| lcuk | yes, i want my tablet oriented the other way - ive wanted it for a while but i made a big cockup at the start and it was difficult to make it work without having to hard code every bit in | 00:00 |
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| zakkm | jeward, dont know much about the nokia's debian/maemo but would using apt-get versus application manager.. help? | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | this sounds like apt-get tbh | 00:00 |
| jeward | tbh? | 00:01 |
| zakkm | to be honest | 00:01 |
| lcuk | to be honest | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, does liqbase check the contents of the cpu scripts? i edited the powersave script to run transset-df but liqbase refuses to run it :/. is this some industrial strength security system :p? | 00:01 |
| jeward | Meaning I should try apt-get instead? | 00:02 |
| zakkm | jeward: yes | 00:02 |
| lcuk | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 00:02 |
| lcuk | no | 00:02 |
| jeward | AOK, as soon as this finishes. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | its probably a user permisionns thing now | 00:02 |
| zakkm | lcuk: should jeward try apt-get -f install ... ? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | cos you will have edited it and saved as root or something | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k, thanks | 00:02 |
| zakkm | sounds like it might help | 00:02 |
| jeward | Edited what as root? | 00:02 |
| cyberholic | hi i am back. to those that i told about the flickr Mojo at mojocafe.net this afternoon, i just would like to thank and inform you that i changed the flickr mojo like you asked to. You can now enter a word at the start and will then be presented with the proper images. thanks again for your support! | 00:02 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i wouldnt have the foggiest | 00:02 |
| zakkm | jeward: do "sudo apt-get install -f" | 00:03 |
| zakkm | ahh | 00:03 |
| jeward | Will do. | 00:03 |
| zakkm | jeward: "sudo gainroot && apt-get install -f" | 00:03 |
| zakkm | or is it -f install? | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it's in /usr/bin, i have no choice but to edit as root (but chown user:uses would work too I guess) | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i run "sudo liqbase-cpu-XXXXX" and since last time i tried that as root it moaned at me thats the only thing i can think ok | 00:04 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: school-boy error | 00:04 |
| lcuk | to all blind users leading other blind users doing apt-get update thingies: take bloody care. jeward watch yourself and read up before you go any further | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fair enough :) | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, :p | 00:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: one-line fix to the problem | 00:05 |
| lcuk | "can think of" | 00:05 |
| jeward | lcuk: I administer debian for a living. ;-) | 00:05 |
| zakkm | lol | 00:05 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i asked you first, you had no idea ;p but yeah | 00:05 |
| zakkm | no apt-get remove kernel** :P | 00:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I was talking about Qalculate btw | 00:05 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i didnt try to send him down the command path tho :P | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, ah! | 00:06 |
| lcuk | jeward, then why so many questions :P | 00:06 |
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| jeward | lcuk: Cause I don't want to have to reflash it? :-) | 00:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, nice work master lardman | 00:06 |
| * zakkm goes to high school for his living :P | 00:06 | |
| lcuk | then administer it | 00:06 |
| * jeward is hoping someone knows more than he does. | 00:06 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 goes to update the debianisations of kismet on his tablet... | 00:07 | |
| lcuk | do i finish what i started lastnight and write a quick desktop server host for liqbase : in vb | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | waaa vb waaa | 00:07 |
| lcuk | SLAP | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | OW | 00:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:08 |
| jeward | Oh this is funny. | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 00:08 |
| lardman | gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file() causes the problem | 00:08 |
| zakkm | my kid keeps drawing in liqbase on my nokia, thanks to the liqbase-desktop he does it no more ;p | 00:08 |
| jeward | It says to do "apt-get auto-remove" and then says auto-remove is an invalid operation. :-) | 00:08 |
| zakkm | theres a flag auto-remove? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | liqbase-desktop? ahh the qwerty thing | 00:09 |
| zakkm | you said quick desktop server host ? | 00:09 |
| zakkm | i thought you mean vnc'ing the nokia, to control liqbase | 00:09 |
| zakkm | sorry ;p | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeward, apt-get autoremove | 00:09 |
| lardman | right Debian gurus, how do I create a Packages file? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | lol zakkm, i mean having my sketches float up the screen from all connected hosts as they are drawn | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, extras! | 00:10 |
| lcuk | and pulled into clouds | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: apt-ftparchive maybe | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | or reprepro | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 00:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: all in the fullness ;) | 00:10 |
| jeward | qwerty12_N800: Thanks! | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 00:10 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: do I have to put my email address in, or does the builder do it for me automatically? | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you have to do it yourself | 00:11 |
| lardman | right | 00:11 |
| suihkulokki | lardman: easiest way is dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz | 00:11 |
| lardman | thanks suihkulokki | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i assume you mean in files like debian/control changelog etc | 00:11 |
| suihkulokki | assuming you just have a few debs in dir . | 00:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll put up a temporary repo, don't tell GeneralAntilles | 00:12 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: yep, thanks :) | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hehe, you pinged him :O | 00:12 |
| lardman | damn! ;) | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, for everyone interested in Mer project structure.. here's a raw sketch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , - i'd love any sort of constructive comment | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not final in -any- way, just proposals | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, IT SUCKS! :P :D | 00:13 |
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| jeward | All better! :-) | 00:13 |
| jeward | Thanks Guys! | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | constructive enough? :p | 00:13 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: working on a platform file for the 770 now | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright | 00:14 |
| r2d2rogers | mer_installer/platforms/nokia-770 missing line 6 of imager script | 00:14 |
| jeward | What do you guys think of Andoir? | 00:14 |
| jeward | Er, Andoird? | 00:14 |
| jeward | Android even. | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hmm? | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | er | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm? | 00:15 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: sorry, error in line 6 of the imager script, missing platforms/nokia-770 | 00:15 |
| r2d2rogers | or... can't open... same think | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin your target and your sh imager command line, and your platform file | 00:16 |
| r2d2rogers | don't ahve a platform fileyet ;) | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 00:16 |
| qgil | there has been a lot of feedback about the kernel and then yerga had a look at Hildon too but... | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, re the usb menu thing, can't you use ke-recv to do that? ke-recv is basically that, it runs usb-massstorage-enable.sh which does the work of insmodding g_file_storage | 00:16 |
| qgil | are you aware of feedback on all the rest in between? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, working hard on the rest personally | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | .. but so far i don't see any bad things, - as a maemo developer, that is | 00:17 |
| qgil | not seeing any bad thing is good | 00:17 |
| qgil | what about seeing good things? :) | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | oh, plenty - we're getting what was told at summit, so | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | and those are postive developments | 00:18 |
| zakkm | jeward: it actually worked? | 00:18 |
| jeward | Yep! | 00:18 |
| lcuk | qgil, doesnt the summit seem like such a long time ago | 00:18 |
| jeward | I specifically had it install libdb4.2. | 00:18 |
| * lcuk cant wait for the next one :) | 00:18 | |
| jeward | Then it automatically installed libxml2. | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: i think most people are unsure what to think just yet as it is, a pre-alpha, and we don't know much about the actual tablet, and we don't know much about the new UI | 00:19 |
| qgil | I guess we'll need to pull the people around the upstream projects to find out if there is anything in the Fremantle implementation worth commenting | 00:19 |
| zakkm | lcuk: see it was safe :P | 00:19 |
| lardman | qgil: we're just waiting for Stskeeps to give us a decent Fremantle image to use ;) | 00:19 |
| lardman | come on Stskeeps! :) | 00:19 |
| zakkm | fremantle image? | 00:19 |
| lardman | well Mer with Fremantle components then | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i think the fremantle core shows one thing: nokia have been busy working on the new tablet for a while | 00:19 |
| lcuk | we are gonna have so much to play with \o/ | 00:20 |
| qgil | you're so obsessed about the new hardware... | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | tablet lovers, all of us :P | 00:20 |
| lardman | qgil: of course, but new software is cool too | 00:21 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: you want to try Qalculate! ? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | heh - qgil :) as you know i work extremely hard to give maximum performance on this hardware and its gonna live for a long time - i just want a camera | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, sure, please | 00:21 |
| qgil | It's a pity that the media application framework didn't make to this first release just for a bit since then the multimedia area would be basically complete | 00:22 |
| zakkm | will OMAP3 bring a huge boost? im trying to think if its worth waiting and get | 00:22 |
| zakkm | or just keep my nokia n800 and buy a cheap subnotebook or something | 00:23 |
| qgil | I expected more feedback in this area considering the amount of media players and codec lovers around, the dsp debates tc | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: positive things: gcc4, updated gtk, gst-openmax, gupnp, clutter, matchbox wm 2, updated libhildon, new linux kernel, that it's 100% oss, the use of pulseaudio instead of esound, python in sdk.. | 00:23 |
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| Stskeeps | and dspbridge looks very nice too | 00:23 |
| qgil | python got there through the rear door, actually | 00:23 |
| zakkm | isnt pulseaudio very uhh high cpu compared to esound? | 00:24 |
| zakkm | it was for my desktop | 00:24 |
| zakkm | i guess they might add some hardware stuff so it doesnt, but just normally.. doesnt it?: | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | depends on usage i guess | 00:24 |
| lardman | qgil: it's during the week, I've had day-job to do too! :) | 00:24 |
| qgil | aahhhh, true lardman :) | 00:24 |
| qgil | following ITt and this chatroom that is a detail easy to forget about many of you :) | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i was sitting half shell shocked in the middle of a class when the announcement came :P | 00:25 |
| lardman | we should probably do a wiki page saying what's new in Fremantle and how it will be cool, etc | 00:25 |
| lcuk | qgil - its the same for you though isnt it, you are off the clock now aren't you | 00:25 |
| zakkm | how old are all of you? | 00:25 |
| qgil | btw, thanks for all the time and enrgy you are putting on this | 00:25 |
| lardman | zakkm: 30 | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: 24 | 00:25 |
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| zakkm | wow maybe im too young for irc | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i started on irc when i was 13 | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:26 |
| zakkm | started at like 11 -.- | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm, 16 | 00:26 |
| zakkm | fine | 00:26 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: hmm, can I just stick up a straight feed or do I need random distro stuff too? | 00:26 |
| zakkm | too young for this channel ;p , im 17 | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | pft :P | 00:26 |
| qgil | btw, do you know the creator of the IRC protocol wirks in the maemo SW team | 00:26 |
| qgil | works | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | eh, jarkko? | 00:26 |
| zakkm | how many creators were there? | 00:26 |
| lardman | cool :) | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't he in biology? :P | 00:26 |
| r2d2rogers | zakkm: 30 | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, don't understand you, sorry? | 00:26 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: yes, perhaps you even find his name in the changelogs you are scanning these days | 00:27 |
| ^Tux^ | watch out.. Sts will get a big head if you brag of his whorage of the IRC protocol | 00:27 |
| ^Tux^ | ;P | 00:27 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: well I have feed/*.deb atm, do I need some sort of /diablo/ stuff in there? | 00:27 |
| * lardman knows nothing much about packaging, we should hire someone ;) | 00:27 | |
| zakkm | wasnt that proposed? | 00:28 |
| zakkm | on maemo.org? | 00:28 |
| lardman | yes, I'm joking | 00:28 |
| zakkm | if i learn, would you guys hire me? :P | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: interesting tidbit | 00:28 |
| lcuk | qgil, thanks go to you and your team also - we might have different focus and drive but the goal is the same: a nokia/maemo device in our hands | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i'm more of a packager than a repo manager :/. pm me (or whatever) with a link to the repo | 00:28 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: is the debootstrap pacakse supposed to create /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jaunty? | 00:28 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: hang on, will scan this quickly http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto | 00:29 |
| qgil | speaking of IRC, Soumya & co had also a funny time getting the RTCom stuff out in this first release | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: no, just refer directly to the jaunty debootstrap file | 00:29 |
| * r2d2rogers wishes he could blame line noise for his garbled typing | 00:29 | |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: there's a debootstrap package on ports.ubuntu.com | 00:29 |
| qgil | and this is another part not tied to hardware or ui | 00:29 |
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| andre__ | hi qgil, do you know if there's some kind of versioning system for the fremantle alphas planned, | 00:29 |
| lardman | qgil: will location info now I hope? :) | 00:30 |
| andre__ | or if stuff in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ will be just added every week? | 00:30 |
| lardman | s/will/with | 00:30 |
| andre__ | in the same dir | 00:30 |
| lcuk | andre__, yes, this is the first - there will be a second, followed by a third :P | 00:30 |
| qgil | andre__: mmmm not yet - I was thinking about this specially when the weekly releases arrive | 00:30 |
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| qgil | andre__: now is the right time to discuss all this | 00:31 |
| andre__ | qgil, just wondering about bug reports - the date they were filed of course works somehow(TM) and it would be less work for me to not create new versions every week :-P | 00:31 |
| lcuk | right, ill bbl ive got some coding to be doing :) cyas later folks | 00:31 |
| andre__ | on the other hand it can increase confusion sometimes | 00:31 |
| qgil | andre__: whatever works best for you | 00:31 |
| andre__ | heh... i can live with anything, as long as i don't have to change the names later on | 00:32 |
| andre__ | so how do i call this version? 5.0prealpha? | 00:32 |
| andre__ | and what comes next in a few weeks? 5.0alpha? | 00:32 |
| qgil | 5.0prealpha1? | 00:32 |
| andre__ | (problem will be that the sorting of versions will be alphabetic) | 00:32 |
| qgil | alpha = API complete and it will take more than one go | 00:32 |
| andre__ | bugzilla does not support non-alphabetic version sorting (only for target milestones) | 00:33 |
| andre__ | so 5.0prealpha will be after 5.0alpha in the dropdown :-/ | 00:33 |
| r2d2rogers | Retrieving Packages ... | 00:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo/stable/main/binary-armel/ | 00:34 |
| qgil | andre__: if you think my brain can gt any useful thought at this time of my long day... ;) | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: remembered to put swap on? | 00:34 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: still uploading, make of the structure what you will :) | 00:34 |
| andre__ | qgil, want a beer too? :-) | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, thanks :) | 00:34 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yessir | 00:34 |
| qgil | not a beer but a bed | 00:34 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: good, let's see where it goes :P | 00:34 |
| qgil | spaking of which... | 00:34 |
| andre__ | no need to decide today :) | 00:34 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: and let me know what works for you in ham | 00:34 |
| mike_xcr | how i install e17 on my n800 ? | 00:34 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: also remembered to wipe deblet from the partition first ;) | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: always good | 00:35 |
| qgil | anyway, good night! | 00:35 |
| andre__ | good night! | 00:35 |
| Stskeeps | goodnight qgil! | 00:35 |
| lardman | night qgil | 00:35 |
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| lardman | mike_xcr: where have you heard about this? | 00:35 |
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| r2d2rogers | doh | 00:36 |
| r2d2rogers | reboot | 00:36 |
| r2d2rogers | will double check swap <G> | 00:37 |
| mike_xcr | lardman: wait sec | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: 770 is definately an area tar.gz might be considered.. | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:37 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: I mean as an Angstrom image, or packages to install on a maemo system? | 00:37 |
| mike_xcr | lardman: http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News | 00:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: fineshed uploading, please give it a go | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool trying it out. thanks! | 00:38 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: that screenshot is from a PC you know | 00:38 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: best idea is to try an Angstrom image, though you'll find the battery life isn't good | 00:39 |
| mike_xcr | lardman: search Sunday, 17 June 2007 on this page | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | so, no comments on the draft? :P | 00:39 |
| lardman | 2007! | 00:39 |
| lcuk | LAG! | 00:40 |
| lcuk | damn this irc, ill bb tomorrow | 00:40 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: no e17 on that page | 00:40 |
| r2d2rogers | o/ reboot loops FTL | 00:40 |
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| lardman | or the two either side | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you didn't install accidentially to your jffs, did you? :P | 00:41 |
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| lardman | anyway, you'll still need to try an Angstrom imahe | 00:41 |
| mike_xcr | ok | 00:41 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: nope it's the media find thig again I think | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:41 |
| r2d2rogers | took out the card to kill it | 00:41 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: which means you'll need to build it yourself I guess, as the Nokia devices aren't available in the feeds any more | 00:42 |
| mike_xcr | lardman: i have - maybe impossible - question, can i get xfce or icewm on my n800? | 00:42 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: sorry I can't be of more help | 00:42 |
| mike_xcr | lardman: ok :-) | 00:42 |
| lardman | mike_xcr: yes, that you can do with deblet | 00:42 |
| lardman | I think | 00:42 |
| lardman | Stskeeps ? | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: yeah | 00:42 |
| lardman | see above | 00:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I need to Hildonise it, that menu takes up too much space | 00:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, directory structure is a little funky, i'm still wrestling in vain trying to get the app manager to see it | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, heh :) | 00:45 |
| lardman | lol | 00:45 |
| lardman | what about just the url, no other params? | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you'll need to make http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo into http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, apt insists on using dists :/ | 00:47 |
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| lardman | done | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks | 00:47 |
| lardman | hmm, ham checking for updates can't be cancelled, sounds bug-like to me | 00:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | time to go into red pill :) | 00:48 |
| lardman | does anyone know how to structure a debian repo? | 00:48 |
| lardman | hang on, will try to tweak dir struct | 00:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, you'll need to update packages.gz to reflect the new directory structure | 00:54 |
| lardman | ah | 00:54 |
| lardman | that may be difficult | 00:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | no problems, i'll use wget & dpkg :p | 00:55 |
| lardman | you sure? | 00:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yep, i can add the repo fine ; just when downloading, i get a package not found | 00:56 |
| lardman | I think Packages.gz us ok, probably in the wrong sections mind you | 00:56 |
| r2d2rogers | round 2, bootstrap! | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hmm, i see, you're right. lemme clean it out here | 00:57 |
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| lardman | try adding::: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/, diablo, main | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | done that :) | 00:57 |
| * lardman hates Debian packaging | 00:58 | |
| lardman | ok, looks like it works from red pill mode for me | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, think it's messing me around..i'll just use dpkg | 00:59 |
| lardman | do try an apt-get, see what it says | 01:00 |
| mike_xcr | ok guys, i go, bye :-) | 01:01 |
| lardman | bye mike_xcr | 01:01 |
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| * lardman wonders if omap3 pvr patch will give insight into the omap2 situation | 01:01 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, "Failed to fetch http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/./qalculate-gtk_0.9.6-2_armel.deb 404 Not Found" which is B.S because "deb http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/ diablo main" | 01:02 |
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| lardman | strange | 01:02 |
| lardman | sorry | 01:02 |
| lardman | just grab cln, qalculate-gtk & lib | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np, the problem is on my side :) | 01:03 |
| lardman | the other deps are for giac | 01:03 |
| lardman | I don;t think qalculate even wanted gmp this time | 01:03 |
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| zakkm | nokia 770? isnt it too slow to do stuff? :P | 01:05 |
| zakkm | my old n770 was reallyy slow | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yay! works nicely :p. just edit the corresponding Makefile.[.in & .am] and add a /hildon on the end of desktop_DIR :p | 01:07 |
| lardman | zakkm: old name, as I started doing this back then :) | 01:07 |
| lardman | ok, can do that easily | 01:07 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I see nothing like that anywhere | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, hrm, it may be added differently. you'll figure it out way before then, but i'll look tomorrow | 01:10 |
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| lardman | dunno about that :D | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P | 01:12 |
| r2d2rogers | zakkm: I'm attempting to get Mer on my 770 right now | 01:12 |
| zakkm | ah | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but yeah, the size of those menus! :p | 01:13 |
| lardman | aargh, why are all the dev docs on maemo.org pdfs now? | 01:13 |
| lardman | I'm looking for the tutorial to work out how to Hildonise, can't find the bloody thing any more | 01:13 |
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| zakkm | lardman: http://umeguide.net/C/ch07s04.html ? | 01:15 |
| lardman | found it under maemo 4.0 | 01:16 |
| lardman | thanks tho | 01:16 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how much of a problem it will be that we probably can't redistribute nokia imagery | 01:18 | |
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| zakkm | ? | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | community edition | 01:18 |
| zakkm | why dont they let us | 01:18 |
| zakkm | its not like we wont evantually? | 01:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles shoots daggers at lardman. :P | 01:19 | |
| Stskeeps | lo GA | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 01:19 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , more scratch stuff | 01:20 |
| lardman | hey GA | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, repository.maemo.org/community was already essentially agreed upon | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | alright, sounds good | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, it's our fracking server and we'll put whatever the frack we want on it. :P | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, let me know how it goes, i could hildonize (or ratherm attempt to - my success rate varies depending on the program) parts and clean up the packaging a bit | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, as for the scrum, I'd just as soon clone the maemo.org infrastructure and continue using it. | 01:21 |
| zakkm | Id like to learn Mer Testing :) | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | k | 01:21 |
| zakkm | join* | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though clearly you've become attached to Jaiku, so maybe maintain that as another, finer (and optional), layer of granularity on reporting. | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, so far just a draft, zakkm, but testing will definately be needed | 01:22 |
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| zakkm | i like saying whats wrong with stuff :) | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, and im not 100% sure jaiku is the best thing | 01:22 |
| zakkm | and how it should be improved ;p | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's the facility of microblogging im fond of | 01:22 |
| lardman | hildon-1 is called something else now isn't it? | 01:22 |
| Stskeeps | libhildon1 or something | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, when you hit me with that earlier draft, I was thinking the Mer council was actually a separate council. | 01:23 |
| lardman | oh no, it seems to be there actually | 01:23 |
| lardman | weird | 01:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: oh, i actually say maemo council in all of mine | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which was actually good, since I wasn't totally keen on deciding a direction for Mer. :P | 01:23 |
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| Stskeeps | it was just to glue mer into the maemo.org organisation | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm plenty happy to play the PR and business manager, though. ;) | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either way, it doesn't actually matter. | 01:24 |
| zakkm | im happy to take all the donations :) | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | but there might be a need for a mer council or the likes / council of team leaders or something | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | to cooperate | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer gets to use the Council name for glue and a little extra brand boost, and you guys get to do whatever the fuck you want. ;) | 01:25 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: a "working group" :) | 01:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 01:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Texrat now occupies 90% of my Jaiku updates | 01:27 |
| Stskeeps | saw his comment on you? :P | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I need some more talkative contacts, or maybe just more contacts, or maybe an "only every 5th" for Texrat. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no, missed it. | 01:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=248314&postcount=99 <- this one, i meant :) | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:29 |
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| zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internet:Microb_Tweaks do the about:config still apply? | 01:31 |
| zakkm | Speed tweaks specific for the Internet Tablets: **** | 01:32 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I give up | 01:33 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: can't find the examples I was looking for about what needs to be replaced to Hildonise it | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N801 | lardman, i'll have a go tomorrow, if i succeed, you get a patch :) | 01:35 |
| lardman | cool, will upload the source in a mo | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where should I put this email bug. . . . | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__! | 01:36 |
| lardman | except Nautilus is playing silly-buggers with its backend (sftp that is) | 01:36 |
| qwerty12_N801 | lardman, no need to tell me... | 01:36 |
| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 01:38 | |
| lardman | ~lart bloody Nautilus for randomly being crap and not saying why! | 01:40 |
| * infobot stuffs bloody Nautilus into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it for randomly being crap and not saying why! | 01:40 | |
| lardman | qwerty12_N801: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/ | 01:41 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: one thing people completely missed out on is that nokia starts giving us 100% open source wifi driver.. | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N801 | thanks lardman, i'll note that :) | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | and that's a big move too | 01:42 |
| Stskeeps | like, from the start | 01:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N801: np | 01:45 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N801: I can give you the cln source and qalculate source too if you want to stick it in extras (but tell me how as you do it so I know for next time) | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I noticed that. | 01:49 |
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| jakemaheu | oh hai | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N801 | lardman, Hmm, dunno, having it in extras would be nice... but for now, if you don't mind, we'll use your repo as qalculate extras-devel :p | 01:49 |
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| lardman | yeah fine by me | 01:50 |
| lardman | we should hildonise it first anyway, I'll look into that tomorrow | 01:50 |
| jakemaheu | does anyone know where i can get fsdisk for diablo? | 01:50 |
| jakemaheu | or some other partitioning utility | 01:51 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N801: btw, it won't be rip-roaringly, ring-stingingly fast yet as I need to compile libm with vfp and do some LD_LIBRARY_PATH trickery to get it to use that one | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N801 | lardman, heh, it's not at a bad speed already (bearing in mind testing = 1 +1) :p | 01:53 |
| lardman | depends if you use trig fns, and the like, unless they have been replaced by cln (not sure about that) | 01:53 |
| lardman | where and the like: exp(), sqrt(), log/ln() | 01:53 |
| lardman | right, bed time for me, see you all tomorrow | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N801 | night lardman | 01:54 |
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| jakemaheu | anyone? | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish we could get rid of that silly profanity filter on itT. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's so silly. . . . | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, at least Reggie doesn't care if you "circumvent" it... | 01:56 |
| jakemaheu | i need to format my memory card so that I have four partitions: a user-space one on mmcblk0p1, an empty one on mmcblk0p2, a linux83 fs on mmcblk0p3, and another empty one on mmcblk0p4 | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, yeah, I've know a few places to be a bit extreme about that. | 01:57 |
| jakemaheu | i have e2fsprogs installed | 01:57 |
| jakemaheu | any ideas? | 01:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes qwerty12_N801 would give us a nice partitioning application. :P | 01:58 | |
| * jakemaheu wishes someone could help, lol | 01:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | sfdisk | 01:58 |
| jakemaheu | really? | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, i put cfdisk & parted in extras-devel :p | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card | 01:59 |
| jakemaheu | @GeneralAntilles: I love you. | 01:59 |
| jakemaheu | Also, where abouts in MI do you live-- I'm in Port Huron | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, I haven't looked at penguinbait's new "management tools" | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any good? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody lives in MI? | 01:59 |
| qwerty12_N801 | GeneralAntilles, same, i don't have any experience with it either :/ | 02:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N801, those deb packages were just way to evil. :P | 02:00 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Especially with Linus saying how linux should be pronounced on bootup :p | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 02:02 |
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| jakemaheu | has anyone tried nitdroid on the n800 yet? | 02:07 |
| qwerty12_N801 | you could be the first, but then you'll find you won't be able to use tne touchscreen | 02:08 |
| jakemaheu | eff | 02:09 |
| zakkm | lol | 02:11 |
| zakkm | is it speedy yet? | 02:11 |
| zakkm | compared to maemo? | 02:11 |
| jakemaheu | i dunno, i've gotta do a few more things | 02:11 |
| jakemaheu | it appears to be, besides bootup | 02:11 |
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| whooper | hey guise | 03:47 |
| whooper | i got nitdroid working-- kinda | 03:48 |
| whooper | however, i get some errors | 03:48 |
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| whooper | anyone know how to help? | 03:48 |
| whooper | anybody? | 03:49 |
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| jagernot | got a youtube video of boxar now | 04:09 |
| jagernot | if anyone wants to see.. | 04:09 |
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| disco_stu | jagernot, i want to see it | 04:16 |
| jagernot | hehe disco | 04:16 |
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| jagernot | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQI4-7u46c | 04:16 |
| disco_stu | whats up | 04:16 |
| jagernot | didnt know 1 could play deep purple on boxar :D | 04:17 |
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| jagernot | that really made my day | 04:17 |
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| disco_stu | the only piece of music i could put together | 04:18 |
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| disco_stu | someone refusing to use matchbox? | 04:25 |
| jagernot | disco_stu u saw it? | 04:25 |
| disco_stu | jagernot, yeah, liked it :) | 04:26 |
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| jagernot | sorry i just nicked ur tune ;) | 04:26 |
| disco_stu | its awesome :) | 04:26 |
| jagernot | did u get the latest version? | 04:27 |
| jagernot | thats got the decay time adjust on it | 04:27 |
| jagernot | but then ah u dont have a keyboard on n800 | 04:27 |
| jagernot | u have to keep clicking the menu option then ... sorry :) | 04:27 |
| disco_stu | i have an usb kbd sometimes use for mailing | 04:28 |
| disco_stu | my n800 is about to lose power | 04:28 |
| disco_stu | i need to plug it now | 04:28 |
| jagernot | all the synth parameters can be played with now | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gogogo | 04:29 |
| jagernot | general how r u | 04:29 |
| jagernot | sorry about yesterday just lost it for a few seconds | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bored with studying | 04:30 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, is there any way i could switch batteries wthout turning nit off | 04:31 |
| r2d2rogers | Good Evening | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, no, disco_stu, there's no "fat cap" to keep it alive. | 04:31 |
| r2d2rogers | anyone up to helping me trouble shoot a failed mer imager run? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, I wish there were, since it'd be such a simple thing to add | 04:32 |
| disco_stu | because some guy told me he was running his nit without a battery | 04:32 |
| disco_stu | he plugged the charger and removed bat | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, he's either lying or did some surgery to solder on power leads directly to the battery terminals | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a lie. | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Suspend to disk might be a workable option | 04:33 |
| jagernot | disco_stu do u have the power on drama too? | 04:34 |
| jagernot | i have that with my n810 | 04:34 |
| jagernot | i found a few minutes in the freezer works..so far | 04:34 |
| jagernot | wrap it up in a plastic cover | 04:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jagernot, um, did you upgrade the firmware? :\ | 04:38 |
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| jagernot | no general, im too scared... | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 04:39 |
| jagernot | i have a nice environment going | 04:39 |
| jagernot | i write code, it runs on the tablet | 04:39 |
| jagernot | everytime i try to do this upgrade/downgrade i tend to brick it for a week at least | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you're running what, 42-19? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | :\ | 04:40 |
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| jagernot | hehe better..50-2 | 04:40 |
| jagernot | 2.2007.50-2 | 04:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still old | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | 51-3 has the NOLO fixes | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, that's WAAAY old | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | upgrade to Diablo already. | 04:41 |
| jagernot | can i downgrade if it doesnt work? | 04:41 |
| disco_stu | jagernot: yes | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:41 |
| disco_stu | but you wont | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can flash whatever you want with the FIASCO images | 04:41 |
| jagernot | do i have to recompile boxar? | 04:41 |
| disco_stu | no | 04:41 |
| jagernot | nice | 04:41 |
| jagernot | so that means esound (whatever u think general ;) works | 04:42 |
| jagernot | nice | 04:42 |
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| * disco_stu is going to play css for a while | 04:42 | |
| jagernot | once ive submitted my entry to the nokia competition i will do this i think | 04:42 |
| jagernot | so in a week's time | 04:43 |
| jagernot | i think its an exciting time for maemo | 04:46 |
| jagernot | if it gets on a future nokia phone even better | 04:46 |
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| fiferboy | There's a new Personal Menu in extras-devel | 05:24 |
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| fiferboy | If anyone finds any problems, let me know | 05:26 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong (though I got to sleep soon) | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I was gonna ask where to file #3922 | 05:59 |
| timeless | sleep is for the week | 05:59 |
| timeless | sleep is for the weak | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I just stuck it in SDK general | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sleeping all week sounds good to me. | 05:59 |
| andre__ | sleep? overestimated | 05:59 |
| andre__ | *shrug* | 06:00 |
| andre__ | dunnp | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim'll take care of it anyway. | 06:00 |
| timeless | s/estimated/rated/ | 06:00 |
| andre__ | right :) | 06:00 |
| andre__ | (don't expect me to speak proper english when i just got home from the club 5 min ago and am a bit drunk) | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh we'll expect it alright | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you should expect lashings if you fail. :P | 06:02 |
| andre__ | yay | 06:02 |
| andre__ | i'll take a video fo that | 06:03 |
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| andre__ | sleep. tomorrow. | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 06:09 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: whats up | 06:12 |
| disco_stu | im bored | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm playing CoD4 | 06:13 |
| disco_stu | i play css | 06:13 |
| disco_stu | ill go to bed | 06:13 |
| disco_stu | n8 all | 06:13 |
| r2d2rogers | I don't understand this blanking out the osso-xterm is doing on attempts to install the bootmenu.deb | 06:23 |
| r2d2rogers | goes white has to be x'ed ouy | 06:24 |
| r2d2rogers | out | 06:24 |
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| zetheroo | is there a place to talk about the N95? | 07:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably not on Freenode | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe #symbian? | 07:19 |
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| zetheroo | oh | 07:24 |
| zetheroo | is that the OS? | 07:24 |
| zetheroo | Symbian is something else than Linux right? | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian | 07:25 |
| zetheroo | I just got the N95 ... its pretty sweet ... but I wish it was Linux :) | 07:25 |
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| l7 | did links disappear from the extras repo? | 07:54 |
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| l7 | yeah, i have been thinking of getting a Symbian phone | 07:59 |
| l7 | dunno if i really like the Symbian environment though | 07:59 |
| l7 | it does have a lot of apps, but i would like access to linux tools | 07:59 |
| pupnik | True Story? Middle-School teacher siezes linux disks from kid. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html | 07:59 |
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| l7 | someone needs to get the guys from the Linux Action Show to intervene | 08:22 |
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| l7 | Mr. Starks, I along with many others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back. | 08:24 |
| l7 | sounds a bit too silly to be real though | 08:25 |
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| l7 | ls | 08:51 |
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| l7 | heh | 08:57 |
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| l7 | speaking of shells, i noticed that bash-setup disabled the ctrl-l clear screen feature | 08:58 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mmm lxde now available | 10:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | for mer/ubuntu | 10:41 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:57 |
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| Norrit_ | Has anybody any idea why my N810 restarts if I try to use certain USB-device with it | 11:00 |
| AStorm | kernel bug? | 11:04 |
| AStorm | :> | 11:04 |
| AStorm | and then watchdog kicks it around | 11:04 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:08 |
| Norrit_ | Well...that would be pretty dramatic...I don't know...maybe...Any good ways to trace this kiond of fault | 11:08 |
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| ShadowJK | what kind of usb devices? | 11:09 |
| Norrit_ | MP3 players... | 11:09 |
| AStorm | aka usb storage? | 11:10 |
| AStorm | probabbly tried to draw too much power | 11:10 |
| AStorm | do yoz have a powered hub? | 11:10 |
| AStorm | *you | 11:10 |
| ShadowJK | Especially if they charge through USB | 11:10 |
| AStorm | but then, the device shouldn't crash | 11:11 |
| Norrit_ | Yeh...I have powered hub and storage feature is disabled with both players | 11:11 |
| AStorm | hmm | 11:11 |
| AStorm | so what should they look like to n810 | 11:11 |
| AStorm | w/o any usb storage? :> | 11:11 |
| AStorm | probably the camera windoze protocol | 11:12 |
| Norrit_ | The main idea is to to try get these work with our app which uses MTP. | 11:12 |
| AStorm | mhm | 11:13 |
| Norrit_ | But I have now strugled with this for a while and I have noticed that tabled might crash only using "lsmod" commmand | 11:13 |
| AStorm | still, 99% it's a kernel bug... never seen any like it | 11:13 |
| AStorm | is the usb in host mode or otg? | 11:14 |
| Norrit_ | host mode... | 11:14 |
| AStorm | hm | 11:14 |
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| RST38h | AStorm: I installed that OE SDK yesterday | 11:15 |
| RST38h | AStorm: No X11 in sight (DirectFB only). Still 1GB+ in size | 11:15 |
| AStorm | ouch | 11:15 |
| AStorm | du -hs * and follow | 11:15 |
| RST38h | yea, that is what I wanna do | 11:15 |
| AStorm | find the culprit | 11:15 |
| AStorm | and bash them to hell | 11:16 |
| Norrit_ | At first I though that it was because libmtp but it must be related to usb-functionality of linux, because only inspecting of the USB causes the crash | 11:16 |
| AStorm | kernel bug, again | 11:17 |
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| AStorm | grab syslog and throw it over usbnet to some other machine | 11:17 |
| AStorm | might catch the oops | 11:17 |
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| Norrit_ | OK...I just wonder might it be because devices doesn't support (disabled) storeage feature...when I attach the device, maemo says that "unable to connect, no file system available" | 11:20 |
| AStorm | heh | 11:20 |
| AStorm | it shouldn't crash anyway | 11:20 |
| Norrit_ | that's true also ;-) | 11:21 |
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| Norrit_ | ok..."grap syslog"...meaning....? | 11:23 |
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| Norrit_ | Do you mean "dmesg"? that's one I have been monitored..../var/log folder is empty | 11:28 |
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| X-Fade | Norrit_: You need to install syslog first. | 11:30 |
| Norrit_ | Ou...ok... | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
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| RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/ | 11:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Matchbox-kb s good enough while h-i-m is not working yet | 12:07 |
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| Meiz_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | Meiz_n810: Heh, massive amount of keys :) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Meiz: Can this be backported to vanilla Maemo? | 12:11 |
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| woglinde | hi | 12:36 |
| Rhoruns- | hello | 12:36 |
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| Meiz_n810 | RST28h: maybe: souce is alailable | 12:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's moblin-keyboard-manager | 12:41 |
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| RST38h | ah | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/vertu-boucheron-150-1.jpg | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Who buys those, anyway? | 12:51 |
| glass_ | someone with lot of money | 12:51 |
| RST38h | and no taste whatsoever? | 12:51 |
| glass_ | well yeah | 12:51 |
| glass_ | i'd buy one as a joke if i had zillions | 12:51 |
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| glass_ | and then treat it like a shitter | 12:51 |
| RST38h | would you...mmm...use it? | 12:52 |
| glass_ | well yeah, for hammering nails and stuff and maybe for answering | 12:52 |
| glass_ | dunno if it's good for sniffing coke | 12:52 |
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| RST38h | not good for hammering nails as the gold is a rather soft metal | 12:54 |
| RST38h | coke - yes, maybe, wonder if it has got a special compartment for it =) | 12:54 |
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| Norrit_ | AStrom: I found a bug (3281) which is VERY similar to mine...I have to read the conversation of that bug if theres some help.... | 13:08 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders why his work n800 won't charge | 13:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 13:13 |
| johnx | managed to get some inet access | 13:13 |
| lardman | morning | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | you doing alright then johnx? | 13:14 |
| johnx | on my n800 though... | 13:14 |
| johnx | yeah, doing fine :) | 13:15 |
| woglinde | he johnx | 13:15 |
| johnx | got some catching up to do it seems | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | sure enough | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | want a short summary? | 13:16 |
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| johnx | i'll rtfm ;) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, alright | 13:18 |
| johnx | unless you have info that's not commonly available. then i'd love to hear it :D | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo 5 Reveals its Features, is pretty interesting, and the announcement of pre-alpha | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | and that nokia is not going to have fremantle on n8x0, but they will support the community in efforts of backporting | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | and relicensing for needed components | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | so we're basically stumbling to organize Mer as a real project now | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | meiz has been playing with Mer and has some nice scrshots up :P | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | and solca has a interesting kexec experiment going, and 2.6.28-rc6 | 13:21 |
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| johnx | gah. i'm really missing out. :/ | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, not really, it came like a firestorm all of this monday | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | i was nearly going insane | 13:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: Jaunty based Mer: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer# | 13:28 |
| Meiz_n810 | =P | 13:28 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I have tried to get wlan working with deblet packages... no luck | 13:29 |
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| woglinde | so what is mer now? | 13:30 |
| woglinde | a subset of maemo? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: heck if i know :P | 13:30 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, any luck doing it manually or the debian way? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: my goal for mer is the "maemo reconstructed" proposal really, with fremantle components | 13:30 |
| johnx | woglinde, i used to know last thursday ;p | 13:31 |
| woglinde | stskeep ah okay | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | just maintaining some half-broken image patching isn't my cup of tea, so :P | 13:31 |
| jagernot | morning | 13:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: i tried everything i can, but wlan-cal always fails... | 13:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi | 13:31 |
| johnx | Meiz, you don't need it, strictly speaking | 13:31 |
| lardman | Meiz_n810: that kb, last screenshot, must be painful to use! | 13:31 |
| Meiz_n810 | as you can see there are many choises | 13:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | thats the most painful | 13:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | in the pic | 13:32 |
| lardman | can we implement the Nokia methods? Or is that not wanteD? | 13:32 |
| lardman | s/D/d | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: we can get h-i-m example atlast | 13:33 |
| lardman | good | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | but there's going to be a long discussion on this probably | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | and it's in degrees of importance | 13:33 |
| lardman | of course, if someone's interested in it they can always start the implementation, etc | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really wondering what kind of agreement can be reached with nokia | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | for instance, mer arch would have great use of a "sponsor some hours to do <use this toolchain to build this binary blob>" | 13:35 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: how so? | 13:35 |
| lardman | us asking them you mean? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:36 |
| lardman | they will do it I'm quite sure, as long as we have a reason for wanting it | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | sec, going to go grab a cup of coffee | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | basically, we should strive towards being able to provide flashable images. | 13:40 |
| lardman | yes | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | and redistribute them | 13:40 |
| lardman | yes | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | right now we can't take initfs and redistribute it, for instance. | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | or alter it that well | 13:41 |
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| lardman | right, can we list the items that are problematic on the wiki then | 13:41 |
| lardman | then Quim can see them more easily and address them | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/zzJAoB73.html | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | is my sketch so far of initial task list for Mer arch | 13:41 |
| lardman | yesterdat I heard something about images too (like pngs)? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. if we don't find a creative bunch in the community | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | it should be possible though | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | the things i've listed are needed for HW interfacing | 13:42 |
| lardman | well that's another thing to list on the wiki then, see what the reaction is; if possible we can use them as a stop gap until someone creative decides they want something else, etc | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:43 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: have you started a Garage project then? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's depending on the other sketch i have | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be multiple garage projects | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | one for Mer Arch, one for Mer UI, etc | 13:43 |
| lardman | ah yes, I saw that | 13:43 |
| lardman | I don't know either way | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | and that depends on git.maemo going into action with some things, so :P | 13:43 |
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| lardman | what's the problem with git then? Not up yet? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | not up yet and i need some confirmations of features | 13:44 |
| lardman | have you pinged X-Fade? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's coming, however | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Ferenc is working on it.. | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | Not me ;) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, i put it on the talk page for now :) | 13:44 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ok, sorry for waking you up unnecessarily ;) | 13:45 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ok | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: for "arch" we need some kind of agreement to be able to redistribute, and a future proof way of getting updated binaries matching the toolchains | 13:45 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: say what needs to be redistributed first though | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:46 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: future-proof is hard I imagine, but Quim should be able to sort out a way of getting the binaries created for us, a contact or the like | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:47 |
| lardman | so we have no images to download atm? | 13:47 |
| * lardman was after an image without needing to setup the builder stuff | 13:47 | |
| Stskeeps | atm i don't even have any non-OSS stuff in mer :P | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | so i can make you a tar.gz if you'd like | 13:47 |
| lardman | ah, so just a rootfs then? | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:47 |
| suihkulokki | with EABI, I think current binaries will work for a very long time | 13:48 |
| lardman | does the builder create a jffs2 image? | 13:48 |
| suihkulokki | tc-wise, atleast | 13:48 |
| lardman | suihkulokki: yep | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: for now, just debootstraps+stuff onto a partition | 13:48 |
| suihkulokki | the kernel interfaces can and will change, any binary depending on those will break | 13:48 |
| lardman | I think Nokia were going to open source their image builder weren't they, that will be useful | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's really among the same lines as our current builder really | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | same process | 13:49 |
| lardman | I was thinking of the FIASCO creation | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | that would be useful | 13:49 |
| lardman | or at least a flashable rootfs, etc | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | for 2.6.28 kernel it would probably be useful to use ubifs :P | 13:50 |
| lardman | yeah, well it looks like Fremantle will use that anyway, so we may as well follow suite | 13:50 |
| lardman | s/suite/suit | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | partitioning layout in flash could be useful to have info on too | 13:52 |
| lardman | again, we'll need to stick it on a page with some justification and see what comes | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | and that's what mer arch would start with as a group | 13:53 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if 770 bme and n8x0 one is similar .. :P | 13:54 | |
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| lardman | hmm, no idea | 13:55 |
| lardman | which wiki page would be the best to list these questions then? The Mer one? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | i think we'll sit and and discuss at the bootstrap meeting - my idea is that we use maemo.org wiki, and then each team deals with their issues through that :P | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | and a list of questions to be "sent" to nokia with reasoning | 13:56 |
| lardman | yes | 13:56 |
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| lardman | they don't really need to be sent | 13:56 |
| lardman | I imagine they are looking to see how we get along | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | and organization right now is bloody important :P | 13:57 |
| lardman | when's the meeting then? | 13:57 |
| lardman | yes indeed | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- GA was aiming for sunday | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | just a minor bootstrapping meeting | 13:57 |
| lardman | ok, I should be able to make that | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | my gf is home next sunday and i think she'd strangle me if i spent too much time on the computer.. | 13:58 |
| lardman | lol | 13:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns loudly. | 13:58 | |
| johnx | i'll be there by hook or by crook | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | morning GA | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multi-car accident outside is a fun alarm clock. | 13:58 |
| lardman | I'd still like to see the discussion and progress reports moved to the mailing list, lots of people don't use irc and itt | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we want to set a time so I can schedule a maemo.org event? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | evening european time? | 13:59 |
| lardman | I was only vaguely aware of the project until the pre-sdk stuff came up and thought of getting it going on the omap2 | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well it did go a lot faster than expected suddenly :P | 13:59 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: my problem was more the confusion over the goal, I completely ignored the deblet stuff as I didn't want to replace Maemo with Debian | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | 20:00 - 22:00 UTC? | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Earlier? | 14:00 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: but once I knew about the sdk release I started looking at Mer as a base, and found that your goals were reasonably aligned anyway | 14:00 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: fine for me | 14:00 |
| * Stskeeps prods johnx and wonders if he's awake at that point | 14:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, originally the whole "Maemo Reconstructed" deal as a PoC to push Nokia towards better upstream alignment | 14:01 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: the separation between Maemo Reconstructed/Mer/deblet is confusing | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, seemingly, additional hardware platform support for Fremantle and/or Diablo-on-steroids | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, OK, toss out Deblet. | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Reconstructed -> Mer | 14:02 |
| johnx | stskeeps, should be fine. my schedule is adjusted to normal local time right now ;) | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is how the evolution went | 14:02 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: Well I know now, but imagine the case for those who don't have the time to investigate, etc., mailing list would be good | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, 20:00-22:00 UTC it is. | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | *puts in calendar* | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | Mr. Starks, I am sure you strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful. ... This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all. | 14:03 |
| RST38h | Priceless. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, "Mer bootstrapping meeting" ? :P | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, Mer Project bootstrapping meeting :P | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 14:04 |
| aquatix | RST38h: whoa :) | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, which page do you want me to link to for "Mer" | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm. that's a good question. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think Maemo reconstructed and the blueprint for now, those cover the most | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | but the meeting is really to figure out what our goals are | 14:06 |
| lardman | has anyone heard from etrunko, he was interested in getting Fremantle up on the N8x0 | 14:06 |
| johnx | did they include a much newer libhildon1 than the one in trunk or am i just behind the times? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yup | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | i was caught by surprise too | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, not so much, i knew hildon was old in trunk | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | it didn't have pannable area | 14:07 |
| johnx | heh, development in the open ;p | 14:07 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | but. Mer is not an effort to upgrade Diablo (the OS) to Fremantle, or take the fremantle OS and backporting it so it works for n8x0. it's a shift in perspective where we put the tablet OS in the hands of the community, and include nokia&contractors provided OSS components as part of this OS | 14:09 |
| RST38h | moo johnx, aquatix | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Could you use a term more specific than "shift in perspective" | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the whole maemo reconstructed thing | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | paradigm shift! :P | 14:09 |
| johnx | m00f | 14:09 |
| RST38h | I mean, the dreaded "paradigm" word has not been used, but we are getting close =) | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Oh shit | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Not it has been used. | 14:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles had to do it. | 14:10 | |
| RST38h | s/Not/Now/ | 14:10 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: Now it has been used. | 14:10 |
| lardman | the important question is app compat? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: so far good | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | having maemo GTK and libhildon helps a lot | 14:10 |
| johnx | lardman, so far better :D | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Sts: I would put it in plain, human readable English | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "A short, informal discussion meeting will be held in #maemo-meeting on Freenode to discuss the organization and goals of the Mer Project (the continuation of Maemo Reconstructed)." | 14:11 |
| johnx | nokia's hildon ui on ubuntu, trimmed for mobile devices | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Sts: What you want to achieve. Without using words like perspective, paradigm, solution, choice, etc | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Little thin on content, anything to add? | 14:11 |
| lardman | I mean if Mer breaks compatibility with one or other release of the Maemo core, then it's just another distro for the tablets | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: some things are different deep down, but API wise, we want to stay close to the maemo platform | 14:12 |
| lardman | yes, that's the main point | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, it's "another distro", but so would a community edition of diablo be :P | 14:12 |
| johnx | lardman, the current diablo-level of mer is almost completely compatible with diablo at a source level | 14:12 |
| lardman | otherwise I may as well flash a GPE image, do some hacking to get the desktop applets working with the battery stuff (easy enough) and dyntick, and I have somethjing usable, and pretty soon too | 14:12 |
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| RST38h | Sts: "Another tablet fdistro that is based on the official Nokia Maemo but seeks to improve parts that Nokia isn't willing to improve" | 14:13 |
| johnx | lardman, would you really prefer gpe over hildon? | 14:13 |
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| RST38h | Sts: And next you put a list of parts that you seek improving | 14:13 |
| lardman | really if the packages released for Fremantle could be installed (e.g. the comms stuff, the browser backend, etc.) then people will benefit on the N8x0/770 from the Fremantle changes | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: so far it's a matter of compiling it | 14:14 |
| lardman | johnx: no, but if there's no compat, so I can't install Maemo packages, then I'm in the same boat pretty much | 14:14 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's closer to what i said above | 14:14 |
| RST38h | johnx: yep | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer2.txt (slightly edited from maemo reconstructed) | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | "Nokia isn't willing to improve" is emotive. | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Ah, it is priceless indeed: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | "Nokia isn't currently focused on improving" would be better and more constructive. | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: What is wrong with emotive language again? | 14:15 |
| johnx | lardman, the big thing for me is remaining compatible with 3rd party apps and we have source for those | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | and who knows, maybe Mer would be maemo 6. :P | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Maemo 666! | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | (that url was for RST38h) | 14:16 |
| lardman | I guess my stance this this: I'd like to bring what features of Fremantle we can to the omap1/2 devices, which is perhaps the ui, but mainly the middleware (comms stuff, location stuff, etc.); the low level implementation details are perhaps not so important, though I would like to see us adopting a similar track to the maemo devs (though not if there's something better out there) | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: because a) Nokia are increasing efforts; b) Mer is supposed to be a blueprint of increased upstream alignment for Maemo; which means you want Nokia buy-in. | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: Checking | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Ok, bought it | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: mer would be "similar" in style to maemo mostly, targetting power saving measures, low footprint, etc | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | and mer and nokia components would complement eachother | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Is making Maemo a general platform the main goaL? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it will help having this, to encourage use of platform on other devices - meaning more hands to work on it, and that we don't have to revamp the platform each time we get a new fancy device | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | and having to leave some devices behind | 14:19 |
| RST38h | StsL If it is not the main goal, move it down | 14:19 |
| johnx | RST38h, yes, and improving it and making it more maintainable in the process | 14:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: Is improving it more important than making it available on non-nokia devices? | 14:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: If so, move improvement up, push compatibility down | 14:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: Also, it generally makes sense to move smaller, easier attainable goals up | 14:20 |
| johnx | RST38h, do you see a technical problem i don't that makes those things incompatible? | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the goals intermix, and the text is primarily just the ideal properties of the Mer platform | 14:22 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: sounds reasonable to me, I'm still in ;) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | the short term goals and long term goals will be discussed on the bootstrap meeting i guess | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | right now the focus is, generality, and ensuring a future for n8x0y tablets | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | and working out a relationship to nokia | 14:23 |
| * johnx needs to get faster at irc on his n800 | 14:24 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm dead slow too :P | 14:24 |
| aquatix | johnx: get a keyboard? ;) | 14:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, there is a slight problem: the English text flow is on-dimensional so you have to put them in some order no matter what :) | 14:25 |
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| johnx | i think i can get a little faster with the thumboard if i train its dictionaries | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Although goals intermix, you are still forced to prioritize when putting them down on paper | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | long term goals could be: general mobile device platform, foundation for nokia-maemo 6.0, not getting screwed over by nokia/whatever company leaving old devices behind and focus on new ones :P | 14:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, maybe we should improve the english language as a part of the project then | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: you just volunteered for public relations | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: See my comment above about smaller, attainable goals :) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | Sts: What is the salary? =) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. | 14:26 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ok, I will rewrite this blurb but not right now: I am at a meeting | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, and sometimes you have to do the big ones first | 14:26 |
| RST38h | johnx: usually leads to a failure | 14:27 |
| RST38h | sometimes you may get lucky though | 14:28 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I'm also happy to do public relations, and obviously negotiations with Nokia (doing something in my Council role for once ;)) | 14:28 |
| johnx | eep. running out of battery ;/ | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | eep | 14:28 |
| johnx | i'll try and be back tomorrow sometime | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | alright, good to see you're back in shape :) | 14:29 |
| johnx | 'night all | 14:29 |
| woglinde | bye johnx | 14:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, is that blurb for the meeting good for you? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes | 14:32 |
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| RST38h | "Yahoo! eyes! sarin!" (C)TheRegister | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Radical methods of personnel management | 14:40 |
| woglinde | rst where? | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/10/yahoo_sarin/ | 14:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Freaky damn tiger beetle | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evil little bastards'll watch you. | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: got a better name than working group? :P | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | commitee? | 14:52 |
| RST38h | General: looks cute | 14:52 |
| lardman | steering committee :) | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, unlike most insects, these guys will look you right in the eye. | 14:53 |
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| lardman | committee has bad conotations though | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | what, comrade? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | Mer steering (steering through the ocean.. :P) | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer taskmasters | 14:54 |
| lardman | we could call it the "bridge" | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:54 |
| RST38h | The Night Watch | 14:54 |
| l7 | ~remove-xterm-scrollbar | 14:54 |
| infobot | i guess remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0" | 14:54 |
| RST38h | [and give 'em baseball bats] | 14:54 |
| l7 | ~remove-osso-scrollbar | 14:55 |
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| torb | Hello! Does anyone know if it is possible to use cairo with python in maemo? widget.window.cairo_create() fails for me. | 14:57 |
| torb | (in gtk, that is) | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Still here? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, writing up on the new blueprint | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/mer.txt | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Sts: Use it as you see fit. Let me know when you get it so that I can delete it | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | can i revise the developing parts of maemo to something that involves developing parts that community has interest in giving attention to? :P | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | *Developing parts of Maemo that has the interest of the community to improve upon. or soemthing | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | because in-house developers may want to improve but it's contradictatory to the business model | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | (and i've used it and gotten it now) | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, people interested in Mer architecture (that is: kernel, initfs, hw interfacing, drivers, builders), please see https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Architecture and give me some quick feedback | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | if that is anything they'd like to contribute to, and if the initial activities seem reasonable and merge into current community efforts | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | in that area | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Architecture | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:35 |
| lardman | I think so, looking again | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | this is the more specific one, not a direct sketch | 15:36 |
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| lardman | looks good | 15:36 |
| lardman | we should obtain a feed somewhere too | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 15:37 |
| lardman | if things are to be built, we should place them in a feed, not everyone should have to build their entire system from source | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ofcourse | 15:38 |
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| lardman | that's quite important to get people involved I'd thing | 15:38 |
| lardman | think | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be a mix of firmware images, and repository, probably | 15:39 |
| lardman | yep | 15:39 |
| lardman | but certainly somewhere to host it all | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 15:39 |
| lardman | hmm, anyone have the link for the code sourcery gcc 4.x.x toolchain? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/portal/package3397/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2008q3-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | is one i use | 15:40 |
| lardman | thanks | 15:41 |
| lardman | that uses the same libc as Diablo? | 15:41 |
| * lardman wants to compile giac, and needs something other than 3.4.4 | 15:41 | |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | -no- clue about libc :P | 15:42 |
| lardman | what do you compile with it then? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | native builders, atm :P | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't gotten sb2 beaten into shape yet | 15:43 |
| lardman | targetting the tablets though? | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | targetting ubuntu jaunty armv5el for now | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://gizmodo.com/5106085/novatels-portable-mifi-gives-you-wi+fi-doh-everywhere | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | i -so- want.. | 15:44 |
| lardman | cool, phone would be ok for me though | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | and then wire it into my jacket | 15:44 |
| lardman | anyone know what GUPnP will be used for in Fremantle? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | replacing clinkc | 15:45 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: someone has to pay the bills though! | 15:45 |
| lardman | yeah, but doing what? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | upnp | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | media player stuff usually | 15:45 |
| lardman | it's in connectivity & multimedia sections | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | or storage | 15:45 |
| lardman | ah ok, the server stuff | 15:45 |
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| lardman | crap docs on the code sourcery site, they don't give the versions for older toolchains | 15:52 |
| lardman | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/portal/subscription3053 | 15:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: when i had tablet-hw-n8x0-support and tablet-wireless installed, it told me that cx3110x is missing in /proc/modules could that cause wlan-cal to fail? (tablet-wireless should insert cx3110x from /lib/.... but anyway?? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no, it shouldn't insert it automatically i think, hmm. did you run depmod -a? | 15:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | no i didn't | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | modprobe cx3110x and then try wlan-cal? | 15:55 |
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| Meiz_n810 | tablet-wireless runs modprobe cx3110x antomatically if linuxrc is used i think. Last time i tried it failed to do that, so i changed modprobe to insmod /.../cx3110x, after that it was able to load cx3110x and did not crash anymore, but wlan-cal still failed | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure at this moment, sorry | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | thursday i should be more free. :P | 15:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | k :P | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | wlan wasn't trivial under debian so | 15:58 |
| * Meiz_n810 is now installing build-things to his Mer. | 15:58 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | now when i have that tar.gz backup and i'm sure that hildon starts i will soon try to make wlan work again | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | what changes did you made to network-manager? | 15:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | (the deblet one) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | non trivial ones, the new n-m jaunty uses is way differentt | 16:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | oh pfft @ bootable android and interview.. they should interview the original movers :P | 16:15 |
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| Meiz_n810 | bootable android for n810? | 16:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | gimme link :P | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | iTT :P | 16:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, nthcode instead of the cool original people :P | 16:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | I am pretty sure Peter will tell him that Solca has made better port with WiFi.. They are kind of helping each other right now.. | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | more Team bootstrapping suggestions..: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New#Mer_Foundation | 16:31 |
| andrewfblack | I really don't get why there are like 4 groups working on android wouldn't it be better for them to work together | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | think there's 2 atm, on tablets | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | 4teams? | 16:32 |
| andrewfblack | I know of atleast 3 I think | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | what's the third? | 16:32 |
| Meiz_n810 | i know only solca and Nth | 16:32 |
| r2d2rogers | Good morning | 16:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | Solca and Nth guys are kinda working together right now... | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | morning r2d2rogers | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | what failed? | 16:33 |
| andrewfblack | is NITDroid Solca? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:33 |
| r2d2rogers | trying to figure out | 16:33 |
| r2d2rogers | it seems to be int he middle of the locales package install | 16:34 |
| andrewfblack | and the old installer thas been out for a while pre source release are they still working on it? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: fails or reboots? | 16:34 |
| r2d2rogers | but t5he bootmenu deb does the same behavior on another | 16:34 |
| andrewfblack | the one penguinbait released on itT | 16:34 |
| r2d2rogers | fails strangly, terminal goes white and I have to close all terminals to get the terminal to respond | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:34 |
| r2d2rogers | But the tablet doesn't seem to be slowed down | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | swapping heavily maybe | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | ssh in instead? | 16:35 |
| r2d2rogers | will try today | 16:35 |
| r2d2rogers | have both 770s at work | 16:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: So, they are working on the new android 1.0 ??? | 16:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | i tought they don't play with android anymore, it was just the old one they made... | 16:36 |
| andrewfblack | NOt sure I havn't seen anything from them in a while you might be right. | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | think they gave up mostly really | 16:37 |
| andrewfblack | sucks they are the only person with a simple install right now | 16:38 |
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| lardman | re | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 16:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: maybe the new android will be as easy to install as the old, when solca announces his Nitselector | 16:39 |
| andrewfblack | maybe | 16:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | (New graphical boootmenu) but i have heard that it would be possible to install some stuff with it? flash kernels? | 16:40 |
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| Meiz_n810 | boot different kernels at least | 16:40 |
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| andrewfblack | cool | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Was my text useful? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, made a comment above | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | about one thing i changed a bit :P | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I missed your comment (meetings). Could you repeat? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | "Developing parts of Maemo that has the interest of the community to improve upon. " | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | insead | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | +t | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | cos nokia developers may have an interest to develop, but it may be contrary to their business model | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: want some English improvements on that? | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | Given it's a little ungrammatical | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, i'm finishing up the new blueprint and all changes are welcome :P | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | the green green meat of homegrown... | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | "Allowing the community to focus on development of parts of Maemo" (first draft, still clumsy) | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'll put the draft out to proof reading :P | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I would not use "contrary to business model" | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: oh, that isn't part of the actual written thing :P | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's just why i changed it | 16:52 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps :if i install deblet:s network manager, do i have better change tp get it work? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | i think it will conflict hugely with jaunty | 16:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/tp/to/ | 16:57 |
| infobot | Meiz_n810 meant: Stskeeps :if i install deblet:s network manager, do i have better change to get it work? | 16:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | OK, Mer proofreaders: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to change anything :P i have to catch my bus so | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | Changing | 17:02 |
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| fiferboy | Has anyone used Personal Menu 0.9-6 from extras-devel? | 17:15 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: email sent, bbiab | 17:17 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, hai, done any work with qalculate? I've made quite a few changes on this end (none related to hildonising sorry, unless you count fullscreen ability) :) | 17:38 |
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| lardman | no, nothing at all, please do forward the source | 17:39 |
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| lardman | did you fix the missing "x"? | 17:40 |
| lardman | I always wondered why it was pink, I see it's called the Queer Calculator, might explain why... | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :P | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | Soon as I've finished, I'll forward on the source | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | But it's not really good custom to hardcode CFLAGS in the Makefile.am etc :P | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: ta for change | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: NOLO, X-loader was in firmware images too right? | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yes. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:50 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, not sure how to get it in there otherwise though | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: remember if FIASCO supports only updating certain parts, like, an firmware update that would only contain initfs? | 17:53 |
| trenka | Stskeeps: ? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | trenka: pong? | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yeah, cdbs is my pet hate :) but it can be done. I just need to edit the desktop file (made it install to the /hildon dir) :) | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea. | 17:54 |
| trenka | Stskeeps: I did not get the question | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | trenka, Would a FIASCO image that only contains one part (initfs in this example) be accepted as a valid image? | 17:55 |
| trenka | fiasco can contains any part(s), flasher can support update of certain parts | 17:55 |
| trenka | yes | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | alright, sounds good | 17:55 |
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| qwerty12 | trenka, ah, are you the fiasco-flasher guy? | 17:56 |
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| trenka | Stskeeps: just for nolo -- it should contain both | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | trenka: alright, thanks - very good information to have :) | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: ping? | 18:05 |
| solca | Stskeeps: pong | 18:08 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: I'm experimenting embedding a small payload (nitboot) on linux kernel | 18:13 |
| solca | to being able to boot to any partiotion without problems | 18:14 |
| solca | without rooting to initfs | 18:14 |
| solca | my current target is Mer | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | sounds interesting :) | 18:14 |
| solca | calling /sbin/init directly | 18:14 |
| solca | if the experiment works | 18:15 |
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| solca | it would be trivial to change between kernels | 18:15 |
| solca | s/change/boot | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | well a kernel always calls /sbin/init directly. so does bootmenu, linuxrc is just a hack in that area | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | to avoid breaking maemo compatibility | 18:15 |
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| solca | yea, linuxrc currently assumes comes from initfs | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:16 |
| solca | and thats good | 18:16 |
| solca | I would like a kernel with a payload that boots directly to initfs | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo assumes it's being run through initfs heavily | 18:16 |
| solca | I dont think we can change maemo behavior | 18:16 |
| solca | but I think Mer can be architected to be flexible | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | right now linuxrc is a hack to make it boot sanely :) it could just as well use otherwise | 18:17 |
| trenka | solca: goot thing | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: i'm really looking forward to seeing what interesting things we can do with kexec :) | 18:18 |
| solca | with a payload (nitboot) embedded to it we could boot anything without disrupting watchdogs, etc | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | it could definately help reboot time.. probably | 18:18 |
| solca | Stskeeps: with kexec everything is possible, at least the maemo kernels boots good | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. or for the slightly insane, netbsd/freebsd on tablet.. :> | 18:19 |
| RST38h | moo. what have I missed? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | not much | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | nitboot discussion | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | and the possibly of non-bootloader flashing firmware images | 18:20 |
| solca | I really need a _real_ small userspace that fits in less than 0.5MB | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | uclibc here we come? :P | 18:21 |
| RST38h | hackers | 18:21 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: yea, will have to get back to my openwrt experiments to make a real small userspace | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it possible to do something like zcpio? | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | (initrd) | 18:23 |
| solca | Stskeeps: I belive the kernel initramfs (kernel embedding) use it | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Salivate over this: http://gizmodo.com/5106370/hps-new-boston-power-laptop-batteries-last-3x-longer-charge-to-80-in-30-minutes | 18:23 |
| solca | and expand it when ready to a ramfs which becomes the rootfs | 18:24 |
| b1ackdeath | dose any one use there Tablet as a pentesting device? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | (ok, I know that Nokia BP-* batteries have similar characteristics already :)) | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Ah, another magic battery we will see in the future ;) | 18:24 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, it has got HP as the customer, a marketing name, and a release date in january | 18:25 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So this one is most likely real | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ping | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | I charge my lipos at 2.4A at 24v, so pushing in a lot of power in 30 minutes isn't that hard.. | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | But still.. | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | Nokia phone batteries will charge to 9-% in 40-50 minutes or so | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | There are a lot of nice battery technologies coming out lately. But they all have a weight problem. | 18:27 |
| RST38h | And they do last longer than laptop ones, but I guess it is because of the lower capacity and lower power drain | 18:27 |
| pupnik | weight or volume X-Fade ? | 18:27 |
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| X-Fade | A123 for instance can charge really fast and can take a lot of abuse. But weighs a lot more than lipo. | 18:28 |
| RST38h | s/9-/80 | 18:28 |
| X-Fade | Technically that is LiFe btw. | 18:28 |
| solca | is anyone here good (or moderately good) on graphics art? | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, ping | 18:28 |
| pupnik | can i invest in lithium futures? | 18:28 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: they do find use in automobiles though | 18:29 |
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| jagernot | solca: graphic art means? gimp/inkscape/icons kind? | 18:29 |
| solca | yep | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah and in a drag bike ;) | 18:29 |
| RST38h | just seen that =) | 18:30 |
| solca | I would like some androids robots painted in nokia blue | 18:30 |
| solca | for the nitdroid logo | 18:31 |
| lardman | qwerty12: pong | 18:31 |
| andrewfblack | solca you just want the robots in blue? | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, find my modified source here : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/qalculate/ - I've made lots of good packaging changes and added fullscreen by pressing the fullscreen button | 18:32 |
| solca | andrewfblack: yea, I try with the gimp to replace color but I really suck at that things | 18:32 |
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| lardman | good work! | 18:32 |
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| solca | wtf? | 18:32 |
| solca | :P | 18:32 |
| lardman | and hildonised the rest of it too? ;) | 18:32 |
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| lardman | solca: not you, qwerty12 | 18:33 |
| RST38h | qwerty: thanks! =) | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, ha, effing source is confusing me :P. I'll take a look now, but that source should produce a good debian package | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, it's lardman that found the problem :) | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Thanks to both of you! | 18:33 |
| lardman | qwerty12: did you work out how to sort the CFLAGS? | 18:33 |
| lardman | in a less hacky manner? | 18:33 |
| solca | lardman: I was talking about andrewfblack getting in/out of the channel very fast and fourious :P | 18:34 |
| lardman | ah, ok :) | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, yep, it's effing cdbs, can be done by adding a few lines to debian/rules (still not as easy as a dh_make rules file) :/ | 18:34 |
| andrewfblack | yeah had a computer issue lol | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, take a look at debian/rules, you'll see how I did it | 18:34 |
| lardman | cool | 18:34 |
| solca | andrewfblack: yea, I try with the gimp to replace color but I really suck at that things | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, if you want to qalculate gtk, take the deb from my link and dependencies from : http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/binary-armel/ | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | ^use | 18:35 |
| RST38h | What are the dependencies btw? | 18:35 |
| lardman | just cln | 18:36 |
| lardman | and the lib qalculate | 18:36 |
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| andrewfblack | solca this what you want? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android.png | 18:38 |
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| solca | cool!!! | 18:38 |
| andrewfblack | thats the blue from this logo http://www.albatec.es/data/marcas/Nokia-logo.bmp | 18:38 |
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| solca | excellent! | 18:39 |
| solca | do you think a 800x480 version is possible too? | 18:39 |
| solca | and if this one can be converted just the center android to blue too? | 18:41 |
| solca | http://richd.com/images/2007/android-rendered.jpg | 18:41 |
| solca | andrewfblack: yea, I know I'm abusing... | 18:41 |
| andrewfblack | yeah | 18:41 |
| andrewfblack | its cool give me one sec | 18:41 |
| solca | thx! | 18:41 |
| RST38h | lardman: that is relatively light =) | 18:45 |
| andrewfblack | here is 800x480 background http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480.png | 18:46 |
| andrewfblack | other one will take a little while longer | 18:46 |
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| solca | andrewfblack: thx, the other one is more difficult because of the lighting right? | 18:48 |
| andrewfblack | yeah | 18:48 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: x (multiply) is still knackered | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, that's your area, I didn't actually know that there was a problem there :) | 18:52 |
| lardman | looks like some unicode char | 18:52 |
| lardman | I'll alter it | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Though the decimal point could do with fixing... | 18:52 |
| lardman | I've not used that one yet | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | You can see it :). It's a [] rather than being a . | 18:53 |
| lardman | ah, that's how the x sign appears in the edit window | 18:53 |
| lardman | at least the decimal point appears correctly in that window | 18:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | solca: how it the nitchooser project going? :) | 18:54 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: initial tests, I'm trying to embedd a small userspace payload in the kernel | 18:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 18:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | sounds good | 18:54 |
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| solca | that in turn launch the UI or boot to any partition | 18:54 |
| solca | but I need a real small userspace that fits in less than 0.5MB | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lo slonopotamus | 19:02 |
| slonopotamus | hi, Stskeeps | 19:02 |
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| Proteous | solca: http://mike.ogaz.org/files/android-rendered-blue.png | 19:03 |
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| solca | Proteous: wow!! | 19:03 |
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| andrewfblack | solca look at this one http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v2.png | 19:05 |
| solca | andrewfblack: thats much better | 19:05 |
| solca | just the color inside the O is not the same? | 19:05 |
| andrewfblack | that is how is it on android logo | 19:06 |
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| andrewfblack | well one that one let me fix it | 19:06 |
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| andrewfblack | never mind thats my fault forgot I changed the background around the letters ll | 19:07 |
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| andrewfblack | ok new version up | 19:07 |
| solca | andrewfblack: thats much better | 19:09 |
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| andrewfblack | now I just need to get new Android on my tablet lol | 19:10 |
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| solca | andrewfblack: can you change this one to blue too: http://bp3.blogger.com/_vOWVJj4LO0w/R7TDtHJNa1I/AAAAAAAAAAQ/31bn4mpRHO0/s200/android_small_image.jpg | 19:11 |
| solca | Proteous: that with the lightinig rendering is very very cool! | 19:12 |
| Proteous | thanks | 19:13 |
| solca | Proteous: I wish you could do some nitdroid letters with lightning... | 19:13 |
| solca | andrewfblack: how would it look the 800x480 version but instead of white the android green? | 19:14 |
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| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/androidsmall.png here is small one | 19:15 |
| solca | thx! | 19:16 |
| andrewfblack | green around logo and text? | 19:16 |
| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v3.png | 19:17 |
| solca | hmm I dont like it | 19:18 |
| andrewfblack | thats what you were asking about though wasn't it? | 19:18 |
| solca | yes that was | 19:18 |
| andrewfblack | ok cool | 19:18 |
| solca | and what about like that but the robot white inside | 19:19 |
| solca | just experimenting... | 19:19 |
| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v4.png | 19:20 |
| solca | nope | 19:21 |
| solca | I had an idea | 19:21 |
| solca | as I want it as the start screen | 19:21 |
| solca | it must be white background | 19:21 |
| solca | so live v3 but with white background | 19:21 |
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| solca | s/live/like | 19:21 |
| solca | but the robot fill in blue | 19:22 |
| solca | if is not much asking... | 19:22 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how big an artist community exists within maemo, and who could be prodded for a mer logo | 19:23 | |
| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v5.png | 19:23 |
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| andrewfblack | Tim is good | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | What about v5 but black background? =P | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | "nitdroid - join the dark side"? :P | 19:25 |
| solca | andrewfblack: I like v5 too | 19:26 |
| andrewfblack | Meiz_n810 http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v6.png | 19:27 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 19:27 |
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| thopiekar | what about adding a N8x0 into one of the androids hands (logo) | 19:28 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | With an N900 around a (very large) corner? | 19:29 |
| solca | I think v2 and v5 are the best | 19:29 |
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| solca | thopiekar: :P good idea | 19:29 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: finished the bootstrap with some errors on packages, | 19:30 |
| r2d2rogers | can it boot like deblet? | 19:30 |
| thopiekar | this would make the logo very specific^^ | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: can i see which errors on packages? | 19:30 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 19:30 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: digging through scroll, screen rocks... | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | and when you say bootstrap, meaning imager finished? | 19:33 |
| solca | andrewfblack: one last experiment: v5 with just the NIT letters in blue ? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you might want to do yourself a favour and cp in fb0,fb1,fb2 to /dev as well | 19:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | solca: do you know how to change screen orientation in android? | 19:37 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: nope never tried | 19:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | i know only how to do it while browsing web | 19:37 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: but the kernel is capable | 19:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 19:37 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: I read somewhere there was a shell command to do it | 19:38 |
| solca | Meiz_n810: let me find it | 19:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | ok | 19:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | no, you don't have to | 19:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | :p | 19:38 |
| andrewfblack | this what you want http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v7.png | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, pong. | 19:41 |
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| solca | Meiz_n810: cant find it but is sued the 'service' command | 19:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 19:42 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'm not sure if it finished, it was still running package installation. | 19:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | andrewfblack: that's nice | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: event doesn't show up on maemo.org (yet), but under events it does, with broken link. I was thinking about putting out a -developers post and a iTT post about the meeting, where i link to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New (needs some copy-editing i think) | 19:42 |
| solca | andrewfblack: yea but just the NIT letters, the droid always in green | 19:42 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: copy those fromwhere? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: /dev | 19:42 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: package errors http://pastebin.ca/1281801 | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I'm thinking it's related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3920 | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and blueprint_new being a proposal for discussion | 19:43 |
| andrewfblack | solca inside robot white? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | (for the meeting) | 19:44 |
| solca | in the nitdroid text the nit part in blue and the droid part in green | 19:44 |
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| andrewfblack | ahh got it | 19:44 |
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| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9.png | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: eh.. it looks like it's not faking invoke-rc.d and start-stop-daemon. can i see your platform script and your target? | 19:45 |
| andrewfblack | look at this one to http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v8.png | 19:45 |
| andrewfblack | v8 is more of a joke but funny | 19:46 |
| r2d2rogers | I copied the platform script from the 800 | 19:46 |
| r2d2rogers | the target coming up | 19:46 |
| solca | andrewfblack: thats funny | 19:46 |
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| andrewfblack | bit a bad looking tablet for about 1 min of work | 19:47 |
| solca | andrewfblack: but I dont thin I can put an image with a brand name on it | 19:47 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: target http://pastebin.ca/1281807 | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm. looks correct. and you run it with sh imager targets/mer-770-fs-only /target? | 19:48 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: copied the only existing /dev/fb0 to /mnt/deblet/dev (reusing the deblet mount point for the mer image | 19:48 |
| andrewfblack | going to have to save my little tablet image i like it | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i do the same (reusing mount point) | 19:49 |
| andrewfblack | so which one you going with? | 19:49 |
| solca | andrewfblack: I like it too, it could be useful | 19:49 |
| solca | andrewfblack: do you have the one with the nit part in blue and the droid in green? | 19:50 |
| andrewfblack | yeah its http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9.png | 19:50 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yes: sh imager targets/mer-770-fs-only /mnt/deblet/ | 19:50 |
| andrewfblack | maybe I'll try and put a little maemo desktop screen shot on the tablet | 19:51 |
| solca | andrewfblack: it prints | 19:51 |
| solca | i like it | 19:51 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: can I get into a chroot like with the deblet to see what apt can do to reconfig? | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well, let's see if it boots. it won't show hildon, but it may boot | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | it needs similar entry as deblet | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | have that already | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | hold down home key during boot | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | and select usb | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | one thing: Starting BT Connection Daemon: Called fake /mnt/deblet//sbin/start-stop-daemon .. | 19:52 |
| solca | andrewfblack: I know this is abusing you hehe | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | it did seem to have the fakle start stop in some | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, fine | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: and that wonders me too | 19:52 |
| r2d2rogers | rebooting | 19:52 |
| solca | andrewfblack: but I would like v9 in 3 versions: 1. v9 as is , 2. v9 with green at 50% and 3. with white instead of green | 19:53 |
| solca | andrewfblack: that to make a nice animation | 19:53 |
| solca | andrewfblack: if possible... | 19:53 |
| andrewfblack | yeah | 19:54 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: got mer rescue menu | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: progress | 19:54 |
| r2d2rogers | console on frame buffer? | 19:54 |
| andrewfblack | you just want 50% or ever 10% | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: go for usb i guess | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | it includes console on framebuffer | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | then press center a couple of times to continue booting | 19:54 |
| solca | andrewfblack: I don't know, maybe you can decide, all I want is in the animation green starts dimished until full green | 19:55 |
| r2d2rogers | ethernet or serial USB? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | ethernet | 19:55 |
| solca | 3 steps I think are enough for a animation right? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | serial usb doesn't work | 19:55 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 19:55 |
| andrewfblack | not sure i don't do animations | 19:55 |
| solca | andrewfblack: the animations is done by android itself | 19:56 |
| solca | I just need to feed it with the static images | 19:56 |
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| andrewfblack | you want just green words 50% or all green | 19:57 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: getting the escape character and then connection closed my foreign host | 19:57 |
| r2d2rogers | trying continue boot | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah, cos udev doesnt work :P | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | we'll get to that | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | so far booting into console is a plus | 19:58 |
| r2d2rogers | center button not making it continue | 19:58 |
| DeathKing242 | hey Stskeeps, can I PM you for a minute? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: press several times | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | DeathKing242: mmk | 19:58 |
| solca | andrewfblack: v9 but all green to 50% and another v9 with all green completely white (0%) | 19:59 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no response | 19:59 |
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| r2d2rogers | still responsive to USB cable plug/unplug | 19:59 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: you need to do 5 newlines | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | think it's center | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | on dpad | 20:00 |
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| andrewfblack | http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9v2.png http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/android800x480v9v3.png | 20:00 |
| r2d2rogers | center didn't work, nor did any of the other hardware buttons | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | blah | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | edit /etc/init.d/usbnet-emergency-telnetd | 20:01 |
| r2d2rogers | I don't have a hub to try a hardware keyboard but I can borrow one | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | remove the read foo's | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | (battery popping time) | 20:01 |
| r2d2rogers | wilco | 20:01 |
| andrewfblack | I need a good idea for a new maemo theme. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: make one for mer. plankton is fugly :P | 20:02 |
| r2d2rogers | the /etc/init.d/ on the card ? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah | 20:02 |
| r2d2rogers | I'll do that and get back to you after lunch | 20:02 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks for your help | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | np | 20:02 |
| andrewfblack | how do I make my maemo themes for mer do they use the same layout? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | and thank you too | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: same layout, yeah | 20:03 |
| solca | andrewfblack: excellent!! that's it | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | hildon-theme-layout-4 | 20:03 |
| solca | andrewfblack: can I put you in the credits? | 20:03 |
| andrewfblack | If you want to | 20:03 |
| solca | andrewfblack: thx!! this art is awesome!... | 20:03 |
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| andrewfblack | if you need anything else just let me know | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: any other themes you've done? | 20:05 |
| andrewfblack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ all these | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | *looks* | 20:06 |
| andrewfblack | mostly me screwing around I need a good idea and stop doing ones based a on movie theme or somethng | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | any screenshots of them? :P | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | your www.themehackers.maemobox.org seems to have been hacked, btw | 20:07 |
| andrewfblack | lol yeah I see that was going to give you that link | 20:08 |
| andrewfblack | one sec | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wb lardman | 20:13 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps | 20:13 |
| lcuk | who wants my lurgy? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | lurgy? | 20:14 |
| andrewfblack | here are a few screenshots you can search itT also | 20:14 |
| lcuk | its open source | 20:14 |
| lardman | illness | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:14 |
| lardman | no thanks lcuk | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: would you take my insanity then? :P | 20:14 |
| lcuk | are you sure, ive published the tissues | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, ive got enough insanity for everyone | 20:14 |
| lcuk | but god do i feel lousy | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | si, did you get your compilation issue sorted | 20:15 |
| lcuk | or did you giveu p | 20:15 |
| lardman | lcuk: got it sorted, found a bug in the bugtracker | 20:15 |
| dwr | Stskeeps, DeathKing242, take invite | 20:15 |
| lcuk | good | 20:15 |
| lardman | well that was one issue, the C++ I didn't | 20:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you about? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | dwr: if it's about IRC, not interested | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, sure | 20:16 |
| lardman | s/C++/2nd C++ | 20:16 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you were talking a while back about a later CS toolchain, which one was it? | 20:16 |
| lardman | GCC 4.x.x? | 20:16 |
| dwr | Stskeeps, well, someone posted me logs, but I don't think that it's good to discuss this in public channel | 20:17 |
| dwr | but yes, this is related to irc | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, arm-linux-cs2008q3-41 with 4.3.2. Took me some messing though to get it to work with diablo sdk though | 20:17 |
| lardman | hmm, it has a later version of libc I thought? | 20:17 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps did you see my link. If you give me some ideas on a theme for MER you want I can make it. My problem is I can never come up with good ideas | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: er, don't think you pasted one | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, it may do but my messing seems to give me the gcc 3 version. dunno if it actually has a newer libc though, I'll check | 20:18 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps http://themehackers.maemobox.org/wp-content/gallery/ only screenshots I can find right now | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I would check but it seems I have no libc in this temp target :-) | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: hehe @ xp theme | 20:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I just wanted something later to try with giac | 20:20 |
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| andrewfblack | yeah that was my first one, I noticed the broken Vista theme had like 40k downloads at the time so I thought it would get alot of downloads | 20:20 |
| andrewfblack | I thnk broken vista theme is up over 50k now | 20:20 |
| lcuk | well since microsoft havent released a working vista thats about on track | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | vista isn't all that bad :P | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | though not as great as xp, I do admit | 20:21 |
| * lardman curses MATLAB for placing everything in doubles, flagrant waste of memory | 20:22 | |
| lcuk | if i buy myself a slate tablet thats currently got xp on it, whats the chances of getting drivers for linux working - note my linux adminning ability level... | 20:22 |
| andrewfblack | lcuk Don't worry soon Windows 7 will be out and vista will still be broke | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: curious, when you make themes, how much is it based on the nokia imagery? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | you/anyone | 20:23 |
| lcuk | depends on source i assume | 20:23 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps I do all my themes starting off with Nuvo theme and modify from there is that what your asking? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering idly, i never did a theme so | 20:24 |
| andrewfblack | You could do it starting off with plankon or really a blank image if you wanted | 20:24 |
| andrewfblack | I take the easy way out and use theme maker for my themes. I have unpacked a few changed some files and repacked them but I don't mess with hildon tools don't have time | 20:25 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps any idea what kind of theme you want? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i guess something in the style of theme-echo, but without being too similar | 20:28 |
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| andrewfblack | I'll work on something this week for you | 20:29 |
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| andrewfblack | Can MER insall debs for maemo or does something need to be changed? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: it will be source level compatible at least | 20:31 |
| andrewfblack | ok | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's ubuntu based, so debs work fine | 20:31 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: it stops and becomes unresponsive after "USB cable disconnected" | 20:31 |
| r2d2rogers | no change on plug/unplug USB cable | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: even after removing the read foo stuff? | 20:32 |
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| r2d2rogers | yup | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | try without usb right now | 20:32 |
| r2d2rogers | just the 5 lines right? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:32 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 20:32 |
| r2d2rogers | ahh | 20:32 |
| r2d2rogers | just boot nohome hold? | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're spawning an obnoxious number of wiki pages that seem to have an unclear relation to eachother. :P | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm sorry :P | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'll delete some of them | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use one or two and then evolve them | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | or make an overview page | 20:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Task:Mer project | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | i'll clean it up a bit past the meeting, just had to get the info out in some way for now :P | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | then Mer & Maemo reconstructed will be merged together | 20:34 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: stops after pivot root and starting /sbin/init | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: even with console on? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | remembered to start the rescue menu? | 20:36 |
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| r2d2rogers | doing activate console on frame buffer shows the list | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | list? | 20:38 |
| r2d2rogers | last item is hwa742: setting update mode to auto | 20:38 |
| r2d2rogers | looks like boot messages | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ok.. maybe it just boots | 20:39 |
| lcuk | ok, google search for "mer project" gives the bbc philharmonic "la mer project (in salford)" the Mars exploration rover a single "bazaar branches of the mer project" (on launchpad) and not much else. | 20:39 |
| r2d2rogers | [ 69.660949] hwa742: setting update mode to auto | 20:39 |
| lcuk | BIG question, why isnt there anything about it from the maemo wiki? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: cos we're not sure what mer is yet :P | 20:39 |
| lcuk | but the wiki should have rank surely | 20:39 |
| lcuk | at least some | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because Google fails | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go blog about it and whore the links a bit. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | google does not fail for billions of other searchers - you need SEO work done | 20:40 |
| lcuk | agreed | 20:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he can even delete pages | 20:40 | |
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| Stskeeps | other than just removing content | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | is it just me or does wiki.maemo.org search fail? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | .. or atleast not liking 3 letter names | 20:43 |
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| GAN800 | Yes, it fails | 20:44 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: no shell, nothing else comes up, so how about that chroot idea? | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: if you have the time to wait, do sh ./imager targets/mer-770-onlyfs /TARGET 2>&1 > imager.log (i think that's the syntax), after mkfsing the fs and remounting it.. then we get to the core of the errors | 20:50 |
| r2d2rogers | I'll need to find a working mkfs.ext3 unless I can just rm -rf the fs | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | e2fsprogs? | 20:52 |
| r2d2rogers | will try it | 20:52 |
| r2d2rogers | thanks | 20:52 |
| esperegu | Hi. I have a nokia N810 and wondered how I can add a program to the left panel so it can be launched quickly | 20:52 |
| r2d2rogers | personal menu? | 20:54 |
| r2d2rogers | should be in the extras repository | 20:54 |
| r2d2rogers | gives you a customizable menu you can replace one of the icons on the left with | 20:55 |
| r2d2rogers | esperegu: ^^^ how's that work for you? | 20:55 |
| RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00krf86t.jpg | 20:55 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: libuuid1 replaces that package? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: eh. | 20:58 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah that's about what I thought... | 20:59 |
| r2d2rogers | will install and see what I get | 20:59 |
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| r2d2rogers | reboots... | 21:00 |
| cypou | hi, does anyone know if maemo supports other resolution than 800x480 ? | 21:00 |
| cypou | I'm googling, but i can't find anything recent about that | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | cypou, yes and no | 21:02 |
| cypou | :), you mean ? | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | It'll work fine but it's not currently targetted for other resolutions | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Some parts of Maemo handle different resolutions just fine | 21:02 |
| GAN800 | The theme will be a bit off | 21:02 |
| RST38h | But not ALL parts. So you can expect a semidecent home screen view, but a lot of applications (including Nokia ones) will break | 21:03 |
| cypou | have you tested screen rotate ? | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/02/09/hildon-desktop-scalability/ | 21:03 |
| cypou | I've read that it is available now | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | Has been since OS2005 | 21:04 |
| cypou | and the maemo desktop fits correctly ? | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | more or less | 21:05 |
| cypou | it should be usable | 21:05 |
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| cypou | like that ? http://sse2.net/rotate/shot01.png | 21:06 |
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| cypou | GAN800, RST38h: thanks a lot | 21:09 |
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| Meizirkki | So, Mer is now connected to mi Wi-Fi ap and all i need is ip | 21:12 |
| Meizirkki | nm-applet wont work, what's the command to get it using dhcp? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | dhclient wlan0 i think | 21:13 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | or udhcpc -i wlan0 | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | not sure which one is actually installed | 21:13 |
| Meizirkki | dhclient worked thanks | 21:15 |
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| * Meizirkki is downloading pidgin to his Mer so hi can chat from it | 21:15 | |
| Meizirkki | s/hi/he/ | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, the worlds first mer user :P | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | :P | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: wlan-cal always fails at boot but i added it to rc.local | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:16 |
| Meizirkki | it works after boot | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | funky | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | remember screenshots galore :P | 21:17 |
| Meizirkki | ok :P | 21:17 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: disable unicode by editing the conf file | 21:22 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: so I guess it's a lack of a unicode font containing the x and . chars | 21:22 |
| thresh | probably a wrong place to ask, but what are the estimates for new tablet to come out? | 21:22 |
| lardman | will do further investigation to see | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, cool, will do that now | 21:22 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: it should be possible from the menu, but the dialog is too long so you can't get to the bottom | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | thresh: dunno, maybe summer 09 | 21:23 |
| thresh | well, considering the fact the new SDK is alpha state now, could be true | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, i wish it wasn't using glade :( | 21:23 |
| lardman | yeah, well we could re-write it, not a big thing really | 21:24 |
| lardman | not this evening mind you | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/we/you :p | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | thresh: yeah, pre-alpha is to make platform developers happy | 21:24 |
| * lardman goes to see if his DVD player will play DivX on usb stick | 21:24 | |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: ;p | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | ciroip_: good job on 3d mania theme | 21:25 |
| esperegu | r2d2rogers: I wanted to be able to click on it directly. but thx! | 21:26 |
| davi | Anyone know the <dookdook> email? | 21:26 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: yeah.. | 21:26 |
| davi | I need to contact him | 21:26 |
| thresh | i was considering buying the device to be able to develop VLC for it | 21:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: thought there was a bit of hildonization already in vlc? | 21:27 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: there is a new interface and some support for n8x0 in current vlc git master, yeah | 21:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | someone know a mud client for maemo ? | 21:27 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: doesnt mean it's completely finished though :) | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: happen to have any scrshots of that, even if it's alpha? | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, hi, there's a command line one on itt | 21:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... | 21:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx qwerty12 ... i ll try it | 21:28 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: nope... | 21:30 |
| thresh | we had some from debian sid (not on device itself), and it was creepy :) | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | thresh: hehe | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | vlc could be interesting in Mer :P | 21:34 |
| thresh | uhm "mer"? | 21:34 |
| thresh | (sorry i'm a newbie :) | 21:34 |
| davi | Does <dookdook> use to be in this channel? | 21:35 |
| andre__ | mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 21:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | tf: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 21:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg | 21:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: nope mplayer is better | 21:37 |
| thresh | andre__: thanks! | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan_n810, symlink libssl.so.0.9.8 to libssl.so.0.9.7 | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lo meiz | 21:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | w00t, chatting from Mer now | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | screenshots! | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | midori works really fast | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | video | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | no video today... | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah :P | 21:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | but screenshots | 21:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | this whole thing seems to be ..stable.. | 21:42 |
| thresh | based on 5 minute test? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | scaringily | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: i'm even surprised it lasts a minute. | 21:42 |
| Meiz_n810 | i was installing pidgin, browsing itt with midori and taking screenshots, not even close to crash | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | and we dont even have swap on i guess | 21:43 |
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| thresh | who needs swap nowadays :) | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | 128mb ram tablets | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | load-applet showed 3/4 memory | 21:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | i dont know if swap is enabled | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 21:44 |
| thresh | dmesg | grep swap ? | 21:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cat /proc/swaps | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: since imager doesnt install swap in fstab, it doesnt get it probably :P | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, dunno, ke-recv doesn't update fstab but /media/mmc2/.swap is listed there still | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: no ke-recv yet :> | 21:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | it took some time to find out how to get the: | | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | but there is no output | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | no swap then | 21:47 |
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| Meiz_n810 | o_O | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i know :), my point is more about it not updating fstab in general but /proc/swaps showing it | 21:48 |
| Meiz_n810 | deblet would have crashed if installing and browsing web at the same time | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: *nod* | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: if you're able to do a midori video at some point, it'd be wonderful :) | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm looking forward to seeing screenshots anyway | 21:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 21:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | uploading.... | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | you even upload through mer? :P | 21:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer <- very early alpha right now | 21:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | midori is faster than microb i think, but eats more memory | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 21:51 |
| * Stskeeps would really prefer faster than slow and less memory | 21:52 | |
| Stskeeps | i only have 1-2 windows anyway | 21:52 |
| thresh | nice | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: same url as above to you.. why we need theming ;) | 21:55 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: kicking off the log run | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright, looking forward to seeing it | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: could you verify 'imager' has the fake /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d in it? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the line fake /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d | 21:58 |
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| Meiz_n810 | grr | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 21:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | picasaweb does not work with midori | 21:59 |
| Meiz_n810 | did not work in deblet too | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | sec, lemme give you a scp to upload to | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i will upload them to picasa later | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | midori took 42mb mem when i tried picasa | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | o_O | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, gwt app prolly | 22:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | uploaded | 22:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | pidgin takes a lot of mem too | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | xchat! :P | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: midori fullscreen on its own? | 22:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | it is on top of hildon, what do you mean | 22:07 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty: there is no xchat for jaunty yet | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: alright | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: you can always try building the xchat one from maemo, but i suspect it uses browser headers.. | 22:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | i tried once | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, ah :( | 22:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | i dont remember what went wrong... | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, shouldn't do. when i applied the hildon patches to 2.8.6, i'm pretty sure it just used a dbus call to bring up the browser like i do in transmission | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:10 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: yes it does, line 73 | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: k | 22:12 |
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| Meiz_n810 | mm....synaptic :P | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | something died? :P | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 22:16 |
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| davi | Anyone know the dookdook's email? | 22:22 |
| davi | He was asking at #gnu for a site where you could potentially bid on a project | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen dookdook | 22:22 |
| infobot | dookdook <n=dookdook@82-41-14-247.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 206d 2h 46m 34s ago, saying: 'has anyone seen adn770?'. | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | .. seems like it's a long time ago that person was in here | 22:22 |
| davi | shit! too much time | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | and which project? | 22:22 |
| oli | hm, n800 diablo, how to enable on-screen keyboard after using USB one? | 22:23 |
| davi | I do not know. I am looking for him to report about the http://gnuherds.org/pledges | 22:23 |
| davi | project | 22:23 |
| davi | Maybe GNU Herds is what he is looking for ... | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | mmkay | 22:24 |
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| r2d2rogers | oli: gconftool -t bool -s /system/osso/af/slide-open false | 22:27 |
| r2d2rogers | that's what I use for OS2008HE | 22:27 |
| r2d2rogers | oli: I have it in Personal Menu for when I need it | 22:28 |
| oli | r2d2rogers: thanks, will check it | 22:29 |
| r2d2rogers | oli: np | 22:30 |
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| * Meiz_n810 will try to compile numptyphysics for Mer :P | 22:33 | |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: heh heh | 22:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | i can't | 22:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | one of its build deps: E: Couldn't find package libg11-mesa-dev | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | did you people know that the company who invented American Idol and stuff, is called Freemantle Productions?. | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:39 |
| BULLE | Stskeeps: yes | 22:39 |
| BULLE | Stskeeps: nothing new there | 22:39 |
| BULLE | Stskeeps: they do all the brainded tv stuff that keeps people in the sofa, not thinking | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | like, the tablet that makes me stay in bed instead of going to work? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | ;> | 22:40 |
| BULLE | yes! | 22:40 |
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| kartik | Well i dont know whether this is the right place to ask this question, but from where can i get a nokia 810 tablet | 22:42 |
| kartik | in INDIA | 22:42 |
| kartik | its not here on the official website of nokia | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ask in a shop? :P | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | order it from US? | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: any objections towards me advertising for meeting on iTT and m-d, and having meeting in #maemo-meeting? | 22:47 |
| kartik | well getting it from us does not seems to be an option, high dollar price will rip me off :) | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | high? its low here :P | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | hong kong maybe | 22:54 |
| kartik | but the dollar conversion rate is pretty high :P | 22:54 |
| kartik | yeah getting it from outside is always an option, but i did expected that by this time it would be released here it self. | 22:55 |
| kartik | I mean what is not common here opensource or nokia. None | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | kartik, if OSS is not common, and nokia are not common, why did you think Nokias Open Source tablet would be plentiful? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | but you are best asking nokia themselves | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i think he means the opposite | 23:03 |
| kartik | lcuk, you get me wrong | 23:03 |
| kartik | lcuk, yup i meant the opposite | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | doh! well of course | 23:05 |
| kartik | both of them are very very common here and that is why it surprises me that we dont have devices running on maemo over here | 23:05 |
| * lcuk reverses everything someone says | 23:05 | |
| lcuk | kartik, i also thought you could get them pretty much anywhere | 23:05 |
| lcuk | speak to nokia | 23:06 |
| kartik | I might will | 23:06 |
| lcuk | does that mean you wont? | 23:06 |
| kartik | No that means that i will | 23:07 |
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| * lcuk is confuddled, please ignore my whitterings tonight :P | 23:07 | |
| kartik | though i think that there wont be anyone in nokia that will even paid a heed to what i am saying | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | kartik: you'd be surprised how much nokia hears | 23:08 |
| lcuk | well they will hear you, whether you get the answer you expect is another matter | 23:08 |
| kartik | Stskeeps: I will be very surprised | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | kartik: try a post on iTT, write it nicely, write the case for india, and you would probably get a response.. | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | but do check if it's actually a market already | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | kartik: nokia people hang out in here, on iTT, etc, so | 23:10 |
| kartik | Stskeeps: Well there were many maemo stall with nokia 810 tablets in FOSS.in this year ( I was not there my self) | 23:11 |
| kartik | And nokia may not even release it in the main market because right now may be only developers will be interested | 23:12 |
| kartik | I will try on iTT | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | well you people have blackberries.. so why not tablets | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | though no iphones :P | 23:14 |
| kartik | Yup, plus it will be great fun to run python scripts while my teacher is boring with her lectures | 23:14 |
| kartik | ShadowJK: we have iphone here for some where arround $600+ officially | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | heh, i have python installed on my phone too | 23:14 |
| kartik | I want it too :( | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | karbas, yeah I know apple tried, but nobody wanted it? :P | 23:15 |
| kartik | Well for such a price no one will EVER want it | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | I think $600 is the "real" retail price of iphone everywhere | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | kartik: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=shop , contact some of the shops mentioned and hear? | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | But of course in many countries the iphone is forcefully bundled with a contract, so you pay it 3 years and people are too stupid to figure out how much it costs :P | 23:16 |
| glass_ | ShadowJK: but it's only 199$ (not..) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | mental note: do not try to use tweezers as stylus | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 23:17 |
| kartik | lcuk, get a beer | 23:17 |
| lcuk | a beer wont help, ill just have a wet n810 and still not do any pointing with it | 23:18 |
| kartik | that might put you to rest | 23:18 |
| lcuk | mind you, i could freeze the beer into an icycle | 23:18 |
| glass_ | lcuk: they sell/sold that in germany, i hear | 23:18 |
| glass_ | lcuk: beer icicles that had alco too | 23:18 |
| lcuk | beer lollies? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | ta for spelling :) it looked wrong but i couldnt suss it | 23:18 |
| glass_ | dunno if it's right :D | 23:19 |
| lcuk | yours looks righterer than mine :D | 23:19 |
| glass_ | i just remember the testicles reference from futurama | 23:19 |
| glass_ | test-sicles or something, name of some product | 23:19 |
| lcuk | WHOA! how did we get onto testicles? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | http://www.stefangeens.com/icycle.jpg | 23:20 |
| glass_ | from futurama reference, they were thinking of a name for popplers | 23:20 |
| glass_ | which remind me of poppers(a kind of sex enhancement drug you inhale) | 23:21 |
| glass_ | i should just shut up | 23:21 |
| lcuk | i just nearly dug a channel the size of the amazon across my lovely 810 | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: how's Mer so far then? | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, asleep | 23:23 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I'm not seeing the errors this time | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | still running | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: interesting | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm guessing PEBKAC | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess you're not talking about the fact you're not seeing any output, only in log fil ;) | 23:25 |
| r2d2rogers | lol | 23:25 |
| r2d2rogers | correct, two ssh sessions, one tailing the log | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk we call it error 40 .. problem exists about 40 cms from computer | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | from your computer maybe :P | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | and was used initially not to offend users when reporting back over the telephone | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:27 |
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| `0660 | :P | 23:28 |
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| r2d2rogers | like and id 10 t error? | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, yeah | 23:30 |
| r2d2rogers | hmm just lost the tail ssh session | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | remembered swap? :P | 23:30 |
| r2d2rogers | was building local for GB-uk | 23:31 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. that one is a bit rough | 23:31 |
| r2d2rogers | wouldn't have gotten that far ;) | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | also on n810s | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | i dunno why | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i suspect we'd have qemus doing it for us eventually :P | 23:32 |
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| r2d2rogers | trying to decide what to do now... | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | did it complete or? | 23:33 |
| r2d2rogers | mm | 23:33 |
| r2d2rogers | not sure | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N801 | Stskeeps, real English is more detailed :p | 23:34 |
| r2d2rogers | but the only reason I had the other was due to screen being in copy mode... | 23:34 |
| r2d2rogers | closing the terminal to look at the log | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | locale generation is one of the last things so | 23:35 |
| r2d2rogers | it DRT | 23:36 |
| r2d2rogers | died right there | 23:36 |
| r2d2rogers | en_GB.UTF-8... -:~/mer-imager# | 23:36 |
| r2d2rogers | no new line on that line | 23:36 |
| r2d2rogers | ifrom the log | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | sure it isn't running still? | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | upload platform file and target somewhere for me, and i'll build a tar.gz on a qemu :P | 23:37 |
| r2d2rogers | what would the process be names in top? | 23:38 |
| r2d2rogers | dpkg ? | 23:38 |
| r2d2rogers | s/names/named/ | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | in this case, localgen | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | in this case, localegen | 23:38 |
| r2d2rogers | l | 23:38 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 23:38 |
| r2d2rogers | not running | 23:39 |
| r2d2rogers | what does it need to do after the locale generation? | 23:39 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm thinking I can kick that part off again with apt | 23:39 |
| r2d2rogers | or dpkg | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 23:40 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | the stuff in nokia_n800_postinstall() in platforms/n800 | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | (nokia-n800) | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | then | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | unfake $TARGET/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | 115 unfake $TARGET/sbin/start-stop-daemon | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | and umounting /proc and /dev/pts inside it | 23:42 |
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| r2d2rogers | as I thought PEBKAC | 23:44 |
| r2d2rogers | I hadn't changed the variable names in those to match the nokia_770 platform file | 23:44 |
| r2d2rogers | that would cause issues yes? | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. maybe | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | in any case, upload them somewhere and i'll put them in imager | 23:44 |
| r2d2rogers | will do | 23:46 |
| r2d2rogers | I started with a git repo for changes | 23:46 |
| r2d2rogers | so that should be easy | 23:46 |
| r2d2rogers | might give it one more go | 23:46 |
| r2d2rogers | do you have an account on github ot gitorious? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | nop, we use bzr (right now, will switch to git) | 23:47 |
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| Stskeeps | lo yerga | 23:47 |
| * r2d2rogers needs to figure out launchpad stuff anyhow | 23:49 | |
| yerga_tablet | evening! | 23:49 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if there's buildd alternatives | 23:53 | |
| * lardman suggests bitbake ;) | 23:56 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:56 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: a small shell script and pbuilder is enough if you just have one build machine | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm, yeah, but in this case preferably more | 23:59 |
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