| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: success, HIM gies me a working enter key | 00:01 |
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| r2d2rogers | but it only works for gtk apps right? | 00:01 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | but good we have working enter key :P | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | worked for address bar for midori, but not body of page... not coming up | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. its weird like that | 00:03 |
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| r2d2rogers | it's also not happy with sapwood not being present | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i really wonder why there's i386 targets in sb | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | and why it doesn't just make a pass-through to the targets only compilers | 00:15 |
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| bstock | hey any major difference between the first DIABLO os release and the latest DIABLO? | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | browser improvements | 00:30 |
| bstock | hmm | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lots of other things too, you don't gain by not updating | 00:30 |
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| bstock | is it possible to upgrade without having to reinstall all my apps? | 00:31 |
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| bstock | actually can i pull that update via the os's manager? | 00:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | that's the point of ssu, it should show as a update in app manager | 00:31 |
| bstock | ah ok cool | 00:31 |
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| bstock | hmm maybe i'm already running it then, how long ago was it released | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | been around a while now, version number is 36-5 | 00:33 |
| bstock | alright if it's delivered through the update manager i prob already have it, thought i'd have to install it via usb | 00:34 |
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| sp3000 | ooh, tablet porn. http://drkscrtlv.livejournal.com/301585.html | 01:24 |
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| * lardman wonders if the DSP compiler is very good | 01:40 | |
| lardman | mainly as when I add intrinsics it slows down the code :) | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | lardman intrinsics? | 01:44 |
| lardman | yeah DSP built-ins | 01:46 |
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| GAN8001 | lardman, what's the LCD part number? | 01:48 |
| lardman | GAN8001: ? | 01:49 |
| GAN8001 | lardman, A565AKM something | 01:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, dsp built in structs and functions? | 01:49 |
| GAN8001 | It's in that list I sent you. | 01:49 |
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| lardman | ah, hang on I'll take a look | 01:50 |
| * GAN8001 begins prodding lardman impatiently with a stick. :P | 01:50 | |
| lardman | sorry, I don't seem to have it here | 01:53 |
| * lardman wonders what happened to that email | 01:53 | |
| GAN8001 | lol | 01:53 |
| lardman | I can grep the source quickly though, hang on | 01:53 |
| GAN8001 | ACX565AKM | 01:54 |
| lardman | well I needn't have bothered then ;) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | pmsl | 01:57 |
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| GAN8001 | lardman, I forwarded it again. :P | 01:59 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, it's a matter of making other people do things for me. :P | 01:59 |
| lardman | GAN8001: thanks, I'm sure I just stowed it somewhere, really :) | 02:00 |
| GAN8001 | :P | 02:00 |
| lardman | :D | 02:00 |
| GuySoft | is there a way to do something like "checkinstall" .. i cross-compiled something and i want to put it in a deb package.. | 02:00 |
| lcuk | GAN8001, these are not the droids you want. | 02:00 |
| lardman | GuySoft: dpkg-buildpackage | 02:01 |
| lardman | or something like that | 02:01 |
| GuySoft | lardman, its not a packaged source.. | 02:01 |
| lardman | yeah, you need to create a /debian directory + contents | 02:02 |
| lcuk | lol lardman, you make it sound so easy :P | 02:02 |
| lardman | otherwise I think there's a python script that will package up some binaries | 02:02 |
| GuySoft | lardman, is there dh_make ? (shell is busy here) | 02:02 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, were is qwerty12 hey? | 02:02 |
| GuySoft | but what i really want is to get the "make install" command to layout the file tree.. | 02:03 |
| lcuk | lol yeah, guysoft, on the scratchbox thingy yeah, theres all the normal packaging tools, but on the device itself you are more limited | 02:03 |
| lardman | GuySoft: not sure, am not in SB atm | 02:03 |
| GuySoft | there is no command 'dh' BTW.. | 02:04 |
| GuySoft | lcuk, i am on scratchbox.. its just annoying to pakcage just for testing | 02:04 |
| lcuk | is it just one binary that can technically run from anywhere? | 02:05 |
| lcuk | ie if it was just copied to the device in some folder and ran would it work? | 02:06 |
| * GAN8001 needs more clones. | 02:08 | |
| * GAN8001 wants to be like Khertan | 02:08 | |
| StsN800 | gan900? | 02:08 |
| lcuk | GuySoft, boil this down: http://de.pastebin.ca/986570 it is what i used to use to "make/copy/execture/terminate" liqbase before i started developing directly on device | 02:09 |
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| GAN8001 | StsN800, oooh, if only. :DDD | 02:10 |
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| * lcuk got gps working btw | 02:11 | |
| GAN8001 | Hrm, no mention of a GPS in the kernel yet. | 02:11 |
| GAN8001 | Wonder if we're gonna get a better one. | 02:11 |
| GuySoft | lcuk, its a lib.. | 02:11 |
| lcuk | ..then adapt | 02:12 |
| GuySoft | lcuk, as a test, i thought i might try getting aalib to work :) | 02:12 |
| * lcuk wouldv started with helloworld | 02:12 | |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, if i would have wanted to print "hello world" i would have written a python script on the device :-\ | 02:13 |
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| * lardman started with vorbis, that was a mistake | 02:13 | |
| lardman | s/vorbis/tremor in fact | 02:14 |
| * lcuk deliberately kept away from starting anything until he had played with everything | 02:14 | |
| lcuk | ello ciroip_ | 02:14 |
| ciroip_ | yo lc | 02:14 |
| ciroip_ | how is going? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | meh, tired - but i just played a wicked driving game | 02:15 |
| lcuk | so realistic | 02:15 |
| lcuk | it felt like i was actually sliding off the road | 02:15 |
| lardman | coming home from work...? :) | 02:15 |
| lcuk | incidentally, the snow melted down here almost 2 weeks ago now - I BROUGHT SOME HOME FROM MY MISSION TONIGHT! | 02:16 |
| * lardman played many hours of Screamer Rally demo (time limited to 2min) with uni mates and beer | 02:16 | |
| ciroip_ | driving games... nearly only things I can still play | 02:16 |
| GAN8001 | Woo, Forza 2! | 02:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: down here, lol | 02:16 |
| lcuk | lol lardman, we used to play lotus turbo challenge | 02:16 |
| * GAN8001 is a drift maniac. | 02:16 | |
| * lardman is too, in his real car though | 02:17 | |
| GAN8001 | FWD. :( | 02:17 |
| * lcuk nearly drove into one | 02:17 | |
| GAN8001 | Though I do love tearing it up | 02:17 |
| lardman | likewise, lift-off oversteer | 02:17 |
| lcuk | tracy said "why are you taking a torch and blanket, you aren't going on a polar trek" | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i proved her wrong \@/ | 02:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: and signal mirror I hope! | 02:17 |
| lcuk | no, i took a whistle though | 02:18 |
| * lcuk will keep that stuff in car from now on :) | 02:18 | |
| lcuk | maemo has a bug - if i bootup with charger in it does screen blanking, but its set to stay lit when charging | 02:19 |
| lcuk | is it worth filing? | 02:19 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, I think it's already been filed. | 02:21 |
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| GAN8001 | May or may not help finding it if you search for bugs I've commented on. :P | 02:22 |
| StsN800 | with ohm coming itd be fixed in fremantle | 02:22 |
| lcuk | i always want to sit in the lotus position when i read ohm | 02:22 |
| lardman | ohmmmmmmmmm | 02:22 |
| lcuk | :D lister | 02:22 |
| lardman | and resist outside influences too? ;) | 02:23 |
| * lcuk lets it all flow to /dev/null | 02:24 | |
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| StsN800 | GAN800, im starting to have doubts on non-celluar | 02:32 |
| GuySoft | strange.. it works fine in scratchbox, but i got this error on the device. something to do with the X: http://pastebin.com/m7429f1ba | 02:33 |
| StsN800 | either that or it can act as handset for a phone | 02:33 |
| christendoc | Stskeeps: do you use maemo packages or clean hal or what to get battery info in deblet/mer? | 02:33 |
| StsN800 | normal hal plus hald-addon-bme from nokia | 02:34 |
| StsN800 | needs bme blob obviously | 02:34 |
| christendoc | can you get any info at all without hal? | 02:34 |
| christendoc | direct from bme blob? | 02:35 |
| GAN8001 | StsN800, waaay too early. | 02:35 |
| GAN8001 | I'd buy them testing it | 02:35 |
| StsN800 | christendoc, look at kcbatt source | 02:35 |
| GAN8001 | But there's no way they're shipping it this year. | 02:35 |
| StsN800 | mm | 02:36 |
| StsN800 | we'll see | 02:36 |
| StsN800 | mce celluar mode and libspeex is curious | 02:36 |
| StsN800 | but may just be handset stuff | 02:37 |
| christendoc | ok. I'm gonna work on getting initfs back in the loop as per earlier conversation and then hit kcbatt | 02:37 |
| christendoc | I'll probably have some 'no progress' time soon while I rebuild enough crossdev native to get a softfloat/eabi based system. | 02:38 |
| GuySoft | does anyone know why i got that error running aalib?: http://pastebin.com/m7429f1ba .. it might be really simple.. i am just not familiar with the maemo stuff .. and it works on scratchbox.. | 02:39 |
| GAN8001 | StsN800, I bet we'll know for sure by the beta | 02:41 |
| GAN8001 | It doesn't seem unreasonable for Harmattan, but things are way too rough for Fremantle (imnsho, anyway. ;)). | 02:42 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've got debugging data coming out when it's not supposed to | 02:49 |
| GAN8001 | Stupid 1024px fixed-width websites. | 02:49 |
| GAN8001 | It was working fine before, but they had to go and fuck it up and now they insist it's "better" | 02:49 |
| * GAN8001 doesn't get why it's necessary to dictate a width. | 02:50 | |
| GAN8001 | It's not hard to make websites at least a [i]little[/i] variable. | 02:50 |
| StsN800 | in my not so humble opinion? new one | 02:50 |
| GAN8001 | StsN800, I didn't invent it. | 02:50 |
| GAN8001 | (stupid BBCode) | 02:50 |
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| StsN800 | isnt it /something/ o | 02:53 |
| StsN800 | .. nm. going to bed. | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | 'night | 02:54 |
| lardman | hmm, ~6s of real time using the DSP and ~10s using the ARM, and yet there are still drop-outs | 03:00 |
| lardman | s/and/compared with | 03:00 |
| derf | It's not the average latency that matters, it's the max. | 03:00 |
| lardman | yeah | 03:00 |
| derf | Welcome to real-time programming. | 03:00 |
| lardman | :) | 03:01 |
| lardman | I'll have to work back though those patches and see what's broken it | 03:01 |
| derf | My favorite one was glibc's exp() on x86-64. | 03:01 |
| derf | It doesn't have an asm implementation. It's done in ANSI C. | 03:02 |
| derf | And to get the rounding right, for some inputs it will compute hundreds of digits of precision using their own custom multi-precision floating point library. | 03:02 |
| lardman | I've implemented a patch to sbc that was on the list, uses 32bit everywhere, which means no MAC, etc | 03:02 |
| derf | For added fun, expf() is slower than exp(). | 03:03 |
| lardman | bed time, far too late here | 03:03 |
| lardman | night all | 03:03 |
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| GAN8001 | So the LCD is a Sony | 03:24 |
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| christendoc | booting linux-omap with (hard coded) kernel cmd line pointing to initfs, I have a keyboard that enters random crap to the frame buffer rather than moving the bootmenu selection. Anybody run into this before? Know a fix? | 03:42 |
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| christendoc | guessing (and trying fix) it's OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE needs to be on ... | 03:48 |
| christendoc | nope | 03:51 |
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| dMaggot | hello guys, I'm trying to develop an applicaton using Esbox on Eclipse, but after creating a couple of files, when I try to build the project, nothing happens 'cuz the makefile doesn't include the new files | 07:48 |
| dMaggot | am I missing something on the autotools configuration in Eclipse?? | 07:48 |
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| Kl0r | have you guys tried liqbase, from the garage | 08:52 |
| Kl0r | its an amazing demo | 08:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | hello! | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:32 |
| johnx | hey Meiz_n810, Jaffa | 10:33 |
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| Meiz_n810 | johnx: can you jaiku what was the thing to add gtkrc to get the icons work? | 10:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'm using maemo's icons now, but anyway. | 10:34 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, I thought it wasn't needed anymore | 10:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | with plankton it's not needed, but other themes.. | 10:35 |
| rtyler | hopefully this won't get me booed out, but any suggestions on finding a good priced 810 to start with Maemo hackery? | 10:36 |
| glass_ | ebay? | 10:37 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, aaah, right, I'll look at it in a bit, but it should either be related to where plankton theme keeps its icons (under the theme folder itself) or icon-something in the gtkrc | 10:37 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, sorry, just catching back up right now | 10:37 |
| rtyler | glass_: not an ebay user unfortunately, not been a huge fan of their business practices :/ | 10:37 |
| glass_ | rtyler: expansys perhaps? (expansys-usa if in usa).. | 10:38 |
| glass_ | rtyler: yeah was just thinking that it would be the place for second hand n810's | 10:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: take your time. :) my hildon looks good with maemos icons:P | 10:38 |
| johnx | what theme are you trying to use? | 10:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | i use glasser | 10:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | with 8pt | 10:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | 9pt fomt | 10:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | font :P | 10:39 |
| johnx | huh, that's odd | 10:39 |
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| Meiz_n810 | saw scrshot-10 at trac.tspre.org/meiz? | 10:39 |
| johnx | rtyler, is an n800 an option? | 10:40 |
| rtyler | don't remember the difference between the two | 10:41 |
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| x29a | rtyler: amazon has good prices, at least here in germany | 10:42 |
| johnx | n810 = keyboard, gps, transflective screen, one microsd slot, n800 = no keyboard, two sd slots | 10:42 |
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| rtyler | oh that's a tough one | 10:43 |
| rtyler | johnx: why? you looking to donate an 800? :p | 10:43 |
| johnx | nah, the n800 is cheaper though | 10:43 |
| rtyler | righto | 10:43 |
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| rtyler | thanks for the tips guys, naptime | 10:46 |
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| lcuk | Kl0r, :) | 10:50 |
| johnx | hey lcuk | 10:50 |
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| Kl0r | oh ur here | 10:51 |
| Kl0r | i love your software man | 10:51 |
| Kl0r | i use it as the main ebook reader now | 10:51 |
| lcuk | heh :) im not here but yeah i do as well. back at 6pm | 10:53 |
| Kl0r | ok | 10:53 |
| Kl0r | bye | 10:53 |
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| johnx | hey StsN800 :) | 11:16 |
| StsN800 | lo johnx, how goees? | 11:16 |
| johnx | pretty good, just got back home today | 11:17 |
| johnx | sorry about missing the meeting on sunday, but I read the log, not much I'd add really | 11:17 |
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| mentalmonkey | is there a terminal available that allows for line editing using the thumb keyboard? | 11:18 |
| mentalmonkey | on diablo, I have an n800 | 11:19 |
| StsN800 | hehe, didn't miss much - agendas are definately something i should write up for next meeting. | 11:19 |
| StsN800 | did you see i got sb1 sdk (armel) going? | 11:19 |
| johnx | truly a labor of love O_o | 11:22 |
| johnx | mentalmonkey, that would be really nice, but I haven't seen one | 11:23 |
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| mentalmonkey | johnx: it must be painfully difficult to get this feature then, as it would make the n800 a far more useful tool, at least for me | 11:25 |
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| mentalmonkey | I wonder where the problem lies in achieving this feature | 11:28 |
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| StsN800 | johnx, sb1 was actually easier than sb2 | 11:36 |
| StsN800 | we're basically just making our way to a demo image people can entry to mer development with | 11:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:44 |
| StsN800 | so we're prolly just go about business as usual until then, johnx | 11:44 |
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| mentalmonkey | does easy debian have a better terminal than os2008. I realize this may not be the place to ask, but easily using terminal driven apps. on my n800 would really improve my performance I must ask. | 11:53 |
| mentalmonkey | ok I'm checking out the deblet project and leaving you all alone | 11:55 |
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| mentalmonkey | sorry if what I said previously was inflamatory I realize the dev.s here are working hard, but as a cli/tile window manager user the n800 is severely lacking in ways that I cannot easily understand, but I guess as I dig deeper I will begin to, best | 11:58 |
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| lardman | where's qwerty these days? | 12:00 |
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| StsN801 | and what a surprise mentalmonkey will have when deblet points him in here again | 12:01 |
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| mentalmonkey | oh I see deblet -> mer | 12:08 |
| lardman | StsN800: right you were :) | 12:12 |
| mentalmonkey | ah and mer seems just as interested as maemo/diablo in having most of the emphesis on graphics rather than terminal cli based programs, so no luck here for me | 12:12 |
| lardman | what do you actually want mentalmonkey? | 12:12 |
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| lardman | a different terminal app? | 12:12 |
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| mentalmonkey | I want a terminal that can edit the vertical line the cursor is with the thumb pad keyboard | 12:15 |
| mentalmonkey | s/is/is on | 12:15 |
| lardman | I see | 12:15 |
| lardman | and what is available in Debian that can do this? | 12:16 |
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| mentalmonkey | I am uncertain, but what I believe I know is that there is nothing in maemo that will allow this | 12:16 |
| lardman | I'm not sure Debian will be the answer to all your prayers though | 12:16 |
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| lardman | You may as well try modifying the existing xterm in Maemo | 12:17 |
| lardman | at least Maemo is finger-friendly | 12:17 |
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| mentalmonkey | lardman: there are much better programmers than me working on this project, but if this feature were implemented my n800 would be extremely useful to me | 12:18 |
| mentalmonkey | I will try perhaps then | 12:18 |
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| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: do you know the dbus-command to lock the screen and kb? I know it should not work but i would like to try. (because the app-switcher one worked..) | 12:19 |
| lardman | you may as well start, if others see what you're doing and it looks useful then perhaps they will also help | 12:19 |
| lardman | Meiz_n810: he's not online afaict | 12:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok, i might find it from powerlaunch source... :) | 12:20 |
| StsN801 | Meiz_n810, systemui handles that part | 12:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay | 12:20 |
| StsN801 | which would be powerlaunch | 12:20 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 12:20 |
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| Meiz_n810 | maybe i'll wait for powerlaunch :P | 12:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | it seems to not as easy as the app-switcher was. | 12:29 |
| StsN801 | app switcher? | 12:31 |
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| Meiz_n810 | app-switcher comes up with the home key | 12:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwert gave me dbus-command for that :P | 12:34 |
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| StsN801 | ah | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mentalmonkey: mer will have other DE's though. | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | not only hildon | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: rename of wiki page btw, jan 09, not 08 :P | 13:07 |
| * GAN8001 sighs @ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285 | 13:09 | |
| Stskeeps | oh, that bug | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | first thing to go away in Mer? ;) | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | or "Thanks for charging me" text instead? | 13:12 |
| RST38h | Anyone ever worked with SD cards on the low level? | 13:12 |
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| RST38h | Is "SD card config block" something that gets written during format or is it something that comes from a factory? | 13:13 |
| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, "Fuck NokiaFuck NokiaFuck Nokia" ;) | 13:13 |
| booiiing | hmm | 13:13 |
| johnx | "You really get me charged up!" | 13:13 |
| booiiing | does anyone know if the display-unit of the n800 is availble anywhere? | 13:13 |
| booiiing | because mine is kinda broken | 13:14 |
| johnx | the display or the touchscreen? | 13:14 |
| booiiing | it got a scratch - display is still ok, but touch-functionallity is broekn | 13:14 |
| booiiing | broken* | 13:14 |
| booiiing | i thought it was one unit? | 13:14 |
| booiiing | it seems to be exchangeable | 13:15 |
| booiiing | it's connected to the mainboard with a plug, not hardwired | 13:15 |
| booiiing | so i wondered if i could get a replacement unit for mine somewhere | 13:15 |
| GAN8001 | It is, but it's damn expensive | 13:15 |
| booiiing | meh :( | 13:15 |
| GAN8001 | Expect to pay at least $100 USD | 13:15 |
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| GAN8001 | You'd be better buying a new N800. | 13:16 |
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| booiiing | if i'm buying a new device anyway, i would buy an n810 | 13:16 |
| GAN8001 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Mer_Sprints/January_09&action=history | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN8001: ta | 13:18 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mm... only powerlaunch and something and i will use Mer all the time | 13:34 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have menu items to set up wlan for my home and school :P | 13:35 |
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| yerga | hehe, TV Out seems confirmed: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-commits/2008-December/012108.html | 13:37 |
| yerga | it would be really nice | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | " hardcoded UI strings for XMAS | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | " | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | wtf | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | but yes | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | and FM transmitter | 13:37 |
| johnx | hardcoded UI strings for xmas? eh? | 13:38 |
| johnx | ok, I read it but I don't get it | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i wondered that one too | 13:38 |
| johnx | is this some kind of code? or a new language? | 13:38 |
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| Meiz_n810 | apt-check runs automatically sometimes.... | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | XMAS is set for a new tanslation function. Which is not available in older versions. So that is backwards compat fix. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | That is what I get from reading the patch ;) | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | hcp_translate | 13:40 |
| GAN8001 | We need to find somebody who can talk to Sony OEM. | 13:40 |
| GAN8001 | 'course, that panel part number is actually one custom-made for Nokia and the tablet ninjas are gonna come busting through all of our front doors. | 13:41 |
| GAN8001 | Don't you love the things you can dig up from code drops? :D | 13:42 |
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| lardman | Same goes for Toshiba re the camera part number | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | but TV out <3 | 13:45 |
| johnx | tv out is full of win, yes | 13:45 |
| johnx | also: looking at the snapdragon...very interesting | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | and synchronization looks interesting too | 13:45 |
| lardman | what do you think should be faster?: 37 muls + 45 adds; 30 muls + 58 adds + 13 shifts? | 13:45 |
| lardman | johnx: yeah, is it open or just free to download? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: isn't adds and shift usually faster? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think that's what i got taught | 13:46 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:46 |
| lardman | but the first one seems to run faster | 13:46 |
| johnx | seadragon for the iphone maybe? though I'd love to download a new snapdragon CPU :) | 13:46 |
| lardman | no doubt got something to do with the code structure, etc | 13:46 |
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| johnx | we're running out of product codenames | 13:47 |
| lardman | johnx: ah sorry, i was thinking of that I guess | 13:47 |
| johnx | nah, it's ok, I only remember because I just read about both back to back | 13:48 |
| lardman | :) | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i just hope all the probing into source code releases won't make nokia think twice about releasing code early and working in the open | 13:49 |
| lardman | yeah, though I imagine for the most part they expected us to look | 13:49 |
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| GAN8001 | The list of requests for Nokia to fulfill hardware-wise is getting smaller and smaller | 13:49 |
| johnx | snapdragon is an armv7 chip running at ~1.5GHz for netbooks and that seems plenty interesting | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | except for the drool tray | 13:49 |
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| GAN8001 | Thing is, I _know_ none of those "I'll only buy it when it has x" people will buy | 13:50 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: so you want a wipe clean finish then? ;) | 13:50 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that's the little bevel around the screen? why is everyone looking at me like that? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:50 |
| johnx | GAN800, tv out and a full power usb host port certainly helped me justify pulling the trigger on the pandora | 13:50 |
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| lardman | johnx: you've given up on the Pandora then? | 13:51 |
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| johnx | pull the trigger as in order it :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | ah I see :) | 13:51 |
| johnx | I'm *sure* the n900 won't have a full sized, full power usb host | 13:51 |
| lardman | yes, that is a tempting feature, and even better is not having to pay until they are almost ready to ship | 13:52 |
| lardman | better compared to the previous Pandora pay now, no idea when you'll get it business that is | 13:53 |
| johnx | heh...well paid, got refunded, will pay again before it even helps my credit balance :/ | 13:53 |
| lardman | by cc? | 13:53 |
| johnx | my cc is ... special | 13:53 |
| housetier | shpeshul? | 13:54 |
| johnx | exactly | 13:54 |
| lardman | ? | 13:55 |
| johnx | well if I get my refund and spend the money in the same month what does it matter? | 13:55 |
| johnx | my card is kind of a line of credit thing | 13:55 |
| lardman | ah, I wasn't so much worried about the money, more having to pay and the n900 turning up before it does | 13:56 |
| * johnx is a stingy bastard | 13:57 | |
| GAN8001 | lardman, good thing Karel got out now, I'd hate to see the insanity he'd manage to build up if he stuck with them through Summer 2009 delays. :D | 13:59 |
| lardman | lol | 13:59 |
| johnx | wait, he got out? I missed it? | 13:59 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, apparently | 14:00 |
| johnx | sadness :( | 14:00 |
| GAN8001 | Had a post deleted by an admin over there. | 14:00 |
| lardman | I'm not so sure | 14:00 |
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| GAN8001 | I'm sure lardman has the link. :P | 14:00 |
| lardman | he was a bit anti, but then came back in favour | 14:00 |
| johnx | to see youth so disilusioned | 14:00 |
| lardman | links on that forum are closed and merged on an hourly basis | 14:00 |
| GAN8001 | I've come to the conclusion that the man is completely off his rocker. | 14:00 |
| GAN8001 | He gets [i]way[/i] too wrapped up in this stuff. | 14:00 |
| johnx | yeah, got to keep it at arms length | 14:01 |
| GAN8001 | Har, ARMs | 14:01 |
| johnx | I used to get wrapped up in zaurus stuff | 14:01 |
| johnx | gotta watch my blood pressure though :P | 14:01 |
| GAN8001 | johnx, that reminds me (lardman is useless and didn't have any input here :P), how did the Zaurus community deal with wiki documentation on multiple incompatible platforms? (I'm thinking Mistral, Bora, Fremantle, etc) | 14:02 |
| lardman | lol | 14:02 |
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| johnx | GAN800, wasn't much of a wiki cultuer there | 14:03 |
| lardman | I did tell you; we ignored anything old and told everyone to upgrade to the latest OpenZaurus | 14:03 |
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| GAN8001 | lardman, no, you told me _you_ ignored everything old. :P | 14:04 |
| * GAN8001 is OK with "Upgrade or GTFO", though. ;) | 14:04 | |
| Stskeeps | .. until it comes to diablo vs fremantle | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
| lardman | difficult for older hw mind you | 14:05 |
| johnx | GAN800, it's different when the new stuff is missing features/not quite ready | 14:05 |
| GAN8001 | What I mean is: Buy the new tablet or GTFO. :P | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | heheh | 14:08 |
| johnx | GAN800, buy the new tablet or give us a hand is fair IMHO :P | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i wonder how the devil to get a i386 target going in scratchbox.. so far i can only find toolchains that definately don't match our glibc | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | and i can't find a pass-through either | 14:10 |
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| GAN800 | I'm just wondering what the best way to handle incompatible documentation for several platforms within the same wiki. | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wouldn't be as bad if old platforms were still supported in some subset of the OS :P | 14:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: is it a requirement that I upgrade to your latest rootstrap? :P | 14:16 |
| lardman | ah ha, qwerty12 | 14:16 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: what can I say, business studies lession + supply teacher = free time :D | 14:17 |
| lardman | :) | 14:17 |
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| lardman | hasn't term ended yet? | 14:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ends for me in 3 days and then I get 2 weeks off :D | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: nah | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: maybe the need of libc6-dev as well | 14:18 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: good, good :) | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still struggling with i386 and pondering why the devil a chroot isnt good enough :P | 14:20 |
| qwerty12 | Forget i386, it's all about ARM now :P | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | mm, sadly not in my world :P | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | and having i386 will help developing :P | 14:21 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | (also, 50% of my working time on this disappears without a i386 port :P) | 14:22 |
| qwerty12 | had any luck with the pyinstall issue btw? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | no, i think it is simply the eabi thing. got a .deb for that one perhaps or doing it manually? | 14:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I just used http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html - I did last time manually, but when I installed it again, they provided a nice script :D | 14:26 |
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| qwerty12 | But it's based on an certain revision of qemu-arm-eabi, I'd like to try the patches against the head version some time | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | looks fairly simple to make a deb for | 14:27 |
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| qwerty12 | You can do it then, I've got to package the second version of the flip clock when I get home :) | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | right now im making a i386 image to boot on my work board :P | 14:30 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:44 |
| * lcuk is feeling festive | 14:45 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, how tough is it to get beagle bootstrapped, is it the sort of thing i could manage | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not that bad. need some cables | 14:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, can you do native building on there and have same binary run on mer on 810? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i could, but we have SDK now, which is loads faster.. and i had weird MMC problems | 14:49 |
| lcuk | still faster using scratchbox than a dedicate arm? | 14:50 |
| lcuk | d | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | way faster | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | mmm ok | 14:51 |
| lcuk | bollards! ive got glitter on my butty - its festive | 14:51 |
| lardman | you shouldn't put your makeup on before eating! | 14:53 |
| * GAN800 mumbles things about the Brits. :P | 14:54 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, its not makeup, but tracy is gonna be thinking ive been visiting those ladies of the mid-afternoon workday again | 15:05 |
| lardman | :) | 15:06 |
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| johnx | lcuk, the mid afternoon workday? like waitresses at restaurants that serve lunch? | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Are you familiar with SD casrd config blocks by any chance? | 15:18 |
| johnx | never messed with them | 15:19 |
| lcuk | heh johnx, yeah, but really chunky old ladies wearing tabards don't appeal to me :P :D | 15:19 |
| RST38h | eh... | 15:19 |
| johnx | in fact I've heard about things like "low level" format for SD cards but it doesn't make much sense to me | 15:19 |
| * lcuk needs to find better cafe | 15:19 | |
| RST38h | I have found a tool to low-level-format an sd card | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Not sure if it will help though | 15:20 |
| johnx | the main thing I'm missing is *how the hell does that work?* | 15:20 |
| johnx | is it something that only works in certain readers? | 15:21 |
| johnx | like would it work on a desktop usb connected sd card reader? | 15:21 |
| RST38h | I think it should | 15:23 |
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| RST38h | UNless the controller inside that reader specifically filters out service commands | 15:23 |
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| GAN8001 | Time to vote ;): https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3927 | 15:24 |
| johnx | so if you write some arbitrary sequence of bits to a certain offset it treats that as a service command? ok, think I'm gettint it now | 15:24 |
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| lardman | GAN8001: bloody Americans and their gas/coal/oil/uranium guzzling ways; can't you see Nokia are trying to singlehandedly stop global warming and the credit crunch and the rise of Russian power oligarchs? | 15:28 |
| GAN8001 | lardman, good luck to them. ;) | 15:28 |
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| lardman | hey etrunko | 15:32 |
| etrunko | lardman! | 15:33 |
| etrunko | :) | 15:33 |
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| lardman | argh, qwerty has gone again | 15:41 |
| lardman | anyone here with taxing music who uses a2dp? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | taxing? | 15:42 |
| lardman | as in it suffers when compressed | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not sure | 15:42 |
| lardman | though actually I think qwerty's is far better compressed | 15:42 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how hard it would be to put a2dp into pulseaudio? | 15:42 | |
| lardman | it's underway afaik | 15:42 |
| lardman | I saw some stuff on the bluez list when I was looking yesterday | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | sounds nice | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | all done on ARM i guess? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | (does openmax have a2dp/sbc?) | 15:43 |
| lardman | not sure quite how it's arranged, certainly gstreamer does | 15:44 |
| lardman | sbc will be done on the arm anyway | 15:45 |
| lardman | there is reference to sbc in there though: http://www.khronos.org/files/openmax_il_spec_1_1_2.pdf | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | The Royal Navy and BAE Systems plc were pleased as punch yesterday to announce that their implementation of Windows for Submarines is complete ahead of schedule. Windows boxes on Ethernet LANs are now in control of the UK's nuclear-propelled and nuclear-armed warship fleet. | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | deargod | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Now, can we PLEASE have that long overdue Armageddon? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i think it's moving in quite decently | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:54 |
| RST38h | BTW, something to ponder on: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Graphics_Acceleration_the_Price_of_Progress_Lets_hope_not.php | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, mmmm about graphics dropping, seems odd | 16:02 |
| lcuk | but im not here now ;) | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | prolly symbian fucking about | 16:02 |
| lcuk | anyone would think they have installed vistai n hte background ;) "the price of progress" :P | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Did you see Kate's latest video where she runs google gadgets on the N810? | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FU0A64mhyM | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | HD video even ;) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | What is the CPU in N96 and N79? | 16:06 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No matter how "hd" it is, still looks like a really shitty youtube video =) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | i had almost forgotten how finnish(?) accents sound like :P | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, but now you get a few more pixels ;) | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | http://google-gadgets.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Can I please get less, but more detailed ones? =) | 16:07 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: there is something weird about these gadgets: they all use opaque background for some reason | 16:08 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me must get some headphones for the pc | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Probably because transparancy hasn't been implemented yet. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No compositing or something like that? | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Or these gadgets require opaque background | 16:13 |
| * RST38h never used Google gadgets | 16:13 | |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if he can get mer up on a tv screen today | 16:23 | |
| RST38h | Why? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, part of my job :P | 16:24 |
| RST38h | But why TV? | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | we're doing some interfaces with regards to healthcare, so | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | it may not be hildon, but some of the principles are useful in tv interfaces | 16:26 |
| RST38h | ah... | 16:26 |
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| Stskeeps | such as widgets and so on | 16:34 |
| GAN800 | RST36h, N96 is a dual ARM9 deal. | 16:43 |
| GAN800 | In the ballpark of 250MHz a piece. | 16:43 |
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| ShadowJK_ | RST38h, I think I'd trust ethernet more than firewire they use in fighter jets :P | 16:44 |
| * ShadowJK_ vaguely remembers when ISS was new the astronauts were complaining that the WLAN never worked | 16:45 | |
| aquatix | eh? i thought they just recently got wifi there? | 16:46 |
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| ShadowJK_ | iirc they started with it pretty early | 16:49 |
| AStorm | hello... | 16:49 |
| AStorm | my canola and mediaplayer broke somehow | 16:49 |
| AStorm | they seem to be playing, but I get no sound | 16:50 |
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| AStorm | mplayer -ao esd works fine | 16:50 |
| aquatix | (put on the volume? :) | 16:50 |
| AStorm | so do system sounds | 16:50 |
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| aquatix | ah | 16:50 |
| AStorm | aquatix, no, I'm not stupid, thank you for caring :M | 16:50 |
| aquatix | doesn't the mediaplayer have its own volume control? | 16:50 |
| aquatix | try the -/+ buttons | 16:50 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 16:50 |
| AStorm | oh, yes, wait | 16:50 |
| AStorm | canola does too | 16:50 |
| * aquatix likes making stupid remarks now and then, especially when it's nearing 4PM | 16:51 | |
| AStorm | canola's is at about 1/w | 16:51 |
| AStorm | 1/w | 16:51 |
| aquatix | hm | 16:51 |
| AStorm | gah, 1/2 | 16:51 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 16:51 |
| AStorm | ok.gotcha | 16:52 |
| AStorm | canola does rely on mediaplayer's volume | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | Does anybody know if it is possible to check (say in debian/rules) whether the program is being built in Diablo or Chinook? | 16:52 |
| AStorm | and doesn't set it | 16:52 |
| AStorm | a *bug* | 16:52 |
| aquatix | AStorm: ah | 16:52 |
| AStorm | where do I report it? | 16:52 |
| aquatix | i think with canola | 16:52 |
| aquatix | they should have a bugtracking thing on their site | 16:52 |
| AStorm | so, where? | 16:52 |
| AStorm | mhm | 16:53 |
| GAN800 | bugs.maemo.org | 16:53 |
| aquatix | http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/feedback.html links to the maemo bugtracker | 16:53 |
| AStorm | btw, how do I change its decoding engine to mplayer's? | 16:53 |
| aquatix | i think by just installing mplayer | 16:54 |
| AStorm | (which uses less cpu apparently) | 16:54 |
| aquatix | but maybe that only works for video | 16:54 |
| GAN800 | ^ | 16:54 |
| AStorm | no | 16:54 |
| AStorm | it uses it for video | 16:54 |
| GAN800 | Install mplayer | 16:54 |
| AStorm | I want to change the audio decoder | 16:54 |
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| `Mace | yawn | 16:55 |
| AStorm | is there a way? | 16:55 |
| AStorm | esp. a way to get gapless playback | 16:55 |
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| AStorm | (which is very hard with gstreamer) | 16:56 |
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| `Mace | gapless playback? | 16:56 |
| `Mace | use mplayer | 16:56 |
| GAN800 | AStorm -> #canola ;) | 16:56 |
| `Mace | or re-encode the video | 16:57 |
| AStorm | GAN800, €70 | 16:57 |
| AStorm | yup that is | 16:57 |
| AStorm | `Mace, no, for audio | 16:57 |
| AStorm | Idc about video | 16:57 |
| `Mace | re-encode the audio then | 16:57 |
| AStorm | it's encoded fine | 16:57 |
| `Mace | obviously not if it's not playing | 16:58 |
| AStorm | you don't get what gapless means | 16:58 |
| AStorm | not skipless | 16:58 |
| AStorm | gapless means there's no gap between tracks | 16:58 |
| `Mace | use xmms | 16:58 |
| GAN8001 | gapless isn't possible with the DSP, apparently. | 16:58 |
| AStorm | why? | 16:59 |
| `Mace | or just merge the tracks into one file | 16:59 |
| AStorm | just throw it frames from next piece? | 16:59 |
| `Mace | but i'm pretty sure xmms will do it | 16:59 |
| AStorm | `0660, | 16:59 |
| AStorm | meh | 16:59 |
| AStorm | `Mace, xmms is pointless, broken and unusable | 16:59 |
| AStorm | esp. on tablet | 16:59 |
| `Mace | uhm | 16:59 |
| `Mace | works fine on mine | 16:59 |
| AStorm | ui sucks | 17:00 |
| `Mace | wtf? | 17:00 |
| `Mace | what kind of ui do you need for audio? | 17:00 |
| AStorm | touchscreen | 17:00 |
| `Mace | open... next track.. play pause prev track | 17:00 |
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| AStorm | :> | 17:00 |
| AStorm | try to touch-operate xmms | 17:00 |
| `Mace | er... use your stylus.. and if you're so concerned about gapless track | 17:00 |
| AStorm | also, media library is nice | 17:00 |
| `Mace | then ti shouldn't matter | 17:00 |
| AStorm | not *so* concerned | 17:00 |
| `Mace | because you are trying to listen to a whole cd anyways | 17:00 |
| AStorm | I just want it :) | 17:01 |
| * lardman wonders what the deal is with conflicting libdb and libxml stopping an Operating system upgrade | 17:01 | |
| `Mace | which i'm guessing is either techno or mix type stuff | 17:01 |
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| AStorm | lardman, my thoughts exactly | 17:01 |
| `Mace | where you would actually notice the gap | 17:01 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, there's a bug, I can't be bothered to spend more than 2 searches trying to find it. | 17:01 |
| GAN8001 | May also be more details on -developers | 17:01 |
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| AStorm | mhm | 17:01 |
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| `Mace | you can always double size xmms | 17:01 |
| AStorm | ah, I know what would it be | 17:02 |
| GAN8001 | Then it just becomes horrifyingly ugly (not that it didn't start that way( | 17:02 |
| AStorm | they have problem uploading new huffmann codebook | 17:02 |
| AStorm | should be possible to work it around by keeping two codebooks | 17:03 |
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| * AStorm needs to get more into this dsp some day | 17:03 | |
| GAN8001 | Wait until OMAP3 | 17:03 |
| AStorm | yeah, I'll buy it | 17:04 |
| AStorm | but asm is similar | 17:04 |
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| AStorm | brb | 17:04 |
| GAN8001 | The DSP setup now is slightly Nokia-centric | 17:04 |
| GAN8001 | OMAP3's setup is going to be much more generally applicable. | 17:04 |
| lardman | AStorm: give me a shout whenever re DSP | 17:04 |
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| AStorm | yes, maybe in next year :) | 17:05 |
| AStorm | brb | 17:05 |
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| fiferboy | Does anyone else develop for Maemo in a virtual machine? | 17:12 |
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| GAN8001 | Lots of people. | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | I'm wondering what virtual machine software/distro combo people use | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | I'm using Virtualbox and openSUSE right now, but I have tried VMWare and Kubuntu before | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ works for me. | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | But I don't do any real devel ;) | 17:15 |
| fiferboy | I was using that for a time too. Very simple to get started with, but in the end I preferred rolling my own | 17:16 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade's uh phoney. :P | 17:16 |
| fiferboy | I admit my development has been someone hampered lately by switching distros frequently | 17:16 |
| fiferboy | s/someone/somewhat | 17:17 |
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| fiferboy | compiling wesnoth in a virtual machine is REALLY slow | 17:17 |
| fiferboy | It takes about 20 minutes to diff the 174 MB source file, then another ~30 or so to build | 17:21 |
| fiferboy | Does anyone know if it is possible to detect (say in debian/rules) whether the program is building for Diablo or Chinook? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: But do you really want to do that ;) | 17:22 |
| RST38h | You have got a single 174MB source file??? | 17:22 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Yes, for wesnoth | 17:22 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, dont switch distros then, use the one true system and build in maemo. as an example of how versatile it is, i started building QT directly on my box. i should be finished by about 4pm (on sunday 13rd April 2193) | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: The developer can specify it in debian/changelog for instance. | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: But nobody ever does. | 17:22 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: I don't want to , but Diablo and Chinook store their dejavu fonts in different plaes :( | 17:22 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: What is it? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: No fontconfig available? | 17:23 |
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| fiferboy | Well, as I understand it someone built dejavu-ttf for Diablo, but it puts the fonts into a different directory | 17:24 |
| fiferboy | In wesnoth I need to link to those fonts, so I need to know where they are | 17:24 |
| fiferboy | Does fontconfig tell me the location? | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg -L dejavu-ttf | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: Maybe check how http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wesnoth/ did this? | 17:25 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: What is the output of that command? | 17:25 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: that build only works for chinook because of the font link | 17:25 |
| fiferboy | You have to re-link it if you install for Diablo. | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Ah.. | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | I am working with Glen, the author of that version | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, I wouldn't be able to tell you as I don't have the font installed, but if dejavu-ttf is installed, running that tells you all the files in the package | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | I don't either, and I can't check in sb because of the huge build going on! | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: So I should be able to grep it for the font I want and it will give me a full path | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy, yep | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | That just might work, I will look into it after my build | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | But I will have to add dejavu-ttf as a build-time requirement now to get that location | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | No biggie | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | Thanks again, Faheem. | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | Always helping me out | 17:29 |
| relaxis | ~mer | 17:29 |
| infobot | well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I'm forever indebted to you fiferboy for the Transmission patch :) | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | Ha, a couple of lines of code | 17:30 |
| fiferboy | But I'll take your indentured service | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 17:30 |
| fiferboy | BBIAB (hopefully after my build finished cleanly) | 17:30 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: Works beautifully! | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant! | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | You just eliminated one of my remaining obstacles. Hopefully I have removed the last one to at least let my push it to extras-devel | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | Wicked, I'll have to try Wesnoth when I see it :) | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | Hopefully that will be soon. | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | It does run quite well. I'm just not sure music is going to make it into this version | 17:42 |
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| aquatix | about wesnoth: it basically requires me to not install anything else or install maemo on an SD | 17:43 |
| aquatix | how do you guys manage? | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | doesnt it just ask where to put data files? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | I always have mpd running anyway so I never listen to in game music | 17:43 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: don't know, haven't tried yet | 17:44 |
| aquatix | as it looked to big to install :) | 17:44 |
| * aquatix installs wesnoth on his laptop now | 17:44 | |
| * Stskeeps will probably spend way too much time on beneath a steel sky. | 17:44 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Sometimes, if a game really is too big to install, I download the deb on the computer and move the data files to a memory card and then remove the data from the deb and install the deb and symlink manually | 17:45 |
| aquatix | ooh, cyberpunk | 17:45 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: ah yeah :) | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | aquatix: If you don't install music it isn't quite so bad | 17:45 |
| GAN800 | Wesnoth is gonna fly on the next tablet. | 17:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: That is exactly what should not happen :) | 17:46 |
| aquatix | GAN800: \o/ | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, indeed, but if needs must... | 17:46 |
| aquatix | RST38h: maybe debconf can ask where to install music and other data | 17:46 |
| RST38h | it should | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, we have fakedebconf in diablo... | 17:46 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Currently it doesn't ask the user (although it could) but because a lot of the data file are symbolic links, I don't think it will work on a fat formatted ard... | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:47 |
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| aquatix | hm | 17:48 |
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| fiferboy | I'll let you know how much room a minimum install takes once I finish building | 17:49 |
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| aquatix | aight :) | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | hi lardman | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | ~curse intel board | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | s | 17:52 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, intel board ! | 17:52 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12 | 17:52 |
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| relaxis | ~mer | 17:54 |
| infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you got those urls before :P | 17:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: what's the newest architecture stuff for Mer? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: sorry? | 17:55 |
| r2d2rogers | is the Mer_blueprint the New one now? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | oh, no, _New is still the newest | 17:56 |
| r2d2rogers | I know you had a different page there for a bit | 17:56 |
| r2d2rogers | ahha | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | i need to write them together | 17:56 |
| r2d2rogers | relaxis: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New | 17:56 |
| r2d2rogers | good deal | 17:56 |
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| r2d2rogers | just wanting to help out a fellow 770 owner | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | infobot: no, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 17:56 |
| infobot | okay, Stskeeps | 17:56 |
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| relaxis | any chance some tutorials might be posted for the ~mer SDK? I'm looking to cross compile a distro for n770 in linux from scratch and then use mer to finish off the GUI etc... | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | which kind of distro? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | and be aware there's a lot of deb-ish things in hildon :P | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | you probably want to look into scratchbox | 18:03 |
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| relaxis | i'm going to try and write a debian-based distro (for compatability with pentesting tools) | 18:04 |
| relaxis | scratchbox? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | and ubuntu arm isn't good enough for that? :) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | you can quite easily strip mer down to minimal ubuntu, if that's what you want | 18:05 |
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| relaxis | well, whatever works - i was told that GUI building for handhelds is easier in mer | 18:05 |
| r2d2rogers | not so much easier, as you don't have to build the base first ... | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically a minimal ubuntu with hildon + X swapped on top :P | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | slapped | 18:06 |
| relaxis | ok, and are there any tutorials available? i'm still very much in the progressing-learner stage and i need to educate myself a little | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, do you want to run ubuntu on your 770, or cross-compile, or both? :P | 18:09 |
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| r2d2rogers | I still wish I knew why sapwood-server eats up CPU on the 770 | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | mm, strace it? | 18:12 |
| r2d2rogers | will try | 18:12 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm happy to have the netowkr working in usb at least | 18:13 |
| [1]Kl0r | where in windows , or linux, windows wouldnt work no matter how hard i tried | 18:13 |
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| AStorm | Stskeeps, how was the kickstart meeting? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: was alright, but i learned my lesson about the principle of lacking agendas leading to chaos ;) | 18:16 |
| AStorm | yes, every meeting needs one | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and that we need a demo image for people to get things kickstarted, which is fair | 18:17 |
| AStorm | :> | 18:18 |
| AStorm | exactly | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | but that's not that difficult to provide :P now we have sdk, a standard bare image, and such, so | 18:19 |
| AStorm | and you need a good guide to making debian packages too | 18:19 |
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| AStorm | s/debian/mer/ | 18:19 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: and you need a good guide to making mer packages too | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it'll be similar to maemo devel towards extras | 18:19 |
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| r2d2rogers | could someone with a N8x0 check for a file /etc/ld.so.nohwcap and tell me if it exists and what is in it? | 18:33 |
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| [1]Kl0r | like go on root and check for it? | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | r2d2rogers, not on a N800 with diablo | 18:33 |
| [1]Kl0r | 1sec | 18:33 |
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| r2d2rogers | qwerty12: thanks | 18:34 |
| r2d2rogers | [1]Kl0r: right. | 18:34 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm trying to determine why sapwood-server doesn't like mer on my 770 | 18:34 |
| r2d2rogers | OS2008HE didn't have the file either | 18:35 |
| [1]Kl0r | oooh you got a 770 | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | one to use and one to play with <G> | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | hope soon, both to use Mer on | 18:35 |
| [1]Kl0r | is it a pain to run apps? | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | in general or on Mer? | 18:35 |
| r2d2rogers | in general it's fine, I can't use some of the more interesting ones, but terminal is tweaked nice, and I use the heck out of FBreader | 18:36 |
| r2d2rogers | on Mer I only have network with USB so I haven't carried it around booted to Mer much | 18:37 |
| r2d2rogers | there's UI stuff to finish cleaning up after I get teh inputs and networking up to speed | 18:37 |
| r2d2rogers | but it seems just as responsive as maemo on the 770 | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | true, but we havent started loading stuff on it yet :P | 18:39 |
| r2d2rogers | right ;) | 18:40 |
| r2d2rogers | looks like that file is normal to have missing BTW | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think it disables hwcacp | 18:40 |
| r2d2rogers | it's a flag file for looking for hardware optimized version sof system libraried | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | we'll use that on n8x0 probably on some libraries | 18:41 |
| r2d2rogers | we might have fun with that later | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | mm. nothing better than to look for scientific papers when you're hungry and tired | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_sA1OQ_eUw | 18:48 |
| RST38h | Ho ho ho! | 18:48 |
| t_s_o | hrmf, a 3% drop i battery pr hour for something thats sitting idle seems a bit much... | 18:49 |
| [2]Kl0r | yes it is much | 18:50 |
| t_s_o | ugh, whats starting metalayer-crawler all the time? i have it turned of on boot, but i keep finding it in the processes list... | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | t_s_o, it's removed from both rc2.d & rc5.d right? | 18:51 |
| t_s_o | shit if i know, i used the services program in control panel :P | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, it should be removed as it uses update-rc.d but I don't trust it when it comes to adding stuff back... | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | I just go into the rc2.d/rc5.d folders manually and "mv S**whatever D**whatever" | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Not the most elegant way but I know I'm able to do a simple mv D**whatever S**whatever without any problems | 18:54 |
| cyrus__ | Anyone here using Nitdroid? Can anyone explain to me why it boots up when I plug in the charger? Is it still charging? | 18:54 |
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| t_s_o | qwerty12: i usually find myself without a keyboard when im using my N800... | 18:54 |
| r2d2rogers | qwerty12: what's K again? I think I just moved the metalayer-crawler from S to K | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, I'm *always* using the on screen keyboard | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | r2d2rogers, Not sure but I'm pretty sure K is accepted as a valid thing for init to startup | 18:55 |
| t_s_o | *shudder* | 18:55 |
| t_s_o | typing commandlines with that... | 18:56 |
| r2d2rogers | oop | 18:56 |
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| AStorm | cyrus__, by default, plugging in the charger starts up the machine | 18:56 |
| AStorm | with proper boot reason | 18:56 |
| AStorm | (read by initfs) | 18:56 |
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| * r2d2rogers goes to fix his metalayer-crawler fixing | 18:56 | |
| AStorm | so that the charging image can be shown | 18:56 |
| t_s_o | nothing about metalayer in either rc dir... | 18:57 |
| AStorm | yes, it probably is charging | 18:57 |
| t_s_o | nothing about metalayer-crawler under etc, yet it keeps coming back from the dead... | 18:59 |
| AStorm | canola and mediaplayer will start it | 18:59 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i see a mediaplayer-engine... | 19:00 |
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| AStorm | :P | 19:00 |
| AStorm | no, you want that | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | "The Role of Instant Messaging on Task Performance and Level of Arousal | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | " | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | eh. | 19:01 |
| AStorm | esp. the last part... | 19:01 |
| mikkov_ | wtf, I can leave only one comment per application in downloads? | 19:01 |
| AStorm | what kind of arousal? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i was kinda curious about that too | 19:02 |
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| t_s_o | well, it stayed down after a quick reboot... | 19:06 |
| t_s_o | it also seems like i had a runaway python... | 19:06 |
| t_s_o | freakin snakes... | 19:06 |
| relaxis | stskeeps, sorry, i got disconnected before i could get a reply | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | relaxis: well i was more wondering what your goals are - your own small ubuntu with blackbox and a on screen keyboard and a terminal? :P | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | with possibility to simply apt-get tools | 19:10 |
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| relaxis | well - i'll start off by saying that i'm looking to create a linux os for the nokia 770 that has all the packages, drivers and applications necessary to run pentesting tools (which i shall include in the OS distribution) and automate execution of the programs using scripts linked to the touchscreen interface | 19:12 |
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| relaxis | currently i'm using ubuntu linux and the packages recommended for cross compiling from LFS and am curently installing maemo sdk | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | fine, make your life easier and base off ubuntu arm and our additional scripts to make stuff work :P | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | much easier | 19:13 |
| relaxis | ubuntu arm ... is that an sdk? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu is being ported to arm, all of it :P | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | don't think 770 as an embedded device, think of it as a really tiny laptop :P | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | / mobile device | 19:14 |
| t_s_o | i wish nokia did so to... | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | it runs OS'es like everything else, and general-purpose ones :P | 19:14 |
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| t_s_o | still, snapdragon seems to head for netbooks. and ubuntu will make the perfect companion there | 19:14 |
| relaxis | ok. so ideally i would install ubuntu arm to the nokia 770 and then...? (i know i'm irritatingly ignorant - apologies) | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | relaxis: and then you build your tools on the device or cross-compile using scratchbox.. | 19:15 |
| t_s_o | but then thinking about netbooks like gpc may be a bit of a stretch... | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | install some desktop environment that fits you, set up scripts, .., PROFIT | 19:15 |
| relaxis | ok, is there any documentation available that would talk me through doing that? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i think r2d2rogers has our imager scripts for 770 | 19:17 |
| relaxis | awesome thanks | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | but hint: it's not directly trivial and just like flashing an image onto the tablets :P | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | +not | 19:19 |
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| relaxis | thank you very much for your help | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i'm off downtown to get some kind of meal | 19:20 |
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| relaxis | hero burgers! they're the best! | 19:21 |
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| GAN8001 | Nice, Road Runner seems to have forgotten I opted out of their idiotic "non-existing domain landing" service. . . . | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Your isp, by default, hijacks sites that can't be resolved to their own site? | 19:42 |
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| AStorm | mine former did that too | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Wow, sucks. | 19:44 |
| AStorm | fix it with your own caching dns proxy | 19:44 |
| AStorm | or hosts file | 19:44 |
| AStorm | :) | 19:44 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12, yeah, but I opted out years ago. | 19:44 |
| GAN8001 | Seems to have forgotten | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | :/ | 19:44 |
| AStorm | maybe there is now no opt-out? :P | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: i think johnx actually had similar problems to you | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | with sapwood acting up | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | on zaurus | 20:13 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, modest is driving me nuts. it seems to start in the background at random intervals for no apparent reason other then sit there... | 20:15 |
| t_s_o | and no, the automatic mail check is off... | 20:16 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: well that's nice to know at least, I'm having a hard time finding out much about sapwood online. | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | t_s_o, thankfully, I don't have modest running here but it's not hard to stop alarmd from automatically running it.. | 20:21 |
| t_s_o | what, kill alarmd? ;) | 20:22 |
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| qwerty12 | no, i tend not to be that drastic ;) | 20:22 |
| t_s_o | well i dont have intimate knowledge of the workings of alarmd, so... | 20:23 |
| t_s_o | hmm, if modest have been set to start every 5 min, do that mean :05, :10, :15 and so on? | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | I had no knowledge but in the matter of a minute, I've learnt quite a bit more :P. Install alarmtool from : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/alarmtool_0.5.20_armel.deb and open the file /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml and find the modest section. Find the line that begins with "<parameter name="cookie" type="long">9" and corresponds to modest and just run alarmtool -r <the modest cookie number> | 20:25 |
| t_s_o | seems i basically dont know where to look for info then... | 20:26 |
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| t_s_o | last time i tried to poke around maemo.org for info on something, i found anything but... | 20:26 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 20:34 |
| thopiekar | can someone please tell me how to use apt in sb2? | 20:35 |
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| thopiekar | using apt in scratchbox 1 was quite easy.. just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade... and in scratchbox 2 there I have just user permissions and sudo apt-get fails with | 20:38 |
| thopiekar | ... | 20:39 |
| thopiekar | sudo: must be setuid root | 20:39 |
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| mouser- | Does anyone here have experience with the BoxWave screen protectors? | 20:44 |
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| GAN800 | mouser-, I can nothing but recommend the Anti Glare | 20:46 |
| mouser- | You recommend the anti-glare? | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | mouser-, I wrote a screen protector article on the wiki you might want to look at. | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | Yes. | 20:47 |
| mouser- | GAN800, I bought the crystal one as I have an n810. | 20:47 |
| mouser- | I have found it next to impossible to apply. | 20:48 |
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| GAN8001 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Screen_protector | 20:49 |
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| * RST38h agrees with mouser | 20:53 | |
| RST38h | It is basically not possible to apply it without any bubbles or dust at the corners | 20:53 |
| GAN8001 | Meh, it's not that hard. | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | Not on the N800 anyway | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | Dunno about the N810 | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Ah, N800... | 20:54 |
| RST38h | N810 is harder | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | Another reason not to like it. ;) | 20:54 |
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| GAN8001 | More bug #176 fun, woo! | 20:55 |
| RST38h | GAN: problems start at step #8 that you have so affectionately started with "if you are lucky" :) | 20:56 |
| mouser- | Well, I've been at it for an hour and the only thing I've accomplished is I've added a lot of dust to the back. I've washed it off twice, but haven't had any luck. For $12 (plus $11.95 shipping!) it should be easier. | 20:56 |
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| mouser- | Had I noticed the shipping was so high, I wouldn't have bothered. | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: blood sweat and tears come to mind.. | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | thopiekar: try sb2 -R -e apt-get update | 20:59 |
| lardman | hmm, is libm compiled for vfp these days? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | think everything is, in maemo? | 21:00 |
| lardman | really? | 21:00 |
| lardman | never used to be | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no it's thumb or nothing iirc | 21:00 |
| lardman | LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/home/user" ./nbench | 21:00 |
| lardman | that should temporarily alter the path shouldnt it? | 21:00 |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps can't it be easier? | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: don't ask me :P i had my bit of trouble and ended up going back to sb1 | 21:03 |
| lardman | hmm, something odd going on, even without -mfpu-vfp it's returning pretty good results | 21:04 |
| lardman | how does dynamic linking work? Does it search the current dir first? | 21:04 |
| mouser- | Oh, I was off by a little. It was $12.95 plus $11.95 shipping to send the screen protector in a regular envelope. What a worthless company. | 21:07 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: crazy that it is used by maemo sdk+... it would be better if they use sb1 | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | the idea of sdk+ is not using sb1 though :P | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | and sb2 would be a good idea if there werent the intense quirks | 21:11 |
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| GAN800 | mouser-, where are you? | 21:17 |
| GAN800 | It was, like, $3 here | 21:17 |
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| GAN800 | Either way, it's hardly worthless. :/ The protector is perfect once it's on. | 21:19 |
| * Stskeeps should either wash or replace his | 21:20 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: hah @ increment by 1 every 12 months ;) | 21:21 |
| GAN800 | :P | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | (when i say hah, i usually mean good one :P) | 21:22 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, watch for self-deprecating hilarity in my edit notes on the wiki and itT. ;) | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | someone really needs to port thelastripper to maemo and hildonize it. it's such a brilliant tool. | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | offline last.fm | 21:24 |
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| mouser- | GAN800, I had it shipped from BoxWave and ordered via Amazon. | 21:25 |
| cyrus__ | Anyone here able to use their SD card under NitDroid? If I try to mount it it says device not found | 21:25 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, "the la stripper"? :P | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: several people has asked me if it was sfw, yes | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, a thing that brings you julie andrews singing 'my favourite things', into your device, has to be good. | 21:28 |
| mouser- | GAN800, Once I build myself a clean room I may try it again. I tried washing it off twice - maybe I didn't scrub hard enough. | 21:29 |
| GAN8001 | mouser-, it helps if it's damp, so if you steam up a bathroom. . . . | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, there are mono hildon bindings? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | there are? :P | 21:31 |
| mouser- | Also, the directions on the Wiki say to remove the faceplate, but don't give any instruction on how to do that. | 21:31 |
| GAN8001 | mouser-, I don't know how to do it for the N810 | 21:32 |
| GAN8001 | Feel free to elaborate if you figure it out. | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mouser-, read http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/N810_RX-44_SM_Level1&2.zip | 21:32 |
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| r2d2rogers | qwerty12_N800: thanks for that link, I snagged the 770 pdf | 21:41 |
| lardman | any gcc experts here? | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:41 |
| lardman | that for me? | 21:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | at r2d2rogers :) | 21:41 |
| lardman | k | 21:42 |
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| lardman | anyway, I'm compiling with -static and -L. -lm, am I right to think that would compile in parts of libm.a found in the current dir? | 21:42 |
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| lardman | no-one? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: gcc can be cruely insane once in a while :P | 21:47 |
| lardman | yeah | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | which is why im not happy to answer, cos it may act totally opposite :P | 21:48 |
| lardman | silly thing is the code is fast even without messing about with libm, so presumably the one that comes with scratchbox is compiled for vfp | 21:48 |
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| lardman | e.g. compare: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/new/results.txt to previous results from n800: http://markmail.org/message/4goyz4g6gped7yl4#query:pickering openmoko benchmarks+page:1+mid:4goyz4g6gped7yl4+state:results | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the compilers have simply become better? | 21:52 |
| lardman | nasty url that last one | 21:52 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: hmm | 21:52 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I could believe that if it improved when linked against the vfp libm, but it's exactly the same | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | thumb vs not thumb? was it OS2007 back then? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | .. i dunno, stats are a bit weird :P | 21:53 |
| lardman | no, thumb doesn't matter, it's the floating point stuff I'm looking at | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | true | 21:54 |
| lardman | the FOURIER result is the one to look at ~100 with cfp nbench + normal libm (on n800 last year or so), and now ~1250 either way on N810 | 21:55 |
| lardman | s/cfp/vfp | 21:55 |
| lardman | the n810 is faster now than the n800 was then by 400/330, but certainly not a factor of 12.5 | 21:56 |
| AStorm | hmm | 21:57 |
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| AStorm | maybe they improved some bus? | 21:57 |
| lardman | on the n810? Still would expect to see a difference between vfp/non-vfp | 21:57 |
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| AStorm | yes | 21:57 |
| AStorm | unless the bench doesn't use floating point | 21:58 |
| lardman | it does | 21:58 |
| AStorm | maybe it does it in a way that vfp doesn't help? | 21:58 |
| AStorm | or gcc got smart with softfpu | 21:58 |
| lardman | look at the second url above, big difference between vfp/non-vfp libm | 21:59 |
| AStorm | :) | 21:59 |
| AStorm | and what's the diff in bench? | 21:59 |
| lardman | same version | 21:59 |
| AStorm | in speed, I mean | 21:59 |
| * lardman wonders how he can tell if scratchbox libm is vfp enabled? | 22:00 | |
| lardman | http://markmail.org/message/upw4oe45ujjf64af?q=pickering+openmoko+benchmarks&page=1&refer=4goyz4g6gped7yl4 | 22:00 |
| AStorm | lardman, file should show | 22:00 |
| AStorm | or elfutils | 22:01 |
| lardman | ur? | 22:01 |
| lardman | what do you mean? | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | file doesn't tell you | 22:01 |
| lardman | tell us what? whether it's vfp? | 22:02 |
| AStorm | hmm, file doesn't? | 22:02 |
| AStorm | then elfutils should | 22:02 |
| AStorm | esp. strings | 22:02 |
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| AStorm | nah, no, readelf | 22:02 |
| AStorm | the flags are stored by default | 22:02 |
| lardman | what package should readelf be in? | 22:03 |
| AStorm | elfutils I think | 22:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, not in the sb repo | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | binutils from what i'm seeing | 22:04 |
| AStorm | anh, right | 22:05 |
| AStorm | elfutils has another, better app to prod elf | 22:05 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/benchmarks/new/libm-readelf.out | 22:07 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/new/libm-readelf.out | 22:07 |
| lardman | sorry | 22:07 |
| AStorm | yes, it has vfp | 22:09 |
| lardman | interesting, that's the standard libm.a from scratchbox | 22:09 |
| AStorm | no flags though | 22:10 |
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| AStorm | so it was built with older gcc | 22:10 |
| lardman | 3.4.4? | 22:10 |
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| AStorm | yes | 22:11 |
| pupnik | when do we get newer gcc in ITOS | 22:11 |
| lardman | well that's scratchbox for you | 22:11 |
| AStorm | pupnik, build one yourself | 22:11 |
| lardman | pupnik: with fremantle we get 4.x.x | 22:11 |
| pupnik | thanks lardman | 22:11 |
| AStorm | not that building gcc is any hard | 22:12 |
| lardman | well that is interesting, they've slipped in a vfp build of libm, I wonder about libc | 22:12 |
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| pupnik | https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 22:13 |
| lardman | Tag_VFP_arch: VFPv2 | 22:13 |
| pupnik | feel free to build a gcc 4.x version of Dosbox with the flags i've been testing and run the profiler on it, AStorm | 22:13 |
| lardman | AStorm: is that what you were looking for? | 22:13 |
| AStorm | lardman, I noticed it, yes | 22:14 |
| lardman | yep, looks right, it's not in my softfloat nbench binary | 22:15 |
| derf | pupnik: I've been using 4.x in sb1 successfully for a while now. | 22:15 |
| lardman | derf: which one? same libc? | 22:15 |
| derf | lardman: AFAIK, yes. | 22:16 |
| derf | Stuff built with it runs on the device, in any case. | 22:16 |
| derf | And I didn't install anything extra on the device. | 22:16 |
| AStorm | yes | 22:16 |
| lardman | cool, can I ask where it came from? | 22:16 |
| AStorm | e.g. kernel :) | 22:16 |
| pupnik | i'd like to see cache misses with sound blaster turned on and off. also test the wavetable vs math-based code results on call tree, cpu profile, and cache | 22:17 |
| AStorm | pupnik, :) | 22:17 |
| pupnik | and the 4.x build i made segfaults, duno why | 22:17 |
| AStorm | are you trying to turn our armel machine into a game console? | 22:17 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, there's no JIT in dosbox | 22:18 |
| AStorm | for armel | 22:18 |
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| pupnik | well, there is for arm now | 22:18 |
| AStorm | there is? | 22:18 |
| AStorm | when was it added? | 22:18 |
| pupnik | few months ago | 22:19 |
| AStorm | ah. | 22:19 |
| derf | http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ | 22:19 |
| AStorm | anyway, dosbox could use some love | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | there's a arm6 one somewhere too, derf | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 22:19 |
| AStorm | but I had it run Tyrian well on x86 | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | looked at maemo5-sdk | 22:19 |
| AStorm | in dynamic mode | 22:20 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 has diablo sdk with gcc 4 using one of the unofficial packages somewhere on scratchbox.org | 22:20 | |
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| derf | That isn't _quite_ what I used, since I run Gentoo. | 22:21 |
| derf | And you need a newer version of qemu, also. | 22:21 |
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| lardman | derf: cheers | 22:22 |
| AStorm | another madman... good person running Gentoo on NIT? excellent! | 22:22 |
| AStorm | we should organize it | 22:23 |
| derf | No, not on the NIT. | 22:23 |
| AStorm | meh | 22:23 |
| derf | Just on the dev box. | 22:23 |
| AStorm | :) | 22:23 |
| * AStorm too | 22:23 | |
| AStorm | I plan to run it on NIT | 22:23 |
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| derf | I don't. | 22:23 |
| AStorm | but I'd need sources for mapper | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | christendoc is working on it | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: now we have you, christendoc and slonpamus(sp) | 22:23 |
| AStorm | and for gpsdriver | 22:23 |
| lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh @ business | 22:23 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, *plan* - now I have to finish some project :> | 22:24 |
| AStorm | btw, what's the thing with gpsdriver? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm honestly not sure how it works | 22:24 |
| AStorm | the gps looks like a bluetooth device somehow | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. does it interface with bluez or anything? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | moo all | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, 'cat /usr/sbin/gpsdriver | grep -i bluez' says no | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 22:36 |
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| t_s_o | nspeed really reminds me of f-zero to snes | 22:59 |
| pupnik | wut? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | some niice racing game for tablet in extras | 23:00 |
| t_s_o | i think i would rather use the upper and lower half of the right side screen as throttle | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok - how many of you here could work out from descriptions like this? http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/tasks.txt , if you were to contribute | 23:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, cx3110x-umac-module package would take me 10 mins, you don't even need to be able to shell script | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* its just this kinda low hanging fruit that needs to be done, .. there's some more higher level things needed to be done | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo meiz | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i've put cx3110x-module in repo now btw :P | 23:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | just the same from deblet | 23:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | it works fine | 23:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | i see soma fail msgs at boot, but works anyway | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lo b-man | 23:21 |
| b-man | hello | 23:21 |
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| b-man | i'm about 1/3 of the way done with the installer. :) | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | oki | 23:22 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: the cx3110x-module in the repo, that's N8x0 only right? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but there's a 770 one in deblet one too | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | I did grab it | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think it's patched for WPA and all that jazz though | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah I grabbed the source to play with from there also | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks<G>. | 23:24 |
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| b-man | random question; has enyone suggested eny logo designs for Mer? | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | nothing official yet | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man: put you on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#December_tasks , when done, mark when you were done with it and any additional information about the installer | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | any other of you who'd like to commit to one or more of the tasks, you're welcome to go grab some | 23:29 |
| b-man | thanks | 23:30 |
| lcuk | \@/ software patnets | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: what was your issue with nm-applet? just that NM didnt notice it? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | patents even | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | the wifi | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: liqbase is now patented? | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, committing to cx3110x-umac-module, i'll make a package tomorrow | 23:31 |
| lcuk | no and it never will be :) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | OSS FTW! | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: alright, sounds good :) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | thank you rm_you, whereever you are :) | 23:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, 26 + 0 = ? | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | 26 | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | for small numbers of 0 | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, I know, i'm messing around :D | 23:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | But I was hoping that "simple sum" had more meaning :/ | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:35 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if /home/user is a good or a bad idea.. | 23:35 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | unfortunately, I think quite a few maemo apps are hardcoded there now :/ | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, have default user as something like /home/merperson and ridicule any apps which don't work! | 23:39 |
| * lcuk runs off to test liqbase before posting | 23:39 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:39 |
| lcuk | shit! too late | 23:39 |
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| [1]Kl0r | . | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | any of those fancy pancy media players for maemo that does a simple "recurse through this directory and add all songs to playlist"? :P | 23:48 |
| lcuk | at the same time? | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and im sure theres literally hundreds of mediaplayers - its like hello world! | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | infact, liqmediaplay.c might work ;) | 23:49 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wants to see if he will find an Maemo media player that will cause him to convert from mpd | 23:50 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, im still using an old version of winamp | 23:54 |
| * Stskeeps is a old-theme winamp fan to | 23:55 | |
| Stskeeps | o | 23:55 |
| lcuk | no, not old theme winamp | 23:55 |
| lcuk | old winamp | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, heh, i used to use winamp 5 for the sake of it being the latest version :D | 23:55 |
| lcuk | :P | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i remember installing some later version of winamp and it was dire | 23:56 |
| lcuk | Created: 22 August 2002, 20:45:13 | 23:57 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:57 |
| chrisaw | Is this channel an appropriate place for questions, or is it more of a development channel? I'm thinking of getting an n810...(btw, I'm noticing a lot of the nicks here from internettablettalk :) ) | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | chrisaw, ive seen you around as well im sure | 23:57 |
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| cyberholic | goood evening everyone | 23:57 |
| chrisaw | I do remember you a little, lcuk | 23:58 |
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| * LCUK is bigger now | 23:58 | |
| cyberholic | lol | 23:58 |
| LCUK | hiya cyberholic, hows yours widgets | 23:59 |
| LCUK | -s | 23:59 |
| LCUK | and have you found a way to break out of flash yet? | 23:59 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: thanks mate. i just finished the onlineradio MOJO. .... you can listen to SOMA FM iiiiiiin FULLSCREEN! lol | 23:59 |
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