IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-12-13

r2d2rogersStskeeps: enter on the keyboard seems not to work00:00
r2d2rogerssame as the read foo issue00:01
Stskeepsphysical or virtual?00:01
Stskeepsthat's awkward :P00:01
Stskeepsstick key maybe or something00:02
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r2d2rogersstick key?00:02
* Stskeeps ponders if there's any obvious sys info applets00:02
Stskeepssome stuck key00:02
r2d2rogersbut I can type the rest?00:02
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Stskeepswell since you can't press enter you can't really execute in an x-term.. :P00:03
r2d2rogersbluetooth hid is a project I'm digging at though00:03
r2d2rogersI have a stowaway keyboard00:04
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r2d2rogersStskeeps: is there a keymap for matchbox keyboard I can check?00:05
r2d2rogersthe enter key is blank00:05
Stskeepsshould work from scratch00:05
jakemaheudid anyone notice that in xTerm in diablo, when you close and then reopen the keyboard, that your previous entry disappears?00:06
jakemaheuer, that is, you can no longer edit it in fullscreen keyboard mode?00:06
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jakemaheualso, can I get a hand with the linux flasher?00:09
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lcukr2d2rogers, Stskeeps this enter key problem, when i had a keyboard plugged in it didnt respond the same with ENTER and CR00:10
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r2d2rogersI remember seeing keycodes in some script, I don't suppose they'd be different from 770 to n8x0?00:12
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Stskeepsshouldn't be.. i dont think there's 770 specific code in the software00:12
Stskeepsat least i hope not00:12
lcukim just looking at a whole host of interfaces for phones - do these invisible swipe methods work? (to change between apps and rotate desktop etc)  do you end up accidentally hitting wrong buttons in app you are swiping over?00:13
r2d2rogerspoutting my screenshots on picasa00:14
r2d2rogerstaht work for you guys?00:15
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lcukr2d2rogers,  yes, and you are still a superuser00:15
r2d2rogersno new ones yet :000:16
r2d2rogerswhen I get the bt keyboard working I'll make a user and try to break something else00:16
Stskeepsyeah, theming not showing is cos you launch from shell i presume?00:16
r2d2rogersI'll update those now that that is fixed00:16
r2d2rogersrebot for items to show in the menu00:16
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Stskeepsthat that is fixed?00:22
Stskeepswhat'd you do?00:22
r2d2rogersjust ran from within instead of from the telnet00:24
r2d2rogersshould the action for the matchbox-keyboard be return or enter00:25
r2d2rogersI found the xml key layouts00:25
Stskeepsreturn i guess00:26
* Stskeeps puts on a good House episode.00:26
* jakemaheu has 42 episodes of house on his computer-- 11.2 gb00:26
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* Stskeeps ponders how to contiue with the sdk saga00:28
* r2d2rogers know now how the people he usually copies solutions from through google must have felt...00:32
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zakkmmhow do i fix the resource not avaliable .. when using flasher?00:40
zakkmmSending kernel image (139055 kB)...00:41
zakkmmWrite failed after 0 bytes00:41
zakkmmusb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable00:41
jakemaheulemme guess-- nitdroid?00:41
zakkmmi failed nitroid00:42
zakkmmtrying to re put on diablo00:42
jakemaheudon't worry, i had the same problem00:42
zakkmmhow do i fix?00:42
jakemaheudo you have a terminal open?00:42
jakemaheualright, are you in root?00:42
jakemaheusudo -s00:42
jakemaheuthen your password00:42
zakkmmof course00:42
zakkmmim not new to the linux world ;p00:42
zakkmmjust not an tablet expert ;p00:43
jakemaheuare you just reflashing the kernel, or the whole system?00:43
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zakkmmthe kernel00:43
jakemaheualright, and you've extracted it then?00:43
zakkmmi added --flash-only=kernel00:43
zakkmmi got uhh00:43
zakkmm./flasher-3.0 -f -k RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode00:43
jakemaheuthe easier way to do it is this:00:44
jakemaheu./flasher -u diablo.bin00:44
jakemaheuthat will extract all components of the image, and you will have a separate kernel00:44
jakemaheu-u unpacks the image00:45
zakkmmdidnt do anything?00:45
jakemaheudiablo.bin is just the name of mine00:45
jakemaheudidi you enter your filename?00:45
zakkmmi know00:45
zakkmmi renamed -.-00:45
jakemaheujust a sec00:46
jakemaheusorry, the command is:00:46
jakemaheu./flasher - F diablo.bin -u00:46
jakemaheuer, -F00:46
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zakkmmit worked00:47
zakkmmnow what00:47
jakemaheualright, now you'll have a bunch of file, plus "zImage"00:47
jakemaheuthat is your kernel00:47
zakkmmfixed :)00:48
zakkmmthankkk you00:48
jakemaheuno prob00:49
zakkmmbtw, did you have a n800?00:49
jakemaheu is it booting up now?00:49
zakkmmperfectly ;p00:49
zakkmmim in maemo already00:49
jakemaheunice boot time00:49
jakemaheudon't forget to do a reboot00:49
jakemaheuif you didn't already00:49
zakkmmdamn it has a weird bootloader display now00:49
zakkmmfor like 0.5s00:50
zakkmmit tells me some info00:50
jakemaheuit's because you're in R&D mode still, remember?00:50
jakemaheuto remove it, run ./flasher --disable-rd-mode00:50
jakemaheuas root00:51
jakemaheuof course00:51
zakkmmsweet thanks00:51
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jakemaheuno prob, man00:51
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jakemaheulol to reflash mine, I had to enable the serial port to keep it from rebooting, wtf00:53
jakemaheubacon is frigging delicious00:53
jakemaheualso, i love you lcuk00:54
jakemaheuliqbase is one of my top apps00:54
lcukbacon is one of my favorite foods00:54
jakemaheuany new changes coming?00:54
jakemaheumine too00:54
lcukinfact, if i put it on my favorite food it would make it even better00:54
jakemaheubacon+bacon is epic00:54
lcukhmmm, yeah lots actually, but ive had to do some major internal shuftying to do stuff00:55
lcukand cleaned out the crap i needed whilst learning :) (but kept the best bits)00:55
jakemaheuhey, did anyone ever figure out why the camera is screwy in diablo?00:57
AStormit works here?00:57
jakemaheuthe whole "a batch had a hardware problem" is bs, and so is them "not being able to reproduce the problem"00:57
jakemaheuwell, sometimes it does00:57
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AStormmost of the time00:58
jakemaheuif you do a clean diablo flash, it will work00:58
jakemaheuer, the chat app will open00:58
AStormlike, more often than in chinook00:58
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jakemaheuif you install videocamera or gpscamera, it will work00:58
jakemaheuuntil you reboot00:58
AStormlike, all the time :)00:58
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jakemaheuthen it won't flip and chat won't open00:58
jakemaheuthe solution (totally lame) is to take out the battery and start it again, and it will work-- until the next reboot, and so on and so forth00:59
jakemaheuknips works no matter what01:00
lcukliqbase doesnt crash the camera01:00
jakemaheubecause it is based off of gstreamer01:00
jakemaheudoes liqbase flip it?01:00
lcukbut  did notice if i tried pushing it to full 640*480 it was not stable01:00
lcukno, but it will in next release as required01:00
jakemaheusweet, what does liqbase use for camera control?01:01
AStormv4l :P01:01
jakemaheualso, no offense, but knips is really unstable01:01
jakemaheuisn't it v4l2?01:01
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lcuki think its v42 underneath01:02
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AStormso not v4l2 directly? :|01:03
jakemaheuyou should add more bacon in the next iteration of liqbase01:05
AStormnah, it should be fat-free01:05
lcukMORE, theres already galaxies full of it01:05
jakemaheulol galaxies01:05
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jakemaheuthere's this great restaurant in Frankenmuth, Michigan01:06
jakemaheui can't recall the name01:06
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jakemaheubut if you order bacon, they literally bring you a PILE of bacon01:07
jakemaheulike, 10 in plate with a 7 in stack01:07
lcukwhen you look up at the heavens towards pisces and consider that a full arc of the universe is a pig you have to ponder just how much bacon that is01:07
jakemaheuor, 10 shit-loads01:08
AStorm10 decimal or binary?01:08
jakemaheuit's a lot of bacon nonetheless01:08
jakemaheudecimal, isn't 10 in binary 2 in decimal?01:09
jakemaheuoh yeah, there are only 10 types of people in this world, those who can read binary and those who can't01:09
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* Stskeeps hums along to chicane - saltwater and ponders to look more at sb2 code01:10
jakemaheuis there a good guide to using scratchbox on ubuntu?01:11
lcukif you find one, send it to sts ;)01:11
jakemaheui will01:11
Stskeepssb2, sb1 is more understandable01:12
AStormI want one distro-unrelated01:12
AStormgeneric sb2 guide01:12
jakemaheuthat would be good01:12
StskeepsAStorm: i would really like sb2 documentation01:12
Stskeepsi'm starting to see why it's cool and how it's made, but the tiny bugs are .. big01:13
Stskeepswhen using it effectively01:13
jakemaheuthere are some apps i'd like to just try getting on the tablet (in b4 deblet)01:13
StskeepsAStorm: i can pretty much explain some of the inner workings or point to interesting pieces01:14
* jakemaheu wonders when I'll get around to working on getting nitdroid to work again01:14
Stskeepsjakemaheu: mm. deblet is pretty much dead01:14
jakemaheuhow so?01:14
jakemaheui know that there's kde4 soon01:14
Stskeepsmer is really the successor01:14
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jakemaheuand easy-charged turbo debian is even in extras01:15
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jakemaheuyou see, i can't find much info about mer01:15
Stskeepsright, sec01:15
jakemaheui scrape tidbits, but i can't find real info01:15
Stskeepsbasically it's a continuation of a proof of concept we had regarding a bunch of thoughts i had about reconstructing Maemo01:16
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Stskeepsafter working hard with deblet and observing some trends01:16
jakemaheuis it based off another distro (other than debian)01:16
Stskeepsyes, ubuntu arm01:16
jakemaheuany releases of that yet?01:17
Stskeeps <- old thoughts, , previous work, transformation01:17
Stskeepswe have an imager/installer but it's quite early on01:18
Stskeepsbut interesting stuff is already possible. ,
jakemaheuit ticks me off that an old compaq armada e500 with ubuntu runs comparably to my amd athlon xp 2200 with a gig of ram and xp01:18
Stskeeps(midori under mer)01:18
jakemaheui'll check those out01:18
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Stskeepsmidori video is impressive01:19
jakemaheucan you run the newest 2.6 linux kernel on maemo 4.1?01:20
Stskeepsdont think they intermix that nicely right now01:20
jakemaheui think the open-source wifi driver needs a newer one01:20
jakemaheui guess solca got the 2.6.18 kernel running for his android port01:21
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jakemaheuthat is the version, right?01:21
Stskeeps2.6.28, yeah01:21
Stskeepsit's the idea in mer to have a common kernel project though that can support booting different kernesl01:21
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Stskeeps(no more need for reflashing, for instance)01:22
Stskeepsof kernels01:22
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jakemaheuwould any of you be interested in a portal-themed theme?01:23
jakemaheuas in the game01:23
Stskeepsi'm interested in any hildon themes if they're CC/SA or OSS :P01:23
jakemaheuif i make one, i'll release it under that01:23
jakemaheuactually, maybe CC/SA/NC01:24
Stskeepsfair enough01:24
jakemaheuactually, by-nc-sa01:24
lcukforgive my innocence, is there a GUI available to allow me to setup and configure my booting and cloning options for NOT01:24
Stskeepslcuk: not?01:25
lcukNIT even01:25
Stskeepslcuk: not yet01:25
Stskeepslcuk: or maybe penguinbaits tools01:25
lcukok, do we have a page discussing whats needed?01:25
StskeepsGeneralAntilles keeps pushing me to write one though01:25
jakemaheuthat would be neat01:25
lcukyeah i recall those01:25
Stskeepslcuk: i would recommend waiting for solca's chooser01:25
Stskeepsthat's next generation bootmenu01:25
lcukalright, but a chooser is only one part01:25
jakemaheu@stskeeps: those are cmdline utils though, right?01:25
Stskeepsjakemaheu: hmm?01:26
lcukStskeeps, i keep thinking i might have a selection of OSes handy on different memory cards - old style floppy disk style01:26
Stskeepslcuk: well then there's my .item system..01:26
jakemaheu.item system?01:26
Stskeepsdeblet bootmenu01:26
Stskeepsinstead of a static bootmenu.conf01:27
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lcukis the password lock thing at BOIS level, or part of the default maemo stack?01:28
lcukBIOS as well01:28
Stskeepslcuk: maemo thing really. mce and systemui01:28
lcukmy fingers are cold tonight01:28
Stskeepsit's in CAL01:28
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AStormyup, but isn't the code stored somewhere fairly safe?01:29
lcukso using an alternative would bypass the bootpass01:29
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StskeepsAStorm: nop01:29
StskeepsAStorm: CAL01:29
Stskeepslcuk: yeah, but against the average non-qwerty12, it's not trivial01:29
lcukyeah but if theres a big "insert workbench disk" coming up on everyboot, its not rocket science for someone to follow the breadcrumbs01:30
jakemaheuwe really need to get penguinbait, qwerty12, solca and lcuk working on the same android project01:30
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jakemaheuwe have one that doesn't work with apps01:31
lcukexcuse me? android01:31
jakemaheuone that doesn't work without partitioning and tablet-threatening situations01:31
jakemaheuyou're good, lcuk01:31
lcukwhy thank you :)01:32
jakemaheualso GeneralAntillies (sp?)01:32
jakemaheuplus qole, duh01:32
jakemaheuit's like a super dev team01:32
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Stskeepsjakemaheu: though.. there's no way in hell nokia would back an android project, other than maybe making room for the existence01:34
jakemaheuwe don't need nokia's help01:35
Stskeepsand same generic kernel driver stuff01:35
* lcuk holds his hand up01:35
jakemaheuwe have an open-source driver01:35
Stskeepstrust me.. if you want to work seriously on the tablets, you do01:35
jakemaheuyes, lcuk?01:35
Stskeepsyou still need to redistribute wifi firmware, talk with BME, etc01:35
lcukmy nokia isnt a phone, its a computer.  whats the point in having a phone OS when you can't use its primary function?   (im repeating myself)01:36
jakemaheuandroid is cool-- have you ever played with a G1?01:36
glass_androids app model is certainly not cool01:36
jakemaheui have-- it's magic even on edge01:36
jakemaheusome of the apps I would kill for on maemo, though01:36
glass_androids as magical as a sidekick01:36
jakemaheuwhat is the reason for your opinions?01:37
*** mardi8101 has joined #maemo01:37 is magic too :) and im really looking forward to having a full powerful computer in my hand :)01:37
glass_dunno. people sorta pay me for my opinions01:37
jakemaheuinteresting, brb01:37
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Stskeepsjakemaheu: my opinion is based on hard work getting alternative distro working on tablets.01:37
glass_the reason is that android is actually a lot like sidekick as a platform01:37
glass_and that app model isn't cool in my opinion01:38
suihkulokkiprobably better than replacing the whole system with android is to make android just another app launched from maemo01:38
lcukit is01:38
glass_suihkulokki: exactly01:38
Stskeepssuihkulokki: indeed01:38
lcukbut its not everything01:38
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* Stskeeps continues burying himself in sb2 code.01:40
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jakemaheui miss spending this much time on irc01:40
jakemaheustupid high school01:40
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* jakemaheu is cooking grilled cheese01:41
Stskeepsit's really awkward how symlink /foo/bar/baz -> ../abc/cde, rm /foo/bar/baz will not work, but rm foo/bar/baz will. that really screws up a lot of postinst scripts01:42
lcuklol sts you keep pushing that bug, move on :P01:42
Stskeepssorry, it's just close to heart :P01:42
jakemaheuis there a radio api?01:42
Stskeepsfm radio?01:42
jakemaheuyeah, it'd be neat to have in canola01:42
Stskeepsfairly easy to use, think i saw a fmradio python module01:43
jakemaheufirst, of course, i have to figure out sb2 and then coding, lol01:43
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lcukjake :) i compile directly on device01:44
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jakemaheuguess what movie i'm seeing at 9:05?01:44
lcukcuts out a big step of messing01:44
jakemaheuah, neat01:44
jakemaheuhow do you do it?01:44
lcukinstall compiler and libraries and build my code01:44
jakemaheuhuh, do you use the sb compiler?01:45
lcukno, i use gcc01:45
lcukits obtained from the same SDK repository that scratchbox uses for armel though01:45
jakemaheui bet it takes a while though:
jakemaheuit's true, though01:47
lcukno actually, if i recompile each modified file and work like i normally do, compilation and running is very similar to compiling in scratchbox and then transfering and executing the binary01:48
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lcukfull rebuild gives me a chance for a cuppa, but its certainly workable01:48
lcukfaster than .net building ever was01:49
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jakemaheubrb, grilled cheese + tomato soup01:51
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jakemaheui like that approach, though-- only compiling the modified files01:54
jakemaheuwhat language does sb compile in?01:57
jakemaheuisn't it just c?01:58
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jakemaheuhey b-man02:19
Stskeepslo b-man02:20
jakemaheuhow ya doin?02:21
b-manWell, i'm trying this client for the first time, it's REALLY COOL! :D02:22
Stskeepshehe. there's probably better clients out there :)02:22
Stskeepsbut referred to that one to open the barn wide enough for people to get in02:23
jakemaheuyou're using mibbit?02:23
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b-manYes, i'm using mobbit.02:23
jakemaheunice, on anothern sever i was on, they ended up banning it because of the anon spammers02:24
jakemaheuthen i had to steal mirc02:24
jakemaheuhurk, so many packages updating on ubuntu to get to 8.1002:25
b-manIm currently using my tablet for this chat.02:25
jakemaheui think there's a client for it02:25
Stskeepsb-man: hehe, then try xchat02:25
Stskeepsmuch nicer02:26
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jakemaheuyes, that's it, thanks you sstskeepss02:26
jakemaheulol apt is replacing apt02:27
jakemaheui've got a problem with xterm02:28
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jakemaheucan anyone give me a hand?02:33
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b-manattempting to install xchat - wish me luck!02:37
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jakemaheugood lcuk02:38
b-manAh, incompatible application package - nothing that a little hacking won't fix. :)02:38
jakemaheujust force it02:39
b-manYes. :P02:39
jakemaheuget the deb, run dpkg -i xchat.deb --force02:41
jakemaheui think02:41
jakemaheuthat "should" work02:41
Stskeepsb-man: eh, getting it from maemo extras?02:41
jakemaheuspeaking of maemo extras, i added extras-devel, and wow02:42
jakemaheuthere's some cool stuff in there02:42
b-manfrom bora extras - it was the first item on my google search. :P02:43
Stskeepsah. you run bora? :P02:43
jakemaheudiablo is so worth it02:44
Stskeepsb-man: .. you do run diablo or? :P02:44
b-manNo, i run Diablo.02:44
jakemaheuyeah, then you might just want to fire up app mugger02:44
Stskeepsyeah, get it from application manager then :P02:45
Stskeepsit's there when maemo extras repo is activated02:45
jakemaheuit's already entered, just uncheck it02:46
jakemaheuer, uncheck disabled02:46
b-manapp mugger?? - what is this?02:46
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jakemaheuit's a nickname for the application manager02:47
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jakemaheui mostly see General use it02:47
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b-manI can't wait to try out Mer, it's looking really cool!02:54
Stskeepshehe.. right now i'm fighting with scratchbox 202:55
Stskeepsa sdk / cross compilation suite is important for the project :P without it, everything falls apart. or, goes very slow.02:58
Stskeepslo mace02:58
`Macesup sts02:58
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`Macestill no sdk?02:58
b-manI'll be getting a Dell studio 15 for christmas, it will be my new maemo/mer/android/deblet development machine.02:59
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Stskeeps`Mace: fightin'02:59
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`Maceproblems with nokia or something?03:00
Stskeepsoh, no - just fighting with the program scratchbox v203:00
`Macewish n800 had built in 3G modem03:01
Stskeepsto get it to do what i want it to, not what it does;)03:01
`Maceno wimax in chicago =/03:01
Stskeeps3g will come in rx-5103:01
Stskeepsyeah.. we call it rx-51 cos it doesn't have a N-name yet03:01
Stskeepsand there's hints laying about03:02
b-manIt will probably be my christmas gift for next year.03:02
`Macehow much $?03:03
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b-mani'm guessing $400-$50003:04
`Macewish chicago had wimax03:04
`Maceid get wimax n81003:05
Stskeepsb-man: think prices may drop cos of competition with netbooks, but we'll see03:05
mavhcfree with a 2 year contract03:05
mavhcis wimax cheaper than 3g?03:06
b-mani hope so..03:06
Stskeepspeople won't pay 3x for better battery life, smaller form factor and general deliciousness..03:06
Stskeepsor, atleast in my world..03:06
mavhcI got an n810 because things with wireless data cost too much to run/too much initially, a smartphone costs twice as much without a contract03:07
`Macenetbooks are still too big03:08
`Mace10" screen = smaller laptop03:08
b-manI got my N800 because i wanted a pc in my pocket. :)03:09
`Maceme too03:09
mavhcit's not a laptop with ssd, because you can throw it around, physically you're not worried about a head crash03:09
`Maceworks good03:09
`Macewant n810 for qwerty03:09
`Macei ha tired of pecking on this thing03:10
mavhcoddly the one screen keyboard is faster than the physical keyboard03:10
b-manyah, but it has it's advantages.03:12
mavhcnot using up screen space mainly03:14
b-manand you can use Android.03:15
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Stskeepswb b-man, succeeded in getting xchat installed?03:30
`MaceThis holiday, connect in more places, more often, anywhere XOHM has coverage.03:30
b-manyes, in fact, i'm using it right now!03:30
`Macethat cracks me up03:31
Stskeeps`Mace: think he's talking about xchat03:31
`Macei know03:31
Stskeepsb-man: btw, some other screenshots of mer03:31
`Macewas talking about their web site03:32
Stskeepsbut now i'm really going to bed03:32
`Maceanywhere xohm has coverage03:32
`Macewhich is ONLY Baltimore =)03:32
b-manl love IRC!03:32
Stskeepsyet another person turned to the dark side. my daily count has been reached.03:34
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b-manStskeeps- have you ben working on an installer for mer yet??03:39
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StsN800b-man, an imager yeah03:43
StsN800i'll make a tar.gz of a mer image later saturday03:44
r2d2rogersg'night StsN80003:49
* r2d2rogers goes back to working on getting mer looking pretty on his 77003:49
b-mansee ya tomorrow stsN80003:50
b-manBtw, what time is it in Denmark?03:51
r2d2rogersGMT +103:51
r2d2rogerswhere are you b-man ?03:52
r2d2rogersit's about to be 20:00 here03:52
b-mani'm in Bowling Green Ohio, united states03:52
r2d2rogerslol @ mavhc03:53
b-man8:52 pm here03:53
r2d2rogersso you're 6 hours different from Sts03:54
mavhcr2d2rogers: aww, don't laugh at me, laugh with me03:54
r2d2rogerssorry mavhc03:54
* r2d2rogers laughs with mavhc 03:54
r2d2rogersb-man: I'm GMT-6 and you are GMT-503:55
b-manwait... Stskeeps was up at 2:00 am ?!?!03:55
r2d2rogersGMT being london03:55
r2d2rogersnearly 303:55
r2d2rogersit is friday <G>03:55
* r2d2rogers has a brilliant and installs xev to find out what his keypresses are doing03:56
b-manIt's also verry, verry cold here, 20 F.03:57
r2d2rogersonly 43 here in Louisiana03:58
b-manyour lucky03:58
b-manI wish i lived somewhere warm, like california or florda.03:59
r2d2rogersI don't get it04:00
Mouseyi lived in california all my life04:00
Mouseyit's win04:00
* r2d2rogers start muttering about keycodes04:00
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zetheroojust in case someone here knows ... how do I download GPS routes on my N95 ?04:04
mavhcfirst install linux on it...04:05
zetherooyou joking right? ...04:05
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b-manHay check out my new blog! -  - i haven't created any posts yet, it's only a fuew days old.04:15
`0660what's the point of checking out a blog that has no posts? :)04:17
`0660can you even call it a blog before it has posts?04:17
mavhccss porn?04:17
b-manjust to show what it will look like :)04:18
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b-manwhat!?!?, no!        @0660  - shure :p04:22
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disco_stusomething new?04:37
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disco_stusomeone can point me to webkitlib for diablo?04:39
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b-manwait, what do you mean by (css) porn?04:43
b-mannever mind- let's get off this subject.04:43
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mavhcyour css may be sexy to some04:51
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GeneralAntillesWho's good at finding part numbers that don't show up on Google searches? :P04:51
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r2d2rogersanyone used a bt keyboard with a regular PC that they normally use with their NIT?04:55
r2d2rogersLinux desktop prefered?04:55
GeneralAntillesBT keyboards are just HID devices04:56
GeneralAntilles(non-shitty ones, anyway)04:56
r2d2rogersand latest ubuntu does hci by default...04:57
r2d2rogerstrying that though04:57
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b-manmavhc: css?, i have no idea of what your talking about.05:06
mavhcme neither05:07
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pupniki wonder if raising chickens is good for your mental balance07:19
pupnikevery once in a while you get to throttle something to death07:19
GeneralAntillespupnik, I prefer a short trip to the pistol range. :P07:28
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jakemaheufixing my enter key07:41
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zetheroohey anyone here know how to use PhoneLink10:20
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AStormzetheroo, my phone is not supported10:36
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zetherooAStorm: I have the Nokia N9510:49
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zetherooAStorm: is that one supported?10:49
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AStormwell, gnokii might support it10:50
AStormbut all this phone stuf is very outdated10:50
zetheroois it?10:50
zetherooit would be very useful to me10:53
zetheroois there a better app for this?10:53
AStormno idea10:53
AStormI'd like one as well10:53
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zetheroowhat was that program that was good for browsing the filesystem?11:22
qwerty12emelfm2? midnight commander? gpe-file-manager?11:23
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zetherooemelfm2 thats the one11:23
zetheroohmm its not in my installable apps list11:24
qwerty12it's not in extras11:24
zetheroois gpe-file-manager good too?11:25
qwerty12I've never used it, just heard it being mentioned11:26
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zetherooany way to search for a file in the terminal or anywhere else?11:37
animafind ?11:38
zetheroodid not work for me11:39
zetherooalso tried whereis11:39
animalocate could be if it would be in repositories :)11:40
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zetherooanyone know more or less what SIP is?11:44
Veggenwell, yes?11:45
Veggenit's an IP-telephony protocol? Or did you want it more detailed?11:45
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* GeneralAntilles is so glad to be finally done with the semester.11:46
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zetheroois it something to do with making phone calls through a mobile phone that is paired to the N810?11:47
zetheroooh ok11:47
zetherooso its internet related11:47
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zetherooI am searching for a way to make phone calls from my N810 through to my N95 mobile11:48
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GeneralAntillesYou want Bluetooth handsfree11:49
zetheroothey are both paired atm11:50
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zetheroois this feature possible in my case?11:52
GeneralAntillesI don't know of anything other than Phonelink11:52
zetherooto call using the mobile phone ... but through the tablet?11:52
zetheroooh I see11:52
GeneralAntillesThat's what you're after11:52
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christendocAnybody on that did early work on deblet?11:56
christendocI'm working on gentoo on n810. I've gotten it to boot native arm (finally) but have very odd hardware clock issues.11:57
zetherooGeneralAntilles: that info is about car installations... how does that cater to my need?11:58
GeneralAntilleszetheroo, HFP is the Bluetooth profile that gets you what you need.11:58
AStormchristendoc, you need linux-omap tree most likely11:59
AStormit has many fixes11:59
christendocAStorm: Are you talking about the kernel?11:59
christendocI'm still using maemo kernel11:59
AStormmaemo kernel has bugs. many.12:00
christendocJust pointing the bootloader at a gentoo install.12:00
christendocOhh... Got it12:00
christendocThat helps.12:00
AStormbtw, built using cross, or native?12:00
AStormor qemu?12:00
christendocnative right now ... It's slow, but I'm lazy.12:00
AStormI should get native + distcc later12:01
christendocI want to get everything compiled with softfloat and EABI, but I'll get there.12:01
christendocI've got distcc (2 n810s -- one with fractured screen)12:01
AStormnice (I12:01
christendocBut everything's compiling in gentoo chroots right now. I can boot, but haven't gotten anywhere near wireless, just yet.12:01
AStormmean distcc, not broken screen)12:02
GeneralAntilleslol @ Question #3
AStormwireless - take the new driver12:02
AStormwhat was it called...12:02
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christendocI'm gonna check your linux-omap bit out and see what I can do there. I've got a framebuffer console, but no number keys :) until I get networking (ssh) or the FN key working, alot of other things will have to wait.12:03
RST38hAStorm: Here?12:03
RST38hMoo, all12:03
qwerty12moo RST38h12:03
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AStormRST38h, yup12:03
AStormchristendoc, there was a patch for n81012:04
AStormkeyboard to work12:04
RST38hAStorm: I am trying to repartition anSD card on Ubuntu12:04
RST38hWhen writing new partition table, I am getting "The kernel still uses the old table."12:04
AStormnot sure if it got applied12:04
AStormRST38h, reboot then12:04
AStormor remove and reinsert card12:04
RST38hAStorm: I did. The card comes up with the old 1MB FAT partition12:04
AStormwell, then reboot12:05
christendocAStorm: patch, like kernel patch for the 810 keyboard? That in linux-omap?12:05
AStormit'd be a bug anyway12:05
RST38hAny idea how I actually WRITE it?12:05
AStormchristendoc, not sure, it was on some site... and certainly is linked to in mailing list archives12:05
AStormRST38h, it was written12:05
christendocAStorm: Ok thanks for your tips.12:06
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RST38hAStorm: does not look lik it12:06
AStormRST38h, well, pity :>12:06
AStormit works here (TM)12:07
AStormok, time for coffee12:07
AStormand shopping :(12:07
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zetheroohow do I find a file in the filesystem?12:07
christendocAStorm: Am I correct that there's no way to keep wlan (n810) with linux-omap? (proprietary module)12:08
RST38hgot it to work!12:08
GeneralAntilleschristendoc, stlc45xx12:08
AStormthere is an open driver now12:08
AStormyes, that one12:08
AStormzetheroo, with find command12:08
christendocah, excellent. checking that12:08
AStormzetheroo, like, cd /; find somefile12:09
AStormit will take time though12:09
AStormanother way is using locate12:09
AStormwhich is fast if it works12:09
AStormzetheroo, uhm, find somefile is wrong12:10
AStormfind . -name somefile12:10
qwerty12free has mlocate in his repo, works for me (but needs cron running to automatically run updatedb)12:10
AStormthat is ok12:10
zetherooso if I am looking for a file called gnokiirc whats the command?12:10
AStormfind ~ -name gnokiirc12:12
AStormor maybe find /etc -name gnokiirc12:12
AStormok, indeed, have to move my rear end12:13
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zetheroook well I am not having any luck getting this find command to work12:15
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zetheroohow do I know if I am in root?12:17
keesjecho $UID12:18
keesjor id12:19
zetheroooh man ... why is there no search tool in emelFM212:21
RST38hHow do I create a device node for the sdb1p1/sdb1p2 partition?12:21
GeneralAntillesI wonder if the Tracker beta'll ship with an interface12:21
AStormRST38h, with mknod12:22
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AStormalso, it's sdb1, sdb2 and so on12:22
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keesjindeed sdb is the whole device and sdb1 sdb2 the partitions (just do a cat /proc/partition to see what the kernel thinks is availlable)12:40
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RST38hAStorm: Figured it out finally13:29
RST38hThe partition names were wrong in the documentation13:29
RST38hOff to some place where I can buy a bunch of jumpers and a null modem13:30
* StsN800 would really love a offline mode for vagalume13:33
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AStormRST38h, electronics shop13:34
AStormand also some mart13:34
AStormnull modems are widely available13:34
GeneralAntillesStsN800, what would it connect to?13:34
AStormalthough you can make one yourself13:35
AStormfrom a standardc serial cable13:35
StsN800GeneralAntilles, allowing to cache a stream or something. put vagalume at work with mute at night and then replay when walking offline in the morning. prolly illlegal though13:37
GeneralAntillesStsN800, likely. :P13:37
GeneralAntillesStsN800, a good alternative is maintaining a music library and having a script copy over a random dozen or so songs the night before. :P13:38
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StsN800i wouldnt mind discovering new music so13:39
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StsN800a collection always goes stale13:39
GeneralAntillesStsN800, make it bigger, then. ;)13:40
StsN800anyway.  recording radio for personal use is legal in .dk. and  recently the radio term got expanded with digital13:46
StsN800cos of national radio streaming online13:47
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, did we suggest MyPaint for the Fremantle Stars?13:47
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, No idea13:47
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I think a good paint program would make a fucking fantastic Star.13:47
GeneralAntillesEspecially tossing in cool shit like Clutter13:48
qwerty12Hehe, yeah. This one is nice because it understands pressure info, always a nice plus13:48
StsN800did we have mono yet?13:51
qwerty12iirc, pipeline has put out some tarballs13:51
GeneralAntillesThese things make wonderfully awesome little sketchpads13:52 looks neat13:52
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yergaqwerty12, upload mypaint to extras :)13:55
yergamorning all, btw13:55
GeneralAntillesHi, patchmaster. :)13:55
qwerty12yerga, morning yerga, hehe, I'd rather leave it up to anders_gud to do that :). I did fix the packaging however to only enable vfp and 1136 mtune flags only if we are compiling for armel. Should help in not making the autobuilder throw an error at the i386 building stage :)13:56
* lcuk freezes up north13:57
* GeneralAntilles freezes down South.13:57
lcukheh gen did you get the snow as well?13:57
qwerty12lcuk, :(, it's not actually bad down here - for the South that is :/13:57
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's -1°C out. :(13:57
lcuki heard, first time in however many years or something13:58
lcukhas your pool frozen13:58
GeneralAntillesDunno what the temp is at my parent's house13:58
yergawe are 10ºC here :)13:58
yergaraining though13:58
GeneralAntilles10°C at my parent's house13:58
lcukyerga, are you in .fi? or elsewhere?13:58
GeneralAntillesSo, no, the pool hasn't frozen. :P13:58
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lcukahhh thats why its warm13:59
beavis_pool? es? god, damn..13:59
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lcuk\@/ my n810 suffered from sudden death last night14:00
Stskeepslcuk: what symptoms?14:00
beavis_i only got an 77014:00
lcukthe ONLY thing i did different was unplugging from charger, disconnecting net and locking all too fast14:00
beavis_but im happy with it14:00
lcuknormally in an evening i sit with charger in coding, at bedtime, i close connections, disconnect charger, disconnect net, lock - but all with time inbetween14:01
Stskeepsmm, at least it seems like 770 will have a bit of renaissance with Mer, with all of r2d2rogers's work14:01
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, don't get your hopes up. :P14:01
lcukthis time i was unplugging whilst disconnecting and then locked14:01
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: hehe, we'll see14:02
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: noone says it has to be a complete featureset anyway14:02
GeneralAntilles"Working" does not equal "Working faster than kill-yourself-slow"14:02
Stskeepscrawling maybe14:02
lcuki thought 770 had more gfx bandwidth14:02
lcukso depending on the app you get similar perf?14:03
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that doesn't magically make the CPU not suck. :P14:03
Stskeepsi'm still astonished by the midori video from n81014:03
Stskeepsdid you see that one, GA?14:03
lcukwhere is it?14:03
qwerty12lcuk, more memory for dsp framebuffer iirc, N800 has it too but there is a kernel change to not share memory. something like that anyway14:03
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, no.14:03
glass_hmm what some semi fresh distro for 770?14:03
glass_i got a 770 i should install something nice on..14:04
StskeepsGeneralAntilles, lcuk:
Stskeepssome items of midori definatively needs hildonizing14:05
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Stskeepsand some of the slowness of opening pages is cos of the crap line meiz is on :P14:06
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Stskeepsand this is even on a xorg without manual updates.. so its slowish already :P14:07
* GeneralAntilles is excited about Clutter.14:08
Stskeepsit'll be interesting for sure14:08
GeneralAntillesI'm really hoping people really take it and run with it.14:08
Stskeepsit can also very quickly be annoying14:08
GeneralAntillesWell, sure.14:08
GeneralAntillesAs with any flashy bullshit14:08
lcuki like the performance benefits and optimizations being made in the world :)14:08
lcukahhhh, i think i disconnected everything too quick, the scp session hadn't finished uploading last edited file14:09
GeneralAntillesI think simple stuff like inertial scrolling is gonna have a huge effect on usability.14:09
lcukrace condition caused by me shutting net off too quick?14:09
lcuki agree there gan :)14:10
lcukas long as its fluid it will be good14:10
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I have high expectations of you. :P14:11
lcuk:) we know its possible.  we know the direction we want to be in.  i hope we can manage it14:12
* lcuk wont take all of gans baggage though, theres many more in a team :P14:13
GeneralAntillesWho did the mockup of the MyPaint interface with the little radial selectors on the side?14:13
GeneralAntilles_That's_ what I really want to see.14:13
GeneralAntillesMyPaint is crippled by being multi-window.14:13
lcukpupnik discussed it14:13
lcukive just written an overlay for arbritary vcell widgets which allows corner control14:14
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lcukanyway, ive got about 2 hours, then im going seeing santa :D14:15
lcukthey have a snowy forest :D and i get my picture taken with him14:15
lcuk"dear santa, ive been a good boy all year, please please please can i have a tabletpc"14:16
lcuk(that runs linux)14:16
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, you mean ?14:17
lcukno qwerty, lemme dig ill try to find it (but thats very nice as well)14:18
qwerty12ah, cool14:18
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, that's not the one14:18
GeneralAntillesbut that's damn cool.14:18
qwerty12ah, ok14:18
GeneralAntillesTHAT'D be QUITE cool in Clutter14:18
GeneralAntillesTHAT'S what needs to be a Fremantle Star14:19
Stskeepsqwerty12: works under maemo btw14:19
GeneralAntillesHell, I could convert my mother from her damn iPhone with that.14:19
Stskeepscombined with streamripper it could be quite interesting14:19
qwerty12Stskeeps, nice14:19
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* GeneralAntilles wants all these cool UIs right now14:23
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pupnik_i did GeneralAntilles14:24
pupnik_could also be linear boxes14:24
lcukhiya pupnik_ speak of the devil :P14:24
pupnik_whatever - some quick select for alpha / pressure and brush size/shape14:24
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lcukpupnik_, you never saw my brightness applet did you14:25
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pupnik_i like the rock look14:26
pupnik_good use of space14:26
pupnik_should work with finger, unlike every other color selector in hildon14:26
lcukyeah, should work sloced up and small as well for those phobes who want tiny14:27
lcuksloced?   closed14:27
* lcuk needs to see a doctor :S14:27
pupnik_i is next to o14:28
lcukthat doesnt help me with s and c though ;)14:30
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: <- and this for a potential use .. :)14:33
Stskeepsmorning Meizirkki14:33
* pupnik_ has a mind sharp as a cooked tomato14:33
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps, nice! could be easier than  using that gtk-gnutella compile...14:34
Stskeepsi was mostly thinking of some alarm-using app that wakes up, caches music for you next morning, or something14:34
lcuknetworked alarm app that cahces music from your favorite station, then randomly switches the short mixes with people in the cloud, so you wake up to someone elses favorite everyday14:36
Stskeepslcuk: hehe.. yeah, that's possible too14:36
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qwerty12_N800Evidently, the hardness of using pressure sensitive applications on my N800 due to dropping it and bashing the N800 is showing. :/14:43
Stskeepsreason number one for not running sb2 as root, it will -probably- trash your original OS :>14:53
qwerty12_N800I swear sb1 fux up the permissions of /tmp each time :p14:53
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RST38hwhat is there?15:15
RST38hAnother UMPC?15:17
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: unlinkat called by a emulated arm binary orhost binary?15:19
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: emulated arm binary. in contrast, rename wrapping works15:21
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: iirc qemu calls some *at syscalls directly (instead of via glibc) so those don't get redirected15:22
suihkulokkiStskeeps: the sdk+ qemu is supposed to have workarounds for those15:22
Stskeepsalright, will look into that, ta15:22
Stskeepshad a problem of unlinkat getting mapped to actual syscall unlinkat(unmappedpath) so15:22
Stskeepswhich i guess is why sb2 shouldn't be run as root :)15:23
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Stskeepsthough after reading source for sbox2, i have respect for what it does15:24
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lcukStskeeps, thats like looking into the tardis15:25
suihkulokkisb2's mostly missing the last 5% (and some major fixings in linux-user qemu)15:25
suihkulokkiofcourse, the last 5% take most of the time :P15:26
lcukheh, 95% of sb2 was knocked up in a weekend, the other % has been ongoing since :P15:26
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inheritedhi, how can I start gpsd manually?15:33
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Stskeepssuihkulokki: that did the trick!15:35
Stskeeps(and thanks!)15:36
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: glad to help :)15:42
Stskeepsso, what's the last 5% stuff mostly about?15:42
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Meizirkkiwould the hw-kwyboard work in Mer is i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT15:49
infobotMeizirkki meant: would the hw-kwyboard work in Mer if i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT15:49
suihkulokkiStskeeps: basicly the stuff you end up bumping in - lack of docs, better help flags, some simple setup allowing you to use it without SDK+ etc15:49
StskeepsMeizirkki: possibly15:49
StskeepsMeizirkki: .. or just getting the xkbdata15:50
Stskeepsi think15:50
* Stskeeps continues with trying to get a sdk going15:50
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RST38h~curse SigmaTel16:07
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, SigmaTel !16:07
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konttori_nice.. firefox is coming to s60 as well
konttori_also, htlounge has interesting speculations16:23
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* disco_stu thinks the future is webkit16:24
GeneralAntillesCompetition never hurts16:25
konttori_I agree. It's goot to have two excellent open source engines out there16:26
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disco_stui want to install tear but16:29
disco_stuin diablo libicu is newer, so it wont install16:29
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Meizirkkidisco_stu: it worked here16:36
disco_stuusing libicu4?16:37
Meizirkkidon't know :P16:37
disco_stuyesterday was the first time i could use a n81016:42
disco_stuit wasnt what i expected16:42
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disco_stui guess i like more my n80016:43
disco_stuthe HW keyboard isnt that good16:44
Meizirkkiso, what did you expect?16:44
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disco_stuMeizirkki, i thought hw keyboard will allow very fast input..16:45
Meizirkkiwhat was the problem?16:46
disco_stui guess mostly the size of the keys16:48
Meizirkkin810 hw-keyboard keys does not really feel to pressed16:48
Meizirkkibut kb-sound helps :)16:49
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bearclaw_Hi, does anyone knows a way to setup a cross-toolchain for a n770 on an x86_64?16:49
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bearclaw_Bypassing the install script check for uname produces interesting results, but nothing functional.16:50
disco_stubearclaw_, use vmware with the sdk image16:51
karbasthere is somewhere in the web instructions for chrooted system?16:51
bearclaw_disco_stu: good idea. But I'd rather like a cross-compiler working in my standard environment if possible.16:53
Stskeepsbearclaw_: look at maemo sdk+ or the likes16:54
disco_stubearclaw_, good luck with that16:54
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bearclaw_Cross-building always seems to involve a lot of magic :)16:59
bearclaw_I got the cross-toolchain from codesourcery, gcc runs and its -v seems the same as the one in scratchbox. But executables made by the former gives "illegal instructions" when run on the n770.17:00
bearclaw_Whereas they work when built by the gcc in scratchbox.17:01
Stskeepsremembering to not have vfp, for instance? :P17:01
derfNOT have vpf?17:02
Stskeepsderf: yeah, no vfp on 77017:02
Stskeeps.. i think17:03
derfOh, right. 770.17:03
derfHardware floating point unit.17:03
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lcuk:( i burnt my hand17:12
Stskeepsexploding n810?17:12
lcukno, cooking bacon (for the first time in weeks).  got splashed by fat .  dropped rasher in17:13
lcukits not that bad, but hurting17:13
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Stskeeps~curse everything17:20
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, everything !17:20
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bef0rdsatisfaction guaranteed17:25
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Stskeepsafternoon b-man17:39
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GeneralAntillesLater for now, everybody.17:44
* GeneralAntilles wont be at this nick again until January.17:44
Stskeepsah - semester break?17:45
qwerty12_N800heh, enjoy GeneralAntilles :D17:45
Jaffabye GeneralAntilles17:46
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lcukpromotion to overlord?17:46
b-manIt's morning here. :p17:54
b-manhay qwerty, how are you  doing?17:54
qwerty12_N800hi b-man, i'm good thanks, how about you?17:55
Stskeepsooh. this ripper is going to be my next favourite tool17:55
b-manI'm doing fine, a bit grogy but fine..17:55
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b-manSo what are any of you guys going for the holidays?, i'm possibly going to Chicago.18:01
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Stskeepsa mix really.. day before xmas eve me and gf visit my dad and my family and have a traditional thing there.. and then she leaves for the south in .dk to spend xmas with her parents and brother.. and then i join up with them the day after xmas eve18:02
b-manedit: so whare are you guys going for the holidays?, i'm going to Chicago18:02
Stskeepsso a bit of travelling18:02
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b-mansorry. :p18:02
disco_stu~curse Scratchbox18:03
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Scratchbox !18:03
b-manI wish i was visiting my sister in california, it's really nice ware she lives.18:06
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disco_stub-man: where are you now ?18:09
b-manIn Bowling Green Ohio... it's really cold here......18:09
b-man(united states)18:10
b-manSitting behind a couch at my grandparents house. :p18:12
disco_stub-man: here is 30°C right now18:13
b-manit's probably about 25 F here... it got down to about 18 last night.18:14
disco_stuwow .. thats really cold18:15
lcukthats balls back in the body cold.18:15
lcuki hope you have good heaters18:15
qwerty12Damn that's cold!18:15
qwerty12(Thank god for google's calculator)18:16
b-manyah, it18:16
b-mansorry, damn on-screen keyboard!18:16
lcukif there was a god, there wouldnt be temps that low18:16
qwerty12b-man, hehe, pressed down on a letter?18:17
lcukif you lick your n810 bezel will your tongue stick to it18:17
b-mani hate the cold.18:17
lcukfight it then, with beans and sprouts18:17
lcuk(and supply gas masks)18:17
* disco_stu is going to have lunch18:17
disco_stusee you later guys18:18
lcukcya latert18:18
b-mansee ya18:18
lcukfight the cold with fart power18:18
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b-manThat's discusting.18:18
lcukbut helps global warming18:19
b-manHow does it help that?? it only adds greenhouse gases.18:20
Stskeepsb-man: obviously helps with getting things warmer.. :P18:21
b-manI usually ware a huge coat when ever i come out. :D18:21
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l7actually farting release methan gas, which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO218:25
l7so hold it in for the planet!18:25
RST38hDepends on who farts.18:25
Stskeepsglobal warming is alone caused by the existence of cows on the planet.18:25
x29awasnt me18:25
RST38hAnd his diet.18:25
* RST38h wonders loudly: Have dinosaurs brought it on yourselves?18:26
lcukx29a, whoever smelt it dealt it, now open the window you slack arsed cloud generator18:26
qwerty12damn x29a supplied it but it seems like it was multiplied by lcuk18:27
lcukand now you went and ignited it, thanks qwerty12 - you owe us all new eyebrows18:27
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Stskeepsb-man: - requires /bin/md5sum on maemo, debootstrap from , and a fresh ext3 partition. then, sh imager targets/mer-n800-fs-only /TARGET/FILESYSTEM  .. and it should bootstrap away. beware: not for faint at heart ;)18:28
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Stskeepsdont have a final image ready at this moment and im going somewhere in 30 mins so :P18:28
qwerty12lcuk, no problems18:29
* qwerty12 goes and cuts off some of lcuk's [short] hair18:29
jagernotcan somebody please once again be kind enough to test my synthesiser ...i tried to release a 1.1 update but it stayed at 1.0 :( ....18:33
jagernot thanks18:33
b-man@ Stskeeps; Thanks!18:35
christendocjagernot: you got source on it, or only the deb?18:36
jagernotchristendoc: i think its got both..or u can get it off
jagernotfrom SCM18:36
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jagernotchristendoc: works? :)18:44
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christendocjagernot: I don't know. You've only got a .deb available, and I'm not running maemo or deblet on my tablet.18:48
jagernotim sorry but i dont understand what you mean by ive only got a .deb available?18:49
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jagernotthank you for offering to test anyway.18:50
Stskeepschristendoc: .. what are you running then?18:51
christendocOn both your site and the maemo garage site, there's a boxar-1.1-1.deb available, but no source code available.18:51
christendocon tablet18:51
Stskeepsoh, someone actually succeeded? slon had to give up :P18:51
christendocI've got a ways to go, still, but yes. It boots.18:51
lcukStskeeps, he never stopped trying, its been building since March18:52
jagernotchristen: use svn and check it out18:52
lcukchristendoc, how far have you got with it then18:52
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jagernotchristendoc: boxar is free software :)18:52
christendocHad to patch maemo kernel to get non-eabi binaries (gentoo seeds are oldabi)18:52
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christendocSome kind souls here told me yesterday about linux-omap, and I'm playing with that today.18:52
b-manwow, ubuntu, debian, gentoo, android, maemo..... wow18:53
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Stskeepschristendoc: but you're on new abi then?18:53
christendocI'm trying to build new enough gcc to switch chost and get clean EABI built.18:53
Stskeepsb-man: yeah.. versatile device we have18:54
lcukchristendoc, are you emerging on device itself or hiding inside sb?18:55
christendocqemu and on-device. qemu I haven't gotten to work right, so mostly distcc between two n810s18:55
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lcuknice :)18:55
christendocwould be nicer if 1 n810's screen wasn't spider-web cracked18:56
Stskeepschristendoc: it's possible to distcc to a cross-compiler too18:56
lcukoh no18:56
Stskeepschristendoc: did that for a while when i got insane over compiling natively :P18:56
christendocYes. I used to with x86/64, but got some odd breakages back then, so I haven't tried with arm/x8618:57
b-manspider-web cracked?, what did you do to it?18:57
christendocdropped on asphalt (sp?) tile. Everything else works right, but I dunno how to replace a screen (or where to get one) hence 2 n810s now :)18:58
lcuksend for repair?18:59
lcukhave you enquired to nokia about cost?18:59
b-mantry googling for parts?18:59
christendocBoth my 810s were bought off ITT used. Tried google. Found n800 screens, no n810.18:59
b-manThat's too bad...19:00
christendocNokia themselves are very vague, and seem to want order# even if I tell them19:00
christendoc"its out of warranty"19:00
christendocjust want repair at whatever you'll charge19:00
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christendoc But now I've got a live box and a development box :)19:01
Stskeepschristendoc: you hack kernel up to boot your own partition, or use bootmenu?19:01
christendocno linuxrc19:01
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Stskeepssolca's working on a kexec enabled boot menu chooser19:01
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Stskeepswhich will probably be cross-distro (shared amongst mer, compatible with maemo, android, maybe gentoo? ;)19:02
b-manDo you have a console or desktop?19:03
bearclaw_that would be nice, no more fear of bricking while playing with the kernel19:03
christendocHas he got any info up on it?19:03
christendocStill at console (framebuffer)19:03
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Stskeepsmm, think he has a page, sec19:04
b-man@ christendoc; have you documented it somewhere?19:05
christendocThat's impressive looking.19:06
christendocb-man: I've got my OLD, OLD attempt documented (way too extensively) at, but the new (month-old) work I don't have recorded. It's much simpler than what I was trying19:06
christendocexcept -- need proper old ABI support -- that was a nasty to work out.19:07
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christendocGentoo has no EABI stages19:07
christendocbut I'll have one up soon :)19:07
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lcukhow did it get to 5pm19:14
lcukits 5pm and ive done nothing19:18
lcukwell, nothing productive :)19:18
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qwerty12Note to self: dpatch works best under scratchbox when you run it with fakeroot19:22
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b-manit's noon here.19:27
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StsN800christendoc, oh you're -that- guy (blog)19:44
christendoc:) do tell19:45
StsN800just read it at some point19:46
christendocWell, it's due for a massive update (but not nearly as massive as it was originally)19:46
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disco_studamn i cant install webkit under Diablo19:54
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RST38h~lawyers Linus Torvalds20:04
RST38hdoesn't work.20:04
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disco_stuRST38h: does finger detection work for you ?20:07
disco_stuit is supposed to open fullscrenn keyboard when i tap with my finger, but it opens the small one instead20:07
qwerty12disco_stu, are you using diablo?20:07
qwerty12should work  then, works for me on a N800 in diablo20:08
qwerty12in chinook they messed things up regarding finger detection but all was well in diablo20:08
disco_stuqwerty12: when i choose the fullscreen to open with finger and stylus it works20:08
disco_stuif i choose finger only it doesnt20:08
qwerty12odd :/. I guess stylus + finger makes it more sensitive20:09
Meizirkkinew synaptic sucks20:09
disco_stuqwerty12: i found a parameter in gconf-editor20:10
disco_stuit says thumb_detection20:10
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disco_stumoved from 0 to 120:10
MeizirkkiNew synaptic automatically build some kind of search index thing and it takes soo much memory, that the whole X crashes20:10
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disco_stuand get the same effect when choose finger + stylus20:11
qwerty12Meizirkki, damn, that sucks. it reminds me of what the current hildon application manager does now :/20:11
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disco_stuit freaks me out20:23
disco_stuqwerty12: do you have different keyboards when using finger/stylus ?20:24
qwerty12yes, but I'm in the habit of pressing with my thumb20:24
disco_stuwhy it doesnt work to me ?20:25
disco_sturotation patch ?20:25
disco_stumy fingers are 6 times a stylus20:28
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Meizirkkiwhere can i get dsmetool (for mer) ?20:45
qwerty12_N800it's closed source.. you can try copying it from initfs or maemo20:47
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qwerty12_N800but dsmetool runs apps (with conditions, granted), you could probably get around from having to use it20:48
Meizirkkii installed osso-esd20:50
Meizirkkifrom deblet repo20:50
Meizirkkiso there should be package containing dsmetools somewhere around20:51
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Meizirkkihmm, is there a autostart-script where i could add xmodmap and xbindkeys ?20:52
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olivlucachristendoc,  when I bought a screen for my n800, mytrendyohone had also one for the 810, around 80 EUR21:03
christendocolivluca: Nice! thanks for the tip.21:04
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Meizirkkihi solca21:06
solcahi Meizirkki21:07
Meizirkkilatest android is really nice :)21:07
solcathx, it seems is improving nicely...21:07
Meizirkkihow did you make the Fn key work?21:08
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solcaI create a custom charmap that fits exactly the N810 keyboard21:08
solcaalthough Ctrl doesn't work21:09
solcait does work but Android doesn't have the notion about that key21:09
solcaso it's useless21:09
solcatoo I used the andrewfblack's artwork for the nitdroid animation21:10
Meizirkkiit looks pretty cool now :)21:10
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solcaI'll keep improving it as it uses opengl es21:11
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solcaso there's room for improvement21:11
Meizirkkiis opengl es = software based acceleration ?21:12
olivlucachristendoc,  I commented about mytrendyphone here
Mouseygl-es is a subset of GL for small devices,, the iPhone is GL-ES21:12
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Mouseyit's still hardware GL21:12
Mouseybut less extensions21:13
Mouseyuh, i think21:13
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glass_the chip does less, but accels anyways21:13
solcaMeizirkki: opengl es = opengl for embedded systems21:13
glass_remember virge was sold as a 3d card of sorts..21:13
solcaMeizirkki: but it's not hardware accelerated in the NITs21:13
solcaMeizirkki: as there are no drivers...21:13
glass_it's just an api21:14
christendocolivluca: Where'd you get the torx bit (online?)21:14
Meizirkkisolca: ok21:15
solcaMeizirkki: does dns resolution works fine for you? in some APs I can't surf without manually setting the DNS21:15
olivlucaI got it at a local store21:15
christendocare you in germany? (only nation mentioned in your post)21:18
olivlucanope, spain21:18
Meizirkkisolca: worked with my AP21:18
olivlucabut the german shop had less vat :-)21:19
solcaMeizirkki: ok21:19
christendocgot it. I'm US. Had trouble finding torx without ebay. Gave up. Got new n810. Used old one as experimental box.21:19
* lcuk raises a glass to christendoc for being productive with the worlds first headless touchscreen tablet21:22
christendocheh heh, thanks, lcuk21:23
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Proteousworlds firts? what about my 2 wsod 770s21:28
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b-manI've just finished creating a instalation launcher for the Mer imager; it basicly mounts/formats your mmc partition and then launches the imager with all of the parameters you would specifie in the launcher. - a little crude but it works! ;)21:29
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Meizirkkisolca: could you add instructions "how to get maemo back" to the NITdroid page?21:31
Meizirkkiif there is no better server i have uploaded the original diablo kernel to
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dick-richardsonis it possible to use the built-in chat client to send/receive sms via google chat?21:58
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christendocyou can send by email if you know the carrier.21:59
Mouseyi doubt google set up a sms gateway21:59
Mouseythey don't have any other gateways installed, hell you can't even do file xfers over their xmpp, so why would they have implemented anything else correctly?21:59
* Mousey rants21:59
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dick-richardsonI knew about email...just figured it'd be a nice ui if the built-in chat client could do it...oh well :/22:00
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