howto on maemo.org19:49
qwerty12riot, the chinook app manager had a bug where titles of apps were not visible if just one version string was long19:49
johnxorifice_work, you want /usr on the builtin 2GB storage?19:49
riotqwerty12: aah, ok.. i was more refering to the path of the package.. from debian to ubuntu to maemo finally.. uaah19:49
orifice_workjohnx: is that something that's generally done ?19:50
riotguess its because of the ubuntu-folks not giving patches back to the community..19:50
johnxorifice_work, it's easier to boot from the internal 2GB card19:50
orifice_workjohnx: ok cool.  What is the flash used for then ?  a fallback os ?19:51
riotjohnx: but doesn't that involve installing a whole new Maemo??19:51
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johnxriot, you clone the existing one into the 2GB storage19:51
riotjohnx: ah, ok..19:51
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johnxorifice_work, pretty much. you can use it as a working fallback or a rescue mode or keep different things installed in different places: ie experiment in one and keep the builtin flash working for day-to-day stuff19:52
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orifice_workis the performance between flash and internal storage comparable ?19:53
johnxthe internal storage is just a soldered-on sd card. it's a little faster I believe. a fast sd card in the external slot would be faster still19:54
riothmmm.. i could install debian on the 2 GB flash and keep maemo on the small one.. hmhmhmm19:54
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johnxbeen there, done that :)19:55
johnxif you want to do that, check out the deblet installer19:55
riotyeah, tried it, but my root-fs is too full to install ;)19:55
riotsay, is debian useable on a tablet? Any disadvantages?19:56
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johnxthe two big disadvantages: 1) poking a desktop GUI with a stylus or finger is a pain. 2) it's not designed to work well with the power savings in the n8x019:57
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orifice_workI heard ubuntu was working on a mobile based branch19:58
rioti have experienced 1) on my tablet-pc.. kde is just useable..19:59
riotorifice_work: yeah, i read that, too.19:59
orifice_workare there any experimental builds for the n810 yet ?19:59
johnxorifice_work, yeah, it's an old version of maemo :)19:59
orifice_workjohnx: haha19:59
johnxit's funny, but I'm not kidding19:59
orifice_worka lot of good that will do then ....19:59
orifice_workbut it'll be multi-platform ...20:00
johnxthey're doing things their own way. there's lots that can be shared between it and maemo20:00
johnxand yes, there is an armel build20:00
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johnxThere are some people working on the "Mer" project. We're trying to make Nokia's latest Maemo UI work nicely on top of a minimal Ubuntu base, while still being cross platform20:02
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GAN800Alright, Jaffa, looking at the questionnaire.20:08
lardmanhmm, no mplayer changes in 5 months20:09
lardmanhey GAN80020:09
GAN800Howdy, lardman. Lunchtime finally. :D20:11
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* lardman has been asleep this arvo20:11
lardmannot feeling too hot20:11
qwerty12lardman, yeah, I think ssvb said he stopped on it20:11
lardmanqwerty12: yeah, shame20:11
lardmanqwerty12: and a shame no-one else is picking it up at all20:11
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qwerty12yeah :(20:12
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lardmanhe must have been disappointed :)20:12
VulcanisDoes anyone here know EasyDebian?20:12
johnxI've heard that mplayer itself is a pretty scary code-base. On the other hand it works really well as is20:12
GAN800lardman/Jaffa, looks good to me. Tell Tim to send it out ASAP if there's consensus.20:13
MeizirkkiVulcanis: Surely :P20:14
lardmanjohnx: yes, I've heard likewise20:14
VulcanisMeizirkki: Any idea how to add stuff to the hildon menu like the openoffice shortcut?20:14
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orifice_workopen office on maemo ??20:15
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Vulcanisorifice_work: through easydebian20:16
MeizirkkiVulcanis: you need to add .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon/20:16
VulcanisAnd what should go in that?  I'm trying to make midori not require me to actually open lxde20:17
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orifice_workI figured open office would be a huge pig on maemo20:25
orifice_workhell, it's a pig on my desktop ....20:25
VulcanisAnyway, brb in an hour20:26
* GAN800 reads over EIPI's interview questions20:26
GAN800We really need to line up as many interviews for this guy as we can. He's good. . . .20:26
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andre__oh, a new one?20:29
andre__hmm. no.20:30
GAN800He emailed me a set of questions20:31
GAN800Hopefully I can find time to answer. :/20:31
andre__ah. cool.20:31
andre__was the same here a few weeks ago :)20:31
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achadwickHm. Can I prevent the Hildon menu from firing during a gtk widget grab? Alternatively, is there a quick way of greying out the entire Hildon menu?20:34
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dystopiaare gecko security announces backported into maemo's gecko?20:36
t_s_ohrmf, i wonder if someone could hack the claws-mail interface to list mails using two lines rather then one...20:39
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Ivanovicgot a problem with inserting a value into a gtk (maemo) gui20:50
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Ivanovicin the case 'model' is initialised this way: static GtkTreeModel* model;20:52
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Ivanovicthe prob is basically that the gui freezes, just the quit button still works20:52
Ivanovicthe other thread (running in the background and calling the update) is working nicely20:53
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solmumahaIvanovic: does it do that if you don't update it from a thread?20:55
Ivanovicsolmumaha: the sole purpose of this widget is to be updated with the status of our buddylist20:56
Ivanovicso there is no way something like this could happen without the update20:56
Ivanovicthe main problem is that the gui basically halts (as in the stuff just does not show anything anymore)20:56
Ivanoviceven though both the gui thread and the "update thread" are still running20:57
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solmumahayes, but are you calling the update from a thread?20:57
Ivanovic(at least the functions putting the data into the model ist still there)20:57
Ivanovicyes, i do call it from a thread20:57
Ivanovicand the debug output shows that it is called and correct data inserted20:57
Ivanovicwhat our program is basically doing is providing some (video)chat tool for adhoc networks20:58
solmumahacan you easily test if the update succeeds if you call it from the main thread?20:58
solmumahagtk isn't really thread safe (from my experience)20:59
Ivanovici don't understand what you mean with this20:59
Ivanovicheh, it clearly is not in this case20:59
Ivanovicin main() i just start the two (boost) threads and initialize the stuff so that both parts can communicate21:00
Ivanovicone thread is the gui21:00
Ivanovicthe other some "worker thing" connecting to a DHT, getting values from there, putting some in, stuff like this21:00
Ivanovicit also regulary (every 15s) gets the list of people currently listed in the DHT (we use it for online/offline status in a messenger)21:01
Ivanovicthis thread then just calls the update routine and uses the list we got as parameter21:01
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solmumahawell i think you should only update widgets from the gtk main loop21:02
solmumahaotherwise they may misbehave21:02
WorkingOnWiseWhere can i finad the app to set the cpu speed to max ond normal? I had it a while back but cant remember what it was called. N800 NIT here.21:03
solmumahai'm not sure this is the case, but
lcukWorkingOnWise, :) liqbase does it21:04
solmumahai got weird segfaults and total freezes if i updated widgets from a thread, especially if it was a modal dialog for example :p21:04
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qwerty12_N800WorkingOnWise, liqbase, advanced power or (as root) echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (ondemand instead of performance for normal )21:05
Ivanovicsolmumaha: yeah, bevaviour is really weird...21:06
* lcuk offers qwerty some mild curry21:06
Ivanovicsolmumaha: thanks for the link, this one might help21:06
qwerty12_N800lcuk, no thanks (to the annoyance of my family coming from an asian family) :P21:07
WorkingOnWiseThis hat 2 shortcuts, one for high or max, the other was low or normal or maybe on demand. Right in the extras menu qwerty12_N80021:07
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lcukheh qwerty, my mum was just making one and just stood in the kitchen was makin me sweat21:08
solmumahatry making the update call from the main loop, that should easily tell you if the threads are causing it21:08
qwerty12_N800lcuk, lol21:08
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qwerty12_N800WorkingOnWise, such shortcuts are provided by qole's easy-deb-chroot21:09
WorkingOnWiseAhhhhh... and i did not install that yet. Thanks qwerty12_N80021:10
lcukif i was gonna get a graphics card now for pc gaming, what should I get - im thinking nvidia 9600 ish as best bang for buck, but do ppl have other ideas21:12
lcuk(its for mummy)21:12
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lardmanoh, what sort of gaming?21:14
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lcukgeneral gaming at std monitor 1280*1024, not quite farcry but also not minesweeper21:15
lardmanI played Doom with a pair of 7300s21:16
lcukthe 7600 i had was plenty for everything i throw at it so im just thinking better the devil and all that, the 96 is at about the right price21:16
lardmanbut 7900gtx is much better21:16
lardmanI thought those midrange 9000 series were little more than a slightly more expensive 8000 series21:17
lcuk:D i mentioned overclocking her ati 155021:17
lcukyeah, but all are lower priced21:17
derfThe jump from 7xxx to 8xxx is _much_ larger than the jump from 8xxx to 9xxx.21:17
lcukits only ~50quid anyway21:17
lardmanthough I don't really know, was looking at highish end stuff (and decided it wasn't worth upgrading my 7900gtx)21:17
lardmanderf: any thoughts on updgrades from my card?21:17
lcukthe 9x can run the cuda stuff and phys engine and stuff cant it21:17
lardmanyeah, that's useful for work, will buy one of those next year21:18
lcuklardman, get a pair of epsons in your desktop21:18
derflardman: I only care about GPGPU, so unless you're doing that, I'm probably the wrong person to ask.21:18
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lcukgpgpu == better physics in games ;)21:19
lardmanderf: that runs on nvidia or both?21:19
derfNVIDIA for now.21:19
lardmanderf: I'm planning to do some of that next year21:19
derfI'm not holding my breath for the OpenCL stuff, though.21:19
lardmanI was going to use the cdua matlab link stuff21:20
WorkingOnWiseIs there a clean way to clone to and boot from the sd card on an n800 with 43-7? Pb's install tools deb doesnt like the n800 too well yet.21:20
derfCUDA has some problems, but as long as you aren't trying to build a real application, you can work with it.21:20
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lardmanderf: ok, good to know21:20
derfStuff like, constant memory is reserved for the lifetime of the application, but there's very little of it.21:21
lcukderf, isnt it havent graphics cards got 1gb+ nowadays?21:21
derfSo if you have two independent modules that both want to use constant memory, even if it's not at the same time...21:21
derflcuk: Yes, but you can't get at most of that easily.21:22
derfA single read from main memory takes 400-600 cycles.21:22
lardmanderf: not a big issue for me, I'm planning to run simulation code21:22
lcukonly if you try to use the cpu to do the reading21:22
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derflcuk: No.21:22
lcukthe gpu can access its own memory MUCH faster - and thats the point isnt it21:22
derfIt is not.21:23
derfThe idea is that in that 400-600 cycles, you can read 2K of data distributed on 128 processors.21:23
lcukyeah, thats why you are doing it21:24
lcukyou process lots of data at once21:24
derfBut realistically, GPUs have maybe 2x-4x the memory bandwidth of a high-end PC.21:24
derfAnd they have 128 processors instead of 2 or 4.21:24
lardmanhmm, 128 processors sounds ideal :)21:25
derfSo the memory bandwidth _per_ _processor_ is very small.21:25
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derflardman: It's really only 64 but they multiplex different pipeline stages on even/odd clock cycles.21:25
lcukbut you are running in sequence and have your algo nice and organized and you can do the right kind of operations much faster than 2/4x the cpu equivilent21:25
derflcuk: Yes.21:26
lardmanderf: even that's better than 121:26
derflcuk: Anyway, each "multiprocessor", which is 16 processors on the NVIDIA cards, has a small amount of several different types of local memory.21:26
derfAnd _that_ can be accessed in 4 cycles instead of 400.21:26
derfSo that stuff is very, very precious.21:27
lcukso the analogs to normal processors remains just scaled up nicely21:27
lcuk:) im used to the 256byte cache on my 68020 :)21:27
derfWell, it's more along the lines of 64k cache, shared among 16 processors.21:28
derfWhich is only about 16 times better than your 68020.21:28
lcuk64k is enough for everyone21:28
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lcukbetter is relative ;) the less you use the further it goes21:29
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lardmanhi StsN80021:37
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t_s_ough, i keep forgetting that reporting a bug do not make one vote on it automatically...21:39
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lcuklardman, oooh21:43
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lcukshould i feel bad for wanting to rest and not code or hack or mess or anything21:45
StsN800lcuk, xmas food?21:46
lcukno not yet, just feelin bleugh - im tireder today than normally and ive done less21:47
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zakkmhi, how do i fix Suitable USB device not found, waiting21:53
zakkmUSB device found found at bus 005, device address 002-0421-0105-02-0021:53
zakkmError opening USB device: Unknown error: -121:53
zakkmflasher-2.0.macosx ..21:53
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lcukgrrrr murrayc_ \o/ you need to link the pdf somewhere on the contents page of the clutter docs ( thank you btw :) ), i couldv printed them today and only just found it22:15
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WorkingOnWiseI think i'm brain dead. I cant find for the life of me how to enable ext3 at boot and then clone my nit to an ext3 partition on an sd card. Help!22:20
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murrayc_lcuk: grrr, I have zero control over the clutter website.22:22
lcukisnt openismus yours?22:22
murrayc_lcuk: Yes.22:23
lcukand is this yours:
murrayc_lcuk: Yes.22:23
murrayc_lcuk: But htat's not the really the "clutter docs page".22:23
lcukits YOUR clutter docs page :)22:23
lcukmaybe not the official ones22:24
lcukanyway, im reading extensively :D22:24
murrayc_lcuk: Cool. We are working on a cluttermm version of that too.22:24
lcuk(btw, its yours that comes on top of google when i search for clutter tutorial ;)22:25
murrayc_lcuk: I'll think about adding PDF and HTML links to it, though it will make it less self-contained. I hoped to have it on the clutter website one day, though that seems increasingly unlikely. Having a link to one URL would make that harder.22:25
murrayc_lcuk: Well, there is no other.22:25
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lcukif i spot anything glaring I'll let you know22:26
lcukmore than welcome, i didnt touch it until i had a device to test on22:26
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lcukbut its very much aligned with a core widget ive been trying to create inside liqbase than anything22:26
lcukall ive gotta do is find a way to use it without ogl ;)22:27
murrayc_I have realistic hopes of adding syntax highlighting to the various documents that I have with inline source code.22:27
lcukseems reasonable, theres plenty of JS libs out there and tonnes of sites which offer it22:28
murrayc_I think there is/was a cairo backend for clutter, but I can't imagine how that works instead of OpenGL.22:28
murrayc_There's a helpful clutter irc channel somewhere or other.22:29
lcukwell ogl is only important for small aspects of it, if i limit the range of available actions it might be workable22:29
lcukyeah ill get into that when i have a bit more knowledge i just wanna see how it all fits with what ive got here22:29
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jakemaheugood afternoon22:30
jakemaheuany news?22:31
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Ivanovicsolmumaha: thanks, not it really works22:33
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WorkingOnWiseHow do i get ext3 on boot? OS2008 43-722:35
andre__and "ext3 on boot" means...?22:36
WorkingOnWiseTo be able to read/write an ext3 partition on an sd card without having to load anything manually.22:39
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WorkingOnWiseWhat do i have to do so i can read, write, and create ext3 partitions on my n800 with the latest os2008, and the update 43-7?22:44
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zakkmWorkingonwise: run terminal?22:52
zakkmrun fdisk in terminal22:53
zakkmto create partition22:53
WorkingOnWiseHow do get the ext3 file system avsilsble all the time? I cant seem to find the kernel modules to download them.22:54
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WorkingOnWiseAnd cant find the info i used to walk me thru alll this last time i did it.22:55
zakkmtheres ext3 support in the normal kernel?22:55
zakkmyou make partition.. and mess with fstab to mount it?22:56
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StsN800WorkingOnWise, look at penguinbait's console tools22:56
r2d2rogershow's it going StsN800 ?23:00
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WorkingOnWisezakkm: got booted. When i did this on os2007 i had to load ext3.ko, but i cant find where to download it now, or even where to put it if i do find it.23:06
StsN800r2d2rogers, xmas rush so focused mostly on getting sdk going23:07
zakkmext3 should be in diablo kernel?23:07
r2d2rogersStsN800: awesome23:07
StsN800WorkingOnWise, look at penguinbait's console tools23:07
zakkmdid penguinbait add it in his install-tools?23:07
r2d2rogersStsN800: I didn't plan on playingtoo much till next week or next year ;)23:07
StsN800ext3 is in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules23:07
StsN800.. what the child prodigy said23:08
WorkingOnWiseStsN800: i did, but i had troubles with it on my 800. It doesnt like the keyboard poppin up over it when i hit a button.23:08
WorkingOnWiseUnless he fixed it today....23:09
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WorkingOnWiseSo does Diablo have ext3 support out-of-the-box?23:13
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StsN800it has the ko23:14
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BULLEhmm, anyone here who hsa experience with connecting to the internet via a 3g phone ?23:15
BULLEi  get it to work just fine, but the darn thing disconnects like every 5 minutes or so23:15
BULLEits very irritating23:15
timelE61ium "wfm"23:15
StsN800as simple as a gprs one23:16
timelE61iAnd for sp3000 using my phone23:16
BULLEyeah, its the disconnecting that annoys me23:16
timelE61iWhat phone23:16
BULLEim pretty sure its the n810 that is the cause of it, and not the phone, as if i use the same phone, but via my laptop, it doesnt disconnect23:16
BULLEim woundering if i need to increase some timeout value somewhere, or enable some keep alive settings or something23:17
BULLEcan i somehow see what commands the n810 is sending to the phone, when it initiates the connection ? i would just like to compare to the commands i use from vwdial on the laptop23:18
BULLEto rule out any differences in AT commands23:18
timelE61iIirc it's in gconf23:19
BULLEoh, thanks, i think i installed some gui gconf editor, i should take a peak with it23:19
BULLEand see if i can find some numbers and fiddle around a bit23:19
lcukdoes it DC if you start a large file downloading and let it come in23:20
lcukie not idling23:20
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BULLEwould be nice to know if its a bluetooth problem or an umts problem, or how to characterize it, as the bluetooth icon goes dim23:20
BULLElcuk: hmmm, havent dared to do that, as the cost for me of using the umts data is pretty darn steep23:20
BULLElcuk: but i guess imight have to try that anyway23:20
lcukit would let you know if its due to idling :)23:21
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BULLElcuk: ye23:21
lcukand much simpler than anything else23:21
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BULLEhmm, 1.5 euro per megabyte23:21
BULLEfor like atleast 10 minutes23:21
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timelE61iFlat rate :)23:22
BULLEtimelE61i: ye,guess thats an option to consider23:22
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BULLEnot sure i can get flatrate with a prepaid umts simcard though23:23
olii've got a superb transparency-fading-in/out-menus on my n800!23:23
oliinstallation is easier than getting root access!23:23
qwerty12_N800oli, 'twas me who compiled the xcompmgr ;)23:24
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oliqwerty12_N800: you're wrong ;) i took my n on a short walk outside and it got cold a little bit23:28
oliall cold LCD's got huge reaction time23:29
qwerty12_N800oli, hehe, maybe not. I get that effect quite a bit and the left side of my screen seems to be damaged (liqbase strokes on that side are way lighter :()23:30
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lcukqwerty12_N800, get involved:
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* Stskeeps lights up a smoke and gets at coding a bloody testcase for the sapwood 100% problem23:34
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* lcuk passes Stskeeps a beer23:35
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, I'll try and dream up some ideas :)23:35
Tu13esjakemaheu: ping23:35
aquatixlcuk: please let it do dishes23:36
lcukadd it to the list23:36
lcuki cant promise you can do it with current hardware though23:36
lcuknokia feature upgrade23:36
aquatixfeature update 2 to the singularity23:36
lcuk * RX-51: added dish washing controls23:36
lcukits tiem for me to vanish anyway23:37
lcuki wanna go n stroke my screen for a bit23:38
RST38h* RX-51: By popular demand, added a huge deadly laser23:38
lcukahhh, so they solved the waterproofing problems23:39
lcukthey were having trouble with the sharkmount because of that23:39
qwerty12_N800s/laser/shank and no water problems :p23:39
Tu13eswhat happens if i format the internal memory card?23:40
qwerty12_N800the world ends23:40
Tu13esOH NO23:40
lcukdamn ubuntu - i set it so it wouldnt ask for username password on login (cos im in tablet mode and dont want osk) and it logged in then the first thing it asked was my password for keyring \@/23:41
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`0660i have the same problem with network-manager23:48
rm_youroflcopter lcuk23:49
lcukis there a button i can click that says "i want to connect to a windows xp network, please disable all security features"23:50
lcukoffs, now i rotate display and its ok with that, the screen works nicely - but the fluffin stylus is still the original way23:52
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* lcuk needs to configure this a bit better23:52
* lcuk does old fashioned screen rotation23:52
aquatixlcuk: yeah, security has to come from somewhere :)23:54
lcuki know, but people moan about the number of dialogs in vista23:55
aquatixheh :)23:55
lcuki get just as frustrated by being asked to enter password23:55
aquatixwell, i prefer logging in once and then not getting asked again23:55
lcuki know its every 5 minutes by default, but thats more than i need in some situations23:55
lcuk"i am sat in my cosy warm safe home with no malicious apps running and no direct gateway to the internet, please loosen your collar juist a touch"23:56
Tu13esanyone installed NITdroid?23:57
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lcukok you dont count23:59

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