IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-12-15

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mouser-MaceN800: Hi00:10
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Oli-n800hi , is n800 broken camera flip rather software or hardware problem?00:13
Oli-n800because in the morning it worked every time (i tried many times), but now there's no reaction for flipping00:14
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bearclaw_anyone knows where I could find the kernel configuration used for the IT2007 hacker edition?00:16
mouser-Oli-n800: I have an N810, so I don't have any experience.  Have you tried the forums?00:17
mouser-Oli-n800: Have you done anything to change the software recently?00:17
Stskeepsbearclaw_: there were wiki pages on it at some point00:17
Oli-n800some guy from tablettalk forums said that it's a hw error but i can't believe it00:19
StskeepsOli-n800: and i guess you did try restarting?00:19
Oli-n800few hours ago it worked always, i ran out of battery and now it doesn't work00:20
mouser-I haven't heard of it happening before.  It sounds like it might be a software problem, since you ran out of battery.00:20
Oli-n800i bought tablet about month ago and flipping worked only sometimes00:20
mouser-The camera works, it just doesn't flip the image, right?00:21
Oli-n800yes00:21
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Stskeepswb b-man00:21
Oli-n800i mean, it was flipping image few hours ago , before reboot00:22
b-manhi00:22
Stskeepsb-man: you up for making a simple script with zenity that makes a bootmenu item, and downloads and untars a tar.gz onto a partition?00:22
Stskeepsfor tablet00:22
b-manshure00:22
Stskeepsmake an easy option (partition my external MMC, 50mb fat, 256mb swap and rest linux, for instance) and advanced one where they choose their own mmc partition00:23
Stskeepssfdisk can help you with the first one00:24
mouser-Oli-n800: There's probably something else you could do to troubleshoot it, but if you have a recent backup (or I guess you can make one, since everything else works and the backup wouldn't restore the OS, just the user), I'd try re-flashing to see if that fixes it.00:24
b-manBtw, i'll send you that launcher as soon as possible, i've ben a little districted.00:24
Stskeepsfair enough00:24
Stskeepsi'm working on SDK, but need some way for people to try Mer easily00:24
mouser-Oli-n800: But reboot if you haven't done a clean reboot since the battery died, to see if that fixes it.00:25
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Oli-n800mouser-, i've got tablet for a month so i haven't thought about flashing00:27
Oli-n800i don't have any backups too00:28
b-manI had synaptic running successfully in hildon. i'll post some screenshots on ITT.00:28
mouser-Oli-n800: Try a clean reboot first.  If that doesn't work, you can make a backup of what you have now.00:28
Stskeepsb-man: alright, sounds good00:28
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qwerty12_N800synaptic compiles for diablo too, just looks like shit00:28
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lardmanOli-n800: there's a sysfs entry to tell you which way up the camera is, check that to see if it's hw00:29
lardmanhmm, too late00:29
mouser-Oli-n800: Also, if you've only had it for a month, are you still running Chinook or have you upgraded to Diablo?  Fairly recently Nokia upgraded the OS for the N800/N810.00:30
mouser-lardman: I figured there was something else he could try, but he's just doing a reboot, hopefully not a reflash yet.00:31
lcukliqbase question.if i wrote a visual designer would you expect it to edit and save documents like source files with an explicit save and overwrite the existing data, or would you want it to operate like wikipedia and maintain every revision00:31
lardmanmouser-: is there not a bug about this? I've heard people say this quite a lot00:32
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b-mandoes libqbase work under mer?00:32
lcuknot sure yet, wouldnt expect it too, it uses nokia touch dll00:32
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olimouser-: i've bought it with latest diablo so i didnt have to reflash00:33
Stskeepsb-man: not sure if xv is fast enough00:33
lcukrly?00:33
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qwerty12_N800i'm not sure liqbase would display properly due to fb being auto00:34
lcukwhats difference/00:34
qwerty12_N800in maemo, if fb is auto, liqbase doesn't display00:34
lcukwell thats just buncum!00:34
Oli-n800lardman, you know something more?00:34
Oli-n800i've rebooted and nothing has changed00:35
lardmanjust that there's a sysfs entry which tells you the hw state00:35
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lardmanhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3303 ?00:36
lardmansounds like you should uninstall the camera app, then re-install it00:39
Oli-n800i've had both camera and videocamera installed00:40
Oli-n800now only videocamera left00:40
b-man@ Stskeeps; i might have a little truble automating the partitioning prosess, i know how to manualy partittion a mmc, but i'm not shure how to automate the prosess. made i shuld contact panguinbait about this.00:40
Stskeepsb-man: sec, lemme find an example00:40
Stskeepsb-man: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh00:41
b-manthanks!!00:41
Stskeepsthe sfdisk stuf00:41
Stskeeps,, means rest of space00:41
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: check at some point if your -devkit-debian is 1.0.1000:42
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qwerty12_N800No one wanting to try the mer, hildonized xchat build?00:45
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i will eventually, getting a sdk script made atm :P00:46
Oli-n800lardman, i would try comment #14 from your link00:46
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, Hehe, i'd try it but I have no inclination to partition my card nor mess around with getting wifi or usbnet working :P00:48
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lardmannight all00:52
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b-mancorrect me if i am wrong, but:      (  ,50,C = 50mb fat   ,128,S = 128mb swap   ,,L  = linux83 for the rest )  is this setup correct?, my knowledge is mostly based off of fsdisk.00:55
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Oli-n800still nothing01:00
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Stskeepsbearclaw_: looks good01:03
Stskeepser01:03
Stskeepsb-man01:03
Stskeeps:P01:03
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b-mansorry, my tablet's touchscreen crashed and i got disconnected. did i miss any information?01:07
Stskeepsb-man: yes, looks good01:07
b-manthanks! :)01:08
Stskeepsand try to use the same trick deblet uses to find out if its internal or external :P01:08
Stskeeps(its a shell script)01:08
Stskeepshmm.01:13
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mouser-oli: Any luck yet?01:37
bearclaw_found it, there is a n770_defconfig target in the kernel-source package01:40
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gomiamHi, anyone around?01:52
Stskeepssomewha01:52
Stskeepst01:52
gomiam:)01:53
gomiamJust a question so I can go on my way... Does the Maemo Xserver use the system keymap or its own one? I have found some keymaps in /usr/share but my Bt keyboard seems unable to type the "greater than" character in Spanish mode, which is my native one. I can type < with little hassle, though.01:55
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gomiamI have been told I should add a mapping through liberal use of xevent to get the key combo and some other program to set the specific mapping, but I would like to be able to change some file so it will be available whenevere I choose the spanish keymap.01:58
gomiam(By the way, what's this braindead Nokia idea of treating their MIDs as if they were phones? I can't find pointers for n800 in the Nokia Store anymore, and finding other components is getting to be tricky)02:01
lcukgomiam, not sure on the mapping, but i know people went through very similar issues and modified some keymap when trying to get tab to work on n81002:05
lcukhttp://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/02:05
lcuktheres a lot of information about changing the keyboard there :)02:06
gomiamThanks a lot!02:07
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gomiamTime to restart and try...02:28
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GuySofthey, if i open a video i downloaded with gpodder, it comes out really slow. is there a way to speed up video playback? it seems to happen even to videos that are superposed to be playable on ipods..03:13
disco_stuGuySoft, check the video format and resolution03:24
GuySoftdisco_stu, some are high, some are not too high but still sluggish..03:25
GuySoftdisco_stu, isnt there a way to build an auto-encoding tool.. it was done in the original gpodder ..03:26
disco_stuwith open source you can do whatever you want :)03:31
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GuySoftdisco_stu, i need open time too..03:41
GuySoftthere were days where i coded what i want when i want..03:41
GuySoftah.. the memories03:41
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christendocThanks to pointers from some of you fine gentleman, I've got a functional keyboard and working wpa wireless now on my native gentoo n810. Will update documentation soon, but gotta study some for real world.04:33
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Ro9u3oRKDE vs. Xfce on N800 which would you recommend07:22
duztxfce07:25
duzttho. i only use maemo in my n80007:25
Ro9u3oRthanks duzt07:28
Ro9u3oRis it possible to use espeak as a audio ebook reader?07:29
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Meiz_n810morning08:56
Meiz_n810is there a good and lightweight painting softaware?08:57
Meiz_n810(for Mer)08:57
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pupnikMeiz_n810: i like mypaint09:16
Meiz_n810k09:16
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Livingroomsup foo09:23
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Myrttio hai!11:03
ProteousI see what you did there11:05
Myrttiuh-oh11:05
Myrttimeaow?11:05
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RST38hEHLO all11:11
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Meiz_n810what were the pics needed to edit for transparent panels?11:28
Meiz_n810john761 is spamming itT!!!11:31
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RST38hKILL! KILL!11:39
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JaffaMorning, all12:22
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lcukcrap: emergency, just purchased wayfinder 1 month license this morning and when entering code it wont activate because it needs working network, dns is borked at this end so only wifi works between machines, is there any way to activate this license without network.  i have a need to use it as soon as i finish work today :$ its important12:51
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lardmansetup a local dns server?12:55
lcuklardman, im gonna get at max 5 mins after i get home :S i cant access tablet from work to see fi its working either :(12:56
lardmanit doesn't take long to register12:56
lcukwe got code from website and remembered it was entering a big long serial - thought it would activate without a network but it needs to check12:56
lardmanyeah, no-one trusts anyone these days ;)12:57
lcuki know timing wise, but its the windows network thats goosed here, tablet connects here and through my connsharing and out, but something is deliciously borkened12:57
lcukif theres no way round needing network ill have to do without12:58
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lardmanhead out to a cafe for lunch! :)13:01
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Jaffalcuk: tried in offline mode, rather than just with a b0rked network?13:09
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lcuklardman,logistics, nokia is at home, i am at work.  jaffa, thanks ill try it when i get back13:47
lcukahhh, tracy saw your message jaffa:13:48
lcuk"i tried it with net offline but it just tries to connect to the net when u enter the code so if u cant fix it ur gonna be toddless"13:48
lcukim on my todd \o/13:48
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Stskeepsmorning14:01
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X-FadeInteresting: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=249635&postcount=11114:04
X-FadeStskeeps: Do you want me to put the meeting log up on maemo.org?14:04
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StskeepsX-Fade: yes, would be great :) sorry, it managed to slip me14:06
Stskeepsand yes, interesting orientations and call states14:07
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Stskeepsi still wonder wtf "face down" means14:07
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X-FadeStskeeps: Screen on table.14:07
Stskeepsmm14:07
Stskeepsmaybe14:07
X-FadeSo you can flip it over to silence it for example.14:07
X-FadeAnd not wake the display up when there is a mauku update because you can't see it anyway.14:08
Stskeepsit'll be interesting at least14:08
Stskeepsor a way to mute the tablet in the morning when alarm goes on ..14:08
Stskeeps:P14:08
X-FadePossibilites are limitless.14:08
RST38hX-Fade: My guess is that they are keeping the old naming convention14:08
RST38hSo although defines start with MCE, MCE may well be gone14:08
X-FadeRST38h: Sure..14:09
GAN800What if you're checking your email on the space shuttle? :(14:09
StskeepsRST38h: i think d-bus API mce provides will still be exposed14:09
Stskeepsit is used quite a lot in apps, so14:09
derfGAN800: I presume that's what "unknown" is for.14:09
X-FadeGAN800: As long as it is accelerating, it should work. (Kind of)14:09
GAN800Sitting there with it face 'down' on the pad. :P14:10
GAN800I was trying X-Plane on the iPhone last night. We're gonna need a flight sim. . . .14:13
RST38hSts: Yep - I don't think they will be changing the whole thing just because the actual agent changes14:14
StskeepsRST38h: and that's the purpose of defining interfaces :)14:14
StskeepsGAN800: with accelerometer?14:14
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GAN800Yeah14:15
RST38hGAN <-- infidel! =)14:15
GAN800Not perfect, but surprisingly smooth14:15
RST38hiNfidel, iven =)14:15
RST38hs/iven/even/14:15
infobotRST38h meant: iNfidel, even =)14:15
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X-FadeStskeeps: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/mer-meeting-2008-12-14.html14:18
Stskeepsthank you, X-Fade14:18
JaffaX-Fade: Known issue: "latest items" on /news/ isn't updating?14:18
X-FadeJaffa: It should? :)14:19
X-FadeJaffa: Is it not loading a feed?14:20
JaffaX-Fade: planet items not updated since Friday on the sidebar, even though the main content is up-to-date14:20
GAN800I noticed events weren't updating on the front page either.14:22
X-FadeHmm yeah, it seems the anonymous pages' cache doesn't expire.14:22
X-FadeIt does update when logged in.14:23
X-FadeNeed to investigate.14:23
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GAN8001X-Fade, also, can you put repository.maemo.org/community into the back of your mind for Mer?14:43
Stskeepsalso, which software do you use to manage the current repositories?14:44
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GAN8001We'll need a firmer definition of "what" and "how", but, speaking generally, we want it to be hosted from there abouts.14:44
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Stskeepsmorning lardman|home14:47
lardman|homehey Stskeeps14:47
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X-FadeGAN8001: That should not be a problem. Although a clear what goes where and who does what might be in order ;)14:48
GAN800Stskeeps, want to put together a wiki task?14:49
Stskeepsyeah, ok14:50
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andrewfblackMorning14:51
StskeepsX-Fade: what repository software do you use currently for extras?14:51
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X-FadeStskeeps: We use queue-manager. A custom script top of the debian tools.14:52
Stskeepsalright14:52
X-FadeBut basically dpkg-* tools.14:52
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lcukmornin X-Fade, hope they are keeping you busy in the bowels14:55
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Stskeeps~seen johnx14:57
infobotjohnx <i=hidden-u@202.209.68.73> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 22h 57m 37s ago, saying: ':)'.14:57
X-Fadelcuk: Sure..14:57
lcuklol X-Fade isnt GAN a slave driver (good job he can't hear us:P)14:58
lcuk Stskeeps john has dozed off finally, he was threatening to go to sleep, but now you wont hear from him until spring14:58
* GAN8001 cracks the whip on lcuk.14:58
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lcuklardman|home, any further on your investigation of DSP on steroids doing transform&lighting or are we in a holding pattern for things14:58
lcuk:D GAN800114:59
lardman|homelcuk: I've been a bit busy, haven't really looked at it any more, ping baddu as he started that15:01
lardman|homelcuk: just looking at the sbc patches, and preferably waiting on the powervr thing15:01
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lcuklardman|home, yeah will do, just pondering is all.  i think ive got myself over a hump and am onto the next step - hopefully the way ive written stuff these kinds of improvements can just be slotted in15:10
lardman|homegood good15:11
* lardman|home looks at rejected hunks15:11
* Stskeeps looks at scratchbox devkits and tries to make sense of them.15:14
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Stskeepswb Meiz_n81015:18
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Meiz_n810thanks15:20
Meiz_n810i'll boot to mer soon..15:20
Meiz_n810anything new?15:20
Stskeepsnot really, working on SDK, b-man will make a small "download tar.gz, partition my MMC card and put mer on it" script15:21
Stskeepsto make it easier for people to try it out15:23
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lcukregarding scratchbox, if i have an IDE which can handle managing a "standard" gnu project build, does it simply need telling the new path to know to build via scratchbox, or does the scratchbox plugin have to be distinct from the main build configurations?15:27
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Stskeepshttp://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24 <- interesting15:30
Meiz_n810what file is toolbars backgroung in /usr/share/themes/.../images/?15:31
Meiz_n810i would like to modify grasser theme a bit15:31
Stskeepsno clue personally :P15:32
Meiz_n810somewhere in itT :P15:32
Meiz_n810i'm just to search :)15:32
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide <- working SDK for Mer (ARMEL)16:02
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StskeepsGAN8001: odd question - sprint activity logs, are those from previous month, or from the month the sprint items are about?16:04
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t_s_ohmm, a 40% drop in battery over 10 hours or so...16:16
Stskeepsyour battery meter thing?16:17
t_s_onope, good old manual. wrote down the battery percentage when i went to bed and checked again when i got up...16:17
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t_s_ohmm, i swear, modest thinks it should do autochecking on some account, while i have it specifically turned of. only way to notice it is that as i currently have some networking issue on my N800 i get a "unable to connect" dialog, followed by the account settings window, when i do not have the main modest window open...16:19
Stskeepsi gave up using modest16:21
Stskeepsi use claws. not so layout friendly, but it works without hassle16:21
t_s_owell i just want to be able to check the headers and odd mail of some pop accounts16:22
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dockanehi all16:22
t_s_oso i could have survived with the old osso-mail with the 2-line modest interface...16:22
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Stskeepsmm16:23
t_s_ohmm, on what repo is the ogg-support package on? panucci complains about it not being around :(16:23
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* Stskeeps ponders what next release name of mer should be.16:24
Stskeeps'alpha' currently, as we needed something :P16:24
t_s_o"insane rabbit"?16:24
dockaneneed some info about the n800 battery, which is the nokia bp-5l. here in germany there are 2 different versions in the shops, an 1300 mAh and an 1500 mAh version (same price btw). does anybody know something assured about that (i.e. if the smaller one is an old version or something like that)16:25
kulvet_s_o: it's still only in my own repo..16:25
t_s_oah, that may explain it...16:25
Stskeepssince mer is ocean.. sea creatures maybe16:25
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Stskeepsmanatee? :>16:26
RST38hAlabaster Amoeba?16:26
Stskeepsamoeba isn't bad, as it is not that big an animal just yet :P16:27
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lardman|homehttp://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbcenc.o.diablo-improved-filterbank16:33
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lardman|homefor those who do lots of sbc listening, please let me know if it sounds better16:34
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lardman|homeI'll have to test and see if the DSP-side is now slower (probably need to add some pragmas and intrinsics for the new filterbank method) as I do get some slow-downs16:36
lardman|homehowever the frequency response is supposed to be better now16:37
X-FadeWhile I haven't tested it before: Cool stuff anyway ;)16:37
lardman|home:)16:38
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disco_stut_s_o, where do you read battery charge?16:49
t_s_oi used advanced power/pybattery16:49
disco_stuack, thanks16:50
lcukdisco_stu, kcbatt is a command line version i believe16:52
disco_stuhi lcuk16:52
disco_stuyesterday i tried MyPaint, did you?16:53
disco_stuit is really cool16:53
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Stskeepswb GAN80016:55
GAN800Shopping for a coffee maker for my dad in Linens and Things. :P16:55
disco_stuStskeeps, whats 'wb' ?16:55
Stskeepswelcome back16:55
disco_stui see..16:56
StskeepsGAN8001: coffee makers are good until they break and you start screaming at it in mornings to give you coffee.. :P16:56
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andre__coffee. a good idea16:56
* andre__ goes to the kitchen16:56
aquatixhmmm, coffee16:57
* disco_stu is overclocking himself with a can of red bull16:57
t_s_ough, i may well have managed to nail down a issue with modest that have been bothering me. seems that if one try to refresh a account while the tablet is setting up a wifi connection, modest stays loaded even after one close down the main window16:59
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disco_stui installed powerlaunch, but failed.. and now i cant uninstall it because it also fails17:04
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lardmanre17:08
Stskeeps2wb17:08
GAN800disco_stu, dangling symlinks17:10
GAN800qwerty12 can fix it. :P17:10
disco_stui will fix it. but now i have to study.17:11
lcukdisco_stu, no i havent recently, but i did months ago - you wouldnt know if its changed since17:13
* Stskeeps notes kernel-diablo isn't gcc4 friendly17:13
lcukgcc4 - what did they break making it that its such a big deal?17:14
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Stskeepswell dunno, it just doesnt build :P17:14
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lcukahhh well17:15
lcukthis pan shaped burn is really distracting17:15
Stskeepsyour missus slapped you with a hot pan? :P17:16
lardmanthe danger of falling asleep while cooking bacon17:18
Stskeepsah.17:18
disco_stuwow.. today it is 41ÂșC17:19
disco_stuabout 110 F17:20
lardman:p17:20
lardman~3C here17:20
Stskeepswhere are you, hell?17:20
Stskeeps:P17:20
lardman41C sounds good to me17:20
disco_stu41C its not good at all. only to stay at the pool17:21
lardmanquite :)17:21
disco_stuim in Mendoza, Argentina17:21
lardmanoh, humid too then?17:21
disco_stuno.. dry17:21
lardmanah, that's ok then17:21
disco_stuhumidity is 45 %17:23
lardmanor at least not so bad :)17:23
disco_stubut its lower normally17:23
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lardmanah, the boy wonder17:24
disco_stulol17:24
lardmanI've changed the sbc filter so lethal bizzle should sounds even worse (or better depending on your taste)17:25
aquatixdisco_stu: wtf, that's hot :)17:25
aquatixit's about freezing here17:25
qwerty12lardman, hi, lol :P17:25
disco_stuaquatix, it is killing me, :p17:26
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aquatixdisco_stu: can imagine17:26
summatusmentisaquatix: almost freezing? suck it up :) It's -40 here w/ windchill17:26
lardman*shiver*17:26
disco_stusummatusmentis, wow, you dont need a fridge to keep beers17:28
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aquatixsummatusmentis: almost freezing is fine with me :)17:28
summatusmentisdisco_stu: haha, I do need another year under my belt though17:28
aquatixespecially when it's sunny, which it sort of was today17:28
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Meizirkkiqwerty12: where is the xchat for mer ? :P17:29
aquatixunder `irssi' ;)17:29
qwerty12Meizirkki, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/xchat_2.8.4-mer0q12_armel.deb - haven't tested it but there are no preinst/postinst/whatever scripts run nor are there any libraries installed so it should work17:30
Meizirkkithe one i have naggs about missing connection.. (i used the one in extras :17:30
Meizirkkiok17:30
qwerty12Meizirkki, I removed the connection check17:30
Meizirkkigreat17:30
spencer_have a question on running the sdk in ubuntu... tried my autoconf script and is telling me i'm missing "conbtdialogs".. but i can't find the deb for it.17:30
Stskeepsapt-get install libconbtdialogs?17:30
Stskeepsshould be in sdk17:30
spencer_no luck17:31
spencer_no such thing as libconbtdialogs... apt-cache showed nothing with the search string of conbtdialog17:31
qwerty12spencer_, apt-get install conbtdialogs-dev17:31
qwerty12ooh, it's showing up as installed in my sbox17:32
spencer_ok..    in that case, a really dumb question... how to get root for sb2?17:34
qwerty12oh, sb2.17:34
Stskeepsfakeroot17:34
* qwerty12 steps back17:34
Stskeepsoh, sb217:34
Stskeepssb2 -R -e17:34
Stskeeps:P17:35
spencer_i'm really new to this.. just got it last friday17:35
spencer_sorry for being such a newbie.17:35
Stskeepsscratchbox1 might be less of a headache then :)17:35
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derfI've been doing this since 2007 and I'm still using sb1.17:38
qwerty12sb2 is designed to give you headaches17:39
spencer_i'm new so i just find whatever wiki i got online..17:41
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Meiz_n810thanks qwerty17:42
Meiz_n810xchat working :P17:42
qwerty12Hehe, good, now you can use a real irc client, not pidgin :P17:42
StskeepsMeiz_n810: screenshot obligatory17:42
Meiz_n810this does not take even near as much memory as pidgin took17:42
qwerty12Pidgin + IRC don't go imo17:43
qwerty12same with rtcomm17:43
disco_stui've been using xchat from the repos, whats bad with it?17:43
qwerty12nothing, xchat is the bomb :P17:43
* qwerty12 waits for fans of irssi to come out17:44
Stskeepson tablet xchat is neat but some things are annoying :P17:44
disco_stui likemore irssi or bitchx17:44
qwerty12disco_stu, I actually have bitchx for tablet...17:44
disco_stunice.. but i dont know how comfortable it is to use without a hw keyboard17:45
spencer_what about the intltool?? it said i have an older version17:46
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RST38hSamsung announces new 65nm ARM9 processor -- for digital photo frames17:48
RST38hqwerty: ircii here17:48
MeizirkkiMer starts to look "me" :P trac.tspre.org/meiz17:48
qwerty12RST38h, an oldie I see :P17:48
Meizirkkicheck scrshots 5 6 7 etc17:48
disco_stuqwerty12, yours xchat play sounds?17:48
StskeepsMeiz_n810: yeah, it starts to look cool :)17:49
qwerty12disco_stu, dunno, I don't use sound17:49
StskeepsMeiz_n810: hmm, aren't those scrollbars nice for touch?17:50
Meizirkkiscrollbars?17:50
Stskeepsyeah17:50
Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-6.png17:50
Stskeepsthey look wider than usua17:50
Stskeepsl17:50
Meizirkkii don't think they are wider17:51
Stskeepsk17:51
Meizirkkithe are good :P17:51
Meizirkkiand it is possible to use d-pad17:51
Meizirkkifor scrolling17:51
Meizirkkiscrshot5 is strange.. it happens when i start xchat..17:52
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Stskeepsmaybe part of new hildon17:52
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qwerty12Meizirkki, missing locales..17:53
Meizirkkiok17:53
disco_stuqwerty12, well maybe flashing led would be nice17:53
Stskeepsqwerty12: i think we're missing some translations in general17:53
Stskeepseverything went haywire after new hildon-desktop17:53
StskeepsMeiz_n810: you should post some scrshots at the screenshot thread at iTT17:54
disco_stuqwerty12, i have problems with powerlaunch, it wont uninstall either17:55
Stskeeps(with a disclaimer you're using some of the stuff from os2008)17:55
qwerty12disco_stu, ooh, powerlaunch is a bitch to uninstall, what's your error?17:55
disco_stusomething about dangling symlinks17:56
disco_stuit installed, but wasnt configured17:56
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: posting...17:57
qwerty12disco_stu, replace /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d with this one: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/invoke-rc.d.tar.gz17:57
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disco_stuqwerty12, ok :)17:58
qwerty12I have the same problem so I edited the script not to exit and all works well for me now :)17:58
disco_stuqwerty12, http://slexy.org/view/s2lJrrOAAw17:59
disco_stuthats the output i had from dpkg17:59
qwerty12yeah, you should be ok just replacing invoke-rc.d17:59
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StskeepsGAN800 (and others), https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Mer_Repository_Setup <- seems sane?18:03
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disco_stuqwerty12, it worked.. thanks :)18:05
qwerty12disco_stu, good to hear :)18:06
disco_stui dont have a clue what powerlaunch does18:06
disco_stulol18:07
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X-FadeStskeeps: Everything should be pretty easy, only the separate invitation thing is harder.18:08
X-FadeWe might need to make another option for that.18:08
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Stskeepsyeah - well, there can be multiple ways to gain the wished effect. like, list of keys allowed to start the builder (signatures)18:10
Stskeepsor we simply believe in the good of everyone and allow people to upload if they have an extras invite :)18:11
Stskeepswhatever gets things running the easiest, really18:12
X-Fadeyeah, we can probably start with manually adding the list of keys.18:12
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GAN8001Stskeeps, the activity log is daily for the month of the Sprint18:13
GAN8001So January 08 would be activity on tasks committed for January worked on in January18:13
Stskeepsk18:13
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* GAN8001 doesn't have the energy to heart/thank all of sjgadsby's karma whoring. :P18:15
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: is there a way to get advanced-power or any battery meter..18:16
Meiz_n810working18:17
StskeepsMeiz_n810: hald-addon-bme + advanced-power might work. im not sure we have all the python pieces yet18:17
Meiz_n810k18:17
StskeepsGAN800, saw Meiz's "what can you do with theming and icons from maemo" scrshot?18:18
Stskeeps( http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-10.png for instance )18:18
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GAN800Ha18:20
Stskeepsi could be convinced that was maemo.18:20
GAN800Stskeeps, can you prod Quim about the licensing?18:21
StskeepsGAN800: we'll get to that, think we'll do a demo image first, that's 100% OSS, and then we make small demos of what is possible if X,Y,Z is relicensed18:21
GAN800I'm interested to know whether we want to attack individual packages or what.18:21
GAN800I'm thinking themeing stuff18:21
GAN800I can't really imagine they see legacy themes as something they need to protect. . . .18:22
Stskeepsyeah, but icons may be an issue if they are similar to other nokia phones18:22
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Stskeepswe'll see what they say18:23
Stskeepsi think the bigger issue right now is tiny bits of hw support stuff18:23
Stskeepsthemes and icons community can always work with, hw support not so much18:23
GAN800Yeah18:23
X-FadePretty funny to see 100% cpu usage in all screenshots Meiz_n810 ;)18:23
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StskeepsX-Fade: scrshot always takes up 100%, it's very low otherwise18:23
Stskeepsbut yeah, not convincing ;)18:24
X-FadeStskeeps: yeah, but still ;)18:24
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GAN800Stskeeps, article names should be sentence capitalization. :P18:25
Stskeeps:P18:25
Stskeepsnoted18:25
GAN800Thanks. ;)18:26
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* GAN8001 sees Nokia phones on Engadget and wants a new tablet even more.18:32
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X-FadeGAN800: OLED :)18:33
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qwerty12ciroip, is it ok if I put up a deb on the project page? :)18:34
GAN8001X-Fade, just gotta find that LCD part number. . . .18:34
ciroipoh, buongionro qwerty1218:34
qwerty12hi ciroip :)18:34
ciroipyou are the admin qwerty12 ,18:34
ciroipyou are allowed to do whatever you want :)18:35
qwerty12ciroip, ok, will upload then, thanks :)18:35
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ciroipyou are welcome18:35
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qwerty12I exported the wmclass so we can exit by pressing home :)18:36
ciroipwatching my shitty code commented on ITT forum make me feel like showing my dirty underwear18:36
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Stskeepsqwerty12: i've put up new sdk instructions with libc6 being proper already from start btw18:37
ciroipgreat! that s was my main concern, not being able to close the app :)18:37
qwerty12heh, I wouldn't have been able to get that far :)18:37
qwerty12Stskeeps, yeah, I saw :)18:37
qwerty12Stskeeps, as we can see from Meizirkki's screenshots, being built against libc 2.8 doesn't seem to be a problem :)18:37
Stskeepsyeah18:38
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StskeepsGAN8001: i'm not confident the 12pt themes are entirely legal though18:39
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qwerty12ciroip, done! :)18:42
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ciroipwow, watching a .deb for the flipclock make me shivering18:43
ciroipwell, not really, but is cool18:44
qwerty12hehe :)18:44
Stskeepshmm, does maemo wiki support importing rss feeds?18:44
Stskeepssince we have bug integration already18:45
GAN8001Stskeeps, not that I know of.18:51
Stskeepsk18:51
GAN8001http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/5634418:51
Stskeepscould be interesting if we were to use microblogging instead of having to log in, write your activity summary, etc :P18:51
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GAN8001More directly: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_Reader18:52
GAN8001Open a bug if you think we should have it.18:52
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Stskeeps*nod*18:53
MeizirkkiIs there a dbus-command od something to show up the task navigator?18:55
Meizirkkii would like to change aff is midori is fullscreenend etc...18:56
Meizirkki(in Mer again)18:56
Meizirkkis/aff/app18:56
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StskeepsMeizirkki: yeah.. i think it's mce related possibly, and we dont have that just yet18:57
Meizirkkiok18:57
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GuySofthey, i am in scracthbox.. and i want to compile a module for maemo. however it seems that the call uname -r gives out my current kernel verion. and not the one i want to work with.. is there a way to fix that?19:04
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omicron23hi. the browser application on my n810 does not play flash movies any more. youtube etc. does not work any more. what can I do about that? any hints?19:07
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Stskeepsandrewfblack: screenshots of MerEcho?19:09
qwerty12Meizirkki, "dbus-send --type=signal --system /com/nokia/mce/signal com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_home_key_pressed_ind" works in maemo but I don't think there is mce in mer for you to be able to do that with :(19:09
Stskeeps(is it possible to hear an echo at the ocean?)19:09
Meizirkkii'll try19:10
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Stskeepsandrewfblack: looks interesting so far19:12
Stskeepshttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=754&release_id=2254  (scroll down to MerEcho)19:12
Meizirkkiis the home button F5?19:14
qwerty12yep19:14
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qwerty12but it's mce that listens out for that, not hildon-desktop...19:14
Meizirkkiwell that looks very cool!!! :P (MerEcho)19:15
Meizirkkiqwerty12: ok19:15
Meizirkkiqwerty12: IT WORKS!! thanks a LOT!19:16
Meizirkkiwith xbindkeys19:17
qwerty12Wicked!19:17
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GAN8001omicron23, did you turn Flash off?19:21
Stskeepsand this is why scratchbox has a purpose: glib compile on native, emulator, 16 hours. scratchbox, 10 minutes.19:21
GAN8001Or run out of RAM and have Flash turned off for you?19:21
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ciroiptime for lunch here: qwerty12: so bitchy that comment about the missing icon :) tell me the resolution we need and Ill make up with something for next release :)19:25
qwerty12hehe :P, I can't actually remember the sizes atm but I'll get back to you :). Enjoy lunch :)19:26
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qwerty12heh, 0xFFFF 0.4 :)20:15
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t_s_ois thats whats messing things up? *looks at the number of joins and quits*20:25
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Stskeepsjust regular idleness20:30
t_s_obad joke on my part...20:34
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ciroipback20:44
Stskeepswb20:47
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qwerty12ciroip, regarding icons, a 26x26, 40x40 & 64x64 one would be nice :)20:49
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ciroipk20:49
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ciroipare tranpharent png fine?20:50
qwerty12_N800ciroip, even better :)20:50
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StskeepsX-Fade: ping21:04
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GuySofthey, can anyone help me out here to cross-compile kernel modules?21:27
Stskeepswhat kind of kernel module are you attempting?21:27
GuySoftStskeeps, ov51x-jpeg21:27
GuySoftcamera module..21:27
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GuySoftStskeeps, it has a few calls to uname -r .. and they point it to the wrong folder..21:29
Stskeepsmm - edit to the right one, the kernel sys is a bit weird on maemo21:29
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GuySoftjust got it makeing, and got this: WARNING: Symbol version dump /targets/DIABLO_ARMEL/usr/src/kernel-source-diablo/Module.symvers           is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions.21:36
GuySoftdoes that make sense?21:36
Stskeepsfair enough i guess21:36
GuySoftis it missing?21:37
Stskeepsdid you compile the kernel, for good measure?21:37
GuySoftStskeeps, i did not..21:38
GuySofti can try21:38
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GuySoftill work on it21:38
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christendocStill a work in progress, but notes are up on linux-omap/stlc44xx for gentoo n810. www.nosocomia.com/n810-gentoo22:26
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Stskeepschristendoc: "I make no promises that it won't run away with your teenage daughter, step on your petunias, or melt your N810 into dead, blue cacodemon eye-goo"22:30
Stskeeps<322:30
GuySoftdone compiling the kernel.. this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/m7d2efbb422:30
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Stskeepschristendoc: if you can, document what things you would prefer to have redistributable, and how a OS can allow gentoo to co-exist22:31
Stskeepsand what problematiques you have with the closed stuff22:32
* GuySoft is annoyed he carnt get modules compiled.. cant get wxpython compiled..22:32
Stskeepschristendoc: (serves both of us as we can point out why we need relicensing (prolly not open source) of some components)22:33
christendocStskeeps: good point.22:33
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christendocThe firmare blob for WLAN is almost acceptable. Intel makes the same argument for doing that. It interests me that atheros doesn't, but I don't know if freq/intensity control are hardware rather than firmware in ath chips.22:34
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christendocretu on the other hand is just a pain in the ass with no reasonable stemming cause.22:34
Stskeepsmm22:35
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Stskeepsi hope we'll have a bit of cross-distro cooperation with the pre-userland stuff, atleast22:35
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Stskeepswb qwerty12_N80022:36
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qwerty12_N800thanks Stskeeps, stupid watchdog :p22:36
christendocStskeeps: Do you know if the promises to open DSME in freemantle will affect retu chip? I can't really tell what DSME is.22:37
Stskeepschristendoc: no, dsme has nothing to deal with retu afaik22:37
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Stskeepsbesides that, we just need to make a justification of why we need ability to redistribute let's say, retutime, or the likes22:38
christendocYeah. I think it's you that first clued me into retutime. I've played with it a little now, but I'd prefer to stay initfs free and handle power management (DSME?) and freakin' hardware clock in my OWN init scripts.22:39
Stskeepsmm. we're pondering that initfs can be a good thing, or at least some kind of partition with some blobs and rescue capability22:39
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christendocAre you and johnx the leads on deblet?22:40
christendoc(are there more than the two of you?)22:40
Stskeepsyeah, johnx started the debian port22:40
Stskeepsdeblet is kinda dead now, mer is the next thing22:40
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christendocGot it.22:40
Stskeepshaving a small fs where we have the hw-specific stuff that are blobs (firmware, retutime, other strange things), could be nice to have22:41
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christendocI've been out of deblet/debian tinkering since about September. johnx helped me with some early stuff back then, though.22:41
Stskeeps*nod*22:41
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: error byte-compiling files (625)22:41
Stskeepsthis kinda stuff is what the eabi thing solves?22:41
Stskeeps(the other qemu)22:41
qwerty12_N800probably... i've had success in bytecompiling mypaint and flipclock and otheres. I also get none of that sem_post function not implemented crap22:43
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Stskeepschristendoc: lets say community got permission to distribute a small flash fs with the firmware, retutime and other blobs, would this be satisfactory for gentoo use? so it would be chroot /mnt/hwsupport retutime and such maybe22:44
Stskeepsand you can ln -s to the firmware and such22:44
Stskeepsideally that info should just be public, but i don't think that's going to happen :P22:45
christendocI've got no other work-around right now, so sure. That would work. What license do you propose? (What will allow redistribute, but not alter?)22:45
Stskeepsno clue - i think it's for discussion with nokia about that22:46
Stskeepsi think a simple redistribute as part of firmware images and such, for use on nokia internet tablets, or something :P i have -no- clue what kind of license would fit22:47
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t_s_ohttp://www.yankodesign.com/2008/12/15/toasty-charger/ <- anyone for a toasty battery? ;)22:48
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Stskeepswb meiz22:50
Stskeepschristendoc: and if we did have a initfs, would being able to be kexec'ed through a bootmenu be alright for you?22:51
Stskeepsso you dont rely on what kernel is flashed22:52
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Stskeepsb-man: ta for launcher23:04
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b-manhello, i just sent it to you. :)23:04
Stskeepsyea, just saw it23:04
b-manwhat do you think?23:05
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Stskeepsgood, - still would like to see the tar.gz extractor though, as that will be first way to really present to people23:05
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Stskeepsjust something that quite simply, maybe with zenity, can set up a way for people to try and boot mer based on a tar.gz url or whatever23:06
b-manthat is mostly just a mock-up, i'm still working on the actual installer.23:06
Stskeeps*nod*23:06
fiferboyIs gstreamer one of those unfortunate things that doesn't work in the ARMEL environment in scrathbox?23:07
qwerty12_N800I don't think you have sound emulation in armel target23:08
qwerty12_N800sound works in x86 target23:08
qwerty12_N800and i think i'm jumping too far :/23:08
fiferboyWell, as long as it works in one environment23:09
* Stskeeps ponders idly23:09
Stskeepswhy on earth does scratchbox insist on using a compiler in a native (-X86) environment..23:10
christendocStskeeps: sorry, was away. Yeah, kexec would work. I'd personally prefer a clean kernel->boot setup, but if anyone else ever wanted gentoo-810, I'd setup a kexec chain for ease of use.23:11
Stskeeps*nod*23:11
Stskeepswell its good if we can show versatilelity, boot into mer, maemo, gentoo, android, if you want ;)23:12
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christendocThat would be impressive.23:15
christendocIs anyone booting android directly yet? (I've kinda been in my own little gentoo world ... in case you couldn't tell)23:15
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Stskeepsyeah, solca23:17
Stskeepshe's the one working on kexec and such too23:18
Stskeepsyou two should sit down and talk23:18
Stskeeps:P23:18
christendocHow often does he show up here?23:18
Stskeepsoften, just go "solca, ping?" and he'll answer when he's around :P23:19
Stskeepshe has the 2.6.28-rc6 going with wifi as well so23:20
christendocnice!23:20
christendocI had a git kernel patched up, and I was trying to patch the stl45xx code for the gpio change in 2.6.28; I gave up :)23:20
* christendoc feel a little denser than usual...23:21
christendocJust saw there's a git for stlc45xx23:21
Stskeepshehe23:22
Stskeepshttp://guug.org/nit/23:22
Stskeepsespecially the nitdroid part would be interesting to you23:22
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christendocNice site -- all of it. Solca's I assume?23:24
Stskeepsyeah23:24
christendocyeah, saw his name 2 seconds later. I'm batting 1000 today.23:25
christendochave you tried the nthCode android-n810 as well (found from solca's mention on his site)23:26
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b-man@Stskeeps; Here's option layout of the actual installer; step 1, user selects weather to use advanced or simple installer from a zenity diolog, step 2,  for both advanced and simple installer, user selects weather he/she wants the installer to partition their mmc if so, the installer automaticly partition/formats mmc and starts installing, if not, installer simply skips to installing; advanced user would be asked the same thing bu23:30
b-mant if user selects yes, installer would ask user weather to use sfdisk or cfdisk and then launch what thay have selected in the terminal and then be asked what rootfs format thay want (ext2 or ext3). step 3, simple but fast, download a rootfs.tar.gz and extract in partition or advanced but slow, bootstrap mer to partition. step 4 start installation.i'm still orginizing the layout a bit so things will likely change.23:30
r2d2rogersrandom...is there a way to view devices on a NIT like lspci ?23:30
b-manaaah, stupid keyboard!23:31
qwerty12_N800r2d2rogers, there's lsusb & lshal depending on what you want23:31
b-mansorry about the doubble-post. :p23:32
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b-manwait, did i doubble post or did my irc client think i doubble posted?23:33
r2d2rogersqwerty12_N800: thanks23:33
b-mannever mind.....23:33
Stskeepsr2d2rogers: how's progress?23:34
r2d2rogersb-man: looks like it was just a long post split here23:34
Stskeepsb-man: and fine, sounds good23:34
r2d2rogersStskeeps: not much, having fun re-learning compiling23:34
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Stskeepshehe23:34
Stskeepswe have a scratchbox sdk now23:34
r2d2rogerspatching too..23:34
Stskeepsthat might help :P23:34
r2d2rogersyeha23:34
r2d2rogersI saw the jaiku23:34
Stskeepsk23:34
r2d2rogersI'll have to load that at home when I get time23:35
Stskeepsyou may have to set CFLAGS to target armv5el23:35
r2d2rogerstrying to decide what I want to focus on, the network, or the input (enter key) issue23:35
Stskeepsas it's a 770 you're dealing with23:35
r2d2rogersgot it23:36
r2d2rogersI love habing a vim based wiki for my notes23:37
Stskeepshehe23:37
Stskeepssaw meiz's scrshot earlier? http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-10.png23:37
Stskeepswith a bit of copying of theme and icons23:37
qwerty12_N800you shouldn't have to set cflags for 770 unless you wish to optmise it for the 770 processor23:37
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i'm not confident what the arm compiler targets we took :P23:38
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, hehe, generally speaking then, cflags shouldn't be set :)23:39
r2d2rogersstatus on Mer770, can boot to responswive hildonesque desktop, can run programs from the menus, but cannot get the enter key to work from matchbox-keyboard or the center fo rthe D-pad23:39
Stskeeps*nod*23:39
r2d2rogerssapwood-server not running23:39
Stskeepsmay be a matter of xmodmap stuff or xkbdata23:39
r2d2rogerscan use usb networking23:39
r2d2rogershAh23:39
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r2d2rogershildon-input-method wants more plugins? something like that... is there something more I can add to try that?23:40
Stskeepsmm. sec23:40
r2d2rogersk23:40
Stskeepshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221728&postcount=1923:41
r2d2rogersthanks23:41
r2d2rogerswill dig23:41
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r2d2rogersI guess the other big thing I'm hoping for from mer is getting the speaker working vs OS2008HE23:44
Stskeepsshouldnt be impossible i guess23:44
r2d2rogersabout what I figure :)23:45
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hendrywhich package contains the maemo on screen keyboard?23:53
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Stskeepshildon-input-method and friends23:53
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omicron23Hi. I cannot play flash movies in browser any more.even though it says swf plugin enabled in components.on n810 os2008.can you assist me in getting it working again?23:58

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