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| jakemaheu | how do you pipe results from grep to umount? | 00:05 |
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| StsN800 | xargs prolly | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | i've got: mount|grep -e media| | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | i need to put grep results into umount to automatically unmount a device for partitioning | 00:06 |
| StsN800 | qwerty12_N800, how difficult is it to disable kernel flash (initfs ok) in mar | 00:06 |
| StsN800 | maemo? | 00:06 |
| RST38h | better pipe 'em to mkfs! | 00:07 |
| Grackle | jakemaheu, yeah, xargs | 00:07 |
| timelE61i | Sts: mer? (mar?) | 00:09 |
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| StsN800 | timelE61i, blame h-i-m | 00:09 |
| StsN800 | ment maemo | 00:09 |
| RST38h | la mer! | 00:09 |
| StsN800 | mm | 00:10 |
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| andre___ | anybody got a minute and can start MicroB in 5.2008.43-7, go to ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/ , tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" and click "Save Target as"? | 00:32 |
| andre___ | for me it crashes, but i'd love to have a confirmation | 00:32 |
| oli | is it possible to check n800's current power consumption (in mA) | 00:33 |
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| oli | in software way, without connecting between battery and device ;p | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | andre___, where again | 00:36 |
| andre___ | lcuk, ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/ | 00:37 |
| andre___ | tap&hold on "LATEST.xml" (or any other file) and choose "Save Target as" from the context menu | 00:37 |
| lcuk | confirmed crash, left clicking opens it correctly however (cos my screen is dodgy it prefers not to allow me to tap and hold | 00:38 |
| lcuk | tap, hold, save as == crash | 00:38 |
| andre___ | cool. thanks a lot! | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | :( | 00:38 |
| lcuk | np, well you have a problem | 00:38 |
| timelE61i | Clearly not tested | 00:39 |
| lcuk | heh :P | 00:39 |
| lcuk | you can't click on every single link in the whole wide internet just fora point release :P | 00:39 |
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| andre___ | i don't have a problem, only work :) | 00:39 |
| andre___ | and bug 3954 for this | 00:39 |
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| timelE61i | lcuk: i didn't touch that release | 00:41 |
| timelE61i | I'm not even sure who did | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | heh timelE61i :) thats why quality has gone downhill ;) you wouldv actually stress tested every single link on the net multiple times (to check it wasnt a fluke) | 00:42 |
| lcuk | clutter is an evil temptress | 00:42 |
| timelE61i | lcuk: have you read about chrome? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | no, im staying away from browsers in general for now :) | 00:43 |
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| timelE61i | s'ok, but they basically test a large portion of the web w/ each change | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | cool! well i suppose it is google | 00:45 |
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| lardman | how does one do dialogs in GTK+/Hildon? | 01:34 |
| lardman | i.e. not appearing in the task bar, all that stuff? | 01:34 |
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| lardman | ah... gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons | 01:37 |
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| lardman | hi ssvb | 02:03 |
| ssvb | hi lardman | 02:03 |
| lardman | are you doing sbc officially now? | 02:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes, kind of | 02:06 |
| ssvb | maybe I'm overdoing it a bit :) | 02:06 |
| lardman | no, might as well get it completely right | 02:06 |
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| oli | is there any good filemanager formaemo? with draag/drop and other... | 02:09 |
| t_s_o | the built in one? | 02:10 |
| lardman | there;s also a GPE one | 02:10 |
| oli | can i browse whole filesystem with it? | 02:10 |
| t_s_o | and emlfm2 or something like that... | 02:11 |
| lardman | oli: yes | 02:11 |
| oli | built-in? | 02:11 |
| t_s_o | only problem with gpe file manager is that it cant show .hidden stuff by default, but you can access it via the path entry... | 02:11 |
| lardman | oli: you could always symlink from root to somewhere under /home/user, though that may produce media-meta-crawler problems | 02:11 |
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| lardman | t_s_o: ah, didn't know that, thanks | 02:12 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i have been pestering them about it. but its a slow process... | 02:12 |
| trenka | ssvb: already at work? ;) | 02:12 |
| ssvb | trenka: already at home :) | 02:13 |
| t_s_o | oh, and who has meta-crawler running these days? | 02:13 |
| ssvb | or it's better to say "finally" | 02:13 |
| oli | ln -s would be enought for me, thx | 02:14 |
| lardman | np | 02:14 |
| t_s_o | heh, holy prayers on the jesus-phone... | 02:15 |
| lardman | bed time for me, see you chaps tomorrow | 02:18 |
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| jakemaheu | hello | 02:42 |
| jakemaheu | i updated my how-to | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | on nitdroid | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | i wrote a couple of scripts for automatic downloadin and flashing | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | s/downloadin/downloading/ | 02:43 |
| infobot | jakemaheu meant: i wrote a couple of scripts for automatic downloading and flashing | 02:43 |
| jakemaheu | yay for wget | 02:44 |
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| jakemaheu | extras? | 02:45 |
| jakemaheu | infobot: extras? | 02:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 02:45 |
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| jakemaheu | no, infobot, extras is bob | 02:46 |
| jakemaheu | infobot: extras? | 02:46 |
| infobot | i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 02:46 |
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| jakemaheu | does anyone here use NITdroid? | 02:47 |
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| jakemaheu | ~curse infobot | 02:52 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! | 02:52 |
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| jakemaheu | infobot: hobos? | 02:53 |
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| jakemaheu | the smell of hobo is gross | 02:54 |
| jakemaheu | infobot, what is the smell of hobo? | 02:55 |
| infobot | jakemaheu: what are you talking about? | 02:55 |
| jakemaheu | infobot: the smell of hobo is gross | 02:56 |
| infobot | jakemaheu: okay | 02:56 |
| jakemaheu | the smell of hobo | 02:56 |
| jakemaheu | what is the smell of hobo | 02:56 |
| jakemaheu | what is the smell of hobo? | 02:56 |
| jakemaheu | infobot, what is the smell of hobo? | 02:56 |
| infobot | jakemaheu: I think you lost me on that one | 02:56 |
| jakemaheu | infobot, the smell of hobo? | 02:57 |
| jakemaheu | infobot: infobot | 02:57 |
| infobot | jakemaheu, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. | 02:57 |
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| jakemaheu | infobot: infobot stinks | 02:58 |
| jakemaheu | ~gender | 02:59 |
| infobot | I'm male | 02:59 |
| jakemaheu | ~gender | 02:59 |
| jakemaheu | ~name | 03:00 |
| infobot | i guess name is The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) | 03:00 |
| jakemaheu | ~karma | 03:01 |
| infobot | jakemaheu has neutral karma | 03:01 |
| jakemaheu | ~bottomkarma | 03:01 |
| jakemaheu | nickometer jakemaheu | 03:01 |
| jakemaheu | ~nickometer jakemaheu | 03:02 |
| infobot | 'jakemaheu' is 0.000% lame, jakemaheu | 03:02 |
| jakemaheu | sweet | 03:02 |
| jakemaheu | ~nickometer GeneralAntilles | 03:02 |
| infobot | 'GeneralAntilles' is 0.000% lame, jakemaheu | 03:02 |
| jakemaheu | seen solca | 03:02 |
| jakemaheu | ~seen solca | 03:03 |
| infobot | solca <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 37m 26s ago, saying: 'ok, gotto go, see ya!...'. | 03:03 |
| jakemaheu | ~seen solca_ | 03:03 |
| infobot | solca_ <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 39m 47s ago, saying: 'but if this works can be a good workaround'. | 03:03 |
| jakemaheu | ~time | 03:03 |
| infobot | 2008.12.23 1:03:51 GMT | 03:03 |
| jakemaheu | ~burn solca for not being here | 03:04 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over solca for not being here, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 03:04 | |
| jakemaheu | he needs to reappear | 03:04 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i see someone have got their hands on a vonhippel module and bug ;) | 03:35 |
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| briand | asdf | 03:40 |
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| kkrusty | so a2dp will be added in fremantle? will it work for n810s? | 03:57 |
| t_s_o | if someone gets its backported, yes... | 03:58 |
| t_s_o | one can get a2dp working on a N810 right now, but as its not properly integrated with the audio system of maemo, its hit or miss if the different apps will make use of it... | 03:58 |
| kkrusty | t_s_o: and I hear its a battery drainer | 03:59 |
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| t_s_o | thats thanks to all the encoding (a2dp use a specific codec) needs to be done on cpu... | 04:00 |
| t_s_o | basically the same problem as with decoding ogg and similar | 04:00 |
| t_s_o | now if someone could come up with a DSP driver for it... | 04:00 |
| kkrusty | someone = nokia? | 04:01 |
| ssvb | t_s_o: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc | 04:01 |
| t_s_o | ah, nice :) | 04:01 |
| t_s_o | i see it takes some kernel flashing... | 04:02 |
| t_s_o | im guessing it will be made part of mer, or is so already? | 04:04 |
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| Mousey | happy winter solstice, earthlings | 04:22 |
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| jakemaheu | ello' ev'rybody | 06:21 |
| summatusmentis | your nick makes my irssi highlight everytime | 06:22 |
| jakemaheu | i've just written possibly the most awesome script ever | 06:22 |
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| jakemaheu | it downloads nitdroid, partitions the card, then unpacks the rootfs and flashes the kernel | 06:25 |
| Proteous | but does it make me a cheeseburger? | 06:26 |
| Proteous | cause, you know, I can has cheeseburger | 06:26 |
| jakemaheu | no you can't, cats don't eat cheeseburgers | 06:27 |
| * Proteous cries | 06:27 | |
| * TrueJournals offers Proteous a cheeseburger | 06:27 | |
| * Proteous cheers | 06:28 | |
| jakemaheu | ~find solca | 06:31 |
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| infobot | Debian Search of 'solca' (1 of 2): (/usr/share/maxima/5.17.0/share/sym/resolcayley.lisp) in math/maxima-share. | 06:33 |
| jakemaheu | ~news add jakemaheu wrote a nitdroid installer script | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | STOP IT :-P | 06:34 |
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| jakemaheu | why? | 06:34 |
| summatusmentis | your nick makes my hilights go off :-P | 06:35 |
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| summatusmentis | my first name is Jake. Don't worry about it, just giving you crap | 06:37 |
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| jakemaheu | ah, okay | 06:38 |
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| jakemaheu | sup? | 07:46 |
| fiekia | sex | 07:49 |
| fiekia | is i bad if i use my female roommates butt plug while she is out of town? | 07:49 |
| jakemaheu | are you a girl as well? | 07:52 |
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| jakemaheu | if you're both clean and you wash it before and after, go ahead and post pics lol | 07:55 |
| jaska | ... | 07:55 |
| jakemaheu | in b4 no girls on interbutts | 07:56 |
| fiekia | i have penis | 08:00 |
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| jakemaheu | oh | 08:08 |
| jakemaheu | don't do it, use a broom or horse | 08:09 |
| jakemaheu | or another man | 08:09 |
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| Meiz_n810 | wow.. i didn't know that it's possible to change the engine of MicroB.. 0_o | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | Meiz: not practically possible afaik | 08:41 |
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| Meiz_n810 | someone on itT did it | 08:44 |
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| RST38h | URL? =) | 08:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | sec | 08:57 |
| rm_you| | johnx: johnx | 08:57 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752 | 08:59 |
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| StsN800 | morn | 09:14 |
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| StsN800 | wb | 09:18 |
| Meiz__n810 | morning Sts | 09:22 |
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| Meiz__n810 | someone have put webkit engine to micob. 0_o | 09:22 |
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| StsN800 | url? and no surprises. microb ui is still closed though | 09:30 |
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| Meiz__n810 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25752 | 09:40 |
| Meiz__n810 | if nokia opens the ui, microb would be another great webkit browser for mer :P | 09:42 |
| StsN800 | hehe | 09:42 |
| StsN800 | or if we can bundle:P | 09:43 |
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| StsN800 | Meiz__n810, merry xmas though, i won't be that much on the next two days | 09:56 |
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| johnx | hey lardman | 11:26 |
| lardman | morning chaps | 11:26 |
| lardman | hey johnx | 11:27 |
| johnx | mmm...good to be back from work | 11:27 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me is at work | 11:27 |
| johnx | no way I can be on IRC at work | 11:28 |
| johnx | different job though I guess :) | 11:28 |
| lardman | yeah, I'm sitting waiting for code to finish running atm | 11:28 |
| lardman | and waiting for someone to turn up to fix some kit, so thumb twiddling time | 11:29 |
| johnx | no waiting at my job O_o either working or off the clock | 11:29 |
| * lardman feels he can sit around for a bit as he was working (day job) till 1.30am last night | 11:29 | |
| johnx | eep | 11:30 |
| johnx | that's a world of pain | 11:30 |
| lardman | well, end of year, I want to get stuff finished otherwise I'll forget what I was doing, etc, | 11:30 |
| lardman | but yeah, regretting it this morning | 11:31 |
| johnx | good to not be wearing a suit too. I really need to buy a warm coat I can wear over my suit jacket :/ | 11:32 |
| lardman | ah, I don't wear a suit/jacket often :) | 11:32 |
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| johnx | I didn't when I worked IT. heck, hair color wasn't even an issue then | 11:32 |
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| johnx | hey qwerty12 | 11:34 |
| * lardman pictures johnx with a pink mohican :D | 11:34 | |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | hi johnx | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 11:34 |
| johnx | lardman, it was blue for a summer actually, then kind of faded to grey. ahaha | 11:34 |
| lardman | :) | 11:35 |
| * lardman curses hyperthreading for not being real | 11:40 | |
| johnx | heh | 11:40 |
| johnx | and for slowing things down? | 11:40 |
| lardman | does it? | 11:40 |
| johnx | depends on the workload | 11:40 |
| johnx | but yes, it can | 11:41 |
| lardman | certainly slow when matlab is taking 100% of the cpu | 11:41 |
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| * lardman specs up a new PC so he can port simulation code to CUDA | 11:46 | |
| lardman | caffeine first though | 11:46 |
| RST38h | ehlo qwerty-lardman-johnx | 11:46 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 11:46 |
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| qwerty12 | moo RST38h | 11:46 |
| johnx | hello meat-based-lifeform-RST38h | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I could have sworn your computer was all fast :P | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | morning. | 11:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: sure about it? | 11:47 |
| qwerty12 | morning X-Fade | 11:47 |
| RST38h | helo X-fade | 11:47 |
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| StsN800 | yawn | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | hi StsN800 | 12:20 |
| StsN800 | morning. in car going to my dads for xmas | 12:21 |
| solmumaha | hope you aren't driving | 12:22 |
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| StsN800 | yes, driving with one hand on wheel and on screen kbd in the other;o | 12:24 |
| StsN800 | .. gf driving | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 12:25 |
| inz | I'm not sure which is better...</chauvinism> | 12:26 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: home computer is all fast, work computer is not so fast | 13:16 |
| * lardman apologises for tardy reply, had chap here fixing a laser | 13:17 | |
| qwerty12 | lardman, ah :) | 13:17 |
| * qwerty12 wonders if it is worth wasting his time getting timidity to use a gtk2 file selector which eventually would become a hildon file selector | 13:17 | |
| lardman | doesn't time stretch on forever when you're young? ;) | 13:18 |
| qwerty12 | heh, wouldn't know about that... | 13:19 |
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| * lardman wants an ebook reader | 13:27 | |
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| lardman | but not for ~£200 | 13:27 |
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| orifice-n810 | The root flash is filling up quick (97%) :( | 13:34 |
| orifice-n810 | Is that kosher? | 13:35 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pah, you only don't WONTFIX reports because you want *me* to get the flames for it :-P | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | andre___, is that part of your job description? :D | 13:37 |
| andre___ | hehe... sometimes i have that impression :-D | 13:38 |
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| * qwerty12 loves reading changelogs but I can't be bothered to run dch when it comes to stuff of my own :( | 13:40 | |
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| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_diablo_4-1_reference_manual_released/ | 13:50 |
| lcuk | wssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | Keyboard trouble, lcuk? | 13:52 |
| lcuk | edgregrtyytytutygtyryeyteuhthtuytytytyfryryryryryrtyryryryrttrtryrurufujfjfjduduerur8yt8uh8uhyryryryryrtryryryryryryryryrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryryyrryryryrryryryryryryrryryryryrdhh/fhfhfhfhh | 13:52 |
| suihkulokki | lcuk: do you have a cat? | 13:53 |
| rmrfchik | do you have also ls, echo or cp? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | KILLLLLLLLLLL | 13:59 |
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| lcuk_santa | ho ho ho | 14:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's minigpsd? | 14:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | can it be used with Maemo-Mapper | 14:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 14:06 |
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| lcuk_santa | Meiz_n810: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24205 | 14:09 |
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| Meiz_n810 | thanks | 14:11 |
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| lcuk_santa | yw | 14:13 |
| lcuk_santa | hiya lardman | 14:13 |
| achadwick | I'm trying to use a curl-based app from within the (i386 target) sbox and with a Xephyr display, and I'm getting "Couldn't resolve host 'api.openstreetmap.org'" back from libcurl every time. Using command-line curl on the command line work fine though, for the URL in question. Am I missing something fundamental about the SDK here? | 14:13 |
| * achadwick is maemo-noob. | 14:13 | |
| lcuk_santa | achadwick: are you testing on the normal linux command line, or from within scratchbox itself | 14:14 |
| achadwick | All within scratchbox. | 14:14 |
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| lardman | hey lcuk_santa | 14:14 |
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| lcuk_santa | oooer dunno though, ive heard about dns resolution problems before but not in a while | 14:15 |
| lardman | lcuk_santa: proxy? | 14:15 |
| achadwick | Hmm. /etc/resolv.conf is "nameserver 127.0.0.1". Could that be it? | 14:15 |
| lcuk_santa | no, theres a humanized firewall on my home machine - jakey wont let me past, everytime i login with vnc and try to do anything he reopens his cbeebies window | 14:16 |
| achadwick | Begs the question though: why does apt-get and ssh work on the sbox command line? | 14:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | iirc apt is a host binary (at least dpkg-dev stuff is) | 14:17 |
| achadwick | Ah. I didn't know about that little split; thought everything ran inside a vm env. Lol, n00bs. | 14:18 |
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| achadwick | Merely adding my real nameservers to the sbox's /etc/resolv.conf has done the trick. Thanks for the pointers. | 14:20 |
| lcuk_santa | excellent | 14:23 |
| lcuk_santa | im thinking of what to call my new app :$ im considering "myjourney", as in "myjourney began with liqbase" :) | 14:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | does myjourney really go with what your app is about though? | 14:24 |
| lcuk_santa | i dunno | 14:25 |
| lcuk_santa | its just a start :) | 14:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 14:25 |
| lcuk_santa | i needed to give the folder a name and that popped in | 14:25 |
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| WormFood | has anyone played all the way through hex-a-hop? some of the levels in that game are fuckin' tough | 14:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I downloaded a save :/ | 14:26 |
| dfaure | ouch, I upgraded "OS 2008" using the application manager, and now the N810 tablet won't boot nor switch off, it only shows the "Nokia" logo.... | 14:26 |
| lcuk_santa | dfaure, could be worse: your n810 could be showing a sony logo | 14:28 |
| dfaure | heh | 14:28 |
| dfaure | seriously, what can I do now? | 14:28 |
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| achadwick | Ouch. Battery out, see if that turns it off :) And reflash if it doesn't resurrect. | 14:28 |
| lcuk_santa | it sounds like your update went wrong, pop battery and see | 14:29 |
| lcuk_santa | if that fails you might have to reflash - you did follow the warning before you stareted about backing up didnt you... | 14:29 |
| dfaure | well... :-) it always says that ;) | 14:29 |
| lcuk_santa | theres a reason they always say that ;) | 14:29 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 never backs up. I just use usbnet in bootmenu to get to my files ;) | 14:30 | |
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| * dfaure only cares for one file on the device... we'll see. for now I'm trying to find how to remove the battery... | 14:33 | |
| lcuk_santa | dfaure, where do you keep that pron video then? is it on mmc2 or in ~ ? | 14:34 |
| dfaure | on my desktop machine :-) | 14:34 |
| dfaure | the todo file is in ~/.kde4... | 14:35 |
| lcuk_santa | qwerty, you will knwo, when do the drives become accessible via usb from desktop? | 14:37 |
| lcuk_santa | dfaure, before you reflash plug your usb lead in and see if you can access folders | 14:38 |
| dfaure | yep, sure | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, should be after ke-recv is started but I can only see mine when te desktop is shown | 14:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/te/the/ | 14:39 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: lcuk, should be afther ke-recv is started but I can only see mine when te desktop is shown | 14:39 |
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| lcuk_santa | heh | 14:40 |
| lcuk_santa | clBUTTic | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but even with the cable plugged in, you'd only see mmc1 & mmc2 which makes no difference as they aren't going to be affected by a reflash | 14:41 |
| * dfaure swears to never upgrade the OS again... | 14:44 | |
| lcuk_santa | mmmm when i first got 810 it showed 2 drives available in windows when i only had one - i could access the second one and always thought the other one was normal FS but i couldnt access cos it was wrong FS | 14:44 |
| lcuk_santa | dfaure, as long as your tool does the job theres no need to keep on the bleeding edge | 14:44 |
| dfaure | yep, just was curious what improvements were being made ;) | 14:44 |
| lcuk_santa | well, now you are a dead cate. watch out, you haven't got too many lives left. | 14:46 |
| lcuk_santa | cat even | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dfaure, do you have bootmenu installed? | 14:46 |
| dfaure | yes I think so | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | linux on the computer? | 14:47 |
| dfaure | yes | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can get your files back then | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hrm, 1 sec | 14:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, if you can boot up the tablet and go into usb networking mode from bootmenu | 14:49 |
| dfaure | the key for making bootmenu appear is the topleft "fullscreen" one, right? | 14:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | think so, I use the menu key on the N800. if you have it installed, it should say which key it wants you to press | 14:50 |
| dfaure | doesn't say anything, I only see the nokia logo... | 14:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you don't have it installed then | 14:51 |
| dfaure | or it hangs before that ;) | 14:52 |
| dfaure | I did have a boot menu installed, when I reflashed to install kde4. | 14:52 |
| dfaure | it showed a lilo-like boot choice for 2 seconds or so | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not likely ;), you'd get hangs after bootmenu has shown looking at my initfs modding | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the bootmenu has been wiped out by the update probably | 14:54 |
| dfaure | ah, might be | 14:54 |
| dfaure | that's not a nice update mechanism :( | 14:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | if you backed up the bootmenu.jffs2 to the computer, you can flash it | 14:54 |
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| GAN800 | Damn! andre___'s catching on! :P | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | Nah ;) | 15:13 |
| andre___ | dumdidum | 15:15 |
| andre___ | X-Fade, can you forward me the bugmail again as attachment (including the headers)? guess you didn't receive one today but i only worked around it | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | andre___: Yes, I didn't receive one today. | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | I'll see what I can dig up.. | 15:17 |
| dfaure | qwerty12_N800: I think I installed everything on mmc1, in fact. But how can I flash a bootmenu without a booting device? | 15:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dfaure, if you saved the bootmenu.jffs2 file that was made when installing bootmenu, you can run 'flasher-3.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2' on the computer to flash an image with bootmenu back | 15:21 |
| dfaure | I can't find such a file, but I could probably recreate it? | 15:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no, it could be done but it's way too long. probably easier to see if you can find an image from somewhere... | 15:24 |
| GAN800 | andre___, mostly I'm looking for consensus and fortifying your position a bit for when you WONTFIX them. ;) | 15:24 |
| andre___ | GAN800, what a sly and cunning plan! ;-) | 15:25 |
| GAN800 | I'd forgotten how little time there is to decompress and sleep when we're working so many hours a day. | 15:26 |
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| dfaure | yessss!!!!! | 15:31 |
| dfaure | success | 15:32 |
| dfaure | all I had to do was sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 --set-root-device mmc :-) | 15:32 |
| dfaure | then it booted again, and then said "upgrade successfully installed" -- LOL | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: Sleep less :) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | He ever sleeps? Surprise. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Now he does.. | 15:36 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, not if I want to stay on my feet for 9 hours. ;) | 15:40 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Only 9? | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: I though you were talking about 20 orso.. | 15:40 |
| GAN8001 | Urgh, the fixed-width discussion being settled is total BS, Tim. . . . | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | I need a flexible layout for gforge, mediawiki and bugzilla at least. | 15:42 |
| GAN8001 | The whole site needs to be at least a little flexible. | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | But we really need more progress. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | I wonder if we can plan a few sessions with the designer and css guy in a channel and just hack on this thing. | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: So you're liking clutter so far? :) | 15:51 |
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| lcuk_grrr | x-fade, yes i am very impressed :) | 16:00 |
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| * lcuk_grrr curses jacob | 16:00 | |
| lcuk_grrr | hes still not letting me have my pc | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Lol ;) | 16:01 |
| lcuk_grrr | x-fade, i just wish it went as fast as liqbase ;) | 16:04 |
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| WormFood | I only have one more level on hex-a-hop to complete...anyone know of any other good puzzle games for the N800? | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | lcuk_grrr: Get better hardware ;) | 16:07 |
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| lcuk_grrr | X-Fade: bit hard on my budget, the missus is already furious at me for spending the little i have done so far. | 16:24 |
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| thebishop | hello, is there a standard "magic number" for booting ARM devices? | 16:30 |
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| X-Fade | Oops: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-thumbnail/ChangeLog :) | 17:14 |
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| lcuk_pcless | careful, those marbles will ride up | 17:29 |
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| dystopia | who's in the circus, you or me? =] | 17:29 |
| lcuk_pcless | i tihnk its you, im just a heckler | 17:30 |
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| lcuk_pcless | nahhh johnx, the world wwon at keeping you awake | 17:33 |
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| lcuk_pcless | gah i hate that, occasionally ill drop off nice and early, only to be woken shortly after | 17:37 |
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| johnx | I knew it'd happen too, going to sleep that early...but there was nothing for it at the time | 17:37 |
| lcuk_pcless | so now you have to find something better to do all evening | 17:38 |
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| lcuk_pcless | you up for a little task? like getting clutter working on 8x0 :P | 17:38 |
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| johnx | a little task, indeed! :P | 17:39 |
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| johnx | first I'll just re-learn C, then I'll write a DSP based OpenGL renderer, then ... it will be 2020 | 17:40 |
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| johnx | mmm...peanut butter | 17:46 |
| * RST38h was struggling to get decent VGBA performance and just found today that the board was running at 120MHz all the time | 17:49 | |
| johnx | ow | 17:49 |
| johnx | what's the normal clock speed? | 17:50 |
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| * RST38h echoes 360000 to CPU frequency scaler screaming MORRRRE POWERRRR and laughing maniacally | 17:50 | |
| dfaure | someone watched too much Home Improvement :-) | 17:50 |
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| johnx | sounds like you need a turbo button :) | 17:51 |
| * RST38h has got a turbo button | 17:51 | |
| RST38h | johnx: In fact, if you press the MENU button at the N810 keyboard in VGBA, you will see | 17:51 |
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| johnx | that's supposed to do what? | 17:53 |
| tomek | hello | 17:53 |
| johnx | hi tomek | 17:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is the TURRRBO button | 17:53 |
| johnx | guess it's buggy. :/ EXPECTED BEHAVIOR: an exhaust driven turbine should appear on the side of my tablet to compress the intake charge | 17:54 |
| johnx | OBSERVED BEHAVIOR: nothing | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | johnx: File a bug. | 18:05 |
| johnx | isn't IRC the right place for bugs? I just repeat myself until it's fixed, right? | 18:06 |
| RST38h | johnx: either that or until you get kickbanned I guess... | 18:07 |
| johnx | still b0rken... | 18:07 |
| johnx | still b0rken... | 18:07 |
| * johnx runs | 18:07 | |
| RST38h | KILL! =) | 18:07 |
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| tomek | I've got a silly problem... when I want to install the maemo sdk (diablo) I just get the message, that vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 isn't configured in the sysctl.conf-file, but I added that line and the message just appears.. | 18:09 |
| tomek | tipps? | 18:09 |
| johnx | that won't take affect until a reboot or until you run sysctl manually | 18:10 |
| johnx | I believe: sysctl -p but you should check | 18:10 |
| tomek | I even rebooted 2 times :| | 18:10 |
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| tomek | .. and root'ed sysctl -p every time | 18:11 |
| johnx | cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr | 18:11 |
| tomek | 4096 | 18:12 |
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| johnx | and it still complains? very odd | 18:12 |
| tomek | :| | 18:12 |
| johnx | which distro? | 18:12 |
| tomek | ubuntu intrepid | 18:12 |
| johnx | yeah, same here | 18:12 |
| tomek | sb1 by repos | 18:12 |
| johnx | and you're using the latest 4.1.2 script? | 18:13 |
| tomek | yes.. | 18:13 |
| tomek | :| | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | tomek, you may need to edit /etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf as it contains another mmap line | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | though I note I didn't have to do but I use a hardy kernel an | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | *anyway | 18:14 |
| tomek | exists the /etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf-file on other distros too? | 18:15 |
| ciroip | HEY QWERTY12 ! | 18:15 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe, hi ciroip | 18:15 |
| ciroip | why are you wasting your time on irc: | 18:16 |
| tomek | I see upcoming bugs on my esdk-project on maemo.garage :| | 18:16 |
| ciroip | there is a .bz2 that wait you to became a wonderfull butterdebfly | 18:16 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/23/bees_on_cocaine/ | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | I like it :P but i'm waiting for timidity to finish building | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, who's their supplier | 18:17 |
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| qwerty12 | ciroip, i'm tired of running dpkg-buildpackage today :p. I've spent 3/4 hours on timidity already :/ | 18:17 |
| ciroip | lol, dont worry, was just a joke | 18:18 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Evil British scientists | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | ciroip, I'll do it tomorrow :) | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, hehe, i'll have to get their contact details | 18:18 |
| ciroip | I dont think each single release deserve a .deb :) | 18:18 |
| johnx | RST38h, http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14619750.500-spiders-on-speed-get-weaving.html | 18:18 |
| johnx | I think the real story is scientists vicariously enjoying illegal drugs by feeding them to insects | 18:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Waste of drugs, they should be using them for themselves :) | 18:19 |
| johnx | there are a lot of scientists that could probably do with relaxing a bit... | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | johnx, problem is most drugs dont relax ppl | 18:29 |
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| ciroip | yo lcuk | 18:30 |
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| johnx | lcuk, I find caffeine very relaxing :) | 18:30 |
| lcuk | hiya ciro, i just wanted you for something, cant remember now | 18:30 |
| Meizirkki | jonhx: tslib fixed? :P | 18:30 |
| lcuk | johnx, ok | 18:30 |
| lcuk | iillegal drugs* | 18:30 |
| johnx | Meizirkki, :P I'm a little out of my depth. help appreciated | 18:31 |
| ciroip | k, probably not so important | 18:31 |
| ciroip | lcuk: is there a way I can use some liqbase scrollings from python? :) | 18:31 |
| lcuk | i think it was but i got sidetracked when i realised my pooter was back in my control | 18:31 |
| johnx | Meizirkki, though this guy will probably fix it before me: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-tslib | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | heh ciroip :) I wish i could say YESSSSSSSSSS easily, but i cannot, I know clutter has bindings to lots of languages but that doesnt help us here and now | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | liqbase would be no more help than sdl or pygame or anything | 18:33 |
| ciroip | k, just wondering | 18:33 |
| lcuk | but the scrolling itself is simple logic | 18:33 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: okay | 18:33 |
| lcuk | pygame should handle it just fine - even if the graphics card itself makes it tear | 18:33 |
| ciroip | I liked the idea to use something from liqbase | 18:33 |
| ciroip | a program with liqbase in the dependencies sound geek and cool | 18:34 |
| lcuk | ive liked the idea myself but my skills to making a library are very limited | 18:34 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, if you're interested, I think it's actually a slightly different bug. The fix for the old bug interacts badly with a hack I needed to apply to make x-x-i-tslib build against the latest x server. As soon as someone else tries to build against that x server they'll have to find a way to fix both bugs...so I think I'll wait for a couple days and see if someone else fixes it. | 18:35 |
| lcuk | and especially now i realise just how immature as a library it would be :$ i will speak to people about all this in the coming days anyway | 18:35 |
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| ciroip | great | 18:35 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: k | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | :) clutter might have enough to give me time to focus energies elsewhere, this core widget ive been looking for is already there, if i can use a liqbase renderer only without any messing it might then be useful for pygame/sdl/etc but i just dont know yet | 18:36 |
| ciroip | I would love the idea to join a smooth library code with some graphic gui elements so people can use it to pimp a bit the interfaces | 18:37 |
| lcuk | *nod* | 18:38 |
| * lcuk uses an stsism | 18:38 | |
| * RST38h looked at Clutter tutorial but did not understand why the hell anybody needs this | 18:39 | |
| RST38h | Haven't we got enough 2D rendering libraries? | 18:40 |
| derf | No. | 18:40 |
| ciroip | 2d rendering libraries are never enough | 18:41 |
| ciroip | they are perfect to confuse the users | 18:41 |
| ciroip | and users must stay confused and lost | 18:42 |
| b-man | lol | 18:42 |
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| pala | hi, i just reflashed with latest diablo release and the hildon-desktop process takes up a lot of resources, any ideas? (n810) | 18:44 |
| johnx | is it suddenly taking up more than it was before? | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | RSS reader set to autoscroll? :) | 18:45 |
| pala | well, i had the os version that came with the tablet so it was faster, yeah | 18:46 |
| b-man | did you have virtual memory disabled? | 18:47 |
| johnx | ah, ok. so hildon-desktop is probably working properly, but you're looking for ways to speed things up? | 18:47 |
| pala | b-man, how can i check that? | 18:47 |
| pala | johnx, yeah, the tablet works fine, it just eats up a lot of resources, even in idle | 18:47 |
| johnx | if you don't know what it is, you don't have it enabled :) | 18:47 |
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| b-man | go to the control panel > memory > virtual | 18:48 |
| johnx | if you're referring to memory usage, then that's pretty normal. Even though it looks like a lot of memory is used, most of it is shared libraries. | 18:48 |
| pala | johnx, i mean that the cpu stands around at 20% most of the time | 18:49 |
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| pala | johnx, which doesn't seem normal to me | 18:49 |
| johnx | aaah, well that's definitely not normal | 18:49 |
| mavhc | it's not, does it to me sometimes, I just kill it, which seems to kill everything else of course | 18:49 |
| johnx | what desktop applets do you have enabled? what statusbar applets? | 18:49 |
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| pala | johnx, i have a weather applet, homeip applet and traffic counter enabled | 18:50 |
| johnx | try getting rid of them one at a time | 18:51 |
| johnx | I would suspect the traffic counter first though | 18:51 |
| pala | johnx, they are all gone... still the same... the load varies between 15-30% | 18:52 |
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| johnx | and the load is from hildon-desktop ? | 18:52 |
| pala | johnx, exclusive | 18:52 |
| pala | b-man, i'm not sure that will do any good - using swap space will increase my memory, not my cpu | 18:53 |
| pala | johnx, could it be i'm using the latest diablo version? should i try with 4.2008 instead of 5.2008? | 18:54 |
| johnx | diablo really is better. I think it's worth it to try solving this | 18:55 |
| johnx | how are you measuring CPU usage? with top? or with the statusbar load applet? | 18:55 |
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| pala | johnx, statusbar - let me try top | 18:56 |
| johnx | aaah | 18:56 |
| johnx | yeah, get rid of statusbar load applet. :) | 18:56 |
| johnx | I'm not sure if it's still a problem, but I've heard that it takes lots of CPU time in the past | 18:56 |
| pala | oh, maybe that's it | 18:57 |
| pala | let me uninstall it | 18:57 |
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| johnx | and it runs inside hildon-desktop... | 18:57 |
| pala | do you happen to know it's name? | 18:58 |
| pala | i'm having trouble finding it | 18:58 |
| johnx | there's more than one I think...I don't know which one you installed | 18:58 |
| pala | ah, found it | 18:58 |
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| johnx | also, keep in mind that with diablo they added CPU frequency scaling, so that's really 20% of 160MHz | 18:58 |
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| pala | though not unix-style, i'll just try a reboot :) | 19:01 |
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| pala | johnx, hei, it really looks promissing now - thanks! | 19:04 |
| pala | damn applet | 19:04 |
| johnx | ironic, no? :D | 19:04 |
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| pala | really ironic :D | 19:05 |
| johnx | always fun when your tools cause the problem. Anyways, watch out for desktop applets and statusbar applets that are constantly updating | 19:06 |
| pala | great, thanks | 19:06 |
| pala | one more question - if, e.g., i go to the applets menu, some of the applets are named really odd like srch_ti_applet_internet_earch, including the buttons named like homebdselectapplets... is that something i might broke by restoring from a backup? | 19:07 |
| pala | or if, e.g., i open the browser, "ckt_ib_application loading" appears in the top right corner | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Have the give applet installed? | 19:08 |
| pala | qwerty12, bingo :D | 19:08 |
| pala | qwerty12, should i uninstall or it's not that easy? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | You can uninstall it but if you like using it, you can install this version: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233128&postcount=6 | 19:08 |
| pala | great qwerty12, thanks | 19:09 |
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| pala | i'll push my luck and just try another question - if you think i should google more (which i have) please tell me so - the fm radio simply doesn't work - not in the earlier version, not in this last version - i just don't hear anything... is this a known problem or my fm receiver might be broken? | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | do you have the headphones in? | 19:14 |
| pala | qwerty12, yes :) | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | ah :/ | 19:14 |
| johnx | hmm...it uses the headphone wire for an antenna. could you try different headphones? | 19:15 |
| pala | johnx, i'll give it a go when i'll find some that match | 19:16 |
| pala | thanks a lot guys, you are great! | 19:16 |
| johnx | sure. no problem. :) | 19:16 |
| disco_stu | pala.. wichh country are you from? | 19:17 |
| pala | disco_stu, romania | 19:17 |
| disco_stu | i've a friend called pala | 19:17 |
| pala | :) | 19:18 |
| pala | say hi :) | 19:18 |
| disco_stu | ok | 19:18 |
| disco_stu | :) | 19:18 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, so now I too wish I had an initfs with chroot :/ | 19:23 |
| aantn | RST38h: 2.5D, that is | 19:24 |
| aantn | RST38h: Clutter allows manipulation of 2d textures in 3D space | 19:24 |
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| aantn | It makes it easy to create very nifty interfaces with only a little code | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, you can scp the one I built to tmp? (If you have a lot of time, you can make a new initfs image) | 19:24 |
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| johnx | ah, where is yours? | 19:25 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, look in http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/ | 19:26 |
| orifice_work | is there any facility for pre/post connection scripts defined per connection name ? | 19:26 |
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| orifice_work | I know there are pre and post scripts, but I want to define them for specific access points. | 19:27 |
| johnx | you can use dbus-scripts to watch for a connect event. After that you should be able to get all the connection info you need | 19:27 |
| orifice_work | Or should I just check in the pre/post script what the essid is ? | 19:27 |
| orifice_work | ah ok | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | orifice_work, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/conler/ | 19:27 |
| johnx | well, yes, you could also do it the easy way :P | 19:28 |
| orifice_work | qwerty12: thanks! | 19:28 |
| orifice_work | I figured someone had written it already. | 19:28 |
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| riot | hmm. whenever i press one of the hardware buttons in maemo mapper, it just moves the map down a bit. How can i fix that or reset its configuration? | 19:32 |
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| orifice_work | my root is full and I'm not sure what's filling it up. Does the package manager cache stuff in the root ? | 19:42 |
| orifice_work | *root partition ? | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | If you use apt-get to install stuff | 19:42 |
| orifice_work | damn | 19:42 |
| orifice_work | I have been | 19:42 |
| johnx | apt-get autoclean | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get clean should be enough then | 19:42 |
| orifice_work | thank you | 19:43 |
| disco_stu | i gained like 10mb deleting help files | 19:43 |
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| riot | on the nokia tablets, theres a lot of demo-stuff like a music-video.. | 19:44 |
| orifice_work | 256 megs is really cutting it close for the OS | 19:44 |
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| orifice_work | riot: that's not on the root partition though right ? | 19:44 |
| riot | it is | 19:44 |
| disco_stu | orifice_work, jffs is compressed | 19:44 |
| riot | i think 256 is ok, if you put /usr somewhere else :) | 19:44 |
| riot | say, is there any ical (ics) compatible calendar app? | 19:45 |
| orifice_work | riot: gpe works great | 19:45 |
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| riot | orifice_work: with ical? Can it suck calendars off the net? | 19:45 |
| orifice_work | yep | 19:45 |
| orifice_work | the most recent releases have a subscribe mode | 19:45 |
| riot | hmm, must've missed that.. | 19:45 |
| riot | ah most recent... it got updated by the last upgrade | 19:46 |
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| riot | lol.. there is a package here, which is named "iptables-ext_1.3.6.0debian1-5ubuntu5osso4 ... wtf.. i mean seriously.... lol? | 19:47 |
| orifice_work | hmm. So /usr is on the root partition ? eek. I thought they were being installed to the internal storage. | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | riot, it was even worse with the chinook version of app manager... | 19:47 |
| orifice_work | can that be changed 'easily', i.e. without having to boot off external/internal storage | 19:48 |
| riot | qwerty12: you mean with chinook as release? Whats the app manager got to do with the repositories? | 19:48 |
| riot | orifice_work: i suppose so, but i am unsure about how that could be done. Iirc, theres a howto on maemo.org | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | riot, the chinook app manager had a bug where titles of apps were not visible if just one version string was long | 19:49 |
| johnx | orifice_work, you want /usr on the builtin 2GB storage? | 19:49 |
| riot | qwerty12: aah, ok.. i was more refering to the path of the package.. from debian to ubuntu to maemo finally.. uaah | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:50 |
| orifice_work | johnx: is that something that's generally done ? | 19:50 |
| riot | guess its because of the ubuntu-folks not giving patches back to the community.. | 19:50 |
| johnx | orifice_work, it's easier to boot from the internal 2GB card | 19:50 |
| orifice_work | johnx: ok cool. What is the flash used for then ? a fallback os ? | 19:51 |
| riot | johnx: but doesn't that involve installing a whole new Maemo?? | 19:51 |
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| johnx | riot, you clone the existing one into the 2GB storage | 19:51 |
| riot | johnx: ah, ok.. | 19:51 |
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| johnx | orifice_work, pretty much. you can use it as a working fallback or a rescue mode or keep different things installed in different places: ie experiment in one and keep the builtin flash working for day-to-day stuff | 19:52 |
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| orifice_work | is the performance between flash and internal storage comparable ? | 19:53 |
| johnx | the internal storage is just a soldered-on sd card. it's a little faster I believe. a fast sd card in the external slot would be faster still | 19:54 |
| riot | hmmm.. i could install debian on the 2 GB flash and keep maemo on the small one.. hmhmhmm | 19:54 |
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| johnx | been there, done that :) | 19:55 |
| johnx | if you want to do that, check out the deblet installer | 19:55 |
| riot | yeah, tried it, but my root-fs is too full to install ;) | 19:55 |
| riot | say, is debian useable on a tablet? Any disadvantages? | 19:56 |
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| johnx | the two big disadvantages: 1) poking a desktop GUI with a stylus or finger is a pain. 2) it's not designed to work well with the power savings in the n8x0 | 19:57 |
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| orifice_work | I heard ubuntu was working on a mobile based branch | 19:58 |
| riot | i have experienced 1) on my tablet-pc.. kde is just useable.. | 19:59 |
| riot | orifice_work: yeah, i read that, too. | 19:59 |
| orifice_work | are there any experimental builds for the n810 yet ? | 19:59 |
| johnx | orifice_work, yeah, it's an old version of maemo :) | 19:59 |
| orifice_work | johnx: haha | 19:59 |
| johnx | it's funny, but I'm not kidding | 19:59 |
| orifice_work | a lot of good that will do then .... | 19:59 |
| orifice_work | but it'll be multi-platform ... | 20:00 |
| johnx | they're doing things their own way. there's lots that can be shared between it and maemo | 20:00 |
| johnx | and yes, there is an armel build | 20:00 |
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| johnx | There are some people working on the "Mer" project. We're trying to make Nokia's latest Maemo UI work nicely on top of a minimal Ubuntu base, while still being cross platform | 20:02 |
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| GAN800 | Alright, Jaffa, looking at the questionnaire. | 20:08 |
| lardman | hmm, no mplayer changes in 5 months | 20:09 |
| lardman | hey GAN800 | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | Howdy, lardman. Lunchtime finally. :D | 20:11 |
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| * lardman has been asleep this arvo | 20:11 | |
| lardman | not feeling too hot | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, I think ssvb said he stopped on it | 20:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, shame | 20:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12: and a shame no-one else is picking it up at all | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | yeah :( | 20:12 |
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| lardman | he must have been disappointed :) | 20:12 |
| Vulcanis | Does anyone here know EasyDebian? | 20:12 |
| johnx | I've heard that mplayer itself is a pretty scary code-base. On the other hand it works really well as is | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | lardman/Jaffa, looks good to me. Tell Tim to send it out ASAP if there's consensus. | 20:13 |
| Meizirkki | Vulcanis: Surely :P | 20:14 |
| lardman | johnx: yes, I've heard likewise | 20:14 |
| Vulcanis | Meizirkki: Any idea how to add stuff to the hildon menu like the openoffice shortcut? | 20:14 |
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| orifice_work | open office on maemo ?? | 20:15 |
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| Vulcanis | orifice_work: through easydebian | 20:16 |
| Meizirkki | Vulcanis: you need to add .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 20:16 |
| Vulcanis | And what should go in that? I'm trying to make midori not require me to actually open lxde | 20:17 |
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| orifice_work | I figured open office would be a huge pig on maemo | 20:25 |
| orifice_work | hell, it's a pig on my desktop .... | 20:25 |
| Vulcanis | Anyway, brb in an hour | 20:26 |
| * GAN800 reads over EIPI's interview questions | 20:26 | |
| GAN800 | We really need to line up as many interviews for this guy as we can. He's good. . . . | 20:26 |
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| andre__ | oh, a new one? | 20:29 |
| andre__ | hmm. no. | 20:30 |
| GAN800 | He emailed me a set of questions | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | Hopefully I can find time to answer. :/ | 20:31 |
| andre__ | ah. cool. | 20:31 |
| andre__ | was the same here a few weeks ago :) | 20:31 |
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| achadwick | Hm. Can I prevent the Hildon menu from firing during a gtk widget grab? Alternatively, is there a quick way of greying out the entire Hildon menu? | 20:34 |
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| dystopia | are gecko security announces backported into maemo's gecko? | 20:36 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, i wonder if someone could hack the claws-mail interface to list mails using two lines rather then one... | 20:39 |
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| Ivanovic | hiho | 20:50 |
| Ivanovic | got a problem with inserting a value into a gtk (maemo) gui | 20:50 |
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| Ivanovic | http://pastebin.com/m5550fbcf | 20:51 |
| Ivanovic | in the case 'model' is initialised this way: static GtkTreeModel* model; | 20:52 |
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| Ivanovic | the prob is basically that the gui freezes, just the quit button still works | 20:52 |
| Ivanovic | the other thread (running in the background and calling the update) is working nicely | 20:53 |
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| solmumaha | Ivanovic: does it do that if you don't update it from a thread? | 20:55 |
| Ivanovic | solmumaha: the sole purpose of this widget is to be updated with the status of our buddylist | 20:56 |
| Ivanovic | so there is no way something like this could happen without the update | 20:56 |
| Ivanovic | the main problem is that the gui basically halts (as in the stuff just does not show anything anymore) | 20:56 |
| Ivanovic | even though both the gui thread and the "update thread" are still running | 20:57 |
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| solmumaha | yes, but are you calling the update from a thread? | 20:57 |
| Ivanovic | (at least the functions putting the data into the model ist still there) | 20:57 |
| Ivanovic | yes, i do call it from a thread | 20:57 |
| Ivanovic | and the debug output shows that it is called and correct data inserted | 20:57 |
| Ivanovic | what our program is basically doing is providing some (video)chat tool for adhoc networks | 20:58 |
| solmumaha | can you easily test if the update succeeds if you call it from the main thread? | 20:58 |
| solmumaha | gtk isn't really thread safe (from my experience) | 20:59 |
| Ivanovic | i don't understand what you mean with this | 20:59 |
| Ivanovic | heh, it clearly is not in this case | 20:59 |
| Ivanovic | in main() i just start the two (boost) threads and initialize the stuff so that both parts can communicate | 21:00 |
| Ivanovic | one thread is the gui | 21:00 |
| Ivanovic | the other some "worker thing" connecting to a DHT, getting values from there, putting some in, stuff like this | 21:00 |
| Ivanovic | it also regulary (every 15s) gets the list of people currently listed in the DHT (we use it for online/offline status in a messenger) | 21:01 |
| Ivanovic | this thread then just calls the update routine and uses the list we got as parameter | 21:01 |
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| solmumaha | well i think you should only update widgets from the gtk main loop | 21:02 |
| solmumaha | otherwise they may misbehave | 21:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | Where can i finad the app to set the cpu speed to max ond normal? I had it a while back but cant remember what it was called. N800 NIT here. | 21:03 |
| solmumaha | i'm not sure this is the case, but http://research.operationaldynamics.com/blogs/andrew/software/gnome-desktop/gtk-thread-awareness.html | 21:03 |
| lcuk | WorkingOnWise, :) liqbase does it | 21:04 |
| solmumaha | i got weird segfaults and total freezes if i updated widgets from a thread, especially if it was a modal dialog for example :p | 21:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, liqbase, advanced power or (as root) echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (ondemand instead of performance for normal ) | 21:05 |
| Ivanovic | solmumaha: yeah, bevaviour is really weird... | 21:06 |
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| Ivanovic | solmumaha: thanks for the link, this one might help | 21:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no thanks (to the annoyance of my family coming from an asian family) :P | 21:07 |
| WorkingOnWise | This hat 2 shortcuts, one for high or max, the other was low or normal or maybe on demand. Right in the extras menu qwerty12_N800 | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | heh qwerty, my mum was just making one and just stood in the kitchen was makin me sweat | 21:08 |
| solmumaha | try making the update call from the main loop, that should easily tell you if the threads are causing it | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lol | 21:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | WorkingOnWise, such shortcuts are provided by qole's easy-deb-chroot | 21:09 |
| WorkingOnWise | Ahhhhh... and i did not install that yet. Thanks qwerty12_N800 | 21:10 |
| lcuk | if i was gonna get a graphics card now for pc gaming, what should I get - im thinking nvidia 9600 ish as best bang for buck, but do ppl have other ideas | 21:12 |
| lcuk | (its for mummy) | 21:12 |
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| lardman | 8900 | 21:14 |
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| lardman | oh, what sort of gaming? | 21:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | doom | 21:15 |
| lcuk | general gaming at std monitor 1280*1024, not quite farcry but also not minesweeper | 21:15 |
| lardman | I played Doom with a pair of 7300s | 21:16 |
| lcuk | the 7600 i had was plenty for everything i throw at it so im just thinking better the devil and all that, the 96 is at about the right price | 21:16 |
| lardman | but 7900gtx is much better | 21:16 |
| lardman | I thought those midrange 9000 series were little more than a slightly more expensive 8000 series | 21:17 |
| lcuk | :D i mentioned overclocking her ati 1550 | 21:17 |
| lcuk | yeah, but all are lower priced | 21:17 |
| derf | The jump from 7xxx to 8xxx is _much_ larger than the jump from 8xxx to 9xxx. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | its only ~50quid anyway | 21:17 |
| lardman | though I don't really know, was looking at highish end stuff (and decided it wasn't worth upgrading my 7900gtx) | 21:17 |
| lcuk | agreed | 21:17 |
| lardman | derf: any thoughts on updgrades from my card? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | the 9x can run the cuda stuff and phys engine and stuff cant it | 21:17 |
| lardman | yeah, that's useful for work, will buy one of those next year | 21:18 |
| lcuk | lardman, get a pair of epsons in your desktop | 21:18 |
| lardman | lol | 21:18 |
| derf | lardman: I only care about GPGPU, so unless you're doing that, I'm probably the wrong person to ask. | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | gpgpu == better physics in games ;) | 21:19 |
| lardman | derf: that runs on nvidia or both? | 21:19 |
| derf | NVIDIA for now. | 21:19 |
| lardman | derf: I'm planning to do some of that next year | 21:19 |
| derf | I'm not holding my breath for the OpenCL stuff, though. | 21:19 |
| lardman | I was going to use the cdua matlab link stuff | 21:20 |
| WorkingOnWise | Is there a clean way to clone to and boot from the sd card on an n800 with 43-7? Pb's install tools deb doesnt like the n800 too well yet. | 21:20 |
| derf | CUDA has some problems, but as long as you aren't trying to build a real application, you can work with it. | 21:20 |
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| lardman | derf: ok, good to know | 21:20 |
| derf | Stuff like, constant memory is reserved for the lifetime of the application, but there's very little of it. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | derf, isnt it havent graphics cards got 1gb+ nowadays? | 21:21 |
| derf | So if you have two independent modules that both want to use constant memory, even if it's not at the same time... | 21:21 |
| derf | lcuk: Yes, but you can't get at most of that easily. | 21:22 |
| derf | A single read from main memory takes 400-600 cycles. | 21:22 |
| lardman | derf: not a big issue for me, I'm planning to run simulation code | 21:22 |
| lcuk | only if you try to use the cpu to do the reading | 21:22 |
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| derf | lcuk: No. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | the gpu can access its own memory MUCH faster - and thats the point isnt it | 21:22 |
| derf | It is not. | 21:23 |
| derf | The idea is that in that 400-600 cycles, you can read 2K of data distributed on 128 processors. | 21:23 |
| lcuk | yeah, thats why you are doing it | 21:24 |
| lcuk | you process lots of data at once | 21:24 |
| derf | But realistically, GPUs have maybe 2x-4x the memory bandwidth of a high-end PC. | 21:24 |
| derf | And they have 128 processors instead of 2 or 4. | 21:24 |
| lardman | hmm, 128 processors sounds ideal :) | 21:25 |
| derf | So the memory bandwidth _per_ _processor_ is very small. | 21:25 |
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| lardman | s/hmm/mmmmm | 21:25 |
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| derf | lardman: It's really only 64 but they multiplex different pipeline stages on even/odd clock cycles. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | but you are running in sequence and have your algo nice and organized and you can do the right kind of operations much faster than 2/4x the cpu equivilent | 21:25 |
| derf | lcuk: Yes. | 21:26 |
| lardman | derf: even that's better than 1 | 21:26 |
| derf | lcuk: Anyway, each "multiprocessor", which is 16 processors on the NVIDIA cards, has a small amount of several different types of local memory. | 21:26 |
| derf | And _that_ can be accessed in 4 cycles instead of 400. | 21:26 |
| derf | So that stuff is very, very precious. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | so the analogs to normal processors remains just scaled up nicely | 21:27 |
| lcuk | :) im used to the 256byte cache on my 68020 :) | 21:27 |
| derf | Well, it's more along the lines of 64k cache, shared among 16 processors. | 21:28 |
| derf | Which is only about 16 times better than your 68020. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | 64k is enough for everyone | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | better is relative ;) the less you use the further it goes | 21:29 |
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| StsN800 | evening | 21:37 |
| lardman | hi StsN800 | 21:37 |
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| t_s_o | ugh, i keep forgetting that reporting a bug do not make one vote on it automatically... | 21:39 |
| lardman | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/23/intel-buys-a-little-more-imagination-says-it-might-want-it-all/ | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | lardman, oooh | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | should i feel bad for wanting to rest and not code or hack or mess or anything | 21:45 |
| lardman | lol | 21:45 |
| StsN800 | lcuk, xmas food? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | no not yet, just feelin bleugh - im tireder today than normally and ive done less | 21:47 |
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| zakkm | hi, how do i fix Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 21:53 |
| zakkm | USB device found found at bus 005, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00 | 21:53 |
| zakkm | Error opening USB device: Unknown error: -1 | 21:53 |
| zakkm | flasher-2.0.macosx .. | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | grrrr murrayc_ \o/ you need to link the pdf somewhere on the contents page of the clutter docs ( thank you btw :) ), i couldv printed them today and only just found it | 22:15 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I think i'm brain dead. I cant find for the life of me how to enable ext3 at boot and then clone my nit to an ext3 partition on an sd card. Help! | 22:20 |
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| murrayc_ | lcuk: grrr, I have zero control over the clutter website. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | isnt openismus yours? | 22:22 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: Yes. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | and is this yours: http://www.openismus.com/documents/clutter_tutorial/0.8/docs/tutorial/html/index.html | 22:23 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: Yes. | 22:23 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: But htat's not the really the "clutter docs page". | 22:23 |
| lcuk | its YOUR clutter docs page :) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | maybe not the official ones | 22:24 |
| lcuk | anyway, im reading extensively :D | 22:24 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: Cool. We are working on a cluttermm version of that too. | 22:24 |
| lcuk | (btw, its yours that comes on top of google when i search for clutter tutorial ;) | 22:25 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: I'll think about adding PDF and HTML links to it, though it will make it less self-contained. I hoped to have it on the clutter website one day, though that seems increasingly unlikely. Having a link to one URL would make that harder. | 22:25 |
| murrayc_ | lcuk: Well, there is no other. | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | if i spot anything glaring I'll let you know | 22:26 |
| murrayc_ | Thanks. | 22:26 |
| lcuk | more than welcome, i didnt touch it until i had a device to test on | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | but its very much aligned with a core widget ive been trying to create inside liqbase than anything | 22:26 |
| lcuk | all ive gotta do is find a way to use it without ogl ;) | 22:27 |
| murrayc_ | I have realistic hopes of adding syntax highlighting to the various documents that I have with inline source code. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | seems reasonable, theres plenty of JS libs out there and tonnes of sites which offer it | 22:28 |
| murrayc_ | I think there is/was a cairo backend for clutter, but I can't imagine how that works instead of OpenGL. | 22:28 |
| murrayc_ | There's a helpful clutter irc channel somewhere or other. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | well ogl is only important for small aspects of it, if i limit the range of available actions it might be workable | 22:29 |
| lcuk | yeah ill get into that when i have a bit more knowledge i just wanna see how it all fits with what ive got here | 22:29 |
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| jakemaheu | good afternoon | 22:30 |
| jakemaheu | any news? | 22:31 |
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| Ivanovic | solmumaha: thanks, not it really works | 22:33 |
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| WorkingOnWise | How do i get ext3 on boot? OS2008 43-7 | 22:35 |
| andre__ | and "ext3 on boot" means...? | 22:36 |
| WorkingOnWise | To be able to read/write an ext3 partition on an sd card without having to load anything manually. | 22:39 |
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| WorkingOnWise | What do i have to do so i can read, write, and create ext3 partitions on my n800 with the latest os2008, and the update 43-7? | 22:44 |
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| zakkm | Workingonwise: run terminal? | 22:52 |
| WorkingOnWise | Huh? | 22:53 |
| zakkm | run fdisk in terminal | 22:53 |
| zakkm | to create partition | 22:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | How do get the ext3 file system avsilsble all the time? I cant seem to find the kernel modules to download them. | 22:54 |
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| WorkingOnWise | And cant find the info i used to walk me thru alll this last time i did it. | 22:55 |
| zakkm | theres ext3 support in the normal kernel? | 22:55 |
| zakkm | you make partition.. and mess with fstab to mount it? | 22:56 |
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| StsN800 | WorkingOnWise, look at penguinbait's console tools | 22:56 |
| r2d2rogers | how's it going StsN800 ? | 23:00 |
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| WorkingOnWise | zakkm: got booted. When i did this on os2007 i had to load ext3.ko, but i cant find where to download it now, or even where to put it if i do find it. | 23:06 |
| StsN800 | r2d2rogers, xmas rush so focused mostly on getting sdk going | 23:07 |
| zakkm | ext3 should be in diablo kernel? | 23:07 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: awesome | 23:07 |
| StsN800 | WorkingOnWise, look at penguinbait's console tools | 23:07 |
| zakkm | did penguinbait add it in his install-tools? | 23:07 |
| r2d2rogers | StsN800: I didn't plan on playingtoo much till next week or next year ;) | 23:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko | 23:07 |
| StsN800 | ext3 is in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules | 23:07 |
| StsN800 | .. what the child prodigy said | 23:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | StsN800: i did, but i had troubles with it on my 800. It doesnt like the keyboard poppin up over it when i hit a button. | 23:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | Unless he fixed it today.... | 23:09 |
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| WorkingOnWise | So does Diablo have ext3 support out-of-the-box? | 23:13 |
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| StsN800 | it has the ko | 23:14 |
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| BULLE | hmm, anyone here who hsa experience with connecting to the internet via a 3g phone ? | 23:15 |
| BULLE | i get it to work just fine, but the darn thing disconnects like every 5 minutes or so | 23:15 |
| BULLE | its very irritating | 23:15 |
| timelE61i | um "wfm" | 23:15 |
| StsN800 | as simple as a gprs one | 23:16 |
| timelE61i | And for sp3000 using my phone | 23:16 |
| BULLE | yeah, its the disconnecting that annoys me | 23:16 |
| timelE61i | What phone | 23:16 |
| BULLE | im pretty sure its the n810 that is the cause of it, and not the phone, as if i use the same phone, but via my laptop, it doesnt disconnect | 23:16 |
| BULLE | n82 | 23:16 |
| BULLE | nokia | 23:16 |
| BULLE | im woundering if i need to increase some timeout value somewhere, or enable some keep alive settings or something | 23:17 |
| BULLE | can i somehow see what commands the n810 is sending to the phone, when it initiates the connection ? i would just like to compare to the commands i use from vwdial on the laptop | 23:18 |
| BULLE | to rule out any differences in AT commands | 23:18 |
| timelE61i | Iirc it's in gconf | 23:19 |
| BULLE | oh, thanks, i think i installed some gui gconf editor, i should take a peak with it | 23:19 |
| BULLE | and see if i can find some numbers and fiddle around a bit | 23:19 |
| lcuk | does it DC if you start a large file downloading and let it come in | 23:20 |
| lcuk | ie not idling | 23:20 |
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| BULLE | would be nice to know if its a bluetooth problem or an umts problem, or how to characterize it, as the bluetooth icon goes dim | 23:20 |
| BULLE | lcuk: hmmm, havent dared to do that, as the cost for me of using the umts data is pretty darn steep | 23:20 |
| BULLE | lcuk: but i guess imight have to try that anyway | 23:20 |
| lcuk | it would let you know if its due to idling :) | 23:21 |
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| BULLE | lcuk: ye | 23:21 |
| lcuk | and much simpler than anything else | 23:21 |
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| BULLE | hmm, 1.5 euro per megabyte | 23:21 |
| BULLE | for like atleast 10 minutes | 23:21 |
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| timelE61i | Flat rate :) | 23:22 |
| BULLE | timelE61i: ye,guess thats an option to consider | 23:22 |
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| BULLE | not sure i can get flatrate with a prepaid umts simcard though | 23:23 |
| oli | i've got a superb transparency-fading-in/out-menus on my n800! | 23:23 |
| oli | installation is easier than getting root access! | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, 'twas me who compiled the xcompmgr ;) | 23:24 |
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| oli | qwerty12_N800: you're wrong ;) i took my n on a short walk outside and it got cold a little bit | 23:28 |
| oli | all cold LCD's got huge reaction time | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, hehe, maybe not. I get that effect quite a bit and the left side of my screen seems to be damaged (liqbase strokes on that side are way lighter :() | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, get involved: http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase | 23:33 |
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| * Stskeeps lights up a smoke and gets at coding a bloody testcase for the sapwood 100% problem | 23:34 | |
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| * lcuk passes Stskeeps a beer | 23:35 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I'll try and dream up some ideas :) | 23:35 |
| Tu13es | jakemaheu: ping | 23:35 |
| aquatix | lcuk: please let it do dishes | 23:36 |
| lcuk | add it to the list | 23:36 |
| aquatix | :) | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i cant promise you can do it with current hardware though | 23:36 |
| lcuk | nokia feature upgrade | 23:36 |
| aquatix | heheheh | 23:36 |
| aquatix | feature update 2 to the singularity | 23:36 |
| lcuk | * RX-51: added dish washing controls | 23:36 |
| lcuk | its tiem for me to vanish anyway | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i wanna go n stroke my screen for a bit | 23:38 |
| RST38h | * RX-51: By popular demand, added a huge deadly laser | 23:38 |
| lcuk | ahhh, so they solved the waterproofing problems | 23:39 |
| lcuk | they were having trouble with the sharkmount because of that | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/laser/shank and no water problems :p | 23:39 |
| Tu13es | what happens if i format the internal memory card? | 23:40 |
| Tu13es | nothing? | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the world ends | 23:40 |
| lcuk | implosion | 23:40 |
| Tu13es | OH NO | 23:40 |
| lcuk | damn ubuntu - i set it so it wouldnt ask for username password on login (cos im in tablet mode and dont want osk) and it logged in then the first thing it asked was my password for keyring \@/ | 23:41 |
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| `0660 | i have the same problem with network-manager | 23:48 |
| rm_you | roflcopter lcuk | 23:49 |
| lcuk | is there a button i can click that says "i want to connect to a windows xp network, please disable all security features" | 23:50 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:50 |
| lcuk | offs, now i rotate display and its ok with that, the screen works nicely - but the fluffin stylus is still the original way | 23:52 |
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| * lcuk needs to configure this a bit better | 23:52 | |
| * lcuk does old fashioned screen rotation | 23:52 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: yeah, security has to come from somewhere :) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i know, but people moan about the number of dialogs in vista | 23:55 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i get just as frustrated by being asked to enter password | 23:55 |
| aquatix | well, i prefer logging in once and then not getting asked again | 23:55 |
| aquatix | true | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i know its every 5 minutes by default, but thats more than i need in some situations | 23:55 |
| lcuk | "i am sat in my cosy warm safe home with no malicious apps running and no direct gateway to the internet, please loosen your collar juist a touch" | 23:56 |
| aquatix | :) | 23:56 |
| Tu13es | anyone installed NITdroid? | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | *crickets* | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *squash* | 23:59 |
| Tu13es | *sigh* | 23:59 |
| lcuk | ok you dont count | 23:59 |
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