IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-12-14

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crashanddiehow can I find out what's taking up space on my internal memory card? (/media/mmc2)00:09
crashanddiedf -h tells me there's 1.2g used, du -sh shows only ~550Megs00:10
crashanddieno hidden files, they've all been deleted00:11
b-mantry re-formatting?00:11
crashanddiewell there's stuff I'd like to *not* remove?00:11
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crashanddieand I didn't say I wanted to remove anything at all, just find out what's taking up the room00:12
crashanddieyou know, it's like when you're cleaning out your room, you want some more space, but if you find a hot girl, you don't put her in the trash00:12
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b-mantry this; go into your browser, type in file:///media/mmc2/ - you could have hidden files. (anything with . before the word)00:14
crashanddie[22:11] (crashanddie) no hidden files, they've all been deleted00:14
crashanddieanyway, I took your advice, just formatted00:15
crashanddieweird though that a stock n810 has corrupt memory00:15
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, wow, you bought another n810?00:16
qwerty12_N800damn :/00:16
crashanddiewell I had to replace the old one00:16
crashanddieand didn't want to wait on the nx0000:16
qwerty12_N800yeah, i was just hoping (blindly) that you'd get your old one back00:16
crashanddieit's been stolen00:17
crashanddiein another city, in another country00:17
crashanddieyou rarely get your stuff back00:17
b-manthat sucks00:17
woglindehi qwerty00:17
crashanddiebut hey, the hotel's paying for it, so fuck it :)00:17
qwerty12_N800hey woglinde00:17
crashanddieI had it for a week or sumtin00:17
crashanddiejust never unboxed it, haven't had the time00:17
crashanddieTransmission any good on the n810?00:18
crashanddieI figure that if I'm going to be downloading shit, I might as well download it straight to the device, any recommendations,00:18
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qwerty12_N800I've hildonized quite a few parts of it so I'd be biased if I said yes00:19
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crashanddieI was more thinking along the lines of "NOOOOOO IT'LL KILL YOUR FLASH MEMORY"00:20
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, got yourself a decent sd card?00:21
qwerty12_N800hehe, dunno, i never  download large files through the tablet (>600MB) & i can replace my sd card00:22
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, class 2 sandisk 8gb, slow but pretty stable00:22
crashanddieyou have an n80000:23
qwerty12_N800and? :P00:23
crashanddieyou should be beating the shit out of us with 2x 32gig SD cards00:23
qwerty12_N800hehe, i'm broke, what can I say :P00:23
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b-manany cool hacks that you've been working on qwerty?00:26
qwerty12_N800nope, been getting all my programs and games back after reflashing :D00:27
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, get a job you fucking chav00:27
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, some people here actually work hard every day so that fuckers like you get a somewhat decent pay00:27
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, i'm from the north, i'm offended that you called me a chav :(. Hehe, i will do when I start college00:28
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, so get your fucking ass off to the jobcenter YAY, and get busting those nuts off on junior day00:28
qwerty12_N800i know.. i'm a lazy bellend :(00:28
crashanddieIf I don't watch it, I'm going to go ghetto style here00:29
crashanddieYeah dawg, wassup with da gang00:29
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qwerty12_N800Do I know you? :P00:29
crashanddietranmission CPU intensive much?00:29
qwerty12_N800Yeah, pretty much the same with anything that writes to the card :(00:30
crashanddieit's so bad the actual screen doesn't display anymore00:31
crashanddiewell, i'd better get it downloading on my laptop if I want to watch something in the plane tomorrow00:31
crashanddiedual wifi network cards for the wiiiiin00:31
qwerty12_N800Hehe, yeah, speeds aren't mindblowing on the tablet :P00:31
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crashanddielol... "Status: Stalled" ... No, really?00:33
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qwerty12_N800yay, the sarcasm engine i built into works :)00:34
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crashanddiebrb, hopping to the neighbour's network, much better download speeds00:35
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qwerty12_N800welcome back00:37
crashanddie_actually... I wonder00:37
crashanddie_does the bbc iPlayer downloaded files play on the n810?00:37
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christendocFor anyone still interested, here's a quick-made howto gentoo on n810. Throw angry email my way when you encounter ommisions/errors:00:45
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qwerty12_N800Will I become like the skeleton in the first pic due to going crazy over compilw times? :P :)00:47
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infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: Will I become like the skeleton in the first pic due to going crazy over compile times? :P :)00:47
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christendocqwerty12_N800: almost definitely00:48
christendocI've been rebuilding gcc for over a day now00:48
christendoc(and I've obviously done it before)00:48
christendocEventually, I'll get cross-dev working for this, but that's a little down the priority list, still.00:49
mavhcwhat sin are you repenting for?00:49
christendocAdulterous love of Gentoo, I suppose :)00:50
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qwerty12_N800Interesting, how come you specify -mcpu=strongarm110?00:51
qwerty12_N800I use something like arm1136-jf-s00:51
christendocIt's in the armv4l stages. I'll be moving to armv6j when I get all recompiled my way.00:51
woglinde-mcpu=strongarm110 has performance impatc00:51
woglindeI guess00:52
qwerty12_N800Ah right00:52
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qwerty12_N800christendoc, regarding retu and time, tried a 'chroot /mnt/initfs retutime' and played around?00:53
christendocnot yet. My first priority is switching kernel to linux-omap. Then I'll see about retu and the stlc45xx module.00:54
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crashanddie_qwerty12_N800, you will become that skeleton regardless of the OS you use01:03
qwerty12_N800crashanddie_, why, thank you for those warming words01:04
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crashanddie_no problem01:05
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GAN800You catch the git for Garage stuff01:06
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crashanddie_GAN800, yes, it is a conspiracy from freenode to hide your only sentence of the evening in an ocean of quit/join floods01:06
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crashanddie_GAN800, yes, I half read the fact that Git might make it to the Garage01:07
crashanddie_good news01:07
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guysoft42hey, um, is it only me, or does maemo-recorder clash with gstreamer-0.10-plugins-extra?01:10
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GAN800crashanddie, ferenc was looking for any additional input from people that had asked previously01:11
GAN800I said I'd bug them, but since you and jott have dropped off the radar. :P01:11
woglindegood nite01:14
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crashanddie_GAN800, aye01:20
crashanddie_GAN800, I usually still answer my email01:20
crashanddie_GAN800, and quite frankly, can't be arsed to organise my priorities at the moment01:20
crashanddie_so maemo is pretty much at the bottom01:21
GAN800Right, that. :P01:21
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crashanddie_fin moi j'en ai pas grand chose à branler, elle fait la pute, j'm'en lave les mains, puis, célib c'est mieux de toute manière01:27
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christendocDon't worry about it. We anglophones were all impressed. :)01:34
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crashanddie_don't need to speak french to impress you ;)01:35
* GAN800 is highly offended.01:35
* GAN800 plays with the banhammer01:35
crashanddie_GAN800 wanna be offended?01:35
crashanddie_American is the new French01:35
GAN800I'm always offended01:35
GAN800American is a language? :P01:36
crashanddie_I was more thinking in terms of nationality01:36
crashanddie_Beanie, check. Scarf, check. Leather gloves, check. Bag packed, check. Laptop packed, check. Passport, check. Plane tickets, check.01:37
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crashanddie_New n810 loaded with 32gig worth of movies, tv shows and music, check. Double battery pack loaded and ready to go, check.01:39
crashanddie_Yes siree, I'm ready to go :)01:39
GAN800gtfo, then.01:39
crashanddie_Plane is only at 11 tomorrow morning01:40
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laubersmhello - I am finally looking to update my N80001:58
laubersmIt has OS 2007 and I think I have all the instructions and download01:58
laubersmbut I vaguely remember something about the fm radio app going away01:59
laubersmI use that app01:59
qwerty12_N800no, it's still in os200801:59
laubersmok good01:59
qwerty12_N800but you have to install it from the app manager yourself02:00
laubersmif I run into trouble - is the the right place for update help?02:00
laubersmI can install it myself02:00
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jakemaheuhello all02:10
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jakemaheuguess what I installed today?02:11
zeenixjakemaheu: tell us02:12
jakemaheuwindows 702:13
jakemaheubuild 680102:13
jakemaheui've run xp pro for the past, um, as long as it's been out, and I'm seriously considering using this regularly02:13
zeenixhmm.. not sure anyone on this channel will be interested in that? :)02:14
jakemaheumeh, it still runs great02:14
zeenixunless you installed in on an internet tablet02:14
jakemaheui have most (read: all the important media and files) on a 200gb drive separated from my regular 80gb drive02:15
jakemaheumeh, don't make me pull a thoughtfix on you guys02:15
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jakemaheufor those who don't know:
jakemaheuis there a way to get GIMP without easy debain or the lot?02:26
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jakemaheuon the tablet02:28
jakemaheuis it feasable to simply compile it on the tablet with make?02:29
Mouseyi'd crosscompile if i were you.. and why are you trying to fit an elephant in a shoebox anyway?02:29
jakemaheui dunno, just curious02:30
jakemaheuhow big is it compiled?02:30
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Mouseythe gimp is gargantuhuge02:33
Mouseylike fitting whale in dingy02:34
jakemaheui love that word02:35
jakemaheui'm reading that log right now tho02:35
Mouseygood luck02:35
jakemaheuholy crap02:38
jakemaheui only have 8.12mb of free space on my internal flash02:38
jakemaheuso many people's complaints now make sense02:39
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is
jakemaheubooting from a flash card just seems so inconvenient to me02:42
jakemaheui dunno02:42
dystopiahow long did it take you to install windows 7? you could have done something worthwhile with that time instead...02:56
jakemaheuhonestly, like 30 min at most, prolly 2002:57
jakemaheui played with my tablet while i waited and my lappy with ubuntu02:57
qwerty12_N800hehe, windows 2000 took me 4 hours :p02:57
jakemaheuxp usually takes like a full hour02:58
jakemaheu(xp pro)02:58
jakemaheuit runs as smoothly as xp pro on my ancient system (amd athlon xp+ 2500, 1 gb ddr, 80gb hdd)02:59
jakemaheuoh, also radeon x1300 pro agp02:59
jakemaheumy comp sucks02:59
dystopiain belgium the poor get free 2nd hand PC from government03:01
dystopiamaybe including some nice government secrets a-la USBUK =]03:02
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dystopiain the UK, the MI6 beats YOU with an USB stick...03:02
StsN800tablet needs to bee mpte, udsble when drunlk!03:02
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dystopiahmm, i draw the line elsewhere... if you can use it on LSD its usable software03:03
jakemaheuthat's like using canola regualarly03:04
jakemaheubtw, hai stskeeps03:04
jakemaheuer, "stsN800"03:04
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jakemaheui'm breaking a habit and replacing it with altoids03:21
jakemaheuyou'll have to guess the habit tho03:24
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user_So Joseph and his pregnant fiancee turn up on Xmas Eve and there is no room at the inn.03:47
user_Silly! You need to book weeks ahead at Xmas!03:48
user_Had they thought ahead they could have had a nice warm room in the pub.03:48
user_Mary would have had the benefit of a midwife while Joe03:48
user_was downstairs singing Xmas carols round the tree when the shepherds turned up.03:48
user_Then the three wise men would roll in and join in the party with wine and ale03:49
user_flowing like crazy. Once she drops the sprog, Mary comes down03:49
user_and joins in the booze-up. "It's a boy!" and cigars all round.03:49
user_THAT's the proper way to start a religion.03:50
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user_Happy Xmas everyone.03:53
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whoopersweet ,my android flash worked!04:21
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Mouseywasn't jesus born in the spring?04:32
whooperi thought it was in december, lol04:38
whooperwasn't the whole idea of christmas to celebrate the supposed birth of jesus?04:38
zakkmwasnt jesus jewish?04:38
whooperlol he's a heretic04:39
zakkmmaybe his "birth" was the day he came christian04:39
zakkmjust a guess ;p04:39
whooperthat would make sense04:39
whoopersome, at least04:39
zakkmyou know how its like uhh04:39
zakkmyou put yourself in water or something?04:39
zakkmand then your "born" ?04:39
zakkmi dont know christian religion .. sorry04:39
zakkmmaybe its that04:39
whoopersame here, i'm a pastafarian04:39
whoopergo FSM!04:39
zakkmwhats that.. i heard that before04:39
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whooperflying spaghetti monster04:40
whooperer, www.venganza.org04:41
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derfChristmas is in December because the winter solstice the pagans celebrated was in December.04:43
derfJust like Easter used to be a fertility rite (hence the easter eggs).04:43
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whooperwho here is running the NITdroid port?04:57
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jakemaheuis anyone still on here?05:23
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rm_youomfg finals almost done with07:49
rm_youi haven't been home in close to two weeks >_<07:50
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GracanaLucky. I had to go home last weekend.07:54
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RST38hmoo, rm_you09:11
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spsneohello all10:35
spsneoI want to contribute to maemo as a developer10:36
spsneohow to start?10:36
`0660there's quite a lot of documentation on the website10:37
pupnikhere is a preconfigured dev environment spsneo
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mavhcnow that's handy10:42
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spsneopupnik: thanks10:46
spsneopupnik: Actually i am a kernel hacker10:46
spsneoso I would like to do something in kernel internals10:46
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pupnikfanoush has done some modifications to kernels - high speed mmc access10:47
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pupnikyou could get the 3D GPU working with opengl :)10:47
spsneoanything else?10:48
spsneopupnik: is there any list of open projects?10:48
pupniki don't know anything bout kernels. has collaborative projects10:48
pupnikwow, i make a good bowl of ramen10:49
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spsneopupnik: ok let me check out10:50
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Meiz_merStskeeps: are you alive11:49
Meiz_meri cannot upload to picasa, so what was the scp command :question:11:50
Stskeepsjust woke up, massive hangover11:50
Meiz_meri installed something funny from deblet repo, dsme-tools i guess, and now the screen turns off automatically :P11:55
RST38hhe he he11:56
RST38hmoo sts11:56
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StskeepsMeiz_mer: yeah, that one is neat :P11:57
Stskeepswrote the .py's myself, with protocol hints from powerlaunch11:57
Meiz_merdoes somebody see anything weird in this pic
Stskeepsyes/no.. what client is it?11:58
Meiz_merpidgin yes11:58
Meiz_merbit mixing with echo theme :P11:58
Stskeepswell that's obviously neat11:58
Meiz_merecho theme is not working11:59
Meiz_merthe transparency11:59
Stskeepsonly mb theme or both?11:59
Meiz_merbut i forgot to change matchbox-theme, in start-hildon12:00
Meiz_merecho as a hildon theme looks ugly12:00
Meiz_merbecause transparency wont work12:01
Stskeepslack of some gfx prolly12:01
Meiz_merthere is a problem with gimp12:01
Meiz_meras in maemo three browsers are shown as one in the panel. so are gimp windows in mer, but it is impossible to choose witch one to open12:02
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Stskeepsyeah.. cos of it not really fitting into the hildon form factor12:03
Meiz_merdsmetool is missing12:03
Stskeepsand that's where stuff like qole's easy debian scripts come in12:03
Stskeepsyeah, ignore that12:03
Meiz_meresd naggs about it12:03
Meiz_merchanging volume from abv-bk crashes hildon12:04
Stskeepsyeah, probably12:04
Stskeepsit changes some gconf or something12:04
Stskeepswhich probably doesn't exist12:05
Meiz_mercrashing problem appeared when i installed osso-esd12:05
Stskeepsfact is we probably won't have osso-esd, but have pulseaudio with esound compat instead12:06
Meiz_merbluetooth works well12:07
Stskeepsok, command line or?12:07
Meiz_merapplet is not shown as default, but it is useless anyway12:08
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: ping12:35
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: pong12:43
Stskeepssuihkulokki: so, let's say i have an old install of glibc on my sb2-running computer, and a more updated glibc in the tools distribution. this causes problems doesn't it? (i have stuff like /bin/mkdir: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /bin/mkdir)12:45
Stskeepsjust something i noticed12:46
Stskeepsif i did let's say, gutsy tools distribution (similar to sb2-running machine), it works fine12:47
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Stskeepsmorning lcuk12:59
lcukurgle burgle.   good mornin Stskeeps, feels like i slept for about 2 hours13:00
qwerty12hey lcuk13:00
Stskeepslcuk: hangover too?13:00
lcukcould say that13:01
lcukand im at the bottom of my baccy pouch, its all dry n horrid13:01
* Stskeeps notes to himself a sdk will always take up a lot of space13:02
* lcuk notes that the partial sdk on my n810 doesnt take up *that* much space. i had to uninstall crysis to fit it though13:02
lcukive got a blister on my thumb from yesterdays bacon cooking.  the thing is, its shaped like a mini frying pan13:03
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lcukRST38h, did you see the post a couple of weeks back about tearfree rgb13:05
* lcuk taps his microphone13:07
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RST38hlcuk: no, what was it?13:12
RST38hwas it from Serge?13:13
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: hmm.. so the "mkdir" in tools distro still uses libs from host distro?13:24
* RST38h expects Tracker to become the most hated daemon in Fremantle13:24
suihkulokkithat sounds bad13:24
Stskeepssuihkulokki: it looks like this, yeah13:24
RST38hIt will eclipse our old friend the media crawler in the degree of hate!13:24
StskeepsRST38h: successor indeed13:25
suihkulokkithe whole point of tools distro should be to make you independent of host distro13:25
RST38hthe desktop version just ate 200+MB of my disk space13:25
Stskeepssuihkulokki: i guess noone really noticed it cos they're on updated distros :P13:28
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Stskeepswb meiz13:32
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Meiz_n810There is xchat for Mer but it depends on "gnomevfs" whatever13:32
Stskeepsyeah.. the old problem13:32
qwerty12Compile the maemo one then, I did it in a mer i386 chroot fine13:33
lcukshame theres noone here with an intimate knowledge of the irc protocol13:33
* Stskeeps doesn't know anything13:33
Stskeepssuihkulokki: the funny fact is, /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ doesn't exist in tools distribution.13:33
qwerty12lcuk, making liqirc?13:33
lcuka kickass clutterified irc client which also ties your friends in chan with real friends and keeps histories of convos amongst emails and stuff ;)13:34
christendocHowdy. I'm compiling n8x0-80.80.14 patches to the 2.6.27 patched linux-omap kernel, but it fails to flash. (maemo kernels flash fine). Any advice?13:34
christendocFile size a potential problem? (it's over 2M)13:34
Stskeepsmm, solca's a good place to ask those problems. but yes, 2m is the limit13:35
christendocThat helps. I'll get it under 2.13:35
lcukchristendoc, if you do a global search and replace through the code and remove all those extra silly ";" characters you will save loads of space when you compile it13:36
christendocoh really ...13:36
Meiz_n810solca is not here right now, but he has compiled 2.6.28 for n8x013:37
lcukya rly13:37
Stskeepssuihkulokki: and removing /usr/lib:/lib: etc from LD_LIBRARY_PATH makes it work again13:37
christendocnow that's one I would not have thought to try.13:37
christendocOk to build linux-omap in a maemo scratchbox or no?13:38
Stskeepssuihkulokki: (within sb2.config in target conf)13:38
christendocCan cross compile if need be.13:39
Stskeepswe usually do that :P13:41
christendocwhich? scratchbox or cross compile?13:41
Stskeepsscratchbox is a cross compilation toolkit :P13:42
christendocgood point ...13:42
suihkulokkiStskeeps: right, that''s worth pointing to the sdk+ people13:42
RST38hSts, suihkulokki: btw, has the latest sdk+ fixed the --host-tools option?13:43
Stskeepswell, it's more of a sb2 problem than sdk+, or are they the same thing? :P13:43
* RST38h would like to move away from etch finally13:43
StskeepsRST38h: i'm attempting to use jaunty/mer itself as tools distribution13:44
Stskeepsso far its working :P13:44
Stskeepsafter fixing the odd ld_library_path probelm13:45
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Stskeepswoo, progress. src/dash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped14:02
Stskeeps :P14:02
christendocGot it to 1.9 and it flashed. Thanks Stskeeps.14:05
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Stskeepssigh. it can build a full package, but fails at generating source package, or making md5sums.14:42
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t_s_ohrmf, im not sure what kind of estimative magic the N800 is doing, but no way can a 10% drop in battery pr 3 hours convert into a 6 day standby...15:14
lcukt_s_o, i always thought the logic was based on voodoo and by choosing random pixels from the camera sensor and stuff15:15
t_s_oyou may not be that far off ;)15:16
lcukbut if its busy doing something when asked the first time it may well under estimate based on specifically what it was doing right then, not a better average15:16
lcuk(incidentally, i would have said it uses the planetary alignment, but that requires gps :D :P)15:17
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mavhcgood idea to use the camera for random number generator though15:19
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GAN800t_s_o, the standby time is based on a pessimistic idle consumption rate15:19
lcukmavhc, but if we use all the randomness from the camera, we will be left with useless images of peoples faces and stuff :P15:20
lcukmornin GAN800 :)15:20
lcuk :D seen this?15:20
t_s_oGAN800: strange then that in my case results in a highly optimistic standby duration...15:32
lcukask the same question when your machine is totally idle and you will get a different answer to if its busy15:34
GAN800t_s_o, because you're not actually getting to idle. . .15:34
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GAN800Something's using cycles, you're connected to wifi, whatever.15:34
t_s_oi worry about that, but from what i can tell, the only likely offender is hildon-desktop...15:35
lcukt_s_o, gan is right, it could have nothing to do with current cpu state15:35
lcuktheres more in the box than can be checked by looking at load average15:35
lcuk;) you might be running your powervr chip :P15:35
t_s_ohaving a terminal app write to internal flash every 30 min should not have this big a impact, should it?15:35
lcukdepends if "something" is a 400mb file or not15:36
t_s_onah, just some quick ascii to collect the data for battery-graph ;)15:36
lcukand what mechanism do you use for waiting for 30minutes?15:36
GAN800t_s_o, leaving xterm open messes up idling15:36
t_s_oye crud...15:36
lcukit might be more practical to consider a true monitoriing daemon15:37
GAN800We need powertop15:37
t_s_oor something similar...15:37
Stskeepsyeah, isn't powertop possible with our new 2.6.28 working kernels and wifi?15:38
t_s_ohmm, seems i can run the logger without using xterm, just need to kill it in some other way at a later date...15:40
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keesjSinterklaas FTW15:54
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Stskeepshi hi15:58
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Meiz_n810where can i get maemo-xchat source?16:03
jakemaheumorning everybody16:03
StskeepsMeiz_n810: on extras probably16:03
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Meiz_n810i was looking from "non-source" dir16:04
jakemaheugrah I think windows 7 has liek one bug, but i'm not sure if it's my router or windows 716:05
jakemaheuwhen it disconnects every so often, it reconnects and people on my wireless network get kicked off (even wired connections)16:06
Stskeeps's beta/early beta.., dude :P16:06
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jakemaheuand i'm using vista drivers16:06
jakemaheuit seems to be holding up better now, tho16:06
Meiz_n810is win7 better than vista? (the early-beta) :P16:07
jakemaheui've only played with vista a bit, but 7 is WAAAY better16:09
jakemaheuif you get it, get build 680116:09
jakemaheuthe newest one is biggy i hear16:09
jakemaheubrb, breakfast16:09
qwerty12_N800hrm, tempting but i hate having to reinstall grub16:10
Meiz_n810qwerty: you built maemo-xchat for i386?16:10
Meiz_n810how can i get libconic0-dev16:11
qwerty12_N800Meiz_n810, yes16:11
qwerty12_N800i built my own but i think stskeeps has it16:11
qwerty12_N800in his repo16:11
Meiz_n810libconic0-dev? apt says notfound... is libconic0-dev source is extras-devel?16:12
qwerty12_N800no, in sdk repo16:12
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jakemaheu@qwerty: i just installed it on a spare 20gb drive, took like 20-30 min to install16:14
jakemaheumy dad is a giant geek too, so we've got a stockpile of spare parts16:14
* Stskeeps ponders if scratchbox1 will save the day.16:14
jakemaheuwould you like to hear a story?16:15
Meiz_n810qwerty12_N800: thanks16:15
qwerty12_N800jakemaheu, alas, I don't have available. i killed my last 20gb trying to replace my xbox's hd :/16:15
qwerty12_N800s/have/have one/16:15
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: jakemaheu, alas, I don't have one available. i killed my last 20gb trying to replace my xbox's hd :/16:15
qwerty12_N800jakemaheu, no, just stopped spinning:/16:15
jakemaheustatic killed it?16:15
jakemaheuwhat kind?16:16
qwerty12_N800some old ibm, circa 200116:16
jakemaheuah, i see16:16
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jakemaheuif it was a barracuda, you'd probably still have some warranty left16:16
jakemaheubrb, cereal16:16
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jakemaheunom i'm back16:21
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jakemaheuwho here has nitdroid?16:25
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: what was the non-shitty qemu for EABI in sb1 again?16:26
Meiz_n810what should i do when there is no configure file?16:27
Meiz_n810jakemaheu: NITdroid works pretty well now :)16:27
qwerty12_N800Meiz_n810, add ./ before configure in debian/rules16:27
jakemaheuanyone with an n800?16:28
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, can't remember. what's your problem?16:28
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: .. where do i start :P nah, i got it - qemu-arm-cvs-m16:28
Stskeepsbut i just think i managed to get it to work16:29
qwerty12_N800i actually use that patched qemu-arm-eabi with the python fix16:29
Meiz_n810where to get autoreconf?16:30
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, but i'm glad that you went the sb1 route (for now anyway) ;)16:30
StskeepsMeiz_n810: apt-get install autoconf16:31
qwerty12_N800Meiz_n810, do a apt-get install autotools-dev16:31
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: well. sb2 is sane, but it has some very annoying bugs16:31
Stskeepsand when they're fixed, sure..16:32
qwerty12_N800sb2 is a bug16:32
Stskeepsyes and no.. :P16:32
qwerty12_N800As a stubborn bastard, I disagree. :P16:33
Stskeepsi just want a working sdk honestly16:33
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Stskeepsi was -so- close with sb2 :P16:38
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Meiz_n810what should i do now? :P16:44
Meiz_n810configure: error: cannot find install-sh or in "." "./.." "./../.."16:44
StskeepsMeiz_n810: sh .. and sometimes packages are a bit fun :)16:44
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Stskeepsdpkg-deb: building package `dash' in `../dash_0.5.4-12ubuntu2_armel.deb'.16:45
Stskeepsoh fucking finally. excuse my french16:45
qwerty12_N800fucking disgusting language, i'm appalled to hear such things.16:46
Meiz_n810hmm16:47 error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL16:47
Stskeepsapt-get install libtool? :P16:48
Meiz_n810thanks :P16:49
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Meiz_n810rrr...this is not easy17:00
Meiz_n810test-proxies.c:78: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments17:00
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Stskeepsyeah, probably -Werror17:01
Stskeepswe use a new gcc and it is rather complainish17:02
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jake_maheuhullo guise17:13
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: you gonna be at your desktop machine sometime during today?17:33
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, in 30 mins for about 2 hours17:33
Stskeepsi have something for you to try then :P17:34
* qwerty12_N800 goes all giddy :P17:34
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jakemaheuhey guys17:36
jakemaheuif you clone your os to sd, can you still boot normally if you don't have the card in?17:37
qwerty12_N800yes, it just boots from flash17:37
jakemaheusweet, maybe i'll rty it now ;D17:38
jakemaheuer, **** i mean *try17:39
jakemaheulol i just got 55 mb of space back on my flash17:39
jakemaheuxulrunner and vlc17:39
jakemaheuvlc doesn't even work that well17:39
jakemaheuand i got rid of fennec, so xulrunner is useless17:39
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Stskeepslo b-man17:40
jakemaheuhey b-man17:40
qwerty12_N800hi b-man17:40
b-manit's going to be 54 F here today!17:40
Stskeepscold? :P17:41
* Stskeeps uses sane units17:41
b-mankinda, but it beets 2317:41
b-manbut the low will be 19 :P17:42
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yergammm, I don't remember if mce is going out for Fremantle? someone remember it?17:44
RST38hso they said, afaik17:45
GAN800yerga, OHM, I guess17:46
Stskeepsyerga: yes, dsme and mce going out, which is understandable17:46
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: when you're ready17:46
yergaah, thanks. I was seeing some interesting things in the mce header files of the Fremantle SDK...17:46
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, nice..17:47
Stskeepsyerga: there's probably a bit of backwards compatibility. what are you seeing?17:47
yergafor example: #define MCE_CALL_STATE_CELLULAR "cellular"17:48
Stskeepsyes, that is indeed interesting17:48
yergaand... #define MCE_ORIENTATION_PORTRAIT "portrait"17:48
yergaalso there's for landscape orientation17:49
Stskeepsyeah, finally :P17:49
Stskeeps#define MCE_ORIENTATION_FACE_DOWN"face_down"17:49
Stskeepskinda odd though..17:49
Stskeepsor on stand or off stand17:49
Stskeepsoh, i just found definate proof of accelerometer17:50
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* RST38h no longer remembers what 59oF is. Is it "fairly cold", "warm" or "freezing y17:50
RST38hour ass off"?17:50
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: " * @param code @c dbus_string_t with the old encrypted password from @c crypt(3)"17:50
Stskeepsseems like they noticed your CAL hack ;)17:50
b-mani've been working on improving the mer imager, it now uses a launcher that automaticly reads your settings from a file, formats your mmc if you want it to, and starts the imager with the set of instructions  you would put in the config file.17:51
RST38hyerga: May it be that they have decided to keep old #defines and add new ones with the same prefix?17:51
Stskeepsb-man: alright - patches welcome17:51
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Stskeeps"#define MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR"req_vibrator_enable""17:51
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, my cal hack? i never managed to do anything :(17:51
Stskeepsaw :P17:52
Stskeepsthe one about lock code17:52
RST38hSts: Does it mean that the next tablet will come in a different form factor? =)17:52
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, ah :D17:52
StskeepsRST38h: i'm not sure what the hell "facing down" means17:52
Stskeepsooh. vibrator patterns. heh heh17:53
b-man@Stskeeps; i'll send you the updated launcher sometime today.17:53
Stskeepsb-man: k17:54
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b-manI think i will start to make a nother version that uses zenity, so it is similar to use. I might also throw in swap support.17:59
b-manedit: simpler18:01
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Stskeepsyeah, - don't work too hard on it though, the imager is just supposed to be one that well, builds images, and we would probably redistribute tar.gz's and jffs2 instead18:01
b-mangood point.18:02
Stskeepsnoone wants to wait 3 hours for a OS install :P18:02
qwerty12or have watchdog reboot their tablet18:03
b-mani would, :p but that's just me.18:03
qwerty12Stskeeps, it may be worth mentioning that you need to have 'deb stable main'  in sources.list before being able to do a 'apt-get install scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6'18:04
Stskeepsah, i thought maemo-sdk added that18:04
Stskeepsit was there for me18:04
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GAN800pico projector18:08
* GAN800 thought this was google. <_<18:08
qwerty12Stskeeps, MER_ARMEL target setup.18:12
Stskeepsmight want to apt-get update first18:12
Stskeepsthere's minor problems with it still sadly18:13
qwerty12Hey, it's sb1, what do I care ;P18:13
Stskeepsbut compared to sb2, this actually does succeed occasionally18:13
qwerty12Stskeeps, yes... "dpkg: regarding .../perl-base_5.10.0-17ubuntu3_armel.deb containing perl-base: package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg"18:14
jakemaheui'm installing easy debian turbo-charged edition18:14
Stskeepsqwerty12: well that might be because of the devkit not being ubuntu18:14
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Stskeepsi hope whoever continues with sdk will try to get a ubuntu devkit in instead of something :P18:14
qwerty12meh, just did a dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.10.0-17ubuntu3_armel.deb18:15
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qwerty12Stskeeps, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot "Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82.18:17
qwerty12Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 172.Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 185." (and the same for lines 82,172)18:17
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Stskeepsqwerty12: -d18:17
qwerty12Damn, I didn't want to do that :(18:18
Stskeepswell, plenty of work to be done in this sdk.. at least we know it works :P18:18
Stskeeps.. sortof18:18
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qwerty12Stskeeps, even better, use dpkg-checkbuilddeps from debian-etch18:19
Stskeepsso making people choose debian-etch instead?18:20
qwerty12Probably would work better, diablo sdk uses debian etch by default18:20
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qwerty12I just went into /scratchbox folder as root and copied it from debian-etch into lenny's bin18:20
qwerty12Let me remove conic code from xchat, kinda pointless as we don't even have icd in mer18:21
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Stskeeps(yet) :P18:22
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Stskeepsqwerty12: think there's additional problems - ubuntu is on glibc2.9, this is for glibc2.5?18:29
qwerty12Stskeeps, trying again... configure failed on a glibc check18:29
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Stskeepsmm, 2008q3 seems to have glib2.8 at least18:30
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qwerty12hmm, I got a 2008 toolchain installed when I was messing around with gcc 4 and maemo18:31
Stskeepswell, mer should be more welcoming to 2008 at least :P18:32
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qwerty12Let me save your rootstrap to my harddisk, it's getting tiring just repeatedly downloading it :P18:33
b-mannow bootstraping mer - hope it works out!18:33
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Stskeepsgood luck18:34
Stskeepsrescue menu (hold down home while booting) is your best friend. select console mode as soon as you can18:34
b-mani think i will need it18:34
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jake_maheumy comp crashed18:34
Meiz_n810mm.. i should try to make a theme for hildon :P18:35
jake_maheuhey guys, i've got a question18:35
b-manyou shuld18:35
jake_maheuyou know easy debian turbo-charged edition?18:36
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jake_maheuwell, you ha ve to get the img file to untar so you can use the apps18:37
jake_maheuit's like 317mb, and it's downloading at 10kb/s18:37
jake_maheudoes anyone know where i can get another copy18:37
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qwerty12Stskeeps, cs2008 toolchain...
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, ran into that one too. export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig18:40
qwerty12ah, cool18:40
Stskeepsnfi why it breaks18:40
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qwerty12bollocks, let me autogen xchat again >.<18:41
jake_maheucan someone try accessing
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qwerty12Stskeeps, more glibc fun... "/lib/ undefined reference to `__libc_clntudp_bufcreate@GLIBC_PRIVATE'"18:44
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Stskeepsqwerty12: which toolchain is it?18:46
qwerty12Stskeeps, arm-linux-cs2008q3-4118:46
qwerty12(works for diablo)18:46
Stskeepscan you try ?18:47
lcuksanta had a 90minute waiting time - hyperactive kids in confined spaces are not good.18:49
lcukqwerty12, have your parents taken you to see santa this year yet?18:50
qwerty12lcuk, hehe, no :P18:50
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qwerty12The last time I saw a santa was in 2000 at the millennium dome18:51
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lcukqwerty12, thats only because you have been barred from seeing santa anywhere worldwide after you kicked the last one in the nuts.18:55
lcukthey have your photo on the wall at every grotto around the country18:55
Stskeepsfor not giving him a n810 for xmas? ;)18:55
qwerty12lol :D18:55
lcuki played with an iphone today18:56
Meiz_n810how was it?18:56
t_s_oburn, heretic...18:56
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qwerty12lcuk, I knew santa was bad if he has an iphone :(18:56
lcukmeiz, not as responsive or slick as i thought18:57
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Meiz_n810as showed in tv commercials? :P18:57
qwerty12Stskeeps, and again: /lib/ undefined reference to `__libc_clntudp_bufcreate@GLIBC_PRIVATE'. I'm gonna install the toolchain's glibc18:57
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lcukyeah, i suppose its training and stuff, but it didnt respond to my finger properly18:58
lcukhiya simon18:58
Stskeepsqwerty12: lovely..18:58
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qwerty12hello lardman18:58
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, i guess that's a possibility18:58
lardmanhi qwerty1218:58
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lardmanhi lcuk18:58
lcukialso looked at a load of phones, and the overwhelming feeling i had was - they are tiny18:59
Stskeepsqwerty12: thanks for the effort though so far18:59
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Stskeepslcuk: i would be afraid of breaking something like the iphone :P18:59
qwerty12Stskeeps, np, let me keep trying18:59
Stskeepsbut if it is sturdy enough..19:00
lcuknahhh they appear to be built well19:00
lcukjake played as well and we didnt get kicked out so its not that bad19:00
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lcuk(though i thought we would when he kept pulling the phone leashes out as far as they would go and sent the display models hurling back across the shop19:00
qwerty12hehe, I was walking back from school and I passed this person with a flip phone playing some dodgy ringtone. He dropped the phone and the ringtone stopped to be replaced with the man's swearing. I grinned all the way back.19:00
lcuklardman, did you have a good weekend19:01
lardmanlcuk: yes thanks, you?19:02
lcukyeah so far, apart from this morning being woken up with what i thought was machinegun fire19:02
Stskeepsdrilling neighbours?19:03
lcuk(jake was running round the house with a string of beads and got em stuck under the door - he pulled and yanked and they clattered lots and scared the crap out of me)19:03
qwerty12I thought you could only get rubber bands in the north as weapons19:03
lcukheh no, tracy almost used fluffy pink slippers as a weapon against luke last night :D19:03
lardmanseems lcuk is often woken by the sound of real machine gun fire?19:03
lardmanI suppose he lives in Manchester, c'est la vie hey? ;)19:03
lcukshe went and picked him up from a party and threatened to walk in the pub in her slippers to get him19:04
qwerty12It's a trait not just common to Manchester but the entire North :P19:04
lcukoi southern boy19:04
lcukoi x 2 fak southern boy19:04
qwerty12hehe :P19:04
lcuki need to get some time to myself soon, ive got some coding that needs doing19:05
qwerty12Stskeeps, success!19:05
qwerty12Meiz_n810, willing to test xchat? :D19:05
Stskeepsqwerty12: woo!19:05
Meiz_n810qwerty12: when i get home19:06
Meiz_n810i'm on GRPS now19:06
qwerty12Stskeeps, I removed locale support from xchat , had a bit of trouble there :/19:07
qwerty12Meiz_n810, heh :/19:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah suspect it mgiht be odd19:07
* lardman ponders wireless speakers19:07
Stskeepsqwerty12: at least it's good we have something that makes it build.. :P19:07
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qwerty12hehe, yes. Now it's time to delete all those surplus toolchains, I'm down to 3.2gb free on my linux partition :P19:08
Stskeepsso the recipe was the toolchain i pointed to, copying in libc from toolchain?19:08
lardmanqwerty12: rm -rf ~/.porn/19:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, yep19:09
qwerty12lardman, tried that, only got me back 1gb :(19:09
Stskeepssdk \o/19:09
lardmanqwerty12: ah19:09
lardmanqwerty12: rm -rf ~/.porn-videos/19:09
qwerty12ah, that's better! 5gb back :D :P19:09
qwerty12Stskeeps, depends line says: libc6 (>= 2.8) - good?19:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: think it's a libc6 2.919:11
Stskeepsso yeah19:11
Stskeepswe'll see19:11
qwerty12cool :P19:11
qwerty12now it's time to fix the mypaint package i put in extras-devel :P19:11
lardmananyone have digital wireless headphones here? And not a2dp please19:12
qwerty12lardman, I used to have a pair of sony ones (used rf)19:13
lardmanwere they analogue encoding, like a radio, or was the data transfer digital?19:13
lardmanI've tried the former and they are noisy and not too great19:13
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qwerty12I don't actually remember, sorry19:13
qwerty12They were just connected to the tv so I can't really judge the sound19:14
lardmanI think I need to go with a digital encoding to avoid getting the hiss19:14
* lardman also looks for a new 5.1 amp with wireless speakers19:14
qwerty12yeah, hissing ruins the lovely sound of Lethal Bizzle :P19:14
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lardmanI think I've finally removed the last trace of that thing!19:15
qwerty12I believe you, really... :P19:15
lardmanyeah, perhaps that last copy I've kept to test the new sbc encoder....19:16
lcuklardman, don't let qwerty or woglinde near any of your stuff :P it will reappear19:16
b-man50% done with mer installation, so far so good :)19:16
qwerty12lcuk, I thought that reappearing was a good thing personally :P19:16
lcukmailto: qwertysschool   subject:missing interactive whiteboards...19:17
qwerty12I'll say it's an invasion from the North, they need it more than us :P19:17
jake_maheu@qwerty12: thanks for the mypaint package, once it's up19:19
b-maninteractive whiteboards? - we call them smartboards19:19
qwerty12jake_maheu, it's actually in extras-devel, I just want to fix the icon size and duplicate dependencies :/19:19
jake_maheuwe use a projector and a bluetooth drawing tablet19:19
b-mansame as us19:20
jake_maheu@qwerty12: OH19:20
jake_maheuer, caps lock isn't cruise control for cool19:20
MouseyYES IT IS!19:20
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qwerty12i FoRgIvE yOu19:20
Stskeepsdear god19:20
qwerty12Stskeeps seems to be getting creeped out19:20
jake_maheu@qwerty: i don't see it in devel19:21
jake_maheuin app mugger19:21
qwerty12jake_maheu, using diablo?19:21
qwerty12should be there, it's showing up here:
jake_maheui'll try refreshing19:22
b-manenyone know whi there is a package called python-sexy? :p19:22
qwerty12bindings for libsexy iirc :P19:22
briandit's to help the nerdy types with the wimmen.  ;)19:23
qwerty12we can see briand installs it a lot :P19:23
jake_maheufound it19:23
jake_maheuyou just need a refresh in app mugger19:23
jake_maheuinstalling now19:24
briandjust once, qwerty12... and now i have to find a good scheduling app for the n800... too many women demanding my personal time19:24
b-manwouldn't that be a good thing??19:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: hm, i didn't have success19:25
Stskeepssame error and all19:26
qwerty12Stskeeps, hmm, let me retrace my steps properly. give me a few mins19:26
jake_maheudone installing, testing now19:26
disco_stuwhat could happen if i boot from sd and have it locked to be read-only ?19:27
Stskeepsdisco_stu: wouldn't boot that well19:27
b-manbad things will happen!19:27
disco_stui will try19:27
b-manoh god19:28
qwerty12Stskeeps, MER_ARMEL is using arm-linux-cs2008q3-72 toolchain, with cputransp & debian-etch toolkits and qemu-arm-cvs-m as transparency method, your rootstrap extracted and I chose to install C-library, /etc & Devkits19:28
qwerty12nothing bad can happen, the card is RO :D19:28
Stskeepsqwerty12: mmk19:28
Stskeepslemme retrace myself19:28
Mouseyfamouse last words!19:28
disco_stuyeah i see it that way19:28
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disco_stui´ll try it now19:29
jake_maheuhey qwerty19:29
jake_maheui think i found a bug19:29
qwerty12yeah jake_maheu? :)19:29
b-manwelcome to my world19:30
jake_maheuin mypaint, clearing works once per startup19:30
jake_maheulike, start, draw, clear, draw, clear doesn't work19:30
Stskeepsqwerty12: do you rm the "new" libc?19:31
Stskeeps(2.9 one in rootstrap)19:31
qwerty12Stskeeps, nothing like that19:31
jake_maheuwhat do you think?19:32
qwerty12jake_maheu, you're right, thanks!19:32
Stskeepsqwerty12: i suspect installing lib* stuff that would call ldconfig would fuck up the symlinks maybe..19:32
jake_maheuno prob, love the app anyways19:33
jake_maheuthanks for compiling it19:33
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qwerty12The hildonizations were done by anders_gud, I just applied his patches on to the 0.5.1 release and put it in extras :)19:33
disco_stunothing happens19:34
qwerty12Stskeeps, ouch :/19:34
lcukbriand, the scheduling app needs a camera, it has to take a picture and upload it, and the hotter she is gains her more time19:35
jake_maheuany idea why clearing a second time doesn't work?19:35
disco_stui found that my card was already locked19:35
qwerty12jake_maheu, no idea, i'll let you know if I can figure it out..19:35
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, that was what happened19:38
Stskeepsb-man: mail,
b-manthanks :p19:39
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b-manmer instalation complete, woho!!19:40
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jake_maheuwhat does mer look like?19:41
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MaceN800so what's going on with mer?19:43
MaceN800come out with the sdkyet?19:43
b-manwhat does it look like? i have no idia, i haven't booted it yet :p19:43
MaceN800haven't booted it yet?19:43
b-manit looks kinda like maemo19:43
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Stskeepsyeah, for now19:44
jake_maheui kinda like it19:44
Stskeepsthe idea is the possibility to run other DE's too19:44
b-mancould it be possible to install gnome on it now??19:45
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Stskeepsnot sure, think you'd have to do mutually exclusive things atm19:45
Stskeepswe have a problem with libgnomevfs219:45
Stskeepsqwerty12: success when removing 2.9 libs..19:45
GAN800Stskeeps has executed a channel takeover.19:45
qwerty12Stskeeps, nice19:46
Mouseyc-c-c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker!19:46
StskeepsGAN800: sorry, what was maemo again? :P19:46
Stskeeps(kidding :P)19:46
GAN800Stskeeps, seriously, it's all freaking Mer spam. :p19:46
jake_maheucrap my blood sugar is 5519:46
StskeepsGAN800: hehe19:46
ShadowJK_jake_maheu, that's kind high19:47
jake_maheuer, wrong system for you19:47
ShadowJK_Oh yeah, different scales?19:47
qwerty12b-man, when it boots, could you try something out for me? :P19:48
jake_maheu3.05 for you19:48
ShadowJK_Oh, so that means you can have more caek?19:48
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jake_maheuactually, glucose tabs19:48
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jake_maheunom raspberry19:48
qwerty12b-man, thanks! Could you install and see if it runs :D (I've checked the deb, it runs no postinst scripts nor installs any libs so it should be safe to install)19:49
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jake_maheu@shadowjk: are you a diabetic?19:49
Stskeepsb-man: small warning beforehand.. only usbnet works from stock install and you need to activate it in rescue menu :P19:49
jake_maheutype 1 here19:49
MouseyShould Be Safe(tm)19:49
b-manhow do i do that, i don't have a hw keyboard19:50
Meiz_n810colud network-manager work without modifications with that open-source wifi driver in Mer?19:50
Stskeepsb-man: hold down home key when you've just selected mer in the menu and pressed center to run it19:50
Stskeepsand rescue menu comes up, like in deblet :P19:51
b-manduh, whi did i not think of that :p19:52
qwerty12Stskeeps, maemo-mapper has an option to be built w/out libgpsmgr btw19:52
Stskeepsqwerty12: alright19:53
ShadowJK_jake_maheu, no i'm not19:53
qwerty12Stskeeps, though with hacks, I did get it to compile with libgpsmgr in the i386 chroot, no idea how it would work on device...19:53
disco_stusomeone knows why finger/stylus distinguish isnt working for me19:54
b-manok, see you guys in an hour or so, i'm going to do some stuff in mer.19:54
Stskeepsqwerty12: similar19:54
Stskeepshave fun, b-man19:54
b-mansee ya19:54
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Meiz_n810i tried mobile-basic-flash... only black box..19:56
Meiz_n810grid-home segfaults and flash home is only black box19:57
ShadowJK_disco_stu, heh, only worked the first day for me :)19:57
Meiz_n810kourou does not work in Mer too, but who needs them :P19:57
disco_stuShadowJK_, lol.. guess i'll have to let it go19:58
ShadowJK_sometimes I accidentally manage to bring up the fingertyping screen, dunno how19:58
disco_stumaybe is something with rotation kernel patch, dont know19:59
disco_stuShadowJK_, oh no! it is working19:59
t_s_ohmm, seems battery-status is a python script with a internal loop. may explain why it seems to burn battery when used to monitor long term battery use...19:59
ShadowJK_what does the loop do?20:00
disco_stuyou have to punch the text-box20:00
t_s_oreads a dbus entry every x min20:00
Stskeepsi thought it got broadcast once in a while20:01
qwerty12iirc, battery requests for it20:01
qwerty12*battery applet20:01
disco_stuyou need to tap stronger and faster with your finger20:01
ShadowJK_the figure reported by lshal doesn't update on its own, seems to need prodding by battery-status or the battery applet needing to refresh itself20:02
t_s_othe dbus "address" is /com/nokia/bme/request20:02
* lardman joins in the diabetics convention, being type 1 himself20:03
MaceN800so it's ready to install :)20:03
t_s_oShadowJK_: now that you mention it, i kinda recall that being the reason for battery-status using dbus in the first place...20:03
MaceN800i'll install it when i get home20:03
MaceN800damn.. su8w battery is going to die20:03
StskeepsMaceN800: which? sdk? only if you're vaguely insane and dont mind rm'ing stuff20:03
MaceN800i need an n80020:03
MaceN800well.. i meant mer20:04
* disco_stu is afraid of diabetes because he drinks lots of pepsi20:04
MaceN800i haven't really looked at it yet.. been pretty busy20:04
t_s_odisco_stu: try the max variant then20:04
MaceN800be more scared of liquor20:04
StskeepsMaceN800: mm, just a current state, but people are playing with it then20:04
MaceN800yeah? i'll try it out when i get the chance20:04
MaceN800probably tuesday when i'm off work20:04
t_s_ostill, to much artificial sweetener seems to have its own issues...20:04
MaceN800you use the box i set up yet?20:04
* disco_stu hates pepsi max20:04
StskeepsMaceN800: not yet, i'll get there eventually :P20:05
jaskablack soap water20:05
Stskeepshad such a busy month20:05
MaceN800ok.. i'm going to take a nap20:05
MaceN800i need some aaa batteries20:05
ShadowJK_pepsi max is kinda vile. The old sugarfree cocacola is kinda yuck. The new sugarfre cocacola is "interesting", but tastes bitter after a few glasses. I just buy Lidl's cola..20:05
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MaceN800all non sugar pop sucks20:06
MaceN800there is no replacement for sugar :)20:06
lardmanhmm, who drinks fixxy drinks anyway other than beer?20:06
MaceN800diabetes is a gene cleaner20:06
ShadowJK_I might just as well drink water :P20:07
jaskawater tastes better than light soft drinks anyway :)20:07
MaceN800i go through cases of pop like it's cool20:07
MaceN800water is tasteless20:07
jaskawhich is better than the negative taste of light colas etc :)20:07
ShadowJK_tasteless but rough20:08
MaceN800diet pop is a joke20:08
lardmanI actually don;t like the taste of the full-fat colas20:08
MaceN800i've seen people chasae an entire pizza with a diet coke20:08
ShadowJK_I rather drink milk than water :-)20:08
MaceN800like it's going to make a difference20:08
lardmanMaceN800: yep, me20:08
MaceN800fat bastard20:08
lardmanand then a few beers20:08
lardmanand another pizza to follow20:08
MaceN800fat alcoholic bastard20:08
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lardmanwell I do weigh 97 kg20:08
* t_s_o starts to wonder how "off channel" he is to the rest of the world...20:09
MaceN800that's like 300lbs20:09
MaceN800well.. 240something20:09
lardman200lbs I think isn't it?20:09
jaskaerm.. thats 21320:09
Stskeepseh, 97kg isn't that bad :P20:09
MaceN800yes it is20:09
MaceN800how tall?20:09
jaskamy skeleton probably weighs that :)20:09
disco_stui´m 70kg.. skinny20:09
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* Stskeeps has no idea what he weighs these days.20:10
* lardman doesn't have much of a beer gut yet, only 34"20:10
Stskeepsdropped a lot of weight while gf is abroad20:10
jake_maheui'm 126lbs, and like 5'10"20:10
qwerty12Stskeeps, +1 but I'm lovingly called pencil by some :P20:10
jake_maheuand, btw, minors drink fizzy drinks other than beer20:10
MaceN800im 185 6-320:10
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jaskadepends on the minor20:10
lardmanI'm 6'2"20:10
jake_maheui'm only 14 tho20:10
MaceN800oh... then you are not that bad20:11
jake_maheui'm taller than my mom and as tall as my dad20:11
Stskeepsqwerty12: used to be thin as hell, then adulthood came..20:11
MaceN800everybody is taller than their mother20:11
Stskeepsor i discovered beer. one of those.20:11
disco_stuwhat about ages?20:11
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jake_maheui've got a second cousin who is like 6'5"-- at least with a beard20:11
jaska6'5.5" 350lbs or so.. i know.. im a fat bastard :)20:11
jake_maheuwe share a cousin, and he's like 5'20:11
MaceN800well.. i shold go20:11
jake_maheuand he's 1320:11
MaceN800takecare everybody20:12
disco_stusee ya20:12
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Stskeeps <- best ever pic of me, .. from a music festival. heh20:12
lardmanhmm, he seemed to be very anti-food didn't he ;)20:13
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qwerty12Stskeeps, why smoke normal cigarettes? :P :D20:13
Stskeepsqwerty12: meh, not much of a weed person20:13
Stskeepsjust gets me depressed instead20:13
qwerty12hehe, I have a friend in CPH and all he can do is get high :P20:14
Stskeepsyeah, but that's cpfh20:14
Stskeeps<- in the province20:14
lardmanI had a friend who only did that, and he's not a friend any more - became rather weird and paranoid20:15
mavhcgoddamn hippies20:15
* lardman eschews all drugs, and just sticks to alcohol20:16
lardmanoh and caffeine20:16
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t_s_otechnically, alcohol is a drug...20:16
Stskeepsmm, caffeine20:16
lardmanrubbish! ;)20:16
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t_s_othe seperation is more cultural then anything else...20:16
mavhcweed is only as dangerous as alcohol or cigarettes20:17
mavhcand that's why I say we should ban alcohol and cigarettes20:17
lcuki resent changes to slash more and more - i wrote a comment today before i went out and totally forgot i need to click twice nowadays \@/20:17
disco_stui'll head to my books, see you later20:17
lcuklardman, those drugs are worse than others20:18
lardmanmavhc: though studies have shown that it produces psychosis afaik20:18
lardmanlcuk: never!20:18
lardmanlcuk: except your vice perhaps ;)20:18
lcukimagine the outrage that would occur worldwide if they banned coffee20:18
lardmansmoking that is20:18
mavhcalcohol? yes, it does20:19
* qwerty12 can't see the appeal in cigarettes20:19
lardmanwell no work would be done for a few days until the symptoms wore off :)20:19
lcukinfact, i think thats why they are now saying "look, coffee grounds produce biooil - "we are saving the planet"20:19
lardmanmavhc: no, cannabis20:19
mavhcthat too20:19
mavhcto response to "do you smoke?" is "no, I'm not retarded"20:19
lcukqwerty12, some crops grow well embedded in volcanic ash :)20:19
lardmanmy understanding was that the effects of cannabis were permanent20:20
qwerty12lcuk, hehe :)20:20
lardmanlcuk: what kind of cigarettes do you smoke!20:20
lcuklardman, doing any drug to excess leads to problem, its not the vice, its the quantity20:20
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lardmanlcuk: ah, but that's the thing about cannabis, it's supposed to damage immediately20:21
lcuki roll my own using whatever baccy i can get imported20:21
lardmanlcuk: from near volcanoes?20:21
lcukbut hasn't like 3/4 of the population admitted to it20:21
qwerty12in the north, I hear the best you guys can get is leaves20:21
lcukfrom wherever, i burn my fuel20:21
lardmanwhich is why the GDP is falling probably ;)20:21
lcukactually i think you are right...20:22
lcukim smoking menthol cigs at the mo - since i ran out of baccy :'(20:22
lcukthey are so expensive in uk20:22
lcukthe £40 i spent a few months ago ( think it was summit the last time i bought my own) has just finished, im looking at spending that amount in just a couple of weeks20:23
jake_maheuyou guys should check out electronic cigarettes20:23
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qwerty12lol20:23 is my dad's site20:23
lcukdont tell me20:23
lardmanhmm, I'm happy with my glass of wine thanks :)20:24
lcuk* rx-51: added support for inhaler20:24
lardmanand feather-twizzler20:24
lcukok lardman, your wine is good, but if you downed it like orange juice everyday, or had it on your cornflakes would it still be as good?20:25
Stskeepsmm. wine20:25
lcuk(mind you, you do that already)20:25
Stskeepsi could really need some wine.20:25
lardmanlcuk: yes, I reckon so, not so good with corn flakes mind you20:25
Stskeepsqwerty12: solution 2 to sdk problems. find the glibc2.8 from ubuntu20:26
lcukahhhh, holly has got you eating special k then :P20:26
lardmanlcuk: shredded wheat + wine works a treat ;)20:26
lardmanlcuk: don't knock the special K, I quite like it!20:26
qwerty12Stskeeps, nice, will remember that20:26
Stskeepsit's at..20:26
* qwerty12 likes special Krack for breakfast20:26
lcuki tried it once, but i kept gettin a wedgy from the red swimsuit i had to wear20:26
lardmanyou have to eat 3 bowls full, but it tastes nice20:27
lcuk3 at a time?  i tohught it was meant for dieting20:27
qwerty12Stskeeps, ta#20:27
lardmanlcuk: oi you sound like MaceN800!20:27
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lcukwhy? does he wear swimsuits as well>?20:28
lardmanno, he was implying I needed to diet I think20:28
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lardmanI agreed, more pizza and beer ;)20:29
lcuknahhhh, you don't need to diet, but just make sure you sit in the middle on airplanes20:29
lardmanon that note, I have to go do some washing up, bbl :)20:29
lcukheh cya later20:29
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lcukok im goin as wlel, got some planning to do20:30
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Jake__i'm gonna do something insane20:31
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Stskeepswhat? :P20:32
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Stskeepswb b-man20:36
b-manwell, i tryed it out and it looks pritty good :)20:37
Stskeepsit's not complete in any way and needs apt-getting of stuff to have anything of worth :P20:38
Stskeepsbut what you just ran is fremantle software :P20:38
b-manno, i'm trying to think of what i ned to say..20:39
Jake__i'm going to make gimp on the tablet20:40
b-manhow can i set my root and user password?20:40
Stskeepsb-man: well passwd from maemo in the chroot probably.. user password we dont really have yet :P20:41
Meizirkkifor user: passwd <user>20:41
Meizirkkii always run hildon as a user20:41
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Jake__am i insane?20:42
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b-manwhat do you mean insane?20:42
StskeepsJake__: not really. gimp was in easy debian i think20:43
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Meizirkkihmm, Fn key is not working...20:45
Jake__but it was in a 1.3gb partition on an sd card20:45
Meizirkkii have xmodmap set up for it20:45
Stskeepsget fatalsaints xmodmap?20:45
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Meizirkkii am using xmodmap from deblet20:46
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Stskeepsyeah, but that one is broken with Fn i think20:46
Stskeepsfatalsaints xmodmap file should work20:46
Meizirkkiwhere cai i get it ?20:46
infobotMeizirkki meant: where can i get it ?20:46
Stskeepsit's on ITT somewhere20:47
b-manInstalling a ton of stuff in mer from cdeb2» (my chroot software) :D20:50
Stskeepswe definately need something alike embedding xnest/xephyr or whatever ..20:51
Stskeepsso you can run native programs fullscreen that doesn't fit in hildon layout20:51
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b-mani havent tryed that yet, i don't have anything installed yet. :P20:52
b-mandoes hildon-input-method work by any chance?20:54
Stskeepsnot yet i think20:56
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Stskeepswhat keyboard possibilities did we have atm?20:58
Meizirkkihaven't tested yes20:58
Meizirkkihatchbox-keyboard with many languages at least20:58
Stskeepsmatchbox you mean20:58
Stskeepsb-man: your best friend right now is usbnet atleast20:59
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b-maninstalling matchbox-kb, synaptic, iceweasel, gnome-apt, xkbd, dosbox, gimp.......21:02
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b-mani wonder if i can install Gnome, hmmmmmm......21:03
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Stskeepsb-man: there's a problem with gnomevfs2 atm so21:05
Stskeepsyou could probably but that'd remove hildon (atm)21:05
Stskeepsit is ubuntu deep down so :P21:05
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b-manit's allwase good to try something new. :) Jhonx said that gnome on deblet could not be done..... and i sucseded... trial-and-error? :p21:09
Stskeepsnever underestimate the efforts of people with too much time on their hands..21:09
Stskeepsgod, i love this lastfm ripper21:09
Stskeepsi can get some of my old mp3 collection back that i lost a cold night against asphalt..21:10
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lcukgod i hate this pan shaped branding on my hand21:10
Meizirkkib-man: synaptic will crash your hildon21:10
qwerty12_N801Stskeeps, you don't need for that... ;P21:10
Stskeepsqwerty12_N801: the fact is i don't recall the songs until i see them21:11
b-manI'm just filled with overall enthusiasm - i'm allmost allwase up-beet and happy. :D21:11
qwerty12_N801Stskeeps, hehe, i'm the same :)21:11
qwerty12_N801b-man, i'm the opposite. i'm pessimistic and think everybody is pricks :p21:12
b-maneven your frends?21:13
qwerty12_N801for sure :P21:13
* Stskeeps ponders taking revenge on the neighbours drilling the walls on hangoverday21:15
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MeizirkkiFn still does not work :(21:23
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Stskeepsdamnit :P21:24
Meizirkki(using fatalsaints xmodmap now)21:24
Stskeepsare you sur eit gets run?21:24
Stskeepsi mean, we dont use xsession right now..21:24
Meizirkkiother changes i made work, but not the fn-key21:24
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Stskeepsyerga: around?21:28
MeizirkkiI start hildon by running startx.. so, i use xsession ?? :P21:28
Stskeepsyeah, i guess so21:28
yergaStskeeps, more or less ;)21:28
Stskeepsyerga: you were speaking of mce and such.. and i noticed face down and stuff like that21:29
Stskeeps <- any of these rotations that make more sense in the orientations?21:29
Stskeepsi mean, there's "face down" which is either a clamshell or something alike sick.. or that freaky thing21:30
Meizirkkicheack "office for n810" at itT :P21:30
infobotMeizirkki meant: check "office for n810" at itT :P21:30
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yergaStskeeps, could be...21:32
Meizirkkigrr.. Mer wont boot because fsck failed21:33
Meizirkkii'll fsck in maemo21:34
StskeepsMeizirkki: oh dear god21:34
Stskeepsdon't tell me that bug is bac21:34
Meizirkkiit gives me root prompt21:34
Meizirkkiwith RO fs21:34
* Stskeeps sighs and really wants a new kernel on that thing.21:34
Meizirkkii use 8pt fonts in Mer :P21:35
Meizirkkidamn, reallu much errors in fs21:36
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Stskeepsext2 or ext3?21:37
Meizirkkinot that moch21:37
* Meizirkki boots back to Mer21:38
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StskeepsMer bootstrapping meeting in #maemo-meeting in 2 minutes.21:58
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lcuk#maemo-meeting NOW22:03
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lardmanlcuk: donuts?22:04
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Stskeepsclient trouble, GA?22:08
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qwerty12_N800I'd take that as a yes :p22:09
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GAN8001Fucking piece of shit client. . . .22:09
lcukcould telephone cleaners please report to #maemo-meeting22:10
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MouseyYAY! new freeciv packages!!22:17
* Mousey glees22:17
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Mouseyseriously, n810 is the coolest computer i've ever owned22:24
Mouseyif there's ever a gl-es version, i'll get it too22:24
Mouseywarzone2100, can you just see it???22:24
Mouseyhow cool would that be?22:24
Mouseyit ought to be bigger tho, n800 sized, with hardware keyboard and dual SD?? UNSTOPPABLE22:24
Mouseyoh, and d-pad on the outside22:25
Mouseyok, ok, enough outta me22:25
* Mousey goes back to lurk moar22:25
GAN8001We have Warzone 210022:25
Mouseyfor nseries?!?22:25
GAN8001For a while22:25
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GAN8001For "Maemo", more accurately.22:25
MouseyNO WAI22:25
mouser-Mousey:  That does sound good.22:26
mouser-Maybe that's in the works for n900 (I haven't seen any specs, if they are released)22:26
MouseyO HELL Yah22:27
* Mousey struggles to find a reop22:28
Mouseyrepo, even22:28
GAN8001mouser-, I recommend googling.22:29
GAN8001Mousey, you keep missing out on things that we've had for a while22:32
Mouseyoh hush22:33
GAN8001Next time you think of something you'd like to see, start by googling '<thing you want> maemo'. :P22:33
Mouseyi usually do22:33
Mouseybut i'm too easily excited22:33
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mouser-Are most new apps posted to, or are they published on personal web sites?22:34
GAN8001mouser-, depends on the dev22:34
GAN8001usually, but the early stuff tends to go to the forums or IRC first.22:35
Mouseypoop! no pupnik repo22:35
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mouser-GAN8001: The forums being ITT, correct?22:37
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